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00:00.53HjalteI was able to do what I wanted done in my question above with http://ace.pastey.net/93923 :)
00:01.44XuerianHjalte: iWin button?
00:01.52XuerianHonestly, where's that fun
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00:03.55HjalteXuerian: More like a broken iWin button at the moment. It's easier for me to spam 1 button while leveling up, than having to mash 4-5 different.
00:04.28XuerianEasier wasn't the question, really >.>
00:04.57Megalonleveling a feral druid?
00:05.03HjalteI don't think trying to break my fingers from all the button-pressing is fun, that's what I was trying to say :)
00:05.04Megalonwell, you only mash mangle
00:05.07Megalon:S
00:05.14HjalteMegalon: Yep.
00:05.25Megalonwell, at level 50+ you do
00:05.26Megalon;D
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00:09.54XuerianWhen you're below it, you only mash claw
00:10.01Xuerianname is all that's different, really
00:10.18XuerianIn theory it's simpler BEFORE you get mangle, since rip and rake aren't as effective without it
00:10.29HjalteMegalon: I'm level 40 :)
00:10.33Dashkalrake? what? that power still exists? :p
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00:20.26Industrialwee http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10390-idWarlockDeleteShards.html
00:21.06Industrialdamn right 4 functions >:P
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00:26.15AeyanThe pic is cooler than the addon
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00:34.53KriLL3anyone got a good page/image of all flightpaths in northrend?
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00:42.35CIA-4503Copystring * r80513 10YurrCombatLog/ (Config.lua Locale-enUS.lua):
00:42.35CIA-45YurrCombatLog:
00:42.35CIA-45- fix old Chatframe not clearing when changing outputFrame
00:42.35CIA-45- removed old entry of enUS locale
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01:51.32NivFreakdamn beta server
01:51.41NivFreakcrashing, it's like it's not done yet!
01:52.57Zyndromeoh snap!
01:54.07Zyndromeawful lot of people wanna go Ramparts :P
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02:20.20hypetechI just leveled leatherworking, and I see there are a few drum mods in the repo, any favorites?
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02:25.35Hjaltehypetech: simpledrumannounce was alright
02:28.01hypetechty
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02:50.29fewynselckin: if you want another log for whatever you want i have another bloody fresh one coming up in about an hour or so
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03:13.47NivFreakmore crashing
03:13.48NivFreakweee
03:13.53Ellipsis^
03:14.52NivFreakit keeps randomly losing my ui scale settings
03:14.53NivFreakhaah
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03:15.20Ellipsisyeah, known issue with the way it does the server side cvars
03:16.14NivFreaka bit obnoxious
03:16.26EllipsisI just gave up on it
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03:25.01PProvostDoes anyone know an easy way to tell if the player is currently in a battleground (other than checking the zone name)?
03:25.54AznamirIs there ace3 version of RosterLib that support acetimer-3.0 and acebucket-3.0 ?
03:28.05NargiddleyPProvost, 2nd return of IsInInstance() i believe
03:28.31PProvostPerfect! Thanks Nargiddley
03:28.44PProvostI kept looking for a Battlefield function... DOH
03:48.06steevanyone know of any videos of divine storm where the player isn't zoomed out to the max, so you can actually *see* the animation ?
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03:59.48JerleMinaraanyone familiar with ag_uf.. any idea why i might be getting a green or orange bar underneath my target frame?
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04:11.20NivFreakckknight: are you going to fix pitbull_aura in wrath? ;)
04:11.38ckknighteventually
04:11.50NivFreaksomeone posted a 2 line fix, but I don't see how it would work :)
04:12.05NivFreakBloodsurge is sort of hard to track
04:12.06NivFreakhehe
04:16.54Aznamiri fixed it on beta
04:17.13Aznamirwanted to see proper expiration timers :)
04:18.04fewynsigh
04:18.06fewyni hate java
04:19.19fewynespecially when i want to open WWS parser while still ingame
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04:21.46piotrbis there a way to make jwow or something use wotlk branches?
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04:23.19NivFreakAznamir: where?
04:24.31NivFreakBLoodsurge is nuts...
04:24.36NivFreakHUGE burst dmg
04:25.39Aznamirin function getPlayerAuraDuration    before 'if not name then'  add   if time then time=time-GetTime() end
04:26.06Aznamirand similar thing in few other places
04:27.34ckknightAznamir: wanna make a patch for me?
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04:28.20AznamirHow?
04:28.55NivFreakor just send me the lua :)
04:29.11Aznamiranyway, in 3 places where you see 'if not name then', break, end   add what  i said
04:29.28AznamirUpdate.lua file
04:32.42Aznamirfound them?
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04:39.08ckknightAznamir: put it up on pastey.net
04:39.19Aznamirthe whole file?
04:40.08Aznamirhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/93929
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04:56.42ckknightAznamir: indentation's all messed up
04:56.44ckknighthow'd you manage that?
04:59.58Aznamircopy-pasted from LuaEdit
05:00.46Aznamirok, this looks better: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93930
05:09.07HjalteIf I have a .php file on my website, anyone can download it and see its contents, can't they?
05:09.52steevnot if php is setup correctly
05:09.57steevwhich it should be
05:10.59Hjaltesteev: What's the difference between someone downloading an mp3 file and a php file?
05:11.36HjalteI should get one of those download-whatever-you-want programs and try it out.
05:11.44liquidzoomost web browsers will parse a php file and render the code.
05:11.55Ellipsisweb *servers* parse php and execute the code
05:12.10HjalteYeah, but say i'm not using my browser to download.
05:12.20Ellipsis...see above
05:12.31Zyndromethe _server_ doesn't give a shit
05:12.35liquidzooyou're right, Ellipsis
05:13.00HjalteI know the code is hidden when interpret by the server, but if they download the entire file, they get it all, don't they?
05:13.06steevno
05:13.07liquidzooThe server has to have php configured in order to show the file, otherwise it won't display.
05:13.26steevthe web server still processes the file, if they used something like wget, they would get the output of the file
05:13.44theoddone33hm I didn't know there was a 10 stam to chest enchant
05:14.42Ellipsisthere's 100hp
05:15.00Ellipsisnot quite the same thing
05:16.51Zyndromeas 100hp doesn't scale with buffs :P
05:18.53Hjaltesteev: You're right. I downloaded a file and it was empty. I figured that was how it had to work, with storing sql connection information etc.
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05:23.11CIA-4503ckknight * r80515 10PitBull/Aura/Update.lua: PitBull - Fix Aura handling for WotLK. Still works with live
05:30.39EllipsisHjalte: here's what happened, you requested the file from teh webserver, the webserver saw that it was a .php file and handed it over to the php interpreter, the php interpreter executed the code and only gave you the output of the script (in this case, nothing)
05:31.11Ellipsisyour choice of HTTP client doesn't matter, you won't be able to download the source of the php script unless the webserver is misconfigured
05:31.19HjalteEllipsis: Yes, which is good. I just wasn't aware that it was also handed to the interpreter when being downloaded etc :)
05:31.40EllipsisI hope you realize there's no difference between "viewing" and "downloading"
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05:33.51HjalteEllipsis: Ssssshh. We don't want the others to know that I'm a noob in certain areas.
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05:37.19Zyndromehttp://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3D34MtQz_80
05:41.47CIA-4503ckknight * r80518 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/ (Categories/Power.lua Localization/enUS.lua): LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - add runic power capability.
05:41.47CIA-4503ckknight * r80516 10PitBull/ (PitBull.lua PowerBar/PowerBar.lua): PitBull - Add runic power to PowerBar module
05:41.49CIA-4503ckknight * r80517 10LibDogTag-3.0/LibDogTag-3.0.lua: LibDogTag-3.0 - add runicPower color
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05:43.47Ellipsis\o/ ckknight
05:44.00ckknightall that's really left is a runic display
05:44.08Ellipsisis anyone writing a module for that?
05:44.12ckknightI think I'll copy the shaman's
05:44.15ckknightI don't know
05:44.18ckknightmaybe
05:44.21ckknightI've been out of the loop
05:44.37Ellipsisyou should check jira and see if someone's already written one for you :P
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05:57.33CIA-4503ckknight * r80519 10PitBull/PitBull.lua:
05:57.33CIA-45PitBull - Remove some copypasta.
05:57.33CIA-45Make it so you can set DK color and global runic power color.
06:00.06ckknightEllipsis: doesn't look like it
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06:07.14CIA-4503ckknight * r80520 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: PitBull - Add a temporary hack that puts Blizzard's RuneFrame on top of the player frame. This is only until a proper rune display plugin can be made.
06:07.30CIA-45037destiny * r80521 10BigWigs/TheEye/Kaelthas.lua:
06:07.30CIA-45BigWigs: TheEye/Kaelthas:
06:07.30CIA-45- add Toy removal
06:07.30CIA-45- fix Pyro stopbar when phase5
06:07.30CIA-45- koKR Update for pyro trigger
06:08.00ckknightwell, PitBull works now
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06:10.54ckknightis wowwiki fucked for Opera now?
06:11.21ckknightI can't edit a page
06:11.28ckknightit turns everything blank for some reason
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06:19.56CIA-45037destiny * r80522 10GridStatusRaidDebuff/GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua:
06:19.56CIA-45GridStatusRaidDebuff:
06:19.56CIA-45- removed "Saw Blade" duration
06:20.07CIA-45037destiny * r80523 10GridStatusRaidDebuff/GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua:
06:20.07CIA-45GridStatusRaidDebuff:
06:20.07CIA-45- removed "Saw Blade" duration
06:21.33ZhinjioGood evening, worthies.
06:22.49Ellipsislicks Zhinjio
06:26.37Zhinjiohugs Ellipsis
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06:30.15abugis there a way to use spell ids in place of spell names in secure action buttons?
06:31.23Ellipsiser, what for?
06:33.35abugso I don't have to localize
06:34.12Ellipsislocal spellname = GetSpellInfo(spellid)
06:34.18Ellipsisvoila, localized for you
06:34.24abugwin!
06:34.27abugthank you
06:34.31Ellipsisanytime
06:36.49Fisker-Previously on #wowace:
06:36.54Fisker-Ellipsis' Ellipsis
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06:39.13Diskmaster*Fisker- has been kicked. (lol)
06:39.19Fisker-no u
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07:09.05CIA-45037destiny * r80524 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/Kael'thasSunstrider.lua:
07:09.05CIA-45LittleWigs: MT/Kael'thasSunstrider:
07:09.05CIA-45- koKR Update
07:10.02clad|sleepFunkeh`: that's not you in EoTS is it?
07:11.12gaellalirehello, is there a difference between self:Hello(nil, nil) and self:Hello() ?
07:12.57clad|sleepgaellalire: yes
07:13.11clad|sleepin one you're calling with two arguments that are nil, and in the other you're calling with no argument.
07:13.23clad|sleepwhich if requested, are evaluated to nil
07:14.04gaellalireyes I know ^^, but in Hello method how to know what are the arguments ?
07:14.50clad|sleepI don't understand your question
07:15.10clad|sleepfor example, if Hello:() uses varargs, then it will be able to tell the difference
07:15.28gaellalirefunction A:Hello(...) print(#{...}) end
07:15.44gaellalirethat will returns 0 for the 2 calls no ?
07:16.00clad|sleeplua> funa = function(a,b) print(a,b) end; funcb = function(...) if select("#", ...) > 0 then print(...) else print("no args") end end; funa(); funb()
07:16.00lua_botclad|sleep: nil, nil, luabot:1: attempt to call global 'funb' (a nil value)
07:16.05clad|sleeplua> funa = function(a,b) print(a,b) end; funb = function(...) if select("#", ...) > 0 then print(...) else print("no args") end end; funa(); funb()
07:16.06lua_botclad|sleep: nil, nil, no args
07:16.19clad|sleepgaellalire: Well, a table with nil values will always have a length of 0
07:16.25clad|sleepbut that's not how you  test the length of varargs
07:16.26clad|sleepever
07:16.30clad|sleepso doing that is silly
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07:17.23gaellalireselect("#", ...) does not returns same value than #{...} ?
07:17.28cladhaireof course
07:17.35cladhaireyou can NEVER use # on a table that may contain nil values
07:17.36cladhaireEVER
07:17.45cladhaireit violates the precondition and makes buggy code
07:17.58cladhaireselect("#", ...) returns the number of arguments that were passed in the vararg slot
07:18.01cladhaireregardless of what they are
07:18.12cladhaireyou should _NEVER_ create a table from ...
07:18.13gaellalireok I will test that thx
07:18.40cladhaireyw
07:19.11Ellipsisgee cladhaire, you're always so negative....don't do this, NEVER do that...
07:20.02cladhairewhat sucks even more is that I'm right
07:20.07cladhaireit should never be done
07:20.35abugthat's not the way to win a sloppy code contest
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07:21.11cladhaireaaw, darm
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07:21.59mrmooI assume that bot has some checks for file input/infinite loops
07:22.19cladhaireplenty
07:22.28Ellipsisyou break it, you receive [Wrath of Clad]
07:22.29cladhaireyou'd be hard pressed to break it
07:22.34cladhairenah, you receive a cookie
07:22.38cladhaireso long as you tell me how you broke it
07:23.02Ellipsisand don't continue to break it while it's waiting on a fix :P
07:23.14cladhaireindeed
07:23.19cladhairelua> while true do end
07:23.24lua_botcladhaire: Your code exceeded set CPU limits
07:23.42cladhaireaaw thanks lua_bot you're swell
07:23.54lua_botNo, you're swell sexy pants!
07:23.56mrmooand I assume you didn't import/require/whatever_it_is_I_haven't_done_any_embedding_for_ages
07:24.01mrmooall the io crap
07:24.10cladhairelua> pp(io); pp(debug)
07:24.10lua_botcladhaire: nil, nil
07:24.16cladhairelua> pp(os)
07:24.16lua_botcladhaire: { ["date"] = function: 0x806d458, ["difftime"] = function: 0x806d490, ["time"] = function: 0x806b510, ["clock"] = function: 0x806d420 } (#1)
07:24.24cladhairethat would be almost impossible to sandbox, so no i didn't.
07:24.53mrmoothe cpu limit is a coroutine or some sort of watchdog thread?
07:25.15cladhaireneither
07:25.38cladhairethere are memory limits as well
07:26.32CIA-4503scorpio0920 * r80525 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-InstanceLoot/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-InstanceLoot.lua:
07:26.32CIA-45LibPeriodicTable-3.1:
07:26.32CIA-45- Added Zul'Aman timed reward chest loot.
07:26.36mrmoohow'yda do it then?
07:26.42mrmooalarm? :P
07:26.47mrmooseperate process?
07:27.10cladhaireno
07:27.11cladhairewell
07:27.14cladhaireseparate process
07:27.20mrmooerk
07:27.52CIA-4503scorpio0920 * r80526 10Mendeleev/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
07:27.52CIA-45Mendeleev:
07:27.52CIA-45- Added Zul'Aman timed reward chest.
07:27.52CIA-45- Added zhCN & zhTW localization.
07:27.52CIA-45- Other translation needed.
07:28.57mrmooI hope that's not a unix process anyway
07:29.03cladhaireit is.. why?
07:29.19mrmoounix process creation is extremely heavy
07:29.47Arrowmasterbatbot (in the other dev channel) has the debug library and shirik has broken it a lot
07:29.50mrmooyou could probably bring your box to a halt with 10 bots :P
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07:29.57cladhaireand that doesn't matter at all in this case
07:30.07mrmoo(10 people with bots sending it stuff)
07:30.15cladhaireI know exactly how heavy it is
07:30.20cladhairebut the fact of the matter is, that doesn't matter
07:31.01cladhaireyou cannot do what i'm doing without using threads, or processes
07:31.07mrmoooh?
07:31.08cladhaireand all of the multi threading libraries for lua have issues.
07:31.17chexsum<PROTECTED>
07:31.41mrmooyou can do it with a coroutine in process in about 15 lines of C :P
07:32.01cladhaireyou cannot do this in a single lua instance
07:32.03cladhairethis is a lua bot
07:32.06cladhaireclear enough?
07:32.13cladhaireits written in lua, the only C it uses is luasocket
07:32.21mrmooand lua
07:32.26CIA-45037destiny * r80527 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Localization/koKR.lua:
07:32.26CIA-45LibDogTag-Unit-3.0:
07:32.26CIA-45- koKR Update
07:33.48cladhaireokay, be back later tonight
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07:45.28CIA-45PitBull
07:45.28CIA-45- koKR Update for DT
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07:46.42orionshockif anyone is interested, fishking is shitting on the "New Curse Client" thread again....
07:47.00Fisker-shits moar
07:47.29orionshockhas anyone been able to verify if Fisker- is a bot? or is that just Fisker- being Fisker- ?
07:48.08Fisker-no u
07:48.32Fisker-probably didn't expect that one coming, did you?
07:48.54orionshocki did actually :\
07:49.00Fisker-what?
07:49.04Fisker-impossible!
07:49.38orionshockwhen you watch some one long enough you being to be able to rationally predict their responses to things.
07:50.56Fisker-i am in disbelief
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07:52.09orionshocki feel for you Fisker-, not really but i bullshit customer service all day long so i know how to make it believable.
07:53.00Fisker->:O
07:54.54orionshockHas anyone been able to figure out how to open tradeskill links?
08:02.20ArrowmasterSetItemRef() doesnt work?
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08:11.21steevnew curse client thread?
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08:13.00steevand if the client moved to something more akin to wau it would be nice
08:13.45steevbtw, has the wau source been re-released? or is it still closed development
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08:22.58Tigerdyrhmm.. there isn't any way for the Candy bar to work vertically rather than horizontally?
08:24.06Tigerdyrshort of making my own that is
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08:27.58Ellipsisyawns
08:28.03Ellipsis110 quests done today x.x
08:28.26Tigerdyr110??
08:28.30Tigerdyrdamn¨
08:28.32Ellipsisyeah
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08:28.50EllipsisI just got the "I've Toured the Fjord" acheivement
08:28.56Tigerdyrhahah :)
08:28.59Ellipsisand I only started playing this copy today
08:29.16Tigerdyrhm, no beta for me *sulk*
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08:33.05XuerianGreh... how do you get the edge to draw on Cooldown frames.
08:34.00Fisker-Ellipsis my friend
08:36.04EllipsisFisker- my lover
08:36.26thulach, I'm tired
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08:37.30XuerianIs there even a method to set drawEdge="true" on Cooldown frames created in lua? o_0
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08:43.50mrmoowhat happened to those posts in the client thread? =)
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08:55.56CIA-45037destiny * r80529 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Localization/koKR.lua:
08:55.56CIA-45LibDogTag-Unit-3.0:
08:55.56CIA-45- fix koKR
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08:58.27orionshockis stingersoft in IRC? that new russian translator?
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09:02.05Gnarfozhttp://exposureroom.com/members/Gnarfoz.aspx/assets/0a043500d3f74c08817f4179fb5bc15a/
09:02.48CIA-45037destiny * r80530 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Localization/koKR.lua:
09:02.48CIA-45LibDogTag-Unit-3.0:
09:02.48CIA-45- fix koKR
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09:18.45CIA-4503StingerSoft * r80532 10XLootGroup/localization.zhTW.lua: XLootGroup: organized localizations.
09:32.15orionshockArrowmaster: no it dosn't :(
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09:34.37KemayoAceConfig3's keybinding widget doesn't handle modified left clicks.  This is a pain.
09:36.07Nargiddleydoes it handle any left/right clicks ?
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09:39.36KemayoNargiddley: Nope
09:40.42Nargiddleyhmm, pretty sure that was by design. would you want it to return values for everything except unmodified left click ?
09:40.52KemayoIt uses the acegui-3.0 keybinding widget, which is carefully set up to ignore left and right clicks.
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09:41.08Nargiddleyyeah
09:41.25KemayoActually, I want values for everything.  I'm doing a config for what should happen when a frame is clicked on.
09:42.13Nargiddleyhmm, have to think how to do that. since clicking is a special meaning atm
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09:43.20KemayoI think I will hack it up by using a select instead for now.
09:44.21KemayoWell, okay, not terribly hackish.  But I think it's less elegant than just using the keybinding widget. :P
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09:52.59dieck_hi there. As the tutorials http://wowace.com/wiki/Ace3/Getting_Started and http://wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon greatly helped me to understand the basics of ace, is there any tutorial for developing own ui frames?
09:53.50orionshockwww.wowwiki.com
09:54.47gaellalirehi, does anyone know how to hide blizzard totem timers ?
09:56.44harltheoretically, could there be a map that's more enhancable (in terms of zooming) than it is now?
09:56.50orionshockgaellalire: find the frame name and then do  /run <frameName>:Hide()
09:57.13orionshockharl
09:57.16gaellalireyes I need the name ...
09:57.17orionshock~cartographer3
09:57.18purlrumour has it, cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523
09:57.51orionshockgaellalire: try  /dump GetMouseFocus():GetName()
09:58.02orionshockprovided you have Ace2 installed or DevTools
09:58.04gaellalirethx ^^
09:58.32orionshockhehe, i keep ace2 standalone around just for that 1 command ...
09:58.33harlorionshock: ok. will see. thanks.
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10:02.21cladhaireorionshock: why not devtools, seems like it would make more sense than ace2 standalone
10:02.22cladhaire*shrug*
10:02.43orionshocki still use alot of ace2 based mods
10:02.57cladhaireah, your statement didn't indicate that
10:03.02orionshockand devtools, looks weird; never got used to the way it works...
10:03.13cladhairewell, if all you're doing is /dump
10:03.17cladhairethey look pretty much the same
10:03.18cladhairebut okay
10:03.21cladhairewas just curiouis
10:03.59orionshockand speaking to you cladhaire, any ideas on how to open the new tradeskill links?
10:04.14cladhaireno, I haven't played with them very much at all
10:04.22orionshock-.-
10:04.35cladhairehrm
10:04.41cladhairewhich class gets dual wield first?
10:04.50orionshockrouges i think
10:04.51Nargiddleyrogues at 10
10:05.21cladhairehrm
10:05.26cladhairei dont know if i can be arsed to level to 10
10:05.40cladhairei'll just buy offhand items on my druid
10:05.45cladhairesince that'll accomplish the same general thing
10:06.38DJNWMornin' all.  by any chance, is anyone getting errors from pitbull_auras? Update.lua's going bonkers during combat: "PitBull_Aura-2.0\Update.lua:103: attempt to compare function with number"
10:07.36Funkeh`blame ckknight
10:08.41GnarfozDJNW: live/beta?
10:08.51DJNWjust cleared the counter. faerie fire -> mangle ->5xlacerate throws 147 errors
10:08.54DJNWlive
10:09.18DJNW"[2008/08/16 11:07:48-3737-x147]: PitBull_Aura-2.0\Update.lua:103: attempt to compare function with number
10:09.25Gnarfozhm, never had that happen, you're running lates svn build?
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10:09.58Ellipsis~lart ckknight
10:09.58purlpushes the wall down onto ckknight whilst whistling innocently
10:10.08DJNWas far as I'm aware, no.
10:10.17Ellipsiswhen did you last update it?
10:10.23DJNWlessee 80528
10:10.23Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383540671&postId=53828773231&sid=1#5 <-lol
10:10.34DJNWjust hit f9 right this minute
10:10.55Ellipsisyeah he broke it then :P
10:11.16Fisker-i'm wondering how good warhammer support is going to be
10:11.22Fisker-if it's anything like AoC i'll laugh :D
10:11.34EllipsisDJNW: can you take a screenshot of your aura settings so we know how to duplicate it?
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10:12.10GnarfozFisker-: he won't get anything, anyway, right? :>
10:12.28Fisker-get anything?
10:12.36Gnarfozget anything back
10:12.44Gnarfozfrom the stuff the other guy took from him
10:12.45Fisker-he will
10:13.00Gnarfozsince when do they do that oO
10:13.13Fisker-long time ago
10:13.21Fisker-last year'ish
10:13.32Fisker-they'll also actually punish the scammer :O
10:14.04Fisker-but in AoC it's just GG
10:14.14Fisker-if an item is bugged, you're fucked
10:14.33Fisker-a friend of mine lost 50g or 100g on a mount that didn't work
10:14.48Fisker-so he bought a new one thinking that they would just reimburse the money
10:14.50Fisker-but they wouldn't
10:15.12Fisker-so now he has a mount that works, and one that doesn't :D
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10:16.09Fisker-warhammer will fail though
10:16.59GnarfozAoC did, I'm not sure WAR will be much different
10:17.14DJNWerrors: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/djnw/pbauras.jpg
10:17.17Gnarfozhttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/690/wowscrnshot081608014242uv4.jpg < wtb refer-a-friend exploiting
10:17.20DJNWer..and settings, even, too
10:18.12DJNWbut I'll swear up-and-down I've not touched the aura settings, ever.  never needed to.
10:18.51Ellipsishmkay, thanks
10:20.03Gnarfozlooks like something's passing something wrong into getPlayerAuraDuration
10:20.13Gnarfoz(as third arg, providedDuration)
10:21.40Gnarfoz~seen ag`
10:21.42purlag` <n=Andreas@0x535bbf1a.bynxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 17h 9m 52s ago, saying: 'ok :P'.
10:21.46Gnarfoz:[
10:22.07GnarfozArrowmaster: any idea why ag_uf buff filtering silently fails @ beta? :\
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10:31.10cladhairecan someone test somethign for me
10:31.14cladhaireequip a 2H weapon
10:31.38cladhaireand do /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetInventoryItemLink("player", GetInventorySlotInfo("SecondaryHandSlot")))
10:33.04CrazyBennynothing happens:)
10:33.09cladhaireboo
10:33.11cladhairethat sucks =/
10:33.24cladhaireHow can I tell if you have a 2-handed weapon equipped easily then
10:36.07Ellipsisum...if equipping an OH fails, then you have a 2H on? :P
10:36.11cladhaireyeah
10:36.13cladhairethats the best I can do
10:36.16cladhaire:P
10:37.42DJNWhmm... pt3 has categories for 1h and 2h weapons
10:37.47DJNWpossibly only sockets ones, though
10:37.50Ellipsis...no.
10:38.01cladhairei dont want to use pt3
10:38.03Nargiddleyitemtype would be better than that, but still not perfect
10:38.12cladhaireI can brute force try them on
10:38.18cladhairenot many people have that many weapon combinations
10:38.19cladhaireso i'm okay with that
10:40.07Nargiddleyyou could check the item sub type, but those returns are localised
10:40.19cladhaireits easier to brute it in this case :P
10:40.43Nargiddleyhmm, theres the macro conditional equipped:Two-Hand how does that work ?
10:40.46cladhaireconsidering that's what this addon does :P
10:41.34dieckcan anyone hint me to an addon that uses AceGui-3.0, so that I can try to figure out some things?
10:44.32digmouse1is global "TextStatusBarTextSmall" changed or exists? my ClearFont keep reporting "attempt to index global 'TextStatusBarTextSmall' (a nil value)"
10:45.14CIA-4503zhucc * r80533 10YurrCombatLog/Locale-zhTW.lua:
10:45.14CIA-45YurrCombatLog:
10:45.14CIA-45- zhTW update
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10:51.03cladhaireTrell-: In theory I just coded offhand support, if you want to test it for me :P
10:51.13cladhaireTrell-: I don't have access to WoW here, but I can commit it if you wanna try
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10:52.53cladhaireAnyone want to get me the in-game error message for when you try to equip an off-hand while you have a 2h already equipped?
10:53.05Nargiddleyone sec
10:53.06cladhaireputs on his "cute puppy" face
10:53.58NargiddleyCannot equip that with a two-handed weapon.
10:54.03Fisker-puts on his wizard hat
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10:54.22steevcladhaire: offhandhasweapon ?
10:54.25cladhaireERR_2HANDED_EQUIPPED
10:54.25cladhairethanks.
10:54.47cladhairesteev: oh
10:54.48cladhaireduuur
10:54.49cladhairethanks :P
10:55.05cladhairesteev: what does that return when you have a 2-H equipped?
10:55.07steevi mean, that doesn't exactly tell you that you have a 2h weapon
10:55.11cladhairewell
10:55.13cladhairein my case it would
10:55.25cladhaireif it returns 1 for 2-h weapons
10:55.29steev1 if the player has a weapon equipped in the offhand, nil otherwise (1nil)
10:55.31cladhairethat's much better than the error handling :P
10:55.38cladhairesteev: yes, I know what the docs say, I wrote them :P
10:55.51cladhairesteev: I'm asking what it actually reutrns when you have a 2-H equipped :P
10:55.57steevlemme login :-P
10:56.01cladhaire<3
10:56.37Nargiddleynil
10:56.54cladhairebo
10:56.55cladhaireboo
10:56.59cladhaireso error messages it is!
10:57.00Nargiddleyalthough
10:57.04cladhairetho the character frame can tell
10:57.08cladhaireso i wonder what its using
10:57.12Nargiddley/print SecureCmdOptionParse("[equipped:two-hand] Test") seems to only return anything if I have a 2h equipped
10:57.21cladhairelol
10:57.37Nargiddleydunno if thats much better than error msgs tho :P
10:57.51cladhairehrm, the character frame no longer shows the 2h wep on both slots does it
10:57.54cladhairei remember it used to
10:58.10NargiddleyEmpty off hand slot
10:58.18cladhairedidn't it used to be a red version of the icon?
10:58.25Nargiddleydon't remember
10:58.27steevit doesn't show anything in the slot anymore
10:58.30steevcorrect
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10:58.47steevhugs his Battleworn Hammer
10:58.59steevleave her alone, shes level 2
10:59.21cladhairethen this code should work
10:59.22cladhairein theory :P
10:59.34cladhairei knew i should have brought my authenticator with me
10:59.41Nargiddley/print IsEquippedItemType("Two-Hand")
10:59.53cladhairewin!
10:59.57Nargiddley1 if a two hander is equipped, nil if not
11:01.54cladhairewin
11:03.25steevding! level 3 woohoo
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11:08.39cladhaireNargiddley: thanks, that simplified things a bit
11:08.54cladhaireand sped things up, since I don't have to try every off-hand on for every single mainhand :P
11:09.16Nargiddleyheh
11:09.51cladhairei love watching this addon go
11:09.55cladhairei should add funny messages to it
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11:20.21orionshockwhere do alliance go to get the 300+ First aid skill?
11:20.24steevwhat are you doing?
11:20.31steevorionshock: temple of telhamut
11:20.58Pneumatusorionshock: temple of telhemat
11:20.59orionshockthx steev, i've never actualy lvl'ed or play'ed alliance side :\
11:21.15steevunfortunately, i have
11:21.46steevthey suck at pvp and their racials are shit
11:22.16Ellipsisoh yeah? well horde is UGLY :P
11:22.29Pneumatusalliance racials are more beneficial to pve, imo
11:22.29Thelynaguys, faction drama is sooo 2005.
11:22.31orionshockwell, if blizzard dosnt give us a way to disassemble the new tradeskill links, i can atleast setup my addon to scan the linked ones when you open the window :D
11:22.32Thelyna:)
11:22.44FinalXuhm, my blood elf racials are imba for my tankadin :P
11:22.46Ellipsisrather stare at a human or night elf than some butt-ugly orc...or cow, for that matter ;)
11:22.49harlagrees with Thelyna.
11:22.55FinalXhavent used any other racial as often in pve as my tankadin's
11:24.29Fisker-i'm killing you
11:24.51EllipsisFisker-, you are the cancer that is killing this channel.
11:25.20Fisker-indeed
11:25.40Fisker-i'm the reason this channel is losing it's tits
11:25.55EllipsisI hope you're happy
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11:27.59nevcairielwe're losing tits? oh noes :(
11:28.18dafirei can giev url to tits
11:28.53Ellipsismmm, tits
11:29.10LukianXinhuan, here?
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11:38.03erikhheh, they're both the same as far as complaints go
11:38.20erikhthe only difference is that horde raiders complain about alliance getting all the players
11:38.30erikhand alliance players complain about never being able to win against horde
11:38.58erikheverything else, down to the complaining about who's ganking who more, is exactly the same
11:39.17erikh(and it's all annoying)
11:41.22Tigerdyrhm.. am I remembering wrong or wasn't there some site where you could see the ui options of the game? like Interface\DialogFrame\UI-DialogBox-Background and so on?
11:42.15Tigerdyrshort of extracting them ;-)
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11:48.05AdysAnyone else got the same problem in aguf? after each /reloadui if Im in a group it shows both the aguf party frame and the default one
11:48.44Merayes
11:48.56Merathats almost why i switched to pitbull :x
11:49.37Merabut exact same annoying prob i got
11:49.55Adyshmm :/
11:49.58GnarfozAdys: the same, dunno why it happens though
11:50.08ThelynaAdys: I just put my mouse over the party frames and do /script GetMouseFocus():Hide();
11:50.16Thelyna(have to do that once for each party member)
11:51.23Adyscheers Thelyna that worked :) for now anyway
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11:53.32Merathink to submit ticket on curseforge i see it on
11:53.51Merawith 0 tickets
11:54.00Thelynathe other thing you could do is /script GetMouseFocus():GetName(); and then use that to make a macro to hide all of the party frames at once
11:55.41dieckcan anyone hint me to an addon that uses AceGui-3.0, so that I can try to figure out some things about how to add widgets?
12:08.27nevcairieldieck: MobSpells, iirc
12:08.32Trell-morning
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12:14.57diecknevcairiel: thx, I'll have a look
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12:29.23orionshockgrr static popup hate
12:32.55Fisker-orionshock random rant hate
12:33.08Trell-cladhaire: ping!
12:33.22orionshockyes, can't get the yes no buttons to call the corresponding functions
12:36.08digmouse~seen apoco
12:36.10purlapoco <i=Apoco@adsl-99-162-57-237.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 23d 6h 45m ago, saying: 'Arrowmaster: pm'.
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12:36.24digmouseok i'd better contact him on cf
12:36.42CIA-4503adirelle * r80534 10Yatba/libs/LibBars-1.1/ (7 files):
12:36.42CIA-45Yatba: (LibBars-1.1)
12:36.42CIA-45- split the main, big file in smaller ones for clarity and documentation purposes.
12:38.24nevcairieloh my
12:38.33nevcairielsplitting a lib into parts is really something you should avoid
12:38.36nevcairielspanks Adirelle
12:39.34Adirellenevcairiel: well, several namespaces in one big file doesn't play well with Autodoc
12:39.42nevcairielwho cares
12:39.54Adirelleme, I'm going to autodoc it
12:39.59nevcairielsplitting a library into multiple files generates more problems then it solves
12:40.19nevcairieland should only be done for very large projects to keep your sanity
12:40.24nevcairielLibBars really isnt big
12:41.37Adirellewell, I've got 3 namespaces, that gives 2 files that are ~500 lines long and a third file that is ~700 lines long
12:42.37nevcairielYour point being?
12:42.58orionshocklocal lib, don't think it's much of a problem
12:43.16thul~internettime
12:43.17Adirellein one file, it is long enough to often get lost into
12:43.20thul~internet time
12:43.23thulwtf :-P what was the trigger?
12:43.31orionshock~time
12:43.32purlYou cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2008.08.16 12:43:32 GMT)
12:43.40Adirellebut well, I could handle this if autodoc would too
12:43.59thulwell, not time, but the "internet standard time" (being morning always)
12:44.04thulping pke
12:44.05nevcairiel~ugt
12:44.06purlwell, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
12:44.09orionshock^^
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12:44.17Fisker-~uft
12:44.18purlUniversal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time.
12:44.20Adirelle(though my Java-ish side tells me that each class should live in its own file)
12:44.27Fisker-aight nevcairiel ?
12:44.32nevcairielLua is not OO
12:44.40nevcairielits just namespacing
12:44.41nevcairielnot classes
12:44.51orionshockbut it acts similar enough, meh
12:45.48nevcairielbut what do i care anyway, just dont move that thing to trunk =P
12:46.20Adirelleok, so the other way is to tweak autodoc.rb to handle several namespaces in one source file ?
12:46.40nevcairielI dont care about your documentation needs, really
12:46.47Adirelleok lol
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12:47.43AdirelleI just can answer I don't care about you being scare by multi-file library, period
12:48.30Stanzillahm, is there an option in MSBT for item cooldowns like trinkets or so?
12:48.32nevcairielAs long as you dont start spreading a LibBars version in trunk without asking the explicit permission from the original author
12:49.36nevcairielCant stop you from breaking your own addon at some point, i've worked with a library that was split up in multiple files, and it always ends up in crazyness due to upgrade path stuff
12:51.02AdirelleI talk about that new version here : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14641.0
12:51.12AdirelleAntiarc is free to answer there
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12:52.27nevcairielreceiving no "No" is not a yes, just to clarify that =P
12:52.40Adirelleand the lib is written like Threat-2.0, so that either all or none of the file are taken into account if an upgrade is required
12:53.07Adirellee.g. no partial updates
12:53.32SakiCould anyone help me with an oUF layout? I'm trying to get it to show groups 1-5 instead of 1-8.
12:53.33Adirellebut well, actually LibBars-1.1 still lives in my addon and doesn't interfere with LibBars-1.0
12:53.34thulhmm
12:53.37thulmy wow keeps crashing today
12:54.28nevcairielThats why i say that i don't want to see it in trunk without permission from antiarc to create a -1.1, if you want to share it with others, use a different name
12:55.44nevcairiel(Also i fail to realize why the GetWidth and GetHeight are so broken, its just one more "if" to add to your own code, and all is good)
12:57.05nevcairielAlso, its always nice to ask before commiting functional changes to some elses addon, did you do that?
12:57.20orionshockAdirelle: i'd change the Major version IMO, that way it can't
12:57.22thulMOAR DRAMA
12:59.10orionshockthul: it's not drama, it's nevcairiel doing his part here in IRC and watching the SVN commits like a hawk so something dosn't end up screwed.
12:59.33Adirellenevcairiel: sample is coming
13:00.57thulhehe, and still it is great fun orionshock  :-D
13:01.01nevcairielI'm really not that much interested in the functional changes, more if you asked before commiting rather big changes to LibBars-1.0 :)
13:04.56Adirellenevcairiel: take this sample aceconfig3 options, create a bargroup "", play a couple of times all options, and looks how it behaves: http://ace.pastey.net/93945
13:05.41nevcairielAs i said, a simple wrapper that switches the return values depending on orientation would solve all that
13:06.19Adirelleactually, a frame:GetHeight that returns frame:GetWidth seems quite unnatural
13:06.52Adirelle(bars and groups are both Frames)
13:07.14nevcairielBut to the more serious question, did you ever ask Antiarc about the new features you introduced into LibBars-1.0? And did you get his permission? I see some rather big changes there
13:08.42Adirelleone half are bug-fixes
13:08.45BreezeCan't he make an SVN branch and ask the original author permission to merge it? or is branching not that simple in SVN?
13:08.53nevcairielBreeze: its simple
13:09.39nevcairielAdirelle: so from your evading answer i assume you never spoke to him, and just commited away. You did read the rules page, right? Dont do that!
13:10.24nevcairielI'll bring it to Antiarc's attention so he can review the changes if it still goes with his plans and ideas for the library
13:10.33Adirelleas you want...
13:11.45nevcairielWe do have the rules for a reason, if you don't want to accept him, and fail to do so in the future, we will talk again.
13:11.57nevcairiels/him/them/
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13:14.50AdirelleI don't feel having done major rewriting of LibBars-1.0, I didn't broke the API, most of methods I added were to avoid tweaking directly into the object internals
13:15.22nevcairielIf everyone started to add convenience functions for their own addons, all libraries would fall apart
13:16.10nevcairielIf its only that, i bet Antiarc would've agreed that those are good
13:16.12nevcairielwhy not just ask?
13:16.17nevcairielIts just polite
13:17.22Corganrewrites nevcairiel to be new and improved
13:18.03Adirelleaccording to svn logs and forum topics about the subject, it seems Antiarc doesn't really care about it now, and at least he still could revert my changes if he doesn't like them
13:18.30elite3vilIf he didn't like them, and you asked, he wouldn't have to revert them.
13:18.43CorganThat's not even the point.
13:18.53nevcairielAll i want is that you ask before changing other peoples addons/libraries
13:19.05nevcairielDon't just assume they dont care
13:19.20nevcairielI know that Antiarc cares, he just doesnt have any freetime right now
13:19.32Corganassuming makes an ass out of you and me!
13:19.37Corganruns away
13:20.05elite3vilCorgan: You know we were all thinking that. I was waiting to see who would say it first.
13:20.25vithos_that ming guy was already an ass
13:20.48Adirelleactually he's so busy I can't even talk to him... (because even if I didn't mentionned it, I tried...)
13:21.08nevcairielAs i said earlier, no "No" is not a "Yes"
13:21.18SakiCould anyone help me with an oUF layout?
13:21.32nevcairielHe isnt here on irc that often, but there is still PM on the forums
13:23.33matt1sThe suffix to a library, i.e. LibHealComm-3.0, does that signify that it's compatible with Ace3?
13:23.51AdirelleI'll try again then, until he answer, I'll keep both LibBars-1.0 and LibBars-1.1 as they are ATM
13:24.08nevcairielmatt1s: no, its just the version number
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13:24.49Adirelle(that still doesn't address my documentation needs though)
13:25.29BreezeWhat about making a branch for the documentation (for personal use until author responds) and making a new library with the additional functionality that only enables itself when it sees version 1.0? (assuming you'd like to release your addon asap). just my 2 cents
13:26.54AdirelleBreeze: didn't caugth that part : "making a new library with the additional functionality that only enables itself when it sees version 1.0?"
13:27.43Breezesomething like a new library called LibBars-1.0-Adirelle_patches which adds the orientation code you made. You won't
13:27.45Breezeoops
13:28.12Breezehave to edit the libbars-1.0 svn, but just add a new addon
13:29.35AdirelleBreeze: that would break existing LibBars-1.0 (incompatible API changes), hence the creation of a LibBars-1.1 (which is actually unreleased)
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13:30.30AdirelleI mean, suppose you have several addons that uses LibBars-1.0, if one of them makes incomptable changes to LibBars-1.0, it screws all the others
13:31.14BreezeAdirelle, is there no way to make the changes without breaking the API?
13:32.05Adirellethat's tricky, because the LibBars objects are tied with the Frame API
13:32.23Adirellea LibBars bar IS a Blizzard Frame
13:32.28nevcairielI still dont think the width/height thing is so broken, you just need to wrap the return values around if you have vertical bars
13:32.43nevcairielcreating a new lib just to avoid that is kinda a stretch
13:33.08CIA-4503Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate * r80535 10EasyDND/ (EasyDND-Locale-deDE.lua EasyDND.lua):
13:33.08CIA-45EasyDND:
13:33.09CIA-45-fixed issue with german client (bug id#2 on curseforge)
13:33.41Adirellethat would be incompatible with the Blizzard frame API, and I don't know where the GetWidth() and GetHeight() are used, I'm scared this would have pretty bad side effects
13:34.06matt1sWhere would I start if I want to create a bar mod with Ace3?
13:34.07nevcairielwrap that in your own code, not in LibBars =P
13:34.13vithos_lol, wowtorrentex just fucked me.
13:34.21cladhaireTrell-: pong
13:34.31vithos_it gave me the BC full installer torrent instead of the slim installer torrent out of the BC trial downloader exe
13:34.41vithos_which downgraded my install from 2.4.3 to 2.0
13:34.54sacarasclol
13:34.58CIA-4503ckknight * r80536 10PitBull/Aura/Update.lua: PitBull - Bugfix
13:35.48Adirellenevcairiel: you mean fix the library design flaws in my addon ? I'd better write a new version of library... oh wait...
13:35.51Chomperspitbull updates, woo
13:36.12nevcairielI still dont see the big flaw
13:36.18nevcairielwidth is always width
13:36.22nevcairieland height is height
13:36.43nevcairielJust that width isnt always length
13:38.32cladhaireTrell-: you should be able to just svn update and test it out to see if it works
13:38.35cladhaireand let me know if it doesn't.
13:38.39cladhaireso I can fix it
13:38.42cladhaireyou can always revert
13:39.23Trell-ok thanks
13:42.45Adirellenevcariel, the bars are created by function lib:NewCounterBar(name, text, value, maxVal, icon, orientation, width, height, isTimer), notice the width and height arguments
13:42.46Trell-i'll test it shortly cladhaire; just trying to sort my videos out
13:43.03cladhaireGIEF
13:43.03Trell-also; did you see my bastardisation of your code to add a seperate message frame?
13:43.04cladhairehttp://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/polarbear.jpg
13:43.26Adirellebar = addon:NewCounterBar("someBar", "text", 5, 10, nil, LibBars.BOTTOM_TO_TOP, 200, 15) ; assert(bar:GetWidth()==200) -- fails
13:43.40CIA-4503borlox * r80537 10Fortress/ (10 files in 2 dirs):
13:43.40CIA-45Fortress:
13:43.40CIA-45- added localization files (though nothing is localized)
13:43.56cladhaireTrell-: I did, its pretty easy i should add it as an output window in the options pane
13:43.59cladhairethat's what I'll do actually
13:44.03Trell-that would be awesome
13:44.03cladhairehave a "log" that goes there
13:44.06cladhairewill do
13:44.06cladhaire:P
13:44.26Trell-purely because personally I have seperate chat tabs, and never really look at my General tab
13:46.34Adirelleif I swapped GetWidth and GetHeight as you propo, I will break
13:47.20Adirelle(damn, shoudn't have my baby sitting in range of the keyboard)
13:48.17Adirellewell,  if I swapped GetWidth and GetHeight as you proposed, I would break this other assertion with vertical bars : bar:GetWidth() == bar:GetRight()-bar:GetLeft()
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13:54.21BreezeAdirelle, Is the no way of subclassing it in any way?
13:55.52AdirelleBreeze, actually it's kinda subclassed by LibBars, but totally changing the meaning of parent methods in a subclass is failure
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14:06.41Chompersckk: PitBull_Aura-2.0\Update.lua:103: attempt to compare function with number
14:06.49ckknightalready fixed
14:06.51Chompersoh, you already fixed it, never mind
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14:07.50Gnarfozhaha @ shop sign in Dalaran: "Would you enjoy som wine with your cheese? No, really. We sell"
14:07.59CIA-4503digmouse * r80538 10ClearFont2/Design.lua:
14:07.59CIA-45ClearFont2：
14:07.59CIA-45-add a special check for TextStatusBarTextSmall global to prevent errors on non-en client
14:07.59CIA-45-Tested on enUS only, if it causes problem revert it then
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14:10.28ckknightwtf, someone complimented me for PitBull by finding me on facebook
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14:11.04selckinyou lose points for having a facebook tho
14:11.22kappaccinoyeah
14:11.27Trell-stalkers'r'us
14:11.30kappaccinoselckin has a myspace with all the cool people
14:11.34kappaccinofacebook ftl
14:12.12ckknightI hardly ever use my facebook
14:12.18ckknightbut my family uses it for some ungodly reason
14:12.23ckknightso it makes em feel better
14:12.58selckinthats the only reason so many people use em imo, 'peer' pressure :)
14:13.59ckknightit's more an issue of appeasement
14:14.15ckknightlike Hitler with Czechoslovakia
14:16.03Pneumatuswhats the command to work out what rating you need for a certain number of points?
14:16.10Pneumatus!points 1000
14:16.11Xinhuan1000 arena points require 1960(5s), 2067(3s) and 2259(2s) team rating.
14:16.13Pneumatusaha
14:16.29kappaccinoi have no use for my facebook either
14:16.39Trell-I got banned on facebook
14:16.52Trell-for 'advertising', even though I couldn't work out how, where, and why
14:16.53kappaccinoit was just a placeholder until someone I knew friended me on there and I saw it thru my email
14:16.58kappaccinoshe might be a stalker
14:17.01Trell-and I couldn't be arsed to work out how to get myself unbanned
14:20.35Sakihttp://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25201/New%20Text%20Document.txt Can anyone help me make a group filter? I'm trying to get it to only show 1-5. This is the code I'm working with (assuming this is the piece needed)
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14:25.20IndustrialQuestion about AddonLoader
14:25.28IndustrialI see X-LoadOn-Events: UNIT_SPELLCAST_START, UNIT_MANA
14:25.35Industrialon the wiki page
14:26.03Industrialbut isnt that really anoying? eg your casting bar only loading when you atart to cast? wont that lag your interface to hell if all addons would do that?
14:26.34Industrialprods [Ammo]
14:26.48Pneumatus!rating 1450
14:26.48Xinhuan1450 rating gives 333(5s), 293(3s) and 253(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
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14:28.50IndustrialSo the question would be; Is AddonLoader ment for all addons to use/support or only those that could somehow be LOD?
14:29.48IndustrialI mean i could put all my addons on X-LoadOn-Always: delayed and it would reduce the initial load time but it would just extend that load time to when you are logged in and lock your interface up right?
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14:34.39nevcairielI've never seend my interface "lock up" with using X-LoadOn-Always: delayed
14:34.53Merawow 100m 9.68 usain bolt he pwned world record
14:35.06Industrialreally? so I should consider it for all my addons?
14:35.45nevcairielWell maybe not on all
14:35.55nevcairielsome addons might require some of the initialization events
14:36.00nevcairiellike P_L, P_E_W
14:36.41Industrialim using PLAYER_LOGIN to enable' them
14:36.48Industrial-'
14:37.27Industrialwill it still catch/handle that?
14:37.51nevcairieldepends on the addon, reall
14:37.53nevcairiel*really
14:43.23Chompersckk, is it possible to show energy ticks on bars other than the player bar?
14:43.31Chomperssay my target of target bar
14:43.38ckknighttheoretically, but no, it doesn't currently
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14:48.26cladhaireIndustrial: delayed spaces them out
14:48.30cladhairethey dont' ALL load at the same time
14:48.35cladhairethey just load delayed
14:48.58cladhairewhat you really should do is making things delayed until something specific happens
14:49.04cladhaireliek a window opens, slash command, etc.
14:49.38Industrialright
15:00.10CIA-4503next96 * r80539 10YurrCombatLog/Locale-koKR.lua:
15:00.10CIA-45YurrCombatLog:
15:00.10CIA-45- Update locale koKR
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15:10.31digmousewhy if I Alt+Click another frame while configuring PitBull, then my client crash
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15:19.34Industrialnevcairiel: if I load an addon on a certain event and my addon handles that event itself will it still fire for my addon or do I just need to call the handler after loading the addon in the toc
15:19.47Industrialeg PLAYER_XP_UPDATE or GOSSIP_SHOW
15:34.25Industrialnevcairiel: ping
15:34.35Groktarpong
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15:34.59IndustrialGroktar: you cant read?
15:38.01nevcairielNo the addons wont get the events anymore, i believe
15:38.04nevcairielbut try it :)
15:38.28BreezeDoes the WoW client cache friendlist info and can GetNumFriends and GetFriendInfo ever get out of sync? It seems that sometimes GetFriendInfo returns name=nil while the index < GetNumFriends() (I'm assuming index < GetNumFriends, because I've done numFriends = GetNumFriends() and this bug is hard to reproduce). I hope someone can help :)
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15:39.02Xinhuanyes that can happen
15:39.06BreezeI use numFriends in the loop btw*
15:39.21Xinhuanyou are only allowed to query the server for friends list updates every 5 secs or so max
15:39.32Xinhuankind of like the /who list
15:39.53BreezeAre you sure about that? I haven't noticed delays in it
15:40.06Fisker-oh noes
15:40.08Fisker-it's nevcairiel
15:40.40Xinhuanhmm your situation shouldn't happen
15:40.51Xinhuanunles syou're using a cached number
15:41.26BreezeXinhuan, I am ;), though I remember one time it happened when I used   for i = 1, GetNumFriends( )
15:41.35Xinhuandon't cache it
15:41.42Breezeok
15:41.52Xinhuanor rather, if u cache it
15:42.07Xinhuanu need to update that number on FRIENDS_LIST_UPDATE event (if that is what the event is called)
15:42.58Xinhuancos that event fires when data changes
15:43.03Xinhuanand hence stuff needs to be updated
15:43.04Breezeyes I'm using that event to cache the friendlist and to find out changes made
15:47.53Fisker-Xinhuan didn't you make mapster btw?
15:48.03Xinhuannev did
15:48.17Fisker-is there instance maps for it?
15:48.21Xinhuanno
15:48.28Fisker->:3
15:48.31Xinhuanbut there's a standalone addon called InstanceMaps by kemayo
15:48.35Gnarfoz.
15:48.42Xinhuanwhich is basically a rip/data copy from cartographer_instancemaps
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15:48.54Xinhuanbut since the liscense is gpl, its pretty much allowed ;p
15:48.57Fisker-bad kemayo
15:49.28Stanzillarips Xinhuan
15:49.36Fisker-is there a ratingbuster that won't rape my FPS?
15:49.50Gnarfozhow would rb rape your fps?
15:50.07Fisker-When i compare items
15:50.07Xinhuanthere is an addon by Jerry called Ratings
15:50.18Xinhuanwhich tries to do what Ratingbuster does (convert rating to %)
15:50.25Xinhuanbut it does not do summary details
15:51.29CIA-4503Copystring * r80540 10YurrCombatLog/Core.lua:
15:51.29CIA-45YurrCombatLog:
15:51.29CIA-45- make CombatLogQuickButtonFrame_Custom move with outputFrame
15:51.29CIA-45- possible fix not showing any output while using Chatter
15:52.51digmouseok my enCN data corrupts after a client crash
15:53.10Fisker-oh well
15:53.17Fisker-we'll probably get instance maps in WotLK anyways
15:53.36nevcairielwho knows
15:53.39nevcairielhopefully, though
15:53.44nevcairieli hate those minimap-build maps
15:53.46nevcairielgiev drawn maps
15:53.51nevcairiellooks so much better
15:53.53Cheadsvery nice change log for Squeenix 3.0.1.5 at wowinterface: Fix stupid time thing, why the hell does Blizzy manually construct the AM/PM ****? For that matter, why the hell do people not use 24hr time? Math too hard?    /target Tekkub /cheer =)
15:53.54Fisker-Well they enabled locs in instances at a point
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15:54.04Fisker-and now they've added some stuff to the game which indicates they may do it
15:54.30nevcairielthe level thing eh? Looks useful on dalaran
15:54.32digmousecrash caused by PitBull, anyone know why Alt+clicking other frame when configuring would cause a crash?
15:54.35Fisker-Appears they're going to be handling location in z-space as well
15:54.47Fisker-and it appears in the mpq structure that there may be maps for instances
15:54.55Fisker-so >:3
15:54.58Fisker-hopes
15:55.14Matrix110|giev new Mage Skill
15:55.29digmousepray for his client
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15:55.58Industrialcan I have more then one ButtonFacade skin loaded and then choose one or should I load one at a time?
15:56.18Stanzillathe former
15:56.22Industrialk
15:58.08Fisker-hmm
15:58.14Fisker-still about a 10FPS loss when comparing items
15:58.14Fisker-;_;
15:58.32IndustrialFisker-: with?
15:59.03Megalonon live? i get no framedrops with ratingbuster an items shift-comparing
15:59.26Xinhuanthat's cos its throtled to once per 0.2s for bag buttons
15:59.32Xinhuantry it on an AH item or mailbox
15:59.36Xinhuanand you'll see it go down
15:59.42Xinhuanthere's no onupdate throtle on those
15:59.45Fisker-actually it also happens for bag buttons on mine
15:59.52Xinhuanthen your bag addon sucks ;p
16:00.04Fisker-With Ratingbuster when i compare items: FPS goes to ~5-10
16:00.09Xinhuanfor using an onupdate without throtling it
16:00.15Fisker-Without Ratingbuster it only goes down to 50ish
16:00.38Fisker-must be something else effecting it as well then
16:01.24Matrix110|When you compare items you normally dont fight or?
16:01.32Fisker-seems to be mendeleev
16:01.40Matrix110|does it matter that much then if you get 10fps less ? :P
16:02.19Fisker-that was without ratingbuster
16:02.24Fisker-Running around with 1-10 FPS anywhere is not good :(
16:02.40Fisker-but the problem actually isn't there with mendeleev disabled
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16:02.56Dark_Elfsee those frame rates regularly
16:02.58Fisker-so that solve that mystery
16:03.33Fisker-Any mendeleev like replacement that doesn't suck? :D
16:03.48Matrix110|what is mendeleev doing?
16:03.49Stanzillawhat does mendleev do?
16:03.58Stanzillacurses Matrix110|
16:03.58Matrix110|and what are you using of it because iam sure it does more than you ned
16:04.02Fisker-add item level and drop information from periodic table
16:04.10Fisker-that's what i'm using it for :P
16:04.13Fisker-don't need the crafting info
16:04.16Fisker-also disabled that
16:04.18Matrix110|Drop information= who drops it?
16:04.18Cheadshmm regarding StatBlock   I see addons like StatBlocks_XP and StatBlock_XP  what's the difference?
16:04.24Fisker-yeah Matrix110|
16:04.27Xinhuanwell a one line macro can add itemlevel to all tooltips
16:04.41Xinhuanand WhoDrops, or Whats adds drop info?
16:04.54Matrix110|Hmm RatingBuster can display ItemLevel aswell
16:04.59Xinhuanyep that too
16:05.00Matrix110|and you are using that already
16:05.03Xinhuanits just one line of code
16:05.17Fisker->:3
16:05.48Funkeh`(s) is the old version
16:05.53Funkeh`Cheads,
16:06.16KautionTapeAnyone know why my one custom frame isn't hiding when I Alt-Z my interface away? =/
16:06.33Fisker-strata to high?
16:06.39CheadsFunkeh` thanks
16:06.53KautionTapeShouldn't it hide regardless of Strata? Although I'll check...
16:07.00Funkeh`KautionTape, It's not parented to uiparent
16:07.09Gnarfozyep.
16:07.16Gnarfozthat's the only thing that'll make that happen
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16:08.08KautionTapeOkay, Strata is Background. Funkeh: I thought that may be the problem. So is SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, ...) not enough?
16:08.25Funkeh`when you create it
16:08.30Xinhuanno, u need to :SetParent(UIParent)
16:08.36Funkeh`no
16:08.41Matrix110|Btw is there any Nameplate modifying AddOn besides: Aloft and Nameplate Modifier?
16:08.43Xinhuanor when you create it using CreateFrame(), your 2nd arg should be UIParent
16:08.51Xinhuanwhich does the same thing
16:08.52KautionTapeAlrighty, I'll do that. Thanks. ^_^
16:08.53Funkeh`createframe("frame", name, UIParent)
16:09.01Xinhuanwell 3rd arg, not 2nd
16:09.01GnarfozGAH
16:09.03Gnarfozblizzarddddddddd
16:09.11Xinhuanslaps Gnarfoz away with a large trout
16:09.16Gnarfozwhy is there a small square room in dalaran sewers
16:09.22Gnarfozwhich you can jump into but not get out
16:09.23Gnarfoz:X
16:09.25Gnarfozhaet
16:09.48Matrix110|its Ironforge Lag Pit #2 this time without exit
16:09.54Gnarfozbut I guess this is payback for me riding around Storm Peaks and Icecrown earlier :D
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16:10.01GnarfozI never had lag in IF :<
16:10.11cncfanaticshello ppl
16:10.14Gnarfozhi thar
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16:10.31StanzillaFisker-: engravings by tekkub imo
16:10.34Matrix110|well Gnarfoz lots of people have/had lag :P
16:10.40Gnarfoz;)
16:10.57Matrix110|When i first played with my Athlon 1700+ 512MB ram IF wasnt that great...
16:11.18Gnarfozlol
16:11.22Gnarfozpoor you :P
16:11.36Matrix110|Well i shortly upgrade after the release like 1month later
16:11.37Fisker-got a link handy Stanzilla ?
16:11.44Matrix110|and besides IF it was np playing
16:11.44Gnarfozfirst one was athlon 2500+ @ 3200+ with 768mb
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16:12.02StanzillaFisker-: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4858-Engravings.html
16:12.04Matrix110|but Gryphon into IF was awesome before the duel spot= 15sec lag then directly @Gryphon master :D
16:12.10Gnarfozyeah, the same, was on a a64 3500+ w/ 2gb shortly after
16:12.18Fisker-meh
16:12.21Fisker-i like it how it is
16:12.27Matrix110|a64 3500+ but only 1gb ram
16:12.31Matrix110|now q6600 4gb :D
16:12.38Fisker-it's not like i'm not afk reading websites while raiding
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16:22.00StanzillaFisker-: does engravings do what you want?
16:22.14Xinhuanhmm
16:22.25Xinhuanmy wow is stuck at "DOwnloading Update 0%" for wotlk
16:22.28Xinhuanis that normal?
16:22.35Gnarfozsure
16:22.38Gnarfoz...not
16:22.38fewynnope
16:22.45Gnarfozwhich build were you on before?
16:22.53Xinhuan8788
16:23.01Gnarfozthere is nothing newer?
16:23.06Xinhuanrunning the launcher doesn't help
16:23.14Xinhuanwhy can't i log in then
16:23.15Gnarfozblackhole the patchlist server
16:23.29Gnarfozor just comment it out
16:23.32Gnarfozfrom realmlist.wtf
16:24.11Xinhuano_O in fact when i clicked cancel
16:24.13Xinhuanwow crashes
16:24.46Xinhuanremoving the patchlist doesn't help
16:24.48Xinhuansame thing
16:27.12Fisker-Stanzilla nah
16:27.18Fisker-just gonna keep the itemlevel
16:27.24Fisker-drop information isn't that important to me
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16:27.56Fisker-thanks anyways :P
16:28.12fewynXinhuan: maybe there is a torrent somewhere?
16:28.29Xinhuantorrent?
16:28.32fewynyes
16:28.36Xinhuanwhat do u mean
16:28.36fewyntoooooorrent
16:29.55Fisker-how do i bittorrent?
16:30.30StanzillaFisker-: i use TooltipItemInfo by Ammo for itemlevel in tooltips
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16:30.38Xinhuani don't get what you mean fewyn
16:30.42Xinhuanwhat has torrents got to do with it
16:31.27Gnarfozhis wow mistakenly thinks there's a newer build - there isn't
16:31.47GnarfozI'd try blackholing the IP that is in realmlist.wtf for the patchlist
16:31.51Gnarfozor something
16:31.54Arrowmasterwhen was the last time you logged in Xinhuan?
16:31.59Xinhuanyesterday
16:32.00Gnarfozhe is at 8788
16:32.07Arrowmasterthere was a patch though
16:32.12Gnarfozno there wasn't after 8788
16:32.13Arrowmasterthat didnt increase the build number
16:32.24Gnarfozthere are no patches that don't increase the build number
16:32.26Gnarfozwtf :p
16:32.28Arrowmasteryes there was
16:32.31Xinhuanthat doesn't help
16:32.33Gnarfozno
16:32.34Xinhuanhow do i update
16:33.17Gnarfoztell me, how do you *change* something in the client, requiring a rebuild of the client, and NOT increase the build number?
16:33.28Gnarfozmaybe you were thinking of a hotfix or something (which is not client side to begin with)
16:33.35Stanzillalauncher "patches" don't increase versions numbers
16:33.38Arrowmasterbecasue all that changed was battle.net.dll
16:33.43Gnarfozthat's not wow
16:33.47Gnarfozyeah, what Stanzilla said
16:33.50Xinhuanu have a firewall blocking
16:33.50Arrowmasterit still required a patch
16:33.54Gnarfozno it doesn't
16:34.00Gnarfozbecause you don't have to start through the launcher
16:34.01Gnarfoz:p
16:34.02Stanzillalauncher auto-updates
16:34.12Arrowmasteri patched it yesterday
16:34.12jaxdahlit was hardly much of a patch anyway
16:34.14Xinhuanin this case, starting the launcher didn't update anything
16:34.20Arrowmasterit was not through the launcher
16:34.27Gnarfozdude
16:34.28Xinhuanand running wow.exe isn't letting me download the patch
16:34.29Arrowmasterit was an ingame patch
16:34.36Gnarfozdid you update *to* 8788, maybe?
16:34.36Gnarfoz:p
16:34.48Gnarfozfrom 8781
16:35.01Gnarfozor whatever the previous one was. they were pretty close together.
16:35.07Arrowmasterno
16:35.12Gnarfozgreat..., I'm stuck with a Violet Hold loading screen.
16:35.14Arrowmasteri was already at 8788
16:35.17Gnarfozthat instance is not even in yet
16:35.32Gnarfozbattle.net.dll is not part of wow proper, so whatever.
16:35.35jaxdahlheh, it should say right away 'that instance is not available in normal mode'
16:35.40Arrowmasterits part of WotLK proper
16:35.45Arrowmastersince its required to play
16:36.00GnarfozArrowmaster: whatever, I didn't have to patch for the last 3 days.
16:36.06Gnarfozjaxdahl: it did say that
16:36.07Gnarfoztwice
16:36.09Gnarfozdisconnected me
16:36.11Gnarfozlogged in
16:36.17Gnarfoznow I have the loading screen and can't log in
16:36.37Arrowmasterluckly i still had the BNUpdate.exe
16:36.43Arrowmasteri hope thats all thats needed
16:37.30Xinhuanhow does your exe help
16:37.44Arrowmasterit didnt?
16:37.50Xinhuanrunning it just says "Blizzard Updater was unable to startup. There is no patch file to apply.
16:37.52Xinhuan"
16:37.52Arrowmasterdamn the thing must have deleted the mpq then
16:38.14GnarfozI'm amazed by your knowledge of how the wow patcher works ;p
16:38.30Arrowmasteri know how it works
16:38.33GnarfozSCNR ^^
16:40.29Xinhuanhow do you know that was the only file that got updated?
16:40.49jaxdahlby checking timestamps
16:41.13Xinhuanthat dll did work
16:41.18Xinhuanand skips the downloading
16:41.40Arrowmasterbecause the patch said so
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16:41.52Xinhuanwhat does the update do
16:41.59Arrowmasterupdated battle.net.dll
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16:42.10Gnarfozfunny how I can log in without battle.net.dll ...
16:42.18ArrowmasterGnarfoz: to beta?
16:42.24Xinhuani know that i mean, what is the effect of updating that
16:42.25Gnarfozyes?
16:42.29Xinhuandoes it change some gameplay or ?
16:42.38Gnarfozbattle.net.dll is for battle.net I think ;>
16:42.41Arrowmasterno its not
16:42.47Gnarfozyou think?
16:42.50Arrowmastertheyve been messing with theyre stuff
16:42.59Gnarfozwhy else would they change wow logins to email addresses
16:43.14Arrowmasterthats only for the US beta i thought
16:43.15Gnarfozif they didn't intend to merge WoW with SC2's and D3's battle.net?
16:43.18Gnarfozyes, indeed.
16:43.25Gnarfozfor the beta
16:43.30Gnarfozand for retail, too
16:43.32Gnarfozwhen that comes
16:43.48GnarfozEU beta doesn't use "temporary blizzard accounts"
16:43.51ArrowmasterEU is still on account names afaik
16:44.00profalber1yep
16:44.01Gnarfozguess that's also why I don't need battle.net.dll
16:44.21Arrowmasteryeah its required for US
16:44.51Gnarfozgreat, so how do I get my pally out of an instance that doesn't even exist yet?
16:44.52Gnarfoz:\
16:45.14Arrowmasteri think theyre using the same auth server for eu and us beta and thats why they made us switch to emails and kept eu on account names
16:45.14KriLL3bubble hs
16:45.32Arrowmasterhopefully they dont keep the emails and still have account names
16:45.41Arrowmastersince emails are retarded
16:45.49Gnarfozthey already said what they'll do
16:45.51Gnarfozwhy guess? :p
16:46.02Gnarfozcome wotlk retail, wow logins will be switched over to email based
16:46.35Gnarfozwhile I have a reasonably vivid imagination, I'm quite certain I read that back when the first "wtf is a temporary blizzard account" threads popped up
16:47.08Groktari'd rather see them separate game logins and account logins
16:47.13Gnarfozand no, they're not using the same auth servers :\
16:47.24GnarfozGroktar: seems they're doing the opposite :\
16:47.43Groktarlogging in with our emails is the worst idea ever
16:47.44Groktar:/
16:47.49Arrowmasteragreed
16:48.04Groktaranyone who suggested a thing should be fired
16:48.45Arrowmasteremail needs to fucking die
16:49.59KriLL3I don't login with email =P
16:50.00Stanzillalol^^
16:50.29KriLL3also you can set it to remember the "account name"
16:50.45Arrowmasterwhich is just as bad
16:50.58KriLL3well you should have a strong password
16:51.04KriLL3omgpie! isn't
16:51.35Arrowmastersorry i dont want to give addons the possiblity to harvest my email and possible broadcast it to others
16:51.43Vonhintenyou better be kidding about switching logins to email as username
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16:59.05Matrix110|No the WOTLK client actutally says Email-Adress
16:59.37Kulaarits only email for the us beta
16:59.43Kulaareu is acc name
16:59.46Matrix110|ye I know
16:59.53Matrix110|but the Client says Email-Adress
16:59.58ckknightalso if you bought a blizzcon ticket
17:00.03cncfanaticsthats just because they simply cloned the US client :p
17:00.06ckknightbut that's a real blizzard account
17:00.06VonhintenI fucking hate it when they do that
17:00.24Matrix110|Can AddOns get the Accountname?
17:00.29Matrix110|always thought they cant
17:00.38VonhintenGotta remember 2 passwords for the same email address... and I always use sneakemail addresses which are strings of random letters and numbers
17:00.39Xinhuanthey can't, so its a moot point
17:00.45Vonhintenso I gotta look up the goddamn thing every login
17:01.18Matrix110|I read sometime that they can get the Accountname if you save it. True or not?
17:01.31Xinhuanit would be in the config.wtf file
17:01.37Xinhuanwhich addons can't access
17:01.42Xinhuanbut any .exe can
17:01.52Xinhuanbut if they want to know your account name they can already look in your WTF folder
17:01.56Xinhuanat the folder names
17:02.03Matrix110|Well .exes can goto wowdir/wtf/account/<accountname>/
17:02.06Matrix110|so that doesnt really matter
17:02.32CIA-4503Copystring * r80541 10YurrCombatLog/ (Config.lua Core.lua):
17:02.32CIA-45YurrCombatLog:
17:02.32CIA-45- added option to hide/show the QuickButtonFrame
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17:07.25ArrowmasterXinhuan: addons can access anything in config.wtf
17:08.21Xinhuani don't think the account name is included
17:08.24Xinhuancan u verify?
17:09.19Arrowmasterperty sure it is if you have it save your account name
17:09.43Xinhuancan u verify?
17:09.52Arrowmasternot recently
17:13.54silentiumthe cvar is named "accountName", what do you want me to type ingame?
17:14.19jaxdahlwell they changed it back to the old username deal anyway
17:14.36jaxdahlfor the folder names, that is
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17:16.08Arrowmastersilentium: /dump GetCVar("accountName")
17:17.01CIA-4503StingerSoft * r80542 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua:
17:17.01CIA-45Babble-2.2:
17:17.01CIA-45- fix/update ruRU
17:17.03silentiumyeah, that shows my account name
17:17.25jaxdahlwhat is /dump ?
17:17.50Arrowmasterfor printing out the results of a command
17:17.53Gnarfozpretty sugar for DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(stuff)
17:17.55Arrowmasternot part of default wow
17:19.12cladhaireTrell-: any results?
17:22.44Industrial=D http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.msg237299#msg237299
17:25.20CIA-4503Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate * r80543 10EasyDND/EasyDND.lua:
17:25.20CIA-45EasyDND:
17:25.20CIA-45-small fixe for wotlk
17:25.40Fisker-you should feel bad Industrial
17:30.38Industrialthats what she said
17:30.53Industrialbad industrial! *whip*
17:30.57Industrialanyway, Fisker-, why?
17:34.30Lyn__do i have to use a border file for edgeFile (SetBackdrop) or can I use also a plain background file?
17:34.55cladhaireit has to be an edgefile
17:34.57cladhairewhich is a specific format
17:35.15cladhaireyou can make your own
17:35.34Lyn__hm.. okay, thanks
17:36.14Lyn__cause i am "decorating" my minimap and somehow on first login ... the backdrop doesnt load... and then it looks shitty -.-
17:37.21Industrialit looks shitty cause you made it
17:37.26Lyn__no :(
17:37.32Industrial(joking, ofc)
17:37.38cladhaireIndustrial: troll harder kiddie :P
17:37.41Lyn__but somehow the backdrop doesnt load..
17:38.07IndustrialLyn__: it doesnt want to because its too ugly already. its rebelling against you
17:38.25Industrialcladhaire: like that :D?
17:38.26Lyn__go back to your cave and play with your troll friends :P
17:38.48Fisker-"Firefox has this random empty bar underneath the "Recently Bookmarked/Most Visited/etc" tabs"
17:38.52Fisker-FISKER_Q: remove it via the add/remove programs interface in the control panel
17:38.54Fisker-teehee
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17:43.38CIA-45- added ruRU localization (credit by ZeUsM & Albynos)
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17:57.19CIA-4503Copystring * r80545 10YurrCombatLog/ (Config.lua Core.lua):
17:57.19CIA-45YurrCombatLog:
17:57.19CIA-45- fix wrong anchoring after showing QuickButtonFrame
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18:13.35NivFreakwow
18:13.38NivFreakthis is a lot of XP to level
18:13.46NivFreakI've done 1.1mill, and I'm 50% to 71
18:14.49XuerianThey just doubled it P
18:14.51Xuerian:P*
18:15.36Gnarfozyep, takes ages now
18:16.49Gnarfozfirst they bump alpha chars to 75 and lock them, saying they'll unlock them "later on", which is, after a week of beta where no-one but people who already had a key via alpha (DUH!) could play... after another 3 weeks of beta, they double the amount of exp necessary from level to level
18:16.54Gnarfoz;D
18:18.09GroktarMessage length must be under 65,535 characters (currently: 1,179,359)
18:18.11Groktar:(
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18:25.01CIA-45Fortress:
18:25.01CIA-45- added ruRU
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18:28.49HjalteGood morning everyone
18:34.29DashkalMwrarf
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18:41.02ramozGnarfoz: how much XP you get at from the quest and mobs in the first zone?
18:42.06Trell-ramoz; about15-20k.
18:42.06Pneumatus20k per quest, roughly
18:42.15Trell-mobs about 1k
18:42.17Trell-ish
18:42.21NivFreak800 or so
18:42.22fewynyea
18:42.24NivFreak1600 with rested
18:42.26fewynthat's about right
18:42.26Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383510795&postId=53829774167&sid=1#2 <-wut? (keylogger btw)
18:42.30NivFreakdouble that in the nexus
18:42.50RaydenUniso what do i put in tameless breeches?
18:43.03RaydenUni+agi red gem, and a +sta/def yellow gem?
18:43.45Arrowmasterwow that xp per mob number seems too low
18:44.08Arrowmastersince you get about the same in hellfire as a lvl 60
18:45.31Ellipsisquests are usually 2k for "go talk to so and so", 20k for real work, 25k for later steps in quest chains, and 30 for chain ends with blue rewards
18:45.55Ellipsismobs are 800-1k without rested
18:46.32CIA-4503ascalia * r80547 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-LeatherWork.lua:
18:46.32CIA-45AckisRecipeList:
18:46.32CIA-45- fixed two Leatherworking recipes
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18:57.15Chosehlo
18:58.48Chosii must be one of a thousand ppl asking this, but is there a way to use wau to get wotlk addons or to let wau show the wotlk beta branches from svn?
19:00.13KriLL3doesn'
19:00.31KriLL3t most addons have trunk versions that work fine in wotlk?
19:00.41KriLL3and yes my ' and <enter> are too close...
19:01.08KriLL3I run pitbull, chinchilla etc fine copied from my BC install to my LK install
19:01.13Chosioh well
19:01.20Chosihaven't tried yet tbh
19:02.06KriLL3something is throwing errors each time I buff/mount/shapeshift though :<
19:02.19KriLL3and all my macros are broken...
19:03.18KriLL3my mounting macro especially, it used to aquatic form in water, travelform if I'm moving, in combat or in an area you can't fly, mount if I can't fly and standing still, fly if you can and you're standing still
19:03.33Chosimhm let's see
19:03.52KriLL3now it just throws an error since you can fly in northrend but not unless you've done something I dunno what, and for some reason it doesn't want to travelform anywhere
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19:04.46KriLL3love when something you've been using for years breaks utterly and you need like 4 bar slots to replace one keyboard button...
19:04.55Chosi:)
19:05.49KriLL3<PROTECTED>
19:05.52KriLL3the macro I use
19:06.07KriLL3I changed the mount but it still doesn't work
19:06.19Sakihttp://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25201/New%20Text%20Document.txt Can anyone help me make a group filter? I'm trying to get it to only show 1-5. This is the code I'm working with (assuming this is the piece needed)
19:07.10KriLL3wait that's the version I tried to enhance but ended up broken
19:07.50KriLL3bah the beta forum doesn't have an UI section :(
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19:08.56ulicyea it does, at least the US forums
19:09.03ulicUI & Macros Forum
19:09.04KriLL3EU one doesn't
19:09.08ulicoh, bummer
19:11.13Chosino working cartographer yet, right?
19:11.20fewyncart 3
19:11.21fewynworks
19:11.31fewynit's on curseforge
19:11.39Chosik thanks
19:15.10KemayoFisker-: I'm not bad.  ;_;
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19:32.53KriLL3anyone good with WOTLK macros? I need some help: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023724476&postId=90226931517&sid=2003#0
19:33.18CIA-4503StingerSoft * r80548 10LibBabble-Class-3.0/LibBabble-Class-3.0.lua:
19:33.18CIA-45LibBabble-Class-3.0
19:33.18CIA-45- update ruRU (Deathknight)
19:43.49Pneumatushttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023724453&sid=2003
19:43.57Pneumatusam i the only one reading that thinking he's never raided 25-man before
19:45.27Pneumatus5 healers, and 4 hunters
19:46.31Megalonand only 1 pala :x
19:47.10Pneumatusyou want at least 2, just for buffs
19:47.16Pneumatusmind you
19:47.20Pneumatusblessing of salvation is gone
19:47.25Pneumatusso 1 would probably do
19:47.32Pneumatusbut 2 would be nice for bok + bom./bow
19:47.51Megalonah yea
19:48.02Arrowmaster'BOk = MotW '? what?
19:48.23fewynblessing of kings?
19:48.27fewynequals mark of the wild?
19:48.28Pneumatushe wants like every buff not to stack with others
19:48.43fewynnoty
19:48.55fewynwould give less reasons to bring certain classes
19:48.59Pneumatusthe whole idea is failsauce anyway
19:49.13fewynyep
19:49.25fewyni don't mind things like VT being raid wide
19:49.30KriLL3the sauce that makes even epic BBQ fail?
19:49.30fewynor totems
19:49.42fewynbut buffs not stacking sounds lame
19:50.18KriLL3well the problem might be that you're forced to include at least one of each buffer
19:50.32KriLL3which isn't optimal for say 10 man raiding
19:50.47Pneumatusit makes no difference
19:51.10Pneumatuswhy have 1 of x OR 1 of y, when you can have 1 of x AND 1 of y
19:51.46Arrowmasterwhy the fuck does that guy suggest a tank group of 1 warrior and 4 hunters?
19:52.00Pneumatusas i said, i doubt hes ever seen 25man content
19:52.15Pneumatusthe day i see a 25 man raid with 4 hunters in is the day i /wrists
19:52.18KriLL3I went to the macro section of wowwiki for some help with my problem, the druid section mentions castsequence macros with claw... ;_;
19:52.48Arrowmasteryeah he hasnt
19:52.54Arrowmasterdemo lock wtf
19:53.06PneumatusFOR IMPROVED IM BUFF RITE?!
19:53.09Pneumatus*imp
19:53.24KriLL3do raiders setup cast sequence macros for their rotations and just hit the same button the whole raid?
19:53.33Arrowmastersame buttons
19:53.40Arrowmasterunless your a hunter
19:53.41KriLL3?
19:53.46KriLL3kk
19:53.57KriLL3aren't locks a one button class also?
19:54.00Pneumatusno idea about dps, i click unitframes
19:54.04Arrowmasterdestro locks yeah
19:54.12Arrowmasterbut thats because we only spam one spell
19:54.22KriLL3incinerate?
19:54.26Arrowmastershadowbolt
19:54.29KriLL3kk
19:54.29Pneumatusoh wait
19:54.33Pneumatuseven better
19:54.33Pneumatus1 arms warrior, OT
19:54.36PneumatusLULWHUT
19:55.16KriLL3bah, no one on beta forum know anything about macros it seems :(
19:57.19fewynso alliance side there is a barber shop in stormwind, are there anymore?
19:57.27Industrial~seen kandarz
19:57.31purlkandarz <n=chatzill@c-67-182-147-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 255d 6h 15m 35s ago, saying: 'that's quiet the payment'.
19:57.47KriLL3fewyn: where?
19:58.39fewyn?
19:58.44KriLL3where in sw
19:58.51Gnarfozbehind the AH
19:58.57KriLL3kk
19:58.59Gnarfozand there's supposed to be one in every capital
19:59.09fewynyes but are there any others?
19:59.29KriLL3give em time, takes time to setup a hair salon
19:59.48Trell-KriLL3; first hand experience talking?
19:59.53KriLL3nope
20:00.12fewynyes i'm asking because the one in stormwind won't let me actually see my face =p
20:00.17Trell-KriLL3; what is it you wanted to know about macros?
20:00.21KriLL3just from seeing signs in buildings saying they're making a hair salon there, and it takes a couple of months
20:00.28KriLL3trell: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023724476&postId=90226931517&sid=2003#0
20:00.53KriLL3basically my mount/travel/aquatic/flight macro doesn't work
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20:02.47Trell-no idea I'm afraid
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20:03.26GnarfozKriLL3: the [flyable] condition check doesn't know about the level 77 cold weather flying quest, yet.
20:03.43Gnarfozit thinks northrend is [flyable] (like it is, after you've done the quest)
20:03.54Gnarfozand for the crop: you don't
20:05.05Fisker-nymbia my friend
20:07.30nymbiayo
20:08.34Stanzillalicks nymbia
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20:12.38KriLL3Gnarfoz: what about the crop?
20:12.44Fisker-licks Stanzilla
20:12.47Gnarfozread?
20:12.49Gnarfoz"you don't"
20:12.55KriLL3?....
20:12.56Gnarfozit doesn't work anymore
20:13.05KriLL3intentional or not?
20:13.09Gnarfozand it never worked for warlocks, paladin mounts and druid forms
20:13.17GnarfozI dunno when you got your beta key, but it worked back then.
20:13.20KriLL3I was talking about my mount
20:13.25Gnarfozbecause back then, mounts were still items.
20:13.31KriLL3ah
20:13.33GnarfozI know perfectly well what you're talking about :)
20:13.43KriLL3then how do you do it?
20:13.49KriLL3or are you stuck at non improved speed?
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20:15.09Lyn__anyone "Lost" fan here? http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/mytoehurts_2006/ScreenShot_081508_214318.jpg haha
20:17.00ulicanyone on the US beta servers?  are they laggy?
20:18.09CIA-4503jakobud * r80549 10SalvationVeto/ (. SalvationVeto.lua SalvationVeto.toc):
20:18.09CIA-45SalvationVeto - initial commit
20:18.09CIA-45- Automatically removes Paladin Salvation buffs
20:18.23KriLL3ulic: wouldn't at all surprise me
20:18.40KriLL3the EU one is getting hammered except in the early morning, same as PTR basically
20:18.46ulicthe US live server I'm on is laggy as all get out.
20:19.52CIA-4503kemayo * r80550 10BankStack/ (9 files in 3 dirs):
20:19.52CIA-45BankStack:
20:19.52CIA-45-Redo config into the blizzard options with ac3
20:19.52CIA-45-Add a LDB launcher
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20:20.31GnarfozKriLL3: like I already said: you don't. yes, the item is worthless now. =D
20:20.46KriLL3yay...
20:21.02GnarfozI don't even think the "improved" mounts converted to "improved mount spells" for those who still could apply their carrot/crop/whatever to their mounts back when there were mounts
20:21.38CIA-4503kemayo * r80551 10BankStackFu/: BankStackFu: No longer needed.
20:23.00KriLL3I really hope blizz does something to explain the Dalaran situation, somewhere on wowwiki it said you can fly or walk there, so I foolishly set out on my mount, going up the glacier in the northern part of dragonblight, I came upon a big ass road named "the titan way" or something, and nearly went over the edge as it stopped in mid air on a crest over that crystal forest place (no mobs...
20:23.02KriLL3...there...) I made my way down the side of the mountainside in catform and then kept going towards I really hope blizz does something to explain the Dalaran, bellow it I found a rotating crystal, which said I had to use the one in the town first...
20:23.38KriLL3some kind of explanation in an early quest that you need level 74 and a quest from a guy or something would be nice...
20:24.43KriLL3wtf the sentence is jumbled together, I didn't write it that way, the linebreak the client added must have messed it up
20:25.22Gnarfozwhy is your client adding linebreaks
20:25.30Gnarfozand why can't you just follow the normal procedure
20:25.39KriLL3some networks got a max message length
20:25.41Gnarfozcrystalsong is not a level 70 zone
20:25.43Gnarfozright
20:25.46Gnarfozfreenode's is fucking HUGE
20:25.47nevcairielKriLL3: why would they need to explain that?
20:25.54Gnarfozanyway, as I said:
20:25.55KriLL3nevcairiel: it's confusing
20:26.00GnarfozCrystalsong is not a level 70 zone
20:26.03nevcairielnot like at the beginning of HFP it said "Shattrath that way"
20:26.07Gnarfozthere are no mobs there yet, though
20:26.08nevcairielit sends you there at soem quest
20:26.12Gnarfozyep.
20:26.13Chosiis there any alternate questlog working in wotlk?
20:26.15KriLL3no, but you could run to shattrath at 60 np
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20:26.19Gnarfozso?
20:26.21Gnarfozthis is not BC
20:26.27nevcairielI dont see the point
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20:26.32KriLL3Gnarfoz: well people most likely expect the same
20:26.35Gnarfoztoo bad?
20:26.37nevcairielsome quest will teleport you there once you reach 74
20:26.41KriLL3yeah
20:26.44Gnarfozwhen you turn 74, every Kirin'tor NPC will teleport you to Dalaran, giving you the quest to allow use of the crystal.
20:27.03Gnarfozand there's a kirin'tor NPC in nearly every quest camp you're likely to be when you're turning 74
20:27.28Gnarfozjust because you can run there atm, because the zone is unpopulated, doesn't mean it'll stay that way (hopefully ^^)
20:27.51CIA-4503jakobud * r80552 10SalvationVeto/:
20:27.52CIA-45SalvationVeto:
20:27.52CIA-45- Initial commit
20:28.19KriLL3Gnarfoz: the problem with that though is that everyone wants to go to Dalaran first when the expansion comes out, for profession training, teleporters, good HS location, flightpaths etc
20:28.40nevcairieltoo bad
20:28.48KriLL3so either blizz explains you can't go there until 74 or people will try to and get killed in that crystal forest, or whine at mages until they port em
20:28.58nevcairielnot like any quest would _ever_ tell you "hey, you need to be lvl 74 to go <someplace>"
20:29.02nevcairielquests never mention level
20:29.03nevcairielat all
20:29.08Fisker-good hs location =Vengeance Landing or Warsong Hold for horde
20:29.08nevcairielbecause its not in lore =P
20:29.13KriLL3well something like "get to know you better"
20:29.20KriLL3or similar
20:29.42Gnarfozfucking hand-guiding bullshit they did with BC :p
20:29.48KriLL3or "prove your willingness to contribute to the effort here"
20:29.49Fisker-good hs location = Vengeance Landing or Warsong Hold for horde
20:29.53Gnarfozyes, PLEASE DIE while trying to go to dalaran at L70, :D
20:30.18KriLL3I got to shattrath just fine in BC at 60
20:30.30Fisker-pretty easy actually
20:30.56KriLL3I think I'd be able to get under Dalaran when LK hits also at 70 just fine
20:31.10Gnarfozwell, they seem to think otherwise, duh.
20:31.11Gnarfoz:D
20:31.19Gnarfozunless they leave the zone unpopulated
20:31.23Fisker-it'll be harder than BC
20:31.24KriLL3I can stealth
20:31.42KriLL3and mobs aren't that close to roads usually
20:31.52KriLL3or can't at least catch you mounted
20:32.00nevcairielcrystalsong is 77-80
20:32.02Fisker-you'll have to go through a pass with level 76 mobs
20:32.03nevcairielits not terokkar
20:32.06Fisker-i believe
20:32.07KriLL3I'll just make a mage teleport me though
20:32.16nevcairielFisker-: the pass is easy, i managed that at 70 too =P
20:32.18KriLL3like everyone else..
20:32.20Fisker-anyways
20:32.29nevcairielKriLL3: i plan to be 74 when the first mages hit 74 too =P
20:32.31Fisker-excellent HS location = Warsong Hold or Vengeance Landing
20:32.40KriLL3nevcairiel: well you're crazy ;)
20:32.49KriLL3Fisker-: huh?
20:33.02Fisker-no need for HS in Dalaran
20:33.06Fisker-just moar money out of the window
20:33.42KriLL3I just find it a bit odd that the 2 70~ zones are at opposite sides of the continent and you can't fly between em unless you got all the paths in between
20:33.50Fisker-no
20:33.54Fisker-but you can turtle between them
20:33.57Fisker-TURTLE POWAR
20:33.58KriLL3true
20:34.04KriLL3or rather teleport atm =P
20:34.06Fisker-And that also gives you the FP's
20:34.28Fisker-But i'm going to do something like this:
20:34.33KriLL3are the 3 sea lion people village FPs enough?
20:34.34Fisker-Start in HF or BT
20:34.42Fisker-complete it, change to the other zone
20:34.46Fisker-then dragonblight
20:34.56Fisker-then grizzly, then zul'drak, then sholazaare
20:35.08Fisker-then i guess storm peaks and then ice crown
20:35.11fewyni read HF as Hellfire and BT as Black Temple and was confused for a few minutes
20:35.23KriLL3heh
20:35.34Fisker-it's actually nice with the "exp" buff
20:35.42KriLL3?
20:35.53Fisker-the 80% increase in exp required
20:36.02KriLL3?
20:36.12Fisker-Before the change i was level 76 and i weren't even halfway done with dragonblight (the third zone)
20:36.18fewynah
20:36.18fewynyea
20:36.26KriLL3you mean leveling is faster?
20:36.26fewynthey increased the amoung of xp needed to level
20:36.30Gnarfozit's slower.
20:36.32Gnarfozway sloer
20:36.33KriLL3oh
20:36.34Gnarfoz*slower
20:36.34Fisker-yeah
20:36.37fewynyou where level 77 by the time you hit the third zone
20:36.44Fisker-But it'll fit better with the zones now
20:36.48fewynit was a little too fast
20:36.52GnarfozI was 73 when I completed Dragonblight and I did maybe 4-5 instance runs.
20:36.55KriLL360-70 was quick, is 70-80 3x as long or something like that?
20:37.06fewynthey want it to be about as long i think
20:37.22KriLL3I did a ton of quests in the 2 70 zones and I wasn't even 1/4 of a level
20:37.24fewyn60-70 is a pain really, especially the last 3 levels or so... at least in my opinions
20:37.27nevcairielGnarfoz: iwas 73 when i completed howling fjords, you did something wrong
20:37.37nevcairielone instance
20:37.38Gnarfozerrr
20:37.42GnarfozI meant Borean Tundra.
20:38.16durcyn70 took something like two days without rested all told, if you didn't sleep
20:38.31durcyni was 71 in an hour in borean.
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20:40.16Fisker-55-77 took 72 hours on my dk
20:40.23KriLL3durcyn: prior to the nerf?
20:40.50JerleMinarafisker did you just go straight into HFP after the DK starting area?
20:41.18durcynKriLL3: yeah.  it needed to be cranked up.
20:41.28NivFreakman
20:41.36NivFreakthe "No Man's Land" Debuff is lame
20:41.53Fisker-JerleMinara nope
20:41.57NivFreakit should at least give you a couple seconds before it ports you to the other side of the continent...
20:42.02Fisker-were only level 57 after the area was done
20:42.10Fisker-anyways i r going to sleepzors
20:42.13nevcairielthey doubled the requirement for levels 70-80 now though
20:42.20nevcairielso slightly longer
20:42.23JerleMinarathat'll get reduced again
20:42.50NivFreakI'm at 1,236,556XP
20:42.54Arrowmasterit wont end up what it was before though
20:42.56NivFreakand only 54.7% to 71
20:42.57NivFreakhaah
20:42.59JerleMinarait'll end up half way in between
20:43.00Arrowmasterit might get reduced a little
20:43.04Chosidoes questFU work?
20:43.05Chosi:\
20:43.28KriLL3NivFreak: how do you get that debuff anyway?
20:43.41KriLL3going to zones that are utterly broken atm?
20:43.43durcynKriLL3: if you try to enter an unfinished zone, you get kicked out
20:43.44NivFreakplaying in zul'drak
20:43.47KriLL3kk
20:43.53NivFreakit's totally fine
20:44.00NivFreakbut apparently one side of the altar is a nono
20:44.09KriLL3I'm guessing it's not gonna be in retail? :)
20:44.12durcynsame debuff as you got in bc beta before BEM and such were finished
20:44.21ArrowmasterKriLL3: it is in retail
20:44.25KriLL3?
20:44.31NivFreaknorth of the altar of sseratus
20:44.41NivFreakzul'drak will be there of couse
20:44.44KriLL3how do I get ported in TBC?
20:44.46Arrowmasterif you attempt to goto the non instance hyjal you get the no mans land debuff now and ported out
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20:44.56KriLL3kk
20:45.15KriLL3you have to climb mountains etc to get there though right?
20:45.24Arrowmasteryeah
20:45.27KriLL3it's not something that happens unless you really try hard
20:45.36NivFreakthe only zones I haven't managed to get into at 70 are Icecrown, Storm Peaks, and Wintergrasp
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20:46.12KriLL3I nearly fell over the edge of the titan's highway when going into the crystal forest =P took the wrong way on top of the split glacier
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20:46.45nevcairielthats weird
20:46.47Daemonaanyone from the states here?
20:46.48KriLL3stood right past the edge like you do on the old boats to mount
20:46.49nevcairieli just walked straight in
20:46.56NivFreakDaemona: me
20:47.01NivFreakI still have no guild
20:47.09NivFreakI found someone from the wowi guild
20:47.10KriLL3well I came from the ruined alliance base what ever it's called
20:47.11Daemonacould you try reaching http://forums.roguespot.com/ for me? seems i get no route from germany
20:47.15NivFreakwho was nice enough to port me to daralan
20:47.23nevcairieli took the road through dragonblight
20:47.25nevcairielwas pretty easy
20:47.29KriLL3and the entrance to the road under the glacier faces south
20:47.47KriLL3you can't see it from the west
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20:53.36Daemonapokes NivFreak with a stick.
20:53.41KriLL3Is it just me or are the zones in Northrend huge? or is it just because I'm stuck at non crop mount speed?
20:54.00nevcairielthey are huge
20:54.09nevcairielthey said before, that the zones will be bigger :)
20:54.25nevcairielI did explore all zones on my 100% non-crop mount, and it took some time
20:54.29nevcairielwas still nice, though
20:54.39nevcairiel(all zones minus sholazar, didnt really get to that yet)
20:55.04nevcairielneed to unlock the map for mapster data :)
20:55.50KriLL3nice, WoW felt miniaturized, everything was condensed down, a mountain range looked like a series of hills, a town or village was 1/10 the size it should be etc, TBC increased the size of stuff a fair bit since fast flying mounts were the norm of travel, LK looks to take it to the next step, 1:1 feeling
20:56.27KriLL3I really hope LK adds faster flying mounts, say arena speed once (giving the people with arena mounts even faster versions ofc)
20:57.29Daemonadefinitly no
20:57.39Daemonathey said twice now, no new flight speed
20:57.45Daemonadue to engine limitations
20:57.52KriLL3I guess it's a bit warcrafty to represent huge areas on a small space, but man, it's epic feeling to go through HF, you feel tiny
20:58.01Daemona(e.g. too fast to see herb blips on the mini map)
20:58.09KriLL3Daemona: ah, the problem with NPCs, veins etc spawning behind you?
20:58.14KriLL3yeah
20:58.27KriLL3but the arena mounts aren't way too fast though right?
20:58.54KriLL3though it wouldn't be fair to the arena champs to have the same mount as everyone else
20:58.57nevcairielits only 30% more, but on veines etc you notice it
20:58.58Daemonathats what they are, a reward for faster mount speed, go get gladiator or open a QQ thread at the official forums if you want it
20:59.01nevcairielspecially with a pally
20:59.05KriLL3nevcairiel: pally?
20:59.13nevcairieltheir riding aura
20:59.15Daemonaflight speed aura
20:59.16nevcairiel20% more speed
20:59.17KriLL3oh
20:59.33KriLL3Daemona: I'm feral, I'll never get past 1600 =P
20:59.38KriLL3at least in BC
20:59.52Daemonaspec resto, grab a warrior and faceroll to gladi ...
21:00.04KriLL3specced all the way to top feral in LK and man it's fun
21:00.14KriLL3Daemona: you don't have a druid I guess
21:00.18Daemonai do
21:00.29Daemonaas well as a shadowpriest and a warlock alt
21:00.36Daemonai've seen it all
21:00.51KriLL3speccing resto isn't easy practically or psychologically
21:01.23KriLL3first you'll need to grind a whole new S2 set, then you have to say bye-bye to all fun aspects of wow, soloing dailies, etc
21:01.39Daemonaoh man stop it please....
21:02.12Daemonado i hear druid QQ there about being too tight on gold in times of 250g for roughly 1 hour of daily quests?
21:02.32KriLL3I got 5000g
21:02.57KriLL3and I got a full set of "giantique" bags
21:03.04Gnarfozso...
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21:03.10Gnarfozyou can respec whenever you want.
21:03.12KriLL3I like doing dailies :(
21:03.16Gnarfozor rather, only when you need to.
21:03.31Gnarfozanyway. Daemona where yo at, I've now got a pvp quest in my log :X
21:03.38KriLL3yeah but it takes time and money, and you need to redo your bars every time :(
21:03.43Gnarfozno you don't.
21:03.48GnarfozActionBarSaver ftw?
21:03.49Gnarfoz:D
21:03.51Gnarfoz+Talented
21:03.56Gnarfoz= 1min tops
21:04.00Gnarfozfor the whole shebang
21:04.00Daemonai didnt read bugfixes for the paladins in the patchnotes
21:04.03KriLL3are both on WAU?
21:04.06Daemonaso go wank in a corner ...
21:04.16KriLL3and does it work with BT?
21:04.47GnarfozDaemona: lol just messing with you ^^ ;)
21:05.08Daemonawe'll talk again once my combat 51 works
21:05.09GnarfozKriLL3: since BT uses blizzard's buttons, yes it does
21:05.16GnarfozI keep wanting to play my rogue
21:05.18Gnarfozbut...
21:05.31Daemonabut i guess rogues will be the last to get the review again
21:05.34Gnarfozonly thing I could do would be spec some weird tri-spec shit because nothing works
21:05.51Daemonadefinition of "nothing works" ?
21:05.58Gnarfozshadow dance? worthless in pve. combat ultimate? doesn't work
21:06.14KriLL3I've tried leveling my rogue but it's damn hard when you've been a feral druid since way before it was even viable =P
21:06.20XuerianGnarfoz: It's not worthless. You can break all the cc and have none of the aggro
21:06.23KriLL3you're used to druid abilities
21:06.29nevcairieloh stop the QQ about broken talens =P
21:06.33GnarfozXuerian: in solo pve when questing, how much does that help me :D
21:06.45XuerianWhen you get pvp ganked?
21:06.46Xuerianlol
21:06.47Gnarfoznevcairiel: I'm just saying why I'm preferring my pally right now =p
21:06.53GnarfozXuerian: uhm right, on a pve realm
21:06.57KriLL3I've managed to level other classes since you don't slip into the druid mentality, but rogue and warrior is too close to catform and bearform imo
21:07.01XuerianGnarfoz: phail
21:07.06XuerianWell, I am too, BUT ANYWAY
21:07.07GnarfozXuerian: fail blizz? Coldarra = PVE
21:07.18Gnarfoz(though I run around flagged anyway)
21:07.20Daemonawhich is the only europe beta realm
21:07.25KriLL3yes it's a carebear realm
21:07.44KriLL3hurts running past hordies and not being able to wtfpwn em
21:07.45Gnarfozand they keep adding new beta players. to a realm that's already unstable *g*
21:07.52nevcairielone realm only as pve makes sense
21:08.02nevcairielwhen i want to figure out whats broken with some quest, i dont want to be ganked
21:08.06KriLL3Gnarfoz: I don't see why they insist on doing that
21:08.16Gnarfoznevcairiel: yes
21:08.17Gnarfozbut
21:08.19KriLL3nevcairiel: agreed, but more than one realm would be smart imo...
21:08.21Daemonabeta = best time for hardware stresstesting
21:08.22Gnarfozwhy does the US get 3 and we get 1?
21:08.31nevcairielUS has 1, iirc
21:08.32nevcairieler
21:08.33nevcairiel2
21:08.34nevcairielnot 3
21:08.39KriLL3Daemona: stress testing with 5x normal pop isn't exactly useful
21:08.41GnarfozDaemona: I think they figured out by now that their shit doesn't scale well ;D
21:08.41Daemonahuge player base, no chance they QQ, cause they say, hey its beta
21:08.50PneumatusUS has 2, PvE and PvP
21:08.53KriLL3that's like stress testing he suspension of a car with a tank ontop
21:08.59Gnarfozlich king and northrend, wasn't there a 3rd one
21:09.06KriLL3*the
21:09.20XuerianDaemona: Sure, but PvP also needs to be balanced out - not just in set aside areas. If abilities are OP for ganking/camping, that needs to be balanced, for example
21:09.34KriLL3you don't get useful data from a smoking pile of rubble in the server room...
21:09.42Daemonayeah, let blizz balance pvp around the current state of the paladin
21:09.44Daemonaplease
21:09.57KriLL3Xuerian: no aspect of 1on1 pvp is balanced or even tries to be
21:10.13Gnarfozoh, right, btw
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21:10.17Gnarfozour BGs are disabled.
21:10.18Gnarfozlol
21:10.24KriLL3what class can't a rogue/druid kill if they get the first strike (which is almost 100% chance they do)
21:10.25XuerianKriLL3: No, it's not. But I mean, avoiding "iWin" buttons, even if "Easy win" buttons exist
21:10.34Daemonabrb heading outsight to see the moon get covered by the earth's shadow
21:10.40GnarfozDaemona: wut
21:10.45Gnarfozlunar eclipse, today?
21:10.51Daemona85% lunar eclipse
21:10.52nevcairielXuerian: no class is in any state where balancing is important just now
21:10.57Megalonnot a full one
21:11.04XuerianKriLL3: And rogues are getting worse with the multi-hit ability >_<
21:11.08Megalonbut it lasts form 23:10 to 00:45 CET i think
21:11.12Xueriannevcairiel: FIEN AH'M WRONG YE GITS
21:11.21Xuerianeats his icecream.
21:11.22KriLL3Xuerian: I think the current feral stuff is a bit iWin... beserk + infected wounds + tinger's fury = meatgrinder
21:11.37XuerianKriLL3: Shh, we're not overpowered
21:11.39Gnarfozpff
21:11.41KriLL3Xuerian: druids got that also in bearform, and 20+ % hp or something like that
21:11.45Gnarfoztalk about lolret
21:11.48Gnarfoz:p
21:11.54KriLL3Xuerian: sorry! :<
21:11.54nevcairiel30% during berserk, yea
21:12.07nevcairieland you hit multiple targets
21:12.12KriLL33
21:12.19nevcairielsweeping strikes + last stand in one ability
21:12.19nevcairiel:D
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21:12.36KriLL3helps when the stupid rogue/lock doesn't seem to understand what the skull mark means
21:12.52KriLL3swipe doesn't really compare to rogue/lock going full fps
21:13.00KriLL3even 1-2 lacerates doesn't help much
21:13.22nevcairielwell the few hits during berserk wont keep the aggro either
21:13.27Daemonahmm lunar eclipses are unspectacular...
21:13.42KriLL3nevcairiel: will long enough to bitchslap the rogue/lock ;)
21:13.57nevcairielisnt a hit in the face from the mob a good bitchslap?
21:14.00nevcairielI always thought so
21:14.04DaemonaKriLL3 haha, can you say undodgable Kidneyshot?
21:14.04KriLL3agreed
21:14.26KriLL3Daemona: berserk removes CC :)
21:14.47KriLL3I don't usually dodge it anyway
21:15.06XuerianYou wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
21:15.20Pneumatusi dont dodge them, i resist them
21:15.25KriLL3nevcairiel: I also like to ignore re-gaining aggro when a dps:er does something like that, but you need to be careful or the group thinks you're just stupid
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21:16.16nevcairielnah i usually get the aggro back when that happens
21:16.35nevcairielbut i usually tank with my warrior, my druid is mostly resto ;)
21:16.48KriLL3it's always a warlock or rogue it seems, and they always say "omg dps meter!?!?!?!?!" every few mins, or spam it in /p or /raid
21:17.22Gnarfozdo you wear "I'm with stupid -->" t-shirts?
21:17.31KriLL3nevcairiel: me2 but the tenth time the stupid DPS!?!!? guy starts hitting on the wrong target I let em die just to make it sink in
21:18.34nevcairielwe have a pretty common raid icon order in our guild, and usually all our members follow that
21:18.38KriLL3they complicate encounters way too much, if someone else say the healer gets one on em you need that taunt, you can't dedicate it to pulling mobs of the dps:er that doesn't follow the mark order
21:18.41nevcairieland i really dont pug much =P
21:18.47KriLL3I'm 99% pugs
21:19.07KriLL3skull -> cross -> non mark/shortest CC is the norm though
21:19.20KriLL3I sometimes update the skull mark even...
21:19.54nevcairielwe do star -> sun -> purple-thingy -> other icons :)
21:20.04Daemonao.O
21:20.07KriLL3the dps = e-peen crowd uses some addon (possibly a dps meter) that removes raidicons I think... ;)
21:20.07Gnarfozget a guild and stop failing with pugs, your realm sounds like it's infested with utter noobs
21:20.13KriLL3nevcairiel: you're weird
21:20.15Gnarfozyou can't remove raid icons
21:20.28Gnarfozand yes, we do skull > cross > rest, too
21:20.30KriLL3Gnarfoz: heard of sarcasm? :>
21:20.43nevcairielKriLL3: we just do the order from top to bottom in the drop-down menu
21:20.45Gnarfozyou heard of IRC? it doesn't support <sarcasm> tags yet
21:20.46Gnarfoz:D
21:20.49nevcairielevolved somewhere in Naxxramas
21:21.00KriLL3Gnarfoz: I was guilding back in the days of MC/BWL, got horribly burnt and don't want any part of it again
21:21.15KriLL3Gnarfoz: ";)" is a hint... :)
21:21.19Gnarfozdun care
21:21.25Gnarfozhorribly burnt by what, a guild?
21:21.29KriLL3yeah
21:21.34Gnarfozlol what kind of guild was that
21:21.34GnarfozxD
21:21.53KriLL3one led by 2x 16~ year old egocentric non-english speakers
21:22.02NivFreakhaha
21:22.06NivFreakdon't try to go to storm peaks
21:22.09NivFreakalso no man's land
21:22.16ZhinjioG'morning.
21:22.19NivFreakat least on foot
21:22.34KriLL3NivFreak: the terrain isn't even in yet?
21:22.42Gnarfozsure is.
21:22.49Gnarfozwas in even in alpha
21:23.03KriLL3crystal forest had objects and terrain but no npcs or mobs and it's not a no mans land
21:23.11KriLL3Gnarfoz: then why restrict it?
21:23.19Gnarfozbecause it's not finished regardless?
21:23.22KriLL3ah
21:23.26Gnarfoz>_>
21:23.37KriLL3the terrain etc is preliminary?
21:23.38Gnarfoz"the terrain isn't in" and "not finished" are 5 pairs of shoes apart
21:24.02Gnarfozanyway, I got a look around storm peaks and icecrown on beta, earlier xD
21:24.10KriLL3I didn't know they made each zone's terrain at a different stage of the dev cycle, I thought they fleshed out the zones at the start
21:24.38Gnarfozlots of untextured stuff, buildings etc
21:24.40KriLL3or does the terrain etc get shaped by the contents of the zone instead of the other way around?
21:24.50Gnarfozlots of rough "paintings" of paths, towns, lakes etc
21:25.05KriLL3etch a sketch? :D
21:25.10GnarfozI'd like to see their actual zone design tools some day
21:25.31KriLL3Gnarfoz: aren't they a bit like UE2/3?
21:25.39Gnarfozwho knows?
21:25.43Gnarfozwhy do you assume that
21:25.52KriLL3a terrainmap that you "paint" up or down, then add objects ontop of
21:25.55KriLL3makes sense
21:25.57Gnarfozwell
21:26.02Gnarfozduh, it's a map editor
21:26.04Gnarfoz:D
21:26.15Gnarfozit's probably not interesting anymore like 5 seconds after seeing it ;p
21:26.16KriLL3I think they hand code it all!
21:26.32KriLL3or use excel spreadsheets for the terrain
21:26.54Gnarfozafter my Drak'tharon Keep instance failed to let me back in after a client crash, I kept falling into the ocean when the Warlock summonend me... I swam to land (took ages) and there were no NPCs anywhere (guess I was kind of in the instance or whatever - never got a loading screen after the crash) and I didn't get No Man's Land buff :D
21:26.58KriLL3the columns/rows make up a grid and the # inside is the elevation...
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21:28.42KriLL3you will be able to fly over all of northrend in retail though right? or are there going to be "outdoor" instances like hyjal at icecrown etc that makes that impossible? how will they solve the going over the edge of the map problem? invisible walls like TBC? that wasn't glaring since you couldn't see anything when you left the map in TBC but in northrend you can see the sea bellow etc
21:29.42KriLL3would be cool if you could fly to Azeroth, but I guess that's impossible unless blizz got the time to re-do most of the zones in Azeroth... also there are a lot of unused space on the continents... bellow ungoro comes to mind
21:30.49Gnarfozentire northrend, outside instances are still instanced inside, so you're getting to see the overworld placeholder, if at all
21:31.08Gnarfozhow they'll handle the flight range is a good question ^^
21:31.20Gnarfozmaybe it'll be too cold over open seas and you'll freeze to death or something
21:31.41Gnarfozthey'll have to come up with something, anyway, it might be stupid :D
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21:32.38CIA-45Prat 3.0 (Dev):
21:32.38CIA-45Convert modules Font and Alias. Alias does not work, Font will probably only
21:32.38CIA-45work for live - wotlk will need a small change.
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21:34.54Daemonalet your mount get exhausted Gnarfoz ... dont be so over-complicated...
21:35.19Gnarfozhow's my idea even complicated, let alone over-complicated
21:35.20Gnarfoz:p
21:35.29Gnarfozit's basically fucking identical to what you suggest ;P
21:35.58Gnarfozanyway, blame KriLL3 for asking questions... questions never end well =D
21:36.36KriLL3=P
21:38.54KriLL3I wounder if you can fly over icecrown etc... will they make it indoors or have a bubble with an entrance etc?
21:39.16Daemonaoh man ... just let me alone, i am tired... worked 5:30am-10pm ...
21:39.19Daemonan8
21:39.25KriLL3=P
21:39.40Pneumatusi'd have thought you can just fly into icecrown and join in, as you can now
21:39.57Pneumatuso wait
21:40.13Pneumatusignore me
21:40.23Gnarfoz? right
21:41.07Gnarfozdoes anyone remember that quote about languages, that let english be the language that mugs other languages in dark alleys and searches their pockets for leftover grammar? ;D can't find it :(
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21:45.04Gnarfoz"English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar."
21:50.59kenlyricglad we could help
21:52.30Zhinjio~ugt
21:52.31purlhmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
21:57.31CIA-4503sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80554 10Prat/modules/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
21:57.31CIA-45Prat 3.0 (Dev):
21:57.31CIA-45All modules either converted or deprecated.
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21:59.39Odlawholy mother of god.. questhelper kills my framerate
22:00.30Chosiwhat does it do anyways?
22:00.33Chosinever heard of it
22:01.11Odlawit's kinda cool in that it does waypoints to show ya where objectives are etc.. does a traveling salesman type thing too.. which i'm sure is where most of my fps is going
22:02.05Odlawvery handy in that i don't have to go to wowhead or wowdb or whatever to lookup quest objectives.
22:02.22Odlawdoes a shortest path type system
22:03.40KriLL3It's the pathfinding bs that rapes fps though right?
22:03.53KriLL3you can turn that off I think
22:04.45Odlawwhat i should do is have it calculate it once.. remember my location of the last time it recalced.. and if i move a certain distance.. recalc
22:04.50Odlawbut not recalc all the time :)
22:05.01KriLL3it's really poor pathfinding anyway, doing it in your head is more efficient since it can't take into account quests you've yet to get or the next one in the series, I've had it quite literally try to make me run all over azeroth while leveling, doing it zone by zone is better
22:05.22Odlawhrm.. true
22:05.46Odlawbut i'm getting old.. i can't rmember all that shit in my head :)
22:06.02kenlyricthat's what tourguide is for
22:06.28KriLL3Odlaw: I can't remember specifics but I know the general outlines
22:07.37Arrowmasterugg slow ass laptop
22:09.17KriLL3wow doesn't seem to care what hardware you're running
22:09.26Odlaw4real
22:09.48KriLL3I got a Q6600 @ 3.2 and a 8800gts, 4GB of ram etc and fps dips into single digits when I enter most towns...
22:09.55Odlawyar
22:09.59KriLL3I'm guessing the engine has some limitations
22:10.00Odlawit's a beast
22:10.09Odlawi'm gonna uhm... check out tourguide
22:10.18Trell_KriLL3; I disagree
22:10.21Trell_im running similar to you
22:10.29KriLL3it only uses 2 cores though :( and it doesn't make my GPU heat up at all, most other games do
22:10.44Trell_Q6600 @ 2.4ghz, 9800GX2, 3gb ram
22:10.48KriLL3Trell_: it just feels bottle necked
22:10.54Trell_and I never hit single digits
22:10.55Trell_average about 70fps
22:10.57Trell_all full
22:11.05KriLL3not even for a split second as you teleport to shattrath etc?
22:11.18Trell_maybe 30 at the very least
22:11.20KriLL3I get steady 60fps 99% of the time but it dips at times
22:11.58KriLL3Trell_: and you think 30 fps on that hardware in a game that looks like it's 3-4 years old is ok?
22:12.09Odlawdoes tourguide also use cartographer way points? or just tomtom?
22:12.22KriLL3cart doesn't have waypoints anymore
22:12.28Odlawcart3?
22:12.32KriLL3yeah
22:12.32Odlawi havn't checked that out yet
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22:13.06Odlawthat's upsetting :(
22:13.20KriLL3well it does claim to have waypoints but they only show up on the map, not on the minimap and you can't use the arrow or make tomtom go there
22:13.38KriLL3NYI I guess
22:13.55KriLL3sucks not having notes on the minimap
22:14.02KriLL3I mark all vendors, teleporters etc
22:14.03Trell_KriLL3; it would only bother me if it was unplayable
22:14.06CIA-4503endeavour * r80555 10Endeavours_BuffMod/ (BuffBar.lua Endeavours_BuffMod.toc):
22:14.06CIA-45Endeavours_BuffMod:
22:14.07CIA-45- SetButtons() fix
22:14.11Trell_and since I have everything on high, it never worries me
22:14.21KriLL3I got everything maxed out
22:14.44Trell_although; when I had my crappy amd 3800, 1.5gb ram, and an old 8500gt, it annoyed me that I could get at most about 15fps
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22:14.50KriLL3just annoying to have near freeze everytime I go to shattrath
22:15.06Trell_KriLL3; I'd check your computer,
22:15.12KriLL3it's fine
22:15.16Trell_I don't see how you can have a near freeze in shatt
22:15.20KriLL3it runs UT3 and Crysis np
22:15.25Trell_like I said, I'm running exactly the same as you almost
22:15.31Trell_and never had that much fps drop in shatt
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22:15.57KriLL3low pop server?
22:15.58Trell_what resolution are you running?
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22:16.05KriLL31680x1050
22:16.08Trell_mmm
22:16.11Trell_1280x1024
22:16.22KriLL3I've tried 1024x768 no diff
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22:16.33Trell_tried dropping the multiplexing?
22:16.39Trell_*sampling
22:16.39KriLL3?
22:16.54KriLL3isn't that AA?
22:16.59Trell_yeah
22:17.02KriLL3yeah I have
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22:17.16KriLL3I've set everything to bare minimum and it doesn't help
22:17.36Trell_mmm thats weird
22:17.40Trell_I've got nothing then
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22:23.02CIA-4503ominous * r80556 10ClassTimer/ (embeds.xml options.lua): ClassTimer: Set svn:mime-type and svn:eol-style properties
22:23.15KemayoChosi: BetterQuest works.
22:23.30Chosigreat
22:23.37Chosican't login right now anyways
22:23.38Chosi:S
22:26.32Chosiha. back on
22:27.18Chosistupid game won't remember ui scale
22:28.00Trell_yeah Chosi; annoys me every time.
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22:42.24CIA-4503borlox * r80557 10Fortress/ (Options.lua locales/deDE.lua):
22:42.24CIA-45Fortress:
22:42.24CIA-45- added deDE locale
22:42.24CIA-45- options are now in the same order for each locale
22:42.49CamciYou have to be 70 to do the isle dailies? :p
22:44.27Trell_~fortress
22:45.58KemayoTrell_: It's a LibDataBroker display.
22:46.35Trell_yeah, I looked it up
22:47.10StanzillaKemayo: [2008/08/17 00:46:44-1956-x1]: BankStack-1\config.lua:222: attempt to index global 'acdia' (a nil value) after /bankstack
22:51.02CIA-4503sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80558 10Prat/ (modules/PlayerNames.lua services/chatsections.lua):
22:51.02CIA-45Prat 3.0 (Dev):
22:51.02CIA-45Updated the playernames module so that it registers its player group and
22:51.02CIA-45level fields, and thier associated separators, rather than having them in
22:51.02CIA-45the default table, and not having the separators broken out. This ultimately
22:51.03CIA-45allows arbitrary repositioning of these bits of text.
22:54.34CIA-4503kemayo * r80559 10BankStack/BankStack.toc: BankStack: LDB path was wrong in toc
22:54.56NivFreakso the one downside of using pitbull on wrath
22:54.58NivFreakis no threat meter
22:54.59NivFreak=/
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22:55.07selckinits not implemented fully yet
22:55.10selckinserver side
22:55.25NivFreakthey have something on the default frames I'm told?
22:55.38NivFreakAll I can see is the SCT warnings
22:55.44NivFreakwhich is usually too late with TG
22:56.31CIA-4503kemayo * r80560 10BankStack/config.lua: BankStack: Fix aceconfigdialog ref in slashcommand
22:56.31selckinyea, as i understand it, client only get notified when you pass 100% or so at the moment
22:56.40Vangualthe iondicator on the defaultframes uses the same rough steps that the sct warnings do
22:56.42selckinor a few builds ago anyway, maybe they fixed it
22:56.49KemayoStanzilla: That should be better now.
22:59.15KemayoStanzilla: The new config screen needs work -- right now it's just a straight port of the old one, and I should be doing things a bit differently to take advantage of the new format.
22:59.57GngskKemayo, just got back from vacation and noticed the new work on BankStack. Looks nice, keep up the good work!
23:07.00CIA-4503borlox * r80561 10Broker_Clock/ (. Broker_Clock.lua Broker_Clock.toc):
23:07.00CIA-45Broker_Clock:
23:07.00CIA-45- removed AceTimer-3.0 dependency
23:07.00CIA-45- added .type = "data source"
23:07.00CIA-45- added show-seconds toggle (click on the plugin)
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23:08.15KemayoGngsk: thanks. :D
23:08.29StanzillaKemayo: okay :)
23:08.43RaydenUnido you guys think TN bosses should be relatively easy for TN+1 groups?
23:09.11ckknightdown with Tennessee!
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23:09.43RaydenUniTN being T4, T5, etc
23:09.54ckknighthehe
23:10.19selckinRaydenUni: that mostly depends on if people actually did those bosses or not, unless your dps/tanks make something about the encounter trivial
23:10.24RaydenUnicause mag doesn't really get any easier
23:10.26KemayoRaydenUni: Depends on the boss.  If it's a straight dps race, then yes.  If it's a more complex coordination fight, then it won't necessarily make much of a difference.
23:10.33IxnorpRaydenUni: yea, within reason.
23:10.39selckinRaydenUni: like gruul with t6 does no dmg at all, and dies before his normal difficulty increase
23:10.54RaydenUnisomething lik Moroes scales well
23:10.56KemayoI mean, it's always going to be a bit easier, because you'll be harder to kill and doing more damage.
23:11.03RaydenUnibut Mag scales terribly
23:11.05selckinmag does get easier
23:11.13selckinthe faster you kill the adds the better
23:11.13Ixnorpit also depends on the severity and locality of the reprecussions for fucking up.  (is the entire raid going to be hit for 5k when bob stands in the wrong place?  SWEET)
23:11.20RaydenUnibut all that really matters is the cube
23:11.20selckinand its a very long fight so mana can be a problem
23:11.23RaydenUnis
23:11.30KemayoMags gets easier because you have to do less cube clicking.
23:12.01erikhmmm
23:12.07erikhlovin that cube clickin'
23:12.16RaydenUniwith greater gear it seems like you should get more flexibility and more room for error
23:12.17selckinthere is no reason to kill mag tho
23:12.19selckinever
23:12.21Trell_pug'ing maggy is always fun
23:12.24RaydenUnimost fights are that way
23:12.28Trell_selckin; the bag and head!
23:12.30Trell_\0/
23:12.33RaydenUnibut Mag, if you don't click, wipe, regardless of gear
23:12.43selckinRaydenUni: mag is hard because ppl that supposed to click cubes can die, adn then it gets messy, better gear makes it harder to die :p
23:12.44RaydenUnii could use the T4 chest piece, the ring
23:12.47Ixnorpthat's not true
23:12.49KemayoEye of Magtheridon is an awesome paladin tanking trinket. :D
23:12.55IxnorpBLast Nova hits for a total of 10k damage
23:13.02Ixnorpit can be healed through
23:13.22VonhintenBut at least when you wipe on mag it's a 1 min return to him
23:13.22Ixnorpa t6 raid can just eat it and live
23:13.22Vonhintenwiping on a hyjal boss fucking sucks
23:13.29Ixnorp^ this
23:13.38KemayoThis is cute: http://sheepbreaker.blogspot.com/2008/08/tanks-make-lousy-boyfriends.html
23:13.45Trell_Vonhinten; I find that its only wiping on Azgalor that pisses me off
23:14.05Vonhintenwiping on any of them strains people's patience
23:14.10IxnorpI dunno.  Wiping on Rage would make me furious but for entirely different reasons. =P
23:14.19selckinwe did that once
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23:15.10IxnorpI don't think I've ever wiped on Rage.
23:15.41selckinomg, how does stargate atlantis continue to suck more every new episode
23:15.55selckinthey have to be really trying to keep failing like this
23:17.29Trell_psst..Psych is the king of TV shows.
23:17.30fewynhttp://users.skynet.be/fa018426/Georgia.jpg
23:18.12selckinlol
23:22.15Vonhintenlol@jessica b
23:23.06Vonhinteneven rednecks have internet in this glorious nation... there's something to be said for that!
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23:27.40KriLL3doesn't the US have the same internet penetration as a third world country?
23:30.56JerleMinarapitbull MT/MA stuff works with ora2 right?
23:31.48Lukian<PROTECTED>
23:33.44Stanzillait works with both
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23:34.14Stanzillabut you need pitbull+ora2 for the ora2 mt frames to work
23:34.20Trell_wow straight into beta, first time thats happened for a while
23:37.18cncfanaticshmmmm
23:37.21cncfanaticsvashj with a pug
23:37.23JerleMinaraok, now how the heck do I get the damn main tank window to load? :P
23:37.25cncfanaticsI wonder how this'll go
23:38.23Trell_~seen Elkano
23:38.27purlelkano <i=Elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 2d 10h 29m 32s ago, saying: 'ok, thanks :)'.
23:38.28JerleMinaraStan: i've got the pitbull unit loaded and an MT set in ora2, but it's not showing. any suggestions?
23:38.48Trell_anyone using Elkano's Buffbars on beta?
23:39.40EllipsisJerleMinara: check jira?
23:40.17EllipsisI know some people said ctra support died, maybe ora has broken something too
23:41.01Ellipsisit should work if either: you have oRA and the tank is set through oRA, or you do NOT have oRA and the tank is set through the Blizz MT system
23:41.47JerleMinarahm yeah not having any luck.. had oRA MTs set and didn't see 'em
23:42.11Ellipsisdo the frames show when you go into raid config mode?
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23:45.02JerleMinarayes
23:45.06JerleMinarabut not in regular mode
23:46.27CIA-4503sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80562 10Prat/:
23:46.27CIA-45Prat 3.0 (Dev):
23:46.27CIA-45Link tortoise and fisheye.
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23:49.38[Liquidor]YES !
23:50.23[Liquidor]Hmm could someone ping me or type my nick here please? Thanks.
23:52.49Stanzilla[Liquidor]: yo
23:53.07[Liquidor]Thanks

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