IRC log for #wowace on 20080726

`00:00.15`	`Xinhuan`	`without myself looking at the original source codes and data, i am sorta staying away from commenting`
`00:00.43`	`Industrial1`	`couldn't care less about copyright`
`00:00.52`	`Dashkal`	`fair enough`
`00:01.01`	`Xinhuan`	`my hunch that it _is_ plagarized, since he's done it before on another addon, and he hasn't stood up to defend himself yet`
`00:01.11`	`Dashkal`	`fair enough`
`00:01.30`	`Dashkal`	`Working under the assumption that Mazz is being truthful: WTF is that addon still doing in the repo?`
`00:02.14`	`*** join/#wowace Trell- (i=Trell_@201.Red-88-17-86.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`00:02.59`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: Greh.. Mazzle speaks sennse`
`00:03.03`	`Xinhuan`	`technically you can't remove it from the repo without modifying the history`
`00:03.07`	`Xuerian`	`I'm ashamed -_-;`
`00:03.19`	`Xinhuan`	`simply deleting it off the svn doesn't really delete it`
`00:03.19`	`Dashkal`	`if mazz is content with a simple svn rm, leave it at that :p`
`00:03.37`	`Dashkal`	`if mazz depends a full history rewrite... well, that's gonna happen regardless come wowace's changeover`
`00:05.51`	`Antiarc`	`17:05 Spam Nevado: If only reporting someone sent the report to the player's mom...`
`00:06.01`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`00:07.07`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79139 10/trunk/ (4 files): LibQuickHealth-1.0: Initial commit, this library tries to get around the healthbar update throttle of 0.3 seconds by parsing the combatlog for more accurate values.`
`00:07.34`	`cncfanatics`	`sigh`
`00:07.37`	`cncfanatics`	`miscommit`
`00:08.39`	`jaxdahl`	`is that like instanthealth?`
`00:09.14`	`cncfanatics`	`yea`
`00:09.19`	`cncfanatics`	`except I miscommitted it`
`00:09.24`	`cncfanatics`	`screwed up the commit completely -.-`
`00:09.28`	`Diao`	`lol`
`00:09.42`	`cncfanatics`	`comitting in trunk = bad`
`00:10.07`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`00:10.22`	`cncfanatics`	`and can't seem to fix my mess with turtoise either`
`00:10.30`	`sylvanaar`	`not as bad as deleting /branches like i did once`
`00:10.37`	`cncfanatics`	`heh`
`00:10.42`	`cncfanatics`	`sylvanaar: could you revert my last commit ?`
`00:10.51`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm not managing shit with turtoise`
`00:11.34`	`Xinhuan`	`slaps cncfanatics away with a large trout`
`00:11.43`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: Forshame`
`00:11.52`	`Xuerian`	`sylvanaar: lulz`
`00:11.57`	`jaxdahl`	`svn rv -r 79138, mod a file, svn co`
`00:12.07`	`cncfanatics`	`jaxdahl: turtoise can't do that :p`
`00:12.20`	`cncfanatics`	`on a crappy windowz atm`
`00:12.24`	`Xinhuan`	`just view the revision historyof /trunk in the repo browser`
`00:12.26`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: I believe you can delete through the repo browser`
`00:12.32`	`Xinhuan`	`and right-click to revert`
`00:12.32`	`Xuerian`	`.. or that`
`00:12.47`	`cncfanatics`	`repo browser`
`00:12.47`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm`
`00:12.54`	`cncfanatics`	`how long wld it take to load ? :p`
`00:12.56`	`cncfanatics`	`gonna try`
`00:12.59`	`jaxdahl`	`svn up -r 79138?`
`00:13.00`	`Xinhuan`	`30 seconds?`
`00:13.09`	`Xinhuan`	`pretty long, but not that long`
`00:13.21`	`*** part/#wowace {RN}Terra (n=none@69.182.165.247)`
`00:13.33`	`Xuerian`	`Not as long as when you're on dialup...`
`00:13.42`	`cncfanatics`	`wts git`
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`00:14.02`	`p3lim`	`anyone know how to make a piece of text flash? like between two colors (red and white)`
`00:14.19`	`Tuller`	`onupdate + setvertexcolor`
`00:14.26`	`*** part/#wowace Tenchworks (n=none@69.182.165.247)`
`00:14.35`	`jaxdahl`	`<blink>text</blink>`
`00:14.36`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79140 10/trunk/ (4 files): Revert cncfanatic's last commit`
`00:14.40`	`p3lim`	`SetVertexColor on a FontString?`
`00:14.45`	`cncfanatics`	`sylvanaar: <3 you`
`00:14.57`	`p3lim`	`jaxdahl: huh?`
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`00:15.23`	`Saroz`	`SVN FAIL DETECTED`
`00:15.27`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79141 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/ (5 files): LibQuickHealth-1.0: Initial commit, this library tries to get around the healthbar update throttle of 0.3 seconds by parsing the combatlog for more accurate values.`
`00:15.29`	`cncfanatics`	`Saroz: it got fixed`
`00:15.40`	`allen`	`:SetTextColor(r,g,b)`
`00:15.46`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: is working?`
`00:15.56`	`Industrial1`	`allen: he could have looked that up himself`
`00:16.04`	`Industrial1`	`p3lim: l2docs`
`00:16.23`	`allen`	`well i had the answer in paste already`
`00:16.24`	`allen`	`:p`
`00:16.29`	`Industrial1`	`:3`
`00:17.27`	`*** join/#wowace Industrial (n=Industri@194.145.194.227)`
`00:17.35`	`p3lim`	`Industrial: what docs?`
`00:17.41`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: is working`
`00:17.46`	`cncfanatics`	`give me a sec to commit pitbull & grid modules`
`00:17.52`	`cncfanatics`	`still tweaking those a bit`
`00:17.55`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: Via subscription and not forced update?`
`00:18.00`	`p3lim`	`what docs indy?`
`00:18.25`	`Industrial`	`p3lim api docs?`
`00:18.37`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: subscription`
`00:18.43`	`cncfanatics`	`forced updates are lame`
`00:18.45`	`cncfanatics`	`and bug out stuff`
`00:18.46`	`Xuerian`	`www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API`
`00:18.50`	`p3lim`	`-.-`
`00:18.51`	`cncfanatics`	`if u want forced updates try instanthealth :p`
`00:18.51`	`Xuerian`	`those are your new friends p3lim`
`00:18.59`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: Awesomecakes`
`00:19.13`	`p3lim`	`I know that, but how to make it flash between two colors is something i dont know`
`00:19.33`	`p3lim`	`I know how to make it flash by alpha, but not between two colors`
`00:19.39`	`Xuerian`	`FontString:SetVertexColor(r, g, b, a)`
`00:19.53`	`p3lim`	`SetTextColor(r, g, b) rather`
`00:20.19`	`Industrial`	`set a bool var, change it every onupdate, set color depending on value, done.`
`00:20.20`	`allen`	`do you mean instantly red <-> white`
`00:20.25`	`allen`	`or gradient`
`00:20.38`	`sylvanaar`	`you can look at bliz's implementation of UIFrameFlash`
`00:20.43`	`Xuerian`	`LayeredRegion:SetVertexColor(r, g, b[, alpha])`
`00:21.04`	`p3lim`	`gradient`
`00:21.07`	`Xuerian`	`p3lim: If you want fading instead of flashing, gradient style, look at LatencyAlert on the svn. It's alpha fading, but it sets up a basic animation`
`00:21.08`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79142 10PitBull_QuickHealth/ (. PitBull_QuickHealth.lua libs/): PitBull_QuickHealth: Initial Commit: Pitbull plugin so its health bar uses QuickHealth`
`00:21.17`	`Xuerian`	`and it's not as "blizzard" as uiframeflash`
`00:21.30`	`p3lim`	`fade ok, not flash`
`00:21.43`	`Xuerian`	`Take things with a grain of salt`
`00:21.48`	`Xuerian`	`That's what uiframeflash does`
`00:21.54`	`Xuerian`	`Even if it's named "flash"`
`00:21.58`	`p3lim`	`yeah`
`00:22.07`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> not 1`
`00:22.08`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: false`
`00:22.18`	`allen`	`(time/max,0,0) innit`
`00:22.18`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: random much?`
`00:22.27`	`*** join/#wowace Industri1l (n=Industri@194.145.194.227)`
`00:22.36`	`sylvanaar`	`whats up with your nick's indy`
`00:22.55`	`Industrial`	`cant connect to my ssh host somehow, using a webclient`
`00:23.04`	`Industrial`	`couldnt query, just ghosted myself and identified with the webclient`
`00:23.12`	`Industrial`	`apparently the server is still up but i cant reach it`
`00:23.14`	`cncfanatics`	`sigh, now how do you use externals again`
`00:23.23`	`Industrial`	`lol :p`
`00:23.41`	`sylvanaar`	`very carefully`
`00:23.49`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: Make a libs folder, set the properties on it`
`00:24.09`	`Xuerian`	`(checkout another addon and look at it is ezmode, btw) >_>`
`00:24.41`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79143 10PitBull_QuickHealth/ (. libs/): PitBull_QuickHealth: Delete empty libs folder and add externals setting`
`00:24.57`	`sylvanaar`	`actually i suggest setting it on your main addon folder - that's what you have to do at curse (at least before packagemeta)`
`00:25.07`	`p3lim`	`LatencyAlert's code made my head spin`
`00:25.12`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: did it on main folder`
`00:25.29`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics, sylvanaar: oh o_0`
`00:25.32`	`*** join/#wowace Tinyboom (n=nahh@108.84-49-90.nextgentel.com)`
`00:25.32`	`Xuerian`	`okay then :p`
`00:26.06`	`Tinyboom`	`Kemayo: ping`
`00:26.20`	`sylvanaar`	`im not sure if ckknight changed that requirement or not`
`00:26.27`	`ckknight`	`what's all this, then?`
`00:26.51`	`Xuerian`	`p3lim: What about it?`
`00:27.20`	`Xuerian`	`p3lim: Read from line 108, that's where the addon starts, really`
`00:27.23`	`sylvanaar`	`where to set your externals ckknight - curse was requiring you to set them at the addon folder level - do you still have to do that?`
`00:27.40`	`ckknight`	`it's in .pkgmeta`
`00:28.04`	`sylvanaar`	`right, but the path, does it begin at the addon folder, or at the lib folder`
`00:28.38`	`p3lim`	`all i want is a piece of text to "fade" between red and white`
`00:28.45`	`Industrial`	`does it matter? this is wowace.com not curseforge.coHO SHI-it will be.`
`00:28.57`	`Xuerian`	`lulz`
`00:29.12`	`sylvanaar`	`hey indy, want to coauthor prat 3.0 with me?`
`00:29.24`	`Xuerian`	`I think that'd give indy a hernia...`
`00:29.26`	`Xuerian`	`Or is that the point`
`00:29.34`	`jaxdahl`	`where do you think the average wow player will get their addons from 6 months from now?`
`00:29.45`	`Xuerian`	`jaxdahl: The "average" wow player?`
`00:29.48`	`Xuerian`	`Same place as always`
`00:29.55`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`Hell.`
`00:29.56`	`Xuerian`	`release sites with great reluctance`
`00:30.05`	`Industrial`	`I dont care about the average wow player :D`
`00:30.26`	`Tinyboom`	`wants bleeding edge.... :)`
`00:30.27`	`sylvanaar`	`Xinhuan just trying to inject some humor`
`00:30.30`	`Industrial`	`sylvanaar: http://github.com/Industrial/idaddon/tree/master/module/chat`
`00:30.34`	`Industrial`	`\o/`
`00:30.46`	`Industrial`	`its my new mega congolmerate mod`
`00:30.46`	`Xuerian`	`tree/master/module/wtf?`
`00:30.56`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`Who wouldn't want to give Indy a hernia?`
`00:31.03`	`Industrial`	`tree/master is git :P`
`00:31.12`	`jaxdahl`	`does it involve touching, Kirkburn?`
`00:31.47`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`jaxdahl, is that a condition?`
`00:31.48`	`sylvanaar`	`Industrial nice - now lets add in prat's 33 modules`
`00:31.55`	`jaxdahl`	`yes`
`00:31.55`	`Industrial`	`die`
`00:32.00`	`Industrial`	`what for`
`00:32.10`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm looking into starting to write addon(s) again, what's the best ref site these days?`
`00:32.24`	`Industrial`	`wowwiki.com and wowprogramming.com`
`00:32.30`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`^`
`00:32.31`	`Industrial`	`and lua.org and lua-users.org`
`00:32.35`	`sylvanaar`	`Industrial lol`
`00:32.42`	`Primer`	`bah, can't pull up my toons on the beta pvp realm`
`00:32.59`	`Primer`	`finally`
`00:33.09`	`Industrial`	`sylvanaar: not I've added a tradespam blocker a few days ago. people were driving me mad :P`
`00:33.12`	`cncfanatics`	`oooh`
`00:33.14`	`cncfanatics`	`I remember something`
`00:33.19`	`Industrial`	`i have that too!`
`00:33.28`	`cncfanatics`	`who wrote that mod again that messed with the environment of some function ?`
`00:33.31`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm gonna do the same for this`
`00:33.31`	`jaxdahl`	`quick, someone register www.betalichking.com`
`00:34.02`	`allen`	`got my arthasdk ready`
`00:34.06`	`*** join/#wowace Sliker_Hawk (n=SlikerHa@212.32.98.61)`
`00:34.09`	`*** join/#wowace Soulsbane (n=Soulsban@dial-69-55-136-43.sofnet.net)`
`00:34.45`	`jaxdahl`	`whenever i start wotlk wow.exe, my regular wow.exe install keeps complaining about hardware changed -- this happen to anyone else?`
`00:34.49`	`Industrial`	`np: Tamaki Nami - Reason (Gundam Seed Destiny OST)`
`00:35.07`	`Industrial`	`no, because I dont have the beta yet`
`00:35.12`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`00:35.18`	`sylvanaar`	`hrm, why did the EU authors get keys before the US ones?`
`00:35.26`	`Industrial`	`<- eu`
`00:35.33`	`jaxdahl`	`<- blizzcon`
`00:35.40`	`Industrial`	`^ cheater`
`00:35.42`	`Primer`	`<-- knows someone at blizz`
`00:35.45`	`Industrial`	`^ cheater`
`00:35.49`	`sylvanaar`	`<- impatient`
`00:35.52`	`jaxdahl`	`^ jealous`
`00:35.55`	`Primer`	`<-- > you`
`00:36.07`	`jaxdahl`	`^ made an illogical statement`
`00:36.07`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`00:36.08`	ag`	`Why the fuck do I have to submit my addons to get a key :P`
`00:36.40`	`Industrial`	`cause ur lazy`
`00:36.46`	ag`	`I know :(`
`00:36.54`	ag`	`why can't wowace get keys and give one to me`
`00:36.58`	`Primer`	`well, looks like the beta pvp realm is taking it up the ass right now`
`00:37.00`	`Xuerian`	`that way ->`
`00:37.02`	ag`	`maybe I get bugger Kaelten`
`00:37.06`	`jaxdahl`	`yea primer`
`00:37.09`	`jaxdahl`	`can't enter world`
`00:37.11`	`Industrial`	it will once its all cursed up ag`
`00:37.12`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`00:37.16`	`Industrial`	`hides`
`00:37.26`	ag`	`Industrial: I mean, isn't it already`
`00:37.58`	ag`	`Kaelten is probably swimming in beta keys`
`00:38.04`	ag`	`I bet he made an account for his dog`
`00:38.07`	ag`	`and his goldfish`
`00:38.50`	`ckknight`	`lol, he's not`
`00:38.53`	`sylvanaar`	`they dont go out until monday`
`00:38.58`	`ckknight`	`also, no dog to my knowledge`
`00:38.59`	`ccKep`	`all u gotta be is one of his pets then ;)`
`00:39.10`	`Industrial`	`like hell`
`00:39.10`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`00:39.25`	`jaxdahl`	`Primer, i'm in now`
`00:39.42`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79144 10PitBull_QuickHealth/PitBull_QuickHealth.lua: PitBull_QuickHealth: Set a fake environment on the Updater function so it uses our UnitHealth instead of the blizz one. (thanks malreth & iriel for that idea)`
`00:40.16`	`*** join/#wowace selckin (n=selckin@78-22-100-64.access.telenet.be)`
`00:40.18`	`p3lim`	`when does WoWI give out the beta keys?`
`00:40.20`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: I've been at the loading screen for like 10 minutes`
`00:40.29`	`jaxdahl`	`i wasn't on it for that long`
`00:40.36`	`*** join/#wowace RLD_osx (n=rldempse@66-169-191-207.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com)`
`00:40.38`	`Primer`	`perhaps I exaggerate`
`00:40.46`	`jaxdahl`	`well, what world is your char in?`
`00:41.06`	`jaxdahl`	`i logged into dalaran, took a while, ported to shattrath, now it looks like i'm gonna be stuck again`
`00:41.12`	ag`	`ckknight: so he does have a goldfish or what?`
`00:41.13`	`Primer`	`there we go`
`00:41.14`	ag`	`http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf`
`00:41.20`	`ckknight`	`not to my knowledge`
`00:41.24`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: who are you in there?`
`00:41.26`	`ckknight`	`all he has is a daughter, to my knowledge`
`00:41.31`	`ckknight`	`that's like a pet, right?`
`00:41.32`	`ckknight`	`sorta.`
`00:41.35`	`Primer`	`and, alliance or horde?`
`00:41.36`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79145 10Grid_QuickHealth/ (. Grid_QuickHealth.lua Grid_QuickHealth.toc): Grid_QuickHealth: Initial Commit: grid plugin so its health bar uses QuickHealth`
`00:41.48`	ag`	`okay, you just mentioned that he didn't have a dog, without talking about the goldfish :P`
`00:41.49`	ag`	`yeah`
`00:41.53`	ag`	`it is kinda the same really`
`00:42.16`	ag`	`how am I ever going to want kids if I don't even want a dog`
`00:42.35`	`Xinhuan`	`i thought you said youwouldn't use something like that cncfanatics, co it only benefits you 60 ms ;p`
`00:42.39`	`Xinhuan`	`cos*`
`00:42.54`	ag`	`I could use another skilled arena buddy though, so getting a kid might not be such a bad idea`
`00:43.18`	ag`	`dogs can't play arena`
`00:43.28`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79146 10Grid_QuickHealth/: Grid_QuickHealth: add externals`
`00:43.41`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan: I wouldn't use it if it tainted half of the blizz UI`
`00:43.48`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: I'm Barfolomeu, in IF (Alliance, obviously)`
`00:44.22`	`*** join/#wowace quoin (n=quoin@114-30-104-229.ip.adam.com.au)`
`00:47.46`	`jaxdahl`	`i wonder if they're stress testing stuff, or just too many active users`
`00:48.14`	`jaxdahl`	`guild masters got invites, if i read things correctly`
`00:51.11`	`Xinhuan`	`not all`
`00:51.12`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: what's your character on the pvp test realm?`
`00:51.21`	`Xinhuan`	`only like the top 100 guilds or something`
`00:51.26`	`Xinhuan`	`which is pretty dumb`
`00:52.15`	`jaxdahl`	`i have a couple`
`00:52.22`	`jaxdahl`	`Ferrante, 59 DK, Forcep 70 rogue`
`00:52.23`	`*** join/#wowace Groktar (n=Groktar_@76-236-38-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net)`
`00:52.34`	`jaxdahl`	`nobody has gotten the ferrante reference yet`
`00:52.48`	`jaxdahl`	`alliance side.`
`00:53.52`	`NivFreak`	`are player guids unique or always static?`
`00:53.58`	`jaxdahl`	`i want to try my hand at making some DK related addons, particulary for rune stuff`
`00:54.47`	`jaxdahl`	`Players keep their GUID forever, and are unique even in cross-server battlegrounds.`
`00:54.50`	`jaxdahl`	`according to slouken`
`00:54.59`	`jaxdahl`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=44201363100&sid=1#231`
`00:55.42`	`NivFreak`	`hrmm`
`00:55.57`	`NivFreak`	`so I assume even after a name change? ;)`
`00:56.20`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: mad lag`
`00:56.31`	`NivFreak`	`reads the thread`
`00:56.33`	`jaxdahl`	`NivFreak, someone asked that`
`00:56.37`	`jaxdahl`	`but i don't think he responded`
`00:57.20`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`00:57.31`	`NivFreak`	`I saw`
`00:57.45`	`jaxdahl`	`"My empirical studies has shown that this is not true, certain actions like transfering and renaming your character will give you a new GUID. Restoring a character from backup is untested wether it restores the old GUID or not."`
`00:57.47`	`jaxdahl`	`from wowwiki`
`00:57.54`	`NivFreak`	`damn`
`00:57.57`	`NivFreak`	`thanks`
`00:57.59`	`CIA-45`	`03saroz * r79147 10sRaidFrames/Bindings.xml: sRaidFrames: Fix keybinding functions`
`00:58.10`	`selckin`	`0xa28 unitflag is control_npc + type_npc ?`
`00:58.14`	`jaxdahl`	`you can actually tell the age of a character though`
`00:58.33`	`jaxdahl`	`relatively.`
`00:58.40`	`jaxdahl`	`newer char, higher guid`
`00:59.22`	`selckin`	`0xa28 unitflag is control_npc + type_npc ? why is a totem an npc :\`
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`00:59.46`	`cncfanatics`	`selckin: what else wld it be ? a player ?`
`00:59.52`	`jaxdahl`	`pet`
`00:59.54`	`selckin`	`object?`
`00:59.56`	`selckin`	`or pet`
`01:00.00`	`selckin`	`anything but npc`
`01:00.11`	`cncfanatics`	`pets are npc's`
`01:00.26`	`jaxdahl`	`look up the definition of NPC ;)`
`01:00.52`	`jaxdahl`	`Primer, i keep getting 'disconnected from server'`
`01:00.53`	`selckin`	`control_player, type_object or something for a totem`
`01:01.01`	`selckin`	`not control_npc type_npc, makes no sense`
`01:01.38`	`CIA-45`	`03saroz * r79148 10sRaidFrames/Bindings.xml: sRaidFrames: wups`
`01:01.46`	`Xinhuan`	`it means its a pet`
`01:01.52`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e you control it, and its an npc`
`01:02.16`	`Xinhuan`	`anything that isn't a player itself is a NPC`
`01:03.46`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: Gonna try out your lib now that I'm done trying to find the currently popular bug involving xloot`
`01:03.53`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: not rdy yet`
`01:03.59`	`Xuerian`	`No?:9`
`01:04.00`	`cncfanatics`	`well, at least the grid & pitbull modules aren't rdy`
`01:04.08`	`Tekkub`	`why does Arthas look like a total fag?`
`01:04.09`	`NeoTron`	`"guild masters got invites, if i read things correctly" source?`
`01:04.15`	`cncfanatics`	`thought I found an elegant solution, but it messes up`
`01:04.19`	`cncfanatics`	`pondering on how to do it now :D`
`01:04.30`	`jaxdahl`	`NeoTron, guild masters.`
`01:04.40`	`jaxdahl`	`http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/8429963192.htm`
`01:05.38`	`binder`	`weird`
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`01:05.45`	`binder`	`my autobar disappeared after last update`
`01:06.46`	`jaxdahl`	`i wish there were a way to get addons added without restarting the client`
`01:06.53`	`NeoTron`	`so unsubstantiated`
`01:07.48`	`cncfanatics`	`is there any way at all to get the local environment of a function ?`
`01:07.49`	`Xinhuan`	`what has that blue post got to do with guildmasters`
`01:08.21`	`NeoTron`	`seems like nothing to me :P`
`01:09.25`	`NeoTron`	`hmm seems like affliction currently is not viable dps.. at least with current gear`
`01:10.02`	`Xuerian`	`NeoTron: Tabbing three times to get to your name is annoying.`
`01:10.37`	`Xuerian`	`NeoTron: Anyway, affliction is fun. Plus, with CoE/CoS merged, we give a much better raid dps boost in large raids`
`01:11.25`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: bah`
`01:11.32`	`Primer`	`just when I was having fun`
`01:11.47`	`Primer`	`I was dueling this ret pally outside of IF in PVE gear and he crit me for 6100`
`01:11.51`	`Primer`	`I have 476 resilience`
`01:12.03`	`Primer`	`I'm like W T F!!`
`01:12.20`	`Primer`	`PVE _greens and blues_!!`
`01:12.22`	`Xuerian`	`Holy crap o_0`
`01:12.37`	`Ellipsis`	`ret pallies are always so full of crit`
`01:12.47`	`selckin`	`beta paladins are more fun 20K crits`
`01:12.49`	`Primer`	`he was telling me that higher level ret pallies are one shotting similarly leveled clothies`
`01:13.09`	`NeoTron`	`except the test doesn't include a felhunter`
`01:13.20`	`NeoTron`	`which I presume will become an extra 100-300 dps at least`
`01:13.31`	`Primer`	`I was full affliction in the duel`
`01:13.41`	`Primer`	`I was able to beat him a few times`
`01:13.48`	`Primer`	`only via fear/DC/spell lock`
`01:13.51`	`NeoTron`	`so are ret pallies overtuned atm?`
`01:13.52`	`jaxdahl`	`yea i tried to duel a couple paladins with my rogue`
`01:13.54`	`jaxdahl`	`i had no chance`
`01:14.01`	`Primer`	`NeoTron: fucking A they are`
`01:14.05`	`jaxdahl`	`neotron, yea they're slightly broken`
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`01:14.44`	`Primer`	`jaxdahl: did you notice the server went "Shutdown in 15 minutes", then 30 second later "Shutdown in 4 minutes"?`
`01:15.01`	`Primer`	`I was just starting to have some fun!`
`01:15.04`	`sylvanaar`	`"Dear blizz, as compensation for stealing my name in TBC, please send me my beta key today, love sylv"`
`01:15.14`	`jaxdahl`	`Primer, they do that often`
`01:15.20`	`jaxdahl`	`when they want a speedy restart`
`01:15.22`	`NeoTron`	`Primer: timephased`
`01:15.29`	`Primer`	`so it's just a restart? Is it back?`
`01:15.35`	`jaxdahl`	`dunno`
`01:15.40`	`Primer`	`heh, I logged`
`01:15.40`	`jaxdahl`	`there's no distinction`
`01:15.42`	`Primer`	`I'm at work`
`01:15.54`	`jaxdahl`	`on live last week my realm went from 15:00 to 60 seconds`
`01:16.01`	`Primer`	`I was hoping to get a picture of wotlk running on one LCD, and wow on the other`
`01:16.04`	`Primer`	`all on the same box`
`01:16.11`	`jaxdahl`	`they apparently don't have a function to do a shutdown for x time`
`01:16.11`	`Primer`	`it was actually playable`
`01:16.16`	`jaxdahl`	`they have to initiate one then change the time`
`01:16.35`	`jaxdahl`	`it's still offline`
`01:16.49`	`Primer`	`I should probably copy a character to the pve realm too`
`01:16.55`	`Primer`	`How does starting a DK work, btw?`
`01:17.00`	`Xuerian`	`sylvanaar: eh?`
`01:17.01`	`Primer`	`you just create a new one, and it's 55?`
`01:17.30`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: Work moar`
`01:17.34`	`jaxdahl`	`yes Primer`
`01:17.42`	`Primer`	`Guess I'll have to make one`
`01:17.49`	`Primer`	`saw a level 75 DK while I was on earlier`
`01:17.56`	`Primer`	`talk about "having too much free time"`
`01:18.08`	`jaxdahl`	`75? wow`
`01:18.08`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: nearly done`
`01:18.10`	`Primer`	`<-- wishes he had tons of free time`
`01:18.11`	`cncfanatics`	`this should work`
`01:18.17`	`cncfanatics`	`let me check timestamps of the updates`
`01:18.21`	`cncfanatics`	`I'll tell you if it does`
`01:18.21`	`Xuerian`	`wewt.`
`01:18.31`	`sylvanaar`	`Xuerian my toon was named sylvanaar before they named the tbc town sylvanaar...that what you were asking?`
`01:18.50`	`Xuerian`	`sylvanaar: Ahh yeah.`
`01:18.53`	`Groktar`	`Everyone who plays more than me has no life, and anyone who plays less is a noob.`
`01:18.54`	`Primer`	`doh, both realms are down`
`01:19.01`	`Xuerian`	`Groktar: qft`
`01:19.03`	`Primer`	`oh well, I guess that means it's time to go home`
`01:19.09`	`sylvanaar`	`Xinhuan thats what I get for trying to make an authentic elf name`
`01:24.21`	`binder`	`how do you move the bars with class timers?`
`01:25.10`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm`
`01:25.26`	`jaxdahl`	`http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip`
`01:25.32`	`jaxdahl`	`my winrar says it's corrupt`
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`01:28.14`	`selckin`	`jaxdahl: worksforme`
`01:28.20`	`selckin`	`jaxdahl: redownload?`
`01:28.56`	`sylvanaar`	`"Blizzard FTP Site Full"`
`01:29.00`	`jaxdahl`	`4th time the charm`
`01:29.37`	`selckin`	`2e7ff53e454e781f0afb294e6b720d08 AddOnKit.zip`
`01:29.39`	`cncfanatics`	`sigh, something not working`
`01:29.42`	`cncfanatics`	`and I'm getting tired -.-`
`01:35.18`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79149 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: cleanups, remove 2 tables`
`01:36.55`	`Xuerian`	`Doh X.x`
`01:37.04`	`binder`	`Does anyone know how to move the bars with classtimers?`
`01:37.23`	`Ellipsis`	`close your eyes and wish very hard`
`01:37.52`	`binder`	`...`
`01:37.59`	`Ellipsis`	`shrugs`
`01:38.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`are they locked?`
`01:38.01`	`Ellipsis`	`did it work?`
`01:38.16`	`binder`	`I can't move them so I guess so`
`01:38.30`	`binder`	`and there isn't any help on it in the website`
`01:38.42`	`jaxdahl`	`/classtimer`
`01:38.51`	`binder`	`thanks`
`01:38.54`	`jaxdahl`	`uncheck 'lock'`
`01:38.56`	`jaxdahl`	`and there you go`
`01:39.55`	`binder`	`thanks`
`01:40.02`	`binder`	`ok what version is going to have that option?`
`01:40.17`	`binder`	`because I don't see a 'lock' checkbox anywhere`
`01:40.24`	`jaxdahl`	`i use a pretty recent version`
`01:40.26`	`jaxdahl`	`it's right on the top`
`01:40.41`	`binder`	`lol`
`01:40.43`	`binder`	`I found it`
`01:40.51`	`binder`	`was looking through each submenu for it`
`01:40.53`	`jaxdahl`	`78445 is what i have`
`01:40.54`	`jaxdahl`	`heh`
`01:41.35`	`binder`	`lol`
`01:42.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`plonks Ellipsis. Hard. Sideways.`
`01:42.38`	`binder`	`I was getting more and more frustrated lol`
`01:43.18`	`binder`	`sweet this works just like ccwatch but with colors!`
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`01:43.39`	`Ellipsis`	`licks Pkekyo\|`
`01:43.51`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79150 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.xml: LibQuickHealth-1.0: Fix a typo that prevented callbackhandler from loading.`
`01:46.48`	`Xuerian`	`=O`
`01:46.49`	`Xuerian`	`Wasthat it?`
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`01:48.03`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: I'm having some very weird issues with the callbackhandler`
`01:49.10`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: I still don't knowwhat callbackhandler really is :D`
`01:49.52`	`cncfanatics`	`a callbackhandler`
`01:49.55`	`cncfanatics`	`thats all it rly is rly`
`01:50.15`	`Xuerian`	`Well, let me put it thisway`
`01:50.23`	`Xuerian`	`The obvious is eluding me. and my keyboard sucks`
`01:50.48`	`cncfanatics`	`ok, let me paste you two pieces of code`
`01:51.23`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastebin.com/d6b48036e and http://pastebin.com/d1a9e5bd0`
`01:51.28`	`cncfanatics`	`respecivly a grid and pitbull module`
`01:51.43`	`cncfanatics`	`the pitbull module is getting the callback (and this printing out the [PitBull] .. phrase`
`01:51.45`	`cncfanatics`	`the grid one ain't`
`01:51.53`	`cncfanatics`	`its the exact same code so I'm really wondering why`
`01:52.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`so... chatter has been updated for wotlk... what else?`
`01:52.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`parrot`
`01:53.22`	`Xuerian`	`Gnarfoz: XLoot should work...`
`01:53.35`	`Xuerian`	`At least the 1.0 branch`
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`01:54.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'd like non-default unitframes :<`
`01:55.39`	`Xuerian`	`Gnarfoz: The unitframe secure code is currently mid-change with 3.0`
`01:55.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, I heard.`
`01:55.50`	`Xuerian`	`No unitframes have been adapted for it beyond default afaik`
`01:55.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`just like Action Bars :<`
`01:56.06`	`Xuerian`	`So you're kinda stuck ;P`
`01:56.14`	`Stanzilla`	`there's a working version of ag_uf on wowi`
`01:56.16`	`Stanzilla`	`for wotlk`
`01:56.28`	`Xuerian`	`There you go`
`01:56.39`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79151 10StatBlock_Memory/ (StatBlock_Memory.lua StatBlock_Memory.toc): StatBlock_Memory: fix tooltip usage`
`01:58.22`	`syeren`	Funkeh`, did you fix it so ou can choose how many addons are diaplyed on Memory now?
`01:58.27`	`syeren`	`Having a huge list is X_X`
`01:58.34`	Funkeh`	`that was always an option`
`01:58.49`	`syeren`	`It wasn't in the one I tried with Databroker O_o;`
`01:58.52`	`syeren`	`Let me try again :p`
`01:59.05`	Funkeh`	`it's not in the gui`
`01:59.33`	`cncfanatics`	`aaah`
`01:59.34`	`cncfanatics`	`I get it`
`01:59.42`	`cncfanatics`	`little questions about callbackhandler`
`01:59.51`	`cncfanatics`	`how should I let addons using my lib register for events ? :p`
`01:59.56`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79152 10BigWigs_Naxxramas/Gluth.lua: BigWigs_Naxxramas: Gluth: bugfix`
`02:00.08`	`cncfanatics`	`seems just calling :RegisterCallback in each addon will overwrite old addon's registered callbacks`
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`02:00.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`is your lib embedable?`
`02:00.42`	Funkeh`	`syeren, /script SB_MEM_KILL = 10`
`02:01.02`	`cncfanatics`	`Arrowmaster: no`
`02:01.10`	`Xinhuan`	`haha i just thought of an rofl wowi contest idea ;p`
`02:01.12`	`Xinhuan`	`time to write it`
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`02:01.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`then theres no RegisterCallback in the addon to be called`
`02:01.25`	`syeren`	Thanks Funkeh`.
`02:01.34`	`cncfanatics`	`how should I listen for callbacks then ? :o`
`02:01.43`	`Stanzilla`	thanks Funkeh`
`02:01.45`	`cncfanatics`	`my lib does events:Fire(...);`
`02:01.54`	Funkeh`	`nps`
`02:02.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`by doing lib.RegisterCallback(addon, "Callback")`
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`02:02.47`	`cncfanatics`	`instead of lib:RegisterCallback`
`02:02.48`	`cncfanatics`	`ty`
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`02:03.14`	`*** part/#wowace {RN}Terra (n=none@69.182.180.66)`
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`02:06.31`	Funkeh`	`it is so hot in here`
`02:06.34`	Funkeh`	`I might melt`
`02:06.48`	Funkeh`	`and it's 3 am`
`02:06.53`	Funkeh`	`and it's scotland`
`02:07.23`	Funkeh`	`need ice in my bed to sleep`
`02:09.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`uhm`
`02:10.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`eu beta server down? :<`
`02:10.15`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: I'm done`
`02:10.30`	`cncfanatics`	`its 4am, but I'm done :p`
`02:12.09`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79153 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.lua: LibQuickHealth-1.0: Remove an empty line`
`02:12.37`	`profalbert`	`hmm... my guild wants to do naxx tomorrow`
`02:13.19`	Funkeh`	`I like the references to flexbar in the xml file...`
`02:13.24`	`profalbert`	`so the organizer told everybody to get "DeadlyBossMods" for old instances`
`02:13.33`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79154 10Grid_QuickHealth/ (Grid_QuickHealth.lua Grid_QuickHealth.toc): Grid_QuickHealth: Fix silly errors. It should be working now`
`02:13.48`	`jaxdahl`	`profalbert, and?`
`02:13.49`	`profalbert`	`BUT... DBM_Naxxramas hasn't been updated to 2.4-combatlog yet`
`02:14.01`	`jaxdahl`	`ah, rly?`
`02:14.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`profalbert: haha :P`
`02:14.03`	`profalbert`	`is toc 24000 though`
`02:14.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`profalbert: zarazinia whispered me earlier about naxx ^^`
`02:14.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`did you call the person a moron?`
`02:14.34`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79155 10PitBull_QuickHealth/PitBull_QuickHealth.lua: PitBull_QuickHealth: Fix silly errors. Should be working now.`
`02:14.38`	`profalbert`	`yep, just right now`
`02:14.48`	`profalbert`	`kind of`
`02:14.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`I certainly hope so. everyone recommending DBM for anything should be dealt with that way ;)`
`02:14.58`	`cncfanatics`	`profalbert: PitBull_QuickHealth & Grid_QuickHealth are up & should be working if u wanne try`
`02:15.19`	`profalbert`	`cncfanatics I'll do after I get some slep`
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`02:15.21`	`cncfanatics`	`but I'm going to bed`
`02:15.24`	`cncfanatics`	`its 4:15`
`02:15.27`	`cncfanatics`	`gnight peeps`
`02:15.31`	`profalbert`	`for me2 ;)`
`02:15.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`this whole 'calculate health client side' jazz really hasn't shown any difference for me, so far >_>`
`02:15.57`	`profalbert`	`it isn't _much_ of a difference`
`02:15.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`profalbert: why are beta servers down /cry`
`02:16.13`	`profalbert`	`you broke em`
`02:16.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`no wai`
`02:16.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`they worked earlier!`
`02:17.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`haha http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072308_064308.jpg`
`02:17.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`evul :>`
`02:17.19`	`profalbert`	`so I guess BigWigs_Naxxramas is fully 2.4-compatible, right?`
`02:18.27`	`mykx`	`hrm what is 'QuickHealth' something like InstantHealth ?`
`02:18.31`	Funkeh`	`the one on wowace as is`
`02:19.41`	`jaxdahl`	`honestely profalbert, i can't think of fights that need a boss mod at 70 in naxx`
`02:20.08`	`jaxdahl`	`stuff dies quickly`
`02:20.21`	`profalbert`	`well, I guess... but using DBM is _really_ pointless`
`02:20.30`	`jaxdahl`	`there's a naxx run going on on my realm now`
`02:20.37`	`profalbert`	`heh`
`02:20.44`	`profalbert`	`going in with 40 man?`
`02:21.18`	`jaxdahl`	`yea they have 40`
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`02:21.44`	`profalbert`	`ï»¿I did a naxx-run with ~10 good players and ~30 noobs earlier this year`
`02:22.31`	`profalbert`	`Heigan just rocks`
`02:22.40`	`profalbert`	`first dance --> 30 people dead`
`02:22.40`	Funkeh`	`heigan is the sweeper`
`02:22.48`	Funkeh`	`he cleans your raid on non essential players`
`02:22.53`	Funkeh`	`leaving you with about 5`
`02:22.54`	`profalbert`	`heh`
`02:23.02`	`jaxdahl`	`it's annoying though`
`02:23.02`	`profalbert`	`yeah, we killed him with 5 then`
`02:23.08`	`jaxdahl`	`i think he bugs out if you mind vision him or something`
`02:23.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Is there a UI restyling mod similar to Skinner without all the bloat Skinner has?`
`02:23.11`	`jaxdahl`	`goes under the floor`
`02:23.28`	Funkeh`	`kgpanels and do it yourself`
`02:23.52`	`profalbert`	`Gnarfoz: you coming tomorrow (well, actually today)`
`02:23.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`nope`
`02:24.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`16:00 ZA bear run`
`02:24.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`18:00 birthday BBQ at a friend's`
`02:24.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`I guess someone from my guild will, though`
`02:24.22`	`profalbert`	`ah, that sounds like a good plan`
`02:24.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`if you care, you could try paging one of our leaders again tomorrow, I'll likely forget to xD`
`02:25.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`zarazinia was kind of trying to avoid anyone from Krahkrah while not taking actual "randoms" ;)`
`02:25.26`	`mykx`	Funkeh`: where in Scotland do you live?
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`02:25.48`	Funkeh`	`small town near glasgow`
`02:26.00`	`mykx`	`ah I live in anstruther if you know where that is`
`02:26.14`	`mykx`	`far east of fife :o`
`02:26.27`	Funkeh`	`think I passed by, can't remember`
`02:26.32`	Funkeh`	`I have an uncle in fife so`
`02:26.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`whee I was in several small towns near glasgow last summer ;>`
`02:27.19`	`mykx`	`I really should sell my character and start playing on euro realms, makes no sense raiding at these hours ;p`
`02:27.43`	`CIA-45`	`03saroz * r79156 10BigWigs_Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs_Naxxramas: Less, ehm, more correct.`
`02:27.44`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79157 10BadBoy/ (BadBoy.lua BadBoy.toc): BadBoy: Updated filterset`
`02:28.07`	Funkeh`	`not usually up at these hours`
`02:28.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`lol looking at the route from back then, one of the funnier town names was "Dumfries"`
`02:28.24`	Funkeh`	`these are my "depressed" hours when Ive had a bad day`
`02:28.33`	`Saroz`	`awww`
`02:28.47`	`mykx`	`lol it's pronounced dum frees not dumb fries`
`02:28.53`	Funkeh`	`lol twat`
`02:29.42`	Funkeh`	`Saroz, now revert that`
`02:30.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`I even know that, but when you just read it, it's a funny name ;)`
`02:30.09`	`Saroz`	`why`
`02:30.20`	Funkeh`	`because I want it the way it was`
`02:30.20`	`mykx`	`lol yeah it is, we have lots of odd towns here`
`02:30.23`	`Saroz`	`why`
`02:30.28`	Funkeh`	`because I said so`
`02:30.34`	`Saroz`	`this is bigwigs policy`
`02:30.42`	Funkeh`	`what is bigwigs policy?`
`02:30.54`	Funkeh`	`did you see tactics in that message?`
`02:30.55`	Funkeh`	`no`
`02:30.55`	`Saroz`	`to not give hints or strategy shit in warnings`
`02:30.57`	Funkeh`	`now revert it`
`02:31.01`	`Saroz`	`bugsquaters out`
`02:31.10`	Funkeh`	`oh wow going to change cthun too?`
`02:31.26`	`Saroz`	`dunno, if I go there and cba`
`02:31.32`	Funkeh`	`no, revert it`
`02:31.39`	`Saroz`	`besides, it's spammy, this is easier to read`
`02:31.49`	Funkeh`	`no, it's a nice joke, and makes me smile`
`02:31.58`	`Saroz`	`wtf joke`
`02:32.14`	Funkeh`	`Ive asked to to revert it`
`02:32.16`	Funkeh`	`now do it`
`02:33.37`	`profalbert`	`<3 download-counter for addons. makes me happy to see people actually use my stuff`
`02:34.05`	`erikh`	`just curious, how do you test bigwigs? do you just go into an encounter and wipe a lot?`
`02:34.19`	Funkeh`	`a.k.a raiding?`
`02:34.27`	`erikh`	`well yeah, how it responds and so on`
`02:34.45`	`erikh`	`always wondered if there was a more efficient method`
`02:34.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`most of the mods are written at the bleeding edge level`
`02:34.47`	`Industrial`	`How do I get the time in milliseconds?`
`02:34.56`	`Industrial`	`I want to throttle BAG_UPDATe (dont tell me to use LibX)`
`02:35.03`	`Saroz`	`GetTime()`
`02:35.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`GetTime indeed`
`02:35.11`	`ulic`	`erikh: we record the logs while we are wiping, and we get other people to wipe for us :P`
`02:35.18`	`erikh`	`heh, fair enough.`
`02:35.19`	Funkeh`	`Industrial, thats a dumb question for you isn't it?`
`02:35.48`	Funkeh`	`I mean, you should know that :o`
`02:35.55`	`Industrial`	`well, I forget stuff.`
`02:36.05`	Funkeh`	`too much CTF`
`02:36.13`	`Industrial`	`time() didnt do it in milliseconds`
`02:36.29`	Funkeh`	`or whatever that mod was we were playing at like 5am`
`02:36.59`	`Primer`	`Bah, we need a beta realm status page`
`02:37.05`	`Primer`	`Is there none?`
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`02:37.19`	`ulic`	`some of us just need blizzard to send us our beta keys.`
`02:37.35`	Funkeh`	`I wouldnt rush much if there servers are down`
`02:37.49`	`mykx`	`does anybody know if they are done/even started with the opt in thing or are they doing blizzcon/dev keys first ?`
`02:38.46`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yay, got my new Mouse Skates in.`
`02:39.06`	`profalbert`	`I'll go get some sleep now... hope beta-realm is up tomorrow`
`02:39.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Though I'm a little disappointed with how "exact fit" my ones for my MX1000 aren't.`
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`02:39.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`They do seem to glide well though`
`02:42.44`	`vithos`	`~seen mecdemort`
`02:42.47`	`purl`	`mecdemort <n=chatzill@c-24-13-244-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 189d 50m 11s ago, saying: 'I'm getting some really weird results with agUF filter auras, all of the sudden it wont filter most of the buffs from other classes, any ideas?'.`
`02:43.16`	Funkeh`	`there is a name I haven't heard in a while`
`02:43.16`	`Industrial`	Funkeh`: tfc :p
`02:43.30`	Funkeh`	`yeah :P`
`02:43.42`	`vithos`	`Baggins_AnywhereBags is telling me lies :(`
`02:43.45`	`vithos`	`who do i bother`
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`02:44.45`	`vithos`	`or what alternatives are there, considering it's hardly integrated with baggins anyway`
`02:47.44`	`Xinhuan`	`Industrial, just use a dirty flag, and check that flag next frame, if it is, update`
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`02:55.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`~nickometer Mackstab`
`02:56.23`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79158 10BigWigs_Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs_Naxxramas: revert saroz's butchering`
`02:57.05`	`Saroz`	`lol`
`02:57.06`	`Saroz`	`mofo`
`02:57.30`	Funkeh`	`Saroz, for future notice, I will remove your svn account if you do that again`
`02:58.05`	`Saroz`	`!`
`02:58.11`	`Ellipsis`	`what did he do?`
`02:58.15`	`Ellipsis`	`and does he need a spanking?`
`02:58.22`	`ckknight`	`this is why I like patches and a small network of trust rather than full open access to everyone`
`02:58.24`	Funkeh`	`he didn't revert when asked`
`02:58.46`	`aestil`	`haha, 1 shot vashj pug.`
`02:58.50`	`jaxdahl`	`git > svn`
`02:59.27`	`aestil`	`the badge gear and T6 really make it a lot easier to kill the striders and naga`
`02:59.27`	`jaxdahl`	`aestil wow`
`02:59.27`	`aestil`	`we missed like 3 cores.`
`02:59.27`	`ckknight`	`jaxdahl: I agree`
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`03:04.43`	`Ozafy`	`licks Camci`
`03:05.01`	`Ellipsis`	`that's my move, get your own`
`03:05.03`	`Ellipsis`	`:P`
`03:05.06`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79159 10oUF_Castbar/oUF_Castbar.lua: oUF_Castbar: Added cast time support. Note that delay is now formatted with casttime.`
`03:05.19`	`Cryect`	`Ellipsis sounds jealous`
`03:05.30`	`Ozafy`	`Lies, camci's all mine :P`
`03:05.41`	`Ozafy`	`Had him for almost 2 years now! mwoehahaha`
`03:05.44`	`Ellipsis`	`oh you can have Camci`
`03:05.52`	`Ellipsis`	`just watch what you do with that tongue of yours`
`03:05.57`	`Xuerian`	`stabs his internet.`
`03:06.08`	`Cryect`	`go for the eyes!`
`03:06.34`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79160 10oUF_Castbar/Readme.txt: oUF_Castbar: Update the Readme`
`03:07.40`	`Xuerian`	`People are in a stabby mood toninght`
`03:07.47`	`Xuerian`	`Me, then other people, reading up...`
`03:07.54`	`Xuerian`	`~comfort Saroz`
`03:07.55`	`purl`	`There, there, Saroz. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
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`03:08.04`	`Stanzilla`	`stabs Xuerian`
`03:08.09`	`Xuerian`	`!`
`03:08.10`	`Xuerian`	`~xuerian`
`03:08.11`	`purl`	`ACTION lets out a Scrat-like scream and stabs something at random.`
`03:08.18`	`Cryect`	`:O`
`03:08.19`	`Xuerian`	`Stanzilla = random.`
`03:08.30`	`Xuerian`	`dammit`
`03:08.35`	`Xuerian`	`Did Cnc say anything before he logged?`
`03:08.43`	`Xuerian`	`like "omg lib working thx"`
`03:09.01`	`mykx`	`pretty sure he said something to the effect of "its 4am but its working, going to bed"`
`03:09.10`	`Xuerian`	`awesome`
`03:09.32`	`jaxdahl`	`<cncfanatics> profalbert: PitBull_QuickHealth & Grid_QuickHealth are up & should be working if u wanne try`
`03:09.41`	`mykx`	`now I could be way off here but that quickhealth addon effectively does the same job as InstantHealth ?`
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`03:10.00`	`Xuerian`	`mykx: It's like cyCircled vs ButtonFacade`
`03:10.03`	`Xuerian`	`One does it globally`
`03:10.06`	`Xuerian`	`One does it on request`
`03:10.14`	`mykx`	`I see`
`03:10.17`	`Xuerian`	`InstantHealth also causes problems with addons like MSBT`
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`03:10.26`	`DARKGuy`	`o/`
`03:10.29`	`Xuerian`	`(Because of that)`
`03:10.32`	`Xuerian`	`o/ DARKGuy`
`03:10.35`	`DARKGuy`	`wasn't me :(`
`03:10.40`	`DARKGuy`	`Xuerian: \o/`
`03:12.32`	`DARKGuy`	`Hm, is it a possibility that I'm "locked" to bind my actions to 1-9 then shift+1-9 and control+1-9 while having them sorted by bars, say, bar1 has everything 1-9, bar2 has everything shift+1-9 and so on, and I can't make my UI another thing different? :(`
`03:14.36`	Funkeh`	`gotta love television at this time of night`
`03:14.41`	`mykx`	`not sure I understand your question buuut`
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`03:14.48`	Funkeh`	`shit, shit, shit, big brother people sleeping, shit`
`03:14.49`	`mykx`	`you can have any keybinding combination on any set of bars`
`03:15.00`	Funkeh`	`year I really gonna stay up and watch people sleep on tv`
`03:15.06`	`DARKGuy`	`lol`
`03:15.12`	`mykx`	`lol big brother is the same when they are sleeping or not, imo`
`03:15.17`	`mykx`	`boring that is :p`
`03:15.21`	Funkeh`	`bullshit? aye`
`03:15.26`	Funkeh`	`the only good one was the first`
`03:15.36`	`mykx`	`I liked tourettes pete but that was about it`
`03:15.37`	`DARKGuy`	`yeah... I'm just locked mentally :P`
`03:16.44`	`DARKGuy`	`I only use 8 buttons, one trinket, 4 buttons for screams & whirlwind/cleave macro & recklesness, and 2 buttons for mounts. I wanna reduce ir or... damn, just do something different`
`03:16.57`	`Xuerian`	`Keeeyyybinds`
`03:17.04`	`Xuerian`	`or oPie.`
`03:17.08`	`DARKGuy`	`oPie?`
`03:17.15`	`mykx`	`yeah pie your keys and hide the bars you have stuff bound on`
`03:17.21`	`mykx`	`then leave stuff that you click`
`03:17.26`	`mykx`	`err pie? bind*`
`03:17.35`	`Xuerian`	`http://www.go-hero.net/opie/`
`03:18.11`	`Xuerian`	`Tekk is right, it still needs frame triggering and context options, but it still works decently good now`
`03:19.10`	`jaxdahl`	`Primer, realms are up`
`03:19.14`	`mykx`	`oh yeah I saw that on EJ Xuerian`
`03:19.38`	`Xuerian`	`mykx: Been watching it since foxlit started`
`03:20.48`	`mykx`	`you know I click like 1% of my abilities yet I still have my bars shown, I should probably hide them ;o`
`03:21.16`	`Xuerian`	`it's what I do on my warlock... Though I have all his abilities Clique'd, except for autobar, daily quest items, and seed`
`03:21.33`	`DARKGuy`	`Hm, oPie looks really nice`
`03:21.47`	`mykx`	`funnily enough I play a lock :P`
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`03:24.11`	`DARKGuy`	`sweet`
`03:24.20`	`DARKGuy`	`that addon has some niiiiice graphics`
`03:24.24`	`DARKGuy`	`reminds me of Crysis somewhat`
`03:24.59`	`fewyn`	`yay more purple pixels for me`
`03:26.01`	`DARKGuy`	`aww, too bad it's not on wowace`
`03:27.08`	Funkeh`	`yeah because in 1 month that will mean squat`
`03:27.36`	`DARKGuy`	`damn, I'm so happy with files.wowace.com`
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`03:27.41`	`DARKGuy`	`if they kill it I'm gonna be </3`
`03:27.57`	`CIA-45`	`03archarodim * r79161 10Decursive/Dcr_Raid.lua:`
`03:27.57`	`CIA-45`	`Decursive:`
`03:27.57`	`CIA-45`	`- Attempt to narrow down the source of an error ("PlayerRID is false")`
`03:28.40`	`cladhaire`	`if?`
`03:28.41`	`Xuerian`	`DARKGuy: It isn't "IF"`
`03:28.44`	`Xuerian`	`It's "When"`
`03:28.45`	`jaxdahl`	`this is interesting. the unholy rune uses an icon called 'death' and death runes use an icon called 'chromatic'`
`03:28.51`	`Xuerian`	`"Soon"`
`03:29.02`	`DARKGuy`	`No way`
`03:29.03`	`DARKGuy`	`:(`
`03:29.07`	`cladhaire`	`read the topic`
`03:29.10`	`DARKGuy`	`I did`
`03:29.10`	`cladhaire`	`the first link`
`03:29.11`	`cladhaire`	`imo`
`03:29.12`	`DARKGuy`	`and hated it :P`
`03:29.15`	`Xuerian`	`Blegh, what did cnc do, there's no toc files`
`03:29.24`	`cladhaire`	`well hating it doesn't change reality =P`
`03:29.33`	`jaxdahl`	`make your own toc file?`
`03:29.39`	`DARKGuy`	`:P but it makes me really, really unhappy`
`03:29.57`	`DARKGuy`	`updating addons will be a nightmare once again :'(`
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`03:30.34`	`Xuerian`	`jaxdahl: Yeah, but I'm wondering why there aren't any, he said it was working and it seems like tocs are somewhat required for that`
`03:30.57`	`jaxdahl`	`it's easy enough to notice you didn't commit certain files that are required for others`
`03:31.20`	`Xuerian`	`He's using tortise, by default it commits all files in the diretory`
`03:31.22`	`Xuerian`	`directory*`
`03:35.31`	Funkeh`	`oh yey`
`03:35.38`	Funkeh`	`they fixed unitid's in 3.0`
`03:37.48`	`Xuerian`	`link>_>`
`03:38.49`	`fewyn`	`wtb beta invite`
`03:39.13`	`Stanzilla`	Funkeh`: oh, what's new?
`03:39.15`	`starlon`	`hopes they're mailing them out over the weekend. >.>`
`03:39.57`	`ulic`	`starlon: me to but somehow I doubt it.`
`03:40.18`	Funkeh`	`Stanzilla, not new, fixed`
`03:40.21`	`Stanzilla`	`k`
`03:40.34`	Funkeh`	`right now you're bugged if your name begins with pet, party, raid or player`
`03:40.44`	Funkeh`	`buggered*`
`03:45.55`	`Xuerian`	`ahh`
`03:50.15`	`jaxdahl`	`can i execute something like SetTexCoord from the chat line?`
`03:52.55`	`CIA-45`	`03nikkodemus * r79162 10BuffEnough/ (6 files in 3 dirs):`
`03:52.55`	`CIA-45`	`BuffEnough:`
`03:52.55`	`CIA-45`	`- reverted previous change, improved detection of group buffs so as not to interfere with self-buffs for tracking purposes`
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`03:55.52`	`Xuerian`	`hmm, I guess I need to update pitbull from cf...`
`03:57.00`	`Yssaril`	`ckknight: once wowace runs on the curseforge backend are you gonna move your projects back to wowace or keep the on CF?`
`03:57.13`	`ckknight`	`back to wowace`
`03:57.27`	`Yssaril`	`cool`
`03:57.29`	`ckknight`	`main reason I use CF is cause of the git support and better ticketing system`
`03:57.48`	`jaxdahl`	`any DKs here?`
`03:57.49`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian: only PitBull4, keeping 3 here`
`03:57.57`	`ckknight`	`jaxdahl: I have a lvl 57 DK :-P`
`03:58.04`	`Yssaril`	`ckknight: you ever gonna rewrite parrot?`
`03:58.09`	`jaxdahl`	`when you have your ghoul out do you see any hp bar indicators for it or a pet bar?`
`03:58.09`	`Xuerian`	`ckknight: Hrm... Trying to figure out which one cnc is using for QuickHealth...`
`03:58.13`	`ckknight`	`maybe one day`
`03:58.18`	`ckknight`	`4 does not exist yet`
`03:58.24`	`Xuerian`	`That'd do it >_>`
`03:58.34`	`Xuerian`	`goes back to smacking QH around.`
`03:58.55`	`jaxdahl`	`trying to figure out if it's something i need to /bug or if it's NYI`
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`03:59.28`	`Xuerian`	`Ahh.. typo in the grid toc. :D`
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`04:03.26`	`smoke_`	`hey anyone here use some type of HoT counter on their grid?`
`04:06.01`	`kappaccino`	`rejoice ! http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-opposes-comcast-p2p-throttling.html`
`04:06.10`	`DARKGuy`	`whoever made oPie rocks.`
`04:06.26`	`DARKGuy`	`I haven't seen such a sleek addon before`
`04:06.30`	`Diao`	`anything with o in front of it`
`04:06.36`	`Diao`	`is probably coded by haste`
`04:06.43`	`Diao`	`what does opie do?`
`04:06.48`	`DARKGuy`	`it's great.`
`04:06.53`	`DARKGuy`	`it makes like a ring`
`04:07.04`	`Xuerian`	`It's not haste`
`04:07.05`	`DARKGuy`	`and you can have various buttons/actions/whatever on it`
`04:07.31`	`DARKGuy`	`so you press a keybinding and move the mouse in any of the directions in the ring and it activates the item where you point it to`
`04:07.50`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:07.54`	`DARKGuy`	`I haven't tested it in PvP, but it looks good for PvE`
`04:07.58`	`Xuerian`	`It's a SecurePie based addon`
`04:08.08`	`Xuerian`	`(Crap, that's going to break with 3.0, isn't it...)`
`04:08.14`	`DARKGuy`	`it's also one of the best looking I've seen`
`04:08.25`	`Diao`	`securepie o_O`
`04:08.33`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: Do you remember Sprocket?`
`04:08.33`	`Diao`	`i have every item/key/macro bound`
`04:08.34`	`DARKGuy`	`Xuerian: no way :'(`
`04:08.35`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`04:08.37`	`Diao`	`i do`
`04:08.38`	`Xuerian`	`It's that`
`04:08.41`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:08.43`	`Diao`	`but yeah`
`04:08.51`	`Diao`	`i have everything bound so an addon like that would be useless to me :(`
`04:09.00`	`DARKGuy`	`what char you use?`
`04:09.18`	`Diao`	`i have a 70 warrior, shaman, priest, paladin, and rogue`
`04:09.23`	`Diao`	`warrior i play mainly`
`04:09.32`	`*** join/#wowace Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal)`
`04:09.54`	`Diao`	`looks like a very pretty addon though`
`04:10.18`	`DARKGuy`	`it's like the Compiz for WoW`
`04:10.19`	`*** join/#wowace harldephin (i=harl@dslb-088-076-060-109.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`04:10.26`	`DARKGuy`	`It only does one thing though :P`
`04:10.30`	`DARKGuy`	`but it's.. sweeeeeeeeeeet.`
`04:10.43`	`Xuerian`	`I'd rather it looked like sproket tbh`
`04:10.59`	`Xuerian`	`Still missing the attach-to-frame functionality too`
`04:11.00`	`DARKGuy`	`never seen sproket`
`04:11.02`	`Xuerian`	`But it's nice`
`04:11.19`	`DARKGuy`	`Diao: how do you have your bindings in your warrior? I wanna get rid of all my buttons :(`
`04:11.45`	`Diao`	`umm`
`04:11.48`	`Diao`	`battle stance`
`04:11.54`	`Diao`	`1-7 are my mainly used keys`
`04:11.58`	`Diao`	`8 and 9 are "rarer"`
`04:12.05`	`Diao`	`defensive 1-7, berserker 1-7 as well`
`04:12.18`	`Diao`	`then ctrl+1-7`
`04:12.25`	`Diao`	`for other commonly used stuff`
`04:12.27`	`Xuerian`	`I'd use it more for rare things or consumables tbh`
`04:12.31`	`Diao`	`shift-r, alt-r, ctrl-t, alt-t`
`04:12.43`	`Diao`	`autobar keybindings are shift+1-6`
`04:12.47`	`DARKGuy`	`Diao: damn, that's like my setup too, except I use shift instead of control :\|`
`04:12.53`	`Diao`	`well items are on shift`
`04:12.55`	`Diao`	`for me`
`04:13.03`	`DARKGuy`	`items..`
`04:13.06`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`04:13.08`	`DARKGuy`	`what about the screams ?`
`04:13.10`	`Diao`	`pots, bandages, mount`
`04:13.13`	`smoke_`	`is there a hot tracker for grid?`
`04:13.21`	`Diao`	`shouts are on ctrl-5 and ctrl-6`
`04:13.25`	`Diao`	`since i only use them every 1 min`
`04:13.27`	`Diao`	`er 2 min*`
`04:13.36`	`Dashkal`	`DARKGuy: Compiz for WoW? What conversation did I arrive too late for?`
`04:13.48`	`vithos`	`smoke_: it's called something that matches Grid_Hot`
`04:13.57`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:14.01`	`Diao`	`i also have my trinkets bound using itemrack`
`04:14.06`	`Diao`	`using a g15 keyboard`
`04:14.12`	`Diao`	`it's my g9 and g12 keys which are bound to like`
`04:14.19`	`Diao`	`ctrl-shift-f11 and ctrl-shift-f12`
`04:14.29`	`DARKGuy`	`Dashkal: lol, the visual effects on oPie`
`04:14.41`	`Dashkal`	`oh yeah! I forgot I wanted to check that one out`
`04:14.48`	`DARKGuy`	`Diao: >_>... you have a G15, that's why`
`04:14.59`	`mykx`	`there we go just hid all my binded stuff and kept 1 bar with a mix of bound/non bound stuff http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/2703131200_9bdae9eb5a_o.jpg what do you think ?`
`04:15.00`	`DARKGuy`	`Diao: I have a common keyboard :(`
`04:15.02`	`Diao`	`well i rarely use any of the g15 keys`
`04:15.05`	`Diao`	`i only use them for marking stuff`
`04:15.06`	`Diao`	`in raids`
`04:15.09`	`Diao`	`and those 2 trinkets`
`04:15.17`	`DARKGuy`	`mykx: nice`
`04:15.23`	`Diao`	`uhh`
`04:15.28`	`Diao`	`mykx: you don't need to see cooldowns?`
`04:15.31`	`Diao`	`or do you hvae a cooldown mod`
`04:15.34`	`mykx`	`I use omniCC`
`04:15.41`	`mykx`	`but uhh`
`04:15.43`	`mykx`	`fuck you're right LOL`
`04:15.47`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:15.47`	`Diao`	`:P`
`04:15.52`	`Diao`	`that's why i dont' hide my bars even though they're bound`
`04:15.57`	`mykx`	`back to the drawing board I go`
`04:16.21`	`mykx`	`I dont suppose omniCC works with this oPie addon hrm lemme find out`
`04:16.36`	`mykx`	`nope`
`04:16.40`	`DARKGuy`	`Well this is my current UI`
`04:16.41`	`DARKGuy`	`http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/592/wowscrnshot072508234311np6.jpg`
`04:16.47`	`DARKGuy`	`I wanna get rid of the bars below :(`
`04:17.02`	`Diao`	`..`
`04:17.04`	`Diao`	`the bars below..`
`04:17.07`	`Diao`	`you have exactly 1 bar`
`04:17.21`	`Diao`	`are you trying to have 0 bars?`
`04:17.27`	`*** join/#wowace Neya_ (n=carancu@c83-255-70-30.bredband.comhem.se)`
`04:17.28`	`DARKGuy`	`nah, it's 1 and the S1-S4 is another bar`
`04:17.31`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:17.32`	`DARKGuy`	`Yeah`
`04:17.36`	`DARKGuy`	`or at least shorten it all to 1`
`04:17.45`	`Diao`	`erm`
`04:17.49`	`Diao`	`why not just put those 4 buttons`
`04:17.52`	`Diao`	`on your main bar`
`04:17.58`	`Diao`	`rebind them`
`04:17.59`	`mykx`	`hrm that's really shitty I'm very used to omniCC by now`
`04:18.00`	`Diao`	`and call it a day`
`04:18.07`	`DARKGuy`	`lol`
`04:18.13`	`DARKGuy`	`yeah that too...`
`04:18.15`	`Diao`	`simple solution :)`
`04:18.29`	`DARKGuy`	`but then it looks weird D:`
`04:18.34`	`DARKGuy`	`I think I'm gonna move mount to oPie`
`04:18.36`	`DARKGuy`	`and make a macro`
`04:18.37`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:18.41`	`Diao`	`uh`
`04:18.43`	`mykx`	`I'll just put every spell I use that has a cooldown on the 1 showing bar`
`04:18.45`	`mykx`	`that works I guess`
`04:18.45`	`DARKGuy`	`and same for trinkets`
`04:18.46`	`Diao`	`i use a mod`
`04:18.48`	`Diao`	`gogomount`
`04:18.49`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072508_140836.jpg`
`04:18.50`	`Diao`	`for my mount`
`04:18.53`	`Diao`	`it automatically picks the best mount`
`04:18.57`	`Diao`	`and you jsut bind a key to it`
`04:19.03`	`DARKGuy`	`really?`
`04:19.05`	`Diao`	`yep`
`04:19.09`	`Diao`	`if you're in outland it uses flying`
`04:19.14`	`Diao`	`if you're in azeroth it uses normal`
`04:19.17`	`Diao`	`you can even do that with a macro`
`04:19.19`	`mykx`	`not loading for me Antiarc`
`04:19.23`	`mykx`	`nvm`
`04:19.33`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:19.49`	`DARKGuy`	`o.o`
`04:19.54`	`Diao`	`isn't it [flyable]`
`04:19.55`	`mykx`	`heh beta, lucky you ;p`
`04:19.59`	`Antiarc`	`Oh yeah`
`04:20.01`	`Diao`	`[flying] will dismount you`
`04:20.02`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:20.04`	`Diao`	`and you will die`
`04:20.05`	`Antiarc`	`>_>`
`04:20.05`	`Diao`	`>.>`
`04:20.06`	`Antiarc`	`I knew that`
`04:20.09`	`DARKGuy`	`fun :D`
`04:20.17`	`Xuerian`	`Antiarc: Bahahaha`
`04:20.27`	`Diao`	`i just like gogomount because i carry like 4 mounts`
`04:20.29`	`Diao`	`and it randomly picks one`
`04:20.32`	`Xinhuan`	`you know how they are converting all mounts/pets to spells in your spellbooks?`
`04:20.33`	`Diao`	`so i get a different mount everytime i mount`
`04:20.36`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`04:20.51`	`Antiarc`	`I've discovered the worst quest ever. I ate some seeds from a bucket. Then this guy is all "OH NO THOSE WERE SPECIAL SEEDS". So he makes me go get some roots to make ex-lax.`
`04:20.53`	`Xinhuan`	`i will have a legendary spell! but no more legendary item :(`
`04:20.54`	`Antiarc`	`So I get them and come back`
`04:20.58`	`Diao`	`haha`
`04:21.06`	`Diao`	`exlax..`
`04:21.12`	`Antiarc`	`And he gives me this potion`
`04:21.15`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: I hate you and your bug.`
`04:21.16`	`Antiarc`	`And sends me to the outhouse`
`04:21.29`	`Antiarc`	`And I proceed to crap my bowels out with gas clounds and grunting for 20 sec`
`04:21.30`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: You'll have the achievement though`
`04:21.35`	`Antiarc`	`Then dig through my crap to get the seeds out`
`04:21.36`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:21.37`	`Antiarc`	`And take them back`
`04:21.39`	`Antiarc`	`And then he's all`
`04:21.45`	`*** join/#wowace \|Yssaril\| (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-135-90-107.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)`
`04:21.46`	`Antiarc`	`Master Woodsman Anderhol says: Alright Ben. We've retrieved the amberseeds again. You know the drill.`
`04:21.51`	`Antiarc`	`Benjamin Jacobs says: I know, I know. Back in the bucket....`
`04:21.53`	`Stanzilla`	`w00t highlight?`
`04:21.55`	`Diao`	`blizzard quests are... strange`
`04:21.56`	`Diao`	`:\`
`04:22.03`	`Stanzilla`	`hai anti :O`
`04:22.10`	`jaxdahl`	`did you see the new steamy romance novel?`
`04:22.16`	`*** join/#wowace gramg (n=d_mangus@c-67-169-221-67.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`04:22.20`	`mykx`	`Xuerian: do you know the author of this opie mod ?`
`04:22.32`	`Antiarc`	`I'm a rogue, of course I did :P`
`04:22.35`	`Xuerian`	`mykx: I remembered it earlier`
`04:22.52`	`mykx`	`foxlit ?`
`04:22.57`	`Xuerian`	`Foxlit`
`04:23.02`	`Diao`	`oh yeah`
`04:23.04`	`Xuerian`	`~seen foxlit`
`04:23.07`	`purl`	`foxlit <n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4h 34m 19s ago, saying: 'AddMinimapButton(frame) would be so much prettier'.`
`04:23.07`	`mykx`	`I don't suppose he comes on this irc`
`04:23.08`	`Diao`	`whoever updated loggerhead and killed the profile`
`04:23.09`	`DARKGuy`	`lol Antiarc`
`04:23.10`	`Diao`	`i hate you`
`04:23.11`	`DARKGuy`	`such a wierd quest`
`04:23.16`	`mykx`	`ohh he does lovely`
`04:23.18`	`Diao`	`because it didn't /combatlog today when i was raiding bt`
`04:23.20`	`Diao`	`so we didn't get to wws :(`
`04:23.35`	`jaxdahl`	`CIA-45> arrowmaster * r79092 LoggerHead/ (7 files in 2 dirs):`
`04:23.38`	`jaxdahl`	`CIA-45> -add options to change profile`
`04:23.49`	`*** join/#wowace quoin- (n=quoin@114-30-100-74.ip.adam.com.au)`
`04:24.01`	`Xuerian`	`He's on wowuidev`
`04:24.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`wasnt me`
`04:24.04`	`Xuerian`	`not right now anyway`
`04:24.38`	`mykx`	`oh wtf apparently the mod has a cooldown thing built in, lemme check that out`
`04:25.20`	`mykx`	`excellent, problem solved :p`
`04:25.55`	`Diao`	`haha`
`04:26.00`	`Diao`	`how does it display the cooldowns?`
`04:26.25`	`NivFreak`	`ls`
`04:26.25`	`mykx`	`much like omnicc`
`04:26.27`	`NivFreak`	`er`
`04:26.31`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:26.38`	`Diao`	`so it displays the cooldowns when you press the hotkey to bring it up?`
`04:26.43`	`mykx`	`yeah`
`04:26.53`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`04:26.59`	`Diao`	`that wouldn't be good enough for me unfortunately :(`
`04:27.01`	`mykx`	`I have alt q and alt e setup for some rings with like pots, trinkets etc etc`
`04:27.06`	`Diao`	`i'd need to be able to check the cooldown at any time`
`04:28.08`	`mykx`	`yeah I would have to raid with it to see if it would be as functional as it needs to be`
`04:28.31`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`04:28.59`	`jaxdahl`	`why does blizz call them Death Knniggets in the source code?`
`04:29.06`	`Diao`	`the new libquickhealth - does it work the same way as instanthealth but doesn't replace the original unit_health so only mods that are specifically made to request the quickhealth function will use it?`
`04:29.39`	`mykx`	`from what I gather that's exactly what it does`
`04:29.44`	`Diao`	`hm`
`04:29.57`	`DARKGuy`	`Antiarc: that mount macro ROCKS ^_^.`
`04:30.10`	`Antiarc`	`For more fun, you can make it a /castrandom`
`04:30.12`	`Diao`	`now if i could just get a unitframe addon that i could disable/enable using that function for different situations`
`04:30.20`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: There's Pitbull and Grid plugins already. I couldn't get it to work yet`
`04:30.23`	`Diao`	`ie, if i'm pvping i probably want it off`
`04:30.27`	`Diao`	`and in raids i'd like it on`
`04:30.32`	`mykx`	`diao http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/2702339655_01f1c67b47_o.jpg`
`04:30.43`	`mykx`	`that's only while I press the hotkey ofc`
`04:30.48`	`Diao`	`ah`
`04:30.49`	`DARKGuy`	`mykx: hey what's that HUD? :O`
`04:30.53`	`Diao`	`how do you cancel it`
`04:30.55`	`jaxdahl`	`-- Oh, God help us for these function and variable names.`
`04:30.55`	`jaxdahl`	`RUNICGLOW_FINISHTHROBANDHIDE = false;`
`04:30.57`	`mykx`	`just let go of the key`
`04:31.01`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:31.03`	`mykx`	`thats opie :)`
`04:31.04`	`Diao`	`so you have to hold the key?`
`04:31.05`	`DARKGuy`	`Antiarc: fun :p`
`04:31.06`	`mykx`	`yeah`
`04:31.07`	`DARKGuy`	`oPie?`
`04:31.08`	`Xuerian`	`jax: hahaha`
`04:31.10`	`Diao`	`i thikn he meant the hud around your character`
`04:31.13`	`Diao`	`that's like powerauras isn't it?`
`04:31.17`	`mykx`	`ohh yeah powerauras`
`04:31.19`	`DARKGuy`	`ohh`
`04:31.29`	`jaxdahl`	`-- Mmmm, runic Power Bars, my favorite kind. Tastes like Death Knnigget.`
`04:31.38`	`mykx`	`I just have it setup for like drums and trinkets`
`04:31.41`	`DARKGuy`	`mykx: in oPie, have it dim the whole screen in the options, makes it more sleek :p`
`04:31.42`	`DARKGuy`	`lol`
`04:31.52`	`Diao`	`i like the message mykx`
`04:31.55`	`Diao`	`"SAC YOUR PET"`
`04:32.02`	`mykx`	`haha sometimes I forget in raids`
`04:32.17`	`Diao`	`is that a mod`
`04:32.20`	`Diao`	`or just random text`
`04:32.22`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:32.27`	`mykx`	`dogtag :P`
`04:32.32`	`mykx`	`I like that dim thing DARKGuy`
`04:32.34`	`Diao`	`ah`
`04:32.38`	`DARKGuy`	`me too`
`04:32.38`	`DARKGuy`	`:D`
`04:32.46`	`DARKGuy`	`see it's a very sleek addon`
`04:32.47`	`DARKGuy`	`:D`
`04:32.51`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`04:32.57`	`Diao`	`you guys are making me want it just for fun`
`04:33.01`	`Diao`	`even though i'd never seriously use it :`
`04:33.02`	`Diao`	`:(*`
`04:33.06`	`DARKGuy`	`<.< I'm getting it for fun`
`04:33.16`	`DARKGuy`	`s/getting/using/ :D`
`04:33.32`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: Probably going to use it for totems on my shaman.`
`04:33.38`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`04:33.41`	`Diao`	`actually that would be a good idea`
`04:33.46`	`Diao`	`since yata hasn't been updated in forever`
`04:33.47`	`DARKGuy`	`lol, we're persuading Diao`
`04:33.52`	`Diao`	`and doesn't work with buttonfacade`
`04:33.56`	`Diao`	`so i have these ugly yata buttons`
`04:33.59`	`Xuerian`	`I actually use AutoBar's totem bars`
`04:34.00`	`Diao`	`on my shaman's screen`
`04:34.13`	`Xuerian`	`but I still have cycircled, so ab is ugly as sin, ironically enough`
`04:34.20`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:34.26`	`Diao`	`why do you still have cycircledo _O`
`04:34.29`	`Xuerian`	`lazy`
`04:34.38`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:34.39`	`Diao`	`>.>`
`04:34.51`	`Xuerian`	`I still had TableTopLib, and someone yelled at me for that`
`04:34.57`	`Xuerian`	`(Antiarc? don't remember..)`
`04:35.01`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:35.04`	`Diao`	`i have a lot of old libs`
`04:35.11`	`Diao`	`i don't clean my interface folder up much when upgrading`
`04:35.21`	`Xuerian`	`Same.`
`04:35.30`	`Diao`	`i just delete mods that i know i'm not using anymore`
`04:36.16`	`Stanzilla`	`You are now Revered with Wintersaber Trainers.`
`04:36.17`	`Stanzilla`	`T_T`
`04:36.48`	`Diao`	`anyone know if there's plans to make plugins for aguf/xperl/ouf/whatever other commonly used ufs`
`04:37.08`	`Diao`	`for use with libquickhealth`
`04:37.25`	`*** join/#wowace sacarasc (i=sacarasc@cpc1-kemp3-0-0-cust978.lutn.cable.ntl.com)`
`04:37.27`	`p3lim`	`what do you mean?`
`04:37.34`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: I'm sue there are`
`04:37.40`	`Xuerian`	`sure*`
`04:37.45`	`Xuerian`	`He just wrote the thing last night/this morning`
`04:37.52`	`Diao`	`ah`
`04:37.57`	`Diao`	`yeah cause i was testing the instanthealth one`
`04:38.00`	`Diao`	`and it seems to work quite nicely`
`04:38.06`	`Diao`	`so i am probably going to require it for my guild :P`
`04:38.57`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`04:39.21`	`Xuerian`	`Keep in mind, InstantHealth will mess up MSBT's actual heal values`
`04:39.35`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`04:39.36`	`Diao`	`i know`
`04:40.01`	`Diao`	`or wait`
`04:40.07`	`Diao`	`i thought it was fixed`
`04:40.10`	`Diao`	`with the new version`
`04:40.50`	`Xuerian`	`I think the damage meters were fixed`
`04:40.53`	`Xuerian`	`Not msbt`
`04:40.59`	`jaxdahl`	`how come playerframe.lua has deathknight specific stuff but nothing specific for other classes?`
`04:41.10`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:41.21`	`Diao`	`because deathknights have a lot of specific things?`
`04:41.24`	`Diao`	`runes/runic power`
`04:41.37`	`jaxdahl`	`why would runic power be different from rage?`
`04:42.04`	`Diao`	`well it has to display which runes you're using`
`04:42.05`	`jaxdahl`	`where's the stuff for warriors, rogues, etc?`
`04:42.06`	`Diao`	`that's all`
`04:42.17`	`Diao`	`the rage bar can be displayed as a mana bar with a max value of 100`
`04:42.24`	`Diao`	`well i guess combo points for rogues work similarly`
`04:42.29`	`Diao`	`actually no wait`
`04:42.32`	`Diao`	`that would be on targetframe`
`04:42.36`	`Diao`	`not playerframe`
`04:42.38`	`*** join/#wowace Drundia (n=drewndia@92.113.85.179)`
`04:42.51`	`Diao`	`but yeah, displaying which runes you have active requires a specific thing`
`04:42.56`	`Diao`	`different from a mana rage or energy bar`
`04:43.06`	`jaxdahl`	`yea, there's rune specific stuff in here`
`04:43.22`	`Diao`	`but that is the explanation i can think of`
`04:43.26`	`jaxdahl`	`but there seems to be old stuff here that i saw in blizzcon 07 screens that isn't in the current iteration`
`04:43.28`	`Diao`	`there may be another reason :)`
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`04:44.03`	`DARKGuy`	`Hm, I want a good HUD`
`04:44.06`	`DARKGuy`	`searches`
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`04:44.47`	`p3lim`	`what is InstantHealth?`
`04:45.03`	`p3lim`	`or LibQuickHealth or whatever you were talking about`
`04:45.20`	`Diao`	`provides instant health updates based on combat log events instead of waiting for the unit_health update every 0.3 sec from blizz`
`04:45.24`	`Diao`	`so you get faster updates on your health bars`
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`04:46.45`	`Xuerian`	`p3lim: UNIT_HEALTH is throttled to be once every 333ms or so. Combat logs are live. If you watch your health or a target's health, you'll notice that the hits register after a third of a second, sometime's that seems right away, sometimes you see the .3s lag.`
`04:46.55`	`Xuerian`	`But it's actually a functional difference`
`04:47.24`	`Diao`	`i notice it a lot when pvping`
`04:47.28`	`Xuerian`	`00:001: Tank takes fatal hit. 00:002: Healer heals tank out of fatal range. 00:003: UNIT_HEALTH is updated on the server, and the tank lives`
`04:47.37`	`Diao`	`especially against burst classes`
`04:47.45`	`Diao`	`i can actually get heals in between seeing my hp update`
`04:47.52`	`Diao`	`instead of waiting and then suddenly my hp drops by like 10k`
`04:48.18`	`DARKGuy`	`Where can I find MetaHUD skins? :(`
`04:48.32`	`jaxdahl`	`http://jax2.zenblue.net/dk.png <-- remember this?`
`04:48.33`	`p3lim`	`ok im a healer so i dont give a shit :D`
`04:48.37`	`p3lim`	`im not a healer*`
`04:48.51`	`Diao`	`what about it jax`
`04:48.56`	`Diao`	`p3lim do you tank either?`
`04:49.04`	`jaxdahl`	`that's the blizzcon deathknight player frame`
`04:49.10`	`jaxdahl`	`but the beta player frame is different`
`04:49.13`	`Diao`	`and if not, do you have a threat wipe/immunity spell`
`04:49.14`	`p3lim`	`im a guild MT`
`04:49.22`	`Diao`	`then you definitely want it`
`04:49.26`	`p3lim`	`how come?`
`04:49.29`	`Diao`	`tank takes fatal hit`
`04:49.30`	`Drundia`	`is it actually correct that you can get healed from negative?`
`04:49.35`	`Diao`	`uses last stand/shield wall/nightmare seed/whatever`
`04:49.39`	`Diao`	`saves himself`
`04:49.41`	`Diao`	`and heals go off`
`04:49.42`	`jaxdahl`	`Drundia, from a certain perspective yes`
`04:49.48`	`mykx`	`using instanthealth, people have been marked as dead on my unit frames and been healed up`
`04:49.49`	`p3lim`	`< druid`
`04:49.50`	`Diao`	`technically yes Drundia`
`04:49.53`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:49.56`	`p3lim`	`and i only do 10mans`
`04:50.00`	`Diao`	`ah`
`04:50.05`	`Diao`	`then it's not a big issue for you i guess`
`04:50.09`	`p3lim`	`so i never take fatal hits`
`04:50.10`	`p3lim`	`:p`
`04:50.12`	`Drundia`	`from which one? people are dying as they are using divine shields like "you gain divine shield" followed by "you die"`
`04:50.16`	`Diao`	`i mean you could still hit your "use healthstone/pot item and shift back to bear" macro`
`04:50.30`	`Diao`	`drundia that`
`04:50.40`	`Diao`	`is because the unit health updated from the fatal hit`
`04:50.48`	`Diao`	`before the ds actually occurs`
`04:50.53`	`Xuerian`	`Drundia: Health is updated every .3 secs on the server. Literally. If the tank is healed after taking fatal damage INSIDE that .3 seconds, BEFORE it's calculated again, then the calculation ends up with them alive`
`04:50.57`	`Diao`	`yep`
`04:51.01`	`Diao`	`it adds and subtracts total`
`04:51.01`	`p3lim`	`yeah, but when i have 50% dodge, 21k hp and two healers at 2400+ healing behind me, odds are very low that i take fatal hits followed by death`
`04:51.05`	`Diao`	`and if it comes out positive`
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`04:51.10`	`Diao`	`wtf 2400+ healing`
`04:51.12`	`Diao`	`in 10 mans?`
`04:51.18`	`p3lim`	`3k with trinkets`
`04:51.21`	`p3lim`	`3k+ even`
`04:51.36`	`Diao`	`weird, libquickhealth is on svn but not on files.`
`04:51.38`	`Drundia`	`people get healed after death`
`04:51.40`	`Drundia`	`actually`
`04:51.45`	`p3lim`	`Diao: takes 30 mins`
`04:51.51`	`Diao`	`it was uploaded hours ago`
`04:51.53`	`mykx`	`it's been well over an hour`
`04:51.54`	`Diao`	`on svn`
`04:51.54`	`Drundia`	`if i damage myself with hellfire after taking fatal hit i don't take durability for some reasons`
`04:51.56`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: Yeah, it's also got a quirky toc. pitbull_qh doesn't even have one`
`04:52.03`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:52.06`	`Diao`	`so i have to svn it?`
`04:52.19`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: I'm not sure, I spent half a hour trying to get it to work earlier - i'm just going to wait for cnc to get back`
`04:52.23`	`Diao`	`ah ok`
`04:52.25`	`p3lim`	`Hellfire deaths doesnt give durability hits`
`04:52.27`	`Diao`	`i'll stick with instanthealth for now`
`04:52.36`	`p3lim`	`even I know that, and my warlock is like lvl 40`
`04:52.52`	`Drundia`	`yes, but technically it's not hellfire that is killing me, it just hits me when i should already be dead`
`04:52.53`	`p3lim`	`its a well used trick to save repair money as a warlock`
`04:52.56`	`mykx`	`he said 'after taking fatal hit`
`04:53.07`	`Diao`	`well`
`04:53.08`	`Diao`	`i assume`
`04:53.13`	`Diao`	`the combat log`
`04:53.16`	`Diao`	`went something like this`
`04:53.24`	`Diao`	`you take fatal hit, you take hellfire hit`
`04:53.29`	`Diao`	`so when the calculation for UNIT_HEALTH occured`
`04:53.39`	`ShaneSveller`	`Hello all, just popping in for a quick survey. If you were going to use a web-based guild portal is there anything you'd want tools for besides scheduling, loot, media sharing, and communication?`
`04:53.44`	`mykx`	`there's been plenty of times on council when my mage friend will post a log of him spellstealing a buff and then the mage casting the thing he just spell stole or w/e and killing him`
`04:53.52`	`Diao`	`occurred*, it said "ok this player lost x amount of health. the last action that occurred was hellfire, so player takes no dura"`
`04:55.14`	`Drundia`	`what is exactly definition of calculating every 0.333 sec? does it modify health all the time, but checks current for being negative only every 0.333, and sends it to clients at the same rate, or does it store damages and heals from last 0.333 and then applies them?`
`04:55.27`	`Diao`	`second one`
`04:55.50`	`Diao`	`every .333 sec, the server adds/subtracts damage done/healed to each unit`
`04:55.55`	`Diao`	`and propagates it out to all clients`
`04:56.28`	`Drundia`	`i'm sure it does check for it being negative every time it adds/subtracts`
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`04:56.42`	`Xuerian`	`Drundia: It "sums" health at those intervals`
`04:56.44`	`Diao`	`it doesn't, actually`
`04:56.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`GridQuickHealth is up, is the Lib embedded in that?`
`04:57.06`	`Xuerian`	`ZealotOnAStick: It should be embedded. Grid_QH has a toc too, that could well work`
`04:57.12`	`Xuerian`	`didn't try it, tried pitbull :P`
`04:57.57`	`Diao`	`in any case, it just checks for the final hp Drundia, not after each individual calculation`
`04:58.04`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Xuerian: quirky toc?`
`04:58.12`	`Diao`	`so if cur_hp - hplost + hphealed > 0`
`04:58.16`	`Diao`	`you're alive at that point`
`04:58.21`	`Diao`	`no matter whether one hit killed you or not`
`04:58.34`	`Drundia`	`so you can take hit exceeding your max health and then get healed back to alive? proofs?`
`04:58.43`	`Diao`	`yes`
`04:58.45`	`Diao`	`multiple people have reported it`
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`04:58.50`	`Diao`	`seeing tank be at negative hp with instant-health`
`04:58.54`	`Diao`	`and getting an instant heal off`
`04:58.57`	`Diao`	`and the tank not dying`
`04:59.20`	`p3lim`	`I need a very VERY good mail notification sound`
`04:59.26`	`Drundia`	`maybe because something went wrong there?`
`04:59.50`	`Drundia`	`you can't land an instant heal when you see the tank is already negative, because of latency and internal delay of similar 0.333 sec`
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`05:00.10`	`Diao`	`i dunno`
`05:00.13`	`Diao`	`it saved me today`
`05:00.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I've got an mp3 of an arrow sticking into Lancelot's page's chest from Monty Python with him saying "Message for you sir!"`
`05:00.22`	`Diao`	`saw my hp drop negative`
`05:00.30`	`Diao`	`i used a healthstone + last stand macro`
`05:00.35`	`Diao`	`and my hp shot up`
`05:00.41`	`Diao`	`healers said they thought i was dead`
`05:00.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I used that for my mail notification sound for years.`
`05:01.11`	`Drundia`	`maybe it just ends up reporting wrong health for some reasons?`
`05:01.25`	`Diao`	`how would it do that`
`05:01.30`	`Diao`	`all the mod does is take current health`
`05:01.40`	`Diao`	`add/subtract damage taken/healed to current health`
`05:01.44`	`Diao`	`based on combat log events`
`05:02.31`	`p3lim`	`ZealotOnAStick: "Message for you sir" ?`
`05:02.54`	`p3lim`	`thats a good one, but not quite what im looking for`
`05:03.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`shrugs`
`05:03.11`	`Diao`	`friend of mine modified mailfu a long time ago to play the blues clues mail song`
`05:03.24`	`p3lim`	`what im using atm is some random vista sound, which is a smooth little 2sec tune`
`05:03.25`	`Xuerian`	`oh lordie`
`05:03.57`	`p3lim`	`been listening through lots of zelda sounds the past few hours now`
`05:03.58`	`Drundia`	`does last stand even report to combat log?`
`05:04.25`	`Xuerian`	`p3lim: Was playing OoT earlier.`
`05:05.15`	`p3lim`	`any sounds in particular that could fit as a mail notification sound?`
`05:05.39`	`Diao`	`addon listens for maxhealth_update`
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`05:06.38`	`Xuerian`	`p3lim: Got nothing. =\|`
`05:07.52`	`Xuerian`	`"All you have to do is read the letters" "Ok" "Alright, read them out for me." "I... am.... a.... little.. piggy.. HEY"`
`05:07.55`	`Xuerian`	`could use that`
`05:07.57`	`Xuerian`	`from southpark :P`
`05:08.06`	`Drundia`	`then i can safely assume that it may take place before health recalculation`
`05:08.22`	`Diao`	`http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t26517-instant_health_updates/p2/`
`05:08.25`	`Diao`	`explanation is first post there`
`05:08.28`	`Diao`	`as to how the mod works`
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`05:23.22`	`jaxdahl`	`what's the main reason action bars aren't working in the beta?`
`05:25.22`	`Diao`	`they changed the secure action template or something`
`05:25.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`securestateheaders were removed`
`05:32.04`	`jaxdahl`	`ahh so nothing can be done on our end`
`05:36.33`	`jaxdahl`	`seems like runes sometimes take up to a full second to become 'active' once their remaining time hits zero`
`05:36.43`	`jaxdahl`	`i should write something to compare the delay to latency`
`05:38.04`	`Xinhuan`	`what for? ;p`
`05:39.01`	`jaxdahl`	`see what's up with it`
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`05:54.38`	`CIA-45`	`03laotseu * r79163 10AllPlayed/ (AllPlayed.lua AllPlayed.toc embeds.xml libs/):`
`05:54.38`	`CIA-45`	`AllPlayed:`
`05:54.38`	`CIA-45`	`- Converted to LibAbacus-3.0`
`05:54.38`	`CIA-45`	`- Converted to LibCrayon-3.0`
`05:54.38`	`CIA-45`	`- Now, if I can only find Tablet and Dewdrop replacements...`
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`05:57.30`	`Dashkal`	`what's the dual wield hit cap again? 23%?`
`05:57.47`	`durcyn`	`28% against bosses`
`05:57.47`	`jaxdahl`	`19%+5%?`
`05:57.55`	`Dashkal`	`5% for the 3 levels?`
`05:58.00`	`jaxdahl`	`and another 1% for each level ?`
`05:59.04`	`Dashkal`	`eaugh, 28%, that's a lot of HTR`
`05:59.05`	`Dashkal`	`HR*`
`05:59.27`	`jaxdahl`	`base chance to miss is 28% yeah`
`06:01.20`	`jaxdahl`	`25% for level 72, subtract 0.5% for each level below`
`06:01.55`	`jaxdahl`	`draenei and improved fairie fire makes the cap easier to hit`
`06:02.02`	`jaxdahl`	`4%`
`06:07.12`	`Dashkal`	`We don't have a boomkin in our raid so no imp ff`
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`06:18.25`	`NeoTron`	`we do!`
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`06:26.12`	`Ellipsis`	`boomkins are great, I especially like the sound they make when they go splat`
`06:28.00`	`Shefki`	`lol`
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`06:39.42`	`Dashkal`	`Ellipsis: win`
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`06:46.11`	`Zhinjio`	`Good evneing.`
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`06:48.05`	`Zyndrome`	`almost 12 hour sleep ... and my legs hurt`
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`06:53.23`	`Zhinjio`	`I think Ackis needs to stop spending time with this new girlfriend thing he's found and pay more attention to his plugin.`
`06:53.30`	`Zhinjio`	`laughs maniacally.`
`06:53.40`	`DARKGuy`	`xD`
`06:53.52`	`DARKGuy`	`What do you think abou this? :D`
`06:53.55`	`DARKGuy`	`http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5237/wowscrnshot072608020941ew2.jpg / http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4784/wowscrnshot072608021105dj1.jpg`
`06:53.56`	`DARKGuy`	`*about`
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`06:55.22`	`Diao`	`wow that is a seriously minimalist ui`
`06:55.28`	`Diao`	`i'd die with the lack of info :P`
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`06:59.58`	`yoshimo`	`my zu is fulll of "information" .9`
`06:59.58`	`yoshimo`	`:P`
`06:59.58`	`Diao`	`zu?`
`06:59.58`	`yoshimo`	`ui. damn`
`06:59.58`	`yoshimo`	`need coffee ;)`
`07:00.55`	`Diao`	`lol`
`07:00.59`	`Diao`	`so is mine yoshimo`
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`07:07.40`	`Zyndrome`	`go repair :<`
`07:09.31`	`DARKGuy`	`lol`
`07:09.36`	`DARKGuy`	`I'm really minimalist`
`07:09.36`	`DARKGuy`	`:p`
`07:09.56`	`DARKGuy`	`I like to see my screen clean clean clean`
`07:10.11`	`DARKGuy`	`but the info is there when I need it :D`
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`07:23.49`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79164 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua Locale-enUS.lua announces/paladin.lua):`
`07:23.49`	`CIA-45`	`CastYeller:`
`07:23.50`	`CIA-45`	`- added $PLAYER variable for announce texts,`
`07:23.50`	`CIA-45`	`- added enUS paladin funny announces from various sources,`
`07:23.50`	`CIA-45`	`- added an option to remove the square brackets around announces.`
`07:23.50`	`CIA-45`	`- drycoded, expect failures.`
`07:24.35`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79165 10CastYeller/announces/paladin.lua: CastYeller: fixed a typo in paladin announces.`
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`07:28.13`	`Orionshock`	`morning`
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`07:35.01`	`CIA-45`	`03ottokang * r79166 10FuBar_LocationFu/LocationFuLocale-zhTW.lua: FuBar_LocationFu: zhTW Update`
`07:41.55`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79167 10oUF_Castbar/oUF_Castbar.lua: oUF_Castbar: Fix some bad variable names.`
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`07:42.24`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79168 10oUF_Castbar/oUF_Castbar.lua: oUF_Castbar: Missed one.`
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`07:45.06`	`CIA-45`	`03quezacolt 07Quezacolt * r79169 10Barrier/ (Bars.xml Config.lua Core.lua):`
`07:45.06`	`CIA-45`	`Barrier:`
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`07:51.43`	`cncfanatics`	`hello all`
`07:54.00`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: ping`
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`08:00.40`	`CIA-45`	`03quezacolt 07Quezacolt * r79170 10Barrier/ (Bars.xml Config.lua Core.lua): Barrier: Fixed horrifyingly bad indentation caused by my noobness to Notepad++`
`08:03.11`	`Orionshock`	`cncfanatics: i found a name for it :D`
`08:03.15`	`Orionshock`	`CursorCooldown`
`08:03.18`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79171 10Grid_QuickHealth/Grid_QuickHealth.lua: Grid_QuickHealth: Remove spammy debug code`
`08:03.28`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: if you're a healer, check quickhealth :D`
`08:03.45`	`Orionshock`	`i is`
`08:03.48`	`Orionshock`	`will look`
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`08:05.50`	`sylvanaar`	`good morning`
`08:06.25`	`cncfanatics`	`good morning`
`08:06.35`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79172 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.toc: LibQuickHealth-1.0: Add a TOC file`
`08:07.50`	`yoshimo`	`i thought instant_health couldnt get any better ;)`
`08:08.12`	`cncfanatics`	`yoshimo: did you even read its code ? :s`
`08:08.17`	`cncfanatics`	`its ugly :(`
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`08:10.19`	`yoshimo`	`i dont understand lua, so i cant say that. just used it in my raids`
`08:12.31`	`cncfanatics`	`yoshimo: feel free to test this one and tell me if it works just as well from your pov :)`
`08:12.48`	`cncfanatics`	`I have a grid and a pitbull module ready atm, can write more if needed`
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`08:13.41`	`yoshimo`	`i think with grid, pitbull and maybe xperl & sraidframes you have almost evry raidmember covered. no need for healbot :D`
`08:14.09`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79173 10Prat/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Prat: More prep work for 3.0, this just moved some files to a new folder 'samples' or to the Prat_Debug pullout`
`08:14.40`	`Diao`	`cncfanatics are you going to make modules for all the other popular ufs?`
`08:15.00`	`Diao`	`a lot of my guildies use other frames and i'd like them to be able to use LQH`
`08:15.01`	`yoshimo`	`"can write more if needed" i think this means "yes"`
`08:15.04`	`cncfanatics`	`Diao: when they're requested, yea`
`08:15.08`	`Diao`	`kk`
`08:15.17`	`cncfanatics`	`its ridiculously easy to add new ones`
`08:15.27`	`cncfanatics`	`(the grid & pitbull modules are 30 lines each)`
`08:16.07`	`Diao`	`one of my guildies uses default frames, i know a couple use oUF, xperl`
`08:16.42`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79174 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.toc: LibQuickHealth-1.0: Add X-License and X-Category fields`
`08:16.47`	`cncfanatics`	`defualt frames`
`08:16.49`	`cncfanatics`	`scared`
`08:17.04`	`Diao`	`lol`
`08:17.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Diao: if you have some coding experience you can code em yoursel`
`08:17.18`	`cncfanatics`	`just take a look at grid or pitbull _quickhealth`
`08:17.18`	`Diao`	`i have a little, but not really with lua`
`08:17.28`	`Diao`	`i use pitbull myself :P`
`08:17.31`	`Diao`	`and grid, actually`
`08:17.39`	`cncfanatics`	`same here, which is why I made those two`
`08:18.08`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway, I'm leaving this town and going to another one about 50km further soon :p`
`08:18.11`	`cncfanatics`	`back soon`
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`08:18.15`	`Diao`	`lol`
`08:19.25`	`CIA-45`	`03lilsparky * r79175 10GnomeDust/:`
`08:19.25`	`CIA-45`	`GnomeDust:`
`08:19.25`	`CIA-45`	`-initial import`
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`08:20.38`	`cncfanatics`	`bk -.- not leaving right away after all heh`
`08:20.53`	`Diao`	`;p`
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`08:24.05`	`Xuerian`	`pssssst, over here <_<...`
`08:24.13`	`Xuerian`	`How work PitBull_QuickHealth? >_>`
`08:24.16`	`cncfanatics`	`it works`
`08:24.39`	`Ellipsis`	`cncfanatics has a hax`
`08:24.46`	`cncfanatics`	`and addon authors should be able to write the same for their respective addon in about 2-3 minutes`
`08:24.51`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: How? There's no toc >_>`
`08:24.58`	`cncfanatics`	`there isn't ? :o`
`08:25.05`	`Xuerian`	`no...`
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`08:25.12`	`cncfanatics`	`PitBull_QuickHealth.toc didn't add it to the svn :p`
`08:25.12`	`Ellipsis`	`~fail cncfanatics`
`08:25.13`	`purl`	`You suck at everything in life, cncfanatics. I hate you because you fail.`
`08:25.14`	`cncfanatics`	`haha`
`08:25.34`	`Xuerian`	`I MADE a toc, but it kept not finding the healthbar module in pitbull for some reason`
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`08:26.07`	`Ellipsis`	`needs deps set properly :P`
`08:26.12`	`CIA-45`	`03lilsparky * r79176 10GnomeDust/ (5 files):`
`08:26.12`	`CIA-45`	`GnomeDustGnomeDust:`
`08:26.12`	`CIA-45`	`-initial commit`
`08:26.30`	`Zhinjio`	`hugs Ellipsis`
`08:26.33`	`Xuerian`	`And PitBull AND PitBull_HealthBars aren't deps enough for you elly?`
`08:26.39`	`Ellipsis`	`licks Zhinjio`
`08:26.45`	`Ellipsis`	`Xuerian: apparently not if it doesn't work :P`
`08:26.58`	`Xuerian`	`Ellipsis: Well we'll just see how cnc did it :P`
`08:27.53`	`cncfanatics`	`its PitBull_HealthBar Xuerian`
`08:28.02`	`cncfanatics`	`if you added HealthBarS as depency thats why`
`08:28.03`	`yoshimo`	`ill go and try the gridmodule... :D`
`08:28.30`	`Xuerian`	`well`
`08:28.33`	`cncfanatics`	`that should do it Xuerian (at least it works for me)`
`08:28.35`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79177 10PitBull_QuickHealth/ (PitBull_QuickHealth.lua PitBull_QuickHealth.toc): PitBull_QuickHealth: Add a TOC file and document the lua properly so other addons should be able to base their module on this one.`
`08:28.41`	`Xuerian`	`I couldn't be arsed to UN-DELETE the toc and make sure I didn't just accidentally typo it`
`08:29.02`	`Xuerian`	`That would also explain why files never packaged the pitbull version`
`08:29.15`	`Xuerian`	`Also the lib didn't seem to have a toc for running disembedded, either`
`08:29.16`	`Xuerian`	`>_>`
`08:29.20`	`cncfanatics`	`it does now`
`08:29.35`	`Xuerian`	`Awesomecakes :p`
`08:30.00`	`Ellipsis`	`~lart cncfanatics`
`08:30.00`	`purl`	`whips out a sword and chops cncfanatics in half`
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`08:30.02`	`Ellipsis`	`l2toc imo!`
`08:30.26`	`cncfanatics`	`Ellipsis: get writing modules for ag, perl and default frames tbh`
`08:30.51`	`Ellipsis`	`cncfanatics: get writing my cooldown addon for me tbh`
`08:31.00`	`cncfanatics`	`what cooldown addon ? :p`
`08:31.06`	`Ellipsis`	`the one in my head, duh`
`08:31.22`	`cncfanatics`	`shall I cut your head in two to look for it ?`
`08:31.56`	`yoshimo`	`how can you write lqh modules for the default frames without tainting?`
`08:32.08`	`theoddone33`	`I gotta find someone online that knows about civil lawsuits`
`08:32.12`	`theoddone33`	`heh`
`08:32.36`	`Shefki`	`What's quickhealth do?`
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`08:32.54`	`cncfanatics`	`yoshimo: yes`
`08:33.24`	`cncfanatics`	`Shefki: gets around the 0.3sec throttle at which your healthbar updates and makes them update faster then that`
`08:33.32`	`cncfanatics`	`yoshimo: its just slightly anoying to do`
`08:33.34`	`Shefki`	`The default frames are based on the same templates as every other frame...`
`08:34.13`	`cncfanatics`	`yoshimo: if you have some coding experience, you could probably do it`
`08:34.15`	`yoshimo`	`i remember instant_health failing for blizzarddefault and hiding targetoftarget, so i better asked`
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`08:34.29`	`cncfanatics`	`yoshimo: thats why I wrote this one originaly`
`08:34.31`	`cncfanatics`	`because it tainted :p`
`08:34.51`	`Shefki`	`cncfanatics: How do you manage that out of curiosity? combat log?`
`08:34.57`	`cncfanatics`	`yes Shefki`
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`08:36.00`	`Shefki`	`Take the UNIT_HEALTH updates and then use them as a base between the .3 updates from the combat log I take it?`
`08:36.14`	`cncfanatics`	`exactly`
`08:36.24`	`Aiiane`	`the unit_health updates are the ones that are .3`
`08:36.31`	`Aiiane`	`the combat log events are what's faster`
`08:36.44`	`cncfanatics`	`yea indeed, my bad`
`08:36.46`	`Aiiane`	`but aside from having those backwards, yes :)`
`08:36.51`	`Shefki`	`I realize that even if what I said didn't seem that way.`
`08:37.19`	`yoshimo`	`combatlog is stupid... "you have slain thorngrim" and after that i hit him for 500 dmg ...`
`08:37.45`	`Shefki`	`The order of the combat log is not guaranteed to be in the order things happen.`
`08:37.52`	`Aiiane`	`nods`
`08:37.59`	`cncfanatics`	`the order doesn't matter`
`08:38.02`	`Shefki`	`But the order doesn't really matter for what he's doing.`
`08:38.11`	`Xinhuan`	`it does, for omen ;p`
`08:38.24`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway, I'm leaving for about 40-50 mins`
`08:38.25`	`cncfanatics`	`back later`
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`08:38.55`	`Xinhuan`	`if you kill a mob, that removes that mob from the threat tables, but if you do 500 damage right after kiling it, it readds it back to the threat table as garbage`
`08:39.03`	`Xinhuan`	`that doesn't get collected`
`08:39.35`	`Shefki`	`But if the mob dies what does it matter though?`
`08:39.45`	`Xinhuan`	`memory use over time goes up`
`08:40.06`	`Xinhuan`	`because omen doesn't know the mob died`
`08:40.16`	`Shefki`	`Ahh ok.`
`08:41.14`	`Shefki`	`If we're lucky Blizzard will give us a real threat meter with the actual threat data.`
`08:41.40`	`Shefki`	`Somehow I expect a Micky Mouse threat meter though.`
`08:42.35`	`yoshimo`	`i dont think they will give us a "real" one. i only read about giving more information to make it easier for omen`
`08:43.50`	`Shefki`	`That's probably just as good if not better.`
`08:44.08`	`yoshimo`	`mhmm why?`
`08:44.37`	`theoddone33`	`I wonder how WoW's quest management system scales internally... like if by adding say 3000 quests for wotlk they're adding a ton of space to their per-character server storage`
`08:44.47`	`theoddone33`	`even 10k times 9 million players is a lot of space`
`08:44.50`	`Orionshock`	`yoshimo: because the addon community often has more time and beta testers that wow does and is often better`
`08:45.43`	`Xinhuan`	`argh, need to rewrite that threat3.0 uml design doc`
`08:46.02`	`yoshimo`	`xin, new ideas?`
`08:46.28`	`Xinhuan`	`well, getting rid of all that OO overhead is probably necessary`
`08:46.56`	`Aiiane`	`hmm`
`08:47.06`	`Aiiane`	`would it be possible to add a timeout on last event concerning a mob`
`08:47.19`	`Xinhuan`	`such a timeout would have to be at least 20 minutes`
`08:47.33`	`Aiiane`	`why? would you still have threat on a mob after 20 minutes of nothing happening?`
`08:48.04`	`Xinhuan`	`lingering threat issues is usually because someone else sent threat data to you`
`08:48.47`	`Aiiane`	`basically what I'm saying is, "if I haven't heard a peep about threat on GUID XXXX in the last 2 minutes, forget about that GUID`
`08:49.27`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think that is a safe assumption though`
`08:49.38`	`Aiiane`	`can you think of a time when it wouldn't be?`
`08:49.57`	`Xinhuan`	`kaelthas advisors rez up`
`08:50.27`	`Shefki`	`Don't they start with fresh threat ttables though?`
`08:50.38`	`Xinhuan`	`they probably do, but what do we know ;p`
`08:50.46`	`Aiiane`	`pretty sure they do`
`08:52.09`	`Zhinjio`	`Good evening, Xinhuan`
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`08:52.54`	`Xinhuan`	`its still not necessarily safe, i'm not all too sure if the combatlog even captures anything from > 100 yards away, say in hyjal when doing gargoyles, you're in front, locks are behind`
`08:53.17`	`Shefki`	`I'm almost positive it doesn't.`
`08:54.54`	`syeren`	`Only Xinhuan could make a screensaver that works inside WoW :p`
`08:55.10`	`syeren`	`Your Cursor Cooldown concept was done a long time ago on EJ by the way Xinhuan :p`
`08:55.18`	`syeren`	`No doubt yours is cleaner etc. though :p`
`08:55.26`	`Xinhuan`	`heh`
`08:55.43`	`Shefki`	`Ohh cursor GCD?`
`08:56.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i merelycheck the X,Y position of the cursor 100x a second`
`08:56.11`	`Xinhuan`	`there really isn't any other way of doing it`
`08:56.22`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79178 10Prat/sounds/ (Bell.mp3 Chime.mp3 IM.mp3 Xylo.mp3 chatmod1.mp3 chatmod3.mp3): Prat: Reorganize the sounds provided, adds a couple more. This added about 30k, so want to try to compress some of the sound files.`
`08:58.13`	`Xinhuan`	`its ok, i don't expect anyone to download it ;p`
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`08:58.47`	`Xinhuan`	`i have this tetris game`
`08:58.50`	`Xinhuan`	`2 player`
`08:58.57`	`Shefki`	`What's this cursor cooldown thing?`
`08:58.59`	`Xinhuan`	`but its pre 2.0`
`08:59.15`	`Xinhuan`	`i dont' know`
`09:00.04`	`Shefki`	`Does give me a nifty idea.`
`09:00.12`	`Shefki`	`Animated cursor to show the GCD.`
`09:00.27`	`Xinhuan`	`except you can't change the cursor ;p`
`09:00.36`	`Xinhuan`	`except to certain built in ones`
`09:00.52`	`Xinhuan`	`like the repair hammer, or the dressing room inspect cursor`
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`09:02.03`	`Xinhuan`	`i think he's talking about http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9736-CursorCooldown.html`
`09:02.23`	`Xinhuan`	`also, that's by Orionshock, not by me ;p`
`09:02.35`	`syeren`	`Oh crap, got you mixed up :p`
`09:02.38`	`syeren`	`My bad sorry :p`
`09:03.10`	`Shefki`	`Hmm gotta try that, looks interesting.`
`09:03.18`	`Orionshock`	`:D`
`09:03.30`	`Orionshock`	`well i hard coded something that i shouldn't have :\`
`09:03.35`	`Orionshock`	`trying to fix and raid TK atm :\`
`09:03.47`	`Shefki`	`What did you hardcode?`
`09:03.54`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79179 10Prat/ (Prat.lua Prat_Debug/Prat_Debug.toc Prat_Debug/includes.xml): Prat: Add toc/xml to the debug pullout (still not used though)`
`09:03.55`	`Shefki`	`Spell to determine GCD?`
`09:04.04`	`Orionshock`	`ya`
`09:04.16`	`Shefki`	`What did you hardcode it to?`
`09:05.18`	`Shefki`	`lol Find Herbs`
`09:05.33`	`syeren`	`Xinhuan, make your Tetris game work :P`
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`09:05.47`	`binder`	`hmm gelkis or magram centaur friendly as alliance?`
`09:05.55`	`Xinhuan`	`that requires a lot of rewrite`
`09:06.05`	`Xinhuan`	`primarily because in the past, SendAddonMessage() didn't exist`
`09:07.44`	`Orionshock`	`& shouldn't that make things easier?`
`09:07.56`	`Lukian`	`binder, skip that quest, it takes too long`
`09:09.04`	`Aiiane`	`well`
`09:09.09`	`Aiiane`	`dont skip the entire line`
`09:09.19`	`Xinhuan`	`no it means i have to rewrite the entire communications part of the addon ;p`
`09:09.25`	`jaxdahl`	`binder, pick one`
`09:09.27`	`Xinhuan`	`since its a 2player versus game`
`09:09.39`	`Orionshock`	`&?`
`09:10.06`	`Xinhuan`	`it means i cbf`
`09:10.09`	`Xinhuan`	`well kinda.`
`09:10.24`	`Orionshock`	`ok... so i've got Find Fish / find minerals / find herbs -- any ideas on other class specific spells that i can add?`
`09:10.27`	`Orionshock`	`that are just GCD?`
`09:11.39`	`Orionshock`	`syeren: never knew :\`
`09:11.42`	`Xinhuan`	`or do it the quartz way and nag until a GCD spell is keyed in`
`09:11.44`	`Shefki`	`Just do what Quartz does and let people select their own.`
`09:12.01`	`Orionshock`	`that would be a tad bit difficult`
`09:12.17`	`Orionshock`	`... then again i could use a slash command handler... tho i'd have to use a SV`
`09:12.19`	`Orionshock`	`:\`
`09:12.25`	`Shefki`	`Hmm the final flash stop following the cursor.`
`09:12.42`	`Orionshock`	`Shefki: ya...`
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`09:12.49`	`Orionshock`	`can't seem to figure that one out`
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`09:19.27`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79180 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Removed module categories from base prat. They'll need to be grepped out of the modules.`
`09:21.29`	`Xinhuan`	`who remembers this? http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/puzzlefighter2.jpg`
`09:21.31`	`Xinhuan`	`;p`
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`09:24.01`	`sylvanaar`	`im procrastinating on making the 3.0 branch...`
`09:24.11`	`Trell-`	`lol thats awesome, Xinhuan`
`09:24.28`	`Aiiane`	`hmm, is that 2.4compat, Xinhuan? :P`
`09:24.39`	`sylvanaar`	`lol Xinhuan`
`09:25.10`	`Xinhuan`	`that is pre-2.0 compat`
`09:25.18`	`Xinhuan`	`it uses whispers to play`
`09:25.28`	`Zhinjio`	`thats some sick shit right there.`
`09:25.28`	`Xinhuan`	`back when SendAddonMessage() doesn't exist`
`09:25.29`	`Aiiane`	`heh`
`09:25.35`	`Aiiane`	`wtb 2.4 rewrite`
`09:25.49`	`Xinhuan`	`so a rewrite will require me to redo the whole comms`
`09:25.56`	`Xinhuan`	`and also implement override bindings`
`09:26.18`	`Aiiane`	`i need something to do with my friend while we're waiting on the slower people to get explained bossfights :P`
`09:26.35`	`Xinhuan`	`lol i wrote that during naxx days`
`09:26.43`	`Xinhuan`	`i can tell you the games we had between faerlina wipes ;p`
`09:26.49`	`Aiiane`	`I need to find the 3d maze game`
`09:27.51`	`Aiiane`	`http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=3935 ah, here it is... hasnt been updated recently tho :/`
`09:29.03`	`Xinhuan`	`i even had code to allow different user-designed "skins" ;p`
`09:29.25`	`syeren`	`WTB Antihistamines.`
`09:29.27`	`Xinhuan`	`the comms code was ugly, since i used ugly hooks to hide the PMs`
`09:29.29`	`syeren`	`Will give gold :(`
`09:29.44`	`Trell-`	`has anyone got a screenshot of their ClassTimers in action, and not just with default settings? I'd need permission from you to use it in a review too - just a cropped shot of the timerbars though, nothing else on the UI.`
`09:30.04`	`Aiiane`	`let me check my screenshots folder`
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`09:32.47`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79181 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua Locale-koKR.lua announces/hunter.lua):`
`09:32.47`	`CIA-45`	`CastYeller:`
`09:32.47`	`CIA-45`	`- first move to get rid of Babble-Spell and handle items (not functionnal yet).`
`09:32.47`	`CIA-45`	`- removed BOM from Locale-koKR.lua.`
`09:33.25`	`Aiiane`	`doesnt look like it trell :/ i use classtimers on my pally but dont have any recent combat screenshots from her, since i started using it`
`09:33.42`	`Aiiane`	`I can give you a shot of my priest with a benevolent Mr. Pinchy if you want :D`
`09:34.36`	`Trell-`	`haha, not quite what I was looking for`
`09:34.41`	`Trell-`	`but thanks for the offer`
`09:34.59`	`Zhinjio`	`heheheheee... I have like 15 screenshots of me trying to get that damn pet`
`09:35.13`	`Zhinjio`	`I actually had two of the items at the same time once.`
`09:35.45`	`Zhinjio`	`http://geo.trippy.org/gallery2/v/gaming/wow/pets/MrPinchy/pinchy6.jpg.html`
`09:35.48`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`09:36.56`	`Xinhuan`	`oh god, i just looked at my old code`
`09:36.59`	`Trell-`	`what level base fishing do you have to be to get up and realistically fish in those lakes?`
`09:37.04`	`Xinhuan`	`it has a 1400 line XML file`
`09:37.17`	`Trell-`	`I'm 350 on my fishing char, and I really cannot be assed to level it more`
`09:37.40`	`Aiiane`	`you're only 25 from max`
`09:37.44`	`Trell-`	`got the big iron rod, with eternium line, +100 lure and the rum buff fishing drink`
`09:37.58`	`Trell-`	`I know im 25 from max, but its still gonna take a damn boring long time`
`09:38.16`	`Aiiane`	`shouldnt be more than an hour or so`
`09:38.44`	`Trell-`	`thought it was up to like 20 succesful casts per point once you hit 350`
`09:38.55`	`Xinhuan`	`in addition to a 1400 line xml file, i also have about 300 globals`
`09:38.59`	`Xinhuan`	`~_~`
`09:39.01`	`purl`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`09:39.02`	`Zhinjio`	`Trell-: 10 casts`
`09:39.19`	`Trell-`	`so thats 250 succesful casts in total?`
`09:39.25`	`Trell-`	`mmmm not as bad as I thought then`
`09:39.27`	`Zhinjio`	`and you're already good enough to fish them with those bonuses. you're still going to miss some casts, but thats life`
`09:39.47`	`Zhinjio`	`it will get marginally better as your get the last 25 points`
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`09:40.35`	`Zhinjio`	`and the good news is you'll be making good money on the lobsters along the way`
`09:40.46`	`Zhinjio`	`they're worth a fair bit (on my server, ymmv)`
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`09:43.57`	`Orionshock`	`anyone here know secure frame stuff really well? i ask b/c i'd like someone to take a look at an addon of mine and see if i can make it more automatic than what it is.`
`09:43.59`	`Orionshock`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8992-TargetRaidIcon-Demo.html`
`09:45.16`	`Aiiane`	`sounds similar to MagicTargets`
`09:45.27`	`Orionshock`	`humm...`
`09:45.32`	`Aiiane`	`might talk with NeoTron if he's around`
`09:45.40`	`Orionshock`	`indeed`
`09:51.22`	`Orionshock`	`Aiiane: something tells me that mine is a bit simpler than NeoTron's addon :D`
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`09:57.36`	`winkiller`	`BaudMark ftw`
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`10:03.53`	`Trell-`	`[Noble's Monocle] ftw`
`10:04.50`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79182 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua announces/hunter.lua): CastYeller: another step towards item announces.`
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`10:08.48`	`dieck_`	`hi! is there any way to move the raid warning texts?`
`10:10.03`	`Orionshock`	`dieck: yes`
`10:10.20`	`dieck`	`ok. so let me specify my question :) HOW do I move the raid warning texts? ;)`
`10:10.34`	`Orionshock`	`hehe....`
`10:10.40`	`Orionshock`	`visor2 does it`
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`10:10.46`	`Zyndrome`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/gallery/files/3/0/2/2/0/wowscrnshot_072408_173355_original.jpg`
`10:10.48`	`Zyndrome`	`stop! hammertime!`
`10:11.45`	`winkiller`	`is there an addon that lets me hand in 500 Dark iron residue with less clicks?`
`10:12.19`	`dieck`	`I think I used something called TurnIn`
`10:12.29`	`dieck`	`1 click per turnin or something like that`
`10:12.30`	`Orionshock`	`winkiller: automation?`
`10:12.31`	`winkiller`	`funnily my ally rogue could hand in the AV crystals automatically whereas that never workedo n my horde chars with blood`
`10:12.47`	`Orionshock`	`profalbert: ping`
`10:13.12`	`winkiller`	`ah thanks`
`10:13.28`	`Orionshock`	`anyone know if the current version of parrot is broken?`
`10:13.51`	`Zhinjio`	`Orionshock: I'm not having issues with it`
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`10:17.09`	`cncfanatics`	`hello all, back :)`
`10:17.13`	`Orionshock`	`only getting loot events`
`10:17.32`	`Zhinjio`	`cncfanatics: THANK GOD!`
`10:17.49`	`cncfanatics`	`Zhinjio: ?`
`10:18.00`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm just being an ass. don't mind me.`
`10:18.13`	`cncfanatics`	`good, at least you know you're an ass too`
`10:18.34`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm not sure I am one, but I can certainly play the part on tv when I need to.`
`10:18.35`	`Orionshock`	`cncfanatics: & the obligatory upload http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9736-CursorCooldown.html`
`10:18.55`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: gonna do the same with quickhealth when its done`
`10:19.53`	`cncfanatics`	`won't be for this weekend though, I want to play some :p`
`10:20.11`	`Xinhuan`	`Orionshock, interested in ugly non-working code? ;p`
`10:20.25`	`Orionshock`	`sure`
`10:20.29`	`Orionshock`	`im not bias`
`10:20.30`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/PuzzleFighter.zip`
`10:20.40`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`10:20.48`	`Orionshock`	`u want me to re work the comms in that?`
`10:20.57`	`Xinhuan`	`no, you'll kill yourself just reading it`
`10:21.09`	`Xinhuan`	`about 500 globals in the file ;p`
`10:21.11`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan: give quickhealth a go please if you use grid/pitbull`
`10:21.15`	`Ellipsis`	`spanks Xinhuan`
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`10:21.30`	`Ellipsis`	`he uses xperl`
`10:21.44`	`Xinhuan`	`and it works on the assumption that FPS will throttle the updates, since i didn't throtle the onupdates`
`10:22.04`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan: so basicly, 200fps = kill ? :p`
`10:22.07`	`Xinhuan`	`and it still uses deprecated getn() and string.len and math.mod ;p`
`10:22.15`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah the on screen stuff wuld update and animate too fast ;p`
`10:22.29`	`cncfanatics`	`GetTime() rocks so hard :p`
`10:22.50`	`Xinhuan`	`i didn't even know how GetTime() works and assumed it would rollover at midnight too`
`10:22.56`	`Xinhuan`	`and had code for that`
`10:23.05`	`cncfanatics`	`lol`
`10:23.15`	`cncfanatics`	`GetTime() returns system uptime in ms iirc`
`10:23.20`	`Xinhuan`	`exactly`
`10:23.33`	`Xinhuan`	`actually it returns it in seconds`
`10:23.42`	`cncfanatics`	`with ms precision*`
`10:23.43`	`Xinhuan`	`but with ms precision (0.001 precision)`
`10:23.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`that can rollover though`
`10:23.59`	`cncfanatics`	`it shouldn't be able to rollover`
`10:24.08`	`Orionshock`	`Xinhuan: wow`
`10:24.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`blame microsoft`
`10:24.12`	`Orionshock`	`early code?`
`10:24.14`	`Xinhuan`	`if its in seconds, it can't rollover unless you dn't reboot your comp for 2^30 seconds or something`
`10:24.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`rolls over in something like 47 days`
`10:24.34`	`cncfanatics`	`comps with 47 days uptime most likely don't run wow`
`10:24.40`	`Ellipsis`	`uh, no`
`10:24.49`	`Ellipsis`	`47 days isn't that much`
`10:25.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`or atleast certain parts of windows for returning uptime rollover after like 47 days`
`10:25.04`	`Ellipsis`	`that's less than 7 weeks uptime`
`10:25.29`	`cncfanatics`	`my windows box , the rare times I use it (sadly, lately, a lot) usualy gets a reboot every few days`
`10:25.35`	`cncfanatics`	`simply because it gets too slow if I don't do that ;(`
`10:25.59`	`Ellipsis`	`my windows boxen usually get rebooted every 4-8 weeks`
`10:26.00`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah but wow goes down every 7 days`
`10:26.15`	`cncfanatics`	`wow has nothing to do with that`
`10:26.20`	`cncfanatics`	`if ur comp has been booted for 46 days`
`10:26.28`	`cncfanatics`	`and u start wow and leave it on till 48 days`
`10:26.29`	`Ellipsis`	`isn't GetTime based on system time, rather than game uptime?`
`10:26.31`	`cncfanatics`	`then it'll have rolled over`
`10:26.36`	`cncfanatics`	`yea its system uptime`
`10:26.42`	`Xinhuan`	`how did u get 46 days?`
`10:26.57`	`Xinhuan`	`gettime() doesn't return in ms, it returns in seconds`
`10:26.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`not even sure if that will happen though`
`10:27.19`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan: the windows time is kept in ms`
`10:27.22`	`cncfanatics`	`and thats what WoW uses`
`10:27.55`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think windows is that dumb to assume that uptime can't be longer than 46 days`
`10:28.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`100% sure it did in NT4`
`10:28.36`	`Xinhuan`	`we're talking xp here ;p`
`10:28.47`	`cncfanatics`	`we're talking about microsoft, everything is possible`
`10:28.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah do you know how many bugs have never been fixed in windows`
`10:29.07`	`sylvanaar`	`does microsoft?`
`10:29.13`	`cncfanatics`	`more then the amount that has been fixed , Arrowmaster :p`
`10:29.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`the multiple file selection one is so annoying`
`10:30.07`	`cncfanatics`	`the one where it takes about 3 hours to spawn the right click menu when having lots of files selected ?`
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`10:30.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`my media player even has code in it to avoid that damn bug`
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`10:30.28`	`cncfanatics`	`oh , another one it seems , what one ?`
`10:30.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`no the one where when you select a bunch of files the last one is given first`
`10:30.53`	`Xinhuan`	`so anyway Orionshock`
`10:31.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`if it wasnt for the special code in my media player, if i selected say 12 files in a series numbered 1-12`
`10:31.07`	`Xinhuan`	`if u checked that code youll agree with me that "rewriting the comms code" isn't exactly the solution`
`10:31.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`they would be inported into the playlist as 12,1-11`
`10:31.29`	`cncfanatics`	`fail`
`10:31.37`	`Orionshock`	`Xinhuan: this is true`
`10:31.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`it even does it with moving files`
`10:31.49`	`cncfanatics`	`Arrowmaster: if you want to have fun`
`10:31.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`it always moves the last file first then the rest`
`10:31.59`	`cncfanatics`	`try selecting 30+ files/folders`
`10:32.08`	`cncfanatics`	`and then trying the get the right click menu to spawn`
`10:32.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive never had that one before`
`10:32.25`	`Xinhuan`	`took 0.2 second`
`10:32.32`	`cncfanatics`	`takes about 5 mins for me :s`
`10:32.34`	`Orionshock`	`Xinhuan: i might be up to the task of re writing it`
`10:32.37`	`Xinhuan`	`rightclick menu is based on how many explorer extensions you have installed`
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`10:32.41`	`Orionshock`	`i need something else to do`
`10:32.47`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan: zero here`
`10:32.51`	`cncfanatics`	`oh, wait`
`10:32.54`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm on my dad's comp`
`10:32.57`	`Xinhuan`	`i doubt you understand all the mechanics of the tetris algos`
`10:32.59`	`Zhinjio`	`Orionshock: review my code! grin`
`10:32.59`	`cncfanatics`	`and he loves installing tons of totaly useless stuff`
`10:33.00`	`Xinhuan`	`;p`
`10:33.08`	`Orionshock`	`Zhinjio: the hell no`
`10:33.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan: I wrote tetris in java a few weeks ago :p`
`10:33.12`	`Zhinjio`	`hahaha`
`10:33.15`	`cncfanatics`	`I could prolly do it`
`10:33.22`	`Xinhuan`	`this isn't really tetris though`
`10:33.23`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:33.23`	`Zhinjio`	`even Xinhuan is skeert`
`10:33.26`	`Zhinjio`	`grins.`
`10:33.34`	`Xinhuan`	`and its 2 player ;p`
`10:33.38`	`CIA-45`	`03cremor * r79183 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.toc: sRaidFrames: Fixed references to SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0 in toc to allow automatic downloading by updaters.`
`10:33.52`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway`
`10:33.56`	`Xinhuan`	`the gem bursting is breadth-first search recursive`
`10:34.01`	`cncfanatics`	`what exactly is hard about making tetris ?`
`10:34.05`	`Orionshock`	`and Zhinjio on that note, Xinhuan u wana take a look at one of my addons and see what can be done to make it better?`
`10:34.18`	`Xinhuan`	`not really`
`10:34.22`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`10:34.26`	`Orionshock`	`had to ask :P`
`10:34.34`	`Xinhuan`	`considering if i should spend 10 days to rewrite this for the wowi contest ;p`
`10:34.41`	`cncfanatics`	`10 days ???`
`10:34.43`	`Vulcanus`	`he will pay you 5 internets to do it xin`
`10:34.57`	`cncfanatics`	`I wrote a java (granted, singleplayer) tetris in a night`
`10:35.00`	`cncfanatics`	`it ain't that much work`
`10:35.02`	`Xinhuan`	`well its like 12 days to the deadline`
`10:35.05`	`Ellipsis`	`mmm, five whole internets`
`10:35.10`	`Xinhuan`	`cncfanatics, have u looked at the code?`
`10:35.14`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/PuzzleFighter.zip`
`10:35.18`	`cncfanatics`	`if code is worthless, throw it away :p`
`10:35.30`	`Xinhuan`	`its NOT tetris`
`10:35.33`	`Xinhuan`	`its merely similar`
`10:35.34`	`Vulcanus`	`yeap elli, and this is not any random internets. this is top quality internets, that you just don't get anywhere else`
`10:35.51`	`Ellipsis`	`five of your finest internets please, sir!`
`10:35.54`	`Xinhuan`	`in tetris you merely check rows, and drop rows down, that's simple`
`10:35.57`	`Xinhuan`	`this is far more complex`
`10:36.05`	`cncfanatics`	`I'll check soonish`
`10:36.10`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway, anyone good at making forum post ?`
`10:36.11`	`Xinhuan`	`i employ animation in everything so its smooth too`
`10:36.14`	`cncfanatics`	`I'd have to make one for QuickHealth`
`10:36.24`	`Ellipsis`	`Xinhuan: it looks kinda like the swordfighting game in puzzle pirates tbh`
`10:36.29`	`Vulcanus`	`starts singing the "you wouldn't get these from any other guy!" while packaging up some internets for Ellipsis`
`10:36.33`	`Xinhuan`	`it is Ellipsis`
`10:36.41`	`Xinhuan`	`puzzle pirates is based on puzzle fighter`
`10:36.49`	`Xinhuan`	`from Capcom`
`10:36.52`	`Xinhuan`	`an arcane game`
`10:36.55`	`Xinhuan`	`arcade*`
`10:36.55`	`Ellipsis`	`o rly`
`10:36.59`	`Xinhuan`	`ya`
`10:37.07`	`Ellipsis`	`freaking mages, you think everything's all about the arcane :P`
`10:37.11`	`Vulcanus`	`arcane game huh XD somebody has played too much wow`
`10:37.23`	`Xinhuan`	`they merely rename the thing so they don't infringe on capcom's copyright`
`10:37.24`	`cncfanatics`	`~fail Xinhuan`
`10:37.24`	`purl`	`Xinhuan: FAIL!`
`10:37.33`	`Xinhuan`	`on puzzle fighter`
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`10:38.32`	`Xinhuan`	`also converting 1400 lines of xml to lua isn't trivial ~_~`
`10:38.46`	`Vulcanus`	`ew xml`
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`10:39.33`	`Vulcanus`	`only problem I have with moving to CreateFrame is that it's bloody hard to make dynamic enough code that still supports dynamic tooltips`
`10:39.57`	`Xinhuan`	`that's pretty easy`
`10:40.05`	`Vulcanus`	`for you maybe :p`
`10:40.06`	`Xinhuan`	`myframe.tooltiptext = "some stuff"`
`10:40.20`	`Xinhuan`	`hten just a generic onenter that creates a tooltip using myframe.tooltiptext`
`10:41.06`	`Xinhuan`	`where myframe is just the frame created with CreateFrame()`
`10:41.27`	`Xinhuan`	`GameTooltip:AddText(self.tooltiptext)`
`10:41.32`	`Xinhuan`	`something like that anyway`
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`10:42.16`	`Vulcanus`	`hm, I might need to do something like that for the module-based frames in this addon. I have like 5 frames that are global frames, and a fair number of other frames that are dynamic based on what modules are loaded`
`10:44.15`	`Xinhuan`	`problem with that addon is that i have over 300 frames and they are all in global namespace... including the 100+ functions and another 30 localization strings`
`10:44.44`	`Xinhuan`	`so while the addon works, its just "bad coding" ;p`
`10:46.26`	`Vulcanus`	`hehe yea the way Im making this one is to get functionality done first, trying to keep good coding practices in mind but focus on making it work, then I can review it and see how to make it better later`
`10:47.03`	`Vulcanus`	`for now I have all functions in the global object, but once all functionality is done Ill shift functions about so as to make internal functions local, so that they don't appear in the API used by modules`
`10:47.35`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79184 10Talented/chat.lua: Talented: Removed category from the Prat plugin`
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`10:49.56`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79185 10Prat/ (37 files in 4 dirs): Prat: Removed the categories and statuses tables. Grep'ed out category specification in every module. Deleted the deprecated presets module. Its been long enough, they shouldn't have the old one anymore.`
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`10:53.32`	`Orionshock`	`think we'll catch up with wow's build number by the time wotlk comes out?`
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`10:54.47`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: by that time wowace will have been scrapped in favor of the new software`
`10:54.54`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`10:54.54`	`cncfanatics`	`s/wowace/the wowace software/`
`10:55.00`	`Orionshock`	`ya`
`10:55.22`	`cncfanatics`	`btw Orionshock`
`10:55.28`	`cncfanatics`	`are you good at writing announcements ? :p`
`10:55.42`	`cncfanatics`	`also, someone reported an eror on ur wowi`
`10:55.47`	`Orionshock`	`no really i either sound to overly dramatic or an ass`
`10:56.01`	`cncfanatics`	`CursorCooldown.lua:80: attempt to compare number with nil`
`10:56.02`	`Vulcanus`	`lmao`
`10:56.07`	`cncfanatics`	`CursorCooldown.lua:59: attempt to compare number with nil`
`10:56.15`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: I'm guessing you're relying on people being herbalists`
`10:56.18`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79186 10Prat/ (Prat.lua extras/Frameworks.lua): Prat: Delete a relic from the framework wars`
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`11:00.33`	`Orionshock`	`cncfanatics: well kinda mid raid in TK so updating is going to be interesting atm`
`11:00.33`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: u using quickhealth ? (a)`
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`11:11.20`	`copystring`	`there is any other way to detect minimap shape changes other then with OnUpdate?`
`11:12.35`	`Xinhuan`	`only OnUpdate()`
`11:12.35`	`Ellipsis`	`in an addon-neutral way? probably not`
`11:12.44`	`copystring`	`:<`
`11:12.47`	`Xinhuan`	`unless the minimap addon provides callbacks, you have to check every frame`
`11:13.14`	`Ellipsis`	`you might be able to hook the minimap's mask function`
`11:13.24`	`Ellipsis`	`but that'd be kinda messy`
`11:13.26`	`copystring`	`it has to addon neutral`
`11:13.31`	`copystring`	`to be*`
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`11:14.29`	`Ellipsis`	`minimap shape changes are fairly rare though, maybe you could put in a manual refresh/update button so that the user can click it when they mess with their minimap?`
`11:14.54`	`Ellipsis`	`(no clue what you're actually doing, just a wild stab in the dark)`
`11:15.22`	`copystring`	`LDB display for minimap buttons`
`11:15.27`	`copystring`	`"Barrel"`
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`11:35.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i was mistaken Orionshock, my addon has 879 globals ;p`
`11:36.06`	`profalbert`	`cncfanatics: ping`
`11:37.53`	`Xinhuan`	`i also fixed communications so it works now!`
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`11:42.33`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`11:42.44`	`Orionshock`	`i knew you'd be able to do it :D`
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`11:45.43`	`Xinhuan`	`the problem is the 879 globals and the string concats with getglobal() to get all those frames`
`11:45.48`	`Xinhuan`	`:(`
`11:45.55`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79187 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.toc:`
`11:45.55`	`CIA-45`	`LibQuickHealth-1.0: remove LibStub and Callbackhandler from X-Embeds and`
`11:45.55`	`CIA-45`	`OptDeps`
`11:46.16`	`cncfanatics`	`ty profalbert`
`11:46.32`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone know an addon to display the swing timer of my target/focus ?`
`11:47.00`	`profalbert`	`quartz maybe? dunno`
`11:47.05`	`cncfanatics`	`thats for urself only`
`11:47.36`	`profalbert`	`quartz listens to combatlog for the swingtimers, right?`
`11:47.44`	`cncfanatics`	`no idea`
`11:47.54`	`cncfanatics`	`prolly not`
`11:47.57`	`cncfanatics`	`combatlog is messy for dual wield timers`
`11:48.04`	`profalbert`	`right`
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`11:49.30`	`cncfanatics`	`btw profalbert: I made a forum post for quickhealth`
`11:50.30`	`profalbert`	`where?`
`11:50.49`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14411.0`
`11:50.51`	`profalbert`	`ah found it`
`11:51.47`	`profalbert`	`why not in the libraries-section?`
`11:51.59`	`cncfanatics`	`its for QuickHealth_PitBull and QuickHealth_Grid`
`11:52.03`	`cncfanatics`	`which are not libraries`
`11:52.08`	`profalbert`	`hmm ok`
`11:52.33`	`cncfanatics`	`would just be silly to make a library thread + one thread for every module`
`11:52.51`	`Industrial`	`it would be silly to make a library for every module`
`11:53.29`	`cncfanatics`	`eh, why would there be a library for every module?`
`11:53.34`	`syeren`	`profalbert, are you looking to add any new features to Parrot while your head of developing / maintaining it, or are you just ermm... maintaining it1`
`11:53.36`	`syeren`	`*!?`
`11:54.29`	`profalbert`	`syeren: I try to add new features too, but my focus is on getting all previous features back and hold parrot stable`
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`11:54.41`	`syeren`	`Oki doki.`
`11:54.53`	`cncfanatics`	`profalbert: ur maintaining parrot for wotlk ? :o`
`11:54.54`	`cncfanatics`	`good stuff`
`11:55.11`	`profalbert`	`there's a branch for Parrot/WotLK`
`11:55.19`	`profalbert`	`by me ;)`
`11:55.27`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm not in beta yet, but I hope to be soon`
`11:56.19`	`profalbert`	`I hoped curseforge would add the ability to upload wotlk-addons`
`11:56.29`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 07ExpOpts * r79188 10Prat/: Prat: Experimental branch to see the effect of removing the options menus, and running from existing saved variables`
`11:56.45`	`profalbert`	`but the only site offering such a section is wow-interface afaik`
`11:56.47`	`cncfanatics`	`well, I tend to juse use my own git repos these days`
`11:57.26`	`profalbert`	`I'm really looking forward to the CF-wowace`
`11:58.41`	`sylvanaar`	`i hope that went to the right branch`
`11:58.43`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 07ExpOpts * r79189 10Prat/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Prat: Removed the calls to GetModuleOptions and GetModuleAutoOptions, and fixed all the errors it will run. The prat side of the options code is still there, removing it next.`
`11:58.51`	`sylvanaar`	`pfew`
`11:58.53`	`ckknight`	`profalbert: we'll add in proper WotLK support soon enough.`
`11:59.19`	`cncfanatics`	`sylvanaar: what u doing ? :o`
`11:59.20`	`Xinhuan`	`can anyone explain to me how override bindings work ?`
`11:59.49`	`ckknight`	`http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/drtypesos/Oh%20yeeeah/mindfuck.jpg`
`11:59.52`	`ckknight`	`^--- I don't get it`
`12:00.26`	`sylvanaar`	`cncfanatics experimenting to see what changes will have the greatest effect if i implement them in Prat 3.0`
`12:01.17`	`sylvanaar`	`some things you may think use memory actually dont`
`12:01.28`	`sylvanaar`	`so, everything has to be tested`
`12:03.29`	`sylvanaar`	`the modules' options code used 300k for all 30+ of them (on the module side), i think it may be around 150k on the prat side. so ~500k for handling options`
`12:04.50`	`sylvanaar`	`that doesnt include the memory used by the modules themselves for their actual purpose`
`12:05.53`	`Zyndrome`	`that's the thing, ckknight ... the idea is that you keep looking for something that doesn't exist :P`
`12:06.12`	`ckknight`	`:-(`
`12:08.45`	`profalbert`	`cncfanatics: your link to the grid-module is broken`
`12:08.47`	`profalbert`	`in the thread`
`12:08.48`	`profalbert`	`http://files.wowace.com/PitBull_QuickHealth/Grid_QuickHealth.zip`
`12:09.31`	`profalbert`	`ï»¿http://files.wowace.com/Grid_QuickHealth/Grid_QuickHealth.zip would do the trick i guess`
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`12:13.09`	`profalbert`	`~quickhealth`
`12:13.10`	`purl`	`[quickhealth] very similar to InstantHealth, is an that it tries to get around the 0.3seconds health update throttle from the server by getting data more often in the combatlog.`
`12:13.33`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 07ExpOpts * r79190 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Removed some of the prat core options calls (not the code)`
`12:14.02`	`sylvanaar`	`ok, thats enough cia spam for a little while`
`12:14.47`	`sylvanaar`	`goes to find the fedex lady who has his package`
`12:15.15`	`FinalX`	`hm, does anyone know if the current autobar version handles SSO daily quest items?`
`12:15.26`	`FinalX`	`think i havent updated my autobar for a while :P`
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`12:29.54`	`CIA-45`	`03Copystring * r79191 10Barrel/ (Config.lua Core.lua):`
`12:29.54`	`CIA-45`	`Barrel:`
`12:29.54`	`CIA-45`	`- bug fix for Fubar2Broker`
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`12:36.02`	`CIA-45`	`03Copystring * r79193 10Barrel/Config.lua:`
`12:36.02`	`CIA-45`	`Barrel:`
`12:36.02`	`CIA-45`	`- fix a typo`
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`13:03.16`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79194 10PitBull_QuickHealth/PitBull_QuickHealth.toc:`
`13:03.16`	`CIA-45`	`PitBull_QuickHealth:`
`13:03.16`	`CIA-45`	`- remove LibStub and CallbackHandler from X-Embeds and OptDeps`
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`13:37.28`	`ckknight`	`anyone awake I can bounce ideas off of?`
`13:37.41`	`syeren`	`MOI.`
`13:37.43`	`Zyndrome`	`lurks`
`13:37.49`	`ckknight`	`good enough`
`13:37.56`	`cncfanatics`	`<-- also still awake :p`
`13:38.00`	`ckknight`	`so I'm going to start on Cartographer3_InstancePOIs`
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`13:38.21`	`ckknight`	`I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to improve it over Cartographer_InstanceNotes`
`13:38.33`	`ckknight`	`I can pretty much do anything within reason`
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`13:39.05`	`ckknight`	`from a user's perspective, not from someone hacking on the code, I'll clean that up as well, but not focusing on that right now`
`13:39.54`	`syeren`	`Is this basically the loot part of cart?`
`13:40.03`	`ckknight`	`not the loot part`
`13:40.06`	`ckknight`	`(yet)`
`13:40.14`	`ckknight`	`specifically how the POIs show up on the map`
`13:40.15`	`ckknight`	`and such`
`13:40.21`	`cncfanatics`	`well`
`13:40.26`	`cncfanatics`	`something to show the patrol route would be nice`
`13:40.29`	`cncfanatics`	`for bosses that patrol`
`13:41.21`	`Antiarc`	`http://rainbowdivider.com/`
`13:41.51`	`Stanzilla`	`that's scary, Antiarc`
`13:41.55`	`cncfanatics`	`agree`
`13:43.49`	`ckknight`	`hrm, would it be overkill to show a boss's portrait on the map? :-P`
`13:44.19`	`cncfanatics`	`depends how its done`
`13:44.32`	`cncfanatics`	`as long as the download doesn't get too big I think it'd be fine`
`13:44.37`	`Zhinjio`	`I think that is induce a siezure if I watch it too long`
`13:44.45`	`Pneumatus`	`it would be nice if cart_instanceloot showed trash mob drops as they are in PT :)`
`13:44.54`	`selckin`	`would have on the on mouse over or sometehing, would hide the map too much`
`13:45.02`	`profalbert`	`I would show the portrait in the tooltip`
`13:45.04`	`ckknight`	`selckin: yea, that's what I was thinking`
`13:45.21`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone know what event fires when you release in a TK instance (and thus get rezzed without spirit heal)`
`13:45.25`	`cncfanatics`	`UNIT_HEALTH doesn't trigger at all`
`13:45.36`	`selckin`	`or have it in the note, as part of some sort of header with some more meta data`
`13:46.31`	`cncfanatics`	`I'd show an icon suitable for the boss on the map`
`13:46.39`	`cncfanatics`	`and a real portrait on tooltip / notes`
`13:46.43`	`ckknight`	`well, I'm just looking at atlas's maps and all, seeing if I want to do it the way they do and such`
`13:46.44`	`ckknight`	`http://www.atlasmod.com/wowhead/WailingCaverns.html`
`13:46.48`	`ckknight`	`they use numbers and letters`
`13:46.59`	`ckknight`	`Cart has primarily used raid icons (skull, square, etc.)`
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`13:47.20`	`selckin`	`i've always prefered atlas+atlasloot, think they do it well`
`13:47.34`	`ckknight`	`selckin: yea, they provide a good product. I want to trump it somehow`
`13:47.58`	`Pneumatus`	`i use cart particularly because it rolls gathering mods etc in`
`13:48.41`	`ckknight`	`k, gonna shower`
`13:48.51`	`selckin`	`the good think with atlas is that it gives a instant good overview`
`13:49.00`	`selckin`	`dont' have to go around clickign the icons to know whats what`
`13:49.08`	`Pneumatus`	`i think the fact its kind of "all-map-mods-in-one" is my fav feature`
`13:51.09`	`Ellipsis`	`pfft, rainbow dividers`
`13:51.20`	`Ellipsis`	`time cube > all: http://www.timecube.com/`
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`13:51.48`	`Antiarc`	`I've actually been using Mapster because Cart seems to slow down my zone in time significantly :(`
`13:52.07`	`Antiarc`	`Like, my load-in time was cut to a third of its old time when I turned Cart off`
`13:52.23`	`selckin`	`lol Ellipsis wot the`
`13:52.36`	`Ellipsis`	`indeed.`
`13:53.43`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79195 10GatherMate/Constants.lua: GatherMate: Added commented list of new zones and sizes to be check in wrath NOT active`
`13:57.06`	`charon`	`hmm sadly it seems Antiarc is right`
`13:57.38`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, I saw that too.`
`13:57.46`	`Zhinjio`	`I figured ck would get around to fixing that eventually`
`13:57.51`	`profalbert`	`cncfanatics: ping`
`13:57.54`	`Zhinjio`	`and I'd use Mapster/Routes in the meantime.`
`13:58.13`	`Zhinjio`	`and whatever the gatherer mod is... forget the name`
`13:58.19`	`Stanzilla`	`GatherMate`
`13:58.26`	`Zhinjio`	`that'd be the one`
`14:01.26`	`ckknight`	`selckin: yea, I'm contemplating having some kind of legend, like Atlas does, either that or have text next to the icons easily, like I do with battlegrounds and group members`
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`14:27.54`	`Zhinjio`	`bedtime. Peace, y'all.`
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`14:39.38`	`charon`	`~seen uhuru`
`14:39.42`	`purl`	`uhuru <n=grut@AAnnecy-157-1-11-199.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 59d 18h 56m 49s ago, saying: 'charon i will test later, thank's'.`
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`14:44.49`	`Chompers`	`Ellipsis`
`14:44.51`	`Chompers`	`"Academia teaches evil android singularity,`
`14:44.51`	`Chompers`	`displacing families with today's androids`
`14:45.08`	`Chompers`	`i totally agree, thank you for the link`
`14:47.18`	`Ellipsis`	`glad to be of service`
`14:49.31`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79196 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.lua: LibQuickHealth-1.0: (supposedly) fix a bug where health wouldn't update correctly when using the spirit rezzer or when releasing out of TK instances. (needs testing)`
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`14:53.30`	`Stiven`	`yo`
`14:55.32`	`Silencer`	`are there any wowace addon for wotlk that i can use`
`14:55.41`	`cncfanatics`	ag`: about quickhealth, I'd suggest adding support for it as a seperate module, for maximum control of what its doing
`14:55.47`	`Silencer`	`like chatter / fubar and bartender /`
`14:56.12`	`Antiarc`	`Chatter is fixes for it, yeah`
`14:56.17`	`Antiarc`	`There's a link on wowinterface`
`14:56.37`	`Silencer`	`well some page :P where i can see working ace addonz for wotlk :)`
`14:56.38`	`Silencer`	`would be nice`
`14:56.50`	`cncfanatics`	`there's a thread on the beta forums`
`14:56.53`	`cncfanatics`	`with just that`
`14:56.54`	`Silencer`	`since i can't :P play in normal interface ;) it killez me alot`
`14:57.02`	`Silencer`	`cncfanatics, on on EU boards :(`
`14:57.13`	`Silencer`	`looks like i need to look US -.-`
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`14:57.32`	`Ellipsis`	`mumbles about addon addicts`
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`15:02.59`	`Fisker-`	`Ellipsis' Ellipsis`
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`15:03.18`	`sylvanaar`	`why am i constantly being portscanned by 85.190.0.3`
`15:03.37`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone have any ideas`
`15:04.00`	`Shirik`	`what's your gateway?`
`15:04.13`	VonhintenHOME`	`proxyscan.freenode.net`
`15:04.23`	`sylvanaar`	`oh`
`15:04.24`	`Vangual`	`that's the freenode scanner checking if you're in reality a misconfigured open proxy`
`15:04.33`	`sylvanaar`	`well, its on overdrive`
`15:04.51`	`Pneumatus`	`amagad dirty hack to SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0 to make it work in wotlk`
`15:04.54`	`Shirik`	`"Screw this sylvanaar guy he's evil must kill him"`
`15:05.15`	`sylvanaar`	`all my helicopters have crashed Shirik`
`15:05.29`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`15:05.37`	`Shirik`	`stop crashing them!`
`15:05.53`	`sylvanaar`	`they are so inherently unstable`
`15:05.57`	`Shirik`	`Wait, are you doing unmanned system?`
`15:06.03`	`Shirik`	`or are you just crashing it yourself`
`15:06.12`	`sylvanaar`	`well, i never made it to the unmanned part`
`15:06.15`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`15:06.38`	`Shirik`	`I've never actually flown an RC helicopter but I hear that they are indeed a bit difficult to control`
`15:06.48`	`Shirik`	`helicopters in general are`
`15:06.53`	VonhintenHOME`	`sylv, http://proxyscan.freenode.net/`
`15:07.18`	`sylvanaar`	thanks VonhintenHOME`, when i looked up that ip on whois it was in the netherlands
`15:07.36`	`sylvanaar`	`that threw me off`
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`15:16.49`	`digmouse`	`GatherMate supports Cartographer too?`
`15:17.35`	`kagaro`	`GatherMate should work with any map addon`
`15:17.52`	`profalbert`	`GatherMate works with Cartographer`
`15:17.57`	`digmouse`	`nice news`
`15:18.04`	`profalbert`	`with 3 for sure`
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`15:18.28`	`digmouse`	`switching back to cartographer cuz I need Cartographer_QuestInfo`
`15:18.59`	`Pneumatus`	`anyone know where to contact tekkub for bug reporting?`
`15:19.35`	`digmouse`	`to his WOWinterface portal or his WoWInterface release page`
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`15:19.58`	`digmouse`	`or see whether he has his addons on curseforge, if does, use ticket`
`15:20.11`	`steino`	`http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues/list`
`15:20.37`	`digmouse`	`ya, that's it`
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`15:21.04`	`Pneumatus`	`hmm, maybe he isnt maintaing SpecialEvents-Aura anymore then, as its not in his gcode downloads likst`
`15:21.06`	`Pneumatus`	`*list`
`15:21.26`	`digmouse`	`ping him on wowuidev`
`15:21.33`	`digmouse`	`or here`
`15:21.40`	`steino`	`his addons isnt on gcode anymore`
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`15:22.05`	`Gagorian`	`SEA is outdated`
`15:22.23`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, Grid still uses it though, and its bitching in wotlk`
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`15:22.27`	`Saroz`	`but unreplacable :S`
`15:22.44`	`\|Deathray\|`	`Hello everyone.`
`15:23.09`	`Saroz`	`I'd throw it out if I had some alternative to UnitHasDebuffType()`
`15:23.37`	`Pneumatus`	`easily enough fixed thoug, GetPlayerBuff has been removed in favor of UnitBuff() and UnitDebuff()`
`15:23.45`	`Saroz`	`UnitAura`
`15:23.46`	`Pneumatus`	`so its just a case of stripping out a bit of conditional`
`15:24.06`	`Saroz`	`should make SEA more sleek too`
`15:24.34`	VonhintenHOME`	`Who's addons aren't on gcode anymore?`
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`15:25.04`	`\|Deathray\|`	`If I want to learn how to script / program - would writing wow addon's help me elsewhere than wow?`
`15:25.19`	`Pneumatus`	`basic programming skill is language independant`
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`15:26.40`	`\|Deathray\|`	`Okay, what language is wow addons ? Perl, python or ruby?`
`15:26.46`	`Pneumatus`	`Lua`
`15:26.56`	`\|Deathray\|`	`oh lol :P`
`15:27.34`	`digmouse`	`I bought a Programming in Lua last week`
`15:30.16`	`\|Deathray\|`	`digmouse: What do you mean?`
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`15:31.04`	`digmouse`	`i just mean I bought a PiL last week, O.o any problem?`
`15:31.45`	`Ellipsis`	`~pil`
`15:31.45`	`purl`	`Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.`
`15:32.26`	`\|Deathray\|`	`Ah okay, now I'm with you :P`
`15:32.47`	`digmouse`	`and read the first 3 pages in 4 days`
`15:37.42`	VonhintenHOME`	`!rating 1602`
`15:37.42`	`Xinhuan`	`1602 rating gives 467(5s), 411(3s) and 355(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`15:38.06`	`digmouse`	`grats, made it to 1600`
`15:38.39`	VonhintenHOME`	`Yeah, occassionally will get upwards of 1615, and then get punted back to mid 1500's`
`15:38.55`	`\|Deathray\|`	`!rating 2000`
`15:38.56`	`Xinhuan`	`2000 rating gives 1054(5s), 928(3s) and 801(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
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`15:39.05`	VonhintenHOME`	`depending on how many warriors we run into...`
`15:39.14`	`digmouse`	`!rating 1317`
`15:39.14`	`Xinhuan`	`1317 rating gives 303(5s), 267(3s) and 230(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`15:39.17`	`digmouse`	`that's mine`
`15:39.24`	VonhintenHOME`	`:)`
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`15:46.03`	`Antiarc`	`For us, it's paladins`
`15:46.12`	`Antiarc`	`Fortunately, there aren't many paladin teams past 1850 or so`
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`16:08.43`	`sylvanaar`	`man i started using this gamers-irc, and i cant get the chat to look right`
`16:09.14`	`Antiarc`	`looooooooooooooool`
`16:09.15`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPoaovzD6x4`
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`16:10.42`	`Shirik`	`Antiarc: rofl`
`16:10.59`	`sylvanaar`	`fair and balanced ;)`
`16:11.04`	`Antiarc`	`That's truly amazing.`
`16:11.16`	`Zyndrome`	`fgds`
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`16:13.44`	`Vulcanus`	`I think you meant to sya, fgts`
`16:13.45`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:14.08`	`TheDarkWizard`	`Hello, can I speak to somoene who have the right to update "Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua" or can authorise me to add a ligne into it ? (SOrry for my english)`
`16:14.22`	`Shirik`	`francais?`
`16:14.38`	`TheDarkWizard`	`Shirik > Yes, I'm french.`
`16:16.06`	`Zyndrome`	`someone spank Tuller, Dominos is in dire need to have editable values via keyboard input and not just sliders ... "I'll just set this bar size to 80 ... no I said 80, not 79 ... 81 .. 79 ... 81 ..." etc etc`
`16:16.11`	`Zyndrome`	`grey hair`
`16:16.40`	`Shirik`	`GetMouseFocus():SetValue(80) :P`
`16:16.57`	`Shirik`	`that's actually probably a bad idea`
`16:17.22`	`Zyndrome`	`it's just by a stroke of luck I get what I want :C`
`16:18.01`	`[Ammo]`	`Zyndrome: click the text below the slider`
`16:18.05`	`[Ammo]`	`you should be able to edit it`
`16:18.11`	`[Ammo]`	`I think`
`16:18.30`	`Zyndrome`	`you can't :P`
`16:18.50`	`Zyndrome`	`(the numbers are next to the sliders btw ... but meh, details)`
`16:19.01`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm thought dominos was acegui based config`
`16:21.54`	`Zyndrome`	`http://pici.se/pictures/oSEXpLXdY.jpg`
`16:21.55`	`Lyn_`	`Zyndrome, use the mousewheel?`
`16:22.11`	`Zyndrome`	`OH GOD WILL YOU LOOK AT THAT`
`16:22.26`	`Lyn_`	`Oo;`
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`16:24.35`	`Zyndrome`	`18:21.05 ( Lyn_ ) Zyndrome, use the mousewheel?`
`16:24.39`	`Zyndrome`	`my reaction : http://pici.se/pictures/oWTINMWfA.jpg`
`16:25.45`	`Ellipsis`	`your teeth may never be the same`
`16:26.42`	`Ellipsis`	`ok, who broke curse?`
`16:26.55`	`Chompers`	`i did.`
`16:26.57`	`Chompers`	`what of it?`
`16:27.08`	`Ellipsis`	`spanks Chompers 12 times`
`16:27.22`	`Chompers`	`if it were 13 times, i would have fixed it`
`16:27.29`	`Ellipsis`	`too bad`
`16:27.30`	`Chompers`	`fail Ellipsis, fail.`
`16:27.36`	`Ellipsis`	`guess I'll just have to do without for now :P`
`16:28.16`	`CIA-45`	`03archarodim * r79197 10Decursive/ (DCR_init.lua Dcr_Raid.lua):`
`16:28.16`	`CIA-45`	`Decursive:`
`16:28.16`	`CIA-45`	`- Added more useful data to the debug message introduced in previous revisions`
`16:28.23`	`Lyn_`	`Zyndrome, why? mousewheel works fine ... or do you dont have one? ^^`
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`16:35.40`	`TDW`	`Re-hello. I juste seen "CIA-45' write a changenote here. This is automatically do by the svn server or I have to do the same thing when I update my addon or another ?`
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`16:36.48`	`selckin`	`auto`
`16:37.02`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072608_093556.jpg`
`16:38.00`	`Aeyan`	`That is not a one handed sword =P`
`16:38.08`	`Aeyan`	`It's awesome, but not a one handed sword`
`16:38.19`	`Aeyan`	`and +agility?!`
`16:38.24`	`Lyn_`	`oh nice`
`16:38.42`	`selckin`	`poor arms`
`16:40.04`	`Antiarc`	`It's a 1h swords, yes :P`
`16:40.17`	`Ellipsis`	`go go realism`
`16:40.41`	`TDW`	`Ok, thanks selckin.`
`16:45.29`	`Hjalte`	`ckknight: It seems you've somehow made two note modules in the latest Cartographer 3 release. When I have the one in options turned on, I see the option to make a note twice when rightclicking on the map. In the options though, it tells me there are two waypoint modules however.`
`16:45.47`	`ckknight`	`remove your old Cartographer3 folder`
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`16:45.51`	`ckknight`	`and re-unzip`
`16:46.34`	`digmouse`	`is there a addon to expand paged loot window to 1 page?`
`16:46.52`	`Hjalte`	`ckknight: Ah, I see. I thought jWU always deleted my old folder on update.`
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`16:51.42`	`TDW`	`ckknight: Sorry to take a part of your time but, I would like to add a missing translation into BableTradskill-2.2 (frFR "Riding" = "Monte"). If I have understodd right your are a boss in this place. Can I correct the file or not ?`
`16:51.47`	`*** join/#wowace Iboong-Kenzo (n=user@77.87.207.194)`
`16:51.57`	`ckknight`	`sure`
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`16:52.34`	`TDW`	`And sorry for my english level, I understood right but I don't friend with speaking it.`
`16:52.41`	`TDW`	`Thank.`
`16:53.05`	`Oo`	`Poop`
`16:53.23`	`Ellipsis`	`o rly?`
`16:53.28`	`Oo`	`Yarly`
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`16:54.03`	`Oo`	`Im sad, No More WowAceUpdater =D`
`16:54.50`	`ckknight`	`Oo: such is life`
`16:56.07`	`Oo`	`It's understandable though, I Can imagine the cost of it`
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`16:56.27`	`cncfanatics`	`god damn`
`16:56.34`	VonhintenHOME`	`bandwidth is cheap`
`16:56.40`	`cncfanatics`	`why are there people that insist you need 1.6-1.7k healing to heal a god damn heroic instance ?`
`16:56.46`	`ckknight`	VonhintenHOME`: not that cheap
`16:56.50`	`Oo`	`But i'm curious, I Didn't quite understand the announcement, He is planning on using the Curse Client to update Ace's Addon or making a Curse-Like client?`
`16:57.10`	`profalbert`	`use a new curse client`
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`17:01.08`	`Pneumatus`	`cncfanatics: because 1.8k heal is easy to get :)`
`17:02.29`	`Zyndrome`	`18:36.12 ( +Antiarc ) http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072608_093556.jpg`
`17:02.30`	`profalbert`	`1,3-1,4k is more than enough for any heroic imho`
`17:02.40`	`Zyndrome`	`woah woah woah ....... I noticed the shadows`
`17:04.17`	`cncfanatics`	`Pneumatus: not when you dinged 70 less then a week ago`
`17:04.27`	`cncfanatics`	`how the fuck am I suposed to get 1.8k heal if I can't go heroics ?`
`17:04.28`	`Antiarc`	`Zyndrome: yeah :)`
`17:04.30`	`Ellipsis`	`then you shouldn't be doing heroics :P`
`17:04.38`	`Ellipsis`	`l2blues`
`17:04.39`	`cncfanatics`	`Ellipsis: what should I be doing then ?`
`17:04.43`	`Antiarc`	`Holy crap ;_;`
`17:04.44`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm full normal mode blue`
`17:04.52`	`Zyndrome`	`us graphics-whores cheer`
`17:04.53`	`Pneumatus`	`pvp gear :)`
`17:04.53`	`cncfanatics`	`with 5/6 kara epix`
`17:04.56`	`Ellipsis`	`then l2pugkara`
`17:05.03`	`cncfanatics`	`Ellipsis: those ask 2k healing on ur gear`
`17:05.07`	`cncfanatics`	`and most ask t5/t6 gear`
`17:05.08`	`Antiarc`	`So I get a quest to kill this person and take a device from them, to figure out how the blue dragons are redirecting magic in Northrend`
`17:05.10`	`Antiarc`	`And she drops a letter`
`17:05.13`	`Antiarc`	`Which starts a quest`
`17:05.14`	`Antiarc`	`http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=12067`
`17:05.17`	`Ellipsis`	`so find one that doesn't :P`
`17:05.17`	`Antiarc`	`I feel absolutely horrid.`
`17:05.30`	`cncfanatics`	`Pneumatus: druid pvp gear totaly utterly sucks for pve, no spirit on it whatsoever`
`17:05.35`	`Ellipsis`	`people are just too lazy to risk bad healers`
`17:05.35`	`Pneumatus`	`:<`
`17:05.42`	`CIA-45`	`03tdw * r79198 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: .Babble-Tradeskill-2.2: - Add frFR : "Riding" = "Monte"`
`17:06.00`	`Zyndrome`	`Antiarc , you bastard!`
`17:06.09`	`Antiarc`	`I feel so, so, so horrible.`
`17:06.13`	`cncfanatics`	`Ellipsis: it's a damn hell to gear up cuz of that :s`
`17:06.19`	`Ellipsis`	`wow Antiarc, way to screw up her plan`
`17:06.31`	`KriLL3`	`anyone knows of a site like CTProfiles but actually works?`
`17:06.36`	`Ellipsis`	`cncfanatics: dunno...crafted epics? :P`
`17:06.49`	`Ellipsis`	`I wore whitemend on my druid til I could get her better...`
`17:07.05`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm`
`17:07.07`	`cncfanatics`	`not a bad idea`
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`17:08.01`	`cncfanatics`	`no spirit on it :'(`
`17:08.10`	`cncfanatics`	`but some sockets, so not that bad`
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`17:08.14`	`qwesto`	`KriLL3, try chardev.org or warcrafter.net`
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`17:23.26`	`selckin`	`anyone know a good way to link shaman elementals with their owner from combatlog?`
`17:24.12`	`Dashkal`	`sync with the owner :( Elsia was dealing with that problem when 2.4 came out`
`17:24.29`	`selckin`	`can't sync :(`
`17:24.35`	`Ellipsis`	`then you can't do it`
`17:25.02`	`selckin`	`guestimation then :(`
`17:25.09`	VonhintenHOME`	`can't you determine when the totem is cast, and find the newest elemental's guid?`
`17:25.26`	`Dashkal`	`Is there anything to nameplate scraping to find it?`
`17:25.30`	`selckin`	`elementals don't show up untill they do combat`
`17:25.38`	`selckin`	`so if 4 shamans pot at the same time`
`17:26.20`	`selckin`	`maybe their guid's will be in the same sequential order as the totems are stomped`
`17:27.01`	`profalbert`	`you can tell by the flags if it's your own totem, but you can't tell which group-member it belongs`
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`17:39.02`	`Drundia`	`shouldn't there be unit creation combat log event?`
`17:39.11`	`Drundia`	`both for totem and elemental?`
`17:39.52`	`profalbert`	`there is for the totem`
`17:39.59`	`profalbert`	`SPELL_SUMMON`
`17:40.11`	`profalbert`	`note sure about the ele`
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`17:47.34`	`Xinhuan`	`puzzle fighter addon almost ready!`
`17:56.13`	Funkeh`	`Stanzilla, what font is that`
`17:57.38`	`fewyn`	`lol >_> I'm a feral tank but now my dps gear is better than my tank gear`
`17:58.39`	`Pneumatus`	`Grasp of the Lich King dissipates from Ismo.`
`17:58.39`	`Pneumatus`	`The Lich King's Wrath of the Lich King instantly kills Ismo.`
`17:58.49`	`Pneumatus`	`instantly kills :<`
`18:01.00`	`Ellipsis`	`you must have really pissed him off`
`18:01.15`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, apparently you're not supposed to attack him`
`18:01.16`	`Vulcanus`	`screenshot or it didn't happen`
`18:04.23`	`Industrial`	`Can i make a macro that judges and seals, but doesnt seal if I dont judge? eg out of range`
`18:05.24`	`Industrial`	`or cd`
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`18:11.41`	`CIA-45`	`03aznamir * r79199 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua:`
`18:11.41`	`CIA-45`	`PallyPower:`
`18:11.41`	`CIA-45`	`- added flood control against people spamming 'REQ' message trying to crash PallyPower users.`
`18:12.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf?`
`18:13.17`	`Ellipsis`	`....bwah?`
`18:13.56`	`Ackis`	`can you add comments to a toc file?`
`18:14.34`	`Shirik`	`#`
`18:14.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes, just use 1 #`
`18:14.42`	`ForeverYoung`	`Ackis, I have a question about your AckisRecipeList...`
`18:15.21`	`Ackis`	`thanks, and ForeverYoung go ahead`
`18:15.53`	`ForeverYoung`	`I get LUA error when I try to scan recipes as a tailor (I use ATSW due to Skillet dev hangup).`
`18:16.06`	`krka`	`ForeverYoung: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA`
`18:16.15`	`ForeverYoung`	`Lua, yes... sorry...`
`18:16.23`	`Ackis`	`I'll trest it out w/ atsw again today... tailoring you say?`
`18:16.27`	`Ackis`	`in live and not wrath?`
`18:16.27`	`ForeverYoung`	`Yes.`
`18:16.34`	`ForeverYoung`	`TBC.`
`18:17.10`	`ForeverYoung`	`I didn't test it as an engineer or blackamith, but other professions/sec.skills seem to work fine.`
`18:17.18`	`ForeverYoung`	`blacksmith*`
`18:17.28`	`Antiarc`	`So`
`18:17.29`	`Antiarc`	`Taking the gryphon from Dalaran to Dragonblight paths you through Storm Peaks`
`18:17.34`	`Antiarc`	`So you get No Man's Land and get ported back to Valiance Keep, in Howling Fjord`
`18:18.11`	`CIA-45`	`03ackis * r79200 10AckisRecipeList/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`18:18.11`	`CIA-45`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`18:18.11`	`CIA-45`	`- Added new fields/comments to ToC`
`18:18.11`	`CIA-45`	`- deDE update thanks to Winkiller`
`18:18.11`	`CIA-45`	`- updated typo in enUS and enGB(thanks to Winkiller)`
`18:18.12`	`ForeverYoung`	`Does anyone know whether there's still any work at Skillet addon?`
`18:18.47`	`ForeverYoung`	`It's stuck at 2.3.3, and when I use it at 2.4.3, it seems to be half-broken...`
`18:18.49`	`Ackis`	`ForeverYoung: lilsparky was doing work on it`
`18:19.11`	`ForeverYoung`	`Will it ever be updated?`
`18:19.28`	`ForeverYoung`	`ATSW doesn't have features that Skillet had...`
`18:19.45`	`Ackis`	`it seemed to be updated, might want to chekc forums on wowace`
`18:19.47`	`ForeverYoung`	`Like 'reverse-engineering' and 'hide trivial'.`
`18:22.25`	`Ackis`	`meh curse is down, anyone know where i can dl atsw?`
`18:22.57`	`ForeverYoung`	`I can send it.`
`18:28.09`	`Megalon`	`Ackis: http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=2092 ?`
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`18:35.30`	`harldephin`	`google translate is crap.`
`18:37.30`	`CIA-45`	`03clagio * r79201 10furyDPS/ (30 files in 3 dirs): furyDPS: test version`
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`18:38.31`	`Stanzilla`	Funkeh`: visitor2
`18:40.08`	`Ackis`	`damn atlas for adding a "query all items"`
`18:41.38`	`Ackis`	`s/atlas/altasloot/`
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`18:42.19`	`Parnic`	`is it possible to determine the current wow version through lua so that code can be submitted that works in wotlk and tbc?`
`18:43.01`	`Shirik`	`well, console has an option "ver"`
`18:43.05`	`Shirik`	`however it's not a CVar`
`18:43.06`	`CIA-45`	`03clagio * r79202 10furyDPS/prova.lua: furyDPS: test2`
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`18:43.53`	`Parnic`	`hmm`
`18:44.02`	`selckin`	`Parnic: saw some ppl talking about that and they tested if the achievement function existed for example, should be some example in svn somewhere`
`18:44.06`	`CIA-45`	`03clagio * r79203 10furyDPS/prova.lua: furyDPSfuryDPS: v0.5`
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`18:44.44`	`ccKep`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBuildInfo`
`18:45.01`	`Parnic`	`perfect, thanks cckep`
`18:45.54`	`ccKep`	`wotlk's tocversion is 30000`
`18:46.05`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79204 10Prat/: Starting from scratch`
`18:46.12`	`Parnic`	`it's 30100, actually. 3.0.1`
`18:46.20`	`ccKep`	`just looked at wowcompares.com`
`18:46.25`	`ccKep`	`blizzard tocs use 30000 ^.^`
`18:46.29`	`Parnic`	`hmm. heh, ok :)`
`18:46.38`	`ccKep`	`http://wowcompares.com/3018634`
`18:46.39`	`Parnic`	`in-game, GetBuildInfo returns 3.0.1 :)`
`18:46.42`	`Parnic`	`thanks for the help`
`18:46.46`	`Shirik`	`Parnic: That page is wrong, fyi`
`18:46.50`	`ccKep`	`yeah, thats the version`
`18:46.52`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79205 10CastYeller/ (10 files in 2 dirs):`
`18:46.52`	`CIA-45`	`CastYeller:`
`18:46.52`	`CIA-45`	`- changed the way announces and funny announces are declard,`
`18:46.52`	`CIA-45`	`- no uses spell and item ids instead of english spell names.`
`18:46.57`	`Parnic`	`Shirik: which page?`
`18:46.58`	`Shirik`	`tocversion is not a String`
`18:47.16`	`Parnic`	`ah. well, all i need is the ver string. i can branch on that`
`18:47.22`	`ccKep`	`select(4, GetBuildInfo()) should return 30000 for 3.0.1.8634`
`18:47.30`	`Shirik`	`eh, I'd be wary about that honestly`
`18:47.34`	`erikh`	`gah, can't wait until they release 3.0`
`18:47.36`	`Shirik`	`I'd use the TOC number`
`18:47.51`	`profalbert`	`GetBuildInfo() returns 3.0.1, 8534, Jul 15 2008, 30000 for me`
`18:47.56`	`Shirik`	`the version will be changing a lot`
`18:48.05`	`Shirik`	`well, it has the potential to change a lot`
`18:48.08`	`Parnic`	`cool, thanks.`
`18:48.16`	`ccKep`	`actually`
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`18:48.28`	`ccKep`	`it returns "3.0.1", "8534", "Jul 15 2008", 30000`
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`18:48.37`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert 07WotLK * r79206 10Parrot/Parrot.toc:`
`18:48.37`	`CIA-45`	`Parrot:`
`18:48.37`	`CIA-45`	`- bump .toc`
`18:48.46`	`Shirik`	`also please don't use select for something like that :P`
`18:48.47`	`profalbert`	`ya, to lazy to type the quotes ;)`
`18:48.47`	`ccKep`	`str, str, str, int`
`18:48.59`	`profalbert`	`Shirik: why not?`
`18:49.19`	`Shirik`	`select is extremely slow compared to actually taking out what you want`
`18:49.28`	`Shirik`	`select was designed for cases where you don't know what you're looking for exactly`
`18:49.34`	`Shirik`	`er, at compile-time`
`18:49.42`	`Shefki`	`Doesn't matter he only needs to do it once.`
`18:49.48`	`profalbert`	`so you mean, _, _, _, tocnumber = GetBuildInfo() is faster than`
`18:49.50`	`Shirik`	`doesn't change the fact that it's ugly code :P`
`18:49.54`	`profalbert`	`select(4,GetBuildInfo())`
`18:49.56`	`Shirik`	`profalbert, precisely`
`18:49.58`	`Shefki`	`local WoTLK = select(4,GetBuildInfo()) >= 30000`
`18:50.10`	`Shefki`	`Then when he needs to know if it's WoTLK he just does`
`18:50.13`	`Shefki`	`if WoTLK`
`18:50.19`	`Shirik`	`Shefki, that's even worse because it has to collapse the vararg :P`
`18:50.24`	`Shirik`	`er, the tuple`
`18:50.36`	`erikh`	`oh, select is like coalesce in sql?`
`18:50.38`	`Shefki`	`So what it runs once.`
`18:50.53`	`Shefki`	`If it was in a tight loop that ran constantly I'd care.`
`18:50.57`	`Shirik`	`You know, there's a lot of people who say that about things. I find it interesting, honestly`
`18:51.01`	`Shefki`	`But readability is worth it on something that runs once.`
`18:51.07`	`erikh`	`was thinking, "WTF does POSIX select() have to do anything in wow"`
`18:51.13`	`Shirik`	`If you know an inefficiency exists, why leave it in when it takes 2 seconds to change`
`18:51.21`	`sylvanaar`	`its it really Shirik? slow`
`18:51.22`	`Shirik`	`Even if it's miniscule`
`18:51.55`	`profalbert`	`I think I'll code some kind of benchmark`
`18:51.59`	`Shirik`	`Shefki: I would argue that "local _, _, _, ver = GetBuildInfo(); if ver >= 30000 then ....`
`18:52.04`	`Shirik`	`is a lot more readable`
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`18:52.25`	`sylvanaar`	`i think we should measure it, so we know how much the difference is`
`18:52.39`	`Shirik`	`I don't honestly care how much it is, it's still there :P`
`18:53.00`	`profalbert`	`I want to confirm for myself that it's there ;)`
`18:54.05`	`Shirik`	`lua> function foo() return 1,2,3,4,5; end t = os.clock(); for x = 1, 500000 do local n = select(5, foo()) end; return os.clock() - t;`
`18:54.05`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 0.34`
`18:54.10`	`Shirik`	`lua> function foo() return 1,2,3,4,5; end t = os.clock(); for x = 1, 500000 do local _, _, _, _, n = foo() end; return os.clock() - t;`
`18:54.10`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 0.21`
`18:54.22`	`profalbert`	`damn`
`18:54.33`	`Shirik`	`it should get even more pronounced for more complex cases, like:`
`18:54.36`	`sylvanaar`	`it looks super cheap, as in it takes the number and uses it to return a specific index on the stack`
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`18:54.54`	`Pneumatus`	`using select is always going to be more costly as its a function call`
`18:55.23`	`Shirik`	`It also doesn't only return one value, it returns as many as it needs to`
`18:55.28`	`Shirik`	`Which then has to be normalized`
`18:55.29`	`profalbert`	`but sometimes I need select to get temp-values`
`18:55.48`	`Shirik`	`the use for which select was intended is for either with '#' or where n is not known at compile-time`
`18:56.00`	`Shirik`	`such as using select in a loop`
`18:56.12`	`Shirik`	`to iterate over each value`
`18:56.30`	`sylvanaar`	`true`
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`18:56.39`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, select was never a way to just discard return variables, which is how its commonly used`
`18:56.42`	`Shefki`	`I generally use local _, _, foo = x(); But for a one time initialization I found a single line to find out if it's WOTLK cleaner.`
`18:56.46`	`Shirik`	`I won't deny that the penalty is tiny`
`18:57.03`	`Shirik`	`I just don't see the reason for using it in such a case, even if the penalty is tiny`
`18:57.44`	`Shirik`	`Instead of doing "2 + n" what if I did "0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 + n" (ignore the fact that Lua constant folds). Instead of asking "Why not?" I ask "why?`
`18:57.47`	`Shefki`	`Actually I started to write it as local _, _... in here a coule days ago and a bunch of people thought the select() version was cleaner.`
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`18:57.54`	`profalbert`	`hmm cat */.lua \| grep -c select returns 19`
`18:58.25`	`Shirik`	`The reason I don't advocate using select in such a case, Shefki, is because people get into thinking that that is what select does`
`18:58.29`	`Shirik`	`Take the following code:`
`18:58.38`	`Shirik`	`function foo() return 1,2,3; end; print(select(2, foo()))`
`18:58.45`	`Shirik`	`what does that output? You would be amazed at how many people say "2"`
`18:58.48`	`Shirik`	`and that's worng`
`18:58.50`	`Shirik`	`wrong*`
`18:58.53`	`profalbert`	`2,3`
`18:58.54`	`sylvanaar`	`its 2,3`
`18:59.30`	`Shefki`	`Incidentally the select(4,GetBuildInfo()) is used in PitBull. :)`
`18:59.42`	`sylvanaar`	`select just moves the stack pointer`
`18:59.51`	`profalbert`	`if select(2,UnitClass("player")) ~= "WARRIOR" then dostuff() end`
`19:00.54`	`Pneumatus`	`thats used a fair bit ^^`
`19:00.54`	`CIA-45`	`03ackis * r79207 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs):`
`19:00.54`	`CIA-45`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`19:00.54`	`CIA-45`	`- Removed some compatibility code from 2.4.2 in vendor file`
`19:00.54`	`CIA-45`	`- Added a WotLK check`
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`19:00.54`	`Pneumatus`	`one of the shaman totem addons uses that`
`19:00.54`	`ForeverYoung`	`People, is there any Regen and Mail Notify additions for FuBar?`
`19:00.54`	`profalbert`	`MailFu?`
`19:01.03`	`Shefki`	`MailFu but it sucks IMHO.`
`19:01.11`	`profalbert`	`don't use it either`
`19:01.11`	`kenlyric`	`what?`
`19:01.16`	`kenlyric`	`it's mailfu`
`19:01.30`	`kenlyric`	`it does precisely what it is designed to`
`19:01.31`	`ccKep`	`select(9, ...) just feels more comfortable in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED than local _,_,_,_,_,_,_,_, spellid = ... even if its slower (and combatevents happen alot, I know)`
`19:01.34`	`kenlyric`	`Fus you about mail`
`19:01.40`	`Shefki`	`kenlyric: It hasn't been rewritten to use the new mail notify system.`
`19:01.50`	`Shefki`	`So it doesn't know a lot of things it should.`
`19:01.57`	`kenlyric`	`there's a new mail notify system?`
`19:02.10`	`profalbert`	`kenlyric: it shows who the new mail is from`
`19:02.13`	`Shefki`	`Yup, even will tell you who recently sent you mail.`
`19:02.14`	`kenlyric`	`will it tell you what's in the mail if it came while you were offline?`
`19:02.26`	`Shefki`	`It'll tell you who sent it yes.`
`19:02.27`	`sylvanaar`	`as the number goes up, select does become more readable`
`19:02.33`	`kenlyric`	`I don't care who sent it`
`19:02.41`	`Shirik`	`on a side note`
`19:02.42`	`kenlyric`	`I want to know if it's got GOLDS in it`
`19:02.45`	`Shirik`	`I really wish Lua supported macros`
`19:03.08`	`Shirik`	`that way things like this could be resolved at compile-time and we wouldn't have this debate :)`
`19:03.39`	`Kuja^`	`Shefki: [2008/07/26 20:57:20-1292-x1]: TBag-20080527-r161-Shefki\TBnk.lua:419: attempt to index local 'itm' (a nil value) <string>:":OnEnter":1: in function <[string ":OnEnter"]:1> <- now, i don't know how i produced that error :P (yeah its an old version i know but i doubt that matters eh?)`
`19:03.45`	`profalbert`	`kenlyric: for that you'd have to open the mailbox`
`19:04.00`	`Shefki`	`Kuja^: Just swapped bags?`
`19:04.10`	`Kuja^`	`maybe the resorting did crap up wrt the enchanting bags but i have nfc`
`19:04.20`	`Kuja^`	`didn't swapped anything, just opened them`
`19:06.02`	`sylvanaar`	`Shirik you can use a code generator - thats about it`
`19:06.38`	`Shefki`	`Kuja^: Hmm hard to say but I know of one thing that can cause that.`
`19:07.13`	`Shefki`	`Kuja^: Ultimately I'm basically rewriting the addon becuase it's a complete mess.`
`19:07.55`	`Kuja^`	`heh`
`19:08.14`	`Shefki`	`But if you ever figure out steps to reproduce I'm interested.`
`19:08.21`	`sylvanaar`	`im thinking about doing something like that for my current project, either using VS2008 codegen or maybe codesmith`
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`19:10.09`	`erikh`	`cpp doesn't need C files to work :)`
`19:10.28`	`erikh`	`that said, you'd probably want to clean up the result afterwards`
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`19:11.47`	`many`	`hi`
`19:12.32`	`many`	`after installing actually only cartographer and some cartographer related addons, theres a little hemisphere above my charakter, i.e. a circle or ellipsis (depending on height-angle) and a N which tells where north is`
`19:12.43`	`many`	`anyone got a idea on how to turn that off?`
`19:14.14`	`Ackis`	`yay ARL kinda works on wrath roflz`
`19:14.45`	`Resa`	`kinda?`
`19:14.52`	`Ackis`	`it doesn't throw errors :P`
`19:15.01`	`Pneumatus`	`is your char called drycoder? :P`
`19:15.02`	`Resa`	`lol.. more than other addons I've tried. :)`
`19:15.04`	`CIA-45`	`03parnic * r79208 10IceHUD/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`19:15.04`	`CIA-45`	`IceHUD:`
`19:15.04`	`CIA-45`	`- added rune stuff for DK's in wotlk`
`19:15.04`	`CIA-45`	`- fixed args returned from UnitBuff in wotlk`
`19:15.04`	`CIA-45`	`- added default DK spell for gcd module`
`19:15.13`	`ForeverYoung`	`All I look for is additions for FuBar that show mails and regen rates... PM me anyone who knows something about it...`
`19:15.19`	`profalbert`	`Baggins works`
`19:15.23`	`Resa`	`RegenFu is nice..`
`19:15.34`	`ForeverYoung`	`ToC version?`
`19:15.35`	`profalbert`	`thank god, didn't find any quest-item w/o it`
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`19:16.25`	`profalbert`	`ForeverYoung: 20200`
`19:16.42`	`ForeverYoung`	`Does it work w/2.4.x?`
`19:16.52`	`profalbert`	`hey it's by sylvanaar`
`19:17.07`	`Resa`	`yeah`
`19:17.12`	`Resa`	`toc's 2.4`
`19:17.19`	`ForeverYoung`	`Any SVN for it?`
`19:17.24`	`profalbert`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/FuBar_RegenFu/FuBar_RegenFu.toc`
`19:17.30`	`profalbert`	`it says 20200 there`
`19:17.53`	`ForeverYoung`	`Okay, checkouted :)`
`19:18.02`	`sylvanaar`	`what`
`19:18.05`	`ForeverYoung`	`And mail notifiers?`
`19:18.28`	`ForeverYoung`	`I prefer updating through SVN. Less traffic burned. :)`
`19:18.39`	`sylvanaar`	`oh, if someone wants to take over regenfu...`
`19:19.17`	`Resa`	`Not gonna keep updating it?`
`19:19.43`	`CIA-45`	`03saroz * r79209 10sRaidFrames_QuickHealth/: sRaidFrames_QuickHealth: Initial folder`
`19:20.12`	`sylvanaar`	`well, alot has changed, and alot of that data is provided by the game client directly`
`19:20.29`	`Saroz`	`never done an SVN import before, wonder if this works`
`19:20.52`	`profalbert`	`saroz: you need to set the externals`
`19:21.03`	`profalbert`	`LibQuickHealth-1.0`
`19:21.06`	`Saroz`	`ye I know`
`19:21.09`	`profalbert`	`kk`
`19:21.37`	`ForeverYoung`	`So what way of addons updating is better? Should I rely on SVNs?`
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`19:22.08`	`profalbert`	`SVNs (trunk) usually contain the bleeding-edge-dev version`
`19:22.30`	`sylvanaar`	`ForeverYoung the jury is still out`
`19:23.08`	`profalbert`	`but the ace-updaters all update to svn-trunk-versions`
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`19:23.35`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79210 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua announces/druid.lua announces/hunter.lua):`
`19:23.35`	`CIA-45`	`CastYeller:`
`19:23.35`	`CIA-45`	`- updated druid announces to use spell ids,`
`19:23.35`	`CIA-45`	`- fixed a bug with spell having several ranks.`
`19:23.36`	`sylvanaar`	`that era is over though`
`19:23.42`	`profalbert`	`soon`
`19:23.45`	`profalbert`	`~soon`
`19:23.45`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, soon is well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon`
`19:23.55`	`Resa`	`lol`
`19:23.58`	`ForeverYoung`	`So what instructions have I follow to keep my addons updated?`
`19:24.19`	`profalbert`	`for now, you can use Jwowupdater`
`19:24.20`	`sylvanaar`	`at the moment - just keep doing what you are doing until you cant do it anymore`
`19:24.26`	`ForeverYoung`	`SVN?`
`19:24.27`	`profalbert`	`or that`
`19:24.43`	`profalbert`	`look at future plans @topic`
`19:25.39`	`sylvanaar`	`curse is writing a new updater from scratch - that usually takes 5x longer to do that you anticipate when you start`
`19:26.07`	`CIA-45`	`03saroz * r79211 10sRaidFrames_QuickHealth/ (. sRaidFrames_Quickhealth.lua sRaidFrames_Quickhealth.toc): sRaidFrames_QuickHealth: Initial file import`
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`19:28.48`	`ForeverYoung`	`I still don't get it... I know that some major WoW-addons-related sites are linked somehow, but what site does have most fresh data?`
`19:28.49`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79212 10Grid_QuickHealth/Grid_QuickHealth.toc:`
`19:28.49`	`CIA-45`	`Grid_QuickHealth:`
`19:28.49`	`CIA-45`	`- remove LibStub and CallbackHandler from X-Embeds and OptDeps`
`19:28.49`	`CIA-45`	`- add deDE-note`
`19:29.12`	`Shefki`	`ForeverYoung: The answer to that varies from addon to addon.`
`19:29.17`	`sylvanaar`	`right`
`19:29.27`	`Shefki`	`Different authors update to different sites in their own way.`
`19:29.35`	`sylvanaar`	`and how you define fresh`
`19:29.52`	`ForeverYoung`	`I usually track wowinterface.com...`
`19:29.53`	`profalbert`	`fresh as in latest alpha or, latest stable?`
`19:30.11`	`ForeverYoung`	`Well, I believe that latest stable would be better...`
`19:30.30`	`Shefki`	`ForeverYoung: Probably want to update off WoWInterface or Curse then.`
`19:30.40`	`ForeverYoung`	`Does Curse have an RSS?`
`19:31.21`	`sylvanaar`	`curseforge does, idk about curse`
`19:31.36`	`profalbert`	`current curse only has RSS for the comments`
`19:32.01`	`ForeverYoung`	`So... Can anyone ask lilsparky to restore "Hide Trivial" feature to his Skillet branch?`
`19:32.41`	`CIA-45`	`03ackis * r79213 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua:`
`19:32.41`	`CIA-45`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`19:32.41`	`CIA-45`	`- Added some WotLK compat, works kinda now (alchemy seems to work ok, enchanting fails) and recipe aquire info does not expand`
`19:34.17`	`sylvanaar`	`curseforge: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/copy-that/files.rss`
`19:34.28`	`sylvanaar`	`so it shows releases`
`19:34.40`	`ForeverYoung`	`That feature was essential for me yet in nogudnik's revs...`
`19:34.43`	`Resa`	`oooh.. Alch works.. Nice :)`
`19:34.58`	`ForeverYoung`	`And now lilsparky seems to remove that in his branch :(`
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`19:37.28`	`azraelo`	`Hello, I am interested in writing an addon (my first). How do I know which ace libraries would make my job easier?`
`19:38.59`	`\|Pixel\|`	`depends on what your addon would do, I'd say`
`19:41.34`	`ForeverYoung`	`Please, can anyone notify Lilsparky about lost Skillet feature?..`
`19:44.58`	`Stanzilla`	`ForeverYoung: pm him on the forums or post in his thread`
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`19:47.40`	`ForeverYoung`	`Then I should wait for my account activation mail to arrive >.<`
`19:48.23`	`ForeverYoung`	`Does he visit this channel at all?`
`19:54.10`	`ccKep`	`shrugs.`
`19:54.47`	`Kuja^`	`~seen Lilsparky`
`19:54.53`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'lilsparky', Kuja^`
`19:55.02`	`ForeverYoung`	`...and?`
`19:55.10`	`Kuja^`	`guess not then :)`
`19:55.55`	`ForeverYoung`	`So...?`
`19:57.07`	`Resa`	`so he either doesn't log on before committing, or he uses another name?`
`19:58.41`	`ForeverYoung`	`Please, ask him to return "Hide Uncraftable/Trivial" checkboxes onto main window frame... :(`
`20:01.27`	`CIA-45`	`03starinnia * r79214 10Prescription/ (Prescription.lua license.txt):`
`20:01.27`	`CIA-45`	`Prescription:`
`20:01.27`	`CIA-45`	`-Fix weapon buff checking, raid messages are properly displayed now`
`20:01.28`	`CIA-45`	`-Fix other reporting logic for flasks/elixirs`
`20:01.28`	`CIA-45`	`-Fix suppression of outgoing RX whispers`
`20:01.28`	`CIA-45`	`-and some cleanups`
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`20:20.31`	`CIA-45`	`03starinnia * r79215 10Prescription/Prescription.lua: Prescription: last fix for reporting logic`
`20:22.24`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`20:22.29`	Funkeh`	`our server is restarting`
`20:22.36`	Funkeh`	`I go last person to tlak wins life in trade`
`20:22.44`	Funkeh`	`you dont want ot see ichat at the last minute`
`20:22.56`	Funkeh`	`10 lines /second`
`20:23.15`	Funkeh`	`winner was "PENIS"`
`20:23.26`	`profalbert`	`lol`
`20:25.27`	`Zynderps`	`always related`
`20:30.50`	`Zhinjio`	`G'morning.`
`20:31.13`	`Zhinjio`	`Ackis: ping`
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`20:36.48`	`Thrae`	`http://www.wegame.com/watch/World_of_Workcraft/ <-- must see.`
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`20:40.58`	`cncfanatics`	`Saroz: ping`
`20:41.06`	`Saroz`	`sup`
`20:41.23`	`Thrae`	`Antiarc: Notice Omen's mention in Penny Arcade?`
`20:41.33`	`Antiarc`	`yes :P`
`20:41.34`	`cncfanatics`	`could you link me to the quickhealth sraidframes plugin ?`
`20:41.39`	`cncfanatics`	`so I can add it to that forum thread`
`20:41.43`	`Saroz`	`http://files.wowace.com/sRaidFrames_QuickHealth/sRaidFrames_QuickHealth.zip not packaged yet`
`20:42.57`	`cncfanatics`	`glad to see my code is so easely portable :D`
`20:43.00`	`cncfanatics`	`2 lines changed heh`
`20:43.01`	`CIA-45`	`03starinnia * r79216 10Prescription/Prescription.lua: Prescription: revert last change`
`20:43.11`	`Saroz`	`could make it more pretty using AceEvent, but cba`
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`20:45.46`	`CIA-45`	`picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * rb40af53 10/ picoGuild.lua : Use token class name instead of engrish one`
`20:47.58`	`fewyn`	`useful note: don carlos despawns after beginning the keep part of ohb`
`20:50.03`	`Xuerian`	`cncfanatics: That forum thread?`
`20:51.11`	`CIA-45`	`teknicolor: 03Tekkub 07master * r15f9147 10/ teknicolor.lua : Use token class name from guild instead of engrish one`
`20:54.05`	`cncfanatics`	`Xuerian: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14411`
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`21:03.43`	`cncfanatics`	ag`_: ping
`21:04.43`	`fewyn`	`~lart Vulcanus`
`21:04.43`	`purl`	`dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Vulcanus`
`21:05.17`	ag`_	`cncfanatics: hi`
`21:05.32`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79217 10Prat/ (38 files in 9 dirs):`
`21:05.32`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`21:05.32`	`CIA-45`	`Just the folder and file layout design. The concept will be all files are`
`21:05.32`	`CIA-45`	`kept in these folders, and separate pullout folders e.g. Prat_Foo will`
`21:05.32`	`CIA-45`	`reference these files instead of actually containing them.`
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`21:06.33`	`cncfanatics`	ag`_: you're andreasg on forums right ?
`21:06.55`	ag`_	`yeah`
`21:07.29`	`cncfanatics`	`about your question`
`21:07.35`	`cncfanatics`	`I think I totaly misunderstood you the first time`
`21:07.43`	`cncfanatics`	`yes, they can be unregistered with UnregisterCallback :p`
`21:08.28`	ag`_	`yeah but the event thingy is still registered isn't it?`
`21:10.47`	`cncfanatics`	`the event still triggers yea`
`21:10.55`	`cncfanatics`	`but thats about all it'll do`
`21:12.06`	ag`_	`can a lib know if anything is registered for its callback?`
`21:12.34`	`cncfanatics`	`not with libcallback no`
`21:12.43`	`cncfanatics`	`s/libcallback/callbackhandler-1.0/`
`21:12.51`	`cncfanatics`	`afaik at least`
`21:13.49`	ag`_	`I like the code of the lib`
`21:14.12`	ag`_	`but I am considering if it would make more sense to include the code inside my healthbar module, with an option to turn on/off fast health updating`
`21:14.21`	`Stanzilla`	ag`_: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.new#new
`21:14.41`	`cncfanatics`	`sound anoying for managing updates of the lib`
`21:15.11`	`Xuerian`	`Kind of retarded having a callback handler lib with no notification of registered callbacks`
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`21:18.49`	`cncfanatics`	`oh wait`
`21:18.51`	`cncfanatics`	`it does have some`
`21:19.07`	`cncfanatics`	`OnUsed`
`21:19.20`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm wondering if its worth it to make the lib disable itself if no callbacks are registered`
`21:22.48`	`Xuerian`	`Would make sense`
`21:24.01`	ag`_	`that is what I want :D`
`21:25.20`	`Stanzilla`	ag`_: F5 ^^
`21:25.46`	`cncfanatics`	ag`_: I'm in hero bota atm
`21:25.50`	`cncfanatics`	`when I'm out of it I'l lwork on it`
`21:25.53`	`cncfanatics`	`shouldn't be too much work`
`21:26.02`	ag`_	`great stuff`
`21:28.36`	`cncfanatics`	`just started though`
`21:28.42`	`cncfanatics`	`so might take a while before I'm out of this heroic /D`
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`21:29.00`	`Bufe`	`Oy..evening`
`21:29.08`	`Bufe`	`anyone here know stuff about Bartender4?`
`21:29.12`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone interested in working on a recursive string search algorithm? heres an outline of how it'd work http://lua.pastey.net/92517`
`21:29.39`	`Xuerian`	`Recursive string search?`
`21:29.53`	`Xuerian`	`Simulated multi-dimensional array/hash list?`
`21:30.05`	`Bufe`	`lol`
`21:30.11`	`Bufe`	`greek to me`
`21:30.13`	`Bufe`	`xD`
`21:30.27`	`Xuerian`	`What stuff, Bufe?`
`21:30.37`	`sylvanaar`	`it lets you remove matches then rejoin the string while remembering where you removed the match`
`21:31.01`	`Bufe`	`Well...Cycircle no longer works with Bart4...read Bart4 should have its own version to do the same..but cant figure out how`
`21:31.19`	`Zhinjio`	`I use ButtonFacade now instead.`
`21:31.22`	`Xuerian`	`get ButtonFacade`
`21:31.26`	`Bufe`	`any good?`
`21:31.29`	`Zhinjio`	`yup`
`21:31.37`	`Bufe`	`and works with v4?`
`21:31.43`	`Daemona`	`charon ping`
`21:32.09`	`Bufe`	`Anyone here working on a Fubar-plugin for Bartender4....:P`
`21:32.30`	`Daemona`	`why would you need that?`
`21:32.41`	`Bufe`	`because WINDOWS are cumbersome`
`21:32.45`	`Bufe`	`gief menus`
`21:32.49`	`Bufe`	`much faster and easier`
`21:33.11`	`Bufe`	`bartender3 with fubar was a breeze to setup`
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`21:35.01`	`Bufe`	`maybe not the right place to ask, but I used to have an old version of GRID that had a TEXTURE feature...letting you select some basic textures for it...its no longer in the newest version....I miss it. Anyone know if there is some way of enabling it again?`
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`21:39.25`	`reqol`	`UnitDebuff() works with mouseover, right?`
`21:39.30`	`nuoHep`	`btw, cncfanatics, your upgrade path is kinda wrong. you dont reuse your evenFrame but create a new local one. so if you have n different versions installed you have n eventFrames processing stuff`
`21:40.53`	`cncfanatics`	`nuoHep: ur right`
`21:44.55`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79218 10CastYeller/announces/ (druid.lua mage.lua paladin.lua priest.lua rogue.lua):`
`21:44.55`	`CIA-45`	`CastYeller:`
`21:44.55`	`CIA-45`	`- mage, paladin, priest and rogue are now declared using spell ids,`
`21:44.55`	`CIA-45`	`- fixed druid funny announces.`
`21:47.59`	`qwesto`	`Bufe, I can still set the texture of the health bars in Grid-r76927, not sure if that's what you're after`
`21:48.56`	`qwesto`	`the option is under Grid > Frame > Advanced > Frame Texture`
`21:50.03`	`charon`	`Daemona: pong`
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`21:50.21`	`Daemona`	`you need to fix pullout bars`
`21:50.22`	`Daemona`	`;)`
`21:50.35`	`Daemona`	`when omen is locked, you cant rightclock for pullout bars ^^`
`21:52.00`	`charon`	`i didn't really know what the saner behaviour was... the way it is right now, you also cannot move or remove pullouts while omen is locked, so creating them would be wrong as well`
`21:52.17`	`Daemona`	`the point is`
`21:52.26`	`Daemona`	`how do you define a pullout bar if the tank is not in the list`
`21:52.28`	`Daemona`	`;)`
`21:52.43`	`Daemona`	`i defintly dont like having an unlocked window around while in combat`
`21:52.55`	`charon`	`maybe an auto-lock while in combat feature would work?`
`21:53.17`	`Daemona`	`what would that solve`
`21:53.31`	`Daemona`	`you have to be in combat to rightclick the bar of the tank you want to watch`
`21:53.35`	`Daemona`	`;)`
`21:53.39`	`charon`	`good point`
`21:54.11`	`charon`	`one of the problems is that i have never used per-tank pullouts... i only wanted to make the AoE thingy work according to my needs, so someone else like you has to tell me how you expect it to behave`
`21:54.19`	`reqol`	`UNIT_AURA doesn't work for mouseover, does it?`
`21:54.42`	`ckknight`	`http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/LadyRedCrest/not_a_motorcycle.jpg`
`21:55.18`	`Daemona`	`charon, you know gurtogg bloodboil?`
`21:55.30`	`charon`	`Daemona: think it would be a good idea to make a pullout menu that lets you set/change its reference unit?`
`21:55.32`	`charon`	`yeah`
`21:55.44`	`Daemona`	`perfect example for 2 pullouts`
`21:55.58`	`Daemona`	`all you need to know as dps in the fight is, be below the 2(3) tanks`
`21:56.17`	`Daemona`	`thats what i as a rogue use pulloutbars for`
`21:56.36`	`Daemona`	`or the, damn i dont care where i am on the list, i only care i am below`
`21:57.15`	`charon`	`i never dps on bloodboil and as a tank i want to know the exact % to make sure a knockback will give aggro to another tank`
`21:57.16`	`Daemona`	`additionally it would be great to see a numeric difference on the pullout bar, because10% bonus aggro can be 10 aggro or 10.000 ;)`
`21:57.17`	`charon`	`but i see where you're coming from`
`21:58.03`	`charon`	`hmm`
`21:58.19`	`Daemona`	`i guess the easiest thing to circumvent the locked omen issue would be`
`21:58.27`	`charon`	`lets brainstorm a bit, though i can't guarantee that i'll do anything let alone before omen3`
`21:58.37`	`Daemona`	`to add a button that adds/removes the current target from the list of pulloutbar`
`21:59.02`	`Daemona`	`or if the target is unfriendly, targetstarget`
`21:59.09`	`charon`	`that could work`
`21:59.21`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79219 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua announces/hunter.lua announces/mage.lua):`
`21:59.21`	`CIA-45`	`CastYeller:`
`21:59.21`	`CIA-45`	`- typo,`
`21:59.21`	`CIA-45`	`- removed an useless message.`
`21:59.38`	`charon`	`x`
`21:59.41`	`charon`	`oops`
`21:59.57`	`charon`	`erm, i just think in the end it would be a lot of setup effort, no?`
`22:00.12`	`charon`	`wouldn't it be better if you could just have pullouts for all oRA MTs automagically`
`22:00.31`	`charon`	`then again that would break down terribly with my guild on ROS where we fix the P1 rotation via MTs`
`22:00.44`	`Daemona`	`not everyone uses ora2, not even talking about setting MT targets`
`22:01.01`	`charon`	`make that generic MT targets`
`22:01.10`	`Daemona`	`we dont even use that ;)`
`22:01.30`	`Daemona`	`generall approach of software design, make it stupid easy to use`
`22:01.31`	`Daemona`	`:X`
`22:01.51`	`charon`	`well general approach of open source software: scratch your own itch`
`22:02.02`	`charon`	`(which i did)`
`22:02.34`	`charon`	`IOW, convince me that i'm going to use this myself, or chances that i'll do it aren't very good`
`22:03.45`	`Diao`	`cncfanatics: request for xperl module from a lot of guildies :P`
`22:03.59`	`charon`	`Daemona: you'd like to have something like the oRA MT setup menu if i get this right?`
`22:04.36`	`charon`	`should that still be "random", or more like a grouped series of pullouts hooked to a common anchor?`
`22:04.47`	`Daemona`	`naah far easier approach, add a button to the omen bar that allows to ad the guid of a player to be added to an array that holds the ids for the targets to generate pulloutbars for`
`22:05.26`	`Daemona`	`and probably show an anchor you can move yeah.`
`22:05.45`	`cncfanatics`	`Diao: who's its author ?`
`22:05.47`	`Daemona`	`or shift-click for moving, would be totally sufficient`
`22:06.22`	`charon`	`point is, we want it to work out of combat, i.e. not dependent on any threat display`
`22:07.05`	`Diao`	`umm`
`22:07.06`	`Diao`	`i'll check`
`22:07.12`	`Daemona`	`sure, but dont you default show the omen window when grouped/in a raid?`
`22:07.26`	`charon`	`the window, but you can't rely on the threat display`
`22:07.40`	`Diao`	`zek`
`22:07.56`	`Daemona`	`are you refering to the data on the pullout bars while ooc?`
`22:07.59`	`Daemona`	`confused`
`22:08.13`	`charon`	`i actually like the oRA/whatever MT idea, if there was a menu to set "threat targets" like the oRA MT menu with an additional toggle to fetch them directly from the MTs, that would be very useful`
`22:08.27`	`charon`	`unfortunately i have no clue whatsoever how hard that would be to implement`
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`22:09.09`	`Daemona`	`hehe i have less idea then you, i am only the guy coming here to shout at Antiarc or spam the channel with "wouldnt it be great to have..." ;)`
`22:09.49`	`Diao`	`cncfanatics in case you didn't see it, zek is xperl author according to the toc on wowace`
`22:10.47`	`charon`	`still, i think that gives me a good idea how to "intuitively" implement pullouts, and it might also solve the save/restore problem along the way`
`22:10.50`	`charon`	`so moving on`
`22:11.18`	`cncfanatics`	`Diao: could you possible contact him and try to get himto write a module ?`
`22:11.21`	`cncfanatics`	`I don't know him -.-`
`22:11.24`	`charon`	`what sort of labels would be useful? should we do a DWIM thingy that gives you %, but switches to difference in threat values if you come dangerously close?`
`22:11.27`	`Diao`	`i'll try`
`22:11.33`	`charon`	`(like say 20k)`
`22:12.12`	`Daemona`	`i doubt you need % at all, a general numeric diff would be sufficient`
`22:12.16`	`Daemona`	`at least from my pov`
`22:12.34`	`Daemona`	`i dont care at all about my threat % as long i am ~5k below the tank ;)`
`22:12.46`	`Daemona`	`which equals about 2 styles + swordspec + windfury ;)`
`22:12.59`	`Daemona`	`aka, enough to vanish`
`22:13.17`	`charon`	`shrugs`
`22:13.26`	`charon`	`i care greatly about relative AoE threat, but then i'm a furry tank`
`22:13.44`	`charon`	`it lets me pick those targets where i'm going dangerously low compared to the squishies`
`22:14.12`	`Daemona`	`totally offtopic, if you need to tank aoe, get a prot pala ;)`
`22:14.14`	`charon`	`relative TPS might be useful if it weren't such a volatile display`
`22:14.40`	`charon`	`i know, but i don't make our prot pala's schedules`
`22:14.46`	`Daemona`	`;)`
`22:15.30`	`Daemona`	`well i guess, the best then would be to have a +- % and have it switch to threat if diff is <10k (or some value you can set)`
`22:17.25`	`charon`	`you realise that i despise configs?`
`22:17.25`	`charon`	`and UIs`
`22:17.38`	`charon`	`they're such a nightmarish amount of trivial code`
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`22:18.27`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`22:18.37`	`Diao`	`how come the sraidframes quickhealth still hasn't been packaged o_O`
`22:18.40`	`charon`	`i think i'll put relative TPS back into the labels, it gave a nice idea`
`22:19.14`	`CIA-45`	`03jncl * r79220 10nerFrames/: Create Directory`
`22:20.49`	`cncfanatics`	`Diao: the packager is SLOW`
`22:20.57`	`Diao`	`no kidding`
`22:21.05`	`Diao`	`it's been over 2 hours`
`22:21.29`	`Diao`	`almost 3 even`
`22:21.36`	`Daemona`	`someone look under the hood and check cpu load? ^^`
`22:21.53`	`Daemona`	`charon well cant argue with you, i only give input ;)`
`22:22.28`	`charon`	`sure, i appreciate it even if it doesn't sound like that ;)`
`22:23.19`	`Daemona`	`if you'd work in a team and i was the team manager, you would hate me :X`
`22:23.36`	`Daemona`	`i know, cause noone wanted to do group coding with me at school ^^`
`22:23.59`	`Daemona`	`cause i always was going "why dont you do it that way" "wouldnt it be better to do it like this"`
`22:24.38`	`Daemona`	`a pity there is no job description for critizing work of others, i'd be good :D`
`22:25.03`	`Pneumatus`	`isnt it called software appraisal or something :)`
`22:25.12`	`Diao`	`QC`
`22:25.13`	`Diao`	`:P`
`22:25.14`	`charon`	`you could become a GUI expert ;)`
`22:26.28`	`Daemona`	`oh oh`
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`22:26.32`	`Daemona`	`i know what its called`
`22:26.38`	`Daemona`	`QUality Assurance`
`22:26.39`	`Daemona`	`;)`
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`22:27.26`	`Daemona`	`Doesnt Blizzard run a Quality Assurance Raid team? dream job :X`
`22:27.37`	`charon`	`do you have an idea for a better name than "pullout"?`
`22:28.13`	`charon`	`they haven't been pullouts since omen2, and they'll also lose any link to the other threat bars in my current idea`
`22:28.44`	`Daemona`	`but they are exactly that, pulled out bars from omen`
`22:29.00`	`Daemona`	`(unless you make it standalone and reading threat-lib directly)`
`22:30.19`	`charon`	`which might not be that bad an idea after all, since it would have far less overhead than omen (no sorting involved) and many people might not need the full omen anyway`
`22:30.32`	`charon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:33.29`	`Daemona`	`the problem is`
`22:33.37`	`Daemona`	`you would process all threatlib data twice ,)`
`22:33.45`	`Daemona`	`even with the rather good implementation`
`22:34.00`	`Daemona`	`it would really increase load`
`22:34.04`	`charon`	`oh it _does_ process threatlib data twice already`
`22:34.51`	`Daemona`	`why? confused cant you simply access the threat tables omen creates and do the diffs?`
`22:34.56`	`Daemona`	`(thats how i would do it)`
`22:35.55`	`Daemona`	`guess i really need to start learning lua... but back than i only learned pascal/delphi and some c/++`
`22:36.23`	`charon`	`threat-2.0 fires a ThreatUpdated event with the new threat info... it could be optimized to read all data just from the updates without going back to the threat API for max/2nd threat etc, but it needs to fire an updater anyway`
`22:37.26`	`Daemona`	`as i said, i have no clue about lua ;)`
`22:38.28`	`Daemona`	`but as you said, should be easier to listen to the event being fired instead of reading tables and see if the data updated...`
`22:38.43`	`charon`	`oh well for that last point there's an easy rule IMO`
`22:38.50`	`charon`	`thou shalt not spinlock... unless you're the kernel`
`22:38.54`	`charon`	`same goes for polling in most cases`
`22:40.04`	`charon`	`doesn't really have anything to do with lua however, it's just general event-driven design`
`22:40.13`	`charon`	`not that i know much about software design, mind you`
`22:40.22`	`charon`	`(i design by inspiration)`
`22:40.36`	`CIA-45`	`03ackis * r79221 10TIRaid/TIRaid.lua:`
`22:40.36`	`CIA-45`	`TIRaid:`
`22:40.36`	`CIA-45`	`- Commented out a bunch of stuff not implemented`
`22:40.36`	`CIA-45`	`- Development has stopped on this for Team Ice`
`22:47.23`	`TNSe`	`I much prefer event driven`
`22:47.43`	`TNSe`	`with poll based programming you often do a lot of assumptions`
`22:47.48`	`Saroz`	`cncfanatics, how do you spell Dependencies`
`22:47.49`	`Saroz`	`cncfanatics, how do you spell Dependencies`
`22:47.52`	`Saroz`	`ups`
`22:47.58`	`Saroz`	`## Depencies: PitBull`
`22:48.07`	`Saroz`	`## Depencies: Grid`
`22:48.39`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:51.23`	`Zhinjio`	`Ackis just did a commit?`
`22:51.26`	`Zhinjio`	`fiend, he won't answer me.`
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`22:57.06`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79222 10Prat/ (addon/addon.lua services/links.lua services/patterns.lua):`
`22:57.06`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`22:57.06`	`CIA-45`	`Moved in the pattern and link services code`
`22:58.48`	`Primer`	`Are there major differences in the addon code between live and beta?`
`22:59.13`	`Primer`	`I'm pondering installing some addons...as I'm finding it increasingly difficult to play without them`
`22:59.34`	`Pneumatus`	`not massively`
`22:59.41`	`Pneumatus`	`quite a few addons work fine`
`22:59.45`	`Primer`	`so most addons should work, ok`
`22:59.47`	`Primer`	`awesome`
`23:00.02`	`Pneumatus`	`ive been running wotlk with a limited number of addons without any issue`
`23:00.13`	`Primer`	`The one I really need is Bongos`
`23:00.25`	`CIA-45`	`03jncl * r79223 10nerFrames/ (11 files in 2 dirs): nerFrames: Initial Commit of files`
`23:00.41`	`Primer`	`perhaps I should try his new Bongos replacement`
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`23:02.03`	`Pneumatus`	`i've not tried any barmods tho`
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`23:02.11`	`Pneumatus`	`only quasi-barmod ive got is omnicc`
`23:03.30`	`Pneumatus`	`there are several UI threads on the EU and US beta forums though listing a lot of addons that do work`
`23:03.41`	`Primer`	`I'll check them out, thanks`
`23:05.36`	`CIA-45`	`03bam * r79224 10ItemPrice-1.1/ItemPrice-1.1.lua:`
`23:05.36`	`CIA-45`	`ItemPrice-1.1:`
`23:05.36`	`CIA-45`	`- Price updates.`
`23:08.31`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79225 10LibQuickHealth-1.0/LibQuickHealth-1.0.lua: LibQuickHealth-1.0: Reuse the old eventFrame if there is one and only register our events and actualy do something when an addon starts listening to our callbacks.`
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`23:18.14`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79226 10Grid_QuickHealth/Grid_QuickHealth.toc: Grid_QuickHealth: Fix typo in deDE note, fix typo in spelling of Dependencies (SIGH)`
`23:19.19`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79227 10PitBull_QuickHealth/PitBull_QuickHealth.toc: PitBull_QuickHealth: remove LibStub & CallbackHandler from X-Embeds, add deDE note, fix typo in spelling of dependencies`
`23:20.31`	`Saroz`	`:p`
`23:20.46`	`cncfanatics`	`Saroz: ;'(`
`23:20.53`	`cncfanatics`	`me fails at spelling`
`23:21.19`	`Saroz`	`aww`
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`23:21.32`	`Aiiane`	`patpats cncfanatics`
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`23:21.55`	`cncfanatics`	`Saroz: btw, I added some tasty stuff to libQuickHealth in case you want to know :p`
`23:22.07`	`Saroz`	`whats that`
`23:22.20`	`cncfanatics`	`fix some lib upgrading issues doubleregistering events and made it so that it only starts doing something when an addon listens to its callbacks`
`23:22.28`	`cncfanatics`	`if no addon listens to it, it sits there being idle`
`23:22.42`	`Saroz`	`was a requirement :p`
`23:23.04`	`cncfanatics`	`first time I write a lib :p`
`23:23.08`	`cncfanatics`	`need some learning :)`
`23:23.11`	`Saroz`	`:p`
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`23:24.45`	`Osstia\|mac`	`I have a quick question, I am using SetItemButtonCount() to put a number on a button used to show how many of a specific item i have. I do a GetItemCount(itemLink) to see how many i have. The behavior I am seeing is that I get no value on the button if I have 0 or 1 of the item, but then pretty numbers for anything over 1.`
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`23:26.20`	`Nargiddley`	`Thats part of the function`
`23:26.29`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway, I need sleep now`
`23:26.31`	`cncfanatics`	`g'night everyone`
`23:26.41`	`Osstia\|mac`	`gnight cnc`
`23:27.01`	`Osstia\|mac`	`Nargiddley: you mean thats part of what SetItemButtonCount is doing?`
`23:27.13`	`Nargiddley`	`yes`
`23:27.14`	`Nargiddley`	`http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/ItemButtonTemplate.lua`
`23:27.24`	`Osstia\|mac`	`damn. I was afraid of that`
`23:27.50`	`[Liq]`	`Btw in case you didn't know already, there's a live stream of a guy playing DK: http://live.mammae.eu/`
`23:30.03`	`Osstia\|mac`	`thanks Nargiddley thats exactly why. grrrr.`
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`23:33.00`	`Osstia\|mac`	`I am just learning, so I know my terminology is going to be off. Is there a way I can create another function that I could use instead of SetItemButtonCount that I could modify to say > 0 rather than > 1. Since I am getting that function from the ItemButtonTemplate I am a little fuzzy on how I could do that`
`23:33.51`	`Nargiddley`	`you can take a copy, call it something else and use that`
`23:35.16`	`Xuerian`	`Osstia\|mac: Look at the ItemButton code`
`23:35.25`	`Xuerian`	`It's i n framexml`
`23:35.33`	`Nargiddley`	`I linked it already`
`23:35.38`	`Osstia\|mac`	`Yep`
`23:35.42`	`Xuerian`	`Ah, missed it`
`23:35.43`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`23:35.50`	`Osstia\|mac`	`He linked it, and I can see in the function where its being handled`
`23:36.12`	`Osstia\|mac`	`I am just green enough that I am not sure how to fix it. But thats what google is for`
`23:36.20`	`Osstia\|mac`	`I appreciate the nudge in the right direction`
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`23:43.11`	`Osstia\|mac`	`ok, i made that a lot harder than it needed to be`
`23:43.20`	`Osstia\|mac`	`Thanks for the help folks`
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`23:44.36`	`Poul\|PT`	`hey, is it posible to make a script that detects which parts of the world you havent discovered?`
`23:46.26`	`Vulcanus`	`I would suggest you look at the "FogClear" code in the mod Mapster`
`23:47.06`	`Vulcanus`	`I think the best thing you can do is visual cues, literal detection of zones that have no fog overlay is not possible I think`
`23:50.40`	`vithos`	`Poul\|PT: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9079-cargExplorer.html`
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`23:54.54`	`Poul\|PT`	`Vulcanus, found out the beta client list the zones`
`23:54.56`	`Poul\|PT`	`you are missing`
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`23:59.41`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072608_165833.jpg`

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