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| 00:04.30 | nocts|work | http://www.gooncity.com/ |
| 00:04.32 | Fisker- | oh |
| 00:04.39 | Fisker- | thought it was H for Ho Wraithan >:E |
| 00:05.11 | Ellipsis | Fisker- clearly grew up on an entirely different set of cards |
| 00:05.29 | PProvost | Can someone recommend and instance maps addon? Recently switched to Mapster and miss my instance maps. |
| 00:05.53 | Stanzilla | InstanceMaps is in /wowace/trunk imo |
| 00:06.23 | PProvost | Bah. There it is. Thanks. |
| 00:08.24 | Wraithan | nocts|work: heh, I gotse G C |
| 00:09.08 | nocts|work | ? |
| 00:09.25 | nocts|work | Huh? |
| 00:10.40 | Wraithan | http://www.gooncity.com/?x=2.220611572265625&y=-0.475153244974683&z=11 |
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| 00:35.35 | Pkekyo| | "A Nintendo console without a Mario game is like a fat kids swimming without water wings." |
| 00:35.42 | Wraithan | best vim colorscheme.... GO! |
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| 00:37.29 | Fisker- | boller Pkekyo| |
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| 00:39.36 | break19 | ugh, i dunno what I added recently that would cause this, but it's annoying as hell: "uh oh" sound is played every time I get aggro. The only thing's that have aggro notification that I've installed recently is ouf_banzai, and aloft (which has it's aggro disabled) |
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| 00:40.20 | Fisker- | uh oh is the sound played by bugsack |
| 00:40.30 | Fisker- | The aggro modules usually play the "Aggro!" sound :o |
| 00:41.08 | break19 | nah. my bugsack says "fatality" but I have it disabled |
| 00:41.15 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
| 00:41.17 | Fisker- | forgot |
| 00:41.18 | break19 | plus, no bugs |
| 00:41.18 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 00:41.52 | break19 | it's drivin me nuts |
| 00:42.45 | Fisker- | atleast you're not up until 3am in the morning because you can't sleep :( |
| 00:43.07 | break19 | heh. no, don't have that problem heh |
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| 00:43.58 | NeoTron | exercise kitty is exercising http://www.geocities.com/silverbug982/kittenpushups01.gif |
| 00:44.20 | NeoTron | it's a forum avatar but I found it funny. |
| 00:44.25 | Ellipsis | awww |
| 00:46.22 | break19 | bingo. it's the ouf_Caellian layout. gah |
| 00:46.25 | Fisker- | dies of sleep deprevation |
| 00:47.01 | Ellipsis | sleeps with Fisker- |
| 00:47.15 | Fisker- | no! |
| 00:47.41 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis |
| 00:47.48 | break19 | dammit. I need a free, decent editor for windows that doesnt freak out when I open a text file saved as *nix encoding |
| 00:47.59 | Fisker- | notepad++ |
| 00:48.07 | break19 | "EDIT" works, but god it's ugly. lol |
| 00:48.10 | break19 | k |
| 00:48.48 | break19 | what gets me tho, is, edit can open the files. and they look fine, but notepad decides everything should be one 1 or 2 lines :/ |
| 00:49.15 | break19 | THEY'RE BOTH MS! *kicks MS* |
| 00:49.29 | NeoTron | break19: xemacs ftw! |
| 00:49.32 | break19 | meh |
| 00:49.39 | break19 | TextEdit.app ftw |
| 00:49.41 | NeoTron | wordpad can open them |
| 00:49.46 | break19 | just wish I could use it on my pc :/ |
| 00:49.48 | NeoTron | if you just want something that's preinstalled |
| 00:50.08 | break19 | i like notepad because it opens -fast- |
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| 00:50.50 | Ellipsis | break19: notepad only recognizes windows linebreaks, but if you use wordpad it will catch on |
| 00:51.14 | break19 | wordpad sucks as a simple text editor and wants to save everthing it opens with rtf encodings tho |
| 00:51.42 | NeoTron | jedit? |
| 00:51.49 | Ellipsis | yeah well I was just pointing out that if you're limiting yourself to default windows stuff there is at least one way to properly view (if not really save) those files :P |
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| 00:52.39 | break19 | .. dont assume I limit myself.. I just used a mac primarily for about 3 years until recently, and wsnt aware of the "good new stuff" :) |
| 00:52.50 | Arrowmaster | you can easyly open files in wordpad then save them to convert the line ending |
| 00:53.11 | break19 | since N++ is almost finished installing... :) |
| 00:54.31 | NeoTron | curious why did you change? |
| 00:54.44 | break19 | free pc |
| 00:54.49 | break19 | :) |
| 00:54.50 | NeoTron | good reason |
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| 00:55.00 | NeoTron | intel? |
| 00:55.07 | break19 | my mom bought a new dell, gave me her old athlon 2k |
| 00:55.17 | Pkekyo| | oh lawd...I -love- american simplicity |
| 00:55.23 | NeoTron | ah athlon. I run os x on mine |
| 00:55.30 | NeoTron | it's tricker than on intel |
| 00:55.32 | Pkekyo| | wish everything could be as black/white as this bullshit :p |
| 00:55.35 | break19 | .. eeeeenteresting |
| 00:56.01 | NeoTron | but I have an athlon x2 4400 |
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| 00:56.09 | break19 | i would need new hardware tho, and with a 1yr old kid, hardware isn't exactly high on the priority list. |
| 00:56.19 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 00:56.32 | break19 | <- has a cdrom drive. not a cdrw, not a dvdrom.. soo heh |
| 00:56.34 | NeoTron | I'm waiting to see if apple is coming out with a core i7 based system |
| 00:56.46 | break19 | oops, i lied |
| 00:56.51 | break19 | it -does- have a cdrw |
| 00:56.53 | Pkekyo| | <Pkekyo|>"why are everyone killing eachother?" |
| 00:56.53 | Pkekyo| | <Pkekyo|">"- I don't know... :< " |
| 00:56.53 | Pkekyo| | <Pkekyo|>"oh well... ooh! let's have a 'two for the price of one'-discount on assault rifles!" |
| 00:56.53 | Pkekyo| | <Pkekyo|>= win |
| 00:56.54 | Pkekyo| | <yank>simple, we have a lot of criminals, that's all |
| 00:56.54 | break19 | heh |
| 00:58.04 | NeoTron | btw something interesting - World of Warcraft seems to run better on my old computer than Disney's Toontown (which is significantly less complex graphics) |
| 00:58.18 | Ellipsis | ...you play toontown? |
| 00:59.04 | Pkekyo| | you need to think about stuff before you press enter NeoTron :p |
| 00:59.31 | break19 | lol |
| 00:59.35 | NeoTron | my kids do |
| 00:59.43 | Pkekyo| | nice save... |
| 00:59.46 | Ellipsis | riiiight |
| 00:59.48 | Ellipsis | we believe you |
| 00:59.49 | NeoTron | 7 yo twins |
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| 01:00.05 | break19 | i have to agree tho.. my sister's machine is a monster, and toontown bogs it, she's got 3 boys.. aged 7 to 2 |
| 01:00.13 | NeoTron | funny thing is, my daughter is the one who not only found it but also installed it, created the account and started playing |
| 01:00.35 | NivFreak | free or something? |
| 01:00.42 | NeoTron | free with paid service |
| 01:00.48 | NeoTron | i.e free is a limited experience |
| 01:00.59 | NeoTron | wow-comparision, free for the first 10-20 levels then you'd have to pay |
| 01:01.50 | NeoTron | although she once signed herself and her brother up for 1 year long Club Penguin memberships... with moms credit card |
| 01:02.03 | Wobin | precocious! |
| 01:02.03 | NeoTron | $140 I think it came out to |
| 01:02.04 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:02.16 | NeoTron | fortunately they refunded us |
| 01:02.24 | Wobin | And hey, she's sharing with her brother, that's a good sign |
| 01:02.32 | NeoTron | yes it was a nice thnig to do |
| 01:02.46 | NeoTron | she knew better of course (sneaking about) |
| 01:02.54 | Wobin | well of course she did =P |
| 01:03.00 | Wobin | that's why she did it |
| 01:03.28 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I decided to pre-order wrath at northgate |
| 01:03.32 | NivFreak | so I probably won't run into you |
| 01:03.33 | NivFreak | :) |
| 01:03.33 | NeoTron | in some ways she's more computer literate than my wife now :) bright cookie. My son is slightly less interested in <stuff>, more interested in playing the games than installing them |
| 01:03.51 | NeoTron | I haven't decided if I care enough to go on a midnight opening |
| 01:04.03 | NeoTron | any idea which stores do it? do they announce it somewhere? |
| 01:04.09 | NivFreak | gamestop |
| 01:04.17 | NivFreak | CEs went up for pre-order today |
| 01:04.24 | NivFreak | I have 3 ready for me at midnight on the 13th |
| 01:04.25 | Ellipsis | we really need to get our preorders >_> |
| 01:04.45 | NivFreak | I was the first person to get a pre-order at northgate |
| 01:04.50 | NivFreak | so most likely to not get one I bet |
| 01:04.55 | Ellipsis | most likely |
| 01:04.58 | Ellipsis | I hate gamestop |
| 01:05.10 | Arrowmaster | hmm i usually get my games from bestbuy even though i hate them, but the store near me has never been open at midnight |
| 01:05.14 | NivFreak | they gave me a verbal guarentee that I'll get one on launch day |
| 01:05.18 | NivFreak | but I don't trust them for shit |
| 01:05.34 | NivFreak | I hedge my bet a bit |
| 01:05.35 | Ellipsis | BC copies ran out at the one I went to for that...about halfway through the line of people who had preordered |
| 01:05.36 | Ellipsis | epic fail |
| 01:05.39 | NivFreak | I have 1 coming overnight from amazon |
| 01:05.50 | NeoTron | so I work at amazon |
| 01:05.51 | NivFreak | so if gamestop fails, I have a backup plan for at least my main |
| 01:05.56 | NivFreak | NeoTron: haha, which group? |
| 01:06.00 | NeoTron | but I am not sure if I trust us enough to order from us :P |
| 01:06.10 | NeoTron | payments, refund team |
| 01:06.17 | Arrowmaster | i couldnt even preorder a TBC CE at the eb games near me because they 'reached their limit' |
| 01:06.27 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I was very unhappy with my warhammer pre-order via amazon |
| 01:06.32 | NivFreak | they did great for AoC though |
| 01:06.58 | NeoTron | I don't know what the deal is except it's easier said than done |
| 01:07.26 | NivFreak | gamestop assured me that they are cutting off pre-orders when they reach thier limit |
| 01:07.32 | NivFreak | so we'll see |
| 01:07.34 | Arrowmaster | if i really want it at midnight i wonder if walmart does CE preorders, although i probably hate walmart the most |
| 01:07.42 | NivFreak | when TBC launched, they ran out of CE copies |
| 01:07.57 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: walmart is your best bet to get CEs without a pre-order |
| 01:08.00 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: says the person running his laptop and modem off his car battery? I think you're likely to do whatever it takes, addict :P |
| 01:08.02 | NivFreak | people just don't go there |
| 01:08.17 | Arrowmaster | im not a wow addict |
| 01:08.21 | Arrowmaster | just a computer addict |
| 01:08.24 | NivFreak | apparently 7-11 is going to have it too... |
| 01:08.47 | break19 | c'mon arrow.. admitting it is the first step to recovery... |
| 01:09.01 | NeoTron | 7-11? |
| 01:09.01 | Arrowmaster | and actually the laptop is running off of battery power right now |
| 01:09.04 | NeoTron | srsly? |
| 01:09.10 | Arrowmaster | dads watching TV.... |
| 01:09.13 | NivFreak | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/05/7-eleven-to-have-wrath-midnight-release/ |
| 01:09.49 | NeoTron | dude |
| 01:09.53 | NeoTron | I'll check my local 711 |
| 01:09.56 | NivFreak | there's one like a block from my house |
| 01:09.56 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 01:09.56 | NeoTron | it's just down the road |
| 01:09.58 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:10.05 | Wobin | Burning Crusade |
| 01:10.09 | Wobin | Wrath of the Lich King |
| 01:10.09 | NivFreak | I found this out after I pre-ordered |
| 01:10.14 | NeoTron | plus I can get a large coke slurpee to keep me awake |
| 01:10.36 | Wobin | Doesn't it all sound like euphanisms for gastrointestinal problems |
| 01:10.37 | NivFreak | well, with the number of 7-11s |
| 01:10.38 | Wobin | ? |
| 01:10.43 | NivFreak | I doubt there will be many people at each one |
| 01:10.44 | NeoTron | I wonder if all of them will have it |
| 01:10.46 | NivFreak | we have a billion here |
| 01:10.48 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 01:10.53 | NivFreak | I'll stop on my way home and see |
| 01:10.55 | NivFreak | speaking of |
| 01:10.58 | NivFreak | I'm out of here |
| 01:11.03 | NeoTron | and so am I |
| 01:11.51 | Ellipsis | ok you two need different nicks |
| 01:12.02 | Wobin | too much blue |
| 01:12.14 | Ellipsis | they are the exact same length in my font, with the same word shape |
| 01:12.18 | Ellipsis | and both start with N |
| 01:12.24 | Wobin | You've got a weird font |
| 01:12.26 | Ellipsis | confused Ellipsis is confused |
| 01:12.32 | Ellipsis | I have a readable font! |
| 01:12.41 | break19 | monotype fonts ftw |
| 01:12.46 | Ellipsis | and yes, it butchers ascii art, but better than butchering my eyes like a monospace font would |
| 01:12.47 | Wobin | Clearly, as demonstrated =P |
| 01:13.07 | break19 | yea, it's soooo readable... :p |
| 01:13.08 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis sideways...upside-down... on the dark side of the moon |
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| 01:22.48 | VonhintenHOME` | Anything having to do with the dark side of the moon, I approve |
| 01:23.36 | Ellipsis | but it's cold out here :( |
| 01:24.03 | mykx | wtb non broken devastation/ruin on ptr for srs |
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| 01:28.26 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: lies |
| 01:28.33 | Pkekyo| | is teh wamr |
| 01:28.51 | Wobin | Ellipsis: there's no kind of atmosphere? |
| 01:28.56 | Wobin | You're all alone, more or less? |
| 01:29.13 | Pkekyo| | well.... seems I'd be there, plonking away |
| 01:29.17 | Wobin | You want to fly, far away from here |
| 01:29.25 | Wobin | fun fun fun... in the sun, sun, sun... |
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| 01:54.26 | KriLL3 | is there a way to find older versions of ace addons? just updated one and it broke completely |
| 01:54.50 | Stanzilla | files.wowace.com/AddonName/ |
| 01:55.37 | KriLL3 | ty |
| 01:56.44 | KriLL3 | someone has been coding without proper lubrication |
| 01:59.30 | steev | ugh |
| 01:59.41 | steev | no one on our damn server can make a fucking relentless earthstorm diamond |
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| 02:01.00 | KriLL3 | heh I sold that design a couple of days ago |
| 02:01.16 | KriLL3 | no wait, wrong one |
| 02:01.38 | KriLL3 | hmm it's a consortium rep reward |
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| 02:02.34 | KriLL3 | exalted at that |
| 02:02.45 | KriLL3 | takes a grand total of 6 or so hours to get exalted with em |
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| 02:04.00 | Dashkal | 6? Insignia grinding or do you have a better way? |
| 02:06.44 | Pkekyo| | aw fucksake |
| 02:06.52 | Pkekyo| | 24 hours for one day is not nearly enough |
| 02:06.54 | Ellipsis | it's really really fast if done right |
| 02:07.06 | Ellipsis | you can farm for insignias and prison keys, both of which give you rep |
| 02:08.48 | Wobin | at least the insigia mobs respawn relatively quickly |
| 02:08.52 | Wobin | if noone else is farming them |
| 02:09.24 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: insignia grinding is the fastest way, and you get prison keys there also, you gain 500 rep for each prison |
| 02:09.24 | Ellipsis | there's actually enough of them spawning that you can usually share with 2-3 others, depending on classes |
| 02:09.38 | KriLL3 | or 250 or something like that, sorry was some time since I did it |
| 02:10.24 | Ellipsis | pretty sure it's 500 for the ID turn-in, plus there's a chance at another 250 if you get a consortium rep prisoner |
| 02:11.02 | mort | and you can buy the keys at the ah... |
| 02:13.02 | KriLL3 | mort: I'm way too die hard of a grinder to use the AH =P |
| 02:13.25 | KriLL3 | I went from friendly with the cenarion circle to exalted over an afternoon |
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| 02:14.33 | mort | and i have too much money to grind everything ;) |
| 02:15.30 | KriLL3 | I got a lot of money also, some OCD thing makes me do 23 dailies a day (all QD + various others related to them + BG of the day + 2 skettish ones) |
| 02:15.56 | KriLL3 | get near 300g per day in quests alone, not to mention all the bars and motes you get when you're a miner + engineer |
| 02:17.59 | mort | i make my money on the ah and through crafting (having an enchanter with nearly all receipes and beeing the only with the leather dps gloves receipe from sunwell helps) |
| 02:18.21 | mykx | selling epic gems ftw |
| 02:18.44 | KriLL3 | mykx: I hate you, each damn time you upgrade a piece of gear you need a full set of new damn gems for 200+ each |
| 02:19.03 | mykx | haha I just get em from guild bank :) |
| 02:20.14 | mort | i'll have to regem everything as soon as 3.0 goes live :( |
| 02:20.26 | KriLL3 | mort: why? |
| 02:21.31 | KriLL3 | if blizz goes down this course they're on atm I'll have to re-gem and re-enchant all my feral pvp gear with +int... |
| 02:21.44 | mort | because i don't get 2 ap from 1 strength anymore as enhancer |
| 02:22.25 | Wobin | Cenarion Circle? Grinding in Silithus? |
| 02:22.27 | Wobin | Terrible =P |
| 02:22.37 | Wobin | I hated Silithus |
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| 02:22.43 | KriLL3 | I hate it also now |
| 02:22.54 | KriLL3 | mort: huh? |
| 02:23.14 | KriLL3 | Wobin: just took a couple of hours though |
| 02:23.34 | KriLL3 | shorter than it took to grind skyguard rep solo without access to ogri'la etc |
| 02:24.05 | Ellipsis | skyguard doesn't even count as a rep |
| 02:24.21 | Ellipsis | it's like tranquilien... "oops, I think I just dinged exalted...huh, wonder what the rewards are?" |
| 02:24.38 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: you're kidding right? |
| 02:24.49 | mort | whole lot of mechanics have changed, it looks like i will have to gem for spell hit cap and ap/crit. i will have to run some simulations then |
| 02:24.53 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:24.54 | KriLL3 | if you don't have access to the quests beyond the 5 man stuff it takes ages |
| 02:25.02 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:25.04 | Ellipsis | KriLL3: ever heard of dailies? |
| 02:25.13 | Wobin | I've yet to do the ogri'la starter quests |
| 02:25.14 | KriLL3 | yeah but that one is once a day, and it's not that much rep |
| 02:25.30 | KriLL3 | Wobin: I can't unless I find 4 guys to do that damn fire pentragram quest with me |
| 02:25.47 | Wobin | I'd just bug my guild |
| 02:25.52 | Wobin | I like my new guild |
| 02:26.00 | Ellipsis | I dunno, I found myself accidentally getting rep ranks when all I was really after was a bit of cash from the dailies |
| 02:26.03 | Wobin | They took us on a tour of a nearly cleared BT the other day |
| 02:26.15 | Wobin | very educational |
| 02:26.20 | Ellipsis | netherwing is a REAL rep grind...half its quests are bugged D: |
| 02:26.29 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: ? worked fine for me when I did them |
| 02:26.34 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 02:26.37 | Wobin | We did, discover, however, that we really -weren't- prepared =P |
| 02:26.48 | KriLL3 | funny thing is that I'm a druid, didn't even need the damn mount, never will use it, but for some odd reason I wanted it |
| 02:26.51 | Ellipsis | the one where you pull those flying guys down onto the islands = bugged (they evade 50% of the time) |
| 02:26.52 | Wobin | 8 manning him was probably a bad idea =) |
| 02:27.17 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: worked fine for me, I stood on one of the islands they passed close to though |
| 02:27.24 | Ellipsis | the poisoning one is buggy too, a lot of camps don't respond to the food |
| 02:27.39 | Ellipsis | KriLL3: maybe you did it before they broke it or after a fix, I dunno |
| 02:27.44 | Ellipsis | it was always REALLY tough to complete for me |
| 02:27.45 | mort | you can stand on the mountains near their spawn location at the orc camp too |
| 02:28.14 | Ellipsis | what would happen is you'd cast on them, and they'd either keep flying and ignore you, or come down and evade-bug next to you |
| 02:28.32 | Ellipsis | maybe 1 out of every 3-4 you pulled would be killable |
| 02:28.34 | KriLL3 | I did it when it came out and completed it as quickly as you can more or less |
| 02:28.41 | ulic | anyone play a gnome on the beta? |
| 02:28.45 | Pkekyo| | turns Ellipsis upside-down and observes the proceedings. |
| 02:28.53 | Ellipsis | squirms |
| 02:29.10 | Ellipsis | ulic: I heard gnomes have it pretty rough |
| 02:29.18 | Ellipsis | can't melee flying mobs, etc :P |
| 02:29.22 | Pkekyo| | bwahahaha |
| 02:29.24 | Pkekyo| | that's great :D |
| 02:29.48 | Pkekyo| | I hope gnomes continuously get fucked over until Warstomp can insta-kill gnomes! |
| 02:29.48 | ulic | hehe, I'm more concerned of the appearance of black eyes on my gnome |
| 02:29.53 | KriLL3 | I love gnome's tanking stuff that's taller than a building |
| 02:29.57 | KriLL3 | *parry* |
| 02:30.00 | KriLL3 | *block* |
| 02:30.01 | ulic | looks like she got punched in both eyes |
| 02:30.13 | Wobin | like that ridiculously large shield |
| 02:30.15 | Ellipsis | you already told her twice? :P |
| 02:30.19 | Wobin | what's it called? |
| 02:30.22 | mort | gnome warrior tanking supremus <3 |
| 02:30.24 | Ellipsis | oh sorry, wrong joke |
| 02:30.25 | Keias | Yeah the gnome eyes are all messed up |
| 02:30.33 | Keias | I was gunna make a gnome DK until I saw it :( |
| 02:31.03 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: nah, quite appropriate |
| 02:31.56 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32375 |
| 02:32.10 | Wobin | that on a gnome is so amusingly ridiculous |
| 02:32.42 | KriLL3 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32375#screenshots:id=72594 |
| 02:33.06 | ulic | Keias: ok, so it's not just me, I'll have to check the forums, cuase that ain't gonna fly unless the barber shop can do makeup also to make her less scary :) |
| 02:33.32 | KriLL3 | Wobin: it looks like a manhole cover has sprouted legs |
| 02:33.43 | Ellipsis | wow, gnome faces ARE a mess o.o |
| 02:34.02 | KriLL3 | anyone got a SS of this said gnomecide? |
| 02:34.03 | ulic | anything on a gnome is pretty rediculous, I'm a rogue and even my daggers drag on the ground, but hey it keeps them sharp for me. |
| 02:34.20 | Ellipsis | male gnomes have frog eyes, and when they blink they turn red/white o.o |
| 02:34.46 | Wobin | CREEPY |
| 02:36.00 | KriLL3 | ulic: how did gnomes look with the old grand marshal sword? |
| 02:36.41 | KriLL3 | gnome warrior, titan's grip + 2x Grand Marshal's Claymore |
| 02:36.55 | ulic | KriLL3: never got one so I'm not sure, most stuff scales but still looks pretty large. |
| 02:38.07 | KriLL3 | :> |
| 02:38.48 | Wobin | ckknight: with the beta.wowace repos, what happens if you change the repository type on an existing repository? |
| 02:39.04 | KriLL3 | taurens get +stamina from their size, why doesn't gnomes get -stamina? sorry I know it would be cruel and all but... stab em and your blade will go right through to the other side |
| 02:39.05 | ckknight | the new one is created fresh, the old one is still accessible |
| 02:39.19 | Wobin | ckknight: rightio |
| 02:40.12 | kenlyric | taurens get +stamina from being a friend of the earth |
| 02:40.20 | kenlyric | they get warstomp from their size |
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| 02:40.41 | Wobin | and gnomes escape artist for theirs |
| 02:40.49 | Ellipsis | s/warstomp/all the blood elf chicks/ |
| 02:41.00 | mort | you should get +3% hit against taurens... how could you ever miss one? :P |
| 02:41.07 | Wobin | Their milkshake brings all the girls to the yard? |
| 02:41.18 | Ellipsis | damn right, it's better than yours |
| 02:41.32 | Wobin | mort: Cause they paint their hooves red and hide upside down in a field of strawberries |
| 02:42.38 | KriLL3 | I love how you can miss or targets can dodge while feared/stunned/immobilized |
| 02:42.46 | Wobin | muscle memory =) |
| 02:42.54 | KriLL3 | STUNNED? |
| 02:43.04 | Wobin | unconscious muscle memory =P |
| 02:43.13 | Wobin | or maybe subconscious |
| 02:43.37 | Ellipsis | sapped girls can't say no...but they can pull away? |
| 02:44.00 | Wobin | well, if you're not doing enough damage to pull them out of the sap... |
| 02:44.13 | Ellipsis | then your dagger is probably too small. but that's beside the point... |
| 02:44.18 | Wobin | You clearly need a tauren standin |
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| 02:47.16 | nocts|work | lol |
| 02:47.31 | Pkekyo| | wants an Eee. Someone buy me one? Plees? |
| 02:47.42 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: buy me that shirt, I tell you! |
| 02:47.55 | KriLL3 | looks really funny when my massive bear form charges a gnome, undead etc, something small and weak stopping my rapidly moving bulk, and they don't get knocked on their buts from it |
| 02:48.00 | Wobin | has an eeePC 1000D |
| 02:48.03 | Pkekyo| | bring me an Eee and I'll buy you several |
| 02:48.11 | Ellipsis | what, now I have to hand-deliver it too? |
| 02:48.18 | Pkekyo| | Wobin: well screw you, I have Invista 1000D Cordura! |
| 02:48.23 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: affirmative |
| 02:48.35 | Ellipsis | I suppose next you'll be asking me to dress up for this too |
| 02:48.43 | Ellipsis | or perhaps *un*dress! |
| 02:49.02 | Wobin | well he is providing the tshirt, no? |
| 02:49.29 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: I'm not making demands but hey, whatever floats your boat... |
| 02:50.55 | ulic | Ellipsis: so did you get hooked up with you nick on curse/wowace or do you have use some other one? |
| 02:51.34 | Ellipsis | still waiting to hear back from kaelten |
| 02:52.23 | Wobin | They should totally allow you to have "..." |
| 02:52.41 | Ellipsis | I agree |
| 02:52.42 | Pkekyo| | hmm...having a girl come over when there's several bloody knives on my desk might not be such a good idea :p |
| 02:52.49 | Ellipsis | perhaps I'll request that if Ellipsis doesn't work out |
| 02:53.04 | KriLL3 | Pkekyo|: why do you have blo... no wait I don't want to know. |
| 02:53.07 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: that depends on the type of girl, really |
| 02:53.15 | Ellipsis | I hear some of them are into that kind of thing |
| 02:53.28 | Wobin | watches Ellipsis hide her knives. |
| 02:53.30 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: true...my first gf had a vampireesque fetish... |
| 02:53.41 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: if she drives a 4by4 that actually can handle terrain and got a shovel in the trunk, run for it. |
| 02:53.41 | Pkekyo| | but no way of knowing that in advance :p |
| 02:54.12 | KriLL3 | the only people that need that kind of vehicle are murderers |
| 02:54.18 | Wobin | well you could watch her reaction to the bloody knives |
| 02:54.22 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: you say that like you didn't share said fetish? :P |
| 02:54.24 | Pkekyo| | KriLL3: I sell and buy alot of stuff...knives are handy for opening stuff...in addition to that I'm highly clumsy :p |
| 02:54.25 | Wobin | KriLL3: Or soccer mums |
| 02:54.44 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: well...everything can be handled in controlled dosages... |
| 02:54.48 | KriLL3 | Wobin: well they don't have a shovel in the trunk... |
| 02:54.53 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: o.O |
| 02:55.01 | Ellipsis | why even date someone with a fetish you didn't like :P |
| 02:55.02 | Wobin | KriLL3: well you just said vehicle |
| 02:55.08 | Pkekyo| | but when I woke up 'cause she'd bitten me and was licking the blood off my body... |
| 02:55.24 | Pkekyo| | well...it was kinda hot...but severely disturbing :P |
| 02:55.39 | Wobin | Kinda hot in a rabid dog sort of way, I guess =P |
| 02:55.39 | KriLL3 | Wobin: the cars soccer moms buy doesn't have actual terrain capabilities, just the size. |
| 02:55.39 | Ellipsis | it's all fun and games until she's tasting your blood, eh? |
| 02:56.02 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: wasn't the first time... but it was the circumbstances that made me question it :p |
| 02:56.09 | Ellipsis | we needs moar detailz. |
| 02:56.10 | KriLL3 | I hope you're vaccinated |
| 02:56.21 | Pkekyo| | I'm like a huge fucking electromagnet for unprovoced violence and crazy broads |
| 02:56.41 | Wobin | Well, as one of my female friends is often wont to offer as advice |
| 02:56.41 | Ellipsis | is *that* why I'm so attracted to you! |
| 02:56.41 | Pkekyo| | KriLL3: well, I'd gotten run over by a car and had my system full of chems from the get-go, so I guess it was fine |
| 02:56.47 | Wobin | "Don't stick your dick in the crazy" |
| 02:57.01 | Pkekyo| | Wobin: but...I wuws the crazy :< |
| 02:57.04 | Ellipsis | that's a pretty sound piece of advice, Wobin |
| 02:57.09 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: quite possibly |
| 02:57.12 | Wobin | nods at Ellipsis |
| 02:57.21 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: I'd lick your blood. nom nom nom. |
| 02:57.42 | Pkekyo| | my relationships in chronological order: |
| 02:57.42 | Pkekyo| | Satanist --> Compulsive liar --> Sadist --> Manically depressive + arsehat |
| 02:57.56 | Ellipsis | what about the rest of them? |
| 02:58.10 | Wobin | Has it ever occurred to you that it's not them.. it's you? =) |
| 02:58.45 | Pkekyo| | Wobin: well, yeah...Like I said, I attracty tits-up crazy broads :p |
| 02:58.57 | KriLL3 | I love that EU LK testers can log in on the US boards but not post, while our posts on the EU boards are just met with the same old puppet headnod |
| 02:59.13 | Ellipsis | KriLL3: didn't you say that exact same line like 3 days ago? |
| 02:59.16 | Wobin | You could offer your services on Craigslist: "Bored of your current gf? Try one of mine!" |
| 02:59.30 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: not the exact same thing, something similar |
| 03:00.02 | KriLL3 | seems there isn't a single feral pvper in the US beta, non of them complained about our 51p talent turning into a nerfed copy of adrenaline rush, a 21p talent |
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| 03:00.44 | KriLL3 | only removes and makes us immune to fear now, instead of all CC, and it vanishes on shapeshift |
| 03:01.12 | KriLL3 | yes it's now a "CC me plz" button, shapeshift out of a snare and it's gone, get stunned and you spend the duration stunned |
| 03:01.17 | Ellipsis | didn't you say *that* 3 days ago? |
| 03:01.40 | KriLL3 | bares repeating, the US boards seems to take it meekly, guess they're all PvE:ers and just care about the reduced cooldown |
| 03:02.08 | KriLL3 | wish at least one voice there would raise the cry, but nope |
| 03:02.57 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: what rest of them? |
| 03:03.10 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: is that all the relationships you've had? how old are you? |
| 03:03.43 | Pkekyo| | relationships? yes... crazy broads? no :p |
| 03:03.49 | Pkekyo| | I'm 19 |
| 03:04.26 | Pkekyo| | I'm not into that "have a new relationship every other week"-stuff |
| 03:05.19 | Ellipsis | still...4 relationships? a year or two each? |
| 03:06.39 | Pkekyo| | one short one this year, and long-terms the three years before |
| 03:06.51 | Ellipsis | eh, I guess that works |
| 03:07.17 | Pkekyo| | no, not really |
| 03:07.18 | Wraithan | break19: CrimsonEditor |
| 03:07.25 | Pkekyo| | they all ended in catastrophy :p |
| 03:07.26 | Wraithan | break19: get it from the emerald editor site |
| 03:08.11 | Yssaril | anyone know if AceComm-3.0 guarantees the same sequence of sending and receiving? |
| 03:08.24 | Pkekyo| | I have this thing where I get dumped...but noone tells me :P |
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| 03:15.25 | Wraithan | Pkekyo|: that is pretty rad. |
| 03:15.58 | Lukian | Talented updated for WotLK yet? :D |
| 03:16.01 | Pkekyo| | Wraithan: rather, it's kinda shite :) |
| 03:18.36 | Pkekyo| | hmm...there's a huge difference in how people running -from- something and how people running -to- something actually run... |
| 03:19.21 | Lukian | ahahaha |
| 03:19.29 | Lukian | I log into ptr (with my char in black temple) |
| 03:19.35 | Lukian | and the first thing I see is a breath bar |
| 03:19.49 | Lukian | and a minimap zone of "Karabor Sewers" :D |
| 03:19.54 | Pkekyo| | lolwut |
| 03:20.15 | kenlyric | drowning in shit |
| 03:24.15 | Lukian | how the hell - does the ptr client use 7.6GB space |
| 03:24.31 | ulic | it keeps all the patches be default |
| 03:24.38 | Lukian | from a 1gb install XD (I assume it copies your wow files to it's own directory rather than using them directly) |
| 03:24.47 | ulic | that also |
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| 03:26.41 | Pkekyo| | PANTS |
| 03:28.53 | nocts|work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:29.25 | ulic | take off your pants and jacket? |
| 03:29.26 | Elgren | hello guys, I was wondering about xperl unitframes |
| 03:29.46 | Elgren | I guess the black frames of xperl is made for people to add their own textures |
| 03:29.56 | Elgren | does anyone know where I can find xperl skins? |
| 03:30.21 | Pkekyo| | check x-perl.pants |
| 03:30.37 | Elgren | Pkekyo |
| 03:30.40 | Elgren | have we talked? |
| 03:30.44 | nocts|work | lol |
| 03:31.21 | Elgren | I never used xperl. was just curious to try. friend says it rox |
| 03:32.04 | nocts|work | It rox depending on what your needs are, or not. |
| 03:32.10 | nocts|work | Best overheard phrase at my job today: "No, we can't touch your equipment sir. I can't bring it up for you, that's not my speciality. Yes, let me find someone that can help you with that" |
| 03:32.35 | Pkekyo| | Elgren: not likely? |
| 03:32.46 | Elgren | I think so yes |
| 03:32.51 | nocts|work | And xperl and configuration generally isn't something normally heard. |
| 03:32.52 | Elgren | I called you japanese |
| 03:33.07 | Pkekyo| | ah, that's right |
| 03:33.12 | Pkekyo| | was that on this channel though? |
| 03:33.15 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|'s japanese sounds awfully funny |
| 03:33.16 | Elgren | no never liked xperl. I always used pitbull. |
| 03:33.25 | Elgren | Yes, was on this channel |
| 03:33.33 | Elgren | You the guy that hated vista |
| 03:33.53 | Pkekyo| | ah, now I remember |
| 03:34.00 | Elgren | :) |
| 03:34.04 | Elgren | hi m8 |
| 03:34.21 | Pkekyo| | hi |
| 03:34.36 | Elgren | I wont dig deeper |
| 03:34.39 | Elgren | xperl sux |
| 03:35.10 | Ellipsis | why not, it has plenty of other features :P |
| 03:35.33 | Elgren | pitbull has everything I need, except for you know what Ellipsis |
| 03:35.40 | Elgren | it bugs me I cant put borders on it |
| 03:36.27 | Ellipsis | but you can :P |
| 03:36.35 | Pkekyo| | you can |
| 03:36.36 | Elgren | ya |
| 03:36.38 | Lukian | can you tick health per second? |
| 03:36.43 | Pkekyo| | even I managed to do that once upon a time |
| 03:36.44 | Elgren | it just takes scripting |
| 03:37.04 | Elgren | because simply parenting kgpanels to pitbull frames doesnt work |
| 03:37.12 | Ellipsis | so don't use a kgpanel |
| 03:37.16 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 03:37.21 | Ellipsis | if all you want is a border texture you can set that in the pitbull options |
| 03:37.21 | Elgren | and thats pretty much how deep we mortals go |
| 03:37.48 | Elgren | problem is |
| 03:38.00 | Elgren | I want to border raidgroups |
| 03:38.37 | Elgren | but im very happy with how it is now |
| 03:38.37 | Ellipsis | then make a kgpanel where your raid groups go that shows/hides when you join/leave a raid :) |
| 03:38.46 | Elgren | I was just in curious/exploration mode :D |
| 03:38.59 | Elgren | so I was looking at xperl, but never intended to change my UF |
| 03:39.00 | nocts|work | licks Elgren inappropriately |
| 03:39.04 | Ellipsis | if you want advanced options for appearance, x-perl is not what you're looking for :P |
| 03:39.08 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 03:39.23 | Elgren | :) |
| 03:39.29 | Elgren | I never tryed it |
| 03:39.32 | Elgren | I couldnt know that |
| 03:39.41 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis very appropriately. Gotta gove nocts|work a run for his money... |
| 03:39.41 | nocts|work | That is why we are telling you |
| 03:40.10 | nocts|work | ass-rapes Pkekyo| with his wet cock, allowing it to throb against the virgin asshole. |
| 03:40.40 | Pkekyo| | deflects nocts|work's cock due to copious amounts of safety duct tape. |
| 03:40.48 | nocts|work | Hey, no HL2 mods. |
| 03:40.51 | Pkekyo| | runs away. |
| 03:41.04 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: this is real life specifications :p |
| 03:41.09 | Ellipsis | ...I have no idea what's going on here anymore so I'm going to pretend I don't know you two |
| 03:41.11 | nocts|work | Hey, no ass mods. |
| 03:41.23 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: yes ass mods! |
| 03:41.30 | nocts|work | NO ASS MOD FOR YOU |
| 03:41.32 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: you know you love it |
| 03:41.44 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: too late, did it a long time ago...protectin mah virginetaah! |
| 03:41.50 | nocts|work | She does. She'll be telling me about it all night in the torture chamber. |
| 03:42.10 | nocts|work | Pkekyo|: What has be done must be undone, for the sake of the children. |
| 03:42.42 | nocts|work | All the above indicated, rather conclusively I might add, how you will not get the border effect you are looking for perfectly accomplished on x-perl. |
| 03:42.45 | nocts|work | Thank you for your time. |
| 03:43.34 | Pkekyo| | bwahahah |
| 03:43.58 | Pkekyo| | might be the fact that I haven't slept for....far too long...but for some obscure reason I'm laughing my arse off |
| 03:44.03 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: make me tacos plees? |
| 03:44.55 | Ellipsis | you and the tacos |
| 03:45.05 | Ellipsis | have you ever tried other types of food? |
| 03:45.08 | Pkekyo| | yes |
| 03:45.14 | Ellipsis | you know, maybe branch out to the occasional enchilada or burrito? |
| 03:45.22 | Pkekyo| | never had either actually |
| 03:45.34 | Pkekyo| | burrito sound slike a weird dress |
| 03:45.38 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 03:45.48 | Ellipsis | it's for nomnoms, not for wearing |
| 03:46.04 | Wobin | chimichanga? |
| 03:46.29 | Pkekyo| | wawawiiwaaa |
| 03:50.42 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: make me a burrito then? I'm hungry :< |
| 03:51.01 | Wraithan | I just got back from having sushi, man I love sushi |
| 03:51.22 | Pkekyo| | I hate sushi |
| 03:51.33 | Pkekyo| | ate it once...never EVER again |
| 03:51.48 | Wraithan | I am sorry your tastes in foods suck. |
| 03:52.44 | Wraithan | Did you have really cheap safeway (local grocery store) sushi or did you go to a sushi bar? |
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| 03:53.33 | Pkekyo| | eh...some moderately respecable place in london where I used to buy lunch when I was over there |
| 03:54.12 | Pkekyo| | my mates ate it up to two times |
| 03:54.21 | Pkekyo| | I didn't have the stomach for it |
| 03:54.29 | Pkekyo| | the wasabi stuff was kinda wicked though |
| 03:54.50 | Pkekyo| | wanna go to asia and eat proper wasabi |
| 03:54.53 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: I'm so jealous, got any leftovers? |
| 03:55.00 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: um, leftovers? |
| 03:55.08 | Ellipsis | sushi! |
| 03:55.10 | Ellipsis | I want :( |
| 03:55.11 | Wraithan | I am sorry not familiar with those |
| 03:55.28 | Pkekyo| | no such thing as leftovers...unless they're for yourself |
| 03:55.29 | Ellipsis | it's when the food looks so good you order more than 4 people could eat |
| 03:55.36 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: Oh I do that. |
| 03:55.42 | Ellipsis | and then you bring the rest home in a box and hide it under your bed to eat later |
| 03:55.43 | Pkekyo| | I do that too |
| 03:55.45 | Pkekyo| | then I eat it all |
| 03:55.48 | Wraithan | exactly |
| 03:56.11 | Wraithan | Sometimes I will order some to go when I am leaving as a snack |
| 03:56.41 | Pkekyo| | I kinda hate eating |
| 03:56.45 | Pkekyo| | such a waste of time... |
| 03:56.52 | Ellipsis | but it tastes so good! |
| 03:56.54 | Pkekyo| | ...but when the food's good, I could eat a metric ton |
| 03:57.25 | Pkekyo| | hmmm...6am |
| 03:57.33 | Ellipsis | if the food is meh I'll go days without eating...but if something good comes along I will eat as much as I can as often as I can until it's gone :P |
| 03:57.38 | Pkekyo| | think I should go to bed so I can be up by 4pm |
| 03:57.51 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: you've got the right idea of how to do it :> |
| 03:58.12 | Pkekyo| | If there's good food present, you are going to see me in pain...simple as :p |
| 03:59.02 | Ellipsis | the only problem with that is when I'm living with someone who likes to spoil me by buying food I really like...I tend to eat constantly :P |
| 03:59.12 | Pkekyo| | ...I don't see the problem? |
| 03:59.14 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: I have an awesome sushi place a block and a half away |
| 03:59.31 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: well it is theoretically possible to gain enough weight to be unable to feed yourself, see... |
| 03:59.54 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: but then you won't be able to eat, you'll lose all the weight again; back to square one :D |
| 03:59.55 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: got a spare room? couch? front porch? |
| 04:00.04 | Wraithan | lol |
| 04:00.10 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: but that requires me not to eat when said good food is available |
| 04:00.11 | Wraithan | appartment next to me just opened up |
| 04:00.13 | Pkekyo| | I have a spare Somalia if you want it Ellipsis |
| 04:00.14 | Ellipsis | which must be avoided at all costs |
| 04:00.19 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: I'm there. |
| 04:00.23 | Pkekyo| | true, Ellipsis |
| 04:00.33 | Wraithan | bitch called the cops on me the last night she lived there |
| 04:00.39 | Pkekyo| | :D |
| 04:00.45 | Ellipsis | wait a minute |
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| 04:00.52 | Pkekyo| | did you dropkick her down the stairwell? :D |
| 04:00.55 | Ellipsis | I just whoised you...you're from oregon and you're hanging out in #archlinux |
| 04:00.58 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: will you marry me? |
| 04:01.11 | Pkekyo| | hahah |
| 04:01.13 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: uh, no. |
| 04:01.19 | Ellipsis | :( |
| 04:01.24 | Ellipsis | e-marry? |
| 04:01.26 | Pkekyo| | pats Ellipsis |
| 04:01.27 | Kemayo_ | Industrial: Pong? |
| 04:01.29 | Ellipsis | make babies with? |
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| 04:01.36 | Wraithan | I am gaming on archlinux thoug |
| 04:01.43 | Wraithan | got wow all setup, runs great |
| 04:02.04 | Pkekyo| | if Wraithan isn't willing, I can help you make vikings, Ellipsis... vikings > babies |
| 04:02.04 | Pkekyo| | they come with horned helmets allready installed |
| 04:02.19 | Ellipsis | those are rather expensive to have made in baby sizes... |
| 04:02.33 | Pkekyo| | yeah, so it's a great deal seeing as you get them for free |
| 04:02.39 | Ellipsis | that's a pretty strong argument there |
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| 04:02.45 | Pkekyo| | agreed |
| 04:02.45 | Ellipsis | I might have to take you up on that offer |
| 04:02.52 | Pkekyo| | I even have spare parts |
| 04:03.19 | Pkekyo| | bah, my bed is flowing over with shells >.< |
| 04:03.47 | Pkekyo| | not quite sure wether or not I can be arsed to clean it up or if I'll just sleep on the floor |
| 04:04.04 | Wraithan | I have a king size be, hard to fill it |
| 04:04.12 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: tell you what, I'll make a deal...I will live next door to you and stalk yo-- I mean get sushi with you, and Pkekyo| and I will make the babies until you're ready to marry me. k? |
| 04:04.15 | Pkekyo| | Wraithan: as do I...filled with shells |
| 04:04.23 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: vikings! |
| 04:04.27 | Pkekyo| | get it right damnit |
| 04:04.34 | Ellipsis | babies, vikings, same thing |
| 04:04.37 | Pkekyo| | NO |
| 04:04.38 | Wraithan | You do know I am a dude right? |
| 04:04.39 | Pkekyo| | heresy! |
| 04:04.53 | Pkekyo| | Wraithan: you know Ellipsis is not, right? |
| 04:04.58 | Wraithan | orly? |
| 04:05.05 | Ellipsis | ...yeah |
| 04:05.09 | Ellipsis | I have boobs and everything |
| 04:05.13 | Wraithan | er, yeah you can come live with me :D |
| 04:05.16 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 04:05.27 | Pkekyo| | I told you yesterday to use them bewbs properly Ellipsis, but you just wouldn't listen |
| 04:05.32 | Ellipsis | haha |
| 04:05.43 | Ellipsis | apparently if I use them right I can score sushi |
| 04:05.45 | Ellipsis | sweet! |
| 04:05.46 | Pkekyo| | you could've sorted this out in half a minute if you did |
| 04:06.08 | Wraithan | I thought you were an oddball dude insisting on marrying me |
| 04:06.13 | Pkekyo| | I still think the viking concept is a good idea though... |
| 04:06.16 | Ellipsis | that would be kind of creepy |
| 04:06.17 | Pkekyo| | Wraithan: no...that'd be me! |
| 04:06.18 | Wraithan | little less creepy if you are a chick |
| 04:06.26 | Wraithan | Pkekyo|: back away. |
| 04:06.30 | Wraithan | ~lart Pkekyo| |
| 04:06.30 | purl | pours gasoline all over Pkekyo|, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 04:06.37 | Pkekyo| | cries |
| 04:06.38 | Pkekyo| | :( |
| 04:07.35 | Pkekyo| | sod it, can't be arsed to clear out the bed...I'm sleeping on the floor! |
| 04:07.36 | Wraithan | oh you are just up north a bit, aren't ya Ellipsis |
| 04:07.38 | Pkekyo| | g'nite peoples |
| 04:07.41 | Ellipsis | indeed Wraithan |
| 04:07.45 | Wraithan | g'night Pkekyo| |
| 04:07.54 | Ellipsis | night Pkekyo|, dream of our viking-babies |
| 04:07.55 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: I am in Portland, where abouts are ya? |
| 04:08.03 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: seattle area |
| 04:08.14 | break19 | the only good baby.. is -MY- baby. |
| 04:08.29 | Wraithan | would ya believe that I have lived in orgeon all my life and have never been to seattle? |
| 04:08.39 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 04:08.48 | Ellipsis | suppose you've never been to canada then either |
| 04:08.50 | Wraithan | farthest north I have gottne is lake Merwin |
| 04:08.51 | break19 | would ya believe I've never lived in oregon, and I've been to seattle too many damn times? |
| 04:08.57 | Ellipsis | you're missing out on the bestest sushi evar |
| 04:09.07 | Wraithan | eh, not so sure about that |
| 04:09.07 | Ellipsis | break19: all part of a day's work, right? :P |
| 04:09.13 | break19 | used to be, thank god. |
| 04:09.36 | Wraithan | break19: btw, in regards to your editor woes, for windows I would use crimson editor |
| 04:09.40 | break19 | no more truckin for me. |
| 04:09.56 | Wraithan | break19: it even has a executable you can replace notepad with |
| 04:10.01 | break19 | i just dl'd notepad++ and it does what I want. |
| 04:10.10 | Wraithan | super fast and lightweight |
| 04:10.56 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: tbh, the only way you could possibly win my heart any more than you already have is to tell me you have some kind of sexy accent |
| 04:11.06 | break19 | this notepad++ is exactly what I wanted tho.. it's basically smultron for windows :) |
| 04:11.07 | Ellipsis | well, that or pics I suppose :P |
| 04:11.18 | break19 | <3 smultron :) |
| 04:11.20 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: heh, sorry whitebread here |
| 04:11.45 | break19 | <- has a slight southern drawl. does that count? |
| 04:11.59 | Ellipsis | that's like -7 points, break19...sorry |
| 04:12.03 | Wraithan | lol |
| 04:12.19 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: alas though, another has already won my heart |
| 04:12.28 | break19 | meh, you've probably only heard hollyweird's version of drawl, and thats just.. idiotic, not even CLOSE to the real thing. |
| 04:12.32 | Ellipsis | that's unfortunate, I didn't really want to have to murder anyone :( |
| 04:12.41 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: haha |
| 04:12.56 | Ellipsis | break19: I lived in north carolina for a bit...the accents there were enough to send me back to the smart coast :P |
| 04:13.02 | Wraithan | http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/488/chrisandkoibo3.jpg |
| 04:13.06 | break19 | NC = idiotic |
| 04:13.27 | Wraithan | That is me with my girlfriend's daughter |
| 04:14.22 | Wraithan | see, pics make things worse |
| 04:14.45 | break19 | mine is very slight.. i cut the g's off the end of words ending in 'ing' for the most part. but I dont sound like an effin hick. |
| 04:15.00 | Ellipsis | pics make things worse? o.O |
| 04:15.02 | break19 | my sister-in-law does.... heh |
| 04:15.19 | break19 | and my wife's family is from PA@! |
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| 04:15.52 | Wraithan | plus I keep odd hours |
| 04:16.45 | break19 | odd hours? so.. you only work for an hour at a time every other hour? |
| 04:17.10 | Ellipsis | I don't think it's possible to live in a way that would fit my definition of "odd hours" :P |
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| 04:19.21 | break19 | if I had a job where I didn't have morons around me.. it'd be the perfect job. No matter where I've worked, I've either worked for idiot bosses, or had to deal with idiot customers. |
| 04:19.30 | break19 | and at my CURRENT job, I get to do both :/ |
| 04:19.45 | Ellipsis | lucky you :P |
| 04:19.52 | Ellipsis | (this is why work is evil) |
| 04:20.07 | Wraithan | I am currenly sleeping like 2-4 hours every 12 |
| 04:20.28 | Wraithan | can't seem to sleep much more than that straight |
| 04:20.46 | break19 | "why doesnt my cablemodem work when I move it to another outlet?" Uhm, lessee.. why doesnt your car run when you put oil into the tank instead of gas? |
| 04:21.55 | break19 | I had one today: trouble-call scheduled, her digital telephone wasnt working.. I get there, she had the cable in a big loop, from the out port of her surge protector, back into the in port of her surge protector... |
| 04:22.19 | break19 | then bitches at me when I explain it's a billable call because she's a fucking moron. |
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| 04:24.48 | Wobin | break19: well |
| 04:24.54 | Wobin | break19: You could work for yourself =) |
| 04:25.21 | Wraithan | Would still be working for an idiot, and customers are always idiots |
| 04:25.27 | Wraithan | j/k break19 |
| 04:25.34 | break19 | wobin: I'm afraid he's right |
| 04:25.40 | Wobin | yeah, but you could punch the idiot in the head |
| 04:25.46 | break19 | you just managed to beat me to it, I was typing it. heh |
| 04:25.47 | Wraithan | hah! |
| 04:25.50 | Wobin | cathartic y'know =) |
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| 04:27.08 | break19 | besides.. it takes money to start a successful business, and well.. "ah aint got none" |
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| 04:36.27 | break19 | well. think im gunna go to bed, before the wife says I've lost bed privileges for waiting too long.. |
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| 04:59.39 | steev | woo, pally hit revered with violet eye |
| 04:59.42 | Wraithan | damnit, I should have gotten the sushi to go... =( |
| 04:59.51 | Wraithan | I want more now =( |
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| 04:59.59 | Ellipsis | and you should have sent some up here too |
| 05:00.08 | Ellipsis | bad Wraithan, bad! |
| 05:00.18 | Wraithan | Ellipsis: I will keep that in mind next time |
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| 05:00.38 | Ellipsis | I wonder...do they deliver? across state lines? |
| 05:00.46 | thul | hmm |
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| 05:01.17 | Wraithan | Um, they don't deliver 1.5 blocks, I doubt they deliver 3 hours away |
| 05:01.27 | Ellipsis | boo :( |
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| 06:00.08 | Wraithan | g'night folks |
| 06:03.27 | Ellipsis | night Wraithan :) |
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| 06:54.45 | NivFreak | NeoTron: my local 7-Eleven worker said he saw the commercials, but knew nothing about selling gaems |
| 06:54.48 | NivFreak | games too |
| 06:55.32 | Groktar | what's is 7 eleven selling? |
| 06:55.43 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: you need a fixed width font |
| 06:55.47 | Groktar | only goes there about once every 5 years |
| 06:56.06 | NivFreak | Groktar: apparently pre-orders of the xpac |
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| 07:24.45 | Ellipsis | NivFreak: I happen to like my font, thank you very much! |
| 07:25.59 | [SW]Dodge | can someone tell me in which category the key collect achievment was? cant find it anymore :( |
| 07:26.58 | nevcairiel | general? :p |
| 07:27.46 | [SW]Dodge | ah lol, i checked general multople times :S dunno why i didnt saw it ._. |
| 07:27.50 | [SW]Dodge | thanks^^ |
| 07:32.45 | Ellipsis | anyone here know anything about LibGuild-1.0, or where its documentation would be? |
| 07:33.33 | Gnarfoz | Kemayo_ is who you want to bother, I guess |
| 07:34.00 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: is it 3/2/1am or something at your place, btw? |
| 07:34.08 | orionshock | Ellipsis: one would thing that libs like that would require relatively little documentation and the code be fairly straight forward.. |
| 07:34.19 | Ellipsis | 12:34am |
| 07:34.27 | Ellipsis | orionshock: not always the case |
| 07:34.39 | orionshock | true |
| 07:34.49 | Ellipsis | while the code is quite straightforward, it has very little in the way of comments about what it's *supposed* to do |
| 07:34.56 | Ellipsis | so when it does something unexpected, I don't know whether that's intended or not |
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| 07:35.50 | Ellipsis | I'm trying to find out whether it's supposed to be able to return nil when requesting information about players |
| 07:36.37 | Ellipsis | I'd also rather like to know why it has a bunch of table recycling code at the top which is never used |
| 07:40.39 | Gnarfoz | ? it is used |
| 07:40.50 | Gnarfoz | oh ok |
| 07:40.51 | Gnarfoz | no it's not :D |
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| 07:41.21 | Gnarfoz | at least not until someon calls :GetIterator(...) |
| 07:41.43 | orionshock | hum... i guess ur gona have to bother Kemayo_ about that... |
| 07:41.56 | Ellipsis | I guess I am |
| 07:42.34 | Ellipsis | that or just add a hack for this condition to silently drop it instead of continuing on like nothing happened until eventually an error is thrown |
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| 07:46.45 | Kemayo_ | Ellipsis: I probably started out with tables needing recycling, and forgot to remove it once I improved things. |
| 07:47.19 | Ellipsis | Kemayo: the more important question to me at the moment: should things like :GetLevel("validguildie") be able to return nil at any time? |
| 07:49.23 | Kemayo | Let's see... they'd return nil if the guildie you requested didn't exist, or if you managed to call it before the first GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE. |
| 07:50.03 | Kemayo | Though since it calls GuildRoster at the end of the library, I think that would at least require some very exacting timing. |
| 07:50.04 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 07:50.19 | Ellipsis | so either a very unlikely race condition, or the name being passed in is wrong |
| 07:50.47 | Kemayo | Looking back on it, I think that the library should really be coercing all names to upper/lower-case. |
| 07:50.58 | Kemayo | It isn't currently, and that's a poor choice. |
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| 07:54.22 | Adirelle|work | morning |
| 07:59.20 | Ellipsis | Kemayo: what if the person *just* joined the guild and the GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE for that hadn't fired? maybe a wider gap for a race condition? (I have no idea how often/quickly that event fires...) |
| 08:00.48 | Kemayo | Ellipsis: That's also possible, I think. I can't remember precisely what triggers GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE. At a minimum, the scan of guild members happens every 15 seconds, though. |
| 08:01.23 | Kalroth | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE is online/offline/kicked/joined and uhhhm, transfered |
| 08:01.27 | Kalroth | I believe :p |
| 08:01.52 | Kalroth | It's not always instant though |
| 08:02.22 | Ellipsis | yeah, according to wowwiki it should be fired on joins |
| 08:02.32 | Ellipsis | but if there's enough of a delay before it is, maybe that's where this nil is coming from... |
| 08:02.56 | Kalroth | and I think online/offline is wrong, that's some other delay |
| 08:03.33 | Kemayo | I can't say that I remember precisely why it's forcing a scan every 15 seconds, if GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE reliably fires after changes. |
| 08:03.36 | Kemayo | It |
| 08:03.41 | Kalroth | Tekkub made a nil-safe roster update |
| 08:03.45 | Kemayo | 's certainly possible that I made some poor design decisions. |
| 08:04.28 | Industrial | Kemayo: BetterQuest doesn't have any wiki page/forum thread |
| 08:04.30 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: because thats the only way to get the info to update |
| 08:04.53 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: and it seems i forgot to make a tweak to LibGuild-1.0 that i was going to do a while back |
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| 08:05.26 | Arrowmaster | really the 15 sec timer should be reset on GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE too |
| 08:05.27 | Ellipsis | ah, Arrowmaster, perhaps you might find this bug interesting - it's a Cartographer_GuildPositions error |
| 08:05.48 | Arrowmaster | what is it? |
| 08:05.56 | Ellipsis | http://jira.wowace.com/browse/CART-761 |
| 08:06.16 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: That would be a good change, I agree. Go right ahead. :D |
| 08:06.17 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 08:06.20 | Ellipsis | to spare you the .doc reading, the stack trace is basically showing that cartographer is making a POI for someone for whom LibGuild-1.0 returns no level |
| 08:06.27 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: I cant right now..... |
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| 08:06.52 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: I shall drop it onto my todo pile for when I have a WoW subscription and can test it, then. |
| 08:07.31 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: bah doesnt need tested, i think i did it locally and it worked fine, also did it locally with rolecall |
| 08:07.49 | Kemayo | Industrial: Yeah, I never really "released" BetterQuest. More like sneakily put it onto trunk and started ignoring QuestsFu. |
| 08:07.51 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: is level the first info it looks up? |
| 08:08.03 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: no, but none of the others are used in ways that would throw errors before that point |
| 08:08.10 | Ellipsis | all we really know is that the name passed in is non-nil |
| 08:08.22 | Ellipsis | (it's used in string concatenation with no issue just before the LibGuild calls) |
| 08:08.50 | Ellipsis | most likely, whatever name is being passed to LibGuild is not in its cache |
| 08:08.54 | Arrowmaster | what line? dont have any of this locally |
| 08:08.58 | Ellipsis | meaning either it's a race condition or we're screwing up the line |
| 08:09.43 | Arrowmaster | oh found it, yeah the first thing it looks up is level |
| 08:09.45 | Ellipsis | it's in the function in GuildPositions.lua starting at line 181 |
| 08:10.02 | Ellipsis | it looks up class and class color first; but those won't throw errors |
| 08:10.05 | Ellipsis | they could easily be nils |
| 08:10.12 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 08:10.21 | Ellipsis | 185-186? |
| 08:10.30 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue firefox doesnt have line numbers |
| 08:10.38 | Ellipsis | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/Cartographer/Cartographer_GuildPositions/GuildPositions.lua?r=79583 |
| 08:11.15 | Arrowmaster | afk 10 minutes while fish loads |
| 08:11.20 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 08:11.47 | Ellipsis | anyway, the level returned is nil, which gets passed to crayon and goes through a bunch of fun stuff before it's actually used, eventually throwing an error |
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| 08:13.01 | theoddone33 | I think this could maybe be a more effective beta if the servers were up more |
| 08:13.38 | Arrowmaster | i think the name could still be nil |
| 08:13.47 | Ellipsis | line 183 passes with no error |
| 08:14.12 | Arrowmaster | lua> ": " .. nil |
| 08:14.12 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 08:15.17 | [SW]Dodge | lua> ": " .. tostring(nil) |
| 08:15.17 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 08:15.18 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: : nil |
| 08:15.27 | Ellipsis | so we're passing in a name, but it's not one LibGuild knows about - either a race condition on someone who just joined, or a more serious error in the GuildPositions module |
| 08:17.48 | Arrowmaster | what local was the person that reported this? |
| 08:18.02 | Ellipsis | the jira ticket says enUS, but that's the default |
| 08:18.15 | Ellipsis | his name and grammar indicate french, maybe? |
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| 08:19.00 | Ellipsis | unfortunately swatter hasn't evolved to show us a locale string...hrm, that'd be kinda nice actually |
| 08:21.08 | Arrowmaster | line numbers do not match up in GuildPositions.lua, i say ignore it unless somebody else reports it |
| 08:21.24 | Ellipsis | what doesn't match up? |
| 08:21.43 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.48 | Ellipsis | it all looked fine to me, and the swatter report says he's using the latest revision |
| 08:22.12 | Arrowmaster | maybe i just cant read this damn thing in a word doc |
| 08:22.18 | Ellipsis | I think that might be it, heh |
| 08:22.27 | Ellipsis | line 196 is inside OnTabletRequest |
| 08:22.31 | Ellipsis | it's where crayon gets called |
| 08:22.41 | Arrowmaster | not my laptop and word has a bunch of stuff enabled like paragraph markers |
| 08:24.54 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 08:25.05 | theoddone33 | wotlk made me re-learn gouge and kick |
| 08:27.50 | cladhaire | cause of the energy change? |
| 08:27.58 | theoddone33 | possibly |
| 08:28.06 | theoddone33 | I think it's because I had talents in improved for both of them |
| 08:28.10 | theoddone33 | at least that's what I thought |
| 08:28.19 | Arrowmaster | because of the only one rank now change |
| 08:29.24 | theoddone33 | I was real confused when I clicked on my mount and it said "you already know that" but I caught on |
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| 08:32.17 | theoddone33 | assassination talent changes are pretty amazing |
| 08:32.20 | theoddone33 | I'd never even looked before |
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| 08:47.36 | Groktar | ya, i lost hamstring, intercept, shield bash, pummel, mocking blow |
| 08:47.46 | Groktar | and a few other things on my war |
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| 09:00.44 | Anadale_ | Hello everyone |
| 09:01.15 | Anadale_ | ping ckknight |
| 09:04.24 | Anadale_ | ping Zeksie |
| 09:05.25 | Maldivia | apparently, noone wants to pong you :) |
| 09:05.39 | Anadale_ | I'm looser :-( /cry |
| 09:06.25 | [SW]Dodge | no your not! /pat |
| 09:07.07 | Anadale_ | :-) |
| 09:07.16 | Ellipsis | I'd pong you, but I don't know where you've been |
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| 09:08.59 | Fisker- | slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:13.38 | Ellipsis | why so Fisker-? |
| 09:17.08 | Fisker- | i r tired |
| 09:20.27 | vhaarr | if I want to keybind spells and macros without having them visible on the action bar what do I need, just LibKeyBoundExtra-1.0? doesn't seem right since it's a library, surely it doesn't provide any functionality on its own like that? |
| 09:22.07 | nevcairiel | toadkiller named it like shit |
| 09:22.19 | vhaarr | so it's actually an addon? |
| 09:22.31 | nevcairiel | yeah, it doesnt have the "Lib" name anyway |
| 09:22.46 | vhaarr | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibKeyBoundExtra-1.0/ |
| 09:22.51 | nevcairiel | http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/KeyBoundExtra-1.0/ |
| 09:22.52 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 09:22.57 | vhaarr | aha, well both exist |
| 09:23.08 | Ellipsis | you need both |
| 09:23.22 | Ellipsis | but KeyBoundExtra is simply a toc to load the lua in LibKeyBoundExtra |
| 09:23.32 | Ellipsis | it's an...interesting design choice? |
| 09:23.33 | nevcairiel | toadkiller fails at design |
| 09:23.41 | vhaarr | he is made of fail |
| 09:23.53 | Ellipsis | that would be a harsher way to put it, yes :P |
| 09:30.03 | vhaarr | what the hell, KeyBoundExtra-1.0 is LoD |
| 09:30.11 | orionshock | ok. is beta.wowace.com functional yet? |
| 09:30.22 | orionshock | or am i imagining things? |
| 09:30.49 | Kalroth | Posted by Kaelten on 09/15/2008 21:26:06 |
| 09:30.49 | Kalroth | Hi guys! We've begun a short public beta phase for the new WowAce. All users can log in now, not just a select few alpha testers that we had previously |
| 09:32.10 | Adirelle|work | orionshock: I did some testing yesterday, the repos for existing ace projects has been put in place yet |
| 09:32.14 | orionshock | ok does that mean the repos are functional? |
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| 09:33.01 | Adirelle|work | moreover Kaelten and ckknight said the "plan" is to wipe all the repos and to release it friday |
| 09:33.11 | orionshock | ok.. |
| 09:33.34 | orionshock | Adirelle btw, re-read over your statement again... it kinda doesn't make sense |
| 09:33.35 | [SW]Dodge | what will happen to the stuff on svn? |
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| 09:33.37 | Adirelle|work | I meant to wipe the testing repos and to import the fresh ones for release friday |
| 09:33.44 | jumpmasterflash | hi all |
| 09:34.02 | jumpmasterflash | what tool, preferably linux-based, can i use to parse wdb files? |
| 09:34.14 | jumpmasterflash | i want a text dump of it for some perl magic |
| 09:34.34 | jumpmasterflash | namely, i want to compare auctioneer prices for horde/allies |
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| 09:39.20 | Adirelle|work | orionshock: is it more meaningfull or should I elaborate more ? |
| 09:41.36 | Adirelle|work | jumpmasterflash: for auctioneer, I think you're going to parse .lua files that are stored in the WTF folder instead of the wdb files |
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| 09:56.49 | jumpmasterflash | Adirelle|work, ok. atm, i m grepping the whole WoW dir which takes a bit of time ^^ |
| 09:58.36 | Fisker- | i'm grepping your ass >:3 |
| 10:00.39 | jumpmasterflash | which you will do for quite some time. until you grow up, actually. but then, i don't mind that in the least :) |
| 10:00.48 | jumpmasterflash | pets Fisker- |
| 10:02.40 | orionshock | jumpmasterflash: i believe ctl+z interrupts any current process at a terminal window. |
| 10:05.04 | Ellipsis | facepalms |
| 10:05.06 | jumpmasterflash | orionshock, it's ctrl-c, but i don't mind the grep |
| 10:05.23 | jumpmasterflash | static.lua has matches, as well |
| 10:05.37 | jumpmasterflash | but i suspect that file is useless, to me ;) |
| 10:06.04 | SunTsu | jumpmasterflash: CTRL-C and CTRL-Z are different signals |
| 10:06.33 | SunTsu | jumpmasterflash: CTRL-Z sends SIGSTOP, so you can resume the process in foreground or background with fg or bg |
| 10:07.42 | jumpmasterflash | ah, that is a questhelper lua file, i should learn to read the path :p |
| 10:07.53 | SunTsu | jumpmasterflash: CTRL-C is SIGINT |
| 10:08.06 | jumpmasterflash | SunTsu, aye, but he said interrupt, not sleep |
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| 10:09.01 | Ellipsis | clearly just a case of orionshock not knowing what the heck he's talking about, as usual |
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| 10:09.46 | SunTsu | jumpmasterflash: SIGSTOP interrupts, too ;) Just in a different way - he thought you were complaining that the process is blocking your shell |
| 10:10.48 | jumpmasterflash | SunTsu, hmm, prolly true |
| 10:10.52 | Arrowmaster | jumpmasterflash: WDB files are in quite a simple binary format |
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| 10:12.01 | jumpmasterflash | Arrowmaster, good to hear that. i did not yet look into the file |
| 10:12.09 | jumpmasterflash | ideally, there was a cpan module :) |
| 10:12.15 | jumpmasterflash | would be* |
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| 10:14.01 | Arrowmaster | doubt it |
| 10:14.08 | jumpmasterflash | me too |
| 10:14.36 | jumpmasterflash | WTF/Account/JH9980/SavedVariables/Auc-ScanData.lua |
| 10:14.38 | jumpmasterflash | gotcha |
| 10:17.30 | jumpmasterflash | while i am here, is there a plugin that will translate allie/horde? |
| 10:18.15 | Arrowmaster | i once used http://capnbry.net/wow/downloads/DumpItemCache.zip and modified it to dump item values from the WDB files for a different sell value mod, i had to update it to parse the WDB files correctly but from what i remember it was just adjusting some offsets because some extra nul characters were added to the format between items |
| 10:18.19 | jumpmasterflash | iirc, the mangling is determisitic & two-way |
| 10:18.37 | Arrowmaster | jumpmasterflash: no and nobody will attempt to make one since its banable |
| 10:18.47 | jumpmasterflash | so is auctioneer |
| 10:18.52 | Ellipsis | um, no |
| 10:18.56 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
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| 10:19.19 | jumpmasterflash | yes, there is a blurb about not being allowed to automatically collect statistics about prices |
| 10:19.26 | jumpmasterflash | i read the terms last week |
| 10:19.27 | Ellipsis | source? |
| 10:19.46 | jumpmasterflash | blizzard's add-on t&c |
| 10:19.52 | Ellipsis | which section of it? |
| 10:20.04 | Arrowmaster | there is no addon terms and conditions |
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| 10:20.29 | jumpmasterflash | Ellipsis, the one that tells you what you are not allowed to do |
| 10:20.37 | jumpmasterflash | seriously though, i don't remember |
| 10:20.50 | jumpmasterflash | Arrowmaster, perhaps the EULA speaks about add-ons, then |
| 10:21.04 | Arrowmaster | theres a general anti datamining clause but its not talking specificly about addons |
| 10:21.07 | jumpmasterflash | but translating allie/horde and acutioneer were mentioned specifically |
| 10:21.24 | Ellipsis | auctioneer itself would never be mentioned in any blizz document |
| 10:21.33 | jumpmasterflash | well, the price thing |
| 10:22.01 | Ellipsis | alliance/horde translation is covered in 5B of the terms of use (#10, "communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction") |
| 10:22.17 | Ellipsis | I see no reference to prices or any other data collection |
| 10:22.56 | Ellipsis | there's a section about not using bots to automatically collect information from the game (i.e. datamining) - which blizz actively tries to prevent |
| 10:23.10 | Ellipsis | however blizz tried to make it EASIER on auctioneer by adding auction scan API |
| 10:23.10 | jumpmasterflash | i am 100% sure price statistics were mentioned as i read that section several times. i could not see how why they would forbid it. i can't tell you _where_ i read it, though. sorry |
| 10:23.20 | Ellipsis | which I doubt they would do if it was conflicting with their ToU |
| 10:24.09 | jumpmasterflash | hmm, the automatic datamining you quoted sounds like the bit i read. i assumed that covered auctioneer, as well |
| 10:24.51 | Ellipsis | datamining is slightly different - although I suppose legally that section is vague enough to include auctioneer, in practice there's a fairly clear distinction |
| 10:25.22 | Arrowmaster | yes the entire datamining section is extremely vague |
| 10:25.27 | Ellipsis | I guess the best way to phrase that distinction is that datamining is an attempt to collect information and content created by blizzard, while auction data is player-generated |
| 10:25.56 | Arrowmaster | except blizzard doesnt do anything about datamining the client files |
| 10:26.03 | jumpmasterflash | i would not say that auctioneer does much that is not datamining, but yah, it might be a case of the devs ignoring what the legal weasels came up with |
| 10:26.30 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: they do block addons from doing it though (throttling item caching and such) |
| 10:26.50 | Arrowmaster | im guessing their concern about 'datamining' is trying to query info from the servers |
| 10:27.00 | jumpmasterflash | i.e. a common sense override. still, by the letter of the terms, i would say auctioneer is forbidden (not that i care, mind) |
| 10:27.28 | Ellipsis | jumpmasterflash: either way, in practice it remains that blizz doesn't seem to mind much about the auction data (as I said above, actively encouraging it with API changes), while they have a very harsh stance on cross-faction translation and HAVE taken action against those who tried to do it |
| 10:27.31 | Arrowmaster | hell wowhead is an official fansite now i think and they datamine the client files and have people upload there WDB cache files for datamining |
| 10:28.40 | Ellipsis | a key section in the ToU is "Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update the Program with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces." |
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| 10:29.24 | Ellipsis | "use of certain third party user interfaces" probably consists of whatever blizz says is ok...most of the time that's "you can do anything the API allows, but never cross-faction communication" |
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| 10:29.51 | Ellipsis | however they are terrible about consistency when it comes to their ToU :P |
| 10:30.21 | Arrowmaster | probably because they dont expect anybody to actually read it |
| 10:30.46 | Ellipsis | and for the most part, they're right... |
| 10:31.33 | Arrowmaster | heh i just went out and turned my car off after having it running for 1.5 hours and now the neighbours are up and getting out their gas generator i think |
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| 10:35.00 | Fisker- | tickles Ellipsis |
| 10:40.39 | jumpmasterflash | ah, yah |
| 10:41.04 | jumpmasterflash | what is the best staff i can get for the badges you get from heroic bosses? |
| 10:46.25 | nevcairiel | for what class? =P |
| 10:47.01 | jumpmasterflash | what a useless detail ;) |
| 10:47.06 | jumpmasterflash | mage, fire-skilled |
| 10:47.57 | Kalroth | uhm, none |
| 10:48.04 | jumpmasterflash | pity |
| 10:48.08 | Kalroth | there's no staff for mages from badges |
| 10:48.16 | jumpmasterflash | what would you get for a mage with the badges, then? |
| 10:48.35 | Ellipsis | if you can afford it, the sunwell badge mainhand is awesome |
| 10:48.37 | jumpmasterflash | i have ~80 and no idea what to do with them |
| 10:48.41 | Anadale_ | Mmm, almost nothing worth spending badges :) |
| 10:49.00 | Ellipsis | then pick up either the fire offhand from shatt badges or some other generic caster offhand |
| 10:49.02 | Anadale_ | I have 600 and have absolutely no idea how to spend 'em :) |
| 10:49.22 | Anadale_ | For fire mage it's pretty easy to get MH dagger from Naj'entus |
| 10:49.24 | Ellipsis | jumpmasterflash: keep collecting, it's 150 for that dagger ;) |
| 10:49.35 | Anadale_ | and offhand from the first boss in HS |
| 10:49.40 | Kalroth | jumpmasterflash: http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=8;cr=118:123;crs=29434:1;crv=0:0#0-2+1 |
| 10:50.01 | jumpmasterflash | does is make sense for mages to go two-hand? |
| 10:50.06 | Anadale_ | yes |
| 10:50.17 | Groktar | dances with jumpmasterflash |
| 10:50.32 | jumpmasterflash | Kalroth, neat, i have been lokking for such a site for ages |
| 10:50.33 | Kalroth | I'd say rarely, a dagger + offhand is usually better in terms of damage |
| 10:50.46 | Kalroth | staves might have more stamina (for pvp) though |
| 10:51.07 | Ellipsis | for casters, MH+OH is usually a more dmg/crit/hit based way to go |
| 10:51.24 | Ellipsis | staffs are usually "stat sticks" |
| 10:51.34 | Ellipsis | you'll get plenty of int and stam, but unless you're pvping you probably don't care :P |
| 10:51.43 | Anadale_ | ToC + that offhand (Can't remember it's english name) + neck from HS trash - is the best combination for fire-specced mage until you start farming SP |
| 10:52.01 | Groktar | HS? |
| 10:52.17 | Ellipsis | hyjal summit |
| 10:52.21 | Groktar | o |
| 10:52.22 | Anadale_ | Battle for Mount Hyjal, aka Hyjal Summit |
| 10:52.33 | jumpmasterflash | Anadale_, can you give me the full names of those daggers, please? |
| 10:52.39 | Anadale_ | second |
| 10:53.04 | Ellipsis | tempest of chaos |
| 10:53.16 | Anadale_ | Mainhand: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32237 |
| 10:53.19 | Groktar | nibbles on Ellipsis' soul |
| 10:53.21 | nevcairiel | people really say HS for hyjal? And i though MH for Mount Hyjal was the common version =P |
| 10:53.29 | Ellipsis | Groktar: oh, thanks! where'd you find it? |
| 10:53.33 | Groktar | first time i had seen it |
| 10:53.40 | Anadale_ | I'm trying to get ToC for 6 months now :( |
| 10:53.47 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: well, Anadale_ doesn't play on an english server, so it's likely they use different abbreviations :P |
| 10:53.49 | Kalroth | MH is Mount Hyjal! |
| 10:53.49 | Anadale_ | We've got a lot of cataclysms |
| 10:54.20 | Anadale_ | and our mages is getting T6 head tokens for "offspecs" :) |
| 10:54.32 | Anadale_ | and no single ToC :( |
| 10:54.44 | Anadale_ | And I'm a DKP leader :( |
| 10:54.48 | Groktar | hehe |
| 10:55.18 | Groktar | ya, we do the same thing with vanq boot/belt/bracer tokens |
| 10:55.23 | Kalroth | If it wasn't for glaives, we'd have stopped with BT a while back |
| 10:55.32 | nevcairiel | Groktar: we do that with prot |
| 10:55.35 | Groktar | we've given up on glaives |
| 10:55.39 | Kalroth | We got an Illidan-only ID last week though :D |
| 10:55.42 | Kalroth | Too easy to pass on |
| 10:55.45 | Anadale_ | Offhand: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30872 |
| 10:55.51 | Anadale_ | from Rage Winterchill |
| 10:56.00 | Groktar | we're convinced glaives only drop for terribles |
| 10:56.36 | Anadale_ | We have 4 offhands and no single mainhand :( |
| 10:56.44 | Fisker- | haxes |
| 10:56.44 | Groktar | we had 1 main hand |
| 10:56.45 | Kalroth | haha, same here |
| 10:56.50 | Groktar | and he recently sold his account |
| 10:56.54 | Anadale_ | we've got a lot of Tyranda's and NO SINGLE F&CKING SKULL :( |
| 10:56.55 | Kalroth | We've got 3 rogues and 1 warrior with the OH |
| 10:56.56 | Groktar | for $975 |
| 10:57.03 | Kalroth | our only MH was from a transfer |
| 10:57.13 | Anadale_ | Neck from HS trash: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32589 |
| 10:57.13 | Groktar | 4 skulls for us, 1 memento |
| 10:57.15 | nevcairiel | we had two OH and one MH .. our full set left the server |
| 10:57.21 | Kalroth | We give skulls to hunters now |
| 10:57.33 | Anadale_ | I HATE YOU |
| 10:57.35 | Anadale_ | :) |
| 10:57.43 | Groktar | i'm working on KJ, and i'm wearing the kara trinket |
| 10:58.04 | nevcairiel | we have a spriest with quagmirrians eye |
| 10:58.08 | Groktar | we've also only had 1 healing neck from felmyst |
| 10:58.14 | Groktar | h8 |
| 10:58.15 | Kalroth | 10 skulls looted, but we've also farmed BT for almost a year now :p |
| 10:58.24 | Groktar | same |
| 10:58.46 | Kalroth | Funny thing is that we've seen more glaives than Terons 2H axe drop |
| 10:58.54 | Groktar | lol |
| 10:58.57 | Anadale_ | And here is the best ring for PVE mage: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32527 |
| 10:59.00 | Kalroth | It's dropped exactly once in ~14 months |
| 10:59.10 | Anadale_ | drops from trash in BT, you can wear two of them at the same time |
| 10:59.45 | Kalroth | First Twins kill was uhmm, 2 months ago. We've had Band of Ruinous Delight drop 7 times since then. :p |
| 10:59.59 | Kalroth | 2.5 months actually |
| 11:00.06 | Groktar | 3 for us |
| 11:00.07 | Groktar | rougly |
| 11:00.11 | Groktar | *roughly |
| 11:00.13 | Anadale_ | When I was young :) |
| 11:00.20 | Anadale_ | And were playing a restodruid |
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| 11:00.37 | Groktar | i predict that my muru robes won't drop until 3.0 hits |
| 11:00.41 | Anadale_ | To get a T0 head I've made 68 runs to Scholomance |
| 11:00.45 | Groktar | and all the evil caster will take them from me |
| 11:01.21 | Kalroth | I usually got my shit in 1-3 runs, but then I get fucked by guildies that keeps running the same shitty instance over and over and over and over |
| 11:01.22 | Anadale_ | At that time I've made a special note for myself, that if the item is not dropped in 10 runs I should stop trying to get it :) |
| 11:01.37 | Kalroth | Our MT cleared Dire Maul nearly 300 times for the Onyxia sword |
| 11:01.45 | Groktar | hehe |
| 11:01.56 | Groktar | it dropped for me shortly after i paid 1100 gold for my warrior's |
| 11:01.59 | Anadale_ | But I still want ToC and the Skull. I'm lying to myself everytime I enter BT or HS - "Now, this is the LAST time" |
| 11:02.30 | Groktar | my guild won't even do hyjal for an archimonde only instance |
| 11:02.31 | Kalroth | Groktar: Yeah, 3-4 weeks later like 5 of the books dropped for various casuals and I got it for 1k gold, having done maybe 4-5 DM runs :P |
| 11:02.47 | Kalroth | I don't think we'd do Archimonde anymore either |
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| 11:02.59 | Kalroth | We have bought IDs for him earlier, but there's zero from him now |
| 11:03.12 | Groktar | oh, and then when i linked it in guild chat my GM had the audacity to tell me to give it to our "main tank" |
| 11:03.18 | Groktar | lol? |
| 11:03.25 | Kalroth | haha |
| 11:03.52 | Groktar | which was funny because i ended up tanking everything that was remotely difficult |
| 11:04.05 | Kalroth | Well I was dps spec when I got it, there was quite a few tanks miffed at me for using it for DPS :P |
| 11:04.12 | Groktar | ie you couldn't just stand there |
| 11:05.10 | Anadale_ | Back in the old BWL days our MT was caught tanking Nefarion with Ashkandi |
| 11:05.16 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:05.21 | Anadale_ | So why don't tank SP bosses with glaves? |
| 11:05.42 | Groktar | i'd be down to try it in 3.0 |
| 11:05.47 | Groktar | at least with the main hand |
| 11:05.51 | Kalroth | Our MT tanked Entropious with a broken shield last night, his TPS was rather shit due to no shield slams and he took a ton of damage :P |
| 11:05.56 | Groktar | with the devastate change |
| 11:06.21 | Anadale_ | Quck poll: How many of caster DPS guys will skill inscriptions for an extra glyphs? |
| 11:06.40 | Anadale_ | Second quick poll: How many DK you'll have in your guild on day one of 3.0? :)( |
| 11:06.47 | Kalroth | The main reason for a fast MH weapon is because of fast heroic strikes and usually not being hit capped. |
| 11:06.48 | Groktar | we thought we were going to kill up to kj on a tuesday tonight |
| 11:06.57 | Groktar | entropius 6% |
| 11:07.00 | Groktar | h8 him so much |
| 11:07.02 | Groktar | worst boss ever |
| 11:07.40 | Kalroth | Our best is 8%, haven't killed him yet. Last night we spent a total of ~1 hour waiting on people logging back in after being disconnected |
| 11:07.55 | Kalroth | And our Sentinel tank disconnected maybe 12 times. During the fights :) |
| 11:08.00 | Groktar | we've had 4 kills now |
| 11:08.14 | Groktar | people just like to take turns screwing up right before transition |
| 11:08.30 | Anadale_ | Yep, it's strange, but yesterday and day before yesterday the ping was awfull on Russian and some European realms :( |
| 11:08.39 | Kalroth | We got P1 and P1.5 sorted, it's mainly P2 thats fucking us up |
| 11:09.07 | Groktar | shouldn't take too long if you make it there consistently |
| 11:09.15 | Groktar | took us maybe 15 tries into p2? |
| 11:09.15 | Kalroth | people are still "LOL MUST STAND IN SAME SPOT TO MAX DPS/HEELZ, OH WAIT WUTS DAT BLACK HOLE DOING UNDER ME?" |
| 11:09.33 | Groktar | :( |
| 11:09.40 | Kalroth | And I swear that our rogues are trying to hug the Singularity on purpose :P |
| 11:09.57 | Ellipsis | maybe this time it will be warm and fuzzy? |
| 11:09.59 | Anadale_ | -DKP heals those who is unable to move |
| 11:10.00 | Groktar | we had a singularity throw someone into a dark fiend |
| 11:10.02 | Groktar | :( |
| 11:10.09 | Kalroth | aaaaand finally one of our rogues blade flurried a Dark Fiend last night, before it was dispelled |
| 11:10.29 | Groktar | we had two dark fiend wipes last night |
| 11:11.06 | Groktar | i don't fear the singularity as a priest |
| 11:11.11 | Groktar | my job is just to heal melee |
| 11:11.18 | Kalroth | I'm a warrior, I don't fear it either |
| 11:11.24 | Groktar | can do it perfectly well while being thrown all over the place |
| 11:11.26 | Groktar | :D |
| 11:11.37 | Kalroth | even if it does suck me in, then it's easy to escape just by running in the right direction |
| 11:12.08 | Groktar | you can get out? |
| 11:12.13 | Groktar | i've never tried |
| 11:12.19 | Groktar | but i hardly ever get it |
| 11:12.27 | Kalroth | It's a 15 yard range |
| 11:12.38 | Kalroth | When if it sucks you in, it'll throw you one way |
| 11:12.51 | Kalroth | if you keep running the way it throws you, you often get far enough away |
| 11:12.59 | Groktar | OIC |
| 11:13.01 | Groktar | oops caps |
| 11:13.10 | Groktar | usually when i get hit it dissipates after 1 toss |
| 11:13.19 | Groktar | because i see it spawn and move |
| 11:13.21 | Kalroth | of course being a warrior, I can just intervene away |
| 11:13.26 | Groktar | and then forget about it |
| 11:13.39 | Groktar | and sometimes i don't go quite far enough |
| 11:19.24 | mitch0 | yo |
| 11:23.35 | Groktar | devours mitch0's soul |
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| 11:41.50 | mitch0 | uhm |
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| 11:42.14 | Groktar | looks for the souls of mitch0's children |
| 11:43.04 | mitch0 | jeebus |
| 11:43.13 | mitch0 | how did SpellCaster end up on curseforge? |
| 11:43.31 | mitch0 | that mod is soooo outdated |
| 11:43.45 | mitch0 | I rewrote the whole thing as LibRangeCheck/RangeDisplay |
| 11:43.54 | mitch0 | I don't think it works at all |
| 11:44.07 | mitch0 | incidently, LibRangeCheck/RangeDisplay is not there |
| 11:44.43 | phyber | people on curseforge are idiots and upload mods that they don't own. |
| 11:44.52 | phyber | you can email the admins and they'll give you ownership of the projects. |
| 11:44.56 | mitch0 | erm, it's marked as "my project" |
| 11:45.07 | mitch0 | I just didn't put it there :) |
| 11:45.11 | phyber | oh, then you uploaded it in a drunken haze! |
| 11:45.18 | mitch0 | nfw |
| 11:45.34 | Ellipsis | if it's on wowace it's gonna be on curseforge :P |
| 11:45.35 | mitch0 | there was some talk about importing stuff to curseforge |
| 11:45.54 | mitch0 | ok, so why isn't RangeDisplay there? :) |
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| 11:46.30 | Ellipsis | because it doesn't like you? |
| 11:46.51 | mitch0 | also, SpellCaster is listed as my project, yet search doesn't find it |
| 11:46.54 | nevcairiel | curseforge and wowace will still be seperate sets of addons |
| 11:47.01 | mitch0 | is confused |
| 11:47.18 | [Ammo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.23 | [Ammo] | that statement is not true |
| 11:47.28 | [Ammo] | it's going to remain on wowace |
| 11:47.35 | nevcairiel | If its on wowace, its going to be on curse |
| 11:47.39 | nevcairiel | but not on curseforge =P |
| 11:48.07 | Fisker- | If it's going to be seperate how will the curse client handle it then? |
| 11:48.07 | nevcairiel | you know, merging those millions of projects on the next weekend |
| 11:48.10 | nevcairiel | that will be fun |
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| 11:48.21 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: it just knows to check both! |
| 11:48.36 | Groktar | is afraid of the curse client |
| 11:48.37 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: technicalities |
| 11:48.43 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: not quite |
| 11:48.59 | Ellipsis | even saying that it's on wowace now is a technicality, since the servers are being run/paid for by curse :P |
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| 11:49.06 | Fisker- | just redundant nevcairiel |
| 11:49.12 | [Ammo] | wowace is its own identity |
| 11:49.20 | Ellipsis | identity means nothing |
| 11:49.25 | [Ammo] | it means everything |
| 11:49.28 | mitch0 | member since 2006/03/26 |
| 11:49.33 | sylvanaar | ah good morning #wowace |
| 11:49.43 | Ellipsis | k I'm just going to end this argument here and agree to disagree |
| 11:49.46 | sylvanaar | always delivers |
| 11:49.58 | Groktar | my guild site is on the same webhost that i use for a private message board |
| 11:50.17 | [Ammo] | women :P |
| 11:50.24 | nevcairiel | obviously the hoster of a page defines its identity, dont you get it [Ammo]! |
| 11:50.24 | Groktar | i don't think the two are really related |
| 11:50.26 | mitch0 | so, how does one delete a project on curseforge? |
| 11:50.41 | nevcairiel | you click abandon |
| 11:50.41 | Groktar | curse needs some massive deletions |
| 11:50.58 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: that's not what I'm saying at all |
| 11:50.59 | Fisker- | they could start over |
| 11:51.01 | Fisker- | not a bad idea |
| 11:51.07 | mitch0 | nev: where? |
| 11:51.10 | Ellipsis | I'm saying that identity aside, it's all going to the same servers to be handled by the same people |
| 11:51.24 | nevcairiel | the tech in the back ground is |
| 11:51.30 | nevcairiel | the frontend has totally different admins and mods |
| 11:51.49 | Ellipsis | and I care this much about the frontend: |
| 11:52.10 | nevcairiel | who cares who takes care that our server is still running? |
| 11:52.13 | mitch0 | ah, it's already abandoned, it seems |
| 11:52.23 | nevcairiel | as long as someone does it |
| 11:53.14 | [Ammo] | just be glad there are people taking care of the frontend or the whole deal would end up as polluted as curse :p |
| 11:53.21 | Fisker- | I just thought that the new wowace would be some kind of portal |
| 11:53.26 | Fisker- | Well you could say that it is |
| 11:53.36 | Fisker- | But i thought that the addons would distinctly be curseforge |
| 11:53.40 | nevcairiel | all pages on the web are some kind of portal for everything |
| 11:53.41 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: we'll see about that when it goes live, I guess ;) |
| 11:53.52 | mitch0 | is there a quasy-up-to-date writeup about the current state of affairs regarding wowace/curseforge? |
| 11:53.54 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: no totally different data backends |
| 11:54.07 | nevcairiel | only thing thats shared is the user accounts |
| 11:54.17 | nevcairiel | everything addon-wise is seperate |
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| 11:57.02 | nevcairiel | just as a heads up, we'll do a massive house cleaning on wowace about 2 month after 3.0, so any addons that didnt get updated by then will be marked as abandoned, someone else could still pick them up then, but wont show in the listings anymore, i believe same for CF |
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| 11:57.46 | steev | mitch0: thats what i'd like as well, because currently no idea whats going on ;) |
| 11:57.58 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 11:58.22 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.0 |
| 11:58.26 | nevcairiel | doesnt that explain the most? |
| 11:58.45 | mitch0 | well, I've been out-of-business for half a year, but I'd like to get back to wow a bit and clean up my addons (if they need it) for 3.0 |
| 11:58.50 | mitch0 | ah |
| 11:58.52 | mitch0 | will read |
| 11:59.10 | nevcairiel | on the current state, if all goes as planned, wowace will upgrade on friday to saturday |
| 11:59.29 | mitch0 | that's when addons will get their own repo? |
| 11:59.34 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 11:59.38 | steev | nevcairiel: 32 pages of posts to read through, isn't exactly up to date - forums aren't good for things being abreast |
| 11:59.44 | mitch0 | externals broken left-and-right? |
| 11:59.52 | mitch0 | or will those be updated automagically? |
| 12:00.12 | nevcairiel | I believe kaelten wrote a script (or is still planning to), to fix the externals |
| 12:00.38 | nevcairiel | however some breakage just cant be avoided |
| 12:00.49 | steev | what about the updater - will the source to that be released? (the "abandoned one") |
| 12:01.10 | nevcairiel | WAU? its already open source |
| 12:01.11 | mitch0 | nev: and what's the current policy regarding stable/dev releases? |
| 12:01.18 | mitch0 | do we need to tag/branch stuff? |
| 12:01.22 | Groktar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM <- i don't think the title is an exaggeration |
| 12:01.38 | steev | nevcairiel: last i knew, it was opensourced, then yanked because people were just taking the source and removing the ads and recompiling |
| 12:01.54 | nevcairiel | mitch0: you need to tag to get a stable release |
| 12:01.59 | nevcairiel | other then that, do what you want |
| 12:02.09 | nevcairiel | trunk is considerd alpha |
| 12:02.15 | nevcairiel | tags can be marked as beta or release |
| 12:02.28 | mitch0 | nev: any specifics? |
| 12:02.35 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 12:02.47 | mitch0 | like, how does it know it's beta or release tag? |
| 12:02.58 | mitch0 | naming convention? |
| 12:03.00 | mitch0 | or ? |
| 12:03.01 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 12:03.05 | nevcairiel | and you can change it afterwards |
| 12:03.07 | nevcairiel | from the interface |
| 12:03.11 | Groktar | i saw a beta login |
| 12:03.12 | mitch0 | what interface? |
| 12:03.16 | Groktar | for new wowace |
| 12:03.17 | nevcairiel | on the web page |
| 12:03.18 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 12:03.26 | nevcairiel | you can even create tags from that page |
| 12:03.32 | mitch0 | is it up yet? |
| 12:03.32 | Groktar | http://beta.wowace.com/announcements/beta-phase-commencing/ |
| 12:03.36 | mitch0 | ah |
| 12:03.38 | mitch0 | thanks |
| 12:03.38 | nevcairiel | yeah on beta.wowace.com |
| 12:03.42 | Zeksie | Is anyone still working on Baggins? Has got a few annoying bugs that are nagging at me saying 'Fix me, fix me'.. |
| 12:03.50 | Groktar | it says it's public beta |
| 12:03.51 | nevcairiel | feel free to play around, all data there will be wiped on friday before the move |
| 12:04.22 | [Ammo] | I look forward to the new wowace |
| 12:05.39 | nevcairiel | Can we skip the next week of peopel complaining and me having to fix all the projects? =P |
| 12:05.49 | [Ammo] | easy fix |
| 12:05.53 | [Ammo] | 'sod off to curseforge' |
| 12:05.54 | [Ammo] | done :p |
| 12:05.58 | Zeksie | heh |
| 12:06.19 | nevcairiel | i bet even your projects are not properly assigned to you |
| 12:06.20 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 12:06.31 | [Ammo] | probably not |
| 12:06.39 | nevcairiel | http://beta.wowace.com/profiles/Ammo/ |
| 12:06.41 | nevcairiel | yeah only 3 |
| 12:06.42 | [Ammo] | although I'm listed as Author: Ammo on all the important onces |
| 12:06.50 | mitch0 | hm. the "tab bar" doesn't work flawlessly in opera (beta.wowace.com) |
| 12:06.55 | nevcairiel | it matches on email address now |
| 12:07.06 | [Ammo] | doh |
| 12:07.14 | nevcairiel | because author names are ambiguous |
| 12:07.17 | [Ammo] | well I'll complain no worries :) |
| 12:07.32 | nevcairiel | i suppose you get moderator and can fix yourself |
| 12:09.21 | [Ammo] | I think I had moderator for a whole of 30 seconds :p |
| 12:09.29 | [Ammo] | according to 2 emails I got a few days ago |
| 12:09.35 | [Ammo] | but I've been busy at work |
| 12:09.35 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:09.36 | [Ammo] | very bosy |
| 12:09.38 | [Ammo] | busy |
| 12:10.08 | nevcairiel | how is that going? already some brilliant plans in motion to spread their load? |
| 12:10.21 | [Ammo] | well it's getting there |
| 12:10.32 | [Ammo] | but we're mainly fighting fires atm |
| 12:10.42 | [Ammo] | structural changes are coming along too though |
| 12:10.44 | Fisker- | can i be a moderator? |
| 12:10.47 | Fisker- | i'm good with people |
| 12:10.50 | [Ammo] | already reduced database load by 80% |
| 12:11.08 | [Ammo] | yes 80% the coding there was pretty bad :p |
| 12:11.24 | [Ammo] | and I think I can reduce it by a lot some more |
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| 12:11.37 | mitch0 | fisker: :P |
| 12:11.38 | JoshBorke | a lot some more huh |
| 12:11.47 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 12:11.55 | [Ammo] | my engrish pwns your engrish |
| 12:12.05 | [SW]Dodge | someone knows how i get to the area around 55/90 in Tanaris? |
| 12:12.39 | mitch0 | erm, so what exactly whould be in X-Email if I want the migration tool to recognize it's my project? |
| 12:12.44 | [Ammo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.07 | [SW]Dodge | [Ammo]: q.q |
| 12:13.25 | [SW]Dodge | [Ammo]: [14:12:54] Type '/help' for a listing of a few commands. :E |
| 12:13.35 | nevcairiel | mitch0: the email in your curse account |
| 12:13.50 | nevcairiel | if you dont have one yet, create one, on either the wowace beta page, curseforge, or curse directly =P |
| 12:15.10 | mitch0 | nev: you mean the e-mail I used when I registered? where it sends password reminders and such? |
| 12:15.29 | nevcairiel | what other email could i mean :D |
| 12:15.38 | mitch0 | or there is an author@curseforge.com email? |
| 12:15.45 | nevcairiel | no |
| 12:15.46 | [Ammo] | the one he uses for porn registration forms |
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| 12:16.12 | mitch0 | well, I used my normal email address for registering, and I'm not quite sure I'd like to publish that in the toc... |
| 12:16.31 | mitch0 | will there be a "manual" way for claiming addons? |
| 12:16.38 | Ellipsis | yeah, you can bug an admin about it |
| 12:16.42 | mitch0 | ok |
| 12:16.50 | mitch0 | I only have 3, so it won't be much of a hassle ;) |
| 12:16.54 | Ellipsis | if you're worried about spam, ck said that name AT domain DOT com works too |
| 12:17.12 | Ellipsis | but if it's more a privacy thing, I'd say just wait and get it done manually afterwards |
| 12:17.19 | mitch0 | well, I'm worried about spam from users as well ;) |
| 12:17.33 | mitch0 | yeah, will do that |
| 12:18.09 | mitch0 | think I'll just svn rm SpellCaster before the migration ;) |
| 12:19.59 | mitch0 | hm. it's not even on svn any more |
| 12:22.14 | Fisker- | i already sold your email several times mitch0 |
| 12:22.31 | mitch0 | I noticed |
| 12:22.46 | mitch0 | but why did you sell to russians? |
| 12:23.02 | Fisker- | more money |
| 12:23.10 | mitch0 | fair enough |
| 12:25.35 | Fisker- | i need the money to buy Ellipsis presents |
| 12:27.31 | Ellipsis | I'm getting presents? :3 |
| 12:28.06 | Fisker- | yeah i paid the russians to take good care of you |
| 12:28.16 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 12:28.26 | Fisker- | something about shoes and a trip to the ocean |
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| 12:29.11 | Ellipsis | sounds great! :D |
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| 12:31.41 | [SW]Dodge | Fisker-: cement shoes and a one way trip to the ocean ground? :P |
| 12:31.55 | Fisker- | sounds right |
| 12:32.53 | [SW]Dodge | takes Ellipsis and hides her from Fisker- and his russian friends. hrhr |
| 12:33.20 | sylvanaar | i need gemz for my gearz on lich king - and the regrowth glyph, who wants to sell them to me |
| 12:33.23 | Ellipsis | aww, you're so overprotective |
| 12:33.59 | [SW]Dodge | Ellipsis: i understand that as "thank you" :D ^^ |
| 12:35.39 | Ellipsis | some might interpret it that way :P |
| 12:36.45 | [SW]Dodge | if you dont like that i try to protect you, i can tell Fisker- where you are :P |
| 12:37.42 | Ellipsis | please do |
| 12:37.45 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 12:37.48 | Ellipsis | and tell me while you're at it |
| 12:37.51 | Ellipsis | all I know is it's dark here :( |
| 12:37.52 | Chompers | stop hitting on people |
| 12:37.56 | Chompers | damn dude :< |
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| 12:39.06 | borri | hullo |
| 12:39.22 | borri | anyone around who can help me with a couple of lines of code ? |
| 12:39.38 | Ellipsis | ~asktoask |
| 12:39.40 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 12:39.42 | sylvanaar | anyone get o&o defrag 11? I'm wondering what they could have possibly added to it |
| 12:39.54 | borri | lol purl, ok :) |
| 12:39.58 | sylvanaar | except 1 lol |
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| 12:42.04 | borri | wondering if i should just paste the code or explain first, so here goes the expl. : i want to have a message in my chat when an arena game start; and 1.30 minutes after that; so i started a combatlog in arena and got the 'Arena Preparation' 'SPELL_AURA_REMOVED' thing out of it.. that's exactly when the doors open |
| 12:42.18 | borri | if(event == "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") then |
| 12:42.18 | borri | if(arg2 == "SPELL_AURA_REMOVED") then |
| 12:42.18 | borri | if(arg10 == "Arena Preparation") then |
| 12:42.18 | borri | SendChatMessage("The arena game has begon!", "CHANNEL", nil, "PARTY") |
| 12:42.18 | borri | end |
| 12:42.19 | borri | end |
| 12:42.21 | borri | end |
| 12:42.31 | borri | that's the code i have for it.. however, it doesn't do anything ; < |
| 12:42.51 | Ellipsis | multi-line pastes should be posted on pastey, btw :P |
| 12:43.07 | borri | on wot ? ;o |
| 12:43.26 | mitch0 | http://ace.pastey.net |
| 12:43.26 | sylvanaar | lrn to use spaces instead of tabs |
| 12:43.29 | Ellipsis | http://ace.pastey.net - as per the channel topic :P |
| 12:43.38 | borri | okay :) |
| 12:43.52 | Ellipsis | and ignore sylvanaar, he's sadly misplaced his sense of proper indentation style... |
| 12:44.07 | sylvanaar | hides |
| 12:44.16 | sylvanaar | indents |
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| 12:44.47 | sylvanaar | indents more |
| 12:44.49 | borri | meh, i've set up dreamweaver to 2 spaces when i use the tab thing.. so that's why i am so used to using tabs |
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| 12:45.07 | Fisker- | slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:45.12 | Fisker- | why so Chompers |
| 12:45.13 | Fisker- | ? |
| 12:45.14 | sylvanaar | tabs v. spaces is always fun |
| 12:45.36 | borri | as long as it looks readable i cba really : ) |
| 12:46.03 | Ellipsis | borri: can you paste the entire event handler please? |
| 12:46.43 | mitch0 | but not here :) |
| 12:46.53 | Ellipsis | well, here's hoping he figured that part out :P |
| 12:47.23 | borri | http://ace.pastey.net/96276 |
| 12:47.25 | borri | \o/ |
| 12:47.34 | mitch0 | btw, how much different/better/worse is the addon dev for warhammeronline? |
| 12:47.58 | Ellipsis | borri: I see you're not passing in any of the args that you're checking... |
| 12:48.11 | Ellipsis | which is technically allowed (until 3.0) but discouraged :P |
| 12:48.32 | borri | mkay |
| 12:48.54 | mitch0 | oh, 3.0 fixes this at last? |
| 12:49.07 | mitch0 | I see lots of addon breakage :) |
| 12:49.12 | Ellipsis | yes, the global argX's are gone in 3.0 |
| 12:49.16 | Ellipsis | praise be to blizrad |
| 12:49.35 | SunTsu | .o0( Is the word "begon" also allowed but discouraged? ;) ) |
| 12:49.43 | mitch0 | :) |
| 12:49.46 | Ellipsis | picky picky, SunTsu :P |
| 12:49.56 | mitch0 | sun: will be handled by localization, I guess :) |
| 12:50.12 | borri | i just add 3 dots between the function name brackets to do that right ? |
| 12:50.21 | borri | << feels like a tard |
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| 12:50.39 | ckknight | Anadale_: pong |
| 12:50.47 | mitch0 | borri: no, you need to explicitly name your variables |
| 12:50.56 | Anadale_ | ckknight, good to see you again :) |
| 12:51.07 | mitch0 | you can pass all your inputs down the pipe with "..." though |
| 12:51.28 | Anadale_ | Ok, my yesterday's question was: is it possible to get the list of available namespaces in LDT? |
| 12:51.42 | ckknight | Anadale_: I'm not sure it is |
| 12:51.44 | Ellipsis | HA! I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED THAT! |
| 12:51.49 | Ellipsis | *ahem* |
| 12:52.08 | ckknight | indoor voice |
| 12:52.16 | Anadale_ | Or maybe add a function in LDT to "advertise" a namespace, so addon authors will be able to present the list of namespaces to the player asking "tickle those you are interesting in"? |
| 12:52.21 | Ellipsis | I don't think I have one of them |
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| 12:57.22 | Dotted | nevcairiel ping |
| 12:58.47 | mitch0 | erm, AdvancedBagsPlus will be dead for sure by 3.0, right? :( |
| 12:58.58 | Fisker- | om nom nom |
| 13:00.59 | Anadale_ | ckknight? |
| 13:01.35 | ckknight | Anadale_: I think it's an alright idea |
| 13:01.53 | [SW]Dodge | Pitbull reputation bar does not update while in combat, is that correct? :O |
| 13:02.06 | mitch0 | dodge: does it matter?! :) |
| 13:02.22 | [SW]Dodge | yea :D |
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| 13:03.05 | Anadale_ | ckknight: so you would add API to LDT to advertise namespaces? |
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| 13:03.24 | Ellipsis | ...but I asked for that like, forever ago :( |
| 13:03.31 | ckknight | Anadale_: once I get some time perhaps |
| 13:03.48 | Anadale_ | Ellipsis: he likes me more than you :) |
| 13:04.16 | mitch0 | so, what's the current recommendation for a bag addon? (I need something that can put stuff in categories) and not "onebag" or "hugebag" style |
| 13:04.23 | Stanzilla | Combuctor <3 |
| 13:04.35 | Ellipsis | Anadale_: o rly? |
| 13:04.56 | Anadale_ | ;) |
| 13:05.13 | Ellipsis | mitch0: if you want sorting into separate bags, baggins is still the only real option |
| 13:05.28 | mitch0 | but it still can't replace the default bags, right? |
| 13:05.33 | [dRaCo] | it can |
| 13:05.48 | Ellipsis | er, replace them how? |
| 13:05.48 | mitch0 | oh |
| 13:05.50 | smcn | hey what do you know, i'm looking for a bag mod replacement too, the only feature i really want from baggins is compressing item slots (ie, 5 stacks of netherweave will show in 1 button) |
| 13:06.00 | Kalroth | mitch0: You could get the Ellipsis version of onebag! |
| 13:06.04 | mitch0 | like, replace the icons on the default GUI with the custom bags |
| 13:06.15 | Ellipsis | oh, no it can't |
| 13:06.25 | Anadale_ | smcn: baggins indeed compress item slots |
| 13:06.28 | Anadale_ | for sure |
| 13:06.35 | Ellipsis | and it also never got keybindings to open individual bags, which I begged for :( |
| 13:06.39 | Kalroth | checks. |
| 13:06.42 | mitch0 | smcn: why do you want to replace baggins? |
| 13:06.45 | Kalroth | Yup, no op! |
| 13:07.00 | [dRaCo] | it does, Ellipsis, when you click the bag button, it opens baggins |
| 13:07.04 | [dRaCo] | at least it does for me |
| 13:07.17 | Anadale_ | dRaCo: +1 |
| 13:07.27 | smcn | well, currently on beta token items (badge of justice, marks of honor etc) are showing in baggins even with "show in bags" disabled on the token window |
| 13:07.35 | smcn | if you can tell me how to fix that i won't need to ;) |
| 13:07.53 | Ellipsis | [dRaCo]: that's not what he means |
| 13:07.58 | [dRaCo] | it isnt? |
| 13:08.07 | Ellipsis | he means that the 5 bag icons can each open individual bags of baggins |
| 13:08.34 | Ellipsis | which certain old bag mods used to do (I don't think any of them are still around/updated though) |
| 13:09.04 | mitch0 | ABP+ worked for me about 3-4 months ago |
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| 13:09.09 | mitch0 | probly still works |
| 13:09.20 | mitch0 | but also will likely be broken beyond repair with 3.0 :( |
| 13:09.35 | Ellipsis | why? 3.0 didn't change anything inventory-related afaik |
| 13:09.59 | mitch0 | well, I thinkg the global vars will be enough to break it |
| 13:10.08 | Ellipsis | maybe |
| 13:10.13 | Ellipsis | would be a simple enough fix though |
| 13:10.14 | mitch0 | and it wasn't in a very good shape to start with ;)_ |
| 13:10.17 | [dRaCo] | if it's just the globals, it should be pretty easy to fix |
| 13:10.32 | Ellipsis | surely someone (if not the author) would get it working again |
| 13:10.59 | mitch0 | I'd rather add the map-icon-replace function to some well maintained bag mod ;) |
| 13:11.09 | mitch0 | this combuctor thing looks nice |
| 13:11.13 | Ellipsis | let me know if you find one ;) |
| 13:11.34 | Ellipsis | combuctor is the only bag addon I know of that's well-coded and actively updated/maintained |
| 13:11.42 | Ellipsis | unfortunately it just doesn't suit my style of inventory management :( |
| 13:11.43 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: You didn't even bite :( |
| 13:11.55 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: I only do that by special request |
| 13:12.04 | Kalroth | [15:06] <Kalroth> mitch0: You could get the Ellipsis version of onebag! |
| 13:12.25 | Ellipsis | I just assumed we were going to continue ignoring you |
| 13:12.31 | Kalroth | oh okay :( |
| 13:12.33 | Ellipsis | mitch0 seems to have gone with that assumption too |
| 13:12.38 | Ellipsis | so I don't see the problem? :) |
| 13:12.41 | Kalroth | well I've trolled him before |
| 13:12.46 | Kalroth | But you're still a virgin |
| 13:12.50 | Ellipsis | once trolled, twice shy |
| 13:12.53 | Ellipsis | I deal with Fisker- daily |
| 13:13.08 | Kalroth | Fisker is simple though, he likes simple trolling |
| 13:13.19 | Kalroth | I prefer foreplay |
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| 13:13.23 | Ellipsis | and your trolling is the work of a master? |
| 13:13.32 | mitch0 | guess it's time for a break :) |
| 13:13.37 | mitch0 | & (coffee) |
| 13:13.42 | Ellipsis | enjoy, mitch0 |
| 13:13.46 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Compared to Fisker, yes |
| 13:13.55 | ckknight | trolling can only be considered mastery only if you realize trolling after the whole thing's done |
| 13:13.57 | Kalroth | but then again, purl got more brains than Fisker |
| 13:14.03 | ckknight | with Fisker, you can tell right away |
| 13:14.25 | Kalroth | Of course ck is alive, so now I can't finish my troll |
| 13:14.37 | Ellipsis | trolling only becomes an art when the troller and trollee are equally unaware of the trolling until after the fact |
| 13:14.38 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: I'll finish it when ck is afk! |
| 13:14.48 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: ooh, it's the naughty kind of troll? |
| 13:15.01 | Kalroth | No, not really, but he'd still kick me |
| 13:15.05 | Kalroth | Or you'd make him kick me |
| 13:15.10 | Ellipsis | I can't make him do anything |
| 13:15.11 | Kalroth | Since you're mean like that |
| 13:15.12 | Ellipsis | see, watch |
| 13:15.17 | Ellipsis | ckknight: tell Kalroth to leave me alone |
| 13:15.26 | Kalroth | takes notes. |
| 13:15.35 | ckknight | Ellipsis: you're a big girl, take care of yourself |
| 13:15.42 | Ellipsis | QED. |
| 13:15.47 | Fisker- | nah ckknight |
| 13:15.47 | Kalroth | See, if I was Fisker I might have fallen for that. |
| 13:16.02 | Fisker- | There's a difference in trolling and obvious trolling |
| 13:16.11 | Kalroth | But I know how ck likes to lurk in the shadow, only to distribute a swift kick at first opportunity |
| 13:16.44 | Fisker- | So infact you fail |
| 13:16.46 | Fisker- | all of you do |
| 13:16.56 | Ellipsis | we fail because our trolling is subtler than yours? |
| 13:17.02 | Fisker- | no |
| 13:17.07 | Kalroth | him and nev are the same, one moment you're quietly insulting their sanity or some other personality, next moment they're all offended! |
| 13:17.15 | Kalroth | personality issue* |
| 13:17.22 | Fisker- | You fail because you fail to realize that i'm not trolling but obvious trolling |
| 13:17.29 | Ellipsis | sanity deserves to be insulted |
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| 13:18.10 | Kalroth | Fisker-: No, you fail because you're trying to blame your obvious trolling on it being obvious and not on your weak troll-fu |
| 13:18.21 | Fisker- | Nah |
| 13:18.23 | Fisker- | cause i also troll |
| 13:18.28 | Fisker- | quite effectively as well |
| 13:18.47 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Anyways, it seems like he's gone now, so I can finish it! Your version of onebag would have been called onehag! |
| 13:18.47 | Fisker- | Unlike you i'm actually able to distinguish the 2 |
| 13:18.49 | Kalroth | runs for it. |
| 13:19.21 | Kalroth | (Yes, I know it was a weak insult after this lengthy discussion. It seemed like a good one back then.) |
| 13:19.23 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: you wasted 12 minutes on that? |
| 13:19.27 | Kalroth | :P |
| 13:19.28 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 13:20.11 | Kalroth | I'll do better next time, I promise |
| 13:20.16 | Ellipsis | you'd better |
| 13:20.26 | Ellipsis | now you've gone and made yourself look bad in front of Fisker- |
| 13:20.30 | Ellipsis | he will forever mock you for being the weaker troll |
| 13:20.50 | Fisker- | Nah |
| 13:20.57 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure that it was still better than anything Fisker comes up with |
| 13:20.58 | Fisker- | I always were the greatest troll |
| 13:21.03 | Fisker- | No need to rub it in |
| 13:21.09 | Kalroth | hell, lua_bot is a better troll than Fisker |
| 13:21.21 | ckknight | lol, Kalroth |
| 13:21.21 | Dotted | Antiarc oing |
| 13:21.31 | Fisker- | oing indeed |
| 13:21.33 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: seriously though? I can come up with like 4 better jokes than that one off the top of my head |
| 13:21.49 | ckknight | Dotted: how do you respond to that? oong? |
| 13:21.50 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: I'm sorry :/ Like I said, it seemed funny 15 minutes ago. |
| 13:21.57 | Dotted | Fisker- oing is the new ping, much more effective |
| 13:22.02 | Ellipsis | and in all honesty if I were to write a bag mod it would most certainly be called FunBags |
| 13:22.10 | ckknight | lol |
| 13:22.11 | Ellipsis | :3 |
| 13:22.11 | Dotted | ckknight idd |
| 13:22.20 | Dotted | its ace2 even :P |
| 13:23.21 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Is there a way to try it out? To make sure the bags really are fun. In the matter of science only of course. |
| 13:25.12 | nevcairiel | Dotted: ? |
| 13:25.32 | Dotted | nevcairiel anyway to make bt4 accept som sort of default profile? |
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| 13:25.54 | Dotted | it insists on per char profiles :/ |
| 13:26.05 | nevcairiel | yes, it does |
| 13:27.09 | Dotted | so by that i take it, it isnt possible? |
| 13:28.02 | nevcairiel | not directly, just write a script to change the profile after first login, or dont be so lazy =) |
| 13:28.44 | Dotted | so how do i script it :P? |
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| 13:42.04 | Pkekyo| | questing or dungeons more productive to level (when getting boosted)? |
| 13:46.01 | KriLL3 | I'd say questing, unless you got a couple of quests for an instance |
| 13:47.06 | KriLL3 | remember that you get no kill xp if boosted (or very little, forgot which) so quest completion is what rakes in the XP |
| 13:48.23 | nevcairiel | depends in what level range really |
| 13:48.27 | KriLL3 | true |
| 13:48.32 | nevcairiel | 70-80 is questing the fastest |
| 13:48.37 | nevcairiel | and questing alone |
| 13:48.38 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:49.06 | KriLL3 | I'd still run some instances for gear though |
| 13:49.07 | mitch0 | hrmp, this combuctor thing is not good for me after all... so back to baggins. is that maintained? |
| 13:49.19 | KriLL3 | and I guess some quest series take a tour inside an instance sooner or later |
| 13:49.37 | KriLL3 | mitch0: what's wrong with combuctor? I use it and like it |
| 13:49.52 | mitch0 | I like to open several "bags" at once |
| 13:49.56 | KriLL3 | I just wish the author of the modified version for LK left quest items etc in there |
| 13:50.01 | KriLL3 | eww |
| 13:50.14 | KriLL3 | then why have a bad addon? blizzard's default will serve you fine |
| 13:50.17 | KriLL3 | *bag |
| 13:50.26 | mitch0 | krill: to sort stuff automagically |
| 13:50.32 | KriLL3 | why would anyone want multiple bags? |
| 13:50.45 | KriLL3 | mitch0: heard of mr.plow? |
| 13:50.49 | mitch0 | no |
| 13:50.59 | KriLL3 | it sorts your inventory/bank |
| 13:51.05 | mitch0 | nah |
| 13:51.12 | mitch0 | I need more "bags" then bags |
| 13:51.16 | mitch0 | s/then/than/ |
| 13:51.24 | KriLL3 | ...? |
| 13:51.41 | mitch0 | I need a separate bag for each of my categories |
| 13:51.49 | mitch0 | and num(categories) > num(bags) |
| 13:51.50 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 13:52.19 | KriLL3 | I just have stuff on different rows |
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| 13:52.54 | mitch0 | well, I either readjust, or write a bag addon for myself... |
| 13:53.02 | KriLL3 | consumables on the bottom row, gear on the 2 above that, then a 4 row empty space up to [Arclight Spanner] and all that stuff in 2 rows |
| 13:53.06 | Kalroth | We need more bag addons |
| 13:53.17 | KriLL3 | combuctor does all I need :> |
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| 13:53.35 | KriLL3 | it's a lot like AllInOneBag from back in the day, but with filters |
| 13:54.00 | mitch0 | krill: by the way, does it support manual classification? (as in, drag an item from one category to another) |
| 13:54.01 | nevcairiel | yeah i prefer sorting my bag in rows and sections myself too |
| 13:54.06 | nevcairiel | screw auto-category-bags |
| 13:54.29 | KriLL3 | I use mrplow on my bank though |
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| 13:54.55 | mitch0 | nev: but your sorting is persistent, right? once you sort it, and get the same item again, it gets placed in the correct row, right? |
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| 13:55.22 | mitch0 | also, some default sorting is nice (like consumables, equipment, junk) |
| 13:55.34 | mitch0 | I just like to override that sometimes |
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| 13:59.22 | nevcairiel | mitch0: my sorting is all hand-made, i can sort it however i like =P |
| 13:59.25 | KriLL3 | I just wish blizz made tabards into non items also, got a ton of em |
| 13:59.50 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: same, though I've stuck to the same structure I mentioned above since first getting AllInOneBag way way back |
| 14:00.08 | KriLL3 | random persistent items, empty space, gear, consumables |
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| 14:00.21 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: honestly, I'd just say try 'em out, play with them a bit until you really get a feel for whether you like them or not |
| 14:00.52 | Ellipsis | satisfaction guaranteed or your money back...less shipping and handling ;) |
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| 14:03.40 | mitch0 | oh, spellcast pushback has been changed as well. nice. not superb, but nice ;) |
| 14:04.05 | Fisker- | waits for the concentration aura talent to be changed |
| 14:04.05 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:04.16 | mitch0 | it's still useful |
| 14:04.29 | Fisker- | meh |
| 14:04.30 | mitch0 | at least, it's almost as useful as it was |
| 14:04.41 | mitch0 | (not saying it was _very_ useful to begin with) |
| 14:04.43 | Fisker- | First the silence change and now the pushback one |
| 14:04.47 | KriLL3 | mitch0: it's not nice at all |
| 14:05.06 | Fisker- | I hope they make one to increase healing or something |
| 14:05.09 | mitch0 | krill: yeah, puchback should've been booted altogether, but it's better |
| 14:05.14 | KriLL3 | I'm feral, I have no spell interrupt to speak of, my only defense against casters is my fast hits, and now that's gone |
| 14:05.20 | KriLL3 | no increase it |
| 14:05.22 | Fisker- | or make us have the concentration aura work on other auras as well |
| 14:05.27 | mitch0 | krill: qq more |
| 14:05.30 | mitch0 | :) |
| 14:05.35 | Fisker- | feral druids are cute |
| 14:05.55 | KriLL3 | mitch0: it's making an already broken pvp system even worse, spellcasters are way too imba already, no need to add to it |
| 14:05.56 | mitch0 | it was impossible to cast a 1.5 sec spell if you had a cat (or a rogue for that matter) on your back |
| 14:06.06 | KriLL3 | that's good |
| 14:06.09 | mitch0 | no |
| 14:06.19 | KriLL3 | all spellcasters got plenty of CC, make em use it |
| 14:06.22 | Ellipsis | sheesh, they've already reworked 90% of pally abilitiies, why not the last few |
| 14:06.24 | KriLL3 | also all of you got various bubbles |
| 14:06.28 | mitch0 | says the druid... |
| 14:06.36 | KriLL3 | yes says the druid |
| 14:06.51 | mitch0 | try your (mage) cc on a druid... |
| 14:06.57 | KriLL3 | lol |
| 14:07.09 | KriLL3 | thats one out of a million ccs that doesn't work on us |
| 14:07.15 | KriLL3 | we got 2 that only works on us |
| 14:07.19 | KriLL3 | hibernate and scare beast |
| 14:07.24 | Ellipsis | I swear it's just like blizzard is saying "of course pallies are completely different from DKs! I mean, look, they even have heals and stuff! right, so um, HEY LOOK OVER THERE A FLYING MONKEY *poof*" |
| 14:07.35 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 14:08.10 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: kinda their stance on feral tanking, ofc you'll be viable, yes everyone else got parry and block, except DKs whom get even more parry to compensate |
| 14:08.12 | Fisker- | i don't get why they had to nerf the armor buff from LoH |
| 14:08.15 | KriLL3 | *runs away* |
| 14:08.18 | Fisker- | Armor is like pointless |
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| 14:10.07 | mitch0 | about the spellpower change: does that get rid of the +frost, +fire etc stats, too? |
| 14:10.27 | _SunTsu | That would be great |
| 14:10.40 | Ellipsis | mitch0: no, there's e.g. "fire spellpower" |
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| 14:10.59 | mitch0 | uhm |
| 14:11.07 | durcyn | so far, it seems they consolidated everything |
| 14:11.11 | durcyn | see: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=32590 |
| 14:11.58 | Ellipsis | they've converted many (most) items, but not all |
| 14:12.02 | Ellipsis | e.g. http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=22128 |
| 14:12.32 | Fisker- | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=28592 <-this libram makes me cry |
| 14:12.44 | mitch0 | gah: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=21870 |
| 14:13.16 | Ellipsis | yeah the shadoweave change was particularly dumb imo |
| 14:13.26 | Ellipsis | of all the things to NOT allow school-specific damage on |
| 14:13.33 | mitch0 | used to be +57 frost damage |
| 14:13.47 | mitch0 | qq |
| 14:14.01 | mitch0 | oh well, will trash it before xmas anyway ;) |
| 14:14.40 | Ellipsis | I'm sad though, my FSW lasted me from the day I dinged 70 til probably halfway through northrend |
| 14:14.51 | mitch0 | oh |
| 14:14.57 | Fisker- | lets all talk about my precious libram |
| 14:15.02 | mitch0 | I thought better stuff would come up earlier |
| 14:15.06 | Fisker- | QQ and all that |
| 14:15.09 | Ellipsis | it will, now :( |
| 14:15.28 | mitch0 | QQ |
| 14:15.58 | Ellipsis | my guess is you'll replace FSW in dragonblight, if not BT/HF |
| 14:16.17 | Arrowmaster | hmm i actually welcome that nethervoid cloak change |
| 14:16.39 | Arrowmaster | i always forget to swap my nethervoid cloak for my ruby drape when i solo with fire |
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| 14:18.15 | SunTsu | Frozen Shadowweave seems to be converted. Yay! |
| 14:18.29 | mitch0 | sun: are you mad? |
| 14:18.51 | SunTsu | mitch0: Sure, but why specifically? |
| 14:19.46 | mitch0 | it used to be good and now it's not? |
| 14:19.54 | Fisker- | PEOPLE |
| 14:19.57 | Fisker- | look at the big picture |
| 14:20.02 | Fisker- | MY LIBRAM IS WORTHLESS |
| 14:20.04 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 14:20.12 | mitch0 | stick your libram where it hurts |
| 14:20.14 | SunTsu | mitch0: It#s basically the same, just ist's not frost/shadow damage anymore |
| 14:20.36 | mitch0 | sun: basically the same == -30 or so frost damage... |
| 14:20.52 | Fisker- | my Libram == -100% healing |
| 14:20.53 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 14:21.00 | mitch0 | but at least it's BOE now |
| 14:21.11 | mitch0 | or is that a con, too? dunno |
| 14:21.28 | Fisker- | if you unequip it then it shouldn't be soulbound when the change occurs >.3 |
| 14:21.29 | SunTsu | mitch0: BoP |
| 14:21.29 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 14:21.36 | SunTsu | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=21914 |
| 14:21.47 | Fisker- | that's boe |
| 14:21.58 | mitch0 | yep |
| 14:22.04 | mitch0 | the recipe is bop, but the boots are boe |
| 14:22.06 | thul | Nå er billettsalget til Hoppeballet godt i gang, men kjønnsbalansen er veldig skjev. |
| 14:22.09 | thul | want to go? :-P |
| 14:22.15 | thul | Alle gutter oppfordres derfor til å møte opp i kantina på Nova i morgen, onsdag 18/9, mellom 12 og 13 og kjøpe billett! <- Pkekyo| |
| 14:22.18 | thul | Ikke gå glipp av denne sjansen til å møte masse (kanskje) single, definitivt (over)pyntede og veldig søte, jusstudiner i alle aldre og for enhver smak. |
| 14:22.21 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.36 | Fisker- | jusstudiner? |
| 14:23.21 | thul | mitch0: hey, I'm inviting Pkekyo| to see some ladies :-P |
| 14:23.22 | thul | Fisker-: mhm |
| 14:23.34 | Fisker- | doesn't know what that means >:3 |
| 14:23.44 | thul | "female law students" |
| 14:23.48 | Fisker- | ah |
| 14:23.53 | Fisker- | that was my guess actually |
| 14:24.03 | Fisker- | But i thought that would've been too stupid to call it that |
| 14:24.05 | Fisker- | guess not >.3 |
| 14:24.06 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 14:24.45 | Fisker- | anyways enjoy your sausagefest, obviously they're just lying to sell moar tickets >:3 |
| 14:25.46 | Fisker- | sup AckisWork |
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| 14:26.41 | Chompers | sausagefest? sounds tasty |
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| 14:26.52 | mitch0 | eh, arcane mages can insta-invi now? |
| 14:27.21 | Pkekyo| | thul: what the flying fuck is Nova? |
| 14:27.23 | thul | Fisker-: well, they have a problem, for starters, the law study has about 65-70% females |
| 14:27.35 | thul | Fisker-: and of those, most girls obviously want to put their party dresses on :-P |
| 14:27.38 | thul | Pkekyo|: domus nova |
| 14:28.08 | Pkekyo| | thul: sier meg fortsatt ikke det steika støv |
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| 14:28.22 | SunTsu | mitch0: Ah, OK, you're right |
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| 14:29.09 | AckisWork | heya Fisker- |
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| 14:31.45 | mjc | I wonder if the beta group tool changes would negate the need for a group scheduling site |
| 14:31.55 | mjc | for PUGs or scheduled 5mans or w/e |
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| 14:32.26 | Megalon | mjc: you mean the new calender thingy? |
| 14:32.33 | mjc | no, LFG |
| 14:32.48 | mjc | well I guess what I'm referring to would be a combination of the two |
| 14:33.09 | mjc | http://pugomatic.com is similar but never got off the ground much |
| 14:33.14 | Megalon | they change the LFG tool? didn't notice a difference on beta |
| 14:33.25 | mjc | oh they didn't change it at all? |
| 14:33.27 | mjc | lol |
| 14:33.34 | Fisker- | I hope they make signups for the calendar tool soon |
| 14:33.36 | Hjalte | When buying a wireless router, for use in a small room, does price (eg. quality) matter much? |
| 14:33.38 | mjc | I only logged in twice heh |
| 14:33.50 | mjc | Fisker-: yeah signups on the calendar tool would negate my idea |
| 14:34.17 | Fisker- | i aim to negate anything and anyone |
| 14:34.18 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 14:34.31 | mjc | Hjalte: a lot of crappy routers have terrible software but spending more doesn't get you better software. you're best off picking something that you can load a third party firmware onto |
| 14:34.51 | mjc | like ddwrt or hyperwrt thibor or (my personal favorite) Tomato |
| 14:35.24 | mjc | routers both wireless and non-wireless are the number one cause of people thinking their ISP sucks |
| 14:35.41 | mjc | (I don't have statistics to back it up, just in my experience as a tech :P ) |
| 14:36.03 | SunTsu | Hjalte: I'd always go for LinkSys which are available for a quite moderate price |
| 14:36.26 | Megalon | mjc: yea, it's the same as on liverealms, didn't notice any difference |
| 14:36.40 | mjc | and there's no signups on the calendar tool? bleh |
| 14:36.48 | Megalon | there are |
| 14:36.57 | Megalon | but those are for the guild |
| 14:37.13 | mjc | yeah, I meant maybe public calendar items or something |
| 14:37.14 | Megalon | or at least i never tried to add nonguildies to events |
| 14:37.33 | mjc | hmm |
| 14:38.21 | mitch0 | is deep freeze any good? |
| 14:39.07 | Megalon | mjc: oh, you can add nonguildies to events on the calender |
| 14:39.18 | Megalon | just tried it, never thought of that before ;) |
| 14:39.44 | mjc | guess an addon to integrate that with LFG would fit the bill better than a site then |
| 14:41.06 | Adirelle|work | the integrated group calendar is a bit bad designed imho |
| 14:41.10 | Megalon | would be nice to have some lists of people where could go with a 'add all'-like thing |
| 14:41.28 | Megalon | because adding 30 chars there by hand takes a while |
| 14:41.40 | Adirelle|work | you can either create "private" events with signups, or guild events without signups |
| 14:42.45 | Adirelle|work | atm the best you can do is : create an event with signups, name some moderator to help you, then create a guild announce to tell to the guildies who they should contact to get invited |
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| 14:43.35 | mjc | yeah, but that definitely fits what I was thinking about making a site for |
| 14:44.14 | Adirelle|work | now an addon that automatically invite all the guildies corresponding to the event criteria could do the trick |
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| 14:58.50 | mitch0 | . |
| 15:00.16 | Adirelle|work | . |
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| 15:03.06 | Pkekyo| | improved life tap or soul siphon first? |
| 15:06.49 | kenlyric | improved rain soul before improved life tap |
| 15:06.54 | kenlyric | *drain |
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| 15:13.57 | Gagorian | what :C |
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| 15:47.44 | ulic | hehe, nice error page on beta.wowace.com, "We're sorry, you've attempted to access a page that decided to jump off its flying mount high over shattrath and forgot to bubble. |
| 15:47.45 | ulic | If you find this message to be in error please notify the administrators." |
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| 15:48.11 | KriLL3 | bah flightform > bubble |
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| 15:54.22 | ckknight | hehe |
| 15:56.58 | KriLL3 | anyone knows wtf your supposed to do against a disc priest and a affliction lock? |
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| 16:08.22 | Zyndrome | www.sonnyradio.com/a380.htm , cheap flight |
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| 16:13.57 | Obelixprime | KriLL3: cry |
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| 16:18.52 | KriLL3 | Obelixprime: I feel more like /dance |
| 16:19.12 | Obelixprime | ooooooooooooooh man |
| 16:19.19 | Obelixprime | I would /flex all over your face |
| 16:19.34 | Obelixprime | you know what sucks |
| 16:19.44 | KriLL3 | black holes |
| 16:20.02 | Obelixprime | well, in addition, i went from a 20" monitor to a 24" monitor and i didn't change my ui around at all |
| 16:20.12 | KriLL3 | ouch |
| 16:20.24 | Obelixprime | I was like "I HAVE ALL THIS ROOM" |
| 16:20.35 | Obelixprime | and i don't know, it just remained the same basically |
| 16:21.40 | KriLL3 | well wow's ui has a set size independent from the res you run it at |
| 16:21.53 | KriLL3 | use UI scale if you want smaller elements |
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| 16:23.59 | Obelixprime | http://colekas.brethren-guild.org/WoWScrnShot_091508_233606.jpg |
| 16:24.05 | Obelixprime | i have the UI scale set |
| 16:24.17 | Obelixprime | and i already had ellipsis and nocts go through this with me before |
| 16:24.29 | Obelixprime | so I know about the redundant dot timers |
| 16:24.48 | Obelixprime | i have that empty chunk in the bottom centre |
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| 16:31.06 | ShaneSveller | Good afternoon, does anyone know if there are any plans to update DrDamage for Wrath? |
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| 16:32.58 | nevcairiel | Gagorian would know that |
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| 16:41.48 | ckknight | so I'm writing a Getting Started page for the new wowace. What should be on it? |
| 16:41.56 | Fisker- | Me |
| 16:42.04 | KriLL3 | useful stuff |
| 16:42.07 | Fisker- | See? I'm somewhat useful |
| 16:42.16 | KriLL3 | that's debatable |
| 16:42.16 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 16:42.24 | Fisker- | it's not my fault i can't read :( |
| 16:42.33 | Fisker- | Thought he wrote what shouldn't be on it :( |
| 16:42.42 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 16:42.43 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 16:42.47 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:44.24 | Fisker- | Anyways in what way are we talking "Getting Started"? |
| 16:44.33 | Fisker- | Getting started as a user or getting started as a developer?` |
| 16:44.46 | ckknight | not sure, might want to make one of each |
| 16:45.21 | Fisker- | Well in the case of the user you may want to put them up to speed on the updater, we all know that's what 90% of the users are here for :P |
| 16:48.11 | mykx | ckknight: may want to explain how the new updater operates and what features you have in place/planned for the future |
| 16:48.28 | ckknight | yea, I'm gonna do a developer-oriented one |
| 16:48.48 | ckknight | I don't deal with the updater, so I'm really not the person to write that one |
| 16:48.52 | KriLL3 | does it work yet? |
| 16:49.00 | ckknight | does what work yet? |
| 16:49.04 | KriLL3 | the updater |
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| 16:49.56 | mykx | KriLL3: I think it's still in production, could be wrong :P |
| 16:50.37 | KriLL3 | something can be still in production but be operational |
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| 16:53.19 | Zyndrome | damn Stalker Clear Sky ... it shouldn't have a weight-limit by default :< |
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| 17:06.45 | KriLL3 | why is the minimap so odd in the beta? |
| 17:07.26 | Stanzilla | mine only has blurry textures |
| 17:07.42 | KriLL3 | same, and most areas have no map or only parts of it |
| 17:07.58 | KriLL3 | while in a town district or square you only get that area surrounded by black |
| 17:08.36 | KriLL3 | "Your Rake ability prevents targets from fleeing" wtf, they made our most useless attack even less useful |
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| 17:09.37 | NivFreak | personally I love having those abilities |
| 17:10.21 | Carancu | rake with the "no fleeing" effect is usefull from time to time. |
| 17:11.02 | KriLL3 | how? |
| 17:11.37 | NivFreak | in this thing call PVE |
| 17:11.43 | NivFreak | I know you've seen it talked about |
| 17:12.08 | KriLL3 | but rake deals almost no dmg, why waste it just to stop a mob from fleeing, something that's good |
| 17:12.37 | NivFreak | so that it doesn't run into another pack and get you killed |
| 17:12.49 | NivFreak | same reason you'd judge justice on mobs |
| 17:13.02 | Carancu | why waste 50% critical hit on FB? No I'm not stealthing between mobs, and they have no way to survive long enough to make use of using rip. |
| 17:13.03 | ulic | or the curse of whatever its from locks |
| 17:13.04 | KriLL3 | errm, you never ever get killed in pve as a druid |
| 17:13.28 | NivFreak | uh huh |
| 17:13.32 | Carancu | then you havn't really played pve, yes, fleeing mobs do get you killed. |
| 17:13.45 | KriLL3 | nature's grasp + travelform = bai bai |
| 17:14.08 | NivFreak | and then your healer dies |
| 17:14.08 | NivFreak | gg |
| 17:14.18 | KriLL3 | oh you grind in groups? |
| 17:14.20 | Carancu | "You are affliced by Daze" |
| 17:14.22 | NivFreak | ... |
| 17:14.44 | NivFreak | this is why I think arenas should exist only on tourney realms |
| 17:14.49 | NivFreak | :) |
| 17:15.10 | NivFreak | you can care about the 4 abilities you want, they can have a different balance system |
| 17:15.24 | KriLL3 | ... the only 2 glyphs I see on the AH related to ferals atm is one that adds one target to swipe and one that adds + healing on you while using frenzied regen, wtf. |
| 17:15.25 | NivFreak | and the rest of us can enjoy a richer level of content and experience |
| 17:15.31 | KriLL3 | is there nothing dmg related? |
| 17:15.44 | NivFreak | mmo-champion knows the answer |
| 17:15.57 | selckin | yes AH has a list of everythig available |
| 17:16.00 | selckin | good logic |
| 17:16.55 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: can't find it there, they only give a short incomplete list on the inscriptions page |
| 17:17.47 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.50 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.52 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.56 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.59 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.02 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.05 | NivFreak | and |
| 17:18.07 | NivFreak | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items=16.11 |
| 17:18.35 | charon | please tell my glyph of the wild is a joke |
| 17:19.00 | NivFreak | charon: nope, but I'm sure it's a minor glyph |
| 17:19.04 | selckin | "hey lets do glyphs those are cool", "damn, so hard to come up with usefull ones" |
| 17:19.21 | Dashkal | Damnit, way too slow. |
| 17:21.03 | Dashkal | huh, I hadn't noticed Glyph of Rake... Wish that existed while leveling before. |
| 17:21.14 | Dashkal | Rake might have actually been useful |
| 17:21.44 | Dashkal | Only thing I ever use that spell for is to annoy rogues in BGs/World PvP |
| 17:22.03 | KriLL3 | I only use it on rogues if my pounce wears of |
| 17:22.13 | charon | Dashkal: the new talents give benefits on bleeding targets |
| 17:22.24 | charon | which would be rake, pounce or lacerate up to now |
| 17:22.29 | charon | so you don't have much of a choice there |
| 17:22.35 | KriLL3 | rip also |
| 17:22.47 | Dashkal | charon: fair enough, but my rotation is to pounce, build points, and rip |
| 17:22.59 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: that's not a viable rotation |
| 17:23.14 | Dashkal | KriLL3: works fine for me... This isn't raiding I'm talking about |
| 17:23.31 | KriLL3 | ferocious bite deals a lot more dmg than rip |
| 17:23.36 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 17:23.40 | Dashkal | Rip ignores armor |
| 17:24.08 | KriLL3 | even so, with talents FB is near 100% crit on bleeding targets |
| 17:24.35 | Dashkal | Rip is a long lasting bleed, they bleed longer. I proceed to shred and mangle when it's down. |
| 17:25.18 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 17:25.19 | Carancu | rip and that +40% ap combined are in my opinion way better than FB (yes, I always forget the name of the ability) |
| 17:25.45 | KriLL3 | Carancu: ? |
| 17:25.50 | KriLL3 | +40 AP? |
| 17:25.56 | Dashkal | I tend to open with pounce or ravage (usually pounce), mangle, shred, shred, rip, repeat. the bleed and mangle stay up continuously. |
| 17:26.03 | Carancu | yes, 40%, in wotlk. |
| 17:26.17 | Carancu | on live, rip do more damage than FB anyway. |
| 17:26.17 | KriLL3 | Carancu: what are you talking about? |
| 17:26.24 | Megalon | savage roar |
| 17:26.27 | Megalon | +40% ap |
| 17:26.43 | KriLL3 | I don't see the point of that finisher |
| 17:26.52 | Carancu | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=52610 |
| 17:26.56 | KriLL3 | druids attacks doesn't scale that well with AP |
| 17:27.02 | KriLL3 | better to do a dmg finisher |
| 17:27.25 | Dashkal | ooo, I like that finisher. That'll be fit in somewhere |
| 17:27.25 | Megalon | well, it was nice when it scaled with iMotW i thinkg ;) |
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| 17:27.53 | KriLL3 | almost impossible to get imp motw |
| 17:27.55 | Dashkal | Every now and then I get a 'free' finisher. Happens when I get a lucky yellow crit streak and rip has plenty of time left |
| 17:28.10 | Carancu | savage roar is insane, I'm still 76 but even for me it brings me over 6.5k ap stable. |
| 17:28.24 | KriLL3 | Carancu: does it matter how much AP you got? |
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| 17:28.47 | Carancu | 40% is quite a fair amount of additional damage. |
| 17:28.49 | KriLL3 | I got a ton more AP & crit than everyone else, I still deal miserable dmg, especially normal hits |
| 17:28.52 | Carancu | 40% ap. |
| 17:29.40 | Dashkal | KriLL3: judging a wotlk AP buff from the perspective of live damage isn't going to give you a good idea. Cats scale better in wotlk |
| 17:30.12 | KriLL3 | I'm a cat in wotlk and I'm not doing noticeably better dmg |
| 17:30.23 | Dashkal | Might wanna rethink that rotation then :p |
| 17:30.40 | mykx | KriLL3: try grouping with a shaman, windfury is effecting droods now right ? |
| 17:30.44 | KriLL3 | our white dmg is still less than 300 |
| 17:30.44 | Dashkal | Seriously, spend some quality time with a DPS mod and a target dummy |
| 17:30.45 | Carancu | it is |
| 17:30.56 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: I can't hit the target dummies |
| 17:30.57 | Carancu | 20% haste, lovely for ooc. |
| 17:31.31 | Dashkal | There are others at lower levels |
| 17:31.49 | Dashkal | The point isn't get an accurate picture of your DPS (which is pointless whiel leveling) but to see relitive changes based on rotation |
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| 17:35.26 | NivFreak | yea, the target dummies are 83 with a boss symbol |
| 17:35.28 | NivFreak | it's odd |
| 17:35.48 | NivFreak | or I guess they could just be 83 :P |
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| 17:41.52 | KriLL3 | ckknight_: any plans on making chinchilla work with LK? |
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| 17:48.48 | Dashkal | This one single change just made my dream of being a blood tank come true: "Pestilence has no target limit. (It still has a radius limit.) Pesilence glyph now increases area. " |
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| 17:50.13 | Dashkal | Now I'm thinking icy/plague/pest/boil/death/runic |
| 17:50.43 | Dotted | Thrae ping |
| 17:56.00 | ckknight_ | KriLL3: yea, I'm gonna get it working |
| 17:59.59 | KriLL3 | omg it's insane that you fall out of the sky if you fly over a town |
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| 18:04.28 | KriLL3 | seems you also get dismounted/removed flight form at random places everywhere |
| 18:05.31 | Dashkal | KriLL3: ItemRack naked set for the win. Seriously. I've got so quick and hitting that button dura thanks to sudden falling out of the sky became a non-issue. Then I just report the spot and move on. |
| 18:06.03 | KriLL3 | I can usually hit flightform again, but it's odd that you're all of a sudden falling |
| 18:06.26 | Dashkal | it definitely sucks. Be warned of the Maker's Engine in Storm Peaks :p |
| 18:06.32 | Dashkal | You either spirit rez or hearth |
| 18:07.07 | NivFreak | I got dismounted flying of the maker's engine in stormpeaks |
| 18:07.16 | NivFreak | and when I released, I was on a spirit mount |
| 18:07.19 | NivFreak | it was awesome |
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| 18:07.37 | Dashkal | The mount is awesome. The problem is you cannot fly out of the engine |
| 18:07.42 | NivFreak | yea |
| 18:07.44 | NivFreak | I had to hearth =/ |
| 18:07.51 | NivFreak | you can't walk out either |
| 18:07.52 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 18:08.02 | Dashkal | Same issue with the two underground areas. The entrances look like irises |
| 18:08.23 | Dashkal | Uldis and Loken's something-or-rather. |
| 18:08.47 | Dashkal | I had to go in there anyway :p Just sucked having to wait an hour between |
| 18:08.50 | Adirelle | hunters' rhino bump is really fun |
| 18:09.29 | Adirelle | I don't see how it will be useful atm but it's damn fun to see all thoses mobs flying |
| 18:09.29 | NivFreak | Tigole - Dalaran coin and fishing achievements will be in an upcoming build (maybe the next build -- we're so many builds ahead of beta at this point I lose track). |
| 18:09.42 | NivFreak | do they release have each build hit beta? |
| 18:09.43 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, if you do decide to check out those spots, make sure to remove all dura-gear. You _will_ die without a slowfall going in |
| 18:09.44 | NivFreak | er |
| 18:09.48 | NivFreak | s/release/really/ |
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| 18:10.23 | Dashkal | NivFreak: nope, but the beta build is usually patch day - 2 days or so |
| 18:10.24 | Groktar | assigns your projects to himself |
| 18:10.33 | Dashkal | according to comments GC made |
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| 18:28.26 | Groktar | s |
| 18:28.26 | Groktar | http://files.rabidwolf.org/images/warcraft/random/rogueman3.jpg |
| 18:28.26 | Groktar | http://files.rabidwolf.org/images/warcraft/random/rogueman2.jpg |
| 18:28.27 | NeoTron | very nice upcoming DK changes |
| 18:28.32 | Groktar | looks |
| 18:28.39 | NeoTron | seems like Dashkal will get his aoe blood tanking wishes |
| 18:28.50 | NeoTron | pestilence having no target limitations, just area |
| 18:29.05 | Groktar | ooooh |
| 18:29.53 | Dashkal | NeoTron: *hops up and down* |
| 18:30.03 | Groktar | not that i plan on playing a dk |
| 18:30.15 | Dashkal | Those changes made me somewhat happy, yes :p |
| 18:31.02 | avleen | hi folks,i was just wondering if people have found serious problems with addons on the PTR? I'd be able to help fx minor issues but probably not big ones :) Was wondering before I try |
| 18:33.52 | Primer | So who here thinks Blizz is going to make that Nov. 13th release date? |
| 18:34.19 | Dashkal | I actually really like the balance they did with aoe tanking. Unholy still has a mild advantage (blood boil is a little more effective for unholy), but blood is perfectly capable of holding some threat on n mobs. |
| 18:34.37 | Dashkal | Primer: I give it good odds. Given progress over the last month, I see no reason why not. |
| 18:35.02 | Primer | Ok |
| 18:35.37 | Primer | Now, presuming the Nov 13th date is realized, how many people think most players will be pissed with all the changes? |
| 18:36.02 | Dashkal | "most" no. "A vocal minority" definitely. |
| 18:36.04 | Primer | and that the game will be extremely unbalanced? |
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| 18:38.06 | Groktar | balance won't matter much for at least a month after release |
| 18:38.08 | Dashkal | I think there'll be flaws that unbalance things, but not so much "extremely". More like the larger playerbase will find things even the small army flooding the PTR will miss. Give it to 3.1 for that |
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| 18:39.03 | Groktar | it looks to me like they're aiming the tuning for naxx to be closer to current karazhan than 2.0 karazhan |
| 18:39.26 | Groktar | and arenas didn't come out for a loooong time in bc |
| 18:40.00 | Primer | Pardon my ignorance, but...Naxx? Are they revamping the existing instance for higher level? |
| 18:40.04 | Primer | I haven't been keeping up |
| 18:40.22 | Dashkal | Naxx flew up to the Dragonblight. It's now the entry level raid dungeon (and Naxx40 is gone) |
| 18:40.41 | Primer | level 70? |
| 18:40.44 | Dashkal | yes. |
| 18:40.46 | Primer | cool |
| 18:40.49 | Primer | 10 man? |
| 18:40.55 | Dashkal | All raids are 10/25 |
| 18:40.58 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956209733&sid=2000&pageNo=9#179 good stuff |
| 18:41.08 | Groktar | ya, just set it to hortic for 25 mans |
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| 18:41.55 | Dashkal | And before you ask, the gear is better in 25 mans. (Soon we'll be talking about being in tier 7.10 or 7.25) |
| 18:43.07 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Full list of DK changes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043224995&sid=2000 |
| 18:43.48 | Groktar | ya, looks like the difference between 10/25 is about half a tier |
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| 18:44.20 | Dashkal | Hell, it might just get easier to say my average ilvl is 350 or some such |
| 18:44.25 | NeoTron | Dashkal: I am aware |
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| 18:44.43 | Groktar | heh, 10 man loot is ilevel 200, iirc |
| 18:44.47 | NeoTron | Groktar: the difference is exactly 1 tier using BC tier differences |
| 18:44.49 | Groktar | 25 is 213 |
| 18:45.00 | NeoTron | which is less, relatively speaking, but same absolute number |
| 18:45.01 | Groktar | thought it was less |
| 18:45.13 | Groktar | isn't ssc/tk 125 and bt/hyjal 141? |
| 18:45.14 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: i wonder where second 10man will be |
| 18:45.17 | NeoTron | 115 -> 129 -> 141 -> 154 |
| 18:45.21 | NeoTron | 200 -> 213 |
| 18:45.24 | Groktar | o |
| 18:45.29 | Dashkal | (Assume for this question that Uldar is tier 8) What I want to know is if Uldar/10 gear will be the same as Naxx/25 |
| 18:45.30 | NeoTron | sorry 128 not 129 |
| 18:45.53 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: guess only time will tell |
| 18:45.55 | Groktar | i'd be down for it being equal |
| 18:46.09 | Groktar | not having to go back and farm people's crap would be nice |
| 18:46.26 | Dashkal | It would work. Just confuses further what tier of gear you're in. I'll try to stick to 7.10 notation. |
| 18:48.34 | NeoTron | so the epic death chicken is so horrible. definitely will not get one for live |
| 18:48.40 | NeoTron | I just made 77 last night and it's so fugly |
| 18:49.25 | Dashkal | Art team? Oh art team... _please_ tell me you have something for us... |
| 18:49.29 | Trell_ | how long, relatively speaking do you think you can rush to 80? |
| 18:49.39 | Primer | I was just about to ask that! |
| 18:49.51 | Primer | Inquiring minds want to know! |
| 18:50.07 | Dashkal | What worries me is that I actually saw reference to it in game text. During the DK start area you were told to take a "skeletal griffin". Made me a touch nervous about it being a placeholder. |
| 18:50.11 | Trell_ | since a few of my guild are planning to level one char to 80 asap, then take their time with other alts, so we can jump straight into 10 man raiding. |
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| 18:51.17 | Dashkal | Feels about the same as BC 60-70 |
| 18:51.46 | Primer | <-- didn't start playing until after BC |
| 18:52.28 | Dashkal | 60-70 took me a month. 70-78 has been the same (though I stopped since I can't catch a break in the lag). |
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| 18:52.38 | Dashkal | Powering it'll be much much faster than that |
| 18:52.46 | Dashkal | I take my time, read quests, see the sights, etc |
| 18:52.55 | Trell_ | lol, screw that |
| 18:52.57 | Trell_ | >P |
| 18:53.00 | Groktar | it looks to be like it's going to take about 6 hours per level |
| 18:53.01 | Dashkal | :p |
| 18:53.06 | Dashkal | I did beta, so I'll power next time |
| 18:53.37 | Groktar | about the same as bc, since the level curve seems very flat from what i saw |
| 18:53.40 | NeoTron | I'd say 5-10 hrs per level |
| 18:53.49 | NeoTron | maybe more in some cases |
| 18:53.52 | Groktar | although i stopped at level 74 |
| 18:54.05 | Groktar | before the latest 10% nerf |
| 18:54.10 | Dashkal | If you know the quests already, use the low end of that estimate. They're pretty straight-forward. |
| 18:54.30 | Dashkal | So with TourGuide you should be golden |
| 18:55.25 | Dashkal | "Swordbreaking and Swordshattering add disarm duration reduction." I'm suddenly really really tempted to put that on my PvP weapon |
| 18:55.27 | Groktar | is tourguide similar to lightheaded? |
| 18:55.47 | Dashkal | Never used it, actually. I just know it directs you from quest to quest for fast completion. |
| 18:56.39 | Trell_ | Tourguide is awesome |
| 18:56.40 | NeoTron | that assumes it'll be available |
| 18:56.45 | Trell_ | use it in conjunction with lightheaded |
| 18:56.46 | NeoTron | but I doubt it will be |
| 18:56.49 | Trell_ | it will be. |
| 18:56.53 | Trell_ | Tekkub has already said it will. |
| 18:57.28 | Dashkal | Aren't the guides already written? I seem to recall conversation about that |
| 18:57.44 | Groktar | are they? |
| 18:57.51 | Trell_ | he said something along the lines of "they won't be publicly available, but if you know where to get them from, you can" |
| 18:57.58 | Trell_ | iirc |
| 18:58.20 | Tekkub | I'm only level 71 |
| 18:58.23 | Tekkub | :P |
| 18:58.39 | Tekkub | and I do have some TGR data from others, but I've not sorted through it |
| 18:58.50 | NeoTron | ^--- that |
| 19:00.18 | Groktar | hates puppies |
| 19:00.18 | Groktar | mt |
| 19:00.38 | Fisker- | slaps Groktar around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:20.13 | Groktar | fucking touchpad |
| 19:20.15 | Groktar | holy shit |
| 19:20.26 | nocts|work | http://lh4.ggpht.com/abramsv/SMtz_mVCB4I/AAAAAAAAeZs/nOZsVZrWhKE/s720/80149878.jpg |
| 19:20.44 | Groktar | i had a long post typed out and then i somehow went back a page |
| 19:20.55 | Groktar | and when i hit forward the post had gone |
| 19:22.13 | Dashkal | Groktar: those navigation buttons are the first thing I kill when configuring the touchpad... |
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| 19:23.11 | Groktar | :/ |
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| 19:25.21 | KriLL3 | "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.wow-europe.com" ... |
| 19:28.37 | cladhaire | (forwarding the idea) Let's rickroll MTV Europe Music Awards: nominate Rick Astley as the best Act at the bottom of http://ema.mtv.co.uk/vote/#_ |
| 19:29.38 | Kulaar | ok |
| 19:38.35 | NeoTron | nocts|work: First bear says to the second: "please bear with me, this is hard work" |
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| 19:39.59 | nocts|work | NeoTron: heh |
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| 19:56.03 | NivFreak | Primer: I think that blizzard will release on 11/13, and it will be broken as shit |
| 19:57.10 | nocts|work | I has an excitement about wotlk. |
| 19:57.15 | nocts|work | I'm actually going to buy the collectors edition. |
| 19:57.31 | Primer | NivFreak: I agreed |
| 19:57.36 | Primer | s/d// |
| 19:58.25 | KriLL3 | I'm cautiously hopeful, I was giddy until the berserk nerf. |
| 19:58.52 | nocts|work | What beserk nerf? |
| 19:59.02 | KriLL3 | you don't know? |
| 19:59.13 | nocts|work | I didn't spec blizzard changelogs. |
| 19:59.18 | KriLL3 | they removed the CC remove & immunity, it's just fear now |
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| 19:59.25 | nocts|work | Filtered at work until I find a website dedicated to just showing me blue posts about the changes. |
| 19:59.29 | nocts|work | LOL |
| 19:59.30 | KriLL3 | use it and you're stunned/snared |
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| 19:59.54 | KriLL3 | or asleep, love you restos... |
| 19:59.55 | nocts|work | What's even the point as PvPing as a warrior now? |
| 20:00.03 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 20:00.27 | nocts|work | I'm talking about warrior's beserk, what are you talking about? |
| 20:00.29 | KriLL3 | you're upset we can remove your AoE fear? |
| 20:00.31 | NivFreak | I destroyed a +1 DK last night |
| 20:00.33 | NivFreak | as fury |
| 20:00.36 | NivFreak | 70% health left |
| 20:00.38 | nocts|work | I'm not a Warrior, I'm thrilled about it. |
| 20:00.42 | NivFreak | he even did his little ghoul rez thing |
| 20:00.42 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: berserk is a feral talent |
| 20:00.44 | NeoTron | DK's are a bit meh atm |
| 20:00.47 | nocts|work | KriLL3: Oh. |
| 20:01.12 | nocts|work | Isn't berserk a warrior stance? |
| 20:01.20 | nevcairiel | berserker stance |
| 20:01.22 | KriLL3 | no idea |
| 20:01.26 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/ ? |
| 20:01.31 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 20:01.52 | KriLL3 | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=50334 |
| 20:01.59 | NivFreak | I love the amount of misinformation people trying to spread about the TG nerf on the forums |
| 20:02.04 | NivFreak | they've very clearly not tried it |
| 20:02.15 | nocts|work | OMG THAT WEBSITE WINS MY HEART |
| 20:02.20 | KriLL3 | TG? |
| 20:02.25 | NivFreak | titan's grip |
| 20:02.37 | NivFreak | 2x2H weapons |
| 20:02.46 | NivFreak | it's brutal |
| 20:03.08 | KriLL3 | I know what titan's grip is, I just don't know the acronyms |
| 20:03.19 | nocts|work | "- Stormstrike - New animation, also now increases all Fire, Frost and Nature damage done by the Shaman instead of just Nature. " oh snap |
| 20:03.31 | KriLL3 | ohnoes |
| 20:05.15 | NeoTron | is stormstrike shaman only buff now? |
| 20:05.18 | Megalon | nocts|work: "done by the shaman" :( |
| 20:05.20 | Megalon | yes |
| 20:05.30 | Megalon | it gets changed to a Haunt-like debuff |
| 20:05.34 | NeoTron | well |
| 20:05.42 | nocts|work | Oh snap O.o |
| 20:05.42 | Megalon | no fancy wrath crits |
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| 20:05.43 | NeoTron | imp SB, shadowweaving |
| 20:05.44 | Megalon | :( |
| 20:05.54 | nocts|work | My boomkin friends are going to hate me |
| 20:06.15 | NeoTron | I think boomkins will be too giddy to hate anything |
| 20:06.26 | nocts|work | lol |
| 20:06.29 | KriLL3 | that cone knockback is insane |
| 20:06.46 | Megalon | insane in which way? |
| 20:06.52 | Megalon | it needs to get fixed |
| 20:06.58 | Megalon | as instant damage should be instant |
| 20:07.11 | Megalon | and not when the animation is finished |
| 20:07.18 | Megalon | and then another 0.5s for the knochback to happen |
| 20:07.45 | KriLL3 | isn't it a spammable interrupt? |
| 20:08.02 | Megalon | if you consider a 20s cooldown spammable |
| 20:08.50 | Megalon | and you won't interrupt anything that hasn't a 2s+ casttime |
| 20:09.15 | Megalon | the time you cast typhoon and the time when the knockback/interrupt happens |
| 20:09.19 | KriLL3 | better than ferals, we don't have a single interrupt |
| 20:09.26 | Megalon | are 1.0s apart at least |
| 20:09.26 | Gngsk | ... |
| 20:09.34 | Gngsk | cause feral charge doesn't interrupt |
| 20:09.40 | NivFreak | KriLL3: didn't you just get an interrupt on maim or something? |
| 20:09.45 | KriLL3 | you need distance and you need bearform |
| 20:09.53 | Gngsk | well, it's a feral interrupt |
| 20:09.57 | Gngsk | don't say you don't have one, cause you do |
| 20:09.58 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: it's a disorient, yay it interrupts... wtf? |
| 20:10.05 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 20:10.09 | NivFreak | KriLL3: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=49802 |
| 20:10.16 | NivFreak | The victim's spellcasting is also interrupted for 3 sec. |
| 20:10.22 | KriLL3 | Gngsk: yes first you need to switch to bearform, then you need to get distance to use it |
| 20:10.30 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: utterly pointless |
| 20:10.31 | nocts|work | Where a list of glyphs? |
| 20:10.44 | KriLL3 | and it was part of the pvp item's set bonuses anyway before |
| 20:10.51 | NivFreak | ... |
| 20:10.55 | NivFreak | < KriLL3> better than ferals, we don't have a single interrupt |
| 20:10.59 | nocts|work | That technically makes it an interrupt |
| 20:11.01 | NivFreak | < KriLL3> better than ferals, we don't have a single interrupt |
| 20:11.02 | NivFreak | < KriLL3> better than ferals, we don't have a single interrupt |
| 20:11.02 | NivFreak | < KriLL3> better than ferals, we don't have a single interrupt |
| 20:11.05 | KriLL3 | it's pointless since maim lasts longer than that unless you're really nuking with multiple dps |
| 20:11.05 | Gngsk | hahaha |
| 20:11.08 | nocts|work | Actually, that technically makes it a silence, too. |
| 20:11.10 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: IT'S A FINISHER |
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| 20:11.17 | NivFreak | so? |
| 20:11.18 | NivFreak | < KriLL3> better than ferals, we don't have a single interrupt |
| 20:11.19 | nocts|work | And? |
| 20:11.24 | nocts|work | Rogues use gouge to stop spells. |
| 20:11.27 | Groktar | i just tabbed back into chat to see KriLL3 bitching about feral |
| 20:11.28 | Gngsk | KriLL3, just say "better than ferals, we don't have kick" |
| 20:11.29 | Groktar | i'm shocked |
| 20:11.37 | nocts|work | What's more important, stopping the spell or OMG FINISHAR ONLY |
| 20:11.46 | KriLL3 | you can't use it on anything other than your current target unless you got enough energy to first do an attack first |
| 20:11.55 | KriLL3 | Gngsk: we don't have stuns either |
| 20:12.01 | nocts|work | O.o |
| 20:12.05 | nocts|work | Now I know you're drunk. |
| 20:12.11 | KriLL3 | we don't |
| 20:12.19 | KriLL3 | we got pounce once a fight, and that's it |
| 20:12.24 | nocts|work | So you have a stun? |
| 20:12.31 | Gngsk | you're not a rogue, you don't sit in cat form the entire time |
| 20:12.37 | Gngsk | you can switch forms, so do it |
| 20:12.39 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 20:12.47 | nocts|work | This phrase, "don't have". You keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 20:12.51 | KriLL3 | yes, in the same way boomkins have a stun on starfire crit, whop-de-****ing-do |
| 20:12.52 | Dashkal | If you're not shapedancing, you're doing it wrong... |
| 20:12.55 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 20:13.15 | KriLL3 | Gngsk: a druid can only buy time in bearform, it's not something you use without paying dearly for it |
| 20:13.39 | nocts|work | >>Where a list of glyphs?<< |
| 20:13.43 | nocts|work | *is |
| 20:13.43 | KriLL3 | and with our significantly smaller mana pool it's not an option to shift all the time |
| 20:13.46 | nocts|work | >>*is<< |
| 20:13.48 | NivFreak | KriLL3: I think the real answer is, re-roll rogue |
| 20:13.54 | nevcairiel | nocts|work: wowhead? =P |
| 20:14.02 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: Oh? They have it already? |
| 20:14.05 | nocts|work | licks nevcairiel |
| 20:14.07 | nevcairiel | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/ has a glyphs category |
| 20:14.10 | Dashkal | nocts|work: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items=16 |
| 20:14.11 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: mmo-champion has several lists each patch, but for some reason hasn't seen fit to compile em |
| 20:14.19 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: it's almost empty |
| 20:14.32 | nevcairiel | it has all glyphs that are in game already |
| 20:14.37 | Bibi | yeah |
| 20:14.37 | nevcairiel | not the ones that were announced |
| 20:14.41 | Bibi | those mmo-champion guys are retarded |
| 20:14.47 | Bibi | not even updating their pages |
| 20:14.50 | KriLL3 | well only a fraction are ingame, so that list isn't very interesting |
| 20:14.54 | Gngsk | Bibi, I agree wor is much better! |
| 20:15.00 | Bibi | definitely. |
| 20:15.07 | Gngsk | Hi Teza ! |
| 20:15.08 | KriLL3 | wor? |
| 20:15.18 | Bibi | worldofraids |
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| 20:15.26 | Bibi | that's the site used to proof-read mmo-champion news |
| 20:15.32 | nocts|work | These are nummy |
| 20:15.34 | Bibi | they check them for 30 minutes, and then post them. |
| 20:15.50 | Pkekyo| | PANTS! |
| 20:16.01 | KriLL3 | Pkekyo|: LIES! |
| 20:16.09 | nocts|work | Huh? I thought we were getting ghostwolf glyphs too |
| 20:16.17 | KriLL3 | why? |
| 20:16.23 | Pkekyo| | KriLL3: TRUTH! |
| 20:16.43 | KriLL3 | you don't spend 90% of your time looking at a model you've had since level 10/20 |
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| 20:16.58 | NivFreak | KriLL3: re-roll rogue |
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| 20:17.11 | NeoTron | Bibi: lol |
| 20:17.56 | [SW]Dodge | any idea how i can find wich email address i'm using for my curse acc xD? |
| 20:18.09 | nevcairiel | Bibi: but its right, the class pages could use a sub-page with the glyphs :) |
| 20:18.31 | Bibi | nevcairiel : and a bunch of other sub pages actually |
| 20:18.42 | Bibi | but class pages are the only pages running the "old" version of my articles |
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| 20:18.52 | Bibi | which means that I have to manually edit 90 pages every time I want to change something |
| 20:18.55 | Bibi | = not gonna happen |
| 20:19.37 | nevcairiel | upgrade to the "new"? :D |
| 20:20.36 | NivFreak | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043165397-upcoming-change-blizzard-eventcollectors-e.html |
| 20:20.50 | Dashkal | Bibi: Any change for a "Blue Count" field on the blue tracker? |
| 20:20.53 | Dashkal | chance* |
| 20:20.56 | Bibi | nevcairiel : takes time. |
| 20:20.58 | Bibi | Dashkal : explain ? |
| 20:21.20 | Dashkal | Bibi: A column in the list view showing how many blue posts in that thread. Useful for noticing when the newest item in the list got another post |
| 20:21.57 | Bibi | hmmmmmm, will think about it ! |
| 20:22.01 | Dashkal | danke |
| 20:22.21 | dodga | hm |
| 20:22.39 | dodga | So pet items that are learned to not disappear afterwards? |
| 20:23.14 | nevcairiel | thats a bug right now |
| 20:23.15 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 20:23.15 | Dashkal | Looks like. At least for the collector's ed ones (since you can't get them any other way). |
| 20:23.32 | dodga | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043165397&sid=2000 |
| 20:23.38 | NivFreak | on beta |
| 20:23.40 | NivFreak | none of mine did |
| 20:23.46 | NivFreak | I had to destroy them |
| 20:23.47 | NivFreak | mounts too |
| 20:23.50 | Groktar | skeet skeet skeet |
| 20:23.54 | dodga | It doesn't say that non-bound items will become bound |
| 20:24.03 | dodga | that would be teh roxxorness |
| 20:24.10 | nevcairiel | items disappear when you use them |
| 20:24.11 | KriLL3 | so you do the quest to get the collector's pet on multiple characters and send em all to your main, or what? why not just allow us to repeat the quest or pick all... |
| 20:24.14 | nevcairiel | its a bug that they dont right now |
| 20:24.16 | dodga | nevcairiel: Read the link? |
| 20:24.22 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: read the blue post :) |
| 20:24.23 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: it wouldn't be the first bug they decided to just leave (Master of Ghouls) |
| 20:24.54 | nevcairiel | well it works for mounts too right now |
| 20:24.57 | nevcairiel | which is just stupid |
| 20:25.14 | NivFreak | I'm in favor of it |
| 20:25.15 | NivFreak | :P |
| 20:25.19 | Dashkal | It is. My death chicken stayed on me. But report it and it'll prolly get fixed for those. |
| 20:25.24 | NivFreak | I wish I could use my rocket on more than just one toon |
| 20:25.48 | NivFreak | I also wish I could link my accounts =/ |
| 20:25.48 | dodga | hm, if that makes it to live all my toons would have 15+ pets :D |
| 20:25.52 | Dashkal | Things like that one should be transferable. Might wanna freq that and see if they'll make it account bound. |
| 20:26.00 | NivFreak | Dashkal: I did |
| 20:26.03 | NivFreak | in that thread |
| 20:26.07 | Dashkal | nice |
| 20:26.17 | nevcairiel | is that only for those special pets, or for all pets? |
| 20:26.26 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: CE pets and blizzcon stuff |
| 20:26.27 | NivFreak | so far |
| 20:26.51 | NivFreak | I wish we had armory for beta :) |
| 20:27.37 | Dashkal | ok, food time |
| 20:29.20 | Fisker- | i was first dodga |
| 20:29.31 | dodga | fisker u fisker! |
| 20:31.29 | Obelixprime | i was reading the ui& macro forum and if I'm reading it correctly you're going to be able to find out your exact threat to a mob? |
| 20:32.14 | dodga | as exact as blizz is going to tell you :o |
| 20:32.29 | Obelixprime | well, the UnitDetailedThreatSituation dealie |
| 20:32.39 | Obelixprime | i was always curious how omen figured how much threat I had.. |
| 20:32.54 | Obelixprime | I was under the assumption that it had a table of modifiers for certain spells and abilities |
| 20:32.57 | Antiarc | Lots and lots of math :P |
| 20:32.59 | Antiarc | Yes, more or less. |
| 20:33.03 | dodga | Obelixprime: Kinda |
| 20:33.20 | Antiarc | Compute your modifiers given your buffs, debuffs, gear, and talents |
| 20:33.29 | Antiarc | Then you have a table of modifiers and flat values for spells and abilities |
| 20:33.35 | NeoTron | Has there been any work on Omen for LK ? |
| 20:33.41 | Obelixprime | like if tank is in stance A and casts shield slam and hits the mob for xxx dmg, that equals 1000 threat |
| 20:33.47 | Antiarc | Not really. I'm wanting to see what they do with their internal threat stuff |
| 20:33.55 | Obelixprime | UnitDetailedThreatSituation |
| 20:33.58 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 20:34.02 | KriLL3 | errm why is the PTR saying I don't have WoTLK data? I got live, beta and PTR installed |
| 20:34.05 | Antiarc | It's good stuff, but a ltitle sparse |
| 20:34.05 | NeoTron | running low on time! |
| 20:34.08 | Obelixprime | that method looks like anyone could make a threat meter |
| 20:34.12 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 20:34.20 | Antiarc | Threat meters are just going to be GUIs now |
| 20:34.20 | NeoTron | doesn't want to use DTM. |
| 20:34.25 | Antiarc | MAybe some interpolation |
| 20:34.32 | NeoTron | DTM seems to work |
| 20:34.47 | NeoTron | but only used it in a group quest |
| 20:34.48 | Antiarc | I'll write a sexy Ace3 threat GUI eventually :P |
| 20:34.55 | Antiarc | How's its update speed? |
| 20:35.01 | Obelixprime | interpolation to avoid querying the system every second? |
| 20:35.06 | Antiarc | No, you can't query |
| 20:35.11 | Obelixprime | or update |
| 20:35.13 | Antiarc | It only gives you updates when you pass certain thresholds |
| 20:35.16 | Antiarc | Like 70%, 80%, etc |
| 20:35.28 | Obelixprime | isTanking, state, scaledPercent, rawPercent, threatValue = UnitDetailedThreatSituation(unit, mob) |
| 20:35.31 | Antiarc | So, your threat is "static" and then jumps to the next threshold on the Blizzard meter |
| 20:35.40 | Obelixprime | couldn't i just keep on calling that method and checking my raw percent? |
| 20:35.44 | Antiarc | Yes, I know, I was on it about 30 seconds after it made it into the beta builds :P |
| 20:35.44 | Obelixprime | on every update? |
| 20:35.51 | KriLL3 | why is the PTR saying I don't have WoTLK data? I got live, beta and PTR installed |
| 20:35.51 | Antiarc | No, because those values aren't updated constantly. |
| 20:35.55 | Obelixprime | oooooh |
| 20:35.56 | Obelixprime | ok |
| 20:36.06 | Antiarc | Updates are only sent to the client when you pass a certain percentage threat in relation to group memebers |
| 20:36.21 | Antiarc | So you can call that every frame but the numbers aren't going to change until you pass another threshold |
| 20:36.46 | Antiarc | Live data apparently uses too much bandwidth for Blizzard to be wanting to be passing it around constantly |
| 20:36.58 | Antiarc | I'm not happy with the quantitized system, but it'll do. |
| 20:37.20 | NivFreak | but don't you get static threat stats back? |
| 20:37.22 | Obelixprime | wouldn't even making that call take up the bandwidth? |
| 20:37.28 | Antiarc | No |
| 20:37.35 | Antiarc | The call just reads a value that has been pushed to the client |
| 20:37.38 | Antiarc | It doesn't query the server |
| 20:37.40 | Obelixprime | ooooh |
| 20:37.53 | Obelixprime | neat |
| 20:38.02 | NivFreak | is there a max time between updates? |
| 20:38.03 | Obelixprime | yeah, so interpolation would be good i suppose |
| 20:38.18 | Antiarc | No max time, it's dependent entirely on those thresholds |
| 20:38.34 | NivFreak | I'm not sure how diamondthreameter is estimating my TPS then |
| 20:38.35 | NivFreak | :P |
| 20:38.49 | Antiarc | I'll have to check it out to see if they're running 2.0-style threat calcs |
| 20:38.53 | NivFreak | they are |
| 20:38.56 | NivFreak | well |
| 20:38.56 | Antiarc | (which seems INSANE with the class rebalancing that's going on) |
| 20:38.59 | NivFreak | they CLAIM to be |
| 20:39.02 | NivFreak | er |
| 20:39.03 | NivFreak | sorry |
| 20:39.09 | Antiarc | Meh, code review would verify that easily :) |
| 20:39.10 | NivFreak | I have it set to native mode |
| 20:39.21 | NivFreak | which they claim gets values from the new API |
| 20:39.28 | NivFreak | but it's been very accurate for me |
| 20:39.34 | NivFreak | people pull right when it indicates they will |
| 20:39.42 | Antiarc | Well, it will be because you can assume authoritative threat when you get an update from the server |
| 20:39.47 | NivFreak | and it sure seems to be updating a lot faster than when someone crosses that threshold |
| 20:39.47 | Antiarc | And you get updates right before you pull aggro |
| 20:40.07 | Antiarc | So, a combo of estimation and re-synching when you get server values produces a "close enough" meter |
| 20:40.38 | NivFreak | honestly, I'll be really disappointed if we lose that much ganularity |
| 20:40.42 | NivFreak | granularity |
| 20:40.48 | NivFreak | I know that's what's been disclosed |
| 20:40.59 | Antiarc | Well, they're simplifying threat calcs in general |
| 20:41.06 | Antiarc | They're getting rid of salv and +threat bonus talents |
| 20:41.15 | Antiarc | Threat calcs are moving to be much more damage-driven now |
| 20:41.23 | Antiarc | So estimation in theory -may- be easier |
| 20:41.34 | NivFreak | sure, but sunder/devastate still have static threat |
| 20:41.37 | KriLL3 | they nerfed the threat of swipe, yay |
| 20:41.48 | Antiarc | Sunder scales with AP, I believe |
| 20:41.50 | KriLL3 | now druids are even worse aoe tankers |
| 20:42.06 | Antiarc | Sunders the target's armor, reducing it by 785 per Sunder Armor and causes a high amount of threat. Â Threat increased by attack power. Â Can be applied up to 5 times. |
| 20:42.27 | NivFreak | Antiarc: it does as scale with AP, but it has a static threat element as well |
| 20:42.33 | NivFreak | or so blue says |
| 20:42.35 | Antiarc | Well, yes |
| 20:42.47 | NivFreak | most of our abilities lost that |
| 20:42.48 | Antiarc | "and causes a high amount of threat" generally means a base threat bonus |
| 20:42.53 | NivFreak | yes :P |
| 20:43.16 | NivFreak | my threat is pretty amazing if DTM is to be believed |
| 20:43.23 | NivFreak | and I buy it |
| 20:43.41 | Antiarc | No reason not to, it's getting authoritative values from the server |
| 20:43.45 | Antiarc | Also, paladin? |
| 20:43.48 | NivFreak | warrior |
| 20:43.54 | Antiarc | Huh, cool. |
| 20:43.55 | NivFreak | haven't copied my prot pally |
| 20:43.58 | Antiarc | Paladins were putting out insane threat before |
| 20:44.02 | Antiarc | When the rogue poison bug was live |
| 20:44.02 | NivFreak | I'm sustaining numbers upward of 3000TPS |
| 20:44.08 | Antiarc | I couldn't pull aggro off of a paladin tank |
| 20:44.14 | Antiarc | Despite doing 5k DPS |
| 20:44.25 | NivFreak | I figured that the 35% modifier added to dstance probably accounts for getting me to 2000TPS |
| 20:44.34 | NivFreak | but still, that's like a 50% threat increase |
| 20:44.46 | NivFreak | and it's amazing to be able to kill non-elites while tanking |
| 20:44.50 | NivFreak | with shockwave no less |
| 20:45.07 | NivFreak | Antiarc: it's insane on the lvl 80 premades in pvp gear |
| 20:45.16 | Antiarc | Hehe, I have no doubt |
| 20:45.23 | Antiarc | Things are severely out of whack right now |
| 20:45.28 | NivFreak | my paladin would still be 70 in t4/za gear |
| 20:45.30 | NivFreak | so not a great test |
| 20:45.34 | NivFreak | my warrior is 5/8 t6 |
| 20:45.36 | Antiarc | Which is a lot of the reason that I haven't wanted to write an estimation backend |
| 20:45.42 | Antiarc | SO MANY things are going to change before it goes live |
| 20:45.49 | Antiarc | It strikes me as an exercise in futility |
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| 20:45.58 | NivFreak | I would just love to have the omen front end pulling info straight from the API |
| 20:46.17 | Antiarc | Which is very easy |
| 20:46.18 | NivFreak | DTM does have one interesting second window for me |
| 20:46.28 | NivFreak | but it doesn't work well in beta |
| 20:46.33 | NivFreak | it shows me all targets that I have threat on |
| 20:46.40 | NivFreak | who is next in threat, and what the gap is |
| 20:47.02 | NivFreak | it's pretty useful in theory, but it doesn't seem to do a good job staying in sync |
| 20:47.09 | NivFreak | until I retarget myself |
| 20:47.31 | NivFreak | it's very close to that tank mode we were talking about |
| 20:47.32 | NivFreak | when 2.4 hi |
| 20:47.33 | NivFreak | hit |
| 20:47.38 | Groktar | is there any reason threat 2.0 wouldn't still "work" in wotlk? ie, calculate threat and pass it to others, even though it wouldn't be remotely close? |
| 20:48.04 | NivFreak | Groktar: all of the threat modifiers have been tossed, damage has been scaled, we get built in threat modifiers that are new etc |
| 20:48.16 | Groktar | yes, that wasn't what i was getting it |
| 20:48.28 | Groktar | *getting at |
| 20:48.40 | Groktar | but the framework of it |
| 20:48.43 | Antiarc | Many of the basic assumptions of threat calcs have changed |
| 20:48.46 | Groktar | still valid for wotlk? |
| 20:48.47 | Antiarc | The framework would work, yes |
| 20:48.50 | Groktar | ok |
| 20:49.25 | Groktar | would be nice not having to scan talent trees anymore |
| 20:49.53 | Antiarc | That won't change |
| 20:49.54 | nocts|work | http://www.lewr.com/engineer/ |
| 20:50.01 | Antiarc | There are still many threat-modifying talents |
| 20:50.09 | Groktar | oh? |
| 20:50.22 | Antiarc | Sure, shamans, mages, fury warriors, healers |
| 20:50.22 | Groktar | i've really only paid attention to warriors |
| 20:50.26 | Antiarc | All have -threat talents |
| 20:50.28 | Groktar | ah, duh |
| 20:50.29 | Obelixprime | priests |
| 20:50.34 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/9956327730-bug-sneeds-shredder.html |
| 20:50.34 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 20:50.40 | nevcairiel | someone ran deadmines on ptr? |
| 20:50.53 | Antiarc | hahaha |
| 20:50.57 | Antiarc | Oh, that reminds me |
| 20:50.57 | Bibi | SRS TESTING. |
| 20:51.04 | Bibi | Antiarc, fix Chatter |
| 20:51.04 | Groktar | i almost did deadmines on ptr |
| 20:51.05 | Antiarc | I should spec Unfair Advantage and run a lowbie instance |
| 20:51.07 | Antiarc | It'll be hilarious |
| 20:51.10 | Antiarc | Bibi: What about Chatter |
| 20:51.17 | Groktar | i wanted to gather up all the mobs in the entire instance |
| 20:51.19 | Groktar | and shockwave them |
| 20:51.20 | Bibi | I don't know, it doesn't work with all my custom and strange mods |
| 20:51.25 | Bibi | that I can't give you. |
| 20:51.26 | Antiarc | Live, PTR, beta? |
| 20:51.28 | Bibi | but it needs to be fixed |
| 20:51.29 | Bibi | beta ! |
| 20:51.36 | Antiarc | Define "doesn't work" |
| 20:51.43 | Groktar | chatter works for me |
| 20:51.46 | Groktar | in beta and ptr |
| 20:51.46 | Antiarc | Works for me too |
| 20:51.47 | Bibi | contrary of "it works" |
| 20:51.52 | Antiarc | Are you using the wotlk branch? |
| 20:51.55 | nevcairiel | chat code didnt really change that much |
| 20:51.55 | Bibi | yeah |
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| 20:52.03 | Bibi | (nah seriously, it's just my fault, I'm just being french here) |
| 20:52.09 | Groktar | ew |
| 20:52.11 | Bibi | (+ I can bug anything on earth) |
| 20:52.14 | Antiarc | It works fine for me there, so I'm tempted to cite "your special mods are hooking something improperly" :P |
| 20:52.15 | NivFreak | god I fear leveling weapon skills again |
| 20:52.15 | Groktar | shoos Bibi away |
| 20:52.16 | Antiarc | Haha |
| 20:52.18 | NivFreak | without my dark portal mobs |
| 20:52.19 | Antiarc | Dear Bibi |
| 20:52.22 | Antiarc | Less French plz. |
| 20:52.24 | Antiarc | kthx. |
| 20:52.26 | Bibi | :( |
| 20:52.28 | Antiarc | <3 |
| 20:52.33 | Bibi | but being french is basically all I do ! |
| 20:52.49 | Antiarc | Is the space before the ! a european thing? |
| 20:52.53 | Antiarc | I've been meaning to ask that for ages |
| 20:53.00 | Bibi | oh, I had a discussion with someone about that |
| 20:53.05 | Bibi | and it looks like it's not shocking in France |
| 20:53.09 | Bibi | so, yeah, probably ! |
| 20:53.13 | Antiarc | I see it from time to time, not just from you |
| 20:53.15 | Antiarc | Which is why I asked |
| 20:53.20 | NeoTron | NivFreak: question is.. do the mobs in outlands work? |
| 20:53.24 | Bibi | french people are all over the world |
| 20:53.35 | NivFreak | NeoTron: ohhh, the ones in SMV? |
| 20:53.37 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 20:53.41 | NivFreak | good question |
| 20:53.44 | NivFreak | I bet no though |
| 20:53.51 | NeoTron | I've used them on my pally now |
| 20:53.58 | NeoTron | but... we want this fun mechanic in the wild |
| 20:54.03 | NivFreak | I'm actually trying to remember which mobs those were... |
| 20:54.05 | NeoTron | becuse it is amazingly fun to level weapon skills |
| 20:54.19 | NivFreak | NeoTron: they should at least make it so you can level off hitting other players |
| 20:54.23 | NeoTron | and according to Eyonix, devs like to take the path of least resistance! |
| 20:54.41 | NeoTron | do you level off banished mobs I wonder (by a warlock) |
| 20:54.48 | NivFreak | doubt it |
| 20:55.06 | NivFreak | but leveling slow weapons sucks ass |
| 20:55.09 | NivFreak | at least now I can DW them |
| 20:55.12 | Groktar | yep |
| 20:55.23 | Groktar | i levelled as fury in bc |
| 20:55.24 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9956309056-servant-of-xxxx.html "The path of least resistance will always remain popular, no matter the issue or topic at hand." |
| 20:55.28 | NivFreak | I just want to know why casters don't have weapon skill that affects thier casting +hit |
| 20:55.31 | NivFreak | :) |
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| 20:55.49 | NeoTron | someone commented on how yes, indeed, the devs are taking the path of least resistance here leaving this boring and annoying mechanic untouched |
| 20:55.57 | NeoTron | NivFreak: they used to |
| 20:56.06 | NivFreak | in what, beta? |
| 20:56.07 | NivFreak | ;P |
| 20:56.09 | NeoTron | NivFreak: back in beta a mage, for example, had arcane/fire/frost skills that needed leveling |
| 20:56.23 | NeoTron | Jan/feb 2004 or so |
| 20:56.25 | NeoTron | rather |
| 20:56.30 | Bibi | Weapon skill is the most useless thing on earth. |
| 20:56.31 | Bibi | seriously. |
| 20:56.33 | Groktar | just need to be able to increase your skill by a larger amount when it's really low |
| 20:56.33 | NeoTron | F&F alpha, undead push |
| 20:56.44 | NivFreak | I mean really, I don't mind grinding |
| 20:56.49 | NeoTron | the main issue is it's so slow |
| 20:56.50 | NivFreak | I'm exalted with every reasonable faction |
| 20:56.56 | NeoTron | and you can't do anything until it's reasonbly high |
| 20:56.59 | NivFreak | I was one of the first tanks on my server keyed for every heroic |
| 20:57.03 | Groktar | jump up by 5 points instead of 1 when you're level 70 and have 300 2h axes |
| 20:57.07 | NivFreak | but weapon skill makes me want to pull my eyeballs out |
| 20:57.14 | NeoTron | the main issue to me Groktar is later skills |
| 20:57.20 | NivFreak | if it was a linear skill, I'd be fine with it |
| 20:57.27 | NeoTron | i.e the 340 to 350 taking as long as 280-340 |
| 20:57.31 | NivFreak | but the fact that I can spend 1.5 hours on a mob in blasted lands |
| 20:57.34 | NivFreak | to get 349->350 |
| 20:57.37 | NivFreak | is fucking insane |
| 20:57.43 | NeoTron | that last point is like broken |
| 20:57.47 | Groktar | i usually give up around 345 |
| 20:57.53 | Groktar | and just get it in the raid |
| 20:57.53 | NivFreak | on my pally it's a joke |
| 20:57.55 | NeoTron | back when humans got +wpn skill you leveled that last point fast |
| 20:57.56 | NivFreak | I judge light |
| 20:58.01 | NivFreak | and come back before my shield breaks |
| 20:58.03 | NivFreak | or weapon |
| 20:58.26 | NivFreak | NeoTron: which mobs are they in SMV again? |
| 20:58.27 | NivFreak | the boars? |
| 20:58.39 | NivFreak | I really don't remember anymore |
| 20:58.41 | NivFreak | never had a reason to |
| 20:58.42 | NeoTron | NivFreak: broken ones or whatever, with the 3 totems |
| 20:58.46 | NivFreak | ohhh |
| 20:58.53 | NivFreak | down by the alter of shadows? |
| 20:58.55 | NeoTron | one for each element |
| 20:58.57 | NeoTron | one is there |
| 20:59.03 | NeoTron | one is near the volcano |
| 20:59.11 | NeoTron | one is by the water elementals/nagas |
| 20:59.19 | NivFreak | so two farming spots |
| 20:59.20 | NivFreak | :) |
| 20:59.35 | NeoTron | I've been doing the one by the altar |
| 20:59.42 | NeoTron | there are only two random mobs that spawn near him |
| 20:59.51 | NivFreak | yea |
| 20:59.53 | NivFreak | the air elementals |
| 21:00.02 | NivFreak | but I'm on a pvp server, and that's a hot farming spot |
| 21:00.03 | NivFreak | so no afk |
| 21:01.04 | NeoTron | can't really afk anyway |
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| 21:07.48 | NivFreak | tigole told me no =( |
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| 21:09.07 | NeoTron | what? |
| 21:09.22 | NivFreak | TCG Pets/mounts will not become account bound =( |
| 21:09.47 | Dashkal | ewww, sucky |
| 21:09.52 | NivFreak | I want more rockets |
| 21:09.53 | NivFreak | =( |
| 21:10.25 | Dashkal | meh. oh well, TGC stuff has less value than it could have had. |
| 21:10.57 | NivFreak | I love my rocket |
| 21:16.10 | NeoTron | so what's the good DK professions? Blacksmith and Inscription perhaps? Any good BS stuff out there? |
| 21:17.55 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043235649&sid=1#9 wtf |
| 21:18.22 | Dashkal | Actually, that could work if done right... The fan base is more than large enough |
| 21:18.51 | NeoTron | well |
| 21:19.06 | NeoTron | I was not commenting on the comment... but the fact that it's a DK posting on the live forum |
| 21:19.26 | Dashkal | Neat trick... |
| 21:19.54 | NeoTron | when I try it just says "The account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum." |
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| 21:21.04 | harl|WoW | wtf? lol.. is there any chance a level 65 can enter MH ? |
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| 21:21.49 | Dashkal | ok, tried it, it failed |
| 21:21.53 | harl|WoW | methinks people are getting more stupid. |
| 21:21.56 | Dashkal | Let me write the post but wouldn't let me post it |
| 21:21.59 | vithos | harl|WoW, i think so, now that they don't have to do the attunement anymore |
| 21:22.09 | Dashkal | Can get right up to preview |
| 21:22.28 | Dashkal | I bet the forums are just letting him use an old cookie |
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| 21:24.02 | harl|WoW | vithos: well, thats another stupid thing. i liked the idea of having to do at least something(!) to be allowed entering one or another instance. making things "easier" isn't necessarily the best to do. (actually, i should say that to blizzard, but they wouldn't care anyway..) |
| 21:24.53 | Zyndrome | NeoTron : I'll probably be BS and Insciption on my DK as well, there is quite decent BS-stuff |
| 21:26.21 | vithos | harl|WoW, my theory is they always plan to do that as part of "automatic progression" (i.e. to go with badges of justice) |
| 21:27.35 | vithos | because the beginning of t6 raid content is easier than the end of t5 |
| 21:28.19 | harl|WoW | i'm fine with badges of justice, but making things easier instead of balancing them, however, isn't the right way. |
| 21:29.17 | NeoTron | wonder what, if any, attunements they will have in BC |
| 21:29.23 | PProvost | Anybody know what the plan is with badges in LK? New badges? More expensive items using the existing badges? |
| 21:29.31 | vithos | what pisses me off is the sunwell trash farming pugs, and how my guild still hasn't seen any physical dps chest patterns |
| 21:29.36 | NeoTron | PProvost: new badges, tier specific |
| 21:29.46 | Groktar | neither has my guild vithos |
| 21:29.46 | harl|WoW | there's got to be challenges. instances becoming just a stray walk won't get the game content to the players either. |
| 21:29.51 | NeoTron | so to get naxx-25 level gear you need to run naxx-25 or, I presume, next tier 10-man |
| 21:30.01 | Groktar | nor have we seen any mail healing or cloth healing patterns |
| 21:30.09 | NeoTron | vithos: sunwell trash farming pugs is a bad design |
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| 21:30.25 | NeoTron | the only people getting reasonble amount of trash is those who farm it without killing any bosses |
| 21:30.26 | NivFreak | PProvost: new badges |
| 21:30.30 | NivFreak | badges per tier |
| 21:30.38 | NivFreak | er |
| 21:30.39 | NeoTron | they shouldf have made kal have 1-2 packs of trash and put all trash between kal and brut, if anything |
| 21:30.40 | NivFreak | I can read |
| 21:30.41 | NivFreak | really |
| 21:30.50 | PProvost | Will the current BC raids continue to drop BoJ? |
| 21:31.01 | NivFreak | I don't see why not |
| 21:31.06 | NivFreak | they aren't used for anything in wrath |
| 21:31.09 | NeoTron | we have, so far, seen exactly 2 necklace pattern (healer, phys dps) |
| 21:31.16 | NeoTron | no cast neck yet and I'm the only one who'd use it |
| 21:31.19 | vithos | NeoTron, and made the 2 packs not drop loot, otherwise people would do the same thing they do now (zone out with 1 mob left CC'd to reset the same pull over and over) |
| 21:31.20 | NivFreak | hell, I can't even figure out where my badges went on beta... |
| 21:31.30 | NeoTron | vithos: sure |
| 21:31.32 | PProvost | No NivFreak, but they might be useful for people leveling new stuff through 60s and 70s |
| 21:31.37 | NeoTron | better yet, make it like BWL |
| 21:31.41 | NeoTron | no trash, instant boss fight |
| 21:31.58 | NeoTron | or make the packs smaller |
| 21:32.10 | Groktar | i don't have a problem with the bads getting some loot |
| 21:32.28 | NeoTron | the main reason this is worse than BT and sunwell etc |
| 21:32.40 | NeoTron | is the fact that there's basically no drops between kalecgos and twins |
| 21:32.46 | Groktar | but it would be nice if the latter bosses would also be guaranteed to drop a trash item |
| 21:32.54 | NeoTron | a total of 5 trash packs for 3 bosses |
| 21:32.57 | NeoTron | that drop loot |
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| 21:33.25 | NeoTron | the muru trash should have significantly higher trash drop rate |
| 21:33.37 | Groktar | let's see |
| 21:33.40 | vithos | twins trash should drop loot |
| 21:33.43 | NeoTron | or my personal favorite - theer should be a vendor after twins selling at least the patterns that make BoP items |
| 21:33.54 | NeoTron | vithos: the static packs should yes |
| 21:33.54 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I like less trash |
| 21:33.56 | NivFreak | :) |
| 21:34.05 | NivFreak | I'm ok with the vendor |
| 21:34.07 | NeoTron | NivFreak: not at the expense of never seeing trash loot |
| 21:35.23 | NivFreak | NeoTron: it was just stupid to put such crazy-good trash loot in anyway |
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| 21:35.55 | Groktar | i know a priest in a guild that hasn't killed kalecgos that has two rings of harmonic beauty, wand, and chest |
| 21:36.04 | Groktar | :( |
| 21:36.11 | vithos | does anyone know how the game decides which LW drum to use in your bags? i assume either the first or last one |
| 21:36.23 | Stanzilla | first |
| 21:36.28 | vithos | sick of having 4 different drums with ~15 charges each |
| 21:37.21 | NeoTron | in BT/Hyjal you had better drop rate the further in you were too |
| 21:37.27 | NeoTron | swp doesn't have that design |
| 21:38.55 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ebf0bb41208b9a72e19abac00fa93136.gif |
| 21:38.55 | cladhaire | win |
| 21:39.32 | nocts|work | lol |
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| 21:57.30 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81815 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:57.30 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 21:57.31 | CIA-58 | - Add generation of the trainer file |
| 21:57.31 | CIA-58 | - Add more filters (item BoE/BoP, armor, weapon, class) |
| 21:57.31 | CIA-58 | - Add some generic test cases at the bottom for me to see special cases |
| 21:57.31 | CIA-58 | - Need to test out all the new changes with other professions |
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| 22:08.22 | thul | Pkekyo|: hva er tilfeldig på engelsk? random? annet enn random? :-P |
| 22:08.26 | thul | synonyme for random guys |
| 22:10.39 | Zyndrome | occassional ? |
| 22:10.50 | Zyndrome | or wutever |
| 22:11.32 | Zyndrome | or the usual word: temporary |
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| 22:16.09 | Dashkal | woot, new build this week confirmed: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043234288&sid=2000&pageNo=1#10 |
| 22:17.37 | Zyndrome | hurry the buttflap up |
| 22:18.17 | NeoTron | ... |
| 22:18.33 | Dashkal | I just hope the DK changes mentioned today are in it |
| 22:18.42 | NeoTron | I hope so too |
| 22:19.38 | thul | new camera out today |
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| 22:36.24 | Fisker- | Dashkal new build last week confirmed |
| 22:37.26 | Dashkal | Hrm, I missed that post. Oh well, double-confirmed then. |
| 22:39.18 | thul | http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/259/3/b/3b06cec47445a2a533f9ea0cef59a1bd.jpg <- looking at that image, I actually like it :-P |
| 22:40.10 | Dashkal | I should know better than to click a thul link before checking for work safety... |
| 22:40.32 | thul | :-( i always forget |
| 22:40.34 | thul | i can't help it |
| 22:40.44 | nocts|work | ... |
| 22:40.50 | thul | in my defence, 99% of my favourites at DA are non-nude :-P |
| 22:40.51 | nocts|work | Helps to put a nsfw on it. |
| 22:40.55 | thul | I knoooow... |
| 22:40.57 | thul | i just forget. |
| 22:42.08 | thul | :-( |
| 22:42.11 | thul | FORGIVE MEEEE |
| 22:42.41 | dodga | boobies? |
| 22:42.45 | thul | :-P |
| 22:43.15 | Ellipsis | did someone say boobies? |
| 22:43.15 | dodga | meh, mediocre boobies :/ |
| 22:43.24 | thul | I just like the picture, it is absurd |
| 22:43.27 | thul | I like absurdity |
| 22:43.35 | thul | i did not think of it as nude actually :/ more like "CHICKEN FEET!" |
| 22:43.41 | dodga | Then you must absofsckinlutely love Ellipsis :P |
| 22:43.53 | thul | haha |
| 22:43.54 | thul | of course |
| 22:43.54 | Dashkal | It is a pretty amusing photo. Though it was on my screen for about three and a half seconds :p |
| 22:44.16 | thul | hehe, sorry :/ |
| 22:54.11 | thul | http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/260/6/d/sara_in_the_sun_by_tmronin.jpg <- better boobs (nsfw :-P ) |
| 22:54.34 | thul | http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/260/0/9/sousa_at_varet_st_by_tmronin.jpg <- ooh, and cool tattoo (nsfw) |
| 22:54.37 | thul | I like this guy :-P |
| 22:54.56 | Ellipsis | is it porn o'clock already? |
| 22:55.13 | Chompers | boobz |
| 22:55.17 | VonhintenHOME` | wtf, it's always porn o'clock |
| 22:55.44 | Ellipsis | but I just woke up |
| 22:55.53 | Ellipsis | I must remember to set my alarm next time... |
| 22:55.56 | VonhintenHOME` | I wanked in between each syllable in your question... that's how often it's porn o'clock |
| 22:56.05 | FtH|Daemona | oh man |
| 22:56.07 | Ellipsis | that's impressive |
| 22:56.08 | FtH|Daemona | ... |
| 22:56.32 | thul | Ellipsis: that is not porn, that is.. art? :-P |
| 22:56.42 | Ellipsis | that's what they all say |
| 22:56.45 | Chompers | erotic art i guess? |
| 22:56.49 | Chompers | maybe not even that |
| 22:56.55 | Chompers | nude people doesnt make it porn |
| 22:56.58 | Ellipsis | who cares? it's boobs |
| 22:57.01 | dodga | uuh, boobies. |
| 22:57.14 | VonhintenHOME` | that being said... not a big fan of tats |
| 22:57.16 | Chompers | oh no boobs |
| 22:57.21 | Chompers | think of the CHILDREN |
| 22:57.38 | dodga | go buy a pack of milk for them :P |
| 22:58.03 | VonhintenHOME` | queue the milking mommies pics |
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| 23:00.57 | thul | Ellipsis: so, when are you coming over for that photoshoot? |
| 23:01.32 | Gnarfoz | :: |
| 23:01.45 | Dashkal | >.> |
| 23:01.56 | Gnarfoz | how do you do a baron run solo, as a rogue? oO fucking masses of zombies at the end own me |
| 23:02.23 | dodga | moar dps |
| 23:02.26 | thul | STEALTH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?! |
| 23:02.35 | FtH|Daemona | hmm didnt know i had an account at deviantart... |
| 23:02.42 | Gnarfoz | you obviously haven't even been to stratholme, thul... |
| 23:02.44 | FtH|Daemona | but my generic username/pw combo works ;) |
| 23:02.49 | thul | Gnarfoz: I wish. |
| 23:03.00 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you wish you had |
| 23:03.09 | FtH|Daemona | bladeflurry adrenalin rush ! |
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| 23:03.27 | thul | FtH|Daemona: ftw. |
| 23:03.31 | Gnarfoz | in that case, you'd have know that the instance is scripted from start to end and that you can't progress further withotu killing these 30 mobs :p |
| 23:03.34 | thul | FtH|Daemona: or fan of knives. |
| 23:03.46 | thul | Gnarfoz: YES!! STEALTH!! |
| 23:03.58 | Gnarfoz | thul: go look at more porn "art", kk |
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| 23:04.06 | thul | Gnarfoz:/ |
| 23:04.16 | thul | Gnarfoz: It is not masturbation time yet |
| 23:04.21 | Gnarfoz | it is. |
| 23:04.34 | Gnarfoz | ask VonhintenHOME` |
| 23:06.33 | thul | VonhintenHOME`: is it masturbation time now? |
| 23:08.32 | thul | i guess not |
| 23:09.18 | dodga | too much info. |
| 23:10.50 | Gnarfoz | I can quote him for you. but before: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/strath.jpg :X |
| 23:10.56 | Gnarfoz | <VonhintenHOME`> I wanked in between each syllable in your question... that's how often it's porn o'clock |
| 23:12.19 | VonhintenHOME` | Back |
| 23:12.21 | Ellipsis | gee Gnarfoz it looks like you're about to die there |
| 23:12.25 | VonhintenHOME` | Sorry I missed your question, I was masturbating |
| 23:12.39 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: you think? ^^ |
| 23:12.47 | Ellipsis | you should probably try not to do that |
| 23:12.51 | Ellipsis | might make strath a little easier |
| 23:13.27 | Gnarfoz | try what, doing strath? |
| 23:13.38 | Gnarfoz | that's kind of contraproductive |
| 23:14.16 | thul | try not dying |
| 23:14.18 | thul | Gnarfoz: dying |
| 23:14.20 | thul | YO FOOL |
| 23:15.41 | Gnarfoz | damn drunkards |
| 23:15.59 | thul | I'm sober as a choir boy fondling priest. |
| 23:20.32 | Ellipsis | <awkward silence> |
| 23:20.41 | thul | whaaaaat |
| 23:21.03 | Dashkal | "Sip the vodka, don't gulp it" |
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| 23:28.48 | thul | haha |
| 23:29.05 | thul | my grappling instructor bought me a longsleeve when he was back in ny: |
| 23:29.12 | thul | "it's hard to show I care SINCE I DON'T" |
| 23:29.16 | thul | I love it alread |
| 23:29.19 | thul | y |
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| 23:32.48 | nocts|work | http://www.coolic.com/2008/09/art-of-stone-balancing.html < real or shopped |
| 23:33.07 | Ellipsis | real |
| 23:33.26 | Ellipsis | well, I can't say for those particular pictures, but there are people who really do that kind of thing |
| 23:33.28 | Medlir | Does PeriodicTable 3.1 totally replace 3.0? I'm cleaning up my addons dir, and have several 3.0 dirs that aren't affected by reinstalling 3.1, and I'm wondering if they're legacy orphans and can be deleted, or if they might still be in use? |
| 23:33.51 | nocts|work | I know some people do, but it's about those pictures in particular. |
| 23:33.58 | nocts|work | Some of the physics for that just doesn't seem.. right |
| 23:34.16 | Dashkal | I'm really starting to like Maaven... |
| 23:34.24 | Industrial | just drill a hole in both stones and stick a metal pipe in |
| 23:34.25 | thul | nocts|work: the balance seems a bit of on a couple of them yeah |
| 23:34.36 | Ellipsis | most of them look pretty real to me |
| 23:34.50 | Dashkal | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043165547&sid=1&pageNo=1#7 |
| 23:35.01 | Industrial | real but artificially held in place i bet. |
| 23:35.15 | Ellipsis | and it can be hard to tell where the center of gravity is of a 3d object from a 2d picture :P |
| 23:35.36 | Industrial | or someone holds the stones and gets out of camera view real quick and you snap i ;P |
| 23:35.41 | Industrial | it* |
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| 23:36.24 | Dashkal | If they can get it to stay up long enough that you can get the shot without the rocks falling on your helper, you can prolly get them to stay |
| 23:36.37 | Industrial | hehe |
| 23:37.09 | Industrial | back to plan a, drill holes. |
| 23:38.46 | Ellipsis | a vertical rod through them would work for some of those |
| 23:38.49 | Dashkal | >.> |
| 23:39.07 | thul | superglue? |
| 23:39.44 | Industrial | you would just need little pipes |
| 23:39.50 | Industrial | not a big thing ll through |
| 23:40.03 | Industrial | just stick a rock over each end of the pipe |
| 23:40.06 | Industrial | why am I discussing this? |
| 23:40.10 | Ellipsis | rocks are heavy :P |
| 23:40.36 | Codayus | My vote is "real without tricks". Not sure THOSE are real, but none if the images look impossible. And in some of those images internal supports wouldn't be feasible, in my view. |
| 23:40.45 | Codayus | none OF the images, even |
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| 23:43.01 | Codayus | The 3rd picture in particular - it looks more or less impossible with any method. But if the rocks had JUST the right shape and weight distribution, balancing might work. I don't think internal support could work at all though. |
| 23:43.32 | Ellipsis | the only problem I see with the third one is that the middle rock would have to be held in place while the top one was balanced |
| 23:44.03 | Arrowmaster | which is exactly how you do that kinda stuff |
| 23:44.20 | thul | my vote goes for vagina |
| 23:44.27 | Ellipsis | not really, they tend to prefer doing one rock at a time |
| 23:44.35 | Ellipsis | it's actually easier that way |
| 23:46.52 | WobWork | how's about real. With Supports. With Photoshop? |
| 23:47.31 | nocts|work | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9bHAGein3VA/SMbk7BeFc_I/AAAAAAAABPE/nNH4tapO2BU/s1600-h/kamen-1.jpg <- that looks fake. |
| 23:47.34 | WobWork | ps, there is no way that -anywhere- near a beach would not have a breeze at any time |
| 23:47.36 | nocts|work | Some of them look solid and real. |
| 23:47.44 | WobWork | and thus, it would make perfect balancing impossible |
| 23:48.02 | Ellipsis | a breeze won't knock those over |
| 23:48.05 | Ellipsis | they have too much inertia :P |
| 23:48.07 | nocts|work | I question generally the top-most rocks in place that have an inch or less contact area for an unevened area of weight. |
| 23:48.17 | nocts|work | Wait, so they won't move because they're already moving? |
| 23:48.29 | Ellipsis | inertia != momentum |
| 23:48.41 | WobWork | Too much potential energy in some of those positions |
| 23:48.57 | Ellipsis | not if the surfaces making contact are shaped in a stable way |
| 23:49.03 | Ellipsis | which you can't actually see, so |
| 23:49.06 | WobWork | like.. concrete |
| 23:49.18 | WobWork | Still. The easiest way would be to use photoshop =P |
| 23:49.44 | Ellipsis | not true, the easiest way would be to go take photos of one of the artists who does this publicly :P |
| 23:50.03 | WobWork | pft |
| 23:50.05 | WobWork | that's not easy |
| 23:50.10 | WobWork | you have to find out when they're doing it |
| 23:50.15 | WobWork | then y'know, travel there |
| 23:50.18 | WobWork | and take photos |
| 23:50.23 | nocts|work | Again, I know it's a hobby for some people. |
| 23:50.29 | nocts|work | But certain positions of those rocks just don't add up. |
| 23:50.34 | Ellipsis | ...they're real |
| 23:50.35 | WobWork | instead of pasting stock photos of rocks together in photoshop =P |
| 23:50.38 | Ellipsis | I cheated and looked up the artist: http://flickr.com/photos/66816451@N00/ |
| 23:50.59 | Ellipsis | many of the pictures in there show the same rocks from different angles |
| 23:51.13 | WobWork | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1672499/bill_dan_balancing_rocks/ |
| 23:51.25 | nocts|work | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1140/536997929_1699e8d393.jpg <- |
| 23:51.28 | nocts|work | How is that even possible? |
| 23:51.36 | WobWork | ahaha |
| 23:51.37 | Ellipsis | careful balance :P |
| 23:51.39 | WobWork | "Is this possible?? |
| 23:51.39 | WobWork | This looks so easy but it is possible? |
| 23:51.39 | WobWork | I mean, I´m 33 years old and I have never seen something like this before. My god." |
| 23:51.46 | nocts|work | And apparently she uses glue? |
| 23:51.59 | nocts|work | That makes more sense, now that it's said. |
| 23:52.08 | Ellipsis | she? |
| 23:52.09 | Ellipsis | what? |
| 23:52.12 | Ellipsis | glue? |
| 23:52.25 | Codayus | Mmm, don't think glue would work at all. Ever tried to glue rocks together? |
| 23:52.37 | nocts|work | hehe |
| 23:52.50 | Ellipsis | eh, it would probably add a bit of friction, but you'd have to hold the rocks for a pretty long time :P |
| 23:53.03 | Ellipsis | I think that guy is actually the one I saw doing this o.o |
| 23:53.08 | Codayus | There ARE some exotic glues and epoxies that'd work. But among other things you'd need a framework to hold the rocks in place for the hours it takes to dry. |
| 23:53.16 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 23:53.32 | nocts|work | Ellipsis: Pics of your boobs or gtfo. And more than one angle, fake otherwise. |
| 23:53.40 | Codayus | And in any case the bird weighs sod all, so... |
| 23:53.41 | WobWork | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qPzhYwKs9lo |
| 23:53.41 | Ellipsis | sure, you can take some when you get home |
| 23:53.43 | thul | well, nite guys, I think I have to sleep |
| 23:53.47 | nocts|work | Ellipsis: lol |
| 23:53.49 | Ellipsis | night thul <3 |
| 23:53.55 | nocts|work | thul: Thanks for the nsfw warning, you cunt |
| 23:53.58 | nocts|work | <3 Sleep tight hun |
| 23:54.00 | thul | nocts|work:( |
| 23:54.02 | thul | nocts|work: I LOVE YOU! |
| 23:54.04 | thul | nite nite darlings. |
| 23:54.08 | nocts|work | I LOVE YOU TOO ANGEL CUPCAKE |
| 23:54.20 | thul | nocts|work: if you understood norwegian, I would link you the worst loveesong ever. |
| 23:54.27 | Ellipsis | aww, link it to me |
| 23:54.31 | Arrowmaster | you guys could just watch the video then stfu |
| 23:54.34 | nocts|work | What if I misunderstood if and interpreted it as the best? |
| 23:54.52 | thul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vQYqvQL9QU <- Ellipsis nocts|work |
| 23:55.03 | thul | that.. is the best music we can offer here in norseway |
| 23:55.04 | nocts|work | thx |
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| 23:55.24 | Ellipsis | bahaha |
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| 23:55.44 | nocts|work | lol |
| 23:56.48 | thul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ3XPZ_M7PE <- and white trash? WE DON'T AHVE THAT IN NORWAY |
| 23:56.56 | thul | the special effects on that one is just great |
| 23:58.08 | Ellipsis | spanks thul |
| 23:58.11 | Ellipsis | bed. go. NAO. |
| 23:58.24 | thul | Ellipsis: ok mistress, nite nite! |
| 23:58.37 | Ellipsis | night ;D |
| 23:58.46 | nocts|work | http://pax-europa.com/temp/weird.jpg |
| 23:58.46 | Dashkal | kinky |
| 23:58.51 | VonhintenHOME` | Oh my god, that's the worse music video I've ever seen in my life |
| 23:59.21 | Ellipsis | nocts: sounds like a normal weekend, I don't get it |
| 23:59.31 | nocts|work | oh snap |
| 23:59.32 | Dashkal | I want my brain cells back |
