IRC log for #wowace on 20080825

00:00.08Adirellenight
00:03.46alstertos.. :/ which idiot would make glaives poisongreen, i got that shit all day on my back
00:04.05noctsI'll be helping him violate the ToS.
00:04.25Arrowmasterhave fun getting baned then
00:04.27Ellipsisthul: needs moar kittens
00:04.42noctsCosmetic changes are shrugged off by Blizzard and undetectable due to their nature.
00:04.53Arrowmasterno they are 100% detectable
00:05.02Arrowmasterwarden spots them instantly
00:05.19noctsNo, they don't. Do you know how warden works revolving around .MPQ file patch packageS?
00:05.33Wobinblindfold and a dartboard?
00:05.59noctsThey are 99% detectable, the 1% being a public screenshot directly to Blizzard. In which many cases they still don't care (see Druids of Azeroth patch recommended by blues) until it breaks fairness of game design and playability.
00:06.25Arrowmasterit does break fairness of game design and playability
00:06.26noctsSince nothing is loaded into memory and in his case only a texture file is changed, Warden doesn't even flinch. The data's identical according to the way warden views it.
00:06.32WobinDruids of Azeroth?
00:06.38Wobinoh is that the reskinning of forms?
00:06.40noctsWhen changing color of a weapon makes someone win WSG, I'll worry.
00:06.43noctsWobin: Yup :)
00:06.53WobinWe so need that official
00:07.28noctsThey're already working with the author of it for wrath and malestrom.
00:07.35Arrowmasterexcept they just detect if you have modified the mpqs and not exactly what you have modified
00:07.36noctsEspecially on the hitbox fix.
00:07.55noctsArrowmaster: If it's loaded as a patch-x.MPQ warden drops it unless there is a specificly defined NEW model call.
00:08.11noctsDefault named textures and model files, even map files, remain off warden's list because if passes name verification.
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00:08.37noctsIt's like looking at a carlot full of blue cars and asking someone to make sure all the cars are blue.
00:08.41Arrowmastermodifing models is banable though
00:08.51noctsAccording to the ToS, correct.
00:08.56Ellipsisso is packet sniffing
00:08.56Arrowmasterno
00:09.05Wobinrecalls the fireplace-portalsteps
00:09.07noctsAccording to how Blizzard actually handles them, cosemtic changes are discouraged but not banned.
00:09.11Arrowmasterits an exploit and is bannable and does get people baned, not just by the tos
00:09.15noctsCosmetic, not gameplay.
00:10.14Wobins/fireplace/campfire/
00:10.19[SW]DodgeArrowmaster: just dont care if he do it or not, you told him that it is against the TOS and if he does the changes it is his problem if he get banned. not your problem :)
00:10.40noctsPeople even post cosmetic-only change movies in the official forums, and as long as it's only cosmetic blizzard almost always looks the other way.
00:11.03noctsBitch, moan, and show it off and then they shut the singular person down because they don't want it spreading like wildfire for more than just cosmetic changes.
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00:11.33noctsReplacing a campfire with stairs is detectable and bannable because it changes how you're character moves within the confinements of the game.
00:11.40noctsChanging the color of a weapon, does not.
00:12.15Arrowmasterthey dont do server side movement detection
00:12.23noctsYes :P They really do.
00:12.43noctsBounds checking happens automagically for a lot of zones flagged for that sort of recording.
00:13.01noctsAnd in the example of the campfire, it's moreso the players reporting that you're floating in midair.
00:13.21noctsThey can't see the color change, they can't report it. They can see the character floating but not the stairs, they can report it.
00:13.54Arrowmasterthey report it, blizz checks their logs and sees that the mpqs were modified and drops the ban hammer
00:14.18noctsCorrect, for a model edit beyond something cosmetics.
00:14.47noctsAnd Blizzard can't remote check MPQ alterations since the client, by default, loads the patch-x.MPQs as valid data. It'll show up with the same name as the file in the origonal .MPQ. That's how patches work.
00:15.23noctsBut a warglaive edit, like what he's talking about... it's the same name being used as the real patch, and warden treats the same name no different than a realm patch, and since not a single other person can see the modification... no one is the wiser until he starts bragging.
00:15.53nymbiaseems like a simple checksum would block all that
00:16.15Arrowmasterand a simple 'oh look theres this mpq file here that shouldnt exist'
00:16.18noctsSeems like it, correct. But md5 hashes aren't something warden handles.
00:16.28noctsArrowmaster: Correct, IF warden was meant to check patch levels.
00:16.32noctsIt isn't.
00:17.51noctsnymbia: I've always wondered why they don't handle md5 hashes, but to be fair think about their repair tool.
00:18.03noctsThey could be banning people left and right for bad md5's just because of a virus or client corruption.
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00:18.12nymbiatrue enough
00:18.39Pneumatusinvalid md5s at best would only warrant a flag
00:18.43nymbiabut they wouldnt need to drop bans if they just automatically repaired hash fails
00:19.07Arrowmasteryeah flag for later investigation if a report is filed
00:19.19Ellipsisso they're going to log every corrupted file of every account ever?
00:19.21noctsThat's a LOT of work for a singular account.
00:19.22Pneumatusthe repair tool should use par2 or something though, it sucks at present
00:19.36noctsSomething you could do with a playerbase of less than 100k players, perhaps.
00:19.38Pneumatusnothing saying you have to keep the flag indefinatly though
00:19.41noctsNot a couple million.
00:19.53Matrix110many other MMORPGs check file hashes every once in a while
00:20.02Arrowmasteror that you have to flag each file, just the fact that there was
00:20.08Pneumatusand logging on a client with a fixed md5 could just unflag you
00:20.25Pneumatusso you run up a corrupted client and get flagged, then repair and it gets unflagged.
00:20.27Pneumatuseznp
00:21.07noctsPneumatus: True, but honestly if that flags someone who's model editing or breaking an MPQ otherwise, that's a heads up for them already.
00:21.13noctsThey get away scott free.
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00:22.23noctsThe current texture for texture model for model replacements use a clever loophole right now. There is a quick way to stop it, but it's never going to happen.
00:22.31noctsDo a hash check of each individual file in the MPQs and patch files.
00:22.43noctsHowever, extracting+checking 5 gigs of data is CPU/memory intensive.
00:22.44Pneumatushowever, im sure warden has more important things to worry about than changes to mpqs, like locking down bots
00:22.49nocts^
00:23.10noctsDo you honestly see blizzard allowing warden to chew up CPU/RAM of billions of customers, old and new comps, just to stop model editing?
00:23.20Matrix110like Warden does anything against bots :P
00:23.24noctshehe
00:23.32noctsEasy to circumvent, but I suppose better than nothing.
00:23.34Ellipsismpq changes are really not a "problem" unless they cause gameplay issues e.g. campfire stairs or invisible terrain...at which point players are capable of reporting the exploiting character
00:23.41nocts^^^^^^^^^^^^^\
00:24.26Matrix110Using Ragnaros as a Herbmodel is quite unfair I would say :P
00:24.50noctsAgreed. Or the old WSG trick of having the flag replaced with a largely scaled mailbox or tower.
00:24.52Matrix110Some guy did that with Black Lotus pre TBC... he dominated the market till he got banned
00:24.53Matrix110:D
00:24.53Pneumatusin that vain though, you're saying that changing a node to a massive model isnt unfair, as only you can see it
00:25.14noctsBut it creates an unfair advantage to some when you can spot them 300 yards away.
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00:25.43Ellipsisif people notice the character is sprinting directly to the next herb from 200 yards without having to look around, they can report it
00:25.44noctsGenerally that's undetectable too, unless you're actually caught with a screenshot or....
00:25.53noctsWell, they caught a few with people using the narru light from shatt.
00:25.54Matrix110Ellipsis no
00:26.06noctsWatching someone always go 300 yards down right on top of something was suspicious every single time.
00:26.07Matrix110With Routes I would walk the same line for example
00:26.08Ellipsisthey can't?
00:26.14PneumatusEllipsis: you'd never be able to qualify that in a GM ticket
00:26.17Ellipsisyou'd also stop at nodes that weren't spawned
00:26.33Matrix110Ellipsis Iam not observing people for several minutes
00:26.37Wobinbut how would you know that they're not?
00:26.37Matrix110its ridiculous
00:26.38Ellipsisthen QQ moar
00:26.50Pkekyo|Premiere Pro down in 10 minutes o.O' sweet
00:26.58noctsThe model change for nodes is particularly difficult. It changes more than cosemetic but it's hard to report.
00:27.03Ellipsisif you think someone's exploiting, do something about it
00:27.08Ellipsisif not, what's the problem
00:27.19Matrix110I cant do anything about it
00:27.23Matrix110only Blizzard can
00:27.30Ellipsisyou can point it out to blizzard.
00:27.32nocts^
00:27.42Matrix110Like several hundred people did already
00:27.43Ellipsisthus, doing your part to get the person investigated
00:27.46WobinBlizzard eh?
00:27.48noctsIt also requires people caring.
00:27.52Pneumatusregardless though, changing textures is against the TOS,
00:27.55Pneumatusfor that very reason
00:27.57WobinHelp me, Snowbione, you're my only hope!
00:28.04EllipsisPneumatus: so are a lot of things they don't do shit about
00:28.10noctsStill, changing textures or not and ToS or not... doesn't mean Blizzard cares.
00:28.20Ellipsise.g. packet sniffing, installing the beta client on multiple computers, ...
00:28.29noctsSharing the beta account.
00:28.52Pneumatuswith infinite resources im sure they would care :)
00:28.57Ellipsisexactly
00:29.06Ellipsisthey don't have time to care that someone wants their sword to be pink
00:29.16noctsThings like: http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot072608023415si2.jpg
00:29.24noctsReplacing a netherwing egg with murmur.
00:29.35noctsObviously more than a cosmetic change, but how do you report that from a third person?
00:29.35erikhhah
00:29.39noctsHow do you -even know-?
00:29.47erikhplus, who benefits?
00:30.10noctsWell, that's the fine grey line to me. When the model actually changes benefits in-game.
00:30.14noctsAside from cosmetics.
00:30.17erikhi could understand if someone replaced the arena doors with transparent/nil models
00:30.22erikhthat would be exploitative
00:30.30noctsIf I want to be a baby panda model running around, that's great. I don't change my interaction though.
00:30.33erikhbut that murmur replacement is just amusing
00:30.45noctsAgreed, it's really only self-benefiting, but it's one step closer to risk.
00:30.46Arrowmasternocts: yes you do
00:30.48Ellipsisnot to someone who's competing for those eggs, erikh :P
00:30.55noctsArrowmaster: And how do I change my interaction?
00:30.58Arrowmasterchanging your own model effects clipping detection
00:30.59erikheh, i guess
00:31.05Pneumatuswell thats why model changes have been blanket banned though, as they can't differentiate without eating monster amounts of cpu/ram to check every model on every load
00:31.14Arrowmastermeaning if you make yourself smaller then you can go through places you normally cant
00:31.20noctsOh, fun :)
00:31.34noctsCase in point, comsmetic changes versus non.
00:31.37Arrowmasterany model change is an exploit nomatter how you might think its not
00:31.38noctsBeing too small would break that.
00:31.42erikhmost FPSes can manage it
00:31.46Ellipsistexture changes are cosmetic, model changes do change functionality
00:31.47noctsArrowmaster: A bit limited on your train of logic, I see.
00:31.59noctsHow does giving someone on here black warglaives give him an advantage?
00:32.00Ellipsisnot necessarily in a game-breaking way, but they do
00:32.02Arrowmasternocts: i said model not texture
00:32.10Pneumatuschanging your model to somethign smaller does affect your interaction, as gnomes for example can LoS mobs on low walls which larger players cant
00:32.13noctsIf he changes it with a candy cane, how is t hat giving him an advantage?
00:32.21noctsPneumatus: I can agree on player models, sounds good.
00:32.40noctsThere's still a line between cosmetic and advantageous edits.
00:32.41Pneumatusmaybe they should draw up a list of protected models, that you can never replace :P
00:32.51Ellipsisor character models in general, mobs/npcs/players included :P
00:32.51noctsThey'd crack it client side :/ ala diablo 2
00:33.05Matrix110well
00:33.13Matrix110people that want to exploit it will always do it
00:33.15erikhthat's a solvable problem
00:33.16Ellipsisthen you'd also have to add interactable world objects (e.g. nodes)
00:33.17noctsBut if he wants to recolor his glaives and then turn them into swinging baby pandas instead... where's the advantage?
00:33.23Arrowmasterany model change can be exploited
00:33.26Ellipsisand collidable/los-collidable models like walls
00:33.29noctsExplain mine then, Arrow.
00:33.33Wobinwe need sword-chucks
00:33.36noctsYou've my full attention. I even shut my music off.
00:33.50erikhoh boy
00:33.56Arrowmasterweapon and armor models are used elsewhere than just on players
00:33.56erikhline up the targets, it's time for a pissing match!
00:33.59erikhdisappears
00:34.06noctsArrowmaster: Go on, I'm eagerly waiting.
00:34.11EllipsisArrowmaster: but is there any case in which they affect play?
00:34.19Pneumatusok
00:34.20Pneumatusive got one
00:34.29Pneumatussay you change the model of warglaives to murmur
00:34.33noctsLOL
00:34.39nocts:D That's hawt
00:34.41Pneumatusyou can suddenly see rogues in battlegrounds from the other side of the instance
00:34.42Gnarfozactually, most of the time, the actual texture used on the player lootable items is different and not used by NPCs :X
00:35.03noctsPneumatus: Very true.
00:35.08noctsBut I didn't say murmur :)
00:35.10GnarfozPneumatus: you're btw not supposed to invent new shit but rather explain how black warglaives give an advantage to someone :X
00:35.14noctsHe said -ever- edit can be taken advantage of.
00:35.16kenlyricbah, zomg buffs isn't buffing party pets. I wonder if it only does for group buffs.
00:35.18Matrix110Afaik there are exploitable models that cant get invisible/stealthed btw
00:35.22noctsIf the model is similar size and color, where's the advantage?
00:35.27Pneumatusany change you make to _your_ glaives will also change the model you'll see on other people with the same weapons
00:35.32noctsHow is going from an arena weapon to a Cruel Barb an advantage?
00:35.40Arrowmasterif they are found as objects in the world like some generic weapons and armor you can change them to the same effect as the campfire example
00:35.41noctsOr should he say "Some models changes can give advantages"
00:36.07noctsThat's something I'd agree on.
00:36.08Gnarfozin general, people will generalize. :p
00:36.13noctsThey fail :P
00:36.31EllipsisGnarfoz: I see your "most of the time" and raise you http://i33.tinypic.com/nbyb05.jpg
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00:36.40noctsEllipsis:  o.o
00:36.45noctsThe hell is that?
00:36.52Arrowmasterits true that its a generalization but any model change can be an exploit just because of the different effects model changes cause
00:36.58GnarfozEllipsis: check
00:36.58noctsThat's all I wanted to hear.
00:37.03noctsThat it was a generalization. Thank you.
00:37.17CIA-47engravings: 03Tekkub 07master * r7ca92e9 10/ Engravings.toc : Updating TOC to 30000 - http://is.gd/1SDL
00:37.21CIA-47engravings: 03Tekkub 07master * r1a07c13 10/ changelog.txt : Update changelog for 3.0.1.5-Release - http://is.gd/1SDM
00:37.26CIA-47engravings: 03Tekkub 07master * re9fe8da 10/ (Engravings.toc README.textile): Weekly build 3.0.1.5-Release - http://is.gd/1SDN
00:37.30Mytoshow much does cold weather riding cost in beta so i have an idea of how much to squirrel away for my characters
00:37.30CIA-47engravings: 03Tekkub 07master * rddec7b0 10/ : Merge commit '3.0.1.5-Release' - http://is.gd/1SDO
00:37.34Gnarfoz1SDN :X
00:37.39Arrowmasterand there are far more models that changing them would 100% be an exploit than there are models that changing them would not be an exploit
00:37.39JerleMinara0 gold
00:37.44EllipsisMytos: it's a quest
00:37.44GnarfozMytos: it's a quest, it's free
00:37.46Wobin5psk
00:37.50noctsBut it still remains that it isn't all of them.
00:37.50JerleMinaraactually
00:37.52JerleMinarait's like -20g
00:37.55JerleMinaracause you make money on the quest
00:37.55JerleMinarai think
00:38.00Gnarfoz;D indeed
00:38.01MytosREALLY?
00:38.01Wobinbut I'll give you two cats for 10
00:38.05Matrix110It doesnt matter if some changes dont give you an advantage, model changing is a easy way to exploit so it shouldnt be possible and result in bans
00:38.06noctsIn fact, I doubt there are as many non-cosmetic changes are there are cosmetic.
00:38.06Pneumatuschanging the model of anything could always be exploitable, surely we're agreed on that
00:38.13Mytosyou mean blizzards not gonna pricegouge us?
00:38.19noctsCould always, yes, but not always.
00:38.21WobinThey do that with First Aid
00:38.21noctsI mean, next time I replace my non-combat pet with a different one, I'll know for sure I'm not changing functionality.
00:38.32EllipsisI'm going to go out on a limb and say weapon models don't affect gameplay outside of the cosmetic-change-for-human-benefit argument (big shiny thing is easier to see)
00:38.40noctsFrom Spirit of Competition to Baby panda isn't going to let me hit rogues from across AV.
00:38.46noctsUnless...
00:38.48Pneumatusunless you change your pet to a massive ragnaross, which can be seen from miles away
00:38.53noctsBut that's my point.
00:38.57Ellipsiswhat benefit does that give, Pneumatus?
00:38.57noctsI didn't change it to ragnaross.
00:38.59noctsI changed it to a panda.
00:39.08GnarfozEllipsis: none - that being his point
00:39.11Ellipsisif he makes his baby panda rangaros, all it does is get in his way :P
00:39.12noctsIt's half and half, dependant upon change itself.
00:39.17Wobinbut wouldn't it make it only seen on your client?
00:39.22noctsCorrect.
00:39.27Mytosso is it required for us to have bc epic before getting cold weather?
00:39.28Wobinoh, if the rogue has a panda out
00:39.36Pneumatusbut if anyone else had the same pet out, they would also have a ragnaros next to them
00:39.39Matrix110yes Mytos
00:39.55Wobinwhat sort of sneaky rogue puts a noncombat pet out while stealthed?
00:39.55noctsBut the case in point is that you're only making examples of things that would have more than a cosmetic change.
00:40.02noctsWobin: All the twink rogues I see
00:40.09Ellipsisrogues r dumb kthx
00:40.12Arrowmasterdetecting that something is different than its suppost to be is easyer than detecting exactly what it is after its been changed though
00:40.13nocts"OMGZ MECHANICAL SQURIL OUT2 GET U"
00:40.15GnarfozEllipsis: durrrrrrr.
00:40.20PneumatusArrowmaster: exactly
00:40.31noctsArrowmaster: How is anyone going to change detection of a warglaive's color?
00:40.34Ellipsispets Gnarfoz and wipes the drool off his face with a towel
00:40.36ArrowmasterWobin: warpeltinger
00:40.41Gnarfozwolpertinger.
00:40.45noctsSeriously. What change is there in swapping a cruel barb with a warglaive?
00:40.47Gnarfoz;p
00:40.49noctsIt's cosmetic.
00:41.07noctsA cruel barb with a stormwind tower? Not cosmetic.
00:41.11Gnarfozalso, anyone got any idea which addon it is that makes my client freeze up for about a second... but only when I die?
00:41.12noctsYou can't play just one side of the card.
00:41.47EllipsisGnarfoz: iirc recount (used to?) run gc on death, anything like that running?
00:41.50Pneumatusso, maybe we should report everyone, just incase they have changed textures
00:41.59nocts^ I like this idea
00:42.06Ellipsisreported
00:42.16noctsSome texture changes are gorgeous, Wobin: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/CatPreviewBothRaces.jpg
00:42.18Pneumatus"Dear GM, I think that XXX may have changed the model of my helm to Ragnaross so he can see me better. Please investigate!"
00:42.24noctsA preview of one part of that Druids of Azeroth mod.
00:42.27noctsDamnit WOBIN
00:42.28GnarfozEllipsis: that one for example, but why would recount *run* GC? :X (not to mention that I didn't have this problem like, a month ago? :()
00:42.31Matrix110cosmetic model changes are not allowed so discussing about this is useless, its like talking about Pirating Games and stuff there is 1 side that say its bad 1 side says its good and nobody will change is perspective
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00:43.30noctsMatrix110: It's the difference between what is allowed, and what is tolerated. Blizzard tolerates cosmetic changes.
00:43.30EllipsisGnarfoz: because it generates so much garbage that it has an option (enabled by default) to gc it at "safe" times
00:43.30Matrix110Blizzard does not tolerate cosmetic changes
00:43.30GnarfozI'll go looking for that option.
00:43.30Gnarfozalso, it's not *garbage* :p
00:43.30Pneumatusthose catform reskins are terrible, they would make tauren druids actually look half decent
00:43.30noctsMatrix110: They do it quite a bit.
00:43.30Pneumatusrather than their horrible excuse for a skin at present
00:43.34Ellipsisblizzard tolerates a lot of things that they don't technically *allow*
00:43.35noctsWobster: Some texture changes are gorgeoushttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/CatPreviewBothRaces.jpg
00:43.47noctshttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/NightelfSwiftFlightPreview.jpg As well.
00:43.51Matrix110No they just dont do enough against them, we had several people banned for model changing on the server
00:44.02noctsMatrix110: For cosmetic or game affecting?
00:44.06Matrix110both
00:44.12Arrowmasterthey dont 'tolerate' them as much as they dont actively seek to ban people for using them, but they sure as hell will use them as an excuse to ban somebody if they need to
00:44.17noctsI've been doing model editing for three years and never once a single ban.
00:44.28noctsArrowmaster: IF they can find out that the person is doing it.
00:44.33Matrix110somebody changing his T0 to T3 and got banned for it
00:44.35Wobsternocts, I agree
00:44.37noctsWhich they can't unless that person screenshots and brags.
00:44.38Matrix110*changed
00:44.45WobsterI'd personally love to have those models
00:44.57Wobsterthe standard druid forms are so boring now =\
00:45.02noctsEven then, people like albis have posted their own videos on the official forums using model edits. Blizzard let's them slide.
00:45.09noctsCosmetic gets a LOT of leeway.
00:45.12Matrix110Afaik GMs got a function to "screenshot" what your client sees
00:45.15[SW]Dodgewrite a gm ticket and ask one of them! :P
00:45.22noctsdoesn't count.
00:45.27noctsYou'll get their scripted, required response.
00:45.28GnarfozMatrix110: lol? they don't.
00:45.31noctsToS == Normal action taken
00:45.34[SW]Dodgei bet they can tell u what s about cosmetic changes
00:45.42GnarfozMatrix110: this is not PunkBuster of old ;>
00:45.43EllipsisArrowmaster: they'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to ban people, or have no excuse. they have that right as per your beloved TOS.
00:45.48Mytosive seen links to adrige's model edits for druid right on the offical druid forums and blizz did nothing, they dont care if its cosmetic
00:45.54nocts^ Exactly.
00:46.07Matrix110Gnarfoz Iam not sure how it works its not a real screenshot :P
00:46.12Gnarfozuhm
00:46.13Gnarfozeither it's real
00:46.15Gnarfozor it isn't
00:46.17ArrowmasterEllipsis: exactly, the internet is not a free access area
00:46.26EllipsisArrowmaster: so you're always in danger of getting banned
00:46.29Gnarfozif it isn't... how the hell does it qualify as "what I see"
00:46.30noctsThey've rarely banned purely cosmetic changes, and only because those people pushed publicity to the point of model editing becoming too mainstream and more of the mods being game-affecting than just cosmetic.
00:46.35Ellipsisblizz has a history of looking the other way on cosmetic-only changes
00:46.41Matrix110Well some GM said they can see how you see the Game even with all model changes
00:46.51Ellipsisand if you aren't using them as exploits or showing off screenshots, they won't even now
00:46.52noctsScare tactic :P
00:46.52Ellipsisknow*
00:46.54Ellipsisso, who cares?
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00:47.02noctsThat's not even possible, proven by running it in Linux.
00:47.04Gnarfoz(I ran around with full T2 when the new models for it were finally patched in. no one cared.)
00:47.25GnarfozMatrix110: as nocts said: pure BS.
00:47.30EllipsisMatrix110: source or it didn't happen
00:47.36Matrix110We had people banned for it Gnarfoz they used T3 models :P
00:47.41noctsAnd?
00:47.45noctsI bet they posted and bragged.
00:47.49Matrix110dunno
00:47.58noctsIt's a danger to the cosmetic community when people do that. It only encourages "OMG WE CAN DHCNAGE AND DO BETTER"
00:47.59Matrix110they just got a 3day ban and accoutn wanring stuff
00:48.04Ellipsisif you don't know what you're talking about it's best not to bring it up in a serious discussion :)
00:48.05noctsVersus people who just want to see something different.
00:48.08Gnarfozthat's not even a ban
00:48.10Wobsterwe can ... what?
00:48.10Gnarfozit's a supsension
00:48.13Gnarfoz*suspension
00:48.30Ellipsisdhcnage, Wobster
00:48.32Ellipsishaven't you ever done it?
00:48.34Wobsteroh.
00:48.38noctsUsing my door/invisible wall/gate mod for instance - bannable. Detectable because it's a misplacement of normal server-side events.
00:48.39Wobsternot in mixed companyu
00:48.44noctsUsing a color change?
00:48.49noctsAs long as you cum, blizzard approves.
00:48.57Ellipsis...
00:49.07noctsWait, wrong window. Sorry.
00:49.15GnarfozEllipsis sure don't mind. :P
00:49.16noctsUsing a color change? Cosmetic, and Blizzard generally looks the other way.
00:49.53Ellipsisyes, it's an "excuse" for them to ban you...and so is the fact that you have an account in the first place
00:50.08Ellipsisit's a game of chances, and chances are you won't be banned just like chances are you won't be hit by a bus tomorrow
00:50.11noctsAnother good "excuse" is logging on from multiple IPs at different times.
00:50.33Gnarfozuhm people log in from different IPs *every day*
00:50.41Gnarfozever heard of ISPs using dynamic IPs :p
00:50.48Ellipsisyes, but if blizz wants to ban you they can say it looks like you're sharing your account
00:50.51nocts:P As in one day in china, the next in the USA.
00:50.51Mytosits written right into the TOS that they can ban you at any time for any reason they deem, even if its not listed in the TOS so this whole argument is moot
00:50.57[SW]DodgeGnarfoz:  dynamic ip yes but the ip location does not change
00:50.59Gnarfozyou'd have to b e from somewhere else, i.e. geo-location
00:51.00noctsIt's moreso just evidence and excuse than anything else.
00:51.07Ellipsisor just from a different isp
00:51.10Gnarfoz[SW]Dodge: IPs don't have a location -per se-
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00:51.18noctsMytos: They banned an entire guild because of flaunting gay rights, didn't they?
00:51.20Ellipsispeople do it legitimately all the time (ever take your laptop from work/school to home?)
00:51.32Ellipsisthat doesn't mean blizz can't turn around and say it *appears* to be evidence of account sharing
00:51.33Matrix110geo-location doesnt work that well sometimes though :P
00:51.37noctsNo, I'm crippled and lonely. Thanks for reminding me of my missing life, Ellipsis
00:51.38GnarfozMatrix110: indeed
00:51.45Arrowmasterif you are constantly getting booted from the game because somebody on another ip is trying to login its a major flag to account sharing
00:51.46Ellipsisalways happy to help nocts
00:51.49Gnarfoznocts: www.sadtrombone.com :p
00:51.58noctsArrowmaster: Or...... the sudden change in IP is buying your way to 70.
00:52.06noctsFlags aren't just sent up from account collision.
00:52.34Arrowmasterguild member got a warning once about it
00:52.35noctsGnarfoz: hahahahahahahahahahaha
00:52.42Gnarfoznocts: awesome, isn't it ;p
00:52.58noctsI just had to favorite it.
00:52.59noctslol
00:53.08Ellipsisthat could come in handy
00:53.29Arrowmasterbut many people did know his account info but didnt level characters on his account quickly but instead used characters on his account to level their own alts quickly
00:53.42noctsAnd as a side note, there are many mods I make that actually benefit me in ways I think Blizzard should have allowed anyway.
00:53.47[SW]Dodgeto bad that i dont have a activ wow acc, i would go ingame and write a ticket and ask a gm about it :)
00:54.07noctsI know of two off the top of my head that I use because it's a feature blizzard should have supported.
00:54.20noctshttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/CatHitBoxFixPreview.jpg  - Fixing the druid hitbox
00:54.48noctshttp://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot070908035100rn0.jpg - viewing all LFG queues, rather than level-limited ones
00:55.24Arrowmasterhows that one pulled off?
00:55.28Ellipsisdbc edit
00:55.42Arrowmasterah makes sense
00:55.45noctsArrowmaster: I removed the level limitations in the DBC.
00:55.54noctsYou can't queue for them, but you can view them.
00:56.03Arrowmasterlol
00:56.04CIA-4703ulic 07wotlk * r80912 10LittleWigs/LittleWigs_WotLK/ (7 files in 2 dirs): LittleWigs: Added Azjol-Nerub bosses, only Krik'thir is mostly complete.
00:56.06noctsQueuing is still handled server-side, as are the summoning stnoes.
00:56.23noctsNow when I farm SM:Cath, I can see if someone needs help.
00:56.30Pneumatusviewing them is all you need anyway
00:56.41noctsMinor things, but still... I mod more heavily to give me the client functionality than personal advantage.
00:56.47Matrix110people actually USE LFG?
00:56.49Pneumatusand i agree, that should be in the default interface
00:57.12Pneumatusat level 77 on beta not being able to see the utagarde/nexus queues was a pain in the arse
00:57.18nocts-nods-
00:57.50Ellipsisit should be an option, default off, imo
00:57.50noctsIt's a minor, minor thing, I know.
00:57.53noctsBut the little things count.
00:57.53Pneumatusyet, the levels are fucked for some of the level 70 instances, as they are still visible at 77
00:57.59Ellipsisbecause noobs still need that hint to what they're supposed to be doing
00:58.11noctsWell, notice in that mod I also added level ranges.
00:58.19noctsHand-added them to every raid, instance, and group.
00:58.26noctsThat's all blizzard had to do.
00:58.37noctsAnd those are the actual queuable levels.
00:58.37Ellipsisstill, a level 10 character seeing everything up to magister's terrace is information overload to no benefit
00:58.52noctsTrue. An option would be best. But an option should have happened by now anyway, imo,.
00:58.56Pneumatusyou can see the likes of steamvaults and shattered halls at 77, but cant see nexus/utgarde, because the summoning stones levels
00:58.58EllipsisI'm not saying it shouldn't be *allowed*, just default off
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00:59.58Pneumatusplus, i like to check out the group composition through the lfg window before i join them also
01:00.01[SW]Dodgeyea would be cool if your are on an low-lvl-alt but want to check if there is someone lookcing  for a L70 instance
01:00.27Pneumatusthere should be an option to show instances lower than you, but theres not really any benefit in seeing instances higher than you
01:00.37Pneumatustheir bottom-end cap is pretty low anyway
01:01.27Pneumatusif your're below the bottom level cap, your basically asking for a boost, not a group, and your never gonna land a hit on any of the mobs anyway
01:01.31[SW]DodgePneumatus: there is a benefit, i hate it to play my lowies and not being able to check if someone is searching for people for an instance my mainchar need
01:01.38Ellipsisthe only real reason I can see for the higher level instances is what [SW]Dodge is talking about, alts
01:01.50Pneumatushmm, thats true
01:01.52Ellipsisbut really, if you're too lazy to log onto your main unless a preformed group lands in your lap...
01:02.11Pneumatusbut then you just highlight LFG text when the instance your looking for is mentioned
01:02.58Pneumatusyou could of course argue you could do the same for lower instances, but in general endgame instances are mentioned a lot more than lower instances
01:03.00Gnarfozhow do I easily test if a button was right-clicked from a macro /script?
01:03.46[SW]Dodgei'll got sleep now :) good night all :)
01:03.47Pneumatusi guess you cant [button:2]?
01:04.03Gnarfozno, because that's not addon code, it's macro conditionals
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01:08.26laggerwhen you mouseover a unit does gametooltip add the lines before it calls onupdate
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01:25.09steevanyone know a good diffing program for windows?
01:25.18CIA-4703parnic * r80913 10IceHUD/modules/TargetInfo.lua:
01:25.19CIA-47IceHUD:
01:25.19CIA-47- fixed buff/debuff cooldown display on TargetInfo module in wrath
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01:32.34Arrowmastersteev: windiff
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01:32.45CIA-47- Updated Spanish translation.
01:32.45CIA-47- Added Simplified Chinese translation.
01:32.45Arrowmastersteev: err, winmerge
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01:41.16steevwill that let me do directories?
01:41.50Arrowmasteryes
01:42.00Arrowmasteri even use it to diff zips
01:42.13steevawesome
01:42.38Droolioi also recommend beyond compare
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01:42.40steevit can tell the differences in graphics as well? not what the differences are, just that they are
01:42.51Arrowmasteryeah
01:43.16steevnice
01:43.31Arrowmasterbeyond compare isnt free though
01:43.56Droolioaye but it is quite good
01:44.16Droolionext version will have three-way compare
01:45.33steevi just wanted to see what the differences are between the version of pitbull i have and the others
01:45.40steevthe latest more specifically
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01:45.45Gnarfozyay auto-starting raidwide timer bars as soon as I use Distract.
01:45.49Painehowdy there
01:45.59PaineI'm new, just bought wow today
01:46.06steevthis ui compilation says "blah blah blah i modified some of the addons but i don't know what ones"
01:46.25steevand i know pitbull is one of em, but i wanna use pitbull quickhealth so i wanted a quick glance to see the diffs
01:46.28steevthanks Arrowmaster
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01:54.39JerleMinarasteev: could use kdiff3
01:54.41JerleMinarawhich is free
01:54.50steevJerleMinara: winmerge is free too :)
01:55.03steevif i were in linux i'd just diff it myself there
01:55.08steevi considered it as well
01:55.10JerleMinaraah
01:55.11steevbut meh
01:55.11JerleMinaraserves me right
01:55.14JerleMinarai caught half the convo
01:55.16JerleMinarajust saw beyondcompare
01:55.53selckinwhats a good combatlog addon these days?
01:55.57selckinto make it purdy
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02:02.20Groktarlol, so we're doing some bt tonight
02:02.36Groktari never got invited, and i didn't want to speak up
02:02.46Groktarapparently the RL *thought* he invited me
02:03.04Groktari guess i was supposed to be healing deadly poison
02:03.54Pkekyo|was it blizzard that merged with activision?
02:03.56selckinwhy don't i remember deadly posion, what instance has that
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02:05.25Groktarbt, i just said
02:05.43Groktarthe rogue does deadly poison and then envenom when he stealths
02:08.53WobinPkekyo|, essentially Vivendi
02:09.00Wobinbut Blizzard as a part of that
02:09.09Arrowmastersteev: fyi be careful, i just realized my version of winmerge was very old so i went to update it, and im fairly certain the installer i got has a trojan
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02:18.41HP_Administratorhello ?
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02:19.26Silent_Killer01hi
02:30.21Arrowmasterffs i swear sourceforge used to list file hashes to verify downloads but now i cant find it on this new design
02:32.45selckini hate their new design :\
02:32.52selckinbut at least it deosn't seem to be stupid slow anymore
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02:39.41Painedamn, those tauren rogues are sneaky.
02:41.01KriLL3So sneaky I've yet to see one
02:41.02Pkekyo|yes, yes we are
02:41.13Painehehehe.
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02:51.09Wobstercrai
02:51.14WobsterI want a tauren rogue
02:51.19WobsterSNEAKSNEAKSNEAK
02:51.57WobsterI would paint my hooves red, and stealth upside down in a field of strawberries
02:53.45JaxxMaxxRed wunz go faster!
02:53.58noctsWobster: The strange thing is, they have the animation already
02:54.10JaxxMaxxUnf!
02:54.15JaxxMaxxthat would be very sweet.
02:54.30JaxxMaxxStunlock builds + warstomp
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03:01.14Pkekyo|nocts: what animation?
03:01.29Wobsterstealth
03:01.56Pkekyo|suruslee?
03:02.05Pkekyo|GIEF TUAREN ROGG NAO!
03:10.02WobsterI'm upset that mace stun will be removed from rogue hammer spec
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04:01.23steevArrowmaster: well, the google site said it was okay, and norton didn't pick anything up with it so i seem to be safe
04:01.39steevand
04:01.44steevEPIC FAIL on High King
04:01.48steevnot one misdirect
04:01.58steevso all five went to the mage
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04:05.06Leptusany one know about rupture_tourney? where is it hosted?
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05:03.47steevepicer fail
05:03.57steevi pulled aggro on gruul
05:04.11steevalso, high king dropped the priest/warrior/druid token... only
05:04.23steevand the fail helm that is mail
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05:32.54Ackis5100/6000 friendly ravenholdt wheee
05:35.11steevwow
05:35.16steevyou're actually grinding their rep?
05:35.41Ackisyup
05:35.46Ellipsiswell when all you have to choose between is that or being productive... :P
05:36.03steevgrind winterspring frostsaber rep?
05:36.12Ackishorde
05:36.18steevoh
05:36.22steevuh
05:36.30Ellipsisdire maul.
05:36.31steevi'd say grind tranquillien
05:36.43steevbut you do like 5 quests for them and are exalted
05:36.46Ackisexalted with them both :P
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05:37.00Ackisonly ones I"m not exalted w/ are darkmoon faire and ravenholdt
05:37.02steevi did that on my be rogue
05:37.17steevthat was a *sweet* level 18 cloak
05:37.27steevalliance at 18 gets some shitty shield
05:37.49steevoh, you are enhancement shaman? here, have shield
05:38.01steevoh, you're a rogue, here have a shield
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05:46.47JaxxMaxx__usually it's "Oh, you're a rogue?  Here, have some leather with DIRTY DRUID STATS ON IT"
05:49.00KaaosaDirty druids
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07:11.51Zhinjioconsecutive commands in a macro are separated by what? semi-colon?
07:11.54Zhinjioanything?
07:12.16nevcairielnew line
07:12.20Zhinjioor just the next line. ok
07:12.46Zhinjiofor a ranked spell, like, say aimed shot, how do specify rank?
07:13.04Zhinjiolike... /cast Aimed Shot(rank 7) ??
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07:14.14nevcairieli think so
07:14.27nevcairielif you want the max-rank
07:14.30nevcairieljust dont mention any
07:16.43Zhinjiorbaby ... one moment
07:17.36ag`http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/x_girls_y_cups.png
07:19.42noctshttp://www.dailybabyanimals.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/baby-pig.jpg
07:20.14Ellipsisno, we are not getting a baby pig.
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07:20.20Ellipsiskittens or gtfo
07:20.21noctsbut hun :(
07:20.33noctsThey look the same when they are ripped out of mama's vagina.
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07:28.25CIA-4703mukha521 * r80924 10Capping_ru/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
07:28.25CIA-47Capping_ru: Initial upload.
07:28.25CIA-47- Fully works with ruRU locale at all BGs
07:28.25CIA-47- Custom labels for AV and AB timers
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07:32.38[Ammo]I'm to lazy to do a proper translation so I fork the addon
07:32.44[Ammo]ruRU the new koKR
07:33.54nevcairielshould just delete that again
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07:35.05KalrothI knew it, Ammo is a slacker
07:35.22[Ammo]deletion is probably best
07:35.34Ellipsisand public humiliation
07:35.36Ellipsisthat'll do the trick
07:35.58CIA-4703nevcairiel * r80925 10Capping_ru/: Don't fork a addon just to add translations. Contact the author about getting your translations integrated, or just supply the locale file yourself.
07:36.25Kalrothnev is such a meanie
07:36.57KalrothIf that russian had any balls, he'd reply with "fork you!"
07:37.43nevcairielthat would be the last reply though
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07:38.01Ellipsisforks Kalroth
07:38.06Kalroth./shy
07:38.13Ellipsis/wink
07:38.20pb_ee1_/hello
07:38.23Kalrothnevcairiel: It'd be worth it, though!
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08:01.27CIA-4703mukha521 * r80926 10Capping_ru/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
08:01.27CIA-47Capping_ru: Initial commit.
08:01.27CIA-47- Fully works with ruRU locale at all BGs
08:01.27CIA-47- Custom labels for AV and AB timers
08:01.54nevcairiellol
08:02.05nevcairiel[Ammo] you want this time?
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08:03.14CIA-4703arrowmaster * r80927 10Capping_ru/: Capping_ru: deleted, commit it again and I'll make sure you get banned
08:03.26Arrowmasterwins!
08:03.37CIA-4703mukha521 * r80928 10Capping_ru/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
08:03.37CIA-47Capping_ru: Initial commit.
08:03.37CIA-47- Fully works with ruRU locale at all BGs
08:03.37CIA-47- Custom labels for AV and AB timers
08:03.44CrazyBennylol
08:03.46nevcairielArrowmaster: owned =P
08:04.17ThraeDamn those commies.
08:06.07CIA-4703mukha521 * r80929 10Capping_ru/:
08:06.07CIA-47Capping_ru:
08:06.08CIA-47- Properties fix
08:06.08CIA-47- Externals
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08:06.19Xinhuanwahaha, clash of the egos ;p
08:06.30CIA-4703arrowmaster * r80930 10Capping_ru/: Capping_ru: deleted
08:09.25nevcairielI wonder if he even noticed what was going on
08:09.27nevcairielprobably not
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08:14.06Ellipsiswatch, you're going to see a thread go up on wowace (in horrible english) about how the svn is clearly broken and commits aren't sticking
08:14.50Xinhuanbtw Arrowmaster, it was explained before a RU version needs to be made
08:15.01Xinhuanbecause the russian localization is different
08:15.10Xinhuanand there's more than 1 or 2 triggers for each event
08:15.13Arrowmasteryeah i just noticed on the forums
08:15.15Xinhuanas the sentence structure is different
08:15.31Arrowmasterbut i havent been able to be an asshole recently so i dont care
08:15.33Xinhuanso just localization it directly in Capping wouldn't really have worked
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08:16.03Arrowmasterand really the fix could still be done in capping without forking
08:16.23Xinhuanprobably
08:16.36nevcairielsentence structure more different then the asian languages?
08:16.47Xinhuanya the horde and alliance messages are not the same
08:16.50Xinhuanthey are different
08:17.02Xinhuansome of it is even dependant on whether you are male or female
08:17.05nevcairielso do a if on UnitFaction
08:17.32Xinhuanor rather, if the person capping stuff is male or female
08:17.51nevcairielI bet one could build a smart regex
08:17.53Xinhuanso not really that trivial
08:18.03Arrowmasterits still doable
08:18.12Arrowmasterno reason to fork
08:18.42Xinhuanwell if he doesn't have the permission of the author to edit the code directly and commit it, his only choice is to fork it
08:18.56Arrowmasterwhich is why you make a better patch
08:19.03Arrowmasterthat does get accepted by the author
08:19.10Xinhuanaha but what if the author isn't contactable?
08:19.16Arrowmasterhe is
08:19.28Xinhuancheck forums, is the author active?
08:19.42Arrowmastersince hes talking to the guy in the forums and said he wouldnt commit the patch since it breaks other locales
08:19.53Arrowmastermeaning the patch needs made better
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08:20.53Xinhuanbah, i'm not going to argue further
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08:25.09Ellipsisanyone know if there is/will be a [vehicle] or [possess] type macro conditional? something that would evaluate true when your normal abilities are no longer available?
08:25.47nevcairielbonusbar:5 is active when you are possessing
08:25.55nevcairielkinda hackish way to detect it, but shrug
08:26.01Ellipsishrm, I guess that could work
08:26.02Ellipsisthanks
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08:32.46Zhinjioso I thought that /stopcasting wasn't necessary anymore
08:33.03ZhinjioI'm trying /cast Hunter's Mark followed by /cast Serpent Sting
08:33.16ZhinjioSerpent Sting gives me "spell not ready yet" (I assume) due to gcd
08:33.35Arrowmasterif it has a gcd then you cant do it
08:34.07Meracant cast aspet of the monkey just before mounting anymore so mounting uses a gcd i think
08:34.09Zhinjiobut I can castsequence it, right? just hit it twice
08:34.51Ellipsissure, that should work
08:41.20Ellipsisso, I know I'm like, way too OCD and stuff
08:41.48Ellipsisbut does anyone else notice/get annoyed by the poorly antialiased text on the download/favorite/etc. buttons on wowinterface addon pages?
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08:42.00Ellipsisit makes my eyes cross :(
08:42.34nevcairielincrease your resolution -> buttons smaller -> less visible
08:42.57Ellipsismy resolution is already as high as my monitor will go
08:43.23EllipsisI just notice stuff like that, and it bothers me :(
08:43.37nevcairielwell then, open up photoshop and smoothen those images, and send them in!
08:43.43cheadnevcairiel: it isn't possible to enable level range display for the zones in Mapster, right? or am I just slightly blind?
08:44.17Ellipsisthat's not my job!
08:44.17Ellipsiswhoever was hired to create those images should be stabbed with the soft cushion though
08:44.17nevcairielchead: since that data is not available from the game natively, its not possible right now to display it
08:44.22cheadok
08:44.28nevcairieli've been thinking about doing it though
08:44.32cheadthen I won't spent more time looking for it hehe
08:44.32nevcairieli kinda miss that info
08:44.46cheadyeah would be nice.. once in a while =)
08:44.46nevcairielI just dont want to use tourist
08:44.49nevcairielits so bloated with infos
08:44.54Shadowednevcairiel, if a mob is red, chances are you shouldn't be in the zone :P
08:45.06nevcairielI want to know before going!
08:45.07nevcairiel:P
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08:45.25cheadyeah just that tiny extra info for a zone can't be that much bloat =)
08:45.56nevcairieldungeon level would be nice to have too, but *shrug
08:46.13cheadyeah.. tiny bloat + tiny bloat = more bloat =)
08:46.23Arrowmasterwhats bloated about tourist?
08:46.36nevcairielit has sooooooooo many infos noone ever needs
08:46.40Ellipsisneeds moar bloat.
08:47.01nevcairielalso it needs babble-zone
08:47.02Arrowmastermake it optional? and only use it if its found
08:47.39nevcairielI would rather just save the level range in my own simple table, since thats all info i need
08:48.58Ellipsisexplodes
08:50.01cheadhmm haven't tried that tourist, where is it hosted?
08:50.10Arrowmasterwowace
08:50.10nevcairielits just a library
08:50.17cheadahh
08:50.27cheadTouristLib
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08:51.14Ellipsiswhere is tuller, I need to make with the stabbings
08:51.27nevcairiel~seen tuller
08:51.30purltuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 16h 59m 8s ago, saying: 'guess I should make a second DK :P'.
08:51.39Ellipsishmph
08:53.20Adirelle|workEllipsis: what stabbings, about the forum buttons
08:53.23Adirelle|work?
08:53.26Ellipsisno
08:53.38EllipsisI need to stab him about dominos not allowing show states for the pet bar
08:53.58Adirelle|workmakes a quick search about dominos
08:54.33Ellipsisgives up and redoes her action bars from scratch
08:55.40Ellipsis--TODO: Probably enable the showstate stuff for other bars, since every bar basically has showstate functionality for 'free'
08:55.43Ellipsisfacepalms
08:56.21nevcairiellol
08:56.29Adirelle|workhuh ?
08:56.39Ellipsisstabby stabby stabby stabby stabby!
08:56.46Adirelle|workI think I don't know secureframe stick enough to understand the issue...
08:57.12Ellipsisthe issue is that tuller is lazy and acknowledges his laziness
08:57.19Ellipsisand said laziness prevents my UI from being perfect
08:57.36nevcairielstabbing wont affect his lazyness though
08:57.39nevcairielhe is really lazy!
08:57.45Ellipsisbut bribes of cookies might
08:58.07Adirelle|worknevcairiel: btw, what about adding a "open keybinding interface" button somewhere in bt4 ? for those of use that have the redfish syndrome
08:58.54Arrowmasterbuttons bad no
08:59.18Ellipsisgrammar bad yes?
08:59.55Adirelle|workreworded : a "keybinding config" execute option in some config group :p
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09:08.52Pkekyo|plonks Ellipsis. Hard.
09:09.06Ellipsisoof
09:09.11EllipsisI'mma be sore from that one
09:10.20Pkekyo|sounds like a plan
09:11.06thulhmm
09:11.09thul:-)
09:11.22Pkekyo|oh hai thul
09:11.29thulOH HAY!
09:11.38thuli want a flektogon
09:12.15Pkekyo|flektogon?e
09:12.26Adirelle|workfeeds Antiarc with Ellipsis blood in a attempt to revivife him
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09:13.00Ellipsiso.o
09:13.00thulPkekyo|: 35 f/2.4 flektogon
09:13.02thul:-P
09:13.10Adirelle|worksorry Ellisps, it had to be someone
09:13.17Ellipsiswhy me?
09:13.29Pkekyo|because BUMSECKS
09:13.34thulI so want to make bad blood, period, female-jokes now
09:13.39thulbut since I'm nice, i won't
09:14.00Ellipsisgood boy
09:14.42Adirelle|workactually, sex has no importance, vampires don't care anymore, only fresh blood counts
09:15.42Adirelle|workbut it seems Antiarc needs more blood... or maybe is it too late
09:16.09thulsexi s important :-(
09:16.16thulto me
09:16.32Ellipsislies, you're innocent and pure
09:16.35Adirelle|workremembers of old vampire RPG sessions
09:17.33Fisker-slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout
09:17.41Zhinjiohugs Ellipsis
09:17.55Ellipsisis overwhelmed with conflicting emotions
09:18.16thulties Fisker- to Zhinjio and sets Ellipsis on fire
09:18.46thulI'm thinking about going to NY this fall
09:18.48Pkekyo|rather set Fisker- on fire tbh
09:18.57thulhmm, ok
09:19.04thulties FinalX to Zhinjio and sets them on fire while chasing Ellipsis around them in circles
09:19.58Pkekyo|~fail thul
09:19.58purlthul, you Fail!
09:20.05Fisker-why level 80 Pkekyo|_
09:20.05Fisker-?
09:20.16Fisker-why so*
09:20.17Pkekyo|Fisker-: eh?
09:20.32Fisker-indeed
09:20.39ZhinjioI'm so confused.
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09:20.49Ellipsis*you're* confused?
09:20.56Fisker-i r elvel 80
09:20.59Fisker-level*
09:21.05EllipsisI've just been trout-slapped, hugged, set on fire, and chased around the room
09:21.09Ellipsisall within the past 2 minutes
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09:21.29Fisker-http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/naxxramas_01.jpg <-rawr @ dual wield
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09:21.52Zhinjioyeah, well... you like it.
09:22.03Pkekyo|Ellipsis: don't forget plonked
09:22.04thulPkekyo|: w000t?
09:22.06thul:/
09:22.15Ellipsisyes, plonked too
09:22.26Pkekyo|thul: eh?
09:22.32thulhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280257555497 <- you should get that
09:22.58Pkekyo|if you're buying...sure :p
09:23.23thulhaha
09:23.30thulI just got my 58 1.2, no need for a 55 1.2 :-P
09:24.49Fisker-tags Ellipsis
09:25.11Ellipsistouches Fisker- inappropriately
09:25.19Ellipsisnow shoo, I'm busy
09:25.33EllipsisAND WHY IS MY DAMN HELM VISIBLE AGAIN ARGHHH
09:25.35Fisker->:o
09:25.41Fisker-RAWR
09:25.48Fisker-I NEED TO PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT
09:25.55Fisker-i'm so level 80
09:26.02Pkekyo|Ellipsis: BCUZ IT R TEH SECKS
09:26.07Ellipsisno.
09:26.14Ellipsisspellstrike hood is NOT teh secks with frozen shadoweave
09:26.19Ellipsisand if you think it is, you need to get your eyes checked
09:26.35Pkekyo|no idea what spellstrike and shadoweave is :p
09:26.48Ellipsisbright red and yellow, and dark blue/black/gray
09:26.53Pkekyo|purty
09:27.00Ellipsisnot mixed together, no :P
09:27.01Fisker-YOU HAVE BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE SERVER
09:27.06Fisker-i hate this server ;_;
09:27.13EllipsisYOU HAVE BEEN TROLLED BY THE Fisker-
09:27.27Fisker-strangulates Ellipsis.. inappropiately
09:27.34Ellipsiskinky
09:27.36Ellipsisnot into that btw
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09:27.55Fisker-too bad, i'm into necrophilia
09:28.14Ellipsiswhy am I not surprised
09:28.20thulhmm
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09:28.23thuli get confused
09:29.09Adirelle|workthat channel becomes scary sometimes
09:29.42Adirelle|workplus I need to check all that not technical vocabulary...
09:29.47Pkekyo|it's not exactly news that Fisker-'s a twisted, demented fuck
09:30.07Adirelle|workbeside that, I'm wondering if Dominos works on beta
09:30.16Ellipsisthere's a wrath version of it
09:30.30Adirelle|workon wowi I suppose
09:30.42Ellipsisyes, or gcode if you prefer that :P
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09:32.59Fisker-yay
09:33.01Fisker-i'm in
09:33.09Fisker-be soothed
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09:38.33McFLYerArrowmaster, are you here?
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09:39.00Zyndromenaw Fisker- , the beta is fiWorld Server Down
09:39.03Zyndrome..
09:39.40EllipsisI dunno why you guys are QQing so hard, the beta is working fine for mDisconnected from server.
09:39.48thul:-P
09:41.07Zyndromeeven better with quests that keep booting you out of the game, at least for me
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09:41.16Hey-WTFthe beta is fine, learn to You have died. Release Spirit?
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09:41.26Zyndromehttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=11390
09:41.29theoddone33what's with the frost dragon in the wotlk trailer?
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09:41.43Zyndromethat ... jump into plane, wait, "You have been disconnected from the server"
09:41.44EllipsisZyndrome: don't use your mouse to steer and you won't crash
09:41.48Thelynathere's wow, there will be dragons
09:41.51Zyndrome>:(
09:42.03ThelynaEllipsis: are you advocating keyboard turning? :o
09:42.08Ellipsisin this quest, yes
09:42.12theoddone33well I mean was it just a random dragon?
09:42.13Pkekyo|PHEAR MEEEE!!!!!!!111oneone
09:42.13Zyndrome*shivers*
09:42.21theoddone33or is there some lore involved there
09:42.25Ellipsissince for some reason it actually prevents you from getting disconnected
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09:43.22Ellipsisand personally I find keyboard turning somewhat easier with that type of vehicle mechanics (since you can't turn any faster with the mouse anyway)
09:43.50Throngyhaving followed the example in the Ace3/Getting started article i'm getting an error: Library 'AceEvent-3.0' is not Embed capable
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09:44.19Throngyanybody mind helping me out?
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09:48.45theoddone33http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=572 heh
09:48.47theoddone33cute
09:48.49theoddone33achievements
09:49.09theoddone33I bet they're not retroactive :(
09:49.17Ellipsisthat one's not, since it's new naxx
09:49.18Ellipsis:P
09:49.28theoddone33new naxx??
09:49.38Ellipsis...
09:49.46theoddone33I haven't kept up
09:49.47Ellipsissee how it says 10 man?
09:49.57theoddone33oh, sweet
09:50.07Ellipsisalso it's not a feat of strength, but rather dungeons & raids -> wotlk?
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10:04.02Adirelle|workshould I install the standalone, wotlk branch of ace2/ace3 or stick to the embedded non-wotlk version ?
10:04.32Adirelle|work(or have them be merged for great justice ?)
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10:12.56orionshockWTB API:  GetLinkInfo("type", "ID") returns everything you want to know about the link provided :D
10:13.01orionshockdreams
10:13.20Ellipsisso write it
10:14.12Shefkiorionshock: Describe everything?
10:14.24Shefkiorionshock: And what's wrong with GetItemInfo()
10:16.57Fisker-world server down
10:26.18cncfanaticsorionshock: blizz rarely provides functions you can write yourself :p
10:27.32CIA-4703whyv * r80931 10LibKeyBound-1.0/LibKeyBound-1.0/Locale-zhTW.lua:
10:27.32CIA-47LibKeyBound-1.0:
10:27.32CIA-47- fix zhTW typo
10:30.00CIA-4703jerry * r80932 10Talented/tips.lua:
10:30.00CIA-47Talented:
10:30.00CIA-47_ When Talented_Data is not available and viewing the current template, fall back to :SetTalent() to fill tooltip information.
10:30.52Fisker->:3?
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10:32.44Fisker-something is seriously fucked with that wotlk server
10:32.50Fisker-i have to spam teh enter buttons just to login
10:33.00Fisker-and i actually get to a point where i can see and move my char
10:33.08Fisker-and then it disconnects me like i never actually got logged in
10:33.45SNiLDwotlk is on addon developer beta state?
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10:35.16nevcairielFisker-: stop spamming the button, and its better =P
10:36.48Fisker-no it's not
10:37.04Fisker-When i login i have to cancel at connected (It will disconnect if not)
10:37.21Fisker-When i login to the realm i'll have to keep relogging until it says retrieving character list (it will disconnect if i don't)
10:37.39Fisker-When i retrieve the character list i'll have to be quick to enter world (it will disconnect me if i don't)
10:37.44Fisker-And then i'll just have to be lucky
10:37.56EthanCentauraiperhaps Blizzard don't want you online atm :)
10:38.09Fisker-Then i wait for the login, and either i get disconnected or i get in
10:38.14nevcairielFisker- you just fail
10:38.14Fisker-or apparently now i get in and then disconnected
10:38.17Fisker-no u nevcairiel
10:38.26JagannathWhat is the BonusScanner of Titan Panel do, anyone?
10:38.57EthanCentauraiit scans bonus stats (+healing, +spellpower etc) in your equipment
10:39.35JagannathFor TitanItemBonuses?
10:39.38EthanCentauraiTitanItemBonus uses it to display this info in it's tooltip
10:39.42JagannathGotcha.
10:39.44JagannathThanks.
10:39.51EthanCentauraino prob :)
10:40.03Jagannath^_^
10:40.17EthanCentauraiI should know, I was once the author of Titan Panel...
10:40.24nevcairielFisker- you definately fail, i just logged in, got char list, entered realm, am online now, even faster then the other days
10:40.52nevcairielThat took courage to admit, didnt it? =P
10:41.04Jagannath:o
10:41.12JagannathOrly? Badass dude. =p
10:41.15Arrowmasterlol
10:41.21Fisker-no nevcairiel
10:41.24Fisker-I do NOT fail
10:41.27Fisker-blizzard fails
10:41.37EthanCentauraiis Dark Imakuni in disguise :)
10:41.44nevcairielFisker- its working for me, thats all i need
10:41.52nevcairielgood that it keeps you out, though
10:42.04Fisker-it doesn't keep me out
10:42.14Fisker-but it's probably because i have an authenticator
10:42.35nevcairieli got my authenticater after beta auth was copied, hah!
10:42.44Adirelle|workthe wotlk client is a cpu hog, compared to the live one
10:43.06nevcairielthats because its not running in release mode
10:43.10nevcairielbut a beta build :)
10:43.16Fisker-live is a cpu hog
10:43.31Adirelle|workbeta is worst
10:43.43Adirelle|workwait...
10:44.03Adirelle|workactually it seems the beta client uses both vCPU, where the live uses only one
10:44.18nevcairielwell thats good
10:44.20Adirelle|workCPUs, no vCPU btw
10:44.30JagannathHmm. I've been using titan panel forever with the blizz ui because I was too lazy to get a cool custom ui. Anyone have any suggestions for a prot warrior? =p
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10:46.02EthanCentauraican't help you there, mate, I've never been a warrior
10:47.24JagannathHehe.
10:47.51JagannathWell anything cool looking/full of useful...features would be nice =p
10:48.03JagannathI've gotten real used to the blizz ui, but lol.
10:48.15Fisker-i need moar arena points nevcairiel :(
10:48.41Adirelle|workwth doesn't quartz obey surfacecontrol :/
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10:50.16EthanCentauraiJagannath: here's mine lol http://darkimakuni.deviantart.com/art/Ghost-Ship-93649815
10:50.19ag`quartz is orphaned or something, dunno
10:50.43Jagannath:o
10:50.48JagannathIt's like..empty lol.
10:50.52JagannathYou should see my screen.
10:50.53JagannathOmg.
10:51.08EthanCentauraihaha
10:51.18JagannathI have like a little box where I can see the game.  Then it's crap everywhere lol.
10:51.22EthanCentauraiI have loads of things on auto-hide :p
10:51.44JagannathAh lol.
10:52.37JagannathUse to use Xperl, just cause I thought the bars were cool lol. But meh, seemed real memory intensive.
10:53.12JagannathHell, I need to learn how to make my own ui lol.
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10:56.54SNiLDxperl memory intensive?
10:57.03SNiLDare you sure you're using the latest version?
10:57.10SNiLDit loads dynamically only the parts you really need
10:57.12JagannathNo it was awhile ago.
10:57.14Jagannath=p
10:57.51JagannathDidn't know it changed, just got back into WoW a few weeks ago after a nice..8 month break.
10:57.58SNiLDbtw. it's available from wowace repository these days :o
10:58.03JagannathGood to hear though, might go use that again then =p
10:58.07Jagannath:o!
10:58.10JagannathAwesome.
10:58.12SNiLDme too btw ;p
10:58.29Matrix110|ag` nymbia was back sometime ago and updated Quartz abit even: http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/branches/Quartz/
10:58.37Matrix110|~seen nymbia
10:58.37purlnymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 10h 39m 54s ago, saying: 'but they wouldnt need to drop bans if they just automatically repaired hash fails'.
10:58.49ag`Matrix110|: deleted the existing branch I think :D
10:59.03Matrix110|hmmm
10:59.28SNiLDdamn quartz was so good addon
10:59.37Matrix110|no the Ace3 Branch still exists here
10:59.42JagannathWas? :o
10:59.45JagannathI still use it =p
10:59.50SNiLDwell me too
10:59.59SNiLDbut if it's not maintained it'll be hell :(
11:00.25Matrix110|http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Quartz/Ace3/
11:00.35JagannathI thought it was updated kinda recently though.
11:01.30SNiLDseems so
11:01.41SNiLDmaybe there's still hope :p
11:01.56JagannathRawr, why is WowAceUpdater using 100% cpu all the time.
11:02.08Jagannath>.<
11:02.16SNiLD:P
11:02.29SNiLDtrying to connect to non-existing repository?
11:02.48EthanCentauraiexactly the reason why I just download the zips straight from files.wowace.com :p
11:03.05JagannathLol yea, that's what I've been doing.
11:03.07EthanCentauraior checkout them with Tort
11:03.26SNiLDi haven't noticed 100% cpu usage
11:03.40JagannathWell mine is stuck at 98-100%
11:03.51SNiLDalthough i update before going into the game so it's harder to notice :/
11:04.05EthanCentauraiwell when the PC freezes and the fans blow as hard as they can that pretty much spells it out for me :)
11:04.14JagannathLol.
11:04.33SNiLDoh? you're not playing music so loud that you can't hear the fans? ;)
11:04.45JagannathLol.
11:04.50EthanCentauraiiTunes eats all my memory :(
11:06.37JagannathFail lol.
11:06.43EthanCentaurainever run iTunes and WAU together unless you have at least 3Gb RAM lol
11:06.44JagannathWinamp ftw =p
11:06.49JagannathRofl.
11:07.32EthanCentauraiI
11:07.34EthanCentauraioops
11:08.09EthanCentauraiI'd gladly replace iTunes with WinAMP but I can't find any other program which syncs music to my iPod
11:08.25JagannathThere isn't really. Apple is a bitch that way lol.
11:08.42JagannathStupid imo. Force you to install their crap lol.
11:11.39JagannathWow have you seen this Instant Health thing?
11:12.06Industrialsyncing is retarded
11:12.20Industrialan mp3 player is a data device, just put the mp3's on there and not your pc
11:12.29Jagannath"The server doesn't send health updates for a unit faster then once every 0.3 seconds, often it's slower."
11:12.32Jagannath:o
11:12.34Industrialbut no we have to go all "Sync" (tm) (r)
11:13.06JagannathThat explains all the times people are like, Omgz that heal went off!
11:13.17Industrialim getting a mac soon though
11:13.21Industrialbut I dont have an ipod
11:13.21JagannathEw.
11:13.21Industrial:>
11:14.12Industrialmeh its unix goodness + a normal interface, whats not to like?
11:15.03JagannathIt's a mac.
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11:16.49SNiLDis there a way to fiddle the amount of updates the server should send for you/you send to the server?
11:17.00JagannathTCP?
11:17.08SNiLDno on the wow-side
11:17.45JagannathIndustrial: Not trying to be all PC is way better bla bla, just I don't like using a mac is all. I've tried my friend's etc. Hated it compared to my PC.
11:18.01JagannathDon't think so, SNiLD.
11:18.20JagannathBesides changing video settings etc.
11:19.19JagannathAnd that 1 mouse button thing is annoying lol. Could not get over that lol.
11:21.33IndustrialJagannath: you mean windows with PC or another OS?
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11:23.19Matrix110|well Industrial "syncing" speeds up the whole process of selecting music if you have 50GB MP3s but only a 4GB Player then picking music is harder then letting the program do it based on how often you listened to song X and Y and how you rated Song X and Y. Not saying its the best way though but its certainly easier and faster than handpicking :P
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11:24.58Industrialbased on what you listen on the mp3 player would mean you have the same stuff on there all the time. Humour aside get a bigger player
11:25.03Industrial:D
11:25.45Matrix110|Well its always some less listened music on it :P
11:26.58Industrialso if you would have a player with eg 80gb (like me) you would always have everything on there right?
11:27.14Industrialmine just uses a laptop hd so it can go up to 250gb atm
11:27.55Matrix110|If I would have 50GB mp3s and a 80gb player then I personally would have everything on it
11:28.49Industrialso then you dont need to Sync(tm)(r) anymore
11:28.54Matrix110|correct
11:28.58ZhinjioHey Industrial
11:29.02Industrialhey Zhinjio
11:29.10ag`Jagannath: you do know you don't have to buy the one button mouse right?
11:29.10Matrix110|Syncing is only usefull if your player has less space than you have mp3s :P
11:29.36ag`you mean more?
11:31.01SNiLDJagannath: but GUI update rate is not tied to the updates send to the server, i hope?
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11:31.29winkillerstill is fine with his 512MB mp3 player
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11:44.27Adirelle|workSNiLD: no, it's not
11:44.31Adirelle|workhopefully
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11:52.57SNiLDAdirelle|work: would be interesting if someone would investigate this, though :P
11:53.14SNiLDAdirelle|work: as it makes big difference in pvp for example
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11:53.45Adirelle|workSNiLD: ui update is definitively linked to your FPS, and unlinked from server updates
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11:55.04SNiLDAdirelle|work: updates to server you mean
11:55.28SNiLDobviously it's not linked with the updates the server sends ;)
11:55.28Adirelle|workSNiLD: yes
11:55.29Pkekyo|anyone here on Efnet EU as well?
11:55.52SNiLDEfnet EU?
11:56.06Adirelle|workand I think isn't linked either to update the client sends
11:56.32Pkekyo|SNiLD: the IRC server...?
11:57.12SNiLDPkekyo|: i was to the ipv6 but got disconnected
11:57.30Pkekyo|I'm unable to connect :<
11:57.36Pkekyo|I NEEDS MAH CHANNULZ
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12:02.35sneghi
12:02.49snegwhats the easiest way to output debug information when debugging addons inside wow?
12:05.20Pkekyo|<PROTECTED>
12:06.17snegthanks
12:06.51Pkekyo|dude
12:06.56Pkekyo|don't listen to me, I have no idea :p
12:07.00Throngywhat's the best error catching addon for development purposes?
12:07.22Pkekyo|that bugsack thingie is fancypants :O
12:07.52Throngythat's what i've been using, but having never looked for another i thought i'd ask
12:08.19Pkekyo|I've never seen a reason to look for anything else really...it's simple, it works...
12:09.33Throngyaye, if only there weren't so many errors for it to catch ;)
12:10.00Pkekyo|well, that's hardly bugsack's fault now, is it? :p
12:10.44Throngyyou *could* argue that, yes ;)
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12:17.50Throngycan anyone point me at a simple addon that packages Ace3 correctly? I get errors on mine if I install the zip and enable it on its own
12:20.11Throngyor maybe shed some light on the error? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94639-1cvg
12:21.13CIA-4703oridan * r80933 10SpellReminder/core.lua:
12:21.13CIA-47SpellReminder:
12:21.13CIA-47- WotLK update.
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12:25.07DalhiaFriend of mine is getting this error: interface\addons\threat-2.0\threat-2.0\threatBoot.lua:19:cannot find a libary instance of "aceaddon-3.0".
12:25.17Dalhia(with typos probably ;) )
12:26.06Dalhiaafaik he uses euh, omen, ora and grid as ace2 addons, and downloaded them from wowace with dependancies
12:27.06Xinhuanwhere did he download omen from?
12:27.11Throngythreat 2.0 is a library
12:27.15Xinhuanor threat2
12:27.36Throngyso it should be in the omen directory if downloaded with dependencies
12:27.40Dalhiafiles.wowace.com he said, sec
12:27.46Dalhiayeah, thats what I thought aswell
12:28.37Throngyget your friend to try disabling Lib:Threat-2.0 in the addons window
12:29.40DalhiaI made him check first if he had the threat folder in his libs folder, he isnt the brightest and may have managed to get one without dependancies..
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12:40.14Dalhiathanks, he did indeed have some stand alone dependancies left which were outdated.
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12:46.19FinalXhum, anyone familiar with Palatank?
12:46.39FinalXseems like a nice addon, but i cant seem to move the frames, and its giving errors in the frames :P
12:46.45FinalX"DATA_ERROR"
12:51.08JaxxMaxx__any one know when Omen2  plans to move over to the Curseforge system?  keeps telling me there's a new version, but I can't see anything listed on wowace higher than what I have.
12:52.51sacarascbecause the new version thing is for Threat-2.0
12:52.54sacarascnot Omen itself
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12:54.43JaxxMaxx__aha, tricky.
12:54.56JaxxMaxx__it's the Omen window displaying NEW! r8xxxxxx
12:55.35JaxxMaxx__curse client not the correct updater program now?  didn't see a separate entry for Threat-2.0
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14:13.41CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80934 10Prat/modules/PlayerNames.lua:
14:13.41CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Dev):
14:13.41CIA-47Only use the who workaround for unknown guild members if the player is
14:13.41CIA-47actually in a guild.
14:14.47sylvanaargrrr blizzard IsInGuild() is always true, grrrrr for 0 being true
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14:19.29SNiLDsylvanaar: that seems to happen even before WotLK too btw ;)
14:19.42SNiLDsylvanaar: i always wondered what caused that weird "not in a guild" message :P
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14:20.44ithatockknight: I heard a while back that you were considering rewriting Pitbull, have you given that any more consideration?
14:21.02ckknight@project pitbull4
14:21.02Repockknight: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/pitbull4/. PitBull Unit Frames 4.0. Game: WoW. Leader: ckknight. Updated: 40 minutes ago
14:21.48ckknightithato: ^---
14:21.51CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80935 10Prat/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
14:21.51CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Dev):
14:21.51CIA-47Move the experimental module to the Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules pullout.
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14:22.33sylvanaarSNiLD its not related to prat - it was just added last week to deal with guilds with over 500 member
14:23.10ithatockknight: sounds great, and happy belated 21st, welcome to the legions of the legal
14:23.25ckknightI should take that out of the topic
14:23.32sylvanaarthat reminds me, i need to fix ACP to handle prat-3.0's name
14:23.38*** topic/#wowace by ckknight -> WoWAce Future Plans! http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.0 | http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | Author Key Give-Aways! http://wow.curseforge.com/announcements/lich-king-beta-author-key-giveaway/ | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207
14:23.39SNiLDsylvanaar: oh ok...
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14:24.06ithatoI keep reading about "psyn feeds" on threads relating to the upcoming Curse Client, can anyone link me to a reference for that? it sounds like some sort of syndication format
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14:25.31ckknightithato: it is, though the format's kinda fluid in its lack of real documentation and arbitrary changing state
14:26.28ithatockknight: something being developed alongside the new WA site, then?
14:26.42ckknightithato: WHA, you mean?
14:26.52ckknightwarhammeralliance, I'm assuming
14:27.02ckknightithato: the psyn format's been around for a while
14:27.15ckknightit's changed in various ways to support more and more things, though
14:28.18ithatockknight: i see. well, i'm in the process of coding a wow-related website, and if there's some kind of feed i can gather to notify my users, "hey, x addon got updated yesterday" and link to you good folks, i would find that to be advantageous
14:28.37ithatockknight: so any kind of spec or documentation, incomplete thought it may be, would be nice to read
14:28.52ckknightithato: I recommend contacting Kolie
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14:30.04ithatockknight: ok, thanks
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14:30.56CIA-4703sylvanaar * r80936 10Prat/Prat.toc: Prat: OptDep Prat-3.0 in preparation for Prat-3.0's move to trunk.
14:31.44sylvanaarman, i need to prepare myself mentally for this
14:31.49AckisWorksylvanaar: prat 3.0 is almost ready for trunk?!?!
14:31.55sylvanaargoing alpha
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14:32.14AckisWorkyou seemed to code that pretty damn fast
14:32.37sylvanaarit still has to make it through alpha and beta
14:33.06sylvanaarits got a ways to go - but, its working, and I am using it exclusively
14:33.33sylvanaarI dont even use prat 2 anymore
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14:33.42AckisWorknice
14:34.04sylvanaarplus - the experimental module has some cool features that I love
14:34.44AckisWorkI'll have to play with it
14:35.16sylvanaaryeah, the experimental module just got moved into the HighCPUUsage pullout, so it'll have to be tested again
14:35.59SNiLDoh big changes coming up... :/
14:36.04CIA-4703adirelle * r80937 10Yatba/ (Yatba.lua Yatba.toc): (log message trimmed)
14:36.04CIA-47Yatba:
14:36.04CIA-47- new feature : target and focus highlights,
14:36.04CIA-47- all font settings and bar thickness moved into "general layout" panel,
14:36.04CIA-47- all group "remove" and "enable" controls moved together into "bar groups" panel,
14:36.05CIA-47- new group setting: scale,
14:36.09CIA-47- one can now disable health display in unit headers,
14:36.10sylvanaarbut, its freaking awesome, mouseover hilighting of chatlines from whoever's name you mouseover
14:36.15sylvanaar2 column chatframes
14:36.16SNiLDi hope the libraries will be separated from the rest of the stuff finally...
14:36.31sylvanaarwhat
14:36.31CIA-4703ackis * r80938 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
14:36.31CIA-47AckisRecipeList:
14:36.31CIA-47- Enchanting and vendor update to address ticket 47
14:36.31CIA-47- Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p)
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14:39.12ithatoAnyone using Fubar2Broker a lot? I made a brief attempt at it last night but had to crash for work before I accomplished much of anything
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15:06.59Lukiansylvanaar, could you move the "ReloadUI" button in ACP?
15:07.17LukianIt's in the same spot as "Close" on similar-sized 'official' frames
15:13.45sylvanaarLukian yeah, i'll try, it confuses me too sometimes
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15:30.19Yasuohi there, anyone knows an addon automaticly buying items for me?
15:34.13Throngydon't think there are any - auctioneer used to do it but not any more (think Blizzard weren't keen on it)
15:34.50CrazyBennyYasuo: from auction house or from vendor NPCs?
15:35.11ThrongyCrazyBenny: ah. good question :P
15:35.54Yasuonpcs
15:36.04Josh_Borkecheck out free refills
15:36.10ThrongyFreeRefills
15:36.12CrazyBennyidd
15:36.18ThrongyI thought..
15:36.24Yasuothx you two :)
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15:52.33Oojoosteal your carbon does this as well
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16:23.59KriLL3I just love that my bleeding edge Cuda/Physx Nvidia drivers crash repeatedly while playing KotOR... I guess it's using way too old OpenGL stuff
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16:25.55Stanzillaeven the release version driver crashes for me all the time :/
16:26.06KriLL3:D
16:26.24CIA-4703odlaw * r80940 10PassLoot/ (MainGUI.lua Modules/LootWon.lua): PassLoot: Small code change to look more uniform.
16:27.13Odlawhrm, just got a merge failed msg wtf?
16:27.16KriLL3I love that vista brings up a prompt later being all "there there, everyone can't get it right the first time around" and tells you how to update your drivers, my drivers aren't even officially released yet, now much more up to date can I be?
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16:52.31CIA-4703pettigrow * r80941 10LibBabble-Boss-3.0/LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Boss-3.0: Added some WotLK bosses
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17:00.03KriLL3Anyone knows when S4 ends? will it be before LK?
17:00.17KriLL3I'm contemplating just saving all my honor and arena points until then
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17:00.36nevcairielS4 didnt start that long ago
17:00.47nevcairielI dont think they'll do a new season before LK
17:01.06KriLL3but aren't they likely to drop a lot of easy to get gear beforehand? they did before TBC
17:01.20nevcairielHow so?
17:01.53KriLL3I recall them removing the ranks thing prior to TBC so everyone could get good pvp gear etc
17:02.01nevcairieloh yeah
17:02.02KriLL3I might be mistaken though
17:02.14nevcairielBut i dont think they intended that to get people the gear
17:02.19Carancuthe honor-gear was not exactly on par with tier3 though.
17:02.20nevcairielthey just wanted to rework the pvp system
17:02.35nevcairielBefore BC you just owned in BGs with your PvE gear
17:02.38nevcairielman i miss those days
17:02.47Esineuhm no
17:02.48Funkeh`so what's up
17:02.50Funkeh`so fucking bored
17:02.58Esinebefore BC you were a knight champion and had access to the champions hall
17:03.06Esineif you werent you were a pussy :|
17:03.18KriLL3I was :>
17:03.20nevcairielI was, but still
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17:03.40KriLL3I had rank 11 before BGs
17:03.46Carancurank 3, then I got bored of it.
17:03.48KriLL3tremble at my might
17:04.14nevcairielThese days you dont win anything in your PvE gear, at least in BGs you should have a chance, save pure e-sport competition in arena gear for the arenas :(
17:05.02nevcairielBut you can do pretty well in Arena gear in PvE, not 100%, but guilds have shown that you can easily defeat Illidan in PvP gear
17:05.03KriLL3I like that you don't get a free ticket to the upper rungs on pvp by pve:ing
17:05.14KriLL3it's bad enough that a lot of nice pvp gear is locked inside raids etc
17:05.28nevcairielWell i would be fine with arenas nerfing your pve gear
17:05.32nevcairielbut openpvp or bgs
17:05.39Caranculike it isn't the other way around too. pvping for pvegear...
17:05.51KriLL3in bgs/world pvp you can run around with a raid of guildies like all pve:ers do
17:06.11nevcairielI would still like to be able to do half-good in pure PvE gear
17:06.14nevcairiellike i could before BC
17:06.16Arrowmasteroh man i goto bed and you guys are still here talking when i get up, silly euros
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17:06.23Obelixprimelol
17:06.36ObelixprimeI only wear pvp gear for arenas really
17:06.48Obelixprimeunless i try to be "hardcore" and wear s2-3 gear in bgs
17:06.55Obelixprimebut as a spriest there's no point when pvping
17:07.08Obelixprimeas long as you have a healer and are > 10k health
17:07.10nevcairieltry being a healer in a bg, if your enemy is half-smart you are their first target
17:07.20Obelixprimeyou can usually kite/dot/kill anyone while in a battleground
17:07.31Carancuferal druid: "your are out of range"
17:07.38evonderanyone know the best way to remove eol characters from the begining of multiple files?
17:07.40Carancuyou are*
17:07.41nevcairielI usually have at least one rogue and 1-2 hunter pets on me
17:07.51Obelixprime:(
17:07.58nevcairielwhile i can heal myself through that pretty easily in pve gear
17:08.08KriLL3Carancu: I love being a feral druid on Coldarra... horrible lag + range bug + mages that know how to exploit both = not a single hit
17:08.13nevcairielOne stun when i cant heal myself anymore kills me
17:08.14Obelixprimeevonder: it depends on your editor I think, there's faq's on how to do it in vim
17:09.06[SW]Dodgewow o.o i added my addon to curse 2h ago... and allready 12 downloads o.o
17:09.15evonderwell I am on a windows machine, and what do you know got a bsod when exiting wow...now have eol at the begining of every single savedvar file :(
17:09.20nevcairielLast week in WSG one rogue caught me off-guard in caster form, and i was dead during stunlock
17:09.24nevcairielthats not funny :(
17:09.39Carancuthat's why I don't even try to pvp on the betaserver, I got problem enough being in range on the npcs
17:09.40KriLL3nevcairiel: you got about 8k hp?
17:09.46nevcairielKriLL3: about 10k
17:10.01KriLL3Carancu: yeah I just wanted to try and gank a low hp pvp:enabled mage
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17:10.17jy__nevcairiel: same thing happened to me at sunwell island
17:10.38jy__i dont have any pvp gear on my druid
17:10.44nevcairielwell i do
17:10.46KriLL3nevcairiel: I got 11k, only way a rogue stunlocks me to death is if my pvp trinket has cooldown or I'm in a bad condition already
17:10.48nevcairielbut only s2 shit
17:11.07KriLL3or he blows every single cooldown
17:11.18jy__damage reduction stacking makes druid op, not druids themselves
17:11.30nevcairielbecause i stopped doing arenas when my arena team dissolved in late s2, and couldnt be arsed to find a new one really
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17:12.00nevcairielAnd S2 compared to my Sunwell Raid Gear .. well it nerfs my healing stats that much, that i rarely wear it =P
17:12.06KriLL3I and an IRL buddy do arena games knowing we'll just get to 1600~ and we'll either get S3/S4 gear or buy help to get most of S4
17:12.36jy__i hate TBC pvp
17:12.42KriLL3me2
17:12.51jy__too boring
17:12.52Esineme too!!1
17:13.03nevcairielI hope wintergrasp is fun
17:13.06KriLL3persistence and dedication doesn't mean anything anymore, you need the right spec and partners
17:13.08nevcairielthe new BG looks awesome too
17:13.15Esinenevcairiel, I just really hope it's not siege only stuff
17:13.18Esinebut real world pvp
17:13.28jy__i only want to have fun when pvping
17:13.33jy__not being the best
17:13.35nevcairiel(although i doubt wintergrasp will be a big hit on my server, we have sucky horde)
17:13.35Arrowmasteri wonder if wintergrasp will give arena points in live like i heard it does in beta
17:13.40KriLL3in BG pvp you can at least grind forever to get the best stuff, now you can't get the best stuff if you're the wrong class/spec
17:13.43EsineI heard there's a mine at wintergrasp with lots of minerals.. hopefully that'll become a popular ganking place :)
17:14.07AeyanMy PvP used to be fun until the Arena
17:14.22KriLL3arena is less pvp than it is a duel
17:14.38AeyanNow, if you aren't fully S2+ geared while wandering around the world, you're just meat for the grinder.
17:14.56KriLL3well you get S2 from bg
17:15.03Obelixprimeone of the benefits of a low pop server
17:15.06Obelixprimei rarely see anyone
17:15.10AeyanI realize that
17:15.21AeyanJust saying that Arena pretty much ruined world PvP on my server
17:15.24Esinewouldn't that be a negative thing
17:15.28KriLL3pft plat on a pve server carebear
17:15.35jy__world pvp was ruined long time ago :)
17:15.47ag`Problem is pvp doesn't mean anything for the game world... They should add some rare world drops from mobs that spawn in a FFA zone, if you control them you can craft mad epics. That's some epic pvp for you right there.
17:16.09CIA-4703Ghostar * r80942 10Parrot/Locales/ (ParrotLocale-zhCN.lua ParrotLocale-zhTW.lua):
17:16.09CIA-47Parrot:
17:16.09CIA-47-- Fix zhCN/zhTW typo.
17:16.17AeyanNah, it was still fun in BC up through 70
17:16.21jy__i have a friend who plays AoC
17:16.29jy__apparentl AoC PvP is like wow
17:16.36AeyanI don't have a problem getting jacked by a rogue dual wielding the glaives
17:16.36CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80943 10Prat/addon/addon.lua:
17:16.36CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Dev):
17:16.36CIA-47Add DisableAddOn("Prat") to the main chunk, to prevent loading Prat-2.0
17:16.36jy__doesn't award anything
17:16.37AeyanHey, he worked for it
17:17.12ag`skill should be > gear
17:17.52jy__<PROTECTED>
17:18.41jy__and having 400 resi + 13k pv shouldn't allow careless use of the skills
17:18.53jy__against lower geared people
17:19.19jy__stuff makes people lazy to use skill when playing
17:19.24Ozafyofc it should
17:19.30Megalonthat's the point of it
17:19.32Megalonor not?
17:19.32Ozafybetter gear means easyer everything
17:19.43ag`well gear just makes characters scale too much
17:19.45Ozafybut I do agree arena is a piece of crap
17:20.09Ozafyin a giant war I don't want to be forced to play in a sandbox with 3 others
17:20.10Esineyeah, gear allows people to make more mistakes (or worst case not even know what they're doing)
17:20.26jy__atm, you are 8k hp 0 resi, you counter every ability and avoid the most you can
17:20.38KriLL3another thing I don't like about areans is that RNG is a huge factor
17:20.38jy__the other with S3/S4 wins
17:20.44Ozafythat's because gear at endgame is like level midgame
17:20.53Ozafyyou're saying you don't want 70's to gank 60s?
17:21.14jy__hey at lvl 62 in zangar we were 2 leveling
17:21.20jy__a hunter 70 aggroed us
17:21.30jy__he had to drink a pot
17:21.30ag`not really true, because you can't solo your way to sunwell epics
17:21.46ag`I'm not saying that you should be able to either
17:22.02KriLL3if your stun is parried/dodge/miss or your cyclone is resisted twice in a row you're dead, that has nothing to do with skill
17:22.06OzafyPvP should just be about premade battlegounds tbh
17:22.15Ozafy10v10 premades, get gear from that
17:22.18Ozafyscrew arenas
17:22.24ag`PvP should be about the world imo
17:22.26ag`screw instances
17:22.42jy__btw, for people who went in wintergasp
17:22.50jy__how works the rez system ?
17:22.50OzafyWell, they've already killed that with infinite guard spawns
17:23.02ag`which is stupid
17:23.17ag`there needs to be something worth fighting for in the world
17:23.18Ozafyeven in places where they encourage world pvp (halaa) you have guards with more hp then onyxia :/
17:23.33ag`well halaa is useless
17:23.39ag`you gain nothing from doing it
17:24.11KriLL3well the guards aren't what you're fighting, you're fighting over the roosts
17:24.18CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK * r80944 10ACP/ (ACP.lua ACP.toc): ACP: Drycode fix for group by name, and Prat-3.0_ModuleName
17:24.23Ozafyyeah..but why..?
17:24.27Carancuhalaa is "never" in the control of the horde on Argent Dawn EU... there simply is too many allianceplayers on the server.
17:24.51ag`the two faction setting is sucky for pvp anyway
17:24.53OzafyI don't want to bomb the thing for 15 minutes flying a stupid bird bombing npcs
17:24.53KriLL3agreed it would be more fun to have actual pvp
17:24.56Ozafythat's not pvp
17:25.13KriLL3well the flag capture is a bit more pvp
17:25.14OzafyI want to go in there, kill some alliance, and plant my flag
17:25.22jy__pvp for being able to enter instance
17:25.24sylvanaarsomeone want to try out that ACP and see if it works? I can't until I get home from work.
17:25.33jy__that is the only thing i can think of
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17:25.49ag`problem is that it won't work because of the two faction setting
17:25.54jy__remember world server crashing due to 3 horde raid and 2 alliance raid meeting at blackrock
17:26.03ag`some servers have 70/30
17:26.07ag`or maybe 80/20
17:26.19jy__yeah unfortunately
17:26.20ag`so it won't work, unless they allow people to go ffa
17:26.34cncfanaticsgiev 3 factions
17:26.37KriLL3urgh the legions of noob... mention the beta in /1 on live and you get a million wispers about every damn ability/spell/talent in the game and questions about how it's been nerfed/buffed...
17:26.39cncfanaticsworld of starcraft !
17:27.07KriLL3one guy even asked if I was playing on a private beta server... wtf how do you even think that's possible?
17:27.10ag`3 factions would still have problems, because the number of players on each side can be unbalanced
17:27.46KriLL3couldn't you sweeten the deal for factions with less active players?
17:28.29jy__the problem is : blizzard don't want people who loose not being able to access content
17:28.31ag`perhaps, but ffa or allowing people to switch sides is the way to go
17:28.43jy__because that would make them leave wow
17:28.48KriLL3ffa sucks imo
17:29.00ag`that's what guilds are for KriLL3
17:29.05jy__rvr > ffa
17:29.15KriLL3ag`: hell no
17:29.21ag`hell no?
17:29.35KriLL3you have any idea how lame it is to walk around with an escort of your own guild just to get anything done?
17:29.44jy__ffa is about camping/gank
17:29.58ag`how is it different, except players choose who they team with, instead of blizzard telling you team with
17:30.00KriLL3that's how eve works, in low sec you can't go anywhere without a full gathering of buddies
17:30.16KriLL3it means you can't ever do anything solo
17:30.35jy__that will never happen in wow
17:30.44ag`probably not
17:30.47jy__the ability to solo is a key
17:30.50ag`but that's why pvp is going to keep sucking
17:31.00ag`it will always feel tacked on
17:31.13KriLL3why would it keep sucking you say?
17:31.30jy__all these problems comes from "we don't want to frustrates player"
17:31.34ag`because it sucks, it is a rollercoaster grind for epics
17:32.13jy__average player dont want to keep losing/not being able to access content
17:32.19jy__because they would leave
17:32.23jy__and stop paying
17:32.31ag`that is what pvp/pve servers should be for
17:32.36ag`but blizzard had to make them the same
17:32.40ag`I mean
17:33.00jy__i had to roll on pvp because my friends were on pvp
17:33.14jy__(and they were on pvp because their friends were on)
17:33.17Matrix110|nevcairiel
17:33.22nevcairielwut?
17:33.24Matrix110|voice CIA in wowace-cia :P
17:33.31nevcairieli dont have op there
17:33.35Matrix110|oh
17:33.41jy__i think pvp server should not have any pve content
17:33.41Matrix110|fail
17:33.56nevcairieldoesnt it report to #wowuidev-commits too?
17:33.58nevcairieljust sue that
17:34.49ag`I just don't see why it has to be an either or situation
17:35.00KriLL3ag`: you seriously think pvp would be more fun if you had to raid for it?
17:35.08ag`they could add pvp ffa zones, and they could add more pve crap content
17:35.11ag`raid for it?
17:35.24KriLL3in FFA you can't solo anything, you need a group
17:35.33ag`of course you can
17:35.47ag`you can get ganked by squads on pvp servers too
17:35.49KriLL3I see you've never played an mmo with ffa pvp
17:35.56ag`I did
17:36.03ag`and that is why I hate wow pvp
17:37.12ag`there's nothing stopping horde from grouping up and ganking solo alliance players and vice versa on live, right now
17:37.22Dashkalmeh, want to get off of my pvp server.  Problem is I need a place to go, no friends play on PvE
17:37.39jy__it is much more difficult to get help on ffa
17:38.11ag`getting good random help is hard in wow too
17:38.23jy__with a faction system, it is likely that other people from your faction group up
17:38.25ag`so if you're getting ganked, most people would likely ask their guildmates for help
17:38.29Matrix110|WoW fails that you do 90% of the content solo as good as with a party :P
17:38.38jy__ag`: i saw stupid thing doing sunwell dailies
17:38.47jy__rogue killing a mage
17:38.57jy__the other guy next to him doesnt react
17:39.02jy__he's next
17:39.04KriLL3Matrix110|: you honestly want to do everything in a group/raid?
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17:39.09ag`of course
17:39.17ag`that's wow for you
17:39.20ag`:P
17:39.49KriLL3I pvp with a sense of honor
17:39.51DashkalMatrix110|: funny thing is that's why I play wow and not other MMOs, because I'm not _forced_ to group.
17:39.51Matrix110|I want to level faster if I have a group XP/hour wise
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17:40.27Matrix110|Dashkal nobody is talking about forcing people but in a group (some exceptions) you get not more xp you get less normally
17:40.44Matrix110|in other MMORPG there are level areas where you cant level without a group
17:41.06KriLL3heard of instances?
17:41.11Dashkalwow has those too... too slow
17:41.18Matrix110|they dont give that much exp
17:41.34Dashkalerm?  I can get pretty good exp instance grinding
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17:41.49KriLL3let me guess you "you must be ina a group!" people are all non viable solo, resto druids, holy priests etc?
17:42.10Matrix110|iam a mage
17:42.29Matrix110|but its one of the reasons why only few people want to be a healer
17:42.40kenlyricXP doesn't come from mobs
17:42.42KriLL3well all healers can spec for dps
17:42.43kenlyricit comes from quests
17:42.55KriLL3most quests involves killing mobs
17:43.01Matrix110|yes and wow has like 2% group quests?
17:43.03kenlyricso getting reduced xp on a mob kill is hardly worth noticing
17:43.25KriLL3I solo most group quests
17:43.29kenlyricany quest is a group quest if you do it in a group
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17:43.48kenlyricand you get less xp per kill per person but you do them faster which means more quest xp per hour
17:44.16Matrix110|yes but you can do almost every quest solo there are maybe 50 group quests in TBC...
17:44.16AckisWork~seen kagaro
17:44.17purlkagaro is currently on #wowuidev (1h 43m 53s) #wowace (1h 43m 53s) #curseforge (1h 43m 53s), last said: 'Arrowmaster: did you update your svn checkout? I added the binmode for windows'.
17:44.25kenlyricso unless you're just trying to mob grind in a group (incredibly dumb since 2.2) it's not a problem
17:44.52njalhrmph. how do you guys deal with localization? just developer friends from country X, Y, Z thats interested in making and keeping the addon work for their localized client?
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17:45.20kenlyricmore like someone works on localizing every mod they can for their locality
17:45.22nevcairielnjal: we just upload our addon, and if its popular enough, some translator will simply translate it =P
17:45.24kenlyriceven if they don't use it
17:45.25Pneumatusjust write the addon in your locale, and if other people like it let them send you localised strings, or commit new ones :)
17:45.31kenlyriclike I don't think gamefaq uses that many mods
17:45.34njalI'm using AceLocale for my strings, but keeping the localization luas up to date sounds like its going to be painful
17:45.51Matrix110|Just tell them to use the enGB/enUS client
17:45.53nevcairielnjal: i use a script for that :)
17:46.19njalnevcairiel: a released one? :P
17:46.26nevcairielit strips all L[...] strings from my code files, places them in the enUS file, matches the locale files against it, and adds the missing ones
17:46.29nevcairielwell not exactly
17:46.46nevcairielbut you can check it out in Bartender4/locale/Babelfish.lua
17:46.48nevcairielin svn trunk
17:47.01KriLL3how stupid do you need to be if you're a retri pala to try and steal the vein of a feral in S2/4?
17:47.14kenlyricpoint is, it's always better to do quests in a party because you do them 2x,3x,4x as fast, except for stupid collection quests, which you just skip.
17:47.54nevcairielnjal: i should write a generic version of it some day and publish it somewhere
17:47.57kenlyricexcept the awesome ones where the drops drop for everyone in the party.
17:48.00BelazorKriLL3: Lobotomised George Bush
17:48.07KriLL3XD
17:48.15KriLL3Belazor: he's tried it twice now
17:48.31KriLL3first time he just walked up next to me and tried to get in edge wise, second time he started with a hammer of justice
17:48.47Belazoronly problem is, on my account, I'm the Ret Paladin :(
17:48.49njalnevcairiel: I might be looking at your script, then write one in python some day I get the urge and time
17:48.55Belazorbut I don't play on PvP servers so Im safe
17:48.56BelazorXD
17:48.56kenlyricmaybe you shouldn't be such a dick and let him get the skill point, you insenstive clod.
17:48.57njalwould you mind if I did that?
17:49.06nevcairielI like lua scripts >:(
17:49.22njalI dont have a lua interpreter etc :P
17:49.37nevcairielI always wanted to write a sh file to go with that to automatically find all exisiting lua files
17:49.41AckisWorknjal: easy to download :P
17:49.52dodganjal: apt-get install lua :>
17:50.01Pneumatusyum install lua-devel
17:50.01Belazorlollinux
17:50.09nevcairielemerge lua!
17:50.20Belazorlua.exe!
17:50.22njalemerge y3k more like it :P
17:50.58Pneumatusemerge #eventually.
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17:52.27Primeremerge? People still use genpoo?
17:52.28nevcairielhah thats awesome
17:52.28nevcairielhttp://waxy.org/random/images/weblog/transparent_powerbook.jpg
17:52.39dodgauh, genpoo, creative :D
17:52.43PrimerHeh, the dude that runs that site is an old co-worker of mine
17:52.48Obelixprimeis there currently an in game to do list available?
17:53.00Primerplus, I know the dude that used to own waxy.org before him...strange, ain't it?
17:53.28PrimerOne of those "small world" kinda things
17:53.30njalhmm
17:53.48dodgaeverybody knows everyone in at most 7 steps, so what :P
17:54.07njalstuff like UnitClass("player") etc. isnt localized I hope
17:54.18nevcairielnjal: it is, and its not!
17:54.23Belazorfirst return param is local, second isnt
17:54.26BelazorI think
17:54.40njalphew, I'm using the 2nd :)
17:54.47nevcairielthe 2nd is the file name
17:54.55nevcairielwhich is the classname in all caps in english
17:54.56nevcairiellike
17:54.58nevcairielWARRIOR
17:55.07BelazorWORRIER
17:55.34MegalonDROOD
17:55.36Megalonand others!
17:55.47nevcairielLOLLOCK!
17:55.49nevcairieloh wait
17:55.53dodgahrmpf. no beta key yet.
17:57.06BelazorWURLOX
17:57.10BelazorMAEG
17:57.13BelazorSHAMEN
17:57.15BelazorPADALIN
17:57.30dodgaPALYDAN! NREF!
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18:19.53CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK * r80945 10ACP/ACP.lua: ACP: Fix the nil error, but not exactly fixed for Prat-3.0. May just special case it.
18:22.08CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80946 10Prat/pullouts/Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules/Experimental.lua:
18:22.08CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Dev):
18:22.08CIA-47Fixed module to run from an external addon
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18:24.29Sarozslash command to set MT targets in blizz?
18:24.37Sarozsince apparently it's tainted to do it with right click
18:26.12Stanzilla/mt name
18:27.18nevcairielSaroz: turn off clearfont
18:27.21nevcairieland taint goes away
18:27.30nevcairielor rather, comment the offending line in clearfnt
18:28.40SarozI luv clearfont
18:28.46Sarozwhat line
18:28.58nevcairiellook in design.lua
18:29.04nevcairielsome lines have a header
18:29.04Pneumatusdoes MiniType taint the raid interface?
18:29.12nevcairielits 4 or so
18:29.31Saroz4th what
18:29.46nevcairiel4 lines, not 4th =P
18:29.51nevcairieljust read the freaking comments :)
18:30.43ag`Pneumatus: raid interface?
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18:31.37Pneumatusag`: ClearFont2 taints the raid window by dicking with fonts, just wondered if MiniType suffers the same problem
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18:31.57ag`I don't know, try it
18:32.53nevcairielPneumatus: yes it does
18:33.06Fisker-why doesn't my raid window get tainted? >:3
18:33.16nevcairielit looks like a total rip-off from tekticles
18:34.45ObelixprimeSo I asked this earlier, but I don't think anyone answered... is there an in game ToDo list manager addon?
18:34.59ObelixprimeSort of like there's Remember the Milk
18:35.34Pneumatusis it just one of the text objects that end up tainting the raid frame, or multiple?
18:35.51ag`what does your taintlog say?
18:36.09Pneumatusi cant test right now, im in the middle of a raid :<
18:36.24nevcairielPneumatus: its multiple
18:36.49Zhinjiowhere are the EotS inviter people?
18:36.52nevcairielUIDROPDOWNMENU_DEFAULT_TEXT_HEIGHT, UNIT_NAME_FONT, NAMEPLATE_FONT, DAMAGE_TEXT_FONT, STANDARD_TEXT_FONT
18:37.01nevcairielthose 5 vars taint it
18:37.04ZhinjioI assume theyre' in the major towns, but where specifically, say... in IF?
18:37.46nevcairielZhinjio: where all other inviter are?
18:37.59Zhinjiook
18:38.00Zhinjiothanks.
18:38.02nevcairielmilitary district
18:38.05ZhinjioI don't pvp, and my wife is asking
18:39.41Pneumatusnevcairiel: so the only way to change the font without any taint is to rename your font and drop it in the Fonts folder?
18:39.52Pneumatuswhich could then end up a mess because you cant set scaling, etc
18:40.04nevcairielPneumatus: for those parts, anyway. However the UIDropdown font size is a mess
18:40.06Stanzillayup
18:40.38nevcairielcant change it :(
18:40.55nevcairielthey really need to rewrite the dropdown shit
18:41.40Odlawagrees
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18:46.58CIA-4703danielbarron * r80947 10RaidBuffStatus/ (10 files in 2 dirs):
18:46.59CIA-47RaidBuffStatus:
18:46.59CIA-47- Added an option to allow you to configure if the dashboard automatically shows or not when you join a party or raid.
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18:52.07KriLL3buy a full collection of giantuque bags now or should I save the gold for LK you think?
18:52.37dodgaEither that or pay 8k for that Dalaran-Teleport-Ring :o
18:52.47KriLL3?
18:53.29dodgathere's a ring that costs 7600 (probably with enough rep) that has on use: port to dalaran
18:53.39Groktarwtb
18:53.48dodgaI could afford that right now :>
18:53.57KriLL3cooldown?
18:53.59Groktardoes dalaran have ports to shat/major cities?
18:53.59dodgaBut I need to buy more pets!
18:54.05dodgaKriLL3: dunno :/
18:54.06KriLL3duh
18:54.11dodgaGroktar: Presumably to Shatt
18:54.16ShaneSvellerKrill3: half hour
18:54.21KriLL3It got to all cities, stupid
18:54.29Groktarit's kind of a nightmare to go from northrend -> anywhere else atm
18:54.32KriLL34 capitals per faction + shattrath
18:54.35Ellipsisdalaran is a mage city, it should have ports to every town in the game
18:54.47dodgaI dunno, I ain't got no beta key
18:54.49KriLL3it does
18:54.52Groktardo you still have to be 74?
18:54.53KriLL3I do
18:54.56KriLL3yeah
18:54.58dodgaProbably because I didn't hail enough to Ellipsis :/
18:54.59EllipsisKriLL3: I said *town*, not city
18:55.15KriLL3eh, you'd need one hell of a lot of portals for that
18:55.16dodgaBut then again, I don't bow to Warlock Mistresses!
18:55.35EllipsisKriLL3: or a hell of a lot of mages wandering around porting themselves/each other to various places...
18:55.42Ellipsisoh wait, isn't that what would happen if dalaran were accurate? :)
18:55.54KriLL3I dunno
18:56.03nevcairielThe mages of the kirin tor can probably do such things
18:56.08nevcairielBut why would they share?
18:56.17KriLL3I'm not an RTS guy, don't have much familiarity with the earlier warcraft titles/lore
18:56.28Groktarwhy would the mages of kirin tor ever let filthy orcs into their city?
18:56.36EllipsisI'd really like to see some mage npcs you could hire to port you
18:56.37dodgaThey got their port on cooldown, silly, cause they just ported a freekin city :P
18:56.52nevcairielsrsly
18:56.55Ellipsiskind of like a really awesomesauce flight master
18:56.57KriLL3it didn't port, it hovered
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18:57.19Ellipsisgossip with them, point out where you'd like to go, and for a small fee they can teleport you directly there, no flight time!
18:57.23dodgaKriLL3: Then they had a lot of feathers...
18:57.37KriLL3druids might have helped
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18:58.09KriLL3or they just did that bee flying cart thing but with dragons
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18:59.10KriLL3bah, this is torture, I'm killing mobs with 6k hp slower than I kill mobs with 10k in northrend
18:59.23Ellipsisstop sucking :P
18:59.26KriLL3giev 3.0 patch nauw
18:59.52KriLL3Ellipsis: sans tigers fury, berserk and attacks that actually scale I can't really do much
19:00.26Groktarauce flight master
19:00.26Groktar<
19:00.46Groktarwow that's not at all what i meant to c&p
19:05.13Groktarso i've noticed that my wow 2.4.3 client takes about 430mb, and that the 3.0 client takes about 750mb
19:05.18Groktaranyone else getting that?
19:05.57nevcairielmy 2.4.3 client does to after playing for an hour
19:06.11nevcairiel*too
19:07.43Groktarmmm
19:07.44KriLL3I got 4GB, I don't really mind
19:08.22Groktarwell, i still have 2GB, and it starts taking forever to tab in/out after a while
19:08.28Groktarlike upwards of a minute
19:08.34Groktardon't really get that with 2.4.3
19:08.52KriLL3I don't tab in/out, I got 4 screens
19:09.18EsineKriLL3, four?! which GPU(s) do you have?
19:09.29KriLL38800gts and 8500gt
19:09.30Esinedoes nvidia sli support all 4 dvi ports?
19:09.33Esineat the same time
19:09.44vithosmy 2.4.3 client is using 784.9 MB right now
19:09.47Esineoh right, it's not sli
19:09.51KriLL3no
19:09.56Esineright ok
19:12.52Groktarso it appears laptop on battery + vista + wotlk beta = bad
19:13.17KriLL3gaming on battery = bad full stop?
19:13.25Groktarhehe
19:13.32Dashkalhey, commander keen on battery works just fine :p
19:13.44Groktarhey, if i turn off the gpu throttling i can still get like 4!5 minutes on a full battery
19:14.44Groktarheh, doesn't look i *can* turn it off with this driver version
19:17.13KriLL3I'm the kind of guy that has a fulltower PC with dual PSUs, GPUs 4GB of ram and a quad core along with 7 HDDs and got an Eee on the go
19:17.39Groktaronly have 4 hdds, and only two of them are in raid
19:17.41Groktar:(
19:19.14KriLL3I'm trying to say I don't believe in laptop gaming ;)
19:21.22Groktarwell, i've got an hour and a half between classes 3 days a week
19:21.44Groktari did game on this thing back in 2004 for quite a while tho
19:21.46KriLL3that sucks
19:22.15Groktarone day i my computer froze and up and wouldn't post again
19:22.32Groktaropened the case and looked inside, hit the power button
19:23.02Groktarafter about 30 seconds of very, very slow moving post codes it blew up in my face
19:23.12KriLL3sounds like fun
19:23.16Groktarya
19:23.27Groktarthey replaced the motherboard for me but it was never the same
19:23.34KriLL3they?
19:23.37Groktarepox
19:23.47Groktarmanufacturer of exploding motherboards
19:24.04KriLL3sounds like the PSU might have been to blame
19:24.31Groktarmaybe
19:24.41Groktarthat was one of the things i swapped out afterward
19:25.05Groktarpretty sure it damaged some other components afterward
19:25.17KriLL3was it the capacitors that poped?
19:25.23Groktarya
19:25.31Groktarno, wait
19:26.01Groktarwas a little black square chip looking thing
19:26.10Groktarnext to the big capacitors
19:26.15KriLL3kk
19:26.27PProvost|workDoes anyone know of an oUF layout that has a Main Assist group? Trying to figure out how to do it but not finding much info.
19:26.36KriLL3your CPU can take damage from that kind of accident
19:26.50KriLL3it was fed unregulated power
19:26.54Groktaryup
19:27.21KriLL3my old P4 rig died that way except it was the capacitors
19:27.23Groktarlike i said, i replaced the psu and rma'd the ram
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19:27.37Groktardidn't fix it so i played on the laptop for 6 months
19:27.40KriLL3was my own fault though, added mroe and more parts over the years and it had a 400w psu
19:28.04Groktarhehe
19:28.23Groktari'm thinking in november i'm going to upgrade again
19:28.44Groktarhopefully get a nehalem or w/e they're calling it these days
19:29.12Groktar$1000 budget, should get something pretty hawt
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19:40.21vithosTekkub, is tekilevel hosted anywhere anymore?  i can't find it
19:40.35Tekkubno, Engravings
19:41.08vithosah nice
19:41.29TekkubI just added "weighted" ilevel yesterday too
19:41.44thulhttp://fc01.deviantart.com/fs35/i/2008/238/2/1/Wire_Fence_Flowers_by_cainadamsson.jpg
19:42.20vithosnormalized for item quality?
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19:42.46Ellipsisthul: MOAR KITTENZ
19:43.17Tekkubvithos, yes normalized to uncommon
19:43.31Tekkubfor your northrendy upgrading pleasure
19:43.53thulEllipsis: is that not good enough?
19:44.23Ellipsiswhat part of kittenz do you not understand?!
19:45.14thul:-(
19:45.26thuli can take nude pics of my gf, she is kittenish? :-P or myself :-D I'm LIEK A TIEGER!!1
19:45.29thulor maybe not
19:46.41Ellipsiso.o
19:46.50Ellipsisnudes of your gf is fine too
19:46.53Ellipsis;)
19:46.57thulhehe
19:46.59thuli don't think she would approve :-P
19:47.04Ellipsisa cat is fine too
19:47.24thulI DO have kittens
19:47.24thul:-P
19:48.29cncfanaticshmmm, where is the option for "smooth" health updates in the wotlk beta ?
19:50.12vithosTekkub, very nice <3
19:50.59thulEllipsis: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs17/i/2007/154/6/7/Fragile__by_cainadamsson.jpg
19:51.29thulhttp://fc05.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/214/2/e/Samoyed_II_by_cainadamsson.jpg <- is that approved ? :-P Ellipsis
19:52.23Ellipsisawwwwwwwwwwww
19:52.26Ellipsismelts
19:53.05thul:-D
19:55.24Shefkiturns the temperature down so that Ellipsis goes solid again.
19:57.23Obelixprimewhat's a name of an addon that allows in game editing of lua files?
19:57.35profalber1Obelixprime: wowlua
19:57.43Ellipsisyou can't edit lua *files* but you can edit lua code and copy/paste it out into files
19:57.59profalber1that's what i ment
20:05.18Ellipsisthul: I am prepared to offer you six cookies in exchange for that kitten
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20:07.05Esinewho needs cookies when you already have directories full of them :/
20:07.18Ellipsisshh, I'm trying to negotiate here!
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20:16.05thulEllipsis: well, you can have it :-D
20:16.10thulEllipsis: for... TEN cookies
20:16.19njalgah
20:16.53njalwhy cant I do this: {L['Something that needs to be localized'] = 'foo' }
20:17.19Pneumatusdo [L["Something"]] = "foo"
20:17.26njalaha
20:17.28Ellipsisthul: I'll consider 8.
20:18.38thulEllipsis: 9 and a handjob and you're in.
20:18.40ShefkiDon't waste your time she's not buyable with food, I tried for months.
20:19.13Ellipsisthul: deal.
20:19.13thulShefki: she is trying to buy my KITTUNS
20:19.18thulEllipsis: ok!
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20:21.41Funkeh`kittuns are foar laughing at nut fur sellin
20:22.14thulyou should just see the sister of that one :-P
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20:30.47AckisWorkkittens make good eatins
20:31.45vithoskitty burritos
20:31.47Pneumatusom nom nom nom
20:32.26Iboong-Kenzogive me please your guild tag from cowtip2.0!
20:33.08Obelixprimewhat?
20:33.16EllipsisI'll trade you guild tags for kittens
20:35.36AckisWorkI don't have guild tags !!!!
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20:44.01Pkekyo|COOKIES
20:44.51Pkekyo|plonks Ellipsis so hard she'll walk weird for a month.
20:44.51Aiio_o
20:44.51Ellipsiseesh
20:44.53Aiibleep. :P
20:45.04ShaneSvellerwow
20:45.08EllipsisPkekyo|: why don't you plonk Aii instead?
20:45.11Pkekyo|Ellipsis...youknowyouloveit
20:45.14EllipsisI've had plenty of plonkings for one day
20:45.16Pkekyo|Ellipsis: out of range
20:45.23Ellipsiso.O;
20:45.27EllipsisAii, what planet are you on?
20:45.47Pkekyo|Ellipsis: I only range across continents, not outer space :P
20:46.10EllipsisPkekyo|: and across oceans, apparently :P
20:46.35Ellipsisexplodes
20:46.36Pkekyo|Ellipsis: I figured that was given
20:46.37Ellipsishttp://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/2008/08/23/dsc_0038.jpg
20:46.37thulhmm, me and holy pala vs resto shaman and resto druid.. :-P i burned resto shaman in like 5 secs with AR and BF, but that fucking druid.. seriously, I dpsed my ass of, he healed 40k :-P
20:46.42thulbut i got him :-D
20:46.56Pkekyo|picks up the pieces and locates needle and thread
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20:49.45AiiEllipsis: what planet *am* I on, I think I'm lost :(
20:50.32Pkekyo|is this the right time to rock the uranus-pun from austin powers? :p
20:50.52Ellipsisif there were ever a right time, this might be it
20:51.02AckisWorkom nom nom's a kitty.
20:51.10Aiino nomming kitties :X
20:51.19Ellipsiskitty is not for noms!
20:51.21Ellipsisis for cuddles!
20:51.31AckisWorkburps.
20:51.34AckisWorkkitty taste good
20:51.40AckisWorkgrabs another from the bbq.
20:52.08AckisWorkhey did you pet lovers see the police/dog story?
20:52.40Funkeh`omnomnom
20:52.49Funkeh`good sandvich?
20:52.57AckisWorkohhh double kitty sammich
20:53.16Gnarfoznumber of times that word was spelled correctly: 0
20:53.36AckisWorkI spelt it incorrectly on purpose :P
20:54.01Gnarfozyou don't say.
20:54.14AckisWorkI do, and I did
20:54.16GnarfozAckisWork: how many exalted factions do you need for The Exalted?
20:54.27AckisWork40
20:54.31Funkeh`Gnarfoz, not a tf2 player eh
20:54.40GnarfozI know the ad.
20:54.45Aii~whalepunt AckisWork
20:54.45purlACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts AckisWork across the Solar System
20:54.47Gnarfozit's still incorrect? :p
20:55.02Funkeh`not really
20:55.14Funkeh`it's not a sandwitch, it's a sandvich!
20:55.23Pkekyo|IS TEH SAMMICH STFU
20:55.34Pneumatus+1 for sammich
20:55.36Gnarfozsand witches?
20:55.49Gnarfozcowers
20:56.01EthanCentauraigoes to the beach and eats all the sand which is there
20:56.17GnarfozI see what you did there.
20:56.22Gnarfoz(you ate the sand)
20:56.28AckisWorkgoes to the store and eats all teh kitties.
20:56.40Pkekyo|SAMMICH DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL
20:56.57EthanCentauraicheers for AckisWork, as he is allergic to kitties :(
20:57.22AckisWorkthey can't affect your sinuses when they're in your stomach
20:58.03EthanCentauraitrue true, but I still need to get near one to om nom nom it
20:58.11Pkekyo|seriously...the left side of my body is allergic to cats :/
20:58.34AckisWorkuse a big stick... a poky stick!
21:00.08Pkekyo|sticks AckisWork's poky with a use
21:00.48CIA-4703zhinjio * r80948 10AckisRecipeList/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
21:00.48CIA-47AckisRecipeList:
21:00.49CIA-47- The spelling errors, they hurtses me
21:00.54AckisWorklol
21:00.57Ellipsisrofl, 12 files?
21:01.02Ellipsispets Zhinjio
21:01.03AckisWorkshhhhh :P
21:01.12Zhinjiohe was very consistent with how he spelled incorrectly
21:01.15Zhinjiogrins.
21:01.20Ellipsisbahaha
21:01.23Ellipsisbrb diffing
21:01.28AckisWorkoh God
21:01.29AckisWorkno
21:01.31AckisWorkplease
21:01.43AckisWorkI'll leave the kitties alone
21:01.50EthanCentaurai. o O { how to omnomnom kitties... mouth near nose... }
21:02.26EllipsisAckis: the kitties can't save you now! (because you ate them)
21:02.32AckisWorklol
21:02.42Chomperskittieskittieskittieskittieskitties
21:02.46Chompersmewmewmewmemwemwmew
21:03.21EthanCentauraigives up an omnomnoms on a cookie instead
21:03.55fewynSo who here wants to help in upgrading my computer cheapely?
21:05.02AckisWorkcia isn't broadcasting in wowace-cia btw
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21:10.12Chompershttp://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/Best-PC-Money-Can-Buy.aspx?catid=News
21:10.16Chompersfor you fewyn
21:10.26CIA-4703adirelle * r80949 10CastYeller/ (7 files): CastYeller: reviewed darkimakuni changes.
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21:10.34fewynyea i read that Chompers =p
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21:10.41fewyni need cheapely tho
21:10.58fewyncurrently my mobo/cpu combo is my cockblock in my machine
21:11.02fewynand i need to upgrade
21:11.19Pkekyo|AMERICANS SUCK
21:11.26Pkekyo|goddamn retarded arsehat export regulations
21:11.38fewynwhat did we do now?
21:12.14Pkekyo|bastards won't sell me a goddamn 10cm picatinny attachment 'cause they're afraid I'll use it to kill americans
21:12.21Ellipsiswell, wouldn't you?
21:12.22thulEllipsis: want to be female-emo-picture judge? :-P
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21:12.26EllipsisI know I would
21:12.29Ellipsisthul: er, sure
21:12.30Ellipsiso.O
21:12.59Pkekyo|Ellipsis: no, can't be arsed to spend the money to go there to kill the arsehats...not worth it...you're doing tremendous jobs at killing eachother off either way soeh :p
21:13.05Zhinjiohugs Ellipsis
21:13.35Ellipsishugs Zhinjio
21:13.53AckisWorkis Ellipsis emo?
21:13.57CIA-4703adirelle * r80950 10CastYeller/ (14 files in 2 dirs): CastYeller: moved locales into their own subfolder.
21:14.44Ellipsisam I?
21:14.52AckisWorkI don't know I'm asking
21:15.03Ellipsisjust because I'm a warlock doesn't make me emo
21:15.10Pkekyo|http://www.andysairsoft.co.uk/acatalog/Modularop.jpg you see those two tiny rails on either side of the platform?
21:15.10Pkekyo|the goddamn arsehat yanks are afraid I'll use one of them as a weapon
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21:19.58thulhttp://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/358975244_J9JEH-XL.jpg <- Ellipsis
21:19.58thulversion one
21:20.13thulhttp://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/358975449_nEF7H-XL.jpg
21:20.14thulversion two
21:20.52AntiarcIs there a way to get bullet lists in simplehtml?
21:21.01Ellipsisso I get to decide which one is moar emo?
21:21.08nevcairielAntiarc: no, it only supports like 2 tags
21:21.15AntiarcBah, figured.
21:21.20AntiarcOh well, I can fake it.
21:21.25EllipsisAntiarc: use texture links to make a bullet icon? :P
21:21.29thulEllipsis: yeah :-D
21:21.35Ellipsisthul: #2 then
21:21.41nevcairielhttp://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_SimpleHTML
21:21.46thulEllipsis: ok
21:21.48nevcairielyou get some h# and p and a
21:21.49nevcairielor so
21:21.51nevcairieland img!
21:23.01[SW]Dodgehmmm i think there is still no official Parrot2 ?
21:24.51Stanzillano
21:25.14Gnarfozso what :XX
21:28.37Zyndromefgdsfgds
21:29.07evonderanyone know if its possible to restrict perl to only reading the first line in a file?
21:30.08Dashkalevonder: that would be a function of the script you're running, not perl itself.
21:31.01thul!rating 1440
21:31.01Xinhuan1440 rating gives 330(5s), 291(3s) and 251(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
21:31.15thul!rating 1550
21:31.15Xinhuan1550 rating gives 401(5s), 353(3s) and 305(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
21:32.53evonderDashkal, well here is the deal when exiting wow I got a bsod and every saved var file has a CRLF at the top making them garbage. I am trying to figure out a way to do them all at once rather than trying to fix thousands of files
21:33.22evonderso for example when testing on one file using: perl -i.orig -pe 's/\s+$1//g' Grid.lua
21:34.13evonderworks fine and dandy for the whole file. How do I, if you know, restrict to only the first line?
21:34.17DashkalWhat OS are you running under?
21:34.32evonderVista
21:34.37evonderbut
21:34.57Dashkalmeh, think I'm over my head here.  Failing to understand why a newline at the top of the file makes it garbage
21:34.58evonderfunny thing, using my router/server to test this out
21:35.43Dashkalthat said, you should be able to write a short perl script that only munges the first line and just spits the rest out unchanged.  No idea how to do that on the command-line off the top of my head
21:35.46evondergo and add a new line to one of your saved variable files and see if it reads fine, I get errors and nothing loads
21:37.19Dashkaljust a while(<STDIN>) loop with a control variable to skip the first line and a print $_ after that should do
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21:44.05[SW]Dodgesct from WAU is the same as the one from wowi right?
21:44.16AntiarcHm. SimpleHTML doesn't seem to have a OnHyperLink handler.
21:44.23AntiarcOr do links not work at all?
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21:45.40AntiarcOh
21:45.41AntiarcNevermind
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21:51.46Antiarcokay, I'm stumped, how do I handle clicks of links in simplexml?
21:52.22thul!rating 1500
21:52.22Xinhuan1500 rating gives 344(5s), 302(3s) and 261(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
21:54.09winnetou-could anybody tell me whether there's a version of UnitDebuff that works with unitGUIDs?
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22:15.01Zyndromehttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=12225
22:15.04Zyndromebest questline ever
22:15.56AeyanI rather liked the 'Rescueing the Rescuers' quest.
22:16.13AeyanYou stroll around 'rescueing' people by ripping the spears out of them and killed them
22:16.26AeyanErr, killing
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22:20.38AckisWorkhttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5568166992&sid=1
22:25.35Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/flippy1.jpg
22:25.36Antiarc>_>
22:25.57DashkalO.O
22:26.40Ellipsisnice spelling
22:27.06AntiarcI'm pretty pro
22:27.16Ellipsisyes, of course you are
22:27.18Ellipsispats Antiarc
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22:30.00Shefki"learnt" ftw
22:30.59SNiLDhmm
22:31.21SNiLDcan i discuss curseforge on this channel aswell? ;)
22:31.28ShefkiWhy not?
22:31.40SNiLDthanks
22:31.58SNiLDit's offering me "Healing Addons for Erus" as replacement of "quartz_target" :P
22:32.37SNiLDi should probably ignore the suggestion?
22:33.24Daemonahaha reading the Demon changelog makes me chuckle
22:33.34Daemonareminds me of running ZA with my twink warlock last week
22:33.54Daemonasearching like mad for curse of shadows ... DAMN i am AFFLICTION i even SPECCED for it, where did it go?!
22:34.31Pkekyo|STOP BEING SO GODDAMN PREGNANT
22:35.18Daemonaguess as being german, i will never understand using pregnant in that context -.-
22:36.53CIA-4703Octane666 07WotLK * r80951 10SpamMeNot/ (10 files):
22:36.53CIA-47SpamMeNot:
22:36.53CIA-47- Lots of progress. Seems to be filtering spam.
22:36.53CIA-47- AddOn's can register their event handlers with SpamMeNot to get it to filter their events,
22:36.53CIA-47- Filter's WIM3's event handler
22:36.54CIA-47- Loads of debug spam. Not really a feature - more of a warning lol.
22:37.41Daemonanevcairiel what is the state of stance bars for bt4 on beta? *tries to look really cute*
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22:39.34CIA-4703adirelle * r80952 10Yatba/Yatba.lua:
22:39.34CIA-47Yatba:
22:39.34CIA-47- some tweaks on option internals,
22:39.34CIA-47- should better detect auras on player login and when disabling/enable Yatba or groups,
22:39.34CIA-47- fixed a bug causing CallbackHandler errors.
22:39.40sylvanaaroh, boy, fun times ahead
22:40.23CIA-4703ckknight * r80953 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Categories/Auras.lua: LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - Change the update time for aura events to be longer.
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22:43.59CIA-4703adirelle * r80954 10CastYeller/CastYeller.lua:
22:43.59CIA-47CastYeller:
22:43.59CIA-47- tweaked GROUP channel,
22:43.59CIA-47- register to spell events on enable.
22:44.07Pkekyo|Daemona: NOONE nunderstands it in that context
22:46.04CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80955 10Prat/ (Prat-3.0.toc addon/addon.lua):
22:46.04CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Dev):
22:46.05CIA-47Development -> Alpha
22:48.53CIA-4703sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80956 10Prat/ (. Prat-3.0.toc):
22:48.53CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Alpha):
22:48.53CIA-47One last toc change
22:50.00CIA-4703sylvanaar * r80957 10Prat-3.0/:
22:50.00CIA-47Prat 3.0 (Alpha):
22:50.00CIA-47Branch to trunk
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22:54.00chazowitzwhat gems would you put in http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31988
22:54.37Pkekyo|+6str
22:55.01[dRaCo]stun resistance and resilience or resilience/stamina if you need blue
22:57.29chazowitzstr O_o
22:57.48Pkekyo|chazowitz: go for it!
22:58.18chazowitzthat doesn't even make sense as a joke
22:59.14Pkekyo|yes...yes it does
23:06.08chazowitzthen why is nobody laughing?
23:07.27DashkalI laughed on the inside
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23:12.09Camci......
23:12.16AKXO_o
23:12.18tevening :)
23:12.22AKXHello.
23:12.24Ellipsisthanks for the save
23:12.36fewynfun
23:12.57AKXI find the fact I had a highlight from that spam more fun than... the.. er, non-fun of the spam.
23:13.03fewynxD
23:13.27Ellipsisneeds moar random nick AKX :P
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23:13.48Dashkaldanke, t
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23:24.19Pkekyo|<PROTECTED>
23:24.25WobsterI have this uncomfortable feeling I'm in a Sesame Street sketch with those aliens
23:24.29Wobsterwoooop wooop
23:25.35Wobsterwork time =(
23:28.04Zyndrome._.
23:30.02Zyndromeawesome
23:30.06ZyndromeI got ... 153 queries
23:30.32Zyndromethe bots are spamming in PM now
23:31.05Zyndromeor was..
23:31.52Adirellenight
23:33.08Pkekyo|same...wth is going on?
23:35.32Pkekyo|is the r-tard world cup on tonight or something?
23:36.09Ellipsisno, that was last night
23:36.14Ellipsison beta at least :d
23:36.31smcni didn't get any q's, maybe they only target people with vowels in their nick
23:36.51DashkalEllipsis: Were you in howling fjord general last night? :p
23:36.53AKXYeah, spamming in PM.
23:37.21AKXMeh. I'll be back later.
23:37.40EllipsisDashkal: I am everywhere.
23:38.11Dashkalset yourself +E if you're getting PM spammed
23:38.16Dashkaltook a sec to find that
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23:38.43Pkekyo|Dashkal: howto?
23:38.51Dashkal<PROTECTED>
23:39.03Pkekyo|what does it do?
23:39.04Dashkalwell, spell your name right
23:39.13Dashkal"This umode prevents users who are not identified to nickserv from sending you private messages. It is suggested that you might want to temporarily set this umode if you suffer problems with unidentified users sending you unwanted messages. "
23:40.14Pkekyo|fancypants
23:41.17smcnoh, there we go
23:41.21smcnyeah that's pretty annoying :P
23:41.39Pkekyo|oh well...felt popular for a while atleast :p
23:41.39smcnthankfully i have a script to close all queries
23:42.16Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_164143.jpg
23:43.26Chompersoooh Antiarcs pictures
23:43.29Chompersi like those
23:44.43DashkalAntiarc: that right-click menu is full of win
23:45.18Pkekyo|tactfully plonks Ellipsis. Sideways.
23:47.38Stanzillalooks like Antiarc is coding a very useful addon
23:48.15EllipsisI want it
23:49.26AntiarcI'm thinking I may make it a lib
23:49.38AntiarcSo you can just feed it data and Flippy spits it out at you
23:50.01Ackislib office assistant?
23:50.06StanzillaHow about fixing chatter first? :P
23:50.26Ellipsisnooo, flippy > chatter
23:51.35AntiarcLibFlippy-1.0
23:52.02Ellipsisdesigns FlippySwatter
23:52.12AntiarcFlippy has a built-in murder button
23:52.24Ellipsisyeah but it would be so much cooler with a flyswatter-shaped cursor
23:52.30Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/Flippy.zip if you want to try it out
23:52.36Ackisit reminds me of the paperclip from office
23:52.44AntiarcRequires Ace3, and you'll have to /run Flippy:TestNewText() to test it
23:52.54Ellipsisoh, requires ace3 :x
23:52.58AntiarcAckis: You mean "Clippy"?
23:53.17AntiarcIt's not heavily entrenced in Ace3
23:53.20Ackisyup :P
23:53.27AntiarcAnd I'll be abstracting it if I make it a lib
23:53.32Stanzilla>.<
23:53.35AntiarcBut I'm comfy with it and it lets me code quickly :P
23:54.01Ellipsiswasn't implying that, just that I don't have a copy of ace3 and I'm not interested in getting one just to play with flippy :P
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23:55.57Ackisforces Ace3 down Ellipsis' throat.
23:56.14Ellipsisyou're not the first to try that, Ackis ;)
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23:56.20Ackis:O
23:56.30Dashkal....
23:56.54Pkekyo|o.O'
23:57.06Ellipsisby which I am obviously referring to the fact that dominos uses ace3 instead of dongle...why, what did you think I meant?
23:57.45Pkekyo|I don't know, but dongle sounds kinky o.O'
23:58.06Ackisforces dongle down Ellipsis' throat.
23:58.26Ellipsisat least it's smaller.
23:58.28Pkekyo|PERVERTS
23:58.30Ackislol
23:58.59JerleMinarayou people sicken me
23:59.10Ellipsiswhat? I'm just discussing frameworks here

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