| 00:00.38 | sacarasc | i'm happy, just got onto the PTR to be greeted with: http://sacarasc.org/WoWScrnShot_092208_005859.jpg |
| 00:01.04 | Zyndrome | :3 |
| 00:02.15 | Gnarfoz | draenei bloodsail admiral? :X |
| 00:02.20 | Aeyan | You had far, far too much time on your hands =P |
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| 00:05.50 | Xinhuan | i regret |
| 00:05.54 | Xinhuan | not grinding bloodsail rep |
| 00:05.56 | sexpanther | someone registered my nick in here? |
| 00:05.58 | sexpanther | lame |
| 00:05.58 | Xinhuan | before i grinded the 4 booty bay ones |
| 00:06.11 | Zyndrome | oh wait, it wasn't a week ago ... I slacked from 2nd September |
| 00:06.38 | sexpanther | what's URL to download wowace? |
| 00:06.44 | Zyndrome | but still, when raiding feels like a job, you want a time off |
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| 00:22.52 | Pkekyo| | what's the name of that bloody format that requires quicktime? |
| 00:23.01 | liquidzoo | .mov? |
| 00:23.13 | Pkekyo| | cheers |
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| 00:26.13 | sacarasc | Pkekyo|: it doesn;t require quicktime, there are many players which can use it |
| 00:29.44 | Xinhuan | in all likelyhood, just renaming it to .avi and it would probably play in WMP |
| 00:29.45 | Cryect | if you have the directshow codecs for it |
| 00:30.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah, quicktime is probably the only one where that's not likely to work |
| 00:30.07 | Cryect | eh renaming it .avi wouldn't work |
| 00:30.21 | Xinhuan | depends on codec, divx would work for eg |
| 00:30.24 | Gnarfoz | would work here, but that's because I do have DShow quicktime codecs ;p |
| 00:30.40 | Cryect | it doesn't work if you don't have the quicktime splitter dshow |
| 00:30.42 | Cryect | filter |
| 00:30.43 | Gnarfoz | also, filename extensions are not "formats", but I digress :D |
| 00:30.53 | Gnarfoz | my player acts as the splitter |
| 00:30.56 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 00:31.30 | Cryect | can also get quicktime alternative and then works in anything that uses directshow to playback videos |
| 00:33.29 | Gnarfoz | I don't know of any other qt dshow filters we could've been speaking of? |
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| 01:09.13 | CIA-58 | 03zeksie * r81946 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs.lua: ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs: Fixed Sanctity aura. |
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| 01:51.07 | CIA-58 | 03LordFarlander * r81947 10Baldrick/ (Baldrick.lua Baldrick_DailyQuests.lua): |
| 01:51.07 | CIA-58 | Baldrick: |
| 01:51.07 | CIA-58 | - Fixes some weirdness with the taxi quests |
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| 01:59.44 | sylvanaar | whats the spellpower to +heal conversion? |
| 02:00.52 | Shefki | 0.532 |
| 02:00.59 | Shefki | Ohh other way around is 1.88 |
| 02:01.11 | Shefki | Spellpower -> Heal on Live is 1.88 |
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| 02:18.00 | sacarasc | where do i get addons for the ptr? |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-58 | 03ackis * r81948 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLFrame.lua AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-58 | - I think this bug is really fixed now. |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-58 | - esMX didn't work so I just changed the values, should work now. |
| 02:23.16 | Ackis | where do you submit suggestions for Ace3? |
| 02:26.15 | starlon | Anyone know how I can get my pet's combo points? |
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| 02:53.03 | fewyn | so a friend of mine said i can easily oc my cpu to 3.0ghz with stock cooling |
| 02:53.05 | fewyn | >_> |
| 02:53.09 | fewyn | an E2160 |
| 02:53.10 | fewyn | googles |
| 03:00.03 | Pkekyo| | PANTS IN THE TOWER OF SODAPOP |
| 03:00.31 | Pkekyo| | I'm bored :< |
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| 03:13.23 | Wraithan | fewyn: what is the native speed of that chip? |
| 03:13.46 | fewyn | 1.8 |
| 03:14.07 | Groktar | licks fewyn |
| 03:14.42 | fewyn | ew |
| 03:14.44 | Wraithan | Haven't looked it up, but I really doubt you could push it that far without at least upgrading your cooling |
| 03:14.46 | fewyn | Groktar slobber |
| 03:15.04 | fewyn | i did some google searches saying most people do it fine with stock cooling |
| 03:15.10 | fewyn | i probably won't push it that far |
| 03:15.15 | fewyn | maybe to 2.4 |
| 03:15.28 | Wraithan | e2160 is based off the Core line if I recall right, which means after about 50% OC you will see a lot of jump in heat |
| 03:15.31 | Wraithan | hmm really? |
| 03:16.05 | fewyn | yar |
| 03:17.00 | Wraithan | it must be pretty severly underclocked stock |
| 03:22.40 | Ellipsis | o hai #wowace, what are we overclocking today? |
| 03:22.51 | fewyn | my penis |
| 03:23.01 | Ellipsis | hoping to get it to 4.0 inches? |
| 03:23.02 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 03:23.36 | fewyn | hells yea |
| 03:26.32 | Wraithan | more than 50-75% OC and you reduce the lifespan, in most cases, by a lot |
| 03:28.20 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
| 03:28.31 | Ellipsis | licks Zhinjio |
| 03:30.04 | Wraithan | ugh, it is looking like fastfood/manual labor if I want a job |
| 03:30.29 | Wraithan | this economic slump sucks |
| 03:31.06 | Ellipsis | welcome to life as a sucker--I mean, uh, normal person |
| 03:31.09 | Wraithan | Comcast is hiring folks to install cable, hmmm, guess I will ap for that |
| 03:31.14 | Ellipsis | whistles innocently |
| 03:31.36 | Wraithan | um, been a normal person for a couple years now |
| 03:32.18 | Ellipsis | even more reason you should take this opportunity to stop :P |
| 03:32.39 | Wraithan | oh and how shall I pay my bills? |
| 03:33.39 | Wraithan | umemployment barely covers everything for me, and I only have 5 mo of it left |
| 03:36.05 | Ellipsis | meh, minor details |
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| 04:00.01 | Pkekyo| | meeh, I'm hungry...somebody feed me :p |
| 04:06.32 | Ellipsis | feeds Pkekyo| Wraithan's unemployment check |
| 04:06.51 | Pkekyo| | om nom nom nom |
| 04:07.02 | Wraithan | hey! |
| 04:07.04 | Wraithan | I need that |
| 04:07.07 | Wraithan | to pay rent |
| 04:07.08 | Wraithan | =( |
| 04:07.14 | Pkekyo| | finder's keepers |
| 04:08.00 | Pkekyo| | hmm...I want an unemployment check :O |
| 04:08.00 | Pkekyo| | getting paid for not having a job...brilliant |
| 04:08.14 | Ellipsis | seriously, who came up with that? |
| 04:08.37 | Pkekyo| | no idea, but s/he was a fucking genious |
| 04:10.48 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: geif monies for not having a job dammit |
| 04:11.34 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: democrats |
| 04:11.49 | Ellipsis | well I want some |
| 04:12.11 | Pkekyo| | gives Ellipsis a handful of democrats |
| 04:12.17 | kenlyric | it's not all it's cracked up to be. |
| 04:12.40 | Pkekyo| | just enough to put food on the table a couple days a week |
| 04:13.07 | Ellipsis | oh I'm not worried about the amount |
| 04:13.21 | Ellipsis | I'm just sad because of all the money I get for not working, none of it comes from the government >:O |
| 04:13.30 | Pkekyo| | lol |
| 04:16.16 | Pkekyo| | so where do your money come from? |
| 04:16.44 | Ellipsis | people who like me |
| 04:16.46 | Ellipsis | (god only knows why) |
| 04:17.03 | Pkekyo| | lolwut |
| 04:17.21 | Pkekyo| | I'd wish the people who like me gave me monies :( |
| 04:17.22 | Arrowmaster | so we just summoned the brewfest boss in brd like 15 times with a 4 man group, and 3 of us had already summoned him today |
| 04:17.39 | Arrowmaster | the power of a warlock and lots of alts and lots of other peoples account info |
| 04:19.18 | Pkekyo| | brewfest boss drop anything funky? |
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| 04:27.57 | Arrowmaster | kodo mount =( |
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| 04:28.27 | Arrowmaster | must have done like 25 kills by now and i havent seen a single mount or the teleporter |
| 04:29.08 | kenlyric | rng is |
| 04:29.10 | kenlyric | oh i give up |
| 04:32.01 | Zhinjio | I got the ram mount today on one toon, and it dropped a second time in the same 5 summons. |
| 04:32.03 | Arrowmaster | rng is the devil |
| 04:32.09 | Zhinjio | 2 kodo mounts in my guild so far, I think |
| 04:32.10 | Zhinjio | 3 |
| 04:32.25 | Arrowmaster | especially on things you can only do a limited number of times |
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| 05:04.12 | Moocat091987 | hello, has anyone got a moment to help me with kgPanels custom artwork? |
| 05:06.28 | Moocat091987 | anyone? i'm trying to re-do my entire ui >.< |
| 05:08.02 | Moocat091987 | please? |
| 05:11.22 | Wraithan | Moocat091987: not ignoring you, just don't know anything about kgPanels |
| 05:12.00 | Wraithan | I know several people in here at least use it, so perhaps wait half an hour and ask again |
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| 05:27.05 | Moocat091987 | I figured out how to bring in custom artwork, it was a stupid error on my part |
| 05:27.29 | Moocat091987 | now i just need some advice on finding good artwork for backgrounds and borders in kgpanels, has anyone got any good art packages to recommend? |
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| 05:49.34 | Moocat091987 | any kgpanels users know of any good artwork they recommend? |
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| 06:00.31 | Wraithan | wow |
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| 06:00.47 | Wraithan | wtf ya chatty bitches, quiet down already |
| 06:01.14 | Wraithan | licks Groktar |
| 06:01.41 | Wraithan | Moocat091987: you picked the deadest night I ahve seen in this channel to come ask questions |
| 06:06.37 | Moocat091987 | yeah i've noticed wraithan. |
| 06:06.52 | Moocat091987 | it's usually pretty active in here, but not tonight. |
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| 06:35.47 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.57 | NeoTron | wtf does anub'rehak in naxx-10 drop aggro |
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| 06:36.22 | NeoTron | like all of a sudden he just goes and kills a healer or dps |
| 06:37.27 | starlon | Noth did that to me lastnight. He decimated and turned on me. |
| 06:37.48 | Shefki | Had the same issue with Malygos last night too. |
| 06:38.25 | Shefki | I was healing, litterally Malygos turned around hit me and then turned right back to the tank. |
| 06:38.28 | Shefki | For no apparent reason. |
| 06:39.05 | NeoTron | he doesn't have any abilities that are aggro drops.. and we waited until the first locus to do any dps at all |
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| 06:40.30 | Shefki | Probably just buggy boss implementations. |
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| 06:48.48 | Wraithan | and or targeting/LoS |
| 06:49.06 | Wraithan | boss thinks he can't see the tank to he takes a swing as someone else |
| 06:49.31 | Wraithan | s/tank to/tank so/ |
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| 07:03.33 | WobWork | Antiarc: What's the link to the cloud video you made? |
| 07:05.49 | Elkano | anyone in here using ruRU client? |
| 07:08.36 | Aeyan | WobWork: http://vimeo.com/1757321 |
| 07:08.44 | WobWork | ta |
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| 07:12.37 | [SW]Dodge | lol :D |
| 07:12.52 | [SW]Dodge | thats cool ^^ |
| 07:12.59 | tz8 | damn cool vid |
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| 07:13.48 | Moocat091987 | hey folks, i'm having an issue with fubar, i set the font to 7 and every time i reload the font goes back to 12... anyone have a solution to this? |
| 07:13.56 | Moocat091987 | there are a few posts on wowace forums about it but none have answers |
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| 07:28.16 | whatsinthename | hello all |
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| 07:28.43 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning whatsinthename :) |
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| 07:30.04 | Ellipsis | so apparently cleaning the dust out of your laptop occasionally is a good idea...who'da thunk it? |
| 07:31.10 | whatsinthename | i go a step ahead, i get the fans and heatsinks replaced |
| 07:31.16 | whatsinthename | free warranty FTW |
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| 07:32.04 | Ellipsis | yeah well a) out of warranty, b) on a budget, c) don't care enough :P |
| 07:32.07 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
| 07:32.13 | Ellipsis | licks Zhinjio |
| 07:32.46 | Zhinjio | how're you? |
| 07:33.12 | Ellipsis | not too bad, and my computer is pretty happy now too |
| 07:33.13 | Ellipsis | you? |
| 07:33.33 | Zhinjio | I'm alright, thanks. |
| 07:33.42 | Zhinjio | I don't have enough time in the day to do ... well, pretty much anything. |
| 07:33.51 | Zhinjio | but... I knew what I was signing on for |
| 07:33.54 | Zhinjio | so I shant complain |
| 07:34.09 | Zhinjio | I haven't touched any of my code in weeks |
| 07:35.48 | Ellipsis | poor code, what if it misses your touch? |
| 07:37.14 | Zhinjio | it does. I hear it moaning at night. |
| 07:37.27 | Zhinjio | although, that might just be the baby crying. I'm not certain |
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| 07:49.36 | Wraithan | Zhinjio: an observation, my girlfriend moans more when I touch her than when I don't, I think your code is cheating on you |
| 07:49.56 | Cheads | Wraithan =) |
| 07:50.12 | Ellipsis | and with that totally awesome mental image... |
| 07:50.40 | Wraithan | ugh sick of my music... someone recommend some metal |
| 07:51.06 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: not sure how hard core you want to get. maybe faith no more? |
| 07:51.16 | Zhinjio | or if you're into something a little weirder: apoclyptica |
| 07:51.47 | Wraithan | Zhinjio: I listen to stuff from classic rock, to children of bodom, to nightwish |
| 07:51.49 | Ellipsis | whoa whoa, not my kind of music :P |
| 07:51.50 | Zhinjio | I don't listen to much metal |
| 07:52.10 | Kalroth | Zhinjio prefers deathcore and growling |
| 07:52.14 | Wraithan | Zhinjio: most any metal is good, just get sick of scream stuff way faster than any other |
| 07:52.51 | Zhinjio | actually, I'm in a kind of a mellow, light techno sort of phase right now. |
| 07:53.05 | Wraithan | I was listening to techno for a while |
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| 07:55.52 | Antiarc | So I finally got around to twilight hacking my Wii |
| 07:55.53 | Antiarc | :D |
| 07:56.23 | Antiarc | wii + homebrew channel + classic controller + SNES emulator + GBA emulator = classic gaming heaven |
| 08:00.29 | elite3vil | lol. |
| 08:01.15 | elite3vil | "Eset NOD32 v3.0 (latest definitions as of September 21, 2008 (3458) blocks it as a virus. Should we trust it and add The Curse client to the safe list?" |
| 08:01.29 | Antiarc | Heuristics, probably |
| 08:01.59 | elite3vil | comments on the Curse Client Beta page... totally a virus.. Kolie wants your infoz. |
| 08:02.12 | elite3vil | /facepalm |
| 08:03.22 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: wasn't it you that posted that video of the beta quest where you're hopping dragons? |
| 08:03.41 | Zhinjio | as they're flying, I mean. |
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| 08:06.19 | Ellipsis | licks Wobin |
| 08:06.30 | Wobin | 'lo |
| 08:06.37 | Ellipsis | hiiiii |
| 08:06.45 | Ellipsis | you're like, my favorite person in the world right now |
| 08:06.53 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 08:07.06 | Wobin | Glad it got there fast |
| 08:07.10 | Antiarc | yeah, that was me |
| 08:07.46 | Ellipsis | Wobin: yours should be on the way, I think...there was some confusion about the address but I think nocts got it sorted out |
| 08:08.03 | Wobin | wooty |
| 08:08.28 | Zhinjio | still up somewhere? I wanted to point a few guildies to it if you don't mind |
| 08:08.41 | Antiarc | http://www.gamevee.com/viewVideo/740706 |
| 08:09.10 | NeoTron | ahaha |
| 08:09.20 | NeoTron | bigwigs is the source of all my chat being removed |
| 08:09.31 | vhaarr | what? |
| 08:09.52 | NeoTron | when bigwigs is enabled (beta), I see no chat (say, whisper, raid, party, etc) |
| 08:10.11 | Zhinjio | that be the one. Danke schoen |
| 08:10.15 | NeoTron | this is normal (live) bigwigs |
| 08:11.07 | NeoTron | on beta |
| 08:11.39 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: thx |
| 08:12.05 | NeoTron | possibly due to this: 2218: bad argument #1 to 'strsub' (string expected, got nil): |
| 08:12.09 | NeoTron | Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2218: in function <Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2217>: |
| 08:12.14 | NeoTron | no useful backtrace but alas |
| 08:12.24 | NeoTron | ChatFrame_OnEvent |
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| 08:14.06 | vhaarr | aha |
| 08:14.12 | vhaarr | think I know why |
| 08:14.42 | vhaarr | NeoTron: try commenting out line 339 in Plugins\BossBlock.lua and reload UI, please? |
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| 08:16.43 | Groktar | nibbles on vhaarr's soul |
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| 08:21.25 | CIA-58 | 03rabbit * r81949 10BigWigs/Plugins/BossBlock.lua: BigWigs: BossBlock: WotLK fix. |
| 08:21.29 | vhaarr | NeoTron: try that |
| 08:21.35 | vhaarr | time for work |
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| 08:33.37 | harl | my Cellular's broken: .. http://harl.pastey.net/96533 |
| 08:34.51 | harl | or maybe it's SpamSentry.. how would I know |
| 08:36.28 | Kalroth | I believe it's SpamSentry's hook that breaks Cellular |
| 08:36.52 | Ellipsis | you'd know if the errors go away when you disable spamsentry :P |
| 08:37.06 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Enough with the simple logics! |
| 08:37.17 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: We're advanced beings, we seek advanced solutions! |
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| 08:38.45 | whatsinthename | perl regexp can directly work with lua right? |
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| 08:38.56 | Antiarc | no |
| 08:39.05 | Antiarc | Lua patterns are not PCRE |
| 08:39.20 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping - u gona make a lib out of that tradeskill link bitfield stuff? |
| 08:39.54 | whatsinthename | damn i hate building regexp , so much work |
| 08:41.18 | Tamaroth | hmm, do you know if there's somwhere online reference of spell ID's ? |
| 08:41.33 | Tamaroth | or i have to swipe through my combatlogs for it |
| 08:41.44 | Ellipsis | any wow database site e.g. wowhead will work |
| 08:41.52 | Ellipsis | they tend to use spell IDs as the url keys |
| 08:41.54 | Antiarc | wowhead or wowdb has spell IDs, just check the URL |
| 08:41.57 | Antiarc | What Ellipsis said |
| 08:42.07 | Tamaroth | oh, didn't know that |
| 08:42.12 | Tamaroth | thanks for info :) |
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| 08:43.24 | Tamaroth | oh, one more thing is it possible to get name of my current target using api ? |
| 08:43.40 | winkiller | I bet |
| 08:43.44 | winkiller | but no clue how :) |
| 08:43.45 | Ellipsis | UnitName("target") |
| 08:44.43 | Tamaroth | uhm... |
| 08:44.47 | Tamaroth | obvious ... |
| 08:44.53 | Tamaroth | thanks :) |
| 08:45.19 | mykx | always is obvious AFTER you know the answer :O |
| 08:45.46 | nocts | hindsight is 20/20, or someone's taking it up the ass. |
| 08:54.53 | Maldivia | orionshock: pong |
| 08:54.57 | orionshock | :D |
| 08:55.05 | Maldivia | orionshock: actually, made the lib last night :) |
| 08:55.11 | orionshock | oh? |
| 08:55.25 | orionshock | :D i need it for my addon... so.. im very interested in it |
| 08:55.33 | Maldivia | orionshock: yeah figured I'd give it a try myself - and it seems to work :9 |
| 08:55.47 | orionshock | any way to safely sort out BoP Items? |
| 08:56.08 | Maldivia | not really |
| 08:56.15 | Maldivia | besides making a black-list |
| 08:56.27 | Fisker- | orionshock my enemy |
| 08:56.43 | orionshock | would be nice to have a lib level blacklist... |
| 08:57.21 | Maldivia | was considering adding a lib-level blacklist of non-recipe spells |
| 08:57.39 | Maldivia | (ie the profession passives, the profession level spells, etc) |
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| 08:58.16 | orionshock | that i would say is a need there, i can make a BoP blacklist myself |
| 08:59.31 | Maldivia | orionshock: as for finding the BoP items - think tooltip scanning is the only way |
| 09:00.21 | orionshock | hard coded list from wowhead, tho it would have to be built manualy |
| 09:00.53 | orionshock | tho, you could do a dynamic shread... make a bit feild that had it all, then pair over it scanning tooltips and if u find the BoP text then add it to a black list |
| 09:01.01 | orionshock | make a scanner like i did for my quest addon... |
| 09:02.21 | Maldivia | orionshock: but poke me later today, so I remember to upload :) |
| 09:02.51 | orionshock | Maldivia: don't forget to upload that lib when you get home :D |
| 09:04.29 | Zhinjio | orionshock: you did GuildCraft, yes? |
| 09:04.38 | orionshock | Zhinjio: yes |
| 09:04.40 | Zhinjio | cool. |
| 09:04.43 | orionshock | why? |
| 09:04.47 | Zhinjio | trying to push my guild into using it now. |
| 09:04.47 | orionshock | u like? |
| 09:04.50 | Zhinjio | yessir. |
| 09:04.56 | Zhinjio | had a couple questions. |
| 09:04.58 | Wraithan | replacing this system by adding a extra video card to my main box (changing it to a tri-head instead of usnig a single head comp and a dual head comp together) hopefully back in like 25 |
| 09:04.59 | Wraithan | later |
| 09:05.23 | orionshock | well in the wotlk branch about 4 rev's ago it was totaly 3.0 ready... then Maldivia show'ed up with his lib and made life 100% better :D |
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| 09:05.44 | Zhinjio | when a new person loads it up ... do they get a full sync or just when someone next pushes their stuff? |
| 09:05.45 | orionshock | granted im gona need to rewrite 2/3rds of the addon... |
| 09:06.10 | orionshock | when a new player loads up, in theory they should get a full synch because of the offline protocol |
| 09:08.02 | Zhinjio | excellent |
| 09:08.28 | Zhinjio | so itll be alot of work to get to be wotlk compatible? |
| 09:08.43 | orionshock | well i have to change the entire synch protocol and database |
| 09:09.07 | Zhinjio | sounds like it |
| 09:09.32 | orionshock | i want to move 50% of the workload of the addon into the browser, it was my origional design to have a "thin Client" and a "browser" where anyone could implement a browser but still have the thin client in the background |
| 09:09.40 | Zhinjio | its been very well received so far |
| 09:10.27 | Zhinjio | excellent. id love to be able to "skin:" it, so to speak |
| 09:11.09 | orionshock | well you could write your own browser |
| 09:11.30 | orionshock | i want to slim the DBO.lua file down to just the comms call backs and the "public API" |
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| 09:11.54 | orionshock | then bloat up the browser file with the cache table that way i can eliminate alot of duplicate data |
| 09:12.45 | orionshock | actualy no, i'll leave the cache table in the DBO, otherwise i have to rewrite the browser... and no way in hell am i doing that... |
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| 09:15.19 | Zhinjio | further: with a couple additional features, it would theoretically replace about 4 other addons I use |
| 09:15.26 | orionshock | like? |
| 09:15.54 | Zhinjio | i currently use something like recipebook or professionsbook to tell me what recipes in the AH i already know, or have banked |
| 09:15.59 | Zhinjio | (via coloring) |
| 09:16.10 | Zhinjio | you maintain (roughly) the same data) |
| 09:16.27 | Zhinjio | and neither of those addons actually work very well |
| 09:16.34 | orionshock | not really, tho i could see a 3rd party module that would do something similar guild wide |
| 09:16.50 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 09:17.00 | orionshock | highlight a recipie that is not known in the guild or vise versa show you who has that in the guild... |
| 09:17.09 | Zhinjio | is there a distinction in the database about which recipes are on your own toons versus the rest of the guilds? |
| 09:17.18 | Zhinjio | right |
| 09:17.24 | orionshock | tho it would have to be "Craptastic correlation method" |
| 09:17.33 | orionshock | Zhinjio: sorta, no |
| 09:17.42 | Zhinjio | I haven't looked at your sv file at all yet |
| 09:17.56 | Zhinjio | well, anyway, it sounds like you've got your hands full with it until after lich king hits |
| 09:18.01 | Zhinjio | so I won't bug you for now *grin*] |
| 09:18.03 | orionshock | your toons stuff is in the .db.char key, and the guild's are in the .db.factionrealm key |
| 09:18.10 | orionshock | Zhinjio: no i want more ideas |
| 09:18.16 | orionshock | i get bored... |
| 09:18.18 | Zhinjio | oh! another question. |
| 09:18.23 | Zhinjio | if I have two accounts |
| 09:18.40 | Zhinjio | am I going to be able to see the second account's data? |
| 09:18.53 | Zhinjio | or do i get an offline push of my other account's data? |
| 09:18.55 | orionshock | provided they are in the same guild |
| 09:18.58 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 09:19.00 | Zhinjio | they are |
| 09:19.06 | orionshock | same guild = auto, else it's a push |
| 09:19.10 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 09:19.15 | Zhinjio | no problem. thats great. |
| 09:20.14 | Zhinjio | um.. what else |
| 09:20.22 | Zhinjio | for the browser: other sorting methods would be great. |
| 09:20.35 | Zhinjio | that would be a big pita though |
| 09:20.37 | orionshock | name i can do, easy.. |
| 09:20.49 | orionshock | item level of the crafted item, not going to happen |
| 09:20.52 | Zhinjio | yeah, you have name and ... item difficulty I think |
| 09:20.58 | orionshock | required level for the time, sure |
| 09:21.01 | Zhinjio | er no, required level |
| 09:21.20 | orionshock | i got required level |
| 09:21.25 | Zhinjio | lemme think of what I really liked for that... um.. |
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| 09:21.48 | Zhinjio | did you ever use or see GuildAds? |
| 09:22.06 | orionshock | see and use, yes, thought it was a hori-bad addon |
| 09:22.13 | Zhinjio | yes, very much so. |
| 09:22.17 | Zhinjio | especially the comms |
| 09:22.18 | Zhinjio | ugh |
| 09:22.25 | orionshock | i wrote my addon to replace that one |
| 09:22.33 | Zhinjio | anyway, the browser had essentially a full on AH style sorting of known recipes |
| 09:23.06 | Zhinjio | including filtering based on item color (rarity) |
| 09:23.15 | Zhinjio | that was some slick shit right there. |
| 09:23.19 | orionshock | hum... but in contrast you can search in the browser - and it searches tooltips |
| 09:23.52 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
| 09:24.02 | orionshock | so u could load up enchanting and search for "agi" and get anything that enchanted agi to an item. |
| 09:24.09 | Zhinjio | if I actually had time, I'd consider writing a browser for it. |
| 09:24.21 | Zhinjio | new baby == zero time. |
| 09:24.59 | orionshock | real problem is that i won't add more to whats communicated beyond the spell ID of the item, and now just the bitfield link.. so the rest of it has to come from tooltip scanning and such... |
| 09:25.27 | Zhinjio | bitfield contains what? |
| 09:25.36 | Zhinjio | or should I just go look at the SV file |
| 09:25.39 | orionshock | hyper compress set to spell id flags |
| 09:25.45 | orionshock | it's new in wrath |
| 09:25.48 | orionshock | should be on PTR |
| 09:26.12 | Zhinjio | guh. ok |
| 09:26.21 | Zhinjio | well, its moot, since I don't have time. |
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| 09:26.29 | orionshock | hehe |
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| 09:29.15 | whatsinthename | 0[1-9]|1[012] regexp should match any number between 01-12 right? |
| 09:30.30 | Zhinjio | I'll try to think of other things that might be interesting to see in there, and let you know. In the meantime, I'm gonna keep pushing it down their throats. Its pretty damn useful. |
| 09:31.58 | SunTsu | whatsinthename: I think so |
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| 09:32.53 | whatsinthename | 0[1-9] is working and 1[012] working separately, but the | messes the regexp up :8 |
| 09:32.57 | Tamaroth | hmm, in AceConfig, if i have node type 'toggle' gow can i recognize if it's set without using get and set ? |
| 09:33.31 | ktwo | what would you think is better suited vor holypaladin pvp (on live realms): Improved Devotion aura or Redoubt.. i cant decide about that >.> |
| 09:34.33 | Zhinjio | imp.devo |
| 09:36.28 | Maldivia | whatsinthename: just group it |
| 09:37.55 | orionshock | Tamaroth: considering you control the get/set functions.. just look up the values internaly |
| 09:39.15 | Maldivia | whatsinthename: /(0[0-9])|(1[012])/ |
| 09:40.54 | Tamaroth | orionshock: but how can i recognize that this specific checkbox has been checked ? |
| 09:41.43 | whatsinthename | string.match("10/","(0[1-9])|(1[012])/") still aint working :8 |
| 09:41.57 | orionshock | the status of a checkbox is determined by the get() function; that function has to look up a value and return true / false / nil |
| 09:41.57 | Zhinjio | Tamaroth: whether or not it is checked is based on the state of some value, right? |
| 09:42.08 | Zhinjio | quiets down. |
| 09:42.29 | orionshock | so in your 2nd toggle, do that lookup; granted u'll have to use a different get function than the first |
| 09:43.21 | Tifi | whatsinthename, i dont think there's an OR in lua patterns |
| 09:44.10 | Arrowmaster | there isnt |
| 09:44.12 | Maldivia | whatsinthename: ohh, lua doesn't support regex or |
| 09:44.17 | whatsinthename | >.> |
| 09:44.22 | whatsinthename | ./cry |
| 09:44.24 | Maldivia | whatsinthename: lua doesn't have regex, it has patterns |
| 09:44.47 | orionshock | tho it has "?" that could work the same way |
| 09:45.10 | Maldivia | why not just tonumber it and check if >= 1 and <= 12 ? |
| 09:45.11 | Arrowmaster | trust me, you are no where close to the level of wanting to cry over lua pattern matching that i am |
| 09:46.01 | Maldivia | conforts Arrowmaster |
| 09:46.02 | whatsinthename | i am afraid if i spend so much time working on lua regexp, i will definately mess up my perl regexps |
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| 09:47.42 | Arrowmaster | its just a much simpler form of regex |
| 09:47.43 | whatsinthename | how can u make ? work that way orion? |
| 09:48.28 | whatsinthename | maldivia: the goal is to parse a user inputted date into dd/mm/yy |
| 09:48.29 | Tifi | "(0[1-9])?(1[012])?" matches 0812 so i don't think that works |
| 09:48.29 | Arrowmaster | i do agree that you should compare it and not rely on the pattern to do the 1-12 check for you |
| 09:49.40 | whatsinthename | i guess i can just extract the digits and do a if structure to check if numbers conform, sigh |
| 09:49.54 | charon | lua> ("abaaa"):find("(ab)*") |
| 09:49.55 | lua_bot | charon: nil |
| 09:50.34 | Tifi | '(%d+)/(%d+)/(%d+)' |
| 09:50.41 | charon | hmh |
| 09:51.20 | charon | if that doesn't match, then what language does (ab)* describe? |
| 09:51.21 | Maldivia | lua> local d, m, y = string.match("12/03/08", "(%d%d)/(%d%d)/(%d%d)") if y then d,m,y=tonumber(d),tonumber(m),tonumber(y) if d >= 1 and d <= 31 and m >= 1 and m <= 12 then print(d .. " - " .. m .. " - " .. y) else print("Bad date") end end |
| 09:51.21 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 12 - 3 - 8 |
| 09:52.05 | Arrowmaster | lua> local d, m, y = string.match("12/03/08", "(%d%d)/(%d%d)/(%d%d)") return type(d), type(m), type(y) |
| 09:52.05 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: string, string, string |
| 09:52.07 | whatsinthename | exactly tifi |
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| 09:52.22 | Arrowmaster | swore that should have been number.... |
| 09:52.37 | Maldivia | whatsinthename: something like that ? |
| 09:52.39 | whatsinthename | nah arrow caps are always strings...right? |
| 09:52.55 | Maldivia | always strings - or nil |
| 09:53.21 | whatsinthename | maldivia: yeah |
| 09:53.33 | Arrowmaster | im just forgetful |
| 09:54.06 | Arrowmaster | although if somebody that really knew me heard me say that id be getting slapped |
| 09:54.15 | Maldivia | whatsinthename: can always spice it up with [/.-] to allow different delimiters : |
| 09:55.10 | Maldivia | slaps Arrowmaster |
| 09:55.21 | Maldivia | ... not that I really know you, but I don't pass such an oppotunity :) |
| 09:56.10 | Maldivia | slaps himself for not being able to spell opportunity |
| 10:00.56 | Tifi | is it possible to use a different torrent app instead of this horrible blizzard background downloader? |
| 10:01.51 | Maldivia | yes |
| 10:02.22 | Maldivia | any normal BT client will work - only thing you'll be missing is the web-seeds |
| 10:03.47 | Tifi | cool and where can i get a .torrent file? |
| 10:04.44 | Arrowmaster | the cache folder |
| 10:05.14 | Tifi | nice thanks |
| 10:05.15 | Maldivia | depends which patch you're downloading? |
| 10:05.24 | Maldivia | ohh background - then cache :9 |
| 10:05.37 | Maldivia | or if vista, public documents\blizzard something\cache |
| 10:05.45 | Arrowmaster | eww vista |
| 10:06.41 | Tamaroth | vista rock |
| 10:06.57 | Tamaroth | because you can taunt people who don't like it with it |
| 10:07.02 | Tifi | yay a windows discussion |
| 10:07.26 | Arrowmaster | can i taunt you with http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html ? |
| 10:07.50 | Tamaroth | nope |
| 10:07.53 | Tamaroth | it's too long |
| 10:07.57 | Tamaroth | cba to read it |
| 10:07.57 | Tamaroth | :) |
| 10:08.35 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: problem with that paper is, it's more than a year old, and Microsoft have chanced some of it since (but not all) |
| 10:09.09 | Arrowmaster | they havent changed a damn thing about whats mostly covered in that paper |
| 10:09.19 | Tamaroth | it's a bit too geeky for me |
| 10:09.29 | Tamaroth | or nerdy |
| 10:09.39 | Tamaroth | or even both |
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| 10:16.31 | Tamaroth | stupid question |
| 10:16.47 | Tamaroth | can i, in array, set up values like this: |
| 10:17.13 | Tamaroth | local some_array = { "text1" = true, ....etc } ? |
| 10:17.23 | Tifi | no |
| 10:17.28 | Tamaroth | bugger! |
| 10:17.36 | Tifi | { text1 = true, ....etc } |
| 10:17.44 | Tamaroth | yeah, that i know |
| 10:17.48 | Tifi | or { ['text1'] = true, ....etc } |
| 10:18.09 | Tamaroth | i was wondering if it can be 2 works |
| 10:18.18 | Tamaroth | s/works/words |
| 10:18.21 | Tifi | or local x = 'text1'; local some_array = { [x] = true, ....etc } |
| 10:18.42 | Tamaroth | like 'Small text' ? |
| 10:20.03 | Tifi | sure { ['Small text'] = true, ....etc } |
| 10:22.33 | Tamaroth | hmm, nice! |
| 10:23.26 | Maldivia | the key can be anything - not just strings :9 |
| 10:23.47 | Tifi | ah 300kb/s much better |
| 10:24.30 | Maldivia | example: s = { "sample", "table"} t = { [s] = "string indexed by another table" } |
| 10:24.39 | Tifi | lua> {[function() end]=1} |
| 10:24.40 | lua_bot | Tifi: table: 0x8082be8 |
| 10:25.02 | Tamaroth | mhmm, good to knoe |
| 10:25.04 | Tamaroth | know |
| 10:27.56 | Tamaroth | and can i complex it a bit more ? like this |
| 10:28.34 | Tamaroth | t = { ["test test"] = { true, "abc" }, ... } ? |
| 10:28.42 | Tamaroth | :) |
| 10:28.58 | Tifi | sure |
| 10:29.15 | Tamaroth | how i get access to sub array then ? |
| 10:29.31 | Tamaroth | i just make new array and z = t["test test"] ? |
| 10:29.42 | Tamaroth | z[0] etc ? |
| 10:29.46 | Tifi | either t["test test"] or use a for loop |
| 10:30.01 | [SW]Dodge | t["test test"][0] |
| 10:30.08 | [SW]Dodge | s/0/1/ |
| 10:30.23 | Tifi | lua> t = { ["test test"] = { true, "abc" }} print(t["test test"][1]) |
| 10:30.24 | lua_bot | Tifi: true |
| 10:30.27 | Tifi | lua> t = { ["test test"] = { true, "abc" }} print(t["test test"][2]) |
| 10:30.27 | lua_bot | Tifi: abc |
| 10:30.40 | Tamaroth | goodie :) |
| 10:30.49 | [SW]Dodge | lua> t = { ["test test"] = { true, "abc" }} print(t["test test"]) |
| 10:30.50 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: table: 0x8082db0 |
| 10:30.58 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 10:31.11 | Tamaroth | wooo, we have address :) |
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| 10:31.16 | Tifi | ./msg lua_bot > t = { ["test test"] = { true, "abc" }} print(t["test test"][2]) |
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| 10:31.56 | Tamaroth | didn't even know that this bot could do that |
| 10:32.01 | Tamaroth | does it work on query as well ? |
| 10:32.12 | Tifi | yes |
| 10:32.17 | Tamaroth | great! |
| 10:32.19 | [SW]Dodge | cool :D |
| 10:32.24 | Tifi | just prepend lua code with > |
| 10:32.33 | Fisker- | Ellipsis my Ellipsis |
| 10:32.33 | Tamaroth | mhm |
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| 10:34.29 | wraithan | ok almost done getting setup! |
| 10:34.39 | wraithan | hope wow works when this is done... lol |
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| 10:36.20 | Nimbal | Hi everyone. I have a small problem with AceDB-3.0. I have set up the following defaults: http://ace.pastey.net/96535. Now, when I do something like this: http://ace.pastey.net/96536, you can see from the value names what happens (or doesn't happen). |
| 10:38.27 | Arrowmaster | you might be better to use ["*"] instead of ["**"] |
| 10:39.26 | Arrowmaster | unless im not seeing the problem |
| 10:39.29 | Tamaroth | hmm, i'm new to this, but didn't you loose .profile ? |
| 10:39.49 | Tamaroth | like db.profile.group1.group1Member.anotherKey = "isNotSaved" |
| 10:40.03 | Tamaroth | (but then again, i'm totally new, so what i know :D) |
| 10:40.08 | Arrowmaster | he probably did 'local db = self.db.profile' |
| 10:40.14 | Tamaroth | mhm |
| 10:40.17 | Nimbal | Ah, yes, you're right. I forgot the .profile in the pastey. |
| 10:40.33 | Nimbal | And "*" wouldn't work, because I also want to populate sibling tables |
| 10:41.31 | Nimbal | Like a "groupMember2" or something that's added later. I should also have the same properties as my "**" table in group1 |
| 10:42.20 | Nimbal | Uhm... "It should also have..." I mean |
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| 10:49.24 | nocts | So I'm thinking of making a druid. How are they pre-70 pvp? |
| 10:50.09 | wraithan | resto/feral/balance? |
| 10:50.36 | nocts | Let's say I'd try all three. |
| 10:50.45 | nocts | I'm a closet furryH^H^H^H^H^Hdruid |
| 10:51.45 | wraithan | well, resto or feral would be fun, but balance would just kinda get torn up |
| 10:52.31 | nocts | Honestly, if I wanted range dps I'd go mage./ |
| 10:52.44 | wraithan | resto has survivability and you can keep somoene up for a long time, and feral you have rogue, travel, and tank form |
| 10:53.26 | nocts | When does resto really shine, aside from 70? |
| 10:53.35 | wraithan | not sure |
| 10:53.51 | wraithan | only played friends druids, never leveled one |
| 10:54.31 | nocts | Looking to twink, really. |
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| 10:57.02 | Zhinjio | heya nocts |
| 10:57.08 | Maldivia | hopefully balance will be getting its boost in one of the next to beta builds |
| 10:57.59 | nocts | Zhinjio: I love you like a fat kid loves Knight Rider |
| 10:58.31 | Zhinjio | I'm fairly certain Ihave no idea what that means. But it sounds nice. |
| 11:00.49 | nocts | Ellipsis doesn't know what knight rider is. |
| 11:00.57 | Zhinjio | omg |
| 11:00.58 | Tifi | Nimbal, did you get it to work? |
| 11:01.50 | Nimbal | I think so. Saving the value on PLAYER_LOGOUT doesn't work, saving it during play does. Don't ask me why. |
| 11:02.19 | Arrowmaster | thats because AceDB-3.0 does stuff on PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 11:03.01 | Arrowmaster | i think theres a callback thats fired right before it does its stuff though |
| 11:03.38 | Tifi | http://ace.pastey.net/96537 |
| 11:03.47 | Tifi | faking the logout |
| 11:04.05 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: what am I missing? nocts is totally freaking out about this knight rider thing |
| 11:04.11 | Nimbal | Oh... well, that explains it. Though it is strange why it worked when I first saved something into a subtable. Thanks for the hint. |
| 11:04.30 | wraithan | Ellipsis: wtf |
| 11:04.33 | Arrowmaster | Tifi: dont do stuff like taht |
| 11:04.41 | wraithan | Ellipsis: you don't know what knight rider is |
| 11:04.43 | wraithan | ? |
| 11:04.51 | Tifi | I R HAXXOR |
| 11:04.54 | Ellipsis | no |
| 11:05.00 | wraithan | Ellipsis: KITT? |
| 11:05.02 | Ellipsis | I guess I'm too young for it |
| 11:05.03 | Tifi | just for testing ofc |
| 11:05.12 | wraithan | Ellipsis: how old are you again? |
| 11:05.15 | Ellipsis | 19 |
| 11:05.22 | wraithan | I am only 2 years older |
| 11:05.30 | wraithan | and they just started the show back up! |
| 11:05.36 | wraithan | hulu.com |
| 11:05.37 | Ellipsis | according to wikipedia it ended in 86, so...yeah |
| 11:05.45 | Arrowmaster | im 22 and i used to watch knight rider all the time when i was young |
| 11:05.46 | Tifi | http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Knight_Rider/david_hasselhoff_knight_rider_kitt__2_.jpg |
| 11:06.01 | Ellipsis | I also didn't have cable growing up, so...I didn't watch much tv I guess? |
| 11:06.02 | nocts | KITT >= H.A.L. |
| 11:06.09 | Arrowmaster | i didnt have cable either |
| 11:06.14 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have cable tv |
| 11:06.23 | Arrowmaster | i watched it on latenight tv |
| 11:06.46 | wraithan | Ellipsis: hulu.com has the new knight rider show |
| 11:06.58 | Ellipsis | I don't *want* to watch it...I think it sounds stupid |
| 11:07.00 | wraithan | though it isn't as good it will give you an idea |
| 11:07.15 | wraithan | wtf. an intelligent car sounds stupid to you? |
| 11:07.22 | Ellipsis | exactly like star wars or final fantasy....people get all worked up over something that has no actual value |
| 11:07.32 | wraithan | ... |
| 11:07.38 | Elkano | anyone into statistics? http://www.austinthirdgen.org/upload/piechart.jpg |
| 11:07.42 | Arrowmaster | leave our cult classics alone! |
| 11:08.09 | Zhinjio | Elkano: awesomesauce. |
| 11:08.09 | nocts | It has value, just not to you. |
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| 11:08.56 | Elkano | oh, and thanks for bringing up knight rider... reminds me I wanted to check if they continued after the pilot |
| 11:09.01 | Arrowmaster | tifi, Nimbal: AceDB-3.0 fires a OnDatabaseShutdown callback that you should use instead of PLAYER_LOGOUT |
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| 11:09.13 | Ellipsis | nocts: they suck, star wars doubly so |
| 11:09.22 | Tifi | sure but you have to /rl for that |
| 11:09.28 | Tifi | which sucks |
| 11:09.38 | Arrowmaster | Tifi: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:09.38 | Elkano | oh, ok, wiki just told me it will start this week ^^' |
| 11:09.39 | wraithan | Elkano: well the first ep's acting/quality pretty much sucke |
| 11:09.55 | Elkano | I saw the pilot, that's why I asked ^^ |
| 11:10.03 | Tifi | just testing/debugging not real code |
| 11:10.06 | nocts | Ellipsis: To you. |
| 11:10.18 | wraithan | Elkano: you talking about eh first ep or the tv movie thing? |
| 11:10.21 | nocts | They hold plenty of value to teh rest of us. |
| 11:10.45 | Tifi | there's no other way since removeDefaults is a local |
| 11:10.48 | Zhinjio | something tells me this is like talking to Ellipsis about credit cards. |
| 11:10.53 | nocts | ^ |
| 11:11.07 | wraithan | Zhinjio: never done that, is it fun? |
| 11:11.14 | Elkano | that movie was the pilot |
| 11:11.28 | Zhinjio | I will reserve judgement and let you experience its wonder onto yourself. |
| 11:11.31 | Kalroth | What's wrong with Ellipsis' credit cards? |
| 11:11.33 | wraithan | Elkano: Ah ok, well they had a episode that wasn't that movie, and it sucked lol |
| 11:11.37 | thul | THEY ARE EMPTY |
| 11:11.41 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: I don't have them and I refuse to :P |
| 11:11.42 | nocts | She's 15k in debt. |
| 11:11.52 | Kalroth | Compulsive shoe shopper, eh? |
| 11:11.59 | Ellipsis | however I would gladly borrow someone else's to slice nocts up with |
| 11:12.02 | wraithan | I don't have credit cards... *shrug* |
| 11:12.08 | nocts | Same. |
| 11:12.13 | nocts | Still use credit though. |
| 11:12.15 | Kalroth | I couldn't live without them, I never have cash on me |
| 11:12.30 | wraithan | debt card |
| 11:12.32 | nocts | ^ |
| 11:12.32 | Ellipsis | yeah tbvh I don't believe in credit or loans in any form |
| 11:12.37 | nocts | ^ lies |
| 11:12.42 | Zhinjio | and thus the discussion begins. |
| 11:12.44 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 11:12.47 | Zhinjio | and.... go. |
| 11:12.49 | wraithan | Ellipsis: good luck with that if you want to ever buy a house |
| 11:12.50 | Ellipsis | blames Zhinjio |
| 11:12.50 | thul | Ellipsis: many people use the term "credit card" about both credits and debits. |
| 11:12.51 | Zhinjio | grins. |
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| 11:13.05 | Kalroth | thul: yes, it's that here |
| 11:13.05 | wraithan | thul: agreed |
| 11:13.09 | Ellipsis | wraithan: if I don't have the money to pay for a house, then I can't afford a house. seems simple enough to me |
| 11:13.15 | thul | Ellipsis: that said, if you want a car, house, university education.. etc. |
| 11:13.24 | Kalroth | I got money on my account, so while it's a creditcard, I don't owe anyone anything |
| 11:13.24 | Zhinjio | hehheheeee |
| 11:13.28 | Ellipsis | thul: all of those are offered to me for free, I don't see why people have such trouble with them :P |
| 11:13.31 | thul | Ellipsis: well, that is not very sound economical (or community) reasoning. |
| 11:13.34 | Zhinjio | its so funny that this discussion proceeds exactly the same way every time. |
| 11:13.38 | Ellipsis | it is |
| 11:13.43 | Zhinjio | and ends in the same place every time. |
| 11:13.45 | nocts | Ellipsis: The problem with that is modern economics. Most of the public can never pay for the house in direct cash, due to the payment situation for the majority of America. |
| 11:13.45 | Zhinjio | I love it. |
| 11:13.46 | Ellipsis | it's like people believe that spending money they don't have is the right way to go about things |
| 11:13.50 | nocts | ^ Not true. |
| 11:14.01 | thul | Ellipsis: not really, loan financing is a very basic and needed structure in the financial market :-) |
| 11:14.01 | Ellipsis | nocts: most of the public shouldn't be BUYING houses if they can't AFFORD them. |
| 11:14.02 | Kalroth | I'm not on about loans or anything, I'm just saying that I can't live without the piece of plastic. Call it what you want. :) |
| 11:14.06 | nocts | You're assuming people can just roll around in $200k and buy a house. |
| 11:14.12 | nocts | Ellipsis: And where are they supposed to live, then O.o |
| 11:14.14 | Ellipsis | if they don't have the money they shouldn't spend it |
| 11:14.17 | Ellipsis | it's quite simple |
| 11:14.18 | nocts | Riight. |
| 11:14.22 | Ellipsis | you rent if you can't afford to own |
| 11:14.22 | thul | Ellipsis: it is not that simple :-) |
| 11:14.27 | thul | I think you know it, I think most here know it |
| 11:14.28 | Zhinjio | laughs. |
| 11:14.32 | thul | therefore, this troll session is over. |
| 11:14.38 | wraithan | Renting is just throwing away your money |
| 11:14.40 | thul | threw the first, last and eternal rock. |
| 11:15.02 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Uhm, how is renting different from a loan? That seems kind of silly. |
| 11:15.16 | Kalroth | when you rent you pay a landlord, when you loan you pay a bank. |
| 11:15.18 | Tifi | a loan is like renting money |
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| 11:15.36 | wraithan | Most times you pay in advance for renting a place |
| 11:15.36 | Ellipsis | thul: I have yet to borrow any money or ever have a credit card or anything, so if you say so :P |
| 11:15.41 | wraithan | so it is different |
| 11:15.54 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: renting is different because the money you are giving the landlord is YOURS |
| 11:16.01 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Your life is wastly different from the majority of people, you should feel lucky :) |
| 11:16.09 | nocts | She doesn't have the economical and soloist grasp of the world to get it. Don't bother. |
| 11:16.12 | Ellipsis | buying a house with a loan is spending the bank's money and HOPING you'll later have the money to pay them back |
| 11:16.15 | Kalroth | no, the money you give the bank is YOURS too :) |
| 11:16.39 | Kalroth | And when borrowing money from the bank, it's the bank taking the risk, not you |
| 11:16.43 | wraithan | Kalroth: it is different because you are paying in advance to use the space, I can uderstand how she came to tha conculsion |
| 11:16.44 | Kalroth | (hence the latest crashes) |
| 11:16.46 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: I won't deny that I'm lucky to be in the situation I'm in - but if I were in any other person's shoes I'd make the same choices |
| 11:16.55 | nocts | And die. |
| 11:17.00 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Not many people got those options. |
| 11:17.01 | wraithan | Ellipsis: yeah, you say that. |
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| 11:17.16 | Ellipsis | I would rather be homeless than be in debt living somewhere I couldn't afford |
| 11:17.23 | nocts | You're in the wrong timeline. |
| 11:17.45 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: I'm really sorry |
| 11:17.50 | Zhinjio | giggles s'more. |
| 11:17.50 | Ellipsis | glares at Zhinjio |
| 11:18.10 | Zhinjio | I didn't mean to start it. |
| 11:18.43 | wraithan | Ellipsis: While you may think that the loan stuff is wrong, can you see the advantages, where you are not throwing your money into a blackhole that is rent, and instead are making payments towards a house you are living in? |
| 11:19.00 | Ellipsis | wraithan: I'd rather live in an affordable place and save up money towards buying that house |
| 11:19.06 | nocts | ^ On the streets. |
| 11:19.07 | wraithan | Ellipsis: not possible. |
| 11:19.11 | nocts | You have no way of saving up money, Ellipsis. |
| 11:19.14 | nocts | You've no income. |
| 11:19.15 | Ellipsis | in my (silly backwards) mind, you earn the money and THEN you spend it |
| 11:19.22 | Ellipsis | nocts: this is a hypothetical, not me personally |
| 11:19.28 | Ellipsis | obviously I would get a house through different means |
| 11:19.28 | nocts | Ellipsis: No, this is reality. |
| 11:19.40 | wraithan | Ellipsis: you would have to be living a an absolute dump of a place to be able to save up the kind of money it takes to buy a house |
| 11:19.45 | Ellipsis | in reality it's a moot point because you know perfectly well I will never be at a loss for money |
| 11:19.51 | Ellipsis | wraithan: not really |
| 11:19.53 | wraithan | and even then it would be REALLY REALLY hard |
| 11:19.56 | Tamaroth | i supose there's no foreach in lua ? |
| 11:19.57 | nocts | Right, someone will always pay for yo. I already got that. |
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| 11:20.08 | Ellipsis | nocts: don't you dare start that |
| 11:20.22 | Tifi | Tamaroth, no |
| 11:20.44 | Tifi | use pairs |
| 11:21.00 | Kalroth | My aunt bought a house ~10 years ago for ~$350k. She paid it off while living there. Last year she sold it for $500k. |
| 11:21.13 | Kalroth | And she borrowed the money to buy it of course. |
| 11:21.20 | Ellipsis | well good for her |
| 11:21.25 | nocts | "credit only shows that it's spending money you don't have" - Inaccurate. |
| 11:21.25 | Kalroth | I guess she'd have been better off being homeless, eh? :) |
| 11:21.30 | Tamaroth | Tifi: pairs ? |
| 11:21.32 | Ellipsis | I still think that's terribly dumb and irresponsible |
| 11:21.38 | wraithan | Ellipsis: well the words and stances you are taking are a childs view on how things work in this world, you are seeing things from the eyes of someone who has never worked to support themself |
| 11:21.55 | Tifi | for k,v in pairs({...}) do ... end |
| 11:22.07 | Tamaroth | oh |
| 11:22.08 | Zhinjio | wraithan: thats not exactly true. I'll agree its naive, but its really got very little to do with her particular situation. |
| 11:22.17 | Ellipsis | wraithan: if you say so. my parents have never used credit and always bought cars/houses/etc. in cash, and that's real to me. |
| 11:22.24 | Tifi | lua> for k,v in pairs({'a','b'}) do print(v) end |
| 11:22.24 | Zhinjio | and as you're seeing, its actually hard to argue her out of it. |
| 11:22.25 | lua_bot | Tifi: a, b |
| 11:22.52 | Maldivia | lua> for k,v in next, {'a', 'b'} do print(v) end |
| 11:22.52 | lua_bot | Maldivia: a, b |
| 11:22.56 | wraithan | Ellipsis: 20 years ago you could get a decent house and land for 20k |
| 11:23.05 | Zhinjio | you still can in some places in the country |
| 11:23.12 | wraithan | maybe closer to 30 years ago |
| 11:23.13 | Zhinjio | and may again soon if the housing market crashes again |
| 11:23.14 | Ellipsis | wraithan: they didn't stop buying cars and houses 20 years ago |
| 11:23.36 | wraithan | Ellipsis: but they had their money in something that boomed, their property already |
| 11:23.52 | Ellipsis | if you say so |
| 11:23.54 | wraithan | so as their house they had already bought grew in value, so did their wealth |
| 11:24.04 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: here's a question for you... do you believe in investing? |
| 11:24.07 | Zhinjio | in anything? |
| 11:24.17 | Zhinjio | stocks, bonds, anything where risk is involved? |
| 11:24.25 | Ellipsis | I am not the type of person to take risks, really |
| 11:24.31 | Kalroth | boooring! |
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| 11:24.44 | wraithan | they invested (just approx) 20k and the that sameplace today would probably be worth 200k |
| 11:24.59 | Zhinjio | so now that is specific to you. |
| 11:25.00 | Kalroth | however I don't do investments myself, I like simple stuff :p |
| 11:25.21 | Kalroth | money in bank, set interest fee, go |
| 11:25.23 | Zhinjio | do you understand investments, and how they function at least? whether you would personally do them or not? |
| 11:26.15 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: vaguely, yes...though I don't have firsthand experience |
| 11:26.34 | Ellipsis | I don't tend to handle money much |
| 11:26.42 | Zhinjio | because ultimately, all investments ... including bank accounts, adn loans... all work on the same principle. |
| 11:26.55 | Ellipsis | sort of, yes |
| 11:26.59 | Zhinjio | you're accepting risk X on your current value, hoping for future value that is greater. |
| 11:27.18 | Ellipsis | but most forms of credit that I know of are, much like the lottery, "a tax on people who can't do math" |
| 11:27.20 | Zhinjio | the world's economy, like it or not... is based on that principle. |
| 11:28.00 | Kalroth | it's (usually) risk vs reward - low risk, low reward |
| 11:28.16 | wraithan | Ellipsis: I can do math very well, as can a good poriton of my family, my parents have manged to buy 2 houses via loans, there were times when things were tight, just as they would have been if they had been paying rent, but they got their houses |
| 11:28.33 | Zhinjio | theproblem with rent is that there is NO reward. |
| 11:28.46 | wraithan | exactly, it is a black hole |
| 11:28.46 | Zhinjio | you get a place to live, thats it. |
| 11:28.54 | Kalroth | Yup, exactly - renting is throwing money out the window every month. |
| 11:28.57 | Zhinjio | a house is an investment |
| 11:29.02 | wraithan | to a point though |
| 11:29.02 | Zhinjio | lkike any other |
| 11:29.03 | Ellipsis | which is why I would certainly avoid it if possible |
| 11:29.14 | Ellipsis | it was only an answer to the "what if you can't afford a house" question |
| 11:29.15 | Kalroth | A house, even one you borrowed money for and even one that's losing value is -still- better than renting |
| 11:29.26 | Ellipsis | I disagree |
| 11:29.38 | nocts | It's not worth it. She'll only view the argument from a hypothetical angle anyway. Just let it go. |
| 11:29.39 | Ellipsis | if I had to spend someone else's money to be able to live there, it's not better to me |
| 11:29.46 | Kalroth | Hence why I said that you're in a unique/special situation :) |
| 11:29.51 | Ellipsis | there's nothing wrong with theoretical arguments, nocts |
| 11:29.58 | nocts | Until reality hits. |
| 11:29.59 | Kalroth | Because that's how it works for the rest of the world |
| 11:30.10 | wraithan | Ellipsis: well the problem here is that we are arguing reality |
| 11:30.11 | Ellipsis | just because you only see the world as it is RIGHT NOW doesn't mean other people can't have opinions on hypothetical situations |
| 11:30.20 | Ellipsis | my reality is not relevant |
| 11:30.31 | Ellipsis | because as you all like to point out, it's far from what most people experience |
| 11:31.02 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: you're making a big mistake when you say that |
| 11:31.18 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Why's that? |
| 11:31.20 | Ellipsis | I am merely stating an opinion - that I would prefer to rent than borrow money to buy |
| 11:31.21 | wraithan | when do you expect (if ever) to start working? |
| 11:31.26 | Ellipsis | it CAN work that way for the rest of the world |
| 11:31.41 | Kalroth | Oh okay, fair enough. I thought it was how you lived. |
| 11:31.44 | Ellipsis | wraithan: were I a "normal" person,(12:15:17 PM) ms.banana@gmail.com/Home: my view is that the american system of expecting tips even for doing the bare minimum is stupid |
| 11:31.44 | Ellipsis | (12:16:01 PM) ms.banana@gmail.com/Home: and I prefer the way other countries handle it, where a service charge is included (or the employer actually pays the people their full wage) and tips are only given if the person does something extra |
| 11:31.46 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 11:31.47 | Ellipsis | fial |
| 11:32.12 | Kalroth | That's probably the worst mispaste ever! |
| 11:33.08 | Zhinjio | paying rent doesn't gain me any equity at all. I throw $1000/month into a hole, and nothing comes back out. With a mortgage, every $1000 gives me some small portion of that back in actual ownership. |
| 11:33.24 | wraithan | Zhinjio: not completely true but mostly |
| 11:33.24 | Zhinjio | and I have something to sell at the end of the dayu. |
| 11:33.40 | wraithan | Zhinjio: you need a good renters history to get a good rate on a loan |
| 11:33.56 | Kalroth | Zhinjio: Yes, you pay extra for that though. So you have to be 100% sure that you live there long enough to pay off the startup fees and interests. |
| 11:33.56 | Zhinjio | no. |
| 11:34.01 | Zhinjio | you need a good CREDIT history |
| 11:34.08 | Zhinjio | that doesn't mean rent, although that can certainly contribute. |
| 11:34.21 | nocts | Quite a few jobs do credit checks now, too. |
| 11:34.27 | Zhinjio | indeed. |
| 11:34.30 | nocts | Just for some form of employment stability. |
| 11:34.30 | wraithan | Zhinjio: care to argue with me? I worked for a loan angency for about a year, and my mom has been a underwriter for 10 years now |
| 11:34.43 | Zhinjio | anything requiring a gov't clearance mandates a credit check too |
| 11:35.03 | Shefki | Our monetary system is entirely dependent upon credit. |
| 11:35.15 | Shefki | Nobody borrowing = no money. |
| 11:35.22 | Zhinjio | sighs. I'm glad you feel you've got relevant experience. How nice for you. |
| 11:35.24 | Kalroth | Well duh, money itself is a credit. :) |
| 11:35.34 | Shefki | Correct. |
| 11:35.50 | wraithan | Zhinjio: trust me a good renters history is needed if you want a good rate, you can get a loan without a renters history if you can prove payments on something else signigificant (hundreds a month) for a duration of time |
| 11:36.00 | wraithan | without anything stating you can do that you wont get a lon. |
| 11:36.02 | wraithan | loan. |
| 11:36.11 | Zhinjio | perhaps not now. |
| 11:36.26 | wraithan | are we not talking about now? |
| 11:36.26 | Zhinjio | if you look at the last 5 years of bad loans, you'll find something else entirely |
| 11:36.32 | Jygga | lol ye "not anymore" is the correct term |
| 11:36.35 | Zhinjio | we are, sure. |
| 11:36.53 | wraithan | ok then, as a I said, you have to have a good renters history to get a loan. |
| 11:36.57 | Jygga | i mean its exactly that lending money to people who got NOTHING that made the US finance system shake ^^ |
| 11:37.21 | Zhinjio | well, thats oversimplifying... but yes, sure. |
| 11:37.28 | Zhinjio | the real criminals were in the bond markets |
| 11:37.33 | Zhinjio | but whatever. |
| 11:37.38 | Zhinjio | were/are |
| 11:38.32 | Codayus | And then there were the people who could repay a loan, but not the loan they got. Or who could easily repay their loan, but decided to just mail the keys back and find someplace to rent when a house price drop meant they had negative equity. And... |
| 11:38.42 | Codayus | ...well yeah. Lots of related issues. |
| 11:38.55 | Zhinjio | wraithan: further... I don't actually care much HOW you got your loan, what I was speaking about was the equity you gain in your principal once you are participating in that. |
| 11:39.29 | wraithan | I don't have a loan, what I am saying though is while renting is mostly throwing your money away, up to a point there is value in it |
| 11:39.52 | wraithan | so we are both right. |
| 11:40.09 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 11:40.13 | Codayus | Renting is by no means throwing your money away. Rent or buy, either way you are paying a lot for housing, and get nothing back except a place to live each week. |
| 11:40.29 | Codayus | You might ALSO get something else...or not. |
| 11:40.46 | Tamaroth | Tifi: wow, this pairs is great, thanks for info :) |
| 11:40.46 | Zhinjio | ok, I started it ... I'm going to stop participating in it again. Why do I do this to myself. |
| 11:40.55 | Zhinjio | and/or to Ellipsis ... did I apologize already? |
| 11:41.16 | Zhinjio | anything further, and there has to be beer involved. |
| 11:41.18 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 11:41.40 | Maldivia | ~seen Antiarc |
| 11:41.45 | purl | antiarc <n=Antiarc@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2h 59m 48s ago, saying: 'What Ellipsis said'. |
| 11:41.57 | Tifi | xD |
| 11:42.19 | Tamaroth | compressed my code from ~20 lines to 3 :) |
| 11:43.57 | Maldivia | are the 3 lines as readable and maintanable as the 20 lines then? |
| 11:44.03 | thul | Ellipsis: different forms of kredit is a neccecity for a modern society, most endavours larger than getting a sandwich involvs some sort of credit/debit solution. The fact that you don't recognize the utility in that is most propably beacause you are a girl, you are supposed to be sexy, cute and have kissable tits&ass. |
| 11:44.26 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 11:44.47 | wraithan | wow, while I realize that was supposed to be humor |
| 11:44.55 | Kalroth | way to be a chauvinist, thul :p |
| 11:44.57 | wraithan | that just came off very... fucktard |
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| 11:45.20 | thul | :-P |
| 11:45.22 | thul | Kalroth: that was _not_ my intention, AT ALL. |
| 11:45.28 | Kalroth | orly" |
| 11:45.36 | thul | wraithan: naaaaaaaw, don't take it like that :-( it was a good joke. |
| 11:45.59 | thul | I study among "I study gender politics and heteronormativity in a modern perspective"-people all week long, let me be a chauvinist on irc :-( |
| 11:46.31 | Kalroth | No, there's so few females online |
| 11:46.39 | Kalroth | You can't scare them away until there's boobies for everyone |
| 11:46.47 | Kalroth | hides. |
| 11:46.50 | thul | :-( |
| 11:47.15 | wraithan | Eh it was a discussion/argument that had nothing to do with gender... *shrug* |
| 11:47.23 | thul | wraithan: I know...? |
| 11:47.38 | thul | it was a jokingly attack on Ellipsis, I think she can handle it |
| 11:48.00 | wraithan | And like Kalroth said, there are so few girls who are willing to hang out with us geeks, lets not scare them away |
| 11:48.13 | thul | actually, I'm quite sure she can handle it :-P but I'm also sure she loves your knight in shining armor impression :-D |
| 11:48.35 | wraithan | She may not be the only girl in this channel though, keep that in mind |
| 11:49.04 | thul | that said, many leftist at my university have a very shallow understanding of economics, it annoys me. They want to abolish the "share company" concept/tool, beacause they think it it too easy to take advantage of it. |
| 11:49.04 | wraithan | I am all for making fun of folks |
| 11:49.09 | thul | such thoughts irritate me. |
| 11:49.59 | wraithan | communism is great, until you add humans to it |
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| 11:51.05 | Tamaroth | Maldivia: yes they are |
| 11:51.19 | Tamaroth | i had like tons of if's etc |
| 11:51.28 | Tamaroth | now i have one for with if inside :) |
| 11:51.51 | thul | well, they are not necessarily communists, (that too), it seems like they just don't realize the enourmous risk that is inheritive (what is the right word?) in larger enterprises |
| 11:52.32 | thul | Or, even worse, they want the state to pay for all initiatives (and get all the income). I think that they just don't realize the implications of that kind of solution. I might be condecending (I most often am), but still, it seems so. |
| 11:54.22 | thul | for nevcairiel : http://fc14.deviantart.com/fs37/i/2008/266/a/1/Fallen_leaf_by_cainadamsson.jpg <- picture of the day (no portrait :/ ) |
| 11:54.31 | Throngy | sanity check (at work so unable to test for myself): local GUID = LibStub("LibGUIDRegistry-0.1"); local class = GUID.GetClass(guid) |
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| 11:54.48 | Throngy | Should the "." be a ":"? |
| 11:55.14 | Throngy | <-- LUA nub |
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| 11:56.33 | Zhinjio | excellent. I beat my ram racing record. 13 barrels today, and that was WITH one ram fatiguie |
| 11:56.36 | Zhinjio | fatigue |
| 11:56.43 | Zhinjio | I think 14 is probably the maximum. |
| 11:56.44 | Codayus | wraithan: Oh, no. Communism works with people. Up to roughly 150 or so. It's called Dunbar's number. |
| 11:56.53 | Zhinjio | I can see no further optimizations in my route *grin* |
| 11:56.55 | Maldivia | Throngy: depends on how the method is created |
| 11:57.26 | Maldivia | Throngy: colon gives the table as the first argument to the function - ie table.function(table, a) is the same as table:function(a) |
| 11:58.40 | Maldivia | Throngy: but in your code, yeah - it should probably be colon, but can't remember the code to that lib |
| 11:58.44 | Throngy | Maldivia: It's decalared as function lib:GetClass(GUID) |
| 11:59.01 | Maldivia | then yeah, use : |
| 11:59.04 | Throngy | i did know this stuff a couple of weeks ago :/ |
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| 11:59.37 | Throngy | thanks for that, hopefully that's the bug i wasted most of yesterday on :) |
| 12:00.48 | Tifi | are there different ram racing tracks for horde and alliance? |
| 12:02.17 | Maldivia | ofcourse not, horde have to go to ironforge and run around..... |
| 12:02.27 | Maldivia | :) |
| 12:05.47 | wraithan | Ah so . gives self? |
| 12:06.04 | wraithan | or am I confusing things? |
| 12:06.11 | Tifi | its just weird that the brewfest page on wowwiki doesnt make any distinction |
| 12:06.19 | winkiller | between what? |
| 12:06.24 | thul | canon 5d mkII ftw |
| 12:06.30 | Tifi | horde and alliance |
| 12:07.11 | Tifi | it would surprise me if the maximum number of barrels you can deliver were the same for both factions |
| 12:09.33 | Maldivia | wraithan: : gives self |
| 12:09.54 | Maldivia | wraithan: function lib:func(a) is the same as function lib.func(self, a) |
| 12:10.30 | Maldivia | wraithan: calling lib:func(a) is the same as calling lib.func(lib, a) |
| 12:11.14 | Tifi | semantically the same, but a:b() uses a special opcode |
| 12:11.43 | Tifi | a:b() is faster than a.b(a) |
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| 12:19.09 | Maldivia | Tifi: it's not faster |
| 12:20.05 | Maldivia | it's actually slower |
| 12:20.44 | wraithan | in either case using : or . because one is faster than the other is premature optimization... |
| 12:25.11 | Maldivia | t:func() does a few more checks to validate t, where . does not |
| 12:26.05 | wraithan | in most usage, can you feel the speed difference? |
| 12:27.24 | Maldivia | no |
| 12:27.40 | wraithan | then the speed difference is moot heh, just use what you need |
| 12:28.01 | Maldivia | well, the speed will be the same in the end |
| 12:28.37 | Josh_Borke | it doesn't matter! |
| 12:29.25 | Maldivia | exactly, the extra checks self does, are just done in the move in the non-self call instead |
| 12:29.30 | Maldivia | so the end result is the same |
| 12:30.29 | clad|away | I know the point is moot, but my testing proves otherwise, Maldavia, showing clearly that t:foo() is faster than t.foo(t) |
| 12:30.38 | Josh_Borke | clad|away: well you suck! |
| 12:30.57 | cladhaire | one flat to another |
| 12:31.02 | Josh_Borke | ah, ok |
| 12:31.10 | Josh_Borke | any particular reason? |
| 12:31.15 | Maldivia | clad: looking at the code, SELF is simply a combination of GETTABLE and MOVE, which is what's used for f.a(f) |
| 12:31.44 | cladhaire | Maldivia: But reality says otherwise, hence my response. |
| 12:31.53 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: new academic year |
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| 12:32.00 | cladhaire | lua> local s = os.clock(); local t = { foo = function(self) end }; for i=1,1e7 do t.foo(t) end; print(os.clock() - s) |
| 12:32.02 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 1.03 |
| 12:32.04 | cladhaire | lua> local s = os.clock(); local t = { foo = function(self) end }; for i=1,1e7 do t:foo() end; print(os.clock() - s) |
| 12:32.06 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 0.96 |
| 12:32.50 | Maldivia | it's the opcode execution overhead that becomes visible then |
| 12:33.04 | wraithan | not a well made test |
| 12:33.17 | cladhaire | wraithan: ? |
| 12:33.42 | wraithan | need access the variable in the function |
| 12:33.48 | cladhaire | no you don't.. |
| 12:33.54 | Josh_Borke | lua> local t = { foo = function(self) end }; local s1 = os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t:foo() end; time1= os.clock() - s1; s1=os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t.foo(t) end; time2=os.clock-s1; print((time2-time1)/1e7) |
| 12:33.56 | cladhaire | that's not how Lua works |
| 12:33.57 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'clock' (a function value) |
| 12:34.04 | Josh_Borke | lua> local t = { foo = function(self) end }; local s1 = os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t:foo() end; time1= os.clock() - s1; s1=os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t.foo(t) end; time2=os.clock()-s1; print((time2-time1)/1e7) |
| 12:34.07 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 6e-09 |
| 12:34.27 | cladhaire | that measures the overhead of the function prelude/call |
| 12:34.34 | cladhaire | no need to access a parameter to measure that |
| 12:34.54 | Josh_Borke | who you talking to willis? |
| 12:35.35 | cladhaire | I'm talking to wraithan |
| 12:35.54 | wraithan | perhaps I am used to languages that will optimize more, but you need to access the variable inside the function in order to be sure it is being passed along... you may think it is, but if you don't access it, perhaps it is getting optimized out |
| 12:36.18 | Maldivia | well, bahind the scene it's 1 opcode vs 2 opcodes, meaning double opcode overhead for non-self, so yeah there is a small difference, but still so small it has no meaning in normal scenarios |
| 12:36.28 | Josh_Borke | lua> local t = { foo = function(self) if (self) then else end; end }; local s1 = os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t:foo() end; time1= os.clock() - s1; s1=os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t.foo(t) end; time2=os.clock()-s1; print((time2-time1)/1e7) |
| 12:36.31 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 4e-09 |
| 12:36.37 | Throngy | readability should be the deciding factor in this case |
| 12:36.41 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 12:36.48 | cladhaire | but claiming that non : is faster is just plain wrong |
| 12:36.53 | cladhaire | I don't care how many opcodes it takes |
| 12:37.22 | Maldivia | cladhaire: yeah, I retracted that, because I missed an opcode in my initial sampling :9 |
| 12:37.32 | cladhaire | no problem, didn't see the retraction |
| 12:37.42 | cladhaire | wraithan: Lua doesn't do any optimization |
| 12:37.45 | cladhaire | quote literally |
| 12:37.55 | cladhaire | or rather it does some |
| 12:38.03 | cladhaire | but the optimizations it does are .. trivial to say the least |
| 12:38.09 | wraithan | Ah ok |
| 12:38.23 | wraithan | in some other languages that test you did would have been poorly written |
| 12:38.40 | cladhaire | well, I know Lua.. and it was the correct test for what we were discussing |
| 12:38.57 | wraithan | I don't know much about scripting to be quite honest, just learning still |
| 12:42.02 | wraithan | back to fixing up my tri-head setup |
| 12:42.50 | Maldivia | the lesson: some places, t.foo(t, bar) is preferable, and other places t:foo(bar) is preferable, choose what you like best, and the nano seconds gained using the one over the other will be wasted elsewhere anyway :) |
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| 12:44.21 | Throngy | class dismissed |
| 12:44.46 | Maldivia | Throngy: what's the topic of next class? |
| 12:45.04 | Tifi | lua> local t = { foo = function(self) if (self) then else end; end }; local s1 = os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do t:foo() end; time1= os.clock() - s1; local f=t.foo; s1=os.clock(); for i=1,1e7 do f(t) end; time2=os.clock()-s1; print((time2-time1)/1e7) |
| 12:45.07 | lua_bot | Tifi: -2.1e-08 |
| 12:45.45 | Tifi | not necessarily equivalent though |
| 12:46.09 | Maldivia | that's not an accurate comparison |
| 12:46.09 | Throngy | Death Knight isn't it? |
| 12:46.16 | Tifi | i know |
| 12:46.30 | Tifi | but it's the fastest way to call methods =) |
| 12:46.48 | Maldivia | if you're calling the same method a million times, yeeah |
| 12:47.03 | Maldivia | or well, 10 million times, as is the case here |
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| 12:47.42 | Maldivia | cladhaire: you play a druid, right? |
| 12:47.47 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 12:47.56 | Maldivia | done any raiding on beta? |
| 12:49.06 | Maldivia | or anythingh as resto |
| 12:49.57 | Obelixprime | anyone good with Perl? |
| 12:50.35 | sb | just ask... :p |
| 12:50.45 | Maldivia | Obelixprime: perl, as in unitframe or as in the scripting language? |
| 12:51.19 | Obelixprime | the scripting language |
| 12:51.19 | cladhaire | Maldivia: no, i'm full pvp so no raidinvg |
| 12:51.40 | Obelixprime | I'm looking through some source and I wanted to know what's the difference of instantiating an array using ( ) and using [ ] |
| 12:51.42 | Maldivia | cladhaire: ok - just had a fun bug in naxx10 raid last night :) |
| 12:51.48 | cladhaire | ooh anything cool? |
| 12:52.02 | Maldivia | cladhaire: ToL aura increased healing by around 300% instead of 6% :) |
| 12:52.13 | cladhaire | oooh :P |
| 12:52.13 | Maldivia | cladhaire: regrowth crits for 27k :) |
| 12:52.18 | cladhaire | hahah thats hot |
| 12:52.54 | Maldivia | a pallys LoH healed for 60k :) |
| 12:53.37 | Maldivia | but atleast, wild growth was useful again... just sad it was tikcing for less than old flourish :| |
| 12:55.56 | Maldivia | Obelixprime: as in @ar = (1, 2, 3) vs $ar[0] = 1; $ar[1] = 2; etc? |
| 12:59.46 | Stanzilla | !rating 1668 |
| 13:00.16 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan not online? that's just wrong.. |
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| 13:19.47 | nocts | http://www.hentaiey.com/amovie_series3_1-2.html |
| 13:19.53 | nocts | Okay, wrong channel |
| 13:19.58 | Kalroth | hahaha |
| 13:19.58 | nocts | shit |
| 13:20.07 | Josh_Borke | nsfw i take it? |
| 13:20.10 | Trell_ | ahahaha |
| 13:20.12 | Trell_ | owned. |
| 13:20.12 | Ellipsis | yes. very. |
| 13:20.15 | Trell_ | by yourself, no less |
| 13:20.33 | nocts | So I'll be enjoying myself tonight -.- |
| 13:21.01 | Jygga | uhm, regarding the brewfest ram racing, since that guy throws barrels at you even when you got your ram for another quest... do you get tokens for returning them? |
| 13:21.23 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 13:22.08 | Jygga | well i guess i wasted my daily or sth |
| 13:22.09 | Jygga | ^^ |
| 13:23.06 | Jygga | when i got the ride to take up the brd daily that guy threw another keg at me and i was wondering (didnt read the quest text ^^) |
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| 13:25.19 | ShaneSveller | Good morning all |
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| 13:34.28 | Throngy | morning |
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| 13:42.31 | [Liquidor] | How many characters can a character name be? (max length?) |
| 13:43.42 | [SW]Dodge | iirc 12 |
| 13:45.23 | ShaneSveller | Does anyone know if the frame for Broker_Professions for FA using Fortress is LegoFortressBroker_First_Aid ? or can anyone check? |
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| 14:01.19 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping - this is your reminder to upload that lib to wowinterface :D |
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| 14:04.59 | ShaneSveller | can someone tell me what a "Safe Zone" in oUF is? is that the same as the lag bar on Quartz? |
| 14:07.44 | orionshock | is there a thread or reference somewhere on how to use branch addons? |
| 14:08.19 | Maldivia | orionshock: pong, still at work :9 |
| 14:08.38 | orionshock | well im going to sleep, so i thought i'd poke you now incase i can't later :D |
| 14:08.58 | Maldivia | orionshock: well, I'll be going home in 30 minutes or so :) |
| 14:09.13 | orionshock | ah good timing then |
| 14:09.59 | Maldivia | I'll see if I can implement the black-list aswell before you're awake ) |
| 14:10.13 | Maldivia | what timezone are you in anyway? |
| 14:10.17 | orionshock | Maldivia: that would be awesome, |
| 14:10.25 | orionshock | i'd pay for a hooker if you would :D |
| 14:10.31 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.39 | Maldivia | ahh, ok |
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| 14:20.03 | CIA-58 | ShockAndAwe: - |
| 14:20.03 | CIA-58 | Version 2.22 |
| 14:20.03 | CIA-58 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.14 | mitch0 | didum |
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| 14:24.04 | KriLL3 | you can't complete a number of achievements prior to 3.0 right? Brewmaster for example, all the food and drink needed for it have a 2 day duration |
| 14:24.26 | KriLL3 | if I eat and drink it now I'll not get credit for it once 3.0 comes right? I'll have to repeat it next year? |
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| 14:26.43 | [SW]Dodge | i think you have to do it next year |
| 14:28.14 | Throngy | aye not everything can be tracked now |
| 14:28.33 | Throngy | if there's a quest that gets completed then there will be a record of that, or an item in your inventory |
| 14:28.41 | KriLL3 | kk, I'll buy the brew of the month membership, got the pet and I'll get as many clothing pieces I can manage |
| 14:28.56 | Throngy | but i doubt that there's any code to count "lol"s at the moment :) |
| 14:30.04 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 14:30.13 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: you allready got a mount?^^ |
| 14:30.26 | KriLL3 | not yet, it's damn low % drop |
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| 14:30.49 | [SW]Dodge | you can buy für 600tickets |
| 14:30.54 | Stanzilla | has teh kodo |
| 14:30.56 | [SW]Dodge | +10/100g |
| 14:31.07 | [SW]Dodge | 10g = normal 100g= epic |
| 14:31.19 | [SW]Dodge | for* |
| 14:31.29 | SunTsu | Stanzilla: There are guys on my realm that pay up to 5,000 gold for the person who wins the kodo and lets them have it |
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| 14:31.41 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 14:32.03 | SunTsu | That's the only reason I'd be interested in that thing ;) |
| 14:33.22 | Throngy | hmm might have to take a look at that - got corin's coin (woo shield slam) but not done any of the solo quests |
| 14:33.36 | [SW]Dodge | are there more than just the quests in ironforge/OG? |
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| 14:36.08 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: you can't buy the mount anymore |
| 14:36.17 | [SW]Dodge | not? |
| 14:36.20 | [SW]Dodge | :O |
| 14:36.35 | [SW]Dodge | q.q |
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| 14:44.29 | KriLL3 | no it's a low % drop of the elite boss in BRD |
| 14:44.47 | Groktar | an elite boss? |
| 14:44.50 | Groktar | that narrows it down |
| 14:44.58 | KriLL3 | indeed |
| 14:45.00 | FinalX | heheh |
| 14:45.26 | Throngy | corin |
| 14:45.26 | KriLL3 | 73 elite with 3 x70 adds and spawns more of em, plus some elite adds |
| 14:45.40 | Throngy | it's a fun fight |
| 14:45.46 | Throngy | those barrels really spice it up |
| 14:45.55 | KriLL3 | I was just confused during it |
| 14:46.00 | KriLL3 | seems the adds were totally random |
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| 14:46.14 | Industrial | thinks of a DO A BARREL ROLL joke but can't come up with one |
| 14:46.15 | Throngy | you always get the same 2 ladies |
| 14:46.16 | KriLL3 | I don't know how to avoid them or if it's worth it killing em or not |
| 14:46.44 | KriLL3 | seemed when we killed some more just replaced them, so I figured nuke the boss and avoid the rest |
| 14:46.45 | Throngy | i'm not sure about the 3 adds at the start, but all the others despawn when you kill the boss |
| 14:46.51 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 14:46.53 | Throngy | so just tank them and kill corin |
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| 14:46.57 | KriLL3 | we killed the 3 at the start then boss |
| 14:47.24 | KriLL3 | anyone knows the reset timer for the racing ram quest? |
| 14:47.39 | KriLL3 | the various sites says 12h but that's not correct |
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| 14:49.18 | SunTsu | Just keep adds off your healer |
| 14:49.49 | KriLL3 | ... I'm not retarded |
| 14:50.01 | Groktar | liar |
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| 15:02.22 | Industrial | lol Ellipsis |
| 15:02.24 | Industrial | i got a job |
| 15:02.27 | Industrial | its so unlike me |
| 15:02.28 | Industrial | -D |
| 15:02.29 | Industrial | =D |
| 15:04.16 | kagaro | i wish the kodo drop rate was higher |
| 15:05.45 | Ellipsis | Industrial: I hate you now |
| 15:05.55 | Ellipsis | before you were just not my friend |
| 15:05.57 | Ellipsis | now it's active hate |
| 15:06.12 | AckisWork | will a EU cd key work on US? |
| 15:06.24 | [SW]Dodge | AckisWork: i dont belive that |
| 15:06.36 | AckisWork | checks on the progress of LibBaby1.0 |
| 15:06.46 | AckisWork | is it still in development, or is it being installed? :P |
| 15:07.08 | Wobin | LibBaby? |
| 15:07.16 | AckisWork | lol yes |
| 15:07.24 | Wobin | Do I want to know? |
| 15:07.33 | AckisWork | probably not :) |
| 15:07.39 | AckisWork | Ellipsis will want to hit me though methinks |
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| 15:08.26 | Ellipsis | for some reason AckisWork seems to think I'm pregnant |
| 15:08.32 | Ellipsis | shrugs |
| 15:08.35 | [SW]Dodge | lol :D |
| 15:09.06 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 15:09.14 | AckisWork | nah |
| 15:09.37 | AckisWork | it was something about me bugging you and I said I was going to install libbaby in you or something, then everytime I think about libbaby I giggle irl |
| 15:10.55 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: Because you are? ;) |
| 15:11.05 | Ellipsis | I...am? |
| 15:11.08 | Ellipsis | do you know something I don't? |
| 15:11.24 | AckisWork | omg Ellipsis!!!! grats!!! |
| 15:11.30 | AckisWork | I hope it's twins! |
| 15:12.59 | AckisWork | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=15034.msg242862#new |
| 15:15.16 | Wobin | PS Ackis |
| 15:15.28 | Wobin | Doesn't the installation of LibBaby come before the development? |
| 15:15.45 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:16.17 | Ellipsis | yeah but the disembedding process is a bitch |
| 15:16.29 | AckisWork | haha |
| 15:17.19 | Wobin | Yeah, I hear people tend to blame the installer for the disembedding issues |
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| 15:19.55 | Josh_Borke | these innuendos are too much |
| 15:23.00 | Throngy | anyone got a link to the wow programming book on amazon that i can use to get someone nice a click? |
| 15:23.12 | Throngy | (that made sense in my head) |
| 15:23.16 | kai|work | Ellipsis, there will be NO children in my house |
| 15:23.19 | kai|work | mmmkay? |
| 15:23.36 | kai|work | unless they are used for the pudding.. |
| 15:23.42 | AckisWork | ~wowprogamming |
| 15:24.07 | Gnarfoz | Throngy: there's links on wowprogramming.com |
| 15:24.11 | AckisWork | I fail |
| 15:24.37 | Throngy | Gnarfoz: thanks |
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| 15:33.20 | Wraithan | bleh don't really feel like starting up my own project and doing all that crap, anyone got a decent project with a bug db for me to dig into? |
| 15:33.55 | Ellipsis | jira.wowace.com |
| 15:33.57 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 15:35.14 | thul | bugs are creepy |
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| 15:40.16 | Amadeo | creepy are bugs |
