IRC log for #wowace on 20081011

00:03.53PrimerSo where's the svn repository now?
00:04.24fewyneach one has it's own
00:04.28fewyncheck the pages for svn info
00:04.45Primer"the pages"
00:04.53PrimerSo each project has its own repo?
00:05.04Primerno more huge revision numbers?!?
00:05.08fewynbasically from what i understand
00:05.29fewynhttp://www.wowace.com/projects/omen-threat-meter/repositories/mainline/
00:07.19Primerthe link for my project on curseforge.com sends me to wowace.com
00:07.44fewynit was imported to wowace
00:07.48fewynwhich makes sense
00:07.52Primeryou mean "from" wowace?
00:08.02PrimerI just need the SVN URL...I can't find it
00:08.08fewynwhat project?
00:08.10Primerit's not what it was
00:08.14PrimerFlightHUD
00:08.28fewynok on your project page
00:08.31fewynclick repos
00:08.33fewynat the top
00:08.34StanzillaPrimer: http://www.wowace.com/projects/flight-hud/repositories/mainline/
00:08.40fewynand you have a svn url
00:08.49Primerhttp://www.wowace.com/projects/flight-hud/
00:09.17Primerthere is no 'repo' link or text anywhere on that page
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00:09.30PrimerStanzilla: I want to use my ssh key
00:09.33fewyn* Files
00:09.33Primerwhich is already on the site
00:09.38fewynup at the top
00:09.40fewynsee
00:09.42fewynfiles
00:09.43fewynimages
00:09.45fewynetc
00:09.51fewyn5th one over
00:09.53Primerbah, nm, I didn't see it
00:09.56Primeryeah, I suck
00:10.20StanzillaDevelopment url svn+ssh://svn@svn.wowace.com/wow/flight-hud/mainline/trunk
00:10.20Primerthanks
00:10.26Primeryup, got it, thanks
00:10.30Stanzilla:)
00:10.52fewynGive a man a fish and it feeds him for a day, show a man to fish and it feeds him for a life time.
00:12.08falconindyBuild a man a fire and he stays warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he stays warm for the rest of his life.
00:12.45Primerheh, I just couldn't see where the link was
00:12.52PrimerI know svn very well :)
00:14.12Primersigh...my branch is gone :(
00:15.03Primergood thing I still have the file locally
00:15.12Stanzillaoldsvn.wowace.com
00:15.16fewyn^
00:15.50PrimerSo where's the documentation about cutting releases and such?
00:16.17PrimerAnd will there be disclaimers about "Don't use trunk code, as it's probably broken"?
00:16.20fewynhttp://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/
00:16.25Stanzillauh it's simply. if you want to release something just tag it
00:16.39Stanzillas/ply/ple/
00:17.01PrimerStanzilla: Heh, I didn't expect it to be "normal" :)
00:17.12Stanzillait is now :P
00:18.35Primerok, so I'm going to cut a release: svn cp url://trunk url://tags/0.5.2 (obviously paraphrased) Should that suffice? I mean, I know people will probably stick with the SVN revision number, but I had already started using dotted notation
00:18.58PrimerIs there an expected standard for that too?
00:19.16PrimerI'm still reading the KB, btw
00:19.34Primerok, I see it now
00:20.01PrimerI wonder if people will stick with a standard nomenclature
00:20.10binderis there a #warace channel yet?
00:21.48Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.5.2 * r87 : Tagging as v0.5.2"
00:23.00thulgotta love people with no resilence
00:23.08thuli saw trough them
00:23.30Primerthis is so much nicer
00:23.36Primernot having to see all the other projects
00:24.30Stanzillabinder: #waruidev
00:24.32Primererr why are all the Libs coming down too? I thought that the move to .pkgmeta was supposed to eliminate that. Or must I manually remove those svn properties?
00:24.47Stanzillamanually remove
00:24.52binderthanks
00:24.59Primerok
00:25.41Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r88 : FlightHUD: Nuke svn:externals property
00:26.07PrimerThis is nice
00:27.08waallenHas anyone found a working version of autobar for wotlk beta?
00:28.22fewynnot much longer until 3.0.2
00:28.45fewynstill can't decide on what spec i want to level as
00:32.54nevcairieldoes anyone know a sane way to fix the z-index bug with dynamicly positioned divs in IE7? <.<
00:33.33Primer...use firefox? /me runs
00:34.27Repo10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r89 / (8 files in 1 directory):
00:34.27RepoFlightHUD: Merge from old wowace branch. Experimental support for waypoints.
00:34.39pentium166my preferred method is browser sniffing and "You appear to be using IE7. Please fix this."
00:34.42PrimerYour .pkgmeta file is invalid: could not found expected ':'
00:35.11Primerperhaps someone who is a native speaker of English should fix that
00:35.57Stanzillanevcairiel: something like that? http://richa.avasthi.name/blogs/tepumpkin/2008/01/11/ie7-lessons-learned/
00:36.16nevcairielStanzilla: I've been on that page, not sure if it works for us =P
00:36.21Stanzillak :P
00:38.22pentium166so THAT'S what caused it
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00:44.04Zeksiewowace site dead? oh wait, no. just massively lagged
00:46.49Primervery lagged
00:48.26Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r88 / (3 files in 2 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0:
00:48.26Repo- Fix version numbers :p
00:48.27Repo- Fix for class mounts in 3.0.2
00:49.21Repo10coconuts: 03LordFarlander * r82 Coconuts.lua: Coconuts:
00:49.21Repo- Class mounts are now listed with the others in 3.0.2
00:53.49KriLL3why oh why doesn't the bank automagically stack items? :( say your bank if full and you got 6 of x in your bags and 14 of x in your bank clicking the stack in your bags shouldn't give "your bank is full" it should move what it can to the bank and then say "your bank is full" :z
00:55.37Zeksieanyone doing an in-game version of mmo's RaidComp thing?
00:55.50fewynnot that i've heard of
00:55.53fewynbut that would be cool
00:55.59fewynif it detected what was already in the raid
00:56.00fewynand such
00:56.07Zeksieyeh. speciially if. yes. what i thought
00:56.20fewyn=p
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01:03.45Repo10fu-bar_raid-save-fu: 03jokeyrhyme * r23 / (4 files in 1 directory): FuBar_RaidSaveFu:
01:03.45Repo- 4 columns now (but ugly sometimes)
01:03.46Repo- options for time-until-reset formats (using LibAbacus-3.0)
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01:19.23thul54 minute WSG .. PUH! and we won.
01:29.18grennonso, whats the deal with .pkgmeta?
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01:39.34Arrowmasterit sets metadata for packaging your addon
01:40.19selckinKriLL3: but then you couldn't have the fun of making an addon for it
01:40.51KriLL3selckin: just wish blizz used some common sense....
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01:42.44selckintheir UI was never a point of detail or attention
01:50.51kadrahilanyone on the murmur premades?
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02:06.30Bruners_any addon that lets me change the color on hotkey/macro texts?
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02:13.12AeyanBleh, I hate the Blizzard downloader so much.
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02:17.44grennonschedulerepeatingevent is gone from aceevent in ace3?
02:18.30Xinhuanschedulerepeatingtimer in acetimer-3.0
02:21.23fewynhmmm i'm glad my ui works on the beta realms
02:24.03sylvaanare you guys using the bigwigs naxx module?
02:25.11sylvanaaranyhow, the thaddius enrage time is 6min
02:27.52Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander 042.0.89-release * r89 : Tagging as 2.0.89-release.
02:28.12Repo10coconuts: 03LordFarlander 042.5.83-release * r83 : Tagging as 2.5.83-release.
02:28.26Repo10stable: 03LordFarlander 042.1.59-release * r60 : Tagging as 2.1.59-release.
02:28.42Repo10mini-pet: 03LordFarlander 044.5.117-release * r117 : Tagging as 4.5.117-release.
02:29.36sylvanaarshould i just update it?
02:30.19grennonis there a secret repo of the old API documentation?
02:30.47Xinhuanyes, example: http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3
02:32.09sylvanaari wonder if thaddius will be 6 min on live for 3.0 before wotlk
02:34.04Repo10big-wigs_naxxramas: 03sylvanaar * r3 Thaddius.lua:
02:34.05RepoUpdate Thaddius enrage timer for wotlk. Verified its accurate to the second at 6min.
02:35.02fewynyawn
02:35.10grennonXinhuan: thanks, huge help
02:36.20Repo10big-wigs_naxxramas: 03sylvanaar * r4 BigWigs_Naxxramas.toc: Update toc to 30000, so it a little more clear
02:37.05fewyngah i'm so bored
02:37.09fewyni wish it was november
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02:53.57grennoni see people use aceconfig and aceconfigregistry seemingly interchangeably in ace3 mods
02:54.10grennonwhen are you supposed to use registry?
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02:57.48Xinhuanregistry is the core, everything else uses the registry
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03:11.27grennonso IsEventRegistered bit the dust too
03:12.30grennonis CallBackHandler supposed to deprecate most use of AceEvent?
03:14.10Bruners_why do the update addon button in the curse client redownload the addon?
03:15.07kenlyric?
03:15.09ArrowmasterBruners_: because thats how you update an addon
03:15.16Arrowmastergrennon: depends on how you use aceevent
03:15.50Bruners_Arrowmaster: but its not really updated if its the same version is it?
03:15.53grennonwell, my mod has a lots of binary options, they are either true or false, on startup, the toggles get loaded via aceconfig
03:16.01ArrowmasterBruners_: i guess not
03:16.03grennonso a option being on might register an event
03:16.15grennondisabling the toggle would then unregister the event
03:16.32Arrowmastergrennon: you would still use aceevent for that
03:16.47Arrowmasterif the events are blizzard events
03:16.53grennoncool
03:16.56Bruners_Arrowmaster: so it should be a message "addon already up to date- do you want to reinstall it" sort of
03:17.32ArrowmasterBruners_: did it give any indication that an update was available?
03:17.49grennonis there a best practice for making my mod actually execute the toggles on startup?
03:17.54syerenKekeke
03:18.01syerenAmerica got shit on at Blizzcon :>
03:18.19Arrowmastergrennon: put a series of checks in your OnEnable?
03:18.19Bruners_Arrowmaster: nope, i misclicked and it redownloaded all my addons
03:18.28ArrowmasterBruners_: all?
03:18.36grennonhrm
03:18.46Arrowmasterhmm that does sound weird if it redownloaded all from a single click
03:18.58Bruners_Arrowmaster: i had them all selected
03:25.10Bruners_the parrot version located on curse dont have embedded libs
03:30.42grennonArrowmaster: right, i forgot to copy over my old pairs/set(true) loops i had for setting my toggles
03:30.55ArrowmasterBruners_: hey your right, somebody fucked up majorly
03:31.04grennonArrowmaster: for some reason i thought those were auto-executed now, must be crack
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03:42.36Bruners_ckknight: the parrot version located on curse dont have embedded libs
03:43.02Arrowmasterckk doesnt maintain parrot anymore
03:43.06Arrowmastersomebody else does
03:43.52Bruners_Arrowmaster: ok, then the info on curse should be changed :)
03:44.04Arrowmasterhe is still the original author
03:44.49Bruners_Arrowmaster: yes, but project manager should be set to the one maintaining it
03:46.05Parnicis there a threat-2.0 or threat-3.0 lib that works in beta/wotlk yet?
03:46.15ArrowmasterParnic: yes
03:46.21Parnicwhereabouts?
03:46.21ArrowmasterParnic: its called the blizzard API
03:46.25Parniclol
03:46.33Parnicok, so ace threat is going away then?
03:46.43Arrowmasterthere was never any 'ace threat'
03:46.54Parnicthe ace'd threat-2.0 library
03:47.02Parnicthat is currently used by any threat-type addon
03:47.02Arrowmasteryou mean threat-2.0
03:47.08Parnicthat's precisely what i mean
03:47.15Parnicthe threat lib that was written in ace. pardon my shorthand ;)
03:47.16Arrowmasterdont call it ace'd
03:47.20Parnicsighs
03:47.33Parnicsemantics aside, there will not be a lib for threat come wotlk, yes?
03:47.41Arrowmastercorrent
03:47.44Arrowmastercorrect
03:47.46Parnicthank you :)
03:51.09Xinhuanthere can be one if someone wants to write one
03:51.16Xinhuanit just isn't really necessary anymore
03:51.47Bruners_is the new threat system good?
03:51.55Xinhuandecent, with some limitations
03:52.04Bruners_how is it displayed?
03:52.15Xinhuanomen displays threat exactly like before
03:52.36Bruners_so its just an api not meter?
03:52.39Xinhuansomething like http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/omen.jpg
03:52.47Xinhuanyes, its just an API consisting of 1 useful function
03:52.51Xinhuanout of 4 functions
03:52.56quiescensfun
03:53.30Xinhuanthe "Losing Threat" is part of blizzard's built in floating damage numbers/text
03:53.59Bruners_is that printed just as you lose it or seconds before ? :P
03:54.12Xinhuanits printed just as you lose it ;p
03:54.35quiescenstaunt!
03:54.38Xinhuanassuming you even turned on the blizzard numbers
03:54.42Xinhuanfor damage text
03:55.08Xinhuanhere, you can see that i had to target (or put the NPC) on focus
03:55.14Xinhuanin order to get its threat on the mob
03:55.54Bruners_this should mean FD threat will be fixed then
03:56.25Xinhuanwell there are 3 major limitations
03:56.58Xinhuan1. You must be in combat with a mob to get threat numbers on it.
03:57.21Xinhuanif your pet (or main tank) is in combat, and you aren't, bad luck. no threat numbers
03:57.45Bruners_that could be solved by sending data through addons channel ?
03:57.52Xinhuanyes, but the goal is no syncing
03:58.02Xinhuansyncing would defeat the purpose of the threat API
03:58.14Arrowmasterand also that wouldnt really solve much
03:58.43Bruners_but if you are not in combat with that mob you dont have any threat on it either?
03:58.46Xinhuan2. You cannot get threat details of stuff that nobody is targetting, and isn't part of your raid
03:59.07Xinhuanthis means if there's 50 mobs and only 6 of them are targetted, you cannot get details on the other 44
03:59.45Xinhuanthis also means you can't get threat details of an NPC on another NPC (read: sathovarr on human kalecgos) unless someone are targetting them both
04:00.32Xinhuan3. threat updates are about once per 1-2 seconds (this is actually faster than omen's throtled syncing transmission speed)
04:01.16Xinhuanin omen2, syncing is done at best once every 1.5 seconds
04:01.25Xinhuanin a 5-man party
04:01.39Xinhuanin a 25-man raid, its increased to about 2.5 seconds
04:01.46Xinhuanto reduce sync traffic
04:02.40Xinhuan(which initially disconnected ppl due to flooding, so compression/decompression was needed, so at the start of patch 2.4, omen2 went thru many iterations of incompatibility)
04:03.21Bruners_i dont get why it would be so hard for blizzard to make that api
04:03.46Xinhuanbandwidth
04:04.14Xinhuanomen was transmitting 600 messages every 2 seconds, you know that?
04:04.30Xinhuan25 people to 24 other people = 25x24 = 600
04:04.46Bruners_i didnt know the exact number but i knew it was huge
04:04.48Xinhuannow add in boss mods, damage meters syncing, and a bunch of other addons
04:05.01Xinhuanon top of that, syncing is received whether you used the addon or not
04:05.18Bruners_but anyway, threat is already broadcasted some way and make it show on screen cant be that much more?
04:05.19Xinhuanmeaning if i sent an addon message, everyone receives it whether they use said addon or not
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04:06.52Xinhuanif you listened in to the wow UI panel, when they design a UI, they are "designing it for the general mass of people" - it has to be simple and easy to use, and not overwhelm a new player with 10000 numbers
04:07.26Xinhuanaddons, on the other hand, are designed with specific goals and needs to suit a specific group of people
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04:11.33ArrowmasterXinhuan: how much you going to pay me for a polar bear?
04:11.44Xinhuanhow much do you want?
04:11.52Arrowmasterwell i was going to ebay one
04:12.11Xinhuanthat's kind of taking advaantage of your friend ;p
04:12.16Xinhuanfor a profit
04:12.18Arrowmasterim poor
04:12.37Xinhuansounds like wowmatrix analogy ;p
04:12.44Xinhuanbut anyway, how much is it/
04:13.06Arrowmasterlike $40 USD + taxes and other stuff probably
04:13.19Xinhuanwouldn't the price already include taxes?
04:13.25Arrowmasterno
04:13.28Xinhuano_O
04:13.30Arrowmasterwe dont work that way around here
04:13.36Bruners_taxes on an in-game code?
04:13.48Arrowmastereverything has added fees
04:13.50Xinhuantaxes on directv x 2 days
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04:14.31Arrowmasterbuy something in a store and its like 6-9% sales tax depending on the state i think, 7% here
04:14.50Xinhuanwow DirectTv is such a ripoff
04:14.51Bruners_they always have total price here
04:14.56Arrowmasterlarge purchases arent fun, they get larger
04:15.03Xinhuan$40 USD for both days right?
04:15.06Arrowmasteryeah
04:15.31Arrowmaster+ a fee if you order through automated phone system
04:15.33Bruners_only on soda cans they show the price before deposit
04:15.39Xinhuanin australia, for the same show, its $15 per day, you can just order one day or the other or both
04:15.45Xinhuanso $30 AUD for both days
04:15.47Arrowmaster+ an even larger fee if you talk to an operator to assist you in ordering it
04:15.57Xinhuanand $30 AUD == about $14 USD
04:16.26Repo10ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets: 03yssaril * r4 / (2 files in 2 directories): delete old file
04:16.27Repoupdate toc
04:17.02XinhuanYssaril, what did you update?
04:17.17XinhuanArrowmaster: http://www.mainevent.com.au/event.asp?id=540
04:17.17YssarilXinhuan: the widgets now take the LSM:HashTable :) and i split each widget into its own file
04:17.22Bruners_how do i upload files to a project? zip it and upload or?
04:17.24Xinhuanits half as cheap lol
04:17.34Xinhuanafter considering the exchange rate, because
04:17.43Xinhuanthe australian dollar plunged
04:18.02Xinhuanits value dropped 30% relative to singapore dollar and about 40% against US dollar
04:18.04Xinhuansad huh
04:18.12Arrowmasterwow
04:18.12quiescensits not quite less than half as xinhuan claims
04:18.14quiescenslol
04:18.19Xinhuanso if i did use LSM.fonts
04:18.23Xinhuani don't have to change anything?
04:18.30quiescensits somewhere between 60 and 70 cents down from 90ish
04:18.43Jazrmmm it's very sad
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04:23.42_Yssaril_Xinhuan: you can still use AceGUIWidgetLSMlists but it just points to the HashTables
04:25.10Xinhuanso
04:25.10Xinhuantype = "select", dialogControl = 'LSM30_Font',
04:25.14Xinhuanvalues = AceGUIWidgetLSMlists.font,
04:25.17Xinhuanwill still work fine yeah?
04:25.22_Yssaril_yep
04:25.27Xinhuanbtw, your library is nto LoD
04:25.34Xinhuanit fails on patch 3.0 because
04:25.46Xinhuanit dosen't force load LibSharedMedia-3.0 as that one is LoD
04:26.17Xinhuanthere's a new [bug or feature?] in patch 3.0 where a LoD addon will no longer load whether its optdepped or reqdepped
04:26.24Xinhuanand the only way to load it is via LoadAddOn()
04:26.36Xinhuanthis actually means that all Ace2 addons will continue to work
04:26.37_Yssaril_so whats the point of LoD then?
04:26.51Xinhuanbecause AceLibrary-2.0 uses LoadAddOn() to force used library to load
04:26.58Xinhuanbut all ace3 and rock addons will fail if disembedded
04:27.16Xinhuanwell right now, LSM is LoD
04:27.23Xinhuanyour lib uses LSM and is not LoD
04:27.39Xinhuanso your lib will load, LSM won't, and thus throw a LibStub error about library not found on line 5
04:27.43_Yssaril_so make it LoD and force LSM?
04:27.54Xinhuanthere are 3 solutions
04:27.59Xinhuanor rather, workarounds
04:28.07Xinhuanworkaround 1: make all libs NON-LoD
04:28.12Xinhuanwhich includes LSM
04:28.13Arrowmasterwell yours is a lib anyway right so it should be LoD
04:28.28Arrowmasterwell unless we use that workaround
04:28.42Xinhuanworkaround 2: makes ALL LIBS LOD - and the addon that uses them must use LoadAddOn() on them at the start of their first file to force load them all
04:29.08Xinhuanso your lib must be LoD and include at the start on line 1 LoadAddOn("LibSharedMedia-3.0")
04:29.21Xinhuanand in my addon, i would load everything with LoadAddOn()
04:29.43Xinhuanworkaround 3: embed libraries
04:30.24Xinhuanthe problem here is Omen is not LoD, your lib is not LoD, wow decides to load your lib first (because it starts with A)
04:30.33Xinhuandoesn't load lsm3
04:32.14_Yssaril_since all libs are currently LOD i'll go that way unless the convention changes
04:34.52Repo10ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets: 03yssaril * r5 / (2 files in 2 directories): update toc to be LoD
04:34.53Repoforce load LibSharedMedia-3.0 to make sure LSM is running first in WOTLK
04:35.48Xinhuan@project ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets
04:35.49RepoXinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets/. AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets. Game: WoW. Leader: yssaril. Updated: 45 seconds ago. Tickets: 1/1
04:37.40Xinhuandid you split it up into 5 widget files?
04:37.46_Yssaril_Xinhuan: yes
04:37.57Xinhuanwas that necessary?
04:38.14_Yssaril_made it alot less confusing to edit each widget
04:38.40_Yssaril_actually its 6 files there are some functions shared between widgets
04:38.55Xinhuanwhat's with that
04:38.56XinhuanWWWWW = Media
04:39.12Xinhuanon line 7
04:39.49Xinhuanyour line11 blanktable is also unused
04:39.59_Yssaril_damnit i forgot to take that out
04:40.31Repo10ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets: 03yssaril * r6 AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets/SharedFunctions.lua: remove leftover stuff
04:40.44grennonso, with .pkgmeta setup properly, can i remove the svn:externals properties ? or do those just get updated/created from .pkgmeta?
04:41.18_Yssaril_grennon: you shouldn't use externals .pkmeta is the way to go
04:41.19Bruners_how long would it normally take to get a project approved?
04:41.23Xinhuanyes, you can remove it grennon
04:41.32Xinhuanyou should also remove embeds.xml
04:41.43Xinhuanand just put all those things in embeds.xml directly into the TOC
04:41.51_Yssaril_Bruners_: whenever someone of the staff gets to it with BlizzCon idk how may are left
04:41.59Xinhuanuse
04:42.00Xinhuan#@no-lib-strip@
04:42.03Xinhuan#@end-no-lib-strip@
04:42.18Xinhuanand put all the libs in between those 2 lines that you want for a embedded version
04:42.25Xinhuanlike
04:42.26XinhuanLibs\LibStub\LibStub.lua
04:42.26XinhuanLibs\CallbackHandler-1.0\CallbackHandler-1.0.xml
04:43.09grennonbrb
04:43.10Xinhuanthe packager will strip everything between those 2 lines in the TOC for a nolib zip
04:43.38Xinhuan_Yssaril_, you have a beta key yeah?
04:43.57_Yssaril_Xinhuan: yea widgets should work there
04:44.33Xinhuanoh you don't use libstub in your library, so it has no versioning ;p
04:45.01_Yssaril_Xinhuan: no need since acegui versions each widget
04:45.09Xinhuanthat's true
04:45.43Xinhuancan you download omen3 and see if you think it works ok? ;p
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04:46.49Yssarilpulling from wrath clone fine?
04:47.11Xinhuanhttp://www.wowace.com/projects/omen-threat-meter/repositories/wrath/files/
04:47.45Xinhuanyou should be fine with the nolib version, if you have ace3, LSM3 and AceGUIsmwisgets
04:48.09grennonlets see, interface version of 30200 should work for patch next week, right?
04:48.29Xinhuanno grennon, its just 30000
04:48.49Xinhuan30200 would imply patch 3.2.0, not patch 3.0.2
04:52.15YssarilXinhuan: works like a charm maybe enable to set the header to differnt background/border from the body?
04:53.25Xinhuanfairly trivial to do that, but is it necessary? ;p
04:53.56Yssarilwould be nice imo set it apart a bit
04:58.23YssarilXinhuan: shouldn't the header truncate if the window is too small for it? same with the bar text right now it just overlaps
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04:59.07Xinhuanright now, the text sizes has no relation with the height of the bar
04:59.31Xinhuanas for strings that it tries to display that are too long... i'll add some stuff soon
04:59.41Xinhuani didn't do it yet because i need to add a 3rd column for TPS
05:00.05Yssarilk looks really nice so for
05:00.05Xinhuanand that is tricky at best
05:00.11Xinhuanto make it look like omen2
05:00.21Xinhuanchange the background to "gametooltip"
05:00.32Xinhuanthen change the "color of background" and change the hue to 0
05:00.45Xinhuanthen change the border color to blue
05:00.55Xinhuanand the border to "gametooltip" as well
05:01.23Xinhuanthen it'll look like omen2 ;p
05:01.39Yssarilyou may wanna set that as default :)
05:02.17Xinhuani don't really want it to look like omen2 straight off the bat
05:02.52Yssarilunderstandable :)
05:02.53grennonhrm
05:03.19grennonanyone using tortoisesvn with the new svn+ssh?
05:03.25YssarilXinhuan: i noticed you added some sounds are they used anywhere yet?
05:03.45Xinhuanno
05:03.59Xinhuanthose are the same ones added by omen2
05:04.08Xinhuani added a "you will die!" for giggles
05:04.16Yssarilsaw that :)
05:04.34Yssarilshould be default for dps classes when they pull agro imo
05:04.53Xinhuanit'll be a problem if ppl are in naxx
05:04.56Xinhuani mean doing aq40
05:05.09Yssarilhow many still do?
05:05.12grennonim not even sure how to tell the svn client to use ssh as its transport to try to connect to the server
05:05.19Xinhuanppl would, for the achievement to kill cthun
05:05.32Xinhuanor for rep
05:06.47Yssarilic
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05:18.04Arrowmasterhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&postId=109709349352&sid=1#146
05:18.06Arrowmasterso fun
05:19.25Arrowmasterand evil
05:19.36Arrowmastergoing to get hell for that one
05:22.30YssarilArrowmaster: rofl
05:24.07YssarilArrowmaster: though you didn't explicitly say that you dont like those being updated through wowmatrix
05:24.33Arrowmasteri quoted him so i think its enough
05:24.39Repo10minimalist: 03grennon * r69 / (6 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 2 lines)
05:24.39RepoMinimalist: -
05:24.40RepoAce2->Ace3
05:24.42RepoRemoved Embeds.xml
05:24.46RepoFixed Abacus in pkgmeta
05:24.46Arrowmasterill spell it out if he brings it up
05:25.10Randomapple jacks and lemonade isnt quite a good combination
05:25.38Repo10raid-cooldowns: 03tsigo * r7 Cooldowns.lua:
05:25.38RepoRaidCooldowns: Update Divine Shield spell ID to be compatible with 3.0.
05:25.41grennonthat conversion wasnt so bad
05:25.57grennonconsidering i had weird aceoptions tables feeding dewdrop before
05:26.28Arrowmasterthe problem is that i legally cant request wowmatrix to remove most of the stuff ive contributed to because they are under open source licences
05:27.51grennonwait, if you remove svn:externals, then you can't do a normal svn export and get the externals to double check your pathing and such, right?
05:28.33Arrowmastergrennon: right, you can setup your svn:externals to mirror your .pkgmeta though
05:28.58grennonoh?
05:29.51Arrowmasterjust copy them from the pkgmeta, remove the leading spaces and the ':' after the path and set it as the svn:externals on trunk
05:30.52Bruners_but why dont they just add the author blablabla to their page like any other addon page are doing
05:31.26Xinhuanwhy don't you email them and ask Bruners_
05:31.28Xinhuan:)
05:32.15Bruners_Xinhuan: i dont care enough, and i dont see any advertising on their page anyway :P
05:32.34Xinhuanlol Arrowmaster ;p
05:33.04Arrowmasteri have a felling he is going to object and say it doesnt count because i didnt 'write' them
05:33.12Xinhuanwhat liscense is Ace2 under?
05:33.21ArrowmasterLGPL2
05:33.27grennonlicense to kill?
05:33.32Arrowmasterexcept AceOO-2.0 which is MIT
05:33.37Xinhuanthat makes it legal to distribute as long as source code is given yeah?
05:33.41Arrowmasteryeah
05:33.57grennoncan you distribute ace2 without the source somehow? :-)
05:34.03Yssarilwhy is AceOO under MIT?
05:34.06Arrowmasteralthough Ace2 isnt even on wowmatrix
05:34.13Arrowmasteror atleast not on the website
05:34.19ZhinjioGood evening, worthies.
05:34.26Xinhuanbecause Ace2 isn't an addon per-se
05:34.55ArrowmasterYssaril: because it was considered a much more general OO emplimentation in Lua which could be easyly used for things outside of WoW
05:35.08Yssarilahh
05:35.10ArrowmasterXinhuan: Ace is though
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05:35.21Arrowmasterbut its an addon too
05:35.46Arrowmasteri think Ace officially dies with patch 3.0
05:36.13Arrowmasterunless it already did and i didnt get the memo
05:36.17Yssarilthere are things that still run on Ace and work?
05:36.50Arrowmasterif kc_items still works and kaelten never released the ace2 port then yeah
05:37.07Arrowmasterit was the reason kaelten even updated Ace for TBC
05:37.18Yssarilahh
05:38.31grennonhow do we claim a mod that didnt get auto-assigned during the switchover? i need to slap my name on AutoTurnin
05:38.41Xinhuangrennon: ask Arrowmaster
05:38.44Arrowmastergrennon: link me
05:38.50Arrowmasteri dont do searches
05:38.58grennonhttp://www.wowace.com/projects/auto-turnin/
05:39.13Arrowmastercurse account name grennon?
05:39.38grennonyes
05:39.43Arrowmasteralready done
05:39.59grennondanke
05:40.12Arrowmasternp mr smith
05:40.33Arrowmasterif that is your real name...
05:41.01grennonlets keep it professional, just call me Agent Smith
05:42.32Bruners_any blizzcon vidoes i should see?
05:42.41liquidzooAre you the Agent Smith that I got a telemarketing call for the other day?
05:42.42liquidzoolol
05:43.56grennonno, im just an unfortunate person who was hired the same day as a Mr. Anderson who sits in the cube next to me
05:44.06grennonand thus nicknamed Agent Smith
05:44.18Arrowmasterlol
05:44.21liquidzoolol
05:44.41liquidzooI nearly laughed out loud at the telemarketer when he asked for Agent Smith.
05:52.00kadrahil~purl should i go to get beer at 1am?
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06:01.24Xinhuandamn died again
06:01.28Xinhuani'm all broken red now in beta lol
06:02.29Repo10minimalist: 03grennon * r70 / (3 files in 1 directory): Minimalist:
06:02.29RepoI need CallbackHandler
06:02.30RepoI still need externals
06:03.40Xinhuanno you don't ;p
06:03.47XinhuanCBH and Libstub are currently forcefully packaged
06:03.55Xinhuaneven in the nolib version
06:04.51Xinhuanbut in the no-lib version, you would assume that the standalone libs have already loaded CBH and Libstub
06:04.56Xinhuanso you don't need to load them yourselves
06:05.10Xinhuankind of a big catch-22
06:05.35Xinhuanwinks at grennon. O_-
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06:06.17grennonwell, i stripped all mods from my beta copy
06:06.20Xinhuanalso note this issue grennon: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971929880&sid=1
06:06.30Xinhuanif your addon uses any LoD libraries
06:06.30grennonand installed the version off curse
06:06.45grennonit plain didnt bundle callbackhandler
06:06.53Xinhuanyou need to use LoadAddOn() on ALL those standalone lod libs at the top of your
06:06.58Xinhuanfirst file
06:07.05Xinhuanbefore you use :NewAddon()
06:08.17grennoni forgot to add libstub to the deps anyway
06:08.21grennonso it wasnt loading anyhow
06:08.23grennonheh
06:12.24Repo10minimalist: 03grennon * r71 : Minimalist:
06:12.25RepoFix tiny issue with external call
06:13.55Arrowmastergrennon: use the addresses listed on http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=84
06:14.15Arrowmasterand libstub and callbackhandler will always be included in you zips, even the nolib one
06:15.39grennonthe one generated from my first checking tonight only had stub
06:18.43Repo10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.15b-3-gd5e93c6 Mounted.lua: [+2 commits]
06:18.44Repod5e93c6: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.wowace.com:wow/mounted/mainline
06:18.45Repo75b0cb5: made 100% sure that macros will not be changed during combat
06:19.13backbone87someone knows a convenient addon for performance tracking?
06:19.19grennonare the leading spaces in .pkgmeta anything other than cosmetic?
06:19.26Arrowmastergrennon: yes
06:19.40Arrowmasterthey are part of the yaml format
06:20.07Yssarilgrennon: you can also use leading tabs
06:20.38Arrowmasterno
06:20.45Arrowmasterwell yes but no
06:21.11Yssarilhmm always worked for me
06:21.41Arrowmasteryou arent suppost to use tabs as that makes it not valid yaml anymore, but they did add some code to the script that converts leading tabs to spaces before it tries to parse it as yaml
06:22.13Yssarilahh
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06:28.39RepoAnother whack at normalized externals
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06:40.34RepoApparently I need AceGUI
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06:48.16grennonXinhuan: uh, so that issue was affecting mods that have embedded libs in their own file tree?
06:48.29Xinhuanwhich one?
06:48.43Xinhuani'm not following your train of thought
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06:49.29grennonim testing an empty beta folder with just my mod in it, with its deps installed underneath
06:49.41grennonso would i run into the loadondemand problem there?
06:49.45Xinhuanno
06:49.55Xinhuanwait, what do you mean
06:49.56Xinhuanby
06:50.01Xinhuan"with its deps installed underneath"
06:50.05Xinhuansounds vague to me
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06:50.08grennonFoo/Libs
06:50.13Xinhuanyou're fine
06:50.21Xinhuanrefer http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=241860#post241860
06:50.29Xinhuanif you need to see exactly what the problem is
06:50.30grennonthen damn, ive got something else weird going on thats not affecting my live install
06:52.46grennoni set self.db to a libstub of acedb in oninitialize, and then when i try accessing self.db in onenable it thinks its nil
06:52.58grennonno problem on live, just beta
06:53.49Xinhuandid you use the correct variable?
06:53.57Xinhuandid you supply a defaults table?
06:54.41Xinhuandid you use LoadAddOn() after declaring :NewAddOn() ?
06:54.48Xinhuanall of these will break acedb
06:55.31YssarilXinhuan: btw did blizzard say anything about the LoD change?
06:55.36Xinhuanno
06:55.45grennondont use loadaddon period
06:57.59grennontuesday is going to be fun
06:58.18grennonmaybe the problem will reveal itself over breakfast tomorrow, night
06:59.33Xinhuanonly way around not using LoadAddOn() is to embed libraries
06:59.39XinhuanOR make all libs non-lod
07:02.20Xinhuani wonder how much it will cost to buy an inflatable frostmourne on ebay
07:02.22Xinhuan:D
07:04.32Xinhuanok that was a really random thought lol
07:05.11AeyanBut what about the bubble hearthing paladin?
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07:20.25backbone87Xinhuan: why dont modify libstub so that it loads needed libs/addons
07:20.49Xinhuani'm not one of the 6 authors that wrote libstub
07:21.16backbone87or any other container
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07:22.43Yssarilshould be put into aceaddon imo since libstub just versions the libs basically
07:23.32backbone87didnt solve the "lib requires lib" problem
07:23.42Yssarilnm libstub might be better (need sleep)
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08:11.19sylvanaarnoone has said anything for an hour
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08:12.12Zyndromenobody said they like you either
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08:25.32ZyndromeIT'S RAGE TIME
08:25.33Zyndromehttp://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1YpYswGtg5s
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08:36.11Bruners_i got my project approved on curseforge, now what?
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08:42.01TrelaUpload files!
08:42.26Bruners_did that
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08:52.23Arrowmasterget files approved!
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08:53.11Bruners_i guess im missing something important
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09:29.48Repo10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 04v6.0.2 Release * r111 : Tagging as v6.0.2 Release.
09:29.50RepoFix frFR...
09:29.54Repo10closet-gnome_banker: 03Rabbit * r61 Banker.lua: Make sure we really retrieve all sets from the bank.
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09:30.54ThiefMasterumm this new curse updater is crap...
09:31.01ThiefMasterit doesn't show most of my installed addons..
09:31.44Gnarfozbecause it doesn't detect them. it remembers what it itself installed. basically this means, if you want to manage your addons with it, reinstall them through CC
09:31.45Bruners_working as intended here after i removed everything and installed with the client
09:31.58ThiefMasterthat's pretty big bs :x
09:32.08ThiefMasteri wonder why WAU isn't maintained anymore.. was much nicer
09:32.25Gnarfozwho says anything about maintained?
09:32.28Gnarfozthe back-end is gone.
09:32.34ThiefMasterthat's what i mean
09:33.11vhaarrperhaps you should read the forums then, do a bit of research
09:33.16Gnarfozwell, unless you want to pay for 40TB of bandwith (or more) each month, this was something that had to be done ;>
09:33.18vhaarrit has been answered approximately 361 times
09:33.33ThiefMasteris it at least possible to use external libs with the curse updater?
09:33.42Bruners_not yet
09:33.43Gnarfoznot yet
09:34.08ThiefMastergreat.. tons of duplicate stuff
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09:34.43Gnarfozyeah, on your disk. the only thing this means is longer login times =)
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09:35.58Arrowmasterits coming soon
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09:38.01Bruners_if a lib is already loaded at the first addon will it be reloaded 10 times if its 10 more addons that use it?
09:39.10GnarfozBruners_: err
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09:39.21Bruners_or would the last addon with an old version write over the first addons libs?
09:40.14Gnarfozobviously every file in your addon dir will get loaded, that also means if you have 10 addons that use lib-example-1.0 then it will get loaded 10 times. but there's "smart" code involved that will make sure that the superfluous 9 copies will get garbage collected at the next GC interval
09:40.31Gnarfoz(that is, if all lib versions are identical. if not, the most up to date one will stay in memory)
09:40.41ThiefMasteranyone knows if there's a hacked curse updater version which doesn't have this stupid 4 second ad window?
09:40.46Bruners_that was my question :)
09:40.57dafirehey... why don't we set LibStub as "AddonLoader" ... this will make libraries LoD automaticly if LibStub is disembeded.
09:40.57ThiefMasterthe ads in wau were ok.. but waiting for EVERY SINGLE ADDON is just bs
09:41.09GnarfozThiefMaster: curse premium ftw? ;p
09:41.17ThiefMasterpaying for addons? no thx
09:41.31Bruners_you are not paying for addons
09:41.33Gnarfozdafire: uhm that was something acelibrary did.
09:41.36syerenFrom what I have read, the actual curse client itself isn't worth paying for to begin with Gnarfoz :P
09:41.40GnarfozThiefMaster: then wait for the ads. :p
09:41.40Bruners_but paying for using the updater to update your addons
09:41.42dafireGnarfoz: no.. it did not
09:41.49Gnarfozdafire: yes, it did...
09:42.08dafireGnarfoz: no .. it loaded lod addons. but it was not an addonloader technically
09:42.28Gnarfozit loaded necessary libraries.
09:42.43Gnarfozwhich is *exactly* what you were saying, sans the technical background of marking it as an addon loader.
09:43.27dafireGnarfoz: no.. since without acelibrary the library were not loaded automaticly
09:43.43Gnarfozso? without LibStub, the same would happen.
09:43.49dafireno..
09:43.56Gnarfoz=[
09:44.04Gnarfozseriously, it's a bad idea. :P
09:44.07dafirecheck was "AddonLoader" in toc does
09:44.17dafirethen we can speak again
09:44.23Bruners_ThiefMaster: but, isnt the premium stuff open for all at the moment?
09:44.37ThiefMasterno idea, at least i get ads when installing an addon
09:44.52dafirei think the free premium is over
09:45.05Bruners_im not and i installed the client yesterday
09:46.42ThiefMasternot sure about this auto update stuff.. even witouh premium - can i still update all addons manually with a single click?
09:47.14silentiumis that curse updater still unable to install noext versions? I dont wanna have to redownload 10 addons just because one lib changes, I prefer just loading that one new lib version
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09:47.37syerenKeke
09:48.00syerenCan't wait until next Tuesday / Wednesday when Curse will have to put up with a headache from everyone telling them how shit their client is.
09:48.01syeren:>
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09:49.07ThiefMasteragreed
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09:49.45ThiefMasterthey should simply continue WAU and show ads from curse there..
09:51.43Bruners_or just let them finish the curseclient and make everyone happy
09:54.31sb*sigh* i want FigurePrints to be available in germany :/
09:54.32Adirellesilentium: not standalone lib yet, but the addons *are not* packaged again when a library changed
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09:55.53Adirelledafire: having "## AddonLoader: addonA" in addonB toc just means addonA is responsible for loading addonB with LoadAddOn. if addonB does not do it, addonA won't ever be loaded
09:56.18dafiresure ..
09:56.27GnarfozAdirelle: thanks, I was waiting for him to notice :p
09:57.46vhaarrI'm getting reports from my guild of people having problems with the background downloader, it gets stuck at some point and then says "There were multiple problems saving data.", anyone else experiencing the same thing?
09:57.46Adirelleso adding LibStub as an AddonLoader of all libraries is almost the same as adding "LoadOnDemand: 1", given LibStub is present
09:58.03vhaarrhappens for me as well
09:58.15nevcairielvhaarr: i had it stuck on some point downloading stuff, and then discarding the data because checksum seems invalid *shrug
09:59.02vhaarrnevcairiel: mine just continues downloading from http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/WoW/ (from the "Connection info" dialog)
09:59.04vhaarrat 32kb/s
09:59.12vhaarrhas been the same for hours and hours now
09:59.16vhaarrand it never gets anywhere
09:59.20nevcairielyeah mine downloads too
09:59.25nevcairielbut the progress doesnt increase
09:59.35nevcairiel==> its throwing the data away
09:59.37vhaarrindeed
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10:00.03vhaarrso I'm at loss as to what I should do, I've tried restarting it already, had no effect
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10:00.33vhaarrerm wtf
10:00.41digmouseg'morning
10:00.43nevcairieljust wait until blizz fixes it, i guess
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10:00.59Adirellehave you tried a 3rd-party torrent client ?
10:01.08vhaarrit's downloading from "http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/WoW/WoW-2.4.3-to-3.0.2/WoW-2.4.3-to-3.0.2-TBC-EU-OSX-Stage3.pieces"
10:01.12vhaarrnote the "OSX" part
10:01.14sbvhaarr: stuck at 99%?
10:01.17vhaarrI'm on linux
10:01.21vhaarr95%, actually
10:01.30sbmhh, its 99% for me... (windows)
10:01.43sbseens to be some EU-only problem :O
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10:02.11vhaarrjust hope I won't have to download the whole thing again, my connection is pretty slow :p
10:02.34GnarfozI d/l'd the torrents manually, put them where they belong, started the bg downloader, got that error once
10:02.42Gnarfozrestarted it, and it showed 'finished' that time
10:03.00silentiumI've just started the background downloader for a sec to get the latest .torrent file which I've then loaded into µtorrent to dl the files at max speed *shrug*
10:04.07ThiefMasterhm just read that you get premium for free as an author.. where do you have to claim ownershion on your addons and where do you request that free premium access?
10:04.28silentiumif you started the download with the blizz client and want to switch to a regular BT client now, make sure to rename the files and remove the ".part" thing first so you dont need to redownload everything
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10:05.16vhaarrnah I'll just let it run
10:07.14Xinhuangood bye friends, i'm going out :)
10:07.30Stanzillathat can't be true
10:07.39Xinhuanstabs Stanzilla with a pillow
10:07.42StanzillaXinhuan is faking real life :P
10:08.20digmouseotacon
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10:10.53digmouse3.0 goes live on 14 confirmed?
10:11.19Gnarfozit's pretty obvious. however, as usual, there are no confirmations. :>
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10:15.56Bruners_how do i get my project published on curse.com ?
10:17.22backbone87tag it to a beta/release
10:18.04backbone87and of course set up .pkgmeta properly
10:18.07Matrix110is there a .torrent for the Blizzcon stuff yet I cant find one :-(
10:18.27backbone87there are faq's on wowace/curse how to do that
10:19.34ThiefMasterwhich fubar plucins should i use? the "fubar - xxx" ones or the "fubar_xxx" ones? (same xxx, so i guess one is the imported ace version and one was already on curse?)
10:19.38ThiefMaster*plugins
10:20.26backbone87hmm check the version tags, if it's the same it should not matter, which you choose
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10:21.02Bruners_backbone87: do i need a .pkgmeta file?
10:22.25ThiefMasterah.. the fubar - xxx seem to be extremely outdated
10:23.14backbone87Bruners_: dont know... but if it is optional, having one is definitely better to have one, because you can give the packager some handy instructions
10:23.28backbone87like ignores/externals/renames
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10:24.27Bruners_backbone87: dont need any of that really
10:25.13AdirelleBruners_: you may still need to name the Addon directory ("package-as" entry)
10:25.22backbone87http://www.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/pkgmeta-file/
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10:26.01Adirellee.g. if your project shortname is "do-something" but the addon real name is "DoSomething" you have to add "package-as: DoSomething" in .pkgmeta
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10:26.54backbone87it have to be said that this only renames the folder in the zip file, not the zip file (the "package") itself
10:27.34Adirelleactually, if your TOC file is DoSomething.toc and the folder is "do-something", you're doomed, whatever the zip filename is
10:28.07Bruners_they are all got the same name both folder and toc
10:28.30Adirelle(and BTW, I'd bet package-as does rename the zpifile)
10:28.55backbone87so you have something like .../trunk/MyAddon/ ?
10:29.33Bruners_yes, uploaded it with svn
10:29.48backbone87then you have to use the .pkgmeta
10:29.54backbone87i think
10:29.59backbone87dont really know
10:30.08Bruners_make it and upload it like the others then ?
10:30.08Adirellewait
10:30.31AdirelleBruners_: what's you project ?
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10:31.15Bruners_http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cc-gloss/
10:31.25backbone87as far as i unterstand it, the whole trunk is packaged into the zip unless you specify it in another way in the .pkgmeta
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10:32.32backbone87ok you do not have .../trunk/MyAddon/...
10:32.55backbone87only /trunk/... so it dont have to be moved, when packaging
10:33.54backbone87package-as: Monkey
10:34.14backbone87where monkey is your tocs filename
10:34.39backbone87put this in the .pkgmeta file and put in the trunk folder, and all should be fine
10:34.56Adirelleactually it seems that the packager is rather smart
10:35.33AdirelleI think it looks for the .toc file to get the default package name
10:36.13Adirellesince cc-gloss doesn't have any .pkgmeta, is named cc-gloss and is still packaged with the right name
10:36.27Bruners_stupid windows and its file names
10:36.31nevcairielAdirelle: you can set the package name on the CF website too
10:36.41Adirellenevcairiel: right
10:36.54Bruners_ok, what should i be doing then ?
10:36.54Adirelleso maybe the packager isn't so smart :p
10:38.03Bruners_is there a way to rename dir to ls ? :P
10:38.20Adirellenot on windows
10:39.18Gnarfozsince dir is not a program...
10:40.11Bruners_ok uploaded the .pkgmeta now
10:40.34[SW]DodgeBruners_: create a ls.bat with "dir" in it in one of the folders that are in PATH
10:41.03[SW]Dodgelike c:\windows\system32
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10:41.50Gnarfozor just install ls!
10:41.58Gnarfozit's not like GnuWin32 doesn't exist
10:42.07backbone87Bruners_: you tagged it allready as v1.0
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10:42.40backbone87without the .pkgmeta, so this change will take an effect only when you tag next time
10:43.08Bruners_so tag it one more as 1.1! or w/e ?
10:43.40dafire[SW]Dodge: shouldn "alias dir=ls"
10:43.45dafire'be easier ?
10:44.04Repo10closet-gnome_tooltip: 03Rabbit * r43 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update to work with the latest CG.
10:44.05[SW]Dodgedafire: windows commandline support alias?
10:44.41dafirehmm
10:44.57dafirei don't know and i don't have windows booted right now to check .9
10:45.05[SW]Dodgehrhr
10:45.21[SW]DodgeDer Befehl "alias" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
10:45.24[SW]Dodgeno alias :)
10:45.31Stanzillahttp://www.ripten.com/2008/10/10/wow-whore-has-36-accounts-raids-by-himself/
10:45.31Bruners_backbone87: it is now tagged again
10:45.32Stanzilla:O
10:45.35dafirebut with the bat thing he can't use command line parameters..
10:45.40backbone87Bruners_: so just wait
10:45.50backbone87the packager needs a few minutes
10:45.50dafireshould be "dir %1 %2 %3" or something like that
10:45.57backbone87around 30 ;)
10:46.22[SW]Dodgedafire: he just asked for dir to ls not command lines ^^
10:47.06Bruners_it was not really a question, just me being annoyed over always typing ls
10:48.26Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r14 / (5 files in 4 directories): Fix a few embedded library problems.
10:51.02AdirelleBruners_: do not ask such question on this channel :p
10:51.21[SW]DodgeStanzilla: wtf
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10:56.41sylvanaar583k for Prat, 780k for Prat_Libraries - yay'z
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10:59.34TrelaI post a new AddOn and get more downloads on it in a day than my older well established one.  X3
11:00.34[dRaCo]what's it do?
11:00.41Trelahttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cleanminimap.aspx
11:00.49Fisker-old news is old Stanzilla
11:01.31TrelaI realize there is a fatal flaw in it now, but I can fix that.
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11:02.55Bruners_how much hit is ok for doing kara as rogue?
11:03.20[dRaCo]as much as you can get if you're combat
11:03.46[dRaCo]well, you should have capped your styles before you go there
11:03.49TrelaI have 217 hit as a bad rogue going into Karazhan.  It really helps.
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11:06.32sylvanaarneed a "non-nolib-strip"
11:08.06Repo10visualheal: 03xbeeps 047.1 * r7 : Tagging as 7.1.
11:09.27TrelaI need to make FubarPlugin 3.0 hidewithoutstandby for my CleanMinimap, but it does not show up in the Rock options.  I can not find it in the LUA either.  @.x
11:09.34krkaTrela: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that :(
11:09.45TrelaLUA
11:10.08StanzillaL.U.A.
11:10.29TrelaLunatics Using Assembly
11:11.08MikkLua <- "Moon" in Portugese
11:11.43Stanzillawe know, mikk :P
11:11.54MikkOh, I know a lot of people know already
11:11.58MikkObviously not everyone ;)
11:12.29Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r15 Prat-3.0.toc: Test the no-lib-strip stuff
11:12.37Bruners_pugging kara with total randoms, this is going to be GREAT
11:14.26Stanzillathat's funny, someone used my email and his home address to sign up on itunes
11:14.34Stanzillaand is buying all the free songs now
11:14.38Stanzillaand I get the confirmation mails
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11:16.38Camci[13:14] <Stanzilla> and is buying all the free songs now
11:16.50Camcibuying and free - make no sense
11:16.52Camci:p
11:17.17Stanzillameh
11:17.22Stanzilla"ordering"
11:17.24Stanzillawhat ever :P
11:17.29Fisker-Stanzilla makes no sense ;_;
11:17.37StanzillaFisker-: your mum makes no sense :O
11:17.41Camci>_>
11:17.43Camci<_<
11:18.24Fisker-i'm making sense all over your mom
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11:19.38Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r16 addon/addon.lua: project revision test
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11:35.02Bruners_kek, raid leader is a bm hunter without serpent swiftness, ferocious inspiration and beast within
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11:47.34Repo10cleanminimap: 03Azxiana * r11 / (3 files in 2 directories): Fixed ability to hide minimap icon.
11:47.35RepoAdded independent scaling for icons.
11:49.04Trelaloves on Repo man.
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11:49.39Repo10cleanminimap: 03Azxiana 041.1 Release * r13 : Tagging as 1.1 Release.
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11:58.01TrelaDoes any one know if Curse.com is purposely delayed updating files and images from WoWAce.com?
11:58.21nevcairielits probably broken again
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11:59.38TrelaI know some times it takes a couple minutes, but I was not sure how the system actually worked.
12:00.36Repo10fubar_factionsfu: 03Swix * r76 / (2 files in 2 directories): Added ruRU locale
12:01.44Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r17 / (4 files in 2 directories): set some more defaults
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12:02.20Adirelleto who had trouble with predownload : there is no issue when using a 3rd-party torrent client
12:03.18[dRaCo]and using one is faster anyway
12:03.28Gnarfoznot really, depending on your connection.
12:03.49Adirelleon a fast connection it is
12:04.09Adirellethe background download is that, "background", so it thruttle connection down
12:04.27Fisker-So they still haven't fixed a simple error? >:3
12:04.28Fisker-gj etc.
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12:26.19backbone87Ace options tables: can a text be applied to the "header"-type? (via name?)
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12:28.58SunTsuNot that CurseClient is running for me at all, but: Is there no way to turn off toon and item information upload?
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12:29.38Fisker-Can't you just uninstall the curse profiler?
12:30.31SunTsuFisker-: As I said, I can't use it anyways, was just reading the Instructions out of curiosity
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12:32.07GnarfozFisker-: no, it seems to upload .wdb regardless.
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12:36.53Fisker-kills Gnarfoz
12:37.01Bruners_backbone87: still nothing :S
12:37.02Gnarfozdies
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12:38.04SunTsuwatches with popcorn
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12:40.35ramozanyone got a link for the predownloader (part 2)?
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12:40.50nevcairielLauncher.exe in your wow dir? :)
12:41.00ramozkeeps stalling
12:41.10ramozi meant the torrent :O
12:41.34Gnarfozuhm the downloader .torrent is in your wow dir, too.
12:41.50Zyndromehttp://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors
12:41.51bien|in the cache folder
12:41.51Gnarfozalso, http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ as usual =)
12:41.52Zyndromekthxbai
12:41.58ramozah
12:42.05ramozthanks Gnarfoz and bien
12:42.48bien|uhm...btw anyone here is using jwowupdater?
12:42.57backbone87Bruners_: maybe curse is hanging around dunno, your project looks fine
12:43.28Zhinjiog'morning worthies
12:43.33ramozbien|: i did until the move
12:43.33SunTsubien|: I used to
12:44.08Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r18 / (5 files in 3 directories): Put the WIM compatibility stuff into one place
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12:45.48SunTsubien|: Was your question for statistic reasons only? ;)
12:45.51bien|so for now the jwowupdater is useless, since the move?!
12:45.53bien|no
12:46.11backbone87question: can i display a tree group and tab group "parallel", e.g. if i click a node on the tree, i want to see a tabbed pane in the content area, but the node contains other subnodes
12:46.18SunTsubien|: No, not at all. You can just use it to get the stuff from curse
12:46.25bien|how?!
12:46.25Repo10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 07beta * r95 / (3 files in 1 directory): RaidBuffStatus:
12:46.26Repo- Added talent report for Circle of Healing talent.
12:46.44bien|i dont find any ids for the addons... :(
12:46.45SunTsubien|: Add all your addons as NonWoWAce Addons with curse's site id
12:46.55ramozwhich is a pain in the ass
12:46.57SunTsubien|: It's the project name now
12:47.08SunTsuramoz: Yeah, but that was not the question
12:47.48SunTsuCould be better, right, rolfba is busy right now and will after his thesis start JWU2
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12:48.02bien|ah, okay, so i write the name: Ace3 and as id Ace3 ?
12:48.08bien|and add it?
12:48.17ramozno
12:48.22bien|._.
12:48.26SunTsubien|: Just look up the project on curse and add it with the name from the url
12:48.38ramozhttp://fambagge.dk/jwu/guide.html
12:48.49SunTsu.o0( And yeah, that's quite a hassle )
12:49.21SunTsuramoz: That's out of date, the id is the project name now
12:49.28ramozok
12:50.02bien|one mom i'll try it :)
12:50.07SunTsuhttp://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=238494&postcount=812
12:50.38Stanzillahttp://de.rofl.to/david-blaine-street-magic-part-2 < best
12:50.40Stanzillahaha
12:51.35bien|thank you SunTsu :)
12:52.54SunTsubien|: you're welcome
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12:54.41bien|and how do i delete an addon from the monitored page?
12:54.55SunTsubien|: Just set the id/site to none
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12:55.49SunTsuI am currently thinking about a way to keep my addons up to date myself, but neither way looks nice anymore
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12:56.04digmousemother shahraz down!!!
12:56.14SunTsudigmouse: congrats
12:56.23digmousecouncil tonight!
12:56.27Repo10mail-attachment-count: 03kunda 04v1.2 * r28 : Tagging as v1.2
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12:57.17digmouseshe is sooooo easy
12:57.22Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r19 modules/WIM.lua: Missing a WIM check
12:57.24bien|SunTsu: and the id for the addons from wowinterface?
12:57.33bien|gratz digmouse
12:57.40digmousethanks guys
12:57.46SunTsubien|: is the number in wowi's url
12:58.06bien|argh... its so simple -.- thanks anyway :)
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12:59.12Repo10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04WoW3.0Beta * r96 : RaidBuffStatus:
12:59.13Repo- Delete so I can re-tag.
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12:59.21Repo- Tagging new commit.
13:01.37SunTsuHm, since the move the updater situation is a little bit sad
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13:04.54Zyndromehttp://www.gametrailers.com/player/41216.html - robots, hatdiggers, schoolgirls, Peter Stormare alternating time
13:05.00ZyndromeGOTY
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13:07.54digmouseso how is council difficulty comparing to mother?
13:08.12nevcairielnot that hard
13:08.17nevcairielneeds some coordination
13:08.25nevcairieland people that can run out of AoE
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13:08.46Bruners_and mana regen
13:08.48digmousethe key is?
13:08.53digmousea high hit mage tank?
13:08.57digmouseppls able to run?
13:09.22nevcairielmostly
13:09.32nevcairielinterrupt heals
13:09.48HjalteOur shadow priests died constantly in the council fight because of wanting to finish their "difficult" rotations.
13:09.48digmousetaking a try on the trash now
13:09.57digmouselol
13:10.13Lukiana) interrupting heals b) moving out of aoe c) quality healing and calling of aoe/poison
13:10.32Zyndromeand holy fire
13:11.02digmousesounds not so hard
13:11.16Gnarfozcouncil is definitely quite a bird harder than sharaz.
13:11.16Zyndrometell everyone to max their spell details, otherwise they'll be unable to see the AoE
13:11.45digmousek
13:11.51LukianZyndrome, heh, I died to it once on the steps
13:11.59Lukianit didn't draw probably on that surface
13:12.23digmouseit's in the air
13:12.42Zyndromeconsecration isn't
13:12.56digmousethe blizzard is
13:13.10digmousefirestorm and consecration is not hard
13:13.11nevcairielflame burst isnt either
13:13.51Lukianthe flame one draws on the ground
13:13.53digmouseshould not be hard if had Hexlord exp
13:13.59Lukianblizzard is easy to dodge
13:14.01digmouselike kael?
13:14.04Zyndromegot caught between flamestrike, consecration and blizzard last night, that was fun... for 2 seconds
13:14.10Zyndromewhat are the odds >_<
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13:14.10Lukiandigmouse, yeah
13:14.20digmousesee, and that rogue?
13:14.25LukianZyndrome, I got double blizzard in a row ^_^
13:14.27Lukianthat was fun
13:14.33nevcairielZyndrome: there are always funny cases where you just die, flamestrike on you plus poison or something
13:14.55digmouseheard that he'll show himself a little before his vanish is over?
13:14.59fewynmorning #wowace
13:15.07nevcairieldigmouse: he does
13:15.38Fisker-i once got poison
13:15.50Fisker-and holy shock
13:16.02Fisker-Survived with like 50hp :P
13:16.08Fisker-divine shield = win
13:16.59digmousehow much time we have to respond between he shows himself and begin to attack people?
13:18.31digmousewow that robot is so scary
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13:20.00StanzillaI loved letting people die on that trash
13:20.14Stanzilla"hey you got my t6 token, no shield for you!"
13:20.33nevcairiellol
13:25.39digmouseso many trash
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13:33.49Cryect<Gnarfoz> council is definitely quite a bird harder than sharaz.
13:34.13Gnarfozthanks for quoting me randomly!
13:34.15Gnarfoz:)
13:34.15CryectMan sharaz most not be much of anything after the bug fixes
13:34.37CryectWell it wasn't random in the sense that Council was kinda almost a joke fight
13:35.18CryectBut mother was mainly hard due to bad game design
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13:35.47sacarascnever got that far in raiding... :(
13:36.01Raegxcouncil is stressfull on healers if the raid doesn't stay out of the AOE = ( and god bless whoever is covering the poisons/divine wraths
13:36.19Repo10closet-gnome_big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r45 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update to the latest CG.
13:36.45Raegxcouncil is probably my least favorite encounter in bt
13:37.32CryectI think mother was but thats because being a mindless damage soak isn't much fun!
13:37.56Raegxthere are so many sharaz strats
13:38.02Raegxmy guild didn't use any soaks
13:38.21Stanzillawe killed mother first try
13:38.22Raegxjust 1 giant group and 1 holy priest standing alone to heal ppl as they run
13:38.36Stanzillawith a one camp tactic
13:38.40Cryectwhat the hell?
13:38.48Cryectthey really changed the fight then
13:38.59Cryecthehe been a while since I've done BT so not surprised
13:39.06Fisker-Council is annoying when you're unlucky with lag + mage/druid tank
13:39.07Fisker->:3
13:39.13Cryectthat didn't work too well on the original Sharaz
13:39.14Stanzillawe killed it after the first nerf
13:39.18Raegx? no. There are certain places where you can stand that has a very low probability of having ports on top of the raid
13:39.23Stanzillasometime last year
13:39.28digmousefacing them now
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13:39.41Raegxwhat was her nerf?
13:39.44Raegxand when
13:39.46CryectRaegx mother's cleave would instantly gib most people
13:39.54Raegxisn't that a shared cleave
13:39.57CryectA ton of stuff was changed like a year ago
13:39.58Raegxwe just had 3 tanks on her
13:40.07Cryectwell that was the damage soak I was talking about
13:40.20CryectI thought you were saying you had everyone grouped on the 1 tank
13:40.24Raegxah I misunderstood. I'm a healer so fight context is different
13:40.36Raegxdunno I haven't done sharaz in a while now
13:40.43Raegxwe finished her off long ago
13:40.50Raegxwe = my guild
13:41.07CryectSome of the changes were like making it so your tanks will never be teleported
13:41.23Cryectoh changes so you don't get teleported to locations you get stuck and some various tuning issues
13:41.49Cryectoh plus the changing of how her magic shield works
13:42.02Raegxah, nope none of those problems. My guild was late to going to bt/hyjal
13:42.18CryectI knew it was supposed to be a ton easier based on the time it took guilds to kill her taking a few weeks due to farming for shadow resist to a night or two
13:42.23Raegxbut we did it pre-attunement nerfs
13:42.29Raegxso we did kael and vashj
13:43.10Raegxsharaz we did in 1 night. We had all raiders in SR before we even stepped in
13:43.26StanzillaCyrez: it was piss easy with max resi gear
13:43.26Cryectbut council was night or two boss fight at the time at most so going from a boss that takes 2 weeks of farming Shadow Resist to a boss that takes 2 days tops
13:43.46Stanzillawe killed the last 3 bosses in BT in one ID
13:44.05CryectYeah but you shouldn't have had max resistance when you first got to Mother O_o
13:44.07Repo10closet-gnome_tooltip: 03Rabbit * r44 ClosetGnome_Tooltip.toc: Spelling mistake in the TOC.
13:44.08Raegxif you are talking about the first 3 it doesn't matter
13:44.15digmousecrytect we do
13:44.23Stanzillalast 3 :p
13:44.28Stanzillamother council illidan
13:44.34digmouseall 300+-350+ buffed except MT
13:44.35Raegxhah gratz then!
13:44.39Stanzillathx :p
13:44.53Cryectwhen you first got to mother?
13:44.53Raegxthe only accolaid I can claim is we did Illidan in 1 night
13:45.04Cryectdid they increase the droprate of hearts of shadows?
13:45.13Raegxhearts of darkness
13:45.26Cryectheh shows you how long it has been since I've been raiding ^_^
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13:45.55Cryectwas kinda boring because we had to farm the trash before mother for couple weeks to almost max out the raids shadow resistance
13:46.21Cryectluckily was easy to farm with only 10-15 people
13:46.28Raegxno hyjal hearts?
13:46.35Stanzillawe bought hearts if I remember correctly
13:46.38Stanzillafrom other raids
13:46.49Cryecthyjal didn't drop hearts
13:46.57Stanzillait always did O.o
13:46.57Raegxsucks =p
13:47.14Raegxwell stanzilla proposes a historical challenge!
13:47.27Cryectand we couldn't buy hearts since we were the only guild at that point
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13:47.59Stanzillawe had to buy it from horde raids cause they were faster :P
13:48.13Cryecthorde guilds weren't even in BT at the time :(
13:48.20Stanzillalol^^
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13:50.03Bruners_we did trash in bt, two bosses in hyjal, trash in bt ++
13:51.36CryectStanzilla, but yeah I don't think hearts dropped in hyjal early on (absolutely no loot dropped in Hyjal except off bosses).  If you check the probability of hearts dropping off mobs its really low compared to BT mobs showing it was prolly added later
13:52.06Stanzillahum
13:53.29Matrix110it was
13:53.33Cryectanyways it sucked hearts and they were a pointless timesink to slow early guilds down :-p
13:53.35Matrix110Trash didnt drop gems/hod in the start
13:54.10Matrix110Cryect it was ok imho
13:54.17Matrix110not to ridiculous but not to heavy
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13:54.44CryectI hate farming of any sort
13:55.20digmousehow far is their aggro distance?
13:55.20Matrix110HoD wasnt much farming though
13:55.40digmousethe mage tank needs to spec fire?
13:55.42CryectI seemed to recall it was like 2 weeks of farming mother trash every night
13:55.48Cryectmaybe it was only a week or so
13:55.52Matrix110digmouse where?
13:55.59Bruners_was that for us atleast
13:56.01digmousematrix110: council
13:56.05Matrix110erm no
13:56.07Cryectbeen a year though so who knows how far I'm off
13:56.08Matrix110can be any spec
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13:56.22Matrix110Frost being the best
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13:56.52Matrix110and you need frost on mages for Illidan later anyway
13:57.02digmousek
13:57.12Matrix110(going there with 2+ mages being fire is a really really slow P2 and gets kinda mana intensive)
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14:00.27vhaarrthey are removing the Riding Crop in 3.0, right?
14:00.29HjalteI was just in heroic mechanar with the worlds worst tank :( And of course, he couldn't see it himself. Pulling 3 humanoids and a robot is totally normal of course, and then he blamed me for not being able to heal it, when I was killed from aggro of the robot.
14:00.33vhaarrand making it an enchant of sorts
14:01.05nevcairielcurrently they are only removing it
14:01.09nevcairielreplacement is not in yet
14:01.09vhaarrright
14:01.21vhaarrwell then I won't bother converting CG_Mount
14:01.21nevcairielor actually, i think you keep it, and it goes defunct at 71
14:01.24vhaarraha
14:01.26vhaarrgrr
14:01.51digmousea wipe
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14:02.13digmousegoing to Hyjal instead
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14:03.19Stanzillanevcairiel: it's still a trinket for me on beta
14:03.26nevcairielyeah
14:03.31nevcairielbut it doesnt work above lvl 70
14:03.34nevcairielso a blue post said
14:03.38Stanzillanice...
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14:03.52StanzillaI wonder what's on those cds they already ship >.<
14:04.01Stanzillait's not really final what they do there
14:04.44nevcairielgraphics and sound
14:04.52nevcairielthe big content
14:04.57nevcairielpatches will always happen
14:05.04SunTsuStanzilla: Having it as an enchant wouldn't really work since mounts became spells. How would I enchant a spell?
14:05.35vhaarrSunTsu: your old mounts are items in your inventory before they become spells
14:05.44Stanzillayes but why do the trinkets break when you are above lvl70?
14:05.48vhaarrthey could just continue that, awarding them as items that you use to train the spell
14:05.53vhaarrand you could apply the enchant to that item
14:06.10nevcairielStanzilla: because they want to do something new, what do i know, blue said that
14:06.14Stanzillathe funny thing is, those mount items stayed in my inventory when I learned them on beta
14:06.18StanzillaI hope that is a bug, too
14:06.20nevcairielthat was a bug
14:06.22nevcairielwas fixed already
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14:06.28Stanzillak
14:07.01SunTsuvhaarr: Yeah, but that would really have spell ids explode or am I mistaken at that?
14:07.06Stanzillathey should make it like the diablo2 charms
14:07.13Stanzillakeep in inventory and it works
14:07.30vhaarrSunTsu: there are already tons, 200 more don't matter
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14:08.00nevcairielpersonally, i would rather have something that increases speed for all mounts
14:08.01nevcairielnot one <.<
14:08.05vhaarrindeed
14:08.30vhaarrstill, this would work, and it would also ensure leatherworkers employment for the coming months :p
14:08.30Stanzillayeah but that would be the case for that diablo2-ish stuff
14:09.02nevcairieli bet it will end up as a minor glyph
14:09.02Stanzillakeep in inventory and all mount speeds go up by 10%
14:09.32SunTsunevcairiel: That would be something I like
14:09.52vhaarrnot me, minor glyphs are supposed to be gimmicks, +10% mount speed is an absolute necessity
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14:11.46Repo10yata: 03Tornhoof 04wotlk-beta-0.4 * r40 : - Tagged as 0.4
14:13.58bien|mh...i got a question again...
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14:14.34bien|is it poossible to force jwowupdater to update the addons with the latest betas from curse?
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14:22.10Repo10statlogiclib: 03Whitetooth * r185 StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua:  (Message trimmed by 28 lines)
14:22.11RepoStatLogicLib: Talent data updated to build 9061
14:22.12Repo- Warlock: Updated Talent: Metamorphosis - Reduces chance to be crit, no longer increases AP
14:22.14Repo- Warlock: Updated Buff: Fel Armor - no longer gives mp5 from spi in 5sr
14:22.18Repo- Rogue: Removed Talent: Vitality
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14:24.36Hjaltebien|: I don't think jwu supports beta or alpha releases. You'll have to use Curse Client for that, once it is working.
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14:26.03bien|damn :(
14:26.08SunTsu.o0( As I said, updater situatiuon is sad, currently )
14:26.24bien|yeah
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14:32.04bien|i hope the curse updater is working soon... ._.
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14:33.15SunTsuI can't use it anyway. And would not use it if I can't configure it not to send data to curse
14:33.36nevcairielhands out tinfoil hats
14:33.44SunTsuSo I am out of working updaters
14:33.46selckinand it wants you to be a premuim curse nub to auto update
14:33.50selckinso its out
14:34.03Hjalteselckin: How many addon updates do you have each day anyway?
14:34.04fewynbien| the CC is working
14:34.08SunTsunevcairiel: I at least want the choice
14:34.15fewyni'm using it right this second to update my addons
14:34.18fewynworks perfectly fine
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14:34.26selckinHjalte: the point is that is why you use the client, i can just do it off the websites otherwise
14:34.31SunTsufewyn: Not under Wine/FreeBSD
14:34.40fewynGG Wine is not supported
14:34.52fewynwhich is obvious
14:34.59Hjalteselckin: It's still much easier than doing it on the internet, having the client check for updates and unzipping it into your folders.
14:35.15selckinit's still doing all kinds of things behind your back
14:35.26selckinit has lost my trust
14:36.04bien|fewyn: but not for beta releases
14:36.05Trelatries to figure out why Curse.com is not updating and grrs.
14:36.24SunTsuEven if it was working, does it show what it is about to update, what it has updated, does it show change logs and all that stuff?
14:36.25fewynbien| hmmm... no it seems to be downloading the latest beta releases in .14
14:36.38fewyndoesn't show changelogs but it does the others
14:36.49nevcairiel.14 supports beta releases now
14:36.52HjalteThere is an activity log in the Curse Client.
14:36.53nevcairielbut its a pre-release
14:37.00nevcairielit is supposed to be released on monday
14:37.16bien|so i cant download .14 ?
14:37.23fewynyou can if you can find the link....
14:37.26nevcairielthere is a link to the prerelease somewhere
14:37.31fewynsec i'll pull it up
14:37.36bien|nice... oO
14:38.02HjalteIt's here: http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe
14:38.08fewynhttp://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe
14:38.19Hjalte:)
14:38.34SunTsuDoes ist do ext/no-ext by now?
14:38.41nevcairielno
14:38.42bien|i'll try it :)
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14:38.52Chompersoooh, new version
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14:38.54HjalteSunTsu: They're working on implementing it
14:38.57nevcairielno-ext is low on the priority list to do
14:39.16nevcairielthe general updating is more important :P
14:39.44SunTsuAll in all it looks too much like not ready
14:40.03Mars85With the LoadOnDemand change Blizzard stated that they dislike disembedded :( :P
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14:40.43SunTsunevcairiel: Will there be an option to turn off sending data to curse?
14:40.51nevcairielprobably not
14:41.01nevcairielbut i dont work for curse nor on the updater
14:41.03nevcairielso no idea :P
14:41.10TrelaSunTsu: You can block the data with firewall settings.
14:41.12ArrowmasterMars85: they did not
14:41.19selckinTrela: yeah, just like spyware!
14:41.27SunTsuTrela: Only if I wnat it to cease working as a whole
14:41.29Trelaselckin: Yeah, I know!
14:41.32Chompersso where's the changelog for .14?
14:41.37SunTsuwant even
14:41.50[SW]DodgeChompers: no changelog yet .14 is still test release
14:41.51nevcairielChompers: as mentioned before, its a pre-release, it doesnt have a complete changelog yet :P
14:41.58Chompersoh okay
14:42.04TrelaSunTsu: You can stop it from sending by only blocking hardwareservice.curse.com and not addonservice.curse.com.
14:42.28HjalteThis is a nice post for everyone to read if you're interested in the Curse Client and what it might become: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=240833#post240833
14:42.46SunTsuTrela: As long as they don't change that
14:43.00TrelaIf they do, I will find how to update and block it.  :P
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14:43.30SunTsuTrela: And If there won't be an option to turn off sending most likely it will be changed so it can't differentiated
14:43.37selckinanything that requires that does not deserv your trust
14:43.42Chompersthe disembedded libary this was pretty bad for me first time i used the client
14:43.55Chompersi imagine someone new to addons wouldnt have that problem though
14:43.58Stanzilla[2008/10/11 16:42:31-2562-x1]: AceTab-2.0-40685 (Ace2):193: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value < nice
14:44.04StanzillaI'm good at finding old errors
14:44.08Chompersjust the people who used disembedded libs to begin with
14:44.09TrelaDepending on how sophisticated your firewall is you will be able to block it still.
14:44.15nevcairielthat error has been around for ever Stanzilla =P
14:44.26StanzillaI know
14:44.29Arrowmastersolution, dont use AceTab-2.0
14:44.40StanzillaI'm not looking for a fix :P
14:44.42Arrowmasterperty sure thats easy to do
14:44.45nevcairielChompers: meh, using disembed always leaves you somewhat on your own to manage your shit :P
14:45.05bien|argh, now i know, why i dont like the curse updater... :/
14:45.23Chomperstrue nev
14:45.40Chompersi would have thought it would save on bandwidth costs though
14:45.57SunTsuTrela: My firewall is as sophisticated as I want it, but if all runs over the same socket/connection there will be no mingling in it
14:46.00Chomperspacking up and sending all those libs again and again, seems a waste
14:46.34Tornhoofsuntsu, if they connect to a different ipendpoint (e.g. addons*.*) they will use a different socket
14:46.46TrelaSunTsu: CC only downloads information, but only uploads when sending hardware information.  Assuming you can block uploads only, you should be able to block it.
14:46.50SunTsuTornhoof: Yeah, _if_, that's the point
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14:47.11SunTsuTrela: So how does it request anything if it can't send?
14:47.20Tornhooftrela that won't work
14:47.40Tornhoofbtw who wrote that it sends hw info?
14:47.41SunTsuTrela: You at least need something like GET / HTTP/1.1 or such
14:48.39TrelaI noted it a few days ago that it does.  It uploads a small data file to hardwareservice.curse.com.
14:48.47SunTsuTornhoof: It sends item information and toon information, and I really want an option to turn it off and on.
14:48.59Tornhoofyeh
14:49.16Tornhoofthat option is mandatory
14:49.20SunTsu.o0( but why would I care, I can't use it at all, so it can be the same to me )
14:49.21ArrowmasterSunTsu: disable the addon in game, and delete all the saved vars for it
14:49.41SunTsuArrowmaster: Gnarfoz said it uploaded .wdb anyway
14:49.46TrelaStopping the AddOn itself will prevent game client information.
14:49.59Arrowmasteryou really care about .wdb?
14:50.13TrelaThe WDB just has item information.  *Shrugs*
14:50.32Zeksiethere's no OnValueChanged equivelant for FontStrings is there?
14:50.33Arrowmasterwell item spell quest etc
14:50.38SunTsuArrowmaster: I do care about everything that goes from me to a site which I do not know and therefore not trust to full extent
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14:51.01Zeksienm. will hook settext.
14:51.02SunTsuArrowmaster: And as I said, I want the option to turn it off
14:51.19SunTsuIf I use it should be mine to decide
14:51.45SunTsuThat, too, has to do with trust, which is a mutual thing
14:52.54TrelaWell, this is sort of odd.  I submitted, had approved, and uploaded my new CleanMinimap.  http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cleanminimap.aspx
14:53.06TrelaThen I find this older one with the same name, but different URL.  http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/clean-minimap.aspx
14:54.22TrelaUpdated some time ago, but technically a different AddOn.  Thinking about how to resolve it.
14:56.17HjalteTrela: I'd consider renaming my addon if the other addon is older.
14:56.48TrelaYeah, I know what you mean.  I am trying to think of something, but I am not sure I can rename the project.  :P
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14:59.34bien|I HATE THIS UPDATER... :/
14:59.40stew_aok this is wierd, we;re raiding naxx and someone makes an ML error, so they page a GM to fix it. we just come to gluth and the GM appears before us disguised as a slime. he does the change, then joins our raid and helps us fight gluth xD
15:00.00Cheadsnice =)
15:00.01Arrowmasterlol
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15:00.28Arrowmasteryou got a gm for a ML error on beta? thats even more amazing
15:00.31stew_aand we wipe >.<
15:00.42stew_abeta? nono we're on retail
15:00.44Belazorbien|: In Soviet Curse, updater hates you!
15:01.07Arrowmasterrofl
15:01.23Zyndromehttp://www.ripten.com/2008/10/10/wow-whore-has-36-accounts-raids-by-himself/
15:01.30Zyndrome..............................
15:02.13Zyndromeguess he won the lottery
15:03.33bien|Belazor: nah...this curse updater is killing my addons...the second time... :/
15:03.33Mars85o_O
15:04.17EthanCentauraican I be a nit-picking asshole and ask someone to capitalize the E and the C in my name on WowAce? so it's EthanCentaurai rather than ethancentaurai... :)
15:06.00ArrowmasterEthanCentaurai: youll have to talk to kaelten
15:06.18Gnarfozdon't bet on anything happening though ;)
15:06.35EthanCentauraihehe
15:06.57EthanCentauraiit doesn't matter really, I just want it to be uniform with the rest of CurseForge :)
15:07.00stew_aGM has hung around for a second try :-)
15:07.43stew_aand we kill gluth in under a minute
15:08.07Adirellenevcairiel: I made some tries with the concept of libraryloader
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15:09.31stew_aGM ninjad some of our loot
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15:10.37Arrowmasterlol?
15:11.49EthanCentauraistew_a: awesome! grats! screenshots plz :)
15:11.55stew_aof...?
15:12.12EthanCentauraiyour raid
15:12.20EthanCentaurai:P
15:12.21stew_ahold on a sec, thaddius fight
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15:16.54bien|can anyone help me with pitbull?
15:17.10stew_aok thaddius daed give me a minute
15:17.22bien|and the following error message: LibDogTag-3.0.90203: Error with code "[Status or (if HP(known=true) then\
15:17.22bien|<PROTECTED>
15:17.22bien|else\
15:17.22bien|<PROTECTED>
15:17.22bien|end)]" (Base;Unit). ...itBull\libs\LibDogTag-Unit-3.0\Categories\Health.lua line 38:
15:17.23bien|<PROTECTED>
15:17.32ZyndromeI suggest you get a dachshound
15:17.34Zyndrome~rimshot
15:17.35purlba-dum CHH
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15:18.30Stanzillabien|: update with the latest alpha zip
15:19.15Stanzillaor beta
15:20.53bien|pitbull or the library?
15:21.08Stanzillathe lib if you run disembedded
15:22.00stew_aEthanCentaurai: http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot101108155223ex3.jpg
15:24.00JensRexGuys... have I been peering all day?
15:24.42SunTsuJensRex: Sort of
15:24.51TrelaJust says Remote Closed the Connection to us.
15:25.02JensRexEvery 10 minutes or so?
15:25.10SunTsuJensRex: Yeah
15:25.13Arrowmastersomething like that
15:25.19JensRexSorry for spamming like that.
15:25.30JensRexI changed ISP and their stupid DLink router is a flaming bag of shit.
15:25.49Arrowmasterdont worry, you cant be as bad as Shirik|zZz
15:25.53JensRexAll I saw here was mIRC hanging after MOTD.
15:26.14EthanCentauraithanks stew :)
15:26.16JensRexNow I hooked up an old Motorola cable modem and a WRT54G, and all seems to be working now.
15:26.22Repo10auratochat: 03Rabbit * r29 embeds.xml: Fix embeds.xml.
15:26.41Mars85wrt54g(l) is best :)
15:26.44bien|Stanzilla: that doesnt help
15:26.51JensRexIndeed.
15:26.57Repo10error-monster: 03Rabbit * r76 / (9 files in 1 directory): Convert to Ace3, simplified a great deal.
15:27.09Raegxso wahts w/ wowmatrix? Any good?
15:27.18Arrowmasterwrt54gl with tomato = <3
15:27.19Raegxwhat*
15:27.21JensRexI think DLink has some sort of paranoid "firewall" feature.
15:27.21ArrowmasterRaegx: no
15:27.30stew_adoes anyone know if the patch has been announced for this tuesday/wednesday yet or..?
15:27.32Raegx@arrow anything specific?
15:27.35JensRexAnd dislikes Freenode because of open proxy checks.
15:27.49ArrowmasterRaegx: its evil
15:27.58Arrowmasterand supports gold sellers
15:28.10JensRexIt also randomly decided to drop my IMAP and FTP connections, for no good reason.
15:28.26Raegxhmmm so besides the gold selling bit, anything else
15:28.47Arrowmasterit violates the ToC of curse and wowinterface
15:28.57ArrowmasterToU
15:28.58Arrowmasterwhatever
15:29.37Arrowmasterand disrespects authors rights
15:29.40nevcairielits also illegal
15:29.43nevcairielits bandwidth theft
15:29.52nevcairielwhich is considered a crime, at least here
15:30.38Arrowmasterand this douche still hasnt replied to me http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&sid=1&pageNo=8#146
15:35.18Repo10ads: 03Zikko * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): working prototype of the GUI. Still need to change to templates in ADS.xml
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15:39.35EthanCentauraiheh... getting this error: Bartender4-4.1.0-Alpha\Bar.lua:91: CreateFrame(): Couldn't find inherited node "SecureHandlerStateTemplate" on login on live servers... I guess it my installed version of BT4 suddenly became beta only overnight? :S
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15:40.20nevcairielEthanCentaurai: usng curse client set to install beta?
15:40.22nevcairielthen it did :p
15:40.38EthanCentauraiI did
15:40.55EthanCentauraimanually downloads a release version from AceForge.
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15:43.08EthanCentaurainotice the files tagged as alpha are flagged as 2.4 compatiable :)
15:43.20Bruners_any of you that is a admin/mod type on curseforge?
15:45.39Arrowmasteryes
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15:46.46SunTsuOK, I surrender, I switch to embedded and get my addons via svn/git
15:47.56EthanCentaurailol now I'm getting "## X-LoadOn-Hooks: ToggleFrame (ToggleFrame): not a function:\nAddonLoader-2.0\\AddonLoader.lua:129" on login... no other debug code, I guess it's tekAbility tho
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15:48.31Bruners_Arrowmaster: could you give me some tips on why my project wont get published ?
15:49.02Arrowmastersyndication may be broken again
15:49.34nevcairielEthanCentaurai: could be Mapster, too
15:50.54EthanCentaurainevcairiel, it is! how strange... CC didn't touch Mapster O_o
15:51.09Bruners_Arrowmaster: could you check and see if i have done everything correct here ?
15:51.21ArrowmasterBruners_: is there a beta or release file?
15:51.24EthanCentauraigives Nev some cookies.
15:51.27Bruners_Arrowmaster: release
15:51.37ArrowmasterBruners_: then everything should be correct
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16:03.19Tornhoofnevcairiel is there any reason that your bt4 4.1.0-WotLK-Beta2 version has no optional dependencies for libdatabroker in the toc?
16:03.34nevcairielLibDatabroker has no standalone library
16:04.57Tornhoofah ok
16:07.07Tornhoofdo you happen know the proper .pkgmeta entry for libdatabroker?
16:07.49[SW]Dodgewhy does bt4 need databroker? :)
16:07.56Gnarfozlauncher
16:08.02nevcairielyeah a launcher icon
16:08.05nevcairielfor the config
16:08.08[SW]Dodgeah ok
16:08.25Gnarfozit doesn't need it, I guess? but who the fuck wants 500 addons because for every addon you have the addon, its config addon, its LDB addon, its ... the list goes on :D
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16:09.58nevcairielif you delete LDB from the dir it won't create a button
16:10.07nevcairielbut huh
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16:10.13nevcairielLDB itself is like 30 lines
16:10.19nevcairieland the launcher maybe 10
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16:25.52Arrowmasteri almost feel bad
16:26.46Arrowmasterdownloading at 820+ kB/s (maxing my downstream) from a torrent thats got a sub 150 kB/s average swarm speed
16:26.57Arrowmasteralmost
16:29.18Repo10manaperc: 03phyber 07master * v1.0-2-gd260c78 ManaPerc.lua: [+1 commit] Druid power bars suck.
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16:35.37Adirellehrm, shouldn't inflight and inflight_load be merged ?
16:36.14Arrowmastermaybe
16:37.04Arrowmasteralthough its more of adding the inflight_load stuff to the inflight repo then deleting the inflight_load project than truely merging
16:37.14Arrowmastertotalpackage will probably have to do it
16:37.36AdirelleArrowmaster: right
16:38.05AdirelleATM the InFlight addon itself is just not usable without InFlight_Load
16:38.22Adirelles/usable/loadable/
16:40.17Repo10yata: 03Tornhoof 07wotlk * r41 / (4 files in 1 directory): - Added LDB support
16:40.46Adirellewow, I shouldn't have take a look at InFlight_Load, now my brain is screwed
16:41.01Cyrezkicks Repo
16:41.12CyrezNew bot? o_0
16:41.17ArrowmasterCyrez: yes
16:41.42ArrowmasterAdirelle: yeah i know, totalpackage wrote some decent stuff that just worked but its fucking ugly
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16:42.58AdirelleArrowmaster: I'm quite that works, but I don't really see the point of having both addon in that particular case
16:43.04CyrezIf whoever runs it can get it in #wowace-cia as well, I can add it to the access list.
16:43.31ArrowmasterCyrez: dont think it will happen, its already in #WoWUIDev-commits
16:43.42Cyrez:(
16:43.51Arrowmasterand its kinda buggy sometimes, and floods itself off the network
16:44.01CyrezOuch.
16:44.14Arrowmasteryeah more channels would just make that worse
16:44.44CyrezI suppose I could write another relay script.
16:45.34Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r90 / (4 files in 4 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0:
16:45.35Repo- LibSpecialEvents fixes for updating
16:45.40Arrowmasterwhy though when we have #WowUIDev-commits?
16:45.55CyrezCuz people still idle in my channel, lol.
16:45.58Arrowmasterhmm freenode doesnt support CPRIVMSG it seems
16:46.10Arrowmasteri only idle there because it still exists
16:46.17Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander 042.0.91-release * r91 : Tagging as 2.0.91-release.
16:46.20Arrowmasterand im lazy
16:46.44Arrowmasterand just set mode +if #WoWUIDev-commits
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16:47.39EthanCentauraiLordFarlander: ping
16:47.57ArrowmasterEthanCentaurai: hes not here
16:48.05Repo10mini-pet: 03LordFarlander 044.5.118-release * r118 : Tagging as 4.5.118-release.
16:48.13EthanCentauraidoh
16:48.18Repo10coconuts: 03LordFarlander 042.5.84-release * r84 : Tagging as 2.5.84-release.
16:48.30EthanCentauraimeh, I'll write a ticket instead
16:48.32Repo10baldrick: 03LordFarlander 041.5.84-release * r84 : Tagging as 1.5.84-release.
16:48.39Arrowmasteryou use his crap?
16:48.55EthanCentauraicrap? :O
16:49.08EthanCentauraiaye, I use MiniPet and Coconuts
16:49.27EthanCentauraiin beta tho, not lie
16:49.31EthanCentaurais/lie/live
16:49.37Arrowmasteri think he ran away last time he came on irc and we bombarded him with things that were wrong and he could fix
16:50.12AeyanWhat ever happened to Alar?
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16:50.37Arrowmasternot sure, i know hes using googlecode for something now though
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16:54.13[SW]Dodgebranches are created with "clone repo" ?
16:55.04Arrowmasterno
16:55.43molgarHow can i Set a texture to fade at the same time as a ScrollingMessageFrame?
16:55.44Repo10manaperc: 03phyber 07master * v1.0-3-g76934fe ManaPerc.lua: [+1 commit] Made Druid power bar handling work properly (hopefully).
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16:57.54Zhinjiomolgar you can probably parent it to the message frame, which I believe will force it to fade the same way.
16:58.09Repo10simple-chat-mods: 03Rabbit * r110 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add afk.lua, hides subsequent AFK messages.
17:00.10Repo10manaperc: 03phyber 04v1.1 * 0b3e4d6 /: [new tag] Made Druid power bar handling work properly (hopefully).
17:02.38[SW]Dodgehmm
17:02.57[SW]Dodgesearching for ouf on wowace, but it only finds layouts or plugins :S
17:03.32molgarhmm, okey, ill try that..
17:04.08nevcairielouf isnt on wowace
17:04.28[SW]Dodgeah okay
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17:05.03nevcairielArrowmaster: kaelten accidently moved Alar to curseforge when he merged his projects *shrug
17:05.56Fisker-Can't find titan, klhtm and dbm on wowace?++
17:07.09ArrowmasterFisker-: troll elsewhere
17:07.45nevcairielhm 2 hours to raid panel
17:07.45nevcairielgoes to hack on BT4
17:07.47Fisker-I am
17:08.03Fisker-not like you can see it nevcairiel >:3
17:08.09vhaarryou're just trolling here as well? :p
17:08.32nevcairielFisker-: i can listen to the audio stream
17:08.37Fisker-of course vhaarr
17:08.42vhaarr^^
17:08.47Fisker-but it's wcradio >:E
17:09.05Obelixprimehow do i know which addons on curse are wotlk capable?
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17:09.15Fisker-doesn't like the IncTrojans and WCRadio duopoly >:3
17:10.21Repo10ahsearch: 03kunda * r59 / (3 files in 1 directory): AHsearch:
17:10.22Repo- no more wotlk-fix-category-msg with a fresh install
17:10.23Repo- minor fixes e.g. removed some debug code/update to new project page
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17:26.28molgarAnyone know how i can make a Texture Fade?
17:27.20CyrezYou mean make it see-through?
17:27.40molgarno, fade... like ScrollingMessageFrame,.. so i dont see it at all
17:27.51CyrezOOOOOOoooo.
17:29.04molgari manage to fade the text thats inside the scrollingmessageframe, but not the texture,
17:29.10molgari even set the parent
17:29.16molgarbut still no changes
17:29.46Cyrezsylvanaar might know, possibly.
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17:33.29Arrowmastermolgar: you cant easily
17:34.01CyrezYeah, that's what I was guessing.
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17:34.20Arrowmasterhmm wait
17:34.27Arrowmasterthere might be a way
17:34.30molgarwell, u can ;P i have another mod that does it, but i just dont quite understand how when i read his mod...
17:34.57Arrowmasterwhat scrollingmessageframe are you trying to do it on?
17:35.03molgari wondering about if i should hide it insted, same time as the messageframe fade.. might be the right sulution
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17:35.18molgarScrollingMessageFrame
17:35.22Arrowmasterwhich
17:35.31Arrowmasterthats just a frame type
17:36.27molgarhmm, i dont use any templates if thats what u meen
17:36.36Arrowmasteri mean whats the name of the frame
17:36.51Arrowmasteris it one you are creating?
17:37.23molgarwell no, i actually made it in xml. the frame is no problem rly, that fade after 5 sec, as it should
17:37.43Arrowmastertry something like '/dump FrameName:GetChildren()' ingame in the editbox
17:37.58Arrowmasteri think there will be a bunch of fontstrings listed
17:38.18molgarhmm, alright, ill try
17:39.43Arrowmasteri think if you parent the texture to one of those it might fade with the text, but like everytime new text is added to the frame it will show again
17:39.52Arrowmasterif you get the right one that is
17:40.11Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07wrath * 4.1.0-WotLK-Beta2-7-g5efa96d / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
17:40.12Repo5efa96d: Added a Leave Vehicle Button to the Main Bar on Slot 12
17:40.13Repo7d5f26a: Updated TODO.txt
17:40.26Arrowmasterim guessing you are trying to do something like a border? that fades out when the text is gone?
17:40.31nevcairielyay one of the blockers done for 3.0
17:41.22Arrowmasterhmm i think im going to try portal prelude again, earlyer the main menu never finished loading...
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17:43.28Ozgulido you know what would be awesome?
17:43.38Ozgulia wow pluging port of the MegaHAL conversation bot
17:43.43Ozguliplugin*
17:44.04Ozgulithe kb of this laptop fails..
17:44.24Ozgulithat's all this time
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17:48.26nevcairielman i love the new state headers
17:48.28nevcairielso easy to do stuff
17:49.37Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07wrath * 4.1.0-WotLK-Beta2-8-g1b76f3f ActionButton.lua: [+1 commit] Fix error in auto-assist code with harm-assisting
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18:00.24[SW]Dodgestate headers?
18:00.26[SW]Dodge:)
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18:05.00waallenweirdness in Parrot, every damage coming/going from/to a warlock gets stickied, http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/496/wowscrnshot101108194142ye2.jpg
18:06.54Repo10auratochat: 03Rabbit * r30 .pkgmeta: Add missing package-as line to .pkgmeta ... wtflux?
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18:13.17Repo10banzai-alert: 03Rabbit * r105 / (5 files in 2 directories): Nuke Ace2.
18:13.51Zyndrome"The first big news is Strand of the Ancients getting changed from 10vs10 to 15vs15. The amount of Vehicles is also being doubled."
18:14.05Zyndromethat's an improvement, 10vs10 feel so empty atm
18:14.13Zyndromealmost always a draw :<
18:14.31nevcairielyeah the area is so fucking big
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18:16.12Zyndrome"They also want players to be able to level up in battlegrounds through XP rewards in addition of honor. Daily quests will also be added."
18:16.14Zyndromemohahahhahah
18:16.20nevcairielhaha in your face twinking
18:17.51Fisker-I thought they said as lately as some days ago that they were absolutely not going to do XP rewards in BGs
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18:18.13dafirehmm.. if you download addonloader manually it gives you the nolib version ?
18:18.14dafirehttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/addon-loader.aspx
18:18.26CyrezI'm not much of a PvP person but I still remember in the earlier days of my mage when I did BG and a teammate told me "nice frost gear". :)
18:18.38nevcairieldafire: curse.com is just fucked
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18:18.57Fisker-a billion dollars that the xp rewards are optional of course
18:18.58Fisker->:3
18:20.01Fisker-hehe
18:20.05Fisker-hunters = least represented
18:20.11Fisker-In what, non-retards?
18:21.18Bruners_dafire: there is no versions, one named -nolib
18:22.03dafireBruners_ ?
18:22.56IndustrialI think the whole embedded thing wors like religion
18:22.59Bruners_dafire: manually downloading gives you nolib version, if you look at downloads there you see that there is two files with same version number on named -nolib
18:23.05Industrialworks
18:23.25Zyndrome"g Moop: is there an addon for the auction house which can save my searches?"
18:23.27Zyndromecant recall any
18:23.44dafireBruners_:  i know that there are other versions... but it should give the avarage user a working copy if he presses the big download button
18:23.47Industrial1. tell people how to do things based on a retarded concept
18:23.53Industrial2. ...
18:23.56Industrial3. profit!
18:25.00Bruners_dafire: that would be ammo's? fault for uploading the -nolib version last :P
18:25.23dafireBruners_: no.. the -nolib versions are not uploaded.. they are created by curse
18:25.25Industrialimho, the term disembedding should even exist in the wow universe and no "auto updater" (another one of those concepts) should support it.
18:25.28Stanzillathat was done by a script
18:25.32Industrialshouldn't
18:25.49Industrialthen, there wouldnt be any whining or problems
18:25.52Industrialwin!
18:25.58JerleMinaraexcept disembedding is a huge performance boost on startup
18:26.19Repo10yata: 03Tornhoof 07wotlk * r43 / (7 files in 1 directory): - First support for Totemsets, still missing ui for it
18:26.21dafirethe mistake was the embedding
18:26.22kenlyricdisembedding was great when I was backing up daily to a usb flash drive
18:26.26JerleMinarading ding ding dafire
18:26.32dafireding
18:26.32Industrialexcept thats only true if you have more then 100 addons, load every addon whenever you not need it (eg your whole auctioneer database, always)
18:26.40Industrialetc
18:26.41kenlyricso one lib update didn't updated 45 mods
18:26.46JerleMinaraexcept your statement is incorrect Industrial
18:26.57Industrialkenlyric: thats just svn externals, not embedded libs per se.
18:27.06kenlyricdisembedding is NOT a huge performance boost
18:27.08Industrial^
18:27.09JerleMinaraI use a lot of addons, many of them LOD, and disembedded is still a lot faster to load in
18:27.33dafiredisembedding was a huge boost when every addon shipped the huge ace2
18:27.37Industrialthe part where you said "I use a lot of addons" makes it so that your system gets heavier load
18:27.40kenlyricLOD has nothing to do with embedding
18:27.45Industrialyou cant circumvent heavier load
18:27.57Industrialuse less addons if you want less load
18:28.07JerleMinarakenlyric: not LOD in the literal sense but I was addressing his auctioneer thing
18:28.17Repo10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07wrath * 4.1.0-WotLK-Beta2-9-g461f274 ActionBarStates.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed disabling of Auto-Assist
18:28.23JerleMinaraIndustrial: there's a 5 second difference between loading in disembedded and loading in embedded
18:28.29kenlyriccouple seconds faster login isn't a huge boost. If you have 100 addons, it's just going to take a while.
18:28.33Industrialso, 5 seconds. once. ever when you log in
18:28.36Industrialafter that its loaded
18:28.38dafireJerleMinara: defrag your drive ;)
18:28.39Industrialbig deal
18:28.47JerleMinaradafire: defragged last night :P
18:29.26Industrialthe point is making dumb people screw their systems up and whine on the forums about problems created from nothing is ANOYING me cause i have to read it (for literally years now)
18:29.49Cryectwait someone is calling 5 seconds of extra load time a lot?
18:30.00JerleMinarait's like a 50% increase!
18:30.01JerleMinara:V
18:30.05Industrials/5/x/. it doesnt matter how much the save is
18:30.18JerleMinara10 to 15, utterly unacceptable.
18:30.21Bruners_5 seconds is a long time
18:30.29Industriallook the other way, check what time it is
18:30.32Industrialoh hey, game loaded
18:30.35Cryect50% increase? you load all the models and world in under 5 seconds + your addons?
18:30.36kenlyricnot when your login is already 60 seconds because you're running so many addons
18:30.45Industrialkenlyric: then clearly the addons are not the problem
18:30.47dafiretrash some ace2 addons and your load time goes down 20 secs :)
18:30.59kenlyricthe addons are the problem
18:31.00JerleMinaraCryect: my log in is about 10 seconds, with embedded it stretches to 15
18:31.02JerleMinarahence, 50%
18:31.03kenlyricthe embedding is not
18:31.17Industrialno, the user is
18:31.21Industrialfor using that many oaddons
18:31.27kenlyriclies
18:31.29kenlyricall necessary
18:31.31Industrialtry it with firefox. same effect. does it make firefox suck?
18:31.35Industrialno.
18:31.40kenlyricall necessary
18:31.46Industrialsee? brain damage.
18:31.47JerleMinarabut eh, disembedded works just fine, I use WUU and fiddlefucked with the new stuff so it autoupdates wowace libs disembedded
18:31.48Cryectif you are interested in reducing your load times would be better to move your addon directory to ram
18:31.48JerleMinaraso life goes on
18:31.53kenlyriconly if it makes the game run slower
18:31.58kenlyricwho the fuck cares about boot times
18:32.12kenlyricONLY LINUX TRASH
18:32.17IndustrialJerleMinara: I use zips and load everything as its shipped, and my wow has been running fine for.. forever.
18:32.30Industrialkenlyric: my windows boots in under 30 secs *flex*
18:32.40JerleMinaragood for you. Just because you don't use the feature doesn't mean that others don't
18:32.49Industrialofcourse
18:32.52JerleMinarabut it's a moot point now.
18:32.54dafireIndustrial: you must have disembedded windows
18:33.28dafirebetter use zips and download manually then using curse downloader .9
18:33.36Industrial<insert your mom joke>
18:33.37Gnarfozat the moment, yes
18:33.46dafirethat won't change
18:33.48JerleMinaradafire: i use WUU with some tweaks which now manually downloads them :P
18:33.57JerleMinaraso i have my one button update that pulls the latest release version
18:34.07IndustrialI actually pay attention to my addons so I know when they update
18:34.26Industrialinstead of mashing "UPDAYT" every 15 mins
18:34.35Industrialand then wondering why your interface changed
18:34.38kenlyricyou obviously don't have enough!
18:34.49JerleMinaraI'm not keeping track 50-some addons Industrial
18:34.53Industriali am
18:34.54kenlyricyeah, the curse updater is insane about that. No indication what it updates
18:34.59Industrialits very easy
18:35.02JerleMinarawhy bother?
18:35.04dafireskilless players do need more addons
18:35.05JerleMinarathat's what software's for dude
18:35.12kenlyricI just check the folder update times
18:35.19Industrialyeah, like rss and a favorites list on wowinterface.com
18:35.25AdirelleCC .14 may display a log window
18:35.37Industrialthen , when something updated i go read what changed
18:35.38JerleMinarai just fire up WUU and hit f10 whenever I launch wow and i don't have to worry about it
18:35.39Repo10hits-mode: 03Allara * r44 Locales/HitsMode.enUS.lua: HitsMode:
18:35.39Repo- [1] Fixed error: GetString: Unable to locate "GAINSRAGEFROM"
18:35.40kenlyricall my mods aren't on one website, that's what pisses me off
18:35.55JerleMinarakenlyric: http://wuu.vagabonds.info :V
18:35.59IndustrialJerleMinara: so you dont care wtf changed, and you just want the lates because its the best?
18:36.05dafiremy updater writes a html log and shows it in the browser after update :)
18:36.06JerleMinaraIf something updates I grab the changelog
18:36.14Industrial10000
18:36.17Industrial's of people dont
18:36.22JerleMinaraok
18:36.29JerleMinarai'm not sure how that's relevant to the conversation, but ok?
18:36.32Stanzilladafire: I still want your updater!
18:36.36Industrialand that anoys me. the fact that they can do that automatically
18:36.39JerleMinarawhy
18:36.43JerleMinarawhy does it annoy you what other people do?
18:36.45JerleMinaraget over it dude.
18:36.47Industrialwhen it breaks they will post on wowace
18:36.48kenlyricit's good to know that industrial's single mission has never changed
18:36.51JerleMinaraso ignore them?
18:36.54Industrialand i need to read it, again and again
18:36.56JerleMinarano you don't
18:37.03JerleMinarasee there's where your argument breaks down
18:37.03Industrialyes i do, because i go there too!
18:37.05kenlyricJerleMinara: he's been doing this for years, you might as well stop.
18:37.26JerleMinaraVonhinten: If the thread title resembles "HALP WHY DUZ MY ADDON NUT WORK", don't click it
18:37.28JerleMinaraerr
18:37.32JerleMinarastupid autocomplete
18:37.32JerleMinarahaha
18:37.48IndustrialJerleMinara: yet when I just tabbed to this channel i saw a convo about it
18:37.49dafireyou can ignore ppl in vbulletin :9
18:37.50Industrialso i whined back
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18:37.55JerleMinara....
18:37.59Industrialyes, every day.
18:38.02JerleMinarasee again this is where you make yourself look foolish
18:38.25JerleMinarajust because people are talking about something doesn't mean you have to inject yourself into said conversation because you have this horrible victim complex about the hordes who dare to be less savvy than you
18:38.29JerleMinaraoh mighty updater of the addons.
18:38.39JerleMinaraseriously dude, how's the view from that high on the horse? :)
18:38.40Bruners_i just timed my login now, embedded and not embedded. embedded used 2 seconds less time!
18:38.43kenlyricyou don't know industrial very well
18:39.05JerleMinarakenlyric: i don't but I get this feeling he's the type of guy that's better when you put him on the ignore list
18:39.20JerleMinaraBruners_: huh, that's interesting. never would have expected that
18:39.31dafireBruners_: you have to log in a thousand times until you get the time back that you have to find out what external you are missing and where those errors come from
18:39.43Gnarfozyou also seem to be that kind of person, for different reasons.
18:39.49JerleMinarain truth the 5 seconds isn't a big issue but I get kind of OCD about computer stuff, so I like having it all spread out and neatly organised :P
18:39.57JerleMinaraGnarfoz: aww, what reasons? Please do share
18:40.07EthanCentauraiBruners_: I assume you did embedded first, then disembedded. WoW caches addons and resets the cache (thus taking longer) if it detects a change.
18:40.10kenlyriclibs in their own folder is less organized...
18:40.14Industrialwanting me to stop talking because you disagree for one :)
18:40.15GnarfozI should time my logins w/ embedded/disembedded... if I could even get addons right now. CC just doesn't want to work right now :D
18:40.27Bruners_two different wow folders
18:40.39Bruners_samme addons only installed differently
18:40.41JerleMinarakenlyric: in one sense, yes, but at the same time you're not duplicating functionality across multiple places, wasting space!
18:40.48Gnarfozanyway, it takes *ages* with disembedded already. it's not going to be faster embedded :>
18:40.59Bruners_tested 3 times for each one
18:41.19IndustrialJerleMinara: if I have something to say about a subject why wouldnt i say it?
18:41.22dafirethe advantage got smaller because libraries got smaller ... the heavy ace2 times are over
18:41.43IndustrialJerleMinara: you found it interesting enough to talk about, isn't that enough reason alone?
18:41.55Gnarfozdafire: uhh right, like half of my addons are still ace2 :D
18:42.01Industrialand I'm not enforcing my opinion too. I'm just stating it
18:42.07dafireGnarfoz: you are doing it wrong
18:42.16Gnarfozno, it's just lots of addons. :(
18:42.49Bruners_atleast 20 of my addons are ace2
18:43.02dafirethen look for better alternatives :)
18:43.05Stanzillamy only ace2 addons left are grid and bigwigs
18:43.19kenlyricwhat, who even pays attention to what libs their addons use?
18:43.20kenlyriczzzz
18:43.23kenlyricas long as it isn't cosmos
18:43.42IndustrialJerleMinara: I _think_ it's a backwards concept. I believe software works when it does what it was made for. Not updating something doesn't mean its broken. This is what many people think and thus they need everything they have the latest version. the easier they can get it the better.
18:43.58Industrialand when shit does hit fans (every day) I get to read about it \o/
18:44.12Stanzillauhhhh
18:44.15dafirebecause you don't have to disembed if you don't use addons that use a shitload of libraries .)
18:44.17Stanzillaand Enhanced Colour Picker!
18:44.32Industrialor just dont disembed at all
18:44.35Bruners_Industrial: for bosstimers and the like updating is often important
18:44.52Industrialand addons should use stable libraries too. so if it breaks it doesnt break 100 versions
18:45.05Industrialso you have 2 versions of 1 library running, tough shit. a little memory extra
18:45.20Industrialer, 100 addons*
18:45.24Industrialmakes sense, right?
18:45.35Industrialthats what the embedding is for in the first place
18:45.41Industriallet more then 1 versions coexist
18:45.53Industrialversion* (sorry, typos)
18:45.55nevcairielnot really
18:46.00dafireIndustrial: no
18:46.01nevcairielthe libs update
18:46.06Industrialminors, yes.
18:46.06nevcairieland the old version gets thrown out
18:46.31Industrialbut minors are bug fixes, not new shiny featurs to base your addons on
18:46.51Bruners_embedded takes up about 10mb more for the addons i use
18:46.59Industrialand you dont have 10MB ram?
18:47.08Bruners_speaking of diskspace now
18:47.16Industrialand you dont have 10MB diskspace?
18:47.20Bruners_and its not an issue :P
18:47.35Bruners_atm i have about 1TB free
18:47.45Industrialso why ever include it in an auto updater to rip addons apart and throw them together automatically?
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18:48.00Industriali dont want my addon being touched :P
18:48.03JerleMinarawhy not?
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18:48.14Industrialcause its _always_ problems
18:48.19JerleMinarathat's what id on't get, why crusade against the ability of people to save that 10 megs of diskspace or 10 megs of ram
18:48.24JerleMinaraif they want to do it, that's their prerogative
18:48.46kenlyricbecause it's computers
18:48.57kenlyricgotta have a religion somewhere..
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18:49.34Bruners_wasted ram is still wasted ram be it 10mb or 100mb
18:49.38Industrialbecause they made an issue out of something then totally blew it up and wowace exploded into what it is today
18:50.12Industrialand i just disagreed with the way things went (and still do)
18:50.40Bruners_what was the discussion about again ?:P
18:50.52dafireBruners_: but there is no wasted ram.. a library that is already loaded won't load again
18:51.10Industrialwhy people made auto updaters and why people need their libraries disembedded
18:51.19Industrialmore the latter
18:51.57Bruners_Industrial: auto update is just more of an extra feature to the updating software, why have to click update when the software can do it for you
18:52.00JerleMinarait just strikes me as fairly petty to get so incensed at the idea that someone out there is daring to disembed their stuff.
18:52.34IndustrialJerleMinara: not just someone, enough to make it so big an issue that theres an entire forum dedicated to it
18:52.42Industrialnow
18:53.03Paradox_on monday are we getting a new version of CC? hopefully with beta addon downloadability
18:53.08Paradox_AND disembedded libs!
18:53.15JerleMinarai was using someone in the sense that you would use the word "people"
18:53.34JerleMinaradon't read that forum. i could see your point if there was no forum and it was spread through the wowace forums, but.. it's not?
18:53.48JerleMinaraI don't know, I just don't get your perspective and I don't get why it's such a big deal to you. ah wel
18:53.53Industrialits even on the irc channel (where ive been hanging out since there were 4 people on it)
18:54.22JerleMinaragoing to go work out and head to blizzcon. fight the good fight industrial. continue the crusade, someone's gotta do it!
18:54.35Industrialmarches
18:55.20Industrialits just geekwars :P same as vim/emacs or tabs/spaces
18:55.37JerleMinarayeah I figured as much
18:55.44JerleMinarai find those sorts equally contemptible, but i'm glad we're on the same page!
18:55.58Industrial(for the record, vim and tabs)
18:56.02Industrial(*cough*)
18:56.59Elsia_emacs and you don't care for tabs/spaces arguments  anymore, it's in the scripts ;)
18:57.17JerleMinaralinux is for nerds, notepad++?
18:57.32JerleMinaraand "tabs/spaces was really an argument? *really*?"
18:57.35JerleMinaraand on that note, laters :P
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18:58.04Repo10yata: 03Tornhoof 07wotlk * r44 / (11 files in 2 directories): -Localization support
18:58.33IndustrialElsia_: yeah I just regexp all spaces to tabs anyway or gg=G :3
18:58.50Repo10yata: 03Tornhoof 07wotlk * r45 Localization/zhTW.lua: - Looks like i forgot one
19:01.35Elsia_geekwars are silly, little endian vs big endian? microkernal vs linux? ruby vs rails? embedded vs embossed? correct answer to all these: yes please! ;)
19:02.02Tornhoofembossed?
19:02.10IndustrialTornhoof: is too!
19:02.13Industrialhides
19:02.20Elsia_addons should be embossed onto your harddrive ;)
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19:02.39Elsia_advantage: only download once :
19:02.40Elsia_D
19:02.45Tornhoofi guess i don't follow ;)
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19:02.52Elsia_I'm just joking around
19:02.57dafirewe need an embedder that embedds all addons into one lua file for optimizations
19:03.13Tornhoofyeh thought so after thinking twice about embossed ;)
19:03.20Elsia_auto-unfolding all loops etc I'm up for that
19:03.27Industrialand then scrambles it and makes it copy itself over wow channels
19:03.46Industrialhave fun
19:03.47Elsia_all addons should be self-generating code
19:04.03Tornhoofyes someone write a lisp interpreter in lua
19:04.18Industrialand then implement lua in it
19:04.19Tornhoofor rather use lisp instead of lua in wow 4.0
19:04.35Industrialim in for python
19:04.36Industrial:p
19:04.48Elsia_as long as noone uses oberon it's ok
19:04.55Tornhoofhehe
19:05.14Tornhoofwhy not, I'm for programming language localized versions of wo
19:05.15Tornhoofw
19:05.24Tornhoofso no enGB locale, but a LISP locale
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19:06.10Elsia_wonder what would be the most painful language to write addons in
19:06.18Tornhoofbrainfuck
19:06.20Elsia_lambda calculus?
19:06.24nevcairielwhitespace
19:06.57Erica647machine language?
19:07.26Industrialhm, yesterday I made a normal to reverse polish notation converter.. in java :P
19:07.27Erica647Hey Sek... Lyndi here
19:07.41Industrial(I had to, not like I did it for fun >_>)
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19:08.01Tornhoofwhat does reverse polish notation look like?
19:08.17Elsia_2 3 + 5 - =
19:08.29Elsia_(2+3)-5=
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19:08.49Industrial523+-
19:08.52Elsia_it's parse order basically, easy for machines to read
19:09.04Tornhoofah yes i remember
19:09.13Elsia_so some old calculators used it, because they sucked at storing even minimal data
19:09.40Elsia_we are dating ourselves but oh well :D
19:09.45Pneumatusbasically written in the order that values/operations are pushed onto the stack?
19:09.50Elsia_yes
19:10.40Tornhoofheh dunno when i last heard about that, must be some 10 years ago in university or something
19:10.50Industrialyeah it was a stack excercise (for uni! :D)
19:11.01Elsia_the very early TI calculators used it, for real... and those were expensive in the days
19:11.17Pneumatusone of my final year modules was to extend the 'hoc' bison compiler
19:11.32Elsia_bisons are nice animals
19:11.34SunTsuI have a HP48GX who does rpn
19:11.40Erica647Can anyone tell me if there are any good and free irc clients that don't expire after 30 days... and work on Windows?
19:12.01Bruners_Erica647: irssi
19:12.02Industrialxchat
19:12.08Industrialirssi only runs with cygwin
19:12.32Erica647I have xchat but it says it expires in 30 days
19:12.37Industrialor.. there might be standalones with the cygwin dll ripped out
19:12.45Elsia_mirc is actually worth the one-time shareware fee
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19:12.50Industrialtheres an open source build
19:12.53Elsia_and you can use it past 30 days if you want
19:13.06Industrialhttp://www.silverex.org/news/
19:13.07sbmhh
19:13.13Bruners_just be bad ass and use a pirated serial
19:13.27Bruners_not that i promote using priated software
19:13.36sbmirc isnt that expensive...
19:14.10Erica647ok thanks... gonna check those out
19:14.35Tornhoofhydrairc should be fine too
19:15.44TrelaAny one know if there is a way to force Curse to update with WoWAce?
19:15.57Bruners_Erica647: Chatzilla if you use firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16
19:15.58Erica647Thanks Torn... trying Hydra now
19:17.17IndustrialNimbleRabit: ping
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19:18.30fewynsomeone help me decide on my leveling spec for my lock in wotlk
19:19.21Industrialaffliction
19:19.26Industrialcause it will pwn
19:19.33SunTsufewyn: I am going affliction again
19:19.37Industrialand is generally very fun to play, cause you are just playing with other people
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19:20.03CyrezIt really depends on whether you're going PvE or PvP or both, IMHO.
19:20.05fewyni leveled 1-51 demo and 51-70 as affliction but with all the changes i'm not sure
19:20.10fewyni said leveling
19:20.15fewynnot a 80 spec =p
19:20.31Industrialim affliction all the way >_>
19:20.44Industrial(only 59 now tho)
19:20.48fewynthat's what i'm going to do at 80
19:21.00CyrezWant enough in Demo to beef up at least your Void, and the rest really depends on your personal style.
19:21.06Industrialwell affliction doesnt have downtime ever so good for leveling right?
19:21.08fewyni just wonder if demo might make it easier to level?
19:21.15SunTsuI was affliction until 1100 Spelldamage and loved leveling with it. And now that affliction even uses crit for dots
19:21.22fewyni used to use my VW a lot while leveling
19:21.32fewyni actually haven't summoned him in a long ass time
19:21.36Industriali only ever used my imp after level 25
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19:21.50Industrialonly to tap
19:21.56Industrialer, dark pact
19:22.07fewyni only have a pet out for dp
19:22.10erica647Hydra is awesome  :)
19:22.13Industrialand you can take on 3 mobs at the same time, win, and not have downtime :P
19:23.08fewynneed to decide on an exact spec then
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19:24.19CyrezBeef up your Void and put the rest of your points into sucking the live out of everything.
19:24.56Bruners_hmm, mirk checks your serial online now?
19:25.10fewynmirk?
19:25.14Arrowmastermirc?
19:25.23Bruners_mirc yes
19:25.52Cyrezzips his lips.
19:26.21Arrowmasterwow this speed test is perty fail
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19:26.27Stanzillahttp://www.kvirc.de/?id=&lang=en
19:26.29Stanzillaimo
19:26.38Arrowmastertheres no way my cable is 19448 kbps
19:26.54Arrowmasterseems to not be clearing its own cache
19:27.46Industrialfewyn: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IfxrrurhoiVRcstbxc0c ?
19:28.43fewynhttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IcxrbhbNoVAohot0xhZM maybe something like that to start out as?
19:28.46IndustrialI didnt take Soul Link on purpose cause that'd hurt the pet and your life leeches dont heal the pet meaning you'd have to heal it all the time
19:28.59Industrialwhich is anoying imo
19:29.17Industrialbut i never use it to take damage anyway :P
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19:31.01Industrialjust fear :3
19:31.19stew_ai don't suppose anyone knows of a good string similarity algorithm? i need to check how similar 2 strings are, but not equal, similar
19:31.27SunTsu.o0( If you can fear it you can kill it )
19:31.39Industrialstew_a: I'd ask that in #lua
19:31.56IndustrialSunTsu: yes, </3 undeads
19:32.07stew_aah good point
19:32.17Industriali just shadowbolt them to death :<
19:32.28SunTsuIndustrial: I really love them at the moment, leveling paladin in dusk wood
19:32.32Industrialhehe
19:33.39SunTsuWhat I dislike is the change to CoR, no more controlled fear
19:34.04SunTsuCurse juggling was really fun
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19:35.01ZhinjioZeksie: ping
19:35.02Groktarbads couldn't do it so they had to remove it
19:36.26SunTsuGroktar: Maybe there were too many complaints about tanks getting a heart attack.. "ZOMG! Don't fear! DONT FEAR!"
19:37.04Groktarhehe
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19:37.40Groktari'm pretty sure it really was because bads couldn't do it
19:37.48Groktarblizzard explained their reasoning once
19:39.23GroktarCurse juggling was a very hardcore tactic. Yes, it demonstrated mastery of the class mechanics, but it also made groups reluctant to have the lock fear at all, because it wasn't easy to do.
19:39.41Groktartranslation: bads can't do it
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19:43.10Repo10hits-mode: 03Allara * r45 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Removed revision number from options window
19:43.12Zyndromemassive lag atm @ Wintergrasp on beta :(
19:44.14Repo10hits-mode: 03Allara 04r46-release * r46 : Tagging as r46-release.
19:48.19Repo10mendeleev: 03Rabbit * r226 / (4 files in 1 directory):
19:48.21RepoInitial removal of Ace2, still needs some cleanup and the options should be made nicer.
19:51.10[SW]Dodgesomeone here who has expirience with creating ouf layouts?
19:52.26vhaarr~asktoask
19:52.27purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
19:52.49[SW]Dodgehehe okay :)
19:53.11Bruners_the toggle auto updated in curse client does what?
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19:55.38[SW]Dodgecurrently i'm trying to make my own layout based on ouf_classic there they have a ["size"] = 'small' in the second oUF:RegisterStyle() call, the size setting is used in the "func" function there and it gets the value as parameter, is there a way to get it somewhere else too? (i want/need it in PostUpdateHealth function)
19:56.11[SW]DodgeBruners_: it should enable auto update of your addons. but afaik this requires premium
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19:57.11Bruners_[SW]Dodge: but isnt that already turned on in configuration->addon settings?
19:57.31vhaarr[SW]Dodge: just store it as a property on the frame and access it there?
19:57.35Bruners_[SW]Dodge: if i check toggle auto update the addons turns red
19:57.51[SW]DodgeBruners_: then it disables the autoupdate maybe
19:58.02[SW]Dodgevhaarr: grml... yea... thats a nice idea xD
19:58.04[SW]Dodgethanks :P
19:58.21vhaarr:p
20:03.10NimbleRabitIndustrial, ?
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20:09.20Repo10crit-spit: 03Rabbit * r27 CritSpit.lua:
20:09.21RepoAdd a LDB display, nothing is embedded so some other addon must have it.
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20:14.26grennonsupplying a defaults table breaks acedb?
20:15.15JoshBorkegrennon: false!
20:17.38IndustrialNimbleRabit: Are you "Nimbal" ?
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20:17.41IndustrialNimbleRabit: >_>
20:18.01NimbleRabitnope
20:18.06Industrialaw, ok, sorry then :P
20:18.09NimbleRabitlol np
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20:21.26Gnarfoz;D
20:21.36Gnarfozsomeone's trying to sell his beta account in trade chat :D
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20:21.51[SW]Dodgeok... again i see that it is HARD to  code if there is a cool movie in TV :/
20:22.25SunTsu[SW]Dodge: Hm, hard to prove since there normally is hardly a good movie on TV
20:22.55[SW]DodgeSunTsu: paytv :P
20:23.38[SW]Dodges/paytv/(free) paytv/
20:23.39[SW]Dodge^^
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20:28.26JoshBorkedoes Ace3 support modules?
20:28.31[SW]Dodgeyeqa
20:28.34[SW]Dodge-q
20:29.06[SW]DodgeYourAddon:NewModule("name" [,libs...])
20:29.37JoshBorkemmk, thanks
20:29.43grennonalright, when testing my ace3 based mod on beta, i get as far as calling aceconfigdialog now, at which points it barfs on no instance of acegui-3.0
20:29.55grennoni double checked and made sure acegui was in the toc file
20:30.12grennonand in the path the toc file specified
20:31.04JoshBorkethen you're doing something wrong :D
20:31.10grennonobviously
20:31.33grennonmy wife reminds me of that several times a day in fact
20:32.40JoshBorkeit probably has to do with the order listed
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20:36.03grennonorder listed in the toc?
20:36.08JoshBorkegrennon: correct
20:40.49grennonokay, putting acegui before aceconfig in the toc seemed to have fixed that
20:45.38backbone87is it possible to remove the button from multiline textboxes within aceconfig? e.g. for read only but copyable content?
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20:45.46[SW]Dodgesomeone knows if i can recruite-a-friend myself without creating a full account(no key for the recruited acc) and get the 3x ep for an alt on my account? (with dualboxing^^)
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20:47.14grennonwunderbar, got this mostly working now
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20:48.46grennoninterfaceoptionsframe_opentoframe no longer there in 3.0?
20:50.59nevcairielits OpenToCategory now
20:51.09nevcairieljust renamed
20:52.42grennonhrm, could i just check for the existence of that function and then use whichever one exists as a way to provide backward/forward compat til tuesday?
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20:53.47nevcairielsure
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20:59.35grennonyeah, thats nice
20:59.36grennonself.gui = InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToFrame or InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory
21:01.32TrelaMmm, sexy idea!
21:01.40Trelapointing to Grennon's idea.
21:01.56EthanCentaurai[SW]Dodge: no, you need to upgrade the trial account to a full account (you need a separate key) and buy two months of time for said account
21:02.08grennonyeah, it works great for a whole 3 days and then can be removed :-)
21:02.17grennonjust helps me keep dual-testing live/beta til then
21:02.26[SW]DodgeEthanCentaurai: damn!
21:03.36Adirelleis there a list of all the items that becomes "currencies" with the 3.0 ?
21:04.08Adirelle(or a way to extract it)
21:06.20Adirelleweird, tabletlib doesn't display any background anymore
21:11.31Repo10classtimer: 03ominous 06classtimer-wotlk * r271 Bars/Deathknight.lua: added some dk stuff thanks to waallen
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21:23.01Gnarfoznevcairiel: ping
21:23.12nevcairielhuh?
21:23.51Gnarfoznevcairiel: do you know if Mapster 'knows' Bloodcurse Isle (island off of Bloodmyst Isle, draenei start area) in regards to 'foglight'?
21:24.03nevcairielit does everything
21:24.06nevcairiel+know
21:24.27Gnarfozsure? :>
21:24.38nevcairielGnarfoz: i noticed a weirdness there though, it stayed red after discovering, try reload ui :P
21:24.43Gnarfozbecause the Cartographer Foglight module doesn't seem to handle it. shows it colored... yes.
21:24.46Gnarfozthat,.
21:24.55Gnarfozhmm reload you say?
21:25.01nevcairielif its red in the first place, it knows it
21:25.02Gnarfozmaybe it's the same problem ;)
21:25.04nevcairielits some weirdness
21:25.51Gnarfozseriously, sometimes I feel stupid talking to people in English when I know they know my 1st language, too ;D
21:26.01Gnarfozrandom observation. ;)
21:26.10Groktardevours Gnarfoz's soul
21:26.24Gnarfozhmm nope, stays "dark". I'll try Mapster.
21:27.35nevcairielit works for me
21:27.35nevcairielas i said, i have the full map discovered
21:27.36nevcairielbut i had to reload ui after i initially discovered it
21:27.36nevcairiel<.<
21:28.02Gnarfozwell, I *think* I have it discovered anyway
21:28.19Gnarfozbecause I didn't get a discovery message and I'm 100% certain I did the quests here when I leveled.
21:28.51Gnarfozbut still, it shows it greyed out. Cartographer_Foglight, that is. that hasn't been touched in quite a while though, so I'll give Mapster a try to check. ;)
21:29.25Gnarfozcome 3.0, I'll switch over anyway because Mr. 4 gigs of raw code will be too busy hacking on cf/wowace ;D
21:29.38Cheads=)
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21:29.43CheadsMapster is nice
21:30.04nevcairieli just recently revalidated all foglight data
21:30.10Groktarlikes mapster
21:30.18Groktarwhat's foglight?
21:30.38Gnarfozlifts the 'you haven't been here, yet' fog on the map
21:31.08Groktaris that different than mapster?
21:31.15Gnarfozhuh?
21:31.16Repo10minimalist: 03grennon * r74 / (2 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
21:31.17RepoMinimalist:
21:31.18RepoMade Blizz UI Frame call back/forward compat with 2.4/3.0
21:31.18Gnarfozit's a module of it =)
21:31.19RepoFixed embeds with 3.0 order
21:31.22RepoRemoved unused code
21:31.23Groktaro, ok
21:31.40Gnarfozactually, for Mapster, it's called "FogClear" but whatever
21:31.55Gnarfozit's the same as Cartographer's Foglight module, except not pseudo-abandoned
21:32.19nevcairieli optimized it some, too :P
21:32.24Gnarfoznevcairiel: yep, it's carto's not-being-updated-ness that was the culprit. it shows as discovered with Mapster =)
21:32.45ArrowmasterGnarfoz: try deleting the foglight/fogclear data from your saved vars
21:32.58Arrowmasterif the maps were changed you might have old data
21:33.09fewyni <3 foglight
21:33.13fewyni turned it solid black
21:33.17GnarfozArrowmaster: oh, good point. I keep forgetting it saves that even though nev has a full map anyway =)
21:33.17fewynwhen i went on my discovery trip
21:33.30GnarfozI have it set to 50% alpha black =)
21:33.31fewynso i could discover everything
21:33.41nevcairieli added a button to clear the saved data to Mapster
21:33.44nevcairielif it bugs out
21:33.47Gnarfozyeah I know
21:33.49fewyntook me 2 days to get everything discovered
21:33.52ArrowmasterGnarfoz: yeah really should make it save build number or something too and auto clear on new builds
21:34.26Gnarfoznevcairiel: actually... why does Mapster have a color picker without alpha? :<
21:34.29nevcairielArrowmaster: generally it really shouldnt be needed if the mod maintained, i only have it for me so i can copy the data out there
21:34.36GnarfozI can choose only color, not alpha of that color
21:34.37nevcairielGnarfoz: huh? it does have alpha
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21:35.17nevcairieli save it, too
21:35.30Gnarfoznevcairiel: hm nope? this is 1.0.3 live build and when I click on the color square in the fogclear options, I get a color circle + brightness slider :\
21:35.35Gnarfozbut no alpha
21:36.17nevcairielhm
21:36.20nevcairielchecks
21:36.33fewynyea
21:36.34fewynno alpha
21:36.38fewyni remember that specifically
21:37.11Gnarfoznevcairiel: lol, when toggling fogclear on and off repeatedly with bloodmyst isle open, that island off to the right I was talking about (Bloodcurse Isle) sometimes as a "halo" around it and somtimes it's fully blacked out...
21:37.17Gnarfozsomething strange is going on there ;)
21:37.28nevcairielthat part of the map is somehow bugged
21:37.48Gnarfozyou bet :X
21:38.47Gnarfoznevcairiel: does mapster do libguildpositions stuff, btw?
21:39.18nevcairielnot on its own
21:39.24nevcairielHandyNotes + HandyNotes_Guild
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21:39.49fewyndoes handynotes work in wrath?
21:40.02fewyni don't think i've tried it yet
21:40.16grennonholy shit
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21:40.23grennoni just found grepWin
21:40.36fewynxD
21:40.40Gnarfoz? whatsat
21:40.44JoshBorkeHOLY SHIT!!! nevcairiel: the wowace register page looks TERRIBLE
21:40.44Gnarfozalso, GnuWin32
21:40.47fewyngrep for windows =p
21:40.53grennonprogramming on windows is such torture without a good grep
21:41.00grennonand grepWin is pretty nice
21:41.24Gnarfoznevcairiel: ...handynotes is what, carto_notes clone? ^^
21:41.38GnarfozI suck at keeping track of all these singled-out carto module clones ;)
21:41.40grennongoing from using vi and unix utils all day at work to using gvim on windows at home from modding always felt like a regression
21:42.04grennonbut yeah, grepwin will help you find which files call a method you are looking for real fast
21:42.50grennoni found it a little while ago when i went to upgrade my tortoisesvn
21:43.10Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.0.3-1-g93b6f75 FogClear.lua: [+1 commit] Add Alpha configuration to the overlay color configuration
21:43.11Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07wrath * 1.0.3-WotLK-6-g5c4a4a6 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
21:43.13Repo5c4a4a6: Merge branch 'master' into wrath
21:43.17Repo93b6f75: Add Alpha configuration to the overlay color configuration
21:43.21Repo6e7e0e6: Fixed .pkgmeta syntax
21:43.23grennonin fact, MS should just replace that sorry animated dog search with that grepWin :-)
21:43.25Repoe271f38: Added .pkgmeta file
21:43.39nevcairielhm i didnt push for a while =P
21:43.44JoshBorkenevcairiel: heyt
21:44.14Arrowmasternevcairiel: spammer
21:51.15grennonOdlaw: heard you finally killed KJ this week
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21:58.15Repo10raid-cooldowns: 03tsigo * r8 / (2 files in 1 directory): RaidCooldowns:
21:58.16Repo- Add Priest/Guardian Spirit
21:58.17Repo- Update toc for 3.0
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22:04.05fewynso
22:04.17fewynbets on if the servers will die tuesday?
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22:10.22selckinwon't be patch!
22:10.42nevcairielfewyn: beta should stay online, northrend isnt live yet =P
22:10.45nevcairielptr will die
22:11.17fewynno i meant the wowace servers =p
22:11.42nevcairieloh
22:11.47nevcairielnah doubt it
22:11.53nevcairielmass updating will be through curse
22:12.12fewynyea
22:12.27fewynbut there's going to be MASS updating
22:12.37nevcairielnot everything breaks
22:12.40nevcairielnot like 2.0
22:12.45Fisker-noone will be premium
22:12.47Fisker-everyone will be like
22:12.49Fisker-"GOOOOOOOD"
22:12.59Fisker-and hate Curse for all eternity :(
22:13.04fewynxD
22:13.19fewynif premium comes out before 3.0.2 i'll pay for it anyways
22:13.44SpennigI just hope the curse stuff notices the updated mods before 3.0 >_>
22:14.16fewynwell i switched it to using alpha builds, seems most everything works that i checked to see if it worked in beta
22:15.00Fisker-So SC2 beta soon i guess
22:15.12fewynprobably
22:15.16fewynwithin 6 months
22:15.21Fisker-nah
22:15.23Fisker-within the month
22:15.24Fisker-~
22:15.30fewynwhich is within 6 months
22:15.42Fisker-But the remaining 5 isn't
22:15.54fewyn=p
22:15.56Chompersdamn wow radio stream
22:15.59Chompersstop buffering
22:16.02Fisker-So you might as well go batshit retarded and say "Within the end of time"
22:16.06Chompersi wanna hear the class panel
22:16.07fewynyep
22:16.13fewyni don't think anyone is airing it :(
22:16.24fewyni think wcradio is doing the d3 panel
22:16.41Chompersthey're doing both
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22:16.48Fisker-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWI <-I wonder how quickly you'd be banned for redirecting that to WorldWide Invitational? :D
22:16.51fewynwhere's the class panel?
22:17.41Chompershttp://media2.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls
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22:19.21fewynew having latency issues with the feed :(
22:20.22nevcairielclass panel feed is broken
22:20.26nevcairielthats why we listen to d3 =P
22:21.16fewyn=p
22:21.20fewynI DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO D3
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22:42.29[SW]Dodge~API GetDifficultyColor
22:42.29purlhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetDifficultyColor
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22:46.17Repo10xperl: 03Zeksie * r188 / (30 files in 17 directories):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
22:46.17RepoXPerl:
22:46.18Repo- Address some issues with POM animation. Hopefully should no longer get the occasional stuck sparkle.
22:46.21Repo- Fixed the Party members health numbers being replaced by percentage.
22:46.25Repo- Small performance optimizing for LibHealthComm handler.
22:50.44Repo10dhud2: 03Arcanefoam 042.0Alpha * r50 / (2 files in 1 directory): DHUD2:
22:50.45Repo-Added new default table. Options still don't change but you can now see how the values change in the UI.
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22:53.52RaydenUniwhen is patch? tuesday?
22:54.10Chomperslooks like it
22:54.13Chompersnothing official though
22:54.53Repo10hits-mode: 03Allara * r47 Locales/HitsMode.enUS.lua:
22:54.55Repo- [3] Fixed error: GetString: Unable to locate "GAINSENERGYFROM"
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22:56.58KeiasThey said at BlizzCon that a "big patch is coming tuesday"
22:57.12KeiasForgot which panel though :(
22:57.28Gnarfozit's pretty glaring obvious that it's next week.
22:57.56Gnarfozarena season snapshot + modified hallow's end stuff that's not yet in the game starts 2 days afterwards? when else if not then! :D
22:58.29Spennig::grins:: careful, we can't expect Blizz to make sense tho.
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22:59.33Zeksieanyone else getting strange reports of ace errors popping up? i know the problem is prolly a conflicting ace2 module somewhere, but if anyone has any info that's more exact, it'd be helpful to forward on to users.
22:59.43ZeksiePoor things have lost WAU and are struggling :)
22:59.52Arrowmasterno
23:00.10Arrowmasterunless you can actually give an error message
23:00.14SpennigI am actually in the process of re-doing all my addons from that >_< trying to just switch to the CC was ugly.
23:00.42StanzillaI bet it's lib upgrading
23:00.48ZeksieArrowmaster: a few examples:  http://www.wowace.com/projects/zomgbuffs/tickets/13-library-errors/
23:01.10Zeksieis obviously an embed issue. but what exactly, i'm not sure
23:01.17Arrowmasteroh thats bug
23:01.22Arrowmasteroh that bug
23:01.28Arrowmastertheres only one fix
23:01.34Zeksieshoot
23:01.48Arrowmasterstop using anything that uses AceOO-2.0
23:02.04Arrowmasterwhich includes all of Ace2
23:02.15Zeksiefunny
23:02.16Gnarfoz...
23:02.18Gnarfoznot
23:02.21Arrowmasterim serious
23:02.31Arrowmasterits some flaw in AceOO-2.0
23:02.32Gnarfozalso: what's the standalone replacement for Carto_instanceloot called again?
23:02.58Arrowmasterwe tried to track it down last year but gave up
23:03.11Zeksieok..
23:03.21nevcairielGnarfoz: InstanceLoot =P
23:03.36Gnarfoznevcairiel: thought so, too - where's it at, though?
23:03.47Arrowmasterif they install the most recent standalone Ace2 i bet the errors would go away though
23:03.54nevcairieldunno
23:03.56Gnarfozhttp://www.wowace.com/projects/?search=instanceloot :[
23:04.01Gnarfoznot on wowi, either
23:04.17Fisker-burn in righteous fire Zeksie
23:04.17nevcairieloh wait
23:04.18Fisker->:3
23:04.21ZeksieArrowmaster: was gonna suggest that, cos I've never had such a problem
23:04.21nevcairielthere only was InstanceMaps
23:04.33Gnarfozand that includes that?
23:04.44ArrowmasterZeksie: yeah and neither did any of us trying to track that damn bug down, because we all used disembeded
23:04.45nevcairielmaybe
23:04.46nevcairielnot sure
23:04.47nevcairiel:D
23:05.08GnarfozI hate half-assed clones that are better solely because they're rewrites... but incomplete
23:05.12GnarfozxD
23:05.33Gnarfozyeah, there's a loot.lua in there
23:06.04ArrowmasterZeksie: hmm ill have to check, seems somebody did a commit to Ace2 after i did
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23:06.09Arrowmasterso there is an alpha version
23:06.26Arrowmasterwhich will be embedded but not in standalone
23:07.14nevcairielprobably only my upgrade path fix
23:08.13Arrowmasterupgrade path fix?
23:09.21nevcairieli bumped all minors of all libs
23:10.14ZeksieArrowmaster: yeah, i run disembeded too. only way that 'feels' right :)
23:10.16GnarfozKemayo: so, did you notice that InstanceMaps has utf problems all over the place? :D
23:10.34GnarfozKemayo: almost every string in it displays as ? or ?? :D
23:10.39Zeksieone thought though, because of the new version numbering, it's going to break the detection of MINOR_VERSION? if that's not already re-coded?
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23:12.43Arrowmasterok i edited the alpha zip to be release now
23:12.44Repo10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.15b-4-g81de0d3 Macros.lua: [+1 commit] fix macro tooltips
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23:13.23ArrowmasterZeksie: thats what nevcairiel's commit fixed
23:13.24nevcairielhm only 60 libs left on my list that i probably would need to fix LoD wise
23:13.43Zeksieok. will point them to that in the first instance.
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23:14.35Arrowmasteri hadnt fixed it because i was told that during the import, svn:keywords were SUPPOST to be removed from everything and the original values of those keywords left in the file
23:16.13Repo10mounted: 03yssaril 040.0.16b * 50efbd2 /: [new tag] fix macro tooltips
23:17.15nevcairielArrowmaster: actually, the script i wrote and ran was supposed to run during import, virtually inflating all numbers
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23:17.42nevcairielbut somehow it was forgotten
23:17.45Zeksie:)
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23:18.18Zeksieit's like anniversarries. You fully intend on buying flowers, and you're almost as surprised as she is when you turn up empty handed..
23:18.38nevcairiellol
23:18.57Spennig>_<
23:20.47Repo10ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets: 03yssaril * r7 AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets.toc: remove LoD so it will load in 3.0
23:25.20Stanzillawas that the start of a commit flood nev? :P
23:25.21nevcairielArrowmaster check the list of libs i posted on teh forums, somehow it feels too short, but oh well, sleep now
23:25.28nevcairielno
23:25.31Arrowmasterhuh?
23:25.44Stanzillanice, how I failed to see that yss commited that
23:25.49Stanzillaneed sleep :>
23:25.50nevcairielhttp://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=242081#post242081
23:26.09nevcairielthats all the libs that dont use LibRock or AceLibrary as load manager
23:26.18nevcairielat least i think that =P
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23:27.20Arrowmasterwell there will still be other issues
23:27.43nevcairielwhats that?
23:28.00Arrowmasterlike im not sure but i think i might have used LibStub("SomeAce2Lib") in places while fixing up old stuff
23:28.10|Yssaril|Stanzilla: that was me cause it wasnt on nevs list since its not really a lib
23:28.16nevcairielmeh your own fault then
23:28.24Arrowmasteryeah who cares really
23:28.29Arrowmasterits blizzards fault anyway
23:28.42Arrowmasterbecause im 100% sure this has to be a bug
23:28.58Arrowmasterfrom how theyve kept fucking up the addon load stuff
23:29.25nevcairielI'll probably run the script tomorrow then, need to get Repo down before
23:29.40nevcairielbut really sleep now :)
23:29.47|Yssaril|nevcairiel: jsut keep it up and see what happens :)
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23:30.18nevcairiel50 commits?
23:30.24nevcairieldoesnt sound too smart
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23:30.42|Yssaril|you think repo would break?
23:30.56nevcairielit would spam us to hell
23:30.58nevcairielor flood out
23:31.13|Yssaril|hehe
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23:34.21Arrowmasterwhy the fuck doesnt vB have a strikethrough
23:35.49Repo10dhud2: 03Nevcairiel * r51 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fix embeds.xml and .pkgmeta
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23:36.56fewynit does doesn't it?
23:37.06fewyni'm pretty sure it does
23:37.41Repo10xperl: 03Zeksie * r189 / (3 files in 1 directory): XPerl: Version bumped to 2.4.3g.
23:38.10fewynoh
23:38.12fewynnot by default
23:38.17fewynVulcanus
23:38.18fewyn!
23:38.25fewyngo add a strikethrough bbcodde
23:38.36Vulcanusmeh, why XD
23:38.50fewynbecause i said so
23:38.56fewynand that's reason enough imo
23:39.02grennoncaptain skyshatter is my mortal enemy now
23:39.08fewynme too
23:39.36Repo10xperl: 03Zeksie 042.4.3g * r190 : Tagging as 2.4.3g.
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23:40.43ArrowmasterVulcanus: because smart people use strikethroughs! and we like to think were smart people!
23:41.11Vulcanuspsh
23:41.28fewyndo it
23:41.41Arrowmasterseriously though, it would be useful
23:41.49fewynDO IT
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23:43.55KriLL3grennon: why?
23:44.54VulcanusArrowmaster: [strike]text[/strike]
23:45.11ArrowmasterVulcanus: k
23:45.19grennonKriLL3: because i cant beat him :-)
23:45.27KriLL3I did second try
23:45.29Vulcanus"k"? I believe the proper term is "thank you" =p
23:45.55ArrowmasterVulcanus: I SHOULDNT HAVE HAD TO ASK YOU TO INSTALL IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
23:45.58KriLL3it's easier if you have a crop or a paladin wingman btw, stick close to his tail and most of his attacks hits him
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23:46.10ArrowmasterVulcanus: <3
23:46.14VulcanusYes you should, nobody uses it except the people who try to be funny :p
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23:47.36nevcairielArrowmaster: so not fixing the obsolete libs gets the authors to fix their junk faster eh? :D
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23:47.48Arrowmasternevcairiel: yes
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23:48.35Mytosis there some way that i can make it so it doesnt ask me if i wanna reenchant an item while im trying to level my enchanting?
23:48.51VulcanusOMG. I PATCH GAEM N NOW MY ADON DUN WERK. CURS CLEINT SUXX, I GONA SUE U GAIZ
23:49.44nevcairielHm elkano wrote LibInventory-2.1
23:49.48nevcairielwonder wtf he uses it for
23:49.53Mytosspeakin of curse client, whats the deal with it putting its own addon in my interface folder
23:50.09VulcanusBlame the execs of Curse
23:50.18Vulcanusthey didn't want kolie to allow it to be uninstalled
23:50.20ArrowmasterMytos: disable it if you want, it will stay disabled
23:50.26Vulcanussucks, I know, I just disable it within the game
23:50.41Mytosi think its just creepy
23:50.42Arrowmasterjust consider it cost of doing business, like ads
23:50.49KriLL3CC is an adware installer now?
23:50.51Arrowmasterits just a dataminer for wowdb
23:51.04Mytosit makes me very wary of the fact that nowadays wowace is basically merging with curse
23:51.05nevcairielyou can uninstall it from the updater
23:51.15Vulcanusoh? you couldn't before
23:51.30nevcairieli think it was added
23:51.44Vulcanusha
23:51.45Vulcanusawesome
23:52.36Mytosanyways, im leveling enchanting with an alt, it wouldnt be nearly so bad if i didnt have to confirm if i wanted to redo the enchant on the item im using to level, anyone have a suggestion?
23:56.35Mytosanybody?
23:57.10fewynyou can make a short addon i think
23:57.11Spennig<-- clueless and lurking in hopes that intelligence will seep in.
23:57.28fewyni pieced one together once somehow
23:57.44fewynlet me see if i can find it
23:59.07fewynAh yep and it still works

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