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00:32.58dig|work!points 2
00:33.00Xinhuan2 arena points require -54(5s), -53(3s) and -51(2s) team rating.
00:33.06dig|work!points 392
00:33.07Xinhuan392 arena points require 1542(5s), 1585(3s) and 1638(2s) team rating.
00:33.36Odlaware the <Include file=""/> case sensitive for directories?
00:33.53breserI'd assume that would depend upon the OS.
00:33.59Odlawthat's what i thought
00:34.05breserAnd filesystem.
00:34.28breserWindows and OS X are generally not case specific.  However, OS X can be configured to be case specific.  So I'd figure on using exact case.
00:34.48NechcknLua is very case specific, though...
00:34.56Nechcknwhere as the OS is not
00:35.07Nechcknwhen under Windows
00:35.17Odlawwell, the xml file, like an embeds.xmls
00:35.23Odlawerr embeds.xml
00:35.37Odlawi have it as libs\, but the folder is Libs\
00:36.13digmouseembeds.xml seems to be case sensitive
00:36.23Odlawhrm
00:36.30digmousebut testing it out could be pretty easy right?
00:36.38Odlawya, if i weren't in a raid atm :)
00:36.43Nechcknhehehehe that it should
00:37.05digmousewait a minute I'll do that for ya
00:37.36Odlawwell, just wondering if anyone might know the answer.. hehe.. don't have to go out of your way
00:38.03digmouseI just finished some text work and running in bored :D
00:40.58digmouseOdlaw: the answer is no
00:41.10digmouseembeds.xml is NOT case sensitive
00:41.45Odlawk
00:42.28Odlawi'll prolly change it in case someone has linux tho
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00:44.16Arrowmasterit is case sensitive
00:44.21Arrowmasterjust not on windows
00:44.25Odlawya
00:46.14CIA-4403morgalm * r77255 10MorgDKP/ (6 files):
00:46.14CIA-44MorgDKP:
00:46.15CIA-44- Optimized when certain functions are called to fix bug with ML loot being recorded
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02:09.24CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77256 10Baldrick/ (5 files):
02:09.24CIA-44Baldrick:
02:09.24CIA-44- Fixed LibStickyFrames support and the button not remembering position
02:09.24CIA-44- Button creation is now in code not XML
02:09.24CIA-44- Split out UI functions into a new file
02:09.58vithoshmm.. my combatlog has nothing in it. that's weird
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02:14.03Arrowmasternothing at all?
02:14.15vithosall the views are empty
02:14.20Arrowmasteroh
02:14.41Arrowmasteryou could try deleting the saved vars
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02:15.17vithosif i scroll up i get a scrolldown button (via chatter?) but it seems to be just one line, because i can scroll up 10 times and still just scroll down once and it goes away
02:15.34vithosguess i'll try that
02:16.25Seerahanyone have some insight into why I get an error of "attempt to call method 'SetMovable' (a nil value) " with this code? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89904
02:17.17vithosi'm also not showing up on omen
02:20.29vithoswell that pull there was a red <Unknown>
02:20.32vithosbut it wasn't my threat
02:20.42vithosbecause it was below someone else, and i was tanking
02:20.48vithosmight have been my pet
02:21.21vithosit was like 1000 tps while BW was up
02:22.07vithosand now i got a fatal exception :/
02:25.13dylanmSeerah: MovableFrames isn't constructed the way you think.
02:25.15Arrowmastervithos: relog completely, ive gotten that bug before
02:25.42vithosi crashed after relogging after i deleted blizzard sv's
02:25.43dylanmYour code is equivalent to { ["Minimap"] = true, ... }. You're just getting strings.
02:25.53vithosrunning repairtool now with low process priority while i play
02:26.11Arrowmasteri got that when i crashed and reloged
02:26.14dylanmIf you do { [Minimap] = true , ... } it'll work I think.
02:26.16Arrowmasterrelogging again fixed it
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02:26.31vithoswell my combatlog works now
02:26.33Arrowmasteryou shouldnt run repair tool while running wow
02:26.35vithosso hopefully i'm good now
02:26.53vithosi'm sure repairtool will error if it tries to write something as it can't get a lock
02:27.05vithosand i'll run it again with wow closed if so
02:27.29SeerahI'll try that, dylanm :)
02:28.08SeerahRicoMiniMap is set up as {f1 = Minimap, f2 = QuestWatchFrame, etc}
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02:31.36Seerahthat worked, dylanm, thank you :)
02:32.01Seerahthe quest tracker ended up in a different spot on reload, though...
02:33.52CIA-4403ananhaid * r77257 10LittleWigs/Auchindoun/Tavarok.lua:
02:33.52CIA-44LittleWigs:
02:33.52CIA-44- to utf8.(koKR pls reload)
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03:01.16vithossweet. just saw p2 m'uru for the first time
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03:18.19vithos13/13 blizzard repair says "Failed to download ." because it can't write, heh
03:18.45vithosbut if i remember right that would be the launcher which the repairtool usually downgrades to a previous version?
03:18.52vithos13.4 MB
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03:29.10ArrowmasterToEP droped from geddon lol
03:29.30Arrowmasteri wanted a 2nd one but ML wouldnt give it to me
03:38.37CIA-4403neotron * r77258 10MagicMarker_Data/data.lua: MagicMarker_Data: Updated with the database from The Magic Marker Database from http://www.stormwind.dk/
03:38.38NeoTronThere's now data (to some degree) for 44 instances in that addon (heroic / normal counts as two).
03:44.34NeoTronsigh. oRA doesn't set loot method anymore
03:44.37NeoTronrather it doesn't work
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03:48.59RaydenUniis there a list of fires one can desecreate?
03:49.30Arrowmasteryes
03:49.32Arrowmasterwowwiki
03:50.04Gnarfozhttp://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=28590#p256419
03:52.35SaranaAny problem if I submit an update to LibPeriodicTable-3.1 with usable quest items for the event, plus some rep value fixes?
03:54.36CIA-4403odlaw * r77259 10BangItHarder/embeds.xml: BangItHarder: embeds fix.
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03:56.42DARKGuyAnybody knows WTF is the yellow "Cooldowns" text in the middle of my screen >.<??
03:56.54DARKGuyAll I did was to install MSBT and CoolDownButtons :(
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03:59.09vithossure it isn't oRA2?
03:59.24vithosi use MSBT and CDB, but that sounds like oRA2, not either of those
03:59.51DARKGuyORA!
03:59.52DARKGuythat one
03:59.53DARKGuyI have it
04:00.01CIA-4403nayala * r77260 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/ (4 files in 4 dirs): LibPeriodicTable-3.1: Add 34862,34833 to Misc.Usable.Quest. Fix some rep values for Timbermaw Hold and Argent Dawn
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04:04.47DARKGuythanks vithos :P
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04:18.50RaydenUnitoo bad peeing on allied fires isn't a daily
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04:20.31phawxquestion!
04:21.06phawxis Buggrabber a good addon to have?
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04:22.26vithosyes
04:22.30vithosyou need bugsack to go with it
04:23.44Seerahwell, you don't need it, but it's nice
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04:35.38RaydenUniso nightbane
04:35.41RaydenUniglorious fight
04:35.55RaydenUnihe's almost dead and everyone has died except for the two tanks and me, feral druid
04:36.07RaydenUnii'm shredding him to pieces when all of a sudden i get hit by dragon's breath and die
04:36.21RaydenUnihow do i get breathed on by the dragon's butt?
04:39.16starlonI suspect failure.
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04:57.21Arrowmasterbest thing about nightbane, shadowsteping to him while hes in the air
04:58.09Aiianelol
04:58.18Aiianewhat happens?
04:58.23Aiianeyou fall?
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05:01.54digmousehe got stuck?
05:02.10digmouseor you got stuck?
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05:12.02phawxwhat's the command for craftlist2? i can't seem to pull it up. i've tried: /clist2 /craftlist2 /craftlist /cl2
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05:15.59Aiianeit's /clist2
05:16.07Aiianeif that doesnt work, the mod isnt enabled or isnt installed properly
05:16.29Aiiane<PROTECTED>
05:16.42Aiianeor /craftlist
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05:20.53digmousewhen will bliz kill automacro
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05:29.03starlonI haven't looked at the code. What is automacro doing?
05:30.46aestilRaydenUni: :D
05:30.59aestili suspect you pulled aggro :)
05:34.29Aiianestarlon: basically, conditional macros beyond what blizz intended for conditions
05:35.59digmouseya
05:36.10digmouseused a fake Secure Frame
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05:38.16digmousesuch as /if UnitHasDebuff("Shadow Vunerablity") /cast Affliction
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05:43.47CIA-44037destiny * r77261 10BigWigs/Sunwell/KilJaeden.lua:
05:43.47CIA-44BigWigs: Sunwell/KilJaeden:
05:43.47CIA-44- Fix bomb and flame timer
05:43.47CIA-44- Fix phase toggle
05:43.47CIA-44- Add sound to phase warning
05:43.49CIA-44- Add Dragon Orb timer
05:43.51CIA-44- koKR Update
05:47.31Gary13579A poor example, but that's basically what it does :P
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05:58.00digmouse:D just a silly example
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06:05.54phawxwhen i do a /ace2 list ace2 it says Craftlist2 (standby) - 2.0 r76214
06:06.05phawxand i deleted it, and reisntalled it, but still can't activate. any ideas/
06:06.10phawxand /clist2 isnt working
06:06.40CIA-4403cluelessnoob * r77262 10KillingBlow/libs/ (19 files in 7 dirs):
06:06.40CIA-44KillingBlow
06:06.40CIA-44- Adding lib directories.
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06:33.26CIA-44037destiny * r77263 10LittleWigs/Auchindoun/Tavarok.lua:
06:33.26CIA-44LittleWigs:
06:33.26CIA-44- koKR Update
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06:40.43CIA-4403pettigrow * r77264 10BigWigs/Sunwell/ (Kalecgos.lua KilJaeden.lua): BigWigs: Sunwell: frFR Update
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06:46.40piotrbis there an easy way to dump out a table without necesarily knowing the keys?
06:47.01piotrbie .. is there some nice debug lib to faciliate that?
06:47.53vhaarrAceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0"):PrintLiteral(table)
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06:52.32piotrbooh nice .. ty
06:56.02CIA-4403pettigrow * r77265 10LittleWigs/ (6 files in 3 dirs): LittleWigs: frFR Update
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07:10.01CIA-4403wang * r77266 10Altoholic/localization_zhCN.lua:
07:10.02CIA-44Altoholic:
07:10.02CIA-44- zhCN update
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07:12.12LukianBartender4-4.0\Button.lua:19: Cannot find a library instance of "LibKeyBound-1.0".
07:12.13Lukianack
07:12.18Lukianslaps nevcairiel :D
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07:22.20CIA-4403ananhaid * r77267 10BigWigs/Sunwell/KilJaeden.lua:
07:22.20CIA-44BigWigs:
07:22.20CIA-44- KilJaeden zhCN update.
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07:23.41[Ammo]Lukian: not nevcairiels fault you're too dumb to install libs manually when running without externals :p
07:24.26theoddone33!rating 2000
07:24.36theoddone33does that not work?
07:24.37theoddone33:(
07:25.54digmousexinhuan is out
07:26.08digmouseI mean the bot is not online
07:26.33vithosrofl what the fuck
07:26.44vithosthis rogue got locked out on zul'jin
07:26.49vithosso i go over the barrier to laugh at him
07:26.55vithosand it lets me run through it one way
07:27.43vithosso then i'm locked out, and they call a wipe, but nobody else could run through it like i did
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07:28.26profalbertvithos: you cheat, obviously :P
07:28.36vithoshow does blizzard manage to make bugs like that, i'm baffled
07:29.02vithosi used to be able to run through the fire at brutallus too
07:29.05vithosbut both ways
07:30.18profalbertwell, Summoning is still disabled in ZA, right?
07:30.42Zyndromeyah
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07:31.18Zyndromehad people getting locked out thanks to the damn tornados :p
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07:34.09digmouseDont be surprised if Windows runs without any bug
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07:36.32vithosi don't expect no bugs
07:36.41vithosit's just they seem to have the craziest bugs
07:37.03vithoslike on the PTR, when they managed to invert scaling on minipets
07:37.20vithosor swapping items in bags affecting your stats
07:37.29profalbertwell normal bugs are easy to detect early
07:44.12Gary13579vithos: seed of corruption anyone?
07:45.15vithosi'm a hunter
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08:10.42NeoTronSo we one shotted Illidan today
08:10.47NeoTronwith a new MT ...
08:10.56NeoTronwho's a paladin normally one of our healers
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08:18.29KalrothTanking Illidan is usually not the problem
08:18.34Kalrothit's the flames that suck :P
08:20.03nevcairielwe had a silly flame enrage yesterday
08:20.08nevcairielno idea why :P
08:20.19nevcairieleverything looked fine
08:20.37profalberthappens once in a while to us
08:20.52ktwotbh blizzard's desing on that phase is rather crappy, too much flames/not clear borders where you begin to get damage
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08:21.43profalbertwhat hardware do you need to render those flames with >25fps (full details, AA on, ...)
08:22.10nevcairieli never noticed fps issues in that phase
08:22.20nevcairielonly thing i get lag is when he casts flame burst
08:22.23nevcairieland dont ask me why
08:22.29ktwowhat gpu?
08:22.45nevcairielnv 8800 gts
08:22.45profalbertmine goes down to 16-18fps with 7950GT
08:22.46ktwowell starting with 7600GT it should not be any issue, but any lower could be hard with AA/AF
08:23.05nevcairielwow is also very cpu dependant
08:23.11ktwoalways remember to play fullscreen as this will skyrocket your fps
08:23.16DARKGuynevcairiel: what cpu? :P
08:23.19ktwonot windowed-maximized
08:23.38evlso
08:23.38nevcairielc2d 6750
08:23.43evlbets on new blizzard game+ :P
08:23.43DARKGuy:o
08:23.46evlnew splash up on blizzard.com
08:23.50nevcairieldiablo!
08:23.52DARKGuyWorld of Starcraft!
08:23.58evlWorld of Britney Spears
08:24.09DARKGuyHello Kitty Island Adventure
08:24.14DiskmasterWorld of NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED
08:24.18DARKGuylmao
08:24.34profalbertktwo: right... completely forgot that
08:24.40profalbertbut I hate tabbing w/o window-mode
08:24.51nevcairieli hate it too
08:24.55nevcairielbut the fps is worth it
08:25.09ktwoi hate that too, cause i use 2 screens and the mouse will not pass over in FS
08:25.48profalbertBut on my mob X800 the fps with and without windowed are nearly the same
08:25.57TNSehuh
08:26.02ktwowell with some tweaking of windows gui it can run smooth in windowed too, but you will have to reduce details dramatically (like disabling aero and so on)
08:26.14TNSeon my geforce I get same fps fullscreen windowed/fullscreen
08:26.27profalbertTNSe: using XP?
08:26.30TNSeyes
08:26.35DARKGuyktwo: disabling Aero has no performance increase/decrease as far as I've researched, my FPS stay the same since Aero disables itself when you play :P
08:26.45ktwonot with WoW
08:26.48DARKGuy(I used Blizz's FPS counter and StatBlocks to check :P)
08:26.52DARKGuyAh
08:27.01nevcairielits extreme with vista, but you can also see it in XP
08:27.03profalbertAero doesn't disable in window-mode
08:27.05DARKGuyyeah with other games it kinda sucks, Aero eats like 30+ Mb RAM in my system T_T
08:27.17ktwojust try to flip-view :P youll see aero will stay enabled
08:27.22DARKGuyyup
08:27.43DARKGuyevl: that splash is the frozen throne :P
08:27.52ktwobut anyway windowed-mode in wow will always be slower , maybe you just have a really fast GPU @ TNSe
08:28.06TNSedont think so
08:28.08profalbertsome ppl (all using ATI-cards) reported performance-increases with windowed-maximized
08:28.19nevcairielATI is weird anyway
08:28.24ktwoand another one: Some GPU/Cards/Driver will stay on 2D-Clock sometimes when using windowsed-maximized
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08:28.29nevcairielnvidia should go fullscreen, especially on vista
08:28.30ktwothen you might set the clock manually
08:29.19TNSeit might be slower, but I usually play 2x window maximized wow on an athlon 64 x2 dual 2.41ghz with nvidia 8600GT
08:29.39profalbertktwo: hmm... on my old 5900XT it was 300/700 in 2D and 390/700 in 3D-mode iirc
08:30.07profalbertdon't know if they differ more in newer cards though
08:30.17ktwowell 5900XT is slow anyway xD dont think you were able to AA/AF WoW^^
08:30.31profalbertktwo: no way
08:30.40ktwoyes, my ATi 3600HD is like 300 2D and 500 3D ~
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08:30.46TNSeprofalbert, the biggest reason for slowdowns on my system is 2gb ram only
08:30.56DARKGuytalking about GPUs, what's the max performance I can get with a factory-default XFX 8600GT 512Mb in WoW? considering AA/AF...
08:31.10DARKGuyand P4 3.2Ghz :P
08:31.16profalbertTNSe: upgrading from 1->2GB was a great increase, does another 4GB still bring that much?
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08:31.34profalbertäh 2GB
08:31.35ktwoif you upgrade from 2 to 4 check first if you can use them
08:32.07profalbertktwo: the board can, vista32 can't
08:32.14ktwoor you will be disappointed when you read 3.2GB due to 32-bit OS and Mobo without PAE
08:32.18ktwoyup.
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08:32.28nevcairieljust get vista64
08:32.43ktwowell Vista-32 can with some tricks but well its not stable, better just getting V64
08:32.51profalbertVista Business Edition = 10€ for me
08:33.02nevcairielvista business = 0€ for me
08:33.07nevcairielin 32 or 64
08:33.14nevcairiel:)
08:33.16ktwo^^ msdn/aa? x)
08:33.19nevcairielyea
08:33.23profalbert:P
08:33.43ktwoyou could also use Server08 xD
08:33.52profalbertnevcairiel: is it completely legal to use it for personal purposes too?
08:33.59ktwoyes^^
08:33.59nevcairielsure
08:34.06nevcairielyou can use it for anything, except commercial
08:34.15nevcairielyou can even continue to use it if you finish studying
08:34.46nevcairielI hope they release windows7 before i finish, so i can grab a license for later =P
08:35.13profalbertso how does your vista work than... I have to activate mine every 6 month with a Server in the University
08:35.33nevcairielo.O
08:35.40nevcairielI just got a license key
08:35.55nevcairieldid a one-time activation with microsoft
08:35.59nevcairiellike every other license key
08:36.04profalbertmhm
08:36.08TNSeprofalbert, I have no idea if it adds anything, but when running 2x wow I'd guess it would add as much as 1->2 for 1 wow
08:36.13ktwoits a standard retail license
08:36.29ktwojust activate with one PC and you will be able to reactivate the same PC every time
08:36.43nevcairielor you call them and say you exchanged some hardware =P
08:36.48ktwoye :)
08:37.10ktwothey asked "how many PCs are you running with that licence"
08:37.23nevcairielover ten billion!
08:37.24nevcairielwait no
08:37.25nevcairiel1
08:37.26nevcairiel:)
08:37.28ktwoi doubt someone will say " erm... 3"
08:37.56elite3vilEh, some people would.
08:38.05breser"Umm this is the People's Republic of China, we have several million PCs.  That ok?"
08:38.39ktwoi just read.. Diablo release June 29 2000, LoD june 29 2001.... hm
08:38.48nevcairiellol
08:38.48ktwoanother 7 days to go^^
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08:39.06nevcairielDiablo3 announced june 29 2008, released june 29 2009
08:39.12Arrowmasterlol
08:39.13Arrowmasternever
08:39.17Kuosijoke?
08:39.32nevcairielwell they definately plan something
08:39.40nevcairieland the WWI is coming up
08:39.43Kuosiwonder who's making it then
08:39.44nevcairielso who knows
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08:40.02Kuosias pretty much every guy who worked on d2 left blizz
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08:40.25nevcairielnot like any blizz game ever was a failure
08:40.30elite3vilon an unrelated note: Wooo, leveling.
08:40.31Gary13579(03:38:33) (ktwo) i just read.. Diablo release June 29 2000, LoD june 29 2001.... hm
08:40.31Kuosiyup
08:40.34ArrowmasterDiablo3 announced june 29 2008, released "Soon™"
08:40.36Gary13579You read that in mmo-champ :p ?
08:40.43ktwoyup :P
08:40.50ktwoif its not fake
08:40.53ktwodont know actuallly
08:40.57fridgidgoerge carlin died : / http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25322638
08:41.01Gary13579I said it there, ktwo
08:41.03Arrowmasterold news
08:41.05Gary13579and it's not fake, check wikipedia
08:41.28ktwobut well.. i doubt that theyll bring D3
08:41.39breserBecuase Wikipedia is never wrong. lol
08:41.45ktwowould have a too big impact on wotlk
08:41.59nevcairielD3 wouldnt be released long after wotlk
08:42.26Kuosiif it rly hits next june, then no
08:42.58nevcairielwotlk will most likely do christmas business this year, at least thats what we all hope .)
08:43.00Kuosii wouldnt mind d3 tho
08:43.06ktwotbh IF D3 will be released when WoW is still being developed and continued, i think that either wow will die or D3 will flop
08:43.31nevcairielwell depends how they design d3
08:43.36nevcairielwill it be mmo-ish?
08:43.39nevcairielor like d2
08:43.42Arrowmasterthey let you play d3 from inside wow!
08:43.49Arrowmaster...
08:43.52Arrowmasterprofit!
08:44.02ktwolol like maniac mansion in day of the tentacle
08:44.43Kuosi2days to s4 anyways!
08:44.44breser"Sorry guys didn't mean to blow up the raid, but was playing D3 and didn't see you pull."
08:44.56Kuosiwonder how much they manage to mess up now
08:45.11Kuosithey taking it safe with the tittle etc rewards atleast
08:46.17ktwoits messed up already, think i cant win an arena games for weeks with my alts cause of the full s3 teams on 1500
08:46.37Tehpugercause its end of the season
08:46.44Tehpugermid season its not too bad
08:46.55Arrowmasterthe entire arena system is broken
08:46.56Tehpugercause people want to keep their high teams and usually dont remake
08:47.05Kuosis3 lasted too long anyway and ppl got bored + kept spamming new teams
08:47.06Tehpugerkinda
08:47.10Tehpugeryeah
08:47.27Kuosii made a new 2v2 team this week to get my friend mount
08:47.51Kuosibut well cant say i stomped noobs while at it, maybe met 3 teams w/o full s3 on the way to 2326 or so
08:47.54Arrowmasteri thought you had to play the entire season for the mount
08:48.04Kuosinop
08:48.07Tehpugernope
08:48.13Tehpugerjust 20% of games played on the team
08:49.03breserAnd not have a PR more than 150 below the TR.
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08:57.55AneaDoes AceDB-3.0 import data from AceDB-2.0 when I port a mod to Ace3?
08:58.13Arrowmasterno
08:58.27Aneableh
08:58.48[Ammo]you can easily write a onetime conversion
08:59.34Aneayep, will do that
09:01.42Zyndromejust had this awesome idea ... having knowledge on how to do maps for games, especially Half-Life... I should make a TF2-map, which is round area with a pillar in the center, and on the serverside force it to only Medic and Heavy classes ... "tf2_worldofwarcraft_PVP" is born
09:04.59piotrbwhat is the recommended way to make new fubar plugins nowadays? -2.0? -3.0? -2.0 and somehow mixing in ace3 stuff?
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09:09.05Arrowmasterwhat are you doing it for?
09:09.13piotrbwhat do you mean?
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09:09.20Arrowmasterthe addon
09:09.44Arrowmasterand you cant mix 2.0 and ace3 stuff
09:10.13piotrbits a brand new addon .. I made some -2.0 before .. I started poking around with rock/-3.0 code ..
09:11.13piotrbbut arc3 seems to be the big thing nowadays along with bliz config ui's
09:11.13piotrber .. ace3
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09:11.20Arrowmasterif your not making an addon designed for fubar then dont add a damn fubar plugin to it, it annoys more people than its worth
09:11.56piotrbit is designed for fubar .. I'm a fubar junkie .. so its core ui is the fubar item and its tooltip
09:12.01Zarnivooppiotrb: there is a modified fubarplugin that doesn't require rock or ace2 in branches. seems to work well.
09:13.01Arrowmasteryeah i wrote that
09:13.39piotrbjust wondering if I *should* be sticking with what works (ie -2.0) .. or learn something new in the process =)
09:14.01Arrowmasterwell if you arent using Ace2 then you cant really use FBP-2.0
09:14.28piotrbI'm not really ties to an ace version .. the plugin is prety simple .. not gonna need any of the fancy stuff
09:14.30nevcairieldid you merge the new 3.0 to trunk yet ? =P
09:14.33piotrbtied*
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09:14.37Arrowmasterno i didnt
09:14.47Arrowmasterits not really complete
09:15.15piotrbis there an easy way right now to use the bliz addon config pane?
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09:37.17TNSeomfg
09:37.42TNSea lvl 29 retardin tries to attack my lvl 35 prot warrior
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09:37.54TNSeI blocked his 2 handed hits.
09:38.07nevcairiellol
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09:38.42TNSehe healed, bubbled, lay on hands
09:38.45TNSeI was on 50% when he died >_<
09:38.59TNSeabout 40% of the hp I lost was during the 6s stun
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10:27.58thulare there any nice ui/addon-packs these days, or am I better off just building stuff myself?
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10:38.46Kuosipretty much always better to build yourself
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10:39.49thulI guess, btw: why are arokkoa feathers so valuble these days, what rep can it get you?
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10:42.14EireoceanLower City
10:42.20thulah, ok
10:45.43winkillerup to Honored
10:45.50winkilleror up to Friendly?
10:45.57winkillernot so much, but you also get a nice bag of stuff in exchange
10:47.29EireoceanCap at Honored ... but yeah, 30 feathers gives a bag which can give scrolls, potions or greens / blues
10:48.14thulwell, they go for 2g pr feather at my server
10:48.20thuland I had like 100 feathers lying in the bank
10:48.21thulgood for me
10:48.21thul:-P
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11:23.14Lukianhttp://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=28590#p256419
11:23.19LukianAnyone want to make an optimised route?
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11:23.25LukianThat's like 2.2k gold for my 70s XD
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11:27.03winkillerI got all 4 flames yesterday
11:27.14thul560g?!
11:27.17winkilleran ally shaman corpsecamped me in IF for 30mins. at 3:30 am
11:27.20thulthat is insane:P
11:27.22winkillerthere are weird people...
11:27.27thulhow long does it take to do it all?
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11:28.03winkillerLukian: "roughly optimised" is well enough. start in Booty and work your way north
11:28.19Roblibobexactly ;)
11:28.27Lukianthul, that's what I'd like to know
11:28.32winkilleror start in Ashenvale and make your way to Winterspring, then fly to Org and go on
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11:30.02Roblibobomg horde gets 12g more! nerf!
11:30.09Roblibob;)
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11:33.29Nechcknwhy do Horde get more?
11:33.39Nechcknwhich alliance settlement is extra?
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11:45.49CIA-44Quiet_Npc:
11:45.50CIA-44- Npc's addet
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12:08.30CIA-4403hegarol * r77274 10AtlasLoot/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
12:08.30CIA-44AtlasLoot:
12:08.30CIA-44- old lvl 70 weapons removed
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12:08.55CIA-44- second part of Arena season 4 prep
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12:22.35Pkekyo|SOMEONE FIX WOW GODDAMNIT
12:22.46memeyou?
12:22.51cncfanaticswhats wrong with it Pkekyo| ?
12:22.54cncfanaticsnot enough exp/hr ? :p
12:22.58Pkekyo|it won't let me get ingame
12:23.01Pkekyo|yeah, that too cncfanatics
12:23.02Arrowmasterman i really have a problem..... im downloading and watching another anime that im too embarased to name instead of going to bed
12:23.11Arrowmasterbecause im easyly distracted by cute things
12:23.27memeyousailor moon?
12:23.27cncfanaticsname it already !
12:23.28Pkekyo|stop sticking your penor into japanese comicbooks
12:23.34CIA-4403Devfool * r77276 10FuBar_AnkhTimerFu/AnkhTimerFu.lua: FuBar_AnkhTimerFu:frFR update
12:24.02Pkekyo|cncfanatics: whenever I rezone or attempt to log in the loadingbar completes...and nothing happens
12:24.13cncfanaticscool
12:24.19Pkekyo|no, fix it :<
12:24.19cncfanaticsyour addons fail Pkekyo|
12:24.35Pkekyo|no
12:24.35Arrowmastermemeyou: no its fairly recent as in starting airing in the fall and is still going
12:24.40Pkekyo|disabled all addons, same problem
12:24.54cncfanaticsyou know what the GM's will tell you
12:25.02cncfanaticsit works for millions of people but not you, it has to be you :p
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12:25.14cncfanaticsbtw, anyone can suggest me a nice exp bar addon ?
12:25.17Pkekyo|well fuck'em, now fix my game :p
12:25.26Pkekyo|cncfanatics: FuBar_FuXPFu
12:26.03memeyoudamn, there's a lot of FU in that addon's name XD
12:26.13Pkekyo|<PROTECTED>
12:26.47cncfanaticsain't that a fubar plugin ?
12:26.50cncfanaticsor is it also a bar ? :p
12:28.30Pkekyo|it's a fubar plugin that puts a bar on your fubar
12:28.36Pkekyo|:p
12:28.44Pkekyo|NOW FIX MY GAME DAMNIT
12:29.24memeyouwhat happens if u start clean?
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12:44.05ktwoshadowpriest /rogue    vs  warr/pala what would you recommend ? focus pally or warr?
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12:51.18cncfanaticspally
12:51.26cncfanaticsktwo: pally's don't heal as well when they're focussed
12:51.29cncfanaticsgo for the pally,
12:51.37cncfanaticsgoing for the warr will just give him more rage to play with
12:53.20ktwowe tried he just bubble
12:53.25ktwoand warrior will counter mass
12:53.39ktwoand in the meantime im dead with about 500 resilence
12:54.28cncfanaticswell, if you focus the warrior the pally will just heal him and bubble him too :p
12:54.32cncfanaticsand he'll hit harder
12:54.55cncfanaticsas a rogue you should be able to lock the pally pretty easy
12:54.57ktwomhh k
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12:55.06cncfanaticsyou could also split it
12:55.10cncfanaticsspriest on warr, rogue on pally
12:56.13ktwohm sounds good
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13:04.30cncfanaticsrogue should be able to prevent the pally from healing the warr too much
13:04.35cncfanaticsand spriest should melt the warr
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13:12.03CIA-4403parnic * r77277 10IceHUD/IceHUD.toc:
13:12.03CIA-44IceHUD:
13:12.03CIA-44ICE-10 - modified X-Embeds directive for WAU to pull the proper embedded libs
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13:14.58LukianParnic, could you fix a small issue?
13:15.30LukianLacerate uses the combo point counter in icehud, and it interferes with boss fights where there's bear and cat forms
13:15.42LukianI'm not sure who commited this change, but it's damn annoying
13:17.03Lukianoh it was you
13:17.30charonthey're two different counters, and the lacerate thing can be disabled in the options
13:17.51charon(i have no idea why anyone would want to count lacerates)
13:18.06Lukiani'd rather count the lacerate cooldown if anything..
13:18.24Lukianbut prioritise buffs and the cooldown effect handles that decently :p
13:18.24charonyou mean the mangle cd :)
13:18.39Lukianmsbt bitches that at me now :D
13:18.44LukianMANGLE READY NOW :D
13:19.05Lukianwhere's the option for lacerate counter?
13:19.14Lukianah found it
13:19.23Lukianand disabled
13:19.30charonat the risk of stating the obvious: in the options.
13:19.50Lukianyeah I expected to find it in combo points, rather than it's own category :D
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13:22.43Lukianstupid point, shouldn't the lacerate counter be offset from the combo point counter..
13:22.47Lukianrather than right on top of it?
13:22.50Lukian(by default)
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13:31.34CIA-44Poppins:
13:31.34CIA-44- PopButtons do not pop if only 1 and Button locked
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13:56.18CIA-44EnhancedStackSplit:
13:56.18CIA-44- added Auto Split mode
13:56.18CIA-44<PROTECTED>
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14:41.38thulwhen does season 4 come?
14:42.03nevcairieltomorrow
14:44.38kalahassior the day after tomorrow  if your european
14:45.40thulah, ok, and then i can get s2 stuff for honor? :-P
14:46.44winkillermaybe
14:47.07sacarascpfft, s4... i already have s5 gear
14:47.24sacarascso, S4 gonna be the last TBC season, do you think?
14:48.23kalahassii think yes
14:48.56thulhmm, maybe I should try to get an arena team together
14:49.01thulproblem is, not like there is a lack of rogues :-P
14:49.10thulbut now I have hardware for pvp atleast :-D
14:49.15kalahassiif i copied my char to the testrealm and the charactercopypage says "success" and the char doesnt show up in the charselection screen, who shall i complain to?
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14:58.16p3limHow was the command to make a .txt file of the index of a folder? (People use it to list addons etc)
14:58.24p3limCMD command
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15:01.30Stanzillap3lim: dir /b "path" > "pathtoTXT"
15:01.59p3limthanks
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15:04.34Silver_Anyone care to help me with bartender? After replacing my ~1.5year old wowaceupdater with a modern one and running an update it went haywire and completely stopped responding to ctrl- and shift- bindings. Unbinding and rebinding buttons doesn't work, deleting saved variables and rebinding doesn't work, reinstalled addon multiple times etc.
15:05.05Silver_The buttons can still be clicked, just won't respond to the binding.
15:05.17dylanmHow are you binding them
15:05.33Silver_through keybindings to the corresponding bartender bar
15:05.38Matrix110|and which Bartender?
15:05.39Matrix110|3 or 4?
15:05.42Silver_3
15:06.38Silver_Wasn't aware of the 4 till recently but figured I just wanted things kept running.
15:06.54Matrix110|well you can try the usual stuff
15:07.05Matrix110|1. Delete Bartender 3 and "reinstall" it
15:07.09Matrix110|if it still doesnt work
15:07.34Silver_did that, both reinstall through wowaceupdater, plus manual delete and new install :9
15:07.48Matrix110|2. Goto WTF/Account/<Accoiungname>/Saved Variables/
15:07.56Matrix110|and delete Bartender3.lua
15:08.05Matrix110|or just search in the WTF folder after Bartender3.lua
15:08.08Matrix110|and delte them all
15:08.11Matrix110|including the .lual.bak
15:08.19Matrix110|but
15:08.20Matrix110|tbh
15:08.28Matrix110|you can just install Bartender4 then:P
15:08.36Matrix110|gotta redo all settings
15:08.46Matrix110|so why not directly use the new one :D
15:08.50Silver_tried already, deleted both the .lua, the .lua.bak, plus the bindings file, then tried to bind again ingame, still didn't work :p
15:08.52Matrix110|(but it misses some features the old one had)
15:09.04Matrix110|Did you shut down the game before you deleted the files?
15:09.09Silver_ofc
15:09.16Matrix110|hmmm
15:09.25Matrix110|did you try loading it from files.wowace.com ?
15:09.40Silver_manual download?
15:09.41dylanmOne argument in favor of BT4 is that nevcairiel probably won't fix things in BT3 if they break.
15:09.43Matrix110|yes
15:09.53Matrix110|that aswell dylanm
15:09.55Silver_yeah, did that after wowaceupdater reinstall had no effect
15:09.56dylanmSilver_: If I recall correctly the bindings for BT3 are done in the Main Menu -> Key Bindings window, right?
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15:10.02Matrix110|yes dylanm
15:10.04Silver_they are, indeed
15:10.05dylanmYou go there and set things and nothing happens?
15:10.12Silver_just so
15:10.26dylanmI mean that window must respond. Does the binding text never come up on the bars as you expect?
15:10.36FrostByghteis this for real? http://techfaux.com/2008/06/17/peta-targets-computer-programmers-with-string-of-bizarre-protests/
15:10.38Silver_the binding text comes up on the bars, that's what bugs me most
15:10.45FrostByghtehas to be a joke right?
15:11.11dylanmFrostByghte: The site has "faux" in the name.
15:11.39FrostByghteya but one guy was saying it was legit...so I figure here in the heart of program central someone would know for sure :)
15:11.50FrostByghteseemed very made up
15:11.53FrostByghtefunny though
15:11.56Silver_anyway, I guess you're right, I'll try bartender4 :> can't get any worse
15:12.47ktwodoes bt4 autoalign finally now?
15:12.48dylanmSilver_: That is very odd. I wish I knew a solution but I'm a Bongos (well, Dominos now) guy.
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15:13.53FrostByghteI'm still using Bongos2
15:14.03Silver_if bt4 doesn't work I'll probably just try something else, less differenc in bar addons compared to unitframe ones at least, and it beats doing kil'j without keybindings :D
15:14.08FrostByghteseems to work fine, and reconfiging everythign to bongos3 sounds like a pita
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15:15.51Silver_a bit strange that I got all these problems when switching wowaceupdater, though
15:16.12Silver_bartender was far from the only one hit, but I solved most of the other problems through delete and fresh install
15:17.24dylanmWhen you press the binding... nothing happens?
15:17.52Silver_nothing at all
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15:19.04Silver_hmm, now I already installed bt4, should have tried binding something on the affected bars to just "1" or something
15:19.19dylanmEMBRACE THE FUTURE
15:19.45charonwonders if the pythonic equivalent would be INDENT THE FUTURE
15:21.07Silver_however much philosophy you pour into redefining that statement you cannot escape INDEBT THE FUTURE, anyway, for in the end, only the tax collectors will remain
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16:14.38Pkekyo|shrugs
16:15.24Pkekyo|some bar has had to hire a local biker gang to work security for them 'cause the cops doesn't have any officers available
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16:16.07Pkekyo|something's wrong when you've got to call Hell's Angels or their peers to get help and the cops won't give any :p
16:16.32ZiconThis amuses me more than it probably should.
16:16.49Pkekyo|:p
16:16.56Pkekyo|it's fuckedup
16:17.36Pkekyo|one of the richest countries in the world [per capita] and can't afford to have five police officers on duty
16:18.40Pkekyo|gotta love politics :)
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16:23.23cncfanaticsgot to love bullshit :p
16:32.22Pkekyo|cncfanatics: I thought that's what I said? :p
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16:36.20Pkekyo|now where the hell is toadkiller?!
16:36.22Pkekyo|~seen toadkiller
16:36.25purltoadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-75-18-176-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 5d 21h 45m 51s ago, saying: 'Or is it a mirage and they should actually be my two posts and not some noob's posts?'.
16:38.45Pkekyo|what's this 'Current addon snapshot saved to C:\World of Warcraft\WauBackups\' stuff?
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16:42.17Pkekyo|err...should all my libraries be enabled in my addons list?
16:45.37ZealotOnAStickpresuming they're handled properly to all be LOD, sure.
16:46.38Pkekyo|I've got no idea...just trying to find out why all my addons are going haywire
16:47.36Pkekyo|yay, I enabled a fuckload of random libs and now autobar works again :p
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16:50.16Pkekyo|where's the midsummer festival vendor?
16:50.40selckinany major capital
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16:59.24CIA-4403piranther * r77286 10PiraPlex/deps.lua: PiraPlex :- update list of recognized libs/deps
16:59.54ktwowhat does blizz think about when designing eventbosses?! ahune on heroic is pure pwnage
17:00.19[Ammo]oh noes! a challenge!
17:00.26OlisonHaha :-D
17:01.07ktwoyou cant go in with blue-geared
17:01.16CIA-4403piranther * r77287 10PiraPlex/changelog.txt: PiraPlex :- update changelog
17:01.17ktwoalt-chars.. and the loot is below karazhan
17:01.18ktwowtf?
17:01.56ckknightanyone have thoughts on http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/302-bounty-program/ ?
17:02.36syerenAll I can read is "Make Parrot 2.0".
17:02.51ckknightsyeren: that'd be legitimate, really.
17:03.10CIA-4403funkydude * r77288 10BadBoy/BadBoy.lua: BadBoy: minor tweak
17:03.49ckknightsyeren: granted, this would more specifically be for projects that already exist rather than to make completely new projects
17:04.08syeren:p
17:04.18Pkekyo|what's the best way to farm Burning Blossoms?
17:04.21syerenWhy did Curse bother spending money on developing a non-profit site by the way ckknight?
17:04.47syerenI really can't see how it benefits them, unless they think more addons will be released on the main curse site and therefore more visits :p
17:04.48ckknightsyeren: to separate out the dev from the userbase
17:04.53ckknightand provide features to the devs
17:05.03ckknightto entice them to use curse and post on curse
17:05.12syerenSo yes, my theory!
17:05.17ckknightyea, basically.
17:05.51profalbertckknight: I don't think many people would actually pay money for getting a mod fixed
17:05.59ckknightprofalbert: I agree, but some might
17:06.38nevcairielPkekyo|: you can get over 600 from collecting all the fires around the world
17:06.48profalbertckknight: It's a nice experiment though, i think
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17:07.34CIA-4403ammo * r77289 10TinyStats/TinyStats.lua: TinyStats: put xp and rested xp on a new line
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17:10.16syerenI would :p
17:10.18syerenAnd I have :p
17:10.35syerenI remember donating $20 to ckknight to fix Auras in Pitbull.
17:10.39syerenHe didn't though.
17:10.41syerenFor 7 months!
17:10.47ckknightsyeren: but it got done, no?
17:10.52syeren7 MONTHS!
17:10.56Pkekyo|nevcairiel: where are they? :p
17:11.06ckknightwhen did they get fixed?
17:12.13syerenLike earlier this year.
17:12.13syerenAnd I donated last year I think :p
17:12.13nevcairielMaybe i should care less about my addons
17:12.13syerenYou made Cowtip and stuff :p
17:12.13nevcairielmaybe people would pay me to care then
17:12.21nevcairielthe system is flawed, you get money for not caring? <.<
17:12.34ckknightnevcairiel: I care
17:12.36ckknightin here.
17:12.39ckknightpoints to chest
17:12.59nevcairielsomewhat higher your brain tells your chest to ignore? :P
17:13.14ckknightshrugs
17:13.45Fisker-slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout
17:14.19ckknightgrabs Fisker- by his throat and shoves him to the ground
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17:14.39Fisker-you wound me
17:14.52ckknightFisker-: just trying to teach you discipline
17:14.59Fisker-Diablo 3 announced soon
17:15.05ckknightdoubt it
17:15.06Fisker-i has discipline :(
17:15.14Fisker-http://www.blizzard.com/ <-has splash screen
17:15.28nevcairielhas had splash screen yesterday already
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17:15.44Fisker-may be
17:15.55nevcairielits apparently supposed to be ice
17:15.59nevcairielice could also mean wotlk
17:16.04nevcairieland nothing new
17:16.13Fisker-Or your mother
17:16.50dylanm"We've been making these sculptures out of your money."
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17:18.52XelopherisDoes anyone know of a good totem timer addon that shows pulses and uses bars instead of text?
17:21.33Apocohow can I setup my externals to include LibStub as a library if its embeded but not if its not embeded?
17:21.39philosoundand the bars themselfes shall pulse?
17:22.13XelopherisNo philo...
17:22.56philosoundextra pulse bars? i´m just wondering
17:23.10XelopherisSort of like [Icon]===bar====
17:23.20XelopherisI think I saw it in vodka's first twin kill video
17:23.24Xelopherisnot 100% sure
17:23.28profalbertApoco: leave it out of the optdeps i guess
17:24.02ApocoWAU adds externals by optdept?
17:24.19profalbertthe zip-script does
17:24.35Apocoah I thought it based it off of the externals set via svn
17:25.13Apocothanks
17:25.23NeoTronmorning
17:25.46philosoundwell, for bars there´s always gotwood, apocos rbm shows them too methinks
17:26.00NeoTronthink I shall add solo mode to Magic Targets (rather, hunter/lock mode) that indicates whether the pet (if it's a tank pet) has aggro or not
17:26.00philosoundi dunno about pulse integration though
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17:31.17NeoTronis still shocked at one-shotting Illidan with a new main tank.
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17:31.36NeoTronnew as in he's normally healing and just respecced for the night due to tank shortage (and is thus a paladin)
17:37.39Xelopheriswow RBM totemwatch is excellent
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18:02.24Daemonaoh man, you wanna know what happens if you wait for the raid to start and too many ppl got torches?
18:02.25Daemonahttp://i28.tinypic.com/1hbe2r.jpg
18:03.11NeoTronwe had people playing before illidari council
18:03.20NeoTronI was sure someone would aggro them
18:04.14NivFreakman, we had nice RoS failure last night
18:04.25NivFreakI feel like replacing all our melee and shaman
18:04.29NivFreak:)
18:04.40ApocoDaemona what guild are you in?
18:04.57Daemonaone that was top5 progress wise before we ran into KJ ;)
18:05.20Apoco:(
18:05.27Apocous/eu?
18:05.27Daemonaand then summer hit
18:05.30Daemonaeu
18:05.39Daemonaall good pve guilds are EU ;)
18:05.52Apocopsht
18:10.37NeoTronhttp://www.blizzard.com/us/splash.html <-- wtf?
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18:13.49Fisker-Diablo 3
18:14.06ckknightdoubt it
18:14.23NeoTronI think Galaxy of Starcraft
18:14.32NeoTronthe obviouis MMO followup to SC2
18:14.39durcynit's just sc2, relax
18:14.41ANTRatfilename is ice1.jpg
18:14.50NeoTrondurcyn: sc2 is already announced though
18:15.00durcynor wotlk
18:15.02Fisker-it is ckknight :o
18:15.09durcynain't gonna be a new game though
18:15.38Fisker-yes it is
18:15.45Fisker-Diablo 3 :o
18:17.26NeoTronhttp://i31.tinypic.com/i44c43.jpg
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18:17.58Fisker-yeah NeoTron?
18:19.13Daemonahaha all those conspiracy theories -> http://ace.pastey.net/89929
18:20.12Fisker-"conspiracy"?
18:20.12Fisker-also
18:20.15Fisker-disprove it then
18:20.16Fisker-fgt
18:20.44NeoTronfun stuff
18:20.48kenlyricthe proof is that those two marks aren't identical
18:20.53NeoTronthey are good at creating buzz
18:21.37kenlyricthey do have a vague resemblance, but they aren't both from the blizzard frostmourne art.
18:21.52kenlyricobviously, its' the FM card from the TCG
18:21.58kenlyricand I've been right all along
18:22.16Fisker-rigth about what kenlyric ?
18:22.32kenlyricWrath TCG is the announcement this weekend.
18:22.39kenlyricbecause those guys can release on time
18:23.05Fisker-it's Diablo 3
18:24.12kenlyricWrath of the diablo star
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18:24.41kenlyricthey're all out of warcraft IP after wrath
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18:28.03ckknightkenlyric: they're not out
18:28.07ckknightkenlyric: they're just a bit drained
18:28.23ckknightkenlyric: they've still got sunken kalimdor, the emerald dream, Argus, Undermine
18:28.30kenlyricwell, they've got no major scenarios from warcraft to use, so they have to make new shit
18:28.46kenlyricbut those are all minor lore things, and not presented in previous games.
18:28.55ckknighttrue
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18:29.17kenlyricwrath is the last of their wad on wc3 missions.
18:29.24kenlyricso, needs wc4
18:29.51kenlyricI'd think wc4 would be just be terrible
18:31.17ckknightwc4 is doomed
18:31.24ckknightimo
18:31.32kenlyricI don't see it happening.
18:31.35ckknightseeing as they'd have to tie it into the events that occurred with WoW
18:31.43ckknightkenlyric: unless they make a prequel, I don't see any viability in it
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18:32.19kenlyriceven then, the audience is sort of spoiled by seeing azeroth in WoW form.
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18:33.20ZealotOnAStickDon't forget the Titans.
18:33.30ZealotOnAStickHrm.
18:33.39ZealotOnAStickI suppose I should have gone with "Rememer the Titans"
18:33.41kenlyricand really, diablo and starcraft cover the rpg and rts genre's that warcraft filled, so they don't need a warcraft rts anymore
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18:33.46kenlyricindeed
18:33.50ZealotOnASticks/Rememer/Remember/
18:33.57NeoTronthey once said that with BC and the portal concept they had infinite possibiltiies
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18:34.12kenlyricWrath of Iced Diablo
18:34.55ZealotOnAStickThe new 3d RPG Fighting Game: Diablo's Other Other Brother, Freezablo.
18:35.10ckknighthehe
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18:35.23p3limIs there a function alike GetSpellInfo() just for NPC's?
18:35.31ZealotOnAStickPlay your favorite Diablo classes in a 3d fighting game similar to Dragonball!
18:35.52ZealotOnAStickwe'd all mock it, and laugh, and then cry as they sold like a bajillion copies for console.
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18:36.19ckknightI could see Diablo being a game played on both console and PC
18:36.24ckknightD3, that is
18:37.43nevcairielthat splash image is some ice-ish thing, ice reminds me of northrend, which reminds me of wotlk, and not more :P WWI will be their big platform to promote wotlk
18:38.23kenlyricexcept the problem of where they already did that.
18:38.44kenlyricand this kind of tease they don't typically do for games they've already talked about extensively
18:38.51kenlyricso I say again, Wrath TCG
18:38.53nevcairielalso, diablo is fire, not ice
18:39.08kenlyricfrostfire
18:39.11nevcairielI dont think they would do something like that for TCG
18:39.13kenlyricit's the new pink
18:41.17ApocoAll shocks share the same 6 second cooldown dont they?
18:41.23Apocounless it has a higher cooldown itself
18:41.39ckknightApoco: true
18:41.46Apocokk
18:41.48Apocothx
18:42.03Fisker-lol nevcairiel
18:42.23Fisker-It's called a teaser
18:42.44nevcairielteasers always contain some hint
18:42.48Fisker-they do
18:42.50nevcairielyours are all wild guesses
18:42.57Fisker-they're not wild guesses
18:43.05Fisker-http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/04.jpg
18:43.12Fisker-23 = W, 09 = I, 04 = D
18:43.15nevcairieloh noes they bought diablo3.com
18:43.21Fisker-also that
18:43.48Fisker-Anyways you're not going to "tease" about an announcement by blatantly giving it away
18:43.57Fisker-so obviously it's not a screenshot of diablo or fire
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18:44.24nevcairielyou'll see
18:44.31Fisker-I will
18:44.44nevcairielthey are already creating wotlk and sc2
18:44.46Fisker-There are only 2 logical announcements, Warcraft 4 and Diablo 3
18:44.53Fisker-I doubt it's Warcraft 4
18:44.58nevcairieli doubt we'll see anything of d3 before sc2 is done
18:45.07Fisker-You'll see
18:45.46Apocoits wow2
18:45.47nevcairielyour just wishing :p
18:45.52Apocoor world of starcraft
18:45.59Apocotheir "next gen mmo
18:46.00Apoco"*
18:46.01Fisker-it's not world of starcraft
18:46.05Fisker-and it's not world of warcraft 2
18:46.28Fisker-hmm
18:46.29Apocoproof!
18:46.32Fisker-Could also be Starcraft: Ghost
18:46.36nevcairielyeah they still have that next-gen-mmo thing
18:46.38Fisker-Apoco www.uspto.gov
18:46.43kenlyricheck, they could branch out
18:46.45Fisker-No trademark = no announcement
18:46.55Pkekyo|when does this midsummer thing end?
18:47.00Fisker-4. july
18:47.06Apocothey could be calling it something different Fisker-
18:47.19nevcairielthey would never call anything world of warcraft 2 or world of starcraft
18:47.20Fisker-?
18:47.25Apocothats my point
18:47.28Apocoit may be that
18:47.37Apocobut they are calling it "Star Worlds" or some stupid shit
18:47.41Fisker-Pro-tip: Search trademarks by registrant or owner
18:47.42Fisker-...
18:47.59ApocoAnd you don't think they couldnt have it registered by a sub company they own?
18:48.04Apocothis is blizzard we are speaking of
18:48.15nevcairielactivision
18:48.17nevcairielfor example :P
18:48.17Fisker-Then it would be the "subcompany" they owned
18:48.22Fisker-that owned it*
18:48.23Fisker-also
18:48.42Apocoit also may be nothing they are just doing it to screw with you people
18:48.46Apocobecause it makes you do this
18:48.49Fisker-I doubt that it would go past anyones nose that they started a new company for the sole purpose of developement
18:48.56Fisker-that may be
18:49.06ApocoBlizzard owns multiple companies
18:49.08Fisker-But they already owes us a game announcement
18:49.12nevcairielthey merged with activision not too long ago
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18:49.18nevcairielmaybe its a activision thing
18:49.25Fisker-"Vivendi merged with Activision"
18:49.29Fisker-And it's not been approved yet
18:49.32Fisker-so they haven't merged yet
18:49.34Apocoagain its blizzard
18:49.47Apocowhich means it could be absolutely nothing
18:49.49nevcairielno, blizzard merged with activision
18:49.51nevcairielnot vivendi
18:49.52Apocoor like "Warcraft3 for consoles"
18:49.52Fisker-no
18:50.01Fisker-Vivendi is merging with activision if it gets approved
18:50.05nevcairielActivision-Blizzard
18:50.07nevcairiellook it up
18:50.07Fisker-yes
18:50.11Fisker-do look it up
18:50.27Fisker-Vivendi is forming Activision-Blizzard to steal upon the name Blizzard has secured for themself in the game industry
18:50.34Fisker-Vivendi is largely known for producing shit
18:50.39Fisker-Activision and Blizzard, not so much
18:50.55nevcairielvivendi doesnt produce anything
18:50.58Fisker-What better way to sell your shit than by branding it with Activision and Blizzard logos?
18:50.58nevcairielits a freking publisher
18:51.15Fisker-You get the point
18:51.22Fisker-And they do actually have inhouse developement as well
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18:52.17ApocoActivision fails imo
18:52.19Apocobut thats just me
18:53.42Fisker-I don't like guitar hero either :P
18:54.18Apocoif you want to play a guitar go cut up a cardboard box and put some strings on it
18:54.22Apocoyou dont need a fucking game to play it
18:54.35Fisker-Lets sell Air-Guitar Hero
18:54.39Apocono shit
18:55.11Apocoit comes with a book that says "You are a moron, now go play with your guitar"
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18:57.23Fisker-haste
18:57.25Apocohttp://goldname.com/images/showcase.gif
18:57.28Apocolol look @ #2
18:57.29Fisker-fork over some dev money for air-guitar hero
18:57.42Fisker-awesome
18:58.00ApocoI should register www.imapotdealer.com
18:58.01hastebuy a super air guitar Fisker- !
18:58.06Apocoand imamethdealer.com
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19:01.20CIA-4403apoco * r77291 10RBM_AbilityWatch/RBM_AbilityWatch.lua:
19:01.20CIA-44RBM_AbilityWatch:
19:01.20CIA-44- New: "Low Memory Mode" which will lower the amount of memory used by AbilityWatch, but if enabled you are unabled to add new abilities to be tracked
19:01.20CIA-44- New: Option to customize DR Labels
19:01.21CIA-44- Fix: Ice Trap DR Detection
19:01.23CIA-44- Spell List Updated to include all priest heals, swd, and shaman shocks/earth bind totem.
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19:02.42CIA-4403apoco * r77292 10RBM_AbilityWatch/RBM_AbilityWatch.lua: RBM_AbilityWatch: - Typo Fix
19:02.44Fisker-btw NeoTron
19:03.05Fisker-http://www.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/runes/runeShae.gif
19:03.32Fisker-try comparing that to the rune on the site/frostmourne :D
19:04.52*** join/#wowace frostdweller (i=frostdwe@3e6bcbdd.rev.stofanet.dk)
19:05.30frostdwellerAnyone got an idea where i might start looking for the line that would increase the sound volume in decursive?
19:05.56Fisker-also
19:06.09Fisker-from diablofans
19:06.14Fisker-There's a rune to the left from it
19:06.21Fisker-which is Amn
19:06.43Fisker-And there's a runeword called "Ice" (lol get it?) which is Amn + Shael + Jah + Lo
19:06.59frostdwellerO.o
19:07.36Fisker-not to mention the red symbol encased in said ice
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19:14.04laegcan anybody tell me why the modifier works fine when i don't have a target but doesn't when i do or mouseover? /cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead,modifier:alt][harm,nodead] Blind; [nomodifier:alt] ghostly strike
19:14.22laegi mean the nomodifier
19:16.18Lukianjust nomodifier
19:16.27Lukiandon't specify alt?
19:17.17laegwhat i mean is it gets stuck on blind when i have target
19:17.19laegLukian: i will try
19:17.40Lukianyou could reverse them too
19:18.01Lukianie. first ghostly strike; then the rent
19:18.03Lukianrest*
19:18.07Xelopheris/cast [nomodifier:alt] ghostly strike; [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead,modifier:alt][harm,nodead] Blind
19:18.19Lukianwhat he said
19:18.29Lukianis that actually valid use of nomodifier, Xelopheris ?
19:18.42laegLukian: no joy i'm afraid
19:18.45Xelopherisshould be
19:18.46laegXelopheris: i will try
19:19.15Lukianlaeg, i'd say it's your harm,nodead condition triggering instead of ghostly strike :p
19:19.20laegi'm actually gonna add castsequence reset=20 ghostly strike, hemo, hemo but i need to sort targeting first
19:19.27Lukianbecause if you have a target, that condition = true..
19:20.05Lukianreset=20? You aren't planning on hitting the button for 20secs to reset it? :o
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19:25.43Fisker-oh god nevcairiel
19:26.07nevcairielyou dont have to call me that
19:26.08nevcairielits ok
19:26.09Fisker-Someone just told me the possibility of just being an announcement of the digital download version of D2 in the blizzard store
19:26.22nevcairielwith ice?
19:26.42Fisker-also your mother
19:26.50nevcairielthe ice has some meaning!
19:26.55ZealotOnAStickSorceress Much?
19:27.09ZealotOnAStickWhat if they'd put up lots of lightning/electrical stuff?
19:27.14ZealotOnAStickOr, or . . . bigass swords?
19:27.25ZealotOnAStickOr Fire!
19:27.33laegXelopheris, Lukian: ty works great - i have /castsequence [nomodifier:alt] reset=20 Ghostly Strike, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage, Hemorrhage; [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead,modifier:alt][harm,nodead] Blind
19:28.02laegLukian: well yes but with the modifier the 20 second reset only applies to the Ghostly Strike, Hemo bit otherwise it will always do blind
19:28.46Lukianwhy not have a 2nd line with just
19:29.06Lukian<PROTECTED>
19:29.22VonhintenHOME`Jesus christ, is it really that tough to put multiple things on bars and remember where they are?
19:29.46ZealotOnAStickfew buttons/less movement the better.
19:29.50LukianVonhintenHOME`, clicking them, or keybinding them is an issue
19:29.54Lukianwhat ZealotOnAStick said
19:30.29Lukianseriously, you should see my hunter or paladin (prot) keybinds :/
19:30.30genetik-because rogues have so much other stuff going on
19:30.32genetik-heh
19:32.54laegVonhintenHOME`: few buttons is faster then stumblind through 10 number keys
19:33.08genetik-don't use all 10 number keys
19:33.12laegya
19:33.15laegi use 4/5 with macros
19:33.29laegand q + e etc
19:33.35genetik-e, q, z, x, c, f, g, r
19:33.40genetik-all with shift/alt modifiers
19:33.45genetik-well, most at least
19:34.35laegLukian: i need the modifier to blind on mouseover but also blind my target when appropriate
19:34.59laegthat's why i can't just use that 2nd line you suggested dude
19:35.23Lukiansure you can (with [harm,nodead] on the end)
19:35.35LukianI guess it does make your macro longer though :p
19:35.38VonhintenHOME`I use all 6 bars, and shift+#, #
19:36.07LukianVonhintenHOME`, class?
19:36.22VonhintenHOME`I play all kinds of classes, pally, rogue, druid..
19:36.34Lukianyou like to click? XD
19:36.47VonhintenHOME`I don't ever click anything but targets
19:37.13VonhintenHOME`I have abilities broken out to bars logically
19:37.22Lukianyou page through your actionbars?
19:37.31VonhintenHOME`yep, with shift+#
19:37.42Lukianinteresting
19:38.17LukianI usually switch between 2, particularly a bar of curses on my warlock and my melee and ranged skills seperated on hunter
19:38.45VonhintenHOME`I have everything broken down logically so I can switch between any class and instantly start playing...
19:39.01VonhintenHOME`bar 1 is always attacks, bar 2 is always heals or utility
19:39.07Lukianaye, I tend to use the same button locations for stuns
19:39.09Lukianetc
19:39.12laegi can have attacks and heals on the same bar, VonhintenHOME`
19:39.17laegin fact on the same button
19:39.23laegthis is why macros are superior to your method
19:39.34VonhintenHOME`Not superior
19:39.42laegwith a modifier you virtually change the bar with one key
19:39.43Lukianbecause you can spam "2" regardless of the class you are playing? :D
19:39.49laegyou don't have to press it twice to switch back.
19:39.58laegthis is your method with less key presses
19:40.34laeglukian :D
19:41.45VonhintenHOME`I dunno, my brain doesn't work like that... I have every ability in my head layed out as a matrix
19:42.05VonhintenHOME`I know on any class I play bar 1 slot 2 is going to be the main attack
19:42.13laegthe matrix has you, VonhintenHOME`
19:42.32VonhintenHOME`I know on any class I play that bar 6 slot 6 is my most important oh-shit button
19:42.47VonhintenHOME`bubble on pally, vanish on rogue
19:43.25laegcan you vanish and stealth with one button on your rogue?
19:43.47VonhintenHOME`why would I want to do that?
19:43.53laegerm
19:43.55laegbecause it's logical?
19:44.01VonhintenHOME`it's not logical to me
19:44.01laegthey do the same thing in different situations
19:44.23laegwhen you use vanish doesn't it stealth your rogue? :)
19:44.29laegmaybe it's just my rogue...
19:44.30VonhintenHOME`you think they're the same thing because "they stealth you", I think they're completely different because their use case is completely different
19:44.36laegyes
19:44.51laegtheir use case is different
19:44.55laegbut the macro can account for that
19:45.04laegit won't vanish you if you're not in stealth
19:45.07laeger i mean combat
19:45.29laeg./cast [combat] vanish; stealth
19:45.46VonhintenHOME`see, now I would totally waste vanish doing that
19:45.54laeghow would that waste vanish?
19:46.04VonhintenHOME`by accidentally trying to stealth when still in combat
19:46.13laegbut if you wanted to stealth
19:46.16laegthen you wanted to stealth
19:46.19VonhintenHOME`you may be able to press one button, but you can't do it without watching the in combat flag
19:46.19laegso it vanishes you
19:47.08laegi don't need to watch it, if i want to stealth i stealth, regardless of the situation, all with one button
19:47.44NivFreakso is there much chance of failure for RoS phase 3 if everyone is alive?
19:47.47laegi wouldn't see it as wasting vanish if i'm in combat and i'd like to be stealthed
19:47.58VonhintenHOME`but if you want to stealth but not immediately, you have to watch your in combat flag... whereas I can just spam stealth until I'm out of combat
19:48.07genetik-NivFreak: tank dies, raid doesn't get healed enough, someone pulls aggro, etc
19:48.40NeoTronNivFreak: there's a chance
19:48.51NeoTronpulling aggro is a big one
19:48.55NeoTronwatch for seethe
19:49.04NivFreakso, explain the seethe mechanic
19:49.06genetik-mocking blow doesn't trigger seethe, fyi
19:49.12NivFreakis it only an issue if you have overaggro?
19:49.23NeoTronwhen RoS changes targets, everyone in the raid generates 300% threat
19:49.27NeoTronor something along those lines
19:49.39frostdwellerAny idea how i turn up the sound on the curese alert sound in decursive?
19:49.45genetik-not only when it changes targets.. when someone taunts it
19:49.56NivFreakoh shit
19:49.58NivFreakit's everyone?
19:50.00NivFreakok, that sucks
19:50.17NeoTronbasically at that point everyone but the tank should stop generating threat
19:50.33genetik-no, at that point, just keep going and hope you get through it without pulling aggro again
19:50.36NeoTrongenetik-: taunt that changes target I presume?
19:50.36genetik-heh
19:50.50NeoTrongenetik-: can do that too but it you stop genning aggro it's actually quite benefitial
19:51.04genetik-NeoTron: maybe.. i wasn't tanking the one week and i accidentally hit mocking blow and it didn't cause a seethe
19:51.08NivFreakanyway, my plan was to use a prot paladin
19:51.10NivFreakfor phase 3
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19:51.16NivFreaksince their threat scales so well with damage
19:51.17genetik-prot paladin works well in p 3
19:51.25genetik-well.. warriors threat scales with damage also
19:51.36NivFreaknot as much as paladins
19:51.40genetik-the benefit of a prot paladin is that they don't take as much damage from the thing it does
19:51.40NeoTronwell
19:51.42NivFreakand then there's the soulsream rage issues
19:51.43genetik-that burns mana/rage
19:51.50NeoTronisn't prot pally really bad due to having mana/
19:51.56LukianI use ctrl+left click re: <VonhintenHOME`> I know on any class I play that bar 6 slot 6 is my most important oh-shit button <VonhintenHOME`> bubble on pally, vanish on rogue
19:52.02genetik-NeoTron: he'll gain enough mana back
19:52.04NeoTronferal druid it pretty awful
19:52.08Lukianfeign death on my hunter, soulshatter on my warlock
19:52.10NeoTrongenetik-: I mean taking huge hits
19:52.13genetik-NeoTron: nah
19:52.18genetik-why would it be?
19:52.21NivFreakNeoTron: the incomign damage makes mana a non-issue really
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19:52.42NeoTrongenetik-: because it's an issue with warriors and druids that don't/can't get rid of rage
19:53.15genetik-NeoTron: right, but with a prot paladin, they take one big hit up front when it drains all of their mana.. then they don't take as much from there on out
19:53.16NivFreakyea, that was my fear
19:53.20NivFreaktaking an 11K soul scream
19:53.26VonhintenHOME`I dunno, I've never been able to use Ctrl or Alt for abilities... just too awkward
19:53.31NeoTrongenetik-: that's probably true
19:53.43NivFreakyea, but the mana burn is far less significant
19:53.45genetik-NeoTron: that's what happens.. we use our prot paladin to tank that phase occasionally
19:53.47Lukianpinky finger sits on it :o
19:53.48NivFreakbecause it's 1:1 mana to health right?
19:53.52genetik-something like that
19:53.53Lukianthumb hits ctrl
19:53.55VonhintenHOME`my pinky sits on shift
19:53.58NivFreakso 5-6K soul scream vs a 11K rage bar soul scream
19:54.01NivFreakbig difference
19:54.17frostdwellerwhere is volume set in a sound
19:54.19genetik-when i tank him, i'm spamming everything as much as possible to dump my rage
19:54.20genetik-heh
19:54.21NeoTronNivFreak: ofc the tank should never have a full rage bar
19:54.29LukianVonhintenHOME`, exactly, so you move it down slightly to be "sure" you want to use your "oh shit" "button" :D
19:54.30NeoTronwarrior can change stances
19:54.31frostdwellerWhat is the code
19:54.36VonhintenHOME`lol
19:54.54NivFreakNeoTron: stance dancing is risky
19:54.55genetik-NeoTron: i don't like to do that because it cuts down on my threat generation
19:54.58NivFreakbut yes
19:55.17NivFreakthe thing that suprised me about tanking him
19:55.22NivFreakis phase 2, I have really limited rage
19:55.30NivFreakand I actually missed the first deaden because of it
19:55.33NivFreakand wiped us basically
19:55.41genetik-yeah, p2 sucks for threat gen
19:55.50NivFreakit's fine to deal with once I knew
19:55.55NivFreakbut I was unaware the first time
19:56.00genetik-yeah
19:56.01NivFreakI just stopped shieldblocking
19:56.05NivFreakhis melee is nothing really
19:56.13genetik-oh definitely.. i don't shield block p2 or 3
19:56.46VonhintenHOME`throw on an offhand weapon?
19:56.49genetik-curse of recklessness in p2, etc
19:56.55NivFreakVonhintenHOME`: shield slam is bread and butter
19:57.01NivFreakcan't do that without a shield
19:57.10genetik-also can't spell reflect
19:57.12NivFreakgenetik-: good call on reck though
19:57.14NivFreakgenetik-: yea
19:57.15NivFreakhaha
19:57.16VonhintenHOME`ah, yeah
19:57.17genetik-heh
19:57.29NivFreakbut really, a raid geared tank will almost always deal more threat with a shield
19:57.36NivFreakin anything that you can survive hits in
19:57.45NivFreakI have ~800BV before procs
19:57.56genetik-not to mention, you'd drop a significant amount of stamina if you dropped the shield
19:57.56NivFreakand capped hit and > 8% expertise
19:58.02NivFreakyea
19:58.19VonhintenHOME`damn, that's a good amount of block value
19:58.27NivFreakmakes phase 1 fun
19:58.30VonhintenHOME`I've only gotten my pally up in the low 700's
19:58.39NivFreakI'm pushing 1K BV with procs from t5
19:59.34genetik-RoS is one of my favorite encounters in the game, though
19:59.40genetik-p3 is always a thrill
19:59.40NivFreakyea, it's really neat
19:59.50NivFreakbut I have to say
19:59.54NivFreakbloodboil was a nice fight
20:00.01NivFreaknice to have a fight that's really execution for a change
20:00.03NivFreakinstead of gimmic
20:00.11genetik-heh.. because bloodboil rotations aren't a gimmick :P
20:00.19NivFreakit's minor
20:00.26NivFreakit's really a solid healer and tank check
20:00.30NivFreakI enjoyed it a lot
20:00.51genetik-yeah.. it's definitely one of the more difficult encounters to tank
20:00.58NivFreakthe major problem I had
20:01.04NivFreakis I kept pulling ahead of my ferals
20:01.07NivFreakand not forcing a switch
20:01.13NivFreakso I was rocking 20 stacks
20:01.16genetik-nice
20:01.23NivFreakI had to get a BoP
20:01.37genetik-and hope you don't dodge the next knockback
20:01.49NeoTronNivFreak: your ferals must.. suck? either that or you're really good
20:01.50NivFreakI did over and over ;P
20:01.57NeoTronand we often use BoPs as a tol
20:02.00NeoTrontool
20:02.00NivFreakNeoTron: I push around 1500TPS on that fight
20:02.14NivFreakwith the exception of engage
20:02.17NeoTronbtw, is' easier with just 2 tanks
20:02.21VonhintenHOME`well geared ferals put ridiculous threat these days
20:02.25genetik-NeoTron: how so?
20:02.33NivFreakour ferals have 1 t6 bit each
20:02.39NivFreakI suspect once they have 4, I'm in trouble
20:02.47MazohystIs their a way I can get 2 panels to overlap one another on eePanels? Like if i had a black and a yellow one and i wanted to use the black one as a border but have the yellow one on top. Then I wanna have them all be one panel together so I don't have to move them seperatly. Their a way I can do that with eePanels2?
20:02.49NeoTrongenetik-: only need two tanks high on threat, easier healing (two tanks are easier than 3 to heal - overall damage is the same)
20:03.03NivFreakNeoTron: we were just using 3 tanks to learn
20:03.06NivFreakand it was a great buffer
20:03.10NeoTronyeah so did we
20:03.16NeoTronbut we found it was easier with 2
20:03.18genetik-NeoTron: when you go two tanks, would you go all out on threat? i can't see how that'd be easier
20:03.20NivFreaktook us 7 attempts to kill him
20:03.31NivFreakwe had 3 failures on tank healing in phase 2
20:03.37NivFreakand then got mage -> mage -> priest
20:03.38NeoTrongenetik-: threat is still a dps issue in the fight
20:03.45genetik-NeoTron: i mean for tanks
20:03.45NeoTronbut it's easier for two tanks to be close to eachother than 3
20:04.02NivFreakand you can misdirect the OT up
20:04.03NeoTronmore so I gather
20:04.10NeoTronI'm not a tank
20:04.20genetik-yeah
20:04.21NeoTronmainl though it was easier on healing
20:04.32NivFreakhonestly though, phase 1 is just pacing
20:04.36NivFreakyou do your rotations
20:04.38NivFreakdo medium dps
20:04.43NivFreakand then go all out in phase 2
20:04.47NivFreakand threat doesn't really matter
20:04.50genetik-yeah, i drill that into everyone
20:04.55NeoTronwe have dps stand doing nothing for the first phase 1
20:04.59NivFreaklol
20:05.07NeoTronwe have to
20:05.13genetik-on our first bloodboil kill, Threat-2.0 was bugged to shit so we didn't even have a working threat meter the whole fight
20:05.15NivFreakour freak spriests both jumped the ferals
20:05.16genetik-that was fun
20:05.21NivFreakI got to scream
20:05.27NeoTronour dps can ride the ass, and surpass their asses, on a signle tank fight w/o threat wipes
20:05.34NeoTroneven our feral druids 1800 tps isn't always sufficient
20:05.55NivFreakmy ferals push out about 1K TPS
20:06.00NivFreakis that all yours do?
20:06.02NeoTronFriday in ZA on lynx boss - without flask - I did over 2700 dps
20:06.26NeoTron1800+ tps in the proper setup
20:06.28VonhintenHOME`what class?
20:06.37NeoTronwarlock
20:06.42NivFreakNeoTron: ok, it sounds like your warriors suck at making threat then :P
20:06.55NeoTronmind you - ele shaman, boomkin, shadow priest + 50% crit rate
20:07.04Ozgulinot many tanks output more than 1.8ktps afaik
20:07.16NivFreak1800
20:07.18NivFreakI misread
20:07.20VonhintenHOME`that's pretty high, even for a stacked group
20:07.20NivFreakdamn font
20:07.22NeoTronon brutallus with a nice rotation os PoM the druid did over 2000 tps
20:07.40NivFreakI haven't been able to sustain 2000TPS for an notable amount of time
20:07.49NivFreakwe'll see how I do when I get my 4pc t6 bonus
20:08.00Fisker-I tried to hack the url by taking off the end so that it's...
20:08.00Fisker-http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/
20:08.01Fisker-HOLY SHIT
20:08.04Fisker-HE'S HACKING THE URL
20:08.12VonhintenHOME`Our warlock does 1600 DPS maybe on lynx
20:08.15NivFreakanyway
20:08.25NivFreakwe ended up having to cap our TPS at 800 on bloodboil
20:08.30NivFreakbecause one of the tanks would always fall behind
20:08.35NivFreakso that sucked
20:08.40NivFreakbut whatever, phase 2 is threatless
20:08.42NeoTronwhen not having aggro you have to pace it
20:09.01NeoTronVonhintenHOME`: 2700 dps was not normal
20:09.06NeoTronstacked group + insane crit rate
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20:09.46Elsiaheya
20:09.56NivFreakI've stopped stacking the group for my warlocks
20:09.58NeoTronlong time no see
20:10.02NivFreakand stacking it for the mages instead
20:10.07Gary13579NivFreak: what the fuck?
20:10.11NivFreakthey are doing fairly even damage now
20:10.12NivFreakhahah
20:10.16Gary13579unless your warlocks are terribad
20:10.18Gary13579you're doing it wrong
20:10.20VonhintenHOME`I do about 1000 DPS on my rogue on lynx, but all I have is salve
20:10.29NivFreakGary13579: my warlocks are great for our level
20:10.32ZealotOnAStickwe've generally stacked one group as the "easy heal/soak bitch" group, as 4 locks and a tree.
20:10.35NivFreak1600DPS without t6
20:10.42NivFreakand without a stacked group
20:10.52EvilJohnwe had a lot more success when made everyone just chill in p1 on gurtogg
20:10.54Gary13579I'm averaging 1.7k DPS in T4/T5 gear
20:10.58Gary13579one piece T6
20:11.30EvilJohn"follow yoru group lead, don't die, white damage only"
20:11.39EvilJohnor dots, that sort of thing
20:11.45NeoTronyes
20:11.49NeoTronwell
20:11.55Elsiatranqil air is great for gurtogg p1
20:11.58NeoTroncontrolling dps is fine
20:12.04EvilJohnour people would lose focus
20:12.19Gary13579tranquil air + salv + not dpsing for first bloodboil or two
20:12.21VonhintenHOME`I can't match our warlock DPS on my rogue any more, it's starting to piss me off
20:12.25EvilJohnand I'd get so annoyed I'd want to punch my kitten :(
20:12.33Gary13579get glaives, get wf, ???, profit
20:12.35genetik-not a euphamism
20:12.39VonhintenHOME`I have to stand in melee range and risk my ass, and they stand back and spam one button ftw
20:12.50EvilJohnindeed genetik
20:12.51Diaoespecially on all those fights where ranged can't pull agro
20:12.54NeoTronhttp://wowwebstats.com/2eurqughijruc?s=4733-4876
20:13.09ZealotOnAStickeven without warglaives, rogue with decent swords, drums, proper consumables, shaman and ret pally/dps warrior . . .
20:13.22EvilJohnnice NeoTron
20:13.23VonhintenHOME`still can't beat the warlocks
20:13.29Gary13579yeah a rogue without glaives can beat a warlock
20:13.35EvilJohnthat's about my max dps as a shadow priest, 1300 or so
20:13.37Gary13579but give em glaives and it's just plain gay :/
20:13.48Pkekyo|R.I.P. George Carlin
20:14.14NivFreakrip
20:14.21Fisker-he's dead?
20:14.24genetik-last night
20:14.32Fisker-WIN WIN WIN
20:14.49Pkekyo|fisker, go die a horribly painful death
20:14.52VonhintenHOME`Sometimes I beat the warlocks, but our main one beats me more often than not... and anytime there's AOE, LOL
20:14.53Fisker-yes
20:15.04NivFreakFisker-: yea, heart failure
20:15.14VonhintenHOME`AOE is just retarded.. that's what really bugs me, they're beating me single target, AND they get AOE
20:15.23Gary13579we
20:15.30NeoTronQQ
20:15.31Gary13579*we're beating you single target because you're bad
20:15.32NivFreakI have a BM hunter, rogue, and two warlocks that all manage to do about 1600DPS
20:15.33Gary13579And AoE matters?
20:15.34cubicoolThis is World of Warlockcraft you're talking about.
20:15.40VonhintenHOME`You assume I'm bad
20:15.41NivFreakso they trade back and forth in #1 depending on the fight
20:15.48Gary13579OH DAMN I DID 5K DPS ON HYJAL TRASH
20:15.49Gary13579GO ME
20:16.06selckinsk does 4k dps on teron :p
20:16.21NivFreaknuts
20:16.22NeoTrononly fight where AoE matters, I think, is M'uru
20:16.40cubicoolWhats worse is that all these no-skill locks do that DPS by just spamming one spell.
20:16.40ZealotOnAStickFelmyst, a bit.
20:16.41NeoTronmaybe kael'thas if you use the AoE method
20:16.44NeoTronnot really
20:16.54NeoTronfelmyst you have so long time to AoE yuou don't really have to do much
20:16.57cubicoolBut that's Blizzards fault.
20:17.10ZealotOnAStick^ "a bit"
20:17.13NivFreakI enjoy that all of the guilds near us in progression, raid 3 days more a week than we do
20:17.16Gary13579cubicool: All DPS classes are easy
20:17.23NivFreakhow bad must you be to raid 5 days a week, and not have BT on farm
20:17.26NeoTroncubicool: a lot of warlock would prefer to raid as affliction. that said, how many buttons does a mage push? two
20:17.29NeoTronetc
20:17.30Gary13579I mean what class is harder
20:17.40Gary13579Hunters, but with macros it becomes 1 button again?
20:17.45NeoTronyes
20:17.46ZealotOnAStickI prefer affliction, but it's so broken right now with damage scaling.
20:17.50EvilJohnshadow priest requires more work
20:17.52NeoTronno hunter with decent dps doesn't use a mactro
20:18.00ZealotOnAStickWe rotate around which lock on a given raid week is the aff lock for the couple of fights we still want one.
20:18.03Gary13579Shadow priest is a bit harder but still pretty easy
20:18.11genetik-everything is easy
20:18.16genetik-just need to pay attention
20:18.20Gary13579exactly
20:18.24ZealotOnAStickwait what?
20:18.37Gary13579so stop making up stuff to QQ about cubicool
20:18.47NeoTronalso when and how you life tap, for example, can have a significant effect on overall dps
20:19.07Gary13579well the main thing is just to life tap while moving
20:19.16NeoTronof when threat constrained
20:19.16Gary13579and when you know you won't be taking damage
20:19.26NivFreakI think spriest is the hardest DPS class i've played
20:19.33NivFreakin terms of doing good damage
20:19.34NeoTronjust saying that I see big difference in warlock dps
20:19.39AeyanI don't think it's that bad
20:19.41NeoTronbut SP isn't primarily dps
20:19.49NeoTronand all there is is to keep the timers in check
20:19.52NivFreakNeoTron: good relative dps
20:20.05AeyanBut then, I've been doing my rotation for so long it's so easy to keep all my DoTs and cooldowns in a nice order
20:20.14NivFreakclipping mind flays properly, keeping your dots queued right
20:20.18NivFreakdoing that well is hard
20:20.24NeoTronbutthat said we have a SP that always outperformed everyone else for no apparent reason
20:20.24EvilJohnI can auto pilot my SP now
20:20.26NivFreakcompared to any other dps class I've played
20:20.47AeyanI wouldn't want to do it without bar DoT timers anymore though
20:20.53EvilJohnno me neither
20:20.54NivFreakmages are easy, destro locks are easy, BM hunters are easy
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20:21.00genetik-i use quartz for timers on my priest
20:21.03NivFreakfury/arms warriors are easy
20:21.06NivFreakI haven't played a rogue
20:21.08NivFreakbut it sounds easy
20:21.33NeoTronwe just lost out main prot warrior (MT since Karazhan) and our backup prot warrior (old member that returned sometime during SSC)
20:21.40Gary13579SS, SnD, rupture rotations are pretty hard, NivFreak
20:21.42EvilJohnouch
20:21.45NivFreakGary13579: lol
20:21.58NivFreakalso
20:22.04genetik-NeoTron: still able to raid?
20:22.07NeoTronwe have a new warrior that joined as arms but who has good tank gear and a new feral druid app
20:22.11NivFreakwhat other class has to lose a major DPS ability of they are in a fight that has a fair amount of raid dmg
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20:22.22NeoTronand a holy pally and ret pally with good tank set
20:22.30NeoTronplus our old prot pally/feral druid. we're good
20:22.46NeoTronsomewhat sucks since we're on M'uru now
20:22.59NeoTrona 4 tank fight
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20:28.01selckinwe fail hardcore at reversed twins, always wipe on it a full night before killing em
20:28.49NeoTronit's a hard fight
20:28.54NeoTronhow many kills?
20:29.11selckin4-5
20:30.23selckinmaybe more, not sure
20:32.53sbwe fail hardcore at felmyst... again :p
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20:33.50Matrix110|are you in my guild?
20:34.31Matrix110|We failed hardcore this week, from clearing upto muru on wednesday to not killing Felmyst :D
20:34.44Matrix110|(the whole week)
20:35.04selckinwe're good at felmyst
20:35.51selckini'd be happy to never heal tanks at brut tho
20:37.00Zyndromehah
20:37.26Zyndromewe wiped for 2 hours in Felmyst yesterday for bullshit reasons
20:37.43Zyndromeand oneshot Twins (always reversed order kill)
20:37.49Zyndromewe cried... and laughed
20:38.53NeoTronit happens
20:39.33NeoTronkey being that SWP isn't easy :P
20:39.52Pkekyo|"GAY BLACK JEWISH KLANSMEN FOR TOLERANCE AND UNDERSTANDING"
20:39.54Pkekyo|wait..what? :p
20:40.14VonhintenHOME`sounds like an Onion headline
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20:43.22Pkekyo|it's a picture of black people in pink KKK sheets
20:44.38HjalteElsia: You got any idea why a mate of mine is only showing 2 deaths on my death meter and 4 deaths on another raiders death meter, when we've wiped at least 6-7 times? I know that I have seen my mate die more than 2 times, standing almost right beside him.
20:45.34NeoTronselckin: curious what are your issues on reversed twins?
20:46.10selckinlolledgeboss, lolconflag, lolshadowfurystun
20:46.23selckineverything?
20:46.24selckin:
20:46.24selckin:p
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20:47.12Pkekyo|VonhintenHOME`: http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/51e/46b/51e46b5b-d7a1-4d15-9ea1-5164559e3aae
20:47.19selckinhaving 10 shadowfuries go for warlock tank, and no other healer switching and helping out
20:47.26Aens|Superioritywell, the edge is a problem no matter which direction you go
20:47.40Aens|Superiorityerr, which you kill first
20:47.41NeoTronwondering since our main issue in the end was conflag on melee, primarily on one of the tanks
20:47.54Aens|Superiorityhave tanks that aren't bad?
20:48.04NeoTronconflag + confound
20:48.05selckinNeoTron: someone is going over the tanks in thread then
20:48.09Aens|Superiorityi mean, there's always the confound and conflag, but thats just rng
20:48.10NeoTronselckin: no
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20:48.27NeoTronit's not purely based on threat
20:48.33Aens|Superiorityin which case, your tank needs to trinket the confound as soon as the conflag is on them
20:48.45Aens|Superiorityand just heal through the conflag
20:48.51NeoTronclaim is trinket does not work on confound
20:49.11selckini dunno, i heal stuff :\
20:49.14selckintanks do their thing
20:49.40Aens|Superiorityi'm pretty sure it works on confound. There's nothing that trinket doesn't work on.
20:49.43selckinthey yell for melee to move out of the way sometimes
20:49.58NeoTronBoth my warrior and druid tank said it doesn't
20:50.12NeoTronwe mostly figured it out I think
20:50.16Aens|Superioritysaid that or used it as an excuse?
20:50.26NeoTronI trust my druid tank fully
20:50.34NeoTronwarrior - not so much
20:50.57NeoTronin either casethe main issue was when a tank got confounr, then conflag and melee ran out
20:51.07NeoTronexcept the confound had run out to the tank ran out too
20:51.20NeoTronagain see note on "warrior - not so muhc"
20:51.37Aens|Superiorityin which case it is time your raid leader took a more hands-on approach to raid leading.
20:51.38NeoTronbut we figured out how to solve it
20:51.53selckin"dunno tbh, seems to work somtiems =/" is what our tank says
20:52.02NeoTronAens|Superiority: I'm the raid leader and I'm tanking the warlock so I am sort of occupied
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20:52.20Aens|Superioritysearing, move, searing move, plenty of time to watch whats going on.
20:52.23NeoTronkeep in mind we have just one kill
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20:52.30NeoTronand it's more to it than that
20:52.42NeoTronevery time she does something, which is quite often, you don't move
20:53.01Aens|Superiorityok, watch cast bars, searing, move, searing, move.
20:53.16NeoTronthe problem is, the tank should call out the confound thing, especially if it's gone before conflag
20:53.26selckinour main tank says it doesn't work on confounding either
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20:54.15NeoTronlikely doesn't work on "confuse" effects
20:54.39selckinif both get it, it usualy wears of in the time for mob to run upstairs anyway
20:54.42selckinand then it goes back
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20:55.36NeoTronregardless, it's part of working out the fight
20:56.02selckinwe thinking about trying other way :\
20:56.08selckinsince we fail so hard this way
20:56.11NeoTronwouldn't do it
20:56.19NeoTronphase 2 is so much easier in the reverse order
20:56.24VonhintenHOME`What are T4 tokens gonna turn in for PVP gear wise after this patch?  Still S1?
20:56.27selckinyeah, once you get there its win
20:56.51NeoTronwe had a few failed one but yeah
20:57.13selckinwe hit enrage once, otherwise always a kill when one dies
20:57.34NeoTronI messed up tanking in our first attempt with everyone alive
20:57.44NeoTronmainly I managed to put a flame patch on the group twice :-/
20:57.56NeoTronstupid AoE lag  
20:58.00NeoTronoh once I was also meleed to death
20:58.05NeoTronthat was fun
20:58.32selckinah yeah, our warlock put a blaze in the group one of ours first ones to
20:58.50NeoTronit's BS that she melees though
20:58.59selckinidd
21:00.18selckinnobody has fallen of the ledge yet this raid
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21:09.28selckinconflag, boom
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21:09.58CIA-44- Zone level range info is now properly displayed on the World Map.
21:09.58NeoTronofc conflag doesn't go away in the normal order
21:10.03NeoTronjust means healers get it primarily
21:10.22selckinbig red warnings
21:10.25selckinshaking screen
21:10.26selckinwhatever
21:10.30selckinhow can ppl still fail to move
21:10.53ZealotOnAStickCromulent?
21:13.20DashkalRandom question: Roughly how much attack power would a PvE-DPS warrior have in blues at level 70?
21:13.47breserRandom answer: 27
21:13.58Dashkalmmm, random
21:14.28breserpurl should do rand and print out a number anytime someone says "random question"
21:14.37Dashkalthat would be sweet :p
21:14.44phyberpft, random.  we had that answer on the last 4 breser raids.  WTB better random seed!
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21:15.51breserWe have a level 1 warrior make all our raid becuase people believe it results in better loot.
21:16.45NivFreaklol
21:16.49Dashkalnevermind the seed it taken at the time the instance is generated?
21:16.50NivFreakyour people are retarded
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21:16.54ElsiaHjalte: no clue, death records look fine for me when I check, except that there is a tendencies for duplicates. never seen some missing
21:17.59selckinwell loot is random, but we have 10 warglaives, 2 healing trinket and 1 skull
21:18.11NivFreakRNG
21:18.44NeoTronmob loot is confirmed to be determined when the mob is created
21:18.46Pizik_afkis the loot on a mob generated on spawnn, on death or on loot?
21:18.52selckinat spawn
21:18.54Pizik_afkok lol
21:18.54selckinblue post
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21:19.42NivFreakand the seed is a timestamp
21:20.58AntiarcI doubt they call srand for every mob spawned.
21:21.22NeoTronlikely the seeding is done when the server starts
21:21.25NeoTronno reason to reseed it
21:21.29AntiarcCorrectamundo.
21:21.37Pizik_afkon a related  note, do we assume that GMs/forum admins have the knowledge of the code to actuallyy answer that kind of question?
21:21.43AntiarcGaming a random seed is a fool's errnad.
21:21.54p3limWth is Asynchronous Transfer Mode? Wikipedia just says stuff that i cant really understand
21:22.15p3lim(ATM) is a cell relay, packet switching network and data link layer protocol which encodes data traffic into small (53 bytes; 48 bytes of data and 5 bytes of header information) etc... god knows
21:22.26selckinits OLD
21:22.29selckinthats all you need to know
21:22.34selckinlike ethernet
21:22.35p3limAnything that i would even need?
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21:22.50selckinway packets are transmitted over wire
21:23.08Arrowmasterits a layer 2 protocal
21:23.29p3limWould I need it for my everyday chores, like browsing internet, playing games, using git/SVN/FTP etc?
21:23.37Arrowmasterno
21:23.39selckinnope
21:23.54selckinwould be impressive to find someone using it still, except maybe some old bank
21:24.10p3limOld banks? Oh well, disable that feature then :p
21:24.17selckinbanks never upgrade :p
21:26.15elite3vilMy old highschool uses one
21:26.19ZyndromeRANDOM LOOT IS RANDOM
21:26.48Zyndromewe've been killing Illidan since March, and only 2 OH glaives have dropped ... then comes this other guild, and get both glaives in 2 illidan kills
21:27.28Zyndromein 2 weeks :\
21:27.38Pizik_afklifes a bitch ;o)
21:28.43selckinwe have 39% drop rate on em
21:29.50Zyndromebut then we've had more glaives than healmace >_>
21:30.59Kuosii've never seen the heal mace drop
21:31.21Kuosiand i have mh glaive on my "alt" rogue
21:32.55Zyndromebut then the "icecream cone" heal mace of Twins have a steady droprate for us
21:35.20NeoTronsick
21:35.26NeoTronwe've gotten one MH in the past 6 months
21:35.55selckinwe have more warglaives and all other guilds combinded horde+allience
21:36.32selckinbut random loot is random!
21:36.51selckinwe get like 85% prot tokens too
21:37.10Zyndromeand we get 85% vanq tokens
21:37.28Zyndromegoing for min dkp
21:37.35Zyndromeother tokens drop, people max it
21:38.00selckinprot/vanq min dkp, conq max
21:38.11selckinlike half the runs we get no conq drops at all
21:42.06Zyndromeand the leather drops
21:42.09Zyndromeoh god the leather..
21:42.29selckinmh is healing offhand
21:47.04NeoTronwith Naxxramas they realized that random legendaries is bad
21:47.15NeoTronand made the item drop more frequently but require multiple components
21:47.39NeoTronand the mote system to make primal farming more even
21:47.53NeoTronyet they return to low drop rate item for BC legendaries
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21:50.38Zyndromejust wish the pattern-droprate in SWP wasn't complete utter buttshit
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21:50.58Arrowmasterdont we all
21:51.12Arrowmasterweve gotten 2 of the melee jc neck patterns and thats it
21:51.42NeoTronI want the jc neck to drop
21:51.46NeoTronsince I'm the only one that can use it
21:52.46Zyndromeoh well, Illidan now, can't wait to see another fukken cloth-head and skull drop....
21:52.51Zyndrome-_-
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21:55.08EllipsisI'll take the skull if you don't want it
21:55.37NeoTronZyndrome: man that'd be nice
21:55.45NeoTronwe've gotten two of each
21:56.23Zyndromeall our casters got them...
21:56.40NeoTronlucky SoB's
21:56.49Ellipsis-.-
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21:58.35Pizik_afkIf mob loot is created on the spawn of the mob, how does that handle quest rrelated loott?
21:59.14Tenchworksit's always there, you jsut have to be marked as able to veiw/recieve those items
21:59.39Tenchworksi remember a blue post about it a month or so back explaing it somewhat
22:00.46Pizik_afkthtank you kindly, do blue posts identify the individuaol as GM, DDev or admin?
22:01.15CIA-4403toadkiller * r77297 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
22:01.16CIA-44LibPeriodicTable-3.1:
22:01.16CIA-44-- Various Summer Festival Items
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22:02.57TenchworksI'm pretty sure it was drysc who posted (but don't quote me there) so that would probally be under GM
22:04.26Pizik_afkI do question how much GMs actually know about the code to justify an solid answer like that
22:04.38Arrowmasterhes more of a CM
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22:05.33Arrowmasterthe 'GM's are the ones you ususally find in the support forums and doing general moderator stuff, and those are the ones that are most likely to be incorrect
22:05.56Arrowmasteryou wont find many Devs on the forums other than the UI section
22:06.00Pizik_afkCM?
22:06.18Arrowmasteror the support section
22:06.23Tenchworkswell a note there on questioning GM's knowledge of game info, the original set of GM's know thier stuff (the ones who have been there since before patch 1.6 or so) the ones who came on after got progessively more like dealing with calling centers in india....
22:07.01Ellipsisas a general rule, blue just means blizzard pays them, it doesn't guarantee any level of knowledge or correctness
22:07.11Tenchworkstrue
22:07.19Arrowmasteryeah most the blues on the forums are GMs (support) or CMs and not Devs
22:08.12Arrowmasterbut the CMs have usually been around a long time so they know a lot
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22:08.42Ironhandis there a known issue that causes mouse clicks to sometimes not be registered on mouseover tooltips for FuBar addons ("tablets" I think they're called?) that have clickable options?
22:09.23vithosIronhand, i know in Expo if you have the refresh module turned on it'll happen
22:09.48vithosthe more often it refreshes the more clicks are missed
22:10.16IronhandI don't think I have Expo (not manually installed at least), could it be a dependency on another addon that's included it?
22:10.35vithosExpo is just an example of an addon that has a fubar plugin that i've seen it happen with
22:10.38Ironhandor do you mean "refresh" is a separate addon?
22:11.14vithosrefresh is just an expo option, only applies to its own fubar tooltip
22:11.23vithoswhich addon are you having the issue with?
22:11.45Ironhandmostly BattlegroundFu (particularly when trying to link objective timers in AV) and switching sets in ClosetGnome
22:11.57vithosare the timers updating in realtime?
22:12.04vithoson the tooltip
22:12.12Ironhandyes
22:12.23vithosi'd bet that's why then
22:12.31vithosbut i haven't had it happen with closetgnome ever
22:12.51Ironhandon ClosetGnome it's mostly when shift+clicking to edit a set
22:13.15Ironhandhmmm, BattlegroundFu doesn't seem to have any refresh option
22:14.46vithosthe refresh thing i was talking about is expo only.
22:14.53Ironhandyeah, I understood that
22:15.31vithosnot sure if the issue is fixable in dewdrop or not
22:15.41vithosall i know is you're not the only one who's had that problem
22:16.59Ironhandsounds like this is a proper bug then... any idea what the proper addon/library would be to report it or look for existing reports?
22:17.05vithosthough the easy workaround would be to make battlegroundfu not refresh the tooltip while it's shown
22:17.28vithosi think it'd be a dewdrop bug
22:17.33Zyndromenope
22:17.38Zyndromeno glaive this week either!
22:17.43Zyndromespits on failidan
22:18.31Kirkburn|sleepZyndrome, you appear to be raiding the wrong person
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22:21.07Zyndromeoh well, got my second T6 chest :<
22:21.21Kuosii should take one too
22:21.27Kuosifor resi ench
22:21.28Kuosiand gems
22:26.49Pkekyo|I hate you Zyndrome :p
22:27.17Zyndromesweet, I got it for min dkp as well, as second mainspecc
22:27.46Zyndromegrins right at Pkekyo|
22:28.21Ellipsiseats Pkekyo|
22:28.39Chompersom nom nom
22:28.45ChompersSPIT IT OUT
22:28.51Ellipsisbut it's yummy :(
22:33.51Pkekyo|plonks Ellipsis
22:34.07Pkekyo|really is yummy...
22:34.18Pkekyo|has been accused of tasting like strawberries o.O'
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22:35.00ZiconThat's it, I'm hunting down pkekyo| for a taste...
22:35.20Pkekyo|Zyndrome: "second  mainspecc"?
22:35.20Pkekyo|exactly how many mainspeccs can you have?
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22:35.37ZyndromeIm paladin, and Im switching between Holy and Retri
22:35.40Ironhandin Baggins, how do I stop my "New" section (containing "New Items") from making items no longer match "Unfiltered Items"?
22:35.49Pkekyo|stfu and heal
22:35.56Zyndromeno
22:36.11profalbertIronhand: use Priorities maybe?
22:36.43Ironhandprofalbert: I'm doing that... without much success, unfortunately
22:36.51Pkekyo|tried touching yourself?
22:37.36profalbertIronhand: you allow duplicates?
22:37.54Ironhandprofalbert: I allow duplicates under "New" but not under "Other"
22:38.12Ironhandprofalbert: or should that be the other way around?
22:38.46profalbertIronhand: I think you'll have to allow them in both
22:40.38Ironhandprofalbert: tried, still no luck
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22:43.44NeoTronso we got a new feral druid
22:43.47NeoTronwho never got the SSC staff
22:44.05NeoTronand he's basically fucked over for good tanking weapons since there's nothing beyond SSC worth mentionin
22:44.43VonhintenHOME`the badge staff
22:45.52Aens|Superiorityuhh
22:45.59Aens|Superioritythe sunwell staff is amazing
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22:46.47Aens|Superiorityenchanted, its 7.7% dodge, loosing 50 sta and armor but dodge is by far the better stat for sunwell content.
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22:49.33NeoTronlack of armor is pretty bid
22:50.01Aens|Superiorityand, the antheron staff is good for a tier 6 staff in bt as fights where a druid need to tank, are about taking less damage, not dodging it.
22:50.27NeoTronare you a feral druid?
22:50.29Aens|Superioritylack of armor means very little as dodge means so much more.  Dodging on brutallus, dodging on m'uru.
22:50.30Aens|Superiorityyes
22:51.02NeoTronthe hyjal one lacks agi entirely
22:51.06Aens|SuperiorityPlayed all 3 roles on all fights cept muru, yet to heal it.  Haven't downed muru yet.
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22:51.08NeoTronif the str was agi it'd be great
22:51.36Aens|Superioritythe hyjal one gives 100 sta 550 armor which is good for bloodboil and council, which is all you need a feral druid for in bt.
22:53.15NeoTronwe're however in SWP and really don't run hyjal anymore
22:53.20NeoTronwhich makes that a pain by itself
22:53.25NeoTronand it's still not as good as the SSC staff
22:53.28Aens|Superioritysimply put, in full hyjal/bt gear, the gear you get from that instance, is ideal.
22:53.39Aens|Superiorityand in sunwell, the gear you get from sunwell is ideal for it
22:53.59NeoTronare you armor capped w/o staff?
22:55.16Aens|Superioritywith ancestral/inspiration, i'm almost at 75% cap vs L73
22:56.33NeoTronour feral mt is about 1k away from cap w/o inspiration
22:56.45Aens|Superioritythere's only 2 fights so far where i've been gibbed to a gear issue, and thats kalec and m'uru.  Rest is easy as hell.
22:58.04Aens|Superioritybrutallus just pop an armor pot and barkskin before the taunt.  Don't even tank on felmyst.  Kalec was a pain cause of healer rotations at first.  M'uru, its about dodge, not armor.
22:58.08NeoTronI still think the general opinion is that althoyugh not useless, the SWP staff is not ever close to an optimal tanking staff.
22:58.11NeoTrongreat for dps though
22:58.39NeoTronwhy is m'uru about dodge if I might ask? We haven't done it yet for real, just got twins down last week
22:58.51Aens|Superioritycause the adds dont have sunwell radiance and are L71
22:59.07Aens|Superiorityin addition, the flurry is what kills the add tanks, not the individual hits
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23:00.02Aens|Superiorityhaving only one or two healers to heal  two mobs that hit you for either 4500 or 4000 every second, yeah, i'd rather dodge a 4500 than take the 4000.
23:00.28NeoTronthen I can see your point
23:00.40NeoTronhowever you have to admit feral druid tanking staff itemization is.. limited
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23:00.50NeoTronin general feral druids get the shaft with very few alternatives
23:00.52NeoTronif any
23:01.07Aens|Superioritywhen taken out of context, sure.
23:01.22Aens|Superioritywithout knowing the fights where i'd be using the pillar, i thought it was crap
23:01.43Aens|Superiorityturns out, i banked my wildfury before we even downed archimonde.
23:02.07NeoTronweird then since our druid still uses it just fine
23:02.24NeoTronand in fact is really easy to heal, relatively speaking, on all first 4 swp fights
23:03.19Aens|Superiorityas I said, only 2 fights where I got gibbed cause of gear issue. muru and kalec.
23:03.19NeoTronnever the less our mt druid also has  an avoidance set (used primarily for RoS today)
23:04.02breserHow do you get gibbed on Kalecgos?
23:04.17NeoTronmost typically due to rotations being messed up
23:04.31NeoTronbut the demon hits like a truck
23:04.34breserYeah but that's not because of gear, but because someone screwed up.
23:04.45breserThat's true the demon does hit hard.
23:05.12NeoTrontank deaths was one of our main hurdles on kalecgos
23:05.19NeoTronand on brutallus
23:05.23breserTank deaths on the end?
23:05.27NeoTronno
23:05.36NeoTronproblem was getting to the end >:-)
23:05.41Aens|Superioritybreser: demon stun was a problem
23:05.54NeoTronstun is another time when armor > dodge btw
23:05.58Aens|Superioritybreser: and I was using mitigation gear for that.
23:06.00NeoTronso on kalecgos armor clearly is better
23:06.15NeoTronbut free action potions help with that issue too
23:06.23Aens|Superioritycan't use fap as a druid
23:06.32breserArmor is generally better in SW anyway isn't it simply becuase of the debuff in there.
23:06.34NeoTronyou can
23:06.52Aens|Superiorityliving action maybe.
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23:07.11NeoTronwhat are you talking about?
23:07.38NeoTronpop potion, shift, taunt
23:07.42NeoTronwhat's so hard about that?
23:07.50breserI guess I can see it somewhat.  We did have issues with tank death on Kalecgos but in every case I can recall someone hosed up the rotation or a helaer died.
23:07.55NeoTrondoesn't remove 100% of it of course, it has a 2m cooldown
23:08.36Aens|Superioritybreser: yeah, its just that when learning it, sometimes having tools available to not die when isolated is useful.
23:08.58NeoTronour druid mainly died
23:09.09NeoTronironically because the warrior/pally tanks lost aggro so often and druid did not
23:10.43NeoTronon brutallus we got our first kill with 2 druid tanks. warrior tanks are still prone to being gibbed there.
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23:11.08NeoTronon felmyst we also use the druid tank due to better threat gen (allow for almost free DPS while in the air too) and survivability
23:11.44breserWe don't have a geared feral that shows up so we use Warriors for everything.
23:12.18NeoTronI'm sorry. ;-)
23:12.25Aens|Superioritytwo warriors, two ferals, one prot pally.  I get to spec moonkin for all but m'uru.
23:12.36Aens|Superioritycause the other druid can't handle m'uru adds
23:14.04breserWe do have a pally spec prot for Felmyst.
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23:14.47Aens|Superioritypallies all pop righteous fury and stand together lawl.  Makes it such a joke
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23:18.37NeoTronbreser: you don't even have a regular prot pally?
23:19.32breserNope
23:19.40NeoTronwow
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23:20.01NeoTronI can see different priority for various classes but going solely with prot warriors seems.. limited
23:20.18breserIt's not really by choice.
23:21.29breserIt's an issue of available talent and people that show up.
23:21.47breserThe prot wariors show up.  The feral druid doesn't.  Good prot pallies are really hard to find.
23:24.20NeoTronheh
23:24.36NeoTronwe have one prot pally.. not the best player I've seen but since prot pally is mostly stand and consecrate he's ok
23:24.47NeoTronbut we also have one holy and one ret pally with good prot gears
23:24.56NeoTronin fact the ret pally also has good healing gear
23:26.23Chompers5 wipes on akama
23:26.29Chompersi hate this game sometimes
23:26.34breserHow do you wipe on Akama?
23:26.47Chompersby playing with shit players, that's how
23:28.15Chompersnot seen RoS for 2 weeks now, wow needs to be single player
23:29.55ZiconWipe on Akama? How is that even possible? I wouldn't even believe that's a boss if there wasn't epix to be had...
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23:35.10NeoTronwow. we once wiped on akama ... that was a bad night
23:40.36vhaarrcrap tanks = akama wipe
23:42.24NeoTronnowadays we just ignore the adds entirely
23:42.29NeoTronwe get one set of adds and that's it
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23:43.49vhaarrwe only killed illidan twice, so we get 2 sets
23:44.00NeoTrondo you kill the adds?
23:44.26vhaarryes, although it probably isn't necessary
23:44.31vhaarrcould just tank them I guess
23:44.39NeoTrononly two set of adds while killing them seems reasonbly good
23:44.40Chompersi've not seen illidan yet
23:44.45Chompersannoying as hell
23:44.58vhaarrI guess if we just tanked the first set we wouldn't get a second one
23:44.58NeoTrontake the dps killing them and put them above and you should barely get 2 ?
23:45.02vhaarrye
23:45.06vhaarrwe'll do that next time, thanks
23:45.14NeoTronthe only thing that's annoying is random rain of fire
23:46.32Chompersdo other guilds have problems, or is it just our server
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23:59.08starlonHmm, this combat log entry's destName is "ts\TorsoUpperTexture\Robe_B_01Redder_Chest_TU_F.blp"

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