| 00:00.30 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: why is it buggy if it's working fine for a lot of people? |
| 00:00.49 | Arrowmaster | because it is |
| 00:01.12 | KriLL3 | Love being in the EU btw, we're annexed from the interesting discussions on the US boards and any interaction with blues :( |
| 00:01.30 | Jaxon | Both a blessing and a curse. |
| 00:01.35 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: your chair is horribly frail and will break at any second, even if it's working just fine right now! |
| 00:01.37 | Xinhuan | or pay $13 USD a month for access :) |
| 00:01.54 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: you need a US credit card from what I understand |
| 00:02.00 | Xinhuan | you can pay by paypal |
| 00:02.05 | Xinhuan | or prepaid card |
| 00:02.10 | KriLL3 | paypal is fail |
| 00:02.11 | Arrowmaster | KriLL3: now if you had done maintaince on my chair for half a year i might believe you |
| 00:02.12 | Xinhuan | so US credit card is not needed |
| 00:03.06 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: I used some replacements for cart2 until it got a 3.0.2 release that wasn't beta/alpha, can't say I see any problems |
| 00:03.22 | ckknight | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/878989144.html |
| 00:03.24 | Arrowmaster | KriLL3: there is no 3.x release that isnt beta |
| 00:03.30 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Sayclub * r78 GridStatusHots_locale.lua: koKR update |
| 00:04.12 | KriLL3 | doesn't seem to be any pre 3.x releases that aren't beta/alpha either... |
| 00:04.29 | Xinhuan | /popcorn |
| 00:04.39 | Arrowmaster | because i deleted them so people wouldnt get them and say they were broken |
| 00:04.47 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 00:04.58 | mitchnull | ag: ok, thanks for the feedback btw. I'll do the buttonsmashdelay thing, too (after adding backdrops to RangeDisplay) |
| 00:05.06 | doom0r | ckknight: i like the part that basically says you must be big |
| 00:05.31 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: in what ways does the bugs manifest? troublesome code? performance? |
| 00:05.41 | Arrowmaster | old code |
| 00:05.52 | Josh_Borke | ckknight: too bad you moved |
| 00:06.00 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: Ace1/2? |
| 00:06.06 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:06.07 | ckknight | I was never in LA anyway |
| 00:06.20 | Josh_Borke | you were on the west coast! it's all the same! |
| 00:06.41 | KriLL3 | godless heathens the lot of them! |
| 00:06.44 | KriLL3 | ;) |
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| 00:08.15 | Arrowmaster | too bad i live on the other side of the country |
| 00:08.55 | Josh_Borke | also a month late |
| 00:08.58 | Josh_Borke | but you know |
| 00:09.01 | Josh_Borke | thanks for playing |
| 00:15.26 | Repo | 10inventory-on-par: 03Pericles * r77 InventoryOnPar.lua: InventoryOnPar: - |
| 00:15.26 | Repo | fix update to 2 decimal places |
| 00:15.52 | Repo | 10inventory-on-par: 03Pericles 04v11.04 * r78 : InventoryOnPar: - |
| 00:15.53 | Repo | Release 11.04 to Curse.com |
| 00:17.07 | FroMaster | @seen nymbia |
| 00:17.13 | Jaxon | ~ |
| 00:17.20 | FroMaster | guess not |
| 00:17.23 | Repo | 10chocolatebar: 03yess * r4 / (5 files in 1 directory): added basic options |
| 00:17.25 | Jaxon | ~seen nymbia |
| 00:17.28 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 20d 23h 45m ago, saying: 'lUa?'. |
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| 00:17.56 | FroMaster | meh.. guess he stopped playing |
| 00:18.05 | NivFreak | services seem a bit fucked up |
| 00:19.31 | Xinhuan | ~seen iriel |
| 00:19.32 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 19h 39m 36s ago, saying: 'House sweet house, I should have done that ages ago!'. |
| 00:20.37 | linear` | anyone know what the args are |
| 00:20.38 | linear` | for "ARENA_TEAM_ROSTER_UPDATE" |
| 00:20.42 | Zhinjio | Arrowmaster: what criteria do you use, would you say, to determine if a mob is "vulnerable" (and therefor, hits/crits against them should be ignored) |
| 00:20.50 | Zhinjio | or anyone for that matter |
| 00:20.55 | Xinhuan | linear`: register for it with arguments (...) and then do print(...) ;p |
| 00:21.14 | Arrowmaster | any mob thats known to take more damage than normal |
| 00:21.40 | Arrowmaster | see the exclusion list in fubar_topscorefu |
| 00:21.48 | Zhinjio | nods. ok. |
| 00:21.51 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 00:22.12 | Arrowmaster | the naxx ones are probably invalid now |
| 00:22.49 | Arrowmaster | and the idea could probably be expanded to include a bitmask of damage types |
| 00:23.20 | Arrowmaster | since like the mother shaz exclusion doesnt really count for physical damage |
| 00:24.39 | Antiarc | NeoTron: Oh, I thought you meant it was a bug. It looks really cool. |
| 00:24.42 | Zhinjio | I'll do some more research then. |
| 00:25.27 | Xinhuan | the in game character statistics also has "highest hit" recorded fyi |
| 00:25.40 | Xinhuan | although it doesn't filter out mobs |
| 00:25.58 | Xinhuan | same for highest heal done |
| 00:27.31 | Zhinjio | nods. I'm aware. |
| 00:27.56 | Zhinjio | its kind of dumb though. Lay on Hands counts and could be like... 20k |
| 00:28.27 | Arrowmaster | or make a deathknight and watch it never record a new high hit or heal from lvl 58 to 80 |
| 00:28.27 | Xinhuan | well a heal is a heal.. |
| 00:28.40 | Zhinjio | yup. |
| 00:28.49 | Zhinjio | and thats why the one number in your summary isn't good enough for me *grin* |
| 00:32.10 | NeoTron | Antiarc: not a bug, just creative use |
| 00:32.57 | NeoTron | Antiarc: Not sure if it's something baseline LibBars could use. It's basically just a custom "spark" |
| 00:33.18 | Antiarc | yeah. I like it. |
| 00:33.20 | Jaxon | NeoTron: I like it and demand a cooldown bars addon with that style. |
| 00:33.21 | NeoTron | except it's not sparky :P I did notice that a bar couldn't have value 0 though. made for a funny result |
| 00:33.44 | Xinhuan | just make it 0.000001 if its 0 |
| 00:33.49 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: already done and checked in |
| 00:34.31 | NeoTron | Jaxon: I plan to add DK spell cooldowns.. but perhaps I'll make a general spell cooldown addon |
| 00:35.06 | Jaxon | NeoTron: that'd be pretty cool. |
| 00:36.16 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I figured out I couldn't profile LibBars with Expo though - was trying to figure out if my code did something bad |
| 00:36.48 | NeoTron | I use an OnUpdate (unthrottled atm, but might add a throttle). Wondering if I should optimize the code to only sort the bars when the outcome would change |
| 00:37.08 | NeoTron | it's a bit hard though, without being able to play on an actual DK to know exactly when and how events fire |
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| 00:43.07 | Repo | 10cryolysis3: 03Paene * r75 Cryolysis3.lua: |
| 00:43.07 | Repo | Added a nil check to the item cacheing function to allow unimplemented classes to use the mod's core buttons. |
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| 00:46.18 | Repo | 10arl: 03Jim-Bim * r1040 ARLFrame.lua: AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:46.19 | Repo | - clear focus of search editbox after search reset |
| 00:46.21 | Repo | - remove unclickable area above and under the editbox |
| 00:46.25 | Repo | - use grey textcolor for disabled sorting button |
| 00:46.48 | NeoTron | wht I do know is that my own update method takes 0.1 - 0.2 ms per iteration or so |
| 00:46.50 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r16 / (2 files in 2 directories): - deDE fixes (Thanks SunTsu!) |
| 00:46.50 | Repo | - lowlevel mob checking added |
| 00:46.50 | Repo | - fix for reload requirement nonsense |
| 00:46.52 | Repo | - database upgrade logic fixed |
| 00:48.15 | Repo | 10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio 041.6-release * r17 : Tagging as 1.6-release |
| 00:49.02 | Repo | 10cryolysis3: 03Paene 04v3.0-beta7.3 * r76 : Tagging as v3.0-beta7.3 |
| 00:54.23 | Antiarc | Okay, that's odd |
| 00:54.32 | Antiarc | If I create a new Minimap object and parent it to something else |
| 00:54.38 | Antiarc | IT still inherits the MinimapCluster's scale |
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| 00:56.26 | Kamaris | Does anyone know of a good starting point for building an addon from a non-coder perspective? Or would anyone be willing to talk to me about what i'm trying to get done to see if there is a shortest path to it without too much failed attempts at reinventing the wheel? |
| 00:56.27 | Xinhuan | Antiarc: only one Minimap object can be Shown at any one time |
| 00:56.37 | Antiarc | Not true! |
| 00:56.41 | Xinhuan | you would have to hide the first to show the 2nd |
| 00:56.42 | Antiarc | At least, not strictly true |
| 00:56.44 | Torhal | Arrowmaster, when exactly are you fixing Cartographer2? |
| 00:56.45 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 00:56.46 | Antiarc | I have two visible right now |
| 00:56.54 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: im not |
| 00:56.57 | Xinhuan | yeah but the minimap POIs only work on 1 of them |
| 00:56.58 | Xinhuan | not both |
| 00:57.01 | Torhal | That's why I ducked :) |
| 00:57.22 | Fisker- | fights Antiarc |
| 00:57.22 | Torhal | Arrowmaster, that addon is gonna haunt you forever. |
| 00:58.16 | NeoTron | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/878989144.html |
| 00:58.19 | Antiarc | What addon? |
| 00:58.28 | Torhal | Antiarc, Cartographer2 |
| 00:58.31 | Repo | 10cryolysis3: 03Paene * r77 classes/ (7 files in 7 directories): |
| 00:58.32 | Repo | Added framework code for item cacheing for unimplemented classes |
| 00:58.35 | Antiarc | Why would it haunt me? |
| 00:58.56 | Xinhuan | oh yeah Antiarc, if you ever mess with additional minimap objects |
| 00:58.59 | Torhal | Antiarc...I was directing it to Arrowmaster :) |
| 00:59.03 | Antiarc | Oh, heh |
| 00:59.14 | Xinhuan | note that there is an API in GatherMate that updates the "Minimap" upvalue in Gathermate's Display.lua |
| 00:59.22 | Xinhuan | so that gathermate can draw on the new minimap object |
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| 00:59.28 | Antiarc | Oh, interesting. |
| 00:59.49 | Xinhuan | i have code in Chinchilla that reparents to the 2nd minimap object chinchilla has for zooming 300% |
| 00:59.49 | Antiarc | I'm adding a gather map to SexyMap, which will show under a number of conditions, like "mounted and have tracking on" |
| 00:59.54 | Fisker- | nice ad you got going NeoTron |
| 00:59.57 | Antiarc | Which will show a larger minimap overlayed hud-style |
| 01:00.02 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 01:00.11 | harl | gnabend |
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| 01:00.50 | Xinhuan | you call it by doing Gathermate:GetModule("Display"):ReparentMinimapPins(myminimap) |
| 01:01.04 | Gnarfoz | harl: gnabend und gnacht ^^ |
| 01:01.05 | Xinhuan | to reparent it from the original Minimap frame to your new Minimap frame |
| 01:01.18 | Xinhuan | and of course you'll want to call it with the original Minimap once you're done |
| 01:01.30 | Xinhuan | got it Antiarc? :) |
| 01:01.50 | Antiarc | Yup, thanks |
| 01:01.56 | harl | Gnarfoz: gn8 |
| 01:02.03 | Antiarc | How about routes? |
| 01:02.15 | Xinhuan | Routes doesn't support it i think |
| 01:02.20 | Antiarc | Okay |
| 01:02.34 | NeoTron | Fisker-: gotta try right.. I mean, what? no? not my ad! |
| 01:03.02 | Xinhuan | i can add one to Routes if you like |
| 01:03.09 | Antiarc | That'd be nice, yeah |
| 01:03.35 | Xinhuan | but you play around with GatherMate first, as optional support for it |
| 01:03.43 | Xinhuan | when you've got it working, you can ask me about Routes :) |
| 01:03.50 | Fisker- | oh i see NeoTron |
| 01:03.54 | harl | me too |
| 01:04.03 | Fisker- | i should be sleeping |
| 01:04.07 | Fisker- | so now i will kill harl |
| 01:04.09 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 01:04.10 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Nirek a big kiss on the neck |
| 01:04.12 | harl | lol |
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| 01:04.23 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 01:04.23 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give starlon a big kiss on the hand |
| 01:04.26 | Fisker- | :( |
| 01:04.27 | harl | i just had to |
| 01:04.27 | Fisker- | good night |
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| 01:06.55 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: problem! :D got grayed items again |
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| 01:13.47 | Repo | 10range-display: 03mitch0 * r195 RangeDisplay.lua: background setting halfway done |
| 01:14.22 | SunTsu | Antiarc: Do you plan including a range circle into SexyMap? |
| 01:15.11 | Antiarc | I hadn't planned on it, no |
| 01:15.46 | SunTsu | Hm, OK, I'll learn to live without one ;) |
| 01:15.48 | mitchnull | laterz |
| 01:16.02 | Torhal | I've never figured out what use a range circle was, considering you can't see mobs on the minimap. |
| 01:16.13 | Xinhuan | its for hunters |
| 01:16.17 | Xinhuan | with tracking |
| 01:16.24 | Torhal | And as I have no hunter...:D |
| 01:16.44 | SunTsu | Torhal: I use it for gathering, optimizing my route so I hit all the sports |
| 01:16.49 | SunTsu | spots even |
| 01:17.01 | Torhal | SunTsu, I use Routes for that. |
| 01:18.07 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r158 / (18 files in 2 directories): - Use AceLocale instead of duplicated code |
| 01:18.26 | Xinhuan | yeah Routes is the bomb! |
| 01:18.49 | SunTsu | Torhal: I use Routes, too, but I don't like it's Clustering, I prefer making shortcuts myself. I use(d) that circle to ensure I have all nodes in range |
| 01:19.06 | Xinhuan | what's wrong with the clustering? |
| 01:19.55 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Nothing, It's just personal preference |
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| 01:20.01 | Primer | its |
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| 01:20.21 | Xinhuan | you could use both a range circle + clustering |
| 01:20.37 | Xinhuan | a clustered route takes a lot less time to optimize btw ;p |
| 01:20.46 | Xinhuan | also a lot shorter |
| 01:22.28 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: I just don't like the looks of clustering, I want the route directly to go through nodes, sort of how I'm used to it. But I really don't cling to a range circle, was just wondering if SexyMap was about to get one |
| 01:22.41 | Paene | Does ButtonBin rely on Fubar plugins? |
| 01:22.48 | Torhal | Paene, erm...no |
| 01:22.52 | Torhal | It's a LDB display |
| 01:23.16 | Paene | LDB = ? |
| 01:23.22 | Torhal | LibDataBroker |
| 01:23.25 | Paene | ah ok |
| 01:23.27 | SunTsu | Primer: "its" != "it's" == "it is", right? |
| 01:23.34 | Torhal | Paene, http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/wikis |
| 01:24.24 | Mikk | Meh, point at my thread instead, it's so much more everyone-gets it than tek's techspeak :P |
| 01:24.28 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v1.1-beta2 * r159 : Tagging as v1.1-beta2 |
| 01:24.52 | Paene | I see, so how do I know if an addon uses LDB? |
| 01:25.01 | Torhal | Mikk, heh, true. But Firefox picks up that URL easier when I type libdatabroker in the "AwesomeBar" |
| 01:25.07 | Mikk | heh :) |
| 01:25.10 | Xinhuan | you will know if the addon is advertised as a "broker" addon |
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| 01:25.24 | Mikk | Well... then there's a few that plain doesnt say |
| 01:25.27 | Paene | ahhh ok |
| 01:25.41 | Primer | SunTsu: yeah, it was in reference to the sentence previous to your later "it'" |
| 01:25.45 | Primer | "it's", that is |
| 01:26.12 | SunTsu | Primer: Ah, OK, right |
| 01:26.24 | Primer | <SunTsu> Torhal: I use Routes, too, but I don't like it's Clustering |
| 01:26.34 | SunTsu | Primer: Yeah, saw that, thanks |
| 01:26.38 | thul | ach, what library was it that i needed to get the wrath drdamage clone to work? |
| 01:26.41 | Primer | sorry. I can't help myself |
| 01:26.45 | Primer | people on my realm hate me |
| 01:27.01 | SunTsu | Primer: I do so, too, but not for that reason |
| 01:27.09 | SunTsu | ducks and runs away |
| 01:27.14 | Primer | touché |
| 01:27.40 | Mikk | thul: uhm doesnt it say in an error? |
| 01:27.50 | thul | Mikk: not really |
| 01:28.05 | Mikk | and lua errors are enabled? =) |
| 01:28.15 | SunTsu | Hm, still wondering why Broker2FuBar won't recognize Broker_CalendarEvent |
| 01:28.16 | NeoTron | Paene: you really don't known unless you see its icon in a LDB displayer (or list of available data objects) |
| 01:28.37 | Xinhuan | SunTsu, broker2fubar only works on fubarplugin-2.0 plugins |
| 01:28.43 | Xinhuan | i.e ace2 based |
| 01:28.50 | Primer | So what's the deal with badges? Will they be able to buy anything higher than level 70 crap in the expansion? |
| 01:28.56 | Xinhuan | plugin-3.0 is rock based and wont' work/get converted |
| 01:28.56 | Mikk | Primer: nop |
| 01:29.02 | doom0r | wotlk.wowhead.com |
| 01:29.05 | Primer | Basically, what should I be spending before the expansion? Badges and arena points? |
| 01:29.10 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Sure you don't confuse b2f with f2b? ;) |
| 01:29.13 | Primer | save honor and pvp marks? |
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| 01:29.19 | Xinhuan | OH hm |
| 01:29.20 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:30.26 | Mikk | Here's the list of higher-than-70 items purchasable for badges of justice: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items&filter=minrl=71;cr=118;crs=29434;crv=0 |
| 01:31.10 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles * r24 / (4 files in 1 directory): EasyDKP: - |
| 01:31.11 | Repo | Sorting now working. |
| 01:31.33 | NeoTron | Mikk: man that's an amazingly long list! |
| 01:31.38 | Mikk | It is, isn't it! |
| 01:31.49 | NeoTron | glad I am saving my 934 badges! |
| 01:31.58 | Mikk | I only have 680 =( |
| 01:32.06 | NeoTron | heh I have like 90 or so |
| 01:32.06 | Xinhuan | i sold over 1200 badges 3 months ago ;p |
| 01:32.08 | Mikk | Druids like shopping lots of gear though |
| 01:32.11 | Primer | So, to recap. Spend all my badges and arena points before the XP, save honor and pvp marks? Or make marks become honor? |
| 01:32.16 | NeoTron | I've buying gems and selling them |
| 01:32.24 | Xinhuan | marks is more valuable than honor |
| 01:32.26 | Mikk | has 100k gold |
| 01:32.34 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles 04v0.1.0-beta * r25 : EasyDKP: - |
| 01:32.35 | Repo | First beta of EasyDKP |
| 01:32.35 | Repo | This version has basic functionality but is still an early beta. Use only if you are happy that the majority of the functions don't exist or are happy to report issues and make constructive suggestions. |
| 01:32.39 | NeoTron | has over 50k |
| 01:32.41 | Primer | wtf do you do with 100k gold? |
| 01:32.46 | Primer | heh, I have like 8k gold |
| 01:32.47 | NeoTron | Primer: make more gold |
| 01:32.48 | Mikk | put it on a stack and try to hit the goldcap |
| 01:32.51 | Xinhuan | i have 100k gold too |
| 01:33.35 | SunTsu | Hm, I have 3k gold, doing too much alts, too little dailies |
| 01:33.36 | Primer | Any of you on Gorgonnash? :) |
| 01:33.41 | Mikk | ... which incidentally is 2^31 copper ~= 215k gold |
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| 01:34.03 | Primer | they should make it unsigned int |
| 01:34.08 | Mikk | clearly! |
| 01:34.13 | NeoTron | 64 bit. clearly. :P |
| 01:34.14 | Xinhuan | i earned 1k gold a day for about 1.5 years lol |
| 01:34.34 | Mikk | blinks |
| 01:34.36 | NeoTron | I'll see if I get back into the gem business |
| 01:34.37 | Mikk | That's twice the goldcap |
| 01:34.44 | Xinhuan | ya i've spent a lot of gold too |
| 01:34.46 | NeoTron | (un)fortunately my JC won't be my main but an alt |
| 01:34.58 | Mikk | Okay now I'm curious |
| 01:35.01 | Xinhuan | for eg, i bought the JC neck pattern for 25k |
| 01:35.04 | Xinhuan | first server drop ;p |
| 01:35.06 | Primer | ok, so in your opinion: badges -> gems -> sell? |
| 01:35.07 | Mikk | What in the hell do you blow 450k gold on |
| 01:35.15 | NeoTron | Primer: quite possibly too late now |
| 01:35.15 | Mikk | Primer: yes |
| 01:35.18 | Xinhuan | on rep items some of it |
| 01:35.26 | Xinhuan | i'm at like 6k/21k darkmoon for eg |
| 01:35.27 | Primer | NeoTron: yeah, I know that. I don't have many badges though |
| 01:35.31 | Mikk | Or just get nice gems to stick in your new shiny blue gear |
| 01:35.32 | Xinhuan | every deck is 350g |
| 01:35.37 | Xinhuan | i mean 350 rep |
| 01:35.44 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 01:35.50 | Xinhuan | i have 38 exalted factions |
| 01:36.00 | Mikk | There _is_ easier ways of getting darkmoon rep, shurly :P |
| 01:36.02 | Xinhuan | and all gigantique ;p |
| 01:36.08 | Mikk | Of course all gigantique |
| 01:36.12 | Xinhuan | actually there isn't |
| 01:36.12 | Mikk | On several toons |
| 01:36.15 | Mikk | That's not a lot of monye |
| 01:36.21 | Xinhuan | only way to get rep past Friendly is thru decks |
| 01:36.26 | Mikk | Yoink whaddayaknow |
| 01:36.27 | NeoTron | so here's the question... |
| 01:36.30 | Xinhuan | the repeatable turnins stop at 2000/6000 |
| 01:36.39 | NeoTron | gigantique or crafted 22 slotters in WotLK? |
| 01:36.43 | NeoTron | which one is cheapest? :) |
| 01:36.45 | Xinhuan | the new inscription decks help a bit |
| 01:36.57 | Xinhuan | also 4/28 of the fortune quests gives 75 rep |
| 01:37.00 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 01:37.10 | Primer | Do you have a job? |
| 01:37.15 | Xinhuan | no |
| 01:37.17 | Xinhuan | student |
| 01:37.17 | Primer | Friends? Family? |
| 01:37.24 | Mikk | we all love xinhuan |
| 01:37.26 | Mikk | that's all he needs |
| 01:37.27 | Mikk | ! |
| 01:37.28 | Primer | sounds like you have a lot of free time |
| 01:37.39 | Xinhuan | yeah i do ;p |
| 01:37.53 | Primer | some people in my guild marvel at the fact that I have 2 70s with epic flyers, plus I have a wife and 2 kids |
| 01:38.03 | Primer | + 8k gold |
| 01:38.03 | Mikk | That is somewhat impressive actually |
| 01:38.13 | Mikk | That or your wife hates you |
| 01:38.14 | Xinhuan | i was in final year in uni |
| 01:38.28 | Primer | Mikk: I sleep very little :) |
| 01:38.42 | Antiarc | http://i34.tinypic.com/20sao48.jpg |
| 01:38.57 | NeoTron | Primer: hmm. Wife, 2 kids, 3x70 with epic flyers, job, 53k gold... |
| 01:39.18 | Primer | NeoTron: I've only been playing since BC though |
| 01:39.19 | NeoTron | and rarely do dailies for gold since it bores me :P |
| 01:39.36 | harl | oO |
| 01:39.39 | NeoTron | Primer: ... well. I got to 70 2 weeks before BC with maybe 1500g to my name |
| 01:39.39 | Xinhuan | i've yet to find someone with more /played than me ;p |
| 01:39.50 | NeoTron | I quit and rerolled on a new account |
| 01:39.53 | Paene | Who writes ButtonBin? |
| 01:40.01 | Mikk | check the .toc |
| 01:40.18 | Mikk | NeoTron: got to 70 before BC? that's very impressive |
| 01:40.26 | Quaiche | NeoTron writes ButtonBin |
| 01:40.35 | harl | yeah, and i had a 70 even before wow was released. (no wait, something's wrong with that..ah well, whatever, eh?) |
| 01:40.35 | SunTsu | .o0( Five 70s, 3 epic flyer, 2 chars at level 40 at the moment, only 3k gold ) |
| 01:40.41 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I like. having questionable vision that looks useful |
| 01:40.45 | Paene | says dhedbor on the toc :-p that's why I asked |
| 01:40.49 | NeoTron | Mikk: err. 60. you know what I mean :P |
| 01:40.52 | Mikk | :P |
| 01:40.56 | Antiarc | Questionable vision? |
| 01:41.01 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I don't see well. |
| 01:41.03 | Quaiche | Paene: Not in my TOC |
| 01:41.05 | Quaiche | LOL |
| 01:41.06 | Antiarc | Ohh, okay |
| 01:41.12 | Paene | er |
| 01:41.17 | NeoTron | Antiarc: as in uncorrectable vision errors |
| 01:41.21 | Paene | not in the toc, in the author info on curse |
| 01:41.30 | Quaiche | I looked in the TOC |
| 01:41.45 | Quaiche | NeoTron: You maintaining ButtonBin atm? |
| 01:41.50 | NeoTron | yes |
| 01:42.00 | NeoTron | when the curse migration happened, neotron was taken |
| 01:42.02 | Quaiche | There you go |
| 01:42.09 | Antiarc | I'm trying it out and it's already 1000x easier to herb with |
| 01:42.35 | Quaiche | NeoTron: I'm seeing strange issues with "Hide on Mouseover" since you implemented the new Hide in Combat option. |
| 01:42.46 | Xinhuan | what's that white circle mean Antiarc |
| 01:42.47 | Quaiche | It works... then disappears and won't come back |
| 01:42.47 | NeoTron | Quaiche: yep I am aware |
| 01:42.50 | Quaiche | Keedoke |
| 01:42.52 | Antiarc | That's the detection radius |
| 01:42.54 | Quaiche | I'll be patient then |
| 01:42.57 | NeoTron | I never tested the two combined |
| 01:43.01 | Quaiche | hehe |
| 01:43.06 | Antiarc | So dots within that circle will show up on tracking |
| 01:43.19 | Xinhuan | have you checked out GatherHud? :P |
| 01:43.23 | Antiarc | No >_> |
| 01:43.24 | NeoTron | Antiarc: separate addon? |
| 01:43.30 | Xinhuan | do it Antiarc |
| 01:43.35 | Antiarc | Module of SexyMap right now, but it should probably be separate |
| 01:43.38 | Xinhuan | @project gather-hud |
| 01:43.38 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/gather-hud/. GatherHud. Game: WoW. Leader: Xinhuan. Author: grum. Updated: 2 hours ago |
| 01:43.51 | Paene | NeoTron: Is there anyway to position the buttons left/center/right like Fubar allowed? Or do I have to make a new bin and split them that way? |
| 01:43.52 | Xinhuan | its a more advanced version of your gather hud |
| 01:43.54 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 01:43.58 | Antiarc | haha |
| 01:43.59 | Xinhuan | with routes/gathermate support |
| 01:44.18 | Xinhuan | only problem is, minimap yellow blips dont' appear on it |
| 01:44.20 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: screenshot! |
| 01:44.28 | Xinhuan | hmm i had one years ago... |
| 01:44.38 | Xinhuan | i'll grab one in say 5 min |
| 01:44.40 | crookfingerjake | gather-hud is tight |
| 01:44.41 | NeoTron | which is the particular feature that made Antiarc's seem more useful ;-) |
| 01:44.54 | Antiarc | Yellow blips do appear on mine! >_> |
| 01:45.11 | NeoTron | Antiarc: since it's just a minimap without a background yes? |
| 01:45.16 | NeoTron | and not so mini |
| 01:45.17 | Xinhuan | oh do check out gatherhud first Antiarc ;p |
| 01:45.20 | Antiarc | Minimap at 0 opacity, yes |
| 01:45.22 | Xinhuan | and see if you can copy features |
| 01:45.23 | Antiarc | I'm checking it out! :P |
| 01:45.33 | thul | have i mentioned that i despise and hate tab targeting? |
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| 01:46.12 | Antiarc | Hm. Interesting isometric view |
| 01:46.15 | Antiarc | But harder to read, IMO |
| 01:46.25 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 01:46.30 | Xinhuan | can configure the angle though |
| 01:46.36 | Antiarc | Very technically slick though |
| 01:46.37 | Xinhuan | or have it float with the camera angle |
| 01:47.04 | Xinhuan | i was trying to get a minimap overlay on top of gatherhud |
| 01:47.07 | Xinhuan | then i gave up |
| 01:47.36 | Xinhuan | see /gatherhud for options |
| 01:47.40 | NeoTron | Antiarc: does your version have routes on it when enabled? |
| 01:47.54 | Antiarc | Not yet, I was asking Xinhuan for that earlier :P |
| 01:48.01 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: it doesn't, but i can add 1 function to Routes for that |
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| 01:48.51 | Stanzilla | I just started hacking on some addon and already hate it >.< |
| 01:48.52 | Quaiche | thul: bind your tab targeting to your mouse wheel. it rocks |
| 01:49.17 | NeoTron | out of curiosity, why doesn't it if it's just a minimap? |
| 01:49.29 | Xinhuan | Antiarc |
| 01:49.31 | Antiarc | It's a separate minimap |
| 01:49.32 | Xinhuan | try adding this function |
| 01:49.33 | Xinhuan | function Routes:ReparentMinimap(minimap) Minimap = minimap throttleFrame:Show() end |
| 01:49.35 | Antiarc | Not the game Minimap |
| 01:49.39 | NeoTron | ooh |
| 01:49.41 | NeoTron | got it |
| 01:49.50 | NeoTron | didn't know you could do that :P |
| 01:49.52 | Xinhuan | and see if it has any harmful effects |
| 01:50.25 | Xinhuan | add it somewhere in Routes.lua |
| 01:50.31 | Xinhuan | and see if it works |
| 01:51.18 | NeoTron | would it even be possible to use an isometric view in that situation? you can't touch or query the location of actual nodes in any way from code right? |
| 01:51.23 | Xinhuan | the function might need to add one or two more lines to erase lines from the previous minimap though |
| 01:51.44 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: no, because routes and other addons would be using a direct x,y offset |
| 01:51.57 | Xinhuan | changing to isometric will not skew the x,y offset accordingl |
| 01:51.59 | Xinhuan | for the setpoint() |
| 01:52.05 | Antiarc | hahahah |
| 01:52.06 | Antiarc | This uh |
| 01:52.08 | Antiarc | Didn't work so well |
| 01:52.17 | Torhal | Paene, for ButtonBin: I have Bin1 stretched across the top of my screen. Then Bin2 is in the center, with Bin3 on the right with y-axis flipped so it grows to the left |
| 01:52.28 | Xinhuan | what ended up happening, Antiarc? ;p |
| 01:52.44 | Antiarc | wonder if it's just a scaling issue |
| 01:52.46 | Antiarc | But ug |
| 01:53.04 | NeoTron | Paene: sorry didn't see your question but no. Torhal has the solution I use myself |
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| 01:53.16 | Antiarc | http://i34.tinypic.com/2lks5q9.jpg |
| 01:53.40 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 01:53.41 | Paene | Thanks |
| 01:53.51 | NeoTron | Paene: like so http://mediabeta.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/13591/10912/3bin.png |
| 01:54.13 | NeoTron | Antiarc: nice... scale issue? :P |
| 01:54.15 | Antiarc | yeah, it's just scaling |
| 01:54.22 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 01:55.12 | Xinhuan | well Routes.G:DrawLine() creates fontstrings that are minimap:CreateTexture() |
| 01:55.29 | Xinhuan | so the scaling will follow whatever the scale is of the minimap itself |
| 01:55.39 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, try scaling down the size of your minimap |
| 01:55.39 | Antiarc | What I'm actually doing |
| 01:55.45 | Xinhuan | how does it look then |
| 01:55.49 | Antiarc | Is I have a frame which is my "cluster", which owns my new minimap |
| 01:55.59 | Antiarc | The minimap's alpha is 0, so I just have this, more or less: |
| 01:56.04 | Antiarc | setmetatable(GatherMapCluster, { __index = SexyMapGatherMap }) |
| 01:56.09 | Antiarc | GatherMate:GetModule("Display"):ReparentMinimapPins(GatherMapCluster) |
| 01:56.16 | Antiarc | Dunno if that's messing with it |
| 01:56.38 | Antiarc | actually |
| 01:56.44 | Antiarc | Drawing the line width way down works |
| 01:56.52 | Antiarc | Though the lines are way offset from the nodes still |
| 01:56.56 | thul | berserker + HfB + ambush + mutilate |
| 01:56.59 | thul | what more can one wish for :-) |
| 01:57.07 | Xinhuan | you're going to have to work that one out yurself Antiarc ;p |
| 01:57.25 | Antiarc | I may have to hack around in Routes a bit, but I'll figure it out :) |
| 01:57.33 | Antiarc | Just from herbin with it, it's extremely usable |
| 01:57.36 | Antiarc | Far moreso than the minimap |
| 01:57.49 | Xinhuan | you're basically just copying Chinchilla code |
| 01:57.53 | thul | fun, fun fun |
| 01:57.58 | Xinhuan | or at least, reimplementing what chinchilla did |
| 01:57.58 | Antiarc | Oh, Chinchilla does that? |
| 01:58.00 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 01:58.03 | Antiarc | I've never used Chinchilla >_> |
| 01:58.10 | Xinhuan | chinchilla has a Expander module |
| 01:58.15 | Xinhuan | that does exactly what you're doing now |
| 01:58.20 | Xinhuan | you may want to take a look |
| 01:58.23 | Antiarc | heh |
| 01:58.27 | Antiarc | Perhaps I shall! |
| 01:58.34 | Xinhuan | or just look at the lua for it |
| 01:58.36 | Antiarc | And here I thought I had an awesome new feature |
| 01:59.05 | Xinhuan | definitely not "new" ;p |
| 01:59.12 | Torhal | Antiarc, I'm surprised you didn't say "sexy new feature" |
| 01:59.17 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:59.18 | Antiarc | Oh, right |
| 01:59.19 | Antiarc | Sexy new feature |
| 01:59.30 | Antiarc | I need a new sexy new feature then |
| 01:59.31 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r76 / (6 files in 1 directory): |
| 01:59.32 | Repo | Nauticus: replace FuBar/Titan plugin stuff with LibDataBroker (LDB) |
| 01:59.33 | SunTsu | Mikk: Do you maintain the FuBar-Stub at http://mikk.wowforge.com/stuff/FuBar_for_FuBar2Broker.zip? If so, could you please add rudimentary SavedVariables-support? I hate that trying out that stub killed all my FuBar settings.. |
| 01:59.39 | Antiarc | Something that will make people say "wow, that's sexy, I must have it!" |
| 02:00.14 | Mikk | SunTsu: hups, good point |
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| 02:01.25 | Stanzilla | if someone would just integrate broker2fubar into fubar :( |
| 02:01.44 | Arrowmaster | would have to convert it to rock first for proper integration |
| 02:03.12 | Arrowmaster | hmm i just thought about something, ill have to take another look at it later |
| 02:03.14 | Xinhuan | or rewrite fubar, just like what titan panel did |
| 02:03.19 | Stanzilla | or just remove rock from rubar |
| 02:03.21 | Stanzilla | fubar |
| 02:03.27 | Arrowmaster | not going to happen |
| 02:03.30 | Stanzilla | why? |
| 02:03.39 | Arrowmaster | because its too much effort |
| 02:04.15 | Arrowmaster | would be better off just writing fubar4 instead with the time spent trying to remove rock from fubar3 |
| 02:04.16 | Mikk | SunTsu: Fixed |
| 02:04.27 | SunTsu | Mikk: Thanks |
| 02:04.56 | Aens|Superiority | speaking about this topic, what is the LDB mod of choice? fortress? buttonbin? |
| 02:05.04 | Mikk | both popular |
| 02:05.14 | NeoTron | Aens|Superiority: depends on your preference of display |
| 02:05.18 | Xinhuan | i'm going to say Fubar and B2F ;p |
| 02:05.21 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: As always with choices: "The one that suits you best" |
| 02:05.25 | Mikk | and tbh you can run several, displaying different plugins in each |
| 02:05.29 | NeoTron | or perhaps both |
| 02:05.40 | Aens|Superiority | cause I definitely want to move away from fubar. Uses up too much space for what it is. |
| 02:06.04 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 02:06.08 | Arrowmaster | you can resize it..... |
| 02:06.30 | Xinhuan | ya, every bar in fubar is draggable to any location you want, as well as resizable (lower right corner) |
| 02:06.33 | Mikk | Aens|Superiority: Broker & StatBlocks are standalone blocks that you can move around or glue to other blocks |
| 02:06.44 | Mikk | ButtonBin is 1 or more bar or block shaped objects with plugins inside them |
| 02:06.47 | Mikk | There's more |
| 02:06.50 | Aens|Superiority | I know. Its just that it takes up the top strip of my screen. I could just convert a corner of my screen and be done with it. |
| 02:06.54 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: How so? You can resize it, turn off labels, hide icons and such |
| 02:07.05 | Arrowmaster | Aens|Superiority: you can do that |
| 02:07.11 | Primer | Ok, so I just put horizontal speed back into my addon (take from FuBar_SpeedFu), which uses a table for speed modifiers for different zones. Is this still the only way to get horizontal speed? |
| 02:07.25 | Arrowmaster | Primer: yes |
| 02:07.32 | Arrowmaster | Primer: ripping my table are you? |
| 02:07.35 | Mikk | It's not a speed modifier really. It's a coordinate-to-actual-length mapping |
| 02:07.36 | Primer | Because my table is still incorrect for Stormwind, for example (Haven't checked latest FuBar_SpeedFu though) |
| 02:07.44 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I credit you! |
| 02:07.48 | Primer | I swear! |
| 02:07.51 | Xinhuan | Aens|Superiority: even the top strip is resizable |
| 02:07.55 | Arrowmaster | latest speedfu doesnt have the table |
| 02:08.01 | Droolio | is there not a new api for getting speed? |
| 02:08.02 | Primer | then wtf? |
| 02:08.06 | Primer | you just have true speed? |
| 02:08.08 | Aens|Superiority | Its just that i'm jumping up to a higher resolution soon with my new computer. Definitely dont want a single bar spanning across my screen. |
| 02:08.19 | Xinhuan | just resize the bar then? |
| 02:08.21 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 02:08.21 | purl | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 02:08.29 | Primer | haha |
| 02:08.30 | Xinhuan | not sure if you're reading hehe |
| 02:08.33 | Mikk | Aens|Superiority: There's lots of options. One of the LDB displayers.... or just move the top fubar elsewhere and resize it |
| 02:08.35 | Primer | purl: cookie |
| 02:08.37 | Mikk | Plenty of readability |
| 02:08.44 | Xinhuan | but we've said it 4 times now, the bar is resizable to any length you want :) |
| 02:08.45 | Arrowmaster | Primer: the one right before the latest has the table |
| 02:08.54 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: Then try out ldb displays or just resize the fubar bar |
| 02:08.55 | Xinhuan | but the default is full-screen-length |
| 02:08.57 | Primer | Arrowmaster: so you _are_ just displaying true seed? |
| 02:09.00 | Primer | speed, even |
| 02:09.06 | Arrowmaster | now yeah |
| 02:09.19 | Aens|Superiority | yes, hence why I am asking what the best ldb mod was. circular discussion |
| 02:09.23 | Arrowmaster | i could revert it i guess and add an option |
| 02:09.32 | Primer | Arrowmaster: that's what I did |
| 02:09.35 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: Nobody can tell you what will be the best one for you |
| 02:09.40 | Aens|Superiority | grats, we're back to where we were 3 minutes ago :/ |
| 02:09.43 | Primer | it seems that people might want to actually know horizontal speed |
| 02:10.05 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: make an option toggle |
| 02:10.09 | Primer | granted, my addon shows pitch too, so as a "level flight" addon, it does what it needs to when showing true speed |
| 02:10.12 | Xinhuan | horizontal speed is still useful |
| 02:10.27 | Xinhuan | that is, i want to know my speed without taking into account z-plane |
| 02:10.31 | Mikk | Primer: If you want a guaranteed-to-be-updated library of zone data, use Astrolabe |
| 02:10.36 | Xinhuan | since movement on land doesn't take into account z-plane |
| 02:11.27 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: not possible |
| 02:11.28 | Primer | Mikk: OMFG I asked that several fucking times! |
| 02:11.28 | Primer | No one had any clue |
| 02:11.28 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: how is that not possible? |
| 02:11.28 | Primer | Mikk: THANKS! |
| 02:11.28 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: no way from waht i could tell to get the actual table from astrolabe |
| 02:11.28 | Mikk | It can compute the distance between two points? |
| 02:11.28 | Aens|Superiority | SunTsu: I know that. It is a subjective question. It is also a question designed to get people to discuss the pros and cons of their own personal experience. |
| 02:11.28 | Arrowmaster | how is that useful? |
| 02:11.38 | Mikk | Because then you know how far you've travelled, and over which time, == speed |
| 02:11.40 | Arrowmaster | when im trying to calculate speed |
| 02:12.02 | Primer | Has any sort of svn web been deployed for the new curse? |
| 02:12.02 | Arrowmaster | meh ill look at it again |
| 02:12.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:12.26 | Mikk | I'm loving the raw svn port that finally got exposed |
| 02:12.28 | Mikk | Soooo much faster |
| 02:12.39 | Arrowmaster | slower for me =( |
| 02:12.43 | Mikk | blinks |
| 02:12.47 | Arrowmaster | but im using svn+ssh:// i guess |
| 02:12.51 | Mikk | that will do it yes |
| 02:13.18 | NeoTron | Aens|Superiority: again you'll have to test and make your own choice. the design decisions are very different |
| 02:13.19 | Primer | Arrowmaster: so, r48? |
| 02:13.26 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 02:13.40 | Primer | 11/03 |
| 02:13.42 | Droolio | Primer: have you tried the new GetUnitSpeed() and GetUnitPitch() ? |
| 02:13.42 | Arrowmaster | just look at astrolabe, you should be able to use it instead and not have issues when zoning |
| 02:13.43 | NeoTron | I made ButtonBin because I wanted more of an automated layout rather than the Fortress/StatBlock lego block method |
| 02:13.54 | Arrowmaster | Droolio: we were just talking about that |
| 02:13.57 | Primer | Droolio: I've updated my addon to use them both |
| 02:14.10 | Droolio | ah |
| 02:14.31 | Primer | In fact, I'm now going to steal Arrowmaster's zone modifier table and put horizontal speed back as an option |
| 02:14.56 | Xinhuan | so Arrowmaster, putting the zone modifiers table back as an optiion to show horizontal speed? |
| 02:15.03 | Mikk | I don't get it though |
| 02:15.12 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 02:15.16 | Mikk | GetUnitSpeed() * cos(GetUnitPitch()) ? |
| 02:15.18 | Mikk | ^ tadaa? |
| 02:15.25 | Arrowmaster | i was just thinking that |
| 02:15.27 | Xinhuan | GetUnitPitch() has its own problems |
| 02:15.39 | Xinhuan | its return value doesn't change when on a flightmaster for eg |
| 02:15.46 | Xinhuan | so you can't get your flying speed on a flightpath |
| 02:15.57 | Xinhuan | GetUnitPitch() can't be used then |
| 02:16.06 | Mikk | fair enough |
| 02:16.10 | Xinhuan | for eg, i may want to know how fast the gryphon is flying |
| 02:16.14 | Mikk | yeah |
| 02:16.18 | Xinhuan | compared to my own mount |
| 02:16.26 | Xinhuan | there you go Arrowmaster ^^ revert kgo |
| 02:16.34 | Mikk | though they vary a lot over each path |
| 02:16.38 | Mikk | so what you really want to do is clock it |
| 02:16.40 | Arrowmaster | for flightpaths i think it would be interesting to see the GetUnitSpeed() of a flightpath |
| 02:17.02 | Xinhuan | it returns 0 |
| 02:17.06 | Xinhuan | primer tested it i think |
| 02:17.13 | Xinhuan | when freefalling or a computer is flying you |
| 02:17.18 | Xinhuan | the value stops changing |
| 02:17.23 | Mikk | The question is though |
| 02:17.23 | Xinhuan | and returns the last manual value |
| 02:17.26 | Mikk | What speed is reported? |
| 02:17.35 | Mikk | Horiz speed or no? |
| 02:17.44 | Xinhuan | it reports the last value you char is at before the physics engine took over |
| 02:17.55 | Mikk | how bleh |
| 02:18.06 | Xinhuan | that is, if you run around and stuff, it gives your true speed, but if you jump in the air and freefall, the value no longer updates |
| 02:18.14 | Xinhuan | same for flightpath |
| 02:18.39 | Xinhuan | i.e the value is only accurate if your feet is on the floor, or you are on your own flying mount |
| 02:18.41 | Mikk | so it'll be 0ish on a flightpath most of the time |
| 02:19.24 | Xinhuan | in fact your GetUnitSpeed will also return 0 when you are on a zeppelin |
| 02:19.28 | Xinhuan | or a moving ship |
| 02:19.34 | Xinhuan | and you aren't moving that is |
| 02:19.43 | Xinhuan | definitely not what you want |
| 02:19.50 | Xinhuan | i feel the change should be reverted |
| 02:20.10 | Arrowmaster | fine ill work on it again later |
| 02:20.17 | Primer | My addon is allowing the preference for displaying both side by side |
| 02:22.07 | Primer | Off to Stormwind to see if the table holds up |
| 02:22.39 | Primer | nope |
| 02:22.48 | Primer | 84% when it should be 108% |
| 02:22.51 | Primer | same as before |
| 02:23.11 | Xinhuan | primer do you use gathermate? ;p |
| 02:23.13 | Xinhuan | or routes |
| 02:23.44 | Arrowmaster | you got r48 of speedfu right? |
| 02:23.59 | Primer | Arrowmaster: correct |
| 02:23.59 | Arrowmaster | that one cant be wrong |
| 02:24.17 | Primer | Xinhuan: nope. Should I? |
| 02:24.29 | Xinhuan | no, i was just asking ;p |
| 02:24.33 | Xinhuan | but you can use them :) |
| 02:24.49 | Primer | going to Elwyn to check there |
| 02:25.17 | Primer | Elwyn is fine |
| 02:25.31 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I'm thinking the addition of SW harbor made it be different now? |
| 02:25.43 | Xinhuan | Primer: yes, the zone width/height changed |
| 02:25.44 | Arrowmaster | i updated that table |
| 02:25.56 | Xinhuan | for the map, so the multiplier also needs to be updated |
| 02:25.58 | Arrowmaster | the table has northrend zones right? |
| 02:26.03 | Primer | Yup |
| 02:26.11 | Xinhuan | speedfu should have a menu option to recalibrate |
| 02:26.17 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 02:26.20 | Xinhuan | by updating the multiplier constant |
| 02:26.21 | quiescens | on the flip side getunitspeed works in instances? |
| 02:26.23 | Arrowmaster | that was removed a long time ago |
| 02:26.23 | Primer | uhh |
| 02:26.25 | Xinhuan | quiescens: yes |
| 02:26.27 | quiescens | points at xinhuan |
| 02:26.29 | Primer | could be that I forgot to save the file |
| 02:26.33 | Primer | sigh... |
| 02:26.35 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 02:26.45 | Primer | yeah, I suck... |
| 02:26.57 | Primer | sorry |
| 02:26.59 | Xinhuan | i once calibrated my speedfu for "Nether Void" zone |
| 02:27.20 | Xinhuan | ["Twisting Nether"] = 0.0006009066351859623, |
| 02:27.24 | Xinhuan | do you have that one Arrowmaster? |
| 02:27.33 | Xinhuan | ["Gates of Ahn'Qiraj"] = 0.0002853386619224457, |
| 02:27.35 | Xinhuan | ["Blackrock Mountain"] = 0.0002787126890372405, |
| 02:27.40 | Arrowmaster | should |
| 02:27.55 | Xinhuan | those 3 zones are my own calibrations |
| 02:28.03 | Xinhuan | since the original speedfu didn't come with those 3 zones |
| 02:28.20 | Primer | Ok, nm, false alarm |
| 02:28.20 | Arrowmaster | i ninja changed it a long time ago to not even use numbers like that |
| 02:28.30 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 02:28.38 | Xinhuan | well check that those zones have numbers in your table |
| 02:28.51 | Xinhuan | the numbers are small because it uses the "continent" map |
| 02:28.56 | Xinhuan | for those 3 zones |
| 02:29.02 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.08 | Antiarc | Will that target an enemy if I don't have a target? |
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| 02:29.16 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu * r114 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 02:29.16 | Repo | Put horizontal speed back. Added a preference to pick true speed, horizontal speed, or both. |
| 02:29.41 | Xinhuan | target=target <-- redundant? |
| 02:30.01 | Antiarc | Maybe, I dunno |
| 02:30.04 | Antiarc | I'm not great with macros |
| 02:30.25 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.5.6 * r115 : Tagging as v0.5.6. |
| 02:30.40 | Arrowmaster | ["Expansion01"] = 17464.078125, |
| 02:31.23 | Arrowmaster | ["Azeroth"] = 40741.181640625, |
| 02:31.48 | Arrowmaster | ["Kalimdor"] = 36799.810546875, |
| 02:31.52 | Xinhuan | that's the zone width |
| 02:31.55 | Xinhuan | in yards |
| 02:31.59 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 02:32.14 | Xinhuan | 36798.56388065484 for kalimdor |
| 02:32.21 | Xinhuan | that's from the dbc file |
| 02:32.27 | Arrowmaster | so is mine |
| 02:32.35 | Xinhuan | might have changed slightly |
| 02:32.35 | Arrowmaster | unless it got fudged by my sort |
| 02:32.43 | Xinhuan | looking |
| 02:33.23 | Arrowmaster | ["Kalimdor"] = 36799.810546875, |
| 02:33.40 | Arrowmaster | just pulled it out of the dbc again and didnt run it through a sort this time |
| 02:34.00 | Primer | If I could only get blizz to add elevation now |
| 02:34.03 | Primer | that would be tits |
| 02:34.20 | Xinhuan | lua> 4266.699218 |
| 02:34.20 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 4266.699218 |
| 02:34.35 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 02:34.47 | Primer | Add an altimeter graphic...then some sound effects like "fox 2!" |
| 02:35.07 | Primer | perhaps even the sound of a piston engine or jet as you fly |
| 02:35.11 | Xinhuan | lua> 12799.900391+11733.299805 |
| 02:35.12 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 24533.200196 |
| 02:35.13 | Primer | configurable |
| 02:35.30 | Arrowmaster | my sort script actually prints out numbers with more precision than lua normally does with tostring(), thats the only reason i thought it could get smudged |
| 02:35.35 | Xinhuan | lua> 17066.599609+19733.210938 |
| 02:35.35 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 36799.810547 |
| 02:35.39 | Primer | ok, going home, thanks for all the help again |
| 02:35.56 | quiescens | most typical floating point implementations are fairly accurate to around 6 decimals |
| 02:35.58 | Xinhuan | yah, yours is stil accurate |
| 02:35.59 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: not enough precission! |
| 02:36.20 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, that's the precision given in the dbc files ;p |
| 02:36.35 | Repo | 10dhud2: 03Arcanefoam * r81 / (3 files in 2 directories): DHUD2: |
| 02:36.35 | Repo | -Changed percent to value for hiding health/power bars.lua |
| 02:36.36 | Repo | -Added test to avoid ruRU locale generating error in other languages. |
| 02:36.56 | Arrowmaster | quiescens: goal of my sort script was to not sumdge its original input it was designed for, had to modifiy it to use more precission due to that |
| 02:37.15 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: how are you getting the data from the dbc files? i get more precision |
| 02:37.28 | Xinhuan | i used a dbc displayer, maybe is rounding it off |
| 02:37.34 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 02:37.39 | Arrowmaster | @project data-tools |
| 02:37.39 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/data-tools/. DataTools. Game: WoW. Leader: kagaro. Author: Ackis. Updated: 6 days ago |
| 02:40.19 | Xinhuan | i wonder why wow added these pitch/speed functions |
| 02:40.24 | Xinhuan | does framexml use them? |
| 02:40.42 | quiescens | working theory is they might be useful for vehicle interfaces |
| 02:41.26 | Arrowmaster | they seem odd though with GetUnit*() names instead of Unit*() names |
| 02:41.54 | Zyndrome | http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/11/06/bacon_fries/story.jpg |
| 02:42.02 | Zyndrome | as so it is decided: bacon > fries |
| 02:45.07 | NeoTron | Zyndrome: lol |
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| 02:50.42 | crookfingerjake | can't they run on the same ticket? |
| 03:00.20 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Veridiac * r79 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 03:00.21 | Repo | Added an option to change the frequency of status refreshes, and fixed wild growth |
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| 03:01.53 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Veridiac * r80 GridStatusHots.lua: Removed a debug message I forgot... oops |
| 03:05.57 | Kilroo | There should be an April First edition of LibDataBroker called LibDataBorker that completely borks up your data. |
| 03:06.10 | Kilroo | Well, there really shouldn't, probably, but I had fun saying it. |
| 03:06.59 | Xinhuan | how many of you care if i code in a april fool's joke into omen to make everything pink on that day ;p |
| 03:07.19 | Antiarc | I'd get blamed for it! |
| 03:07.37 | Xinhuan | sounds good |
| 03:10.52 | Repo | 10ag_unitframes: 03q09q09 * r670 / (7 files in 4 directories): ag_UnitFrames: |
| 03:10.56 | Repo | Update locale Chinese zhCN & zhTW |
| 03:10.56 | Repo | Add ModuleNames Locale |
| 03:11.06 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 03:11.15 | Stanzilla | what a username |
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| 03:13.03 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * v1.3.4-1-g5c187b1 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] this should fix spell mounts if they are the only once available |
| 03:13.09 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 04v1.3.5 * 6c374ce /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.3.5 |
| 03:13.58 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: you should apply a hello kitty theme on april 1st :P |
| 03:14.20 | Xinhuan | that would require me to include hello kitty images |
| 03:14.31 | Xinhuan | kind of difficult |
| 03:14.53 | Yssaril | do you include any images to begin with? |
| 03:14.57 | Xinhuan | no |
| 03:16.01 | Yssaril | was thinking you could include one and put the theme images in there but they would only be accessable in omen by setting the correct image coordinats |
| 03:17.15 | Repo | 10chocolatebar: 03yess * r5 / (4 files in 1 directory): fixed: show otions for all plugins |
| 03:17.45 | Xinhuan | it would be cute, but not practical ;p |
| 03:19.02 | Yssaril | then go with the pink idea (just be ready for the error reports on april 1st :P) |
| 03:21.56 | Torhal | Xinhuan, "The color Pink brought to you by Antiarc." |
| 03:24.17 | Ackis | ~seen nymbia |
| 03:24.19 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 21d 2h 51m 51s ago, saying: 'lUa?'. |
| 03:24.35 | Ackis | i just bit a big chunk out of my tongue and my gfjust laughs at me and tells me I failed so hard |
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| 03:25.01 | Torhal | Ackis, tell her you only failed because you got the wrong tongue. |
| 03:25.55 | Ackis | anyone alliance on illidan? |
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| 03:28.06 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5_OSsawz4 |
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| 03:35.09 | Hjalte | Is anyone else experiencing frequent crashes when logging in after 3.0.2? I just got it now three times in a row when installing one addon (Itemvalue) but I've had it happen before with other addons and most of the time even removing said addons don't help. I just have to try again and maybe be lucky to be able to log in. |
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| 03:35.47 | doom0r | Antiarc: i'm not sure if the lyrics or his shirts are better |
| 03:37.07 | WobWork | I liked that |
| 03:37.11 | WobWork | pity he didn't sing it =) |
| 03:37.17 | WobWork | (or write it) |
| 03:50.45 | Hjalte | Could the problems I have with wow crashing be related to me switching to using built in libraries since 3.0.2? (using CC now) I'm just trying to think of reasons. |
| 03:50.51 | durcyn | ckknight: is git.wowace.com no longer allowing clones, or is it just broken :/ |
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| 04:06.05 | doom0r | ~fail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIb6xuMO098 |
| 04:06.06 | purl | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIb6xuMO098: FAIL! |
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| 04:11.15 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Sayclub * r81 GridStatusHots_locale.lua: koKR update |
| 04:14.34 | Stanzilla | ~wowalert |
| 04:14.34 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 04:17.03 | Zyndrome | fffffff rolling restarts |
| 04:18.15 | selckin | slow restarts today |
| 04:19.30 | sztanpet | there was about a day where there wasnt a rolling restart in the last two weeks |
| 04:19.48 | sztanpet | at least it means theyr working on it |
| 04:20.55 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r82 GridStatusHots.lua: Fixed Glyph of Flash of Light and Sheath of Light. |
| 04:20.56 | Repo | Only able to see the total of spells in "My HoTs", "Buff: My Renew" for example will only show the number of my renews (i.e. 1). Had this issue since r75 (don't know what I changed as I had it working) with all subsequent releases. |
| 04:24.36 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03Ahdiosmio * r19 / (2 files in 1 directory): !dkp & !attendance functionality added. |
| 04:27.29 | doom0r | hmmm, that rock config bug turned up for me too now |
| 04:28.18 | Zyndrome | more like rolling shutdowns >=( |
| 04:29.40 | doom0r | Cry Lasers ON!: QQ Q Q QQ |
| 04:30.03 | doom0r | =D |
| 04:30.25 | Stanzilla | :<<< |
| 04:30.46 | doom0r | i see what you did there |
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| 04:32.43 | Blime | http://tinyurl.com/5l6cfz = http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseClient-2.0.0.1.RC1.rar = 404 Not Found = :-( |
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| 04:37.48 | doom0r | my question is WTF is up with the 3 names to somethign with the same description? |
| 04:38.17 | doom0r | there's 3 2.0.0.13 and they all say *for old clients* |
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| 04:47.50 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r21 events.lua: shortcut !att wcmd |
| 04:48.40 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r22 events.lua: spacing |
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| 05:21.36 | NivFreak | are there any decent addons to do massive guild rank shifts? |
| 05:21.42 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 05:21.45 | Groktar | ~kill purl |
| 05:21.45 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxphoton gun at purl |
| 05:28.27 | Xinhuan | NivFreak: no, because it would take more time to write said addon than actually manual promote/demote 200 ppl |
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| 05:33.19 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: until you have to do it a few times |
| 05:33.20 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 05:33.29 | Xinhuan | never had to do it more than once |
| 05:33.41 | clad|sleep | AnduinLothar had something about two years ago, afaik |
| 05:33.44 | clad|sleep | dont see it posted anywhere |
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| 05:51.03 | Yssaril | Antiarc: you should enable sexymaps coordinates be like the rest where you can set them to only show on mouseover |
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| 05:56.29 | Groktar | sexymap has coordinates? |
| 05:57.16 | Groktar | anyway, minicoords+sexymap does that Yssaril |
| 05:57.53 | Yssaril | Groktar: tehy got added recently (disabled on default cause they are not sexy |
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| 05:58.51 | Toadkiller | So what are the best options mods at the moment (that use the Ace3 options)? |
| 05:58.54 | Yssaril | but honestly i ahve never needed upto the second accurate coordinates |
| 05:59.13 | Yssaril | Toadkiller: what is your understanding of best? |
| 05:59.35 | Xinhuan | what do you mean Toadkiller |
| 05:59.37 | Toadkiller | Whatever you use personally would presumably be your view of best ...? |
| 05:59.53 | Yssaril | that make the best use of Ace3 options? |
| 06:00.19 | Toadkiller | Well im converting AutoBar to use the Ace3 stuff, but the built in blizz stuff sucks totall and complete donkey nuts since you cannot have the blizz spell or macro books open at the same time |
| 06:00.22 | Xinhuan | rephrase "best options mod" |
| 06:00.46 | Toadkiller | I used to use Waterfall-1.0 |
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| 06:01.03 | Toadkiller | So, is there anything besides the Blizzard panels? |
| 06:01.07 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 06:01.13 | Xinhuan | open it in a ace3 gui window directly |
| 06:01.13 | Yssaril | Toadkiller: you can use the blizz options fine if you open it manually nothing else closes i think |
| 06:01.48 | Xinhuan | LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):Open("AutoBar") |
| 06:02.07 | Toadkiller | Yssaril: ah kool, I didnt notice that. |
| 06:02.07 | Yssaril | yea just tested it if you open to the addon options directly the other frames stay open |
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| 06:02.38 | Xinhuan | yep but its still not movable |
| 06:02.42 | Xinhuan | unless you make it movable |
| 06:02.52 | Toadkiller | YEah I will have to make it moveable |
| 06:02.55 | Xinhuan | so your best bet is just to do LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):Open("AutoBar") |
| 06:02.56 | Yssaril | true BetterBlizOptions is great :P |
| 06:03.06 | Tem | I _HATE_ addons that don't make their stuff fit in the blizzard window |
| 06:03.13 | Xinhuan | think of it like |
| 06:03.20 | Xinhuan | an advanced Waterfall, Toadkiller |
| 06:03.45 | asmodai | Good morning. |
| 06:03.49 | Yssaril | honestly i would support both have the slash comand open to its own frame but have everything still in the blizzard frame (easy enough with aceconfigdialog3) |
| 06:03.56 | Toadkiller | Tem: I hate configs that force me to use 1/8 of my screen and then do stupid shit like scrolling |
| 06:04.12 | Tem | if you need to scroll your config, you probably did it wrong |
| 06:04.44 | Tem | and people who shove their shit in the blizzard window |
| 06:04.48 | Toadkiller | so you are saying that when you look at your quest log u dont scroll? |
| 06:04.59 | Xinhuan | have you tried what i suggested toad? |
| 06:05.05 | Xinhuan | or am i getting ignored |
| 06:05.06 | Tem | the quest log is horrible by default |
| 06:05.24 | Tem | that's what DoubleWide is for :) |
| 06:05.26 | Toadkiller | Xinhuan: Yeah that works. tx |
| 06:06.16 | Yssaril | Toadkiller: fyi if you havent found it yet http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 is a good resource to have for aceconfig stuff :) |
| 06:06.40 | Toadkiller | I still have it doing both the old and the new so I hadnt actually hooked it up. So I was getting to it via esc. etc. whci his why it was looking bleak |
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| 06:07.13 | Xinhuan | that one is ace3's acegui display method |
| 06:07.13 | Repo | 10button-bin: 03dhedbor * r45 ButtonBin.lua: - Fixed mouseover visibility + collapsed bin. |
| 06:07.13 | Repo | - Possibly fixed other sizing issues related to mouseover visibility. |
| 06:07.13 | Grum | Tem: you cant get around the fact that you ocasionally need to scroll but it should be avoided indeed |
| 06:07.14 | Repo | - Fixed the bin not correctly recalculating sizes when the text of a data object changes (too aggressive optimization). |
| 06:07.16 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: can you copy that page to a new ace3 project page? |
| 06:07.26 | Xinhuan | you do it Yssaril |
| 06:07.39 | Yssaril | xin cant add to ace3 its locked down |
| 06:07.40 | Toadkiller | Yssaril: yes I have that page bookmarked |
| 06:07.41 | Tem | Grum, I can only think of one case where it's okay to make the user scroll |
| 06:07.58 | Grum | which is? :) |
| 06:08.02 | Groktar | (tem believes in bigfoot) |
| 06:08.04 | Xinhuan | sif manual add |
| 06:08.05 | Tem | where you have a list that just won't fit on the screen |
| 06:08.26 | Tem | (and it doesn't make sense to split it up at all) |
| 06:08.35 | Tem | or a list that the user has control over |
| 06:08.43 | Tem | (in terms of they can add stuff to it) |
| 06:09.06 | Grum | i always run into problems with multi-selects |
| 06:09.13 | Grum | a they are space consuming |
| 06:09.16 | Grum | *as |
| 06:09.17 | asmodai | wonders how long Ghostcrawler can keep this up before becoming burnt out. |
| 06:09.28 | Grum | asmodai: he's a robot! |
| 06:09.31 | Tem | asmodai, I doubt he'll make it to 3.1 |
| 06:09.36 | Tem | Grum, I met him IRL |
| 06:09.38 | Tem | no robot |
| 06:09.42 | Grum | lies :P |
| 06:10.01 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: or if you want to unlock it for me i'll add it :P |
| 06:10.14 | Xinhuan | are you talking about a wiki page or what |
| 06:10.19 | Yssaril | yea |
| 06:10.35 | Grum | Yssaril: just add the link from http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/pages/getting-started/#w_registering-the-options |
| 06:10.41 | Xinhuan | since when are wiki's locked lol |
| 06:10.44 | asmodai | Tem: unless he can just ignore the flames and whining. |
| 06:10.48 | Grum | there is a: For more details on the various types of settings available and their possible modifier flags, see the AceConfig-3.0 documentation. <-- linkit! |
| 06:11.31 | Tem | asmodai, if he can, he's a stronger man than I |
| 06:11.32 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: i assumed that the wiki is locked if the project is locked |
| 06:11.32 | Tem | I can't even stand the ui forums anymore because of all the dumb questsions |
| 06:11.32 | Yssaril | ckknight: ping |
| 06:11.33 | Grum | Tem: i somewhere assume they have people filtering the messages |
| 06:11.37 | Tem | hell I usually ignore THIS channel because it frequenly has a lot of noise |
| 06:11.40 | Grum | else i dont get how they can possibly do any work |
| 06:11.49 | Tem | hmm, I hadn't thought of that |
| 06:11.55 | Tem | and that might make it work, indeed |
| 06:11.58 | Grum | the amount of crap spawning on the forums in each thread is insane for 1 person to manage |
| 06:12.20 | Grum | but if 2/3 people just point out the worthwhile parts while he works and responds to those parts |
| 06:12.28 | Grum | he might get some shit done as well :D |
| 06:13.02 | Yssaril | hmmm i could upload an immage but not a wiki to ace3 lol |
| 06:13.11 | Xinhuan | link? |
| 06:13.17 | asmodai | Tem: Heh, well, we all have different ways to shrug things off. |
| 06:13.25 | Grum | Yssaril: just link; dont put a page there that you wont maintain :) |
| 06:13.29 | asmodai | Tem: But frankly the US forums make me cry whenever I read it. |
| 06:13.36 | Tem | agreed |
| 06:13.42 | asmodai | The sheer amount of people posting for posting sakes is just sad. |
| 06:13.49 | Tem | the beta forums would go in waves |
| 06:13.49 | asmodai | And the trend is slowly moving to EU too. :S |
| 06:13.54 | Grum | any forums with 5million people capable of posting makes you cry |
| 06:14.01 | Grum | i'm actually amazed by the quality :p |
| 06:14.04 | Yssaril | Grum: i can't don't have permission (and i wouldn't really maintain it just copy it from the old wiki) |
| 06:14.31 | Grum | thta is the problem; you put a new page there that then remains unmaintained |
| 06:14.32 | Xinhuan | err , i don't call a project's "pages" wikis |
| 06:14.35 | Yssaril | but yea link for now would work till we get real documentation on ace3 :P |
| 06:14.38 | Xinhuan | they are just.. pages |
| 06:14.39 | Grum | you might as well link to the old page |
| 06:14.47 | Xinhuan | a true wiki is editable by everyone, like the old wiki |
| 06:15.00 | Grum | yeah that is the idea of the wiki :P |
| 06:15.37 | Xinhuan | there's supposed to be a new wiki to replace the old one |
| 06:15.44 | Torhal | Kaelten, pingage. |
| 06:15.47 | Grum | well they have pages |
| 06:16.06 | Grum | but the pages dont have a way to place images on their that you upload at the project |
| 06:16.10 | asmodai | Grum: of course, out of 11 million people you have a small percentage that are compulsive posters |
| 06:16.23 | Grum | so atm the pages fail as a way of documentation :) |
| 06:16.37 | Grum | asmodai: yeah i tihnk the forums look quite well :) |
| 06:16.44 | Grum | for the amount of crap possibly posted on them ;) |
| 06:16.48 | asmodai | *nod* |
| 06:17.18 | asmodai | Xinhuan: A true wiki is not usable anymore. |
| 06:17.24 | asmodai | Xinhuan: the sheer amount of spam makes you cry |
| 06:17.38 | asmodai | We saw that during the development of Trac. |
| 06:17.45 | Grum | yeah you need some moderation... |
| 06:18.25 | asmodai | In our case a spam filter which checks submissions. |
| 06:20.42 | asmodai | mmm |
| 06:20.51 | Grum | oh right its very early :P |
| 06:20.58 | asmodai | so a Totem of Sustaining, for example, can act as a totem of air, earth, fire, water |
| 06:21.08 | asmodai | but you cannot junk your old totems |
| 06:21.19 | Grum | so its just a fillertotem? |
| 06:21.26 | asmodai | meaning you can only move them from your carrying bags to the bank, so what's the added bonus? |
| 06:22.01 | Grum | mmm that totem is actually a lvl60 item :P |
| 06:22.55 | asmodai | well, there's more, the first possible is Totem of Rage at level 52 required. |
| 06:23.22 | asmodai | But, the only minor advantage I see is that you free up 4 carrying slots, but miss 4 bank slots. |
| 06:24.46 | Grum | i think the totems should be abilities |
| 06:24.53 | Grum | its stupid you have to take em with you |
| 06:25.07 | Repo | 10expo: 03dhedbor * r56 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 06:25.08 | Repo | - Fixed small error when used with FuBar2Broker and bumped .toc |
| 06:25.32 | asmodai | From the point of that totems are physical items you drop to the floor, I can understand Blizzard's motivation. |
| 06:25.42 | asmodai | But they've been a static nuisance. |
| 06:28.24 | Yssaril | asmodai: at least its just 4 and you dont ahve to deal with soulshards :P |
| 06:29.36 | asmodai | Yssaril: Yea. |
| 06:29.47 | asmodai | I'm happy with the glyphs of water walking and breathing too. |
| 06:29.55 | asmodai | Those reagents were getting annoying. |
| 06:30.09 | asmodai | Especially since a warlock has unending breath at only 6 mana with no reagents. |
| 06:30.09 | kadrahil | twins and m'uru down! :D |
| 06:30.25 | asmodai | You hurt the sexy twins?! |
| 06:30.33 | kadrahil | ;( |
| 06:30.49 | kadrahil | they were blocking ourpath to kil'jaeden |
| 06:30.50 | kadrahil | so we had to |
| 06:30.52 | kadrahil | :( |
| 06:31.16 | kadrahil | KJ will die sunday hopefully |
| 06:34.11 | Grum | would be cool if they later on added the ability to learn 1 major and 1 minor glyph as a permanent skill for a large sum of gold |
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| 06:36.43 | neenee | That would just give people with more money an unfair advantage. |
| 06:37.13 | Xinhuan | oh noes, ppl with more gold are unfair! |
| 06:37.22 | neenee | No. That's not what I said. |
| 06:37.48 | Grum | its a nice moneysink |
| 06:38.10 | Grum | just like people say the big fat mammoth mount is a moneysink .. kek |
| 06:38.57 | Nayala | How does the review / completion stuff work for tickets? |
| 06:39.24 | Nayala | Wondering what's left in the process after I opened the ticket and submitted the fixes. |
| 06:39.41 | Nayala | MT. Wrong channel. |
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| 07:08.09 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r103 modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 07:08.10 | Repo | replaced the hack i was using to split timestamps from the rest of the chatline and replaced it with an even better one. |
| 07:09.02 | Blime | everyone in my guild complains about my character and Prat |
| 07:09.10 | Blime | my name is You |
| 07:09.29 | sylvanaar | yeah, You is dumb |
| 07:10.05 | sylvanaar | You makes my like difficult |
| 07:10.09 | sylvanaar | life |
| 07:10.17 | Blime | emotes are pretty sweet, looting is confusing for others, addons misbehave |
| 07:10.29 | Blime | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.39 | Blime | You won [item]. |
| 07:10.42 | sylvanaar | of course this was intentional |
| 07:10.49 | Blime | =D now fix prat! |
| 07:11.06 | Blime | i don't actually run prat, but a few guildies do... they have some weird complaint |
| 07:11.13 | Blime | *complaints |
| 07:11.31 | sylvanaar | yeah, the word you is colored |
| 07:11.45 | sylvanaar | whatever your class happens to be |
| 07:11.50 | sylvanaar | (ill guess hunter) |
| 07:11.51 | Blime | durid |
| 07:11.59 | sylvanaar | doh |
| 07:12.25 | sylvanaar | hunters used to piss me off by naming their pets the same as their character |
| 07:12.41 | Blime | heh |
| 07:12.49 | Blime | i picked up the name on day 1 |
| 07:13.02 | Blime | have always found it to be great fun |
| 07:14.26 | sylvanaar | yeah, so all prat's users have the word 'you' in orange everywhere it appears. |
| 07:14.56 | Blime | i think that's it |
| 07:15.05 | sylvanaar | sighs |
| 07:15.08 | Blime | only when i speak in gchat? or with achievements? |
| 07:15.17 | sylvanaar | no, everywhwer |
| 07:15.19 | sylvanaar | everywhere |
| 07:15.22 | Blime | ah |
| 07:15.25 | Megalon | nice feature :p |
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| 07:17.09 | FroMaster | sylvanaar: You familiar with the bug with Prat3 that screws up the font display when someone with a Raid Icon talks? |
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| 07:21.01 | Repo | 10button-bin: 03dhedbor * r46 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 07:21.02 | Repo | - Fixed issue with sizing when 'show label on mouseover' was toggled. |
| 07:21.03 | Repo | - Ignore setting labelOnMouse when labels are disabled. |
| 07:24.44 | sylvanaar | did they add eol-style to the precommit hook again? |
| 07:27.10 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r104 / (68 files in 11 directories): |
| 07:27.11 | Repo | Added Prat.PlayerNameBlackList table. Names are in lowercase. /script table.insert(Prat.PlayerNameBlackList, "foo") |
| 07:27.11 | Repo | I guess eol-style is back. So every file has changed |
| 07:28.02 | sylvanaar | FroMaster its really hard to say - because that feature worked fine for me forever |
| 07:28.15 | sylvanaar | FroMaster it really depends on how your chat is formatted |
| 07:29.24 | FroMaster | I dont believe i made any changes to my format besides resizing the window |
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| 07:34.53 | sylvanaar | FroMaster try the latest alpha, there have been alot of changes |
| 07:35.26 | Xinhuan | eol-style changes ;p |
| 07:35.48 | FroMaster | is it going beta soon or it going to be a while? |
| 07:37.03 | sylvanaar | i just tested it - it works for me |
| 07:37.30 | FroMaster | I'll give it a shot |
| 07:37.34 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan there have been alot of other changes too |
| 07:38.30 | Xinhuan | you know somehting, i just realized my fubar looks like a Windows Task Bar... its got a clock on the end, a system tray of launchers, a lot of "plugin windows" |
| 07:38.37 | Xinhuan | and all its missing is a BIG START BUTTON |
| 07:40.16 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 04Beta 13 * r105 : Tagging as Beta 13 |
| 07:41.26 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan thats your next mod |
| 07:41.34 | sylvanaar | StartMenuFu |
| 07:41.42 | FroMaster | sylvanaar: Should I try Beta 13 instead of looking for the Alpha? |
| 07:41.46 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 07:41.54 | sylvanaar | FroMaster sure |
| 07:42.26 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: you fail for not using eol-style when it wasnt required |
| 07:43.11 | sylvanaar | 0-|-*-----------------||--------------------|-10 |
| 07:44.08 | Xinhuan | is that a care factor chart ;p |
| 07:44.13 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 07:44.18 | sylvanaar | a care-meter |
| 07:44.30 | Xinhuan | what's the * for |
| 07:44.38 | sylvanaar | how much i care |
| 07:44.43 | Xinhuan | and the || / |
| 07:44.44 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 07:44.51 | sylvanaar | midpoint |
| 07:45.02 | Xinhuan | looks better without it |
| 07:45.11 | sylvanaar | i have a few others |
| 07:45.16 | doom0r | _____E .· ` ' / ·. F_____ |
| 07:45.17 | Diskmaster | Shouldn't it be so far behind 0, that you'd have to walk five miles just to see it? |
| 07:45.22 | Xinhuan | /script for x=1,GetNumFactions() do a,b,c,d,e,f=GetFactionInfo(x);if(a=="Steamwheedle Cartel")then b=f/2100;c=string.rep; SendChatMessage(a..": ["..c("=", b)..">"..c("_",20-b).."] "..f-d.."/"..e-d.." ("..5*b.."%) "..(99-f/425).." more","guild")end end |
| 07:45.24 | Xinhuan | i have this macro |
| 07:45.35 | Xinhuan | ir prints |
| 07:45.39 | Xinhuan | it prints |
| 07:45.40 | Xinhuan | Steamwheedle Cartel: [============>________] 5033/21000 (61.983333333333%) 37.745882352941 more |
| 07:45.46 | Xinhuan | in guild chat ;p |
| 07:45.49 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 07:45.58 | Xinhuan | that's the hidden rep though |
| 07:46.06 | Xinhuan | i'm actually on 14k/21k with all 4 |
| 07:46.29 | doom0r | thieves macro |
| 07:46.33 | sylvanaar | i made an addon to link the achievement statistics |
| 07:46.40 | Xinhuan | i should probably local the variables |
| 07:46.42 | Arrowmaster | is that actually getting the hidden rep info? |
| 07:46.47 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 07:47.08 | Xinhuan | i soemtimes replace the string "Steamwheedle Cartel" with "Booty Bay" |
| 07:47.20 | Xinhuan | (99-f/425) <-- explanation |
| 07:47.31 | Xinhuan | 99 runs needed from neutral to exalted (at 425 rep per run) |
| 07:47.38 | Xinhuan | so 99-f/425 = number of runs left |
| 07:47.56 | sylvanaar | run of what |
| 07:48.01 | Xinhuan | dire maul runs |
| 07:48.27 | Xinhuan | Darkmoon Faire: [=========>___________] 10900/12000 (47.380952380952%) 63.142857142857 more decks |
| 07:48.30 | Arrowmaster | doing cloth turnins to get to neutral? |
| 07:48.30 | Xinhuan | that's my darkmoon faire one |
| 07:48.41 | Xinhuan | yeah i did cloth turnins to neutral |
| 07:48.52 | Arrowmaster | what did that leave your bloodsail at? |
| 07:48.56 | Xinhuan | cbf retaining Friendly with pirates and then risking ppl in my party killing them near me |
| 07:49.01 | doom0r | *cough* macro/addon compilation *cough* |
| 07:49.22 | doom0r | or just post em all somewhere :P |
| 07:49.38 | sylvanaar | there are already rep grind addons - i think they just wanted somethign simple |
| 07:49.52 | Xinhuan | i just wanted a macro that can spam guild chat ;p |
| 07:50.01 | doom0r | the rep grind addons are 1. stale 2. not customizable 3. suck |
| 07:50.09 | doom0r | take your pick |
| 07:50.42 | sylvanaar | i dont think the macros will help |
| 07:51.22 | sylvanaar | ok, why hasnt anyone made an LFG mod |
| 07:51.27 | sylvanaar | serously |
| 07:51.40 | Xinhuan | people have tried .. and failed because LFG mods are social mods |
| 07:51.50 | Xinhuan | that is, it only becomes effective the more ppl install it |
| 07:51.54 | sylvanaar | i maintained calltoarms for 2 years - and noone did squat |
| 07:51.56 | Xinhuan | such as "AV Preform Enabler" |
| 07:52.28 | doom0r | just like guild positions |
| 07:52.43 | NeoTron | CTA was really nice back when ppl used it |
| 07:52.59 | sylvanaar | nah, perfect LFG mod - scans channels, and keeps a list of everyone who said "LFG, LFM" and who's them |
| 07:53.17 | sylvanaar | that's all i used CTA for |
| 07:53.28 | Xinhuan | lol i would make a lvl 1 just to screw with these mods ;p |
| 07:53.37 | Xinhuan | log on 5 bank alts in turn |
| 07:53.41 | Xinhuan | and do LFG LFM |
| 07:54.05 | sylvanaar | nah, all it does is show you a list, and the last time they said anything |
| 07:54.11 | Pkekyo| | would you like to see my schtick? |
| 07:54.13 | sylvanaar | you have to talk to them yourself |
| 07:54.33 | sylvanaar | its just an organizer that shows what groups are forming |
| 07:54.40 | sylvanaar | all the other crap is not needed |
| 07:55.10 | Xinhuan | ok back to rep grinding |
| 07:55.12 | Xinhuan | 8k more rep needed |
| 07:55.16 | Xinhuan | estimated: 9 hours |
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| 07:56.02 | sylvanaar | it really is that easy - channel-scanner+filter+fire-events |
| 07:56.14 | sylvanaar | it can even be one of those LDB's |
| 07:56.32 | sylvanaar | i guess |
| 07:56.48 | sylvanaar | those things are sorta fail after you get away from 1 single value |
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| 07:59.32 | sylvanaar | anyhow, whenever wholib is finished, and I get some time, i guess i'll make LibLFG |
| 07:59.54 | sylvanaar | or LibLFGMonitor |
| 07:59.57 | Xinhuan | rename it LibWho-2.0 or something |
| 08:00.02 | sylvanaar | i did |
| 08:00.19 | sylvanaar | its already LibWho-2.0 |
| 08:00.24 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 08:00.35 | linear` | whats libwho do |
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| 08:04.09 | Loonacy | Maintains information about nearby owls. |
| 08:04.50 | doom0r | calls the highway maintenance team to scrape the dead joke off the pavement |
| 08:04.53 | sylvanaar | all i can say about the LoD bugs are ace2 did it best, totally bypassing blizzard |
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| 08:05.53 | sylvanaar | (i just read Xinhuan's post) |
| 08:06.16 | sylvanaar | libwho, it does /who commands in a big queue |
| 08:07.01 | sylvanaar | im not even writing it -i'm just working with the author to get it updated |
| 08:07.43 | sylvanaar | and trying to find the people who are doing /who's and get them to use it |
| 08:08.00 | sylvanaar | e.g. the census++ guy, i have been emailing him |
| 08:09.42 | doom0r | is chatter limited on the amount of players it adds per save? |
| 08:10.07 | sylvanaar | per save? |
| 08:10.22 | doom0r | i was thinking of using census for that but it seems after so many whos it stops collecting per session |
| 08:10.43 | sylvanaar | chatter doesnt do whos |
| 08:11.02 | sylvanaar | neither does prat |
| 08:11.07 | doom0r | playername coloring/level saves info when you who people though |
| 08:11.20 | sylvanaar | yeah, limit is by the api |
| 08:11.24 | sylvanaar | prat works the same way |
| 08:11.33 | sylvanaar | 49 per who |
| 08:11.55 | doom0r | no, i mean, say i click on 10 people in chat, after that, it wont' save new ones |
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| 08:12.11 | sylvanaar | uh |
| 08:12.19 | sylvanaar | sounds like a bug |
| 08:12.21 | digmouse | g morning |
| 08:12.44 | doom0r | @project chatter |
| 08:12.44 | Repo | doom0r: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: wow, war. |
| 08:12.55 | doom0r | @project wow/chatter |
| 08:12.55 | Repo | doom0r: http://www.wowace.com/projects/chatter/. Chatter. Game: WoW. Leader: Antiarc. Author: grum. Updated: 8 days ago. Tickets: 10/17 |
| 08:14.02 | sylvanaar | does chatter actually save that data in sv's? |
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| 08:14.16 | doom0r | yes |
| 08:14.32 | doom0r | optionally |
| 08:14.42 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 08:15.11 | Grum | doom0r: known bug |
| 08:15.16 | doom0r | rgr |
| 08:15.26 | sylvanaar | for that to really be practical, we need realm level storage |
| 08:15.28 | Grum | but there is way more stuff to fix |
| 08:15.53 | sylvanaar | *real* per-realm storage |
| 08:15.53 | Grum | and working on that as we speak but it requires a major rewrite of parts of the code |
| 08:16.06 | Grum | sylvanaar: should not be a problem? |
| 08:16.13 | doom0r | i wish sylvanaar |
| 08:16.22 | sylvanaar | Grum its a problem |
| 08:16.27 | doom0r | i have 2 accs |
| 08:16.29 | Grum | could you explain why? |
| 08:16.35 | Grum | oh yes that is a problem then doom0r |
| 08:16.38 | sylvanaar | Grum because there is no way to achieve it |
| 08:16.40 | Grum | there is no cross-account sharing |
| 08:16.57 | sylvanaar | you can share accross accounts |
| 08:17.00 | sylvanaar | but |
| 08:17.07 | Grum | not by the blizzard interface |
| 08:17.07 | sylvanaar | its complex to set up |
| 08:17.09 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 08:17.13 | Grum | oh yeah |
| 08:17.19 | Grum | sym/hardlink the files in place |
| 08:17.30 | quiescens | fun |
| 08:17.35 | sylvanaar | you just reference the SV's from one account in the toc of an addon |
| 08:17.52 | Grum | humz you can do that? |
| 08:18.01 | doom0r | ya, it's a real pain, i have my main on one and all atls on other |
| 08:18.12 | Grum | you can just load ../WTF/<account>/SavedVariables ? |
| 08:18.15 | sylvanaar | ..\..\WTF\Account\<name>\SavedVariables\file.lua |
| 08:18.25 | Grum | mmm |
| 08:18.28 | Grum | but then you can also do that from ingame |
| 08:18.33 | Grum | just set it up and load the file? |
| 08:18.37 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 08:18.48 | Grum | oh dumz |
| 08:18.53 | Grum | it has to be from tocs ofc |
| 08:18.57 | Grum | else blizz wont load the file |
| 08:19.09 | sylvanaar | it is read only on all acccounts except the one it references |
| 08:19.21 | Grum | hmmm |
| 08:19.27 | Grum | you could make an external program for that |
| 08:19.29 | Grum | to setup the linking |
| 08:19.32 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 08:19.36 | sylvanaar | you could |
| 08:19.45 | sylvanaar | but then you could just copy the files too |
| 08:19.47 | Grum | well did you suggest it to blizz? |
| 08:19.51 | Xinhuan | you might as well just copy fies |
| 08:19.51 | sylvanaar | no |
| 08:19.52 | Xinhuan | files |
| 08:19.55 | Xinhuan | or use hardlinks |
| 08:20.01 | Grum | not doable xin |
| 08:20.09 | Grum | unless you never log in both accounts at the same time |
| 08:20.11 | sylvanaar | suggesting to blizz is a waste of time usually |
| 08:20.15 | Grum | else you risk dataloss/corruption |
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| 08:20.43 | Grum | or actually; never log out both accounts at the same time :) |
| 08:21.12 | sylvanaar | the slouken's forum threads are full of sycophants, i cant stand posting there |
| 08:21.20 | Grum | hehe |
| 08:22.22 | Grum | seriously .. handling the namecoloring/alts/level/brackets on playernames is horrible to set up in a sane way |
| 08:22.41 | Xinhuan | so.. don't do it? and just use teknicolor |
| 08:22.45 | sylvanaar | Grum no it isnt |
| 08:22.52 | Grum | sylvanaar: it is? |
| 08:22.58 | Xinhuan | and remove the last 2 functions in teknicolor cos it taints the raid panel |
| 08:23.18 | sylvanaar | Grum you need to look how prat does it - its so easy |
| 08:23.37 | Grum | do you chainhook AddMessage sylvanaar? |
| 08:23.41 | sylvanaar | no |
| 08:23.51 | sylvanaar | do you understand how prat works? |
| 08:24.09 | Grum | i havent looked at the source yet; care to give a management summary? |
| 08:24.16 | sylvanaar | it creates a chat message processing pipeline |
| 08:24.39 | Grum | what is the latest prat? Prat-3.0? |
| 08:24.47 | sylvanaar | Prat-2.0 |
| 08:24.58 | sylvanaar | that was the whole point of rewriting it the first time |
| 08:25.14 | Grum | right lol |
| 08:25.16 | sylvanaar | because Prat 1 was full of retarded gsubs |
| 08:25.23 | Grum | yeah i have the same problem with chatter atm |
| 08:25.31 | Grum | you still need the gsubs though |
| 08:25.35 | Grum | but you can handle it more sane :) |
| 08:25.53 | Grum | @project wow/prat |
| 08:25.54 | Repo | Grum: http://www.wowace.com/projects/prat/. Prat. Game: WoW. Status: Abandoned. Imported from wowace SVN project Prat. Leader: sylvanaar. Updated: 39 days ago |
| 08:26.00 | Grum | right; where can i find it? :p |
| 08:26.17 | sylvanaar | i keep the chat message in a table with fields |
| 08:26.32 | sylvanaar | @project prat-3.0 |
| 08:26.32 | Repo | sylvanaar: No project found that matches 'prat-3.0' |
| 08:26.41 | sylvanaar | @project prat-3-0 |
| 08:26.41 | Repo | sylvanaar: http://www.wowace.com/projects/prat-3-0/. Prat 3.0. Game: WoW. Leader: sylvanaar. Author: Pazza. Updated: 45 minutes ago. Tickets: 26/54 |
| 08:26.54 | Grum | ok; at which version should i look? ^^ |
| 08:27.13 | sylvanaar | and modules don't hook addmessage they register for events |
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| 08:27.28 | sylvanaar | just like AddMessageEventFilter...hmmm |
| 08:27.38 | Grum | no you cant replace them |
| 08:27.39 | Xinhuan | as long as you don't do RegisterAllEvents() again ;p |
| 08:27.43 | sylvanaar | except better |
| 08:27.45 | sylvanaar | i do |
| 08:28.23 | Grum | humz why do you have commented out locale entries in every module file ? :P |
| 08:28.34 | sylvanaar | because they need to be updated |
| 08:28.41 | Grum | ah |
| 08:28.44 | sylvanaar | thats how I know they havent been |
| 08:29.10 | sylvanaar | you should look first at services/chatsections.lua |
| 08:29.23 | sylvanaar | thats the basis for the whole system |
| 08:29.48 | Grum | lol how many people worked on this project? |
| 08:29.53 | Grum | its a massive tab/space fest :P |
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| 08:30.09 | sylvanaar | i use spaces |
| 08:30.39 | sylvanaar | thats all i can tell you |
| 08:31.26 | sylvanaar | my tabs are set to 4 spaces |
| 08:31.49 | Grum | holy crap; doesnt that take up *A LOT* of cpu? |
| 08:31.58 | sylvanaar | what? |
| 08:32.16 | Grum | the string splitting :P |
| 08:32.18 | sylvanaar | no |
| 08:33.32 | sylvanaar | in fact it probably takes less - because the string stay split up while the modules process it |
| 08:33.56 | sylvanaar | so, they only need to refer to the fields they want to change |
| 08:34.48 | sylvanaar | frankly, this design has worked well for me for 2 years, I haven't needed to change it at all |
| 08:36.43 | Grum | mm |
| 08:37.23 | sylvanaar | most of prats cpu was used by the button module |
| 08:38.03 | sylvanaar | now in 3.0 all the cpu stuff has its own separate addon |
| 08:38.42 | sylvanaar | ZOMG Prat_HighCPUUsageModules is using alot of CPU |
| 08:38.49 | sylvanaar | problem solved |
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| 08:39.48 | Repo | 10libfilter-1-0: 03Nayala * r27 modules/LibFilter_Professions/LibFilter_Professions.lua: |
| 08:39.48 | Repo | LibFilter_Professions: Add option to restrict to just primary professions. |
| 08:44.13 | Grum | SVC_NAMESPACE = Prat |
| 08:44.18 | Grum | why did you do that? :) |
| 08:44.26 | sylvanaar | just to be different |
| 08:44.36 | Grum | euh? :) |
| 08:44.47 | sylvanaar | seriously, i was trying out another way of doing things |
| 08:45.03 | Grum | mmm setfenv(1, SVC_NAMESPACE) |
| 08:45.09 | Grum | i wonder what that does o.O |
| 08:45.16 | sylvanaar | yeah, theres a forum post about it |
| 08:45.30 | Grum | prevents you from making global variables be cause the global scope is stored not in _G but in SVC_NAMESPACE? |
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| 08:45.34 | asmodai | xkcd++ |
| 08:46.03 | sylvanaar | it works like Lua modules |
| 08:46.06 | Speeddymon | so does anyone know anything about this WoW++ project I see mentioned on a couple of projects? |
| 08:46.52 | Speeddymon | ... guess thats a no |
| 08:47.09 | Grum | name a project where it is mentioned on |
| 08:47.12 | sylvanaar | Grum you can take the files and put them in another addon without changing them, and they will work |
| 08:47.19 | Speeddymon | Town_Guard on curse |
| 08:47.23 | sylvanaar | and become part of that addon |
| 08:47.26 | Speeddymon | rather "Town Guard" |
| 08:47.32 | Speeddymon | MinimalUI is another |
| 08:47.40 | asmodai | ok, I officially endorse Left 4 Dead |
| 08:47.55 | charon | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/wowplusplus/ what else is there to know? |
| 08:47.56 | Repo | 10magicrunes: 03dhedbor * r10 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 08:47.57 | Repo | - Added a few preset display options to help demonstrate possible bar layouts. |
| 08:48.02 | Grum | http://my.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wowplusplus.aspx |
| 08:48.04 | Grum | look there? :) |
| 08:48.06 | Speeddymon | thank you i looked for that and couldnt find it |
| 08:48.24 | Grum | i just googled for 'wow addon wow++ wowplusplus' .. :p |
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| 08:49.16 | Xinhuan | so its another addon trying to "everything-in-one"? |
| 08:49.19 | Grum | yes |
| 08:49.25 | Xinhuan | fail addon then |
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| 08:49.26 | Grum | because different addons was harder to maintain so it seems |
| 08:49.27 | Grum | just fail |
| 08:49.40 | charon | also, presumptuous name fail |
| 08:49.43 | Grum | its just bundled whatever he made before |
| 08:50.45 | Xinhuan | "In this BETA version, all features are present, on by default and CAN NOT BE DISABLED." |
| 08:50.49 | Xinhuan | lol just makes it worse |
| 08:50.51 | Grum | yes |
| 08:51.04 | asmodai | Xinhuan: that's ehrm, *blink*, *blink* |
| 08:51.07 | Grum | and with this setup you'll likely also load all parts unless he moves folders about :) |
| 08:51.19 | Xinhuan | nice, he has 7 downloads per day |
| 08:51.19 | Grum | and then you are not better of than before ;) |
| 08:51.28 | Grum | probably himself? |
| 08:51.39 | cladhaire | did the EU beta end? |
| 08:51.53 | Grum | think so |
| 08:52.23 | cladhaire | i wish people would stop asking me to "curse" my addons |
| 08:52.24 | cladhaire | =( |
| 08:52.47 | Xinhuan | only takes 3 minutes ;p |
| 08:52.48 | cladhaire | but i do find it less offensive than people begging for me to "ace" them. |
| 08:53.02 | cladhaire | ... |
| 08:53.04 | cladhaire | like how? |
| 08:53.12 | [Ammo] | put the magic sauce on |
| 08:53.16 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 08:53.19 | Xinhuan | i was joking :< |
| 08:53.31 | cladhaire | ah, okay :P |
| 08:54.03 | Xinhuan | however |
| 08:54.04 | Grum | just make a new release and call it "the idoit version" and justify 'cursing your own addon' by that |
| 08:54.16 | Grum | i hate blizzard |
| 08:54.33 | Grum | trying to do 6 char transfers and after the second one suddenly my cc cant be used :( |
| 08:54.34 | Xinhuan | however cladhaire, wowace svn does have a feature to sync repositories i think |
| 08:54.51 | cladhaire | I know, Kaelten added it for me, and I'm using it for Clique |
| 08:54.54 | Xinhuan | so on wowace, a svn can be made to do daily/weekly checkout from another addres |
| 08:54.55 | Grum | just make an addon and external your whole addon into it :p |
| 08:55.02 | cladhaire | but that's because Clique is the least volatile of all of my addons |
| 08:55.03 | Xinhuan | and it will syndicate to curse automatically |
| 08:55.10 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 08:55.12 | cladhaire | I do all of this :P |
| 08:55.15 | cladhaire | for Clique |
| 08:55.18 | Xinhuan | not sure if its what you want though |
| 08:55.21 | Grum | Clique <3 <3 <3 |
| 08:55.29 | cladhaire | my other addons, not so much |
| 08:55.34 | cladhaire | and curse made it clear they don't want LightHeaded |
| 08:55.38 | cladhaire | so fuck them for that :p |
| 08:55.39 | Grum | lol why not? |
| 08:55.44 | cladhaire | because of wowdb |
| 08:55.45 | cladhaire | wowhead |
| 08:55.46 | cladhaire | etc |
| 08:55.48 | cladhaire | bullshit :P |
| 08:55.53 | Grum | lol |
| 08:56.03 | cladhaire | probably better in the long run for LH anyway |
| 08:56.07 | Grum | so because you dont gather your data from wowdb they whine? |
| 08:56.11 | cladhaire | i dont want to have to rewrite a parser |
| 08:56.15 | sylvanaar | good morning cladhaire |
| 08:56.18 | cladhaire | LH's parser is not short |
| 08:56.19 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: morning :P |
| 08:56.33 | Grum | cladhaire: i bet .. lol... you parse whole of wowhead orso? :P |
| 08:56.42 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 08:56.48 | cladhaire | I parse every single quest on Wowhead |
| 08:56.55 | cladhaire | have a complete quest database locally |
| 08:56.59 | cladhaire | then use that to generate the data files |
| 08:57.01 | doom0r | 6k+ and counting.... |
| 08:57.06 | cladhaire | so i can give you rewards, requirements, etc |
| 08:57.24 | Grum | and you are not allowed to put that on curse because they require you to parse wowdb? o.O |
| 08:57.29 | Repo | 10magicrunes: 03dhedbor * r11 MagicRunes.lua: |
| 08:57.30 | Repo | - When not on a DK, you can middle click on the LDB icon to test the display. |
| 08:57.33 | cladhaire | no, I didn't say that |
| 08:57.46 | Grum | so what is their reason? :D |
| 08:58.00 | cladhaire | it doesn't really matter |
| 08:58.04 | cladhaire | they were conflicted internally as well |
| 08:58.16 | cladhaire | but I really dont want to piss of wowhead by posting it on their competitor's website anyway |
| 08:58.23 | cladhaire | since I dont want to have to change everything entirely |
| 08:58.30 | cladhaire | so I was never really considering that |
| 08:58.37 | cladhaire | sighs |
| 08:58.51 | cladhaire | TomTom needs love this weekend |
| 08:58.56 | cladhaire | and o'Praid needs to be written |
| 08:59.05 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1723 / (3 files in 3 directories): v5.01.04 ready for release |
| 08:59.17 | sylvanaar | i need to finish prat3 before LK release |
| 08:59.43 | asmodai | cladhaire: btw, your description of clique on curse.com has: |
| 08:59.48 | asmodai | [SIZE=2][COLOR=Blue]Do not post bugs in my comments. |
| 08:59.53 | sylvanaar | and i was going to write this automated error reporting tool as a proof of concept - time is running out |
| 08:59.54 | cladhaire | asmodai: yeah, i cba to change it :P |
| 08:59.59 | asmodai | ahaha, ok |
| 09:00.00 | asmodai | :D |
| 09:00.03 | cladhaire | it was a direct copy/paste |
| 09:00.34 | Xinhuan | just change the "type" to bbcode |
| 09:00.41 | Xinhuan | and it would probably work |
| 09:00.45 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh 04v5.01.04 * r1724 : Tagging as v5.01.04 |
| 09:00.59 | Arrowmaster | also just disable the comments |
| 09:01.12 | Xinhuan | since the description box accepts "wiki", "bbcode", "html" or just "plain text" |
| 09:01.22 | sylvanaar | Grum you should add something like this to chatter: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14806 |
| 09:02.35 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: I dont mind comments for other things |
| 09:02.41 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: bloat |
| 09:02.41 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: i thought I had.. I'll have to look at it some time later |
| 09:02.54 | doom0r | and throw separate alphas for mouseover and normal on the bg :X |
| 09:02.57 | Grum | sylvanaar: lol that smeels rather useless ;) |
| 09:02.59 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster whatever its 4 lines of code |
| 09:03.06 | sylvanaar | call it what you want |
| 09:03.31 | Arrowmaster | 4 lines for all that? |
| 09:03.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah right |
| 09:03.56 | sylvanaar | to format fontstrings into bbcode? yeah |
| 09:03.59 | sylvanaar | its not hard |
| 09:04.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah but what about options for enabling it and such |
| 09:04.29 | sylvanaar | local fline = line:gsub("|c[fF][fF](%w%w%w%w%w%w)", "[color=#%1]"):gsub("|r", "[/color]") |
| 09:04.38 | sylvanaar | thats most of it right there |
| 09:05.05 | sylvanaar | you mean the dropdown? to pick BBCODE vs text |
| 09:05.34 | Arrowmaster | exactly, what dropdown in chatter |
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| 09:06.19 | Grum | sylvanaar: is there are restriction to only post full alpha text? as you forcibly only replace |cFF |
| 09:06.32 | sylvanaar | huh |
| 09:06.42 | Arrowmaster | perty sure |
| 09:07.03 | Grum | well i assume you can 'AddMessage' text without full alpha set? |
| 09:07.15 | Grum | or adjust the fontstrings ^^ |
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| 09:07.23 | pakoz9 | Question, SelectGossipAvailableQuest(index) - what goes in the (index) portion? |
| 09:07.25 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
| 09:07.44 | sylvanaar | um |cFF = |c00 |
| 09:07.53 | Grum | hmz it is? |
| 09:08.02 | sylvanaar | si |
| 09:08.10 | Grum | errr i dont get that :p |
| 09:08.14 | Grum | why even include it then? |
| 09:08.20 | Grum | they might as well leave it out ;) |
| 09:09.00 | sylvanaar | because with the FF its a 32 bit number |
| 09:09.18 | Grum | |cAARRGGBB ... does changing the 'AA' have any effect at all? |
| 09:09.23 | sylvanaar | no |
| 09:09.27 | sylvanaar | how could it |
| 09:09.40 | asmodai | wth? |
| 09:09.40 | Grum | well you change the color you can change the opacity as well? |
| 09:09.45 | asmodai | Addressing a developer conference in Sydney Australia, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said the idea of using WebKit as the rendering engine within its web browser was "interesting" and added "we may look at that." |
| 09:09.47 | sylvanaar | you change alpha on userdata |
| 09:10.25 | sylvanaar | you have have 10 color codes in one userdata (fontstring0 |
| 09:10.25 | nevcairiel | microsoft even considering using something from the OSS community? unpossible! |
| 09:10.38 | Arrowmaster | webkit isnt oss |
| 09:10.39 | sylvanaar | but that fontstring can only have 1 alpha value |
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| 09:10.45 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Yeah, I was caught off guard a bit. |
| 09:10.48 | asmodai | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/06/microsofts_ballmer_considers_using_webkit_within_ie.html |
| 09:11.01 | Grum | sylvanaar: awww they should just allow it :P |
| 09:12.32 | asmodai | Any of you ever been to Japan by chance? |
| 09:13.00 | pakoz9 | <- |
| 09:13.04 | pakoz9 | @ asmodai |
| 09:13.15 | Xinhuan | nobody visits japan by chance, they go by choice! ;p |
| 09:13.20 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2aCoO3hqQI |
| 09:13.26 | asmodai | Xinhuan: like me, three times thus far |
| 09:13.33 | asmodai | pakoz9: Lets see if you know any of those tunes ;) |
| 09:13.41 | sylvanaar | grum just do |c00000000BLACK|r |
| 09:13.44 | sylvanaar | and see |
| 09:13.50 | asmodai | æ¥æ¬ã¯ãããã§ããï¼ |
| 09:13.55 | Grum | it will just be black i reckon |
| 09:14.06 | sylvanaar | right |
| 09:14.09 | Grum | i assume the fontstring alpha will decide? |
| 09:14.17 | sylvanaar | it will |
| 09:15.30 | sylvanaar | actually Grum get chatter to use LibAlts |
| 09:16.00 | vhaarr | why would anyone use libalts? |
| 09:16.09 | sylvanaar | dont try to troll me |
| 09:16.11 | vhaarr | it's the kind of library that only 1 addon uses |
| 09:16.15 | vhaarr | I'm not trolling |
| 09:16.50 | vhaarr | comparable to that other guy, eh, that made libfilter or something |
| 09:16.52 | sylvanaar | its sole purpose is to be used by other addons |
| 09:16.58 | vhaarr | and that wants to make a library for aura timers |
| 09:16.59 | vhaarr | nimbal? |
| 09:17.00 | sb|work | morning |
| 09:17.02 | Xinhuan | actually vhaarr, i think a lot of addons can benefit from libalts |
| 09:17.15 | Xinhuan | such as guild event organising addons, dkp addons |
| 09:17.19 | vhaarr | perhaps a chat addon + dkp |
| 09:17.21 | sylvanaar | i made it so that other addons can access prat's alt data |
| 09:17.30 | Nayala|AFK | vhaar, you mean the girl that made libfilter. |
| 09:17.34 | Xinhuan | and even orion has a addon that shows what each person can craft in the guild |
| 09:17.35 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: right, see? you're fucked right there |
| 09:17.43 | sylvanaar | no |
| 09:17.47 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: because then you might as well have just added an API to prat |
| 09:17.47 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 09:18.19 | Grum | -> work; sylvanaar i like the way you parse the chatmessage; have to look into that as well :D |
| 09:18.48 | sylvanaar | LibAlts has nothing to do with prat |
| 09:18.48 | Nayala|AFK | And the reason for LibFilter is for my own use, if others like it fine, if not fine, and it's already adapter to more than one addon. |
| 09:19.00 | sylvanaar | 0 |
| 09:19.04 | sylvanaar | none |
| 09:19.06 | sylvanaar | nada |
| 09:20.07 | sylvanaar | I saw someone trying to access prats alt data, so i made a library in which i registered all the alts |
| 09:20.20 | sylvanaar | any addon can register alts in that library |
| 09:20.30 | vhaarr | it's not worth discussing if you just think I'm trolling, so we're done |
| 09:20.53 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 09:22.20 | nevcairiel | the unified API way would've been much cleaner, like GetMinimapShape or GetSellValue |
| 09:22.24 | sylvanaar | Grum feel free to take whatever code you want |
| 09:22.39 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel, to be honest - i have no idea why that is better |
| 09:22.49 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel it made no sense to me at all |
| 09:23.15 | Xinhuan | sylvanaar: its cleaner because no user would run more than 1 minimap addon at any one time |
| 09:23.22 | sylvanaar | instead of making a library, i should declare a global, then everyone should hook it? |
| 09:23.57 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan you can have more than one alt addon. here's how.... |
| 09:24.13 | Xinhuan | i didn't say it applied to the context of libalts ;p |
| 09:24.20 | Xinhuan | i merely explained why it worked for minimap shape |
| 09:24.29 | sylvanaar | I make a guild alt storage addon to preload alt data. When it loads it registers with AltLib |
| 09:26.52 | sylvanaar | producers and consumers dont need to know about each other - i really dont see what people dont like about it i guess. |
| 09:27.25 | Xinhuan | i don't have an issue with it :) |
| 09:28.27 | Nayala|AFK | Layer abstraction is a good thing. |
| 09:29.45 | Zeksie | vhaarr: Don't agree libalts is a 1 mod thing. Would be used by guild roster info things, by tooltip things. not only the chat. Possibly player notes type mods too, to show notes of alts of whatever. |
| 09:30.10 | Zeksie | (and morning).. |
| 09:31.21 | sylvanaar | i didnt want orionshock to reference Prat's variables directly - i just followed the sharedmedia approach |
| 09:31.21 | Zeksie | oooh.. a calendar mod too.. so that the same person is not invited multiple times over many alts. |
| 09:31.29 | Zeksie | yeh |
| 09:31.46 | Zeksie | is anyone working on something for Calendar btw? the current invite method sucks |
| 09:32.12 | sylvanaar | you know they could combine calandar and LFG and get a real tool |
| 09:32.22 | Zeksie | yeh |
| 09:33.05 | Zeksie | LFG tool in EQ was a lot more useful for most ppl. wow's one just doesn't get used by anyone :| |
| 09:33.13 | sylvanaar | right |
| 09:33.17 | doom0r | "By these powers combine, I am Captain Party Manager!." |
| 09:33.20 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: wait does libalts use a saved var? |
| 09:33.24 | sylvanaar | NO |
| 09:33.26 | doom0r | s/combine/combined |
| 09:33.27 | sylvanaar | NO NO NO |
| 09:33.39 | Arrowmaster | then what does it do? |
| 09:33.46 | sylvanaar | its just a registry |
| 09:33.52 | nevcairiel | its just another form of an API =P |
| 09:33.59 | Zeksie | omg.. another 100% USELESS minor glyph.... |
| 09:34.09 | sylvanaar | it is an API |
| 09:34.10 | Zeksie | go go long range pick pocket.. :| |
| 09:34.14 | Arrowmaster | so when prat loads it takes the data from its own saved vars and registers it into libalts? |
| 09:34.18 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 09:34.31 | Arrowmaster | i see problems |
| 09:34.48 | sylvanaar | and since those strings are already loaded... |
| 09:34.52 | sylvanaar | what problems? |
| 09:35.00 | sylvanaar | overwriting etc? |
| 09:35.04 | Arrowmaster | if more than one mod registers |
| 09:35.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 09:35.07 | sylvanaar | right |
| 09:35.18 | sylvanaar | prat has an option to use or not to use the global data |
| 09:36.06 | sylvanaar | thats it, no attempt is made to try and make it any more complicated |
| 09:36.11 | Arrowmaster | wait, why would you make that an option instead of just including it into the libalts design? |
| 09:36.23 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 09:36.32 | Arrowmaster | misread data as date |
| 09:37.30 | sylvanaar | prat registers its data, then it will either use its own internal data or the global data. for most cases the global data is a better choice |
| 09:38.01 | Repo | 10consensus: 03Hindrian * r22 Main.lua: Various |
| 09:38.04 | sylvanaar | but if you need disable it for some reason you can, without messing up any other addons |
| 09:38.48 | sylvanaar | also, the global data is write-once |
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| 09:39.17 | sylvanaar | well, at least thats the idea |
| 09:39.46 | Repo | 10consensus: 03Hindrian * r23 / (2 files in 1 directory): Various |
| 09:40.11 | Arrowmaster | awesome commit messages |
| 09:40.46 | EthanCentaurai | is loving his new iMac :D |
| 09:40.48 | Nayala | Hmm would be nice if Routes had a way to create barriers which it wouldn't try to draw lines though (slightly different from taboos) if I line would cross a barrier it should be draw as if it went to the closest end of the barrier rounded the corner then came back. |
| 09:40.51 | nevcairiel | at least it enforces at least 5 chars or so now |
| 09:40.59 | nevcairiel | and we got svn:eol-style back |
| 09:41.00 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: I hate nonsensical commit messages. |
| 09:41.12 | asmodai | Got a colleague here who has messages like: 'meh' 'boo' |
| 09:43.44 | vhaarr | and your boss doesn't kill him? |
| 09:44.11 | asmodai | Nope. Heck, I doubt he ever saw the source tree. |
| 09:44.16 | vhaarr | Zeksie: I guess, right |
| 09:44.37 | asmodai | So my berating him doesn't solve anything :S |
| 09:44.38 | Arrowmaster | one of those bosses thats really more a manager and doesnt know shit about IT? |
| 09:44.41 | asmodai | Good thing I'm leaving. :) |
| 09:44.44 | vhaarr | asmodai: in that case I guess it's software that won't be in circulation for long? |
| 09:44.46 | Nayala | Besides only thing that matters with code is SLOC ;) |
| 09:44.58 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: He knows about IT, but more for system/network administration. |
| 09:45.04 | asmodai | vhaarr: runs for years :) |
| 09:45.14 | Arrowmaster | your boss is fail then |
| 09:45.20 | vhaarr | then you should have a talk with your colleague |
| 09:45.31 | asmodai | Yeah well, he's the first to professionalize IT here. Sort of a non-profit. |
| 09:45.45 | asmodai | Too much shit to tackle XD |
| 09:46.03 | sylvanaar | being the source control nazi at work is no fun |
| 09:46.07 | vhaarr | if his commit messages are 'meh' and 'boo', I'm guessing his commits span multiple changesets as well |
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| 09:46.27 | asmodai | I joined here about 6 months ago because they said they were doing Unified process for their projects. Yeah right. :) |
| 09:46.37 | asmodai | project definitions on the back of a coaster they meant :) |
| 09:46.49 | asmodai | vhaarr: actually, no, more the group too much shit together in one changeset. :S |
| 09:47.06 | vhaarr | right, or that |
| 09:47.14 | asmodai | He's a smart cookie and programmer though, but doesn't believe in comments or commit messages. Although I think he's getting better bit by bit. |
| 09:47.46 | vhaarr | he'll believe in them the day his commits come back to haunt him, and as long as he stays in the same job for some time, it will happen |
| 09:47.58 | asmodai | *nod* |
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| 09:48.08 | sylvanaar | im not 100% sold on comments either - because they have to be maintained also |
| 09:48.25 | asmodai | I think showing the repo through a browser like Trac's made him open his eyes a bit. |
| 09:48.37 | asmodai | sylvanaar: What can I say, I write documentation for fun ^^ |
| 09:48.38 | Nayala | From what I've seen ... even when commit comments are used most of the time what's looked for is who made the change... |
| 09:48.44 | doom0r | vhaarr: typically, but some people can deal with stuff like that really well |
| 09:48.57 | Nayala | (Work on a code back that goes back decades.) |
| 09:49.07 | sylvanaar | asmodai please make a copy of youself, and upload it somewhere |
| 09:49.09 | doom0r | i can associate completely irrelevant things |
| 09:49.21 | asmodai | Nayala: In my case I like to know what got changed without looking through all the diffs. |
| 09:49.29 | asmodai | sylvanaar: Hehehe |
| 09:49.40 | asmodai | wrote a ton of manual pages for FreeBSD back in the day. |
| 09:49.43 | sylvanaar | i loathe change flags |
| 09:49.50 | sylvanaar | and we use them at work |
| 09:49.59 | Nayala | Possibly, but that's rarely useful in fixing problems from what I seen. (And yes we do have comments) |
| 09:49.59 | asmodai | Became so funny, a lot of people would commit tools and then ask me to write pages. XD |
| 09:50.03 | sylvanaar | or should I say "they" use them |
| 09:50.25 | asmodai | Nayala: Mmm, in my case more from a review point of view, so that I know what to zoom in on wrt code review. |
| 09:50.44 | asmodai | We did manage to introduce formal code review though. |
| 09:51.03 | Arrowmaster | code review isnt that hard to introduce though |
| 09:51.10 | sylvanaar | code review is good - but it has to be handled correctly |
| 09:51.29 | Arrowmaster | people in the IT industry are egotistacal and dont trust each other to be able to do the job right |
| 09:51.35 | Nayala | Yeah but code review is code review... and there is documentation for the code and it must match... but commit logs almost never enter into it. |
| 09:51.36 | Arrowmaster | everybody should want code review |
| 09:51.53 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: Sorry, I meant with introduce that people actually see the value of it to improve the code quality overal and learn from it. |
| 09:52.04 | sylvanaar | right, but code review also wastes resources |
| 09:52.04 | asmodai | Without burning down people for mistakes or the likes. |
| 09:52.20 | sylvanaar | its sole purpose it education |
| 09:52.33 | asmodai | sylvanaar: Mmm, as time progress and you see the quality improve you can cut down on the frequency? |
| 09:52.50 | Xinhuan | http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/11/06/us-army-to-invade-world-of-warcraft-with-ai/1 |
| 09:52.55 | Arrowmaster | no its purpose is to produce better code |
| 09:52.59 | Nayala | It's a value trade depends on the risks of bad code and the cost to fix it.... |
| 09:53.01 | Xinhuan | "It'd be priceless if they got banned for botting." i loled |
| 09:53.18 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster through education |
| 09:54.10 | doom0r | "As an early test though the Army is to upload the AI to World of Warraft..." |
| 09:54.17 | sylvanaar | if its about finding everything wrong with your code, its not useful. if its about teaching you how you can write better code, it is |
| 09:54.18 | doom0r | lines like that make me want to destroy media sources |
| 09:54.46 | doom0r | both failing on terminology and purpose and simple editing |
| 09:55.26 | sylvanaar | if the asset you company is most concerned with is the code - that's already a failure |
| 09:56.11 | asmodai | Funny, my new job will be programming for AI and the likes. |
| 09:56.33 | Nayala | AI is fun |
| 09:56.53 | sylvanaar | I havent ever done much work with AI. |
| 09:57.20 | Nayala | Was into it as a hobby when I was a kid that and robotics. |
| 09:57.50 | sylvanaar | when were you a kid (let me guess) you are 27 now? |
| 09:58.03 | sylvanaar | +-3 |
| 09:58.10 | Nayala | Nope |
| 09:58.26 | thul | http://brighton.gumtree.com/brighton/96/26204796.html |
| 09:58.27 | thul | any takers? :-P |
| 09:58.37 | sylvanaar | well, how old then? |
| 09:58.45 | Nayala | 35 |
| 09:58.50 | sylvanaar | oh same as me |
| 09:58.57 | Nayala | Programming since 1979 |
| 09:59.03 | sylvanaar | ditto |
| 09:59.21 | EthanCentaurai | wonders if sylvanaar and Nayala are the same person |
| 09:59.38 | asmodai | got there a little bit later |
| 09:59.42 | asmodai | I think I started around 1985 |
| 10:00.16 | Nayala | Started with the Pet 2001. Still remember waiting for the tapes to load. |
| 10:00.21 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 10:00.24 | sylvanaar | tapes |
| 10:00.28 | asmodai | Oh no |
| 10:00.44 | asmodai | I remember having to use a screwdriver to fix the alignment of the heads on my C=64 tape drive :( |
| 10:01.07 | sylvanaar | better than nothing though |
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| 10:01.12 | Nayala | Luckly I missed punchcards... but had to deal with some teletypes when I took pascal in college (81 I think) |
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| 10:01.25 | Repo | 10arl: 03Elkano * r1041 ARLFrame.lua: fixed the recipe tooltip; it will now show up \o/ |
| 10:01.25 | Repo | ~lart Ackis |
| 10:01.25 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives Ackis a good jolt |
| 10:01.36 | sylvanaar | the tandy had a punchcard reader back then |
| 10:02.07 | sylvanaar | i took pascal in college, but it was on a mac |
| 10:02.10 | Nayala | The good old trash 80s. |
| 10:02.35 | sylvanaar | I was an apple guy for ages |
| 10:02.48 | sylvanaar | until os 7.1, and I needed a job |
| 10:02.58 | sylvanaar | er System 7.1 |
| 10:03.10 | doom0r | http://pascal-central.com/images/pascalposter.jpg |
| 10:03.23 | Nayala | I was Commodore... my uncle was Radio Shack / Tandy. Best friend was into TI... Another friend into Atari, another was the Apple Guy. |
| 10:03.28 | asmodai | Nayala: yeah, punchcards would've sucked. |
| 10:03.52 | asmodai | Yeah, Commodore here too, 64, 128, Amiga. Did some MSX, ZX Spectrum and so on the sides. |
| 10:04.10 | asmodai | My first PC was a Pentium 166 MMX, so I steered clear of that for as long as I could. |
| 10:04.29 | sylvanaar | my first was 1MHz |
| 10:04.54 | Nayala | I was total Commodore fan... Pet 2001, Vic-20, 64, 128, Plus-4, Amiga 500, 1200, 600, 3000. |
| 10:05.27 | asmodai | Nayala: Yeah, I started with the 500+ back then. |
| 10:05.40 | Grum | sylvanaar: thanks for that; but if i take some code i might as well erm .. write the missing addons from Chatter for Prat |
| 10:05.46 | asmodai | Man, if I had known what I know now about memory I would've been able to fix my expansion board problems easily. |
| 10:06.57 | sylvanaar | Grum what missing addons? |
| 10:07.23 | Grum | well there is probably some stuff that chatter has which prat doesnt have |
| 10:07.29 | Grum | why else would the 2 addons live seperately :P |
| 10:07.35 | Arrowmaster | my first computer was so old i barely remember it |
| 10:07.48 | sylvanaar | Grum different target audiances |
| 10:08.03 | Grum | how do you mean? |
| 10:08.12 | EthanCentaurai | my first computer was an Amstrad with Windows 3.1 and a Sega Megadrive build into the tower |
| 10:08.50 | asmodai | Eh, a Megadrive built in? |
| 10:08.50 | sylvanaar | Grum some ppl dont want something as large as prat, but they still want features chatter fits in that spot nicely |
| 10:09.01 | Arrowmaster | all i remember about mine was i think it was an ibm or ibm clone running dos |
| 10:09.09 | Grum | sylvanaar: kinda silly tbh |
| 10:09.15 | Arrowmaster | Grum: no its not |
| 10:09.18 | sylvanaar | also, some people just wont use prat |
| 10:09.19 | Arrowmaster | i wont use prat |
| 10:09.22 | Arrowmaster | but i use chatter |
| 10:09.27 | Grum | why? :) |
| 10:09.29 | Xinhuan | and i use neither |
| 10:09.39 | Grum | most things can be implemented with minuscuul addons |
| 10:09.58 | EthanCentaurai | aye, a megadrive built in. there's a switch on the front which either reveals a floppy drive or a hole for the cartridge, depending on where it's slid to. |
| 10:10.48 | sylvanaar | everyone has thier reasons for using what they use - its a personal choice |
| 10:10.48 | doom0r | has the original box for his first IBM PC running at 3.586 MHz |
| 10:11.07 | Repo | 10rep2: 03Nirek * r41 Rep2.toc: Rep2: Toc Cleanup |
| 10:11.08 | Repo | - |
| 10:11.20 | Arrowmaster | wow 3.586 MHz, sounds fast |
| 10:11.26 | Nayala | Wow.... fast system.... remember the turbo switches? |
| 10:11.32 | sylvanaar | lol turbo |
| 10:11.33 | doom0r | ya, my TI-82 was faster .... |
| 10:12.32 | Repo | 10rep2: 03Nirek 04v4 * r42 : Rep2: Tagging as v4 |
| 10:12.32 | Repo | - |
| 10:12.32 | doom0r | Nayala: yes.... most pointless |
| 10:12.32 | Grum | turbo was awesome; it actually work |
| 10:12.32 | Grum | +ed; most programs actually ran faster :P |
| 10:12.33 | Grum | fail programs basic timing on NOOPs :p |
| 10:12.33 | Grum | *basing .. cry |
| 10:12.43 | Nayala | Turbo switches where a way to slow the system down actually... because some programs assumed they could count clock cycles... |
| 10:12.59 | doom0r | equates to fail |
| 10:13.04 | Arrowmaster | wait 3.586 MHz doesnt sound right..... |
| 10:13.20 | doom0r | Arrowmaster: I disassembled it |
| 10:13.25 | Nayala | Actually for some it was the program didn't have the clock cycles to wait... had barely enough power to do what it was supposed to. |
| 10:13.32 | Arrowmaster | the 8086 had a max clock speed of 5-10 MHz |
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| 10:13.52 | sylvanaar | my 65C02 was 1Mhz |
| 10:14.16 | sylvanaar | 3 registers |
| 10:14.31 | asmodai | is it just me or is slashdot having a lot of whitespace between articles now? |
| 10:15.32 | Arrowmaster | doom0r: 8085? |
| 10:15.36 | sylvanaar | that reminds me - its time to buy a new PC. |
| 10:15.41 | Grum | more cores! |
| 10:15.47 | Nayala | Really wish IBM had gone with Z80. |
| 10:15.48 | Arrowmaster | i7! |
| 10:15.54 | asmodai | z80 is sweet |
| 10:15.55 | Grum | quad cpu i7! |
| 10:15.56 | sylvanaar | have the 4xQuads come out yet |
| 10:16.00 | doom0r | dunno, haven't had the actual comp in years |
| 10:16.10 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8085 |
| 10:16.16 | Grum | sylvanaar: no consumer grade motherboards :9 |
| 10:16.20 | Arrowmaster | Max CPU clock 3,5 and 6 MHz |
| 10:16.45 | Arrowmaster | theres boards for the i7, it hasnt officially launched yet i dont think has it? |
| 10:16.54 | Arrowmaster | but ive seen reviews of atleast 3 different boards |
| 10:17.00 | sylvanaar | i only buy intel boards anyways |
| 10:17.11 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 10:17.22 | sylvanaar | experience |
| 10:17.34 | sylvanaar | they are rock solid |
| 10:18.04 | sylvanaar | and well supported |
| 10:18.09 | doom0r | rock solid <-> features |
| 10:18.20 | doom0r | that's my issue with them |
| 10:18.40 | doom0r | but of course, that's use, ymmw |
| 10:18.44 | doom0r | ymmv* |
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| 10:18.55 | sylvanaar | honestly - the motherboard doesnt need to have 10 raid controllers 2 wireless nics, 24 usb ports...etc |
| 10:19.06 | doom0r | oh no, certainly not |
| 10:19.51 | Arrowmaster | but it needs to have a good selection of pcie slots imho |
| 10:19.56 | Arrowmaster | which most boards fail at |
| 10:20.01 | doom0r | but having the things you want for a desktop without waiting two years to get it all on one board and with a decent chipset |
| 10:20.03 | sylvanaar | mine wasnt missing any features, i have 975XBX and 975XBX2 |
| 10:21.16 | sylvanaar | i cant stand asus |
| 10:21.30 | doom0r | i don't see why anyone does? |
| 10:21.39 | doom0r | all i hear is about people rma'ing their stuff |
| 10:22.06 | sylvanaar | i have 3 dead boards here in a box next to me |
| 10:22.17 | Arrowmaster | i have a gigabyte board right now although its got a lot of issues but i dont really blame that on gigabyte |
| 10:22.19 | sylvanaar | total POS |
| 10:22.37 | asmodai | My Asus board is working quite stable actually. |
| 10:22.45 | Grum | lol hard to search for quad socket motherboards :P |
| 10:22.51 | doom0r | gigabyte was a very big player for some time |
| 10:22.53 | Nayala | I used to like gigabyte boards years ago... had some nice ones. |
| 10:23.12 | Arrowmaster | of the 3 x58 boards i saw reviewed i was thinking of getting either the gigabyte or asus |
| 10:23.13 | sylvanaar | yeah, they did have a good rep back in 2004 at least |
| 10:23.36 | Nayala | Since I've switched to Mac haven't keep up with all the PC boards. |
| 10:23.42 | sylvanaar | my asus board at work is fine too - but im not as demanding of it either |
| 10:23.44 | Arrowmaster | thats when i got this board |
| 10:24.01 | asmodai | I think the stuff I do at home is more demanding that what I do at work :) |
| 10:24.05 | Arrowmaster | my only real issue with it is the onboard raid that puts noise on the pci buss |
| 10:24.06 | Grum | humz seems there is no multi-socket 775 |
| 10:24.11 | Grum | only multisocket 771 |
| 10:24.31 | Nayala | Went Mac half because of Unix, half because I work on PPC tools at work... then they switch to Intel. |
| 10:24.49 | asmodai | >_< |
| 10:24.54 | asmodai | PPC > x86 |
| 10:24.59 | sylvanaar | i want a 4 socket that will take quad cores...i was hoping they'd have one by now |
| 10:25.06 | Grum | nope |
| 10:25.10 | Grum | its not there sylvanaar |
| 10:25.11 | asmodai | Coming from the Motorola 68k assembly side I loathe x86 with a passion. |
| 10:25.22 | Grum | only quad-cpu dualcore xeons |
| 10:25.28 | Grum | humms |
| 10:25.36 | Grum | that is not true; we have servers with 126cores |
| 10:25.39 | Grum | erm 16 =) |
| 10:25.45 | sylvanaar | i was a mac guy all my life, but they just failed too hard back in 1996 |
| 10:25.48 | Nayala | (I work on compilers debuggers etc... the lack of GPRs is a nightmare.) |
| 10:25.54 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: core2quads cant be used in smp can they? |
| 10:26.41 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster why not? |
| 10:27.02 | Arrowmaster | because the processor and chipset have to support it? |
| 10:27.14 | Arrowmaster | well i didnt really mean smp |
| 10:27.28 | Arrowmaster | since they have to support smp anyway, but multi chips |
| 10:27.48 | sylvanaar | right, the chipset has to support them |
| 10:28.15 | Zeksie | anyone had potions bugging out? ie: potion sickness remaining indefinitely out of combat? |
| 10:28.35 | Nayala | Not a bug |
| 10:28.43 | Nayala | Can only use 1 potion per battle now. |
| 10:28.53 | Zeksie | read again |
| 10:28.56 | sylvanaar | every time i read about itaniums i want to buy one - course then i look at the price |
| 10:29.05 | Pucmel | hmmm sun t5440 ... 4xt2 with 8cores each ... do the math |
| 10:29.10 | Zeksie | remaining indefinitely 'OUT OF COMBAT' |
| 10:29.12 | Arrowmaster | ehh itaniums failed hard |
| 10:29.14 | Nayala | Oh missed the out... |
| 10:29.18 | Arrowmaster | and are perty useless |
| 10:29.41 | sylvanaar | what makes you say that |
| 10:29.52 | Arrowmaster | unless we are talking about different itaniums |
| 10:29.55 | Pucmel | shitanim is dying ... hp is focusing on x86 market |
| 10:29.58 | Pucmel | hpux same story |
| 10:30.04 | Pucmel | shitanium ofc |
| 10:30.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah ia64 failed |
| 10:30.23 | Arrowmaster | nobody uses it |
| 10:30.27 | Nayala | We still have to upgrade to the IA64 stuff at work. (Use HP-UX) |
| 10:30.30 | sylvanaar | yeah because Intel64 is just ia32 with marketing spin |
| 10:30.55 | Arrowmaster | itaniums are ia64 |
| 10:31.01 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 10:31.01 | Repo | 10skillet: 03lilsparky 06lilsparkys-clone * r151 / (7 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 10:31.03 | Repo | Skillet: |
| 10:31.04 | Repo | -updated support for ackis recipe list |
| 10:31.06 | Repo | -improved handling of tradeskill links |
| 10:31.10 | Repo | -added ability to examine all recipes for every skill |
| 10:31.15 | Arrowmaster | and not x86-64 like all their new chips |
| 10:31.16 | doom0r | ia64 != intel64 |
| 10:31.18 | sylvanaar | Intel64 = ia32, itanium = ia64 |
| 10:31.53 | Arrowmaster | and what exactly would you run on an ia64 |
| 10:32.00 | Pucmel | itanium is no match for power5/power6 or ultrasparcVII nowadays |
| 10:32.38 | Pucmel | not even for new intel x86 cpus |
| 10:32.43 | sylvanaar | really. i was just looking at the intel web site - so thats why i mentioned it |
| 10:32.52 | asmodai | Jeez ia64 still gets sold? |
| 10:32.53 | Pucmel | but they are rly trying to push it with the price (hp i mean) |
| 10:33.04 | asmodai | HP letting the Alpha die == dumb. |
| 10:33.05 | Nayala | Yeah newest version of HP-UX is IA64 based. |
| 10:33.08 | Pucmel | i saw number of shops with 'we must take it' offers from hp |
| 10:33.21 | sylvanaar | is there something wrong with IA64 other than low market penetration? |
| 10:33.28 | Pucmel | architecture |
| 10:33.31 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:33.33 | Pucmel | sold by hp |
| 10:33.35 | Arrowmaster | it sucks |
| 10:33.36 | Pucmel | uses hp-ux |
| 10:33.37 | Pucmel | etc :) |
| 10:33.45 | Pucmel | abadoning tru64 was rly bad |
| 10:33.50 | Pucmel | especially advfs filesystem |
| 10:33.55 | Nayala | HP-UX isn't that bad... |
| 10:34.00 | asmodai | I have an acquaintance @ HP who worked for the storage systems group and did a lot of Alpha stuff. |
| 10:34.11 | sylvanaar | what does that have to do with the IA64 |
| 10:34.21 | asmodai | He mentioned to me that HP had benchmarks showing how Alpha ran circles around IA64 |
| 10:34.29 | Arrowmaster | you realize thats about all you can use an ia64 for |
| 10:34.29 | Pucmel | can be true |
| 10:34.32 | asmodai | In such a way that was not even funny. |
| 10:34.40 | Nayala | Won't surprise me. |
| 10:34.48 | Pucmel | we have critical system on alphas .. running np |
| 10:34.52 | Pucmel | no need to migrate / upgrade |
| 10:34.56 | sylvanaar | you can run windows on itanium |
| 10:35.00 | Arrowmaster | alphas ran circles around everything |
| 10:35.14 | Pucmel | compaq screwed alphas |
| 10:35.18 | Pucmel | they only want pc division |
| 10:35.25 | asmodai | Pucmel: yeah, at one of my jobs I managed to purchase some GS80s and E40 or was it E45s, damn fine machines. |
| 10:35.28 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: i dont think microsoft supports that version anymore |
| 10:35.39 | Nayala | Had a opportunity to work with the team that made the Alpha wish I had taken i... |
| 10:35.55 | Nayala | i = it. |
| 10:35.57 | Pucmel | multiple qbbs 15 ? years ago |
| 10:36.01 | Pucmel | was like dream machine |
| 10:36.22 | Nayala | Alas best != marketable... |
| 10:36.26 | asmodai | Nayala: Oh nice. |
| 10:36.42 | Nayala | Fortunately worse != marketable either. |
| 10:36.45 | asmodai | Most of them later on left towards AMD IIRC. |
| 10:36.59 | asmodai | I am just surprised how x86 just refuses to die. |
| 10:37.07 | Nayala | Not surprised... |
| 10:37.12 | Nayala | Legacy is powerful. |
| 10:37.24 | asmodai | Reminds me of SunOS/Solaris. |
| 10:37.34 | asmodai | I cursed backwards compatibility a few times. |
| 10:37.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah x86 is only alive because of compatibility |
| 10:37.43 | Pucmel | anway ... it was possible to buy alpha machine year agon |
| 10:37.44 | Pucmel | ago |
| 10:37.47 | asmodai | Since you got stuck with some highly idiotic stuff. :S |
| 10:37.51 | Pucmel | if you was in us army :) |
| 10:37.57 | Pucmel | they stop the production last year |
| 10:38.11 | Nayala | Pitty. |
| 10:38.30 | asmodai | Hahaha, those HP engineers that came to service our Alphas said they had quite a few PDP10 or 11s still in the field. |
| 10:38.52 | Grum | sylvanaar: seems only to be dual quad :( |
| 10:39.11 | Nayala | When I was studying CPU design I was so sure VLIW RISC would be the way of the future. |
| 10:39.17 | Pucmel | well hp is good at screwing things |
| 10:39.19 | Pucmel | first alphas |
| 10:39.24 | Pucmel | next pariscs |
| 10:39.27 | Pucmel | good job |
| 10:39.32 | Arrowmaster | Nayala: risc is what most processors use |
| 10:39.41 | Nayala | I know. |
| 10:39.57 | Pucmel | amd64 has adopted many 'risc' thingies |
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| 10:40.06 | Nayala | Majored in computer engineering CPU design was my focus.... ended up a programmer, but that's not what I was going for. |
| 10:40.33 | Nayala | May not be in touch with the latest CPU design techniques... but not completely out of touch either. |
| 10:40.42 | Arrowmaster | the x86 has been nothing but risc processors for years, its just a compatility layer ontop of the processor to make it appear like the old designs |
| 10:41.08 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r160 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Do not include embeds.xml for nolib builds |
| 10:41.09 | Repo | - Fix some locale indexes for zhTW and zhCN |
| 10:41.15 | Nayala | Yep.... |
| 10:41.26 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: The question is when they will start chucking some of the old shit |
| 10:41.34 | Nayala | Didn't see that coming when I was in school assumed it would just die out. |
| 10:41.46 | Arrowmaster | probably not until a really major event in the computer world happens |
| 10:41.59 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r106 modules/PlayerNameGlobalPatterns.lua: nil error |
| 10:42.01 | Arrowmaster | since they wont as long as they need to be able to run code for older systems |
| 10:42.10 | asmodai | eyes 2038 |
| 10:42.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 10:42.23 | Arrowmaster | that wont effect it |
| 10:42.24 | asmodai | I seriously hope it won't take that long |
| 10:42.27 | Nayala | Emulation is easy... but as you say a switch needs a drive at this point. |
| 10:42.41 | Nayala | 2000 was bad enough. |
| 10:42.42 | Arrowmaster | depends on the emulation though |
| 10:42.48 | asmodai | A damn stake through the heart of this undead creature! |
| 10:43.28 | Nayala | Emulation is pretty much just writing a compiler for machine language :) |
| 10:43.34 | Arrowmaster | if the emulation cant emulate a modern processor of the latest design then it likely wont be used |
| 10:44.13 | Nayala | Problem is more basic then that... just because a new system can run old code is not enough to switch. |
| 10:44.20 | Arrowmaster | if say it works but cant run anything that needs a processor thats less than 5 years old i dont see it being accepted |
| 10:44.37 | Arrowmaster | so true |
| 10:44.50 | Arrowmaster | we are still having issues with the 64 bit switch |
| 10:45.11 | sylvanaar | i use vmware |
| 10:45.11 | Arrowmaster | and that started right after i built this computer |
| 10:45.16 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r161 TradeskillInfoUI/locale-zhTW.lua: -Replace locale-zhTW with arioso27's translation |
| 10:45.22 | Nayala | I'm still waiting for the binary to trinary switch. |
| 10:45.35 | Arrowmaster | and i desperately need an upgrade |
| 10:45.43 | Arrowmaster | still using an athlon xp |
| 10:46.04 | sylvanaar | i need to find out when they plan on making 4x4's |
| 10:46.05 | Repo | 10skillet: 03next96 06lilsparkys-clone * r152 Locale/Locale-koKR.lua: Skillet: |
| 10:46.07 | Repo | - Update locale koKR |
| 10:46.14 | sylvanaar | maybe not worth waiting for them |
| 10:46.19 | Nayala | Trinary actually makes a lot of sense... but only ideally, not practically at this point. |
| 10:46.44 | sylvanaar | analog computers make sense in ideal cases too |
| 10:46.45 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: late 2009 |
| 10:47.12 | sylvanaar | ok, so 2x4 it is |
| 10:47.32 | sylvanaar | next question, vid card |
| 10:47.34 | Arrowmaster | your still going to be waiting if your wanting an i7 |
| 10:47.38 | asmodai | I need to see what I need to replace in my computer to speed it up a bit. |
| 10:48.07 | asmodai | guess it'll be mainboard, CPU, memory. |
| 10:48.10 | Arrowmaster | intel roadmap says q1 09 for DP server i7 |
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| 10:48.52 | sylvanaar | =/ |
| 10:48.58 | doom0r | asmodai: build a new box then |
| 10:49.14 | Arrowmaster | for multi processor desktop i7 its likely q4 09 |
| 10:49.47 | Arrowmaster | im just going to build a new i7 system, i doubt ill need to upgrade it anytime soon |
| 10:50.36 | Arrowmaster | "A 2.93 GHz Nehalem "Bloomfield" system has been used to run a 3DMark Vantage benchmark and gave a CPU score of 17,966.[12] The 2.66 GHz variant scores 16,294. A 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo E6600 scores 4,300.[13]" |
| 10:50.47 | Repo | 10feed-machine: 03Nirek * r49 FeedMachine.lua: FeedMachine: fix for InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToFrame |
| 10:50.49 | Arrowmaster | that is comparing a quadcore with HT to a duel core though |
| 10:51.27 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v1.1-beta3 * r162 : Tagging as v1.1-beta3 |
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| 10:51.38 | sylvanaar | i could get this http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D5400XS/D5400XS-overview.htm |
| 10:51.47 | angelike | hi all |
| 10:52.10 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: just get an i7 |
| 10:52.31 | sylvanaar | i hate waiting |
| 10:52.38 | Arrowmaster | its coming out this month |
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| 10:56.19 | Repo | 10bunch-of-bars: 03Mininova * r96 / (5 files in 5 directories): BunchOfBars: Fixed some .toc files |
| 10:56.49 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r163 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Include other changes from arioso27 |
| 10:56.50 | Repo | - Add some placeholders to TradeskillData-zhCN.lua |
| 10:57.29 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v1.1-beta5 * r164 : Tagging as v1.1-beta5 |
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| 11:05.45 | asmodai | All trade skills now provide some special benefit to the crafter that isn't just a super item. In the case of blacksmithing it's the ability to add sockets to your gear. |
| 11:05.53 | asmodai | Eh? When did they add that socket ability? |
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| 11:09.06 | EthanCentaurai | ok noob question, how do I open the .ssh folder in my Mac Home folder? |
| 11:09.15 | Zhinjio | asmodai: where are you seeing that? my blacksmith decidedly does not have that ability |
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| 11:09.31 | asmodai | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/19/11296527383-will-there-be-a-makeable-stormherald-like-wep.html |
| 11:09.34 | sylvanaar | so yeah, vid card - any recommendations? |
| 11:09.50 | asmodai | Maybe it's an upcoming change then. |
| 11:10.14 | vhaarr | it's coming in wotlk |
| 11:10.28 | Zhinjio | ah, yeah |
| 11:13.44 | doom0r | oh wow, my ass is getting a freakin carpet |
| 11:14.42 | Fisker- | hahah |
| 11:14.44 | Fisker- | madness |
| 11:14.57 | doom0r | skinning seems the best |
| 11:15.01 | doom0r | 25 crit rating |
| 11:15.07 | Fisker- | Nehalem costs 3 times as much here as in the US |
| 11:15.56 | Repo | 10skinner: 03Jncl 07master * b1.9183.0-1-gb8ba845 / (9 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Skinner: Skinned MakeRocketGoNow |
| 11:16.24 | Repo | 10skinner: 03Jncl 04b1.9183.1 * 6bf85ca /: [new tag] Tagging as b1.9183.1 |
| 11:18.59 | EthanCentaurai | why does my iMac keep dropping the wireless connection? :/ |
| 11:19.29 | fry | Err, does anyone know some stuff about the thing that happens when you type /g and the chat edit box is replaced with "Guild: <text>"? Like, related API functions, or maybe just the frame name, I don't know :v |
| 11:20.00 | doom0r | because <insert higher power here> hates ikea styling |
| 11:20.41 | SunTsu | fry: Why don't you just look into Chatter or any incarnation of Prat? |
| 11:20.59 | doom0r | hmmm that reminds me |
| 11:21.37 | doom0r | chatter doesn't capitalize the name if i use lower case |
| 11:21.42 | doom0r | it keeps it how i type it |
| 11:28.41 | doom0r | someone been playing with the ticket system? |
| 11:29.31 | doom0r | types not changing teh outline and component is shown with --- |
| 11:30.10 | Xinhuan | whatcha need doom0r? |
| 11:30.42 | doom0r | i posted it, just seems like someone's changing it around on the live site rather than the beta one |
| 11:30.54 | Xinhuan | posted what |
| 11:31.15 | doom0r | scroll 7 lines |
| 11:31.23 | Xinhuan | ok i'm totally lost |
| 11:31.29 | Xinhuan | scroll what? |
| 11:31.51 | doom0r | -05:21:56- [doom0r]: chatter doesn't capitalize the name if i use lower case |
| 11:32.05 | doom0r | then i went to post a ticket |
| 11:32.37 | doom0r | don't really need anything |
| 11:32.58 | Xinhuan | hmm yes, something seems wrong with the ticket system |
| 11:33.06 | Xinhuan | poke ckknight ;p |
| 11:33.13 | doom0r | like someones playing with templates on the live site |
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| 11:38.42 | Nirek | hmm, that's odd, my project just went 'outofdate' with my last commit |
| 11:40.31 | doom0r | does it check toc's? |
| 11:40.45 | doom0r | your toc ## Interface: 20400 |
| 11:43.14 | doom0r | Nirek: and your nolib is showing 2.4.3 on the page |
| 11:43.30 | Nirek | interesting |
| 11:44.12 | doom0r | with that note, i must retire before the light comes |
| 11:44.42 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 04Beta 14 * r107 : Tagging as Beta 14 |
| 11:45.19 | Repo | 10feed-machine: 03Nirek * r50 FeedMachine.toc: FeedMachine: fix toc |
| 11:46.27 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r77 NautUI.lua: Nauticus: fix tooltip in some LDB displays |
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| 11:50.25 | EthanCentaurai | I've created an SSH key using terminal and it says it's been saved to /Users/<me>/.ssh but I can't find this folder... I assume it's hidden. How do I open it? sorry if anyone answered this earlier, but my wireless connection keeps dropping off randomly :/ |
| 11:50.28 | EthanCentaurai | it's happened again... >:| |
| 11:51.10 | Repo | 10track-o-matique: 03Anyia3 * r22 Track-o-Matique.lua: |
| 11:51.11 | Repo | * Finally squashed the "Only with Improved Tracking" option bug. Turns out |
| 11:51.12 | Repo | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD was too early to have the talent information available, |
| 11:51.13 | Repo | but I never noticed because I /console reloadui all the time while developing, |
| 11:51.16 | Xinhuan | show hidden folders? |
| 11:51.17 | Repo | and hence I always saw the talent information. |
| 11:51.27 | Xinhuan | (it shouldn't be hidden btw) |
| 11:51.54 | Repo | 10track-o-matique: 03Anyia3 041.8 * r23 : Tagging as 1.8 |
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| 11:53.54 | Droolio | aren't files and folders beginning with . hidden in nix? |
| 11:54.15 | asmodai | yups |
| 11:54.16 | EthanCentaurai | I assume so |
| 11:54.17 | Droolio | ls -la |
| 11:54.31 | asmodai | you need the -a option yes |
| 11:56.07 | EthanCentaurai | where do I do that? :) |
| 11:56.23 | EthanCentaurai | terminal? |
| 11:57.13 | asmodai | yes |
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| 11:58.35 | asmodai | Antiarc: nice fix btw |
| 11:58.40 | Antiarc | ? |
| 11:58.53 | asmodai | Antiarc: was about to ask yesterday if you spotted the ping on sexmap bug with showing raw colouring |
| 11:59.01 | asmodai | and then my addon updated :) |
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| 12:01.11 | Repo | 10debuff-enough: 03Nickodemus_wow * r4 / (2 files in 1 directory): major functionality implemented |
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| 12:02.26 | EthanCentaurai | I fail :S |
| 12:03.57 | EthanCentaurai | and so does my wireless >:| |
| 12:04.19 | EthanCentaurai | ffs my iMac fails whereas my laptop wins :S |
| 12:04.21 | Repo | 10chatter: 03Antiarc * r212 / (3 files in 3 directories): |
| 12:04.23 | Repo | Added SplitText module. Extends the chat edit box to 2048 max characters and splits messages on spaces and link boundaries, then sends messages in multiple pieces. No more frustration as pasting long blue quotes! |
| 12:05.03 | Xinhuan | spam-ware |
| 12:05.12 | Antiarc | Meh. Maybe. :P |
| 12:05.20 | Antiarc | But I get super annoyed at pasting a quote |
| 12:05.24 | Antiarc | And having it cut off the last 30 bytes |
| 12:07.27 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 12:08.26 | asmodai | Wow, nice. |
| 12:08.33 | asmodai | Antiarc: also works for item links? |
| 12:08.47 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 12:08.48 | asmodai | Oh, wait, link boundaries. |
| 12:08.56 | Antiarc | I just linked about 16 things in one message :D |
| 12:09.27 | asmodai | Hahaha, I tend to be my guild database, so linking items annoys me at times when I cannot continue linking stuff in my chat edit box. |
| 12:09.50 | Antiarc | well, you can link up to 8 times as many now |
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| 12:10.24 | asmodai | yay |
| 12:12.14 | asmodai | Ok, if some description says: improves critical strike chance of all spells by x%, it means you have more possibility to score a crit with any spell. But when I see 'increase the critical effect chance by x%', how should I understand that? It still sounds like it crit hits more. Same meaning, different description? |
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| 12:20.15 | Repo | 10fu-bar_pet-info-fu: 03Jaydehawk * r94 / (3 files in 1 directory): FuBar_PetInfoFu: |
| 12:20.16 | Repo | - 3.0.3 fixed language issue and Guard Dog |
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| 12:22.24 | Repo | 10fu-bar_pet-info-fu: 03Jaydehawk 04v3.0.3 * r95 : Tagging as v3.0.3 |
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| 12:28.06 | WobWork | http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-11-07.gif |
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| 12:33.12 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r83 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 12:33.12 | Repo | Changed lifebloom, so it will now count towards the total of HoTs on a player. |
| 12:33.13 | Repo | On a side note: didn't change anything besides priorities since yesterday, but now (after server restarts), it's working as intended. |
| 12:36.49 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe 0484b * r84 : looks good now |
| 12:38.38 | Repo | 10cryolysis3: 03Belazor * r78 classes/paladin/paladin.lua: Fix Paladin reagents. |
| 12:39.57 | Antiarc | Does PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD fire on reloadui? |
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| 12:45.35 | Repo | 10utopia: 03Zeksie * r31 / (2 files in 1 directory): Utopia: Engine improvements. |
| 12:45.36 | Repo | - Will pick up debuffs on your current target now, regardless if it's currently engaged by your group. So things work if you join in late. |
| 12:45.36 | Repo | - Will scan unit debuffs on target change to account for those ones that don't appear in combat log (Savage Combat, Blood Frenzy), and also allows for joining a fight late. |
| 12:45.42 | Repo | - Will deactivate engine when you zone into a battleground. |
| 12:48.42 | Repo | 10handynotes_createnotehere: 03ethancentaurai 07master * 30db3cf / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] And so it begins... |
| 12:48.56 | EthanCentaurai | about bloody time :P |
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| 12:50.20 | Groktar | huggles EthanCentaurai |
| 12:50.31 | EthanCentaurai | huggles Groktar |
| 12:50.53 | Groktar | whispers lewd suggestions in EthanCentaurai's ear |
| 12:50.58 | Repo | 10sexymap: 03Antiarc 07master * ef687ed / (5 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add first alpha of the HudMap. Very basic. |
| 12:52.56 | EthanCentaurai | goes back to work |
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| 12:56.27 | Repo | 10bigwigs_crowdcontrol: 03ethancentaurai 07master * 364fa94 / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +2 commits] |
| 12:56.28 | Repo | 364fa94: Fix line endings |
| 12:56.29 | Repo | 7f0e3ec: And so it begins... |
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| 12:58.08 | Fisker- | this is madness |
| 12:58.20 | WobWork | Madness? |
| 12:58.29 | Kuja^ | this is sparta |
| 12:58.30 | WobWork | This. Is. wowace |
| 12:58.44 | Fisker- | I'm pretty sure it's just plain old madness |
| 12:58.44 | fry | hehe funny!!!! |
| 12:59.04 | Fisker- | The Core i7 965 Extreme is $3k here |
| 12:59.05 | Fisker- | :E |
| 12:59.22 | Fisker- | bricks were shat |
| 12:59.57 | Repo | 10prat_bottlecap: 03ethancentaurai 07master * 4d50f7f / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] And so it begins... |
| 13:00.21 | Antiarc | eh? |
| 13:00.24 | Antiarc | What are these commits? |
| 13:00.54 | EthanCentaurai | the are new projects created by moi, finally getting pushed to AceForge |
| 13:01.23 | Antiarc | ah |
| 13:01.56 | EthanCentaurai | the repos were created and approved months ago, but I only just managed to get Git to work again :/ |
| 13:01.59 | sb|work | Fisker-: go get banned :/ |
| 13:02.29 | EthanCentaurai | celebrates by hanging up the laundry and fetching a sammich |
| 13:03.38 | Fisker- | no sb|work |
| 13:03.41 | Fisker- | i can't get banned |
| 13:04.14 | p4aved | realms are dead?... |
| 13:04.26 | Fisker- | 2. Revised QPI/DRAM Core Voltage setting in CPU Level Up |
| 13:04.27 | Fisker- | yay |
| 13:04.30 | Fisker- | my cpu can level up! |
| 13:04.42 | Fisker- | i hope it specs performance |
| 13:06.51 | neenee | :P |
| 13:07.01 | asmodai | ~wowalert |
| 13:07.02 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 13:07.18 | Fisker- | i wonder what they hotfixed |
| 13:07.19 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 13:07.47 | Fisker- | 2. Revised QPI/DRAM Core Voltage setting in CPU Level Up |
| 13:07.49 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 13:07.59 | WobWork | FiskersCPU: Ding! |
| 13:08.07 | WobWork | FiskersMobo: Grats! |
| 13:08.13 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh * r52 GuildManagementTools (3 files in 2 directories): options not being saved |
| 13:08.21 | Fisker- | :D |
| 13:09.40 | robotusch | :? |
| 13:10.13 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 13:11.49 | Repo | 10fu-bar_skills-plus-fu: 03Jaydehawk * r118 / (4 files in 1 directory): FuBar_SkillsPlusFu: |
| 13:11.50 | Repo | 3.0.1 - bugfix embed.xml, Salt Shaker cooldown |
| 13:12.59 | Repo | 10fu-bar_skills-plus-fu: 03Jaydehawk 04v3.0.1 * r119 : Tagging as v3.0.1 |
| 13:13.21 | Antiarc | http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/images2-20ducks-2c-201-20cup.jpg |
| 13:13.37 | asmodai | awww |
| 13:13.38 | asmodai | <3 |
| 13:14.21 | EthanCentaurai | <3 |
| 13:16.10 | Fisker- | aww man |
| 13:16.18 | Fisker- | here i was hoping for ducks eating their own poo |
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| 13:18.04 | EthanCentaurai | ~epic fail Fisker- |
| 13:18.04 | purl | Fisker-, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Fisker-, you are that epic failure. |
| 13:19.39 | Fisker- | nooooo |
| 13:19.55 | EthanCentaurai | ~epic fail EthanCentaurai's wireless connection |
| 13:19.56 | purl | EthanCentaurai's wireless connection, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you EthanCentaurai's wireless connection, you are that epic failure. |
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| 13:26.23 | Droolio | is AceTimer accurate enough to fire every 0.2s? i understand it only checks every 0.1... |
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| 13:27.18 | balstor | cncfanatics ping |
| 13:28.07 | Mikk | Droolio: Yes, it will fire your every-0.2s timers just fine |
| 13:28.14 | Mikk | Since 0.2s is less often than 0.1s |
| 13:28.23 | quiescens | no wai |
| 13:29.10 | Droolio | ah cool, was just worried it might be prone to skip a beat |
| 13:29.24 | Mikk | It will even fire something like 0.16s accurately over a longer period of time, e.g. 62 times over 10 seconds. But what will happen is you'll get two pulses on some 0.1s boundaries, and just one on others. |
| 13:29.35 | Mikk | I.e. it acts as if your framerate is 10 |
| 13:29.57 | Mikk | Of course, if your framerate is 3, you won't be getting 0.2s resolution out of any timer system |
| 13:30.08 | Droolio | aye |
| 13:33.27 | quiescens | what if they have a framerate of 1 |
| 13:33.37 | Grum | then you have 1 check per second |
| 13:33.50 | Grum | i'm always curious what people are checking if they are checking something every '0.2s' :P |
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| 13:33.52 | quiescens | that's discrimination! |
| 13:34.22 | balstor | welcome to about 90% of applications with a 3D front end |
| 13:35.04 | Nirek | hmm, how would I go about replicating SecureStateAnchor_RunChild(self.feedButton, "OnEnter", "onenterbutton")? Tried a couple of things with the new handler system, but can't seem to get it working right |
| 13:35.31 | Groktar | no realms up? |
| 13:36.34 | Droolio | Grum: not checking anything, updating data for moving map icons |
| 13:36.54 | Grum | Droolio: what kind of map-icons? |
| 13:37.07 | Grum | because doing that every 0.2 seconds is easily said wrong :) |
| 13:37.07 | Droolio | boats and zeps |
| 13:37.12 | Grum | hmm |
| 13:37.16 | Droolio | why? :) |
| 13:37.22 | Toadkiller | well, I believe GridStatusLifebloom is checked every 0.2 seconds. This lets the fractional seconds tick down etc. |
| 13:37.44 | Grum | mmmm as long as you dont see them on the minimap :p |
| 13:37.51 | Grum | i guess its not noticed that much :) |
| 13:38.02 | Droolio | they're on both maps :) |
| 13:38.18 | Grum | well minimap needs to be updated every frame if you are moving to keep a smooth motion |
| 13:38.45 | balstor | nice curseclient can't keep track of the year hahahah |
| 13:39.17 | Droolio | grum: aye, but using astrolabe for that - it uses cooroutines(?) i believe - to update per frame |
| 13:39.37 | Grum | oh yes lol .. astrolabe fails as well :p |
| 13:39.51 | Droolio | oh? :) |
| 13:41.02 | Groktar | i just realized my cat is 18 years old now |
| 13:41.09 | Grum | thats old! =) |
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| 13:41.23 | Groktar | gently pats Fluffy |
| 13:41.31 | Grum | Droolio: its hard to have moving object appear smooth if you move as well :D |
| 13:42.12 | Droolio | grum: i know. previously i was using the non-cooroutine version and synchronising positional updates every 0.2s |
| 13:42.44 | Droolio | but atm there isn't a non-coroutine version with wotlk data :/ |
| 13:42.45 | Grum | what addon uses the boat/zepp display? ^^ |
| 13:42.55 | Droolio | was considering doing my own coroutine heh |
| 13:42.57 | Droolio | Nauticus |
| 13:43.12 | Grum | mm does that work 'good' if you dont have other people using it? |
| 13:43.33 | Droolio | not really, atm it requires a handful of ppl to keep the data fresh |
| 13:43.46 | Droolio | it works well with just a few ppl tho |
| 13:43.48 | Groktar | whispers sweet nothings into Droolio's ear |
| 13:44.16 | Droolio | :) |
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| 13:45.41 | Grum | Droolio: i looked at the code before; its quite big for something as simple as that hehe |
| 13:45.52 | Grum | or it appears simple but from the code it looks to be quite hard to do right |
| 13:46.04 | Droolio | i'm lopping code out of it all the time :) |
| 13:46.13 | Droolio | it's actually a rewrite of zeppelinmaster |
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| 13:46.47 | Droolio | it's simpler than it looks but there's a few components that need doing right to get it working well |
| 13:47.09 | Grum | would be nice to be able to know when which sound is played from a serverscript |
| 13:47.10 | Droolio | one is 'triggering' a route to work out its cycle |
| 13:47.19 | Grum | then you could just 'save' the bell as a trigger for arrival |
| 13:47.33 | Droolio | the bell isn't accurate enough :) |
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| 13:47.57 | Grum | whats the roundtime of a typical flight? |
| 13:47.58 | Droolio | actually i don't think all the routes have bells anyway |
| 13:48.15 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.19 | Droolio | sec |
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| 13:48.30 | Grum | WobWork: eurasian please |
| 13:48.32 | Droolio | ["rtv2ds"] =312.352-0.025831-0.001978, |
| 13:48.32 | balstor | nickserv needs a stick up it's ass |
| 13:48.42 | Droolio | that's my current data for the ruttheran boat |
| 13:48.54 | Grum | 312s/ |
| 13:48.55 | Grum | ? |
| 13:48.57 | Droolio | needs constant tweaking since the millisecond timers aren't accurate enough |
| 13:49.12 | Droolio | i measure down to the microseconds over a period of time |
| 13:49.16 | Droolio | about that |
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| 13:49.53 | Grum | ok per 'reset' there is only ~2000 travels of that kind |
| 13:50.12 | Grum | i doubt anyone would matter the timer being off by 5 seconds |
| 13:50.13 | Droolio | well, i've found that a reset won't even shift the data |
| 13:50.20 | Droolio | but suddenly it does go out of wack |
| 13:50.28 | Grum | 'out of whack' ? |
| 13:50.38 | Grum | it just resets i reckon |
| 13:50.42 | Droolio | nah |
| 13:50.46 | Grum | till someone first enters an area then the ride is spawned |
| 13:51.06 | Droolio | i've seen servers shut down and come back up and the timers are still within 1sec accurate |
| 13:51.19 | Grum | guess it depends which servers |
| 13:51.22 | Mikk | in other news, coroutines are fucking sex for a lot of things |
| 13:51.32 | Grum | Mikk: mruha |
| 13:51.36 | Droolio | the servers are all pretty much in sync - at least, across a datacentre |
| 13:51.52 | Grum | Droolio: prolly stored in a database |
| 13:52.01 | balstor | I imagine things that are spawned like blimbs are done on a set timer based off the real server time, and not someone entering a zone |
| 13:52.02 | Mikk | they're obviously pointless if all you're doing is execute the same set of instructions every beat |
| 13:52.17 | Mikk | but if you've got a complex chain of events, they flat out own using state variables |
| 13:52.20 | Droolio | i think they just maintain a pretty accurate clock server for each data centre :) |
| 13:52.25 | Grum | balstor: i guess they are initiated by someone entering a zone |
| 13:52.33 | Grum | but then again its not much work to just have it there from server start |
| 13:52.47 | Grum | Droolio: just ntp i reckon :) |
| 13:52.49 | balstor | makes no sense to check for someone to enter a zone to much extra code for that |
| 13:53.20 | balstor | just make them an an actor in your tables and set them on a timer and forget about them |
| 13:53.22 | Mikk | yeah, once spawned there'd be there anyway |
| 13:53.31 | Mikk | and people use boats all the time |
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| 13:53.59 | balstor | also servers sync their time up with ntpd and a gps antenna (gps sats also make excellent time references) |
| 13:54.08 | Grum | so Droolio; what kind of variations do you run into on the roundtrip time? |
| 13:54.23 | Droolio | grum: how you mean? |
| 13:54.37 | Grum | well you say the time you have is not accurate enough |
| 13:54.54 | Grum | or is the roundtrip time accurate but the timers you have ingame not thus you get slight movements? |
| 13:54.59 | Droolio | it isn't at first. i have to measure it over many cycles |
| 13:55.20 | Droolio | since the usual timer api's only accurate to milliseconds |
| 13:55.38 | Grum | you'd guess that to be accurately enough ;P |
| 13:55.42 | Droolio | so i just measure the drift and correct the timer |
| 13:55.57 | Droolio | i'm going down to the microseconds, near enough :) |
| 13:56.23 | Grum | hehe |
| 13:56.36 | Grum | if it drifts with 1 second its not really that bad :p |
| 13:56.54 | Grum | and if you are taking about 'less than microsecond' adjustments you'll prolly have an accurate time for a loooooooooooooooong time |
| 13:57.16 | Droolio | yea |
| 13:57.28 | Droolio | i just correct the drifting over about two weeks |
| 13:57.43 | Droolio | and it's accurate enough to not drift more than 0.2s or so over 3/4 weeks |
| 13:57.51 | Grum | do you have a trial account standing on a boat nonstop orso? ^^ |
| 13:57.55 | balstor | btw the new event stuff, the event timestamps are server time..... |
| 13:58.16 | Droolio | nah :) i have a hoard of characters camped out on each boat/zep :) on one realm heh |
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| 13:58.54 | Grum | haha :p |
| 13:59.07 | Grum | poor chars; just making roundtrips :p |
| 13:59.11 | Droolio | lvl 1 dwarf on feathermoon boat o/ |
| 13:59.16 | Droolio | indeed :) |
| 13:59.27 | Grum | be happy its free =) |
| 13:59.27 | Droolio | spent a lot of time on those damn boats/zeps |
| 13:59.44 | Grum | did you make the complete vector-trail stored in the files? ^^ |
| 13:59.56 | Droolio | aye |
| 14:00.06 | Grum | that must have been awful :p |
| 14:00.18 | Droolio | it's pretty straightforward tbh |
| 14:00.29 | Droolio | the round-trip-time corrections is the pita |
| 14:00.43 | Grum | arent most routes split? so you dont see the middle part of it? |
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| 14:01.29 | Droolio | yea, i just mark them as a zoning transition |
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| 14:01.52 | dys-bf | heya. Does anyone know of a libstub replacement for rosterlib? I don't want to pull in Ace2. |
| 14:01.54 | Droolio | it's not terribly clean atm - it just interpolates a different map icon when it zones |
| 14:02.13 | dys-bf | And I feel too lazy to write the event handlers myself. :) |
| 14:02.29 | Toadkiller | be a man |
| 14:03.29 | dys-bf | lol |
| 14:03.32 | Toadkiller | mmm damn, how long have the 15 minute rolling restarts been going for now? |
| 14:04.00 | dys-bf | Wait until expansion hits. This is nothing. :) |
| 14:04.24 | Toadkiller | I spent early BC leveling my belf mage. Seemed very painless |
| 14:04.24 | Grum | i cant wait to get lvl80 in the first 4 instances and not being in the 'lets all camp this questmob for 1000000000 years'-madness |
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| 14:06.19 | balstor | going to level my lock to 70 then tri-box my way to 80 |
| 14:06.55 | Toadkiller | saw a lock 4 boxing it in hellfire earlier last night |
| 14:07.27 | balstor | god fark.com is great "Going to steal a moped? Perhaps choosing a 52-year old golden glove boxer's moped isn't such a bright idea" |
| 14:08.07 | Toadkiller | very polite, unlike the 70 warrior who wanted to pvp my 60 green machine shaman (PVE server). |
| 14:08.29 | Nirek | hmm, ok if I understand the new handler system.. say I have a button, a handler parented to the button, and buttons parented to the handler, I would use a wrapscript to catch onenter on the button to be able to force a childupdate on the handler's children? |
| 14:09.09 | balstor | why is it people want to attack the all green toons, do it to my farming sham,an all the time, but they avoid my warrior that has warlord hanging over his head |
| 14:10.40 | WobWork | Perhaps you answered your own question? |
| 14:13.04 | balstor | Perhaps |
| 14:13.04 | sb|work | have to level 2 chars *sigh* :p |
| 14:13.04 | Toadkiller | golden glove was lucky. A coworkers brother yelled at people walking down the streat breaking car-antennas. They walked over and stabbed him to death on xmass eve. So dont get all hyped up and go into a fighting stance imo. |
| 14:13.04 | balstor | dual boxing for quicker leveling |
| 14:13.28 | balstor | thats why I'm working on getting my conceal carry permit |
| 14:13.48 | Toadkiller | dont forget to flip the safety off... |
| 14:15.28 | balstor | not an issue, been using guns my entire life, just trying to figure out all these crap ass rules (living in the country you just open carry and no one cares , in the city everyone like OMG he has a gun,OMG it's the end of the world, when in reality it's the punk plaming the satury night special you should worry about) |
| 14:16.30 | balstor | spelling is optional btw |
| 14:19.32 | sb|work | balstor: dualboxing for me and my gf.. %-) |
| 14:20.46 | balstor | I think if you dual Box with you gf, some one will be mad (double-entendre meant) |
| 14:21.12 | sb|work | *sigh* :) |
| 14:21.19 | Grum | balstor: gun? .. why?:( |
| 14:21.42 | sb|work | ~slap balstor |
| 14:21.42 | purl | ACTION slaps balstor, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:21.47 | balstor | cause as the unemployment rate climbs more people turn to crime |
| 14:22.08 | Grum | a true; and with guns the fights will be shorter |
| 14:22.25 | balstor | my goal is to never have to use it |
| 14:22.59 | balstor | In fact to never draw it (cause if you draw it and don't use it you should have never drew it) |
| 14:23.03 | Grum | just shoot anyone close to you? |
| 14:23.13 | Grum | then you dont have to use it! |
| 14:23.53 | balstor | but I trave a LOT like 90% of the year and when your broke down in the middle of god knows where it is nicer to safe then dead |
| 14:27.34 | Repo | 10minimap-range: 03SteveKaye * r30 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 14:27.35 | Repo | Converted to Ace 3 and added it to the standard interface/addons configuration UI. |
| 14:28.04 | balstor | bahh i wish i could figure out how to convert things to ace-3 from ace-2 |
| 14:28.21 | quiescens | its not always trivial |
| 14:28.47 | balstor | yhea I was hoping there was a general guide someplace but nope just a library and some code |
| 14:29.21 | dys-bf | blastor: I tried it with one of my guildie addons. I ended up pulling both Rock and Ace3, got disgusted, and left it with Ace2. :) |
| 14:30.10 | balstor | sigh, I guess i will stay with ace-2 until it just breaks then deal with it |
| 14:30.43 | dys-bf | exactly how I felt. It may be simpler in your case. I had a few libraries which pulled in others |
| 14:30.53 | chexsum_ | ugh @ no pacific realms |
| 14:31.08 | chexsum_ | wtb bg9 start |
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| 14:31.15 | balstor | I think all i use ace-2 for now is th options (and DB to store options) |
| 14:31.16 | Repo | 10minimap-range: 03SteveKaye 042.0 * r31 : Tagging as 2.0 |
| 14:34.32 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles * r26 / (4 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 14:34.33 | Repo | EasyDKP: - |
| 14:34.34 | balstor | ace -locale console and ace-db seem to be what i'm using , I think i could drop ace-event. I would migrate over but ACE-3 is missing something called a users guide |
| 14:34.34 | Repo | drycoded additions : |
| 14:34.35 | Repo | added weapon type buttons |
| 14:34.39 | Repo | added selection of chat output |
| 14:35.14 | Toadkiller | I am switching AutoBar to Ace3 at the moment. Its fairly easy so far. Dunno how the layout is going to work yet though. |
| 14:35.55 | Grum | autobar still needs a lot of love |
| 14:36.06 | Toadkiller | yes it does |
| 14:36.25 | Toadkiller | actually it needs more time |
| 14:36.58 | Toadkiller | finally realm is back up |
| 14:37.10 | balstor | hmm we need to find some to make a buttonfacade/cycircle sexy map skin, with all those etheral effects |
| 14:37.49 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles * r27 ClassFrame.lua: EasyDKP: - |
| 14:37.50 | Repo | fix dropdown initialise |
| 14:38.50 | Toadkiller | cycirlce is dead gone and burried |
| 14:41.36 | balstor | where did http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon go??? |
| 14:42.23 | asmodai | Ibiza. Needed a holiday. |
| 14:42.48 | [dRaCo] | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
| 14:42.48 | crookfingerjake | laff |
| 14:43.57 | balstor | thanks |
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| 14:45.49 | balstor | I love if you log into a new character and watch the intro there is a giant floating necroplis over thunder bluff |
| 14:48.07 | asmodai | haha |
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| 14:50.09 | Fisker- | nevcairiel my friend |
| 14:50.20 | chexsum_ | hes my friend |
| 14:50.32 | Fisker- | You can have more than one friend chead |
| 14:50.34 | Fisker- | chexsum_ |
| 14:50.48 | chexsum_ | im his best friend |
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| 14:56.18 | Cheads | Fisker- but I only want you as my friend! |
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| 14:58.35 | DStalker | Hello there |
| 14:59.00 | DStalker | Could i ask help with DogTags? One specific one actually. |
| 14:59.39 | qwesto | you can always ask ;) |
| 14:59.39 | [dRaCo] | ~asktoask |
| 14:59.40 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 14:59.40 | [dRaCo] | =) |
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| 15:00.09 | Droolio | can i ask if i can ask a question? :) |
| 15:00.46 | Groktar | pounces |
| 15:00.58 | Groktar | OUT FOR DELIVERY |
| 15:01.01 | Groktar | happydance |
| 15:01.11 | DStalker | I did read from forums that there could be a way to make rogue like combo count for Maelstrom weapon by using HasAura. My /dogtag doesnt rly help with this so im kinda lost. |
| 15:01.37 | mitch0 | dogtags are evil |
| 15:01.52 | balstor | raid boss in shatt???????? |
| 15:02.05 | Groktar | holy burst batman |
| 15:02.12 | mitch0 | (or just pitbull is, but I wasn't in the mood to find out which) |
| 15:02.20 | Groktar | <- trying tg for first time |
| 15:02.55 | DStalker | mitch0, Well it seems to be only way to do it. Icehud has excatly what i need but dont want to install wholething just for those |
| 15:03.18 | Groktar | sometimes mobs just explode |
| 15:04.30 | mitch0 | ds: don't mind me, if it doesn't cause you hickups, then all teh power to you. pitbull and/or dogtag caused major lag for me when I summoned my water elemental, or party changed or elemental died, so I got rid of it (otherwise I liked pitbull) |
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| 15:05.54 | Repo | 10buffalo: 03tomsommer 06saroz-clone 04fixes * r215 : Tagging as fixes |
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| 15:07.41 | DStalker | Well i just dont have enyidea what do with that hasaura |
| 15:08.52 | thul | 26 days till I'm going to install WOTLK |
| 15:09.02 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.28 | [dRaCo] | HasAura("Maelstrom Weapon") |
| 15:09.37 | asmodai | end of his subscription period I guess :) |
| 15:09.39 | [dRaCo] | I'm not sure how to get the count, though |
| 15:10.38 | DStalker | humm |
| 15:11.40 | Repo | 10buffalo: 03tomsommer 06saroz-clone * r216 Buffalo.lua: - Correctly supply button argument to :SetTooltipAnchor |
| 15:14.17 | [dRaCo] | add it somewhere on your unit frame |
| 15:14.23 | [dRaCo] | since MW is a self buff |
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| 15:15.26 | Zyndrome | christ .. I'll promote to my guild to start using TeamSpeak instead, as ventrilo 3.x is a pile of junk |
| 15:15.36 | [dRaCo] | HasAura is a boolean, though, so make sure to actually add some text to display |
| 15:15.51 | Zyndrome | "Aaaaw stuck at Contacting Server? Well, eat a muddy dick, we don't care. Sincerely, the developers." |
| 15:16.55 | DStalker | ok |
| 15:18.01 | Groktar | hmmm |
| 15:18.08 | Groktar | i can't change the size of text in parrot |
| 15:18.15 | balstor | okay ACE3 question in Ace2 I have local L = AceLibrary("AceLocale-2.2"):new("LD50_ap"); in ACE3 what is wrong with: local L = LibStub:NewLibrary("AceLocale-3.0",1):new("LD50_ap") |
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| 15:20.03 | nevcairiel | everything |
| 15:20.05 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:20.05 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 15:20.11 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 15:20.29 | nevcairiel | local L = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"):NewLocale("Mapster", "deDE") |
| 15:20.29 | nevcairiel | if not L then return end |
| 15:20.33 | nevcairiel | thats how you do it |
| 15:20.52 | nevcairiel | those 2 lines at the start of every locale file |
| 15:21.02 | nevcairiel | change "Mapster" of course |
| 15:21.06 | nevcairiel | and the language for each file |
| 15:22.51 | mitch0 | shouldn't the enUS one have :NewLocale("Mapster", "enUS", true) ? |
| 15:22.57 | mitch0 | or is that not necessary? |
| 15:23.02 | mitch0 | (that "true" part) |
| 15:23.18 | digmouse | basically u should leave it there |
| 15:23.22 | dys-bf | Got a question. I am trying to do something to the calendar frame with an addon. |
| 15:23.27 | digmouse | and other locales remove it |
| 15:23.30 | dys-bf | Calendar is not loaded until /calendar is typed |
| 15:23.54 | nevcairiel | yeah true for the base locale |
| 15:23.57 | dys-bf | My addon either fails, because calendar is not loaded, or if I put Blizzard_Calendar as a dependancy it doesn't load |
| 15:24.22 | dys-bf | How can I get it to load after Blizzard_Calendar is loaded? Any ideas? |
| 15:24.24 | nevcairiel | dys-bf: what the ADDON_LOADED event for BLizzard_Calendar and do your thing then |
| 15:24.41 | nevcairiel | or do LoadWith: Blizzard_Calendar |
| 15:25.11 | dys-bf | Wow, fast answers. I knew I was at the right place. |
| 15:25.12 | dys-bf | Thanks |
| 15:26.15 | balstor | thanks nevcairiel mitch0 going to try it |
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| 15:27.50 | balstor | think i need to download Mapster and browse some source code (and flex my ctrl-c and ctrl-v keys) |
| 15:29.34 | asmodai | heh, from a topic on guild names: |
| 15:29.38 | asmodai | <STDs are BOP> |
| 15:30.26 | asmodai | <Grand Theft Kodo> |
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| 15:31.29 | mitch0 | puttycyg is teh saviour! thanks nev (and others) for the pointer! |
| 15:31.51 | balstor | Burining legion use to have <rapetown> <Fashion Actors Guild> |
| 15:32.05 | ckknight | hey all, how's everyone doing? |
| 15:32.08 | asmodai | heh: Was a girls-only guild on my server too called <Lick My Crit>, but since some girls didn't want to run around with that tag, they reformed as <Nutcrackers> |
| 15:32.52 | asmodai | rofl: <Food and Drink Vendor> |
| 15:32.58 | asmodai | I wonder if that confused any people :D |
| 15:33.23 | balstor | ago of conana best guild name <Boss> |
| 15:33.34 | asmodai | lol |
| 15:34.40 | asmodai | <I III III VII> |
| 15:35.35 | balstor | how do i put nu,bers into a guild name?? |
| 15:35.58 | asmodai | Use roman numerals, obviously ;) |
| 15:36.44 | balstor | I have seen <50 DKP> on my server |
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| 15:37.09 | asmodai | I've never used/worked with DKP, would 50 be much? |
| 15:37.32 | pentium166 | probably a reference to the onyxia THAT'S A 50 DKP MINUS guy |
| 15:37.33 | Elkano | 50 DKP MINUS!! |
| 15:37.39 | asmodai | <Onixya Gives Epic Head> |
| 15:37.47 | balstor | it's from an old video of a raid leader screaming a t a raid for wiping on onyxia and yelling thats minus 50 dkp |
| 15:37.58 | asmodai | rofl |
| 15:38.11 | balstor | depending on the fkp system thats one boss kill or about 20 kills |
| 15:38.21 | Fisker- | slaps asmodai around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:38.25 | Fisker- | nevcairiel my friend |
| 15:38.37 | AckisWork | Fisker-: http://ackis.myminicity.com/sec :P lol |
| 15:38.42 | Fisker- | no |
| 15:38.49 | balstor | sigh I converte my local to ace3 now to try the DB stuff, fear the pain |
| 15:38.54 | Fisker- | nevcairiel anyone in germany selling Core i7 965? |
| 15:38.58 | asmodai | Fisker-: eek! :'( |
| 15:39.03 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 15:39.04 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give sylvanaar a big kiss on the neck |
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| 15:40.31 | elite3vil | AckisWork: Done, enjoy the added police force. |
| 15:40.35 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 15:40.36 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Fatalis2 a big kiss on the ear |
| 15:41.09 | DStalker | can you take single module (maelstrom) out of icehud or is it all ornothing deal? |
| 15:41.26 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: the XE? |
| 15:42.04 | Fisker- | yes |
| 15:42.10 | nevcairiel | they are selling it, but none seems to have it in stock just yet. always says "mid november" |
| 15:42.18 | nevcairiel | around 980 euros |
| 15:42.28 | Fisker- | madness |
| 15:42.52 | Fisker- | it's ~2200 euro here |
| 15:42.54 | Fisker- | :E |
| 15:43.07 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 15:43.09 | asmodai | :| |
| 15:43.10 | Megalon | Trolltoll! |
| 15:43.12 | Fisker- | I could buy 2 in germany and still have money for the trip there |
| 15:43.14 | Megalon | which hits Fisker- hard |
| 15:43.28 | asmodai | Ah, dansker. |
| 15:43.31 | Fisker- | nah it's TAT Megalon |
| 15:43.37 | Fisker- | Troll-Added Tax :( |
| 15:43.38 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03StingerSoft * r27 Localization/localization-ruRU.lua: UnderHood: |
| 15:43.38 | Repo | - added ruRU localization |
| 15:43.40 | Megalon | :D |
| 15:44.00 | asmodai | Aren't trolls Norwegian though? |
| 15:44.17 | Fisker- | I just think the store who has it at the moment has gone batshit insane with the prices |
| 15:44.28 | Fisker- | in the hopes that someone thinks "Hey that can only be right" and orders a couple of them |
| 15:44.47 | asmodai | heh |
| 15:44.48 | Megalon | 2200euros is a bit wtf yea :s |
| 15:45.25 | Fisker- | You could buy 2 good computers for that :E |
| 15:45.36 | dys-bf | Is there a way to determine if a non-guildie player is online or not? |
| 15:45.57 | Fisker- | add them to friends |
| 15:45.57 | ulic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.00 | Fisker- | or who of course |
| 15:46.07 | dys-bf | I meant from the API. :-) |
| 15:46.11 | asmodai | heh: <Kel'thusad Fried Chicken> <AFK with your sister> <Your Moms my Epic Mount> |
| 15:46.14 | Stanzilla | Creative Gives In, They Open-Source Their X-Fi Driver |
| 15:46.16 | Stanzilla | w00t! |
| 15:46.16 | dys-bf | I could try wholib, I suppose |
| 15:46.21 | Elkano | Fisker-, isn't i7 scheduled for 11/17/08 so not released, yet? |
| 15:46.49 | Stanzilla | The source-code for the Creative X-Fi driver is now licensed under the GNU GPLv2. |
| 15:47.14 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: does that mean creative drivers will stop being utter shit? |
| 15:47.18 | Fisker- | Elkano doesn't mean there's not preorders >:3 |
| 15:47.28 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: thats possible |
| 15:47.29 | Elkano | true ^^ |
| 15:47.30 | Fisker- | Gonna get the i7 920 :3 |
| 15:48.25 | Elkano | which were the three flavours? |
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| 15:48.39 | Slayman | I'm back hello ppl |
| 15:49.38 | Fisker- | 920, 940 and 965 |
| 15:50.03 | Fisker- | which is 2.66, 2.93 and 3.20GHz |
| 15:50.43 | Slayman | all these numbers are dividable by 5 and their cross total are prime numbers |
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| 15:56.37 | Repo | 10achievement-ranking: 03kunda * r12 / (5 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 15:56.38 | Repo | AchievementRanking: |
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| 15:56.41 | Repo | - fix: workaround for AchievementFrameComparison_UpdateFriendStatusBar() bug (Blizzard_AchievementUI.lua) |
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| 15:56.46 | Repo | - GUI search: pressing the ESC button if focus is in the searchbox clears focus instead of closing the whole frame |
| 15:56.52 | Repo | - GUI: completed/total is now one column |
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| 15:58.44 | AckisWork | @project achievement-ranking |
| 15:58.44 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/achievement-ranking/. AchievementRanking. Game: WoW. Leader: kunda. Updated: 95 seconds ago |
| 15:58.51 | Nirek | hmm, I must be missing something with the new handlers : Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua:780: Call failed: Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua:125: [string "OnEnter"]:2: '=' expected near 'end': |
| 16:00.02 | Elkano | Fisker-, yeah, the smallest should be a fine pick ^^ though the mainboards seem to be still a bit expensive |
| 16:00.41 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r78 / (3 files in 1 directory): Nauticus: remove legacy GUI |
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| 16:05.47 | AckisWork | lua> foo(SpellLink) local _,_,SpellString = sfind(SpellLink, "enchant:(%d+)") or sfind(SpellLink, "spell:(%d+)") return SpellString end; foo("spell:1234") |
| 16:05.47 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 16:06.07 | AckisWork | lua> foo(SpellLink) local _,_,SpellString = sfind(SpellLink, "enchant:(%d+)") or sfind(SpellLink, "spell:(%d+)"); return SpellString; end; foo("spell:1234") |
| 16:06.07 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
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| 16:06.20 | AckisWork | lua> function foo(SpellLink) local _,_,SpellString = sfind(SpellLink, "enchant:(%d+)") or sfind(SpellLink, "spell:(%d+)"); return SpellString; end; foo("spell:1234") |
| 16:06.21 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'sfind' (a nil value) |
| 16:06.25 | AckisWork | damnit |
| 16:06.41 | AckisWork | lua> function foo(SpellLink) local _,_,SpellString = string.find(SpellLink, "enchant:(%d+)") or string.find(SpellLink, "spell:(%d+)"); return SpellString; end; foo("spell:1234") |
| 16:06.41 | lua_bot | AckisWork: No output |
| 16:06.42 | Repo | 10achievement-ranking: 03kunda 04v1.03 * r13 : Tagging as v1.03 |
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| 16:14.25 | Nirek | ok, how is control:ChildUpdate("onenter","onenter") supposed to work? I must not be using something right, as it throws that last error I just linked, basically I'm trying to replicate the old functionality of SecureStateAnchor_RunChild(self.feedButton, "OnLeave", "onleavebutton"), I must be missing something. |
| 16:20.01 | Megalon | mhm, AckisWork, why not |
| 16:20.04 | Megalon | lua> function foo(SpellLink) return select(3,string.find(SpellLink, "enchant:(%d+)")) or select(3,string.find(SpellLink, "spell:(%d+)")); end; print(foo("spell:1234")) |
| 16:20.04 | lua_bot | Megalon: 1234 |
| 16:20.06 | Megalon | ;o |
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| 16:21.06 | AckisWork | o rly? |
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| 16:22.02 | AckisWork | lua> string.find("spell:1234","spell:(%d+)") |
| 16:22.02 | lua_bot | AckisWork: 1, 10, 1234 |
| 16:22.42 | AckisWork | why did Arrowmaster have me change some code to: local ID = string.find(ItemID, "item:(%d+)") |
| 16:24.27 | Megalon | mindgames! |
| 16:26.16 | Repo | 10ag_unitframes: 03kagaro * r671 modules/ (7 files in 7 directories): |
| 16:26.16 | Repo | ag_UnitFrames: Setup mode changes, to show the various icons and frames when you engage the mode. |
| 16:30.36 | Repo | 10ag_unitframes: 03kagaro * r672 modules/totems/totems.lua: |
| 16:30.37 | Repo | ag_UnitFrames: Setup mode changes, to show the various icons and frames when you engage the mode. |
| 16:32.15 | Repo | 10querier: 03Ackis * r66 Querier.lua: Ni hao |
| 16:32.46 | dieck | AckisWork: if you want only the full item id add a : at the end of the regular expression |
| 16:32.56 | dieck | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "item:(%d+):") |
| 16:32.56 | lua_bot | dieck: 13, 22, 7073 |
| 16:33.12 | AckisWork | either way it works for the ID's |
| 16:33.25 | Repo | 10querier: 03Ackis * r67 Querier.toc: Minor ToC update |
| 16:33.32 | dieck | ah, i see, it's the way string.find works, the regexp was ok :) |
| 16:35.03 | Megalon | wouldn't something like "\124H%w+:(%d+)" work for every link to get the id? |
| 16:35.50 | Megalon | so you would not have to make multiple finds for enchant, item, whatever |
| 16:36.04 | Repo | 10querier: 03Ackis * r68 / (2 files in 1 directory): Lets change the replacement thingies to do stuff now. |
| 16:36.41 | AckisWork | Megalon: no idea |
| 16:37.57 | AckisWork | Megalon: regexp/etc confuses me |
| 16:39.10 | Megalon | just thought so because links are always formated like |
| 16:39.24 | dieck | Megalon: looks ok, if \1 isn't parsed into something bad :) could be parsed to first match for () later. I'd assume \\124... should work |
| 16:39.31 | Megalon | |colorthing|H<kindoflink>:<id>:rest|h|c |
| 16:39.42 | AckisWork | Megalon: basically yes |
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| 16:40.11 | dieck | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "|H%w+:(%d+):") |
| 16:40.12 | lua_bot | dieck: 11, 22, 7073 |
| 16:40.46 | dieck | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "\124H%w+:(%d+):") |
| 16:40.47 | lua_bot | dieck: 11, 22, 7073 |
| 16:40.58 | dieck | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "\\124H%w+:(%d+):") |
| 16:40.58 | lua_bot | dieck: nil |
| 16:41.10 | dieck | ok, so \1 is not parsed and can be used |
| 16:41.16 | AckisWork | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Henchant:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "|H%w+:(%d+):") |
| 16:41.16 | lua_bot | AckisWork: 11, 25, 7073 |
| 16:41.18 | Megalon | well |
| 16:41.21 | Megalon | \124 = | |
| 16:41.22 | Megalon | ;> |
| 16:41.26 | Megalon | just escaped |
| 16:42.03 | dieck | Megalon: yes, but I wasn't sure if "\1" would be parsed as regular expression instead of character |
| 16:42.49 | Megalon | why should it, it's in the search pattern ;) |
| 16:42.49 | AckisWork | so the moral of the story is: use "\124H%w+:(%d+):" |
| 16:42.57 | Megalon | and i think lua uses %1-xx |
| 16:43.02 | Megalon | for those references |
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| 16:43.58 | Megalon | or even "\124H(%w+):(%d+):" if you need the type also |
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| 16:45.02 | dieck | hm, how do spell links look like? "spell:1234:Name and such"? |
| 16:46.54 | Megalon | yea, but with additional "|h" around the name etc |
| 16:47.11 | Megalon | you can go to wowhead, search a spell and click the get link |
| 16:47.13 | balstor | grumble try to change to libdb-3.0 and it breaks my waterfall config, and breaks my db setup , grumble bitch |
| 16:47.30 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1042 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 16:47.30 | Repo | Add missing reference for Skillet integration and change ID checking to check for both enchant and spell based off of needs by lilsparky |
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| 16:50.38 | Slayman | someone should tell blizzard they should make the Browser Search Plugin localised for europe, otherwise i can't find what I'm searching! |
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| 16:52.46 | Adirelle | morning |
| 16:52.51 | Slayman | howdi |
| 16:52.59 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: edit it? it's not hard. |
| 16:53.35 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: Why should I lay hands on what blizzard omits to do? should get their lazy asses kicked |
| 16:53.45 | Gnarfoz | entitlement much |
| 16:54.03 | Gnarfoz | they should just ban you from the armory :p |
| 16:54.41 | Slayman | yeah ban me plz |
| 16:54.53 | Slayman | so those suckers can't find me anymore |
| 16:55.07 | Gnarfoz | no, ban you from using it. |
| 16:55.26 | Slayman | that would not be any cool at all |
| 16:56.07 | Slayman | Did i mention that Red Alert, ending of the Ally Campaign made my laugh harder than anything before? |
| 16:56.13 | Slayman | The Hoff 4 Prez! |
| 16:56.20 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: btw |
| 16:56.25 | Gnarfoz | you must be dumb or blind or both. |
| 16:56.29 | Gnarfoz | the plugin IS localized. |
| 16:56.38 | Fisker- | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:57.12 | Slayman | mine isn't |
| 16:57.20 | Slayman | does not pull from EU |
| 16:57.23 | Gnarfoz | oh yes it does. |
| 16:57.33 | Gnarfoz | I *just* uninstalled and reinstalled mine to check. |
| 16:57.49 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.wowarmory.com/search-plugin.xml . |
| 16:58.40 | Paene | wow |
| 16:58.47 | Paene | they actually have Opera listed on there |
| 16:58.50 | Paene | I'm impressed |
| 16:58.52 | Slayman | went to eu.wowarmory.com |
| 16:58.52 | Slayman | and got the plugin for FF from there and it searches www.wowarmory.com |
| 16:58.52 | Slayman | yes that one does not find me, and does not find ANY german realmpool Gnafoz |
| 16:59.09 | Slayman | i think my browsers locale fucks it up |
| 16:59.15 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: uhm you suck. |
| 16:59.21 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: try me |
| 16:59.24 | Paene | Does firefox have support for creating custom searches? |
| 16:59.31 | Paene | I thought it did |
| 16:59.33 | Slayman | think so |
| 16:59.35 | Paene | I know opera you can |
| 16:59.40 | Paene | just make your own search for it |
| 16:59.41 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: I installed that plugin, entered my char name, and it found my char. I play on EU-Das Syndikat, which, obviously, is in a german realm pool |
| 16:59.57 | Gnarfoz | so I don't know what the hell you're doing, but it's working fine for me :D |
| 16:59.59 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: your FF german too? |
| 17:00.05 | Gnarfoz | no, why would I do that to myself |
| 17:00.15 | Gnarfoz | check the plugin source code. |
| 17:00.17 | AckisWork | neine! |
| 17:00.18 | Gnarfoz | it's about... 8 lines. |
| 17:00.20 | SunTsu | Gnarfoz: Hm, still wondering what gave away that it's german |
| 17:00.26 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: It may be the Sandbox in which i run FF that fucks it up |
| 17:00.49 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: ... I don't even know how to point out how ridiculous you sound now :p |
| 17:01.08 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: enligten us, it's not that you have ANYTHING BETTER to do |
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| 17:02.28 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: you're running the FF in such a non-standard scenario that it's not even funny and then you come along and say "duh blizzard should fix their shit"? :D |
| 17:02.58 | Gnarfoz | besides, why would it matter that your Firefox is deDE localized? there is only the EU armory, regardless which language it's displayed in |
| 17:03.00 | Fisker- | "We definitely design some specs to have larger rotations than others. The styles just appeal to different kinds of players. But when a rotation is literally one spell, with perhaps a few cooldowns, that is a little too small. " |
| 17:03.09 | Fisker- | Oh that's why Paladins basically still only have one button to spam? |
| 17:03.14 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: yay paladins! |
| 17:03.21 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 17:03.31 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: also, what kind of sandbox are you talking about and why would it influence your browser's behaviour |
| 17:03.42 | Slayman | Sandboxie |
| 17:03.46 | Gnarfoz | which does what |
| 17:04.00 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh * r53 GuildManagementTools/Core.lua: |
| 17:04.01 | Repo | Menu options for debugs and timestamps now working. values are being saved to DB |
| 17:04.06 | Slayman | well apparently One of the issues prevents it from using the right localisation for the search |
| 17:04.14 | Slayman | it makes a sandbox, |
| 17:04.15 | *** join/#wowace Anaral (n=Anaral@ip68-107-151-223.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 17:04.21 | Slayman | www.sandboxie.com |
| 17:04.21 | Paene | http://www.sandboxie.com/ |
| 17:04.29 | Slayman | pretty sweet actually |
| 17:04.36 | Fisker- | "-- Priests and druids, who have a lot of healing spells, aren't using many of them. " |
| 17:04.42 | Gnarfoz | there is no localisation for the search? could you please pastey the plugin that the JS installed into your browser when you clicked the link on that page right now? |
| 17:04.44 | *** join/#wowace Jygga (i=Jygga@port-212-202-202-32.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 17:04.48 | Fisker- | "Paladins, who don't have a lot of healing spells, aren't using many of them." |
| 17:04.49 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 17:05.40 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 17:05.45 | Zyndrome | "We will remove all healing spells but Flash of Light to fix this problem." |
| 17:06.20 | Aens|Superiority | ugh, i hate pallies who use only flash of light |
| 17:06.45 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: http://paste.org/index.php?id=4256 |
| 17:07.16 | Irish` | yay, my account got hacked |
| 17:07.20 | Fisker- | gz |
| 17:07.22 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: so you're saying. you didn't have the US search plugin installed, went to http://eu.wowarmory.com/search-plugin.xml and it installed THAT? |
| 17:07.30 | Aii | w00t!...er, wait, sorry, wrong response |
| 17:07.43 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: Yes! |
| 17:07.45 | Aii | digs around for a sec....it's here somewhere.... |
| 17:07.53 | Aii | Ah, yes... "That's too bad, Irish`" |
| 17:07.57 | Gnarfoz | Irish`: "yay I had an obvious password, shared my account information with others or got myself a nice keylogger/other malware/trojan" <-- fixt |
| 17:08.00 | Slayman | Gnarfoz that's what kept me posting in the first place |
| 17:08.00 | Irish` | it's cool, I'm only out 8/8 T6, 90k gold, all my mats and consumables |
| 17:08.19 | Irish` | I'm running linux, and have significantly complex password that I don't share |
| 17:08.27 | Irish` | I'm pretty sure I didn't make any glaring mistakes |
| 17:08.34 | Slayman | Irish`: have you learnt your lesson and got an authenticator? |
| 17:08.40 | Arrowmaster | you logged on the wow forums from another computer? |
| 17:08.52 | Gnarfoz | oh, then obviously, someone hacked blizz's auth database |
| 17:08.56 | Irish` | Arrowmaster: my laptop, that also runs linux. |
| 17:09.06 | Irish` | Slayman: buying it when I get my account restored |
| 17:09.10 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh * r54 GuildManagementTools (2 files in 1 directory): updated version number |
| 17:09.23 | Irish` | Gnarfoz: piss off. I said I didn't make any glaring mistakes, not that I couldn't have made any mistakes |
| 17:09.26 | Gnarfoz | it's not like linux is immune to stuff |
| 17:09.49 | Irish` | yeah, but most windows viruses and trojans don't auto install and run so well |
| 17:09.56 | Gnarfoz | Irish`: well, what kind of "hacking" do you propose then? someone stole your account info from somewhere, that's not hacking :X |
| 17:09.57 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: you believe me now, anyway I agree it is most probably not an error solely of blizzard |
| 17:10.55 | *** join/#wowace mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3EC94751.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 17:11.11 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: no I don't, really, at least I'm inclined to blame your setup. I'm trying to figure out if the JS on that page can even give you the US plugin ^^ |
| 17:11.14 | Irish` | Gnarfoz: I feel like my e-mail account is more vulnerable, though it's pretty convoluted to think someone got access to that, saw a blizzard e-mail and what not, but I had a new password requested at 4:00 AM today |
| 17:11.24 | Irish` | while I was in bed |
| 17:11.43 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: well it CAN that much I established |
| 17:12.08 | Gnarfoz | Irish`: I'd say the length these bad guys go to seem to get... longer, then. :\ |
| 17:12.23 | *** join/#wowace Aeyan (n=pancake@cpe-071-076-230-073.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 17:13.01 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh 04beta0.0.0016 * r55 : Menu options are now being saved correctly |
| 17:13.08 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: did you check what accept-language and other http headers your sandboxed firefox sends? |
| 17:13.59 | Gnarfoz | because |
| 17:14.05 | Gnarfoz | that seems to be the cause. |
| 17:14.12 | Gnarfoz | the page I get contains this: onclick="window.external.AddSearchProvider('http://eu.wowarmory.com/strings/en_gb/searchplugin.xml'); |
| 17:14.32 | Gnarfoz | so whatever happened to you, it happened at the request stage |
| 17:14.40 | Repo | 10libfilter-1-0: 03Nayala * r28 adapters/Baggins_LibFilter/Baggins_LibFilter.lua: |
| 17:14.41 | Repo | Baggins_LibFilter: Fix upgrade path when checking if a non-LibFilter plugin should be overriden. (DRY-CODED) |
| 17:16.26 | mitchnull | updating Fortress: |
| 17:16.26 | mitchnull | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 17:16.31 | mitchnull | what's up with the git server? |
| 17:17.22 | *** join/#wowace Irish` (n=irish@adsl-177-84-227.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:17.38 | sylvanaar | anyone else find this useful? http://www.wowace.com/projects/statlinker/ |
| 17:17.41 | Fisker- | can't you see i'm the über? |
| 17:18.13 | AckisWork | sylvanaar: I was trying to do that yesterday and the day before ironically |
| 17:18.16 | Fisker- | Already possible with urban achiever i believe |
| 17:18.33 | sylvanaar | hey but mine is minimalist |
| 17:18.42 | sylvanaar | 4 lines of code lol |
| 17:18.42 | Lukian | is there a search/filter for achievements yet ^_^ |
| 17:18.42 | Fisker- | nah |
| 17:18.43 | Arrowmaster | amazon has more collectors editions again! |
| 17:18.44 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: Sandbox is innocent, it's the browserversion |
| 17:18.50 | Fisker- | you should make teh awesomest achievement addon sylvanaar |
| 17:18.55 | AckisWork | sylvanaar: add in a way to link your achievements the same way as you can do with professions ;) |
| 17:19.04 | Fisker- | overachiever + urban achiever + achievementranking in one |
| 17:19.12 | AckisWork | shut up Fisker- |
| 17:19.19 | sylvanaar | AckisWork if i did, it would require prat |
| 17:19.25 | Fisker- | no u AckisWork |
| 17:19.26 | Fisker- | also |
| 17:19.33 | AckisWork | NO U |
| 17:19.34 | Fisker- | Doesn't it only link the achievements |
| 17:19.50 | AckisWork | sylvanaar: made a prat 3 module? |
| 17:19.55 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: so you're saying deDE firefox gives you US search plugin on the EU armory site for search plugins? xD I wonder then, how they correctly determined to give me the EU plugin when I'm browsing with an US version of Firefox. ;D |
| 17:20.14 | mitchnull | erm, can someone help me with my git problem? is that anon git access disabled or something? |
| 17:20.16 | *** join/#wowace fewyn (i=fewyn@rrcs-71-41-232-184.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 17:20.18 | Slayman | it's not deDE Firefox |
| 17:20.21 | sylvanaar | if you want actual links, then I'd use prat to make them |
| 17:20.34 | *** join/#wowace nekoh (n=nekoh@p4FD88546.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:20.38 | Slayman | it's enUS, and that demands the enUS Searchplugin |
| 17:20.40 | Gnarfoz | mitchnull: try highlighting admins =) or try #curseforge |
| 17:20.46 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: obviously not, as it works for me. :D |
| 17:20.59 | Arrowmaster | mitchnull: you cant clone empty git repos, it will give an error |
| 17:21.01 | sylvanaar | Fisker- what do you mean? |
| 17:21.04 | Slayman | well it FFportable enUS |
| 17:21.05 | Arrowmaster | mitchnull: is that your problem? |
| 17:21.12 | mitchnull | no |
| 17:21.16 | mitchnull | I'm trying to git pull |
| 17:21.20 | mitchnull | Omen, for example |
| 17:21.21 | mitchnull | or Mapster |
| 17:21.26 | AckisWork | @project curseforge |
| 17:21.26 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/. CurseForge.com. Leader: Kaelten. Author: ckknight. Updated: 206 days ago. Tickets: 309/880 |
| 17:21.34 | Gnarfoz | 880 lulz :< |
| 17:21.50 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: again, have you actually TRIED with a regular browser setup? :D |
| 17:21.55 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: how many of those tickets were for quest helper? :P |
| 17:22.02 | Fisker- | sylvanaar if you link that achievement for example |
| 17:22.06 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: it works with a regular browser setup |
| 17:22.09 | Fisker- | or statistic |
| 17:22.17 | Arrowmaster | i just did a git pull of omen and it worked, although im not using git:// |
| 17:22.19 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: but that is incredibly boring |
| 17:22.20 | Fisker- | it will only show the name and the tooltip will just say "achievement in progress" |
| 17:22.24 | Fisker- | it won't show any progress actually |
| 17:22.41 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: I dunno. If any were, someone is to blame for making it easier for people to find the wrong place to create tickets than the correct one :D |
| 17:22.42 | sylvanaar | Fisker- it just pastes the text in |
| 17:22.44 | mitchnull | arrow: how do I use something else than git:/ ? |
| 17:23.00 | Fisker- | ah |
| 17:23.01 | Arrowmaster | the project has to be set to open |
| 17:23.02 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: uhhhh right. anyway, in conclusion, it's your own fault. :P |
| 17:23.08 | Fisker- | thought you meant linking the statistic itself |
| 17:23.12 | sylvanaar | there are no statistics links |
| 17:23.28 | mitchnull | or git repos are accessible only to project members (even readonly) apart from the git:// ? |
| 17:23.46 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: in conclusion Blizzard uses mechanics unbeknownst to man in order to pick the right version of the plugin |
| 17:23.49 | sylvanaar | i would have to create them or something |
| 17:23.49 | Fisker- | http://i35.tinypic.com/21ovuj8.jpg |
| 17:24.44 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: as I said. check the source code of the page you're getting. does it include that quip I pasted here or does it include the US one. (for that you need the Webdev firefox plugin btw, because you need "view generated source" - you'll just get an nearly empty XML file otherwise) |
| 17:24.59 | dieck | I often thought about putting a black bar to my interface. but as I only have 4:3, it may cripple my experience more than I already do :) |
| 17:25.11 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: you're right though, this much intelligence shouldn't even be in there |
| 17:25.27 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: they should just hand out the EU version on eu.wowarmory.com and the US one on www.wowarmory.com :D |
| 17:25.28 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: I could do that ... or not |
| 17:25.34 | KriLL3 | why isn't LK instances in atlas yet? :( |
| 17:25.36 | sylvanaar | what is that Fisker- ? |
| 17:25.36 | KriLL3 | hope it's ready, otherwise It's gonna be confusing |
| 17:25.44 | sylvanaar | some adddon? |
| 17:25.47 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 17:25.50 | Fisker- | Urban Achiever |
| 17:25.52 | Megalon | sylvanaar: statistic links |
| 17:26.10 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: why are you even using Atlas, wtf xD |
| 17:26.20 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: errm instances? |
| 17:26.26 | Megalon | GetAchievementLink() works on the ID's of statistic tab |
| 17:26.29 | sylvanaar | Megalon get teh author to make a prat plugin |
| 17:26.48 | Megalon | but those are pretty useless, because no progress information |
| 17:26.55 | Megalon | e.g. how much creatures killed |
| 17:27.00 | Gnarfoz | no, why aren't you using something superior that doesn't make you d/l and load some 30 megs or something of big ass textures instead of using the maps already in the game? :p |
| 17:27.01 | Megalon | on the link/tooltip |
| 17:27.17 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: like what? |
| 17:27.32 | Gnarfoz | InstanceMaps? Cartographer before that? |
| 17:27.41 | *** join/#wowace Bibi (n=Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 17:27.43 | KriLL3 | I got cart, it's not as good |
| 17:27.48 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 17:27.48 | KriLL3 | for instances that is |
| 17:27.48 | sylvanaar | yeah, but, the text works just fine imho |
| 17:27.50 | Gnarfoz | it's *better* :D |
| 17:27.52 | KriLL3 | less markers etc |
| 17:27.55 | KriLL3 | no |
| 17:28.02 | KriLL3 | less markers, no loot info etc |
| 17:28.09 | Gnarfoz | obviously it has loot info |
| 17:28.10 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 17:28.10 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 17:28.14 | *** join/#wowace sb (n=sb@2001:1638:181c:10:21f:d0ff:fe22:4d6c) |
| 17:28.21 | KriLL3 | if it does I've yet to find it |
| 17:28.26 | Gnarfoz | click a boss? |
| 17:29.20 | KriLL3 | I just wish there was a instance map addon that showed the route to take... perhaps in more than one plane |
| 17:29.33 | Gnarfoz | /facepalm |
| 17:29.39 | KriLL3 | looking at the map of kara and finding out how to get to boss X isn't fun |
| 17:29.53 | Gnarfoz | you probably need a GPS navigation device to get from your workplace to your home, right |
| 17:29.59 | KriLL3 | no |
| 17:30.04 | Gnarfoz | sounds like it |
| 17:30.05 | dieck | actually, I use mine :) |
| 17:30.08 | KriLL3 | since I know the way |
| 17:30.09 | Gnarfoz | you reaffirm my favorite generalization about wow: pvp'ers are dum. ;D |
| 17:30.25 | KriLL3 | if you go to an instance for the first time and it's layout is really complex it's not that easy to make your way through |
| 17:30.33 | dieck | but it's also my handsfree whateveritscalled for my cellphone :) |
| 17:30.46 | Gnarfoz | oh shi- you can't auto-pilot something! |
| 17:30.48 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: no, we just haven't been to kara 200 times and thus know it better than the back of our hand |
| 17:30.50 | Gnarfoz | stuf fis new! |
| 17:30.52 | dieck | KriLL3: Karazhan is pretty forward. try BRD :) |
| 17:31.07 | KriLL3 | dieck: I've been to BRD plenty of times, I know it |
| 17:31.12 | *** join/#wowace Moncai (n=chatzill@cc571156-a.hooge1.gr.home.nl) |
| 17:31.13 | Gnarfoz | you just want it all handed to you on a silver platter, god forbid there be some challenge in it. |
| 17:31.14 | KriLL3 | kara I'm still confused about |
| 17:31.23 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: that's how PvE works |
| 17:31.28 | Gnarfoz | indeed! |
| 17:31.35 | Gnarfoz | you go in, find your way around |
| 17:31.38 | Gnarfoz | repeat. |
| 17:31.43 | KriLL3 | http://www.paladinsofthephoenix.org/images/guides/Zones/Karazhan/KarazhanInstanceMap.jpg <-- good example of what I'm talking about |
| 17:31.46 | Gnarfoz | you don't go in and look at the gucking GPS :p |
| 17:31.57 | Gnarfoz | that URL makes me want to cry in a corner |
| 17:32.03 | mitchnull | how do I upload my ssh key to the git server? (the link provided in the knowledge base article doesn't seem to work) |
| 17:32.09 | Gnarfoz | (also probably the worst kara map I've seen) |
| 17:32.18 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: give a better then |
| 17:32.18 | ckknight | mitchnull: go to /home/repository-authorization/ |
| 17:32.32 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: get Cartographer and press "M" while in Kara. done. |
| 17:32.36 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 17:32.54 | Moncai | Anyone here who runs WoW on a mac? Did 3.0.2 or 3.0.3 change something to the addon folder location on OSX? |
| 17:32.56 | KriLL3 | it doesn't show the path to take, it doesn't show where the stairs are and how the floors interconnect etc |
| 17:33.03 | Gnarfoz | INDEED it doesn't. |
| 17:33.06 | Gnarfoz | it's not supposed to |
| 17:33.11 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 17:33.15 | KriLL3 | what's the only part I need |
| 17:33.21 | dieck | I'd still like to see a moving labyrinth instance. Is there any english version of "Das verrückte Labyrinth"? http://www.milan-spiele.de/images/rav025.jpg |
| 17:33.39 | Gnarfoz | the only thing you need, even though you claim you don't, is something to replace your brain for you because you refuse to use yours |
| 17:33.41 | KriLL3 | dieck: people would get lost and never ever get out |
| 17:33.55 | mitchnull | ckk: do I have to create a git project, too, to be able to uplad ssh keys for the git server? (my ssh key works on the svn side already, E_PERM on the git side though) |
| 17:34.04 | Gnarfoz | dieck: that'd be fun. people LIKE KriLL3 would get lost and never get out. |
| 17:34.06 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: the first time I enter an instance I don't want to spend a couple of hours just to find boss x |
| 17:34.09 | dieck | KriLL3: maybe a 10-on-10 BG instance where you can move the labyrinth at some points :) |
| 17:34.19 | Moncai | KriLL3: try http://www.wow-pro.com/instance_guides/karazhan or google? |
| 17:34.22 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: you don't go to boss X on your first run, anyway? you go in, do the instance, BAM. |
| 17:34.28 | ckknight | mitch0: no, should be fine (and it's the same server) |
| 17:34.32 | mitchnull | ah, could be E_USER |
| 17:34.40 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: if you join partway etc |
| 17:34.45 | Gnarfoz | dieck: the only valid layout for him is: square room, one boss per corner, all within view distance |
| 17:34.48 | mitchnull | think I forgot to tell my ssh client to use the wowace key on git.wowace.com |
| 17:35.09 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: no instances where the layout is fairly linear it's fine |
| 17:35.34 | Gnarfoz | we're lucky blizz doesn't read EU forums and he hasn't got an US account. otherwise I'd have to say he and people like him are the reason WoW PvE is getting easier and easier each patch. |
| 17:35.44 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 17:35.51 | KriLL3 | PvE is already easy |
| 17:35.52 | Gnarfoz | let's dumb it all down, people are too stupid for MC |
| 17:36.00 | ckknight | mitchnull: so you good now? |
| 17:36.02 | KriLL3 | well MC was hell |
| 17:36.04 | Gnarfoz | well, then you certainly don't need a map to make it even easier :p |
| 17:36.11 | mitchnull | ckk: ok, ssh auth works now, but read access denied... |
| 17:36.22 | KriLL3 | navigating the instance is the hard part, the bosses are easy |
| 17:36.28 | Gnarfoz | rofl |
| 17:36.35 | ckknight | mitchnull: is this a new git repo? |
| 17:36.38 | mitchnull | ckk: and the git:// uri just borks with "Fatal: remote end dropped the connection" |
| 17:36.38 | ckknight | i.e. nothing in it yet? |
| 17:36.42 | mitchnull | ckk: no, Omen |
| 17:36.45 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:36.47 | KriLL3 | I'm in pvp gear, and I'm a better tank than anything short of sunwell gear.. |
| 17:36.50 | ckknight | lemme try... |
| 17:36.51 | qwesto | Moncai, I highly doubt they changed something to the addon folder location on OSX in any patch. Can't check it myself though, out of gametime. |
| 17:37.03 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: only because of what they changed, lol :P |
| 17:37.07 | dieck | MC... i don't know how often we had to port Lantar back up out of the lava :) |
| 17:37.11 | mitchnull | [mitch@altair: Omen.bak]$ git pull |
| 17:37.11 | mitchnull | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 17:37.12 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: even before that |
| 17:37.13 | Gnarfoz | I bet you play wow with a steering wheel and pedals. |
| 17:37.27 | KriLL3 | I was MT in Kara, ZA, Gruul, Magma pre patch |
| 17:37.28 | Megalon | Gnarfoz: i play it with pedals only! |
| 17:37.28 | ckknight | I was able to check out, mitchnull |
| 17:37.30 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: that would be fun imo |
| 17:37.33 | ckknight | mitchnull: try to re-clone |
| 17:37.54 | mitchnull | ckk: will try, though I wonder why it would solve the problem... |
| 17:38.07 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: there's a regular CS 1on1, knives only steering wheel + pedals tournament at our biggest regular local LAN party :D |
| 17:38.12 | Moncai | qwesto: Thanks anyway :) Some user was complaining about being unable to run the latest version of an addon, I thought since things changed under vista... |
| 17:38.17 | dieck | I thought about buying a ps2 or xbox lookalike controller to play my rogue in pvp :) |
| 17:38.49 | mitchnull | Initialized empty Git repository in /cygdrive/g/games/World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons/Omen/.git/ |
| 17:38.49 | mitchnull | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 17:38.51 | KriLL3 | wow needs too many buttons to use a controller... |
| 17:38.53 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: what's magma? srsly, get a clue and stop your bitching about how instances are too complicated to navigate :p |
| 17:39.00 | KriLL3 | unless you're a hunter, then you only need 1 |
| 17:39.01 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=jonathan@70-56-65-242.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 17:39.13 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: magmatherion or how ever he's spelled |
| 17:39.19 | Gnarfoz | ...yeah |
| 17:39.23 | mitchnull | ckk: ^^ |
| 17:39.29 | Megalon | magmadar |
| 17:39.41 | ckknight | mitchnull: well now I'm just confused. |
| 17:39.41 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: no, Magtheridon, but I digress |
| 17:39.59 | mitchnull | how do I put git in extraverbosedebug mode? |
| 17:40.01 | ckknight | mitchnull: since I can clone fine, you can use your ssh key for svn... |
| 17:40.05 | ckknight | -vvv? |
| 17:40.12 | Megalon | oh, as you talked about mc, thought he meant magmadar or so |
| 17:40.28 | Megalon | but if you get lost in magtheridons chamber, you have other problems then instance maps |
| 17:40.29 | Megalon | :S |
| 17:40.35 | KriLL3 | I don't |
| 17:40.43 | KriLL3 | I got lost in kara the first 4-5 times |
| 17:40.53 | KriLL3 | had to follow the rest |
| 17:40.54 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: nah, he just proved once again that he's a pvp guy who, in the past, clearly expressed his distaste for pve and more recently, started complaining regularly that instance layouts are too complicated |
| 17:41.00 | AckisWork | ~lart * |
| 17:41.00 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down *'s throat until * puts on 150lbs |
| 17:41.09 | AckisWork | there you all were larted |
| 17:41.09 | mitchnull | goesn't seem to like -vvv |
| 17:41.10 | AckisWork | be nice :P |
| 17:41.18 | mitchnull | goes off to rtfm a bit |
| 17:41.39 | Megalon | yea, and if it was just a straight hallway with a boss at ever 1/4th for example |
| 17:41.44 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: hay be nice, emokitteh is sensitive? ;) |
| 17:41.45 | Megalon | "oh, wow instances are so boring" |
| 17:41.48 | Megalon | or woot :S |
| 17:41.57 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: he'd probably consider it challenging. :p |
| 17:42.23 | Gnarfoz | anyway, enough flaming for today, at least until I log in and join trade chat! |
| 17:42.23 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:42.25 | AckisWork | karazhan is too big, too long, and was confusing as hell to new comers |
| 17:43.02 | dieck | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-1-cat-2-dogs.jpg |
| 17:43.16 | AckisWork | lol |
| 17:43.26 | Gnarfoz | and here I was debating whether to click that link |
| 17:43.38 | Toadkiller | Indeed. We should petition blizzard to simplify everything. There should just be one big room and all the mobs come to you. Then you kill them and and get xp and money to buy upgrqades with. |
| 17:43.39 | Gnarfoz | but I misread it as 2 cats, 1 dog |
| 17:43.41 | Kaelten | hows it going guys |
| 17:43.59 | Megalon | Toadkiller: you mean like Violet Hold in wotlk? >:P |
| 17:44.02 | AckisWork | Kaelten: short, shrivveled and hanging to the left |
| 17:44.06 | mitchnull | ckk: did you clone with git:// or with ssh key? |
| 17:44.14 | ckknight | through ssh |
| 17:44.18 | mitchnull | ah |
| 17:44.28 | mitchnull | yeah, that might work, but I don't have access to the project it seems |
| 17:44.30 | ckknight | why, were you just doing git://? |
| 17:44.32 | Gnarfoz | it's going at 64kb/s atm. |
| 17:44.33 | Kaelten | AckisWork: you didn't answer the right question :P |
| 17:44.47 | AckisWork | oh wait, that's how's it hanging |
| 17:44.50 | mitchnull | ckk: git:// dies with the fatal, ssh:// dies with E_PERM :) |
| 17:44.53 | AckisWork | :P |
| 17:44.54 | Toadkiller | No idea. Every time someone bitches about a game being too complicated I get an overwhelming urge to be sarcastic. Its a character flaw |
| 17:44.59 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:45.03 | ckknight | I'll try with git:// |
| 17:45.08 | mitchnull | I used to be able to git pull with git:// |
| 17:45.26 | ckknight | hrm, that did fail |
| 17:45.40 | mitchnull | although since the repo is supposed to be open for read-only via git://, i don't see why it doesn't allow readonly access with ssh:// |
| 17:46.10 | ckknight | okay, git:// works again after restarting xinetd |
| 17:46.14 | mitchnull | is there some fundamental reason not to allow readonly access to everyone with ssh keys? |
| 17:46.23 | ckknight | mitchnull: yea, there is, actually |
| 17:46.25 | mitchnull | s/not/for &/ |
| 17:46.37 | ckknight | it simplifies the logic immensely by having ssh just mean write access |
| 17:46.45 | mitchnull | purl: you fail at s/// |
| 17:46.47 | ckknight | I don't have to put a lot of complex logic into the repo hooks that way |
| 17:47.10 | mitchnull | ckk: ok, understandable. will just ping you from time to time to kick xinetd :) |
| 17:47.20 | mitchnull | (might want to add a cronjob there :) |
| 17:47.36 | AckisWork | mitchnull: can you give me a cronjob? |
| 17:47.48 | AckisWork | tehehe I made that sound dirty |
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| 17:47.53 | Paene | O.o |
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| 17:48.01 | mitchnull | happy happy joy joy, git pull works again |
| 17:48.05 | cncfanatics | \o/ hello all |
| 17:48.47 | ckknight | howdy, cncfanatics |
| 17:49.08 | cncfanatics | quite good |
| 17:49.14 | cncfanatics | 5 days of weekend yeeeeeeeey |
| 17:49.36 | AckisWork | why 5 days? |
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| 17:49.46 | cncfanatics | tuesday is a non work day here |
| 17:50.05 | cncfanatics | so we skip mondays |
| 17:50.05 | cncfanatics | and wednesdays are my days off |
| 17:50.05 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 17:50.30 | qwesto | then wotlk arrives ;p |
| 17:50.39 | AckisWork | cncfanatics: Tuesday = Rememberance Day :( |
| 17:50.49 | ulic | I'm taking my PTO next weekend for a 5 day weekend :) |
| 17:51.44 | cncfanatics | qwesto: I'm rerolling (again) , so couldn't care less |
| 17:51.50 | cncfanatics | gonna buy it when my new pally is level 65isg |
| 17:51.55 | Jaxon | cncfanatics: Canadian? |
| 17:52.08 | cncfanatics | Jaxon: european, belgian to be exact |
| 17:52.19 | AckisWork | cncfanatics: I thought you were french |
| 17:52.36 | AckisWork | Belgians love Canadians though right? :P |
| 17:52.38 | Jaxon | cncfanatics: aha, I've family from there. I assumed Canadian, we have Remembrance Day next week. |
| 17:52.47 | cncfanatics | AckisWork: my father is french |
| 17:52.53 | AckisWork | Jaxon: what part are you from eh? |
| 17:52.53 | cncfanatics | and I'm at about 10km from the french border ^^ |
| 17:53.00 | Jaxon | AckisWork: Edmonton |
| 17:53.02 | cncfanatics | and yes I love canadians :D |
| 17:53.06 | AckisWork | Jaxon: are you serious? |
| 17:53.12 | Jaxon | I hope so. |
| 17:53.20 | ckknight | Edmonton has a sweet mall ;-) |
| 17:53.24 | AckisWork | Jaxon: that's where I'm from too :P |
| 17:53.35 | AckisWork | ckknight: it's kinda big |
| 17:53.38 | ckknight | true |
| 17:53.41 | ckknight | but it's cool |
| 17:53.41 | Jaxon | ckknight: I'm not a big fan. Too many tourists. |
| 17:53.48 | AckisWork | locals don't go there often |
| 17:53.49 | ckknight | well, I went as a tourist when I was 10 |
| 17:53.49 | Jaxon | AckisWork: very interesting. |
| 17:53.50 | ckknight | :-P |
| 17:53.52 | AckisWork | excpet for hooters |
| 17:54.05 | Jaxon | AckisWork: so just msg me your address so I know where to get my Collectinator bugs fixed quickly |
| 17:54.10 | dieck | AckisWork: is that "except" or "expect"? :) |
| 17:54.22 | cncfanatics | except most likely |
| 17:54.27 | AckisWork | jaxon uhhhh :P |
| 17:54.35 | Jaxon | :P |
| 17:54.36 | AckisWork | dieck: I can't type |
| 17:54.46 | cncfanatics | Jaxon: you should see his drycodes (a) |
| 17:54.47 | AckisWork | Jaxon: what part of town are you from? |
| 17:55.09 | Jaxon | AckisWork: work on the west end (Stony Plain) live on the north end. |
| 17:55.27 | AckisWork | ahh I work downtown and live on the east end (abbottsfield aka the ghetto) |
| 17:55.48 | dieck | so you're just missing one from the south :) |
| 17:56.44 | Jaxon | dieck: I found out two of my guild members lived in the same city as myself and one of my friends in the same guild, now we gather almost weekly for things like Rock Band and board games, etc. In fact, one of them referred me to the job I'm at RIGHT NOW. |
| 17:56.48 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 17:56.59 | cncfanatics | I would be unable to tell what wind direction of town I love in / work in :p |
| 17:57.02 | harl | is there a chance that "too much" memory can make WoW (and/or windows for that matter) cause to be disrupted and therefore "twitching" in certain unknown situations when i'm in-combat ? |
| 17:57.31 | Jaxon | harl: I don't see how. I've had issues in combat when disc use was high. |
| 17:57.48 | AckisWork | Jaxon: really? I haven't found many people from edmonton playing |
| 17:57.49 | harl | ok, i'll check that next time. |
| 17:57.57 | dieck | Jaxon: we found 3 people that way living in the same town :) and one (who does not live here) who looks excatly like me. a lost twin or something. I'm going to meet him at our netxt guild meeting in 2 weeks :) |
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| 17:58.28 | Jaxon | AckisWork: just show up at a midnight launch from EB and start askign which realm they play on. |
| 17:58.42 | Jaxon | Then make fun of the oeple that play on RP realms and run away before you get a full character history. |
| 17:59.32 | AckisWork | I don't have wrath pre-ordered lol |
| 17:59.59 | AckisWork | no CE, not sure if I want to play w/o a CE :( |
| 18:00.02 | cncfanatics | meh midnight launches |
| 18:00.12 | dieck | as the servers will be lagging for 3-5 days at least, it should be no problem not having pre-ordered :) |
| 18:00.15 | cncfanatics | AckisWork: one of the reasons I'm rerolling \o/ |
| 18:00.23 | cncfanatics | I can take my time & wait for CE |
| 18:00.24 | AckisWork | pokes Kaelten |
| 18:00.28 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: you have a source to buy a CE at a reasonable price? (<100EUR) |
| 18:00.37 | Kaelten | ? |
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| 18:00.50 | dieck | hm, what's a ce? |
| 18:00.56 | Slayman | Collectors Edition |
| 18:01.00 | dieck | ah, k |
| 18:01.20 | [Ammo] | buy for US$ the US$ is worth peanuts p |
| 18:01.21 | KriLL3 | it's 60⬠here |
| 18:01.22 | [Ammo] | :) :) |
| 18:01.24 | asmodai | Slayman: apparently you can buy CEs at the midnight launches. |
| 18:01.27 | CrazyBenny | can I use AceLocale 3 to localize addon without using any other Ace libraries? |
| 18:01.37 | KriLL3 | asmodai: you have to pre-order |
| 18:01.47 | asmodai | Apparently Alex Mayberry is coming to my city |
| 18:01.55 | Slayman | asmodai: All of those had to be pre-ordered by telephone some time ago |
| 18:01.57 | ArrowmasterClass | i just got a CE ordered from amazon! |
| 18:02.16 | asmodai | Slayman: which is odd, given the email I got: |
| 18:02.17 | asmodai | ⢠Dress up as a World of Warcraft character and be one of |
| 18:02.17 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.50 | Slayman | asmodai: As much as i want one I'm not THAT nerdy |
| 18:02.56 | asmodai | I know, same here. |
| 18:02.58 | KriLL3 | I pre ordered from my local gamestop a couple of months ago |
| 18:03.02 | asmodai | midnight launches: meh |
| 18:03.14 | asmodai | I am not that desparate to play a few hours ahead of the rest |
| 18:03.30 | asmodai | only cool thing would be to get it signed by someone who worked on it |
| 18:03.32 | Slayman | well i may call and see if any of the surrounding ones got me a CE for around 90 bucks |
| 18:03.33 | mitchnull | crazy: at first glance, yes |
| 18:03.43 | mitchnull | crazy: you'll need LibStub + AceLocale |
| 18:03.51 | Slayman | asmodai: you can have that in Berlin |
| 18:04.01 | CrazyBenny | oki, thanks |
| 18:04.12 | asmodai | Slayman: I prefer staying near to Rotterdam |
| 18:04.34 | asmodai | :D |
| 18:05.04 | mitchnull | crazy: but AceDB is also handy. so is AceConfig. then why stop? :) |
| 18:05.20 | asmodai | what was that bag thing, cobumbulator? |
| 18:05.43 | mitchnull | @project combuctor |
| 18:05.44 | Repo | mitchnull: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/combuctor/. Combuctor. Game: WoW. Leader: Tuller. Updated: 9 days ago |
| 18:05.49 | Slayman | asmodai: that way you can get high before buy! |
| 18:06.02 | asmodai | ah combuctor |
| 18:06.10 | balstor | wow all the documentation on AceConfig-3.0 |
| 18:06.15 | asmodai | Slayman: I don't do weed anyway |
| 18:06.16 | Repo | 10tabard: 03LordFarlander * r48 Tabard.lua: Tabard: |
| 18:06.17 | Repo | - Fix favorites setting gui |
| 18:06.42 | Repo | 10tabard: 03LordFarlander 042.5.49-release * r49 : Tagging as 2.5.49-release |
| 18:07.41 | cncfanatics | anyone with a guild in EU looking for paladins & accepting rerolls ? |
| 18:07.50 | cncfanatics | pref on bronze dragonflight :D |
| 18:08.06 | mitchnull | *snicker* |
| 18:08.43 | ArrowmasterClass | YES! |
| 18:08.58 | ArrowmasterClass | my copy of gears of war 2 is at my local post office! |
| 18:09.10 | AckisWork | I saw nerds lined up for that last night |
| 18:09.18 | AckisWork | I wanted to join them :( |
| 18:09.23 | ArrowmasterClass | i preordered it online |
| 18:09.33 | ArrowmasterClass | i get a remote control tank! |
| 18:09.46 | AckisWork | lol |
| 18:10.06 | ArrowmasterClass | ill take picks of it when i get it, hopefully today |
| 18:10.15 | ArrowmasterClass | if im not busy playing GoW2 |
| 18:11.55 | Ithato | should've just bought it yesterday at 7-11 |
| 18:11.57 | Ithato | if you're in US |
| 18:12.10 | Ithato | i hear they were mostly like "duh...what's a street date?" |
| 18:13.15 | asmodai | cncfanatics: sorry, Thunderhorn here :) |
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| 18:13.46 | Nirek | was CharacterFrameTabButtonTemplate changed or renamed? |
| 18:15.13 | Slayman | our local discount-and-electronics chain works because only retarded ppl pick up the phone in there |
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| 18:15.59 | NeoTron | Ithato: I wonder if that will work with WotLK... P |
| 18:16.25 | Slayman | and now i only know they get some Collectors Editions but they do not reserve nor do they know how many they'll get |
| 18:16.29 | Ithato | NeoTron: they are supposedly carrying it for a midnight release, so unfortunately i bet they're a tad more attentive |
| 18:16.36 | Slayman | [*how much ]?? |
| 18:17.49 | Slayman | Ithato: I too installed it already, but there is for a low-life like me no way to get a key before official selling starts |
| 18:21.14 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Dally1991 06wrath-clone * r743 Data/Paladin.lua: DrDamage: |
| 18:21.15 | Repo | - Modified data for adding AP to damage spells |
| 18:22.17 | Stanzilla | enchants AckisWork |
| 18:22.51 | Ithato | anyone know if Rabbit is around? and/or is anyone here familiar with ClosetGnome_Banker and it's quirky behavior |
| 18:23.01 | Ithato | s/it's/its/ |
| 18:23.49 | Stanzilla | Ithato: rabbit is vhaarr |
| 18:23.59 | Slayman | Thank God work's over in half an hour |
| 18:24.05 | Ithato | Stanzilla: useful to know, thanks |
| 18:24.08 | Ithato | vhaarr: ping? |
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| 18:25.46 | Ithato | can someone shoot me their armory link for a well-geared 70 that I can play with? working on an armory-scraping webapp and my toon doesn't have data yet, just transferred servers |
| 18:26.13 | AckisWork | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Ackis |
| 18:26.36 | Jaxon | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Deathwing&n=Jaxon |
| 18:26.51 | Ithato | ty |
| 18:26.52 | Jaxon | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Deathwing&n=Maniac |
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| 18:27.03 | AckisWork | haha two edmontonians are trolls! |
| 18:27.11 | dieck | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Der+Rat+von+Dalaran&n=Urquart |
| 18:27.26 | Ithato | dieck: thanks, an EU toon will be helpful as well |
| 18:27.31 | Slayman | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Taerar&n=Slaymage |
| 18:28.04 | dieck | Ithato: it's our MT, my gear is a mess :) he may be in pvp gear, though |
| 18:28.06 | ArrowmasterClass | heh i havent logged in yet seems my armory isnt available |
| 18:28.07 | Primer | * NEW - Texture:SetRotation(angle [,cx, cy]) - This is simply a shorthand for the appropriate 8 argument SetTexCoord rotation (in C++ so it's fast) |
| 18:28.10 | Primer | hrmm |
| 18:28.13 | Slayman | dieck: Nice Guildname :D |
| 18:28.15 | KriLL3 | man, are receipts specially designed to fade as quickly as possible? got a 4 month recipie that's been in a drawer all of that time and not handled and it's just white paper now... |
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| 18:28.48 | dieck | Slayman: thx :) |
| 18:28.49 | Ithato | KriLL3: i've noticed that too. a week in my wallet = useless trash. |
| 18:29.07 | Jaxon | Yeah, thermal paper doesn't have very good longevity. |
| 18:29.20 | KriLL3 | Ithato: I remove em from the wallet at the first opportunity, but they still fade really quickly |
| 18:30.06 | Slayman | KriLL3: they maybe made by Thermotransfer, try heating the thing up VERY carefully |
| 18:30.12 | Gnarfoz | <Slayman> Gnarfoz: you have a source to buy a CE at a reasonable price? (<100EUR) <-- wtf ;p 100â¬? ^^ it was simply normal price (35â¬) *2 on amazon back when they had some. :O |
| 18:30.14 | Ithato | Jaxon: we use thermal-transfer labels in the pharmacy at my work (parent business is durable medical goods) because they're comparatively water-proof. shame paper isn't so lucky. |
| 18:31.03 | Ithato | Jaxon: that particular printer is a bigger PITA than most of the rest in the building combined. has to be re-assembled just so after changing the labels or the ribbon. |
| 18:32.00 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: i surfed on amazon hit the 1-click button => "we are sorry, click here to get informed when this product is avaible" and that was like 3mins after 2pm when they had the first copies |
| 18:32.11 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: same luck on the 2nd charge they got |
| 18:32.29 | Slayman | want to trade untouched TBC CE for WotLK |
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| 18:32.56 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather have a vanilla CE than any of the other 2 |
| 18:33.19 | dieck | hm. can you upgrade to CE afterwards? (is there any other "ingame" reason than the pet?) |
| 18:33.58 | ArrowmasterClass | ive heard you can but i dont know how to do it |
| 18:34.05 | Slayman | dieck : you could with tbc, and no except the pet there is no reason known to me |
| 18:34.29 | Fisker- | 6 days until madness |
| 18:34.38 | dieck | Tyrael Pet 536 EUR? lol |
| 18:34.51 | Slayman | yes and just 1 little level to 70 for my 2nd toon |
| 18:35.06 | Slayman | dieck: TCG pet? |
| 18:35.48 | dieck | Slayman: WWI 2008. We thought about going, but it was quite expensinve. Now I know we'll go in 2009 and sell the pets :) |
| 18:35.55 | Primer | I can never seem to find the "current" UI suggestion thread on the forums, and it seems this is never made sticky. Anyone have it handy? |
| 18:35.57 | Megalon | Slayman: tyrael is from WWI08 |
| 18:36.21 | Gnarfoz | dieck: I bet they give out cockroach pets for wwi09 then |
| 18:36.27 | Gnarfoz | dieck: :D |
| 18:36.45 | Slayman | well there are better reasons to go to paris than WWI |
| 18:37.24 | Megalon | it's wrong to be french! |
| 18:37.34 | dieck | I bet there are people buying them at ridicilous prices :) |
| 18:37.56 | dieck | Megalon: I'd just be visiting :) |
| 18:38.05 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: there are? are you sure? :p |
| 18:38.17 | Gnarfoz | dieck: needs a way to get more than 1 per person, though. :\ |
| 18:38.31 | Gnarfoz | dieck: or someone clueless enough to give theirs away ;D |
| 18:38.47 | balstor | Nevcairiel ping |
| 18:39.01 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: I seriously hope so, last time i was there it was quite nice (that one would be a HILARIOUS joke if i where there 68 years ago) |
| 18:39.04 | dieck | just buy two tickets. at 500 - 700 EUR per pet it'll pay out :) |
| 18:39.41 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: go there and mug them ALL for their petcodes! |
| 18:39.53 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: obvious solution to a complex problem |
| 18:39.56 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: i sponsor the Ski-masks |
| 18:39.58 | Gnarfoz | I applaud you. |
| 18:39.58 | Gnarfoz | :> |
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| 18:40.19 | Slayman | they are nerds they won't put up a fighrt |
| 18:40.24 | dieck | please try only to mug the french ^^ |
| 18:40.27 | Gnarfoz | but I'm a nerd, too! :p |
| 18:40.28 | balstor | Nevcairiel: in optSetter where is "local key = info[#info] " getting its value from in the options structure?? |
| 18:40.35 | Slayman | dieck: that would be racist |
| 18:40.37 | Gnarfoz | dieck: they deserve it anyway, riiight? :p |
| 18:40.47 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: only if "French" were a race. ;p |
| 18:40.48 | balstor | mug the mimes, they can't scream for help |
| 18:40.53 | Megalon | just get a chick who knows all D&D rulesets |
| 18:40.56 | Slayman | I mug them all regardless of color or nationality |
| 18:41.01 | Megalon | they will follow here everywhere! |
| 18:41.04 | Megalon | her :x |
| 18:41.18 | dieck | Slayman: no, it would be racism to mug none french, because they would tell the world how much crime there is in french :) |
| 18:41.21 | dieck | in france |
| 18:41.29 | Slayman | Megalon: problem is there is no hot chick who knows all rulesets |
| 18:41.51 | Slayman | Megalon: law of nature, I'm sorry |
| 18:41.53 | Megalon | Slayman: i can get you a pair of fake breasts then, should be enough! |
| 18:42.37 | Belazor | ~seen Zhinjio |
| 18:42.38 | purl | zhinjio is currently on #wowace (9d 17h 14m 14s) #curseforge (9d 17h 14m 14s). Has said a total of 629 messages. Is idling for 7h 32m 10s, last said: 'ah, yeah'. |
| 18:43.13 | Slayman | Megalon: let's combine plans, you paralyze those nerds, I mug'em |
| 18:43.35 | dieck | and I'll take the codes :) |
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| 18:44.23 | balstor | anyone understanc ACE3 config structures??? |
| 18:44.29 | Slayman | dieck: if we manage to mug em ALL we have a monopoly on those pets, we could buy off google and microsoft with the money we make! |
| 18:44.31 | dieck | but may be it's less illegal if Megalon puts on his fake breasts and tries to get the codes from some of the "nerdier" nerds "for free" :) |
| 18:45.16 | Primer | I'm trying to get a sense of what is available via APIs provided by blizzard, vs. libraries. My understanding was that map coordinates was a hack. Is that still the case since 3.0.2? |
| 18:45.44 | Primer | Didn't 3.0.2 add something to make this NOT a hack? Or was it just the addition of coordinates in instances? |
| 18:45.56 | balstor | well there is an Blizzard API to get your current cordinates ( been around for a while) |
| 18:46.00 | dieck | Primer: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 18:46.04 | Repo | 10cryolysis3: 03Belazor * r79 Cryolysis3.lua: Local'd some functions we only use in Cryolysis3.lua |
| 18:46.06 | Slayman | now to a whole another thing: mage talent Arcane Focus, does it give hit to ALL spells or just arcane? |
| 18:46.13 | Primer | dieck: and that helps me how? |
| 18:46.32 | dieck | Primer: there are all APIs available from blizzard |
| 18:46.54 | Primer | I don't see how that answers my question though |
| 18:47.24 | dieck | "I'm trying to get a sense of what is available via APIs provided by blizzard" |
| 18:47.29 | Primer | dieck: yes, I realize that now |
| 18:47.33 | Primer | sorry |
| 18:47.38 | Primer | it just looked so "RTFM"ish |
| 18:47.40 | dieck | now you'll only have to compare that to libarries |
| 18:47.52 | balstor | restate your questiin I think you want to know where there is an addon givin map cordinates |
| 18:47.58 | Primer | it's not that |
| 18:48.04 | dieck | it's lika a rtfm, but a goood one :) |
| 18:48.10 | Primer | I'm composing a post to the UI suggestion thread |
| 18:48.26 | Primer | I'd like to request Z axis info, now that true player pitch has been added |
| 18:48.44 | Primer | people said they'd never add either, but now that we have pitch, I'd like to ask for more |
| 18:49.05 | balstor | annn yhea been a lot of talk about Z about a year ago to give a real flyiing hud |
| 18:49.16 | Primer | balstor: well, I have a flying hud |
| 18:49.28 | Primer | I just updated it to use GetUnitPitch() |
| 18:49.51 | Primer | afaik, mine is the only one |
| 18:49.58 | balstor | Then ask for Z and give some good reasons |
| 18:50.04 | Primer | I have been |
| 18:50.33 | Primer | since I first released my addon...many months ago |
| 18:51.19 | Primer | damn, Jan of 2008 |
| 18:51.29 | Primer | doesn't seem that long ago |
| 18:51.34 | balstor | thing is I don't think x,y has ever been a hack, I think it has always been in game |
| 18:51.47 | Primer | anyhow, my impression was that x,y coordinates was a hack |
| 18:52.04 | Primer | and that only recently has there been additions to the actual blizzard API to provide this |
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| 18:52.22 | Primer | and it's this impression that I'd like to clarify |
| 18:52.28 | balstor | yhea and I remember addons that would steer your toon from point A to point B (autopilot) from way back |
| 18:52.51 | balstor | so I don't think it has ever been a hack (outside of instances) |
| 18:53.16 | Primer | Ok, I guess I'll just keep my post as a simple request for Z axis for the sake of my addon |
| 18:53.29 | balstor | I remember for a while there was a little intrest inside instances but it never really went anywhere and then i think blizzard added that API at some point (not 100% sure) |
| 18:53.52 | asmodai | ~wowaler |
| 18:53.54 | asmodai | ~wowalert |
| 18:53.54 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 18:54.22 | balstor | acedb-3.0 grumble piss moamn not saving my DB grumble |
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| 18:54.48 | Primer | balstor: I'm still trying to find a good argument for them to add it OTHER than just to make my addon better |
| 18:54.57 | Slayman | work's over! |
| 18:55.07 | Slayman | Im outa here have fun! |
| 18:55.39 | balstor | well since they change the area of visibility on a toon to tracking nodes from a cyclinder to a sphere you could argue it would make gather addons better |
| 18:55.49 | Primer | something like "Any 3D engine operates in 3D space. It should be a simple matter to export the Z axis information" |
| 18:56.13 | balstor | You could also argue it would allow for the creation of in game fling game addons like tag (harry potter cough cough) |
| 18:56.20 | Primer | "regarless if it's relative to any known point on a map, as long as it's consist" |
| 18:56.33 | Primer | consistent |
| 18:56.37 | balstor | hmm depends on the Z scale |
| 18:56.44 | Ithato | Primer: that would also be useful in addons such as GatherMate to hide minimap blips if you are X units above the ground |
| 18:56.49 | Ithato | very useful |
| 18:56.50 | balstor | may show up negative :) |
| 18:57.05 | Primer | doesn't matter, as long as each zone has a constant |
| 18:57.10 | balstor | creaton of a ground avoidance system |
| 18:57.22 | Primer | much in the same way horizontal speed is calculated based on tables of modifiers for each zone |
| 18:57.25 | balstor | and addon that tells you it's safe to dismount and fall |
| 18:57.36 | Primer | yeah, that'd be planned for my addon |
| 18:58.00 | balstor | the thing i can think of is that Z height in it's simplist form would not be relative to the ground |
| 18:58.05 | Primer | green = no damage, yellow = moderate damage, orange = considerable damage, red = death |
| 18:58.09 | Primer | something like that |
| 18:58.18 | Primer | yeah, that's another thing I've mentioned |
| 18:58.25 | balstor | it will be relative to the zone's center of it's xyz cordinate frame |
| 18:58.29 | Primer | I'd be willing to map elevation across every flyable zone |
| 18:58.36 | Primer | and put that into a table |
| 18:58.43 | Primer | its |
| 18:59.05 | balstor | mapping elevation could be done by riding across the zone on a land mount to get the base elevation height |
| 18:59.12 | Primer | exactly |
| 18:59.25 | Primer | it's be tedious work, surely |
| 18:59.27 | ArrowmasterClass | that would be an extremely large table |
| 18:59.31 | balstor | then store it in a standard height map (hello grayscale texture) |
| 18:59.32 | Primer | but I told them I'd do it |
| 18:59.43 | Primer | arrowmaster: depends on the size of the samples |
| 18:59.47 | balstor | not a table it's a simple texture |
| 19:00.04 | Primer | could just make it every 10 square yards or so (at first) |
| 19:00.10 | ArrowmasterClass | you would need to have a realitivly dense sample size |
| 19:00.17 | ArrowmasterClass | for some areas |
| 19:00.49 | balstor | to bee fair you could load the level into a real 3D prograam and have it recolor the ground the image it and reduce it to make a map |
| 19:01.12 | Primer | You'd also need some slope information as well |
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| 19:01.32 | Primer | imagine dismounting somewhere where the addon reports that it's safe, only to find that you're on a steep slope |
| 19:01.34 | balstor | You could also use a EEBB (spelling) to cover those areas with no elevaton change |
| 19:01.36 | Cheads | any news about Kaelten's new Curse Client |
| 19:02.02 | balstor | extract slope from the data take 4 points and interpolate |
| 19:02.17 | ArrowmasterClass | you would need to actually find the closest 4 points though |
| 19:02.30 | balstor | thats a simplistic operation |
| 19:02.32 | ArrowmasterClass | which would require looping over the table a few times |
| 19:02.39 | ArrowmasterClass | not if its a large table |
| 19:03.30 | balstor | a table by definition allows for jumping to the center and since the index into the table would be x/y cords you would look at a max of 5 lookups into the table |
| 19:04.14 | balstor | if you use a set of sparse boundry boxes they would be prestored into an AVL tree with the maxiumum looks of around 10 derefrences and 10 compares |
| 19:04.24 | Primer | presumable lua can do the lookup without too big of an expense. The only real consideration is memory to hold the table |
| 19:04.44 | balstor | (right 3D engines in my spare time manipulating this flat data map is a pretty generic operation) |
| 19:04.44 | Primer | One could simply separate tables based not on zones, but subzones |
| 19:06.03 | balstor | You could point out to the that a relative height finding could all be done on the client computer thus using zero server time |
| 19:06.52 | Primer | yeah, I'm mentioning that all I want is _any_ Z axis info |
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| 19:06.59 | Primer | regardless of reference to a point |
| 19:07.12 | Primer | since that can be hashed out later entirely in the addon |
| 19:07.25 | Primer | as long as it remains consistent across patches |
| 19:07.47 | Primer | I'd hate to have to re-create that elevation table :) |
| 19:07.58 | balstor | well it can all be done client side since the client contains all the maps |
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| 19:10.11 | linear` | whats a good gui lib |
| 19:10.42 | Kaelten | Dashkal: ping |
| 19:10.49 | Ithato | linear`: LibSimpleOptions? what do you hope to accomplish? |
| 19:12.33 | linear` | make a fauxscrollframe that contains list which is editable by the user |
| 19:12.47 | linear` | and some edit boxes for input |
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| 19:13.04 | linear` | text for instructions and such |
| 19:13.20 | linear` | and checkboxes for toggles |
| 19:14.08 | balstor | AceDB-3.0 is going to annoy me for the weekend I feel it already |
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| 19:15.54 | Dashkal | Is /. broken for anybody else? |
| 19:16.11 | Primer | Works For Me⢠|
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| 19:16.14 | kenlyric | in what sense? |
| 19:16.20 | Dezzimal | nope |
| 19:16.24 | Dashkal | The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. |
| 19:16.25 | kenlyric | I can get to it |
| 19:16.26 | Dashkal | consistently |
| 19:16.30 | kenlyric | but, it's still Broken |
| 19:16.43 | Dashkal | hrm, wonder what's going on. router down somewhere, prolly |
| 19:16.56 | Dashkal | kenlyric: only if you read the comments :p Treat it like an rss feed and all is well |
| 19:17.14 | kenlyric | I do treat it like an rss feed :) |
| 19:17.26 | kenlyric | screw websites, they're the wave of the past |
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| 19:21.13 | Repo | 10ag_unitframes: 03kagaro * r673 ag_Extras/modules/happiness/happiness.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Setup mode changes, happiness can now work |
| 19:22.19 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1043 AckisRecipeList.lua: Rename a function |
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| 19:22.51 | Groktar | pounces |
| 19:23.48 | asmodai | Dashkal: If it helps, I'm getting some strange network issues as well |
| 19:24.04 | asmodai | only for a small moment, and then back |
| 19:24.32 | Dashkal | asmodai: hrm. Yeah, I was able to get it to load again. |
| 19:24.33 | Primer | balstor: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&postId=124532360900&sid=1#356 <-- My post. Any thoughts you have regarding it would be appreciated |
| 19:24.53 | Dashkal | But you're .nl, so I'd be very surprised if they're related (I'm west coast Canada) |
| 19:24.53 | balstor | kay |
| 19:24.59 | asmodai | Dashkal: yeah |
| 19:25.19 | asmodai | Dashkal: TEH INTARWEBS IS DOWN! |
| 19:25.40 | Dashkal | OH GOD EVERYBODY PANIC! |
| 19:25.44 | Dashkal | ahem |
| 19:27.02 | Cheads | who shut it down? |
| 19:28.57 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03sylvanaar 043.0b1 * r115 : Tagging 3.0b1 |
| 19:30.03 | Dashkal | Gnomes |
| 19:30.19 | Paene-School | Fuzzy Gnomes to be exact |
| 19:31.13 | chiper | send Kyle in to reset it |
| 19:36.08 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1044 AckisRecipeList.lua: Another small fix |
| 19:40.53 | Aeyan | There's gnomes in the tubes |
| 19:42.17 | Primer | I blame the LHC |
| 19:42.38 | Paene-School | isn't it still broken? |
| 19:44.20 | Repo | 10feed-machine: 03Nirek * r51 / (5 files in 1 directory): FeedMachine: Repair the food menu ui |
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| 19:47.45 | LexSfX | Shefki: i was able to reproduce the TBag freezing bug consistently with no other addons loaded. i'm using the latest revision of TBag from the repository. |
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| 19:48.31 | LexSfX | Shefki: i'll open a ticket on Curseforge. |
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| 19:53.48 | Anaral | nevcairiel: Can you help me with Bar4, please? I'm trying to run it disembedded, but it keeps saying that it can't find LibKeybound-1.0. It's there and checked on the character screen. |
| 19:54.15 | nevcairiel | I dont support disembed, run it like i distribute it :) |
| 19:55.08 | Anaral | Heh. Otay. |
| 19:55.10 | NeoTron | O M G http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37254 lol |
| 19:56.11 | Ithato | NeoTron: lolol |
| 19:58.47 | ArrowmasterClass | nevcairiel: you list the libs in optdeps though right? because everything works fine for me disembedded |
| 19:59.03 | nevcairiel | yeah i do |
| 19:59.09 | nevcairiel | i just dont help people that cant get it to work |
| 20:00.43 | Groktar | whispers some lewd instructions into your ear |
| 20:01.07 | Ithato | Groktar: ew, really? is that even humanly possible? |
| 20:01.10 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r108 services/classgenderfix.lua: vielleicht / vielleicht nicht... |
| 20:02.15 | Stanzilla | zumg |
| 20:06.05 | sylvanaar | when is something debug to the packager? |
| 20:06.19 | sylvanaar | my working copy checked out from the svn? |
| 20:06.20 | ArrowmasterClass | alpha i think |
| 20:06.35 | sylvanaar | there is alpha too |
| 20:07.00 | sylvanaar | --@alpha@ and --@end-alpha@. |
| 20:07.03 | ArrowmasterClass | i thought debug was suppost to be commented out on all zips |
| 20:07.08 | sylvanaar | --@debug@ and --@end-debug@ |
| 20:07.13 | ArrowmasterClass | but somebody said it wasnt for alphas |
| 20:07.39 | sylvanaar | debug makes sense for svn working copies - i'll go with that theory |
| 20:09.29 | Grum | sylvanaar: really nice parsing stuff done on Prat :) |
| 20:09.35 | Grum | I might abuse parts of it |
| 20:10.26 | Grum | the only thing that i wonder about is; if you dont get all the event-stuff (aka: someone 'forges' a message with AddMessage to be printed; you cant break it down this easily; do you still try? or just leave it be without 'trying a best efford' ? |
| 20:10.42 | Grum | s/d'/t'/ |
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| 20:12.36 | sylvanaar | Grum addmessages are printed fine - they arent parsed |
| 20:12.45 | Grum | ah k :) |
| 20:12.56 | sylvanaar | they arent considered chat messages at that point |
| 20:13.03 | harl | why am i having two different unit frame tooltips showing, eh? |
| 20:13.17 | Grum | so how do you seperate AddMessages and CHAT_MSG_ events? |
| 20:13.35 | Grum | do you remove the event-handler on the chatframe and replace it with your own? |
| 20:13.42 | sylvanaar | hook both ChatFrame_messageeventhandler and addmessage |
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| 20:15.19 | Grum | still pondering on how to handle it :) |
| 20:15.26 | sylvanaar | then i toss out the call to addmessage made from ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler, and call my own AFTER chatframemessageeventhandler has returned |
| 20:16.14 | Grum | ah; so you just hook it; remove AddMessage from the stack (or replace it with something silly) and then do AddMessage yourself? ^^ |
| 20:16.36 | Grum | (or actually you prolly replace AddMessage with something which stores the outgoing message for yourself right?) |
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| 20:16.55 | sylvanaar | yes, i watch the addmessage to see if any output actually occurs (for chat types prat explicitly handles) |
| 20:17.30 | sylvanaar | this let all the mods that hooked addmessage to block chat messages to still work |
| 20:18.01 | sylvanaar | they just couldnt modify the output on message types in prat's white list |
| 20:18.10 | Repo | 10feed-machine: 03Nirek * r52 / (2 files in 1 directory): FeedMachine: remove debug, fix popup header (sortof) |
| 20:18.12 | sylvanaar | via addmessage |
| 20:18.40 | Grum | which file do you do this? so i can easily look it up? :) |
| 20:18.46 | sylvanaar | addon.lua |
| 20:20.07 | Grum | ty <3 |
| 20:21.26 | harl | is there a way to prevent tooltips to be shown though they should not, when i mousover something else which is allowed to have a tooltip and then immediately move over to the one that isn't ? |
| 20:22.12 | sylvanaar | also, the message tables can function as per-event lua environments, you can store values in them during processing, and they will be cleaned up for you |
| 20:22.34 | Grum | free of charge? :) |
| 20:22.40 | sylvanaar | actually per/event/frame |
| 20:23.09 | sylvanaar | i still havent made a per event on all frames |
| 20:23.13 | Grum | i'm considering to set up templates based on the CHAT_..._GET data to extract the exact playerlinks/achievementlinks/etc from known events; not sure if that is still worthwhile |
| 20:23.17 | sylvanaar | they are nilled out each time |
| 20:24.09 | sylvanaar | why extract out? |
| 20:24.17 | balstor | anyone got any clues on ACEDB-3.0 ??? |
| 20:24.22 | sylvanaar | so you can reformat them? |
| 20:25.34 | Primer | Anyone know if the "Crocolisks in the city" quest hack for catching old crafty still works? |
| 20:25.43 | Grum | well no; mostly so i dont have to do magic gsubs for for example achievementlinks/itemlinks etc if I'm sure the text wont have them |
| 20:25.53 | Grum | 'hack' ? |
| 20:26.04 | Primer | bug |
| 20:26.08 | Grum | explain |
| 20:26.16 | balstor | details.... |
| 20:26.39 | Primer | apparently if you have the crocolisks in the city quest, it'd VASTLY increase your chances of catching old crafty |
| 20:26.50 | sylvanaar | grum i just special cased the ones i knew of in chatsections.lua, but prat's system explicitly handles playerlinks |
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| 20:27.22 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 20:27.34 | Grum | yeah i saw that; but i'm wondering if shortcutting most of the message is useful :) |
| 20:27.40 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 20:27.41 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Chompers a big kiss on the neck |
| 20:27.43 | Grum | playerlinks are *always* in fixed places |
| 20:27.44 | Fisker- | yay |
| 20:27.56 | Grum | !epic fail Fisker- |
| 20:28.00 | Grum | :'( |
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| 20:29.00 | sylvanaar | yeah, they are, except if something moves them |
| 20:30.16 | sylvanaar | i just use a string:match on the ones i know about |
| 20:31.47 | sylvanaar | there may be better ways, this way has worked for me without any real problems |
| 20:32.25 | Primer | So where's the best spot for an alliance to fish in Org? And what's the best way to get there? |
| 20:32.27 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 20:32.28 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give AckisWork a big kiss on the hand |
| 20:33.50 | AckisWork | huh? |
| 20:34.07 | balstor | primer under the waterfall valley of honir and die twice |
| 20:35.08 | Fisker- | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:35.14 | Primer | ok |
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| 20:36.48 | balstor | bahhh anyone understand the dominos code??? |
| 20:38.06 | Stanzilla | I bet Tuller does :P |
| 20:38.08 | Dashkal | Primer: two choises. The one near the mage port spot (easy to reach and people don't look back) or the waterfall deep in. (Just mount up and run like hell) |
| 20:38.10 | Fisker- | ~epic fail microsoft genuine validation |
| 20:38.10 | purl | microsoft genuine validation, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you microsoft genuine validation, you are that epic failure. |
| 20:38.19 | Dashkal | Just don't try it during crocolisk in the city |
| 20:38.33 | Fisker- | They put genuine validation on DirectX 9's web installer |
| 20:38.37 | Fisker- | but not on the redist |
| 20:38.38 | Fisker- | :D |
| 20:39.09 | doom0r | web should never be followed by installer |
| 20:39.24 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 20:39.30 | doom0r | that's like following free with trojan |
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| 20:40.07 | Fisker- | Or The Happening with "plot" |
| 20:40.09 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 20:40.30 | Fisker- | The guy who made that movie should feel bad and end himself in a similar matter as portrayed in the movie |
| 20:40.38 | doom0r | i don't follow |
| 20:40.42 | dieck | hm, was anything changed in the way Events are handled to 3.0.2/ace3? self:Print("OnInitialize checkpoint 2"); self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER"); self:Print("OnInitialize checkpoint 2b"); shows checkpoint 2, but not 2b |
| 20:40.49 | chiper | hey now, M. Night trys |
| 20:40.52 | doom0r | but i don't watch tv or anything |
| 20:41.07 | Fisker- | Probably the worst movie ever |
| 20:41.11 | Fisker- | Builds up a climax |
| 20:41.13 | Fisker- | then it ends |
| 20:41.13 | chiper | no, not it is not |
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| 20:41.23 | chiper | believe me, there are many much worse |
| 20:41.32 | Gnarfoz | Manos, The Hands of Fate |
| 20:41.33 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:41.35 | chiper | Manos, The Hands of Fate, for example |
| 20:41.36 | Fisker- | chiper at some point you can't call it a movie anymore |
| 20:41.37 | doom0r | sixth sense |
| 20:41.38 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 20:41.39 | chiper | ahaha |
| 20:41.41 | Gnarfoz | hahah chiper |
| 20:41.45 | doom0r | it was freakin obvious 5 minutes in |
| 20:42.25 | Primer | Dashkal: except I don't know where the mage portals are in Org |
| 20:42.33 | Primer | <-- Dirty alliance |
| 20:42.38 | Dashkal | Primer: west entrance |
| 20:42.40 | chiper | word is he's going to do an Unbreakable sequal |
| 20:42.42 | Fisker- | See the Manos movie shouldn't even be considered a movie |
| 20:42.43 | Fisker- | :D |
| 20:42.50 | Primer | Dashkal: I'm looking at the map right now |
| 20:42.53 | Gnarfoz | Tales of the Past III is better than The Happening. |
| 20:43.00 | Primer | I see "The Valley of Spirits" |
| 20:43.02 | Gnarfoz | and it's a machinima :O |
| 20:43.08 | Primer | by the west entrance |
| 20:43.10 | Dashkal | Primer: sec, I'll give coords |
| 20:43.24 | Dashkal | Yes, that's th eone |
| 20:43.30 | chiper | Manos is one of the few movies so bad that even MST3K couldnt come up with witty remarks |
| 20:43.35 | Dashkal | mages apparently port in there |
| 20:43.52 | chiper | I also thought the Eragon movie was laughably bad |
| 20:43.54 | NivFreak | I'm a bit disappointed that we don't get good BOP blacksmithing weapons anymore |
| 20:44.01 | NivFreak | yet tailoring still gets BoP sets |
| 20:44.04 | Dashkal | The valley of honor also has merit thanks to a waterfall you can /sleep behind |
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| 20:44.29 | Pneumatus | valley of honor is so quiet compared to valley of spirits |
| 20:44.32 | Dashkal | NivFreak: I'm glad simply because it means I don't _have_ to make my DK a smith anymore |
| 20:44.46 | NivFreak | meh, you never had too |
| 20:44.49 | NivFreak | it was just an easy boost |
| 20:45.01 | Primer | ok, off I go |
| 20:45.08 | chiper | mmm, leveling tailoring again is gonna be a pain |
| 20:45.12 | balstor | what about the bitch slap to engineering makeing our mount BOE yet tailoring and the fucking mages and their carpet is all BOP, fucking mage craft |
| 20:45.13 | NivFreak | by the time you hit hyjal/BT, blacksmithing weapons were worthless |
| 20:45.18 | chiper | perhaps I'll put a guild call out for people to send me their clot |
| 20:45.21 | chiper | *cloth |
| 20:45.24 | Dashkal | Eh, had I had a plate wearer in BC I'dve taken smithing simply because those weapons were simply too good |
| 20:45.27 | NivFreak | balstor: your helicopter is still BoP |
| 20:45.39 | NivFreak | balstor: did you notice how much that chopper costs to make? |
| 20:45.43 | Dashkal | I'm still considering smithing, but it isn't such a must have anymore (gem slots are pretty) |
| 20:45.46 | NivFreak | (motorcycle) |
| 20:46.00 | balstor | yhea but it should be engineering only |
| 20:46.10 | NivFreak | Dashkal: 2 extra gem slots makes it one of the most powerful professions for me as a prot warrior |
| 20:46.13 | Dashkal | If it were engy only it should be a hell of a lot cheaper |
| 20:46.17 | chiper | then they couldnt have [Get to the choppa] |
| 20:46.24 | balstor | and goblin/gnomes should fifferent varietys |
| 20:46.24 | Dashkal | NivFreak: I'm a DPS DK, so I have a bit more leeway |
| 20:46.43 | NivFreak | It's looking like I'll be staying blacksmithing/enchanting |
| 20:46.45 | Dashkal | well, s/a/will be a but whatever |
| 20:46.50 | chiper | uhg, I never did finish leveling engineering on my hunter. such a money suck |
| 20:46.51 | NivFreak | but I really wanted to drop enchanting for mining |
| 20:47.05 | Dashkal | I'm considering scribe for the shoulder chants, and considering skinning for the cash and crit |
| 20:47.14 | NivFreak | but 48 stam * 16% > 500 health |
| 20:47.23 | NivFreak | oh, and I forgot |
| 20:47.29 | NivFreak | blacksmithing gives me _3_ sockets |
| 20:47.32 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r109 / (3 files in 3 directories): |
| 20:47.33 | Repo | Print DEBUG as the version for svn builds. Make Sure that everything is top justified, and make the gender-fixup table a local in non-debug builds |
| 20:47.40 | NivFreak | because of the weapon one |
| 20:47.48 | doom0r | NivFreak: skinning 25 crit rating |
| 20:47.51 | chiper | I plan to make my DK scribe. any recommendations for a second skill? I already have an herbalist |
| 20:47.59 | NivFreak | doom0r: prot warrior |
| 20:48.05 | doom0r | point? |
| 20:48.12 | NivFreak | I'll take stam over crit |
| 20:48.20 | NivFreak | threat isn't really an issues anymore |
| 20:48.23 | Dashkal | chiper: DPS or Tank? |
| 20:48.31 | chiper | no idea |
| 20:48.33 | Bruners | i think 3 sockets are worth taking bs for |
| 20:48.36 | NivFreak | chiper: blacksmithing |
| 20:48.39 | Dashkal | chiper: blacksmithing |
| 20:48.39 | chiper | probably both :P |
| 20:48.40 | Fisker- | man |
| 20:48.40 | NivFreak | balstor: yep |
| 20:48.43 | Fisker- | i need to hate sylvanaar |
| 20:48.46 | Fisker- | he's a night elf druid |
| 20:48.54 | NivFreak | I considered inscription as well |
| 20:48.56 | chiper | hmmm, ok |
| 20:48.58 | NivFreak | and might end up doing that in th eend |
| 20:49.08 | chiper | is BS cheaper to level then engineering? |
| 20:49.12 | NivFreak | chiper: no |
| 20:49.17 | Bruners | any place where i could check what weaponsmith weapons there are? |
| 20:49.22 | chiper | because engineerings a bitch |
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| 20:49.35 | sylvanaar | Fisker- whay |
| 20:49.46 | Bruners | chiper: about the same i think |
| 20:49.46 | Dashkal | My Druid (former main) will remain an engineer. The real question for me is who gets the first chopper :p |
| 20:49.47 | balstor | so why does acedb-3.0 suck balls? |
| 20:49.55 | selckin | Bruners: all boe |
| 20:50.06 | chiper | balstor: that's just the way it was born |
| 20:50.20 | Repo | 10glassunitframes: 03h3nrym2 * r6 / (2 files in 2 directories): font update |
| 20:50.24 | Bruners | selckin: i got bs on my hunter so wondering if there is anything good :P |
| 20:50.43 | balstor | piece of trash never flushes bsck to the harddrive |
| 20:50.49 | sylvanaar | reload ui |
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| 20:50.55 | balstor | I did |
| 20:50.57 | Dashkal | balstor: flush is ONLY on exit or reload |
| 20:50.59 | dieck | was anything changed in the way Events are handled to 3.0.2/ace3? self:Print("OnInitialize checkpoint 2"); self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER"); self:Print("OnInitialize checkpoint 2b"); shows checkpoint 2, but not 2b |
| 20:50.59 | balstor | I logged out |
| 20:51.10 | balstor | it doesn't flush |
| 20:51.16 | Dashkal | then you're doing it wrong (make sure you init with the same var name as is specified in your toc) |
| 20:51.21 | Bruners | bloodmoon was a decent hunter weapon untill s2 and bt |
| 20:51.30 | sylvanaar | dieck pastey |
| 20:51.39 | sylvanaar | that code doesnt make any sense |
| 20:52.33 | balstor | Dashkal now thats a possibility ccause under 2.0 there was a registerDB method |
| 20:53.07 | dieck | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/100930 |
| 20:53.11 | Dashkal | If you're having serious trouble getting it to work, have a quick look over the updated welcome hope ace tutorial, it does handle acedb |
| 20:53.36 | dieck | sylvanaar: worked well pre-3.0 |
| 20:53.44 | Dashkal | welcome _home_ |
| 20:53.54 | dieck | sylvanaar: so i ssupose there was something changed in lk in event handling |
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| 20:54.36 | balstor | Dashkal I looked over it and a bunch of other ones and it is more of i need "So you migrating to 3.0 from 2.0) tutorial |
| 20:55.06 | dieck | Dashkal: I already searched that -- where exactly is the welcome home tutorial now? as the wiki is no longer available |
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| 20:55.09 | Dashkal | I was actually referring to the segment that covers setting the thing up. Then you can compare to what you're doing |
| 20:55.23 | Dashkal | dieck: erm, good question. Kaelten? What happened to the old wiki? |
| 20:55.30 | balstor | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
| 20:55.30 | Pneumatus | old.wowace.com |
| 20:55.38 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Ackis * r54 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:55.39 | Repo | Dataminer update, handles crafting now, tcg, event, etc pets as well, still some special cases to deal with. Fixed bug preventing this from running I believe. |
| 20:56.02 | dieck | ah, old. |
| 20:56.48 | balstor | Dashkal thanks that was it, since 3.0 doesn't use RegisterDB I forgot about nameing to the toc file |
| 20:57.01 | Dashkal | np, glad it works for you now |
| 20:57.02 | balstor | Now to get a profile dialog in the new options panel |
| 20:57.47 | Dashkal | now that I've never poked at |
| 20:58.17 | balstor | well i was looking at stealing dominos, just waaaaayyyyy to much code to generate a simple list |
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| 21:01.28 | dieck | sylvanaar: any idea about my registerevent-problem? |
| 21:03.43 | dieck | I'm a little lost, there seems no reasen why it shouldnt work |
| 21:08.29 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 07waypoints * r116 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:08.30 | Repo | Put horizontal speed back. Added a preference to pick true speed, horizontal speed, or both. |
| 21:11.45 | Primer | crap, I deleted a bunch of files from my project's files page |
| 21:12.10 | Primer | and forgot to get the descriptions before the new file became packaged |
| 21:13.20 | NeoTron | Primer: can you remove that horizontal speed option. that's useless! |
| 21:13.30 | Primer | it's an option |
| 21:13.39 | Primer | you can select either one, or even both! |
| 21:14.00 | Primer | love firefox history |
| 21:14.02 | NeoTron | are veyr seriuz |
| 21:14.04 | Primer | pulls everything from cache |
| 21:14.14 | Primer | got my descriptions back! |
| 21:15.51 | Primer | Is there a possible setting to make everything that goes into tags be packaged, regardless of its naming? |
| 21:16.42 | dieck | can anyone tell me a simple addon that uses AceEvent-3.0 and RegisterEvent, so that I can look why I have problem with that? |
| 21:16.54 | mitchnull | primer: that's the opposite of what most of us would like ;) |
| 21:17.18 | Primer | mitchnull: I think it's odd that, by default, any commit to trunk yields a package |
| 21:18.48 | mitchnull | you can easily disable that |
| 21:19.01 | Primer | yes, I have |
| 21:19.05 | mitchnull | so? |
| 21:19.06 | Kaelten | Ackis: ping |
| 21:19.13 | Kaelten | AckisWork:ping |
| 21:19.30 | Primer | trying to find the post with the regexes for the "these will be made into packages" criteria |
| 21:19.34 | Primer | the kb article |
| 21:19.55 | Primer | mitchnull: basically I want to flag my "release" as alpha |
| 21:20.03 | Primer | to discourage people from downloading it by default |
| 21:20.05 | NeoTron | Primer: release/stable/ version number => release. anything else as beta |
| 21:20.05 | balstor | anyone got a simple example of how to structure you options to get a sub menu ite with Ace-3.0 option code? |
| 21:20.21 | NeoTron | I don't know if you can trigger an alpha build via a tag though |
| 21:20.25 | Repo | 10lib-st: 03ddumont 04v1.0 * r45 : lib-st first release! |
| 21:20.27 | NeoTron | I think alpha => automatically on commit |
| 21:20.32 | mitchnull | I think anything not matching v?[0-9-.]+|release|stable is considered beta |
| 21:20.40 | NeoTron | right |
| 21:20.48 | Primer | What about alpha though? |
| 21:20.50 | NeoTron | you can, of course, edit the file and make it anything you want |
| 21:20.54 | NeoTron | alphas are auto-created. only. |
| 21:21.01 | Primer | but I disabled that |
| 21:21.05 | NeoTron | then no |
| 21:21.07 | Primer | bah |
| 21:21.09 | mitchnull | primer: you can call it aplha :) |
| 21:21.11 | Dashkal | Primer: you disabled alphas then |
| 21:21.19 | NeoTron | you can make a beta package and edit it |
| 21:21.23 | nevcairiel | Primer: you can tag it as anything, and then change it to Alpha on the web page |
| 21:21.24 | Primer | no, I wanted to disable the packaging of every commit |
| 21:21.29 | Primer | which I think it stupid |
| 21:21.34 | NeoTron | then read what me and nevcairiel said |
| 21:21.37 | Primer | nevcairiel: perfect. thanks |
| 21:21.44 | Primer | NeoTron: you too :) |
| 21:21.56 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Barfolomeu 04v0.6.6-alpha * r117 : Tagging as v0.6.6-alpha. |
| 21:21.59 | Primer | there |
| 21:22.22 | mitchnull | (not that anyone really cares wether it's alpha or beta :) |
| 21:22.27 | Primer | sure |
| 21:22.42 | Primer | but at least if they complain, I'll tell them "wtf, you downloaded a fucking alpha" |
| 21:22.48 | mitchnull | ;) |
| 21:22.57 | mitchnull | ah, the downloader has some option for it, right? |
| 21:22.57 | Aeyan | Anyone have suggestions on a good video DVD burning program? |
| 21:22.59 | Dashkal | mitchnull: it does matter because betas will hit curse, alphas stay on wowace |
| 21:23.01 | Aeyan | Preferable free? |
| 21:23.10 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r17 sounds/fingeroffrost.mp3: sound added |
| 21:23.25 | dieck | Aeyan: burning or editing |
| 21:23.31 | Aeyan | Burning |
| 21:23.35 | mitchnull | ImgBurn |
| 21:23.36 | dieck | Aeyan: Nero |
| 21:23.39 | mitchnull | bah |
| 21:23.50 | doom0r | imgburn |
| 21:24.10 | Aeyan | Don't think imgburn can do what I want |
| 21:24.16 | mitchnull | it can burn |
| 21:24.23 | mitchnull | what do you want then? :) |
| 21:24.26 | Aeyan | I want to build a video DVD, not just burn one from my hdd |
| 21:24.30 | dieck | Aeyan: than maybe you should tell us what your want |
| 21:24.30 | doom0r | else cddrecord |
| 21:24.45 | dieck | Aeyan: and the material you have is in MPEG2 for dvd? |
| 21:24.52 | mitchnull | aeyan: so you need authoring then? |
| 21:25.11 | leech2k | I think nero can do all that for you. (Not saying I like nero) |
| 21:25.21 | Aeyan | I'm sure Nero can, but it's not free either. |
| 21:25.30 | mitchnull | the free ones suck balls |
| 21:25.31 | leech2k | Just borrow it.... |
| 21:25.36 | dieck | I'm not sure there is "one" utility that fits your needs |
| 21:25.47 | mitchnull | been there, fought them for a while, ended up with tmgenc |
| 21:25.51 | Aeyan | No, I just had some video files that I wanted to make a playable dvd from |
| 21:25.51 | sylvanaar | dieck do you have buggrabber installed? |
| 21:25.59 | Aeyan | I can acquire Nero if I need to |
| 21:26.19 | Aeyan | Just wondered if there was some decent free utilities out there for it |
| 21:26.22 | dieck | mpeg2-encoding with memcoder from the mplayer pack, authoring with dvdfab (was that free)? then burning with dvd decryptor, imgburn may be helpful |
| 21:26.33 | dieck | sylvanaar: I have swatter, but no error is shown |
| 21:26.35 | mitchnull | aeyan: if you don't need fancy menus and stuff, then there are free options (using mencoder/ffmpeg) |
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| 21:26.50 | Aeyan | Works for me |
| 21:26.56 | doom0r | bah mitchnull |
| 21:26.57 | dieck | sylvanaar: can buggraber do more then swatter? |
| 21:26.59 | Aeyan | I'll look into it |
| 21:26.59 | doom0r | ^ |
| 21:27.17 | mitchnull | doomor: ? |
| 21:27.26 | doom0r | faster and correct |
| 21:27.34 | sylvanaar | dieck i dont know - i have only ever used buggrabber |
| 21:27.52 | leech2k | Which bug catching mod do most people use? |
| 21:27.54 | Primer | Kaelten: you know what might be a good option for the web site? "Apply this description to the -nolib too" |
| 21:27.58 | mitchnull | I need a beer, I guess |
| 21:27.59 | mitchnull | & |
| 21:28.07 | Primer | when editing the non -nolib, or vice versa |
| 21:28.20 | sylvanaar | swatter never worked for me, and made alot of spam on the chatframes |
| 21:28.55 | leech2k | hmm I am using swatter bug I hear some people talk about bugsack? or something like that |
| 21:29.16 | sylvanaar | buggrabber is the actual error catcher |
| 21:29.29 | doom0r | they're options |
| 21:29.33 | doom0r | whatever works for ya works |
| 21:29.33 | dieck | sylvanaar: I'll try buggrabber. should I also take bugsack? |
| 21:29.36 | sylvanaar | bugsack is just a nice interface to it |
| 21:29.41 | doom0r | i use swatter simply because it's in auc |
| 21:29.41 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 21:30.17 | mitchnull | what is an auc? |
| 21:30.23 | leech2k | Auctioneer |
| 21:30.26 | sylvanaar | auctioneer |
| 21:30.26 | doom0r | auctioneer |
| 21:30.28 | mitchnull | ah |
| 21:30.31 | leech2k | smiles. |
| 21:30.41 | doom0r | habbit of the commands |
| 21:30.42 | mitchnull | and it was "in" not "an". makes more sense :) |
| 21:30.50 | Primer | speaking of auc |
| 21:31.04 | Primer | anyone know how to disable that ANNOYING tab that pops out when you hover over it? |
| 21:31.07 | Groktar | pounces Primer |
| 21:31.08 | Primer | that auc implements |
| 21:31.17 | Repo | 10bayis-extended-questlog: 03angelike * r180 / (6 files in 1 directory): beql: - Tagged as 1.0.2 |
| 21:31.18 | Repo | - Fix Simple Questlog issue |
| 21:31.19 | Repo | - Fix jumping AchievementFrame |
| 21:31.21 | Repo | - Fix untracked Quest issue |
| 21:31.23 | doom0r | Primer: nsb |
| 21:31.27 | Aeyan | I use tekErr |
| 21:31.32 | leech2k | I made a special level 1 just to use auctioneer cause I don't like having it loaded. |
| 21:31.33 | Aeyan | BugGrabber is very user friendly though |
| 21:31.53 | Primer | doom0r: that being a slashcommand? |
| 21:31.58 | doom0r | the sidebar doesn't keep settings |
| 21:32.18 | Primer | so I disable that addon |
| 21:32.19 | doom0r | and i'm pretty sure it's because he's clearing a table with something that's supposed to be commented |
| 21:32.27 | doom0r | ya |
| 21:33.05 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r18 magealert.lua: Removed file/folder |
| 21:33.23 | doom0r | nsb is like norganna's sidebar or something |
| 21:33.33 | Gnarfoz | slidebar is what it's called |
| 21:33.35 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 21:33.38 | Gnarfoz | and it sucks |
| 21:33.42 | doom0r | maybe new ino |
| 21:33.43 | Gnarfoz | it's like minimap button aids |
| 21:33.44 | Gnarfoz | just worse |
| 21:33.44 | doom0r | iono* |
| 21:33.46 | Primer | well, wow.curse.com won't let me login |
| 21:33.47 | doom0r | it replaced the old one |
| 21:33.55 | Gnarfoz | yes, it's been in auc-adv for quite a while |
| 21:33.56 | Primer | it's just some crappy "join now" page |
| 21:34.04 | Gnarfoz | but then, auc-adv only officially replaced auc-classic recently |
| 21:34.13 | doom0r | i thing it's perfect for the addon, since it's inconspicous and i hardly use it |
| 21:34.20 | doom0r | just needs to save position |
| 21:34.28 | Primer | or be disableable |
| 21:34.31 | mitchnull | where should a frame's standard text go? ARTWORK? |
| 21:35.02 | Gnarfoz | doom0r: it's neat, but it should also be, like, disableable. :P |
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| 21:35.15 | suwapp | hello |
| 21:35.26 | doom0r | Gnarfoz: it is |
| 21:35.27 | Primer | the thing I dislike most about it is that it starts off expanded when you login |
| 21:35.33 | suwapp | where can i find a list of font templates (like GameFontNormal) ? |
| 21:35.36 | Primer | if it didn't do that, I might be able to live with it |
| 21:35.39 | dieck | sylvanaar: ah, ok. looks like RegisterEvent(EVENT) and function AddOnName:EVENT is now RegisterEvent(eventname, methodname) |
| 21:35.43 | doom0r | Gnarfoz: /nsb off |
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| 21:35.58 | Primer | you just said there was no such thing... |
| 21:36.14 | doom0r | me? |
| 21:36.30 | Primer | <doom0r> the sidebar doesn't keep settings <-- or that, I gues |
| 21:36.43 | Primer | s |
| 21:36.44 | doom0r | ya, the position settings keep getting cleared |
| 21:36.55 | doom0r | i think disable works though |
| 21:36.57 | doom0r | never tried |
| 21:36.58 | Primer | cool |
| 21:37.01 | Primer | will try that |
| 21:37.03 | sylvanaar | dieck yeah, i hate that, i am constantly fixing bugs because of that |
| 21:37.29 | doom0r | there's a request for no rollout on startup too Primer |
| 21:37.51 | Primer | cool |
| 21:42.37 | Gnarfoz | dodga: how would it save settings, it's an embedded lib ^^ |
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| 21:45.13 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r110 modules/PlayerNameGlobalPatterns.lua: check Name for nil not name |
| 21:45.24 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r19 magealert.lua: new file |
| 21:45.28 | Jygga | gridstatus |
| 21:45.32 | Jygga | crap ... |
| 21:46.47 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r20 magealert.lua: update |
| 21:46.54 | dieck | sylvanaar: hm, so is it now RegisterEvent('CHAT_MSG_LOOT', 'Addonname:CHAT_MSG_LOOT')? |
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| 21:47.49 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r21 magealert.toc: update |
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| 21:49.57 | mitchnull | damn. FontStrings don't have SetScript() :( |
| 21:50.20 | dieck | sylvanaar: ok, without Addonname: ... looks better now (and Buggrabber is much better than swatter) |
| 21:51.25 | dieck | has anyone a locale tutorial around? |
| 21:51.26 | dieck | local L = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"):NewLocale("CheeseSLS", "deDE", false); |
| 21:51.27 | dieck | L['starts loot poll'] = 'Startet eine Loot-Abfrage'; |
| 21:51.27 | dieck | gives an error: attempt to index local 'L' (a nil value) |
| 21:51.48 | Xinhuan | "if not L then return end" |
| 21:52.08 | Xinhuan | best way to learn is to look at existing code ;p |
| 21:52.16 | Xinhuan | of ace3 addons you already have |
| 21:53.21 | dieck | Xinhuan: ah, so L won't be initialized anymore if the language does not exist? |
| 21:53.26 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 21:53.50 | Xinhuan | there is little point in registering for german translations if the user/client isn't german |
| 21:54.03 | Xinhuan | so, it just doesn't do it |
| 21:54.15 | dieck | Xinhuan: they changed that behaviour from 2.4.3 to 3.0.2 (or the corresponding Ace3). worked well before that :) |
| 21:54.26 | Xinhuan | no it hasn't |
| 21:54.36 | Xinhuan | it has always been like this in AceLocale=3.0 for over 1.5 years |
| 21:54.48 | dieck | hm |
| 21:55.05 | Xinhuan | you might be thinking of acelocale-2.0 |
| 21:55.17 | Xinhuan | which honestly tries to do too much anyway |
| 21:55.25 | dieck | I'll have to ask our single german playing raidlead, but I think it worked |
| 21:55.44 | dieck | but as I'm playing english, it's not my concern :) |
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| 21:58.22 | mitchnull | what is the best approach to conditionally enable/disable (the same) OnUpdate()? 1) SetScript(func)/SetScript(nil) or 2) creating a subframe, SetScript() on the subframe and :Show()/Hide() that? |
| 21:58.41 | mitchnull | (this happens fairly often, on every target change) |
| 21:58.47 | Repo | 10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r56 TestAlpha.lua: Blah blah blah |
| 21:59.07 | Xinhuan | mitchnull: about the same |
| 21:59.14 | Xinhuan | so just pick one |
| 21:59.47 | mitchnull | xin: ok. I prefer option 2 :) |
| 22:00.05 | mitchnull | in that case, the subframes size doesn't really matter, right? |
| 22:00.11 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 22:00.14 | Xinhuan | don't even have to set it |
| 22:00.15 | mitchnull | it doesn't do any clipping or such, or does it? |
| 22:00.22 | mitchnull | ok |
| 22:02.27 | Repo | 10money-trail: 03Nevcairiel * r45 MoneyTrail.lua: |
| 22:02.27 | Repo | Add optional LDB plugin showing your current amount of money and the MoneyTrail Tooltip, of course! |
| 22:02.45 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: What's MoneyTrail? |
| 22:02.49 | Antiarc | @project money-trail |
| 22:02.49 | Repo | Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/projects/money-trail/. MoneyTrail. Game: WoW. Leader: Ammo. Updated: 11 days ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 22:02.51 | Groktar | http://www.guild-impulse.net/viewtopic.php?t=3323&f=23 bzzzzzzz |
| 22:03.07 | nevcairiel | A simple addon to track gold among your chars |
| 22:03.11 | nevcairiel | and per-session cash flow |
| 22:03.30 | Xinhuan | i.e moneyFu without the Fu ;p |
| 22:03.42 | nevcairiel | and without the weekly/daily/hourly cash flow |
| 22:04.30 | Xinhuan | i do find the daily cashflow useful though, to compare my AH activities, or i would have switched ;p |
| 22:04.49 | nevcairiel | before right now, it didnt provide any fubar/ldb thing |
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| 22:06.52 | Bruners | where can i find info about the different bag names? ie ContainerFrameXCloseButton |
| 22:06.57 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: indeed |
| 22:07.17 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: that's why I like the historical "per <time period>" cashflow data |
| 22:07.39 | nevcairiel | I'm too lazy to do AH shit |
| 22:07.50 | nevcairiel | somehow my gold doesnt really go down |
| 22:07.54 | Xinhuan | per day data is useful to AH players, esp since we log in and out often to alts |
| 22:07.55 | Gnarfoz | Auditor2 > moneyfu |
| 22:08.04 | Antiarc | Question: |
| 22:08.12 | Xinhuan | dont' need all of auditorFu's breakdown |
| 22:08.19 | Antiarc | Do you all think there would be value in a LibTween, which would provide animation/color fade/alpha fade/etc services? |
| 22:08.21 | Xinhuan | just need a "today" gain/loss |
| 22:08.28 | mitchnull | can I set a texture to a frame so that it grows with the frame if the frame's size changes? |
| 22:08.37 | Xinhuan | mitch0: yes |
| 22:08.42 | Repo | 10rep-watch: 03Seglberg * r40 / (5 files in 1 directory): RepWatch Clean Out |
| 22:08.46 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: what oO |
| 22:08.53 | mitchnull | SetPoint() on the edges? |
| 22:08.59 | Antiarc | Tweening is a gradual move between two values |
| 22:08.59 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: since I don't even understand who would use that, I'd say no :) |
| 22:09.02 | Xinhuan | frame.texture1 = frame:CreateTexture(nil, "BACKGROUND") |
| 22:09.08 | Xinhuan | frame.texture1:SetAllPoints() |
| 22:09.14 | Groktar | my new hard drive just came! |
| 22:09.16 | Antiarc | Well, say you want to fade something's color from yellow to red over 3 seconds |
| 22:09.40 | Antiarc | Set a tween color of 1, 1, 0 at 0, a color of 1, 0, 0 at 1, and then execute a tween over 3 seconds |
| 22:09.43 | Xinhuan | just setting 2 opposite corner points is enough though |
| 22:10.11 | mitchnull | xin: superb, SetAllPoints() is less typing ;) |
| 22:10.22 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: well ok, but ;\ what for! :> |
| 22:10.27 | Repo | 10rep-watch: 03Seglberg * r41 / (4 files in 1 directory): RepWatch 2.1.14b Upload |
| 22:10.35 | Antiarc | For anything that wants to do any kind of smooth transitions |
| 22:10.54 | Antiarc | Color, scale, opacity, position, rotation, etc etc |
| 22:11.10 | NeoTron | Antiarc: LibTween - complete with preadolescence kids or what |
| 22:11.17 | Antiarc | ~dict tween |
| 22:11.33 | Antiarc | Abbreviation for "In-between". In animation, tweens are the frames that depict a character's or objects' motion between key frames. |
| 22:11.39 | Xinhuan | Antiarc: i think individual addons should provide their own mechanism |
| 22:11.44 | Xinhuan | i dont' think a lib is suitable |
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| 22:11.58 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: people should have said that sentence more often in the past, tbh. |
| 22:12.08 | Antiarc | I dunno. I think if a lib did it well, it could be quite valuable |
| 22:12.08 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I admit I did not know that... |
| 22:12.08 | nevcairiel | we did |
| 22:12.11 | nevcairiel | people dont listen |
| 22:12.12 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 22:12.21 | NeoTron | Antiarc: maybe because I soon will have kids that are in the "tween" age range .. |
| 22:12.22 | Antiarc | Solid tweening can be exhaustive to implement |
| 22:13.28 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt know any addon right now that would use it |
| 22:13.28 | Antiarc | I'd use the hell out of it in SexyMap |
| 22:13.28 | Antiarc | And something like Omen could use it for bar animation |
| 22:13.28 | Antiarc | The trick is just implementing it well |
| 22:13.29 | NeoTron | seems hard to implement in a general way |
| 22:13.29 | Xinhuan | i think the existing 15 line code in omen is sufficient |
| 22:13.29 | nevcairiel | you need fast bar updates, not animation =P |
| 22:13.30 | Xinhuan | why use a library |
| 22:13.42 | Xinhuan | that has 15x more code |
| 22:13.46 | nevcairiel | If you implement it to general, its too big |
| 22:13.55 | nevcairiel | if you implement it too specific, its not usable |
| 22:13.57 | Antiarc | Because it would be smart about partial transitions and the like |
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| 22:14.07 | Xinhuan | another example, omen's flash frame that flashes the screen when you are over threat |
| 22:14.12 | Xinhuan | that's a custom tweening one ;p |
| 22:14.18 | Antiarc | There you go |
| 22:14.19 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: uh doesnt blizz provide a flash? |
| 22:14.25 | Antiarc | UIFlashFrame is basically a basic alpha tween |
| 22:14.26 | Xinhuan | it uses a different color nevcairiel |
| 22:14.27 | Antiarc | (but it sucks) |
| 22:14.43 | Xinhuan | and the flash is at a different fade-in/fade-out interval |
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| 22:14.57 | Xinhuan | the fadein is 0.4 seconds, but fadeout is 0.8 seconds i think |
| 22:15.06 | Xinhuan | with a 0.2 seconds null period, and repeats |
| 22:15.09 | nevcairiel | who cares? |
| 22:15.10 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:15.30 | Xinhuan | my point was, its custom, and doesn't use blizz's one ;p |
| 22:15.38 | Groktar | pounces it |
| 22:15.47 | Antiarc | It's not hard to implement |
| 22:15.54 | Antiarc | It's just tedious to do it over and over |
| 22:16.01 | nevcairiel | c/p |
| 22:16.05 | Antiarc | Seems like it's something that would be a good candidate for packaging up |
| 22:16.13 | nevcairiel | most of those implementations are very specific to a special task |
| 22:16.16 | nevcairiel | if you generalize those |
| 22:16.20 | nevcairiel | you get a big-ass lib |
| 22:16.25 | nevcairiel | too big that i would ever consider using it |
| 22:17.44 | nevcairiel | actually, Xinhuan, you can pass all those vars to the blizz code |
| 22:17.57 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel: omen2 was using the blizzard one |
| 22:18.04 | nevcairiel | function UIFrameFlash(frame, fadeInTime, fadeOutTime, flashDuration, showWhenDone, flashInHoldTime, flashOutHoldTime) |
| 22:18.06 | Xinhuan | but by passing in your own values |
| 22:18.09 | Xinhuan | it caused taint |
| 22:18.12 | Xinhuan | in critical places |
| 22:18.19 | Xinhuan | so i wrote my own to replace it |
| 22:18.25 | Xinhuan | there is a forum thread on this somewhere |
| 22:18.35 | Xinhuan | where 3 addons were causing taint due to using UIFrameFlash |
| 22:18.40 | Xinhuan | omen2 was one of them |
| 22:18.46 | Xinhuan | grid-something was another |
| 22:19.00 | nevcairiel | you should rather bitch at blizz to fix the taint then work around it =p |
| 22:19.02 | Xinhuan | bigwigs was the 3rd i think |
| 22:19.10 | Shefki | Yup you can't use UIFrameFlash because the voice chat UI uses it and it taints it and breaks the voice chat ui. |
| 22:19.17 | Shefki | nevcairiel: We did. |
| 22:19.17 | Repo | 10rep-watch: 03Seglberg 04Release v. 2.1.14b * r42 : Tagging as Release v. 2.1.14b |
| 22:19.20 | odt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.21 | nevcairiel | Voice Chat is broken anyway |
| 22:19.26 | nevcairiel | odt: relog |
| 22:19.39 | Antiarc | I may just do it to see how big it would be >_> |
| 22:19.39 | odt | no script goodness for that? |
| 22:19.40 | NivFreak | people use voice chat? |
| 22:19.40 | KriLL3 | odt: either reset the filters or delete the chat-cache.txt |
| 22:19.42 | Shefki | nevcairiel: So what you think we should leave stuff broken while it takes Blizzard 2 years to fix it? |
| 22:19.51 | doom0r | NivFreak: yes, ventrilo is used |
| 22:19.55 | nevcairiel | Shefki: unless it bothers me, yeah :) |
| 22:19.57 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: yeah, skype/vent/ts |
| 22:20.11 | Xinhuan | Shefki: tekkub is one such person |
| 22:20.17 | Xinhuan | he has an addon that causes raid panel taint |
| 22:20.19 | NivFreak | I mean the in game voice chat |
| 22:20.19 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:20.30 | nevcairiel | NivFreak: i dont think so, the quality is so crap |
| 22:20.34 | Xinhuan | and it means opening the raid panel in combat, you will not see anything |
| 22:20.45 | Xinhuan | but because he doesn't raid, he doesn't care |
| 22:20.46 | NivFreak | I'd hope that running a raiding guild, I would know what ventrilo is |
| 22:20.47 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:20.47 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: it sounds like a tincan + string phone with reception issues |
| 22:20.50 | Shefki | Incidentally UIFrameFlash is retarded in implementation. |
| 22:20.58 | Shefki | It's far more efficient to roll your own that does just what you need. |
| 22:21.09 | Tekkub | Xinhuan fails at updating |
| 22:21.21 | Xinhuan | updated it 1 month ago Tekkub |
| 22:21.23 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: doesnt matter anymore anyway, cant move players in combat anymore :p |
| 22:21.30 | Fisker- | poops |
| 22:21.39 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: since when? |
| 22:21.44 | nevcairiel | 3.0 |
| 22:21.46 | NivFreak | wtf |
| 22:21.48 | Xinhuan | i just do git pull nowadays, and merge it locally |
| 22:21.48 | NivFreak | seriously? |
| 22:22.09 | nevcairiel | NivFreak: yeah, but what would you need it for anyway. heroism is raid wide now |
| 22:22.10 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 22:22.21 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: mana tide, tremor totems, grounding totems |
| 22:22.22 | NivFreak | VE |
| 22:22.25 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/teknicolor/commit/9a18f6b3002a19843c7c619d4fb03e88c95af61d |
| 22:22.25 | NivFreak | (lol) |
| 22:22.40 | NivFreak | protector of the pack for that matter |
| 22:22.47 | NivFreak | if you don't have a full group for your bear :) |
| 22:22.54 | KriLL3 | that's being fixed |
| 22:22.56 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/teknicolor/commit/9a41342ac941508480da9b8047e0c34365fa0f63 |
| 22:22.58 | nevcairiel | You should make sure to have that before the pull, anyway |
| 22:23.03 | Dashkal | I actually managed to find settings that make the voice chat usable... Master volume at top, sounds and music at 1/4, voice chat max voice chat volume, and mute on sound... oh yeah and pump up your speakers so if any sounds happens from outside the game your ears blow... |
| 22:23.03 | Tekkub | as I said, Xinhuan fails at updating |
| 22:23.03 | Xinhuan | aha, you've finally changed it to use a securehook |
| 22:23.16 | nevcairiel | I never moved players during raid except for heroism |
| 22:23.26 | Xinhuan | the date is Oct 19 |
| 22:23.27 | NivFreak | we did for VT |
| 22:23.30 | Xinhuan | which is less than 1 month ago Tekkub :) |
| 22:23.31 | NivFreak | and mana tide rotations |
| 22:23.39 | Tekkub | and you failed to update |
| 22:23.48 | Tekkub | because the last time you updated was a month ago |
| 22:23.50 | Xinhuan | your addons usually don't need to be updated ;p |
| 22:23.56 | nevcairiel | the group needing that much mana failed the game |
| 22:23.57 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 22:23.58 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:23.58 | Xinhuan | isn't that your philosophy |
| 22:23.59 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:24.19 | Tekkub | my "philosopy" is that I don't push out TOC-only updates |
| 22:24.23 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: early on for council, we'd have some healers go OOM |
| 22:24.29 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 22:24.34 | nevcairiel | really? |
| 22:24.37 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 22:24.51 | NivFreak | raid healing can be intense when people fail |
| 22:24.52 | NivFreak | lol |
| 22:24.56 | NivFreak | and the fight takes like 15 mins |
| 22:24.59 | NivFreak | or rather |
| 22:25.00 | NivFreak | did at first |
| 22:25.28 | nevcairiel | You should fix that not by giving the healers more mana |
| 22:25.35 | Xinhuan | so, i'm getting a lot of random in game tells nowadays, "hey how have you been" |
| 22:25.47 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: spambots |
| 22:25.54 | Xinhuan | so i say "sleepy" as a reply |
| 22:25.59 | Xinhuan | and that's the end of the conversation |
| 22:26.16 | nevcairiel | i dont respond to such at all |
| 22:26.28 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.29 | mitchnull | damn, I broke it :( |
| 22:26.34 | Xinhuan | ~lart AckisWork |
| 22:26.34 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets AckisWork feel it |
| 22:26.35 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: hmm you can't move players in the raid at all anymore? |
| 22:26.44 | AckisWork | :) |
| 22:26.44 | chiper | did anybody look into how that red border effect worked during the zombie plague? or was that just an extension of UIScreenFlash? |
| 22:26.44 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: not in combat, no |
| 22:26.45 | KriLL3 | in combat |
| 22:26.46 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: WHEEE |
| 22:26.54 | NeoTron | best. change. ever. |
| 22:26.54 | Tekkub | chiper, it's not a frame |
| 22:27.00 | nevcairiel | it so much relaxed my raid lead job during fights |
| 22:27.02 | chiper | erm, UIFrameFlash |
| 22:27.02 | Tekkub | we can't do anything to it |
| 22:27.05 | nevcairiel | it was teh suck opening the panel |
| 22:27.10 | nevcairiel | and moving people |
| 22:27.14 | chiper | Tekkub: ah, pity, it was kinda cool |
| 22:27.16 | NeoTron | same here |
| 22:27.16 | Xinhuan | chiper: i believe that is the 3d-engine itself |
| 22:27.23 | NeoTron | I had to do it a lot at times |
| 22:27.32 | Xinhuan | using some pixel filter of some sort |
| 22:27.35 | Tekkub | bitch a little, it should at least be anchored to WOrldFrame and not UIParent |
| 22:27.38 | chiper | tho I thought it odd that the effect reset every time you tabbed out |
| 22:27.41 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: can someone out of combat move someone in combat? |
| 22:27.44 | nevcairiel | its the same effect as the "fog" in certain Northrend reas |
| 22:27.47 | Tekkub | but I can't fix it in an addon, and I already bitched once |
| 22:27.51 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: shrug, no idea =P |
| 22:27.54 | Tekkub | yes nevcairiel |
| 22:28.03 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: that's what we usually did with people on standby :P |
| 22:28.26 | nevcairiel | Having more then 25 people in the raid annoys me |
| 22:28.28 | nevcairiel | so i kick them |
| 22:28.28 | chiper | whats this about moving raid people in combat? did this change in 3.02? |
| 22:29.09 | AckisWork | lol |
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| 22:29.36 | KriLL3 | scroll up |
| 22:30.07 | Xinhuan | so, you'll see people dying on purpose to move ppl now, right? |
| 22:30.22 | nevcairiel | there is no good reason to move people |
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| 22:30.41 | nevcairiel | for what? mana tide? oh comeone |
| 22:30.45 | nevcairiel | -e |
| 22:31.08 | nevcairiel | maybe you cannot move players that _are_ in combat either, who knows |
| 22:31.14 | Xinhuan | is the moonkin aura raidwide now? |
| 22:31.20 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:31.22 | nevcairiel | all auras are |
| 22:31.31 | nevcairiel | there is only a handful of effects that are party |
| 22:31.37 | nevcairiel | and blizz wants to get rid of them too |
| 22:31.52 | Stanzilla | like vampiric embrace |
| 22:32.19 | Xinhuan | they can't make it raidw-die without nerfing that one |
| 22:32.24 | NivFreak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXhElaGCZVU |
| 22:32.27 | NivFreak | I want to eat that cow |
| 22:32.28 | Xinhuan | and nerfing that one would make it useless for 5-man-party |
| 22:32.42 | nevcairiel | imho its already useless |
| 22:32.46 | nevcairiel | but thats just me |
| 22:32.55 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid and outheal any instance anyway |
| 22:33.03 | Xinhuan | oh its handy sometimes |
| 22:33.10 | nevcairiel | might be nice for pallys that lack good group healing |
| 22:33.13 | Xinhuan | consider Lurker below :) |
| 22:33.22 | Xinhuan | with a spriest, you can stay underwater indefinitely |
| 22:33.23 | nevcairiel | I dont see how its useful there |
| 22:33.32 | Xinhuan | as the VE heal outheals the 500 tick in water |
| 22:33.34 | Stanzilla | it was changed this patch to 15% self and 3% party heal |
| 22:33.43 | Fisker- | i want the nehalem nevcairiel :3 |
| 22:34.08 | nevcairiel | staying in the water is for losers, i wouldnt run such a strat anyway |
| 22:34.18 | nevcairiel | l2move |
| 22:34.22 | nevcairiel | or l2jump |
| 22:34.24 | Xinhuan | it results in higher dps nev |
| 22:34.26 | nevcairiel | whatever works for you |
| 22:34.37 | Xinhuan | because you don't have to move |
| 22:34.41 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 22:34.43 | nevcairiel | lurker is fuck easy |
| 22:34.47 | nevcairiel | always was |
| 22:34.51 | Xinhuan | not all guilds think so ;p |
| 22:34.52 | Fisker- | you can't actually outrun it unless you're pretty much on the other side |
| 22:34.58 | NivFreak | lurker is the best retard check ever |
| 22:35.03 | NivFreak | you fail == thrown across the zone |
| 22:35.04 | NivFreak | haha |
| 22:35.05 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r79 / (2 files in 1 directory): Nauticus: remove CHAT_MSG_ADDON distributions |
| 22:35.07 | nevcairiel | you can, just move on the inner ring |
| 22:35.14 | Xinhuan | i've seen some guilds force everyone to have UW breathing |
| 22:35.15 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 22:35.27 | chiper | NivFreak: eh, we've had a few cases where people got in the water fine and still got hit |
| 22:35.27 | nevcairiel | those guilds fail by design |
| 22:35.29 | Xinhuan | then just aoe heal once in a while with everyone underwater lolol |
| 22:35.35 | Fisker- | nah |
| 22:35.38 | NivFreak | chiper: zomg hit X |
| 22:35.43 | Xinhuan | i even know this guild, who can't kill aran properly |
| 22:35.46 | Xinhuan | you know how they do it? |
| 22:35.46 | nevcairiel | they are like Fisker- |
| 22:35.48 | nevcairiel | made to fail |
| 22:35.53 | Fisker- | no u |
| 22:35.55 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 22:35.56 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give cladhaire a big kiss on the lips |
| 22:35.59 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 22:36.00 | Xinhuan | they pull aran with everyone outside aran's room (with a pet) |
| 22:36.10 | Fisker- | sounds like fun |
| 22:36.11 | Xinhuan | so every 15 seconds, aran will teleport out of the room to just outside the door |
| 22:36.14 | nevcairiel | I've heard so many exploit strats |
| 22:36.15 | doom0r | Xinhuan: did you say guild? |
| 22:36.19 | Xinhuan | ppl can DPS him about 4 seconds |
| 22:36.23 | Xinhuan | then he runs back in thru the door |
| 22:36.25 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: ... |
| 22:36.27 | Xinhuan | repeat for 20 minutes until he dies |
| 22:36.36 | doom0r | moron pugs kill him |
| 22:36.41 | Xinhuan | cos "ppl do not know not to move" |
| 22:36.43 | NivFreak | gdisband |
| 22:36.45 | nevcairiel | I would so laugh at people that try that |
| 22:36.48 | Xinhuan | so that is this guild lol |
| 22:36.51 | nevcairiel | and put them on ignore or something |
| 22:36.54 | chiper | we also had a case where one of our best paladins forgot to come up for air on lurker. he just kept healing himself through the drowning damage. "Dude, what is it that's ticking for 3000?" |
| 22:36.55 | NivFreak | gdisband |
| 22:37.02 | chiper | we still laugh at him for that one |
| 22:37.06 | Xinhuan | my friend was /facepalming his way thru that kara |
| 22:37.13 | Xinhuan | and he decided to afk during aran |
| 22:37.16 | nevcairiel | I would so quit that raid |
| 22:37.25 | Fisker- | omg Xinhuan he's part of the problem! |
| 22:37.27 | nevcairiel | probably before attumen |
| 22:37.33 | NivFreak | so we did a full BT clear with some alts in about 2 hours wednesday |
| 22:37.34 | Fisker- | If he had been there he might've been killed in 19 minutes |
| 22:37.36 | nevcairiel | i cant stand morons |
| 22:37.36 | NivFreak | then decided to go to gruul |
| 22:37.40 | NivFreak | and after no deaths in BT |
| 22:37.44 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:37.44 | NivFreak | half the raid died to the first shatter |
| 22:37.54 | NivFreak | I laughed so fucking hard |
| 22:38.02 | NivFreak | he still died in 3 growths |
| 22:38.23 | Xinhuan | i wonder how difficult that "clear naxx with 0 deaths during all boss fights" achiebvemtnt is |
| 22:38.29 | NivFreak | hard |
| 22:38.36 | NivFreak | you have to leave the morons out |
| 22:38.41 | NivFreak | and man, there are a lot of morons |
| 22:38.53 | nevcairiel | in 10 man, probably doable |
| 22:38.54 | nevcairiel | in 25 |
| 22:38.57 | nevcairiel | i dont see it |
| 22:38.59 | nevcairiel | yet |
| 22:39.07 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh * r56 GuildManagementTools (3 files in 2 directories): mapped global functions locally |
| 22:39.14 | NivFreak | just don't bring priests |
| 22:39.14 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 22:39.24 | NivFreak | sadly, you have to for 25 |
| 22:39.25 | nevcairiel | So its not just us where they die all the time? |
| 22:39.28 | nevcairiel | god |
| 22:39.37 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 22:39.38 | NivFreak | angel form ftw |
| 22:39.46 | chiper | NivFreak: you just reminded me of something my fiance said to me the other day. |
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| 22:39.55 | Bruners | priests always had highest death ratio when i raided |
| 22:40.06 | NivFreak | they even did in classic |
| 22:40.15 | NivFreak | the new fade helps a lot if you aren't retarded |
| 22:40.21 | chiper | She turns to me during a raid and says "I now understand why so few raiding guilds have women in them. They're all terrible players." |
| 22:40.28 | NivFreak | chiper: hahaha |
| 22:40.36 | NivFreak | I just cut our 2 women |
| 22:40.40 | NivFreak | both priests |
| 22:41.01 | Bruners | best horde raiding guild on my old server got a female GM |
| 22:41.04 | NivFreak | I hate to stereotype |
| 22:41.13 | NivFreak | but the majority are just bad |
| 22:41.18 | NivFreak | they just don't have the right mentality |
| 22:41.33 | chiper | you'd get alone well with her, mark. she rages so hard when people say/ask/do stupid things |
| 22:41.38 | chiper | *along |
| 22:41.40 | nevcairiel | we have one woman left |
| 22:41.45 | nevcairiel | but she is good |
| 22:41.47 | NivFreak | well |
| 22:41.51 | NivFreak | I recruited a new women |
| 22:41.57 | NivFreak | but she's been through all of sunwell |
| 22:42.03 | nevcairiel | best rogue i ever knew was a woman too |
| 22:42.06 | NivFreak | pre-nerfs |
| 22:42.11 | nevcairiel | and best mage, too |
| 22:42.11 | NivFreak | so I hope she can play alright |
| 22:42.14 | nevcairiel | but thats about it |
| 22:42.14 | NivFreak | :) |
| 22:42.16 | nevcairiel | both quit, sadly |
| 22:42.25 | Xinhuan | you make them sound like commodities hehe |
| 22:42.29 | Xinhuan | "we have one woman left" |
| 22:42.32 | Bruners | we also had a girl that was crap but also my gm was in love with her :P |
| 22:42.34 | NivFreak | in wow, they are |
| 22:42.35 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:42.38 | NivFreak | in raiding, even more |
| 22:42.44 | NivFreak | in hardcore raiding.. yea |
| 22:42.45 | NivFreak | even more |
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| 22:42.47 | chiper | Xinhuan: the token female is a given |
| 22:42.58 | Xinhuan | there are at least 8 female raiders in my guild lol |
| 22:43.00 | Xinhuan | surprise |
| 22:43.00 | nevcairiel | in successful/end-game raiding, anyway |
| 22:43.07 | Primer | GetUnitSpeed() returns 433%,30y/s on a flight path |
| 22:43.11 | Xinhuan | we reached muru pre 3.0.2 |
| 22:43.20 | Primer | yet, my horizontal distance calculation shows values above that |
| 22:43.37 | Primer | err, Arrowmaster's, that is |
| 22:43.38 | NivFreak | the part that bothers me, is that basically every female I recruit, trys to play the "Oh look I'm a girl, treat me special" card |
| 22:43.39 | chiper | I know several good female players, but they are a minority. there's far far far too many women playing the game who don't know the damnest thing about what they're doing |
| 22:43.44 | NivFreak | I'm married and have a kid, I don't give a fuck |
| 22:43.44 | chiper | "I spam this button" |
| 22:43.46 | NivFreak | show up and do your job |
| 22:43.49 | NivFreak | and stfu |
| 22:44.08 | mitchnull | xin: it seems I do need to set some non-zero size for the subframe, otherwise the text inside it won't get rendered |
| 22:44.15 | NivFreak | so clearly our expectations are out of line |
| 22:44.24 | Torhal | chiper, there was this chick in my old guild who would constantly AFK during instances, had no idea how to play her toon. |
| 22:44.25 | NivFreak | and I end up booting them |
| 22:44.30 | Nirek | hmm Interface\FrameXML\SecureHandlers.lua:511: Cannot use SecureHandlers API during combat: and no addon pointers in the trace, ugh |
| 22:44.37 | Torhal | I bet she's still wearing greens and using +Agi gear (she's a warlock) |
| 22:44.40 | Xinhuan | mitchnull?? |
| 22:44.50 | chiper | hah |
| 22:44.55 | Xinhuan | a size is only needed for display, for onupdates it isn't |
| 22:45.08 | mitchnull | yeah, I have a FontString in it ;) |
| 22:45.35 | Nirek | any idea what could be causing that? or do I get to play disable the addon? :p |
| 22:45.37 | Xinhuan | a frame must have both a size and a setpoint to be displayed |
| 22:45.39 | chiper | for a brief time we had a mage in the guild who was the wife of one of our raiders. she wore all healing gear "because it looked pretty". this is back around 2.2 |
| 22:45.41 | mitchnull | first I wanted to hook OnUpdate on the fontsring, but that didn't work, so the "container" frame (or subframe from the other pov) was born |
| 22:45.52 | chiper | needless to say, she didnt raid with us |
| 22:46.10 | mitchnull | xin: alrighty. then a SetAllPoints() would be easiest in this case as well, right? |
| 22:46.12 | Arrowmaster | best female raider i know plays a druid (always resto), and when her husband and his friend transfered their mage and spriest to a different server seeking more world pvp, she stayed behind to raid |
| 22:46.21 | Antiarc | Our raid leader is female |
| 22:46.54 | asmodai | my GM is a female too |
| 22:46.58 | Fisker- | Btw |
| 22:46.59 | asmodai | quite a lot of females in my guild |
| 22:47.12 | Fisker- | A female in our guild wanted us to nuke kalecgos |
| 22:47.30 | Fisker- | Result: Dragonform was killed when the demonform was at ~2% |
| 22:47.31 | Fisker- | :D |
| 22:47.43 | chiper | we have a lot of women in my guild. but like I said, and some of them are really good at what they do. but they're ONLY good at what they do |
| 22:47.45 | nevcairiel | whats the problem with that? |
| 22:47.47 | Arrowmaster | i dont see a problem with that |
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| 22:47.56 | Arrowmaster | unless nobody was in the demon realm at the time |
| 22:48.06 | chiper | we have an awesome resto druid. but healing is all she can do |
| 22:48.22 | chiper | and she cant even do that without healbot |
| 22:48.24 | Fisker- | It was my understanding that the demonform had to be on 1% first |
| 22:48.31 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: nah |
| 22:48.32 | Fisker- | In any case he litterally got killed |
| 22:48.34 | Fisker- | i.e. despawned |
| 22:48.36 | Fisker- | he didn't get banished |
| 22:48.45 | nevcairiel | sounds like the npc died |
| 22:48.46 | Arrowmaster | did human kalec die? |
| 22:48.55 | Arrowmaster | sounds like it |
| 22:48.56 | Fisker- | Seems odd of a coincidence |
| 22:49.02 | Fisker- | But i guess it's possible |
| 22:49.10 | NivFreak | Fisker-: you can kill them in any order, they just both enrage at 10% |
| 22:49.16 | nevcairiel | only reason he despawns really |
| 22:49.18 | NivFreak | and if no one is inside, you lose |
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| 22:49.32 | Fisker- | must be humanform that died then :( |
| 22:49.36 | Fisker- | Anyways |
| 22:49.38 | nevcairiel | you usually aim for demon killed first |
| 22:49.46 | nevcairiel | just to be safe |
| 22:49.48 | Fisker- | same person asked for dispelling on arcane buffet as well :D |
| 22:49.52 | NivFreak | it's funny, the human form can almost tank the whole fight now |
| 22:49.58 | NivFreak | if you push enough dps in |
| 22:50.07 | Arrowmaster | used to have a couple in guild, dps warrior and healing priest, not only did they both do great raiding, but they were an unstopable 2v2 team |
| 22:50.08 | Fisker- | It's funny actually |
| 22:50.09 | chiper | ... she wanted someone to dispel a buff? |
| 22:50.24 | Fisker- | Some guy left our guild because he believed it was "crappy" that we weren't breaking SWP |
| 22:50.28 | chiper | that's just poor UI comprehension |
| 22:50.34 | Fisker- | Prior to the patch we had 2 or 3 kills on illidan |
| 22:50.39 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 22:50.53 | Fisker- | You only just got a shot at kalecgos |
| 22:50.54 | NivFreak | We taked kalegcos and then didn't bother past that |
| 22:50.55 | Fisker- | No chance at brut |
| 22:51.03 | NivFreak | it's not really motivating to kill them now that they are so fucking nerfed |
| 22:51.12 | NivFreak | brut is a joke now |
| 22:51.15 | NivFreak | easier than kalecgos |
| 22:51.19 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 22:51.25 | Fisker- | Brut was just gear |
| 22:51.27 | NivFreak | just despawn kalecgos and go get free loot |
| 22:51.42 | NivFreak | any group clearing BT can kill him |
| 22:51.43 | NivFreak | I'm sure of it |
| 22:51.46 | nevcairiel | i thought they made that impossible |
| 22:51.48 | NivFreak | we did it in a pug the other day |
| 22:51.54 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: heh, not sure actually |
| 22:52.06 | NivFreak | we pugged kalecgos and brute |
| 22:52.13 | NivFreak | they really aren't hard at all now |
| 22:52.21 | nevcairiel | whole sunwell is such a joke |
| 22:52.22 | NivFreak | felmyst I'm not sure you want to pug though |
| 22:52.24 | nevcairiel | except KJ maybe |
| 22:52.39 | NivFreak | KJ is a joke if you were killing brute pre-nerf I'd imagine |
| 22:52.42 | Arrowmaster | a guild on my realm got their first brut kill post 3.0 then called their raid because felmyst was 'impossible' without AR, at that very same time we were clearing to muru for the first time post patch and 1 shotted him |
| 22:52.51 | Antiarc | KJ's not hard at all anymore |
| 22:53.04 | nevcairiel | not hard, but not a joke either |
| 22:53.05 | Arrowmaster | and theres all kinds of drama on our realm forums now that they killed KJ |
| 22:53.05 | Antiarc | I'd almost say Felmyst is the hardest boss in the zone now, because you still have to execute well |
| 22:53.12 | nevcairiel | you still need some organization and concentration |
| 22:53.16 | Antiarc | Terribads won't mass dispel or move out of the mist |
| 22:53.19 | NivFreak | it sounds like most of the bonafide sunwell guild were killing KJ before a darkness post-nerf |
| 22:53.44 | Xinhuan | and you still have ppl d/cing on those breaths ;p |
| 22:53.55 | nevcairiel | you do? |
| 22:53.56 | nevcairiel | we dont |
| 22:53.57 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:53.57 | Arrowmaster | before darkness? thats possible? |
| 22:53.59 | Xinhuan | yeah we do |
| 22:54.16 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: so I hear |
| 22:54.19 | Arrowmaster | we have a warlock that always d/c's during felmyst |
| 22:54.19 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: if you run alot of dps to get to the phase changes .. i suppose |
| 22:54.23 | Arrowmaster | but hes in egypt |
| 22:54.39 | Antiarc | We've been killing KJ pre-darkness |
| 22:54.54 | Nenue- | on our last KJ kill |
| 22:54.56 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 22:55.03 | nevcairiel | we never ran KJ with a perfect setup |
| 22:55.06 | Nenue- | he was being pushed into the next add-phase before he could cast darkness |
| 22:55.08 | nevcairiel | because well, it didnt matter =P |
| 22:55.14 | Repo | 10range-display: 03mitch0 * r196 RangeDisplay.lua: |
| 22:55.14 | Repo | place rangeFrameText in a subframe so that the main frame can be visible always (for the backdrop thing) |
| 22:55.17 | Arrowmaster | he fucking spams us with darkness after like 10$ |
| 22:55.21 | Arrowmaster | 10% |
| 22:55.37 | Nenue- | so yeah, a number of high-end raids are killing him without ever having to shield |
| 22:55.42 | Xinhuan | yeah but you have like 2-3 dragons up at that time |
| 22:55.49 | nevcairiel | you can have 4 :p |
| 22:55.57 | Xinhuan | we formed the "booby shield" |
| 22:56.01 | Xinhuan | because that's what it looked like |
| 22:56.25 | Xinhuan | "Hide in the boobs quick!" |
| 22:56.26 | Arrowmaster | how much raid dps does that take to kill him without any darkness |
| 22:56.44 | nevcairiel | alot |
| 22:57.01 | nevcairiel | we could've probably done it if we had done KJ pre-nerf |
| 22:57.09 | nevcairiel | but we only had like 4 kills now |
| 22:57.22 | nevcairiel | so some people are still a bit weird |
| 22:58.08 | sb | nevcairiel: mhh.. are you in my raid? :P |
| 22:58.14 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:58.33 | nevcairiel | i use my name ingame too, so you would know :P |
| 22:58.37 | sb | ;) |
| 22:59.26 | Arrowmaster | im still questioning how thats possible with how often he uses darkness at low % while everybody is dodging meteors |
| 22:59.47 | nevcairiel | we got to 5% before darkness last kill |
| 22:59.49 | Arrowmaster | and damn my mirc just lagged up good |
| 22:59.53 | nevcairiel | so with a better optimized setup |
| 22:59.56 | nevcairiel | probably doable |
| 23:00.24 | Arrowmaster | turns out theres a major netsplit on another network |
| 23:00.57 | NivFreak | what was the TBC collector's edition pet? |
| 23:01.02 | Xinhuan | netherwhelp |
| 23:01.08 | NivFreak | oh right |
| 23:01.09 | NivFreak | it was lame |
| 23:01.16 | NivFreak | I wish I had a classic CE |
| 23:01.43 | Xinhuan | try ebay |
| 23:01.44 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 23:01.50 | NivFreak | I'm not paying $1000 |
| 23:01.51 | NivFreak | lol |
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| 23:02.20 | nevcairiel | Meh screw CE |
| 23:02.40 | nevcairiel | people are just buying it to ebay it later and screwing the real players |
| 23:02.41 | Arrowmaster | theres a classic CE on amazon for like $300 |
| 23:02.46 | Antiarc | http://i35.tinypic.com/2up2pt5.jpg |
| 23:03.12 | Xinhuan | 300 sounds cheap |
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| 23:03.13 | Arrowmaster | i finally got a CE preordered from amazon today |
| 23:03.16 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: oh no you didn't. |
| 23:03.21 | Antiarc | Oh yes I did |
| 23:03.34 | Gnarfoz | fuck you, now I have to switch to SexyMap after all |
| 23:03.35 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:03.47 | Xinhuan | i see Antiarc is busy copying GatherHud concepts ;p |
| 23:03.56 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: amazon had them up for like an hour here, and some suck ass community page directly posted the link, so even people having it on email announce didnt get a chance |
| 23:03.59 | Xinhuan | he's got rotating compass points now! |
| 23:04.00 | Gnarfoz | only this succeeds where GatherHud can only fail |
| 23:04.14 | Antiarc | I wasn't really copying that so much as copying the stock minimap >_> |
| 23:04.16 | Gnarfoz | i.e. minimap blips :) |
| 23:04.17 | Xinhuan | if you looked, GatherHud was a "proof of concept" hehe |
| 23:04.21 | Dashkal | Antiarc: ok, that is pretty damn cool |
| 23:04.23 | Xinhuan | its not meant to be usable lol |
| 23:04.29 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: are you US or EU? |
| 23:04.33 | nevcairiel | EU |
| 23:04.37 | NivFreak | can't help you then |
| 23:04.37 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 23:04.54 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: on wednesday i heasitated to order it because my mom has it on email annouce and was told it was up for a few hours so i thought she got one and ordered it, i decided to order anyway like 30 minutes later and couldnt |
| 23:04.54 | Xinhuan | NivFreak you have extra CEs? :) |
| 23:04.58 | NivFreak | haha |
| 23:04.59 | NivFreak | not per say |
| 23:05.06 | Arrowmaster | she never got the email annouce and i was pissed |
| 23:05.07 | NivFreak | but I do have 4 copies coming |
| 23:05.30 | Arrowmaster | but she randomly checked today and it was up again and ordered it right away |
| 23:05.33 | nevcairiel | we even had a second round of amazon offerings |
| 23:05.51 | nevcairiel | with a hidden link only mailed to people on email announce |
| 23:05.57 | nevcairiel | but guess where it was posted again <.< |
| 23:06.11 | Repo | 10sexymap: 03Antiarc 07master * d0730e5 HudMap.lua: [+1 commit] Sexy up the hudmap a bit |
| 23:06.14 | Stanzilla | buffed? :P |
| 23:06.23 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: btw, a used CE is probably not going to have the code :) |
| 23:06.41 | nevcairiel | amazon already has a CE of wrath for like 200 euro |
| 23:06.43 | FroMaster | +Antiarc: How do you enable the hudmap? |
| 23:06.54 | Antiarc | Check the HudMap menu under SexyMap's options |
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| 23:06.58 | Antiarc | There's an enable checkbox and a keybinding |
| 23:07.09 | Antiarc | It's mutually exclusive with the normal minimap, so it has to turn off the normal minimap to work |
| 23:07.20 | Antiarc | Which is why it's not more obvious |
| 23:07.24 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, i've got some ideas for possibly underlaying the minimap textures below it |
| 23:07.26 | Arrowmaster | they had a ce for wrath from a 3rd party poster the week they opened preorders and they sold out in a day |
| 23:07.27 | nevcairiel | I want to shoot people that just buy it to sell it again, should be a rule against it or something |
| 23:07.29 | Dashkal | Too bad I'm already using that space for my hud |
| 23:07.35 | *** join/#wowace smcn (i=smcn@75-164-148-190.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 23:07.41 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: In a way that would make it not-impossible to see? |
| 23:07.49 | Xinhuan | half transparent |
| 23:07.54 | Antiarc | Tried it |
| 23:07.56 | Antiarc | Looks bad. |
| 23:08.03 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:08.09 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: you should just get one faster :) |
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| 23:08.24 | FroMaster | Antiarc: I've got the interface settings up but not seeing anything for HudMap.. I've got ver - 20081106041949 |
| 23:08.41 | NivFreak | most stores limit quantities for CEs |
| 23:08.48 | NivFreak | my local gamestop did not see the need to |
| 23:08.51 | NivFreak | so I have 3 coming from them |
| 23:08.53 | NivFreak | and 1 from amazon |
| 23:09.10 | Xinhuan | are you using all of them? |
| 23:09.11 | Antiarc | get r20081107230602 |
| 23:09.17 | NivFreak | I have 4 accounts, so I had planned to |
| 23:09.27 | Xinhuan | 4 :o |
| 23:09.32 | NivFreak | I can be bribed with cool in game items though! |
| 23:09.39 | NivFreak | wtb scarab lord and mount |
| 23:09.41 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 23:09.54 | Gnarfoz | no way to get that anymore |
| 23:09.56 | FroMaster | +Antiarc: I'm using the Curse Client to keep it updated so thats probably why.. I'll grab it directly to check it out. |
| 23:10.03 | Antiarc | I just promoted that one to beta |
| 23:10.05 | Antiarc | So it'll show up soon |
| 23:10.06 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: not strictly true, but mostly |
| 23:10.14 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: new servers start with gates open? |
| 23:10.30 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz, almost all |
| 23:10.31 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: and all servers have the gates open by now, afaik |
| 23:10.32 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: not quite what I meant |
| 23:10.51 | nevcairiel | depends on the kind of new server |
| 23:10.59 | nevcairiel | if they allow transfer, they have it open |
| 23:11.05 | nevcairiel | if they are non-transfer |
| 23:11.07 | nevcairiel | they dont |
| 23:11.07 | Gnarfoz | new servers don't allow transfers |
| 23:11.09 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 23:11.13 | nevcairiel | depends |
| 23:11.15 | nevcairiel | some do |
| 23:11.17 | nevcairiel | some dont |
| 23:11.17 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 23:11.37 | Gnarfoz | only if they're designated "empty realm, only transfers here, char creation enabled" |
| 23:11.43 | Gnarfoz | the two kinds are mutually exclusive |
| 23:11.48 | Gnarfoz | either transfers only or char creation only |
| 23:12.15 | Gnarfoz | (for the first 6 months, which is how long the effort takes to complete on its own afaik) |
| 23:12.21 | Gnarfoz | so... roll a new char, I guess |
| 23:13.16 | Repo | 10broker_ttd: 03durcyn 07master * 000f28e / (4 files in 3 directories): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit |
| 23:13.42 | Xinhuan | whats a "ttd" |
| 23:13.47 | Irish` | timetodie? |
| 23:13.50 | Pkekyo| | anyone know where I can get 'diamond' shape sheet metal? ( http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6165625/2/istockphoto_6165625-huge-sheet-of-diamond-plate.jpg like so) |
| 23:13.52 | durcyn | it's an ldb port of mecdemort's timetodie addon |
| 23:13.57 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r111 modules/PlayerNames.lua: fixed some places where libwho was still named wholib |
| 23:14.01 | durcyn | because deprecated libraries make me ill |
| 23:14.10 | Gnarfoz | so you use NEW ones |
| 23:14.11 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:14.27 | Gnarfoz | really that addon could be made entirely lib-less :p |
| 23:14.31 | durcyn | it has libstub and ldb. and that's about it. |
| 23:14.32 | Gnarfoz | because as it stands now, I have to have a displayer to profit from it |
| 23:15.04 | Gnarfoz | which is probably more overhead than what TTD used to have |
| 23:15.11 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: it's either include the libs or optdep every known display addon |
| 23:15.25 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 23:15.27 | Gnarfoz | what libs |
| 23:15.32 | durcyn | LDB, man. |
| 23:15.38 | Gnarfoz | you're missing my point. |
| 23:15.41 | durcyn | no, i'm not |
| 23:15.50 | Gnarfoz | how would you know?! |
| 23:15.56 | Xinhuan | he wants a display that isn't LDB, i.e the addon comes with its own display |
| 23:15.59 | Gnarfoz | only I can tell if you misunderstood me :p |
| 23:16.02 | Xinhuan | so that he doesn't have to run any LDB display addon |
| 23:16.06 | durcyn | oh, well, write your bloody own then. |
| 23:16.10 | NivFreak | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wareffort/servers.html |
| 23:16.14 | NivFreak | nope, all gates are open |
| 23:16.15 | Gnarfoz | I will (that is, de-lib TTD) |
| 23:16.19 | Arrowmaster | i think it makes more sense to use ldb.... |
| 23:16.23 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: that's what i thought, too |
| 23:16.27 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: ah, why? |
| 23:16.32 | sylvanaar | fotm |
| 23:16.36 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: ! |
| 23:16.51 | Xinhuan | it doesn't make sense if you are only going to use ONE ldb plugin though |
| 23:17.00 | Xinhuan | the displayer's overhead will be more than too much ;p |
| 23:17.16 | Gnarfoz | I can absolutely see that it's a valid use case for LDB |
| 23:17.46 | nevcairiel | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/events/wareffort/servers.html <-- EU has some realms with closed gates, shrug |
| 23:18.04 | Xinhuan | the ones with closed gates, you can't transfer to them |
| 23:18.10 | Gnarfoz | (that's what I said) |
| 23:18.22 | Gnarfoz | the only choice is roll on a new realm :\ |
| 23:18.41 | Gnarfoz | actually, that's not what I said |
| 23:18.44 | Gnarfoz | and I don't think that's accurate |
| 23:18.44 | Dashkal | EU has closed gates? I'm a lil surprised, actually. I was expecting 3.0 to just remove the AQ gate code and have everything open |
| 23:18.46 | nevcairiel | thats what i said |
| 23:19.03 | Gnarfoz | normally, they disallow PCT for 6 months |
| 23:19.10 | Gnarfoz | not 'until gates are opened' |
| 23:19.23 | nevcairiel | There is two types of new servers. Some are opened and offer free transfers from alot of full realms (and PCT of course), some are opened without any transfer at all |
| 23:19.35 | asmodai | Anyone else seeing this 'Herald of the Lich King' yelling in a major city? |
| 23:19.43 | asmodai | Just saw that in Stormwind |
| 23:19.48 | Xinhuan | asmodai, you need to walk outside the city :) |
| 23:20.02 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: it's been there for a week now, and it's annoying :D |
| 23:20.17 | Xinhuan | he yells every 30 min, because there is a naxx floating ni the air outside each city |
| 23:20.28 | asmodai | ohh, it's from the necropoli? |
| 23:20.48 | asmodai | hadn't noticed the yells before |
| 23:21.07 | Antiarc | I actually had a thought |
| 23:21.18 | asmodai | Oh dear :) |
| 23:21.34 | Antiarc | If you were to programmatically move the minimap under the mouse in small increments and look for GameTooltip to contain a value when owned by Minimap |
| 23:21.44 | Xinhuan | Antiarc: been done before |
| 23:21.46 | Antiarc | You might be able to extrapolate relative positions of resources and players and such |
| 23:21.52 | Antiarc | How'd it work? |
| 23:21.58 | Antiarc | good, not good? |
| 23:21.58 | Xinhuan | ugly |
| 23:22.02 | Antiarc | figured :) |
| 23:22.11 | Xinhuan | was also a cpu resource drain |
| 23:22.38 | Xinhuan | also |
| 23:22.46 | Xinhuan | there's no actual event for the gametooltip showing up |
| 23:22.59 | Xinhuan | so you would need onupdate parsing |
| 23:23.06 | nevcairiel | and you would probably see the movement and it would really be annoying |
| 23:23.07 | Xinhuan | and it has to showup before yu can parse it, so it will flicker |
| 23:23.13 | Groktar | i am feeling pleased with the performance of my new hard drive |
| 23:23.19 | Antiarc | yeah, I figured as much |
| 23:23.26 | Groktar | http://www.pr0kforums.com/images/newhd.jpg |
| 23:24.41 | dieck | Groktar: http://cache.gizmodo.com/archives/images/new_hard_drive.jpg? |
| 23:24.42 | Xinhuan | have you figured out the routes stuff yet Antiarc |
| 23:24.53 | Antiarc | I haven't worked too much on the routes bit yet |
| 23:24.59 | Groktar | oh my |
| 23:25.28 | Groktar | is afraid that hard drives wishes to assimilate him |
| 23:26.13 | dieck | I'm thinking about doing some sync routines for our loot addon, to dirstibute data to our officers. is GuildCalendar any good to peek for data communications, or should I just start from scratch? :) |
| 23:26.39 | Xinhuan | start from scratch |
| 23:26.42 | Arrowmaster | GroupCalendar? |
| 23:26.46 | Gnarfoz | GC is not a good example for anything, I fear |
| 23:26.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah groupcalendar is bad, really bad |
| 23:27.01 | Gnarfoz | (that applying to both Ghostcrawler and GuildCalendar :p) |
| 23:27.07 | dieck | was the only distributated data sink I thought of |
| 23:27.10 | Torhal | ckknight, pingage |
| 23:27.18 | ckknight | anti-pingage |
| 23:27.22 | Torhal | Heh |
| 23:27.43 | Torhal | Just renamed a project and now can't access the repo for it by any means |
| 23:27.44 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:27.56 | Xinhuan | Torhal, you need to change the URL too |
| 23:28.03 | Torhal | Xinhuan, I did. |
| 23:28.08 | nevcairiel | and usually wait a few minutes |
| 23:28.12 | Torhal | Adirelle tried and also can't access it |
| 23:28.16 | nevcairiel | unless its broken again |
| 23:28.29 | nevcairiel | however, you really shouldnt change short names =P |
| 23:28.45 | nevcairiel | I thought you need a moderator to do it anyway |
| 23:28.50 | Torhal | Kaelten did it |
| 23:28.56 | Xinhuan | /chuckle |
| 23:29.00 | Kaelten | ? |
| 23:29.09 | Torhal | Changed the project names |
| 23:29.15 | Kaelten | ah |
| 23:29.23 | nevcairiel | its all Kaelten's fault then :) |
| 23:29.24 | Xinhuan | probably permissions didn't get changed/copied over |
| 23:29.39 | Kaelten | repos should survive a change in short names |
| 23:29.50 | ckknight | yea, I bet I know the issue |
| 23:30.10 | Xinhuan | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/admin/reports/ |
| 23:30.19 | Xinhuan | all those reports look whacked, did you break something |
| 23:30.32 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: we've talked about those already |
| 23:30.39 | NeoTron | man I keep forgetting about engrish.com and then I come back and cry till I laugh... at work. http://www.engrish.com/2008/11/waiter-this-tastes-like-oh-never-mind/ |
| 23:30.42 | Xinhuan | so delete them? |
| 23:30.44 | Xinhuan | or? |
| 23:30.55 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:31.03 | NeoTron | or why not http://www.engrish.com/2008/07/not-bad-once-you-get-over-the-brown-spots/ |
| 23:31.08 | Kaelten | ya, probably should send him a email/pm and ask for more invo |
| 23:31.18 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 23:35.00 | Xinhuan | durcyn, did you have Mecdemort's permission to port, or you just rewrote it |
| 23:35.15 | Gnarfoz | ~seen moonsorrow |
| 23:35.17 | purl | moonsorrow <n=moonsorr@HSI-KBW-078-042-053-180.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 206d 2h 59m 53s ago, saying: 'and maybe look at who could have possible broken it and report it to him'. |
| 23:35.20 | Gnarfoz | Daemona: ping |
| 23:35.35 | Daemona | pong |
| 23:35.42 | Gnarfoz | Daemona: is he (see above) still around? |
| 23:35.58 | Daemona | rarely, issues with gotwood or xrs? |
| 23:36.22 | ckknight | Torhal: fixed |
| 23:36.35 | Daemona | and by rarely i am talking about "handed over GM of the guild to someone else" |
| 23:36.54 | Torhal | ckknight: Thankye |
| 23:36.56 | Gnarfoz | Daemona: I updated DontBugMe for 2.4 api (lol) and want to take over the wowace project for it |
| 23:37.23 | Gnarfoz | Daemona: it's still assigned to wowaceSVN so I technically could do it without asking him, just wanted to check if he's dropped of the face of the earth totally or not ^^ |
| 23:37.23 | Daemona | Gnarfoz query |
| 23:38.15 | asmodai | Ackis: btw |
| 23:38.33 | asmodai | Ackis: were those skill levels supposed to be fixed? |
| 23:38.37 | many | wow |
| 23:38.42 | many | 4 years of wow |
| 23:39.00 | asmodai | Ackis: e.g. alchemy's strong's troll blood elixer is 125, not 110 |
| 23:39.01 | many | and they still didnt manage it that 500 allies can enter orgrimmar without the server crashing |
| 23:39.19 | durcyn | Xinhuan: he's been MIA, i don't have explicit permission |
| 23:39.22 | Adirelle | g'night |
| 23:39.26 | asmodai | many: your server? :) |
| 23:39.31 | many | yea |
| 23:39.34 | Groktar | http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2008/08/rotion.jpg |
| 23:39.40 | many | -enter orgrimmar- -wait 5 sec- |
| 23:39.47 | many | -dísconnected- |
| 23:39.55 | many | ah. thunderbluff, not orgrimmar. |
| 23:40.22 | many | lore says my server always was the betaserver anyway |
| 23:40.37 | asmodai | killing the Tauren chieftain? |
| 23:40.48 | many | trying to get the achievement, yes. |
| 23:41.08 | many | realmserver not active. dont you love that ^^ |
| 23:41.30 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: ping? :) |
| 23:41.48 | dieck | is a string trim provides by blizzard or ace3? |
| 23:41.56 | Repo | 10cast-yeller: 03Adirelle 04v1.2b * r175 : Tagging as v1.2b |
| 23:41.57 | dieck | or do I have to write my own function? |
| 23:42.11 | Kaelten | ? |
| 23:42.19 | ckknight | blizz |
| 23:42.47 | dieck | ckknight: thought I read so :) string.trim? or just trim? |
| 23:42.47 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: got grayed buttons again after chanign char ;( |
| 23:42.53 | ckknight | both work |
| 23:42.56 | dieck | nice |
| 23:42.58 | Kaelten | with what version? |
| 23:43.01 | ckknight | I prefer the ("blah"):trim() syntax |
| 23:43.28 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: should be beta7 |
| 23:43.44 | mitchnull | lua> print(tostring(nil == true)) |
| 23:43.44 | lua_bot | mitchnull: false |
| 23:44.00 | Kaelten | Dodge: k, I have one other idea |
| 23:44.10 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: and make the config button not open the blizz addon config :( |
| 23:44.41 | many | 3 minutes loading screen already. nicety |
| 23:44.47 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh * r57 GuildManagementTools (3 files in 2 directories): update for beta release |
| 23:44.47 | asmodai | anyway, night guys :) |
| 23:45.05 | Kaelten | ? |
| 23:45.28 | Repo | 10nobility-console: 03ciscoh 04beta0.0.0017a * r58 : Beta release 0.0.0017a |
| 23:46.02 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: if i click config button it opens the onebag config in the interface/addons options |
| 23:46.08 | Kaelten | ya |
| 23:46.53 | Repo | 10debuff-enough: 03Nickodemus_wow * r5 / (2 files in 2 directories): feature complete, a few corner cases left to solve |
| 23:47.26 | [SW]Dodge | its ok if it is in interface/addons but the config button should use the ace3 gui as i prefere that frame cous its movable :) |
| 23:49.52 | Antiarc | BetterBlizzOptions IMO |
| 23:50.12 | Repo | 10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal * r40 / (7 files in 3 directories): |
| 23:50.12 | Repo | Made file name/content changes due to renaming from LibTooltip to LibQTip. |
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| 23:50.34 | NeoTron | Antiarc: thing it's be possible to fix OpenToCategory in BBO? Make it actually work correctly if the list is longer than what can be displayed... :P |
| 23:51.03 | Antiarc | What's it do or not do? |
| 23:51.12 | NeoTron | right now it goes to the last opened on |
| 23:51.17 | NeoTron | if it's not on the visible list |
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| 23:51.27 | NeoTron | so it opens the config but doesn't go to the category |
| 23:52.07 | NeoTron | at least I believe Xinhuan said that was the behavior atm |
| 23:52.46 | NeoTron | I might perhaps take a look at it myself tonight or whenever |
| 23:53.16 | [SW]Dodge | curse client is dieing at least once a day w/o doing something :( |
| 23:53.52 | mitchnull | neotron: still broken |
| 23:55.31 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=252087#post252087 |
| 23:55.58 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 23:55.59 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give AcTiVaTe a big kiss on the neck |
| 23:56.30 | Daemona | Kaelten? whats the policy about unclaimed woaceSNV projects currently? If the original author didnt claim it by now and i would (hypthetically) like to continue it, could i claim it without negative consequences for me? |
| 23:56.47 | ckknight | ...probably |
| 23:56.53 | Gnarfoz | depends on license? |
| 23:56.58 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: and your linking me this why? |
| 23:57.02 | Torhal | Daemona, you should try to contact the author. |
| 23:57.20 | Kaelten | Daemona: make a report on the project and we'll review it. But yes attempting to contact the author is the first step |
| 23:57.21 | Daemona | Torhal, in this case, i know he doesnt want to be reached ;) |
| 23:57.23 | Torhal | Originally Posted by PaterFrog |
| 23:57.23 | Torhal | What do you think about the "AddOn Studio for World of Warcraft"? |
| 23:57.35 | Torhal | Arrowmaster, that |
| 23:57.41 | Arrowmaster | its crap |
| 23:57.45 | Arrowmaster | dont use it |
| 23:57.57 | Torhal | Figured you'd jump on the thread and tell him he failed. |
| 23:58.03 | Torhal | :D |
| 23:58.09 | Arrowmaster | he was just asking about it |
| 23:58.23 | Torhal | Yah, and I told him it's crap and would be an epic fail |
| 23:58.35 | Arrowmaster | not actually using it and then commiting stuff with the .wowproj file included |
| 23:58.47 | Torhal | Hehe |
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