| 00:00.49 | Daemoen | Antiarc: which file stores the chatter window coloring settings ? |
| 00:01.21 | Antiarc | Should be the chatter.lua file in savedvars |
| 00:04.43 | Camci | http://mrdoob.com/lab/youtube/superHD/ |
| 00:05.25 | sztanpet | lawl |
| 00:05.30 | digmouse | they remove glyph vendor in this restart? |
| 00:06.01 | Dashkal | Did they put back only to remove it again? Cause the one that appeared a couple builds back lasted about 2 days |
| 00:12.45 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r11 Prat-3.0.toc: Change libraries dependency to optional. |
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| 00:18.13 | Dashkal | Whoever decided to fark with DST can sit on a flaming turd bag... |
| 00:18.33 | Dashkal | I've had a persistant off by one hour time error that I _finally_ tracked down |
| 00:18.56 | Dashkal | Turns out I was accidentally using a JVM produced before the change. |
| 00:20.40 | ajmitch | it's that time of year.. |
| 00:31.59 | Daemoen | there, very minimal changes, but at least its all done now |
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| 00:37.58 | Facktotum | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8975-Coconuts.html |
| 00:38.02 | Facktotum | great addon name |
| 00:39.39 | sacarasc | clever |
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| 00:43.26 | sacarasc | hey Ackis, darling |
| 00:43.39 | Dashkal | ~rmallet Ackis |
| 00:43.40 | purl | ACTION beats Ackis about the head and shoulders with a rubber mallet |
| 00:43.42 | Ackis | allo |
| 00:43.49 | Ackis | only here for a few minutes |
| 00:44.01 | NeoTron | does purl have an auto-responder to ackis joining the channel? |
| 00:44.09 | sacarasc | yes |
| 00:44.15 | Ackis | aye |
| 00:48.35 | digmouse | purl loves ackis |
| 00:51.17 | Facktotum | time to pack and head to california |
| 00:51.20 | Ackis | leaving for the airport in about 30 mins, gotta finish packing, remember to look for the fat guy in a Canada hat at Blizzcon |
| 00:51.37 | Facktotum | i'll do that ackis |
| 00:51.50 | Facktotum | make sure i poke you |
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| 01:25.14 | digmouse | hey ackis dont forget to post pics |
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| 01:26.24 | chiper | ok, who broke cartographer and released it to curse? |
| 01:26.30 | chiper | :) |
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| 01:27.43 | Mytos | anyone else having problems with yata |
| 01:28.26 | chiper | I was when I tried to grab it off curse. went back to my backup on it |
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| 01:29.24 | Mytos | i grabbed it off wowace too and im still having them |
| 01:29.58 | Mytos | what version are you running so i can revert |
| 01:31.17 | chiper | huh... I think curse updated me today. crap |
| 01:31.25 | chiper | I haven't logged on to my shammy yet |
| 01:31.54 | ulic | curse or wowace should still have all the old builds. |
| 01:32.12 | chiper | I think my old one was r80544 |
| 01:32.16 | Mytos | yea, but i dont know how far back ill have to go to get what i need |
| 01:34.08 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 01:34.10 | Mytos | ok r80544.3 works |
| 01:34.30 | NivFreak | I want imp devotion aura and BoSanc in my raid post 3.0, but I have no prot pallies |
| 01:34.33 | NivFreak | sigh |
| 01:34.36 | Arrowmaster | chiper: how is it broke? |
| 01:34.52 | chiper | Arrowmaster: which, YATA or Cartographer? |
| 01:34.56 | Arrowmaster | cartographer |
| 01:35.02 | NivFreak | how can blizzard give prot paladins BoSanc, and no one else a similar buff? |
| 01:35.10 | chiper | every internal modules is throwing an error on AddTranslations |
| 01:35.19 | Arrowmaster | delete and reinstall |
| 01:35.20 | chiper | bad argument #2 |
| 01:35.22 | Arrowmaster | not broken |
| 01:35.28 | chiper | hrm, ok |
| 01:35.41 | chiper | isnt that something the curse client should have handled? |
| 01:35.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:35.58 | Arrowmaster | client doesnt do anything with that |
| 01:36.03 | Arrowmaster | it was changed in the zip |
| 01:36.19 | Arrowmaster | because somebody released one without setting up the move-folders |
| 01:36.45 | chiper | right, that's my point. shouldn't it be deleting the whole folder when it updates? |
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| 01:37.45 | NivFreak | did anyone aside from Ackis come down for blizzcon? |
| 01:37.58 | chiper | I'll be going up |
| 01:38.04 | Repo | 10iq: 03kunda * r26 / (4 files in 1 directory): IQ: |
| 01:38.05 | Repo | - Interface: 30000 |
| 01:38.05 | Repo | - separated localization from main file |
| 01:38.12 | NivFreak | I'm at disneyland now |
| 01:38.21 | NivFreak | paying the wife/kid off for my 2 days at blizzcon |
| 01:38.22 | NivFreak | haha |
| 01:38.27 | fewyn | xD |
| 01:38.32 | chiper | we'll be there tomorrow |
| 01:38.34 | fewyn | nice one NivFreak |
| 01:38.36 | fewyn | not this year though |
| 01:38.40 | chiper | which hotel you guys staying at, niv? |
| 01:39.12 | fewyn | I'll be posting all the pictures I get from Wordaen and the rest of the staff from Allakhazam that attend throughout the con |
| 01:39.13 | Arrowmaster | chiper: i guess actually i should have set it up to not load all the modules from both locations, minor oversite |
| 01:39.20 | Arrowmaster | i might fix it later |
| 01:39.21 | NivFreak | chiper: paradise pier |
| 01:39.23 | NivFreak | where are you staying? |
| 01:39.33 | chiper | Clarion |
| 01:40.24 | NivFreak | we're running around disneyland with her parents tomorrow |
| 01:40.28 | NivFreak | what time do you guys come up:? |
| 01:40.38 | chiper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.55 | chiper | plus, easier to beat the lines when you're five minutes from the convention center :P |
| 01:41.02 | NivFreak | yea |
| 01:41.03 | NivFreak | haha |
| 01:41.03 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r231 / (15 files in 3 directories): |
| 01:41.03 | Repo | - added 3 new user-submitted bar textures (GlowArc, CleanCurves, and BloodGlaives) and 2 new user-submitted combo/sunder/lacerate count textures (Glow and CleanCurves) |
| 01:41.12 | NivFreak | I was down here last year for gencon |
| 01:41.33 | NivFreak | at the marriot |
| 01:41.41 | Repo | 10iq: 03kunda 04v1.1 * r27 : Tagging as v1.1 |
| 01:41.43 | chiper | don't know what time we'll be getting in. I'm gonna try and get out of work early. hopefully we'll be on the road by five or six |
| 01:41.45 | NivFreak | beats the LA convention center at least |
| 01:41.45 | fewyn | it's hard to justify me traveling to cali for a convention |
| 01:41.53 | NivFreak | or wait, maybe it was starwars celebration? |
| 01:41.59 | fewyn | but now that i work for allakhazam i can say it's for "Work" |
| 01:42.17 | chiper | I'm looking forward to blizzcon, but after comic-con, I doubt anything will impress me much :P |
| 01:42.38 | fewyn | how can anything impress you after comicon? |
| 01:43.09 | chiper | well, the japan entertainment expo would probably do it |
| 01:43.22 | fewyn | well those don't count |
| 01:44.33 | chiper | blizzard's comic-con turn out was shite this year |
| 01:45.25 | NivFreak | they pulled all their shit from gencon indy too |
| 01:46.16 | chiper | we went to the one WoW panel they had, and were very dissapointed that there wasnt a scrap of info about the actual game |
| 01:46.44 | chiper | nothing but comics, TCG and minatures. they actually took the "comic" part of comic-con seriously |
| 01:47.14 | NivFreak | I never could understand minatures |
| 01:47.26 | NivFreak | the TCG still seems to be a method of selling in game items to me |
| 01:47.32 | NivFreak | although I have some coworkers who play it |
| 01:47.43 | NivFreak | and as for the art, I enjoy it in game, but like most art, I could give a damn |
| 01:47.59 | NivFreak | I don't need to sit around listening to them talk about thier art |
| 01:48.34 | NivFreak | I was trying to debate the d3 panel vs wow ui panel |
| 01:48.40 | NivFreak | since they overlap |
| 01:49.00 | NivFreak | the rest are easy for me to choose |
| 01:51.23 | chiper | I have yet to see a schedule, where'd you find one? |
| 01:51.36 | chiper | oh... |
| 01:51.45 | chiper | went up yesterday |
| 01:53.50 | chiper | I'm only mildly interested in the D3 stuff |
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| 02:10.28 | NivFreak | I just don't imagine they will have much interesting to say in the UI panel really |
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| 02:19.48 | fewyn | http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=14611 a person who 36 boxes in wow >_> |
| 02:20.33 | kenlyric | 36 is 11 too many |
| 02:22.17 | ulic | lua> 36*15 |
| 02:22.17 | lua_bot | ulic: 540 |
| 02:22.27 | ulic | that's a lot of $ per month. |
| 02:22.48 | fewyn | he pays on a 6 month scale |
| 02:22.51 | fewyn | so he saves a bit |
| 02:23.11 | kenlyric | It costs me exactly $5711 in subscription costs per year with 36 accounts on the 6 month pay schedule. Not bad considering I'm looking at it like it's a hobby and there are more expensive hobbies out there than World of Warcraft. |
| 02:23.33 | kenlyric | sure, collecting Ming vases.. |
| 02:23.37 | ulic | lua> 36*13 |
| 02:23.37 | lua_bot | ulic: 468 |
| 02:23.44 | ulic | still a ton! |
| 02:23.48 | fewyn | lua> 5711/2 |
| 02:23.48 | lua_bot | fewyn: 2855.5 |
| 02:23.58 | fewyn | lua> 2855.5/36 |
| 02:23.58 | lua_bot | fewyn: 79.319444444444 |
| 02:24.19 | fewyn | so about that much per account? |
| 02:24.21 | kenlyric | why did you divide by 2? |
| 02:24.21 | ulic | sheesh, you guys are nuts. |
| 02:24.27 | fewyn | year |
| 02:24.29 | fewyn | 6 month |
| 02:24.50 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1625 / (15 files in 14 directories): |
| 02:24.51 | Repo | Cleaned the slate to port over the WotLK build from sourceforge |
| 02:24.56 | kenlyric | ah |
| 02:27.03 | Groktar | wewt one shot kj |
| 02:27.21 | fewyn | gz Groktar |
| 02:27.29 | fewyn | i'm done raiding until naxx |
| 02:27.44 | fewyn | i'm hoping to be there within a few weeks of release |
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| 02:31.07 | kenlyric | I wonder if there's anything productive I can do in the next week. |
| 02:31.10 | Antiarc | Honestly, there are tons of hobbies that can cost you more than WoW |
| 02:31.27 | Antiarc | WoW saves me a ton of money because I'm not buying 2+ $60-dollar games every month :V |
| 02:32.03 | kenlyric | I think there's an upper limit to its value though |
| 02:32.25 | kenlyric | 36 seems just an odd number |
| 02:32.28 | kenlyric | why not 80? |
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| 02:32.45 | kenlyric | he probably adds one a month |
| 02:33.07 | Trela | SVN how I hate you. |
| 02:33.51 | Trela | Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/wowace/trunk/flagRSP2' |
| 02:33.55 | kenlyric | doing dailies for gold would be silly since gold is inflated in wrath? |
| 02:33.57 | digmouse | is Blizzard now scales with spell power? |
| 02:33.57 | Trela | looks it up~ |
| 02:34.35 | Groktar | blizzard has always scaled |
| 02:34.37 | Groktar | just not well |
| 02:35.38 | digmouse | is volley better than blizzard or not? |
| 02:36.47 | fewyn | sigh why do herbs have to be so god damn hard to see? |
| 02:36.57 | digmouse | shiny herbs |
| 02:36.59 | quiescens | they're hiding from you |
| 02:37.11 | fewyn | ah |
| 02:37.17 | fewyn | my spell detail was at 0 |
| 02:37.22 | fewyn | turns that back on |
| 02:37.25 | digmouse | maximun it |
| 02:37.49 | mykx | lol yeah was gonna say I thougt the shining made it retard proof |
| 02:37.49 | fewyn | and where would i be without routes? |
| 02:38.16 | fewyn | retard proof if you don't turn everything to 0 except distance |
| 02:38.29 | mykx | :) |
| 02:41.02 | kenlyric | hard to see? |
| 02:41.06 | kenlyric | they SPARKLE |
| 02:41.15 | kenlyric | try pre-sparkle herbing in darkshore :/ |
| 02:41.46 | kenlyric | sungrass nearly anywhere. |
| 02:41.49 | fewyn | if you have spell details turned down you can't see it |
| 02:41.55 | kenlyric | un'fucking'goro crater |
| 02:42.14 | kenlyric | stand right ont he minimap icon and slowly sweep you cursor over the ground. |
| 02:43.17 | fewyn | that requires more work than i want |
| 02:44.08 | kenlyric | oh, i'm just reminiscing about the terrible old days |
| 02:44.13 | kenlyric | you should just turn spell detail up |
| 02:45.00 | Arrowmaster | Trela: wrong svn address |
| 02:45.42 | Trela | I have it correct, but my SVN working copy was still trying to use the old server information. I had to delete and redo. |
| 02:46.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah you have to delete and recheckout all old working copies |
| 02:47.46 | Trela | Also working a newer, mostly better SVN client for OS X. |
| 02:52.15 | Trela | Versions for OS X. Fairly nice actually and the comparison tool works. |
| 02:58.46 | Curses | I have yet to find an ok SVN client on os x :( |
| 02:59.38 | quiescens | command line |
| 02:59.41 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 02:59.47 | Curses | way too lazy ;) |
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| 03:02.41 | Trela | Curses: http://www.versionsapp.com/ |
| 03:02.50 | Trela | Seems fairly new, beta, works well. |
| 03:03.45 | Curses | ahh cool thanks |
| 03:04.26 | Trela | A bit clunky at first, but then I figured out I need to create the repository bookmark first, have it checkout, and then it was happy. |
| 03:07.22 | Trela | It is definitely better than RapidSVN. |
| 03:08.03 | Arrowmaster | last time i tried rapidsvn was like 2+ years ago and it fucking blew ass |
| 03:09.47 | Trela | It still does. Once you get it set up properly it will commit changes happily, but otherwise it is a pain. |
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| 03:25.07 | Parnic | arrowmaster: any way of finding out why a new version of an addon didn't get packaged up? |
| 03:25.20 | Parnic | i submitted about an hour and a half ago...no new package yet :( |
| 03:27.52 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: sec |
| 03:28.10 | Arrowmaster | can you view http://www.wowace.com/packager/ |
| 03:28.32 | Parnic | i sure can |
| 03:28.40 | Arrowmaster | decursive broke tha packager |
| 03:28.50 | quiescens | gasp |
| 03:28.52 | Parnic | oh :( |
| 03:28.53 | Parnic | for everyone? |
| 03:29.23 | Parnic | yeah ok. ice-hud is marked as pending :P |
| 03:29.33 | Arrowmaster | i would unlock it but im raiding and would rather figure out why it broke before unlocking it |
| 03:29.47 | Parnic | np. just wanted to make sure i didn't break it ;) |
| 03:29.51 | Parnic | so long as it's someone else's fault....:P |
| 03:30.01 | orionshock | Maldivia:: the bitfield length compare worked :D |
| 03:30.22 | Arrowmaster | bookmark that page or something if you want until a link is added for it |
| 03:30.30 | Parnic | i will. thanks :) |
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| 03:40.41 | Trela | Silly SVN question before I break some thing. What is the proper way to specify a "release" package for a certain SVN commit? |
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| 03:41.15 | nymbia | make a tag |
| 03:42.26 | Trela | Okay! |
| 03:45.51 | Trela | Thank you. :3 |
| 03:46.02 | nymbia | the naming determines the package type |
| 03:46.12 | nymbia | naming of the tag that is |
| 03:47.02 | nymbia | http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/repository-faq/#w_how-does-the-packager-know-whether-a-tag-is-a-release-or-a-beta |
| 04:10.38 | Primer | sigh, there goes pitbull, sucking again |
| 04:10.50 | Primer | target is now faded |
| 04:10.58 | Primer | and I'm right next to him |
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| 04:30.33 | Xinhuan | argh 150 pvp tokens of each |
| 04:30.38 | Xinhuan | to buy 5 pvp mounts |
| 04:30.42 | Xinhuan | that are destroyed a year ago |
| 04:30.46 | Xinhuan | that i destroyed a year ago |
| 04:30.54 | Xinhuan | /wrists |
| 04:31.19 | Stanzilla | can't you buy back mounts and pets you destroyed? |
| 04:31.33 | Xinhuan | only pets that are 1-time rewards |
| 04:31.39 | Xinhuan | such as from quests |
| 04:31.40 | digmouse | how many spell hit rating = 16% at lv 70? |
| 04:31.43 | Xinhuan | not sure about mounts |
| 04:31.49 | Xinhuan | 202 digmouse |
| 04:31.56 | digmouse | ty |
| 04:31.59 | Xinhuan | 12.6 hit per % |
| 04:32.13 | Xinhuan | well its closer to like 12.57 |
| 04:34.59 | digmouse | so a mage tank in council fight should be over hit cap? |
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| 04:47.53 | orionshock | question, trying to use a [[ ]] string as a description field, but im getting a meshed ? char on the first letter of the 2nd line.. any sugestions? |
| 04:54.43 | orionshock | nmd found it.. ([[ ... ]]):gsub("\009", "") :D |
| 04:56.24 | Xinhuan | [10/9 12:34:50] <digmouse> so a mage tank in council fight should be over hit cap? |
| 04:56.28 | Xinhuan | theortically yes |
| 04:56.34 | Xinhuan | but in practice not necessary |
| 04:56.49 | Xinhuan | the spellstolen buff lasts for 2 minutes, and the boss recasts it once every minute |
| 04:57.13 | Xinhuan | so you have 1 entire minute to refresh the stolen buff, so even if its resisted, you can just re-steal it |
| 04:57.27 | Xinhuan | the only thing of any consequence if the INITIAL spellsteal on the pull |
| 04:57.47 | Xinhuan | if that one is resisted, its a gg |
| 04:58.23 | Xinhuan | also depends on whether the mage has points in Arcane Focus talent |
| 04:58.41 | Xinhuan | 2/4/6/8/10% arcane spellhit |
| 05:03.35 | Trela | Authentication error from server: Username not found - *Stabs SVN* Argh, so close. |
| 05:04.18 | orionshock | Trela: careful about stabing systems and services... they have a tendency to fight back... ;| |
| 05:04.27 | Trela | I know. :x~ |
| 05:04.30 | Trela | hides in her cave! |
| 05:04.39 | orionshock | limps away after getting ass kicked by svn+ssh |
| 05:04.59 | Trela | Should we use our old WoWAce user name or our merged Curse.com user name? |
| 05:05.07 | orionshock | curse.com UID |
| 05:05.13 | Arrowmaster | in lowercase |
| 05:05.16 | orionshock | easy thing, login to the site and update stuff |
| 05:05.22 | Trela | Yep, trying that. |
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| 05:06.03 | Trela | http://www.wowace.com/projects/flag-rsp2/repositories/mainline/ |
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| 05:06.50 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: your [[ ]] string had both the cr and the lf in it? |
| 05:07.00 | orionshock | prolly |
| 05:07.06 | orionshock | ah, yes |
| 05:07.11 | orionshock | it was multi line |
| 05:07.23 | Arrowmaster | that was in aceconfig3 or something? |
| 05:07.34 | orionshock | aye |
| 05:07.35 | digmouse | Xinhuan: so his HP is much more important than his spell hit? |
| 05:07.57 | Arrowmaster | report it as a bug and suggest that it should automaticly strip out \r would you |
| 05:08.08 | orionshock | ... |
| 05:08.40 | Trela | I think my SVN client is still trying to use my old SVN user name. |
| 05:09.01 | Arrowmaster | Trela: shouldnt be since the url has the username in it |
| 05:09.27 | Trela | I mean the files on both the repository and the working copy show the owner as my old user name. |
| 05:10.32 | Xinhuan | yes his hp is fine if its more than 10k |
| 05:10.58 | digmouse | k |
| 05:10.58 | Xinhuan | the mage is the easiest person to heal in this fight, so put your weakest healer on him |
| 05:11.03 | Arrowmaster | Trela: you mean the history still has your old name? |
| 05:11.07 | Trela | Yes. |
| 05:11.13 | Xinhuan | 12k hp wouldn't hurt obviously |
| 05:11.26 | digmouse | 12k seems not hard |
| 05:11.44 | digmouse | we seems can make a mage 12k HP with 15% hit |
| 05:11.57 | Xinhuan | a standard pve spec is 2/48/11 |
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| 05:12.08 | Xinhuan | where the 2 points in arcane tree gives 4% arcane hit |
| 05:12.11 | mykx | the only problem with that fight is making sure people don't fall asleep because it's so damn boring :) |
| 05:12.19 | digmouse | :D |
| 05:12.26 | Xinhuan | so he only needs 12% from gear (a mage needs 13% for fire/frost from gear) |
| 05:12.44 | Xinhuan | the mage is recommended to wear 2 pc T4 |
| 05:12.50 | Xinhuan | for un-interruptable fireballs |
| 05:12.54 | Xinhuan | or frostbolts |
| 05:12.59 | digmouse | if everything goes fine we should have a Mother FD and running into council tonight |
| 05:13.17 | Xinhuan | so just wear some mixture of pvp gear, hit gear and 2 pc t4 |
| 05:13.38 | digmouse | some S2/guardian and 2pc T4 is not hard |
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| 05:13.53 | Trela | http://www.experimentalinsanity.com/albums/random/WorkingCopyView.jpg |
| 05:13.53 | Trela | http://www.experimentalinsanity.com/albums/random/RepoCopyView.jpg |
| 05:14.10 | Xinhuan | oh and conjure 3 types of mana gems |
| 05:14.12 | Xinhuan | you'll need it |
| 05:14.17 | Trela | Logging in with svn://azxiana@svn.wowace.com/wow/flag-rsp2/mainline/trunk of course. |
| 05:14.17 | Xinhuan | for like a 10+ min fight |
| 05:14.18 | orionshock | LibStub("AceConfig-3.0") == { RegisterOptionsTable = FunRef}, 2 - so what version am i using? |
| 05:14.25 | orionshock | >.- |
| 05:15.11 | Arrowmaster | Trela: you set a new password in repo authorization right? |
| 05:15.23 | Trela | Yepo~ |
| 05:15.42 | Trela | Doing it again just to be sure. |
| 05:15.45 | Arrowmaster | ok if it really is trying to use the old username then its a problem with your client |
| 05:16.44 | Trela | Huh. |
| 05:16.59 | Trela | I changed my password again in the repository authorization and it is going through now. |
| 05:17.28 | Parnic | so did decursive really break the packager? :P |
| 05:17.48 | Arrowmaster | well the packager broke on decurseive would be a better way to put it i guess |
| 05:17.58 | Parnic | heh |
| 05:18.09 | Trela | Thank you. :3 |
| 05:21.50 | digmouse | Council fight is like that long? |
| 05:21.55 | |Yssaril| | Arrowmaster: what change was made to decursive that broke the packager? |
| 05:21.56 | digmouse | will them enrage? |
| 05:22.01 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 05:22.09 | Arrowmaster | i just know that it broke processing decursive |
| 05:22.10 | digmouse | s/them/they/ |
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| 05:35.40 | Arrowmaster | OMFG |
| 05:35.41 | Arrowmaster | ahaha |
| 05:35.46 | Arrowmaster | this is fucking great |
| 05:36.07 | Arrowmaster | i am going to make sure this guy gets a fucking perma ban from curse for this one |
| 05:36.28 | Arrowmaster | AHAHA |
| 05:36.52 | Arrowmaster | 100% perma ban |
| 05:37.03 | Trela | o.o? |
| 05:37.07 | Arrowmaster | tried to create "Bartender5" on curseforge |
| 05:37.14 | Arrowmaster | project is not approved yet |
| 05:37.25 | Arrowmaster | also adds "Bartender5.zip" |
| 05:37.50 | Arrowmaster | the description of "Bartender5.zip" includes the changelog like the Bartender4 zips do |
| 05:38.03 | Arrowmaster | its copy paste with the most recent change being from nevcairiel |
| 05:38.18 | Arrowmaster | the zip contains bartender5.autoinstall.exe |
| 05:38.22 | Trela | Right. |
| 05:38.25 | Arrowmaster | a trojen |
| 05:38.33 | Arrowmaster | and its still not approved |
| 05:38.38 | Arrowmaster | so nobody but mods can see it |
| 05:38.58 | Trela | waits for a moderator to get infected! |
| 05:40.51 | Trela | Argh! I am working on my minimap AddOn and FuBar_LocationFu is being mean to me! |
| 05:41.58 | Trela | stabbies. >:3 |
| 05:43.06 | digmouse | kill him! |
| 05:46.17 | NeoTron | oh hai I needz to installer bartendur 5 herd it's teh best |
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| 05:49.03 | digmouse | if I use my spell damage trinket and start to cast a spell when the buff is almost gone. the buff fades when my cast is in half way, will the buff's extra spell damage be added into the spell's count? |
| 05:49.40 | NivFreak | yes |
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| 05:50.16 | digmouse | the spell damage is count upon the beginning of the spell casting? |
| 05:50.22 | NivFreak | yes |
| 05:50.26 | NivFreak | and mana cost when it lands |
| 05:50.29 | NivFreak | or finishes |
| 05:50.30 | digmouse | all rigth |
| 05:50.42 | digmouse | so does attack power trinket? |
| 05:50.56 | NivFreak | uh, well |
| 05:51.15 | NivFreak | that would affect only slam on warriors, and hunter shots? |
| 05:51.33 | NivFreak | I assume it would follow the same mechanic, but I haven't seen theorycraft for it |
| 05:51.35 | Lukian | NivFreak, paladin spells. ie. avenger's shield etc? |
| 05:52.00 | NivFreak | well, AP doesn't scale AS until wrath right? |
| 05:52.06 | NivFreak | and fuck if I know with 3.0+ :P |
| 05:52.07 | Lukian | 3.0 |
| 05:52.13 | NivFreak | same thing really |
| 05:52.14 | NivFreak | :P |
| 05:52.17 | digmouse | steady shot and aimed shot are scaled by AP |
| 05:52.27 | NivFreak | right, hunter shots ;) |
| 05:52.42 | digmouse | so does AS |
| 05:53.00 | Zyndrome | ....................................... |
| 05:53.05 | digmouse | my AS is around 600 in 2100AP and 750+ if I'm 2600AP |
| 05:53.12 | Zyndrome | awkward moment on beta |
| 05:53.14 | Zyndrome | "w Eliih: wanna do lesbian ingame cybersex?" |
| 05:53.22 | digmouse | ............. |
| 05:55.37 | Zyndrome | *gust of wind* |
| 05:56.56 | digmouse | council fight takes more than 10min? |
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| 05:57.31 | NeoTron | it can |
| 05:57.31 | Trela | Oh, good morning CK. :D |
| 05:57.39 | NeoTron | first kills almost certainly |
| 05:58.12 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning |
| 05:59.07 | NivFreak | I think our first kill was like 30 second short of enrage |
| 05:59.35 | NivFreak | with ever retard in my raid dead, and most of them brez'd once ;) |
| 05:59.48 | Zyndrome | http://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/necrocybor.jpg |
| 06:00.17 | digmouse | seems that paladin hits pretty hard? |
| 06:00.18 | Bruners_ | what font is that? |
| 06:00.43 | Trela | Calibri I believe. |
| 06:00.50 | Zyndrome | Newcastle |
| 06:03.33 | Zyndrome | bleh, last week we're doing serious raiding until wotlk :C |
| 06:04.00 | [SW]Dodge | Zyndrome: we stopped raiding like 3 weeks ago ;( |
| 06:04.04 | Zyndrome | D; |
| 06:04.59 | Zyndrome | it takes a miracle if we get KJ down before wednesday, got him to 64% at best :< |
| 06:07.38 | [SW]Dodge | never saw swp from inside :S |
| 06:09.25 | Zyndrome | had our best clear yet up to Twins last night, shame it's our last week :p |
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| 06:09.58 | [SW]Dodge | next week it would be a lot easier due to tbc-raid-nerf^^ |
| 06:10.01 | digmouse | Illidan before WotLK = win ! |
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| 06:10.36 | Zyndrome | we'll still go BT and SWP and such just to pew pew with new talents :p |
| 06:11.34 | [SW]Dodge | digmouse: yea, to bad that our mts discontinued to play until wrath so i wasnt able to see illidan :( last kill was RoS ;( but with some luck i can join the raid of a friend this evening :) *hope* |
| 06:12.09 | digmouse | :) if everything goes fine we'll FD mother tonight and run into council |
| 06:12.26 | digmouse | and Illidan will be pretty easy after that nerf |
| 06:12.31 | digmouse | no Shear! |
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| 06:20.47 | Zyndrome | www.shatteredminds.net/skit/raiding_advice.jpg I say! |
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| 06:22.35 | [SW]Dodge | true words ._. |
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| 06:29.52 | orionshock | ~IANAL |
| 06:29.52 | purl | well, ianal is "I am not a lawyer". See also IANALBIPOOTV. |
| 06:30.12 | orionshock | ~IANALBIPOOTV |
| 06:30.13 | purl | ianalbipootv is probably "I am not a lawyer, but I play one on TV" |
| 06:30.19 | orionshock | LOL |
| 06:40.09 | digmouse | ....... |
| 06:47.30 | Xinhuan | hmm is the repo working |
| 06:48.36 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to push a commit and |
| 06:48.51 | Xinhuan | the connection is just "hanging" |
| 06:49.39 | Xinhuan | error: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') |
| 06:49.41 | Xinhuan | on well lol! |
| 06:49.43 | Xinhuan | oh* |
| 06:53.13 | Trela | AHHHHAHAHAH. |
| 06:53.15 | Trela | .... |
| 06:53.18 | Trela | THE BIRD IS THE WORD! |
| 06:54.28 | odt | anyone know if there will be honor purchasable pvp gear like now at early 80? |
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| 06:55.59 | Trela | Ah, not sure. I read supposedly there are only arena point purchaseables. |
| 06:56.38 | Bruners_ | i guess there will be, why else would you bother to farm battlegrounds? |
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| 06:58.14 | Cheads | seems like the blue gear requires some arena points too.. most of it |
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| 07:01.20 | digmouse | all arena gear in wotlk both need honor points and arena points to purchase |
| 07:01.43 | Trela | Savage Gladiator pieces are about 12,000 honor points and 350 arena points. |
| 07:02.10 | digmouse | remember one of S5 is 8000 honor and 750 arena |
| 07:02.10 | Trela | Hateful Gladiator(Epic Gear) is all honor points for 24,800 each. |
| 07:03.27 | kadrahil | so.. |
| 07:03.30 | kadrahil | anyone remember Joana? |
| 07:03.35 | kadrahil | of joana's guide fame |
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| 07:05.04 | Trela | Yes. |
| 07:05.24 | Trela | http://www.joanasworld.com/ |
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| 07:08.30 | kadrahil | i'm talking to him on beta right now |
| 07:08.43 | kadrahil | small world |
| 07:09.43 | Trela | is working on her Death Knight leveling guide actually. |
| 07:10.26 | kadrahil | cool :) |
| 07:10.36 | kadrahil | i thought about doing something like that |
| 07:10.38 | Zyndrome | mash buttons, receive XP |
| 07:10.41 | Zyndrome | :3 |
| 07:10.49 | kadrahil | ^ |
| 07:11.00 | kadrahil | i did a speed run of the starting zone in an hour and 20 minutes |
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| 07:12.02 | Trela | I am writing a basic leveling guide on how to start and continue playing. If the player needs a guide for the death knight starter zone, then the class is probably lost on the player. :P |
| 07:12.04 | Cheads | what's the blue pvp gear called (level 80) |
| 07:12.11 | Trela | Savage Gladiator |
| 07:12.29 | Cheads | ok |
| 07:12.49 | Trela | Kadrahil, on the PvE realm? |
| 07:12.51 | Cheads | seems like some of the Deadly Gladiator gear is also honor only.. |
| 07:13.00 | kadrahil | Trela: yeah |
| 07:13.04 | Cheads | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=20040.0 |
| 07:13.09 | Trela | is watching her now. |
| 07:14.02 | Cheads | Trela: http://thunderbluff.wow.servcontent.wyrihaximus.net/n-18972-screenshots--subzone--area-52--world-of-warcraft--zone--netherstorm.png |
| 07:14.27 | Trela | Yep. |
| 07:14.31 | Cheads | both arena points and honor for those savage gladiator items |
| 07:14.38 | Trela | I hate arena. |
| 07:15.09 | Cheads | weird that the next level of pvp gear doesn't require arena points |
| 07:15.31 | kadrahil | Trela: watching joana? |
| 07:15.40 | Trela | Who command. |
| 07:15.55 | Trela | Also watching IP traffic. >.> |
| 07:15.55 | Cheads | Hateful Gladiator's Leather Tunic: 12000 Honor 350 Arena Points hmmm |
| 07:15.58 | kadrahil | who command? |
| 07:16.00 | kadrahil | oh |
| 07:16.04 | Trela | <.< |
| 07:16.07 | kadrahil | 03:25 * Trela is watching her now. |
| 07:16.30 | kadrahil | i always thought joana was a guy |
| 07:16.35 | Trela | She is. |
| 07:16.49 | kadrahil | oh, you're referring to him to a she as in his female character :P |
| 07:17.00 | kadrahil | you had me confused for a second |
| 07:17.04 | Trela | I see breasts, I refer to as female! |
| 07:17.16 | kadrahil | haha |
| 07:17.20 | kadrahil | fair enough |
| 07:19.23 | Trela | is predominately female. |
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| 07:28.52 | digmouse | can i obtain Hand of A'dal if I dont have Champion of the Naaru yet? |
| 07:29.27 | Zyndrome | should be, but you got ... 6 days left |
| 07:30.58 | [SW]Dodge | digmouse: i have hand but not champ .) so it is possible |
| 07:31.09 | digmouse | ye ha |
| 07:31.30 | digmouse | no Zyndrome, I have at least 13 days |
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| 07:58.07 | ramoz | Zyndrome: i got it like 3 days ago, so yeah |
| 07:58.22 | Zyndrome | I can't be bothered with them :[ |
| 07:58.30 | Zyndrome | gonna reroll anyway |
| 07:58.38 | Zyndrome | "hell yeah I got titles on my other characters" |
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| 08:23.46 | sb|work | digmouse: 13 days? why? :p |
| 08:26.04 | digmouse | sb: in theory China get a patch 1 week after US, so 6+7=13! |
| 08:26.14 | sb|work | oh, okay ;) |
| 08:26.42 | digmouse | and who knows whether we'll get it in time? so at least 13 days! |
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| 08:46.47 | nevcairiel | Belazor: now cant login to the admin panel anymore, go fix something <.< |
| 08:47.16 | Belazor | I need to change your vB password to something, pm me a chosen passwurd :p |
| 08:49.17 | Trela | I bet it will be ILoveManTrolls. |
| 08:50.25 | nevcairiel | can i change it afterwards somehow? =P |
| 08:51.57 | Lukian | what day does Hallows End start? |
| 08:52.08 | Belazor | not unless you get Can Administer Users permission |
| 08:52.12 | thul | ILoveManTrollJuice |
| 08:53.05 | nevcairiel | I need to bug kaelten for more access =P |
| 08:54.38 | Xinhuan | yes, i need more access :D |
| 08:54.41 | Xinhuan | MOAR POWAR |
| 08:56.50 | FtH|Daemona | With great power comes great responsibility. |
| 08:57.06 | [SW]Dodge | respo...what? |
| 08:57.13 | [SW]Dodge | :P |
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| 09:11.11 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i need to bug him for more access too, im like the only person without moderator on the forums |
| 09:12.04 | thul | tell me what camera to get :-( |
| 09:12.51 | winkiller | Access is bad. use a real database :P |
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| 09:30.57 | Xinhuan | HAH i see a new search link on the navbar! |
| 09:31.21 | nevcairiel | yeah i added it |
| 09:31.34 | nevcairiel | it wasnt actually gone |
| 09:31.40 | nevcairiel | i just didnt move it to the proper position =P |
| 09:31.45 | thul | TELL ME |
| 09:32.09 | nevcairiel | i also fixed ugly footer to look more like the wowace page \o/ |
| 09:32.19 | Xinhuan | can i ask why there is a gap in the upper right corner search box |
| 09:32.26 | Xinhuan | between the cursor blinking |
| 09:32.29 | Xinhuan | and the white text box |
| 09:32.39 | Fisker- | pukes |
| 09:32.43 | nevcairiel | oh yeah that ace-spade belongs there, somehow it doesnt show up in the forum box o.o |
| 09:32.48 | Xinhuan | and whether that searchbox is even necessrily anymore with the navbar search change? |
| 09:33.04 | nevcairiel | some people like it there, and its there on the wowace page |
| 09:33.15 | Xinhuan | the one on wowace page searches repos and projects |
| 09:33.21 | Xinhuan | but when viewing forums, it searches forums |
| 09:33.24 | Xinhuan | which isn't very intuitive |
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| 09:33.32 | nevcairiel | it is for me :D |
| 09:33.35 | Xinhuan | since what it searches changes |
| 09:33.45 | Xinhuan | try it |
| 09:33.48 | nevcairiel | i can ask kaelten what he thinks, could easily make it search projects too |
| 09:33.56 | Xinhuan | do a search from |
| 09:33.56 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 09:34.08 | nevcairiel | i mean it is intuitive for me, not that it searches projects for me |
| 09:34.09 | nevcairiel | duh :P |
| 09:34.14 | Xinhuan | then do a search from http://forums.wowace.com/ |
| 09:34.25 | Xinhuan | i would expect the same textbox to search the same thing, but they dont' ;p |
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| 09:36.31 | Fisker- | LOL |
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| 10:17.52 | Belazor | nevcairiel, you basturd, where did you hide the $vboptions[copyrighttext]? GIVE IT BACK NAO |
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| 10:22.36 | molgar | is it possible to make a function that find the "KEY" from the table if i know the "VALUE"? |
| 10:23.12 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 10:23.34 | Xinhuan | for k, v in pairs(t) do if v == value then return k end end return nil |
| 10:24.01 | Xinhuan | (yes its the only way) |
| 10:24.22 | Xinhuan | this also assumes values are unique, or it will return the first match |
| 10:24.34 | Xinhuan | unless you build a reverse lookup table |
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| 10:25.21 | Belazor | zeksie wins on changelog notes |
| 10:26.51 | Josh_Borke | build a reverse lookup table |
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| 10:28.18 | starlon | lol http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/10/08/2239229.shtml |
| 10:28.52 | Belazor | win |
| 10:29.47 | Zeksie | wut? |
| 10:30.18 | Belazor | the comment about Sparkles |
| 10:30.21 | Belazor | I lol'd IRL |
| 10:30.36 | Zeksie | :) |
| 10:31.26 | Zeksie | some would consider them OTT.. and I know this, so it'll help avoid some of the less enthusiastic comments :) |
| 10:33.09 | Belazor | Nothing is OTT if it can be shut off (and of course said shut off switch also prevents the calculations from running), IMO ;p |
| 10:35.46 | Fisker- | slaps Zeksie around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:39.11 | Shirik | slaps Fisker- around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:39.20 | Shirik | notice how my slap has a + next to it, means more powerful |
| 10:39.29 | Shirik | yours has - |
| 10:40.38 | starlon | casts Polarity Shift. |
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| 10:41.11 | Fisker- | cries btw |
| 10:41.51 | Shirik | huggles Fisker- |
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| 10:52.15 | Arrowmaster | this feels so hackish |
| 10:52.17 | Arrowmaster | return format("%q", v):gsub("\\\n", "\\n") |
| 10:52.58 | Adirelle|work | wut |
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| 10:54.55 | koaschten | woah, read those last 2 pages of http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t28827-wowace_close_its_doors_sort/ |
| 10:55.08 | Arrowmaster | i thought that was locked |
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| 11:04.26 | Belazor | What a bunch of fucking morons. They defend a website that ignores author's requests, which in my book is pretty damn shady. All because they want to "stick it to the man" (Curse being "The man"). I just lost the little respect I had left for that site. |
| 11:05.13 | Fisker- | What does the opinion of people on the site have to do with the site itself? |
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| 11:05.50 | Belazor | The people are what makes the site? |
| 11:06.36 | Fisker- | It isn't all people who think that? |
| 11:08.38 | theoddone33 | The SVN repository is being made developer only so that you can cheat the system by pulling off the SVN (I think that's what Funkydude's comment on page 2 in that thread indicates) |
| 11:08.42 | theoddone33 | what does that mean? |
| 11:08.56 | theoddone33 | is it's supposed to say "can't" cheat the system? |
| 11:09.21 | Xinhuan | well curse's reputation hasn't been very good to begin with |
| 11:09.23 | Trela | Yes, but any one can get the public SVN URL and check out the repository for an AddOn. |
| 11:09.44 | theoddone33 | I don't understand how cheating the system would be done, or how it's prevented |
| 11:09.44 | Trela | It would just much more annoying to do it for each project now. |
| 11:09.50 | theoddone33 | or even how it's defined |
| 11:10.09 | theoddone33 | is it so people can't make their own "releases" of addons based on svn WIP? |
| 11:10.45 | Trela | theoddone33: Before on files.wowace.com all AddOns where in one global "project". Downloading everything was trivial. Now each AddOn is its own project so you would have to individually connect to and download each repository. |
| 11:11.28 | theoddone33 | so it's an attempt to save on bandwidth? |
| 11:11.37 | Trela | You would have to visit the project page for each AddOn, get the SVN URL, download, rinse, repeat. Time consuming and much longer than downloading through Curse.com or the Curse Client. |
| 11:11.43 | Trela | That. |
| 11:11.50 | dieck_ | Trela: but scriptable :) |
| 11:11.55 | theoddone33 | I see |
| 11:11.59 | theoddone33 | yeah easily scriptable |
| 11:12.01 | Trela | Yes, very very scriptable. >:D |
| 11:12.09 | Trela | is actually.. um, doing that as we speak. |
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| 11:12.42 | theoddone33 | then again if curse.com is just as scriptable.. |
| 11:12.48 | dieck_ | as I heard of the bandwith needed, I spontaneously thought about a torrent based repository :) |
| 11:12.48 | Josh_Borke | ej can go suck a monkey nut |
| 11:13.03 | theoddone33 | I don't really know, but I don't think I really want to give up my python script that updates all my mods |
| 11:13.13 | theoddone33 | when I say my python script I mean "the one I stole off wowace forums" |
| 11:13.29 | Josh_Borke | everyone presumes to understand all of the problems with just one look and throws out such wonderful ideas but no one ponies up |
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| 11:14.11 | dieck | Josh_Borke: no time. writing on my diploma thesis. at least I should do it ;) |
| 11:16.01 | Adirelle|work | splitting the big SVN repo was intended mainly to ease project management (in term of authorization and lifecycle) |
| 11:16.22 | Adirelle|work | (and allowing people to choose between svn, git and hg too) |
| 11:16.49 | cladhaire | if someone wanted to they could easily "package" addons on the fly as well, since the metadata is all available in the repository |
| 11:16.50 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 11:16.58 | cladhaire | but then the cat and mouse game continues |
| 11:16.58 | Josh_Borke | theoddone33: all you have to do is repoint your svn repos to the new ones |
| 11:17.11 | Josh_Borke | bye bye claddy waddy |
| 11:18.00 | theoddone33 | it used files.wowace.com rather than svn |
| 11:18.17 | theoddone33 | although this curse client thing sounds interesting and I may just make my own |
| 11:18.37 | Adirelle|work | theoddone33: the server API is closed ATM |
| 11:18.48 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 11:18.52 | Trela | Curse Client uses RSA-OEAP encryption on the passwords and such. Good luck. |
| 11:19.28 | Trela | The public key is encrypted in the executable as well, so don't bother trying to pick it out. :P |
| 11:20.42 | theoddone33 | xor xor xor |
| 11:20.48 | theoddone33 | heh |
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| 11:20.57 | theoddone33 | I'm not leet enough to haxor tha t |
| 11:21.04 | theoddone33 | I'd just dick with the elf and make it into linkable code |
| 11:22.04 | theoddone33 | it's moot if the client works on mac and is good enough |
| 11:22.13 | Trela | Little clunky, but it works. |
| 11:24.23 | theoddone33 | I have to dig around in binary enough at work that the prospect of a challenge like that is actually kind of interesting |
| 11:24.35 | theoddone33 | but never fear, I'm much too lazy to do anything but talk about it |
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| 11:37.24 | EthanCentaurai | logs on after a hectic driving lesson and starts drinking coffee... lots of coffee... |
| 11:40.24 | Xinhuan | [19:37:18] [2. Trade] [Konstántine]: Holy priest 2.2k heals LF raiding guild, on 19hrs out of the day will show up to every riad |
| 11:40.56 | Xinhuan | [19:39:44] [2. Trade] [Konstántine]: LF good raiding guild 2.2kheals holypriest will show up to every raid and stay till RL leaves |
| 11:41.01 | Xinhuan | this guy is pretty keen huh |
| 11:41.37 | theoddone33 | I guess he likes healing |
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| 11:42.56 | Josh_Borke | 19hrs a day is a very long time |
| 11:43.07 | Josh_Borke | i couldn't function on that |
| 11:43.24 | Lukian | wouldn't most guilds prefer people that got a good nights sleep? :D |
| 11:44.03 | theoddone33 | I can function on that for about 4 weeks |
| 11:44.18 | theoddone33 | it's not great though |
| 11:44.33 | Josh_Borke | seriously, why does it even matter if he's on 19hrs a day? all that matters is he comes prepared to raids and doesn't leave them, right? |
| 11:45.19 | Xinhuan | how do you survive on 5 hours of sleep? :) |
| 11:45.28 | sb|work | mhhm 19h/day - i can see that happen in ~5 weeks :p |
| 11:45.36 | sb|work | for 1-2 weeks ;) |
| 11:45.38 | Lukian | agrees with sb |
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| 11:49.01 | EthanCentaurai | maybe he's an insomniac :S |
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| 11:55.41 | theoddone33 | 60tb a month is a lot |
| 11:55.59 | Trela | For WoWAce? |
| 11:56.07 | theoddone33 | yeah, that's what they were saying in that thread |
| 11:56.30 | Trela | That would be much. |
| 11:57.11 | theoddone33 | I wonder how many addon downloads that translates to |
| 11:57.24 | theoddone33 | seems like there a lot of people saying they update every other day |
| 11:57.30 | theoddone33 | I can't imagine doing it that frequently |
| 11:57.55 | theoddone33 | surely firefox's development should have taught the world that if it already works, updating will only make things worse |
| 11:58.33 | Trela | I am calculating roughly 300,000 per month based on a pulled out of my ass figure of 2mbs per AddOn. |
| 11:58.52 | theoddone33 | 2m per addon is ... huge |
| 11:59.13 | theoddone33 | that's how much ram the ps1 had |
| 11:59.16 | Trela | The libraries per AddOn can add up. |
| 11:59.50 | Xinhuan | its more like 2 mb per WAU run |
| 12:00.10 | Xinhuan | for almost a year, the "index page" XML which lists the contents of all 1400 addons on wowace was uncompressed |
| 12:00.18 | Xinhuan | and sent as raw text |
| 12:00.32 | Xinhuan | so every WAU run, it downloads that 2 mb index file |
| 12:00.49 | Xinhuan | and then the user updates some addons which probably isn't more than 20 kb each zip |
| 12:01.08 | Xinhuan | in any case, that index file was compressed later on ;p |
| 12:01.11 | Xinhuan | bout a month back |
| 12:01.55 | theoddone33 | I wonder if using php or something to generate dynamic diffs would have been a net win |
| 12:02.05 | theoddone33 | or if the extra cpu time would have been prohibitive |
| 12:02.29 | ReAn | easier? gzip output for the webserver? |
| 12:02.34 | Xinhuan | if ppl wanted diffs, they would have installed SVN |
| 12:02.43 | theoddone33 | that's not what I meant |
| 12:02.45 | ReAn | or minimalize the html by stripping all unneccesary whitespace |
| 12:02.49 | theoddone33 | I wasn't very clear |
| 12:02.54 | EvilJohn | thats what I was thinking, just enable gzip on the server |
| 12:03.02 | Xinhuan | yes, it was disabled for some reason |
| 12:03.04 | ReAn | or both |
| 12:03.04 | EvilJohn | but compressing it beforehand is the smarter move |
| 12:03.18 | theoddone33 | I mean only send the parts of the index that have changed since the last run |
| 12:03.29 | Josh_Borke | since who's last run? |
| 12:03.39 | theoddone33 | http://wowace/give_me_index.php?since_203902 |
| 12:03.46 | ReAn | yea |
| 12:03.50 | ReAn | i understand |
| 12:03.52 | ReAn | it's silly tho |
| 12:03.54 | Arrowmaster | would probably overload the cpu |
| 12:04.00 | EvilJohn | you'd need to version on the file, and that's not worth the overhead |
| 12:04.07 | EvilJohn | compressed it's not that much data |
| 12:04.15 | ReAn | hell |
| 12:04.16 | Arrowmaster | its xml |
| 12:04.17 | vithos | obviously you wouldn't use the cpu to generate it on every request, you'd cache it |
| 12:04.18 | Josh_Borke | so every time joe addon user goes to update the server has to generate that information? |
| 12:04.19 | Arrowmaster | its compresses well |
| 12:04.20 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 12:04.22 | EvilJohn | aye |
| 12:04.25 | theoddone33 | xml |
| 12:04.42 | theoddone33 | the least space efficient format in common usage |
| 12:04.43 | Arrowmaster | or i should say, it was xml |
| 12:04.44 | ReAn | even yahoo saves $1000's a day just by minimalizing it's code to use no whitespace & programmatically shortening names, etc... |
| 12:05.21 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't put wowace and yahoo on the same league ;p |
| 12:05.28 | ReAn | true |
| 12:05.30 | ReAn | but still |
| 12:05.40 | theoddone33 | makes you wonder how things would be now if someone had compressed the index a year ago |
| 12:05.42 | ReAn | if wowace's code was minimalized like this: |
| 12:05.42 | ReAn | http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.6.0/build/yahoo/yahoo-min.js |
| 12:05.45 | ReAn | and then gzipped |
| 12:05.51 | ReAn | that's a lot of saved bandwidth |
| 12:05.55 | EvilJohn | ReAn is right though, there are ways to improve |
| 12:05.58 | ReAn | and i know that's javascript |
| 12:06.05 | ReAn | but it was the best example |
| 12:06.13 | Josh_Borke | yea, of course there are ways to improve |
| 12:06.15 | theoddone33 | using something like json instead of xml would be a start also |
| 12:06.18 | Josh_Borke | but it still costs money |
| 12:06.23 | Josh_Borke | and time |
| 12:06.36 | EvilJohn | doesn't matter |
| 12:06.38 | Josh_Borke | neither of which anybody ever offered. hindsight is 20/20 |
| 12:06.46 | EvilJohn | taking WAU away had to happen |
| 12:07.01 | ReAn | CC will be nice once it's not made of fail |
| 12:07.03 | ReAn | currently |
| 12:07.08 | ReAn | it's not even worth my time |
| 12:07.11 | EvilJohn | without some sort of promotional ability the wowace community was creaking under the weight of it's own success |
| 12:07.12 | EvilJohn | had to chage |
| 12:07.14 | theoddone33 | it's just sad to think |
| 12:07.21 | theoddone33 | so much wasted bandwidth $$ |
| 12:07.21 | ReAn | cuz it doesn't help me do anything that i can't already do by hand faster |
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| 12:07.27 | theoddone33 | over something so simple |
| 12:08.03 | orionshock | tbh, i haven't updated any of my addons for about a month now.. and doing just fine |
| 12:08.22 | orionshock | it's the mentality we are fighting not the programs or methods |
| 12:08.29 | Zhinjio | does anyone know if 3.0 is going to be next tuesday? I mean, I can speculate that it will be, but do we have blue psts or anything else confirming it? |
| 12:08.37 | orionshock | that need to update daily is what was causing all the problems |
| 12:08.43 | Zhinjio | oh. and ... G'morning, folks. |
| 12:08.44 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 12:08.49 | EvilJohn | orionshock: that's because the mods that tradiontally eeded frequet updating are stable |
| 12:08.58 | EvilJohn | but that's goign to change a crap ton here shortly |
| 12:09.05 | Arrowmaster | well really the majority of the problems was from the repacking on every library update |
| 12:09.06 | ReAn | orionshock: actually, i found it was the people that updated frequently that had the most problems |
| 12:09.16 | orionshock | MY POINT! |
| 12:09.20 | ReAn | especially w/ Omen |
| 12:09.21 | ReAn | omg |
| 12:09.34 | ReAn | every couple hours around 2.3 the danm mod would update |
| 12:09.42 | EvilJohn | boss mods, threat meters, unit frames are all going to be trashing when the new raid cycle begins |
| 12:09.43 | ReAn | and we had people who'd update maticulously |
| 12:09.45 | Arrowmaster | you mean 2.4? |
| 12:09.54 | ReAn | er, perhaps |
| 12:09.57 | orionshock | and still even with omen/threat - alot of commits where localization changes. |
| 12:10.02 | ReAn | honestly something changed around 2.3 i think too |
| 12:10.06 | orionshock | xpt 2.4 - threat in 2.4 was bad... |
| 12:10.18 | ReAn | but it wasn't just omen |
| 12:10.22 | ReAn | most mods in general |
| 12:10.24 | ReAn | i mean |
| 12:10.26 | Arrowmaster | before 2.4 yeah a lot of omen stuff was localization |
| 12:10.27 | ReAn | every major patch |
| 12:10.33 | ReAn | 85% of my mods still worked |
| 12:10.54 | ReAn | so i waited 2 days, and updated the broken ones |
| 12:10.56 | EvilJohn | hopefully 3.0 won't be as bad |
| 12:10.56 | orionshock | well 2.4 has a very basic fundamental change in it that just fubard alot of mods, no way around that. |
| 12:11.15 | ReAn | 2.4 fubared few on my list |
| 12:11.22 | ReAn | 3.0 will be a clean slate for me |
| 12:11.25 | ReAn | im gonna wipe it all |
| 12:11.27 | ReAn | mods |
| 12:11.29 | ReAn | WTF |
| 12:11.33 | ReAn | etc... |
| 12:11.42 | orionshock | EvilJohn: a lot of authors got in on the beta for wrath, so i'd imagine any respectful author would have already updated their mods. |
| 12:11.43 | ReAn | the this -> self change alone is bound to break most mods |
| 12:11.49 | vithos | heh, if you didn't update omen a lot around 2.4, it didn't work. |
| 12:11.55 | EvilJohn | I hope so orionshock |
| 12:12.02 | orionshock | i know i did |
| 12:12.09 | EvilJohn | now, if CC can just work |
| 12:12.16 | orionshock | i spent a good 20hrs loged into beta updating GuildCraft |
| 12:12.20 | EvilJohn | I'll give curse my $20 a year, if it works |
| 12:12.28 | ReAn | i didn't bother updating my mod, because trying to get enough time to stand around in fucking BGs in beta was a futile effort |
| 12:12.36 | ReAn | ill just patch mine once 3.0 comes out |
| 12:12.44 | ReAn | and i can afk properly in a bg w/ constant data |
| 12:13.01 | ReAn | i just focused on new mods |
| 12:13.29 | ReAn | need to finish my fucking software contract & uni assignment so i can focus on my mods some more before beta comes to a close |
| 12:13.30 | Arrowmaster | honestly i think they need two versions of the CC, since before the merger they said people liked all the extra stuff it did like the rss of the curse news and such which ment it needed to run all the time |
| 12:13.55 | ReAn | atm |
| 12:13.58 | ReAn | CC is useless to me |
| 12:14.09 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: honestly i think they need more programers on the CC, as i understand there is only 3? |
| 12:14.12 | Arrowmaster | but to get all the WAU/WowMatrix users there needs to be a CCLite that without ever having to change an option just runs, lets you update, and exits |
| 12:14.16 | ReAn | it doesn't even do it's primary task correctly |
| 12:14.18 | EvilJohn | the morea ddos you have the more useful it is |
| 12:14.21 | Arrowmaster | 3? |
| 12:14.26 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was 1 |
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| 12:14.47 | ReAn | there's 3 names on the project |
| 12:14.47 | orionshock | even worse, i think it's assinine to assume that 1 programer is enough for a project like this. |
| 12:15.05 | ReAn | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/ |
| 12:15.10 | EvilJohn | I was runign it, it mostly works |
| 12:15.19 | EvilJohn | am running it |
| 12:15.24 | EvilJohn | I think they're mostly down to edge cases |
| 12:15.29 | orionshock | EvilJohn: have you tried to use CC with an empty addon folder? |
| 12:15.38 | EvilJohn | no |
| 12:15.41 | Arrowmaster | EvilJohn: oh i didnt even realize you worked on it |
| 12:15.46 | orionshock | EvilJohn: try it |
| 12:15.50 | ReAn | EvilJohn: Every time i look at "My Addons List" it doesn't even show anything |
| 12:15.58 | ReAn | even after i've installed 1-2 mods with CC itself |
| 12:16.01 | EvilJohn | i'm not working on it, I offered to pitch in on a faq, but it's not stable enough to do it |
| 12:16.06 | orionshock | CC is designed to manage it all, so IMO let it; clear ur addon folder out and let the CC work it all |
| 12:16.24 | Xinhuan | that's a silly idea orionshock |
| 12:16.31 | Xinhuan | there are many good addons that don't exist on curse |
| 12:16.33 | EvilJohn | yeah, I don't like that idea either |
| 12:16.37 | ReAn | I'll give CC another shot when 3.0 comes out and i blank everything |
| 12:16.46 | orionshock | well - fill in the extras after CC has had it fill |
| 12:16.52 | ReAn | 2.0.0.13 is the most recent version right? |
| 12:16.55 | Xinhuan | or design CC to work properly? :) |
| 12:17.03 | Pneumatus | yeh, lots of addons are on wowi etc and not curse |
| 12:17.29 | EvilJohn | yes on 2.0.0.13 |
| 12:17.39 | orionshock | Xinhuan: i take what i can get, and i do what i can to get it.. and clearing it all out and letting it manage the folder to start IMO sounds right |
| 12:17.59 | Xinhuan | have you tried wowmatrix? :) |
| 12:18.02 | orionshock | the fact that there 1 one author on it, is a bit ... bad and backasswards |
| 12:18.08 | Xinhuan | it... works. |
| 12:18.09 | orionshock | Xinhuan: i did actualy, hated it |
| 12:18.14 | orionshock | ya it works... |
| 12:18.18 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix is evil |
| 12:18.28 | orionshock | but i don't like that program for other reasons technical not ethical |
| 12:18.28 | EvilJohn | did you post an bug report about the empty add on folder? |
| 12:18.47 | orionshock | EvilJohn: i havnt' trie |
| 12:18.54 | EvilJohn | okay |
| 12:19.03 | orionshock | EvilJohn: i havnt' tried - i run linux so i'd have to use the CC on wine and it dosn't quite work right... |
| 12:19.03 | EvilJohn | I will try it when I return from my exile. |
| 12:19.09 | theoddone33 | to be honest, that index always did bug me |
| 12:19.20 | theoddone33 | in my python script I told it exactly which addons to update |
| 12:19.31 | EvilJohn | roger that |
| 12:19.31 | theoddone33 | and it had to grab the entire index to check if any of them needed updating |
| 12:19.43 | EvilJohn | I wish they would have gone the java route |
| 12:19.46 | EvilJohn | for mac and linux |
| 12:19.54 | theoddone33 | I'm glad there is no java involved :) |
| 12:19.55 | EvilJohn | so it all ran the same |
| 12:19.59 | Xinhuan | you see, WAU worked by grabbing a list of ALL addons on wowace, and seeing if you have any of them installed on your wow |
| 12:20.01 | orionshock | ... they got their reasons |
| 12:20.08 | theoddone33 | Xinhuan: yeah |
| 12:20.13 | EvilJohn | yeah |
| 12:20.15 | EvilJohn | that's backwards |
| 12:20.17 | theoddone33 | I never understood that because I didn't use WAU |
| 12:20.17 | Xinhuan | CC doesn't do that, it worked by grabbing a list of what you have instaleld, and seeing/guessing if they matched an addon on curse |
| 12:20.18 | EvilJohn | easy |
| 12:20.19 | EvilJohn | but backwards |
| 12:20.20 | Xinhuan | that's totally backwards |
| 12:20.42 | theoddone33 | the other issue is that wowace was used as a catalog of mods |
| 12:20.51 | Fisker- | bah |
| 12:20.53 | Xinhuan | and in some cases |
| 12:20.54 | orionshock | tbh, unless the updater keeps meta data or puts files in the addon folder all updaters are going to suffer from the same name problem. |
| 12:20.56 | Xinhuan | CC guesses wrongly |
| 12:20.57 | theoddone33 | which it wasn't really designed to do,perhaps, until the last website change |
| 12:21.02 | Fisker- | Blizzard finally caved into broadcasting Blizzcon online |
| 12:21.05 | Fisker- | but only tourneys |
| 12:21.06 | Fisker- | :( |
| 12:21.12 | EvilJohn | Xinhuan: I found once it you square it away |
| 12:21.15 | EvilJohn | it works well |
| 12:21.20 | EvilJohn | Fisker-: I bought the DTV coverage |
| 12:21.22 | Xinhuan | that is true |
| 12:21.22 | EvilJohn | i'm so lame. |
| 12:21.33 | EvilJohn | right now my wife is making fun of me, I'm sure |
| 12:21.54 | theoddone33 | any solution is gonna have to either guess at mods or manage everything from a clean interface folder |
| 12:22.24 | theoddone33 | I'm thinking of making my own updater |
| 12:22.30 | theoddone33 | that relies on meta files in each mod folder |
| 12:22.32 | EvilJohn | theoddone33: I don't see that as a problem, generally speaking, since the CC client seems to do pretty well ONCE it's been clarified |
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| 12:22.40 | theoddone33 | with a svn/git/http update instruction |
| 12:22.52 | Fisker- | yeah EvilJohn i moved to america so i could buy the DTV coverage |
| 12:22.54 | EvilJohn | I'm sure some mods, I'll be using SVN/GIT to keep current |
| 12:22.59 | EvilJohn | Fisker-: I thought I was lame.... |
| 12:23.01 | Fisker- | i'm such a victim of modern commercialism |
| 12:23.13 | EvilJohn | you changed a whole country |
| 12:23.16 | EvilJohn | ;) |
| 12:23.21 | Fisker- | just kidding of course :P |
| 12:23.24 | EvilJohn | heh |
| 12:23.35 | EvilJohn | well I'm going to record the whole thing on my HAVA device |
| 12:23.50 | EvilJohn | so I can show my guildies relevant information |
| 12:24.12 | EvilJohn | DVR Capture, then capture at 720p from the hava, to hard drive, compress and share |
| 12:24.21 | EvilJohn | I'm pretty sure that's illegal |
| 12:24.23 | EvilJohn | oh well |
| 12:25.22 | Fisker- | But unlawful good if you share it |
| 12:25.23 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 12:25.31 | EvilJohn | anyway, back to the subject at hand, I think CC is getting pretty close to acceptable for day to day to use, once you can clarify where the addons live in the respository |
| 12:25.36 | EvilJohn | Fisker-: udnerstood. |
| 12:25.48 | theoddone33 | I hope you mean week to week use :) |
| 12:25.57 | EvilJohn | removing addon compilations has helped a TON |
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| 12:26.01 | Fisker- | uses it every minute >:3 |
| 12:26.16 | orionshock | if the new system had suck to SVN, you could stay bleeding edge by just doing an SVN check out of all ur mods and then use WAU to update them... |
| 12:26.29 | theoddone33 | I'm gonna try to cut down my mod dependence for wotlk so hopefully between that and the new stuff I'll find a good balance |
| 12:26.33 | EvilJohn | orionshock: but's what they're trying to avoid |
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| 12:26.54 | EvilJohn | theoddone33: I keep tryign to do that |
| 12:26.58 | theoddone33 | I'm pretty sure I have 5 mods installed right now that tell me when someone is healing |
| 12:27.06 | orionshock | well, WAU can and did for me update all my svn mods. all it did was an svn up on all the directorys |
| 12:27.08 | theoddone33 | and I still can't tell |
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| 12:27.22 | EvilJohn | orionshock: Right, and that's what they don't want |
| 12:27.28 | orionshock | sorta |
| 12:27.37 | EvilJohn | mods need to be tagged for some sort of release procedure |
| 12:27.42 | EvilJohn | just needs to happen |
| 12:27.59 | orionshock | im a developer, so me using all svn/trunk versions is actually OK |
| 12:28.18 | orionshock | im in tune enough with the system to be able to do that effectively |
| 12:28.18 | theoddone33 | is that how it works? |
| 12:28.25 | theoddone33 | I made this mod called hello world |
| 12:28.35 | theoddone33 | I think I should use all svn trunks |
| 12:28.46 | orionshock | theoddone33: lol |
| 12:28.47 | EvilJohn | checking in a file shouldn't constitute a GA new release, which is what happened before |
| 12:28.54 | EvilJohn | that just didn't work out |
| 12:29.16 | Arrowmaster | let me put it this way |
| 12:29.16 | EvilJohn | the bandwidth problem was the practical reason, the release mechanism was the theological one |
| 12:29.21 | Arrowmaster | if you are actually going to test |
| 12:29.22 | theoddone33 | I'm kind of an outsider but I like the idea of triggering autodistribs with an svn tag |
| 12:29.22 | orionshock | theoddone33: i made an addon or 2 - one is called SickOfClickingDailies, and the other one is GuildCraft :D |
| 12:29.25 | theoddone33 | which is apparently what happens |
| 12:29.34 | Arrowmaster | and can provide a valid error report |
| 12:29.48 | Arrowmaster | other than something like 'it gives me an error, pls fix' |
| 12:29.57 | Arrowmaster | you can update directly from the repos |
| 12:30.07 | orionshock | ^^ |
| 12:30.12 | EvilJohn | I hope read access stays |
| 12:30.14 | kenlyric | an outsider |
| 12:30.14 | EvilJohn | to SVN |
| 12:30.18 | kenlyric | are you a maverick? |
| 12:30.23 | EvilJohn | and that some jackass at wowmatrix doesn't abuse it |
| 12:31.13 | orionshock | oh #1 reason i don't like wowmatrix - i have to download their damn program each and every time i open the program. |
| 12:31.17 | Arrowmaster | did you see that comment on EJ from some guy asking wowmatrix to list his addon where wowmatrix replied and said curse was trying to shut them down |
| 12:31.49 | EvilJohn | heh |
| 12:31.49 | Xinhuan | no heh |
| 12:31.52 | Arrowmaster | and ofcourse the response is that curse is trying to force everybody to use their updater |
| 12:31.58 | Arrowmaster | ...... |
| 12:32.03 | EvilJohn | lock them out, more than shut them down |
| 12:32.10 | EvilJohn | shutting them down is just a bonus |
| 12:32.29 | Arrowmaster | actually since it was mentioned there i guess i can say it now |
| 12:32.50 | orionshock | tbh, hosting sites would have less a problem with wowmatrix if 1) they Open sourced their client 2) removed the ads or shared the $$ |
| 12:33.01 | EvilJohn | I think if you pay to get access to the mods, you should be able to use whatever updater you want. |
| 12:33.09 | EvilJohn | but that won't happen |
| 12:33.15 | Xinhuan | orionshock: i've stated clearly the only issue was the $$ |
| 12:33.15 | Arrowmaster | netcurse told me he wanted to pay the wowmatrix owner to shut it down, he was either going to pay them or pay lawyers to shut them down, and would rather do the easyer thing |
| 12:33.25 | Xinhuan | nobody would have complained if $$ wasn't involved |
| 12:33.41 | orionshock | Xinhuan: correct, but the opensource thing is more for user complaints |
| 12:33.49 | Arrowmaster | actually there are plans for an api for other updaters to use curse |
| 12:34.04 | Xinhuan | as long as that updater doesn't have ads RIGHT??? |
| 12:34.05 | EvilJohn | plans != reality |
| 12:34.15 | Arrowmaster | yet |
| 12:34.45 | Arrowmaster | part of the options for it are even shown on one of the user account pages |
| 12:35.46 | EvilJohn | I really started to enjoy how JWoWUpdater worked, once I got it all happy |
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| 12:35.56 | orionshock | Xinhuan: true, free is free, but when you put $$ in the mix, everyone wants their cut. just how biz is. |
| 12:36.11 | Xinhuan | at yet look at how many people use "ad blockers" in their browsers |
| 12:36.15 | Xinhuan | how is it any different |
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| 12:36.46 | EvilJohn | that's not really a fair comparison |
| 12:36.59 | EvilJohn | at least not for me |
| 12:37.19 | Pneumatus | have any of you completed the Loremaster of Kalimdor achievement on alliance? |
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| 12:44.33 | Elkano | most likely not... there was no reason to do it before the achievment and I personaly wouldn't wnat to go through that stuff in beta just to have to do it again after release... |
| 12:46.29 | Pneumatus | except you could just attempt it on live, then character copy :) |
| 12:46.54 | Arrowmaster | whats loremaster? |
| 12:47.18 | Fisker- | Completing a buttload of quests |
| 12:47.24 | Pneumatus | for the alliance kalimdor version, its 730 quests completed |
| 12:47.38 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 12:47.44 | Pneumatus | and 700 in eastern kingdoms |
| 12:47.45 | kenlyric | it's about 1300-1500 quests |
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| 12:47.56 | koaschten | i would tell you how many i had on my copy, but alas... coldarra is down again ... |
| 12:47.56 | kenlyric | for reference, I finished around 190 with RaF |
| 12:48.02 | Arrowmaster | i still need to copy my warlock over to beta and write down all the numbers for stuff i need to do |
| 12:48.27 | Pneumatus | with the current char copy time, you'll be lucky if its copied before 3.0 is patched live |
| 12:48.57 | Arrowmaster | to beta? |
| 12:49.00 | Arrowmaster | or to ptr? |
| 12:49.00 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 12:49.07 | Pneumatus | to beta, its currently about a 5 day wait |
| 12:49.13 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 12:49.29 | Pneumatus | yeh, my char copy i set last week only just made it over this morning |
| 12:50.41 | kenlyric | the hard part will be finding all of the out of the way quests you never did |
| 12:50.45 | EvilJohn | that's terrible, heh |
| 12:51.06 | Xinhuan | except it will be super easy |
| 12:51.07 | Xinhuan | in 3.0 |
| 12:51.12 | kenlyric | no |
| 12:51.12 | Pneumatus | not really |
| 12:51.17 | Pneumatus | you still need to know where to look |
| 12:51.18 | kenlyric | you'll have minimap icons |
| 12:51.20 | Xinhuan | as you can turn on "?" in the minimap for lowbie quests |
| 12:51.25 | EvilJohn | yeah |
| 12:51.29 | kenlyric | but yeah, you won't travel there unless you know there's a quest |
| 12:51.30 | EvilJohn | it should't be too hard |
| 12:51.40 | kenlyric | show on the world map, plz |
| 12:51.45 | EvilJohn | good lord |
| 12:51.55 | Pneumatus | say that again when you've tried it EvilJohn |
| 12:51.55 | Xinhuan | that would make it too easy to get the achievement |
| 12:52.13 | Pneumatus | even locating every single low level quest i can, im still about 50 quest short in Kalimdor |
| 12:52.23 | koaschten | someone gonna write a routes module, dump the quest starter data from wowhead and make you a route to move through ... |
| 12:52.27 | koaschten | someone... noone .... |
| 12:52.29 | kenlyric | well the game doesn't help you track which quests you've done. |
| 12:52.52 | EvilJohn | Pneumatus: ok |
| 12:53.01 | kenlyric | so you'd have to go to every quest giver to see if you've done their quests. |
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| 12:53.18 | Pneumatus | plus some quest givers wont show you a quest until you spoke to someone else |
| 12:53.22 | Pneumatus | so you could miss them on a first pass |
| 12:53.45 | EvilJohn | escort instance quests... |
| 12:53.57 | Xinhuan | that's why the achievement is an achievement ;p |
| 12:53.58 | EvilJohn | Gnomergan comes to mind |
| 12:54.02 | Xinhuan | i did every quest in every zone |
| 12:54.03 | kenlyric | and quests like that aren't linked in any way on wowhead |
| 12:54.11 | kenlyric | Xinhuan: how can you be sure? |
| 12:54.21 | Xinhuan | because i am |
| 12:54.25 | kenlyric | they *hide* zem |
| 12:54.29 | Xinhuan | i am that meticulous during my leveling process |
| 12:54.52 | EvilJohn | I think the system is rather silly, personally |
| 12:54.55 | Xinhuan | when i copied over my char to beta 3 months ago, the only zone i didn't have loremaster for was "shadowmoon valley" |
| 12:54.59 | Pneumatus | one thing wowhead could do would be to get the client to monitor changes to the loremaster achievements, so they could flag all the quests on wowhead |
| 12:55.00 | Xinhuan | which was listed at 29/30 |
| 12:55.10 | kenlyric | oh, you get loremaster per zone? |
| 12:55.10 | Xinhuan | and i had that quest i needed in my quest log lol |
| 12:55.16 | Xinhuan | for outlands, yes |
| 12:55.20 | kenlyric | oh |
| 12:55.20 | Pneumatus | only in outlands and northrend |
| 12:55.22 | kenlyric | :( |
| 12:55.23 | Xinhuan | for classic, only by continent |
| 12:55.31 | kenlyric | fuck a duck in a truck on a boat |
| 12:55.54 | sb|work | you have trucks on boats? |
| 12:56.00 | kenlyric | yes |
| 12:56.09 | kenlyric | have you never heard of a ferry? |
| 12:56.55 | sb|work | *sigh* :) |
| 12:57.18 | sb|work | i'm at work, my brain cant process normal stuff :o |
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| 13:02.52 | Trela | XML makes stab people too. |
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| 13:04.54 | Trela | I need to fix the file download link parsing, but otherwise I achieved my goal of fully understanding the Curse Client. http://www.nonamestudios.com/addons.php |
| 13:05.31 | orionshock | ZOMG FFS --- Illidari Council DOWNED |
| 13:05.33 | orionshock | :D |
| 13:05.48 | orionshock | ...sorry im in a BT guild... |
| 13:06.13 | Fisker- | Trela some of those links link back to your site |
| 13:06.18 | Fisker- | doh |
| 13:06.29 | Fisker- | orionshock zomg grats |
| 13:07.13 | EthanCentaurai | congrats onionshock! :D |
| 13:07.20 | EthanCentaurai | s/onion/orion |
| 13:07.24 | Fisker- | We just exactly managed to kill illidan ourselves :3 |
| 13:07.30 | Fisker- | Gotten 2 kills on him |
| 13:07.37 | Fisker- | Now people don't want to raid at the moment |
| 13:07.51 | EthanCentaurai | suddenly feels like an idiot. |
| 13:08.41 | Trela | As I said, I broke my XML parsing for the download URLs. The projects set with a default file of zero throw off my parser. |
| 13:08.57 | orionshock | we got the plate-dps hat, a prot , 2 vanq and a champ token |
| 13:09.21 | Trela | Nice. |
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| 13:09.38 | Xinhuan | except only 3 tokens drop |
| 13:09.45 | Xinhuan | and you listed 4 |
| 13:09.47 | orionshock | welll close.. |
| 13:10.10 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.12 | TNSe | lol |
| 13:10.21 | TNSe | last illidan kill we got 3 "#¤&("¤) shaman token chests |
| 13:10.34 | TNSe | I want MY chest already |
| 13:10.47 | Trela | It calls the GetCustomList to get an XML file listing my AddOns that I want which then the script parses the XML file for me to click on the links easily to update. Links in blue of course are freshly updated. |
| 13:11.12 | Arrowmaster | oh wtf |
| 13:11.22 | Arrowmaster | the latest beta patch is erroring on me |
| 13:11.30 | Trela | The 4mb one? |
| 13:11.30 | TNSe | whats it saying |
| 13:11.46 | Arrowmaster | 5mb |
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| 13:12.14 | waallen | TNSe! |
| 13:12.18 | Arrowmaster | erroring on patch-2.mpq and says my disk may be bad and suggests running the repair tool |
| 13:12.22 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt exist for beta |
| 13:12.26 | TNSe | wallen with an extra a! |
| 13:12.34 | waallen | yeah bitch |
| 13:12.47 | Trela | PC or Mac? |
| 13:12.49 | Arrowmaster | anybody have 9038 still installed? |
| 13:12.50 | Arrowmaster | pc |
| 13:13.02 | Trela | Not here. |
| 13:13.14 | Trela | Pretty much reinstall. :( |
| 13:13.27 | Arrowmaster | oh wait nvm, forgot that .mpq is repacked on install so theres no way to check a hash or anything |
| 13:13.30 | waallen | Arrowmaster: I was continuosly getting that error and in general #134 memory read errors; after few tests, I've managed to realize that WoW doesn't like my two 2gb DIMM sticks in dual-channel |
| 13:13.53 | waallen | as long as I put any of the two sticks out of the motherboard, this kind of errors will stop occurring |
| 13:14.31 | TNSe | waallen, I probably should know you right? :P |
| 13:14.50 | waallen | yes, wallen[LT] should ring you a bell |
| 13:14.55 | TNSe | it does. |
| 13:15.09 | TNSe | thats like long ago and like totally different game. |
| 13:15.24 | waallen | indeed |
| 13:16.30 | Trela | I just need to write a PHP function now to automatically fetch the newer files and package them into one installation zip file. |
| 13:17.06 | TNSe | I've changed now waallen |
| 13:17.08 | TNSe | I've become uh |
| 13:17.09 | TNSe | older |
| 13:17.10 | TNSe | mcuh older |
| 13:17.32 | waallen | how old? |
| 13:17.43 | TNSe | fuck dont remember, 30'ish something |
| 13:19.26 | waallen | too much CSHP coding! |
| 13:19.35 | waallen | if I remember the acronym right |
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| 13:19.50 | TNSe | I only did utpure :P |
| 13:19.52 | Adirelle|work | Trela, the labels mismatch the links |
| 13:20.02 | koaschten | interesting, i logon to coldarra and instantly i get disconnected from the serverafter choose a char to account login screen .... |
| 13:20.20 | Trela | I am aware. :D I am fixing that in my revision and making other changes before I update. |
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| 13:20.55 | TNSe | koaschten, did you log out inside an instance? |
| 13:21.09 | koaschten | no i was beating on a dummy in og when i got disc'd |
| 13:21.13 | TNSe | that happens to me if world server or instance serveri s down |
| 13:21.22 | TNSe | so kalimdor server is probably down |
| 13:21.26 | koaschten | usually you get dropped back to char selection |
| 13:21.26 | Trela | The parser I have available is not too sophisticated yet unfortunately. |
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| 13:21.32 | koaschten | and get "world server is down" ... |
| 13:21.44 | koaschten | and not get dropped to account login |
| 13:21.46 | TNSe | yeah, you usually get that |
| 13:21.50 | TNSe | unless if world serevr ain't down |
| 13:21.55 | TNSe | its just not accepting anyone |
| 13:21.58 | Funkeh` | koaschten, you suck |
| 13:22.00 | Funkeh` | and hi |
| 13:22.09 | koaschten | and not bad i gotta admit ! |
| 13:22.27 | koaschten | hmm i start sounding like Fisker- ... |
| 13:22.57 | TNSe | koaschten, give it time , drycode without testing! |
| 13:22.57 | Adirelle|work | Fisker- deceived me |
| 13:23.00 | koaschten | yeah, but how will i gather proc data for trinkets now? ;) |
| 13:23.14 | koaschten | ~whaleslap Fisker- |
| 13:23.15 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker- upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 13:23.16 | Funkeh` | I find it hard to believe he could deciever anyone |
| 13:23.28 | TNSe | koaschten, seen any trinkets that dont follow the 15% - 45s cd ? |
| 13:23.42 | koaschten | was playing around with Mirror of Truth |
| 13:23.44 | Adirelle|work | he managed to write some meaningful posts on the forums |
| 13:23.52 | koaschten | the point that it only procs on crit ... well you know |
| 13:24.00 | koaschten | early addon gear ... 22% crit |
| 13:24.09 | koaschten | was up to 18k hits and then the server went down |
| 13:24.17 | sb|work | lol |
| 13:24.18 | TNSe | did you lose log? |
| 13:24.29 | koaschten | not to mention the same last night at 1am when i was about to set up my unattended key masher to let it run over night ... |
| 13:24.39 | TNSe | >_< |
| 13:25.06 | sb|work | unattended????? :p |
| 13:25.11 | TNSe | ITS THE BETA |
| 13:25.13 | TNSe | ITS ALLOWED >_< |
| 13:25.14 | koaschten | doesnt look like i lost it... gonna filter it for only my stuff i guess... dont feel like zipping and uploading 90mb text |
| 13:25.19 | sb|work | oh ok! |
| 13:25.34 | koaschten | slaps sb|work around with 3 cheap usb sticks. |
| 13:25.47 | sb|work | :/ |
| 13:26.01 | sb|work | i still need to get one *sigh* |
| 13:26.12 | TNSe | koaschten, but have you found any trinkets that dont go by the x% proc, 45s internal cd? |
| 13:26.43 | Arrowmaster | i guess 3rd times the charm |
| 13:26.45 | koaschten | i only have that ;) |
| 13:26.49 | Arrowmaster | update didnt error this time |
| 13:26.54 | koaschten | and i dont feel like testing green trinkets |
| 13:27.07 | TNSe | hehe |
| 13:27.22 | TNSe | I'd prefer if blizz just made all trnkets have X% proc chance and 45s internal |
| 13:27.27 | TNSe | and balance around that on proc effect |
| 13:27.42 | waallen | oh, Proximo isn't working on the beta |
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| 13:28.10 | Arrowmaster | i thought they were all 3x buff length = internal cooldown |
| 13:28.57 | TNSe | glad they are removing most of the clicky trinkets tho |
| 13:29.08 | koaschten | hmm guess i can hand that data over to Aldriana / Vulajin / chalon ... 18k swings, 170+ procs |
| 13:29.15 | koaschten | should give some meaningful result |
| 13:29.20 | TNSe | 22% crit? |
| 13:29.27 | koaschten | yeah |
| 13:29.50 | koaschten | only did some casual naxx10, no 5mans |
| 13:29.56 | TNSe | just autoattacking? |
| 13:30.02 | TNSe | so 2.6s mh and 1.6 oh? |
| 13:30.14 | sb|work | 2.8/1.4 i think :p |
| 13:30.16 | koaschten | yup, with 0/0/0 and some 4.70% haste |
| 13:30.25 | koaschten | stupid sb|work i dont use glaives at 80 |
| 13:30.49 | sb|work | hm yes - sounds like Fisker- :p |
| 13:31.15 | koaschten | TNSe -> 157 haste, 4.79% -> 2.48 main 1.53 off, no haste procs |
| 13:31.27 | koaschten | but you can have the filtered log if you want ;) |
| 13:32.44 | TNSe | meh calculating it from a statistical point of view got annoying |
| 13:32.48 | TNSe | I'd need miss too |
| 13:32.56 | Arrowmaster | you know i completely forgot i had a premade on murmer |
| 13:34.50 | Fisker- | Why so hostile sb|work ? |
| 13:35.24 | TNSe | koaschten, easiest way to find procs is to simply see minimum time between 2 procs, otherwise you're gonna have to do it statistical, and with miss, crit and everything combined it gets very loose even with so much data |
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| 13:36.25 | koaschten | the point is... time between auragains with 22% crit is useless on a proc on crit item ;) |
| 13:36.28 | sztanpet | ohm, where is the aceevent3.0 documentation? |
| 13:36.59 | sztanpet | i got the getting started guide but is there anything more? |
| 13:37.37 | sztanpet | ah, i got it from google cache, nvm |
| 13:37.47 | Arrowmaster | old.wowace.com/wiki |
| 13:38.08 | sztanpet | ah ty |
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| 13:41.15 | TNSe | koaschten, not really |
| 13:41.32 | TNSe | proc-on-crit trinkets are potentially very strong even tho it only procs on crit |
| 13:41.49 | TNSe | most melee classes used the one from balck morass 'til council |
| 13:41.56 | EthanCentaurai | will the wiki be integrated into AceForge- sorry, the new WowAce somehow? like an extra link in the nav bar or merged into the Knowledge Base? |
| 13:42.08 | sztanpet | how can i fire an event in the AceEvent-2.0 namespace with aceevent-3.0, am i missing something? |
| 13:43.39 | Xinhuan | you can't, sztanpet, at least, not directly |
| 13:43.58 | EthanCentaurai | sztanpet: you can't. you will probably need CallbackHandler-1.0 to :Fire notifications |
| 13:44.12 | Xinhuan | you have to do something like LibStub("AceEvent-2.0"):TriggerEvent(...) |
| 13:44.22 | Xinhuan | and send the appropriate arguments |
| 13:44.32 | sztanpet | thanks ill look into it |
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| 14:07.02 | vithos | TNSe: that blue trinket until madness of the betrayer? seriously? |
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| 14:07.18 | TNSe | ye |
| 14:07.34 | TNSe | as gear progressed you got more and more crit |
| 14:07.48 | TNSe | this was before they added the badge trinkets |
| 14:07.59 | TNSe | and wayyy before magisters terrace |
| 14:08.32 | vithos | bloodlust brooch was out before bt was opened wasn't it? |
| 14:09.09 | TNSe | its unique |
| 14:09.29 | Curses | wasn't the ssc trinket rowdy? |
| 14:09.37 | vithos | warpspring coil or the battleshout one, the hit/poison trinket in kara |
| 14:09.43 | vithos | dst obviously |
| 14:09.55 | TNSe | dst obviously, but droprate obviously |
| 14:10.00 | vithos | bt rep trinkets even, depending on how fast you progressed i guess |
| 14:10.08 | TNSe | ditto battleshout/warpspring/hit/poison |
| 14:10.23 | TNSe | that BM trinket was farmable |
| 14:10.24 | vithos | ditto madness of the betrayer then. |
| 14:10.28 | vithos | if you want to use thar argument :P |
| 14:10.32 | vithos | i still haven't got one |
| 14:10.42 | TNSe | yes, many classes used that trinket through entire bt |
| 14:11.02 | TNSe | but I guess it was mostly arms warriors |
| 14:11.16 | TNSe | they dont need hit from the ssc trinket, and the battleshout one was drop stuff |
| 14:12.11 | TNSe | but this was early tbc :P |
| 14:12.24 | TNSe | shitloads of better twinkets now |
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| 14:17.00 | jzj | http://www.payhack.com/scripts/6781-22-nulled-clone-sites-scripts.html ==>>22 clone website nulled script script |
| 14:18.15 | Fisker- | vhaarr you are the protector of all that is good |
| 14:18.17 | Fisker- | that or nevcairiel is |
| 14:18.39 | Zhinjio | if there's anyone here in the mood for a perl question regarding nested hashes, PM me. I don't want to bother this channel with it |
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| 14:21.36 | laeg | good place to download blizzard updates? |
| 14:21.51 | jzj | payhack.com |
| 14:21.58 | jzj | to all your download :D |
| 14:22.24 | fewyn | laeg: try www.wowwiki.com/patch_mirrors |
| 14:25.11 | laeg | thanks |
| 14:25.20 | laeg | the blizzard downloader seems to stop on 'Waiting...' |
| 14:26.14 | laeg | i have ports 6112, 3724 and 6881-6999 open |
| 14:30.48 | Trela | WINS! |
| 14:30.54 | thul | "whatcha readin' for?!" |
| 14:31.30 | laeg | i on 2.4.3 but i haven't played for a few months so i've to pick up a gamecard later |
| 14:31.45 | laeg | will i be able to play with 2.4.3 or do i need to have 3.0.1? |
| 14:34.18 | durcyn | 2.4.3 until next week, allegedly |
| 14:34.59 | laeg | sweet |
| 14:35.56 | laeg | i think i'm going to buy gold this time around - auctioneer advanced is great but i just don't have to time to spend and hour or two everyday putting stuff up and scanning for bargains |
| 14:36.21 | EthanCentaurai | buying gold = ban |
| 14:38.40 | laeg | EthanCentaurai: surely most people slip through the cracks |
| 14:40.11 | Curses | depends on the amount you buy and who you buy from |
| 14:41.25 | koaschten | and being a jerk moral wise |
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| 14:45.18 | laeg | Curses: who is safe to buy from? |
| 14:45.29 | Curses | People you know ;) |
| 14:45.33 | laeg | haha |
| 14:45.40 | laeg | i don't hang around with nerds man |
| 14:45.40 | Curses | I sold and bought from guildmates only so |
| 14:45.45 | laeg | just kidding ;) |
| 14:45.47 | vhaarr | Fisker-: who told you this? |
| 14:45.49 | laeg | i'm their leader muahaha! |
| 14:45.51 | Curses | Heh |
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| 14:55.33 | Fisker- | i did vhaarr >:3 |
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| 14:57.15 | Elsia | heya |
| 14:57.35 | Elsia | is next tuesday patch day? |
| 14:58.47 | ShaneSveller | suspected and rumored to be so |
| 14:59.03 | Elsia | ok |
| 14:59.15 | dodga | woa.. is the download counter on curse accurate? |
| 14:59.52 | dodga | I mean.. come on. 195 downloaded my addon? That's like.. unpossible! |
| 15:00.45 | Elsia | there's been a reset since the wowace/curse revamp |
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| 15:01.01 | dodga | well even then. how can 200 people find that crap useful :D |
| 15:01.18 | Elsia | you gotta try to learn it's crap ;) |
| 15:01.34 | dodga | Oh I see, haven't thought of that :D |
| 15:02.09 | ulic | Elsia: I don't think the numbers got reset unless maybe you merged them funny or something. I merged my curseforge into wowace and I still have 70k downloads |
| 15:02.27 | Elsia | ah I see.. yeah recount got merged funny so |
| 15:02.28 | Xinhuan | "Users who liked BankItems also liked these: Omen Threat Meter" |
| 15:02.29 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 15:02.37 | Xinhuan | i went to curse.com to look at my addon |
| 15:03.22 | Xinhuan | "Users who liked Omen Threat Meter also liked these: AlarBGHelper" |
| 15:03.30 | Xinhuan | seriously? |
| 15:03.32 | thul | haha |
| 15:03.41 | thul | if you like a pve threat meter, you also like a pvp helper |
| 15:03.44 | thul | is not THAT logic? |
| 15:04.11 | Xinhuan | "Users who liked AlarBGHelper also liked these: GroupCalander" |
| 15:04.15 | Xinhuan | Yep. |
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| 15:05.12 | Industrial | hha |
| 15:05.14 | Industrial | haha* |
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| 15:18.29 | EthanCentaurai | what is the file path for the Fel Reaver's metallic roar? I'd like to have that as my Omen "OMG U DIE" notification noise :P |
| 15:19.43 | Xinhuan | for some giggles, i commited this today |
| 15:19.44 | Xinhuan | LSM:Register("sound", "You Will Die!", [[Sound\Creature\CThun\CThunYouWillDIe.wav]]) |
| 15:19.51 | Xinhuan | on wrath repo ;p |
| 15:24.36 | p3lim | hm cant add an avatar to my forum profile |
| 15:25.56 | p3lim | anyone know why? |
| 15:27.24 | Stanzilla | add it on curseforge |
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| 15:32.59 | Dotted | Xinhuan DO WANT! |
| 15:33.05 | Dotted | on live etc |
| 15:33.20 | Xinhuan | you could just do that now |
| 15:33.42 | Xinhuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.03 | Dotted | i owe you much man luv |
| 15:34.17 | Xinhuan | however, the change won't stick unless you actually run it every login |
| 15:34.31 | Dotted | i no longer owe you much man luv |
| 15:34.32 | Dotted | :( |
| 15:34.48 | Xinhuan | feel free to edit media.lua inside omen |
| 15:36.15 | Dotted | hmm that gets overwritten when the curse clients update omen :/ |
| 15:36.59 | Xinhuan | except i have no intention to update omen |
| 15:37.04 | Xinhuan | until patch 3.0 |
| 15:37.07 | Dotted | !!! |
| 15:37.20 | KriLL3 | isn't the ingame threat stuff sufficient for most people? |
| 15:38.26 | Dotted | 'http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/AceLocale-3.0' path not found <- WTB Externals fix for agUF |
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| 15:42.08 | KriLL3 | I love how my 45% crit ensures all my white dmg crits and all my yellow doesn't... |
| 15:42.33 | KriLL3 | oh yay, 433 swing crit, not a single crit on shred/mangle :< |
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| 15:51.22 | Silviu- | Xinhuan thx :) sound cool ;p |
| 15:51.26 | Silviu- | +s |
| 15:51.42 | Xinhuan | could be a problem if you are actually doing aq40 though |
| 15:51.43 | Lukian | KriLL3, haha. |
| 15:51.52 | Silviu- | Ne :) |
| 15:52.11 | Lukian | KriLL3, I'm amused by my ferocious bite (on the rare times I use it), always critting |
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| 15:54.11 | KriLL3 | yeah that's nice |
| 15:54.17 | KriLL3 | I use it against mobs often |
| 15:54.42 | KriLL3 | since you know it's gonna crit it's a nice finisher if you know your opponent has less hp than the guaranteed damage |
| 15:55.04 | KriLL3 | but yes, maim/savage is better midfight |
| 15:55.19 | KriLL3 | and now rake deals more dmg than your swings do... |
| 15:55.29 | KriLL3 | swings are just to renew OoC |
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| 15:57.27 | vhaarr | slaps Repo |
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| 16:01.13 | Xinhuan | @ping |
| 16:01.15 | Repo | pong |
| 16:01.48 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: closetgnome now 100% ace3 and 100% functional? :P |
| 16:02.03 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: yeah, except for the 3rd party plugins |
| 16:02.09 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 16:02.21 | vhaarr | it's not done yet though, but it should work |
| 16:02.34 | vhaarr | except maybe swapping items while creating a set, hm |
| 16:02.35 | Stanzilla | I guess I have to redo my sets because I used dafire's branch |
| 16:02.42 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 16:02.54 | Hjalte | I can't get TomTom to work with Routes. When I "start" TomTom, it does show an arrow to the nearest node, but it won't clear and show me the way to the next node. |
| 16:03.29 | Xinhuan | probably a tomtom issue, since routes has received no updates since June |
| 16:03.32 | vhaarr | nah seems to work |
| 16:03.48 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: I'd like some feedback on the UI, not sure I'm happy with the way to swap sets now |
| 16:03.54 | Xinhuan | but maybe i'll look into it next week |
| 16:04.02 | Stanzilla | I'll check it out later |
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| 16:11.27 | kolie | Anyone who had the 2.0.0.14 test release lastnight is broken: Fixed test release is here http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe |
| 16:13.48 | KriLL3 | test release isn't tested? :> |
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| 16:15.56 | Hjalte | kolie: I just install on top of the old client? |
| 16:17.17 | ShaneSveller | kolie: what was broken about it? |
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| 16:18.52 | kolie | Scan Addons doesnt work, Find an Addon was broke and didnt cache, and screen spam was eliminated |
| 16:19.38 | kolie | KriLL3: The point of the test release was to test it to the point of it being releasable, or use it to diagnose problems you had, or see the new features before they are in release. |
| 16:19.57 | kolie | Alpha/Beta/Release support is enough to want to switch to it right now, and it appears to work pretty good. |
| 16:20.10 | kolie | Only issue it has caused so far was scan addons stopped working, which is now fixed. |
| 16:20.46 | kolie | Find an Addon may crash at loadup still from old clients, im testing the compatibility now. |
| 16:21.20 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: I'm not sure if I like the rightclick stuff |
| 16:21.25 | vhaarr | exactly |
| 16:21.28 | vhaarr | try it a bit |
| 16:21.40 | Stanzilla | I will |
| 16:21.47 | vhaarr | and check the new option screen |
| 16:22.41 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: what bothers me most about the right click menu is actually that the tooltip gets in the way |
| 16:22.45 | vhaarr | without the tooltip it'd be better |
| 16:24.08 | KriLL3 | anyone knows an addon or a plugin for an addon etc that opens containers in your bags automagically? tired of clicking a million clams etc |
| 16:24.51 | KriLL3 | always fun to kill aquatic creatures and have 30+ clams in your bags |
| 16:25.10 | EthanCentaurai | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.18 | vhaarr | that's not what he asked for |
| 16:25.25 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: tekkub's Cork has a Shuck Clams option for scrollwheel "keybind" |
| 16:25.36 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: I'll look into it, thx |
| 16:25.39 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: works kind of like SmartBuff with a broader scope |
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| 16:26.24 | KriLL3 | btw anyone knows an addon that blacklists certain items from being looted? |
| 16:26.35 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I haven't actually tried that functionality cause my beta toon didn't have any clams, etc. |
| 16:26.38 | KriLL3 | I'm thinking of soulbound rep gain items for factions I'm 999/1000 with etc |
| 16:27.34 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: you don't do any dailies? :> naga coast on QD = a ton of clams |
| 16:28.02 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: only recently hit 60 even and when i copied my main was 55 |
| 16:28.04 | jaxdahl2 | did you know clams stack in wotlk? |
| 16:28.16 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: oh, that's nice |
| 16:28.19 | sb | vhaarr: oRA / bigwigs next then? ;) |
| 16:28.22 | KriLL3 | how do you open em? click the pile over and over? |
| 16:28.28 | jaxdahl2 | yea, you 'use' the item |
| 16:28.34 | jaxdahl2 | it's not a container anymore |
| 16:28.46 | KriLL3 | it just spits out it's content? |
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| 16:28.50 | KriLL3 | no loot window? |
| 16:29.01 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: look on wowint for Karni's Crap Filter |
| 16:29.17 | profalbert | ckknight: ping |
| 16:29.27 | Elgren | Hello guys, I was wondering if there was a buff adon that supports cycircled? |
| 16:29.38 | Elgren | want cycircle skin on my buff buttons |
| 16:29.38 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: thx :> |
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| 16:29.47 | vhaarr | sb: actually I think violation is next, but yeah then bigwigs and ora2 are not far off, I already converted them to LDB at least |
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| 16:30.00 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I'd seen it before but had to go looking for the name, also haven't tried that one but i probably will |
| 16:30.03 | KriLL3 | Elgren: buttonfacade has more or less replaced cycircled |
| 16:30.10 | Elgren | oh yeah |
| 16:30.15 | Elgren | ill try that out |
| 16:30.21 | Elgren | can I reskin my buffs with that? |
| 16:30.26 | KriLL3 | no idea |
| 16:30.28 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: looks pretty robust |
| 16:30.29 | Elgren | k |
| 16:30.34 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: kk :) |
| 16:30.41 | KriLL3 | Elgren: it depends on the addon |
| 16:30.56 | KriLL3 | dunno what buff addons supports buttonfacade, cycircled etc |
| 16:31.12 | ShaneSveller | Buffalo is supposed to support one of them i think |
| 16:31.14 | EthanCentaurai | Elgren: FacadeBuffs can skin your buffs :) |
| 16:31.17 | KriLL3 | I don't think elk does |
| 16:31.22 | Aeyan | FacadeBuffs works well |
| 16:31.44 | KriLL3 | what's facadebuff? a pure buff addon with skin choices or some king of tie-in? |
| 16:31.59 | ShaneSveller | looks like it just skins blizz's buffs |
| 16:31.59 | ckknight | hey profalbert |
| 16:32.22 | KriLL3 | I use elk, too bad you can't change the icons, no biggy though |
| 16:32.32 | Elgren | oh |
| 16:32.37 | jaxdahl2 | KriLL3, not sure exactly, here's an example: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=36781 |
| 16:32.39 | Elgren | can It also reskin pitbull buffs? |
| 16:32.40 | Aeyan | Yeah, it's just buttonfacade skinning for the buffs plus scale and moving of the default position |
| 16:32.50 | Silviu- | kolie still no options to install without libs ;p |
| 16:32.51 | Aeyan | No |
| 16:33.03 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: does it do the same for older clams? |
| 16:33.09 | ShaneSveller | Aeyan: interesting... |
| 16:33.11 | kolie | Silviu-, never said I added it. |
| 16:33.16 | Silviu- | ;p |
| 16:33.16 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24476 http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=24476 |
| 16:33.21 | jaxdahl2 | note the difference |
| 16:33.26 | kolie | You could download from a Feed URL which had no libs. |
| 16:33.28 | KriLL3 | :( |
| 16:33.38 | KriLL3 | oh wait |
| 16:33.42 | KriLL3 | lk and tbc |
| 16:33.56 | KriLL3 | * :) |
| 16:34.15 | kolie | Infact, I have an amusing way to do it. beta normal releases, alpha, nolibs. if you want no lib set alpha, otherwise set beta, release beta tag then alpha tag, and viola. |
| 16:34.48 | ShaneSveller | two questions, is Sellfish one of the better item price mods? and what is the most popular lib for timer bars? CandyBar, or something newer? |
| 16:35.03 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: I use auctioneer, it has sellprice stuff |
| 16:35.18 | KriLL3 | cannon and mosquito kind of thing though |
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| 16:35.25 | ShaneSveller | what about on 3.0? |
| 16:35.25 | Aeyan | Sellfish is great and LibBars was created to replace CandyBar, I think |
| 16:35.30 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: true. and I like the config menu in the interface options |
| 16:35.44 | vhaarr | thanks |
| 16:35.50 | Josh_Borke | woohoo! |
| 16:35.52 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: did you read the text? :P |
| 16:35.53 | Josh_Borke | i reached level 1! |
| 16:35.57 | quiescens | grats |
| 16:36.05 | KriLL3 | no idea, I haven't used that many addons on 3.0 yet, seems a lot of my old favs are MIA :z |
| 16:36.10 | Josh_Borke | on project euler that is |
| 16:36.16 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: yes^^ |
| 16:37.19 | Aeyan | jaxdahl2: Haha, I just read a comment on the 'updated' clam. |
| 16:37.26 | Aeyan | "Can not be opened while silenced." |
| 16:37.53 | KriLL3 | O_o |
| 16:38.02 | Xinhuan | reply to it |
| 16:38.02 | KriLL3 | "open sesame? |
| 16:38.09 | Xinhuan | "you need to yell YAAAAR" to open it |
| 16:39.07 | Elgren | I started using Curse Client recently, and I have a problem. I get dependency missing errors in some of my mods |
| 16:39.10 | KriLL3 | I guess it's handled like a spell |
| 16:39.15 | Elgren | seems like it doesnt update with externals |
| 16:39.21 | Elgren | and I cant find a seting to do that |
| 16:39.43 | ShaneSveller | Elgren: it does by default but if you haven't re-installed anything then you won't have the dependencies |
| 16:40.04 | ShaneSveller | It probably recognized your addons as being up-to-date and left them alone |
| 16:40.13 | KriLL3 | I saw somewhere on a site something about running ace addons in a .bat so you could run em on another core than the game, anyone got a linky for a how to? |
| 16:40.19 | Elgren | so what should I do? |
| 16:40.38 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: wuzzat? Like the addons work on a different thread than the game engine? |
| 16:40.43 | kolie | By default, imported addons WILL NOT be reinstalled with the curse equivalent |
| 16:40.50 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: something like that, or at least the libs |
| 16:41.09 | laeg | does anyone know if there's any sign of blizzard increasing the macro size from 255 for wotlk? |
| 16:41.15 | KriLL3 | I'm sick and tired of wow stuttering at times and max using 50% of core 1 & 2 :/ |
| 16:41.16 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I kinda doubt that's possible, it sounds questionable |
| 16:41.24 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: kk |
| 16:41.34 | KriLL3 | yeah I wasn't about to run a .bat out of the blue... =P |
| 16:41.49 | Elgren | so how do I get the externals for my mods? |
| 16:41.59 | KriLL3 | Elgren: magic? |
| 16:42.18 | kolie | Elgren: in your addon list, does it show category or author |
| 16:42.24 | Elgren | yea |
| 16:42.26 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 16:42.33 | Xinhuan | what addon is missing libs? |
| 16:42.41 | Elgren | sec |
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| 16:42.46 | Elgren | I klicked through a few |
| 16:42.48 | kolie | Elgren: That means, it didnt do anything with the addon |
| 16:42.48 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I just don't think the lua embedded into WoW is threaded, and there's definitely no way to selectively have just some on another thread |
| 16:42.51 | Elgren | StarTip is |
| 16:42.52 | Fisker- | [2008/10/09 18:39:00-4417-x1]: LibCrayon-3.0\LibCrayon-3.0.lua:243: Obsolete library registered. Crayon-2.0 is already registered at version 52899. You are trying to register version 33000. Hint: if not AceLibrary:IsNewVersion("Crayon-2.0", 33000) |
| 16:42.53 | kolie | all it did was import it. |
| 16:42.55 | Fisker- | Begun to get this >:E |
| 16:43.02 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: kk :< |
| 16:43.13 | Elgren | I got all these adons from WAU |
| 16:43.21 | KriLL3 | just seems like something that isn't directly tied into the game should be able to reside on another core |
| 16:43.43 | KriLL3 | and I'm puzzled as to why wow only ever uses 50% of core 1 & 2, it effectively only uses 1 of my 4 cores |
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| 16:43.57 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: sure, I wish. maybe at a later time, but they only just recently enabled real multicore support |
| 16:44.07 | KriLL3 | does that mean I could run 4x wow clients at the same time? XD |
| 16:44.12 | kolie | Elgren: It didn't touch your addons is all im saying. If you want it to download the latest zip from curse.com, then you can right click -> update the addon. |
| 16:44.16 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:44.30 | Xinhuan | because wow is programmed to only use 2 cores maximum |
| 16:44.31 | Elgren | ive done that on all my adons |
| 16:44.35 | Xinhuan | if you have 4, it just picks 2 of them |
| 16:44.38 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: LK makes better use of multicores than TBC? |
| 16:44.39 | Elgren | still fubar is missing AceLibrary |
| 16:44.50 | Elgren | Startip is missing externals too |
| 16:44.57 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: but TBC only uses a max of 50% of your 2 cores |
| 16:44.58 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: "recently" may have been misleading lol, I think 2.4.x was legit multicore support |
| 16:45.01 | kolie | let me check Elgren |
| 16:45.10 | Xinhuan | why would it use more than what it needs KriLL3? |
| 16:45.12 | kolie | if you go to fubar |
| 16:45.14 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: still only uses tops 50% of core 1 & 2... |
| 16:45.15 | kolie | and click see addon details |
| 16:45.19 | kolie | what link does it go to |
| 16:45.24 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: well it stutters at times and maxes out at 50% |
| 16:45.31 | KriLL3 | entering a capital etc |
| 16:45.43 | Xinhuan | if it stutters the choke point is likely to be disk caching or loading |
| 16:45.47 | KriLL3 | it should be allowed to go up to 100% |
| 16:45.50 | Xinhuan | and not the CPU |
| 16:45.57 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 16:45.59 | Xinhuan | textures do take time to load |
| 16:46.12 | Xinhuan | with bandwidth limitations between your disk-cpu-gpu |
| 16:46.33 | ShaneSveller | even if your fsb is whatever the next step up from 1333 is *drool* |
| 16:46.37 | Fisker- | Zeksie you there? |
| 16:46.40 | KriLL3 | I got plenty of games with large textures and they don't stutter like that, I got 4GB of quick ram and 800MB~ of G-RAM |
| 16:46.55 | Xinhuan | a single character |
| 16:47.01 | Xinhuan | is a few thousand polygons |
| 16:47.15 | Xinhuan | multiply that with about 100 ppl, that's a few mil polygons ;p |
| 16:47.21 | KriLL3 | well compared to UE3 games, crysis etc wow isn't exactly demanding... |
| 16:47.35 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: doesn't it only need to calculate uniques? |
| 16:47.36 | quiescens | I doubt wow characters are a few thousand polygons |
| 16:47.37 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:47.50 | ShaneSveller | druid forms are <1000 |
| 16:47.51 | Xinhuan | unsure |
| 16:48.02 | KriLL3 | most games that have multiple identical elements only needs to calculate each once |
| 16:48.05 | KriLL3 | or something like that |
| 16:48.09 | quiescens | druid forms may as well be sprites anyway |
| 16:48.11 | fewyn | Anyone know of any addons that work with 3.0 and live for dkp systems? I'm looking for one that would work with a normal bid dkp system. |
| 16:48.28 | KriLL3 | that's why static meshes are popular in UE games, each mesh only needs a little resources, repeat it a million times and doesn't need much more |
| 16:48.34 | KriLL3 | quiescens: indeed |
| 16:48.40 | Xinhuan | in any case, the problem isn't the CPU |
| 16:48.52 | Xinhuan | its likely disk-cpu transfer or something like that |
| 16:49.09 | KriLL3 | though it's fun to run around QD questing in feral forms, and some naab in S1/PvE gear tries to gank you, turn slowly around, shift to caster for 1-2 secs so they see your S4 gear, raep. |
| 16:49.15 | ShaneSveller | I wish it made better use of my RAM, though my definition of "better" is questionable. |
| 16:49.38 | ShaneSveller | I want it to go linux-style. Load stuff and keep loading more stuff until you fill it all up and then wipe out anything that hasn't been touched in a while |
| 16:49.41 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: my PC isn't a donkey, I run Crysis on med/high |
| 16:50.06 | ShaneSveller | Cache anything and everything it can, I have 4GB to play with |
| 16:50.13 | KriLL3 | same |
| 16:50.28 | KriLL3 | imo it should pre-load resources for places you're likely to go next |
| 16:50.40 | Xinhuan | i don't think wow is that smart |
| 16:50.44 | kolie | I show fubar 2 comeint with ace library , Elgren |
| 16:50.45 | KriLL3 | the tram, flightpaths etc should all pre-load the content of the next place you're going |
| 16:50.47 | Xinhuan | wow is programmed to also work on very low end systems |
| 16:50.47 | ShaneSveller | Partly it's their lowest-common-denominator approach |
| 16:50.55 | Xinhuan | and probably doesn't even cache stuff |
| 16:50.59 | ShaneSveller | which is why people are still playing on old p4s and crap |
| 16:51.16 | KriLL3 | I don't mind that, but it shouldn't spin it's wheels on better rigs |
| 16:51.36 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: yeah. it's just hard to optimize for both, y'know? |
| 16:51.38 | KriLL3 | true |
| 16:51.40 | fewyn | so no one with dkp addons? |
| 16:51.54 | KriLL3 | though UE3 scales nicely between 1 to 8~ cores |
| 16:52.10 | KriLL3 | it checks how many you got and divides tasks among them |
| 16:52.41 | Xinhuan | when wow was first written in 2001 or so, dual cores didn't even exist ;p |
| 16:52.57 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: there's only so much that can be spread out until you run into sync issues |
| 16:52.58 | KriLL3 | it even notices C2Q chips and puts the heavy load on #1 & #3 (since 1,2 and 3,4 shares L2) |
| 16:53.18 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: the solution is putting tasks that doesn't need to be synced into different threads |
| 16:53.43 | KriLL3 | UE3 has rendering on 1 & 3, AI on 2 and physics + a ton of other small bits on 4 |
| 16:53.45 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: right, which is what they do. but a lot of the overhead is in all those processes that need syncing in one or two threads |
| 16:54.06 | ShaneSveller | I miss UT3, I'll have to dig that out this weekend |
| 16:54.11 | quiescens | 1+1=3 |
| 16:54.13 | Fisker- | slaps Zeksie around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.32 | KriLL3 | I really like UT3, though it's a big too frantic for me now, I'm not as much of a twitch gamer anymore =P |
| 16:54.36 | Fisker- | Or actually i should slap kolie |
| 16:54.48 | Fisker- | Because apparently curse client doesn't know how to install stuff |
| 16:54.52 | ShaneSveller | if that's really the case wrt core usage, my rig with quad core and sli should smoke on UT3 |
| 16:55.00 | ShaneSveller | but with maxed settings I was getting 80-100fps |
| 16:55.26 | ShaneSveller | Q6600, 2x8800GT, 1680x1050 |
| 16:55.58 | pentium166 | do you consider 80-100 fps on ut3.. bad? |
| 16:56.04 | KriLL3 | I'm on a Q6600 @ 3.2Ghz + GTX260 :> |
| 16:56.16 | KriLL3 | 1680x1050 also |
| 16:56.27 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 16:56.33 | Xinhuan | that's very highend |
| 16:56.35 | ShaneSveller | pentium166: lol it's not stunning |
| 16:56.41 | KriLL3 | I dunno my FPS in UT3, I got it locked on 60 to avoid tearing |
| 16:56.47 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: indeed |
| 16:56.54 | ShaneSveller | aircooling? |
| 16:57.00 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 16:57.02 | ShaneSveller | nice |
| 16:57.13 | KriLL3 | that big zalman cooler, and an antec p190 case |
| 16:57.35 | pentium166 | i don't even get 60 in wow and i imagine it is less demanding than maxed settings UT3 |
| 16:57.40 | Fisker- | my case is superior >:3 KriLL3 |
| 16:57.48 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: ohrly? O |
| 16:57.53 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:57.54 | KriLL3 | I'll be the judge of that, link! |
| 16:58.07 | ShaneSveller | I have the 900 |
| 16:58.20 | ShaneSveller | 40+ lbs of steel and ridiculous amounts of airflow ftw |
| 16:58.29 | KriLL3 | mine got 2x 140mm fans, 1x 200mm fan, 3x 120mm fans, and a PSU tunnel |
| 16:58.29 | pentium166 | the 900 is pretty awesome |
| 16:58.42 | Fisker- | http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=258&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=61 |
| 16:58.56 | ShaneSveller | if i want to cool myself off i put my face over the exhaust fan on top |
| 16:59.02 | Fisker- | Gonna be my case until the ATX standard dies :P |
| 16:59.03 | ShaneSveller | that's how great it is |
| 16:59.28 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: mine got 2x 140mm fans ontop, it's not even hot air that's coming out :D |
| 16:59.51 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: does it have a proper separation between the PSU and the rest? |
| 16:59.58 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I have a 300mm up top and four 120mm elsewhere |
| 17:00.05 | ShaneSveller | two front, one back, one side |
| 17:00.14 | ShaneSveller | front are over the hdd cages |
| 17:00.16 | KriLL3 | errm, 300mm doesn't fit on an ATX case, is it a cube? |
| 17:00.39 | ShaneSveller | it's a full tower, it accounts for about 60% of the entire top of the case |
| 17:00.50 | KriLL3 | nice |
| 17:00.54 | KriLL3 | I got a 200mm on the side |
| 17:01.01 | Fisker- | KriLL3 yeah 3 zones |
| 17:01.06 | Fisker- | PSU, HDD, Motherboard |
| 17:01.15 | Fisker- | 3x120MM going from the front on each zone |
| 17:01.17 | KriLL3 | it blows air onto the CPU, ram, and videocards :D |
| 17:01.21 | ShaneSveller | http://www.computercrazyonline.com/mods/antec900/antec900mod20.jpg |
| 17:01.23 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: nice |
| 17:01.31 | ShaneSveller | (not mine, same case tho) |
| 17:01.40 | KriLL3 | no PSU seperation? :( |
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| 17:01.46 | Fisker- | Only thing a bit weird is the layout + space you have |
| 17:02.09 | Adirelle | ok, so what should I do if I got dc in an instance 24 hours ago on beta ? |
| 17:02.11 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: it's the same fan as mine, 200mm |
| 17:02.11 | ShaneSveller | psu on bottom is interesting but it works out for me |
| 17:02.38 | KriLL3 | the PSU is best at the bottom imo, easier to separate it's thermal impact and it's better to the case's stability |
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| 17:02.46 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: my bad, i just remember it being 8 inches across |
| 17:03.03 | KriLL3 | I'm in euroland, inches doesn't tell me anything =P |
| 17:03.08 | pentium166 | i have wires for my onboard sound threatening to stick into the fan on my psu in the 900 because it's on the bottom |
| 17:03.19 | pentium166 | until i tied them or something |
| 17:03.36 | KriLL3 | pentium166: most good cases separate the PSU into it's own tunnel |
| 17:03.55 | KriLL3 | mine has a HDD cage and the 2 PSUs in a tunnel in the bottom |
| 17:04.17 | ShaneSveller | the lian-li's are nice but always struck me as overpriced |
| 17:04.24 | KriLL3 | http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationalevents/cebit2007/MD/antec/P190.2.jpg |
| 17:04.45 | pb_ee1 | P181 ! |
| 17:04.46 | KriLL3 | yeah I it took some time to choose between antec and lian-li for me |
| 17:04.49 | pb_ee1 | ha no :( |
| 17:04.50 | KriLL3 | P190 |
| 17:04.51 | pb_ee1 | P190 :(- |
| 17:04.54 | KriLL3 | it's big brother |
| 17:04.57 | pb_ee1 | got the 181 |
| 17:05.04 | pb_ee1 | omg |
| 17:05.09 | KriLL3 | I got the P190, and my back isn't thankful |
| 17:05.17 | ShaneSveller | haha |
| 17:05.21 | pb_ee1 | lol |
| 17:05.23 | KriLL3 | it's a couple of KG of solid steel |
| 17:05.41 | KriLL3 | and all panels are steel + plastic to make em more rigid and sound dampening |
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| 17:05.57 | ShaneSveller | same mats as the 900, different layout is all |
| 17:05.58 | KriLL3 | the feet are made of silicon so you can't just push it around either... |
| 17:06.00 | KriLL3 | need to lift it |
| 17:06.14 | Adirelle | gah... can't the server sends my toon back where its stone is bound :/ |
| 17:06.23 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: well it has better cooling, but costs more, and it's not as stylish, it's a black box. |
| 17:06.35 | Fisker- | I had the P182 once |
| 17:06.36 | KriLL3 | and it's bigger I think |
| 17:06.42 | Fisker- | or wait |
| 17:06.44 | Fisker- | it was another one |
| 17:06.50 | Fisker- | but the motherboard tray was broeken :( |
| 17:07.10 | KriLL3 | mine doesn't have a tray since it has cable management behind |
| 17:07.15 | jaxdahl2 | i have one of those cases, i can't remember the exact name |
| 17:07.20 | jaxdahl2 | but it's fairly nice |
| 17:07.23 | KriLL3 | love cable management, all cables are behind the mobo etc |
| 17:07.36 | jaxdahl2 | i think i have the P182 |
| 17:07.54 | jaxdahl2 | http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/cases/Antec%20P182/p182-01.jpg |
| 17:07.57 | KriLL3 | the P190 is essentially it's older brother that's taken steroids most of his life |
| 17:08.02 | ShaneSveller | allegedly the 900 is 31lbs / 14kg empty |
| 17:08.32 | KriLL3 | 8.4 says antec's site |
| 17:08.44 | KriLL3 | 19.6KG on the P190 =P |
| 17:08.58 | KriLL3 | that includes the 2 PSUs though since they're part of the package |
| 17:09.14 | jaxdahl2 | only issue i had is http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/cases/Antec%20P182/p182-09.jpg |
| 17:09.32 | jaxdahl2 | the middle 3.5" bay tabs -- i had to bend 'em in to install my 9600gtx |
| 17:09.55 | ShaneSveller | boo |
| 17:10.09 | KriLL3 | http://www.sweclockers.com/imagebank/200706/InsidaStor002.jpg |
| 17:10.14 | KriLL3 | the P190 is a lot longer |
| 17:10.20 | ShaneSveller | wow, i guess so |
| 17:10.28 | Matrix110 | that URL fails |
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| 17:10.36 | jaxdahl2 | yea, you have more room on the p190 there, KriLL3 |
| 17:10.43 | KriLL3 | even comes with some plastic parts you can addon onto the 3.5 bay to hold full length cards |
| 17:10.45 | KriLL3 | Matrix110: it wins! |
| 17:11.03 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: it can fit extended ATX mobos with 2 CPUs :> |
| 17:11.06 | ShaneSveller | Matrix110: it worked fine for me |
| 17:11.13 | Matrix110 | No thats not the point |
| 17:11.26 | jaxdahl2 | note to self: make sure the SATA ports are in a good spot on your next motherboard |
| 17:11.33 | Matrix110 | Ive read something else than swe clockers first :P |
| 17:11.46 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: mine are sideways, cleaner but a lot harder to access |
| 17:11.55 | ShaneSveller | jaxdahl2: definitely |
| 17:12.04 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/asus_m2n_e.jpg |
| 17:12.17 | jaxdahl2 | look where the #5 and #6 ports are |
| 17:12.27 | KriLL3 | wtf |
| 17:12.28 | jaxdahl2 | if you have a huge gfx card like the 9600gtx |
| 17:12.49 | jaxdahl2 | i had to jam it in there, thankfully it fits, barely |
| 17:13.04 | jaxdahl2 | but it's bending down slightly (the sata cable) |
| 17:13.08 | KriLL3 | http://pctuning.tyden.cz/ilustrace3/obermaier/Rampage_Formula/Ram_3_big.jpg mien |
| 17:13.19 | Matrix110 | asus fail |
| 17:13.35 | KriLL3 | Asus Rampage Formula Republic of Gamers |
| 17:13.39 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: we've got very similar boards, mine is striker extreme |
| 17:13.45 | KriLL3 | Matrix110: Asus is win, except their stupid software |
| 17:13.47 | jaxdahl2 | oo, i like that, KriLL3 |
| 17:13.54 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: it's expensive :> |
| 17:13.56 | ShaneSveller | http://www.maxitmag.com/images/stories/reviews/asus/striker/asus-striker-big.jpg |
| 17:14.17 | KriLL3 | it has some utterly pointless stuff also, like leds showing voltages on 6 components etc |
| 17:14.21 | Matrix110 | Asus has overpriced products, worst support possible and its asus |
| 17:14.31 | KriLL3 | and a LCD you hook up to the mobo with a wire that shows the time... |
| 17:14.40 | jaxdahl2 | why do they even put floppy drive controllers on these motherboards? |
| 17:14.43 | ShaneSveller | my lcd is built in, sits near the eSATA port |
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| 17:14.55 | KriLL3 | Matrix110: their products aren't priced any differently than most others |
| 17:15.06 | ShaneSveller | Matrix110: what do you prefer then? |
| 17:15.11 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: my plate got a on/off and wipe Cmos button... |
| 17:15.19 | Matrix110 | jaxdahl because backwards comptabability is the best..... not |
| 17:15.22 | KriLL3 | on the mobo next to the button pins also... |
| 17:15.24 | Matrix110 | *compat |
| 17:15.25 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I'd rather have that, mine are in the corner |
| 17:15.31 | KriLL3 | can you tell it's meant for OCing? =P |
| 17:15.39 | Matrix110 | I prefer Gigabyte boards |
| 17:15.42 | jaxdahl2 | anyone ever build your own computer desk? |
| 17:15.44 | KriLL3 | you don't need a case to use it, and no need to bridge pins with a screwdriver |
| 17:16.00 | EthanCentaurai | kolie: ping |
| 17:16.01 | KriLL3 | oh and it's the X48 chipset :> |
| 17:16.02 | jaxdahl2 | i've noticed that CPUs are much easier to install than they were about 5 years ago |
| 17:16.13 | jaxdahl2 | to be specific, the HSF assembly |
| 17:16.13 | KriLL3 | yeah no more stupid pins on the CPU |
| 17:16.16 | ShaneSveller | jaxdahl: frak yeah they are. ZIF yay |
| 17:16.17 | EthanCentaurai | no wait never mind, me being thick again :( |
| 17:16.26 | Matrix110 | jaxdahl Slot CPUs were easiest to install :P |
| 17:16.31 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: it's getting even easier with nehelem |
| 17:16.42 | jaxdahl2 | i used to scare myself to death when putting 50 lbs of force on a screwdriver to install the HSF |
| 17:16.44 | KriLL3 | they've put a big metal plate around the socket |
| 17:16.46 | jaxdahl2 | and it would slip |
| 17:17.02 | jaxdahl2 | thankfully there's usually nothing too critical around there |
| 17:17.06 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: bah, gouging the epoxy doesn't do much... |
| 17:17.20 | kolie | EthanCentaurai? |
| 17:17.21 | Repo | 10statlogiclib: 037destiny * r182 StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: koKR Update |
| 17:17.28 | KriLL3 | nowadays you got banks of capacitors around the CPU, always fun to poke em... |
| 17:17.42 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: shouldn't the LDB feed for bigwigs be a type="launcher"? |
| 17:17.58 | EthanCentaurai | kolie: don't worry, I thought I found a problem with Curse Client 2.0.0.14, but it turns out I'm being dumb :P |
| 17:18.12 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: dunno, it doesn't launch anything except the menu atm |
| 17:18.23 | KriLL3 | does CC update itself or do I need to do it manually? |
| 17:18.31 | kolie | EthanCentaurai: I still find it interesting, what happened? |
| 17:18.31 | KriLL3 | the client, not the addons that is |
| 17:18.34 | Matrix110 | The only "scary" installing was in the Athlon (XP) era with free DIEs and high crack potential now with Heatspreaders its easy as cake to install the CPUs even thogh if you dont got a clue what the fuck you are doing you can still fuck up Pins etc. :D |
| 17:18.40 | kolie | The client will update itself by default. |
| 17:19.19 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: I think that meets the specc of a launcher, I just wondered because some display addons treat launchers differently. I use tekkub's MakeRocketGoNow for all launcher types |
| 17:19.31 | KriLL3 | Matrix110: sounds almost as fun as the P4 days, installing heatsinks near a KG just to keep it from frying on idle, had to remove the cooler when moving the case not to snap the mobo, you saw it bulge. |
| 17:20.04 | KriLL3 | I still have a P4 Prescott 3.0 |
| 17:20.05 | Matrix110 | P4 was a flawed design anyway :P |
| 17:20.07 | EthanCentaurai | kolie: I scanned the addons for updates and thought that an addon posted on the 7th of October had been updated with a file dated 8th of September :) |
| 17:20.08 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 17:20.27 | EthanCentaurai | kolie: I misread the American date system :( |
| 17:20.32 | EthanCentaurai | sorry |
| 17:20.32 | Matrix110 | but its kinda bad for AMD that the Core 2 architecture is that good |
| 17:20.38 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.13b-3-ge489824 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] streamlined the default macro combining a bit |
| 17:20.45 | kolie | My bad for using american dates :) |
| 17:20.59 | EthanCentaurai | My bad for being dumb :P |
| 17:21.06 | KriLL3 | I got it downclocked to 2.0 to use a reasonable cooler |
| 17:21.19 | KriLL3 | why does the US use a date format that's all mixed up? |
| 17:21.23 | sb | kolie: mh, i have a problem :p |
| 17:21.28 | KriLL3 | ordered by "size" makes more sense |
| 17:21.31 | kolie | Whats an mh? |
| 17:21.37 | sb | "hmm" |
| 17:21.47 | kolie | oh. |
| 17:21.48 | kolie | Ok. |
| 17:21.52 | kolie | Whats your problem. |
| 17:22.07 | KriLL3 | allergies? |
| 17:22.12 | sb | kolie: i switched to "beta" and refreshed the list |
| 17:22.18 | sb | (curse client that is) |
| 17:22.19 | kolie | Refreshed what list |
| 17:22.34 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 037destiny * r173 RatingBuster-Locale-koKR.lua: RatingBuster: fix koKR |
| 17:22.38 | EthanCentaurai | the installed addon list :) |
| 17:22.40 | sb | now i switched back to release but it still shows me all those updated beta addons |
| 17:22.53 | sb | so it suggests me to update, but there is no updated release - only beta |
| 17:23.04 | sb | is there a way to clear that 'update found' mark? |
| 17:23.14 | kolie | Yea, right click -> Update |
| 17:23.18 | jaxdahl2 | am i the only one that likes to look up random years in the future in wikipedia and see what is going to happen in that year? |
| 17:23.22 | kolie | So let me follow this more precisely. |
| 17:23.49 | kolie | You were GLOBALLY set to release. |
| 17:23.49 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: how does wikipedia know? |
| 17:23.49 | jaxdahl2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2054 |
| 17:23.49 | KriLL3 | timetravel? |
| 17:23.50 | kolie | You changed that to Beta, and hit "refresh" ? |
| 17:23.50 | sb | right |
| 17:23.50 | jaxdahl2 | "The 2002 film Minority Report is set in this year." |
| 17:23.52 | kolie | Ok that doesnt do anything in itself. |
| 17:23.56 | kolie | What did you do after that. |
| 17:24.01 | jaxdahl2 | "Michael X's file in the British National Archive remains classified until the 1st of January 2054" |
| 17:24.08 | sb | "check for updates" |
| 17:24.09 | sb | :) |
| 17:24.10 | kolie | ( refresh just refreshes the display with the same data that was in the DB 2 seconds ago ) |
| 17:24.13 | kolie | Ok so check for updates |
| 17:24.17 | kolie | Not auto installing |
| 17:24.21 | sb | right |
| 17:24.22 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: we'll know after that year if MR is fiction or not? :> |
| 17:24.23 | kolie | It flagged them as neededin updates |
| 17:24.28 | sb | yup |
| 17:24.32 | kolie | then You did NOT update them, and went back to release mode. |
| 17:24.36 | sb | right |
| 17:24.49 | kolie | Ok if you revert to a lower release type, I can clear all flags, sounds reasonable. |
| 17:24.49 | sb | because i saw there are some wotlk versions tagged as beta |
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| 17:24.58 | kolie | I would set those individually. |
| 17:25.03 | kolie | Or stay at beta. |
| 17:25.04 | sb | yup |
| 17:25.14 | kolie | It's not a bad place to be ;) |
| 17:25.21 | sb | *sigh* ;) |
| 17:25.25 | KriLL3 | sb: YOU'RE NOT PREPARED! (for beta) |
| 17:25.41 | kolie | Yea but to reset those currently, right click update, it will only get release if its set back now. |
| 17:25.41 | sb | kolie: so its a missing feature! :P |
| 17:25.46 | sb | hmm okay |
| 17:25.47 | EthanCentaurai | lol KriLLidan :D |
| 17:26.15 | sb | so it doesnt download the displayed version but the version specified in settings :p |
| 17:26.27 | fewyn | I AM PREPARED (for beta) |
| 17:26.31 | kolie | What it does when you click update |
| 17:26.48 | kolie | is get the latest feed from curse.com, parse it, which is done based on your settings at the time of the parse |
| 17:26.55 | sb | okay |
| 17:27.01 | kolie | so the display is told, show this as needing an update, but thats all |
| 17:27.13 | kolie | When an addon is updated/installed, it always say clear update flag. |
| 17:27.22 | kolie | Nothing told it to clear the flag, its still set. |
| 17:27.46 | kolie | No info is stored about potential updates, other then that there is one. |
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| 17:28.34 | kolie | Oh yea, I took out the 5 second cant click download my addon because its waiting to load the ad. |
| 17:30.04 | KriLL3 | I really hope addon authors makes a push, would suck to patch to 3.0.2 and loose most of your addons :z |
| 17:30.20 | EthanCentaurai | kolie: are the lines in the Change Log Viewer meant to look like this -> Thu Oct 09 18:21:02 2008 > Installing addon: Bartender4Installing addon: Bartender4 |
| 17:30.37 | Primer | My start button stopped working...again...I love how these web sites claim that it's most likely due to 1) virus/spyware, 2) corrupt system files, 3) registry damage |
| 17:30.38 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r697 AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-Keybinding.lua: |
| 17:30.39 | kolie | hmm |
| 17:30.39 | Repo | Merge a hotfix for a recycling issue in the keybinding widget |
| 17:30.43 | Primer | They forgot 4) Windows plain sucks |
| 17:30.43 | kolie | looks like I appended twice. |
| 17:30.51 | EthanCentaurai | or is there only supposed to be Thu Oct 09 18:21:02 2008 > Installing addon: Bartender4 |
| 17:30.58 | KriLL3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_time <-- go thar kolie |
| 17:31.17 | Arrowmaster | should consider making a lite version of the client, or atleast a lite installer that default settings to things only needed for updating addons, like no news stuff and automticly exit after updating |
| 17:31.21 | KriLL3 | 2008-10-09 16:59 <-- ISO time |
| 17:31.40 | sb | kolie: there is still no version display in that addon list! :) |
| 17:31.45 | Hjalte | Hmm. What is a pizza bar in DBM? |
| 17:31.46 | ShaneSveller | Can we not have the cgProfiler or whatever it is auto-installed? or is that already fixed? |
| 17:31.51 | kolie | I can do year month day |
| 17:31.53 | kolie | that doesnt bother me. |
| 17:32.03 | kolie | sb: Not going to happen. |
| 17:32.08 | sb | meh :/ |
| 17:32.10 | ShaneSveller | y-m-d is reasonable to me |
| 17:32.11 | KriLL3 | kolie: that format sorts by date if you sort by name :> |
| 17:32.35 | kolie | KriLL3? |
| 17:32.38 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 17:32.49 | KriLL3 | 2008-10-09 2008-10-10 etc |
| 17:32.56 | ShaneSveller | anyone have or looked at the Antec 1200 case? |
| 17:33.03 | kolie | I dont sort by the display value |
| 17:33.12 | kolie | I sort by the time_t representing it. |
| 17:33.19 | KriLL3 | kolie: just saying it looks better |
| 17:33.32 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: it doesn't have PSU separation, that's key imo |
| 17:33.44 | kolie | Someone files a year month day ticket, ill change it next cycle of ticketing I do. |
| 17:33.45 | KriLL3 | though I guess you could add a plate |
| 17:34.29 | sb | kolie: is it possible to color addon list by release type? |
| 17:34.31 | Primer | windows registry...WORST IDEA EVER! |
| 17:34.41 | Primer | stupid windows |
| 17:34.42 | sb | black = release, green = beta, red = alpha or something like that |
| 17:34.44 | KriLL3 | Primer: how so? |
| 17:34.47 | ShaneSveller | kolie: i like that idea a lot |
| 17:34.53 | KriLL3 | better than a million .ini files |
| 17:34.59 | Primer | negative |
| 17:35.17 | Primer | all your eggs in one basket |
| 17:35.23 | kolie | not making the client look like tijuana. |
| 17:35.23 | Primer | basket goes, EVERYTHING goes |
| 17:35.28 | KriLL3 | true |
| 17:35.34 | KriLL3 | though you can back it up |
| 17:35.44 | Primer | plus if you re-install, your settings are gone |
| 17:35.51 | Primer | and you have to re-install and reconfigure everything |
| 17:35.59 | kolie | red is taken anyways. |
| 17:36.01 | KriLL3 | that's true for most things |
| 17:36.13 | Primer | I like that about wow. You can just copy the directory over, and it Just Works(tm) |
| 17:36.22 | KriLL3 | I tend to move the userdocs etc to another partition than the OS, and backing it up |
| 17:36.33 | Primer | userdocs? |
| 17:36.35 | Primer | wtf is that? |
| 17:36.35 | ShaneSveller | kolie: what about small color-coded icons next to the <insert column here> |
| 17:36.42 | pentium166 | documents and settings folder? |
| 17:36.43 | KriLL3 | documents, appdata etc |
| 17:36.44 | sb | kolie: meh, giev client source %-) |
| 17:36.52 | Primer | that's not the registry |
| 17:36.59 | KriLL3 | no |
| 17:37.03 | KriLL3 | but it helps if your OS tanks |
| 17:37.04 | kolie | Icons maybe. |
| 17:37.05 | sb | kolie: or some webservices api |
| 17:37.07 | Primer | besides, you can't move that crap while windows is running |
| 17:37.17 | kolie | api? wireshark it. |
| 17:37.24 | kolie | Its trivial, its all get/post |
| 17:37.37 | pentium166 | a lot of non-ms software stores its settings in your user directory instead of the registry |
| 17:37.43 | pentium166 | so it does help |
| 17:37.44 | sb | kolie: and its encrypted :p |
| 17:37.52 | kolie | no? |
| 17:37.52 | KriLL3 | Primer: you can point windows to another folder and it moves the contents of the current folder there |
| 17:37.57 | sb | kolie: huh? |
| 17:38.05 | kolie | Not encrypted? |
| 17:38.41 | Primer | start button won't work until I reboot...so gay |
| 17:38.42 | sb | the addon feed isnt encrypted? (aka "tell me something about addon xyz...") |
| 17:39.00 | KriLL3 | Primer: terminate explorer and start it again? |
| 17:39.27 | KriLL3 | sb: what addons you use is the kind of info you want encrypted? |
| 17:39.31 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: wish the speed switches on the 900's fans were external like the p190 |
| 17:39.53 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: my PC isn't in the same room as my monitors + desk etc, so I got it at full tilt :> |
| 17:39.54 | Primer | yeah, that worked...I just hate doing it |
| 17:40.10 | KriLL3 | Primer: what windows version? |
| 17:40.28 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: how'd you work that out? extended cabling? |
| 17:41.00 | Primer | XP SP3 |
| 17:41.02 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: it's not that far away, only a few USB cables had to be extended, it's on the other side of the wall my desk is against, got a hole near the floor where the cables pass through |
| 17:41.28 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: gotcha. |
| 17:41.31 | KriLL3 | and the hole is covered by a kind of lit that lets the cables fit snugly |
| 17:41.35 | KriLL3 | *lid |
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| 17:41.50 | ShaneSveller | well, lunchtime, later folks |
| 17:42.23 | KriLL3 | I extended the cables for the power & IDE leds and on/of & reset switch and put my own leds and switches on the side of one of my monitors :> |
| 17:43.20 | KriLL3 | I like the concept of having all input/output on a desk and moving all components of the actual machine away from sight |
| 17:43.41 | Primer | that's nice |
| 17:43.46 | Primer | I wish I could do that |
| 17:43.52 | Primer | but there's no "other room" |
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| 17:44.02 | KriLL3 | outdoors is nice and cool :> |
| 17:44.07 | Primer | I have 2 machines under my desk too |
| 17:44.23 | Primer | and they noticeably increase the heat in this room |
| 17:44.44 | KriLL3 | I have one machine in my room but it's not hooked up to my monitors, got a dell desktop PC with a Pentium D in a closet, it's a fileserver |
| 17:45.14 | KriLL3 | keeps my clothes nice and warm |
| 17:45.45 | Primer | So I recently uninstalled Cart 2 and installed mapster. Does mapster or another addon show people on the map? Like, guildies, friends, etc, with map addons? |
| 17:46.04 | KriLL3 | errm cart2 does that by itself |
| 17:46.40 | KriLL3 | well guildies at least, dunno about buddies, almost all my buddies are in my guild |
| 17:46.46 | Primer | well, I know that some addons are able to talk to each other, like threat addons |
| 17:46.58 | KriLL3 | they use the same libs |
| 17:47.00 | Primer | like omen can read that other one's transmissions |
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| 17:47.44 | Arrowmaster | either mapster has it or handynotes, i forget which somebody was going to make a module for |
| 17:47.49 | Primer | I think I'm gonna miss that... |
| 17:48.17 | KriLL3 | almost all HH parts are superfluous if you have cart2 it seems |
| 17:48.22 | Primer | I also liked how cart made parts of the map transparent |
| 17:49.17 | Tornhoof | hm is there any funciton to query which keyboard key is currently pressed? |
| 17:51.03 | KriLL3 | is there a way to change what pitbull shows in combat and out of combat? |
| 17:51.15 | KriLL3 | say I don't want an XP bar showing in combat? |
| 17:51.50 | Hjalte | So is there any way of watching Blizzcon if living outside of USA? |
| 17:51.51 | KriLL3 | it's confusing since I'm a kitten, I got hp, energy and mana showing in kittenform, thus having an xp bar also is a bit... odd |
| 17:52.01 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: got a crystal ball? |
| 17:52.21 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r698 RC1/: Re-integrate RC1 branch into trunk |
| 17:52.26 | Hjalte | KriLL3: It doesn't really seem to be working at the moment. |
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| 17:53.47 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r699 : Proper layout |
| 17:53.59 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r700 : Proper layout, take2 |
| 17:55.18 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel 07RC1 * r701 : Cleanup old layout |
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| 17:58.09 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel 04Beta-r701 * r702 : Tag as Beta-r701 |
| 17:59.05 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: I got a nice large and oval one, for that HD widescreen experience |
| 17:59.57 | Hjalte | KriLL3: Lovely. Maybe we can convince someone from the USA to point his webcam to the screen if he's bought the pay-per-view casting! |
| 18:00.21 | KriLL3 | blurovision! |
| 18:00.47 | KriLL3 | I expect it to appear online somewhere |
| 18:01.04 | Hjalte | I'm afraid that it won't, but I sure hope it does. |
| 18:01.20 | KriLL3 | I didn't say legit |
| 18:02.01 | KriLL3 | a bit odd that blizz doesn't use their torrent system to distribute vids of the event |
| 18:02.32 | KriLL3 | wouldn't cost much to rent a camera crew, distribution would cost near nothing. |
| 18:03.10 | jaxdahl2 | they probably get kickbacks from dtv |
| 18:03.40 | Gnarfoz | do same-named mobs of differing levels have differing mobids? |
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| 18:05.30 | Fisker- | hurts nevcairiel :( |
| 18:06.03 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:07.02 | Gnarfoz | great =) |
| 18:12.37 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.13b-4-gfd2c5e9 / (9 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] options should be intuitive again (still need to rework the combat macro) |
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| 18:13.07 | KriLL3 | jaxdahl2: perhaps, but most of the world can't access what ever pay-per-view thing they use |
| 18:13.32 | Repo | 10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r84 / (17 files in 10 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0: |
| 18:13.32 | Repo | - Copyright stuffs |
| 18:13.33 | Repo | - Beta version of data miner |
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| 18:16.36 | Repo | 10yata: 03Tornhoof 07wotlk * r37 / (4 files in 1 directory): - Fixed options, further support for modifiers |
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| 18:16.47 | NeoTron | I need to make a LibHighLordNeotron I think |
| 18:17.33 | fewyn | Time for the ultimate test of the Curse Client... my live UI |
| 18:17.51 | [SW]Dodge | fewyn: CurseClient will fail :> |
| 18:18.03 | NeoTron | fewyn: backup! |
| 18:18.07 | fewyn | Already did |
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| 18:18.19 | [SW]Dodge | fewyn: back up your backup! :D |
| 18:18.37 | fewyn | i set it to use alpha copies |
| 18:18.38 | KriLL3 | it actually works fine with my live UI |
| 18:18.41 | fewyn | not the release versions |
| 18:19.11 | KriLL3 | how do you set CC to update live and beta at the same time? |
| 18:19.38 | fewyn | gotta keep switching the installed directory |
| 18:19.41 | fewyn | i'm going to assume |
| 18:19.53 | KriLL3 | can you install the client twice and have different settings for each? |
| 18:20.04 | KriLL3 | or does it clash? |
| 18:20.13 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: no, 1 client 1 set of settings |
| 18:20.15 | fewyn | i think the settings are in the registry |
| 18:20.25 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: nice |
| 18:21.10 | [SW]Dodge | and if oyu change the game directory it fails imo as it does not rescan the new directory |
| 18:21.41 | [SW]Dodge | i changed to my ptr directory and it still keept all addons of my live install |
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| 18:22.07 | kadrahil | world server is down right after a restart! gg |
| 18:22.20 | KriLL3 | kadrahil: WAI |
| 18:22.34 | kadrahil | cries |
| 18:22.57 | fewyn | Hmm... kolie: shouldn't |
| 18:23.04 | fewyn | CC delete things when i click uninstall? |
| 18:23.11 | KriLL3 | I think so |
| 18:23.13 | kolie | hi? |
| 18:23.17 | fewyn | it's not though |
| 18:23.19 | kolie | What version. |
| 18:23.23 | fewyn | 2.0.0.14 |
| 18:23.27 | KriLL3 | dunno if it deletes your WTF stuff |
| 18:23.33 | kadrahil | so it seems that i'm not going to be a purely macro smashing class after 3.0 |
| 18:23.34 | kolie | It deletes what it installs. |
| 18:23.34 | kadrahil | in raids |
| 18:23.35 | fewyn | i don't want it to touch my WTF folder |
| 18:23.38 | kadrahil | that makes me feel somewhat good |
| 18:23.38 | kolie | Which is the addon and its files. |
| 18:23.50 | fewyn | oh |
| 18:24.02 | fewyn | so if i had a preexisting install not made with CC it still w on't delete? |
| 18:24.07 | KriLL3 | fewyn: well imo un-installing an addon should remove it's WTF entries |
| 18:24.07 | fewyn | even know i told it which addon it was |
| 18:24.10 | kolie | It would delete any file it overwrote. |
| 18:24.13 | Aens|Superiority | does anyone know if onebag will be updated for 3.0? |
| 18:24.17 | fewyn | Hmm |
| 18:24.20 | KriLL3 | if I don't want to use it for a while I just move the folder out of the addons folder |
| 18:24.21 | kolie | But, not files that were existing, that it didnt install. |
| 18:24.30 | fewyn | going to be a pain to do this then le sigh |
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| 18:24.44 | kolie | fewyn: What I do is ctrl-a shift-delete |
| 18:24.46 | kadrahil | be a man, use the default ui :P |
| 18:24.53 | fewyn | i'm deleting now =p |
| 18:24.56 | fewyn | going to start ovr |
| 18:24.57 | fewyn | over |
| 18:24.59 | kolie | Ok |
| 18:25.02 | kolie | uninstall them from client first |
| 18:25.06 | kolie | :) |
| 18:25.07 | fewyn | i am |
| 18:25.12 | KriLL3 | I don't use a bin, so it's ctrl+a & delete for me :> |
| 18:25.14 | kolie | That or blank is brain. |
| 18:25.29 | kolie | s/is/its |
| 18:25.34 | fewyn | wanted to see how well CC worked now that it seems mostly bug free |
| 18:26.04 | kadrahil | does anyone get stuck at the loading screen sometimes after the world server dies? |
| 18:26.07 | kadrahil | or is that just me |
| 18:26.13 | kadrahil | (on beta obviously) |
| 18:26.20 | KriLL3 | kadrahil: errm, that's universal |
| 18:26.28 | kadrahil | just making sure |
| 18:26.28 | kolie | No but I get CTD every 5 minutes. |
| 18:26.41 | kolie | O wait this isnt waruidev. |
| 18:26.42 | kolie | :) |
| 18:27.28 | kadrahil | a character with that name already exists |
| 18:27.31 | kadrahil | owned again |
| 18:27.43 | kadrahil | i bet i log in dead too :D |
| 18:27.44 | KriLL3 | my nick came from the beta's randomizer |
| 18:28.08 | KriLL3 | since <-- doesn't really fit a fantasy game |
| 18:28.11 | pentium166 | i wish i only got a ctd with war! |
| 18:28.22 | kolie | pentium166: its unplayable. |
| 18:28.26 | pentium166 | it blue screens windows when i use my creative sound card |
| 18:28.36 | kolie | I would trade sound for being able to play. |
| 18:28.40 | pentium166 | seems to be fine with the onboard though |
| 18:28.52 | pentium166 | :( |
| 18:28.54 | KriLL3 | sounds like a nice "feature" |
| 18:29.07 | KriLL3 | rubbish soundcard? ok! nice shiny one? CRASH! |
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| 18:29.55 | pentium166 | well, i wouldn't call the audigy 2 nice and shiny, but it's better than the onboard |
| 18:29.57 | KriLL3 | creative aren't brilliant though |
| 18:30.16 | KriLL3 | I got an audigy 2 ZS |
| 18:30.19 | kolie | He even has sound and complains. I WOULD PLAY WITH NO SOUND IF ONLY THE PLAYING PART WORKED :( |
| 18:30.21 | KriLL3 | don't see the point of updating |
| 18:30.50 | pentium166 | well, i didn't figure out that it was the sound card until last time i played |
| 18:31.00 | kolie | The sound card issue is prevalent on the forums. |
| 18:31.14 | kolie | I read a bunch of people saying it when I was looking for a CTD solution |
| 18:32.03 | KriLL3 | ctd? |
| 18:32.19 | pentium166 | crash to desktop |
| 18:32.20 | kolie | crash to desktop |
| 18:32.26 | kolie | with no accompanying text. |
| 18:32.30 | kadrahil | man it takes like 5 minutes for this crap to timeout |
| 18:32.32 | kolie | It just exists, gone. |
| 18:32.36 | kadrahil | when it says your character already exists |
| 18:32.39 | KriLL3 | better than a BSOD |
| 18:32.53 | kolie | I'd take a BSOD, those give a mini dump I can trace to the issue. |
| 18:33.14 | KriLL3 | BSODs can cause data corruption |
| 18:33.24 | kolie | I'd take a BSOD. |
| 18:33.34 | *** join/#wowace charon (n=thomas@unaffiliated/charon) |
| 18:33.38 | Tornhoof | minidump |
| 18:33.44 | KriLL3 | I'd take a CTD with a message :> |
| 18:33.47 | Tornhoof | from dbghlper.dll |
| 18:34.05 | kolie | KriLL3: Then its not a CTD ;) |
| 18:34.07 | KriLL3 | bsods only ever tell you numbers etc, not that helpful |
| 18:34.16 | KriLL3 | kolie: then what ever term is used for that =P |
| 18:34.19 | kolie | KriLL3: They also generate minidumps. |
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| 18:34.31 | KriLL3 | kolie: I've never gotten anything useful out of those |
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| 18:34.43 | pentium166 | when windows restarted after my bsods it brought up a "your system has recovered from a serious error" thing and then took my to microsoft's site where it blamed the audio drivers |
| 18:34.46 | kolie | Ever use windbg? |
| 18:34.53 | KriLL3 | I guess it's because that machine had an hardware issue, so software dunno why it just broke |
| 18:34.57 | Tornhoof | mellem: ich glaub ich kauf mir fröschhe |
| 18:35.02 | Tornhoof | hmm wrong paste |
| 18:35.09 | Tornhoof | http://code.google.com/p/wowequipoptimizer/source/browse/trunk/wowequipoptimizer/exception.cpp |
| 18:35.21 | KriLL3 | kolie: well what's the OS supposed to tell me if the PSU is dying? =P |
| 18:35.24 | Tornhoof | how to create a minidump from std apps |
| 18:35.38 | KriLL3 | I don't think it can tell you that |
| 18:36.09 | kolie | I'm talking about game crashes? I don't know how you extended what I was saying to hardware failures. |
| 18:36.31 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 037destiny * r93 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Boss-3.0: koKR Update |
| 18:36.31 | KriLL3 | well a BSOD can be caused by hardware failure |
| 18:36.46 | KriLL3 | just saying you don't get anything useful out of the dump in that case |
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| 18:37.19 | pentium166 | Still a better result than the CTD, I think, because it might let you know that you need to replace something |
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| 18:37.27 | pentium166 | Instead of just thinking that the game is buggy |
| 18:37.57 | ShaneSveller | man, I love it when a new album release is actually great and not just a total musical backslide |
| 18:38.14 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: is this a fictional album? |
| 18:38.55 | ShaneSveller | lol, well, subject to your taste in music, Rise Against's latest offering (Appeal To Reason) is very good. Just shy of how good Sufferer & The Witness was. |
| 18:39.40 | KriLL3 | just saying it seems most albums nowadays are just compilations of old singles, most of which were on the last album |
| 18:41.28 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: that's often the case, and particularly with the music i listen to, most existing bands have put out really poor albums in comparison with their earlier work |
| 18:41.31 | ShaneSveller | or just very different. |
| 18:42.17 | kolie | hurray for international time standard displays. |
| 18:42.17 | ShaneSveller | See: Funeral For A Friend for an example of the latter |
| 18:42.21 | KriLL3 | I listen to electronica, most of that never appears on an album |
| 18:42.36 | KriLL3 | kolie: you're using the ISO format? :> |
| 18:43.05 | Repo | 10statlogiclib: 03Whitetooth * r183 StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 18:43.05 | KriLL3 | I don't understand why the US mixes it up so it's no longer in order of size |
| 18:43.05 | Repo | StatLogicLib: |
| 18:43.06 | Repo | - Support level in item links |
| 18:43.09 | Repo | - Death Knight: Updated Frost Presence |
| 18:43.13 | Repo | - Druid: Updated Dire Bear Form, Moonkin Form |
| 18:43.20 | kolie | KriLL3: because we like it. |
| 18:43.33 | KriLL3 | same as the imperial unit scale? =P |
| 18:43.40 | kolie | When announcing the date I say it is month the day, 2008 |
| 18:43.43 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: we like being ass-backwards, tyvm =P |
| 18:43.50 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: kk |
| 18:43.55 | Cartas | dd/mm/yy |
| 18:44.17 | KriLL3 | kolie: I'm Name of Day: YYYY-MM-DD |
| 18:44.25 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: that's why we elected bush, and waged war, etc. etc. |
| 18:44.27 | KriLL3 | or just YYYY-MM-DD |
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| 18:44.49 | pentium166 | In a computing environment, largest to smallest makes the most sense to me, regardless of how you read the date out loud |
| 18:45.06 | KriLL3 | I'm a 24h guy also |
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| 18:45.11 | KriLL3 | seems most common in parts of Europe |
| 18:45.50 | KriLL3 | I'd say the time is "twenty" atm |
| 18:46.00 | kolie | its 13:45 |
| 18:46.01 | ShaneSveller | pentium166: it makes the most sense in terms of ordering, because any "dumb" software would put 10121986 ahead of 12011986, for example |
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| 18:46.05 | KriLL3 | 20:45 here |
| 18:46.11 | kolie | no 13:45 irc tells me so |
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| 18:46.18 | kolie | 13:46 KriLL3 • 20:45 here |
| 18:46.19 | kolie | see |
| 18:46.28 | KriLL3 | or quarter to twentyone |
| 18:46.55 | KriLL3 | kolie: your IRC got the wrong time! |
| 18:46.57 | pentium166 | I'm going to start telling time in 24 hour format to see how many people I can confuse |
| 18:47.05 | kolie | YOUR irc has the wrong time. |
| 18:47.09 | KriLL3 | pentium166: wouldn't confuse me :> |
| 18:47.13 | kolie | All hail wowace time. |
| 18:47.18 | kolie | It is the one time. |
| 18:47.22 | Gnarfoz | fuck you |
| 18:47.25 | Gnarfoz | UTC > curse |
| 18:47.40 | KriLL3 | timezones are evil |
| 18:47.46 | kolie | Curse time would be PST |
| 18:47.50 | KriLL3 | all should bow to UTC! |
| 18:47.50 | kolie | wowace time, would be CST |
| 18:47.50 | pentium166 | "What time is it?" "Nineteen fifty-five" |
| 18:47.59 | Gnarfoz | pentium166: so what? |
| 18:48.17 | pentium166 | What do you mean so what? |
| 18:48.28 | Dashkal | UTC is old news. UGT for all. |
| 18:48.29 | Gnarfoz | that's how you say it :() |
| 18:48.36 | kolie | Swatch time. |
| 18:48.40 | pentium166 | Nobody around here tells time with a 24 hour clock |
| 18:48.42 | KriLL3 | that's how people in the Nordic region, Germany etc speak |
| 18:48.57 | pentium166 | Ahahaha, swatch beats. I remember that from PSO |
| 18:49.07 | KriLL3 | we swedes call it "digital time" |
| 18:49.09 | kolie | Swatch beats is the shit. |
| 18:49.28 | ShaneSveller | for maximum confusion, begin stating times in percentage of one earth rotation. "What time is it?" "The current cycle is 86% complete." |
| 18:49.38 | Gnarfoz | ShaneSveller: awesome. |
| 18:49.41 | KriLL3 | lol |
| 18:49.50 | Gnarfoz | that's actually nobody uses |
| 18:49.53 | Gnarfoz | +something |
| 18:50.19 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: and measure the date by the earth's trip around the sun in %00.00 format |
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| 18:51.00 | Gnarfoz | pentium166: I bet you'd confuse people by just spelling out a.m. and p.m. |
| 18:51.02 | KriLL3 | %4.53 is my favorite time of the year |
| 18:51.14 | ShaneSveller | hahaha |
| 18:51.42 | ShaneSveller | mine is 78.08% |
| 18:51.48 | ShaneSveller | because it's my birfday |
| 18:51.53 | Gnarfoz | barfday. |
| 18:52.29 | ShaneSveller | but alas, the only milestones ahead of me are lower insurance and then "Getting old". |
| 18:53.06 | KriLL3 | bah, when you're old you don't need to work anymore, you get money for free! |
| 18:53.29 | KriLL3 | funny that you get a lot of free time only when you're too old to appreciate it |
| 18:53.53 | ShaneSveller | more like, to appreciate the things you could be doing with the time |
| 18:53.57 | thul | http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/390265829_NjvtR-X2.jpg <- portrait of the day |
| 18:54.24 | KriLL3 | someone has forgotten where his razor is |
| 18:54.32 | Gnarfoz | looks somewhat like me oO |
| 18:54.50 | Gnarfoz | except I'm blonde |
| 18:54.56 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: you got a neckbeard? |
| 18:55.09 | ShaneSveller | ha |
| 18:55.23 | Arrowmaster | are you implying that theres something wrong with neckbeards? |
| 18:55.32 | kolie | Define neck beard. |
| 18:55.33 | Gnarfoz | except that the part on top of his upper lip is more pronounced, our beards are basically identical, I'd say |
| 18:55.42 | KriLL3 | kolie: beard on your neck |
| 18:55.59 | kolie | Just the neck? |
| 18:56.02 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:56.04 | Gnarfoz | and yes, I have it to hide my slight double chin ;p |
| 18:56.06 | Arrowmaster | thats just silly |
| 18:56.08 | kolie | Where does the neck begin |
| 18:56.18 | ShaneSveller | down past the point where the jaw and neck form a crease |
| 18:56.22 | KriLL3 | kolie: only the neck or on the neck also, aka you don't shave bellow your chin |
| 18:56.27 | ShaneSveller | s/neck/throat |
| 18:56.38 | nevcairiel | only the neck would look so silly |
| 18:56.40 | Gnarfoz | yeah, neck is the wrong term, to be precise |
| 18:56.43 | KriLL3 | it's common among bums, and linux hardcores, aka bums |
| 18:56.51 | Gnarfoz | because you simply don't grow beards on your neck. :D |
| 18:56.52 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: the term is "neckbeard" |
| 18:56.53 | kolie | I have beard past chin. |
| 18:56.55 | ShaneSveller | hey man, opensource doesn't pay so well |
| 18:57.01 | Arrowmaster | i dont trim my beard, i just let it grow and shave it all off if its too hot |
| 18:57.11 | kolie | I just dont shave. ever. my face. |
| 18:57.13 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: that's too bad, but your neck is not an area where beards grow :> |
| 18:57.32 | kolie | Until one day when I do. |
| 18:57.37 | KriLL3 | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neckbeard |
| 18:57.38 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: maybe on his |
| 18:57.42 | nevcairiel | er |
| 18:57.46 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: maybe on his it does =P |
| 18:57.52 | Arrowmaster | no ive deffently got hair on my neck |
| 18:58.04 | Gnarfoz | an actual 'neckbeard' would be... like a scarf. :D |
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| 18:58.35 | KriLL3 | "Derogatory term for slovenly nerdy people who have no sense of hygene or grooming. Often related to hobbies such as card gaming, video gaming, anime, et. al. " |
| 18:58.39 | KriLL3 | also linux geeks |
| 18:59.01 | Gnarfoz | ;D actually, there's grooming involved. :P |
| 18:59.02 | ShaneSveller | hey, i'm slovenly!...i think. |
| 18:59.30 | KriLL3 | I shave my beard, keep a stashe though |
| 18:59.38 | Arrowmaster | *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman |
| 18:59.41 | Gnarfoz | stache, if at all :( |
| 18:59.42 | KriLL3 | makes me look sophisticated |
| 18:59.48 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: indeed |
| 19:00.03 | Gnarfoz | *that's* what happens with *no* grooming :p |
| 19:00.05 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: I like stroking my stache, makes me look evil |
| 19:00.16 | Gnarfoz | uhm for that, you'd need a goatee. |
| 19:00.34 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: naw, stache is a lot more perc than a goatee |
| 19:00.52 | Gnarfoz | doesn't look evil in the slightest. |
| 19:00.53 | kolie | goat for the win |
| 19:00.58 | Gnarfoz | you should watch more Star Trek. |
| 19:01.13 | fewyn | so |
| 19:01.21 | fewyn | CC gets my stamp of approval |
| 19:01.22 | fewyn | it works |
| 19:01.27 | kolie | w00000 |
| 19:01.30 | kolie | I GOT APPROVAL |
| 19:01.31 | Gnarfoz | it does? :( |
| 19:01.36 | Gnarfoz | gimme your copy! |
| 19:01.41 | fewyn | well it works as best as can be expected |
| 19:01.43 | kolie | I got acknowledged. |
| 19:01.43 | pentium166 | does it make toast though? |
| 19:01.48 | fewyn | not sure if i quite like the search function |
| 19:01.49 | kolie | Buttered toast. |
| 19:01.56 | pentium166 | ooh |
| 19:01.57 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r12 / (7 files in 6 directories): |
| 19:01.57 | Repo | - Fixed Portalz mouseover sizing when scale set to anything other than 100%. |
| 19:01.58 | Repo | - Fixed Rune of Portals count not showing as intended. |
| 19:02.00 | Repo | - Added 'Use Items' option to also show portal type items. Currently: Hearthstone or Ruby Slippers, Blessed Medalion of Karobor, Scroll of Recall(wotlk), and that SOO quest reward. |
| 19:02.06 | Repo | - Added 'Always Load Portalz' option. If you want to use Death Gate, Moonglade port, Hearthstone etc via this module, and you're not a Mage; this is what you turn on. |
| 19:02.07 | Gnarfoz | I have yet to get it to update anything :( |
| 19:02.19 | KriLL3 | I agree that goatee is evil looking: http://krill3.com/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_100308_210042.jpg |
| 19:02.28 | kolie | Actual toast may be cancerous. The butter has been shown to cause the plague in laboratory animals. |
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| 19:02.42 | kolie | But it tastes good. |
| 19:02.53 | KriLL3 | everything bad for you tastes good |
| 19:03.06 | KriLL3 | that's a universal rule |
| 19:03.10 | ShaneSveller | any suggestions for clearing and setting channels for a chatframe by lua? |
| 19:03.32 | ShaneSveller | I.e. I want to whitelist x, y, and z channels for CF1, and a, b, c for CF3, etc. |
| 19:03.43 | kolie | Gnarfoz: What do you mean you can't get it to update. |
| 19:04.00 | pentium166 | Isn't margarine worse for you than butter? |
| 19:04.06 | KriLL3 | it is |
| 19:04.06 | kolie | No thats lard. |
| 19:04.08 | pentium166 | It certainely doesn't taste better |
| 19:04.25 | KriLL3 | it has partially hydrogenated vegetable oils etc |
| 19:04.26 | kolie | For something to taste good, it must be bad for your. |
| 19:04.36 | pentium166 | For my? |
| 19:04.39 | kolie | The converse is not true, and there is no scale of badness. |
| 19:04.42 | kolie | your health. |
| 19:04.43 | kolie | :) |
| 19:04.49 | KriLL3 | your body doesn't have a clue how to handle that stuff, while animal fat it does know what to do with |
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| 19:05.07 | Gnarfoz | kolie: how does it actually figure out if I currently have something that is older than something available? |
| 19:05.29 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * 5843fd6 / (23 files in 4 directories): [new] |
| 19:05.35 | kolie | Release date of installed addon is recorded. Asks server, whats the latest date. |
| 19:05.50 | Gnarfoz | so only stuff it itself has installed/ |
| 19:05.51 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 19:05.59 | ShaneSveller | packager folks like ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/97901 |
| 19:06.09 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: thats how all updaters work basicly |
| 19:06.16 | kolie | If it "scanned" it and did not "reinstall new addons" then the date is assumed to be the date of picking it up, and only FUTURE updates will be installed. |
| 19:06.17 | ckknight | hrm, okay |
| 19:06.18 | ShaneSveller | kolie: does it then compare releases if there were several for a given date? |
| 19:06.26 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 19:06.32 | kolie | ShaneSveller: ? |
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| 19:06.40 | kolie | We compare versions down to the second. |
| 19:06.53 | Gnarfoz | can you compare against something you did not install, though? |
| 19:06.53 | ShaneSveller | kolie: ok, "Date" confused me |
| 19:06.55 | Gnarfoz | i.e. file date? |
| 19:07.07 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 19:07.12 | Arrowmaster | none of that can be trusted |
| 19:07.27 | ShaneSveller | kolie: I was worried that one release tagged at say, 0030 on the same date as another tagged at 1230 might somehow get installed instead |
| 19:07.38 | kolie | Gnarfoz: when scan addons runs without "reinstall new addons" it is assumed the on your currently have is the latest. |
| 19:07.48 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 19:07.55 | kolie | one/on |
| 19:07.55 | Gnarfoz | sorry, that sentence didn't make any sense :D |
| 19:07.57 | KriLL3 | file creation dates can get bugged if you change your machine's clock or if 2 people from different timezones contribute |
| 19:07.58 | ShaneSveller | ckknight: not sure how long it took to spit that back at me, I left for lunch while it was still churning |
| 19:08.03 | kolie | Im not making sense today its ok. |
| 19:08.11 | Gnarfoz | <3 kolie |
| 19:08.19 | kolie | ok imagine this theoretical day. |
| 19:08.25 | kolie | 1am, addon released. |
| 19:08.29 | kolie | 2am, myou manually install |
| 19:08.40 | kolie | 3am, you install CC and scan addons without reinstall new addons enabled |
| 19:08.48 | kolie | CC marks release date for that addon as 3am |
| 19:08.58 | kolie | 4am new version comes out |
| 19:09.05 | kolie | 4am > 3am, so it installs it. |
| 19:09.10 | kolie | Only FUTURE versions will get updated. |
| 19:09.14 | ShaneSveller | gotcha |
| 19:09.17 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r13 ZOMGBuffs_Portalz/ZOMGBuffs_Portalz.lua: |
| 19:09.18 | Repo | Fixed 2 silly bugs in portalz that weren't there 5 mins ago I swear it!, it was Tortoise... yup yup. or bit rot. |
| 19:09.33 | Arrowmaster | new version also released at 2:30am, not installed |
| 19:09.37 | kolie | If you "reinstall new addons" then the CC will go and download hopefully the 1am version and mark it as 1am. |
| 19:09.55 | kolie | imagine this though |
| 19:09.59 | KriLL3 | kolie: it's also likely to install really old versions if you've updated from another source than curse |
| 19:09.59 | kolie | Curse knows about a 1am release. |
| 19:10.00 | NeoTron | Zeksie: speaking of silly bugs, I tested again and the rune display in x-perl is completely not working at all |
| 19:10.06 | kolie | on 1:30 a release is made at wowace |
| 19:10.14 | NeoTron | Zeksie: I'd suggest reimplementing it now when the API presumably is stable |
| 19:10.15 | kolie | If you "reinstall new addons" |
| 19:10.23 | fewyn | So people who use dkp trackers or run guilds, do you use any specific addons to track dkp? |
| 19:10.25 | kolie | your "current" 1:30 version gets overwritten but the latest curse 1am version. |
| 19:10.34 | NeoTron | fewyn: I used MagicDKP, my own addon... |
| 19:10.35 | kolie | Thats why we have reinstall new addons, and why its disabled by defaul. |
| 19:10.57 | kolie | Arrowmaster: correct. |
| 19:10.58 | Gnarfoz | I actually thought that option was to toggle 'overwriting' of addons |
| 19:11.09 | fewyn | does it have an export to eqdkp style option NeoTron? |
| 19:11.09 | Gnarfoz | i.e. 'delete before install' |
| 19:11.18 | NeoTron | fewyn: yes |
| 19:11.35 | kolie | Im hesitant to delete ANYTHING i havent installed directly. |
| 19:11.36 | fewyn | And the deal-breaker, 3.0 compatible? |
| 19:11.48 | NeoTron | fewyn: I'd assume so, nothing has changed that should affect the addon |
| 19:11.50 | NeoTron | afaik |
| 19:12.07 | fewyn | Shall take a look at it |
| 19:12.07 | NeoTron | it has a client part to it too that is used to track standby DKP |
| 19:12.16 | NeoTron | if you need that sort of thing |
| 19:12.17 | fewyn | We're looking for a new dkp management tool for ingame |
| 19:12.53 | kolie | So Gnarfoz: your client appears to behaving perfectly. |
| 19:12.57 | NeoTron | it allows you to define event values |
| 19:13.07 | NeoTron | but it won't actually use those values |
| 19:13.15 | NeoTron | initially i meant for it to be able to track DKP in-game |
| 19:13.30 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07WotLK * 3ffe143 / (23 files in 4 directories): [new] |
| 19:13.33 | kolie | If you want an absolutely no hassle trouble free experience, IMO you must take the initial hassle of ctrl-a shift-del your addon directory. |
| 19:13.53 | winkiller | hates |
| 19:13.55 | Gnarfoz | kolie: yeah, probably. what's the sanest way to make it take over management of all my wowace addons? delete all of them, install them via CC? :| |
| 19:14.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, what you just said. :> |
| 19:14.23 | kolie | Thats what I do. |
| 19:14.30 | Gnarfoz | it's not that much hassle, I think, because the libs are integrated for now. |
| 19:14.37 | Gnarfoz | i.e. I don't have to worry about dependencies |
| 19:15.10 | kolie | That will be available shortly too. |
| 19:15.16 | kolie | Client code for dep is more or less in place. |
| 19:15.37 | ShaneSveller | kolie: as in, another test build in the next day or two may have it? |
| 19:15.49 | kolie | As in the client DOES have it, the server doesnt. |
| 19:15.57 | kolie | I've had dep tracking for.... 4 months now? |
| 19:15.58 | ShaneSveller | oh. |
| 19:16.33 | Gnarfoz | dependencies is not relevant - that's easy to solve even for non-power users. the addon just will not load if a dep is missing |
| 19:16.54 | winkiller | I'm missing useful status messages in the *hint* status bar |
| 19:17.03 | ShaneSveller | can anyone name a dictator or despot whose name begins with a, besides Adolph? |
| 19:17.04 | winkiller | not some obscure hash displayed all the time |
| 19:17.06 | NeoTron | fewyn: I guess one question is asking about the details of your dkp system too |
| 19:17.07 | Gnarfoz | however, fetching embedded libraries as stand-alone addons and removing the embedded libraries (thus: disembedding) is the hard part |
| 19:17.13 | kenlyric | amin |
| 19:17.17 | winkiller | ShaneSveller: adolph who? |
| 19:17.18 | kenlyric | is that how you spell it? |
| 19:17.26 | winkiller | I only onow swedish kings with that name |
| 19:17.30 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: Adolf |
| 19:17.32 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:17.33 | kolie | Its not a hash. |
| 19:17.36 | kolie | And its debug code. |
| 19:17.37 | fewyn | NeoTron: It's just a normal bid system |
| 19:17.37 | kolie | :) |
| 19:17.41 | fewyn | nothing fancy |
| 19:17.43 | Gnarfoz | duh |
| 19:17.51 | NeoTron | fewyn: how's dkp awarded? boss kills only? |
| 19:17.57 | kenlyric | idi amin |
| 19:17.58 | kolie | And the status of that message is, login successful ;) |
| 19:18.00 | fewyn | boss kills and time spent |
| 19:18.09 | NeoTron | ok. magicdkp does not have time tracking |
| 19:18.11 | fewyn | 1 dkp per hour and 2 dkp per kill |
| 19:18.14 | fewyn | that's fine |
| 19:18.15 | Gnarfoz | ShaneSveller: Adolf ~= Adolph, and starts with an A, too. Don't know of any dictator by the name of Adolph, btw ;p |
| 19:18.31 | NeoTron | but it does allow custom events so you could do a check every hour or so |
| 19:18.31 | ShaneSveller | ~fail ShaneSveller |
| 19:18.32 | purl | ShaneSveller, you Fail! |
| 19:18.33 | ShaneSveller | lol |
| 19:18.39 | fewyn | i use pen and paper currently |
| 19:18.45 | NeoTron | there's another addon.. hmm... wtf is it called |
| 19:18.47 | fewyn | i'm tired of it personally |
| 19:19.06 | fewyn | i saw morgdkp but it looks complicated |
| 19:19.08 | fewyn | and messy |
| 19:19.10 | NeoTron | http://www.wowace.com/projects/head-count/ |
| 19:19.11 | Gnarfoz | I don't know why you don't just use CT_RaidTracker (MLdkp version, because that's the most current one)? |
| 19:19.12 | NeoTron | that one |
| 19:19.21 | kolie | ali khameni? |
| 19:19.22 | ShaneSveller | I'm doing a small set of configure-by-lua addons to wreak havoc on your UI, named after dictators |
| 19:19.24 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: because it sucks horribly badly |
| 19:19.33 | kolie | The iran guy |
| 19:19.34 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it does work, perfectly :) |
| 19:19.36 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: it was consistently fucking shit up |
| 19:19.56 | NeoTron | I often got exports that didn't in any way shape or form relay the correct information of the night |
| 19:20.01 | kolie | alexander luka something |
| 19:20.05 | Gnarfoz | don't know what you've been using, I've been using it since I started playing wow and raiding, and it has never let me down so far :( |
| 19:20.13 | NeoTron | like boss kills where every single person in the raid was counted, regardless whether or not they were present |
| 19:20.20 | winkiller | ShaneSveller: http://www.dictatorofthemonth.com/English/Articles.htm |
| 19:20.25 | NeoTron | I've been using that one exactly |
| 19:20.26 | ShaneSveller | ahaha |
| 19:20.34 | NeoTron | ofc it stopped working entirely with the 2.4 release |
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| 19:20.38 | Gnarfoz | and we've had loads of weird things. CT_RT user being outside of the instance when the boss was killed, swapping people out and ending up with more than 40 participants, etc |
| 19:20.41 | NeoTron | and my own system was done before ctrt was fixed |
| 19:20.58 | winkiller | idi amin |
| 19:20.58 | kolie | ShaneSveller: go with the dictator of Belarus |
| 19:21.12 | winkiller | slow |
| 19:21.30 | NeoTron | simply put CTRT combined with the fucked up export format and the even more fucked up ctrt importer into eqdkp just caused more problems than I could say |
| 19:21.30 | ShaneSveller | kolie: I believe I read about him in my euro-history class |
| 19:21.37 | kolie | the only euro dictator! |
| 19:21.38 | NeoTron | MagicDKP on the other hand works perfectly now |
| 19:21.40 | kolie | hes awsome. |
| 19:21.43 | kolie | And everyone hates him. |
| 19:21.55 | fewyn | i need something that let's me track easily ingame |
| 19:21.59 | NeoTron | ofc now, going forward, I no longer will really NEED to track (10 man raiding, no DKP) but will use it to track loot and attendance anyway |
| 19:22.15 | NeoTron | I'd look at HeadCount if you want timed tracking |
| 19:22.38 | fewyn | NeoTron: i think yours will work fine |
| 19:22.45 | ShaneSveller | also read about what belgium did to african colonies back in the day |
| 19:22.56 | NeoTron | both were written as a response to CTRT |
| 19:23.14 | NeoTron | or rather CTRT stopping to work even remotely well in the 2.4 patch :P |
| 19:23.22 | fewyn | i tried ct_rt but it doesn't track dkp |
| 19:23.30 | fewyn | which was my problem |
| 19:23.52 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 19:23.56 | Gnarfoz | how *doesn't* it track dkp |
| 19:23.58 | Gnarfoz | that's what it's for :D |
| 19:24.13 | fewyn | not really |
| 19:24.17 | nevcairiel | actually, it tracks attendance |
| 19:24.19 | nevcairiel | and loot |
| 19:24.23 | Gnarfoz | it tracks DKP just as well. |
| 19:24.37 | fewyn | but not easily displayable from my experience |
| 19:24.40 | Gnarfoz | just enter item prices... |
| 19:24.44 | NeoTron | fewyn: MagicDKP actually doesn't track DKP either. I used eqDKP for that |
| 19:24.56 | NeoTron | fewyn: I never got to that point and never actually needed it |
| 19:25.06 | fewyn | well yea |
| 19:25.10 | Gnarfoz | uhm easily displayed in the tooltip of every item... you don't seem to have spent much time trying it out ;) |
| 19:25.28 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: CTRT still sucks |
| 19:25.29 | Gnarfoz | or do you want an ingame dkp list |
| 19:25.33 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: bite me :p |
| 19:25.46 | NeoTron | trying to suggest people using it now is like saying that tey should use KTM as their threat meter once LK comes out |
| 19:25.50 | fewyn | i want an ingame dkp list because people are noobs |
| 19:26.07 | Cheads | starlon: will StarTip be fixed for wotlk? |
| 19:26.12 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: - that's one thing it doesn't do. |
| 19:26.31 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: seriously, what's wrong with it? all features work as they're supposed to in 2.4.3 |
| 19:26.41 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: it fucking sucks is what's wrong with it |
| 19:26.57 | NeoTron | as I said it OFTEN reported the wrong stuff and I had to manually go lookin WWS to see who was present for a boss kill |
| 19:27.01 | Gnarfoz | well, that's certainly a detailed complaint :X |
| 19:27.32 | NeoTron | I couldn't trust that the data it recorded was actually accurate. I can't tell you what broke it but broke it was |
| 19:28.02 | NeoTron | it's very possible it's broke in combination with the absolutly braindead import tool (one of the worst pieces of code in the history of PHP) |
| 19:28.12 | kadrahil | i'm going to like not having to spam a SS macro |
| 19:28.13 | kadrahil | after 3.0 |
| 19:28.54 | NeoTron | kadrahil: you will, it just will have arcane shot/explosive shot/chimera shot instead of -Auto Shoot! |
| 19:29.03 | NeoTron | j/k but alas, I'm sure many hunters will macro that |
| 19:29.40 | ShaneSveller | history of php, eh? that's a lot of bad code to beat out, Neotron |
| 19:30.01 | kadrahil | NeoTron: lol |
| 19:30.20 | NeoTron | ShaneSveller: yep |
| 19:30.42 | NeoTron | ShaneSveller: but I think this one can be secure in its position |
| 19:31.15 | Elgren | Guys |
| 19:31.18 | Elgren | someone plz help |
| 19:31.25 | Silviu- | ping vhaarr |
| 19:31.29 | Elgren | How do I get externals for mods in the Curse Client |
| 19:31.37 | vhaarr | Silviu-: privmsg please, free in 3 hours |
| 19:31.45 | Silviu- | Done :) |
| 19:31.46 | Elgren | I cant stand all these missing library messages after I started using Curse client |
| 19:31.48 | sb | uhah |
| 19:31.49 | NeoTron | Elgren: they should be embedded with the addons in question |
| 19:32.07 | sb | shadow is more buttons than healer! :p |
| 19:32.14 | Elgren | I got adons from WAU befoure. now I changed to Curse Client. and updated my mods |
| 19:32.17 | Elgren | and suddenly |
| 19:32.22 | sb | had to spec shadow for brutallus :o |
| 19:32.23 | Elgren | I get all these missing library errors |
| 19:32.47 | Gnarfoz | 'all these' -> get an error grabber addon and pastey them, I guess. |
| 19:32.47 | ShaneSveller | nevcairiel said yesterday that you could dynamically set up AceConfig options using metatables, anyone know of a good addon to look at for an example, or any kind of wiki/blog/knowledgebase article on the topic? |
| 19:33.03 | NeoTron | Elgren: it's possible some addons have incorrect externals for sure |
| 19:33.08 | kadrahil | anyone know why they removed the feedback icon on beta? |
| 19:33.09 | NeoTron | I had to manually fix a few of mine |
| 19:33.14 | nevcairiel | never seen it used in action ShaneSveller =P |
| 19:33.18 | Elgren | I have alot |
| 19:33.18 | NeoTron | kadrahil: because feedback time is done? |
| 19:33.21 | nevcairiel | but its theoretically possible |
| 19:33.24 | ShaneSveller | I'm not remotely familiar with metatables and only had a cursory look at what metatables are on PIL |
| 19:33.27 | Elgren | when I target someone I get missing librarys for pitbull |
| 19:33.29 | kadrahil | NeoTron: oh |
| 19:33.30 | Elgren | and startip |
| 19:33.30 | kadrahil | NeoTron: :D |
| 19:33.43 | NeoTron | kadrahil: that's my guess at least. I think /bug is gone too |
| 19:33.45 | Elgren | I cant just download externals?? |
| 19:33.47 | NeoTron | basically it's a release build |
| 19:33.59 | NeoTron | Elgren: bug kolie |
| 19:34.01 | ShaneSveller | I just want to create series of toggles for a set of similar options |
| 19:34.07 | Elgren | man |
| 19:34.15 | Elgren | WAU was so much better then this crap curse client |
| 19:34.16 | NeoTron | kolie is the author of the client |
| 19:34.18 | kolie | Hmm? |
| 19:34.33 | kolie | Im getting shit on again! yay! |
| 19:34.34 | ShaneSveller | and would rather do something with a for loop or the like than write out x pairs of get/set functions |
| 19:34.35 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: they already mention changes for a build about one week after the patch that introduces achievements on live .. |
| 19:34.40 | Elgren | no offence kolie :D |
| 19:34.43 | Elgren | just bugging me all day |
| 19:34.48 | Elgren | I cant get externals for mods? |
| 19:34.49 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: so probably pretty much closed down |
| 19:34.52 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: right. |
| 19:34.52 | Gnarfoz | Elgren: you just lack understanding of how externals work. you're one of the people who should have *never* had have access to non-external versions of addons. |
| 19:35.00 | kolie | You can download any addon you need Elgren. |
| 19:35.12 | nevcairiel | people have been cryign that northrend was totally unstable with the latest patch again |
| 19:35.13 | nevcairiel | but huh |
| 19:35.15 | nevcairiel | who cares |
| 19:35.20 | nevcairiel | not like live-people will go there :D |
| 19:35.32 | Elgren | yea, I did uninstall my mods. and downloaded again from curse. removed all saved variables |
| 19:35.35 | kolie | The addons in the curse client have all the "externals" they need. |
| 19:35.41 | Elgren | and now alot of my mods are missing externals |
| 19:35.42 | kolie | Usually. |
| 19:35.48 | kolie | Unless the author packaged it "wrong" |
| 19:35.48 | Elgren | primaitly pitbull and startip |
| 19:35.49 | NeoTron | the use of phasing definitely explains to me why some zones have been causing crashes more than one would expect sanely possible |
| 19:35.52 | NeoTron | since it's all new tech |
| 19:35.55 | Elgren | and I cant figure out how to get them |
| 19:36.02 | kolie | ok well what do they need? |
| 19:36.09 | Elgren | alot of librarys |
| 19:36.11 | Elgren | for pitbull |
| 19:36.14 | Gnarfoz | I repeat |
| 19:36.16 | Gnarfoz | 'all these' -> get an error grabber addon and pastey them, I guess. |
| 19:36.47 | Elgren | just checking here if there is a way to get the externals through curse client |
| 19:36.48 | ShaneSveller | Elgren: any copy of Pitbull you get via the client should include externals unless you were clicking around looking specifically for the nolib packages |
| 19:36.50 | Elgren | because I cant find it |
| 19:36.53 | Fisker- | destroys Gnarfoz |
| 19:36.59 | Elgren | no |
| 19:37.07 | Elgren | I downloaded from the curse client |
| 19:37.16 | Gnarfoz | kolie: do no-lib versions even appear in CC? I didn't think so? |
| 19:37.18 | Elgren | and now tons of mods are missing externals |
| 19:37.30 | kolie | Gnarfoz: They might, im looking at startip now, it includes the libs it needs. |
| 19:37.35 | ShaneSveller | Gnarfoz: you can go into the website file listing and install one via the curse client link on that page |
| 19:37.45 | Gnarfoz | ShaneSveller: ah, gotcha |
| 19:37.50 | Elgren | kolie |
| 19:38.02 | Elgren | I didnt get mobhealth from the CC version of startip |
| 19:38.17 | kolie | Thats an optional one no? |
| 19:38.25 | Elgren | well |
| 19:38.27 | kolie | and I see libmobhealth right here. |
| 19:38.49 | kolie | yeop both ones have 4.0 |
| 19:38.50 | ShaneSveller | and the pitbull package is chock-full of lib goodness, nothing wrong there |
| 19:38.51 | Elgren | with startip I get error missing mobhealth when I have my mouse over something, but I got rid of it since I dont use the healthbar on the tooltip |
| 19:39.16 | Elgren | well I guess somethings wrong then. since it gives me missing error |
| 19:39.33 | kolie | Elgren: If startip didnt include it ( which it did ) its not the clients fault. |
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| 19:39.41 | Elgren | ok |
| 19:39.42 | Elgren | well |
| 19:39.45 | Elgren | easy fixed |
| 19:39.48 | Elgren | I just update right? |
| 19:40.00 | Elgren | update/reinstall |
| 19:40.02 | kolie | right click update |
| 19:40.04 | kolie | yea |
| 19:40.04 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07WotLK * 1.0.3021 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] merge with changes in kilroggs wotlk-branch |
| 19:40.05 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 041.0.3021 * 62efbf2 /: [new tag] merge with changes in kilroggs wotlk-branch |
| 19:40.14 | kolie | let me know what version name it gives you |
| 19:40.14 | Elgren | well. somehow that doesnt download new externals :D |
| 19:40.38 | Elgren | I dont think updating includes geting new externals |
| 19:40.46 | kolie | I download whatever the authors posts Elgren |
| 19:41.08 | Elgren | listen |
| 19:41.10 | Elgren | someone told me earlier |
| 19:41.15 | NeoTron | kolie: is tehre a working mac version yet? One I tried frankly didn't really work at all. never saw it give a list of addons or actually do anything |
| 19:41.17 | Elgren | if I had the mod from pre-curse client install |
| 19:41.21 | Elgren | and it scanned my mods |
| 19:41.37 | Elgren | and found mods already installed. this might happen |
| 19:41.41 | kolie | Elgren: What VERSION does it say in the bottom window for the installed addons. |
| 19:41.44 | sb | FFS i cant believe it |
| 19:41.51 | kolie | Elgren: if you scanned your addons, it doesnt touch them. |
| 19:41.58 | sb | do you know that firefly pet in zangamarsh? :/ |
| 19:42.01 | Elgren | version of WHAT? |
| 19:42.04 | kolie | Infact, the client did NOTHING except show you what you already have. |
| 19:42.05 | Elgren | CC? |
| 19:42.05 | kolie | Startip. |
| 19:42.07 | Elgren | startip? |
| 19:42.08 | Elgren | ok |
| 19:42.09 | sb | my GF just got there, killed 5 mobs, drop... |
| 19:42.13 | sb | *siiigg* |
| 19:42.19 | Elgren | 1.1.2b |
| 19:42.25 | NeoTron | luck ftw |
| 19:42.25 | Elgren | no reason to get offencive guys |
| 19:42.31 | kolie | by starlon |
| 19:42.32 | kolie | ? |
| 19:42.34 | Elgren | yes |
| 19:42.35 | Fasti | is the patch next week? |
| 19:42.40 | NeoTron | Fasti: likely |
| 19:42.48 | sb | NeoTron: yup :/ |
| 19:43.02 | Elgren | 08/16/2008 installed |
| 19:43.09 | Fasti | or is there some kind of conspiracy that china having always +1week, is going to push our patch by 1 more week? x-x |
| 19:43.14 | kolie | 1.1.2b confirmed as having libmobhealth in it. |
| 19:43.22 | Elgren | somehow not working |
| 19:43.31 | Elgren | also pitbull has problem |
| 19:43.34 | kolie | All I did was take a zip, and unzip it. |
| 19:43.53 | NeoTron | Elgren: did you check the addon directory to see if any libs are there? |
| 19:44.04 | Elgren | they are not |
| 19:44.11 | Elgren | and I aint geting them by updating in CC |
| 19:44.14 | kolie | so you wnt to startip\libs |
| 19:44.21 | kolie | And you didnt see libmobhealth |
| 19:44.22 | kolie | ? |
| 19:44.28 | Elgren | nop its not here |
| 19:44.37 | NeoTron | kolie: this is when a user viewable log would be handy for debugging ;-)\ |
| 19:44.38 | Gnarfoz | but a libs folder *is* there? |
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| 19:44.46 | NeoTron | at least which files were downloaded and such |
| 19:44.54 | kolie | nevcairiel: There is curseclient.log |
| 19:45.06 | kolie | i meant NeoTron |
| 19:45.11 | nevcairiel | kolie: l2nickcomplete |
| 19:45.17 | kolie | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 19:45.17 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets nevcairiel feel it |
| 19:45.20 | NeoTron | ~fail kolie |
| 19:45.21 | purl | You suck at everything in life, kolie. I hate you because you fail. |
| 19:45.26 | NeoTron | :) |
| 19:45.27 | kolie | ~emulate kolie |
| 19:45.28 | purl | No one loves me. |
| 19:45.31 | NeoTron | need a ~tabfail |
| 19:46.08 | kolie | Ok so Elgren: let me get this straight. What happens right now, if you right click -> Update startip? |
| 19:46.40 | Elgren | I get a scanner running at the bottom right |
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| 19:46.43 | Elgren | updating startip |
| 19:46.54 | Elgren | CC client |
| 19:47.11 | Elgren | and after that when I go into World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\StarTip\Libs |
| 19:47.13 | kolie | So now |
| 19:47.18 | Elgren | I cant see libmobhealth 4.0 |
| 19:47.19 | kolie | go to to startip libs |
| 19:47.28 | kolie | and when u go to the world of warcraft tab |
| 19:47.35 | kolie | and u click startip |
| 19:47.42 | Elgren | wait |
| 19:47.42 | kolie | The top view, has a cateogry and author |
| 19:47.45 | kolie | the bottom view |
| 19:47.57 | Elgren | yes |
| 19:48.00 | Elgren | startip |
| 19:48.01 | Elgren | starlon |
| 19:48.01 | kolie | says version: 1.1.2b |
| 19:48.04 | Elgren | todays date |
| 19:48.07 | Elgren | yes |
| 19:48.16 | kolie | todays date? |
| 19:48.26 | Elgren | yes |
| 19:48.30 | Elgren | on latest |
| 19:48.31 | Elgren | and installed |
| 19:48.47 | Elgren | oh no |
| 19:48.49 | Elgren | it says |
| 19:48.49 | Elgren | 08/16/2008 |
| 19:49.18 | kolie | And you JUST right clicked updated it? |
| 19:49.26 | Elgren | yes |
| 19:49.29 | Elgren | update/reinstall |
| 19:49.40 | kolie | and no /startip/libs/libmobhealth-4.0 hmm. |
| 19:50.06 | kolie | Elgren: You officially have a problem. |
| 19:50.18 | kolie | I would love a copy of your curseclient.log |
| 19:50.34 | Elgren | wait |
| 19:50.47 | Elgren | I have another error now in wow regarding startip |
| 19:51.21 | nevcairiel | kolie: there is no libmobhealth in there because the packaging is broken for it :p |
| 19:51.42 | kolie | Except I just downloaded the .zip for 1.1.2b from the media server and it IS htere. |
| 19:51.44 | Repo | 10star-tip: 03Nevcairiel * r113 .pkgmeta: Fix .pkgmeta |
| 19:51.54 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 19:51.54 | Elgren | yes |
| 19:51.58 | Elgren | I have the lib |
| 19:52.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel > you ;D |
| 19:52.07 | kolie | I thought you didnt. |
| 19:52.08 | Elgren | just missed it or didnt update the lib folder |
| 19:52.09 | Elgren | had it open |
| 19:52.11 | Elgren | but |
| 19:52.12 | Elgren | however |
| 19:52.14 | Elgren | now I have |
| 19:52.14 | Elgren | StarTip\Libs\LibMobHealth-4.0.lua:48: attempt to index local 'frame' (a nil value) |
| 19:52.16 | Elgren | :/ |
| 19:52.26 | kolie | nevcairiel: your turn ;) |
| 19:53.10 | nevcairiel | sounds like a weird update path issue |
| 19:53.17 | nevcairiel | dont ask me, its ckks lib |
| 19:53.24 | nevcairiel | also, its totally nil and void come 3.0 |
| 19:53.59 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:54.04 | nevcairiel | i think i know |
| 19:54.11 | thul | did i mention that i HATE druids? |
| 19:54.15 | Elgren | hey |
| 19:54.18 | Elgren | nevcairiel |
| 19:54.24 | Elgren | is libdogtag 3.0 your lib? |
| 19:54.25 | Elgren | or ckk? |
| 19:54.31 | nevcairiel | not mine |
| 19:54.43 | Gnarfoz | ckk's. |
| 19:54.48 | starlon | Is Startip giving people problems? |
| 19:54.59 | Elgren | StarTip\Libs\LibMobHealth-4.0.lua:48: attempt to index local 'frame' (a nil value) |
| 19:54.59 | Elgren | :( |
| 19:56.16 | ShaneSveller | if i have a list of {something, somethingelse,...} is there really no better way to iterate over each than with for in pairs() or ipairs()? |
| 19:56.28 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:56.32 | nevcairiel | well |
| 19:56.34 | nevcairiel | a for loop |
| 19:56.53 | Elgren | hey |
| 19:56.56 | ShaneSveller | wish i could just do for item in list do blah end |
| 19:56.57 | Elgren | I have a larger problem |
| 19:57.00 | Elgren | its with pitbull |
| 19:57.04 | kolie | Ok. |
| 19:57.06 | Elgren | error message whenever I target someone |
| 19:57.11 | Elgren | pitbull error |
| 19:57.18 | nevcairiel | ShaneSveller: for _, item in pairs(list) do ? just 2 extra words =P |
| 19:57.20 | kolie | I only see one pitbull on curse. |
| 19:57.28 | Elgren | what's a easy big graber I can use? |
| 19:57.32 | Elgren | so I can report the problem |
| 19:57.34 | ShaneSveller | yeah, that's how i've been doing |
| 19:57.36 | Elgren | bug* |
| 19:57.39 | ShaneSveller | nevcairiel: thanks |
| 19:57.40 | kolie | bugsack |
| 19:57.45 | kolie | I love that word. |
| 19:58.06 | kolie | Its on the CC find an addon ;) |
| 19:58.17 | nevcairiel | of course it is |
| 19:58.30 | Stanzilla | i bet the pitbull problem is because of modules inside and outside the folder |
| 19:58.32 | kolie | wow its a big addon. |
| 19:58.51 | Elgren | kolie |
| 19:58.53 | fewyn | really you'd think having a buisiness connection at the shop i'd upload faster than 20kb/s |
| 19:58.57 | Elgren | where my errorfiles? |
| 19:59.06 | kolie | Errorfiles for what |
| 19:59.28 | Elgren | oh |
| 19:59.33 | ShaneSveller | Elgren go to start-> run and type "%APPDATA%" without the quotes |
| 19:59.33 | Elgren | I just downloaded BugSack from CC |
| 19:59.35 | Elgren | but hey |
| 19:59.38 | Elgren | here we go again |
| 19:59.41 | Elgren | dependency missing |
| 19:59.44 | Elgren | !BugGrabber |
| 20:00.27 | kolie | I dont see bugsack being packaged with buggrabber |
| 20:00.45 | Elgren | no |
| 20:00.50 | Elgren | but u cant run BugSack |
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| 20:00.54 | Elgren | without buggrabber |
| 20:01.24 | kolie | vhaarr |
| 20:01.25 | nevcairiel | its a required dep in the .toc, wonder if CC should pick that up and install it |
| 20:01.52 | ShaneSveller | does anyone have AddonLoader on 3.0 working ok? |
| 20:02.04 | kolie | psyn://addonservice.curse.com/AddOnService.asmx/GetAddOn?pAddOnId=13344 |
| 20:02.12 | kolie | those dont work in irc. |
| 20:02.15 | ShaneSveller | I had a slight error with a renamed API func that i didn't track down the one time i tried |
| 20:02.17 | kolie | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/bug-grabber.aspx |
| 20:02.34 | Elgren | alright anyway |
| 20:02.41 | Elgren | had a lot of fatalitys |
| 20:02.46 | Elgren | where I find the error logs? |
| 20:02.58 | nevcairiel | you click the small sack |
| 20:03.17 | nevcairiel | which is probably red if you had errors |
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| 20:04.59 | vhaarr | kolie: pardon? I'm busy, could you please privmsg me, I'll reply later |
| 20:05.05 | kolie | Problem solved. |
| 20:05.06 | kolie | :) |
| 20:05.59 | Repo | 10bugsack: 03Nevcairiel * r156 BugSack.toc: BugSack: Fix small glitch in the .toc |
| 20:07.02 | ShaneSveller | If I want to use SVs without AceDB for a tiny addon, I just access the global named in the TOC and store what I like in it, right? |
| 20:07.36 | nevcairiel | you need something like MyGlobalSV = MyGlobalSV or {} after ADDON_ENABLE |
| 20:08.02 | nevcairiel | (or during, just not before) |
| 20:08.11 | nevcairiel | er |
| 20:08.14 | ShaneSveller | so I'd also have to register for the ADDON_ENABLE event and respond to it in that way? |
| 20:08.16 | *** join/#wowace Hesselgren (n=elgren@90-227-53-153-no88.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 20:08.16 | nevcairiel | ADDON_LOADED is the event |
| 20:08.19 | Hesselgren | alright |
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| 20:08.20 | nevcairiel | i'm tired :( |
| 20:08.25 | Hesselgren | pitbull is totally screwed up aswell |
| 20:08.40 | Hesselgren | 5 pitbull errors |
| 20:08.47 | Hesselgren | after ive been logged in 10 seconds |
| 20:08.59 | Hesselgren | and I only have the player frame and the target frame active |
| 20:09.13 | Hesselgren | I was just building a new compilation but I run into all these junk |
| 20:09.20 | Groktar | sticks his tongue in nevcairiel's ear |
| 20:09.25 | Groktar | why don't we go to bed honey |
| 20:09.37 | nevcairiel | You couldn't afford it |
| 20:09.44 | Hesselgren | [2008/10/09 22:06:40-2-x1]: LibDogTag-3.0.146: Error with code "[Status or FractionalHP(known=true) or PercentHP:Percent]" (Base;Unit). ...itBull\libs\LibDogTag-Unit-3.0\Categories\Health.lua:49: attempt to call method 'GetUnitMaxHP' (a nil value): |
| 20:09.44 | Hesselgren | <string>:"local _G = _G;...":246: in function <[string "local _G = _G;..."]:18> |
| 20:09.44 | Hesselgren | (tail call): ?: |
| 20:09.44 | Hesselgren | <in C code>: in function `xpcall' |
| 20:09.45 | Hesselgren | LibDogTag-3.0\LibDogTag-3.0.lua:301: in function <...\AddOns\PitBull\libs\LibDogTag-3.0\LibDogTag-3.0.lua:289> |
| 20:09.47 | Hesselgren | LibDogTag-3.0\LibDogTag-3.0.lua:408: in function `AddFontString' |
| 20:09.48 | EvilJohn | hoey? |
| 20:09.49 | Hesselgren | PitBull-r1732\PitBull_MetaLayout.lua:2223: in function `v' |
| 20:09.51 | EvilJohn | honey? |
| 20:09.51 | Hesselgren | PitBull-r1732\PitBull.lua:4686: in function `_UpdateLayout' |
| 20:09.53 | Hesselgren | PitBull-r1732\PitBull.lua:4979: in function `_PopulateUnitFrame' |
| 20:09.55 | Hesselgren | PitBull-r1732\PitBull.lua:5080: in function `object_method' |
| 20:09.56 | profalbert | http://ace.pastey.net |
| 20:09.57 | Hesselgren | LibRockTimer-1.0-1118 (FuBar):289: in function <...Ons\FuBar\libs\LibRockTimer-1.0\LibRockTimer-1.0.lua:227> |
| 20:09.59 | Groktar | horry shit |
| 20:09.59 | Hesselgren | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.01 | Hesselgren | look at that |
| 20:10.02 | kolie | O |
| 20:10.03 | kolie | my |
| 20:10.03 | Hesselgren | what could be wrong? |
| 20:10.04 | kolie | god |
| 20:10.08 | Groktar | spits on Hesselgren |
| 20:10.09 | nevcairiel | Hesselgren: dont paste stuff in here. |
| 20:10.11 | kolie | Never ever paste here. |
| 20:10.14 | Hesselgren | sorry for that |
| 20:10.15 | kolie | rafb.net/paste |
| 20:10.17 | kolie | Go there. |
| 20:10.21 | *** join/#wowace Vilkkuu (n=Vilkku@88.195.34.143) |
| 20:10.28 | nevcairiel | also ask ckknight why his addon is broken :P |
| 20:10.30 | Hesselgren | im very sorry guys |
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| 20:10.40 | Groktar | hates Hesselgren for ever and ever |
| 20:10.52 | Hesselgren | crying |
| 20:11.03 | Hesselgren | beg for forgivness |
| 20:11.31 | Hesselgren | I love [SW]Dodge |
| 20:11.34 | Hesselgren | he make the best mods! |
| 20:11.36 | Hesselgren | weeeeeeeee! |
| 20:11.49 | [SW]Dodge | ./shy |
| 20:12.21 | Hesselgren | http://ace.pastey.net/97908 |
| 20:12.25 | Hesselgren | there we go guys |
| 20:12.33 | Hesselgren | pitbull is totally unuseable at the moment. |
| 20:12.40 | Hesselgren | arg. |
| 20:12.48 | Gnarfoz | on live? |
| 20:12.50 | nevcairiel | Hesselgren: that errors is related to your broken LibMobHealth |
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| 20:13.07 | Hesselgren | its libdogtag? |
| 20:13.18 | Gnarfoz | I use it fine, but I'm not using CC, yet, either. (i.e. I'm at whatever the latest version was when files.wowace.com died.) |
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| 20:13.34 | Hesselgren | hehe |
| 20:13.38 | Hesselgren | I miss the old WAU days |
| 20:13.43 | Hesselgren | wish I never downloaded CC |
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| 20:14.00 | Hesselgren | now all my mods are broken |
| 20:14.21 | Hesselgren | Gnarfoz |
| 20:14.28 | Gnarfoz | which... isn't CC's fault, basically |
| 20:14.32 | Hesselgren | you send me your old pitbull version? |
| 20:14.51 | Gnarfoz | also, I'd rather have a not-yet-as-good CC than no WAU and nothing to take its place. ;) |
| 20:14.51 | profalbert | http://files.wowace.com/Pitbull/Pitbull.zip |
| 20:15.01 | Gnarfoz | capital Bs. |
| 20:15.02 | Hesselgren | thats probably the new screwed up shit |
| 20:15.03 | Groktar | curse.com is cleaning out all the mods that haven't been updated to 3.0 by the time wotlk comes out, ya? |
| 20:15.19 | Gnarfoz | Groktar: sadly, no :( |
| 20:15.22 | Groktar | :/ |
| 20:15.32 | nevcairiel | From the error that i'm seeing, i assume you have a really ancient version of LibMobHealth in some file, but i really cant be sure |
| 20:15.48 | Hesselgren | so |
| 20:15.53 | Hesselgren | I need new library? |
| 20:16.10 | nevcairiel | someone needs to fix all the addons trying to use MobHealth for 3.0 to not use it anymore |
| 20:16.12 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 20:16.16 | NeoTron | in 3.0... we'll finally not need to use that |
| 20:16.33 | Groktar | happydance |
| 20:16.46 | NeoTron | ckknight: feature request: Add a log (for authors at least) on errors related to packaging of ones addons |
| 20:16.59 | ckknight | feature requests don't go here |
| 20:17.04 | NeoTron | ckknight: so I can see if MY externals are incorrect at a glance instead of trying to check the packager log |
| 20:17.05 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: moderators get that already =P |
| 20:17.16 | Hesselgren | so how can I use pitbull now? any suggestions nevcairiel? |
| 20:17.28 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: just try to touch the .pkgmeta and it'll tell you |
| 20:17.29 | Hesselgren | its totally broken here, cant login to wow with the latest version on CC |
| 20:17.41 | nevcairiel | I doubt that its blocking your login |
| 20:17.48 | Hesselgren | sure I can |
| 20:17.52 | Hesselgren | but I get spammed with errors |
| 20:18.16 | Hesselgren | when I disable pitbull |
| 20:18.21 | Hesselgren | I only have that startip error |
| 20:18.43 | nevcairiel | which is the same error |
| 20:18.52 | nevcairiel | repo died again :( |
| 20:19.13 | Hesselgren | so pitbull cant be used at the moment? |
| 20:19.23 | nevcairiel | sure it can |
| 20:19.27 | Hesselgren | it spamms out errors |
| 20:19.29 | nevcairiel | obviously just not by you |
| 20:19.33 | Hesselgren | where I get my old version back damit |
| 20:19.34 | pentium166 | i'm using one from a few days ago with no problems |
| 20:19.44 | Hesselgren | ye |
| 20:19.48 | Hesselgren | mine worked fine until today |
| 20:19.51 | pentium166 | go to curse.com and download an older version? |
| 20:19.54 | Groktar | Hesselgren: disable everything EXCEPT pitbull |
| 20:19.56 | Hesselgren | when I ran a update with CC |
| 20:20.01 | nevcairiel | You broke something in your UI |
| 20:20.04 | nevcairiel | its not our fault =P |
| 20:20.28 | nevcairiel | or its ckknight's fault, because the script that was supposed to infalte library version numbers never ran :( |
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| 20:20.54 | Groktar | thinks ckknight is out to get Hesselgren |
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| 20:21.28 | Groktar | assigns blame to Corgan, too |
| 20:21.40 | Corgan | hi |
| 20:21.41 | Corgan | :D |
| 20:21.41 | Groktar | ok, that's it |
| 20:21.43 | Hesselgren | ok nevcairiel |
| 20:21.47 | Groktar | this vista has to go |
| 20:21.50 | Hesselgren | cleaning out saved variables will fix it? |
| 20:21.55 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:22.10 | Hesselgren | I guess the only way I broke something was by installing CC then |
| 20:22.11 | Groktar | Hesselgren: why don't you just disable everything EXCEPT pitbull |
| 20:22.19 | Hesselgren | I did that Groktar |
| 20:22.22 | Hesselgren | and it works fine |
| 20:22.24 | Groktar | and it's still broken? |
| 20:22.30 | Groktar | ok |
| 20:22.49 | Groktar | are any of the addons out of date? |
| 20:23.09 | Groktar | those are your likely culprits |
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| 20:24.47 | Hesselgren | right |
| 20:24.56 | Hesselgren | without startip I dont have any pitbull problems |
| 20:25.07 | Hesselgren | startip is the source of it all, some broken library shit |
| 20:25.15 | Groktar | there ya go then |
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| 20:25.30 | Hesselgren | ima delete libmobhealth 4.0 |
| 20:25.34 | Hesselgren | and let CC update |
| 20:25.41 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: funny, you fixed startip .pkgmeta.. I just fixed its svn:externals |
| 20:25.43 | Hesselgren | something is wrong in there |
| 20:25.59 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: i never fix svn:externals anymore |
| 20:27.13 | NeoTron | I believe in keeping them consistent :P |
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| 20:27.31 | starlon | Don't worry about wowace's startip. I'm going to delete that. |
| 20:27.32 | NeoTron | if they are there, they should be correct or removed. I was going to fix .pkgmeta too but you alraedy did |
| 20:27.46 | NeoTron | starlon: ah well it was broke and now it's not :P |
| 20:28.00 | starlon | Well, CC's version just got updated. |
| 20:28.00 | Hesselgren | ok |
| 20:28.08 | starlon | CF's |
| 20:28.09 | Hesselgren | removed startip, and saved variables for it |
| 20:28.09 | starlon | rather |
| 20:28.18 | Hesselgren | lets see if it screws up when I dl it from CC again |
| 20:28.31 | Groktar | installs startip for shits and giggles |
| 20:28.42 | NeoTron | I must admit I really like the auto-syndication to curse.com |
| 20:28.49 | starlon | I was waiting for 3.0 to do all this. |
| 20:28.53 | NeoTron | although is there a way to prevent it from happening/ |
| 20:29.18 | Groktar | the toc from libmobhealth in startip says 20400 |
| 20:29.20 | NeoTron | like for example, syndicating MagicComm or LibLogger is simply not very meaningful |
| 20:29.25 | Groktar | so i dunno what happened to Hesselgren |
| 20:29.31 | Hesselgren | starlon |
| 20:29.36 | Hesselgren | im just tired and angry |
| 20:29.38 | Hesselgren | I love ur adon |
| 20:30.28 | Matrix110 | NeoTron if you let them stay in Alpha they wont go to curse.com |
| 20:30.53 | starlon | No probs |
| 20:30.54 | Hesselgren | NOOOOOOOO |
| 20:30.56 | NeoTron | Matrix110: unfortunately all prior wowace packages were beta |
| 20:30.59 | Hesselgren | I installed startip again |
| 20:31.04 | Hesselgren | and now im spammed again!! |
| 20:31.06 | NeoTron | and there's no batch removal feature : |
| 20:31.17 | Matrix110 | oh NeoTron then delete alle prior releases |
| 20:31.18 | Matrix110 | :D |
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| 20:31.34 | Matrix110 | pull it from Curse |
| 20:31.34 | Fisker- | finds NeoTron |
| 20:31.37 | *** join/#wowace Repo (n=supybot@69.57.184.216) |
| 20:31.38 | NeoTron | for liblogger it's pretty easy |
| 20:31.47 | NeoTron | only 6 files |
| 20:32.07 | NeoTron | MagicComm has two pages of files though :( |
| 20:32.12 | Matrix110 | or you can just bug Kaelten until he does it |
| 20:32.12 | Hesselgren | starlon |
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| 20:32.18 | Hesselgren | your adon have a big problem |
| 20:32.24 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Stanzilla * r1743 / (2 files in 1 directory): PitBull |
| 20:32.24 | Repo | - clean up toc and add no-lib-strip |
| 20:32.25 | starlon | I know |
| 20:32.32 | Hesselgren | when its solved I will happily be a startip fan again :D |
| 20:32.33 | starlon | v1.1.5b right? |
| 20:32.35 | NeoTron | Adon used to be a guy in EPL |
| 20:32.45 | fewyn | NeoTron: I really like MagicDKP been poking and prodding it and it looks perfect |
| 20:33.10 | NeoTron | fewyn: cool. :) feature requests are welcome. I know it needs the "people" tab |
| 20:33.12 | fewyn | a lot easier on the eyes than ctrt |
| 20:33.27 | NeoTron | fewyn: as a fyi if you want to track alts vs mains, it will look for: "Alt: name" in the officer or player notes |
| 20:33.38 | NeoTron | and automatically make the person with the not an alt of the player |
| 20:33.45 | fewyn | i even managed to get it to export to my eqdkp tracker i setup |
| 20:33.47 | fewyn | http://warcraft.fewyn.net/eqdkp/viewraid.php?r=1 |
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| 20:33.54 | NeoTron | cool :) |
| 20:34.22 | NeoTron | as a note I seem to have issues with eqdkp/ctrt/export crap if I use ' in names (like M'uru). your mileage might vary |
| 20:34.25 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: Aldof? |
| 20:34.29 | Shadowed | Adolf even |
| 20:34.37 | fewyn | I'lll just rename Anub in naxx =p |
| 20:34.41 | fewyn | and najentus |
| 20:34.45 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: sry, that was a mis-tab ;) |
| 20:34.47 | Shadowed | aha |
| 20:34.52 | fewyn | and i'm not going to sunwell so no m'uru for me :( |
| 20:35.17 | Matrix110 | EQDKP generally has problems with `´´^° etc. |
| 20:35.27 | Matrix110 | we use EQDKP Plus it just strips that crap |
| 20:35.39 | fewyn | that's what i'm using |
| 20:35.41 | Matrix110 | é -> e è -> e etc. |
| 20:35.53 | Matrix110 | I had sometimes problems with this crap before |
| 20:36.00 | Gnarfoz | which is a stupid band-aid, but meh |
| 20:36.02 | fewyn | Convert Names: |
| 20:36.03 | fewyn | Check to convert names (e.g. "Âvâtâr" to "Avatar".) |
| 20:36.04 | Matrix110 | DKP pool resets when member got added with é and e |
| 20:36.20 | NeoTron | fewyn: Kael'thas :P |
| 20:36.38 | fewyn | Furthest I've ever gotten is to the end of the weapon phase |
| 20:36.47 | fewyn | that's still one of the hardest fights in the game imho |
| 20:36.51 | fewyn | even with all the nerfs to it |
| 20:37.01 | NeoTron | it's complex |
| 20:37.02 | Matrix110 | not really |
| 20:37.14 | fewyn | kinda |
| 20:37.22 | NeoTron | It has no equivalent until illidan, if that. SWP is worse overall, especially latter fights |
| 20:37.23 | fewyn | you gotta know what to do |
| 20:37.27 | fewyn | and everyone has to know it |
| 20:37.28 | Matrix110 | It was hard without nerfs(the version that was possible killing) |
| 20:37.36 | Matrix110 | but with the nerfs it got super easy compared to before |
| 20:37.42 | NeoTron | but it was still hard |
| 20:37.43 | Matrix110 | especially if you consider the welfare epics available |
| 20:37.47 | NeoTron | the nerfs were just a health thing |
| 20:37.57 | fewyn | still hard all things considered |
| 20:38.07 | Matrix110 | Phase 2/34 i think being about DPS thats a big nerf :P |
| 20:38.17 | NeoTron | Matrix110: must remember to gauge it at the gear level it's meant to be done |
| 20:38.21 | vithos | didn't the health only change for p1? |
| 20:38.27 | vithos | or did they nerf it twice, i don't remember |
| 20:38.32 | NeoTron | they nerfed p2/p3 too |
| 20:38.33 | Matrix110 | But Kael'thas is harder than ANY fight in BT atleast |
| 20:38.47 | Matrix110 | But I like these encounters |
| 20:38.47 | NeoTron | like 20% less health on wpns and advisors in phase 2/3 |
| 20:38.54 | vithos | i remember our second kill... was with the warlock still up |
| 20:38.59 | Matrix110 | C'thun/Kael'thas <3 |
| 20:39.01 | NeoTron | I look forward to encounters like this in LK with a group of 9 friends |
| 20:39.04 | NeoTron | that aren't fucking moron |
| 20:39.15 | NeoTron | we killed kael'thas like 3-4 times total |
| 20:39.28 | NeoTron | but we had retards that kept dying in phase 1 |
| 20:39.33 | Matrix110 | we killed him 5-6times I think |
| 20:39.34 | NeoTron | phase 1! I mean.. seriously |
| 20:39.45 | Matrix110 | then all were attuned |
| 20:39.48 | Matrix110 | and it was BT time :D |
| 20:39.55 | starlon | kiting's hard |
| 20:40.02 | NeoTron | easier mobs, better loot - yep |
| 20:40.07 | NeoTron | easier trash and bosses even |
| 20:40.14 | NeoTron | the pre-kael'thas thrash is insane |
| 20:40.44 | Matrix110 | they nerfed the mages so hard |
| 20:40.50 | Matrix110 | before they oneshotted everything :D |
| 20:41.08 | Matrix110 | 20k frost attack crap |
| 20:41.08 | Matrix110 | :D |
| 20:42.15 | Groktar | we kited them\ |
| 20:42.34 | Groktar | i just spammed hamstring on them instead of tanking |
| 20:43.25 | NeoTron | the thing that always kills melee was fun too |
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| 20:43.32 | Groktar | hehe |
| 20:43.37 | NeoTron | and we dealt with mages by spamming sheep/fear on them |
| 20:43.46 | NeoTron | only trash where my dps was basically non-existant (warlock) |
| 20:44.06 | Groktar | don't you mean you dealth with the spinning ones with sheep/fear? |
| 20:44.13 | NeoTron | all of them |
| 20:44.23 | NeoTron | just to remove random acts of dying |
| 20:44.33 | NeoTron | while killing pretty much any of those mobs we cc'd them constantly |
| 20:44.48 | fewyn | NeoTron: You know what MagicDKP really needs? Some kind of fubar menu |
| 20:45.28 | NeoTron | http://www.wowace.com/projects/magic-dkp/create-ticket/ ;-) |
| 20:45.40 | NeoTron | likely though I wouldn't create fubar anything, just a LDB provider |
| 20:45.46 | NeoTron | I'm beyond fubar |
| 20:46.15 | fewyn | that would work too |
| 20:46.30 | fewyn | i tried ldb but it just doesn't have enough plugins yet |
| 20:46.49 | NeoTron | take a look at FuBar2Broker |
| 20:47.29 | Repo | 10adolf: 03ssveller 07master * f8bdedc / (2 files in 1 directory): [new] |
| 20:47.35 | fewyn | yea most of the options menus don't work when i tried to do that |
| 20:47.58 | NeoTron | which displayer did you use? |
| 20:48.09 | NeoTron | menus seems to work for me (using Button Bin) |
| 20:48.43 | fewyn | i was using fortress |
| 20:49.39 | NeoTron | can't speak for how well it works unfortunately |
| 20:49.52 | fewyn | i might go try one of the other displays |
| 20:50.05 | Hesselgren | Guys |
| 20:50.16 | Hesselgren | might someone assist me with a simple dogtag task..? |
| 20:50.17 | fewyn | votes for a LDB plugin section on wowace |
| 20:50.26 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.14b-1-gb087f4f / (12 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] redid the combat macro it now works like the other macros |
| 20:50.28 | Repo | 10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r88 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed svn:externals and .pkgmeta |
| 20:50.44 | Hesselgren | I need to write out a simple text for my pitbull frames, I need a text to display the units target |
| 20:51.27 | Hesselgren | whats the dogtag synthax? |
| 20:51.35 | Repo | 10magic-dkp_client: 03dhedbor * r33 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed svn:externals and .pkgmeta |
| 20:51.36 | |Yssaril| | sweet wowace checks when you try to push bad lua files (sytax errors) |
| 20:51.56 | NeoTron | oh finally got that in there? that's good |
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| 20:52.33 | NeoTron | so did all the libs change naems after the initial migration? i.e lib-logger-1-0 to liblogger-1-0 etc? |
| 20:52.45 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:52.55 | nevcairiel | so its consistent |
| 20:53.14 | |Yssaril| | NeoTron: yea i just tried to push something and got pissed at why it wasnt working till i read the error message :) |
| 20:53.18 | nevcairiel | easier to regex too, all lower, convert dot to dash |
| 20:54.31 | |Yssaril| | nevcairiel: would you mind copying http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 to a new ace3 page? would help new people find it |
| 20:54.50 | |Yssaril| | would do it myself but the ace3 pages are locked down |
| 20:55.02 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: main issue is that .pkgmeta etc were not updated to account for the change :P |
| 20:55.14 | CIA-59 | blipstick: 03Tekkub 07master * rfaff283 10/ changelog.txt : Update changelog for 3.0.2.7-Release - http://is.gd/3N3R |
| 20:55.23 | CIA-59 | blipstick: 03Tekkub 07master * r12c111c 10/ (Blipstick.toc README.textile): Weekly build 3.0.2.7-Release - http://is.gd/3N3U |
| 20:55.32 | CIA-59 | blipstick: 03Tekkub 07master * ra232cdc 10/ : Merge commit '3.0.2.7-Release' - http://is.gd/3N3V |
| 20:55.33 | nevcairiel | hm wonder if i should turn repo off for what i'm about to do.. |
| 20:55.40 | |Yssaril| | NeoTron: i dont think it would have mattered either way my pkgmeta was screwed up enough :) |
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| 20:57.55 | NeoTron | |Yssaril|: maybe so but still considering the widespread use of libs, it broke every single one of them :P |
| 20:58.03 | Hesselgren | hum |
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| 20:58.23 | Hesselgren | anyone know how to show a units target with dogtag? |
| 20:58.35 | genetik- | did you try the in-game help? |
| 20:58.39 | genetik- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.42 | Hesselgren | [Target(unit="Player")] doesnt seem to work |
| 20:59.06 | Hesselgren | ye I did |
| 20:59.38 | Hesselgren | I remember having trouble with thisone befoure |
| 21:00.10 | Hesselgren | genetik- do you know? |
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| 21:05.19 | Hesselgren | Someone plz |
| 21:05.28 | CIA-59 | cork: 03Tekkub 07master * r57cd34b 10/ templates/RaidBuffer.lua : Make raid buffer fall back to the single-target spell when checking range, since raid-wide spell range checking is currently broken - http://is.gd/3N5N |
| 21:05.39 | CIA-59 | cork: 03Tekkub 07master * re80feac 10/ changelog.txt : Update changelog for 3.0.2.5-Beta - http://is.gd/3N5P |
| 21:05.52 | CIA-59 | cork: 03Tekkub 07master * r3c9c560 10/ (Cork.toc README.textile): Weekly build 3.0.2.5-Beta - http://is.gd/3N5S |
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| 21:06.04 | CIA-59 | cork: 03Tekkub 07master * r565a665 10/ : Merge commit '3.0.2.5-Beta' - http://is.gd/3N5X |
| 21:07.15 | Camci | does curse client thing work now for all wowace files? |
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| 21:08.03 | fewyn | yes Camci |
| 21:09.56 | waallen | Is there currently a version of Parrot which supports triggers for Death Knights? |
| 21:10.03 | CIA-59 | spew: 03Tekkub 07master * rd223596 10/ README.textile : Update readme for /spewmouse - http://is.gd/3N6S |
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| 21:10.21 | profalbert | waallen: not yet, you could make a ticket |
| 21:10.47 | CIA-59 | spew: 03Tekkub 07master * r720c485 10/ changelog.txt : Update changelog for 3.0.2.3-Beta - http://is.gd/3N70 |
| 21:10.59 | CIA-59 | spew: 03Tekkub 07master * r07891ce 10/ (README.textile Spew.toc): Weekly build 3.0.2.3-Beta - http://is.gd/3N71 |
| 21:11.10 | profalbert | waallen: http://www.wowace.com/projects/parrot/tickets/ |
| 21:11.12 | CIA-59 | spew: 03Tekkub 07master * r5707f78 10/ : Merge commit '3.0.2.3-Beta' - http://is.gd/3N74 |
| 21:11.19 | waallen | yeah, I was on that page already |
| 21:11.29 | waallen | just noticed there is a new beta on curse.com, I'll see if it's in in that one |
| 21:11.53 | profalbert | waallen: its not |
| 21:12.05 | waallen | oh, just noticed you have been working on it as well |
| 21:12.12 | waallen | sorry, before I quit ckk was the only one on it |
| 21:12.16 | waallen | I'll make a ticket |
| 21:12.29 | ckknight | hrm? |
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| 21:16.45 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07WotLK * 1.0.3021-1-ge927a2a / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] add Deathknight to classchoices for triggers |
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| 21:18.27 | profalbert | hmm, everytime I push the WotLK branch, the master-branch gets repacked |
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| 21:20.04 | waallen | that was fast :d |
| 21:20.18 | profalbert | yeah, just tagging it so you can download it ;) |
| 21:20.57 | waallen | do the updates get pushed automatically over the wow.curse.com pages as well? |
| 21:21.36 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 04Parrot-1.0.1.2 * e35c722 /: [new tag] add Deathknight to classchoices for triggers |
| 21:23.04 | profalbert | waallen: yep. http://static.wowace.com/uploads/18/246/298/Parrot-Parrot-1.0.1.2.zip |
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| 21:24.57 | waallen | awesome |
| 21:25.04 | Dashkal | ParrotParrot... |
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| 21:30.07 | falconindy1 | Is there a list of 3.0/beta compatible addons somewhere? |
| 21:30.23 | profalbert | falconindy1: there was one on wowwiki once, iirc |
| 21:30.54 | profalbert | falconindy: http://www.wowwiki.com/Wotlk_Addon_Status |
| 21:31.13 | falconindy | ah, neat |
| 21:32.41 | Pneumatus | is it possible to paste russian text into an enUS wow client? |
| 21:34.22 | [dRaCo] | I would think so |
| 21:34.29 | [dRaCo] | since wow supports utf8 |
| 21:35.13 | Pneumatus | well, id have thought so too, but when i paste the chars appear as questionmarks |
| 21:35.43 | CIA-59 | tekability: 03Tekkub 07master * rc6638fe 10/ tekability.toc : Updating TOC to 30000 - http://is.gd/3NbT |
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| 21:41.21 | Hesselgren | Any good tooltip adon alternatives? While Startip is geting fixed? |
| 21:41.39 | profalbert | Hesselgren: i still use cowtip |
| 21:41.59 | Arrowmaster | i still use tinytip |
| 21:42.11 | sztanpet | how do i disable my addon with ace3? |
| 21:42.17 | Hesselgren | Arrowmaster |
| 21:42.34 | Hesselgren | good configuration options? |
| 21:42.52 | Arrowmaster | not sure, i think the config was messed up at one point |
| 21:43.05 | Hesselgren | ok |
| 21:43.09 | Arrowmaster | i just have mine all setup and never touch the config |
| 21:49.03 | sztanpet | am i missing something or there is no http://old.wowace.com/wiki/LibRock-1.0#:ToggleActive.28.5Bstate.5D.29 like function for ace3 |
| 21:49.09 | sztanpet | or im just not finding it |
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| 21:50.33 | Repo | WoWAce Post-Processing: Virtually inflate Library Revision numbers for proper upgrade path |
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| 21:57.28 | pentium166 | what's a good blizzard-like player buff addon? or should I just move the blizzard frames (my minimap isn't in the top right)? |
| 21:57.53 | Bruners_ | buffalo |
| 21:58.13 | sztanpet | satrina buff frames rocks |
| 21:58.28 | sztanpet | buffalo was using huge amounts of cpu for me |
| 21:58.33 | sztanpet | not sure why |
| 22:00.37 | Adirelle | sztanpet: about ToggleActive : you have only :Enable() and :Disable() for AceAddon-3.0 |
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| 22:01.57 | sztanpet | oh there are? |
| 22:02.34 | sztanpet | yea i see it in the source |
| 22:02.46 | sztanpet | thanks |
| 22:03.33 | pentium166 | i'm going through addons and getting stuff that will work in 3.0, i don't think buffalo has been updated yet. someone seems to have worked it out on the forums but hasn't had a chance to upload/check it in yet |
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| 22:05.53 | spode | try basicbuffs? only thing it does is lets you move the buff frame |
| 22:08.23 | Killmore | hi, do you think patch will be next week ? |
| 22:08.31 | chiper | I'm scared to find out how many of my addons wont work in 3.0 |
| 22:08.53 | pentium166 | i copied my live ui over to the ptr and it imploded :D |
| 22:09.02 | chiper | heh |
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| 22:09.40 | chiper | Killmore: it'll be sometime this month, this is all anyone knows for sure |
| 22:09.42 | winkiller | will there be any big changes from the 3.0.2? patch next week to WotLK? as in complete addon rewrites? |
| 22:09.59 | chiper | winkiller: shouldnt be |
| 22:10.10 | winkiller | that's good :P |
| 22:10.30 | chiper | yeah, so we'll at least have a few weeks to get our UIs stable again before it comes out |
| 22:10.59 | Arrowmaster | yes there are big changes requiring complete addon rewrites |
| 22:11.15 | chiper | Arrowmaster: he meant between 3.0 and WOTLK |
| 22:11.15 | KriLL3 | winkiller: it breaks quite a few addons in different ways but leaves others untouched, depends on what the addons does |
| 22:11.24 | KriLL3 | chiper: no I don't think he did |
| 22:11.28 | winkiller | yes I did |
| 22:11.40 | KriLL3 | why would there be a diff between 3.0.2 and LK? |
| 22:11.42 | chiper | grins |
| 22:11.48 | winkiller | because there will be |
| 22:11.52 | nevcairiel | 3.0.2 is already wotlk, you only need a key to unlock your char for the expansion content |
| 22:11.57 | winkiller | the question is just how much :P |
| 22:12.03 | KriLL3 | winkiller: no there will not |
| 22:12.03 | nevcairiel | and those keys will only be sold in one month :P |
| 22:12.03 | winkiller | I can hardly raid atm, always 5 fps |
| 22:12.10 | chiper | winkiller: the only different between 303 and LK is content |
| 22:12.17 | chiper | no functionality changes |
| 22:12.19 | winkiller | so I'm pushing my "redo complete UI incl wiping all savedvars" till 3.0.2 |
| 22:12.23 | chiper | *3.0.2 |
| 22:12.30 | KriLL3 | addons aren't affected unless they list gear or something... |
| 22:12.32 | winkiller | I bet LK will be 3.0.3 or .4 |
| 22:12.42 | winkiller | as in.. again many patches |
| 22:12.48 | winkiller | as usual. it's one month... |
| 22:13.00 | nevcairiel | Usually 3.0.1 is beta, .2 is PTR/Patch before Expansion, and 3.0.3 hits with expansion release |
| 22:13.05 | nevcairiel | thats how it was for BC, anyway |
| 22:13.13 | winkiller | that's what I meant |
| 22:13.14 | winkiller | thanks :) |
| 22:13.14 | chiper | nevcairiel: will you need to do an install between 3.0.2 and LK? or just an unlock? |
| 22:13.25 | nevcairiel | an install for the content, too |
| 22:13.29 | chiper | ah, ok |
| 22:13.30 | profalbert | "usually" it just happend once so far ;) |
| 22:13.51 | chiper | was hoping I'd be spared ANOTHER 30 minute install process |
| 22:15.14 | chiper | oh man, I so want that Owned! battle standard |
| 22:15.14 | pentium166 | it's not the install process i'm concerned about, but being able to actually log in and do things on the day it's released |
| 22:15.20 | Groktar | well chiper |
| 22:15.41 | Groktar | wotlk probably won't take that long to install since it's on 1 dvd |
| 22:16.00 | Groktar | but there's a good chance you'll need a big fat patch before you can log in |
| 22:16.00 | Groktar | :D |
| 22:16.11 | pentium166 | arr, ptr server shutdown. |
| 22:16.14 | chiper | Groktar: my BC copy is on DVD too, still takes it 30 minutes |
| 22:16.15 | koaschten | hmm? wasnt x.x.0 a release, x.x.1 emergency patch and x.x.2 bugfixing ? |
| 22:16.21 | Groktar | oO |
| 22:16.26 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 22:16.37 | Groktar | offers chiper a new dvd drive |
| 22:16.48 | chiper | this is why i no longer do installs. I keep a regular backup of my wow install on an external drie |
| 22:16.51 | chiper | *drive |
| 22:17.05 | nevcairiel | I want to reinstall the whole thing for expansion |
| 22:17.13 | nevcairiel | so i get proper mpq files |
| 22:17.14 | koaschten | i already am loathing the addon cleanup and updating -.- |
| 22:17.20 | Groktar | i'm just peeved that the east coast bastards will get a 3 hour head start on me! |
| 22:17.20 | nevcairiel | and not the patched hell :P |
| 22:17.31 | winkiller | 2.0.1: This is the patch that comes with the TBC installation CDs/DVD |
| 22:17.41 | chiper | Groktar: shooting for that First 80 achievement? |
| 22:17.43 | koaschten | nevcairiel wouldnt it be best to do the "Download WoW, TBC, WOTLK directly from Blizz" step? |
| 22:17.49 | koaschten | then nothing would be patched ^^ |
| 22:17.56 | Groktar | heh, i play the wrong class for that |
| 22:18.01 | Groktar | no way will a warrior get it |
| 22:18.09 | nevcairiel | koaschten: meh i want to play sometime =P |
| 22:18.14 | koaschten | :D |
| 22:18.23 | chiper | koaschten: you can do that? the mirror lists I've seen still showed it in stages |
| 22:18.32 | koaschten | last time i installed wow new was back in summer 07 when i got a new machine |
| 22:18.44 | nevcairiel | but MPQ isnt really determinisitc, it increases in size over time if you patch more |
| 22:18.56 | nevcairiel | weird thing |
| 22:18.57 | koaschten | of course, cause its just a container isnt it? |
| 22:19.03 | Fisker- | TBC were 2.0.1x or so when it finally got released |
| 22:19.04 | Fisker- | btw |
| 22:19.21 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: on the CD yeah, but you already had patches to make it 2.0.3 or something |
| 22:19.33 | Groktar | what nevcairiel said |
| 22:19.45 | chiper | still isnt sure which toon he's gonna give the polarbear mount to |
| 22:19.46 | Fisker- | I mean the patch number when TBC went live |
| 22:19.54 | Fisker- | Was like 2.0.11 or something like that |
| 22:19.55 | winkiller | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch#Patch_2.0:_Before_the_Storm_.2F_The_Burning_Crusade |
| 22:19.57 | Groktar | 2.0.1 on the cd, and then you patched to 2.0.3 |
| 22:20.10 | Fisker- | oh |
| 22:20.18 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: ping |
| 22:20.24 | Fisker- | Still 2.0.5 btw |
| 22:20.25 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:20.28 | Groktar | wait, which day did tbc come out? |
| 22:20.41 | Groktar | 1/11, right? |
| 22:20.42 | winkiller | january or february |
| 22:21.05 | nevcairiel | 1/16 i think |
| 22:21.11 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 22:21.11 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: omen3 error http://ace.pastey.net/97915 happend right after combat |
| 22:21.32 | KriLL3 | aka it missed the holiday |
| 22:21.36 | Adirelle | profalbert: you know that the CC always installs the latest version of a mod, be it tagged 2.4.3 or 3.0.2, don't you ? |
| 22:21.38 | winkiller | released on January 16th, 2007 in North America, Europe and Australia, February 2nd, 2007 in Korea, April 3rd, 2007 in Taiwan and Hong Kong, and September 6th, 2007 in Mainland China. |
| 22:21.54 | koaschten | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/download/index.html |
| 22:21.56 | koaschten | there you go |
| 22:22.02 | koaschten | 2 downloads for a clean re-install |
| 22:22.12 | nevcairiel | 2.0.3 was the main patch for TBC opening, .4 and .5 were damn bug fixes =P |
| 22:22.20 | profalbert | Adirelle: didn't know that, thanks, but they should all be flagged as beta |
| 22:22.34 | Groktar | is looking forward to the event |
| 22:22.49 | nevcairiel | koaschten: thats the same as installing from my cds <.< |
| 22:22.53 | fewyn | so what ldb display does everyone use? |
| 22:23.05 | nevcairiel | fewyn: Fortress for me |
| 22:23.06 | koaschten | ldb? |
| 22:23.10 | Groktar | i kinda expect my guild to go around killing all that stuff for the first few days, since raiding will be impractical on patch day |
| 22:23.13 | NeoTron | ButtonBin (but then again, I wrote it :) |
| 22:23.16 | winkiller | libdatabroker |
| 22:23.21 | koaschten | i am still using fubar... am i so 2007 ? :X |
| 22:23.26 | nevcairiel | definately |
| 22:23.26 | winkiller | me too |
| 22:23.27 | chiper | koaschten: but are those updated to current release? If not, i might as well just install from disk |
| 22:23.29 | winkiller | it works... |
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| 22:23.39 | Adirelle | profalbert: betas are syndicated to curse, so they are installed by the CC anyway, i.e. I just got Parrot v1.0.2 installed in my live addon folder |
| 22:23.48 | Groktar | hears converge_fu is a magnficent plugin for fubar |
| 22:23.51 | nevcairiel | the BC file on that page says you need classic installed first chiper, so thats already kinda wasted.. :) |
| 22:24.11 | profalbert | hmm ok, I'll do a fake-commit |
| 22:24.20 | koaschten | the point is, you dont have to swap DVD's :X |
| 22:24.23 | profalbert | and upload the next wotlk-thingy manually |
| 22:24.26 | chiper | doing a fresh install guarantees AT LEAST four installs. standard, BC, combined update to last major release, then one or more minor updates |
| 22:24.28 | nevcairiel | koaschten: hah |
| 22:24.54 | fewyn | we need a category for broker plugins |
| 22:24.55 | fewyn | imo |
| 22:24.59 | winkiller | yeah |
| 22:25.02 | koaschten | guess i will just get that stupid download for the sake of not having to swap CDs someday ... and i got a collectors edition TBC ... that came with dvd and cds ! |
| 22:25.04 | nevcairiel | chiper: yeah, classic, BC, LK, minor patch to LK .. damn those installs =P |
| 22:25.05 | chiper | and WotLK will add another one too |
| 22:25.06 | Groktar | shouldn't they be able to fit everything on the wotlk dvd if they make it double layer? |
| 22:25.07 | winkiller | otherwise I'll nevber test it |
| 22:25.32 | nevcairiel | chiper: just do it when you have LK already, and you save the BC patch :D |
| 22:25.32 | chiper | My kingdom for a single installer to take you from fresh to full WotLK |
| 22:25.40 | winkiller | yep |
| 22:25.43 | chiper | nev: will it? |
| 22:25.46 | winkiller | 7gb download :P |
| 22:25.49 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:25.52 | fewyn | Groktar: but how many people have double layer readers? |
| 22:25.57 | chiper | ah good |
| 22:26.00 | fewyn | wow+bc+wotlk=14gb |
| 22:26.02 | Groktar | everyone? |
| 22:26.03 | koaschten | thats a DL DVD |
| 22:26.03 | nevcairiel | you can install BC just fine without installing 1.12 before :P |
| 22:26.04 | winkiller | WAR took 4h to install |
| 22:26.09 | winkiller | I'll take CDs over that |
| 22:26.19 | nevcairiel | at least LK comes on dvd for everyone |
| 22:26.22 | nevcairiel | not only collector |
| 22:26.23 | chiper | fewyn: all DVD drives read DL |
| 22:26.27 | fewyn | they do? |
| 22:26.27 | vithos | there's no such thing as a single-layer-reading-only DVD drive is there? |
| 22:26.34 | Groktar | yes fewyn |
| 22:26.34 | fewyn | there might be! |
| 22:26.40 | chiper | they have since the beginning |
| 22:26.44 | nevcairiel | vithos: maybe first generation or something :D |
| 22:26.47 | KriLL3 | collector should come with a blu-ray with all of it =P |
| 22:26.48 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 04Parrot-1.0.1 * 7af66e5 /: [new tag] merged with new wowace-svn |
| 22:26.50 | vithos | a large majority of films are dual layer |
| 22:26.55 | koaschten | fewyn if you find one that is sould at the moment i am sending you a dual layer one |
| 22:27.15 | koaschten | word KriLL3 |
| 22:27.17 | Groktar | vithos: ya, you probably have to look for an indie film to find one on single layer |
| 22:27.23 | chiper | you can often spot the layer change on shitty dvd players |
| 22:27.30 | chiper | a half second pause where there shouldnt be one |
| 22:27.44 | nevcairiel | profalbert: you know, you dont need to include "Parrot" in the tag name.. :) |
| 22:27.59 | winkiller | parrots are verbose... |
| 22:28.07 | nevcairiel | truth |
| 22:28.16 | profalbert | heh, I want the files named like that |
| 22:28.21 | koaschten | chiper good movies are burned on dvd so there is a cut at the moment of the layer change, so you dont even notice on bad players |
| 22:28.30 | nevcairiel | Like that -> Parrot-Parrot-1.0.1.zip? |
| 22:28.31 | chiper | koaschten: *nod* |
| 22:28.36 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:29.01 | nevcairiel | good movies come on bluray |
| 22:29.06 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 22:29.06 | profalbert | hmm damn |
| 22:29.07 | winkiller | wow, I never thought of that |
| 22:29.25 | chiper | does not yet require bluray |
| 22:29.29 | profalbert | well, guess it's time for bed then |
| 22:29.43 | chiper | only HDTV I have is the 22" widescreen monitor in my office |
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| 22:30.04 | KriLL3 | you notice the diff between dvd and blu-ray on a 22'' |
| 22:30.11 | chiper | and that usually has WoW on it |
| 22:30.16 | nevcairiel | on my 22" LCD i definately see a difference between DVD and BluRay (or rather, 720p ripped movies) |
| 22:30.22 | chiper | KriLL3: oh I know, I have my xbox connected to it |
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| 22:31.04 | chiper | I actually spent the $40 to get an HD-DVD drive for it. the few HD-DVD movies I bought look amazing, better than they did in the theater |
| 22:31.05 | Adirelle | hrmf... disabled broker_durability... now broker_clock cries for acetimer-3.0... seems someone didn't do his homework |
| 22:31.20 | chiper | but I rarely am willing to let that screen be monopolized by a movie |
| 22:31.23 | nevcairiel | chiper: too bad HDDVD was discontinued |
| 22:31.28 | chiper | nev: indeed |
| 22:31.40 | chiper | but now you can get HD-DVDs for $5-$10 |
| 22:31.49 | Groktar | nevcairiel: same here. too bad my computer can't handle 1080p :( |
| 22:32.01 | nevcairiel | woot? |
| 22:32.05 | nevcairiel | get some proper codec |
| 22:32.07 | KriLL3 | Groktar: you need almost nothing for 1080p |
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| 22:32.23 | chiper | you need a machine made in the last two years |
| 22:32.31 | KriLL3 | no |
| 22:32.48 | nevcairiel | I average at about 10% cpu usage on a 1080p |
| 22:32.59 | nevcairiel | not exactly sure if my codec offloads stuff to the gpu |
| 22:33.01 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 22:33.06 | grennon | i get 405 errors when i try to update some of my mods from HEAD |
| 22:33.18 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: ripped dvds are transcoded to shit |
| 22:33.21 | nevcairiel | 405? thats alot of errors |
| 22:33.22 | Groktar | what if it's h.264? |
| 22:33.22 | Groktar | :D |
| 22:33.30 | KriLL3 | then you need a beast of a machine |
| 22:33.32 | Arrowmaster | 10% cpu on 1080p h264? |
| 22:33.32 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: not in 1080p h264 :P |
| 22:33.47 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: it probably uses the GPU, i guess |
| 22:33.51 | Arrowmaster | has to |
| 22:33.51 | nevcairiel | DXVA etc |
| 22:33.56 | grennon | as in 405, method not allowed |
| 22:33.57 | Arrowmaster | coreavc? |
| 22:34.05 | KriLL3 | you can offset size on disk with CPU usage |
| 22:34.06 | grennon | did author credentials change or something in the curse change? |
| 22:34.16 | nevcairiel | grennon: svn url changed |
| 22:34.22 | KriLL3 | if you got plenty of storage and a slow CPU choose a less involved codec |
| 22:34.23 | nevcairiel | and credentials probably too |
| 22:34.38 | grennon | dev.wowace.com is now ? |
| 22:34.46 | NeoTron | svn.wowace.com |
| 22:34.51 | NeoTron | but all the url's are different |
| 22:34.59 | NeoTron | since there's no unified repro anymore |
| 22:35.19 | nevcairiel | check www.wowace.com for your project and the forums for threads on all what happend =P |
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| 22:35.44 | Arrowmaster | KriLL3: h264 is just better than divx/xvid all around though, at the resolutions that divx/xvid are used at almost anybody can play h264 of |
| 22:35.58 | grennon | i picked the wrong weekend to update my shit to ace3 |
| 22:36.23 | nevcairiel | just set a svn password in your profile on the page |
| 22:36.31 | nevcairiel | and check your projects for the svn urls |
| 22:36.33 | nevcairiel | and you're all set |
| 22:37.02 | Groktar | like, i can play a 720p h.264 just fine |
| 22:37.13 | Groktar | and a full length movie is usually under 8gb then |
| 22:37.18 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:37.27 | Groktar | i shudder to think what it would be in whatever is on the bluray disc |
| 22:37.28 | nevcairiel | i have 2 1080p right now, like 12gb each |
| 22:37.28 | KriLL3 | I prefer h.264 and matroska |
| 22:38.00 | Groktar | i just wish i could get them to play in something other than vlc |
| 22:38.02 | Arrowmaster | 1080p on blueray uses some really high bitrates |
| 22:38.15 | KriLL3 | vlc roxxors j00 boxxors |
| 22:38.15 | Arrowmaster | Groktar: google cccp |
| 22:38.20 | Arrowmaster | vlc is crap |
| 22:38.30 | nevcairiel | Groktar: MPC-HC works wonders |
| 22:38.42 | Groktar | as in media player classic? |
| 22:38.46 | Groktar | give |
| 22:38.50 | nevcairiel | HomeCinema edition! |
| 22:38.51 | Arrowmaster | Groktar: google cccp |
| 22:38.53 | Megalon | http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:39.00 | kilrogg | mpc-hc really rocks |
| 22:39.21 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cccp-project.net/ |
| 22:39.28 | nevcairiel | get AC3Filter and CoreAVC too, and you're all set for h264 action |
| 22:39.35 | nevcairiel | cccp includes too much junk, imho |
| 22:39.39 | nevcairiel | it broke all my codecs once |
| 22:39.43 | nevcairiel | so i stopped using it =P |
| 22:39.47 | Arrowmaster | cccp doesnt include anything unnecessary |
| 22:39.54 | Arrowmaster | and ac3filter is unnecessary |
| 22:40.11 | KriLL3 | I use ffd |
| 22:40.21 | Arrowmaster | which is what cccp uses |
| 22:40.26 | nevcairiel | ac3filter is so much better then anything else i tried to get proper sound |
| 22:40.32 | nevcairiel | ffd never managed that |
| 22:40.36 | fewyn | tries ButtonBin now |
| 22:40.42 | Groktar | oh hells yes |
| 22:40.45 | Arrowmaster | ive never had any issues with sound |
| 22:40.49 | Groktar | is so happy |
| 22:41.28 | Arrowmaster | although i do have the sound matrix tweaked for personal preference, center to center at 2.0, center to R and L at 1.0 |
| 22:41.36 | Bruners_ | bsplayer is the best! |
| 22:41.58 | Groktar | i like mpc because of its simple interface |
| 22:42.21 | Arrowmaster | bsplayer is broken |
| 22:42.24 | Groktar | vlc drives me nuts because a gui doesn't popup when i put my mouse at the bottom |
| 22:42.41 | KriLL3 | what do you need a gui for? |
| 22:42.47 | Groktar | so i can skip |
| 22:42.52 | KriLL3 | keybinds? |
| 22:43.03 | KriLL3 | mouse gestures? |
| 22:43.13 | Bruners_ | skipping with mouse in a search bar will always be better |
| 22:43.17 | Groktar | ^ |
| 22:43.28 | KriLL3 | double click |
| 22:43.37 | Groktar | and then it's not fullscreen anymore |
| 22:44.06 | Groktar | it's irritating not having such a basic feature |
| 22:44.21 | Bruners_ | bsplayer is nice since i can play directly from rar's |
| 22:44.25 | KriLL3 | I bet there is a plugin for it |
| 22:44.34 | KriLL3 | Bruners_: how's that nice? |
| 22:44.41 | vithos | Bruners_: multi-volume rars, or just single like vlc? |
| 22:44.41 | Repo | 10broker_sysmon: 03Adirelle * r44 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fixed both .pkgmeta and svn externals. |
| 22:44.42 | Repo | Added missing external for AceTimer-3.0. |
| 22:44.57 | Bruners_ | vithos: multi |
| 22:45.03 | vithos | tempting |
| 22:45.13 | Arrowmaster | why the hell would you keep multi volume rars around |
| 22:45.17 | Bruners_ | KriLL3: i download a pirated movie dobule click the rar file and watch it? |
| 22:45.31 | KriLL3 | errm, extracting is that hard? |
| 22:45.33 | Bruners_ | Arrowmaster: to keep seeding? :P |
| 22:45.45 | Bruners_ | KriLL3: no its not, but when i dont have to i dont |
| 22:46.02 | Arrowmaster | your still extracting it i bet, to a temp file |
| 22:46.07 | vithos | KriLL3: not hard, just inconvenient and a waste of time |
| 22:46.24 | KriLL3 | vithos: you prefer to have piles of archives instead of the actual files? |
| 22:46.26 | Bruners_ | Arrowmaster: maby, but it still lets me watch it without any issues |
| 22:46.29 | vithos | yes |
| 22:46.40 | KriLL3 | do you have a neckbeard? |
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| 22:47.16 | Bruners_ | i have all my archives intact, even porn |
| 22:47.22 | Arrowmaster | i would still never touch a player with broken playback issues |
| 22:47.33 | Bruners_ | Arrowmaster: what is broken ? |
| 22:47.43 | KriLL3 | I think he means VLC |
| 22:47.49 | Arrowmaster | not sure but its been reported as having broken playback issues |
| 22:47.54 | Arrowmaster | and i have no reason to try it |
| 22:48.01 | KriLL3 | I haven't had any issues with playlists |
| 22:49.15 | Repo | 10pira-plex: 03piranther * r89 : - fix svn:externals |
| 22:49.51 | KriLL3 | I personally prefer VLC for video, and to sample music and playing other audio files, iTunes for Music |
| 22:50.16 | Arrowmaster | mpc for video, foobar2000 for music |
| 22:50.16 | KriLL3 | I can't live without smart playlists, genius etc |
| 22:50.19 | fewyn | hmmm |
| 22:50.27 | fewyn | i feel like i might be missing something in my new ui |
| 22:50.49 | Archarodim | Arrowmaster: did you find why the packager broke on Decursive ? |
| 22:50.51 | KriLL3 | mpc just looks to windows 95 for me =P if it's functionality could be put into a more modern app I'd use it |
| 22:51.09 | Arrowmaster | Archarodim: i dont personally know but it was fixed |
| 22:51.28 | Arrowmaster | how does it look any different than vlc? |
| 22:51.33 | Archarodim | I think it happens because I tried to delete a tag... |
| 22:51.54 | Groktar | Arrowmaster: you're talking to KriLL3, after all |
| 22:51.56 | Bruners_ | KriLL3: and vlc is not windows 95? |
| 22:52.21 | KriLL3 | well in vista they look very different |
| 22:52.38 | Arrowmaster | eww vista |
| 22:52.43 | KriLL3 | the UI elements use vista's style in VLC, MPC just looks like win95 |
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| 22:53.01 | Arrowmaster | have you tried mpc-hc? |
| 22:53.05 | Bruners_ | didnt know that |
| 22:53.12 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: does it look any different? |
| 22:53.18 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 22:53.21 | Bruners_ | Vista is also nice :P |
| 22:53.28 | Arrowmaster | mpc hasnt been really updated in years |
| 22:53.48 | KriLL3 | that "C" stands for something you know |
| 22:54.00 | Arrowmaster | yes i know |
| 22:54.11 | Arrowmaster | and ive seen screenshots of mpc-hc in vista |
| 22:54.14 | Groktar | vlc looks the same for in vista as it does in xp |
| 22:54.17 | Arrowmaster | and it didnt look like windows 95 |
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| 22:54.36 | KriLL3 | http://images.videolan.org/vlc/screenshots/0.8.4/vista_screenshot.png http://www.neilturner.me.uk/shots/mplayerc.jpg note that the vista SS is from the beta, it's a bit nicer on retail/SP1 |
| 22:54.41 | vithos | i'm using MPC on vista and it uses vista's visual styles. |
| 22:55.04 | fewyn | So what bar addons do we have that work in both live and wotlk? |
| 22:55.15 | KriLL3 | fewyn: not many |
| 22:55.22 | Arrowmaster | bartender4 |
| 22:55.43 | fewyn | I don't know why but I really dislike bt4 |
| 22:55.52 | KriLL3 | asses and all that |
| 22:55.54 | vithos | dominos |
| 22:56.15 | falconindy | fewyn: i would love BT4 if the alignment tab would be more than a to-do list |
| 22:56.26 | KriLL3 | why is alignment that important? |
| 22:56.33 | KriLL3 | move the bar where it's supposed to go, done. |
| 22:56.34 | Arrowmaster | i thought that was in the wotlk version |
| 22:56.44 | Groktar | it does snap to in wotlk |
| 22:57.05 | KriLL3 | and how is that a big deal? just need to set it up once |
| 22:57.18 | fewyn | because it's a pain in the ass to line it up manually? |
| 22:57.20 | KriLL3 | I don't get in a tizzy when addons are a bit complex to setup |
| 22:57.22 | Bruners_ | i would like cordinate alignment |
| 22:57.24 | KriLL3 | fewyn: once |
| 22:57.28 | fewyn | still |
| 22:57.35 | Bruners_ | KriLL3: that depends on how often you change your ui :P |
| 22:57.45 | KriLL3 | PB, CDT2 and a number of other addons are a pain to setup, but you do it once. |
| 22:57.51 | fewyn | I have to move bars depending on if i'm pvping or raiding |
| 22:58.10 | KriLL3 | Bruners_: I only swap addons for different elements if I find something better, I don't re-haul it every day for the heck of it |
| 22:58.16 | Arrowmaster | you dont have to, you just choose to |
| 22:58.20 | KriLL3 | fewyn: you should fix that |
| 22:58.42 | KriLL3 | use 2 bars and enable/disable them, add macro that switches |
| 22:58.49 | KriLL3 | no need to drag em around |
| 22:59.22 | falconindy | the lack of alignment tools doesn't stop me from plotting it out with pencil and paper and editing the savedvars, but it'd certainly be nice to have it in game |
| 23:00.37 | Bruners_ | the alignment tool for parrot is good |
| 23:00.44 | KriLL3 | I've never had a need for alignment or snapping, I move em manually to the positions I want em and then lock em |
| 23:00.55 | Repo | 10broker_sysmon: 03Adirelle * r45 Broker_SysMon.toc: |
| 23:00.55 | Repo | Updated the TOC file so the no-lib version has a chance to load properly. |
| 23:01.34 | Groktar | i'm certainly happy that it has in wotlk because they still haven't fixed uiscale not saving |
| 23:04.47 | fewyn | rawr at fubar addons that list fubar as a dependency when i want to use it with fortress |
| 23:05.30 | Adirelle | fewyn: ugly hack: rename fubar2broker to fubar (don't forget the .toc) |
| 23:06.03 | KriLL3 | fewyn: fortress? |
| 23:06.09 | fewyn | ldb display KriLL3 |
| 23:06.18 | KriLL3 | ldb display? |
| 23:06.31 | Adirelle | g'night |
| 23:06.32 | fewyn | do you know what ldb is? |
| 23:06.34 | Repo | 10mobile-vault: 03Starinnia * r69 / (2 files in 1 directory): MobileVault: cleanup for the this->self change in 3.0.2 |
| 23:06.38 | KriLL3 | no |
| 23:06.44 | Dashkal | KriLL3: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10401-Fortress.html |
| 23:06.46 | fewyn | can't i just go into the svn and maybe edit the addons to change it >_> |
| 23:06.54 | fewyn | ldb is like a cooler version of fubar/titan panel |
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| 23:07.28 | Dashkal | ldb did something that was badly needed. It broke the dependancy between the data source (think fubar plugin) and the displayer (think fubar itself). |
| 23:07.54 | KriLL3 | but why use it instead of fubar? |
| 23:08.04 | Dashkal | You can choose your displayer now |
| 23:08.06 | fewyn | It uses even less resources than fubar |
| 23:08.12 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 06wrath * r91 SMD_Timers.lua: SimpleMD: cleanup for the this->self change in 3.0.2 |
| 23:08.12 | fewyn | depending on which displayer you use |
| 23:08.18 | kenlyric | can i choose a thin bar? |
| 23:08.21 | Dashkal | and getting fubar off my system was total win: No more huge rockconfig on right-click |
| 23:08.23 | fewyn | fortress is really light weight |
| 23:09.15 | Dashkal | there are a couple bridges if there's a fubar plugin you can't live without or if you're really determined to use fubar and want to have ldb sources plug in. |
| 23:10.00 | Zeksie | i take it it's not close to finished yet? cos i tried it, and immediately missed the menus from fubar.. and removed it again. |
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| 23:11.04 | Dashkal | I assume you mean the right-click menus on individual plugins? |
| 23:11.06 | NeoTron | ButtonBin allows you to have bars. fortress and statblockcore are individual lego blocks |
| 23:11.09 | Zeksie | yeah |
| 23:11.14 | Dashkal | Those are up to the plugins, not fortress |
| 23:11.33 | Zeksie | yes, i understand that.. |
| 23:11.38 | NeoTron | Zeksie: button bin definitely has menus |
| 23:11.38 | KriLL3 | why complicate matters if you want bars and use something other than fubar? |
| 23:11.42 | Dashkal | Most of the plugins simply have no need for the menus |
| 23:11.53 | Zeksie | but they seem to have added LDB support at the expense of not having menus ? |
| 23:12.09 | Zeksie | or is it just a bit early to bitch about that ;) |
| 23:12.11 | Dashkal | careful with "expense". Reducing the UI footprint is often a good thing |
| 23:12.18 | NeoTron | depends on the addon I suppost |
| 23:12.24 | KriLL3 | well some need the menus |
| 23:12.36 | NeoTron | but fubar2broker menues work in BB |
| 23:12.44 | Dashkal | LDB does support the menus. A plugin can be told when it's clicked on and at that point is perfectly capable of bringing up a menu |
| 23:12.56 | kenlyric | menus are half the reason i have fubar |
| 23:13.05 | Zeksie | same. |
| 23:13.09 | Zeksie | easy of access |
| 23:13.19 | Zeksie | i don't like going thru to options screens in ace3 style stuff |
| 23:13.25 | Zeksie | i LIKED dewdrop |
| 23:13.27 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Stanzilla * r1744 modules.xml: PitBull |
| 23:13.27 | Repo | - Add @debug@ keyword |
| 23:13.27 | NeoTron | x-perl needs a LDB provider so I can get rid of my last minimap button :P |
| 23:13.29 | Zeksie | cos it took up nearly no space. |
| 23:13.39 | Dashkal | Zeksie: dewdrop is the reason I rejected zomgbuffs... |
| 23:13.47 | NeoTron | Zeksie: it's also a pain in the neck to use for more than simple stuff |
| 23:13.53 | Dashkal | That menu cascade was amazingly difficult to use |
| 23:14.00 | Zeksie | bollocks |
| 23:14.07 | kenlyric | true |
| 23:14.22 | Zeksie | it's a lot clearer than those ever expanding trees, which is basically the same thing, just taking up the whole screen instead |
| 23:14.30 | kenlyric | when your mouse goes off 10 levels deep |
| 23:14.53 | kenlyric | and you have to start over |
| 23:14.53 | KriLL3 | I hate menus in the guise of a tooltip if they have levels, otherwise it's fine |
| 23:15.00 | kenlyric | curse you ebb |
| 23:15.13 | NeoTron | not to mention that when in a raid or party the menus seems to reset every time someone walks in/out of the instance |
| 23:15.21 | KriLL3 | cdt2 has both a gui and a tooltip, never ever use the tooltip |
| 23:15.21 | Dashkal | I've had that happen too many times. accidently mouseover a different popup a few levels up and have to navigate all the way in again |
| 23:15.23 | NeoTron | which is just mindbogglingly aggravating |
| 23:15.31 | Zeksie | i know what you mean, but i prefer that and maybe dropping 1 menu every few hours than this obscene scene blocker of ace3config.. |
| 23:15.38 | NeoTron | Zeksie: ask any UI designed how appropriate menues >1-2 levels are |
| 23:16.05 | Zeksie | sure.. i'm not saying it's perfect. But I dislike the new alternative even more |
| 23:16.08 | kenlyric | Zeksie: or, you can do both |
| 23:16.12 | kenlyric | grid does |
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| 23:16.28 | NeoTron | FuBar_MagicMarker converts my ace3 config structure int a dewdrop menu |
| 23:16.33 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: it's fine if they in a proper UI |
| 23:16.41 | Zeksie | maybe, if dewdrop and new config were more compatible.. it's a pain with the differences atm |
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| 23:16.53 | fewyn | boo i can't get locationfu to work with broker2fubar |
| 23:17.02 | fewyn | i mean fubar2broker |
| 23:17.28 | kenlyric | best info page on ldb? |
| 23:17.31 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 06wrath * r92 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 23:17.32 | Repo | SimpleMD: refactor some method names to distinguish better between timer bars and AceTimer-3.0 timers |
| 23:18.05 | kenlyric | geeze, i have a bottomless baby |
| 23:18.08 | Dashkal | fewyn: if all you need locationfu for is coords: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9223-StatBlock_Coords.html If you liked the extensive tooltip, nevermind |
| 23:18.21 | fewyn | nah |
| 23:18.23 | fewyn | i dont |
| 23:18.26 | kenlyric | i just use the names |
| 23:18.29 | fewyn | i like to have where i am listed somewhere |
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| 23:18.33 | KriLL3 | I got that on my minimap |
| 23:18.34 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 23:18.43 | fewyn | like i'm sitting in scryer's tier |
| 23:18.50 | KriLL3 | that's on your minimap |
| 23:18.51 | fewyn | i like that to have that displayed somewhere |
| 23:18.55 | Dashkal | Yeah, that one is just coords. Though making an ldb for location name would probabl;y be trivial |
| 23:18.58 | fewyn | yea but i don't like it on my minimap =p |
| 23:19.02 | Zeksie | ocs you have your eyes closed obviously.. |
| 23:19.21 | Stanzilla | kenlyric: http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/wikis/data-specifications |
| 23:19.21 | Zeksie | anyway. nite. tired. bb |
| 23:19.25 | Dashkal | Oh, there we go: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9227-StatBlock_ZoneText.html |
| 23:19.33 | fewyn | awesome |
| 23:20.44 | Dashkal | just click the "Data Broker" category near the top for the full list of providers. |
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| 23:22.01 | Aeyan | I keep trying to add a LDB display to my interface |
| 23:22.15 | Aeyan | But everytime I do, I realize I don't really need anything, heh |
| 23:22.46 | Aeyan | I still seem to think it's a good idea every few weeks though |
| 23:22.56 | Dashkal | Aeyan: fortress + a durability broker is rather handy. Fortress or StatBlockCore to be specific since it _isn't_ a bar and you can just stash the blocks out of the way |
| 23:23.26 | Aeyan | Well, a bar fits well into my design |
| 23:23.31 | Aeyan | A small bar, but a bar none the less |
| 23:23.34 | Dashkal | I think dura was about the only thing the default UI didn't show well enough for my taste |
| 23:23.43 | Dashkal | The rest are extras |
| 23:23.45 | Bruners_ | Aeyan: please show your design :) |
| 23:23.54 | Aeyan | k, sec |
| 23:23.59 | NeoTron | I admit I really hated both Fortress and SBC |
| 23:24.08 | Aeyan | My newbie mage: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Aeyan/Warcraft/newbie1.jpg |
| 23:24.11 | Aeyan | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Aeyan/Warcraft/newbie2.jpg |
| 23:24.15 | NeoTron | mainly I guess because I have a lot of blocks and the level of setup is painful |
| 23:24.46 | Aeyan | The bar under my unitframe in the second one is focus - just there for screenshot purposes |
| 23:25.21 | Aeyan | NeoTron: Agreed. That was my initial trouble, hehe. |
| 23:25.26 | Dashkal | Man I wish I could get my information wishlist small enough to actually have a UI that small |
| 23:25.44 | Aeyan | I think you can see where I was going though |
| 23:25.53 | Aeyan | I was going to build a bar under the main panel |
| 23:26.06 | Aeyan | It's just, I stop halfway through doing it each time |
| 23:26.12 | Dashkal | Oh yeah... What's a good quest tracker replacement that's 3.0 ready? |
| 23:26.25 | Dashkal | The blizzard one is getting on my last nerve... |
| 23:26.53 | NeoTron | Aeyan: that's why I wrote ButtonBin ;-) |
| 23:26.55 | Pneumatus | questhelper is working, if you want all the extra shit it provides |
| 23:27.13 | Aeyan | Yeah, I've looked at it |
| 23:27.28 | Fisker- | trips NeoTron |
| 23:27.31 | Dashkal | ahh, no. I'd rather play than have an addon hold my hand for quests |
| 23:27.32 | Aeyan | But it was right after I'd decided I didn't need a bar display (again) =P |
| 23:27.53 | Dashkal | I just want a tracker replacement. Features like changing font/size and being able to click on quests to bring up the real quest entry |
| 23:28.05 | NeoTron | Beutju: BetterQuest... err 3.0 I don't know :P |
| 23:28.08 | Dashkal | questFu was pretty damn good. Should check if it still works. |
| 23:28.16 | NeoTron | man how the heck did I fail that nick completion |
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| 23:28.22 | Dashkal | That was impressive :p |
| 23:28.35 | NeoTron | I pressed b<tab> instead of d<tab> |
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| 23:28.43 | Fisker- | tripmines NeoTron |
| 23:28.47 | winkiller | very close |
| 23:28.54 | Dashkal | that's still impressive unless your keyboard layout puts those close? |
| 23:29.01 | Beutju | ? |
| 23:29.13 | Dashkal | Beutju: he intended to ping me with that |
| 23:29.19 | Beutju | ok^^ |
| 23:30.56 | NeoTron | Beutju: funny thing I can't recall seeing you active... but answered that ping real fast! |
| 23:31.25 | Dashkal | I'm trying to avoid ace2 and rock both, but I think I'm gonna have to cave on rock... I miss Chinchilla. |
| 23:32.10 | osama | hello |
| 23:32.12 | NeoTron | avoiding ace2 seems a lot more difficult |
| 23:33.01 | Dashkal | I don't think there's anything ace2 that I really can't live without. I _really_ cut back on ui mods with 3.0. Went from 100+ folders to about 12 |
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| 23:33.19 | NeoTron | once 3.0 is out live I'll likely start over from scratch |
| 23:33.21 | ckknight | Dashkal: hey |
| 23:33.33 | Dashkal | With WAU dead and my dislike for the curse client, I'm more or less gonna be updating by hand. |
| 23:33.38 | kenlyric | i have like 20 just for fubar |
| 23:33.44 | Dashkal | ckknight: mwrarf? I just don't want all of rock over a single addon. |
| 23:33.56 | ckknight | Dashkal: if you really want to do something that benefits everybody, you could remove the Rock dependency from Chinchilla |
| 23:34.01 | Dashkal | And I still hate you for right-click on empty space in fubar blocks your UI. |
| 23:34.11 | Dashkal | ckknight: *shudders* |
| 23:34.17 | ckknight | won't be that hard, actually |
| 23:34.20 | ckknight | I just haven't gotten around to it |
| 23:34.32 | Dashkal | removing a framework dependancy from code I'm not familiar with doesn't sound like fun. |
| 23:34.44 | ckknight | fair enough |
| 23:34.44 | Dashkal | I'm not hurting for ram. I'll deal with the framework first :p |
| 23:35.00 | ckknight | I want to remove the Rock dep eventually from most of my addons |
| 23:35.08 | ckknight | sadly, I lack time |
| 23:35.43 | Dashkal | isn't that always the case :( |
| 23:36.07 | kenlyric | so what can give access to ldb plugins in a long, narrow bar? |
| 23:36.19 | Dashkal | kenlyric: ButtonBin or Titan |
| 23:36.37 | kenlyric | titan isn't monstrous anymore? |
| 23:36.57 | Arrowmaster | titan is always monstorus |
| 23:37.00 | Dashkal | kenlyric: no idea. I gave it up for fubar years ago :p I just remember that it has LDB support |
| 23:37.25 | Dashkal | must remember to hack fortress to allow resizing of the block borders... |
| 23:37.28 | Arrowmaster | it used rocktimer and thus rock just for a 5 second repeating timer or something a long time ago |
| 23:37.32 | Arrowmaster | and still uses rock |
| 23:37.40 | Bruners_ | i love the right click config |
| 23:37.54 | Dashkal | Bruners_: one too many times I got myself killed that way |
| 23:38.10 | Dashkal | I use right-click to target specific enemies when I don't want to trust tab |
| 23:38.16 | NeoTron | kenlyric: you didn't ask if whether or not it was a monster |
| 23:38.24 | NeoTron | I THINK button bin is pretty lean |
| 23:39.16 | Dashkal | NeoTron: could you point me at a link to a BB download that isn't likely to spew errors at me on login? I'm pretty certain I just keep finding the wrong download. |
| 23:39.35 | NeoTron | the wowace/curse one should work I hope |
| 23:39.53 | NeoTron | if not I fail at externals and would like to know |
| 23:39.55 | Dashkal | alrighty. Had that same problem with recount. Finally got it by working down the download page |
| 23:40.03 | NeoTron | http://www.wowace.com/projects/button-bin/files/46-v1-0-1/ |
| 23:40.11 | Pneumatus | ahahaa |
| 23:40.11 | Pneumatus | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=20302.msg332883 |
| 23:40.18 | Dashkal | top one clean. escelent |
| 23:40.21 | Dashkal | excelent* |
| 23:40.22 | Pneumatus | appears someone doesnt know you can corpserun ^^ |
| 23:41.05 | Dashkal | Pneumatus: *cackles* |
| 23:41.29 | Dashkal | *smirks* Hey, not a bad idea. WTB "indestructable" runeforge chant for wipe-nights :p |
| 23:41.30 | NeoTron | Dashkal: brief look seems to indicate all the externals are accounted for |
| 23:41.47 | Dashkal | oh good. I'll try again tonight. |
| 23:42.11 | kenlyric | i wish questhelper would play nice with tourguide |
| 23:42.28 | NeoTron | kenlyric: they are sort of fulfilling same/similar job |
| 23:43.00 | NeoTron | Dashkal: if you find errors on startup... you probably want to zap the config or use a new profile, deleting the old one |
| 23:43.12 | kenlyric | yeah, but questhelper is nice for quests not in tg |
| 23:43.20 | NeoTron | I worked around a weird profile issue but realize, in retrospect, that it still has issues with old data |
| 23:43.30 | kenlyric | and tg is nice for finding quests |
| 23:43.47 | kenlyric | and giving efficient order |
| 23:44.21 | Pneumatus | questhelpers orders tend to be distance based |
| 23:44.29 | NeoTron | but using QH while using TG usually isn't a good idea |
| 23:44.30 | Pneumatus | rather than whats actually most efficient |
| 23:44.34 | Dashkal | NeoTron: no worries. I'll check for a stale savedvars before I fire it up |
| 23:44.37 | NeoTron | if a quest isn't in TG there's usually a reason |
| 23:44.41 | thul | have they upgraded evisc? |
| 23:44.56 | thul | or are today's bg-people just slaoushes? |
| 23:44.58 | Dashkal | So unless you try to magically gank my fortress config I should be golden |
| 23:45.05 | kenlyric | NeoTron: achievement.. |
| 23:45.35 | NeoTron | Dashkal: heh no, not so much |
| 23:45.37 | Groktar | ticketmaster is the biggest POS ever |
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| 23:46.02 | Groktar | the people who run ticketmaster deserve death from dry anal |
| 23:46.30 | kenlyric | 10 to sell you a ticket is fair |
| 23:46.41 | Groktar | bs |
| 23:46.55 | Groktar | the face value was $27 |
| 23:47.04 | Groktar | after all their charges it would have been $45 |
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| 23:47.23 | Groktar | i went down to the box office and got the same one for $28.13 |
| 23:47.28 | kenlyric | well, some of that is facility, charged by clerchannel |
| 23:47.32 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Stanzilla * r3 / (4 files in 1 directory): pkgmeta fun |
| 23:47.43 | kenlyric | practically a different company! |
| 23:48.19 | kenlyric | i haven't bought a non-fanclub ticket in years |
| 23:48.46 | kenlyric | old ken is old |
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| 23:54.05 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.15b-1-gba2b7c9 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] made 100% sure that macros will not be changed during combat |
| 23:54.24 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6178288773&sid=1 <-what the shit? |
| 23:54.30 | Fisker- | "After you introduced the different encoding of the mapping in WoW, it's been almost entirely IMPOSSIBLE to kite in a battleground. " |
| 23:54.31 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 23:55.24 | Yssaril | isnt the point to kill not to kite :P |
| 23:56.25 | Groktar | one of my neighbors was barbequeing chicken a couple days ago |
| 23:56.30 | Groktar | smelled so heavenly |
| 23:56.37 | Groktar | haven't been able to get it out of my head |
| 23:56.42 | Bruners_ | Fisker-: have you not noticed yourselfe getting stuff everywhere? |
| 23:56.49 | Groktar | i just got back from the store to get some chicken and marinade |
| 23:56.53 | NeoTron | does he mean the fact that you get stuck trying to walk up stairs and stuff now or what? |
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| 23:57.06 | Groktar | and also grabbed some double stuff oreos and 4 boxes of nerds to go on the side |
| 23:57.08 | Groktar | drools |
| 23:57.29 | Pneumatus | sounds like an angry russian to me Fisker- |
| 23:57.56 | Bruners_ | Fisker-: *stuck |
| 23:58.30 | Fisker- | Bruners_ no not personally |
| 23:58.34 | Fisker- | but i have heard of the issue |
| 23:58.46 | Bruners_ | Fisker-: i get stuck in all stairs there is |
| 23:58.47 | Fisker- | I was more interested in the "different encoding of the mapping" |
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| 23:59.21 | Bruners_ | Fisker-: a tiny ledge in a building and im stuck |
