| 00:00.10 | Gnarfoz | you get those, too, btw |
| 00:00.20 | trh | i'm guessing the blizzard ceo's lover didn't like her ingames |
| 00:00.23 | Gnarfoz | you seem to be entirely disregarding that you're *not* playing a cat. |
| 00:00.24 | RaydenUni | once they work on cat and bear i will get one |
| 00:00.32 | Gnarfoz | your character's class is "druid", and those are not animals :p |
| 00:00.42 | thul | kids behave |
| 00:00.47 | Gnarfoz | they do? |
| 00:00.49 | RaydenUni | but i am a cat, and a bear, and a bird, and a seal |
| 00:00.51 | RaydenUni | as well as a druid |
| 00:00.55 | thul | YOU kids, behave. |
| 00:00.55 | RaydenUni | and a tauren |
| 00:00.58 | thul | to make myself clearer. |
| 00:00.59 | thul | :-P |
| 00:01.11 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 00:01.14 | Gnarfoz | how about you grow up instead of calling random people on the Internet kids? :p |
| 00:01.15 | trh | thul: get off my lawn you damn kids :P |
| 00:01.28 | thul | pffffft |
| 00:01.34 | thul | calling random people on the internet kids is about as fun as it gets. |
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| 00:01.56 | Gnarfoz | no wai, arguing about stuff you don't even care about is way better |
| 00:02.01 | Gnarfoz | (see above ;D0 |
| 00:02.04 | thul | well, it seems like you guys like it for sure :-P |
| 00:02.04 | RaydenUni | thul is just trying to get us to stop by making both of us angry at him |
| 00:02.46 | RaydenUni | i wish i knew how many polygons were in the bear and cat |
| 00:02.55 | RaydenUni | and then how many are in a characters with gear from northrend |
| 00:02.56 | thul | don't ruin my plan RaydenUni :-( |
| 00:03.06 | thul | I WILL USE THE INFLATABLE BUTTPLUG |
| 00:03.11 | RaydenUni | :O |
| 00:03.32 | thul | I just finnished reading choke |
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| 00:05.00 | Toadkiller | whats the replacement for dewdrop in ace3 world? |
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| 00:05.43 | WobWork | I don't think there is one |
| 00:06.06 | trh | toadkiller: there is none |
| 00:06.14 | Gnarfoz | there isn't one, and many tears have been shed because of it |
| 00:06.17 | trh | Toadkiller: but it's pretty easy to convert your stuff to EasyMenu |
| 00:06.17 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 00:06.25 | Gnarfoz | wtf is EasyMenu |
| 00:06.31 | trh | Gnarfoz: Blizzard API |
| 00:06.38 | Gnarfoz | blizz dropdown api? |
| 00:06.43 | Gnarfoz | I heard it sucks. |
| 00:06.47 | trh | Gnarfoz: yes.. simplification of it |
| 00:06.53 | trh | Gnarfoz: kinda, but it's usable |
| 00:07.18 | trh | Gnarfoz: i just wish AceConfig3 would implement the "dropdown" thingy |
| 00:07.24 | trh | Gnarfoz: that would replace dewdrop easily |
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| 00:07.58 | Toadkiller | there is nothing easy about easymenu if i remember right |
| 00:08.17 | trh | uh.. it is pretty easy to use |
| 00:08.30 | trh | at least if got didn't got complicated things in your menus |
| 00:08.36 | Toadkiller | yes, it is easy, except that its not |
| 00:09.33 | Torhal | It causes taint with more than eight items. |
| 00:09.48 | Toadkiller | etc. |
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| 00:12.42 | Mikk | Torhal: Really? It causes taint if you grow it? |
| 00:13.02 | Torhal | Mikk: That's what I keep seeing people say. |
| 00:13.11 | Torhal | I've never used it, myself, so I'm just repeating |
| 00:14.07 | Mikk | Having said that, the un-easy version works too |
| 00:15.09 | Mikk | But yeah I'd like a dropdown lib that's slightly easier to use than the builtin |
| 00:15.41 | Toadkiller | Maybe the peasants do not need drop down config of a button or bar. Let them get the gui config opened to that spot instead I guess |
| 00:16.08 | trh | is there any work done on AceConfigDropdown-3.0? |
| 00:16.12 | Mikk | no |
| 00:17.09 | Toadkiller | How can I tell if config is open? I want to be able to toggle it open & close by clicking repeatedly...? |
| 00:17.34 | trh | calling IsVisible on the frame? |
| 00:17.41 | Mikk | You don't know which frame it is |
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| 00:18.01 | Bruners | what is the easyest way to make blizzard addon options ? |
| 00:18.14 | Mikk | tekConfig or AceConfig3 |
| 00:18.17 | trh | isn't it "InterfaceOptionsFrame"? |
| 00:18.20 | thul | I just put a rude "best offer" offer in :-P |
| 00:18.45 | Mikk | trh: Only if you're displaying inside blizzard's options frame. |
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| 00:18.59 | trh | we need curse reward points to bribe people to get the aceconfig3-dropdown thingy done :) |
| 00:19.27 | Toadkiller | no we dont, if noone needs it badly enough to do it then it should remain dead |
| 00:19.48 | trh | i've read a dozen of "need dewdrop-3.0" requests ;) |
| 00:19.49 | Mikk | I'm personally of the opinion that a raw, small dropdown lib would be useful |
| 00:20.00 | Mikk | But displaying aceconfig tables in them.... |
| 00:20.01 | Mikk | mneh |
| 00:20.02 | Repo | 10chinon: 03Sidoine * r59 / (2 files in 1 directory): Chinon: |
| 00:20.05 | Repo | - bug fixes |
| 00:20.23 | Repo | 10chinon: 03Sidoine 043.0.6 * r60 : Chinon: |
| 00:20.24 | Repo | - tagging |
| 00:20.41 | Torhal | Mikk: I might mess with something using a custom LibQTip cellprovider. Then again, I might not :) |
| 00:21.35 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: i was thinking about doing it all in an AceGUI-3.0 widget and making AceConfigDropDown-3.0 use that widget, then making another lib that used the widget for none aceconfig option styles |
| 00:22.01 | Mikk | Isn't the the wrong way around |
| 00:22.09 | Mikk | the=that |
| 00:22.15 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
| 00:22.30 | Mikk | I mean... a fully-fledged dropdown might be ABLE to use widgets |
| 00:22.36 | Mikk | But it itself wouldn't be a widget |
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| 00:22.54 | Arrowmaster | since it needs to be done in an acegui widget anyway so aceconfigdialog can use the better dropdowns |
| 00:23.22 | Mikk | Which better dropdowns does aceconfigdialog need? |
| 00:23.29 | Arrowmaster | dialogs dropdowns are done using a really simple widget afaik that was intended to be replaced with a better one once aceconfigdropdown was done |
| 00:23.47 | Toadkiller | im with mik, shouldnt it consume the config and spit out dropdown versions of the widgets? |
| 00:24.05 | Mikk | Yeah I know nargs wanted a bigger and better widget for dropdowns |
| 00:24.10 | Mikk | But I don't get what the purpose of that is |
| 00:24.27 | Mikk | I mean, the current one displays everything needed for aceconfig |
| 00:24.38 | Toadkiller | Ok I get it. If its a widget then you can drop it into the gui as well |
| 00:24.49 | Mikk | Yeah but you can write a widget wrapper for anything |
| 00:24.59 | Mikk | Granted, maybe I shouldn't just be thinking aceconfig here |
| 00:25.02 | Arrowmaster | Toadkiller: exactly |
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| 00:25.09 | Mikk | Maybe I should be thinking acegui in general |
| 00:25.21 | Mikk | Where you might want something that e.g. handles icons in them |
| 00:25.22 | Arrowmaster | well my idea was to replace the two different parts of dewdrop with it |
| 00:25.42 | Arrowmaster | aceconfigdropdown to replace the method of supplying aceconfig tables to dewdrop |
| 00:25.43 | Toadkiller | Yeah that would be nice. You could simplify some uis a bit by burying stuff in a dropdown |
| 00:26.12 | Arrowmaster | then a libdewdrop-3.0 or something that you could use the other methods, like a function, for defining the dropdown |
| 00:26.20 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: Yeah, that was the plan. An "AceDropdown" usable standalone. "AceConfigDropdown" = feeding config into AceDropdown |
| 00:26.21 | Arrowmaster | and have them both use the widget or something |
| 00:26.43 | Mikk | And then a widget that embeds "AceDropdown", usable in AceGUI |
| 00:27.01 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: i dont like that idea at all, needing to embed both AceConfig3 and a standalone |
| 00:27.21 | Mikk | No, you misunderstood |
| 00:27.55 | Mikk | "AceDropdown" = basically raw Dewdrop |
| 00:28.09 | Arrowmaster | would it be located inside ace3 |
| 00:28.12 | Mikk | yes |
| 00:28.50 | Arrowmaster | so then you would need AceDropdown, AceGUI, and AceConfig just to use AceConfigDialog..... |
| 00:29.07 | Arrowmaster | since AceGUI would be requiring AceDropdown |
| 00:29.13 | Arrowmaster | do not like |
| 00:29.15 | doom0r | mmm, how long you think this will last? |
| 00:29.15 | doom0r | <More HK's Than Stalin> is a pvp guild looking for active 80's or soon to be 80's who wanna run bgs, world pvp, and arena. PST for more info or [invite]. |
| 00:29.33 | Mikk | Stalin only had DKs |
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| 00:29.45 | doom0r | likely |
| 00:30.20 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: well, requiring people to implement framing to use acegui widgets just if they want a dropdown makes no sense either |
| 00:30.31 | Mikk | widgets are no fun to use |
| 00:30.36 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 00:31.32 | Arrowmaster | i admit i havent messed with acegui much if at all |
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| 00:31.58 | Arrowmaster | but i dont quite understand what you mean |
| 00:32.13 | Mikk | Well,... a "widget" is something that AceGUI knows how to call |
| 00:32.15 | Mikk | And position |
| 00:32.17 | Mikk | And request more of |
| 00:32.35 | Mikk | Using a widget yourself is no fun; you basically need to emulate what AceGUI does |
| 00:32.43 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 00:33.15 | Arrowmaster | but when you currently use AceConfigDialog you dont need to mess with AceGUI at all, AceConfig does it for you |
| 00:33.21 | Mikk | Yes |
| 00:33.34 | Kilroo | Hmm. |
| 00:33.36 | Mikk | But you would obviously want a dropdown library that just needs a lib.CreateDropdown() |
| 00:33.40 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Shefki 04v3.2.9 * r1873 : Tag v3.2.9 |
| 00:33.42 | Repo | Helps when you put the tag in tags and not branches. /facepalm. |
| 00:33.44 | Mikk | not umpteen calls to position it and whatnot |
| 00:34.14 | Repo | 10pit-bull: 03Shefki 07v3.2.9 * r1874 : Remove the branch for v3.2.9 that I didn't mean to make. |
| 00:34.17 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: cant the lib handle all of that itself |
| 00:35.12 | Mikk | It smells bloat to me. At the inner level, you have the actual dropdown that people want to use. Then the widget API wrapped around that. Then a simplifying wrapper for people that just want dropdowns. |
| 00:35.13 | Mikk | Three layers. |
| 00:35.17 | Mikk | When the inner layer is all you want. |
| 00:35.34 | Kilroo | considers converting his already-ambitious project from HandyNotes-Rares to HandyNotes-Farmer or something, and trying to have it handle herbalism and mining Notes too. |
| 00:35.50 | Arrowmaster | Kilroo: we would shoot you |
| 00:35.55 | Mikk | I agree |
| 00:36.02 | Mikk | Do NOT repeat NOT do herbalism and mining in handynotes |
| 00:36.14 | trh | it should handle china-farmers if renamed to farmer :P |
| 00:36.26 | Mikk | GatherMate = herbalism & mining |
| 00:37.05 | trh | oh.. new darklegacy comic :) |
| 00:37.13 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: right but my idea was that if the goal was a complete dewdrop replacement with features such as dragging abilitys and items onto dropdowns and setting keybindings from dropdowns and all that other stuff it should all be done in a single place and not reproduced in two libraries |
| 00:37.24 | WobWork | trh: New TehGladiators comic! |
| 00:38.01 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: people forget dewdrop and a proper aceconfigdropdown-3.0 is going to have a lot of complex features |
| 00:38.06 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: right; that would be a dropdown able to use widgets inside it |
| 00:38.25 | Mikk | There's two use cases: |
| 00:38.37 | Mikk | 1. A nonsucky version of the blizzard dropdwown |
| 00:38.43 | Mikk | 2. All-out dewdrop replacement |
| 00:38.54 | Mikk | The real question though is whether or not we want 2 at all |
| 00:39.02 | Arrowmaster | we do |
| 00:39.03 | WobWork | old dewdrop used to have some nice features |
| 00:39.10 | WobWork | like the icons |
| 00:39.12 | Kilroo | eyes Gathermate skeptically. |
| 00:39.13 | Arrowmaster | otherwise it can not be aceconfigdropdown |
| 00:39.22 | Mikk | Okay I'll rephrase |
| 00:39.25 | Mikk | 1. AceDropdown |
| 00:39.27 | Mikk | 2. AceConfigDropdown |
| 00:39.33 | Mikk | Do we want AceConfigDropdown? |
| 00:39.36 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:39.38 | Mikk | Why |
| 00:39.44 | trh | yes |
| 00:39.45 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 00:39.50 | WobWork | Why not? |
| 00:39.54 | Mikk | I'm dead serious here - I want to know |
| 00:40.01 | Mikk | Why do we want AceConfig - in - dropdown |
| 00:40.01 | Arrowmaster | because i dont give a fuck about a simple dropdown lib |
| 00:40.11 | WobWork | How about. Why not both? |
| 00:40.45 | trh | Mikk: example: you got a frame which should get a few options to change it's color, backdrop etc. - it'd be overkill to open a second widget for the configuration, if it could be done in a dropdown |
| 00:40.50 | Arrowmaster | because a simple dropdown is mostly useless for configuring anything |
| 00:41.27 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: But what if you don't want to config anything? |
| 00:41.33 | WobWork | What if you just want an information listing |
| 00:41.37 | Mikk | trh: But on the other hand it seems to work really well to pop up a dialog too |
| 00:41.51 | Arrowmaster | dialogs for 2 options are fucking stupid |
| 00:41.58 | WobWork | eg: HeyFu |
| 00:42.00 | trh | Mikk: yes, but if the widget only got like 3 options it's stupid |
| 00:42.15 | WobWork | I like the dropdown methodology because it makes sense in the way the info is sorted |
| 00:42.31 | Arrowmaster | if my options are 2 sliders its easyer to config in dewdrop than a dialog |
| 00:42.31 | WobWork | but I don't need it to do much except react to mouseclicks |
| 00:42.43 | Mikk | DewdropLib is 100 kb |
| 00:42.43 | trh | Mikk: so.. AceDropdown = minimalistic dropdowns (basically type = "execute") and AceConfigDropdown full blown dewdrop replacement (that maybe uses acedropdown) |
| 00:42.53 | Mikk | Is 3 options in a dialog a good reason to load a 100 kb lib? |
| 00:43.04 | trh | Mikk: if 10 of your addons use it.. yes |
| 00:43.14 | WobWork | trh: that's not a good metric |
| 00:43.16 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: how big is AceGUI and AceConfig? |
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| 00:43.25 | Mikk | trh: minimalistic as in does icons, colors, submenus... |
| 00:43.39 | WobWork | You don't say "Yes, a large lib is good cause what happens if 10 of your addons use it" |
| 00:43.56 | WobWork | cause what if "Oh noes, only -one- of my addons uses it" |
| 00:44.06 | trh | WobWork: no, you say a large lib is good because it simplifies my addon alot |
| 00:44.16 | trh | and what is 100kb memory nowadays anyway? |
| 00:44.28 | WobWork | What is the length of a piece of string? |
| 00:44.36 | WobWork | It's not the point =P |
| 00:44.36 | trh | a lua table with like 200 entries (each 2 subentries) is already longer |
| 00:44.39 | Arrowmaster | i still do not want to see yet another part of Ace3 that is required to use other parts of Ace3, if you make AceDropdown-3.0 then AceGUI-3.0 will require it just because a widget is going to wrap around it |
| 00:44.51 | SunTsu | trh: What is 100kb again and again and again? Where does it lead if everybody thinks that way? |
| 00:45.10 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: so basically your complaint is that you dont want a line in your externals listing |
| 00:45.19 | trh | SunTsu: but it's a essential thing to have dropdowns that you can use to configure stuff |
| 00:45.36 | trh | SunTsu: it's not like 100 poeple will create their own dropdown libraries (if they would we wouldn't have this conversation) |
| 00:45.46 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: one of the main purposes of ace3 was to reduce inter ace dependancies that ace2 had |
| 00:46.02 | WobWork | yeah, callbacklib was a bit of an issue =P |
| 00:46.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont see how any of the other ace3 devs would allow it |
| 00:46.22 | Yasuo | is there a way to target the owner of a vehicle? |
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| 00:46.40 | trh | Yasuo: i'd say it depends on the vehicle |
| 00:46.41 | Mikk | well if aceconfigdialog was done ace2 style, it would depend on aceoo, aceevent, acemodulecore and probably something else too |
| 00:46.54 | trh | Yasuo: sometimes you can target them with exact pointing |
| 00:46.56 | Arrowmaster | right now it only depends on AceGUI |
| 00:47.14 | Mikk | So what if we make AceDropdown live inside AceGUI |
| 00:47.16 | Mikk | tadaa |
| 00:47.21 | Arrowmaster | Mikk:..... |
| 00:47.28 | Arrowmaster | THATS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING TO DO |
| 00:47.38 | Mikk | No, you've been saying to make it a widget |
| 00:47.48 | Mikk | Maybe you just don't see the differenec |
| 00:47.53 | Arrowmaster | maybe i dont |
| 00:48.00 | Mikk | Hokay |
| 00:48.03 | Mikk | Then we're fine :P |
| 00:48.30 | trh | so you'll write acedropdown + aceconfigdropdown? :P |
| 00:48.54 | Arrowmaster | but the actual dropdown code minus any code to handle the addon authors code for configuring it should live in acegui and be reusable as a widget and by other libraries |
| 00:48.54 | Mikk | Sod knows. It was my intent from the start but I don't seem to be doing it |
| 00:49.28 | Arrowmaster | the aceconfig table handling should live in AceConfigDropDown-3.0 |
| 00:49.34 | Mikk | Yes, like I said, there should be an AceGUI widget with a good dropdown |
| 00:49.44 | Mikk | But it should also be usable without its widget wrapper |
| 00:50.04 | Mikk | And yeah feeding aceconfig tables into a dropdown is something entirely different |
| 00:50.15 | Arrowmaster | and AceConfigDropDown-3.0 should use the dropdown code from AceGUI (widget or not) for creating the actual dropdown |
| 00:50.20 | Mikk | yes |
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| 00:50.45 | Arrowmaster | then another library to do the other non config table ways that dewdrop did, that used the same code living inside AceGUI |
| 00:51.06 | Arrowmaster | since those ways can be a lot easier to use for small dropdowns |
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| 00:51.57 | Arrowmaster | do you agree? |
| 00:52.27 | Mikk | Uh, I think so, but I'm not sure I'm getting you fully |
| 00:52.32 | Mikk | Here, I'll outline my thinking |
| 00:52.59 | Mikk | 1. Ace3\AceGUI-3.0\AceDropdown-3.0 <- a library that you can feed items to, raw |
| 00:53.15 | Mikk | 1. Ace3\AceGUI-3.0\widgets\DropdownWidget <- a widget wrapping AceDropdown-3.0 |
| 00:53.19 | Mikk | 2.* |
| 00:53.39 | Mikk | 3. Ace3\AceConfig-3.0\AceConfigDropdown-3.0 <- feed AceConfig data into AceDropdown-3.0 |
| 00:54.02 | Mikk | (And 3 would also be able to use other widgets inside of it) |
| 00:54.31 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean when you say feed items to raw |
| 00:55.08 | Mikk | mydropdown:AddLine({ text="blah", icon="asdf.tga", hasArrow=true}) |
| 00:55.19 | Arrowmaster | ok i dont fully agree with that |
| 00:55.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the core lib handling the dropdowns should be designed to be used raw (although if you know how you can) |
| 00:55.53 | Mikk | Not that anyone's decided on an actual syntax to do the equivalent of :AddLine() |
| 00:56.23 | Mikk | Hokay, what kind of syntax did you have in mind? |
| 00:56.50 | Arrowmaster | i didnt, im not good a designing syntax and apis and such |
| 00:57.13 | Mikk | Well, in general terms - what would you generally want to see? |
| 00:57.29 | Mikk | Because I do want that core library to be somehow usable for addons directly |
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| 00:58.25 | Arrowmaster | i dont really know but something that ends up being the best for other libs to use directly without having to convert their data into a syntax thats designed for human written input |
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| 00:58.41 | Repo | raid only bug fix |
| 00:59.24 | Arrowmaster | meaning they might possible have to call mulitiple functions |
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| 01:00.47 | Arrowmaster | which actually i think could be the only way to do it, if for example AceConfigDropDown-3.0 is suppost to be able to include other AceGUI widgets into its dropdown |
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| 01:02.18 | trh | Arrowmaster: so you think about something like AddTextItem(TextItemProperties) AddSubgroupItem(SubgroupItemProperties) AddCustomItem(CustomItemProperties)? |
| 01:02.58 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, i dont do api design well |
| 01:03.07 | trh | Arrowmaster: in which customitem would represent any renderable thing |
| 01:03.26 | Repo | 10skinner: 03Jncl 04b1.9183.16 * 48192aa /: [new tag] Tagging as b1.9183.16 |
| 01:03.49 | Mikk | Obviously the dropdown lib would have to be able to accept any random frame as a custom item to get widgets to work |
| 01:04.05 | Mikk | Like maybe just :AddFrame(frame) |
| 01:04.49 | Mikk | Where you would expect the frame to have its width and height set prior to the call |
| 01:04.53 | Toadkiller | Ok so in my gui options then, is the dropdown a type of group with more nested containers and items inside it? |
| 01:04.57 | Mikk | And otherwise just be re-parentable and anchorable |
| 01:05.26 | trh | Mikk: sounds right (but it's just my unimportant opinion :) |
| 01:05.39 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: but what about if the width and height of the frame change due to user actions while the dropdown is open |
| 01:06.21 | Toadkiller | Well then it changes because you called cnfReg with an update to the aceconfig u fed it ...? |
| 01:06.26 | Mikk | Good question. The height changing shouldn't be a problem since items below/above should just move along just fine |
| 01:06.36 | Arrowmaster | Toadkiller: but we arent talking aceconfig |
| 01:06.43 | Mikk | But the borders might look a bit fugly unless you kept looping over embedded frames on every OnUpdate |
| 01:07.07 | Mikk | Which I guess is totally doable |
| 01:07.14 | trh | height/width of a dropdown should only change if the user does something in it, or? |
| 01:07.33 | Mikk | trh: well.. if that "something" is inside the frame that teh dropdown has no control over ... |
| 01:07.43 | Mikk | (other than positioning) |
| 01:08.08 | trh | Mikk: hm.. isn't there some kind of parent notification mechanism for clicks/etc? (like event-bubbling)? |
| 01:08.24 | Mikk | no |
| 01:08.33 | Mikk | and it wouldnt even necessarily be a click |
| 01:08.41 | Mikk | it could be something that happens as a response to a timer or outside event |
| 01:08.54 | trh | i guess in that case the frame needs to notify the parent in some way |
| 01:08.57 | Mikk | then again im not even sure if we want to support that |
| 01:09.03 | Mikk | i know acegui would barf all over it if that happened |
| 01:09.17 | trh | i don't even think it's a real problem |
| 01:09.20 | Mikk | same |
| 01:09.21 | Arrowmaster | this is kinda why i went with the idea of it being a native acegui widget in the first place |
| 01:09.46 | Mikk | not seeing how it being a widget solves anything of this |
| 01:10.21 | Arrowmaster | i assumed widgets could work together like this |
| 01:10.36 | Arrowmaster | instead of it just being some unknown custom frame |
| 01:10.56 | quiescens | widgets make the world go 'round |
| 01:11.10 | Toadkiller | I think it should be split into two widgets tbh. One that you can call directly and add simple stuff to. Another monstrosity that nests widgets. |
| 01:11.38 | Mikk | I'm really liking how both of you are having lots of ideas on how it should be made when you don't know the internals of AceGUI =) |
| 01:11.47 | Arrowmaster | sorry i dont |
| 01:12.07 | WobWork | well. a lot of ideas is better than "meh, whatever" =) |
| 01:12.11 | Shefki | I think you should make it with cheese, like the moon. |
| 01:12.26 | Arrowmaster | this is probably atleast more discussion about it than has happened in the past |
| 01:12.48 | trh | hooray for progress =) |
| 01:13.07 | Mikk | At least with more words, but we're still stuck at the same point that we were back then |
| 01:13.13 | Mikk | What the hell should the core API look like |
| 01:13.39 | Mikk | At which point everyone tossed up their hands and went looking for something funner to do |
| 01:14.20 | WobWork | I've only really had experience with the ace2config method for the dropdowns |
| 01:14.34 | Mikk | you mean dewdrop? |
| 01:14.44 | trh | Mikk: how about opening a thread on the forums, throwing in some of the here discussed ideas for discussion? |
| 01:14.51 | Toadkiller | by core api you mean the commands issued to for instance convert a config table into stuff that shows up in the complex case, or make lines & icons and whatnot show up in the simple case? |
| 01:15.01 | Mikk | i mean the simple case |
| 01:15.09 | Arrowmaster | Toadkiller: no |
| 01:15.15 | WobWork | Mikk: Config table -> dewdrop maybe |
| 01:15.33 | Mikk | with one of the favourite pet peeves being how the hell do you tell it where to find items for submenus |
| 01:16.33 | WobWork | Mikk: hm, yeah, straight dewdrop, it seems |
| 01:17.10 | Mikk | WobWork: :AddLine() = relevant to this discussion. feeding it ace2 config tables = not |
| 01:17.24 | WobWork | yeah, that's how I did HeyFu |
| 01:17.29 | WobWork | no config tables |
| 01:17.33 | Mikk | nods |
| 01:17.41 | WobWork | I was getting confused as it's been a while since I looked at the code |
| 01:17.52 | Toadkiller | Im knida new to this, but wouldnt it be ok for the simple case to just feed it a table (possibly nested) that tells it what icon, text to display, with font info and a optional function to call? |
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| 01:18.28 | WobWork | Mikk: afair to indicate submenus, you passed in a level indicator on the menurequest |
| 01:18.31 | Mikk | And if you have several separate addons that want to add lines to a common menu? |
| 01:19.16 | WobWork | first come first served, I imagine |
| 01:19.27 | Arrowmaster | Toadkiller: because thats the job of AceConfigDropDown-3.0 |
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| 01:22.46 | Toadkiller | Ok, I think I am catching up. So thats the part where it just has a frame and you nest stuff in it by calling AddLine or whatever? |
| 01:24.32 | Mikk | yes |
| 01:24.57 | Toadkiller | For the submenus, wouldnt a registry be a good aproach? |
| 01:25.06 | Mikk | explain |
| 01:25.48 | Arrowmaster | this is not a user api but more an inter library api |
| 01:25.55 | Mikk | it's a user api too |
| 01:26.22 | Arrowmaster | it would be simpler to keep it as an inter library api imho |
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| 01:26.45 | Toadkiller | Ok, you basically have any particular menu have a path: "Appname.menulevel1.menulevel2" etc. Then you register each level. This forms the tree you need to display a menu, and once registered you can start the display at any level? |
| 01:26.58 | Mikk | So if I just want to pop up a dropdown with "Close window","Eat bananas","New window" ... |
| 01:27.06 | Mikk | I would have to write an AceConfig table for it? |
| 01:27.07 | Mikk | No thanks |
| 01:27.33 | Mikk | (@ arrowmaster) |
| 01:27.37 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: i didnt say aceconfig would be the only library using it |
| 01:28.58 | Toadkiller | Lets work it up from the basics. To display a single list we need a list of strings, font attributes, icons, callback functions right? |
| 01:30.59 | Toadkiller | for submenus, do they popup as you go over them or you click them to expand? |
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| 01:35.05 | Repo | - change the show map icon settings to profile-based instead of per char |
| 01:35.07 | Repo | - parent icons to WorldMapButton and test its visibility to fix some map mods |
| 01:35.10 | Repo | - give mini map icons a global name to allow certain mods to skip re-parenting |
| 01:35.20 | Toadkiller | assuming they pop up as is the case currently you need a way to go get the new simple list to display so just a callback with some passed in arg as well as the item you are popping ups name /id? |
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| 01:39.48 | Mikk | Well, to be honest, I think I have an idea that will work |
| 01:41.00 | WobWork | will it involve gorllas dressed in dinner suits and half a bucket of soapy frogs? |
| 01:41.27 | Toadkiller | Just 1 bear and 5 gorillas |
| 01:42.52 | Toadkiller | I need a sli setup, this single gpu setup is not providing the heat output I need to overcome the heat lost in this room |
| 01:43.19 | WobWork | wrap your cpu in an afghan |
| 01:43.41 | quiescens | purchase a heater from a nearby supermarket |
| 01:43.42 | Toadkiller | ... im the one thats cold |
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| 01:44.06 | WobWork | wrap yourself in the same afghan |
| 01:44.10 | WobWork | and play Eve |
| 01:44.11 | Toadkiller | well i do have central heating i can run. it is probably time |
| 01:44.16 | WobWork | or Conan |
| 01:44.32 | Toadkiller | aha, so shrink the room down till it works. |
| 01:44.41 | Toadkiller | Yeah the 15 foot ceilings are not helping |
| 01:44.52 | WobWork | Clearly you need SpaceInvader |
| 01:44.55 | WobWork | Or packing foam |
| 01:45.25 | Toadkiller | actually that shiny foil stuff is great for wrapping |
| 01:45.25 | WobWork | http://www.placemakers.co.nz/Whats_on_Tv/Space_Invader_factsheet.htm |
| 01:46.00 | Mikk | If there's one thing I don't like about UIDropDownMenu & Dewdrop, it's the fact that there's only one single function that gets called |
| 01:46.05 | Mikk | So, I'm thinking something like this |
| 01:46.38 | WobWork | although be careful http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/04/25/1019441283387.html |
| 01:46.53 | Mikk | AceDropdown:CreateDropdown(childrenFunc, anchorFrame) |
| 01:47.14 | Mikk | function childrenFunc() |
| 01:47.18 | Mikk | hm no |
| 01:47.25 | Mikk | function childrenFunc(dropdown) |
| 01:47.39 | WobWork | the dropdown being the parentframe? |
| 01:48.04 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.09 | Mikk | Where the next level would simply be created by the library calling itself ala: AceDropdown:CreateDropdown(children2, parentbutton) |
| 01:49.19 | Mikk | Where "parentbutton" is the button we created with the above :AddLine() |
| 01:49.30 | Mikk | This can be implemented without lots of table building |
| 01:50.27 | Mikk | In fact, to clean itself up, the frame only needs to loop its children and put back into the framepool |
| 01:51.04 | trh | sounds good |
| 01:51.43 | trh | should be discussed in a thread on the forums |
| 01:52.00 | WobWork | =P |
| 01:52.49 | Mikk | (if you knew how many tables dewdrop creates i think you'd choke) |
| 01:54.33 | trh | i knew it consumed alot of memory if used alot ;) |
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| 01:55.04 | Kilroo | The depressing thing is...if herbalism and mining should be left up to Gathermate and HandyNotes modules for them are a bad idea...then I've been wasting my time on HandyNotes_Rares, because the Silverdragon type functionality (and other things I was thinking of writing something for, like keeping track of where chests spawn) should be done in Gathermate instead. :-/ |
| 01:55.09 | Toadkiller | Is it worth doing it as dropDown:AddLine{text = "Blah", disabled = true, hasArrow = true, ...}. This avoids the parsing code for the params |
| 01:56.20 | Mikk | Toadkiller: but now you're creating tables |
| 01:56.34 | Mikk | Speed is NOT an issue here |
| 01:56.51 | Toadkiller | Yeah I am not sure of the overhead of that |
| 01:57.17 | Mikk | Well, you could argue that a bit of garbage overhead in the same situation doesnt matter a lot either |
| 01:57.21 | Mikk | But if I can avoid it easily, I will |
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| 01:58.35 | trh | cpu time when creating a dropdownmenu wont be a issue - dropdownmenus are usually only created on request (which is user-issued) |
| 01:59.06 | Mikk | indeed |
| 01:59.10 | trh | better have the code checking the arguments than not |
| 01:59.30 | trh | i really hate it when i had a little mistake in the arguments and spend hours debugging |
| 01:59.51 | Toadkiller | Kilroo: isnt that stuff already in Gathermate? (chests, frost chips, etc.) |
| 02:00.03 | Shefki | They are. |
| 02:00.15 | Shefki | I used Gathermate for Everfrost chips just a few days ago. |
| 02:00.42 | Mikk | The extrafunky thing about Gathermate is Gathermate_Data, which is a wowhead?/wowdb? data dump |
| 02:00.50 | Mikk | So you get all the data there is from the get-go |
| 02:00.51 | Shefki | wowdb now I think. |
| 02:00.56 | Kilroo | Didn't know that. Never used Gathermate...I was planning on trying to supply the necessary HandyNotes modules to use it to replace all the Cartographer where-crap-is bits I used. |
| 02:01.00 | Toadkiller | wowhead |
| 02:01.24 | Shefki | Hmm thought all the automated data stuff used wowdb now. *shrug* |
| 02:01.39 | Mikk | Kilroo: Good thing you mentioned it before you coded it then. Because Gathermate really is where it's at. |
| 02:01.41 | Toadkiller | i could be wrong and just read wowhead instead of wowdb |
| 02:02.07 | Mikk | @project gathermate_data |
| 02:02.08 | Repo | Mikk: http://www.wowace.com/projects/gathermate_data/. GatherMate_Data. Game: WoW. kagaro (Manager/Author), Xinhuan (Author), Nevcairiel (Author). Updated: 20 hours ago |
| 02:02.13 | Mikk | "WoWDB Data dump for GatherMate" |
| 02:02.22 | Mikk | But yeah iirc it used wowhead before |
| 02:02.28 | Shefki | It was. |
| 02:03.38 | Torhal | Kilroo: GatherMate doesn't track rare spawns, though, because they're not something which is "gathered" |
| 02:03.58 | Toadkiller | sounds like a handynotes thing |
| 02:04.01 | Torhal | Aye |
| 02:04.08 | Kilroo | It kinda strikes me as a grey area, to be honest |
| 02:04.33 | Mikk | There is some, yes |
| 02:04.43 | Mikk | But at least for now, gathermate is really only gathered stuff |
| 02:04.50 | Toadkiller | well it could be a tomtom / questhelper thing except for not being quests |
| 02:05.15 | Toadkiller | or routes if you need to route by the spawns |
| 02:05.16 | Mikk | Not that I even have toons with gathering skills anymore. I gather from the AH :) |
| 02:05.23 | Toadkiller | lol |
| 02:05.29 | trh | i wonder why tomtom didn't got a cease and decist letter yet ;) |
| 02:05.36 | Kilroo | Eh. |
| 02:05.52 | trh | oh.. it's desist |
| 02:06.09 | Toadkiller | As I am leveling my gathering toon I am pondering the use of it, and the desirability to just cut down to one toon |
| 02:06.27 | Kilroo | I dunno, I suppose maybe I'm too much of a relational database coder these days. |
| 02:06.30 | Toadkiller | why would tomtom get one? |
| 02:06.53 | trh | Toadkiller: http://www.tomtom.com/ <- software with trademark |
| 02:07.03 | Mikk | they'd have to 1) be in the same business area and 2) show financial losses |
| 02:07.04 | trh | Toadkiller: a wow-addon is also software |
| 02:07.22 | Mikk | "also software" is a bit moot |
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| 02:07.43 | Kilroo | When I took a look at replacing Cartographer, my first inclination was more or less along the lines of "Anything I want to store in terms of a piece of information tied to a set of coordinates should be stored the same way, with different modules to handle how it's collected and what goes with it." |
| 02:07.44 | trh | Mikk: well.. i can only speak for germany, but here it'd be both counted as software |
| 02:08.06 | trh | Mikk: financial losses wouldn't have to be shown |
| 02:08.07 | Torhal | I'd say that the fact that TomTom is a GPS device for a car and the TomTom Addon uses an arrow to point your toon in a direction, there's no conflict |
| 02:08.36 | trh | Torhal: tomtom is also a software for pdas/cell phones |
| 02:08.48 | Mikk | Well, one is for a real world |
| 02:08.53 | Mikk | The other is for a very specific virtual world |
| 02:09.00 | trh | Mikk: like any judge would know the difference? |
| 02:09.00 | Mikk | Any court would laugh |
| 02:09.06 | Mikk | I think they know a lot more than you do |
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| 02:09.18 | Mikk | you do = you think |
| 02:09.20 | trh | Mikk: not in germany :) |
| 02:09.56 | Mikk | Then germany has very un-EU legislation |
| 02:10.02 | Mikk | Which would surprise me |
| 02:10.11 | trh | no.. just incompetent judges/DA |
| 02:13.22 | Toadkiller | anyway .. it has not happenned and most likely will not as tomtom will not need to compete with tomtom at any point. |
| 02:14.05 | Mikk | Class 9: Scientific, nautical, surveying, photographic, cinematographic, optical, weighing, measuring, signalling, checking (supervision), life-saving and teaching apparatus and instruments; apparatus and instruments for conducting, switching, transforming, accumulating, regulating or controlling electricity; apparatus for recording, transmission or reproduction of sound or images; magnetic data carriers, recording discs; automatic vending machines and mechanism |
| 02:14.10 | Mikk | That's real world TomTom |
| 02:14.31 | Yasuo | hi |
| 02:14.40 | Yasuo | im using "/cast [mouseover:noharm]mymount" |
| 02:14.51 | Mikk | Class 28: Games and playthings; gymnastic and sporting articles not included in other classes; decorations for Christmas trees |
| 02:14.55 | Mikk | This is WoW TomTom |
| 02:15.02 | Yasuo | i want to mount on if there is no hattackable target under my mousecursor |
| 02:15.04 | Mikk | Different classes as per the Nice classification |
| 02:15.11 | Mikk | This classification is ratified by Germany |
| 02:15.17 | WobWork | also |
| 02:15.17 | Yasuo | why does it not work? |
| 02:15.28 | WobWork | Clad can just claim that he named it after the drums |
| 02:15.36 | WobWork | And the fact that he now resides in the UK |
| 02:15.52 | WobWork | would make C&D diffiicult across the pond |
| 02:16.21 | Mikk | well, the USA also ratified it |
| 02:24.06 | WobWork | and 1) It's a nonprofit software project |
| 02:24.22 | WobWork | 2) The methodology used is -not- the same as the GPS TomTom |
| 02:24.25 | WobWork | which speaks directions |
| 02:24.31 | WobWork | not offers a crazy taxi arrow =) |
| 02:25.09 | WobWork | And anyone who confuses the two deserves to be directed into the opposing faction's main city =) |
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| 03:02.34 | WobWork | Stances induce a gcd, don't they? |
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| 03:05.18 | Trela | I started making another AddOn. |
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| 04:00.39 | doom0r | @project chatter |
| 04:00.41 | Repo | doom0r: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: wow, war. |
| 04:00.48 | doom0r | @project wow/chatter |
| 04:00.49 | Repo | doom0r: http://www.wowace.com/projects/chatter/. Chatter. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author), grum (Author). Updated: 22 days ago. Tickets: 16/23 |
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| 04:44.08 | NeoTron | @project magic-comm |
| 04:44.09 | Repo | NeoTron: http://www.wowace.com/projects/magic-comm/. MagicComm. Game: WoW. Status: Abandoned. (Automatic) Abandoned since out-of-date for 60 days.. dhedbor (Manager/Author). Updated: 61 days ago |
| 04:44.22 | NeoTron | so err why is that abandoned? it doesn't change, why does it need updates? |
| 04:45.05 | Shefki | Probably needs TOC bumping |
| 04:45.08 | ckknight | the latest release version isn't 3.0-compliant |
| 04:45.26 | NeoTron | there are no release versions |
| 04:45.32 | NeoTron | because it's a library, not something to release |
| 04:45.34 | ckknight | beta, then |
| 04:46.25 | NeoTron | and I still think being forced to publish to curse.com is rather silly |
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| 05:16.40 | WobWork | Tekkub: *ping* |
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| 05:31.54 | Skellum | Whats a good scrolling combat text, that isnt parrot...or well SCT |
| 05:32.04 | Skellum | I like parrot...its just not been updated in forever |
| 05:34.31 | WobWork | MSBT? |
| 05:35.08 | Skellum | msbt? |
| 05:35.34 | Skellum | MikScrollingBattleText? |
| 05:36.04 | WobWork | ueah |
| 05:37.46 | WobWork | Author is Mikord, not Mikma or Mikk =) |
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| 05:44.27 | oreth | sup, antiarc? |
| 05:44.43 | Antiarc | Yo |
| 05:44.53 | Antiarc | Trying to figure out why I have massive HD thrash |
| 05:45.05 | Antiarc | So I'm pretty much just reconstructing my sustem |
| 05:45.22 | oreth | my wife is watchin a show on TLC "Mermaid Girl" about a girl who was born with her legs fused together and no vagina... she's a mermaid. |
| 05:45.35 | oreth | and on futurama.... it's the one where fry falls in love with a mermaid |
| 05:45.39 | oreth | coincidence? |
| 05:45.41 | oreth | maybe. |
| 05:45.45 | oreth | awesome coincidence? |
| 05:45.47 | oreth | totally. |
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| 06:44.55 | doom0r | odd |
| 06:45.12 | doom0r | bt4 is putting crusader aura on another row all of the sudden |
| 06:46.37 | doom0r | i'm guessing related to 95be5c2: Adjusted behaviour of the calculation of Rows/ButtonPerRow on non-divisible rows |
| 06:50.43 | doom0r | that indeed was it |
| 06:50.49 | doom0r | nevcairiel: ping ^ |
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| 07:08.02 | Fisker- | lets harass nevcairiel |
| 07:08.07 | Fisker- | amirite doom0r ? |
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| 07:08.31 | doom0r | indeed |
| 07:08.39 | doom0r | i always enjoy in you ending up getting kicked |
| 07:08.51 | Fisker- | :) |
| 07:08.58 | Fisker- | i lol'd btw |
| 07:09.05 | Fisker- | someone yesterday told me he was using bartender3 |
| 07:09.32 | Fisker- | I thought WotLK support was ditched in Bartender3 and became Bartender4 :o |
| 07:18.51 | doom0r | mm, can't wait to get to orgrimmar at 6 |
| 07:19.24 | sacarasc | old |
| 07:19.39 | doom0r | ? |
| 07:19.55 | sacarasc | Mon Dec 15 07:19:51 GMT 2008 |
| 07:19.56 | sacarasc | ;p |
| 07:20.23 | doom0r | i doubt it |
| 07:21.03 | sacarasc | you doubt I live in the UK? |
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| 07:22.24 | doom0r | posting a gmt timestamp has nothing to do with being in the UK |
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| 07:23.14 | doom0r | besides, /time in wow is all that matters :P |
| 07:23.16 | sacarasc | sure it does, unless i wasn't too lazy to do TZ=GMT |
| 07:23.33 | sacarasc | that's in CET (0823) |
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| 07:33.42 | Trela | WTB Anti-Sway Bar for WoW. |
| 07:33.47 | Trela | WTB Anti-Rock Sway Bar for WoW. |
| 07:34.06 | Trela | The joke will probably not make sense to any one here any way. |
| 07:38.23 | Elkano | you want to throw Rocks at Jokers? |
| 07:38.45 | ckknight | ...yes? |
| 07:40.22 | Trela | Off roading technology applied to WoW AddOns. :P |
| 07:41.01 | doom0r | sway bars are on all cars |
| 07:41.02 | Skellum | I want to know why my server can hold WG for all of the day, but every night once 1am hits everyones brains fall out their asses until about 9am |
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| 07:43.13 | Trela | There is a specialty sway bar for off roading vehicles called the Anti-Rock and the Rock library is giving me a fit at the moment, so I want to buy a Anti-Rock Sway Bar. :P |
| 07:44.14 | Elkano | why did I read sway in think swear? |
| 07:48.35 | Arrowmaster | Trela: so dont use it? |
| 07:48.49 | Trela | Arrowmaster: It was a really bad joke. |
| 07:49.13 | Arrowmaster | i ment the rock library, so dont use it |
| 07:49.49 | Trela | I fixed it. |
| 07:50.20 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt even be using rock now |
| 07:50.28 | Trela | FuBar. :( |
| 07:50.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah but you still dont have to use it for any of your addons |
| 07:51.29 | Trela | The only one I use it for is my map AddOn, but I am still tinkering trying to make the Ace3 port work 100% before I switch. |
| 07:52.01 | Arrowmaster | you wrote your own map addon? |
| 07:52.08 | Trela | For the minimap, yes. |
| 07:52.30 | Trela | I was using Ace2, went Rock, punched myself, and porting to Ace3 now. |
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| 07:55.23 | Trela | Arrowmaster: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cleanminimap.aspx |
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| 08:03.11 | Repo | 10consensus: 03Hindrian * r24 Consensus.toc: Minor |
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| 08:24.42 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03xilcoy * r306 / (5 files in 3 directories): |
| 08:24.44 | Repo | Added basic support for displaying PvP events on the world map. It doesn't |
| 08:24.48 | Repo | work with cartographer yet though. |
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| 08:27.30 | Repo | 10spell-reminder: 03TrAsHeR * r185 locale/frFR.lua: frFR update |
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| 09:01.25 | Antiarc | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html |
| 09:09.15 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik * r58 Rock_Locale.lua: -fixed enUS locale |
| 09:09.42 | Trela | Antiarc: I have an old cell phone that could do that, though you had to toss it in a room and leave it there. |
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| 09:15.39 | Repo | 10smartmount: 03akazik 04b59 * r59 : Tagging as b59 |
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| 09:17.23 | sb|work | morning |
| 09:21.36 | EthanCentaurai | morning sb|work |
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| 10:21.52 | Repo | 10easyserum: 03Xinhuan 07master * v1.01-3-gb1fddfa / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 10:21.55 | Repo | b1fddfa: Update version number to v1.02 |
| 10:21.57 | Repo | 3046be9: Fix 2 translation errors in German. |
| 10:23.32 | Repo | 10easyserum: 03Xinhuan 04v1.02 * d268a91 /: [new tag] Tag release v1.02 |
| 10:23.57 | Xinhuan | @project easyserum |
| 10:23.59 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/easyserum/. EasySerum. Game: WoW. Xinhuan (Manager/Author). Updated: 112 seconds ago |
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| 10:25.03 | Trela | @project flagRSP2 |
| 10:25.05 | Repo | Trela: No project found that matches 'flagRSP2' |
| 10:25.10 | Trela | I hate you too, Repo. |
| 10:25.33 | Trela | @project flag-RSP2 |
| 10:25.35 | Repo | Trela: http://www.wowace.com/projects/flag-rsp2/. FlagRSP2. Game: WoW. Azxiana (Manager/Author). Updated: 26 hours ago. Tickets: 3/10 |
| 10:25.50 | Trela | New tickets! :O |
| 10:27.54 | Trela | Idiot tickets, but they are new! |
| 10:29.53 | mitch0 | @project range-display |
| 10:29.54 | Repo | mitch0: http://www.wowace.com/projects/range-display/. RangeDisplay. Game: WoW. mitch0 (Manager/Author). Updated: 12 days ago |
| 10:30.04 | Kalroth | Well duh, it's an addon for roleplayers. It's almost as bad as addons for PvPers. |
| 10:30.25 | Antiarc | Apparently flagRSP is a giant pile of suck |
| 10:30.36 | Antiarc | My guild is leaning on me to write a non-suck RP mod, but I don't RP. |
| 10:30.41 | Antiarc | So I really have a hard time caring. |
| 10:30.51 | Kalroth | Antiarc: I think you're lying. |
| 10:30.56 | Kalroth | I've been told that you RP a lot. |
| 10:31.09 | Antiarc | Only in the Deeprun Tram when your mom's online |
| 10:31.13 | Kalroth | I bet you hang in the tram with .. nm! |
| 10:31.27 | Antiarc | yarr yarr |
| 10:31.29 | Antiarc | hump hump |
| 10:32.12 | Kalroth | Antiarc: You should fix Mapster instead |
| 10:32.20 | Antiarc | Make Xinhuan fix mapster |
| 10:32.24 | Antiarc | And what's broken about it |
| 10:32.29 | Kalroth | He's even more lazy than you |
| 10:32.38 | Antiarc | I have a kid, what's his excuse |
| 10:32.45 | Kalroth | He got 5! |
| 10:32.46 | Arrowmaster | Mapster? why not make nevcairiel fix it if somethings wrong |
| 10:32.59 | Kalroth | You can't "zoom" in on Dalaran or has that been fixed and I'm just dumb? |
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| 10:33.09 | Arrowmaster | thats a blizzard issue |
| 10:33.15 | Arrowmaster | afaik |
| 10:33.17 | Xinhuan | dalaran zooming is a general bug that affects everyone |
| 10:33.24 | Kalroth | So there's no way to work around it? |
| 10:33.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:35.09 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.14 | Trela | Antiarc: Hey! The original flagRSP may suck, but flagRSP2 is awesome. |
| 10:35.36 | Antiarc | Just hack in a patch so that if a user clicks on certain coordinates on the screen while Crystalsong is the active zone, it changes the zone to Dalaran |
| 10:35.37 | Antiarc | Fixed |
| 10:35.45 | Antiarc | Or better yet |
| 10:35.47 | Kalroth | Antiarc: That was what I was thinking |
| 10:35.58 | Kalroth | but I've been told that there's no way to work around it |
| 10:36.21 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck |
| 10:36.26 | Antiarc | What's the name of the fontstring that holds the name of the currently hovered zone? |
| 10:36.36 | Antiarc | If that's Dalaran and they click on the map, zoom to Dalran |
| 10:36.43 | Antiarc | Problem-no-more |
| 10:37.02 | Trela | Antiarc: You were referring to the original flagRSP, correct? <.< >.> |
| 10:37.07 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: there is not font string saying dalaran, thats the entire problem |
| 10:37.21 | Antiarc | WorldMapFrameAreaLabel:GetText() |
| 10:37.24 | Antiarc | I disagree. |
| 10:37.28 | Arrowmaster | god damnit i hope i didnt lose my itemcace.wdb extracter |
| 10:37.44 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster is too negative! |
| 10:37.45 | Antiarc | onclick: If WorldMapFrameAreaLabel:GetText() == "Dalaran" then SetMapZoom(4, 3) end |
| 10:37.46 | Antiarc | All done |
| 10:37.50 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: no |
| 10:37.51 | Antiarc | Someone patch it in so I don't have to |
| 10:37.54 | Arrowmaster | it will never happen |
| 10:37.57 | Antiarc | why |
| 10:38.05 | Antiarc | Or is the click event intercepted |
| 10:38.12 | Arrowmaster | because wow never shows Dalaran when you mouse over it |
| 10:38.17 | Kalroth | uh? |
| 10:38.18 | Antiarc | It does for me. |
| 10:38.18 | Arrowmaster | because it doesnt exist to wow |
| 10:38.21 | Kalroth | It does for me. |
| 10:38.22 | Arrowmaster | doesnt for me |
| 10:38.24 | Antiarc | I can take a screenshot if you like. |
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| 10:38.30 | Trela | Arrr. |
| 10:38.33 | Adirelle|work | morning |
| 10:38.47 | Fisker- | mine only shows dalaran on the tower-icon |
| 10:39.00 | Kalroth | Yes, that's good enough for me :) |
| 10:39.02 | Antiarc | Right. If you hover the tower icon and click, you should be able to hook in a zoom |
| 10:39.07 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: A while back you were bitching at ck about some bad design decision with regard to LibRock and LibStub, what was that? |
| 10:39.10 | Antiarc | Bah, you people are going to make me do it, aren't you |
| 10:39.17 | Antiarc | Fine, I'll get a diff |
| 10:39.28 | Kalroth | Antiarc: I'll be your baby! |
| 10:39.29 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: that librock sucks |
| 10:40.00 | Arrowmaster | fuck fuck fuck |
| 10:40.13 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I'm trying to debug why the hell LibRock doesn't properly deal with multiple lib versions embedded. Was wondering if what you were bitching about was related. |
| 10:40.23 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: because its completely broken |
| 10:40.26 | Arrowmaster | just forget it |
| 10:40.30 | Arrowmaster | youll never fix it |
| 10:40.45 | Arrowmaster | its always been that way |
| 10:40.51 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, why don't u ask nevcairiel, and give him a patch ;p |
| 10:41.07 | Xinhuan | in fact, if you clone his git repo, he can even pull the patch from u hehe |
| 10:41.07 | Shefki | Surely there's a reason though. |
| 10:41.14 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: no theres no |
| 10:41.16 | Arrowmaster | not |
| 10:41.18 | Arrowmaster | rock is dead |
| 10:41.28 | Adirelle|work | librock is far more too complex |
| 10:41.40 | Adirelle|work | too many dependencies and useless stuff IMO |
| 10:41.42 | Shefki | I don't really care that you think it's dead. |
| 10:41.51 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its dead, i know its dead |
| 10:42.00 | Trela | Shefki: Dead. |
| 10:42.04 | Shefki | If you don't have any insight into the problem that's fine. But if you do I'd like to know it. |
| 10:42.07 | Antiarc | Rock's pretty much dead. |
| 10:42.12 | Trela | tries to use Rock without Ace2 installed, fails. |
| 10:42.14 | Antiarc | ckk isn't working on it |
| 10:42.22 | Arrowmaster | ckk said its dead |
| 10:42.29 | Antiarc | And there aren't any other active maintainers, or anyone developing with it |
| 10:42.32 | Antiarc | That makes it pretty dead |
| 10:42.43 | Trela | Shefki, what they are trying to tell you is to not bother fixing it and move on to Ace3. |
| 10:42.54 | Shefki | I'm not going to rewrite PitBull. |
| 10:42.56 | Xinhuan | Rock is considered dead because the author no longer updates it, the author doesn't use it anymore himself (cart3 is frameworkless), and because he said so :) |
| 10:42.59 | Shefki | I'm just trying to maintain it. |
| 10:43.09 | Arrowmaster | good luck |
| 10:43.16 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: We need to write our uber unitframe addon |
| 10:43.16 | Arrowmaster | pitbull is about as dead as rock is |
| 10:43.22 | Xinhuan | if you are trying to maintain it, then ask for permission first from the author |
| 10:43.28 | Arrowmaster | he does |
| 10:43.32 | Shefki | I have permission on PitBull |
| 10:43.36 | Xinhuan | aha |
| 10:43.39 | Xinhuan | then go ahead :) |
| 10:43.42 | Trela | PitBull makes me cry when I install it. |
| 10:43.47 | Xinhuan | i don't have an issue then |
| 10:43.48 | Arrowmaster | its still perty much dead since its a pile of crap in the frist place |
| 10:43.49 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 10:44.08 | Antiarc | PitBull's nice enough from a features-for-the-average-user standpoint |
| 10:44.09 | Xinhuan | Antiarc haha |
| 10:44.13 | Xinhuan | not so soon :( |
| 10:44.19 | Trela | PB has never heard of the words "preset layout" before. |
| 10:44.22 | Xinhuan | i need to rewrite 2 of my existing addons |
| 10:44.27 | Antiarc | Good god, I need to figure out what's up with my UI |
| 10:44.34 | Antiarc | 93 seconds to /rl |
| 10:44.43 | Xinhuan | also i haven't found time to figure out which addon is breaking my inscription interface |
| 10:44.49 | Xinhuan | i mean, my glpyh interface |
| 10:45.09 | Trela | Antiarc: Mine takes forever to reload because I have over two hundred AddOns installed. Maybe that is it?~ |
| 10:45.25 | Antiarc | Talented, GatherMate, Proximo, QuestHelper, Omen, Grid, Deadened, and Chatter are all taking 2+ seconds to load |
| 10:45.41 | Antiarc | I have 222 directories under Addons |
| 10:45.44 | Antiarc | But still |
| 10:45.47 | Arrowmaster | fuck fuck fuck |
| 10:45.47 | Antiarc | This is a little much |
| 10:45.57 | Arrowmaster | now i need to rewrite this wdb extractor |
| 10:45.58 | Antiarc | That's 2.38 seconds per addon! |
| 10:46.00 | Antiarc | Which is obscene. |
| 10:46.04 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 10:46.09 | Antiarc | Maybe it's because I'm using symlinks |
| 10:46.19 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: probably |
| 10:46.22 | Xinhuan | i load in 10 secs using a lot more addons than your list |
| 10:46.37 | Antiarc | Warmup reports those as the hoggy ones |
| 10:46.41 | Antiarc | Which makes zero sense |
| 10:46.44 | Antiarc | Something isn't right :/ |
| 10:46.46 | Xinhuan | disembedded? |
| 10:46.49 | Xinhuan | embedded? |
| 10:47.04 | Trela | Inbedwithme? |
| 10:47.07 | Trela | goes there. |
| 10:47.11 | Antiarc | Embedded, I'm gonna flip over to disembedded |
| 10:47.15 | Xinhuan | gathermate loads a 500kb file |
| 10:47.21 | Xinhuan | containing all nodes |
| 10:47.22 | Antiarc | Also, questhelper generates 60mb of garbage when it loads, freakin' lol |
| 10:47.23 | SunTsu | gets a disconnect everytime all addons are loaded after a /rl |
| 10:47.28 | Antiarc | IT really should be less usefu. |
| 10:47.30 | Antiarc | useful |
| 10:47.37 | Adirelle|work | i have some addon that causes heavy CPU use in the first 20 seconds after /rl, I'd bet it is QH |
| 10:47.41 | Xinhuan | omen is all in 1 file, so it shouldn't take long to load unless you use embedded |
| 10:48.02 | cladhaire | Antiarc: run warmup |
| 10:48.04 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: I highly suspect the issue is garbage collection, not the actual addons |
| 10:48.10 | cladhaire | oh you did |
| 10:48.11 | Antiarc | cladhaire: That's what I am running which gave me those numbers :P |
| 10:48.18 | Xinhuan | librock forces a Garbage Collection on every ADDON_LOADED isn't it? |
| 10:48.19 | cladhaire | yeah i read from the top down |
| 10:48.22 | Antiarc | Hm, I'm gonna write an addon that turns off garbage collection before any addons load |
| 10:48.25 | cladhaire | my bad |
| 10:48.31 | Antiarc | Oh, tell me it doesn't |
| 10:48.34 | cladhaire | people still use rock addons? |
| 10:48.35 | Xinhuan | but it does |
| 10:48.35 | Antiarc | That would make me v. sad |
| 10:48.41 | Antiarc | I use Pitbull, yeah |
| 10:48.43 | Xinhuan | Jerry once posted something |
| 10:48.45 | *** join/#wowace Iboong (n=user@77.87.207.194) |
| 10:48.49 | Xinhuan | to remove that GC of librock |
| 10:48.50 | Antiarc | I need to replace it but I am, as the French say, le lazy |
| 10:48.52 | Adirelle|work | PB here too, I'm considering moving to another one |
| 10:49.03 | Xinhuan | it is the core reason why Quartz takes a long time to load |
| 10:49.05 | Xinhuan | cos its 15 addons |
| 10:49.15 | Xinhuan | and each one performs a GC due to librock |
| 10:49.18 | Antiarc | I'm gonna try this little turn-off-garbage-collection-and-hook-collectgarbage-to-NOOP addon |
| 10:49.20 | Antiarc | And see if it helps |
| 10:49.23 | Adirelle|work | "le lazy" ? ^^ |
| 10:49.34 | Antiarc | Yes, I am an expert french-speaker |
| 10:49.35 | Antiarc | Obviously |
| 10:49.54 | Xinhuan | go grep for garbagecollect() in librock :p |
| 10:50.39 | cladhaire | Anyone here a good artist and willing to do a small project for me? |
| 10:51.11 | Arrowmaster | ~logs |
| 10:51.12 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 10:52.09 | Adirelle|work | hrm, what the full names of "ouf" ? |
| 10:52.20 | Xinhuan | good coder? yes. good artist? no. :) |
| 10:52.29 | Xinhuan | otravi unit frame |
| 10:52.34 | Adirelle|work | thx |
| 10:52.50 | Xinhuan | at least, i think it spelt that way |
| 10:52.53 | Xinhuan | its* |
| 10:52.57 | Antiarc | PEW is the last event before UI load is considered complete, yes? |
| 10:53.15 | Xinhuan | i think so, yes |
| 10:53.24 | Xinhuan | but some stuff is still not available at PEW |
| 10:53.28 | Xinhuan | such as chat channels |
| 10:53.31 | Xinhuan | and guild roster |
| 10:53.40 | Antiarc | That's fine |
| 10:53.42 | Antiarc | I just want post-load |
| 10:53.48 | Xinhuan | but those also retain across /rl sessions |
| 10:53.48 | Adirelle|work | damn, cannot find a link to ouf, tried curse and wowi, what am i doing wrong ? |
| 10:53.58 | Navv | wowinterface |
| 10:54.01 | Navv | should have it |
| 10:54.13 | Xinhuan | Adirelle|work |
| 10:54.13 | Xinhuan | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=oUF&btnG=Search |
| 10:54.20 | Xinhuan | see second link? |
| 10:54.22 | Adirelle|work | ok, just been an ass, nvm |
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| 10:54.49 | Adirelle|work | I searched "otravi unit frame" on wowi, where i should search "ouf"... |
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| 10:59.50 | Antiarc | Hahahaha |
| 10:59.51 | Antiarc | 03:58 Garbage collected: 175382.37988281, 896 attempts were made to collect garbage during loading |
| 11:00.13 | Antiarc | 896 gc runs. What the hell. |
| 11:00.51 | Adirelle|work | librock ! |
| 11:01.28 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r17 / (6 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 11:01.30 | Repo | MorgDKP2 |
| 11:01.33 | Repo | -added emblems of heroism/valor to ignore list |
| 11:01.35 | Repo | -added ignore list menu in database section (click to remove) |
| 11:01.38 | Repo | -added nil value check for classes to hopefully fix DK problem |
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| 11:02.00 | Antiarc | It's definitely faster, but I broke Warmup with it, so testing and I'll get a load time |
| 11:02.06 | Antiarc | But this is a massive speed boost |
| 11:02.14 | Antiarc | Not as fast as I'd like, but far faster |
| 11:02.18 | Antiarc | disembedding should help too |
| 11:03.39 | Arrowmaster | yay i have my itemcache.wdb parser back! |
| 11:03.45 | Arrowmaster | now i just have to update it again |
| 11:03.47 | Adirelle|work | just search for collectgarbage in librock, that's just scary |
| 11:03.58 | Antiarc | I trust you, I'm just fixing it |
| 11:04.22 | Arrowmaster | fyi, never store important scripts inside your WoW/Cache/WDB/enUS dir |
| 11:04.25 | Adirelle|work | i think it try to GC after every addon loading and library updates |
| 11:04.29 | Antiarc | Hahahahahah |
| 11:04.38 | Antiarc | 32 seconds |
| 11:04.49 | Antiarc | Hooking collectgarbage cut my UI load time from 93 seconds to 32 seconds |
| 11:04.55 | Antiarc | Committing this bad boy |
| 11:05.01 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: hmm grep your addon folder |
| 11:05.11 | Arrowmaster | if its just librock ill kill it |
| 11:07.04 | Antiarc | Auctioneer, BigWigs, CurseProfiler, Enchantrix, oRA2, Rock, DogTag, QuestHelper, Recount, Spyglass |
| 11:07.09 | Antiarc | Those aren't all necessarily on startup |
| 11:07.16 | Antiarc | Just the things that use collectgarbage("collect") |
| 11:07.42 | sb|work | Antiarc: so you stop gc during loading and then make 1 gc to get all? |
| 11:07.45 | Xinhuan | u can just grep and remove the GC() crap from librock |
| 11:07.46 | Arrowmaster | is it just librock-1.0 or other rocks too |
| 11:09.01 | Arrowmaster | repeat |
| 11:09.01 | Arrowmaster | lastCount = collectgarbage('count') |
| 11:09.01 | Arrowmaster | collectgarbage('collect') |
| 11:09.01 | Arrowmaster | until lastCount == collectgarbage('count') |
| 11:09.06 | Arrowmaster | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 11:09.18 | Antiarc | .......what the hell? |
| 11:09.26 | groktard | gently pats Antiarc |
| 11:09.26 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: die |
| 11:09.36 | Antiarc | Do full sweeps until you get no garbage collected for the sweep? |
| 11:10.06 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:10.21 | Antiarc | Augh. |
| 11:10.24 | Xinhuan | you mean you didn't know? |
| 11:10.25 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 11:10.30 | Antiarc | Welp. |
| 11:10.31 | Shot | please don't tell me that's somewhere in init, slowing down thousands of people's startup |
| 11:10.32 | Antiarc | That explains a lot. |
| 11:10.35 | Antiarc | Yes, it is. |
| 11:10.39 | Xinhuan | it was discussed on the wowace forums about a year ago |
| 11:10.39 | Antiarc | After every addon loads. |
| 11:10.50 | Xinhuan | by jerry |
| 11:11.33 | Antiarc | Yeah, I'm consistently at 32 sec loads now |
| 11:11.38 | Antiarc | So I shaved a full minute off of my load time |
| 11:11.41 | Antiarc | Victoly. |
| 11:12.00 | Shefki | So dead it's slowing your load time from the grave. |
| 11:12.32 | Fisker- | why so victoly? |
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| 11:12.49 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: this is why its dead, its bad |
| 11:12.59 | Arrowmaster | that the sooner nobody uses it the better |
| 11:13.41 | Fisker- | need proper replacement for cowtip :E |
| 11:14.21 | Shefki | Here's the thing. CK may write some crappy code but he does have a clue how to write the features in a form people want. You'll never get rid of LibRock until you can replace the stuff he's made. |
| 11:14.45 | Repo | 10zoom: 03Antiarc 07master * c4acdc7 / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. Go forth and have less sucky load times. |
| 11:14.54 | Arrowmaster | zoom? |
| 11:14.57 | Shefki | And to be blunt, a lot of the replacements suck. data broker, I'm looking at you. |
| 11:14.58 | Antiarc | Zoom!!! |
| 11:15.04 | Shot | awesome |
| 11:15.05 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: but that loads last |
| 11:15.06 | Antiarc | Because it makes your UI go faster |
| 11:15.19 | Antiarc | Fisker-: Because hooking collectgarbage shaved a full minute off my UI load time |
| 11:15.31 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: The folder name is !!!Zoom!!! |
| 11:15.36 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 11:15.36 | Antiarc | I need to add a package-as I guess |
| 11:15.39 | Civrock | Reminds me of Mazda commercials. |
| 11:15.40 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:15.46 | Fisker- | Antiarc but what about the L :3 |
| 11:16.35 | Antiarc | What about the L |
| 11:17.31 | Repo | 10zoom: 03Antiarc 07master * 87ef990 .pkgmeta: [+2 commits] |
| 11:17.33 | Repo | 87ef990: YAML seems to dislike unquoted BANG BANG BANGs |
| 11:17.35 | Repo | 4cb14c0: Add .pkgmeta so that the addon actually loads before everything else |
| 11:18.17 | Fisker- | "VictoLy" |
| 11:18.22 | Fisker- | instead of Victory :3 |
| 11:19.12 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 11:20.27 | Shefki | THat collectgarbage loop is only supposed to be trigger by the unittest code. Wonder why it's happening alwayys. |
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| 11:21.16 | Antiarc | I added an image |
| 11:21.18 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/projects/zoom/images/1-zoom-zoon/ |
| 11:21.18 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: can you test something else for me? |
| 11:21.21 | Antiarc | Sure |
| 11:21.21 | Xinhuan | very cute, Antiarc ;p |
| 11:21.26 | Xinhuan | but why is hooking it needed |
| 11:21.37 | Xinhuan | just commenting out the GC stuff in librock should be sufficient |
| 11:21.41 | Shot | We.re sorry, you.ve attempted to access a page that you.re not allowed to access. |
| 11:21.48 | Antiarc | Because it prevents natural GC during the load cycle too |
| 11:21.52 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: LibRock-1.0, line 301 local collectgarbage = function() return 0 end |
| 11:21.56 | Antiarc | Oh, someone approve the project |
| 11:21.57 | Arrowmaster | and disable zoom |
| 11:22.01 | Xinhuan | natural GC should be fine tbh |
| 11:22.15 | Antiarc | Sure, but there's no real need for it unless you have 512mb of RAM |
| 11:22.18 | Xinhuan | i'll approve it ;p |
| 11:22.22 | Fisker- | share imaeg Antiarc |
| 11:22.32 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: test loading time with that change and no zoom |
| 11:22.32 | Antiarc | http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mazda6-2008-sedan-front-stationary-110907.jpg <-- image |
| 11:22.58 | Xinhuan | done |
| 11:22.59 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/zoom/. Zoom!!!. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Approved by Xinhuan. |
| 11:23.03 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/winemenu/. Wine Menu. mlue (Manager/Author). Approved by Xinhuan. |
| 11:23.05 | Xinhuan | whoa |
| 11:23.08 | Xinhuan | it reports that now? |
| 11:23.11 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:23.15 | Antiarc | Well |
| 11:23.17 | Arrowmaster | but we never approve stuff in wowace |
| 11:23.22 | Antiarc | LibRockConfig collects garbage on a timer :V |
| 11:23.26 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 11:23.29 | Arrowmaster | fucking a |
| 11:23.34 | Antiarc | Line 975 |
| 11:23.37 | Xinhuan | /me chuckles |
| 11:23.44 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: die die die |
| 11:23.54 | Antiarc | So I'm just gonna not bother with the LibRock modifications and just run Zoom |
| 11:23.58 | Shefki | You talking about the OnUpdate? |
| 11:24.02 | Antiarc | Because I don't want to spend all night chasing down collects |
| 11:24.03 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 11:24.09 | Shefki | That's a one time run OnUpdate. |
| 11:24.14 | Fisker- | takes me exactly 25 seconds to login |
| 11:24.31 | cladhaire | hrm, does not show up in the curse client |
| 11:24.41 | Antiarc | No it's not |
| 11:24.42 | Fisker- | probably needs to be some kind of update :P |
| 11:24.52 | Antiarc | The OnUpdate script is never nulled |
| 11:24.53 | Xinhuan | cladhaire, i think it takes about 5-10 min to sync with curse.. from wowace that is |
| 11:25.00 | cladhaire | yeah boo |
| 11:25.30 | Shot | the www.wowace.com/projects/zoom direct download link works fine |
| 11:25.38 | cladhaire | yes, I was being lazy |
| 11:25.43 | Shot | :) |
| 11:26.41 | Xinhuan | btw Antiarc |
| 11:26.48 | Antiarc | Sup |
| 11:26.49 | Xinhuan | i want to point out naming the folder !!!Zoom!!! |
| 11:26.52 | Xinhuan | only works on NTFS disks ;p |
| 11:27.06 | Xinhuan | because NTFS disks returns folder names in alphabetical order |
| 11:27.09 | Antiarc | I know :/ |
| 11:27.16 | Xinhuan | as it uses a binary tree |
| 11:27.19 | Antiarc | How do you guarantee first load on non-NTFS? |
| 11:27.28 | Arrowmaster | doesnt it work on osx10 default filesystem too? |
| 11:27.39 | Xinhuan | you can gaurantee it by running a defrag utility that sorts FAT32 entries by alphabtical order |
| 11:27.47 | Shot | 23 seconds load without zoom, 20 seconds with :o |
| 11:27.52 | Xinhuan | i.e NOT windows defrag ;p |
| 11:27.57 | Shot | funny, i thought my load times were much longer than that |
| 11:28.12 | Xinhuan | assuming the disk is FAT32 that is |
| 11:28.22 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure how other OSes handle file systems |
| 11:28.34 | Fisker- | QQ Antiarc |
| 11:28.37 | Shot | at one point months ago, i could go downstairs and put the kettle on and it'd only be half loaded when i came back up |
| 11:28.41 | Fisker- | only shaved 1 second from my loadtime |
| 11:28.44 | cladhaire | default UI takes 6.81 seconds to load from character select |
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| 11:29.19 | Antiarc | It'll benefit you more if you have big ol' memory hog mods |
| 11:29.20 | Xinhuan | alternatively, Antiarc, the only other option is to have every other addon reqdep Zoom |
| 11:29.35 | Antiarc | Well if you're on FAT32 you deserve what you get |
| 11:30.13 | Arrowmaster | just add 'LoadWith: Ace2, Ace3, LibRock-1.0, !Swatter' |
| 11:30.49 | Antiarc | To the TOC? |
| 11:30.53 | Antiarc | I didn't realize LoadWith was valid |
| 11:31.22 | Antiarc | Also only works if you disembed those |
| 11:31.30 | Antiarc | So Joe Average on Windows 95 is still boned |
| 11:31.53 | Antiarc | Granted he's on Windows 95 so it's probably a 200 MHz Pentium III |
| 11:32.00 | Antiarc | So UI load is going to take 6 hours anyway |
| 11:32.16 | cladhaire | low-hanging fruit |
| 11:32.20 | cladhaire | help those who are easy to help :P |
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| 11:34.50 | cladhaire | it seems to help me, had 80 garbage collections for some reasons |
| 11:34.59 | cladhaire | and i certainly dont use rock :P |
| 11:35.09 | Antiarc | Does the natural GC invoke collectgarbage? |
| 11:35.26 | Antiarc | Or does it use a lower-level method? |
| 11:35.27 | cladhaire | no, it uses the Lua C API to do it |
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| 11:35.30 | Antiarc | ie, would the hook catch that |
| 11:35.33 | Antiarc | Right. Figured as much. |
| 11:36.15 | haste | 1235.21| Garbage collected: 1.91 kb, 1 attempts were made to collect garbage, loading took 1.12 seconds |
| 11:36.19 | haste | not so useful here I think D: |
| 11:36.23 | Antiarc | Well |
| 11:36.42 | Antiarc | All your mods are stupid lean, so I'm not surprised >_> |
| 11:36.46 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:36.48 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:36.50 | Megalon | haste: same here ;c |
| 11:36.51 | Fisker- | lets all hate haste |
| 11:36.58 | Megalon | lets all kill Fisker- |
| 11:36.59 | Antiarc | Haste is pretty worthless in WotLK |
| 11:37.07 | Antiarc | Its relative value plummeted for me |
| 11:37.09 | Megalon | but haste is on pretty much everything |
| 11:37.25 | sylvanaar | oh a haste fight |
| 11:37.35 | cladhaire | haste: O.o |
| 11:37.43 | sylvanaar | haste is awesome |
| 11:37.44 | haste | D: |
| 11:37.44 | Arrowmaster | $ git clone git@git.wowace.com:wow/zoom/mainline.git \!\!\!Zoom\!\!\! |
| 11:37.49 | cladhaire | haste: loading your entire UI takes 1/6 the time loading my default UI takes |
| 11:37.51 | cladhaire | wtfzors. |
| 11:37.52 | Fisker- | i haven't done anything Megalon :E |
| 11:37.56 | Arrowmaster | bastard making me have to remember to escape |
| 11:38.07 | haste | cladhaire: I blame linux |
| 11:38.08 | Antiarc | Hahah |
| 11:38.12 | cladhaire | me too! |
| 11:38.21 | Shot | i blame it for everything |
| 11:38.22 | cladhaire | tho I wouldn't expect the mac to be that terrible |
| 11:38.27 | haste | this is in AV also |
| 11:38.33 | Shot | my coffee has gone cold, damn you linux! |
| 11:38.42 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.45 | sylvanaar | so his ui load takes 1 sec? |
| 11:38.54 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.02 | sylvanaar | thats what i read |
| 11:39.04 | Arrowmaster | 2 minute login time after modifing rock but before installing zoom |
| 11:39.09 | Arrowmaster | restarting wow now |
| 11:39.16 | sylvanaar | what is zoom? |
| 11:39.22 | Antiarc | @project zoom |
| 11:39.23 | Repo | Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/projects/zoom/. Zoom!!!. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 21 minutes ago |
| 11:39.30 | sylvanaar | cliffnotes? |
| 11:39.41 | Antiarc | Hooks collectgarbage so that your UI doesn't get raped during load |
| 11:39.51 | Antiarc | Reduced my UI load time from 93 seconds to 32 seconds |
| 11:40.05 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 11:40.14 | Antiarc | Mostly because Rock spams collectgarbage like Chinese gold seller |
| 11:40.28 | Fisker- | thats the way i like it |
| 11:40.34 | Shot | Hmm. my choices (from lfg) for a DTK run are.. rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue or rogue. |
| 11:40.51 | sylvanaar | i think you should just wrap your main chunk in a closure and execute it later |
| 11:41.12 | Antiarc | Why? I want it executed ASAP |
| 11:41.24 | sylvanaar | during load? you really need it then? |
| 11:41.29 | Antiarc | That's the point? |
| 11:41.48 | Antiarc | Hook collectgarbage before anything can get to it, then run a single pass after everything is done loading. |
| 11:42.27 | sylvanaar | ok, i wasnt talking about *your* main chunk |
| 11:42.29 | Antiarc | Also, someone said that the Curse Client alpha 5 had nolib support, but I am not seeing it. |
| 11:42.42 | Antiarc | Oh, in general |
| 11:42.46 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 11:43.30 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: you broke warmup |
| 11:43.37 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 11:43.41 | Antiarc | Bah. |
| 11:43.45 | Antiarc | I will check it again. |
| 11:43.52 | Antiarc | Oh, right |
| 11:43.59 | Antiarc | Because I hacked my copy of Warmup to not break :V |
| 11:44.07 | Arrowmaster | you return nil |
| 11:44.10 | Arrowmaster | 06:42:28 Garbage collected: 29.95 kb, 595 attempts were made to collect garbage, loading took 58.90 seconds |
| 11:44.16 | Arrowmaster | ok removing my rock hacks for fun |
| 11:44.41 | Antiarc | What was your time with no hacks and no zoom? |
| 11:45.08 | Arrowmaster | 2 minutes |
| 11:45.35 | Arrowmaster | er 2 minutes with hacks |
| 11:45.35 | sb|work | Antiarc: nolib in CC? WHERE? :p |
| 11:45.35 | Antiarc | That's what someone said in #curseforge |
| 11:45.38 | sb|work | err and... is nolib == w/o externals? |
| 11:45.40 | Antiarc | I'm looking for it myself |
| 11:45.42 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 11:46.00 | sb|work | but nolib sounds like you have to install all libs by yourself!? |
| 11:46.23 | Arrowmaster | 620 attempts in 30 seconds without hacks |
| 11:46.27 | Arrowmaster | but that was a reload |
| 11:47.01 | ramoz | sb|work: you do, its not like WAU did, fetching libs automagically |
| 11:47.03 | Arrowmaster | sb|work: you dont already? |
| 11:47.58 | Arrowmaster | 06:47:26 Garbage collected: 29.83 kb, 26 attempts were made to collect garbage, loading took 44.05 seconds |
| 11:48.02 | Arrowmaster | thats with no rock hacks |
| 11:48.08 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 11:48.21 | Arrowmaster | must be warmup that caused the huge number of calls |
| 11:48.31 | sylvanaar | probably |
| 11:48.39 | sylvanaar | thats how it knows how much memory gets used |
| 11:49.10 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: is that counting calls to collectgarbage("collect") or just all collectgarbage calls? |
| 11:50.01 | Antiarc | All collectgarbage calls |
| 11:50.09 | Antiarc | I could make it count collect or step I guess |
| 11:50.35 | sb|work | Arrowmaster: mhh no!? libs are embedded - so no need for me to fetch them :p |
| 11:50.59 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: just checked and collect returned 0 and step false btw |
| 11:51.01 | sb|work | Antiarc: CC beta 5!? or is it beta 15? :p (we are at 2.0.0.14, aren't we? :P) |
| 11:51.05 | Arrowmaster | not sure if that changes |
| 11:51.27 | Arrowmaster | 2.0.0.14 is old |
| 11:51.31 | Antiarc | I'm on 2.1.0.0 |
| 11:51.36 | Antiarc | Alpha 5 |
| 11:51.46 | Antiarc | http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.1.0.0.Alpha5.exe |
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| 11:51.54 | sylvanaar | those links never work for me |
| 11:51.58 | Antiarc | Well, updating my addons got me to 23 sec load time :O |
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| 11:52.39 | omega | is there a 2.1 for mac as well? |
| 11:52.39 | Antiarc | I'm not sure I can fix Warmup without making Rock infinite loop |
| 11:53.16 | Xinhuan | or fix rock |
| 11:53.22 | sylvanaar | what is rock doing? |
| 11:53.53 | Antiarc | Look at timestamp 3:07 AM PST |
| 11:53.53 | Xinhuan | repeat lastCount = collectgarbage('count') collectgarbage('collect') until lastCount == collectgarbage('count') |
| 11:53.58 | Xinhuan | it does that ;p |
| 11:54.18 | sylvanaar | just take that out |
| 11:54.20 | Xinhuan | on every ADDON_LOADED i think |
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| 11:55.49 | sylvanaar | im sure its there for non-technical reasons |
| 11:56.50 | Xinhuan | its there so that your quartz takes 2 seconds to load instead of 0.2 seconds |
| 11:57.48 | Fisker- | hahahha wtf |
| 11:57.51 | sylvanaar | its there for: morons with memory meters (tm) |
| 11:58.01 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: that wont inf loop |
| 11:58.02 | Fisker- | someone on our server was putting up snowballs for 20g a stack and advertising it in trade |
| 11:58.23 | Fisker- | So to make fun of him i said "Trading 1s for your 20g i'm at the bank in dalaran" |
| 11:58.29 | Fisker- | Then someone traded me 20g :o |
| 11:59.10 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: well it wont inf loop if you dont make collectgarbage('count') return the true value, but i could just remove that from rock for you |
| 11:59.12 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: It will if I return an incremented value each for each call of collectgarbage |
| 11:59.41 | Arrowmaster | why would you do that? |
| 11:59.49 | Antiarc | To fix Warmup :V |
| 11:59.52 | sylvanaar | why dont you just take out that code |
| 12:00.02 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock * r132 / (3 files in 1 directory): add in a version checker |
| 12:00.09 | sylvanaar | you will probably create more problems thank you fix |
| 12:00.14 | Antiarc | If I just return 0 or 1 or some static number Warmup never sets its marginal addons because the delta is always 0 |
| 12:01.24 | Mikk | Just take that stuff out of rock |
| 12:01.27 | Mikk | It slows down loading |
| 12:01.29 | Mikk | Problem fixed |
| 12:01.59 | Mikk | WoW has a very nice incremental garbage collect logic now that collects when I'm just sitting on my ass doing nothing |
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| 12:02.14 | Mikk | I prefer if it doesn't collect garbage while addons are being loaded |
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| 12:03.39 | Fisker- | "I get the sense sometimes that players expect (or at least want) us to attack problems based on which is the most pressing problem. That is definitely an important consideration. But it is all about triage." |
| 12:03.40 | Fisker- | fail |
| 12:04.36 | orionshock | if blizzard thinks they can play the customer service card at this point... they are delusional |
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| 12:09.08 | Repo | 10librock-1-0: 03Shefki * r295 LibRock-1.0.lua: Stop forcing garbage collection ever. |
| 12:09.14 | Shefki | There now you can stop having a cow about it. |
| 12:09.41 | Antiarc | Welp I'm down from 93 seconds to 23 seconds load-in time |
| 12:09.44 | Antiarc | So I'm pretty happy |
| 12:09.51 | Antiarc | And now I'm off for a bit |
| 12:09.53 | Xinhuan | now u only need to retag every addon that uses librock, Shefki ;p |
| 12:10.07 | sylvanaar | aint tags great |
| 12:10.09 | Shefki | I'll actually probably be doing some of that. |
| 12:10.19 | Shefki | Once I fix some LibRock stuff that I'm working on. |
| 12:10.26 | Shefki | But I'm not going to do it for the collectgarbage junk. |
| 12:13.25 | Shefki | sylvanaar: Speaking of tags, tag Prat-3.0 so that the PlayerNames module crap is fixed in a release version. |
| 12:13.39 | sylvanaar | what |
| 12:13.40 | Shefki | Or beta or whatever. |
| 12:13.58 | Shefki | PlayerNames craps out, you already fixed it in svn. |
| 12:14.18 | Shefki | But the current version on curseclient is still got the messed up code. |
| 12:15.48 | sylvanaar | how did i fix it? |
| 12:16.08 | Arrowmaster | hmm now would probably be a good time to put the small eggs i farmed last year on the AH |
| 12:16.12 | Shefki | It was building some table from the Guild Roster on loading, you removed it. |
| 12:16.19 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 12:16.32 | Shot | Arrowmaster: i'm selling them at 20g per 5 :) |
| 12:16.34 | sylvanaar | yeah, that was stupid |
| 12:16.34 | Shefki | When I load in, it would error out because of some nil issue when it built that table. |
| 12:16.54 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/wkgumu.jpg <-y so srs? |
| 12:17.16 | Shefki | I started to bug you about it and then decided to look at SVN and saw it was fixed and just edited around the issue. But thought I'd bug you to fix it on curse. :) |
| 12:17.21 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 04RC9 * r172 : Tagging as RC9 |
| 12:17.46 | Shefki | ty |
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| 12:18.12 | sylvanaar | it jsut would make an error, but run normally though right |
| 12:18.43 | Shefki | Everything but stuff that PlayerNames module implemented since the error was in the init stuff. |
| 12:18.58 | Shefki | I noticed because it broke tab complete on player names. |
| 12:19.05 | Repo | 10malygos-helper: 03Zeksie * r6 MalygosHelper.lua: |
| 12:19.07 | Repo | MalygosHelper: Removed debug message. Fixed ordering of list (you should be at top now, and list sorted alpha). |
| 12:19.25 | Groktar | TIMMAY |
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| 12:20.42 | Fisker- | giev screenies Zeksie or i don't believe you |
| 12:23.51 | Arrowmaster | bah 19g at the barber shop to make myself look like greatfather winter |
| 12:25.03 | sylvanaar | i like failbot |
| 12:25.15 | sylvanaar | that thing is funny |
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| 12:26.05 | thul | I just made myself look like myself at the barber shop :-P |
| 12:27.51 | sylvanaar | seems like you just need a good macro for the malygos fight, that can use the drake abilities and help with targeting |
| 12:28.07 | Arrowmaster | or you can not use a macro and not fail |
| 12:28.07 | Fisker- | screeeeeeeeeeeeeenieeeeeeeeeeeeees Zeksie |
| 12:28.22 | Zeksie | i forgot to take some.. :( |
| 12:29.04 | sylvanaar | sure, thats how I have done it |
| 12:30.05 | Shefki | Most of the sucking I've seen on that fight is not in using the ability it's in moving out of the stupid static thing. |
| 12:30.25 | Shefki | Apparently strafing is hard. |
| 12:30.27 | sylvanaar | its been targeting |
| 12:30.55 | Groktar | <Arrowmaster> or you can not use a macro and not fail |
| 12:30.56 | Arrowmaster | how hard is it to click the big giant blue dragon |
| 12:31.22 | Groktar | also make sure to clear your target and target him again at the beginning |
| 12:31.25 | Shefki | I'm guessing he means for healers. They need to have a drake targeted to use the aoe heal. |
| 12:31.28 | sylvanaar | see |
| 12:31.31 | Groktar | o |
| 12:31.39 | Groktar | just heal themselves |
| 12:31.47 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 12:31.59 | Shefki | Yeah that's what I do. Just target my drake and heal myself. |
| 12:32.26 | Xinhuan | what, macros are needed for malygos? |
| 12:32.29 | Xinhuan | laughs |
| 12:32.36 | Groktar | my guild has problems with people just sitting in the big spark thingy |
| 12:32.49 | Shefki | That's exactly the problem we tend to have. |
| 12:32.54 | Arrowmaster | http://arrowmaster.net/screens/WoWScrnShot_121508_072723.jpg |
| 12:33.01 | Arrowmaster | wtb sign with yellow ! on it |
| 12:33.21 | Xinhuan | just have 1 person call out "everyone should be flying south" "south west now" "west now" "north west now" |
| 12:33.29 | Xinhuan | not very hard huh |
| 12:33.30 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 12:34.00 | Shefki | I tend to think people should be able to see the spark coming and like move on their own. |
| 12:34.04 | Groktar | we just keep moving left |
| 12:34.09 | Shefki | Rather than have someone holding their hands telling them what to do. |
| 12:34.27 | Repo | 10cromulent: 03phyber 04v1.2.5 * 64901f9 /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.2.5 |
| 12:34.29 | sylvanaar | i just saw a commit to malygos helper |
| 12:34.31 | Xinhuan | unfortunately, the reality is that doesn't happen :p |
| 12:34.38 | Groktar | i figure i'm doing my job because my thingy starts ticking at like 27k and i'm the last one to die |
| 12:34.44 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Distinguishing north from south is a hard thing to do, just ask blizzard's quest writers, they know all about it |
| 12:34.56 | sylvanaar | i was responding to that |
| 12:35.11 | Xinhuan | i don't know SunTsu, i had people ask me which is left and which is right in my addon EasySerum |
| 12:35.17 | sylvanaar | how about the raid frames work |
| 12:35.24 | sylvanaar | that'd be nice |
| 12:35.27 | sylvanaar | or |
| 12:35.34 | Fisker- | how do you shot costume Arrowmaster ? |
| 12:35.45 | sylvanaar | when you target yourself, and get combo points |
| 12:35.53 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: its my costume |
| 12:36.06 | Fisker- | give it to me |
| 12:36.13 | Arrowmaster | BoP |
| 12:36.14 | Shefki | raid frames you mean the pets health would show instead of the players? |
| 12:36.20 | Fisker- | GIIIIIIIIIIIEV |
| 12:36.33 | sylvanaar | the switcheroo really is distracting |
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| 12:36.41 | Xinhuan | that's acutally not possible in non-default frames |
| 12:36.59 | Xinhuan | cos the default UI performs :SetAttribute("unit", "pet") |
| 12:37.04 | Xinhuan | on entering vehicles |
| 12:37.08 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 12:37.09 | Xinhuan | which is in secure code |
| 12:37.12 | Xinhuan | no addon can do that |
| 12:37.33 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: get your own gloves of the hypnotic flame and infernoweave robe |
| 12:37.34 | sylvanaar | maybe the new fancy secuere evironment can |
| 12:37.43 | Pneumatus | until they change the secure environment anyway |
| 12:37.58 | Pneumatus | i know pastamancer has a post up on the suggestions thread to allow it |
| 12:38.00 | Xinhuan | well i mean in current 3.0.3 |
| 12:38.03 | Xinhuan | no addon can do it |
| 12:38.15 | Fisker- | i'm guessing you bought a character recustomization then Arrowmaster? :D |
| 12:38.22 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 12:38.38 | Arrowmaster | just went to the barber |
| 12:38.48 | sylvanaar | do any of you use the secure environment stuff yet? |
| 12:39.07 | Shefki | It's on my todo list to mess with. |
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| 12:39.39 | Shot | i'm considering changing my tauren druid to female |
| 12:39.49 | sylvanaar | heh |
| 12:40.00 | Shot | but i'm having a hard time justifying $15 |
| 12:40.21 | sylvanaar | when are they implementing the multi-spec thing |
| 12:40.28 | Shot | i spend 99% of my time in cat/travel/tree form anyway |
| 12:40.31 | Shefki | One of the people in my guild turned their male dwarf paladin into a female, just becuase they thought it would be funny to be female in arena. |
| 12:40.47 | syeren | Since the latest Prat update. |
| 12:40.53 | syeren | Random people don't have brackets around their name... |
| 12:41.05 | syeren | I've tried without the only other addon that would affect names too ;/ |
| 12:41.09 | Shefki | latest prat update as in the one in the last few minutes? |
| 12:41.37 | sylvanaar | um |
| 12:42.23 | sylvanaar | what do you mean |
| 12:42.51 | syeren | [12:39:18] [1] Xeotic: LF Tank and Healer Bf |
| 12:42.58 | syeren | And I have square brackets around names. |
| 12:43.06 | syeren | Or did until the latest alpha. |
| 12:43.23 | syeren | Keep getting that error I posted to you yesterday, but no idea what addon would be doing that. |
| 12:43.26 | sylvanaar | er |
| 12:44.34 | syeren | POsted it again ;p |
| 12:45.03 | syeren | I'll try RC9 anyways. |
| 12:45.14 | syeren | Which is the same build :/ |
| 12:45.15 | syeren | Hmm. |
| 12:45.20 | Shefki | RC9 is doing the same thing for me. |
| 12:45.27 | sylvanaar | what |
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| 12:45.33 | Shefki | And I'm getting an error about wholib being nil too now. |
| 12:45.46 | Shefki | No brackets around names. |
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| 12:46.34 | syeren | Yeah, exact same here Shefki. |
| 12:46.35 | syeren | :p |
| 12:46.42 | syeren | I reported it last night and got told another addon was doing it :< |
| 12:47.26 | sylvanaar | i dont see how it can be nil |
| 12:47.41 | Shefki | Yeah I'm looking at the line too I don't get it either. |
| 12:48.06 | Shefki | ..\AddOns\Prat-3.0\modules\PlayerNames.lua line 998: |
| 12:48.09 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.17 | Shefki | Sorry meant that to be one line. |
| 12:48.19 | Pneumatus | also getting many of that error ^^ |
| 12:48.55 | Shefki | But the odd thing is that line is protected by a test for it not being nil. |
| 12:51.01 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r173 modules/PlayerNames.lua: precedence error |
| 12:51.05 | sylvanaar | try now |
| 12:51.52 | Shefki | ahh it was grouping the and lol |
| 12:52.32 | Shefki | Hopefully the world server will come back up now. |
| 12:52.46 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r174 modules/PlayerNames.lua: conditional clause ordering error |
| 12:53.53 | sylvanaar | one of those should fix iyt |
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| 12:54.30 | Shefki | Well I just added parens around the not class or not level on line 997 in my local copy and it's fine. |
| 12:54.41 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 12:55.01 | Shefki | I'm assuming that's what you did. I don't typically use a svn version of prat since it usually just works. :) |
| 12:55.11 | sylvanaar | thats what i did |
| 12:56.19 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar 04RC10 * r175 : Tagging as RC10 |
| 12:56.46 | Shefki | Thanks sylvanaar |
| 12:57.05 | sylvanaar | sure thing |
| 12:58.08 | sylvanaar | i guess i always have wholib around somewhere |
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| 13:05.50 | Groktar | curls up in sylvanaar's lap and goes to sleep |
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| 13:16.40 | Adirelle|work | antiarc: ping |
| 13:18.26 | Fisker- | Adirelle|work: pong |
| 13:19.07 | Adirelle|work | Fisker-: why so useless ? |
| 13:19.21 | Groktar | pings Fisker- wildly |
| 13:21.44 | cncfanatics | ~lart Fisker- |
| 13:21.44 | purl | stamps Fisker- on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 13:21.50 | cncfanatics | now THAT is suiting |
| 13:21.54 | cncfanatics | purl, have a cookie |
| 13:21.55 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 13:23.27 | Arrowmaster | ~botsnack |
| 13:23.27 | purl | :), Arrowmaster |
| 13:24.26 | cncfanatics | have a cookie be better tbh |
| 13:27.24 | Fisker- | oh why so srs Adirelle|work? |
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| 13:30.26 | Zyndrome | well, that was fun |
| 13:30.51 | Zyndrome | my 300Gb HDD containing WoW + the plans to world domination, stopped working |
| 13:31.06 | Zyndrome | the infamous click-click sound when booting up |
| 13:31.18 | trh | yeah.. that one is fun |
| 13:31.25 | cncfanatics | Zyndrome: sounds fancy |
| 13:31.27 | trh | sometimes they do work again after getting warm / cooling off |
| 13:31.35 | cncfanatics | Zyndrome: can I smash it with a hammer now, please ? |
| 13:31.43 | Zyndrome | no I am about to myself |
| 13:31.48 | cncfanatics | awww :( |
| 13:31.56 | Zyndrome | after throwing it around the room for a while |
| 13:32.09 | cncfanatics | make sure to not damage the walls & furniture too much |
| 13:32.43 | Zyndrome | but now I have to reinstall shit... |
| 13:32.57 | Zyndrome | first I need to figure out what app is leeching off the HDD I try to format |
| 13:33.01 | cncfanatics | Zyndrome: if you had a windows, take this occasion to reflect upon yourself and install a decent OS |
| 13:33.29 | Zyndrome | loonix eh |
| 13:33.49 | cncfanatics | anything but windows |
| 13:33.55 | cncfanatics | :D |
| 13:34.45 | Zyndrome | I think my XFi sound card disagrees |
| 13:35.29 | cncfanatics | http://tinyurl.com/64zhwz |
| 13:35.31 | cncfanatics | first link |
| 13:36.12 | Zyndrome | http%3A%2F%2Fopensource.creative.com%2Fsoundcard.html |
| 13:36.17 | Zyndrome | doesn't work terribly well :p |
| 13:36.19 | zoktar | anyone wanna help me insert ouf_combatfeedback into ouf_d3orbs ? =) |
| 13:36.27 | cncfanatics | mmm, damn I mistyped |
| 13:36.46 | cncfanatics | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=linux+xfi+sound+card+alsa there |
| 13:36.49 | cncfanatics | first link :D |
| 13:37.39 | cncfanatics | that would be what you need yes ? :p |
| 13:39.23 | Zyndrome | the HDD died while I was playing, everything locked up, I pushed the reset-button, and during bootup the pre-boot HDD detection thingy flashed my 300Gb-drive with bright red colors, and next boot: No drives found. |
| 13:39.29 | Zyndrome | :\ |
| 13:39.53 | cncfanatics | painful :o |
| 13:40.38 | Zyndrome | god damn it |
| 13:40.54 | Zyndrome | is there any way to see what program is using what HDD in any way -_- |
| 13:41.07 | Fisker- | i am the greatest cncfanatics |
| 13:41.18 | cncfanatics | I am the greatest Fisker- |
| 13:41.31 | cncfanatics | and I'll prove it ! |
| 13:41.36 | cncfanatics | Fisker-, have a cookie |
| 13:41.51 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:42.08 | Fisker- | I just kept 2 palas for ressing someone up at that aces high quest in the nexus |
| 13:42.12 | Fisker- | with the dragon you get from the quest :D |
| 13:42.21 | Repo | 10inventory-on-par: 03Pericles * r96 Modules/TitanInventoryOnPar (2 files in 1 directory): InventoryOnPar: - |
| 13:42.23 | Repo | Fixed self issues in Titan Plugin. |
| 13:42.38 | cncfanatics | I just gave you a cookie |
| 13:42.44 | cncfanatics | beats everything |
| 13:43.03 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 13:44.47 | SunTsu | Hm, concerning dual spec, anybody an idea if "It will swap your talents, glyphs and the position of buttons on your action bars. Note you actually have to buy the glyphs for both specs first." really means you have to get your glyphs every single time you switch spec? |
| 13:45.27 | Adirelle|work | no, I mean you have to get the glyphs once for each spec |
| 13:45.48 | Adirelle|work | s/I mean/it means/ |
| 13:46.21 | SunTsu | Adirelle|work: Hm, was wondering, because that would be obvious and wouldn't need to be stated, IMHO |
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| 13:47.35 | Adirelle|work | SunTsu: some people do not catch obivous things unless they are stated (and also something that is obvious to someone may not be obvious to another one) |
| 13:49.13 | trh | Adirelle|work: that's a niec way to say "you're a dumbass" ;) |
| 13:49.32 | Adirelle|work | trh: nah, I'm sometimes on the bad side too :p |
| 13:49.56 | kenlyric | that's not really obvious |
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| 13:50.14 | kenlyric | it was long assumed that switching specs screwed you for glyphs. |
| 13:50.28 | kenlyric | and indeed, it does at the moment |
| 13:51.44 | cncfanatics | kenlyric: switching specs will destroy your glyphs, the glyphs in your bank, those in your guild bank, those in the bank of every member of your guild and you won't be able to trade any or buy any from auction house |
| 13:52.12 | trh | cncfanatics: you forgot it'll decrease your inscription skill by 10 ;) |
| 13:52.19 | cncfanatics | ah yea indeed |
| 13:52.23 | cncfanatics | forgot about that one |
| 13:52.26 | Adirelle|work | kenlyric: "it does at the moment", where ? on the PTR ? |
| 13:52.32 | SunTsu | kenlyric: Yeah, but that you have to buy the glyphs you want to have for a spec at some point in time IS obvious. The question was just if you have to buy/make them everytime you respec or just once, e.g. when setting up a spec for the first time |
| 13:52.52 | Adirelle|work | nvm |
| 13:53.08 | kenlyric | Adirelle|work: no, on the live server, right now |
| 13:53.32 | Adirelle|work | kenlyric: realized you were talking about the current spec switchs, where suntsu and me talked about dual-specs |
| 13:53.39 | kenlyric | if you change your spec now you'd have to keep constantly getting new glyphs to match yhour spec |
| 13:53.44 | kenlyric | oh |
| 13:53.45 | digmouse | any BC 3.0.3 to WotLK Update patch mirror? |
| 13:53.48 | kenlyric | look, it's 8 am |
| 13:54.14 | kenlyric | so, there are dual specs in the ptr? ;) |
| 13:54.28 | Groktar | not that i've heard |
| 13:54.29 | kenlyric | a glyphs work sensibly? |
| 13:54.34 | kenlyric | honestly I'm surprised |
| 13:54.37 | Groktar | unless there's suddenly a 3.1 ptr |
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| 13:54.58 | kenlyric | can we get dual spec enchantments too? |
| 13:55.15 | Adirelle|work | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/13393673603-gc-dual-specs-is-great-but.html |
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| 13:55.32 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r4842 / (4 files in 2 directories): BigWigs: |
| 13:55.34 | Repo | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
| 13:55.37 | Adirelle|work | ATM: talents, glyphs and actions |
| 13:55.49 | cncfanatics | kenlyric: what about free gear of the same quality of your current one ? |
| 13:55.51 | Adirelle|work | you have to get twice the stuff, as of now |
| 13:56.05 | kenlyric | cncfanatics: sure! |
| 13:56.16 | kenlyric | i'm truly shocked about action bars |
| 13:56.17 | cncfanatics | ~lart kenlyric |
| 13:56.17 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if kenlyric doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 13:56.28 | Adirelle|work | I hope they will made it an option |
| 13:56.28 | cncfanatics | purl, you fail |
| 13:56.29 | purl | ACTION slaps cncfanatics for calling her a failure |
| 13:56.33 | kenlyric | you know my theory of bad gameplay design, right? |
| 13:56.41 | cncfanatics | kenlyric: nop |
| 13:56.44 | kenlyric | if I have to do the same fight twice, your game is made incorrectly |
| 13:57.01 | cncfanatics | kenlyric: you sound like someone that shouldn't be playing WoW then :p |
| 13:57.07 | cncfanatics | WoW is all about fighting the same stuff over |
| 13:57.12 | kenlyric | you'd be correct there. |
| 13:57.13 | Groktar | or any mmo for that matter |
| 13:57.17 | digmouse | size of BC to LK patch? 2.23GB? or more? |
| 13:57.42 | Groktar | repetition is pretty much the premise for every mmo ever |
| 13:57.49 | kenlyric | you are correct, sir |
| 13:57.59 | cncfanatics | depends |
| 13:58.06 | cncfanatics | there are a few where repetition is kept to a minimum |
| 14:03.45 | Zyndrome | and this might be far fetched, but my HDD crashed right after I tried out Antiarc's new "Zoom!!!" ... COINCIDENCE!? |
| 14:03.47 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 14:05.14 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03Anadale 072 * r37 / (10 files in 3 directories): UnderHood: |
| 14:05.17 | Repo | - Druid mana provider added to Bars module |
| 14:05.19 | Repo | - LibDruidMana removed from .pkgmeta and svn:externals |
| 14:05.22 | Repo | - Minor bugfixes |
| 14:05.54 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03Anadale 042.0.0-beta-2 * r38 : UnderHood: |
| 14:05.57 | Repo | - Tagging as 2.0.0-beta-2 |
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| 14:08.58 | cncfanatics | Zyndrome: CONSPIRACY ZOMG |
| 14:09.14 | Zyndrome | builds a suit out of tinfoil |
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| 14:13.18 | Groktar | steals it |
| 14:13.21 | Zyndrome | but this also put an end to my one and only IDE-drive I had left |
| 14:15.24 | Matrix110 | I have a 12GB WD IDE drive that still works if I would connect it! |
| 14:15.44 | Matrix110 | Its heavier than todays HDDs aswell :D |
| 14:15.50 | Groktar | i has one too! |
| 14:16.27 | Zyndrome | reminds himself of the IBM Deathstar |
| 14:16.55 | Matrix110 | and well its not like SATA means good bye IDE |
| 14:17.06 | Matrix110 | almost every damn SATA HDD is running in IDE emulation mode :D |
| 14:17.23 | SunTsu | .o0( I wish I had kept my first IDE HDD. 40 MB. When I bought the 200MB replacement I was thinking "WHOA! What am I gonna do with that much space, I'll NEVER fill that up!" ) |
| 14:17.31 | Groktar | i had a deathstar, too! |
| 14:17.41 | Groktar | wait |
| 14:18.03 | Groktar | nm, it's not a deathstar |
| 14:18.13 | trh | my first HDD was RLL 20MB :) |
| 14:18.26 | trh | it was awesome increasing the performance by changing the interleave ;) |
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| 14:19.32 | Zyndrome | fires his nostalgia-canon |
| 14:19.41 | Zyndrome | the 486x 'TURBO'-button... |
| 14:20.02 | Fisker- | i am having hate |
| 14:20.38 | SunTsu | Fisker-: So, what's so special about it? ;) |
| 14:23.47 | Fisker- | nothing :o |
| 14:25.45 | Arrowmaster | i cant find a fucking draenei priest! |
| 14:26.13 | Fisker- | They don't need to be fucking |
| 14:26.19 | Fisker- | any regular draenei priest will do |
| 14:26.54 | Belazor | Does it need to be of a particular level? :p |
| 14:27.06 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 14:27.12 | Arrowmaster | but it needs to be in dalaran |
| 14:27.17 | Belazor | Nvm then XD |
| 14:27.26 | Arrowmaster | or shattrath |
| 14:27.50 | Belazor | Mine is in Exodar :p |
| 14:29.24 | Arrowmaster | which i cant get to quickly |
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| 14:35.27 | Belazor | Oh you need to meet the person, thought you just needed sum test |
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| 14:41.43 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03mikk * r103 / (3 files in 3 directories): Misc.Usable.Replenished +1 |
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| 14:51.52 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r92 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 14:51.54 | Repo | Added Earthliving and color for 6 stacks of PoM (Priest T7). |
| 14:54.27 | Kaelten | 69.57.184.201 |
| 14:54.31 | Kaelten | does that look familar to anyone |
| 14:54.54 | Repo | 10librocklocale-1-0: 03ckknight * r236 LibRockLocale-1.0.lua: remove unnecessary collectgarbage calls |
| 14:55.01 | Matrix110 | looks like a IP |
| 14:55.04 | Elkano | 4 groups of numbers <256? could be an IP... |
| 14:55.08 | Matrix110 | do I get a prize now? |
| 14:55.10 | Kaelten | ~lart |
| 14:55.34 | Kaelten | just trying to figure out why that IP needs 163GB of files in like 5 days |
| 14:55.36 | Matrix110 | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=69.57.184.201&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=&aq=f&oq= |
| 14:55.43 | Elkano | or rather an IP address |
| 14:56.06 | Matrix110 | Kaelten its the curse.com IP :P |
| 14:56.08 | Matrix110 | mr awesome :D |
| 14:56.19 | winkiller | lol |
| 14:56.22 | Matrix110 | type http://69.57.184.201 |
| 14:56.23 | Matrix110 | :D |
| 14:56.44 | Matrix110 | this deserves a Print Key :D |
| 14:56.46 | Kaelten | ya that doesn't work for me locally, all bad addresses show the curse site due to stupid network config |
| 14:56.59 | Kaelten | :P |
| 14:57.07 | winkiller | rofl |
| 14:57.09 | Matrix110 | fail |
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| 14:57.37 | winkiller | and it has no reverse entry |
| 14:58.12 | ckknight | Antiarc: fun fact: I went to high school with the Mazda zoom-zoom kid. |
| 14:58.30 | Matrix110 | We shouldve told Kaelten to ban the IP I wonder how long it wouldve taken to figure out why curse isnt getting files updates anymore :D |
| 14:59.06 | ckknight | do it, Kaelten |
| 14:59.08 | ckknight | ban it. |
| 14:59.12 | ckknight | you know you want to |
| 15:00.09 | quiescens | think of all the bandwidth you would save |
| 15:00.41 | Matrix110 | Its WOWMATRIX WE ALL KNOW IT |
| 15:00.46 | Matrix110 | take out the banstick! |
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| 15:05.33 | DarkAudit | has WowAce changed something on the web site over the weekend? |
| 15:05.45 | ckknight | not to my knowledge |
| 15:05.46 | ckknight | why? |
| 15:06.21 | DarkAudit | ckknight, JWU has stopped updating from addons I pointed to WowAce |
| 15:06.30 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 15:06.54 | SunTsu | is therefore left without an updater, finally |
| 15:07.11 | DarkAudit | SunTsu, it's still downloading from curse |
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| 15:12.14 | SunTsu | DarkAudit: Hm, then I'll try that, it still downloads newly handled addons from wowace, though |
| 15:12.59 | DarkAudit | SunTsu, odd. When I tried to tell it to reinstall addons, it ignored everything that I had pointed at WowAce. |
| 15:13.43 | SunTsu | I'd never dare that |
| 15:14.30 | DarkAudit | SunTsu, I only did that as a test. it confirmed that there was something goofy going on |
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| 15:16.28 | thul | I want a 35 1.4 AI-S :-( GODDMANIT SANTA! |
| 15:16.43 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 15:16.44 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give renchap a big kiss on the ear |
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| 15:17.29 | Repo | 10librockconfig-1-0: 03ckknight * r399 LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: remove unnecessary collectgarbage calls |
| 15:17.31 | Repo | 10librockevent-1-0: 03ckknight * r236 LibRockEvent-1.0.lua: remove unnecessary collectgarbage calls |
| 15:17.34 | Fisker- | ~kiss thul |
| 15:17.34 | purl | ACTION forces thul to give fridgid a big kiss on the neck |
| 15:17.41 | Fisker- | dun dun dun Antiarc |
| 15:18.28 | thul | fridgid *smaaaaaaaaask* |
| 15:18.30 | thul | ironic, with fridgid as the nick. |
| 15:19.59 | thul | MY DREAM HAS COME TRUE: http://leitax.com/leica-lens-for-nikon-cameras.html |
| 15:20.00 | thul | woha |
| 15:20.31 | ckknight | porn for photographers? |
| 15:20.38 | thul | yeah |
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| 15:22.51 | Fisker- | i want porn for photographers : |
| 15:22.52 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:23.00 | ckknight | and to think that I thought porn would be porn for photographers |
| 15:23.05 | ckknight | well, shows what I know |
| 15:24.01 | thul | Fisker-:P |
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| 15:34.09 | dieck | hm, which event is fired when someone joins a chat channel? |
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| 15:39.06 | Zyndrome | "Guildmaster: WHERE THE F**K WERE YOU LAST NIGHT?" |
| 15:39.10 | Zyndrome | www.instantrimshot.com |
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| 15:43.00 | KriLL3 | the big mammoths are rubbish, can't go anywhere |
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| 15:44.24 | Zyndrome | :P |
| 15:44.37 | Zyndrome | some tunnels in Stormwind blocks you if you're on a mammoth |
| 15:44.41 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 15:45.00 | Adirelle|work | hrm... is there an option to configure the main font in aguf ? |
| 15:45.08 | Adirelle|work | or is it linked to the layout ? |
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| 15:47.43 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe * r93 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added Grace. |
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| 15:51.15 | Repo | 10grid-status-hots: 03Bogenlampe 043.0b * r94 : Tagging as 3.0b |
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| 15:57.47 | Arrowmaster | Zyndrome: our taruen warrior tanks found that out during a city raid |
| 15:58.00 | Repo | 10chatter: 03mikk * r215 / (2 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 15:58.02 | Repo | PlayerNames loving: |
| 15:58.03 | Zyndrome | fun stuff |
| 15:58.05 | Repo | - Make it recognize death knights |
| 15:58.08 | Repo | - Handle multi word races (e.g. "Night Elf") in chatframe /who responses |
| 15:58.11 | Repo | - Automagic learning of localized classes (since there were lots of missing translations) |
| 15:58.24 | quiescens | I already got blocked in random places on a raptor |
| 15:58.48 | quiescens | and the mammoth seems even bigger |
| 15:59.07 | Arrowmaster | quiescens: i had to stop using my zg raptor because of that and was using my kodo instead |
| 15:59.25 | quiescens | but I don't want to just use a kodo ): |
| 15:59.39 | Arrowmaster | i use my big blizzard bear now |
| 16:06.34 | dieck | hm, how can I see which skill I have in $Profession? |
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| 16:22.07 | Repo | 10baldrick: 03LordFarlander * r119 / (2 files in 2 directories): Baldrick: |
| 16:22.09 | Repo | - Some more fixes to Wrath dailies |
| 16:25.43 | Repo | 10broker_garbagefu: 03LordFarlander * r14 Broker_GarbageFu.lua: Broker_GarbageFu |
| 16:25.47 | Repo | - Tooltip formatting fixes |
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| 16:32.35 | dieck | does anyone know which function is used to derive the skill in a profession? |
| 16:34.48 | digmouse | any experience MM hunter here? |
| 16:35.08 | digmouse | s/experience/experienced |
| 16:35.11 | digmouse | s/experience/experienced/ |
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| 16:36.37 | SunTsu | dieck: GetTradeSkillInfo()? |
| 16:37.50 | SunTsu | dieck: GetSkillLineInfo() could be the one you are looking for |
| 16:39.07 | dieck | uh. so I'll have to go for each of them... ok... |
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| 16:40.50 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r108 NautCore.lua: - add option to show only faction-friendly map icons |
| 16:40.53 | Repo | - add emote's to crew chat filter |
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| 16:40.57 | Repo | - add world map overlay to Astrolabe's list of map frames to watch out for |
| 16:41.00 | Repo | - fix flickering world map icons in Carbon$hite |
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| 16:43.53 | Repo | 10ccopy: 03Borlox 07master * faa7f02 / (4 files in 1 directory): [new, +2 commits] |
| 16:43.55 | Repo | faa7f02: Fixed .pkgmeta |
| 16:43.58 | Repo | 1f1eb38: Changing CCopy repository to git. |
| 16:44.32 | Repo | 10ccopy: 03Borlox 041.01 * b7f3945 /: [new tag] Version 1.0 with fixed .pkgmeta. |
| 16:47.24 | Pneumatus | anyone have any clue as to how you check what codec a vent server is running? |
| 16:48.31 | ckknight | pastamancer: ping |
| 16:50.45 | Xinhuan | Pneumatus: click SETUP |
| 16:50.54 | Xinhuan | the dropdown should show u the current vent codec |
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| 16:58.30 | hanzzon | hi, what's up with CowTip, I had a release called "CowTip-v3.1.2.zip" internal revision; r14, but now a more recent CowTip comes out but version number "CowTip-v1.2.zip" internal revision; r42 however if I scroll down it's changelog for example r14 has been removed from it? |
| 16:59.07 | Xinhuan | lol no idea |
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| 17:01.48 | digmouse | so a 3. is eaten |
| 17:02.00 | digmouse | Xinhuan: you achievement giant |
| 17:02.17 | Xinhuan | what? there are ppl with more points than me |
| 17:02.36 | digmouse | but I think you have potential to make it 6000 |
| 17:02.45 | Xinhuan | i've got a ton of undone pvp ones |
| 17:02.50 | Xinhuan | didn't do fishing yet either |
| 17:02.52 | digmouse | you have lots of easy achievements undone |
| 17:02.59 | Xinhuan | indeed |
| 17:03.08 | digmouse | so 6000 is not hard |
| 17:03.15 | Xinhuan | 5810 now |
| 17:05.35 | hanzzon | hmm, was Cartographer_Fishing Herb and Mining dropped entirely? |
| 17:05.51 | Xinhuan | yes, get GatherMate instead |
| 17:07.03 | hanzzon | why was it dropped? |
| 17:07.11 | Xinhuan | cos Gathermate is better |
| 17:07.18 | Xinhuan | same authors |
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| 17:08.38 | hanzzon | I see, cool |
| 17:08.58 | hanzzon | so was he developing GatherMate at the same time as his Cartographer addon then you mean? |
| 17:09.04 | Xinhuan | gathermate works without any dependencies, and works with any/all mapmod |
| 17:09.17 | Xinhuan | we dropped carto_<profs> and developed gathermate |
| 17:09.19 | Xinhuan | as a replacement |
| 17:09.43 | Xinhuan | because we didn't like cartographer anymore :) |
| 17:09.53 | hanzzon | haha, I see, thnx for the info! |
| 17:10.16 | Xinhuan | but gathermate will work with cartographer if u still want to use it |
| 17:10.37 | hanzzon | did you stop using Cartographer aswell then? |
| 17:10.41 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 17:10.50 | digmouse | a good actionbar cooldown flash mod recommendation? no OmniCC, that one some times dont pulse on my Macaroon |
| 17:10.50 | hanzzon | what did you replace it with? |
| 17:11.01 | Xinhuan | Mapster, HandyNotes |
| 17:11.16 | Xinhuan | and Routes replaces Carto_Routes |
| 17:11.22 | fridgid-work | is onebank/bag etc still around? |
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| 17:11.43 | hanzzon | thanks! |
| 17:13.34 | hanzzon | fridgid-work: yup, called OneBag3 |
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| 17:18.36 | hanzzon | Xinhuan: Does GatherMate interface with the map to show for example required fishing skill for zones? (like I think Cartographer_Fishing did if I remember right?) |
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| 17:19.08 | Xinhuan | for fishing, no |
| 17:19.19 | Xinhuan | if you have enough +skill modifiers, u could fish anywhere |
| 17:19.30 | hanzzon | yea I know |
| 17:21.03 | Pneumatus | that was a feature of Cartographer_Zones i though |
| 17:21.21 | Pneumatus | and Cromulent does it now |
| 17:21.37 | hanzzon | ahh, I see, thnx |
| 17:21.48 | Repo | 10easydkp: 03Pericles * r46 / (4 files in 1 directory): EasyDKP: - |
| 17:21.50 | Repo | Fixed issue setting min & max quality |
| 17:21.53 | Repo | Added restriction to only sort table if more than 1 player hopefuly fixes single player display issue. |
| 17:30.04 | zoktar | anyone know of a ouf guide ? |
| 17:30.09 | Pneumatus | hmmm |
| 17:30.12 | hanzzon | heh, now I get it, it is Cartographer_Zones that shows it, but it has no data for Northrend thus no Fish skill info ;-) |
| 17:30.24 | Kaelten | g'morning guys |
| 17:30.40 | Pneumatus | yeh, if you switch to Mapster + etc, then Cromulent replaces Cartographer_Zones |
| 17:30.58 | hanzzon | okies |
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| 17:34.40 | Funkeh` | HAI GAIZ |
| 17:34.58 | hanzzon | is gathermate able to import the databases that the Cartographer eqvalients used? |
| 17:36.33 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:36.36 | Xinhuan | GatherMate_Data |
| 17:36.48 | Pneumatus | yeh, GatherMate_Data is all you'll ever need |
| 17:37.19 | Xinhuan | with Routes + Gathermate, i found 4 everfrost chips yesterday in 30 min lol |
| 17:37.53 | Funkeh` | is that like the new black lotus |
| 17:38.00 | Pneumatus | with Routes + Gathermate + TomTom my herb trips have like doubled in profitablity |
| 17:38.08 | Pneumatus | everfrost chips = Sons of Hodir rep |
| 17:38.10 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 17:38.18 | Xinhuan | 350 rep |
| 17:38.30 | Pneumatus | repping hodir will be a piece of piss in 3.0.8 though |
| 17:38.44 | Pneumatus | due to relics of ulduar being worth 25 rep each, and no longer being soulbound |
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| 17:44.43 | Xinhuan | i just vendor the relics lol |
| 17:44.50 | Xinhuan | they will be equally worthless anyway |
| 17:45.16 | hanzzon | so, must I have the old Cartographer Fish, herb etc addons installed when doing the import or can I just place their WTF files somewhere to make the import happen? |
| 17:45.29 | Xinhuan | depends on what u want |
| 17:45.39 | Xinhuan | gathermate can import from 2 different places |
| 17:45.44 | Pneumatus | hanzzon: if you get GatherMate_Data, it will have every node (except northrend fishing) in anyway |
| 17:45.46 | Xinhuan | 1. GatherMate_Data (which is a wowdb database) |
| 17:46.04 | Xinhuan | 2. GatherMate_CartImport (which imports your existing cartographer database) |
| 17:46.15 | Xinhuan | with 1., you won't need 2. pretty much |
| 17:46.15 | Fisker- | haxes Xinhuan |
| 17:46.18 | Fisker- | it\s wowhead omg omgomg |
| 17:46.33 | Xinhuan | no its wowdb ;p |
| 17:46.34 | Megalon | Fisker-: nope, _Data is wowdb |
| 17:47.11 | hanzzon | oh I see thnx! |
| 17:48.08 | Fisker- | oh |
| 17:48.13 | Fisker- | but the dataminer he has is wowhead then |
| 17:48.33 | Xinhuan | yeah wowhead data was too "dirty" |
| 17:48.39 | Xinhuan | and consisted of too many fake nodes |
| 17:48.42 | Xinhuan | so we switched |
| 17:48.56 | Xinhuan | also we have official allowances from wowdb to use their data as well |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | wowdb will contain those pretty soon too |
| 17:49.34 | Xinhuan | but we can smack ackis to clean it up :P |
| 17:51.01 | Gnarfoz | wowhead was fine with it, too, btw |
| 17:51.01 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 17:51.53 | Arrowmaster | no it wasnt |
| 17:52.14 | Arrowmaster | when my nagrand map was full of nodes floating out in the edges of space something was wrong |
| 17:52.20 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 17:52.26 | Gnarfoz | "being fine with something" means something else |
| 17:52.31 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r494 Zul'Drak (4 files in 1 directory): More deDE translations from Farook. |
| 17:52.34 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 17:52.56 | Gnarfoz | I absolutely agree that the bogus data on wowhead was un-awesome |
| 17:54.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm almost 1pm |
| 17:54.15 | Arrowmaster | maybe i should goto bed |
| 17:54.40 | Pneumatus | wowdb has fishing nodes in for northrend, is it intentional that these arent in GatherMate_Data yet? |
| 17:54.41 | Arrowmaster | ive been up for 19 hours |
| 17:56.33 | Gnarfoz | 1pm? 19 hours? wtf. |
| 18:03.56 | Primer | Does Ace* have a function to dump objects programatically? |
| 18:04.29 | Belazor | If Im reading you right, DevTools from WoWI can do that |
| 18:04.45 | Primer | checks |
| 18:04.57 | Belazor | it has a /dump that prints shite properly |
| 18:05.05 | Primer | that's not programatically |
| 18:05.19 | Primer | I have that already |
| 18:05.20 | Belazor | Misunderstood then ;p |
| 18:05.26 | Primer | I need to be able to dump from my addon's code |
| 18:05.27 | Belazor | goes back to Winter's Veil |
| 18:05.29 | Primer | on an event |
| 18:05.55 | Belazor | if by dump you mean print then why not just steal the code from DT and execute it when you need it |
| 18:06.34 | Primer | why re-invent the wheel if I don't have to? |
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| 18:07.12 | Belazor | Because current wheels could be better. I mean are they really round enough? |
| 18:07.41 | Pneumatus | AceConsole-2 had it also |
| 18:07.45 | Primer | Seems Ace2 has AceDebug |
| 18:07.45 | Pneumatus | :PrintLiteral() |
| 18:07.53 | Primer | but I'm using Ace3 |
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| 18:09.15 | Primer | well, my addon's object has :Print() |
| 18:09.37 | Primer | I just love programming by trial and erro :) |
| 18:09.38 | Pneumatus | aceconsole3 has print, but not printliteral iirc |
| 18:09.39 | Primer | error, even |
| 18:12.04 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r495 Coldarra/Mage-Lord_Urom.lua: Corrected a typo. |
| 18:12.20 | Primer | searching google yields a snippet of a comment for Prat-3.0 about "lifting Ace2's printliteral" |
| 18:12.37 | Primer | but the page it points to is dynamic and the cache just pulls the existing page, which lacks said comment |
| 18:13.03 | Primer | seems Prat-3.0 is very popular |
| 18:13.15 | Primer | 745k downloads, 7,827 today alone |
| 18:13.56 | Pneumatus | 2 updates to prat today though |
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| 18:15.48 | Camci | is it possible to make a macro to cast a buff or spell on myself without targting me? if so how will the macro go :p |
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| 18:15.58 | Primer | M /trunk/debug/printliteral.lua <-- from a Prat-3.0 commit |
| 18:16.56 | Groktar | Camci: /cast [target=[player] Buff |
| 18:17.03 | Groktar | er, without the [ before player |
| 18:17.46 | Camci | worked fine thanks :) |
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| 18:27.24 | Repo | 10shamanwarning: 03Silmano 04v1.1e * 5df0150 /: [new tag, +1 commits] |
| 18:27.26 | Repo | - Added Ancestral Awakening warning. |
| 18:27.29 | Repo | - Minor code changes. |
| 18:28.14 | Primer | Does anyone here use eqdkp? I've been tasked to setup some sort of web based loot tracking, and I'm a bit disheartened about eqdkp's lack of integration with other web based user dbs, namely, a phpbb forum |
| 18:29.17 | Repo | 10winemenu: 03mlue 07master * 82e3160 / (51 files in 17 directories): [new, +4 commits] |
| 18:29.20 | Repo | 82e3160: fixed |
| 18:29.22 | Repo | 0c809ca: fixed |
| 18:29.25 | Repo | 9abec3a: hi |
| 18:29.28 | Repo | 21efa8b: Initial Commit |
| 18:29.30 | Xinhuan | nice commit notes |
| 18:29.34 | Primer | wtf |
| 18:29.44 | Primer | maybe he's a binar |
| 18:29.54 | Primer | you know, those dudes from Star Trek TNG |
| 18:29.55 | sylvanaar | Primer i cant live without printliteral |
| 18:30.07 | Xinhuan | i can :) |
| 18:30.09 | Primer | sylvanaar: Should I be able to Prat:PrintLiteral()? |
| 18:30.13 | Primer | since I use Prat |
| 18:30.24 | Primer | I mean, I have it installed |
| 18:30.31 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.31 | Primer | I presume Prat is global |
| 18:30.37 | Primer | I mean, in my code |
| 18:30.44 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 18:30.48 | Primer | perfect |
| 18:30.51 | Primer | that's all I need |
| 18:31.08 | sylvanaar | you need to pull out the debug folder |
| 18:31.23 | sylvanaar | from the pullouts folder |
| 18:31.32 | Primer | that doesn't come with with it by default? |
| 18:31.43 | sylvanaar | it comes with it in the folder |
| 18:32.07 | sylvanaar | its disabled until you pull the folder out |
| 18:32.43 | Primer | ahh |
| 18:32.50 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan how can you live without printliteral?? |
| 18:32.59 | Primer | he must be a masochist! |
| 18:33.11 | Xinhuan | print() works just fine, only thing it doesn't do is tables |
| 18:33.22 | Primer | heh, that's what I need to print :) |
| 18:33.33 | Xinhuan | so its just typing an extra for k, v in pairs(t) do print(k, v) end |
| 18:33.40 | sylvanaar | eek |
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| 18:34.34 | Xinhuan | well at the least, printliteral needs to be abel to handle huge tables sent in |
| 18:34.37 | sylvanaar | its the most useful debugging tool i have ever found |
| 18:34.41 | Xinhuan | and also recursive ones |
| 18:35.01 | Xinhuan | doesn't it come with devtools? |
| 18:35.06 | sylvanaar | 99% of the time i dont need that |
| 18:35.12 | sylvanaar | and devtools one looks bad |
| 18:35.35 | Xinhuan | i dn't know, i write good code and *rarely* need debugging :) |
| 18:35.51 | sylvanaar | touches Xinhuan |
| 18:36.04 | Xinhuan | feels the love |
| 18:36.45 | EthanCentaurai | needs a hug |
| 18:37.20 | sylvanaar | he released before you could do it |
| 18:38.20 | Xinhuan | hmm i should update my librock libs |
| 18:38.32 | KriLL3 | "honorable kill" is only on targets that grant honor right? and it doesn't requite killing blow right? |
| 18:38.38 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 18:39.14 | KriLL3 | "With a Little Helper from My Friends" as feral, oh joy |
| 18:39.18 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: another thank you for routes. Blacksmithing to 440 last night in a reasonable amount of time thanks to that lovely path to follow |
| 18:39.39 | Xinhuan | krill, just join AV, find a turtling game |
| 18:39.44 | Xinhuan | and hang out in the back |
| 18:39.47 | DarkAudit | guy on another board got hacked, and is blaming questhelper... when I asked the standard "did a buddy use your account", "did you go to any questionable addon sites", he got mad... |
| 18:39.49 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 18:40.11 | DarkAudit | he said "I'm a software engineer! How DARE you ask me that!" |
| 18:40.31 | KriLL3 | DarkAudit: didn't you know, addons stores your account data and sends it to a DB |
| 18:40.35 | Dashkal | *sigh* twits like that make the rest of us look bad... |
| 18:41.10 | Pneumatus | any priests about that raid as disc? |
| 18:41.16 | KriLL3 | well with that many users some are bound to be fucktards |
| 18:41.34 | KriLL3 | Pneumatus: what would be the point of that? |
| 18:41.55 | Pneumatus | KriLL3: for Divine Aegis/Grace against sarth+3 drakes |
| 18:42.07 | DarkAudit | he said he didn't do any of the typical keylogger mistakes, and has FF with noscript and adblock... so it HAS to be QuestHelper >.< |
| 18:42.22 | Pneumatus | and ubershields with Borrowed Time |
| 18:42.42 | KriLL3 | DarkAudit: I guess you didn't even try to explain to him that addons can't interact with the web? |
| 18:42.54 | Xinhuan | why don't you just agree with him |
| 18:42.56 | DarkAudit | and says asking those questions is really "making assumptions" that makes *us* look bad |
| 18:42.57 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 18:43.06 | Xinhuan | are you a QH supporter? hehe |
| 18:43.23 | DarkAudit | KriLL3, but... but... he's a software engineer! |
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| 18:44.14 | KriLL3_ | only kind of "addon" that can steal your account comes in an executable... and then it's not the addon part... =P |
| 18:48.44 | KriLL3_ | anyone else have the problem that you can't see markers for guild/party members in dalaran? I just get em showing in crystalsong |
| 18:48.57 | KriLL3_ | and I can't click dalaran to see a map of it, have to use a drop down menu |
| 18:57.31 | Groktar | http://www.guild-impulse.net/download/file.php?mode=view&id=127 |
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| 19:06.07 | NivFreak | so wowprogress is far too brutal in thier point decay |
| 19:07.13 | DarkAudit | hmm... has WowAce changed their date format recently? JWU started to see the updated date as "0" since this past weekend |
| 19:09.38 | Repo | 10grid2: 03jerry * r39 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fix error in aura color handler generator. |
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| 19:10.11 | Primer | I think addon developers should be required to be in this channel |
| 19:10.20 | NivFreak | lol |
| 19:10.41 | KriLL3_ | DarkAudit: is the format ISO compatible? |
| 19:10.41 | Groktar | heh, really? -> www.guild-impulse.net/groktar/smile-trainer.jpg |
| 19:10.45 | Primer | I want to talk to that jerry dude! |
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| 19:13.48 | DarkAudit | KriLL3_, I went to the JWU XML file and changed <attribute key="latestdate">0</attribute> to -1 and <attribute key="installeddate">0</attribute> to "-1 and it worked, but I will have to do that every time |
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| 19:25.33 | Megalon | DarkAudit: if it is <1 week old, wowace shows relative time |
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| 19:34.31 | ckknight | DarkAudit: yea, I changed it. it used to be MM/DD/YYYY, now it shows it differently. What I'd do is check the epoch attribute, which I added to all dates. |
| 19:35.00 | ckknight | Megalon: it shows relative time with javascript, if you have javascript disabled, it shows absolute time |
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| 19:38.49 | Megalon | ok, never noticed that it is done with javascript :> |
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| 19:39.19 | ckknight | Megalon: doesn't really matter too much anyway. |
| 19:39.38 | ckknight | the javascript iterates over all tags with the class of .date or .datetime |
| 19:39.46 | ckknight | changes their text based on the epoch attribute |
| 19:39.49 | Repo | 10ihml: 03Ackis * r110 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:39.51 | Repo | ToC update and .pkgmeta update, will be maintaining this now with Snago's permission |
| 19:40.05 | ckknight | which is how many seconds since 1970 Jan 1, 00:00:00 UTC |
| 19:40.06 | KriLL3 | couldn't that be done with php? |
| 19:40.11 | ckknight | ... |
| 19:40.14 | ckknight | we don't use PHP |
| 19:40.23 | ckknight | also, caching issues, KriLL3 |
| 19:40.24 | KriLL3 | hides |
| 19:40.30 | ckknight | that's why we do it in javascript |
| 19:40.39 | ckknight | because it's an extra unneeded nicety |
| 19:40.44 | ckknight | we never require javascript for anything |
| 19:40.50 | ckknight | but if you have it enabled, you get extra stuff |
| 19:41.17 | KriLL3 | aren't the drop down menus javascript? |
| 19:41.22 | ckknight | only in IE |
| 19:41.31 | ckknight | in Gecko, Opera, or Webkit, it's CSS2 |
| 19:41.40 | KriLL3 | yay |
| 19:41.52 | ckknight | KriLL3: we actually follow standard. |
| 19:41.55 | ckknight | standards* |
| 19:42.03 | KriLL3 | I'm shocked |
| 19:42.07 | ckknight | why? |
| 19:42.18 | ckknight | it's not like we're faceless |
| 19:42.22 | KriLL3 | 99% of all sites out there blatantly ignores it |
| 19:42.29 | ckknight | Kaelten and I made the site, we have our own prerogatives in the mix |
| 19:42.49 | ckknight | it's easier to code to standards for us |
| 19:42.54 | ckknight | also, we don't support IE6 |
| 19:42.56 | ckknight | which helps. |
| 19:43.01 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 19:43.17 | KriLL3 | I've bent myself out of shape to make IE6 versions of sites |
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| 19:43.29 | KriLL3 | more work than the original site |
| 19:43.31 | Fisker- | what standards? |
| 19:43.41 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4843 Naxxramas (9 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 19:43.43 | Repo | BigWigs: Naxxramas: |
| 19:43.45 | Repo | - Sapphiron: Change deepbreath |
| 19:43.48 | Repo | - Horsemen: Fix guid(Rivendare) |
| 19:43.52 | Repo | - Loatheb: Add 'Necrotic Aura' 'Deathbloom' |
| 19:43.52 | ckknight | KriLL3: we have so few users that use IE6 that we don't have to care |
| 19:44.07 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: W3C |
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| 19:49.34 | KriLL3 | heh the W3C site says "Leading the Web to Its Full Potential..." up top, and it's a Web0.5 portalesc monstrosity =P |
| 19:50.09 | hanzzon | just tried out Mapster with Cromulent, looked nice and all but realized I like Cartographer_Questinfo and it's Guild-Positions display so guess I wont switch afterall =) |
| 19:51.10 | KriLL3 | hanzzon: errm that's in mapster also |
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| 19:51.17 | KriLL3 | via handynotes I think |
| 19:51.26 | CaptainSegfault | ls |
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| 19:51.55 | hanzzon | Questinfo works too? |
| 19:53.43 | hanzzon | guess not; ## RequiredDeps: Cartographer |
| 19:54.04 | KriLL3 | there are similar addons |
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| 19:54.28 | AckisWork | cheers as he's "un-d-lined" |
| 19:54.38 | hanzzon | I don't like QuestHelper, too heavy |
| 19:55.03 | KriLL3 | lightheaded comes to mind |
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| 20:00.01 | hanzzon | lightheaded does not seem able to show the loc on the map of questitems/NPC's? |
| 20:00.40 | ulic | hanzzon: nope, but you can usually find the coordinates in there, then you just click and off you go. |
| 20:01.09 | ckknight | QuestHelper is a bit too heavy for my tastes, too |
| 20:01.14 | hanzzon | and then it shows it on the map? (aftyer click?) |
| 20:03.24 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 20:03.29 | KriLL3 | using a tomtom waypoint |
| 20:04.09 | hanzzon | hmm, sounds like many addons just to replace Cartographer =) |
| 20:04.24 | KriLL3 | well cart is broken |
| 20:04.36 | ckknight | my bad |
| 20:04.55 | hanzzon | brokeh? working quite fine here |
| 20:05.25 | Shefki | I think what he means is that it breaks everytime Blizzard breaths on their code. |
| 20:06.06 | KriLL3 | it's perched quite precariously |
| 20:07.11 | ckknight | I'd say more precociously. |
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| 20:07.40 | KriLL3 | that's not a word |
| 20:07.42 | hanzzon | hehe, ok |
| 20:07.47 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4844 Naxxramas/Thaddius.lua: BigWigs: |
| 20:07.49 | Repo | - Change Phase 2 trigger |
| 20:08.05 | Neffi | Can somebody check what the new integrated print(...) function uses as a delimiter between the args? |
| 20:08.15 | ckknight | Neffi: space |
| 20:08.21 | Neffi | No comma then? Shit |
| 20:08.29 | ckknight | right |
| 20:08.30 | Xinhuan | just a space |
| 20:08.45 | Neffi | Can I expect table.wipe() to be fast? |
| 20:08.45 | Xinhuan | but you can always do print(strjoin(", ", ...)) |
| 20:08.51 | Xinhuan | yes its fast |
| 20:08.54 | Neffi | Ah right Xin |
| 20:08.59 | Xinhuan | also just use wipe() |
| 20:09.03 | Xinhuan | without the table. |
| 20:09.09 | Neffi | I'd cache it anyway |
| 20:09.40 | Xinhuan | wipe() doesn't clear metatables btw, so be careful on that one |
| 20:09.51 | ckknight | and it's a shallow wipe, not a deep one |
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| 20:09.53 | Xinhuan | also not recursive |
| 20:10.00 | Neffi | I would hope it's not |
| 20:10.07 | ckknight | it's the equivalent of for k in pairs(t) do t[k] = nil end |
| 20:10.09 | ckknight | basically. |
| 20:10.20 | Neffi | Expect tons less function calls |
| 20:10.48 | ckknight | um, no, not really |
| 20:10.52 | ckknight | I bet it's done in C, though |
| 20:10.54 | ckknight | so it'd be faster |
| 20:11.46 | AckisWork | meh imo they should make it recursive |
| 20:11.57 | Xinhuan | it shoudln't |
| 20:11.59 | Neffi | for k in pairs(t) ... end should have a function call for each key in the table, plus the call to pairs(), and a table index for each. |
| 20:12.11 | AckisWork | it k == table then k.wipe() |
| 20:12.18 | Xinhuan | recursive ones need additional checks so that it doesn't wipe frames |
| 20:12.22 | Neffi | AckisWork: That could fuck stuff up. Tables are stored by reference. |
| 20:12.28 | Xinhuan | and also infinite loops |
| 20:12.38 | Neffi | local mytable = { test = _G } == you just accidentally the whole game then |
| 20:12.39 | Xinhuan | due to recursive refereces |
| 20:12.54 | ckknight | wipe(_G) |
| 20:12.57 | ckknight | that could be fun. |
| 20:13.01 | Neffi | Or rather, wipe { test = _G } |
| 20:13.37 | Neffi | It makes more sense to expect it won't be recursive and code your own if you need a recursive clear |
| 20:13.45 | ckknight | I agree |
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| 20:14.40 | AckisWork | meh |
| 20:14.42 | AckisWork | :P |
| 20:14.55 | Neffi | Shit, string.join() won't tostring values, right? |
| 20:15.00 | ckknight | right |
| 20:15.15 | Xinhuan | lua> string.join |
| 20:15.16 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: function: 0x8088510 |
| 20:15.17 | Neffi | Well there goes an easy solution with minimal function calls |
| 20:15.24 | Xinhuan | lua> string.join(",", 1, 2, 3) |
| 20:15.24 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1,2,3 |
| 20:15.26 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r137 Localization/zhCN.lua: RaidBuffStatus: |
| 20:15.29 | Repo | - Updated Simplified Chinese translations. |
| 20:15.49 | Neffi | lua> string.join("test", _G, function()end) |
| 20:15.50 | lua_bot | Neffi: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:161: invalid value (table) at index 1 in table for 'concat' |
| 20:16.04 | Antiarc | lua> string.join({}, "foo") |
| 20:16.04 | lua_bot | Antiarc: foo |
| 20:16.08 | Xinhuan | it will convert numbers |
| 20:16.13 | Xinhuan | just not anything else |
| 20:16.15 | Antiarc | lua> string.join({"bar", "baz"}, "foo") |
| 20:16.15 | lua_bot | Antiarc: foo |
| 20:16.34 | Neffi | No "bad argument" error? |
| 20:16.38 | Neffi | arg1 is a delimiter |
| 20:16.55 | Xinhuan | there's nothing to join if u only send in 1 item |
| 20:17.16 | Xinhuan | lua> string.join({"bar", "baz"}, "foo", "foo") |
| 20:17.17 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:161: invalid value (table) at index 2 in table for 'concat' |
| 20:17.46 | Belazor | you just accidentally luabot :p |
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| 20:19.21 | Neffi | One last question.. Does RunScript return the values from the resulting function it calls? |
| 20:19.41 | Neffi | So would it be equivalent to: local a,b,c = loadstring("return 1,2,3")() |
| 20:20.30 | Xinhuan | no |
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| 20:24.37 | Antiarc | loadstring creates a closure; RunScript just executes a script |
| 20:25.16 | Neffi | I'm achieving the latter either way. I just thought I could minimize function calls using RunScript. |
| 20:25.31 | Neffi | I'm trying to get /run and /script to print any values explicitly returned. |
| 20:27.00 | DarkAudit | ckknight, the change to the date has effectively ended JWU's life. Since Rolf took the code away when he quit updating, it's more or less completely dead now |
| 20:27.05 | Shefki | Just use /dump |
| 20:27.12 | ckknight | sorry, DarkAudit |
| 20:27.18 | Pneumatus | oh well, use the curse client and support the authors |
| 20:27.18 | ckknight | we're not changing it. |
| 20:27.35 | trh | apropos curse client.. when will the points start to cumulate? :) |
| 20:27.48 | Neffi | Shefki: Doesn't work when you want to parse a bit of code before the return. I just want /run to act more like the Lua interpreter for easier testing. |
| 20:28.19 | DarkAudit | ckknight, just pointing that out, not complaining... although I wish he'd left us the code :) |
| 20:29.38 | trh | isn't jwu java? |
| 20:29.54 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 20:30.01 | trh | so he left you the code? :) |
| 20:30.12 | trh | use a decompiler and fix it :) |
| 20:30.14 | Shefki | He left us byte code which is pretty darn uesless. |
| 20:30.37 | trh | Shefki: no.. unless it's heavily obfuscated the decompiled code is pretty good |
| 20:30.41 | Shefki | You ever actually seen decompiled code? It's hard to do anything to. |
| 20:31.10 | trh | Shefki: often.. the only thing missing is variable name in methods |
| 20:31.16 | Pneumatus | you can return java classes to source REALLY easily so they are readable |
| 20:31.18 | Shefki | And comments. |
| 20:31.29 | Pneumatus | any decent decompiler will name variables and methods appropriately also |
| 20:31.33 | Cheads | StatBlock_AnkhTimer supposed to work with Broker2Fubar ? |
| 20:31.49 | trh | Shefki: so what? use a good ide and refactor some of the stuff and finding the date thing is a matter of a few minutes |
| 20:32.06 | trh | (you can use breakpoints on Date etc.) |
| 20:32.20 | Xinhuan | why do you need an Ankhtimer addon if you can just put a macro with # Showtooltip Reincarnation on the action bar, and have omnicc show the cd ;p |
| 20:32.27 | trh | unless its heavily obfuscated.. in that case decompiling really sucks |
| 20:32.43 | Pneumatus | Xinhuan: so you dont have to waste an actiobar slot? |
| 20:33.10 | trh | Pneumatus: but usually not very good (variable naming) |
| 20:33.29 | Cheads | Xinhuan thanks for the tip! |
| 20:33.35 | trh | Pneumatus: like Socket socket1; Socket socket2; - wherease in real code it may be Socket clientSocket; Socket serverSocket; |
| 20:33.36 | Xinhuan | Pneumatus, unless you cast ankh from your spellbook |
| 20:33.42 | Xinhuan | you wouldn't be wasting any darn slot |
| 20:34.07 | Pneumatus | you dont cast reincarnation at all |
| 20:34.09 | Cheads | I have a few actionbar slots left.. and a few macros |
| 20:34.14 | Pneumatus | you chose to reincarnate when you die |
| 20:34.20 | Xinhuan | well that's true heh |
| 20:34.50 | pentium166 | register Pent iDrpgpW!? Better Enhancement Shaman |
| 20:34.54 | pentium166 | adsf. |
| 20:35.28 | Shefki | Nice password |
| 20:35.42 | pentium166 | i thought so |
| 20:35.57 | pentium166 | If you figure out what network that's on you can take over my idlerpg password! |
| 20:36.03 | pentium166 | er, account. |
| 20:36.30 | Shefki | Too late I already have. |
| 20:43.08 | Neffi | Does anyone know where I could find screencaps of Saeto's old UIs? |
| 20:46.15 | hanzzon | ckknight: how's Cartographer 3.0 coming along? |
| 20:46.44 | ckknight | I don't code much in the way of addons anymore, I have a real job that takes up most of my time |
| 20:46.55 | hanzzon | I see, ok |
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| 21:04.24 | ckknight | CHOCOLATE RAIN |
| 21:04.37 | Jaxon | Ackis: good work with IHML, I really liked that and hadn't found a suitable repalcement. |
| 21:05.13 | Pneumatus | yeh IHML really needs an update with some northrend stuff |
| 21:05.27 | NeoTron | Ackis: btw, sexyHUDmap => if you don't "rotate minimap" there's no way of knowing which direction you're looking |
| 21:05.40 | NeoTron | although rotating the minimap is clearly the way to go for it, just figured I'd point that out |
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| 21:21.29 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 21:21.33 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13392165725&pageNo=3&sid=1#43 |
| 21:23.03 | Primer | Does anyone here know QuestHelper code at all? I'm trying to create my own menu entry for right clicking on map points, and passing the coordinates of this point to my addon, but it seems that nothing withing the questhelper objects available in that scope has that information |
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| 21:25.40 | chiper | Fisker-: I'm not sure I get the joke. |
| 21:26.15 | hanzzon | Fisker-: frigging awsome, thnx for the link! |
| 21:27.33 | neuron | Xinhuan, wtb postal option to auto open only mails with "Auction successfull" :p |
| 21:27.47 | Xinhuan | think that option is already there |
| 21:28.01 | Xinhuan | check the arrow button next to the "Open All" button |
| 21:28.10 | Xinhuan | and uncheck everything else |
| 21:28.21 | neuron | awsome, thanks :) |
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| 21:38.27 | wownoob | Hey :-) Sorry if I come "spamming", but do you had some experience with http://leveling-guide.org ? It sounds really nice... I have not heard some had bought this product other than peoples on MIRC (IRC) have been told it is recommended friendly? |
| 21:40.00 | Xinhuan | you'll be better off finding a torrent for Zygor's leveling guides |
| 21:40.56 | wownoob | torrent ?? whats dat +? |
| 21:41.00 | Xinhuan | basically, anything you can pay money for which is downloadable.. can almost always be torrented free ;p |
| 21:41.08 | Pneumatus | zygors guides are good |
| 21:41.13 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 21:41.18 | Xinhuan | zygor's guides are good |
| 21:41.25 | Belazor | or Jame's |
| 21:41.35 | Pneumatus | has zygor updated to not use cart yet? |
| 21:41.40 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 21:41.42 | Xinhuan | it uses tomtom now |
| 21:41.51 | wownoob | allright i ask any few peoples more... if its recommended i will buy it |
| 21:42.04 | Pneumatus | and the 3.0 boats for alliance? |
| 21:42.04 | wownoob | thanks1 |
| 21:42.06 | Xinhuan | and he commented out all the Rock code lol |
| 21:42.09 | Jaxon | Don't spend money on anything, there are usually free options. |
| 21:42.12 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r39 magealert.lua: frensh fingers of frost bug fix |
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| 21:42.54 | Xinhuan | just google it ;p |
| 21:42.58 | Repo | 10magealert: 03yheen * r40 magealert.lua: frensh missle barrage bug fix |
| 21:43.00 | Xinhuan | zygor guide torrent hehe |
| 21:43.06 | Pneumatus | if your gonna pay for guides, or rip some off, zygors are the best :P |
| 21:45.22 | Primer | you're |
| 21:46.02 | Xinhuan | zygor's guide tells you like when to hearth, when to take flightpaths, when to shit :p |
| 21:46.24 | Xinhuan | can't skip any part either, because of quest chain dependencies |
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| 21:46.50 | Xinhuan | and does the minimum to even get you all the zone quest achievements |
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| 21:54.11 | Primer | QuestHelper data structures are so fucked |
| 21:56.00 | nevcairiel | s/data structures are/is/ |
| 21:56.23 | Primer | it's helpful |
| 21:56.31 | Fisker- | s/QuestHelper/nevcairiel/ |
| 21:56.45 | Primer | I've never audited the code, but it can (and does) completely hog the CPU |
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| 21:57.02 | Primer | bwahahaha |
| 21:57.21 | nevcairiel | that made my day |
| 21:57.39 | nevcairiel | questhelper totally eats your cpu in high-action combat |
| 21:57.43 | nevcairiel | like alot of AoE |
| 21:57.47 | nevcairiel | no idea why |
| 21:57.57 | nevcairiel | even in instances, it doesnt turn itself off |
| 21:58.18 | nevcairiel | and i even told the author |
| 21:58.19 | nevcairiel | but huh |
| 21:58.31 | Daemona | i just put some ampere through it and its fine *hint* |
| 21:59.33 | Primer | x, y = x/QuestHelper.continent_scales_x[c], y/QuestHelper.continent_scales_y[c] |
| 21:59.35 | Primer | why! |
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| 21:59.44 | Primer | Why must it store the converted values!? geez |
| 21:59.45 | Fisker- | fu |
| 22:00.08 | [dRaCo] | to save CPU cycles! |
| 22:02.44 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r4845 Naxxramas (3 files in 1 directory): frFR Update |
| 22:06.33 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r496 Dalaran/The_Violet_Hold.lua: Added GUIDs for bosses you re-fight after a wipe. |
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| 22:10.22 | Xinhuan | lol ulic? the guids are different? |
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| 22:11.39 | Shefki | Xinhuan: They are becuase the 2nd time around they have no loot table. |
| 22:12.00 | Xinhuan | heh lame |
| 22:12.12 | hanzzon | there's no reason to keep GatherMate_Data installed once I've used it right? I should just delete it? |
| 22:12.27 | Xinhuan | u can uninstall it if you want |
| 22:12.32 | Xinhuan | but its Load-On-Demand as it is |
| 22:12.32 | Shefki | I leave it installed, just turned off. |
| 22:12.34 | Xinhuan | and doesn't load |
| 22:12.40 | Repo | 10gathermate: 03Pettigrow * r633 Locales/GatherMate-frFR.lua: frFR Update |
| 22:12.48 | Xinhuan | the ONLY time it loads is when you click the "IMPORT" button |
| 22:12.49 | hanzzon | ok |
| 22:12.52 | hanzzon | thnx |
| 22:12.53 | Xinhuan | which is when it instructs it to load |
| 22:12.59 | Xinhuan | so even if you leave it turned on, its nto loaded |
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| 22:13.32 | Xinhuan | gathermate_data is updated once a week, or two weeks anyhow |
| 22:14.06 | Xinhuan | you're recommended to do a "cleanup database" after importing |
| 22:14.21 | Xinhuan | since the imported data is "unclean" intentionally |
| 22:14.38 | Xinhuan | where 90% of the nodes would have say "titanium node" stacked on top of "saronite node" |
| 22:15.32 | Pneumatus | hahahaha |
| 22:15.41 | Pneumatus | "bender" is one of the suffixes that make ghoul names |
| 22:15.42 | hanzzon | I see, did my first import and saw that, but then you mean that even when I have an exmpty database to begin with the nodes are unclean? |
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| 22:16.24 | Xinhuan | by unclean, i merely mean nodes that are stacked on top of each other |
| 22:16.38 | Xinhuan | for eg, all tin nodes can have a 1% chance to spawn as silver nodes |
| 22:16.51 | Xinhuan | so if there are 68 tin nodes on the map, you also have 68 silver nodes on the map |
| 22:17.07 | Xinhuan | cleaning it up just removes all the silver ones if they are within X yards of a tin node |
| 22:17.17 | nevcairiel | you know whats even worse |
| 22:17.19 | hanzzon | yea, I noticed them ontop of eachother, thnx for the explanation! |
| 22:17.29 | nevcairiel | Zul'Drak, every damn saronite node can also spawn a cobalt node |
| 22:17.49 | nevcairiel | every node is doubled |
| 22:18.08 | Primer | sigh, so I finally found the object with the continent, zone, x and y coordinates for a questhelper point, and the x and y are converted to some uniform scale that's based on the zone scale |
| 22:18.13 | Xinhuan | ya we have to add special code for some herbs as well |
| 22:18.16 | hanzzon | ok, thnx guys, bedtime for me now |
| 22:18.19 | Xinhuan | in wintergrasp, all the frozen herbs are random |
| 22:18.23 | Primer | so when I add it as a waypoint in my addon, the x and y are wrong |
| 22:18.24 | Xinhuan | in other zones, they are not |
| 22:18.28 | Primer | even after converting it back |
| 22:18.34 | nevcairiel | wintergrasp is special anyway |
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| 22:19.12 | NeoTron | "Every node is sacred..." (get the reference) |
| 22:19.13 | Xinhuan | 98 baron runs... still no mount yet |
| 22:19.45 | Xinhuan | lua> 1-0.99^98 |
| 22:19.46 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 0.62653571954573 |
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| 22:31.13 | Pneumatus | is there a way to feed talent builds from Talented into ratingbuster? |
| 22:31.25 | Pneumatus | so i can check gear out while im a retarded spec |
| 22:32.55 | Shefki | Oooo that would be cool. |
| 22:33.14 | Pneumatus | :) |
| 22:33.34 | Pneumatus | yes, it would be cool :) |
| 22:34.01 | Shefki | Sounds like a great project for you. :) |
| 22:35.20 | Xinhuan | sounds like a feature that only 0.1% of users would use |
| 22:36.54 | Zhinjio | wowequip did that. |
| 22:37.00 | Zhinjio | well, took talents into account, at least |
| 22:37.10 | Zhinjio | *cough*Xinhuan*cough* |
| 22:37.26 | Xinhuan | that thing is so broken right now |
| 22:38.11 | Xinhuan | that chain running baron runs |
| 22:38.14 | Xinhuan | is a better idea |
| 22:38.39 | Pneumatus | being disc is a pain in the arse as i cant compare spirit based gear properly due to not having Spiritual Guidance :< |
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| 22:41.08 | Pneumatus | @project talented_dr-damage |
| 22:41.10 | Repo | Pneumatus: http://www.wowace.com/projects/talented_dr-damage/. Talented_DrDamage. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. Imported from wowace SVN project Talented_DrDamage. lilsparky (Manager/Author). Updated: 317 days ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 22:41.13 | Pneumatus | but its dead :< |
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| 22:50.54 | fauxpas``` | holy shit |
| 22:51.12 | fauxpas``` | tables in latex are .. i can't find a suitable comparison |
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| 22:51.44 | Pneumatus | sexy. |
| 22:51.48 | fauxpas``` | i ended up taking a screenshot in openoffice and embedding it (nothing too important so just wasn't worth it) |
| 22:52.20 | fauxpas``` | i somehow had to combine multirow and multicolumn and that screwed up the lines |
| 22:53.49 | WobWork | fauxpas```: Tables in latex are... "Infinitely better than Word HTML" ? |
| 22:54.15 | fauxpas``` | if you want to do serious academic stuff .. yes |
| 22:54.22 | fauxpas``` | but if you just wanna get it done |
| 22:55.19 | WobWork | I dunno |
| 22:55.26 | WobWork | I -still- wouldn't use Word HTML =P |
| 22:56.42 | fauxpas``` | maybe it's just a lack of experience |
| 22:56.50 | fauxpas``` | but.. couldn't be arsed to do it better |
| 22:57.07 | fauxpas``` | http://www.abload.de/img/tables1htv.png 1nd half is openoffice, 2nd one is latex |
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| 22:58.01 | trh | fauxpas```: are you're studying biology? |
| 22:58.27 | fauxpas``` | nope, but my friend does and he wanted his protocol to look good |
| 22:58.36 | fauxpas``` | (which is why i couldn't be arsed :P) |
| 22:59.22 | fauxpas``` | i'm studying linguistics and english |
| 23:00.23 | trh | omg ;) |
| 23:00.32 | fauxpas``` | huh? :P |
| 23:04.56 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1238 / (7 files in 2 directories): |
| 23:04.58 | Repo | Add trainers into dataminer for bs, lw, tailoring, enchanting, etc |
| 23:08.30 | Fisker- | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:11.10 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03Vana * r307 modules/EventMap.lua: |
| 23:11.11 | Repo | VanasKoS: fixed issue with mappoints not noticing mouseover when using cartographer3 |
| 23:14.20 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock * r133 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 23:14.23 | Repo | add in method of getting npc's name from gossip frame for Sons of Hodir dailies. |
| 23:14.25 | Repo | this is a bad hack.. |
| 23:14.28 | Repo | SOCD is designed to skip the gossip text on picking a quest up or turning it in, it dosn't think for you so do the quest first befor trying to turn it in :P |
| 23:14.44 | doom0r | 35 gnomes on bears/mammoths/kodos, gg |
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| 23:33.35 | DarkAudit | ok... finally had to start using the curse client... is there a way to get rid of the curse profiler? |
| 23:34.05 | Mikk | delete it? |
| 23:34.31 | nevcairiel | yeah just uninstall it, it comes with it by default, but its removable |
| 23:37.11 | NeoTron | so.. Patchwerk.25: doable with 2 tanks? It would seem you'd want 3 tanks at least |
| 23:37.27 | Pneumatus | largely dependant on your healers |
| 23:37.34 | Pneumatus | its possible with 2, but not easy |
| 23:37.46 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 23:38.02 | Gnarfoz | we've always done it with 2, and we run 6 healers |
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| 23:38.18 | nevcairiel | 2 works if one is a big bear with a lot of hps :) |
| 23:38.25 | Pneumatus | im guessing you dont have priests, Gnarfoz |
| 23:38.26 | nevcairiel | at least that works for us! |
| 23:38.36 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: one, or two, depends |
| 23:39.09 | Gnarfoz | we have paladin + DK, or warrior + paladin, or warrior + warrior, or... druid? I think we've used a druid as the hateful strike target, too once |
| 23:39.41 | NivFreak | NeoTron: my 2nd OT on patchwerk took 6 hits last night |
| 23:39.51 | NivFreak | that'd be 6 dead melee ;) |
| 23:40.04 | NeoTron | we're looking to recruit and tank wasn't on the list but perhaps it should be |
| 23:40.14 | NeoTron | especially thinking about sartharion.3 |
| 23:40.25 | Pneumatus | sarth+3 you need like 84 tanks |
| 23:40.33 | NivFreak | I'm doing prot warrior MT, feral druid OT, and unholy DK that tanks when needed |
| 23:40.37 | nevcairiel | we did sarth+2 with 4 tanks already |
| 23:40.38 | doom0r | Mikk: ping |
| 23:40.41 | Mikk | doom0r: pong |
| 23:40.49 | NivFreak | and I have a fury warrior that goes prot if needed |
| 23:40.50 | doom0r | make it recognize dk's |
| 23:40.53 | Mikk | which |
| 23:40.58 | Pneumatus | sarth+3 needs 3 tanks + something to tank whelps at a minimum |
| 23:40.59 | doom0r | you added more than the string? |
| 23:41.04 | Mikk | what |
| 23:41.08 | doom0r | chatter |
| 23:41.20 | Mikk | umm it recognizes dks just fine now? |
| 23:41.37 | NeoTron | so I think we need a bit more tankage than I initially estimated. a feral druid would be good |
| 23:41.50 | doom0r | the notes, you put: - Make it recognize death knights |
| 23:41.56 | doom0r | i'm asking if you just added the string |
| 23:41.57 | Pneumatus | 3 tanks on patchwerk25 makes things a lot easier anyway |
| 23:42.25 | Mikk | doom0r: it's more complicated than that really |
| 23:42.28 | Pneumatus | we have 2 warriors, a druid and a dk that tank |
| 23:42.40 | doom0r | k, just making sure you were aware of the upper that's performed |
| 23:42.42 | Pneumatus | and a dps dk that maintains a tank set |
| 23:42.42 | Mikk | It would work just fine with death knights when info was gotten from SOME places |
| 23:42.45 | doom0r | which would leave you with DEATH KNIGHT |
| 23:42.48 | doom0r | not DEATHKNIGHT |
| 23:42.52 | Mikk | I.e. places where it got "DEATHKNIGHT" from the API |
| 23:43.06 | Mikk | Er there's no upper being performed |
| 23:43.11 | Mikk | Not anymore |
| 23:43.23 | doom0r | k, there was in the last one, that's why i asked |
| 23:43.34 | Mikk | Ah, yeah, there was |
| 23:43.36 | doom0r | in the init, on classes |
| 23:43.41 | Mikk | No, I did a heck of a lot more than that |
| 23:43.44 | doom0r | cool |
| 23:43.47 | Mikk | Including adding autolearning of localized classes |
| 23:45.28 | doom0r | omfg |
| 23:45.49 | doom0r | IF is being raided, i try logging in to port there and get city defender kills, and i get dropped to Retrieving character list |
| 23:46.56 | sacarasc | sux2bu |
| 23:47.23 | doom0r | nah, i'll load before the horde who won't be as a group when the server comes back up |
| 23:47.26 | doom0r | free kills :) |
| 23:47.31 | Repo | 10libqtipclick-1-0: 03Torhal * r3 / (4 files in 2 directories): Added LibQTipClick-1.0.xml |
| 23:47.33 | Repo | Added LICENSE.txt, removed license from main Lua file. |
| 23:47.36 | Repo | Changed .toc to use the XML file. |
| 23:47.38 | Repo | Added Adirelle's callback methods to main Lua file. |
| 23:48.38 | doom0r | @project imhl |
| 23:48.39 | Repo | doom0r: No project found that matches 'imhl' |
| 23:49.05 | doom0r | scratches head |
| 23:49.19 | Torhal | @project ihml |
| 23:49.21 | Repo | Torhal: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ihml/. IHML - I Have Macro Lol!. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. Ackis (Manager/Author), Snago (Author). Updated: 4 hours ago. Tickets: 1/3 |
| 23:49.26 | doom0r | oh |
| 23:49.29 | doom0r | i c it nao |
| 23:49.36 | doom0r | anyways, wtf is ^ |
| 23:49.43 | doom0r | i can't believe i've never seen that |
| 23:49.46 | doom0r | that's phenomenal |
| 23:51.34 | thul | can you say BAD boobjob: http://fc41.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/350/8/6/86f77361a5fc8fa1e4fa4f9a28d19899.jpg (nsfw) |
| 23:52.15 | Zhinjio | sup Torhal |
| 23:52.29 | Torhal | Nada. You? |
| 23:52.32 | ckknight | ...perky |
| 23:53.11 | WobWork | damnit |
| 23:53.13 | WobWork | now I'm curious =P |
| 23:53.23 | thul | haha |
| 23:53.43 | thul | is it me, or do we experience a huge inflation of gold value each time we get a new expansion? :-P |
| 23:53.46 | ckknight | hey, anyone want to test something cool? |
| 23:54.10 | ckknight | well, not so much cool as in this could be cool once we launch it |
| 23:54.22 | Zhinjio | sure |
| 23:54.50 | WobWork | thul: Naturally |
| 23:54.56 | Zhinjio | Torhal: not a whole lot. Baby is being really fussy today, unfortuynately |
| 23:54.57 | WobWork | You have all the new players coming in |
| 23:55.06 | WobWork | and all the returning players who want crap without having to work for it |
| 23:55.08 | trh | ckknight: as long as it's on the web and not software ;) |
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| 23:56.05 | thul | I just made 300g on some random greens. |
| 23:56.06 | thul | juhu |
| 23:57.40 | doom0r | heh |
| 23:57.45 | doom0r | speaking of green |
| 23:57.49 | ulic | can it be testing 5m before I leave work to go home? |
| 23:57.53 | doom0r | i'm ally and selling green winter clothes for 50g a pop |
| 23:57.55 | ulic | s/testing/tested |
| 23:58.49 | thul | I have made like 2000-3000k gold from 70-73 |
| 23:58.56 | thul | without trying |
