IRC log for #wowace on 20080805

`00:01.22`	`*** join/#wowace Ghli (n=Ghli@32.159.106.175)`
`00:04.25`	`*** join/#wowace Guardix (i=martin_j@0x573b7a90.hinqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk)`
`00:08.08`	`Primer`	`still can't figure out how to apply riding crop to my dreadsteed...`
`00:08.43`	`Ackis`	`on beta?`
`00:08.51`	`Ackis`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CloseAuctionHouse Is there an openAH at all?`
`00:10.55`	`Primer`	`yes, on beta`
`00:10.56`	`Aiiane`	`doubt it, since that involves interacting with an NPC in the world`
`00:11.00`	`*** join/#wowace Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal)`
`00:11.01`	`illixil`	`k so whats everyone up to`
`00:13.14`	`Ackis`	`Aiiane: I'm playing around w/ a macro to automagically put things on the AH hehe`
`00:14.57`	`Xinhuan`	`what are all these random people getting wotlk beta invites instead of the addon authors =.=`
`00:16.59`	`syeren`	`It's awesome :p`
`00:17.17`	`syeren`	`Top end raider and top end arena player and complete randoms are getting them \o/`
`00:18.30`	`Ackis`	`wwi/blizzcon?`
`00:19.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`no they have done random invites`
`00:19.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`random opt-in invites that is`
`00:19.14`	`Matrix110\|`	`OptIn`
`00:19.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`yet the addon authors havent gotten any yet......`
`00:19.53`	`Matrix110\|`	`I think AddOn authors are prolly the best bug detecting people they can get :P`
`00:20.02`	`Vonhinten`	`all you guys are gonna do is idle and work on addons... betas are about testing all aspects of the release ;)`
`00:20.04`	`Matrix110\|`	`Raiders/Arena guys are more balancing people`
`00:20.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`Vonhinten: no were not`
`00:20.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`Vonhinten: if you think ALL I am doing is hacking addons you're sorely mistaken`
`00:20.30`	`Neo\|Home`	`will I do that, yes, but not only`
`00:20.32`	`Jygga`	`hi, is Cartographer_Routes or Routes the active version ?`
`00:20.35`	`syeren`	`Yeah, and considering how WotLK is just damage fest at the moment, like TBC currently is :p`
`00:20.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's not like I never PLAY wow`
`00:20.42`	`syeren`	`They should like invite some :p`
`00:20.49`	`Stanzilla`	`Jygga: Routes`
`00:21.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`were going to play the game and claim to be working on addons`
`00:21.34`	`Matrix110\|`	`Or well raiders/arena people arent actually trying to get balanced they just want their own class(es) to be overpowered`
`00:21.35`	`Matrix110\|`	`:D`
`00:21.36`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm pretty sure more than half of us in this channel raid (in sunwell)`
`00:21.49`	`Matrix110\|`	`I doubt that Xinhuan :P`
`00:22.02`	`Matrix110\|`	`But of the active people here quite some`
`00:22.07`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm pretty sure ackis has killed KJ for one`
`00:22.15`	`Ackis`	`I hve`
`00:22.18`	`Ackis`	`s/hve/have/`
`00:22.25`	`Xinhuan`	`people like arrow, neo, bigwigs/omen authors etc all raid`
`00:22.42`	`Matrix110\|`	`well else it would be quite odd they develop these addons :P`
`00:22.46`	`Xinhuan`	`and raiding addons like Grid, etc are all obviously written by people who raid`
`00:23.01`	`Stanzilla`	`on my server all the gladiators got invites`
`00:23.03`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: you know what they say about assumptions?`
`00:23.12`	`Xinhuan`	`i dunno`
`00:23.18`	`syeren`	`I didn't get any :<`
`00:23.18`	`Matrix110\|`	`ask ckknight what his highest character is :D`
`00:23.24`	`Ackis`	`there are a few well known authors who don't raid, some that don't even play`
`00:23.26`	`Xinhuan`	`he's like a special cat`
`00:23.34`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: assumptions make an ass out of me and you ;)`
`00:23.36`	`Xinhuan`	`and we all know that ^^`
`00:23.48`	`Xinhuan`	`do you think i have a character with a gathering profession? ;p`
`00:23.56`	`Matrix110\|`	`I almost fell out of my char when ckknight said his highest character is lvl 37`
`00:24.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`*chair`
`00:24.07`	`Xinhuan`	`i wrote gathermate/routes and i don't have a gatherer character ^_^`
`00:24.24`	`Matrix110\|`	`well behind Routes is atleast some intresting stuff programming wise`
`00:24.39`	`Matrix110\|`	`But Omen for example is just a pain in the ass if you are not raiding :P`
`00:24.39`	`Xinhuan`	`but anyway, addons are typically written by people who need them`
`00:24.46`	`Ackis`	`can I simulate a alt-click on an item with a /script function?`
`00:24.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`I definitely make my addons out of need`
`00:24.53`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: did you get my PM yesterdya?`
`00:25.06`	`Xinhuan`	`irc pm, forum pm, email pm, ingame pm or what?`
`00:25.10`	`Ackis`	`irc`
`00:25.14`	`Xinhuan`	`probably not`
`00:25.17`	`Xinhuan`	`what was it about`
`00:25.24`	`Ackis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:25.24`	`Ackis`	`-`
`00:25.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`MagicMarker because I was so annoyed at slow (and inconsistent) marking of mobs in raids, Magic Targets because I want to get a view of mobs we're currently engaged with, MagicDKP because CTRT sucks (and then finally broke) etc`
`00:25.35`	`Matrix110\|`	`ewww wowui`
`00:25.37`	`Xinhuan`	`i believe they removed it`
`00:25.40`	`Ackis`	`k`
`00:25.49`	`Xinhuan`	`after i sent in a "report this mod"`
`00:26.13`	`Xinhuan`	`they only took 2 days though`
`00:26.23`	`Matrix110\|`	`CTRT's tracking part was awesome it was just a bit inefficently memory wise for me :D`
`00:26.29`	`Xinhuan`	`and technically, my request was either to remove the mod, OR to transfer authorship to me`
`00:26.35`	`Ackis`	`ahh`
`00:26.40`	`Xinhuan`	`they chose the first apparently`
`00:26.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`ctrt often did the wrong thing`
`00:26.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`often had to manually fix complete exports`
`00:26.53`	`Jygga`	`hm Routes got no Cartographer_Quests support eh?`
`00:26.54`	`Ackis`	`so apparently this macro fails: /script local _, itemCount = GetContainerItemInfo(bagID, slot);for i=1,itemCount,1 do SplitContainerItem(0,1,1);PickupContainerItem(0,2);PickupContainerItem(0,2);ClickAuctionSellItemButton() end`
`00:26.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`partially it's ebcause the export format is bad and ctrt importer is equally bad`
`00:27.04`	`Matrix110\|`	`Well I never tried to be dependend on some mod`
`00:27.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`but MagicDKP "just works"`
`00:27.10`	`Matrix110\|`	`so i never used the export`
`00:27.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have tried to write stuff for the eqdkp ctrt importer`
`00:27.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`its so fucking bad`
`00:27.29`	`Xinhuan`	`btw do any of you have experience with video editing?`
`00:27.32`	`Matrix110\|`	`I just used ctrt to track the dkp for progress raids`
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`00:27.37`	`Neo\|Home`	`the CTRT export format is retarded`
`00:27.47`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: I've made some "homemade" movies before giggles`
`00:27.48`	`Matrix110\|`	`"experience" in which way Xinhuan?`
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`00:28.01`	`Xinhuan`	`wow videos that is`
`00:28.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`the eqdkp ctrt importer completely ignores the xml section listing characters and their class/level`
`00:28.33`	`Matrix110\|`	`Complex editing ala lets say Illegal Danish videos or just the usual fight movie stuff?`
`00:28.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: look at the MagicDKP exporter sometimes. it's dumb`
`00:28.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`like each entry has a "zone" and "boss" entry`
`00:28.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`and instead need the Join xml section to tell it the class and level`
`00:28.44`	`Ackis`	`http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/Ackis/WoW%20Screenshots/?action=view&current=CostOwned.flv`
`00:28.49`	`Ackis`	`that's my only wow video`
`00:28.51`	`Neo\|Home`	`the import instead looks at the freetext "notes" field`
`00:29.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll say complex enough stuff`
`00:29.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`Neo\|Home: yeah that too`
`00:29.09`	`Hjalte`	`Tekkub: Is TourGuide aware of the changes to leveling made by blizzard? such as elite --> non-elites?`
`00:29.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`and pretty much guesses crap`
`00:29.19`	`Xinhuan`	`what program do you use to do editing?`
`00:29.26`	`Matrix110\|`	`AdobePremiere`
`00:29.29`	`Matrix110\|`	`or SonyVegas`
`00:29.31`	`Xinhuan`	`version?`
`00:29.38`	`Matrix110\|`	`newest:P`
`00:29.43`	`Xinhuan`	`which is better?`
`00:29.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`and you can't import an event without an item (so for no-item events, i.e raid start and such, I add 1xnetherweave cloth to the export which subsequently is ignored)`
`00:29.49`	`Matrix110\|`	`http://vimeo.com/1084196 http://vimeo.com/1177279`
`00:29.52`	`Matrix110\|`	`2 of mine`
`00:29.54`	`Matrix110\|`	`not awesome`
`00:29.59`	`Matrix110\|`	`but I like them and that coutns :D`
`00:30.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`I've been meaning to write a different sane exported XML format, and a sane importer but haven't gotten to it since the current method works`
`00:30.57`	`Xinhuan`	`which editing program is better in your opinion and why?`
`00:31.06`	`Matrix110\|`	`well....`
`00:31.17`	`Matrix110\|`	`I dont use even a fraction of the programs to make those videos`
`00:31.38`	`Xinhuan`	`well... you've used both so surely you have an opinion ;p`
`00:31.38`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: I used windows movie maker, why not start with that (it's free) to learn/get the feel of it?`
`00:31.51`	`Matrix110\|`	`Adobe Premiere is used by far more atleast and offers everything you need :P`
`00:31.54`	`Xinhuan`	`because wmv maker sucks, i've tried it`
`00:32.10`	`Ackis`	`that's what I used for my mollestation video`
`00:32.12`	`Matrix110\|`	`Adobe Premiere and AfterEffects are used in many movie productions aswell`
`00:32.14`	`Xinhuan`	`only took me 1 hour to find the option to encode in the video size resolution you want`
`00:32.24`	`Xinhuan`	`instead of them forcing it to some standard ratio`
`00:32.57`	`Matrix110\|`	`I like Premiere more than SonyVegas because the the way you can add "easy" effects is way easier`
`00:33.22`	`Matrix110\|`	`But as I said I dont use a fraction of what the programs are capable of`
`00:34.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`In Premiere you got all the standard stuff but can define your own profile if wanted`
`00:34.22`	`Matrix110\|`	`Ive rendered my videos in 1680x1050 for example`
`00:34.35`	`Primer`	`Champion's Hall is no longer a separate zone`
`00:34.58`	`Primer`	`I wonder why that was ever the case in the first place...`
`00:35.24`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't even think wmv can render movies at 2x speed ;p`
`00:35.26`	`Hjalte`	`Primer: Because you needed to be a knight to enter pre-tbc.`
`00:35.35`	`Primer`	`ahh`
`00:35.41`	`Vonhinten`	`Vegas+After Effects > *`
`00:35.55`	`Xinhuan`	`imagine doing a void reaver video, it'll be boring without speeding it up haha`
`00:36.25`	`Vonhinten`	`you practically need a degree to use after effects well though`
`00:36.59`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, but it's just an art degree`
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`00:37.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`cloth healing glove tailoring pattern just droped in sunwell, i rolled a 1 and the next roll was a 99 lol`
`00:37.28`	`Matrix110\|`	`BoE`
`00:37.32`	`Matrix110\|`	`carepolice :P`
`00:37.39`	`Vonhinten`	`we've had a lot of sunwell pug farming groups going lately...`
`00:37.45`	`Matrix110\|`	`(the gloves that is)`
`00:38.12`	`Vonhinten`	`so far seen many sunmotes, the eng plan for the pally healing helm, a healing helm and a healing robe (I think)`
`00:38.37`	`Vonhinten`	`and a few random trash epics`
`00:39.11`	`Primer`	`Anyone know if barbers are implemented yet, and if so, where are they?`
`00:39.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`they are`
`00:39.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`ask a guard`
`00:39.33`	`Primer`	`I did`
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`00:40.26`	`Primer`	`no narber`
`00:40.28`	`Primer`	`barber`
`00:40.48`	`Primer`	`unless there isn't one in Stormwind, which is where I happen to find myself currently`
`00:42.22`	`Jygga`	`somebody using questhelper here aka "how to twink in nobrain mode"`
`00:44.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`trash drop rate is simply too low in SWP`
`00:44.16`	`Matrix110\|`	`they didnt change it after removing the quest to open the gates`
`00:44.19`	`Matrix110\|`	`thats the main problem`
`00:44.30`	`Matrix110\|`	`you got 1 epic pattern each bosskill by that`
`00:44.30`	`Neo\|Home`	`what about the quest?`
`00:44.40`	`Matrix110\|`	`If you hand in the Q-item you got 1 random pattern`
`00:44.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`well that's BS`
`00:45.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`imho each boss should drop something too but esp muru trash needs to have drop rates upped considerably`
`00:45.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`or make the BoE patterns buyable once twins are dead or something`
`00:45.27`	`Xinhuan`	`i have a question though... when you upload videos, does warcraftmovies automatically tack on their 15 second video logo in front of something?`
`00:45.38`	`Matrix110\|`	`Xinhuan they review every Video`
`00:45.43`	`Matrix110\|`	`before it gets added`
`00:45.47`	`Primer`	`OMG this barber shop is great!`
`00:45.54`	`Matrix110\|`	`without the logo it takes ~7days till approval`
`00:45.56`	`Primer`	`They now need to implement plastic surgeon!`
`00:45.56`	`Xinhuan`	`so they do tack it on?`
`00:45.59`	`Matrix110\|`	`with logo 1-3days`
`00:46.18`	`Xinhuan`	`so is that logo something that is downloadable for you to tack on yourself?`
`00:46.21`	`Matrix110\|`	`if you dont upload the video to them it takes weeks till approval`
`00:46.26`	`Matrix110\|`	`yes Xinhuan sec`
`00:46.43`	`Matrix110\|`	`http://warcraftmovies.com/linkus.php`
`00:47.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`"If your submition gets approved you will get 1 week free Premium access." <--bullshit though :P`
`00:49.29`	`Matrix110\|`	`Oh and if you arent using xvid be sure to write a tutorial in the admin note`
`00:49.49`	`Matrix110\|`	`else they "cant view the movie" and trash it :P`
`00:50.14`	`Matrix110\|`	`depends on the mod though I guess :D`
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`00:55.35`	`illixil`	`is it possible to set up a macro to equip a set of armor to you?`
`00:56.29`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
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`00:58.09`	`Matrix110\|`	`illixil possible yes but you might want to take a look at ClosetGnome`
`00:59.15`	`illixil`	`whys that`
`00:59.38`	`Xinhuan`	`because that macro would tend to end up being too long`
`00:59.45`	`illixil`	`ah`
`00:59.55`	`Xinhuan`	`or very cryptic with lots of numbers`
`01:00.00`	`illixil`	`well i was thinking eventually i'll be maxed out`
`01:00.03`	`Xinhuan`	`as each item has a number associated with it`
`01:00.12`	`illixil`	`and i'll need different sets of armor for different types of enemies`
`01:00.25`	`illixil`	`like higher intel vs a mage`
`01:01.23`	`illixil`	`idk`
`01:01.39`	`Matrix110\|`	`In ClosetGnome you can define different Sets of gear`
`01:02.02`	`Xinhuan`	`and download plugins to switch gear automatically on say changing zones, or evocating`
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`01:02.57`	`Matrix110\|`	`I use evocation inc ombat no use equipping something else :P`
`01:03.12`	`Matrix110\|`	`the few more int from a "int" staff are not worth the delay`
`01:04.43`	`illixil`	`evocation?`
`01:06.34`	`Primer`	`wow, these new holy priest haste talents rock`
`01:07.24`	`Matrix110\|`	`illixil mage skill where he gets mana back (alot) :P`
`01:08.10`	`Primer`	`but leaves you susceptible to more damage?`
`01:08.46`	`illixil`	`oh i'm a warrior`
`01:08.52`	`Primer`	`it's strange to see that I have more bonus damage than healing now`
`01:09.05`	`illixil`	`i figured if i had a set of equipment with wicked high int i'd take less damage from a mage`
`01:09.13`	`Matrix110\|`	`uhm now`
`01:09.38`	`Matrix110\|`	`The only way to get less damage is resistances`
`01:09.52`	`Matrix110\|`	`(from spells)`
`01:10.01`	`illixil`	`ah`
`01:10.07`	`illixil`	`so higher int wont work`
`01:10.08`	`illixil`	`?`
`01:10.18`	`Matrix110\|`	`Int has 0 use for a Warrior`
`01:10.51`	`illixil`	`hmm`
`01:11.04`	`illixil`	`so pretty much i'm fucked vs a mage`
`01:11.18`	`Matrix110\|`	`either way yes`
`01:11.26`	`Primer`	`what was +81 healing is now +43 "spell power"`
`01:11.39`	`Matrix110\|`	`If you dont have a dispeller Mages eat warriors`
`01:11.59`	`Primer`	`I wonder if it's the same on my warlock's dagger, which has +40 spell`
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`01:12.19`	`illixil`	`dispeller?`
`01:12.21`	`Primer`	`heh, liking this new haircut`
`01:12.26`	`Primer`	`priest?`
`01:12.29`	`Primer`	`dispel magic`
`01:12.34`	`illixil`	`ah`
`01:13.11`	`Primer`	`my dagger still has +40 spell power`
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`01:13.21`	`Primer`	`I wonder if the enchant is now different too`
`01:13.41`	`Matrix110\|`	`No`
`01:13.44`	`Primer`	`hehe the enchant is the same same`
`01:13.46`	`Matrix110\|`	`enchants didnt change so far`
`01:13.51`	`Primer`	`+81 healing`
`01:13.51`	`Matrix110\|`	`But prolly will`
`01:14.04`	`Matrix110\|`	`Its a bit odd anyway`
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`01:14.09`	`Matrix110\|`	`Windfury is Melee Haste`
`01:14.17`	`Matrix110\|`	`Wrath of Air Spell Haste`
`01:14.31`	`Matrix110\|`	`but in the patchnotes they said Haste = spell haste and melee haste :D`
`01:14.37`	`Matrix110\|`	`there is no difference anymore`
`01:17.00`	`Primer`	`heh, looks like they fixed the pier in SW harbor`
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`01:17.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats haste rating`
`01:17.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`i bet the totems are %`
`01:17.17`	`Matrix110\|`	`they are`
`01:17.20`	`Matrix110\|`	`but still`
`01:17.36`	`Matrix110\|`	`And merging healing and damage to spell power just fucks clothies even more in instances :P`
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`01:18.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`But I hope the items differ still with mp5/crit/hit enough so healers dont want dmg items...`
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`01:18.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`they should`
`01:18.48`	`Matrix110\|`	`And by Blizzard enforcing almost all specs every class gets their own item 100% if it drops besides Mages/Warlocks/Shadowpriests .... and not a ring/neck/back`
`01:19.09`	`Matrix110\|`	`giev a good token system plx`
`01:21.10`	`Matrix110\|`	`Elemental Shaman if you even have 1 in the raid he just needs his item dropping(which has the same chance as every other item) while Mages have their items drop and then win against 2-3 other classes that can use em....`
`01:21.17`	`illixil`	`wtf`
`01:21.27`	`illixil`	`i've been seeing a lot of horde lately... why cant i attack them`
`01:21.39`	`Matrix110\|`	`PvP is not enabled`
`01:21.44`	`illixil`	`oh`
`01:21.53`	`Matrix110\|`	`or you are in a Zone like Shattrath`
`01:22.10`	`illixil`	`i'm in southshore`
`01:22.33`	`Matrix110\|`	`then pvp is not enabled`
`01:22.44`	`Matrix110\|`	`because you play on a PvE(Normal) Server`
`01:23.04`	`illixil`	`damn`
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`01:23.14`	`Matrix110\|`	`they have to do /pvp (or attack some alliance person with it) to be pvp flagged so you can attack them`
`01:23.27`	`illixil`	`ah alright`
`01:23.33`	`illixil`	`what happens if i do /pvp?`
`01:23.52`	`Matrix110\|`	`then you get pvp flagged and Horde can attack you`
`01:25.02`	`illixil`	`ah ok`
`01:25.09`	`illixil`	`sweet`
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`01:25.40`	`Matrix110\|`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/realmtypes.html#PvP`
`01:27.26`	`illixil`	`oh holy shit i havent had to double click something in a LONG time`
`01:27.32`	`CIA-45`	`03morgalm * r79782 10MorgDKP/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`01:27.32`	`CIA-45`	`MorgDKP:`
`01:27.32`	`CIA-45`	`- WEB: Fix for special chars being replaced 2x in some cases and a couple bug fixes`
`01:27.32`	`CIA-45`	`- Fix nil error with undefined pool`
`01:27.32`	`CIA-45`	`- Changed automatic capitalization of main/alt when adding alias as capitalizing a special character made it unrecognisable (God I hate those things:P)`
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`01:31.55`	`illixil`	`so who of you are allince and whos whorde`
`01:32.00`	`illixil`	`alliance*`
`01:32.31`	`Comxx`	`alliance`
`01:32.43`	`Dark_Elf`	`both`
`01:32.52`	`illixil`	`ah`
`01:36.02`	`Dark_Elf`	`mumbles to self that blizzard messed up when they made burning crusade, blood elves should of been aliance since they were drove from their land by the lich king and draenai should of been horde aliens but oh well, crap happens`
`01:37.00`	`Matrix110\|`	`Blood elves are horde because they wanted horde to havy a fancy looking race aswell`
`01:37.27`	`Matrix110\|`	`Orcs/Taurens/Undeads/Trolls are all so EVIL and BAD`
`01:37.35`	`Matrix110\|`	`Bloodelves got the gelf look all over`
`01:37.44`	`Aiiane`	`and "hi, we locked up a naaru" blood elves aren't?`
`01:38.19`	`Matrix110\|`	`not really`
`01:38.32`	`Aiiane`	`shrugs`
`01:38.42`	`Aiiane`	`the orcs and tauren arent really evil`
`01:38.49`	`Aiiane`	`trolls are just sort of kooky`
`01:39.15`	`Aiiane`	`the undead, sure, they're coldhearted bastards :P`
`01:39.43`	`Aiiane`	`"oh look, we captured a prisoner, what shall we do with him? test a biological weapon!"`
`01:39.47`	`Matrix110\|`	`its just the look now the lore`
`01:39.50`	`Matrix110\|`	`*not`
`01:39.57`	`Aiiane`	`meh`
`01:40.04`	`Aiiane`	`lore, what lore :P`
`01:40.04`	`Matrix110\|`	`99.999999999999% dont even know a fraction of the lore :P`
`01:40.41`	`Dark_Elf`	`best part about the undead is they are canibals, i just wish blizzard would of made the corpses disapeer after eating them or at least made them bloody or something to show they been ate on`
`01:41.12`	`Diao`	`they been ate on`
`01:41.14`	`Diao`	`o_o`
`01:41.25`	`Matrix110\|`	`yes please then it would be 18+ in germany and kids couldnt play it anymore`
`01:41.51`	`Dark_Elf`	`well maybe show bones then lol`
`01:44.37`	`fewyn`	`!ar 1500`
`01:44.37`	`Xinhuan`	`1500 arena points require 2963(5s), INF(3s) and INF(2s) team rating.`
`01:44.44`	`fewyn`	`oh`
`01:44.47`	`fewyn`	`i did that wrong`
`01:44.50`	`fewyn`	`ponders`
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`01:45.24`	`Aiiane`	`ap`
`01:45.36`	`Aiiane`	`!ap 1570`
`01:45.37`	`Xinhuan`	`1570 rating gives 426(5s), 375(3s) and 324(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`01:45.48`	`fewyn`	`!ap 1500`
`01:45.49`	`Xinhuan`	`1500 rating gives 344(5s), 302(3s) and 261(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`01:45.51`	`fewyn`	`thanks Aii`
`01:45.54`	`fewyn`	`ane`
`01:46.08`	`Aiiane`	`Aii is me too :)`
`01:49.32`	`fewyn`	`=p`
`01:50.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`ugg i keep felling like im going to pull aggro on brut, and im not even using food buffs`
`01:50.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`and im using fire spells instead of shadow spells just so i can sac an imp for no shard cost instead of a sucubus`
`01:51.09`	`illixil`	`wow`
`01:51.12`	`illixil`	`i have no idea what you just said`
`01:51.14`	`illixil`	`=[`
`01:51.14`	`Aiiane`	`do you have emberstorm/imp immo?`
`01:51.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`01:51.28`	`Aiiane`	`well then why would that be any different from shadow aggro wise`
`01:51.33`	`Aiiane`	`the two specs are comparable`
`01:51.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have an almost fully valid fire spec`
`01:51.47`	`Lanerra`	`Is there a simple function for clamping a frame to the screen?`
`01:51.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just have imp shadowbolt instead of cat`
`01:52.03`	`Matrix110\|`	`Arrowmaster what tanks are ou using?`
`01:52.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok nvm`
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`01:53.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just did pull aggro`
`01:53.25`	`Matrix110\|`	`you irc while fighting? .P`
`01:53.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`01:53.35`	`DARKGuy`	`it's fun :D`
`01:53.48`	`Matrix110\|`	`awesome dedication!`
`01:53.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just pulled aggro before the first transition`
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`01:54.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`Before the 2nd tank taunts?`
`01:54.10`	`Aiiane`	`soulshatter bound to ~`
`01:54.13`	`Matrix110\|`	`well our Warlocks wand the first 20sec @Brutallus`
`01:54.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`we are still learning the fight`
`01:54.15`	`Aiiane`	`is a warlock's salvation`
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`01:54.36`	`Matrix110\|`	`What tanks are you using and whos the first of them?`
`01:54.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`theyre telling me to push it as hard as i can`
`01:54.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`druid then warrior`
`01:54.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`and i pulled while i was below the druid`
`01:54.57`	`Matrix110\|`	`As a Warlock you CANT go allout`
`01:54.57`	`Aiiane`	`i wonder if they realize how hard "as hard as you can" is for a warlock :P`
`01:55.11`	`Matrix110\|`	`Our Warlocks wand the first 20sec`
`01:55.15`	`Groktar`	`our locks can mostly go all out after they shatter`
`01:55.19`	`Diao`	`press that 1 key!`
`01:55.25`	`Matrix110\|`	`Then they go allout till they are close to overaggro then they shatter`
`01:55.26`	`Aiiane`	`when you shatter is a big factor though`
`01:55.54`	`Matrix110\|`	`then you can go allout till almost the end of the fight`
`01:55.57`	`Aiiane`	`it's a balancing act between holding off too much before shatter, and holding off too little and getting next to nothing from shatter`
`01:56.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`01:56.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i always try to push really hard before shattering`
`01:56.19`	`Matrix110\|`	`lifetapping is a good way to let the tanks gain some threat :D`
`01:56.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`like p3 ROS`
`01:57.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`yesterday i shattered on RoS at like 50% and still ended the fight as highest on threat`
`01:57.21`	`Matrix110\|`	`well RoS P3 casters get dmg increase`
`01:57.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`i should put -threat on my kara cloak`
`01:57.40`	`Matrix110\|`	`if you are at 50% your Shadowbolt only does like ~50% more dmg while at 10% it does 100-150% more :P`
`01:57.57`	`Matrix110\|`	`Tank does not gain more threat`
`01:58.15`	`Matrix110\|`	`But at around 50% he can tauntlock RoS till its dead`
`01:59.20`	`fewyn`	`this team is actualling doing better than i thought`
`01:59.26`	`fewyn`	`bm hunter, feral druid and ms warror`
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`03:09.57`	`NeoTron`	`another batch of invites sent out not to addon authors. /bummer`
`03:10.45`	`ulic`	`o'rly?`
`03:11.01`	`NeoTron`	`yep`
`03:11.06`	`NeoTron`	`blue post`
`03:11.18`	`NeoTron`	`well didn't say "not to addon authorS" just that he/she didn't know to whom`
`03:11.43`	`ulic`	`and you didn't get one, so you assumed :)`
`03:12.37`	`ulic`	`my gmail remains empty :(`
`03:12.44`	`NeoTron`	`indeed`
`03:12.54`	`NeoTron`	`it was 1.5 hrs ago or more`
`03:12.59`	`NeoTron`	`not sure if perhaps email is slowish`
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`03:14.10`	`Xinhuan`	`my inbox is empty`
`03:14.13`	`Xinhuan`	`so its prob not us`
`03:16.10`	`ulic`	`grrr`
`03:18.12`	`Industrial`	`same`
`03:18.20`	`Industrial`	`can I roll a DK right away?`
`03:18.27`	`Industrial`	`if so, http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=jbhtxIfzisoguZZbhxzxho`
`03:18.30`	`Industrial`	`discuss..`
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`03:21.06`	`Xinhuan`	`not worth discussing because those talents are going to be changed every 3 days`
`03:21.32`	`Industrial`	`really? in beta still?`
`03:21.43`	`Xinhuan`	`not been reading mmo-champion.com?`
`03:21.48`	`Industrial`	`no`
`03:21.53`	`Xinhuan`	`the last 5 days of news are all major changes to every class`
`03:21.58`	`Industrial`	`hmm`
`03:22.01`	`Xinhuan`	`particularly the talent trees`
`03:22.08`	`Xinhuan`	`and that's just 5 days`
`03:22.16`	`Xinhuan`	`try reading the news backlog back 30 days`
`03:22.30`	`Industrial`	`yeha:p`
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`03:24.37`	`NeoTron`	`they definitely are changing a lot of things`
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`03:29.20`	`CIA-45`	`03LordFarlander * r79783 10MiniPet/README.txt:`
`03:29.20`	`CIA-45`	`MiniPet:`
`03:29.20`	`CIA-45`	`- Readme fix`
`03:30.35`	`Industrial`	`Blood-Caked Blade: Your melee attacks and abilities blah blah`
`03:30.44`	`Industrial`	`i read Blood-Baked Cake`
`03:30.46`	`Industrial`	`=D`
`03:30.59`	`Industrial`	`YOU ARE PREPARED`
`03:31.11`	`Dark_Elf`	`i suspect another librarylordfarlander update soon hehe`
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`03:41.55`	`Dark_Elf`	`wonders if there is a banana cake recipe hidden in recipes somewhere, those bananas i keep finding sure would make good cake`
`03:43.03`	`Dark_Elf`	`i know blizzard its probably hidden somewhere hehe`
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`04:39.13`	`vithos`	`lol, why is "www.mmo" blocked by blizzard`
`04:39.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`spam`
`04:39.44`	`vithos`	`matches www.mmo-champion.com`
`04:39.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah =(`
`04:39.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can say mmo-champion.com though`
`04:40.05`	`Arrowmaster`	and Bibi` should be here soon
`04:51.19`	`Ackis`	`MY MILKSHAKE BRINGS ALL THE GIRLS TO THE YARD`
`04:51.44`	`Pazza_`	`0.o`
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`04:53.23`	`moocow1337`	`you've got the best balls in the whole world chef`
`04:53.36`	`moocow1337`	`wtfux`
`04:53.39`	`moocow1337`	`my name changed`
`04:53.44`	`moocow1337`	`asdf`
`05:03.19`	`steev`	`is there a way to differentiate between a heroic boss and a non-heroic boss?`
`05:03.44`	`steev`	`my issue - i have the following code`
`05:04.12`	`steev`	`if select(2, IsInInstance()) == "party" and GetInstanceDifficulty() == 2 then heroic_zone(dstName) end`
`05:04.22`	`steev`	`but... even if i go into a normal instance`
`05:04.25`	`steev`	`it says im in a heroic`
`05:08.30`	`steev`	`im just wondering if the only way to tell if its a heroic or not, is with GetInstanceDifficulty()`
`05:13.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`fuck i think i need a new mouse or mousepad, or both`
`05:13.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`finding spots its not tracking properly`
`05:19.02`	`ulic`	`steev: I believe so.`
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`05:42.03`	`Groktar`	`muru 30% with the whole raid up`
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`05:42.14`	`Groktar`	`er, entropius`
`05:42.18`	`Groktar`	`and DARK FIEND`
`05:45.21`	`Groktar`	`i really hate that fight`
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`06:02.45`	`[1]ApacheChief`	`Is there any way to get a free month of WoW after not playing for like a year?`
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`06:04.18`	`Xinhuan`	`i always chuckle at Ackis's onjoin greeting`
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`06:14.17`	`erikh`	`[1]ApacheChief: buy a new copy?`
`06:14.29`	`erikh`	`first month is free :)`
`06:14.48`	`Diao`	`anyone else here use libquickhealth?`
`06:15.13`	`vithos`	`i use an addon that uses it, or do you mean develop with it`
`06:15.21`	`Fisker-`	`Xinhuan my friend`
`06:15.25`	`Fisker-`	`you should fix acegui!`
`06:15.25`	`Diao`	`getting reports that grid's health updates`
`06:15.34`	`Xinhuan`	`giv beta key`
`06:15.42`	`Diao`	`are slower than pitbull/ouf/etc`
`06:15.58`	`Groktar`	`i use grid`
`06:15.58`	`Fisker-`	`Where did you get the impression that i had any beta keys Xinhuan? .o`
`06:16.01`	`Diao`	`wondering if anyone else has noticed it.. i use pitbull and grid`
`06:16.02`	`Groktar`	`never tried pitbull raid frames`
`06:16.04`	`Diao`	`but i didn't notice grid being slow`
`06:16.09`	`vithos`	`i haven't noticed but i'm not a healer`
`06:16.10`	`Diao`	`well i use pitbull for normal frames + grid for raid`
`06:16.23`	`Diao`	`i haven't noticed anything of the sort, but some people are reporting it`
`06:16.25`	`Groktar`	`viciously attacks Fisker-, demanding beta keys`
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`06:16.41`	`Fisker-`	`BUT I ONLY GOT 3`
`06:16.51`	`Groktar`	`GIVE`
`06:17.07`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:18.02`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5275929367&sid=1 <-think i should write i just got my third beta key?`
`06:18.25`	`Diao`	`btw groktar we've decided when we hit 70.. if you ever actually sell sunwell t6 pieces we'll take druid boots/bracers and rogue all 3 + shoulders of shahraz :p`
`06:18.34`	`steev`	`ulic: you believe thats the only way? i was reading on wowwiki about the function, and 3 is epic - is that a raid instance return?`
`06:18.57`	`Diao`	`off*`
`06:19.20`	`Groktar`	`lol`
`06:19.50`	`Groktar`	`so that idiot guild that went back on selling us their raid id`
`06:20.06`	`Groktar`	`only spent an hour in there and killed gurtogg today`
`06:20.08`	`Groktar`	`sigh`
`06:20.21`	`Groktar`	`ty for wasting our entire raid night yesterday`
`06:20.22`	`Groktar`	`:(`
`06:20.25`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:21.10`	`Groktar`	`night`
`06:21.21`	`Diao`	`night :o`
`06:21.23`	`Cheads`	`Fisker- got 3 keys from opt-in ?`
`06:21.24`	`Groktar`	`sticks his tongue into Diao's ear in farewell`
`06:21.29`	`Fisker-`	`nah Cheads`
`06:21.34`	`Fisker-`	`WWI, Blizzard, Opt-In`
`06:21.53`	`Cheads`	`ok`
`06:22.12`	`Cheads`	`the opt-in is for a specific account, right?´`
`06:22.51`	`nevcairiel`	`nah, you can use the opt-in key on any account you want`
`06:23.08`	`Cheads`	`ok`
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`06:26.57`	`Fisker-`	`http://i35.tinypic.com/17fla9.jpg xD etc.`
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`06:30.56`	`Xinhuan`	`well no addon will get fixed until i get a key ^_^`
`06:31.33`	`Xinhuan`	`~kill Fisker-`
`06:31.33`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a charged anti-positrino gun at Fisker-`
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`06:31.47`	`Fisker-`	`ouch`
`06:31.52`	`Fisker-`	`but you're not eu anyways`
`06:32.07`	`Fisker-`	`also i already promised a friend of mine a key if i got one`
`06:32.22`	`Xinhuan`	`wut, keys are continent specific?`
`06:32.24`	`Xinhuan`	`:(`
`06:32.34`	`Elkano`	`Fisker-, leaves one spare <3`
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`06:32.48`	`Fisker-`	`Elkano WHAT DID YOU DO ?`
`06:33.02`	`Elkano`	`suprise buttsecks :P`
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`06:43.49`	`p3lim`	`wtb EU key`
`06:43.51`	`p3lim`	`:p`
`06:46.04`	`Elkano`	`Fisker- said he has three: one for him... one for a friend... one for me ;)`
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`06:49.16`	`Fisker-`	`no u Elkano`
`06:53.04`	`Elkano`	`makes me a sad panda :(`
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`06:57.35`	`illixil`	`is there an addon or a macro that lets you order food through WoW?`
`06:58.10`	`Elkano`	`since there is no (legal) way to have WoW access the outside world I'd say no`
`06:58.19`	`illixil`	`that sucks`
`06:58.39`	`Elkano`	`windowed mode + alt-tab?`
`06:59.58`	`Fisker-`	`Elkano you fail`
`07:00.05`	`Fisker-`	`make an overlay`
`07:00.10`	`Fisker-`	`that would be legit`
`07:00.36`	`illixil`	`yeah i could always alt+tab and go to a pizza website and just order it through there`
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`07:03.02`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5276029061&sid=1#10 i lol'd`
`07:09.29`	`illixil`	`lol`
`07:09.38`	`ReAn`	`Elkano!`
`07:10.24`	`Elkano`	`???`
`07:11.09`	`ReAn`	`<illixil> is there an addon or a macro that lets you order food through WoW? <--- a really shifty way would be to save something to your saved variables and have a REAL (non-ui) program periodically scanning the save variables lua, load it, parse it and call up the appropriate webpage forms/etc... however.... it's shifty`
`07:11.17`	`ReAn`	`Elkano: <3 for your buff bars`
`07:11.23`	`ReAn`	`assuming you're the same guy`
`07:11.30`	`Elkano`	`yeah ^^`
`07:11.38`	`ReAn`	`rock on, thumbs up!`
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`07:12.55`	`ReAn`	`<Elkano> since there is no (legal) way to have WoW access the outside world I'd say no <--- wasn't there a simple HTML widget within the API that blizz uses for the front "stauts" blurb @ the login screen?`
`07:13.38`	`Elkano`	`I'm pretty sure that you can't use that`
`07:13.54`	`ReAn`	`sometimes wow modding makes me miss EVE Online`
`07:13.58`	`Elkano`	`there was an exploit for the knowledge base but I think thatone is fixed, too`
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`07:14.25`	`ReAn`	`you just made your apps on your webserver and off you went`
`07:14.31`	`ReAn`	`ingame browsers == win`
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`07:17.00`	`ReAn`	`anyway, no beta key in my inbox this eveing, so im off to sleep with hopes of a happy present tomorrow`
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`07:22.59`	`aestil`	`i wish i had my alpha centauri install disks still. : /`
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`07:26.42`	`illixil`	`i wish i had my wc3 ROC cd key still =[`
`07:28.06`	`illixil`	`oh and no man-boobs`
`07:28.07`	`illixil`	`=[`
`07:31.52`	`orionshock`	`^.- formatting a 1TB drive isn't taking that long...`
`07:32.01`	`orionshock`	`wonders if he did something wrong ...`
`07:34.50`	`Fisker-`	`are you doing a quick format?`
`07:35.22`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79784 10StarTip/Modules/Targeting.lua: StarTip: Fix for raid panel problem and other possible issues. Note that the Targeting module won't work inside the raid panel.`
`07:36.56`	`illixil`	`anyone know the benefits of becoming exalted with a faction?`
`07:37.10`	`Fisker-`	`20% discount from repairs and whatever they offer at their quartermaster`
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`07:47.15`	`orionshock`	`Fisker-: linux ext2 formatting :D`
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`07:56.21`	`orionshock`	`ok, so the constant blue on the CSF is killing me, and others, is there any news on the WWI / Curse beta keys??`
`07:57.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`you mean WoWI not WWI right?`
`07:58.01`	`Fisker-`	`orionshock according to Cairenn the first couple of keys seem to be out`
`07:58.12`	`Fisker-`	`WWI keys were sent weeks ago obviously`
`07:59.07`	`orionshock`	`... i got the #6 ticket but no email :((`
`07:59.52`	`Cairenn`	`not confirmed 100% guys, there are a few reports of emails but they aren't positive whether they got them through us or through some other method`
`08:00.21`	`Cairenn`	`and just because I sent them in to Blizz in such & such order, doesn't mean they'll send the keys out in that same order`
`08:00.28`	`orionshock`	`i know...`
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`08:00.41`	`orionshock`	`well here's to hoping`
`08:00.49`	`orionshock`	`takes a dbl shot of vodka`
`08:01.04`	`Fisker-`	`In other news i got my third beta key today`
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`08:04.20`	`illixil`	`whats this about beta keys`
`08:04.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`we want ours, thats what`
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`08:08.11`	`orionshock`	`Fisker-: share?`
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`08:11.15`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: wtf man?`
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`08:30.00`	`NeoTron`	`Cairenn: I sure hope they don't send them out to the 2nd batch first :p that'd suck`
`08:30.16`	`Cairenn`	`agreed, but /shrug`
`08:30.40`	`NeoTron`	`since it didn't come today i don't care for the next 3 days since I'm raiding`
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`08:32.51`	`CIA-45`	`03xinhuan * r79785 10Threat-2.0/Threat-2.0/NPCModules/BlackTemple/Council.lua: Threat-2.0: Another attempt to fix Vanish on Veras Darkshadow (Illidari Council). His vanish buff doesn't reliably fade all the time I think, so we use his Vanish spell cast instead.`
`08:33.28`	`NeoTron`	`woot - We plan to give all pets the master's +hit%.`
`08:33.36`	`NeoTron`	`I hope they plan to give the pet crit and haste too`
`08:34.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`omfg somebody posted this on my guild forums`
`08:34.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl`
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`08:34.56`	`Xinhuan`	`o_O`
`08:35.11`	`Fisker-`	`is it star wars?`
`08:35.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
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`08:35.21`	`Fisker-`	`i remembered!`
`08:35.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`how old is this?`
`08:35.58`	`Fisker-`	`dunno remember seeing it some years back`
`08:40.35`	`\|Kev\|`	`very very old :)`
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`08:50.11`	`orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:50.36`	`cncfanatics`	`orionshock: I'm currently in the process of setting up my laptop with linux, I can tell you when I finished installing WoW & my gfx card`
`08:51.56`	`orionshock`	`cncfanatics: how long u been working at it?`
`08:53.15`	`cncfanatics`	`got it yesterday`
`08:53.19`	`cncfanatics`	`installing wireless was a pain :(`
`08:53.27`	`orionshock`	`what distro?`
`08:53.47`	`cncfanatics`	`debian`
`08:54.13`	`orionshock`	`humm... im working with Ubuntu, whole thing went well for me. 5hrs start to finish`
`08:54.33`	`cncfanatics`	`I must be at something like that`
`08:54.35`	`orionshock`	`bout the only thing that dosn't work is my svn access to curseforge`
`08:54.46`	`cncfanatics`	`sudo apt-get install subversion ? :p`
`08:55.06`	`orionshock`	`indeed, but it dosn't work because of the whole SSH stuff`
`08:55.22`	`cncfanatics`	`well, should be np to get it working`
`08:55.30`	`cncfanatics`	`all those tools are linux tools in the first place`
`08:55.48`	`cncfanatics`	`get openssh working and put your private key in the correct location`
`08:56.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`or ssh-agent`
`08:56.12`	`starlon`	`does subversion have to be compiled with ssh support?`
`08:56.40`	`cncfanatics`	`don't think so`
`08:56.43`	`cncfanatics`	`it gets tunneled by openssh`
`08:57.27`	`cncfanatics`	`restarting X to get my new drivers working`
`08:57.28`	`cncfanatics`	`brb`
`08:59.53`	`orionshock`	`really my problem is that i can't get java working in firefox ...`
`09:00.21`	`nevcairiel`	`64bit by any chance? =P`
`09:01.07`	`Fisker-`	`damnit`
`09:01.12`	`Fisker-`	`cncfanatics left before i could gloat`
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`09:02.06`	`orionshock`	`nevcairiel: i am`
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`09:07.48`	`Xinhuan`	`http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/`
`09:07.51`	`Xinhuan`	`haha this is awesome`
`09:07.58`	`Xinhuan`	`garfield comics without garfield`
`09:13.29`	`CIA-45`	`03nevcairiel * r79786 10Mapster/GroupIcons.lua: Mapster: eliminate icon update lag when group icons is enabled`
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`09:32.14`	`nevcairiel`	`morning`
`09:32.58`	`thul`	`good morning nevcairiel`
`09:34.12`	`Stanzilla`	`morning`
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`09:39.13`	`Fisker-`	`dies nevcairiel`
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`09:40.28`	`Cheads`	`hmm does the new Windfury Totem stack with the windfury weapon enchant in wotlk?`
`09:40.51`	`Cheads`	`I can't seen to find a difinite answer to that, so if anyone had tried in the beta? =)`
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`09:53.07`	`Orphis`	`How can I, using fisheye, hide all the grayed directory in the tree list ?`
`09:53.12`	`Wobin`	`So..`
`09:53.24`	`Wobin`	`StatBlock_etc vs StatBlocks_etc?`
`09:53.43`	`Xinhuan`	`StatBlocks_Etc ;p`
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`09:57.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`whatever the others use`
`09:58.18`	`Wobin`	`So what's the addon for comparing equpment with your current stuff?`
`09:58.36`	`nevcairiel`	`Did they change something with loading of optional deps in 3.0 ? My Libs are not loading in some cases *cry`
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`10:04.57`	`Wobin`	`Now you're just being hateful!`
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`10:54.30`	`Groktar`	`hears you're french irl`
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`11:02.33`	`nevcairiel`	`Fisker- halp, how do i get into dalaran?`
`11:02.56`	`Pneumatus`	`you need to be level 74 and do the quest chain from valguarde, or get a mage/lock to magic you there`
`11:03.09`	`nevcairiel`	`damnit`
`11:03.14`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont feel like leveling 0P`
`11:03.23`	`Pneumatus`	`summon/portal then`
`11:03.42`	`nevcairiel`	`need mage on EU beta`
`11:03.43`	`nevcairiel`	`pst!`
`11:04.19`	`Pneumatus`	`my mage is... level 20, sorry :<`
`11:04.44`	`nevcairiel`	`when i was up there once, i can use the portal stone under it, right?`
`11:04.59`	`nevcairiel`	`i actually found that`
`11:05.03`	`nevcairiel`	`but it told me i cannot use it`
`11:05.06`	`sb`	`need key on eu beta :/`
`11:05.32`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, in the last build they stopped people using the stone unless they do the quest from valguarde`
`11:07.01`	`nevcairiel`	`i love the music in dragonblight`
`11:07.11`	`Pneumatus`	`me too`
`11:07.20`	`Pneumatus`	`its my favorite zone for music, all classical and awesome`
`11:08.06`	`cncfanatics`	`WTB beta key`
`11:10.14`	`Fisker-`	`ah yes cncfanatics`
`11:10.18`	`Fisker-`	`i've been expecting you`
`11:10.21`	`Fisker-`	`http://i35.tinypic.com/17fla9.jpg`
`11:10.41`	`cncfanatics`	`did you seriously get two ? :o`
`11:10.44`	`Fisker-`	`3`
`11:10.49`	`cncfanatics`	`rofl, how ?`
`11:10.55`	`Fisker-`	`<-win`
`11:11.29`	`nevcairiel`	`they sent a new random batch today`
`11:11.35`	`nevcairiel`	`from opt-ins`
`11:11.42`	`cncfanatics`	`why are they so slow with author invites ?`
`11:12.01`	`Fisker-`	`you can work under stress imo`
`11:12.20`	`Fisker-`	`that or they may have been waiting so you entered at a more appropiate time`
`11:12.32`	`Fisker-`	`Like the UI would actually be halfway done by the time you entered :P`
`11:12.32`	`cncfanatics`	`like ?`
`11:12.38`	`cncfanatics`	`hahaha`
`11:12.52`	`Fisker-`	`The vehicle ui is kinda screwed`
`11:12.59`	`Fisker-`	`we get some green boxes now instead`
`11:13.08`	`Fisker-`	`around our action bars`
`11:13.10`	`nevcairiel`	`the token ui is totally broken =P`
`11:13.14`	`ccKep`	`retard-warlock with 2 buttons in his interface just got a key (via opt-ins) - one could say I'm _really_ pissed right now....`
`11:13.22`	`cncfanatics`	`ccKep: heh`
`11:13.29`	`Fisker-`	`hey ccKep i also got a key`
`11:13.31`	`cncfanatics`	`ccKep: giev my author key already :(`
`11:13.38`	`ccKep`	`giev mine too :/`
`11:13.39`	`nevcairiel`	`all warlocks have only 2 buttons`
`11:13.47`	`cncfanatics`	`lifetap & shadowbolt :p`
`11:13.55`	`Pneumatus`	`eu beta login server looks like its crapped out :<`
`11:14.21`	`Kuosi`	`where's my goddam key :(`
`11:15.04`	`Fisker-`	`as usual Pneumatus`
`11:15.11`	`nevcairiel`	`worked fine a few minutes ago`
`11:15.12`	`Fisker-`	`US doesn't care about EU people, etc.`
`11:15.32`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Fisker-`
`11:15.32`	`purl`	`dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Fisker-`
`11:15.56`	`CIA-45`	`03nevcairiel * r79788 10/branches/Bartender4/: Bartender4: prepare branch directory`
`11:16.12`	`Fisker-`	`i usually hang for a while on connected`
`11:16.24`	`Fisker-`	`and when i finally get into the char list i just get disconnected if i don't join really quickly`
`11:16.37`	`CIA-45`	`03nevcairiel 07WotlK * r79789 10Bartender4/: Bartender4: branch for wrath of the lich king`
`11:16.50`	`Groktar`	`<Fisker-> US doesn't care about EU people, etc.`
`11:16.57`	`Groktar`	`Fisker-: that's because they're all french`
`11:17.08`	`cncfanatics`	`hey, nothing against the french !`
`11:17.21`	`nevcairiel`	`frenchies are evil`
`11:17.28`	`Cheads`	`they make excellent wine!`
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`11:17.38`	`cncfanatics`	`and cheese`
`11:18.12`	`ccKep`	`I could've lived without a beta key today... but since this ABSOLUTEL RETARD WARLOCK got one.... no no no, _really_ pissed`
`11:18.18`	`Pneumatus`	`how does acelocale-2.2 handle strings that aren't in the translation set?`
`11:18.32`	`Pneumatus`	`as it moans about "string" = true in the non-default locale`
`11:19.01`	`cncfanatics`	`ccKep: the beta test does also need retards`
`11:19.07`	`nevcairiel`	`just dont include them at all Pneumatus`
`11:19.08`	`cncfanatics`	`to see if everything is intuitive enough`
`11:19.11`	`nevcairiel`	`and it'll use the english`
`11:19.15`	`ccKep`	`cncfanatics: definately not this one ;)`
`11:19.21`	`Pneumatus`	`nice one, thanks`
`11:19.25`	`nevcairiel`	`we usually copy the "blabla" = true line and comment it`
`11:19.28`	`Fisker-`	`besides Blizzard US isn't french anyways`
`11:19.33`	`nevcairiel`	`so we see what still needs translations`
`11:19.36`	`cncfanatics`	`blizzard EU is, Fisker-`
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`11:21.57`	`Fisker-`	`if it were everyone working at Blizzard EU would be forced to resign`
`11:23.09`	`Chompers`	`hush Fisker-`
`11:24.11`	`CIA-45`	`03pneumatus * r79790 10ClassLoot/ (ClassLoot.lua ClassLoot.toc Locale-deDE.lua Locale-enUS.lua):`
`11:24.11`	`CIA-45`	`ClassLoot:`
`11:24.11`	`CIA-45`	`- Fix deDE strings that still need translating`
`11:29.44`	`nevcairiel`	`but seriously, what happend to optional dependancy loading`
`11:29.49`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79791 10kgPanelsConfig/PanelHelper.lua: kgPanelsConfig: bug fixes to default panel`
`11:32.21`	`Kuosi`	`they should hand out some keys based on /played on the account imo`
`11:33.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: well since very few real addon devs have keys...... im sure almost nobody with the expertise to investigate it has had the time to do so......`
`11:33.37`	`nevcairiel`	`well it loads some`
`11:33.39`	`nevcairiel`	`but not all`
`11:33.49`	`nevcairiel`	`some addons appear red in the addon listing`
`11:33.59`	`nevcairiel`	`but no text why red`
`11:34.03`	`nevcairiel`	`(and those dont load)`
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`11:34.22`	`Pneumatus`	`omnicc options does that, shows red in the addon listing`
`11:34.54`	`nevcairiel`	`I think all that are red are LoD`
`11:35.04`	`nevcairiel`	`Did OptDep stop loading LoD addons?`
`11:35.10`	`nevcairiel`	`investigates`
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`11:38.55`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`11:39.06`	`nevcairiel`	`sitting in the keep and fixing BT4 =P`
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`11:53.24`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79797 10Cartographer_Noteshare/Cartographer_Noteshare.toc: Cartographer_Noteshare: updated name on toc`
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`11:56.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`?`
`11:56.32`	`kagaro`	`getting my user handle consistent`
`11:56.39`	`kagaro`	`for teh wowace conversion`
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`11:59.49`	`durcyn`	`effing spammer.`
`12:02.00`	`kagaro`	`im done anyways durcyn`
`12:02.08`	`durcyn`	`;)`
`12:02.27`	`kagaro`	`ahh crap missed 2`
`12:04.40`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79801 10GatherMate_CartImport/GatherMate_CartImport.toc: GatherMate_CartImport: toc fix`
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`12:05.05`	`kagaro`	`there now im done`
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`12:11.32`	`orionshock`	`oh wow, this is retarted...`
`12:12.29`	`orionshock`	`so i discover that there is no plugin for x64 java in firefox... so i figure, i got wine, might as well try. So i download the windows version of firefox and lo and behold, it's already got java for wine preinstalled and works just fine...`
`12:13.33`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79803 10GatherMate_Data/GatherMate_Data.toc: GatherMate_Data: weekly data harvest via cron`
`12:14.07`	`nevcairiel`	`orionshock: its faster to use 32bit fox =P`
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`12:16.22`	`orionshock`	`i just find that overly retarted, that and seriously with how integrated these programs are, u'd think there would a FAQ when FF opens in linux on 64bit -- "Oh BTW; Java dosn't work so 1/3rd of the internet is hosed for you"`
`12:16.35`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79804 10GatherMate/GatherMate.toc: GatherMate: fixed name to match case as author tag on the wiki`
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`12:17.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`where is all the decent shaman gear?`
`12:17.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm lvl 39 and still I haven't found upgrades for the WC set >.<`
`12:21.07`	`thul`	`hey Pkekyo\|!`
`12:21.14`	`thul`	`shaman gear = hunter gear`
`12:21.15`	`thul`	`:-P`
`12:21.44`	`Kuosi`	`all gear = hunter gear`
`12:22.20`	`thul`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Krotter <- my shaman :-P`
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`12:24.46`	`Luthorhuss`	`woot! I got into the beta! /happyface`
`12:24.58`	`thul`	`:-(`
`12:25.00`	`thul`	`me wants`
`12:25.10`	`kagaro`	`Luthorhuss: you got a key ?`
`12:25.16`	`Luthorhuss`	`yes`
`12:25.36`	`thul`	`gief`
`12:25.38`	`kagaro`	`today?`
`12:25.42`	`Luthorhuss`	`yes`
`12:25.56`	`Luthorhuss`	`i suppose its from an opt-in round or so`
`12:26.07`	`kagaro`	`ohh you didnt have an author key coming?`
`12:26.21`	`kagaro`	`dammit when are they gona send out the author keys`
`12:26.39`	`Luthorhuss`	`Nope, im not an author of anything :P`
`12:26.47`	`Luthorhuss`	`i just like addons`
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`12:31.45`	`Fisker-`	`prepare to be destroyed thul`
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`12:39.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`i heard this happened last beta too`
`12:40.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`everybody but the addon authors got keys`
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`12:40.59`	`cncfanatics`	`Arrowmaster: last beta I got an opt in key before my author key :p`
`12:41.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`i didnt even remember there being an opt in last beta`
`12:41.44`	`Cairenn`	`sorry guys :(`
`12:42.04`	`cncfanatics`	`there wasn't`
`12:42.08`	`cncfanatics`	`they were just totaly random`
`12:42.12`	`cncfanatics`	`my bad there, misphrasing :p`
`12:42.22`	`cncfanatics`	`Cairenn: its not your fault`
`12:42.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i get to blame Kody- too since hes handling the stuff on curses side`
`12:43.36`	`kagaro`	`Kody sent the list off like 2 weeks ago didnt he ?`
`12:43.42`	`cncfanatics`	`yea he did`
`12:43.44`	`sb`	`yep`
`12:44.34`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: stack strength, youll soon get mail gear anyway at 40 plus dual wield (I do hope you are enhancement)`
`12:45.03`	`Industrial`	`str str str str, screw agi alltogether :P`
`12:45.22`	`Industrial`	`I stayed with 2.6 speed weapons even though there were raw dps upgrades`
`12:46.02`	`Industrial`	`simply because if you put windfury on both 2.6 speed weapons you can rotate like stormstrike+windfury, earthshock, normal+windfury, earthshock, repeat`
`12:46.09`	`Industrial`	`you can kill a mob in 2 secs...`
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`12:57.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Industrial: aye, enhancement...running 'round with a big stick`
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`12:58.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so...why is strength king? I want crits damnit :p`
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`13:03.37`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: cause your windfury is your crit, and 1 strength is 2 ap just like for warriors.`
`13:03.54`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: and using two 2.6 speed weapons you can control your windfury to crit every 3 seconds`
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`13:05.50`	`cncfanatics`	`oooh, remote install with linux is fancy`
`13:07.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`got a 2.5 stick`
`13:09.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`geif lvl 40`
`13:12.58`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: try and get two [Ripsaw]'s from ZF if you get someone to run you through`
`13:13.09`	`Industrial`	`it has a proc on it that does 75 damage plus enchants its AESOM`
`13:13.34`	`Industrial`	`by far the best weapon 40-50 and you can dual wield it`
`13:13.59`	`Trell_`	`whats the / command for shadow settings in the beta?`
`13:14.06`	`Trell_`	`and whats the reccomended setting?`
`13:14.15`	`nevcairiel`	`./console extShadowQuality`
`13:14.27`	`Industrial`	`Trell_: you arent going to play with it?`
`13:14.31`	`Industrial`	`recommended for what?`
`13:14.40`	`Trell_`	`best settings, I know it was something like 1-6`
`13:14.54`	`Trell_`	`wasn't 4 the one to choose?`
`13:14.54`	`Industrial`	`try it out :P`
`13:15.10`	`nevcairiel`	`6 is best quality, but eats cpus`
`13:15.15`	`Industrial`	`nevcairiel: !`
`13:15.17`	`Industrial`	`:(`
`13:15.18`	`nevcairiel`	`4 is fine`
`13:15.23`	`Trell_`	`oh wow.`
`13:15.23`	`cncfanatics`	`6 eats cpu for breakfast`
`13:15.28`	`Trell_`	`wow.`
`13:15.30`	`Trell_`	`4 is awesome`
`13:15.46`	`KriLL3`	`CPU, NOM NOM!`
`13:16.07`	`fridgid`	`lol.... http://xkcd.com/443/`
`13:16.07`	`Saroz`	`Giiive Beta key :S`
`13:16.14`	`KriLL3`	`Isn't wow mostly CPU limited? especially in towns?`
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`13:17.20`	`KriLL3`	`my frames drop like a stone for a sec and I got a seriously beefy rig, my video card's temps doesn't really move while playing wow though, so I'm guessing a lot of the strain is on the CPU`
`13:18.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thanks for the tip Industrial, I'll look into it`
`13:20.45`	`Cheads`	`Industrial: "1 strength is 2 ap" only for live version =)`
`13:20.59`	`Cheads`	`but I missed if the talk was about that =)`
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`13:25.11`	`KriLL3`	`does anyone know how to stop SatrinaBuffFrame from changing the duration of spells if renewed? I've tried manually setting the duration for them but as soon as I renew one it's changed :<`
`13:25.56`	`Industrial`	`Cheads: what? something changing then?`
`13:25.59`	`KriLL3`	`lifebloom is a good example, it's 7 sec long but if you keep renewing it it can last as long as your mana does, so now it thinks it's near 30s long... motw is another, it thinks it lasts 1h since gotw does`
`13:26.03`	`Cheads`	`yes`
`13:26.14`	`Industrial`	`are they going to use agi then?`
`13:26.30`	`Cheads`	`1str = 1ap .. 1agi = 1ap 1int=1ap(with talent)`
`13:26.39`	`Industrial`	`meeeh why`
`13:26.41`	`KriLL3`	`druids?`
`13:26.41`	`Cheads`	`so you'll stack agi for crit`
`13:26.46`	`Industrial`	`idd`
`13:26.48`	`Cheads`	`enhancement shamans`
`13:26.53`	`KriLL3`	`bah`
`13:26.56`	`Industrial`	`so youll be rolling for HUNTER GEAR`
`13:26.59`	`Cheads`	`so enhancement shamans and hunters share all loot`
`13:27.06`	`Cheads`	`..(more or less)`
`13:27.15`	`KriLL3`	`druids need 4 sets of gear atm, we really shouldn't have to grind for gear 4 times...`
`13:27.29`	`nevcairiel`	`"need"`
`13:27.33`	`Cheads`	`hehe`
`13:27.34`	`KriLL3`	`I really hope wotlk will address that`
`13:27.43`	`Industrial`	`I have 6`
`13:27.49`	`Industrial`	`pvp and pve for each tree`
`13:27.56`	`KriLL3`	`nevcairiel: well I could have more than 4 if I wanted resistance sets`
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`13:28.11`	`*** mode/#wowace [+i] by nevcairiel`
`13:28.11`	`*** join/#wowace tomaw_ (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw)`
`13:28.13`	`*** mode/#wowace [+im] by nevcairiel`
`13:28.42`	`*** mode/#wowace [+z] by tomaw_`
`13:28.51`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o tomaw_] by tomaw_`
`13:29.08`	`tomaw_`	`nevcairiel: hi`
`13:29.12`	`nevcairiel`	`hi`
`13:29.13`	`tomaw_`	`having problems?`
`13:29.27`	`tomaw_`	`(I opped and set +z to see if they were still spamming)`
`13:29.35`	`nevcairiel`	`2 pages of spam`
`13:29.55`	`tomaw_`	`Yeah, one of our utilities is taking them out`
`13:30.28`	`*** mode/#wowace [-i+r] by nevcairiel`
`13:31.05`	`tomaw_`	`you can probably move +mz now, it looks like they've stopped`
`13:31.26`	`tomaw_`	`+z reduces moderation so ops see what people are saying but noone else does :)`
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`13:32.32`	`nevcairiel`	`been a while since that happend`
`13:32.37`	`tomaw_`	`yeah`
`13:32.42`	`*** mode/#wowace [-mz] by nevcairiel`
`13:32.42`	`Industrial`	`:`
`13:32.45`	`Industrial`	`:\`
`13:32.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wth, some tooltip addon of mine says 4str gives me +2 healing :P`
`13:33.02`	`*** mode/#wowace [-o tomaw_] by tomaw_`
`13:33.02`	`KriLL3`	`wtf is the point of that stuff anyway? some rivals or just plain vandalism?`
`13:33.03`	`Zyndrome`	`pokes`
`13:33.04`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: talent, ap to spellpower/healing`
`13:33.07`	`nevcairiel`	`They could at least spam some readable text`
`13:33.09`	`nevcairiel`	`for more fun :)`
`13:33.11`	`tomaw_`	`hehe`
`13:33.21`	`KriLL3`	`they did it for lulz?`
`13:33.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Industrial: shaman talent?`
`13:33.29`	`Pneumatus`	`hohoho, halls of stone is bugtastic`
`13:33.34`	`nevcairiel`	`but good to see that it doesnt go unnoticed by the staff`
`13:33.39`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hE00x0hZxVbzE0sAzqo`
`13:33.45`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: good enh talent spec :P`
`13:33.56`	`Industrial`	`well, imo, ofcourse`
`13:33.59`	`tomaw_`	`Hrm, more are connecting but +r should keep them out`
`13:34.20`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: and yes, Mental Quickness does that.`
`13:34.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: +v CIA`
`13:34.29`	`Zyndrome`	`KriLL3 : someone just expected all his addons from wowace to be stable but found out it wasn't true, so resorted to spamming`
`13:34.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`just incase`
`13:34.32`	`Zyndrome`	`wild guess`
`13:34.46`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|: for bosses however i'd skip mental quickness and take dual wield spec instead (1 above it) because you need hit.`
`13:34.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cheers`
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`13:35.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm only level 40 allready, so meh :p`
`13:35.14`	`KriLL3`	`dual wielding shamans miss a ton it seems`
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`13:35.37`	`KriLL3`	`it's miss/dodge on about half of their attacks in pvp`
`13:35.39`	`Industrial`	`yeah hit is precious in raids :p`
`13:35.53`	`Industrial`	`KriLL3: meh you just swing a lot`
`13:36.02`	`chexsum`	`enh shammys drop max res disc priests in 5 seconds`
`13:36.06`	`chexsum`	`i hate it`
`13:36.07`	`KriLL3`	`well it's still fun to see their windfury hit nothing but air`
`13:36.14`	`Hjalte`	`So, did a lot of people get beta keys today?`
`13:36.37`	`KriLL3`	`I'm a feral druid and I can fight em in kittyform either the whole fight or about half since it's very rare that they hit me =P`
`13:36.52`	`KriLL3`	`none here :(`
`13:36.57`	`cncfanatics`	`where did libgratuity go on the svn ? :o`
`13:37.09`	`nevcairiel`	`tomaw_: hitting #WoWUIDev`
`13:37.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`tomaw_: #wowuidev`
`13:37.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`now`
`13:37.41`	`KriLL3`	`I enlisted in the opt in program the hour it was announced, not a word since, but I guess it's a bit like joining a national lottery...`
`13:39.15`	`tomaw_`	`aye, got them`
`13:40.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`#curseforge`
`13:40.42`	`Matrix110`	`KriLL3 but its max. 5mio participants in EU/US and for sure only like 30-60% of them even opted in`
`13:40.51`	`Matrix110`	`so its a rather "big" chance compared to lottery :P`
`13:41.22`	`ANTRat`	`i recently got my beta key from what i think was opting in`
`13:41.37`	`Matrix110`	`Afaik Only WWI/Blizzcon and Optin keys are out`
`13:41.45`	`Lanerra_`	`Anyone here familiar with the appearance of FAne?`
`13:41.49`	`Lanerra_`	`Fane, rather`
`13:41.53`	`Matrix110`	`besides some Guild/PvP keys`
`13:42.40`	`Lanerra_`	`I was wondering why one Tab Text always appears larger than the other`
`13:42.45`	`KriLL3`	`in the beta do you start at 70 and work your way to 80 or are you 80 from the start?`
`13:42.53`	`Matrix110`	`you copy your chars`
`13:42.54`	`Industrial`	`Lanerra_: haste on this server made it. hes not in this chan`
`13:42.59`	`nevcairiel`	`KriLL3: you copy your own char`
`13:43.01`	`KriLL3`	`kk`
`13:43.04`	`Lanerra_`	`For example, the "Combat Log" tab text is bigger than the General tab text`
`13:43.09`	`KriLL3`	`is a lot of "endgame" content missing?`
`13:43.12`	`Lanerra_`	`Oh, okay...was just wondering how to fix that`
`13:43.20`	`Matrix110`	`KriLL3 endgame is totally missing :P`
`13:43.21`	`KriLL3`	`I'm worried about gear scaling`
`13:43.23`	`KriLL3`	`kk`
`13:43.30`	`KriLL3`	`Matrix110: is the endgame gear in or not?`
`13:43.35`	`Matrix110`	`not`
`13:43.36`	`Industrial`	`Lanerra_: /join #wowuidev hes there`
`13:43.41`	`KriLL3`	`kk`
`13:43.42`	`Matrix110`	`well it might be in`
`13:43.44`	`Matrix110`	`but not known`
`13:43.45`	`Matrix110`	`atleast`
`13:43.53`	`Matrix110`	`and it will get changed 100%`
`13:43.57`	`KriLL3`	`so it's mostly a test of the new content, not the new class balance?`
`13:44.06`	`Lanerra_`	`Thanks, Industrial :)`
`13:44.14`	`Matrix110`	`well atm I think its more bugfixing`
`13:44.25`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant test class balance with random idiots running around`
`13:44.26`	`KriLL3`	`Free Q&A ftw`
`13:44.29`	`Matrix110`	`balancing comes when everybody can get lvl 80 and can get Blue Instance stuff`
`13:44.42`	`KriLL3`	`Matrix110: that's what I'm afraid of`
`13:45.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I kinda find it hard to take a college serious when they use text messages with smilies in them when trying to recruit me`
`13:45.14`	`KriLL3`	`scaling issues can result from that, TBC has some really odd scailings when you move up to purple gear`
`13:45.30`	`Wobin`	`It's subtle, Pkekyo\|. They don't actually think you'll make it.`
`13:45.37`	`Wobin`	`"Come get a degree! =)"`
`13:46.10`	`Matrix110`	`Well KriLL3 testing that is not possible without the instances ingame or the gear :P`
`13:46.17`	`KriLL3`	`TBC was one of the biggest bait and switches ever for us feral druids, yes we deal nice dmg etc on the blue level but once up in purples you notice our dmg doesn't really scale with gear, a lot of our attacks have fixed dmg or very low scaled dmg`
`13:46.30`	`Matrix110`	`And in TBC atleast Raid Content was hardly tested in the public tests`
`13:46.39`	`Matrix110`	`Only Karazhan pretty much`
`13:46.48`	`KriLL3`	`druid main dmg scaling = crits, and blizz added resilience... yay...`
`13:47.00`	`Matrix110`	`Druids are not allowed to whine`
`13:47.15`	`Matrix110`	`You should be happy if they dont nerf you out of the game`
`13:47.25`	`charon`	`Matrix110: not all druids are resto, hint hint`
`13:47.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobin: lol indeed`
`13:47.39`	`KriLL3`	`it's not whine, it's fact, a lot of our attacks doesn't scale and a lot of em doesn't scale that much, I got 42% crit and 3132 AP, I deal a lot less dmg than a rogue with half that`
`13:47.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`they're just after me monies`
`13:48.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and I don't have any, so fuck'em all :p`
`13:48.06`	`Matrix110`	`Rogues are a PURE dmg dealing class`
`13:48.08`	`KriLL3`	`some wotlk notes already hint at making a lot of our attacks actually scale with AP`
`13:48.11`	`Matrix110`	`you can choose between 3 jobs`
`13:48.15`	`KriLL3`	`Matrix110: and a feral druid isn't far from it`
`13:48.22`	`Matrix110`	`You CANT ever be as good as a rogue`
`13:48.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Matrix110: lies, they're supposed to be healers`
`13:48.30`	`Matrix110`	`and shouldnt`
`13:48.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`warriors used to be, but got nerfed to shite :p`
`13:48.52`	`KriLL3`	`a feral druid with talents all laid out for melee dps and in the right gear to do it is a rubbish healer and tank`
`13:49.05`	`KriLL3`	`they should deal dmg`
`13:49.35`	`KriLL3`	`yes we can switch gear and be a good tank, but that can't be done in combat`
`13:49.52`	`KriLL3`	`we can't be a good healer though unless you expect us to respec in the middle of combat`
`13:50.11`	`Matrix110`	`But they should deal rubbish damage alone for the possibility of becoming a tank with just gear switching...`
`13:50.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`any good druid will respec mid-battle`
`13:50.22`	`KriLL3`	`I know there is a lot of people that think of druids the same as a shaman, a hybrid, but we're actualyl a specialized hybrid`
`13:50.27`	`charon`	`what Pkekyo\| said.`
`13:50.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Matrix110, you're an unreasonable cunt now :)`
`13:50.41`	`KriLL3`	`Matrix110: warriors can do the same`
`13:50.54`	`Matrix110`	`No I just think Blizzard hates the normaly classes`
`13:51.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I agree they shouldn't be better than rogues (though they will be, only twats play rogues :P ), but they shouldn't be rubbish`
`13:51.29`	`KriLL3`	`I'm not saying I want to be better than a rogue, I just want my attacks to actually scale when I get better gear =P`
`13:51.42`	`KriLL3`	`atm a lot of my attacks deal the exact same dmg as the day I got em at 67-70`
`13:53.03`	`KriLL3`	`a feral druids dps doesn't scale that well at 70, balance druids are the opposite, in blues they have laughable dps compared to a mage in blues, but at purple level they do 2-3 sec casts that crit 3k and stun you`
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`13:53.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you wouldn't want to scale -that- well with gear though`
`13:54.02`	`sb`	`Arrowmaster: i'm beginning to believe in your 'blizz scrapped our emails' statement :p`
`13:54.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`just look at what happens to warriors every expansion :)`
`13:54.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`sb: i said that?`
`13:54.23`	`sb`	`i think so ;)`
`13:54.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`better gears = warriors nerfed to shite`
`13:54.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`or is that what happened last year?`
`13:54.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`er 2 years ago`
`13:55.27`	`Zhinjio`	`G'mornig.`
`13:55.31`	`sb`	`Arrowmaster: nevermind, cncfanatics did :P`
`13:55.52`	`Matrix110`	`Well part of the problem for Warriors is that 1 part of their gear is a bigger improvement than the other 12 together almost :P`
`13:56.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the problem for warriors is that blizzard for some reason gotten the idea that we like it up the bum`
`13:57.02`	`durcyn`	`Industrial's old forum sig sums it up nicely: I'm scissors, nerf rock. Paper's fine.`
`13:57.22`	`sb`	`Cairenn\|afk: did you get _any_ respsonse from blizz? (even some "yes, we received your email!" would be nice) :o`
`13:58.22`	`KriLL3`	`blizz doesn't negotiate with fans`
`13:58.23`	`Matrix110`	`durcyn thats another problem that everyone whines when their class is not Overpowered :P`
`13:58.44`	`Matrix110`	`But when you look at the Druids class forum they still believe they need buffs in PvP`
`13:58.52`	`KriLL3`	`...`
`13:59.08`	`KriLL3`	`resto doesn't need a buff, feral and balance does, is that so hard to understand?`
`13:59.10`	`cncfanatics`	`Matrix110: eh, you are confusing some things there`
`13:59.18`	`cncfanatics`	`Matrix110: you suck, feral & balance need to be more viable`
`13:59.34`	`Matrix110`	`Yes all 3 need to be overpowered !!!`
`13:59.38`	`KriLL3`	`I'd even say nerf resto`
`13:59.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`no Matrix110, all three need to be -fine-`
`13:59.55`	`Groktar`	`i don't think there's any need for every spec to be viable in pvp`
`14:00.01`	`Matrix110`	`Fire Mage and Arcane Mage is so often used in PvP you know? :P`
`14:00.16`	`Groktar`	`nor do all specs need to be viable in pve`
`14:00.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Groktar: blizz disagrees...look at the bloody prot talents warriors are getting in WotLK`
`14:00.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Matrix110: pom/pyro, anyone?`
`14:00.34`	`KriLL3`	`Groktar: it's different for non hybrids, you can use most of your old gear if you want to respec, yes it might not be optimal but it works`
`14:00.41`	`Matrix110`	`Pom/pyro is bullshit?`
`14:00.51`	`Matrix110`	`Its useless in pvp`
`14:00.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`maybe so, but it's still used`
`14:00.55`	`KriLL3`	`a resto druid needs a whole new set of gear to respec, thus all their endgame efforts are for naught`
`14:00.57`	`Groktar`	`Pkekyo\|: yes, prot warriors look to be the worst tanking class atm`
`14:01.14`	`charon`	`Groktar: i mostly agree, but there's a minor nit: ferals vastly benefit from having 1 S3/4 item for tanking. how is that right if we're not supposed to pvp?`
`14:01.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`we're getting bloody brilliant pvp talents! ...in the last tiers of the prot tree`
`14:01.39`	`KriLL3`	`Groktar: errm blizz have forgotten druids are tanks in wotlk, they've talked about each class's role in tanking in interviews etc and they didn't even mention druids`
`14:02.00`	`Groktar`	`charon: i don't see how a case of bad itemization has anything to do with this argument`
`14:02.05`	`durcyn`	`gee, it's almost like the fecking expansion is still in beta`
`14:02.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Matrix110: why do you substitute viable with "overpowered" ?`
`14:02.11`	`durcyn`	`save your tears, crybabies.`
`14:02.17`	`durcyn`	`you WILL need them later`
`14:02.44`	`Matrix110`	`Because you are only "viable" if you are overpowered`
`14:02.46`	`Pneumatus`	`having level 80 loot in your bags unable to use it ftl`
`14:02.46`	`Groktar`	`honestly, they have a hard enough time balancing one spec per class for pvp`
`14:02.48`	`charon`	`Groktar: i just see classes as a whole, including itemization`
`14:02.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Matrix110: no`
`14:03.19`	`KriLL3`	`Matrix110: go suck a lemon, ferals are horribly underpowered in the arena, I'm not asking to be as op as a resto, I just wish to be viable`
`14:03.25`	`Groktar`	`charon: convenient`
`14:03.29`	`Daemona`	Funkeh` ping -> badboy -> http://ace.pastey.net/93138
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`14:03.46`	`KriLL3`	`the total lack of usable CC is our main problem`
`14:03.49`	`cncfanatics`	`Matrix110: bullshit`
`14:04.02`	`charon`	`Groktar: shrug what's the alternative, disregarding available items and just looking at base abilities? that's not going to be fair either`
`14:04.08`	`Matrix110`	`Yes let bears and tigers please use Cyclone!`
`14:04.35`	`Matrix110`	`while hitting of course and moving`
`14:04.42`	`KriLL3`	`it's 6 sec makes em immune to harm and it forces you to shift`
`14:04.49`	`Pneumatus`	`plenty of specs arent viable in arenas tbh`
`14:05.04`	`KriLL3`	`it's not the same for non hybrids`
`14:05.13`	`Matrix110`	`It is?`
`14:05.28`	`Pneumatus`	`holy priests for example arent viable in arenas`
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`14:05.32`	`KriLL3`	`non hybrids doesn't need to totally change gear to respec`
`14:05.32`	`Matrix110`	`I dont see alot Prot Warriors in the Arena tbh`
`14:05.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`some do`
`14:05.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`and its pvp`
`14:05.55`	`KriLL3`	`prot warrior isn't a pvp spec`
`14:05.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`you get your pvp gear from pvping`
`14:06.02`	`Groktar`	`^`
`14:06.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`KriLL3: it will be in WotLK`
`14:06.07`	`Matrix110`	`There arent Fire Mages in high teams`
`14:06.12`	`Matrix110`	`there arent Arcane Mages in high teams`
`14:06.14`	`KriLL3`	`Pkekyo\|: they'll bore you to death?`
`14:06.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`there aren't any fury warriors doing well in arenas either`
`14:06.27`	`KriLL3`	`Matrix110: a fire/arcane mage can switch to frost np`
`14:06.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`are there any non SL/SL warlocks?`
`14:06.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`KriLL3: blizz are putting all the good pvp talents in the end tiers of prot for some reasons`
`14:06.35`	`Groktar`	`shadowpriest is great in arena if you don't want to break 1600`
`14:06.39`	`Matrix110`	`You can switch to Resto aswell...`
`14:06.41`	`dafire`	`nobody said all specs should be suitable for pvp`
`14:06.46`	`KriLL3`	`a feral druid can't switch to resto np, you need a whole new set of gear and it's a completely different playstyle`
`14:06.52`	`Groktar`	`<dafire> nobody said all specs should be suitable for pvp`
`14:06.57`	`KriLL3`	`Pkekyo\|: that seems a bit... odd...`
`14:06.58`	`Groktar`	`pretty sure charon is trying to argue that`
`14:07.22`	`Matrix110`	`Its not my problem that you choose a Hybrid class and didnt know that they require different gear for their different roles...`
`14:07.26`	`KriLL3`	`Groktar: as said that's not a viable argument for hyrbids`
`14:07.29`	`charon`	`Groktar: actually i'd be perfectly happy without pvp if they gave me an alternative for that 1S4`
`14:07.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`KriLL3: it's part of the ever consistent ''let's have warriors take it up the bum'' policy :p`
`14:07.37`	`Zhinjio`	`Troll: um, isn't pvp a totally different playstyle to begin with? Expecting to not have to play differently in pvp is silly.`
`14:07.55`	`Zhinjio`	`</troll>`
`14:08.20`	`Groktar`	`charon: one isolated case of one piece of gear in meaningless`
`14:08.40`	`Industrial`	`the simple rule that you need resilience now goes for all classes`
`14:08.44`	`Industrial`	`you need pvp gear to pvp`
`14:08.47`	`Industrial`	`whatever spec`
`14:08.57`	`KriLL3`	`and there is feral pvp gear, there isn't prot pvp gear`
`14:09.05`	`durcyn`	`look, i pay my fifteen dollars a month, can't i just have a button that kills everyone else so i don't have to learn how to play`
`14:09.07`	`charon`	`Groktar: it's far from isolated... ever since they invented pvp gear, having 1 piece was beneficial because of its heavy stam/resil focus`
`14:09.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`i still have ZERO peices of any arena armor set`
`14:09.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`geif prot pvp gear! 5k shield slams ftw :D`
`14:09.20`	`charon`	`... the problem, really, is that ferals are much more zealous about their spec ... i've rarely seen warriors, or priests, or rogues (especially), that were hell bent on playing arena with their chosen (pve) spec`
`14:09.39`	`charon`	`_many_ ferals will pull out a lart stick if you even so much as mention respeccing`
`14:09.52`	`Ozafy`	`that's because there's a huge diff between playing a feral a resto or a boomkin`
`14:09.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`same with shamans`
`14:10.09`	`Ozafy`	`for a rogue every spec is the same, you do dps in melee`
`14:10.12`	`Industrial`	`I have a pvp and pve resto, elemental and enhancement spec`
`14:10.16`	`p4aved`	`i raid as prt and pvp as ms, big deal, just means i have do dailes now and again for respec monies`
`14:10.16`	`Industrial`	`so 6 in totals`
`14:10.18`	`Industrial`	`and 6 armor sets`
`14:10.20`	`Ozafy`	`for hybrids, it's a totally diffrent class to play when you respec`
`14:10.28`	`KriLL3`	`Ozafy is right`
`14:10.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`i know a rogue that arenas completely different than you think sometimes`
`14:10.58`	`p4aved`	`there is a massive differance between tanking and playing ms in arina/bg's`
`14:10.59`	`KriLL3`	`respecing a hybrid is more like a re-roll to another class`
`14:11.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`same can be said for respecing some other classes`
`14:11.46`	`charon`	`Arrowmaster: we did have one fun arena match where our rogue was pve specced and caught the others totally off guard with blade flurry`
`14:11.47`	`nevcairiel`	`at least you dont change your role :D`
`14:11.49`	`KriLL3`	`most keep their old playstyle and role`
`14:11.59`	`Matrix110`	`Choosing a Hybrid and then complaining about being a Hybrid that cant do the same all the time awesome`
`14:12.01`	`Industrial`	`KriLL3: well thats narrow sighted`
`14:12.09`	`KriLL3`	`mage? dps at range, rogue? dps in melee, warlock? dps at range`
`14:12.10`	`p4aved`	`tanking ~= dps`
`14:12.16`	`Industrial`	`some hybrids dont even spec into one tree completely`
`14:12.20`	`Industrial`	`they are.. hybrid...`
`14:12.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`in some teams my rogue friend isnt out to do damage but lock down as many people as possible`
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`14:12.43`	`Matrix110`	`Yes playing a Frost Mage is completly the same as a Fire Mage or a Arcane Mage agree :D`
`14:12.49`	`Matrix110`	`Especially in PvP`
`14:12.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`although i doubt he will be doing that much more after sunday`
`14:13.02`	`Industrial`	`Matrix110: pewpew from a distance?`
`14:13.03`	`KriLL3`	`Industrial: most vital druid stuff is near the top of each tree, a truely hybrid druid is pointless, except resto/balance`
`14:13.23`	`KriLL3`	`Industrial: agreed, ice/frost/fire might differ in the details, but it's all distance nuke`
`14:13.25`	`Industrial`	`feral charge + bear stun`
`14:13.33`	`KriLL3`	`that's 11 points`
`14:13.39`	`Kaelten`	`hows it going guys`
`14:13.39`	`Industrial`	`very mana efficient dot in balance`
`14:13.44`	`Industrial`	`healing talents`
`14:13.51`	`Industrial`	`you can do it all at the same time KriLL3`
`14:13.58`	`nevcairiel`	`speccing balance for healing is stupid`
`14:13.59`	`nevcairiel`	`l2druid`
`14:14.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`Kaelten: nothing just having a discussion about how all hybrids are whinners`
`14:14.11`	`KriLL3`	`in pvp it isn't actually`
`14:14.40`	`Kaelten`	`Arrowmaster: fair enough`
`14:14.44`	`nevcairiel`	`I would prefer a spec thats deep in resto + feral utility`
`14:14.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`Kaelten: oh the botnet is back`
`14:14.55`	`nevcairiel`	`stun/charge`
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`14:15.01`	`Kaelten`	`oh?`
`14:15.03`	`KriLL3`	`I wish resto's were barred from feral forms...`
`14:15.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah =(`
`14:15.12`	`Kaelten`	`damn ckknight what did you do this time?`
`14:15.13`	`Saroz_`	`What's this mapster?`
`14:15.14`	`KriLL3`	`or give resto gear a ton less armor`
`14:15.21`	`_rane`	`KriLL3: lol`
`14:15.24`	`Saroz_`	`where is my curse beta key :(`
`14:15.31`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten: nothin'`
`14:15.33`	`Industrial`	`Saroz_: install it anc check it out.`
`14:15.42`	`_rane`	`do you realize how fast resto druids drops if one gets stunned in caster form?`
`14:15.45`	`Saroz_`	`does it replace cartographer?`
`14:15.49`	`KriLL3`	`_rane: it's just plain wrong that they can stack up a million hots + their on hit heal and go bearform and survive anything for a couple of hours`
`14:15.59`	`charon`	`KriLL3: way to go. do you really think they'll buff ferals if restos somehow get nerfed to oblivion like you propose?`
`14:16.26`	`Saroz_`	`Kaelten, dunno if you are the person to ask, but any news on the curse beta key thing?`
`14:16.39`	`KriLL3`	`resto is atm one of THE most common specs high up in the ratings, I don't say nerf em to hell, just don't make them imba^inf`
`14:16.40`	`nevcairiel`	`What now ferals ask for nerfing restos? banish you from the druid class! now!`
`14:16.48`	`Kaelten`	`as far as I know they've been submitted to blizzard and now we're at their mercy`
`14:17.08`	`Industrial`	`KriLL3: please :P I can live very long on my resto shaman too`
`14:17.15`	`Saroz_`	`Kaelten, ok`
`14:17.19`	`KriLL3`	`nevcairiel: it's quite simple, people think of the 3 specs as the same entity, thus if restos are horribly overpowered people say nerf druids, thus the proposed beastcoil`
`14:17.21`	`Industrial`	`like, rogues are funny.`
`14:17.43`	`KriLL3`	`they didn't make it instant but it's still super long range`
`14:17.53`	`KriLL3`	`that's a huge nerf that mainly affects ferals`
`14:18.17`	`KriLL3`	`you can imagine the ferals are really happy about being nerfed to balance restos a bit...`
`14:18.44`	`nevcairiel`	`not like they will do any nerfing/buffing now`
`14:18.48`	`Lukian`	`sorry? how were we nerfed? :p`
`14:19.02`	`KriLL3`	`Lukian: scare beasts new super long range`
`14:19.03`	`Matrix110`	`atm its Oneshot Paladin Party anyway :P`
`14:19.22`	`nevcairiel`	`And warlocks can banish trees, so? :P`
`14:19.24`	`KriLL3`	`before it was near melee range`
`14:19.26`	`Lukian`	`KriLL3, umm scare beast isn't an issue`
`14:19.32`	`Lukian`	`you shapeshift while they cast it :p`
`14:19.36`	`KriLL3`	`nevcairiel: only an utter fool would go tree in pvp`
`14:19.40`	`Saroz_`	`nevcairiel, does mapster have guild coordinates?`
`14:19.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: you cant keep a tree banished though`
`14:19.55`	`nevcairiel`	`KriLL3: only if some mage keeps perma-sheeping you =P`
`14:19.58`	`KriLL3`	`Lukian: yeah and stand there in caster when scattered/trapped and then shot sans armor?`
`14:20.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`they can rightclick the tree of life buff and get unbanished`
`14:20.19`	`Lukian`	`KriLL3, that's what the pvp trinket is for, as well as pole hugging :)`
`14:20.24`	`KriLL3`	`nevcairiel: restos don't spec tree for pvp`
`14:20.39`	`nevcairiel`	`I did`
`14:20.46`	`KriLL3`	`Lukian: that's all well and good but the pvp trink got a cooldown, scare beast can be spammed`
`14:20.59`	`nevcairiel`	`I stopped doing arenas after my first dragon, though`
`14:21.01`	`nevcairiel`	`was so boring`
`14:21.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`we had a druid recruit that couldnt heal worth shit because he couldnt find any poles to hump in sunwell`
`14:21.32`	`Industrial`	`KriLL3: you are whining against 1 class?`
`14:21.35`	`Industrial`	`KriLL3: hunter?`
`14:21.35`	`Lukian`	`KriLL3, I assume it's subject to the same DR's as everything else.. ie. cyclone`
`14:21.47`	`Industrial`	`KriLL3: you do know no class is supposed to be best right?`
`14:22.03`	`nevcairiel`	`ferals always failed in arenas, just live with it`
`14:22.04`	`Matrix110`	`Every class should have something like a "counterpart" that rapes them without moving a finger :P`
`14:22.07`	`nevcairiel`	`i mean, i just sleep them :D`
`14:22.21`	`Industrial`	`Matrix110: exactly`
`14:22.25`	`Industrial`	`like rogues to locks`
`14:22.30`	`Industrial`	`and resto shams to rogues`
`14:22.33`	`Matrix110`	`Thats what balanced PvP without balancing it`
`14:22.34`	`Industrial`	`and hunters to resto shams`
`14:22.38`	`Industrial`	`etcetera`
`14:22.39`	`Matrix110`	`Every other MMORPG does it like that`
`14:23.49`	`Matrix110`	`DK in one spec seems to get a caster eater for example`
`14:24.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`wait DK specs are actually different?`
`14:24.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`i thought it was the same tree repeated 3 times`
`14:25.01`	`KriLL3`	`DK?`
`14:25.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`deathknight`
`14:25.23`	`durcyn`	`it's warrior talents with new names`
`14:27.04`	`KriLL3`	`don't they have a melee dps oriented spec, a tanking spec and a omg zombies spec?`
`14:27.37`	`Pneumatus`	`nope`
`14:27.50`	`Pneumatus`	`they have 3 equally poor and non-specific trees`
`14:28.21`	`KriLL3`	`sounds like fun`
`14:28.38`	`Pneumatus`	`blood is the closest they have to a melee dps tree`
`14:28.51`	`Pneumatus`	`but frost isnt really a tanking tree`
`14:28.58`	`Pneumatus`	`and unholy isnt a zomg zombies tree :<`
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`14:30.14`	`KriLL3`	`well a lot of druid stuff is shuffled also, awesome resto stuff in balance, awesome feral stuff in resto etc`
`14:30.47`	`Pneumatus`	`frost 51 point talent is basically frost nova`
`14:31.34`	`KriLL3`	`the single most annoying thing in existence?`
`14:32.04`	`Vilkku`	`is it possible to change the color of OUTLINE?`
`14:32.21`	`Pneumatus`	`and you basically need 26 points minimum in unholy for bone armor to tank`
`14:33.38`	`Lanerra`	`Vilkku: text:SetShadowColor(x, y, z) if memory serves`
`14:33.58`	`Lanerra`	`"text" being whatever you've named it`
`14:34.52`	`Vilkku`	`thanks`
`14:34.59`	`Lanerra`	`No problem`
`14:35.49`	`Vilkku`	`let's see if I can actually make any use of it`
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`14:36.54`	`Vilkku`	`so if I did loltext:SetShadowColor(0, 0, 0)`
`14:37.30`	`Vilkku`	`would I then print the text using LOLTEXT:AssMessage(blah blah)?`
`14:37.35`	`Vilkku`	`add*`
`14:38.44`	`KriLL3`	`I wouldn't mind all druid tanking stuff being at the very top of our feral tree...`
`14:39.29`	`Vilkku`	`Lanerra, any ideas?`
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`14:42.52`	`Trell_`	`I don't suppose theres a list of working beta addons is there?`
`14:42.57`	`Trell_`	`or is it just a case of trying them yourself`
`14:43.05`	`Wobin`	`KriLL3: That'd be cool. I could be a proper panzerkin`
`14:43.27`	`Wobin`	`"proper panzerkin"... ahahahaha`
`14:43.36`	`KriLL3`	`Wobin: there was speculation about new tier feral forms`
`14:44.14`	`KriLL3`	`which only the ferals would get access to`
`14:44.15`	`Wobin`	`I still tout that the highest level feral talent should involve 5 cat druids transforming into a giant robot.`
`14:44.41`	`KriLL3`	`lol`
`14:44.51`	`Elkano`	`would be fun ^^`
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`14:45.14`	`Elkano`	`"Stand back raid, WE'll handle that guy"`
`14:45.27`	`Wobin`	`"And I'll be the head!"`
`14:45.31`	`KriLL3`	`naw make us split into 5, 2 ferals dps and tank, 1 resto 1 bal and one resto/bal`
`14:45.50`	`KriLL3`	`so we can do instances solo`
`14:45.58`	`Wobin`	`MANBEARCHICKENCAT, Attack!`
`14:47.26`	`KriLL3`	`that character deleting epix flightform would be nice also`
`14:48.37`	`KriLL3`	`I just hope blizz does something about us ferals, it sucks looking the exact same as a level 20 druid in catform and a level 40 in dire bear...`
`14:48.58`	`nevcairiel`	`you can change your bear skin with a rune`
`14:49.10`	`KriLL3`	`perhaps make a new better looking form you need to spec to at max feral points and make the chest piece add armor to it or something`
`14:49.11`	`Neya`	`I don't want to be a polarbear :(`
`14:49.16`	`KriLL3`	`nevcairiel: huh?`
`14:49.16`	`nevcairiel`	`*glyph`
`14:49.30`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`14:49.39`	`Wobin`	`I'd totally make a feral druid named Bundy`
`14:49.43`	`nevcairiel`	`supposedly you get a glyph to change the feral appearence`
`14:49.46`	`KriLL3`	`I meant something that makes it obvious you're not wearing greens and is only partially feral or not at all`
`14:49.50`	`Wobin`	`if I could get a polar appearance`
`14:50.11`	`Wobin`	`KriLL3: Kinda like the ZA bear mounts?`
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`14:50.16`	`KriLL3`	`give people with max feral spec a special appearance and forms`
`14:50.22`	`KriLL3`	`Wobin: a bit but not all voodoo`
`14:50.31`	`Wobin`	`but armour and the like`
`14:50.33`	`KriLL3`	`and it should reflect say your chest armor`
`14:50.51`	`Wobin`	`although if you shift back to elf/tauren, it should look stupidly overlarge and baggy =)`
`14:50.58`	`Neya`	`saw a relativly nice idea of a new skill from a player once, sort of like how hunters tame pets druids could absorb new forms.`
`14:51.16`	`Wobin`	`or hunters could tame druids =)`
`14:51.17`	`KriLL3`	`well it would have different shapes for your forms, but the same look/texture`
`14:51.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`~lart wobin`
`14:51.26`	`purl`	`makes a balloon animal out of wobin`
`14:51.36`	`KriLL3`	`so you could see what teir/s gear you have`
`14:51.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`still waiting on splut :-P`
`14:51.42`	`KriLL3`	`atm a feral druid looks the same in forms`
`14:51.50`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`14:51.54`	`Wobin`	`I was disappointed about that`
`14:52.05`	`Wobin`	`also that you have that cool bear quest for the bear form`
`14:52.08`	`Wobin`	`... then nothing =P`
`14:52.17`	`KriLL3`	`I wish we had some of that "look at me, I got glowzoring epix!"`
`14:52.28`	`Wobin`	`it should transfer to your paws`
`14:52.33`	`KriLL3`	`yeah`
`14:52.56`	`KriLL3`	`it would be absurd to expect all armor pieces to translate into feral form gear, but chest is imo something that would be doable`
`14:53.01`	`ckknight`	`or markings on the back of the bear`
`14:53.03`	`ckknight`	`or anything`
`14:53.06`	`Wobin`	`They need cooler quests for the new forms`
`14:53.15`	`KriLL3`	`all lesser gear got one standard armor model and you just put the texture of the chest on it, and higher stuff got their own models etc`
`14:53.17`	`Wobin`	`you should have to earn it, like bear/walrus`
`14:53.20`	`Neya`	`that's something I'd like to see, individual markings.`
`14:53.38`	`Wobin`	`hehe it should show up as the tabard pattern =)`
`14:53.41`	`KriLL3`	`Neya: imo armor would be more distinct`
`14:54.07`	`Daemona`	`Druids need GRILLS`
`14:54.12`	`Daemona`	`epic teeth you know`
`14:54.13`	`Wobin`	`and spinners`
`14:54.17`	`KriLL3`	`and making druid chest pieces have a bear and cat version with the same basic look and perhaps even the same texture wouldn't be hard`
`14:54.40`	`Wobin`	`Travel form definitely needs spinners`
`14:54.48`	`Wobin`	`cause when I'm standing still, I'm still rolling, yo`
`14:54.50`	`KriLL3`	`chrome!`
`14:55.12`	`KriLL3`	`http://catchthatdruid.ytmnd.com/ XD`
`14:57.04`	`KriLL3`	`I got that on one of my screens looping while playing WSG as guidance`
`14:58.21`	`Wobin`	`I wouldn't mind some differences in the forms`
`14:58.27`	`Wobin`	`tree form should all look different`
`14:58.32`	`KriLL3`	`anyone else have pitbull at times still slowing your last target's details when switching target mid fight?`
`14:59.05`	`KriLL3`	`Wobin: I just wish your gear was somehow visible in forms so people know if you're rolling epix bling or got greens`
`14:59.06`	`Neya`	`it won't update to the new unit if I switch sometimes no. If that's what you meant Krill3`
`14:59.13`	`KriLL3`	`yeah`
`14:59.26`	`Neya`	`Krill3, for that you check their mana or health :P`
`14:59.49`	`KriLL3`	`can't do either if you're hostile until you've engaged`
`15:00.04`	`Wobin`	`KriLL3: That means they'd have to remodel all the cloth and leather to the bear/cat/bird models`
`15:00.11`	`Wobin`	`which is probably beyond the scope =P`
`15:00.16`	`KriLL3`	`it's a bit fun to bait really poorly geared hordies, but that's about it`
`15:00.20`	`Neya`	`for those cases you count on them having t5/t6, if they got greens all the better for you.`
`15:00.48`	`KriLL3`	`Wobin: as said all normal gear would only have one model that would use the same texture as the chest piece or similar, but epix druid stuff would have their own models`
`15:00.52`	`KriLL3`	`and it's only the chest piece`
`15:01.12`	`Neya`	`still, an armored bear looks at the very least, odd.`
`15:01.18`	`KriLL3`	`not really`
`15:01.29`	`KriLL3`	`there is plenty of lore showing druids with armor in forms`
`15:01.40`	`nevcairiel`	`doesnt change the odd-ness`
`15:01.47`	`Neya`	`exactly`
`15:01.55`	`KriLL3`	`the armor would have to be suitable, not the ZA bear kind, more like golden compass stuff`
`15:02.12`	`KriLL3`	`leather harness or similar perhaps`
`15:02.18`	`lozet`	`you really just want to show off though, right?`
`15:02.27`	`KriLL3`	`all other classes can..`
`15:02.39`	`KriLL3`	`too much to ask to have one item show in forms?`
`15:02.44`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`15:02.48`	`Wobin`	`Pants`
`15:02.51`	`lozet`	`switch out of form to show off`
`15:02.57`	`Wobin`	`cause a bear with pants would be hillarious`
`15:02.58`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah, a bear with pants`
`15:03.01`	`Neya`	`markings and colors, that's about as far as I can think it might go without looking out of place.`
`15:03.12`	`KriLL3`	`lozet: bah all rogues should be naked and without weapons in everything but stealth...`
`15:03.40`	`KriLL3`	`Neya: as said the lore supports druids with armor, and it wouldn't look odd at all`
`15:04.07`	`Vilkku`	`PINGY_MSG_NewLeader:SetShadowColor("1.0", "0.82", "0.06")`
`15:04.08`	`Neya`	`I'm in a different mind on that, (the bears in the golden compass looked horrible)`
`15:04.15`	`KriLL3`	`they looked awesome imo`
`15:04.20`	`Vilkku`	`messages in that frame still have a black outline =/`
`15:04.28`	`KriLL3`	`though that's plate, we'd have something more leather like`
`15:05.02`	`KriLL3`	`I would settle for a new look to our forms / new tier of forms also though`
`15:05.19`	`nevcairiel`	`glyph for new looks!`
`15:05.20`	`KriLL3`	`or perhaps some element like our claws scaling with AP`
`15:05.20`	`Wobin`	`yeh`
`15:05.46`	`Wobin`	`Cat sneaks up behind you.`
`15:05.50`	`Wobin`	`snikt!`
`15:05.51`	`Neya`	`the glyph to change the looks has potential. want to see how it turns out.`
`15:05.53`	`KriLL3`	`so we got something that shows if we're rolling a full set of grays or got S11 + 0.0001% drop stuff...`
`15:05.59`	`nevcairiel`	`KriLL3: i want my boobs scaling with spellpower then :D`
`15:06.16`	`KriLL3`	`nevcairiel: and physics!`
`15:06.18`	`KriLL3`	`:D`
`15:06.19`	`kappaccino`	`relevant to my interests`
`15:06.28`	`KriLL3`	`this is my fetish`
`15:06.36`	`Wobin`	`pft you want boobs`
`15:06.39`	`Wobin`	`go play AoC`
`15:06.50`	`nevcairiel`	`AoC looks horrible`
`15:06.55`	`Stanzilla`	`^`
`15:06.57`	`KriLL3`	`well most wow players are greasy teenagers, boobs are in blizz's best interest`
`15:06.58`	`nevcairiel`	`claims to be realistic and fails`
`15:07.21`	`Fisker-`	`fail aoc is fail`
`15:07.24`	`kappaccino`	`man I wish there was a wow server that only took in 20 plus`
`15:07.34`	`kappaccino`	`so people don't have to deal with kiddies`
`15:07.35`	`Fisker-`	`especially with their shitty LoD technology apparently subject to server lag`
`15:07.46`	`KriLL3`	`it has potential, but it's very incomplete, there isn't any endgame yet`
`15:07.48`	`Wobin`	`yeah the server lag is terrible at times`
`15:07.54`	`Wobin`	`but the good thing about the server lag`
`15:07.57`	`Wobin`	`is that it's serverwide`
`15:07.57`	`Aii`	`then people would just realize how many 20+ year olds there are that don't act like they're more than 16`
`15:08.08`	`Wobin`	`so you can see the npcs going "ohshitohshitlaaaag!"`
`15:08.43`	`kappaccino`	`well it's better than listening to their voices on vent`
`15:08.44`	`KriLL3`	`there are idiots and immature players everywhere, get an addon with a "idiots I'll never party/raid with ever again" list...`
`15:09.18`	`Wobin`	`Just join a good guild`
`15:09.31`	`Wobin`	`and ignore everyone else`
`15:09.36`	`Gagorian`	`What's the best way to put a table into alphabetical order?`
`15:09.43`	`Wobin`	`take the keys and sort them`
`15:09.52`	`Aii`	`by keys or by values, gagorian?`
`15:09.54`	`Gagorian`	`keys`
`15:09.54`	`KriLL3`	`had a kara raid yesterday and the 2 priests were afk/offline well over 50% of the time without warning explanation or apparent remorse`
`15:10.19`	`KriLL3`	`Gagorian: forks before knives with plates in the middle?`
`15:10.21`	`Wobin`	`KriLL3: I've had that. One priest just sat down and went out for dinner.`
`15:10.29`	`KriLL3`	`Wobin: yay...`
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`15:12.55`	`KriLL3`	`why bother joining a raid/party if you know you can't attend it? if something suddenly happens it's different but if you just cba doing your part? wtf?`
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`15:15.05`	`KriLL3`	`wtf I'm getting spammed`
`15:15.22`	`KriLL3`	`those stupid random named guys with their long strings of gibberish are messaging me`
`15:15.26`	`sb`	`with keys? sigh ;)`
`15:15.29`	`sb`	`ah okay`
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`15:15.45`	`KriLL3`	`and they all sign out the second they send something so you can't ignore`
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`15:18.23`	`sb`	`okay, got the same here KriLL3`
`15:18.54`	`Wobin`	`I'll head off before they hit W`
`15:18.58`	`Wobin`	`night all`
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`15:19.45`	`KriLL3`	`doesn't this network have protection against this stuff? :(`
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`15:20.16`	`sb`	`huh, wrong window`
`15:20.36`	`Fisker-`	`it does KriLL3`
`15:20.41`	`Fisker-`	`and it should be on as default`
`15:20.59`	`KriLL3`	`doesn't seem to be working that well...`
`15:21.39`	`nevcairiel`	`default setting is, that you cannot receive msgs from unregistered users`
`15:21.42`	`Fisker-`	`that or you disabled it`
`15:21.43`	`nevcairiel`	`unless you turned that off`
`15:21.58`	`KriLL3`	`I wouldn't know how to turn it off...`
`15:22.17`	`Fisker-`	`well could be they have registered`
`15:22.21`	`Fisker-`	`then you'd have to talk to some staff`
`15:22.33`	`nevcairiel`	`i havent seen registered bots yet`
`15:22.38`	`nevcairiel`	`or they would spam this channel too`
`15:22.56`	`KriLL3`	`they did`
`15:23.23`	`KriLL3`	`a couple of hours ago the channel got spammed by the same kind of rubbish`
`15:23.55`	`_rane`	`hmm`
`15:24.50`	`_rane`	`has anyone compiled a database out of items in wow?`
`15:25.04`	`_rane`	`erm, like in sqlite format or whatever`
`15:25.20`	`Fisker-`	`lol wtf`
`15:25.22`	`Fisker-`	`now i got it as well`
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`15:28.18`	`ckknight`	`_rane: that's what wowdb/wowhead/etc. is :-P`
`15:28.43`	`_rane`	`i need it to be local`
`15:28.51`	`illixil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:28.57`	`Pneumatus`	`write a fat data scraper? :>`
`15:29.00`	`_rane`	`nice, now i got the spam`
`15:29.00`	`KriLL3`	`can't you just rip their db?`
`15:29.25`	`_rane`	`i'd rather not start crawling wowhead`
`15:29.26`	`Pneumatus`	`why would you need an offline database for an online game tho o.O`
`15:29.39`	`KriLL3`	`Pneumatus: access time`
`15:29.42`	`KriLL3`	`I'd imagine`
`15:29.48`	`illixil`	`fuck`
`15:29.50`	`illixil`	`wtf`
`15:29.56`	`illixil`	`why are the realms offline`
`15:30.03`	`Aii`	`..maintainence?`
`15:30.07`	`KriLL3`	`illixil: mine isn't`
`15:30.08`	`Fisker-`	`zomg KriLL3 i'm being bombarded`
`15:30.08`	`gramg_`	`Tue maint?`
`15:30.14`	`Aii`	`it's tuesday morning...`
`15:30.23`	`KriLL3`	`Fisker-: someone set you up the bomb?`
`15:30.26`	`Fisker-`	`yep`
`15:30.33`	`Fisker-`	`where do i go to spam freenode staff about it? :o`
`15:30.36`	`pastamancer`	`_rane: http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/WDB itemcache.wdb would be the place to start probably`
`15:30.42`	`KriLL3`	`move every zig for great justice`
`15:30.42`	`Aii`	`Fisker-: you get signal?`
`15:30.59`	`illixil`	`oh yeah today is tuesday`
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`15:31.06`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
`15:31.07`	`illixil`	`damnit i gotta see my probation officer`
`15:31.08`	`Fisker-`	`i get no signal`
`15:31.08`	`illixil`	`=[`
`15:31.10`	`KriLL3`	`illixil: you're a bright lad`
`15:33.07`	`KriLL3`	`you're the kind of guy that wakes up in the middle of the night and wounder why no one told you there is a full solar eclipse right? :)`
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`15:34.19`	`illixil`	`nah i'd know if there was a solar eclipse`
`15:34.36`	`KriLL3`	`...`
`15:34.48`	`illixil`	`i love that stuff`
`15:35.52`	`KriLL3`	`I was implying you don't know that the sun goes down at night`
`15:36.10`	`Pneumatus`	`are the wdb cache files capped at 2mb or something?`
`15:37.02`	`KriLL3`	`they're capped at something, addons that store a lot of data all tell you it's % full`
`15:37.57`	`Pneumatus`	`so i guess if you see lots of new things your cache gets overwritten pretty fast`
`15:38.04`	`illixil`	`lol`
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`15:39.30`	`KriLL3`	`how can lootlink addons store so many items though?... or is that data already in wow somewhere?`
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`15:40.03`	`KriLL3`	`yay more spam`
`15:40.05`	`Pneumatus`	`you can pull it from the server cache i guess`
`15:40.16`	`Pneumatus`	`just change nick momentarily to stop them PM spamming you`
`15:40.38`	`notmehaha`	`-e ?`
`15:40.40`	`Pneumatus`	`the bots arent too bright`
`15:40.52`	`nevcairiel`	`only the author would know that!!!111`
`15:41.17`	`notmehaha`	`I hate zombies`
`15:41.28`	`Pneumatus`	`dont roll deathknight then`
`15:41.46`	`notmehaha`	`everyone will, starting at 55 = win`
`15:42.02`	`nevcairiel`	`starting at 70 with my existing char = win win`
`15:42.14`	`Pneumatus`	`10 levels of zzz in outlands with only other deathknigts at your side`
`15:42.20`	`notmehaha`	`dunno if I'll play much on it though, seems very micro management:y`
`15:42.44`	`nevcairiel`	`the 60-70 progress is pretty fast now`
`15:42.50`	`Pneumatus`	`i have levelled one to 57 just to do the openining dk zone`
`15:42.58`	`notmehaha2`	`more spam`
`15:43.01`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:43.05`	`nevcairiel`	`They hate you!`
`15:43.10`	`Pneumatus`	`i dont think i could cope with actually levelling one`
`15:43.12`	`notmehaha2`	`they hates me I say!`
`15:43.23`	`notmehaha2`	`Pneumatus: I got one level 70, should tell you something`
`15:43.28`	`notmehaha2`	`and one level 60`
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`15:43.43`	`notmehaha2`	`and I've had this account since day 1`
`15:43.47`	`Pneumatus`	`it just pains me when i see them trying to tank at the moment`
`15:43.57`	`notmehaha2`	`Pneumatus: not that good?`
`15:44.10`	`notmehaha2`	`blizz said something along the lines of them being "magic tankers"`
`15:44.17`	`notmehaha2`	`doesn't casters do that atm?`
`15:44.31`	`Pneumatus`	`SL locks normally`
`15:44.35`	`notmehaha2`	`yeah`
`15:44.36`	`Zicon`	`notmehaha2: You're not alone. =/`
`15:44.41`	`Aii`	`at least, if they don't also melee`
`15:44.55`	`Aii`	`lock trying to tank a mob that both casts and melees can end poorly`
`15:45.03`	`Pneumatus`	`DKs have a real issue with damage mitigation, and for 5mans at least struggle not to get 1shotted on pulls unless you bring 3 CC classes with you`
`15:45.06`	`notmehaha2`	`Aii: so they're intended for the bosses that does some melee but does most of their dmg in spells? seems a very narrow nitch`
`15:45.37`	`notmehaha2`	`Pneumatus: they don't have block and armor like paladins?`
`15:45.41`	`Aii`	`Pneumatus: is this in tank gear? or leveling gear`
`15:45.46`	`Pneumatus`	`both :<`
`15:45.54`	`Aii`	`notmehaha2: they dont use shields`
`15:45.57`	`Pneumatus`	`ive seen them in dungeon blues levelling gear`
`15:46.03`	`Pneumatus`	`and in full cobalt crafted sets`
`15:46.13`	`Pneumatus`	`and healing them regardless is woefull`
`15:46.17`	`notmehaha2`	`Aii: no shields? man...`
`15:46.35`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, the fact they dont have shields, so dont have block makes a hell of a difference`
`15:46.39`	`Aii`	`Pneumatus: well, my prot pally is glad to hear that :P`
`15:46.40`	`notmehaha2`	`druids don't have shields but we got more armor, def etc to offset that`
`15:46.54`	`notmehaha2`	`Pneumatus: well druid have neither block nor parry but we're still viable`
`15:46.59`	`nevcairiel`	`We'll see how that turns out`
`15:47.04`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, DKs havnt been scaled like druids either with mitigation`
`15:47.09`	`nevcairiel`	`they are nerfing the whole mitigation deal anyway`
`15:47.11`	`Pneumatus`	`and there are no real tanking talents at the moment`
`15:47.16`	`notmehaha2`	`our only dmg avoidance is dodge and we get 0 aggro if we dodge...`
`15:47.19`	`illixil`	`damnit they're still online`
`15:47.24`	`illixil`	`offline*`
`15:47.51`	`Pneu^`	`DKs are actually not too bad at holding aggro though`
`15:48.00`	`Aii`	`one would hope not`
`15:48.03`	`Pneu^`	`they just get hit insanely hard`
`15:48.12`	`nevcairiel`	`for now`
`15:48.16`	`Pneu^`	`yeh, for now`
`15:48.24`	`notmehaha2`	`I'd imagine they'll fix that`
`15:48.45`	`notmehaha2`	`having a tanking class made out of paper isn't brilliant`
`15:49.03`	`Pneu^`	`i honestly think blizzard should resign themselves to the fact DKs are gonna be poor tanks, and just make them plate wearing melee, with the added option of being able to tank the odd magic boss`
`15:49.16`	`notmehaha2`	`MS war 2.0`
`15:49.41`	`notmehaha2`	`imo DKs feel very shoehorned`
`15:49.47`	`Pneu^`	`special new magic-melee that eat up debuff slots`
`15:50.08`	`Aii`	`honestly`
`15:50.10`	`notmehaha2`	`imo DK should be a new talent tree kind of thing for paladins`
`15:50.16`	`notmehaha2`	`not a seperate class`
`15:50.18`	`Aii`	`i'd prefer them underpowered to start with rather than overpowered`
`15:50.37`	`notmehaha2`	`agreed, but imo they seem like and odd fit in the current balance of things`
`15:50.44`	`Pneumatus`	`they are overpowered solo though`
`15:50.57`	`Pneumatus`	`blood specced DKs are 1 man solo levelling machines`
`15:51.06`	`Aii`	`that's perfectly fine with me`
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`16:12.33`	`Fisker-`	`beta, not done, work in progress, etc.`
`16:12.34`	`Voliand`	`I dunno how much gold I've looted total...`
`16:12.35`	`nevcairiel`	`one ahcievement to fall down 65 feet while completly drunk`
`16:12.35`	`nevcairiel`	`does that`
`16:12.35`	`Fisker-`	`YOU AR DR<NK ON THE INTERNET NEVCAIRIEL`
`16:12.35`	`nevcairiel`	`always!`
`16:12.35`	`Voliand`	`do you have to land on the ground or can you fall into water or switch to swift flight before hitting the ground?`
`16:12.35`	`nevcairiel`	`are the new hair cuts in already?`
`16:12.35`	`Kirkburn`	`I can't cope without my Bartender on beta :(`
`16:12.35`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, nay`
`16:12.35`	`Fisker-`	`nope`
`16:12.35`	`nevcairiel`	`testing the flight form ;)`
`16:12.49`	`Voliand`	`I saw em mentioned in the patch notes on some site`
`16:12.50`	`Kirkburn`	`A fair few achievments are not retroactive`
`16:12.50`	`Kirkburn`	`Fairly sure the gold looting one isn't`
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`16:12.50`	`nevcairiel`	`hm didnt work`
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`16:12.50`	`Kirkburn`	`Voliand, I think you have to hit the ground`
`16:12.50`	`Kirkburn`	`Currently you can do it successfully while dead`
`16:12.50`	`Voliand`	`well go naked...`
`16:12.52`	`Voliand`	`no item dmg`
`16:12.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Without dying`
`16:12.52`	`nevcairiel`	`cat form ftw`
`16:12.52`	`Voliand`	`or catform, fall dmg mitigation`
`16:12.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Aye, that is the idea`
`16:12.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Expect slowfall potion to become popular again :)`
`16:12.52`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn is laggy`
`16:12.52`	`Voliand`	`Kirkburn: you lag`
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`16:12.52`	`Voliand`	`I got the cape`
`16:12.52`	`Kirkburn`	`o_O`
`16:12.53`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: i dont think i can fix bartender just jet, unless you do not need page swaps`
`16:12.53`	`Kirkburn`	`What do you mean I'm laggy??`
`16:12.53`	`Voliand`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:12.53`	`Voliand`	`Kirkburn: your lines in the convo all get bunched up into one block`
`16:12.53`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, I'll survive ... just :)`
`16:12.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Voliand, oh lol`
`16:12.53`	`Kirkburn`	`I bet that's freenode, seeing as we just had a netsplit`
`16:12.53`	`Voliand`	`nothing, nothing, nothing, then 10 lines at the same time, the first referring to stuff we said ages ago`
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`16:12.54`	`fewyn`	`yawns`
`16:12.54`	`Voliand`	`nevcairiel: bartender not playing nice with wotlk or what?`
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`16:12.56`	`nevcairiel`	`Voliand: they redesigned the whole secure state mechanism dealy`
`16:12.56`	`Voliand`	`yay`
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`16:12.56`	`Voliand`	`it's doable though right?`
`16:12.56`	`nevcairiel`	`not right now, i think`
`16:12.57`	`Voliand`	`it will retain it's functionality once you've wrangled it?`
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`16:13.15`	`nevcairiel`	`once the new system is fully in place`
`16:13.16`	`fewyn`	`yay for connection spam from netsplits`
`16:13.16`	`Voliand`	`nevcairiel: I asked if it's possible, not easy :)`
`16:13.16`	`nevcairiel`	`in a few client patches`
`16:13.16`	`nevcairiel`	`alestane commented on the forums, that some functionality is currently being redesigend`
`16:13.16`	`nevcairiel`	`and thus not in the code`
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`16:13.43`	`Aii`	`basically: possible, maybe, maybe not... do we want to bother implementing anything right now when the API will change under us... no`
`16:13.43`	`Voliand`	`must be really fun to make an addon and then have blizz change something to break it horribly`
`16:13.43`	`nevcairiel`	`i spent 10 minutes so far`
`16:13.43`	`nevcairiel`	`then 10 more to realize its not exactly possible`
`16:13.45`	`Voliand`	`Aii: I don't expect you to do it right now, just wondered if it would ever work the same again`
`16:13.45`	`Dark_Elf`	`just wondering if there is an addon that shows for example if one kills alot of enemys and inventory gets full, and i decide to walk to nearest merchant, what im looking for is something that shows the loot that i didnt have room for on the map or minimap`
`16:13.45`	`nevcairiel`	`it will, no worries`
`16:13.45`	`NeoTron`	`nevcairiel: you got a key too now?`
`16:13.45`	`nevcairiel`	`ya`
`16:13.45`	`nevcairiel`	`last week already`
`16:13.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`STOP BEING SO GODDAMN PREGNANT`
`16:13.46`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn i think you played a warlock, so no need for you to worry about the missing features =P http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Bartender4/WotlK/`
`16:13.46`	`Aii`	`o_O Pkekyo\|`
`16:13.46`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, huntard these days :P`
`16:13.47`	`Voliand`	`a druid sans page swap is a sad druid`
`16:13.47`	`NeoTron`	`so you're saying... working wotlk bar mod? :P`
`16:13.47`	`Kirkburn`	`runs off to the svn checkout`
`16:13.47`	`nevcairiel`	`NeoTron: without page swapping in any form`
`16:14.01`	`lozet`	`does bartender let you keep the default blizz bars and just make extra buttons?`
`16:14.02`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`16:14.02`	`Voliand`	`caster, cat, prowling cat, bearform, imagine having all the bars visible at once and all using different keybinds... ouch...`
`16:14.02`	`Voliand`	`lozet: why would you want to mix and match bars?`
`16:14.02`	`nevcairiel`	`Voliand: thats why i use default interface for now =(`
`16:14.02`	`Voliand`	`nevcairiel: it works?`
`16:14.17`	`nevcairiel`	`sure, why not?`
`16:14.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Aii: STOP IT DAMN YOU`
`16:14.17`	`lozet`	`totems take a lot of room i just want some extra buttons for them`
`16:14.28`	`Voliand`	`nevcairiel: just asking, I don't have a key... :<`
`16:14.40`	`NeoTron`	`I don't swap pages anyway`
`16:14.40`	`nevcairiel`	`like the default interface on live =P`
`16:14.52`	`Voliand`	`lozet: there are addons especially meant for that`
`16:14.52`	`Kirkburn`	`goes, tests`
`16:15.06`	`Voliand`	`nevcairiel: does it look better than the TBC one?`
`16:15.06`	`nevcairiel`	`Voliand: the same`
`16:15.17`	`nevcairiel`	`but its functional!`
`16:15.17`	`nevcairiel`	`for now`
`16:15.18`	`Voliand`	`heh`
`16:15.29`	`Voliand`	`I find the default UI in TBC to be rubbish`
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`16:15.59`	`Kirkburn`	`is getting prepared to dance and sing`
`16:15.59`	`Voliand`	`I use pitbull + bt4 + cart3 etc`
`16:15.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Don't we all :)`
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`16:15.59`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont use the default UI either`
`16:15.59`	`lozet`	`i use infinibar now and that lets me put in items to track also but somebody said that it isn't going to be updated ever again`
`16:15.59`	`nevcairiel`	`but it works`
`16:15.59`	`Voliand`	`I don't think any of my panels etc are default...`
`16:15.59`	`Aii`	`~lart Pkekyo\|`
`16:15.59`	`purl`	`explains, ever so gently, that if Pkekyo\| doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help`
`16:16.12`	`Pneumatus`	`while i have a stack of addons, ive made very few changes to the default UI`
`16:16.28`	`nevcairiel`	`wonder of oUF works on wotlk`
`16:16.40`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, uh, well ... I'm not sure it's working quite right`
`16:16.40`	`Voliand`	`I got addons that improve the lfg, tradeskill, quest panel, character pane etc`
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`16:16.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Aii: stop being so damn pregnant, what more info do you need?`
`16:16.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`also, that lart sucked :P`
`16:16.55`	`Kirkburn`	`None of the bar options appear`
`16:17.08`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: oh right, wrong Ace3 version`
`16:17.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Which do I need?`
`16:17.36`	`Aii`	`lets just go with the tried and true then Pkekyo\|`
`16:17.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Afaik, I have the wotlk branch`
`16:17.45`	`Aii`	`~whalepunt Pkekyo\|`
`16:17.46`	`purl`	`ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts Pkekyo\| across the Pacific`
`16:17.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~whalecrit Aii`
`16:17.55`	`purl`	`ACTION crits Aii with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Aii dies`
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`16:18.43`	`fewyn`	`~lart Vulcanus`
`16:18.44`	`purl`	`wallops Vulcanus with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long`
`16:19.59`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: i updated the externals to point to the branch, and commited another fix to the branch for the tab groups ;)`
`16:20.36`	`Kirkburn`	`I guess I should checkout with externals`
`16:21.05`	`Kirkburn`	`One other thing though - LibKeyBound has problems?`
`16:21.15`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`16:21.20`	`fewyn`	`peers at the US servers`
`16:21.22`	`nevcairiel`	`there is a problem with loading optional deps`
`16:21.23`	`nevcairiel`	`or so`
`16:21.28`	`nevcairiel`	`load it with externals`
`16:21.31`	`nevcairiel`	`and it'll work`
`16:22.16`	`falconindy`	`anyone recall the SID for the beta forums?`
`16:22.50`	`Voliand`	`anyone knows of an addon that adds a sound when a tab blinks? sometimes I miss it`
`16:23.07`	`Voliand`	`annoying to see an hour later your buddy whispered something`
`16:23.11`	`illixil`	`servers are still down =[`
`16:23.35`	`Voliand`	`illixil: naw, works fine`
`16:23.49`	`Aii`	`.`
`16:24.00`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, kewl`
`16:24.01`	`Pneumatus`	`falconindy: us or eu?`
`16:24.11`	`Aii`	`prods ckknight`
`16:24.16`	`Pneumatus`	`2000 for us, 2003 for eu anyway.`
`16:24.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Hope they fix the lod thing soonish`
`16:24.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`Voliand: or... get one of the mods that makes the chat tab keep blinking forever`
`16:24.20`	`ckknight`	`Aii: hrm?`
`16:24.20`	`falconindy`	`pneu: US`
`16:24.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`forever = until you click the chat tab`
`16:24.33`	`Aii`	`ckknight: unmute other channels -_-`
`16:24.33`	`Voliand`	`Gnarfoz: which?`
`16:24.44`	`ckknight`	`Aii: how do I do that?`
`16:24.49`	`Aii`	`mode -m`
`16:24.51`	`Voliand`	`-m`
`16:24.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`one that: you like, and that exists. I think Fane does that for example`
`16:24.57`	`ckknight`	`which channels?`
`16:25.12`	`Aii`	`curseforge`
`16:25.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`but I don't grasp haste's inane naming scheme for mods, so it might be one of the other ones he does`
`16:25.13`	`Voliand`	`Gnarfoz: I got prat, it doesn't do that that I know`
`16:25.15`	`Aii`	`among others`
`16:25.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah... like I said. get one that does :D`
`16:25.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`they are not mutually exclusive ;)`
`16:25.51`	`Voliand`	`well I hate having overlapping addons`
`16:26.08`	`Voliand`	`causes problems and it's a mess to configure, not to mention the waste of resources`
`16:26.34`	`fewyn`	`I really need to cut down on my addon usage "297 Dir(s) 112,430,645,248 bytes free"`
`16:26.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`haste's addons don't have "configuration"`
`16:26.46`	`Voliand`	`?...`
`16:26.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`they do something and that's that.`
`16:27.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`enable/disable by enabling/disabling the addon :p`
`16:27.09`	`Voliand`	`oh`
`16:27.13`	`Voliand`	`it's not a pack but does 1 think`
`16:27.16`	`Voliand`	`*thing`
`16:27.21`	`Voliand`	`like those addons`
`16:27.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's an addon, yes.`
`16:27.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`prat is something... else ;D`
`16:27.43`	`Voliand`	`hmm it just says it makes em look more appealing`
`16:27.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`then it's another one of his :D`
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`16:27.57`	`Voliand`	`I don't use most of prat's stuff but it's useful`
`16:27.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`Tenmetsu, Butsu, I dunno xD`
`16:28.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`check his wowi profile, it's available there, I know that much`
`16:28.29`	`Voliand`	`"Tenmetsu is a small add-on, which enables the whisper like flash behavior for other message types (ie. guild, raid etc). The add-on can be configured by changing the true/false table in flash.lua."`
`16:28.52`	`Voliand`	`Butsu is a loot frame replacement`
`16:29.04`	`Voliand`	`neither really seems to fit the bill`
`16:29.36`	`Stanzilla`	`Fane is for chattabs :D`
`16:30.00`	`Voliand`	`it has 9 comparability and it just makes em look weird in the SS`
`16:30.02`	`Voliand`	`*0`
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`16:30.18`	`Voliand`	`*configurability`
`16:30.22`	`Voliand`	`stupid spellcheck`
`16:30.28`	`Voliand`	`though that might not be a word...`
`16:32.55`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, it's still erroring to high heaven :(`
`16:33.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Mostly "CreateFrame(): Couldn't find inherited node "SecureStateHeaderTemplate":"`
`16:33.43`	`Kirkburn`	`No libkeybound problem this time though`
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`16:34.20`	`Voliand`	`I'm guessing it's best to wait until it's wotlk compatible :>`
`16:34.29`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm using the wotlk branch :P`
`16:35.49`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, like http://www.pastey.net/93146`
`16:36.01`	`Voliand`	`as he said blizz is changing the API and it's not possible atm to fix it`
`16:36.10`	`Voliand`	`it will be in a couple of patches`
`16:36.35`	`Kirkburn`	`That's not what he said`
`16:36.43`	`Trell_`	`are there any Beta compatible Bag and Buff mods?`
`16:36.48`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: sounds like you use a old version`
`16:36.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Trell_, Baggins works`
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`16:37.00`	`nevcairiel`	`Trell_: i patched up a copy of Combuctor to work`
`16:37.14`	`Kirkburn`	`nev, I checked it straight out of branches a few mins ago`
`16:38.05`	`Trell_`	`and is there any way to move the rune bar with any beta compatible mods?`
`16:38.34`	`Fisker-`	`how interesting Kirkburn`
`16:38.35`	`Fisker-`	`do go on`
`16:38.52`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: oh yeah, fixing`
`16:38.56`	`Kirkburn`	`:O`
`16:39.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Still, seems that this is going to be less of an addon breaker than TBC was`
`16:40.11`	`jaxdahl2`	`Trell_, well i use runehero which is a separate rune display`
`16:40.26`	`jaxdahl2`	`the runes still show up on my player portrait`
`16:40.45`	`Kirkburn`	`I completely ignored the runes as a dk, pitbull covered them, and I just didn't care what they showed :P`
`16:40.54`	`Kirkburn`	`If the abilities were lit, I used.`
`16:41.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Does that make me a bad dk? ;)`
`16:41.37`	`jaxdahl2`	`yes`
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`16:41.44`	`Kirkburn`	`yay`
`16:41.58`	`jaxdahl2`	`i'm doing about 900 dps in 5 mans at level 74`
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`16:42.31`	`Obe_work`	`soo, wrt the beta, do any addons work?`
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`16:42.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Obe_work, yes, a large portion do without trouble`
`16:42.53`	`Trell_`	`I just use pitbull in my default positions - ie middle bottom of the screen for me and target, tot underneath my target bar`
`16:43.02`	`jaxdahl2`	`Obe_work, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202532031&sid=2000`
`16:43.03`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: update`
`16:43.07`	`jaxdahl2`	`that is very helpful`
`16:43.07`	`Trell_`	`so my rune bar is left in the top left, floating on its own >_<`
`16:43.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Obe_work, with the case of Ace, it's mainly the libs that need tweaks`
`16:43.12`	`Obe_work`	`Ah, I just got in last night, and was playing around this morning`
`16:43.20`	`jaxdahl2`	`http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/19/9/104/RuneHero%201.1.0.png <-- this is what i use`
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`16:43.25`	`Trell_`	`but tbh, SLdataText, Pitbull and Simpleminimap should suffice me for now`
`16:43.33`	`Trell_`	`although Clearfont and MSBT working is awesome too ;)`
`16:43.44`	`Voliand`	`jaxdahl2: wtf?`
`16:43.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Trell_, yay for ClearFont :P`
`16:44.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Voliand, indeed ... wtf?`
`16:44.15`	`Voliand`	`looks like someone took a can of glow in the dark paint to a sword and garnished with random icons`
`16:44.25`	`Kirkburn`	`What's with them moving around?`
`16:44.36`	`Voliand`	`Kirkburn: perhaps they orbit it`
`16:44.44`	`Voliand`	`like electrons or something`
`16:44.44`	`jaxdahl2`	`they move right to left`
`16:44.47`	`Kirkburn`	`oh, oh!`
`16:44.47`	`Trell_`	`just waiting on my characters to finish copying - the DK starting area is doing my head in, can't seem to complete the Miner quest`
`16:44.51`	`jaxdahl2`	`when they are at the hilt, they are ready to use`
`16:44.56`	`Kirkburn`	`As they refill?`
`16:44.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Aha`
`16:45.03`	`Kirkburn`	`Okay, I get it`
`16:45.09`	`jaxdahl2`	`makes it easy for me to see when they will be ready soon`
`16:45.14`	`ckknight`	`is anyone here in Warhammer and interested in making mods for it?`
`16:45.15`	`Obe_work`	`i almost died on the first quest in the dk area`
`16:45.18`	`jaxdahl2`	`so i can think about my next abilities`
`16:45.18`	`Obe_work`	`where you had to kill that guy`
`16:45.19`	`Voliand`	`well it's not very functional or good looking...`
`16:45.23`	`jaxdahl2`	`Obe_work, wow that's bad`
`16:45.27`	`Kirkburn`	`...`
`16:45.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, once you know the abilities :)`
`16:45.46`	`Obe_work`	`i was just spamming buttons and by the time i killed the prisoner i was at half health`
`16:45.50`	`Voliand`	`why does all of you got keys but I don't? :(`
`16:46.01`	`Trell_`	`Obe_work; lol, same as me`
`16:46.02`	`Obe_work`	`i stole it from my gf (6)`
`16:46.04`	`jaxdahl2`	`Voliand, it works a ton better than the default rune display`
`16:46.20`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, getting it now`
`16:46.21`	`Trell_`	`I still don't quite get what I'm doing, but facerolling over my 5 abilities seems to work just fine.`
`16:46.23`	`jaxdahl2`	`it lights up red for sudden doom (no cost crit death coil)`
`16:46.55`	`ccKep`	`wants beta key too, goddammit`
`16:46.56`	`Voliand`	`jaxdahl2: well the graphics and layout leave something to be desired`
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`16:47.17`	`jaxdahl2`	`i would like to see a little bar between the rune and the zero point`
`16:47.20`	`Trell_`	`err you seen this post?`
`16:47.26`	`Voliand`	`having multiple elements overlap and graphics that are +color stuff...`
`16:47.27`	`Trell_`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557252889&sid=2000`
`16:47.30`	`Trell_`	`how annoying for us Rogues`
`16:47.58`	`Voliand`	`"Server is busy, please try again" yes that is annoying`
`16:48.12`	`jaxdahl2`	`Trell_, he's misunderstanding it a bit`
`16:48.25`	`Trell_`	`so is he right or wrong?`
`16:48.39`	`Trell_`	`in that Rogues can't use abilities as the energy bar fills or not?`
`16:48.45`	`jaxdahl2`	`they can use it as it fills`
`16:48.51`	`Trell_`	`hmmmm`
`16:49.02`	`jaxdahl2`	`let me try to explain`
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`16:49.22`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, it works!`
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`16:49.26`	`Trell_`	`I can't check at the moment, due to waiting for my Rogue to copy over`
`16:49.26`	`jaxdahl2`	`suppose you're at 30, under the old system, you wouldn't be able to SS until 2 seconds later, when it's at 50`
`16:49.28`	`Kirkburn`	`And my god, that's a lot of buttons!`
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`16:49.35`	`Trell_`	`right jaxdahl`
`16:49.45`	`Obe_work`	`anyone know if parrot works in the beta?`
`16:49.51`	`Trell_`	`MSBT does, Obe_work`
`16:49.53`	`Trell_`	`use that instead`
`16:49.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Obe_work, it does`
`16:50.01`	`nevcairiel`	`parrot doesnt even work right on live`
`16:50.02`	`jaxdahl2`	`but under this system, your client will let you SS when it thinks you have 40 energy, and the server will get that message`
`16:50.14`	`Kirkburn`	`buh? Parrot is working fine for me...`
`16:50.19`	`Voliand`	`jaxdahl2: sounds like a minefield of lag`
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`16:50.23`	`jaxdahl2`	`and it will compare the time of the last energy tick (30) to when you sent the SS message`
`16:50.24`	`lozet`	`boo they nerfed the armor gain for improved tree`
`16:50.29`	`Obe_work`	`prof alberts been hacking it to make it sort of work`
`16:50.40`	`Trell_`	`I don't understand, jaxdahl2 - it's still very confusing`
`16:50.40`	`jaxdahl2`	`so, if SS_time-30_tick_time=1 second`
`16:50.42`	`jaxdahl2`	`then you can SS`
`16:50.48`	`jaxdahl2`	`but lag could mess it up`
`16:50.51`	`Trell_`	`I guess I'll wait till I get my Rogue copied to try it`
`16:51.00`	`Trell_`	`even then I won't know for sure due to having 400 latency on beta >_<`
`16:51.07`	`Voliand`	`jaxdahl2: so it's still buttonmashing?`
`16:51.17`	`jaxdahl2`	`i'd say yes voliand`
`16:51.24`	`Voliand`	`you mash until what you want to happen happens`
`16:51.25`	`jaxdahl2`	`it's very good if you have decent ping`
`16:51.39`	`Voliand`	`I'm guessing kittens work the same`
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`16:52.30`	`jaxdahl2`	`if you hit it when the client thinks you have 40 but the server thinks you have 39, i'm not sure when the client will let you send another SS message.. if it lags so much you can't send until you have 51+ energy, then you'd be better off under the old system`
`16:52.59`	`Voliand`	`errm the thread says differently, you have 30 until it ticks`
`16:53.10`	`Voliand`	`you don't actually have 40 mid-tick`
`16:53.19`	`jaxdahl2`	`Voliand, you do. i've tested it a bit`
`16:53.36`	`Voliand`	`jaxdahl2: all the replies in the forum says the opposite`
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`16:53.46`	`jaxdahl2`	`i got myself to zero energy, and was able to SS right when it said 45-46 energy (non-talented SS)`
`16:54.00`	`jaxdahl2`	`wouldnt' have been able to until 60 under the old system`
`16:54.15`	`Voliand`	`errm you thick to 20 from 0, not 60`
`16:54.51`	`jaxdahl2`	`40->60`
`16:55.51`	`Voliand`	`"Its already causing problems with Slice and Dice." what kind of problems?`
`16:56.03`	`jaxdahl2`	`i am not sure - that seems like a different problem`
`16:56.07`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, micromenu is missing achievements?`
`16:56.14`	`nevcairiel`	`oh`
`16:56.16`	`nevcairiel`	`possible`
`16:56.18`	`nevcairiel`	`thanks`
`16:56.19`	`jaxdahl2`	`even if you set predicted power to zero, you will see the server is still using the new system`
`16:56.55`	`jaxdahl2`	`ie, your energy won't update to an exact value of the difference corresponding to the energy requirements of the ability you used`
`16:57.10`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, np`
`16:57.18`	`jaxdahl2`	`i think most rogues will be better off leaving predictedPower = 1`
`16:57.44`	`Kirkburn`	`I feel like it's missing another icon, but maybe that's just my paranoia`
`16:58.35`	`Kirkburn`	`I'd love if they redid the bar element graphics - seems slightly sad to have stuff designed in 2004 still`
`16:58.50`	`jaxdahl2`	`you talking about the default blizz bars?`
`16:58.52`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: it was missing the pvp icon as well`
`16:58.57`	`jaxdahl2`	`the gryphons on the sides etc?`
`16:59.06`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, aha, so it is`
`16:59.14`	`nevcairiel`	`commited`
`16:59.15`	`jaxdahl2`	`there are actually some new graphics when you control some vehicles and stuff`
`16:59.16`	`Kirkburn`	`jaxdahl, aye, and the micromenu`
`16:59.17`	`fewyn`	`yay the realms are coming up`
`16:59.22`	`Kirkburn`	`jaxdahl, yep`
`16:59.33`	`Kirkburn`	`A whole new action bar comes up, all steampunk in style`
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`16:59.37`	`jaxdahl2`	`yea`
`17:00.07`	`nevcairiel`	`i think the green overlay is still too small now`
`17:00.19`	`nevcairiel`	`but thats just visual =P`
`17:00.33`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
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`17:00.49`	`Voliand`	`how does multi person mounts work? are they only for specific quests and that pvp area or can you use em normally?`
`17:01.12`	`fewyn`	`i think you'll be able to use them normally`
`17:01.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Quests mainly in the beta atm`
`17:01.24`	`Kirkburn`	`It's not really implemented apart from that yet`
`17:01.28`	`fewyn`	`but we don't know what is instore for us yet!`
`17:01.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Want Wintergrasp.`
`17:01.44`	`jaxdahl2`	`yea, there's a quest at wintergarde keep that involves picking up villagers on a quest mount`
`17:01.45`	`Voliand`	`would be cool to have a party on one mount :>`
`17:02.23`	`sdouble`	`i would be tempted to run and jump off a cliff`
`17:02.50`	`Voliand`	`me2, I can flightform before hitting the bottom... :>`
`17:03.05`	`sdouble`	`Yeah, I was just typing "especially since I'm a druid"`
`17:03.23`	`Voliand`	`druids loose altitude in style`
`17:03.45`	`Aeyan`	`I've already told my friends I'm going to do that at some point`
`17:03.45`	`Voliand`	`unless you don't account for sudden shattrath lag`
`17:03.56`	`sdouble`	`I once changed my flight form button for something I was using at the time and forgot to change it back`
`17:03.56`	`Aeyan`	`I'm a priest, they're a mage, paladin, and druid`
`17:04.06`	`sdouble`	`Oh, the skettis quests`
`17:04.07`	`Voliand`	`sdouble: ouch`
`17:04.07`	`Aeyan`	`They can save themselves, if they're paying attention =P`
`17:04.34`	`Voliand`	`Aeyan: well the potion isn't that common and the parachute cloak got a timer once equipped`
`17:04.45`	`Voliand`	`most would faceplant`
`17:04.59`	`Aeyan`	`They're a mage, paladin, and druid`
`17:05.02`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, is there a dreamlayout for bt4?`
`17:05.03`	`Aeyan`	`They can do it default, heh`
`17:05.04`	`Voliand`	`oh`
`17:05.11`	`Aeyan`	`Like I said, they just have to be paying attention`
`17:05.13`	`durcyn`	`Kirkburn: via buttonfacade`
`17:05.15`	`Voliand`	`Kirkburn: buttonfacade`
`17:05.19`	`sdouble`	`The sheer shock of plummeting to their death might finish them`
`17:05.26`	`Aeyan`	`Good times`
`17:05.33`	`Aeyan`	`I warned 'em`
`17:05.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Wassis buttonfacade?`
`17:05.36`	`Voliand`	`naw druids are used to it, we do it all the time`
`17:05.43`	`Voliand`	`Kirkburn: addon that skins buttons`
`17:05.45`	`Aeyan`	`CyCircled replacement/alternative`
`17:06.02`	`Aeyan`	`Requires support by the author though, instead of forcing it`
`17:06.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Next question: does it work on beta? :P`
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`17:06.33`	`Voliand`	`I don't have a key, how would I know? :(`
`17:06.44`	`Aeyan`	`Nope, it doesn't`
`17:06.48`	`Saroz_`	`Is there a mod that equips riding trinket when you mount?`
`17:06.59`	`Voliand`	`Saroz_: no`
`17:07.01`	`jaxdahl2`	`three more classes left to kill with my death knight! paladin, hunter, druid`
`17:07.03`	`Saroz_`	`:X`
`17:07.04`	`chexsum`	`itemrack`
`17:07.06`	`Voliand`	`there isn't one, there is a million`
`17:07.11`	`Saroz_`	`ya need one`
`17:07.16`	`Saroz_`	`not for me ofc, not that nubbish`
`17:07.20`	`Saroz_`	`just give name`
`17:07.26`	`Voliand`	`closetgnome is my fav`
`17:07.31`	`jaxdahl2`	`i need to find a foolish paladin that didn't spec ret`
`17:07.46`	`Aeyan`	`I thought that's usually the definition`
`17:07.53`	`Voliand`	`jaxdahl2: I thought the foolish once did spec ret?`
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`17:08.10`	`Obe_work`	`i'm disappointed that outfitter hasn't been updated to prevent canceling of casts when you dismount`
`17:08.27`	`Voliand`	`most wardrobe addons don't :(`
`17:08.33`	`Voliand`	`including closetgnome`
`17:08.49`	`Obe_work`	`i get pretty frustrated when i dismount to pick up a herb/mine node only to have the cast stop midway through because it decided to de-equip my riding crop`
`17:08.54`	`Voliand`	`can't count the times I've run out of combat and it changes something queued up in the middle of my heal`
`17:09.20`	`Voliand`	`Obe_work: that's odd, should do it immediately after dismounting, shouldn't interupt`
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`17:09.47`	`Voliand`	`it removes my flying trinket when I exit flightform and it doesn't interrupt my mining`
`17:10.03`	`Obe_work`	`do you dismount first, then click on the node?`
`17:10.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`there are no gear addons besides ItemRack ;>`
`17:10.21`	`Voliand`	`Obe_work: no`
`17:10.24`	`Obe_work`	`because i have auto-dismount enabled such that if I right click on a node it will auto-dismount me to begin mining`
`17:10.28`	`Voliand`	`Gnarfoz: errm there is a million`
`17:10.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`...`
`17:10.37`	`Fisker-`	`it only interrupts casts when you are in combat`
`17:11.01`	`Obe_work`	`that's not the behavior i'm experiencing`
`17:11.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`Voliand: there's also other bossmods besides bigwigs, but sane people don't use those either. ;)`
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`17:12.15`	`Voliand`	`Gnarfoz: closetgnome is a lot more usable than itemrack imo`
`17:12.32`	`bcoca`	`outfitter ftw`
`17:12.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`Voliand: your "O" sucks then`
`17:12.39`	`Voliand`	`I started with wardrobe, after it went south itemrack and last closetgnome`
`17:12.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`17:12.56`	`Obe_work`	`bcoca: do you experience this?`
`17:12.56`	`bcoca`	`itemrack > closetgnome > outfitter`
`17:13.11`	`bcoca`	`er s/>/->/`
`17:13.27`	`bcoca`	`that was my migration from less features to more`
`17:13.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`bcoca: no, your initial statement was absolutely correct. ;D`
`17:13.36`	`Voliand`	`I like closetgnome's banking implementation`
`17:13.58`	`Voliand`	`can retrieve and store sets`
`17:13.58`	`bcoca`	`guess its a question of tastes, outfitter works great for me, the automation can be fixed to not do silly things`
`17:14.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`which is different from what others do in /which/ way?`
`17:14.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, ItemRack has been doing that for longer than CG exists, so how's this new :D`
`17:14.17`	`Obe_work`	`bcoca: yeah, the automation is sometimes messed up`
`17:14.19`	`Voliand`	`Gnarfoz: didn't see that feature in the others`
`17:14.21`	`bcoca`	`dont get me wrong itemrack and closetgnome are good options`
`17:14.59`	`bcoca`	`i just think that outfitter is better, has saner default options and lets you edit the automation scripts to fix what you dont like`
`17:15.21`	`bcoca`	`instead of mucking with the main lua script w/o knowing possible consequences`
`17:15.28`	`bcoca`	`of your changes`
`17:15.57`	`Obe_work`	`bcoca: do you think i could add something into the automation script for the flying outfit to not equip while casting?`
`17:16.00`	`bcoca`	`small scripts are easy to modify, some of these are so big and complicated that I wouldn't change w/o knownig the code very well`
`17:16.28`	`Voliand`	`Obe_work: why doesn't it change the second you stop flying?`
`17:16.34`	`bcoca`	`Obe_work: outfitter already does that, I even set it so it doesn't put up riding gear in BG`
`17:16.50`	`Voliand`	`bcoca: that's a bad idea`
`17:16.57`	`Voliand`	`a lot of bgs need speed`
`17:17.14`	`bcoca`	`Voliand: not me, i need the right gear and my trinkets w/o cooldown, again, your choice`
`17:17.15`	`Obe_work`	`Voliand: I don't know, there's a few seconds lag between when I dismount and when outfitter unequips my riding crop`
`17:17.17`	`Voliand`	`I switch out the non pvp trinket one while mounted anyway`
`17:17.32`	`bcoca`	`Obe_work: its an option, you can change that`
`17:17.34`	`Voliand`	`Obe_work: closetgnome does it instantly`
`17:17.36`	`Obe_work`	`bcoca: I could try updating outfitter? Although I'm pretty sure wau should do that automatically`
`17:17.53`	`bcoca`	`Obe_work: doen cause the programmer dismounts in air and uses parachute cloak (i do too)`
`17:17.55`	`Obe_work`	`hmmm`
`17:17.58`	`Obe_work`	`i'll have to look into that`
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`17:18.22`	`Obe_work`	`bcoca: doen?`
`17:18.25`	`bcoca`	`Voliand: cant swtich if they dismounted you in combat`
`17:18.27`	`bcoca`	`done`
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`17:18.50`	`Voliand`	`bcoca: as said it only switches out my +dmg trinket, doesn't replace my anti-stun one`
`17:18.58`	`Voliand`	`I can live without my +dmg one`
`17:19.16`	`Voliand`	`yes if it replaced the pvp trink it would be bad`
`17:19.22`	`bcoca`	`Voliand: i use my chicken trinket as a defensive weapon, last thing i want to do is have it in cooldown`
`17:19.36`	`bcoca`	`so i need both always`
`17:19.40`	`Voliand`	`bcoca: I don't use it in pvp, only while tanking`
`17:19.48`	`Obe_work`	`hmmm, well, i'll mess around with it tonight`
`17:19.55`	`bcoca`	`hehe, that too, but great against casters in BG`
`17:20.04`	`bcoca`	`they can only peck you to death`
`17:20.18`	`jaxdahl2`	`well this argument is going to be moot anyway`
`17:20.18`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: all skinning is done by ButtonFacade for BT4, didnt test if it works on wotlk yet, though`
`17:20.19`	`bcoca`	`and annoys the hell out of them`
`17:20.27`	`jaxdahl2`	`once they get mount enchants working`
`17:20.36`	`Voliand`	`that'd be fun but it's not usable in the arena`
`17:20.43`	`bcoca`	`jaxdahl2: amen!`
`17:21.00`	`bcoca`	`Voliand: that is why i said BG`
`17:21.22`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, I'll survive without for now. I like the new fadeout style :)`
`17:21.28`	`Kirkburn`	`(I'm going from BT3 to BT4)`
`17:21.29`	`bcoca`	`nothing pisses off a mage more than a polymorf from a warrior`
`17:21.30`	`Voliand`	`well I don't really need something like that in BG, I'm a ganker`
`17:21.37`	`Voliand`	`I'm a feral druid`
`17:21.43`	`bcoca`	`Voi`
`17:21.51`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: dont get to used to BT4, i plan to write a new shiny thingy for wotlk`
`17:21.57`	`Voliand`	`if I don't like the situation I run to come back a min later with full hp`
`17:21.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`nev, is there a WOTLK branch of BT4?`
`17:22.00`	`bcoca`	`Voliand: my point was, outfitter lets you tweak that to your style`
`17:22.10`	`Kirkburn`	`ZealotOnAStick, yes`
`17:22.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`gief!`
`17:22.15`	`nevcairiel`	`ZealotOnAStick: yes, but it doesnt support any page swapping of any kind`
`17:22.17`	`Voliand`	`bcoca: I got a better addon for trinket replacement anyway, trinketmenu`
`17:22.19`	`bcoca`	`with itemrack and closetgnome you need to modify the addon iteslf`
`17:22.30`	`jaxdahl2`	`bt4=bartender 4?`
`17:22.30`	`Voliand`	`it supports queuing trinkets etc`
`17:22.38`	`Voliand`	`nevcairiel: bt5? :>`
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`17:22.43`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`svn branches, or where?`
`17:22.44`	`nevcairiel`	`no, just Bartender`
`17:22.46`	`nevcairiel`	`stupid numbers`
`17:22.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Publord!`
`17:22.48`	`nevcairiel`	`ZealotOnAStick: yea`
`17:22.50`	`Voliand`	`heh`
`17:22.59`	`jaxdahl2`	`name it barmaid`
`17:23.07`	`Voliand`	`nice rack`
`17:23.13`	`Kirkburn`	`:D`
`17:23.55`	`jaxdahl2`	`barkeep`
`17:23.57`	`jaxdahl2`	`barkeeper`
`17:24.47`	`Voliand`	`the only thing missing from bt4 is a consumables bar thingy or the ability to make the bars decrease in # of buttons in the other direction, got problems with empty slots overlapping an autobar addon :<`
`17:25.08`	`nevcairiel`	`you can shrink bars`
`17:25.12`	`Voliand`	`need to move em all and add/remove buttons etc etc`
`17:25.15`	`Voliand`	`only one direction`
`17:25.29`	`Voliand`	`if the empty slots are in the wrong direction you need to move the contents first`
`17:25.45`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont usually change that once its set up o.o`
`17:26.01`	`Voliand`	`wouldn't it be possible to make empty slots a lower layer or something so they don't overlap other stuff?`
`17:26.07`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`17:26.12`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe with 3.0`
`17:26.36`	`Voliand`	`well my consumables bar changes size as I gain and use it's content`
`17:27.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`any other useful WOTLK branches of useful stuff I can play with?`
`17:27.35`	`Voliand`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:28.16`	`nevcairiel`	`what do i know, i didnt write one line of code for it yet`
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`17:28.25`	`nevcairiel`	`hmm now where do i get alcohol in shat`
`17:28.29`	`Scrosson`	`hi`
`17:28.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`nevcairiel: from the bar`
`17:28.49`	`nevcairiel`	`worlds end tavern doesnt have :(`
`17:29.00`	`Scrosson`	`does anybody here kno where i can download the wotlk beta client without the blizz downloader as its really slow.`
`17:29.03`	`Voliand`	`this is an outrage!`
`17:29.17`	`Voliand`	`Scrosson: tried wowwiki?`
`17:30.19`	`Scrosson`	`yeah the middle download links website download link didnt work and the top one is the same speed as wow downloader and the bottom site i couldnt even get the download started`
`17:30.40`	`Voliand`	`sounds like epic fail`
`17:31.05`	`Scrosson`	`dont wanna wait 15hours`
`17:31.08`	`jaxdahl2`	`Scrosson, hex edit the .exe downloader`
`17:31.12`	`ulic`	`Most of those links are to blizzards official downloads I think, so i doubt you'd get anything different.`
`17:31.17`	`jaxdahl2`	`delete everything up to d8:announce`
`17:31.18`	`jaxdahl2`	`and save`
`17:31.23`	`Scrosson`	`?`
`17:31.24`	`jaxdahl2`	`open as .torrent`
`17:31.27`	`Scrosson`	`brb`
`17:31.34`	`ulic`	`Scrosson: just give me your key, so I can use it now, and I'll give you mine when I get it.`
`17:31.49`	`Scrosson`	`no`
`17:31.51`	`Scrosson`	`lol`
`17:32.10`	`ulic`	`but your key is going to waste for 15hrs.`
`17:32.15`	`Scrosson`	`okay iv stoped blizz downloader where do i start now`
`17:32.22`	`Scrosson`	`i already used my key on my account ayway m8 :P`
`17:32.28`	`jaxdahl2`	`Search for d8:announce at the end of the downloader executable, and then save from this point to the end of the executable to a separate file. Add .torrent to the file name and open in any BitTorrent Client.`
`17:32.40`	`ulic`	`I just used the blizzard downloader, but then again, I don't have my key yet.`
`17:32.56`	`jaxdahl2`	`alternatively`
`17:33.03`	`jaxdahl2`	`nvm`
`17:33.14`	`Scrosson`	`hmm im on a unix system`
`17:33.26`	`jaxdahl2`	`and?`
`17:33.31`	`Scrosson`	`meh`
`17:33.43`	`jaxdahl2`	`you don't have a torrent client?`
`17:34.01`	`Scrosson`	`nope ill try, and using wine is a pain`
`17:34.14`	`jaxdahl2`	`there are native unix torrent clients...`
`17:34.23`	`jaxdahl2`	`no need to use wine`
`17:34.31`	`Scrosson`	`k`
`17:34.41`	`jaxdahl2`	`hell, the original bt client was written in python`
`17:34.51`	`Voliand`	`wow doesn't have a unix build to my knowledge...`
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`17:35.07`	`Scrosson`	`i kno that but i dunno what u mean about finding d8:announce at end of w/e and such cause im a nab`
`17:35.13`	`Scrosson`	`it doesnt`
`17:35.16`	`Scrosson`	`i use wine`
`17:35.16`	`jaxdahl2`	`do you know how to use perl or python`
`17:35.21`	`Voliand`	`Scrosson: ouch`
`17:35.27`	`Scrosson`	`not me, only kno vb`
`17:35.40`	`jaxdahl2`	`how the hell are you using an unix system then`
`17:35.52`	`jaxdahl2`	`http://blizzard.pastebin.com/f67cee544 can you figure out how to run that`
`17:36.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Magic and kittens, jaxdahl, magic and kittens`
`17:36.17`	`Voliand`	`Scrosson: is there a reason why you're not dual booting XP?`
`17:36.39`	`Voliand`	`Kirkburn: you mean druids?`
`17:36.54`	`Scrosson`	`well the PC came with windows home on it, i wanted to clean it up etc but found out the key on the sticker on my machine wouldnt work :(`
`17:37.04`	`Scrosson`	`so now am using ubuntu`
`17:37.19`	`Voliand`	`errm call your OEM`
`17:37.20`	`elite3vil`	`/facepalm`
`17:37.35`	`Scrosson`	`cba`
`17:37.37`	`Voliand`	`or the second alternative...`
`17:37.43`	`Voliand`	`you already paid for a license`
`17:37.46`	`Scrosson`	`i didnt by this PC, its my dads one that i got`
`17:37.52`	`Scrosson`	`i should be able to phone microsoft`
`17:38.24`	`Scrosson`	`i cant figure how to run it jax, unless i paste it in terminal or.... save it in a txt document?`
`17:39.09`	`Maelos`	`I suspect this gets asked here a few times a day -- is there a distinct place addons which are functioning correctly in wotlk are being made available?`
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`17:39.23`	`Maelos`	`Playing without UI mods is painful`
`17:39.31`	`Voliand`	`Maelos: huh?`
`17:39.40`	`Voliand`	`you mean note/waypoint addon?`
`17:39.51`	`jaxdahl2`	`if i were forced to play wow with one and only one addon`
`17:39.54`	`jaxdahl2`	`it would be baggins`
`17:39.56`	`Maelos`	`No, I mean where can I get addons confirmed-to-work with wotlk?`
`17:39.59`	`ulic`	`no he just wants to know where he can find wolk addons`
`17:40.12`	`ulic`	`Maelos: I know wowi has a section for ones that are known to work`
`17:40.12`	`jaxdahl2`	`Maelos: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202532031&sid=2000`
`17:40.17`	`Maelos`	`My list is longer`
`17:40.20`	`Trell_`	`jaxdahl2: mine would be Pitbull`
`17:40.31`	`Maelos`	`jaxdahl: Ahh excellent thanks.`
`17:40.37`	`Scrosson`	`jaxdahl2 how do i use that python script?`
`17:40.39`	`Voliand`	`I got like 10 I can't live without`
`17:40.48`	`jaxdahl2`	`Scrosson: man python`
`17:40.50`	`the-golem`	`How can you confirm an addon for something that isnt out yet?`
`17:40.55`	`Voliand`	`pitbull, combuctor, bt, chincilla etc`
`17:41.00`	`jaxdahl2`	`Scrosson: man vi`
`17:41.02`	`jaxdahl2`	`or man emacs`
`17:41.09`	`Scrosson`	`vi?`
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`17:41.18`	`jaxdahl2`	`it's an unix editor`
`17:41.20`	`ulic`	`the-golem: they mean wotlk beta server`
`17:41.32`	`jaxdahl2`	`emacs is an unix operating system`
`17:42.02`	`the-golem`	`lolwut`
`17:42.08`	`the-golem`	`emacs is a text editor`
`17:43.19`	`Megalon`	`emacs is everything, alpha and omega!`
`17:43.29`	`the-golem`	`lawdy`
`17:43.56`	`Scrosson`	`well thanks any way but im lost xD`
`17:44.23`	`Obe_work`	`lol`
`17:44.24`	`Obe_work`	`emacs`
`17:44.28`	`Obe_work`	`i'm getting into vim`
`17:44.34`	`Obe_work`	`have been using it at work for 2 months now`
`17:46.31`	`jaxdahl2`	`you swap ESC and caps lock yet?`
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`17:47.51`	`Scrosson`	`5hour wait :(`
`17:48.28`	`Obe_work`	`no, but i have f1 mapped to esc >.<`
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`17:48.33`	`Obe_work`	`as well as esc`
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`17:51.35`	`Obe_work`	`lol, it took me like 8 hours last night do download the beta client`
`17:51.43`	`Obe_work`	`then like 30 minutes this morning getting patches for it`
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`17:58.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Antiarc, any idea what's so different with fontstring syntax in LK/WoW 3.0?`
`17:58.57`	`Antiarc`	`SetNormalFontObject rather than SetTextFontObject`
`17:59.05`	`Antiarc`	`Other than that, don't think anything's changed.`
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`18:02.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`hrm.`
`18:02.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I apparently don't understand Tekticles well enough to fix it then, as I don't see SetTextFontObject anywhere.`
`18:03.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Just SetFont with parameters.`
`18:04.32`	`Antiarc`	`What error is it throwing?`
`18:04.38`	`Antiarc`	`I didn't have any problem with SetFont`
`18:05.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I don't seem to be having any saved Bugsack svs, so, gimme a few to finish my live auction scan, and then I'll log back on beta and c/p the errors.`
`18:07.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ace.pasty.com? or pastey? and .com or .org?`
`18:08.48`	`Aii`	`ace.pastey.net`
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`18:11.46`	`Stanzilla`	`Antiarc: right click on chat tabs doesnt work in the beta if chatter is enabled`
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`18:19.08`	`selckin`	`anyone know any mirrors for 3.0.1 ?`
`18:32.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Antiarc: http://ace.pastey.net/93157`
`18:33.37`	`Antiarc`	`ZealotOnAStick: Likely explaination is that one of the objects he was setting the font for no longer exists.`
`18:33.45`	`Antiarc`	`Rather than SetFont itself having issues`
`18:34.06`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`so, comment out things until I find it?`
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`18:34.43`	`Antiarc`	`Well`
`18:34.46`	`Antiarc`	`Whatever is on line 77`
`18:34.49`	`Antiarc`	`Is your culprit`
`18:35.13`	`jaxdahl2`	`selckin, 3.0.1 does not exist`
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`18:36.37`	`Obe_work`	`Antiarc: how do you know that?`
`18:36.44`	`Bruners`	`will there be rolling restarst or extended mt today ?`
`18:36.45`	`Antiarc`	`Because of the stack trace`
`18:36.46`	`selckin`	`jaxdahl2: WotLK-Beta-3.0.1-enGB-downloader mirror then`
`18:37.01`	`Antiarc`	`[2008/08/05 13:29:20-25-x2]: tekticles-2.4.2.4\tekticles.lua:3: attempt to index local 'obj' (a nil value) < -- Where the error was thrown from`
`18:37.01`	`Obe_work`	`lol ok`
`18:37.16`	`Antiarc`	`tekticles-2.4.2.4\tekticles.lua:77: in function <Interface\AddOns\tekticles\tekticles.lua:13>Â <-- where the function that threw the error was called from`
`18:37.24`	`Antiarc`	`Tada, line 77 :D`
`18:37.45`	`Stanzilla`	`pokes Antiarc`
`18:37.53`	`Antiarc`	`I saw the chatter thing <_<`
`18:37.56`	`Antiarc`	`I need to log in`
`18:37.58`	`Antiarc`	`And fix it`
`18:38.01`	`Antiarc`	`But I'm stupid busy`
`18:38.05`	`Stanzilla`	`^^`
`18:38.10`	`Stanzilla`	`no problem <3`
`18:38.14`	`Antiarc`	`Going to New York Thursday to see a nice man about some business stuff`
`18:38.23`	`Antiarc`	`So I need to focus on that til then :D`
`18:38.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Antiarc: I already commented out 77.`
`18:38.43`	`Antiarc`	`There may be more than one object that went missing`
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`18:53.16`	`Zyndrome`	`ffffffffff`
`18:53.30`	`Zyndrome`	`oh well , new guild record , 34% on Muru phase 2 :C`
`18:55.48`	`Obe_work`	`oooh grats!`
`18:55.51`	`Obe_work`	`you're almost there`
`18:56.02`	`Obe_work`	`you using the 3 group strat for p2?`
`18:56.08`	`Obe_work`	`with entropius in the middle?`
`18:56.29`	`Zyndrome`	`no idea`
`18:56.32`	`Zyndrome`	`it's chaos :D`
`18:56.40`	`Zyndrome`	`SHIIIT PHASE 2 AAAAAAAAAAAAH`
`18:56.44`	`Zyndrome`	`run around like headless chickens`
`18:56.45`	`Obe_work`	`ehhh, should maybe work on that lol`
`18:57.17`	`Zyndrome`	`I only care about my targets healthbar, so meh :p`
`18:57.55`	`Obe_work`	`what healer are you?`
`19:01.13`	`Primer`	`Anyone else find that arenas are a bit unbalanced this season?`
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`19:02.28`	`Obe_work`	`Its frustrating fighting full s3 teams in the 1600 bracket for whichever team size`
`19:02.34`	`Primer`	`exactly`
`19:02.48`	`Primer`	`I'm wondering why so many well geared people are still in the lower brackets`
`19:03.08`	`Primer`	`Are they lazy? Are they carrying a friend to 1650 every week?`
`19:03.38`	`Gngsk`	`are they knobs who bought characters from markee dragon and have no skill?`
`19:03.47`	`Zyndrome`	`Obe_work , I am a doucebag holy pala`
`19:04.03`	`Primer`	`I know for a fact there are extremely well geared people that used to be in very highly rated teams selling rating still`
`19:04.21`	`Zyndrome`	`and last try went so well and DARKFIENDKABOOM`
`19:04.28`	`Gngsk`	`primer, for gold?`
`19:04.32`	`Primer`	`instead of "selling 800 arena points for 400 gold", it's "Carrying you to 1800 for 3000 gold"`
`19:04.46`	`Primer`	`yes`
`19:04.52`	`Primer`	`they simply start a new team`
`19:04.57`	`Gngsk`	`farming 3000g seems a lot less frustrating than it does carrying some fool to 1800`
`19:04.58`	`Aii`	`mhm`
`19:05.11`	`Primer`	`depends on how good they are`
`19:05.42`	`Primer`	`I mean, imagine if they're decently geared, and can follow instructions`
`19:05.42`	`Gngsk`	`i guess, if you're the right class you can carry any of the other right class to 1800`
`19:05.59`	`Primer`	`that's all it'd take`
`19:06.08`	`Gngsk`	`but i dunno, i guess you'd just really have to like pvp and really hate doing dailies`
`19:06.14`	`Gngsk`	`cause you can make 3kg in a week so easily`
`19:06.25`	`Primer`	`but that's a week of steady grinding`
`19:06.33`	`Primer`	`doing 25 dailies a day`
`19:06.49`	`Primer`	`how many wins does it take to get to 1800?`
`19:07.17`	`Gngsk`	`dunno, guess it depends on who you play`
`19:07.19`	`Primer`	`let's average it to 15 points per game`
`19:07.23`	`Primer`	`win and loss`
`19:07.53`	`Primer`	`300 / 15 = 20`
`19:08.17`	`Primer`	`30 games...20 wins, 10 losses`
`19:08.20`	`Primer`	`totally doable`
`19:08.27`	`Primer`	`could be done in one night`
`19:08.41`	`Primer`	`in 3's`
`19:08.44`	`Gngsk`	`aight, i'll give you that`
`19:08.48`	`Primer`	`you and your partner split 1500g`
`19:09.15`	`Primer`	`that's exactly what this person is doing`
`19:09.48`	`Primer`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Jamella`
`19:09.50`	`Primer`	`said person`
`19:09.52`	`Gngsk`	`part of the reason i don't like arena`
`19:10.04`	`Gngsk`	`system is too easy to manipulate`
`19:10.24`	`Primer`	`S4 mace`
`19:10.43`	`Obe_work`	`you'd have to play 40 games`
`19:10.51`	`Obe_work`	`if you won 30 and lost 10`
`19:11.00`	`Obe_work`	`to get your 300 point`
`19:11.01`	`Obe_work`	`s`
`19:11.04`	`Primer`	`yeah`
`19:11.12`	`Primer`	`so 40 games`
`19:11.16`	`Primer`	`big deal`
`19:11.23`	`Primer`	`unless the other person is totally retarded`
`19:11.29`	`Primer`	`they could _easily_ do that in one night`
`19:12.07`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: there's a phase2 strategy? :P we've gotten only to phase 1 25%`
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`19:13.09`	`Obe_work`	`the way my guilds done it (albeit we've only killed him 3 times) is have a triangle setup for p2`
`19:13.15`	`Obe_work`	`and let the tanks and melee dance in the middle`
`19:13.38`	`Obe_work`	`so if one group gets gravity balled, you still have 2 groups + melee on entropius`
`19:13.39`	`Neo\|Home`	`makes sense I guess`
`19:14.01`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically you don't remove gravity ball, but you control it`
`19:14.07`	`Obe_work`	`yeah`
`19:14.23`	`Obe_work`	`and we force our shadowpriests and enh shaman to do the dispelling`
`19:14.23`	`jaxdahl2`	`gravity ball? is that like the mage boss in nexus?`
`19:14.33`	`selckin`	`m'uru`
`19:14.34`	`Neo\|Home`	`jaxdahl2: think Zul'jin`
`19:14.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`but just a ball instead of a tornado`
`19:14.44`	`jaxdahl2`	`k`
`19:14.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`it knocks you around`
`19:14.50`	`Obe_work`	`eah`
`19:14.52`	`Obe_work`	`yeah`
`19:15.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`I hate knockaround effects`
`19:15.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`so annoying`
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`19:18.00`	`Neo\|Home`	`wait, they changed the druid armor factor so they no longer have a large armor lead?`
`19:18.12`	`Gngsk`	`yah`
`19:18.24`	`Gngsk`	`they're trying to consolidate stats so they don't have to make so many different gear sets`
`19:18.33`	`selckin`	`crushing doesn't exist anymore so its fine`
`19:18.39`	`selckin`	`the armor lead was to mitigate crushes`
`19:18.50`	`ReAn`	`aw`
`19:18.56`	`ReAn`	`i liked having retarded armour`
`19:18.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`selckin: not really, it was theer to make up for lack of parry/shield block`
`19:19.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`and it seems the change is more a gearing change - i.e lack of leather armor pieces with bonus armor`
`19:19.20`	`selckin`	`Neo\|Home: and shield block is to mitagate crushing`
`19:19.41`	`selckin`	`Neo\|Home: the change is for gear, but its fine because its no longer needed. so ot a huge nerf/problem.`
`19:19.50`	`selckin`	`read/think/getaclue`
`19:20.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`selckin: shield block mitigates damage too`
`19:20.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`so that's not exactly true`
`19:20.41`	`Neya`	`as it was said, shield block is also getting changed.`
`19:20.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`I am aware`
`19:20.55`	`selckin`	`400 less dmg on 8k, or 4k less from crush -> normal, which one shall we focus on.`
`19:21.13`	`Neo\|Home`	`selckin: since most hits are normal, how about normal?`
`19:21.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`how less does a druid get from a 8k hit with their armor vs a warrior?`
`19:25.40`	`Neya`	`you can count with the druid on 70%+ dmg reduction, the warrior I'm not sure, but about 60-70% reduction?`
`19:26.36`	`ReAn`	`so now where are druids? it seems they've completely killed thier usefullness in tanking, I.e. tanking hard-hitting bosses where crushings weren't an issue`
`19:27.21`	`Neya`	`I'm not worried about druids role as tanks, reaching 70% dmgreduction was too easy anyway`
`19:27.54`	`ReAn`	`yea`
`19:28.01`	`ReAn`	`but that alone didn't help too much`
`19:28.08`	`ReAn`	`it only put us 20% or so ahead of warriors`
`19:28.26`	`ReAn`	`with the lack of parry we take more spike damage till we can get our dodge up higher`
`19:29.01`	`Neya`	`I'd rather have to work a little to reach that cap, having no upgrades in terms of armor migitation from t5 and up was just wrong. where warriors/paladins continued to become better at it.`
`19:30.09`	`Vonhinten`	`So, is it true there's 2 talent specs now and you can switch between them on the fly (out of combat) ?`
`19:30.38`	`Neya`	`not that I know of.`
`19:31.18`	`nevcairiel`	`its not true`
`19:31.20`	`nevcairiel`	`yet anyway`
`19:31.28`	`nevcairiel`	`they talked about something like that`
`19:31.31`	`nevcairiel`	`details unknown`
`19:35.12`	`ReAn`	`im still concerned about where that leaves druids in terms of thier role in tanking, it seems like now it's even easier for wars/pally's to get geared up for tanking which just leaves us behind`
`19:36.58`	`Neya`	`at T6 and up warriors are at the same level of migitation from armor and shield as druids are from armor.`
`19:37.11`	`Chompers`	`on kalecgos, when you're downstairs do you stand infront or behind the demon?`
`19:37.24`	`Chompers`	`told different things by people`
`19:37.31`	`selckin`	`and they want to make warriors better aoe tanks`
`19:37.39`	`selckin`	`so no need for druids/pals!`
`19:38.00`	`Obe_work`	`Chompers: My guild stands on Kalecgos`
`19:38.04`	`selckin`	`Chompers: behind for melee, rend stands wherever`
`19:38.06`	`Obe_work`	`in the portal realm`
`19:39.03`	`Neya`	`I'd be happy to work better together with our warriors on aoetanking, and if they are becoming more our equals and we their equals on more areas it means that I can maybe stop being in bearform the entire raid...`
`19:39.33`	`Neya`	`tanking the big orcthingys in BT in catform hurts!`
`19:40.01`	`Obe_work`	`i think what they're trying to achieve is that dk/wars/druids/pallys all can tank things equally`
`19:40.09`	`ckknight`	`assert i.like?(Butt::BIG) && !i.can_lie?`
`19:40.09`	`ckknight`	`assert !Brother.find(:other).any?(&:can_deny?)`
`19:40.41`	`Obe_work`	`but dk and wars would be better magic tanks, druids physical tanks, and paladins aoe tanks`
`19:40.44`	`Obe_work`	`but only slightly`
`19:40.44`	`Aeyan`	`ckknight: I hate you.`
`19:40.48`	`Obe_work`	`which is going to be frickin tough`
`19:40.57`	`ckknight`	`Aeyan: why's that?`
`19:41.13`	`Aeyan`	`That did not need to be inserted into my brain this afternoon =P`
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`19:43.38`	`Chompers`	`the two talent spec idea would be awesome, players become tanks when necessary`
`19:43.58`	`Chompers`	`i really hope it gets implemented`
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`19:46.10`	`nevcairiel`	`I hope they implement gear switches with that too`
`19:46.23`	`nevcairiel`	`like they talked about a year ago`
`19:46.31`	`Aiiane`	`gear switches?`
`19:46.39`	`nevcairiel`	`like Diablo2`
`19:46.45`	`nevcairiel`	`one alternate set`
`19:46.47`	`nevcairiel`	`to switch to`
`19:47.35`	`_rane`	`diablo2 only has weapon switch`
`19:47.40`	`Neya`	`poor inventory if one have to start carrying a healinggear too (on top of tank, dps and resistance)...`
`19:47.46`	`nevcairiel`	`you get what i mean :P`
`19:47.46`	`_rane`	`introduced in the expansion`
`19:47.54`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: I would love to be able to easily switch between holy and prot on my pally`
`19:48.03`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: based on what I'd need to do`
`19:48.14`	`ckknight`	`or whether I'm soloing or grouping`
`19:48.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`what about training spells?`
`19:48.29`	`Neya`	`yea, the switching in itself is a nice idea.`
`19:48.41`	`Neya`	`they are autotrained for you since, 2.3 or 2.4?`
`19:48.53`	`Josh_Borke`	`are tehy? i haven't played in a while :-D`
`19:48.56`	`Aiiane`	`yeah`
`19:49.05`	`Aiiane`	`as long as you've learned them at least once since they added autotraining`
`19:49.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`ok, carry on :-D`
`19:49.11`	`nevcairiel`	`all spells you knew at least once since 2.4 are auto-trained when you respec it`
`19:49.17`	`Aiiane`	`when you gain the ability to know them via talents, they'll automatically be learned`
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`19:54.21`	`Aeyan`	`Umm, damn`
`19:54.33`	`Aeyan`	`The new recruit a friend benefits are kind of ridiculous`
`19:55.04`	`Xuerian`	`o_0?`
`19:55.50`	`Aeyan`	`1. Characters on both accounts can summon each other once per hour.`
`19:55.51`	`Aeyan`	`2. While adventuring with your linked friend/family member, you will each gain triple experience and honor.`
`19:55.55`	`Aeyan`	`3. For every two levels the new player earns, the new player can grant one free level-up to a lower-level character played by the veteran player.`
`19:56.09`	`Aeyan`	`Plus a zevra mount for the invitee`
`19:56.14`	`Aeyan`	`Err, inviter`
`19:56.32`	`nevcairiel`	`can has bonus for an existing friend?`
`19:56.34`	`Aeyan`	`They get those bonuses for 90 days`
`19:57.05`	`Diao`	`not retroactive?`
`19:57.05`	`dafire_`	`guess it's just a recruitment thing to sell more accounts :9`
`19:57.11`	`Diao`	`cause i recruited like 5 people :(`
`19:57.14`	`Aeyan`	`No, not retroactive`
`19:57.16`	`Aeyan`	`Hehe`
`19:57.19`	`Diao`	`lame`
`19:57.30`	`Aeyan`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/raf-splash.htm`
`19:57.31`	`dafire_`	`well.. guess thats fine for multiboxers and china farmers :)`
`19:57.36`	`Aeyan`	`There's the splash and info link, if you want it`
`19:57.59`	`Diao`	`triple xp..`
`19:58.09`	`Diao`	`that's ridiculous`
`19:58.13`	`Diao`	`as if it weren't easy enough to level`
`19:58.32`	`nevcairiel`	`i gotta recruit myself a second account =P`
`20:00.38`	`sylvanaar`	`i scroll of resurrectioned myself`
`20:00.50`	`Aeyan`	`Hehe`
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`20:03.34`	`Xuerian`	`Good lord, that's ridiculous`
`20:03.52`	`NivFreak`	`is it now`
`20:04.06`	`Xuerian`	`Well... I would rather they just impliment sidekicking`
`20:04.21`	`Xuerian`	`or mentoring`
`20:04.29`	`Chompers`	`great ideas wasted on a shitty recruiting gimmic`
`20:04.31`	`NivFreak`	`what'd I miss?`
`20:04.43`	`Chompers`	`if it were included in the game for alts or something`
`20:04.47`	`Chompers`	`much better`
`20:04.51`	`Xuerian`	`NivFreak: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/raf-splash.htm`
`20:05.34`	`Neo\|Home`	`man that's so good I would almost consider canceling my second account, buying an ew one and recruiting myself for WotLK`
`20:05.46`	`Cheads`	`well, blizzard think they will gain more money with such a program`
`20:06.06`	`Neo\|Home`	`I'd just level both my l70 chars at the same time with a huge benefit to XP`
`20:06.08`	`Chompers`	`no one wants to level an alt 1-80`
`20:06.18`	`Chompers`	`this needs to be for everyone, not just new players`
`20:06.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's cost me 55 bucks (char transfer + new account)`
`20:06.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`but damn`
`20:07.01`	`Shadowed`	`So wait`
`20:07.17`	`Shadowed`	`If I refer myself, I level an alt to 8 and start running instances, that alt gets triple XP?`
`20:07.17`	`Xuerian`	`Neo\|Home: Only problem is it's only 1-60`
`20:07.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`oh really?`
`20:07.25`	`Shadowed`	`Also, I my 70 can summon the alt to an instance?`
`20:07.25`	`Chompers`	`im just jaded from leveling a druid 1-20`
`20:07.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`well then it's not quite as good`
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`20:07.30`	`Chompers`	`man that was terrible`
`20:07.32`	`Xuerian`	`1-60 only`
`20:07.34`	`Xuerian`	`read the damn faq`
`20:07.44`	`Xuerian`	`Shadowed: No, characters have to be together`
`20:07.55`	`Shadowed`	`Together as in, level wise?`
`20:07.56`	`Neo\|Home`	`I was going to say I can dual box two accounts, and by the time I get to 80 the 2nd account had given 5 leevls to my new DK on the primary account`
`20:07.59`	`Diao`	`together as in grouped`
`20:08.01`	`Xuerian`	`together as in humping the same mob`
`20:08.09`	`Diao`	`and only the lower level character gets the bonus if both characters aren't the same level`
`20:08.12`	`Diao`	`if they are then both get it`
`20:08.15`	`Xuerian`	`Neo\|Home: You can only give levels to equal or lower characters`
`20:08.22`	`Diao`	`so you can recruit yourself, and then power yourself through stuff`
`20:08.27`	`Diao`	`and get triple xp`
`20:08.40`	`Diao`	`at least, from my understanding`
`20:08.43`	`Shadowed`	`Yea Xuerian, meant what Diao is talking about`
`20:08.48`	`fewyn`	`~lart Vulcanus`
`20:08.48`	`purl`	`takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Vulcanus's direction, hitting Vulcanus and sending Vulcanus flying into the closet`
`20:09.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: I see nothing mentioning leve 60 except for summoning/granting levels`
`20:09.12`	`Shadowed`	`Triple XP when grinding an alt through an instance is pretty nice if it applies to that`
`20:09.19`	`Shadowed`	`Don't care about granting levels`
`20:09.39`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically`
`20:09.51`	`Xuerian`	`Eh, triple xp might work to the 90 days`
`20:10.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`1) Cancel hunter account, 2) buy new account as a recruit, 3) transfer hunter, 4) level hunter + warlock to 80 (with triple xp, no summoni), 4) grant 5 levels to new DK in the process`
`20:10.11`	`Shadowed`	`90 days would be enough for 1-60 of powering yourself I bet`
`20:10.24`	`Neo\|Home`	`so DK now is level 60, and I have two level 80 mobs in less time than one level 80...`
`20:10.24`	`Shadowed`	`1-60 is the hard part anyway`
`20:10.26`	`Diao`	`uh`
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`20:10.42`	`Diao`	`1-60 you can do currently without rested in ~2 days /played by powering through instances`
`20:10.53`	`Xuerian`	`or 4 by questing`
`20:10.53`	`dafire_`	`if you group with a high level player you dont get much xp trippeled :)`
`20:10.55`	`Diao`	`so you could do it in under a day..`
`20:10.58`	`Diao`	`1-60`
`20:11.01`	`Diao`	`ridiculous.`
`20:11.07`	`dafire_`	`guess fastest is level 2 chars with that`
`20:11.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`can you see something wrong with my statement?`
`20:11.20`	`Shadowed`	`They fixed that Diao`
`20:11.24`	`Shadowed`	`Unless theres a new way to do it?`
`20:11.34`	`Diao`	`my hunter is level 44 at 1 day 3 hours played`
`20:11.37`	`Neo\|Home`	`it'd make the dKP reach outlands around level 61-62 maybe and no need to do EPL or any crap like that`
`20:11.40`	`Diao`	`get 4 people of same level`
`20:11.42`	`Diao`	`+ 1 70`
`20:11.43`	`Shadowed`	`Who are you grinding it with`
`20:11.44`	`Diao`	`to run you through instances`
`20:11.49`	`Shadowed`	`class`
`20:11.49`	`Diao`	`full group bonus xp`
`20:11.55`	`Diao`	`holy paladin`
`20:12.04`	`Diao`	`just mobbed full instance + consecrate`
`20:12.16`	`Xuerian`	`Not talking about the old seed trick`
`20:12.39`	`Diao`	`not using the "leave party and kill" then zone out thing`
`20:12.49`	`Shadowed`	`overpowered Paladins, need Hurricane off CD`
`20:12.52`	`Diao`	`lol`
`20:12.57`	`Diao`	`need to switch classes soon though`
`20:13.03`	`Diao`	`warrior will be faster at 50+ instances`
`20:13.35`	`Shadowed`	`I wonder if you can transfer a character to another account that you refered, get it the mount and transfer it back after the cooldown`
`20:14.00`	`Diao`	`lol`
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`20:20.07`	`Neo\|Home`	`man this is too benefitial to ignore I think`
`20:20.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`I might have to spend $55 to do this unless it doesn't work on transferred characters`
`20:20.35`	`nevcairiel`	`for the zevra mount?`
`20:20.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`for leveling speed`
`20:20.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`I don't see that triple xp end at level 60`
`20:21.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`if it doesn't the 70-80 leveling on two accounts while granting 5 free levels to a new DK is just insane`
`20:21.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically in less time than a single char to 80 you get two l80 chars and a l60 DK that probably will be fully rested`
`20:22.23`	`nevcairiel`	`I would rather enjoy the full northrend scene and quests`
`20:22.28`	`nevcairiel`	`then to rush throush the levels`
`20:22.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`ah`
`20:22.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`but I'd do that on my DK :P`
`20:23.14`	`nevcairiel`	`They should really block it for chars on the same name`
`20:23.17`	`nevcairiel`	`because thats stupid`
`20:23.28`	`Neo\|Home`	`can change the first name just fine`
`20:23.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`and still transfer`
`20:23.35`	`nevcairiel`	`They want new players to get into the endgame sooner, and enjoy the game more`
`20:23.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`understood`
`20:23.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's made to encourage you (veteran) to level a new character with a new player`
`20:24.03`	`Obe_work`	`If they want to fast forward through old content then they should just remove it`
`20:24.23`	`nevcairiel`	`removing old content would be teh suck`
`20:24.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`but unless there is a level limit that's an insane leveling bost for wotlk for dual account players`
`20:24.30`	`nevcairiel`	`its a crucial part of the game`
`20:24.44`	`nevcairiel`	`if i were blizzard, i would only active it on new chars`
`20:24.47`	`nevcairiel`	`not transfers`
`20:24.59`	`nevcairiel`	`and you cant get a lvl 10 to tag along in northrend for faster leveling`
`20:25.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`you can't do that`
`20:25.16`	`Neo\|Home`	`only the lower level character will get triple xp`
`20:25.18`	`Shadowed`	`nevcairiel: Maybe they should make the old content not suck :p`
`20:25.21`	`Neo\|Home`	`if there is a lower level one`
`20:25.30`	`nevcairiel`	`Shadowed: it doesnt suck`
`20:25.30`	`Obe_work`	`Well, they're making it super easy to level from 1-60`
`20:25.32`	`Shadowed`	`Personally, after leveling about 5 60s or something`
`20:25.36`	`Shadowed`	`I don't give a damn about 1-60`
`20:25.38`	`Obe_work`	`why not just let you make level 55 toons`
`20:25.51`	`Shadowed`	`Anything I can do to speed it up makes me happy`
`20:25.56`	`nevcairiel`	`Shadowed: sure its boring if you've done it 5 times, but if you do it the first time, its still great content`
`20:26.01`	`Obe_work`	`you're still going to have to grind professions and what not`
`20:26.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: imp if you got a 70 they should let you`
`20:26.18`	`Diao`	`it makes sense for casual players`
`20:26.19`	`Neo\|Home`	`nevcairiel: the main issue they should fix, regardless, is make quest rewards and random drops less bad`
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`20:26.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`all they need to do to improve it by a lot is to add outlands type "of the XXX" drops`
`20:26.31`	`Shadowed`	`Weren't you just arguing that it should be blocked for people with the same name? :p`
`20:26.32`	`Diao`	`but most people can't just pick up a class and play it at a level where you can raid/arena successfully`
`20:26.32`	`Obe_work`	`but if you're starting a new account then you'll have to level it from 1-70[80]`
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`20:26.53`	`Ackis`	`does the wotlk ace3 work on live?`
`20:26.57`	`nevcairiel`	`Shadowed: your point being?`
`20:26.59`	`nevcairiel`	`Ackis: no`
`20:27.07`	`Obe_work`	`going from 55-70 [80] should give you enough time to learn your class`
`20:27.24`	`Obe_work`	`they're hoping that is the case for dk's`
`20:27.30`	`Ackis`	`nevcairiel: thanks, that's what I thought... so BT4 won't work on live anymore? lol`
`20:27.30`	`nevcairiel`	`Alot of people going from 1-70 dont know their class`
`20:27.31`	`Shadowed`	`That blocking it for the people of the same name is pointless, chances are if you're abusing this you've leveled enough to hate it/don't need to see anything new`
`20:27.38`	`bcoca`	`optimist!`
`20:27.52`	`bcoca`	`nevcairiel: exactly`
`20:27.54`	`nevcairiel`	`Shadowed: exactly, you are abusing it, and that should be blocked`
`20:28.10`	`Shadowed`	`I'll refer to what I just said :p`
`20:28.29`	`nevcairiel`	`look up the definition of abuse =P`
`20:28.43`	`Ackis`	`abused your mom all night long!`
`20:28.47`	`Shadowed`	`Notice the "Anything I can do to speed it up makes me happy" :p`
`20:28.54`	`Aii`	`obviously, they should just make it so you can swap class at will.`
`20:29.05`	`nevcairiel`	`its not a feature to make you or any old player happy`
`20:29.05`	`Shadowed`	`Thats not really what I'm saying`
`20:29.29`	`Obe_work`	`I'm trying to poach people's accounts that have gone inactive that have 70s on them`
`20:29.33`	`nevcairiel`	`its a feature to help new players to advance into endgame without completly skipping the progress`
`20:29.36`	`Shadowed`	`A lot of the old world leveling content sucks, 60-70 isn't bad`
`20:29.54`	`Obe_work`	`i'd rather buy some scrubs level 70 who is in greens and blues for $50 then level a toon from 1-70`
`20:29.58`	`Shadowed`	`some of the patches to fix that have helped a little, but it's still a big waste of time reseeing old content`
`20:29.58`	`nevcairiel`	`1-60 used to suck because it was too slow`
`20:30.02`	`nevcairiel`	`its actually pretty fast now`
`20:30.06`	`nevcairiel`	`and works pretty well`
`20:30.10`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`20:30.19`	`Obe_work`	`levelling 60-70 as a prot paladin is pretty painful`
`20:30.21`	`Daedals`	`ye its not so bad`
`20:30.31`	`Shadowed`	`At least you don't have to do every single zone now`
`20:30.38`	`Shadowed`	`which is a nice change`
`20:31.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`nevcairiel: still think we should see outlands "of the XXX" gear`
`20:31.28`	`Obe_work`	`in outland or azeroth?`
`20:31.34`	`Neo\|Home`	`not to mention improved stamina`
`20:31.47`	`Obe_work`	`Neo\|Home: isn't there of the XXX in azeroth?`
`20:31.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`part of what makes azeroth so "blah" is the lack of any meaningful gear for at least 40 levels`
`20:31.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: "of the wolf", "of spirit"...`
`20:32.01`	`nevcairiel`	`You dont need the gear really`
`20:32.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`none of the outlands versions`
`20:32.08`	`Neo\|Home`	`nevcairiel: need no but it makes it more fun`
`20:32.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`fact that you get to level 60 still wearing pieces you got 10-20 levels ago just kind of suck`
`20:32.35`	`Obe_work`	`i did like how they re-itemised dungeon drops in azeroth`
`20:32.37`	`Neo\|Home`	`and not because of lack of drops but because most dropds suck and most quest rewards suck`
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`20:32.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: sure.. if anyone actually RAN dungeons`
`20:32.49`	`Obe_work`	`it actually makes getting runned through them viable`
`20:32.59`	`Obe_work`	`runned = ran`
`20:33.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`it was misguided in a sense since I'd say a majority don't really run 5-mans while leveling`
`20:33.09`	`Xuerian`	`WTB Heroic Azeroth Instances`
`20:33.18`	`nevcairiel`	`if you have one veteran to invite you, chances are that he'll run you through the viable dungeons`
`20:33.18`	`Xuerian`	`srsly :(`
`20:33.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`much rather see every other gear being fixed over dungeon gear`
`20:33.40`	`Obe_work`	`upgradable dungeon gear?`
`20:33.46`	`Obe_work`	`i.e. gear gains levels?`
`20:33.46`	`Diao`	`i do all the 5 mans on my alts when i level`
`20:33.57`	`Xuerian`	`I never did any dungeons till 60 on my lock`
`20:34.01`	`Cyrez`	`Okay, this is really strange... The CIA bot that's supposed to be in here won't connect, but the one in #wowace-cia is running fine. I tried disabling and re-enabling the bot, but nothing. ._.`
`20:34.01`	`Diao`	`they're faster xp than questin`
`20:34.05`	`Xuerian`	`Granted, low-pop server`
`20:34.13`	`Shadowed`	`Assuming you have a good group Diao`
`20:34.14`	`Kuosi`	`this is simply amazing again`
`20:34.16`	`Shadowed`	`Which is rare :p`
`20:34.19`	`Zyndrome`	`chews up foam`
`20:34.19`	`Diao`	`not really`
`20:34.19`	`Ackis`	`Cyrez: it's after sarah conner`
`20:34.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Cyrez: its probably not identified`
`20:34.22`	`Kuosi`	`how long does it take blizz to fix the arena servers :(`
`20:34.24`	`Diao`	`i've never had trouble with groups pre-60`
`20:34.30`	`Shadowed`	`Rare for my server apparently then`
`20:34.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: my first dungeon, ever, on my hunter was when I did Zul'jin`
`20:34.37`	`Kuosi`	`wont be able to get any points from this week at this rate`
`20:34.44`	`*** mode/#wowace [-r] by nevcairiel`
`20:34.45`	`Obe_work`	`i am excited about tanking as a prot paladin.. i did ramps and bf this weekend`
`20:34.52`	`Kuosi`	`pretty nice considering would have gotten roughly 1100 if could actually play..`
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`20:35.05`	`Obe_work`	`i didn't really have the gear for it but for the most part i lived when our healer wasn't afk`
`20:35.09`	`Voliand`	`odd my auth wasn't quick enough to happen before joining`
`20:35.14`	`Diao`	`mine wasn't either`
`20:35.19`	`Xuerian`	`Neo\|Home: Your first instance on your hunter was ZA? you bastard`
`20:35.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`Diao: a majority of 5-mans with "pugs' pre-60 are in my experience slow and painful`
`20:35.21`	`Diao`	`nickserv is slow`
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`20:35.34`	`Diao`	`strange.. everytime i do them they're smooth and easy`
`20:35.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: yep!`
`20:35.39`	`*** mode/#wowace [+r] by nevcairiel`
`20:35.42`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v CIA-55] by nevcairiel`
`20:35.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Ilun`
`20:35.50`	`Diao`	`1 run, complete all quests`
`20:35.55`	`Diao`	`good xp and rewards`
`20:35.56`	`Neo\|Home`	`I was in a timed bear run last night`
`20:35.57`	`Xuerian`	`I'm with neo on the bad runs`
`20:36.25`	`Voliand`	`harder or us tanks, we need to know the encounters when almost no one else does`
`20:36.44`	`Xuerian`	`neo`
`20:36.46`	`Xuerian`	`i hate you`
`20:36.59`	`Xuerian`	`just want you to know that`
`20:36.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`got bad mojo on my 2nd run, faceguard on my first, and primal fury, chestguard and strikeblade on my 3rd`
`20:36.59`	`Diao`	`well yeah, tanks always need to know all the encounters`
`20:37.09`	`Voliand`	`just did a daily hc with a paladin that for some odd reason only started to heal me when I was sub 4k hp, I got 17k...`
`20:37.32`	`Voliand`	`had 800 hp on one boss fight for a split second, his mana was fine and no one else needed healing...`
`20:37.34`	`Neo\|Home`	`not the best wpons but better than what I had. shoulder was a huge upgrade even before gems (got gems in the mail to me though)`
`20:37.49`	`Xuerian`	`You have -greens-`
`20:37.55`	`Xuerian`	`You skipped a whole damn level of -epics-`
`20:38.02`	`Xuerian`	`asswhole. >_o`
`20:38.45`	`Diao`	`lol`
`20:38.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`:)_`
`20:38.45`	`Diao`	`Xuerian: you should see what we did in my guild`
`20:38.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`I did 750 dps on Zul'jin!`
`20:38.45`	`Xuerian`	`No I really shouldn't`
`20:38.45`	`Voliand`	`get merciless gear if you got blue/green items`
`20:38.45`	`Diao`	`we had no resto shaman at all so we brought a friend over to start playing`
`20:38.45`	`Xuerian`	`Voliand: Eh yeah that's what i did, staff/shoulders/chest so far`
`20:38.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`and I don't just have greens, I have some really crappy ass greens`
`20:38.48`	`Obe_work`	`i hate how melee classes can substitute epics for pvp gear`
`20:38.52`	`Diao`	`at level 65, we took her to tk and ssc`
`20:38.55`	`Diao`	`and geared her out in full t5`
`20:39.01`	`Diao`	`so she had it ready when she dinged 70`
`20:39.02`	`Voliand`	`Xuerian: I got near 2 full pvp sets and working on a third`
`20:39.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`Diao: we recruited a level 30 shaman once`
`20:39.21`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: that said I really do want to run Karazhan`
`20:39.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`just haven't gotten around to it`
`20:39.31`	`Xuerian`	`Low pop servers ftl`
`20:39.32`	`Obe_work`	`oh, btw, my guild's recruit holypriest and druids :D`
`20:39.34`	`Diao`	`and.. what? melee classes can't sub pvp in for epics to pve`
`20:39.35`	`Neo\|Home`	`I might try a hyjal run though`
`20:39.37`	`Obe_work`	`recruiting`
`20:39.39`	`Diao`	`unless they want to suck.`
`20:39.41`	`Obe_work`	`we're on kj!`
`20:39.50`	`Diao`	`except for weapons`
`20:39.52`	`Diao`	`weapons are amazing.`
`20:40.18`	`Voliand`	`well you get decent gear in pvp, better than blues/greens`
`20:40.44`	`Obe_work`	`Diao: well obviously s4 < t6 and other swp epics but if you had a rogue in full s4 they'd do pretty well in a t5/t6 instance`
`20:40.49`	`Voliand`	`some kara stuff is better but not much`
`20:40.51`	`Diao`	`actually, no`
`20:40.56`	`Diao`	`kara and badge gear would be much better`
`20:40.59`	`Diao`	`than full s4`
`20:41.04`	`Diao`	`lack of hit rapes`
`20:41.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: sad panda though. three zul'jin and no bow`
`20:41.11`	`Obe_work`	`ehh, that's true`
`20:41.11`	`Voliand`	`don't do drugs...`
`20:41.18`	`nevcairiel`	`Obe_work: some crazy pvp guild cleared BT in full S3 or something`
`20:41.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: and I have yet to run MgT. want to run that for the trinket if nothing else`
`20:41.41`	`Kuosi`	`like 5 pve geared ppl`
`20:41.44`	`Kuosi`	`20 in pvp gear`
`20:41.44`	`Voliand`	`there are gems for +hit if it concerns you that much`
`20:41.48`	`Kuosi`	`should be easy tho`
`20:41.52`	`Lyn_`	`awww... blood is so funny`
`20:41.56`	`Lyn_`	`:]`
`20:42.03`	`Obe_work`	`heh,`
`20:42.06`	`Kuosi`	`considering ppl with full pvp gear usually have the brains to move out of fire`
`20:42.12`	`Kuosi`	`= walkthrough bt`
`20:42.17`	`Obe_work`	`did you guys see DnT do SWP bosses with a priest in some blues and green`
`20:42.35`	`Obe_work`	`and other misc re-roll awesomeness`
`20:42.38`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`20:43.07`	`Voliand`	`guild on my server got the wargleave yesterday, no main rogues in the raid :>`
`20:43.13`	`Voliand`	`some random alt rogue got it`
`20:43.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: don't see why nto`
`20:43.27`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's not hard for a guild that has farmed an instance to run with one person less`
`20:43.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`so half a player is fine`
`20:43.32`	`cncfanatics`	`Voliand: rofl`
`20:44.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`we've had a rogue without one bewb (i.e glaive) for so long now`
`20:44.05`	`Obe_work`	`Neo\|Home well they weren't as geared to the teeth as they were as alliance`
`20:44.09`	`Voliand`	`mostly blue rogue with a wargleave =P`
`20:44.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`and we just got our 2nd mainhand glaive (no offhands)`
`20:44.28`	`Obe_work`	`our other full glaive set got sold and xfer'd the other day`
`20:44.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`nice`
`20:44.47`	`Neo\|Home`	`legendaries are bad`
`20:44.53`	`Obe_work`	`the guy was an officer, single parent of 2...`
`20:44.53`	`Neo\|Home`	`or rather low drop chance hard to get ones`
`20:45.01`	`Obe_work`	`we've been having a lot of drama recently and he got fed up and quit the game`
`20:45.05`	`Kuosi`	`still looking for my offhand`
`20:45.12`	`mykx`	`Obe_work, you can't expect all 25 of your guys to keep raiding forever hehe`
`20:45.13`	`Kuosi`	`could sell acc then for good bling`
`20:45.14`	`mykx`	`but that sucks`
`20:45.14`	`Voliand`	`would be nice if blizz added some legendary items for some other classes...`
`20:45.15`	`Kuosi`	`and leave this shit game`
`20:45.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`Voliand: one class per expansion just doesn't really cut it imho`
`20:45.37`	`Voliand`	`total of 0 in the game for a multitude of classes :(`
`20:45.51`	`Obe_work`	`well, bows for rogues/hunters/warriors`
`20:45.59`	`Obe_work`	`tf for paladins`
`20:46.03`	`Obe_work`	`err`
`20:46.06`	`Obe_work`	`eye i meant`
`20:46.14`	`Voliand`	`well druids will get one the expansion after wotlk, or the one after that when the emerald dream is added I'm guessing`
`20:46.24`	`Kuosi`	`acc with gladiator rogue with pve gear + glaives, glad war with s4 shoulders and mace, gladiator pala with s4 mace`
`20:46.31`	`Kuosi`	`should sell decent in ebay`
`20:46.34`	`Voliand`	`legendary bow for a melee class? the hunters would skin em`
`20:46.34`	`Neo\|Home`	`Voliand: no offense but you don't know what they plan to do next`
`20:46.40`	`Obe_work`	`$500?`
`20:46.43`	`Voliand`	`Neo\|Home: it makes sense`
`20:47.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: probably more than tha`
`20:47.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`heck ppl are paying $1000 for beta keys`
`20:47.24`	`Obe_work`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mannoroth&n=Laynd`
`20:47.31`	`Obe_work`	`they gave all their hunters the epic bow`
`20:47.37`	`Obe_work`	`they've had 4 drop so far (afaik)`
`20:47.50`	`Obe_work`	`i knew i should have sold my beta key`
`20:47.51`	`Obe_work`	`!`
`20:47.57`	`nevcairiel`	`$1000 for a freaking beta key? o.O`
`20:48.06`	`NivFreak`	`wtf?`
`20:48.25`	`bcoca`	`risk loosing your account`
`20:48.29`	`Voliand`	`if you're rich or desperate enough...`
`20:48.46`	`NivFreak`	`what are they ebaying for?`
`20:48.53`	`nevcairiel`	`wonder if some are on ebay`
`20:48.55`	`nevcairiel`	`checks`
`20:49.15`	`NivFreak`	`there are`
`20:49.18`	`Neo\|Home`	`this came from a post on curse.com`
`20:49.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`not sure what the source was`
`20:49.27`	`NivFreak`	`looks like the 200-300 dollar range`
`20:49.29`	`Obe_work`	`ehh`
`20:49.30`	`Obe_work`	`yeah`
`20:49.34`	`Obe_work`	`200-300 seems more sane`
`20:49.39`	`Voliand`	`that's peanuts`
`20:49.47`	`Voliand`	`the usd isn't worth it's own weight in paper atm`
`20:49.51`	`NivFreak`	`;P`
`20:50.21`	`nevcairiel`	`150 euro here, which is about $200-230`
`20:50.39`	`Voliand`	`that's a nice new videocard`
`20:50.49`	`nevcairiel`	`indeed`
`20:50.50`	`Obe_work`	`lol @ USD`
`20:50.53`	`nevcairiel`	`but i still wouldnt do it`
`20:50.55`	`Neo\|Home`	`not enough for me to consier selling for sure`
`20:50.57`	`ReAn`	`$200-300 for a beta key?`
`20:50.59`	`Voliand`	`me neither`
`20:51.01`	`Obe_work`	`it sucks for Canadian tourism`
`20:51.04`	`NivFreak`	`ramoz: on ebay`
`20:51.07`	`Neo\|Home`	`if I got two I'd give one to a friend`
`20:51.15`	`ReAn`	`it's prolly less time to figure out how to make a simple ui mod and get a guaranteed key`
`20:51.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`or get my 2nd account over`
`20:51.25`	`NivFreak`	`ReAn: that's what I'm planning on doing :)`
`20:51.27`	`nevcairiel`	`ReAn: heh, if peoply only knew`
`20:51.31`	`Obe_work`	`since it was my gf who got the beta key in the first place, i promised i'd give her one if i got it`
`20:51.38`	`NivFreak`	`my vacation starts next week`
`20:51.39`	`NivFreak`	`weee`
`20:51.50`	`nevcairiel`	`if i get a spare one, my gf will get it for sure too`
`20:52.02`	`ReAn`	`if i get a spare one`
`20:52.09`	`ReAn`	`i may just be $200-300 richer`
`20:52.10`	`NivFreak`	`beta is the only time I wish all my 70s were on the same account =/`
`20:52.11`	`ReAn`	`O.o`
`20:52.32`	`Voliand`	`can't you move em to one?`
`20:52.37`	`dafire_`	`when the beta keys from wowi / curse get send there will be 500 keys on ebay`
`20:52.52`	`Neo\|Home`	`dafire_: somehow I find that unlikely`
`20:53.07`	`dafire_`	`many authors requested one from cuse and wowi`
`20:53.33`	`Ackis`	`wowui also has it`
`20:53.41`	`Matrix110`	`yes and of course all the authors use different author names and different emails for every page`
`20:53.55`	`Matrix110`	`and got different mods on the pages`
`20:54.08`	`ReAn`	`you see, im modest, im just fine with WoWI, im not gonna try and sneak my way into a spare`
`20:54.10`	`Matrix110`	`so Blizzard wont notice it`
`20:54.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`dafire_: I'm guessing blizzard is able to run "unique" on emails`
`20:54.30`	`dafire_`	`Matrix110, I don't know on curse.. but on wowi you could give a different email address that don't need to be the one from the account :9`
`20:54.47`	`durcyn`	`eh, i didn't submit an email through wowi that had anything to do with an active wow account`
`20:54.48`	`dafire_`	`well ... who only has one email ?`
`20:55.01`	`nevcairiel`	`They never asked for your specific account information`
`20:55.08`	`nevcairiel`	`when handing out mails`
`20:55.14`	`nevcairiel`	`i mean you could have 2 accounts`
`20:55.15`	`Matrix110`	`dafire_ thats not the point the point is most authors use one email for curse/wowi/ etc.`
`20:55.21`	`nevcairiel`	`and have to test stuff on different classes`
`20:55.23`	`nevcairiel`	`who knows`
`20:55.32`	`Ackis`	`most authors are honest people :P`
`20:55.35`	`Neo\|Home`	`I didn't sign up more than once since I figured... that'd not be right`
`20:55.38`	`nevcairiel`	`that too`
`20:55.39`	`Ackis`	`except ackis`
`20:55.50`	`Matrix110`	`and the ones that dont might get 2 Accounts but the majority used the same email in both signups so they wont get a 2nd key`
`20:56.08`	`ReAn`	`nevcairiel: additionally you may be working on a mod that involves interaction between characters, 2 accounts may be neccesary to work on your mod`
`20:56.14`	`ReAn`	`i.e. multi-boxing mods, etc...`
`20:56.31`	`dafire_`	`but it's against the rules`
`20:56.47`	`ReAn`	`i suppose you could always win an opt-in`
`20:56.57`	`Neo\|Home`	`I did sign both my accounts up for opt-in obviousl`
`20:57.06`	`nevcairiel`	`everyone did that =P`
`20:57.11`	`ReAn`	`on both accounts, AND a ui-mod author one`
`20:57.13`	`dafire_`	`that's ok .)`
`20:57.27`	`nevcairiel`	`And obviously, blizzard knows that`
`20:57.33`	`nevcairiel`	`so they only send out so much keys`
`20:57.41`	`dafire_`	`wowinterface is a mod author only community now :=)`
`20:57.42`	`Matrix110`	`You wont get a "opt-in" key if you already got another one with the same email :P`
`20:57.42`	`nevcairiel`	`or queue them`
`20:58.24`	`Vonhinten`	`I didn't put in for an author beta key`
`20:58.45`	`dafire_`	`i know some who got two keys today... their random beta send algoritm is as good as the loot generator one`
`20:59.14`	`sb`	`dont talk about keys :/`
`20:59.24`	`jaxdahl2`	`i took my beta key to the locksmith`
`20:59.27`	`jaxdahl2`	`and had them duplicate it`
`20:59.34`	`ReAn`	`<sb> dont talk about keys :/ <--- agreed..... runs to check email`
`21:00.10`	`ramoz`	`NivFreak: what?`
`21:00.12`	`Dashkal`	`hammers on "Refresh" some more`
`21:00.15`	`nevcairiel`	`If i post the one i used, wonder how many people would try to use it again? =P`
`21:00.37`	`ReAn`	`if they do, they're stupid`
`21:00.50`	`nevcairiel`	`I could do it sneaky`
`21:00.52`	`Warcraft3`	`1`
`21:00.55`	`nevcairiel`	`and write some oops`
`21:00.56`	`nevcairiel`	`or so`
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`21:01.21`	`dafire_`	`the beta without nda is less fun then bc.. everything is in the news... already walkthrough movies from the first dungeons`
`21:01.31`	`sb`	`stop making fun of that :/ i just want that key sigh`
`21:01.34`	`Dashkal`	`Warcraft3: It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.`
`21:01.46`	`nevcairiel`	`ya i think its stupid to post guides for the 5 mans`
`21:01.47`	`jaxdahl2`	`here's mine: 9H9RJY-TYEN-T3NER7-HJTF-KRBNWX`
`21:01.49`	`nevcairiel`	`where is the fun`
`21:01.53`	`nevcairiel`	`i mean i didnt read them`
`21:01.56`	`nevcairiel`	`but its still stupid`
`21:02.04`	`dafire_`	`I should have one.. I was at wwi .. but .. well... it should not have been :)`
`21:02.10`	`dafire_`	`at least I got mini tyrael`
`21:02.18`	`nevcairiel`	`well why do you destroy your ticket!`
`21:02.51`	`Obe_work`	`yeah`
`21:02.55`	`Neo\|Home`	`just got a meeting invite where the person mentioned it was on aug 6th`
`21:03.06`	`Vonhinten`	`Anyone got a .torrent for the us beta client?`
`21:03.08`	`Neo\|Home`	`which means, I guess, it's in 2009 since aug 6 is wednesday this year :P`
`21:03.09`	`Obe_work`	`this is one of the reasons i'm now worrying whether I'm just spoiling wotlk by playing the beta`
`21:03.24`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: I played WoW Original since January 2004`
`21:03.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: didn't spoil wow launch for me :P`
`21:03.36`	`jaxdahl2`	`Vonhinten, hack the .exe`
`21:03.38`	`Zyndrome`	`begins banging his head against the wall`
`21:03.51`	`Vonhinten`	`I'd rather someone just send me a torrent :)`
`21:04.05`	`Zyndrome`	`M'uru - phase 2 starts = corpserun`
`21:04.29`	`Obe_work`	`Neo\|Home: You're EU?`
`21:04.36`	`Vonhinten`	`What's the link for the exe anyway`
`21:04.50`	Funkeh`	`is 26 ap the go for a rogue`
`21:04.52`	Funkeh`	`gloves`
`21:04.53`	`Obe_work`	`errr nvm`
`21:05.08`	`sb`	`i still dont understandt why blizz sends opt-in stuff before author stuff - why do hey offer such deals if they arent really after it sigh`
`21:05.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: US`
`21:05.17`	`Obe_work`	`right`
`21:05.29`	`Diao`	Funkeh`: 26 ap or 15 agi, i prefer 15 agi personally
`21:05.30`	`Obe_work`	`you didn't feel like you're just repeating yoruself?`
`21:05.31`	`Matrix110`	Funkeh` lots of rogues want 15agi
`21:05.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`I was in closed F&F alpha testing (testing the Linux client through alpha)`
`21:05.39`	`Matrix110`	`i overwrite 26AP alot with 15agi`
`21:05.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`It was discontinued in closed beta unfortunately`
`21:05.43`	`Matrix110`	`but 26AP is alot cheaper`
`21:05.47`	`nevcairiel`	`sb: all the really new changes to the UI Code are not final yet ;)`
`21:05.51`	`jaxdahl2`	`http://jax2.zenblue.net/WotLK-Beta-3.0.1-enUS-downloader.torrent`
`21:05.56`	`jaxdahl2`	`there you go Vonhinten`
`21:06.06`	`Obe_work`	`like i did the first few quests at valiance keep and halfway through it this morning i was like.. "do i really want to do these quests again when this goes live?"`
`21:06.09`	`jaxdahl2`	`exe download PC: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/beta-downloader-enUS.html`
`21:06.15`	Funkeh`	`hmm`
`21:06.19`	`jaxdahl2`	`mac: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/mac/beta-downloader-enUS.html`
`21:06.23`	Funkeh`	`not bothered about cost`
`21:06.31`	Funkeh`	`so ill go for the 15 agil then`
`21:06.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`Obe_work: doing quests a 2nd time to me is fine - just means I know what to do. 3-4 is ok, more than that is just a grind`
`21:06.53`	`Vonhinten`	`thx`
`21:07.47`	`Obe_work`	`Neo\|Home: I guess that is helpful. Do you think they'll eventually allow for templated level 80s to be playable?`
`21:07.59`	`thul`	`hey ho, did you all miss me?`
`21:08.02`	`thul`	`loves elli`
`21:08.13`	`jaxdahl2`	`Obe_work, low odds of that`
`21:08.14`	`sb`	`nevcairiel: meh :o`
`21:08.32`	`jaxdahl2`	`they want people to test it with the characters they'd actually be playing with on live`
`21:09.16`	`profalbert`	`well, I won't continue playing my lock`
`21:09.24`	`Obe_work`	`Well, I'm just curious how much of the end content they want openly tested`
`21:11.09`	`Ackis`	`fiery weapon at level 6 is fun`
`21:11.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`whoever created the game Peggle did so because heroin just isn't addictive enough`
`21:12.00`	`Pneumatus`	`Obe_work: very unlikely, they didnt in tbc beta`
`21:12.01`	`Ackis`	`Pkekyo\| extreme or deluxe?`
`21:12.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I've got both :P`
`21:12.22`	`Ackis`	`heh ditto`
`21:12.30`	`Pneumatus`	`and they will want people testing quests, which you would bypass with a premade char`
`21:12.36`	`Dashkal`	`peggle.... must resist`
`21:12.40`	`Dashkal`	`has both`
`21:12.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`extreme is what made me get deluxe...and I can't fucking stop...hardly slept the last week`
`21:12.42`	`thul`	`hmm, looks boring`
`21:12.53`	`Ackis`	`Dashkal: http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind :D pls?`
`21:13.23`	`Ackis`	`my level 7 shaman has 702 hp`
`21:13.59`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wth Ackis`
`21:14.04`	`fewyn`	`curious, anyone in here play wow under linux?`
`21:14.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`noone ever did, noone ever will`
`21:15.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`I did`
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`21:15.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`natively`
`21:15.43`	`falconindy`	`playing on a Mac is the closest you'll ever get to native`
`21:15.45`	`fewyn`	`Well recently, I was wondering how well it worked?`
`21:15.53`	`fewyn`	`I was going to play it under Wine`
`21:16.00`	`fewyn`	`I'm just getting fed up with Windows`
`21:16.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`falconindy: now, yes`
`21:16.07`	`Neo\|Home`	`fewyn: install OS X?`
`21:16.19`	`fewyn`	`not on my white box, last attempt didn't work too well`
`21:16.26`	`falconindy`	`ive had friends in previous guilds who played WoW on Wine just fine... the issue came into setting up Ventrilo, actually`
`21:16.36`	`fewyn`	`unless there are decent drivers for nvidia cards now`
`21:16.40`	`Neo\|Home`	`there are`
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`21:16.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`I run a 8800 GT 256 MB just fine`
`21:16.52`	`Neo\|Home`	`do you have AMD or Intel?`
`21:17.03`	`fewyn`	`AMD proc, nvidia 8800 gts`
`21:17.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I have your mother :O`
`21:17.13`	`Neo\|Home`	`AMD is a bit iffy but it works. it's a bit special`
`21:17.17`	`fewyn`	`moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600) up: 1hr 23mins 40secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ (x86) at 2411MHz (93% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB res: 1440x900 32bit 59Hz ram: 1335/3070.5MB (43.48%) [\|\|\|\|------] hdd: C:\ 104.73GB/149.04GB D:\ 56.31GB/74.52GB E:\ 170.85GB/465.76GB net: Belkin Wireless G Desktop Card _2 - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 54MB/s 18.58MB In 7.44MB Out`
`21:17.25`	`fewyn`	`i know`
`21:18.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Peggle will be the end of my marriage :(`
`21:19.00`	`Antiarc`	`Things that amuse me: Speaking to my wife's pregnant belly, in my lowest voice, and saying "Logan...I am your father."`
`21:19.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lmfao Antiarc`
`21:19.21`	`Antiarc`	`She shooed me away.`
`21:19.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`honestly, what could you expect? :p`
`21:20.37`	`Ackis`	`Antiarc: hahah`
`21:20.51`	`Ackis`	`antiarc: ever play the "poke" game?`
`21:21.00`	`Antiarc`	`Wherein you poke and see if he pokes back?`
`21:21.11`	`Antiarc`	`She does that. I don't because I'm afraid to poke out an eye or nail him in the nads or something.`
`21:21.14`	`Ackis`	`yup`
`21:21.34`	`Ackis`	`poke game is fun`
`21:22.07`	`Ackis`	`har far along is she?`
`21:22.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`not that far, 10 yards or so, just trying to run out the door`
`21:22.57`	`Antiarc`	`8 months`
`21:23.16`	`Ackis`	`oh wow ready to pop`
`21:23.18`	`Ackis`	`first child?`
`21:24.45`	`profalbert`	`damn... need 4 more arena-games and login-servers are down`
`21:25.14`	`Trell_`	`anyone from EU copied their chars over succesfully?`
`21:25.18`	`Trell_`	`its telling me 3 days now >_<`
`21:26.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`patch tomorrow?`
`21:26.05`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, first one.`
`21:27.50`	`Obe_work`	`hmmm, cya folks`
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`21:31.23`	`Luthorhuss`	`Does Pitbull support Death Knights atm ?`
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`21:34.09`	`Vonhinten`	`christ, blizzard downloader just uses every bit of your upstream doesn't it....`
`21:34.50`	`Matrix110`	`thats why you use a normal torrent or DDL`
`21:35.09`	`Voliand`	`or get an app that can limit the bandwidth use of individual apps`
`21:35.14`	`Vonhinten`	`I have net limiter`
`21:35.19`	`Neo\|Home`	`Vonhinten: it's SMART!!! zomg`
`21:35.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`Vonhinten: in the very first beta build that used torrents, closed beta I think, that was my comment`
`21:35.58`	`Trell_`	`seriously, what ping do other EU beta players have?`
`21:35.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`there was no way to limit upstream and thus my download speeds sucked and I couldnt' use the computer in the meantime`
`21:36.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`they never fixed it`
`21:36.04`	`Trell_`	`and is there anything at all I can do to lower mine >_<`
`21:36.08`	`Trell_`	`it's almost unplayable atm`
`21:36.16`	`Trell_`	`476ms >_< crazy`
`21:36.38`	`Aii`	`turn off the downloader? hehe`
`21:36.44`	`Vonhinten`	`Are their beta servers overloaded?`
`21:37.26`	`Trell_`	`don't have the downloader running, obviously - and the server says 'High'`
`21:37.52`	`Vonhinten`	`probably running past capacity`
`21:38.33`	`Matrix110`	`Trell_ a friend of mine copied this morning and his char is there now`
`21:38.37`	`Matrix110`	`so it took ~12hrs`
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`21:39.51`	`Trell_`	`copied mine about 1 ish`
`21:42.31`	`selckin`	`if you send stuff to an char, how long does it take to update, if you want to copy that char?`
`21:45.02`	`Primer`	`PVP discipline priest specs vary so much`
`21:45.11`	`Primer`	`I have yet to find a spec I like`
`21:45.16`	`Aii`	`Primer: yes and no`
`21:45.21`	`Aii`	`certain things vary`
`21:45.26`	`Aii`	`but they're mostly small differences`
`21:45.28`	`Primer`	`I copied this one dude's spec recently using talented`
`21:45.37`	`Primer`	`only after I applied it did I notice Holy Nova`
`21:45.41`	`Aii`	`1) If you don't have PS, you're doing it wrong`
`21:45.44`	`Primer`	`something I don't think I'd EVER use`
`21:45.50`	`Aii`	`2) If you don't have Martyrdom, you're doing it wrong`
`21:46.00`	`Primer`	`please elaborate...PS`
`21:46.00`	`Aii`	`Primer: holy nova is for rank2, to kill snakes`
`21:46.14`	`Aii`	`Pain Suppression`
`21:46.17`	`Aii`	`(is PS)`
`21:46.17`	`Primer`	`right`
`21:46.20`	`Primer`	`duh`
`21:46.24`	`Primer`	`not all here today`
`21:46.27`	`Aii`	`hehe`
`21:46.33`	`CIA-55`	`03StingerSoft * r79829 10LittleWigs/ (24 files in 4 dirs): LittleWigs: added/fixed ruRU`
`21:46.42`	`Primer`	`last night I had a very hard time in both 3's and 2's`
`21:46.50`	`Aii`	`the biggest deviation I see in disc specs is the choice between reflective shield or not`
`21:46.57`	`Primer`	`but then, I think my partner is kind of crappy`
`21:47.01`	`Primer`	`I've been reading about that`
`21:47.04`	`Aii`	`what's your comp?`
`21:47.13`	`Primer`	`I think that it depends on the team composition`
`21:47.19`	`Primer`	`currently, me and a BM hunter`
`21:47.25`	`fewyn`	`(@Tepetkhet) I just txt'd a friend, "Skull first, then x, then green panties. Take panties down fast, then grab orange condom. Everybody on shackle target before she breaks free! Any questions?"`
`21:47.49`	`Aii`	`...`
`21:47.53`	`Primer`	`but I'm re-evaluating that combo`
`21:47.58`	`Primer`	`considering a warrior`
`21:48.03`	`Aii`	`(the ... was @ fewyn`
`21:48.06`	`Primer`	`right`
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`21:48.10`	`Primer`	`I figured`
`21:48.13`	`Aii`	`honestly`
`21:48.21`	`Aii`	`i'd go with a rogue over a warrior, if you have the option`
`21:48.37`	`Primer`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Ihavenoidea`
`21:48.39`	`Primer`	`that's my priest`
`21:48.49`	`Primer`	`bah, logged in raid gear`
`21:48.51`	`Aii`	`the extra control a rogue brings to the table is much more useful`
`21:49.28`	`Primer`	`I never log in raid gear...wtf`
`21:49.32`	`Aii`	`and since you don't have all that much CC as a priest (fear and MC is about it), the rogue's CC is a welcome addition`
`21:50.29`	`Aii`	`i waited for ages for the ZA robes to drop`
`21:50.30`	`Diao`	`Primer, holy nova is amazing`
`21:50.31`	`Aii`	`but they never did`
`21:50.34`	`Diao`	`you kill snake traps with it`
`21:50.40`	`Aii`	`so I finally broke down and bought the badge one a week ago`
`21:50.41`	`Primer`	`ok, that makes sense`
`21:50.51`	`Aii`	`and yes Diao, I already mentioned that :P`
`21:50.56`	`Aii`	`rank2 holy nova for snake traps`
`21:51.25`	`Primer`	`so, in practice, for 2's, I should strictly be concentrating on keeping myself alive and healing my partner, right?`
`21:51.38`	`Aii`	`um, that really depends`
`21:51.45`	`Primer`	`not even worry about attacking, I mean`
`21:51.45`	`Aii`	`what's your pvp gear like?`
`21:51.58`	`Primer`	`418 resil, mixture of S1-S4`
`21:52.08`	`Aii`	`mm`
`21:52.09`	`Primer`	`1790 healing as disc`
`21:52.23`	`Aii`	`you might try to play a little more aggressive then`
`21:52.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`Primer: basically, keep your team up, burn if you can, fear at the right moment`
`21:52.42`	`Primer`	`so fear when it's up, star shards (no mana)`
`21:52.51`	`Primer`	`mana burn when possible`
`21:53.01`	`Aii`	`fear at the right times (which isnt necessarily on cooldown)`
`21:53.09`	`Aii`	`mana burn when it doesn't hurt you more than them`
`21:53.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`fear when it hurts the enemy`
`21:53.26`	`[dRaCo]`	`like, when they are casting a big heal`
`21:53.30`	`[dRaCo]`	`or one of them is low`
`21:53.37`	`Aii`	`nods`
`21:53.38`	`[dRaCo]`	`giving your mate time to finish him off`
`21:53.38`	`Primer`	`I think the problem has been finding the right team members`
`21:53.44`	`Aii`	`well`
`21:53.52`	`Aii`	`a lot of it isnt the class so much as the player`
`21:54.01`	`Aii`	`you need to be able to work together and coordinate well`
`21:54.01`	`Primer`	`last night we 3'd with the BM hunter and SL/SL lock`
`21:54.11`	`Primer`	`the SL/SL lock admits to not being too into pvp`
`21:54.16`	`Aii`	`for instance, if you're low an a warrior is on you`
`21:54.17`	`[dRaCo]`	`disci/sl is a fine team`
`21:54.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1217956287855.jpg`
`21:54.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`chuckles`
`21:54.26`	`Primer`	`and I didn't want to tell him he wasn't doing that well`
`21:54.28`	`[dRaCo]`	`disci/Mm`
`21:54.30`	`Aii`	`you need to be able to ask your rogue to land a stun on the warrior, so you can get a heal off`
`21:54.53`	`Aii`	`and know that he'll do his damnedest to get that stun landed`
`21:54.56`	`*** join/#wowace sithy_ (n=sithy@lns-bzn-27-82-248-51-11.adsl.proxad.net)`
`21:55.02`	`Diao`	`priest is a much more offensive healer in arena`
`21:55.07`	`Aii`	`Pkekyo\|: sfw?`
`21:55.15`	`Diao`	`should be dispelling and whatnot if you aren't trying to heal`
`21:55.19`	`Primer`	`yeah, we were having communication issues last night, despite all of us being in vent`
`21:55.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Aii: aye`
`21:55.32`	`Primer`	`like, you shouldn't be bashful about asking to be healed :)`
`21:55.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:55.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`unless your boss is black :(`
`21:55.50`	`Primer`	`yeah, that's usually my strategy`
`21:55.54`	`Aii`	`I dont memorize the chans :x`
`21:56.05`	`Primer`	`I dispel every buff I can on the one we're targeting`
`21:56.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`me neither, but I only toss about at /k/ soeh`
`21:56.17`	`Diao`	`you should be predispelling the others as well`
`21:56.20`	`Diao`	`in case you go for a target swap`
`21:56.34`	`Diao`	`tunnel vision is bad :p`
`21:56.37`	`Aii`	`and especially dispelling the important stuff`
`21:56.38`	`Primer`	`I've also been trying to get these idiots to install proximo`
`21:56.48`	`Primer`	`but I get responses like "addons are hard!!"`
`21:56.52`	`Diao`	`lol`
`21:56.52`	`Aii`	`like the innervate on the druid`
`21:56.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`if they don't, get new team mates :>`
`21:56.54`	`*** join/#wowace ajmitch (n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch)`
`21:57.03`	`Diao`	`that's why you pre-dispel!`
`21:57.04`	`Primer`	`that's what I'm doing now`
`21:57.16`	`Aii`	`Diao: yep`
`21:57.25`	`Aii`	`a lot easier to dispel the innervate when there arent any other buffs up :P`
`21:57.36`	`Primer`	`indeed`
`21:57.38`	`Aii`	`(!@#%% lifebloom)`
`21:57.43`	`Diao`	`lol`
`21:57.49`	`Diao`	`warrior druid isn't too hard as priest rogue`
`21:57.57`	`Primer`	`so as far as my current spec...viable?`
`21:58.06`	`Primer`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Ihavenoidea`
`21:58.32`	`Aii`	`your current spec is fine`
`21:58.36`	`Primer`	`ok`
`21:58.44`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`21:58.53`	`Aii`	`in fact, it's pretty close to the same as mine`
`21:58.58`	`Diao`	`i went with silent resolve`
`21:59.01`	`Diao`	`over reflective shield`
`21:59.08`	`Diao`	`Antiarc- dispel is fun`
`21:59.10`	`Diao`	`oops`
`21:59.13`	`Diao`	`stupid autocomplete`
`21:59.14`	`Aii`	`lol`
`21:59.20`	`Diao`	`anti dispel`
`21:59.21`	`Diao`	`:(`
`21:59.27`	`Aii`	`I went with reflective`
`21:59.31`	`Aii`	`helps with more pressure`
`21:59.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I want a Chey-Tac M200 damnit :(`
`21:59.51`	`Primer`	`so a shield is something I definitely want to keep up on the dude that's getting hit the most`
`22:00.01`	`Aii`	`depends`
`22:00.01`	`Primer`	`I think that was a mistake I was making last night`
`22:00.04`	`Diao`	`i have more trouble with dispel teams than not dealing enough damage`
`22:00.08`	`Diao`	`ie, shaman`
`22:00.12`	`Aii`	`with reflective shield, it helps, yes`
`22:00.36`	`Aii`	`if you're up against a warrior, you want to keep shield up anyways`
`22:00.42`	`Aii`	`less rage for warrior = good`
`22:00.58`	`*** part/#wowace CobraA1 (n=Jeremiah@ks-76-7-6-16.sta.embarqhsd.net)`
`22:01.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`shush, don't tell him, he might be in my battlegroup :p`
`22:01.12`	`Aii`	`~lart Pkekyo\|`
`22:01.12`	`purl`	`whips out his power stapler and staples Pkekyo\|'s foot to the floor`
`22:01.16`	`Diao`	`also, 85% resist on PS is win`
`22:01.29`	`[dRaCo]`	`doesnt last longer than 3 purges, anyway`
`22:01.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Aii: stop larting me...and please buy me a Chey-Tac :(`
`22:01.45`	`Diao`	`well we were playing warrior/priest/druid in 3s`
`22:01.48`	`Diao`	`and protecting innervate with PS`
`22:01.50`	`Diao`	`:P`
`22:01.53`	`Aii`	`Diao: on a side note, ;_; = me after running into a resto+enh 2shammy team last night`
`22:01.58`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:02.05`	`Diao`	`i play too many alts`
`22:02.14`	`Diao`	`i stopped playing my priest because his teammates stopped playing`
`22:02.27`	`Diao`	`now i mainly play my fresh rsham alt and my warr (main)`
`22:02.38`	`Diao`	`i hate looking for new teammates`
`22:02.39`	`Aii`	`no buffs, no casting with 2earthshocks, and getting smacked by an enh shammy with poison cleasning spammed on him = ow`
`22:02.49`	`Diao`	`i spend weeks trying out multiple teammaes`
`22:02.51`	`Diao`	`and most of them suck`
`22:02.55`	`Aii`	`same here Diao`
`22:03.04`	Funkeh`	`haha`
`22:03.07`	`Diao`	`so if my current teammates stop playing i just don't play that char anymore`
`22:03.08`	Funkeh`	`damn early maintenance`
`22:03.11`	`Diao`	`and switch to another`
`22:03.12`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:03.13`	Funkeh`	`no arena points this week`
`22:03.14`	`Aii`	`I think I finally found a guildie who, if nothing else, will learn pretty quickly`
`22:03.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`"mana costs for new rank is not an issue for just hunters"`
`22:03.40`	`Neo\|Home`	`what, what's wrong with doubling mana cost but adding 5% more damage?`
`22:03.55`	`Primer`	`I think my main problem is lack of real experience`
`22:04.04`	`Aii`	`toss em a shadowpriest and tell em to be quiet :P`
`22:04.05`	`Primer`	`and the fact that most good players already have good partners`
`22:04.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`576-640 to 601-655 going from X mana to X*1.9 mana`
`22:04.15`	`Diao`	`a lot of arena is reaction from experience`
`22:04.20`	`Aii`	`nods`
`22:04.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`Aii: have you seen the costs of spell ranks in the beta?`
`22:04.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's insane`
`22:04.25`	`Diao`	`i spent an entire arena season training a new druid for my warrior`
`22:04.30`	`Aii`	`Neo\|Home: no, but I was being facetious anyways`
`22:04.58`	`Aii`	`Diao: I sometimes play some casual 5v5 with guildies`
`22:05.07`	`Aii`	`I tried having someone else call strategy`
`22:05.09`	`Aii`	`went horrible`
`22:05.13`	`Aii`	`did it myself, went great`
`22:05.19`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:05.22`	`Aii`	`it's literally night and day when it comes to reflex reactions`
`22:05.24`	`Diao`	`that's how it is for me`
`22:05.39`	`Aii`	`takes 15 seconds for them to decide on a target`
`22:05.43`	`Diao`	`if i'm not calling target swaps`
`22:05.43`	`Aii`	`and they're still wishywashy about it`
`22:05.50`	`Diao`	`or pre-calling dispels`
`22:05.59`	`Diao`	`everything falls apart`
`22:06.08`	`Diao`	`i'm good at predicting iceblock/bubble`
`22:06.10`	`*** join/#wowace sithy (n=sithy@lns-bzn-30-82-253-186-84.adsl.proxad.net)`
`22:06.17`	`Diao`	`so i call for my priest to MD before they even use it on my screen`
`22:06.18`	`ramoz`	`so`
`22:06.22`	`Diao`	`and it usually lands JUST as they click it`
`22:06.23`	`Aii`	`I'm the priest, I don't precall them I just do it :P`
`22:06.27`	`ramoz`	`was the eu downtime planned this early?`
`22:06.29`	`Diao`	`so they have like`
`22:06.34`	`Diao`	`zero duration on their bubble/ib`
`22:06.35`	`Diao`	`and die anyway`
`22:06.47`	`Diao`	`on my priest i tend to dispel before the graphic appears on my screen`
`22:06.53`	`Diao`	`just because i know they're about to`
`22:07.07`	`syeren`	`And any good mage is impossible to predict ;p`
`22:07.13`	`Diao`	`no, it's not`
`22:07.17`	`syeren`	`Well I don't know,`
`22:07.27`	`Aii`	`if said mage is getting focused by 2 dps`
`22:07.31`	`syeren`	`At 2.3k rating it seems pretty hard to predict Another's block.`
`22:07.32`	`Megalon`	`ramoz: yes, at least on my loginscreen it was`
`22:07.35`	`Aii`	`its not really that hard to predict when they'll iceblock`
`22:07.42`	`Diao`	`unless they ib early`
`22:07.59`	`Aii`	`in which case, meh`
`22:08.21`	`Aii`	`either dispel anyways and keep going now that they have debuff`
`22:08.25`	`Aii`	`or targetswap`
`22:08.59`	`Diao`	`i stopped playing with priests anyway`
`22:09.06`	`Aii`	`:'(`
`22:09.16`	`Diao`	`can't find a solid 5s, and my lock friend asked me to play on his 3s`
`22:09.17`	`syeren`	`Well 4 times gladiator, Vengeful and Brutal Gladiator Hydra.`
`22:09.23`	`syeren`	`Who plays with me on my team.`
`22:09.26`	`Diao`	`so it's war/dru 2s, and wld 3s`
`22:09.33`	`Diao`	`brutal?`
`22:09.35`	`Diao`	`merciless? :O`
`22:09.37`	`Aii`	`narf durids :P`
`22:09.39`	`syeren`	`*Merciless even.`
`22:09.45`	`Diao`	`how can you be 4 season gladiator :p`
`22:09.48`	`Diao`	`we're on the 4th season`
`22:09.49`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:09.58`	`syeren`	`Will tell you that's impossible to do it against a good mage.`
`22:10.06`	`syeren`	`Because Hydra WILL end up as Brutal Gladiator ;p`
`22:10.41`	`Aii`	`all I can say is`
`22:10.46`	`Aii`	`wtb being able to heal cycloned targets`
`22:11.12`	`syeren`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Hydr%C3%A1`
`22:11.27`	`syeren`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Stormscale&ts=5&t=Personal+Rating+Inc&select=Personal+Rating+Inc`
`22:11.31`	`syeren`	`And plays the Priest in that team ;p`
`22:12.31`	`Aii`	`gogo rocketboots? :)`
`22:12.38`	`Diao`	`dwarves are so cheap :(`
`22:12.41`	`syeren`	`He's the person who got Rocket Boots nerfed ;p`
`22:12.59`	`Diao`	`SF+DP when you're low is unfair!`
`22:13.03`	`Diao`	`:p`
`22:13.04`	`syeren`	`He released Hydra 5, absolutely crap loads of people see it.`
`22:13.08`	`syeren`	`Then roll engineering.`
`22:13.11`	`syeren`	`Then it gets nerfed/`
`22:13.18`	`NivFreak`	`I wish I could link my accounts, and summon my toons once per hours ;)`
`22:13.42`	`Primer`	`what's the deal with the rocket boots?`
`22:13.49`	`Primer`	`pardon my newbishness`
`22:13.53`	`syeren`	`Ermm.`
`22:13.55`	`syeren`	`Let me get you a link.`
`22:14.03`	`Aii`	`speed boost o.o`
`22:14.08`	`Primer`	`I know what it does`
`22:14.10`	`syeren`	`They used to break CC.`
`22:14.15`	`Aii`	`^`
`22:14.27`	`Primer`	`so the priest was CC'd, and the boots is a free CC breaker?`
`22:14.32`	`syeren`	`And pretty much no one knew about it until Hydra released his movie :p`
`22:14.44`	`syeren`	`http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=82709`
`22:14.51`	`syeren`	`Primer.`
`22:14.52`	`syeren`	`In 2s.`
`22:14.55`	`Diao`	`i saw them using the boots`
`22:15.00`	`Diao`	`in the korean duel matches`
`22:15.01`	`Diao`	`months ago`
`22:15.03`	`Xuerian`	`Haha, why wouldn't they be cc breakers`
`22:15.10`	`Xuerian`	`They're rockets attached to your shoes`
`22:15.11`	`syeren`	`You see a Mage casting sheep at you.`
`22:15.23`	`syeren`	`Diao, he's been Rocket boots since release of TBC.`
`22:15.30`	`syeren`	`So yeah, before koreans.`
`22:15.36`	`syeren`	`Pointless even trying to stand up to him >_>`
`22:15.43`	`syeren`	`If you're SW:D is on cooldown.`
`22:15.44`	`Diao`	`maybe, maybe not :p`
`22:15.45`	`syeren`	`Rocket boot.`
`22:15.46`	`syeren`	`Sheep.`
`22:15.56`	`syeren`	`And then it breaks it ;p`
`22:15.59`	`*** join/#wowace Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys)`
`22:16.07`	`Aii`	`syeren: which one of his arena partners are you? :)`
`22:16.15`	`syeren`	`Rosetsu the Shaman.`
`22:16.22`	`syeren`	`And he plays on my Priest syeren ;p`
`22:17.56`	`Primer`	`this movie is so grainy`
`22:18.02`	`Primer`	`can hardly make anything out`
`22:18.08`	`syeren`	`He didn't upload it ;p`
`22:18.17`	`syeren`	`He didn't release it to the public :p`
`22:18.59`	`syeren`	`Filefront stream is terrible quality X_X`
`22:19.16`	`syeren`	`I just tried it and can't see anything haha.`
`22:19.38`	`Primer`	`it's definitely a movie made from his perspective`
`22:19.49`	`Primer`	`someone hacked his box and uploaded it?`
`22:19.53`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, syeren...`
`22:20.01`	`syeren`	`No.`
`22:20.09`	`syeren`	`He released it privately to his usual group of friends.`
`22:20.17`	`syeren`	`Then Cherekee posted it to someone on WoM.`
`22:20.22`	`syeren`	`WoM posted it.`
`22:20.29`	`syeren`	`Then it ended up on the NIhilum website.`
`22:20.37`	`syeren`	`Then someone uploaded it to WCM as clearly stated :p`
`22:29.26`	`*** join/#wowace Groktar (n=Groktar_@76-236-38-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net)`
`22:29.29`	`Groktar`	`spammers again?`
`22:29.35`	`zeroau`	`Rocket boot CC breaking`
`22:29.41`	`zeroau`	`was around WAY before hydra found out`
`22:33.59`	`NivFreak`	`blizzard doesn't let you transfer characters between accounts with different last names right?`
`22:34.09`	`Aii`	`correct`
`22:35.20`	`NivFreak`	`another unfortunate side effect of people who don't change thier last names when they get married ;)`
`22:35.47`	`CIA-55`	`03funkydude * r79830 10BigWigs/TheEye/Reaver.lua: BigWigs: TheEye/Reaver: Remove old scanning code`
`22:36.18`	`NivFreak`	`did they ever add queues for orbs back in on void reaver?`
`22:36.26`	`Aii`	`hm?`
`22:36.28`	`Aii`	`what queues`
`22:36.32`	`NivFreak`	`sorry`
`22:36.32`	`NivFreak`	`cues`
`22:36.34`	`NivFreak`	`<-- tired`
`22:36.39`	`Aii`	`dont believe so`
`22:36.47`	`NivFreak`	`they tried to once, and failed`
`22:36.49`	`Aii`	`they said they did`
`22:36.55`	`Aii`	`but they didnt`
`22:37.05`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`22:37.09`	`Aii`	`besides, its more fun w/o anyways`
`22:37.21`	`NivFreak`	`I haven't been there in a while`
`22:37.30`	`NivFreak`	`last time we did, we just stood under him`
`22:37.35`	`NivFreak`	`and left one hunter out to kite orbs`
`22:37.38`	`NivFreak`	`and CoH/CH'd the shit out of it`
`22:37.44`	`NivFreak`	`4 minute kill I think?`
`22:38.41`	`NivFreak`	`so I finally got my 4th pc of t6 (years behind!) and man, I hope the set bonus is really good, because it robs me of all my solid threat stats :)`
`22:39.27`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:39.33`	`Diao`	`i've been passing on all t6 on my warrior`
`22:39.40`	`Diao`	`until sunwell pieces`
`22:39.41`	`Diao`	`:\`
`22:39.45`	`Primer`	`sigh, is there no prop or setting to permanently --ignore-externals with svn?`
`22:39.54`	`NivFreak`	`I won't likely see any sunwell bits`
`22:39.59`	`Primer`	`I mean, I co'd it with --ignore-externals`
`22:40.02`	`NivFreak`	`maybe bracer, but I can't count on it`
`22:40.07`	`Primer`	`but up grabs the externals`
`22:40.12`	`Diao`	`neither will i, but t6 is worse than my current pieces in terms of both threat and avoidance`
`22:40.21`	`Diao`	`so i figure i should just pass and let people who need upgrades take it`
`22:40.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`by the way I tried making my tetris game use an Ace3 timed repeating event for the event loop`
`22:40.51`	`NivFreak`	`Diao: 4pc bonus is supposed to be really solid`
`22:41.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`and it failed completely. every second or so theer's a 0.2s delay or so, possibly some other timed event`
`22:41.13`	`Neo\|Home`	`ended up going back to my own OnEvent loop`
`22:41.20`	`Diao`	`mm`
`22:42.15`	`Diao`	`solid enough to make up for losing my hit/expertise cap?`
`22:42.18`	`Diao`	`:p`
`22:42.40`	`NivFreak`	`yea, that's unclear ;)`
`22:42.43`	`Diao`	`although it might be a good set for when i have to mix in some threat and avoidance, since i have 2 completely different sets right now`
`22:42.44`	`NivFreak`	`I'll let you know :)`
`22:42.47`	`Diao`	`kk`
`22:43.02`	`NivFreak`	`Right now I sustain 1200-1500TPS in my non-t6 set`
`22:43.17`	`NivFreak`	`the badge/za/t5 shit is so nice and focused for threat`
`22:43.31`	`NivFreak`	`I use 2pc tier 5, badge legs/belt/bracer/neck`
`22:43.37`	`CIA-55`	`03funkydude * r79831 10BadBoy/ (BadBoy.lua BadBoy.toc): BadBoy: tweak`
`22:43.39`	`NivFreak`	`and some bits with hit on them to cap it`
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`22:44.17`	Funkeh`	`NivFreak, yes they did`
`22:44.21`	Funkeh`	`add them to vr`
`22:44.29`	Funkeh`	`1 patch late`
`22:44.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`NivFreak: how much without earth shield, PoM etc?`
`22:44.56`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`22:44.56`	`Neo\|Home`	`good use of lifebloom is a huge chunk of threat`
`22:45.01`	`Neo\|Home`	`sorry`
`22:45.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`PoM`
`22:45.05`	`Diao`	`i thought lifebloom doesn't count`
`22:45.05`	`NivFreak`	Funkeh`: they actually work?
`22:45.09`	`Diao`	`the final bloom, that is`
`22:45.15`	Funkeh`	`yes`
`22:45.15`	`Neo\|Home`	`lifebloom is best used not to bloom, was a typo on my part`
`22:45.44`	`NivFreak`	`Neo\|Home: I haven't tried to break it out, but my healers are well trained ;)`
`22:46.01`	`Dashkal`	`Primer: get the new version of SVN and look into sparse checkouts. They can accomplish what you're after (don't checkout anything under libs)`
`22:46.02`	Funkeh`	`bw automatically started working in 2.4.3 since I anticipated the changed before 2.4.2 and implemented it`
`22:46.06`	Funkeh`	`but left the old code in`
`22:46.27`	`NivFreak`	`ah`
`22:46.28`	`NivFreak`	`k`
`22:46.36`	`NivFreak`	`I haven't been back since they tried to fix it`
`22:47.35`	`Primer`	`Dashkal: unfortunately I'm stuck on 1.4`
`22:48.09`	`Dashkal`	`Primer: any particular reason?`
`22:48.42`	`Primer`	`last time I had an issue and had to revert eclipse, and had to re-checkout everything`
`22:48.47`	`Primer`	`and it was a hassle`
`22:49.03`	`Dashkal`	`tar cf workspace.tar workspace :p`
`22:49.09`	`Primer`	`since 1.5 co can't be handled by 1.4`
`22:49.33`	`Dashkal`	`same deal for your eclipse install`
`22:49.41`	`Dashkal`	`good habit regardless before adding plugins`
`22:49.53`	`Dashkal`	`which reminds me, prolly time to attempt to upgrade to eclipse 3.4 again`
`22:49.57`	`Dashkal`	`last attempt... not so pretty`
`22:50.09`	`Primer`	`I have filesystem accessible backups if I need it, going back 2 weeks`
`22:50.17`	`Primer`	`thanks to rsync + hard link magic :)`
`22:50.23`	`Dashkal`	`that works too :p`
`22:50.36`	`Dashkal`	`mind you, I'm not sure if tigris has released their 1.5 ready subclipse yet`
`22:50.42`	`Dashkal`	`just haven't looked`
`22:50.48`	`Primer`	`their native port is 1.5`
`22:50.49`	`sb`	`Dashkal: reload inbox! :p`
`22:50.54`	`Neo\|Home`	`Apple's Timemachine does that... which is why I like it. it's cool. Not sure how they handle the hardlinking though, seems pretty efficient`
`22:51.08`	`Dashkal`	`reloads his inbox`
`22:51.10`	`Dashkal`	`nothing there`
`22:51.14`	`Primer`	`and their JNI one just hooks to the existing libsvnjava-hl`
`22:51.41`	`Primer`	`heh, that's how I got the problem`
`22:51.58`	`Dashkal`	`I posted awhile back complaining that subclipse didn't have ignore-externals. the reply was that that feature was in the next version`
`22:52.16`	`Primer`	`I upgraded to eclipse 3.4 with subclipse 1.4 (I believe), which uses the native svn client, which is 1.5`
`22:52.42`	`Primer`	`I wanted to use the JNI version, since it's MUCH faster`
`22:52.45`	`Primer`	`and less buggy`
`22:52.54`	`Primer`	`and more featureful`
`22:53.05`	`Primer`	`Did I mention it's faster?`
`22:53.12`	`Dashkal`	`heh`
`22:53.13`	`Primer`	`yeah`
`22:53.24`	`Dashkal`	`wants better eclipse git support`
`22:53.33`	`Dashkal`	`there is egit, and it's coming. But not ready yet`
`22:53.35`	`Primer`	`Anyhow, once fedora puts 1.5 into 9, I'll upgrade`
`22:53.45`	`Primer`	`since all the other developers here are on fedora too`
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`22:53.54`	`Primer`	`except for the one ubuntu hold-out`
`22:54.19`	`Dashkal`	`Serious question: What does fedora offer that ubuntu lacks?`
`22:54.52`	`Dashkal`	`I use ubuntu primarally because I like debs more than rpms. That reasoning is no longer fair since fedore (presumably) has improved their packaging system`
`22:55.21`	`Primer`	`ahh gigabit to my colo'd server, which is 1 hop away, rocks`
`22:56.21`	`sb`	`Primer: imho get away from fedora`
`22:56.58`	`Dashkal`	`well, debs and simple familiarity. I know where ubuntu sticks all its files.`
`22:57.01`	`sb`	`(and no, this is not some distri war)`
`22:57.57`	`Ackis`	`is the zhevra mount retro active?`
`22:58.02`	`sb`	`since centos is the ~same platform, but much better update-support`
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`22:59.11`	`m4rku5`	`hey nevcairiel stop doin instances :P get some more addons ready for wotlk ;)`
`22:59.12`	`Dashkal`	`Ackis: all signs point to no`
`22:59.42`	`Dashkal`	`Your suc^H^H^Hfriend needs to use the key the promotion has you make for them`
`22:59.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`zhevra mount?`
`23:00.08`	`Ackis`	`Arrowmaster: oui`
`23:00.21`	`Dashkal`	`Arrowmaster: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/8557153786-earn-a-zhevra-mount-new-recruita-friend.html`
`23:00.59`	`Ackis`	`anyone need to be recruited? :D`
`23:01.34`	`NivFreak`	`Dashkal: they should really do this for scroll of resurection too`
`23:01.40`	`Dashkal`	`I'll be using it to drag my GF in. Nice timing since I was just thinking of making it happen soonish`
`23:01.53`	`Aii`	`"drag"?`
`23:02.35`	`Dashkal`	`NivFreak: as long as they kept the level 60 cap in, that would be cool, yes`
`23:02.45`	`Primer`	`sb: in favor of...?`
`23:02.46`	`Dashkal`	`Aii: Of course :p`
`23:02.54`	`sb`	`Primer: CentOS`
`23:02.54`	`NivFreak`	`Dashkal: I'd be fine with that`
`23:03.02`	`Primer`	`sb: naw, I use Centos for servers, not desktops`
`23:03.04`	`Dashkal`	`She's somewhat leery of PC games. Mostly a console girl`
`23:03.08`	`Primer`	`this is my desktop`
`23:03.17`	`sb`	`Primer: ahh okay :)`
`23:03.27`	`Dashkal`	`The last thing I'd want to see if triple XP at level 70 shudder`
`23:04.23`	`Aii`	`oic Dashkal`
`23:04.49`	`Dashkal`	`Actually, I'm waiting for her to no longer be in between jobs... Lets not make another warcrack addict...`
`23:05.17`	`Aii`	`heh..`
`23:05.34`	`Ackis`	`meh I just e-mailed blizz on it... I have a referal on my account but the accounts aren't linked nor do I have the mount hehe`
`23:05.47`	`Dashkal`	`I really like how this is done. The bonus only applies when grouped. Strong strong encouragement to not just set someone up and cut them loose.`
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`23:09.50`	`CIA-55`	`03morgalm * r79832 10MorgDKP/ (MorgDKP.lua MorgDKP.toc):`
`23:09.50`	`CIA-55`	`MorgDKP:`
`23:09.51`	`CIA-55`	`- Fix for SK all not saving itempoints for export`
`23:10.17`	`nevcairiel`	`damnit default interface sucks, dont want paging on tree form`
`23:11.40`	`nevcairiel`	`i wonder if i can turn that off`
`23:12.21`	`Primer`	`This HydrÃ¡ video is great`
`23:12.29`	`Primer`	`learning a lot from watching it`
`23:12.48`	`Primer`	`love the one where the warrior dies, but then he takes out the other 2 (2 DPS class)`
`23:12.57`	`Primer`	`mage/rogue`
`23:14.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`so my plan to triple xp at level 70 won't work.. but you could get a level 60 DK for free :P`
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`23:15.30`	`Dashkal`	`Neo\|Home: I wouldn't waste the levels on a DK. You can get to 60 pretty damn easily from what I've heard. I'd rather skip 30-50 :p`
`23:15.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i heard you almost get 60 before you leave the starting zone`
`23:16.33`	`Dashkal`	`Most reports I've heard from beta have you at 57 and most of the way through it when you get dumped in EPL. Having to half a level before the portal isn't onerous :p`
`23:16.53`	`Dashkal`	`-to`
`23:17.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`and that was with an imcompletely questline i think`
`23:17.44`	`Dashkal`	`Yep, they've said they want to ease the transition into EPL a bit more`
`23:17.46`	`Megalon`	`I got to EPL with 57.9 or so, and was 58 after exploring two zones in EPL :>`
`23:18.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`do they give you flightpaths?`
`23:18.17`	`Dashkal`	`Arrowmaster: every one except ZA/IQD`
`23:18.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`Dashkal: but.. what else would you "waste" it on? I don't have any level 55 chars :P`
`23:18.22`	`Megalon`	`you have every flightpath, excapt the silvermoon i think`
`23:18.30`	`Megalon`	`and ZA tranquilien are also missing`
`23:18.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats good`
`23:18.39`	`NivFreak`	`do any of you do najentus with more than 4-5 melee?`
`23:18.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`would suck to have to go around to collect them all`
`23:18.45`	`Megalon`	`yea, you can fly straight to stonard!`
`23:18.55`	`Dashkal`	`Trust Megalon's information before me, I'm just regurgitating what I pick up from the beta forums :p`
`23:21.10`	`Zhinjio`	`burps.`
`23:24.42`	`Dashkal`	`Neo\|Home: well, if you have no other use for it, of course you can start your DK at 60 :p. Personally I'll preserve those levels to boost alts through crappy level ranges.`
`23:25.06`	`Dashkal`	`Like when you find yourself at 29 in duskwood.`
`23:26.47`	`Dashkal`	`By the looks of it you get 30 if you can power your friend to 60 in the three months`
`23:28.15`	`Trell_`	`sorry, someone said a barmod worked with beta earlier, I didn't catch whcih one it was`
`23:28.39`	`sb`	`i still cant believe that 2 guildies got their key :p`
`23:28.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`Dashkal: seeing as how I have a l70 lock, pally and hunter`
`23:28.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`I don't really feel the need for a 5th alt (4th being DK)`
`23:29.13`	`Neo\|Home`	`Dashkal: hey I love duskwood :P`
`23:29.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i was going to level a pally and hunter alt.... but leveling alts is boring`
`23:29.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`Trell_: Bartender 4`
`23:29.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`I'm tired of the pally`
`23:29.50`	`Neo\|Home`	`I am hoping I can stand ret pally in the xpac`
`23:29.51`	`Dashkal`	`Neo\|Home: heh, fair enough on that. And I agree, Duskwood rocks. Having to do quests in ashenvale or the wetlands for two levels because you got caught on the cusp, however, is not fun`
`23:29.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`and it looks like DK will probably be a better farmer than hunter`
`23:30.07`	`Aii`	`aff lock ftw :P`
`23:30.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`nod nod`
`23:30.15`	`Neo\|Home`	`Aii: destro lock ftl`
`23:30.20`	`Aii`	`well`
`23:30.21`	`Aii`	`sort of`
`23:30.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`for some kinds of farming destro is fine`
`23:30.25`	`Dashkal`	`blood DK looks like the ultimate farmer. Unholy, however, looks like a lot of fun`
`23:30.30`	`Aii`	`sac a void and 2-shot things`
`23:30.31`	`Dashkal`	`I'll prolly go unholy at 80`
`23:30.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`but not for the kind of farming you do to get consortium rep up :P`
`23:30.54`	`Neo\|Home`	`I might still be one of the "dedicated" DK's in the guild but need to test it first`
`23:31.44`	`Dashkal`	`I'm almost certain I'll be raiding on the DK`
`23:32.33`	`Trell_`	`would be nice if there was a page of wowace addons dedicated to wotlk compatible ones`
`23:33.02`	`Trell_`	`theres a page on wowinterface for wotlk addons, but its not very comprehensive`
`23:33.18`	`Dashkal`	`Given that WAU is going bye-bye before WotLK is live, that would be of limited use`
`23:34.07`	`NivFreak`	`So nobody here does najentus with more than 4-5 melee?`
`23:34.08`	`NivFreak`	`:P`
`23:34.10`	`Xuerian`	`Does Ace3 require changes to work in WotlK (Or a branches version)`
`23:34.11`	`Trell_`	`but I need the info now - ergo, you need to do it`
`23:34.18`	`Trell_`	`NivFreak - we did it with about 7 last time`
`23:34.28`	`Neo\|Home`	`Xuerian: afaik a few yes`
`23:34.29`	`Trell_`	`we normally have 5 or 6`
`23:34.35`	`NivFreak`	`Trell_: how do you position them?`
`23:34.43`	`Trell_`	`with 6 its easy`
`23:34.45`	`NivFreak`	`last time we tried, I think we ended with the normal 4-5 melee`
`23:34.46`	`NivFreak`	`hehe`
`23:34.48`	`Xuerian`	`Neo\|Home: Greh, I should just avoid it altogether when possible..`
`23:34.50`	`NivFreak`	`Trell_: 3 stacks of 2?`
`23:34.53`	`Trell_`	`2 to his left, 2 to his right, 2 at his back`
`23:34.58`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`23:34.59`	`Diao`	`i do it with like 8`
`23:34.59`	`Trell_`	`each 2 is a group for spine pulling`
`23:35.04`	`Diao`	`>.>`
`23:35.06`	`Diao`	`tank gropu and melee group`
`23:35.20`	`NivFreak`	`Diao: how do they position so they don't get gibbed by splash dmg?`
`23:35.20`	`Trell_`	`so say trell and trell2 are together, trell pulls spines from trell2 and viceversa`
`23:35.27`	`Trell_`	`simplified example but you get the idea`
`23:35.30`	`NivFreak`	`Trell_: yea, that's basically what we do`
`23:35.46`	`NivFreak`	`but I'm looking at a potentially melee heavy raid tonight`
`23:35.50`	`Diao`	`well`
`23:35.59`	`Diao`	`split in groups of 2`
`23:36.03`	`Diao`	`and we have a lot of healing`
`23:36.29`	`Diao`	`1 resto sham, 4 coh priests, 2 pallies, 2 druids`
`23:36.31`	`NivFreak`	`can you really fit 4 groups around him and stay out of splash dmg?`
`23:36.39`	`NivFreak`	`we have 3 resto shaman, 3 CoH priests`
`23:36.40`	`NivFreak`	`:)`
`23:36.43`	`Diao`	`priests pretty much spam`
`23:36.43`	`Trell_`	`awesome, I found a list of functional beta addons`
`23:36.44`	`NivFreak`	`wow`
`23:36.44`	`Trell_`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202532031&sid=2000`
`23:36.46`	`NivFreak`	`9 healers?`
`23:36.48`	`Trell_`	`for anyone that was wondering.`
`23:36.49`	`Neya`	`I've done it with 6 meeles plus 2 tanks, so yea, you can fit in the people.`
`23:36.52`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`23:36.57`	`NivFreak`	`that's a lot of healers`
`23:36.59`	`Diao`	`we have anywhere from 6-11 healers`
`23:37.01`	`NivFreak`	`I like 7-8`
`23:37.02`	`Diao`	`lol`
`23:37.13`	`Diao`	`our dps is strong so we bring a couple extra healers usually`
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`23:39.18`	`Diao`	`we've done naj with 10 lol`
`23:39.21`	`Diao`	`healers, that is`
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`23:41.41`	`Trell_`	`is there a beta compatible buff display?`
`23:41.44`	`Trell_`	`like Buffalo`
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`23:42.51`	`Neya`	`hmm, did Blizzard change the normal time for the eu maintance? 00-07am isn't what I remeber as the usual one.`
`23:43.39`	`Neo\|Home`	`mgiht be an extended one?`
`23:44.47`	`Neya`	`those usually is between 3-11am, normals used to start at 3am if I'm not mistaken.`
`23:45.51`	`CIA-55`	`03ackis * r79833 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua:`
`23:45.51`	`CIA-55`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`23:45.51`	`CIA-55`	`- Add some WotLKstuff back in`
`23:46.53`	`Neya`	`will have to do more dry coding I guess. will be interesting to see tomorow how many spellingerrors there is in the code.`
`23:47.21`	Funkeh`	`yeah they did it early this week`
`23:47.28`	Funkeh`	`raped our chances at arena points`
`23:47.45`	Funkeh`	`shuts down and were on 9 games`
`23:47.53`	`Neya`	`owie`
`23:49.18`	`Diao`	`don't play games last minute`
`23:49.23`	`Diao`	`i learned my lesson :p`
`23:49.49`	`Voliand`	`maim in wotlk breaks if you deal a certain amount of dmg? means our only catform CC is even crappier now? :(`
`23:50.16`	`Neya`	`nah, it's better actually`
`23:50.49`	`Voliand`	`the whole point of maim is that you stack up a number of bleeds, maim, then let the bleeds deal dmg over the stun period then shred just before it ends`
`23:51.04`	`Voliand`	`if your bleeds will interrupt it...`
`23:51.19`	`Voliand`	`it's a kick that drains your combo points...`
`23:51.28`	`Neya`	`still, quite seldom you can do more damage than way rather than with a few white hits and two shreds.`
`23:52.00`	`Voliand`	`I very much doubt you can do that before it breaks`
`23:52.19`	`CIA-55`	`03ackis * r79834 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua:`
`23:52.19`	`CIA-55`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`23:52.19`	`CIA-55`	`- Few more tweaks, now works on WotLK with Alchemy, Cooking, and First Aid at least.`
`23:52.19`	`CIA-55`	`- If you're on beta (horde PVP) can you send the first aid books to Shadowackis (or get me a summon to Dalaran) please`
`23:52.37`	`Neya`	`if I'm not mistaken it will be able to take equal amount of damage before it breaks as fear from warlocks does.`
`23:53.17`	`Voliand`	`well a warlock can cast a second fear, charge, stun etc right after, a druid's only recourse would be bash`
`23:53.20`	`Trell_`	`how do I set the keybindings for Baggins? I want to set 'B' to open all bags >_<`
`23:53.44`	`Voliand`	`Trell_: the keybinding options in wow?...`
`23:53.53`	`Voliand`	`should be a baggins entry down there somewhere`
`23:54.11`	`nevcairiel`	`Man flourish is so seriously broken`
`23:54.18`	`Trell_`	`/facepalm`
`23:54.26`	`Trell_`	`thanks Voliand`
`23:54.33`	`Voliand`	`np`
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`23:54.51`	`Trell_`	`and finally one more thing - Bartender4, theres no config window for it? Or do I need a different version than the one on files.wowace.com`
`23:55.03`	`Neya`	`use /bt`
`23:55.03`	`Ackis`	`~wotlk`
`23:55.08`	`Ackis`	`isn't it /bt4 ?`
`23:55.12`	`Trell_`	`tried both`
`23:55.18`	`Trell_`	`and got no config or errors appear`
`23:55.21`	`Voliand`	`I use /bt4 dunno if /bt works`
`23:55.26`	`Diao`	`both work`
`23:55.26`	`Neya`	`I've never tried bt4, bt works for me.`
`23:55.33`	`Trell_`	`on the beta?`
`23:55.33`	`Voliand`	`kk`
`23:55.37`	`Diao`	`oh`
`23:55.39`	`Diao`	`on beta..`
`23:55.41`	`Neya`	`nope`
`23:55.43`	`Voliand`	`Trell_: gimme a key and I'll tell you`
`23:55.48`	`Trell_`	`sounds like a deal`
`23:55.51`	`Trell_`	`oh, wait`
`23:56.15`	`Neo\|Home`	`Trell_: afaik there's a wotlk branch?`
`23:56.26`	`Trell_`	`yeah checking that now`
`23:56.37`	`Neo\|Home`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Bartender4/WotlK/`
`23:56.44`	`Voliand`	`it can't page atm`
`23:56.47`	`Trell_`	`yup im there`
`23:56.55`	`Trell_`	`yeah I saw there was no paging earlier`
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`23:57.16`	`Voliand`	`I'm a druid, paging is kinda crucial...`
`23:57.36`	`Neya`	`I was thinking the same, but it should do the job for most that don't need the paging.`
`23:57.52`	`Voliand`	`everyone but me =P`
`23:58.30`	`Primer`	`Is there an addon that can communicate to other players what addons a player has installed and enabled?`
`23:58.41`	`Primer`	`basically, for enforcement of a specific set of addons`
`23:59.04`	`Voliand`	`?`
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`23:59.14`	`Voliand`	`ensure your dps got omen, or what?`
`23:59.21`	`Primer`	`yeah`
`23:59.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`So fun Aoe Grinding. SoC, SoC, <aggro a bunch of mobs>, Shadowflame, Shadowfury => bigbadabom and dead mobs`
`23:59.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`in theory`
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