| 00:00.20 | NivFreak | We actually one shotted BB last night |
| 00:00.22 | NivFreak | for the 2nd time ever |
| 00:00.24 | NivFreak | I hate that fight |
| 00:00.35 | NivFreak | oddly, we wiped on teron and ros once each |
| 00:00.39 | NivFreak | which is rare |
| 00:01.19 | vithos | how do you usually wipe on BB? |
| 00:01.23 | Tifi | i like BB the most so far |
| 00:01.30 | NivFreak | vithos: fel rage on a mage |
| 00:04.40 | WobWork | those damn mages |
| 00:05.14 | Arrowmaster | fuck im angry |
| 00:05.31 | Tifi | too much coffee? |
| 00:05.32 | Arrowmaster | ep 22 of 25 and now its time for raid so i have to stop |
| 00:05.33 | Xinhuan | healing requirements on BB is substantially reduced if you cast dampen magic on BB groups |
| 00:09.20 | Paene | Anyone know of a good linux equivalent to TortoiseSVN? |
| 00:09.56 | Arrowmaster | doesnt exist |
| 00:10.14 | Arrowmaster | since there isnt one file browser for linux |
| 00:11.00 | NeoTron | BC raiding is falling apart it seems for a lot of guilds |
| 00:11.13 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: seems failimiar |
| 00:11.15 | Xinhuan | always does, when it nears expansion |
| 00:11.24 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: err. bloodboil is physical damage, not magical? |
| 00:11.27 | Arrowmaster | can i cant sepll |
| 00:11.38 | Xinhuan | its magical as far as i know |
| 00:12.19 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: oh btw that depends entirely on distro |
| 00:12.20 | Xinhuan | maybe it was changed |
| 00:13.04 | Xinhuan | err sorry, i guess i meant use "amplify magic" rather than dampen magic |
| 00:13.05 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: but its usually something in /etc or a subdir of /etc named something similiar to rc.local |
| 00:13.12 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: used /etc/init.d :) |
| 00:13.15 | cncfanatics | already fixed now :p |
| 00:13.28 | Xinhuan | because its physical damage |
| 00:13.32 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 00:13.43 | NivFreak | I just got an invite to raid muru from another guild |
| 00:13.45 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: *please* do bloodboil with dampen magic |
| 00:13.47 | cncfanatics | please please please |
| 00:13.50 | NivFreak | why the hell would they want me |
| 00:13.51 | Xinhuan | stabs cncfanatics with a pillow |
| 00:13.53 | NivFreak | they must be failing |
| 00:13.59 | Ellipsis | ~whaleblock cncfanatics |
| 00:14.00 | purl | ACTION shields cncfanatics with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 00:14.05 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:14.08 | cncfanatics | <3 Ellipsis |
| 00:14.15 | Ellipsis | <3 :) |
| 00:14.18 | cncfanatics | ~thank Ellipsis |
| 00:14.18 | purl | gern geschehen, cncfanatics |
| 00:14.43 | cncfanatics | mmm, when you're root, how do you start a process under another user ? |
| 00:14.52 | cncfanatics | I haven't done all this kind of stuff in ages |
| 00:14.53 | Arrowmaster | su |
| 00:14.58 | NivFreak | su or sudo :) |
| 00:15.17 | cncfanatics | I want to start screen -r -m rtorrent under the cncfanatics user |
| 00:15.18 | cncfanatics | could i get an example , :) |
| 00:15.24 | Arrowmaster | man su |
| 00:15.44 | Paene | KDESvn work with kde4? |
| 00:15.50 | Paene | anyone know offhand I should say |
| 00:15.58 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 00:16.22 | Paene | guess I'm about to find out |
| 00:16.53 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: the man ain't helping me any further |
| 00:18.23 | Arrowmaster | su - cncfanatics -c screen -r -m rtorrent |
| 00:18.31 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 00:19.32 | cncfanatics | sudo -u cncfanatics screen -r -m rtorrent works |
| 00:20.03 | Arrowmaster | guessing your root account is configured to not need a password for sudo? |
| 00:20.04 | cncfanatics | gonna run it as nobody though |
| 00:20.10 | cncfanatics | yep |
| 00:20.26 | Arrowmaster | if you run it as nobody can you connect to it later with screen from your account? |
| 00:20.52 | cncfanatics | nop :( |
| 00:20.54 | cncfanatics | just checked |
| 00:20.56 | cncfanatics | thats anoying |
| 00:21.07 | cncfanatics | guess I'll screen from the nobody user |
| 00:21.31 | cncfanatics | can't screen from nobody \o/ |
| 00:21.43 | cncfanatics | guess it'll be running as cncfanatics then |
| 00:22.36 | Arrowmaster | check the sudo man page btw |
| 00:23.02 | Arrowmaster | not sure but it might start screen using roots config and not your own |
| 00:23.39 | cncfanatics | well, the main thing I wanted is people connecting to the screen and killing root couldn't have root access rights |
| 00:23.48 | cncfanatics | idealy I wanted it as nobody, but that aint working heh |
| 00:24.32 | cncfanatics | heh, I have an idea |
| 00:24.44 | cncfanatics | sudo -u cncfanatics screen -r -m rtorrent;exit |
| 00:24.57 | cncfanatics | I want screen to run rtorrent;exit |
| 00:24.59 | cncfanatics | not sudo though |
| 00:25.02 | cncfanatics | how am i going to tell it that |
| 00:25.26 | Arrowmaster | check screen man page? maybe you can tell it to just run then detach |
| 00:26.17 | cncfanatics | -d -m tells it to run and then detack right away |
| 00:26.21 | cncfanatics | its bash that'll misparse here |
| 00:27.16 | cncfanatics | found it |
| 00:31.56 | cncfanatics | bah, no, can't find it |
| 00:32.11 | cncfanatics | seems there's no damn way to not dump you in a shell after the first program running exitted |
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| 00:35.30 | ReAn | Ace3 for WotLK was moved to trunk? |
| 00:35.38 | Groktar | nibbles on ReAn's soul |
| 00:37.58 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: try su instead of sudo |
| 00:40.01 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: it might be because of screen since neither su or sudo should put you in a shell if they are told to run a command |
| 00:42.20 | cncfanatics | it is screen yes :) |
| 00:42.31 | cncfanatics | and thus running su instead of sudo won't change much |
| 00:42.37 | cncfanatics | screen will still dump me to a shell |
| 00:43.03 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 00:43.09 | Arrowmaster | that sounds broken |
| 00:43.18 | steev | cncfanatics: try -D -m |
| 00:43.29 | steev | (capital D not lowercase) |
| 00:44.55 | cncfanatics | steev: thats the reverse |
| 00:45.00 | cncfanatics | it will make screen not fork itself |
| 00:45.04 | cncfanatics | thus screen won't return |
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| 00:46.46 | steev | it should exit the screen session when the program running in it exits |
| 00:47.00 | cncfanatics | no |
| 00:47.13 | cncfanatics | screen runs a shell and then makes that shell exec the program |
| 00:47.23 | cncfanatics | the screen session will thus terminate when the shell does |
| 00:48.14 | steev | im asking some people with screenfu |
| 00:48.21 | steev | wait |
| 00:48.24 | Arrowmaster | oh wait you mean when you exit rtorrent you are in a shell inside screen? |
| 00:48.26 | steev | you want to run rtorrent |
| 00:48.30 | steev | in screen |
| 00:48.35 | steev | and when rtorrent exits |
| 00:48.41 | steev | screen exits yes? |
| 00:48.44 | cncfanatics | yes exactly |
| 00:48.46 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: yes ;) |
| 00:48.47 | steev | -D -m |
| 00:49.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah youll have to find that in the screen config |
| 00:49.36 | steev | you shouldn't be in the screen session at all |
| 00:49.45 | cncfanatics | steev: -D -m causes screen to stay running and not go in the background though |
| 00:49.55 | cncfanatics | which won't do for a startup script as it'll stall the rest |
| 00:51.18 | cncfanatics | -D -m This also starts screen in "detached" mode, but doesnât fork a new process. The command exits if the session terminates. |
| 00:51.29 | steev | hm |
| 00:51.30 | cncfanatics | I don't want the screen command the exit when the session terminates heh |
| 00:51.39 | cncfanatics | I want the session to terminate when the command script ran exits |
| 00:51.50 | steev | pastie this script you are working on |
| 00:51.54 | steev | debian i am assuming? |
| 00:52.12 | steev | well, debian/ubuntu |
| 00:52.22 | steev | eh, debian i would think, ubuntu uses upstart these days |
| 00:52.36 | cncfanatics | debian indeed |
| 00:53.02 | steev | pastie the script please |
| 00:53.10 | cncfanatics | no need for a pastey, its a oneliner :p |
| 00:53.16 | steev | thats fine then :-P |
| 00:53.20 | cncfanatics | sudo -u cncfanatics screen -d -m rtorrent |
| 00:53.37 | cncfanatics | I basicly want screen to run rtorrent;exit |
| 00:53.51 | steev | it should exit when the command exists |
| 00:53.53 | steev | exits* |
| 00:54.05 | cncfanatics | it dumps you to a shell when the command exists :) |
| 00:54.19 | cncfanatics | and doing sudo -u cncfanatics screen -d -m rtorrent;exit will be misunderstood by shell |
| 00:55.10 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I have an idea |
| 00:55.22 | steev | when does rtorrent exit? |
| 00:55.32 | steev | i thought it kept running until you exited it |
| 00:55.46 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 00:55.54 | cncfanatics | and thus, when someone attaches to that screeen |
| 00:55.57 | cncfanatics | makes rtorrent exit |
| 00:56.00 | cncfanatics | he gets a shell |
| 00:56.05 | steev | you want a cheap workaround? |
| 00:56.31 | steev | sudo -u cncfanatics 'screen -d -m rtorrent && exit' |
| 00:57.14 | cncfanatics | won't do :( |
| 00:57.20 | steev | why not? |
| 00:57.37 | cncfanatics | screen -d -m rtorrent && exit will run screen -d -m rtorrent in the background and then call exit |
| 00:57.50 | cncfanatics | I think I found a workaround though |
| 00:58.14 | cncfanatics | I made a script |
| 00:58.19 | cncfanatics | that runs rtorrent;exit |
| 00:58.22 | cncfanatics | and I'll let screen run that |
| 00:58.26 | steev | sudo -u torrentuser screen -S rtorrent -d -m /usr/bin/rtorrent whateverargs |
| 00:58.26 | cncfanatics | should work |
| 00:58.59 | cncfanatics | what does -S do ? |
| 00:59.28 | cncfanatics | oh, session name |
| 01:00.31 | steev | i lost my screenfu long ago :( |
| 01:00.50 | cncfanatics | I found what to do |
| 01:00.52 | cncfanatics | I think |
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| 01:02.25 | steev | i used to do all kinds of crazy things with it because i had to connect to multiple servers every day |
| 01:02.57 | cncfanatics | yep I found it |
| 01:03.11 | cncfanatics | I made a shell script #!/bin/sh rtorrent;exit |
| 01:03.19 | cncfanatics | (with a newline after the first line ofc) |
| 01:03.23 | cncfanatics | and make screen run that |
| 01:03.26 | cncfanatics | so stupidly simple |
| 01:03.31 | steev | heh |
| 01:04.17 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.37 | steev | 80 ap |
| 01:04.47 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 01:05.42 | cncfanatics | its working now \o/ |
| 01:06.01 | cncfanatics | rtorrent running at startup autosnooping and launcher torrents in a dir on the network is win |
| 01:06.28 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: you probably could have just excaped the ; in the original command so it wasnt interpreded by the shell and instead only by screen |
| 01:06.32 | Arrowmaster | with \; |
| 01:07.17 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 01:07.18 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 01:07.29 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: you win the universe |
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| 01:10.45 | Wobster | would you like that giftwrapped? |
| 01:11.01 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: doesn't work for some reason |
| 01:11.07 | cncfanatics | the screen is dead when I do screen -list |
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| 01:15.14 | cncfanatics | ok, now this works I'm going to bed, its bloody 3am :p |
| 01:15.15 | cncfanatics | g'night all |
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| 01:29.48 | steev | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg |
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| 01:46.37 | mykx | KJ down finally :) |
| 01:59.57 | Xelopheris | grats |
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| 02:10.31 | sacarasc | mykx: grats |
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| 02:30.39 | Dashkal | Congratulations :D |
| 02:34.16 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis, nocts: ping |
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| 02:41.24 | Resa | Question.. is there a wrath version of drdamage going? |
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| 02:47.35 | Ellipsis | hay Zhinjio :) |
| 02:47.46 | Ellipsis | got your email I hope? |
| 02:51.19 | fewyn | gotta say |
| 02:51.23 | fewyn | tourguide is pretty awesome |
| 02:51.26 | fewyn | anyone else agree? |
| 02:51.43 | Ellipsis | it is lacking in the ability to make me cookies |
| 02:52.01 | fewyn | i has cookie |
| 02:52.03 | fewyn | s |
| 02:52.08 | fewyn | if you want to drive to florida |
| 02:52.24 | Ellipsis | I can't drive :( ship them here? |
| 02:53.03 | fewyn | i'll eat them sadly before they make it into a box |
| 02:53.11 | Ellipsis | boo, you fail |
| 02:58.36 | fewyn | YAY |
| 02:58.41 | fewyn | my computer should be here thursday |
| 02:59.08 | CIA-51 | 03bigzero * r81555 10AutoProfitX/ (AutoProfitX.lua AutoProfitX.toc proficiencies.lua): |
| 02:59.08 | CIA-51 | AutoProfitX: |
| 02:59.08 | CIA-51 | - Changed the way APX check item usability. Only checks item equip location if the item is an offhand weapon. |
| 02:59.08 | CIA-51 | - Should fix the issue where APX was selling soulbound crossbows. There was an undocumented change in WoW API for crossbow ItemEquipLoc. Changed from INVTYPE_RANGED to INVTYPE_RANGEDRIGHT |
| 02:59.27 | Ellipsis | yeah well mine should be mostly ordered tomorrow |
| 02:59.34 | Ellipsis | so that's like, almost as good!!!11 |
| 03:00.33 | nocts | Zhinjio: pong |
| 03:02.45 | fewyn | thank gawd |
| 03:02.49 | fewyn | no ike will be hitting me |
| 03:11.45 | PProvost|away | Anyone have any thoughts on how to hide the player frame in oUF? I still want to spawn it because sometimes I want it displayed, but I can't seem to hide it. |
| 03:12.04 | PProvost|away | I've tried the kind of thing that works on the Blizz player frame, but it doesn't seem to work on oUF |
| 03:14.46 | Aeyan | oUF you have to program yourself =P |
| 03:15.56 | Aeyan | What do you want to do with the player frame? |
| 03:16.08 | PProvost|away | I know Aeyan |
| 03:16.13 | PProvost|away | I've got my own oUF layout |
| 03:16.25 | PProvost|away | But I can't get the damn player frame to hide |
| 03:16.28 | Aeyan | Ah, I misinterpreted you then |
| 03:16.48 | PProvost|away | In code... under certain circumstance... I want to hide the player frame |
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| 03:17.16 | PProvost|away | Just thought I'd ask before I started hacking on it |
| 03:17.22 | PProvost|away | What I expected to work didn't |
| 03:17.24 | PProvost|away | :) |
| 03:17.29 | Aeyan | Hmm, not sure you can do that |
| 03:17.36 | PProvost|away | Of course you can. :) |
| 03:17.47 | PProvost|away | Just depends how hard I want to push |
| 03:17.49 | PProvost|away | :P |
| 03:21.10 | PProvost|away | Got it |
| 03:21.20 | Aeyan | I'm curious, what did you use? |
| 03:21.41 | PProvost|away | Just replaced the Show method with a dummy function when I wanted it hidden and then put it back when I wanted it sohown |
| 03:21.46 | PProvost|away | s/sohown/shown/ |
| 03:22.08 | Aeyan | Ah |
| 03:27.00 | PProvost|away | With standard Blizz frames, you can Hide() then UnregisterAllEvents when you want it hidden, and then Show() and RegisterEvent() for all the events again when you want to Show |
| 03:27.08 | PProvost|away | But for some reason that didnt' work with oUF |
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| 03:34.19 | Groktar | kj 45% |
| 03:34.20 | Groktar | zomg |
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| 04:18.28 | NeoTron | so although it's hardly conclusive I just did 95 searing pain with zero spell hit and no SH talents against level 75 mobs (at level 72) and I got a miss rate of 11% |
| 04:18.42 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 04:18.56 | Ellipsis | o.o |
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| 04:19.21 | Ellipsis | what, on the 96th cast your hand fell off? |
| 04:19.22 | NeoTron | hardly conclusive of a 9% spell miss rate but closer to 9% than 17% |
| 04:19.31 | Ellipsis | you could have at least made it an even 100 :P |
| 04:19.32 | NeoTron | no the mob died |
| 04:19.42 | Ellipsis | I suppose that works too |
| 04:19.49 | NeoTron | it's very annoying to test now since I have no mana or health without gear, and spells costs a lot of mana even at rank 1 |
| 04:20.15 | NeoTron | if I was level 80 I could test with the dummies but I'm not so |
| 04:20.18 | Ellipsis | get a good "of the eagle" set ;) |
| 04:20.18 | NeoTron | stuff hits back |
| 04:20.18 | WobWork | NeoTron: Why not do 100 casts? |
| 04:20.26 | WobWork | cause that'd've made the stats easier =P |
| 04:20.27 | NeoTron | WobWork: ... because the mob died |
| 04:20.27 | CIA-51 | 03morgalm * r81556 10MorgDKP/ (MorgDKP.lua MorgDKP.toc plugins/morgdkp/Morgexport.php): |
| 04:20.27 | CIA-51 | MorgDKP: |
| 04:20.27 | CIA-51 | - WEB: fix for morgexport numbering DKP wrong if you delete eqdkp+ pools |
| 04:20.41 | WobWork | Excuses |
| 04:20.43 | Ellipsis | honestly WobWork, try to keep up! :P |
| 04:20.47 | NeoTron | recount tells me the stats. 11.7% miss |
| 04:20.55 | WobWork | Terrible! |
| 04:21.02 | NeoTron | 11 to be specific |
| 04:21.18 | NeoTron | I might try again on a test dummy at some point |
| 04:21.41 | WobWork | Mr Boom? |
| 04:21.45 | WobWork | er Dr |
| 04:21.58 | WobWork | oh wait nm |
| 04:22.07 | WobWork | forgot what you were testing |
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| 04:27.44 | NeoTron | 11.7% miss rate with 137 searing pains |
| 04:28.00 | NeoTron | there's these deer or whatever they are that are green and just go and attack me while I'm testing |
| 04:28.03 | NeoTron | really bizarre |
| 04:28.29 | Ellipsis | methinks NeoTron is an herbalist ;) |
| 04:28.38 | NeoTron | miner actually |
| 04:28.51 | Ellipsis | then what are you smoking? :P |
| 04:29.01 | NeoTron | I was killing a furbolg thing and twice now the damn deer thing attacked me unprovoked |
| 04:30.36 | Arrowmaster | it would make sense for them to lower the spell resist % |
| 04:31.13 | Ellipsis | since we'd need around a bajillion hit rating? |
| 04:31.21 | Arrowmaster | 500+ |
| 04:31.28 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 04:31.28 | Ellipsis | I was close |
| 04:31.54 | Arrowmaster | even more since they said you can now hit 100% to hit instead of 99% |
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| 05:13.33 | Groktar | we were wiping at 54% a bunch on kj |
| 05:13.34 | Groktar | hehe |
| 05:13.44 | Groktar | need more dps |
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| 05:58.50 | Groktar | nibbles on your soul |
| 06:04.18 | WobWork | how's it taste? |
| 06:05.28 | Hey-WTF | where do I find documentation on using textures from sharedmedia? trying to modify quartz to show me a small "clip box" (for clipping mindflay after two ticks) ... and it's not working :o |
| 06:05.31 | nevcairiel | he Saroz, sRF worky in beta? |
| 06:08.13 | Primer | !points 315 |
| 06:08.13 | Xinhuan | 315 arena points require 1369(5s), 1513(3s) and 1561(2s) team rating. |
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| 06:09.20 | CIA-51 | MacroBank: |
| 06:09.20 | CIA-51 | -zhCN update |
| 06:15.29 | Thelyna | hmph ... got the clip box showing but it's anchored to the wrong point on my cast bar :o |
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| 06:31.40 | CIA-51 | 03digmouse * r81559 10Acheron/Locales/Locale-zhCN.lua: |
| 06:31.40 | CIA-51 | Acheron: |
| 06:31.41 | CIA-51 | -zhCN update |
| 06:31.41 | CIA-51 | -remove wowui.cn tag as usual. It is and individual not an website that can be part of this community. If you cant do it well, dont do it. |
| 06:32.50 | Sunwind | anyone around? trying to find an addon that allows movement and resizability of the pitbull avatar frame (doesn't give much freedom of the frame itself) |
| 06:33.24 | digmouse | uh u mean u wanna move the portrait around? |
| 06:33.39 | digmouse | not only set it up down or middle? |
| 06:34.07 | Sunwind | yeah |
| 06:34.30 | Sunwind | detach it from the rest of the pitbull bars and put it somewhere else |
| 06:35.03 | digmouse | maybe u can try Zuxana Model Citizen, a standalone 3D portrait addon that can display any part of avatar and put it anywhere |
| 06:36.12 | Thelyna | is anyone actually maintaining Quartz at the moment? |
| 06:36.13 | Sunwind | I tried that but it was really buggy, kept getting errors everytime I clicked buttons and such, and also the avatar was turned into an entire 3D model of my character not just the face area |
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| 06:37.02 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: nocts : ping? |
| 06:37.14 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: nocts : you guys freaking rock. |
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| 06:37.53 | Sunwind | are there no addons like the outdated non-ace "MoveAnything" that would probably work to just mode the portrait frame where I want |
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| 06:40.17 | clad|away | does the "outdated" one not work |
| 06:40.19 | clad|away | ? |
| 06:41.36 | Sunwind | it wouldn't work anyway |
| 06:41.47 | Sunwind | because it cant detach the portrait from pitbull |
| 06:41.59 | Sunwind | it would have to intercept it or something and separate them before pitbull got it |
| 06:42.11 | clad|away | what are you trying to _do_ |
| 06:43.37 | Sunwind | " trying to find an addon that allows movement and resizability of the pitbull avatar frame (doesn't give much freedom of the frame itself)" |
| 06:47.49 | clad|away | you still want it as part of the pitbull frame? |
| 06:47.54 | clad|away | or placed somewhere else? |
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| 06:49.20 | Sunwind | http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7671/wowscrnshot090908073013cx7.jpg I want the portrait into the box on the right of the player unit frames |
| 06:51.09 | clad|away | hrm, not sure how you'd best accomplish that in Pitbull =/ |
| 06:54.41 | charon | perhaps if you can find a mod that does _only_ portraits, you can disable the builtin ones in pitbull and use that instead? |
| 06:54.56 | Zhinjio | I was just going to say |
| 06:54.59 | charon | iirc pitbull can't separate the portrait from the bars, it can only arrange them in various ways |
| 06:55.11 | Zhinjio | yeah, they're kinda stuck together. |
| 06:56.27 | Sunwind | that's the idea charon but I can't find any portrait only mods which can allow me to move it around and resize it |
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| 07:36.17 | Elkano | Megalon: ping |
| 07:36.38 | Megalon | ye |
| 07:37.23 | Elkano | thanks for reminding ^^ I intended to add that filter when they changed the return values but due to the secure canceling stuff I totaly forgot about it ^^' |
| 07:37.26 | Megalon | i read afterwards on the wowui comments that you already plan to implement such a filter |
| 07:37.41 | Megalon | oh, np :P |
| 07:38.37 | Elkano | damn... world server down :/ |
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| 07:40.53 | Megalon | northrend part of colderra is down for hours now, little sucker :< |
| 07:41.17 | jy__ | :) |
| 07:41.37 | jy__ | i will be up again when i got back from work |
| 07:42.23 | Elkano | sadly both of my chars are there :/ should have shipped my DK back yesterday :/ |
| 07:47.45 | Megalon | i have always at least one char parked at an AH, at least now i can /who dalaran and see that 0 players are there! |
| 07:48.45 | Elkano | hmm... I could simply push my code to the SVN and have you test it :P |
| 07:48.48 | jy__ | shattrath is the safest |
| 07:48.53 | jy__ | maybe darnassus |
| 07:49.14 | jy__ | deeprun tram & instances excepted |
| 07:49.14 | Elkano | Stockade? ;) |
| 07:49.53 | Megalon | or you make yourself a new dk >:P |
| 07:51.28 | Megalon | but feel free to push it ;> |
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| 08:04.04 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 08:13.14 | CIA-51 | 03elkano 07WotLK * r81560 10ElkBuffBars/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:13.14 | CIA-51 | ElkBuffBars |
| 08:13.14 | CIA-51 | - added filter for buffs you casted yourself |
| 08:13.14 | CIA-51 | - Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p) / down world server is down :( |
| 08:13.14 | CIA-51 | ~lart Ackis |
| 08:13.14 | purl | installs PocketPC on Ackis's PDA |
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| 08:15.44 | Megalon | i'll test it with my orgrimmar shamy :P |
| 08:16.24 | Adirelle|work | Elkano: how do you filter buffs your casted yourself ? with the 8th return value (untilCanceled) ? |
| 08:16.36 | Megalon | no with isMine i think :> |
| 08:16.52 | Elkano | Adirelle|work, untilCanceled is gone in WotLK |
| 08:16.57 | Adirelle|work | aaw |
| 08:17.15 | Adirelle|work | it explains some weirdness I saw with Yatba then |
| 08:17.24 | Adirelle|work | what it is now ? isMine ? |
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| 08:17.40 | Elkano | now you have isMine and canDispel iirc |
| 08:18.22 | Adirelle|work | actually it is isMine and isStealable |
| 08:18.23 | Megalon | Elkano: the options don't work, all 3 got the checkmark set |
| 08:19.33 | Elkano | hmm.... strange |
| 08:19.41 | Megalon | http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=ebb56z.jpg |
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| 08:19.53 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 08:19.59 | NivFreak | so I copied a premade warrior over |
| 08:20.05 | NivFreak | I guess they only want them to test pvp? |
| 08:20.27 | Elkano | oh, copied the wrong settings table ^^ |
| 08:20.32 | Megalon | oh and, whenever i click one of those, the timers on the buffs get reset ;> |
| 08:20.36 | Megalon | k :P |
| 08:22.22 | Elkano | oh... fuck... that's a design error... I changed some internal stuff wrt time when porting to the WotLK API... |
| 08:25.17 | Groktar | will never forgive Elkano for this egregious mistake |
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| 08:29.45 | CIA-51 | 03whitetooth * r81561 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: koKR update by jyounkim |
| 08:29.53 | CIA-51 | 03adirelle * r81562 10Yatba/Yatba.lua: Yatba: attempt to fix WotLK last change to UnitAura (drycoded). |
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| 08:35.48 | CIA-51 | 03elkano 07WotLK * r81563 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.lua: |
| 08:35.49 | CIA-51 | ElkBuffBars |
| 08:35.49 | CIA-51 | - bug fixing |
| 08:35.49 | CIA-51 | - Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p) / down world server is down :( |
| 08:35.49 | CIA-51 | ~lart Megalon |
| 08:35.49 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Megalon until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 08:37.10 | Groktar | shoots the squirrels and eats them for dinner |
| 08:38.04 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 08:38.09 | Megalon | hm, at least it's no more multitoggle! |
| 08:38.22 | NivFreak | prot does pretty good dps in arena gear |
| 08:38.23 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 08:38.34 | NivFreak | why the hell don't we have pve gear on premades |
| 08:38.39 | Megalon | but i can't change the option, bugsack stays empty : |
| 08:39.01 | Aiiane | are you talking about warriors or pallies, NivFreak |
| 08:39.36 | NivFreak | Aiiane: warrior |
| 08:40.20 | Megalon | ah wait |
| 08:41.12 | Aiiane | NivFreak: ok, the world is still sane. :P |
| 08:41.26 | Megalon | Elkano: can't change it to white/blacklist, stays at don't filter :O |
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| 08:44.39 | Megalon | you forgot to get rid of the 'k' variable when copying the type options table, after that i can at least change the options :> |
| 08:45.32 | Elkano | oh, yeah ^^ |
| 08:46.32 | NivFreak | note to self |
| 08:46.36 | NivFreak | don't pvp without sound |
| 08:46.39 | CIA-51 | 03elkano 07WotLK * r81564 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.lua: |
| 08:46.40 | CIA-51 | ElkBuffBars |
| 08:46.40 | CIA-51 | - bug fixing² |
| 08:46.40 | CIA-51 | - Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p) / down world server is down :( |
| 08:46.40 | CIA-51 | ~botsnack |
| 08:46.40 | purl | aw, gee, CIA-51 |
| 08:48.29 | Megalon | it shows my watershield when i set it to blacklist, and hides it when i whitelist :> |
| 08:48.52 | Adirelle|work | hmm |
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| 08:49.08 | Adirelle|work | what's the third argument of AceCfgDlg:AddToBlizOptions is supposed to be ? the parent name ? |
| 08:49.11 | Megalon | northrend up btw |
| 08:49.22 | Pkekyo| | eh...how do I report my account as hacked? >.< |
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| 08:50.26 | Aiiane | aroo? |
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| 08:57.35 | Groktar | sets up a meth lab in Aiiane's house and then calls the cops on him |
| 08:57.36 | CIA-51 | 03scorpio0920 * r81565 10MacroBank/ (Locale-zhTW.lua Locales.xml): |
| 08:57.36 | CIA-51 | MacroBank: |
| 08:57.36 | CIA-51 | - Added zhTW localization. |
| 08:59.11 | CIA-51 | 03elkano 07WotLK * r81566 10ElkBuffBars/ (EBB_BarGroup.lua ElkBuffBars.lua): |
| 08:59.11 | CIA-51 | ElkBuffBars |
| 08:59.11 | CIA-51 | - bug fixing³ |
| 08:59.11 | CIA-51 | - Wet-coded (+ compiles with luac -p) / up world server is up :) |
| 08:59.13 | CIA-51 | ~lart Elkano |
| 08:59.13 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack Elkano |
| 08:59.36 | Groktar | gets the killer squirrels hopped up on the meth he cookie in Aiiane's room |
| 08:59.53 | Megalon | orrr, works elkano, thx :D |
| 09:00.31 | Elkano | you're welcome ^^ problem was a typo when checking the filter ^^ |
| 09:01.43 | Megalon | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 09:01.50 | Megalon | there it goes again :( |
| 09:02.33 | Aiiane | ....what, Groktar? |
| 09:02.39 | Aiiane | (and im not a him :|) |
| 09:03.48 | Groktar | hehe, scroll up |
| 09:04.27 | Elkano | Megalon :? |
| 09:04.37 | Aiiane | scroll up to what Groktar? :S |
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| 09:05.30 | Groktar | * Groktar sets up a meth lab in Aiiane's house and then calls the cops on him |
| 09:06.17 | Aiiane | that's what my "what" was about :x |
| 09:11.22 | NivFreak | wow, so people are having no problems doing 10man naxx in starter pvp gear |
| 09:11.25 | NivFreak | I hope they retune that |
| 09:11.26 | NivFreak | haha |
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| 09:15.03 | CIA-51 | 03scorpio0920 * r81567 10MacroBank/ (Locale-zhCN.lua Locale-zhTW.lua): |
| 09:15.03 | CIA-51 | MacroBank: |
| 09:15.03 | CIA-51 | -Update zhCN & zhTW localization. |
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| 09:20.43 | CIA-51 | SimpleSelfRebuff: |
| 09:20.45 | CIA-51 | - tweaked the configuration panel, using ol' AceConfigDialog again, |
| 09:20.47 | CIA-51 | - moved debug options to a "secret" panel ("/ssr debug"). |
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| 09:41.03 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 09:41.16 | nevcairiel | aura_refresh and aura_applied_dose not sending owner info |
| 09:41.23 | nevcairiel | fix pls! |
| 09:41.26 | Fisker- | lol nevcairiel |
| 09:41.32 | Fisker- | blizzard doesn't care about EU :D |
| 09:41.46 | nevcairiel | not like its an EU-only feature |
| 09:42.03 | Fisker- | wasn't talking about the event |
| 09:42.10 | Fisker- | They're not making premades for EU |
| 09:42.17 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 09:42.19 | nevcairiel | and i dont care |
| 09:42.33 | nevcairiel | I have a lvl 80 char |
| 09:42.55 | nevcairiel | premades usually gets that idiots on 80 that never played a 70 before |
| 09:43.10 | Fisker- | duh |
| 09:44.28 | Elkano | :( |
| 09:45.10 | thul | http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/252/c/f/Ina__watch_my_back_by_tariq12.jpg <- there is something about really fit gurls that make my brain go "wooophaa" |
| 09:45.17 | nevcairiel | If they fix the two missing events in the combatlog |
| 09:45.22 | nevcairiel | i can so much simplify hotcandy |
| 09:50.07 | Adirelle|work | nevcairiel: _refresh and _dose are the only two events that miss the source ? |
| 09:50.14 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 09:50.27 | Arrowmaster | wait what? |
| 09:50.27 | nevcairiel | well i didnt test stolen |
| 09:50.40 | Arrowmaster | aura_applied has source info now? |
| 09:50.49 | nevcairiel | 9/9 11:38:21.948 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x000000000006FAE4,"Nevcairiel",0x10511,0x000000000006FAE4,"Nevcairiel",0x10511,48441,"Rejuvenation",0x8,BUFF |
| 09:50.49 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 09:50.52 | nevcairiel | so does REMOVED |
| 09:50.57 | Arrowmaster | HOLY SHIT |
| 09:51.18 | Arrowmaster | they had claimed the client didnt have that info at the time of the combatlog event |
| 09:51.28 | nevcairiel | maybe it didnt |
| 09:51.29 | nevcairiel | but has now |
| 09:51.31 | Arrowmaster | only works for your own right? |
| 09:51.36 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 09:51.47 | Arrowmaster | you should test it |
| 09:51.52 | Arrowmaster | guessing its only your own |
| 09:52.45 | nevcairiel | 9/9 11:38:53.696 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x00000000000A63BE,"Etherya",0x518,0x00000000000A63BE,"Etherya",0x518,25431,"Inner Fire",0x2,BUFF |
| 09:52.47 | nevcairiel | thats not me |
| 09:52.48 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 09:52.55 | Arrowmaster | oh shit! |
| 09:53.18 | nevcairiel | _DOSE and _REFRESH are still missing it |
| 09:53.23 | nevcairiel | or HotCandy would be so easy |
| 09:53.56 | Zyndrome | bars! everywhere! |
| 09:54.01 | nevcairiel | the combatlog even tracks lifebloom properly now |
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| 09:56.14 | winkiller | mhm, cpu profiling shows me that ratingbuster eats more cpu than cartographer. shouldn't that be just some calculations on display? (quite sure ace libs aren |
| 09:56.20 | Adirelle|work | nevcairiel: ? what was the issue with lifebloom ? |
| 09:56.25 | winkiller | 't counted for it, both too low for that) |
| 09:56.40 | nevcairiel | 9/9 11:55:04.580 SPELL_HEAL,0x000000000006FAE4,"Nevcairiel",0x511,0x000000000006E820,"Hotchocolaté",0x518,33778,"Lifebloom",0x8,2127,2127,nil |
| 09:56.43 | nevcairiel | thats the final tic |
| 09:56.55 | nevcairiel | before Lifebloom was always attributed to the person that received the heal |
| 09:56.58 | nevcairiel | the final tic, that is |
| 09:57.02 | Adirelle|work | oh |
| 09:57.02 | Fisker- | kisses nevcairiel >:3 |
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| 09:57.18 | Adirelle|work | more accurate meters then |
| 09:57.19 | jy__ | and the aggro ? |
| 09:57.25 | thul | kisses Fisker- |
| 09:58.01 | jy__ | lifebloom/pom/etc aggro is now counted for the healer or the target ? |
| 09:58.11 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 09:58.17 | nevcairiel | not that it ever really matterd |
| 09:58.25 | Kalroth_ | it does on pulls |
| 09:58.31 | jy__ | pom a tank before pull is great |
| 09:58.32 | Adirelle|work | heals don't count 50% for the healer and 50% for the target ? |
| 09:58.36 | Kalroth_ | or multiple trash adds |
| 09:58.42 | winkiller | "I have to keep it rolling. I'll aggro" |
| 09:58.43 | nevcairiel | no heals only count for the healer |
| 09:59.06 | nevcairiel | the final lifebloom tic hat a substantially reduced aggro anyway |
| 09:59.28 | Fisker- | haxes thul |
| 10:00.20 | Fisker- | anyone else having issues with the EU forums_ |
| 10:00.21 | Fisker- | ? |
| 10:00.33 | winkiller | there are people spamming it |
| 10:00.37 | Adirelle|work | oh, i see, heals generate 50% of healed amount as threat, I think I reat |
| 10:00.53 | winkiller | loads very slow, if at all, Fisker- |
| 10:00.58 | Adirelle|work | I think I read that a long time ago and partially forgot it |
| 10:01.01 | Fisker- | :( |
| 10:02.36 | Adirelle|work | nevcairiel: is otcandy restricted to known units ? (player/party/pet/target/focus) |
| 10:02.49 | Adirelle|work | +h |
| 10:02.49 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:02.51 | nevcairiel | it works on the name |
| 10:03.06 | Adirelle|work | planning to switch on GUID ? |
| 10:03.22 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 10:03.30 | nevcairiel | not like the GUID is needed for anything |
| 10:03.32 | Adirelle|work | nvm |
| 10:03.50 | Adirelle|work | overlooked the "hot" part ... |
| 10:04.05 | nevcairiel | its just a HoT tracker |
| 10:04.08 | nevcairiel | mostly for druids |
| 10:04.26 | nevcairiel | I've been debating with myself if it should track Flourish |
| 10:04.32 | nevcairiel | but it would generate soo many bars |
| 10:04.34 | nevcairiel | that wouldnt be good |
| 10:05.25 | Adirelle|work | some people asked if Yatba could display buttons instead of bars |
| 10:06.03 | Adirelle|work | because it could be less floody |
| 10:07.55 | Trell- | whats the addon that adds AtlastLoot info to the normal game tooltip (iirc, it adds a Source: XXXXX to all loot items) |
| 10:07.58 | winkiller | I still haven't found a decent lifebloom tracker :( |
| 10:08.14 | winkiller | Trell-: mendeleev maybe |
| 10:08.24 | Zhinjio | no, I have that one. one sec. |
| 10:08.50 | [dRaCo] | so what's the DR/cooldown tracker you guys are using? |
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| 10:09.51 | winkiller | various ones for different classes |
| 10:09.57 | winkiller | and not really ok with any |
| 10:10.04 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 10:10.14 | winkiller | Forte_Warlock is ok |
| 10:10.20 | Zhinjio | Trell. one of my addons does it, but I'mnot sure which |
| 10:10.46 | [dRaCo] | what about antagonist? |
| 10:10.47 | winkiller | I'm quite sure it's Mendeleev |
| 10:11.02 | Zhinjio | I don't use mendeleev |
| 10:11.05 | winkiller | been a while since I tried Antagonist |
| 10:11.12 | Zhinjio | and I don't use antagonist |
| 10:11.15 | winkiller | Zhinjio: several addons can do that :P |
| 10:11.20 | Zhinjio | yeah, true |
| 10:11.28 | Zhinjio | looking again... |
| 10:12.03 | digmouse | Antagonist dont have DR in it' |
| 10:12.13 | digmouse | maybe u can try Omniscience |
| 10:12.51 | thul | so u liek cleavage Pkekyo| ?! |
| 10:12.52 | thul | HUH?! |
| 10:13.23 | Zhinjio | maybe wowequip>? no. hmm. |
| 10:13.53 | Zhinjio | it was something I started using recently, I think |
| 10:14.45 | Zhinjio | meh. I don't know. |
| 10:14.58 | Zhinjio | trying a quick search. |
| 10:15.05 | Trell- | Zhinjio; likewise, I recently had to redo my whole UI from scratch, and the functionality isn't there anymore |
| 10:15.17 | Trell- | even though I was sure I'd reinstalled everything I had before >< |
| 10:15.33 | Zhinjio | ah, gotcha. searching. one moment. |
| 10:15.44 | Zhinjio | ah |
| 10:15.46 | Zhinjio | altoholic |
| 10:15.50 | Trell- | thats it! |
| 10:15.50 | Zhinjio | that was it |
| 10:15.54 | Trell- | I knew I forgot something. |
| 10:15.55 | Trell- | cheers1 |
| 10:17.12 | Fisker- | slaps Zhinjio around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:17.16 | Zhinjio | wow, pulled that one out of a hat. |
| 10:17.17 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:18.17 | Trell- | <3 Zhinjio |
| 10:18.23 | Trell- | all working now. |
| 10:20.19 | Trell- | and..last question for now, wasn't there a tiny Ace mod (or any other really) that limits the amount of Soul Shards you gain - and destroys any above a user specified number? |
| 10:21.22 | Aiiane | eeshards? |
| 10:21.38 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 10:21.45 | Zhinjio | no problem Trell- |
| 10:21.55 | Zhinjio | all hail the power of grep |
| 10:22.04 | Aiiane | indeed |
| 10:22.20 | Trell- | ty. |
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| 10:30.50 | Fisker- | fast forums are faaaaaaast |
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| 10:44.18 | Zyndrome | fastorums |
| 10:45.15 | Megalon | fatsorums |
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| 10:57.21 | Ellipsis | licks Zhinjio |
| 10:58.04 | Stanzilla | licks Ellipsis |
| 10:58.27 | Fisker- | licks Ellipsis, Zhinjio and Stanzilla |
| 10:58.50 | Stanzilla | gross |
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| 10:58.55 | Stanzilla | roundhouselick |
| 10:59.06 | Ellipsis | epic lick-raep |
| 11:00.05 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
| 11:00.16 | Zhinjio | thanks so much. |
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| 11:16.49 | Adirelle|work | nquestLog used to add quest mob count into their tooltips |
| 11:16.53 | Adirelle|work | even in cowtip |
| 11:17.00 | Adirelle|work | but it seems this doesn't work anymore |
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| 11:17.42 | Adirelle|work | they are added again when I disable cowtip lines |
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| 11:18.09 | Adirelle|work | does anyone have some clue of a line or option that should our shouldn't be used in cowtip ? |
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| 11:21.35 | digmouse | u mean dogtag command? |
| 11:23.43 | [dRaCo] | omniscience doesnt track DRs :/ |
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| 11:24.42 | thul | http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/34/263434.jpg <- Ellipsis |
| 11:26.44 | orionshock | meh, if you have to track your DR's then you either are completely OCD or suck |
| 11:26.46 | orionshock | :\ |
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| 11:39.58 | Pkekyo| | I never fucked a 10, but one night I fucked five 2s... And I think that ought to count! |
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| 11:41.50 | thul | I'm only dating 10s... why go for less? :-P |
| 11:45.50 | ag` | five 2s |
| 11:45.55 | ag` | :> |
| 11:46.12 | FinalX | dating 10s is not the same as fucking 10s though :p |
| 11:46.57 | thul | well, I fuck those i date, as a rule :-P |
| 11:47.10 | thul | girls like arrogant assholes, and I'm a natural. |
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| 11:52.14 | Wraithan | Completely looks wise, my girlfriend is a 5 |
| 11:53.02 | Wraithan | But that doesn't count for everything... been with a couple 8+'s that were lousy in the sack |
| 11:53.36 | Wraithan | Anyone ever use octopus? |
| 11:54.50 | Wraithan | It is pretty neat |
| 11:56.35 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 11:56.46 | kenlyric | that's a fairly odd transition... |
| 11:57.04 | JoshBorke | i have no idea where that came from |
| 11:57.06 | kenlyric | unless tentacle porn was your objective |
| 11:57.25 | Megalon | oh, is it tentacle rape time? |
| 11:57.31 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:00.58 | Wraithan | heh |
| 12:01.03 | Wraithan | I mean the multiplexer |
| 12:01.15 | durcyn | [dRaCo]: no, not yet, since blizzard fucked up aura refreshes in the 2.4 combat log |
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| 12:04.50 | Zyndrome | Any chance the 3.0.2 PTR will go up soon ? |
| 12:04.50 | Zyndrome | Yes. (Source) |
| 12:04.51 | Zyndrome | oh snap |
| 12:05.24 | nevcairiel | soon is a very flexible term when used by blizzard |
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| 12:06.00 | Zyndrome | christmas |
| 12:06.49 | CIA-51 | 03ananhaid * r81569 10Recount/locales/ (Recount-zhCN.lua Recount-zhTW.lua): |
| 12:06.49 | CIA-51 | Recount: |
| 12:06.49 | CIA-51 | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
| 12:08.12 | Stanzilla | ~soon |
| 12:08.13 | purl | [soon] well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
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| 12:19.11 | Pkekyo| | what the flying fuck |
| 12:19.11 | Pkekyo| | torrent transfer speed: 9328,6 KB/s |
| 12:19.33 | jy__ | Pkekyo|: that's pr0n |
| 12:19.38 | Pkekyo| | another torrent is running on 20k + |
| 12:19.43 | Pkekyo| | jy__: eh? |
| 12:19.56 | jy__ | high download speed are pr0n |
| 12:20.01 | jy__ | with drm |
| 12:20.05 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 12:20.05 | jy__ | :) |
| 12:20.15 | Pkekyo| | no, this isn't porn...and hopefully not DRMed :) |
| 12:20.22 | jy__ | ^^ |
| 12:21.29 | Pkekyo| | it's starship troopers :O |
| 12:21.55 | Funkeh` | drm'd porn? what the fuck? |
| 12:21.58 | Pkekyo| | damn you...you made me check wether or not I'd downloaded some pornflick named "starshit poopers" instead :p |
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| 12:23.37 | Adirelle|work | lol |
| 12:24.37 | Pkekyo| | a pornflick with a name like that has to be fiercly kinky o.O' |
| 12:25.45 | Pkekyo| | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fail-owned-island-car-fail.jpg |
| 12:25.46 | Pkekyo| | chuckles |
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| 12:29.13 | Pkekyo| | Not in cruelty, not in wrath, the reaper came today; An angel visited this gray path, and took the cube away. |
| 12:30.39 | Funkeh` | k |
| 12:31.15 | Pkekyo| | the fact that noone recognizes that quote fucking hurts my feelings |
| 12:31.54 | Funkeh` | k |
| 12:31.58 | Camci | pats. |
| 12:32.38 | Pkekyo| | :( |
| 12:33.39 | thul | pats Pkekyo| |
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| 12:33.54 | Pkekyo| | rolls over...for no apparent reason... |
| 12:35.54 | ckknight | The Reaper and the Flowers by Henry Longfellow? |
| 12:36.08 | Adirelle|work | a parody of it in portal ? |
| 12:36.19 | Pkekyo| | Adirelle|work: THANK YOU <3 |
| 12:36.27 | Adirelle|work | Pkekyo|: thanks google... |
| 12:36.34 | Pkekyo| | kinda figured...but still :p |
| 12:36.36 | Funkeh` | owned |
| 12:36.40 | Adirelle|work | http://hicsuntdracones.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/the-cake-is-a-lie/ |
| 12:40.37 | CIA-51 | 03next96 07WotLK * r81570 10ElkBuffBars/locales/ElkBuffBars.koKR.lua: |
| 12:40.37 | CIA-51 | ElkBuffBars |
| 12:40.37 | CIA-51 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 12:51.57 | ckknight | cake is a lie. pie is the only truth there is. |
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| 12:56.39 | Pneumatus | ckknight: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=877 |
| 12:56.44 | Pneumatus | blizzard disagree! |
| 12:57.12 | ckknight | hehe |
| 12:57.15 | Pkekyo| | err...how are you supposed to react when someone say 'god bless you'? :P |
| 12:57.33 | ckknight | say thank you |
| 12:57.50 | Pkekyo| | subtle, yet efficient...seems reasonable |
| 12:58.17 | Fisker- | herr ckknight |
| 12:58.46 | nocts | Pkekyo|: It's better than the "No thanks" approach I used to take. |
| 12:58.56 | nocts | Generally meet less hostility the other way. |
| 12:58.59 | Pkekyo| | nocts: true |
| 12:59.19 | Pkekyo| | even though you do not support nor condone it, it's not necessary to insult their beliefs |
| 12:59.23 | Fisker- | titles are going to be kinda meh in teh expansion ;_; |
| 12:59.29 | Stanzilla | "god who?" |
| 12:59.39 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 12:59.41 | nocts | Pkekyo|: True. I'm trying to push a bit beyond my cynical phase. |
| 12:59.51 | Pneumatus | do bhuddists say "gods bless you"? |
| 13:00.00 | Pkekyo| | "Allah protect you, my brother" could be an interesting twist :p |
| 13:00.03 | nocts | I was a Christian for a very long time, perhaps it's just bitterness. |
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| 13:00.21 | Pkekyo| | "Catholic...Which I was until I reached the age of reason..." :p |
| 13:00.29 | nocts | lol |
| 13:00.34 | Pkekyo| | - George Carlin |
| 13:00.38 | ckknight | buddhists have no god, there is only Nirvana, self-reflection, the buddhas, who were enlightened men, etc. |
| 13:00.49 | ckknight | actually that depends on whether they're Mahayana or Theravada |
| 13:00.53 | nocts | ^ |
| 13:00.54 | nocts | THANK YOU |
| 13:00.58 | nocts | I was going to beat you with my cock. |
| 13:01.04 | Fisker- | you are my god ckknight |
| 13:01.11 | ckknight | no rebuttal. |
| 13:01.16 | Pkekyo| | hmm...does god touch himself at night? |
| 13:01.21 | Pneumatus | how about hindus, they have multiple gods, right? |
| 13:01.30 | nocts | Certain sects of Buddhism does treat budda as a god. |
| 13:01.49 | ckknight | nocts: right, the Mahayana |
| 13:01.54 | Obelixprime | how much spell hit for 1% at level 80? |
| 13:02.04 | cncfanatics | Obelixprime: a few millions hit rating |
| 13:02.06 | nocts | *do |
| 13:02.07 | Pneumatus | >9k |
| 13:02.16 | ckknight | Pneumatus: yes, though some treat them all as reflections of the Brahman |
| 13:02.30 | ckknight | Pneumatus: all different ways to connect to Brahman |
| 13:02.43 | Stanzilla | I just read "Batman" >.< |
| 13:03.07 | nocts | lol |
| 13:05.07 | Megalon | Obelixprime: ~26.3 |
| 13:06.02 | Megalon | or let's say something betwee 26 and 27 hit rating for 1% |
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| 13:06.50 | Obelixprime | thanks |
| 13:07.33 | kenlyric | when do wowace future plans become wowace current plans? |
| 13:07.37 | Megalon | my 120 hit evaluates to 4.57% according to the charscreen :) |
| 13:07.52 | cncfanatics | kenlyric: www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
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| 13:07.58 | Fisker- | doesn't matter kenlyric |
| 13:08.03 | Fisker- | the world ends in 18 hours |
| 13:08.09 | Maldivia | Megalon: at 80? |
| 13:08.11 | Fisker- | make peace with your maker |
| 13:08.18 | cncfanatics | ~soon |
| 13:08.18 | purl | somebody said soon was well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 13:08.37 | Megalon | Maldivia: yes |
| 13:09.05 | Megalon | and 3.66% melee hit, hooray! ;> |
| 13:09.07 | Maldivia | Megalon: that seems right |
| 13:09.46 | Maldivia | 30.6287 rating pr hit% at 80 |
| 13:10.54 | Maldivia | or it was when beta started, haven't updated my table since |
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| 13:14.28 | Tigerdyr | hm.. this makes no sense.. Our MT Warrior cannot tank Archimonde, yet the beartank has less problems being kept alive. |
| 13:15.28 | Tigerdyr | went from 89%'s attempts to 51% attempts, just by changing tank |
| 13:16.13 | nocts | Why does wowinterface.com have a huge ass pirates advert? |
| 13:16.34 | Kalroth_ | mmm, huge ass |
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| 13:17.06 | Maldivia | Kalroth_: and a digital version of Johnny Depp |
| 13:17.37 | Adirelle|work | ~soon |
| 13:17.38 | purl | rumour has it, soon is well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 13:20.11 | ckknight | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/09/08/watch.jpeg |
| 13:22.21 | Maldivia | ckknight: Spore reference? |
| 13:22.39 | ckknight | no, evolution reference |
| 13:23.46 | Maldivia | ohh well, all the DRM talks recently about Spore apparently got me thinking of that - but then again, Spore is about evolution aswell |
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| 13:27.49 | Pkekyo| | christ... Starship Troopers 3 is so utterly shitty it's not even funny |
| 13:28.25 | Fisker- | who would've thought? |
| 13:28.38 | Fisker- | besides for the whole world of course |
| 13:28.46 | Pkekyo| | I didn't think anything could be worse than the second movie |
| 13:28.59 | Pkekyo| | but the fucking actors in 3 can't even fucking speak english |
| 13:29.26 | Fisker- | wouldn't you be surprised if they had the budget to get actors that could? |
| 13:30.04 | Pkekyo| | not really...for some reason people actually paid to watch the second movie in theatres soeh... |
| 13:30.25 | Fisker- | wouldn't even pirate the movie if i were paid for it |
| 13:30.33 | Fisker- | Unless i could choose not to watch it |
| 13:30.54 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 13:31.33 | Pkekyo| | yeah, SST2 was so horrible it's not even funny |
| 13:34.40 | Fisker- | still waiting to brutally murder the person who said that postal had some funny moments |
| 13:35.13 | _SunTsu | Pkekyo|: Who would watch SST2, anyway? |
| 13:36.16 | Pkekyo| | _SunTsu: I did...once...partly by accident :p |
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| 13:41.03 | _SunTsu | Pkekyo|: I admit I thought about renting it once. Right before laughing so hard I nearly died |
| 13:41.59 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 13:42.10 | Pkekyo| | I wouldn't have considered paying for watching it |
| 13:42.19 | thul | hmm |
| 13:42.21 | thul | what? |
| 13:42.22 | thul | sst2? |
| 13:42.30 | Pkekyo| | aye |
| 13:43.13 | thul | what is that? |
| 13:43.18 | thul | street sighter tvåan? |
| 13:43.27 | Tem | Any ret pally: ping? |
| 13:43.34 | _SunTsu | thul: StarshipTroopers2 |
| 13:44.05 | durcyn | oh, ye gods, starship troopers 2 made my brain ache |
| 13:44.23 | _SunTsu | If it was by Verhoeven, but because it's not there is no ways it isn't complete rubbish |
| 13:47.28 | thul | _SunTsu: people actually watch that crap? :-( |
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| 13:50.33 | _SunTsu | thul: Pkekyo| seems to |
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| 13:55.29 | Fisker- | yeah Tem i'm retarded and a paladin |
| 13:55.30 | Fisker- | lolol |
| 13:56.50 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, I'm your daddy |
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| 13:57.07 | Fisker- | nah Funkeh` |
| 13:57.10 | Fisker- | i'm your daddy |
| 13:57.47 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, But I was your daddy first |
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| 14:06.39 | nocts | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10531-_Cursor.html |
| 14:06.43 | nocts | Well that's kind of neat. |
| 14:08.33 | Pkekyo| | rofl...they did the arachnid animations even worse in the 2008 movie than the 1996 movie :p |
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| 14:09.12 | Zyndrome | gliding along the ground in reference-pose? |
| 14:09.19 | Zyndrome | that would be awesome |
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| 14:15.15 | cncfanatics | nocts: pretty nice |
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| 14:30.13 | Fisker- | nevcairiel >:3 |
| 14:30.14 | Fisker- | http://www.pc-cooling.de/Cases/Aluminium+-+Tower/Lian+Li/600077910/Lian+Li+TYR+PC-X2000.html |
| 14:30.16 | Fisker- | do want |
| 14:30.31 | nevcairiel | so buy? |
| 14:31.07 | Fisker- | i'm not german >:3 |
| 14:31.14 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: you don't get it, he wants you to buy it for him |
| 14:31.25 | Zhinjio | G'morning, nocts. Thanks again. |
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| 14:32.09 | nocts | nomnomnom Zhinjio |
| 14:32.20 | nocts | I have no idea how I ended up getting three beta keys, but all the merrier O.o |
| 14:32.43 | Zhinjio | Indeed! |
| 14:32.51 | Fisker- | nah cncfanatics |
| 14:33.03 | Fisker- | if i got it from germany i know tons of nevcairiel will kick and destroy my beautiful case |
| 14:33.08 | Fisker- | nevcairiel's* |
| 14:33.23 | nevcairiel | I'll personally see to that |
| 14:33.40 | nevcairiel | but whats your problem? |
| 14:33.43 | nevcairiel | you can pay with paypal |
| 14:33.46 | nevcairiel | and they ship to dk |
| 14:34.13 | thul | nocts: GIEF |
| 14:34.14 | thul | NOW |
| 14:34.16 | thul | GIEF GIEF GIEF |
| 14:34.17 | thul | NOW |
| 14:34.18 | thul | GIEF |
| 14:34.19 | thul | etc |
| 14:34.28 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.41 | Fisker- | nevcairiel that you're going to be destroying my case >:E |
| 14:34.41 | *** mode/#wowace [-v thul] by ckknight |
| 14:34.48 | nocts | thul: I already gave one to Ellipsis <3, used one for myself, and I think Zhinjio's recovering wife is more important than your promise of cock an balls. |
| 14:35.15 | nevcairiel | his wife needs all her time, no time for playing! |
| 14:35.16 | Fisker- | -o me ckknight |
| 14:35.19 | nocts | If I somehow manage to have Blizzard send me a fourth, I'll consider it. |
| 14:35.31 | thul | nocts:/ |
| 14:35.32 | *** mode/#wowace [-vo Fisker- Fisker-] by ckknight |
| 14:35.39 | thul | cncfanatics:( |
| 14:35.40 | nevcairiel | thul: you cant really use a US key anyway |
| 14:35.46 | thul | you guys are so evil :-( |
| 14:35.48 | thul | but true that nevcairiel |
| 14:35.51 | thul | and i realize that nocts :-P |
| 14:35.56 | nocts | nevcairiel: Blizzard is accepting transfer of keys. |
| 14:36.04 | nevcairiel | good luck with that |
| 14:36.06 | nocts | "I would like an EU key instead, here is the US key" |
| 14:36.10 | thul | and it is not like I am a valid beta tester anyway, I'm just running around levling, having fun and dueling :-D |
| 14:36.13 | nocts | Seems to work quite a bit. |
| 14:36.16 | nevcairiel | beta is probably over until you get your replacement |
| 14:36.25 | nocts | thul: Like 95% of the beta community? |
| 14:36.39 | nocts | nevcairiel: Swapping eu/us keys isn't bad though :) |
| 14:36.50 | thul | nocts: well, yeah |
| 14:38.13 | nocts | brb, house+cuddles |
| 14:38.21 | nevcairiel | mm harvest festival |
| 14:38.25 | nevcairiel | they should buff that |
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| 14:38.28 | nevcairiel | its not even worth doing |
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| 14:39.16 | thul | nocts: I am the worlds worst rogue dueller though, I lose to prot warriors, holy priests and ret palas :-P |
| 14:39.57 | nocts | thul: We're never speaking again. I worked for two years as a horde rogue to prove that rogue took more skill than 1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2 |
| 14:41.00 | thul | nocts: well, it is had :-D |
| 14:41.11 | thul | holy priests just insta-heal themselves, prot warriors block, dodge and parry all i have |
| 14:41.17 | fewyn | you sure it's harder than that nocts? |
| 14:41.17 | thul | and ret palas just bubble IMBABURST me. |
| 14:41.26 | fewyn | at least it's not like a feral druid |
| 14:41.36 | fewyn | SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED RIP SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED RIP SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED RIP SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED RIP SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED RIP SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED RIP |
| 14:41.57 | fewyn | maybe throw a mangle in there to spice things up |
| 14:42.10 | thul | on warriors, I try to rupture/garrote/kite, but it is hard, on priests I try to keep them cs, ks, gouge, sapped as much as possible, and with paladins, I just try to keep dodge/clos up as much as possible |
| 14:42.12 | fewyn | but i usually have another cat or bear doing it |
| 14:42.14 | thul | but it is hard:P |
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| 14:42.45 | nevcairiel | fewyn: in beta i FB now, with that +50% crit on bleeding, the average is better :P |
| 14:42.57 | thul | I wonder if I should bother to lvl my war or/and my pala |
| 14:43.02 | thul | while waiting for WOTLK |
| 14:43.46 | jy__ | lvl every class til 58 |
| 14:44.10 | thul | well, my pala is 62 |
| 14:44.15 | thul | warrior is 50 or something though :-P |
| 14:44.44 | jy__ | having a toon to play every 10 lvl is good |
| 14:44.59 | Beutju | i've seen an addon, that announces to raidchan when someone casts misdirect or cancels cc; does someone know its name? |
| 14:45.51 | fewyn | nevcairiel oh yes on beta |
| 14:45.57 | fewyn | beta is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT |
| 14:46.08 | fewyn | i love seeing huge fb crits |
| 14:46.13 | Fisker- | i'll beta your mom |
| 14:46.14 | fewyn | i think my current high is about 7k |
| 14:46.22 | nevcairiel | 9k on 80 |
| 14:46.23 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 14:46.42 | nevcairiel | I should try it on that lvl 1 dummy |
| 14:46.49 | fewyn | i'm not 80 atm |
| 14:46.55 | fewyn | 78.7 |
| 14:46.59 | fewyn | out of quests |
| 14:47.05 | fewyn | don't feel like grinding instances |
| 14:47.14 | nevcairiel | i just did instances, was kinda fun |
| 14:49.20 | fewyn | Yea not fond of instance grinding, did a bit of that before. |
| 14:49.36 | fewyn | don't want to burn out on instances in beta |
| 14:49.53 | thul | hmm, how hard is it to write a php html webform that sends an email if you know python and html from before? :-P |
| 14:50.06 | cncfanatics | thul: very easy |
| 14:50.06 | fewyn | python sucks |
| 14:50.25 | cncfanatics | fewyn: so does php |
| 14:50.54 | thul | fewyn: i know people that would eat you alive for that remark |
| 14:50.57 | fewyn | I'd rather use php over python |
| 14:50.59 | thul | I agree with the php sucks statement though |
| 14:51.09 | fewyn | personal opinion! |
| 14:51.10 | thul | I just don't know if I could do it all in python |
| 14:51.18 | thul | fewyn: still, they would. |
| 14:51.34 | thul | ach, a friend of mine got a historically swift interview->job thing at google |
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| 14:51.38 | thul | lucky bastard:P |
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| 15:04.35 | Odlaw | lawl.. so someone sends me a zhCN translation and I commit it giving them credit. Later someone changes it. Now the original guy is mailing me saying they are accusing him of stealing it from them or some such. |
| 15:05.01 | Odlaw | like.. wtf am i supposed to do. I can't read chinese, and i don't keep up on the chinese sites. |
| 15:05.25 | Odlaw | <sigh> |
| 15:06.06 | Queequeg | just make sure your laywer can read chinese when that guy sues you! |
| 15:06.21 | Tifi | meh |
| 15:06.50 | Odlaw | hahaha |
| 15:08.32 | Odlaw | I just hope it doesn't end up having them commiting different translations every other day |
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| 15:21.25 | Gagorian | Odlaw: Problem solved by giving no credit whatsoever.. and if the whine remove the translation entirely |
| 15:21.32 | Gagorian | *they |
| 15:25.06 | Odlaw | hahah |
| 15:25.11 | _SunTsu | Odlaw: You bette rbet there qill |
| 15:25.15 | Odlaw | well.. the credit was in the commit log |
| 15:25.37 | _SunTsu | Odlaw: Most commits are asian translations, or so it seems |
| 15:25.40 | Odlaw | the guy i think put a comment in the lua as well |
| 15:26.00 | _SunTsu | s/qill/will/ |
| 15:26.45 | _SunTsu | Odlaw: btw. thanks for checking my bug report that fast - you were faster than I am, I didn't check by now if it really works now |
| 15:26.57 | Odlaw | i told the guy that if he's being accused of stealing their translation, to check the changelog, it clearly gives credit to the guy who sent it first |
| 15:27.12 | Odlaw | now if they stole it from some other site before sending to me.. whatever then i guess |
| 15:27.26 | Odlaw | which bug report |
| 15:27.33 | _SunTsu | Odlaw: On curse |
| 15:27.40 | Odlaw | oh |
| 15:27.55 | Odlaw | ya.. it was in how i did the saving of it |
| 15:28.11 | Odlaw | can't press enter to save, since it's multi line, so i went with on escape pressed / on focus lost |
| 15:29.34 | Odlaw | but i made it so it clears focus when playing with the scrollframe |
| 15:29.40 | Odlaw | and thus.. saves it |
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| 15:32.16 | Adirelle|work | I'm off |
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| 15:50.51 | sylvanaar | wotlk - dmg meter / skill tracker, any sugestions |
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| 15:57.22 | digmouse | seems recount works |
| 15:57.35 | sacarasc | http://www.wowwiki.com/WotLK_AddOn_status |
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| 15:58.50 | Stanzilla | the ace3 part on that page has to be changed :/ |
| 15:58.56 | CIA-58 | 03hedin * r81571 10WF3sec/core.lua: WF3sec: GCD icon update |
| 16:01.22 | thul | YOU GIRLYMAN CRY! |
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| 16:14.49 | Tinyboom | anyone know if we'll have the ptr tomorrow in eu? |
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| 16:17.09 | Zyndrome | never |
| 16:17.36 | nevcairiel | doubt it |
| 16:18.07 | kenlyric | no |
| 16:18.13 | kenlyric | ptr usually comes on a friday |
| 16:18.16 | Tinyboom | bah, want to test something... tired of live... even had to start a new char.... |
| 16:22.24 | Zyndrome | I find Live boring as shit compared to beta ... Im even at the risk from getting gkicked cause I dont bother to attend to raids :p |
| 16:22.32 | Zyndrome | which will change with the content patch |
| 16:23.42 | sylvanaar | what is live? |
| 16:23.47 | sylvanaar | people still play? |
| 16:25.13 | Zyndrome | yeah, sad people |
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| 16:25.42 | kenlyric | we're leveling alts with RaF so we can play what we want in xpac |
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| 16:37.32 | fewyn | so quiet |
| 16:41.49 | fewyn | stick with standard cooling or stop at compusa and maybe buy something better? |
| 16:42.53 | Josh_Borke | standard cooling |
| 16:43.07 | ShaneSVeller | fewyn: thinking about liquid cooling? |
| 16:43.19 | ShaneSVeller | fewyn: or do you just mean versus the OEM cpu fan? |
| 16:43.42 | Ellipsis | fewyn: what CPU? |
| 16:43.43 | fewyn | versus oem cpu fan |
| 16:43.53 | fewyn | Core 2 Duo E2160 |
| 16:44.16 | Ellipsis | stock is pretty good on those, but if you're having temp issues or looking to OC I'd say pick up a $30 cooler |
| 16:44.53 | ShaneSVeller | i'd second that. Core 2's run great and cool as hell, but if you OC an aftermarket fan is a godsend |
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| 16:45.23 | ShaneSVeller | liquid cooling is really only for people who want to do ridiculous things like wring 5.5GHz out of a 2.6 quad |
| 16:45.38 | ShaneSVeller | the kind of shit that will slag your board |
| 16:45.52 | Ellipsis | (unless you have a really, really solid board) |
| 16:46.33 | fewyn | yea |
| 16:46.52 | ShaneSVeller | but plenty of people are getting 25-30% increases stable and cool with an aftermarket fan that will usually run you $60 or less |
| 16:47.09 | Josh_Borke | liquid cooling is also for people who like quiet things |
| 16:47.16 | Ellipsis | and messy things ;) |
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| 16:47.49 | nevcairiel | I would need all cooling liquid or passive in my case, or i would really be annoyed by the one fan left, and thats just too expensive |
| 16:47.50 | fewyn | i might pick one up |
| 16:48.06 | nevcairiel | so i just live with 4 really silent fans |
| 16:48.07 | ShaneSVeller | be sure to get thermal paste as they don't often include it and you'll want it for it to be effective |
| 16:48.12 | nevcairiel | all 120 or bigger |
| 16:48.14 | nevcairiel | so slow :) |
| 16:48.20 | ShaneSVeller | 120mm low-rpm ftw |
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| 16:48.33 | ShaneSVeller | i have 4 and one 200mm in the top of the case, antec 900 |
| 16:48.36 | Ellipsis | fewyn: depending on your budget, you might look at the tuniq tower, it seems to be quite the favorite right now ($50 on newegg) |
| 16:48.36 | fewyn | i already have some thermal paste ShaneSVeller from my grandfathers pc we just built |
| 16:48.42 | fewyn | http://www.compusa.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Recs=10&Nav=|c:1588|&Sort=4 |
| 16:48.46 | fewyn | those are my choices really |
| 16:48.52 | fewyn | they sell most of them at the compusa |
| 16:49.22 | ShaneSVeller | thermaltake is a good brand, as is zalman |
| 16:49.34 | ShaneSVeller | i haven't heard of most of those |
| 16:49.48 | Ellipsis | page 2 has some thermaltakes |
| 16:49.57 | Ellipsis | mostly the old orb style coolers |
| 16:50.18 | ShaneSVeller | the heatpipe variety seems to work well |
| 16:50.55 | nocts | fewyn: I think the first question you need is : Do you even need something other than stock cooling for what you're doing? |
| 16:51.09 | fewyn | Maybe? |
| 16:51.18 | fewyn | This is going to be my dedicated gaming machine now |
| 16:51.26 | ShaneSVeller | do you plan to OC? |
| 16:51.28 | nevcairiel | I never even buy the CPU that comes with stock cooling =P |
| 16:51.34 | fewyn | Maybe! |
| 16:51.39 | nevcairiel | there is always a second model without, heh |
| 16:51.57 | ShaneSVeller | nevcairiel: oem packaging? |
| 16:52.08 | fewyn | back later, gotta go to the warehouses |
| 16:52.15 | Josh_Borke | you save like $2 |
| 16:52.19 | nevcairiel | got one of those right now: http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=79&disc= |
| 16:52.30 | Josh_Borke | what is the point? |
| 16:52.47 | ShaneSVeller | Josh_Borke: if you plan on replacing it anyway? |
| 16:53.05 | Josh_Borke | ShaneSVeller: it's just easier to get a retail than oem |
| 16:53.12 | nevcairiel | not here |
| 16:53.14 | Josh_Borke | and oem aren't shipped as securely as retail |
| 16:53.16 | nevcairiel | its the same |
| 16:53.20 | Ellipsis | $2 for a spare HSF when you break something....yeah |
| 16:53.21 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: well you suck! |
| 16:53.40 | ShaneSVeller | Josh_Borke: I've never had issues with them, ymmv |
| 16:53.48 | Josh_Borke | me neither |
| 16:53.56 | Josh_Borke | but then again, i don't buy processors but once every 5 years :-D |
| 16:54.17 | ShaneSVeller | I never really recommend people OC unless they are stuck with a sub-par processor |
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| 16:54.41 | ShaneSVeller | if you went out today and bought a <200 E8400-8500 you'd be set for a good long while until more games take advantage of quads |
| 16:54.46 | Elgren | Hello |
| 16:54.47 | ShaneSVeller | <$200* |
| 16:55.05 | Elgren | Is enginerring items available to use while in moonkin form? |
| 16:55.08 | Elgren | does anyone know? |
| 16:55.12 | Elgren | like rocketboots? |
| 16:55.21 | Elgren | invulnerability belt |
| 16:55.53 | Ellipsis | ShaneSVeller: yes but you can also get 4+ghz out of those on air :P |
| 16:56.07 | Ellipsis | making them comparable to processors that normally cost much more than $200 |
| 16:56.55 | ShaneSVeller | Ellipsis: exactly. save your spare change and invest in some higher-clock/lower-latency ram or a new vidcard, or maybe sli if you want to go that route |
| 16:57.28 | Ellipsis | you don't have to tell me twice ;) I've got an E8400 in my buld |
| 16:57.31 | Ellipsis | build* |
| 16:57.53 | ShaneSVeller | I haven't gotten around to making sure my BIOS update for E8400 support will boot first, it's on my to-do list |
| 16:58.15 | ShaneSVeller | don't want my sole gaming PC to go down for the count until i could afford to replace the mobo |
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| 16:59.23 | Dashkal | ~wowalert |
| 16:59.24 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 17:01.23 | Valhallaresa | thats handy. |
| 17:05.11 | KriLL3 | I love pve guilds roaming QD in hordes killing lone people as if they're skilled pvpers, they never manage to kill me and I return the favor when one gets low or gets separated XD |
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| 17:13.29 | Dashkal | I love that thing when at work. lil hard to fire up the client |
| 17:15.04 | Zyndrome | jesus christ, wtb a fast mirror of the WAR EU beta, the downloader is a load of crap |
| 17:15.46 | Aeyan | http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Client_and_Patches |
| 17:15.47 | ShaneSVeller | Thought they used a torrent-based dler? |
| 17:16.05 | Aeyan | They do, and that's a problem for some people |
| 17:16.39 | Aeyan | My downstream gets incredibly choked if my upload is set too high and Blizzard's thing slams it to max |
| 17:17.16 | KriLL3 | cranks it to 11 |
| 17:17.43 | ShaneSVeller | We (Zyndrome and I) are talking about Warhammer here, to clarify |
| 17:17.53 | KriLL3 | eww |
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| 17:18.05 | ShaneSVeller | and Aeyan, what ISP do you have, or is it an issue with your router? |
| 17:18.19 | KriLL3 | I've heard you can't walk past people in it, so if enough people stand in a line at the wrong place you can't go anywhere |
| 17:18.27 | Aeyan | Ah, WAR |
| 17:18.38 | Aeyan | Read it too fast |
| 17:18.59 | Aeyan | ISP is Time Warner Cable |
| 17:19.08 | Moocat091987 | I have a few questions about performing my game performance, anyone have a few moments to help me out? |
| 17:19.24 | KriLL3 | Moocat091987: huh? |
| 17:19.31 | Zyndrome | ShaneSVeller : I was at like 60% ... and rebooted |
| 17:19.36 | Zyndrome | ":D enjoy your 0%" |
| 17:19.38 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: you're hoping to increase in-game performance, aka framerate? |
| 17:19.41 | Moocat091987 | I mean load times and framerates, yes. |
| 17:19.56 | KriLL3 | load time = addons, framerate = eyecandy |
| 17:20.12 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: memory and videocard are your primary bottlenecks wrt framerate |
| 17:20.21 | Moocat091987 | Right, I know it's my large collection of addons that is slowing down my load times especially |
| 17:20.29 | KriLL3 | ShaneSVeller: actually wow is very CPU intensive |
| 17:20.50 | Moocat091987 | What I'm concerned about is improving efficiency, and the only way I can think of to do that is to move all my libraries to standalones. Is this a good idea? I have tons and tons of addons right now. |
| 17:20.52 | ShaneSVeller | Krill3: on a p3, sure =P I've never seen usage on a core2 above 15% |
| 17:21.11 | Moocat091987 | I'm using a core2 duo 2.4ghz and a Nvidia 7800GTX, not worried much about my hardware |
| 17:21.32 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: it may improve load times especially with a lot of addons to disembed, but most people don't suggest it |
| 17:21.43 | KriLL3 | odd then that it didn't matter when I upgraded from a 8800gts320 to a GTX 260 to my framerate, entering shattrath still nearly freezes the game for a second |
| 17:21.51 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: it doesn't make a big big difference, perhaps 5 seconds or so at the most |
| 17:22.01 | Aeyan | Found a torrent file for the WAR open beta client, but I don't know how friendly freenode is about posting direct links to stuff like that =P |
| 17:22.14 | Aeyan | Try the torrent file in the signature of post #547 |
| 17:22.19 | Moocat091987 | Okay, that's too bad. I do, however, have a few extra folders in my WoW directory |
| 17:22.31 | Moocat091987 | and I was wondering if the WoW client does go through all files in the directory |
| 17:22.53 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: check your Saved Variables folders for files you don't have the addons for, because wow parses the entire WTF folder at load time |
| 17:22.55 | Moocat091987 | when I refer to load times I also mean the time it takes the game itself to start. I figure it slowed down when I added a 2nd interface folder. |
| 17:23.25 | Moocat091987 | I have a 2nd interface folder because I sometimes use a 2nd account and just rename the folders (too lazy thus far to combine them) |
| 17:23.33 | ShaneSVeller | Krill3: can't explain that whatsoever. what's your proc and mem specs? |
| 17:24.11 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: I keep my whole addons folder under source control and I never notice any performance difference by having the extra folder/files that entails, i tried it recently because the history is so long |
| 17:24.37 | KriLL3 | Q6600 @ 3.3Ghz, 4GB of DDR2-800 400Mhz (2x) 5-5-5-18 |
| 17:24.57 | Moocat091987 | What do you mean by source control? |
| 17:25.00 | KriLL3 | corsair ram, with big heatsinks |
| 17:25.07 | ShaneSVeller | XMS2/3? |
| 17:25.11 | ShaneSVeller | <3 those |
| 17:25.16 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 17:25.33 | KriLL3 | something like that, got to put my head in the case to find out exactly |
| 17:25.46 | Moocat091987 | I got XMS2 in my machine, love it |
| 17:25.48 | ShaneSVeller | how do you like the 260 anyhow? I have SLI 8800GTs, been eying one of those to replace them down the line |
| 17:25.58 | KriLL3 | ShaneSVeller: it's awesome |
| 17:26.16 | KriLL3 | I've overclocked it to 690 from 575 and I'm running at 53C load |
| 17:26.32 | Moocat091987 | ShaneSVeller: What do you mean by source control? |
| 17:26.43 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: source control means I have something that monitors all the files for changes and records them, so that if i go mucking about willy-nilly with my UI I can revert bad changes |
| 17:26.52 | Moocat091987 | I see. |
| 17:27.20 | ShaneSVeller | Moocat091987: it also means I can keep branches of my UI for a given purposes, I have one for "srs bsns" mode and one that I leak to tweak a lot |
| 17:27.31 | ShaneSVeller | like* god I can't type today |
| 17:27.32 | Moocat091987 | How do you manage that? |
| 17:28.25 | ShaneSVeller | I keep the whole thing in Git (http://git.or.cz) because it suits my style, but other options include subversion or mercurial |
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| 17:28.57 | Moocat091987 | Ah, I've thought about that before but was always too lazy! |
| 17:28.57 | KriLL3 | the GTX 260 is the new standard for video cards imo, the 280 is 1.3 times the power for 2x the price the 9800 range isn't close in performance except for the GX2 which is on the verge of melting even at stock speeds |
| 17:29.34 | KriLL3 | and it has all that SLI overhead to deal with |
| 17:29.47 | nocts | I'm going ATI after the 8800-gx2 |
| 17:29.56 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 17:29.56 | nocts | And the GTX 260 isn't worth the price, imo. |
| 17:30.00 | NivFreak | the gtx280s can be picked up for ~$375 now |
| 17:30.17 | nocts | After the long fail of nvidia, not worth the price risk to me. |
| 17:30.20 | ShaneSVeller | what a bargain! |
| 17:30.21 | Moocat091987 | Oh, good lord. I just realized I still have shit from CT mod... back in like 1.8 when it was maintained |
| 17:30.26 | KriLL3 | ATI has a lot to prove to me before I ever go back there |
| 17:30.32 | ShaneSVeller | Krill3: agreed |
| 17:30.46 | NivFreak | I was a huge ATI advocate for years, after I went Nvidia, I never looked back |
| 17:30.48 | ShaneSVeller | my 8800s have been treating me like a king since I bought the first of the pair 1.5 years ago |
| 17:30.50 | NivFreak | driver support is the best reason |
| 17:30.52 | nocts | This will be my first ATI card, the 4870, and everything I've watched and heard about nvidia 8800 to current has made me try ATI. |
| 17:31.01 | nocts | NivFreak: :P AMD picked up driver support, especially for linux. |
| 17:31.08 | KriLL3 | nocts: 260 is sweet |
| 17:31.14 | nocts | No thanks. |
| 17:31.15 | NivFreak | nocts: my last ATI card was the 9800 |
| 17:31.18 | nocts | My roommates has melting problems. |
| 17:31.25 | KriLL3 | nocts: with? |
| 17:31.29 | Ellipsis | my last ATI was a 9000 :P |
| 17:31.31 | nocts | 260 and gx2 |
| 17:31.42 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: I'm thinking it's airflow problems causing the melting problems, if i had to hazard a guess |
| 17:31.45 | Moocat091987 | My Nvidia card works excellently in Linux, don't know much about AMD's drivers |
| 17:31.54 | KriLL3 | gx2 is selfcombustible, not that odd when you have 2 cards with one cooler, the 260 is a lot cooler though |
| 17:32.00 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: Not at all. He's got the largest case on the market with liquid cooling, done right. |
| 17:32.04 | ShaneSVeller | To be fair, linux support for my 8800 took like 3 months |
| 17:32.08 | nocts | ^ |
| 17:32.14 | KriLL3 | 260 is one of the coolest cards on the market from what I've seen on various review sites |
| 17:32.18 | NivFreak | I have an 8800, it continues to be fantastic |
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| 17:32.26 | nocts | As a nvndia fanboi, I'm going ATI because of nvidia's string of fail. And the numbers/temperatures hold up right now too. |
| 17:32.32 | nocts | Kind of like AMD falling behind Intel right now. |
| 17:32.33 | NivFreak | the 9800 series nvidia cards, I just skipped them |
| 17:32.36 | NivFreak | they weren't compelling |
| 17:32.39 | KriLL3 | you have to be a complete imbecile to get the GX2 imo |
| 17:32.49 | Esine | I have a 9800 GTX and I don't notice much difference to my old card 8600 GTS. |
| 17:32.54 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: I shopped the market right when the 260/280 hit and it looked like the dream card for my money, anyway |
| 17:32.59 | NivFreak | Esine: yea, that line was pretty fail |
| 17:33.01 | KriLL3 | Esine: errm, that's odd |
| 17:33.02 | Esine | then again I only play wow and some id games :P on wow |
| 17:33.05 | Esine | er |
| 17:33.06 | Esine | on Linux |
| 17:33.10 | ShaneSVeller | 9000-series seemed to universally suck |
| 17:33.21 | NivFreak | they didn't suck, they were just lackluster |
| 17:33.32 | KriLL3 | naw they're a step up from the 8800 series, not much but a bit |
| 17:33.40 | ShaneSVeller | if i recall, they're the same chipset as the 8800gt/gts, or something to that effect |
| 17:33.48 | KriLL3 | remember the new GT and GTS of the 8800 series share the same chipset as the 9800 cards |
| 17:33.51 | ShaneSVeller | so minor differences in clockspeeds were the difference |
| 17:33.56 | Ellipsis | pretty much, just shrunk and sped up |
| 17:33.58 | KriLL3 | yeah the new models |
| 17:34.07 | KriLL3 | 8800GTS 512 = 9800 |
| 17:34.24 | KriLL3 | I don't understand why Nvidia gave both lines new chipsets |
| 17:34.36 | KriLL3 | you have to compare the 9800 line with the older 8800 cards |
| 17:34.55 | KriLL3 | GTX, Ultra, GTS 320/640 etc |
| 17:35.20 | ShaneSVeller | I'm actually the opposite of nocts, i had a string of bad experiences with ati cards and went nvidia, never looked back |
| 17:35.44 | KriLL3 | same |
| 17:35.58 | NivFreak | same |
| 17:36.01 | ShaneSVeller | don't remember the models whatsoever, though, i'm sorry. they were around the $200 price point, and my first NV card was the 7800gt |
| 17:36.02 | Cheads | very happy with my 4870 ATI card, super cheap too |
| 17:36.09 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: I've always viewed ATI as inferior too. |
| 17:36.09 | nocts | Sure. |
| 17:36.18 | NivFreak | I used ATI cards from the first rage 8M cards all the way to the 9800 |
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| 17:36.27 | nocts | But right now, it's destroying the nvndia cards within the $200-300 pricerange. |
| 17:36.29 | NivFreak | before I got so pissed that I jumped ship |
| 17:36.43 | nocts | I'm a bit more comfortable even considering ATI because of AMD. |
| 17:36.48 | NivFreak | fuck amd ;) |
| 17:36.54 | Ellipsis | yes please |
| 17:36.59 | Esine | amd is in big trouble :/ |
| 17:37.05 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: really? |
| 17:37.05 | Ellipsis | (note we're still going intel for processors) |
| 17:37.14 | nocts | ^ sadly |
| 17:37.16 | NivFreak | amd is just there to keep my intel chips priced properly |
| 17:37.21 | ShaneSVeller | the only appeal to me for an amd processor is price and heat |
| 17:37.29 | NivFreak | and ati to keep my nvidia cards priced properly |
| 17:37.35 | nocts | Or that the previous generation forced intel to step it up :P |
| 17:37.38 | NivFreak | which worked wonderfully with the gtx 260/280 |
| 17:37.58 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: fair enough, the x2 brought about the core2 series we all know and love. |
| 17:38.10 | nocts | Exactly. |
| 17:38.17 | ShaneSVeller | but the c2's are kind of trouncing them now; i don't know dick about the phenoms yet. |
| 17:38.23 | KriLL3 | is AMD anywhere near intel in CPUs atm? |
| 17:38.28 | Esine | KriLL3, ne |
| 17:38.28 | nocts | Right now? No. |
| 17:38.29 | Esine | no |
| 17:38.31 | ShaneSVeller | maybe with the quads? |
| 17:38.34 | nocts | Intel finally caught up. |
| 17:38.35 | Esine | ShaneSVeller, nope |
| 17:38.51 | Esine | phenoms suck that's it |
| 17:39.01 | ShaneSVeller | the E8400/8500 widened the split for duals, i know that much |
| 17:39.01 | KriLL3 | nehelem (sp?) will pwn |
| 17:39.06 | nocts | I've been more loyal to AMD because of that large period of time when AMD was simply faster, cheaper, and more flexible.. and because I like their business practices much better than old-school Intel. |
| 17:39.43 | KriLL3 | nocts: that might have been true in the P4 days, but now? not so much |
| 17:39.45 | ShaneSVeller | lulz. we need a wowace-hardware subchannel |
| 17:39.56 | nocts | KriLL3: I'm not talking about now, hence why I'm getting an intel. |
| 17:39.57 | kenlyric | why? |
| 17:40.01 | kenlyric | were you talking about something else? |
| 17:40.03 | nocts | Sadly, getting an intel. |
| 17:40.32 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: your sadness is like an american being sad over buying a foreign car |
| 17:40.35 | KriLL3 | I got a Q6600, couldn't be happier, overclocks like a dream |
| 17:40.43 | ShaneSVeller | krill3: me too |
| 17:40.47 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: No, it's called I don't like the Intel company. |
| 17:40.49 | KriLL3 | ShaneSVeller: well american cars are shite |
| 17:40.59 | Valhallaresa | what do you have it at Krill? |
| 17:41.09 | KriLL3 | the americans still use live axle and leaf springs |
| 17:41.12 | KriLL3 | Valhallaresa: 3.3 |
| 17:41.12 | ShaneSVeller | that's my point. if the product is conclusively superior, stop qq-ing? |
| 17:41.14 | Valhallaresa | nice... |
| 17:41.22 | KriLL3 | 53C |
| 17:41.22 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: I wasn't QQing. |
| 17:41.36 | nocts | If I'm buying an Intel card because right now Intel is superior, i'm going Intel. |
| 17:41.36 | Ellipsis | he's not QQing about buying the product, he's QQing about supporting the company ;) |
| 17:41.45 | nocts | Doesn't mean I can't dislike the company itself over a different company. |
| 17:41.48 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: i know, i live within an hour of detroit and keep seeing "if you want to lose your job, keep buying foreign" bumper stickers |
| 17:41.50 | ShaneSVeller | THAT's qq-ing |
| 17:41.51 | Valhallaresa | lol.. thats what mine's running at at stock right now cuz my thermal paste is almost gone |
| 17:42.24 | Cheads | ShaneSVeller really? |
| 17:42.24 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: That's no where near the same thing. |
| 17:42.28 | KriLL3 | ShaneSVeller: if they made modern cars that were fuel efficient and small enough to get through a town they'd sell more =P |
| 17:42.29 | nocts | I'm not saying "don't buy intel' |
| 17:42.32 | nocts | I'm buying Intel. |
| 17:42.36 | nocts | Are you lost? |
| 17:42.43 | ShaneSVeller | negative. |
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| 17:43.05 | ShaneSVeller | I see it as similar. dogmatic brand loyalty, you just let reason win. they don't. |
| 17:43.07 | kenlyric | I don't get how the volt is amazing |
| 17:43.12 | kenlyric | good job, a decade late |
| 17:43.16 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: Huh? |
| 17:43.22 | nocts | I said I supported AMd's business practices more. |
| 17:43.36 | nocts | Oh |
| 17:43.38 | nocts | OH |
| 17:43.50 | Ellipsis | down boy |
| 17:43.56 | nocts | I'm not dogmatically loyal, regardless. |
| 17:43.57 | Valhallaresa | meh.. i hate amd. |
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| 17:44.15 | nocts | If Intel is better I'll get Intel. Still means I'll appreciate how AMD functions as a company more. |
| 17:44.26 | Valhallaresa | They're lazy. |
| 17:44.57 | Valhallaresa | they create a patch for all graphics card drivers, but don't incorporate it into the catalyst package. You gotta go out looking for it specifically to get it. |
| 17:45.41 | ShaneSVeller | I just stick mostly to material worth |
| 17:45.49 | KriLL3 | well neither ATI or Nvidia does drivers in a way I like, both want to give you a totally separate UI for it all, it feels too walled garden and pandering |
| 17:46.40 | ShaneSVeller | nocts: and it sounds like where your money goes and whom you support mentally are different directions. that's cool by me. |
| 17:46.41 | KriLL3 | and each time I update my Nvidia drivers my multi screen setup needs to be re-configured yet again, wouldn't surprise me if AMD does that also |
| 17:47.05 | ShaneSVeller | Krill3: ever tried using multi-screens from a dual-DVI card under linux? ugh! |
| 17:47.24 | KriLL3 | I'm not crazy enough to go linux =P |
| 17:47.28 | nocts | ShaneSVeller: It normally isn't. But the technological gap is terrible right now, enough that it would be putting it to useless hardware in it's current state. |
| 17:47.33 | nocts | Hence the ati/intel |
| 17:47.35 | nocts | And I'm off to work |
| 17:47.49 | ShaneSVeller | o/ |
| 17:48.17 | KriLL3 | I wish there were more than 2 parties |
| 17:48.27 | ShaneSVeller | same with the US govt. |
| 17:48.30 | KriLL3 | 3 or more would be better for competition and prices |
| 17:48.35 | ShaneSVeller | we could only stand to benefit from more competition |
| 17:49.06 | KriLL3 | and both have a too large barrier of entry to get anywhere |
| 17:53.35 | KriLL3 | wow looks nice with 8x AA :) |
| 17:54.03 | Wraithan | Yeah, look what all the competition did to the fast food companies, it shows that competition is ideal! |
| 17:54.10 | KriLL3 | too bad AA doesn't work on texture edges, the edge of trees and my wings in flightform are especially jagged |
| 17:54.22 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: ? |
| 17:54.41 | Wraithan | In reference to needing more competition for the chip venders |
| 17:54.47 | Ellipsis | we have a lot of variety in cheap fast food, what exactly is the problem? |
| 17:55.42 | Wraithan | I the effort to be the cheapest they continually are getting the cheapest ingredients and generally getting lower quality over time |
| 17:56.10 | Ellipsis | fast food isn't exactly the place to go for quality |
| 17:56.18 | Ellipsis | cheap, quick, high quality: pick 2 |
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| 17:56.41 | KriLL3 | well a good salad bar is all 3 |
| 17:56.52 | Ellipsis | not nearly as quick as a drive-thru :P |
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| 17:57.09 | ShaneSVeller | I asked a week or so ago, but is there a way to force oUF to display all frames even if the unit isn't present, similar to the functionality of Pitbull's config mode or the NShakedown addon? |
| 17:57.22 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: actually most of them have pre-mixed salads ready to go |
| 17:57.38 | Ellipsis | so does mcdonalds ;) |
| 17:57.45 | Wraithan | Or can put them together rapidly, like TB |
| 17:57.48 | KriLL3 | you don't get to pick more than say 20 varieties but it's quicker than making your own |
| 17:57.50 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: eww |
| 17:57.56 | KriLL3 | mcd salads are horrible |
| 17:58.10 | Ellipsis | that was kind of my point |
| 17:58.19 | ShaneSVeller | also, has anyone looked at nUI? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9108-nUIBeta2.html I have some sharp reservations about that from an ethical standpoint, it looks like an addon-frankenstein |
| 17:58.23 | Ellipsis | if it's quick, it's not going to be terribly high quality (who knows how long it's been sitting there) |
| 17:58.36 | KriLL3 | pre-mixed salads at salad bars is usually top notch stuff |
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| 17:58.50 | KriLL3 | and they're all out before the end of the day, so they're fresh |
| 17:59.04 | Ellipsis | the cheaper it is, the less quality you'll get too (the "worse" ingredients are easy to hide under a tray of what looks like nice yummy stuff) |
| 17:59.11 | Wraithan | ShaneSVeller: it is a addon collection... what do you expect? |
| 17:59.30 | Ellipsis | he claims to have written it all himself though |
| 17:59.36 | ShaneSVeller | Wraithan: actually it "isn't". It's billed as one standalone addon, right |
| 17:59.46 | Ellipsis | I'm guessing there's quite a bit of "borrowing" behind it :P |
| 17:59.51 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: well I go to a salad bar chain here in the region and I've yet to be disappointed |
| 17:59.53 | ShaneSVeller | uncredited, natch |
| 18:00.11 | Wraithan | Ah, I just looked at the SS and assumed |
| 18:00.16 | Wraithan | didn't even read the description |
| 18:00.33 | ShaneSVeller | right |
| 18:00.44 | nevcairiel | man that panel looks like it covers half the screen |
| 18:00.47 | Ellipsis | I'm kind of curious about the code itself, but not enough to subject myself to that kind of torture |
| 18:00.51 | ShaneSVeller | definitely appears like he lifted a significant portion of "his" code straight out of lots of other addons |
| 18:01.04 | ShaneSVeller | particularly with that feature set |
| 18:01.15 | ShaneSVeller | at the very least he was directly inspired by them |
| 18:01.18 | Stanzilla | fail UI |
| 18:01.26 | Primer | So my new profile switching addon is coming along nicely. Then I discover that the method in LibRockDB to get a existing profiles of an addon is a local function... |
| 18:01.38 | Wraithan | All of the unit frames are custom using a single code base for all units. In fact, the entire UI is custom code. No third party mods or dependencies. |
| 18:01.42 | Wraithan | from the forum |
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| 18:01.53 | ShaneSVeller | lololol suuuure guy |
| 18:01.54 | Primer | If SetProfile and GetProfile are "public methods"...why would GetProfileList NOT be? |
| 18:02.15 | KriLL3 | did he make it in assembly or basic? |
| 18:02.18 | Primer | boggle |
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| 18:02.36 | Ellipsis | Primer: why does it need to be? |
| 18:02.45 | Primer | So I can call it from my addon :) |
| 18:02.46 | KriLL3 | one day I'll make a whole UI in assembly, replacing every aspect of the default UI and it's 10x better than any addon compilation could ever be! |
| 18:02.51 | Ellipsis | why do you need to? |
| 18:02.54 | Ellipsis | you know what profile you want and when |
| 18:03.09 | Primer | Ellipsis: I was hoping to make my addon more complete |
| 18:03.23 | Primer | so perhaps others could use it |
| 18:03.27 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 18:03.40 | Primer | right now it does what I want it to, but I have the stuff hard coded in the addon itself |
| 18:04.04 | Primer | the stuff being, "When I enter Warsong Gulch, use the '10man' profile" |
| 18:04.21 | Primer | "When I enter Hyjal, use the '25man' profile" |
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| 18:04.38 | Ellipsis | great, allow the user to enter the profile names :) |
| 18:04.38 | Valhallaresa | interesting |
| 18:04.40 | ShaneSVeller | sounds useful |
| 18:04.55 | ShaneSVeller | I like Ellipsis' suggestion for a fast solution |
| 18:05.04 | Primer | if (zoneName == 'Warsong Gulch') then setZone = '10man' end <-- verbatim |
| 18:05.09 | Ellipsis | it's going to be much easier to do that than to get ck to change the design of librockdb |
| 18:05.20 | Primer | yeah, I have to agree with you there |
| 18:05.34 | Primer | I pondered simply including the GetProfileList code in my addon |
| 18:05.43 | Ellipsis | give the user a couple text boxes, one for zone name and one for profile name. if they screw it up it's their own fault ;) |
| 18:05.44 | Primer | I wanted to just make everything dropdown based |
| 18:06.10 | ShaneSVeller | Primer: is there something wrong with doing that, provided you credit ck? |
| 18:06.40 | Primer | ShaneSVeller: I haven't fully investigated it, but I don't see why the function wouldn't work as-is in my addon |
| 18:07.12 | Wraithan | I am half tempted to remove all my addons and start over, since I am getting up to absurd amounts of them, but seems almost pointless with wotlk around the corner |
| 18:07.29 | NeoTron | Wraithan: it's pointless with WotLK around the corner |
| 18:07.36 | ShaneSVeller | so I hear from bloggers that people who swore off WoW will be playing Warhammer Online and people keep saying "I thought you quit playing that game". That's how similar they look. |
| 18:07.38 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: I'd say start over when you design your wotlk UI (if you are/get into beta) |
| 18:07.45 | Wraithan | I am in beta |
| 18:07.46 | NeoTron | or the PTR |
| 18:08.00 | Ellipsis | I'm just redoing my UI from scratch in the beta |
| 18:08.22 | Ellipsis | it lets me evaluate addons that work better in wrath even if they were worse options (or didn't exist) before |
| 18:08.46 | ShaneSVeller | how do any of you guys feel about DiamondTM versus Omen? |
| 18:09.03 | nevcairiel | Diamond is inaccurate |
| 18:09.06 | Ellipsis | I doubt it'll really matter in the end |
| 18:09.19 | Wraithan | omen is what my guild uses... still gotta see what omen does with the advent of true threat |
| 18:09.21 | Ellipsis | if I had to trust one it'd be omen, but I'd prefer to just count on API instead |
| 18:09.41 | ShaneSVeller | yeah, with LK handing us the data |
| 18:09.49 | nevcairiel | Come 3.0, we'll all use API |
| 18:09.51 | Wraithan | Any threat addons will just be display mediums now |
| 18:10.37 | Dashkal | Wraithan: any fight that requires people to stay behind two others will require a syncing threat addon. Hard to get threat values with the API for things that don't have a unit id |
| 18:10.41 | Ellipsis | $20 says KTM's author claims API is too inaccurate to be trusted and continues development on his threat algorithms |
| 18:10.50 | ShaneSVeller | I'm going to redo my own UI with oUF, Dominos and LDB stuff shortly here |
| 18:11.24 | nevcairiel | Diamond calculates all threat values for the full raid on its own, while Threat-2.0 syncs that and offloads that to the individual players. Some special resists for taunt etc cannot be detected properly by diamond |
| 18:11.38 | Ellipsis | Dashkal: syncing is still vastly superior to guesstimation :P |
| 18:11.48 | ShaneSVeller | nevcairiel: good to know |
| 18:12.07 | Wraithan | Dashkal: I am sorry, I don't follow what you are saying, you mean threat on 2 different targets or staying behind as in having 2 people higher than you on threat |
| 18:12.29 | Ellipsis | besides, it won't be tough to get an entire guild to download Omen to sync their API threat, since everyone's so used to needing it for threat values at all |
| 18:12.30 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: haha, it doesn't sync? |
| 18:12.49 | Dashkal | Wraithan: consider Gruul. (someone correct me if I have the mechanic wrong, I've done him three times). Tank, offtank, then DPS. none of the DPS will have a unitid for the offtank |
| 18:12.54 | ShaneSVeller | that's got to be some bitchin' overhead to do it all yourself |
| 18:13.03 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: if A, B, and C are fighting a boss, they could all show completely different values for A's threat ;) |
| 18:13.04 | Dashkal | So they can't see the offtank's threat in order to stay behind him |
| 18:13.24 | cncfanatics | Dashkal: raidX is a unitid |
| 18:13.28 | Wraithan | So it would have to check the talent builds of everyone around it, in order to see things like shaman spirit weapons dropping their melee threat by 30% |
| 18:13.35 | Wraithan | andf check for buffs lol |
| 18:13.38 | KriLL3 | [Noble's Monocle] har har |
| 18:13.43 | cncfanatics | Dashkal: raid15 or so would be the offtank's unitid |
| 18:13.47 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: hence the silliness |
| 18:13.55 | Dashkal | cncfanatics: meep. I had forgot about raidX. |
| 18:14.00 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 18:14.03 | nevcairiel | i was about to comment on that |
| 18:14.03 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:14.25 | Wraithan | Dashkal: Ah I ahven't actually played with it, I assumed it works the same way as Omen as you can see your threat and others threat on the current target |
| 18:14.29 | nevcairiel | only thing that wont work properly is the "AoE" mode in Omen right now |
| 18:14.33 | NeoTron | actually probably don't even need raidX |
| 18:14.51 | NeoTron | probably can do: UnitThreatSituation("Aminai", "target") |
| 18:14.51 | cncfanatics | what is this convo about btw ? |
| 18:14.58 | NeoTron | sicne names work as unit Id's in raids/groups |
| 18:15.00 | Ellipsis | the future of threat meters |
| 18:15.04 | Dashkal | Yeah, AoE is kinda screwed. No unitid for mobs nobody is targeting |
| 18:15.20 | Dashkal | So nevermind me on the offtank bit :p AoE packs are another matter |
| 18:15.25 | cncfanatics | oh, the supplied blizz api |
| 18:15.35 | Ellipsis | yeah, but even with GUIDs combat log scanning isn't perfect for AoE threat either |
| 18:15.36 | Wraithan | Never even tried to use the AoE mode |
| 18:16.06 | Dashkal | But I've yet to see an AoE pack where a threat meter is critical. Not sure that'll be a big loss |
| 18:16.08 | Ellipsis | the warlock pulling aggro with seed and then soulshattering, for example...resists there are hard to check |
| 18:16.08 | Wraithan | I tab to a target that only has me targeting it (looking at the xperl display for how many people targing your target) then dump |
| 18:16.18 | nevcairiel | I see AoE-Mode as an acceptable loss for absolute-value API |
| 18:16.30 | Dashkal | Anybody know of a fight where I'm off the mark there? |
| 18:16.48 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: some tanks use it for hyjal trash, i heard |
| 18:17.09 | Wraithan | haven't checked yet, are servers back up? |
| 18:17.17 | Ellipsis | but due to the chaotic nature of AoE situations, I'd wager people don't use that mode as much as they could (or look at the meters much, for that matter) |
| 18:17.22 | cncfanatics | ah hehe, US servers are down atù |
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| 18:17.45 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis: AoE is rly only chaotic when there ain't a palatank holding them all :p |
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| 18:18.00 | Ellipsis | if he's holding them all, threat is irrelevant ;) |
| 18:18.14 | Dashkal | I'm looking forward to D&D tanking (yes yes, I know D&D is useless this build) |
| 18:18.25 | cncfanatics | D&D ? |
| 18:18.43 | Dashkal | death and decay. DK AoE |
| 18:19.02 | cncfanatics | It'll be the DK concecration I supose |
| 18:19.05 | Dashkal | It's a ground target fire and forget AoE spell |
| 18:19.20 | Dashkal | with stun procs |
| 18:19.22 | cncfanatics | targetted concecration basicly iirc |
| 18:19.25 | cncfanatics | :o stun procs |
| 18:19.49 | Dashkal | However the damage is too low right now, and the cost is pretty high (eats half our runes) |
| 18:19.49 | Fisker- | isn't it fear procs? |
| 18:19.55 | Dashkal | Fisker-: cowering |
| 18:20.02 | Ellipsis | cower != fear |
| 18:20.03 | ShaneSVeller | wtb the rumored system for keeping two talent specs |
| 18:20.05 | Ellipsis | it's effectively a stun |
| 18:20.28 | Dashkal | effectively. I think it might be on the fear diminishing returns counter, but I wouldn't be blowing half my runes in PvP. |
| 18:21.04 | Wraithan | misses the stun tanks of EQ |
| 18:22.07 | Wraithan | I can see some classes using the crap out of talent spec saving or templating |
| 18:22.22 | Wraithan | Me, I don't think I have respec'd in 3 months |
| 18:22.35 | Dashkal | I play a druid on live. My respec is usually 50g |
| 18:22.37 | NeoTron | Dashkal: D&D won't be sufficient |
| 18:22.37 | ShaneSVeller | is a feral/resto druid |
| 18:22.55 | Dashkal | NeoTron: not entirely. But a good rotation with pestelance and tab targetting along with blood boil will be |
| 18:22.57 | NeoTron | it's a nice initial theat and damage mitigator |
| 18:23.06 | ShaneSVeller | Let me switch for free, on like a few hour cooldown, I'll be effing gravy. |
| 18:23.31 | Dashkal | I'm gonna need some mouseover macros for real AoE packs if I'm going to be a credible Blood Tank. I don't get wandering plague. |
| 18:23.49 | NeoTron | Dashkal: or you could just spec for AoE tanking, i.e unholy |
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| 18:24.13 | NeoTron | possibly frost |
| 18:24.21 | NeoTron | blood is clearly the worst so.. yeah :P |
| 18:24.29 | Dashkal | I'm going for the blood tank in particular. Health return midigation still works |
| 18:24.32 | cncfanatics | time to install a linux distro, cya all later |
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| 18:24.58 | Dashkal | Frost has better straight up midigation, but blood's health return can (with more tuning) match that just fine |
| 18:25.26 | Dashkal | About the only thing it's missing is a decent AoE. |
| 18:25.54 | Dashkal | A talent to increase the jump count on pestalence might do the trick |
| 18:26.24 | NeoTron | blood can tank but isn' the aoe tanker |
| 18:26.34 | NeoTron | you can hold aoe threat but likely not aoe raid SoC spamming threat |
| 18:26.39 | Dashkal | *nods* and since the AoE niche isn't my goal... |
| 18:27.03 | NeoTron | I'll likely be frost or unholy bu I'll see |
| 18:27.26 | Dashkal | I'll let the other tank handle AoE stuff. Of if they can't do it easily the locks will just have to slow down some |
| 18:27.36 | Dashkal | Long as the pack dies... doesn't really matter |
| 18:28.26 | Dashkal | but between blood boil and a mouseover pestelance target (or a change to make pest prefer undiseased targets) I could do very respectable aoe threaty |
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| 18:31.47 | NeoTron | how would "mouseover pestilence" help if it randomly picks targets? |
| 18:31.59 | NeoTron | I do agree that it should prefer undiseased or low-duration targets |
| 18:32.01 | Dashkal | AFAIK it picks nearest targets |
| 18:32.03 | NeoTron | I thought it did |
| 18:32.27 | Dashkal | so a crafty player could spread it about by moving their mouse from right ot left as they spend the blood/death runes |
| 18:32.51 | Dashkal | If it does prefer undiseased targets, then no worries. I haven't had a chance to do real AoE testing. Kinda need a healer for that |
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| 18:37.17 | Dashkal | on the other hand, they could just make death and decay not suck so much. Right now it's field of maybe make you cower and ticklet you a bit. |
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| 18:48.29 | NeoTron | it's not meant to be as easy as consecrate |
| 18:48.39 | NeoTron | but the nerf is a bit excessive |
| 18:49.03 | NeoTron | now I haven't tried level 80 DPS but level 74-75 DPs sure seems low |
| 18:49.17 | NeoTron | I do less DPS on my DK than I did on my lock in early level 70 gar |
| 18:49.29 | Dashkal | NeoTron: at 77 it ticks for 80. |
| 18:49.50 | NeoTron | seem quite dependant on crits for good dps |
| 18:49.55 | NeoTron | due to crit dmg modifiers |
| 18:50.04 | Dashkal | I use it mostly as a stun field at the start of an AoE pull. Reduces incoming damage until I can killa couple |
| 18:50.24 | Ellipsis | random question, what's the cast time to lay it down? |
| 18:50.26 | NeoTron | yep |
| 18:50.39 | NeoTron | D&D is instant cast target circle |
| 18:50.44 | Ellipsis | hax |
| 18:50.49 | NeoTron | 30s cooldown |
| 18:51.02 | Ellipsis | so you could stun & run |
| 18:51.17 | Dashkal | Ellipsis: every single DK ability aside from our mount is instant cast |
| 18:51.27 | Dashkal | Ellipsis: you cannot stun and run. the stun is a proc. |
| 18:51.48 | Ellipsis | I know that, but x mobs running across y yards of it is going to proc at least once or twice :P |
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| 18:52.30 | Dashkal | This is true |
| 18:54.44 | NeoTron | and it's not a stun but a horror effect isn't it? |
| 18:54.53 | Ellipsis | they cower in place |
| 18:54.58 | NeoTron | right |
| 18:55.07 | NeoTron | effect is the same but it's different :P |
| 18:55.13 | Dashkal | Targets have a chance to cower in fear for 2 sec. |
| 18:55.21 | NeoTron | immunities etc |
| 18:55.22 | Dashkal | Sounds like a fear effect without the run |
| 18:55.36 | Ellipsis | I wonder |
| 18:55.40 | nevcairiel | as long as they dont run and pull everything, its fine |
| 18:55.42 | Ellipsis | anyone noticed if undead are immune to it? |
| 18:55.57 | Dashkal | I haven |
| 18:56.13 | Dashkal | I haven't noticed an immunity. I should check that tonight |
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| 18:57.30 | Dashkal | Last time I was doing serious work against undead I had lichbane on my weapon. So while I saw plenty of stuns, I couldn't tell you off the top of my head if it was my sword proccing or the d&d |
| 18:59.25 | Ellipsis | there's also the fact that a significant portion of the undead in northrend don't have the typical immunities |
| 19:00.10 | Ellipsis | (what, I'm a warlock...I have to keep track of this stuff or I die) |
| 19:01.50 | Dashkal | Northrend is thankfully very very light on immunities. |
| 19:02.01 | Dashkal | The worst I've had to deal with is water elementals. |
| 19:02.18 | Dashkal | And one guy in Sholazar that was intended to be killed specially |
| 19:03.56 | Megalon | the only class having real problems with immunities is a ele shamy with nature immune mobs :P |
| 19:04.01 | Dashkal | I'm surpries but very happy that I can disease earth elementals. Not sure how they caught it, but I'd be fucked without |
| 19:04.17 | Dashkal | Megalon: Shammies can escape that by going enh for a few levels. DKs are just plain fucked |
| 19:04.35 | Megalon | when? frostimmunity or how? |
| 19:04.39 | Dashkal | Disease immunity |
| 19:04.54 | Megalon | oh mobs can be immune to them? didn't know that |
| 19:05.07 | Dashkal | Mechanicals as a family are. Couple other specifics that escape me |
| 19:06.01 | Dashkal | Frost immune mobs are a pain, but I'm blood spec so I can handle them. |
| 19:06.08 | Ellipsis | mechanicals can go die in a fire |
| 19:06.10 | Ellipsis | growls |
| 19:06.32 | Megalon | who cares, every mob is dead after the 3rd/4th wrath! |
| 19:06.47 | Ellipsis | hah |
| 19:06.59 | Megalon | at least if they all crit |
| 19:07.00 | Megalon | :7 |
| 19:07.03 | Ellipsis | mechs don't die to me. I die to mechs. :( |
| 19:07.09 | Dashkal | Bizarre axe commercial: http://gawker.com/5047155/axe-body-spray-ads-destroy-indian-culture |
| 19:07.31 | Dashkal | Ellipsis: I've not got a lock past 50, but... remember "The Killing Fields" in westfall? :p |
| 19:07.50 | Wraithan | is there a way via /target to purposely target something that is dead |
| 19:07.51 | Wraithan | ? |
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| 19:09.04 | Ellipsis | Dashkal: do I ever |
| 19:09.38 | Ellipsis | honestly I have never run into an area so absolutely deadly to an afflock/shadowpriest as fizzcrank airstrip |
| 19:10.00 | Dashkal | My DK did HF. I didn't even want to begin to go there with the mechagnomes |
| 19:10.11 | Ellipsis | 100% mechanical, densely packed, and 1/3rd of the mobs are alarm bots which call for help from a fairly large radius |
| 19:10.13 | Dashkal | I should really go do BT on my druid, though |
| 19:10.23 | Ellipsis | I skipped the whole quest hub |
| 19:10.31 | Dashkal | I don't blame you |
| 19:10.54 | Megalon | howling fjord >> boring tundra |
| 19:11.45 | Megalon | but i'm horde, no clue what's it for alliance |
| 19:11.45 | Ellipsis | maybe if you can fly :P getting from one place to the next in HF is quite a pain |
| 19:11.53 | Dashkal | It is for alli too. But apparently the XP rate is quite a bit better in BT |
| 19:11.54 | Megalon | well, if you can fly, you won't get xp from HF quests :P |
| 19:12.02 | Dashkal | I have little issue getting around. There are nice shortcuts |
| 19:12.20 | Ellipsis | Megalon: actually that's not true |
| 19:12.24 | NeoTron | Dashkal: diseases are so much less relevant now |
| 19:12.26 | Dashkal | I managed to get "It goes to 11..." done while it was only mostly bugged. |
| 19:12.29 | Ellipsis | you gain xp from quests +/- 12 levels by then |
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| 19:12.34 | Dashkal | NeoTron: that's a design bug, it'll be fixed |
| 19:12.39 | NeoTron | BT >>>>>> HF |
| 19:12.52 | NeoTron | Dashkal: no it's intentional. they didn't like the disease scaling and removed it for the most part |
| 19:12.53 | Ellipsis | honestly, if you can stand the ugliness, BT is the win |
| 19:12.58 | Dashkal | BT is, frankly, fugly. It looks like a melted crayon set |
| 19:13.26 | NeoTron | now diseases primarily are there on their own merit, not to buff other stuff |
| 19:13.27 | Dashkal | NeoTron: No, they felt the scaling was too far. It still needs to be there. |
| 19:13.34 | NeoTron | HF questing is incredibly slow |
| 19:13.41 | Megalon | BT is like those modern fps games |
| 19:13.42 | NeoTron | compared to BT (for alliance at least) |
| 19:13.54 | Dashkal | At current levels they are better off ignored, which ignores the defining mechanic of the DK (escalating damage over the rotation) |
| 19:14.07 | NeoTron | also the as a DK I got two nice weapon upgrades from BT quests where in HF there were none for the longest time |
| 19:14.08 | Megalon | "hi, we have a trizzillion color palette but we are only going to use 2 grays and 1 beige color the whole game!" |
| 19:14.18 | Megalon | fugly zone :\ |
| 19:14.25 | Ellipsis | coldarra is beautiful though |
| 19:14.39 | Ellipsis | everything else I'd just wear sunglasses for |
| 19:14.40 | Dashkal | I need to do that hub yet. Might as well, I'm about to run out of quests for my DK. |
| 19:14.50 | Dashkal | WTB Storm Peaks |
| 19:14.58 | NeoTron | you level 80 then? |
| 19:14.59 | Dashkal | and ice crown so I can do that damn sholazar quest |
| 19:15.07 | Dashkal | I'm 77 3/4 in Shol |
| 19:15.19 | NeoTron | I'm 75, just starting on grizzly hills pretty much |
| 19:15.30 | NeoTron | didn't do all of HF because I just got tired of the zone |
| 19:15.37 | Dashkal | I _could_ get to 80, but I'd rather go do something else than grind |
| 19:15.54 | Dashkal | The only issue I had with HF was that westgarde was the hub for gjerabon[sp?] |
| 19:15.59 | Dashkal | that was a _long_ run back and forth |
| 19:16.12 | Dashkal | The rest of the zone was decently self-contained |
| 19:16.24 | NeoTron | I've tried to explain what I didn't like with HF but the main thing is very few concurrent quests |
| 19:16.24 | Megalon | Dashkal: did you go to northrend at lvl68? |
| 19:16.28 | Dashkal | yes |
| 19:16.35 | Dashkal | HF took me from 68 to 71 |
| 19:16.42 | NeoTron | did you do BT? |
| 19:16.48 | Megalon | ah ok, as i hit 80 with my druid and got some spare quests in ZD/SB |
| 19:16.57 | Dashkal | Dragonblight to 73, GH to 75, Zul'Drak to 76, Shol will prolly get me to 78 |
| 19:17.07 | Dashkal | BT I skipped entirely |
| 19:17.11 | NeoTron | so I have GH, ZD, Shol left at level 75 |
| 19:17.16 | NeoTron | I think your issue is skipping BT |
| 19:17.26 | Dashkal | BT or HF is supposed to be skipped |
| 19:17.28 | Dashkal | even for a 68 |
| 19:17.33 | NeoTron | when you get in there at 68 you should probably do some of the 2nd zone |
| 19:17.40 | Dashkal | I just stopped playing during the XP from hell patch (was camping) |
| 19:17.46 | Megalon | i was like 74 when really doing something in DB :x |
| 19:17.49 | Dashkal | I'm not behind at all. All my quests are level appropriate |
| 19:17.57 | NeoTron | I'd expect DB start at 72, not 71 |
| 19:18.01 | NeoTron | I was 74 when I left DB |
| 19:18.20 | Dashkal | I'll just need storm peaks to hit 80, and icecrown should be for gold |
| 19:18.22 | Megalon | it also depends if you did a level when they suddenly doubled the XP needed, only to lower it by 30% a week later |
| 19:18.33 | Dashkal | I've also not done a single instance. Skipped most group quests too |
| 19:18.52 | NeoTron | of course with this leveling schedule by the time you do get to 80 you'd have 1-2 zoned left |
| 19:18.54 | Dashkal | So I'm at the bottom of the curve xp-wise |
| 19:18.56 | NeoTron | which really is the same as in BC |
| 19:19.13 | NeoTron | ah. I did all but one group quest on my way and have run a bunch of instances |
| 19:19.27 | NeoTron | some of the intance quests are gold mines for xp |
| 19:19.29 | Dashkal | I still have a quest log full of dragonblight group quests (all the wanted quests) |
| 19:19.35 | NeoTron | like 40-45k xp for the finishing quest |
| 19:19.38 | Dashkal | nice |
| 19:19.51 | NeoTron | nexus is especially nice with like 3-5 quests or something. |
| 19:20.05 | Dashkal | I need to go back to BT and do the coldarra hub |
| 19:20.17 | NeoTron | very nice xp hub fur sure |
| 19:20.38 | Dashkal | I'll end up doing both come live. My DK will do HF, my druid BT |
| 19:21.18 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, I'm only halfway done the chain in Zul'Drak where you pretend to be scourge. I'm not going to kill 60 trolls with an abom that hits like a level 30 |
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| 19:22.22 | Dashkal | I'm nearly done the lifewarden chain, but I'm blocked by no man's land in icecrown (I'm being sent into a cave that's technically in icecrown) |
| 19:22.37 | Dashkal | So all I have left that I can do this patch is the wolvar vs oracles |
| 19:23.14 | NeoTron | do you want to level your DK first? |
| 19:23.35 | Dashkal | I'm torn. If I do I'll miss all the instances |
| 19:23.55 | NeoTron | just make ppl run with you a few days later |
| 19:23.56 | Dashkal | If I do I'll have to deal with the gank squads in hellfire |
| 19:24.00 | NeoTron | you can start instances at 68 :P |
| 19:24.07 | NeoTron | lolpvp |
| 19:24.18 | Dashkal | Where my friends are. I'd _much_ prefer pve |
| 19:24.20 | NeoTron | anyhow my point was whichever character you level first should do BT |
| 19:24.27 | NeoTron | since it's, literally, much faster levelign |
| 19:24.48 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I'll have to skip a hub in BT (fizzcrank) unless they fix immunities |
| 19:25.09 | Dashkal | This working form my assumption that they'll make diseases relivant again |
| 19:25.15 | NeoTron | 1) they aren't immune to diseases anymore, 2) they aren't hard even when they were |
| 19:25.37 | NeoTron | just oblit/oblit/hs/hs and then hsx6 the next time around |
| 19:25.37 | Dashkal | Definitely need to run Savrine through BT then. If I don't it'll be slower simply because it'll be my first time :p |
| 19:25.39 | NeoTron | if you're blood |
| 19:25.58 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I refuse do do that rotation. Feels like I'm exploiting a broken class to me. |
| 19:26.05 | NeoTron | err |
| 19:26.13 | NeoTron | if they are immune to disease wtf else would you do? |
| 19:26.21 | Dashkal | For immunes that's exactly what I'll do |
| 19:26.25 | NeoTron | that was my point |
| 19:26.27 | Dashkal | But I avoid the rotation in general |
| 19:26.37 | NeoTron | besides, I tried avoiding the diseases and I think they are still better |
| 19:26.43 | NeoTron | because they do actually do damage themself |
| 19:26.58 | NeoTron | worse case it's about the same |
| 19:27.22 | Dashkal | my rotation is a two parter: IT/PS/HS/HS/(DS|Oblit)/Runic then IT/PS/HS/HS/HS/HS/Runic |
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| 19:27.41 | Dashkal | If I'm low on health I'll ignore the death runes and repeat the first one |
| 19:28.32 | Dashkal | Though I have been known to go into unholy presence and build up 4 death runes so I can just mash heart strike just to amuse myself |
| 19:28.35 | Zyndrome | hurr |
| 19:28.48 | Zyndrome | I'm so used to the Frost rune rotation :< |
| 19:29.08 | Dashkal | I never did learn the frost on unholy rotations. Makes it very hard to be those specs |
| 19:30.24 | Dashkal | Though I admit to playing with lolscourgestrike for awhile |
| 19:30.31 | Dashkal | the 7-8k crits were amusing |
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| 19:31.20 | Zyndrome | www.shatteredminds.net/wotlk_beta/fraps-howling_blast.jpg |
| 19:31.38 | Zyndrome | when scorpid sting was bugged :p |
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| 19:34.12 | nevcairiel | searchable/filterable in-game combatlog? (after-the-fact filterable and searchable pls) .. like old SW_UniLog or something, just not SW :D |
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| 19:38.19 | Tifi | stealing spells = 0 threat? |
| 19:42.16 | Tifi | did anyone ever test this? |
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| 19:44.27 | Saroz | nevcairiel, ye, srf works in beta |
| 19:44.39 | nevcairiel | good |
| 19:45.04 | Tifi | whats srf? |
| 19:47.05 | nevcairiel | sRaidFrames |
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| 20:04.13 | Dashkal | demo locks: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/9/9679890957-metamorphosis-feedback.html |
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| 20:09.37 | Gngsk | feels so good when I blow my cooldowns |
| 20:11.34 | NeoTron | Dashkal: sounds like it'll be a pure win |
| 20:11.47 | NeoTron | buffs damage output, get some fun "demon only" abilties, keep the pet |
| 20:12.02 | NeoTron | that might even be enough for me to stay a lock |
| 20:12.04 | NeoTron | always liked demo |
| 20:12.27 | chiper | oh man... i am so gonna go Survival on my hunter in 3.0 |
| 20:12.31 | Dashkal | It certainly looks like a cool ability now.... Might just have to finally level that lock I keep flirting with |
| 20:12.37 | chiper | there is some awesome stuff here |
| 20:15.50 | digmouse | what a shame we get 3 warr/hunt/sham T6 Helm but I dont even get one :( |
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| 20:16.38 | NeoTron | the main anti-leveling a lock thing I'm looking at is ... very cool hunter changes and, possibly although not yet convinced, same for warlocks |
| 20:17.09 | NeoTron | the main thing making leveling a warlock sort of ... ugh ... is the lack of upgrades I'll see (and thus I'll see my absolute power decrease as I level instead of increasing) |
| 20:17.21 | Pkekyo| | can't believe that the tech is better in fucking Starship Troopers (1997) than in Starship Troopers 3 (2008)...it's rifuckingdiculous |
| 20:17.28 | digmouse | NeoTron I think they dont give love to locks |
| 20:17.32 | durcyn | NeoTron: obviously, you just need more spirit gear. |
| 20:17.56 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.09 | durcyn | NeoTron: what. |
| 20:18.16 | NeoTron | you heard me |
| 20:18.16 | digmouse | my lock friends almost pissed off seeing the changes and decided to reroll a DK |
| 20:18.28 | durcyn | I hope the person who decided that warlocks needed that useless fucking stat falls off a building |
| 20:18.33 | NeoTron | they are fixing up prot warrior/pally gear. I hope they fix lock gear too |
| 20:18.36 | durcyn | worst itemization change ever |
| 20:18.50 | NeoTron | only using BC mechanics |
| 20:18.59 | durcyn | worst mechanic change ever then. |
| 20:19.04 | NeoTron | they have done a great job in making it a desirable lock stat without much sacrifices |
| 20:19.11 | digmouse | messing the stats up is not a good idea i think |
| 20:19.11 | NeoTron | I'd much rather have spirit than int |
| 20:19.30 | NeoTron | locks don't need a lot of int, never did |
| 20:19.31 | Arrowmaster | id much rather have neither |
| 20:19.32 | durcyn | uh, why? int at least gives some small amount of crit. |
| 20:19.37 | chiper | I think the idea is that they're trying to make it not be a useless stat |
| 20:19.41 | durcyn | breaking lifetap to use a junk stat is stupid |
| 20:19.52 | Dashkal | durcyn: they want gear shared between casters. Bitch about that and ask for more wasted drops if you prefer the old way. |
| 20:19.54 | NeoTron | spirit gives a larger spell damage boost (and regen) than int gives spell crit |
| 20:20.27 | digmouse | ah spirit gives damage bonus now? |
| 20:20.28 | NeoTron | and from what I can see from level 80 there's not much doom or gloom in reality |
| 20:20.35 | NeoTron | 30% of spirit => spell damage |
| 20:20.37 | NeoTron | with fel armor |
| 20:20.40 | digmouse | wtf |
| 20:21.00 | chiper | digmouse: all casters have spirit improvements |
| 20:21.01 | NeoTron | plus 30% spirit regen while casting with fel armor |
| 20:21.22 | NeoTron | the whole point is that they don't want spirit to be a useless stat for any (mana using) class |
| 20:21.40 | NeoTron | and locks now is one of the classes that benefit the most (since lifetap scales with spirit too) |
| 20:21.46 | chiper | right now the only classes that use it are druids and priests. that's just silly |
| 20:21.51 | NeoTron | this also fixes their PvP issue with locks |
| 20:21.54 | digmouse | so that would be a continuing of 2.4 spirit change |
| 20:21.57 | NeoTron | since pvp gear doesn't have spirit |
| 20:21.58 | durcyn | no, i get what they're trying to do. and i still hate it. |
| 20:22.19 | NeoTron | why do you hate it? |
| 20:22.27 | digmouse | I agree that they try to make the casters sharing gear |
| 20:22.31 | NeoTron | I am curious because initially that was my feeling too, before they fixed it |
| 20:22.32 | chiper | because he's lazy and doesnt want to track another stat |
| 20:22.32 | durcyn | because it's the single most expensive stat point in any item budge |
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| 20:22.47 | NeoTron | it costs the same as int, str, agi... |
| 20:22.51 | NeoTron | only stat that's cheaper is stamina |
| 20:23.09 | digmouse | but I dont understand why they dont have much hits on NAXX set |
| 20:23.10 | chiper | not to mention this will make all those greens with spirit on them actually be worth something |
| 20:23.20 | NeoTron | digmouse: likely because you only need 9% hit |
| 20:23.27 | NeoTron | 3% from talents, 3% from a SP/boomkin |
| 20:23.48 | NeoTron | my testing is not conclusive but I did 150 or so searing pains with zero spell hit against a level 75 mob (at leve 72) |
| 20:23.54 | NeoTron | and got 11.5% or so miss rate |
| 20:24.13 | chiper | is there any info yet on where the spell hit cap will sit? |
| 20:24.19 | NeoTron | no |
| 20:24.41 | digmouse | NeoTron: not easy to get around 300 hit rating on blues before naxx |
| 20:24.59 | chiper | didnt think there would be. that probably wont come out till a month or two into the expac |
| 20:25.02 | NeoTron | I wasn't spell hit capped when I started raiding karazhan |
| 20:25.06 | digmouse | even with 3% hit talent I need 190 |
| 20:25.24 | NeoTron | and you forget gems |
| 20:25.31 | chiper | you arent supposed to be spell hit capped when you enter the first raid |
| 20:25.34 | NeoTron | I can get well over 200 spell hit in my current gear |
| 20:25.37 | NeoTron | without hit gems |
| 20:25.45 | digmouse | with the premade pvp gear 54 hit and 3% talent it missed a lot in 5man |
| 20:25.52 | chiper | it's unlikely you'd be capped after you finished gearing from it either |
| 20:25.58 | NeoTron | in fact in my eredar twins set with 18.5k health and reasonbly stats I sit over 202 spell hit |
| 20:26.11 | NeoTron | digmouse: pvp gear... |
| 20:26.14 | NeoTron | no hit |
| 20:26.18 | NeoTron | ofc >:-) |
| 20:26.42 | digmouse | ya, but when I start raiding SSC and TK i get all S2 with hit gem :D |
| 20:27.27 | digmouse | even now I get a S2 helm with +8 hit |
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| 20:28.05 | chiper | goes to lunch |
| 20:29.14 | digmouse | check the clock and it's 4:30am |
| 20:29.37 | smcn | who do YOU want answering the red phone? |
| 20:29.48 | mykx | NeoTron: 18.5k ? damn I tanked them with my normal pve stuff lol :( poor healers |
| 20:29.55 | Primer | smcn: not some woman |
| 20:30.04 | smcn | lol |
| 20:30.31 | NeoTron | mykx: yeah I stopped carign after we got into farm mode |
| 20:30.54 | NeoTron | so I used to have 21.5k fully buffed (commanding shout in there too) with a soul linked VW |
| 20:31.14 | mykx | we're not quite into farm mode, got our first KJ kill last night.. so hopefully we'll be full clearing in 1-2 nights so dont have to raid so damn much |
| 20:31.30 | NeoTron | you killed KJ and you're not farming twins? wut? |
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| 20:31.37 | mykx | I mean for the entire instance |
| 20:31.43 | mykx | ofc 1-4 are farm bosses :p |
| 20:31.49 | NeoTron | we just got muru last thursday |
| 20:31.57 | mykx | m'uru takes a bit before people wake up |
| 20:32.03 | mykx | and well dunno about kj yet |
| 20:32.28 | mykx | nice, now onto big red nuisance :) |
| 20:32.50 | NeoTron | was real nice to get muru after 288 wipes and 2.5 months |
| 20:32.51 | NeoTron | for sure |
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| 20:32.59 | NeoTron | but KJ scares me :P |
| 20:33.04 | mykx | haha yeah I must have spent 4k gold on that boss |
| 20:33.05 | NivFreak | NeoTron: congrats on muru finally |
| 20:33.31 | NivFreak | I thought you were past 200 wipes months ago |
| 20:33.31 | NivFreak | :P |
| 20:33.37 | mykx | KJ is odd, we can do 1 attempt and it be like a 30% wipe.. then another attempt and very early people die.. need to tone down the RNG a bit imo |
| 20:33.38 | NeoTron | I said the night of the kill "100g to everyone in the raid if we kill muru today". it was matched by another guy so 200g. and the guild bank added another 200g |
| 20:33.52 | NeoTron | which means me and the other guy in the end paid 2100g each for the kill :P |
| 20:33.53 | mykx | lmao |
| 20:33.57 | mykx | I guess people wanted their gold huh |
| 20:34.08 | NeoTron | we did really well all night |
| 20:34.12 | NeoTron | it's like it finally clicked |
| 20:34.13 | Primer | Was there a loot contingency on that though? |
| 20:34.14 | NeoTron | we tend to do that |
| 20:34.42 | NeoTron | like on brutallus we had like 80 wipes before seeing an enrage |
| 20:34.48 | NeoTron | and then he died before 90 wipes |
| 20:34.49 | mykx | This pally got 2 pieces from our first kill last night so i'm sure he was happy :P |
| 20:34.59 | NeoTron | our druid tank got 2x pieces from muru |
| 20:35.08 | mykx | nice :) |
| 20:35.13 | NeoTron | no trinket. I figured a trinket always dropped |
| 20:35.19 | NeoTron | they should really have it so one always drops |
| 20:35.26 | NeoTron | esp after the illidan fiasco |
| 20:35.33 | mykx | I just need felmyst staff and a couple things from m'uru/kj so pretty much stopped caring about loot |
| 20:36.07 | mykx | hrm yeah lol |
| 20:36.08 | NeoTron | hehe I got the first staff from felmyst |
| 20:36.12 | NivFreak | I wonder if they will remove the dodge debuff from sunwell when 3.0 hits |
| 20:36.20 | NeoTron | to use in my twins tanking set (3xstam gems in it) |
| 20:36.20 | mykx | ah lucky you! lol |
| 20:36.27 | NeoTron | no one else bid.. for some weird reason |
| 20:36.33 | NivFreak | they stripped a LOT of avoidance off war/pally prot gear |
| 20:36.39 | mykx | I'm using some crappier rings to balance out my hit, but when I get the ele shaman it's lovely :P |
| 20:36.59 | NeoTron | I don't have thw ZA ring - it doesn't drop |
| 20:37.08 | mykx | Za ring + naj'entus ring with no ele shammy |
| 20:37.10 | NeoTron | but have the naj'entus ring, bt haste ring and the crafted JC ring |
| 20:37.22 | mykx | otherwise bt trash ring + hyjal exalted ftw(according to leulier) :P |
| 20:37.41 | NeoTron | hyjal exalted is too random for my liking |
| 20:37.47 | NeoTron | worse case it doesn't really do shit |
| 20:37.53 | Fisker- | NeoTron ! |
| 20:37.56 | Fisker- | i got you now |
| 20:37.58 | NeoTron | the procs work out to be around 20 spell dmg though |
| 20:38.06 | mykx | yeah that's not bad |
| 20:38.19 | mykx | it's nice popping hex head and having a ring proc, go go 10.5k+ sbolts |
| 20:38.23 | Fisker- | Any reason why Fubar plugins can't just show "Data" instead of "Fubar name: Data" in button bin? |
| 20:38.23 | NeoTron | assuming perfect use |
| 20:38.32 | Fisker- | Infact most of the time it just shows the name and not the data |
| 20:38.33 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 20:38.41 | Primer | Is there any way to easily add options to another addon's prefs? |
| 20:38.50 | NeoTron | Fisker-: whomever made the fubar2broker felt that was a good design choice? |
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| 20:39.10 | Primer | For example, I'd like to add some options to pitbull's profile options, which apparently is done entirely in LibRockConfig |
| 20:39.24 | NeoTron | specifically I haven't done per-datablock config yetr |
| 20:39.26 | Fisker- | NeoTron given that it work for Bugsack i was thinking it was a problem on your end >:E |
| 20:39.28 | mykx | The caster m'uru trinket though is very situation, granted it's amazing for say brut but having to stand inside that circle to use it is meh |
| 20:39.33 | Fisker- | worked* |
| 20:39.33 | mykx | situational* |
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| 20:39.53 | NeoTron | how often do you run around and nuke? :P |
| 20:40.06 | mykx | KJ you can find yourself moving very often depending on luck |
| 20:40.07 | NeoTron | considering my two trinkets are ZA + darkmoon card, I think I'll pick it up if it drops |
| 20:40.22 | Kolie | Any windows curse client users want to test my latest compile ( or new users ) ? |
| 20:40.23 | durcyn | i can remember one time i've had to move out of my muru trinket's circle, and that was to dodge a meteor |
| 20:40.43 | NeoTron | we have one active skull in the guild |
| 20:40.50 | mykx | I guess you haven't experienced blooms near you all night then eh durcyn hehe |
| 20:41.03 | durcyn | mykx: no, we don't suck at fire blooms, sorry. |
| 20:41.08 | Primer | All this talk of bosses I've never seen makes me sad :( |
| 20:41.25 | NeoTron | Primer: be happy |
| 20:41.26 | mykx | afaik neither do we, nobody dies from them but.. it's silly to just stand there :\ |
| 20:41.29 | Arrowmaster | they made me come tank illy lastnight, another skull droped although apparently they arent very common for this guild |
| 20:41.40 | NeoTron | SWP is one of the most draining, horrible experiences in my WoW raid leading life |
| 20:41.59 | Fisker- | blargh |
| 20:42.00 | Fisker- | i'm ded |
| 20:42.04 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: let's just say for us we have had 2 legendary MH drops... and 2 skull drops |
| 20:42.13 | Kolie | Fisker-, thats what you get. |
| 20:42.15 | thul | gooood evening |
| 20:42.48 | Ellipsis | licks thul |
| 20:43.35 | Arrowmaster | we got a hyjal instance from another guild too lastnight, the wrong fucking sword droped |
| 20:43.55 | Stanzilla | same |
| 20:43.58 | Stanzilla | but we got ToC |
| 20:44.05 | Arrowmaster | =( |
| 20:44.09 | Arrowmaster | we got a cats |
| 20:44.13 | Stanzilla | :/ |
| 20:44.25 | Stanzilla | ToC shard #3 |
| 20:44.26 | Stanzilla | :(( |
| 20:44.34 | Arrowmaster | give |
| 20:44.37 | Primer | omg |
| 20:44.41 | mykx | it was sharded? :\ should have given it to a pally over sharding it |
| 20:44.50 | Stanzilla | our pallies already have it |
| 20:45.12 | mykx | well then I guess your casters are happy lol |
| 20:45.12 | Ellipsis | should have given it to me then! |
| 20:45.35 | NeoTron | one thing I am not lacking is caster weapons |
| 20:45.45 | NeoTron | I have the illidan staff, felmyst staff and archimonde dagger |
| 20:45.47 | Stanzilla | well I would be mine if I had been allowed to go with my alt :/ |
| 20:45.59 | NeoTron | Stanzilla: you sharded it over giving it to an alt? |
| 20:46.08 | NeoTron | oh wait you didn't GO with the alt, nm |
| 20:46.14 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 20:46.24 | Stanzilla | because our raid is full of whiners |
| 20:46.48 | Stanzilla | "no alts even if it is a mage and can decurse, iceblock and blink out of the fire" |
| 20:46.52 | NeoTron | we don't allow alts, except rarely if we use them, on normal raid nights |
| 20:46.53 | Stanzilla | >.< |
| 20:47.07 | NeoTron | the drama / "but why can't I bring" issues aren't worth it |
| 20:47.57 | Stanzilla | maybe |
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| 20:49.11 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: die |
| 20:49.14 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 20:49.20 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: i have the SWP badge dagger =( |
| 20:49.37 | *** part/#wowace Morrad (n=grahjm2a@res243137.resnet.wsu.edu) |
| 20:49.42 | cncfanatics | I remember some people have a conversation about window managers a bit earlyer, what window manager would people recommend ? I'm looking for something lightweight |
| 20:49.50 | cncfanatics | leaning towards Xfce atm |
| 20:50.01 | Arrowmaster | probably a good choice |
| 20:50.24 | durcyn | cncfanatics: xfce, maybe fluxbox |
| 20:50.25 | Ellipsis | lightweight? ratpoison! |
| 20:50.25 | Arrowmaster | or you could go the oldschool route with something like fluxbox |
| 20:50.45 | Ellipsis | personally xfce comes with too many bells and whistles, I prefer fluxbox |
| 20:50.58 | Fisker- | Ellipsis |
| 20:51.02 | cncfanatics | define bells and whistles |
| 20:51.07 | Arrowmaster | i use blackbox on my windows desktop |
| 20:51.09 | Fisker- | balls >:3 |
| 20:51.12 | Ellipsis | it's a "desktop environment" rather than a window manager |
| 20:51.25 | Fisker- | desktop is for pussies |
| 20:51.26 | Ellipsis | which is fine if that's what you're looking for |
| 20:51.38 | cncfanatics | it is rly, its gonna be my laptop for using at school |
| 20:51.52 | Fisker- | licks cncfanatics |
| 20:51.54 | Ellipsis | then go for it :) |
| 20:52.37 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: <3 archlinux |
| 20:53.10 | Fisker- | Ellipsis can be stopped |
| 20:53.12 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 20:53.16 | cncfanatics | its like gentoo without scrolling text for days |
| 20:53.23 | Arrowmaster | debian > * |
| 20:53.39 | cncfanatics | I've been using debian up to now |
| 20:53.57 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: prove it |
| 20:54.21 | cncfanatics | I like how archlinux doesn't do everything for me :p |
| 20:54.33 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: haha, it is pretty nice |
| 20:54.33 | thul | SLACKWARE |
| 20:54.41 | thul | cncfanatics: but you should use pekwm |
| 20:54.42 | Fisker- | stops Ellipsis |
| 20:54.42 | Wraithan | and the #archlinux channel is pretty good |
| 20:54.44 | Arrowmaster | i think i might be considered an oldschool debian user by now |
| 20:54.51 | Ellipsis | runs over Fisker- |
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| 20:54.53 | Xelopheris | real men use command line unix |
| 20:54.55 | Ellipsis | whoops, my bad |
| 20:54.58 | Ellipsis | keeps going |
| 20:55.05 | cncfanatics | I've used debian for about 6 years now, not that much but still respectable |
| 20:55.07 | Wraithan | Xelopheris: xmonad ftw |
| 20:55.10 | Arrowmaster | Xelopheris: thats the only kind ive ever used |
| 20:55.15 | cncfanatics | time to try something else :) the grass is greener on the other side anyway :p |
| 20:55.15 | Fisker- | stops Ellipsis |
| 20:55.32 | Ellipsis | disables Fisker- and keeps on going |
| 20:55.38 | Wraithan | then you have all the power of CLI, but with nice tiled WM |
| 20:55.43 | Fisker- | YOU WILL REGRET THE DAY YOU CROSSED ME |
| 20:55.45 | Arrowmaster | i like how the debian package system 'just works' all the time |
| 20:55.46 | thul | hogties Ellipsis |
| 20:55.53 | thul | oh, out of context AGAIN, sorry |
| 20:55.56 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: get xmonad or one of the tiled wms setup... they are great |
| 20:55.56 | thul | :-P |
| 20:56.07 | cncfanatics | tiled ? |
| 20:56.10 | thul | cncfanatics: pekwm > kahakai > waimea > anything else |
| 20:56.33 | cncfanatics | well, I need something with applets, toolbars and a file explorer rly, oh, and a clock too |
| 20:56.42 | Wraithan | ratpoison, dwm, xmonad, etc |
| 20:56.48 | Wraithan | oh |
| 20:56.50 | Wraithan | kdemod |
| 20:56.51 | Wraithan | ftw |
| 20:57.08 | cncfanatics | I'm not into kde |
| 20:57.08 | Wraithan | if you are going for a full setup like that |
| 20:57.23 | Wraithan | kdemod is the win though, |
| 20:57.26 | Arrowmaster | my laptop doesnt even have X installed |
| 20:57.30 | Wraithan | modular kde |
| 20:57.37 | Wraithan | customized for arch |
| 20:57.40 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: makes it a bit hard to play WoW on it eh ? |
| 20:57.46 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:57.51 | Arrowmaster | it wouldnt run wow anyway |
| 20:58.02 | cncfanatics | well, its my ever day pc, so I run everything on it heh |
| 20:58.09 | Arrowmaster | i should dig out the other laptop for fun |
| 20:58.09 | cncfanatics | which is also why I do want some bells and whistles |
| 20:58.34 | Primer | I've pondered running Linux exclusively at home again...but I just can't get wow + vent to work reliably in wine |
| 20:58.42 | cncfanatics | I did Primer |
| 20:58.45 | cncfanatics | its pretty easy |
| 20:58.48 | Primer | heh |
| 20:58.50 | cncfanatics | push to talk was broken right ? |
| 20:58.52 | Arrowmaster | the other laptop (my old school laptop) is even better, its like a 266mhz p2 or something |
| 20:59.01 | Primer | yesterday I tried it and as soon as vent started, wow crashed |
| 20:59.01 | cncfanatics | or were there other issues too ? |
| 20:59.04 | thul | I like dream theater |
| 20:59.10 | thul | quite a it actually |
| 20:59.12 | Primer | the backtrace showed shit going into vent's exe |
| 20:59.20 | cncfanatics | Primer: shouldn't happen with a recent wine |
| 20:59.24 | thul | I could not live without photoshop, lightroom, wow, ventrilo etc |
| 20:59.27 | thul | hence: osx |
| 20:59.35 | Primer | wine-1.0-1.fc9.i386 |
| 20:59.40 | Ellipsis | I could not live without Fisker- |
| 20:59.46 | Ellipsis | hence, I must use an IRC-capable computer |
| 20:59.50 | Arrowmaster | ** Closing Connection: Unable to transfer data (Broken pipe) |
| 20:59.51 | Arrowmaster | FUCK |
| 21:00.02 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: what were you running ? |
| 21:00.09 | cncfanatics | Primer: weird |
| 21:00.15 | cncfanatics | Primer: ati graphics card ? |
| 21:00.19 | Primer | cncfanatics: naw, nvidia |
| 21:00.31 | Primer | thing is, this was working relatively well a few days ago |
| 21:00.34 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: an xdcc download |
| 21:00.43 | Primer | after long hours of uptime though, vent starts to crap out |
| 21:00.47 | Arrowmaster | my harddrive is full again |
| 21:00.54 | Primer | it gets to the point where I can't push to talk no matter what I do |
| 21:00.54 | cncfanatics | never had that issue even after 5 hours of raiding >.> |
| 21:00.58 | Wraithan | If you are having problems with PTT outside of Wine, an experimental program has been hacked together. You can download ventriloctrl-0.5 or ventriloctrl-0.4 or ventriloctrl-0.3. |
| 21:01.05 | cncfanatics | yea push to talk is buggy without some tweaks |
| 21:01.08 | Wraithan | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9832 |
| 21:01.15 | Primer | yeah, I've seen that |
| 21:01.25 | Primer | haven't bothered, as I've been able to make it work |
| 21:01.33 | cncfanatics | alternativly, with the latest wine just changing some settings in vent is enough |
| 21:01.41 | cncfanatics | no need for ventriloctrl since a few releases now |
| 21:01.59 | Wraithan | I am considering moving back to using linux on my gaming box |
| 21:02.19 | cncfanatics | I've never used anything else for years now |
| 21:02.30 | cncfanatics | except when I broke something majorly and didn't have bandwidth to reinstall |
| 21:02.34 | Primer | <-- desktop Linux user since 1995 |
| 21:02.38 | Wraithan | just gunna be a pain to get everything setup again |
| 21:02.43 | Primer | nothing but Linux since 1996 |
| 21:02.47 | cncfanatics | 2000 or so for me |
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| 21:02.56 | cncfanatics | with some windows escapades for a few weeks sometimes :p |
| 21:03.07 | cncfanatics | I broke my root access once and was out of bandwidth for that month |
| 21:03.08 | Primer | My only use of windows is for games |
| 21:03.20 | cncfanatics | I simply don't play games that don't run on linux heh |
| 21:03.21 | cncfanatics | screw them |
| 21:03.29 | Wraithan | 8+ years of linux on my alternate computer, but I switch back and forth on my gaming box |
| 21:03.39 | Arrowmaster | i havent been able to switch over yet, but my next computer will probably be linux mainly |
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| 21:04.05 | Fisker- | >:3 Ellipsis |
| 21:04.06 | Arrowmaster | wants one of them new quad core intels with hyperthreading |
| 21:04.07 | Primer | I only have Linux on this box I'm on now at work |
| 21:04.26 | Primer | hyperthreading is a joke, just stick with cores |
| 21:04.31 | cncfanatics | Primer :nothing but Linux since 1996 |
| 21:04.37 | cncfanatics | Primer: I only have Linux on this box I'm on now at work |
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| 21:04.38 | cncfanatics | eh ? |
| 21:04.44 | Primer | as far as a desktop goes, yes |
| 21:04.54 | Arrowmaster | Primer: its not a joke when you combine them |
| 21:05.12 | Primer | Meaning, this box I'm on now, my workstation at work, _only_ has Linux |
| 21:05.23 | Primer | my main home box has windows for games |
| 21:05.26 | Primer | but Linux for everything else |
| 21:05.50 | Primer | which is why I'm actually using wine, since I play at work some times |
| 21:05.58 | cncfanatics | I bought this laptop a few weeks ago |
| 21:06.05 | cncfanatics | first thing I did is create the vista backup cd's |
| 21:06.10 | cncfanatics | and then throw it off my damn harddisk |
| 21:06.17 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: my next pc will be one of those |
| 21:06.20 | Wraithan | workstation I have been linux only, other than at work because QA requires me to use the supported OSs not what I want to use lol |
| 21:06.42 | NeoTron | Primer: the core i7 hyperthreading is supposedly better.. but it's still a quad core cpu |
| 21:07.22 | Kolie | HyperThreading is not a joke, the reason its turned off is because of massive power usage it used. |
| 21:07.40 | Kolie | Which apparently intel solved. |
| 21:07.56 | thul | question of the day: who dedicated madonna her song "like a virgin" to, at her last concert in rome? |
| 21:08.07 | NeoTron | it used to literally be no benefit in performance and sometimes a net loss |
| 21:08.09 | [dRaCo] | her virgnity? |
| 21:08.12 | NeoTron | so it was pretty much a joke :P |
| 21:08.18 | thul | "who" |
| 21:08.22 | cncfanatics | does uname -m give the current kernel type that is running or the actual type of the processor ? |
| 21:08.33 | Arrowmaster | kernel type |
| 21:08.42 | cncfanatics | ok, thought so |
| 21:09.10 | thul | FreeBSD gauk.unixgen.com 6.1-RELEASE-p19 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p19 #1: Tue Aug 7 22:20:48 CEST 2007 root@gauk.unixgen.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/gauk i386 |
| 21:09.18 | Arrowmaster | does it sound weird that i used to use 586 kernels on my main nix box? |
| 21:09.42 | Kolie | Some loads had decreased performance, and it was very little compared to the big gains it had on other loads which was 15% increase on overage. And it was a flaw in their early impkementations, they have supposedly solved the power and low performance issues. |
| 21:09.45 | cncfanatics | using x86_64 now |
| 21:10.02 | Fisker- | 2+2 = 4 |
| 21:10.58 | thul | no answers? :-( |
| 21:11.01 | thul | I'm so dissapointed |
| 21:11.11 | Primer | the problem was that initially people thought of the "sibbling" as a real CPU |
| 21:11.16 | Primer | when it in fact wasn't |
| 21:11.24 | Kolie | The problem with intel was their system for out of order execution in pentium 4 caused massive thread starvation for one of the hyper threads because it would send instructions that couldnt execute yet and would have to wait. |
| 21:11.54 | Kolie | Which is were u saw the performance loss under certain situations. |
| 21:12.05 | Primer | Many situations, IIRC |
| 21:12.08 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.26 | Arrowmaster | the i7 really does look like the most inovative work put into processor design in a long time though |
| 21:12.36 | NeoTron | I like multi-cpu setups but also want top notch gaming performance |
| 21:12.45 | NeoTron | and i7 seems like it'll solve both in its elegant fashion |
| 21:13.10 | NeoTron | shutting cores off and overclocking the remaining core(s) is pretty darn smart |
| 21:13.13 | cncfanatics | i7 ? what exactly does it do |
| 21:13.13 | Arrowmaster | since they literally went backwards and made the transistors slower and then redesigned everything else to make it faster overall |
| 21:13.18 | cncfanatics | I haven't been following cpu's in years |
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| 21:14.22 | Kolie | What games are CPU bound? Im running a quad cpu setup and I havent seen any cpu problems really. |
| 21:14.47 | cncfanatics | I wasn't cpu bound when running WoW and the witcher in vmware both at once ... |
| 21:15.02 | cncfanatics | WoW in linux and the witcher in vmware that is |
| 21:15.10 | Arrowmaster | http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/IDF-Inside-Nehalem/ |
| 21:15.38 | Wraithan | ryup |
| 21:15.39 | Wraithan | oops |
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| 21:16.29 | cncfanatics | memory improvements mainly ? |
| 21:16.30 | Kolie | No one interested in giving the ms version of the CC a test? |
| 21:16.41 | cncfanatics | since when are we memory speed bound ? we're hard disk speed bound most of the time |
| 21:16.41 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: no improvements in everything |
| 21:16.47 | NeoTron | Kolie: I have an athlon x2 4400. I'm very cpu bound |
| 21:17.21 | Arrowmaster | i have an athlon xp 3000+, flash is cpu bound.... |
| 21:17.37 | cncfanatics | get intel cpu's already :p |
| 21:17.44 | Arrowmaster | not out yet =( |
| 21:17.47 | NeoTron | my computer is old. it's being replaced |
| 21:18.01 | cncfanatics | I wish I could have waited for those new i7 processors |
| 21:18.07 | NeoTron | it will be replaced with a core i7 box, sometime Q4 2008 or Q1 2009 |
| 21:18.10 | cncfanatics | but well, I needed my laptop by september for univ |
| 21:18.14 | Kolie | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/18/87/990/CurseSetup-2.0.0.4.Test.exe if anyone cares. |
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| 21:18.28 | cncfanatics | Kolie: curse client ? |
| 21:18.30 | Primer | runs wine CurseSetup-2.0.0.4.Test.exe |
| 21:18.36 | Kolie | Yes. |
| 21:18.39 | cncfanatics | Kolie: btw, someone reverse engineered some curse client stuff |
| 21:18.43 | cncfanatics | if you care |
| 21:18.49 | Primer | and ported it to Linux! |
| 21:18.50 | Kolie | Again or still the first time? |
| 21:18.56 | cncfanatics | no idea |
| 21:19.01 | Kolie | They dont need to port it to linux, it runs on linux already. |
| 21:19.07 | Kolie | Was it in python and named purse? |
| 21:19.07 | NeoTron | Kolie: to be honest here, can't expect it to not happen |
| 21:19.15 | cncfanatics | Kolie: yep |
| 21:19.22 | cncfanatics | Kolie: giev native linux rly |
| 21:19.23 | Kolie | I never said it wouldnt happen, infact I told people it would. |
| 21:19.40 | Kolie | I have a native linux build. |
| 21:19.50 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 21:19.56 | cncfanatics | what language is it written in btw ? |
| 21:20.02 | Kolie | c++ |
| 21:20.17 | Arrowmaster | http://www.hothardware.com/image_popup.aspx?image=big_slide29.jpg&articleid=1204&t=a |
| 21:20.18 | Arrowmaster | http://www.hothardware.com/image_popup.aspx?image=big_slide30.jpg&articleid=1204&t=a |
| 21:20.25 | Arrowmaster | the really major changes in the i7 |
| 21:20.27 | Kolie | cncfanatics: There is no official support on a linux build, officially. |
| 21:20.59 | Kolie | Name game supports it natively that the client would be used with. |
| 21:21.02 | cncfanatics | Kolie: out of curiosity, what are you using to create your windows ? Qt , GTK, or something else ? |
| 21:21.05 | Stanzilla | the new ipods are damn sexy :O |
| 21:21.22 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: man that stuff means very little to me :P |
| 21:21.37 | Kolie | I use a cross platform toolkit that uses whatever is available. on windows, it uses winapi, mackintosh carbon/cocoa, and under linux GTK |
| 21:21.41 | Stanzilla | http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/09/09/160834-4gipodnano_033-1_400.jpg |
| 21:21.49 | Kolie | QT and GTK are conflicting ideas. |
| 21:21.55 | Kolie | I believe QT uses GTK under linux. |
| 21:22.00 | NeoTron | err no |
| 21:22.04 | NeoTron | QT is QT |
| 21:22.05 | cncfanatics | Kolie: no :p |
| 21:22.11 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 21:22.13 | Kolie | yea I knew i was wrong. |
| 21:22.13 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.14 | Kolie | But. |
| 21:22.25 | ckknight | QT is also Qt, not QT |
| 21:22.36 | Kolie | my finger is lazy |
| 21:22.37 | NeoTron | and QT is a lot nicer to code for than GTK, but I tend to like GTK based ui's better (caveat - little QT4 experience) |
| 21:22.42 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: oh i actually went looking after you said that, now im disappointed since its just a shitty nano |
| 21:22.55 | CIA-58 | 03Mera-92869 * r33 10OneCompanion/ (11 files in 4 dirs): |
| 21:22.55 | CIA-58 | OneCompanion: |
| 21:22.55 | CIA-58 | -added cooldown frames |
| 21:22.55 | CIA-58 | -added customizable frame for previewing companions |
| 21:22.58 | Stanzilla | 16gb nano is big enough :P |
| 21:23.03 | Arrowmaster | is not |
| 21:23.04 | cncfanatics | NeoTron: they're usualy as good as they were coded, wether they're using GTK or Qt usualy doesn't make much difference |
| 21:23.07 | Kolie | I've used alot of QT but it wasnt for linux. |
| 21:23.08 | Ellipsis | ugh |
| 21:23.09 | Stanzilla | oh and hey, new earphones for only 80$ |
| 21:23.11 | Stanzilla | lawl |
| 21:23.26 | Ellipsis | apple STILL hasn't figured out that the headphone jack needs to be somewhere else? |
| 21:23.32 | cncfanatics | Stanzilla: apple prices ftw :D you pay for the sexyness |
| 21:23.33 | Ellipsis | facepalms |
| 21:23.35 | Ellipsis | so much for design |
| 21:23.37 | Morrad | the earphones that come with nanos aren't bad enough to make me spend $80 for new ones |
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| 21:23.44 | NeoTron | I prefer qt for coding by far though. much cleaner, sane api |
| 21:23.56 | cncfanatics | I never coded against either of them, so I couldn't say heh |
| 21:24.12 | Stanzilla | Unlike many small headphones, each earpiece of the Apple In-Ear Headphones contains two separate high-performance drivers â a woofer to handle bass and mid-range sounds and a tweeter for high-frequency audio. |
| 21:24.14 | Kolie | Qt api clean? they must have changed a bit since my last foray. |
| 21:24.14 | Stanzilla | O_O |
| 21:24.17 | Fisker- | haxes |
| 21:24.31 | NeoTron | Kolie: have you looked at GTK+? Including things like documentation? |
| 21:24.35 | Kolie | My favorite was one return indicating any of 3-4 errors. |
| 21:24.51 | Kolie | I havent used GTK directly no. |
| 21:25.12 | NeoTron | I'm not going to argue vx vs qt because I haven't used vx |
| 21:25.23 | cncfanatics | my favorite for a clean api is winapi, ahem |
| 21:25.31 | Stanzilla | http://images.apple.com/ipodnano/images/ipodnano_hero20080909.jpg |
| 21:25.35 | Stanzilla | I like the pink one! |
| 21:25.41 | Arrowmaster | TIME FOR FUN! |
| 21:25.47 | Kolie | :) I happen to like the newer sections of the winapi. |
| 21:25.54 | cncfanatics | Stanzilla: white, black or gray, ktnx |
| 21:25.56 | FinalX | Stanzilla: I ordered the red one for my wife today. |
| 21:26.03 | FinalX | right after the keynote =P |
| 21:26.04 | Kolie | as a whole is a mess. |
| 21:26.04 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 21:26.12 | Stanzilla | I would buy the green or blue one tho |
| 21:26.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, first time I'll be using kde in quite some time now |
| 21:26.51 | cncfanatics | always been using gnome so far |
| 21:27.40 | Primer | that's the greatest thing about linux, ultimate configurability |
| 21:27.54 | Primer | I don't use KDE or Gnome |
| 21:27.57 | Primer | I use openbox |
| 21:27.57 | FinalX | ..and the downside of it |
| 21:28.03 | cncfanatics | using "kdemod" atm |
| 21:28.04 | FinalX | xfce! :) |
| 21:28.08 | cncfanatics | it looks nice |
| 21:28.17 | Primer | heh, I'm a user of my own box...my box is just that, MY BOX! |
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| 21:28.25 | Primer | I don't care if you can't navigate my box :) |
| 21:28.27 | Kolie | ratpoision |
| 21:28.34 | Primer | haha |
| 21:28.36 | FinalX | I like xfce :) |
| 21:28.37 | Primer | no thanks |
| 21:28.58 | Primer | xfce is nice |
| 21:29.01 | Primer | I used it for a while |
| 21:29.08 | cncfanatics | if I don't like kdemod I'll be trying some others heh |
| 21:29.11 | cncfanatics | xfce is next on my list |
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| 21:32.03 | nocts|work | z0mg |
| 21:32.12 | cncfanatics | wha ? |
| 21:32.15 | nocts|work | nou |
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| 21:34.13 | Kolie | On a side not, the CC no longer installs the "latest" version on curse.com ( was selectable as yes/no on initial install ) now it defaults no and you have to manually renable it. |
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| 21:36.57 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: kdemod looks GREAT |
| 21:37.00 | cncfanatics | bloody great even |
| 21:37.39 | nocts|work | link |
| 21:37.55 | cncfanatics | http://kdemod.ath.cx/ |
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| 21:38.23 | nocts|work | Not bad. |
| 21:38.32 | cncfanatics | this make me feels like on a mac |
| 21:38.37 | cncfanatics | I damn love those looks |
| 21:38.40 | nocts|work | I don't like kde, but that is a nice look |
| 21:39.05 | nocts|work | How much additional code is it to hook into the default blizzard configuration menu? In general. Not sure it'll be worth it over one-line lua configuations if there is only one or two options |
| 21:39.25 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: worth it using berryl with kdemod ? |
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| 21:42.55 | Wraithan | nah |
| 21:43.22 | Wraithan | I use standard kdemod, because the computer that I use linux on is mainly for chatting/server stuff |
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| 21:47.10 | Primer | nocts|work: I migrated my Ace addon to use the blizzard config pretty easily |
| 21:47.18 | Primer | I was using Rock before |
| 21:47.28 | nocts|work | I'm talking about single-line variable configurations though. |
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| 21:47.40 | nocts|work | How many lines of code "generally" speaking are you talking about? |
| 21:48.20 | Primer | well, considering that you have to handle everything, there's no one-liners |
| 21:48.34 | Primer | but perhaps I don't quite get what you mean...it happens a lot |
| 21:49.06 | nocts|work | repairCost = 80 |
| 21:49.10 | nocts|work | That's the line I'd change in lua. |
| 21:55.22 | Elgren | Anyone know exactly how the new experience boost thing works when you refer a friend into wow? |
| 21:55.34 | Ellipsis | kind of like rested |
| 21:56.12 | Elgren | yes |
| 21:56.13 | Elgren | but |
| 21:56.25 | Elgren | if I refer someone, does he get 3x experience? |
| 21:56.32 | Elgren | or is there some requirement to it? |
| 21:56.39 | Elgren | and, do I get 3x experience? |
| 21:57.17 | Ellipsis | afaik it's only when you're grouped or something |
| 21:57.33 | Elgren | ok |
| 21:57.45 | Elgren | and I gain experience aswell? |
| 21:58.12 | Ellipsis | it appears so |
| 21:58.22 | Ellipsis | only up to 60 of course |
| 21:58.37 | Elgren | yes |
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| 22:31.27 | thul | http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs37/i/2008/253/6/1/What__by_cainadamsson.jpg <- portrait of the day |
| 22:36.21 | nocts|work | sfw? |
| 22:36.35 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:36.52 | thul | all my portraits are safe for work |
| 22:36.55 | thul | or, all but one so far atleast. |
| 22:39.14 | nocts|work | She's cute |
| 22:40.30 | thul | I think so :-) |
| 22:40.35 | thul | quiz-team-member. |
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| 22:41.51 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: kdemod is pwetty !! |
| 22:41.53 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 22:42.02 | cncfanatics | and its pretty damn fast too |
| 22:44.28 | Ellipsis | thul: can has her email address? ;) |
| 22:45.42 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: *hug*!!! |
| 22:46.43 | Ellipsis | hehe, hiya Zhinjio |
| 22:47.42 | thul | Ellipsis: ofc |
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| 22:56.55 | Paene | Anyone know a good mumble server provider? |
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| 23:26.56 | NeoTron | so how the heck does mumble do positional audio for wow? |
| 23:27.07 | Paene | dunno |
| 23:27.20 | Paene | prob grabs info from the game? |
| 23:27.28 | NeoTron | it claims to do it for WoW but I don't understand how it could withotu violating the TOS etc |
| 23:27.45 | Paene | only violates the ToS if they don't have permission |
| 23:32.09 | NeoTron | I guess since it's open source that you could in theory look at the source |
| 23:32.37 | NeoTron | "The WoW plugin itself seems to be written for version 1.10, so I guess the reason for it not being included in recent builds is that it is unmaintained and does not work with recent versions of WoW. " |
| 23:34.07 | NeoTron | I'm guessnig it was a pre-2.0 thnig that did something "shady" that no longer is allowed by warden |
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| 23:48.32 | Valhallaresa | where can I find fubar for wotlk? |
| 23:48.43 | ckknight | just use FuBar. |
| 23:48.49 | ckknight | it should work fine |
| 23:49.00 | Valhallaresa | sweet.. Didn't know it worked :) |
| 23:49.00 | Valhallaresa | ty :) |
| 23:52.04 | CIA-58 | rawr: 03Tekkub 07master * rdb3e0aa 10/ Rawr.lua : Belfs suck - http://is.gd/2q5P |
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| 23:56.27 | Shique | Hi, can anyone offer me any help with the click2cast addon? |
| 23:57.08 | ckknight | what's your issue? |
| 23:57.17 | Shique | It's not there |
| 23:57.24 | ckknight | ...? |
| 23:57.30 | Shique | Before the last patch, I had it set up and was using it np |
| 23:57.46 | ckknight | get the most updated version? |
| 23:57.47 | Shique | Since then I simply have had no way of accessing it |
| 23:57.48 | Shique | yes |
| 23:57.49 | ckknight | type /ace3 |
| 23:57.55 | ckknight | go to the menu |
| 23:57.56 | Shique | moment |
| 23:57.58 | ckknight | choose Click2Cast |
| 23:58.03 | ckknight | or whatever it is |
| 23:58.07 | ckknight | ag changed it |
| 23:58.19 | Shique | ag_unitframes |
| 23:58.39 | Shique | . /ace3 does nothing |
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| 23:59.28 | ckknight | andreasg is a person, Shique |
| 23:59.30 | Shique | Its unavailable in fubar, the main forum post on the thing says if you use ag_unitframes (which I do) that it is in that manu, but no. |
| 23:59.39 | ckknight | he makes Click2Cast and ag_UnitFrames |
| 23:59.49 | Shique | ah |
| 23:59.54 | ckknight | k, got any errors? |
