| 00:00.08 | Gnarfoz | roll frames aren't in yet, either (that's one of the modules, right ^^) |
| 00:00.21 | Arrowmaster | raegx: its not really easy to do since theres no way to get server time down to the second |
| 00:00.22 | Xuerian | Use TeksLoot for roll frames, I'm discontinuing group |
| 00:00.52 | Gnarfoz | :< but your's was even prettier! :) |
| 00:00.54 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.57 | Arrowmaster | raegx: unless they changed it in 2.4.3 |
| 00:01.01 | Aiiane | I liked XLoot group :X |
| 00:01.02 | Gnarfoz | but I'll try them ;) (I've seen it before) |
| 00:01.10 | Xuerian | I'm pretty sure TeksLoot looks exactly the same |
| 00:01.13 | Gnarfoz | Aiiane: teksloot is really basically the same, just more sane. |
| 00:01.17 | Aiiane | mm |
| 00:01.19 | Gnarfoz | Xuerian: almost, but not entirely ^^ |
| 00:01.23 | Aiiane | nice to have it all grouped up tho :P |
| 00:01.30 | Xuerian | Aiiane: I'm breaking them apart though |
| 00:01.39 | Xuerian | TeksLoot is better coded, really |
| 00:02.00 | Xuerian | Also, it uses my (oSkin's original) skinning routines, so not sure what he changed in his appearance |
| 00:02.28 | raegx | @arrowmaster ty and I guess I'll just do the math = D |
| 00:02.41 | Aiiane | boo... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8198-teksLoot.html has no screenshots :| |
| 00:02.51 | Aiiane | prods Tekkub >:| |
| 00:02.57 | Arrowmaster | raegx: do you need it to be as accurate as possible? |
| 00:02.57 | Tekkub | wut |
| 00:03.04 | Xuerian | Aiiane: It looks more or less the same as Group, without all the funky options regarding row display |
| 00:03.13 | Funkeh` | say what |
| 00:03.19 | Aiiane | lolz |
| 00:03.20 | Xuerian | not you. |
| 00:03.23 | Aiiane | highlight city |
| 00:03.40 | Funkeh` | damnit Aiiane |
| 00:04.30 | Aiiane | wasnt me! |
| 00:04.31 | raegx | @arrow negative. just a relative proximity. I don't need ms |
| 00:04.47 | Arrowmaster | raegx: yeah but do you need seconds |
| 00:04.54 | raegx | @arrow not really |
| 00:05.04 | Funkeh` | Aiiane, gonna blame ya anyway |
| 00:05.10 | raegx | @arrow 1 minutes window is fine |
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| 00:07.49 | CIA-45 | 03morgalm * r79433 10MorgDKP/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:07.49 | CIA-45 | MorgDKP: |
| 00:07.49 | CIA-45 | - WEB: Fix a couple DKP change errors |
| 00:07.49 | CIA-45 | - Added boss fight timer |
| 00:07.49 | CIA-45 | - Added Suicide Kings spend all DKP system |
| 00:09.08 | Gnarfoz | haha they fixed the sw docks for the northrend boat route ;) |
| 00:09.50 | Arrowmaster | raegx: ok i suggest you calc the offset once then and save it so that you only get really screwed up numbers if you manage to login during the 1-2 minute gap between day change for server and local time |
| 00:10.11 | Arrowmaster | and not everytime you hit that gap |
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| 00:16.03 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: ping |
| 00:16.22 | profalbert | gnarfoz: pong |
| 00:16.46 | Gnarfoz | I just noticed (after the fact): the part of code we last changed @ parrot... that's for cooldown grouping, right? |
| 00:16.58 | Gnarfoz | DS and DP don't even share a CD anymore, so we could just have removed them xD |
| 00:17.17 | Gnarfoz | I'll do that real quick, if you don't mind ^^ |
| 00:17.24 | profalbert | go ahead |
| 00:17.24 | sylvanaar | i hate everyone today |
| 00:17.30 | Gnarfoz | haet > 9000? |
| 00:17.33 | profalbert | shouldn't that stuff while raiding ;) |
| 00:17.52 | profalbert | s/that/think about |
| 00:18.40 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: still at it? ;) |
| 00:18.43 | CIA-45 | 03gnarfoz 07WotLK * r79434 10Parrot/Data/Cooldowns.lua: Parrot (WotLK): actually, this was stupid because Divine Shield and Divine Protection don't even share cooldowns anymore. Thus removed. |
| 00:19.01 | profalbert | raiding? god no |
| 00:20.05 | Gnarfoz | wow neat, SmartSVN 4.0 has tortoise style explorer integration oO too bad I'm not using explorer :< |
| 00:21.24 | raegx | @arrowmaster good down to the second (not ms but good enough) server timestamp: h,m = GetGameTime(); t = time(); message( date( "%c", t + ((h - tonumber(date( "%H", t))) * 3600)) ); |
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| 00:35.16 | Cairenn | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule, and Group Hotel Rates: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 00:36.43 | Gnarfoz | I'd so like to go, but it's 10k+ km away :< |
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| 00:37.11 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: if no one said so already, your fix works. :) |
| 00:37.24 | Arrowmaster | half works |
| 00:37.42 | ckknight | can people still not log into US WotLK? |
| 00:37.45 | ckknight | or is it just me? |
| 00:37.55 | Arrowmaster | since it does introduce a bug too |
| 00:39.04 | Stan_ | so...I keep rezzing that lvl 47 rogue that wants to run thru timbermaw hold and he dies all the time..then I ask him we he doesn't use stealth...answer: "what does stealth mean?" |
| 00:39.13 | Stan_ | *why |
| 00:39.30 | profalbert | lol |
| 00:39.46 | Arrowmaster | dont rogues start with stealth? |
| 00:39.51 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: level two |
| 00:39.54 | profalbert | reminds me of that lvl55 warrior that asked "what's a def-stance") |
| 00:39.58 | Arrowmaster | my lvl1 bank alt has it |
| 00:40.02 | Gnarfoz | that's questable, though, profalbert ;) |
| 00:40.05 | Aiiane | hmm... that's only about 33 minutes away from me Cairenn o.0 |
| 00:40.07 | Stan_ | yes they do |
| 00:40.09 | Nosrac | your level 1 bank hacks |
| 00:40.14 | Gnarfoz | and yes, it's level 1 |
| 00:40.20 | Gnarfoz | sprint is level 2 or something ^^ |
| 00:40.30 | Nosrac | WoWDB says it's level 1 ;-) |
| 00:40.33 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: what bug, btw? |
| 00:41.12 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: old behavior was that its list of possible names included already loaded addons, new behavior is that the list include not yet loaded addons |
| 00:41.15 | Stan_ | now he asks me if I can give him "the protection" |
| 00:41.21 | Stan_ | >.< |
| 00:41.46 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: ah, yeah, figures. anyway, it's good enough I guess - what's that list actually used for? |
| 00:41.59 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: so calling LoadAddOn() in the main chunk before ADDON_LOADED fires will cause OnInit to be fired early just like it does in Ace3 |
| 00:42.17 | Stan_ | I can provide my funny whisper log, it's in german tho |
| 00:42.37 | profalbert | Stan_: gief pastey ;) |
| 00:42.44 | Stan_ | http://ace.pastey.net/92722 |
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| 00:44.04 | profalbert | now that's _really_ bad spelling |
| 00:44.20 | Stan_ | yes... |
| 00:44.23 | Gnarfoz | btw |
| 00:44.37 | Gnarfoz | earlier I saw someone with TWO Apolyon, the Soul-Renders |
| 00:44.39 | Gnarfoz | >_> haet |
| 00:44.45 | Gnarfoz | dual wielding warrior |
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| 00:45.36 | Gnarfoz | Stan_: OMG that guy can't spell for shit |
| 00:45.43 | Stan_ | ^^ |
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| 00:45.55 | Industrial | for shit |
| 00:46.00 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.11 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 00:49.34 | CIA-45 | 03nikkodemus * r79435 10Acheron/ (Locales/Locale-deDE.lua Locales/Locale-zhCN.lua Locales.xml): |
| 00:49.34 | CIA-45 | Acheron: |
| 00:49.34 | CIA-45 | - fix deDE localization |
| 00:49.34 | CIA-45 | - add zhCN localization |
| 00:53.44 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: [2008/07/30 02:51:29-54-x1]: SimpleBuffBars-$Revision: 765 $\SimpleBuffBars.lua:95: AceBucket-3.0 requires AceEvent-3.0 and AceTimer-3.0 *cough* ;) |
| 00:53.48 | Aiiane | what's match()'s escape character? |
| 00:54.04 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 00:54.17 | Shadowed | god damn ordering |
| 00:54.26 | Gnarfoz | they're not even in there =) |
| 00:54.33 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 00:54.35 | Shadowed | AceEvent is |
| 00:54.38 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:54.38 | Shadowed | Timer isn't |
| 00:54.48 | Gnarfoz | I looked for timer when I looked earlier ;) |
| 00:54.55 | Shadowed | stupid dependencies |
| 00:55.17 | Aiiane | ah, % |
| 00:55.21 | Shadowed | I'll just trash bucket later and make my own |
| 00:56.36 | Gnarfoz | I actually just wanted to see if it worked on WotLK (don't need it in my live UI), sadly it doesn't because it uses GetPlayerBuff(), but that's like, ultra-low priority ;) |
| 00:57.08 | Shadowed | I'll fix it once I get my invite |
| 00:57.20 | Shadowed | It should only take 5 seconds to fix it anyway |
| 00:58.00 | Gnarfoz | I don't really know what changed in regards to that, profalbert said it's gone and you have to use UnitAura() instead |
| 00:59.06 | CIA-45 | 03nomoon * r79436 10DebuffCounter/ (6 files): |
| 00:59.06 | CIA-45 | DebuffCounter: initial commit |
| 00:59.06 | CIA-45 | - Tracks the total number of Debuffs on your Target and/or Focus. |
| 01:00.07 | Shadowed | Yea Gnarfoz |
| 01:00.11 | Shadowed | Thtas why it'd take like 5 seconds |
| 01:01.16 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: heh, I'm too stupid to do it anyway, also not sure if it work identically on live, too, and I'll probably not even use a bar-style buff addon for all my buffs, using ClassTimer for the actual interesting ones anyway |
| 01:01.43 | Shadowed | Well fixed it either way, I'll push it out later tonight |
| 01:07.00 | NeoTron_ | think I'll convert MagicTargets to use LDB and/or an (optional) minimap button skipping FuBar |
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| 01:09.38 | CIA-45 | 03nomoon * r79437 10DebuffCounter/: |
| 01:09.38 | CIA-45 | DebuffCounter: |
| 01:09.38 | CIA-45 | - Updated externals |
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| 01:14.39 | CIA-45 | 03nomoon * r79438 10DebuffCounter/ (DebuffCounter.toc embeds.xml): |
| 01:14.39 | CIA-45 | DebuffCounter: |
| 01:14.39 | CIA-45 | - minor formatting/externals fixes |
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| 01:21.22 | chiper | so what is the click-casting method dejour for using grid? |
| 01:22.07 | Gnarfoz | Clique |
| 01:22.10 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 01:22.12 | Gnarfoz | ? ^^ |
| 01:23.04 | chiper | can clique be restricted to Grid only? |
| 01:23.43 | ulic | chiper: should be able to restrict it to any frames you like, last I checked. |
| 01:24.05 | chiper | hmm... clique is an ace addon is it not? |
| 01:24.25 | ulic | don't think it uses any ace libraries, no. |
| 01:24.29 | chiper | ah, ok |
| 01:24.40 | chiper | explains why it's not on WAU |
| 01:24.41 | ulic | but it's very clean, developed by cladaire |
| 01:24.46 | ulic | yea, wowi |
| 01:25.28 | Groktar | hmm |
| 01:25.35 | Groktar | what's k'iru's song of victory? |
| 01:25.41 | ulic | if you used jwowupdated it could update it |
| 01:25.43 | Corveroth | Is there any way to get the time remaining on an timer (AceTimer-3.0)? |
| 01:25.54 | ulic | Groktar: the SSO buff I think? |
| 01:26.29 | ulic | for killing the end guy and turning something in, like Mag's head & ony's head and such. |
| 01:26.59 | Aiiane | er, i dont think you have to turn anything in |
| 01:27.10 | Corveroth | K'iru shows up after all the gates are down and your server does some unknown number of extra dailies |
| 01:27.11 | Aiiane | it's just once you complete all of the island conquest event |
| 01:27.15 | ulic | oh, I dunno know, just assumed that part |
| 01:27.28 | ulic | oh, there you go |
| 01:28.08 | Corveroth | Buuut yeah. AceTimer, anyone? |
| 01:28.25 | ulic | no idea, check the wiki? |
| 01:29.28 | Corveroth | AceTimer-3.0 lists four functions for registering and cancelling them. Just sort hoping there was a known way of getting the times out, or if I need to go mucking around in the files. |
| 01:30.16 | Groktar | did they buff the droprate of sunwell epics? |
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| 01:31.54 | Corveroth | Buff? Far as my guild has seen, it was nerfed. |
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| 01:35.45 | Groktar | o |
| 01:36.01 | Groktar | we've gotten more epics the past 3 days than we got in the previous month |
| 01:36.04 | Pneumatus | chiper: yes it can |
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| 01:36.09 | Lanerra | Hey, Clad, you here? |
| 01:36.26 | Pneumatus | you can emable/disable what frames are used by Clique in its config |
| 01:36.49 | Ikz` | Does anyone know how to make the mod Spellbreak grow its bars up instead of down? |
| 01:38.40 | chiper | how do I set grid to not color by class? |
| 01:39.40 | NivFreak | there's a checkbox in there somewhere ;) |
| 01:40.13 | NivFreak | Groktar: we've seen a severe drop in our trash epics from my farming group, RNG ftw |
| 01:40.15 | chiper | I found one for the unit name, but not for the bacgrounds |
| 01:40.32 | NivFreak | Groktar: I don't think anything has actually changed |
| 01:40.37 | chiper | it looks like I'd have to set every class to the color I want |
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| 01:42.08 | NivFreak | no, there's another option |
| 01:42.10 | NivFreak | but I can't check atm |
| 01:42.34 | ulic | chiper: Maybe something to do with health bar, or health or something. |
| 01:42.43 | Lanerra | Anyone know how I can get coords drawn on Minimapster? I've been trying all night but it keeps throwing up in my face |
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| 01:44.04 | chiper | ahah, that was it |
| 01:45.34 | Groktar | wow when we fail on trash |
| 01:48.20 | Groktar | i can really see how much faster quickhealth is |
| 01:48.32 | Groktar | i see a person at 0% hp a tiny bit |
| 01:48.35 | Groktar | and THEN they die |
| 01:48.36 | Groktar | lol |
| 01:49.48 | Aiiane | mhm |
| 01:49.51 | Kalroth | Yup, I see it a lot |
| 01:49.58 | Kalroth | like -1400 health and then I die :p |
| 01:50.03 | Aiiane | It's an odd feeling knowing you're going to die :P |
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| 01:50.21 | Kalroth | I've also seen situations where I was saved by server lag |
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| 01:50.35 | Kalroth | my health was negative, but a heal landed right in time |
| 01:50.36 | nymbia | and that's the story of how Funkeh` stole my lunch money |
| 01:50.43 | Aiiane | 500, -2000, +3000, woo! |
| 01:50.44 | Pkekyo| | You gotta love forums where EVERYONE who reply to your topic avoid your question completely and just rant on about pseudo-related stuff |
| 01:50.59 | Funkeh` | what? |
| 01:51.08 | nymbia | you heard me! |
| 01:51.18 | Funkeh` | nymbia, you slack |
| 01:51.22 | nymbia | true |
| 01:51.24 | Funkeh` | where do you keep disappearing to |
| 01:51.43 | nymbia | well the whole 'not really playing for the past year' helps with that ;) |
| 01:51.47 | nymbia | shit break or what? |
| 01:51.51 | Ikz` | Hey, would someone be interested in coding a Pitbull extension for me for $10? I'd love to get a polymorph timer bar on my focus frame, kind of like the pitbull's cast bar only it shows the duration of polymorph and drains instead of gains. |
| 01:51.54 | Funkeh` | back for wotlk? |
| 01:52.12 | nymbia | although i WAS halfway through that big rework on quartz... <.< |
| 01:52.22 | Aiiane | lkz - you could get close to that (not bar, but text) via dogtags |
| 01:52.28 | Funkeh` | yeah was a good time to go afk |
| 01:52.31 | nymbia | Funkeh`: mayb ;) |
| 01:52.33 | Ikz` | Dogtags? |
| 01:52.41 | Funkeh` | nymbia, no, you mean yes |
| 01:52.47 | Ikz` | Oh! I think I know what you're talking about. |
| 01:52.48 | nymbia | Funkeh`: k |
| 01:52.54 | Aiiane | dogtags is the text parser that's built into many addons including pitbull |
| 01:52.56 | Aiiane | for custom texts |
| 01:53.07 | Ikz` | Any idea on how to make it show for polymorph then? |
| 01:53.10 | Aiiane | type /dogtag ingame for a reference |
| 01:53.11 | Aiiane | um, sec |
| 01:53.16 | Aiiane | let me dig up the banish one i had |
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| 01:53.23 | Ikz` | Awesome. |
| 01:54.22 | Aiiane | assuming i can find it... |
| 01:54.33 | Aiiane | actually, better idea |
| 01:54.35 | Aiiane | http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t23615-dogtags_3_0_thread/ |
| 01:54.38 | Aiiane | there's the EJ dogtags thread |
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| 01:54.46 | Aiiane | I know there are some sheep reminder examples in there |
| 01:54.59 | Aiiane | such as post #2 |
| 01:55.04 | Aiiane | by Trouble |
| 01:55.35 | Ikz` | Alright, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. |
| 01:56.17 | Ikz` | Do you know how to make it replace the name? |
| 01:56.23 | Ikz` | My focus frame is tiny. |
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| 01:58.19 | Ikz` | Actually - this doesn't seem to be what I'm after, these are only reminders.. |
| 01:58.26 | Ikz` | I need a physical timer, that has a number that counts down.. |
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| 01:59.26 | Ikz` | Oh here's one by f1reburn.. |
| 01:59.39 | Ikz` | Really excessive code though |
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| 02:00.48 | Ikz` | Okay here's somethin. |
| 02:01.09 | Ikz` | STill don't know how to make it hide the name if controlled though. |
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| 02:02.15 | Ikz` | ..well that's an issue. I can't actually save the code in Pitbull because the text block covers the save button. |
| 02:02.41 | Ikz` | Fun. |
| 02:03.49 | Corveroth | Is there a function for retrieving the name of whoever has loot on a target? |
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| 02:04.57 | Funkeh` | nymbia, nice ass |
| 02:05.36 | Ikz` | Sticking it in the LUA file didn't do it either. |
| 02:05.48 | nymbia | Funkeh`: you know it |
| 02:05.48 | Ikz` | How very irritating. |
| 02:05.49 | krka | Ikz`: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that :( |
| 02:06.02 | Ikz` | I capitalize all three letter extensions. |
| 02:07.16 | Arrowmaster | LUA |
| 02:07.21 | ulic | ~lart Arrowmaster |
| 02:07.21 | purl | nukes Arrowmaster with a single large nuke |
| 02:07.28 | ulic | somebody had to |
| 02:07.55 | Arrowmaster | so hard to trick krka's script |
| 02:08.00 | Xinhuan | Corveroth: no, start scanning the tooltip ;p |
| 02:08.19 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: ive been looking for you |
| 02:08.24 | Xinhuan | whats up |
| 02:08.27 | Xinhuan | i went out last night |
| 02:09.03 | Arrowmaster | you said you tested lifebloom again and found the bloom did cause threat? |
| 02:09.19 | Xinhuan | antiarc did the test suggested by jce |
| 02:09.31 | Xinhuan | he used his rogue, a moonkin, and a tree |
| 02:09.34 | Industrial | Ikz`: Lua is a word |
| 02:09.41 | Ikz` | Yes I know. |
| 02:09.47 | Industrial | good. |
| 02:09.49 | Xinhuan | rogue body pulls (take some damage), moonkin does like 150 damage (gets aggro) |
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| 02:10.08 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: do we have an idea of how much threat? |
| 02:10.11 | Xinhuan | then tree lifeblooms rogue (HoTs and blooms, no overheal, tree gains aggro on first hot tick) |
| 02:10.18 | Xinhuan | then tree tries to run and leash |
| 02:10.23 | Xinhuan | on leashing, mob runs to rogue |
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| 02:10.33 | Xinhuan | but we're unsure if leashing the mob that way resets the threat tables |
| 02:10.40 | Xinhuan | so i suggest letting the tree die instead |
| 02:10.46 | Xinhuan | that is untested as of now |
| 02:11.18 | Arrowmaster | ok but how much healing was the bloom doing? |
| 02:11.20 | Industrial | why do you need the moonkin in there? |
| 02:11.36 | Arrowmaster | as a 3rd threat source |
| 02:11.45 | Industrial | cant you just let the rogue get hit to cause threat and see if bloom out threats that? |
| 02:11.54 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:12.05 | Industrial | why not |
| 02:12.08 | Industrial | *interested* |
| 02:12.28 | Ikz` | Well the dogtag works but for some reason it says '19 %d Secs' |
| 02:12.28 | Arrowmaster | since the rogue is the test subject |
| 02:12.38 | Arrowmaster | so if the rogue hits it then the test is invalid |
| 02:13.01 | Arrowmaster | you cant 'out threat' yourself |
| 02:13.06 | Industrial | no without hitting, just pulling the mob |
| 02:13.14 | Industrial | ah, bloom does threat for the rogue |
| 02:13.17 | Industrial | nm |
| 02:13.19 | Aiiane | ikz - pastey what you have |
| 02:13.25 | Xinhuan | the point is for the moonkin to try to do 1 damage, rather than 150 |
| 02:13.41 | chiper | is there a setting somewhere in here to change the grid unit frame border thickness? |
| 02:13.47 | Xinhuan | so if the mob goes back on the moonkin after the tree dies, we know the bloom and hot did 0 threat on the rogue |
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| 02:13.57 | Xinhuan | we're still uncertain at this point |
| 02:14.29 | Ikz` | http://ace.pastey.net/92727 I would've carbon copied the dogtag from one of these person's posts, but unfortunately Pitbull actually covers the save button if the dogtag is too long. |
| 02:14.31 | Arrowmaster | rogue probably isnt best target to use for trying to find an exact number though |
| 02:16.23 | Ikz` | Is there a mod that lets you put a Dogtag anywhere on the screen? I also don't like how Pitbull's range checking fades the text out, so maybe I should just create a blank space and stick it on top |
| 02:16.41 | ckknight | Ikz`: one could be made pretty easily... |
| 02:17.22 | Industrial | I want threading and linked lists in dogtag or I wont use it. |
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| 02:18.07 | Ikz` | Here, let me unlock everything and show you what I'm looking for.. |
| 02:18.26 | ckknight | Industrial: it's not meant to even be turing complete, on purpose |
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| 02:18.51 | Xinhuan | we don't need an exact number at this point, we only wanted to know if threat is generated ;p |
| 02:18.55 | Xinhuan | i.e 0, or non-zero |
| 02:20.46 | Industrial | ckknight: I was joking. |
| 02:20.51 | ckknight | k |
| 02:23.25 | Ikz` | http://xs229.xs.to/xs229/08312/currentinterface786.png I need to lower the whole block of interface by about ten pixels sometime soon (hindsight) but there it is. I had to turn off Quartz's Focus buffs to make room for Spellbreak, and as you can see there's a small area I could fit a polymorph duration tracker by moving the focus cast bar up a bit. |
| 02:24.51 | Zyndrome | walks by |
| 02:24.54 | Zyndrome | what a mess |
| 02:25.45 | chiper | uhhh.... hmm. trying to configure clique, and none of the buttons in the window seem to be working |
| 02:26.04 | chiper | and I cant drag the clique window |
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| 02:32.43 | RaydenUni | oh man |
| 02:32.49 | RaydenUni | running a raid for the first time |
| 02:33.26 | Zyndrome | enjoy your valium |
| 02:33.43 | RaydenUni | kind of odd though cause one of the guys who usually runs it is here |
| 02:33.51 | RaydenUni | so i'm mostly just calling the pulls and stuff |
| 02:33.57 | RaydenUni | so not too stressful |
| 02:34.00 | RaydenUni | just never done it for kara |
| 02:34.24 | RaydenUni | led 5 mans all the time as a tank |
| 02:34.30 | RaydenUni | so much fun cause i can make the run go quickly |
| 02:36.00 | Zyndrome | go lead a Sunwell-raid :p |
| 02:36.16 | RaydenUni | not yet |
| 02:36.23 | Zyndrome | makes you a true motivator, like one of my officers |
| 02:36.48 | Zyndrome | "THAT WAS THE LARGEST DISPLAY OF STUPIDITY I'VE SEEN YET!" |
| 02:37.05 | falconindy1 | "its not rocket surgery" |
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| 02:40.20 | ckknight | I'm very glad that we don't have to change lua versions for WoW 3.0 |
| 02:40.26 | ckknight | going lua 5.0 -> 5.1 was a pain |
| 02:42.01 | Zyndrome | just you wait, Blizzard got a few tricks up their sleeve ;P |
| 02:42.09 | djspark | what does everyone suggest for a bag mod |
| 02:42.13 | djspark | I see baggins listed as outdated |
| 02:42.15 | djspark | is that true? |
| 02:42.43 | Zyndrome | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8113-Combuctor.html |
| 02:42.44 | Stan_ | Combuctor > * |
| 02:42.48 | Zyndrome | :3 |
| 02:43.24 | djspark | hmm, that is nice |
| 02:43.46 | Gnarfoz | combuctor is indeed nice, if it didn't use blizz looks :\ |
| 02:43.51 | ckknight | djspark: I use OneBag |
| 02:43.59 | djspark | aceupdater just makes me so lazy |
| 02:44.07 | Gnarfoz | what good is an all-in-one mod if it wastes space with useless UI fluff^^ |
| 02:44.20 | djspark | good point |
| 02:44.23 | Gnarfoz | OneBag, Bagnon, both doing basically the same, both rock :> |
| 02:44.24 | djspark | I liike minimalistic |
| 02:44.49 | Gnarfoz | Combuctor has awesome features, I just don't like the UI. give it a try^^ |
| 02:45.02 | RaydenUni | man |
| 02:45.08 | RaydenUni | i'm getting all sorts of healing stuff tonight |
| 02:45.13 | RaydenUni | healing mace off off maiden |
| 02:45.20 | RaydenUni | healing off hand from moroes |
| 02:46.44 | Zyndrome | move around during Flame Wreath for good luck |
| 02:47.49 | djspark | I always forget, can I get new addons to show via /reloadui |
| 02:48.11 | ckknight | no, restart WoW fully |
| 02:48.52 | djspark | ckknight, that name sounds familiar, what addons do you author? |
| 02:49.01 | ckknight | ~ckknight |
| 02:49.02 | purl | [ckknight] a strong developer in the Ace community, and a main developer of the Ace2 framework itself as well as the Rock framework, ckknight is best known for such addons as FuBar, Cartographer, PitBull, CowTip, Parrot, and so many more. See ~emulate ckknight for the full story. |
| 02:49.07 | Gnarfoz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2josUqMTUmE < lol |
| 02:49.12 | ckknight | it should say Chinchilla in there |
| 02:49.23 | djspark | hehe |
| 02:49.29 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: make it so |
| 02:49.33 | Gnarfoz | ~emulate ckknight |
| 02:49.34 | purl | You know why? Because you touch yourself at night |
| 02:49.34 | djspark | ah yes I remember, I submitted a fubar patch to u once |
| 02:49.34 | ckknight | no u |
| 02:49.38 | Gnarfoz | hrhr |
| 02:49.40 | Pkekyo| | :P |
| 02:50.03 | Gnarfoz | but... what's the "so many more" stand for if we add Chinchilla? ;) |
| 02:50.44 | ckknight | shit-tons of libraries. |
| 02:52.02 | djspark | bah, baggins choked |
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| 02:53.28 | djspark | OneBag/OneBank here we come |
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| 02:55.11 | CIA-45 | 03tsigo * r79439 10RaidCooldowns/classes/Mage.lua: RaidCooldowns/Mage: Add Ice Floes modifier for Ice Block (drycoded). |
| 02:55.18 | Lanerra | Damn it...I can't seem to figure out how to get coords to draw on Minimapster correctly |
| 02:55.55 | Lanerra | I tried the same bit that let me hack coords into oMinimap, but it craps out >.< |
| 03:00.05 | falconindy1 | simpleMiniMap does that, might wanna check out the code it uses |
| 03:00.53 | Lanerra | Hmmm...alright, I'll have a peep at it. Thanks :) |
| 03:01.22 | Gnarfoz | hahaha awesome: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1330485 |
| 03:01.41 | Gnarfoz | wii-mote steered canoe. |
| 03:01.51 | Gnarfoz | or boat, whatever |
| 03:03.54 | Groktar | h8 burn healing |
| 03:06.40 | Lanerra | Did the Ace2 on the beta get fixed? |
| 03:07.38 | ulic | Lanerra: last I saw it got fixed, but not effectively, that was the last I read on the topic. |
| 03:07.59 | Lanerra | Ah, did they basically do a quick fix/workaround? |
| 03:08.03 | ulic | not sure if that checkin was reverted or not. and it was only fixed in branches. |
| 03:09.14 | ulic | basically, a fix was made that they thought might fix it, but after thinking about, thought it wouldn't be a great fix. You can check the changelogs to see if anything was undone or not. |
| 03:09.36 | Lanerra | Alright, thanks, was just curious :) |
| 03:10.17 | ulic | but blizz didn't send me my key yet, so I have no idea how effective it may or may not have been. |
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| 03:16.45 | Lanerra | Yeah, I want a key so bad, too |
| 03:18.32 | Zhinjio | ~seen Ackis |
| 03:18.43 | purl | ackis is currently on #wowuidev (3d 8h 54m 46s) #wowace (3d 8h 54m 46s) #curseforge (3d 8h 54m 46s) #wowwiki (3d 8h 54m 46s). Has said a total of 69 messages. Is idling for 2h 38m 1s, last said: ':D'. |
| 03:18.49 | Zhinjio | what a slacker. |
| 03:19.13 | ckknight | I imagine Ackis with a bumpersticker: "I wish I were drycoding" |
| 03:19.50 | starlon | lol |
| 03:20.05 | Lanerra | lol |
| 03:21.39 | sylvanaar | ok, i dont believe i typed all this but: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14475.0 |
| 03:22.13 | sylvanaar | im interested in what people think |
| 03:26.01 | Arrowmaster | oh the failure |
| 03:26.02 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7706#comments |
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| 03:26.28 | Lanerra | It's an interesting concept. A modular library, essentially. In theory couldn't also enable the end-user to disable and enable what features they wanted as they saw fit? |
| 03:27.45 | ckknight | Lanerra: you can't control file loading that elegantly |
| 03:27.51 | sylvanaar | Lanerra anyone could - but this isnt about addon features, its more about libraries, and promoting code reuse |
| 03:30.27 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: your example is flawed |
| 03:30.29 | Lanerra | And I'm guessing that's all to do with the client? The lakc of elegant file-loading control, that is |
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| 03:30.40 | CIA-45 | 03ulic * r79440 10LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua: LibBars-1.0: Added the ability to set the background texture color per bar |
| 03:30.41 | sylvanaar | ckknight is right though, the user of these controls thier loading, they are meant to replace copy/paste without the overhead of libraries |
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| 03:31.30 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster that was alot to get out - what is flawed about it |
| 03:31.46 | Industrial | sylvanaar: aaah colors. cant read them. |
| 03:31.51 | Arrowmaster | wait why are you calling setfenv(1, CHAT_SVC_NAMESPACE) in the addon.lua? |
| 03:32.24 | sylvanaar | so they are usable by other things |
| 03:32.36 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 03:32.43 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: cause the library lives there |
| 03:32.51 | sylvanaar | another library can use the same bit of code |
| 03:32.56 | sylvanaar | without changing it |
| 03:32.59 | Arrowmaster | but hes doing it in addon.lua |
| 03:33.13 | sylvanaar | right, because addon.lua loads first |
| 03:33.20 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 03:33.46 | Arrowmaster | but you already have CHAT_SVC_NAMESPACE = addon in addon.lua which is all you need |
| 03:33.51 | Lanerra | simples smiles and nods |
| 03:34.08 | Industrial | but what if you have more then one addon setting CHAT_SVC_NAMESPACE to their own tables |
| 03:34.16 | Arrowmaster | doesnt matter |
| 03:34.38 | sylvanaar | this only matters during load |
| 03:34.48 | Industrial | i guess |
| 03:35.14 | Arrowmaster | when his BuildLinks.lua is run it actually puts BuildLinks() in addon.BuildLinks() |
| 03:35.51 | sylvanaar | thats right |
| 03:35.53 | Arrowmaster | except the setfenv(1, CHAT_SVC_NAMESPACE) in addon.lua isnt needed |
| 03:36.22 | ckknight | what's a good horde race for DK? |
| 03:36.45 | reqol | all but BE |
| 03:36.46 | Arrowmaster | and the 'local link = BuildLink(...)' in addon.lua will be nil when it runs |
| 03:36.58 | Lanerra | Orc looks pretty bad-ass as a Death Knight. Or did you prefer functionality or aesthetics? |
| 03:37.09 | Industrial | wat |
| 03:37.09 | sylvanaar | that was just to show that the function was accessable |
| 03:37.13 | Industrial | tauren. duh. |
| 03:37.30 | Industrial | or gnome |
| 03:37.42 | sylvanaar | right, sec fixing |
| 03:37.47 | Lanerra | I wanna see a goblin Death Knight |
| 03:38.12 | Industrial | cuddly little guy going RAAAH IMMA DESTOY YOU is always funny. like a warrior oneshotting you being a gnome or a lock. |
| 03:38.17 | ckknight | Lanerra: let's go with functionality |
| 03:39.10 | Corveroth | Is there any info on armor (the stat, not gear in general) scaling in WotLK? |
| 03:39.13 | Industrial | sylvanaar: see my reply. |
| 03:39.38 | Lanerra | Hmmmm...then probably Tauren or Orc, CK |
| 03:39.40 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster fixed, and also shows the relevance to the setfenv |
| 03:39.50 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 03:40.18 | sylvanaar | why not |
| 03:40.25 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: pastey, go. |
| 03:40.35 | Industrial | :D |
| 03:40.50 | Arrowmaster | just remove the 'setfenv(1, CHAT_SVC_NAMESPACE)' from addon.lua and replace 'BuildLink(...)' with 'addon.BuildLink(...)' |
| 03:40.59 | ckknight | Lanerra: okay, I'm thinking Tauren |
| 03:41.03 | Industrial | ck wins |
| 03:41.19 | Industrial | with a weapon as big as ashkandi |
| 03:41.27 | ckknight | wait, what server is everyone going on? |
| 03:41.30 | Industrial | armor as cool and evil as tier3 warrior |
| 03:41.45 | Industrial | dunno ck, is eu and us separated? |
| 03:41.48 | Industrial | i shure hope not |
| 03:42.53 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster that is another alternative, they both work. |
| 03:43.20 | sylvanaar | i'll make a note about it |
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| 03:43.27 | Arrowmaster | its still too complex of an idea imho |
| 03:43.39 | Arrowmaster | the majority of people wont even understand how it works |
| 03:43.54 | Industrial | meh like I replied, its going to be a bitch managing 10000000 files. |
| 03:44.40 | Industrial | its gunna have to be done in a central place else its still copy pasting someone elses code |
| 03:44.44 | Industrial | :P |
| 03:44.46 | Industrial | just a file instead of a chunk |
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| 03:44.59 | ckknight | what'd be a good alliance race for DK, then? |
| 03:45.06 | Industrial | gnome |
| 03:45.14 | Industrial | definately gnome |
| 03:45.19 | ckknight | nah, can't be a gnome |
| 03:45.22 | ckknight | I blame them for everything |
| 03:45.33 | Arrowmaster | spacecow |
| 03:45.34 | ckknight | (it's all their fault) |
| 03:45.45 | Lanerra | I bet a Draenai would look bad ass |
| 03:45.50 | Industrial | humans are lame, night elves are gay, dwarves smell and draenei dont fit deathknights imo. |
| 03:46.01 | Aiiane | blood elf, undead, orc :P |
| 03:46.06 | Lanerra | But, for the sake of getting all my rep faster, I'd go human |
| 03:46.16 | ckknight | Aiiane: note how I said alliance |
| 03:46.20 | Industrial | blood elves are the gayesy gaylords of elves. |
| 03:46.21 | reqol | restart |
| 03:46.27 | sylvanaar | Industrial yes, a central place for these things, like a common folder would work |
| 03:46.31 | Aiiane | ckknight: Note how I'm intentionally being difficult :P |
| 03:46.47 | Arrowmaster | common folder? |
| 03:46.56 | Industrial | sylvanaar: I mean like, for categorizing and describing all available libraries |
| 03:46.57 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:47.07 | Arrowmaster | sounds like an even worse idea |
| 03:47.17 | Industrial | to even know what they are and get the latest version :P |
| 03:47.20 | Arrowmaster | if your idea of common folder is what i think it is |
| 03:48.05 | Lanerra | In Minimapster is "MM" the thing you'd use to make calls to the addon? ie. "MM:SetFontString(nil, "OVERLAY")"? |
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| 03:50.18 | Lanerra | Anyone know? |
| 03:50.29 | sylvanaar | well, I havent thought through all the details of how to share the files, that problem is solveable, and could be left to the authors. The design is for the files not to be "shared" at runtime |
| 03:50.56 | sylvanaar | that would be dynamic linking |
| 03:51.13 | Industrial | yes |
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| 03:51.30 | Arrowmaster | overkill for the copy paste problem |
| 03:52.00 | Industrial | but this means you are going to do the exact opposite of ZOMGDISEMBEDDING for the greater good of sharing code. |
| 03:52.12 | Industrial | having every addon use its own libraries |
| 03:52.42 | Industrial | and if you are going to put it all in a separate folder/addon in the addons dir |
| 03:52.51 | Industrial | it will mean everyone has every library loaded at some point |
| 03:52.55 | Arrowmaster | except these arent really even libraries, just code sniplets of probably like 1 or 2 functions each |
| 03:52.56 | sylvanaar | remember that these are meant for things which wouldnt make sense to create a library for |
| 03:53.00 | Industrial | because some author (everyone) deems it nessecary to use some library |
| 03:53.21 | Industrial | just like how everyone that does dismbedding has their addon folder exploded. |
| 03:53.39 | Industrial | ah ok, I was thinking of everything in this format |
| 03:54.03 | sylvanaar | you would have this code in your addon anyway |
| 03:54.34 | sylvanaar | either via copy/paste, or by something slightly more structured |
| 03:54.34 | Industrial | yes ;p |
| 03:54.45 | Industrial | http://github.com/Industrial/idaddon/tree/master/lib |
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| 03:56.30 | sylvanaar | well, its just an idea, i dont expect anyone to buy into it. it has some nice side effects with restricting the local environments of things that use it - which would promote better code practice |
| 03:57.01 | Arrowmaster | thats better done by slaping those around that need to learn better code practices |
| 03:57.12 | Industrial | I was going to say that |
| 03:57.19 | Arrowmaster | since theyll still need to learn better code practices |
| 03:58.50 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79441 10RepWatch/: RepWatch |
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| 04:01.52 | Industrial | nn |
| 04:02.46 | CIA-45 | 03cryect 072.4 * r79442 10Recount2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 04:02.46 | CIA-45 | Recount2: |
| 04:02.46 | CIA-45 | -Refactors the view config with translation slightly in mind |
| 04:02.46 | CIA-45 | -Stores the english race instead of the translated one for entities |
| 04:02.46 | CIA-45 | -Fixes a bug with not all the grips being hidden for windows that aren't resizable |
| 04:03.16 | sylvanaar | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Prat/3.0/services/print.lua that is a larger example |
| 04:04.05 | thul | Ellipsis: lots of new cool pictures for you :-P |
| 04:04.49 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79443 10RepWatch/ (59 files in 14 dirs): RepWatch |
| 04:05.03 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 04:05.15 | sylvanaar | right Industrial |
| 04:05.24 | Arrowmaster | huge netsplit on rizon and now none of the damn xdcc bots will respond to me |
| 04:06.37 | ckknight | well, the ingame calendar is pretty cool |
| 04:06.55 | durcyn | ...59 files? ffs, someone teach him how to use externals |
| 04:07.04 | sylvanaar | Industrial same thing as what you have basically, but it doesnt put things into the global environment |
| 04:07.39 | Cryect2 | durcyn, pfft maybe he's rewriting alarlib in RepWatch |
| 04:08.04 | Cryect2 | though checking it nope he isn't |
| 04:08.43 | Arrowmaster | name = "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n|cffFF7F24Version: 1.0.5 (Release)\nAuthor: Seglberg of Thrall|r", |
| 04:08.45 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 04:11.40 | Arrowmaster | LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0").HandleCommand(RepWatch, "RepWatch", input) |
| 04:11.43 | Arrowmaster | lol again |
| 04:11.55 | Arrowmaster | that method does not exist |
| 04:12.38 | Arrowmaster | oh wow |
| 04:12.40 | Arrowmaster | this is total fail |
| 04:12.51 | Arrowmaster | total total fail |
| 04:12.59 | Arrowmaster | uses GetRealZoneText() |
| 04:13.03 | Arrowmaster | for everything |
| 04:13.52 | Arrowmaster | elseif GetRealZoneText() == "Booty Bay" then |
| 04:14.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats gona work real well |
| 04:14.02 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79444 10RepWatch/ (Core.lua Libs/ RepWatch.toc embeds.xml): RepWatch |
| 04:14.24 | Zyndrome | seals Arrowmaster in a pressure chamber |
| 04:14.45 | Cryect2 | You scared him, he deleted them |
| 04:14.59 | Ikz` | Does anyone know why I can't find any DogTags in the settings file for CowTip? |
| 04:15.11 | Ikz` | Are they saved elsewhere? |
| 04:15.19 | Ikz` | It just says 'nil' where I'm looking. |
| 04:15.28 | Lanerra | Do you mean trying to look up DogTags for Cowtip? |
| 04:15.41 | Ikz` | No, I mean DogTags in the settings file for Cowtip. |
| 04:15.54 | Ikz` | The WTF directory. |
| 04:16.11 | Aiiane | World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\AccountName\SavedVariables\Cowtip.lua |
| 04:16.19 | Ikz` | Yes, that's where I am. |
| 04:16.22 | Ikz` | The DogTags are now in here. |
| 04:16.25 | Ikz` | not in here* |
| 04:16.28 | Aiiane | ["Text"] = { |
| 04:16.28 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.28 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.28 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.34 | Ikz` | Yes, that's where I am. |
| 04:16.35 | Arrowmaster | have you changed your at all? |
| 04:16.44 | Aiiane | is WoW still running? |
| 04:16.50 | Arrowmaster | or are you using the default ones still? |
| 04:17.04 | Ikz` | Oh, so there are 'defaults' Arrow? |
| 04:17.08 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79445 10RepWatch/ (Core.lua Libs/ RepWatch.toc embeds.xml): RepWatch: Initial Commit |
| 04:17.10 | Ikz` | That would explain it. |
| 04:17.15 | Arrowmaster | i thought there would be |
| 04:17.24 | Arrowmaster | since a blank tooltip would be useless |
| 04:17.39 | Ikz` | 'nil' must be 'default' then. |
| 04:17.53 | Arrowmaster | actually thats probably wrong |
| 04:18.18 | Ikz` | It must be right because it's the same way in the backup too. And I know it's not actually blank. |
| 04:19.04 | Ikz` | Testing it now |
| 04:19.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont know anymore since it seems ive forgotten most of RockDB from the time that i went over every single damn line by line looking for a bug |
| 04:19.32 | Ikz` | Yep. |
| 04:19.34 | Ikz` | That's how it works. |
| 04:19.40 | Ikz` | I changed it back to 'nil' and it went back to default. |
| 04:19.56 | Ikz` | That would explain my confusion. |
| 04:22.08 | ckknight | what talent spec should I go on my DK? |
| 04:25.37 | Lanerra | Not too sure about that one, CK. I'm questioning that myself |
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| 04:27.55 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Funkeh`] by ChanServ |
| 04:28.06 | Lanerra | Ugh...I can't seem to get this damned code right |
| 04:29.24 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79446 10Prat/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:29.24 | CIA-45 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
| 04:29.24 | CIA-45 | Replaced the environment tables with SVC_NAMESPACE instead of |
| 04:29.24 | CIA-45 | CHAT_SVC_NAMESPACE. |
| 04:29.59 | Lanerra | Trying your microlibrary idea in Prat3, Syl? |
| 04:30.24 | pastamancer | hrm, need some ideas for gag items to send someone along with a riding crop to "help them in the bedroom" |
| 04:31.14 | ckknight | bondage tape is always a good present |
| 04:31.17 | sylvanaar | Lanerra i was already using something like it there, but it was not generic - ie. it had "Prat" instead of "SVC_NAMESPACE" |
| 04:31.27 | RaydenUni | sometimes my guild's loot rules are stupid |
| 04:31.28 | pastamancer | ckknight: in-game items :p |
| 04:31.30 | Lanerra | Ah, coolness |
| 04:31.33 | ckknight | oh |
| 04:31.39 | RaydenUni | shaman off spec won healing leather gloves instead of druid off spec |
| 04:31.43 | Lanerra | Twig of the Worldtree? |
| 04:31.43 | ckknight | they need to add bondage tape to WoW, clearly |
| 04:31.51 | pastamancer | like a steamy romance novel or rusty spoon |
| 04:31.52 | Ikz` | Can I get help with a DogTag? It's supposed to either display (NPC), (Pet), or the player's class. [(if IsPlayer then Class(unit="mouseover") end)(if not IsPlayer and not IsPet then '(NPC)' end)(if IsPet then '(Pet)' end)] |
| 04:31.58 | pastamancer | I won't deny that |
| 04:32.04 | pastamancer | Gnomish Bondage Tape |
| 04:32.16 | Ikz` | I keep getting a syntax error and I don't know where it's failing. |
| 04:32.37 | Aiiane | ikz - paste your code into the /dogtag test area |
| 04:32.41 | Aiiane | and see how it highlights |
| 04:33.11 | Ikz` | It highlights how it should, I think. I'm just getting a syntax error somewhere. |
| 04:33.30 | Aiiane | pastey it then |
| 04:33.50 | Ikz` | http://ace.pastey.net/92732 |
| 04:34.23 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79447 10RepWatch/: RepWatch |
| 04:35.37 | Ikz` | I'm thinking maybe I used 'end's inappropriately or maybe something dealing with brackets and parentheses. |
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| 04:36.39 | Ikz` | Nevermind I think I fixed it.. |
| 04:36.44 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79448 10RepWatch/: RepWatch |
| 04:36.48 | Aiiane | hehe :) |
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| 04:38.22 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79449 10RepWatch/Libs/: RepWatch |
| 04:40.02 | durcyn | christ, he's good. |
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| 04:44.42 | Erica | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.00 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar * r79450 10/branches/WhoLib/: WhoLib: Branch for possible update |
| 04:45.19 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79451 10WhoLib/: WhoLib: Branch for possible update |
| 04:45.20 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: update? |
| 04:45.28 | Arrowmaster | doesnt that kinda need more of a rewrite? |
| 04:45.39 | Arrowmaster | last i heard it was really bad |
| 04:45.59 | ckknight | Erica: probably should change your password now |
| 04:46.04 | sylvanaar | well, we'll just have to see once we have looked at it |
| 04:46.15 | CIA-45 | 03cryect 072.4 * r79452 10Recount2/GUI_Details.lua: |
| 04:46.15 | CIA-45 | Recount2: |
| 04:46.16 | CIA-45 | -Adjusts the min height of the detail pane based on number of sections opened |
| 04:46.41 | *** join/#wowace aestil (n=holycall@cpe-76-95-133-5.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:48.08 | sylvanaar | people say all sorts of stuff, and anything who related is a bitch to write, so if something works - or come close - its getting used unless someone wants to spend their time rewriting it |
| 04:48.45 | Gnarfoz | gimme back mah server :< |
| 04:49.41 | ckknight | they stoleded it! |
| 04:50.28 | aestil | i have fully read the post kaelten made about wowace and curseforge, and i knew it was coming, but what i'm wondering is, should i get some sort of new client instead of the WAU? |
| 04:50.41 | *** join/#wowace Orionshock (n=chatzill@ip68-225-195-1.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:51.00 | sylvanaar | just wait until later |
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| 04:51.39 | aestil | so shit isn't being commited to curseforge, and is somehow invisible to WAU yet? |
| 04:52.14 | sylvanaar | aestil um things are going there yeah, but only if the project is hosted there |
| 04:52.31 | NeoTron | what's the name of the shared media config helper lib? |
| 04:52.35 | NeoTron | I can't seem to find it |
| 04:52.54 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 04:53.04 | Gnarfoz | the AceGUISharedMediaWidgets thingy/ |
| 04:53.06 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 04:53.10 | ckknight | aestil: hrm? |
| 04:53.15 | sylvanaar | aestil you can try jwu if you want to update from both curse wowi and wowace |
| 04:53.23 | Gnarfoz | which was broken by the latest beta patch, btw >_> no ace3 configs work Anymore, at all |
| 04:53.23 | CIA-45 | 03cwdg 07WotLK * r79453 10OneBag/ (22 files in 3 dirs): |
| 04:53.23 | CIA-45 | OneBag(WotLK): |
| 04:53.23 | CIA-45 | - fix frame error for WotLK |
| 04:53.31 | ckknight | aestil: basically, don't worry until the transition |
| 04:53.38 | aestil | ok. |
| 04:53.53 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 04:54.04 | aestil | i don't update my addons more than once every 3 days. |
| 04:54.09 | aestil | everything is pretty damn stable atm. |
| 04:54.09 | Arrowmaster | HOW THE FUCK DID THE DAMN CHINESE GET INTO BETA BEFORE ME! |
| 04:54.16 | NeoTron | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets yep |
| 04:54.18 | DARKGuy | It's the chinese |
| 04:54.31 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I did, too, so... ;p |
| 04:54.38 | sylvanaar | they bribed a local offical |
| 04:54.44 | Gnarfoz | with what, rice? |
| 04:54.57 | sylvanaar | um, epix |
| 04:54.58 | Gnarfoz | (yeah I know, being evil .P) |
| 04:55.03 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79454 10RepWatch/ziplist.wau: RepWatch |
| 04:55.06 | Arrowmaster | they dont get epix |
| 04:55.16 | sylvanaar | epix gets them rice |
| 04:55.26 | sylvanaar | (that was even worse) |
| 04:55.43 | Yssaril | any good mail retrival mods out there? (one click and i get everything out of my mailbox?) |
| 04:55.51 | Aeyan | Me and a good portion of an old guild of mine got into the EQ2 beta by claiming we were all residents of an apartment complex in Paris, France |
| 04:56.02 | Aeyan | It was a EU giveaway, I think |
| 04:56.03 | sylvanaar | who is seglberg |
| 04:56.32 | Lanerra | Woohoo! Got the coords working...kind of... |
| 04:56.41 | Arrowmaster | who is this Seglberg guy and why does he suck |
| 04:56.48 | Arrowmaster | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/RepWatch/ziplist.wau |
| 04:56.50 | sylvanaar | he needs to delete ziplist.wau |
| 04:56.55 | Arrowmaster | utf16 ftl |
| 04:57.00 | sylvanaar | im going to delete it |
| 04:57.03 | CIA-45 | 03ackis * r79455 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua: |
| 04:57.03 | CIA-45 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 04:57.03 | CIA-45 | - Optimized some code (don't need to set the text colour actually) |
| 04:57.03 | CIA-45 | - Fix for smelting maybe and localization issues maybe? |
| 04:57.03 | CIA-45 | - 105913 "official" downloads :D |
| 04:57.04 | CIA-45 | - xzar sucks and is the worst guild leader ever |
| 04:57.25 | sylvanaar | its generated by wau, not provided in the zip |
| 04:57.26 | Arrowmaster | does ziplist.wau actually get used by anything? i thougt it was filelist.wau |
| 04:57.33 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 04:57.33 | DARKGuy | lol Ackis |
| 04:58.12 | Gnarfoz | hehe ackis |
| 04:58.20 | sylvanaar | it contains the list of files extracted from the zip, its used as a mask when applying a new zip. This eliminates the need to "delete before update" |
| 04:58.37 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: delete it then |
| 04:58.40 | sylvanaar | i am |
| 04:58.48 | sylvanaar | hold on |
| 04:58.50 | Arrowmaster | also guessing its not ment to be utf16? |
| 04:59.08 | sylvanaar | i dont think it matters, but no |
| 04:59.13 | Ackis | is this correct: <Include file="libs\AceLocale-3.0\AceLocale-3.0.xml"/> (in embeds.xml) |
| 04:59.17 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79456 10RepWatch/ziplist.wau: RepWatch |
| 04:59.23 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:59.42 | Lanerra | Damn it...why is it I can get coordinates to show up on the minimap if I make the code a seperate addon, but not when I try to slipstream the code into an existing addon. In this case, Minimapster...anyone got any ideas? |
| 04:59.50 | Ackis | and libs/AceLocale-3.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/AceLocale-3.0/ in svn:externals |
| 05:00.01 | Ackis | I'm getting users complaining of localization errors but they look good to me |
| 05:00.21 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: do your localizations have 'if not L then return end' |
| 05:00.40 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 05:00.42 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: want me to? |
| 05:00.53 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79457 10RepWatch/ziplist.wau: RepWatch |
| 05:01.11 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79458 10RepWatch/ziplist.wau: RepWatch |
| 05:01.21 | Yssaril | what the hell is that guy doing? |
| 05:01.29 | Arrowmaster | pastamancer: PING! |
| 05:02.28 | Aiiane | that's a very enthusiastic ping |
| 05:02.42 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar * r79459 10RepWatch/ziplist.wau: RepWatch: DO NOT COMMIT ZIPLIST.WAU, perhaps you want filelist.wau |
| 05:03.06 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: no he doesnt |
| 05:03.13 | Arrowmaster | he needs to not have downs |
| 05:03.36 | Gnarfoz | he also probably wants to use sensible commit messages >_> |
| 05:03.38 | sylvanaar | does he have any unpacking |
| 05:04.25 | Arrowmaster | i say we vote him off the svn |
| 05:04.32 | Arrowmaster | since its closing anyway |
| 05:04.52 | Zyndrome | vote off the island |
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| 05:05.27 | CIA-45 | 03Seglberg * r79460 10RepWatch/ (Core.lua RepWatch.toc): |
| 05:05.28 | CIA-45 | RepWatch |
| 05:05.28 | CIA-45 | -Updated core.lua and .toc file |
| 05:07.18 | sylvanaar | how far along is kolie with the new updater? |
| 05:07.41 | CIA-45 | 03ackis * r79461 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.toc embeds.xml): |
| 05:07.41 | CIA-45 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 05:07.41 | CIA-45 | - Change order of embeds.xml |
| 05:07.41 | CIA-45 | - Xzar and Awaken sitting in a tree... Fill in the rest here. |
| 05:08.25 | Ackis | (sorry guild drama and I'm having fun with my commit notes) |
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| 05:09.15 | Ackis | ~love arrowmaster |
| 05:09.16 | purl | If you love arrowmaster so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 05:09.57 | falconindy1 | anyone know offhand which Prat module hides join/leave spam on chat channels? |
| 05:11.17 | sylvanaar | filtering |
| 05:11.58 | falconindy1 | that would explain it... now to figure out why it isn't loading |
| 05:12.24 | sylvanaar | um, not enabled? |
| 05:12.32 | falconindy1 | its not showing up in the 'all modules' list |
| 05:12.35 | sylvanaar | using AutoLoD |
| 05:12.44 | sylvanaar | uncheck AutoLoD |
| 05:12.50 | sylvanaar | enable filtering |
| 05:12.52 | falconindy1 | genius |
| 05:12.57 | sylvanaar | check AutoLoD again |
| 05:13.03 | sylvanaar | click on reload link |
| 05:13.37 | CIA-45 | 03ackis * r79462 10AltTabber/embeds.xml: |
| 05:13.37 | CIA-45 | AltTabber: |
| 05:13.37 | CIA-45 | - Switched around embeds.xml |
| 05:13.37 | CIA-45 | - 622 official downloads of this mod roflz |
| 05:13.55 | falconindy1 | thanks sylv, just a retard moment on my part |
| 05:14.14 | Nosrac | Hey, is anyone willing to help me out with a small problem? It should be fast. http://ace.pastey.net/92736 |
| 05:14.21 | sylvanaar | nah, thats a confusing feature until you realize that it isnt |
| 05:14.54 | falconindy1 | well i messed up something with Babble-2.2 earlier today and i think that's why ive been having issues with mods all day |
| 05:15.07 | sylvanaar | prat still uses it |
| 05:15.15 | falconindy1 | yup |
| 05:15.17 | sylvanaar | so you need to keep it installed |
| 05:15.39 | sylvanaar | specifically it uses Babble-Class-2.2 |
| 05:16.03 | falconindy1 | yeah for the classnames module |
| 05:16.15 | falconindy1 | babble-2.2 is generally all deprecated though, isn't it? |
| 05:16.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:16.30 | sylvanaar | has anyone fixed babble-class-3.0 so that it can handle masc/fem class names |
| 05:17.09 | sylvanaar | i hacked a fix into 2.2 |
| 05:17.23 | sylvanaar | thats why in still using it |
| 05:17.44 | falconindy1 | i figured there had to be a reason... just never inquired |
| 05:18.18 | sylvanaar | and it fixed every addon which used it too |
| 05:18.25 | CIA-45 | 03ackis * r79463 10Querier/embeds.xml: |
| 05:18.25 | CIA-45 | Querier: |
| 05:18.25 | CIA-45 | - Embeds.xml update |
| 05:18.25 | CIA-45 | - An amazing 803 official downloads of this! :P |
| 05:18.50 | CIA-45 | 03ackis * r79464 10TIRaid/embeds.xml: |
| 05:18.50 | CIA-45 | TIRaid: |
| 05:18.50 | CIA-45 | - Embeds.xml update |
| 05:18.54 | Arrowmaster | i should commit this addon i have but ackis will hate me for it |
| 05:19.02 | Ackis | which is it? |
| 05:19.09 | Arrowmaster | AltTabberLite |
| 05:19.12 | Ackis | wow |
| 05:19.13 | Ackis | :P |
| 05:19.21 | Ackis | name copier |
| 05:19.23 | Ackis | ! |
| 05:19.29 | Arrowmaster | addon bloater |
| 05:19.32 | Arrowmaster | ! |
| 05:19.47 | Ackis | I was learning ace3 :( |
| 05:21.02 | Ackis | i'm surprised that you didn't rip it apart actually |
| 05:21.08 | *** part/#wowace Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-242-180-212.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:21.10 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 05:21.14 | Arrowmaster | i just didnt commit it yet |
| 05:21.19 | Ackis | just overwrite it? |
| 05:22.04 | sylvanaar | no, it doesnt have the fix in it - and if i add it i'll have to deal with all kinds of bs |
| 05:22.43 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: if i did that you still wouldnt like it |
| 05:23.07 | Ackis | I would've sent you a pm saying "what did you do" then I'd be like "cool thanks" :P |
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| 05:23.48 | Arrowmaster | no you wouldnt since i would rip out everything including your AboutPanel.lua and DownloadCount.lua |
| 05:24.11 | Ackis | DownloadCount is pro |
| 05:24.19 | CIA-45 | 03ackis * r79465 10WelfareEpics/embeds.xml: |
| 05:24.19 | CIA-45 | WelfareEpics: |
| 05:24.19 | CIA-45 | - Fix embeds.xml (I should probably start working on this mod again) |
| 05:25.37 | Ackis | download count doesn't run in game btw (if you didn't know :P) |
| 05:25.42 | pastamancer | Ackis: I demand more drycoded updates! |
| 05:25.50 | Ackis | haha |
| 05:25.53 | Ackis | I'm not at work |
| 05:25.53 | Ackis | :P |
| 05:26.12 | pastamancer | I should hope not :p |
| 05:26.19 | Ackis | but arrowmaster is telling me my code is terrible!!! ahhhh ahahhhhhhh ahhhhhh roflz |
| 05:26.31 | Ackis | <3 Arrowmaster |
| 05:26.42 | Groktar | consults with Arrowmaster |
| 05:26.45 | Groktar | Ackis |
| 05:26.46 | Groktar | ur code r bad |
| 05:27.00 | Ackis | haha |
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| 05:29.23 | Ackis | it is :( |
| 05:29.27 | sylvanaar | well, should I update LBC-3.0 or how are people getting the locale neutral class from translated masc/fem class string |
| 05:30.42 | Arrowmaster | well you dont really run into the problem anywhere that i can think of |
| 05:31.16 | sylvanaar | yeah, there are places you do |
| 05:31.26 | Arrowmaster | like where |
| 05:32.08 | sylvanaar | i'll have to check the prat history to see if i made a note when i moved back to 2-2 from 3.0 |
| 05:32.30 | Arrowmaster | guessing the guild info function? |
| 05:32.51 | sylvanaar | i think friend - but same thing |
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| 05:33.59 | Arrowmaster | damn i really dont feel like loggin in just to do /dump GetFriendInfo(1) |
| 05:34.07 | *** join/#wowace AcTiVaTe (n=activate@d594eeda.static.dsl.concepts.nl) |
| 05:36.44 | Ackis | I'll get it |
| 05:37.05 | Ackis | "Rasse", 70, "Shaman", "Shattrath City", 1, "" |
| 05:37.45 | Arrowmaster | ok that could be one |
| 05:37.55 | sylvanaar | what |
| 05:38.01 | Arrowmaster | it really should have another return |
| 05:38.15 | sylvanaar | righyt |
| 05:38.26 | sylvanaar | the locale neutral class |
| 05:38.29 | Arrowmaster | need to report to blizzard as a bug |
| 05:38.35 | sylvanaar | it was |
| 05:38.36 | Ackis | "Shaelynx", 70, "Rogue", "Shattrath City", 1, "" |
| 05:38.52 | Ackis | "Christwo", 70, "Warlock", "Unknown", nil, "" |
| 05:38.55 | Ackis | that's an offline friend |
| 05:39.09 | sylvanaar | ok, so - do i add the fix to LBC or just use 2.2 |
| 05:39.18 | Arrowmaster | just use 2.2 |
| 05:40.07 | sylvanaar | if i use 3.0, i'll have to make a microlibrary to fill in the missing functionality |
| 05:41.30 | Arrowmaster | why does GetGuildRosterInfo() and GetWhoInfo() give a nonlocalized class name but GetFriendInfo() doesnt... |
| 05:43.15 | sylvanaar | welcome to 4 months ago |
| 05:44.42 | sylvanaar | theres a fix in 2.2 that lets reverse translate, noone ported it forward, and i guess there are 10 implementations of how to handle it now |
| 05:45.14 | Arrowmaster | well i thought your fix was dirty |
| 05:45.31 | sylvanaar | well, its cleaner than error messages |
| 05:46.02 | sylvanaar | and it was small and simple |
| 05:46.35 | sylvanaar | you got a better one - i'm all ears |
| 05:46.47 | Diao | does anyone know if grid 3.0 was ever going to be finished :o |
| 05:48.50 | Aiiane | wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 05:49.38 | Ikz` | I'm having a weird problem with SSPVP. Every time UI is reloaded or I restart the game or whatever, where I put the pvp objectives is way off afterward. |
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| 06:00.07 | Diao | delete your savedvariables Ikz`? |
| 06:00.29 | Ikz` | I did. It seems to be tied to the addon itself. |
| 06:01.22 | Ikz` | I looked around in move.lua but nothing stood out. |
| 06:01.24 | Diao | strange.. i have no issues with it |
| 06:01.34 | Ikz` | What resolution do you use |
| 06:03.43 | Keias | Ikz`, I get that on some characters too. It seems to be completely random |
| 06:03.48 | Keias | Works fine on my two 70s though. |
| 06:05.14 | Ikz` | How can it be random? Makes no sense.. |
| 06:05.58 | Keias | I have no idea |
| 06:06.17 | Keias | probably a conflict with another mod, since I don't play my alts much. Could be fixed now for all I know :P |
| 06:08.34 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79466 10Prat/services/classgenderfix.lua: |
| 06:08.34 | CIA-45 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
| 06:08.34 | CIA-45 | Add support for reverse translating gendered clases. |
| 06:09.36 | Ikz` | This is the newest version |
| 06:10.02 | Ikz` | I'll just have to keep editing the settings file directly until it's where I want it.. |
| 06:11.24 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar * r79467 10LibBabble-Class-3.0/LibBabble-Class-3.0.lua: |
| 06:11.24 | CIA-45 | LibBabble-Class-3.0 |
| 06:11.24 | CIA-45 | - Merged in 2.2 feminine translations. Users still need to provide their own implementations of reverse lookup+struppr, and their own lookup of class color |
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| 06:14.53 | Bangerz | I'm writing this new mod, using Ace3, and for some reason none of the functions other than OnInitialize() and OnEnable() seem to register, if I try to call them it says they dont exist. Never had this problem before... any ideas? |
| 06:16.04 | erikh | well this is awesome |
| 06:16.21 | erikh | just learned how to push to multiple remote repositories at once w/ git |
| 06:16.37 | Aiiane | Bangerz: pastey a sample? |
| 06:16.45 | Aiiane | ace.pastey.net |
| 06:19.41 | Bangerz | http://ace.pastey.net/92744 |
| 06:19.56 | Bangerz | is that what you mean? If I try to call any function, it just says they arent there |
| 06:20.29 | Aiiane | try self:slashHandler (or the like) |
| 06:21.03 | Bangerz | yeah I was messing around with that, same problem |
| 06:21.16 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79468 10Prat/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:21.16 | CIA-45 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
| 06:21.16 | CIA-45 | Added the classcolor service and the classgenderfix service |
| 06:21.18 | Aiiane | also why local BangPVPaladin= BangPVPaladin? |
| 06:22.01 | Bangerz | eh because it was self and Im just changing things at random to find the problem :p |
| 06:22.10 | Aiiane | also, what does the beginning of your main chunk look like (the LibStub call)? |
| 06:23.08 | Gnarfoz | obviously, changing things randomly leads to success |
| 06:23.09 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 06:23.29 | Nosrac | Gnarfoz: Often enough, it does >< |
| 06:23.54 | Bangerz | Well I tried logical things first :p |
| 06:25.04 | Luthorhuss | gnight everyone! |
| 06:25.13 | Nosrac | Night |
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| 06:26.03 | Nosrac | If someone would look at some code that's causing me problems I would appreciate it ;-): http://ace.pastey.net/92736 |
| 06:29.35 | Bangerz | AddOns\BangPVPaladin\BangPVPaladin.lua line 1026: attempt to call method 'slashHandler' (a nil value) |
| 06:29.45 | Bangerz | when its like... right there... |
| 06:30.13 | Aiiane | 04[23:20] Aiiane: 01also, what does the beginning of your main chunk look like (the LibStub call)? |
| 06:31.23 | Bangerz | http://ace.pastey.net/92746 |
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| 06:32.13 | Aiiane | well first of all, don't set up your DB from the main chunk |
| 06:32.21 | Aiiane | do it from OnInitialize |
| 06:32.28 | Aiiane | or later |
| 06:32.47 | Bangerz | ok |
| 06:33.19 | Dashkal | Aiiane: you have got to find a way to get your client to strip color codes when copy/pasting :p |
| 06:33.33 | Aiiane | But its fun to drive you nuts, Dashkal |
| 06:33.48 | Dashkal | uh huh, at least I learned to hilight your pastes :p |
| 06:33.56 | Aiiane | besides, I'm not sure it has one :/ |
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| 06:34.58 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 06:35.08 | Bangerz | well thats back to how I had it originally, but still the same problem |
| 06:35.09 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar 073.0 * r79469 10Prat/services/ (classgenderfix.lua print.lua): |
| 06:35.09 | CIA-45 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
| 06:35.10 | CIA-45 | Fixed a couple bugs with the chatgender fix, and a typo in the print service |
| 06:35.32 | Aiiane | sec, let me test something Bangerz |
| 06:35.32 | Arrowmaster | Bangerz: is it erroring on load? |
| 06:35.46 | Groktar | so our new BM hunter recruit |
| 06:35.52 | Groktar | 900dps on brut |
| 06:35.56 | Aiiane | ...lolwut |
| 06:35.57 | Groktar | 650 on felmyst |
| 06:36.01 | raegx | ? |
| 06:36.01 | Bangerz | yes, it says theres no method with that name on load |
| 06:36.02 | Neya | wtf |
| 06:36.04 | raegx | mighty low....... |
| 06:36.17 | Groktar | and he also died to cropdust TWICE |
| 06:36.21 | Groktar | that i know for sure |
| 06:36.25 | raegx | anyone mind if i spam w/ some code for comment? |
| 06:36.33 | Aiiane | pastey it, raegx. |
| 06:36.37 | Groktar | how many lines? |
| 06:36.41 | raegx | maybe 8 |
| 06:36.43 | Groktar | less than 3 i say go for it |
| 06:36.45 | Groktar | o |
| 06:36.47 | Groktar | too much |
| 06:36.48 | Aiiane | pastey it. |
| 06:36.57 | raegx | 6 |
| 06:37.05 | raegx | i cut it down by 1 line |
| 06:37.29 | raegx | it takes any local time stamp (time() ) and returns a server epoch time stamp |
| 06:37.33 | Arrowmaster | Bangerz: something seems really wrong then since what you pastey'd only shows it being used in a function and not the main chunk |
| 06:37.40 | Groktar | you can't just get rid of all the line returns and make it one line like in c, can you? |
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| 06:38.17 | Aiiane | you can, via semicolons |
| 06:38.21 | Aiiane | but that makes it really annoying to read |
| 06:38.28 | Groktar | hehe |
| 06:38.29 | Aiiane | just pastey it. |
| 06:38.32 | Aiiane | takes literally 3 seconds. |
| 06:38.37 | Aiiane | ace.pastey.net |
| 06:38.40 | Arrowmaster | dont need semicolons in lua |
| 06:38.55 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: if you're throwing a bunch of stuff on one line? |
| 06:39.01 | raegx | I <3 semicolons |
| 06:39.06 | Groktar | becomes giddy with anticipation at the thought of raegx's code |
| 06:39.21 | raegx | i put it in channel a while back |
| 06:39.23 | raegx | but no one commented |
| 06:39.23 | Bangerz | Arrowmaster: its not the slashHandler erroring on load, thats only when I use the slash command. Its another function to create frames |
| 06:39.31 | raegx | like hours ago |
| 06:39.33 | raegx | before my raid |
| 06:39.48 | Aiiane | you know |
| 06:39.53 | Aiiane | you could have pastey'd it by now |
| 06:39.54 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: yeah you dont need semicolons even when throwing a bunch of stuff on one line |
| 06:39.56 | raegx | function convertLocalTime( localTimeStamp ) |
| 06:39.56 | raegx | local serverHour, serverMinute = GetGameTime(); |
| 06:39.56 | raegx | return localTimeStamp +((serverHour - tonumber(date( "%H", time()))) * 3600); |
| 06:39.56 | raegx | end; |
| 06:40.00 | raegx | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawr |
| 06:40.04 | raegx | semicolons!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:40.22 | cncfanatics | raegx: www.pastey.net |
| 06:40.26 | Aiiane | lua> a = 2 b = 3 return a |
| 06:40.26 | lua_bot | Aiiane: 2 |
| 06:40.28 | Aiiane | fun |
| 06:40.38 | Groktar | cncfanatics |
| 06:40.41 | Arrowmaster | raegx: flawed |
| 06:40.50 | Groktar | i used the grid quick health today |
| 06:40.53 | Groktar | it's pretty pro |
| 06:40.55 | cncfanatics | yes Groktar ? |
| 06:40.57 | cncfanatics | ty :) |
| 06:41.06 | cncfanatics | where did you use it, for the record ? |
| 06:41.09 | raegx | @arrow how so, I honestly didn't test it much |
| 06:41.10 | cncfanatics | its more noticable in some places then others |
| 06:41.13 | Groktar | especially when it shows the person at zero hp before it updates as dead |
| 06:41.19 | Groktar | first 3 bosses sunwell |
| 06:41.34 | Aiiane | otoh Arrowmaster |
| 06:41.39 | Groktar | i mostly noticed it when we were failing at sentinels a couple times |
| 06:41.41 | Bangerz | I used it on M'uru and ended up with 5+ seconds delay on HP lol :/ Time for a new PC? |
| 06:41.42 | Aiiane | all one line WITHOUT semicolons is even worse |
| 06:41.50 | Aiiane | for readability |
| 06:41.55 | Groktar | lies! |
| 06:42.14 | Groktar | always removes all line returns from his code before submitting |
| 06:42.35 | cncfanatics | Bangerz: you shouldn't be able to end with more delay then the regular blizz updates (0.3 secs) |
| 06:42.44 | cncfanatics | as it listens to those too |
| 06:42.50 | Arrowmaster | raegx: unless your local time is exactly synced with the server time then there are times that one will be on a different day than the other so your time is going to be really screwed up |
| 06:42.51 | cncfanatics | with what unitframes was that Bangerz ? |
| 06:43.28 | Bangerz | Running Xperl, but using Healbot to heal |
| 06:43.39 | Aiiane | Bangerz - all of your addon code in one file? |
| 06:43.43 | cncfanatics | healbot doesn't use quickhealth, Bangerz |
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| 06:44.11 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79470 10GatherMate_CartImport/ (GatherMate_CartImport.lua GatherMate_CartImport.toc): GatherMate_CartImport: added ruRU localization |
| 06:44.15 | raegx | @arrow: Are you telling me that servers, report server times that are not minute sync'ed w/ the real world? I find that hard to believe |
| 06:44.27 | Aiiane | define 'the real world' |
| 06:44.28 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:44.35 | cncfanatics | Bangerz: and it if was xperl, I'd appreciate if you could find a way to reproduce it somewhere solo |
| 06:44.36 | Arrowmaster | my server time is always 1 minute off |
| 06:44.37 | raegx | @arrow also they only have to be withing 1 hour |
| 06:44.44 | Fisker- | cncfanatics |
| 06:44.48 | Fisker- | betaing yet? |
| 06:44.56 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: nop :( |
| 06:45.01 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 06:45.07 | Fisker- | i'm almost level 77 with my death knight |
| 06:45.11 | raegx | @arrow can you give me an example because I don't follow/don't want to believe |
| 06:45.15 | cncfanatics | I'm not planning to level :p |
| 06:45.15 | Aiiane | raegx: If it's 11:59 here, and 12:01 on the server |
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| 06:45.19 | Aiiane | what's the time difference? |
| 06:45.34 | raegx | @arrow is that what the clock on the bottom of your mini map says? also that wouldn't matter |
| 06:45.36 | cncfanatics | 2 minutes or 23 hours 58 minutes :) |
| 06:45.37 | Aiiane | Is it 2 minutes, or 23 hours and 58 minutes? |
| 06:45.43 | raegx | @arrow oh wait |
| 06:45.47 | Bangerz | I suspect it was something to do with everyone being damaged at once in an already laggy room + extra processing |
| 06:45.50 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a clock on my minimap |
| 06:46.00 | raegx | @arrow ? Its new in last patch |
| 06:46.00 | Aiiane | details, details Arrowmaster |
| 06:46.08 | Arrowmaster | i use clockfu |
| 06:46.09 | cncfanatics | Bangerz: was it xperl or healbot lagging behind ? or both ? |
| 06:46.15 | Bangerz | Both |
| 06:46.21 | cncfanatics | well, healbot doesn't use quickhealth |
| 06:46.27 | raegx | @arrow ah yea i see mine is 3 minutes faster than the realm time |
| 06:46.28 | cncfanatics | so its most likely not related to it |
| 06:46.42 | Groktar | does aguf have a quickhealth mod yet? |
| 06:46.49 | Aiiane | so raegx |
| 06:46.52 | Groktar | i didn't notice it jumping around |
| 06:46.53 | Aiiane | when it's 12:01 your time |
| 06:46.56 | raegx | @arrow border case |
| 06:46.57 | Aiiane | while time is it server time |
| 06:46.58 | cncfanatics | Groktar: I don't think it does |
| 06:47.12 | raegx | @arrow god damn them for polling my computers local time |
| 06:47.17 | Groktar | not like i ever look at those frames when i heal, anyway |
| 06:47.24 | cncfanatics | Groktar: did you manage to save anyone that was technicly already dead ? |
| 06:47.29 | Groktar | nope |
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| 06:47.35 | cncfanatics | its possible, in theory |
| 06:47.39 | Arrowmaster | border case that will always happen, which is why i suggested calcing the offset onload and using the stored result |
| 06:47.47 | Groktar | people were playing so bad tonight |
| 06:47.52 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 06:47.55 | Arrowmaster | since that will only happen if you login during that border time |
| 06:47.57 | Groktar | dps, healers, everyone |
| 06:48.04 | Groktar | we enraged felmyst TWICE |
| 06:48.05 | cncfanatics | WTB raiding |
| 06:48.05 | Aiiane | actually Arrowmaster |
| 06:48.09 | cncfanatics | my guild starts raiding in sept :( |
| 06:48.14 | Aiiane | calculate it every 10 minutes |
| 06:48.19 | raegx | yea you could store it and it would work. But you still have to check for hte border case |
| 06:48.19 | cncfanatics | I'm just gathering badge stuff & preparing atm |
| 06:48.21 | Groktar | the highest i had ever seen him on landing was 2% |
| 06:48.25 | Aiiane | and take the two that agree out of the last 3 |
| 06:48.28 | Groktar | we had a 9% landing today |
| 06:48.29 | Groktar | oO |
| 06:48.36 | Groktar | and then encapsulate healers were failing |
| 06:48.38 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: if you want to go that far theres much better ways |
| 06:48.42 | raegx | well honestly you could take the delta of the minutes to find/check for it |
| 06:48.46 | Arrowmaster | you can calc the server time to the second |
| 06:48.48 | cncfanatics | Groktar: time to go back to BT :p |
| 06:48.59 | Groktar | as a priest, i'm just supposed to spam coh on the encaps person, and shamans heal the group |
| 06:49.02 | Bangerz | Aiiane: sending it to you |
| 06:49.13 | Aiiane | Bangerz, it probably won't work to do that |
| 06:49.18 | Bangerz | ic |
| 06:49.34 | Groktar | and then the resto druid is supposed to throw them some regrowths |
| 06:49.43 | Groktar | like 4 times the encaps person died |
| 06:49.49 | Groktar | with me spamming my coh |
| 06:50.00 | Groktar | could see in combat log that half the time my first coh landed before the first tick |
| 06:50.04 | Groktar | :/ |
| 06:50.05 | Aiiane | but if it's just 46k, Bangerz |
| 06:50.09 | Aiiane | you can just pastey the entire thing |
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| 06:50.15 | raegx | hehe when i heal encaps i do 2 coh on the encap'ed person and then i heal the ppl running w/ coh |
| 06:50.39 | Groktar | ya, point is the encaps person kept dying |
| 06:50.48 | raegx | what are your tank healers doing? |
| 06:50.55 | raegx | tank stops taking damage.... |
| 06:51.01 | Groktar | since when? |
| 06:51.03 | raegx | always? |
| 06:51.07 | Laric | anyone got a good example on how to use ColorSelect? (not using any framework) |
| 06:51.08 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get |
| 06:51.18 | Groktar | he targets the encaps person for a second, they get debuff, and he turns back to tank |
| 06:51.19 | raegx | during encap's felmyst doesn't hit the tank |
| 06:51.31 | Groktar | so shittons of failure going on |
| 06:51.37 | cncfanatics | Oo |
| 06:51.44 | raegx | your tank should tell you that.... |
| 06:51.47 | raegx | she just stands there |
| 06:51.53 | Groktar | i don't really pay attention |
| 06:51.59 | Groktar | i did my job |
| 06:52.02 | raegx | lol |
| 06:52.03 | Groktar | other people need to not fail |
| 06:52.06 | raegx | well something for next time |
| 06:52.25 | Groktar | like if i can get 4 coh on the person before they die |
| 06:52.37 | Groktar | someone else should EASILY be able to land a heal |
| 06:52.49 | raegx | all healers should send their first heal to the encap person |
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| 06:52.55 | Groktar | oh well, shitty night |
| 06:52.59 | Aiiane | mhm... that's at least 6 seconds worth of GCDs, haste not accounted for |
| 06:53.03 | raegx | priests 2 coh, shamans 1 chain: pallies and druids stay on encap person |
| 06:53.17 | Groktar | usually the shaman pick a random person in the group to chain |
| 06:53.36 | raegx | yea that is a possibility |
| 06:53.36 | Bangerz | oh another thing? You know how there used to be those Mana Conserve mods before /spellstopcasting was nerfed in mods. Well I made a new one that works now, using the whole 'swap a libram = cancel spell with no gcd' thing. But, I dont know if I should upload it because I dont want EquipItem to be nerfed :/ |
| 06:53.57 | Bangerz | What do you guys think |
| 06:54.10 | cncfanatics | Bangerz: that got included in the default UI |
| 06:54.18 | Aiiane | I think make it use libquickhealth :P |
| 06:54.22 | cncfanatics | you no longer need a mob to do stopcasting for you |
| 06:54.31 | Bangerz | heh I mean auto-stopcasting |
| 06:54.36 | Bangerz | to prevent autoheal |
| 06:54.39 | Bangerz | overheal |
| 06:54.42 | Aiiane | cncfanatics - I think he means that a mod can swap librams with no hard action |
| 06:54.43 | cncfanatics | oh |
| 06:54.51 | Aiiane | and thus has access to /stopcasting outside secure |
| 06:54.57 | Bangerz | ^ |
| 06:54.59 | Aiiane | or the equivalent thereof |
| 06:55.15 | cncfanatics | well, technicly, its an abuse |
| 06:55.23 | cncfanatics | and if uploaded they'll prolly nerf it in wotlk |
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| 06:55.54 | Bangerz | Yeah :/ but if they nerf it by making swaps not cancel spells then my other mod works again :P |
| 06:56.00 | Groktar | hehe |
| 06:56.10 | Aiiane | they'd probably more likely nerf it by giving libram swapping a GCD |
| 06:56.16 | Groktar | the whole swaps cancelling spells is sooo annoying |
| 06:56.31 | cncfanatics | Groktar: they don't want you to swap, so don't :p |
| 06:56.32 | Groktar | i used to put on bt neck, clicky, and then take it off |
| 06:56.33 | Arrowmaster | no they would probably nerf it by making EquipItem secure |
| 06:56.37 | Bangerz | ^ |
| 06:56.40 | Bangerz | then ClosetGnome dies :( |
| 06:56.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:56.46 | cncfanatics | no |
| 06:56.47 | Bangerz | no? |
| 06:56.50 | Aiiane | secure is fine out of combat |
| 06:56.52 | Groktar | and now i get interrupted and i have to wait 30 seconds for the cd again |
| 06:57.08 | cncfanatics | Bangerz: its more innervator & all that stuff that dies |
| 06:57.37 | cncfanatics | which is equaly anoying for me :p |
| 06:57.49 | Aiiane | suck it, druids >.> |
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| 06:57.53 | Aiiane | i mean |
| 06:57.55 | Bangerz | lol |
| 06:57.57 | Aiiane | coughs |
| 06:58.00 | cncfanatics | Aiiane: YOU get innervates too |
| 06:58.04 | Diao | lol |
| 06:58.08 | Diao | i don't! |
| 06:58.10 | Bangerz | It's okay, I dont :p |
| 06:58.12 | Aiiane | moi? |
| 06:58.23 | Arrowmaster | they could maybe make it so you cant swap items while casting |
| 06:58.26 | Bangerz | Innervated paladin! 300 mana inc |
| 06:58.40 | Arrowmaster | ive been innervated on my warlock before |
| 06:58.48 | Aiiane | lol, Arrowmaster |
| 06:58.49 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: sure it wasn't a mistake ? :p |
| 06:58.50 | Arrowmaster | i loled |
| 06:58.50 | Aiiane | sad thing is |
| 06:58.52 | cncfanatics | I rly hope it was |
| 06:58.54 | Aiiane | come expansion... |
| 06:58.59 | Arrowmaster | i was oom in a battleground |
| 06:59.02 | Aiiane | that wont be as much of a joke anymore |
| 06:59.03 | Arrowmaster | and some druid innervated me |
| 06:59.15 | Aiiane | i was doing a 5man on my warlock |
| 06:59.21 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: fail :s |
| 06:59.23 | Aiiane | druid didnt need their innervate |
| 06:59.27 | cncfanatics | he shld hot you and let you tap :p |
| 06:59.27 | Aiiane | so they asked me if i wanted it |
| 06:59.32 | Aiiane | i said no |
| 06:59.37 | Aiiane | so he asked the tank(adin) if they wanted it |
| 06:59.40 | Aiiane | they said no |
| 06:59.48 | Aiiane | so they asked the hunter if they wanted it |
| 06:59.51 | Bangerz | lol |
| 06:59.56 | Bangerz | hunter loot? |
| 07:00.00 | Aiiane | hunter said "why the hell not", since the last person in the group was a rogue |
| 07:00.28 | Aiiane | so we ended up innervating our hunter throughout the run, for shits and giggles |
| 07:00.38 | cncfanatics | anyway, brb |
| 07:00.45 | cncfanatics | gonna use pidgin instead of this crap web client |
| 07:00.46 | Diao | o_O |
| 07:01.00 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79471 10GatherMate_Sharing/ (GatherMate_Sharing.toc Locales/GatherMate_Sharing-ruRU.lua): GatherMate_Sharing: added ruRU localization |
| 07:01.17 | Bangerz | wow this is annoying! This mod is set up just like my others but none of the functions can be called :/ |
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| 07:01.47 | Arrowmaster | you problaby have some syntax error somewhere |
| 07:01.51 | Aiiane | Bangerz, just pastey the entire thing :P |
| 07:02.01 | Arrowmaster | and pidgin is just as bad as a crap web client |
| 07:02.42 | Aiiane | irssi! :) |
| 07:02.55 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 07:03.02 | Aiiane | it's what i use at work |
| 07:03.14 | Arrowmaster | if only it had a good gui version i would use it all the time |
| 07:03.21 | Diao | isn't irssi linux only o_O |
| 07:03.25 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:03.39 | Aiiane | no, although that's not an issue for me anyways since i use it on a shell account |
| 07:03.52 | Arrowmaster | i dont think theres much of anything at all thats 'linux only' |
| 07:03.54 | Diao | oh |
| 07:04.07 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: hmm, have they ported ALSA to windows? :P |
| 07:04.11 | cncfanatics | well, I'm at work |
| 07:04.14 | Diao | well i meant non-cygwin :p |
| 07:04.15 | cncfanatics | and I'm done tomorrow |
| 07:04.16 | cncfanatics | so cba |
| 07:04.30 | Aiiane | "done"? |
| 07:06.41 | Aiiane | tickets for blizzcon being $100 = sadface |
| 07:07.25 | cncfanatics | Aiiane: tickets for blizzcon + airplane ticket being 400$ = :( |
| 07:07.43 | Aiiane | Yeah well... Anaheim is about a half hour drive from me |
| 07:08.02 | Aiiane | so it'd actually be feasible for me, if the ticket prices weren't so crazy |
| 07:08.34 | cncfanatics | I'd love to go, but, can't afford 400$ atm rly :op |
| 07:11.14 | Bangerz | Blizzcon not being in the country = palmface |
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| 07:12.23 | Bibi | not going to the Blizzcon because I've got a site to update = palmface. |
| 07:14.19 | Groktar | hmm |
| 07:14.34 | Groktar | i just logged in to see that hunter with the 800dps is no longer in the guild |
| 07:14.35 | Groktar | hehe |
| 07:15.17 | Bangerz | Aiiane: http://ace.pastey.net/92753-2s0a is the whole thing |
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| 07:18.22 | Aiiane | BangPVPaladin = CreateFrame("frame") ? |
| 07:18.33 | Kep | why are you overwriting your aceaddon-table? |
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| 07:20.18 | Aiiane | and why are you overwriting self? o.o |
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| 07:22.07 | Arrowmaster | yeah that would probably be why its completely borken |
| 07:22.48 | Kep | overwriting self shouldn't be the problem (atleast if it was local), but overwriting the AceAddon table = bad xD |
| 07:23.20 | Bangerz | ...how did I not see that |
| 07:23.40 | Arrowmaster | also your indenting sucks |
| 07:23.53 | Bangerz | oi oi, lets not get personal here! :p |
| 07:24.09 | Bangerz | we all know Bangerz is a newb |
| 07:24.10 | Arrowmaster | it does suck |
| 07:24.24 | Arrowmaster | and its easyer to debug with good indenting |
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| 07:25.23 | Kep | I didn't actually see the self = BangPVPaladin was inside the OnInitialize func until now, because its not indented ^.^ |
| 07:26.22 | Arrowmaster | theres two 'self = BangPVPaladin' |
| 07:26.30 | Arrowmaster | one inside the OnInit and one before it |
| 07:26.54 | Arrowmaster | wtf is with 213-240? |
| 07:27.24 | Bangerz | it simulates events |
| 07:27.36 | Bangerz | so I dont need someone to sit there an purge/cyclone me to test |
| 07:27.44 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 07:28.56 | Kep | function BangPVPaladin:slashHandler(input) |
| 07:28.57 | Kep | local self = BangPVPaladin |
| 07:29.00 | Arrowmaster | oh and all your events arent going to work |
| 07:29.06 | Kep | you can just remove that self stuff inside your funcs ^.^ |
| 07:29.09 | Arrowmaster | since the args are all wrong |
| 07:29.27 | Arrowmaster | first arg is event |
| 07:29.35 | Arrowmaster | with AceEvent-3.0 |
| 07:29.55 | Bangerz | yeah i moved a whole lot of non ace things I wrote into ace, hence the jumble |
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| 07:30.19 | Arrowmaster | although by that time in the code youve already replaced BangPVPaladin with CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 07:30.44 | Aiiane | is it giving you more easily dealt with errors now Bangerz? |
| 07:31.06 | Arrowmaster | enjoying being raked over the flaming coals? |
| 07:31.32 | Aiiane | gets the lighter fluid >:) |
| 07:31.49 | Arrowmaster | BangPVPaladin.frame.text:SetText(string.format("%d", left)) |
| 07:31.58 | Arrowmaster | we have :SetFormatedText() now |
| 07:32.13 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar * r79472 10Prat_Signon/Prat_Signon.lua: |
| 07:32.14 | CIA-45 | Prat_Signon: |
| 07:32.14 | CIA-45 | - Remove categories to fix an error |
| 07:32.23 | Bangerz | Hey I dont claim to be good at this :P flame away and I shall feed on your pearls of wisdom |
| 07:32.30 | Bangerz | nomnom |
| 07:32.35 | Aiiane | pearls tend to be on the crunchy side |
| 07:34.01 | Aiiane | you didnt answer my question though Bangerz :P |
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| 07:34.42 | Bangerz | Yes I am getting errors I can fix now, thankyou team :p |
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| 07:40.10 | CIA-45 | makerocketgonow: 03Tekkub 07master * r7fc32fd 10/ MakeRocketGoNow.lua : Murr... forgot to register for all clicks |
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| 08:00.03 | Orionshock | anyone know if the wowi beta keys have gone out from blizzard? |
| 08:00.30 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: noone got any afaik |
| 08:00.33 | cncfanatics | so I'd guess not |
| 08:00.50 | ktwo | but some are playing? |
| 08:00.55 | ktwo | maybe only US |
| 08:01.11 | Lyn_ | ktwo, these are from wwi i think |
| 08:01.18 | ktwo | ah ok |
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| 08:25.03 | jy__ | is there a svn with wotlk specific addons yet ? |
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| 08:25.21 | Aiiane | No, nor is there likely to be. |
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| 08:26.53 | jy__ | i'll try normal addons then |
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| 08:27.50 | sb | morning |
| 08:27.58 | Aiiane | wowinterface has a section for addons that have been tested for beta |
| 08:28.03 | Aiiane | but that's about it for now |
| 08:28.34 | Kuosi | dont think those are listed specifically anywhere |
| 08:28.38 | profalbert | the beta-version of agUF only shows an empty frame w/o any function |
| 08:29.30 | Aiiane | well, if you're talking about the one on wowi that wasn't uploaded by the main author anyways |
| 08:30.13 | profalbert | i know |
| 08:30.24 | profalbert | pitbull does kind of work though |
| 08:31.18 | jaxdahl | northrend world server restarts constantly |
| 08:31.19 | Aiiane | anywho, g'night :) |
| 08:31.58 | jy__ | i'm just leveling DK |
| 08:32.07 | jy__ | i love this class |
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| 08:33.00 | jy__ | pitbull works nearly but bartender4 fail :p |
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| 08:33.54 | profalbert | all barmods fail |
| 08:34.21 | profalbert | because of this new secure template stuff |
| 08:34.48 | jy__ | if i get the courage i would make a mod to have a better display of runes |
| 08:36.06 | Orionshock | jy__: check the beta forums, those are all over the place |
| 08:36.31 | jy__ | ok thanks :) |
| 08:36.40 | profalbert | in beta, the UI-scaling is saved on the server now, right? |
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| 08:37.27 | cncfanatics | profalbert: think so |
| 08:37.35 | Orionshock | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=9043419&sid=2000 |
| 08:37.38 | profalbert | it keeps reseting mine... |
| 08:40.58 | Lanerra | Just for the record, if anyone has a beta key they don't want, I'm willing to bite the bullet and ease them of their burden. I'm willing to do that for you :D |
| 08:41.09 | cncfanatics | omg Lanerra |
| 08:41.12 | cncfanatics | how generous of you |
| 08:41.18 | Lanerra | I know, huh?! XD |
| 08:41.19 | Orionshock | Lanerra: lol |
| 08:42.05 | Lanerra | No, but seriously, if someone has a spare key or something, I'd love to be able to see a Blizzard beta firsthand |
| 08:43.13 | Orionshock | Lanerra: write some mods, get a spot :D |
| 08:43.20 | cncfanatics | Lanerra: most people in this chan are still waiting for their keys, so i doubt it :p |
| 08:43.37 | yoshimo | were all waiting for the authorkeys :P |
| 08:44.46 | Lanerra | I'd love to do that, Orion, but sadly I don't know enough about programming yet to write one. And I don't want to throw up some half-assed addon just to get a key. I might cheat someone else of a potential key, and I'm not too keen on 'cheating' as it were |
| 08:45.11 | cncfanatics | there is no such thing as a limited amount of keys |
| 08:45.18 | cncfanatics | get writing, there's no risk you cheat someone off one |
| 08:45.22 | Neya | heh, you should've seen the first few addons I wrote then Lanerra... |
| 08:45.55 | Orionshock | Lanerra: my 4 addons at wowi, where all done with a very very noobish knowledge of lua/programing in general... it's just a matter of finding a nitch.. |
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| 08:47.29 | FinalX | should start as well |
| 08:47.48 | Lanerra | You want an idea of the basic sort of stuff I can do? http://www.pastey.net/92758-2r77 |
| 08:47.48 | Orionshock | Lanerra: http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=33841 |
| 08:48.17 | Kuosi | any mage pve pro here? |
| 08:48.19 | Lanerra | Putting coordinates in the top left of the minimap is a bit...lame |
| 08:48.27 | Neya | it's a start. |
| 08:48.35 | Orionshock | ^^ first thing i said |
| 08:49.06 | Orionshock | find something simple you want |
| 08:49.46 | Lyn_ | Orionshock, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8992-TargetRaidIcon-Demo.html < does this really work? |
| 08:50.22 | Lyn_ | even if, when i am running the mod, one of my guildies set it? :o |
| 08:50.38 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: fail for cycling between targets |
| 08:50.39 | Arrowmaster | read the description |
| 08:51.01 | Lyn_ | i did |
| 08:51.09 | Lyn_ | Bu I ask anyway :p |
| 08:51.11 | Orionshock | Lyn_: it's got a limited useage |
| 08:51.14 | cncfanatics | the targetting function is procected I supose ? |
| 08:51.25 | cncfanatics | s/proc/prot/ |
| 08:51.33 | Orionshock | but the catch really is that ppl need to be targeting the mob as you enter combat |
| 08:51.40 | Orionshock | for max effect |
| 08:51.43 | Ellipsis | ping profalbert |
| 08:51.46 | Lanerra | I used to have a Combat Log organizer, but all that did was reword the structuring of Combat Log output that the player sees. I mean, it's remarkably simple |
| 08:51.50 | profalbert | Ellipsis: pong |
| 08:51.51 | CIA-45 | 03nwkegan * r79473 10StunWatch/ (. SWcore.lua StunWatch.toc): |
| 08:51.51 | CIA-45 | StunWatch: initial upload |
| 08:51.51 | CIA-45 | - Tracks most Rogue stuns and debuffs on your target or focus. |
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| 08:52.03 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
| 08:52.09 | Ellipsis | profalbert: do you want developer rank on the Parrot jira so you can close those tickets yourself? |
| 08:52.14 | Ellipsis | licks Zhinjio |
| 08:52.19 | Zhinjio | :expands his programming playlist a bit more. |
| 08:52.29 | profalbert | Ellipsis: that would be nice |
| 08:52.37 | Orionshock | cncfanatics: yes it is protected |
| 08:53.29 | Ellipsis | profalbert: done :) |
| 08:53.34 | profalbert | thanks |
| 08:54.13 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck are these new people commiting new addons to the svn |
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| 08:54.21 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: OMG FREE KEYZ |
| 08:54.28 | Arrowmaster | not on wowace |
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| 08:54.34 | Orionshock | ^^ |
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| 08:54.56 | Orionshock | arrow ppl that can do it better |
| 08:55.08 | Arrowmaster | where the fuck is our lockdown on new directories in trunk |
| 08:55.27 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: why shld they be disallowed to upload new addons? |
| 08:55.47 | Arrowmaster | because the svn is shutting down |
| 08:55.53 | Arrowmaster | and better alternatives already exist |
| 08:55.57 | Orionshock | imo, all new addons have to appear in branches, then reviewed by IRC randoms for a week untill we like you, then you get your folder in the trunk |
| 08:56.17 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 08:56.30 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: for the record |
| 08:56.41 | cncfanatics | will we be able to access the svn on a readonly fashion when the changes occure ? |
| 08:56.50 | cncfanatics | as to access our old data |
| 08:56.52 | Arrowmaster | this svn? no |
| 08:57.00 | Arrowmaster | it will all me moved afaik |
| 08:57.47 | cncfanatics | aah, no prob then |
| 08:57.49 | reqol | Arrowmaster: didn't mean to offend you |
| 08:58.02 | cncfanatics | reqol: dont' worry, he's very hard to offend |
| 08:58.10 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:58.25 | Arrowmaster | reqol: your nwkegan? |
| 08:58.34 | reqol | aye |
| 08:58.57 | Arrowmaster | well atleast i think ive seen your name around here a little while |
| 08:59.20 | Arrowmaster | better than the guy earlyer tonight that was really fucking shit up |
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| 08:59.29 | cncfanatics | who ? :o and what did he do ? |
| 08:59.44 | Orionshock | the one who commited most of ace3 with his addon? |
| 08:59.52 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:00.01 | Arrowmaster | and then kept commiting ziplist.wau |
| 09:00.08 | Vulcanus | XD |
| 09:00.16 | reqol | new to the SVN, but I'm trying to follow these instructions to the letter |
| 09:00.17 | cncfanatics | thats liek, GET ON IRC IDIOT |
| 09:00.21 | Arrowmaster | all with commit messages of 'addonname' |
| 09:00.35 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: noone beats alar though |
| 09:00.41 | cncfanatics | most shit coding I've ever seen |
| 09:01.07 | reqol | you obviously haven't looked at anything I've written |
| 09:01.19 | Orionshock | reqol: you obviously haven't seen alar |
| 09:01.27 | reqol | Orionshock: touche |
| 09:01.33 | cncfanatics | reqol: he's right |
| 09:01.51 | Orionshock | i know a fraction of what Arrowmaster master knows, and im not as bad as alar |
| 09:01.54 | Arrowmaster | http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/trunk/RepWatch/ |
| 09:02.10 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: alar knows nothing :p |
| 09:02.13 | Arrowmaster | fucking hate fish |
| 09:02.18 | Arrowmaster | slow ass pos |
| 09:02.47 | cncfanatics | what does ziplist.wau do ? |
| 09:03.18 | Arrowmaster | apparently WAU uses it somehow for remembering what was in the old zip |
| 09:03.22 | Arrowmaster | or something |
| 09:03.32 | cncfanatics | so, that file wld bug WAU ? :p |
| 09:03.34 | Arrowmaster | but its automaticly created |
| 09:03.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 09:03.44 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 09:04.08 | Arrowmaster | sylv got angry when he first commited it but was slow on the delete |
| 09:04.14 | Orionshock | ziplist.wau indexes the file to unpack and repack it |
| 09:04.39 | Arrowmaster | rolf |
| 09:04.43 | Arrowmaster | look at the externals |
| 09:04.46 | Arrowmaster | i never noticed that |
| 09:05.16 | Arrowmaster | svn:externals = libs/ http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/ |
| 09:05.34 | SylBot | ziplist bsically lets you keep your addonfolders clean without having to use delete on install |
| 09:05.36 | Industri1l | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.45 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.46 | Industri1l | wtb lib tags and externals to tags. |
| 09:06.24 | Industri1l | Arrowmaster: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/tags/Ace3/Beta/ go go! |
| 09:06.53 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 09:07.00 | cncfanatics | Industri1l: thats not rly the prob |
| 09:07.10 | Industri1l | its my prob |
| 09:07.11 | cncfanatics | the prob is that you don't want to have the whole of ace3 as externals |
| 09:07.20 | reqol | alright, so I imported my files and set up the externals, now I commit? |
| 09:07.45 | Arrowmaster | you mean checked out? |
| 09:08.03 | Arrowmaster | you cant setup externals on an inital checkin without magic i dont think |
| 09:08.29 | reqol | I've done everything listed here: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_For_Beginners in order, until the last step |
| 09:09.14 | Arrowmaster | i guess |
| 09:11.01 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 09:11.11 | reqol | >_>, I'm trying my best not to screw up here |
| 09:11.18 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: that repos still has empty dirs for each ace3 lib in its libs folder |
| 09:11.21 | Arrowmaster | i never use tsvn |
| 09:11.28 | cncfanatics | reqol: don't worry, if you do we'll tell you |
| 09:11.34 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: wtf how? he deleted it i thought |
| 09:11.37 | cncfanatics | you're on irc, so all good :) |
| 09:11.42 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: empty directories remain |
| 09:11.46 | cncfanatics | just the files have been deleted |
| 09:11.50 | Xuerian | Alright, what world are we playing Ikariam on? |
| 09:11.51 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 09:12.06 | Orionshock | reqol: do yourself the favor and just use curseforge |
| 09:12.10 | Orionshock | seriously.. |
| 09:12.11 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: that guy might be worse then a'lar after all |
| 09:12.19 | cncfanatics | reqol: I have to agree with orionshock there |
| 09:12.31 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: i dont see a libs dir |
| 09:13.21 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: it seems to be there on fish |
| 09:13.23 | cncfanatics | didn't check the actual svn |
| 09:13.28 | cncfanatics | but on fish there's tons of empty dirs |
| 09:13.31 | Arrowmaster | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/RepWatch/ |
| 09:13.37 | Arrowmaster | fish is stupid |
| 09:13.45 | Orionshock | alot of projects are deeply rooted here like BigWigs, Omen, ... Ace*... , GatherMate, Bartender, Libs galore. but for new projects ... head over to curseforge cuz this place is getting revamped soon |
| 09:13.50 | reqol | well, should I finish what I'm doing now? seems like leaving it half-finished is a bad idea |
| 09:14.03 | Orionshock | and adding more addons to the svn is just going to make the proccess of conversion that much longer. |
| 09:14.06 | cncfanatics | reqol: I'd suggest deleting here personaly, and using curseforge indeed |
| 09:14.41 | Orionshock | reqol: one of the biggest tools here at wowace, isn't the svn it's the IRC |
| 09:14.42 | reqol | alright, how do I delete it from the SVN? |
| 09:14.50 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder how many people would shit a brick if cia started reporting curseforge commits in here |
| 09:14.52 | Orionshock | useing tsvn? |
| 09:15.01 | reqol | Orionshock: aye |
| 09:15.15 | Orionshock | open the repo browser, and delete it |
| 09:16.05 | CIA-45 | 03nwkegan * r79474 10StunWatch/: |
| 09:16.05 | CIA-45 | StunWatch: |
| 09:16.05 | CIA-45 | - Deleted |
| 09:16.13 | reqol | there |
| 09:16.31 | Arrowmaster | shall i start preaching about the greatness of git before you make an svn repo on curseforge? |
| 09:16.37 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 09:16.38 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: case in point, does curseforge have a CIA bot? |
| 09:16.39 | cncfanatics | yes please Arrowmaster :p |
| 09:16.44 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: yes |
| 09:16.46 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: yes |
| 09:16.48 | Orionshock | where? |
| 09:16.52 | Arrowmaster | in curseforge |
| 09:16.53 | cncfanatics | it reports on #curseforge |
| 09:17.02 | Arrowmaster | 03:54:51a (CIA-58) orionshock * r51 [wow] guildcraft /DBO.lua: GuildCraft: fix glitch in offline check not picking up special chars in the name... |
| 09:17.06 | SylBot | I could make SF comments come here |
| 09:17.07 | cncfanatics | CIA-58:orionshock * r51 [wow] guildcraft /DBO.lua: GuildCraft: fix glitch in offline check not picking up special chars in the name... |
| 09:17.08 | Arrowmaster | last annouce |
| 09:17.20 | Orionshock | oh shit, creepy |
| 09:17.22 | Orionshock | >.> |
| 09:17.24 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 09:17.33 | Orionshock | didn't think anyone saw those... |
| 09:17.38 | Arrowmaster | you can turn it off per project i think |
| 09:17.39 | reqol | Arrowmaster: be my guest |
| 09:17.53 | cncfanatics | reqol: I'll link you something useful for git, sec |
| 09:17.57 | Arrowmaster | reqol: not really in the mood though |
| 09:18.07 | Arrowmaster | but its better than svn! |
| 09:18.25 | profalbert | the google-talk by linux torvalds is great |
| 09:18.30 | Arrowmaster | but probably harder to use than somebody new with both.... |
| 09:18.37 | cncfanatics | reqol: http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet-medium.png |
| 09:18.55 | Arrowmaster | thats a cheatsheet? |
| 09:19.52 | cncfanatics | says in the name :p |
| 09:20.06 | cncfanatics | its pretty handy |
| 09:20.46 | reqol | I'll give it a try then : o |
| 09:21.18 | SylBot | #wowace I want to say is that we should al least compare to 1.5 subversion since it has merge tracking |
| 09:21.53 | Arrowmaster | subversion 1.5 mergetracking is seriously flawed though |
| 09:22.35 | SylBot | #wowace well, i'll have to read about it then |
| 09:22.57 | Arrowmaster | stop sending raw commands with your bot |
| 09:23.00 | Arrowmaster | or atleast do them right |
| 09:23.20 | SylBot | im going to bed |
| 09:23.24 | Ellipsis | profalbert: does Parrot actually use acelibrary or deformat still? |
| 09:23.42 | profalbert | Ellipsis: yes, for loot and reputation |
| 09:23.50 | Ellipsis | shudders |
| 09:23.51 | SylBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.51 | profalbert | and skillgains |
| 09:23.57 | SylBot | lol |
| 09:24.42 | profalbert | Ellipsis: got a better idea? |
| 09:24.58 | sylvanaar | ace library is still great |
| 09:25.06 | Arrowmaster | at sucking |
| 09:25.18 | profalbert | I thought of copying that libstubbed version of Deformat, that is in some addon |
| 09:25.27 | cncfanatics | why ain't that a lib ? |
| 09:25.34 | sylvanaar | meh, it break your entire ui because you forgot to enable an addon |
| 09:25.37 | cncfanatics | instead of being inside an addon |
| 09:25.46 | Ellipsis | profalbert: could probably inline whatever tiny bits you need? not sure |
| 09:25.55 | *** join/#wowace Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 09:26.20 | Ellipsis | I don't have nearly enough understanding of the issue, just was looking through the toc/externals and those two caught my eye |
| 09:26.28 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: if somebody breaks instead of gives a single error when something is missing then its done wrong |
| 09:27.18 | cncfanatics | wtf ? |
| 09:27.26 | cncfanatics | i'm getting several spam messages per minute on my gmail |
| 09:27.35 | Ellipsis | grats |
| 09:27.40 | sylvanaar | thats fine - but it was based on expeience of having to support people omg my bugsack says.... |
| 09:28.50 | Ellipsis | oh look it's a Industrial |
| 09:29.07 | Industrial | y hello thar |
| 09:29.12 | Arrowmaster | more than 1 error for a missing lib means the addon is poorly coded |
| 09:29.31 | cncfanatics | well, an addon shld just refuse to run with an errormsg if it has a missing lib |
| 09:29.36 | Ellipsis | in most cases, 1 error is too much as well :P |
| 09:29.43 | cncfanatics | not rly Ellipsis |
| 09:29.49 | cncfanatics | 1 error is good, to warn the user the addon can't run |
| 09:29.55 | Ellipsis | I'd say about 80% of libs that are "required" aren't really necessary for some/most of the functionality of the addon |
| 09:30.09 | Ellipsis | the addon shouldn't choke and die because the lib used for tiny feature X doesn't happen to be installed |
| 09:30.14 | Arrowmaster | if the addon has multiple files then each one should first check to see if the main file was fully loaded before trying to do anything |
| 09:30.14 | cncfanatics | true, in that case it shld just fail silently and keep running |
| 09:30.22 | slvanaar_xanax | yeah, thats fine - but if you dont have to stop everything if you have an error, and can fix the problem and continue, then that makes you well coded |
| 09:30.25 | Ellipsis | e.g. fubar used to "require" libjostle |
| 09:30.32 | Industrial | noone but the author should touch libs |
| 09:30.34 | Industrial | period. |
| 09:31.03 | Industrial | you have no business in how I set up my mod, and then make demands to make it work without something I needm nessecary |
| 09:31.39 | Ellipsis | if an addon author doesn't make something optional that I don't want the functionality of, I just hack it into my local copy |
| 09:31.57 | Ellipsis | coughs "PT" in bulkmail2's direction |
| 09:32.02 | Industrial | sure, but I'm not going to add extra code to mine cause you dont want feature x |
| 09:32.10 | sylvanaar | i dont care, that shit worked great |
| 09:32.32 | Ellipsis | Industrial: it's a simple "if not libname then return" in the file that sets up that functionality :P |
| 09:32.40 | sylvanaar | it shut the fucking users up on their real complaints |
| 09:32.42 | Ellipsis | though you could add an "end" if you want it to actually parse |
| 09:32.50 | Industrial | ;D |
| 09:32.54 | Ellipsis | headdesks |
| 09:33.12 | Industrial | i need to shop |
| 09:33.12 | cncfanatics | makes sure Ellipsis doesn't recover |
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| 09:33.27 | Industrial | beer, chips, energy drink |
| 09:33.30 | sylvanaar | and the only ones left complaing were developers, who incidentally, almost never took support questions |
| 09:33.32 | Industrial | Ellipsis: anything else? |
| 09:33.33 | Ellipsis | om nom nom nom |
| 09:33.35 | Ellipsis | cheese |
| 09:33.46 | Industrial | chees it is. |
| 09:33.49 | Industrial | +e |
| 09:33.58 | cncfanatics | Industrial: a computer or two, three |
| 09:34.07 | Ellipsis | licks Industrial |
| 09:34.16 | Industrial | could use one of those :< my motherboard died |
| 09:34.20 | cncfanatics | :D |
| 09:34.28 | Industrial | im using another pc atm |
| 09:34.37 | sylvanaar | buy me 4xquadcore |
| 09:34.42 | Industrial | one thats way faster and gives me 75fps flat with my gfxcard and hd in it |
| 09:34.45 | Industrial | T_T |
| 09:34.52 | sylvanaar | i saw 2x quad already |
| 09:35.02 | cncfanatics | Industrial: mine gives me 15 fps flat :s |
| 09:35.05 | sylvanaar | shold be 4xquad soon |
| 09:35.09 | cncfanatics | buying a laptop soon though, so dsnt matter |
| 09:35.12 | Industrial | hehe I put my own HD in this pc with an intel instead of AMD and lots of different hardware and windows did NOT blow up in my face |
| 09:35.15 | Industrial | licks Ellipsis |
| 09:35.22 | Arrowmaster | getting quad with hyperthreading soon |
| 09:35.32 | Industrial | you people with.. money >:< |
| 09:35.51 | Arrowmaster | i ment its coming out soon |
| 09:36.02 | Industrial | my north bridge cooler got stuck, didnt spin anymore and blew up my north bridge basically :D |
| 09:36.11 | Industrial | im sending it in for repair |
| 09:36.16 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07v2 * r79475 10CastYeller/: CastYeller: they won't be any version 2 ATM. |
| 09:36.16 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.31 | Ellipsis | so someone tell me why I shouldn't crave a new tabletlib :< |
| 09:36.39 | cncfanatics | crave ? |
| 09:36.46 | profalbert | passive NorthBridge-cooling ftw |
| 09:36.52 | Lanerra | Right now I believe the Intel Skulltrail motherboard is the only two slot quad-core supporting mobo |
| 09:36.53 | Industrial | cause you can easily make yourself a little frame and put text on it |
| 09:36.53 | Ellipsis | it makes data display so much eeeeeeasier |
| 09:37.31 | Ellipsis | but all the pesky lining things up and making things clickable and bleh |
| 09:37.49 | profalbert | and detachable |
| 09:37.51 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis: giev new dewdrop |
| 09:38.00 | Ellipsis | didn't Antiarc start one of those? |
| 09:38.04 | yoshimo | when a boss gains a (de)-buff, which combatlogeventtyüe shall i look for ? |
| 09:38.11 | cncfanatics | yoshimo: none |
| 09:38.16 | cncfanatics | you don't want combatlog events for that |
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| 09:38.21 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79476 10CastYeller/: CastYeller: remotely created folder. |
| 09:38.23 | cncfanatics | you want the actual buff events |
| 09:38.23 | Arrowmaster | i thought about making a new tabletlib but then realized i didnt want to make the data table format for it |
| 09:38.26 | Industrial | UNIT_AURA |
| 09:38.31 | profalbert | yoshimo: SPELL_AURA_APPLIED |
| 09:38.46 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: how much bribing would it take to make you want to? :3 |
| 09:38.50 | cncfanatics | profalbert: shldnt use the combatlog for that imo |
| 09:38.58 | Arrowmaster | not possible |
| 09:39.05 | Ellipsis | but I have boobs |
| 09:39.06 | Arrowmaster | i dont design apis |
| 09:39.07 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79477 10CastYeller/CastYeller/ (13 files in 3 dirs): CastYeller: first, not functionnal, Ace3'd version. |
| 09:39.09 | Ellipsis | and boobs make everything possible |
| 09:39.24 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I was about to say something harsh, but I'll shut up :p |
| 09:43.41 | profalbert | cncfanatics: but with UNIT_AURA you have to cache and poll the auras, to determine which aura was applied |
| 09:44.05 | cncfanatics | true |
| 09:45.24 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79478 10CastYeller/CastYeller/ (CastYeller.toc FuBarPlugin.lua embeds.xml): |
| 09:45.24 | CIA-45 | CastYeller: |
| 09:45.24 | CIA-45 | - removed FuBarPlugin.lua, |
| 09:45.25 | CIA-45 | - fixed embeds and .toc. |
| 09:45.33 | Industrial | Ellipsis: probably a trip to here :P |
| 09:48.30 | Ellipsis | mentally compares the cost of a plane ticket with the cost of hiring someone else to do the work |
| 09:49.24 | cncfanatics | result ? :p |
| 09:49.50 | Ellipsis | tl;dc |
| 09:49.55 | Ellipsis | (too long, don't care) |
| 09:50.03 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 09:50.13 | cncfanatics | tadb is better |
| 09:50.16 | cncfanatics | too anoying, didn't bother |
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| 10:01.30 | Zyndrome | god damn getting spammed with "oShit: (36): C stack overflow" |
| 10:01.49 | cncfanatics | disable it |
| 10:01.55 | *** join/#wowace QuantumDelta (n=blahblah@77-99-38-93.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 10:01.59 | cncfanatics | omg |
| 10:02.01 | cncfanatics | its QuantumDelta |
| 10:02.10 | cncfanatics | long time no see :o |
| 10:02.15 | Zyndrome | it doesn't tell WHAT to disable :p |
| 10:02.22 | Zyndrome | just "C stack overflow" |
| 10:02.27 | QuantumDelta | Morning mate ;) |
| 10:02.32 | cncfanatics | oShit ain't an addon ? :p |
| 10:02.54 | cncfanatics | QuantumDelta: everything good ? :) |
| 10:03.08 | QuantumDelta | pretty good yea |
| 10:03.14 | Zyndrome | well yeah it directs errors to the chatframe, but as soon as I tinker with ButtonFacade & Dominos , it spews out those errors :< |
| 10:03.23 | QuantumDelta | I'm working on creating more FreeSpace fanatics as part of my master plan ;P |
| 10:03.35 | cncfanatics | FreeSpace ? |
| 10:03.48 | QuantumDelta | Space flight sim from 1998 |
| 10:03.52 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79479 10CastYeller/CastYeller/CastYeller.lua: CastYeller: rough updating of console, commands and db. |
| 10:03.58 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 10:04.00 | QuantumDelta | Still the best multiplayer game in history :P |
| 10:04.00 | cncfanatics | cnc > freespace |
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| 10:04.12 | QuantumDelta | aww man |
| 10:04.20 | cncfanatics | freespacefanatics wouldn't fit as nick anyway |
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| 10:04.51 | cncfanatics | btw QuantumDelta, do you still raid ? |
| 10:04.58 | QuantumDelta | nothin' beats a free for all blitzstorm of 12 people weaving and squeezing every degree of turn they can get outta their joystick/keyboard/mouse in an attempt to get the upper hand on their opponent ;) |
| 10:05.01 | QuantumDelta | Yea still raidin' |
| 10:05.10 | cncfanatics | class/spec ? |
| 10:05.12 | QuantumDelta | only brutallus down/farm atm tho |
| 10:05.16 | QuantumDelta | Protadin of course ;) |
| 10:05.29 | cncfanatics | nothin' changed for you then :D |
| 10:05.36 | cncfanatics | rerolling a resto druid atm here |
| 10:05.44 | QuantumDelta | hard to stop being europes best :P! |
| 10:05.53 | QuantumDelta | resto druid eh |
| 10:06.00 | QuantumDelta | still on kazzak? |
| 10:06.32 | cncfanatics | nop, maggy now |
| 10:06.36 | QuantumDelta | haha |
| 10:06.39 | cncfanatics | what realm are you on again ? :p |
| 10:06.45 | QuantumDelta | Outland :P |
| 10:07.42 | cncfanatics | didn't pick my realm myself though |
| 10:07.47 | cncfanatics | joined a rerollers guild starting to raid in sept |
| 10:07.53 | cncfanatics | so I lvl'd up the druidy and gearing up atlm |
| 10:08.00 | cncfanatics | think I dinged 70 a week and a half ago |
| 10:08.16 | Kep | feral or resto? :D |
| 10:08.21 | Kep | (or balance?!) |
| 10:08.23 | cncfanatics | resto |
| 10:08.30 | cncfanatics | found druid resto actualy fun |
| 10:08.34 | cncfanatics | unlike paladin holy :/ |
| 10:09.03 | QuantumDelta | holy pallys are kinda meh |
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| 10:09.21 | QuantumDelta | realistically speaking they only really have 2 buttons |
| 10:09.22 | QuantumDelta | -.- |
| 10:09.48 | cncfanatics | 3 |
| 10:09.53 | Zyndrome | shuffles his pally aside |
| 10:10.05 | cncfanatics | holy light max rank, holy light max rank - X (depends on +healing) and cleanse |
| 10:10.11 | cncfanatics | most don't even use FoL anymore :p |
| 10:10.55 | Zyndrome | and the occassional divine favor and divine illumination |
| 10:11.16 | Industrial | chain chain chain chain chain chain |
| 10:11.19 | Industrial | <-- shammy |
| 10:11.25 | cncfanatics | BRAIN HEAL |
| 10:11.31 | cncfanatics | because targetting is old school |
| 10:11.50 | Industrial | just click the unit with the least hp and you heal all of them gg |
| 10:11.56 | Zyndrome | you shammies could just put one of those drinking bird toys at your keyboard and go AFK, go eat or something |
| 10:11.58 | Zyndrome | :p |
| 10:12.03 | Industrial | lol |
| 10:12.04 | Zyndrome | "awesome chain healing!" |
| 10:12.25 | Industrial | I should make an external macro to just press 1 |
| 10:12.27 | cncfanatics | Zyndrome: the only healers I realisiticly wanted to roll were druid & priest :p |
| 10:12.30 | Ellipsis | l2G15 |
| 10:12.33 | Industrial | until i turn it off |
| 10:12.38 | Zyndrome | or macro a G15 |
| 10:12.51 | Industrial | L2not buy an expensive keyboard to do what software can do easily for free |
| 10:13.01 | QuantumDelta | wtb some resto shamans in our raid tbh plx ;\ |
| 10:13.07 | Zyndrome | but free software doesn't come with an LCD-screen ;_; |
| 10:13.14 | cncfanatics | QuantumDelta: advantage with a reroll guild, we fixing all our classes in advance :) |
| 10:13.27 | Industrial | wtb more healing |
| 10:13.31 | Industrial | 1200 now, rofl :P |
| 10:13.34 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 10:13.36 | QuantumDelta | haha |
| 10:13.40 | cncfanatics | I dinged 70 a week and a half ago |
| 10:13.43 | Zyndrome | grats |
| 10:13.43 | cncfanatics | and i'm at 1370 or so |
| 10:13.43 | Ellipsis | Industrial: I didn't buy the G15 for features that software can do :P |
| 10:13.45 | cncfanatics | fail Industrial |
| 10:13.49 | QuantumDelta | well our class balance was really good cnc :P |
| 10:13.50 | Industrial | no fail server |
| 10:13.53 | Industrial | cant get a heroic run |
| 10:13.55 | Industrial | EVERY |
| 10:13.57 | QuantumDelta | summer |
| 10:13.57 | Industrial | DAY |
| 10:13.59 | QuantumDelta | = |
| 10:13.59 | Industrial | i lfg |
| 10:14.01 | QuantumDelta | poof! |
| 10:14.04 | Industrial | its retarded |
| 10:14.08 | cncfanatics | ah, I see |
| 10:14.15 | cncfanatics | Industrial: l2playonnonlowpopservers |
| 10:14.16 | Ellipsis | LFGs for Industrial's pants |
| 10:14.25 | Lanerra | I got a G15, simply because of the LCD screen |
| 10:14.25 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis: you can solo that |
| 10:14.37 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: true, but it's more fun if you bring friends ;) |
| 10:14.41 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 10:14.49 | Lanerra | I don't use the WoW module, though. I usually keep it on the PerfMonitor one |
| 10:15.02 | cncfanatics | Lanerra: opengl overlay ? :p |
| 10:15.07 | cncfanatics | can do the same as an lcd screen |
| 10:16.30 | Industrial | Ellipsis: you can solo that |
| 10:16.32 | Ellipsis | I use the G15 for the silly reason that it has 18 extra buttons placed within reach |
| 10:16.42 | Ellipsis | since everything else I can press is already bound |
| 10:16.46 | Ellipsis | and I need moar buttonz :( |
| 10:16.48 | Vulcanus | the whisper tracking on screen is awesome too |
| 10:16.49 | Lanerra | OpenGL Overlay? |
| 10:16.49 | cncfanatics | Industrial: I already said that, you failure |
| 10:17.11 | cncfanatics | Lanerra: basicly, a program rendering some opengl on the screen |
| 10:17.16 | cncfanatics | that will appear in front of ur WoW |
| 10:17.23 | Industrial | hax |
| 10:17.24 | Arrowmaster | or directx overlay |
| 10:17.29 | Vulcanus | on ur screen, disturbin ur gaem |
| 10:17.31 | cncfanatics | Industrial: perfectly legal |
| 10:17.34 | Lanerra | I suppose that's one route, but I prefer to keep as much of the screen free as possible |
| 10:17.36 | Industrial | hax imo |
| 10:18.36 | Lanerra | Speaking of which...why the hell am I suddenly using 73% of my 4GB of RAM? |
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| 10:19.04 | cncfanatics | Lanerra: is WoW using those 73% ? :o |
| 10:19.07 | cncfanatics | or just vista ? |
| 10:19.09 | cncfanatics | if its vista, its normal |
| 10:19.15 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 10:19.23 | Ellipsis | vista's not that bad |
| 10:19.28 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 10:19.28 | Lanerra | I'm using Windows XP Professional x64 Edition |
| 10:19.29 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis: not ment in a bad way |
| 10:19.58 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis: vista caches memory for later use |
| 10:20.02 | cncfanatics | so it appears as "used" |
| 10:20.07 | Vulcanus | I didn't know anybody actually used XP x64 |
| 10:20.07 | Lanerra | And yeah...Vista Ultimate used about 50% of my 4GB just sitting there with nothing but the OS shit runnign |
| 10:20.10 | Lanerra | Running* |
| 10:20.25 | cncfanatics | Lanerra: see what I just said :) |
| 10:20.27 | Vulcanus | another ignorant "I don't understand SuperFetch" person |
| 10:20.28 | Vulcanus | :p |
| 10:20.52 | Ellipsis | I've found the G15's calculation of RAM to be just slightly screwy anyhow :P |
| 10:20.53 | Arrowmaster | all windows versions do that |
| 10:20.54 | profalbert | hmm... "superfetch.exe has stopped working" [close] |
| 10:21.08 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: true, but its only really very noticable with vista |
| 10:21.16 | Lanerra | Oh, SuperFetch? The thing that uses USB memory sticks and shit to expand available memory? Yeah, I got that |
| 10:21.19 | cncfanatics | though i guess it also is for xp with 4gig mem |
| 10:21.26 | Vulcanus | Lanerra, no |
| 10:21.27 | profalbert | Lenerra: no |
| 10:21.43 | Vulcanus | superfetch is the next evolution of the prefetch feature in previous versions of windows |
| 10:21.58 | Vulcanus | it notices what programs you open frequently, and pre-cache their files in ram |
| 10:22.08 | Ellipsis | in other words, pure evil |
| 10:22.08 | Lanerra | Oooo, the pre-loader |
| 10:22.15 | Ellipsis | wrong side of the space/time tradeoff imo! |
| 10:22.24 | Arrowmaster | xp has that too |
| 10:22.30 | Vulcanus | but it doesnt learn |
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| 10:22.31 | cncfanatics | Vulcanus: so, if you run WoW every day it'll precache the 8 gig WoW install ? :p rofl |
| 10:22.34 | Arrowmaster | except it only caches the exe |
| 10:22.35 | p4aved | superfetch crashes for me like 3 days after boot |
| 10:22.46 | Lanerra | Yes, I actually disabled that as part of the install. I make custom installs with vLite |
| 10:22.57 | Vulcanus | fail |
| 10:23.03 | p4aved | i did that but mine turned out less stable than vanillia |
| 10:23.13 | Arrowmaster | its vista |
| 10:23.16 | Ikz` | Does anyone know an addon that replaces the default raid windows in the way that you can drag off a couple of people from the raid window in a far better unit frame? |
| 10:23.37 | Arrowmaster | Ikz`: not possible |
| 10:23.43 | cncfanatics | Ikz`: that doesn't exist atm afaik, and not possible due to taint |
| 10:23.53 | Ikz` | Anything that comes close through a workaround? |
| 10:23.53 | cncfanatics | damn, Arrowmaster beat me to it |
| 10:24.00 | Vulcanus | I've had superfetch crash twice, some hosts process around 3 times, that's all the errors Ive ever had in my 1 year of using vista |
| 10:24.21 | Vulcanus | not counting the slew of BSOD errors I got when I overclocked my ram from 266 MHz to 1066 MHz :p |
| 10:24.31 | Lanerra | I used Vista for a while, but eh...I decided to wait until the next OS release |
| 10:24.50 | cncfanatics | I decided to wait untill the next OS release without DRM |
| 10:24.53 | p4aved | i lost a hard disk that was about it, cept for teh vlite install i had, which was jsut bleh |
| 10:24.53 | Arrowmaster | if i had to use a windows version other than xp, it would be server08 |
| 10:24.54 | cncfanatics | I fight I'll wait a while :( |
| 10:24.55 | Lanerra | Nothing really wrong with it, just didn't do it for me |
| 10:25.22 | Vulcanus | I love Vista, not only for the actual useful left sidebar, but because network diagnostics actually works now |
| 10:25.29 | Vulcanus | to mention some |
| 10:25.40 | p4aved | lulz sidebar, first thing i turn off |
| 10:25.48 | cncfanatics | Vulcanus: just use linux if you want working stuff ? :p |
| 10:25.56 | Ikz` | So none of the unit frame addons will allow for a custom unit frame of just someone in particular? |
| 10:25.57 | Vulcanus | funny guy :p |
| 10:26.07 | Lanerra | I've also tried the Windows Server 2008 workstation conversion thing, too. That was pretty awesome, honestly. But, I decided to stick with XP for a while |
| 10:26.09 | Vulcanus | in XP I had it on simply to get a quick shortcut abck to my documents folder |
| 10:26.29 | Ellipsis | win+E |
| 10:26.31 | Ellipsis | problem solved! |
| 10:26.51 | Vulcanus | kek |
| 10:27.01 | Arrowmaster | win-e opens C: for me... |
| 10:27.02 | Vulcanus | on vista that brings up computer, not documents |
| 10:27.06 | Arrowmaster | but i can change that |
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| 10:27.51 | Arrowmaster | actually i probably should change that, let me find my keybindings file |
| 10:28.53 | Vulcanus | one thing they should fix with vista is to make the memory usage report what is cached, what is used for currently open apps, and what is actually free to be re-allocated |
| 10:29.02 | Vulcanus | but I hear they are fixing that for Win7 |
| 10:29.49 | Vulcanus | cos atm it says that Im using 3.15 GB / 4 GB, where 2478 MB is cached. |
| 10:30.45 | cncfanatics | gonna eat |
| 10:31.08 | Arrowmaster | ah thats better |
| 10:31.15 | Arrowmaster | changed win-e to run explorer.exe /e,,::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D} |
| 10:31.44 | Ellipsis | tada |
| 10:32.03 | yoshimo | i want to check for a buff on my target that doesnt fire a spell-aura-applied in cl. reading bigwigs didnt help |
| 10:32.17 | Ellipsis | tbh I don't mind having to click my documents after hitting win-e because usually I'm headed for something else anyway |
| 10:33.09 | Arrowmaster | i have a .lnk to 'Microsoft Windows Network' because its the only god damn way i can find to get to it |
| 10:33.18 | Arrowmaster | directly |
| 10:34.17 | Arrowmaster | the target field in properties is grayed out and says 'Microsoft Windows Network' |
| 10:34.17 | Vulcanus | I have a Network link on my start menu O.o |
| 10:34.35 | Arrowmaster | thats to the shitty network window though |
| 10:34.37 | Arrowmaster | not the good one |
| 10:34.55 | Vulcanus | ..right.. XD |
| 10:35.02 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:35.02 | Vulcanus | whats the good one then :p |
| 10:35.11 | Arrowmaster | 'Microsoft Windows Network' |
| 10:35.29 | Arrowmaster | its the one that doesnt have the fucking auto shortcuts but instead lists all the workgroups found |
| 10:35.41 | Arrowmaster | and you click a workgroup and it shows all the computers in that workgroup |
| 10:35.45 | Vulcanus | Ive never seen anything beyond the regular network window where you double click computers and it lets you access them |
| 10:36.03 | Vulcanus | which is what I want when I click on network, so Im good |
| 10:36.45 | Arrowmaster | 'My Network Places' is the shitty one i think |
| 10:37.02 | Arrowmaster | and the one thats in the startmenu |
| 10:37.22 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: if you go to network places, entire network, microsoft windows network...isn't that the same thing you want? |
| 10:37.27 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:37.38 | Arrowmaster | but theres no command i can find to open it directly |
| 10:37.47 | Arrowmaster | you can make a shortcut to it though |
| 10:38.05 | Pneumatus | hahah someone frappsed our guild raid on Sylvannas last night |
| 10:38.08 | Arrowmaster | but like i said the shortcut is a bit weird |
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| 10:53.34 | winkiller | is there any coding style document that has reached "recommended" or default status? |
| 10:55.00 | Orionshock | ^.^ someone sugested that we use bit torrent to distribute addons .... |
| 10:55.02 | Orionshock | oy |
| 10:55.14 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: where ? :o |
| 10:55.17 | winkiller | yeah, brilliant idea |
| 10:55.23 | Orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.msg233642#msg233642 |
| 10:55.26 | Orionshock | winkiller: no |
| 10:55.31 | winkiller | <irony> |
| 10:55.34 | Orionshock | :D |
| 10:55.59 | winkiller | weekly seed of a trunk checkout would make sense, nothing else |
| 10:56.06 | Orionshock | lol |
| 10:56.17 | winkiller | "sense" |
| 10:56.19 | winkiller | ;) |
| 10:56.25 | cncfanatics | tbh, if done well it ain't a too bad idea |
| 10:56.33 | cncfanatics | but making such a framework and make it work well is well, a lot of work |
| 10:56.38 | Orionshock | if we had a special client then maybe |
| 10:58.07 | Lanerra | Hmmm...I can't seem to get the color of SatrinaBuffFrames' borders to change |
| 10:59.46 | CIA-45 | 03isler * r79480 10MBB/MBB.lua: |
| 10:59.46 | CIA-45 | MBB: |
| 10:59.46 | CIA-45 | - ignore new icons in 2.4.3 |
| 11:00.00 | Orionshock | lol just asked random question in raid vent and general response was no, not needed |
| 11:00.40 | cncfanatics | what question, Orionshock ? |
| 11:01.04 | Orionshock | If the addons you want where only available via bit torrent would you use the bit torrent? |
| 11:02.12 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: shldnt ask it like that |
| 11:02.20 | cncfanatics | like, most people use bittorrent for wow patches |
| 11:03.57 | Orionshock | right but those are 400+mb patches and it's justified |
| 11:04.12 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.03 | cncfanatics | Orionshock: tbh, i'd think we use more bandwidth then blizz atm, or close to |
| 11:05.20 | cncfanatics | (the wow site vs wowace that is) |
| 11:05.29 | Orionshock | we do due to localization changes and externals bumps... |
| 11:05.40 | cncfanatics | idd :p |
| 11:06.50 | Orionshock | just imagine, some zhTW transfker goes and changes the syntax in bartender3 and 400k ppl download a 15k file due to that one change |
| 11:07.07 | cncfanatics | thats a problem in the design :) |
| 11:08.59 | cncfanatics | btw, out of curiosity, does wowace still have a dl counter ? |
| 11:09.30 | Orionshock | somewhere but not public |
| 11:13.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:13.18 | Arrowmaster | because it required parsing TONS of logs to do |
| 11:13.37 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: naa, if not more than 4 diffs then make new file |
| 11:13.51 | Lukian | Any recount author(s) around? |
| 11:13.52 | Orionshock | or only compile new file when anything but *\locales change |
| 11:14.04 | profalbert | ~seen elsia |
| 11:14.08 | purl | elsia <i=elsiarow@p57A27DF7.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 36d 13h 57m 14s ago, saying: 'Hjalte: no clue, death records look fine for me when I check, except that there is a tendencies for duplicates. never seen some missing'. |
| 11:14.12 | Lukian | Just wondering if CC Breakers could include the raid icon on the mob |
| 11:14.15 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: im talking about http logs |
| 11:14.25 | Orionshock | for download count? |
| 11:14.27 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:14.36 | Orionshock | hum... |
| 11:14.41 | cncfanatics | wouldn't simply incrementing a count in a file be more efficient for that if it was really wanted ? :op |
| 11:15.15 | Arrowmaster | yes but then you would have to turn every link into a server side script |
| 11:15.22 | Arrowmaster | that then sent the zip |
| 11:15.34 | Arrowmaster | which would blow up the cpu usage |
| 11:15.38 | cncfanatics | true |
| 11:16.08 | Arrowmaster | i dont think files even has any server side scripting stuff installed |
| 11:16.19 | cncfanatics | it shldnt rly |
| 11:16.22 | Arrowmaster | its a super lightweight server |
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| 11:21.15 | ashb | so who do i speak to about a feature request for CowTip? |
| 11:21.24 | cncfanatics | ashb: prolly ckknight |
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| 11:21.50 | ashb | its another one of his modules? he seems to write lots :) |
| 11:22.11 | cncfanatics | carto, cowtip, parrot |
| 11:22.16 | cncfanatics | afaik :p |
| 11:22.26 | cncfanatics | oh, and pitbull ofc |
| 11:22.49 | profalbert | and chinchilla |
| 11:23.16 | cncfanatics | although, he doesn't maintain them all himself anymore iirc |
| 11:23.20 | cncfanatics | profalbert does parrot right ? |
| 11:23.25 | profalbert | right |
| 11:24.22 | Zyndrome | oh lol :< |
| 11:24.56 | Zyndrome | someone wants to buy Sulfuron Ingots, I got one from a shits and giggles MC-run once ... he makes an offer of 60g.... |
| 11:24.59 | Zyndrome | .. |
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| 11:25.42 | Industrial | lol |
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| 11:27.13 | Zyndrome | and now we're both dead silent, he's probably waiting for me to reply "you effing kidding?" |
| 11:27.41 | Lanerra | Hmmmm...was there ever a way implented into Elkano's Buff Bars to change the border of buff icons on the bars? |
| 11:27.52 | SunTiger | Zyndrome, he really wants a hand of ragnaros ? |
| 11:27.59 | Elkano | none that I know of |
| 11:28.20 | Lanerra | I remember writing something once that did that...damn, I can't remember where I put it |
| 11:28.34 | Lanerra | I think it was just a code modification, though, not a standalone adodn |
| 11:28.35 | Lanerra | Addon |
| 11:28.57 | Zyndrome | SunTiger , apparently ... so I just smacked it up on AH instead for a much more desirable amount :p |
| 11:29.03 | Lanerra | Crap, now I gotta dig it up |
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| 11:29.12 | SunTiger | Zyndrome, gg |
| 11:30.12 | Elkano | well, you can change the code, yeah ^^ look into EBBBar.lua |
| 11:30.33 | SunTiger | ElkanoBuffBarsBar ? |
| 11:30.35 | Elkano | most likely the code where the bars are created/updated |
| 11:30.35 | Lanerra | Yeah, I remember it being between lines 198 and 209 |
| 11:30.55 | Lanerra | Actually, I think I posted it in the EBB forum on WowAce |
| 11:30.59 | cncfanatics | ag`_: connect problems ? :p |
| 11:31.18 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: nah was setting up IRC client again :P |
| 11:31.40 | CIA-45 | 03pneumatus * r79481 10ClassLoot/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:31.40 | CIA-45 | ClassLoot: |
| 11:31.40 | CIA-45 | - Update to 2.4.0 |
| 11:31.40 | CIA-45 | - Added deDE translation (Farook) |
| 11:31.40 | CIA-45 | - Removed un-neccesary SV/char |
| 11:31.41 | CIA-45 | - Removed ancient DKP_System intergration |
| 11:31.43 | CIA-45 | - Added the option to show Boss & Instance on item tooltips |
| 11:31.46 | Lanerra | Or it might have been the "Show your UI" thread |
| 11:32.29 | cncfanatics | ag`_: btw, if you still want to write an aguf module for quickhealth, cladhaire helped me optimize the current modules by a lot |
| 11:32.42 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: yes I still plan to |
| 11:32.44 | cncfanatics | so you should easely be able to base your code on that and have it be nicely efficient |
| 11:33.24 | ag`_ | I've just been a bit busy, got hooked on trying to get Mac OS running on my PC :p |
| 11:33.35 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 11:33.39 | cncfanatics | why'd u want that ? :p |
| 11:33.50 | Lanerra | Ah, yep, it was in the UI Screenshots thread....looks like it's from a way older version though since there's a lot of code in my example that's no longer in EBB |
| 11:34.18 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: because I like it on my macbook pro, so I wouldn't mind running it on my desktop too :P |
| 11:34.31 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 11:34.34 | cncfanatics | I'm not into it |
| 11:34.37 | cncfanatics | I like my lil linux |
| 11:34.58 | ag`_ | I've played around with linux on and off for many years now |
| 11:35.17 | cncfanatics | whats so good with Mac OS ? |
| 11:35.44 | ag`_ | Well it is a unixy thing too, but the user interface is much more polished, and I prefer the way you install applications too |
| 11:36.10 | cncfanatics | well, the way you install apps is very distro dependant |
| 11:36.21 | cncfanatics | there's most likely a distro that does it that way too |
| 11:36.44 | ag`_ | yeah, but it is mostly through a package manager that spreads them over /usr, /bin, and so on |
| 11:37.00 | Arrowmaster | because thats how they are designed to be installed |
| 11:37.17 | cncfanatics | how does OS X do it ? |
| 11:37.17 | ag`_ | yep |
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| 11:37.40 | ag`_ | It uses app folders, which are all placed in /Applications, with all depencies inside them |
| 11:37.54 | FinalX | ag`_: we have an image of OSX on vmware ^^ |
| 11:38.02 | cncfanatics | sounds like program files on windows |
| 11:38.03 | Orionshock | question @ BigWigs authors, my raid group tells me that DBM has a health box (showing ppl health below 9k) for Najentus. any reason that's not in BW or even a module? |
| 11:38.08 | cncfanatics | which I never found handy personaly |
| 11:38.17 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: it is |
| 11:38.26 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: BigWigs_NajAssist |
| 11:38.31 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: but not exactly, because windows breaks if you move applications around |
| 11:38.31 | Orionshock | lol |
| 11:38.37 | Orionshock | ok... bit dense here... |
| 11:38.40 | cncfanatics | windows breaks if you use it :s |
| 11:38.54 | FinalX | cncfanatics: Macs kinda put all program-specific stuff into 1 single "binary".. on disk, that "binary" is just a directory filled with the executable, libraries etc :) |
| 11:39.02 | Arrowmaster | no some windows applications break if you move them around |
| 11:39.12 | Arrowmaster | some dont |
| 11:39.15 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 11:39.22 | kagaro | cncfanatics: on OSX every app is self contained, so un-installing is just deleting the bunlde |
| 11:39.24 | Arrowmaster | it depends on who wrote the app |
| 11:39.30 | FinalX | Called Bla.app for example (you can see in the WoW installer for example, there's a dir on the CD called Installer.app or something) |
| 11:39.43 | cncfanatics | hmmm, ain't that much more dependant on program design then on OS ? |
| 11:39.46 | FinalX | Macs show it as 1 executable, even though it's a dir filled with files on disk |
| 11:39.59 | cncfanatics | sounds like stuff that totaly has nothing to do with the OS whatsoever |
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| 11:40.21 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: yes, it could totally work on Linux if support for it was added in Gnome or something |
| 11:40.23 | kagaro | no the downside it osx only lets you run 1 copy of a given app at a time so if you wana run 2 copies at once i.e. multibox wow you copy make a copy |
| 11:40.42 | kagaro | s/no/now/ |
| 11:40.45 | Arrowmaster | wow that sucks |
| 11:41.00 | cladhaire | kagaro: but in the case of WoW, that costs you like 24 megs |
| 11:41.05 | FinalX | ghehe, a colleague has a shirt saying "Fuck Google, ask me!" |
| 11:41.07 | cladhaire | the cost of wow is in the data files, which you can share |
| 11:41.18 | cladhaire | i.e. copy World of Warcraft.app to World of Warcraft Blah.app |
| 11:41.19 | ag`_ | You can also go into the terminal and into the app folder and execute the app again |
| 11:41.22 | cladhaire | and it "just works" |
| 11:41.23 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: thats only for gui apps from the finder, you can run as many as you want form the termina |
| 11:41.30 | ag`_ | you could create a shell script for that |
| 11:41.34 | cladhaire | yep |
| 11:41.35 | ag`_ | to start another wow session |
| 11:41.53 | FinalX | I like how it's done on Macs :) (not just OS X specific..) |
| 11:41.53 | kagaro | ag`_: yup |
| 11:42.03 | |Kev| | kagaro: you can run gui apps from the terminal too |
| 11:42.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm , I suspect there should be a linux distro that works like that somewhere |
| 11:42.10 | kagaro | yup |
| 11:42.16 | |Kev| | so when I've multiboxed, I've just used one WoW install |
| 11:42.52 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: there's gobolinux, which is kinda like that, but there's still a long way to go |
| 11:43.10 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79482 10CastYeller/CastYeller/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:43.10 | CIA-45 | CastYeller: |
| 11:43.10 | CIA-45 | - replaced SpellEvents-1.0 with home-made LibSpellEvents-2.0, |
| 11:43.10 | CIA-45 | - got rid of CastYeller_Announce message. |
| 11:43.12 | kagaro | it could easily be done on linux, it all just packaging |
| 11:43.14 | Lanerra | Hmmmm...any admins for CurseForge on right now? |
| 11:43.19 | ag`_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoboLinux |
| 11:43.37 | cncfanatics | kagaro: its just a question of running make install correctly |
| 11:43.38 | kagaro | and updating the links in the binary |
| 11:44.04 | kagaro | you just pay in terms of disk space cost |
| 11:44.33 | ag`_ | the file manager you use would need to support it as well, so it executes the binary inside the app folder by doubleclicking on it |
| 11:44.39 | Lanerra | There is a comment for NaturEnemyCastBars on CurseForge claiming there's a virus in the download. Just thought someone should know |
| 11:45.12 | cncfanatics | ag`_: gobolinux sounds quite intresting |
| 11:45.24 | cncfanatics | Lanerra: link ? |
| 11:45.25 | cncfanatics | i'll check |
| 11:45.31 | Arrowmaster | Lanerra: most that stuff is fake anyway |
| 11:45.45 | Lanerra | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/natur-enemy-cast-bar/tickets/7-virus/ |
| 11:45.47 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: yes I think so too, but I haven't tried it out |
| 11:47.09 | Arrowmaster | Lanerra: its completely clean |
| 11:47.20 | Lanerra | Alright, just being on the safe side is all |
| 11:47.23 | Arrowmaster | unless its hiddin in one of the sound files |
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| 11:49.41 | cncfanatics | ag`_: I'm really gonna try that out tbh :p |
| 11:49.49 | cncfanatics | getting a laptop as soon as I get paid |
| 11:49.52 | cncfanatics | so I'll try it on it |
| 11:50.32 | Fisker- | haxes cncfanatics |
| 11:50.51 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: I like the idea very much too, because I think the Linux file system layout is old, and needs an update. I do however prefer to use distros with larger communities around them, as that means it is easier to get packages and stuff like that |
| 11:51.40 | ag`_ | the other thing is that because they're the only distro doing that file system, it means that they can't really get the DEs integrated with the file system layout like Mac OS does it |
| 11:51.46 | Arrowmaster | a lot of people like the file system layout how it is |
| 11:52.03 | ag`_ | that's mostly tradition I'm sure |
| 11:52.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:52.29 | Arrowmaster | a lot of people like stuff split up for good reason |
| 11:53.25 | Arrowmaster | like using different partitions and even filesystems for different sections |
| 11:53.35 | ag`_ | yeah, but you can still do that |
| 11:53.42 | ag`_ | for /Users or /Applications |
| 11:53.43 | Arrowmaster | or shared network directories for certain ones |
| 11:53.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah but thats 2 dirs |
| 11:54.46 | ag`_ | but sure, for some servers or stuff like that it might make sense, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't for 90% of everyone using it on their desktop |
| 11:55.25 | ag`_ | and the only unix that has had "real" success on the desktop (mac OS) uses the NeXT style file system layout, too |
| 11:55.26 | Arrowmaster | for all servers the current layout is better |
| 11:56.30 | ag`_ | well if I were to setup a small server in my basement for running apache or whatever, I wouldn't need the old layout |
| 11:57.00 | CIA-45 | 03belazor * r79483 10/branches/Cryolysis3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:57.00 | CIA-45 | Cryolysis3: |
| 11:57.00 | CIA-45 | - Evocation cooldown tracking (and button tooltip) functionality added |
| 11:57.07 | cncfanatics | ag`_: the new layout has no advantages for servers |
| 11:57.12 | cncfanatics | ag`_: might as well stick to what works for it |
| 11:57.43 | Arrowmaster | only disadvantages for servers |
| 11:57.52 | Arrowmaster | and its 8am so im going to bed |
| 11:57.54 | ag`_ | yeah, there's no reason to change what works for servers and stuff like that |
| 11:58.07 | ag`_ | as those computers just needs stuff that's tried and tested |
| 11:58.13 | ag`_ | but I think Apple did the right thing |
| 11:58.20 | cncfanatics | its really a desktop thing only imo |
| 11:58.31 | cncfanatics | servers like having /usr, /etc & such nicely seperated |
| 11:58.32 | winkiller | can an addon get the current servername? |
| 11:58.38 | cncfanatics | winkiller: yes |
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| 11:59.04 | ag`_ | cncfanatics: well that's still up to which paths you compiled the apps with |
| 11:59.09 | m4rku5 | ag`_, im fine with the current filesystem layout (using linux at home, for playing wow and at university) |
| 11:59.09 | m4rku5 | ive got all my apps cleanly installed by my package manager, and dont care if they are in /usr/whatever/bin or in /Programm/Foo/ |
| 12:00.10 | ag`_ | If you've been using linux for a long time you've got no reason to be troubled by it |
| 12:00.33 | ag`_ | I still think the Mac OS way is much more friendly however |
| 12:00.43 | cncfanatics | well, linux' main goal was never to sell |
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| 12:00.51 | ag`_ | yep |
| 12:00.53 | cncfanatics | so there was less focus on being "friendly" |
| 12:01.01 | cncfanatics | thats totaly different with Mac OS & windows |
| 12:01.02 | Kuosi | any1 here using spellreminder? |
| 12:01.17 | ag`_ | it also has to do with the time it was born |
| 12:01.41 | ag`_ | I think most "new" OS try to improve on the file system layout |
| 12:01.51 | ag`_ | SkyOS maybe, I dunno |
| 12:02.14 | cncfanatics | the hard disk speed is one of the bottlenecks of pc speed atm, so it makes sense I guess |
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| 12:13.56 | Lanerra | Is there a way to modify ability tooltips so that say under mana requirements if you have enough mana to cast the ability, the (for example) mana requirement text would be teal, and if you do not have enough mana to cast it, then the text is red? |
| 12:14.57 | Lanerra | Or is all that locked down? |
| 12:16.03 | cncfanatics | its not |
| 12:16.06 | cncfanatics | nothing is locked down in the UI :p |
| 12:16.17 | cncfanatics | at least, nothing looks wise |
| 12:18.40 | Lanerra | Hmmmmm...ideas are a-brewing |
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| 12:28.52 | winkiller | mhm, how do I add a new addon via tortoisesvn? is it import -> http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ or http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/addonname/ - so that I don't end up with trunk/addon/addon/? |
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| 12:29.29 | AFKatzen | Anyone who can help me in changing the alpha of a center icon @ grid? |
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| 12:43.21 | kenlyric | lol |
| 12:43.23 | kenlyric | curseforge.com |
| 12:43.31 | kenlyric | transports you back to 1996 |
| 12:43.42 | kenlyric | FLAME BACKGROUNDS |
| 12:44.01 | winkiller | uhm, actually can someone tell me how I import an addon at all? I got stopped by the commit message hook, but "GuildnameGenerator: initial import" suits [[SVN_Rules]] imo :| |
| 12:44.08 | winkiller | kenlyric: stop flaming :P |
| 12:44.18 | winkiller | and be glad they're not animated gifs |
| 12:45.35 | kenlyric | I'm disappointed in that, really |
| 12:45.46 | kenlyric | it speaks of unfocus |
| 12:46.15 | Pneumatus | ping: sylvanaar |
| 12:46.29 | charon | winkiller: what's the error message? the pre-commit also stops commits without svn:eol-style or svn:mime-type (in most cases that's an XOR) and some file types iirc |
| 12:47.06 | winkiller | mhm, I followed the instructions about props, but let me check again |
| 12:48.06 | winkiller | Error: /usr/bin/lua: /var/repos/pre-commit.d/sanity:38: Invalid commit note, please visit http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules#Commit_Notes |
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| 12:48.40 | profalbert | winkiller: your note has to start with GuildnameGenerator |
| 12:48.50 | winkiller | yeah, as I sai.. |
| 12:49.00 | profalbert | like "GuildnameGenerator: initial commit" |
| 12:49.04 | winkiller | "GuildnameGenerator: initial import" |
| 12:49.08 | profalbert | ok |
| 12:49.08 | winkiller | 3 lines above |
| 12:49.13 | ckknight | I'll be glad when that's finally done with |
| 12:49.16 | ckknight | :-P |
| 12:49.24 | cncfanatics | ur not the only one |
| 12:49.27 | charon | triple check the capitalisation of the mod name and the destination path |
| 12:49.27 | winkiller | I hate imports |
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| 12:49.49 | ckknight | kenlyric: what's wrong with the flames? |
| 12:50.05 | kenlyric | ask a basic usability expert |
| 12:50.10 | winkiller | well, cvs is worse :P once I followed my admin's advice on cvs import and then he had to restore from a backup |
| 12:50.17 | kenlyric | the eyes. it burns |
| 12:51.41 | kenlyric | that's always been the bane of curse.com, deeply flawed understanding of color. |
| 12:51.45 | winkiller | my folder structure is foo\GuildnameGenerator\GuildnameGenerator.toc - I'm rightclicking foo and import -> "http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/" - which should put the GuildnameGenerator folder into trunk/ - imo |
| 12:51.47 | Pneumatus | sylvanaar: do you have any plans to add talent tree names to LibBabble-Class-3.0? |
| 12:51.56 | Gibbonz|Work | and more work for your browser/connection :) |
| 12:52.17 | Pkekyo| | ~day |
| 12:52.18 | purl | methinks day is saved again by... CAPTAIN PROTON! (corny theme music), or Wednesday. |
| 12:52.23 | profalbert | winkiller: maybe import it "http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/GuildnameGenerator" |
| 12:52.26 | Pkekyo| | ouh, new ZP today :D |
| 12:52.41 | kenlyric | it is wednesday |
| 12:52.49 | winkiller | profalbert: so a pre-commit hook creates that directory for me? |
| 12:53.00 | winkiller | that's not svn default behaviour |
| 12:53.00 | Pneumatus | just checkout http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/GuildnameGenerator into a new folder and copy all your files over to it, then commit |
| 12:53.04 | charon | winkiller: you could just remotely mkdir the directory, check it out, and copy&add the files to avoid the import |
| 12:53.21 | Lanerra | Hmmmmm...Fuzzy Logic has been reporting that an action has been blocked by the Blizzard UI every time I click the macro for it. But it only does it once when summoning for the first time since reload/login, and when rezzing for the first time since reload/login |
| 12:53.23 | winkiller | I could, if Tortoise wouldn't crash on "browse remote repo", yes |
| 12:53.29 | charon | i can do that |
| 12:53.31 | Lanerra | Any ideas? |
| 12:53.37 | winkiller | would be nice :) |
| 12:53.48 | Pneumatus | tried switching the taint log on Lanerra? |
| 12:53.54 | CIA-45 | 03charon * r79484 10GuildnameGenerator/: GuildnameGenerator: create directory for winkiller |
| 12:53.55 | charon | ^ |
| 12:54.01 | winkiller | thanks |
| 12:54.10 | Lanerra | Hadn't thought of doing that, what's the console command for that again? |
| 12:54.27 | Ellipsis | /console taintLog 1 |
| 12:54.33 | Lanerra | Thanks! |
| 12:54.47 | Ellipsis | if you need even more detail (unlikely) there's also /console taintLog 2 |
| 12:54.56 | Ellipsis | and of course, set it back to 0 to turn it off |
| 12:55.10 | Pneumatus | needs a client restart (or reloadui possibly) to get it running |
| 12:56.01 | Pneumatus | 1 should at least tell you what function is taining |
| 12:56.02 | CIA-45 | 03Armagon * r79485 10GuildnameGenerator/ (GNGText.lua GuildnameGenerator.lua GuildnameGenerator.toc): GuildnameGenerator: initial commit |
| 12:56.14 | winkiller | finally. thanks |
| 12:56.37 | Lanerra | Hmmmmm...nothing in the taint.log |
| 12:56.45 | Ellipsis | you have to /rl to get the log to write |
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| 12:58.51 | Lanerra | Ellipsis would you mind having a peep at the taint log? I don't want to flood the main channel and I'd greatly appreciate it |
| 12:59.00 | Pneumatus | paste it on pastey |
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| 12:59.12 | Pneumatus | http://ace.pastey.net/ |
| 12:59.13 | Lanerra | Oh yeah...still haven't gotten used to using that yet lol |
| 12:59.49 | Lanerra | http://ace.pastey.net/92767-2w8j |
| 13:01.50 | Lanerra | Any ideas? |
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| 13:03.30 | CIA-45 | 03schelli * r79486 10Omen/Modules/AOE/AOE_PulloutBar.lua: Omen: Fixed the log() call to math.log() since some addons seem to use a global log variable which causes problems |
| 13:04.17 | Gibbonz|Work | what's the current means to use custom fonts in game? Bit confused with all the font/media mods out there :) |
| 13:04.43 | Pneumatus | Lanerra: *shrug* |
| 13:04.49 | charon | ~seen schelli |
| 13:04.54 | purl | charon: i haven't seen 'schelli' |
| 13:04.55 | Lanerra | *head explodes* |
| 13:05.07 | charon | hmm. nice fix, but imho it's in the wrong place |
| 13:05.12 | Pneumatus | Gibbonz|Work: I use ClearFont2 personally |
| 13:05.40 | ag` | try MiniType on SVN :P |
| 13:06.26 | Gibbonz|Work | Pneumatus: so just CF2 by itself? |
| 13:06.49 | Pneumatus | well, you can get ClearFont2_FontPack for more options as well |
| 13:07.00 | Pneumatus | but MiniType looks pretty tidy, except the lack of fonts :P |
| 13:07.09 | ag` | it uses sharedmedia |
| 13:07.18 | ag` | so any font from any addon it can use |
| 13:07.29 | Pneumatus | (= |
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| 13:08.38 | Pneumatus | like SharedMediaAdditionalFonts perhaps |
| 13:09.10 | Gibbonz|Work | i'll take a look at MiniType when I'm home then :) |
| 13:09.53 | Pneumatus | just grabbed MiniType myself, gonna give it a whirl on beta |
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| 13:12.14 | Gibbonz|Work | thanks for the pointer :) |
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| 13:14.16 | Pneumatus | MiniType is broked on beta :< |
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| 13:19.32 | profalbert | winkiller: need seperate tables for each locale for GuildnameGenerator |
| 13:19.53 | winkiller | winkiller: I've not come to locale yet tbh... |
| 13:19.56 | Pneumatus | ag`: if you care, SystemFont and TextStatusBarTextSmall appear to be unavailable in wotlk |
| 13:20.14 | profalbert | winkiller: you don't have to fill them |
| 13:20.53 | profalbert | it would just be an GNGText["enUS"]["Pre"] = |
| 13:21.05 | winkiller | profalbert: I could also say I haven't evenchecked about locale yet. first addon, first stable thing :) |
| 13:21.08 | winkiller | ah ok, I can do that |
| 13:21.25 | winkiller | but atm it works with deDE and enGB clients.. it's just not localized |
| 13:22.09 | profalbert | i don't think all the words in the GNGText-table should be localized |
| 13:22.27 | Lanerra | How would one go about modifying tooltips of abilities? Like adding colors to a line of text, or part of a line of text? |
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| 13:22.44 | profalbert | there should just be seperate independent tables |
| 13:23.07 | profalbert | so that you have another "Adj"-list on deDE than on enUS |
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| 13:24.44 | winkiller | mhm yeah, but I'll have to check the order in detail |
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| 13:25.11 | winkiller | should work out with the sentences, but "of" and "and" might be different |
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| 13:25.53 | profalbert | hmm... right |
| 13:26.57 | Pazza_ | are there any DOM like commands to cycle through the children of an unknown frame? |
| 13:27.15 | Pazza_ | or does the structure need to be known. |
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| 13:27.35 | cncfanatics | frame:GetChildren(); |
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| 13:27.55 | ag` | Pneumatus: okay, I'll take a look at it when I get my key |
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| 13:38.41 | Pkekyo| | wtb 1x blank CD |
| 13:39.00 | Stan_ | wtb beta key |
| 13:40.09 | Pkekyo| | WTT beta key for 1x blank CD |
| 13:40.18 | Lanerra | ! |
| 13:40.28 | Lanerra | What's your mailing address? I'll get one out right away XD |
| 13:40.45 | Pkekyo| | I'll PM you |
| 13:41.10 | Pkekyo| | no I won't |
| 13:41.23 | Lanerra | Heh heh, kinda figured :) |
| 13:41.28 | Lanerra | I was joking around anywho |
| 13:41.32 | Pkekyo| | if I had the damn beta key I wouldn't be sitting 'round here bitching about a blank CD now, would I? :p |
| 13:41.41 | Lanerra | lol :P |
| 13:42.10 | Pkekyo| | need new music in my car :< |
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| 13:47.49 | profalbert | Pkekyo|: lol... just wanted to do the same and figured... i'm also out of banks |
| 13:47.58 | profalbert | s/banks/blanks |
| 13:48.18 | profalbert | s/banks/blanks/ |
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| 13:49.17 | cncfanatics | l2harddrive |
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| 13:52.44 | Pkekyo| | cncfanatics: in the car? :P |
| 13:52.49 | profalbert | 1 blank CD = about 0,20€ |
| 13:53.00 | profalbert | 1 car-radio w/ harddisk = .... |
| 13:53.24 | Pkekyo| | could get a car stereo with a USB insert, use a memory stick |
| 13:53.59 | profalbert | i could buy >100 cds and it would be cheaper |
| 13:55.02 | Pkekyo| | aye |
| 13:55.15 | Pkekyo| | same her...I just...can't be arsed to go all the way to the store :P |
| 13:56.26 | profalbert | get it in an onlineshop then |
| 13:56.39 | Pkekyo| | but...want the music NOW :p |
| 13:56.48 | Pkekyo| | leaving town in a few hours anyways |
| 13:57.25 | Lanerra | Oh hell no. I couldn't do the road trip thing without at least two or three mix CDs to listen to on the drive |
| 13:57.50 | profalbert | 1 or 2 mp3-cds are sufficient |
| 13:57.51 | Pkekyo| | I have fuckloads of CDs...but I've had that exact fuckload for quite some time and want a new fuckload |
| 13:58.01 | Pkekyo| | :P |
| 13:58.07 | Lanerra | Well, yes, MP3 CDs are an entirely different matter |
| 13:58.28 | Tifi | err so the login information for the forums is different than the one for the wiki? |
| 13:58.43 | Pkekyo| | Tifi: no, it's just that you suck |
| 13:58.50 | Tifi | oh cool |
| 13:59.06 | Pkekyo| | not really...you should atleast swallow as well |
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| 13:59.22 | profalbert | they are all different, jira, forums, wiki, svn, ... |
| 14:00.24 | Tifi | sweet, so could anyone delete my old account from the wiki? :> |
| 14:00.47 | Tifi | apparently i forgot the password, and i didn't register w/ an email address -.- |
| 14:01.44 | profalbert | ~fail Tifi |
| 14:01.45 | purl | Tifi, you Fail! |
| 14:02.07 | Tifi | yea i knew that already |
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| 14:06.31 | Tifi | nvm i guessed the pw |
| 14:06.37 | Tifi | ~unfail Tifi |
| 14:06.39 | Tifi | ... |
| 14:07.01 | profalbert | ~lart Tifi |
| 14:07.01 | purl | blames Tifi for all the evil in the world |
| 14:07.01 | ckknight | Tifi: clearly, it's your job to add the unfail cmd |
| 14:08.09 | Tifi | i have no idea how to do that ^^ |
| 14:08.22 | profalbert | well again |
| 14:08.29 | Tifi | lol |
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| 14:13.57 | Lanerra | I can't seem to get the border for the minimap tracking icon to hide...MinmapTrackingBorder:Hide() doesn't seem to do it. Anyone know of a way to hide it? |
| 14:14.29 | ckknight | Lanerra: I do it with Chinchilla |
| 14:14.34 | Zyndrome | coughs blood |
| 14:14.39 | Zyndrome | I changed "MiniMap-TrackingBorder.blp" for that :p |
| 14:14.56 | Lanerra | Hmmmmm... |
| 14:14.57 | Zyndrome | or meh |
| 14:14.59 | Zyndrome | kill me |
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| 14:15.24 | Lanerra | Mind if I have a peep at the code, ck, and use it? |
| 14:17.10 | ckknight | sure |
| 14:17.16 | ckknight | that is why I pointed you there |
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| 14:18.08 | Lanerra | Thanks :) |
| 14:18.19 | Lanerra | Would that be in the core lua, or under Appearance? |
| 14:18.29 | Pazza_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.54 | |Pixel| | slow ? |
| 14:21.38 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, is there an EU developer guild on beta yet ? |
| 14:21.48 | cncfanatics | so I know when I (hopefully) get my key |
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| 14:24.50 | Adys | havent seen any cncfanatics |
| 14:24.56 | cncfanatics | thats anoying |
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| 14:29.07 | Pneumatus | no idea cncfanatics, but Slackjawed Daffodils is pretty big like it was in tbc |
| 14:29.24 | cncfanatics | thats US right ? |
| 14:29.25 | Adys | but its not a dev guild :p |
| 14:29.27 | Adys | nah eu |
| 14:29.31 | cncfanatics | what guild is that ? :p |
| 14:29.41 | Pneumatus | no, its EU |
| 14:29.51 | cncfanatics | what kind of guild is it ? just some social guild ? |
| 14:30.09 | Pneumatus | well the only people here really are F&F and wwi anyway |
| 14:30.23 | profalbert | or just some free4all-guild? |
| 14:30.44 | profalbert | i remember <Deutsche Spieler> (="german players") from some patch-ptr |
| 14:30.49 | profalbert | with >500 memberes |
| 14:30.51 | Pneumatus | pretty much ffa |
| 14:31.03 | Pneumatus | Slackjawed Daffodils broke the /guildinfo counter in tbc beta |
| 14:31.19 | Pneumatus | it stops counting after so many people |
| 14:31.33 | profalbert | when does it break, it was 500 back then |
| 14:31.50 | Pneumatus | no idea now |
| 14:32.00 | Pneumatus | we only have 300 or so chars in SD |
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| 14:33.36 | Pneumatus | the zones after the starting zones only have a couple dozen people in each at the moment |
| 14:34.28 | ckknight | profalbert: shouldn't it be Deutsche Spielern? |
| 14:34.52 | profalbert | ckknight: no |
| 14:34.58 | Pneumatus | theres a guild called Les frenchies on EU also, which im assuming is full of frenchies |
| 14:35.09 | ckknight | well, depends on if you want singular or plural... |
| 14:35.11 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 14:35.14 | CIA-45 | 03cwdg * r79487 10LibBabble-Class-3.0/LibBabble-Class-3.0.lua: |
| 14:35.14 | CIA-45 | LibBabble-Class-3.0 |
| 14:35.14 | CIA-45 | - zhCN update |
| 14:35.31 | profalbert | ckknight: Spieler is the same singular and plural ;) |
| 14:35.38 | ckknight | srsly? |
| 14:35.39 | ckknight | okay then |
| 14:35.43 | profalbert | well sometimes |
| 14:35.43 | Tifi | yes |
| 14:35.48 | Bangerz | the prof would know |
| 14:35.49 | profalbert | depends |
| 14:36.31 | Pneumatus | but i dont think there are any developer guids on EU at least due to developers not having keys |
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| 14:37.26 | Pneumatus | it's nice getting out of the starting areas so you dont get 50 lines of "OMG IS IT LAGGING" on every spike in /1 |
| 14:37.50 | profalbert | you have /1 enabled? |
| 14:38.01 | Pneumatus | or people shouting at other people for not speaking english |
| 14:38.16 | Pneumatus | i use 1 as a zone-wide lfg :) |
| 14:38.37 | profalbert | they should speak fucking english, heh |
| 14:38.46 | Saroz | did anyone get their curse beta key yet :S |
| 14:39.10 | Pneumatus | on EU they are allowed to speak what they like, due to their not being specific french/german/spanish realms |
| 14:40.11 | profalbert | well, it's their own fualt... if i see "<insert french stuff here>, svp", I won't help him |
| 14:40.32 | profalbert | even IF i understand |
| 14:40.47 | Pneumatus | well thats the bottom line, if you cant/wont speak english then you're only going to get help from people that speak your own language |
| 14:40.55 | Pneumatus | which is gonna be a fairly small percentage of the population |
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| 14:52.08 | Kolie | sylvanaar, you were asking about how far I was with the new updater? |
| 14:52.33 | CIA-45 | 03doktorjet * r79488 10GatherMate/ (GatherMate.toc Locales/GatherMate-ruRU.lua): GatherMate: updated russian locale, added ruRU notes to .toc |
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| 14:54.53 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79489 10CastYeller/CastYeller/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:54.53 | CIA-45 | CastYeller: |
| 14:54.53 | CIA-45 | - smoke test passed, |
| 14:54.54 | CIA-45 | - updated most of the configuration UI, |
| 14:54.54 | CIA-45 | - lots of typos. |
| 14:56.49 | jaxdahl2 | crushing blows will now be only from mobs +4 levels, which precludes bosses |
| 14:57.19 | jaxdahl2 | source: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557065994&pageNo=1&sid=2000#7 |
| 14:59.56 | Pneumatus | so bosses won't be crushing anymore? o.O |
| 15:00.19 | Kolie | No but they make them harder in other ways now :) |
| 15:00.31 | Pneumatus | unless they decide to make end-game instance bosses effectively 84, rather than the expected 83 |
| 15:01.29 | jaxdahl2 | they won't |
| 15:02.00 | jaxdahl2 | wonder if there will be any level 84 elites though |
| 15:02.05 | jaxdahl2 | or mobs |
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| 15:04.10 | Pneumatus | possibly in raid dungeons |
| 15:05.03 | Pneumatus | mind you, 73 elites aren't that common |
| 15:05.42 | Pneumatus | most current 73 elites are friendly |
| 15:06.08 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79490 10CastYeller/CastYeller/CastYeller.lua: CastYeller: configuration done. |
| 15:07.10 | Pneumatus | theres the big patrolling guy in nagrand, and KTs advisors in the eye |
| 15:07.14 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?npcs&filter=cl=1:2;minle=73;maxle=80 |
| 15:07.18 | Pneumatus | and the kara rare spawns |
| 15:07.45 | Pneumatus | and the fehunters summoned from olm |
| 15:08.24 | Pneumatus | yeh, not many at all |
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| 15:18.03 | CIA-45 | TweakHub: |
| 15:18.03 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:19.31 | CIA-45 | 03LordFarlander * r79494 10MiniPet/README.txt: |
| 15:19.31 | CIA-45 | MiniPet: |
| 15:19.31 | CIA-45 | - Updated Readme |
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| 15:20.21 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_Automation: |
| 15:20.21 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
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| 15:22.28 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_Chat: |
| 15:22.28 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:22.34 | Matrix110 | Bratender bombarding me with errors QQ |
| 15:22.39 | Matrix110 | *bar |
| 15:22.52 | Saroz | BRATENDER |
| 15:22.53 | Saroz | hahaha |
| 15:23.15 | Saroz | writes down idea for name of addon |
| 15:23.32 | CIA-45 | 03killermiles * r79497 10TweakHub_CombatLogger/Libs/: |
| 15:23.32 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_CombatLogger: |
| 15:23.32 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:23.51 | Matrix110 | hmmk it tells me it cant find Libkeybound-1.0 even though its loaded |
| 15:23.52 | Matrix110 | hmmk |
| 15:24.52 | CIA-45 | 03killermiles * r79498 10TweakHub_Merchant/Libs/: |
| 15:24.52 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_Merchant: |
| 15:24.52 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:24.55 | Matrix110 | reloadui fixed it weird |
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| 15:26.31 | CIA-45 | 03killermiles * r79499 10TweakHub_Minimap/Libs/: |
| 15:26.31 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_Minimap: |
| 15:26.31 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:26.44 | CIA-45 | 03killermiles * r79500 10TweakHub_RWFilter/Libs/: |
| 15:26.44 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_RWFilter: |
| 15:26.44 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:27.08 | Zyndrome | Bratender D: |
| 15:27.26 | Zyndrome | "Ignores all messages from players below your own level" |
| 15:27.37 | CIA-45 | 03killermiles * r79501 10TweakHub_Reputation/Libs/: |
| 15:27.37 | CIA-45 | TweakHub_Reputation: |
| 15:27.37 | CIA-45 | - Fixed external references |
| 15:27.38 | Lanerra | Is there a way to make the ingame clock show local time? Or perhaps give it an offset of 'x' hours, or something? |
| 15:27.52 | Megalon | bratender, could be an anti-goldspam addon :D |
| 15:28.07 | CIA-45 | 03ulic * r79502 10LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua: LibBars-1.0: Whoops, undid some stuff that I commited but didn't mean to in r79440 |
| 15:31.23 | Megalon | Lanerra: if you click on the 'day/nigh' symbol on the minimap, i think there is a option to use the local time or the servers time |
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| 15:32.46 | Lanerra | Thanks |
| 15:32.50 | Pkekyo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.50 | Pkekyo| | Blizzard: 2+2=5 |
| 15:32.50 | Pkekyo| | Comunity: but 2+2=4 not 5 |
| 15:32.50 | Pkekyo| | Blizzard: 2+2=5 and it's true because it's OUR game |
| 15:32.50 | Pkekyo| | Comunity: yes but WE pay for it so 2+2 must be 4 |
| 15:32.51 | Pkekyo| | Blizzard: alright, you drive a hard bargain but we will fix this. From now on 2+2=4+1 |
| 15:32.51 | Pkekyo| | Comunity: wtf ? |
| 15:32.53 | Pkekyo| | chuckles |
| 15:33.42 | ZealotOnAStick | Is there someone handy that reads German? |
| 15:33.54 | Megalon | ZealotOnAStick: what do you need? |
| 15:34.24 | Matrix110 | Reading german is not the problem the translation is:P |
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| 15:34.41 | Matrix110 | But what do you need? |
| 15:34.50 | dodga | I can read too! :> |
| 15:35.34 | profalbert | ZealotOnAStick: what do you need? |
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| 15:35.53 | Megalon | i think he just wanted to know who can read german on this channel >:P |
| 15:36.38 | profalbert | shrugs |
| 15:37.21 | ZealotOnAStick | sorry, was tabbed a minute |
| 15:37.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Lemme pasty something, and you can tell me what it's trying to do. autotranslation on it was less than helpful. |
| 15:37.48 | Tifi | is one of "the Ace Admins" here that could help me get an SVN account? |
| 15:38.09 | Matrix110 | they cant |
| 15:38.12 | Matrix110 | you have to sign the rules |
| 15:38.14 | Matrix110 | and write a mail |
| 15:38.18 | Tifi | i did |
| 15:38.23 | Tifi | both |
| 15:38.23 | Matrix110 | then wait:P |
| 15:38.32 | Matrix110 | Kaelten is sometimes slow |
| 15:38.43 | Tifi | i already waited for like... an hour! it's killing me! |
| 15:38.43 | profalbert | just wait 1 or 2 days |
| 15:38.46 | ZealotOnAStick | http://ace.pastey.net/92777 |
| 15:38.53 | Tifi | mh k -.- |
| 15:39.12 | Matrix110 | that is no german ZealotOnAStick :P |
| 15:39.20 | profalbert | ZealotOnAStick: hmm... that doesn't make ANY sense |
| 15:39.21 | ZealotOnAStick | What is it, then? |
| 15:39.23 | Matrix110 | thats already translated from english |
| 15:39.26 | Matrix110 | well its german words |
| 15:39.30 | Matrix110 | but looks like autotranslation |
| 15:39.55 | Megalon | ZealotOnAStick: that's already autotranslated to german i think :S |
| 15:39.59 | profalbert | "geschweige denn" <=> "never mind" definitly autotranslation |
| 15:40.08 | ZealotOnAStick | ok . . . |
| 15:40.16 | ZealotOnAStick | because the english portion of it is terrible too. |
| 15:40.28 | ZealotOnAStick | no wonder autotranslation was horrid, 2nd iteration. |
| 15:40.37 | Matrix110 | what bullshit is that anyway? |
| 15:40.42 | Matrix110 | some keystealing website? |
| 15:40.45 | ZealotOnAStick | That's what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 15:40.53 | Matrix110 | "www.anitihack.net email me: Keyprotect@support.com" |
| 15:40.56 | Matrix110 | lol |
| 15:40.58 | ZealotOnAStick | Someone submitted 2 projects with that same text. |
| 15:41.01 | profalbert | no... it's protecting you obviously |
| 15:41.03 | profalbert | lol |
| 15:41.14 | Matrix110 | ZealotOnAStick delete them |
| 15:41.19 | ZealotOnAStick | was trying to figure out what the frak they are. |
| 15:41.28 | charon | anitihack.net isn't even registered |
| 15:41.37 | ZealotOnAStick | if it was some genuine but misguided effort, or if it's some crap. |
| 15:41.40 | charon | Host anitihack.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 15:42.33 | Matrix110 | I guess it was oringally chinese orso :P |
| 15:42.38 | Matrix110 | then autotranslated |
| 15:43.12 | charon | i doubt it... an autotranslator wouldn't have used "skan", i suspect it's some language that transliterates it like that |
| 15:43.20 | Lanerra | Ah, so that's how you remove the border around the MiniMapTrackingIcon |
| 15:43.51 | Lanerra | Use the SetTexCoord thingy |
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| 15:46.17 | |stefan| | Primer did u figure out that pvp row 253 error ? =) |
| 15:46.34 | ZealotOnAStick | well, thanks for helping me confirm that it's a load of trash. |
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| 15:48.52 | profalbert | where can I find mobs that are immune to the immobilize-effect of feral charge? |
| 15:48.58 | profalbert | with lvl49? |
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| 15:54.13 | Aiiane | pick an instance boss, any instance boss? |
| 15:54.32 | profalbert | well, they weren't immune in WC |
| 15:54.42 | Aiiane | not even the last one? |
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| 15:55.10 | Aiiane | and/or the boar? |
| 15:55.12 | profalbert | i have to kill all other bosses to get to him, right? |
| 15:55.35 | Aiiane | or wait, the boar is in rfk isnt it |
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| 15:56.12 | profalbert | there are immune mobs in rfc? |
| 15:56.18 | Aiiane | i dont remember exactly profalbert, it's been ages since I went to wc |
| 15:56.28 | profalbert | same here ;) |
| 15:56.36 | Aiiane | doubt there are in rfc |
| 15:59.48 | |stefan| | is there any good help channel for wowui coding ? =) |
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| 16:00.13 | |stefan| | i mean this is for wowace =) i don't want to clutter this channel with other issues. |
| 16:00.40 | Aiiane | you'd have a hard time cluttering this channel |
| 16:00.54 | |stefan| | heh =) |
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| 16:00.55 | Aiiane | to any noticable degree beyond that which it already is |
| 16:01.40 | Yssaril | |stefan|: i would try here and also at #WoWUIDev |
| 16:02.19 | |stefan| | the code here. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=11114&sid=1&topicId=3913731994&pageNo=1& . on the last post. used on CharacterFrame gives me an error in the pvp frames. Interface\FrameXML\PVPFrame.lua:253: attempt to index field 'CharacterFrame' (a nil value): |
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| 16:04.43 | Aiiane | I'd suggest asking Xinhuan about it |stefan| |
| 16:04.58 | Aiiane | since he's the person who posted the code you're asking about |
| 16:05.04 | |stefan| | Aiiane i don't have a us account ;) |
| 16:05.14 | Aiiane | |stefan|, he's in this channel |
| 16:05.20 | Aiiane | points at Xinhuan |
| 16:05.21 | |stefan| | oh =) heh |
| 16:05.27 | |stefan| | Xinhuan *poke* |
| 16:05.29 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 16:05.39 | |stefan| | i need some assistance if you got the time =) |
| 16:05.48 | Xinhuan | about? |
| 16:06.09 | |stefan| | Xinhuan http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=11114&sid=1&topicId=3913731994&pageNo=1& your post there. i'm using that code and i'm getting errors i don't understand. |
| 16:06.26 | Xinhuan | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:07.05 | CIA-45 | 03durcyn * r79503 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: tweak OnTextUpdate db reference scope so it doesn't break with FuBar2Broker |
| 16:07.26 | |stefan| | Xinhuan trying to avoid getting windows pushed around when i open more than 1 |
| 16:07.50 | Xinhuan | read the last post |
| 16:07.57 | Xinhuan | which part of it do you not understand? |
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| 16:09.07 | Lanerra | slams head into desk repeatedly |
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| 16:10.00 | |stefan| | Xinhuan sorry i must have misread it before =) i used those 3 lines of code to get this effect. and it worked. i seem to get this error though. nterface\FrameXML\PVPFrame.lua:253: attempt to index field 'CharacterFrame' (a nil value): |
| 16:10.10 | clad|away | yes |
| 16:10.17 | clad|away | because what was said in #wowi-lounge |
| 16:10.21 | clad|away | by malreth |
| 16:10.29 | clad|away | hence why doing these things in two channels is confusing :P |
| 16:10.46 | Lanerra | Oh, howdy, clad |
| 16:11.07 | Xinhuan | well |stefan|, remove line 2 from that 3 lines of code |
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| 16:11.19 | |stefan| | clad|away really sorry |
| 16:11.27 | clad|away | not a problem, just trying to help |
| 16:11.34 | Xinhuan | and make sure you add a ShowUIPanel("CharacterFrame") instead in front |
| 16:12.01 | |stefan| | ok i'll test it. |
| 16:12.15 | Xinhuan | so line 1 should be ShowUIPanel("CharacterFrame"), the hide it the same way |
| 16:12.23 | Xinhuan | then set the attribute to nil |
| 16:12.29 | Xinhuan | then* |
| 16:13.16 | Yssaril | is wowcompares down? |
| 16:13.32 | |stefan| | Yssaril seems they are updating the serversoftware |
| 16:13.49 | Yssaril | cool |
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| 16:15.46 | |stefan| | Xinhuan now i'm getting an error with something about the flightpath =) "you don't know any flightpaths" something. and i get a ui error. |
| 16:16.01 | Xinhuan | i highly suggest you don't mess around with the Character Frame ;p |
| 16:16.22 | Xinhuan | without looking into the base UI code and seeing how the code interacts specifically with that frame |
| 16:16.28 | CIA-45 | 03doktorjet * r79504 10Postal/Locales/ruRU.lua: Postal: - major fix of russian localization file. Lots of typos removed and unreadable machine translation changed to look more like human language. =) |
| 16:16.29 | Xinhuan | i dont' know whats "right" to fix it |
| 16:16.53 | Xinhuan | also, i doubt flightpaths have anything to do with the character frame |
| 16:17.07 | |stefan| | no i'm messing around with alot of frames =) |
| 16:17.25 | |stefan| | but i just don't want the windows moved around when opening windows. |
| 16:18.07 | |stefan| | InspectPaperDollFrame.lua:63 Usage SetUnit("unit") |
| 16:18.11 | |stefan| | is what i'm getting now |
| 16:18.41 | |stefan| | and. "you don't know any flightpaths connected to this one" even though i'm in the bank. |
| 16:18.42 | |stefan| | heh |
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| 16:24.35 | |stefan| | haha ah now i know why =) nvm |
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| 16:27.04 | Xinhuan | fairly sure it won't be to do with those 3 lines of code ;p |
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| 16:27.17 | |stefan| | Xinhuan yea i just figured it out =) |
| 16:27.38 | |stefan| | i got a list with frames that it parses through |
| 16:28.13 | |stefan| | and the taxi and inspect frame is in there. and showui yea well =) doesn't work that way. |
| 16:28.49 | CIA-45 | 03doktorjet * r79505 10FuBar_AmmoFu/ (AmmoFuLocale-ruRU.lua FuBar_AmmoFu.toc): |
| 16:28.49 | CIA-45 | FuBar_AmmoFu: |
| 16:28.49 | CIA-45 | - added russian (ruRU) localization and .toc notes |
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| 16:30.19 | |stefan| | hmm. apparently all windows doesn't have the "onshow" event |
| 16:30.21 | |stefan| | strange |
| 16:30.37 | Xinhuan | they don't |
| 16:30.56 | Xinhuan | their position is based off ShowUIPanel() functino code in UIParent.lua |
| 16:31.08 | |stefan| | is there a trigger i can use ? |
| 16:31.32 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 16:31.35 | |stefan| | i need something similar to onshow onhide |
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| 16:31.38 | Xinhuan | set an OnShow script |
| 16:31.43 | Xinhuan | to the frame then |
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| 16:32.01 | Xinhuan | check if one already exists, it it does, hook it, if it doesn't, set one |
| 16:32.16 | Pkekyo| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXwA3xmIybs&feature=related lmfao |
| 16:32.32 | |stefan| | freaking hook routines. hate it. i can't really figure any good code for that. |
| 16:32.47 | |stefan| | read. not experienced enough =) |
| 16:33.24 | Xinhuan | local a = CharacterFrame:GetScript("OnShow") |
| 16:34.17 | Xinhuan | if a then CharacterFrame:HookScript("OnShow", somefunc) else CharacterFrame:SetScript("OnShow", somefunc) end |
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| 16:34.35 | |stefan| | there's a hookscript function ? wth.. |
| 16:34.39 | |stefan| | easy as pie then. |
| 16:34.45 | Xinhuan | yeah i believe its a secure hook by blizzard |
| 16:34.48 | pastamancer | it is |
| 16:34.49 | Xinhuan | so that you don't taint ShowUiParent |
| 16:35.03 | |stefan| | sigh =) thanks! |
| 16:35.09 | Xinhuan | the problem is if there isn't a OnShow script |
| 16:35.14 | Xinhuan | if you set your own onshow script, you will taint |
| 16:35.33 | Xinhuan | because ShowUIPanel() will call frame:Show() |
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| 16:38.47 | |stefan| | now. i still got the issue where my frames are getting moved by the ui functions when i got several windows open |
| 16:39.00 | Lanerra | How does one set the border of a frame? Is it :SetBorder? |
| 16:39.12 | Lanerra | I'm trying to look it up but can't find it anywhere |
| 16:39.14 | |stefan| | i can simply just set them back to the position i want if i knew a good event to catch |
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| 16:40.41 | Lanerra | Aneone? |
| 16:41.29 | Xinhuan | you have to ShowUIPanel(), HideUIPanel(), then nil enabled the attribute |
| 16:42.01 | |stefan| | Xinhuan ye but that doesn't really work with the framelist i got since i get the taxi and inspect errors. |
| 16:42.18 | |stefan| | but i guess i could set a variable in the list to separate the do's and don't |
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| 16:43.34 | Xinhuan | or u can figure out why the teaxi frame causes errors ;p |
| 16:44.21 | |stefan| | it's because i try to open the taxiframe when i'm not even close to a taxi dude |
| 16:44.23 | Neya | Lanerra, depends on how the border is made, I usually set them with :setbackdrop if I can. |
| 16:44.28 | |stefan| | this list gets parsed on init |
| 16:45.02 | Lanerra | Thanks, Neya |
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| 16:48.02 | |stefan| | Xinhuan i disabled loot/taxi/inspect frame and now it's working |
| 16:48.14 | |stefan| | thanks everyone for your help =) |
| 16:48.16 | Xinhuan | why are you trying to open the taxi frame when not next to ataxi dude ;p |
| 16:48.30 | |stefan| | i'm just processing it for moving =) |
| 16:48.44 | |stefan| | and ofc trying to get the least amount of code to do it |
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| 16:49.00 | Xinhuan | u could test it AT the gryphon master! |
| 16:49.06 | Venara | /msg Q@CServe.quakenet.org AUTH Venara 91396495 |
| 16:49.09 | |stefan| | hehe |
| 16:49.12 | Venara | ups |
| 16:49.18 | Venara | das soltle nicht hierher :p |
| 16:49.20 | kenlyric | hahaha! |
| 16:49.23 | |stefan| | Venara i didn't see nothing i promise |
| 16:49.29 | Venara | ;> |
| 16:50.18 | Aii | dont worry, I won't remember it |
| 16:50.24 | Aii | cough*but my logs will*cough |
| 16:50.52 | Gagorian | hmmmmm! |
| 16:52.11 | Aii | mmmmmh? |
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| 16:53.31 | Lanerra | Alrighty...in my script I have TimeManagerClockButton:SetBackdrop(nil) set, and yet it doesn't seem to be working...however, if I run that same thing through the /script command it works. Anyone know why that is? I'm baffled o.O |
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| 16:54.26 | Aii | um, when is your script running it |
| 16:54.49 | Lanerra | At PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 16:55.09 | Xinhuan | add a ChatFrame1:AddMessage() statement right after your function |
| 16:55.12 | Xinhuan | to see if your functino ran |
| 16:55.23 | Lanerra | Alrighty |
| 16:58.27 | Lanerra | Crap, I think I did the code wrong. Would it be ChatFrame1:AddMessage(TimeManagerClockButton:GetBackdrop())? |
| 16:58.45 | Lanerra | Sorry, I'm still learning how to do all this |
| 16:58.59 | Lanerra | Because nothing showed up in the ChatFrame |
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| 16:59.25 | Aii | no |
| 16:59.38 | Xinhuan | did you register for the PLAYER_LOGIN event then? |
| 16:59.42 | Aii | just ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Oh hai, it ran"); |
| 16:59.48 | Aii | after the code line :P |
| 17:00.15 | Lanerra | Yeah, I registered it |
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| 17:00.40 | Xinhuan | nah the addmessage is just to test whether that block of code ran |
| 17:01.03 | Lanerra | So, since it's set to nil does that mean that nothing is supposed to show in the Chatframe? |
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| 17:03.22 | Neya | doesn't AddMessage() throw an error when you give a nilvalue? I might mix it up with something else. |
| 17:03.32 | Xinhuan | just addmessage("haha") |
| 17:03.33 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 17:03.40 | Xinhuan | so if you see "haha" printed out, then you know the code ran |
| 17:03.47 | Xinhuan | if you didn't, the code didn't run |
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| 17:03.56 | Xinhuan | that's debugging |
| 17:03.57 | CIA-45 | 03doktorjet * r79507 10OneBag/localizations/OneCore.lua: OneBag: OOPS! Sorry, forgotten to upload OneCore.lua for russian localization. |
| 17:04.07 | Lanerra | Oh, I see. My bad |
| 17:04.48 | Xinhuan | then once you figure out what is the cause, say the code didn't run, then find out why the code didn't run |
| 17:05.03 | Lanerra | Yup, it fired |
| 17:05.34 | CIA-45 | 03Allara * r79508 10HitsMode/HitsMode.lua: HitsMode: Help window now opens correctly (was broken with patch 2.4.3) |
| 17:05.44 | Xinhuan | that means maybe you ran the code too early, and blizzard code could have reset the background back after your code ran |
| 17:06.09 | Lanerra | I see...stupid Blizzard code...how would I go about fixing this? |
| 17:06.18 | Xinhuan | figure out where the code exists in blizzard UI |
| 17:06.18 | Neya | it might also mean that the frame you are removing the backdrop on doesn't use a backdrop but sets it as layers. |
| 17:06.33 | Xinhuan | well he said he works using /script |
| 17:07.26 | CIA-45 | 03saroz * r79509 10sRaidFrames_QuickHealth/sRaidFrames_QuickHealth.lua: sRaidFrames_QuickHealth: Fix |
| 17:08.04 | Lanerra | Alrighty, I'll have a poke around then. Thanks for the help, guys :) |
| 17:17.34 | CIA-45 | 03elsia * r79510 10Broker_Recount/: |
| 17:17.34 | CIA-45 | Broker_Recount: |
| 17:17.34 | CIA-45 | - Initial Commit preparation |
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| 17:22.22 | Lanerra | Oddly enough the xml for the Blizzard_TimeManager shows that it uses layers... |
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| 17:24.28 | Neya | a little here and there you can find such things aye. |
| 17:24.52 | Lanerra | But, if that's the case, why does SetBackdrop override that? Aren't they two entirely different things? |
| 17:25.16 | Neya | they are, setbackdrop cannot override it no. |
| 17:25.41 | Lanerra | Ugh...this is going to make me pull my damned hair out |
| 17:25.47 | CIA-45 | 03elsia * r79511 10Broker_Recount/ (. Broker_Recount.lua Broker_Recount.toc icon.tga): |
| 17:25.47 | CIA-45 | Broker_Recount: |
| 17:25.47 | CIA-45 | - Committing actual code. |
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| 17:27.31 | Chompers | Broker recount? |
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| 17:31.19 | aestil | anyone messing with a spriest in beta? |
| 17:31.29 | aestil | i'm curious if the nerf to VT allows Spriests to be top tier dps? |
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| 17:35.53 | Aeyan | I'm wondering if I should say screw it to those two talent points in imp VE, heh |
| 17:36.02 | CIA-45 | 03danielbarron * r79512 10RaidBuffStatus/ (Locale-esES.lua RaidBuffStatus.toc ReadMe.txt): |
| 17:36.02 | CIA-45 | RaidBuffStatus: |
| 17:36.02 | CIA-45 | - Updated Spanish translations. |
| 17:36.02 | aestil | on live? |
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| 17:36.05 | aestil | or beta? |
| 17:36.09 | Aeyan | With the dps increase, I'm not even sure my pally tank friend could handle it. |
| 17:36.10 | Aeyan | Beta |
| 17:36.21 | Aeyan | Well, when beta becomes live anyway |
| 17:36.22 | aestil | ok, so you do more dmg than we used to? |
| 17:36.23 | Aeyan | Speculation |
| 17:36.31 | Aeyan | I'm not in beta, yet =P |
| 17:36.37 | aestil | fail. |
| 17:36.41 | NeoTron_ | SP's have to do more damage |
| 17:36.51 | Aeyan | On paper, they will. |
| 17:36.53 | NeoTron_ | like crits doing 100% more dmg for starters |
| 17:37.00 | Aeyan | We'll have to see for scaling |
| 17:37.05 | NeoTron_ | since MB/SW:D is a major source of damage for shadow priests |
| 17:37.17 | Kuosi | would be fine if they nerfed the mana gain from vt slightly but boosted personal dps =( |
| 17:37.30 | NeoTron_ | Kuosi: ... they are? |
| 17:37.35 | Kuosi | i wish |
| 17:37.45 | Aeyan | -60% off backlash damage from SW:D is nice |
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| 17:37.56 | aestil | its about time. |
| 17:38.02 | aestil | thats shouldn't even be a talent. |
| 17:38.03 | Aeyan | Kuosi: They are. |
| 17:38.15 | Kuosi | how? |
| 17:38.18 | aestil | there is also less time puttin gup dots, right? |
| 17:38.33 | Kuosi | is there new patch notes for beta somewhere |
| 17:38.43 | NeoTron_ | Kuosi: Vampiric Touch is nerfed to 2% mana return vs 5% |
| 17:38.46 | aestil | you can look at the talent trees at wowhead.com |
| 17:38.50 | Kuosi | ah |
| 17:39.02 | NeoTron_ | crits gaining another 50% bonus damage.. |
| 17:39.07 | NeoTron_ | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=b |
| 17:39.18 | Fisker- | attacks Neothor |
| 17:39.20 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 17:39.22 | Fisker- | attacks NeoTron |
| 17:39.23 | NeoTron_ | Twisted Faith is pretty hot too |
| 17:39.40 | Aeyan | Oh yes |
| 17:39.43 | NeoTron_ | Pain and Suffering is really nice since you no longer worry about SW:P |
| 17:39.49 | Chompers | "We're currently getting back to work on the Warrior, expect changes in an upcoming build" |
| 17:39.50 | Chompers | om nom nom |
| 17:40.28 | NeoTron_ | so I wonder if an imp wit 80% aoe avoidance will stand a chance |
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| 17:40.29 | CIA-45 | Broker_Recount: |
| 17:40.29 | CIA-45 | - Added LibDataBroker-1.1.lua, fixed toc. |
| 17:40.39 | NeoTron_ | or 80% aoe damage reduction rather |
| 17:40.43 | Aeyan | 20% chance he esplodes |
| 17:40.47 | Aeyan | Ah, reduction |
| 17:40.53 | NeoTron_ | I believe it's reduction' |
| 17:40.59 | NeoTron_ | if it was avoidance it'd still be useless |
| 17:41.06 | NeoTron_ | I think though it should be more like 90% |
| 17:41.09 | NeoTron_ | but it might work |
| 17:41.14 | CIA-45 | 03elsia * r79514 10Broker_Recount/ (. Broker_Recount.toc): |
| 17:41.14 | CIA-45 | Broker_Recount: |
| 17:41.14 | CIA-45 | - And fix toc. |
| 17:41.25 | NeoTron_ | considering how CoH, chain heal etc are raid wide heals that'll get the pet |
| 17:41.36 | kagaro | aestil: when I get my beta key ill be testing it my main is a spriest |
| 17:41.37 | NeoTron_ | worst case NOW is naj'entus with 8k aoe |
| 17:41.44 | NeoTron_ | and an imp would survive 20% of that most likely |
| 17:41.57 | Aeyan | As will I, my main is also a spriest |
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| 17:42.07 | kadrahil | i want a beta key :( |
| 17:42.26 | Xinhuan | felmyst, Gas Nova ;p |
| 17:42.31 | NeoTron_ | I will bring the hard questions for locks |
| 17:42.31 | aestil | kagaro: i'm hoping the nerf to VT jus tmeans we aren't a dps liability anymore. |
| 17:42.45 | NeoTron_ | I'm itching right now reading some of the stupid beta forum lock posts |
| 17:42.52 | ag` | new talents seems very nice in shadow |
| 17:42.56 | NeoTron_ | aestil: you really never were |
| 17:43.08 | kagaro | with potion sickness i dont think so, we will be a mana battery still |
| 17:43.13 | NeoTron_ | aestil: yes you do 1400 DPS maybe but usually the healing and mana return make it more than worth it |
| 17:43.29 | aestil | it depends honestly. its a fine line on brutalis. |
| 17:43.34 | NeoTron_ | in SWP especially that healing is worth enough for me to make our SP' |
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| 17:43.40 | NeoTron_ | pick up imp VE |
| 17:43.44 | [Liquidor] | What happened to http://wowcompares.com ? any replacement or similar site? |
| 17:43.50 | NeoTron_ | we've done brutallus with 3 SPs |
| 17:44.06 | NeoTron_ | last night we did it with 8 healers for a first time |
| 17:44.08 | aestil | could you have done that when you first got theree? |
| 17:44.11 | NeoTron_ | THAT was a very thin line |
| 17:44.14 | aestil | you're talking about after gear. |
| 17:44.18 | NeoTron_ | aestil: we had 2 then |
| 17:44.28 | aestil | you had them in the dps groups then? |
| 17:44.31 | NeoTron_ | never done it with less than 2, quite possibly could ahve with 3 |
| 17:44.38 | NeoTron_ | healer groups |
| 17:44.53 | NeoTron_ | only with 3 did the warlocks get a SP and the gain from that is a lot |
| 17:45.00 | NeoTron_ | 150 dps per warlock maybe |
| 17:45.01 | aestil | we have a fail spriest though. she's nly doing 1470 dps on brut kills |
| 17:45.08 | NeoTron_ | which means the DPS liability isn't really a liability |
| 17:45.16 | falconindy | 1470 isn't too shabby for a spriest on brut |
| 17:45.19 | Primer | |stefan|: perhaps you have me confused with someone else |
| 17:45.20 | aestil | and she has 1338 unbuffed shadow dmg and like 270 haste. |
| 17:45.21 | NeoTron_ | 1470 dps is really good? |
| 17:45.48 | Primer | |stefan|: as I don't know what you mean by "pvp row 253 error" |
| 17:45.56 | aestil | last night, on a spriest with less dmg and way less haste i did 1420 dps on m'uru p1. she should be pushing 1550 or something. |
| 17:46.06 | NeoTron_ | our SP's did, last night, 1314 and 1397 respectively |
| 17:46.25 | kagaro | aestil i push almost 1500 with 1300 dam and 120 haste |
| 17:46.32 | aestil | right. |
| 17:46.36 | Aeyan | You really can't break 1500 or so as a shadow priest |
| 17:46.42 | aestil | on m'uru i was the only drums, and i wasn't in a 'dps' group |
| 17:46.44 | Aeyan | Thus the dps failure =P |
| 17:46.46 | NeoTron_ | scaling isn't exactly linear with stats |
| 17:46.53 | NeoTron_ | for a SP |
| 17:46.54 | kadrahil | i can only break 2k on my hunter :( |
| 17:47.03 | kadrahil | but they don't give me party buffs |
| 17:47.05 | Aeyan | Yeah, shadow priest scaling is bad |
| 17:47.06 | kadrahil | because my guild sucks |
| 17:47.18 | NeoTron_ | hunters usually get gimp groups |
| 17:47.27 | kagaro | aestil: check your sprits rotation to where its failing |
| 17:47.31 | NeoTron_ | not because people don't like hunters but because there usually isn't a good option |
| 17:47.51 | kagaro | il guess she/he refreshing dots too early and letting them fall off |
| 17:47.59 | NeoTron_ | Brutallus was brutal with 8 healers though |
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| 17:48.12 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: my guild has also given madness of the betrayer to 2 melee so far, both hunters still wearing hourglass. |
| 17:48.14 | aestil | spriests in dps groups seems like a better idea. |
| 17:48.21 | kadrahil | loot council. |
| 17:48.26 | aestil | like, 3 hunters, 1 shaman and 1 spriest |
| 17:48.29 | aestil | = asplode boss? |
| 17:48.39 | kadrahil | 3 hunters, shaman, and feral druid |
| 17:48.41 | kadrahil | would be better |
| 17:48.45 | falconindy | http://wowwebstats.com/deuq6fokcffs1?s=6114-6425 <- 5 min brut kil w/ SP at 1600 |
| 17:48.46 | NeoTron_ | mainly because we had lesser MT (backup feral vs the main feral who's on vacation) so we were threat constrained |
| 17:49.04 | kagaro | shaman, spriest,2 lock, boomkin |
| 17:49.10 | NeoTron_ | to be exact I was threat constrained at 2000-2200 DPS vs having done 2700 DPS on the same fight just fine |
| 17:49.19 | aestil | we don't raid a boomkin |
| 17:49.25 | kadrahil | we don't either |
| 17:49.26 | Aeyan | With perfect gear, shadow priests could probably pull off 1700-1800 dps or so |
| 17:49.29 | kadrahil | people want one but they won't get one |
| 17:49.30 | kagaro | yeah i lost mine a few months back :( |
| 17:49.31 | NeoTron_ | aestil: we usually do sp for dps |
| 17:49.32 | Aeyan | With like, 1400 +dmg and 400 spell haste |
| 17:49.37 | NeoTron_ | but not on brutallus since dps never was our issue |
| 17:50.08 | aestil | anyways, i have to start raiding on a rogue now. |
| 17:50.11 | falconindy | on a short enough brut kill with top gear, an SP could probably do 1700 spamming MB at every CD... i doubt you'll see much higher than that just because their spell coefficients are so poor |
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| 17:50.13 | Aeyan | Compare that to say, a warlock, who could 2500 dps with 1200 +dmg and crappy haste =P |
| 17:50.15 | aestil | wtf is up with a server that has no good rogues. |
| 17:50.19 | kadrahil | :o |
| 17:50.37 | NeoTron_ | aestil: but warlocks dont heal and feed mana to the party! |
| 17:50.38 | durcyn | NeoTron_: i don't know, sub-5-minute brut kills are kind of nice tbh |
| 17:50.39 | kadrahil | go get your glaives |
| 17:50.44 | NeoTron_ | if you want to compare, compare to an affliction warlock |
| 17:50.52 | falconindy | 5 min brut kills inflate your dps like no other |
| 17:50.53 | aestil | NeoTron_ i didn't say that :) |
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| 17:50.57 | NeoTron_ | durcyn: yeah but MT dying kills isn't fun |
| 17:50.58 | Aeyan | NeoTron_: I love my spriest =P |
| 17:51.07 | Aeyan | Just have to put it in context is all, hehe |
| 17:51.21 | kadrahil | i have a spriest but she's still way undergeared to do anything useful |
| 17:51.24 | kadrahil | can't even dps in heroics |
| 17:51.25 | NeoTron_ | durcyn: I hate having to put an emphasis on healing still with all SWP upgrades but I have to |
| 17:51.30 | NeoTron_ | 8 healers was an experiment though |
| 17:51.34 | kadrahil | basically i just hit 70 with her and let her rot :( |
| 17:51.50 | NeoTron_ | I took my 70 hunter to ZA |
| 17:51.51 | CIA-45 | 03elsia * r79515 10Broker_Recount/: |
| 17:51.51 | CIA-45 | Broker_Recount: |
| 17:51.51 | CIA-45 | - Fix externals |
| 17:52.02 | aestil | we just got to m'uru last week. and our best attempt was around 30% P1 |
| 17:52.02 | NeoTron_ | I did like 650 DPS on Zul'jin |
| 17:52.07 | NeoTron_ | and I literally just made level 70 |
| 17:52.09 | kadrahil | lol |
| 17:52.12 | aestil | I have a feeling that this is gonna take us a while. |
| 17:52.12 | NeoTron_ | haven't even run a 5-man |
| 17:52.21 | kadrahil | that's about right for a fresh 70 |
| 17:52.29 | NeoTron_ | aestil: 30% p1 on your first week? that's insanely good |
| 17:52.36 | aestil | second week. |
| 17:52.40 | NeoTron_ | kadrahil: I've seen hunters in epics do worse |
| 17:52.46 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: so have i |
| 17:52.46 | aestil | but i think we had only 1 night on first week. |
| 17:52.48 | NeoTron_ | kadrahil: which says more about them |
| 17:52.48 | Kuosi | rather easy to gear sp tho |
| 17:52.50 | Kuosi | if u got money |
| 17:52.52 | durcyn | aestil: enjoy gravity balls! |
| 17:52.55 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: yeah. |
| 17:52.56 | durcyn | fuck i hate those. |
| 17:53.01 | Kuosi | frozen shadow set |
| 17:53.02 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: i've grouped with some pretty terrible hunters before |
| 17:53.03 | aestil | prior to this last night, our best attempt was 79% |
| 17:53.04 | Kuosi | spellstrikes |
| 17:53.07 | NeoTron_ | I even have my leveling pet (a bird, gotta love SCREECH) |
| 17:53.08 | Kuosi | belt of blasting |
| 17:53.10 | kadrahil | like people that use concussive shot in their rotation |
| 17:53.13 | kadrahil | on mobs that stand still |
| 17:53.16 | NeoTron_ | I got some "comments" from melee ... :P |
| 17:53.24 | Aeyan | SCREE! SCREE! SCREE! |
| 17:53.26 | Aeyan | Friggin birds |
| 17:53.33 | kadrahil | lol |
| 17:53.34 | NeoTron_ | I admit |
| 17:53.34 | CIA-45 | 03elsia * r79516 10Broker_Recount/Broker_Recount.toc: |
| 17:53.34 | CIA-45 | Broker_Recount: |
| 17:53.35 | CIA-45 | - Fix toc for CBH |
| 17:53.40 | NeoTron_ | I HATE getting a new pet at level 70 |
| 17:53.42 | Pneumatus | wtb fixed flying mount subzones :< |
| 17:53.46 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: it's not so bad now |
| 17:53.50 | NeoTron_ | spent an hour with a damn ravager doing dailies (and it's painful let me tell you) |
| 17:53.54 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: go to the netherwing mines and get a ravager |
| 17:54.03 | kadrahil | oh |
| 17:54.06 | NeoTron_ | he doesn't gain a happiness rank and then runs away when I go afk for a little bit |
| 17:54.14 | kadrahil | terrible |
| 17:54.17 | kadrahil | feed your pet |
| 17:54.18 | kadrahil | :P |
| 17:54.22 | NeoTron_ | I had been |
| 17:54.32 | Pneumatus | my hunter leveld and rfk boar forom 23 or whatever to 70 |
| 17:54.33 | NeoTron_ | I just didn't think about dismissing the pet when I went AFK |
| 17:54.38 | aestil | is there a mod that would somehow show ON the quartz cast bar, how many ticks of mind flay have happened? |
| 17:54.38 | Pneumatus | that was a bit of effort :) |
| 17:54.43 | NeoTron_ | seems instancing is the best way to level a pet |
| 17:54.53 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 17:55.03 | kadrahil | ravagers are still the highest raid dps pets too |
| 17:55.13 | NeoTron_ | I ran mechanar once, Zul'jin once, and hex lord/zul'jin once |
| 17:55.17 | NeoTron_ | that's all instancing I've done so far :P |
| 17:55.23 | Pneumatus | wind serpents cant be far behind tho |
| 17:55.26 | NeoTron_ | I am aware |
| 17:55.31 | kadrahil | wind serpents aren't that far |
| 17:55.38 | NeoTron_ | Pneumatus: ravagers crit more |
| 17:55.46 | kadrahil | wind serpents eat storm strikes too |
| 17:55.48 | NeoTron_ | and thus are better raid utility even if self dps is similar |
| 17:55.56 | NeoTron_ | true |
| 17:55.56 | Kuosi | wind serpent is best dps with enough crit |
| 17:56.15 | NeoTron_ | we had a good hunter tha tused one |
| 17:56.18 | NeoTron_ | he just vanished |
| 17:56.23 | NeoTron_ | been gone for a week and a half now |
| 17:56.28 | kadrahil | weird |
| 17:56.44 | NeoTron_ | even his friend that we recruited the same time doesn't know where he is |
| 17:56.48 | kadrahil | this freaking letter to yvette in tirisfal isn't dropping |
| 17:56.49 | kadrahil | :( |
| 17:56.52 | kadrahil | oh wow, heh |
| 17:56.54 | Aeyan | aestil: With lag and all, probably not accurately |
| 17:56.54 | NeoTron_ | and they have played together for a year |
| 17:56.56 | NeoTron_ | or more |
| 17:57.05 | Pneumatus | wonder how devilsaurs will compare |
| 17:57.15 | aestil | i was thinking something out of the combat log. |
| 17:57.18 | NeoTron_ | pretty similar I'm sure |
| 17:57.21 | Aeyan | Might not be too hard to just make a texture with second intervals marked on it though, hehe |
| 17:57.27 | NeoTron_ | devilsaurs probably will get an aoe fear ability or so |
| 17:57.38 | kadrahil | meh, generally if i complain on irc about something not dropping |
| 17:57.41 | kadrahil | it drops within the next kill |
| 17:57.45 | kadrahil | ot today |
| 17:57.46 | kadrahil | not* |
| 17:57.59 | NeoTron_ | so I haven't seen the caster ring from ZA chest drop ever |
| 17:58.04 | Aeyan | Well, I just worry because flay tends to tick again after I've stopped channeling frequently enough |
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| 17:58.11 | NeoTron_ | done at least 15 successful bear runs, more runs with 3/4 |
| 17:58.51 | NeoTron_ | also the t6 belt from brutallus stopped dropping when the price finally got to a level I'm willing to pay |
| 17:58.57 | NeoTron_ | this week we got 3 protector |
| 17:59.04 | NeoTron_ | thank goodness they were all needed |
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| 18:02.30 | kadrahil | we haven't had very many protector chests drop yet |
| 18:02.31 | kadrahil | like two |
| 18:02.38 | kadrahil | and one went to a shaman who gquit recently too |
| 18:02.45 | kadrahil | that was kind of bad |
| 18:04.10 | kadrahil | but we've only killed illidan i think 6 times |
| 18:04.14 | kadrahil | maybe 7 |
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| 18:04.17 | kadrahil | i lost count |
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| 18:05.56 | aestil | our b team is learning illidian now. |
| 18:06.10 | Nosrac | Is there a command to turn "MyFrame" into MyFrame? |
| 18:06.45 | CIA-45 | 03profalbert 07WotLK * r79518 10Parrot/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:06.45 | CIA-45 | Parrot: |
| 18:06.45 | CIA-45 | - merge those fixes from trunk |
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| 18:07.52 | CIA-45 | 03profalbert 07WotLK * r79519 10Parrot/Parrot.toc: |
| 18:07.52 | CIA-45 | Parrot: |
| 18:07.52 | CIA-45 | - rebump .toc |
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| 18:11.01 | Stan_ | Saroz: can I disable the tooltip stuff in sRF completly? |
| 18:11.05 | Stan_ | I want my standard tooltips^^ |
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| 18:11.46 | Cheads | aestil please don't say that, feels so bad still being in MH =) |
| 18:12.20 | aestil | our B team was hand fed strategies, group make ups and also 'performance' thresholds for where people sould be at. |
| 18:12.45 | aestil | so, the fact that they just killed council 2 weeks ago, and are learning illidian... shouldn't make you feel bad. |
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| 18:20.32 | Cheads | very casual guild with 10 new players every raid.. takes some time =) |
| 18:21.59 | aestil | each of our teams raids around 11 hours a week. |
| 18:22.03 | aestil | 3 nights. |
| 18:22.12 | Aii | somebody mind glacing over this quick and make sure I haven't made any obvious goofs: http://wowace.com/wiki/Ace3/Getting_Started |
| 18:22.29 | Aii | it's only partially complete at the moment but I figure I might as well get started :) |
| 18:25.33 | Zyndrome | oh boy, back in Sunwell tonight... everyone forgot one thing or another, and we fuck things up :p |
| 18:25.41 | Zyndrome | 1 month of slack = ugh |
| 18:25.53 | NeoTron_ | aestil: you have a b team? :P |
| 18:26.03 | aestil | yes. |
| 18:26.05 | NeoTron_ | ofc we cleared hyjal with alts and some pugs with only a few mains |
| 18:26.12 | aestil | no |
| 18:26.19 | aestil | we have a b team, its a full b team |
| 18:26.25 | aestil | like, they have there own raid leader. |
| 18:26.36 | NeoTron_ | got it |
| 18:26.36 | aestil | and they have there own progression. which, atm is killing illidian. |
| 18:26.46 | NeoTron_ | I was just reflecting on the idea |
| 18:27.00 | aestil | the upside is, we pretty much recurit to progression raid, from B team. |
| 18:27.07 | aestil | its like our tryout place for apps. |
| 18:27.21 | aestil | and occasionally progression raiders will need g ear or whatever, and they can go back and roll on it. |
| 18:27.40 | aestil | [being progression doesn't mean they just automatically get loot, they have a /roll just like anyone else who would need] |
| 18:27.54 | aestil | its worked very well so far. |
| 18:28.04 | aestil | it started back when TK and SSC were being raided. |
| 18:28.19 | aestil | we raided only 3 nights a week, so killing Vashj, and learning kael was like, impossible. |
| 18:28.39 | aestil | and we had like 15 - 20 people who would like to raid but weren't really good enough for hard fights, or couldn't keep our schedule. |
| 18:28.59 | aestil | so we formed another raid [at the time, it wasn't completely independent] and cleared like hydross, lurker, morogrim etc... |
| 18:29.36 | NeoTron_ | nod |
| 18:29.53 | NeoTron_ | my guild is large enough to support it but raiding 4 nights per week I'm not sure if it's doable |
| 18:29.54 | aestil | gave us a few extra vashj kills, and still time to learn kael. |
| 18:30.04 | aestil | we raid main raids on wed/sun/mon |
| 18:30.11 | aestil | and b team is tues/thurs/sat |
| 18:30.14 | NeoTron_ | I am considering, perhaps, to try some sort 3 day per week, optional 4th raid thing for wotlk |
| 18:30.30 | aestil | i like our schehdule. its worked well, although we don't expect to be like a top 10 guild. |
| 18:30.38 | NeoTron_ | you're about equal to us |
| 18:30.39 | aestil | we are happy were we are on the time spent/progression curve. |
| 18:30.43 | NeoTron_ | and we're 4x4 raiding guild |
| 18:30.58 | aestil | ima be back in a bit, lunch with the wife right now. |
| 18:31.09 | NeoTron_ | having a "b guild" clear most of BT/hyjal while we concentrate on SWP would be nice. now we just do it with the main raid |
| 18:31.28 | Kuosi | we raided 4days a week for 4h at time |
| 18:31.39 | Kuosi | wasnt that bad at vashj and kael tbh =( |
| 18:32.19 | Primer | heh, my guild is 5/5 Hyjal and 7/9 BT, and have not downed Vashj or Kael |
| 18:33.19 | Primer | so no one has their Hyjal rings |
| 18:33.31 | Primer | despite being exalted |
| 18:33.45 | NeoTron_ | glad they still kept that as a requirement |
| 18:33.51 | NeoTron_ | ofc I have not used my hyjal ring for a while |
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| 18:34.50 | falconindy | hyjal ring sucks for melee, but its amazing for just about everyone else |
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| 18:45.42 | Cheads | heh, just killed winterchill with only 2 tanks left.. rest dead . lucky =) |
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| 18:55.10 | Saroz | Stan_ normal unit tooltips? hrm no |
| 18:55.18 | Saroz | Stan_, could add an option I guess |
| 18:55.26 | Stan_ | that would be nice |
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| 19:04.28 | NeoTron_ | Bye crushing blow raid wipes. I will not miss you! |
| 19:06.52 | Dashkal | Where is fortress (LDB displayer) hosted? |
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| 19:17.38 | durcyn | on wowace, Dashkal |
| 19:17.53 | Dashkal | Yeah, finally found the thread |
| 19:18.06 | Pneumatus | i really wish RatingBuster was working on beta... i can't for the life of me remember how spirit converts to mp5 |
| 19:18.06 | Dashkal | wtb screenshots so I can choose it or SBC |
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| 19:20.37 | durcyn | it looks like a bunch of legoblocks. |
| 19:21.07 | durcyn | having tried both, i personally prefer fortress due to the ability to anchor blocks together and have them resize in an intelligent manner |
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| 19:23.38 | Dashkal | ahh, now that's a compelling reason to pick one :p |
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| 19:24.45 | dieck_ | hi there. is there any quest database addon like loot link for quests? |
| 19:25.20 | dieck_ | in order to get the "you already completed that quest" message like when sharing quests, so you can see at which point of a questline you are? |
| 19:26.14 | Nosrac | Hey, I'm trying to make a unit frames addon and am having trouble with my healthbar moving on UNIT_HEALTH. Here's my pastey: http://ace.pastey.net/92786 |
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| 19:31.36 | Aiiane | wait... are you creating a new frame on every UNIT_HEALTH event? o.0 |
| 19:32.59 | NeoTron_ | Aiiane: no.. two |
| 19:33.36 | Primer | I curious as to why a lot of addon code I see tends to use global variables and functions, as opposed to objects and their methods |
| 19:34.00 | NeoTron_ | Primer: bad programming? |
| 19:34.16 | Primer | even from prodigious developers? |
| 19:34.29 | Xinhuan | old school mods don't use tables |
| 19:34.40 | NeoTron_ | prodigious doesn't mean that they are good |
| 19:35.07 | Aiiane | NeoTron_: Same difference... but again, why are you creating new frame(s) every UNIT_HEALTH event, Nosrac? o_O |
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| 19:36.01 | Nosrac | Well, I don't want to create a new frame, but It seems like the only way I can set a variable to PantsHealthBar .. unitID |
| 19:36.20 | Nosrac | I can set it to "PantsHealtBar" .. unitID but then it freaks out =( |
| 19:36.33 | Aiiane | why not just keep a table of the frames |
| 19:36.49 | Aiiane | so you can have something along the lines of uidframes[unitID] |
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| 19:36.54 | Ackis | anyone having issues w/ bugsack/buggrabber on the beta? |
| 19:37.09 | Nosrac | I'll give that a try. Thanks Aiiane ;-) |
| 19:37.16 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: do you have the Ace2 WotLK branch? |
| 19:37.38 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: negative ghost rider I didn't know there was one... |
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| 19:38.20 | NeoTron_ | Primer: look at a lot of open source project, say eqdkp or heck worse the ctrt import plugin. written in php, language of sloppy, sure but that doesn't excuse how horribly badly the code is written |
| 19:38.39 | Ackis | ahh ace2 itself my bad |
| 19:39.10 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron_: those arent from good developers though |
| 19:39.32 | Arrowmaster | and are so poorly written that any good developer wouldnt fucking touch them |
| 19:40.15 | NeoTron_ | my point was that widely used from well known developers doesn't automatically make it good |
| 19:40.49 | kagaro | Ackis ping |
| 19:40.56 | Arrowmaster | like Ace2 or Rock? |
| 19:41.04 | Ackis | kagaro: pong |
| 19:41.15 | kagaro | ive got a script for you if you want it |
| 19:41.54 | Ackis | I saw the PM :) |
| 19:42.27 | NeoTron_ | Arrowmaster: sure |
| 19:44.07 | Nosrac | Aiiane: It works! Thanks! |
| 19:44.20 | NeoTron_ | Arrowmaster: although I couldn't tell you since I haven't looked at the code |
| 19:44.33 | Aiiane | yw, Nosrac |
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| 19:48.21 | Kazie | Is there any way to make Clearfont2 change the damage text? that pops up over the enemies head? |
| 19:48.48 | Kazie | i tried changing the font skurri in world or warcraft/fonts/ but it didn't work and that's what it said in the readme of CF2 :s |
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| 19:52.24 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: with wotlk ace2 it works |
| 19:52.59 | Ackis | cept that it doesn't pop up on the mini-map :P (oh noes) |
| 19:53.28 | Zyndrome | proceeds to smash his face against the wall |
| 19:53.38 | Zyndrome | tanks disconnecting on Brutallus all the time |
| 19:54.44 | Primer | Is there any way to reload an addon's code without /reloadui? |
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| 19:55.59 | NeoTron_ | Primer: manually enter it? :P MyAddon.function = <new function> |
| 19:56.29 | Primer | heh |
| 19:56.31 | Primer | not quite ideal |
| 19:59.46 | CIA-45 | 03arrowmaster 07WotLK * r79520 10Ace2/AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua: Ace2: changed WotLK fix to work on both live and beta, will move this over to trunk after it is confirmed working on both |
| 20:00.17 | Arrowmaster | test please |
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| 20:00.30 | Dashkal | CopyPaste into WowLua and hit execute again? |
| 20:00.32 | Ackis | I'll do wrath here soon |
| 20:00.50 | Arrowmaster | no way in hell am i going to risk making more than 1 commit to trunk Ace2 in fear of blowing up the Packagemancer |
| 20:01.09 | NeoTron_ | WTB WRATH KEY :) |
| 20:01.21 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron_: ME TOO! |
| 20:01.45 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: do I need to test on live? :P |
| 20:01.48 | Ackis | <--- lazy |
| 20:01.53 | Ackis | plus I don't like you or something? |
| 20:01.56 | Dashkal | futily refreshes his gmail over and over |
| 20:02.07 | Arrowmaster | well somebody needs to test on live |
| 20:02.12 | Arrowmaster | i will if nobody else does |
| 20:02.13 | NeoTron_ | rumor has it they tend to send keys out on Thursday's |
| 20:02.29 | Arrowmaster | but i kinda want breakfast |
| 20:02.35 | Dashkal | I was under the impression it would be friday (Aug 1) based on some comments in the customer service forum |
| 20:02.37 | NeoTron_ | which sort of matches the 'before aug 1' deadline |
| 20:02.41 | Dashkal | But thursday would be very very sweet |
| 20:02.49 | NeoTron_ | Dashkal: thursday can be thirsday at midnight PST |
| 20:02.57 | Dashkal | that would suck :p |
| 20:03.03 | Dashkal | I'm busy all weekend :p |
| 20:03.10 | NeoTron_ | I raid anyway until Thu at 1am so it's all the same to me |
| 20:03.17 | NeoTron_ | I don't have time to do anything really until friday |
| 20:03.19 | Dashkal | fair enough |
| 20:03.23 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: no ace2 errors on live, bugsack/buggrabber work |
| 20:03.49 | Pneumatus | Arrowmaster: fine on beta also |
| 20:04.03 | Ackis | s/live/beta/ |
| 20:04.09 | Ackis | fails |
| 20:04.14 | Arrowmaster | so does that make a lot of addons that are reported as 'not working' on beta work? |
| 20:04.25 | Vulcanus | thats what happens when you drycode your irc messages ackis |
| 20:04.47 | Pneumatus | every Ace2 addon that was working pre-last-build on beta works again |
| 20:06.50 | Pneumatus | i say every, i obviously havnt got the whole trunk checked out and running, but all the Ace2 addons Ive been using run once again with the fixed AceAddon |
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| 20:11.38 | hypetech | Anybody know any Sunwell PvE Horde guilds that raid only or at least mostly Fri,Sat,Sun? |
| 20:11.57 | Ackis | has to find the part in hellfire that I didn't explore for credit on beta |
| 20:12.23 | Ackis | hmmm Ackis Explorer List? :P |
| 20:14.03 | Aii | AckisTheExplorer |
| 20:17.16 | NeoTron_ | First you go to Honor Hold. then you walk over the rickety bridge to ... |
| 20:17.35 | NeoTron_ | but beware the ugly orc hiding under it that wants to know what 5 + 3 is |
| 20:20.13 | Cheads | dora dora dora the explorer!! |
| 20:20.17 | Cheads | my kids love it =) |
| 20:21.33 | NeoTron_ | I've watched far too many episodes of Dora |
| 20:21.40 | NeoTron_ | fortunately by now they are over it for the most part |
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| 20:29.30 | Pneumatus | has fish fallen over? |
| 20:31.44 | Arrowmaster | when hasnt it? |
| 20:33.05 | Pneumatus | at least the page loads are nice and quick now |
| 20:34.52 | CIA-45 | 03doktorjet * r79521 10GatherMate/Locales/GatherMate-ruRU.lua: GatherMate: minor update of ruRU localization - fishing nodes. |
| 20:35.40 | Pneumatus | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14342.msg233678#msg233678 |
| 20:36.03 | Pneumatus | anyone know why the addon is working stand-alone, without LibStub in embeds |
| 20:36.38 | Arrowmaster | does it have AceLibrary()? |
| 20:36.41 | Pneumatus | i've not put it in embeds, but libstub files are included with the babble libs |
| 20:37.04 | Pneumatus | i'm using LibStub to load libbabble, but havnt embedded it, but it still works fine |
| 20:37.06 | Arrowmaster | AceLibrary has LibStub in it |
| 20:37.40 | Pneumatus | in Ace2 AceLibrary? |
| 20:37.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:37.48 | Pneumatus | aha |
| 20:37.51 | Pneumatus | that would be it then |
| 20:38.16 | Pneumatus | so i don't need to include libstub separately at all then |
| 20:38.27 | Aii | still probably good practice |
| 20:38.57 | Pneumatus | well, i dont see why i'd need to add another external, and more files to zip when they are never going to get used |
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| 20:46.39 | *** part/#wowace Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-141-137-87.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:57.11 | Pneumatus | anyone know if any equipment compare addons are working in beta? |
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| 21:00.20 | NeoTron_ | doesn't know... yet. |
| 21:02.40 | NeoTron_ | worrying about a few bytes is a bit excessive don't you think? :P |
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| 21:16.01 | CIA-45 | 03Allara * r79522 10HitsMode/ (4 files in 2 dirs): HitsMode: Added "Show Raid Icons" option |
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| 21:19.00 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 21:19.02 | KriLL3 | is there a way to make the chat window, tabs and colors etc all the same across your characters? |
| 21:19.33 | Primer | prat |
| 21:19.36 | Primer | is what I use |
| 21:19.39 | KriLL3 | I got prat |
| 21:19.47 | Primer | there you go |
| 21:19.56 | KriLL3 | I can't figure out how to make all chat windows the same |
| 21:19.57 | CIA-45 | 03adirelle 07Ace3 * r79523 10CastYeller/CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua LibSpellEvents-2.0.lua): |
| 21:19.57 | CIA-45 | CastYeller: |
| 21:19.57 | CIA-45 | - seems to be working. |
| 21:19.57 | falconindy | just make sure all your toons are using the same profile and youi're set |
| 21:20.14 | falconindy | eh, the chat windows tehmselves are saved on a per characted basis by the blizz UI |
| 21:20.16 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 21:20.30 | KriLL3 | falconindy: that's what I want to keep the same across all chars |
| 21:20.33 | falconindy | prat just modifies what goes on inside of them |
| 21:20.36 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: pong |
| 21:21.19 | *** part/#wowace |stefan| (n=stefan@223cm74.cable.soderhamn-net.com) |
| 21:21.22 | NeoTron_ | so entirely based on pure numbers, imp soul leech (as it is now, 10% regen) would have given me 21.5k mana during in our last brutallus kill |
| 21:21.47 | NeoTron_ | due to random luck the actuall number would have been 25.5k. I life tapped for 37m mana |
| 21:21.50 | NeoTron_ | that's pretty huge |
| 21:21.59 | falconindy | there's a file "chat-cache.txt" for each character in your wtf folder... if you copy that from the toon who's setup correctly to the other characters you should be able to replicate it |
| 21:23.27 | KriLL3 | thx |
| 21:23.43 | Aii | NeoTron_: you're taking into account that it's only when soul leech procs, right? |
| 21:25.19 | *** join/#wowace CAP4276 (n=ircap@30.pool85-60-41.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 21:27.03 | NeoTron_ | Aii: of course |
| 21:27.10 | Aii | also NeoTron_, im pretty sure you didnt LT for 37m mana :P |
| 21:27.16 | NeoTron_ | the "theoretical" number is purely calculated as an average |
| 21:27.21 | NeoTron_ | 37k |
| 21:27.36 | Aii | :P |
| 21:27.39 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: although you've already gotten answers re ace2 'fix', do you have any specifics side-effects in mind that could/should be tested for explicitly? (because you know what part of code you touched, so maybe you know what it might break) |
| 21:27.39 | NeoTron_ | I did 51k worth of heals with 2/3 SL (which is higher than it should have done by a fair margin) |
| 21:27.58 | NeoTron_ | since mana return is half of the heals, that's 25.5k mana from imp SL id I had it |
| 21:28.15 | Kaelten | fear arrowmaster for he brings doom in his wake! |
| 21:28.31 | NeoTron_ | or approximately 14 life taps |
| 21:28.32 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: yes its going to have the same problem that AceAddon-3.0 has, triggering a LoadAddon() in the main chunk will cause OnInit to fire before ADDON_LOADED for that addon is fired |
| 21:29.01 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: but luckly AceDB-2.0 works around that issue unlike AceDB-3.0 |
| 21:29.19 | CAP4276 | hello |
| 21:29.24 | Gnarfoz | I'm not certain I totally grasp the implications of that :> |
| 21:29.25 | Aii | Hi |
| 21:29.35 | Arrowmaster | but that behavior is only on beta, its completely unchanged on live |
| 21:29.43 | NeoTron_ | Aii: funny thing is it was 30% initially |
| 21:29.56 | NeoTron_ | 30% would be more mana than I could use :P |
| 21:30.02 | Aii | heh |
| 21:30.13 | NeoTron_ | by quite a significant margin too |
| 21:30.52 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: you call LoadAddon in the main chunk of an addon and the game will stop processing that addon and go and load the new addon |
| 21:30.54 | Aii | id love 30% return for when im farming :P |
| 21:31.07 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: before continuing to process the first addon |
| 21:31.25 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: uh-huh, ok |
| 21:31.30 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: so then it will fire ADDON_LOADED for addon2 before ADDON_LOADED for addon1 |
| 21:31.48 | Arrowmaster | so when the first ADDON_LOADED is called for addon2, addon1's saved vars arent loaded yet |
| 21:32.20 | Gnarfoz | but it's not firing A_L for addon1, so nobody would expect them to be, or am I misunderstanding it? |
| 21:33.37 | Arrowmaster | the change is going to cause OnInit for addon1 to be called on addon2's ADDON_LOADED that fires before addon1's ADDON_LOADED |
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| 21:34.24 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 21:34.25 | Aii | hm |
| 21:34.43 | Aii | I wonder, would it be possible to make AceAddon3 have an optional argument of the name of the addon as WoW knows it |
| 21:34.59 | Aii | so that it could not call OnInit unless that matches the name provided by the ADDON_LOADED event? |
| 21:35.07 | profalbert_ | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/92798 |
| 21:35.09 | *** part/#wowace profalbert_ (n=ProfAlbe@91-113-27-235.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:35.23 | Aii | since ADDON_LOADED /does/ specify which addon it's firing for |
| 21:35.25 | Arrowmaster | Aii: you can just register ADDON_LOADED yourself and use that instead of OnInit |
| 21:35.52 | Aii | could... but it seems sort of silly to have to work around a library function that's supposed to handle the exact same (basically) thing |
| 21:36.22 | Arrowmaster | i tried to make a patch for it but it was deemed to complex of a fix for a fringe issue |
| 21:36.41 | Arrowmaster | since people calling LoadAddOn in the main chuck should know what theyre doing in the first place |
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| 21:37.17 | CIA-45 | 03arrowmaster * r79524 10Ace2/AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua: |
| 21:37.17 | CIA-45 | Ace2: |
| 21:37.17 | CIA-45 | - added fix for new IsAddOnLoaded() behavior in WotLK beta |
| 21:37.17 | CIA-45 | - all future WotLK fixes will be in the Ace2 WotLK branch until they can be made to work on both live and beta |
| 21:37.17 | CIA-45 | - this commit will probably make the WowAce Packagemancer spend atleast a good hour repacking 1000+ addons with the new AceAddon-2.0 =( |
| 21:37.23 | Gnarfoz | for once, I'd go with "tell those 5 people to do it another way or solve the problems themselves" ^^ |
| 21:38.11 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79525 10GatherHud/Locales/Locale-ruRU.lua: GatherHud: added/updated ruRU localization |
| 21:38.27 | Aii | Arrowmaster: Except, doesn't AceLibrary call it? |
| 21:38.33 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:38.45 | Arrowmaster | but AceLibrary is Ace2 |
| 21:41.51 | CAP4276 | soy española |
| 21:41.54 | Aii | help me document Ace3, Arrowmaster, and I'll grant you the point :P |
| 21:43.19 | *** join/#wowace Phr0zy (n=Rip@user-0c6s14g.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:43.53 | Aii | deisi: podemos ayudar con algo? |
| 21:44.16 | Phr0zy | Anyone use the addon "CCBreaker" by Pheredhel |
| 21:44.27 | Aii | Yes, Phr0zy |
| 21:44.52 | Phr0zy | If you put it into standby, how do turn it back on i'm missing the icon on my Minimap and cant locate a setting for it |
| 21:45.12 | Phr0zy | Ace is reporting its in Standby, disable/enable via ACE's Gui doesn't bring it back to life |
| 21:45.15 | Phr0zy | any input on how to fix this? |
| 21:45.30 | Aii | try /ccbreaker standby |
| 21:45.37 | Gnarfoz | oh btw, while we're at fixing ace stuff ;> |
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| 21:45.56 | Phr0zy | Recieve an error that that slash command doesnt exist |
| 21:46.08 | Arrowmaster | try /ace2 enable ccbreaker |
| 21:46.11 | Phr0zy | i already removed the -- from the line that would contain the slash command in the CCOptions.lua |
| 21:46.12 | Phr0zy | ok |
| 21:46.14 | Gnarfoz | whom should I report errors regarding AceGUI / SharedMediaWidgets to? build 8681 broke every ace3 config panel >_> |
| 21:46.17 | thul | the internetz. |
| 21:46.33 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: theres an ace3 wotlk branch |
| 21:46.36 | Phr0zy | Arrowmaster: Ace2: CCBreaker is already enabled. |
| 21:46.47 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I know, I'm using it :< |
| 21:47.01 | ckknight | profalbert: fuck, thought I fixed that. |
| 21:47.05 | aestil | is M'uru P2 easier to beat than M'uru P1, since the nerf? |
| 21:47.08 | Gnarfoz | I shouldn't have to remove embedded copies of ace3, right? |
| 21:47.32 | Arrowmaster | not if they all optdep ace3 properly |
| 21:47.38 | Arrowmaster | lol @ http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt |
| 21:47.54 | Phr0zy | Where else would a setting be for placing a addon into Standby? SavedVariables doesnt contain anything of use. |
| 21:48.10 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: oh shi- xD |
| 21:48.21 | ckknight | profalbert: durr, my logic is swapped |
| 21:48.23 | Arrowmaster | its going much faster than i expected |
| 21:48.46 | profalbert | ckknight: "<" ~= ">" |
| 21:48.47 | profalbert | ? |
| 21:48.49 | Aii | Phr0zy: which savedvariables are you looking at |
| 21:49.03 | ckknight | profalbert: sorta, it was actually two variables that were swapped |
| 21:49.06 | ckknight | but same idea |
| 21:49.18 | Phr0zy | Account\<My Account Name>\<My Server>\<My Char Name>\ |
| 21:49.26 | Phr0zy | WTF\Account...... rather |
| 21:49.43 | Aii | try just looking in My Account Name\SavedVariables. |
| 21:50.09 | Phr0zy | Aii: Nothing in there |
| 21:50.23 | Phr0zy | Aii: looks like a basic config for setting up chars |
| 21:50.52 | Aii | also, have you reloaded ui since you tried to enable it? |
| 21:50.59 | Phr0zy | Aii: Yes |
| 21:51.28 | Phr0zy | Aii: even deleted it and anything that said anything related to it (which wasnt more then CCBreaker.ext) in Wow and loaded the game up |
| 21:51.30 | CIA-45 | 03profalbert * r79526 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua: |
| 21:51.30 | CIA-45 | Parrot: |
| 21:51.30 | CIA-45 | - add some more uids |
| 21:51.33 | Aii | im trying to remember how I got one addon to un-standby itself last time that happened... hard without wow in front of me though, heh |
| 21:51.42 | Phr0zy | Aii: Redownloaded it and Turned ti back on |
| 21:52.00 | Phr0zy | Hard without working Slash commands too :( |
| 21:52.14 | Arrowmaster | 2008-07-30 21:49:46 Created /var/www/FuBar_LoadLODFu/FuBar_LoadLODFu-r23237.1116.zip |
| 21:52.17 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 21:52.29 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 21:52.31 | Phr0zy | CCBreaker:RegisterChatCommand(CCLocale["Slash-Commands"],CCBreaker.OnMenuRequest) |
| 21:52.42 | Phr0zy | Is that a correct command to bring up /CCBreaker ? |
| 21:52.42 | Arrowmaster | should make a contest to find the lowest revision number on this list |
| 21:52.57 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: btw: at least on WotLK (should probably check on live ^^) damage from my own retribution aura (i.e. "thorns style") shows up as "(Hooloovoo) 24" (i.e. it prefixes it with my own name? oO) |
| 21:53.07 | Arrowmaster | AHAHA |
| 21:53.08 | Arrowmaster | 2008-07-30 21:50:42 Created /var/www/tekSupport/tekSupport-r19496.1143.zip |
| 21:53.40 | Phr0zy | This is also right after that command in CCoptions.lua |
| 21:53.41 | Phr0zy | CCWaterfall:Register("CCBreaker","aceOptions",CCBreaker.OnMenuRequest,"title","CCBreaker Options","treeLevels",3) |
| 21:53.58 | profalbert | gnarfoz: maybe something I missed while doing the merge |
| 21:54.10 | Aii | Phr0zy: have you tried checking Ace2's savedvariables |
| 21:54.19 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: oh, yeah duh. I should check again, didn't log in since your merge from trunk to branch. |
| 21:54.36 | Phr0zy | Aii: Didnt see it under my char let me check the rest of the folders |
| 21:54.42 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: have the branch and the trunk an a local git-repo now |
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| 21:55.14 | Gnarfoz | heh, can't be bothered with git so far, SmartSVN does just fine for me right now ^^ |
| 21:55.34 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/parrot_aura_dmg.jpg <-- just to clarify |
| 21:55.42 | Phr0zy | Aii: Dont have a ACE2 saved variable unless its stored somewhere im not searching |
| 21:56.00 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: that issue was in the trunkversion earier and I fixed it |
| 21:56.23 | Gnarfoz | I see. I'll confirm on beta, too, but you probably squashed it anyway ;) |
| 21:56.32 | Aii | sec, Phr0zy |
| 21:56.49 | Gnarfoz | also, lol @ "Demoralizing Mmmrrrggglll" |
| 21:56.50 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 21:56.53 | Aii | remote desktop'ing to my home computer so I can check my own :P |
| 21:56.55 | Pneumatus | idd |
| 21:56.55 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79527 10Cartographer_QuestInfo/Locale/Locale-ruRU.lua: |
| 21:56.55 | CIA-45 | Cartographer_QuestInfo: |
| 21:56.55 | CIA-45 | - update ruRU |
| 21:56.58 | Phr0zy | ty |
| 21:56.59 | Pneumatus | funniest debuff |
| 21:57.07 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 21:57.10 | Gnarfoz | ~urban idd |
| 21:57.22 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79528 10Cartographer_Quests/addon.lua: Cartographer_Quests: update ruRU |
| 21:57.23 | Gnarfoz | purl needs urban dictionary support! |
| 21:57.50 | Phr0zy | What is "AceLibrary("Waterfall-1.0") |
| 21:58.03 | Phr0zy | Grr retarded paste.... |
| 21:58.17 | Phr0zy | What is the purpose of Waterfall-1.0? |
| 21:58.41 | Pneumatus | to connect a river from the top of a cliff to the bottom |
| 21:58.48 | Phr0zy | sweet, rivers |
| 21:58.50 | Arrowmaster | GUI |
| 21:58.54 | Aii | it's a library to display a GUI based off the options table |
| 21:59.11 | Phr0zy | Hmm i dont see that anywhere in my WOW Dir i think that may be a cause... ;( |
| 21:59.18 | Aii | no |
| 21:59.27 | Aii | that'd only be if you wanted to use the GUI, it's not necessary |
| 21:59.36 | Aii | if you're using slash commands it wont affect anything |
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| 21:59.54 | Aii | WoW\WTF\Account\YourAccountName\SavedVariables\CCBreaker.lua |
| 22:00.06 | Aii | what's under the ["disabled"] header |
| 22:00.15 | Phr0zy | nothing i dont have a [Disabled] header |
| 22:00.18 | profalbert | gnarfoz: did you modify the tag for Outgoing->Reactive skills ? |
| 22:00.21 | Aii | interesting |
| 22:00.57 | Phr0zy | CCBreakerDBPC then a drop tear of options |
| 22:01.06 | Phr0zy | tier* |
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| 22:01.11 | Aii | yes... inside that |
| 22:01.13 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: don't think so, but as I said, my report is based on the version prior to your trunk->branch merge, so I'll just re-check with the new one :) |
| 22:01.19 | Aii | is there anything labeled ["disabled"] |
| 22:01.21 | Phr0zy | Nothing that says "Disabled" |
| 22:01.26 | Aii | k |
| 22:01.43 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: wait, it's somehow wrong in the branch-version |
| 22:01.51 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:01.51 | Aii | try removing that file (or moving it to somewhere as a backup) while WoW isn't running, then starting WoW again |
| 22:01.57 | Phr0zy | k |
| 22:02.04 | profalbert | but only for incoming |
| 22:02.28 | Gnarfoz | funny how my box is not capable of playing back my FRAPS recordings >_> |
| 22:02.44 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: missing the codec? |
| 22:02.47 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 22:02.51 | Gnarfoz | *not fluidly |
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| 22:03.01 | Gnarfoz | 1680x1050 25p @ full res is simply too much with the FPS1 codec, the bitrate is too high |
| 22:03.11 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: then your box fails |
| 22:03.16 | Gnarfoz | Video: FPS1 1680x1050 25.00fps 300344Kbps [Video 0] |
| 22:03.18 | Gnarfoz | 300mbit |
| 22:03.30 | Gnarfoz | C2D E6750 |
| 22:03.31 | profalbert | I record that with 30 fps ;) |
| 22:03.36 | Gnarfoz | recording is no problem |
| 22:03.40 | Gnarfoz | full res playback is |
| 22:04.01 | Gnarfoz | I have to make my player zoom to 50% or it'll stutter every second or two oo |
| 22:04.16 | aestil | how much health does P2 M'uru have? |
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| 22:04.23 | NeoTron_ | zero |
| 22:04.27 | NeoTron_ | he dies in phase 1 ;-) |
| 22:04.31 | aestil | you know what i mean |
| 22:04.33 | aestil | the VW |
| 22:04.36 | aestil | how much health. |
| 22:04.37 | NeoTron_ | entropius |
| 22:04.37 | Gnarfoz | entropius |
| 22:04.40 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: hmm... i have C2D 6400 (@3.0GHz) |
| 22:04.41 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79529 10Cartographer_QuestObjectives/Locale-ruRU.lua: |
| 22:04.41 | CIA-45 | Cartographer_QuestObjectives: |
| 22:04.41 | CIA-45 | - update ruRU |
| 22:04.42 | Gnarfoz | look it up? :> |
| 22:04.50 | NeoTron_ | I am not sure but yeah. wowhead it or something |
| 22:05.08 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: e6750 is 'newer' but yours is OC'd ;) |
| 22:05.09 | aestil | that info is accurate? says 2 million. |
| 22:05.11 | NeoTron_ | I'm so glad they are reenabling actual health display |
| 22:05.14 | Gnarfoz | sounds about right |
| 22:05.18 | NeoTron_ | aestil: something liek that yes |
| 22:05.31 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron_: I'd not be so sure that that is intentional |
| 22:06.17 | Gnarfoz | also fuck me for being too lazy to complete the Midsummer event's flame quests on any of my other chars |
| 22:06.35 | Gnarfoz | now my worst char (my ex-ex-main char ^^) has the "Flame Warden" title, but none of my others do xD |
| 22:06.45 | NeoTron_ | it's retroactive? |
| 22:06.51 | Gnarfoz | yes, everything is |
| 22:06.53 | NeoTron_ | they always said archievements wouldn't be |
| 22:06.55 | Gnarfoz | (they said so) |
| 22:07.03 | NeoTron_ | so you have to go back and kill raid mobs again etc |
| 22:07.04 | Gnarfoz | how would Feats of Strenght work otherwise ;) |
| 22:07.22 | NeoTron_ | well those are special |
| 22:07.34 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: plays fluidly in fullscreen with wow in background :P |
| 22:07.42 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: I'm not even running wow right now oO |
| 22:07.56 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: but you're not even on windows, right? (and maybe x64?) |
| 22:08.11 | profalbert | vista 32 |
| 22:08.15 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:08.26 | Aii | Phr0zy: did that fix it? |
| 22:08.27 | Industrial | falconindy: your name makes my client highlight. :p |
| 22:08.38 | Gnarfoz | I'll say it has trouble keeping up with 300mbit/s bitrate ^^ |
| 22:08.48 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: harddisk? |
| 22:08.49 | Gnarfoz | x264 starts stuttering at 20mbit/s or so |
| 22:09.13 | Gnarfoz | ? don't make me laugh ^^ 300mbit/s /8 is far from what the hard disk should be able to deliver ;) |
| 22:09.16 | *** join/#wowace Venara_ (n=nils@p5B3F6E20.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:09.26 | profalbert | Gnarfoz: yes for chained I/O |
| 22:09.32 | *** join/#wowace Aiiane_ (n=Aiiane@starfire.ST.HMC.Edu) |
| 22:09.34 | Gnarfoz | this is sustained I/O |
| 22:09.44 | profalbert | fraps does horrible fragmenting |
| 22:09.47 | profalbert | for me at least (on NTFS) |
| 22:09.48 | Gnarfoz | fraps doesn't do any such thing |
| 22:10.01 | Gnarfoz | because that's not something it even has anything to do with, the OS handles that |
| 22:10.08 | Arrowmaster | 20mbit/s h264 is really high bitrate |
| 22:10.17 | Arrowmaster | how much action is going on in that scene? |
| 22:10.21 | profalbert | then the OS fragments, don't care... the result is fragmented |
| 22:10.31 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: more reading the lines, less reading between 'em ;) |
| 22:10.44 | Arrowmaster | pff |
| 22:10.54 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: the OS only has to fragment new files if your disk is already fragmented... so I'd say: defragment! :p |
| 22:11.26 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I'm quite certain it's CPU bottlenecked atm |
| 22:11.26 | aestil | so if we have 16 dps for m'uru P2, then they need to average something like 1500-2k dps to kill it in 60-90 seconds. |
| 22:11.56 | aestil | that doesn't seem overly hard. |
| 22:11.56 | aestil | : / |
| 22:12.04 | NeoTron_ | aestil: 3 tanks, 6 healers? |
| 22:12.17 | aestil | that is what we have currently, yes. |
| 22:12.17 | NeoTron_ | remember, m'uru p2 is alos not like brutallus |
| 22:12.22 | NeoTron_ | you don't just stand and nuke |
| 22:12.27 | NeoTron_ | lots of mobility |
| 22:12.46 | NeoTron_ | flipside being more benefit from heroisms and cooldowns |
| 22:12.47 | aestil | its squishy though, yes? |
| 22:13.00 | aestil | one of our tanks is a feral druid. |
| 22:13.03 | aestil | so thats like half a dps. |
| 22:13.08 | NeoTron_ | reasonbly squishy perhaps |
| 22:13.13 | aestil | we also have a warrior and pally tank. |
| 22:13.18 | NeoTron_ | note we haven't yet gotten there |
| 22:13.27 | aestil | i'm assuming squishier than brut. |
| 22:13.33 | Gnarfoz | profalbert: it might even be a problem with mpc, because if I zoom to 50%, CPU load stays roughly the same, yet the playback suddenly is perfect |
| 22:13.36 | NeoTron_ | I'd assume so |
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| 22:14.05 | NeoTron_ | but melee is very much at a disadvantage |
| 22:14.05 | aestil | we are taking 4 hunters though. |
| 22:14.05 | aestil | so they'll do well. |
| 22:14.05 | NeoTron_ | we don't have 4 >:-) |
| 22:14.06 | NeoTron_ | right now we haev 1 |
| 22:14.08 | aestil | we have an over abundance of hunters. |
| 22:14.11 | aestil | we have like 6. |
| 22:14.12 | NeoTron_ | since one mysteriously disappeared |
| 22:14.13 | profalbert | gnarfoz: running mpc 6.4.9.1 |
| 22:14.26 | Gnarfoz | me too, because that's the latest version, sadly |
| 22:14.27 | NeoTron_ | we use 1 hunter + prot pally for the sentinel/spawn tanking now. works great |
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| 22:14.34 | NeoTron_ | I assume you use the 4xhunter misdirect method |
| 22:14.49 | aestil | the pally picks up sentinels on his side |
| 22:14.56 | aestil | the rest on the oposite side get MD'd to him |
| 22:15.05 | NeoTron_ | yep same we do |
| 22:15.11 | NeoTron_ | but with one hunter and no MD |
| 22:15.17 | aestil | and the Spriests dpsing m'uru throw a dot on the sent as it crosses. |
| 22:15.19 | NeoTron_ | distract => exorcism => fd |
| 22:15.30 | aestil | yeah, that would work fine. |
| 22:15.34 | NeoTron_ | bit more dangerous |
| 22:15.50 | NeoTron_ | or rather requires a bit more coordination between the hunter / tank combo |
| 22:15.59 | NeoTron_ | but it worked SO much better than warrior picking up the adds |
| 22:16.07 | aestil | we wiped a few times when the sentinel spawned in the far group area, and the pally didn't pick it up, and the hunters thought they shouldn't MD it. |
| 22:16.07 | NeoTron_ | with the whole "damn darkness in the middle" crap |
| 22:16.28 | kadrahil | huh |
| 22:16.29 | aestil | so now we have hunters MD all spawns from like 6 to 10 [on a clock] and pally only worries about 7 - 9 :) |
| 22:16.33 | kadrahil | armory says i'm not in a guild |
| 22:16.40 | kadrahil | o.o |
| 22:16.51 | NeoTron_ | would be so easy with 4 hunters |
| 22:16.54 | NeoTron_ | but yeah |
| 22:17.03 | kadrahil | people raid with 4 hunters? |
| 22:17.09 | NeoTron_ | we've tried a lot of different strategies |
| 22:17.15 | aestil | hunters are great. |
| 22:17.22 | kadrahil | aestil, i love you |
| 22:17.25 | NeoTron_ | like rogues but ranged! |
| 22:17.35 | kadrahil | aestil: you're the first person i've heard say that in a long time |
| 22:17.41 | kadrahil | i feel so unappreciated in my guld |
| 22:17.44 | kadrahil | guild dangit i can't type |
| 22:17.48 | NeoTron_ | kadrahil: problem is the large number of huntards |
| 22:18.04 | kadrahil | NeoTron_: yeah. |
| 22:18.05 | NeoTron_ | and it's a "hard" class (have to make a "macro" whatever that is) to do good dps with :P |
| 22:18.13 | NeoTron_ | hard is relative since it's not really hard |
| 22:18.13 | kadrahil | haha |
| 22:18.14 | aestil | hunters are top tier dps, with almost no aggro issues and very very very good group utility [such as extra MD's for brut, 3% dmg for each group member, which stacks, and imp hunters mark + the other thing our survival hunter bitch does] |
| 22:18.32 | kadrahil | expose weakness. |
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| 22:19.29 | kadrahil | is a great buff for melee and hunters, but it sucks to play that spec |
| 22:19.35 | kadrahil | because your own dps suffers :( |
| 22:20.02 | vithos__ | doesn't suffer that much |
| 22:20.17 | kadrahil | I guess I suck playing it then |
| 22:20.22 | kadrahil | because I'm down about 400 dps |
| 22:20.28 | kadrahil | maybe 300 |
| 22:20.39 | kadrahil | I need to do more tests |
| 22:20.43 | Codayus | That seems fairly high. |
| 22:20.52 | Codayus | It does require QUITE different gear than BM though |
| 22:20.56 | kadrahil | yes |
| 22:21.06 | vithos__ | it's totally worth it though |
| 22:21.10 | kadrahil | Ideally I need about 130 more agi |
| 22:21.21 | kadrahil | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Kadrahil |
| 22:21.22 | vithos__ | our survival hunter only swaps like one piece of gear |
| 22:21.33 | vithos__ | http://wowwebstats.com/tmxnnmpgfwte1?m&s=135550-163846 Ecstatic is the survival |
| 22:21.44 | kadrahil | if I got the T6 chest I could use the azgalor pants |
| 22:22.02 | kadrahil | they've been banked for 2 months |
| 22:22.41 | kadrahil | vithos__: I got a 502 bad gateway error trying to access that, lol |
| 22:22.51 | kadrahil | there it goes |
| 22:23.16 | kadrahil | vithos__: that's about where I am on the dps charts as survival |
| 22:23.24 | CIA-45 | 03whitetooth * r79530 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 22:23.24 | CIA-45 | StatLogicLib: |
| 22:23.24 | CIA-45 | - Updated combat rating formula for levels 70 to 80 |
| 22:23.24 | CIA-45 | - Level 70 to 80: H = (82/52)*(131/63)^((level-70)/10) |
| 22:23.24 | CIA-45 | - Percentage = Rating / RatingBase / H |
| 22:23.38 | kadrahil | why is Unum so low? |
| 22:23.50 | vithos__ | Unum has pretty much only PvP gear |
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| 22:24.19 | vithos__ | he just started raiding |
| 22:24.19 | kadrahil | ah |
| 22:24.42 | kadrahil | you recruited someone in pvp gear or was he already a guildie? |
| 22:24.56 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79531 10Cartographer/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Cartographer: update ruRU |
| 22:26.16 | Phr0zy | Aii: still there? |
| 22:26.42 | vithos__ | i think he's someone's friend, but mostly because he played at around the 2200's last season |
| 22:26.48 | Aii | yes Phr0zy |
| 22:26.53 | kadrahil | ah, gotcha |
| 22:27.11 | Phr0zy | Aii: sorry yeah didnt fix it, but i found it created one in the root of the WTF for my Char, and Disable = True was made there |
| 22:27.21 | NeoTron_ | vithos__: that's a lotta deeps |
| 22:27.27 | NeoTron_ | 2710 dps damn |
| 22:27.35 | Phr0zy | grr False rather |
| 22:27.38 | vithos__ | heh yeah, 2 heroisms though |
| 22:27.43 | Phr0zy | ["disabled"] = {["Default"] = true,}, |
| 22:27.52 | Phr0zy | that was false, i just changed it to True to see if it would fix it |
| 22:28.17 | NeoTron_ | I assume pretty buff hunter group |
| 22:28.26 | Pneumatus | people standing still at Keristrasza ftl :< |
| 22:28.34 | vithos__ | 3 bm, 1 resto shaman, 1 sv |
| 22:28.50 | kadrahil | melee gets the druid? |
| 22:28.56 | Phr0zy | Aii: still not taking commands |
| 22:29.00 | vithos__ | druid was in the tank group |
| 22:29.02 | Aii | hrm |
| 22:29.04 | kadrahil | oh |
| 22:29.35 | vithos__ | melee group was rogue rogue fury arms enhance |
| 22:29.43 | kadrahil | yeah that's what ours usually is |
| 22:29.48 | kadrahil | but they put the druid with them too |
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| 22:29.56 | Phr0zy | Aii: let me disable it and re-enable it see if it re-reads the config |
| 22:29.57 | kadrahil | minus one rogue |
| 22:30.10 | vithos__ | yeah there just wasn't room for the druid in either dps group |
| 22:30.18 | kadrahil | poor druid :( |
| 22:30.28 | ckknight | what's everyone's thoughts on wowmatrix? |
| 22:30.47 | Aii | Phr0zy: if that doesn't work, pastey both the account-based and character-based savedvars files for CCBreaker (ace.pastey.net) |
| 22:31.05 | Phr0zy | k |
| 22:31.05 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: evil |
| 22:32.21 | Aii | ckknight: the typical unknowledgable user finds it convenient; the informed sees its shortcomings/downsides |
| 22:32.29 | Pneumatus | bandwitdth leeching, advertising revenue making pile of crapola |
| 22:32.37 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:32.43 | ckknight | I'm very not fond of it |
| 22:32.50 | ckknight | contemplating starting a campaign against it |
| 22:32.56 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 22:33.01 | ckknight | join forces, yes? |
| 22:33.07 | vithos__ | are there ads in the client, or just on the website? |
| 22:33.13 | Pneumatus | in the client |
| 22:33.19 | Pneumatus | if it had no ads, id be less against it |
| 22:33.19 | ckknight | targetted at authors more than users, specifically, so that we, who are informed, can know the real story |
| 22:33.21 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to try and get the rest of the devs to agree to try and get omen removed from it but i figured omen might be a bad first choice |
| 22:33.22 | Aii | get Antiarc to pull omen from it :P |
| 22:33.29 | ckknight | and eventually, perhaps send C&Ds |
| 22:33.31 | Pneumatus | but their authors are profiting from other peoples bandwith |
| 22:33.46 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: we can do my stuff first, I've no issue |
| 22:33.54 | Arrowmaster | a better one would be to get smariot to get them to remove questhelper |
| 22:33.54 | ckknight | though frankly, I think a mass wave of C&Ds would be good |
| 22:33.59 | NeoTron_ | is there something stating that you can't make an addon updated that uses files.wowace.com etc? |
| 22:34.02 | ckknight | I can talk to him about it, Arrowmaster |
| 22:34.02 | Arrowmaster | too many people depend on omen |
| 22:34.13 | CIA-45 | 03profalbert * r79532 10Parrot/Data/AnimationStyles.lua: |
| 22:34.13 | CIA-45 | Parrot: |
| 22:34.13 | CIA-45 | - add animation-style pow2 (pow without the shaking) |
| 22:34.17 | Pneumatus | plus, downloading from wowmatrix gives you no definable source, so you cant sensibly contact an addon author with bugs/features etc |
| 22:34.19 | NeoTron_ | and is it really worth making an issue about it when files.wowace.com is going away? |
| 22:34.20 | ckknight | I think a mass C&D would be most effective |
| 22:34.32 | ckknight | NeoTron: it's a bad precedent. |
| 22:34.38 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: you can just send them a message on their feedback form |
| 22:34.40 | Aii | Make them pull Omen, QuestHelper, Pitbull, and a couple of others |
| 22:34.44 | NeoTron_ | what about, say, jwu? |
| 22:34.47 | Aii | and people will start complaining about wowmatrix |
| 22:34.53 | Aii | NeoTron_: Doesn't run ads, at least. |
| 22:34.54 | Arrowmaster | i got them to remove the one addon of mine they nabed |
| 22:35.07 | Arrowmaster | but its a very minor addon |
| 22:35.13 | Arrowmaster | and a few others got them to remove theirs |
| 22:35.56 | Arrowmaster | but questhelper seems to be the bigest 'non escential to raiding' adddon they have |
| 22:36.16 | NeoTron_ | isn't it jsut an addon downloader? |
| 22:36.19 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: well, there's all my addons |
| 22:36.21 | Arrowmaster | since they even posted smariots personal gmail on their contact page as the contact for questhelper related questions |
| 22:36.26 | ckknight | which are pretty big all-in-all |
| 22:36.28 | Aii | Why limit it to non-essential-to-raiding addons |
| 22:36.31 | Arrowmaster | instead of his qhaddon gmail account |
| 22:36.44 | CIA-45 | 03sylvanaar * r79533 10ACP/ACP.toc: ACP: Add an X-Credits line, from when I modified the description the credit to Saien was lost. |
| 22:36.51 | Arrowmaster | Aii: because i dont want to push people away from omen and back to ktm |
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| 22:37.06 | ckknight | how do I give feedback? |
| 22:37.11 | Arrowmaster | on their webpage |
| 22:37.48 | NeoTron_ | the way to "beat" such an addon is to make a better alternative. substandard solutions will always be worked around |
| 22:37.54 | Phr0zy | Aii: sent you a msg for the pastey |
| 22:38.52 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: if i was smariot i would be very angry over what wowmatrix did on their 'contact us' page |
| 22:39.29 | Aii | saw it Phr0zy |
| 22:39.37 | Aii | Arrowmaster: I doubt you'd do that |
| 22:39.45 | Aii | They'd just find elsewhere to get Omen |
| 22:39.52 | Phr0zy | Aii: you know what i didnt check my alt to see if it worked there... hmm |
| 22:39.57 | Aii | because unless the entire guild uses wowmatrix |
| 22:40.06 | Aii | there'd still be too much pressure from other guildies to use omen |
| 22:40.08 | Arrowmaster | some do |
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| 22:43.59 | ulic | wtf kinda fix is this? http://www.wowmatrix.com/faq/ventrilo-vista-issue.html that's just silly. |
| 22:44.14 | Vonhinten | hahaha, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhmIrM_CRGQ |
| 22:44.48 | Pneumatus | copy your wow folder to desktop to fix ventrillo not running, epic fail |
| 22:44.55 | ZealotOnAStick | how does that fix vent? |
| 22:45.30 | Aii | my guess is if someone's using the Ventrilo overlay |
| 22:45.32 | Pneumatus | id assume UAC probably has some issue with vent |
| 22:45.42 | Pneumatus | with over-riding key bindings or something perhaps |
| 22:45.54 | Arrowmaster | random guess is that their 'launch wow' button in wowmatrix is starting wow as admin or something if its in program files dir |
| 22:45.54 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: well, sent in a thing to the feedback dealy |
| 22:46.26 | Arrowmaster | but copying it to the desktop is even worse |
| 22:46.30 | Arrowmaster | er moving |
| 22:46.44 | Vonhinten | I dunno what wowmatrix is, but it looks like some shady shit |
| 22:46.49 | ckknight | it is |
| 22:46.54 | Pneumatus | you know if files.wowace.com wanted to block access to wowmatrix you could probably just work out its user agent, and block it |
| 22:46.56 | NeoTron_ | Vonhinten: a shady... addon updater! oh noes! |
| 22:47.35 | Vonhinten | Ad-ware |
| 22:47.45 | Arrowmaster | it extremely shady but so far it hasnt been found to do anything bad other than disrespect authors and hosting sites |
| 22:47.52 | NeoTron_ | why is it shady? |
| 22:47.55 | Primer | yeah, we all know that blocking on user agent is a very effective way of blocking access |
| 22:47.58 | NeoTron_ | there's nothing "shady" about it |
| 22:47.58 | Pneumatus | i dont know if it pulls an addon list from their servers or dynamically, and if their own sites were forming addon lists/download links you could block them up |
| 22:48.01 | Aii | the dilemma is that it does what users want |
| 22:48.11 | Arrowmaster | because its impossible to find out whos behind it |
| 22:48.14 | Aii | with no real care for what the sites/authors want |
| 22:48.26 | Aii | so the users get up in arms if the authors suggest that it's bad |
| 22:48.46 | ZealotOnAStick | hacks user agent to read as "Neutron Plushie v1.j MSIE-compat" |
| 22:48.49 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix pulls in the list of addons from wowace and then servs that list out to all its clients giving them links to files on wowace |
| 22:48.56 | Aii | because "the evil man" is trying to take away their "free stuff" |
| 22:48.56 | Pneumatus | its clear the author has thought... "ooh, i can make things easy for users and get some nice ad revenue on the side" |
| 22:49.06 | NeoTron_ | Aii: as an author, I say the more ways ppl can get my addon the better for me |
| 22:49.08 | Arrowmaster | the versioned files so until it pulls the index again its outadate |
| 22:49.12 | Pneumatus | Arrowmaster: if thats the case, you could just block the scraper IPs |
| 22:49.20 | Arrowmaster | have to identify it |
| 22:49.22 | Aii | NeoTron_: notice that I said hosts/authors |
| 22:49.28 | Arrowmaster | and cat/mouse games suck |
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| 22:50.00 | NeoTron_ | the only way to avoid it is to make the download links "for pay" or similar |
| 22:50.08 | NeoTron_ | as long as it's publicly available on the internet, it will happen |
| 22:50.16 | NeoTron_ | if it's not JWU it's wowmatrix or any other such app |
| 22:50.23 | Pneumatus | randomise the download strings, but that would mean server-side processing |
| 22:50.32 | CIA-45 | 03StingerSoft * r79534 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: added ruRU localization |
| 22:50.33 | NeoTron_ | make it harder and the program author goes through more steps to make it worse, typically increasing the server load |
| 22:51.17 | Pneumatus | yeh, as you'd go from a vanilla directory listing to a dynamically generated page, that dynamically serves zips |
| 22:51.29 | NeoTron_ | I once made an app that allowed me to read slashdot articles and comment threads by scraping the HTML, remembering read posts and such |
| 22:51.44 | Dashkal | You'd have to dynamically generate the layout too or it could just zero in on the link that way |
| 22:51.46 | NeoTron_ | Pneumatus: which just means more traffic to download said list pages |
| 22:52.07 | Pneumatus | yup, more traffic and more server load |
| 22:52.32 | NeoTron_ | wonder how much traffic would be saved if all "Externals" always were external and not embedded |
| 22:52.36 | NeoTron_ | probably a HUGE amount |
| 22:52.38 | NeoTron_ | literally |
| 22:53.18 | Arrowmaster | or if all externals pointed to taged versions |
| 22:53.47 | Dashkal | Embedding has its place. It's too much to ask joe user to handle getting the right deps on his own. |
| 22:54.28 | Codayus | Localization is responsible for a fairly impressive amount of bandwidth, all on its own, I think... |
| 22:54.44 | Arrowmaster | it is |
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| 22:55.01 | Codayus | Fix a typo in one language, and everyone redownloads everything. :-/ |
| 22:55.07 | NeoTron_ | Dashkal: handling can be automated |
| 22:55.08 | Dashkal | it would be very nice if localization changes for one local didn't... do that |
| 22:55.24 | Dashkal | NeoTron_ only using extra tools. |
| 22:55.29 | Arrowmaster | that is one of the goals to fix with the new curse client |
| 22:55.31 | NeoTron_ | for MagicTargets, the addon itself is 112k zipped. the libs is 220k |
| 22:55.54 | NeoTron_ | and that's with the fubar plugin embedded |
| 22:56.02 | Codayus | I think a req dep model with the updater responsible for making sure you've got the req dep is a better approach... |
| 22:56.05 | Aii | hmm |
| 22:56.05 | CIA-45 | 03Copystring * r79535 10Barrel/ (Config.lua Core.lua): |
| 22:56.05 | CIA-45 | Barrel: |
| 22:56.05 | CIA-45 | - big bug fix commit, should work 100% fine now. |
| 22:56.12 | Codayus | But has its own flaws. meh. |
| 22:56.18 | Dashkal | As long as the curse client remains a closed piece of code controled by a corperate entity, it's not a solution I'll accept. |
| 22:56.20 | Aii | Make embedded libs a premium feature :P |
| 22:56.20 | NeoTron_ | 56k without it |
| 22:58.23 | aestil | has anyone else downloaded the pixel junk 'eden' demo? its really damn fun. |
| 22:58.32 | Aii | Codayus: Ideally, Blizzard's own addon window would sort libs into their own section or tab |
| 22:58.58 | Aii | and mark which ones aren't referenced by any detected addons |
| 22:59.02 | NeoTron_ | changing to, say, tar.bz2 would be a huge gain too |
| 22:59.33 | Aii | NeoTron_: except that the JoeUser who downloads from websites instead of updaters doesn't want to try to unpack tar.bz2 on windows |
| 23:00.00 | NeoTron_ | tar.bz2: 160547, zip: 235309 (magicmarker with libs) |
| 23:00.08 | NeoTron_ | Aii: that's why the downloader installs it |
| 23:00.13 | NeoTron_ | and uncompresses it |
| 23:00.17 | Aii | NeoTron_: not every joe user uses a downloader |
| 23:00.22 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 23:00.23 | NeoTron_ | the main issue isn't people manually installing stuff |
| 23:00.35 | NeoTron_ | you can still provide zip for those, who are a fraction of "autom updaters" |
| 23:00.39 | Aii | but do you really want to generate BOTH a zip and a bz2 |
| 23:00.41 | NeoTron_ | sure |
| 23:00.43 | NeoTron_ | why not? |
| 23:00.48 | NeoTron_ | disk space is hardly an issue here |
| 23:00.58 | NeoTron_ | nor is a few seconds of cpu time |
| 23:01.02 | Dashkal | You sure about the percentage of automatic updaters? Nuking WAU will change that balance quite a bit |
| 23:01.17 | Cryect2 | why not generate a 7z as well! |
| 23:01.25 | NeoTron_ | dunno how it compares to bz2 |
| 23:01.26 | Megalon | and ARJ! |
| 23:01.32 | Aii | and a .sit! |
| 23:02.05 | NeoTron_ | point is, the wowace bandwidth use could have been reduced by like 30% |
| 23:02.15 | NeoTron_ | simply bu changing to a different compression format |
| 23:02.19 | Aii | the other thing |
| 23:02.25 | Aii | is that at least with the curse updater |
| 23:02.32 | Aii | its not just pulling addons that have been auto packaged |
| 23:02.57 | NeoTron_ | if curse wants to save bandwidth costs for automatic updates, for the love of god don't use zip |
| 23:03.01 | NeoTron_ | it's like the worst format ever |
| 23:03.21 | NeoTron_ | provide zips for the manual downloads, used bz2 or something else for auto downloads |
| 23:03.27 | ZealotOnAStick | calls hyperbole there. |
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| 23:03.29 | Arrowmaster | 7z |
| 23:03.40 | ZealotOnAStick | I've been around long enough I know better. :P |
| 23:03.55 | NeoTron_ | even gzip saves over 20% |
| 23:04.17 | Dashkal | are you comparing default settings or gzip -9 to max zip? |
| 23:04.20 | ZealotOnAStick | even so, .zip is extremely widely supported, and has very, very easy to use drop-in libs to handle it. |
| 23:05.00 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm not arguing that bz2 or 7z or whatever isn't more efficient than .zip. I'm saying that it's not "like the worst format ever." |
| 23:05.02 | NeoTron_ | ZealotOnAStick: so obviously saving money is not the main interest |
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| 23:05.21 | NeoTron_ | and from ease of use, sure, but from bandwidth efficienct it's really bad |
| 23:05.34 | NeoTron_ | Dashkal: zip -9, default gzip/bz2 (via tar) |
| 23:05.44 | Arrowmaster | using 2 different files for normal files and files for updaters could cause even more problems though |
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| 23:05.49 | CIA-45 | 03arrowmaster 07WotLK * r79536 10Ace2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ace2: add ruRU translations so I don't forget them if another WotLK fix needs to be applied to trunk |
| 23:06.16 | NeoTron_ | gzip -9 saves another 2k |
| 23:06.29 | NeoTron_ | Arrowmaster: created automatically at the same times. theer is no problem |
| 23:06.55 | NeoTron_ | in fact it's very common software comes in multiple formats (like .tar.gz and .tar.bz2) |
| 23:07.09 | NeoTron_ | don't make up imaginary problems |
| 23:09.06 | CIA-45 | 03Fritos * r79537 10DailiesQuestTracker/ (29 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:09.06 | CIA-45 | DailiesQuestTracker: |
| 23:09.06 | CIA-45 | - Quest Giver Locations |
| 23:09.06 | CIA-45 | - Quest Waypoints |
| 23:09.06 | CIA-45 | - Money filtering |
| 23:09.07 | CIA-45 | - User AceComm Delay |
| 23:09.09 | CIA-45 | - Quests Accepted tracking |
| 23:09.20 | ZealotOnAStick | anyway, I'm heading home. Laterz. |
| 23:09.24 | NeoTron_ | alas, switching to bzip2 for automatic updates would likely save more money in bandwidth costs than you'd gain from "premium memberships" over time |
| 23:09.33 | NeoTron_ | >30% savings, and it's easy to verify |
| 23:09.44 | ZealotOnAStick | suggest it on CF via ticket or on the forums. |
| 23:09.46 | NeoTron_ | omen, for example, is 35% smaller as a bzip2 |
| 23:09.57 | NeoTron_ | I can't |
| 23:09.57 | Vonhinten | 7zip |
| 23:09.58 | ZealotOnAStick | Kaelten/Hubert/Kolie are the ones to convince. |
| 23:10.00 | NeoTron_ | don't have an account |
| 23:10.07 | NeoTron_ | and won't make one as long as "neotron" is someone else |
| 23:10.08 | Arrowmaster | the switch to the new system and not having people pulling new files on every minor update is going to save the most bandwidth |
| 23:10.52 | NeoTron_ | Arrowmaster: not arguing against that change, just saying that regardless of system not using zip is additional savings at a minor cost of storage/processing/coding |
| 23:11.06 | sb | hm yes, go use 7zip |
| 23:11.09 | NeoTron_ | plus the end user experience would be faster downloads |
| 23:11.20 | Dashkal | is 7z an open format? |
| 23:11.24 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:11.37 | Dashkal | I've yet to run across a second implementation of that one |
| 23:11.43 | Dashkal | Haven't looked, mind you |
| 23:11.50 | sb | http://www.7-zip.org/7z.html |
| 23:12.06 | NeoTron_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7z |
| 23:12.14 | Cryect2 | 7z is just really several other formats |
| 23:12.14 | Codayus | Yeah, 7z is open. AFAIK its best compression of any major format, but a little slow and not all that common. |
| 23:12.15 | NeoTron_ | seems to have a lot of cross platform implementations |
| 23:12.22 | vithos | http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html |
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| 23:12.31 | NeoTron_ | seems like 7z is more like avi - a container of various formats |
| 23:13.27 | NeoTron_ | but yes it's probably a good choice |
| 23:13.29 | Dashkal | sweet, they opened the compression code |
| 23:13.51 | Dashkal | heh, if the curse client were to pick up .7z, it would suddenly become pretty common :p |
| 23:14.04 | ckknight | actually Zealot's a bit wrong |
| 23:14.07 | ckknight | you gotta convince me, too |
| 23:14.10 | ckknight | I make the zips |
| 23:14.15 | Cryect2 | Its already pretty common |
| 23:14.21 | NeoTron_ | it seems more like a business case than anything |
| 23:14.26 | NeoTron_ | implementation is trivial |
| 23:14.38 | NeoTron_ | "want to save 30% bandwidth: Y/n" |
| 23:14.41 | ckknight | well, we'd have to support both zip and 7z (or whatever) |
| 23:14.46 | ckknight | which'd be complicated in the database |
| 23:14.46 | NeoTron_ | yes |
| 23:14.52 | NeoTron_ | ... no? |
| 23:15.00 | Vonhinten | 7zip supports bzip2 as one of its compression filters |
| 23:15.01 | ckknight | to make it so curse.com didn't show the 7z's and such |
| 23:15.01 | NeoTron_ | how could it possibly be "complicated"? |
| 23:15.27 | Dashkal | have the webapp provide the correct data depending on the agent? |
| 23:15.34 | Dashkal | or requested mime? |
| 23:15.42 | NeoTron_ | save the file in the database, if you wish, as "myaddon-vXXX" and display on site as "myaddon-vXXX.zip" and updater downloading "myaddon-vXXX.7z" |
| 23:15.43 | ckknight | and the addon service would need to be changed to send only the 7zs |
| 23:15.51 | ckknight | and the curse client would need to change to support 7z |
| 23:15.53 | vithos | i think if you were going to use 7z, it'd be for LZMA |
| 23:16.04 | Vonhinten | 7z packages are usually quite a bit smaller than normal .zip |
| 23:16.13 | NeoTron_ | ckknight: I'm aware that changes would have to be made but it's hardly difficult and the savings are real |
| 23:16.22 | NeoTron_ | very real and easily quantifiable |
| 23:16.23 | ckknight | given the overall landscape, it would be hard to implement |
| 23:16.28 | ckknight | I'm not denying that |
| 23:16.37 | Dashkal | ckknight: Just keep in mind that that one time developer cost would pay off in cold hard cash over time due to less bandwidth |
| 23:16.39 | Vonhinten | My addons when zip'd are like 26MB, when 7z they are 17MB |
| 23:16.54 | Arrowmaster | and since the curse client is going to support other sites wishing to opt in its still going to need to be able to pull both 7z and zips |
| 23:17.16 | NeoTron_ | Vonhinten: yeah it's 30-35% |
| 23:17.21 | Codayus | And ANYTHING that adds complexity means more bugs, more testing, more risk of issues. |
| 23:17.22 | Arrowmaster | so really the supported mime type in the headers would probably be a better way to go |
| 23:17.35 | NeoTron_ | it doesn't affect me in the slightest |
| 23:17.41 | NeoTron_ | it's purely a gain for curse |
| 23:17.52 | Vonhinten | I thought you guys were all about doing what's best, and screw client support... interesting how ideals change when something's on the line |
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| 23:18.25 | Aii | Vonhinten: what the hell are you talking about |
| 23:18.32 | Dashkal | Vonhinten: explain |
| 23:19.17 | Vonhinten | No reason to keep .zip around, it's old and doesn't compare to the new... |
| 23:19.26 | Aii | Hi, my name is Microsoft Windows |
| 23:19.30 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 23:19.46 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: could you just send the data to the client without an ending file extension and have the webserver pick the correct file depending on the headers the client sends saying what formats it supports? |
| 23:19.47 | Aii | and I provide built-in decompression support for Joe User, but only for .zip |
| 23:20.03 | Venara_ | Aii: good point ;> |
| 23:20.03 | fewyn | ~lart Belazor |
| 23:20.03 | purl | pours gasoline all over Belazor, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 23:20.04 | Codayus | And compression support for Joe Author. :-) |
| 23:20.14 | ckknight | well, netcurse has okayed the idea for later |
| 23:20.17 | ckknight | so that's good |
| 23:20.18 | NeoTron_ | Aii: who cares about joe user? let joe user use the installer |
| 23:20.26 | Aii | NeoTron_: obviously not you |
| 23:20.28 | NeoTron_ | ckknight: good to hear |
| 23:20.30 | Belazor | ~kill fewyn |
| 23:20.30 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxtachyon gun at fewyn |
| 23:20.34 | Vonhinten | built in? who wants built in anything... people fought MS in court to remove built in features |
| 23:20.37 | NeoTron_ | Aii: you're arguing that a site like wowace is for the user... |
| 23:20.40 | Vonhinten | can't have your cake and eat it too |
| 23:20.40 | NeoTron_ | it's not :) |
| 23:20.41 | ckknight | in any event, if we do it, it'll be a bit later |
| 23:20.41 | Codayus | NeoTron_: Not everyone uses the installer. |
| 23:20.43 | ckknight | not just yet |
| 23:20.52 | Aii | NeoTron_: No, I'm arguing that addon downloads are for the user |
| 23:20.56 | Aii | care you disagree? |
| 23:21.03 | NeoTron_ | from wowi/curse no |
| 23:21.04 | Aii | *care to |
| 23:21.06 | Gnarfoz | if he does, he's clearly not paying attention |
| 23:21.13 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: meaning if the curse client send headers saying it had a priority for 7z files over zip then the web server should automaticly send the 7z files right? that way it would still support other sites too that use psyn format |
| 23:21.14 | Aii | curse client is curse, NeoTron_ |
| 23:21.17 | NeoTron_ | from files.wowace.com/curseforge (yes I know it's technically the same as curse.com) yes |
| 23:21.19 | Gnarfoz | files. was never for authors, why would it ;p |
| 23:21.30 | NeoTron_ | Aii: curse client will also be the new wowace client |
| 23:21.46 | Gnarfoz | unitframe mods will have to implement live mana/energy updates themselves, right? :< |
| 23:21.50 | Aii | files.wowace isn't going to be where it's pulling wowace addons from though, NeoTron_ |
| 23:21.57 | NeoTron_ | I am aware |
| 23:22.02 | Aii | it's going to be pulling release versions... from curse |
| 23:22.03 | NeoTron_ | but it won't be curse.com either |
| 23:22.10 | Aii | or more specifically, curse's backend |
| 23:22.19 | NeoTron_ | yes but it's still separate |
| 23:22.19 | ckknight | meta-curse! |
| 23:22.30 | ckknight | actually we just call it "The Addon Service" here |
| 23:22.40 | NeoTron_ | regardless moving towards it (when time permits) is an obvious choice |
| 23:23.07 | Aii | Never said it wasn't an option |
| 23:23.15 | NeoTron_ | and trust me, a lot of people are too stupid to install "addon.zip" themself and I'm awaer of that |
| 23:23.20 | Aii | I was responding to Vonhinten who seemed to be implying .zip should just be dropped cold |
| 23:23.22 | NeoTron_ | which is why I'd point them to "go use this client foo" |
| 23:23.36 | ckknight | okay, I've explained to netcurse the upsides and downsides |
| 23:23.43 | ckknight | in any event, he's aware, that's important |
| 23:23.47 | Vonhinten | it should be |
| 23:23.54 | Arrowmaster | i always thought blizzard should have done something like unreal has done with installing mods |
| 23:24.06 | NeoTron_ | ckknight: netcurse, is that like the AI that controls curse, kind of like the "computer" in the matrix? |
| 23:24.14 | ckknight | he's the CEO |
| 23:24.17 | ckknight | also, French |
| 23:24.23 | Venara_ | Arrowmaster: selfinstalling .umod format? |
| 23:24.23 | ckknight | which is a bit weird, I admit |
| 23:24.25 | Codayus | Heh |
| 23:24.32 | NeoTron_ | did he surrender? |
| 23:24.42 | Arrowmaster | Venara_: yes, although .umod was really .zip renamed i think |
| 23:24.56 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt selfinstalling at all |
| 23:24.57 | Aii | ckknight: I guess I shouldn't tell any "WTS French Rifle" jokes around him then? :P |
| 23:25.05 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:25.13 | Aii | "Never fired, dropped once" |
| 23:25.18 | Codayus | From the "plans for the future thread": "What makes the ace framework from a user perspective popular?" |
| 23:25.19 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:25.23 | Codayus | I lolled. |
| 23:25.46 | ckknight | Codayus: link? |
| 23:25.53 | Codayus | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.msg233642#msg233642 |
| 23:26.06 | Aii | on a side note... wtb grep tool for forums |
| 23:26.20 | Codayus | That thread is a magnet for people with a post count of < 5 saying really amazingly stupid things. I love it. |
| 23:26.32 | NeoTron_ | http://images.pixelefx.com/wrath/WoWScrnShot_073008_030238.jpg |
| 23:26.35 | Aii | Codayus: you think that's bad, you should have seen the mmochampion thread :P |
| 23:26.38 | vithos | my AddOns\ directory is 12,480 KB zipped (with 7zip, ultra preset), 7,138 KB 7z LZMA (also ultra preset), 7,867 KB 7z PPMd ultra, 9,225 KB 7z BZip2 ultra |
| 23:26.47 | Codayus | Scary thought! |
| 23:27.02 | ckknight | vithos: and in zip? |
| 23:27.10 | ckknight | (to compare) |
| 23:27.11 | vithos | the first one |
| 23:27.15 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 23:27.29 | Aii | back in a few mins, heading home |
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| 23:28.00 | sb | damn, b'day and still no beta key :/ |
| 23:28.02 | NeoTron_ | 2 MB less than bzip2 is pretty impressive |
| 23:28.20 | sb | *zipping addons directory* |
| 23:28.22 | vithos | bzip2 also seemed to be the slowest, though i wasn't watching the exact time |
| 23:28.28 | Arrowmaster | it does take longer to extract but thats not really an issue |
| 23:28.29 | sylvanaar | Codayus no kidding - i love the <5 posters |
| 23:28.35 | Vonhinten | 7zip is fast as hell, from what I've seen |
| 23:28.41 | NeoTron_ | pretty big http://www.nutkitty.com/newwowpet2.jpg |
| 23:28.50 | NeoTron_ | vithos: bzip2 is slow as hell |
| 23:29.04 | NeoTron_ | it's really most effective on stuff like web log files with lots of repetetive data |
| 23:29.14 | sylvanaar | Codayus what's neat is you can sometimes catch the same person registering 2 aliases and talking to himself |
| 23:29.54 | sb | zip is 700kb/s, 7zip 1400kb/s for me :o |
| 23:30.09 | sylvanaar | please no 7zip warZ |
| 23:30.29 | sylvanaar | those are over, 7zip lost a long time ago |
| 23:30.32 | Vonhinten | there need not be a war, zip lost a loooong time ago |
| 23:30.33 | sb | 23mb vs. 13mb here ;) |
| 23:30.37 | sb | sylvanaar: yup? |
| 23:30.43 | sb | sylvanaar: why? |
| 23:31.34 | sylvanaar | because not enough people care about it |
| 23:32.01 | NeoTron_ | it's enough if the fine people at curse cares in this case |
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| 23:32.39 | Dashkal | "because not enough people care about it" Um, use that logic and nothing changes... ideas start with one person |
| 23:32.43 | Vonhinten | See, the idea is, you care for them. And when they can't open your file, and you tell them to go get 7zip, they do it, and all is well |
| 23:32.45 | Vonhinten | everyone wins |
| 23:33.04 | vithos | users don't even need to know what it is if the curse client supports it |
| 23:33.04 | Arrowmaster | winrar opens 7z too |
| 23:33.06 | sylvanaar | i know - i'm telling you why 7zip lost |
| 23:33.43 | Dashkal | we care, and collectively we provide the addons so our users suddenly care even if they don't know about it yet :p |
| 23:34.02 | sylvanaar | its better, but noone cares except its evangalists |
| 23:34.04 | Dashkal | but if it's hidden in the updater, they never even need to know |
| 23:34.10 | Vonhinten | does winzip open 7z? |
| 23:34.20 | Arrowmaster | people still use winzip? |
| 23:34.31 | sylvanaar | see thats your problem right there |
| 23:34.43 | Dashkal | oh god I ditched that thing years ago in favour of 7z, actually :p |
| 23:34.49 | sylvanaar | so out of touch... |
| 23:34.53 | aestil | i've been using winrar |
| 23:34.58 | aestil | what is this 7z you speak of. |
| 23:34.59 | sylvanaar | i use winrar too |
| 23:35.06 | Arrowmaster | i ditched it back when windows got native support for zip |
| 23:35.36 | aestil | clunky interface for it, imo. |
| 23:35.45 | sylvanaar | most people just use the native zip or the free winzip still |
| 23:36.04 | Arrowmaster | a lot of people have winrar though |
| 23:36.10 | sylvanaar | rar is too much for alot of people |
| 23:36.41 | sylvanaar | so 7zip is well...for enthusiasts |
| 23:36.47 | Codayus | The 7z program > winrar, if nothing else. |
| 23:37.00 | Codayus | I think |
| 23:38.15 | NeoTron_ | sylvanaar: it still is besides the point |
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| 23:38.24 | NeoTron_ | it wouldn't be you know.. visible |
| 23:39.04 | Dashkal | the users wouldn't know or care if we sent it base64 encoded text :p (Well, they might notice that downloads take longer...) |
| 23:39.20 | sylvanaar | unless you were interfacing directly, which they said they might allow later |
| 23:40.09 | Dashkal | If interfacing directly, the developers who write those tools with either adapt or not use the service |
| 23:40.39 | Codayus | If anyone cares, some vaguely interesting benchmarks here: |
| 23:40.40 | Codayus | http://warp.povusers.org/ArchiverComparison/ |
| 23:40.53 | NeoTron_ | sylvanaar: I never suggested droping zip entirely, just that replacing it for an auto-updated where you control all the steps is a very smart idea |
| 23:41.27 | NeoTron_ | sylvanaar: you can easily calculate the savings from doing it - end users couldn't, and shouldn't, care unless they use a modem or soemrhing bizarre |
| 23:41.39 | NeoTron_ | it's solely to help cut down costs for curse |
| 23:41.48 | sylvanaar | i see |
| 23:44.11 | NeoTron_ | I have no illusion of zip being replaced as the "defacto user compression format" any time soon |
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| 23:45.21 | NeoTron_ | zip is really nice for times where you want to access the file in a random order (say game data files) since you can just open the index, find the file, seek to the right position and open it |
| 23:45.50 | sylvanaar | i'm not questioning its technical merits |
| 23:46.16 | ckknight | Codayus: thanks for that |
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| 23:47.01 | kadrahil | whoa JoshBorke |
| 23:47.03 | kadrahil | ltns |
| 23:47.25 | JoshBorke | i'm here every day :P |
| 23:47.32 | kadrahil | i'm not though! |
| 23:48.00 | JoshBorke | still not playing wow :-P |
| 23:48.19 | sylvanaar | i renewed my subscriptions - but im not playing either |
| 23:48.19 | kadrahil | oh i started playing again back in like |
| 23:48.23 | kadrahil | sometime last semester |
| 23:48.28 | sylvanaar | just paying |
| 23:48.30 | kadrahil | i've been raiding bt and hyjal with a guild all summer |
| 23:48.35 | Codayus | I'm playing WoW, but I haven't logged in for a few weeks... |
| 23:48.37 | JoshBorke | nice |
| 23:48.45 | kadrahil | why aren't you playing still :( |
| 23:49.02 | JoshBorke | bored with it |
| 23:49.04 | JoshBorke | too much other stuff to do |
| 23:49.18 | Codayus | But somehow I still think of myself as "playing", even though I'm not. Weird. |
| 23:49.53 | sylvanaar | are you playing on that other server now? |
| 23:50.31 | Codayus | In theory, sorta. |
| 23:50.45 | Codayus | Actually, at the moment, I'm not leveling a horde alt. |
| 23:50.54 | Codayus | As opposed to not playing my alliance main. :-) |
| 23:51.04 | sylvanaar | i logged in over there - i dont think i can /who on a level 1 |
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| 23:54.14 | ckknight | sylvanaar: yay |
| 23:54.54 | Codayus | Hard to get much motivation to play with the xpac coming... |
| 23:54.57 | sylvanaar | !bash ckknight |
| 23:55.06 | ckknight | what? |
| 23:55.11 | ckknight | less spam |
| 23:55.22 | sylvanaar | what |
| 23:55.48 | ckknight | if spammers can't /who, then they can't get names to spam |
| 23:56.51 | sylvanaar | oh, i didnt know what you meant |
| 23:59.58 | chiper | sylvanaar.... I thought you quit playing wow |
