| 00:00.13 | rapidgame | im still confused as to what next( table ) actually checks, but i'll look it up on lua users ;-) |
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| 00:00.40 | Greltok | http://www.lua.org/pil/7.3.html |
| 00:00.40 | taleden | its not designed as a check, its supposed to let you iterate over arrays which aren't numeric |
| 00:00.56 | Greltok | (that's from lua 5.0, but it's the same). |
| 00:00.57 | taleden | so in your {val1=1,val2=2} how do you list the table's contents if you don't know what the keys are? next() does it |
| 00:01.15 | Greltok | nex() is the primitive that pairs() is built upon. |
| 00:01.37 | taleden | it's not defined what order you get the keys back in, but if next(table) returns nil, then you know table is empty, hence greltok using it as a check here |
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| 00:02.50 | rapidgame | okay, thanks guys! I get it now :-) |
| 00:03.21 | Greltok | rapidgame: One other thing - in your sample, you had: table = { val1 = 0, val2 = nil } |
| 00:03.28 | Greltok | Table contains 1 element, not 2. |
| 00:04.40 | rapidgame | because val2 is nil? |
| 00:05.06 | Greltok | Yes. |
| 00:05.26 | Greltok | Assigning the value for a key to nil is a common way of removing it. |
| 00:05.53 | rapidgame | sweet! |
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| 00:10.16 | rapidgame | is it possible to use table.insert on a table that isn't numerically indexed? |
| 00:10.21 | Greltok | No. |
| 00:10.27 | rapidgame | lol, thought so |
| 00:10.31 | Greltok | But you don't need it. |
| 00:10.36 | taleden | wouldn't it just insert the element at 1? |
| 00:10.40 | taleden | and leave the non-numeric keys alone? |
| 00:10.46 | Greltok | Well, true. |
| 00:11.11 | Greltok | It would probably find the first empty integer index. |
| 00:11.59 | Greltok | rapidgame: just jam the new value in. |
| 00:12.09 | Greltok | table.val3 = "bacon" |
| 00:12.12 | Greltok | Or whatever. |
| 00:12.27 | Greltok | Or table["val3"] = "bacon" |
| 00:13.15 | rapidgame | can i do table[myindexvar].key = "bacon" ? to create an indexed table? |
| 00:13.44 | Greltok | myindexvar is the key. |
| 00:14.03 | Greltok | Are you trying to mix indexed with non-indexed? |
| 00:14.20 | rapidgame | yep, i want to put a non indexed inside an indexed lol |
| 00:14.50 | Greltok | You can certainly do that, but # and ipairs() won't know about it. |
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| 00:14.51 | rapidgame | so have it like table[1].myName |
| 00:14.59 | rapidgame | is that even possible? |
| 00:15.03 | Greltok | Yeah. |
| 00:15.11 | Greltok | That would be a nested table. |
| 00:15.24 | Greltok | You'd have to: |
| 00:15.26 | rapidgame | and i could then to #table, right? |
| 00:15.28 | Greltok | table[1] = {} |
| 00:15.36 | Greltok | Sure. |
| 00:15.37 | rapidgame | oh, set it up first? |
| 00:15.53 | Greltok | If you don't, then you'll try to table access nil, and it will throw an exception |
| 00:16.05 | rapidgame | thank you so much, off to test it! |
| 00:17.38 | Torhal | rapidgame: You could have two tables. One indexed, one not, and have the non-indexed reference the indexed by value. |
| 00:17.59 | Torhal | But I'm probably just going to confuse you with everything else that was just piled on. |
| 00:19.21 | rapidgame | well, i might paste in the code @ paste.wowace because it's already pretty confusing for me haha, im trying to use the code from AckisRecipeList to make a scrollframe |
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| 00:24.09 | rapidgame | http://paste.wowace.com/191/ - its pretty messy, really a copy/paste hack job from AckisRecipeList into my own, trying to mod it to get it to work... |
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| 00:25.49 | Greltok | rapidgame: Where I said "table[1] = {}" above, you'll actually want to use table.insert( table, {} ) to ensure the internal count is correct. |
| 00:26.44 | rapidgame | okay, anything else in that code - i can't pinpoint why it isn't displaying the scrollframe, it was working fine until i changed the format of the table... |
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| 00:28.37 | rapidgame | oh, and the missing commas from the tracking table aren't actually missing, just put them in as a dummy. |
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| 00:32.38 | Mikk | ~wowalert |
| 00:32.39 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 00:33.17 | Greltok | Try changing LootDisplayStrings[insertIndex] = {} to table.insert( LootDisplayStrings, {} ) |
| 00:35.42 | rapidgame | Greltok: yeah, i already made that change - not in the paste though, however is hasn't made much difference... |
| 00:35.47 | Greltok | rapidgame : And lootListButton[i] = Temp_Loot |
| 00:38.21 | rapidgame | what should that line say? you talking about line 67? |
| 00:38.25 | Greltok | rapidgame: You'll also need to make sure lootListButton and LootDisplayStrings get cleared on multiple calls to ShowLootFrame() |
| 00:38.34 | Greltok | Yeah. |
| 00:39.32 | rapidgame | so i need to do local LootDisplayStrings = nil then after that local LootDisplayStrings = {} |
| 00:39.35 | Greltok | rapidgame: Basically, if you're going to add and remove things from an indexed table, you should generally go through the table functions. Otherwise, the internal count won't be properly maintained. |
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| 00:39.59 | Greltok | rapidgame: huh? |
| 00:40.14 | rapidgame | for clearing the tables? |
| 00:40.26 | Greltok | That will destroy the table, not clear it. |
| 00:40.43 | rapidgame | my table = {} then? |
| 00:40.52 | ckknight | that destroys and makes a new table |
| 00:40.56 | ckknight | well, not destroy |
| 00:40.57 | ckknight | throw away |
| 00:41.00 | Greltok | ^ |
| 00:41.12 | ckknight | example: |
| 00:41.17 | Greltok | It will be gc'd, if there are no other references. |
| 00:41.23 | ckknight | lua> local t = {}; print(t); t = {}; print(t); t = {}; print(t) |
| 00:41.23 | lua_bot | ckknight: table: 0x809f8c8, table: 0x809f918, table: 0x809f988 |
| 00:41.29 | ckknight | see, 3 separate tables, rapidgame |
| 00:41.32 | ckknight | same t |
| 00:41.57 | Greltok | for k in pairs( t ) do t[k] = nil end |
| 00:42.07 | Greltok | Is a common way of clearing a table. |
| 00:42.11 | ckknight | use wipe |
| 00:42.14 | rapidgame | ckk: okay thnx. gc'd? |
| 00:42.17 | ckknight | it's a Blizzardism, but it's really fast |
| 00:42.20 | ckknight | rapidgame: eventually. |
| 00:42.22 | Greltok | wipe? |
| 00:42.22 | rapidgame | Greltok: gc'd? |
| 00:42.26 | ckknight | wipe(t) |
| 00:42.31 | Greltok | garbage collected. |
| 00:42.42 | Greltok | Hm. Thanks, ckknight. Didn't know about that. |
| 00:43.10 | ckknight | garbage collection checks to see if an object is referenced anywhere, if it is, leaves it be, if it isn't, it reclaims memory, rapidgame |
| 00:43.19 | taleden | wipe(t) doesn't gc the table, does it? i thought it just cleaned the contents, but left t a valid table (i.e. t={}) |
| 00:43.28 | ckknight | no, taleden |
| 00:43.30 | ckknight | just clears contents |
| 00:43.34 | taleden | k |
| 00:43.43 | ckknight | you can't enforce a manual GC of a single object |
| 00:43.51 | Greltok | So it's basically for k in pairs( t ) do t[k] = nil end, but implemented in C. |
| 00:43.54 | ckknight | (I say object instead of table since it applies to strings, tables, and userdata) |
| 00:43.55 | taleden | well, you can manually invoke the gc :) |
| 00:43.57 | ckknight | yes, Greltok |
| 00:43.57 | taleden | but there's no reason to |
| 00:44.06 | ckknight | taleden: there's reason not to |
| 00:44.08 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 00:44.12 | rapidgame | hmm, so wipe(t), t= {} or for k i pairs(t) ?? |
| 00:44.17 | ckknight | wipe |
| 00:44.20 | ckknight | as I said |
| 00:44.23 | rapidgame | cool |
| 00:44.25 | Greltok | Listen to ckknight. He is our lord and master. |
| 00:44.26 | ckknight | trust my word, rapidgame |
| 00:44.34 | rapidgame | i do haha |
| 00:44.38 | ckknight | for I shall never leave your side |
| 00:44.44 | rapidgame | ;-) |
| 00:44.46 | ckknight | and in the times that are tough, I shall carry you through them |
| 00:44.50 | ckknight | ...unless you're really heavy |
| 00:44.58 | rapidgame | well, your pretty light |
| 00:45.00 | ckknight | at which point, I shall use a wheelbarrow |
| 00:45.07 | ulic | will you fold my fitted sheets? |
| 00:45.07 | rapidgame | s/your/you're/ |
| 00:45.21 | ckknight | ulic: no, but you may fold mine |
| 00:46.28 | Greltok | rapidgame: In any event, put a wipe( lootListButton) wipe( LootDisplayStrings ) at the top of ShowLootFrame(). |
| 00:46.32 | rapidgame | Greltok: so should i change line 67 or leave it @ lootListButton[i] = Temp_Loot - was a bit confused |
| 00:46.42 | rapidgame | Greltok: already done ;-) |
| 00:46.46 | Greltok | rapidgame: And in fact, I would refactor that code out of that function. |
| 00:46.51 | Xinhuan | sigh, why is everyone making "random mount" addons |
| 00:46.58 | Xinhuan | there's 2 new ones on wowace's approval list |
| 00:47.25 | rapidgame | "refactor that code out of that function" - where should i put it, before the call? |
| 00:47.34 | Greltok | rapidgame: If you don't change line 67, then you will build an indexed table. However, the internal counter in the table won't reflect the actual size. |
| 00:47.52 | ulic | Xinhuan: I'm gonna write a random random mount addon |
| 00:48.02 | Greltok | rapidgame: So # lootListButton (among other things) may not work. |
| 00:48.03 | ulic | an addon that uses a random "random mount" addon. |
| 00:48.14 | ulic | then we'll be in business. |
| 00:48.30 | Greltok | rapidgame: 67: table.insert( lootListButton, Temp_Loot ) |
| 00:48.52 | Greltok | Oh/ |
| 00:48.52 | rapidgame | sooo... lootListButton[i] = Temp_Loot[i] ? |
| 00:48.59 | rapidgame | Greltok: oh... |
| 00:49.08 | Greltok | local Temp_Loot = nil, local Temp_Loot = Create... |
| 00:49.17 | Greltok | That's two definitions. |
| 00:49.22 | Greltok | Remove the first one. |
| 00:49.33 | rapidgame | kk |
| 00:50.01 | Greltok | "sooo... lootListButton[i] = Temp_Loot[i] ?" - no. |
| 00:50.12 | Greltok | table.insert( lootListButton, Temp_Loot ) |
| 00:50.28 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/autocombatlog/. AutoCombatLog. Skeggiold (Manager/Author). Approved by Xinhuan. |
| 00:50.35 | rapidgame | cool, typed that before i saw your response ;-) |
| 00:51.19 | Greltok | 78: for i = 1, maxVisibleLoot do lootListButton[i]:SetText("")... |
| 00:52.08 | Greltok | What if #lootListButton < maxVisibleLoot? |
| 00:52.32 | Greltok | Probably want: |
| 00:53.02 | Greltok | for i in ipairs( lootListButton ) do |
| 00:54.15 | ckknight | ...down with camelCase |
| 00:54.29 | Xinhuan | that makes it camelcase ckknight ;p |
| 00:54.37 | ckknight | lulz |
| 00:55.01 | ckknight | question: |
| 00:55.10 | ckknight | has anyone had any issues downloading zip files in the last hour or so? |
| 00:55.16 | Ackis | I'm trying to get somewhat serious feedback here |
| 00:55.30 | ckknight | Ackis: hmm? |
| 00:55.46 | rapidgame | Greltok: thanks, I've made those changes but the scrollframe still isn't showing... |
| 00:57.19 | Greltok | rapidgame: Are you sure the function is being called? ;) |
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| 00:58.34 | rapidgame | Greltok: yep, because i put some print()s in there through each section and they are all showing... |
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| 01:00.05 | Greltok | Time to sprinkle more print()s in there, and do some debugging. ;) |
| 01:00.17 | Greltok | IU code can be a bitch. |
| 01:00.30 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal * r53 Revelation.lua: |
| 01:00.34 | Repo | Added check on weapon type to disallow matching on INVTYPE_2HWEAPON for INVTYPE_WEAPONMAINHAND and INVTYPE_WEAPONOFFHAND. |
| 01:00.37 | Repo | Removed "Bracers" from equipment slot list as it is no longer needed. |
| 01:01.38 | Xinhuan | Torhal: /chuckle |
| 01:01.49 | Torhal | Xinhuan: Danke. |
| 01:01.57 | Xinhuan | while i never tested it, did 2h-weapons show up 1h enchants? |
| 01:01.58 | rapidgame | Greltok: im going to rever some sections back (git is awesome) to the way they were with the old table format and see what happenes. |
| 01:02.18 | Torhal | Xinhuan: No, because after I did my parse I checked for "string" == "string". |
| 01:02.27 | Xinhuan | i thought so |
| 01:02.29 | harl | something's blocking my gossip and quest frame of any npc to be opened. any ideas? |
| 01:02.32 | Torhal | That's why I needed "Bracers" and "Bracer". |
| 01:03.54 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal 043.0.8-1.1.5 * r54 : Tagging as 3.0.8-1.1.5 |
| 01:05.09 | Torhal | Well, I'm assuming they didn't show up because of the equality check - I never tested myself. |
| 01:05.54 | rapidgame | Greltok: Well, i put it back to the old table format and it works fine... im going to post up another paste, with both formats... |
| 01:06.07 | pompy | When that thing was found out about a priest being able to make the sartharion fight easy with drakes up... the guild that did that on my server..they got banned for 5 days, titles taken away and the person that won the twilight drake got it taken away. |
| 01:08.03 | taleden | is it normal for questhelper to be using 28mb of memory? |
| 01:08.09 | Greltok | rapidgame: sounds good. |
| 01:08.54 | Xinhuan | taleden: usually uses way more |
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| 01:12.46 | rapidgame | http://paste.wowace.com/192/ - I would like to use the second table format, since it's how the rest of my code stores the info - but i can't get it to work with Ackis's code, simply changing the for loops in ShowLootFrame switched between each table, but i need to somehow make the second for loop out put in the same format as the first. |
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| 01:13.50 | jjgh345s | hello? |
| 01:14.05 | jjgh345s | What is the best class for a blood elf? |
| 01:14.23 | NeoTron | pompy: good to hear |
| 01:14.29 | jjgh345s | ? |
| 01:14.41 | NeoTron | whatever you want to play? |
| 01:14.46 | NeoTron | there's no right answer to that question |
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| 01:14.56 | jjgh345s | um what do you tghink it is? |
| 01:15.11 | jjgh345s | hunter or paladin? |
| 01:15.26 | Torhal | Personal preference. |
| 01:15.38 | jjgh345s | I just got it |
| 01:15.38 | jjgh345s | oh |
| 01:15.38 | jjgh345s | but what is stronger? |
| 01:15.46 | Torhal | They're different. |
| 01:15.57 | Torhal | Different strengths and weaknesses. |
| 01:16.00 | Torhal | No comparing. |
| 01:17.45 | jjgh345s | um? |
| 01:18.34 | taleden | go play a hunter. |
| 01:18.44 | rapidgame | Greltok: Haha, I know its a mess - but are you able to spot anything that might fix it? |
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| 01:21.57 | Greltok | rapidgame: What does the Pillager:Print(name..number) on 67 output? |
| 01:22.14 | Arrowmaster | usually people ask what the best race for a class is, not whats the best class for a race |
| 01:22.45 | Greltok | jjgh345s: Do you want to heal, tank, or DPS? |
| 01:23.02 | Torhal | Greltok: EasyButton |
| 01:23.24 | Greltok | *grin* |
| 01:24.31 | rapidgame | Greltok: i had it there for debugging, at the moment, money0, Looted Item One3 and Looted Item 23 |
| 01:27.37 | Greltok | I don't see anything super obvious with a quick look. |
| 01:27.44 | Greltok | But I must be off. |
| 01:28.07 | Greltok | I'd throw some more print calls in to see if your data structures contain what you expect at each step. |
| 01:28.47 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: Depends on if you like... -like- the belfs so much you'll only play them |
| 01:28.58 | WobWork | Like how Tekkub will only play Tauren |
| 01:29.02 | taleden | in which case you should probably just play alliance :X |
| 01:29.11 | Tekkub | it's not an "only" |
| 01:29.29 | Tekkub | I'll play orcs, and if I'm really forced to, a troll for mage or priest |
| 01:29.30 | rapidgame | Greltok: lol, yeah - my code that im running has was more print calls, just removed them for the paste... i've be working on the all morning haha |
| 01:29.42 | Tekkub | it's just that I *try* to be beef first |
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| 01:36.27 | Hjalte | Xinhuan: I'm using the latest Recount alpha, r974, and I had no problems recording data in Naxxramas today. |
| 01:38.24 | Xinhuan | i know nobody had problems, i wonder why i have |
| 01:38.32 | Xinhuan | tried everything, even deleting SVs |
| 01:39.26 | Xinhuan | this is retarded |
| 01:39.33 | Xinhuan | alliance (me) is attacking WG fortress |
| 01:39.38 | Xinhuan | at 1 min left to win, server crashes |
| 01:39.51 | Xinhuan | after server comes back up, alliance (we) became the defenders |
| 01:40.04 | Xinhuan | and all the retards on alliance proceeds to build vehicles in the east/west shops |
| 01:40.06 | Xinhuan | and kill our own walls |
| 01:40.19 | Xinhuan | not realizing we switched from attack -> defend on the server crash |
| 01:40.25 | Hjalte | Haha, I had no idea you could do that. |
| 01:40.26 | Xinhuan | we lost in 6 min. |
| 01:41.02 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r4918 Naxxramas (3 files in 1 directory): - Changed Grobbulus Enrage from 12 to 9 minutes |
| 01:41.05 | Repo | - Minor changes for the 4 Horsemen |
| 01:41.08 | Repo | - Finished deDE translation for Thaddius |
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| 02:15.21 | doom0r | DSoP_01_Hangarmageddon(E1M1).flac <---- good stuff |
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| 02:50.20 | Zhinjio | Antiarc? |
| 02:50.38 | waallen | "Yes, I'm implying that we hope to roll back team/personal ratings back to what they were right before 3.0.8 went live. " |
| 02:50.43 | waallen | That's nice to hear! |
| 02:51.50 | Antiarc | Yes? |
| 02:59.26 | Zhinjio | waallen: blue post? |
| 02:59.39 | Zhinjio | and US + EU? or? |
| 03:00.08 | Zhinjio | oh, "hope to roll back" ... that isn't definitive. |
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| 03:00.46 | waallen | it was posted by Kalgan |
| 03:02.05 | waallen | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/11/14498233633-aj-repost-2.html there |
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| 03:14.56 | harl | damn. what's with people asking for "the best" class/race/professions/whatever.. get a brain first! |
| 03:16.24 | Hjalte | harl: A woman or a man brain? What's best? :> |
| 03:17.15 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4919 Core.lua: koKR Update |
| 03:18.14 | harl | Hjalte: lol.. good one, but as Torhal already said, it's of personal preference.. |
| 03:18.42 | harl | though i'd (personally) consider a woman's brain being better than a man's brain |
| 03:19.54 | Hjalte | harl: At least some people do some kind of search for information. If you push the buttons faster you do more dps, the rest seems to believe. |
| 03:20.53 | harl | heh. guess so. |
| 03:26.13 | doom0r | you do! |
| 03:26.36 | doom0r | my exguildies GM's brother's raid leader's girlfriend tested it |
| 03:29.09 | harl | rriight.. |
| 03:29.37 | Shefki | harl: The answer is a druid. :P |
| 03:30.35 | harl | Shefki: yea. my druid. |
| 03:32.45 | amoeba | The best class is Rogue because it's the truest test of willpower in WoW. Anyone that can stay a Rogue has the willpower to play the most useless class in the game (Rogue here), |
| 03:34.01 | Shefki | Rogue isn't useless. lol |
| 03:34.08 | harl | i'd rather want to have one of my more important wishes granted first before doing anything like that. |
| 03:34.47 | amoeba | The rare cases in which a Rogue is useful aren't cases of being useful but, rather, being used. |
| 03:34.48 | Antiarc | Just go arena and enjoy your free points |
| 03:34.52 | Antiarc | It makes being a PVE rogue tolerable |
| 03:35.03 | amoeba | Free points? |
| 03:35.04 | Antiarc | Well. When arenas are turned back on. |
| 03:35.13 | Antiarc | 41/5/25 is crazy powerful right now |
| 03:35.21 | amoeba | Yeah it is. |
| 03:35.24 | Bruners | rogues is a great class |
| 03:35.26 | amoeba | Rogue is unbelievably fun to play. |
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| 03:35.46 | harl | doesn't like rogues. or mages. |
| 03:36.21 | amoeba | You sound like a healer. |
| 03:37.18 | doom0r | rogues are not fun |
| 03:37.20 | doom0r | they're utility |
| 03:37.25 | doom0r | and currently abusable |
| 03:37.38 | amoeba | What utility are you thinking of? |
| 03:37.44 | harl | amoeba: i take that as a compliment. |
| 03:37.48 | amoeba | ;) |
| 03:38.00 | doom0r | stealth/lockpicking/sap |
| 03:38.16 | doom0r | o, and disarm trap for bwl |
| 03:38.21 | amoeba | ha! |
| 03:38.23 | amoeba | I missed that job. |
| 03:38.35 | amoeba | First time in a while I was special *swoon* |
| 03:39.08 | amoeba | Sapping in dungeons is some of the most fun a Rogue can have. |
| 03:39.41 | doom0r | we did bwl a couple weeks ago with one rogue and no one with a cloak....... |
| 03:39.49 | amoeba | Ha |
| 03:39.55 | doom0r | luckily i had extra cloaks in my old gbanks |
| 03:40.03 | amoeba | Success? |
| 03:40.05 | doom0r | and ahealer had his |
| 03:40.10 | Hjalte | doom0r: It took us a few tries before we had everyone hide behind the throne. That helped. |
| 03:40.20 | Hjalte | No-one had a cloak in our raid. |
| 03:40.26 | doom0r | fuck ya, i offtanked as a retadin, ate shadow flame and the healing debuff time |
| 03:40.47 | doom0r | Hjalte: first try, everyone but me, healer and tank hid back there |
| 03:41.19 | doom0r | i ate wing buffets on firemaw, stole the debuff heal time on ebonroc, etc |
| 03:41.31 | doom0r | would have been wipe without that, no one knew anything |
| 03:41.48 | doom0r | they panicked in the first room cause no one else knew how to control the orb ;x |
| 03:42.06 | doom0r | i love that instance |
| 03:42.24 | doom0r | when executed, it's a great run |
| 03:42.37 | harl | thinking is so hard. oh yes, it is. hmlol. |
| 03:43.06 | doom0r | people can't even handle, DON'T GO IN THE NEXT ROOM |
| 03:43.14 | doom0r | we pulled firemaw prematurely cause a huntard |
| 03:44.09 | doom0r | i'm just glad we had a tank on vent that can be told on the fly how to change his crap |
| 03:44.25 | doom0r | some people take a week's notice notarized |
| 03:45.36 | doom0r | sucked at chromaggus though, he was off vent because his wife was throwing a fit and pulled early without mana on cleansers, not having a clue how screwed he was gonna be =\ |
| 03:46.04 | doom0r | he became a dragonwyrmthing.... twice |
| 03:46.18 | Hjalte | doom0r: How many people did you have in the raid? |
| 03:46.27 | doom0r | like 15 |
| 03:46.35 | doom0r | lots of lowbies |
| 03:47.33 | doom0r | the second time he turned into it because he was still off vent and tried hitting chrom instead of dying..... |
| 03:48.06 | doom0r | protip: logging out and back in clears it currently |
| 03:52.25 | Hjalte | Is the DPS term in Recount and WWS somewhat similar? |
| 03:53.41 | Shefki | No they calculate them in fairly different ways. |
| 03:54.09 | Hjalte | Shefki: Do you know if one yields higher DPS than the other? |
| 03:54.24 | Shefki | Probably recount. |
| 03:54.42 | Shefki | Recount figures your time spent dps'ing. |
| 03:54.46 | Shefki | WWS uses the time of the fight. |
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| 03:57.01 | Hjalte | I really should be doing a WWS from Naxxramas. The only fun thing in there is comparing week to week anyway. |
| 04:04.10 | Shefki | WWS is pretty pointless now it's not maintained. |
| 04:04.13 | Shefki | Splits don't work right. |
| 04:04.17 | Shefki | There's probably other bugs. |
| 04:04.25 | Zhinjio | cries. |
| 04:04.32 | Zhinjio | I want my time back |
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| 04:23.33 | Megalon | what are they hotfixing now? eu getting restarts :o |
| 04:29.57 | Hjalte | Megalon: Didn't they say that something about hotfixing warlocks at some point? Like within a few days etc. |
| 04:30.52 | Megalon | haha, so warlock actually make portstones and don't just port someone and get a 2min cd |
| 04:31.11 | Megalon | by that they could also make northrend portstones work again on my server :O |
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| 04:35.47 | Torhal | Ackis: ping |
| 04:41.10 | Bruners | Megalon: servers back up now? |
| 04:43.45 | Xinhuan | umm |
| 04:43.45 | Xinhuan | http://wowwebstats.com/abrufijx1vlmy?s=197054-227381 |
| 04:43.54 | Xinhuan | this is from a guild on my server |
| 04:43.56 | Xinhuan | today |
| 04:44.02 | Xinhuan | or yesterday |
| 04:44.10 | Xinhuan | that warlock hotfix is umm |
| 04:44.18 | robotusch | Normal! |
| 04:44.40 | Xinhuan | doomguard did 35% of his damage |
| 04:45.08 | robotusch | xD |
| 04:45.27 | Hjalte | Xinhuan: It's wicked. The doomguard of one of our warlocks had 47k hp. |
| 04:45.58 | Bruners | Xinhuan: are you in there? |
| 04:46.01 | taleden | what do voidwalkers have? |
| 04:46.03 | Xinhuan | its not my guild |
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| 04:46.15 | Megalon | Bruners: yea was just a restart |
| 04:46.39 | Bruners | Megalon: just my server being cake then i guess |
| 04:47.37 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r24 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: - zhTW: Added new block value pattern |
| 04:49.53 | Hjalte | Megalon: Seen any changes? |
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| 05:09.35 | Bruners | stupid server not working |
| 05:10.50 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 05:39.30 | Repo | 10mountiful: 03Jomar * r35 Mountiful.lua: Mountiful: |
| 05:39.33 | Repo | - add to menu UISpecialFrames |
| 05:39.36 | Repo | - add "/mount help" command |
| 05:59.07 | Megalon | wtf |
| 05:59.10 | Megalon | another restart |
| 05:59.35 | Megalon | haha, Restart in 15 minutes |
| 05:59.44 | Megalon | 15m aka 12seconds |
| 05:59.46 | Megalon | :o |
| 06:00.04 | Bruners | my server is still not working |
| 06:00.08 | Repo | 10mountiful: 03Jomar * r36 Zones.lua: Mountiful: |
| 06:00.11 | Repo | - Add Saragosa's Landing |
| 06:00.14 | doom0r | negative |
| 06:00.18 | doom0r | working as intended |
| 06:00.38 | Bruners | my old server works just fine |
| 06:01.08 | doom0r | then why do you have a "new" server |
| 06:01.23 | Bruners | the old one sucks |
| 06:01.49 | Bruners | 11:1 alliance:horde ratio, and the borg ruining everything |
| 06:02.02 | Megalon | there it is back up again :> |
| 06:02.57 | Bruners | on top of that it was always full |
| 06:03.22 | doom0r | 11:1??? wtf, was it rp? |
| 06:03.42 | Bruners | maby not that high, but thats how it feeled :P |
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| 06:05.00 | Bruners | two guilds horde side that did anything in black temple, when we left there was only one |
| 06:06.41 | Bruners | and the borg sucked up those who didnt transfer |
| 06:09.34 | doom0r | tehy should have redfuced the open time a long time ago |
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| 06:15.14 | Bruners | im not alone! http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7700701886&sid=1 |
| 06:17.18 | doom0r | "It's fairly depressing since I was mid-rp." |
| 06:17.36 | doom0r | "It's fairly depressing that I was rp'ing." *fixed |
| 06:17.42 | Bruners | hehe |
| 06:17.51 | Trela | Role play RULES! |
| 06:18.24 | doom0r | no, there's no rp rules here |
| 06:18.55 | Torhal | doom0r: I thought the channel rule was "No RP" |
| 06:18.57 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:19.09 | Torhal | totally made that up. |
| 06:19.26 | Hirsute | note: This is *not* Goldshire |
| 06:19.48 | Torhal | It's The Den. |
| 06:20.40 | doom0r | i should transfer to an rp-pvp server so i can gank during weddings/funerals etc |
| 06:21.07 | Shefki | Then make a video and call it 3 Weddings and 3 Funerals |
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| 06:27.16 | doom0r | nah, i'd name it You Rage, You Lose |
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| 06:29.00 | Wizardling | Anyone use TipTac tooltips? |
| 06:29.04 | Wizardling | Is there a way to show NPC professions? |
| 06:30.00 | doom0r | they gave npc's professions? can you get death rayed by a mage trainer now? |
| 06:31.17 | Wizardling | I mean like Banker, baker, etc |
| 06:31.34 | doom0r | that's guild |
| 06:32.51 | Wizardling | oh, well it's not showing that |
| 06:32.55 | Wizardling | weird addon |
| 06:34.48 | Fisker- | I am the unstoppable force |
| 06:42.29 | Wizardling | Could Chatter be causing my combat log to be unlocked again after restarting WoW? |
| 06:45.43 | Fisker- | never seen it happening here |
| 06:46.10 | doom0r | maybe that noninteractive bs? |
| 06:48.38 | Fisker- | seduces doom0r :3 |
| 06:48.59 | doom0r | nope |
| 06:49.36 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 06:50.58 | Jaxon | Thrae wins for getting himself bannded from MMOIRC |
| 06:51.43 | Wizardling | god addons suck |
| 06:52.32 | Wizardling | Blizzard should just make a decent UI be default and remove addon capability. |
| 06:52.38 | Wizardling | mmm... not really |
| 06:52.45 | Jaxon | You might be preaching to the wrong channel. |
| 06:52.46 | Wizardling | but I swear they're a PITA |
| 06:52.52 | Wizardling | I may well be |
| 06:53.19 | Wizardling | I tempted to use a pre-made UI |
| 06:53.35 | Wizardling | at least I can be fairly certain that would work |
| 06:53.39 | doom0r | tend to see pebkac errors more than anything |
| 06:53.58 | Bruners | i dont have any troubles with the addons i use |
| 06:54.23 | Wizardling | wonderful - can you tell me what you use for your tootips? |
| 06:54.30 | Jaxon | TipTac |
| 06:54.31 | Bruners | tinytip |
| 06:54.35 | Wizardling | it's broken |
| 06:54.46 | Wizardling | background colours don't work |
| 06:54.47 | quiescens | moo |
| 06:54.57 | Jaxon | < doom0r> tend to see pebkac errors more than anything |
| 06:54.57 | Wizardling | and I cannot see what an NPC does |
| 06:55.04 | Wizardling | banker, baker, etc? |
| 06:55.06 | Wizardling | no way |
| 06:55.11 | Bruners | background colors and banker w/e works with tinytip |
| 06:55.25 | Wizardling | tinytip you reckon? |
| 06:55.38 | Wizardling | I suppose I can try another one |
| 06:55.58 | Arrowmaster | tinytip works fine except for the config |
| 06:56.11 | Wizardling | *sighs* |
| 06:56.17 | Wizardling | what's the issue? |
| 06:56.23 | Jaxon | Yeah, ast I checked, the config was in the lua files. |
| 06:56.28 | Bruners | i dont have any issues with the config |
| 06:56.29 | Wizardling | oh fuck |
| 06:56.32 | Wizardling | no way |
| 06:56.54 | Jaxon | Wizardling: where did you happen to download it from? |
| 06:56.57 | Bruners | simply do /tinytip and configure it |
| 06:57.02 | Wizardling | I did |
| 06:57.12 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: then you have an old version |
| 06:57.22 | Wizardling | I reset to default in case I did something wrong |
| 06:57.29 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: could be, it works so i dont care :P |
| 06:57.40 | Wizardling | still backgrounds are broken and I cannot see WTF an NPC is for |
| 06:57.53 | Wizardling | and I got it from Curse IIRC |
| 06:58.16 | Jaxon | You are doing it wrong. |
| 06:58.32 | Wizardling | ? |
| 06:58.45 | Bruners | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5096-TinyTip.html think im using this one |
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| 06:58.57 | Xinhuan | http://www.wow-achievements.com/Overall.aspx i'm 36th on nerd points in the world lol! |
| 06:59.23 | Wizardling | ... that's out of date |
| 06:59.27 | Wizardling | badly out of date |
| 06:59.34 | Xinhuan | http://www.sk-gaming.com/achievement/player/all//all/ is more out of date |
| 06:59.48 | Xinhuan | and there isn't any other site that ranks ppl by points |
| 06:59.58 | Bruners | Wizardling: and your point is? |
| 07:00.10 | Bruners | Wizardling: if it works, it works |
| 07:00.26 | Jaxon | Wizardling: out of date doesn't mean it doesn't work. The version you grabbed is half-finished. |
| 07:00.29 | Xinhuan | few free to compare nerd points on both sites ;p |
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| 07:00.59 | Wizardling | well, half finished or not it's beyond useless without being able to show WTF an NPC is for |
| 07:01.08 | Torhal | ... |
| 07:01.12 | Jaxon | Do you not understand what half finished means? |
| 07:01.29 | Torhal | My brain just vomited. |
| 07:02.06 | Wizardling | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tip-tac.aspx - no mention this isn't fit for general use |
| 07:02.07 | Bruners | WTF this alpha doesnt work 100%!!!! RAGE |
| 07:02.18 | Jaxon | That is Tip Tac |
| 07:02.20 | Jaxon | Not TinyTip |
| 07:02.31 | Jaxon | I'm using TipTac and it works great. |
| 07:02.37 | Adys | could someone link me a screenshot of the options panel in the new Launcher.exe, on Windows? |
| 07:02.40 | Wizardling | well TipTac is where I've my problem |
| 07:02.43 | Wizardling | I did say that |
| 07:02.52 | quiescens | tiptac seems to work fine? |
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| 07:03.10 | doom0r | interesting, they added new achievements |
| 07:03.14 | Wizardling | Jaxon - how did you get tooltip backgrounds and what NPCs do showing? |
| 07:03.22 | Jaxon | Wizardling: I told it to? |
| 07:03.29 | Bruners | installs tiptac |
| 07:03.34 | Wizardling | rolls eyes |
| 07:03.37 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4920 / (2 files in 1 directory): koKR Update |
| 07:03.49 | doom0r | Xinhuan: you see the new achievements? |
| 07:04.05 | Wizardling | is cowtip any easier to configure nowadays? |
| 07:04.07 | Xinhuan | yes, there's a few new ones in General |
| 07:04.28 | quiescens | I don't recall doing anything in particular for tiptac |
| 07:04.35 | Bruners | http://ui.ipwn.se/i/329.jpg |
| 07:04.39 | Bruners | seems to work perfectly fine |
| 07:04.47 | Torhal | Cowtip is unmaintained and has been rumored to enjoy eating processors whole. |
| 07:05.05 | quiescens | I liked cowtip ): |
| 07:05.08 | quiescens | moo |
| 07:05.24 | Jaxon | I don't even think I've updated TipTac in months. |
| 07:05.37 | Bruners | Wizardling: i just installed tiptac from curse and it works fine |
| 07:05.49 | Wizardling | you see what an NPC does? |
| 07:05.57 | Bruners | Wizardling: http://ui.ipwn.se/i/329.jpg |
| 07:05.58 | Torhal | Did you not look at the screenshot? |
| 07:06.01 | Wizardling | You see coloured backgrounds if enabled? |
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| 07:06.32 | Jaxon | < Jaxon> You are doing it wrong. |
| 07:06.32 | Bruners | i dont know what that means |
| 07:06.34 | Jaxon | I stand by this |
| 07:06.51 | Bruners | Wizardling: did you or did you not look at the screenshot? |
| 07:06.57 | quiescens | as far as I can tell everything works as advertised |
| 07:06.58 | Wizardling | I did just now |
| 07:06.59 | Wizardling | why? |
| 07:07.24 | quiescens | I personally just don't like some of teh layout stuff |
| 07:07.25 | quiescens | lol |
| 07:07.28 | Torhal | Bruners: You shoot me, or I shoot you? Or simultaneously? |
| 07:07.52 | Bruners | Torhal: simultaneously would work best |
| 07:08.00 | Torhal | nods sagely. |
| 07:08.09 | quiescens | it could be hard to time correctly |
| 07:08.11 | Torhal | I know! I'll just go to bed! |
| 07:08.19 | quiescens | don't jump the gun |
| 07:08.28 | Wizardling | Okay, so what other addons could be screwing with TipTac? Mobinfo? The author of TipTac says it works okay together, but that's worth trying. |
| 07:08.31 | Bruners | Wizardling: http://ui.ipwn.se/i/330.jpg better colors for you ? |
| 07:08.32 | Jaxon | Torhal, Bruners: I'll shoot you both and then use my _working_ addons to off me. |
| 07:09.00 | Wizardling | flagRSP2 affects tooltips... |
| 07:09.16 | Bruners | Wizardling: only way to do that is disabling everything but tiptac and enable them one by one and test |
| 07:09.22 | Wizardling | Bruners - yeah, I wish I had what you're seeing |
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| 07:09.46 | evl | Anyone leveled JC from scratch recently? Trying to find an updated and hopefully cost-efficient guide :P |
| 07:10.27 | Bruners | evl: best is just to make what you get from prospecting |
| 07:10.29 | quiescens | I never end up quite following the guide I try to follow |
| 07:10.38 | Xinhuan | evl: the sticky ones on Profession forums |
| 07:10.42 | Xinhuan | are the "most cost efficient" |
| 07:10.49 | Bruners | evl: hard to make a guide as its random drops, if you dont buy stuff from ah |
| 07:11.06 | evl | I have about over NINE THOUSAND GOLD so I don't really care about the cost |
| 07:11.13 | Xinhuan | the bulk of your cost will be from 1-300, around 1500-2000g |
| 07:11.21 | Xinhuan | 300-400 will cost you less than 200g |
| 07:11.23 | evl | Yeah 300+ seemed trivial |
| 07:11.43 | evl | GRrrr blizzard, JC is the new LW! |
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| 07:11.57 | Xinhuan | until patch |
| 07:12.07 | evl | We just patched, professions still broken |
| 07:12.09 | Xinhuan | we call it "flavour of the patch" |
| 07:12.10 | evl | *sadface* |
| 07:12.28 | evl | well the 3 free socket bonuses are pretty hard to beat |
| 07:12.38 | Xinhuan | just like how arena teams call group setups "flavour of the month" or fotm |
| 07:13.03 | evl | yeah I'm a rogue so I'm that flavor eeevery month ;) |
| 07:14.00 | amoeba | You all are making me think of ice cream. |
| 07:14.04 | Repo | 10autocombatlog: 03Skeggiold * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial Release |
| 07:14.52 | quiescens | flavour of the month is |
| 07:14.54 | quiescens | vanilla |
| 07:15.00 | quiescens | cookies and cream? |
| 07:15.01 | amoeba | starves |
| 07:15.04 | doom0r | .... i just looked at what flagrsp was |
| 07:15.14 | quiescens | what's a flarsp |
| 07:15.14 | doom0r | now, i'm gonna go bang my head into a wall |
| 07:15.20 | quiescens | flagrsp |
| 07:15.32 | Wizardling | RP addon |
| 07:15.57 | Wizardling | well, it's either that or MobInfo3 that's the trouble |
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| 07:16.13 | Bruners | then disable them and test... |
| 07:16.23 | Wizardling | I have |
| 07:16.25 | Wizardling | and am |
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| 07:17.12 | doom0r | what do you need mobinfo for to sit in goldshire? |
| 07:17.30 | doom0r | afks promptly |
| 07:17.55 | Wizardling | I play |
| 07:18.00 | Wizardling | don't just chat |
| 07:18.11 | Wizardling | it's MI3 at fault |
| 07:18.15 | Bruners | what is MobInfo3 doing ? |
| 07:18.55 | Wizardling | it's replacing Unit tooltip |
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| 07:26.39 | Xinhuan | i call that a "user fault" |
| 07:27.02 | Xinhuan | that doesn't warrant all the complaining in the last 30 min |
| 07:27.05 | Xinhuan | or 45 min |
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| 07:31.14 | doom0r | "tend to see pebkac errors more than anything" |
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| 07:43.21 | *** join/#wowace Srosh (n=Srosh@d019232.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:43.49 | Trell- | what would be totally awesome |
| 07:43.57 | Wizardling | Does FuBar2Broker work usually? |
| 07:43.57 | Trell- | is if there was an 'export' setting in recount |
| 07:44.28 | Trell- | that you could click, and then upload the file somewhere, your officers could download, then analyze later with an 'offline' recount gui |
| 07:44.37 | Wizardling | Xinhuan - I call it bad design. |
| 07:44.57 | Trell- | *pokes all the clever coders* |
| 07:45.15 | Wizardling | I shouldn't have to spend half an hour trying to find a conflicting addon preference |
| 07:46.17 | CIA-63 | panda: 03Tekkub 07master * r9fdb6db 10/ OptionHouse.lua : Forgot to delete the OptionHouse file - http://tinyurl.com/csmd49 |
| 07:46.18 | CIA-63 | panda: 03Tekkub 07master * rd7281cc 10/ Panda.lua : Remove some old, unused code - http://tinyurl.com/cehzyq |
| 07:46.18 | CIA-63 | panda: 03Tekkub 07master * r3860c48 10/ (9 files): Add "tabs" for each craft, reorganize panels - http://tinyurl.com/cljw3y |
| 07:46.26 | Trell- | yes I could just use WWS, but I always forget to /combatlog :( |
| 07:46.47 | doom0r | @project loggerhead |
| 07:46.48 | Repo | doom0r: http://www.wowace.com/projects/loggerhead/. LoggerHead. Game: WoW. rsmozang (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 1/4 |
| 07:46.56 | doom0r | less qq |
| 07:47.05 | Trell- | oh. |
| 07:47.12 | Trell- | doom0r, you're so clever, you're my hero! |
| 07:47.15 | Trell- | thanks :) |
| 07:49.43 | Xinhuan | you can also try that new addon |
| 07:49.49 | Xinhuan | 5[1/23 15:13:52] <Repo> 10autocombatlog: 03Skeggiold * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial Release |
| 07:49.57 | Xinhuan | uploaded a few minutes ago |
| 07:50.30 | Bruners | Wizardling: your the one trying to use two tolltip addons |
| 07:50.52 | Bruners | Wizardling: authors can't possible add support to work together with all other tooltip addons |
