IRC log for #wowace on 20080811

`00:00.07`	`p3lim`	`Im somewhat keen on rewriting BugSack using Ace3 instead of Ace2`
`00:00.42`	`*** join/#wowace ins\ (n=ins@83.101.37.100)`
`00:00.48`	Funkeh`	`make a branch`
`00:01.38`	`*** join/#wowace Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip28.net253.mw.net)`
`00:02.03`	`Stanzilla`	`there is a branch for that`
`00:02.03`	`ulic`	`p3lim: I think arrowmaster, started and then stopped, then I don't know that project yestereday.`
`00:02.04`	`Stanzilla`	`by Arrowmaster`
`00:02.08`	`Fisker-`	good night Funkeh`
`00:02.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`i tried to start it`
`00:02.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`then i realized i couldnt use AceBucket-3.0`
`00:02.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`and cried`
`00:02.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`because i dont want to rewrite that part`
`00:02.56`	`p3lim`	`couldnt use it?`
`00:03.12`	Funkeh`	`(too lazy to learn)`
`00:04.00`	`p3lim`	`:p`
`00:04.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`i changed !BugGrabber to use CallbackHandler-1.0 but not AceEvent-3.0`
`00:04.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`AceBucket-3.0 only works on AceEvent-3.0`
`00:05.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`and i would feel dirty if i just did a total hack and made all callbacks in BugSack just trigger AceEvent-3.0 messages`
`00:05.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`so that means i would need to rewrite all the stuff in BugSack that used bucket events`
`00:06.00`	Funkeh`	`I think it needs it to be honest`
`00:06.20`	`JerleMinara`	`deprecate ace2`
`00:06.26`	`JerleMinara`	`don't update it for wow`
`00:06.28`	`JerleMinara`	`err wotlk`
`00:06.31`	`JerleMinara`	`force people to change!`
`00:06.33`	Funkeh`	`not yet`
`00:06.58`	Funkeh`	`first we need to release ace3 :)`
`00:06.59`	`JerleMinara`	`we must fight the tyrany of obsolete code`
`00:07.04`	`p3lim`	`id say the same JerleMinara, but many authors still prefers Ace2 for some reason`
`00:07.15`	`JerleMinara`	`what exactly is acebucket?`
`00:07.17`	`CIA-45`	`03ulic * r80154 10PitBull/Aura/ (Frames.lua Update.lua): PitBull: Aura- Couple of bug fixes for WotLK compatibility`
`00:07.34`	Funkeh`	`Bucketing events with timers`
`00:07.45`	Funkeh`	`Don't think it's that useful`
`00:07.46`	`ashb_`	`come again?`
`00:08.09`	Funkeh`	`Probably about as useful as aceevent itself ;p`
`00:08.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`right now BugSack is bucketing all BugGrabbed and EventGrabbed to once every 2 seconds`
`00:08.33`	`p3lim`	`Gonna use a very modified tekErr for now`
`00:08.55`	`JerleMinara`	`what exactly do you mean by "bucketing" funkeh?`
`00:08.56`	`p3lim`	`I dont like having 1 copy of Embedded Ace2 in my addon folder`
`00:09.10`	`p3lim`	`while all my other addons uses Ace3`
`00:09.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`isnt tekErr just do what !BugGrabber does?`
`00:09.30`	`p3lim`	`tekErr is a full GUI lua error handler`
`00:09.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh it has a gui now?`
`00:09.54`	`p3lim`	`i think its had that since the start..`
`00:11.15`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: lol
`00:13.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`after looking at it, i still prefer the features of !BugGrabber/BugSack`
`00:13.39`	`p3lim`	`thats why I said heavily modified :p`
`00:13.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`although i would like to add another`
`00:13.48`	`nevcairiel`	`I was kinda thinking to change AceBucket to be a general bucket for any CallbackHandler`
`00:13.50`	`nevcairiel`	`but meh`
`00:14.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: it would be sweet if you would`
`00:14.23`	`nevcairiel`	`dont have the time right now anyway`
`00:14.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`could be extremely useful`
`00:14.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`well come up with how you want the api to work and maybe ill do the internal coding`
`00:15.05`	`nevcairiel`	`well the only place i ever used bucketing was on blizzard events`
`00:15.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`doesnt do APIs or GUIs well`
`00:15.19`	`nevcairiel`	`so i dunno`
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`00:20.35`	`Neo\|Home`	`hrm. MouseIsOver doesn't seem to work very well`
`00:22.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: actually i can make the change to AceBucket-3.0 perty easyly`
`00:23.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`weird so if I open the InterfaceOptions MouseIsOver stops workin`
`00:24.54`	`nevcairiel`	`Arrowmaster: well you need to tell it the object which contains CBH and the name of the Register/Unregister commands`
`00:24.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`it must be grabbing the mouse somehow`
`00:25.10`	`nevcairiel`	`however i would rather not break AceBucket`
`00:25.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`crap`
`00:25.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`i forgot about the Register/Unregister commands`
`00:26.15`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway, sleep time for me`
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`00:29.44`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r80155 10StatBlock_Durability/: StatBlock_Durability: svn props`
`00:30.05`	`sb`	`Tinyboom: http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/744/hardwaresz7.png :p better now? ;)`
`00:30.43`	Funkeh`	`Little christmas present?`
`00:30.59`	`Tinyboom`	`sb: looking better:) but missing cpu cooler now:)`
`00:31.06`	`sb`	`boxed`
`00:31.10`	`Tinyboom`	`irk`
`00:31.27`	`Tinyboom`	`you got bad hearing? hope so for your sake :p`
`00:31.47`	ag`	`imo there's still no reason to buy a quadcore if you're just playing games`
`00:31.59`	`sb`	ag`: i know :p
`00:32.12`	`Tinyboom`	ag`: price difference is so small it doesn't matter:)
`00:32.39`	`p3lim`	`idd, im gonna get quad too, just for the e-penis value`
`00:32.57`	`p3lim`	`it costs about the same as dual or tri core anyways`
`00:33.06`	ag`	`Tinyboom, not really, the Q9650 is 300% the price of the E8400`
`00:33.16`	ag`	`but it does look good if you post your specs on the internets, but that is all good you get from it`
`00:33.35`	`Tinyboom`	`hehe`
`00:34.01`	ag`	`E8400 is 3ghz and Q9650 is 3ghz`
`00:34.10`	ag`	`both will give the exact same fps in 95% of games`
`00:34.30`	`kaiden`	`only because 95% of games aren't cpu intensive`
`00:34.33`	`kaiden`	`they are gpu intensive`
`00:34.33`	`CIA-45`	`03zeksie * r80156 10ZOMGBuffs/ (ZOMGBuffs.lua ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs.lua):`
`00:34.33`	`CIA-45`	`ZOMGBuffs:`
`00:34.33`	`CIA-45`	`- Self buffs module will no longer try to cast Soul Link when pet does not exist.`
`00:34.33`	`CIA-45`	`- Small fix to popup list refresh problem after roster change.`
`00:34.34`	`kaiden`	`:)`
`00:34.58`	`Tinyboom`	`even a q6600 is more than enough atm:)`
`00:35.05`	`kaiden`	`indeed it is`
`00:35.11`	`Tinyboom`	`and for wow it's quite overkill`
`00:35.18`	`Resa`	`Yummy setup. Be careful on the timings of the RAM. Wrong timings have occasionally been known to crash wow.`
`00:35.20`	`kaiden`	`however, intel is talking about making GPU's nearly obsolete with their new cpu cores`
`00:35.29`	`kaiden`	`so... possibly in the future the faster will be all that's needed`
`00:35.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`Resa: ... what`
`00:36.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`please get a clue about how PCs work, first ;p`
`00:36.09`	`p3lim`	`http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1892/buyna9.jpg`
`00:36.14`	Funkeh`	`sure there is a reason for quad`
`00:36.22`	Funkeh`	`go get boinc and crunch something :P`
`00:36.23`	ag`	`what reason`
`00:36.33`	`sb`	`p3lim: no amd for me :)`
`00:36.34`	ag`	`people don't buy quads for that reason :P`
`00:36.34`	`p3lim`	`my to-be setup`
`00:36.50`	Funkeh`	ag`, to be quite honest, you would be suprised :PP
`00:36.59`	`kaiden`	`i like my amd phenom 9850`
`00:36.59`	ag`	`people buy quads for their epeen :P`
`00:37.02`	Funkeh`	`glanced their forums`
`00:37.08`	Funkeh`	`that too`
`00:37.15`	`kaiden`	ag`, not always.. some of us actually do work on them :)
`00:37.21`	`p3lim`	ag`: yep ;p
`00:37.24`	`kaiden`	`gaming isn't the sole purpose of computers ya know`
`00:37.30`	Funkeh`	`LIES`
`00:37.33`	`AcTiVaTe`	`is shocked`
`00:37.35`	`p3lim`	`i do play games, but not all the time`
`00:37.46`	ag`	`yes, some people need them for work, but for gaming quad is redundant, you still need to go for high clock instead`
`00:37.49`	Funkeh`	`In the future you will only have gpus in your computers!`
`00:38.16`	`p3lim`	`often my current comp (with amd 64 3500+) has issues with some programs (like ripping dvds, converting songs etc)`
`00:38.36`	`sb`	`so nothing terrible bad about my setup - besides that cpu cooler thingie, but i still can buy one later if it keeps annoying me`
`00:39.04`	`p3lim`	`sb: I want to recommend you the Asus Silent Knight II`
`00:39.11`	`sb`	`cooler?`
`00:39.13`	`p3lim`	`yep`
`00:39.15`	`kaiden`	`i need someone wiht really tiny hands to rebuild my computer and put in some water cooling for me`
`00:39.16`	`kaiden`	`haha`
`00:39.27`	Funkeh`	`rofl`
`00:39.30`	`kaiden`	`Ellipsis, you up for it?`
`00:39.33`	`Kemayo`	`harl: BankStackFu`
`00:39.40`	`p3lim`	`kaiden: aint got tiny hands but I sure can put in water cooling`
`00:39.46`	ag`	`well sb unless you're a programmer or a scientist I'd suggest you buy E8600 CPU instead`
`00:39.51`	`harl`	`Kemayo: thanks. already found it.`
`00:40.11`	`p3lim`	`btw`
`00:40.17`	`p3lim`	`why all the intel lovin'?`
`00:40.37`	`sb`	uhm ag` - its 200 eur compared to 240 eur!?
`00:40.51`	`kaiden`	`my partner and i put together our new computers here recently, got 2x nVidia GTX 280's 2x Phenom 9850's, 4gb ram, 2x Xaser VI cases, 2 Asus Crosshair II mobos and some other random junk`
`00:40.55`	`sb`	`okay - higher clock`
`00:40.59`	`kaiden`	`talking about spending a pretty penny...`
`00:41.20`	`Trell-`	`my nvidia 9800gx2 was my most recent purchase`
`00:41.22`	`Trell-`	`and I love it`
`00:41.35`	`Trell-`	`total overkill to be honest`
`00:41.40`	`DARKGuy`	`mine was 8600GT XXX factory-OCd, I'm pretty happy, can run UT3 @ everything maxed out at 1280x1024 ^^`
`00:41.45`	`kaiden`	`i'm a little disappointed in the GTX 280's..`
`00:41.51`	`kaiden`	`they aren't as powerful as i thought they would be for the money`
`00:41.53`	`Trell-`	`a cheaper 8800 gtx ultra wouldve done the same job`
`00:41.56`	ag`	`sb, the E8600 is 3.33 ghz, Q9550 is 2.83ghz`
`00:42.05`	`sb`	`yup`
`00:42.20`	`Diao`	`intel processors are superior`
`00:42.21`	`Diao`	`:\`
`00:42.30`	`Diao`	`amd hasn't been good since the x2 64's`
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`00:42.41`	Funkeh`	`I still cry at that`
`00:42.42`	ag`	`that makes E8600 cheaper and better for gaming`
`00:42.43`	`kaiden`	`i will give you that on the AMD first gen phenoms...`
`00:42.54`	`kaiden`	`however the later gen phenoms are actually really nice`
`00:42.58`	`sb`	`no more amd for me, sorry :) i'll stick to intel`
`00:43.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`kaiden: no doubt, guess why the 4870's made nvidia drop the 260's price so quickly :p`
`00:43.19`	`Diao`	`same, i will not buy amd again unless they completely dominate intel like they did when they first came out`
`00:43.26`	`kaiden`	`Gnarfoz, why's that, i haven't been watching hardware much lately`
`00:43.31`	`Diao`	`because intel just keeps making more and more advances while amd is playing catch-up`
`00:43.35`	`kaiden`	`i know i got a mail in saying they were refunding like 200$ to me`
`00:44.00`	`kaiden`	`Diao, there's 1 single reason for that`
`00:44.01`	`kaiden`	`ATI`
`00:44.12`	`Diao`	`what do you mean?`
`00:44.15`	`Diao`	`because they bought out ati?`
`00:44.29`	`kaiden`	`I imagine they are trying something new .. all speculation of course`
`00:44.39`	`kaiden`	`but i would if i were a company like that who had just wasted that much money`
`00:44.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`kaiden: can't really abridge it: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUyNCwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0`
`00:44.44`	`kaiden`	`try to salvage it into something`
`00:44.52`	`Diao`	`could be that they just made a huge mistake buying them out :p`
`00:44.54`	`Diao`	`it happens quite often`
`00:45.37`	`kaiden`	`oh i dont think anyone will disagree that it was a mistake`
`00:45.46`	`kaiden`	`i think they should have just let ATI burn`
`00:45.49`	`Diao`	`but yeah, unless they come out with something revolutionary`
`00:45.52`	`Diao`	`amd is basically screwed now`
`00:45.54`	`kaiden`	`but that's my own personal opinion on ATI :)`
`00:46.07`	`Diao`	`ati did well with the latest video cards`
`00:46.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`amd did, you meant`
`00:46.20`	`Diao`	`amd/ati`
`00:46.21`	`Diao`	`whatever`
`00:46.23`	`Diao`	`they're the same company`
`00:46.25`	`Diao`	`lol`
`00:46.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`indeed, so how can you say they're screwed.`
`00:46.38`	`Diao`	`i meant for processors`
`00:46.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`(just pointing out the obvious)`
`00:46.41`	`Diao`	`they're screwed :p`
`00:46.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's the same company.`
`00:46.49`	`kaiden`	`Diao, i wouldn't say they are screwed by any means`
`00:47.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`they're not screwed until they're gone. I'd rather have a weak competitor to intel and to nvidia, than none at all`
`00:47.35`	`kaiden`	`we can't begin to imagine the kind of backing they have`
`00:47.35`	`kaiden`	`and getting screwed isn't really an option`
`00:47.40`	`kaiden`	`i'm glad nVidia is about to back out of the chipset market..`
`00:47.43`	`kaiden`	`they need to just stick to GPU's`
`00:47.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`mhh crap, I don't think I can put in a floppy drive into my box while it's running :[`
`00:47.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`kaiden: they are not.`
`00:48.09`	`kaiden`	`Gnarfoz, well i know they had posed the question to all the hardware makers`
`00:48.14`	`kaiden`	`and most of them said yes please.. leave`
`00:48.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`kaiden: erm, whatever you read... it's wrong >_>`
`00:48.32`	`p3lim`	`hm i need a new rig, pref something between 1-1200$, anyone wanna help on setup?`
`00:48.40`	`Diao`	`nvidia chipsets have been pretty solid quality though`
`00:48.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`and nvidia's mobo chipsets are some of the best ever made, guess why they're so popular? :p`
`00:48.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`nvidia's mobo chipsets are total crap`
`00:49.02`	`p3lim`	`only criteria is that its nVidia gfx`
`00:49.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: because you say so? :p`
`00:49.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`because the fuckers dont support their own products`
`00:49.16`	`Diao`	`every nforce mobo i've had (bought 4 so far) have been awesome`
`00:49.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah, they don't? how's that`
`00:49.25`	`Diao`	`has been* rather`
`00:49.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`when they release a new one your fucked for driver updates`
`00:49.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`no?`
`00:49.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`00:49.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`because they use the same driver anyway?`
`00:49.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`kaiden: http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MzQwNTIsQXVndXN0ICAgLDIwMDgsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=`
`00:49.54`	`Diao`	`by the time i need a new driver, i need a new system anyway`
`00:50.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`except they tell the installer it wont work on older chipsets`
`00:50.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`and people have to modifiy the installer for you`
`00:50.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`erm, what kind of age difference are you implying there?`
`00:50.24`	`p3lim`	`Arrowmaster: Ive had nVidia NF4, ever`
`00:50.32`	`p3lim`	`never had any issues with it*`
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`00:50.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`like, install todays drivers on nf2?`
`00:50.48`	`Diao`	`i've had nf3, 4, 680i, 780i`
`00:50.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`which won't have improvements for nf2 anyway, so you could just as well use older ones intended for it?`
`00:50.52`	`Diao`	`no issues with any of them`
`00:50.53`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`http://helmer3.sfe.se/`
`00:50.53`	`Resa`	`Gnar, I do. I'm a tech support junkie, who's seen it all. One person fixed their constant 134 crashings by fixing their RAM timings. :)`
`00:50.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`as soon as the nf3 came out yes they did fuck over everybody with an nf2`
`00:51.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`I simply haven't run into the problem you're describing`
`00:51.04`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`thats some gpu heavy rig ;)`
`00:51.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`except the older nf2 drivers arent stable with newer drivers of other stuff`
`00:51.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`Resa: highlight properly. and then: whatever he did to fix them was certainly not something that can be done by buying "the right stuff"`
`00:51.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`you can't buy settings.`
`00:51.53`	`Resa`	`Duh`
`00:52.04`	`Resa`	`Comp recognized wrong settings.`
`00:52.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`so?`
`00:52.16`	`p3lim`	`wtb comp for 1100$`
`00:52.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`user error, as always`
`00:52.27`	`*** join/#wowace steino (n=steino@ti531210a080-5721.bb.online.no)`
`00:52.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`don't rely on SPD timings with cheap ram`
`00:52.39`	`JerleMinara`	`i spent 800 bucks on my comp and its' pretty beastly`
`00:52.45`	`JerleMinara`	`if you're not looking to overclock`
`00:52.50`	`p3lim`	`(norwegian prices)`
`00:52.55`	`JerleMinara`	`q9300, 4 gigs of ram, ati 4850`
`00:53.02`	`sb`	`err FtH\|Daemona`
`00:53.09`	`sb`	`no sleep? :p`
`00:53.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`obviously not?`
`00:53.18`	`p3lim`	`JerleMinara: something like that would cost 1500$ where i live`
`00:53.20`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`na it bugged me as i couldnt find it again ;)`
`00:53.24`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`and now i go... ;)`
`00:53.28`	`sb`	`haha :p`
`00:53.33`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`breakfast scheduled in 6 hours`
`00:53.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`make that 4 hours, for me :p`
`00:53.55`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`your fault not mine Gnarfoz ;)`
`00:54.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`pff pick up some pvp quests! :p`
`00:54.06`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`goes poof.`
`00:55.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`funny thing about that gpu card 4 pflops machine is: it seems to not use cables. :D`
`00:56.47`	`kaiden`	`it beams the graphics into your brain`
`00:56.48`	`kaiden`	`duh`
`00:56.49`	`kaiden`	`:P`
`00:56.58`	`p3lim`	`EVGA nForce 750i SLI FTW any good?`
`00:57.10`	`p3lim`	`(mb)`
`00:57.27`	`kaiden`	`depends are you on a budget?`
`00:57.35`	`kaiden`	`if you are then yeah, if not then i would get one of the newer ones`
`00:57.40`	`kaiden`	`if sticking with intel get a 790i`
`00:57.44`	`kaiden`	`if not get a 780a`
`00:58.55`	`p3lim`	`budget :<`
`00:59.35`	`durcyn`	`790i have all kinds of problems, get a p45 unless you think you need sli for some reason`
`00:59.36`	`p3lim`	`gonna get the 750i + E8500`
`00:59.48`	`p3lim`	`I have no need for SLI whatsoever`
`01:00.09`	`p3lim`	`on my current NF4 MB I had the option to put on SLI or not, i chose not to`
`01:00.29`	`durcyn`	`some 750 or 780 are decent, as well, tbh, but you can at least get ddr3 with a p45`
`01:00.57`	`durcyn`	`whereas for nforce that means 790i, which seem to be failing right and left`
`01:01.32`	`p3lim`	`DDR3 seems pricy`
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`01:09.45`	`sb`	`bah! dealer doesnt allow CC payment`
`01:09.47`	`sb`	`sigh`
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`01:39.04`	`p3lim`	`hm`
`01:39.24`	`p3lim`	`anyone know a good nVidia GFX around 250$?`
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`01:41.55`	`Industrial`	`p3lim: 8800's ? maybe something from the 9k series`
`01:42.11`	`Ellipsis`	`9800s are in that range`
`01:42.15`	`Ellipsis`	`at least on newegg :P`
`01:42.19`	`Chompers`	`what about the 260s?`
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`02:05.36`	`CIA-45`	`picoexp: 03Tekkub 07master * r873aa32 10/ changelog.txt : Update changelog for 2.4.3.1-Beta`
`02:05.36`	`CIA-45`	`picoexp: 03Tekkub 07master * r34eaf94 10/ (README.textile picoEXP.toc): Weekly build 2.4.3.1-Beta`
`02:05.37`	`CIA-45`	`picoexp: 03Tekkub 07master * rcd19f38 10/ : Merge commit '2.4.3.1-Beta'`
`02:10.58`	`p3lim`	`tekkub where did you commit that to?`
`02:11.27`	`Tekkub`	`same place as always`
`02:24.50`	`CIA-45`	`03batrick * r80157 10Spellcraft/ (10 files): Spellcraft: Updated to v1.116`
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`02:40.08`	`Diao`	`git.tekkub.net i presume`
`02:41.58`	`Stanzilla`	`http://github.com/tekkub`
`02:46.05`	`JerleMinara`	`wish there was a git client half as nice as tortoisesvn`
`02:46.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`git client is fine`
`02:46.53`	`Yssaril`	`am actually starting to like the git client i think tortoise is making windows less stable`
`02:47.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`i refuse to use tortoise because of the way it hooks explorer`
`02:47.25`	`nymbia`	`yeah, tortise slows things down in nasty ways for me`
`02:47.54`	`JerleMinara`	`i like the hooks`
`02:48.19`	`Yssaril`	`only one thing i would love to see added is the ability to be able to open files into your prefered editor from within gitgui`
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`03:08.37`	`binder`	`are there any full replacements for auctioneer? I've tried vendor, undercut so far they don't do what I want`
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`03:08.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`03:09.47`	`binder`	`I guess it works pretty well, I just hate that it's not in WAU :)`
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`03:13.25`	`Hesselgrinch`	`Hello moders!`
`03:13.50`	`Hesselgrinch`	`just wondering in anyone in here was familar with the toggle actionbar commands?`
`03:13.59`	`Hesselgrinch`	`How to I swich actionbar in a macro etc?`
`03:16.35`	`p3lim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:16.48`	`p3lim`	`x beeing from, y beeing to`
`03:16.50`	`Shefki`	`Or /changeactionbar x`
`03:17.06`	`Shefki`	`And the one p3lim will just toggle between the two it isn't from -> to`
`03:17.39`	`p3lim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:17.52`	`Shefki`	`Right but if you're on page 3 it'll go to 1.`
`03:18.00`	`p3lim`	`yes`
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`03:19.04`	`Hesselgrinch`	`ok so`
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`03:19.23`	`Hesselgrinch`	`I just want to always set page 1 when I change form (im a druid)`
`03:19.33`	`Shefki`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:19.39`	`Hesselgrinch`	`thanks alot guys`
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`03:47.06`	`theoddone33`	`feel like I'm cheating`
`03:47.12`	`theoddone33`	`getting 3x XP with a trial account`
`03:47.44`	`theoddone33`	`pretty much working as intended though`
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`03:49.49`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: i have this 1.4 spd OH weapon, and i have a vengful 1.5 spd OH.`
`03:49.51`	`aestil`	`both have enchants and what not.`
`03:49.56`	`aestil`	`the 1.5 OH has slightly higher DPS.`
`03:50.05`	`aestil`	`i can't remember the names of the weapons.`
`03:51.14`	`kaiden`	`theoddone33 that's the point of recruiting :)`
`03:51.25`	`kaiden`	`trial accounts can't go past lvl 10 though right?`
`03:51.39`	`theoddone33`	`they don't need to`
`03:51.47`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32369`
`03:51.51`	`aestil`	`thats the faster weapon.`
`03:52.01`	`aestil`	`the other one is vengeful glad`
`03:52.06`	`aestil`	`do you know which is better?`
`03:52.10`	`theoddone33`	`regardless of your level you just summon your "friend" to where you are when you turn in quests`
`03:52.11`	`aestil`	`or any rogue really?`
`03:52.17`	`theoddone33`	`assuming it's not in outland or silvermoon`
`03:52.26`	`theoddone33`	`and you get 3x the xp for the turnin`
`03:52.59`	`kaiden`	`oh dang.. that's nice`
`03:53.29`	`theoddone33`	`I think they designed it in because it still has a lot of potential to get them a couple extra subscriptions`
`03:53.38`	`theoddone33`	`and they're not getting any money off my alts now, but with this maybe they will`
`03:53.55`	`Zeroyez`	`thank god it got my girlfriend into the game`
`03:54.20`	`theoddone33`	`heh`
`03:54.33`	`Zeroyez`	`i've been trying to get her to play it for months but she kept complaining about levelling and this finally got her :P`
`03:55.01`	`theoddone33`	`the potential for leveling quickly with it is... ridiculous`
`03:55.10`	`theoddone33`	`60 in under 2 days is probably easily attainable`
`03:55.24`	`theoddone33`	`I'd guess closer to 30 hours`
`03:56.22`	`kaiden`	`yeah but only if you already have money on the server`
`03:56.28`	`kaiden`	`as it doesn't triple your money :) just the xp`
`03:56.45`	`theoddone33`	`mmm not sure what money has to do with it, unless you're leveling a super gear-dependant class`
`03:56.58`	`kaiden`	`uhm.. paying for training....`
`03:57.02`	`theoddone33`	`oh`
`03:57.06`	`Zeroyez`	`psssh copper`
`03:57.14`	`theoddone33`	`not really a problem for me`
`03:57.19`	`theoddone33`	`when I rerolled`
`03:57.30`	`Zeroyez`	`yeah really you should get enough money from quests to train anyways`
`03:57.49`	`theoddone33`	`anyway if you're recruiting a friend it implies a high(er) level character on the server`
`03:57.59`	`theoddone33`	`unless you choose a differnet server for some reason`
`03:58.32`	`Zeroyez`	`imo they should make the recruit a friend "free month" a choice between it and "free transfer"`
`03:59.56`	`theoddone33`	`can you make more than one toon on a trial account?`
`04:00.00`	`theoddone33`	`I just had an even better idea`
`04:00.07`	`Zeroyez`	`yeah you can`
`04:00.22`	`theoddone33`	`stick level 1 alts in all the inns you want and get hearths to 8 places once an hour`
`04:00.42`	`Zeroyez`	`hahaha`
`04:01.14`	`theoddone33`	`you get 10 days on each trial`
`04:01.19`	`Diao`	`aestil: if you have an arena weapon it is better than savagery`
`04:01.21`	`theoddone33`	`so 50 days of that without paying a dime`
`04:01.44`	`Diao`	`only weapons better than s3 are glaives and s4/sunwell`
`04:01.46`	`theoddone33`	`but you'll only need like a week and a half to get to 50`
`04:01.48`	`theoddone33`	`er 60`
`04:01.48`	`Zeroyez`	`really if I had the ability to summon my friend then I'd probably go to westfall or something and put water breathing on and go deep in the ocean then summon`
`04:01.56`	`Zeroyez`	`because I'm cruel like that`
`04:02.28`	`Trell-`	`awwww`
`04:02.48`	`Trell-`	`wanted to see how far I could take the bloodworm spam, so I decided to go see how I'd fare soloing strat`
`04:02.57`	`Trell-`	`(level 59)`
`04:03.11`	`Trell-`	`made it past the first few packs fine, then mispulled and got 2 packs >_<`
`04:03.15`	`Zeroyez`	`well, it's not as bad as this one time I hired a warlock to summon my whole raiding guild off a floating island in nagrand`
`04:03.19`	`Trell-`	`up till then it was going great`
`04:04.24`	`aestil`	`vengful is better than savegry diao?`
`04:04.25`	`aestil`	`S3?`
`04:04.27`	`Diao`	`yes`
`04:04.29`	`kaiden`	`Zeroyez, it is sad that they fell for it that many times`
`04:04.32`	`Diao`	`s3 > all bt except glaives`
`04:04.35`	`Diao`	`and mh`
`04:04.36`	`aestil`	`i did 2330 dps on brutalis`
`04:04.48`	`aestil`	`with 2 drums`
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`04:04.54`	`aestil`	`and using that savegry`
`04:05.54`	`Diao`	`should aim for s4 sword :p`
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`04:16.53`	`nymbia`	`~seen nargiddley`
`04:16.56`	`purl`	`nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 23h 11m 44s ago, saying: 'save a reference to it when you create it, assuming you create them in lua'.`
`04:18.07`	`CIA-45`	`03nymbia 07WotLK * r80158 10SpellBinder/SpellBinder.lua:`
`04:18.07`	`CIA-45`	`SpellBinder:`
`04:18.07`	`CIA-45`	`- Clean up some scoping, macro functionality done.`
`04:22.46`	`theoddone33`	`this in-game leveling guide mod is interesting`
`04:22.53`	`theoddone33`	`but the actual guide is kind of wacky`
`04:23.32`	`theoddone33`	`it's nice, though... puts a catographer dot/arrow on for every step`
`04:25.09`	`Trell-`	`Tourguide perchance?`
`04:25.34`	`theoddone33`	`it'ts some zygor guides thing I paid for :(`
`04:25.42`	`Trell-`	`>_>`
`04:25.47`	`Trell-`	`shouldve got tourguide for free`
`04:25.54`	`Trell-`	`does the same by the sounds of it`
`04:25.58`	`theoddone33`	`I still can!`
`04:26.00`	`Trell-`	`Tourguide is win`
`04:26.11`	`Trell-`	`made by your very own Tekkub.`
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`04:27.32`	`theoddone33`	`I'd be morbidly amused if it's the same mod`
`04:27.45`	`theoddone33`	`with a different name and a $30 leveling guide attached`
`04:27.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`its not`
`04:28.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`zygor wrote something (had something written?) thats cartographer specific i think`
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`04:28.42`	`theoddone33`	`yeah requires cartographer`
`04:28.57`	`theoddone33`	`it's not bad`
`04:29.02`	`theoddone33`	`trying tourguide next time I relog`
`04:29.42`	`theoddone33`	`if it's better I may do some python magic to convert the zygor data`
`04:29.43`	`theoddone33`	`heh`
`04:32.32`	`JerleMinara`	`stupid question.. in the context of a shaman what is UR`
`04:32.48`	`Diao`	`unleashed rage`
`04:32.53`	`Diao`	`10% extra ap to party on crit`
`04:33.07`	`theoddone33`	`stacks?`
`04:33.14`	`Zeroyez`	`tourguide appears to be a bit old`
`04:33.31`	`Diao`	`erm`
`04:33.33`	`Diao`	`no idea if it stacks`
`04:33.39`	`Diao`	`because who actually brings more than 1 enh shaman to anything?`
`04:33.46`	`theoddone33`	`I mean`
`04:33.53`	`theoddone33`	`5 crits = 5 charges kind of stacks`
`04:33.54`	`nymbia`	`be a little OP if it stacked O.o`
`04:34.07`	`theoddone33`	`yeah I guess so`
`04:34.15`	`theoddone33`	`refreshes I guess`
`04:34.21`	`Diao`	`oh, no`
`04:34.22`	`Diao`	`it doesn't stack`
`04:34.23`	`Diao`	`it refreshes`
`04:34.39`	`Diao`	`apparently someone who has tested it says it will not stack with multiple shaman either`
`04:34.52`	`JerleMinara`	`evidently abomination's might won't stack with UR`
`04:35.00`	`JerleMinara`	`and icy talons doesn't stack with WF`
`04:35.10`	`Diao`	`oh`
`04:35.13`	`Diao`	`yeah makes sense`
`04:35.15`	`Diao`	`it's the same kind of buff`
`04:35.27`	`Zeroyez`	`oh btw do you guys have experience running wow in wine?`
`04:35.39`	`Zeroyez`	`been wanting that forever, and it's kinda meh`
`04:35.50`	`theoddone33`	`I've heard of people doing it`
`04:35.53`	`theoddone33`	`I assumed it worked "ok"`
`04:35.55`	`erikh`	`there are plenty of people doing it`
`04:35.57`	`fewyn`	`it's easy Zeroyez`
`04:36.01`	`fewyn`	`just install wine`
`04:36.01`	`erikh`	`check the winehq pages on it`
`04:36.05`	`fewyn`	`and wine wow.exe`
`04:36.08`	`fewyn`	`i've had no issue`
`04:36.15`	`Zeroyez`	`when I try it all I get are a grey screen with dark grey boxes where buttons should be`
`04:36.16`	`erikh`	`you have to tweak it a bit for an ATI card`
`04:36.19`	`erikh`	`unless that's changed`
`04:36.28`	`Zeroyez`	`I have an ATI HD 4870`
`04:36.31`	`fewyn`	`Zeroyez: you need drivers installed`
`04:36.31`	`JerleMinara`	`i need to put joana's guide into tourguide`
`04:36.37`	`erikh`	`Zeroyez: yeah, you need to check the wine pages`
`04:36.38`	`fewyn`	`install the ati drivers then`
`04:36.44`	`erikh`	`tehre are specific tweaks that go into the wow .ini files`
`04:36.47`	`erikh`	`for ATI cards.`
`04:36.48`	`Zeroyez`	`yeah I have catalyst 8.7 fglrx installed :S`
`04:36.52`	`fewyn`	`and you need to turn on opengl`
`04:36.57`	`fewyn`	`for wow`
`04:36.57`	`Diao`	`lolati :(`
`04:36.59`	`fewyn`	`iirc`
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`04:37.07`	`Zeroyez`	`opengl = grey box dark grey elsewhere`
`04:37.14`	`fewyn`	`ati+linux=notgoodcombo`
`04:37.17`	`erikh`	`Zeroyez: seriously, check the damn pages :)`
`04:37.18`	`Zeroyez`	`directx = 2.4 fps but stuff shows up`
`04:37.24`	`erikh`	`i got it working just great`
`04:37.26`	`erikh`	`it was more than opengl`
`04:37.27`	`Zeroyez`	`I did, I tried several guides`
`04:37.36`	`Gary13579`	`Anyone here know much about Bartender4?`
`04:37.41`	`Zeroyez`	`yeah, disabling shaders, etc.`
`04:37.51`	`JerleMinara`	`i use it`
`04:37.52`	`JerleMinara`	`what's up gary`
`04:38.06`	`Gary13579`	`Installed it but no bars are showing up`
`04:38.10`	`Zeroyez`	`but i'm guessing it's ATI as their drivers are absolutely terrible`
`04:38.14`	`Gary13579`	`/bt followed by hitting unlock doesn't show any`
`04:38.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`where did you install it from?`
`04:38.34`	`Diao`	`are any bars enabled?`
`04:38.46`	`Gary13579`	`don't see an option for that`
`04:38.52`	`Gary13579`	`Arrowmaster: files.wowace.com`
`04:38.53`	`Diao`	`select the bar`
`04:38.56`	`Diao`	`like bar 1`
`04:38.59`	`Diao`	`and see if it's enabled :p`
`04:39.26`	`Gary13579`	`http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08331/wowscrnshot_081008_233909765.jpg`
`04:39.28`	`Gary13579`	`screenshot`
`04:39.36`	`Gary13579`	`I assume bars are supposed to be listed in the left`
`04:39.43`	`Diao`	`erm`
`04:39.44`	`Diao`	`yes`
`04:39.55`	`Diao`	`it seems your install is messed up :p`
`04:40.09`	`JerleMinara`	`way to break it`
`04:40.11`	`JerleMinara`	`you're fired!`
`04:40.12`	`Diao`	`oh, you're on beta`
`04:40.17`	`Gary13579`	`heh`
`04:40.18`	`Diao`	`you probably need the beta branch`
`04:40.21`	`Diao`	`not the live one :)`
`04:40.25`	`Gary13579`	`ahh, well`
`04:40.28`	`JerleMinara`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Bartender4/WotLK`
`04:40.36`	`JerleMinara`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Bartender4/WotlK`
`04:40.37`	`JerleMinara`	`rather`
`04:40.38`	`Gary13579`	`404`
`04:40.40`	`Gary13579`	`ty :P`
`04:40.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`and you should probably disable most of your addons`
`04:40.59`	`Diao`	`why is the l not capitalised :(`
`04:41.06`	`Gary13579`	`Any zip or do I have to download an svn prog :/`
`04:41.08`	`JerleMinara`	`who knows`
`04:41.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`because nev fails`
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`04:41.13`	`JerleMinara`	`svn prog`
`04:41.34`	`Zeroyez`	`hmm, do you guys know if anyone actually makes data files for tourguide?`
`04:41.40`	`JerleMinara`	`they're easy to do`
`04:41.43`	`Groktar`	`msg nickserv identify 5135@stfu`
`04:41.46`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm about to go convert joana's into a tourguide`
`04:42.04`	`JerleMinara`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:42.05`	`JerleMinara`	`darn`
`04:42.05`	`JerleMinara`	`:(`
`04:42.12`	`Groktar`	`lol`
`04:42.14`	`Groktar`	`i changed it`
`04:42.15`	`Groktar`	`><`
`04:42.17`	`Zeroyez`	`reaaally :o`
`04:42.20`	`JerleMinara`	`i tried`
`04:42.27`	`JerleMinara`	`7 sceonds after you said that line`
`04:42.29`	`JerleMinara`	`:(`
`04:42.31`	`Diao`	`lol`
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`04:42.50`	`Diao`	`auto-id script ftw`
`04:42.58`	`JerleMinara`	`never disconnecting ftw`
`04:43.06`	`Groktar`	`jerle is a meanie`
`04:43.07`	`Diao`	`well, i don't use irssi :(`
`04:43.54`	`Diao`	`i don't have a shell account to use it with anyway`
`04:44.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`Gary13579: you can use http://downloads.nevcairiel.net/addons/wotlk/Bartender4-WotLK-r79953.zip instead of installing an svn client`
`04:44.44`	`Gary13579`	`Arrowmaster: I hate you.`
`04:44.53`	`Diao`	`lol.`
`04:44.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`i didnt have a link to it earlyer`
`04:45.00`	`Groktar`	`msg nickserv identify 5135@stfu`
`04:45.11`	`Groktar`	`waits`
`04:45.15`	`Zeroyez`	`i want to get into lua some time, i know pascal & php & msl to the point i know just about everything but lua looks complicated :S`
`04:45.42`	`Gary13579`	`Arrowmaster: actually just logged into my svn to pull it, then ftp to transfer it to my pc`
`04:45.43`	`Diao`	`it shouldn't be any more complicated than any other language, really`
`04:45.58`	`Groktar`	`so i really changed my password to that nonsense and now nobody will ghost me`
`04:46.08`	`Zeroyez`	`by the way why not just use "ns id" instead of "msg nickserv identify"`
`04:46.24`	`Gary13579`	`a lot of servers don't support /ns`
`04:46.34`	`Groktar`	`thought this one didn't`
`04:46.35`	`Zeroyez`	`this one does :P`
`04:46.45`	`Groktar`	`some let you just /identify`
`04:47.50`	`Zeroyez`	`i tried making an irc server once v.v`
`04:47.50`	`Groktar`	`usually if /identify doesn't work i assume i have to type in everything`
`04:51.20`	`erikh`	`i can't wait until more clients start supporting the nickserv extensions that a lot of ircds support`
`04:51.40`	`erikh`	`so you can just type in your password into your client and not have to use the slash commands at all.`
`04:52.09`	`Gary13579`	`Yup, that fixed it :D`
`04:52.32`	`Gary13579`	`Zeroyez: I've made clients, and a few console games that used IRC as a multi player engine`
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`04:53.27`	`CIA-45`	`03nymbia 07WotLK * r80159 10SpellBinder/SpellBinder.lua:`
`04:53.27`	`CIA-45`	`SpellBinder:`
`04:53.28`	`CIA-45`	`- Items.`
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`04:57.01`	`Gary13579`	`bars are showing up`
`04:57.04`	`Gary13579`	`but I can't config them`
`04:58.09`	`Gary13579`	`I am getting a swatter box when typing /bt`
`04:58.26`	`Gary13579`	`http://pastebin.com/m5fb1acf6`
`05:01.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf`
`05:01.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`maybe nev messed up on his zip`
`05:01.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`seems you need to use svn`
`05:01.53`	`Ackis`	`i hate people`
`05:01.55`	`Ackis`	`so much`
`05:01.58`	`Ackis`	`so very very much`
`05:02.02`	`Ackis`	`that is all`
`05:02.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`since the Ace3 WotLK files dont seem to be in there, or the old ones are being loaded somewhere else`
`05:02.45`	`Gary13579`	`Arrowmaster: I did use the svn`
`05:03.14`	`Gary13579`	`and the old ones being loaded would fuck it up?`
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`05:03.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`05:04.32`	`Gary13579`	`so I can't use any ace2 addons :/ ?`
`05:04.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`05:04.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`the Ace3 for live being loaded can mess up the Ace3 for beta i think`
`05:06.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes i just confirmed it`
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`05:06.21`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: Doesn't this give you nightmares?`
`05:06.27`	`Xuerian`	`I mean, like, while you're sleeping? >.>`
`05:06.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`what?`
`05:08.23`	`Ackis`	`PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID`
`05:09.03`	`erikh`	`well duh`
`05:09.15`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: Dealing with ace issues`
`05:09.43`	`Gary13579`	`Downloaded Ace3 WotLK branch, deleted a ton of mods I can live without`
`05:09.45`	`Gary13579`	`and it works now`
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`05:14.33`	`CIA-45`	`03arrowmaster 07WotLK * r80160 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/ (AceGUIWidget-TabGroup.lua AceGUIWidget-TreeGroup.lua): Ace3: bump version numbers of AceGUI-3.0 widgets fixed for WotLK so they correctly replace previous ones`
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`05:23.51`	`Ironhand`	`I'm looking for an addon to access spells that I don't use often enough to justify an action button, but still don't want to search around in my Spellbook for them, maybe some type of menu that can be called up... can someone recommend an addon that can do what I want?`
`05:25.45`	`Xuerian`	`Ironhand: OPie`
`05:26.01`	`Xuerian`	`Not quite sure it works in WotLK yet, if that's where you want it...`
`05:26.24`	`Groktar`	`i just set a bar to show on mouseover`
`05:26.45`	`Ironhand`	`no, plain old boring WoW - thx Xuerian, I'll have a look at that`
`05:27.10`	`Ironhand`	`tried mouseover bars but I end up clicking them by accident at inconvenient times`
`05:27.11`	`Xuerian`	`Ironhand: Well it's awesome for that`
`05:28.42`	`Ironhand`	`it does indeed look like exactly the sort of thing I need, thanks again`
`05:29.04`	`Xuerian`	`Sure, thank foxlit in #wowuidev if you like it, he's the author`
`05:29.10`	`Xuerian`	`Not on now, but anyways..`
`05:29.22`	`Ironhand`	`will do after I play around with it for a bit`
`05:30.29`	`CIA-45`	`03LordFarlander * r80161 10LibLordFarlander-2.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs):`
`05:30.29`	`CIA-45`	`LibLordFarlander-2.0:`
`05:30.29`	`CIA-45`	`- New count function`
`05:30.29`	`CIA-45`	`- Added Lucky Pig`
`05:31.37`	`CIA-45`	`03LordFarlander * r80162 10Coconuts/ (Coconuts.lua locals/localisation.lua):`
`05:31.37`	`CIA-45`	`Coconuts:`
`05:31.37`	`CIA-45`	`- Massive changes to the favorites and zone favorites`
`05:31.37`	`CIA-45`	`- Will only update bags that have changed`
`05:31.37`	`CIA-45`	`- WotLK support, including passenger mounts (well, when there are some)`
`05:32.21`	`CIA-45`	`03LordFarlander * r80163 10MiniPet/MiniPet.lua:`
`05:32.21`	`CIA-45`	`MiniPet:`
`05:32.21`	`CIA-45`	`- Changed to use count function`
`05:32.21`	`CIA-45`	`- Spell support fixified`
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`05:45.30`	`Xinhuan`	`what's the native resolution of a 22" widescreen anyone?`
`05:46.21`	`Diao`	`1680x1050?`
`05:46.29`	`Xinhuan`	`what screen size is 1920x1200 then`
`05:46.47`	`Diao`	`uhh`
`05:46.58`	`Diao`	`24+?`
`05:47.20`	`Diao`	`i think there may be a few select 22" that are 1920x1200`
`05:47.26`	`Diao`	`but it's not common`
`05:47.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`23"`
`05:47.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is uncommon too`
`05:49.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`god damnit who the fuck got their svk properties on the svn`
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`05:51.04`	`Kalroth`	`1920x1200 is a common laptop resolution - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WUXGA`
`05:51.21`	`Thrae`	`http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208794135 <-- 22" 16x50 for $180 including shipping`
`05:51.44`	`Xinhuan`	`ok but why would you use 1920x1200 on a laptop with a small creen?`
`05:51.46`	`Xinhuan`	`screen`
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`05:51.56`	`Kalroth`	`Xinhuan: You got big eyes? :p`
`05:52.08`	`Cartas`	`I wouldn't say it was common, Kalroth.`
`05:52.25`	`Kalroth`	`Dunno, we got 3-4 at work with that resolution`
`05:52.46`	`Xinhuan`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg`
`05:52.56`	`Xinhuan`	`zomg at the amount of space`
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`05:53.13`	`Xinhuan`	`and how small CGA is haha`
`05:53.41`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r80164 10GatherMate/ (Constants.lua Locales/GatherMate-enUS.lua): GatherMate: fixed typo in rich cobalt node`
`05:53.42`	`Thrae`	`1920x1200 is a high-end laptop resolution and not common. The reason people buy 1920x1200 laptops is mainly to play 1080P (Blu-ray) movies and upscaled DVD content.`
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`05:55.02`	`Diao`	`watching movies on laptops is fail :(`
`05:55.05`	`Thrae`	`The common 14" laptop resolution is 1280x800, and the common 17" laptop resolution is 1440x900.`
`05:55.25`	`Diao`	`but then, i guess it would be good for traveling or something`
`05:55.25`	`Cartas`	`What about 15.4"?`
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`05:56.03`	`Thrae`	`15.4" might still be 1280x800, but could also be 1440x900.`
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`05:56.48`	`Thrae`	`17" laptops may also be 1680x1050.`
`05:57.07`	`Cartas`	`I couldn't live with a 1440*900 resolution... poor laptop users!`
`05:57.17`	`Thrae`	`or 1680x1200. Anyway, there's no good standards here.`
`05:57.28`	`CIA-45`	`03Allara 07WotLK * r80165 10HitsMode/ (7 files in 2 dirs): HitsMode: Initial fixes for WotLK support`
`05:58.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`seeing 8:5 on that image just looks weird`
`05:58.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`since its more common to call it 16:10 because of 16:9`
`05:59.21`	`Thrae`	`My monitor is 16:10. What's weird about it?`
`05:59.24`	`Diao`	`1.6:1!`
`05:59.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`not its weird seeing it listed as 8:5 instead of 16:10`
`06:00.13`	`Thrae`	`Oh, right. Yes, 8:5 is weird as hell.`
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`06:42.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`improvement`
`06:44.14`	`Fisker-`	`Any paladins here btw?`
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`07:04.18`	`CIA-45`	`picodps: 03Tekkub 07master * rb528339 10/ picoDPS.lua : Fix error when loggin in in a party`
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`07:24.00`	`Aeyan`	`Can you modify a server stored cvar?`
`07:24.32`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`probably by issueing a client side update on the cvar? ;)`
`07:25.13`	`Aeyan`	`Maybe, I was seeing if you knew for a fact =P`
`07:25.26`	`Aeyan`	`Problem #2 being I don't know the name of the new cvar`
`07:27.05`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`then perhaps you should refine your question ;)`
`07:27.22`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`nonetheless...of to work i go ...`
`07:28.11`	`Aeyan`	`Bleh`
`07:35.01`	`Fisker-`	`~cartographer3`
`07:35.01`	`purl`	`methinks cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523`
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`07:52.58`	`orionshock`	`so is no one playing pvp in beta that's a UI author?`
`07:54.12`	`Elkano`	`why should we?`
`07:54.23`	`orionshock`	`just wondering`
`07:54.57`	`Aiiane`	`I have my 70 priest on lich king, orionshock. haven't been playing her though`
`07:55.01`	`Aiiane`	`mostly just on northrend`
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`07:58.24`	`JerleMinara`	`why in the name of god would aynone want to deal with corpse camping and shit during a beta orion?`
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`08:03.41`	`orionshock`	`it's part of the game`
`08:04.06`	`orionshock`	`pvp is part of the game that indeed has to be tested`
`08:04.26`	`orionshock`	`otherwise a go part of the player base will QQ; then again they will qq anyways :\`
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`08:16.32`	`orionshock`	`?`
`08:16.41`	`orionshock`	`they added Low Level quests to the tracking menu`
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`08:22.23`	`Zyndrome`	`god, can't people tell between a legit and fake beta invite? ... "the mail's from blizzard@nigeria.co.za , and I dunno if its legit"`
`08:22.49`	`Zyndrome`	`begins slapping various threads`
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`08:24.34`	`Zyndrome`	`http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/ , oh god inflatable divine shield!`
`08:24.55`	`elite3vil`	`lol.`
`08:25.19`	`JerleMinara`	`i note that there's no mention of a beta key`
`08:25.20`	`elite3vil`	`That's totally worth $100`
`08:25.29`	`JerleMinara`	`and no orion nobody cares about pvp`
`08:25.47`	`JerleMinara`	`playing on a pvp server in beta is an exercise in dumb`
`08:25.59`	`Zyndrome`	`I hear that`
`08:26.11`	`elite3vil`	`^`
`08:26.31`	`Zyndrome`	`started playing on the PvP-server in the TBC beta , and as I did the first quest.... suddenly, corpsecamped by a lvl70 warrior`
`08:26.44`	`Zyndrome`	`jump over to PvE`
`08:26.45`	`elite3vil`	`You'll just get all the noobs that're like "lolol I ganked you 60000 times now you can't test anything"`
`08:27.23`	`JerleMinara`	`ayup`
`08:27.43`	`JerleMinara`	`i rolled a horde dk`
`08:27.47`	`JerleMinara`	`stepped out of thrallmar`
`08:27.51`	`JerleMinara`	`ohay level 77 druid camping me`
`08:27.52`	`JerleMinara`	`EXCITING`
`08:28.57`	`Zyndrome`	`but then germans tend to invade every beta too`
`08:29.35`	`elite3vil`	`Completely unrelated thought: I hate insomnia.`
`08:31.00`	`Hjalte`	`Pay Per View coverage -.-`
`08:34.16`	`orionshock`	`is there a wotlk branch of one bag?`
`08:37.11`	`elite3vil`	`Has anyone else noticed trade chat being, unusually odd... even for trade chat?`
`08:42.05`	`odt`	`nothing suprises me after the Anal [Skinning] bs that's been going on in Trade for weeks now`
`08:42.35`	`elite3vil`	`That's more or less what I'm talking about`
`08:42.50`	`elite3vil`	`I wasn't going to be too specific, 'cause I didn't want it to spread to this channel. =P`
`08:43.18`	`odt`	`i sincerely hope the iq level here is a bit higher here though ;)`
`08:43.37`	`elite3vil`	`For our sake, I hope so.`
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`08:48.24`	`CIA-45`	`03arrowmaster 07Arrowmaster * r80167 10!BugGrabber/ (5 files): !BugGrabber: remove libs and make them optional`
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`08:58.55`	`CIA-45`	`03arrowmaster 07Arrowmaster * r80168 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: typo`
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`09:09.03`	`CIA-45`	`03archarodim * r80169 10Decursive/Dcr_DebuffsFrame.lua:`
`09:09.03`	`CIA-45`	`Decursive:`
`09:09.03`	`CIA-45`	`- Fixed the "mouseover is not MUF" message for WotLK (where mouseover is no longer set for not UnitVisible() units)`
`09:11.04`	`*** join/#wowace EthanCentaurai (n=EthanCen@adsl-87-102-77-78.karoo.KCOM.COM)`
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`09:12.07`	`EthanCentaurai`	`ffs after two whole days of downloading, installing and patching, I was finally able to log into the WotLK beta... to be met with the infamous "unable to validate game version" error. Anyone else got this?`
`09:12.30`	`JerleMinara`	`god probably hates you`
`09:13.06`	`Mera`	`what is ur build`
`09:13.15`	`EthanCentaurai`	`3.0.1.8770 UK`
`09:13.45`	`EthanCentaurai`	`repair tool doesn't work either`
`09:14.00`	`Mera`	`strange its the latest`
`09:14.05`	`JerleMinara`	`email blizzard`
`09:14.52`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I'll try reinstalling it, then I'll email them`
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`09:15.51`	`Mera`	`yeah try first to delete Cache/ WTF/ folders so`
`09:15.56`	`Vulcanus`	`wow with only 2gb of ram = the suck :(`
`09:16.23`	`EthanCentaurai`	`lol Vulcanus I only have 512Mb :p`
`09:16.30`	`Vulcanus`	`egads XD`
`09:16.37`	`Mera`	`eu server is located in usa so thats a lot lagging for eu players so`
`09:17.08`	`elite3vil`	`Vulcanus: It's fine with 2gb, as long as the cpu and graphics card are there`
`09:17.11`	`Mera`	`get 500ms average`
`09:17.44`	`Vulcanus`	`Q6600 / 9800GTX, but it's really not fine, Im using like 90% of the ram now`
`09:17.45`	`EthanCentaurai`	`ouch`
`09:17.54`	`Vulcanus`	`and considering I used to run with 4GB ram`
`09:18.02`	`elite3vil`	`which OS are you on?`
`09:18.11`	`Mera`	`u have a prob e i have geforce 6800 + 2gb ram works enough fine 30fps`
`09:18.29`	`Vulcanus`	`Vista. I swear to god, if you start going "lol vista memory intensive" I'm gonna kick your ass XD`
`09:18.33`	`Vulcanus`	`because its bs`
`09:18.40`	`elite3vil`	`I won't bother then. =P`
`09:18.50`	`Mera`	`vista sucks yep u need xp`
`09:18.56`	`JerleMinara`	`uh`
`09:19.02`	`JerleMinara`	`vista uses ram well`
`09:19.10`	`Mera`	`too myuch ram it uses`
`09:19.12`	`JerleMinara`	`no?`
`09:19.15`	`Vulcanus`	`but it uses less ram than XP, this is a fact`
`09:19.19`	`JerleMinara`	`it precaches stuff dude`
`09:19.30`	`JerleMinara`	`ram that has nothing in it = useless`
`09:19.39`	`JerleMinara`	`vista dumps all your popular apps into ram so they load faster`
`09:19.49`	`Mera`	`theoricaly`
`09:19.54`	`JerleMinara`	`no, factually`
`09:19.57`	`JerleMinara`	`it's called prefetch`
`09:20.04`	`Mera`	`with 2gb vista eat arund 1Gb..`
`09:20.08`	`Throngy`	`boring yawn`
`09:20.08`	`JerleMinara`	`no`
`09:20.13`	`Silviu-`	`Mera no`
`09:20.14`	`JerleMinara`	`it doesn't`
`09:20.29`	`Vulcanus`	`don't bother jerle, you can't argue with ignorant people`
`09:20.30`	`Silviu-`	`When i had 2 gb it used ~700 now with 4 gb uses 1.1`
`09:20.33`	`Silviu-`	But i don`t mind
`09:20.35`	`Mera`	`i have it here on another parition i know`
`09:20.39`	`Silviu-`	`All work verry good :P`
`09:20.41`	`JerleMinara`	`i have 4 gigs of RAM in this computer, i have 22 megs free`
`09:21.03`	`JerleMinara`	`2591 megs are cached for instant loading of wow, warhammre, and firefox, and a few other programs i use on a regular basis`
`09:21.07`	`Mera`	`its just good if u have 4gb mem but too short for 2gb ram + playiong`
`09:21.09`	`JerleMinara`	`it's brilliant`
`09:21.23`	`JerleMinara`	`except no, i use vista with my 2 gig laptop`
`09:21.26`	`Silviu-`	`I played good with 2 GB too np`
`09:21.30`	`JerleMinara`	`so, yeah?`
`09:21.54`	`JerleMinara`	`vista is an OS wiht issues, i won't contest that, but iwth SP1 it's actually pretty good and the ram management is brilliant`
`09:21.58`	`elite3vil`	`JerleMinara: I hope you're running x64?`
`09:22.08`	`Silviu-`	`02(Operating system02) Microsoft® Windows Vista Ultimate (SP1), version 6.0.6001 (52 processes running, 2.07GB free RAM, installed 3w 4d 21h 44m 7s ago, 3h 33m 16s uptime, 1d 15h 17m 40s uptime record)`
`09:22.14`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm not actually, I do need to get the x64 disks elite`
`09:22.19`	`JerleMinara`	`i bought a dell, comes with x32`
`09:22.28`	`Silviu-`	`x64`
`09:22.37`	`elite3vil`	`x32 only supports ~3.2gb doesn't it?`
`09:22.38`	`JerleMinara`	`which means i've only got 3.3 gigs of RAM availble to the system`
`09:22.41`	`Vulcanus`	`atm, I'm using 1.1 GB for my apps, 619 MB is cached applications, about 100 MB is applications, add that together and you get 1845 MB. Which means, Vista in and of itself is using 200 MB of RAM.`
`09:22.52`	`JerleMinara`	`cause i've got a 500 meg vid card`
`09:22.55`	`Vulcanus`	`OH TEH NOES AN OS THAT USES 200MB RAM, HORRIBLE MEMORY HUNGRY THING`
`09:22.58`	`JerleMinara`	`nah it handles 4 elite`
`09:23.03`	`JerleMinara`	`but that includes the video card`
`09:23.09`	`elite3vil`	`ah`
`09:23.36`	`elite3vil`	`Well that explains a few things... would've been nice to know about 6 months ago. /facepalm`
`09:23.41`	`JerleMinara`	`so 4196-512=3684 and then 359 for the OS`
`09:24.01`	`Vulcanus`	`did you factor in your other apps jerle?`
`09:24.04`	`JerleMinara`	`so i have 3325 free phys ram, minus whatever my processes are using`
`09:24.31`	`JerleMinara`	`nope vulc`
`09:24.36`	`JerleMinara`	`359 is for the actual basic OS`
`09:24.39`	`JerleMinara`	`the invisible use of ram`
`09:24.49`	`elite3vil`	`Either way.. WoW should run fine on a system with 2gb`
`09:25.07`	`Vulcanus`	`I didnt bother calculating msn + av + sidebar + utorrent + keyboard/mice stuff + etc, I just summed it to 100mb as that sounds about right for bg services :p`
`09:25.46`	`Silviu-`	`U actually use sidebar ?`
`09:25.47`	`elite3vil`	`utorrent? What on earth would you use something like that for? =P`
`09:25.48`	`Silviu-`	`;-)`
`09:26.02`	`Vulcanus`	`yes I do, I use it to keep track of my search index`
`09:26.06`	`Silviu-`	`I rarely am on my desktop tbh`
`09:26.19`	`Vulcanus`	`oh and Im running dreamscene too XD`
`09:26.29`	`Silviu-`	`Did not liked it much`
`09:26.33`	`Vulcanus`	`so like 200-300 MB for an OS, and I run Aero Glass and all possible eye candy, that's hardly what the doomsayers bitch about :p`
`09:26.46`	`JerleMinara`	`vista's a fine OS that came out too early`
`09:26.52`	`JerleMinara`	`with sp1 it's perfectly decent`
`09:27.28`	`Vulcanus`	`ye the file copying bug was mildly annoying`
`09:27.36`	`Vulcanus`	`but I installed the hotfix, so it never actually affected me`
`09:28.21`	`EthanCentaurai`	`oh fuck I forgot to pull the patch files out before I deleted the beta... does anyone have a mirror?`
`09:28.41`	`Vulcanus`	`crtl+z?`
`09:28.46`	`Vulcanus`	`ctrl*`
`09:28.52`	`charon`	`Vulcanus: one does wonder if those 200-300M include or exclude caches`
`09:28.59`	`Vulcanus`	`exclude of course`
`09:29.06`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I ran the uninstaller so it's not in the recycle bin :(`
`09:29.14`	`Vulcanus`	`o`
`09:29.32`	`Vulcanus`	`I have never ever been able to get Crtl/Ctrl right the first time :(`
`09:30.53`	`EthanCentaurai`	`oh fuck the beta it's not worth waiting a whole day to download the patches`
`09:31.08`	`elite3vil`	`A whole day? slow internet much?`
`09:31.30`	`EthanCentaurai`	`well there's 4 PCs in this house, 3 of them are playing WoW at the moment so yes :)`
`09:32.05`	`elite3vil`	`lol. I was about to ask you why 3 people were up at 5:30a playing WoW.... maybe a sign I should go to sleep.`
`09:32.07`	`EthanCentaurai`	`mutters something incoherable about family life.`
`09:32.23`	`EthanCentaurai`	`it's 10:30am here :)`
`09:33.18`	`elite3vil`	`Not that it should really matter to me, the only time I pay attention to is when my alarm goes off to raid.`
`09:33.35`	`elite3vil`	`I'm awake when I'm awake, I sleep when I sleep... time of day isn't really important`
`09:34.23`	`elite3vil`	`and who would I be to talk? I'm the one on WoW at 5:30a`
`09:34.25`	`elite3vil`	`lol.`
`09:34.50`	`elite3vil`	`Can't sleep? Powerlevel herbalism!`
`09:36.34`	`*** join/#wowace digmouse (n=whhao198@60.173.183.99)`
`09:37.44`	`*** join/#wowace eps (n=eps@203.171.70.21.dynamic.rev.aanet.com.au)`
`09:37.48`	`eps`	`la la la la la`
`09:39.32`	`CIA-45`	`03neotron * r80170 10ButtonBin/ButtonBin.lua:`
`09:39.32`	`CIA-45`	`ButtonBin:`
`09:39.32`	`CIA-45`	`- Added support for multiple bars.`
`09:39.32`	`CIA-45`	`- Drag and drop support for ordering buttons (works between frames too).`
`09:40.23`	`eps`	`boy does that sound like fun`
`09:42.07`	`digmouse`	`who get r80000 then?`
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`09:42.24`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v jnwhiteh] by ChanServ`
`09:43.05`	`eps`	`is there a git-repo web interface?`
`09:46.43`	`charon`	`eps: for which repo?`
`09:47.09`	`CIA-45`	`03neotron * r80171 10ButtonBin/ButtonBin.lua: ButtonBin: Fixed typo and a bug.`
`09:47.23`	`charon`	`r80000 \| Allara [...] HitsMode: - WotLK branch (no changes yet)`
`09:47.24`	`charon`	`how boring`
`09:47.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'morning ladies :)`
`09:48.07`	`eps`	`so whats this channel do? I assume wow ace is a wow addons updater of some type`
`09:48.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:48.39`	`charon`	`it's more like a community that happens to have an svn repo that happens to have an updater that happens to be popular`
`09:48.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ace is an addon framework, and wowace is a community :)`
`09:49.44`	`eps`	`so what platforms does wowace run on?`
`09:49.56`	`JerleMinara`	`err`
`09:49.59`	`JerleMinara`	`world of warcraft?`
`09:50.14`	`eps`	`oh I should be more specific I, the updater`
`09:50.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`multi-platform?`
`09:50.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`think there's some fancypants java client for mac and *nix :)`
`09:50.52`	`elite3vil`	`Isn't WAU only for Windows, but there's other updaters that're java based and whatnot?`
`09:50.53`	`charon`	`there are several updates that between them easily cover everything wow runs on`
`09:51.08`	`*** join/#wowace Beutju (n=tus@p57A7A6DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`09:51.10`	`eps`	`handy`
`09:51.15`	`charon`	`there's WAU (win), JWU (java) and at least one clever python script that runs everywhere from the command line`
`09:54.03`	`\|Kev\|`	`and MAU (mac), although some people have trouble with that these days`
`09:54.24`	`eps`	`people really shouldn'`
`09:54.29`	`eps`	`t be gaming on macs however`
`09:54.47`	`elite3vil`	`WoW runs fine on macs, why shouldn't they?`
`09:55.11`	`Vulcanus`	`because wow is the only game that runs ona mac? XD`
`09:55.16`	`eps`	`XD`
`09:56.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hell, if it suits their needs, they should be allowed to...`
`09:56.18`	`eps`	`more importantly apples nvidia/ati drivers are horrifically unoptimised making any ogl applications run slightly faster than snails going up hill over salt`
`09:56.38`	`elite3vil`	`I've got it installed on my iBook, it runs.. barely.. but it'll stop the shakes in a tight spot`
`09:56.41`	`eps`	`as well as blizzard traditionally being terrible at writing ogl ports ^_^`
`09:57.06`	`charon`	`eps: quit the FUD, WoW works fine and fast with the opengl engine on _linux_, it can't be worse on mac`
`09:57.21`	`eps`	`charon, linux != mac`
`09:57.41`	`eps`	`(I say this as some one with a mac next to me, and talking to you on a linux box, both used to pay wow often.)`
`09:58.31`	`charon`	`at least the statement about opengl ports is wrong.`
`09:58.32`	`eps`	`also the ogl engine runs horrifically under wine/ced/cxo ... they all use dx`
`09:59.09`	`eps`	`it is personal opinion so I'm happy to accept that you think it is wrong`
`09:59.12`	`charon`	`did you even try? i run wine with opengl.`
`09:59.30`	`charon`	`(the opengl renderer of WoW, that is)`
`09:59.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`Blizzard has always been good ona mac`
`09:59.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`so much fud and bs`
`09:59.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`it runs perfectly on my macbook pro`
`10:00.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`because i'm not trying to run it on a sub-par machine`
`10:00.26`	`eps`	`jnwhiteh, your macbook pro being extremely powerful compared to almost all macs in existence less than a year and a half ago - which is what most people have`
`10:00.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`but as you said, its your opinion and you're welcome to have it`
`10:00.43`	`jnwhiteh`	`eps: well, they changed platforms entirely`
`10:00.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`gasps for air`
`10:00.45`	`eps`	`charon, yes I have, often :)`
`10:00.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`and hadn't upgraded shit before then, so naturally`
`10:00.52`	`orionshock`	`charon: i run wow on wine, and i get good frame rate...`
`10:01.00`	`eps`	`jnwhiteh, yes they did, I cannot wait to upgrade my powerbook and mac mini :)`
`10:01.21`	`charon`	`orionshock: yeah well same here, that's the point.`
`10:01.51`	`charon`	`the nvidia driver sometimes has problems switching back to fast mode after tabbing around, but minimize+restore solves that reliably, so i'm happy`
`10:02.06`	`eps`	`I get a fantastic frame rate, although the latest two nvidia drivers have been painfully buggy and reduce my fps in shat to around 25fps instead of the normal 50`
`10:02.09`	`charon`	`(and they pushed an update today, so let's see if that persists)`
`10:03.30`	`orionshock`	`dual screen no less :D`
`10:03.50`	`eps`	`orionshock, I haven't had that issue, though I run in windowed mode?`
`10:04.03`	`orionshock`	`i don't have an issue`
`10:04.19`	`eps`	`oh I mean charon :)`
`10:05.27`	`charon`	`i haven't seen it on my flatmate's desktop machine either`
`10:05.41`	`charon`	`maybe it's just the mobile chip acting up`
`10:05.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`i wonder if there are any ATI drivers for macbook pro`
`10:05.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`im' still running stock`
`10:06.03`	`orionshock`	`charon: do u have a problem with targeting circles in beta?`
`10:06.05`	`nevcairiel`	`ATI and drivers, i wouldnt bet on it, hehe`
`10:06.06`	`eps`	`anyway I came in here to call Vulcanus out on a statement he made that I ended up seeing re: vista memory usage; Vulcanus you have no idea what you are talking about and you are an idiot.`
`10:06.20`	`eps`	`charon, try dx mode :)`
`10:06.41`	`eps`	`also report bugs with window switching and desktop integration as juliard is currently working on those issues iirc`
`10:06.50`	`Vulcanus`	`So because I know how to do basic maths to calculate the real memory usage of an OS that has a bugged display in task manager I'm an idiot? Yeah ok.`
`10:06.51`	`eps`	`and wine cannot fix what they don't know about!`
`10:07.01`	`charon`	`eps: nice building street cred before calling someone an idiot, gg.`
`10:07.04`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, any time. :)`
`10:07.52`	`*** join/#wowace M^_-rc (i=M^_-rc@24.244.133.49)`
`10:08.08`	`eps`	`charon, I am usually helpful and curt though I cannot stand some traits - and being the internets and all :)`
`10:08.22`	`Vulcanus`	`I'd rather not stoop to your level and insult people, much less fail to back your statement up with facts, so`
`10:08.42`	`JerleMinara`	`i love how eps just rolls in here and starts insulting people`
`10:08.55`	`eps`	`I don't need to back up anything, I wont sway you from your 'belief' so I'd rather just directly point out that you have no idea.`
`10:08.56`	`charon`	`sshh, he's on a mission.`
`10:08.56`	`M^_-rc`	`hmm`
`10:08.59`	`JerleMinara`	`without any idea where he is or why he's here`
`10:09.00`	`M^_-rc`	`should i DE my spell surge weapon`
`10:09.11`	`M^_-rc`	`or does manasurge work`
`10:09.24`	`JerleMinara`	`MUST DEFEND THE HONOR OF GLORIOUS MACINTOSH. FORWARD THE CRUSADE, DOWN WITH MICRO$OFT`
`10:09.26`	`JerleMinara`	`or something`
`10:09.26`	`JerleMinara`	`:>`
`10:09.29`	`Elkano`	`Ackis: ping?`
`10:09.35`	`Vulcanus`	`You don't need to back up your statement? Wtf? If only it worked like this in real life XD`
`10:09.57`	`JerleMinara`	`he's just a dude looking for attention`
`10:09.58`	`JerleMinara`	`ignore him`
`10:10.02`	`Vulcanus`	`I could just walk up to my lotto company and tell them I won a million dollars, I wouldn't need to back it up with proof (winning ticket)`
`10:10.03`	`eps`	`^_^`
`10:10.05`	`Vulcanus`	`That'd be awesome`
`10:10.47`	`JerleMinara`	`shouldn't you go wash your birkenstocks or refill your patchouli oil supply eps?`
`10:10.56`	`JerleMinara`	`what're you doing in here bothering us slaves to the man`
`10:11.01`	`eps`	`JerleMinara, I could just be the new office shurbery, bring colour and life in to the channel (with extra oxygen)`
`10:11.07`	`JerleMinara`	`but you're not`
`10:11.11`	`JerleMinara`	`you could be. but you aren't`
`10:11.28`	`eps`	`shame :(`
`10:11.39`	`Vulcanus`	`Also, it's shrubbery`
`10:11.46`	`eps`	`also what is a birkenstocks and a patchouli, good says a shoe company?`
`10:11.54`	`JerleMinara`	`you're just another dude bouncing in to talk trash on Vulcanus because someone copypasta'd you a comment he made about vista`
`10:12.09`	`eps`	`JerleMinara, I'm pretty sure that's what I said.`
`10:12.20`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm saying you're pretty goddamn lame`
`10:12.34`	`JerleMinara`	`don't you have anything better to do with your time than go somewhere just to talk shit on people you don't know? pitiful`
`10:12.35`	`eps`	`I'm not countering that assumption. that is why I came.`
`10:12.41`	`JerleMinara`	`ok, good!`
`10:12.46`	`JerleMinara`	`glad we agree that you embody all things pathetic`
`10:12.48`	`JerleMinara`	`moving on`
`10:13.06`	`eps`	`though I have done that now, and I wouldn't mind staying. after seeing there is a lively bunch in here.`
`10:13.43`	`eps`	`nothing like first impressions :)`
`10:13.50`	`Lukian`	`Vulcanus, where's your proof, all I saw is you stating what you thought vista used`
`10:14.03`	`Lukian`	`did you care to look at pagefile usage?`
`10:14.42`	`Vulcanus`	`my proof is in my task manager, also I'm going by Physical Memory usage and statistics`
`10:14.55`	`eps`	`as some one who's done OS memory application I saw so many painful holes in Vulcanus' statement that it made me cry. complete disregard for page files, system memory space, vista library caching, fast cache, prefetch and I could go on.`
`10:14.56`	`Lukian`	`then you are ignoring the 1GB it has paged to disk?`
`10:14.59`	`JerleMinara`	`don't care eps`
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`10:15.13`	`JerleMinara`	`run along lil troll`
`10:15.28`	`eps`	`you mean the task manager that doesn't report accurate data even in good conditions...and at best is a rough meter (which is all it was designed to be)`
`10:16.22`	`eps`	`the reality is a base install of vista will use (assuming .net 1 through 3.5 and c# 2006 libraries are loaded (installed)) over 400 meg of base ram`
`10:17.06`	`eps`	`any extra library loading (for example dx9+10 and say .net being actively used) can easily add 200-600meg to that`
`10:17.51`	`JerleMinara`	`Vulcanus: this is why we can't have nice things. you dared to make a statement that offended some nerd on another channel when he heard it, and now he's here to lecture us`
`10:17.55`	`JerleMinara`	`I put the blame solely on you :<`
`10:18.01`	`Vulcanus`	`sorry :(`
`10:18.01`	`eps`	`though as I said, I highly doubt Vulcanus would listen to reason, so I readily expect a rebuttal discrediting all of my knowledgeable statements`
`10:18.14`	`JerleMinara`	`eps: why would anyone bother to rebutt it? nobody cares dude`
`10:18.42`	`eps`	`I'm not expecting any one to else I wouldn't have written it.`
`10:18.46`	`JerleMinara`	`head on back to #memory-masters or #linux4life or whatever particular corner of the internet you hail from`
`10:18.51`	`eps`	`it is just to discredit Vulcanus in his own mind.`
`10:18.52`	`Vulcanus`	`well eps, then perhaps you'd like to explain how much memory the DX10 runtime uses in relation to DX9? because nothing besides DX10 is Vista exclusive`
`10:18.58`	`JerleMinara`	`Vulcanus: don't`
`10:19.11`	`JerleMinara`	`just admit that you have been defeated by his overwhelming awesome and maybe he'll leave :P`
`10:19.25`	`eps`	`JerleMinara, ah, your counter troll powers are no match for Vulcanus self assured nature :)`
`10:19.49`	`JerleMinara`	`honestly you're just lucky that this channel is prettymuch never moderated`
`10:19.57`	`eps`	`I was wondering >.<`
`10:20.13`	`JerleMinara`	`cause blatant trolling and shit like "i'm just here to discredit someone" is pretty sad and banworthy`
`10:20.19`	`elite3vil`	`JerleMinara: Maybe an op will wake up at just the right time`
`10:20.23`	`Vulcanus`	`Can I admit my calculations were flawed? Yeah, sure. I have no problems with that. I do however have problems with mindless bashing, which is what the original problem was.`
`10:20.31`	`eps`	`though I haven't said anything out of turn, I simply called Vulcanus out for saying an unfounded and uninformed statement as fact and as notable reason that vista is awesome(tm).`
`10:20.56`	`JerleMinara`	`eps: "<eps> it is just to discredit Vulcanus in his own mind." "<eps> anyway I came in here to call Vulcanus out on a statement he made that I ended up seeing re: vista memory usage; Vulcanus you have no idea what you are talking about and you are an idiot."`
`10:21.09`	`JerleMinara`	`you're not here to learn anything or contribute anything`
`10:21.11`	`eps`	`looks like a standard call out to me`
`10:21.12`	`JerleMinara`	`your'e here to troll`
`10:21.14`	`JerleMinara`	`that's the point`
`10:21.17`	`JerleMinara`	`you don't get to call people out`
`10:21.19`	`eps`	`that isn't true`
`10:21.27`	`Vulcanus`	`and I'm calling eps out on ignoring my question because it doesn't support his opinion that Vista = MMEORY WHOAR (R)`
`10:21.34`	`JerleMinara`	`who the fuck are you? just some guy who got relayed a copy/paste of Vulcanus' statement`
`10:21.53`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm not going to where you hang out to call you out`
`10:22.07`	`JerleMinara`	`nor would I. it's a waste of my time and it's a completely pathetic act`
`10:22.12`	`eps`	`done?`
`10:22.15`	`JerleMinara`	`nope`
`10:22.17`	`eps`	`k`
`10:22.23`	`elite3vil`	`/popcorn`
`10:22.29`	`JerleMinara`	`i can keep calling you worthless for hours if I need to`
`10:22.32`	`eps`	`1`
`10:22.49`	`elite3vil`	`counting? wtf?`
`10:23.01`	`elite3vil`	`zomg what happens if you get to three?`
`10:23.07`	`eps`	`good question :/`
`10:23.21`	`eps`	`what if I get to 42?`
`10:23.24`	`JerleMinara`	`he frees us from the tyranny of vulcanus' inaccurate statements`
`10:23.25`	`elite3vil`	`JerleMinara: Maybe if you get them to 3, they'll leave.`
`10:23.26`	`eps`	`2`
`10:23.27`	`JerleMinara`	`duh`
`10:23.33`	`eps`	`3`
`10:23.35`	`JerleMinara`	`what are we counting again?`
`10:23.58`	`elite3vil`	`How long it takes for an op to remove him? No idea.`
`10:24.00`	`JerleMinara`	`hm. nope, hit three, he's still here`
`10:24.05`	`eps`	`4`
`10:24.05`	`JerleMinara`	`shucks. it was a good theory`
`10:24.14`	`eps`	`every time you make a topical statement about me continuing to debate some thing that is over, while not being over it yourself :)`
`10:24.23`	`JerleMinara`	`what`
`10:24.27`	`eps`	`maybe you should let out some of that nerd rage :)`
`10:24.30`	`JerleMinara`	`what`
`10:24.40`	`Vulcanus`	`it's not over eps, not until you answer my question :p`
`10:24.40`	`eps`	`breath in, then out`
`10:24.43`	`JerleMinara`	`not debating anything`
`10:24.54`	`JerleMinara`	`you're just another moron, cupcake`
`10:24.58`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, sorry I honestly missed your question.`
`10:24.59`	`JerleMinara`	`(5)`
`10:25.06`	`eps`	`what's that, 6?`
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`10:25.24`	`JerleMinara`	`i don't know, I don't think "not debating anything" counts as a topical statement continuing to debate anything`
`10:25.28`	`eps`	`7`
`10:25.37`	`Vulcanus`	`How much memory does the DX10 runtime take in relation to the DX9 runtime? As that's the only thing Vista uses that XP does not, from your list of memory using things.`
`10:25.49`	`JerleMinara`	`I think eps is, at this point, demonstrating that he too passed elementary school :>`
`10:26.31`	`elite3vil`	`JerleMinara: At least this is somewhat more amusing than leveling herbalism. >.>`
`10:26.41`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, not overly true - vista has several 'technologies' (libraries) that xp doesn't which add up in memory - though dx9c is inc in the dx10 runtime (much like 7 through 8 is)`
`10:27.45`	`nevcairiel`	`not like it loads the full runtime when its not used, also you guys are boring, so cut it out =P`
`10:27.51`	`eps`	`the major issue isn't specifically dx10 over 9 it is the extra memory calls for tasks, and even that really isn't an issue. if you were to put dx10 on xp it would use the same amount of memory. though as I didn't say anything the contrary I'm not sure why your question is relevant.`
`10:28.09`	`JerleMinara`	`aww, nev, not gonna show the callout guy the door? :<`
`10:28.40`	`Vulcanus`	`It's relevant for debunking the people who bitch about Vista being a huge memory whore over XP, which is the reason why I said what I said in the first place`
`10:28.49`	`Vulcanus`	`the arguments of the people*`
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`10:29.03`	`eps`	`JerleMinara, I called out Vulcanus, he pointed out that he was happy to be limited by the tools available to him (ie windows shitty process manager) so I have no issues :)`
`10:29.31`	`JerleMinara`	`that's nice, pumpkin`
`10:29.50`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, mmm to be fair half of those bitching sessions aren't based on anything close to reality. how ever to say that vista is comparable to xp is unfounded and contradicted by many 'real' issues to do with its memory management`
`10:29.59`	`nevcairiel`	`Vista, in stock configuration, does use more memory then XP.`
`10:30.00`	`eps`	`JerleMinara, did the flame burn you?`
`10:30.09`	`JerleMinara`	`you still exerted the energy to go into an irc chan and call out a dude you've never met because of a quote you don't have any context for`
`10:30.23`	`eps`	`JerleMinara, no really, now you're being the troll.`
`10:30.42`	`elite3vil`	`nev: boring? maybe. As boring as leveling herbalism? Haven't decided yet.`
`10:30.54`	`JerleMinara`	`like you said: <eps> nothing like first impressions :)`
`10:31.08`	`JerleMinara`	`and you've certainly made an impression on me honeycake`
`10:32.17`	`JerleMinara`	`in any case, i'm off to bed. you keep on keepin' on sugarlips`
`10:32.32`	`JerleMinara`	`the world's a much better place now that you've come here to reveal Vulcanus' nefariousness!`
`10:32.47`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah Vulcanus is a real evil person, i agree`
`10:32.48`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`10:32.57`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, most of vistas memory issues are related to development bloat, also nt is now supporting almost twenty years of legacy shit (which isn't really their fault), failed add on attempts (see UI improvements and badly implemented eye candy). if there was a strong ethos at microsoft to turn vista in to a lean and fast OS it could be done and they have been working on it with success. it is just a problem with their development model`
`10:32.58`	`eps`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:33.02`	`eps`	`oh god words`
`10:33.10`	`JerleMinara`	`tl;dr`
`10:33.26`	`eps`	`vista sucks because microsoft has bad development practices; but they are improving them`
`10:33.27`	`Vulcanus`	`I thought you loved me nevcairiel, after all we had together, how can you say such a thing!? ;_;`
`10:33.49`	`nevcairiel`	`nearly every big software company is marketing driven, that argument fails :)`
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`10:34.02`	`elite3vil`	`Vulcanus: The world, as you know it, is crashing down around you.. how do you feel now? =P`
`10:34.10`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, didn't I say marketing?`
`10:34.10`	`nevcairiel`	`if you cant sell your software, you dont develop it`
`10:34.19`	`eps`	`yeah I did`
`10:34.24`	`Vulcanus`	`elite3vil: like jumping off a bridge or levelling first aid on my alts!`
`10:34.44`	`Vulcanus`	`slits his wrists with a [Heavy Wool Bandage]`
`10:34.59`	`eps`	`market driven and marketing driven are different; apple is market driven (they give the market what they want) where as microsoft is marketing driven (managers and marketing departments have control over products (see zune)) for example`
`10:35.01`	`nevcairiel`	`eps: you sound like thats a special problem from vista, but in reality that fits for every piece of software`
`10:35.15`	`elite3vil`	`Vulcanus: You don't have first aid leveled on your alts?! All 8 of my alts (plus my main) have it at 375.. and they're all 70. >.>`
`10:35.29`	`eps`	`I disagree in theory but agree in practice with some very big exclusions (ie apple, ibm)`
`10:35.33`	`Vulcanus`	`eh yea most of my alts are either sub-20 or in the 20-40 bracket XD`
`10:36.29`	`Vulcanus`	`Apple is hardly market driven, they do their own shit and for some reason the world swallows it raw. Yeah, the iPod Touch is great, I own one. But if they gave us what we wanted, we would have gotten a player that supports all formats (and codec installation for new formats). But that doesn't happen.`
`10:36.56`	`Vulcanus`	`When I say want, I mean "would like to have", not want as in "I'll buy it"`
`10:37.14`	`Vulcanus`	`Because there's no mp3 player that I know of that does play everything`
`10:37.35`	`elite3vil`	`Vulcanus: My iBook does. >.>`
`10:37.37`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, there is a good marketing saying that I don't remember, but it implies that consumers have no idea what they want`
`10:37.44`	`Vulcanus`	`hehe`
`10:38.04`	`nevcairiel`	`Also, any discussions about memory bloat are kinda pointless anyway, look at RAM prices o.O its not like Vista uses a few gigs of RAM, its a few hundred megs above XP, and really, just invest 30 USD into 2 gig more ram o.O`
`10:38.23`	`eps`	`for example the iphone, it is limited to what it does well and instead of doing everything and being a horrific mixture of unusable (see win mobile)`
`10:38.28`	`Vulcanus`	`sadly 2 of my ram sticks may be dead at this point`
`10:38.47`	`Vulcanus`	`and I have to wait a week to borrow some test ram to see if its my mobo acting up or if its dead sticks`
`10:39.03`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, it does when you get serious with it... try running two vm's and 3x dx apps without tapping out and having an unusable system. you can do these things under xp/mac/lin reasonably easily`
`10:39.08`	`eps`	`maybe not xp :P`
`10:40.15`	`nevcairiel`	`If you plan to do that on Vista, and install Vista, you should just _know_ that it uses a bit more memory`
`10:40.20`	`nevcairiel`	`there is no point arguing about it`
`10:40.28`	`eps`	`also speaking of vm's running xp in seamless mode makes linux easily the best os ever. I have all my windows apps seamlessly integrated with all my foss apps :D`
`10:40.31`	`nevcairiel`	`noone here is a core designer of vista, i guess :p`
`10:40.42`	`eps`	`o rly :)`
`10:40.59`	`eps`	`last time I said that I got an ear full from a core developer :P`
`10:41.22`	`Vulcanus`	`eps maybe you've heard of this issue: out of nowhere, when attempting to boot with all 4 of my ram sticks (same brand, came in same package) would not work. All fans spin up to max, cpu does nothing and the monitor got no signal. Found 2 sticks that works, any one of the other two sticks will cause either same issue as above, system lockup on bios splash screen (can't view POST) or hang at windows load. Dead ram sticks?`
`10:41.50`	`nevcairiel`	`Hangs in POST already?`
`10:41.52`	`eps`	`dead ram sticks are easy to test via memtest86`
`10:42.26`	`eps`	`but it sounds like an issue with the mobo or ram and matched pairs (if it isn't dead sticks)`
`10:42.32`	`Vulcanus`	`I doubt I'd be able to test with memtest because with those other sticks in there I don't get past the BIOS screen, and as such I can't get it to boot from cd`
`10:42.45`	`eps`	`google usually turns up if specific mother boards have issues with ram combinations`
`10:43.00`	`eps`	`oh then they are probably dead`
`10:43.17`	`eps`	`do they not work in slots that other sticks work in (testing with only one stick in at a time)`
`10:43.17`	`eps`	`?`
`10:43.47`	`Stanzilla`	`http://media.powerapple.com/uploadimages/1218323763_3033.jpg < that was XP :D`
`10:43.48`	`Vulcanus`	`fairly certain I got the 2 I have now to work in any combilation of slots (matched or nonmatched)`
`10:43.59`	`eps`	`a mate of mine was having issues with ram he bought two days ago, the stuff worked perfectly till this morning then they just died out of the blue :/`
`10:44.06`	`Vulcanus`	`haha stanz`
`10:44.53`	`Vulcanus`	`I also did get a MEMORY_MANAGEMENT bsod the day before the comp simply would not boot; 2-3 days before that, the issue would randomly happen at startup. And in my infinite wisdom I didn't think of running memtest`
`10:44.58`	`eps`	`xp with sp3 is almost as stable as 2k3 was back in the day so for a workstation os it's pretty good. wouldn't use it for much else though`
`10:45.18`	`nevcairiel`	`I was pretty happy with the x64 kernel for XP`
`10:45.23`	`nevcairiel`	`never had instability issues`
`10:45.33`	`nevcairiel`	`(I realize its the 2k3 kernel)`
`10:45.37`	`Vulcanus`	`I heard drivers are scarce for XP64 tho`
`10:45.44`	`eps`	`just take all the ram out, put both dead sticks in one at a time, if you can't boot with them in slots you know to work (working ram works in them) that is ground for a RTA`
`10:45.47`	`nevcairiel`	`meh i have pretty new hardware`
`10:45.51`	`nevcairiel`	`never had driver issues`
`10:46.05`	`eps`	`32bit all the way`
`10:46.24`	`nevcairiel`	`I would hate losing half a gig of ram`
`10:46.25`	`nevcairiel`	`;)`
`10:46.34`	`Vulcanus`	`RTA? I haven't heard that shortening before, only RTM.`
`10:46.37`	`eps`	`even as a debian user with full 64bit support in all apps and drivers I'd rather use 32bit. no point using some thing unstable when others are willing to do it for you. :D`
`10:46.38`	`nevcairiel`	`Also Vista64 works like a charm`
`10:46.43`	`eps`	`same thing`
`10:46.49`	`Vulcanus`	`oh ok`
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`10:47.10`	`Stanzilla`	`vistax64 here, too`
`10:47.14`	`Vulcanus`	`and here`
`10:47.30`	`dafire`	`hi`
`10:47.47`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, mmm, according to my obsessive osx fanboy friends vista 64(and xp_64) aren't true 64bit due to userland 32bit bindings and kernel fall backs. according to them OSX 10.5 is the only true 64 system (excluding sparc which has had it for ten thousand years now).`
`10:47.52`	`eps`	`and probably debian now.`
`10:48.12`	`eps`	`though I don't know enough about 64bit kernel interactions to say anything more on the topic :P`
`10:48.17`	`nevcairiel`	`obviously a osx fanboi would find any reason to bash vista :)`
`10:48.41`	`dafire`	`if i create a frame A and a frame B inside A .. and I register A:OnLeave() it will fire when the mouse goes over B.. can I check if the mouse is still inside A ?`
`10:48.45`	`nevcairiel`	`but what do i care, the kernel is 64-bit enough to access my full memory`
`10:48.48`	`nevcairiel`	`thats all i need :P`
`10:48.50`	`eps`	`to be fair I don't know any osx fanboy that does. they just snub their nose at people who aren't enlightened (inc linux users :P)`
`10:48.52`	`Vulcanus`	`the way I heard it is that 32bit is emulated in Vista x64 so 32bit app performance is slightly lowered (not enough to be noticed though). But I'm probably wrong, I probably read this from a blog`
`10:49.20`	`Stanzilla`	`that's true`
`10:49.23`	`eps`	`mmm emulated is a bad word, it's compatibility userland bindings`
`10:49.30`	`nevcairiel`	`As long as systems still need to run 32-bit apps, you will always end up with some fallback layer of sorts`
`10:49.44`	`Vulcanus`	`Ive never even heard the word "userland" before, youll have to excuse me calling it emulated`
`10:49.45`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`10:49.51`	`eps`	`when ever you think of using the word emulate in relation to computers replace it with compatibility layer instead as it probably is`
`10:50.06`	`Vulcanus`	`alright XD`
`10:50.07`	`eps`	`userland is the fun play land where all you apps live happily! :D`
`10:50.23`	`eps`	`kernel space is where gargamel lives, he throws BSOD at the userland every so often :(`
`10:50.30`	`Vulcanus`	`lmao`
`10:50.39`	`nevcairiel`	`you dont really use userland as a expression in windows worlds, its more of *nix expression, )`
`10:50.42`	`dafire`	`noone ?`
`10:50.42`	`eps`	`^_^`
`10:51.13`	`Vulcanus`	`is looking at The Smurfs: Operation Smurfette game right now`
`10:51.21`	`eps`	`windows is still userland/kernel space model; it's just that you cannot directly interact with the kernel (at least not easily - pre 2k8)`
`10:51.27`	`eps`	`haha :)`
`10:51.28`	`nevcairiel`	`dafire: MouseIsOver`
`10:51.36`	`dafire`	`oh`
`10:51.48`	`eps`	`MouseIsOverHelpingYouWithYourQuery :/`
`10:51.52`	`nevcairiel`	`eps: of course it still is, people usually just dont use that expression when talking windows :)`
`10:52.05`	`Vulcanus`	`CanHasMouse() returns "yus" on success, "gtfo" on failure`
`10:52.45`	`eps`	`windows is still a unix conceptual os, even if it is a deformed offspring of the inbred half cousins`
`10:53.01`	`dafire`	`is there a way with libbroker addons to let it attach a tooltip to the display addon if you manage it yourself ?`
`10:53.23`	`Vulcanus`	`tbh I'm sick of all this "<OS> is the best OS evarrr!" on the internet. I use Vista because I like it, it runs fast and looks pretty, and it does what I need it to do without needing to muck about with emulators. If somebody wants to use something else, that's fine, just get off my internets about it :p`
`10:53.47`	`dafire`	`i like the true symbolic links that were added with vista .9`
`10:54.02`	`Stanzilla`	`I use Vista since alpha xxxx and the looks is getting boring now :P`
`10:54.03`	`eps`	`does vista have hard/soft sym links?`
`10:54.06`	`Stanzilla`	`-s`
`10:54.32`	`nevcairiel`	`since vista they have both type of links, just no real GUI support to control them`
`10:54.34`	`nevcairiel`	`(yet)`
`10:54.38`	`eps`	`sad`
`10:54.53`	`Vulcanus`	`I don't know, I haven't tried messing with that, eps. I do however know that all Users folders, like Documents, Downloads and such, can now be moved to any location you want and still have the start menu/sidebar links working`
`10:55.19`	`eps`	`you could do that under xp anyway, we have a complex setup in our AD DC for it :)`
`10:55.20`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah thats soft links`
`10:55.21`	`dafire`	`it has real symbolic directory link`
`10:55.26`	`nevcairiel`	`hard-links have been in XP too`
`10:55.31`	`nevcairiel`	`barely known, though`
`10:55.36`	`nevcairiel`	`junctions or what it was called`
`10:55.37`	`dafire`	`you need admin rights and mklink.exe`
`10:55.41`	`eps`	`the biggest issue with xp was that favourites never moved shakes fist`
`10:55.46`	`dafire`	`junctions is old`
`10:55.47`	`Vulcanus`	`I never found the option in the GUI for it in XP, so I never knew it existed`
`10:55.53`	`dafire`	`vista introduced real links`
`10:56.01`	`eps`	`yeah they weren't real`
`10:56.27`	`nevcairiel`	`i usually used junctions on XP to link my addons dir between ptr and live *shrug =P`
`10:56.32`	`dafire`	`mklink makes posix links`
`10:56.53`	`eps`	`I just hope that windows 7 finally drops ntfs`
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`10:57.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Whats wrong with ntfs?`
`10:57.16`	`eps`	`that's a rant for another day.`
`10:57.18`	`Vulcanus`	`http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-an-elderly-cat-may-not-understand-technology.jpg`
`10:57.46`	`dafire`	`I use it with my closetgnome git repository to link Addons\ClosetGnome_Simple to Addons\ClosetGnome\ClosetGnome_Simple and Addons\ClosetGnome_Fubar to Addons\ClosetGnome\ClosetGnome_Fubar`
`10:57.49`	`nevcairiel`	`According to that file-system comparison page on wikipedia, it supports more featuers then the average other FS`
`10:57.53`	`nevcairiel`	`short of xfs or so`
`10:58.04`	`Vulcanus`	`the only thing Ive heard wrong about ntfs is fragmentation, but meh I run Diskeeper`
`10:58.12`	`Vulcanus`	`now that theres finally an x64 crack out`
`10:58.18`	`eps`	`the issue isn't features, it is implementation, and bad.`
`10:58.27`	`dafire`	`uhm .. fragmentation is a problem with ext2 and ext3 fs`
`10:58.35`	`Vulcanus`	`o lol XD`
`10:58.38`	`dafire`	`and there is no way to fix it`
`10:58.40`	`nevcairiel`	`Wonder if their planned WinFS was better`
`10:58.44`	`eps`	`ntfs is a last gen fs and is so far behind conceptually that it's a joke.`
`10:58.47`	`nevcairiel`	`well they dropped it for vista, but still`
`10:58.56`	`eps`	`winfs would have bought ntfs up to scratch with current gen`
`10:59.02`	`eps`	`in fact winfs is pretty cool`
`10:59.07`	`Vulcanus`	`I heard WinFS was never supposed to be a new filesystem, rather different handling of it`
`10:59.09`	`Stanzilla`	`winfs was based on SQL`
`10:59.21`	`eps`	`a friend of mine is helping on a phd team working to implement a filesystem like winfs`
`10:59.22`	`Stanzilla`	`and an indexing layer on top of ntfs`
`10:59.33`	`eps`	`Stanzilla, it was based on a sql like system.`
`10:59.37`	`Stanzilla`	`yes`
`11:00.01`	`eps`	`also the meta-data level was going to be extension included in to ntfs including several fundamental improvements in ntfs data storage and structure`
`11:00.14`	`eps`	`which would have been awesome`
`11:00.47`	`eps`	`instead apple beat them to the punch and then sun ms released zfs which completely changes the concept of file systems and makes everything before it old and crappy`
`11:00.59`	`Stanzilla`	`but it was too slow..that's why they discontinued it`
`11:01.06`	`Vulcanus`	`according to wikipedia, winfs will come to windows when its fully done, which apparently its not yet`
`11:01.16`	`dafire`	`the biggest problem with winfs for me will be that it won't be accessible from osx or linux ..9`
`11:01.24`	`Stanzilla`	`it will come under a different name and with a better concept in 7`
`11:01.30`	`CIA-45`	`03archarodim * r80172 10LibBabble-Class-3.0/LibBabble-Class-3.0.lua:`
`11:01.30`	`CIA-45`	`LibBabble-Class-3.0`
`11:01.31`	`CIA-45`	`- Added Deathknight for EN and FR`
`11:01.38`	`nevcairiel`	`I really hope they dont break windows 7`
`11:01.41`	`Vulcanus`	`they chucked bits of it into Midori now`
`11:01.42`	`eps`	`their method of implementing it was flawed and bloat crept in, if they'd had the proper support it would have been fixed`
`11:01.56`	`eps`	`I doubt winfs will be with windows 7`
`11:02.12`	`Vulcanus`	`I doubt itll come in Win7, since Win7 will essentially be Vista SE, which is something I have no problems with`
`11:02.18`	`eps`	`the real question is what will be in windows 7...by the time it's out the market will either be sitting with xp for good or using vista and no want to upgrade again`
`11:02.24`	`eps`	`^^^ yeah`
`11:02.45`	`eps`	`and given long enough microsoft has shown that it can make a shitty os usable and stable (see xp)`
`11:02.54`	`eps`	`seven years and its now one of the best os out there`
`11:03.18`	`Vulcanus`	`nah there's too many people who believed the FUD about Vista to have upgraded, those who upgraded already will have no problems upgrading again since there will be no compat issues and no hardware requirement increases`
`11:03.38`	`eps`	`I honestly don't expect microsoft to last another decade`
`11:04.08`	`eps`	`apple is lapping at their heals and with full ad integration in 10.6 as well as linux always steadily chipping away`
`11:04.19`	`eps`	`vista may have been a watershed event`
`11:04.43`	`Stanzilla`	`what ad integration? :P`
`11:04.46`	`nevcairiel`	`as long as so many applications only come out for windows, MS will survive`
`11:05.08`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, tell that to apple, os/2, system 5, and the rest of history :P`
`11:05.32`	`nevcairiel`	`well the world is different these days`
`11:05.49`	`nevcairiel`	`They cannot stop supporting Vista without having some replacement windows`
`11:05.53`	`eps`	`Stanzilla, 10.6 will have full microsoft ad integration. you will be able to drop a mac in place of a windows desktop on a business network and expect it to work seamlessly`
`11:06.08`	`Vulcanus`	`Vista wasn't the failure people claim it was, half the people who didn't upgrade were people who failed to remember history about newer OSes requiring newer hardware, and the other half were people who took the advice of the first half :p`
`11:06.10`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, again you are ignoring history. the world is never different.`
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`11:06.22`	`Ellipsis`	`you can expect all you want, it doesn't mean it will happen in practice ;)`
`11:06.31`	`nocts`	`eps: I'm willing to bet that the computer science world would disagree with you, 60 years ago.`
`11:06.47`	`nocts`	`The world does change.`
`11:06.59`	`nevcairiel`	`The market is so much bigger today then it was in os/2 days`
`11:07.00`	`eps`	`I disagree. vista was an epic failure. if it had released on time and with the featured listed it would have killed off linux for good, kept apple to 10% of the market, and given neither seven years to catch up (which they did)`
`11:07.03`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant ignore that`
`11:07.19`	`nocts`	`Hell, going from no shoes to shoes proved to be pretty important.`
`11:07.29`	`eps`	`I like shoes ^_^`
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`11:07.40`	`nocts`	`I bite on your shoes, good sir.`
`11:08.09`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, I mean generically though, thinking in a broader sense that just software. monopolies all have one thing in common, they become complacent and fall.`
`11:08.34`	`Vulcanus`	`but if linux is coming out so strong now, then surely MS does not have a true monopoly anymore`
`11:08.42`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont think MS will just fail, maybe they will slowly loose more and more of their market share`
`11:08.44`	`eps`	`(I've only done intro to economics so I could be horrifically misunderstanding the concepts)`
`11:08.47`	`nevcairiel`	`but they will not just die`
`11:08.51`	`nocts`	`MS doesn't have a monopoly.`
`11:08.59`	`nocts`	`It's just assumed because it's spoken of more.`
`11:09.05`	`eps`	`I said ten years didn't I :)`
`11:09.08`	`Fisker-`	`Microsoft never had a true monopoly`
`11:09.13`	`nocts`	`^ this`
`11:09.24`	`eps`	`they did around 98 through 04`
`11:09.25`	`nocts`	`Action was taken beforehand.`
`11:09.36`	`eps`	`osx was a joke before 10.4, linux didn't even have a usable gui etc`
`11:09.43`	`Fisker-`	`They would never have had a true monopoly anyways`
`11:09.54`	`eps`	`for the consumer space that is, there were commercial unixes but they were terrible anyway (still are)`
`11:09.56`	`Vulcanus`	`the only thing that would make me sad when it comes to OS competition is if it becomes a game of cat and mouse, where one year Windows has features and apps I need, then the next year Linux does`
`11:10.05`	`nevcairiel`	`I wish there was one true good filesystem that Windows and Linux would share, so i could really try out linux without having to worry about all my NTFS drives`
`11:10.31`	`dafire`	`I think linux ntfs support is pretty good now ?`
`11:10.42`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, it's currently like that between apple and linux - they both caught up to windows and are now competing with each other - which is why so many geeks have mac/lin these days to get the best of both worlds`
`11:11.09`	`Ellipsis`	`ntfs-3g is about as stable as it gets`
`11:11.21`	`Vulcanus`	`I wouldn't consider an OS to have caught up with Windows until they have support from developers`
`11:11.23`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, ntfs-3g is a parity driver, all ntfs should work flawlessly under linux for at least a year now. and there are plenty of very good ext3 drivers for windows out there.`
`11:11.48`	`nevcairiel`	`I bet it was easier to write a ext3 driver for windows then ntfs-3g for linux =P`
`11:11.58`	`Ellipsis`	`duh, more documentation :P`
`11:12.03`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, I disagree, I considering it on a feature-per-feature base and usability. the best car doesn't always have the biggest userbase`
`11:12.04`	`nevcairiel`	`also, open source ;)`
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`11:13.10`	`Vulcanus`	`Im speaking from an user perspective (though I am in college to become a programmer :p), I wouldn't use Linux even if all its eyecandy programs came stock and made Vista look like 3.11, since my apps would either need Wine'ing or not at all`
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`11:13.34`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, that is a very dangerous position to take these days.`
`11:13.42`	`Vulcanus`	`How so`
`11:13.49`	`eps`	`employeement wise you could be cutting yourself out of the job.`
`11:13.57`	`eps`	`(hurr spelling)`
`11:14.19`	`Vulcanus`	`I meant for my off-duty desktop OS d00d, I'd love to have a Macbook and stuff Linux on my old craptop`
`11:14.27`	`eps`	`windows really isn't a programmers os`
`11:14.52`	`Vulcanus`	`but if I'm making .NET apps, it is :p`
`11:15.00`	`eps`	`.net is a dead end`
`11:15.12`	`eps`	`learn some thing useful :)`
`11:15.19`	`eps`	`(though c# is still very handy)`
`11:15.20`	`Vulcanus`	`that's not what the job market here in Norway say, but ok`
`11:15.36`	`eps`	`the job market is always full of buzz words and buzz words change`
`11:15.50`	`eps`	`look at ajax :) ...so many starving devs out there now`
`11:15.55`	`Vulcanus`	`never said I would lock myself to one language, that'd be stupid XD`
`11:16.11`	`eps`	`.net also teaches you horrific habbits`
`11:16.21`	`Ellipsis`	`any competent programmer shouldn't even be able to be "locked" into one language :P`
`11:16.25`	`Vulcanus`	`atm I know PHP (yeah yeah I know), some level of Java and a tiny bit of C++`
`11:16.33`	`eps`	`I have submissions in with the education board in my country have .net banned from usage in highschool programming courses`
`11:16.47`	`eps`	`php is fantastic to know`
`11:16.49`	`nevcairiel`	`If you consider yourself a true programmer, you dont worry about the languages you know`
`11:16.59`	`nevcairiel`	`You just learn a new one if the need is there`
`11:17.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Once you understand the overall concepts, its damn easy to learn new syntax`
`11:17.35`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, depends on how terrible your memory is, every language I switch to I have to spend a week remembering syntax and methods!`
`11:17.40`	`Vulcanus`	`I know, always looking to learn, just saying that I'm not sealing myself in with one language as it is, so I don't have that mindset`
`11:17.54`	`nevcairiel`	`eps: a week is fine, you dont have to switch to it in a second :p`
`11:18.28`	`eps`	`you know some php, learn c as a base, and go from there. once you 'get' c you can do anything`
`11:18.41`	`nevcairiel`	`also, do some serious OO work`
`11:18.42`	`Ellipsis`	`<troll>a good programmer should be able to switch gears from C to Lisp to ASM in a matter of minutes!</troll>`
`11:18.55`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, or kill yourself, both about as fun XD`
`11:19.16`	`eps`	`c to asm in minutes should be natural anyway!`
`11:19.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Even if you dont like OO, you have to accept that its important ;)`
`11:19.26`	`Ellipsis`	`eps: not with lisp in between :P`
`11:19.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Java is getting more and more important`
`11:19.30`	`eps`	`oh I do, doesn't mean I don't hate it`
`11:19.37`	`eps`	`Ellipsis, well trolled :)`
`11:19.45`	`Vulcanus`	`OOP is fun, I do as much of it as I can when coding PHP (and keeping PHP4 compat working, of course)`
`11:19.47`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, true.`
`11:20.00`	`nevcairiel`	`screw PHP4 imho`
`11:20.00`	`eps`	`Vulcanus, spoken like a true cpp OO virgin`
`11:20.04`	`nevcairiel`	`php5 has so much nice stuff`
`11:20.30`	`Vulcanus`	`hey I just haven't found the right gir...eh I mean language yet! I don't go in be... learning just any language!`
`11:20.55`	`Ellipsis`	`can solve both your problems`
`11:21.01`	`eps`	`anyway I've been putting off an operating system assignment for the last few hours chatting with you lot (ironically it's implementing extra memory pointers for better memory management Vulcanus :P)`
`11:21.11`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`11:21.48`	`nevcairiel`	`Hm`
`11:21.54`	`eps`	`also it's nice to find a channel on freenode that isn't filled with morons or people who get angry if your not asking support questions. will stick around :)`
`11:22.05`	`nevcairiel`	`how is WoW Performance in Wine these days? Compared to Windows, that is`
`11:22.15`	`eps`	`haven't run windows for years :/`
`11:22.15`	`Ellipsis`	`careful with the hasty assumptions there eps, we have our share of morons :P`
`11:22.19`	`eps`	`but almost parity?`
`11:22.35`	`eps`	`I know I get 8fps more in shat than a guy in norway who has the exact same specs as me :D`
`11:22.38`	`Ellipsis`	`nevcairiel: if you listen to people like cnc, wow does better in wine`
`11:22.48`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont listen to cnc =P`
`11:22.55`	`eps`	`it really depends on your graphics card`
`11:23.06`	`Ellipsis`	`me neither, just trying to help with the information I have :P`
`11:23.07`	`nevcairiel`	`people always claim that wow is cpu bound`
`11:23.09`	`nevcairiel`	`but dunno`
`11:23.34`	`eps`	`wine's dx9c is fully implemented now and everything else is just bugs in wine...plus limited opengl calls and limitations in what the linux 3d drivers provide`
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`11:23.58`	`eps`	`wow isn't cpu bound, compared to say eve online which uses an exe/d3d blob :P`
`11:24.04`	`Ellipsis`	`does dx wow work better than opengl wow within wine?`
`11:24.08`	`nevcairiel`	`are there plans to do dx10? =P`
`11:24.22`	`eps`	`Ellipsis, again depends on your card but the answer is a generic yes`
`11:24.32`	`Ellipsis`	`huh...that's kinda sad`
`11:24.32`	`nevcairiel`	`ogl wow is so slow`
`11:24.34`	`nevcairiel`	`even on windows`
`11:24.39`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, they've been doing it for awhile now, the framework is being done as a SoC project`
`11:24.48`	`eps`	`as I said before, blizzard suck at ogl`
`11:25.11`	`eps`	`once dx10 is close to being finished in wine they will be porting it to windows :)`
`11:25.51`	`nevcairiel`	`i tried running the wotlk beta in opengl to test for some gfx glitches i've been getting in dx mode, and i realized that i'll never try to run ogl again on wow`
`11:26.23`	`jnwhiteh`	`ogl works fine on a mac =/`
`11:26.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`dunno why its so bad elsewhere`
`11:26.39`	`nevcairiel`	`because you dont have dx? :)`
`11:26.40`	`eps`	`ogl is the only mode that works on mac :P`
`11:26.56`	`eps`	`if you compare it directly to dx (which you can do best on linux as it is 'clean room') the difference is horrific`
`11:27.16`	`eps`	`it is even worse under vista`
`11:27.22`	`nevcairiel`	`possibly the mac team optimized the opengl support in the mac builds`
`11:27.40`	`nevcairiel`	`but then, why was that never ported to the windows binaries`
`11:27.42`	`eps`	`yeah when we only had macs last month we reviewed the release logs and they do optimise :)`
`11:27.48`	`eps`	`they did a really big set in 3.2`
`11:27.59`	`eps`	`the release teams are different I believe`
`11:28.14`	`eps`	`I like how linux bug fixes have been appearing for the last six months`
`11:28.33`	`eps`	`ANYWAY my assignment drags self away`
`11:28.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`DMCA takedown notifications are long`
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`11:29.05`	`Vulcanus`	`stupid CPU randomly clocks down the multiplier to 6x`
`11:29.16`	`Vulcanus`	`need to lock it in the bios, srsli`
`11:29.56`	`Vulcanus`	`triggers eps' highlight to get him away from his work`
`11:30.17`	`Vulcanus`	`no wurk? :(`
`11:31.08`	`Vulcanus`	`jnwhiteh: what did you do this time`
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`11:31.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`Vulcanus: submitting a takedown notice for a site that's hosting lightheaded`
`11:31.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`and about 13,000 other addons`
`11:31.55`	`Vulcanus`	`oh, thought you received one XD`
`11:31.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`and steals news frmo the other sites`
`11:31.59`	`Vulcanus`	`is it wowmatrix?`
`11:32.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`no`
`11:32.05`	`Vulcanus`	`please say yes`
`11:32.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`wowkon.com`
`11:32.07`	`Vulcanus`	`dammit`
`11:32.11`	`nevcairiel`	`i fail to navigate their page`
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`11:32.14`	`Vulcanus`	`Im not clicking that XD`
`11:32.15`	`nevcairiel`	`somehow`
`11:32.53`	`Vulcanus`	`oh you're clad, XD`
`11:33.17`	`StolenLegacy`	`Which API function should i use to do an event after 6 seconds, like the ingame command /in 6 /say this is 6 sec later?`
`11:33.33`	`nevcairiel`	`jnwhiteh: where do you see 13.000 addons there? i navigate to addons, and there is only a handful, well alot of yours ... :P`
`11:34.04`	`dafire`	`so cartographer 3 is released now ? :)`
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`11:34.44`	`dafire`	`aw.. just read the headline .9`
`11:35.00`	`dafire`	`never heard of that site`
`11:36.54`	`digmouse`	`LF an ace3 locale script..`
`11:37.38`	`Vulcanus`	`since the topic is legal stuff, I has question`
`11:38.24`	`Vulcanus`	`If an application is allowed to be used on a site under a licence which is revoked, does the database tables that application create belong to the author of the application, or the people who were given the application?`
`11:39.45`	`eps`	`it depends on the licence`
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`11:40.25`	`Vulcanus`	`it was not specified in the licence. The licence was purely "You may not use this script on your website without the explicit permission of the software author"`
`11:40.34`	`eps`	`but usually anything up to x-timestamp when they revoked it should be legal, anything after (created after?) wouldn't be`
`11:40.46`	`eps`	`was there permissions from the author?`
`11:40.58`	`Vulcanus`	`at first, yes, then later, no`
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`11:41.28`	`eps`	`then using it up till the point they revoked it should be fine (IANAL) and keeping data from just before it was revoked should also be fine`
`11:41.42`	`CIA-45`	`03Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate * r80173 10EasyDND/EasyDND.lua:`
`11:41.42`	`CIA-45`	`EasyDND:`
`11:41.42`	`CIA-45`	`-fixed issue with german client (bug id#1 on curseforge)`
`11:42.06`	`Vulcanus`	`to be less cryptic: I coded a guild website under that licence and when I got forced out of the guild I took down the site and uninstalled the app (thereby deleting the database), then I got legal threats from the GM's wife`
`11:42.24`	`eps`	`haha`
`11:42.44`	`eps`	`write a meaningful reply (no slander and be nice) on some toilet paper and send it back`
`11:42.54`	`eps`	`outlining why you don't agree with them`
`11:43.59`	`Vulcanus`	`it's no longer needed, I just gave them the stuff back as I couldn't be arsed with having them poisoning my in-game time (e-drama gets you nowhere), just wanted to figure out if they really could have me delivered to England (I'm living in Norway) to stand trial for that shit XD`
`11:44.15`	`eps`	`not at all`
`11:44.21`	`Vulcanus`	`good`
`11:44.45`	`eps`	`you should have given it back with a backdoor included :)`
`11:45.20`	`Vulcanus`	`I thought about it, but as it turns out they aren't using it anymore, they just wanted the DKP records the app had`
`11:45.44`	`eps`	`yeah`
`11:45.50`	`eps`	`no point causing drama over that`
`11:46.16`	`Vulcanus`	`tru, there was already enough drama based on me using a Read PMs script to figure out they wanted to take away my permissions in the first place XD`
`11:46.19`	`nocts`	`Vulcanus: That and Norway can't enforce their own laws within England.`
`11:46.31`	`Vulcanus`	`other way around but yea I did think about that`
`11:46.36`	`Vulcanus`	`Im not subject to UK law`
`11:47.17`	`Vulcanus`	`as for the backdoor, I have the perfect script for it too, some c99 PHPShell script, used it quite a few times in the past XD`
`11:48.04`	`Vulcanus`	`at one point I had a site so heavily infected that every single folder that was chmod 0777 had that script disguised as a file that would naturally fit within that folder`
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`11:48.19`	`Vulcanus`	`then I think the admin downloaded it to his comp and his AV caught it all`
`11:48.20`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`11:49.10`	`chexsum`	`youre not a nice person`
`11:49.23`	`StolenLegacy`	`sry to interrupt guys, anyone can tell me the lua command to execute a certain line x seconds after it is triggered (like the ingamecommand /in`
`11:49.25`	`Vulcanus`	`lmao`
`11:49.56`	`Vulcanus`	`only thing I can think of is an aceevent with a delay at x seconds and canceleld thereafter`
`11:50.00`	`thul`	`http://carlbildt.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/the-principles-at-stake/`
`11:50.01`	`Vulcanus`	`Im sure there's a better way`
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`11:50.15`	`StolenLegacy`	`well, at least some way...thaks, ill try it`
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`11:51.46`	`chexsum`	`youll have to use the update events and a time tracker or just use ace/rock event scheduler`
`11:51.50`	`eps`	`to be honest any server with 777 needs infecting`
`11:52.16`	`eps`	`777 should only be used on dump directories which are treated as hostile and dealt with accordingly`
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`11:55.35`	`chexsum`	`is everyone with wotlk getting hardware a changed dialog when going back to normal wow ?`
`11:55.45`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`11:55.52`	`nevcairiel`	`everyone gets that for some reason`
`11:56.03`	`nevcairiel`	`wotlk must be messing with the registry settings or such`
`11:56.22`	`chexsum`	`meh`
`11:57.19`	`nevcairiel`	`just click "no" and nothing bad happens`
`11:57.26`	`eps`	`mmm I doubt it`
`11:57.29`	`eps`	`that is interesting`
`11:57.37`	`kenlyric`	`Zeksie: is it possible with zomgbuffs to cast a different blessing on a player's pet? The overrride option keeps defaulting back to whatever the master has.`
`11:59.31`	`eps`	`nevcairiel, wow doesn't store any hw data in the registry, I wonder where it is being kept`
`12:00.54`	`nevcairiel`	`I have some HW fileds in my registry`
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`12:01.16`	`eps`	`my registry is 45 lines long and only has wow fields in it ^_^`
`12:01.49`	`nevcairiel`	`HK_C_U\Software\Blizzard\World of Warcraft\Client has some fields labelb HWCpuIdx HWSoundIdx HWMemIdx HWVideoIdx`
`12:02.46`	`nevcairiel`	`the video idx changes when i run live`
`12:02.50`	`nevcairiel`	`and changes back when i run beta`
`12:03.05`	`Ellipsis`	`anyone else have issues with wowhead's tooltip scripts causing opera to spike to 99% CPU for several seconds? /growl`
`12:03.18`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont use nor like Opera, so no =P`
`12:03.51`	`Ellipsis`	`hmph`
`12:04.21`	`CrazyBenny`	`Ellipsis: no`
`12:04.39`	`CrazyBenny`	`using the beta builds tho`
`12:05.07`	`Ellipsis`	`hmph`
`12:07.07`	`Zhinjio`	`hugs Ellipsis`
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`12:08.22`	`Ellipsis`	`sighs and hugs Zhinjio`
`12:08.29`	`Ellipsis`	`guess it's back to firefox for me then`
`12:09.01`	`Ellipsis`	`though I will note that mousing over a lot of things quickly causes more CPU churn than it should, even in ff`
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`12:10.09`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe the wowhead js thingy isnt as optimized as it could be :)`
`12:10.21`	`nevcairiel`	`making the browser hang isnt that ideal though =P`
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`12:11.13`	`Ellipsis`	`making the browser hang so hard that other programs are affected, no less... >_>`
`12:11.42`	`Zhinjio`	`time for bed. Talk to y'all later.`
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`12:12.21`	`Ellipsis`	`nighty night Zhinjio`
`12:14.03`	`Ellipsis`	`...so I copied/pasted all my tabs over from opera to ff, and ff uses twice the memory and 99% CPU`
`12:14.08`	`Ellipsis`	`facepalms`
`12:14.41`	`nevcairiel`	`you have some broken stuff`
`12:14.47`	`Daemona`	`hmm is the achievement page broken in the current build? 63/63 done looks broken for quests ,,,`
`12:15.18`	`nevcairiel`	`why does that look broken?`
`12:15.48`	`Daemona`	`because the numbers where divideable by 5 or 10 in the last build and like 30 more than they are now ;)`
`12:16.00`	`nevcairiel`	`which zone is that?`
`12:16.32`	`nevcairiel`	`Maybe they set it to some actual number of quests now`
`12:17.34`	`nocts`	`bernie mac died.`
`12:17.35`	`nocts`	`sad panda.`
`12:19.26`	`Punkie`	`indeed`
`12:19.28`	`Daemona`	`terrokar 63 e.g.`
`12:19.44`	`Daemona`	`nagrand listed twice...`
`12:19.46`	`Daemona`	`it looks broken`
`12:19.52`	`nevcairiel`	`nagrand has two achievements`
`12:20.06`	`nevcairiel`	`the hunter dude and the general achievement`
`12:20.28`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno though, looked fine when i looked for quests i could still do to get all achievements`
`12:20.35`	`Daemona`	`i know, but its listed with 87/87 and 75/75 for me`
`12:20.54`	`Ellipsis`	`so can anyone tell me which of the following sites cause ff to hog CPU: wowhead, wowwiki, gmail, wow forums, wowcompares.com`
`12:21.45`	`nevcairiel`	`i opened all of those in tabs and dont get any cpu usage`
`12:22.22`	`Ellipsis`	`sighs`
`12:22.34`	`Ellipsis`	`why does this have to be so complicated, I just want a browser that works`
`12:22.54`	`Vulcanus`	`get firefox`
`12:22.54`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`12:23.04`	`Ellipsis`	`did you read what I've just said over the last 20 minutes?`
`12:23.10`	`Vulcanus`	`no`
`12:23.11`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`12:23.14`	`Daemona`	`my guess`
`12:23.17`	`Daemona`	`its one of the adds`
`12:23.21`	`Daemona`	`;)`
`12:24.30`	`Fisker-`	`http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,getty:20050301:oly,photo,e9069654e472a74413906702d6aded19-getty-81972190mw013_olympics_day_:1 i lol'd`
`12:24.35`	`AcTiVaTe`	`It's Firefox 3 I presume?`
`12:24.40`	`Ellipsis`	`indeed`
`12:24.54`	`AcTiVaTe`	`Then I don't get it, Got 12 tabs open and it's using less than 4% CPU`
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`12:25.30`	`nevcairiel`	`i know that firefox uses like a shitload of memory with alot of tabs`
`12:25.34`	`nevcairiel`	`but cpu, i never saw`
`12:25.38`	`Ellipsis`	`I expected it to use tons of memory`
`12:25.46`	`Ellipsis`	`I was willing to sacrifice that for wowhead to work`
`12:26.11`	`Ellipsis`	`but switching from opera to firefox essentially changed my problem from CPU churn on one specific function of one specific website, to CPU churn all the damn time`
`12:26.21`	`AcTiVaTe`	`Just tried a flash site but CPU max goes to 25% and then back to around 10-15%`
`12:26.22`	`Ellipsis`	`uninstalls ff3`
`12:26.38`	`dafire`	`i thougt ff3 was the browser with best memory usage`
`12:26.42`	`Ellipsis`	`lol?`
`12:26.47`	`AcTiVaTe`	`Works great here`
`12:27.14`	`KriLL3`	`Ellipsis: you're doing it wrong`
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`12:27.37`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm open to suggestions, but I don't intend to spend all day screwing around with it...I have better things to do`
`12:27.54`	`dafire`	`http://dotnetperls.com/Content/Browser-Memory.aspx`
`12:28.53`	`nevcairiel`	`People usually run alot of extensions in firefox which boosts its mem usage alot`
`12:29.01`	`nevcairiel`	`but since i usually never have one copy of FF open all the time`
`12:29.04`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont bother`
`12:29.12`	`Ellipsis`	`it used ~2x the memory opera did out of the box`
`12:29.22`	`Ellipsis`	`for the same 15 tabs`
`12:29.28`	`\|Kev\|`	`the big gotcha with ff is that it's got a habit of the memory usage growing significantly while idle`
`12:29.28`	`Vulcanus`	`97mb for like 30 tabs and some heavyweight extensions`
`12:29.39`	`Ellipsis`	`Vulcanus: you're not counting your pf usage then`
`12:29.46`	`Ellipsis`	`use process explorer or somesuch which shows virtual size`
`12:30.04`	`nocts`	`^`
`12:30.13`	`\|Kev\|`	`FF is using 300meg/1.25GB for me`
`12:30.21`	`Vulcanus`	`fien Ill do that :p`
`12:30.23`	`\|Kev\|`	`admittedly, that's more than a couple of open pages`
`12:30.35`	`nocts`	`That shouldn't matter.`
`12:30.48`	`nocts`	`The spike occurs reactively to the javascript.`
`12:30.50`	`nocts`	`Not continual.`
`12:31.11`	`\|Kev\|`	`well - I've seen it grow significantly while I've been asleep`
`12:31.27`	`\|Kev\|`	`so, assuming I don't sleep-browse, it's at least not due to user input :)`
`12:32.01`	`\|Kev\|`	`but then, I've noticed ff seems to perform disproportionately badly on Macs, compared to Linux`
`12:32.24`	`nocts`	`I left behind FF when it stopped being a streamlined browser.`
`12:32.31`	`charon`	`anyone know if mmap()s count towards RSS?`
`12:32.55`	`Vulcanus`	`479 MB for me`
`12:33.29`	`Ellipsis`	`sounds more reasonable`
`12:34.00`	`Ellipsis`	`as someone who (normally) doesn't close her browser more than once every week or two, I'm used to 1-2gb virtual size`
`12:34.09`	`nocts`	`46M at 3 tabs`
`12:34.10`	`Ellipsis`	`which is why I switched to opera in the first place`
`12:34.18`	`nocts`	`Problem is, the size increases.`
`12:34.25`	`nocts`	`Without activity`
`12:34.43`	`nocts`	`Has to be an add somewhere.`
`12:34.46`	`\|Kev\|`	`Ellipsis: I close my browser when I wake up one morning and can't use my machine until I kill it :)`
`12:35.01`	`charon`	`i wonder what the number that you all are handing around measures`
`12:35.01`	`Ellipsis`	`I close my browser when I need to start a game`
`12:35.04`	`Ellipsis`	`-.-`
`12:35.11`	`\|Kev\|`	`ah, I don't game on the same machine I browse on`
`12:35.19`	`Ellipsis`	`I don't have that luxury :P`
`12:35.20`	`charon`	`i can have 5 konqy windows open, each a separate process, that each take 27M RSS`
`12:35.26`	`charon`	`but closing one of them only frees 8M`
`12:35.31`	`charon`	`i suspect the rest is shared libs or so`
`12:35.40`	`\|Kev\|`	`charon: that's the shared lib overhead`
`12:35.44`	`\|Kev\|`	`ah, faster than me ):`
`12:35.52`	`charon`	`well thanks for confirming that :)`
`12:35.55`	`Vulcanus`	`well time to dick around with my ram some more :p`
`12:36.23`	`\|Kev\|`	`charon: that's what I believe it is, anyway, but I'm not an expert :)`
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`12:37.10`	`charon`	`\|Kev\|: well i'm also wondering what happens if you mmap() a large file, for example git will mmap() the entire pack file if it thinks the system can afford it, which can mean several hundred MBs`
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`12:37.28`	`charon`	`does that count towards memory used? virtual size? resident set?`
`12:37.39`	`\|Kev\|`	`I have nooooo idea :)`
`12:38.53`	`nocts`	`I love you Tekkub`
`12:39.01`	`nocts`	`Is he on? Can I have sex with him?`
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`12:44.20`	`Vulcanus`	`right, so I have 2 ram sticks that work in either of the 2 ddr2 channels. lets see what happens when I swap them with the other two sticks`
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`12:46.12`	`Vulcanus`	`fans just spin to max and nothing more happens, no signal`
`12:46.16`	`Vulcanus`	`dead ram rite`
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`12:50.12`	`kenlyric`	`I had that happen and it was a bad fan on my video card.`
`12:51.02`	`Vulcanus`	`well I tried swapping out my card with my old 7900 GTX and it didnt work`
`12:51.06`	`Vulcanus`	`the vcard fan is working`
`12:51.10`	`Vulcanus`	`I can see it spinning`
`12:51.40`	`Vulcanus`	`and it doesn't explain why I can consistently get 2 sticks of ram working, but whenever I try to mix in any of the other 2 sticks, it doesn't :p`
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`12:55.15`	`KriLL3`	`always the same pair that works?`
`12:55.34`	`KriLL3`	`the other might be shot, if either set works but you can't mix they might be too different in voltage, timings, etc`
`12:57.14`	`Vulcanus`	`I doubt that, because they are all indentical ;) I bought a Corsair QUAD4X pack`
`12:57.41`	`Vulcanus`	`or X4 or however they name them`
`12:57.54`	`KriLL3`	`2 works but 3 and 4 don't?`
`12:58.18`	`Vulcanus`	`yep, if I try 1 and 3, 2 and 4, 1 and 4 or 2 and 3, failure`
`12:58.45`	`KriLL3`	`your mobo might not be configured properly to accept more than 2 sticks`
`12:58.46`	`Vulcanus`	`1 and 2 paired or nonpaired, doesn't matter, works just fine`
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`12:59.29`	`Vulcanus`	`no I meant just having 2 sticks in there`
`12:59.35`	`Vulcanus`	`but trying different combos of the 2`
`13:00.07`	`Vulcanus`	`if I run with 1 and 2, works. Swap them out for 3 and 4, fail. Swap that for 1 and 3, fail. Swap that for 2 and 4, fail. etc`
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`13:01.51`	`Fisker-`	`Ellipsis it's Fx3`
`13:03.19`	`KriLL3`	`Vulcanus: possible that 3 and 4 are gonners?`
`13:03.27`	`Vulcanus`	`ye thats what Im thinking`
`13:03.43`	`Vulcanus`	`in a week Im getting some test sticks on loan from a mate, if they work then I can be sure`
`13:04.57`	`Vulcanus`	`the thing that boggles my mind though, is that I hear that during a memory failure, the POST would let me know and just not proceed from there. But I don't even get as far as POST (or at least the monitor isn't being fed anything)`
`13:05.10`	`Vulcanus`	`could different mobos have different ways of handling dead ram?`
`13:06.16`	`Vulcanus`	`swapping irc back to desktop`
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`13:12.26`	`dafire`	`~seen tekkub`
`13:12.27`	`purl`	`tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8h 34m 59s ago, saying: 'but I'd like better layout'.`
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`13:31.24`	`vithos`	`anyone ever join a battleground and everyone's named Unknown, and you can't see the raid groups, but they're running around and combat works?`
`13:31.45`	`CIA-45`	`03Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate 07WotLK * r80179 10Elephant/Core-Initialize.lua: Elephant: fixed wotlk issues on copy panel and dewdrop menu`
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`13:37.46`	`Tinyboom`	`Vulcanus: what mb you have?`
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`13:40.05`	`Vulcanus`	`P5KC`
`13:40.07`	`Vulcanus`	`Asus`
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`13:45.22`	`Punkie`	`Cairenn: The hotel you posted is now fully booked :(`
`13:45.32`	`Cairenn`	`heh, not surprised`
`13:46.42`	`Cairenn`	`I got a good deal for everyone`
`13:47.15`	`nocts`	`$25 an hour wasn't bad for a spring-boxed bed`
`13:47.36`	`Vulcanus`	`starts to wonder what kind of weird sechs party you people are planning`
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`13:48.47`	`Punkie`	`Cairenn: it was a very good deal, too bad I only thought about going to blizzcon today :)`
`13:49.05`	`FinalX`	`hm, can you specify a slot when using /equip ?`
`13:49.07`	`Vulcanus`	`I like my theory about the reason for your hotel arrangements better`
`13:49.10`	`FinalX`	`like specify slot 13/14 for trinkets?`
`13:49.34`	`Punkie`	`Vulcanus: maybe I'd like the theory better too, so you're gonna have to share :P`
`13:49.39`	`Punkie`	`oh`
`13:49.40`	`Punkie`	`that reason`
`13:49.42`	`Punkie`	`indeed`
`13:49.56`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`13:50.32`	`Vulcanus`	`how could I not think that when I right clicked Cairenn and it said "Administratrix"`
`13:50.32`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`13:50.43`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`13:51.03`	`Vulcanus`	`naughteh`
`13:52.11`	`Ellipsis`	`wait, naughty things and I wasn't invited?`
`13:52.13`	`Ellipsis`	`feels hurt`
`13:52.19`	`Punkie`	`meh well I can't even buy tickets for it atm`
`13:52.24`	`dafire`	`so .. blizzcon key for this year is for d3 beta ?`
`13:52.25`	`digmouse`	`hug Ellipsis`
`13:52.56`	`digmouse`	`dafire: dont think so`
`13:53.08`	`dafire`	`they kinda announced it`
`13:53.17`	`dafire`	`Generally if a goody bag were to contain a beta key, it's nondescript. In the past we've never announced what the key will be used for as we generally don't know for certain ourselves until the time comes to herd them into an upcoming beta. We may use them for one purpose or another, depending on development timelines.`
`13:53.23`	`dafire`	`If your interest is in Diablo III, then I would highly recommend attending this year's BlizzCon.`
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`13:54.10`	`dafire`	`http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d3-general&t=334636&tmp=1#post334636`
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`13:56.14`	`Punkie`	`when it says blizzard account, would that be the same as my wow account or?`
`13:56.37`	`dafire`	`not really`
`13:56.41`	`Punkie`	`thought not`
`13:56.58`	`dafire`	`i think you can create one with the blizzard store`
`13:57.23`	`dafire`	`it's your email address.. in future it will contain your wow account`
`13:57.24`	`Ellipsis`	`you have to create a special temporary one for the beta`
`13:57.29`	`Ellipsis`	`it's special and not usable at the store`
`13:57.36`	`Ellipsis`	`just follow the instructions on the beta signup page`
`13:57.37`	`Punkie`	`oki`
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`13:57.43`	`Punkie`	`well`
`13:57.45`	`dafire`	`yes... for beta it's a temporary account`
`13:57.47`	`Punkie`	`i dont mean for the beta`
`13:57.54`	`Punkie`	`i mean for blizzcon tickets`
`13:58.08`	`Ellipsis`	`ah`
`13:58.11`	`dafire`	`the blizzard account will contain your wow account, your diablo3 account and stuff..`
`13:58.12`	`Ellipsis`	`fails at reading context`
`13:58.38`	`dafire`	`it's planed as a single login system`
`13:58.56`	`dafire`	`and already used for the blizzard store`
`13:59.12`	`dafire`	`guess there will be account wide achievements`
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`14:01.19`	`dafire`	`oh .. yesterday I thought about unlearn tailoring and now they add enchantment like stuff to it .9`
`14:01.41`	`Lyn_`	`oO?`
`14:01.49`	`dafire`	`Lightweave Embroidery`
`14:01.50`	`dafire`	`Embroiders a subtle pattern of light into your cloak, giving you a chance to cause an additional 800 to 1000 Holy damage when you damage an enemy with a spell.`
`14:02.02`	`Lyn_`	`woot`
`14:02.48`	`dafire`	`I planed to get inscription and herbalism.. right now I have tailoring and leatherworking .)`
`14:03.08`	`Lyn_`	`still have engineering`
`14:03.15`	`Lyn_`	`nothing new about this profession ._.`
`14:03.18`	`Lyn_`	`need bikes`
`14:03.30`	`dafire`	`blacksmith can add a socket to their bracers and gloves`
`14:03.35`	`Lyn_`	`and belt`
`14:03.44`	`Lyn_`	`titan belt buckle`
`14:03.46`	`Lyn_`	`or how its called`
`14:04.13`	`dafire`	`ah.. that'S something they can sell to others`
`14:04.28`	`Lyn_`	`mh, login down? XD`
`14:04.35`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`14:04.36`	`dafire`	`but the glove and bracer thing is for themselfs I think`
`14:04.38`	`Lyn_`	`nice`
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`14:04.43`	`Lyn_`	`where do you saw it?`
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`14:05.39`	`dafire`	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=12659.0`
`14:05.45`	`Lyn_`	`thx`
`14:06.12`	`KriLL3`	`there will be no major patches prior to LK correct?`
`14:06.36`	`Throngy`	`yep`
`14:06.44`	`Throngy`	`2.4 is the last of 2.x`
`14:06.53`	`Lyn_`	`thought there will be the talent patch like bc?`
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`14:07.05`	`dafire`	`yes.. 3.0 will come one month before lk`
`14:07.17`	`Lyn_`	`nice`
`14:07.18`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:07.24`	`dafire`	`but there will be no patch until then.. it would brake the beta installer ;)`
`14:08.08`	`dafire`	`well... my feeling is most classes get nerfes with 70 to be equal strong at 80 again :9`
`14:08.31`	`KriLL3`	`ah yes I remember prior to BC coming out all draenei/be quest givers in the old zones were added so you could get exalted with exodar/silvermoon if you did the quests + a lot of AV turn ins`
`14:08.40`	`dafire`	`5% away from that talent, 5% cut of the other talent...`
`14:09.06`	`Lyn_`	`i wish pally will be like this... retribution is sweet now (after fixing vindication and joj bug)`
`14:09.07`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:09.31`	`dafire`	`you could even farm some 70 stuff at the trash before karazhan`
`14:09.32`	Funkeh`	`needs a big nerf bat`
`14:10.02`	`Lyn_`	`:x`
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`14:10.04`	Funkeh`	`nerfbat + paly = balance`
`14:10.08`	`Lyn_`	`no!`
`14:10.11`	`Lyn_`	`:<`
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`14:10.25`	`KriLL3`	`joj is uberfail`
`14:10.30`	`Lyn_`	`joj is fixed`
`14:10.35`	`Lyn_`	`doesnt do double dmg anymore`
`14:10.45`	`Lyn_`	`and vindication seems to be fixed, too`
`14:10.46`	`KriLL3`	`there is no justice in making druids who's only major advantage in pvp is their speed run 100%`
`14:10.56`	`kenlyric`	`ooops, fail`
`14:11.18`	`kenlyric`	`hearthed on the wrong char, went from azuremist to coldridge`
`14:11.20`	`Lyn_`	`now fixing prot talents to do the intended holy dmg and its fine :o`
`14:12.05`	Funkeh`	`see?`
`14:12.08`	Funkeh`	`typical paladin`
`14:12.16`	Funkeh`	`gets a ton of fixes and still bitches!`
`14:12.24`	`Lyn_`	`no`
`14:12.28`	Funkeh`	`:P`
`14:12.30`	`Lyn_`	`;)`
`14:12.46`	`Lyn_`	`just the tankadin talents do physical instead of the (like tooltip and blizz says) holy dmg :P`
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`14:13.04`	`KriLL3`	`paladins seems to have trouble understanding that a class that has a ton of armor, can make themselves immune to just about every kind of CC and damage isn't supposed to deal damage`
`14:13.06`	`Lyn_`	`retri tree got some nerfes in beta ... but still fine`
`14:13.20`	`Lyn_`	`KriLL3, you are a warlock, right?`
`14:13.26`	`KriLL3`	`Feral druid, why?`
`14:13.36`	`Lyn_`	`oh, feral drood... says it all`
`14:13.56`	`KriLL3`	`yes the spec blizzard forgot`
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`14:14.11`	`Cheads`	`KriLL3 tried it in beta yet?`
`14:14.12`	`Lyn_`	`yeah, but a hybrid class who can heal, tank and do dmg`
`14:14.18`	`Lyn_`	`and say a pally shouldnt?`
`14:14.30`	`KriLL3`	`Cheads: I'd love to, now key yet :(`
`14:14.33`	`Lyn_`	`also immune to most of the cc stuff thanks to form switching`
`14:14.37`	`Cheads`	`Lyn_ a protpally can too?`
`14:14.43`	`StolenLegacy`	`sry, got a question...anyone can tell me how to delay a command in lua? like with /in x (something) ingame?`
`14:14.46`	`Cheads`	`heal tank and do damage`
`14:14.47`	`KriLL3`	`Lyn_: we can't do all that in one set of gear and with one talent set`
`14:14.49`	`Lyn_`	`Cheads, yeah, i am not speaking about tanking part, the dmg part`
`14:15.00`	`Lyn_`	`pally cant also`
`14:15.06`	`Lyn_`	`pally cant do dmg in tank or holy gear`
`14:15.10`	`Cheads`	`just as crappy as a feral druid`
`14:15.21`	Funkeh`	`well they can but not much ;p`
`14:15.25`	`Cheads`	`maybe even worse =)`
`14:15.40`	Funkeh`	`thanks to the whole +spellpower thing`
`14:15.41`	`Lyn_`	`beta retri tree is fine, cat beta tree is fine, too`
`14:15.54`	`Lyn_`	`:p`
`14:16.08`	`Lyn_`	`enhancement spec for my shammy is bad, so... :x`
`14:16.20`	`KriLL3`	`well from what I've seen of the beta feral stuff it's enough to get us up to par with most other classes and specs in the arena if we had all level 80 stuff at 70...`
`14:16.31`	`Cheads`	`KriLL3 a friend of mine (plays feral too) loves the new potential in pvp on beta`
`14:17.18`	`KriLL3`	`I'd love to try it also, alas blizz have yet to send me a key`
`14:17.25`	`Lyn_`	`typical druid, whine whine :P same as pally ... but when someone is fine with the talents the other class always have to sy "nerf it!" cause they doo 1 dmg less :P`
`14:17.49`	`StolenLegacy`	`"Nerf scissors, rock's okay" - paper`
`14:17.49`	`Cheads`	`retri are buchering everything in pvp now... but apparently that's a bit too much`
`14:17.51`	`KriLL3`	`I just hope we scale properly, atm a feral doesn't gain much by improving our gear past a certain level`
`14:18.04`	`Lyn_`	`Cheads, you are speaking about the JoJ bug`
`14:18.11`	`Cheads`	`yeah`
`14:18.24`	`Lyn_`	`its fixed`
`14:18.31`	`KriLL3`	`Cheads: they can't sustain dps and they can't maintain mana, but they can burst, got a lot of CC and can avoid almost all CC, and they can bubble to heal up`
`14:18.36`	`Lyn_`	`nowthey cant crit for 9-15k`
`14:19.06`	`Cheads`	`hard to tell how that will be at 80 anyway, KriLL3`
`14:19.15`	`KriLL3`	`if you manage to keep alive vs a retri pala long enough you've won, but that takes some avoidance`
`14:19.18`	`Lyn_`	`pally in bc has big burst, but less sustain dps`
`14:19.36`	`KriLL3`	`after he's oom and used up all his bubbles he's dead`
`14:20.01`	`Cheads`	`atleast you can annoy a pally abit when he bubbles now =)`
`14:20.09`	`KriLL3`	`cyclone ftw`
`14:20.25`	`Lyn_`	`so much qq in here`
`14:20.28`	`Cheads`	`gotta hate it (my main is a warlock.. alt is enhancement shaman)`
`14:20.48`	`Cheads`	`qq? I dont see any ?`
`14:20.53`	`Lyn_`	`:p`
`14:20.58`	`dafire`	`my main is wl also .)`
`14:21.07`	`Lyn_`	`my main is enhance shammy, sucks in beta, so..`
`14:21.19`	`KriLL3`	`why?`
`14:21.34`	`dafire`	`i found a way to metamorphis and keep the pet while being transformed :9`
`14:21.35`	`Cheads`	`I like the new stuff for the enhancement shamans`
`14:21.42`	`dafire`	`but I guess they close that bug until release :`
`14:21.45`	`Cheads`	`dafire no need to report that as a bug =)`
`14:21.56`	`dafire`	`already did .)`
`14:21.57`	`Lyn_`	`i dont want fuc-ing wolfes... i want the pre-beta "weapon mastery" back instead of a buggy maelstrom which resets timer`
`14:22.15`	`Cheads`	`.. reset swing is a bug...`
`14:22.18`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`14:22.19`	`Lyn_`	`as i said`
`14:22.20`	`KriLL3`	`wolves?`
`14:22.22`	`Cheads`	`wolfes aren't impletented`
`14:22.24`	`Lyn_`	`yeah wolves`
`14:22.31`	`Lyn_`	`they are`
`14:22.35`	`KriLL3`	`wolves?`
`14:22.37`	`Lyn_`	`saw them yesterday`
`14:22.38`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`14:22.40`	`Lyn_`	`spirit wolves`
`14:22.40`	`Megalon`	`they aren't`
`14:22.41`	`Cheads`	`no they aren't`
`14:22.47`	`Cheads`	`read the tooltip NYI`
`14:22.48`	`Megalon`	`spirit wolves deal 60dmg`
`14:22.50`	`Megalon`	`as of now`
`14:22.51`	`KriLL3`	`kinda like oomkin trees?`
`14:22.57`	`Megalon`	`and they have the [NYI]-tag`
`14:23.07`	`Lyn_`	`Megalon, but they are IN, who cares about the 60 dmg or 60 million dmg ;)`
`14:23.15`	`Lyn_`	`saw them yesterday, so.`
`14:23.23`	`Megalon`	`i care, because my melee shamy sux ass on the betaserver`
`14:23.26`	`Lyn_`	`they are just not finished`
`14:23.30`	`Megalon`	`i twink my less equiped chars`
`14:23.32`	`Lyn_`	`cant to anything instead of low dmg`
`14:23.41`	`Lyn_`	`me too`
`14:23.41`	`Megalon`	`because enhancement sucks atm :S`
`14:23.47`	`Megalon`	`so disgusting to play him`
`14:23.48`	`Lyn_`	`my shammy sucks atm, okay, ele is fine`
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`14:24.00`	`Lyn_`	`my ele gear is better than my melee gear, but i wanted to respec with wotlk`
`14:24.07`	`StolenLegacy`	`any admin of the wowace forums on? i have probs with verifying my email adress`
`14:24.13`	`KriLL3`	`did they nerf ench in BC also recently?`
`14:24.18`	`Megalon`	`enhancement is fine`
`14:24.24`	`Megalon`	`as long as you are at vengeance landing`
`14:24.25`	`Lyn_`	`enhance, not ench...`
`14:24.27`	`Megalon`	`and never use the lift`
`14:24.31`	`Megalon`	`:D`
`14:24.34`	`KriLL3`	`I've found they're a cakewalk on my feral atm`
`14:24.49`	`Lyn_`	`enhance is shit in pvp`
`14:25.01`	`KriLL3`	`I deal more damage and they can't land more than 1/3 of their strikes`
`14:25.10`	`Lyn_`	`only nice against some classes... mostly classes who arent do dmg and just stands around`
`14:25.16`	`Industrial`	`hi2u druid agi dodge`
`14:25.22`	`KriLL3`	`42% dodge + offhand miss chance = owned`
`14:25.27`	`Lyn_`	`indi hug my words`
`14:25.58`	`Lyn_`	`and with wrath you get a kitty charge (heroic leap like, but better) lol`
`14:26.01`	`Lyn_`	`:p`
`14:26.18`	`Industrial`	`I think they changed something with WF, it proces very often now`
`14:26.28`	`Lyn_`	`really?`
`14:26.30`	`Industrial`	`pew 2kcrit pew 1k pew 500 in 1 second`
`14:26.33`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`14:26.34`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`14:26.36`	`KriLL3`	`Lyn_: doesn't it have cast time thus you need to stand still?`
`14:26.39`	`Lyn_`	`they should delete the 3 sec cd`
`14:26.42`	`Lyn_`	`or lower it to 2 or so`
`14:26.46`	`dafire`	`is wf now raidwide ?`
`14:26.56`	`Lyn_`	`KriLL3, dunno, dont have a druid, sadly`
`14:27.04`	`KriLL3`	`does WF have less hitchance than normal strikes? when it procs all I see is a bunch of dodge/miss`
`14:27.08`	`Lyn_`	`dafire, wf totem now haste, and yes, raidwide`
`14:27.19`	`Lyn_`	`wf is special, should have 5% miss`
`14:27.21`	`Industrial`	`and you get a talent that buffs you on eac crit, stacking 5 times that lowers your casting time of a lightningbolt/lava burst/chain by 20%`
`14:27.25`	`Industrial`	`making it insta`
`14:27.33`	`Industrial`	`so when you dont have stormstrike or a shock up`
`14:27.36`	`Industrial`	`still pewpew`
`14:27.36`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, yeah, but its bugged atm.. so not nice`
`14:27.37`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`14:27.42`	`dafire`	`Lyn_, ah .. i saw the haste totem was nerfed from 10% to 5% last patch ?`
`14:27.44`	`Lyn_`	`maybe maelstrom is nice with lavaburst`
`14:27.55`	`Lyn_`	`dafire, thats spell haste`
`14:28.01`	`dafire`	`ah`
`14:28.03`	`Lyn_`	`melee haste totem is windfury, 16% unskilled`
`14:28.14`	`Industrial`	`isnt haste just haste in wotlk?`
`14:28.19`	`dafire`	`as i said nerfing everyting`
`14:28.24`	`Industrial`	`spell and meelee`
`14:28.25`	`Industrial`	`?`
`14:28.36`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, yeah, bntu the totem says "melee and ranged haste" and the wrath of air says "spell haste"`
`14:28.44`	`Industrial`	`hmm`
`14:28.49`	`Lyn_`	`sometimes i wish it were like vanilla wow`
`14:28.54`	`Lyn_`	`:x`
`14:29.00`	`Industrial`	`heh`
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`14:29.05`	`Industrial`	`having vanilla servers is fun`
`14:29.07`	`Industrial`	`daoc had it`
`14:29.10`	`Lyn_`	`:<`
`14:29.15`	`Lyn_`	`yeah, then i would play my rogue again`
`14:29.22`	`Lyn_`	`tried on beta yesterday... no talents working meh`
`14:29.28`	`Industrial`	`pally just for the alliance pvp set`
`14:29.29`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`14:29.32`	`Lyn_`	`XD`
`14:29.38`	`Industrial`	`I'd name him dredd`
`14:29.46`	`Lyn_`	`the alliance pvp set looks so sweet.. loved it`
`14:29.50`	`Industrial`	`yeh`
`14:30.09`	`Lyn_`	`"retrieving character list " meh`
`14:30.13`	`Industrial`	`"prepared to be judged, INFIDELS"`
`14:30.25`	`Industrial`	`mines stuck on loading`
`14:30.28`	`Lyn_`	`i hope blizzard adds the "second talent tree" for alternative speccing, that would be so sweet`
`14:30.31`	`Industrial`	`really, the beta server sucks`
`14:30.32`	`Industrial`	`:\|`
`14:30.37`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, coldarra?`
`14:30.41`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`14:30.43`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:30.46`	`Lyn_`	`alliance?`
`14:30.46`	`dafire`	`:D`
`14:30.53`	`Industrial`	`pings skyhigh, login not working, world erver down a LOT`
`14:30.56`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`14:30.59`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:31.00`	`Industrial`	`<-- Fllay`
`14:31.15`	`Lyn_`	`< Sence, Betalyn, Horacio on alliance side.. horde is Essence :x`
`14:31.28`	`Industrial`	`my hordie is Natarle`
`14:31.39`	`Lyn_`	`!`
`14:31.42`	`Lyn_`	`i see my characters`
`14:31.43`	`Lyn_`	`nice`
`14:31.46`	`Industrial`	`(both from gundam seed destiny) :p`
`14:31.57`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:32.02`	`Lyn_`	`just saw the old gundam series`
`14:32.08`	`Industrial`	`which :O`
`14:32.19`	`StolenLegacy`	`any admin of the wowace forums on? i have probs with verifying my email adress`
`14:32.20`	`Lyn_`	`gundam wing`
`14:32.24`	`Industrial`	`wing is my fav`
`14:32.28`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`14:32.29`	`Industrial`	`have you watched X?`
`14:32.29`	`Lyn_`	`its cool :)`
`14:32.34`	`Lyn_`	`the movie?`
`14:32.37`	`Industrial`	`no series`
`14:32.39`	`Industrial`	`50ep`
`14:32.41`	`Lyn_`	`uhm`
`14:32.47`	`Lyn_`	`no, but my brother has it on dvd`
`14:32.56`	`Industrial`	`its nice`
`14:33.00`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:33.00`	`Industrial`	`also old, but nice`
`14:33.05`	`Lyn_`	`yeah old is np`
`14:33.11`	`dafire`	`btw can you buy scribe-tools anywhere ?`
`14:33.12`	`Industrial`	`I didnt like gundam 00 (the newest one)`
`14:33.15`	`Lyn_`	`i also loved MILA SUPERSTAR !111`
`14:33.19`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:33.21`	`Lyn_`	`haha`
`14:33.33`	`Lyn_`	`dafire, i think in amber ledge and dalaran`
`14:33.48`	`dafire`	`I never was in dalaran yet .9`
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`14:33.49`	`Lyn_`	`meh, loading screen`
`14:33.54`	`dafire`	`where is amber ledge ? :)`
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`14:33.57`	`Lyn_`	`in borean tundra`
`14:34.00`	`Industrial`	`same, loading screen`
`14:34.08`	`Lyn_`	`next to the nexus instance`
`14:34.15`	`Lyn_`	`the place where the dragon sleeps`
`14:34.17`	`Industrial`	`heh im so disabled without my lightheaded and tomtom :<`
`14:34.26`	`Industrial`	`i actually have to look for things :p`
`14:34.26`	`Lyn_`	`:<`
`14:34.30`	`Lyn_`	`i just use doublewide`
`14:34.35`	`Lyn_`	`:D`
`14:34.38`	`Throngy`	`hehe`
`14:34.38`	`dafire`	`you could just ask.. like all the german noobs`
`14:34.45`	`Throngy`	`you'll be reading the quest text next!`
`14:34.48`	`Industrial`	`i do but I have no idea where things are`
`14:34.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`Industrial: update TomTom`
`14:34.51`	`Industrial`	`Throngy: yeah :<`
`14:34.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`and I have LH parsed`
`14:34.54`	`KriLL3`	`was it cart2 that made the quest log's objectives clickable showing a note on the map where it was?`
`14:34.55`	`Industrial`	`jnwhiteh: hai o\`
`14:34.56`	`Lyn_`	`dafire, thanks, i am german :P but i talk english on realm.. :P`
`14:34.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`but it won't have NPC locations cause they dont have em`
`14:35.14`	`dafire`	`Lyn_, I'm german, too.. but not one of those noobs ;9`
`14:35.21`	`Lyn_`	`yeah, me too :P`
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`14:35.35`	`Industrial`	`death to internationalisation on the internets!`
`14:35.38`	`Industrial`	`grabs a torch`
`14:35.45`	`Lyn_`	`burn the witches?`
`14:35.46`	`StolenLegacy`	`any admin of the wowace forums on? i have probs with verifying my email adress`
`14:35.59`	`Lyn_`	StolenLegacy, highlight Funkeh`
`14:36.41`	`Lyn_`	`meh, "Tip: Nearby qusetgivers that are awaiting your return are shown as a question mark on yur mini-map" thanks for the info`
`14:36.48`	ag`	`where can I see the wotlk frameXML?`
`14:36.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`wowcompares.com`
`14:36.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`as always`
`14:36.59`	ag`	`thanks`
`14:37.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`np`
`14:37.13`	`KriLL3`	`the worst "my language is the only in existence and I'll speak it online no matter what % of the people there knows it" offenders are the Bulgarians I think`
`14:38.26`	`Lyn_`	`I AM ONLINE :x`
`14:38.58`	`Lyn_`	`wtf`
`14:39.03`	`Lyn_`	`ah`
`14:39.05`	`Lyn_`	`there is my weapon`
`14:39.43`	`KriLL3`	`the first realm I was on and where my main & first char originated was made the un-official russian realm a couple of days after the game came out`
`14:39.45`	`KriLL3`	`joy`
`14:40.00`	`Lyn_`	`xD`
`14:40.22`	`KriLL3`	`I shipped out the first transfer that opened`
`14:40.51`	`Lyn_`	`where the heck is banthar`
`14:41.01`	`dafire`	`yesterday I asked a friend if he's in beta and he told me that he was in alpha... and he never told me :(`
`14:41.19`	`KriLL3`	`dafire: perhaps he enjoys life too much`
`14:41.43`	`dafire`	`I think it`
`14:41.50`	`dafire`	`time to close office an go home`
`14:42.20`	`Lyn_`	`^`
`14:42.25`	`Lyn_`	`^^`
`14:42.26`	`Industrial`	`worlf server down?`
`14:42.26`	`Lyn_`	`meh`
`14:42.30`	`Industrial`	`world*`
`14:42.32`	`Lyn_`	`dunno`
`14:42.35`	`Lyn_`	`i still can cast`
`14:42.42`	`KriLL3`	`don't go outside, you'll vanish`
`14:42.57`	`dafire`	`I had the same yesterday evening`
`14:42.59`	`dafire`	`could login`
`14:43.01`	`Lyn_`	`meh, i now realize the mobs had 0 armor`
`14:43.08`	`dafire`	`but nothing worked`
`14:46.46`	`Industrial`	`im gunna rage a bit on the blizz beta forums about this piss server performance`
`14:46.54`	`Lyn_`	`lag`
`14:46.55`	`Lyn_`	`meh`
`14:47.01`	`Industrial`	`how am i gunna test specs or even dps?`
`14:47.01`	`Lyn_`	`just cilled banthar and now lag -.-`
`14:47.06`	`Industrial`	`if i cant rotate spells`
`14:47.22`	`Lyn_`	`*killed`
`14:48.57`	`Lyn_`	`ahh`
`14:50.01`	`Xinhuan`	`zomg Ackis`
`14:50.06`	`phyber`	`was LibDropdown-1.0 ever finished, or is there some other DewdropLib type thing available that's LibStuberized?`
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`14:50.27`	`aestil`	`durcyn: heatsink is awesome.`
`14:50.31`	`nevcairiel`	`use the blizzard dropdowns`
`14:50.54`	`Lyn_`	`somebody stole banthar`
`14:50.58`	`Lyn_`	`eh bachelor`
`14:52.03`	`phyber`	`:/`
`14:52.53`	Funkeh`	`LibStuberized?`
`14:52.55`	Funkeh`	`nice`
`14:52.55`	`Industrial`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383588622&postId=53829742918&sid=1#0`
`14:53.00`	`AckisWork`	`sup Xinhuan what'd I do? lol`
`14:53.26`	`Xinhuan`	`you didn't do anything ;p`
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`14:53.39`	`AckisWork`	`that's a first heh`
`14:53.40`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm just happy we killed twins tonight!`
`14:53.43`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, i always have 200+ on live realms, but everything is instand.. XD`
`14:53.44`	`AckisWork`	`oh grats`
`14:53.53`	`AckisWork`	`any good loots?`
`14:53.56`	`Xinhuan`	`http://i36.tinypic.com/qx6vxx.jpg`
`14:53.59`	`Industrial`	`Lyn_: :<`
`14:54.00`	`Xinhuan`	`that's the spriest we brought`
`14:54.04`	`Xinhuan`	`to our twins kill`
`14:54.09`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, but only cause my brother dl's animes`
`14:54.11`	`Lyn_`	`^^`
`14:54.11`	`Xinhuan`	`our FIRST twins kill`
`14:54.15`	`AckisWork`	`...`
`14:54.25`	`Zariel`	`Is LibButtonFacade still being developped, havent seen JJsheets anywhere`
`14:54.37`	`Lyn_`	`Xinhuan, looks hawt :P`
`14:54.41`	`Xinhuan`	`i bet yu can recognize that boots`
`14:54.49`	`Ellipsis`	`I'd hit it`
`14:55.08`	`Lyn_`	`green spriest with t6 boots? nice`
`14:55.18`	`Xinhuan`	`actually, that's a hyjal trash drop`
`14:55.26`	`Lyn_`	`ah`
`14:55.29`	`Lyn_`	`the healing ones?`
`14:55.31`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`14:55.33`	`Lyn_`	`ah`
`14:55.34`	`Lyn_`	`okay`
`14:55.34`	`Xinhuan`	`and its unsocketted`
`14:55.38`	`Lyn_`	`lol`
`14:55.44`	Funkeh`	`Xinhuan, a nelf?`
`14:55.49`	`Industrial`	`^`
`14:55.52`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah`
`14:56.27`	Funkeh`	`I remember that gear`
`14:56.31`	Funkeh`	`I wore it a loooong time ago`
`14:56.55`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm i thought you were a warlock funkey`
`14:57.21`	Funkeh`	`um, no? :P`
`14:57.33`	Funkeh`	`my main is a rogue, at the moment`
`14:57.41`	Funkeh`	`that will probably change again`
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`14:58.37`	`Xinhuan`	`well feral staff dropped`
`14:58.41`	`Xinhuan`	`and no feral in raid`
`14:58.45`	`Xinhuan`	`and pvp neck`
`14:58.47`	`Stanzilla`	Funkeh` played a ugly dwarf imo :P
`14:58.48`	`Xinhuan`	`so kinda sucked`
`14:59.32`	Funkeh`	`Stanzilla, my dwarf was hot`
`14:59.37`	`Stanzilla`	`..or not`
`14:59.40`	`Stanzilla`	`^^`
`14:59.52`	`Lyn_`	`female dwarF?`
`15:00.10`	Funkeh`	`no`
`15:00.21`	Funkeh`	`he was ze pimp`
`15:00.23`	`Lyn_`	`urg.. nvm`
`15:00.25`	`Lyn_`	`=)`
`15:01.03`	`Lyn_`	`my gnome will get a irokese, that rocks`
`15:01.07`	`Lyn_`	`*an`
`15:01.46`	Funkeh`	`I will probably make a dk my main`
`15:02.13`	`Lyn_`	`hehe`
`15:02.17`	`Lyn_`	`thinking about the same`
`15:02.32`	`Lyn_`	`first i want to make a new rogue... but rogue somehow sucks`
`15:02.38`	`Lyn_`	`second thought was DK or pally`
`15:02.53`	`Lyn_`	`but pally only when alternative talent trees for switching are in`
`15:03.58`	`Industrial`	`pew world down?`
`15:04.06`	`Industrial`	`I CANT STAND THIS`
`15:04.13`	`Industrial`	`watches more asci-fi series...`
`15:05.04`	`Lyn_`	`mh`
`15:05.22`	`Lyn_`	`then it must be northrend`
`15:05.25`	`Lyn_`	`outland is online`
`15:05.30`	`\|xTReeM\|`	`hmm... anyone here can tell me how much different omen-versions can be till it shows up wrong data ?`
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`15:16.08`	`durcyn`	`several months at this point, xtreem, as it's been a while since the protocol changed.`
`15:16.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`depends on what class you play, actually`
`15:16.28`	`durcyn`	`however, being that threat-2.0 has received several bugfixes recently, i highly recommend the latest for everyone always.`
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`15:16.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`paladin has been changed around several times, all classes that can taunt have been changed around a bit`
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`15:17.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`so the version difference can be quite big for you to still see data, but it might not be as good as it can be`
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`15:25.19`	`Killmore`	`quick question, im on idle I just reload ui and AceOO-2.0 take 4.94mibs.. what aceoo do exaclty ?`
`15:25.20`	`Lyn_`	`10 minute lag`
`15:25.22`	`Lyn_`	`sweet`
`15:25.39`	`Shefki`	`Eat memory.`
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`15:29.51`	`Vulcanus`	`in ur wow, nom'ing ur ram`
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`15:29.53`	`Industrial`	`Killmore: dont be concerned with backend code.`
`15:30.20`	`Vulcanus`	`Translation: ITS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT OK WE DONT SUCK, GO WAI`
`15:30.29`	`Industrial`	`^`
`15:30.42`	`Industrial`	`if you can improve it, fine with me, but if you have no idea then it doesnt matter :p`
`15:30.51`	`Vulcanus`	`just joking ;)`
`15:31.00`	`Industrial`	`im not :o`
`15:31.21`	`Vulcanus`	`Well I suck at lua for real so I can't XD my head hurts when I try to read ace core files :(`
`15:31.37`	`Industrial`	`mine too ;P`
`15:32.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`mine too =(`
`15:32.15`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why we dont read them anymore`
`15:32.18`	`nevcairiel`	`and rewrote them :)`
`15:32.20`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`15:32.26`	`Industrial`	`and let it die peacefully with 3.0`
`15:32.32`	`Industrial`	`(fingers crossed)`
`15:32.41`	`nevcairiel`	`meh someone started patching it up =p`
`15:32.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`hides`
`15:32.48`	`Industrial`	`i know :(`
`15:33.05`	`Xinhuan`	`i was the last person to read ace2 lib code ;p`
`15:33.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`was not`
`15:33.20`	`Industrial`	`Imho just rewrite the addons using ace2`
`15:33.22`	`Xinhuan`	`ok 2nd last`
`15:33.43`	`nevcairiel`	`I should write a simple guide how to convert addons`
`15:33.46`	`nevcairiel`	`its not really hard`
`15:33.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`15:33.53`	`Xinhuan`	`what dor`
`15:33.54`	`Xinhuan`	`for`
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`15:34.04`	`Vulcanus`	`swap libs, check bugsack, change function calls, profit`
`15:34.06`	`Xinhuan`	`anyone that wrote an addon should already know how to do it ;p`
`15:35.06`	`Industrial`	`wtb bumpage http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383588622&postId=53829742918&sid=1#0`
`15:35.18`	`Industrial`	`I giefs huggles`
`15:35.21`	`Ellipsis`	`licks Industrial`
`15:35.29`	`Industrial`	`and licks for Ellipsis`
`15:35.44`	`Vulcanus`	`Do I get nekkid pics of ellipsis if I bump it?`
`15:35.55`	`Dotted`	Funkeh` ping
`15:35.55`	`Shefki`	`Sure.`
`15:35.58`	`Vulcanus`	`has eu account`
`15:35.58`	`Megalon`	`nope, but nekkid pics of Industrial!`
`15:36.05`	`Industrial`	`k.`
`15:36.16`	`Dotted`	Funkeh` ping
`15:36.22`	`Ellipsis`	`Industrial: also, wrt your thread, blizz just wants to test high-latency performance of the expansion ;)`
`15:36.48`	`Vulcanus`	`also why didnt you post it on the beta forums you nabb`
`15:37.02`	`Shefki`	`The beta server is sharing a server with the Blizzard Store, Duhh...`
`15:37.49`	`Vulcanus`	`egads, I has fully patched beta client now, must resist playing death knight... don't want content spoiled :(`
`15:37.49`	`Industrial`	`cause you are going to point me to the beta forum now Vulcanus :\`
`15:38.05`	`Yasuo`	`hi there. My guild wants me to greet everyone - do you know an addon doiing that (imhso stupid) quest for me?`
`15:38.07`	`Vulcanus`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/index.html?sid=2003`
`15:38.09`	`Vulcanus`	`dulivered`
`15:38.18`	`Shefki`	`Vulcanus: Baby horses, do it before Blizzard nerfs fun.`
`15:38.24`	`Industrial`	`theres no eu beta forum?`
`15:38.32`	`Vulcanus`	`that IS the eu beta`
`15:38.40`	`Vulcanus`	`sid 2000 is US beta`
`15:38.43`	`nevcairiel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/index.html?sid=2003 <-- EU Beta`
`15:38.58`	`Industrial`	`confusing ftw, i never go to worldofwarcraft.com`
`15:39.03`	`Vulcanus`	`phail`
`15:39.16`	`Vulcanus`	`shefki: its not like they're gonna rip out the DK starting area for live now is it :p`
`15:39.35`	`Industrial`	`Vulcanus: wow-europe.com there for a reason?`
`15:39.54`	`Industrial`	`(tbh i'd rather have no "eu" or "us" reams at all, just everyone everywhere :P)`
`15:39.59`	`Vulcanus`	`do you want me to prove that that's the EU beta forums? :p`
`15:40.07`	`Industrial`	`no`
`15:40.08`	`Shefki`	`Vulcanus: It's likely they'll change the fact that you can ride baby horses.`
`15:40.20`	`Vulcanus`	`oh you meant that literally`
`15:40.20`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`15:40.24`	`Shefki`	`In Ellipsis' imortal words it just doesn't make sense.`
`15:40.56`	`Vulcanus`	`well she likes to ride small things`
`15:44.46`	`Industrial`	`why does looting anything take 3 minutes/`
`15:45.04`	`Ellipsis`	`Vulcanus! who told you about that?`
`15:45.04`	`Industrial`	`rediculous shit`
`15:45.05`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`15:45.20`	`Vulcanus`	`tis quite obvious elli ;p`
`15:45.22`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, i have lag about 20 minutes now`
`15:46.09`	`Ellipsis`	`I rode a baby Industrial once...`
`15:46.14`	`Ellipsis`	`it still hurt :<`
`15:46.28`	`Vulcanus`	`come to norway and ride me instead XD`
`15:47.01`	`Vulcanus`	`the best way to realise how worthless your money is right now is to travel to another country`
`15:47.44`	`Lyn_`	`lag over, lag is back`
`15:47.47`	`Lyn_`	`whow`
`15:47.56`	`Industrial`	`Lyn_: who are you playing now?`
`15:48.02`	`Industrial`	`im on fllay`
`15:48.03`	`Lyn_`	`reminds me of the beginning of wow`
`15:48.09`	`Lyn_`	`i am currently on my dk, horde, essence`
`15:48.14`	`Industrial`	`k`
`15:48.30`	`Lyn_`	`but wanted to switch ... just wanted to turn in quests -.-`
`15:48.47`	`Lyn_`	`but the lag has one good thing: can rewrite some addons for my compilation lol`
`15:49.00`	`nevcairiel`	`ewww a compilation!`
`15:49.07`	`Lyn_`	`:p`
`15:49.10`	`Industrial`	`hm i wonder what happens to my shaman dps if I wield rogue weps (1.3 speed) and all this haste gear im getting from quests plus flurry`
`15:49.27`	`Industrial`	`pewpew?`
`15:49.32`	`Lyn_`	`sucks`
`15:49.45`	`nevcairiel`	`shamans need slow weapons!`
`15:49.47`	`Lyn_`	`much low numbers`
`15:49.51`	`Industrial`	`nevcairiel: I know...`
`15:50.02`	`Lyn_`	`like 1..1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1... and with slow weapon its like: WOOSH, 2`
`15:50.36`	`Lyn_`	`they should finally fix that damn ghoul bug`
`15:50.45`	`Lyn_`	`thats one of the reasons the serveri s always slow and crashing`
`15:50.48`	`Industrial`	`but if I get around 1.0 speed plus all the crit buffs you get as shaman surely that would account for something`
`15:50.55`	`Industrial`	`but hey i cant test it case of the gdman lag!`
`15:51.09`	`Lyn_`	`IF they removed the windfury inner cooldown`
`15:51.13`	`Lyn_`	`THEN maybe it would be cool`
`15:51.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have never had the ghoul bug happen to me yet`
`15:51.27`	`Lyn_`	`i had it ... 5 times now`
`15:51.31`	`Lyn_`	`unwanted`
`15:51.48`	`Lyn_`	`we (my group) did arena q in nagrand with 300 ghouls`
`15:52.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`how do you get that many?`
`15:52.10`	`Lyn_`	`2 of my group members got kicked cause their computers crashed ^^`
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`15:52.25`	`Lyn_`	`dunno, rumors said when somewhere are dead ghols`
`15:52.28`	`Lyn_`	`they get back to live`
`15:52.29`	`Lyn_`	`or so`
`15:52.34`	`Lyn_`	`dunno really`
`15:52.51`	`nevcairiel`	`meh stop abusing the ghouls`
`15:52.54`	`nevcairiel`	`you crash the servers`
`15:53.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`are you sure its not from the bloodworm guids rolling over lol?`
`15:53.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`running out of guids before the first ones die`
`15:54.07`	`Vulcanus`	`here nevcair proposed a simple request of not abusing game mechanics and you had to go be a nerd`
`15:54.33`	`nevcairiel`	`the stupid worms only live 20s?^^`
`15:54.54`	`Lyn_`	`nevcairiel, when i would now HOW to abuse them, i wouldnt do it, i just click on raise dead when i'm alone then whoops, hundred of ghouls`
`15:54.56`	`Vulcanus`	`I saw a pictar of a DK being healed for like 2k HPS on Durn due to those sodding worms XD`
`15:54.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`but ive had like 50+ going constantly`
`15:55.02`	`Lyn_`	`i only want one, not hundred`
`15:55.07`	`Lyn_`	`that sucks`
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`15:55.33`	`Vulcanus`	`WTB a ~drycode command for purl`
`15:55.40`	`nevcairiel`	`~drycode`
`15:55.42`	`nevcairiel`	`~drycoded`
`15:55.43`	`purl`	`it has been said that drycoded is Coding an add-on without testing the changes.`
`15:55.48`	`AckisWork`	`heh`
`15:56.03`	`Vulcanus`	`you're never living that one down ;)`
`15:56.18`	`AckisWork`	`I know :)`
`15:57.07`	`Vulcanus`	`hows ARL going? been AWOL from WoW due to Assassin's Creed and Mass effect this past week ;p any closer to getting new shiny gui implemented?`
`15:57.38`	`AckisWork`	`no idea on the gui`
`15:58.01`	`Vulcanus`	`nag your gui guy (try saying that 10 times fast) ;p`
`15:58.26`	`AckisWork`	`hehe`
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`16:11.31`	`CIA-45`	`03doktorjet * r80182 10DoIKnowYou/ (DoIKnowYou.toc Locales/ruRU.lua Locales.xml):`
`16:11.31`	`CIA-45`	`DoIKnowYou:`
`16:11.31`	`CIA-45`	`- added ruRU locale. A little bit rough, but better then nothing.`
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`16:19.28`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r80186 10FuBar_HealthstoneFu/ (11 files in 4 dirs):`
`16:19.28`	`CIA-45`	`FuBar_HealthstoneFu:`
`16:19.28`	`CIA-45`	`- initial import`
`16:19.36`	`Lyn_`	`i love the loading screen, did i say that?`
`16:19.47`	Funkeh`	`I hate it`
`16:19.52`	Funkeh`	`well I don't hate it`
`16:19.58`	Funkeh`	`I hate the fact they just removed the old ones`
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`16:20.32`	Funkeh`	`new loading screens ftw, not when they replace good ones :<`
`16:20.49`	Funkeh`	`Dotted, pong`
`16:20.51`	`nevcairiel`	`which good one got replaced?`
`16:21.05`	`fewyn`	`awesome, i'm now taking one college course this fall`
`16:21.11`	`Dotted`	`where did you hide fdFrames, or is it unrelased?`
`16:21.12`	`nevcairiel`	`i love the new eastern kingdoms and kalimdor screens`
`16:21.17`	Funkeh`	`outland`
`16:21.20`	`fewyn`	`i agree nevcairiel`
`16:21.25`	`Lyn_`	Funkeh`, i love the new sexy blood elf, the only blood elf i like lol
`16:21.29`	`fewyn`	`outland ones aren't very good imo`
`16:21.44`	Funkeh`	`the belf etc got replaced with illidan`
`16:21.44`	`nevcairiel`	`logs into outlands`
`16:21.51`	Funkeh`	`I don't care about illidan ><`
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`16:22.27`	Funkeh`	`Dotted, it's not released`
`16:22.35`	Funkeh`	`and never will be :P`
`16:22.39`	`Dotted`	`:'(`
`16:23.04`	`Lyn_`	Funkeh`, not the one in kalimdor
`16:23.07`	`Lyn_`	`meh`
`16:23.13`	`Lyn_`	`completed windroc mastery`
`16:23.19`	`Lyn_`	`and now i have a new quest, windroc mastery`
`16:23.26`	`nevcairiel`	`part2!`
`16:23.27`	`Lyn_`	`its the same -.-`
`16:23.28`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r80187 10FuBar_HealthstoneFu/libs/:`
`16:23.28`	`CIA-45`	`FuBar_HealthstoneFu:`
`16:23.28`	`CIA-45`	`- fix externals`
`16:23.28`	`Lyn_`	`no`
`16:23.33`	`Lyn_`	`completed part 3`
`16:23.36`	`Lyn_`	`now again part 3`
`16:23.37`	Funkeh`	`windroc MAAstery`
`16:23.46`	`Lyn_`	`rollback love`
`16:23.52`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`16:24.04`	Funkeh`	`you didn't hand it in then`
`16:24.05`	`Lyn_`	`but cool thing is: 2 plate shoes for selling!`
`16:24.12`	`Lyn_`	`i have the reward and the ep`
`16:24.23`	`Lyn_`	`so yes, i had turn it it`
`16:24.34`	Funkeh`	`Oo`
`16:24.34`	`Lyn_`	`-had +turned`
`16:24.51`	Funkeh`	`quest completion is a saving point, but for the quest too usually ><`
`16:25.04`	`Lyn_`	`^^`
`16:25.09`	`Lyn_`	`so double ep for same q, hooray`
`16:25.17`	Funkeh`	`not really`
`16:25.22`	Funkeh`	`maybe if it was a fun quest...`
`16:25.24`	Funkeh`	`;p`
`16:25.28`	`Lyn_`	`:P`
`16:25.43`	`Lyn_`	`2 lvls then northrend with dk`
`16:25.45`	`Lyn_`	`huzzah`
`16:26.00`	`nevcairiel`	`I would be way too lazy to level through outlands in beta`
`16:26.07`	Funkeh`	`ive been slacking`
`16:26.11`	Funkeh`	`as I knew would happen`
`16:26.13`	`Aii`	`meh... leveling dk is easy`
`16:26.16`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`16:26.20`	`*** join/#wowace Aikawa (n=shingo@p5B056F43.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`16:26.20`	`Lyn_`	`and also ep is... halfed`
`16:26.21`	`Lyn_`	`or so`
`16:26.22`	Funkeh`	`zanga = demotivates me`
`16:26.30`	`Lyn_`	`zanga was fun`
`16:26.33`	`Aii`	`hit mob, hit mob... bloodworms!`
`16:26.34`	`Lyn_`	`as horde`
`16:26.45`	`Lyn_`	`nagrand sucks so much`
`16:26.46`	`Lyn_`	`somehow`
`16:26.50`	`Lyn_`	`kill 50 orgres`
`16:26.52`	`Lyn_`	`kill 60 murkblood`
`16:26.58`	`Lyn_`	`killl yourself`
`16:26.58`	`fewyn`	`kill 200 windroc`
`16:26.58`	`Lyn_`	`etc pp`
`16:27.04`	`fewyn`	`kill 200 clefthoof`
`16:27.07`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`16:27.08`	`Lyn_`	`sucks`
`16:27.09`	`Aii`	`coughnesingwarycough`
`16:27.10`	`fewyn`	`kill 500000000000000 talbuk`
`16:27.13`	`Lyn_`	`even with bam bam dk`
`16:27.29`	`Aii`	`btw, the official verb for DKs is now "roflstomp".`
`16:27.38`	`Lyn_`	`?`
`16:27.46`	`*** join/#wowace Aeyan (n=fake@cpe-071-076-230-073.triad.res.rr.com)`
`16:27.49`	`Aii`	`(by no means actually official :P)`
`16:27.53`	`Lyn_`	`^^`
`16:28.00`	`Lyn_`	`i have to download "Come Here"`
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`16:28.02`	`Lyn_`	`so awesome`
`16:28.03`	`KriLL3`	`I'm confused`
`16:28.13`	`fewyn`	`I'm so glad my shadow priest is back on my home server in live >_> I'm never leaving Norgannon ever again.`
`16:28.13`	`Aii`	`patpats KriLL3`
`16:30.50`	*** join/#wowace nuoHep` (n=nuoHep@89.222.156.36)
`16:32.30`	`Lyn_`	`lalalalaa looting`
`16:32.57`	`Zyndrome`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/news/247.html`
`16:33.00`	`Zyndrome`	`oh mai`
`16:33.02`	`Zyndrome`	`Engineering :E`
`16:33.19`	`Zyndrome`	`and spellcast pushback changes ;o`
`16:33.31`	`*** join/#wowace Adirelle (n=gperreal@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net)`
`16:33.31`	`Lyn_`	`ENGINEERING? WHERE!`
`16:33.47`	`Zyndrome`	`Hyperspeed Accelerators - Permanently attaches hyperspeed accelerators to a pair of gloves, allowing a skilled engineer to increase their haste rating by 340 for 8 sec. The gloves can only be activated every few minutes.`
`16:33.50`	`Zyndrome`	`bricks`
`16:34.09`	`Lyn_`	`greatly increase runspeed for 0`
`16:34.11`	`Lyn_`	`lol`
`16:34.23`	`Zyndrome`	`# Nitro Boosts - Permanently attaches overpowered nitro boosts to a pair of boots, allowing a skilled engineer to greatly increase run speed for until cancelled. The nitro boosts can only be activated every 5 minutes.`
`16:34.31`	`Zyndrome`	`RUN FORREST RUN`
`16:34.47`	`Zyndrome`	`# Scrapbot - Creates a mechanical vendor that buys anything. The scrapbot leaves after 5 min.`
`16:34.53`	`Zyndrome`	`your own personal WALL-E`
`16:35.00`	`Lyn_`	`xDD`
`16:35.02`	`KriLL3`	`until canceled? wtf?`
`16:35.33`	`Zyndrome`	`I guess it cancels on damage`
`16:35.51`	`Aii`	`nah... "for until canceled" makes me believe some text just got left out`
`16:35.59`	`Aii`	`i.e. for X or until canceled`
`16:36.47`	`Zyndrome`	`Flexweave Underlay - Permanently attaches a flexweave underlay to a cloak, allowing a skilled engineer to turn the cloak into a parachute to fall slowly for 10 sec. The cloak can only be used every 5 minutes.`
`16:36.52`	`Zyndrome`	`I would like to have that now :p`
`16:36.58`	`Zyndrome`	`craters`
`16:37.04`	ag`	`how is it I enable UI errors again?`
`16:37.08`	ag`	`can't remember :`
`16:37.09`	ag`	`:P`
`16:37.15`	`Saroz`	`is there a mod that throttle the fucking AFK messages people send back?`
`16:37.32`	`Lyn_`	`Zyndrome, hope it stacks with normal cloak enchants`
`16:37.44`	`Zyndrome`	`hope so`
`16:38.07`	`Zyndrome`	`(I havn't enchanted mine yet, but meh I'm a holy pally :C)`
`16:38.15`	`Aii`	`Saroz: DontBugMe ?`
`16:38.25`	`dieck`	`Saroz: DontBugMe`
`16:38.33`	`Lyn_`	`http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=55342 < i think this istn mage spell... the one belf in the nexus does that`
`16:38.33`	`Saroz`	`kk thx`
`16:38.53`	`Aii`	`"Swordguard Embroidery - Embroiders a magical pattern into your cloak, causing your damaging melee attacks to sometimes ignore 1000 of your target's armor. You can only embroider your own cloak and embroidering your cloak will cause it to become soulbound."`
`16:38.59`	`Aii`	`^ for the melee priests`
`16:39.03`	`fewyn`	`xD`
`16:39.04`	`fewyn`	`yea`
`16:39.06`	`fewyn`	`i saw that`
`16:39.09`	`Aii`	`because seriously, what tailor is going to be meleeing`
`16:39.15`	`fewyn`	`i'm like who is going to actually use that?`
`16:39.23`	`fewyn`	`i know a few warriors with tailoring`
`16:39.30`	`fewyn`	`i'm still confused by that choice`
`16:39.53`	`Lyn_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:39.53`	`Lyn_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:39.53`	`fewyn`	`but they usually have enchanting to go with it or something`
`16:39.54`	`nevcairiel`	`well they just added one thing for everyone`
`16:39.59`	`fewyn`	`zOMG`
`16:40.03`	`fewyn`	`Lyn_`
`16:40.06`	`*** join/#wowace Aeorred (n=Aeorred@modemcable231.230-201-24.mc.videotron.ca)`
`16:40.06`	`fewyn`	`where is that?`
`16:40.12`	`Lyn_`	`on the world of raids site`
`16:40.13`	`Aii`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/news/247.html`
`16:40.17`	`Lyn_`	`just above the professions`
`16:40.18`	`fewyn`	`danke`
`16:40.19`	`Aii`	`scroll to Druid`
`16:40.25`	`Lyn_`	Funkeh`, yeah double ep from quest :p
`16:40.28`	`Lyn_`	`gern :p`
`16:40.28`	`Aii`	`in Part 2`
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`16:42.26`	`fewyn`	`damn`
`16:42.29`	`fewyn`	`engineering buffs`
`16:42.33`	`fewyn`	`those are sexy`
`16:42.48`	`fewyn`	`specifically the haste one, i wonder what the cooldown will be`
`16:43.03`	`Lyn_`	`i only hope they stack with normal enchants`
`16:43.05`	`Lyn_`	`:x`
`16:43.09`	`fewyn`	`yea`
`16:43.12`	`fewyn`	`but if they don't`
`16:43.18`	`fewyn`	`i still might take the haste one on my druid`
`16:43.31`	`Aii`	`Ritual of Souls: Charges increased to 25, up from 10.`
`16:43.32`	`Aii`	`bout damn time`
`16:43.43`	`Lyn_`	`nice`
`16:44.33`	`Aii`	`its annoying dropping a soulwell, having it disappear in 5sec, and then have people whine about how you didnt give them healthstones :P`
`16:44.48`	`Lyn_`	`^^`
`16:45.10`	`nevcairiel`	`they probably dont stack with enchants`
`16:45.51`	`Lyn_`	`nice, then i need again a new cape for this`
`16:46.01`	`Lyn_`	`or they made it like a new on use effect of the item`
`16:46.03`	`fewyn`	`nevcairiel yea but i'd still take the haste one over what i normally put on my gloves`
`16:46.05`	`Lyn_`	`then it would be cool`
`16:46.11`	`fewyn`	`depends on the cooldown tho`
`16:46.14`	`Lyn_`	`(i mean the run speed, an parachute thingy)`
`16:47.51`	`Lyn_`	`fix that damn ghoul bug ffs`
`16:48.06`	`phyber`	`tards still crashing the server?`
`16:48.12`	`Lyn_`	`seems like it`
`16:49.15`	`nevcairiel`	`they should apply a hotfix that disables the spell`
`16:49.15`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`16:49.15`	`nevcairiel`	`until its fixed`
`16:49.15`	`Lyn_`	`or just revert it back till its fixed`
`16:49.15`	`nevcairiel`	`(if its really the millions of ghouls)`
`16:49.15`	`Lyn_`	`i think so`
`16:49.15`	`Lyn_`	`cause`
`16:49.15`	`Lyn_`	`before the change`
`16:49.15`	`Lyn_`	`server runs good`
`16:49.16`	`Lyn_`	`in outland`
`16:49.19`	`*** join/#wowace aitch (n=shiv@87-194-71-221.bethere.co.uk)`
`16:49.40`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe they apply a real patch soon`
`16:49.58`	`Lyn_`	`hope so`
`16:50.07`	`Lyn_`	`the 511mb patch was full of bugs as it seems`
`16:50.16`	`fewyn`	`yes it was`
`16:50.21`	`fewyn`	`i hate my green hair`
`16:50.25`	`fewyn`	`and my green hooves`
`16:50.27`	`Lyn_`	`lol`
`16:50.28`	`Lyn_`	`hahahaha`
`16:50.34`	`jaxdahl2`	`http://jax2.zenblue.net/ferrante.JPG`
`16:50.38`	`Lyn_`	`i love the green tauren army XD`
`16:50.40`	`fewyn`	`and the white dragon on the login screen`
`16:50.48`	`fewyn`	`omg`
`16:50.55`	`fewyn`	`jaxdahl2 that is awesome`
`16:50.58`	`Lyn_`	`i love the irokese jaxdahl`
`16:51.00`	`Lyn_`	`2`
`16:51.12`	`Lyn_`	`too bad i cant use the barbier with my ud`
`16:51.16`	`Lyn_`	`:(`
`16:51.19`	`jaxdahl2`	`?`
`16:51.23`	`jaxdahl2`	`why can't you`
`16:51.30`	`fewyn`	`i used the one in UC on my druid`
`16:51.33`	`fewyn`	`i got new horns`
`16:51.37`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`16:51.43`	`Lyn_`	`i tried some barbiers with my undead dk`
`16:51.47`	`Lyn_`	`cant change anything`
`16:51.51`	`Lyn_`	`i want new hairstyle..`
`16:51.55`	`phyber`	`UD should visit the wig maker, not barber.`
`16:51.56`	`Lyn_`	`and new hair color`
`16:51.59`	`Lyn_`	`:P`
`16:52.19`	`Lyn_`	`then gief wig maker`
`16:52.37`	`phyber`	`he'll be implemented after Uldum`
`16:52.58`	`Lyn_`	`nice`
`16:53.06`	`*** join/#wowace selckin (n=selckin@78-22-100-64.access.telenet.be)`
`16:53.07`	`Lyn_`	`then i'll wait and get undead'ier then i am already`
`16:53.14`	`Lyn_`	`so the wig maker has much to do`
`16:54.27`	`*** join/#wowace selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo)`
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`16:57.47`	`Lukian`	ag`, minor agUF display 'bug' - when everyone's a ghost, including you, your frame displays "Dead" rather than "Ghost" (in raid)
`16:58.16`	ag`	`only when everyone's a ghost? :P`
`16:58.37`	`Lukian`	`well that's the circumstance I saw it in :P`
`16:58.51`	`Lukian`	`for some reason excessive information seems to come in handy XD`
`16:59.00`	`Lukian`	`I assume it does it always? hehe`
`16:59.23`	`CIA-45`	`037destiny * r80188 10LibBabble-Class-3.0/LibBabble-Class-3.0.lua:`
`16:59.23`	`CIA-45`	`LibBabble-Class-3.0`
`16:59.23`	`CIA-45`	`- koKR Update`
`17:00.16`	`Jerle[Sleep]`	`can't get to the blizzard store to buy my blizzcon ticket`
`17:00.34`	`*** join/#wowace Moddington_____ (n=chatzill@d75-158-89-184.abhsia.telus.net)`
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`17:01.19`	`fewyn`	`so how is everyone today?`
`17:01.27`	`fewyn`	`good i hope`
`17:01.35`	`Lyn_`	`i live, thats enough for today`
`17:01.38`	`Lyn_`	`work was shit`
`17:01.49`	`Lyn_`	`coffee was not as good as on other days`
`17:01.50`	`Lyn_`	`so`
`17:02.09`	`CIA-45`	`03odlaw * r80189 10PassLoot/ (20 files in 2 dirs):`
`17:02.09`	`CIA-45`	`PassLoot:`
`17:02.09`	`CIA-45`	`- Added a Settings tab, moved Quiet/Enable mod checkboxes there`
`17:02.09`	`CIA-45`	`- Added option to change output to different chat frames`
`17:02.09`	`CIA-45`	`- Added ItemLevel and RequiredLevel filters`
`17:02.10`	`CIA-45`	`- Changed ShowTooltip()`
`17:02.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Someone has created an addon status page for WotLK: http://www.wowwiki.com/WotLK_AddOn_status - might be useful to view/update`
`17:02.34`	`Lyn_`	`yeah`
`17:02.36`	`fewyn`	`yep`
`17:02.40`	`fewyn`	`been updating it as i find things`
`17:03.02`	`Lyn_`	`but only some of the updaters add download links to the working versions (for me, i dunno where to get them) :x`
`17:03.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Cool`
`17:03.30`	`fewyn`	`zomg`
`17:03.37`	`Odlaw`	`if you don't know where the working versions are, maybe include the version # that works?`
`17:03.39`	`fewyn`	`passloot is the addon i've been looking for for YEARS`
`17:03.49`	`fewyn`	`zooooomg`
`17:03.58`	`Odlaw`	`i've had passloot since zg/aq20/40 days`
`17:04.02`	`Odlaw`	`lawl`
`17:04.17`	`fewyn`	`i never noticed it existed`
`17:04.18`	`fewyn`	`until now`
`17:04.26`	`fewyn`	`i looked all over for something like it`
`17:04.34`	`Ellipsis`	`~fail fewyn`
`17:04.35`	`purl`	`fewyn: FAIL!`
`17:04.43`	`fewyn`	`it really has been around that long Odlaw?`
`17:04.45`	`Lyn_`	`i like how the one does it for badboy`
`17:04.47`	`Odlaw`	`ya`
`17:04.50`	`Lyn_`	`just a link behidn the name :p`
`17:04.58`	`Odlaw`	`used to only have 3 categories back then.. boe, bop, and zg/aq items`
`17:05.03`	`fewyn`	`Damn I feel like an idiot`
`17:05.09`	`Odlaw`	`now can make your own rules etc.`
`17:05.25`	`Odlaw`	`wasn't a wowace addon back then tho`
`17:05.39`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.3drealms.com/ <-lol @ security n00bs`
`17:06.08`	`fewyn`	`haha`
`17:06.14`	`fewyn`	`they didn't setup vBulletin correctly then`
`17:06.36`	`Fisker-`	`still the users fault for being stupid`
`17:06.47`	`fewyn`	`true`
`17:06.55`	`Neo\|Home`	`ooh they changed pushback mechanics`
`17:07.26`	`Neo\|Home`	`at most you lose 1 second cast time. still painful but pretty huge change`
`17:07.32`	`Jerle[Sleep]`	`so`
`17:07.41`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah not like you never finish your cast when 10 mobs hit you :P`
`17:07.53`	`nevcairiel`	`that was pretty annoying when doing low level instances as a lock`
`17:08.05`	`Vulcanus`	`HAI MY WOW PASSWORD IS PASSWORD, KEK`
`17:08.05`	`nevcairiel`	`and spamming seed of corruption`
`17:08.06`	`fewyn`	`you actually have trouble nevcairiel?`
`17:08.13`	`Lyn_`	`Vulcanus, thanks for the info`
`17:08.16`	`fewyn`	`well depends on the instance`
`17:08.24`	`nevcairiel`	`fewyn: not really, only when not paying attention :)`
`17:08.31`	`fewyn`	`heh`
`17:08.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`one of the most painful things with destruction when soloing if you get a few adds`
`17:08.40`	`*** part/#wowace profalbert (n=profalbe@80-123-20-124.adsl.highway.telekom.at)`
`17:08.40`	`nevcairiel`	`large AoE packs that survived one SoC blast`
`17:08.41`	`fewyn`	`i remember going into deadmines on my lock one time`
`17:08.41`	`nevcairiel`	`or so`
`17:08.59`	`fewyn`	`for shits n giggles (and enchanting mats to level with)`
`17:09.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`fewyn: I died, or almost died, in SM cathedral`
`17:09.27`	`Neo\|Home`	`when pulling the whole place since I couldn't get any spells off :P`
`17:09.32`	`fewyn`	`hahah`
`17:09.33`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah`
`17:09.35`	`nevcairiel`	`thats annoying`
`17:09.38`	`ramoz`	`so hm, is the master branch of oUF for wotlk and stable for 2.4?`
`17:09.46`	`nevcairiel`	`ramoz: i think so`
`17:10.20`	`*** join/#wowace Shirik\|Ecole (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik)`
`17:10.20`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik\|Ecole] by ChanServ`
`17:10.37`	`ramoz`	`lets give it a try`
`17:12.22`	`ramoz`	`ah, its on wowi now`
`17:12.31`	`*** join/#wowace Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@wikia/Kirkburn)`
`17:14.21`	`*** join/#wowace Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@wikia/Kirkburn)`
`17:14.55`	`Adirelle`	`any ace3 guru around ?`
`17:15.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`wtf they nerfed the imp firebolt to a 2.5s cast`
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`17:15.52`	`Aeyan`	`Did they up the damage?`
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`17:15.57`	`Aeyan`	`That'd be better`
`17:16.23`	`Adirelle`	`I've got a question about AceAddon-3.0:NewAddon() : what happen if I call it after ADDON_LOADED and PLAYER_LOGIN are fired ?`
`17:16.24`	`Stanzilla`	`Adirelle: nevcairiel is the Ace3 answering bot.`
`17:16.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`only says it hits slower`
`17:16.34`	`Adirelle`	`Stanzilla: ok, thx ^^`
`17:16.38`	`Adirelle`	`nevcairiel: ping ?`
`17:16.43`	`Stanzilla`	`hides`
`17:17.34`	`Adirelle`	`hrmf`
`17:20.54`	`Aii`	`Adirelle: is there a particular reason you'd want to do so?`
`17:21.29`	`CIA-45`	`03pericles * r80190 10InventoryOnPar/ (InventoryOnPar.lua InventoryOnParOption.lua):`
`17:21.29`	`CIA-45`	`InventoryOnPar:`
`17:21.29`	`CIA-45`	`-`
`17:21.29`	`CIA-45`	`v10.02 - Fixed Options panel crash - Blizzard had renamed generic I18N minutes variable`
`17:21.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`aha that's a feature of chaos bolt I never thought about - it can go through my own banishes`
`17:21.53`	`Adirelle`	`Aii: creating addon on the fly, e.g. creating FuBar plugin from LDB dataobject when the user enables it`
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`17:22.06`	`jaxdahl2`	`Neo\|Home, you test it?`
`17:22.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`<banish hard mob> <chaos bolt each cooldown> <reapply banish if needed>`
`17:22.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`someone on the beta forums have`
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`17:22.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`" I've used it on banished demons and it has worked there."`
`17:22.28`	`Neo\|Home`	`I should test it`
`17:22.31`	`jaxdahl2`	`i thought it was supposed to only work on defensive immunities`
`17:22.33`	`Aii`	`Adirelle: ew.`
`17:22.37`	`CIA-45`	`03ag * r80191 10MiniType/MiniType.lua: MiniType: Add safety, works with WoTLK now`
`17:22.38`	`jaxdahl2`	`banish isn't a defensive immunity`
`17:22.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`well ti IS NYI`
`17:22.51`	`Neo\|Home`	`so might not be final`
`17:23.04`	`Lukian`	`Last I read they were removing it :p`
`17:23.12`	`Aii`	`Adirelle: that seems to me more like an ugly hack just to support FuBar's outdated way of doing things`
`17:23.16`	`StolenLegacy`	`Neo\|Home: If that would work in the final release, it would be like...omg`
`17:23.17`	`jaxdahl2`	`they changed CB to NYI, then put it back in, something like that`
`17:23.21`	`jaxdahl2`	`i'm not real clear on what happened`
`17:23.37`	`Adirelle`	`Aii: it is ... look at Broker2FuBar`
`17:24.07`	`Saroz`	`Why isn't "DontBugMe" using ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter ?`
`17:24.21`	`Ellipsis`	`because it's old and taint-y`
`17:24.26`	`Aii`	`Adirelle: yes, which is also an ugly hack... so why continue that trend`
`17:24.27`	`Saroz`	`could save loading AceEvent and AceHook`
`17:24.37`	`Saroz`	`gonna fix it!`
`17:25.21`	`Adirelle`	`Aii: actually, I'm happy with fubar, but I also understand authors that doesn't want to include the full fubarplugin things into their addon`
`17:26.33`	`Adirelle`	`Aii: nevertheless, I found a solution`
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`17:28.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`jaxdahl2: it's still considered "NYI"`
`17:28.08`	`Neo\|Home`	`meaning it's there, but not final`
`17:28.42`	`cncfanatics`	`damn, EU login server is fcking slow`
`17:28.45`	`cncfanatics`	`for wotlk`
`17:28.48`	`cncfanatics`	`or is it the same as the US one ,`
`17:28.52`	`Neo\|Home`	`I only tried fire spec for a while`
`17:29.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`it was usable for soloing but obviously not effective`
`17:29.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`without a sacced pet for mana/health regen I went OOM`
`17:29.21`	`Neo\|Home`	`but dang things died fast`
`17:29.38`	`Aii`	`Adirelle: What I'm saying is, I'd rather someone created a patch/module for FuBar that allows a better API for LDB type stuff`
`17:29.39`	`Aii`	`rather than creating addons for each LDB object`
`17:29.54`	`Neo\|Home`	`Metamorph is FTW thoguh`
`17:29.56`	`Aii`	`Haunt bug was amusing`
`17:30.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`it was. I wondered wtf was going on and then I saw the >4k corruption ticks`
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`17:31.19`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone got problems logging in into the calderra beta realm ?`
`17:31.25`	`Pneumatus`	`yup`
`17:31.32`	`Vulcanus`	`calderra?`
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`17:31.40`	`jaxdahl2`	`colderra = eu`
`17:31.42`	`Pneumatus`	`takes forever logging in, then i get disconnected loading char sheet`
`17:31.46`	`jaxdahl2`	`coldarra?`
`17:31.47`	`Cheads`	`coldarra .. but yeah.. stops at authenticating`
`17:32.15`	`Cheads`	`been very laggy earlier too`
`17:32.26`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm stuck at connected atm`
`17:32.32`	`Fisker-`	`cncfanatics my friend`
`17:32.34`	`Fisker-`	`l2read`
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`17:33.08`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker- my friend, learn to not get ignored`
`17:33.18`	`Fisker-`	`1-0`
`17:33.23`	`Fisker-`	`to me that is`
`17:33.25`	`Fisker-`	`because i r right`
`17:33.48`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765582009&sid=2003`
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`17:41.53`	`Saroz`	`!seen Moonsorrow`
`17:42.20`	`Saroz`	`k, im ninjaing his mod`
`17:42.29`	`Lyn_`	`~seen Moonsorrow`
`17:42.32`	`purl`	`moonsorrow <n=moonsorr@HSI-KBW-078-042-053-180.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 117d 21h 7m 8s ago, saying: 'and maybe look at who could have possible broken it and report it to him'.`
`17:42.56`	`starlon`	`Did they change armor pen's tooltip in wotlk?`
`17:43.10`	`starlon`	`To percentage?`
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`17:52.09`	`Cheads`	`the prices on AH are really dropping since wotlk beta`
`17:52.43`	`Odlaw`	`tries his best to inflate prices`
`17:52.43`	`KriLL3`	`people figure all that stashed up lewt will be useless once LK comes`
`17:52.57`	`Cheads`	`yeah`
`17:53.20`	`Aii`	`that, and or people are realizing that some things arent worth speculating on`
`17:54.00`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`Lyn_ how important do you need moonsorrow?`
`17:54.15`	`Lyn_`	`saroz was asking for him`
`17:54.25`	`Cheads`	`several guilds are starting to have a hard time getting enough for raiding`
`17:54.26`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`he's my GM ;)`
`17:54.26`	`Lyn_`	`but he uses the wrong seen command :p`
`17:54.29`	`Lyn_`	`i know`
`17:54.49`	`Saroz`	`gonna ninja his mod and fix it up`
`17:55.10`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`hmm? xrs or gotwood? ;)`
`17:55.17`	`Saroz`	`DontBugMe`
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`17:56.30`	`syeren`	`Get MacTotemTimer!`
`17:59.02`	`Pneumatus`	`is there an addon that tracks the resurection pulses in BGs?`
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`18:00.42`	`Odlaw`	`are they all on the same timer?`
`18:05.12`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`major QQ inc... nomore development on quest-helper :(`
`18:05.16`	`Hjalte`	`Could anyone tell me the name of the wowinterface channel? And if it is on freenode? I recently reinstalled Windows :)`
`18:05.23`	`Pneumatus`	`i have a feeling resses pulse every 30(+1/2) second, regardless... no idea when the count starts tho`
`18:05.49`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`i guess its wowi-lounge`
`18:05.51`	`Hjalte`	`FtH\|Daemona: TourGuide and Lightheaded are the win combo anyway.`
`18:06.12`	`Jerle[Sleep]`	`questhelper is nicer because it doesn't rely on a prebuilt guide`
`18:06.16`	`Jerle[Sleep]`	`and just provides waypoints`
`18:06.23`	`Jerle[Sleep]`	`Daemona: where did you see this?`
`18:06.30`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`Hjalte but its not "self-learning" like i could log onto beta, grind 70-77 and had pefectly usable data for live`
`18:06.31`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`Project Status`
`18:06.31`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`To the best of my knowledge, at this point QuestHelper is no longer in development. Smariot and myself (Vipersniper) have both left World of Warcraft, and Nesher seems to have left as well. Anyone wishing to continue work on this project should contact (via this site) Smariot or myself.`
`18:07.00`	`Industrial`	`man, whats with all this haste on mail meelee dps items`
`18:07.06`	`Industrial`	`i dont want haste on my enh sham :(`
`18:07.11`	`Industrial`	`my speed is already 2.3...`
`18:07.14`	`Stanzilla`	`Hjalte: #wowuidev`
`18:07.29`	`Industrial`	`totally whacks my WF rotation`
`18:07.31`	`Industrial`	`amirite Lyn_`
`18:07.35`	`Hjalte`	`Stanzilla: Yeah, that's it. Thanks.`
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`18:08.14`	`Lyn_`	`Industrial, dunno ... mostly haste is ok, but only if your weapons are same speed`
`18:08.15`	`Lyn_`	`afaik`
`18:08.51`	`JerleMinara`	`i need to figure out why questhelper doesn't work in wotlk`
`18:08.55`	`JerleMinara`	`it doesn't throw errors, it just doesn't work`
`18:09.03`	`Industrial`	`but haste doesnt account for stormstrike cooldown :\`
`18:09.21`	`Lyn_`	`thats right`
`18:09.25`	`Industrial`	`and with 2.6 speed its exactly stormstrike+wf, normal, normal+wf, normal`
`18:09.30`	`Industrial`	`repeat`
`18:09.49`	`Industrial`	`afaik :p`
`18:10.21`	`Industrial`	`well wf isnt accurate on when exactly it procs but thats usually the case.. might miss a stormstrike some times`
`18:10.52`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`JerleMinara because its not aware of the new zones`
`18:11.03`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`doesnt have data for the connection points between the zones`
`18:11.04`	`JerleMinara`	`no`
`18:11.10`	`JerleMinara`	`i put those in`
`18:11.15`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`and... well throws a nice message like "i have no data, i shut down"`
`18:11.18`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`oooh really?`
`18:12.04`	`Gary13579`	`Anyone use BT4 here?`
`18:12.11`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`yes and no`
`18:12.13`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`;)`
`18:13.42`	`JerleMinara`	`anyone know how to measure the zie of a wow zone in yards?`
`18:14.29`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`i'd abuse tomtom ;) or ask ckknight cause he most probably knows from working on carto`
`18:14.38`	`ckknight`	`waves`
`18:14.43`	`Gary13579`	`Nevermind, I fixed it heh.`
`18:14.48`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`waves back at ckknight.`
`18:14.57`	`Gary13579`	`On another note, bloodworms are insanely overpowered.`
`18:15.05`	`ckknight`	`yea, if you know the width of a continent, you can programmatically tell the width of each zone`
`18:15.11`	`ckknight`	`I do it in LibTourist-3.0 and Cartographer3`
`18:15.13`	`Aii`	`Gary13579: old news`
`18:15.23`	`Aii`	`Gary13579: http://aiiane.net/images/bloodworms3.jpg`
`18:15.38`	`Gary13579`	`what SCT is that`
`18:15.40`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`ckknight what about converting quest-helper into a carto-3 module? hint hint`
`18:15.46`	`Aii`	`Gary13579: blizzard default`
`18:15.56`	`Gary13579`	`oh I forgot you could enable healing`
`18:15.58`	`ckknight`	`FtH\|Daemona: thought about it, might do it eventually`
`18:16.02`	`ckknight`	`I have a lot on my plate`
`18:16.15`	`jaxdahl2`	`i went into thrallmar yesterday with my tank gear on in blood spec and lasted several minutes with at least a couple dozen guards bashing me`
`18:16.18`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`just make sure your eyes arnt bigger than your stomach :D`
`18:16.36`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`(bad translation of a german proverb)`
`18:16.45`	`JerleMinara`	`honestly i don't even want quest helper`
`18:16.48`	`JerleMinara`	`the pathfinding stuff annoyed me`
`18:16.54`	`JerleMinara`	`i just want something that pops up waypoints`
`18:17.00`	`JerleMinara`	`err not waypoints but map points`
`18:17.04`	`JerleMinara`	`for quests :P`
`18:17.19`	`JerleMinara`	`turn off all the ant trails and flight guidelines and shit. just show me where the objective are`
`18:17.27`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`honestly, the Traveling business man routing is good for that`
`18:17.37`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`it saves quite some time`
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`18:18.18`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`but i agree, tomtom style arrow would be sufficient instead of the ant lines... but well the ant dots give you a rough overview in which order quest-helper sends you to objectives.`
`18:18.26`	`Aii`	`JerleMinara: that sounds like lightheaded+tomtom`
`18:18.48`	`JerleMinara`	`except for the part where lightheaded doesn't put down waypoints, unless i'm missing something`
`18:18.59`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`there are just 2 fundamental differences between lightheaded/tomtom/tourguide and questhelper`
`18:19.08`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`the first is premade level guides`
`18:19.23`	`Aii`	`iirc, lightheaded gives you coords, which can be clicked on to add wp's? dont recall, ive not used such mods in ages :P`
`18:19.25`	`JerleMinara`	`i don't want commentary or notes or premade guides. all i want is points on my map where my objectives are.`
`18:19.26`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`the later self-learning, auto-adjusted guiding for the quest you are currently on`
`18:19.27`	`Aii`	`i just remember them myself`
`18:20.02`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`i prefer tourguide for leveling up a new char, but if i do max-level questing, i just accept all i can get and want the fastest way to do them.`
`18:20.28`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`with the design of the quest hubs in WOTLK you dont need the premade guides, cause all quests on a hub end there and then send you to the next one`
`18:20.46`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`get the point Aii ? ;)'`
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`18:21.25`	`Aii`	`meh, ive always just done that instinctively :P`
`18:21.39`	`Aii`	`but then again i have a really good memory for quests`
`18:21.40`	`JerleMinara`	`goddamnit questhelper's code is ugly`
`18:22.02`	`JerleMinara`	`so do I, but my father always taught me a sharpened pencil is more valuable than a good memory`
`18:22.42`	`Aii`	`I've always found that a memory doesnt have the lead break at inopportune times`
`18:22.45`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`thats why you can write down and save the data on questhelper ;)`
`18:22.58`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`and distribute it`
`18:23.07`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`so you can skip the memorizing and just read the notes`
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`18:24.17`	`Hjalte`	`Can anyone tell me if TBC had 4 disks in the normal EU edition at release?`
`18:24.27`	`Hjalte`	`I hope it didnt have 5 at least >.<`
`18:24.38`	`Stanzilla`	`4man Hakkar with voidvalker tank...that was fun :D`
`18:24.49`	`Stanzilla`	`*w`
`18:24.51`	`Aii`	`FtH\|Daemona: my memory survives API changes`
`18:25.31`	`JerleMinara`	`so does a well-written addon`
`18:25.34`	`JerleMinara`	`unfortunately, questhelper is not`
`18:25.59`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`Hjalte no, my collectors has 3 + dvd`
`18:26.41`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`uh no 4 + dvd`
`18:27.04`	`Hjalte`	`FtH\|Daemona: Huh, it had both cds and dvds?`
`18:27.07`	`Pneumatus`	`standard release TBC was 4 disks`
`18:27.24`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`collectors edition is 4 cds + dvd`
`18:27.34`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`so you can install from one medium if you have a dvd drive`
`18:27.42`	`JerleMinara`	`I guess I'll try my hand at building an Ace'd version of QuestHelper`
`18:27.45`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`or from 4 if you only have a cd-rom`
`18:28.33`	`Zyndrome`	`40th Illidan kill, and still no mainhand!`
`18:28.37`	`Zyndrome`	`woohooo!`
`18:28.38`	`Pneumatus`	`vanilla wow went from 4 disks at release to 5 disks more recently`
`18:29.13`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`really? they rebuild the disc set to prevent patching? wouldnt expect them to do that ^^`
`18:29.27`	`Pneumatus`	`yup, they did`
`18:30.56`	`Aii`	`Zyndrome: i herd random loot iz random`
`18:31.04`	`Zyndrome`	`very random`
`18:31.29`	`Zyndrome`	`sits down in his Skull of Guldan chair, at his Skull of Guldan desk, in his Skull of Guldan house`
`18:31.36`	`Aii`	`lol`
`18:31.46`	`Aii`	`can i come raid with you one week >.>`
`18:31.50`	`Aii`	`my warlock would not mind one :P`
`18:32.08`	`Zyndrome`	`we had heal trinket this evening, obviously a bug`
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`18:36.55`	`Lyn_`	`guess what is not working`
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`18:40.36`	`Pneumatus`	`at a guess, eu beta login servers`
`18:40.58`	`Lyn_`	`right`
`18:41.01`	`Lyn_`	`and, server itself`
`18:41.45`	`Lyn_`	`wohow, after 6 minutes, i am in wetlands`
`18:43.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`Pneumatus: I heard it's at 6 by now, actually :<`
`18:43.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`dunno why they don't just use a DVD xD`
`18:43.36`	`Lyn_`	`wohow`
`18:43.39`	`Lyn_`	`can use my 2h axe again`
`18:44.53`	`Pneumatus`	`Gnarfoz: they probably want to cater for ancient macs that dont have dvd drives`
`18:45.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`or they have some very expensive market research company that told them that enough people don't actually have DVD drives in their target marketplaces`
`18:45.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`in general, rather than limiting it to macs`
`18:46.09`	`Pneumatus`	`maybe, i just considered macs as their users are probably less likely to upgrade a cd-rom to a dvd-rom`
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`18:51.28`	`Obelixprime`	`anyone have experience on the kj fight that I can ask questions about`
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`19:00.27`	`[Endeavour]`	`does table lookup speed depend on the depth of a table? (is table[v] faster than table.arg.arg.arg[v]?)`
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`19:02.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`table.arg.arg.arg[v] is about 5 lookups`
`19:02.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`table[v] is 2 or something`
`19:02.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`so, yes, it depends`
`19:02.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`(at least that's my understanding of it, someon ~smite me, if I'm wrong :P)`
`19:03.28`	`[Endeavour]`	`Thanks, love you guys you're always there to help coding beginners :)`
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`19:05.02`	`KriLL3`	`is there a way to copy the settings, shape and position etc of your chat windows from one character to another?`
`19:05.53`	`Fisker-`	`maybe chat-layout.txt`
`19:14.55`	`Ellipsis`	`is there a way to copy Fisker- from one internet to another?`
`19:15.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`Zyndrome: hate you`
`19:15.55`	`Zyndrome`	`orly`
`19:16.01`	`Neo\|Home`	`Zyndrome: 2 skull of guldan since december last year`
`19:16.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`only one currently on an active player`
`19:17.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`atleast 3 of our skulls are now out of guild`
`19:17.32`	`JerleMinara`	`you know`
`19:17.53`	`JerleMinara`	`trying to sort through questhelper's code is pretty frustrating. probably better just to write the damn thing from scratch`
`19:18.32`	Funkeh`	`doubt it`
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`19:18.34`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`uuh eu-beta down? hanging @ receiving charlist for 10 minutes now.`
`19:18.44`	Funkeh`	`last I saw it was A-massive`
`19:18.55`	`Lyn_`	`hanging on loading screen from if -> valgarde`
`19:18.58`	`nevcairiel`	`FtH\|Daemona: login is kinda messed up`
`19:19.02`	`JerleMinara`	`Funkeh: the code is just hideous and completely uncommented`
`19:19.02`	`nevcairiel`	`and zoning`
`19:19.05`	`nevcairiel`	`and sending mail`
`19:19.12`	`nevcairiel`	`screw those DKs and their ghouls`
`19:19.26`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`nevcairiel btw did the last patch push changes for stance bars?`
`19:19.37`	Funkeh`	`JerleMinara, fun, that's probably why I decided not to use it`
`19:19.38`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`honestly they should just hotfix disable raise ghoul`
`19:19.43`	`JerleMinara`	`keeping the prepackaged quest data they keep would be worth it, but the rest of it is just ridiculous`
`19:19.44`	`nevcairiel`	`thats what i said`
`19:19.59`	`Lyn_`	`or just revert raise dead to the old version with targetting`
`19:20.02`	`Lyn_`	`till its fixed`
`19:20.32`	Funkeh`	`Oh is the health thing Wotlk only? thought it was 2.4.3 live`
`19:20.34`	Funkeh`	`meh`
`19:20.40`	`Lyn_`	`meh`
`19:20.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't remember, isn't TourGuide basically already the same thing as QH, just with less users?`
`19:20.53`	`JerleMinara`	`no`
`19:20.59`	`JerleMinara`	`tourguide puts points on based on prebuilt locations`
`19:21.12`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`Gnarfoz no`
`19:21.13`	`JerleMinara`	`QH has a database of quests and items and puts points out based on what you have in your log`
`19:21.16`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`... what JerleMinara said`
`19:21.17`	`JerleMinara`	`and it also records data`
`19:21.29`	`DARKGuy`	`QH ftw.`
`19:21.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah`
`19:21.36`	`JerleMinara`	`it's an impressive addon, but the code is just..`
`19:21.38`	`nevcairiel`	`TG just guides you through the quests`
`19:21.39`	`JerleMinara`	`shudders`
`19:21.42`	`nevcairiel`	`with order and all`
`19:21.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`so you could basically use both at the same time and they'd complement each other`
`19:21.49`	`nevcairiel`	`QH just tells you stuff about individual quests`
`19:21.51`	`Neo\|Home`	`tourguide is a powerlevel addon. QuestHelper tries to do shortest-route for quests you already have`
`19:21.57`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`Gnarfoz no that would be ugly`
`19:21.58`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`;)`
`19:22.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`who cares`
`19:22.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`19:22.11`	`JerleMinara`	`too bad QH is no longer in dev and doesn't work in wotlk`
`19:22.11`	Funkeh`	`Most impressive addons start coded like crap though`
`19:22.18`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`in a way that both would battle for the power over the tomtom error`
`19:22.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't even have tomtom`
`19:22.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`19:22.28`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`-error + arrow`
`19:22.40`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm trying to puzzle out how it works and build a replacement of sorts that doesn't do the pathfinding`
`19:22.52`	`Neo\|Home`	`I personally prefer TourGuide nowadays`
`19:23.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`isn't that kind of one of the best features of it, JerleMinara`
`19:23.04`	`JerleMinara`	`no?`
`19:23.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`isn't that basically the only feature? :P`
`19:23.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`path finding certainly sounds like a major feature.`
`19:23.28`	`JerleMinara`	`it's pathfinding is slow, and cpu intensive and doesn't account for terrain`
`19:23.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`doesn't seem like it would have much use without that part`
`19:23.39`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`TourGuide ... is just like a ingame levelguide, Questhelper takes it database and associates those you have with a route and optimizes it, additionally it adds data from quests it doesnt know and "learns" it`
`19:23.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`I asked if it wasn't one of the best features`
`19:23.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`not if it was executed beautifully`
`19:23.52`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`personally, tourguide is the "level up a twink" version`
`19:24.03`	`JerleMinara`	`Neo: it has a giant, smart database that places map spots based on what quests yo have`
`19:24.05`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`and QH is the i have 5 quests and i want to do them fastests`
`19:24.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`sure`
`19:24.21`	`JerleMinara`	`if you know of another addon that does that, feel free to share`
`19:24.34`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`JerleMinara and i agree, the routing is the core idea behind it`
`19:24.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`seriously, no one but devs care about code quality. had omen not had a better feature set than KLHTM, do you think as many users would have switched to omen? :P`
`19:25.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`if you just wnat to know where to go, I'd say LightHeaded + tomtom/cart is a better choice`
`19:25.03`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`sure, cause klhtm was a real cpu hook`
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`19:25.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`maybe not as visual though`
`19:25.14`	`JerleMinara`	`lightheaded requires me reading through stuff`
`19:25.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`and still, everyone was using it, regardless`
`19:25.18`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`you recall the comparison on cpu load while solo out of combat in shattrath?`
`19:25.26`	`JerleMinara`	`i want to be able to glance at my worldmap Neo`
`19:25.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`Gnarfoz: many do not but ppl with lesser computers do`
`19:25.39`	`Neo\|Home`	`I'm cpu bound in most my performance`
`19:25.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`they just drop addons until they're down to a smaller set`
`19:25.53`	`Neo\|Home`	`so I care, even if I wasn't a dev`
`19:25.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`they'll still use titanpanel and ktm x(`
`19:26.00`	`Neo\|Home`	`mind you I read code and cry and change addons`
`19:26.29`	`Lyn_`	`LAWL`
`19:26.33`	`Lyn_`	`logged in my character`
`19:26.36`	`Lyn_`	`it says`
`19:26.36`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`JerleMinara and if you scrap the routing from QH or any rebuild, well i guess you can even spare the time of looking at it, cause the routing and learning is kinda one of the core features and why QH was that successful`
`19:26.38`	`Lyn_`	`character not found`
`19:26.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`FtH\|Daemona: yes, I do, and that was something that had to be done to point it out to those exact users I was talking about. just by running Omen instead of KTM, just those with really slow boxes would have noticed on their own ;)`
`19:26.40`	`Neo\|Home`	`I don't think omen was inheritedly more accurate or feature rich than KTM was initiall`
`19:26.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`it was certainly more feature rich`
`19:27.00`	`JerleMinara`	`i'd keep the learning`
`19:27.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`how so?`
`19:27.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`KTM didn't do multi target threat at all back then.`
`19:27.10`	`JerleMinara`	`i turn off the ant trails the moment i fire up QH tho`
`19:27.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`which was big`
`19:27.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, auto-resets via boss modules`
`19:27.21`	`Neo\|Home`	`well true, Omen did have some degree of multi target threat`
`19:27.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`I forgot :P`
`19:27.39`	`JerleMinara`	`and I don't think i'm going to be able to rebuild QH, I just don't have the programming background to sit down and write something of that magnitude.`
`19:27.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`was so long ago`
`19:27.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`true, true`
`19:28.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`JerleMinara: so maybe I'm missing something.. but I thought in QH you could disable the routing?`
`19:28.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`like with an option to toggle it off`
`19:28.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`meh. I'm not too sure chosing LVM + encryption on my 233MHz P2 laptop was such a good idea`
`19:28.11`	`JerleMinara`	`i do Neo`
`19:28.20`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm just thinking if I were to rewrite it i'd take that out`
`19:28.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`from what I read just now: that'd make it quite an inferior addon, regardless of code quality`
`19:28.59`	`JerleMinara`	`i'd be writing it for myself Gnarf :P`
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`19:29.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm not stopping you from learning stuff by just doing it, regardless of reasons or possible outcome`
`19:29.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`just saying ^^`
`19:29.26`	`JerleMinara`	`i'm aware`
`19:29.27`	`JerleMinara`	`:P`
`19:29.43`	`JerleMinara`	`but I don't think i'm going to. I'll puzzle at getting it wotlk compatible for a bit first and see what I can do`
`19:30.17`	`JerleMinara`	`the biggest problem is that it's all proprietary implementations of stuff with almost no libraries, so there's bound to be bugs all over the place in the various bits of duplicated code`
`19:30.42`	`JerleMinara`	`so you can't just slap in a wotlk compatible version of ace or rock or something and run with it :(`
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`19:41.40`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r80193 10Barrel/Core.lua:`
`19:41.40`	`CIA-45`	`Barrel:`
`19:41.40`	`CIA-45`	`- now handles tooltips properly.`
`19:42.46`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`19:42.52`	`Diao`	`anyone know with the new tailoring embroidery for cloak`
`19:42.56`	`Diao`	`does it stack with enchants or replace it?`
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`19:43.38`	`Vulcanus`	`replace like always, Ill wager`
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`19:45.03`	`Diao`	`boo :9`
`19:46.10`	`CIA-45`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80194 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ (6 files in 4 dirs):`
`19:46.10`	`CIA-45`	`ag_UnitFrames:`
`19:46.11`	`CIA-45`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:47.40`	`Megalon`	`hoory 4 r80194!`
`19:48.03`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone have suggestions for a good rpg fantasy game for PC ?`
`19:48.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`I think there's a hard limit of one "permanent enchant" per item`
`19:48.08`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`19:48.09`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`19:48.13`	`Diao`	`i may have to drop bs`
`19:48.17`	`Diao`	`pick up tailoring for cloak`
`19:48.19`	`cncfanatics`	`need some game to play when not raiding (I'd like some PC thing)`
`19:48.23`	`Diao`	`then drop tailoring and get BS again for the sockets`
`19:48.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`that sounds .. excessive`
`19:48.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`since you'll replace the cloak`
`19:48.45`	`Diao`	`1000 ArP`
`19:48.46`	`Diao`	`on a cloak`
`19:48.48`	`Diao`	`that is ridiculous`
`19:48.54`	`Megalon`	`Diao: yea, so rofl`
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`19:49.10`	`Megalon`	`so what, BS/Tailor as melee? kk blizz`
`19:49.16`	`Diao`	`i'd only replace the cloak once every 6 months or so`
`19:49.17`	ag`	`cncfanatics, I liked The Witcher`
`19:49.18`	`Diao`	`(arena seasons)`
`19:51.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`lol nice blue quote: "The drawback to players attacking your pet is that they are essentially crowd-controlling themselves "`
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`19:55.58`	`Groktar`	`epic quote`
`19:56.29`	`Groktar`	`i wonder what blizzard is planning on doing with blood frenzy`
`19:57.09`	`FtH\|Daemona`	ag` i just updated agUF from the wotlk branch via svn and it froze the login screen at the full bar, could hear ingame sound, but the login screen didnt go away until after like ...5 minutes? checked my frameXML.log and all i found was this: http://ace.pastey.net/93525
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`19:57.45`	`nevcairiel`	`thats not agUFs fault`
`19:57.45`	`nevcairiel`	`the beta server is just dead`
`19:58.08`	`Groktar`	`thinks nevcairiel did something to it`
`19:58.21`	ag`	`okay`
`19:59.19`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`oh wow, THAT dead @ nevcairiel ?`
`19:59.22`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`thats harsh`
`19:59.44`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`someone gonna write me a macro so i can whisper every deathknight to stop abusing the ghouls?`
`20:00.04`	`selckin`	`i'll help you get banned`
`20:00.14`	ag`	`woah, a new Inn layout in Wotlk`
`20:00.17`	ag`	`I'm amazed`
`20:00.44`	`nevcairiel`	`all dks just need to fucking stop use raise dead and it'll work`
`20:00.44`	`Groktar`	`noooooo`
`20:00.57`	`nevcairiel`	`but due to all the opt-in invites getting so many idiots on the realms`
`20:01.03`	`nevcairiel`	`good bye beta until its patched`
`20:01.17`	ag`	`raise dead bugging the servers?`
`20:01.31`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`yeah`
`20:01.33`	`nevcairiel`	`well thats our best guess`
`20:01.39`	`nevcairiel`	`because it generates like 50 ghouls`
`20:01.45`	`Groktar`	`heh`
`20:02.21`	`Neo\|Home`	`nevcairiel: so when I used it I got like 8 ghouls`
`20:02.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`and only when I was in this mine it seemed`
`20:02.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`the mine under Honor Hold`
`20:04.32`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`http://i36.tinypic.com/kccs4h.jpg`
`20:04.47`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`and my personal favourite`
`20:04.48`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`http://www.staneck.de/upload/files/80efb6-WoWScrnShot_080908_193842.jpg`
`20:05.33`	`FtH\|Daemona`	@ nevcairiel + ag`
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`20:05.52`	`Stanzilla`	`^^`
`20:06.14`	`Stanzilla`	`I got insta disconnected after that screenshot`
`20:06.27`	ag`	`lame :D`
`20:07.18`	`Ellipsis`	`buff dks, ghouls suck so bad!!!oneone`
`20:07.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`nerrrrff`
`20:07.43`	`Groktar`	`hey, that's almost like what happened when we raided orgrimmar!`
`20:07.48`	`Groktar`	`only there were more guards`
`20:09.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`i still dont see why people feel the need to copy their entire ui over to the beta`
`20:09.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`fluff and all`
`20:09.42`	`Groktar`	`hate ui fluff`
`20:09.53`	`Stanzilla`	`Arrowmaster: testing..`
`20:09.54`	`ccKep`	`(because standard UI sucks)`
`20:10.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`its easyer to debug when you have less potential culprits`
`20:10.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's also impossible to notice bugs in something you don't use.`
`20:11.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`well its not like the fluff addons are important and they absolutely need to be working when it goes live`
`20:11.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`they should, if they can`
`20:12.00`	ag`	`most important for me are action bars, unit frames and chat`
`20:12.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`there's no reason to excclude them :p`
`20:12.06`	`kenlyric`	`who determines what fluff is?`
`20:12.14`	ag`	`and bags`
`20:12.16`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: because fluff is nice if you're used to it`
`20:12.21`	`kenlyric`	`bags is pretty fluff`
`20:12.25`	`Groktar`	`artwork = waste of screen space`
`20:12.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`kenlyric: asshats do :>`
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`20:12.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`sorted one-bag ~= fluff`
`20:12.37`	`Groktar`	`^`
`20:12.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's fluff.`
`20:12.44`	`kenlyric`	`I can't live without my 30 pieces of flair`
`20:12.45`	ag`	`you think bags are fluff, but I can't use my bags if I don't have combuctor`
`20:12.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`I absolutely despise the multi-bag crap system wow uses`
`20:12.59`	`kenlyric`	`then you're pretty bad at life and should /wrist`
`20:13.01`	`Groktar`	`ya, it takes forever to find anything`
`20:13.03`	`durcyn`	`balls to sorting, i just want one frame`
`20:13.04`	`Neo\|Home`	`I came to WoW from SWG and SWG has essentially a "one bag" builtin, that you can sort`
`20:13.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`I absolutely despise the look of the standard buff frames`
`20:13.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`blah? :P`
`20:13.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`so wow was very much /wrist in that regard`
`20:13.23`	`kenlyric`	`nothing out of combat can be considered essential to playing.`
`20:13.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`fluff = artwork and other random stuff that has 0 practical useage to enchance the usability of the UI`
`20:13.47`	`Groktar`	`^`
`20:14.09`	`kenlyric`	`you're not strict enough`
`20:14.11`	`jy__`	`oh`
`20:14.12`	`kenlyric`	`go stricter`
`20:14.13`	`jy__`	`coldarra down`
`20:14.15`	ag`	`something that makes the game easier to manage by a large factor isn't fluff, and IMO that includes unit frames, action bars, chat and bags`
`20:14.17`	`jy__`	`15 min remaining`
`20:14.26`	`kenlyric`	`fail`
`20:14.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`like addons that do thing when you cast a spell..... never understood those, you just cast it so you know it was just cast`
`20:14.33`	`Lyn_`	`FINALLY`
`20:14.38`	`jy__`	`server shutdown messages broadcasted`
`20:14.40`	`Lyn_`	`SHUTDOWN(hopefully) for bugfix`
`20:14.48`	`jy__`	`:))`
`20:14.52`	`jy__`	`yeah`
`20:14.52`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`hmm coldarra down in 15min`
`20:14.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: or make some stupid mote when you use deathgrip`
`20:15.00`	`Diao`	`like what Arrowmaster?`
`20:15.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`Neo\|Home: EXACTLY`
`20:15.10`	`Diao`	`emotes or something?`
`20:15.29`	`Diao`	`it's for RP`
`20:15.36`	`Diao`	`...i think`
`20:15.58`	`ccKep`	`(playing in windowed mode and forgetting to minimize before alt-tabbing sucks... cpu fan goes like crazy Oo)`
`20:16.13`	`Diao`	`o_o`
`20:16.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`what did you expect ^^`
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`20:17.46`	`ccKep`	`something like "if window isn't shown -> don't render like cazy"`
`20:17.51`	`ccKep`	`but that'd be too much I think :o`
`20:17.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's shown, that's my point`
`20:18.05`	`copystring`	`Adirelle?`
`20:18.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`you didn't minimize it, like you just said yourself :p`
`20:18.12`	`ccKep`	`its not shown if x-chat is completely hiding it ;)`
`20:18.14`	`Adirelle`	`copystring: yes ?`
`20:18.35`	`copystring`	`your commit on Barrel breaks all tooltips`
`20:18.51`	`Adirelle`	`woot ?`
`20:19.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`ccKep: it is. that's kind of a central concept of a multi-window environment`
`20:19.25`	`copystring`	`*all barrel tooltips`
`20:19.54`	`ccKep`	`Gnarfoz: should be like IsShown() and IsVisible() imho`
`20:20.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`it isn't.`
`20:20.11`	`Adirelle`	`weird, they are working nicely here, how are they broken ?`
`20:20.12`	`ccKep`	`thats why I said "should be" ;)`
`20:20.14`	ag`	`btw`
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`20:20.24`	ag`	`what does that SVN/curse thing going to happen?`
`20:20.24`	`Zhinjio`	`G"morning.`
`20:20.33`	ag`	`are we looking at weeks or months?`
`20:20.36`	`Ellipsis`	`hugs Zhinjio`
`20:20.45`	`Zhinjio`	`hugs Ellipsis`
`20:20.53`	`copystring`	`they just don't appear here and i get a error`
`20:21.11`	`ulic`	ag`: I think they were hoping to do like now, but I think it got pushed back a few weeks, last I heard anyways.
`20:21.57`	`copystring`	`Adirelle, http://pastebin.com/d28db276c`
`20:22.06`	`sb`	`FtH\|Daemona: patch coming? :o`
`20:22.47`	`Stanzilla`	`copystring: maybe that's a Tekkub problem :P`
`20:23.02`	`copystring`	`i get this for any addon, not just tekability`
`20:23.16`	`copystring`	`any addon that uses ldb`
`20:23.29`	`Stanzilla`	`k`
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`20:26.45`	`Ellipsis`	`ping Tekkub`
`20:26.58`	`cncfanatics`	`does the witcher work ok with wine ?`
`20:27.03`	`Tekkub`	`wut more work?`
`20:27.05`	`cncfanatics`	`appdb has conflicting reports`
`20:27.20`	`Ellipsis`	`minor tourguide_recorder bug if you care`
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`20:27.36`	`Tekkub`	`astrolabe version?`
`20:27.45`	`Hjalte`	`I've been trying to install World of Warcraft all day. Bah. Right now I've got 2.0.0 (6080) but I get disconnected when trying to connect and it doesnt offer me any patch downloads >.<`
`20:27.54`	`Ellipsis`	`er...it's just that your slash handler doesn't work`
`20:28.09`	`Tekkub`	`oh, yea I think I need to change it`
`20:28.19`	`Ellipsis`	`you're accepting a self arg which doesn't exist for slashies :P`
`20:28.27`	`Tekkub`	`it did`
`20:28.28`	`Ellipsis`	`works fine once you remove that though`
`20:30.18`	`Adirelle`	`copystring: got something, testing it a fix`
`20:30.25`	`Adirelle`	`s/ it / /`
`20:30.58`	`Stanzilla`	`Adirelle: will you port simpleselfrebuff to ace3, too?`
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`20:31.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`speaking of self rebuff, is there an auto-self-buffer / notifier for wotlk yet?`
`20:32.01`	`Neo\|Home`	`because I keep forgetting Fel Armor (make it no duration already!)`
`20:32.30`	`Adirelle`	`Stanzilla: I could but I'm working on Yatba actually and I still have issues with CastYeller, so I'm quite busy`
`20:32.37`	`Stanzilla`	`ah ok :)`
`20:32.43`	`Stanzilla`	`SSR is broken in wotlk btw`
`20:33.42`	`kadrahil`	`soviet socialist republic?`
`20:33.56`	`sb`	`riding in capital cities is broken, thats what really sucks :/`
`20:34.02`	`kadrahil`	`how does dalaran look?`
`20:34.07`	`sb`	`get out of undercity without mount... bah`
`20:34.08`	`Ellipsis`	`also onyxia deep breaths moar :(`
`20:34.12`	`kadrahil`	`hah`
`20:34.22`	`Hjalte`	`What is the easiest way to download a working World of Warcraft including TBC? Don't say wowwikis patch mirrors :(`
`20:34.54`	`sb`	`official blizz download`
`20:35.03`	`sb`	`+ run launcher few times`
`20:35.04`	`Hjalte`	`sb: I tried that too, I managed to fuck that up too.`
`20:35.13`	`sb`	`mhh - worked for me ~3 weeks ago`
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`20:35.26`	`fewyn`	`run the torrent Hjalte`
`20:35.27`	`sb`	`reinstalled wow + tbc, no problems at all`
`20:35.31`	`fewyn`	`that are on the patch mirrors site`
`20:36.06`	`Hjalte`	`I downloaded WoW, installed, then downloaded TBC, installed and got stuck on v. 2.0.0 (6080). Now I'm downloading a 2.x --> 2.4 patch from non-official sources, but I somehow doubt it works.`
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`20:36.40`	`[Endeavour]`	`Hjalte: go to ftp.freenet.de with an ftp client, using /pub/4players/hosted/worldofwarcraft/patch as standart folder, you'll find all enUS, enGB and deDE patches there`
`20:37.25`	`[Endeavour]`	`100% working, as i always get my patches there`
`20:37.37`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r80196 10Barrel/Core.lua:`
`20:37.37`	`CIA-45`	`Barrel:`
`20:37.37`	`CIA-45`	`- fixed an issue with OnEnter/OnLeave.`
`20:37.59`	`Adirelle`	`copystring: could you test r80196 please ?`
`20:38.05`	`Hjalte`	`I'll check it out if this doesn't work. If I want to do it the foolproof way, I guess installing wow from cds, fully updating, then installing tbc from cds should work?`
`20:38.07`	`Adirelle`	`Stanzilla: I don't have any access to wotlk...`
`20:38.15`	`copystring`	`aye, just a min :)`
`20:38.37`	`Stanzilla`	`Adirelle: oh :/ I think it's broken because of the buff api changes`
`20:39.36`	Funkeh`	`Adirelle, just so you know tooltiptext is defunct a while ago`
`20:40.06`	`Adirelle`	`any way to ask for a wotlk beta key as an addon author ? I knew Blizzard talked about it some (long) time ago`
`20:40.50`	`copystring`	`Adirelle: the tooltip works now, some icons from Fubar... dont work tho`
`20:41.02`	`copystring`	`they worked before :p`
`20:41.12`	`[Endeavour]`	`Adirelle: seems so, but not for everyone. never got one although i did every step in http://wow.curseforge.com/announcements/lich-king-beta-author-key-giveaway/`
`20:41.15`	`Adirelle`	Funkeh`: didn't know, Tekkub's API page are outdated though :p
`20:41.27`	Funkeh`	`not really`
`20:41.35`	Funkeh`	`not sure what page you're looking at`
`20:41.44`	Funkeh`	`github one is up to date`
`20:42.49`	`Adirelle`	Funkeh`: nevermind, the old all-in-one page still list tooltiptext, btw I borrowed this from other display addons (Fortress mainly)
`20:42.52`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r80197 10Prat/modules/Pending/:`
`20:42.52`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`20:42.52`	`CIA-45`	`Create pending folder for not yet converted modules`
`20:44.56`	`Adirelle`	`copystring: wait... what the link between Barrel and FuBar ??`
`20:45.22`	`copystring`	`i have some fubar objects via Fubar2Broker`
`20:45.48`	`copystring`	`Fubar - AtlasFu for example doesnt have an icon`
`20:45.49`	`Lyn_`	`how can i "mirror" a texture?`
`20:45.56`	`Lyn_`	`http://phc.phcnet.de/wow/WoWScrnShot_081108_224449.jpg want to fix this`
`20:45.57`	`Lyn_`	`:x`
`20:46.00`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r80198 10Prat/modules/Pending/ (18 files):`
`20:46.00`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`20:46.00`	`CIA-45`	`Move pending modules to pending folder (duh)`
`20:46.00`	`Stanzilla`	`Adirelle: http://wowinterface.com/beta.php`
`20:46.28`	Funkeh`	`fix?`
`20:47.10`	`Lyn_`	`yeah just mirror it`
`20:47.20`	`Adirelle`	`hmm... so, if I update one of my addon to wowinterface, I may ask for a key... may worth giving a try ^^`
`20:47.49`	`Adirelle`	`copystring: quite strange, I didn't changed anything related to icons`
`20:48.30`	`copystring`	`hmm strange`
`20:51.56`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r80199 10Prat/ (22 files in 3 dirs):`
`20:51.56`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`20:51.56`	`CIA-45`	`Commit from the right level. Added debug services as a separate section.`
`20:52.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`sylvanaar: ping`
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`20:52.57`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster pong`
`20:53.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`you still using an eventid type thing in prat?`
`20:53.25`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster yes`
`20:53.37`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster for now until i can think of something better`
`20:53.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`i discovered something that could make it not needed`
`20:54.02`	`sylvanaar`	`whats that`
`20:54.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`seems to be a little something added as part of the antispam stuff`
`20:54.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL`
`20:54.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`notice the last arg`
`20:55.02`	`copystring`	`Adirelle: LibDataBroker_AttributeChanged_icon has to be LibDataBroker_AttributeChanged__icon :)`
`20:55.11`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster heres my implementation http://ace.pastey.net/93533`
`20:55.29`	`sylvanaar`	`oh nice`
`20:55.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`youd have to combine it with the sender though afaik`
`20:55.48`	`Adirelle`	`copystring: huh`
`20:55.54`	`Pneumatus`	`locks with nether protection tanking Capernian fails so hard :<`
`20:56.01`	`Adirelle`	`clears his glasses`
`20:56.53`	`Aii`	`Adirelle: two _'s instead of 1`
`20:56.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`sylvanaar: not sure if the counter is per event or not but from what ive heard it seems to be per sender, but since you only care about one at a time in prat all you really need to do is store the two values when they change`
`20:57.06`	`Aii`	`Pneumatus: lol`
`20:57.13`	`Aii`	`"oh god it procced click it off fast"`
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`20:57.40`	`Pneumatus`	`"oops, too late, 1 shotted by her in melee"`
`20:57.41`	`Aii`	`have them make a macro for /cancelaura Nether Protection :P and spam that`
`20:58.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`have them get FreeMe`
`20:58.06`	`kadrahil`	`well`
`20:58.14`	`kadrahil`	`at least your lock tank didn't have nether protection during illidan`
`20:58.22`	`kadrahil`	`and kept wiping the raid until we figured it out a week later`
`20:58.36`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster yeah, only I need that id per event - i wish bliz would just make a counter and increment it for each event globally`
`20:58.46`	`kadrahil`	`and then downed him 2 attempts after that`
`20:59.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`sylvanaar: you only care about chat events so this should be a fine solution`
`20:59.25`	`Aii`	`what does netherprot do on illidan? (never really looked too much into the detail for the fight, since we're not into BT yet...)`
`20:59.42`	`jaxdahl2`	`it makes you immune to shadow`
`20:59.49`	`jaxdahl2`	`so illidan casts his shadow nuke on someone else`
`21:00.02`	`jaxdahl2`	`which is.. bad`
`21:00.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`Arrowmaster: although i dont know if it shows up for any of the chat events that arent triggered from somebody sending a message`
`21:00.10`	`Aii`	`oh, more lock tanking then?`
`21:00.19`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster oh, it seems to be on the other events as well, at least it says its on whisper`
`21:00.28`	`jaxdahl2`	`yea, a lock should not have nether protection if they plan on tanking illidan`
`21:00.40`	`Aii`	`well, come wotlk that wont be an issue at least`
`21:00.48`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster wait thats the line id`
`21:00.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`sylvanaar: yeah its on all the chat events where a player sends a message`
`21:01.08`	`sylvanaar`	`its for spam reporting`
`21:01.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`21:01.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`any nether protection removal method... _does not work_`
`21:02.20`	`Pneumatus`	`quoting dis`
`21:02.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`trust me, I've tried`
`21:02.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`both macro and using an addon`
`21:03.16`	`Aii`	`yeah, there's a certain lagtime between each "decide what to do" tick`
`21:03.28`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster yeah, it'd be handy, but prat processes non-player text too, i like the solution you suggested earlier, the one that I implemented`
`21:04.06`	`kadrahil`	`jaxdahl2, yeah when that happened he'd nuke an entire group at once`
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`21:04.24`	`kadrahil`	`jaxdahl2, that went on for at least a week or two before we realized it (`
`21:04.28`	`kadrahil`	`:(`
`21:04.50`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r80200 10Barrel/Core.lua:`
`21:04.50`	`CIA-45`	`Barrel:`
`21:04.50`	`CIA-45`	`- there are two "_" in LibDataBroker_AttributeChanged__icon.`
`21:05.41`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster heres a good example http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_AFK`
`21:07.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`sylvanaar: btw you do know that the globals this event and arg# dont exist in WotLK right?`
`21:07.30`	`Lyn_`	`does there exist a way to mirror a texture? doesnt find a way on wowwiki or so :x`
`21:07.36`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster yep, but this stuff is running on live, which doesnt have those yet`
`21:07.43`	`ccKep`	`QQ @ bartender4 not working in beta :(`
`21:07.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`ccKep: it works fine`
`21:08.00`	`ccKep`	`just checked out the wotlk branch`
`21:08.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`sylvanaar: ok just noticed some in your WotLK branch`
`21:08.04`	`ccKep`	`error with button prototype`
`21:08.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`ccKep: check it out WITH externals`
`21:08.37`	`kadrahil`	`QQ for not having a beta key`
`21:08.41`	`kadrahil`	`://`
`21:08.42`	`kadrahil`	`-/`
`21:08.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`holy ui scaling breakage b atman`
`21:08.54`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster yeah, the wotlk branch is incomplete - just to get it working. in some cases i just did this = self, arg1....arg12 = ...`
`21:09.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`most those changes should work on live too`
`21:10.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`main thing I noticed in BT4 was that it didn't have sticky frames`
`21:10.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`actually since you arent defining your script handlers in xml, they all will work on live too`
`21:10.47`	`Neo\|Home`	`and that, due to wow most likely, the bars move around every tuime I relog and/or reload the UI`
`21:10.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`which made it amazingly annoying to use`
`21:11.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`but even if you were i think live works the same way as beta now with the locals it uses in them`
`21:11.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`I use the other action bar now which works. possess bar in plain blizz is just weird`
`21:11.42`	`sylvanaar`	`Arrowmaster i guess i'll have to look, i dont use many script handlers anyways`
`21:12.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically I get the possess bar as my main bar but the key bindings are Ctrl-1 etc which makes me leave it immediately when I press 1 instead`
`21:12.24`	`Neo\|Home`	`is that a bug maybe?`
`21:13.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`possess bar worked fine for me on beta`
`21:13.45`	`sylvanaar`	`onevent isnt even on wowwiki`
`21:13.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`atleast i think i remember using it after i installed bt4`
`21:14.03`	`JerleMinara`	`so`
`21:14.13`	`cladhaire`	`sylvanaar: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnEvent`
`21:14.28`	`JerleMinara`	`you folks think the murloc mount'll will be sellable for a profit? :P`
`21:14.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`cladhaire: you need to make http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts just give a nice listing of all the script handlers`
`21:15.04`	`cladhaire`	`yes i do`
`21:15.11`	`cladhaire`	`its on the list of things to do`
`21:15.20`	`cladhaire`	`I got behind with the hosting issue =(`
`21:15.55`	`sylvanaar`	`thanks, that was helpful`
`21:16.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm`
`21:16.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`ulic: ping`
`21:17.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`do you have all those widgets pages linked together in the Script Handlers part? like have a central location to change to update them all?`
`21:17.36`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r80201 10Prat/services/events.lua:`
`21:17.36`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`21:17.36`	`CIA-45`	`Use correct script handler for OnEvent(self, event, ...)`
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`21:27.06`	`sb`	`mh`
`21:27.18`	`sb`	`i'm on character selection screen but enter world doesnt do anything? :p`
`21:27.35`	`sb`	`oh it does, that "selected" sound - but nothing else ;) and i can still select other chars`
`21:27.41`	`Ellipsis`	`click harder`
`21:27.45`	`sb`	`k`
`21:27.55`	`sb`	`doesnt work :(`
`21:28.08`	`Ellipsis`	`well I tried`
`21:28.39`	`Ellipsis`	`ahaha`
`21:29.09`	`[Endeavour]`	`hm, is that correct english? "Ideals are lighthouses, not harbors." it's a german metaphor/proverb which i really like.`
`21:29.10`	`sb`	`try harder :/`
`21:29.42`	`sb`	`sounds like "das leben ist kein ponyhof" [Endeavour] :/`
`21:29.56`	`[Endeavour]`	`no, that's not the meaning`
`21:30.01`	`sb`	`i know :p`
`21:30.12`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`sb: FtH\|Daemona: patch coming? :o -> doubt that`
`21:30.52`	`sb`	`well servside hotfix - why not ;)`
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`21:31.39`	`nevcairiel`	`some blue post said the restart was "only part of the effort to fix the issues"`
`21:31.41`	`nevcairiel`	`so i dunno`
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`21:32.26`	`nevcairiel`	`i could login without waiting 10 minutes, though`
`21:32.31`	`Ellipsis`	`so while logging into beta I got the loading screen tip which says "Tip: if you are stuck on a quest, the quest log can usually tell you what to do next"`
`21:32.36`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r80202 10Prat/ (7 files in 4 dirs):`
`21:32.36`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`21:32.36`	`CIA-45`	`Use correct script handlers in other places`
`21:32.41`	`Ellipsis`	`I think moar people need to read those tips.`
`21:32.47`	`sb`	`and the fix is like "no DK login allowed anymore"? :P`
`21:33.00`	`Globalduck1313`	`heya everyone.....was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction..I have an idea i want to try for a prat module`
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`21:33.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Ellipsis: i had the same thought when i read that`
`21:33.21`	`nevcairiel`	`i should really leave /1 again`
`21:33.24`	`sylvanaar`	`Globalduck1313 whats that`
`21:33.51`	`Globalduck1313`	`the idea is a chat window expand button similar to what trinity chat has....`
`21:34.03`	`Ellipsis`	`so, um, minichat?`
`21:34.06`	`sylvanaar`	`minichat`
`21:34.10`	`sylvanaar`	`^^`
`21:34.50`	`Globalduck1313`	`hmmm have to check it out.....trinity adds a button to the frame so u can expand the default window is that what minichat does?`
`21:35.10`	`sylvanaar`	`yes`
`21:35.16`	`Globalduck1313`	`kk thanx as always`
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`21:51.08`	`Archarodim`	`Does someone know where to download the UI extractor (the InterfaceAddonKit) for WotLK?`
`21:51.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`~framexml`
`21:51.40`	`purl`	`Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/`
`21:51.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`if the link on that page doesnt give a 404`
`21:51.58`	`Archarodim`	`thanks`
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`21:56.54`	`[Endeavour]`	`where can i get the wotlk beta client?`
`21:57.03`	`Aii`	`over there -->`
`21:57.10`	`[Endeavour]`	`:P`
`21:57.27`	`Aii`	`beta.worldofwarcraft.com ?`
`21:57.46`	`[Endeavour]`	`d'oh... thanks :)`
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`22:08.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`what's the easiest way to hide the blizz castbar?`
`22:08.51`	`Gary13579`	`http://odiness.dreamhosters.com/wotlk/WotLK-Beta-3.0.1-enUS-downloader.exe`
`22:08.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, ag_uf doesn't do that and quartz ist borked! halp :(`
`22:08.55`	`Gary13579`	`if you don't have an account`
`22:09.45`	`Gary13579`	`I think there's an interface option`
`22:09.52`	`Gary13579`	`quartz should work in beta`
`22:10.05`	`Gary13579`	`the ace2 non beta branch worked fine for me`
`22:10.09`	`Aii`	`quartz worked fine for me`
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`22:11.38`	`Stanzilla`	`Gnarfoz: Dominos_Cast :P`
`22:12.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`Stanzilla: bt4`
`22:12.09`	`Stanzilla`	`:(`
`22:12.25`	`Stanzilla`	`maybe it works standalone?`
`22:12.30`	`Tinyboom`	`gmail be borked :p`
`22:12.56`	`Tinyboom`	`~lart google`
`22:12.56`	`purl`	`accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets google feel it`
`22:17.24`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r80203 10/branches/Yatba/ (. oo/): Yatba: bar OO handling`
`22:17.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:17.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:17.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`so finally a use for firestone and spellstones`
`22:17.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`specifically removes the need for oils..`
`22:17.58`	`selckin`	`all your wands are belong to mages`
`22:17.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow`
`22:18.03`	`selckin`	`:(`
`22:18.07`	`Neo\|Home`	`althoguh I dunno if I'd compare 49% spell crit vs 60 sopell haste`
`22:18.16`	`Neo\|Home`	`selckin: it's... not an item you equip. it's an item enchant`
`22:18.20`	`Neo\|Home`	`so we'll still want wands`
`22:18.29`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar 073.0 * r80204 10Prat/ (frames/pratcc.xml modules/CopyChat.lua):`
`22:18.29`	`CIA-45`	`Prat 3.0 (Dev):`
`22:18.29`	`CIA-45`	`Reduce the number of closures created by the copy buttons. Anchor the copy`
`22:18.29`	`CIA-45`	`text frames scroll area to the top of the ok button so they dont overlap`
`22:18.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`~fail adirelle`
`22:18.54`	`purl`	`adirelle: FAIL!`
`22:19.01`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle 07oo * r80205 10Yatba/Yatba/ (. Yatba.lua): Yatba: reworking internals with OO and event-driven programming.`
`22:19.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`Neo\|Home: they probably give 1% to DD and 1% to DoT different values`
`22:19.11`	`Adirelle`	`?`
`22:19.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`Neo\|Home: and thats why the ratings are different`
`22:19.40`	`Neo\|Home`	`that is probably true`
`22:19.55`	`Neo\|Home`	`1% DD is better (ALL destro lock dmg) vs dots which at most tend to be around 40-60% of the damage`
`22:20.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`als the ppl that gain more from dot damage, gain less from haste`
`22:20.19`	`Adirelle`	`Gnarfoz: could you elaborate please ?`
`22:20.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah =(`
`22:20.27`	`Neo\|Home`	`question is if 1% DD + 49 haste is worth more or elss than 60 haste for a firelock`
`22:20.37`	`Neo\|Home`	`s/49 haste/49 crit/`
`22:20.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adirelle: oh, you didn't fuck up the path. looked like it in the first commit.`
`22:21.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`I'll be curious to see how the new wizard oils compare`
`22:21.27`	`Neo\|Home`	`but even if they are better, at least we'll save time and money on farm content and gain benefit while soloing`
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`22:21.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`i saw a funny post on the wotlk warlock forums, some warlock asking for crit and haste to benifit affliction more (which i agree with) but saying that haste is less benifical once the GCD is reduced from 1.5 to 1.0 which will happen in WotLK from all the new items`
`22:22.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`i laughed because he both didnt know a thing about ratings scaling`
`22:22.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`or the amount of haste rating actually required`
`22:23.00`	`Adirelle`	`Gnarfoz: I'm a bit lazy to type the entire svn copy command, so I created the path first with SVN and then I branched with TortoiseSVN`
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`22:23.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`somehow i doubt that even with all the best WotLK gear trying to stack as much haste as possible would it even be able to reach the amount of rating that would get 1.5 GCD to 1.0 at 70`
`22:23.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`yet alone 80`
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`22:24.19`	`Neo\|Home`	`at level 70 my GCD is 1.26s`
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`22:24.44`	`Neo\|Home`	`it will kind of suck to become worse when you level though`
`22:24.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`how much haste do you have?`
`22:25.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`with that gear set (I got the haste trinket from wotlk) just below 300 I believe`
`22:25.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok yeah that matches up with my math almost exactly`
`22:25.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`is that passive?`
`22:25.51`	`Neo\|Home`	`passive? like passive level of haste? yes`
`22:25.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow`
`22:26.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`i honestly didnt think you could even get that high with tbc gear`
`22:26.23`	`Adirelle`	`btw, TortoiseSVN lacks an equivalent to svn xxx --parents`
`22:26.35`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's with <202 spell hit`
`22:26.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`but I don't need 202 spell hit so that's ok`
`22:27.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`Adirelle: is --parents from 1.5?`
`22:27.24`	`Neo\|Home`	`I might regem heavily for haste come WotLK`
`22:27.30`	`Adirelle`	`Arrowmaster: yes`
`22:27.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`I am mostly haste today but got some spell hit in there too`
`22:28.04`	`Ellipsis`	`does not want to regear and regem for leveling :<`
`22:28.10`	`Ellipsis`	`stupid warlock hit cap`
`22:28.28`	`Neo\|Home`	`Ellipsis: well the flipside is all the epic gems will become useless`
`22:28.30`	`Neo\|Home`	`so why not?`
`22:28.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`I mean the wotlk green gems you get at level 70 are better`
`22:28.57`	`Ellipsis`	`my QQs are so loud you can't even hear them`
`22:29.00`	`Neo\|Home`	`making the epic gems more like the BC vendor bought gems`
`22:29.24`	`Ellipsis`	`the worst part is I never got to raid with the pve gear that took me so much time/effort to get`
`22:29.25`	`Ellipsis`	`sighs`
`22:29.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`main warlock hitcap QQ is still that soul shatter isn't affected by either/both of the spell hit talents`
`22:29.53`	`AckisWork`	`~seen nymbia`
`22:29.58`	`purl`	`nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 17h 56m 4s ago, saying: 'be a little OP if it stacked O.o'.`
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`22:51.34`	`Pneumatus`	`has anyone seen a post anywhere indicating what you might actually have to do to gain/lose resources in wintergrasp?`
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`22:53.58`	`Aii`	`Neo\|Home: imo FD/invis/vanish/sshatter just shouldn't be resistable by bosses`
`22:54.12`	`Aii`	`rng is fail`
`22:54.39`	`Aii`	`FD maybe, only because it's on a 30sec cd`
`22:54.56`	`Aii`	`but anything on a CD longer than a minute shouldn't have a rng "oh hai, i didnt work, welcome to hell"`
`22:55.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`I agree`
`22:56.04`	`Neo\|Home`	`last post, by me http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765636915&sid=2000&pageNo=2`
`22:56.08`	`Zyndrome`	`but you get used to it if you have Engineering`
`22:56.20`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r80206 10BigWigs/ (18 files in 5 dirs): BigWigs: update ruRU (message/desc),added Reaver trigger`
`23:00.03`	`Aii`	`engineering is not core abilities, Zyndrome`
`23:00.19`	`Zyndrome`	`still :p`
`23:00.35`	`Aii`	`if there were an engineering item that every dps was required to use in a raid setting to not wipe the raid, id damn well want it to not backfire RNG either :P`
`23:00.35`	`Neo\|Home`	`also made another post where, among other things, suggest that soul fire is changed so it becomes a spell we'd actually want to use`
`23:00.44`	`Aii`	`heh`
`23:00.56`	`Neo\|Home`	`I remember clearly last time I used soul fire and went "wow"`
`23:00.59`	`Aii`	`you mean instead of taking 2-3x as long to cast, and doing 2/3 of the damage, of shadowbolt?`
`23:01.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`didn't use it often but I did use it once and it was fine`
`23:01.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`specifically it was in Tanaris, on an ogre there`
`23:01.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`Aii: right`
`23:01.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`I used it once on Maulgar, as an initial "big hit" on a pull (tanking shaman)`
`23:01.52`	`Neo\|Home`	`the "big hit" was smaller than shadow bolts even at that stage so I was a bit disappointed`
`23:02.09`	`Aii`	`yeah, it's pretty pathetic`
`23:02.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`it scales worse than it should right? rather it scales like a 3.5s cast spell?`
`23:02.44`	`Neo\|Home`	`plus of course no Shadow and Flame benefit`
`23:03.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`1x soul shard + 1 minute cooldown => utterly pathetic for such a bad spell :P`
`23:03.15`	`Neo\|Home`	`I'd love a spell I would use in my rotation`
`23:03.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`like.... immo/incin x N/conflag/soul fire/immo[...`
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`23:03.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically a spell to take full benefit of the conflag haste`
`23:04.01`	`Aii`	`they just need to make it like pyroblast or something`
`23:04.44`	`Aii`	`pref. remove the shard requirement`
`23:05.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`my post was primarily about shards`
`23:05.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically I feel any in combat abilities need the shard requirement removed`
`23:05.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`and that shadowburn should be a more "destruction-like" way to collect shards than drain soul`
`23:06.16`	`Neo\|Home`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765632970&sid=2000`
`23:06.28`	`Aii`	`yeah, make shadowburn grant a soulshard but not require one`
`23:06.40`	`Aii`	`not like that's going to make it OP`
`23:07.01`	`Aii`	`we still already spam it on cooldown in arenas, we just spend more time farming shards outside of arenas to be able to do that`
`23:07.14`	`Aii`	`(well, maybe not necessarily on cooldown, but whenever we want)`
`23:07.19`	`Neo\|Home`	`yeah`
`23:07.38`	`Neo\|Home`	`any "in combat" limitations should be done by changing mana cost, cooldown or damage`
`23:07.43`	`Aii`	`same reason they changed blind to not have a reagent requirement`
`23:07.49`	`Aii`	`should apply to shadowburn's shard requirement`
`23:07.50`	`Neo\|Home`	`not by a shard requirement`
`23:08.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`no one avoids using shadow burn in PvP due to the shard requirement`
`23:08.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`I wonder how the DPS of shadow burn compares to Shadow Bolt`
`23:08.50`	`Neo\|Home`	`I can't imagine it's worth it in a rotation`
`23:09.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`and even if it was worth using, at least when moving, how's that bad?`
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`23:36.58`	`Saroz`	`lua> x = y`
`23:36.58`	`lua_bot`	`Saroz: No output`
`23:37.00`	`Saroz`	`lua> x = 2`
`23:37.01`	`lua_bot`	`Saroz: No output`
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`23:39.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sobs`
`23:39.22`	`Saroz`	`ups`
`23:39.24`	`Saroz`	`endless whisper loot`
`23:39.26`	`Saroz`	`thats not good`
`23:39.26`	`Aiiane`	`comforts Pkekyo\|`
`23:39.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`six hours of constant e-drama just ended.... :(`
`23:39.39`	`Saroz`	`got kicked from server :(`
`23:39.40`	`Aiiane`	`well... at least it ended`
`23:39.51`	`Aiiane`	`e-drama over what?`
`23:39.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I was relying on it for entertainment`
`23:40.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`some tosser that's not willing to accept that rules and regulatiosn are there for a reason`
`23:40.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`he's unable to realize he's said/done anything wrong, so the discussions get kinda heated :p`
`23:41.01`	`DARKGuy`	`and the argument was about... ?`
`23:41.26`	`Neo\|Home`	`indeed. what did he do/say wrong? :P`
`23:42.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, he just kept arguing the "point" that "NOES TEH RULES R LEIK LAEM!!!!!111"`
`23:42.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`...thought his argument would carry heavier weight if he bragged about driving fast on the freeway... (and by doing so he was witnessed putting alot of others' lives in danger)`
`23:42.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`he's just an outright cockstain`
`23:43.07`	`DARKGuy`	`rules are made to be broken! :D`
`23:43.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`DARKGuy: some (and very much so these) are there for a reason`
`23:43.34`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, yeah :P`
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`23:44.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`his main argument was always "but...in the uk..blablabedibla blabedibluublablaaa"`
`23:44.38`	`DARKGuy`	`haha`
`23:44.52`	`DARKGuy`	`I love when game-related rule discussions are compared to real-life rule discussions`
`23:44.55`	`DARKGuy`	`it just ain't the same thing.`
`23:45.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wasn't wow-related, if you got that idea`
`23:45.27`	`DARKGuy`	`Oh, I thought it was :P`
`23:45.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it isn't...real life situations with real life people :p`
`23:45.59`	`DARKGuy`	`yay :D`
`23:46.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`not so much`
`23:46.19`	`DARKGuy`	`... then I insist, but instead, comparing a country's rules against another country's rules is pointless :P`
`23:46.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"The reasons are there to keep people safe, and are the result of research done into the subject"`
`23:46.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"...but...in the UK they..."`
`23:46.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"...and you're not supposed to throw it in their face!1!!!"`
`23:47.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`FtH\|Daemona: sag ihm, dass ich da sicher nicht in meinen tod laufe :p`
`23:47.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`FtH\|Daemona: oh duh, he's alliance. :P`
`23:47.36`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`..`
`23:47.46`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, lol :/. Crazy guy`
`23:47.47`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`weichei`
`23:47.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:47.59`	`DARKGuy`	`que hablan o.o...`
`23:48.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`Sluta prata tyska! Här är det engelska som gäller ju.`
`23:48.21`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, :/ then let him be, I usually drop the argument when the person can't realize that what its doing is wrong :P`
`23:48.31`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`i could sit there the whole night Gnarfoz :)`
`23:48.33`	`DARKGuy`	`there's absolutely no way to make them understand :(`
`23:48.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`åk åt helvette med er alla bögiga fittjävlar :D`
`23:48.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`tack för den du`
`23:48.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`FtH\|Daemona: I think I could, too xD`
`23:48.48`	`DARKGuy`	`a bue, no me hagan hablar en español que no van a entender nada >_>;`
`23:48.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Neo\|Home: how's my swedish? :p`
`23:49.01`	`Neo\|Home`	`Eloquent`
`23:49.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~dict eloquent`
`23:49.13`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's "helvete" though`
`23:49.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`DARKGuy: we tried...even gave him a means to find out wether or not he's right, but he pussied out`
`23:49.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`oh, cheers`
`23:50.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`so translating thopse two words to English would create a rather unique swear word combo`
`23:50.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I know :D`
`23:50.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`not sure I want to :P`
`23:50.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`eh... faggotypussydevils? :P`
`23:50.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically`
`23:50.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow guess im not going to see much of sunwell now, just like naxx before the last expansion............`
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`23:51.03`	`Neo\|Home`	`I was thinking more "cunt" than "pussy" though, seeing as the latter is "nicer"`
`23:51.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fair enough`
`23:51.09`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, then that's good, it'll make him think :3`
`23:51.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`faggotcuntdevil`
`23:51.22`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: we're feeling the strain`
`23:51.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`need something better than devil`
`23:51.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: but we still got M'uru to 2nd phase`
`23:51.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`hmm`
`23:51.41`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`oh wow`
`23:51.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`DARKGuy: nah, he just goes ranting about ''it's not it's intended use''`
`23:51.49`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`a new rock Gnarfoz ... i didnt expect that one`
`23:51.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`Neo\|Home: you havent recently lost your 2 main tanks though`
`23:51.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh wait make that 4`
`23:52.02`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`damn, i even equipped the slow fall cloak :(`
`23:52.06`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`what a shame`
`23:52.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`FtH\|Daemona: ;D`
`23:52.15`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: we lost our MT warrior, our main OT warrior, and a feral druid in about 2 weeks time`
`23:52.26`	`Neo\|Home`	`we just lost BOTH our OT/DPS warriors in the last week`
`23:52.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`and our new MT warrior came to us with 5/9 BT experience / gear`
`23:52.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`and still use the shield of Gruul`
`23:52.50`	`Neo\|Home`	`so.. yeah, we did`
`23:52.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`just lost our MT and DPS warriors`
`23:53.06`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, that happens - but once the argument is over, wait a few days and it'll pick its curiousity. The time spent in the argument and the brainwork finding an argument against the point he tries/tried to defend will increase as soon as it's over. He'll think a lot about it, get angry, and he'll realize something about it afterwards :D`
`23:53.22`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically we have two tanks that are the same as when we started raiding in 25-mans`
`23:53.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`DARKGuy: the argument started in reality before the weekend :p`
`23:53.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`the prot pally (who we got mid-SSC) and our main feral druid`
`23:53.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah seems like your in the same possition but since youve actually gotten to muru people arent about to all jump ship with them too`
`23:53.50`	`Neo\|Home`	`just when SWP came out we lost 1/2 of our healers in a matter of 1-3 weeks`
`23:53.56`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, Oh, tough guy then X_x`
`23:53.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow`
`23:54.00`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically had 4-5 consistent healers`
`23:54.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`he's amazignly retarded, aye :p`
`23:54.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`and had to gear up ppl with kara / new level 70 gear to fill the spots`
`23:54.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`Neo\|Home: wtf its like were in the same guild..... except you guys are on muru`
`23:54.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`the worst part is that 2-3 of the healers that left were our very top healers`
`23:54.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`we've had a lot of losses`
`23:55.01`	`Neo\|Home`	`the recent dps warrior left w/o a word after abotu 2 months with us and quite a few gear upgrades`
`23:55.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`you horde or alliance?`
`23:55.19`	`Neo\|Home`	`he went back to his old guild... almost feels like he came to us to learn strats, learned enough and went back`
`23:55.22`	`Neo\|Home`	`alliance`
`23:55.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`bah`
`23:55.41`	`DARKGuy`	`Pkekyo\|, think about it, you ain't :D`
`23:55.42`	`DARKGuy`	`be glad ^^`
`23:56.07`	`Neo\|Home`	`we've gone from "wow, 35 ppl at raid start" to "ok, if we get 25 ppl we can kill archimonde while we wait for af ew more dpsers for M'uru"`
`23:56.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I honestly haven't laughed as much as tonight for ages`
`23:56.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`looking for us horde raiding guild, 1 warlock and 1 glaiveset rogue`
`23:56.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`e-drama is awesome<3`
`23:56.53`	`DARKGuy`	`it is <3`
`23:57.00`	`Neo\|Home`	`traditionally our strongest class has been warlocks`
`23:57.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`mainly because two of the best players (me and the warlock CL) are locks.`
`23:57.30`	`Neo\|Home`	`we lost two locks not too long ago, got one new lock (run with 4 now)`
`23:57.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`all solid`
`23:57.53`	`Neo\|Home`	`it's nice not having to bring 4-5 locks to the raid to get the DPS done anyore though`
`23:57.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`we lost 3 warlocks recently and gained 1`
`23:58.08`	`Ellipsis`	`frowns`
`23:58.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`1 quit, and 2 have gone to other guilds`
`23:58.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hands out severe plonking in Ellipsis' general direction`
`23:59.19`	`*** join/#wowace Aerr (n=chatzill@c-69-249-33-66.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`23:59.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`FtH\|Daemona: do dalaran mailboxes not work yet?`
`23:59.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`wotlk will be inter4estin`
`23:59.42`	`Neo\|Home`	`seems half the guild wants to go DK, most healers wants to go DPS and yeah`
`23:59.51`	`Neo\|Home`	`I think - there's always 10-mans`

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