| 00:00.13 | Xinhuan | doom0r, i'm clearly just talking about mice control and its sensors, and ignoring any size and ergonomic factors :) |
| 00:00.54 | doom0r | does this guys graphs even account for twitch gaming? |
| 00:01.25 | Codayus | Even if he does, he probably doesn't account for the MX Revolutions scroll wheel being pure awesomeness. |
| 00:01.32 | Xinhuan | no, the graph is just purely based on |
| 00:01.47 | Xinhuan | the mouse sensors on the rotating platform he tested it on |
| 00:02.00 | Xinhuan | which is why i said reading page 1-3 is important |
| 00:02.12 | Xinhuan | so you know what is being benchmarked |
| 00:02.18 | doom0r | soemthing useless |
| 00:02.24 | doom0r | i get that without reading it |
| 00:02.53 | doom0r | what good is failure points when not in the applied environment |
| 00:03.01 | doom0r | s/is/are/ |
| 00:03.57 | Aiiane | the applied environment generally isn't easily measurable. |
| 00:04.09 | Aiiane | and thus hard to generate objective data from. |
| 00:04.16 | Codayus | Heh |
| 00:04.37 | doom0r | precisely, making this nothing more than an exercise with no outcome rather than manufacturing feedback and epeen |
| 00:04.55 | Aiiane | not necessarily. |
| 00:04.59 | Codayus | Reminds me of a joke about a drunk looking for his car keys under a street light because that's wherethe light was - even thought he dropped them in thedark. |
| 00:05.08 | Aiiane | just because it's not the applied environment doesn't mean it doesn't provide useful approximation. |
| 00:05.42 | Codayus | Doesn't mean it does either. :-( |
| 00:05.48 | doom0r | velocity isn't the only factor, acceleration is one too |
| 00:05.50 | Aiiane | it might, it might not, but if the tests follow a logical line of reasoning in how they're designed, they shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand without compelling evidence to the contrary. |
| 00:06.09 | Aiiane | so do a test that involves acceleration |
| 00:06.21 | Aiiane | and if you find a contrary result, then you'll have a reason to dismiss earlier results |
| 00:06.24 | doom0r | i'm not dismissing them, just they're value to the previous discussion |
| 00:06.46 | doom0r | like i said, velocity != acceleration |
| 00:07.17 | ckknight | jerk is more fun |
| 00:07.20 | ckknight | m/s^3 ftw |
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| 00:07.33 | sacarasc | you just like jerking, ckknight |
| 00:08.08 | Xinhuan | tsk tsk |
| 00:08.13 | doom0r | making your way in steady and trying to shove soemthing really fast into something are two different scenarios ;x |
| 00:08.46 | ckknight | â/âx sin(x) |
| 00:08.49 | ckknight | to the max! |
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| 00:09.42 | Aiiane | cos(x) |
| 00:09.46 | Megalon | throws cos(x) at ckknight |
| 00:10.08 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 00:11.48 | Groktar | searches ckknight's code for cos( and replaces it with tan( |
| 00:14.15 | Jaxon | Speaking of ckknight, what kind of state is PitBull4 in? Couple bars but don't use it state or "there but will break" state or "18 errors on login crashing WoW." |
| 00:14.46 | Shefki | Jaxon: Couple of Bars but don't use it. |
| 00:14.48 | ckknight | Groktar: o noes, sec^2 |
| 00:14.51 | ckknight | no Auras yet, Shefki's working on that. |
| 00:15.00 | ckknight | Jaxon: no party or raid frames |
| 00:15.16 | ckknight | text works now, bars work. |
| 00:15.19 | Shefki | What's there probably works fine, but it's likely missing a lot of stuff you'll want. |
| 00:15.22 | ckknight | some modules need to be implemented |
| 00:15.35 | ckknight | it won't crash WoW, though |
| 00:15.40 | Jaxon | AH, interesting, thanks. I look forward to what it turns out to be, considering the config clusterfuck of PitBull3 kept me from using the majority of the features and just turning them off |
| 00:15.49 | ckknight | hehe |
| 00:16.01 | ckknight | okay, one thing that I thought of doing after talking with Shefki |
| 00:16.19 | ckknight | does anyone here have complicated PitBull layouts? If so, I would like to converse about how to make PB4 better for you. |
| 00:16.21 | Shefki | Yeah we were just talking about config. |
| 00:16.21 | Jaxon | The only real thing I'm missing from my unitframes is a five second marker in oUF_P3lim |
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| 00:16.35 | Shefki | 5 second marker? |
| 00:16.47 | ckknight | Shefki: the spark |
| 00:16.55 | ckknight | 5-second rule for mana gain |
| 00:16.59 | Shefki | PitBull3 has it. |
| 00:17.00 | Jaxon | Shefki: Spark from PB3 or whatever other addons call it |
| 00:17.09 | ckknight | yea, I should add that to PB4 |
| 00:17.15 | ckknight | better this time, though |
| 00:17.16 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:17.19 | Jaxon | ckknight: please. |
| 00:17.28 | ckknight | Jaxon: ..no u |
| 00:17.34 | Jaxon | Though I'd be happy if I could find a stand-alone display. |
| 00:17.54 | Jaxon | ckknight: I'd say I would, but then I'd forget about it and do without it and it wouldn't happen, disappointing millions of potential users. |
| 00:18.08 | ckknight | meh, I'll probably do it tonight |
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| 00:18.20 | ckknight | I need to throw party support in, though :-P |
| 00:18.21 | ckknight | le sigh |
| 00:18.23 | Shefki | Jaxon: It'd be pretty easy to add. Spark doesn'tt do much now anyway. |
| 00:18.34 | Shefki | ckknight: Do groups/party stuff first. |
| 00:18.42 | ckknight | but it's hard :-( |
| 00:18.50 | Shefki | ckknight: If I can get Auras done and you can get party/group stuff done it'll be useable mostly. |
| 00:18.53 | Jaxon | Shefki: exactly, it isn't all that difficult, but all the standalone 3.0 implementations are broken. |
| 00:18.57 | ckknight | Shefki: true |
| 00:19.20 | Jaxon | Anyways, I'm just getting in the ay of this conversation, time to go home. |
| 00:20.12 | Shefki | ckknight: Why not put the config in the Blizzard Interface thingy instead of just a button to open the config? |
| 00:20.31 | Shefki | Or is that still on the todo list? |
| 00:20.39 | ckknight | Shefki: because things don't fit properly with AceConfig and all |
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| 00:20.44 | ckknight | I might try to get that working eventually, though |
| 00:20.50 | sztanpet | ououo if your bettering the spark module, please flash the whole manabar when the 5sec is over, so i dont miss it <3 |
| 00:21.01 | ckknight | sztanpet: not a bad idea |
| 00:21.03 | ckknight | sztanpet: file a ticket. |
| 00:21.17 | sztanpet | will a comment do to my earlier ticket? |
| 00:21.21 | sztanpet | or a new one |
| 00:21.25 | ckknight | no |
| 00:21.32 | Shefki | new one under pitbull4. |
| 00:21.34 | ckknight | if you comment on your earlier tickets, I won't implement that |
| 00:21.38 | sztanpet | k |
| 00:21.38 | ckknight | I need separate tickets for each idea |
| 00:21.58 | Shefki | Opening tickets on PB3 at this point is a waste of time. |
| 00:22.02 | ckknight | Shefki: I need to add you as an author |
| 00:22.05 | ckknight | also true |
| 00:22.11 | ckknight | though I may combine the projects later. |
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| 00:22.45 | Shefki | Yeah well nobody is really working on PB3 atm. The stuff that needs working on at this point will be resolved by PB4 anyway. |
| 00:23.03 | ckknight | right |
| 00:23.26 | Shefki | And most of the tickets on PB3 fall into one of 3 categories: a) OMG it screws up when the party changes in combat. b) LibRock sucks. c) Please add this feature. |
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| 00:25.32 | Shefki | ckknight: Needs a border around the unit frames. |
| 00:25.42 | ckknight | ...file a ticket |
| 00:25.43 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:25.51 | ckknight | but I agree |
| 00:26.14 | ckknight | I also think having a generic way to highlight the border would be nice |
| 00:26.14 | sylvanaar | holy shit, i was wondering where the fail spam was coming from its in dbm |
| 00:26.20 | ckknight | rather than hacking something in aura |
| 00:26.21 | Vangual | woot, config tables fully recreated \o/ now to implement the actual functionality :P |
| 00:26.23 | Aiiane | I can open a 4th category Shefki |
| 00:26.43 | Aiiane | goes to create a ticket about "badger badger badger badger" |
| 00:26.55 | ckknight | mushroom mushroom! |
| 00:27.27 | Curses | ckknight: Does Pitbull4 show combo points on malygos? |
| 00:27.38 | ckknight | yes, Curses |
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| 00:27.53 | Shefki | Curses: pb4 wouldn't be useable for you on Malygos yet. Other things that you'd want are missing. |
| 00:28.05 | Curses | rough go :( |
| 00:28.09 | ckknight | also true :-P |
| 00:28.17 | Shefki | PB3 works fine for Malygos for me. |
| 00:28.24 | Curses | hurry up and fix it I have to raid in an hour...that is plenty of time :P |
| 00:28.24 | Silberbuechse | Hi @ all |
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| 00:28.33 | Curses | I can't get combo points to show |
| 00:28.36 | Curses | is my problem |
| 00:28.36 | Shefki | Curses: It's only been fixed for weeks now. |
| 00:28.46 | Curses | I am lazy and never update |
| 00:28.59 | ckknight | then this is your own fault. |
| 00:29.08 | Silberbuechse | Is there a way to get my own debuffs biger on Pitbulls Target Frame? |
| 00:29.10 | Curses | I didn;t know updating now :) |
| 00:29.31 | sztanpet | Silberbuechse just began to write a ticket about that |
| 00:32.12 | Shefki | The Aura stuff is being rewritten from scratch with those sorts of requests in mind. |
| 00:32.25 | Camci | any chance of getting rss feed of http://www.wowace.com/projects/ ? ^^ |
| 00:32.52 | Xinhuan | PB4 will have "sane defaults" right? :p |
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| 00:33.46 | ckknight | Xinhuan: yes |
| 00:34.16 | ckknight | Camci: yes, there is a good chance. |
| 00:34.22 | ckknight | Camci: especially since one already exists. |
| 00:34.24 | thul | titansteel goes for 2789 now |
| 00:34.40 | Xinhuan | 2789? |
| 00:34.47 | thul | g |
| 00:34.49 | viisual | So here is a silly question, on PC how do you create a file without a name? e.g. ".pkgmeta" |
| 00:34.56 | thul | the destroyer |
| 00:34.58 | Camci | ckknight yer but was thinking of some other irc channel .p |
| 00:35.07 | Xinhuan | viisual, go to dos |
| 00:35.14 | Xinhuan | and rename/create it there |
| 00:35.16 | viisual | wtf is dos? |
| 00:35.19 | viisual | kidding =P |
| 00:35.24 | Xinhuan | will dos prompt |
| 00:35.26 | Xinhuan | well* |
| 00:35.27 | thul | I think the titansteel destroyer is a bit fast. |
| 00:35.35 | sztanpet | viisual i create it in linux, then copy it over smb :D |
| 00:35.40 | Xinhuan | you can rename an existing file (ren blah.txt .pkgmeta) |
| 00:35.48 | viisual | can't I jsut use a run command bleh |
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| 00:35.51 | Xinhuan | or you can create it in dos directly (copy con .pkgmeta) |
| 00:36.09 | Xinhuan | and then type in your file in dos, and end it with a ctrl+z<enter> |
| 00:36.27 | Xinhuan | once created, you can edit the file in your windows editors like any other file |
| 00:36.42 | Xinhuan | just takes a bit of special effort to create it |
| 00:36.58 | Arrowmaster | i just create stuff like that using the save as prompt |
| 00:36.59 | ckknight | I think what you can do is go to ubuntu.com, download an ISO, install Ubuntu, then edit your .pkgmeta file |
| 00:37.01 | Repo | 10grid-status-missing-buffs: 03Azethoth * r61 GridStatusMissingBuffs.lua: |
| 00:37.04 | Repo | -- Alpha version compatible with upcoming unitGuid version of grid. Requires that version of Grid to work. |
| 00:37.11 | Arrowmaster | just put ".pkgmeta" for the name to save as (with the quotes) |
| 00:37.34 | Xinhuan | aha that works? |
| 00:37.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:38.12 | viisual | ".pkgmeta" is a winner as far as ease =P |
| 00:38.25 | Xinhuan | right now, i just copy an existing .pkgmeta from another folder ;p |
| 00:38.34 | Xinhuan | since the contents are 90% similar between addons anyway |
| 00:38.48 | ckknight | same here |
| 00:38.49 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:38.52 | thul | so, guys, leather camera messenger bag or not? :-P |
| 00:39.13 | ckknight | your choices are that or nothing? |
| 00:39.26 | NeoTron | thul: go with latex, clearly |
| 00:39.32 | Yssaril | any of you guys have any words of wisdom about scrollframes and my problem as noted here: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15463? |
| 00:39.34 | thul | NeoTron:P |
| 00:39.42 | thul | http://www.delseycamerabags.com/view_product.php?productid=76 <- it looks so good |
| 00:39.47 | thul | so stylish, minimalistic. |
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| 00:50.25 | Shefki | ckknight: I'll open a ticket but your positioning code sucks. Changing scale shouldn't move the frame. |
| 00:50.40 | ckknight | you sure you're up to date? |
| 00:50.48 | ckknight | I thought I fixed that. |
| 00:51.05 | Shefki | "Already up-to-date. |
| 00:51.07 | Shefki | " |
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| 00:52.06 | ckknight | okay, open a ticket with steps to reproduce |
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| 00:53.52 | doom0r | why is arctic the only one that gives a useful measurement to the consumer like sones? |
| 00:55.38 | Shefki | sztanpet: You realize the ordering of your debuffs versus others debuffs is already standard on PB3? |
| 00:56.02 | sztanpet | nop |
| 00:56.09 | sztanpet | i thought i tried everything to make it so |
| 00:56.33 | Shefki | Your debuffs will always appear on one side or the other of like debuffs. |
| 00:56.43 | Shefki | Which side depends upon the layout. |
| 00:56.48 | Xinhuan | Shefki, that's actually default UI behavior now ;p |
| 00:56.50 | Shefki | But it'll always be the same direction. |
| 00:57.12 | Xinhuan | your buffs/debuffs are now always listed first before anyone else |
| 00:58.10 | Xinhuan | so i'll say its standard across all unit frames |
| 00:58.28 | ckknight | now we just need to make player's buffs 2x size |
| 00:58.30 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 00:58.50 | sztanpet | the default ui does that too, not by 2x tho |
| 00:58.51 | Shefki | Configurable sizes. Your Own Vs Everything else. |
| 00:59.05 | ckknight | Shefki: that would be sweet |
| 00:59.29 | Xinhuan | until you start to write 1000 lines of anchoring code ;p |
| 00:59.53 | Xinhuan | and realize you should have said "fuck it" a week ago and only do it after the rest of the addon is done hehe |
| 00:59.54 | Shefki | Ohh I'm fully aware of how annoying it be to layout. |
| 01:00.15 | ckknight | Xinhuan: I'm working on the other parts, Shefki's doing Auras |
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| 01:00.29 | Shefki | But it'll be easier to write the Aura module with this in mind than go back and add it in. |
| 01:00.31 | ckknight | so ha, I am doing the rest of the addon |
| 01:00.32 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 01:00.39 | Xinhuan | whats your estimate on PB4's memory usage? |
| 01:00.45 | ckknight | Xinhuan: 1/3 of PB3's |
| 01:00.48 | sztanpet | im okay with showing only my buffs/debuffs too |
| 01:00.50 | ckknight | currently |
| 01:00.52 | sztanpet | thats cool too |
| 01:00.58 | Xinhuan | is that including dogtag? |
| 01:01.00 | ckknight | granted, I don't care about mem usage at all |
| 01:01.02 | Shefki | Using about 452 KiB here atm. |
| 01:01.16 | ckknight | Xinhuan: I was running that as an addon |
| 01:01.18 | Repo | 10dkfight: 03viisual * r4 .pkgmeta: Adding externals ".pkgmeta" file. |
| 01:01.23 | ckknight | Xinhuan: note that DogTag isn't mandatory in PB4 |
| 01:01.34 | Xinhuan | i know it isn't, hence the question hehe |
| 01:02.00 | Shefki | Well it still is even though it's possible to get around that now it just hasn't been done. |
| 01:02.09 | ckknight | now I just need someone to write a separate text provider :P |
| 01:02.11 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:02.17 | ckknight | but writing a text provider should be freakishly easy |
| 01:02.32 | Xinhuan | it'll be like a super dumbed down version of dogtag. |
| 01:02.33 | Shefki | Yeah I'll probably get around to it. I just want auras and groups first. |
| 01:02.34 | Xinhuan | not even that |
| 01:02.35 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:02.49 | ckknight | you implement two methods and you have a text provider |
| 01:02.57 | ckknight | though you'll probably want options and such as well |
| 01:03.04 | Xinhuan | have you thought about splitting up dogtag into multiple libraries |
| 01:03.11 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it's in two right now |
| 01:03.34 | ckknight | I'm under the belief that splitting it up more would be more confusing and less useful |
| 01:04.15 | Shefki | Yeah I'm really not sure what the advantages of splitting it further would be. |
| 01:04.25 | Shefki | I'm not even really sure why it's split at all. |
| 01:04.28 | Xinhuan | well, there's a lot of fringe tags |
| 01:04.33 | Xinhuan | where 99% of users won't even use |
| 01:05.08 | Groktar | hits Xinhuan over the head with his massive bag of shrooms |
| 01:05.15 | Shefki | I'm under the impression that the tags don't eat any CPU time unless someone uses it. |
| 01:05.18 | Shefki | But I could be wrong. |
| 01:05.44 | Xinhuan | you're probably right |
| 01:05.47 | ckknight | true, they take up memory, though |
| 01:05.53 | ckknight | but I don't give two shits about that |
| 01:05.55 | ckknight | fuck your memory |
| 01:05.58 | ckknight | get another stick |
| 01:06.03 | ckknight | CPU is what matters. |
| 01:06.05 | doom0r | wow, wts overload: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/ |
| 01:06.05 | Bruners | and wont they all listen for all events even if not used? |
| 01:06.10 | ckknight | Bruners: no |
| 01:06.11 | doom0r | web design fail! |
| 01:06.21 | Xinhuan | that's the hteory at least |
| 01:06.29 | ckknight | Bruners: that's not how I designed it. it will only listen to the events applicable to the font string registered |
| 01:06.37 | Xinhuan | but there hasn't really been any satisfatory reason why dogtags is eating up more cpu tan everything else sometimes |
| 01:07.08 | ckknight | Xinhuan: because of wacky frames, mostly (frames that don't receive events and thus have to be updated on a timer) |
| 01:07.08 | Shefki | Xinhuan: I'm pretty sure I know why that is. Which is part of the reason I want to get it out of Pitbull as a requirement. |
| 01:07.14 | ckknight | also, CowTip needs some fixing |
| 01:07.35 | ckknight | don't worry, after PitBull4 might be a CowTip rewrite ;-) |
| 01:07.37 | ckknight | eh, we'll see |
| 01:07.51 | Shefki | Well I don't think there is such a thing as a "wacky" frame now. |
| 01:07.59 | ckknight | yes there is, Shefki |
| 01:08.01 | Shefki | The big one was focus which seems to get proper events now. |
| 01:08.06 | ckknight | targettarget still receives no events. |
| 01:08.19 | ckknight | and party targets |
| 01:08.22 | ckknight | and raid pets |
| 01:08.33 | ckknight | and a whole bunch of targets |
| 01:08.55 | Shefki | We need LibWackyEvents |
| 01:09.13 | Xinhuan | and that's why i mentioned splitting up |
| 01:09.14 | ckknight | eh, I'm not so sure about that |
| 01:09.18 | Xinhuan | dogtags |
| 01:09.18 | Shefki | That's very light and watches for changes and emulates events. |
| 01:09.30 | ckknight | Xinhuan: I don't see the connection |
| 01:09.51 | Xinhuan | ok probably not |
| 01:09.58 | ckknight | Shefki: I'm not sure if that's the best idea, but I'm not going to knock it off-hand |
| 01:10.06 | ckknight | I don't know whether that'd be better or worse |
| 01:10.25 | ckknight | but it might very well be better |
| 01:10.31 | Shefki | ckknight: Surely it's better to do stuff in memory than start forcing frame updates for non-changes. |
| 01:10.42 | ckknight | quite possible |
| 01:11.23 | Arrowmaster | isnt it better to do some things onupdate now anyway? like unithealth and unitmana? |
| 01:11.39 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Only for certain units. |
| 01:11.42 | Xinhuan | depends on how it interacts with some libraries |
| 01:11.43 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: only for your important frames is that useful |
| 01:11.45 | Xinhuan | like libquickhealth |
| 01:11.49 | ckknight | e.g. player, target, etc. |
| 01:12.03 | ckknight | Xinhuan: I thought that became pointless with WoW 3.0 |
| 01:12.14 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure |
| 01:12.16 | ckknight | or maybe I'm thinking of something else |
| 01:12.17 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 01:12.17 | Xinhuan | there wasn't any conclusive tests |
| 01:12.21 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 01:12.27 | Xinhuan | as to whether it is still useful or not |
| 01:12.38 | Shefki | ckknight: I think it's still useful. |
| 01:12.58 | Shefki | From what I can tell UnitHealth() and UnitMana() are local and only apply to your own character. |
| 01:12.59 | ckknight | PB4 updates health and power for "player", "target", "targettarget", "pet", "focus" every frame |
| 01:13.07 | ckknight | Shefki: hrm... you sure? |
| 01:13.11 | ckknight | if so, I need to change my logic |
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| 01:13.37 | ckknight | to GUID-based rather than unit-based in any event |
| 01:13.38 | Xinhuan | well i'm not entirely sure myself |
| 01:13.49 | Xinhuan | because like i said, i haven't seen any conclusive tests |
| 01:14.12 | ckknight | my tummy hurts :-( |
| 01:14.15 | Shefki | ckknight: Pretty sure from my experiments how UnitHealth and UnitMana work now is they take and take the value from the appropriate UNIT_ functions and locally figure inbetween based on regen rate. |
| 01:14.18 | ckknight | goddamn chocolate |
| 01:14.33 | Shefki | UNIT_ events I mean. |
| 01:14.43 | Xinhuan | isn't that estimate only for yourself? |
| 01:14.51 | Shefki | Correct. |
| 01:14.53 | Xinhuan | that is UnitMana() on someone else doesn't do that |
| 01:14.57 | ckknight | Shefki: hrm, I'm pretty sure that UNIT_ events are just 0.3-second throttled events of the real health/power |
| 01:14.59 | Shefki | Correct. |
| 01:15.12 | Shefki | ckknight: They are but they're server generated. |
| 01:15.12 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 01:15.20 | ckknight | we should check for pet, at least |
| 01:15.22 | Xinhuan | yah, hence we're asking if |
| 01:15.37 | Xinhuan | the wow client has been updated to use the combat log to change the return value of Unithealth() |
| 01:15.43 | Xinhuan | until a actual event from the server |
| 01:15.56 | Xinhuan | (which is what libquickhealth does) |
| 01:15.57 | Xinhuan | nobody has any conclusive tests |
| 01:15.59 | Shefki | I kinda doubt it. But it's possible. |
| 01:16.37 | Shefki | I don't think the new quicker bar updates include that but are really just regen based. But I haven't conclusively tested in combat environments to be sure. |
| 01:17.06 | Shefki | I've never really been sure that libquickhealth made much sense. |
| 01:17.18 | Shefki | Combat Log events are not guaranteed to be delivered in order. |
| 01:17.18 | Xinhuan | it does, for a healer point of view |
| 01:17.33 | Xinhuan | ya it doesn't, but for the most part, say 99% of the time, they are |
| 01:17.42 | Xinhuan | so its still useful |
| 01:17.46 | Xinhuan | for a healer |
| 01:17.52 | Camci | i thought all addons updated in http://www.wowace.com/projects/ also got automaticly updated at curse, or was i wrong? |
| 01:17.56 | Xinhuan | to respond to a quick burst of damage 0.2 seconds faster |
| 01:17.59 | Shefki | And the order matters. If a combat event is delayed until after the UNIT_HEALTH then you're double dipping the health. |
| 01:18.01 | Xinhuan | due to a server side throtle of 0.3 |
| 01:18.08 | ckknight | Camci: curse doesn't get alphas |
| 01:18.22 | Xinhuan | the library handles double dipping |
| 01:18.24 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 01:18.26 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Ohh I understand the point. I've just never been sure if it was accurate. |
| 01:18.35 | Camci | I see, thanks ckknight |
| 01:18.35 | Xinhuan | by calculating what the estimated health should be |
| 01:18.42 | Arrowmaster | Camci: and http://www.wowace.com/projects/ isnt a listing of file updates |
| 01:18.45 | Xinhuan | and if it dosen't match, or make sense, it ignores it |
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| 01:19.03 | Xinhuan | i'm not 100% certain though |
| 01:19.09 | Xinhuan | cnc wrote it i think |
| 01:19.14 | Xinhuan | have to ask him |
| 01:19.21 | Camci | wowace.com seems slow tonight :( |
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| 01:20.23 | Xinhuan | who thinks patch is tonight? |
| 01:20.44 | Shefki | I haven't been on the PTR so no idea. |
| 01:20.57 | Shefki | Can't really since my PTR account still has my old authenticator attached. |
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| 01:21.01 | Shefki | And I don't have it anymore. |
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| 01:23.46 | Xinhuan | random trade channel nonsense: |
| 01:23.48 | Xinhuan | [09:14:45] [2. Trade] [Nnexee]: if ur uncle jack helped u off an elephant would you help ur uncle jack off an elphant? |
| 01:24.13 | Shefki | ckknight: Pretty sure that only player and pet get the local estimates done for mana from my testing. So there's really no point in doing per frame updates for any frame that: not UnitIsUnit("player",unit) and not UnitIsUnit("pet",unit) |
| 01:24.38 | ckknight | Shefki: if that's the case, then I'm doing it by GUID rather than unit ID |
| 01:25.02 | ckknight | I'm going to check party member in LOS as target when I get home, though |
| 01:26.05 | ckknight | I should go home |
| 01:26.11 | ckknight | I made good progress on the localization app's UI |
| 01:26.15 | Shefki | ckknight: don't think I specifically checked party members. So it's possible that it works for them but I kinda doubt it since it'd be a pain to do since they'd have to ship around regen rates for everyone (that change all the time) for the entire group. |
| 01:26.25 | Xinhuan | it doesn't |
| 01:26.57 | ckknight | I'm going to check to be absolutely sure. |
| 01:27.46 | Xinhuan | ~wowalert |
| 01:27.47 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 01:28.00 | Shefki | No patch. |
| 01:28.06 | Xinhuan | We will be performing a series of rolling restarts on all realms for our scheduled weekly maintenance on Tuesday, December 30th. |
| 01:28.08 | Xinhuan | sweet |
| 01:28.13 | Xinhuan | that's no patch then |
| 01:28.21 | Shefki | Yay no 6 second cooldown yet. |
| 01:28.35 | sztanpet | cant use my feral staff yet :( |
| 01:28.56 | Xinhuan | lol droods |
| 01:29.20 | ckknight | Xinhuan: but I want patch |
| 01:29.28 | Xinhuan | why |
| 01:29.30 | Shefki | ckknight: For what? |
| 01:29.36 | Xinhuan | what does patch offer you |
| 01:29.37 | ckknight | right-click set focus |
| 01:29.44 | Shefki | Does it actualy fix that? |
| 01:29.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:30.01 | ckknight | from what I've read in the code |
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| 01:30.17 | Xinhuan | a fix, after 2 years? :) |
| 01:30.19 | Shefki | How did they fix it to avoid people abusing it? |
| 01:30.35 | ckknight | they use a proxy mechanism |
| 01:30.38 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Umm no. Focus menu wasn't in until recently. |
| 01:30.38 | ckknight | I think |
| 01:30.57 | Xinhuan | no Shefki, it was an issue long since years ago |
| 01:31.07 | Xinhuan | it just didn't surface until recently |
| 01:31.37 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Because there were no protected functions in the right click menu. LIke the Set Focus feature they added with 3.0 |
| 01:31.51 | Xinhuan | doesn't mean it wasn't an issue ;p |
| 01:31.53 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: dismiss pet was protected |
| 01:31.58 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 01:32.07 | Arrowmaster | the fix then was to make it not protected |
| 01:32.13 | Xinhuan | they "fixed" that by making it unprotected |
| 01:32.40 | ckknight | Set Focus is still protected |
| 01:32.50 | ckknight | they're just allowing a restricted execution system for dropdowns |
| 01:32.51 | ckknight | I believe |
| 01:32.53 | ckknight | or something. |
| 01:32.57 | ckknight | I'll have to check the code |
| 01:33.13 | Xinhuan | does the new code allow for addon authors to use dropdowns for secure stuff? |
| 01:33.28 | ckknight | by you reading the patch diffs |
| 01:33.42 | ckknight | I'm going home and I'm going to hack on PitBull4 |
| 01:33.47 | Xinhuan | hey i'm trying to save myself some work by having you read it, since you're already going to read it hehe |
| 01:33.49 | Xinhuan | :) |
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| 01:34.07 | ckknight | I'll tell you _after_ I implement it, Xinhuan |
| 01:34.13 | ckknight | which will be _after_ 3.0.8 releases |
| 01:34.25 | ckknight | probably |
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| 01:49.07 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r115 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:49.10 | Repo | - small tidy-up; juggle code about to eliminate need for some object vars |
| 01:49.12 | Repo | - remove OnDisable until proper option and code is in place |
| 01:49.14 | Repo | - update French localisation |
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| 01:57.28 | Xinhuan | !api IsTradeSkillLinked |
| 01:57.29 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsTradeSkillLinked' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsTradeSkillLinked |
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| 02:07.01 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 2782713 / (3 files in 3 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 02:07.05 | Repo | 2782713: Make health and power bars update every tick for every frame with the player or pet guids rather than set unit ids. |
| 02:07.06 | Repo | f2e7302: Add PitBull4:IterateFramesForGUIDs(...) |
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| 02:08.55 | VeXeD5231 | Can anyone tell me what bag addon this guy is using? http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4097/climateui131208wl6.jpg |
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| 02:09.56 | Codayus | I know the addon, the name is escaping me. Onesec. |
| 02:10.19 | Codayus | Combuctor I think. |
| 02:10.31 | Codayus | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/combuctor.aspx |
| 02:11.16 | VeXeD5231 | Yeah looks like a really nice bag addon, never seen it before. |
| 02:11.36 | VeXeD5231 | Thank you :] |
| 02:12.03 | Antiarc | Why the crap does that rogue have almost 400 hit |
| 02:12.29 | VeXeD5231 | Cause he's pro. |
| 02:12.50 | Groktar | gems Antiarc's gear with hit |
| 02:12.54 | Antiarc | noes :( |
| 02:12.58 | Antiarc | I'm already over the poison cap |
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| 02:15.36 | ckknight | blah |
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| 02:17.25 | Bruners | Antiarc: what is the poison cap ? |
| 02:17.33 | Antiarc | 9% spell hit with precision |
| 02:18.59 | Megalon | 263+26 hit rating |
| 02:19.52 | Antiarc | Where do you get the +26? |
| 02:20.01 | Repo | 10libdogtag-unit-3-0: 03ckknight * r172 LibDogTag-Unit-3.0.lua: performance tweak |
| 02:20.33 | Antiarc | But I get 237 hit rating to hit cap |
| 02:20.56 | Antiarc | lua > math.ceil(9 * 26.23) |
| 02:21.01 | Antiarc | lua> math.ceil(9 * 26.23) |
| 02:21.02 | lua_bot | Antiarc: 237 |
| 02:21.34 | Megalon | argh |
| 02:21.36 | Megalon | -26 :s |
| 02:21.38 | Codayus | 237 = poison cap if you assume imp ff or misery, AFAIK... |
| 02:21.41 | Megalon | 263 is moonkin cap |
| 02:21.42 | Megalon | 10% |
| 02:21.52 | Megalon | but 9 is 1 less then 10 |
| 02:21.52 | ckknight | Shefki: you should get an avatar on wowace |
| 02:21.55 | Antiarc | Well right, but in a 25-man you can pretty much assume imp FF or misery |
| 02:21.56 | Megalon | i fail |
| 02:22.03 | Codayus | Oh, heh. |
| 02:22.26 | Codayus | Antiarc: True, but it's important to state your assumptions, and I was trying to figure out Megalon's numbers. :-) |
| 02:23.01 | Antiarc | 9% with moonkin/shadow priest, 12% without, 17% without precision |
| 02:24.04 | Megalon | and 8% for alliance |
| 02:24.14 | Antiarc | well, if you have a draenei |
| 02:24.14 | Megalon | lf 1 horde draenei :< |
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| 02:26.38 | Repo | 10talented: 03yleaf * r357 Locales/zhCN.lua: zhcn update |
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| 02:27.56 | ant1pathy | does oUF not have modules for combat/rest indicators? |
| 02:29.02 | Industrial | make them! |
| 02:29.13 | Industrial | wouldnt be that hard |
| 02:29.17 | Industrial | nn |
| 02:29.45 | ant1pathy | wanted to know if they were there before i tried to make them ;) |
| 02:30.45 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: performance tweaksomg? :> |
| 02:31.02 | ckknight | not a large one |
| 02:31.12 | ckknight | don't worry |
| 02:32.24 | ant1pathy | OH OH |
| 02:32.33 | ant1pathy | how do i make the cc test build work D: |
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| 02:32.42 | ant1pathy | the one linked in the topic isn't new |
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| 02:42.08 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 9784a28 / (3 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Allow "custom" modules to show layout options properly. If they return true as their first return, then they will be placed in the top-level menu of the layout editor instead of under Other. Add options for Background and Highlight. |
| 02:42.17 | ckknight | Shefki: ^-- options for Aura now possible |
| 02:44.43 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 994f254 Options/LayoutEditor.lua: [+1 commit] if a module is disabled, don't show its options in the layout editor. |
| 02:45.29 | Shefki | ckknight: ty |
| 02:45.48 | ckknight | the Enabled option comes for free. |
| 02:45.53 | ckknight | Enable* |
| 02:46.05 | ckknight | everything else you're on your own |
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| 02:48.33 | doom0r | so my box seems to be hyperactively switching multipliers |
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| 02:48.42 | doom0r | i'm guessing speedstep |
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| 03:02.21 | Ackis | @project big-wigs |
| 03:02.22 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/projects/big-wigs/. BigWigs Bossmods. Game: WoW. funkydude (Manager/Author), Ammo (Author), Rabbit (Author). Updated: 4 hours ago. Tickets: 7/12 |
| 03:02.57 | Funkeh` | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bUjBGRioU&feature=channel fucking LOL |
| 03:03.19 | Funkeh` | (lots of swearing) |
| 03:05.43 | Funkeh` | haven't laughed so hard at a youtube video for a long time |
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| 03:13.52 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 04439e8 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] along with unit scale override, there is now a width and height multiplier. |
| 03:16.26 | ant1pathy | is pitbull still rock based? |
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| 03:17.48 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil 04Release v1.0 * r17 : Tagging as Release v1.0 |
| 03:17.56 | Funkeh` | no |
| 03:18.10 | ckknight | ant1pathy: PitBull3 is, PitBull4 is not, but it's not done yet |
| 03:18.22 | ant1pathy | is PB4 ace3? |
| 03:18.53 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * ace7b94 Options/Units.lua: [+1 commit] separate the Layout and Enable options (for units) |
| 03:18.56 | Funkeh` | I love having a big sack of RAM |
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| 03:18.57 | ckknight | yes, ant1pathy |
| 03:19.09 | Funkeh` | acheing everything in uTorrent for upload with no reads ftw |
| 03:19.13 | Funkeh` | cache* |
| 03:19.33 | ant1pathy | how close to functional is PB4 |
| 03:19.50 | Shefki | Not ready for real use. |
| 03:19.53 | ant1pathy | i'm liking oUF, but it's a pain because i don't get all of the lua |
| 03:21.15 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * e93060b Modules/DogTagTexts/DogTagTexts.lua: [+1 commit] make DogTagTexts' default n is 8 instead of 7, since I added the experience text. |
| 03:21.29 | ckknight | ant1pathy: functional like erlang? |
| 03:21.30 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 03:21.51 | ckknight | oh MapReduce, why must you taunt me? |
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| 03:22.07 | Shefki | ckknight: Make DogTagTexts let you define your own custom texts and give them a name so you don't have to enter them more than once. |
| 03:22.25 | ckknight | Shefki: hmm |
| 03:22.38 | ckknight | file a ticket? |
| 03:22.42 | ckknight | I'm not gonna do that right now |
| 03:22.45 | ckknight | it'll actually be hard |
| 03:22.55 | Shefki | ok |
| 03:22.58 | ckknight | reads about restricted execution |
| 03:23.34 | ant1pathy | shefki, any plans for tbag anytime soon? |
| 03:24.09 | Shefki | There's some unreleased stuff in trunk. And I've been working on the config rework. |
| 03:25.12 | ant1pathy | i noticed that some items are sorted oddly |
| 03:25.31 | Shefki | Such as? |
| 03:25.36 | Shefki | Let me guess Enchanting mats? |
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| 03:26.06 | ant1pathy | YAR |
| 03:26.08 | Shefki | If so that's fixed in the unreleased stuff. |
| 03:26.34 | Shefki | Enchanting was never properly handled. I did a ton of work this past weekend getting it done right. |
| 03:26.37 | ant1pathy | no beta tag for the CC? |
| 03:26.41 | ant1pathy | ah gotcha |
| 03:26.43 | ant1pathy | that recent |
| 03:27.22 | ant1pathy | and the bank has issues with poisons |
| 03:27.49 | Shefki | I'm hesitant to beta tag this stuff becuase it includes a SV format change. |
| 03:28.13 | Shefki | I haven't had time to bug friends into updating and seeing if it upgrades cleanly like it's supposed to. |
| 03:28.31 | ant1pathy | i can guinea pig for you if you want |
| 03:29.00 | Shefki | ant1pathy: You do a /tbnk resetsorts and a /tinv resetsorts lately? |
| 03:29.15 | Shefki | I fixed some poison stuff a while back. |
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| 03:30.58 | Shefki | ant1pathy: Problem with enchanting mats was the reagent table was only capturing spells that resulted in making an item. |
| 03:30.59 | ant1pathy | newp, but i will now |
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| 03:31.19 | Shefki | Fair warning that wipes any custom rules you've written as well as custom single item recats. |
| 03:31.47 | Shefki | Once I change the new config design rule changes will upgrade gracefully. |
| 03:31.50 | ant1pathy | i didn't have any |
| 03:32.06 | ant1pathy | your defaults are plenty good enough for what i need |
| 03:32.34 | Shefki | I do appreciate reports on things mis-sorting. |
| 03:33.01 | Shefki | There are unit-tests but there's just some stuff I've never seen. |
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| 03:33.40 | Shefki | And most of the trade goods aren't sorted by rules but the reagent table and I've never done much work on making tests for all that stuff. |
| 03:33.57 | ant1pathy | everything seems to look right now |
| 03:34.11 | Shefki | You get trunk? |
| 03:34.50 | ant1pathy | haven't updated, just did the reset |
| 03:34.56 | Shefki | Ahh. |
| 03:34.59 | ant1pathy | i'm sure you've gotten the enchanting mats sorted |
| 03:35.42 | Shefki | Only ended up rewriting the wowhead scraper twice this weekend to get that worked out. |
| 03:35.51 | ant1pathy | that sounds like... fun |
| 03:36.00 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r88 Core.lua: Fixed some bugs. |
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| 03:36.49 | Shefki | Still trying to figure out what I should do with this TRADE1 and TRADE2 crap. |
| 03:37.34 | Repo | 10guildwork: 03Tlor101 * r7 / (4 files in 1 directory): 1) Adding update time to saved data |
| 03:37.37 | Repo | 2) Improving communication |
| 03:37.39 | Repo | 3) playing with date / time conversions. |
| 03:37.42 | Shefki | I don't know if it's a carryover from Eng or it's something Talos added but either way it's pretty darn broken. |
| 03:38.11 | Shefki | I'd remove it but then I suspect people would be unhappy. |
| 03:39.09 | ant1pathy | eh. if people want their trade stuff separated, they can do it themselves |
| 03:39.57 | Shefki | Yeah well you can't really have per character layouts right now. |
| 03:40.19 | ant1pathy | i would never have different bag layouts on different characters |
| 03:40.24 | ant1pathy | messes me up as bad as unitframes |
| 03:42.34 | Shefki | Guess I'll try and get my testing done and push a new TBag out the door tomorrow. |
| 03:43.01 | ant1pathy | push a beta for a week and see if there's anything broken! |
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| 03:45.25 | Shefki | Honestly, past experience hasn't really resulted in betas being a valueable way of finding brokenness. Most of the time the few people that get betas just don't find the breakages since they're usually pretty edgecasey. |
| 03:45.59 | ant1pathy | beta4lyfe |
| 03:46.39 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r89 modules (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 03:46.39 | Repo | Fixed some bugs with the Enchant procs and added more Hunter, Priest and Trinket procs. |
| 03:47.58 | Shefki | Really wish I could find some more translators. Particularly Spanish and French. |
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| 03:49.28 | sztanpet | i dream of a mod that has tbags fastness and autosort and arkinventorys featurerichness |
| 03:49.44 | Zenom | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.51 | Shefki | sztanpet: What do you want featurewise that I don't have? |
| 03:50.59 | sztanpet | havent lookd at tbag for a year now, so i dont particularly know, but how about keeping track of how many items you have on your account, and being able to see wich char has what and such things |
| 03:51.30 | Shefki | sztanpet: Ahh yeah the tooltip count stuff is on the todo. But you can already search for stuff and it'll tell you where it is. |
| 03:51.52 | sztanpet | yes but like what my other char is wearing right now |
| 03:52.11 | sztanpet | also interop with closetgnome and likes |
| 03:52.12 | Shefki | TBag has the info I've just never made a UI for it. |
| 03:52.45 | ant1pathy | remote gbank! |
| 03:52.56 | ant1pathy | viewing with a timestamp for last updated |
| 03:53.01 | sztanpet | remote mail even |
| 03:53.09 | Shefki | TBag also has that info. :) |
| 03:53.17 | Shefki | Not the gbank but the mail. |
| 03:54.01 | Shefki | There's a lot of stuff I'd like to do but it's just a matter of finding the time. |
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| 03:54.56 | sztanpet | god, searching sucks on cf and wowace |
| 03:55.34 | Shefki | sztanpet: To be honest I find it interesting that you call TBag fast, because while I've done a ton of work on it. TBag just doesn't have that reputation. |
| 03:56.17 | sztanpet | well the last time i used it (granted that was a while back) but the bag opened instantly, with arkinventory there are visible freezes |
| 03:56.19 | Shefki | But I have benchmarked the two and I know that for some things TBag is faster. |
| 03:57.12 | Shefki | Ark overly complicates some things. He buckets some events to try and optimize for gear swap addons. |
| 03:57.27 | Ackis | why is closetgnome sucking for me? |
| 03:57.47 | sztanpet | yea but that works tho, swaping gears used to suck with ark |
| 03:58.00 | sztanpet | majorly |
| 03:58.02 | Shefki | Used to suck with TBag too, but I fixed it without bucketing. |
| 03:58.15 | Camci | yay for bagnon ^^ |
| 03:58.25 | sztanpet | bagnon is non-comparable |
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| 03:59.04 | Codayus | True |
| 04:03.30 | Shefki | non-comparable as in it's just an entirely different design? |
| 04:04.48 | sztanpet | sure, bagnon is like all-in-one without any logic behind it, tbag has ai (almost) and you have to work with ark to get it be indespensible |
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| 04:05.37 | sztanpet | s/indespensible/indispensible/ |
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| 04:06.24 | sztanpet | but bagnon is way-way back in this regard |
| 04:06.31 | sztanpet | it just shows your bags |
| 04:06.45 | sztanpet | and thats perfectly okay btw, just not comparable |
| 04:06.54 | Shefki | *nod* |
| 04:07.10 | Shefki | I've had people ask for TBag to not sort... and my answer is wrong addon. |
| 04:07.14 | ckknight | so apparently UnitGUID("player") is nil when you first log on |
| 04:07.22 | sztanpet | hah |
| 04:07.23 | Repo | 10mill-help: 03Starinnia * r25 MillHelp.toc: use project version replacement in .toc |
| 04:08.10 | Repo | 10libdogtag-unit-3-0: 03ckknight * r173 LibDogTag-Unit-3.0.lua: |
| 04:08.13 | Repo | bugfix with FastStats since UnitGUID("player") is nil on first login |
| 04:09.10 | sztanpet | you gotta love the little nuances wow throws at you |
| 04:09.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:09.27 | ckknight | I wonder when it does become available |
| 04:09.28 | sztanpet | i wonder if war has those too |
| 04:09.58 | Arrowmaster | war probably has more |
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| 04:17.26 | Repo | 10liboop: 03taleden * r3 .docmeta: re-commit |
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| 04:18.33 | sztanpet | ooh some behind-the-scenes action huh |
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| 04:23.13 | Repo | 10gem-helper: 03fenlis * r72 GemHelper_Localization.koKR.lua: - Updated translation koKR |
| 04:25.30 | Repo | 10speakinspell: 03rismisner * r153 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:25.33 | Repo | Fixed a bug with <targetrace> and <targetclass> which were causing it to use your current target's race and class instead of your spell's target's race and class |
| 04:26.26 | Ackis | facepalsm |
| 04:26.39 | Ackis | we are failing at 25-man gluth |
| 04:27.16 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r43 / (4 files in 4 directories): ZOMGBuffs: |
| 04:27.18 | Repo | - Aware of a couple of illusions which break when cast (Murloc Disguise, Worg Disguise) and will suspend auto buffing for these. |
| 04:27.22 | Repo | - Fixed Mage intellect (In ZOMGBuffs at least; no guarantees about guild members). |
| 04:27.24 | Repo | - Better blessing selection for warlock pets depending on pet type (Felguard/Voidwalker get warrior blessings, others get warlock blessings). |
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| 04:31.09 | Repo | 10speakinspell: 03rismisner * r154 Locales/Locale-enUS.lua: |
| 04:31.12 | Repo | Added ritual of refreshment rank 2 Tasty Studel messages that are Strudeltastic!(TM) |
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| 04:36.21 | taleden | is luadoc scheduled at some interval or is it supposed to run as soon as i commit my .docmeta? |
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| 04:36.49 | sztanpet | on comits afaik |
| 04:36.56 | taleden | doesn't seem to be working for me |
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| 04:41.36 | Groktar | http://bum.net/pics/jope.jpg |
| 04:43.24 | sztanpet | Groktar http://88.151.103.8/aoi/images/OvAMe8ZxNH9MqWDG.jpeg thats how i feel towards you |
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| 04:44.48 | Groktar | lol |
| 04:48.15 | taleden | ck, you here? |
| 04:48.41 | Repo | 10talented: 03fenlis * r358 Locales/koKR.lua: - Fixed translation koKR |
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| 04:54.35 | ckknight | taleden: I have never left you, child |
| 04:54.39 | ckknight | and note that "ck" does not ping me |
| 04:54.44 | Repo | 10mill-help: 03Starinnia * r26 MillHelp.lua: fix tier2 spelling |
| 04:54.55 | Whitetooth | why not just use english then |
| 04:54.55 | Whitetooth | mt |
| 04:55.09 | ckknight | Shefki: you here? |
| 04:55.24 | taleden | sorry, never much of an irc guy, not used to the mechanics |
| 04:55.42 | ckknight | say ckk or ckknight next time |
| 04:55.43 | ckknight | that's all |
| 04:55.48 | ckknight | those ping me |
| 04:56.03 | taleden | rgr. remember when I asked you about .docmeta the other day, and you said you could check if it was having a problem? |
| 04:56.08 | Aiiane | ckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 04:56.55 | taleden | my first commit included a .docmeta, but didn't seem to work, so I tried committing it again in case the source files needed to already be in svn when the .docmeta was added, but still nothing |
| 04:57.14 | ckknight | lemme see the documenter log |
| 04:57.17 | ckknight | Aiiane: that didn't ping me |
| 04:57.25 | Aiiane | aw |
| 04:57.54 | Shefki | ckknight: Sorta. |
| 04:58.12 | ckknight | Shefki: in the PB4 spec, I'm renaming group to supergroup and subgroup to group |
| 04:58.19 | ckknight | which matches more what Blizzard has |
| 04:58.28 | ckknight | it shouldn't affect you |
| 04:58.31 | ckknight | I was seeking advice |
| 04:58.35 | ckknight | and you were too slow |
| 04:58.42 | ckknight | and sed was easy |
| 04:58.55 | ckknight | taleden: what project? |
| 04:59.01 | taleden | LibOOP |
| 04:59.07 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:59.10 | Shefki | ckknight: Fine with me. |
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| 05:02.29 | Shefki | Sorry was doing Sarth with the fail priests that can't avoid a flame wall if they were going to win a new car if they did. |
| 05:02.30 | ckknight | fuck, I can't deploy |
| 05:02.41 | ckknight | since my localization app is half-done and would fuck up the DB |
| 05:02.48 | ckknight | urg |
| 05:02.54 | ckknight | taleden: can you wait a day? |
| 05:02.58 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:03.10 | taleden | yeah, no rush |
| 05:03.13 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:03.19 | ckknight | it's a bug on our end, in any event |
| 05:03.20 | Aiiane | l2branch imo |
| 05:03.23 | taleden | ok |
| 05:03.26 | ckknight | Aiiane: yea, I should've |
| 05:03.35 | Aiiane | you still can! |
| 05:03.43 | ckknight | yea, I can, except that I'm off the clock |
| 05:03.46 | Aiiane | :P |
| 05:03.47 | ckknight | so I don't want to wrestle with this |
| 05:04.13 | ckknight | it's not an easy fix like I thought it was, so it can wait until tomorrow |
| 05:04.34 | taleden | cool. thanks for looking into it |
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| 05:18.06 | Repo | 10guildwork: 03Tlor101 * r8 / (2 files in 1 directory): Working to simplify comm and database. |
| 05:20.12 | ckknight | do people still use oRA/CTRA to set main tanks? |
| 05:20.27 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:20.51 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt bother with it in pitbull4 imho though |
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| 05:21.08 | sztanpet | yea goddamn, had to write my own little snooper that stole the ora mt-s and displayed in pb3 |
| 05:21.21 | sztanpet | them |
| 05:22.03 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: yea, that's what I'm wondering |
| 05:23.14 | taleden | anyone have a good example of multiselect usage in aceconfigdialog? mine aren't updating properly |
| 05:23.22 | ckknight | well, maybe if someone requests it down the road, I'll contemplate adding it |
| 05:23.28 | ckknight | taleden: updating how? |
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| 05:24.42 | taleden | when I click one of the boxes, it fires set() with the right arguments, and i've verified that the correct key within the set is being changed, but the checkbox doesn't update to reflect it |
| 05:24.44 | taleden | it just stays checked |
| 05:25.52 | Arrowmaster | after a set is fired it will call get on everything afaik to update the display |
| 05:27.03 | taleden | right, but I know the associated value in the db table is changing, the display just isn't reflecting that change for some reason |
| 05:28.32 | taleden | bah, nevermind, I'm an idiot :X |
| 05:29.18 | taleden | wrote my get() wrong such that it always returned true, and didn't realize it because the options are all set by default anyway |
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| 05:34.24 | ant1pathy | what use is ora2 aside from setting MT? |
| 05:34.39 | doom0r | mmmk, so i found out why my multiplier was changing, but now i want to know why wow takes more cpu alone than with vent and mirc open |
| 05:34.42 | ckknight | ant1pathy: *shrug* but you can set MT in default Blizz frames now |
| 05:34.51 | Groktar | i like /razone feature of ora2 |
| 05:35.02 | doom0r | ckknight: no one does that |
| 05:35.04 | ant1pathy | and it displays the MT boxes, but i use oUF_Perfect for that |
| 05:35.05 | doom0r | they're dumb |
| 05:35.10 | taleden | doom0r: depending what you're using to measure cpu, it might have the same problem that cpu profilers do for addons ingame |
| 05:35.14 | ckknight | what do they do, doom0r? |
| 05:35.23 | Shefki | ora |
| 05:35.24 | taleden | that is, if those apps use any shared drivers or libraries in the system, then load on those libraries might be attributed elsewhere |
| 05:35.37 | doom0r | rightmark |
| 05:35.59 | doom0r | ckknight: nothing, people are stupid, remember? |
| 05:36.09 | ckknight | doom0r: well that's true |
| 05:36.10 | Arrowmaster | you cant sort the blizzard ones |
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| 05:37.17 | doom0r | taleden: that would make sense, but we're talking wow in xp with vent and mirc on a second monitor |
| 05:38.18 | doom0r | i think it has to do with wow's changes towards using dual cores |
| 05:39.18 | doom0r | either way, my head hurts from this crap, and i like pie |
| 05:39.36 | doom0r | oh, and someone enabled bullet time on my server |
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| 06:36.09 | Repo | Renamed "/ss advertise" to "/ss ad" for faster typing, and enhanced this feature with randomized funny ads, to be true to the style of SpeakinSpell |
| 06:36.40 | Repo | 10speakinspell: 03rismisner 04v3.0.3.24-release * r156 : Tagged release 3.0.3.24 |
| 06:40.10 | doom0r | interesting, my buddies DBM auto reply keeps telling me 5/4 people are alive still |
| 06:40.35 | Repo | 10speakinspell: 03rismisner * r157 Locales/Locale-enUS.lua: fixed a typo |
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| 06:59.19 | Groktar | hmm |
| 06:59.37 | Groktar | when i maximize a window under vista the title bar is no longer transparent |
| 06:59.41 | Groktar | THIS BUG ANGERS ME |
| 07:00.48 | doom0r | vista angers me too |
| 07:00.50 | doom0r | why use a bug? |
| 07:02.00 | sztanpet | not a bug tho |
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| 07:07.57 | ckknight | WoW's taint system confuses me |
| 07:08.34 | Shefki | How so? |
| 07:09.06 | Shefki | Any value set by insecure code is tainted. |
| 07:09.10 | ckknight | I thought :SetAttribute was supposed to be blocked in combat |
| 07:09.18 | Shefki | It is. |
| 07:09.25 | ckknight | I can call it |
| 07:09.32 | ckknight | I think it's cause my code's being called in securecall |
| 07:09.46 | Shefki | yes because that clears any taint. |
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| 07:10.06 | Shefki | You writing code in the new secure execution environment? |
| 07:10.08 | ckknight | but I thought :SetAttibute was supposed to be absolutely blocked |
| 07:10.28 | ckknight | no, not sure how I'd do that |
| 07:10.32 | ckknight | still the old way |
| 07:10.43 | Shefki | :( |
| 07:10.57 | ckknight | I'm doing :SetAttribute("initial-width", 123) |
| 07:11.12 | ckknight | ...it seems to work |
| 07:11.18 | ckknight | so I'm like wtf, guy |
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| 07:11.52 | Shefki | The old system is wonky. Sometimes it lets you do stuff othertimes not |
| 07:12.37 | ckknight | ah, no, I found the issue |
| 07:12.51 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 07:13.10 | Shefki | I thought you were going to use the new system? |
| 07:13.27 | ckknight | Iriel's docs have given me no insight on how to do that for unit frames |
| 07:13.40 | ckknight | I could do it for action buttons ;-) |
| 07:13.45 | ckknight | shrugs |
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| 07:14.44 | Shefki | The new sytstem has a generic frame template I thought. |
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| 07:16.47 | Shefki | I know the docs were written around actionbars but I thought the design was generic. |
| 07:16.57 | Repo | 10torta: 03Quezacolt * r22 / (8 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 07:16.59 | Repo | - Search code no longer hackish |
| 07:17.02 | Repo | - Added "Alerts..." button in certain dropdowns. Actual implementation to come soon. |
| 07:17.05 | Repo | - Clarified LDB plugin texts |
| 07:17.07 | Repo | - Renamed certain variables to be more consistent with variable naming used throughout |
| 07:17.28 | ckknight | well, what I could do to alleviate this theoretically is to create all frames right away |
| 07:17.44 | ckknight | i.e. force all 4 party frames and all 40 raid frames to create |
| 07:18.42 | ckknight | the issue is in the initial setup of the frames while in combat |
| 07:18.48 | ckknight | such as if a party member joins in combat |
| 07:20.58 | Shefki | Yeah. |
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| 07:21.57 | Shefki | The idea behind PitBull3 is good but Blizzard didn't really design the templates to allow for it. |
| 07:22.25 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:23.05 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:23.10 | ckknight | looks like I need to test with 3 accounts total |
| 07:23.21 | thul | hmm, how do i reset terminal in unix? :-( |
| 07:23.30 | ckknight | ctrl-l? |
| 07:23.31 | Shefki | reset |
| 07:23.46 | thul | ah, thanks ckknight |
| 07:23.47 | thul | :-P |
| 07:23.58 | thul | found it on google too, relized that it was lazy to ask, BUT YOU BEAT GOOGL! |
| 07:24.01 | thul | and that is impressive |
| 07:24.04 | thul | hugs ckknight |
| 07:24.43 | Shefki | I generally just use the reset command because it ends to do more. |
| 07:24.59 | thul | well, I don't want to exit irssi |
| 07:25.12 | Shefki | Ahh |
| 07:25.19 | thul | I just want to reset the drawing, since the administrator is having fun with terminal-messages :-P |
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| 07:26.12 | Shefki | Ahh yeah you just wanted a redraw. |
| 07:26.56 | ckknight | wtf, it worked |
| 07:27.07 | ckknight | apparently :SetAttribute isn't blocked in this case |
| 07:27.10 | ckknight | wonders |
| 07:27.59 | ckknight | nope, fucked |
| 07:28.44 | thul | yeah, redraw :-P |
| 07:29.00 | thul | so, is $179 too much for a camera bag? I'm still at that :-P |
| 07:29.03 | Maelos | Is there any way to change the deathnight color for all addons? |
| 07:29.11 | Maelos | deathknight too |
| 07:29.34 | ckknight | ah, no |
| 07:29.39 | ckknight | this is just a fucking Blizzard bug |
| 07:29.40 | ckknight | goddammit |
| 07:29.43 | ckknight | fuck you, Blizzard |
| 07:29.44 | ckknight | fuck you. |
| 07:30.27 | ckknight | though maybe my :SetAttributes are causing the InCombatLockdown() to fire badly |
| 07:30.28 | ckknight | grr |
| 07:31.39 | Shefki | ? |
| 07:31.56 | ckknight | yea, that's what's happening |
| 07:32.05 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:32.17 | Shefki | Maelos: Hook the class color function assuming the addons are actually using it. |
| 07:32.21 | ckknight | I could do what I wanted to do if and only if I could make templates on the fly |
| 07:32.45 | Maelos | Shefki: A few addons seem to be defining it |
| 07:32.45 | ckknight | but I can't |
| 07:33.07 | ckknight | so it looks like I'm gonna have to force all frames to create when I create the group header |
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| 07:33.36 | ckknight | wonders how much memory is used up for one unit frame |
| 07:33.38 | pastamancer | ckknight: it's fixed in 3.0.8 |
| 07:33.52 | ckknight | pastamancer: got anything for me to look at? |
| 07:34.05 | ckknight | or just patch notes in general? |
| 07:34.05 | Shefki | pastamancer: Is that the reason the combat bugs are happening with PitBull3 too? |
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| 07:34.21 | pastamancer | ckknight: something similar to this right: http://www.wowace.com/projects/grid/tickets/29-error-cannot-use-secure-handlers-api-during-combat/ |
| 07:34.34 | ckknight | exactly |
| 07:34.49 | Shefki | That's the same problem with PitBull3. |
| 07:34.51 | Shefki | $%%#^#%$ |
| 07:35.01 | pastamancer | yeah, fixed on the PTR |
| 07:35.08 | pastamancer | just live with it until then |
| 07:35.09 | thul | hmm, when is the patch due? |
| 07:35.35 | ckknight | next week minimum |
| 07:35.40 | quiescens | I'd rather have the frames work than be concerned about memory used by a couple of frames that aren't needed right at this instant |
| 07:35.52 | ckknight | quiescens: yea |
| 07:35.58 | Shefki | I assumed it was a PitBull issue because it's always had weird combat issues. |
| 07:36.00 | ckknight | in any event, Shefki, I have working party frames |
| 07:36.12 | Repo | 10statlogiclib: 03Whitetooth * r225 StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: - Remove localization 2.0 compatibility code |
| 07:36.15 | ckknight | Shefki: hey, PB4 is a far better architecture anyway |
| 07:36.18 | quiescens | if it means we have to precreate the frames and just leave them sitting there taking up memory, ultimately that's probably preferable |
| 07:36.18 | ckknight | :-P |
| 07:36.32 | pastamancer | I'm not even sure how you'd force a secureheader to create its children |
| 07:36.39 | pastamancer | well, without taint |
| 07:36.44 | ckknight | pastamancer: I do it in PB3 with config mode |
| 07:36.50 | ckknight | you can do it without taint out of combat |
| 07:36.58 | ckknight | it's a horrid hack, though |
| 07:37.31 | Shefki | pastamancer: It can be done it's just messy and prone to error. |
| 07:37.48 | pastamancer | I think I'll pass then |
| 07:38.07 | Shefki | PitBull3 was plagued with issues because of it. |
| 07:38.58 | sztanpet | whats with grid2 btw, why arent you on the author list pastamancer |
| 07:39.22 | pastamancer | because it's jerry's project... I'm still working on Grid |
| 07:39.42 | sztanpet | i just thought its an evolutionary thing |
| 07:40.04 | pastamancer | nah, grid2 is reworking a lot of the internals to work around some of the problems/limitations with grid |
| 07:40.29 | Shefki | ckknight: Well I'd like to say I was as productive as you tonight but I got sucked into raiding. |
| 07:40.31 | pastamancer | the unitguid branch which I should be ready to release in a few weeks is more of an evolutionary change |
| 07:40.44 | ckknight | hehe, Shefki, it's okay |
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| 07:41.15 | Shefki | Which is good becuase I haven't done anything on the game most of the weekend and spent the time coding. |
| 07:42.17 | ckknight | hehe |
| 07:43.23 | Laric | is there any rss feed for http://www.wowace.com/projects/ ? |
| 07:43.27 | ckknight | yes, Laric |
| 07:43.47 | Laric | got the link? |
| 07:43.53 | ckknight | what browser do you use? |
| 07:44.00 | Laric | firefox |
| 07:44.12 | ckknight | so in the address bar |
| 07:44.18 | ckknight | you don't see the rss symbol? |
| 07:44.28 | Laric | doh |
| 07:44.30 | Laric | my bad |
| 07:44.38 | Laric | was looking for a link on the page itself |
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| 07:44.47 | ckknight | there's no need with modern browsers |
| 07:44.48 | ckknight | even IE7 |
| 07:44.49 | Aiiane | ~fail Laric |
| 07:44.50 | purl | Laric, you Fail! |
| 07:45.04 | Aiiane | and on that note, g'nite |
| 07:45.09 | Laric | lol |
| 07:45.13 | Laric | nite |
| 07:45.29 | sztanpet | ooh whole api documentations are in that rss |
| 07:46.00 | ckknight | yea, maybe the RSS should just show summaries instead... |
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| 07:49.18 | ckknight | pastamancer: I also may have found a way to force all frames to create without taint |
| 07:49.24 | ckknight | lemme test first |
| 07:49.49 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 07:50.04 | ckknight | mostly |
| 07:50.11 | ckknight | it has to deal with lots of negative numbers |
| 07:50.43 | quiescens | wizard |
| 07:51.31 | ckknight | I keep forgetting to eat |
| 07:51.33 | ckknight | now it's 2 AM |
| 07:51.39 | ckknight | I'm gonna cook a pizza |
| 07:51.53 | ckknight | my circadian cycle is so fucked up |
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| 07:53.00 | Shefki | ckknight: You and me both. |
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| 07:53.05 | Shefki | Fortunately my GF feeds me. |
| 07:53.23 | sztanpet | pics! |
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| 07:54.20 | Shefki | Sorry, not in the business of giving people things to fap at. :P |
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| 07:54.29 | sztanpet | aw |
| 07:54.50 | ckknight | Shefki: I need to get one of those |
| 07:54.58 | ckknight | (specifically a cohabitation partner) |
| 07:55.14 | ckknight | good ones are hard to find, though |
| 07:55.17 | Repo | 10statlogiclib: 03Whitetooth * r226 StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: - Remove 2.0 compatibility code in StatModTable |
| 07:57.06 | Laric | hmm that rss doesnt exactly look like a 'whats new over at wowace' :) |
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| 08:01.11 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 08:01.19 | Xinhuan | why is TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE so spammy |
| 08:01.21 | Shefki | ckknight: Yeah she lives here. She's lived with me for about a year now. |
| 08:01.27 | Xinhuan | it even fires if i am just idling in town |
| 08:01.37 | Shefki | Xinhuan: I've wondered that for a while now. |
| 08:01.49 | Xinhuan | i can just sit there doing nothing |
| 08:01.54 | Xinhuan | and it fires a bazillion times |
| 08:01.58 | Xinhuan | for no particular reason |
| 08:02.06 | Shefki | I think it fires based on other people around you too. |
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| 08:02.24 | Xinhuan | the combat log doesn't quite agree though |
| 08:02.29 | Xinhuan | and arg1 is nil |
| 08:02.38 | ckknight | mmm... organic pizza's cooking |
| 08:02.39 | Shefki | I know. |
| 08:02.43 | ckknight | delicious organs... |
| 08:02.59 | Shefki | I had pot roast tonight. |
| 08:03.04 | Shefki | Delicious cow flesh. |
| 08:03.15 | Xinhuan | i just had it fire 17 times |
| 08:03.20 | Xinhuan | in a row in the same frame |
| 08:03.21 | ckknight | mine's Uncured Pepperoni pizza from Archer Farms |
| 08:03.50 | thul | i want breakfast. |
| 08:04.01 | thul | have not eaten in long.. i wish those pesky delivery guys would arrive with fresh food. |
| 08:04.25 | Shefki | I wish we had a Pizza Hut close... /sigh |
| 08:04.38 | Shefki | Love their pan pizza. |
| 08:05.14 | ckknight | Pizza Hut doesn't deliver in this town |
| 08:05.23 | ckknight | only Papa John's and Domino's |
| 08:06.03 | ckknight | pastamancer: still about? |
| 08:06.25 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * 6938d5c license.txt: [new, +1 commit] Added license.txt |
| 08:06.55 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/paste/63/ |
| 08:06.57 | ckknight | Shefki: ^-- |
| 08:07.29 | ckknight | pass in a number (any number, really), and it'll force that many unit frames to be created. |
| 08:07.51 | sztanpet | 1e-2300 ! |
| 08:08.10 | ckknight | I thought that was 0 in lua |
| 08:08.13 | Shefki | Umm that page just loads a blank page. |
| 08:08.14 | ckknight | lua> 0 == 1e-2300 |
| 08:08.15 | lua_bot | ckknight: true |
| 08:08.37 | sztanpet | try to create that many! |
| 08:09.04 | ckknight | Shefki: ugh, db issues |
| 08:09.19 | Shefki | Umm ckknight, do you realize the bars aren't lined up? |
| 08:09.33 | ckknight | bars? |
| 08:09.35 | Shefki | Mana bar is to the right by like one pixel from the healthbar. |
| 08:09.43 | Shefki | Hah it loaded now. |
| 08:09.47 | ckknight | that's odd |
| 08:09.56 | ckknight | I don't see why |
| 08:09.59 | ckknight | lemme check the layout code |
| 08:10.22 | Shefki | They're scaled I bet it's rounding errors. |
| 08:10.37 | ckknight | very likely |
| 08:10.39 | ckknight | though it's odd |
| 08:10.47 | ckknight | since the x should be the same for both |
| 08:17.03 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * f5e0fad / (4 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 08:17.06 | Repo | f5e0fad: Added .pkgmeta |
| 08:17.08 | Repo | 9150a2a: Added core files |
| 08:17.29 | Shefki | ckknight: Just ingore me. I just checked the rect it is the same. |
| 08:17.38 | Shefki | Must just be an optical illusion because of the lack of a border. |
| 08:18.18 | Shefki | Set the texture to minimal and you'll probably see what I'm talking about. |
| 08:18.44 | Shefki | ckknight: Are you going to move the modules out to be LOD for packaging? |
| 08:18.54 | ckknight | eventually |
| 08:19.02 | ckknight | not right yet |
| 08:19.12 | ckknight | the options system would fail currently |
| 08:19.16 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 08:19.27 | Shefki | k |
| 08:24.52 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil * r18 Pokedex.toc: Release v1.1 |
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| 08:28.38 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil 04Release v1.1 * r19 : Tagging as Release v1.1 |
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| 08:34.30 | Shefki | ckknight: UnitFrame:UpdateGUID doesn't actually implement the forceUpdate part of the docs. |
| 08:34.42 | ckknight | I think I put a TODO there |
| 08:34.50 | ckknight | wait |
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| 08:35.22 | ckknight | you're right |
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| 08:37.41 | Shefki | I don't need it, just reading through the code to get up to speed after playing around with the addon a bit. |
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| 08:39.34 | Shefki | Why does SINGLETON_CLASSIFICATIONS include a bunch of stuff that's not in valid_singleton_unit_ids? |
| 08:40.43 | ckknight | actually they are in that one |
| 08:40.45 | ckknight | metatables are fun |
| 08:42.35 | Shefki | I swear sometimes you go out of your way to write cleverly obfuscated code. |
| 08:42.51 | thul | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/29/1035259 |
| 08:45.43 | Shefki | ckknight: So this is entirely |
| 08:45.52 | Shefki | Ace3 now not just using Ace3 for the config? |
| 08:45.53 | ckknight | where? |
| 08:46.02 | ckknight | yes |
| 08:46.03 | Shefki | Sorry hit enter on accident. |
| 08:46.10 | ckknight | where do I obfuscate things? |
| 08:47.00 | Shefki | Ohh I just mean the clever use of metatables to deal with the target and target of target. |
| 08:47.26 | ckknight | it makes it so that targettargettargettargettargettargettargettargettargettargettargettargettarget works as a valid classification |
| 08:47.29 | ckknight | (it is) |
| 08:47.59 | Shefki | Is it actually possible to force the creation of such a frame/ |
| 08:48.07 | ckknight | ..yes |
| 08:48.14 | ckknight | I do nothing to prevent such a travesty |
| 08:48.17 | linear` | is it possible to anchor a frame to a nameplate frame |
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| 08:49.01 | Shefki | ckknight: So the entire frame creation mumbo jumbo that was in PitBull3 is all gone now. |
| 08:49.14 | ckknight | well, no |
| 08:49.24 | ckknight | it's still there for custom stuff |
| 08:49.34 | Shefki | I can just use Ace3 to make whatever frames I want for the Aura module though. |
| 08:49.37 | thul | hmm, is there a slashdot irc channel? :-P |
| 08:49.44 | ckknight | Shefki: theoretically, yea |
| 08:49.55 | ckknight | Shefki: either that or the Controls system that PitBull4 provides |
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| 08:50.22 | Shefki | Ahh. Missed those files. |
| 08:50.49 | ckknight | for Aura, you'll probably want to make your own control type |
| 08:51.00 | Shefki | Yeah that's what I was thinking. |
| 08:51.14 | ckknight | then just be like PitBull4.Controls.MakeAuraDealy(frame) |
| 08:51.35 | Shefki | Yup. |
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| 08:59.11 | Trell- | whats a good ace 'grey' selling addon? |
| 09:02.03 | Laric | if you want an ace based i would guess garbagefu |
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| 09:02.17 | Laric | but there are loads of others |
| 09:03.20 | Repo | 10grid-status-lifebloom: 03Azethoth * r38 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 09:03.23 | Repo | -- alpha version, only compatible with new guid based GridStatusLifebloom.lua |
| 09:04.06 | Megalon | i use: http://www.wowace.com/paste/64/ but that is a very minimalistic approach ;> |
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| 09:09.50 | Trell- | hehe Megalon |
| 09:09.56 | Trell- | think I'll try garbagefu :P |
| 09:13.43 | Repo | 10gem-helper: 03Xinhuan * r73 GemHelper.lua: Significantly reduce CPU usage by throttling updates. |
| 09:13.46 | Repo | Do not scan other players' Jewelcrafting linked in trade chat as your own data (your existing data may be corrupted already). |
| 09:15.16 | Xinhuan | @project gemhelper |
| 09:15.17 | Repo | Xinhuan: No project found that matches 'gemhelper' |
| 09:15.20 | Xinhuan | @project gem-helper |
| 09:15.21 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/gem-helper/. GemHelper. Game: WoW. Xinhuan (Manager/Author). Updated: 94 seconds ago. Tickets: 2/2 |
| 09:15.31 | ulrikft | hmm |
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| 09:24.04 | Repo | 10track-o-matique: 03Anyia3 * r44 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 09:24.05 | doom0r | my brains fried at the moment, can you make autobar right click popout, or should i just look at xbar? |
| 09:24.07 | Repo | * Added support for saving/restoring a tracking type of "None". |
| 09:24.09 | Repo | The string "None" should be translated for the non-English locales... |
| 09:24.28 | Repo | 10track-o-matique: 03Anyia3 042.3 * r45 : Tagging as 2.3, now with "None" support. |
| 09:24.35 | doom0r | or on mod |
| 09:26.29 | doom0r | Trell-: if you want zeroconf with nothing but greys, get tekjunkseller |
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| 10:06.39 | Whitetooth | If I want to change my library from using AceLibrary to LibSub, should I change the MAJOR version and make a new project? |
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| 10:07.56 | Natherul | hey all, i want a new interface addon that allows me to just move the location of the buffs and debuffs and dont want the "progression timer bars" on the buffs anymore, anyone have any tip of such an addon? |
| 10:11.45 | vhaarr | Whitetooth: yes |
| 10:12.32 | vhaarr | Natherul: I think there's basicbuffs on wowace |
| 10:13.18 | Natherul | i'll look it up :D thx vhaarr |
| 10:14.25 | Xinhuan | uncertain on that one Whitetooth, because AceLibrary already uses Libstub, so you would only be removing the middleman AceLibrary dependency - but when in doubt, just bump major anyway - and remove all the pre-3.0 code |
| 10:14.46 | vhaarr | how can you be uncertain |
| 10:14.49 | vhaarr | the answer is "yes" |
| 10:15.33 | Xinhuan | i suppose so, acelib did force enable libstub doesn't |
| 10:16.17 | Xinhuan | going out, bye :) |
| 10:17.45 | doom0r | he must have finished every rep if he's going out |
| 10:17.47 | doom0r | ;x |
| 10:20.06 | EthanCentaurai | lua> ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("%w:truth", "troof") |
| 10:20.07 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: the caktroof is a litroof!, 2 |
| 10:20.13 | EthanCentaurai | O.o |
| 10:20.27 | EthanCentaurai | where'd my e go? |
| 10:20.53 | EthanCentaurai | lua> ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", "troof") |
| 10:20.54 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: the troof is a troof!, 2 |
| 10:21.15 | sztanpet | ~fail EthanCentaurai |
| 10:21.16 | purl | EthanCentaurai, you Fail! |
| 10:21.40 | EthanCentaurai | lua> ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", "%1 trufax") |
| 10:21.41 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: the cake trufax is a lie trufax!, 2 |
| 10:21.48 | EthanCentaurai | win |
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| 10:28.26 | Natherul | vhaarr: is there any way to like torate the buffs in basic buffs so they they go downwards instead of left -> right? |
| 10:29.20 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local function pie() return "pie" end; ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", pie) |
| 10:29.21 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: No output |
| 10:29.33 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * 4780872 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added /huntard unfeign command to easily get out of Feign Death. |
| 10:29.37 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local function pie() return "pie" end; return ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", pie) |
| 10:29.38 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: the pie is a pie!, 2 |
| 10:30.28 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local function pie(msg) print(msg) end; ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", pie) |
| 10:30.29 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: cake, lie |
| 10:30.36 | EthanCentaurai | epic win |
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| 10:33.22 | vhaarr | Natherul: no |
| 10:34.07 | Whitetooth | vhaarr: Since none of the core functions in the library has changed, bumping to 1.1 would make more since then 2.0? |
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| 10:34.40 | sztanphet | wtf |
| 10:34.51 | vhaarr | Whitetooth: ye definetely |
| 10:37.12 | Repo | 10autolootlist: 03Bocom 07master * 3617456 / (3 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit |
| 10:40.03 | EthanCentaurai | where can I find hash codes for class colours? |
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| 10:42.54 | linear` | whats a mod |
| 10:42.59 | linear` | that has arcing statusbars |
| 10:43.18 | EthanCentaurai | IceHUD and MetaHUD |
| 10:43.19 | vhaarr | Natherul: perhaps you want the "Bison" addon instead |
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| 10:44.24 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: hash codes? |
| 10:44.37 | EthanCentaurai | |caarrbbgg|r |
| 10:44.49 | EthanCentaurai | hash colours |
| 10:44.57 | vhaarr | hex |
| 10:45.10 | EthanCentaurai | fails again. |
| 10:45.15 | linear` | whats the concept behind making arcing statusbars |
| 10:45.22 | linear` | like how do u do it |
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| 10:45.57 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: you can't "find" them, you need to make them in your addon dynamically |
| 10:46.02 | vhaarr | or code them in statically |
| 10:46.45 | EthanCentaurai | d'oh, I was hoping someone had done that already :/ |
| 10:46.55 | vhaarr | local hex = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(self,key) local c = RAID_CLASS_COLORS[key]; self[key] = "|cff" .. string.format"%02x%02x%02x", c.r * 255, c.g * 255, c.b * 255); return self[key] }) |
| 10:47.08 | vhaarr | print(hex.WARRIOR) |
| 10:47.28 | EthanCentaurai | good idea |
| 10:48.48 | vhaarr | missing a ( in there |
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| 10:52.07 | zoktar | anyone know of a addon that lets you track "raid info" for all your characters?. |
| 10:52.26 | zoktar | so u can see where all your characters are saved. and when they unlock etc. |
| 10:52.28 | sztanphet | no but not a bad idea |
| 10:53.42 | linear` | wouldnt be hard to make |
| 10:54.25 | Natherul | vhaarr: i found another one that works perfet called satrinasbuffframes or something :D |
| 10:58.36 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): initial commit |
| 10:59.35 | SunTsu | zoktar: Maybe altoholic already implemented this. If not you could ask the author to do so |
| 11:03.49 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local function pie(msg) print(msg) end; ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", pie("%1")) |
| 11:03.49 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: %1, luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'gsub' (string/function/table expected) |
| 11:04.22 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local function pie(msg) return(msg) end; ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", pie("%1")) |
| 11:04.23 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: No output |
| 11:04.34 | EthanCentaurai | lua> local function pie(msg) return(msg) end; return ("the cake:truth is a lie:truth!"):gsub("(%w+):truth", pie("%1")) |
| 11:04.35 | lua_bot | EthanCentaurai: the cake is a lie!, 2 |
| 11:05.21 | sacarasc | , 2 fail |
| 11:05.39 | EthanCentaurai | should really spam lua_bot in a PM... |
| 11:05.56 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r164 Core.lua: RaidBuffStatus: |
| 11:05.58 | Repo | - Added Dalaran Brilliance |
| 11:06.05 | EthanCentaurai | why so fail sacarasc? |
| 11:08.01 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r3 Libs (15 files in 6 directories): initial commit |
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| 11:13.23 | ramoz | anyone know of a broker addon for the calendar? |
| 11:13.33 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * 5bdc697 Huntard.lua: [+1 commit] Added the post to party/raid chat on Feign Death feature. |
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| 11:23.52 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * v0.1-1-g2422ffc .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] Fixed.pkgmeta |
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| 11:26.50 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * v0.1-2-g7ad1f69 Huntard.toc: [+1 commit] Added the no-lib strip to the TOC file. |
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| 11:55.38 | Grum | why do i have 400 dark jades :'( |
| 11:56.01 | sacarasc | because you don't like selling stuff? |
| 11:57.04 | Grum | it doesnt sell :) |
| 11:57.12 | Grum | trying to sell them for 1g each |
| 11:57.21 | Grum | which is 30% of the AH price |
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| 12:03.51 | Repo | 10libtiphooker-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r2 / (8 files in 3 directories): - Initial commit |
| 12:04.20 | Cheads | Grum: I almost seem to be missing Chalcedony |
| 12:07.47 | Grum | missing? |
| 12:07.54 | Grum | got 192 of them |
| 12:08.18 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 07master * v0.2-3-ga1cfd9a Huntard.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 12:08.20 | Repo | a1cfd9a: Fixed a bug from the last commit. |
| 12:08.23 | Repo | 59d0f41: Fixed up the version display while using a dev copy of Huntard. |
| 12:12.48 | selckin | make more lazors imo |
| 12:14.09 | ulrikft | I wonder how a msi wind will run hackintosh |
| 12:18.46 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach 04v1.0.0r2 * r9 : Tagging as v1.0.0r2 |
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| 12:34.35 | Repo | 10proculasfu: 03Xocide * r0 / (5 files in 2 directories): first commit. |
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| 12:55.49 | Pneumatus | nrgh, i wish the author of wintetergraspfu had made it broker/standalone instead... was gonna write it after i got back from my vacation |
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| 13:01.10 | Grum | why not use fubar2broker? |
| 13:01.22 | Grum | or just broker it? :) |
| 13:02.01 | Grum | seriously; crafttimes should be shortened |
| 13:02.07 | Grum | already crafting for 38 minutes nonstop >< |
| 13:04.45 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 13:04.49 | Fisker- | just make them instant already |
| 13:09.00 | Repo | 10proculasfu: 03Xocide * r4 / (5 files in 2 directories): Fixed some stuff. |
| 13:09.02 | Repo | Removed FuBar_ProculasFu.toc |
| 13:09.05 | Repo | Added ProculasFu.toc |
| 13:09.08 | Repo | Fixed some problems with the enUS locale file. |
| 13:13.00 | ulrikft | have any of you american guys sent anything to europe from us? how much does it cost with normal mail? |
| 13:13.17 | many | does it make sense to keep the arcane mastery book? |
| 13:20.03 | Repo | 10fu-bar_to-fu: 03Roemer * r122 ToFu.lua: FuBar_ToFu: |
| 13:20.05 | Repo | - Fixed Bug when talking to Flightmaster as a Druid |
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| 13:28.23 | Repo | 10proculasfu: 03Xocide * r7 / (5 files in 3 directories): Removed AceLocale from the code i gave up on trying to fix the bloody thing. |
| 13:28.26 | Repo | Updated the TOC file |
| 13:28.28 | Repo | Moved things around. |
| 13:30.22 | Repo | 10huntard: 03Xocide 04v0.3 * be74e84 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.3 |
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| 13:36.04 | Repo | 10proculasfu: 03Xocide * r8 Core.lua: Fixed a bug with the options. |
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| 13:56.35 | Repo | - Fixed weapon buffing for Locks. |
| 13:56.38 | Repo | - Fixed error on tooltip when not in a raid in options window. |
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| 14:25.43 | FtH|Daemona | can anyone suggest a good gold-flow addon? Broker_Currency isnt cutting it. |
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| 14:28.01 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r250 / (7 files in 6 directories): XPerl: |
| 14:28.04 | Repo | - Player and Pet names now change colour properly when entering/exiting vehicles. |
| 14:30.20 | Aeyan | I use MoneyTrail, but it might be too simplistic for you |
| 14:31.09 | Aeyan | Just a tooltip that tells your collective gold (and who has how much), a how much gained since logon and how much lost since logon counter. |
| 14:31.29 | Aeyan | counters |
| 14:34.10 | FtH|Daemona | Funkeh` -> http://ace.pastey.net/105262 |
| 14:34.18 | FtH|Daemona | yep, thats definitly too little |
| 14:34.34 | FtH|Daemona | rather looking for some char / day / week / alltime breakdown |
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| 14:42.03 | FtH|Daemona | guess i gonna check out Analyst |
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| 14:48.12 | steev | FtH|Daemona: fubar_moneyfu still works fine here |
| 14:48.24 | ulrikft | so, who of you americans wants to act as a post-proxy for me? :-P |
| 14:48.27 | steev | although it only shows per char on the char |
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| 14:49.01 | ulrikft | http://i25.tinypic.com/14lis20.jpg |
| 14:49.34 | FtH|Daemona | ulrikft looks like SSD prices ;) |
| 14:52.28 | ulrikft | hehe |
| 14:52.29 | ulrikft | yeah |
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| 15:30.18 | Repo | 50db7cf: Improve the options layout. |
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| 15:40.39 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r90 modules (2 files in 1 directory): Added requested Relic and Trinket procs. |
| 15:41.01 | Repo | 10autolootlist: 03Bocom 07master * aec8c73 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Started working on the options dialog, right now it's broken though. |
| 15:41.05 | Repo | 10prat_signon: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.2.1-6-g901c019 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Add slash commands '/signon' and '/so' for Cralor. |
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| 15:43.08 | Trell- | @project autolootlist |
| 15:43.09 | Repo | Trell-: http://www.wowace.com/projects/autolootlist/. AutoLootList. Game: WoW. Status: Waiting for file. Bocom (Manager/Author). Updated: 7 days ago |
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| 15:53.25 | steev | wait what |
| 15:53.45 | steev | it asks you every time theres loot on a mob if you want to loot it when you've told it you want to loot that specific type of item? |
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| 15:55.25 | AckisWork | meh where is funkeh` when I neeeddddd himz |
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| 15:55.48 | steev | doing graphics in paint |
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| 15:56.23 | AckisWork | http://www.soullessguild.org/ <-- look at new guild banner |
| 15:57.40 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r1841 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: - Fixed pvp prices |
| 15:58.02 | AckisWork | someone submitted atlasloot-enhanced to CF today |
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| 16:20.16 | Matrix110 | nice 4k files less in my addons folder |
| 16:22.09 | quiescens | delete them all! |
| 16:22.23 | Matrix110 | well actually they did nothing besides gathering dust :P |
| 16:22.36 | quiescens | delete! |
| 16:22.44 | Matrix110 | 30 copies of Ace3 doesnt make it 30times better sadly |
| 16:22.47 | Arrowmaster | did you delete an svn working copy? |
| 16:22.54 | Arrowmaster | thats about 4k files |
| 16:22.59 | Matrix110 | true... |
| 16:23.08 | Matrix110 | nah I tested Alpha6 |
| 16:23.11 | Matrix110 | and it works :D |
| 16:24.16 | AckisWork | I'm liking alpha1203485 |
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| 16:25.01 | AckisWork | but it's actually much more stable/usable |
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| 16:25.44 | Matrix110 | btw where is my character profile visible from curse? |
| 16:25.51 | Matrix110 | trying to find it |
| 16:25.52 | Matrix110 | but I fail |
| 16:25.54 | nevcairiel | on wowdb |
| 16:26.07 | AckisWork | wowdb is fail |
| 16:26.08 | AckisWork | :( |
| 16:26.08 | Matrix110 | ah |
| 16:26.14 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 16:26.29 | Matrix110 | its not fail but its just not as good as WoWHead |
| 16:26.37 | Matrix110 | better than Thottbot/Allakhazam atleast :P |
| 16:27.55 | Matrix110 | And WoWHead has superior webdesign! |
| 16:29.18 | AckisWork | wowdb has shitty data |
| 16:29.27 | AckisWork | no one uses it, they don't get money from it, so they don't update it |
| 16:29.59 | Matrix110 | with all the cc client users the data shouldnt be that bad |
| 16:30.11 | AckisWork | it's not the users, it's the profiler |
| 16:30.16 | AckisWork | and the wowdb code |
| 16:30.24 | AckisWork | garbage in, garbage out |
| 16:30.27 | Matrix110 | ah |
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| 16:43.16 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: also, CC users can (and do ^^) remove the profiler |
| 16:43.28 | Gnarfoz | I know I do ;D |
| 16:43.29 | AckisWork | anyone here run a guild web-site? |
| 16:43.38 | Matrix110 | Gnarfoz the majority of "noobs" dont even know it exists |
| 16:43.51 | durcyn | AckisWork: sometimes |
| 16:43.51 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: those don't use the client, either, I guess :> |
| 16:44.03 | Matrix110 | Gnarfoz they do :P |
| 16:44.14 | AckisWork | durcyn: do you have a boss progression thing I could look at/borrow/steal? |
| 16:44.21 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: use, rather than "run" - but do you want your guilds progression relative to the other guilds on the realm |
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| 16:44.25 | Gnarfoz | or boss kill counter |
| 16:44.42 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: just something to show which bosses we've killed |
| 16:45.04 | durcyn | AckisWork: i've got a flat page, then a little javascript dropdown fiddly-bit, if that's what you're after |
| 16:45.22 | AckisWork | mind if I take a look at it? |
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| 16:50.22 | Trell- | an example of my total noobishness |
| 16:50.24 | Trell- | So I noticed that other Resto Shamans, in worse gear than me, were hitting larger Healing Waves, Chain Heals, Riptides and Lesser Healing Waves than I ever could. Looked into why tonight, and I finally realised that, since hitting 80, my keybinds have been for 2 or 3 ranks below what they should have been. So my CH, HW and LHW were 2 ranks lower than max, my ES and Riptide were 3 ranks lower than max. |
| 16:50.41 | Trell- | (I've been 80 since about a week after release) |
| 16:51.10 | quiescens | grats |
| 16:51.38 | Gnarfoz | wonder how you did that since actionbars update ranks automatically. |
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| 16:51.44 | durcyn | AckisWork: check your messages etc |
| 16:51.57 | Trell- | not if you have a specific ranked spell |
| 16:52.04 | Trell- | although don't ask me why I had specific ranks |
| 16:52.18 | Trell- | ie: Healing Wave != Healing Wave (Rank7) |
| 16:52.37 | Fisker- | Actually did the same with Flash of Light |
| 16:52.43 | Fisker- | as i had a downrank macro pre-wotlk |
| 16:52.53 | Fisker- | but pulled off the spell and kept the macro instead |
| 16:52.56 | Trell- | I can't believe I've been so retarded though...cleared all content bar maly 10/25 too |
| 16:53.07 | Gnarfoz | Trell-: you can't put a nonspecific rank (wtf) on your actionbars. |
| 16:53.09 | Trell- | and I'm the best geared shaman in our guild >< |
| 16:53.32 | Trell- | Gnarfoz; I had them macro'd on clicks |
| 16:53.32 | Gnarfoz | only way: Macros with (rank X) and using clique but not using the "max rank" option |
| 16:53.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah, fail indeed then :p |
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| 16:55.28 | Fisker- | they should slash repair costs ~100% |
| 16:56.42 | Gnarfoz | keep in mind: ~100%, not 100%. |
| 16:57.43 | Fisker- | indeed Gnarfoz |
| 16:57.58 | AckisWork | gold is too easy to farm |
| 16:58.02 | Fisker- | is not |
| 16:58.42 | AckisWork | I have 20k now, spent 20k on darkmoon cards, 10k on one of the mammoths, have 3 toons with epic flyers :P bought my gf's alt her epic flyer |
| 16:58.43 | Zenom | wtb faster mage leveling :) |
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| 16:59.14 | Zenom | AckisWork: Nice I am always broke on my toons heh. |
| 16:59.17 | Zenom | I hate doing dailies. |
| 16:59.24 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: looks like you racked that up before LK :p |
| 16:59.25 | Zenom | And don't play the AH that much. |
| 16:59.42 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: some yes |
| 16:59.45 | quiescens | ackis runs the auction house |
| 17:00.04 | Fisker- | running the auction house is not farming |
| 17:00.21 | Gnarfoz | only thing I'm doing when the AH allows for it: buying eternal earth / shadow, JC'ing it into rings, DE'ing that, selling the mats. :P |
| 17:00.46 | Trell- | I'm always broke too >< |
| 17:00.57 | AckisWork | quiescens: I hardly do ah stuff |
| 17:01.02 | Trell- | switched mains late in tbc, and levelled my new main with no gathering profession but with jc and insc |
| 17:01.07 | Trell- | so she only has a normal flyer |
| 17:01.10 | Trell- | everyone mocks her |
| 17:01.29 | gix | AckisWork: how then? dailies alone don't really yield that much |
| 17:01.35 | AckisWork | I'm cheap |
| 17:01.55 | gix | i'm probably even cheaper :p |
| 17:02.59 | Xinhuan | i'm 11k/21k on darkmoon rep now |
| 17:03.00 | Fisker- | They might as well remove durability all together :3 |
| 17:03.03 | Xinhuan | with 3 decks waiting |
| 17:03.18 | Xinhuan | need 980 more dreadfang venom sacs |
| 17:04.50 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: which decks are you making? |
| 17:05.12 | Fisker- | your mom hoho |
| 17:05.15 | Arrowmaster | do the lvl 60 ones still give full rep? |
| 17:05.25 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:05.26 | Xinhuan | full rep |
| 17:05.29 | Xinhuan | lvl 60/70 decks |
| 17:05.52 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I'm at 7 or 8k/21k with 6 or 7 waiting |
| 17:06.00 | AckisWork | gonna be nice to get that fucker exalted |
| 17:06.07 | Arrowmaster | must be easyer with inscription now |
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| 17:06.27 | AckisWork | I'm sure Xinhuan is buying up all rogues decks/cards like I am lol |
| 17:06.38 | Xinhuan | i am but ppl stopped making them |
| 17:06.39 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:06.42 | Xinhuan | i make them myself now |
| 17:06.47 | Xinhuan | right now |
| 17:06.54 | Xinhuan | all instances just reset |
| 17:06.55 | Xinhuan | and |
| 17:07.00 | Xinhuan | WG battle just started |
| 17:07.11 | Xinhuan | the moment dalaran yelled "reinforcements are needed, i've opened a portal.." |
| 17:07.18 | Xinhuan | and 300 ppl ported into WG from both factions |
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| 17:07.26 | Xinhuan | the server is in a "hang" status now |
| 17:07.31 | Xinhuan | with only chat working |
| 17:07.37 | Gnarfoz | I wish there was 300 people on my server |
| 17:07.46 | Xinhuan | i know its 300 |
| 17:07.56 | Gnarfoz | (ok there probably are, but I don't think WG has ever been more populated than AV for us ;D) |
| 17:07.56 | Xinhuan | cos alliance side has 120 ppl in raid raid groups with ppl still spamming Invite |
| 17:08.05 | Xinhuan | and teneacity is only stacked like 2 times |
| 17:08.14 | Xinhuan | so its probably like 150 per side |
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| 17:22.18 | AckisWork | what does GetInstanceDifficulty return for 10/25 man? |
| 17:22.49 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r116 NautCore.lua: - tidy-up and optimise the texture rotation and handling |
| 17:24.19 | trh | Ackis: i think i've read 1 for 10man and 2 for 25man |
| 17:24.22 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: normal=10, heroic=25, same returns as other instances |
| 17:24.26 | trh | Ackis: and 3 (epic) isn't used |
| 17:25.09 | AckisWork | ok the epic flag screwed with my head |
| 17:27.24 | Gnarfoz | always fun to set difficulty to heroic |
| 17:27.29 | Gnarfoz | and watch people d/c all over the place |
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| 17:33.28 | steev | any dk tanks around? |
| 17:34.38 | viisual|work | steev, what. |
| 17:35.26 | steev | viisual|work: just wondering what a good dodge/parry % are |
| 17:35.37 | steev | im at 13.23% dodge and 18.something% parry |
| 17:35.50 | Pneumatus | armory a few top guilds? |
| 17:36.22 | steev | if i knew what was considered a top guild (im pre-naxx for the most part) |
| 17:36.46 | steev | i'm only doing this because our prot warrior gets all emo and shit and im tired of it so i want to tank heroics |
| 17:37.16 | steev | even in normal dungeons though i seem to take a shitload of damage even though im crit capped |
| 17:37.21 | steev | im at 544 def |
| 17:37.52 | Pneumatus | DKs do take a lot of damage regardles |
| 17:38.02 | Xinhuan | latest comment on omen - "Why, when I mute the game, does the warning sound still play?" |
| 17:38.04 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 17:38.04 | steev | right because we can't block |
| 17:38.37 | Pneumatus | DKs should be taking damage somewhere between pally/warrior and druids |
| 17:38.43 | viisual|work | steev, that's not bad. lemme take a look a sec |
| 17:38.50 | Pneumatus | well, dk/druid should be about the same |
| 17:38.56 | steev | im at 23.2k health and 21k armor in frost presence |
| 17:39.16 | viisual|work | defense cap? |
| 17:39.21 | steev | there is one gem i can probably replace (yellow) that has dodge+stam) |
| 17:39.52 | Pneumatus | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Gigamo |
| 17:39.56 | viisual|work | A player I know personally from my old guild: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Azsh |
| 17:40.01 | Pneumatus | that's my guilds DK tank, for comparison |
| 17:40.05 | viisual|work | 24%/21% |
| 17:40.31 | Pneumatus | 25k hp, 23% dodge 22% parry |
| 17:40.46 | steev | viisual|work: 544 def is what im at - i meant uncrittable |
| 17:41.08 | viisual|work | Take a look at that armory I linked =P that's pretty high end raiding gear comparison I believe. |
| 17:41.27 | steev | yeah... again, im not raiding, im pre/heroics |
| 17:41.50 | viisual|work | Well pre heroics, your main concern should be 540 def. |
| 17:42.08 | viisual|work | I know DKs who went in with like 400 def /facepalm |
| 17:42.40 | viisual|work | At your current gear you should be fine to mitigate damage as a tank, coupled with your defensive abilities to stop the burst until you get geared out. |
| 17:42.54 | viisual|work | Making a titansteel parry sword or anything? |
| 17:44.32 | steev | im going to be yeah |
| 17:44.54 | steev | im normally dps |
| 17:45.10 | steev | so i got the titansteel destroyer made, now im working on mats for the deflector when its released |
| 17:45.29 | Mikk | visual|work: you dont need to be capped against 83s when all you're fighting is 82s |
| 17:45.34 | Mikk | *bonk* |
| 17:46.00 | viisual|work | 83s = 25 man or 10man ? |
| 17:46.02 | steev | i guess a sword with parry on it would be better than my dps 1h i am using |
| 17:46.16 | Pneumatus | 83 = boss |
| 17:47.01 | viisual|work | steev, I'd also bookmark this if you plan on playing DK Tank for a while in the future. http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t36998-dk_tanking_discussion/ |
| 17:47.46 | steev | viisual|work: just til our other prot warrior hits 80 |
| 17:48.10 | steev | need to find a sword with stam, agi and parry on it |
| 17:48.29 | viisual|work | I do think there is room for a MT DK =P But warrior is probably still better. |
| 17:48.39 | steev | no - i'd just rather dps |
| 17:48.43 | steev | or heal on my resto shaman |
| 17:49.25 | viisual|work | DK DPS is pretty fun |
| 17:49.57 | viisual|work | Me DPS: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Blaqknight |
| 17:50.21 | viisual|work | I need to drop 30 weapon damage and take a SS |
| 17:50.53 | steev | what the fuck |
| 17:51.09 | steev | there are 2 weapons 78+ that have both stam and parry on them |
| 17:51.22 | steev | 1h weapons that is |
| 17:51.28 | viisual|work | Oh you are DW? |
| 17:51.41 | steev | until the deflector is in game, yeah |
| 17:51.57 | steev | normal instances i just use my destroyer |
| 17:52.11 | viisual|work | Less parry-haste ;) |
| 17:52.46 | viisual|work | What kind of DPS do you maintain as a tank build, i'm curious |
| 17:52.52 | viisual|work | Our DK tank seems to have around 1100 |
| 17:53.05 | steev | i don't honestly know |
| 17:53.10 | viisual|work | Or 700 at other times *shurg* |
| 17:53.13 | steev | i got rid of recount |
| 17:53.39 | steev | still get lots of lockups |
| 17:54.04 | steev | turned all kinds of knobs way down and when there are 40+ mobs in my dnd i still freeze |
| 17:54.18 | NeoTron | viisual|work: in what situation? raid? 5 man? |
| 17:54.29 | viisual|work | 10 Man, unfortunately =P |
| 17:54.41 | steev | i tanked 10 man vault the other day |
| 17:54.47 | NeoTron | on a fight like patchwerk I do maybe 1500 DPS as unholy + ghoul |
| 17:54.50 | steev | the reason why im getting "srs" about tanking |
| 17:55.05 | NeoTron | around 1900 dps combined |
| 17:55.06 | steev | i thought patchwerk you're standing there the whole time |
| 17:55.13 | NeoTron | right |
| 17:55.25 | NeoTron | that's a rather optimal situation for single target tanking |
| 17:55.31 | viisual|work | That seems to be the numbers I keep seeing for DPS dks. |
| 17:55.50 | NeoTron | http://wowwebstats.com/wthnjde3f5ix5?s=72880-85952 |
| 17:55.57 | NeoTron | 1500 dps from a dps DK? |
| 17:55.59 | steev | 25 man OS i put out ~2200-2500 |
| 17:56.12 | viisual|work | DRW->D&D->Diseases->Pest->Blood Boil is about 4k dps I found |
| 17:56.16 | steev | which is sad cuz im nowhere near what the gear the people i run with |
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| 17:57.03 | NeoTron | unholy tank spec is rather crappy single target dps/threat |
| 17:57.20 | NeoTron | since the spec is balanced for DPS including the ghoul, which doesn't help tank threat or dps |
| 17:58.23 | steev | sure it does |
| 17:58.28 | steev | sac every 5 minutes :-P |
| 17:58.36 | steev | that heal causes massive threat |
| 17:58.40 | steev | so does rune strike |
| 17:59.04 | steev | hell i've had aoe pulls where i've used the sac just to get the aggro off the healer nub who threw the heal too early |
| 17:59.05 | viisual|work | I don't know what the problem is, just turn on frost pressence for threat =P |
| 18:00.12 | NeoTron | threat is based on DPS. Unholy DPS is lower by design. Unholy threat is lower. |
| 18:00.13 | NeoTron | clear now? |
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| 18:00.25 | NeoTron | aoe threat however is a breeze |
| 18:00.48 | NeoTron | and yes D&D is threat boosted and useful even for single target tanking |
| 18:01.02 | NeoTron | I usually don't have many if any issues during raids, but have issues in 5-mans at times |
| 18:01.21 | steev | lower than |
| 18:01.32 | NivFreak | ~wowalert |
| 18:01.33 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 18:01.46 | steev | NivFreak: rolling restarts |
| 18:01.52 | NivFreak | yep |
| 18:01.55 | NivFreak | just checking time |
| 18:02.02 | NivFreak | waiting for it to happen |
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| 18:02.10 | steev | already happened on our server afaict |
| 18:02.14 | NivFreak | so do respawns come up with the server, or X time after they restart? |
| 18:02.18 | steev | unless you're euro |
| 18:02.29 | steev | if they were up before the server restarted they are up |
| 18:02.41 | steev | going for time-lost? |
| 18:02.47 | NivFreak | have been for like 2 weeks |
| 18:02.49 | NivFreak | never seen him |
| 18:02.54 | NivFreak | I already have the blue |
| 18:02.55 | steev | me either |
| 18:02.58 | steev | friend has him |
| 18:03.04 | steev | i don't even have epic flying yet so *shrug* |
| 18:03.09 | NivFreak | heeh |
| 18:03.26 | viisual|work | Epic flying, ugh. |
| 18:03.38 | steev | thoughts on using a pvp sword for the human bonus to expertise, and high stam |
| 18:03.57 | NivFreak | steev: as long as you have the defense for it |
| 18:04.05 | NivFreak | I've been tanking with a slow weapon lately |
| 18:04.10 | NivFreak | doesn't seem to matter much |
| 18:04.31 | steev | NivFreak: my mh weapon is a dps sword |
| 18:04.41 | viisual|work | Less parry-gibbing =P |
| 18:04.42 | steev | i'd just like to get a buffer since there are only 2 weapons that have stam+parry |
| 18:04.55 | NivFreak | parry == crap |
| 18:05.00 | NivFreak | don't try to gear for it |
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| 18:06.26 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: gear for it when dodge starts to be affected by DR... |
| 18:06.36 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 18:06.43 | NivFreak | have you read the theorycraft? |
| 18:06.49 | Gnarfoz | no, just warrior IRC channels |
| 18:06.50 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 18:06.56 | steev | the problem is |
| 18:07.00 | NivFreak | basically parry is almost immediately hit by DRs |
| 18:07.20 | NivFreak | you want to gear for def/dodge |
| 18:07.27 | NivFreak | in a 3:2 ratio of rating |
| 18:07.32 | steev | there's 1 weapon with stam > 40 and dodge on it - and its got 25 def so it would drop me below uncrittable i think due to dr |
| 18:07.41 | NivFreak | and only pick up parry when the drop is just a flat out upgrade |
| 18:07.42 | steev | it also drops in naxx, so yeah |
| 18:08.11 | NivFreak | you can pug naxx... |
| 18:08.31 | steev | i don't pug |
| 18:08.44 | NivFreak | then get it with your guild :P |
| 18:08.52 | NivFreak | warrior then? |
| 18:08.59 | steev | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38455 |
| 18:09.04 | steev | thoughts on that |
| 18:09.06 | NivFreak | just get the red sword of courage |
| 18:09.33 | steev | heroic.. |
| 18:09.37 | steev | up? |
| 18:10.21 | steev | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draka&n=Steev is me in my sorta tanky stuffs |
| 18:10.34 | NivFreak | steev: yes, heroic UP |
| 18:10.52 | NivFreak | oh |
| 18:10.55 | steev | the belt needs the gem to be upgraded |
| 18:10.55 | NivFreak | you're a DK |
| 18:11.00 | NivFreak | DW ewww |
| 18:11.12 | steev | again... until they release the deflector |
| 18:11.23 | steev | i "have" to based on the gear i have |
| 18:11.28 | viisual|work | DW will be hot next patch. |
| 18:11.42 | viisual|work | I'd go DW if I didn't have an epic 2h... *sigh* actually for having an epic. |
| 18:11.52 | steev | and yes, i know im shitty in arena ratings, thats not what im looking at |
| 18:12.16 | viisual|work | Just get a druid and make them /q out cause no one will die. |
| 18:12.23 | NivFreak | steev: you know there's a quest chain in netherstorm that you can go back and do |
| 18:12.29 | NivFreak | that gives you a 30def trinket |
| 18:12.35 | NivFreak | dabri's enigma |
| 18:12.56 | NivFreak | !i Dabiri's Enigma |
| 18:13.16 | NivFreak | or you could solo the first boss of regular shadow labs |
| 18:13.30 | steev | second |
| 18:13.32 | NivFreak | !i Adamantine Figurine |
| 18:13.39 | steev | that drops off blackheart |
| 18:13.43 | steev | and yes, i can solo him |
| 18:13.44 | NivFreak | ok, the 2nd |
| 18:13.47 | NivFreak | sorry ;) |
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| 18:14.01 | steev | hell i went and 3 manned heroic steamvaults heh |
| 18:14.03 | NivFreak | it's been a while since I geared a tank at 70 |
| 18:15.21 | Trell- | what price would you reccomend selling a undeath deck for? |
| 18:16.19 | Gnarfoz | one appropriate to your realm's economy... :O |
| 18:16.19 | steev | NivFreak: i don't need def though, i need moar dodge |
| 18:16.45 | NivFreak | for what? |
| 18:16.56 | steev | for higher dodge? |
| 18:17.08 | NivFreak | ok, so I guess my question is |
| 18:17.13 | NivFreak | what are you gearing for |
| 18:17.46 | steev | dk unholy (although im playing around with a talent calc for a frost spec) dw tank |
| 18:17.50 | NeoTron | DW tanking... |
| 18:18.02 | steev | im at 13.72% dodge and 18.05% parry |
| 18:18.07 | NeoTron | that's like "gib me plz while I do less threat" tanking |
| 18:18.22 | steev | eh |
| 18:18.28 | steev | run with me sometime :) |
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| 18:18.47 | steev | sure i get gibbed, but i've *never* had a problem with anyone pulling aggro |
| 18:18.52 | Pneumatus | DW tanking = moar parry-haste unless you have an absolute crapton of expertise |
| 18:19.03 | NeoTron | might be more of an issue with your dps than your excellent threat :P |
| 18:19.14 | NeoTron | "your dps" meaning the dps players in the group |
| 18:19.18 | steev | right |
| 18:19.20 | steev | i got taht |
| 18:19.22 | steev | that* |
| 18:19.26 | steev | but no |
| 18:19.38 | steev | i guess, thats the advantage of running with smart people |
| 18:19.42 | NeoTron | but really why would you dw tank when you can 2h tank? |
| 18:19.50 | steev | read up |
| 18:19.53 | steev | im tired of repeating |
| 18:19.55 | NeoTron | smart people = people holding back so they don't pull aggro? :P |
| 18:20.22 | steev | dead dps do no dps |
| 18:20.29 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:20.31 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 18:20.39 | ckknight | steev: that's wrong |
| 18:20.43 | ckknight | you could be a ghoul. |
| 18:20.49 | steev | not if i don't rez em |
| 18:20.55 | viisual|work | Sup ckk. |
| 18:21.00 | Pneumatus | regardless of your threat and dps though, you're gonna take much more damage than you need to due to parry-haste |
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| 18:21.08 | ckknight | viisual|work: I overslept, just got in to work |
| 18:21.11 | steev | yes i fucking know this |
| 18:21.12 | viisual|work | NeoTron, He is waiting for the new titansteel defenseive 2handers until he switches back to 2h. |
| 18:21.15 | ckknight | (it's past noon here) |
| 18:21.20 | steev | how many fucking times to i have to repeat the shit |
| 18:21.24 | viisual|work | I'm CST too ;) |
| 18:21.28 | Matrix110 | hmm Bugsacks not working and display lua errors displays nothing |
| 18:21.29 | Matrix110 | hmmm |
| 18:21.40 | viisual|work | steev, I gotcha back! |
| 18:21.52 | steev | viisual|work: tis just annoying is all |
| 18:22.03 | steev | i KNOW i am getting gibbed, and i DON'T like to dw |
| 18:22.32 | steev | specially when you get all the hard core raiders sending you tells randomly as you're running through dalaran "sup pro, hows that dw treatin ya" |
| 18:22.35 | viisual|work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.35 | viisual|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.38 | NeoTron | steev: sorry for not going back reading pages of text. calm! |
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| 18:22.56 | ckknight | haha, viisual|work |
| 18:23.00 | viisual|work | I pressed the very incorrect key. |
| 18:23.03 | ckknight | copy-pasta ftl |
| 18:23.05 | ckknight | and php ftl |
| 18:23.08 | viisual|work | rofl |
| 18:23.10 | viisual|work | truth |
| 18:23.15 | NeoTron | I'm waiting for the patch to regem and/or re-enchant my gear |
| 18:23.22 | viisual|work | epic fails. |
| 18:23.30 | steev | im only using cloudstrider's waraxe for the 33 def |
| 18:23.41 | NeoTron | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Morasia currently at 549 defense |
| 18:23.42 | AckisWork | anyone bored as hell and wants to debug some html/javascript for me? |
| 18:23.58 | AckisWork | http://www.soullessguild.org/page/show/18460 |
| 18:24.05 | NeoTron | steev: so word of advice if you care - use the minor resilience flask and a 2h instead |
| 18:24.41 | steev | NeoTron: even in heroics??? |
| 18:24.46 | steev | er -?? |
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| 18:24.49 | viisual|work | Ackis : unexpected end of XML source |
| 18:24.51 | viisual|work | [Break on this error] //-->\n |
| 18:24.56 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.58 | NeoTron | it's really cheap |
| 18:25.09 | NeoTron | 4 deadnettle and 1 goldclover |
| 18:25.27 | NeoTron | or heck do what I did - tank crittable for a while |
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| 18:25.37 | NeoTron | in the end it's probably less of an issue than parry gibbing |
| 18:25.41 | steev | lemme load into game |
| 18:25.56 | NeoTron | both me and the other tank were crittable our first few times in Naxx |
| 18:26.19 | FordPref | anyone know how to resize the maintank frame specifically? |
| 18:26.32 | steev | NeoTron: the biggest problem i think i have |
| 18:26.36 | FordPref | when I try to do it in the main tank options it resizes a group instead of the mt |
| 18:27.25 | steev | i run with a pally tank who has ~40k health (he's a hard core raider) - so i get "scared" that my 23.5k health isn't good enoughs |
| 18:29.02 | NeoTron | what do you run? 10 mans or 25 mans? |
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| 18:30.55 | NeoTron | as you know DK's are unfortunately disadvantaged in the health department until the patch |
| 18:31.36 | steev | NeoTron: 5's and heroics |
| 18:31.43 | steev | with my titansteel destroyer |
| 18:32.10 | steev | im at 23.7k health, 21251 armor, 537 def 13.48% dodge 14.22% parry |
| 18:33.41 | NeoTron | I ran my first heroic about 10 minutes after hitting level 80 with essentially nothing but the quest given tank gear and about 21k health.. buffed |
| 18:34.06 | NeoTron | obviously a 40k health pally tank will outtank you but your gear is fine for heroics |
| 18:34.19 | NeoTron | unless your healer is terribad |
| 18:34.34 | steev | welll... |
| 18:34.58 | steev | i used to single heal kara on my resto shaman - to me all other healers are terribad |
| 18:35.22 | NeoTron | but I still recommend that lesser flask vs DW |
| 18:35.23 | steev | my roommate especially - but he refuses to try prot or ret |
| 18:35.49 | NeoTron | ofc it still costs some gold but not terribly much (but I can't account for your economical situation) |
| 18:36.14 | steev | nah, we have some in the gb |
| 18:36.23 | NeoTron | without falling into the "pallies can't heal 5-mans" mantra, they are definitely at a disadvantage atm |
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| 18:36.37 | steev | no |
| 18:36.39 | steev | him specifically |
| 18:36.46 | steev | his skill or lack thereof |
| 18:36.52 | NeoTron | him specifically, perhaps, but also paladins in general |
| 18:36.58 | steev | i run with others that are fine |
| 18:37.02 | NeoTron | so a poor paladin healer is doubly disadvnataged |
| 18:37.11 | steev | i'd agree |
| 18:37.46 | NeoTron | I healed quite a bit in BC on my paladin |
| 18:38.12 | NeoTron | and right now I'm considering whether I shouldn't return to healing in raid situations just because it's terribly hard to find good healers |
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| 19:24.50 | FordPref | anyone know how to fix that |
| 19:25.50 | AckisWork | alt-F4 |
| 19:27.12 | Navv | dont panic |
| 19:30.00 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: camp this guy for me, a few days will suffice: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Ackis |
| 19:31.41 | nevcairiel | Furious Kittens of Doom, somehow that fits in a weird way =P |
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| 19:32.13 | AckisWork | bastards stealing my name :( |
| 19:37.21 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: rofl you didn't block it? |
| 19:37.27 | Gnarfoz | ~fail AckisWork |
| 19:37.27 | purl | AckisWork: FAIL! |
| 19:38.10 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: not my server |
| 19:38.19 | AckisWork | was I supposed to create an Ackis on every server? |
| 19:38.26 | Gnarfoz | oh right |
| 19:38.29 | Gnarfoz | you were on Illidan |
| 19:38.32 | AckisWork | yup |
| 19:38.41 | Gnarfoz | sry, I'm confusing my e-idols |
| 19:39.04 | AckisWork | rofl |
| 19:41.29 | winkiller | mhm, ofc you should do it on any server :P |
| 19:42.28 | Gnarfoz | I feel like ripping off one of the LK release realms for their Scarab Lord title |
| 19:43.28 | Arrowmaster | gates probably already open |
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| 19:44.29 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: no |
| 19:44.34 | Gnarfoz | why else would I even say that :p |
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| 19:54.13 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Now that I don't hook HandleModifiedItemClick, my addon doesn't interact with the trade frame for enchanting. Blargh. |
| 19:55.28 | Zenom | Don't the gates auto open after so many days though? |
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| 19:55.47 | Arrowmaster | Zenom: yes |
| 20:00.18 | Zenom | So what is the best way to powerlevel an alt, if you don't have RAF, but have a 70 or 80 that can help? |
| 20:00.24 | Zenom | Just instance grinding? |
| 20:00.49 | Zyndrome | getting the hierloom shoulders helps a lot |
| 20:01.40 | Aens|Superiority | do the heirloom shoulders change according to what class it is? |
| 20:01.53 | Zyndrome | no |
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| 20:01.58 | Gnarfoz | Zenom, Arrowmaster: that takes longer than it takes for the transfer block to lift, though. :) |
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| 20:02.07 | Zyndrome | the only shoulders that somewhat changes is the hierloom valor shoulders |
| 20:02.11 | Pneumatus | they change from mail -> plate or leather -> mail etc |
| 20:02.19 | Zyndrome | and that |
| 20:02.20 | Pneumatus | if the class in question changes armor type |
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| 20:02.43 | Zyndrome | hunter shoulders turn from leather to mail at 40 , valor from mail to plate |
| 20:03.06 | Zenom | yeah i am trying to level an alt mage, with an 80 dk, 70 lock and 70 shaman. Tried them all. |
| 20:03.15 | Zenom | Just running Stockades atm. |
| 20:03.36 | Pneumatus | heirloom items + questing is the most efficient imo |
| 20:04.09 | Zenom | Kinda seems that way, I was getting about a 1/4 level in stocks, and it works out to be about the same. |
| 20:04.16 | Zenom | About a level an hour roughly. |
| 20:05.05 | Zenom | of course the shoulders are what 40 badges? |
| 20:05.08 | Zenom | which i don't think i have atm |
| 20:05.08 | Pneumatus | 60-70 is like 2h a level |
| 20:05.25 | Pneumatus | and about the same 70-80 |
| 20:05.28 | Zenom | Yeah im 22 right now and low level mage dps is kinda bleh |
| 20:05.59 | Pneumatus | headmasters charge with +30dmg on :) |
| 20:06.10 | Zenom | I hear 50+ it gets a lot better. |
| 20:06.28 | Zenom | Isn't that from strat? or is that the weapon? |
| 20:06.34 | Zenom | From badges. |
| 20:06.36 | Megalon | heirloom |
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| 20:06.56 | Megalon | the original is the epic staff from stratholme |
| 20:06.59 | Pneumatus | sorry yeh, i meant the heirloom :) |
| 20:07.44 | Zenom | Yeah those shoulders would be nice for the experience gain for sure. |
| 20:08.23 | NeoTron | so spaking of badge items, anyone making a nice profit on selling ilevel 213 BoE bracers? :P |
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| 20:40.57 | Trell- | just won forethought talisman and im regretting bidding on it |
| 20:40.58 | Trell- | :'( |
| 20:41.22 | Trell- | I guess it doesnt work on spell power |
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| 20:41.34 | Repo | - Fix hidden unit frames problem when sanity2 (and maybe other addons) is installed |
| 20:41.38 | Trell- | ie; its 3572 regardless of spell power |
| 20:42.53 | Antiarc | It's still a flat +111 SP boost |
| 20:42.56 | Antiarc | That isn't horrid |
| 20:43.00 | Trell- | I had the egg previously |
| 20:43.28 | Trell- | i'll play with it anyway |
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| 20:46.31 | ckknight | this localization app is finally coming together |
| 20:46.47 | ckknight | if there's anything I can do well, it's gotta be stealing other people's designs. |
| 20:47.23 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: now if you improved upon them... |
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| 20:47.28 | Gnarfoz | ;D j/k |
| 20:47.34 | ckknight | hey, I do |
| 20:47.35 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:47.37 | ckknight | that's the whole point |
| 20:47.56 | ckknight | though actually in this case it's more like fine-tuning it for what we do (WoW/lua work) |
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| 21:25.47 | Wraithan | Anyone use TankPoint? |
| 21:26.00 | Wraithan | s/nt/nts/ |
| 21:26.56 | Whitetooth | Wraithan: I do :) |
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| 21:27.59 | Wraithan | I know some of the basics, like 540 def is high priority, but after that, can I use TP pretty reliably? Does it take soft/hard caps in mind? |
| 21:28.16 | viisual|work | what class? |
| 21:28.19 | Wraithan | DK |
| 21:28.44 | viisual|work | http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=6;gb=1;wt=134:119:20:42:117:45:21:22:96:77:114:41;wtv=432:100:99:88:71:63:63:63:50:42:32:5 |
| 21:29.05 | Wraithan | I know, they are trendy as fuck right now, but that is what I am playing lol |
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| 21:29.17 | viisual|work | Take a look at that link if you want Def gear |
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| 21:30.24 | Wraithan | Not 80 yet, building my tanking set as I go though |
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| 21:30.31 | Wraithan | Thank you for the link |
| 21:30.44 | viisual|work | Tank points should be fine for a DK |
| 21:31.06 | viisual|work | 540 Def > Dodge > Parry |
| 21:31.07 | Wraithan | Whitetooth: does TP keep soft/hard caps in mind? |
| 21:31.20 | Whitetooth | It considers all caps, as long as you agree that average time to live is a good formula |
| 21:32.06 | Wraithan | As a DK, so far TPS hasn't been an issue, it has been all just worrying about how long I can last lol |
| 21:34.23 | Wraithan | I wish you could set caps in Pawn |
| 21:34.33 | Wraithan | especially for things like hit rating |
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| 21:43.40 | ckknight | I think the real solution here is to rewrite wowace as one big flash app. |
| 21:44.37 | Zenom | Why? |
| 21:45.02 | ckknight | because that would be a horrible idea |
| 21:45.08 | ckknight | I wanted to see how many ears would perk up |
| 21:45.53 | Zenom | Maybe sell memberships to it while you are at it. |
| 21:46.08 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:46.10 | Zenom | Then watch how many more sites spring up, lol. |
| 21:46.35 | ckknight | well, we are going to have the premium system launch sometime |
| 21:46.51 | ckknight | granted, anyone who is a member of any project gets free premium |
| 21:47.11 | Zenom | If its more than say $15 a year I doubt you will get much interest. |
| 21:47.11 | ckknight | it really only affects the curse client |
| 21:47.11 | Zenom | But who knows. |
| 21:47.22 | ckknight | it's like $2 a month or something |
| 21:47.32 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 21:47.33 | Zenom | There are just better ways to make money with your traffic imo. |
| 21:47.34 | ckknight | I want it to launch |
| 21:47.36 | Zenom | But thats just me :) |
| 21:47.37 | ckknight | because I want free shit. |
| 21:47.49 | ckknight | (authors get free phat lewtz once premium launches) |
| 21:48.06 | Zenom | Cool, guess I need to learn lua so I can bug you about that too :) |
| 21:48.10 | Zenom | lol |
| 21:48.10 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:48.21 | AckisWork | ckknight: rewrite wowace in qbasic |
| 21:48.24 | ckknight | lulz |
| 21:48.32 | Zenom | He's that good. |
| 21:48.40 | Aiiane | <Zenom> There are just better ways to make money with your traffic imo. |
| 21:48.42 | Aiiane | such as? |
| 21:48.42 | ckknight | I'd rather rewrite it in erlang |
| 21:48.50 | viisual|work | f that, do it in lolcat. |
| 21:49.02 | viisual|work | http://lolcode.com/ |
| 21:49.04 | ckknight | Zenom: basically, authors are rewarded "Curse points" every day, based on their addon's popularity. These points can be spent on the aforementioned "phat lewtz" at http://www.wowace.com/store/ |
| 21:49.12 | Zenom | There is better ways to capitalize on the traffic as opposed to charging the community. |
| 21:49.16 | Zenom | Advertising revenue etc., |
| 21:49.22 | ckknight | we already do ads, Zenom |
| 21:49.28 | Zenom | On the site yes. |
| 21:49.30 | Aiiane | ad revenue is already there; the current market is rather crap |
| 21:49.34 | ckknight | quite |
| 21:49.40 | ckknight | and the current economy has only hurt that more |
| 21:49.53 | Aiiane | where else would you put ads, Zenom ? |
| 21:50.04 | Zenom | I would make the curse client alot more robust. IMHO |
| 21:50.10 | ckknight | Zenom: that's being worked on |
| 21:50.14 | Zenom | But I am looking at things from my business perspective. |
| 21:50.15 | AckisWork | I'll take 10 of http://www.wowace.com/store/items/1-dog-poo/ please |
| 21:50.19 | ckknight | note: we want to avoid ads on wowace for as long as possible |
| 21:50.25 | ckknight | AckisWork: right away, good sir! |
| 21:50.29 | Zenom | We try to bring more to the desktop while still making the site available and a valuable resource. |
| 21:50.48 | Zenom | You guys have a nice community maybe make revenue off other means. |
| 21:50.48 | ckknight | bring more to the desktop? |
| 21:50.49 | Aiiane | you didn't answer my question, Zenom :P |
| 21:50.51 | ckknight | how do you do that? |
| 21:50.52 | Zenom | Blogs, guild hosting etc. |
| 21:51.04 | ckknight | Zenom: we plan some form of guild hosting eventually |
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| 21:51.12 | Zenom | Well I don't know the curse business model, so these are all heresay |
| 21:51.14 | ckknight | we provide free blog support already |
| 21:51.17 | Zenom | I'm going from my business. |
| 21:51.29 | Zenom | For us we are providing things like an adobe AIR player for video viewing. |
| 21:51.29 | AckisWork | Zenom: I don't think they have a business model *grumbles about wowdb* |
| 21:51.35 | Zenom | But we are a paid business model (porn). |
| 21:51.40 | Zenom | So it's a little different. |
| 21:51.48 | ckknight | nudes on the desktop |
| 21:51.53 | ckknight | ...sucking dick on the desktop |
| 21:51.58 | Zenom | lol |
| 21:52.01 | viisual|work | sfw? |
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| 21:52.33 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: i think your images on the store are backwards, the 360 elite is black and the normal white |
| 21:52.45 | viisual|work | Arrowmaster, I was just going to nitpick that myself! |
| 21:53.01 | viisual|work | But shh, phat lewtz |
| 21:53.21 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I was just making example items so that I could test the layout |
| 21:53.21 | Zenom | and Aiiane the curse client is one valuable place, or you could do pod casts and sell advertising within them. |
| 21:53.26 | Arrowmaster | now how long is it going to take to earn 8000 points..... i need a new 360, my 20 gig harddrive is full on mine |
| 21:53.32 | Zenom | There are tons of ways to generate revenue with a large gaming community. |
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| 21:53.53 | Zenom | But at the same time the Curse Client can't be shitty. |
| 21:54.02 | AckisWork | http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1680/39/125/512851685/n512851685_1320832_4414.jpg can anyone see that? |
| 21:54.03 | Aiiane | well the one of the biggest components of the premium/nonpremium bit is putting ads in it |
| 21:54.14 | Aiiane | (the client, that is) |
| 21:54.28 | Arrowmaster | poor dog |
| 21:54.31 | Aiiane | and then allowing people to pay if they want to get rid of them (and also have the 1-click-update-everything) |
| 21:54.33 | WobWork | wet dog |
| 21:54.33 | Zenom | I took the premium as you guys were selling memberships to Curse for maybe better, priority downloads. |
| 21:54.54 | Zenom | To me that wouldbe more worth itthan the ads / no ads client. |
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| 21:55.25 | Zenom | At the same time the CC is providing the same thing that other clients provide for free, why pay? |
| 21:56.25 | Aiiane | because the other clients will be slower since they're forced to screen-scrape? |
| 21:56.40 | Zenom | wowui screen scrapes? |
| 21:56.43 | Zenom | don't they have a client? |
| 21:56.51 | Zenom | or wowint whatever site it is |
| 21:56.58 | Aiiane | wowui's doesn't screen scrape, but it also doesnt pull from curse |
| 21:57.03 | Aiiane | and not everything is on either site |
| 21:57.07 | Arrowmaster | wowi doesnt have a client that pulls from curse |
| 21:57.08 | Zenom | Or you could create an api for people to create other clients. |
| 21:57.13 | Arrowmaster | wowui doesnt have a client anymore afaik |
| 21:57.15 | Zenom | But make sure that there is space for your ad space. |
| 21:57.30 | Aiiane | I believe someone was working on one again Arrowmaster ? |
| 21:57.42 | Aiiane | someone whose name begins with S, but I forget which person that was :P |
| 21:58.00 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: Shirik? hes working on the wowi one |
| 21:58.05 | Aiiane | oh |
| 21:58.10 | Aiiane | sorry, i meant wowi |
| 21:58.15 | Aiiane | forgot that wowui is diff |
| 21:58.19 | Zenom | Thats who I meant too, is wowint |
| 21:58.22 | Zenom | not wowui |
| 21:58.25 | Shirik | be careful about saying "Wowi" anymore, Arrowmaster :) |
| 21:58.47 | Arrowmaster | and i doubt anybody would use a wowui one if they made a new one considering how many times it got infected with keyloggers |
| 21:58.51 | Aiiane | anywho, assuming you speak about the proper site, my statement stands |
| 21:58.51 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: why? |
| 21:59.06 | Shirik | I'm literally minutes away from releasing documentation that will show how anyone can write modules for the new updater |
| 21:59.13 | Shirik | I'm writing it as we speak :P |
| 21:59.55 | Shirik | While I don't intend to write any more modules than just mmoui's sites, it would be theoretically possible to write modules for any site |
| 22:00.08 | Shirik | I'm considering writing a git and svn module too, haven't decided yet |
| 22:00.31 | Zenom | Aiiane: You are also thinking Curse specific. |
| 22:00.43 | Zenom | Think outside of curse, if wowint has a db, or if wowhead created a repo. |
| 22:00.58 | Zenom | They could do the same thing, without costing the end user money. |
| 22:01.00 | Zenom | And still making a profit. |
| 22:01.10 | Aiiane | why would wowhead create a repo; they'd be competing with another one of their network partners |
| 22:01.25 | Zenom | I don't know every resource out there, was an example. |
| 22:01.43 | Arrowmaster | wowhead and wowinterface are both owned by zam |
| 22:01.47 | Aiiane | ^ |
| 22:02.04 | Zenom | Ok, so why would wowint screenscrape? |
| 22:02.10 | Arrowmaster | thottbot allakhazam and wowhead are also all owned by zam |
| 22:02.11 | Aiiane | it doesn't, like I said |
| 22:02.13 | Fisker- | harasses Shirik |
| 22:02.14 | Zenom | And who says they can't provide a better updater. |
| 22:02.19 | Aiiane | it simply doesn't pull off curse |
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| 22:02.31 | Aiiane | and like I said, not all addons are on either site. |
| 22:02.31 | Arrowmaster | Zenom: the wowinterface updater only updates from wowinterface |
| 22:02.42 | Arrowmaster | Zenom: wowmatrix screen scrapes both sites afaik |
| 22:02.46 | Zenom | I wonder why that is though too. |
| 22:02.53 | Aiiane | why what is? |
| 22:02.54 | Zenom | Why more are not "unified" addon wise. |
| 22:03.04 | Zenom | Why people choose curse vs wowint. |
| 22:03.08 | Shirik | you're asking questions which have been answered for ages, Zenom |
| 22:03.13 | Aiiane | personal preference? |
| 22:03.20 | Shirik | some people simply don't like one or the other, some people don't want to "waste time" trying to maintain both sites |
| 22:03.32 | Aeyan | True enough |
| 22:03.37 | Zenom | Maybe an app to update both sites? |
| 22:03.41 | Aiiane | Currently, mmoui (aka wowinterface) doesn't support Hg |
| 22:03.55 | Zenom | I don't write addons so again this is all just me asking questions. |
| 22:03.56 | AckisWork | imo wowui > all |
| 22:04.03 | Aiiane | and I don't really want to take the time to re-download the things I have packaged automatically on curseforge |
| 22:04.04 | Arrowmaster | and zam is pissed at curse so they cant work out a deal to have the updaters work between both sites |
| 22:04.06 | Aiiane | just to upload them again |
| 22:04.28 | Zenom | So why doesn't someone write an app that allows it to pull and update to wowint easier? |
| 22:04.29 | Shirik | One thing's for sure: All the sites hate wowmatrix |
| 22:04.37 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 22:04.39 | Zenom | wowmatrix charges don't they? |
| 22:04.43 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:04.45 | Aiiane | wowmatrix runs their own ads |
| 22:04.49 | Zenom | Ah. |
| 22:04.53 | Aiiane | and screen-scrapes everyone else's content |
| 22:04.59 | Zenom | See I think if you just created a nice api from curse. |
| 22:05.07 | Aiiane | not to mention uses the other sites' bandwidth for the actual downloads |
| 22:05.08 | Zenom | So others could create nicer clients. But force an ad space. |
| 22:05.11 | Zenom | That might help too. |
| 22:05.13 | Aeyan | No, but they use (or did use) bad practices for scraping the other sites and share no ad revenue with them for their bandwidth |
| 22:05.16 | ckknight | Zenom: how would we force ad space? |
| 22:05.17 | Aiiane | Zenom: you can't "force" an ad space, though |
| 22:05.19 | Arrowmaster | their own ads full of gold selling, powerleveling, gold making guides, powerleveling guides, etc that everybody hates |
| 22:05.25 | Zenom | ckknight: I don't know, im thinking about that. |
| 22:05.50 | Zenom | Maybe some sort of session type of thing that makes the api check to see if they are authorized to download/ad exists? |
| 22:05.58 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: I bought gold twice and now the buggers won't stop e-mailing me! :( |
| 22:06.05 | ckknight | AckisWork: hehe |
| 22:06.05 | Aiiane | how do you check if an ad exists and is actually visible though Zenom ? |
| 22:06.08 | Zenom | In the player, of course that doesn't meant the ad is "showing" in the ap. |
| 22:06.16 | Zenom | Yeah just thought about that oo. |
| 22:06.17 | Zenom | too |
| 22:06.27 | Aiiane | It's really just not a viable concept |
| 22:06.32 | Arrowmaster | Zenom: i think the idea was to possible create a 3rd party api that required the user have a premium account |
| 22:06.38 | Aiiane | ^ |
| 22:06.40 | ckknight | (btw, we've thought about providing an API through wowace that updaters could use, and limit it to just premium users only) |
| 22:06.45 | Arrowmaster | AckisWork: a guild mate gets text messages |
| 22:06.56 | Zenom | But premium is just ads or no ads? |
| 22:06.59 | AckisWork | oh god that would make me go crazy |
| 22:07.03 | Aiiane | premium is no ads. |
| 22:07.05 | Arrowmaster | he doesnt even know how they got his cellphone number |
| 22:07.10 | AckisWork | every 5 seconds my phone going "why so serious son?" |
| 22:07.11 | ckknight | premium = no ads, automatic updating, etc. |
| 22:07.41 | Zenom | What keeps me from writing a python script and just adding a list of my urls to update? |
| 22:07.46 | Zenom | And bypassing that? |
| 22:08.00 | Aiiane | that'd be screenscraping. |
| 22:08.11 | Fisker- | also i'll rape you in the but |
| 22:08.12 | Fisker- | butt |
| 22:08.12 | ckknight | Zenom: we'd have a middleman written in near-raw Werkzeug |
| 22:08.13 | Aiiane | unless you mean always redownloading regardless of whether there's an update or not |
| 22:08.14 | Zenom | No screenscraping involved really. |
| 22:08.23 | ckknight | we'd have temporary urls that exist only once and only for a minute |
| 22:08.29 | ckknight | so that you have to use our API |
| 22:08.29 | Arrowmaster | Zenom: yes it would |
| 22:08.44 | ckknight | we're going to have a middleman eventually anyway |
| 22:08.46 | Zenom | Very little, and not enough to make that big of a difference. |
| 22:08.49 | Arrowmaster | Zenom: theres no url that always has the most recent version |
| 22:09.10 | Aiiane | this isn't the original wowace which had files.wowace.com to serve the latest zip automatically |
| 22:09.24 | Zenom | Anyway my point isn't which is better, its more of me brainstorming about revenue streams :) |
| 22:09.56 | AckisWork | Zenom: imo the curse client should include a cup, so all the wow nerd virgins can donate their... excess |
| 22:10.10 | Aiiane | ewwww |
| 22:10.22 | Arrowmaster | if they were really hurt for cash they could allow gold seller ads, but then they wouldnt be able to get any promotional deals with blizzard and some people would stop using the site just because of the gold ads |
| 22:10.24 | Aiiane | i did not need to read that ackis >< |
| 22:10.40 | AckisWork | Aiiane: I'm not sure how we'd handle your sex though... *gets lost in thought* |
| 22:10.56 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal * r16 / (2 files in 2 directories): Removed all references to LibQTipClick. |
| 22:11.18 | Zenom | I just wonder how many people would pay $2-3 a month for that auto update |
| 22:11.20 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: the gold ads provide a lot more money |
| 22:11.23 | ckknight | but yea, there would be backlash |
| 22:11.23 | Zenom | vs just opening the curse client. |
| 22:11.26 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 22:11.29 | Arrowmaster | which is why i said that |
| 22:11.37 | ckknight | Zenom: opening the client, updating each addon manually. |
| 22:11.43 | Arrowmaster | even the gold ads on google provide a ton |
| 22:11.43 | ckknight | click, wait 5 seconds, install |
| 22:11.45 | Zenom | Ah. |
| 22:11.52 | Zenom | So you are going to make it a pain in the ass. |
| 22:11.56 | ckknight | yes. |
| 22:11.58 | Zenom | And make people move? :) |
| 22:11.59 | ckknight | not me, though |
| 22:12.03 | ckknight | move to what? |
| 22:12.09 | Zenom | To another service lol. |
| 22:12.13 | ckknight | what service? |
| 22:12.22 | Zenom | wowint, if the addons exist i guess. |
| 22:12.36 | ckknight | yea, but they don't all exist on there |
| 22:12.36 | Arrowmaster | not all do though |
| 22:12.47 | Zenom | See another idea with the add revenue would be to provide an affiliate program. |
| 22:12.52 | Aiiane | not to mention, if wowint starts getting hit by the kind of traffic levels curse gets hit by |
| 22:12.52 | Arrowmaster | and some that do are extremely outdated |
| 22:12.54 | Zenom | Ie., pay app developers a cut for showing the adds. |
| 22:13.00 | AckisWork | I'm wondering if anyone will take them down from wowi because of the author reward program |
| 22:13.02 | Aiiane | wowint would probably need to make some changes as well |
| 22:13.03 | Zenom | So this would eliminate them hiding them. |
| 22:13.25 | ckknight | Zenom: but then how do you verify that the ads even show rather than fetch the image and not show it? |
| 22:13.27 | Zenom | Rewarding the updater developer and curse at the same time, and keeping it free for the users. |
| 22:13.31 | Arrowmaster | well i think wowint can handle the traffic better though, since they are owned by zam |
| 22:13.33 | Zenom | Click tracking. |
| 22:13.38 | Arrowmaster | where as curse is independent |
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| 22:13.53 | Zenom | You can then determine who / which clients are getting traffic. |
| 22:13.55 | ckknight | well, Curse is just owned by Curse, Inc. |
| 22:13.56 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:14.14 | Aiiane | Zenom: that doesn't change the people who will just make updaters that don't show the addon and don't care about revenue |
| 22:14.29 | Aiiane | and thus in the interests of "the community" will kill the hand that feeds it |
| 22:14.34 | Zenom | Aiiane: sure it will , it can be tracked at curse and updaters shut down. |
| 22:15.00 | Aiiane | how do you shut it down, though |
| 22:15.24 | Aiiane | if you provide IDs to "ok" clients, someone else will just masquerade as that ID |
| 22:15.24 | Zenom | Within the api, if you have a generated key pair so to speak that is sent per unique ui developer. |
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| 22:15.54 | Aiiane | see above |
| 22:16.04 | Zenom | And if they masquerade that ID then its shut down anyway. |
| 22:16.13 | Zenom | You just stop allowing that "id" for that developer to access. |
| 22:16.17 | Zenom | All remote clients are shut down. |
| 22:16.24 | Aiiane | in which case we're back to square 1 |
| 22:16.32 | Aiiane | of not having the remote clients in the first place |
| 22:16.37 | Zenom | No because there will be 10 more people with clients who will put ads. |
| 22:16.57 | Aiiane | at which point, the"free" client will masquerade as one of those 10 instead |
| 22:17.09 | Zenom | With a larger audience possibly. |
| 22:17.10 | ckknight | possibly randomly as one of those ten, each time you open |
| 22:17.13 | Zenom | With more views for revenue. |
| 22:17.24 | Aiiane | no, because the free client isnt showing ads |
| 22:17.24 | Torhal | Zenom: Why so serious? |
| 22:17.31 | Aiiane | no ads = no revenue |
| 22:17.52 | Zenom | Which free client Aiiane? I don't think im making myself clear :) |
| 22:17.59 | Zenom | Torhal: not serious, just thinking :) |
| 22:18.06 | Aiiane | the hypothetical one we've been talking about this entire time. |
| 22:18.16 | Aiiane | "if you provide IDs to "ok" clients, someone else will just masquerade as that ID" |
| 22:18.21 | Zenom | Here is my point simply. |
| 22:18.22 | Aiiane | that "someone else" being a client not showing ads |
| 22:18.30 | Zenom | If you can create a unique id., then they can't masquerade it. |
| 22:18.35 | Aiiane | bullshit. |
| 22:18.40 | Zenom | Something like a public/private key pair. |
| 22:18.46 | Zenom | Would be pretty tough to masquerade. |
| 22:18.57 | Arrowmaster | no it wouldnt |
| 22:19.01 | ckknight | pretty easy, actually |
| 22:19.07 | Zenom | LOL, ok then. |
| 22:19.07 | Aiiane | no, you open the "ok" client in a debugger and read the key right out from it |
| 22:19.21 | Zenom | And that key can be shut down on the curse side. |
| 22:19.21 | Aiiane | or just sniff the packet as its generated |
| 22:19.23 | Arrowmaster | or you just packet sniff |
| 22:19.24 | Zenom | Making it bad. |
| 22:19.28 | Aiiane | at which point it swaps keys |
| 22:19.31 | Zenom | and no access to the api. |
| 22:19.36 | Aiiane | or more specifically, the developer swaps keys |
| 22:19.44 | Aiiane | as long as there is a publicly accessible "ok" client |
| 22:19.46 | Zenom | true i guess they could rip everyone else's keys. |
| 22:19.51 | Aiiane | exactly |
| 22:19.56 | Aiiane | that's what we've been trying to tell you |
| 22:20.04 | Aiiane | which, as I said, brings you back to square 1 |
| 22:20.05 | Zenom | Sorry, just clicked :) |
| 22:20.30 | Zenom | I'm just trying to think of it like our drm stuff i guess. |
| 22:20.38 | Zenom | Our app has a private app id and publisher id. |
| 22:20.41 | Antiarc | http://www.tentaclegrape.com/ |
| 22:20.51 | Zenom | And we can encode/drm our videos to only work with our app/publisher id's |
| 22:21.06 | Torhal | Until someone rips them. |
| 22:21.10 | Zenom | And it requires a cert from adobe. |
| 22:21.11 | Aiiane | technically, even your DRM is breakable |
| 22:21.20 | Aiiane | since it has to be able to run on a client machine |
| 22:21.21 | Zenom | Oh I don't doubt it. |
| 22:21.32 | Arrowmaster | everything is breakable |
| 22:21.32 | trh | drm = defective by design |
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| 22:21.36 | Zenom | I hate DRM personally makes my life a living hell. |
| 22:21.40 | Wobin | rar |
| 22:21.50 | Wobin | I hate resterants without websites |
| 22:21.57 | ckknight | Wobin: same. |
| 22:22.03 | Aiiane | and technically, the curse client is breakable too |
| 22:22.06 | ckknight | even if it's a simple 1-page html thing |
| 22:22.09 | Aiiane | but it's a lot easier to update the curse client |
| 22:22.18 | Aiiane | than it is to ask 10+ 3rd party developers to change something |
| 22:22.19 | Arrowmaster | the curse client was already broken |
| 22:22.22 | ckknight | Aiiane: true, but it'd take a good deal of effort, at which point we can change it easily. |
| 22:22.23 | Aiiane | so the cat-and-mouse game is easier |
| 22:22.28 | Wobin | something to say: "Hey we're closed for the holidays and will reopen at X time" or something would be nice |
| 22:22.29 | Aiiane | exactly ckk |
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| 22:23.28 | doom0r | Wobin: what's worse is if they have a menu, then don't have something on that when you go there |
| 22:24.26 | Zenom | Does the curse client work as a svn/hg type of client? Or downloads entire zips? |
| 22:24.44 | Arrowmaster | entire zips |
| 22:24.58 | Zenom | I went to thinking about bandwidth use and if it would be more efficient to maybe code a python client for platforms and use mercurial or something. |
| 22:25.01 | trh | Wobin: theres that thing.. what was it called... ah.. telephone ;) |
| 22:25.02 | Wobin | less stress on the revisioning system to do something it shouldn't |
| 22:25.02 | Zenom | To have it just update changes. |
| 22:25.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:25.09 | Arrowmaster | zips is the only option |
| 22:25.11 | Wobin | trh: They're not answering =) |
| 22:25.14 | doom0r | cpu time is horrible with that |
| 22:25.17 | trh | Wobin: probably closed then |
| 22:25.23 | Wobin | trh: Nor have they an answering machine saying their hours |
| 22:25.35 | Wobin | trh: Which is just as useful |
| 22:25.59 | trh | Wobin: i agress on the answering machine |
| 22:26.03 | trh | Wobin: agree |
| 22:26.13 | Wobin | Zenom: revisioning systems should -not- be used for distribution on a large scale |
| 22:26.34 | AckisWork | Wobin: just go to the restraunt and read the sign |
| 22:26.34 | Torhal | Unless you eat babies. |
| 22:26.43 | Wobin | That's where the original acesvn went terribly wrong |
| 22:26.45 | doom0r | you would need a precalculated diff for everything |
| 22:27.36 | Wobin | AckisWork: That's a terrible amount of work for something with less than likey result. Also, why should I have to go to such effort to -give- them my business? |
| 22:27.48 | AckisWork | pfft |
| 22:27.59 | Torhal | Wobin: Call corporate. |
| 22:28.07 | Wobin | You're assuming it's not an hours drive to get to there =P |
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| 22:29.30 | Wobin | Torhal: I would! If it were a franchise =P |
| 22:29.39 | Torhal | Damn it, man! |
| 22:29.39 | Wobin | And not a soley owned restaurant =) |
| 22:30.23 | Wobin | "...you're a doctor, not a CSR?" |
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| 22:40.12 | Fisker- | Wobin ! |
| 22:40.15 | Fisker- | you're so awesome |
| 22:40.43 | Shirik | Fisker-! |
| 22:40.46 | Shirik | You're not! |
| 22:40.55 | Fisker- | :( |
| 22:40.59 | Fisker- | why so mean Shirik ? |
| 22:41.07 | Shirik | why so not mean Fisker- ? |
| 22:41.26 | Fisker- | because i'm not mean hoho |
| 22:45.16 | ckknight | someone say something anti-semetic |
| 22:45.33 | doom0r | penis |
| 22:45.48 | Wobin | foreskin |
| 22:45.56 | doom0r | touche |
| 22:46.22 | ckknight | I think Wobin wins this round. |
| 22:46.41 | trh | that's not anti-semantic :P |
| 22:46.45 | Shirik | ho shits |
| 22:46.48 | Shirik | tar: atlassian-jira-enterprise-3.13.2-standalone/bin/permgen.sh: Cannot write: No space left on device |
| 22:46.50 | Shirik | not goods |
| 22:47.04 | ckknight | trh: semetic â Â semantic |
| 22:47.13 | ckknight | Shirik: no that is not |
| 22:47.25 | trh | ckknight: is semetic even a word? i don't think so ;) |
| 22:47.27 | Shirik | I'm surprised I ran out of space |
| 22:47.36 | ckknight | trh: yes, of course it is |
| 22:47.46 | trh | ckknight: sure you don't mean semitic? |
| 22:47.54 | ckknight | ... I might |
| 22:48.00 | ckknight | yes, I do mean that |
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| 22:50.05 | ckknight | @project cursefogre |
| 22:50.06 | Repo | ckknight: No project found that matches 'cursefogre' |
| 22:50.08 | ckknight | @project curseforge |
| 22:50.09 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/. CurseForge.com. Kaelten (Manager/Author), ckknight (Author), Ackis (Ticket Manager). Updated: 259 days ago. Tickets: 225/1005 |
| 22:51.06 | ckknight | New announcement: http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/abandoned-projects/ |
| 22:51.09 | doom0r | so 223 tickets about passwords being stolen, 1 from ackis as a joke, and 1 you're doin it wrong |
| 22:51.52 | trh | 25c3 was until today.. so there might be some truth to it |
| 22:54.37 | ckknight | I think it's time to deploy my new localization app |
| 22:54.46 | ckknight | well, not new |
| 22:54.52 | ckknight | touched up old one to be less shitty |
| 22:55.42 | AckisWork | pray tell that it's ackis proof |
| 22:55.48 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:55.53 | ckknight | I hope so |
| 22:56.40 | AckisWork | CF/wowace just take a shit? |
| 22:56.47 | trh | i wonder if anyone ever made a application to simplify addon localizations - i.e. find unused strings in every localisation, which strings missed in which translation etc. |
| 22:57.10 | AckisWork | trh: ckknight did |
| 22:57.17 | ckknight | ...this is what this is |
| 22:57.27 | trh | oh.. ok :) |
| 22:57.37 | trh | thought it was some curseforge localization or sth :) |
| 22:57.40 | ckknight | nah |
| 22:57.45 | ckknight | we're English only for a while |
| 22:59.11 | ckknight | because as devs, you should know English anyway |
| 22:59.16 | ckknight | for srs |
| 23:00.24 | trh | yea.. i don't think there are any serious (western european) dev who doesn't know english... |
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| 23:00.46 | ckknight | comments, variable names, etc. should be in English |
| 23:00.54 | ckknight | it's one big reason why linux is so popular |
| 23:01.04 | ckknight | there were other x86 *nix implementations before it |
| 23:01.22 | ckknight | they were just unhackable since the docs and names and all weren't English |
| 23:01.38 | ckknight | even though Torvalds is a Swede, he still did it all in English |
| 23:02.14 | trh | he's finnish :P |
| 23:02.43 | trh | (yea i know.. it's all the same ;) |
| 23:03.24 | AckisWork | @project curseforge |
| 23:03.32 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/. CurseForge.com. Kaelten (Manager/Author), ckknight (Author), Ackis (Ticket Manager). Updated: 259 days ago. Tickets: 220/1004 |
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| 23:03.44 | ckknight | trh: he was a Finn living in Sweden |
| 23:03.45 | ckknight | I think |
| 23:03.46 | AckisWork | ckknight: variable names should be foo1 ... foon |
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| 23:03.58 | ckknight | AckisWork: are you destroying tickets? |
| 23:04.01 | doom0r | "His family belongs to the Swedish-speaking minority (5.5%) of Finland's population." |
| 23:04.14 | AckisWork | ckknight: kinda |
| 23:04.28 | AckisWork | I'm "dealing" with them |
| 23:04.44 | AckisWork | post comment "NO U SUCK", mark as declined, next |
| 23:05.35 | trh | ckknight: i think he was in helsinki (finland) when he wrote it, but he might have spoken swedish (there's small popuplation of swedish-speaking finlandians(?)) |
| 23:05.46 | ckknight | it's something weird |
| 23:05.54 | ckknight | AckisWork: works for me |
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| 23:08.53 | ckknight | well, let's hope things don't shit all over themselves. |
| 23:09.03 | Zenom | lol |
| 23:09.51 | AckisWork | omg things are shitting all over themselves |
| 23:09.57 | ckknight | (P.S. it did) |
| 23:10.08 | Vangual | nods |
| 23:10.31 | Vangual | ah there we go |
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| 23:13.13 | ckknight | it makes no sense why an insert into one table would cause a select from a completely unrelated, unconnected table to stall |
| 23:13.38 | AckisWork | gnomes |
| 23:13.45 | ckknight | quite |
| 23:13.54 | Zenom | evil gnomes |
| 23:14.13 | Zenom | Horde should have evil gnomes. |
| 23:14.16 | Zenom | That would rule. |
| 23:15.03 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:15.10 | trh | ckknight: what dbms? |
| 23:15.16 | ckknight | MySQL 5.0 |
| 23:16.08 | trh | oh well.. with mysql everything is possible :) |
| 23:16.16 | AckisWork | anyone know the project name for fubar mail fu? |
| 23:16.47 | ckknight | fu-bar_mail-fu |
| 23:16.49 | ckknight | probably |
| 23:17.29 | AckisWork | victory |
| 23:18.00 | ckknight | ~x en de dumb |
| 23:18.56 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/projects/test-alpha/localization/ |
| 23:19.20 | AckisWork | import function? ;) |
| 23:19.32 | ckknight | not yet |
| 23:19.35 | ckknight | wanna write one ;-) |
| 23:19.37 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:19.38 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:19.50 | AckisWork | while (1) fork() end |
| 23:20.16 | ckknight | hrm, this never refers to the project you're localizing... |
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| 23:22.36 | AckisWork | @project curseforge |
| 23:22.37 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/. CurseForge.com. Kaelten (Manager/Author), ckknight (Author), Ackis (Ticket Manager). Updated: 260 days ago. Tickets: 213/1004 |
| 23:22.57 | Fisker- | see what i did Ackis :3 |
| 23:23.03 | Fisker- | http://i43.tinypic.com/2rztc74.jpg |
| 23:23.20 | AckisWork | no? |
| 23:23.25 | Fisker- | do it |
| 23:24.20 | Fisker- | paladins need to be buffed |
| 23:24.38 | Fisker- | Totally lame |
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| 23:25.16 | Zyndrome | u r |
| 23:25.35 | Fisker- | nah |
| 23:25.42 | Fisker- | I met this Druid, Shaman and Rogue (Rogue was 73) |
| 23:26.09 | Fisker- | and i took the rogue 3 times and the shaman 2 times before i took the druid |
| 23:26.12 | Fisker- | i clearly need a buff |
| 23:27.39 | Zenom | lol i feel for you |
| 23:30.09 | robotusch | :D |
| 23:30.34 | robotusch | I lol'd at the guild chat |
| 23:31.51 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4880 Northrend/Malygos.lua: BigWigs: Northrend/Malygos: |
| 23:31.53 | Repo | - Fix Overload |
| 23:34.00 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r13 / (2 files in 2 directories): v1.0.2 release |
| 23:37.34 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach 04v1.0.1.1 * r14 : delete |
| 23:41.21 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach 04r6 * r15 : delete |
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| 23:44.29 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r16 Locales/enUS.lua: minor changes |
| 23:45.19 | Repo | 10nauticus: 03Drool * r117 / (4 files in 1 directory): - fix flickering mini-map icons caused in r114 |
| 23:45.21 | Repo | - replace internal name labels with id's (legacy data in saved vars will be converted over but don't go back to previous revisions else you'll lose transport data) |
| 23:49.57 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r17 Locales/enUS.lua: why is this messed up? |
| 23:51.13 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r18 Locales/enUS.lua: why is this messed up? |
| 23:55.52 | Repo | 10shoutout: 03Toirealach * r19 / (3 files in 2 directories): V1.0.2 r1 |
| 23:58.01 | ckknight | hey all, who wants to help test the localization app? |
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| 23:59.27 | Repo | 10eggtimer: 03jokeyrhyme * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): EggTimer: |
| 23:59.30 | Repo | Initial import |
