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00:05.00kisk_anybody messed with lib-ScrollingTable??
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00:06.37kisk_I'm using it as a mixin like:  ATest = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("ATest", "AceComm-3.0", "lib-ScrollingTable");
00:08.08kisk_however, the library itself uses its own set of AceAddon-3.0 and such. When lib-ScrollingTable gets loaded, it can't find its instance of AceAddon-3.0
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00:08.47kisk_can you do in lua what you can do in an embeds.xml file?
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00:09.17Repo10buttonfacade: 03StormFX 043.0.3b1 * r188 :  (Message trimmed by 4 lines)
00:09.19Repo- Removed FuBar/Harbor support (Use Broker2FuBar).
00:09.22Repo- Added Broker Support.
00:09.24Repo- Added LibDBIcon support.
00:09.27Repo- Rebuilt the options window.
00:14.07WraithanDoes curse have it's on channel on here?
00:14.24sztanpetdont know, curseforge has
00:14.36Zhinjio#curseforge
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00:16.57fewynany good proc watching style addons?
00:17.36sztanpet@project nao
00:17.37Reposztanpet: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/nao/. Nao!!. Game: WoW. leethal (Manager/Author), disht (Author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 6/21
00:17.43sztanpetthat^
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01:00.23thulhmm
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01:58.51squidbearHey
02:03.55CursesHello
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02:10.51LywellynHaving a commit problem, with character encoding, can anyone help?
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02:11.26sztanpet~asktoask
02:11.27purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
02:11.54Lywellyn...
02:12.09LywellynI can't commit because it says I have a character encoding problem, what can I do?
02:12.32sztanpetwhere, whats the error give us something MOAR
02:13.12sztanpetremove the bom from your files if you have one
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02:13.25LywellynSays that there's a pre-commit error.  That it can't use the file because of it's encoding, and says allowed encoding is utf-8.  The encoding of this file IS utf-8.
02:13.33Lywellyn"bom"?
02:13.42sztanpetthe byte order mark
02:13.49sztanpetwhat editor are you using
02:13.59Lywellynnormally notepad++
02:14.17sztanpeti think that knows how to include bom or not
02:14.17Lywellynbut I was sent this file, so my editor is irrelevant.
02:14.21sztanpetor at least you can tell it to
02:15.04Lywellynthis might shed a bit more light:  The file in question is a Russian locale translation file.  I was sent it saying that it had to be re-encoded for it to work for his client.  Not knowing any better, I'm taking him at his word.
02:17.22Gahzirraopen file, press ctrl+a, then ctrl+v
02:17.29Gahzirramake a new text file
02:17.32Gahzirractrl+v
02:17.37Gahzirracommit that?
02:18.14LywellynI assume you're telling me to copy/paste it to a new file?  This would take away from what I've been told is a required UTF-8 encoding for his locale though.
02:21.40sztanpetdownload another projects russion translation file, and replace its contents with yours and upload that
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02:28.55Gnarfozor just read what was already said and save it again without a Byte-order-marker
02:29.05Gnarfozyour editor knows how to, just find the option. ;)
02:29.36Gnarfozalso, pasting it into a new file would not mean the new file wouldn't be UTF-8, as long as you didn't set it that way ^^
02:30.03LywellynALright, tried a number of things.
02:30.23LywellynTried the pasting into an existing ruRU file, didn't work.  Tried using notepad++ to convert to "UTF-8 without BOM", didn't work.
02:31.10Gnarfozgot a hex editor handy?
02:31.21Gnarfozor can NP++ maybe even show files as hex itself?
02:31.47TorhalMeh. wowace.com is borked again. Yay.
02:34.04Gahzirrablames ckknight
02:34.27ArrowmasterLywellyn: copy paste doesnt change the encoding
02:34.38Arrowmasterjust try it
02:34.49LywellynI said I did try it.
02:35.23Gnarfozyeah, that's what you said
02:35.33LywellynOr, i opened an existing ruRU file that does work on the repository, pasted the contents of my file to it, saved it, tried to commit, still didn't work.
02:35.40Gnarfoznow, does np++ have a hex-edit mode, and if so, what are the first 2 bytes? :O
02:35.53LywellynI'm downloading a hex editor plugin for it now
02:36.03Shiriknevcairiel: ping
02:36.04Arrowmasterwhat exactly did he say about the encoding when he sent it
02:36.18Lywellynthat he had to re-encode it as UTF-8 for it to work with his client.
02:36.33ShirikWhat is Ace licensed under? GPL
02:36.33Shirik?
02:36.34Arrowmasterdid he say what encoding he sent it as?
02:36.57ArrowmasterShirik: BSDish for Ace3, it has an extra clause
02:37.04Shirikblah
02:37.05Lywellyn...yes, he said he encoded it as UTF-8, and Firefox verifies that.
02:37.08Shiriknow I have to actually read the license
02:37.37Arrowmasterguessing you are on a windows computer?
02:37.39Gnarfozfirefox doesn't know shit about encodings
02:37.50Arrowmasteryeah it really doesnt
02:37.58Gnarfozit believes whatever the server tells it :O
02:38.00LywellynYes, I am, and I'd really prefer not to have to install python if I can help it ><
02:38.01Arrowmasterit just knows what the server tells it
02:38.50Arrowmasterdid the precommit hook tell you any details when it errored?
02:38.59Arrowmasteroriginally it gave a possition i think
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02:39.31Arrowmasterdo you have a lua.exe?
02:40.04Gnarfozcan you host the file somewhere :O
02:40.05LywellynJust says 'pre-commit' hook failed with error output: [file] has a syntax error: File not encoded correctly for game 'wow' (allowed encodings: utf-8)
02:40.09Gnarfozthat'd make stuff easier :D
02:40.26Arrowmasterhost means actually host, not pastey or anything like that
02:40.36LywellynI'm well aware what "host" means.
02:40.52Lywellynfortunately, I have webspace, yes.
02:40.58Arrowmasterjust saying because pastey.net belew up on me before with utf8
02:41.13quiescenskaboom~!
02:41.17Lywellynreally.  that's odd.
02:41.18Shirik~boom
02:41.19purlThe World's First Linux-Only Modification For Quake 2. URL: http://fragland.net/boom/
02:41.23Shirik...
02:41.34quiescens/bonk shirik
02:41.38Arrowmasterput it somewhere and ill wget it from my nix box
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02:42.37Lywellynfirst two bytes are EFBB.  That's the BOM, isn't it?
02:42.45Arrowmasterno
02:42.58Lywellynoh.  though it looked familiar from what I had read so far.
02:43.00ShirikEFEE or EEEF iirc
02:43.13Gnarfozshould be EEEF, IIRC
02:43.20Shirikcan be either
02:43.26Shirikthe purpose is to determine endianness
02:43.27Lywellynwait, the curse faq I was looking at says the BOM for utf-8 is EF BB BF
02:43.33Lywellynwhich is what my file is.
02:43.46Arrowmasteroh
02:43.49Gnarfozyeah. and it shouldn't have a BOM.
02:43.49Arrowmasteryeah thats right
02:43.49Gnarfoz:p
02:43.58Arrowmasterno it should have a bom
02:44.28Shirikok then what is EEEF :/
02:44.46Gnarfozactually, I meant FFFE, I had it the wrong way around :D
02:45.05Shirikyeah that
02:45.10ArrowmasterFFFE is utf-16-le
02:45.13Lywellynwell either way, it doesn't work.  Now that I see it in hex mode, Notepad++'s convert to utf-8 without bom *does* work...
02:45.21Shirikoh that's the UTF-16 BOM
02:45.26Shirikyeah
02:45.55Lywellynhttp://www.barononline.org/public/InscriptionFuLocale-ruRU.lua
02:45.57Repo10proculas: 03Xocide * r66 Core.lua:
02:46.00RepoFixed a bug and added some comments in the code about some functions.
02:46.25Lywellynthat's without the BOM, btw.
02:46.42Gnarfozgrrr fucking racer achievement :O
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02:47.29Lywellynwhat, it's easy. :p
02:47.32ArrowmasterLywellyn: no error for me in python
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02:47.40Arrowmastervalid utf8
02:47.46Lywellynthen why won't the repository let me commit it? ><
02:47.51Shirik./InscriptionFuLocale-ruRU.lua: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with CRLF line terminators
02:48.30LywellynOh my f*%&ing god.
02:48.38quiescenso.O
02:48.45LywellynPlease excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall a few times.
02:48.52Shirik?
02:48.53quiescenswhat kind of wall?
02:48.54LywellynIt wasn't the Russian file that's erroring, it's my GERMAN one ><
02:48.59Shirikfovl
02:49.00Shirikrofl
02:49.00Arrowmasterrofl
02:49.29Lywellynso youc an't use ANSI at all?
02:50.15Arrowmasteryou mean without the bom
02:50.22Arrowmasterits utf8 nomatter what for wow
02:51.03LywellynActually, the german one just worked *with* the bom. :p
02:51.11Lywellynbut okay, utf-8.  I learned something today. ><
02:51.23ShirikWoW will ignore the BOM, but it doesn't have to be there
02:51.31Lywellynwait a damn minute.
02:51.35Lywellynmy enUS locale file is ANSI!
02:51.44Arrowmasterdoesnt matter
02:51.46Lywellynand it works just fine in the repository!
02:51.59quiescensthat's because its mostly a subset anyway
02:52.00ShirikAll of the lower code page ASCII characters fit in UTF-8
02:52.03Shirikit was specifically designed that way
02:52.17Arrowmastera utf8 file without a bom and without using any characters not found on a US english keyboard is also ANSI
02:52.27LywellynOh okay, and since it's plain English, doesn't use anys pecial characters, it works?  I get it then.
02:52.34Arrowmasterright
02:52.42Gnarfozbtw, BOM in .toc = bad :P
02:52.49Arrowmasterbom in toc is fine
02:53.04Arrowmasteror is there some other issue?
02:54.26Gnarfozmaybe I'm not up to date anymore on that, but I remember that being problematic :O
02:54.47Gahzirraleans back in his chair and sneaks a peek up Arrowmaster's skirt
02:54.49Arrowmasterit used to be before TBC but one of the later 1.x patches fixed it
02:55.01Arrowmaster.....
02:56.04Arrowmasternow a bom in an xml file i would say is probably a bad idea
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02:56.55Arrowmastersince really it should start with '<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>' instead, ive not tested it but im guessing that doesnt cause any issues in wow
02:57.39LywellynIs there a bit of lag for tagging your repository?
02:59.00Arrowmasterusing the web interface? it should be almost instant
02:59.09Arrowmastersyncing to curse.com does take a while
02:59.21LywellynI thought so.  But I tagged it, and it didn't show any commit message in the Dev channel...
02:59.40Arrowmasterusing the web interface?
02:59.43LywellynYeah
03:00.17Lywellynand I'd hate to re-tag it and find out the original somehow went though, then I'd have two v1.1 files and it'd be all messy. :p
03:00.32Arrowmasterthat shouldnt happen
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03:00.53Arrowmasteras long as you keep trying the same exact tag name
03:01.35LywellynYeah, tried it again, the web interface returns "Successfully edited repository" but still no commit messages.
03:01.48Lywellynwonder if it's broked?
03:01.57Arrowmastermight
03:06.15Zhinjiook, so apparently I have now officially entered daddy-hood.
03:06.26ZhinjioI put together the baby's new toys before setting up my new monitor
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03:07.25Gnarfoz@project buttonfacade
03:07.26RepoGnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/buttonfacade/. ButtonFacade. Game: WoW. StormFX (Manager/Author), jjsheets (Author), Satrina (Author). Updated: 2 hours ago. Tickets: 2/5
03:07.52Gnarfozwhoever tagged that last majorly fucked up.
03:07.52Gnarfoz:p
03:08.34Pkekyo|http://bash.org/?846604 vote it up plees :>
03:09.13sztanpetooh thats actually half decent
03:09.36Pkekyo|ohjes ;>
03:09.56Lywellynvoted.  classic.
03:10.06Pkekyo|meh, got to get to work in 26 hours
03:10.12Pkekyo|regular sleep pattern = win
03:10.20Pkekyo|and cheers for the votage ;>
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03:14.08Lywellyngod damn it why did you remind me about bash.org ;o
03:15.24Pkekyo|because I need the votes :p
03:15.38Lywellynwaaaa I can't leave xD
03:16.08Pkekyo|been there, done that...and then I read EVERY quote on the bloody site :p
03:16.14Pkekyo|and now I'm ok again :)
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03:44.41Gnarfoz~seen stormfx
03:44.43purlstormfx <i=user@12-219-196-5.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 662d 21h 47m 17s ago, saying: 'You're welcome, friend. All I really did was verify the licenses and make sure they were up to par. Had to remove a font from Font pack 1, though :('.
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03:49.04Repo10libfail-1-0: 03sylvanaar * r14 LibFail-1.0.lua:
03:49.06Repoconvert spell names to spell ID's. add a fall damage check after the thaddius jump
03:52.40sylvanaargod now i have to retest it
03:54.38Gnarfozagain, and again, and again.
03:54.39Gnarfoz;)
03:55.33sylvanaartake pitty on me and help test it
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03:58.03quiescensfall damage check?
03:58.29doom0rwoooooooooooooooooot
03:58.32doom0rgreen proto drake
03:58.45sacarascgrats doom0r
03:58.56sylvanaargrats doom0r
03:59.10sylvanaarquiescens ? what
03:59.28sylvanaarif you miss the jump - you fall
03:59.55quiescensdon't you take some miniscule amount of fall damage or something anyway
04:00.00quiescensI forget
04:00.24Gnarfozno, not normally
04:00.30sylvanaarits all about the missing the jump part
04:00.49quiescensthe acid/poison/greengoo damage?
04:00.51sylvanaaryou either hit solid ground, or fall in slime
04:02.00sylvanaarif you hit solid ground you take fall damage
04:02.27sylvanaar(assuming you missed the jump)
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04:05.47Repo10buttonfacade: 03Arrowmaster 043.0.3b1 * r189 : Remove botched tag
04:05.51Repo10buttonfacade: 038tImER 043.0.3b1.1 * r191 : Clean up 3.0.3b1 tag which went totally wrong
04:05.55Repo10buttonfacade: 03Arrowmaster 043.0.3b2 * r190 : Make a new tag to replace the previous broken one
04:05.59Repo10proculas: 03Xocide * r67 Core.lua:
04:06.02RepoCleaned up the code some more and added more comments to the functions.
04:06.03doom0romg, i had no idea what this thing looks like
04:06.05Repo10buttonfacade: 038tImER 043.0.3b1.1 * r192 : nevermind, nothing to see here. (curse you Arrow :P)
04:06.05doom0rit's freakin awesome
04:06.12Repo10failboat: 03sylvanaar * r22 FailBoat.lua: touched by a troll
04:06.27sacarasc"touched by a troll"?
04:06.40sylvanaari had to get the lib rebuilt
04:06.48sylvanaarits also the name of a buff
04:07.10sacarascit sounds like the start of a sexual harassment suit
04:07.20sylvanaarfrom the talisman of troll (?) divinity
04:07.46sylvanaarit stacks
04:08.05sylvanaarTouched By A Troll (5)
04:09.40GnarfozArrowmaster: wheee it lives :0
04:12.39RepoNew announcement: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/merry-christmas/
04:13.07Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r182 modules/PopupMessage.lua:
04:13.10Repocheck PLAYERLINK for nil before calling :match (not sure why its nil)
04:14.36doom0rwow, i'm still giggling, lol
04:22.54sacarascwhy?
04:24.23TorhalBlargh.
04:24.27Torhal/wrists
04:24.37TorhalI get to have fun, now.
04:24.48TorhalI get to wrap my head around secure frames for LibQTipClick.
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04:36.04Zhinjioso talk to me about HDMI video cards.
04:36.25Zhinjiomy very limited research so far makes it look like its somewhat of a fringe or niche product
04:41.03doom0rdon't see the need
04:41.13doom0rdvi can do hdcp
04:42.29Zhinjiowell, so here's the thing.
04:42.40Zhinjiomy wife got me a monitor that has dsub and hdmi
04:42.42Zhinjiono dbi
04:42.44Zhinjioer, dvi
04:42.58Zhinjioso I need to decide if I wanna get a new video card, or trade it in for a monitor with dvi
04:43.13ShefkiYou probably want to use DVI.
04:43.19Arrowmasterhdmi and dvi are compatible
04:43.33Zhinjiowait, is there an adapter do-jiggey?
04:43.36Arrowmasteryes
04:43.48Zhinjiowoot!
04:44.06ShefkiJust be prepared to pay through the nose for it.
04:44.11Gahzirradresses up Arrowmaster in his best Napoleon outfit
04:44.30Zhinjiogah, ok... lemme poke around
04:45.05Arrowmastershould just be a cable and not like a converter box or anything
04:45.12ShefkiSeems anything that says hdmi costs 3 times what it should.
04:45.23Zhinjionods.
04:45.30Zhinjiocablenmor.com to the rescue
04:45.43ShefkiYou can usually find cheap stuff online, but if you go to a local store they jack the prices insanely.
04:45.58Zhinjio$16.50
04:46.02Zhinjiosweet deal
04:46.07Arrowmastercables are always over priced
04:46.13RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/revelation/. Revelation. Torhal (Manager/Author). Approved by Zhinjio.
04:46.27Zhinjioah, awit... thats just the connectors. lemme see...
04:46.41Zhinjio3' cable, $24
04:46.46Zhinjiothat'll do.
04:46.53Arrowmastera friend worked at a bestbuy and got some $50 cable, hdmi i think, for like $1 with employee discount
04:46.58doom0ryes, peopple tend to believe that they need to pay a shit ton for copper in a new configuration
04:47.12Zhinjionow I just need to make sure it has the proper ends on it.
04:47.43Torhalckknight: pingage
04:48.34Repo10buttonfacade: 03ananhaid * r193 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): ButtonFacade:
04:48.35Repo- zhCN/zhTW update.
04:53.03TorhalBlargh. I have no repository for Revelation, so I cannot commit.
04:53.54Zhinjioso, um, edit it.
04:53.59Zhinjiogrins.
04:54.15TorhalI did. It was set to none, I set it to SVN, but it doesn't exist.
04:54.27TorhalThey all default to None, actually :)
04:54.36Zhinjiomight be some site script lag is all I can think
04:55.17TorhalError: No repository found in 'svn://torhal@svn.wowace.com/wow/revelation/mainline/trunk'  
04:55.39TorhalProbably, though it has been awhile since I set it to Subversion.
04:56.16ZhinjioI waited over an hour one night on that.
04:57.11doom0rZhinjio: does HitCrit handle vulnerable mobs?
04:57.20TorhalI'm beginning to wonder if I'll ever actually play WoW again. I seem to be coding all the time again.
05:00.01Zhinjiodoom0r: it currently ignores mobs if they're grey, but doesn't handle mobs with major damage debuffs, no
05:00.05Zhinjioso to speak
05:00.28doom0rya, i saw the low level in the changelog, didn't see anything bout dmg debuffs
05:00.58Zhinjiounfortunately, thats alot of manual work. there really isn't any way to detect it except by mob name, comparing to a list.
05:01.02Zhinjiowhich is ass.
05:01.21TorhalZhinjio: But you're a Datamining God.
05:01.30ZhinjioI am?
05:01.34Zhinjiooh jesus, hell no.
05:01.38TorhalHahahaha
05:01.54ZhinjioI need to automate the extractor stuff still. doing that by hand sucked monkey
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05:11.42sztanpeti have a [homes] section in my smb.conf but that should be refering to my home dir and i see a homes dir and dir with my username both going to the same place
05:11.53sztanpetany idea how i remove the homes one
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06:02.23doom0rqq, tlpd is in the server cache
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06:25.08Repo10pokedex: 03stencil * r14 / (3 files in 1 directory):
06:25.10RepoFinished updating mount UI. Having only mounts of similar type in dropdown will make it easier to use for those with many mounts.
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06:26.18Repo10repheaderremember: 03stencil * r7 RepHeaderRemember.toc: updated version number, ready for release
06:29.07TorhalKaelten: pingage
06:33.42sztanpeton 2week vacation
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06:34.07TorhalBah. And ckknight isn't responding either.
06:34.20sztanpetsleeping
06:34.40sztanpet1:34 am there
06:34.52TorhalLIES! He is physically incapable of sleeping.
06:35.00TorhalIt's 1:34am here as well :)
06:35.31what`sthatsmelltrims Torhal's toenails
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06:42.36Zhinjiosleep?
06:42.41Zhinjiowhat is this sleep you sopeak of?
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07:06.09TorhalZhinjio: No clue.
07:07.03TorhalAll I know is my repository still doesn't exist.
07:07.07Torhalgrumbles.
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07:16.58Zhinjiothat sucks. thats definitely longer than I've ever had to wait
07:17.00ZhinjioI think
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07:19.39RepoMorgDKP2
07:19.42Repo-raid editing and itemDB editing fully functional in raidtracker
07:19.43Repo-added other bosses in obsidian sanctum
07:19.46Repo-fixed/changed all DKP systems for new raidtracker changes (zerosum was not doing some things correctly should be now)
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08:54.46Zhinjiocan dewdrop and tablet be invoked through libstub?
08:54.58Zhinjioor do they actually require AceLibrary
08:57.42TorhalThey supposedly require AceLibrary.
08:57.44nevcairielthey require AL
08:57.48TorhalWhy?
08:57.52Zhinjiocrap.
08:58.15Torhalnevcairiel: Bonk someone. My new project has no repository. :)
08:59.04TorhalZhinjio: Make LibQTipClick support secure frames so I don't have to.
08:59.05Zhinjiowell shit.
08:59.07nevcairielBecause the AceLibrary initialization code with that "activate" function is quite different
08:59.13Zhinjioyikes
08:59.15nevcairielhm when did you create the project?
08:59.35Torhalnevcairiel: Over 24 hours ago. I specified that it was a Subversion project about 5 hours ago.
08:59.42nevcairielhm wowace page isnt responding again =P
08:59.52Zhinjioits been on and off all day
08:59.57Zhinjiofits and starts
09:11.17TorhalZhinjio: WHat are you doing with Tablet and Dewdrop?
09:16.10Zhinjiothis is in my previous plugin, SKG
09:16.22ZhinjioI do some pretty complex multi-layer dewdropds
09:16.27Zhinjiotablet I could probably nuke
09:16.58Zhinjiodrop-down menus
09:18.01ZhinjioI guess I need to break down and just figure out cellproviders and stop procrastinating
09:18.05Zhinjiocries.
09:18.47TorhalHehehehe
09:18.54TorhalWell, depends on what you're doing.
09:19.27TorhalAnd until I add secure frame handling to LibQTipClick, I'm forced to use Dewdrop for Revelation.
09:24.54TorhalZhinjio: ping
09:25.01Zhinjiopong
09:25.24Torhallocal menu = QTC:Acquire("MyAddonMenu", 5)
09:25.31ZhinjioI have one particularly complex dropdwon that has to contain (in theory) like... 200+ players
09:25.51Zhinjiolistens
09:26.17Zhinjiocan a hover of one line in that trigger a second one?
09:26.30Zhinjiowell, no.. I mean, I know it can
09:26.35Zhinjiobut thats what I need
09:26.35Torhalmenu:SetCell(line, col, "Button1", {arg1 = blah, arg2 = heh})
09:26.50Torhalmenu:SetCallback("OnMouseDown", myHandler)
09:27.29Torhallocal function myHandler(cell, arg, event) if type(arg) == "table" then
09:27.40Torhal:D
09:27.59TorhalOk, for hovering: menu:SetCallback("OnEnter", myHandler)
09:28.32TorhalAnd in the SetCell() you can also use a function instead of a table.
09:28.54Torhalmenu:SetCell(line, col, "Button1", function() DoSomething() end)
09:29.28TorhalYou'll still have to define the handler function though
09:29.38Zhinjionods.
09:29.42TorhalThen do a: arg()
09:29.49Zhinjioas soon as I'm done with my dailies here, I'll look closer
09:29.54Zhinjiogoddamnit.
09:29.55Zhinjiogrins.
09:29.58TorhalHeh
09:30.23TorhalAnd DoSomething() could: menu2 = QTC:Acquire()
09:30.30TorhalAd-hock dewdrop.
09:31.52TorhalAs soon as I realized I could pass a function as the argument, I decided I didn't need to bloat the library with a :SetCellFunction()
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09:45.13ZhinjioI think I should probably branch to play with that.
09:45.21TorhalAye.
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09:51.28Zhinjioah great, now I'm getting no repository errors as well
09:51.30Zhinjiosighs.
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09:52.29TorhalBlargh.
09:52.45Torhalckknight: See what you did? You went to sleep and wowace blew up.
09:52.57Zhinjioits been finicky for days, imho
09:53.08TorhalYah, but it's exploded today.
09:53.12ZhinjioI suspect shenanigans
09:53.22TorhalHeh
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09:55.41ChexsumHi ;)
09:55.53Repo10skg: 03Zhinjio * r124 / (5 files in 2 directories): SKG :
09:55.55Repo- fixed acegui dependency
09:55.58Repo- added in 3 more ignores
09:56.00Repo- fixed usage message
09:56.11ChexsumSetting up my phone...
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09:59.28ChexsumWtb #wowace on iphone howto
10:00.20Repo10buttonfacade: 03StormFX * r194 tags/ (2 files in 2 directories): - Clean up old tags.
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10:11.00ZhinjioI can browse to my mainline, I can't browse to the new one.
10:11.08Zhinjiothere's definitely some serious funk in the gears
10:12.22Fisker-maybe it's in the cogs
10:12.57Zhinjiomaybe I should try and branch using svn instead. lemme see if I can figure that out.
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10:13.50Zhinjiono, that won't work. there has to be a repository there.
10:13.52Zhinjioblah
10:14.00Zhinjiolooks like this waits for someone to kick it in the junk
10:14.29Fisker-is all over Zhinjio's junk
10:14.44ZhinjioI have plenty of junk, to be sure.
10:15.39Fisker-What are you going to do with it?
10:15.47Fisker-in the case that all that junk is in your trunk?
10:16.13ZhinjioI do not keep my junk in the trunk, I do not keep it there at all
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10:16.28ZhinjioI keep my junk with the skunk! (eevn though  he's very small)
10:16.28Fisker-spoilsport :(
10:16.37Zhinjiochannels Dr.Seuss for a moment.
10:21.44Repo10procodile: 03Zarnivoop * r48 / (3 files in 1 directory): Oops, forgot a line in embeds.xml
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10:44.38TorhalZhinjio: Boo! Hiss! www.wowace.com thwarts us!
10:44.49ZhinjioIt does indeed.
10:45.14TorhalSecure frames make me want to gouge my eyes out with an olive fork.
10:45.23TorhalPerhps I should sleep before pondering on them further,
10:45.38Torhals/Perhps/Perhaps/
10:45.45TorhalAnd stuff.
10:45.47Zhinjiommm, olives.
10:45.52TorhalHeh.
10:45.53Zhinjioactually, I hate olives
10:45.57Zhinjioso yeah
10:46.07ZhinjioI'm slowly wrapping up to go to bed myself
10:46.17Zhinjiolooks like I'll next attempt this after the bar tmw evening
10:46.25TorhalConsidering the fact that it's 5:46am here, I'm long overdue.
10:46.41Zhinjioone more ah scan
10:46.46TorhalHeh
10:46.50Zhinjionods.
10:47.10TorhalSpeaking of...must log into "Merchant" and get all the herbs I sent him to AH.
10:47.34Zhinjiosteals yr herbs.
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11:04.47Repo10procodile: 03Zarnivoop * r49 / (3 files in 1 directory): Minimap button fixed
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11:09.37Repo10procodile: 03Zarnivoop * r50 Procodile.toc: Remove from .toc as well
11:10.21Repo10procodile: 03Zarnivoop * r51 ProcodileLDB.lua: Remove from file as well
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11:27.00ZhinjioG"night
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11:40.42Xinhuanevening :)
11:42.07nevcairielmorning
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11:49.03vhaarrgday
11:50.06Fisker-hisses
11:54.42Fisker-btw
11:54.49Fisker-good afternoon etc.
11:55.02doom0rmmm
11:55.10Fisker-y helo thar doom0r
11:55.45doom0rckknight: paste needs to give a short link, http://wowace.com/paste/40 is way better than http://www.wowace.com/paste/40-equip-dagger-stealth-ambush-equip-sword-ss/
11:56.17nevcairielthe links are too long anyway
11:56.35doom0rthe first one resolves to second
11:56.42doom0rjust need to get that given to user easy
11:56.43doom0rtry it
11:56.46nevcairiellinks like http://is.gd/2ZJk are nice shorturls =P
11:56.58nevcairielor pastey.net/foo
11:57.17doom0rhttp://wowace.com/paste/40 isn't bad
11:57.19doom0rand works
11:58.08doom0rjust not everyone is gonna realize that or try and waste the time to reform it
11:58.48doom0rbtw, nice dagger ambush macro for a non-dagger rogue
12:02.38doom0rthere's a reply function, but no edit function
12:02.41doom0r=\
12:02.47doom0r/cast [equipped:Daggers,nocombat,nostealth] Stealth
12:02.47doom0r/equipslot [nostealth,nocombat,noequipped:Daggers] 16 DAGGER
12:02.47doom0r/equipslot [combat,equipped:Daggers] 16 SWORD
12:02.47doom0r/cast [stealth,equipped:Daggers] Ambush; [combat] Sinister Strike()
12:02.56doom0rbah, sorry
12:03.15doom0ri need to go to bed
12:04.06Repo10failboat: 03ananhaid * r24 / (2 files in 2 directories): FailBoat:
12:04.08Repo- add zhCN locale.
12:04.51doom0rheh
12:04.51doom0ralready being translated ;x
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12:35.19RepoForgot to add the proculasldb.lua file for DataBroker support, my bad.
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13:15.00Pkekyo|http://bash.org/?846604
13:15.00Pkekyo|UNDERWEAR
13:15.46Cheads=)
13:16.08Pkekyo|vote it up ;>
13:20.33Fisker-Pkekyo| my friend
13:20.52Fisker-Done! Quote #846604 has been downgraded.
13:20.53Fisker-ah shit :E
13:20.55Fisker-wrong button
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13:38.03Wobingoddamnit
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13:40.03Fisker-dun dun dun
13:40.44doom0rwtf, rogues went form like 3 usable skills to more than my pally can make use of
13:42.53selckinpally has like 4?
13:43.10doom0rbad ones, yes
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13:44.50doom0reven a bad BE ret paladin uses at least 6
13:45.41doom0rtime for sleep
13:48.20LywellynWobin: I said those exact words last night. lol.
14:04.04winkillerwow, now I have to press more buttons to do less damage, cool
14:07.55Xinhuanless? you kidding me?
14:08.30Xinhuanprot pallies can do more damage than a weakly (in blues) geared mage now, especially in an instance where you 4-5 pull every pack
14:08.44Xinhuanconsecration ticks 5k damage every sec easily (in total)
14:09.35winkillerI'm talkin bout rogues
14:09.49winkiller[14:40:34] (doom0r) wtf, rogues went form like 3 usable skills to more than my pally can make use of
14:09.56selckinXinhuan: if the mage finds his aoe button
14:10.22Xinhuanhence i said weakly geared ;p
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14:19.56Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r1831 / (7 files in 7 directories):
14:19.59Repo- Added missing pvp rewards (designs and deadly gladiator items)
14:20.01Repo- Added/Corrected Honor prices/Ratings
14:20.03Repo- Made a new sub-menu for the non-set epic page
14:20.06Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r1832 Documentation/Release Notes.txt: - Update to the release notes
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14:51.08ckknightTorhal: pong
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15:28.17vhaarrStanzilla: which boss was that on?
15:28.53Stanzillavhaarr: occolus I think, so it could be a littlewigs problem, too. just saw it in bugsack a few hours later
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15:32.36ckknightDiao has issues
15:33.24thuli hate sloppy software developers
15:33.55Fisker-like thul
15:34.28thul:-(
15:35.02thulwhen you promise that "that piece of software will be done in 2008", and it is not.. :-(
15:35.06thulwhat am i paying fooooro
15:36.12Sunwindwas hoping someone could help me with an error i've been getting in naxx
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15:36.19ckknightyou're paying for empty promises, thul
15:37.24Sunwindhttp://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9100/wowscrnshot122608153412gu5.jpg
15:37.28Sunwindany ideas?
15:37.36Sunwindactually ckknight i'm glad your here, I think the problem may be Pitbull
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15:37.42ckknightouch, Sunwind
15:37.57ckknightSunwind: if so, realize I'm not going to fix PitBull3, but rather get PitBull4 working.
15:38.15ckknightso it'll be at least a few days before you can start using that in any event
15:38.27Fisker-how do you fix itchy balls?
15:38.32Aiiane....
15:38.50ckknightFisker-: baby powder
15:38.54Sunwindwill I be able to get pitbull 4 looking like how my PB3 does there?
15:39.00Fisker-thanks :3
15:39.07ckknightSunwind: probably.
15:39.15ckknightSunwind: also, a lot easier to config
15:40.27Sunwindso do you think my problem = pitbull?
15:40.28ckknightin any event, it's still not usable, minimum a few days out
15:40.35ckknightno, it might be something else
15:40.41ckknightgranted, it could be pitbull
15:40.45ckknightthe message isn't revealing.
15:40.52SunwindI think it might be Recount gathering too much data, but pitbull is the only addon that really screws up when it happens
15:41.27ckknightbtw, when reporting an error like that, first get BugGrabber and BugSack
15:41.28ckknightor Swatter
15:41.44ckknightBlizzard's error handling is quite unuseful for us
15:43.43Sunwindwhat one should I get?
15:44.48Aiianedoesn't really matter, they both provide the more detailed error reports that are actually helpful
15:47.18Aiianethe fact that recount does have over 24mb of data does seem a little excessive :P
15:47.26Aiianeyou might try clearing its data a bit more often
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15:56.00Fisker-YOU DISSING BLIZZARD EH CKKNIGHT?
15:56.03Fisker-prepare to be boarded
15:56.09ckknightfuck Blizzard
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16:16.50selckinwhat would you call the proces of approving/deny'ing a request?
16:17.18Adyswhat kind of request?
16:17.35selckinlike, uhm say an order
16:17.43Adysapproval?
16:17.53Adysconsideration?
16:18.51selckintimes like this i wish i was a ntive english speaker
16:18.54selckinall sound wierd to me
16:19.05AdysI'm not native english
16:23.11Gnarfozgiev more context
16:23.15Gnarfozget better answers
16:23.16Gnarfoz:O
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16:26.25RepoGnarfoz: More than one project was returned. Try supplying a game. Possible games: war, wow.
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16:26.44RepoGnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/. Ace3. Game: WoW. Kaelten (Manager/Author), Nargiddley (Author), Ammo (Author), Antiarc (Author), Nevcairiel (Author/Maintainer), hyperactiveChipmunk (Author), mikk (Author). Updated: 7 days ago. Tickets: 7/13
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17:38.11chiperwow http://vimeo.com/2625538
17:38.15chipersimply wow
17:38.45Repo10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 6c40e9f / (9 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
17:38.48Repo6c40e9f: change the naming of some things, split things up some more for clarity.
17:38.50Repo465e5f8: Move some functions around
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18:07.24Repo10little-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r506 / (4 files in 2 directories): frFR Update
18:08.20XinhuanDiao
18:09.22Repo10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 7602a0d / (17 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits]
18:09.25Repo7602a0d: Split up Options into its own sections, put it in its own folder
18:09.27Repoaebe4a2: Move some more things around
18:09.30Repo0bebf73: move some files around, use XML instead of the TOC to load up files.
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18:11.24XinhuanDiao
18:11.31chiperare there any mage gear sets that reduce frost nova cooldown?
18:11.37chiperor CoC
18:11.39Xinhuanno
18:11.47Xinhuanonly talents can reduce them
18:11.54Xinhuanby 20%
18:11.59chiperdarn, not even old world sets?
18:12.06Xinhuannope
18:12.13chiperhrm
18:13.22Repo10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * d6ef615 / (8 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Move the module handling parts to its own folder
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18:16.44ckknightI'm gonna kickban Diao and then unban in 5 minutes
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18:17.13ckknightpart of me thinks it's two machines fighting for the account
18:17.23ckknightbut it could just be one with horrid connection issues
18:17.30Arrowmasterconnection issues
18:17.34ckknighthrm...
18:18.45what`sthatsmellin ckknight's attic
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18:20.15ckknight...lol
18:20.20ckknightI don't have an attic
18:20.26ckknightI keep the dead bodies in an old shed
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18:28.19sztanpetooh pitbull4 is moving forward rapidly i see, any estimates? :D
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18:29.34ckknightsztanpet: my goal is for alpha testing on Sunday
18:29.54ckknightalso when 3rd parties can start hacking on it
18:30.08ckknightthough actually, if anyone feels like it, they can start making status bar or icon modules now
18:31.05ckknightboth of which are very easy to do, actually :-P
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18:33.51SarozI'm thinking of getting Grid :X
18:34.11Aiianewhy wouldn't you get grid
18:34.11ckknightokay
18:34.20ckknightwhat's so controversial about that, Saroz?
18:34.33SarozCause I'm the author of sRaidFrames :S
18:34.36Aiianegrid is by far the most efficient solution for unit status out there :P
18:34.37Sarozbut now I'm a tank, so
18:35.10ckknighthrm
18:35.43Sarozoh nice, Pitbull4
18:38.31ckknightSaroz: yea, it's a full rewrite and I'm doing it a lot better this time around
18:39.24SarozNice nice, looking forward to seeing it
18:41.53SarozAce3 too ;)
18:42.07ckknightyea, I caved
18:42.13SarozGood man
18:42.22ckknightI still think it sucks, don't get me wrong
18:42.29ckknightthough overall my main gripe is lack of good docs
18:42.38SarozFixable
18:42.41ckknightbut that just means I might write docs later.
18:42.45ckknight...
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18:42.46ckknight:-P
18:43.03Saroznice nice
18:43.05ckknightSaroz: absolutely everything is doc'd in PitBull4
18:44.30Aiianeckknight, writing documentation? the world is ending
18:44.45ckknighttruth
18:44.58ckknightthough actually all of Rock was documented, too
18:45.00ckknightat least the API
18:45.06ckknightthe internal docs and comments weren't great
18:46.52what`sthatsmellpounces ckknight
18:46.59ckknightwho is what`sthatsmell?
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18:47.14ckknightis it Groktar?
18:47.32ckknightor Fisker?
18:47.53Aiiane"Real name: flakums"
18:47.53Arrowmasterwhat`sthatsmell is signed on as account Groktar
18:47.57Aiiane:P
18:48.14Arrowmasteruse a real irc client
18:48.30Arrowmasterand you would see the 'what`sthatsmell is signed on as account Groktar' when you whois them
18:48.47Repo10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 51ce0be / (10 files in 8 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated)
18:48.49Repo51ce0be: remove StatusBarModule:SetColorFunction, now it's just assumed that :GetColor will be the method to call. Same for :SetValueFunction => :GetValue and IconModule:SetTextureFunction => :GetTexture.
18:48.52Repof38e0a8: bugfix
18:48.54ckknightoh, I didn't bother to whois
18:48.54Repobc419fc: have a set ordering for the layout editor
18:48.57Repoed68d50: small optimization
18:49.01Repo10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina * r104 / (22 files in 4 directories): hi there
18:49.13Sarozgrrrr suddenly my Pitbull wont show up, complains about string variable 'addon' from LibRock
18:49.28Sarozhttp://ace.pastey.net/105063
18:49.32Sarozquick solution plx
18:49.39Repo10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina * r105 / (55 files in 9 directories):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
18:49.43Repo- Tweak to re-get buffs when a buff's time left reaches 0
18:49.45Repo- ButtonFacade settings saved in SBF's saved vars
18:49.48Repo- Tweak timer and bar updates
18:49.50Repo- Add new zhCN and zhTW locale files
18:50.08ckknightwhy can't you index a string?
18:50.23Sarozyour code
18:50.45Repo10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina 043.0.7 * r106 : Tagging as 3.0.7
18:51.16Shirik14(1311:4811:4614) 14(1115Repo14) 10satrina-buff-frame: 03Satrina * r104 / (22 files in 4 directories): hi there
18:51.22ckknightSaroz: I know
18:51.48ckknightSaroz: my guess, it's a Rock library upgrade issue. do you run Rock standalone?
18:51.53Sarozno
18:52.14Sarozshould I?
18:53.43Sarozthat fixed it
18:54.49ckknightokay
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18:58.53chiper.me notices ck's commits.  pitbull4?
18:58.57chiperdoh
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19:00.19ckknightchiper: howdy
19:00.45chiperreading the description now.  will fewer panels still allow for the same configurability?
19:01.39Repo10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 84c0e3c / (7 files in 6 directories): [+1 commit] split up the icon module's :GetTexture and :GetTexCoord functions. Pass in value to StatusBarModule:GetColor, in the case where you want to change color based on value (like health bar).
19:01.47ckknightchiper: yea. You can try it out now
19:01.56ckknightwhat's missing is party/raid frames and texts
19:02.03ckknightas well as assorted modules
19:02.06chiperI will do just that.  are the settings independant from pitbull3?
19:02.13ckknightyea, separate addon
19:02.16chiperk
19:02.24gixthere's grid anyway for party/raid!
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19:02.55ckknighthehe, gix
19:03.17chiperI'll see it in a few minutes I know, but does this version let me  change offsets on individual bars?  that's something I've recently decided I wanted to do :p
19:03.43ckknightchiper: it's still relatively positioned rather than absolute-positioned
19:05.22chiperI finally talked to the guy who made that funky stacked hp/mana bar I showed you last week.  he used another addon to alter the bar placements
19:05.31ckknightah
19:06.33chipersaid he had to abandon it tho, because there was no way to make the mana bar reverse without also reversing the HP bar
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19:07.39ckknight:SetReverse(true)
19:07.52ckknight:-P
19:08.45chiperhmm, no portraits yet eh?
19:09.02ckknightit's missing a lot of modules
19:09.06ckknightone of which is portraits :-P
19:09.13chiperhehe
19:09.21ckknight<PROTECTED>
19:10.17ckknightwhich is something you could help out with ;-)
19:10.17ckknighthehe
19:10.26chiperso the idea is that instead of editing each frame independantly, you make layout sets which can be applied to any frame?
19:10.30ckknightwell, maybe not portrait, cause I need to add extra stuff to it
19:10.33ckknightcorrect, chiper
19:10.42ckknightlayouts are defined rather than ad-hoc
19:10.53ckknightthough each unit classification can modify its layout
19:11.05ckknightsuch as flipping it, scaling (not yet in)
19:11.42chipercool
19:12.07ckknightlike, you'd probably want player and target to be the same layout
19:12.16ckknightexcept target flipped horizontally
19:12.25chiper*nod*
19:12.25ckknightso now it's freakishly easy to do
19:13.17chiperwell, if you can do it, an ability to add offset values to each bar placement would make for a lot of versitility
19:13.31ckknightit's relatively positioned
19:13.38ckknightnot absolute
19:13.45ckknightso that becomes near-impossible
19:13.51chiperhrm
19:13.59ckknightI mean, I could do things like let you specify spacing
19:14.01ckknightor things like that
19:14.12chiperwhat about padding?
19:14.34ckknightyea, that could be done
19:14.38chiperwhen you say relatively positioned, I immediately think of CSS
19:14.47ckknightsorta
19:14.57ckknightbut basically, for PitBull, everything is inside the box
19:15.02ckknightand things are assigned a size
19:15.11ckknightand the sizes are relative to other things around it
19:15.14ckknightrather than any absolute value
19:15.20ckknightso health bar has a height of 2
19:15.27ckknightnot 50px or anything
19:16.52chiperok, but isnt there an underlying manager that's interpreting that 2 into 50x?
19:17.00ckknightyes
19:17.03ckknightof course
19:17.25ckknightsee the update_bar_layout function in UnitFrame.lua
19:17.31chiperis it possible to add an offset value which it just appends to that math?
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19:18.11ckknighttheoretically, but it could fuck things up horribly and it wouldn't be nearly as fluid
19:18.13ckknightwhich is the issue
19:18.17ckknightyou lose fluidity by doing that
19:18.35chiperk
19:18.58chiperwell I suppose some kind of spacing or padding values would accomplish the same thing
19:20.04ckknightnot really
19:20.11ckknightwell, sorta
19:20.15ckknightbut not as horribly
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19:44.18doom0rmm, great changelog note: Added Chinese support (credit: 饺子).
19:44.32doom0rdisplays as 4 chars on curse
19:44.33doom0rgg
19:44.45Arrowmasterwhere
19:44.53doom0rhttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/losecontrol/download/319360.aspx
19:45.04Arrowmaster4 chars?
19:45.05ckknightyea, curse syncs unicode shittily
19:45.16Shirik~dict shittily
19:45.39Arrowmastershould get that fixed
19:45.40doom0rpurl, shittily is horribly done like shit
19:45.41purldoom0r: please, watch your language.
19:45.53doom0r!
19:45.55Shirikha
19:46.02doom0rlol
19:46.04Shirikbesides, ~dict is not factoids
19:46.05Arrowmasterits not that hard to just make everything use utf8
19:46.20Shirik~dict goes to look up the word in an actual dictionary
19:46.39sztanpetwowace times out
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19:47.02sztanpetdoes wowace time out only for me
19:47.08sztanpetthats better
19:47.20Shirikhttp://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com
19:48.58doom0rShirik: no, it's been doing it the past couple days in spurts
19:49.19Shirik(14:46:47) (sztanpet) does wowace time out only for me
19:49.26Shirikeasy answer is that site
19:49.43doom0ryes, just there's a more direct answer available :P
19:49.54what`sthatsmellin doom0r's attic
19:49.58ShirikYour statement does not in any way adress his question
19:50.04doom0rfail groktard
19:50.17ShirikExcept that it gives a reasoning it might be down
19:50.57doom0rsztanpet: no, it's been doing it the past couple days in spurts
19:50.59doom0r*fixed
19:51.42doom0rso... anyone have any experience with action slot saving mods?
19:52.14doom0rcan't remember how far back someone in here was discussing them
19:53.04sztanpetthanks!
19:55.21doom0ralso looking for input on heavy macro count solutions, macaroon + bt4, or does autobar have enough functionality to supplement bt4 for things like left click MH, rightclick OH poisons?
19:55.49ckknighteverybody wait
19:55.52ckknightI'm pondering.
19:55.57ckknightponders
19:56.33ckknightdoom0r: we have a DB issue that neither Kaelten nor I can figure out
19:56.44ckknightthat's why the site keeps seeming like it's going down
19:56.48thuland you do not ask me?!
19:56.59ckknightthul: you good with MySQL?
19:57.14ckknightdoing an INSERT into files_file seems to lock up the whole thing, including unrelated tables
19:57.18thulok, I'm not :/ just basic knowledge :-)
19:57.27thulbut i can ask ergo and perbl :
19:57.28thul:-D
19:58.03ckknightfiles_file is MyISAM, no foreign keys, but it does have two indexes, one for status (an enum) and one for repository_id.
19:58.10ckknightit makes no sense that it would lock things up so badly
19:58.16thulhmm
19:58.25ckknightdoing a "show full processlist", it seems to get stuck on the "update" state
19:58.29ckknightlike, for minutes at a time
19:58.47ckknightit always ends eventually, but sometimes that's a few minutes, sometimes upwards of 20 minutes
19:59.13Repo10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 96337cc Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] change background and highlight modules to make the control they create using the same casing as the module ID.
19:59.21ckknightlet's see if I can catch it.
19:59.50doom0rmy only input is: http://xkcd.com/327/
20:00.33ckknightyea, it's going 20 seconds now
20:00.47ckknightdoom0r: nah, we don't have any issues like that
20:01.09ckknightokay, that one was about 30 seconds of locking everything up
20:01.09ckknightbut still
20:08.30SarozoRA:HasModule("OptionalCooldown") is there a way to check if it's enabled?
20:09.09ckknightShefki: you here?
20:09.56Zhinjiorubs sleep from his eyes.
20:10.01Zhinjiog'mornin'
20:10.08doom0rhola
20:10.30doom0r~seen toadkiller
20:10.33purltoadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-99-188-166-150.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6d 19h 57m ago, saying: 'Also get a tabard and start doing dailies for something else'.
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20:14.11Elkanomorning and merry X-mas Zhinjio :)
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20:16.24ZhinjioFrohe Weinachten, Elkano!
20:17.40ckknightHappy Festivus, everyone
20:17.43Zhinjiound Herzlichen Glueckwuenschen fuer die neues Jahr
20:17.45Zhinjiobah
20:17.48ckknightare we all ready for the Airing of Grievances?
20:17.51ZhinjioI bet I mixed up genders on that
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20:18.15doom0rckknight: tech support?
20:18.28ckknightdoom0r: it's a Festivus tradition
20:18.31ckknightZhinjio: your name makes me think that you're Asian, even though you're not.
20:18.41Zhinjiodecidedly not.
20:18.44ZhinjioI know.
20:18.46doom0ragrees
20:18.56ckknightI actually don't know what you are
20:18.57ZhinjioI got lots of "ni hao" from goldfarmers as well
20:19.01ckknightbut I know you live in America
20:19.01Zhinjioaustrian
20:19.05ckknightor do you?
20:19.08Zhinjioborn in vienna
20:19.12Zhinjiolive in colorado
20:19.15ckknightthat's right
20:19.18Zhinjiolived in the US most of my life
20:19.32ckknightyou looked brown in your daughter's baby pics, though
20:19.37ckknightso I was like *shrug*
20:20.10Torhaltwitches.
20:21.05ckknightyea, okay, I'm done airing my grievances for now
20:22.06thulhugs ckknight
20:22.13ckknighthehe
20:22.26digmouse..... actually, "Chinese = goldfarmer" = fail
20:22.35ckknighthehe
20:22.42Fisker-SQUEAL LIKE A PIG
20:22.44ckknightfail = truth?
20:22.44Fisker-hits digmouse
20:22.56doom0rya, Zhinjio definitely has darkish skin
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20:23.06digmousedies
20:23.22thulwell, I think you have not hugged me even close to enough this year ckknight
20:23.29thuland you Fisker-, WHERE ARE MY BLOWJOBS?!
20:23.35thuland i never got angelina jolie on my doorstep
20:23.36ckknightgives thul a non-homosexual pat on the back
20:23.44thul:-D
20:23.49ckknightlol
20:25.02Repo10cooldown-timers2: 03digmouse * r116 / (7 files in 2 directories): CooldownTimers2:
20:25.04Repo-toc bump to 30000
20:25.06Repo-add some new shared cooldown abilities
20:25.09Repo-little capablity tuning up for 3.0 changes
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20:26.45ZhinjioI do?
20:26.50ZhinjioI think its just lighting
20:26.56digmousewhat should I do if I wanna take over this project?
20:26.59ZhinjioI'm as white as they come
20:27.06digmousecant get its authors now
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20:28.06ZhinjioI don't even tan well
20:28.15Zhinjiowell, not without alot of work
20:28.27TorhalBut do you add secure frame support to addons well?
20:28.31Torhal:D
20:28.41Zhinjiohides.
20:29.09ckknightZhinjio: link me your daughter's blog again
20:29.59Zhinjiobabyblog.trippy.org
20:31.03ckknightyea, this one: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=25&g2_itemId=83
20:31.16ckknightor the one right before it
20:31.25ckknightyea, I can see how you're white now
20:31.28ckknightI guess that makes sense
20:31.47ckknightcracker: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=25&g2_itemId=104
20:31.55durcynhey man, that's racialist.
20:31.56ckknightalright, I'm done
20:31.58Zhinjioheh
20:33.21ckknightlol
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20:33.45ckknightI knew an Asian guy who looked a lot like him in that first shot
20:34.03ckknightthat entrenched even more ideas about his Asian heritage
20:34.27digmouseck: what should I do if I wanna take over an outdated project but unable to contact the original manager?
20:34.45ckknightdigmouse: how hard have you tried to contact them and for how long?
20:35.14digmousesince 2.4, failed lots of times on Yahoo messenger
20:35.42ckknightyou plan to just maintain it or lead development?
20:35.53digmouseand sorren who updated it for sometime quit wow
20:35.59digmousemaybe just maintain
20:36.15ZhinjioI need help from someone who runs a high level warlock and can (or already does) use HitCrit
20:36.26Zhinjiothe guy who reported this bug is a tard, apparently
20:36.27ckknight@project cooldown-timers2
20:36.28Repockknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/cooldown-timers2/. CooldownTimers2. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. Imported from wowace SVN project CooldownTimers2. digmouse (Manager/Maintainer), Sorren (Author), Speeddymon (Author). Updated: 88 days ago
20:36.30digmousea lead development may take me a while to learn some coding ability
20:36.32TorhalZhinjio: My main is a Warlock.
20:36.56Zhinjiocan you please read the comments on this: http://www.wowace.com/projects/broker-hitcrit/tickets/15-warlock-shadowfury/
20:37.01Zhinjiotell me what the hell spell he means
20:37.03digmousethanks ck
20:37.43Zhinjioah, I think it is Shadowflame
20:37.54ZhinjioI don't have that spell on my lower level lock, adn can't test it
20:38.19TorhalZhinjio: I don't have it either, I'm Fire Destruction-specced
20:38.21ckknightdigmouse: don't remove the other authors, out of courtesy
20:38.24Zhinjioits another spell with 2 effects
20:38.28ckknightdigmouse: at least ... for a while
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20:39.01digmouseck: I wont, if speedy or sorren returns I'll surely return back to them
20:39.31ckknightat that point it can be reassessed
20:40.13Zhinjioso its granted by a talent? Hmm. lemme see if I can figure out at what level
20:40.19Zhinjio75
20:40.21Zhinjiolearned
20:40.28Zhinjioare you 75 yet Torhal?
20:41.23ckknightif anyone cares about PitBull4, it will _not_ depend on LibDogTag-3.0. Support for that will be in a module.
20:41.50nevcairielI guess it will have some simpler tags for HP and the like, then?
20:42.19ckknightnevcairiel: well, I'll probably also make a LuaTexts module
20:42.28ckknightwhich will be raw lua that's loadstring'd
20:42.40ckknightnot sure yet
20:42.53ckknightthe point is that you'll be able to run it without DogTag if you want
20:43.31ckknightor theoretically if I release a new version of DogTag that's incompatible, you could run the old version
20:43.32ckknightor whatever
20:43.46nevcairielthats always nice
20:44.15ckknightor you could write your own text provider
20:44.24ckknightit should be easy enough to do that
20:44.42ckknightimplement a method :HandleFontString(font_string, db)
20:44.55ArrowmasterZhinjio: sec i can test it
20:45.24ZhinjioI just need a combatlog with it being used
20:45.31Zhinjiodon't even need to run the addon
20:45.35Zhinjioso I can get spellids and the liek
20:45.37Zhinjiolike
20:45.48nevcairielwhat class do you need?
20:45.51Zhinjiowarlock
20:45.53nevcairieli missed half the convo
20:46.00Zhinjiousing ... uh, shadowflame
20:46.02durcyni might have it in a recent combat log, zhinjio, one sec
20:46.04nevcairieldamn still 72 on that =P
20:46.05Zhinjioit has two spell effects
20:46.13Zhinjioyeah, learned at level 75
20:46.15nevcairieli need to level my lock more
20:46.29durcynyeah, here we go
20:46.33durcyn12/24 00:12:47.581  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0000000000F011B1,"Durcyn",0x511,0xF1300077B30039BA,"Lava Blaze",0xa48,61290,"Shadowflame",0x20,1212,0,32,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
20:46.36durcyn12/24 00:12:48.012  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000F011B1,"Durcyn",0x511,0xF1300077B30039BA,"Lava Blaze",0xa48,61291,"Shadowflame",0x4,DEBUFF
20:46.39durcyn12/24 00:12:49.918  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0000000000F011B1,"Durcyn",0x511,0xF1300077B30039BA,"Lava Blaze",0x10a48,61291,"Shadowflame",0x4,350,0,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
20:46.47ZhinjioI have a guildie looking too, but he's a tard, and it'll take him time just to figure out how to turn logging on
20:46.51durcynthe dd is 61290 and the dot is 61291
20:46.59Zhinjiobingo
20:47.53Zhinjioyup, that 'splains it
20:47.56Zhinjiothanks so much
20:48.05Arrowmasterwhat was the problem?
20:48.20Zhinjiothe aura applied after has the same spell name (but different id)
20:48.28Zhinjioso it thinks its a downrank of the same spell
20:48.30Zhinjio(which it isn't)
20:48.40ckknightyea, I'm gonna make it so that if you have the DogTagTexts module disabled, it won't even try to load the library (if you're running nolib)
20:48.45Zhinjioso that kind of whacks hitcrit's logic
20:48.50ZhinjioI need to throw it in the exceptions list
20:48.56Zhinjiolifebloom is the best example of that
20:49.00Zhinjiobut this one would break it to
20:49.01Zhinjiotoo
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20:53.25Repo10gem-helper: 03Xinhuan * r68 / (2 files in 1 directory):
20:53.28RepoAdd data for WotLK rare quality gems. Fix Enchanted Pearl and Siren's Tear.
20:54.17Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r1835 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update
20:55.11Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r1836 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update
20:57.34TorhalZhinjio: 78 actually
20:59.21TorhalAnd I don't have a point in Shadowfury
20:59.41Zhinjioits shadowflame... and durcyn got it for me.
20:59.42Zhinjiothanks tho
21:00.08TorhalAh, ok. Because the ticket says Shadowflame :)
21:00.12TorhalEricpeeg, fury
21:00.19TorhalEricpeeg, fury
21:00.23TorhalI fail at typing.
21:00.24Zhinjioyeah, he corrected himself in comments
21:00.32ZhinjioI tested shadowfury, and that one worked fine
21:02.13Groktarseriously, fuck fresno state
21:02.35Groktarmy ap calculus in high school was supposed to cover the math requirement
21:02.46Groktarand i took 2 years off, and now it doesn't anymore
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21:03.17Groktaroh, i also took math 76, which is 2nd semester calc
21:03.31Groktaranyway, after talking to them i need to take 75
21:03.34Groktarhere's the best part
21:03.38Groktari try to register for it
21:03.59Groktarand it won't let me because i need to take a precalc evaluation to make sure i'm ready!
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21:04.19Repo10cooldown-timers2: 03digmouse 042.5.1 alpha * r117 : Tagging as 2.5.1 alpha
21:04.37ArrowmasterGroktar: do they let you test out of classes?
21:05.00Groktaryeah
21:05.05Repo10revelation: 03Torhal * r3 / (13 files in 5 directories): Initial commit.
21:05.09Groktari need to register for the class first
21:05.17Groktarand then talk to the professor
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21:11.12Jeebusdamn, taken
21:12.49Repo10revelation: 03Torhal * r4 / (4 files in 2 directories): Added LibStub to Libs, modified embeds.xml and TOC
21:15.18Repo10revelation: 03Torhal 043.0.3-1.0.0-beta * r5 : Tagging as 3.0.3-1.0.0-beta
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21:20.31Shefkickknight: What's up?
21:21.21ckknight(see pm)
21:24.34fewynhttp://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/study_female_mmo_gamers_five_times_more_likely_be_bisexual
21:25.12exor674lsb end
21:25.33GroktarAccording to no less than 2,400 completed web-based surveys, females account for 40 percent of the EQ II gaming community.
21:25.45Groktarweb based
21:25.52Groktargirls don't play mmos
21:25.53Groktarduh
21:26.15sacarasci know one that does! :o
21:27.09Groktarlook very closely at *her* neck
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21:29.07ckknightthe two girls I dated who played WoW were bi
21:29.21Shefki>.>
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21:30.00nevcairielall girls i know that play wow are pure straight
21:30.08TorhalIf I type && or != one more time in Lua, I'mma kill myself.
21:30.11ShefkiSame.
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21:30.36nevcairielTorhal: you know whats even worse, if you start typing "and" "or" in C
21:30.44nevcairieli should macro those to be && ||
21:30.45kenlyricckknight: no longer dating a girl who plays wow?
21:30.53TorhalUgh
21:30.54ckknightI'm not dating anyone currently
21:30.55ShefkiI was doing some work in perl last night and kept trying to use then and end for if blocks.
21:31.03kenlyricawww :(
21:31.31nevcairielhowever, ~= haunts me in C =P
21:31.37nevcairieltoo much lua
21:31.55TorhalYah, no way to macro that one.
21:32.16nevcairielits actually a valid operand in C
21:32.22nevcairieljust not in the places you place it
21:32.25TorhalAye
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21:32.52ShefkiIf I ever find the person who came up with ~= for not I will happily smack them up good.
21:33.15doom0rfewyn: web-based survey offers no control factor
21:34.00TorhalEspecially since != is ingrained in every programmer.
21:34.14nevcairielyeah
21:34.17doom0ri don't even code worth a damn and i use !=
21:34.22nevcairielwonder if some lua tech doc explains the history
21:34.37ckknightShefki: it's cause Lua was invented in Brazil and the Portuguese keyboards have ~ much easier to reach than !
21:34.57nevcairielthats a dumb reason
21:35.00nevcairiel=P
21:35.01ckknightTorhal: erlang's ≠ is /=
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21:35.16ShefkiYeah well ~ means approximately.
21:35.20ShefkiSo it's a horrible design.
21:35.23ckknight≈ means approximately
21:35.29ckknightbut yea.
21:35.43nevcairielyou still write ~5
21:35.48ckknight≈5
21:35.57nevcairieldepends on context =P
21:36.02ckknightshrugs
21:36.15ckknightI don't like how lua's ≠ is ~=
21:36.18ckknightthat's all
21:36.56ckknight~5 is binary negation in C, I thought
21:36.57purl...but 5 is already something else...
21:37.02nevcairielit is
21:37.02Shefkihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde
21:37.03ckknight~5 = 6
21:37.05ckknighterr
21:37.08ckknight~5 = -6
21:37.17sacarasc~5
21:37.17purl5 is a number, silly
21:37.29sacarascmakes sense to me
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21:38.53Shefki1.902 ~= 2 is fairly common usage to mean 1.902 is approximately equal to 2.  I hate myself everytime I use ~= to mean not in lua.
21:39.18nevcairieli got used to it
21:39.59ckknightclearly, we should just use ≠
21:40.25ShefkiTo be perfectly honest I don't really like lua.  It's not so much designed as thrown together and it shows.
21:40.54ckknighthey, I don't like lua either
21:41.00ckknightI constantly bitch about things I miss in other languages
21:41.01ckknight:-P
21:41.10ckknightfuck you, global by default
21:41.30ckknight(and so forth)
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21:42.35ShefkiI don't really mind global by default.  What I despise is the design of tables.  Look it's an array, Look it's a hash, no it's a lua table.  No way to be sure what it is.  And the module named "table" assumes everything is an array.
21:42.37nevcairieli actually like Lua
21:42.51nevcairielthe simplicity of the language is nice
21:43.11nevcairieland the flexible tables are rather nice to use
21:43.16nevcairielimho
21:43.28ckknightI miss a proper OO framework
21:43.33ckknightand/or functional framework
21:43.42ShefkiReally table should be general use table code.  array should be a set of functions that assumes the table is an array.  hash should be a set of functions that work on a hash.
21:43.54ckknightand some things where you try to fake it are just horribly inefficient in lua
21:44.01ShefkiThey did that I'd be a lot less grumpy about the whole table design.
21:44.12ckknightI miss a proper type system
21:44.18ckknightrather than "everything is a table lulz"
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21:44.41ckknightI don't like colon syntax compared to implicit self
21:44.58HjalteCan anyone link me the url to the latest CC alpha build?
21:45.02TorhalZOMG, I brok0rz the wowace!
21:45.14doom0rit seems like somebody wanted to marry scheme and python and went about it hastily
21:45.34ckknightdoom0r: that's not lua. I wish it was closer to that.
21:45.47nevcairielckknight: not every language has to be OO or functional =P
21:45.55nevcairielI am a ANSI-C guy
21:45.57TorhalAt least TYPED.
21:45.58nevcairielwhats OO? =P
21:46.00ckknightI agree, nevcairiel, but I like it that way
21:46.09ckknightat least C has structs!
21:46.32ckknightI would love at least structs in lua
21:46.33nevcairielyou can use hash tables as structs just fine
21:46.36Torhalcontinue
21:46.48Torhalswitch (debatable, though)
21:46.49nevcairielcontinue is evil goto programming!
21:46.50nevcairiel;)
21:46.58ckknightnevcairiel: yea, so is break and return.
21:47.21ShefkiI wish lua had implicit retuurns.
21:47.25Shefkireturns*
21:47.28ckknightsame here, Shefki
21:47.30ckknightI miss those from ruby
21:47.30ShefkiBut that's just me being lazy.
21:47.38nevcairielthats why i teach the C students only to ever use one return per function
21:47.41Elkano<3 break :(
21:47.43nevcairieland carry the return value
21:48.08ckknightif statements are just complex gotos.
21:48.31nevcairielwell but a downward goto
21:48.31TorhalThough, I must admit that Lua is better than line BASIC.
21:48.45TorhalOr MUSHcode.
21:48.57Elkanobut BASIC was fun, too... started with taht on an Atari400 ^^
21:49.00nevcairielcontinue basically jumps upwards
21:49.01TorhalAnd did I mention that wowace.com is broken again?
21:49.02ckknightnevcairiel: continue is a downward goto to the end of the for loop
21:49.07ckknightTorhal: yea, you did
21:49.21TorhalOk, just wondering if you thought I was being silly :)
21:49.41ckknightgoddammit
21:49.48nevcairielEver worked in pure assembler?
21:49.48ckknightINSERT INTO files_filekey (file_id, `key`, top_level) VALUES (319483, 'CooldownTimers2.toc', 1)
21:49.53ckknightthat's what's locking it
21:50.03ckknightit has one index on file_id
21:50.09TorhalDelete CooldownTimers2!
21:50.11Torhal:D
21:50.12ckknightas well as a primary auto-incrementing id
21:50.20ckknightwhy would that fuck it up so bad?
21:50.33nevcairielfile_id the auto increment?
21:50.54nevcairielor a seperate field?
21:51.01ckknightid is the auto increment
21:51.08ckknightfile_id has an index, though
21:51.16ckknight(not a foreign key, though)
21:51.18nevcairielthat shouldnt matter
21:51.20ckknightthis is MYISAM
21:51.22ckknightMyISAM*
21:51.30nevcairielyou dont run 5.1 by any chance? =P
21:51.40ckknightI believe we're 5.0
21:51.42ckknightlemme double-check
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21:51.56nevcairielthe 5.1 GA release has some bugs that can cause lockups
21:52.04ckknightmysql  Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.45, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2
21:52.27ckknighterr
21:52.27ckknightmysqld  Ver 5.0.45-Debian_1ubuntu3.3-log for pc-linux-gnu on i486 (Debian etch distribution)
21:53.00renchapckknight: postgresql > mysql
21:53.03renchapreally :)
21:53.05nevcairielrun a repair on the table?
21:53.14ckknightrenchap: no rebuttal
21:53.36renchaprebuttal ?
21:53.44ckknightrenchap: I much prefer postgresql
21:53.50nevcairielI only ever worked with MySQL and Oracle
21:53.56nevcairieland i can tell you, oracle > mysql =P
21:54.12renchapi use mysql at work
21:54.14ckknightrepaired files_filekey
21:54.17renchap1 master, 6 slaves
21:54.18ckknightand I'm repairing files_file now
21:54.28renchapabout one or 2 tables borken each week
21:54.34ckknightsomeone commit or upload a file.
21:54.46ckknighteh, I will
21:54.47nevcairielDo you have optimize/repair scheduled once per week or even more often?
21:55.23ckknightnope, I set up optimize to run weekly yesterday, though
21:55.26ckknightI'll have it to repair as well
21:55.29ckknightdo*
21:55.36renchapthat is dangerous
21:55.41renchapbecause it locks tables
21:55.49renchapand can left them in broken state
21:55.57ckknightwhat do you suggest?
21:56.05ckknightI'm flying by the seat of my pants here
21:56.19Repo10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r68 TestAlpha.lua: Blah!
21:56.33renchapfind why your tables are broken
21:56.44ckknighthow can I do this?
21:56.52renchaplot of luck :)
21:56.57ckknightle sigh
21:57.09renchaptry to compile your own mysql version
21:57.14renchapwith latest 5.0 stable
21:57.18ckknightwell, TestAlpha uploaded without lagging anything
21:57.23ckknightI think it might be fixed...
21:57.25renchapit fixes some wierd corruptions for me
21:57.29ckknighthrm
21:57.37nevcairielyou can schedule some weekly maintenance and disable the pages for ~10 minutes, completly lock the tables, then optimize/repair
21:57.46renchapyou can also add a weekly check of tables
21:57.56renchaponly check, not repair
21:58.04renchapand email you the borken tables
21:58.32nevcairielMan i know why i mostly dont do webdev anymore
21:58.33Shefki<PROTECTED>
21:58.34Shefki^ lawl
21:58.41nevcairiel~wowspell 53849
21:58.42purlhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53849 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=53849
21:58.48renchapnevcairiel: that is not a webdev problem
21:58.49ckknightrenchap: might be an idea.
21:58.55renchapbut a bad software problem
21:59.03renchapseriously, use postgresql :)
21:59.12nevcairielrenchap: on non-webdev you usally have proper downtimes of the apps where you can do maintenance
21:59.18nevcairiellike, noone works when the company is closed!
21:59.39renchapmy company have offices in europe, us and asia
21:59.40ckknightrenchap: I wish I could make that decision
21:59.55renchappretty hard to plan downtimes
21:59.58nevcairielrenchap: weekends? =P
22:00.22renchapeditors works during the weekend
22:00.26nevcairielmeh besides, i try to avoid any sysadmin work if possible
22:00.27ckknightactually downtime would be during weekdays for us, when people are hobby coding least
22:00.29nevcairieli just write the apps
22:00.37ShefkiI get the impression that mysql is starting to be destroyed by Sun.
22:00.37renchapi am a sysadmin :)
22:00.51durcynmysql sucked before sun ever touched it
22:00.57ckknightpostgres ftw
22:00.57nevcairielShefki: it is. 5.1 was totally rushed out the door with fatal bugs
22:01.06renchaplook at blog posts about mysql 5.1 release
22:01.06pastamancermysiam has always been a joke
22:01.14ShefkiYeah I'm a big postgresql fan.
22:01.21pastamancerfrom what I've heard 5.1 is a disaster
22:01.36JY`oracle !
22:01.39ShefkiThe only problem I've found though is that everyone writes to mysql so using postgresql tends to run you into bugs where sommeone assumed mysql.
22:01.45nevcairielIf you can afford it, get oracle
22:01.46nevcairielif you cant
22:01.49nevcairielget postgres
22:01.51renchapckknight: you should be happy, you dont use master/slave
22:01.58ckknightrenchap: anymore
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22:02.01nevcairielmysql master/slave is just a joke =P
22:02.12renchapit is a pain
22:02.15ShefkiAs someone who wrote code to the raw oracle api.  I'm never using that piece of junk ever again.
22:02.18nevcairielrenchap: do you use the slaves for selects only, or even inserts?
22:02.21ckknightnevcairiel: the reason we use mysql is because of the easy master/slave setup
22:02.24ckknightdespite not using one anymore
22:02.32renchapselects only
22:02.42renchapwe use master/slave, not master/master
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22:03.03JY`get oracle AND an oracle DBA
22:03.08renchapwe plan to use 2 servers with master/master replications, one on each of our datacenters
22:03.16JY`should be packaged with
22:03.18renchapbut it causes many problems
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22:03.35ShefkiJY`: Got money coming out your ears?
22:03.40nevcairielmaster/master can get you in serious trouble
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22:03.50renchapyup
22:03.51JY`Shefki: i had a good Xmas
22:03.51nevcairieldesyncs screw with insert ids
22:03.53nevcairieland whatever
22:04.06renchapwe already have desyncs with master/slaves
22:04.17renchapsometimes a slave forget to insert some rows
22:04.21renchapvery funny
22:04.38renchapnow we have a cron that select count(*) on each table, and checks all is ok
22:04.44nevcairielheh
22:05.12renchapand when there is a problem... shutdown the slave, shutdown another slave, resync data, restart slaves
22:05.25renchapmysql way to replicate :)
22:05.41JY`when oracle is out of sync
22:05.43JY`just rsync
22:07.47Primermysql replication is a joke
22:08.02Groktarfeasts on Primer's blood
22:08.20Primer<-- oracle DBA
22:08.30Primerdisembowels Groktar
22:09.13Groktarrandomly deletes columns in Primer's tables
22:09.33PrimerI actually maintain an oracle standby using rsync
22:09.38renchaprandomly executes TRUNCATE in Groktar brain
22:09.54Primerjust push the logs over and rman> recover database;
22:10.00JY`:)
22:10.15renchappostgresql works a little like that
22:10.21renchapwith wall shipping
22:10.27Primerwal
22:10.32renchapyes
22:10.41Primer<-- Postgressql DBA
22:10.42renchapbut it ensures integrity in the cluster
22:10.48renchapmysql ensure... nothing
22:11.04ckknightPrimer: only one s
22:11.08Primerslony is pretty robust on postgresl now
22:11.20Primeryes, I'm tired
22:11.26renchapckknight: why are you using mysql ?
22:11.41renchapyou are not the sysadmin for your servers ?
22:11.52ckknightKaelten is, technically
22:12.00ckknightI tell him that MySQL sucks
22:12.14ckknightwe're using MySQL because of the easy master/slave stuff, which we no longer use anymore
22:12.19renchaplet him handle these mysql locks, bugs and dataloss
22:12.19ckknightit's a carry-over from the old curse.com
22:12.27renchapafter some months he will switch :)
22:12.29ckknighthe's on vacation for 2 weeks
22:12.36ckknightmaybe I should switch without telling him
22:12.39ckknightthat could be fun.
22:12.43renchapis the code db agnostic ?
22:12.48ckknightrenchap: 99%
22:13.09renchapthats cool
22:13.24renchapat work, the code is made for mysql
22:13.34renchapusing secret features and all that stuff
22:13.38Primerhahah mysql code db agnostic!?!? HAHAHA
22:13.40Primergood one
22:13.57Primereven oracle is more sql compliant
22:14.24ckknightPrimer: we use SQLAlchemy
22:14.31ckknighthardly any code is raw SQL
22:14.35Primergranted, oracle didn't get JOIN syntax til 9
22:15.38ckknightbefore that it was select * from a, b where a.id = b.thing_id?
22:15.41PrimerAnyone know of a free video cap program for windows?
22:15.53Primerdon't forget (+)
22:16.05ckknight?
22:16.12renchapckknight: is sqlalchemy like activerecord ?
22:16.12Primerselect * from a, b where a.id = b.id (+) <-- left join
22:16.39ckknightrenchap: similar, though it's closer to DataMapper in Ruby terms
22:16.52ckknightPrimer: ah.
22:17.16renchapit is on my todo list to check another ruby orm
22:17.30renchapi think i will wait rails 3 now :)
22:17.34ckknightrenchap: well, in Rails 3.0, DataMapper and Sequel will work great!
22:17.34ckknight:-P
22:17.36ckknighthehe
22:17.48ckknightI do prefer DataMapper over ActiveRecord
22:17.50ckknightcleaner
22:18.00renchapi started rails 1 month ago
22:18.02ckknightand a bit more efficient if you ask me
22:18.04ckknightah, okay
22:18.14ckknightI did some rails work before I was hired for curseforge
22:18.16renchapbut i use php for 6 or 7 years
22:18.23ckknightokay, you need a mind wipe
22:18.28renchapi think i will never use php again :)
22:18.29ckknightthen you'll be good
22:18.31ckknighthehe
22:18.42renchapiam trying to find a RoR/sysadmin job
22:18.51nevcairielI never liked Rails
22:18.55nevcairielits too big
22:18.59ckknightI'm a big fan of Merb
22:19.09renchapi have an interview for a sysadmin job in the biggest french rails based website
22:19.11ckknightnevcairiel: Merb is like Rails without all the shit
22:19.30ckknightnevcairiel: and Rails 3 = Merb 2, they're porting over all the good code and agnosticism
22:19.37ckknightso Rails as it stands is pretty bloated
22:19.42ckknightbut it will be far less in Rails 3
22:19.48nevcairielAs mentioned earlier, i'm a C guy, so i like full control .. Rails kinda took that away
22:19.54renchapi also want to see rails with high traffic
22:20.04Primerrails doesn't scale
22:20.11ckknightPrimer: that's a fallacy
22:20.16renchapcurrently at work we display about 10 million pages/day
22:20.17ckknightPrimer: there are ways to make it scale
22:20.18Primerat least, from all the anecdotal evidence I've read
22:20.25ckknightPrimer: it used to be a lot worse
22:20.26renchapwith php/mysql
22:20.29ckknightbut it's getting better and better
22:20.36ckknightI just want Rails 3 and Ruby 1.9
22:20.37Grumdont say the devil word renchap
22:20.38ckknightthat'll be sweet.
22:20.39renchapi want to do this with rails/postgres :)
22:20.44nevcairielrails has some scaling issues though, compared to other solutions
22:20.56ckknightnevcairiel: true, but there are ways around most of them
22:21.12Primerckknight: I imagine the problem is usually going to be the developer
22:21.18nevcairielI want to get into JSP/Servlets some time, never really used it, and its very big in the industry
22:21.22Primermost developers don't understand scaling
22:21.25renchapmany posts abour rails scalability i have read has been written by developers, and i think scalability is a sysadmin work
22:21.31Primerunless you're a developer/admin
22:21.31renchapPrimer: so true :)
22:21.38ckknightPrimer: hehe
22:21.38renchapthat is my profile
22:21.48renchapand i really want to find this kind of job
22:21.54renchapbut pretty hard in france :(
22:22.00ckknightrenchap: move to America!
22:22.00Primerway back in the day I was in charge of a bunch of mod_perl programmers who saw it fit to pull "select * from table" into memory
22:22.02ckknightwoo!
22:22.05Grumyou can so easily lock yourself into 1 cpu or 1 box if you muck up the coding :)
22:22.05pastamancerno you don't... then everything is your problem :p
22:22.08renchapckknight: planned
22:22.11ckknightPrimer: oh dear.
22:22.27GrumPrimer: so you send em on a sql course? :p
22:22.30renchapwhen my girlfriend gratuate
22:22.38PrimerGrum: naw, I just fired them :)
22:22.40ckknightrenchap: how old are you now?
22:22.44renchap22
22:22.47nevcairielI can understand moving out of france
22:22.47ckknightah, cool
22:22.49ckknight(21 here)
22:22.50nevcairielbut to america?
22:22.52nevcairielshrugs
22:22.55ckknightwoo, America!
22:23.00renchapnevcairiel: i dont know where we will move
22:23.06renchapbut we want to move :)
22:23.07ckknightsalutes
22:23.10Primer<-- 40 :/
22:23.19Grumyeah go to america .. so you can be inside the bubble when it explodes (like being on the first cart on a rollercoaster!)
22:23.29nevcairielI have one more semester at university
22:23.32ckknightGrum: hehe.
22:23.33nevcairielthen finally done with that
22:23.42renchapi think i will move where i can find a good rails/ruby related job
22:23.43nevcairieli kinda look forward to doing some real work
22:23.49Grumso how 'good' is slony atm?
22:24.00Grumseeing we have someone working with it :)
22:24.04ckknighthey all, if you notice wowace not responding, please ping me ASAP
22:24.11ckknightlike, 10+ second wait times
22:24.12renchapckknight: use nagios ?
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22:24.21renchapor monit
22:24.24Grumoh sigh; slony doesnt support master-master setups :(
22:24.30ckknightrenchap: Kael said he was gonna set something up and never got around to it
22:24.39ckknightor if he did he hasn't told me
22:24.39renchapGrum: there is other solutions to do this
22:24.43Grumhardly any opensource db supports master/master
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22:24.47pastamancerGrum: nope, there isn't any good multi-master for postgres
22:24.57Grumrenchap: well yeah its painfully slow then :)
22:24.58renchapbut i dont know if it is stable
22:25.02nevcairielGrum: mysql can, but its so-so =P
22:25.11Grumyeah we ended up using mysql
22:25.13renchapGrum: do you know what skype use ?
22:25.21Grumrenchap: nope but you will tell me in a sec
22:25.28renchapi dont know :)
22:25.30ckknighta bunch of Asians in the basement memorizing numbers, renchap
22:25.32Grumoh hehe
22:25.33renchapbut they use postgresql
22:25.45renchapand they release some great pg tools
22:26.11nevcairielhttp://jobs.skype.com/2007/12/database_developer.html <-- Skype job offer for a postgresql dev
22:26.15nevcairielobvious give away
22:26.16nevcairiel;)
22:26.21Grum;)
22:26.21durcynckknight: should look into nagios + webinject
22:26.23renchapi think you can get more infos on master/master on #postgresql
22:26.30renchapckknight: if you like ruby, try god
22:26.36Grumrenchap: ah well we had to build a redudant server
22:26.52ckknightrenchap: Kaelten refuses to use anything ruby-based :P
22:26.53renchapwhat about log shippring and heartbeat ?
22:26.54Grumso we ended up building a 4 box double master/slave set
22:27.11ckknightgod is cool, though
22:27.18*** join/#wowace Evilpig (n=wilpig@blueboy.wilpig.org)
22:27.43Grumusing a HA-cluster with DRDB running on the master/slave
22:27.48EthanCentauraiimagines God on Rails...
22:27.49Grumseems to work really well ...
22:27.53EthanCentauraineeds sleep.
22:27.54Grumbut its erm .. kinda shite documentation wise ;P
22:28.02ckknightEthanCentaurai: hehe
22:28.05renchapckknight: write a simple probe program ?
22:28.05Grumtook nearly a year to set up properly O.o
22:28.12renchaphttp request, if timeout => mail
22:28.17renchapand run in on your computer ?
22:28.20Grumuse nagios?
22:28.23ckknightrenchap: yea, that might work
22:28.28renchapnagios is a pain to setup
22:28.33Grumits not?
22:28.40Grumwell its a pain to set up properly ;)
22:28.43renchapi have done if, but we have about 200 servers
22:28.45Grumbut you will want that in the end anyhow
22:28.48renchapand 2000 services
22:29.03renchapif you just want a mail when wowace is slow, it is a bit overkill
22:29.09Grumyou *want* nagios with proper service/host groups :)
22:29.14manyrails aint too big. it just makes too much work without having ye asked.
22:29.44Grumall those framework/scaffolding tools always suck
22:29.58Grumif you want to do anything out of order you end up hoopjumping for eons :)
22:29.59manyscaffolding explicitely doesnt suck
22:30.09manyautomagic sucks.
22:30.27Grumautomagic is what attracts the masses :)
22:30.41renchapdevelopers are not the masses :)
22:30.41manyyes, because they dont need to think.
22:30.48manythey think they do not need to think.
22:30.51Grumrenchap: 90% of them are actually
22:30.56Grum5% doesnt care
22:31.01Grumand 5% whines ;)
22:31.12Grumyou better be in the last 5% :p
22:31.23renchapyou can combine
22:31.50manyif theyd put 10% less automagic and 20% more scaffolding into rails it would suck less.
22:31.52nevcairielthats mostly why i didnt like rails
22:31.56nevcairieltoo much automagic
22:32.08renchapwhich kind of automagic ?
22:32.11Grumyou never learn how to actually do it :)
22:32.17manythats what a lot of people hate and then switch to merb.
22:32.20many^^
22:32.36Grumi havent ever heard of Merb o.O
22:32.45nevcairielI gave up after a weekend of toying with RoR
22:32.50manymerbivore.org iirc
22:32.51renchapi have a (bad) habit, when i use a feature, i read the doc/code to understand all it does
22:33.07ckknights/bad/good/
22:33.10Grumi dont see how that is bad
22:33.12manyyep, merbivore.org
22:33.24ckknightmany: you do know that Merb 2 = Rails 3, right?
22:33.28renchapi am using rails for a wow related website for a month, and i still have no problems with rails
22:33.36Grumah well
22:33.38manyckknight: no, iam not following rails development closely.
22:33.41renchapGrum: thats bad because it takes a lot of time :)
22:33.45Grumi try to avoid anything webrelated shite
22:33.50ckknightmany: yea, the merb team is merging in all their stuff
22:33.58ckknightmany: and becoming part of the core rails team
22:34.00Grumwebstuff is pure horror in my books
22:34.07ckknightI like webstuff
22:34.09ckknight;-)
22:34.14renchapme too
22:34.18manyckknight: so does that mean that rails gets better or that merb gets sucky?
22:34.26ckknightmany: imo, the former
22:34.29renchapi could work in a bank, but this is boring
22:34.32nevcairielI dont like most of the web dev solutions i tried
22:34.36renchapi like a job which evolves fast
22:34.38nevcairielRoR is too big, PHP is just ugly
22:34.39Grummeh i did webstuff eons ago .... came to hate it badly
22:34.44nevcairielASP is Microsoft
22:34.50renchapJava is... Java
22:34.50ckknightmany: basically means that rails is becoming faster, more agnostic (template-wise and orm-wise), and cleaner design in a lot of ways
22:34.53GrumCatalyst is quite good (perl)
22:35.00nevcairielOnly left is JSP/Servlets which i didnt really try to use yet
22:35.02manyckknight: which is good.
22:35.06ckknightnevcairiel: JRuby ftw?
22:35.07ckknight:-P
22:35.17ckknightJRuby on Rails is a pretty good solution
22:35.18manynow if they kicked the automagic and used manual includes instead
22:35.20ckknightscalable, too
22:35.26renchapthe biggest french bank is using C for their web frontend
22:35.33renchapTHATis ugly
22:35.35nevcairielckknight: I should try web dev in Lua =P
22:35.38Grumframeworks which dont allow scaling suck anyhow
22:35.41ckknightnevcairiel: talk to cladhaire
22:35.46manyactually
22:35.50nevcairieli know, he uses sputnik
22:35.53Grumbut then again; for massive websites even databases will end up being too slow
22:35.57manyi read somewhere theres mod_lua or something ^^
22:35.57ckknighthe did wowprogramming.com in lua
22:36.00Grumhence they created memcache :)
22:36.10ckknightGrum: *thumbs up*
22:36.13manyand i believe someone even tries to write a rails pendant in lua
22:36.16renchapmmmh... memcache can be good
22:36.20Grummemcache is severely ftw
22:36.24renchapbut it is often misused
22:36.25Grumbut only if used properly
22:36.30ckknightrenchap: howso?
22:36.40Grumyou have to have cache-hits
22:36.41renchapat work they use smarty
22:36.55ckknightthe template engine?
22:36.56renchapwe give them a memcache server to speedup some things
22:36.58renchapyes
22:37.03ckknightokay
22:37.04ckknightgo on
22:37.06renchapand now they cache full HTML pages
22:37.11nevcairielsmarty was one thing in PHP i actually liked
22:37.21Grumyeah and smarty itself sucks ;p
22:37.30renchapthat is not efficient
22:37.31doom0ri wish i would have continued learning C when i was a kid
22:37.34renchapvery bad ratio
22:37.43Grumdoom0r: C is too much work
22:37.43renchapand it only speedup popular pages
22:37.44ckknightrenchap: we do full output caching on curseforge (for main page, project index, project details)
22:37.55ckknightwe only cache popular views
22:37.57renchapi prefer object caching
22:37.57doom0respecially when you start learning at 12yrs old
22:38.17nevcairieli started learning pascal when i was 10 or so
22:38.21renchapbut the main problem is that they cache anything
22:38.22ckknightdoom0r: I started C++ at age 10
22:38.26doom0rand you needed 3 books back then
22:38.33renchapwe are crawled a lot by google
22:38.34Grum3? just one
22:38.35doom0ra C book, a bible, and a reference
22:38.43ckknightrenchap: hrm, yea, same with us
22:38.45Grumand i even have that one book :)
22:38.46renchapand when google crawls a page, it is cached
22:38.57renchapand we have lot of pages, that are never viewed
22:38.57GrumKernigan & Ritchies 'ANSI C'
22:39.01nevcairielK&R is all you need to get C =P
22:39.02renchapto memcache is pretty useless
22:39.22doom0rit's in the basement, i should pull it back out
22:39.24renchapi am sure that is i stop the memcache server i will not see a big load increase
22:39.32ckknightrenchap: the way memcache works is that queried caches are thrown away less often, so if something is set but never requested, it's thrown away
22:39.33Grumojh its called 'The C Programming Language' :)
22:39.38renchapcaching is good, if you cache useful things
22:39.50nevcairielGrum: everyone just calls it K&R
22:39.50renchapi know
22:39.54Grumyeah ;)
22:39.54renchapbut we have too much pages
22:40.00ckknighthrm
22:40.19renchapmemcache is only usefull for homepages/recent articles for us
22:40.24renchap-l
22:40.40Grumalso memcache can be quite expensive hardware wise
22:40.44renchapbut they cache everything
22:40.49renchapmmmh
22:40.55renchap8 GB webservers
22:41.01renchap4 for php, 4 for memcache
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22:41.04renchapscale well
22:41.09Grum4gb for php .. hurrrrr
22:41.18renchapalways put memcached on webservers, better for scaling
22:41.27Grumerr?
22:41.32Grumput them on boxes where you have ram spare
22:41.37Grumdoesn't matter which one
22:41.43renchapyup, apache 1.3 with mod_php
22:41.46Grumif you put down a single box with 32b ram .. use it there ;)
22:41.51Stanzillalicks grum
22:41.52Grum*gb
22:41.52renchapso 50 MB by php process :)
22:42.07renchapGrum: but cpu will not be used
22:42.15Grumthen dont put in a cpu? ;p
22:42.19Grumor something cheap :p
22:42.22renchapwith my webservers, cpu is used at 80%
22:42.25renchapand memory at 100%
22:42.36renchapmy biggest problem is power concumption
22:42.39Grumyou need better coders i'd say ;)
22:42.42renchapand space in datacenter
22:43.01renchapyes, i say this since i have this position
22:43.13renchapbut my manager is a developer :)
22:43.34Primerso is mine, and he writes the crappiest code in the office
22:43.35Grumyeah lol our boss's boss was also a devver
22:43.41Grumi blame him for the current state of the code ;)
22:43.47ShefkiCan anyone think of an item that has two recipes to make it in game?
22:43.51renchapthats why i am looking for a new job
22:44.00GrumShefki: large prismatic shards?
22:44.13Grum3 small -> prismatic; 1 void -> 2 prismatic
22:44.20Zhinjiosweet.
22:44.21renchapand i want a sysadmin rails related position, to try to see if rails scales well with good practices
22:44.25ShefkiGrum: Thanks.
22:44.26Zhinjiomy hdmi/dvi cable shipped today
22:44.28Grumor try titanium bar; 2 ore -> bar; and transmute
22:45.27GrumZhinjio: i need a mini-dvi -> hdmi
22:45.33Grumdid you happen to get that? :D
22:46.22ShefkiGrum: Ahh that's a better one, two different professions even.
22:46.36Zhinjiono, I use cablenmor.com for all my cables though, if you wanna check there
22:46.49Zhinjiothey've always done me right.
22:46.54Grummissing an 'e' ?
22:46.58Zhinjiointentional
22:47.01ckknightrenchap: with good practices, monitoring, checking the produced sql, etc. Rails can scale with adequate hardware
22:47.23Grummm doesnt work
22:47.38Zhinjiohttp://www.cablesnmor.com/
22:47.48Grumyou fail ;)
22:47.59Grum<PROTECTED>
22:48.01ZhinjioI just cut/pasted that from my browser,looking at the site.
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22:48.07Zhinjioso, no... I don't.
22:48.20Grumyou missed the 's' before :)
22:48.23Repo10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r69 TestAlpha.lua: Blah!
22:48.34Grumbut google is awesome; 'did you mean' .. YES! =D
22:48.35ckknightGrum: why do you hate?
22:48.42Grumbecause i breathe?
22:48.48renchapckknight: i want to see it, and get these good practices :)
22:48.54ckknightit's annoying but necessary
22:48.59ckknightrenchap: you wanna see our SQL?
22:49.09renchapdepends :)
22:49.10nevcairielI prefer writing SQL querys myself
22:49.11ckknightor what?
22:49.12nevcairielbut thats just me
22:49.12ckknight:-P
22:49.23ckknightnevcairiel: we handle it through a _good_ ORM
22:49.26ckknightproduces good SQL
22:49.34renchapi know how optimise sql queries, cache code, ...
22:49.38GrumF A I L apple. why do you have to put in a mini-dvi .. i hate you! *apply hate*
22:49.40doom0rwhat's the performance comparison for MSBT vs. SCT?
22:49.41PrimerAnyone know of an entirely free fraps-like app for windows?
22:49.45Zhinjioaha, ok.
22:49.58GrumPrimer: 'printscreen'-really-fast.com
22:49.58renchapbut i want to test how to optimize a website when you use a framework
22:50.33renchapoptimising when you dont use a framework is quite easy
22:50.39doom0rPrimer: http://www.osalt.com/fraps
22:50.41nevcairielAnyone know a really good book about JSP by any chance?
22:51.12Grumhttp://www.allekabels.nl/product_images//elelctronica-lrg-1I3e54UZ9FHN.jpg <-- oh that can work :)
22:51.33Grummm then again; i get a mini-dvi->dvi already ...
22:52.09Primerdoom0r: thanks
22:52.52doom0rthat's one of my favorite sites
22:53.30Grumoh sweet site doom0r
22:53.53doom0rvery, the biggest bonus is that it's not just nix, but any OS
22:53.56Grumthey do fail a bit though :(
22:54.10doom0rGrum: user submittable
22:54.17doom0ronly the world+dog fails
22:54.18Grumhttp://www.osalt.com/xchat <-- available for: windows/linux .. o.O
22:54.35Grumnot unix/mac ..
22:54.47doom0rPlease note: That XChat for Windows costs money, even though it is open source
22:55.30Grumfinding a good irc-client for the mac took me half a day :'(
22:55.43Grumand i ended up rewriting parts of the one i found in the end ;(
22:56.14Xinhuandoom0r
22:56.21Xinhuanthe comments for the alternative of fraps says
22:56.31Xinhuan"Dead development. No sound recording." with a rating of 1/5
22:56.39Xinhuan"Would be perfect if it recorded sound as well. It also seems like its development is dead, so this one should be passed up."
22:56.40Xinhuan:p
22:57.05Grumyou can always `buy` fraps ^^
22:57.16Xinhuanisohunt.com
22:57.23Xinhuancan always find anything on it ;p
22:57.41Grumbut then finding it somewhere hehe
22:58.01Xinhuanjust make sure you read the comments before download
22:58.11Wobintheres a free version of xchat
22:58.15WobinI'm using it right now =P
22:58.30Torhal"OMG, I downloaded this and found out that it's really Murloc porn!"
22:59.03Wobin"Oh Mrghglglglglglh me harder!"
22:59.03Grumi prefer mirc over xchat on windows .. on linux i'd take xchat over anything :)
22:59.09TorhalHaha
22:59.14Zhinjioso my mother in law is pretty awesome.
22:59.19Grumnow under mac .. using LimeChat (modified ofc ><)
22:59.27Zhinjioshe knows how to make a gamer happy on christmas: Fallout3 and Spore
22:59.33Wobinhehe
22:59.34TorhalNice
22:59.44nevcairielthrows some limes at Grum
22:59.46Grumyou didnt download that? ;)
22:59.55nevcairielisnt there a X-Chat for mac? =P
23:00.00Grumyeah but it failed
23:00.04Grumand i couldnt fix it :)
23:00.20Grumcouldn't get it compiled myself and it hasnt been devved for 3 years orso?
23:00.29nevcairieli dunno
23:00.58Grumi needed something which would integrate properly in the macos system; i need to know when someone pokes me .. and if the dock-icon cant get a bounce .. it fails
23:01.03selckini want a firefox plugin to link the searchbox with the tab :\
23:01.33Grumthat basicly killed any X programs .. and xchat failed because on quitting it would part all the channels (and thus leaving all the channels on my proxy ><)
23:01.43Grum(that was what tossed me off the channels a bit back btw ^^)
23:02.32Grumthen i tried colloquy ... and  .. can you make something look even more gay?
23:02.58Xinhuanyes
23:03.00pastamanceryeah, trillian or whatever it's called for windows :p
23:03.09Grumand you could ofcourse change the looks; if you learned xslt and js o.O
23:03.18ckknightGrum: I use Linkinus
23:03.29doom0rhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screencasting_software
23:03.33Grumpastamancer: not if you actually join 7 networks and >10 channels :)
23:04.08pastamancerGrum: I mean that trillian is uglier than colloquy
23:04.18Grumnah its not :)
23:04.32pastamancerguess I haven't looked at colloquy lately then
23:04.45WobinI like digsby on windows
23:04.49Grumoh not a bad client ckk :)
23:04.52Grumlet me try it :)
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23:06.06Grummm payware...
23:06.13Grumoh well .. if its good ...
23:06.30ckknightGrum: I bought it, it's been worth it
23:06.36ckknightI bought it at half-price, though
23:06.48Grumi pay euros ... its always half price
23:07.04ckknightGrum: cool feature, you can close the client and leave the service in the background, when you open it up again, it'll give you all the chat you missed ;-)
23:07.24Grumnow that is something i dont need :)
23:07.30Grumwhy close it then? ^^
23:07.56ckknightmemory/cpu usage?
23:08.07ckknightit's like 20 megs for just the service
23:08.11ckknightbut like 50 for the whole thing
23:08.12ckknightor something
23:08.25Repo10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r50 Broker_HitCrit.lua: - added Shadowflame (Warlock) to exclusion list
23:09.02nevcairielmemory usage .. when did i have to worry about that for the last time..
23:09.03Grumgot 4gb memory in my macbookpro .. i dont care! :D
23:09.04durcynpeople pay money for that?  sounds like bnc.
23:11.22Zhinjioanyone with a level 75+ warlock in the mood to test something quick with hitcrit?
23:14.21Grumckknight: does it even understand CAPAB?
23:14.35ckknightGrum: I honestly don't know
23:14.46Grumso you see + and - before messages?
23:14.57ckknightI see @ before my name and nevcairiel, + before pastamancer
23:15.03ckknight:-P
23:15.07ckknightis that what you mean?
23:15.10Grumno i mean when people talk; let me show
23:15.21nevcairielwtf is CAPAB
23:15.25nevcairieli never heard that before
23:15.36Grum00:15:08 <ckknight> +is that what you mean?
23:15.52Grumhumz it also doesnt show when you have a multi-line paste in input .. meh
23:15.55WobinWhat's a good irc client for windows?
23:16.00GrummIRC
23:16.17Primerxchat
23:16.17sacarascxchat
23:16.23Grumsigh
23:16.23ckknightGrum: I don't get what the point of the + is.
23:16.27Grumok this client sucks
23:16.42Primer+ is a freeload thing
23:16.49Grumckknight: CAPAB is what freenode uses to show which person is authed and which one isnt
23:16.53sacarascckknight: it shows that you're identified to services
23:16.54ZhinjioI investigate windows clients every so often, and every time, I still end up usign irssi on my  linue machine
23:16.58Zhinjiolinux
23:17.11Grumit basicly prefixes the whole message oyu send out with either + (authed) or - (not authed)
23:17.20Grumif the client doenst strip it .. it fails
23:17.26nevcairielmIRC hides it, yay
23:17.32Grumnot by default nev
23:17.36nevcairielmine does
23:17.37nevcairielshrug
23:17.41Shefkihearts his screen and irssi
23:17.53Grumhumz some client have 'oh you are on freenode network; hide stuff'
23:18.02Gruminstead of implementing it properly
23:18.20Grum(which makes them break if you connect through a bnc/proxy)
23:18.31Wobinbtb
23:18.32Wobinbrb
23:18.33ShefkiI actually wrote the stuff to do it for irssi.
23:18.35Wobinupdating xchat
23:18.38GrumShefki: i also run irssi and use it as a proxy
23:18.43nevcairielI'm connected through a bnc and mIRC still thinks its pure freenode
23:18.56nevcairielsomehow it pulls that off =P
23:19.00Grumi hate how bncs handle multiple networks
23:19.08nevcairieli just use two bnc accounts
23:19.12Zhinjioi bet arrowmaster knows what bnc stands for. in regards to network connector types, I mean.
23:19.14ckknightGrum: it doesn't show it on mine...
23:19.18ZhinjioI find that few other people do, though
23:19.27ckknightshrugs
23:19.28Zhinjionetworking lore. heh.
23:19.28Grumckknight: clearly a mixed up client
23:19.33PrimerI use irssi's proxy plugin on my colo box
23:19.43Primerand connect to it from as many as 3 concurrent xchats
23:19.50Gruma: /raw CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG
23:19.58Grumshould remedy the problem .. and it doesnt .. cry
23:20.04Primer/quote you mean
23:20.11Grumsame difference
23:20.12Shefkithe whole identify-msg stuff is implemented horribly.
23:20.12nevcairielZhinjio: bayonet nut connector or something? its been too long =P
23:20.18PrimerWorks For Me™
23:20.44Zhinjiogrins. Nope. It has its origins in the military.
23:20.51Zhinjiowhich I suppose is no surprise
23:20.55doom0rhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_connector#History
23:20.56ckknightokay, I need to work on PitBull4 some more, you people are distracting.
23:21.06Zhinjiolooks
23:21.15nevcairielsomething with bayonet due to the locking mechanism
23:21.15Groktar"helps" ckknight
23:21.42Zhinjioclose though. *grin*
23:21.56pomp1wth.. my pvp is disabled and I'm in silvermoon getting attacked by alliance..
23:22.22doom0rwth.... wtb
23:22.30doom0ri sat there for over an hour and couldn't get anyone to flag
23:22.33Zhinjiohmm. looks like I was wrong. nevermind then
23:22.50TorhalZhinjio: Yo.
23:22.53pomp1when I ese them they are hostile
23:23.07ZhinjioTorhal: dude.
23:23.10TorhalAye?
23:23.38nevcairielanyway, sleepy time for me, laters
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23:25.13Grumseems it works without the proxy
23:25.16Grumwhhhhhhhhy! :(
23:26.00sacarascwhat proxy are you using?
23:26.06Grumirssi
23:28.22Grumthis is really strange
23:28.29Grum'it should work tm'
23:29.11Grumthe proxy tells the server it has CAPAB-support; so the client should do the CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG .. and the client should then start stripping shite
23:29.37sacarascooh, i have a script for that
23:29.41sacarascsec
23:30.00Grumscript for what? irssi? i dont care
23:30.08Grumscripts arent handled before dispatching to the proxy
23:30.10Grumso it's no use
23:30.36Grumthis client does have a /capab command though :)
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23:38.58ArrowmasterGrum: are you sure? my client sends any unknown commands to the server so i have a /capab command and im 100% sure its not the client
23:39.16Grumwell atm it doesnt work
23:39.25Grumi also read it doesnt reconnect to a network automaticly ...
23:39.31Grumawesome? ;)
23:40.25Arrowmasterand the freenode capab stuff is disabled unless you explicitly enable it with a command, which is why everybody else doesnt see it
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23:40.52Grumi wonder which of the clients does that by default then
23:41.09Grumstill it should be supported
23:41.17Arrowmasterirssi might
23:41.28Grumnah irssi doesnt get it
23:41.35Grumnot unless you plugin it
23:41.37Arrowmasterwhats the other?
23:41.41Grummirc
23:41.48Grumwhich has the same 'issue'
23:41.49Arrowmastermirc does not
23:41.57Grumxchat ...
23:42.06Arrowmastermight
23:42.09Grumi think that client turned it on automagically for every one else
23:42.14Grumhmmm
23:42.20Grumso in theory i should be able to kill my connection
23:42.28Grumslap my mirc in to place and dont have CAPAB
23:42.29Grumlets try :)
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23:44.49Grumnow lets see :D
23:44.59Grumok .. hehe .. that worked ;)
23:45.07Grumthis client does look jummy btw :)
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23:48.54doom0rno j!
23:48.57doom0ry
23:49.26ckknightlol, I read it as yummy anyway
23:49.30ckknightthen later as jumpy
23:49.38doom0ri'm used to it
23:49.53doom0reven though i only know english
23:50.10doom0rbut i don't like it!
23:50.23Grumwhinies! ;P
23:50.26ckknightlet's switch to esperanto, k?
23:51.29sacarascyes
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23:58.33Grumi have to say; this client does look really nice
23:59.12Grumand i can crash it by deleting a network .. awesome :)

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