IRC log for #wowace on 20090126

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`06:09.26`	`taleden`	`that's work that addons don't have to do if LUI takes care of it for them`
`06:09.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`part3 doesnt change very often though`
`06:09.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`party3`
`06:09.57`	`Xinhuan`	`does your library monitor changes of UNITIDs that no addons registered for?`
`06:10.02`	`taleden`	`no`
`06:10.19`	`taleden`	`it listens only for the events necessary for the registered unitids`
`06:10.54`	`taleden`	`and for events that implicate multiple unitids, any of those that aren't actually registered for won't be processed or cascaded to their dependant unitids`
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`06:11.23`	`taleden`	`im' sure there are slight tweaks possible in the event handling and callback mechanism for a bit of extra efficiency, but even now it stands to offer a net gain almost all the time`
`06:11.56`	`taleden`	`and if you still don't believe me about C call overheads, I invite you to install the standalone version and test it yourself :)`
`06:12.35`	`Xinhuan`	`how much faster is yourlib:Unitguid() vs UnitGUID() ?`
`06:12.49`	`taleden`	`on my machine, a little over twice as fast`
`06:13.09`	`taleden`	`i don't know how well that relationship holds on different machines and OSs`
`06:13.11`	`taleden`	`(i use linux and wine)`
`06:13.19`	`taleden`	`so more testing there would certainly be welcome`
`06:13.25`	`Xinhuan`	`lets say 10 events happen within 0.5 seconds that causes unitID changes`
`06:13.33`	`Xinhuan`	`do you perform 10 callbacks?`
`06:13.52`	`taleden`	`if there are actually 10 game events, then yes, there will be 10 callback phases`
`06:14.04`	`taleden`	`but for each one of those phases, only the unitids which actually changed identities are given to the callback functions`
`06:14.09`	`Xinhuan`	`example here, would be you joined AV and 10 others joined at the same time`
`06:14.34`	`Xinhuan`	`what if 2 events happen in the same frame`
`06:15.09`	`taleden`	`well, I guess that depends if wow's lua interpreter is single threaded`
`06:15.47`	`Xinhuan`	`it is`
`06:15.49`	`taleden`	`my understanding was that if an OnEvent script runs, it gets to run to the end before anything else gets to run`
`06:15.53`	`taleden`	`which means, no problem`
`06:16.05`	`taleden`	`by the time the second event runs it again, all the internal state is updated and current`
`06:16.09`	`taleden`	`so it doesn't matter if its the same frame`
`06:16.10`	`taleden`	`right?`
`06:16.15`	`taleden`	`or did i misunderstand your question?`
`06:16.27`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, i'm asking if you do 2 callbacks, or 1`
`06:16.34`	`taleden`	`two`
`06:16.36`	`taleden`	`one per game event`
`06:16.44`	`taleden`	`however often game events happen`
`06:16.47`	`Xinhuan`	`you should change it to perform only 1 isn't it?`
`06:17.01`	`taleden`	`depends if its really worth the complexity of bucketing I suppose`
`06:17.02`	`Xinhuan`	`that is, if 2 people joined AV at exactly the same time in the same frame`
`06:17.20`	`taleden`	`then when the first event handler runs, it will either see both unitid changes, or it will see only one`
`06:17.25`	`taleden`	`depending how that synchronization happens in the client`
`06:17.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`you see i dont consider that something that needs to be optimized`
`06:17.33`	`taleden`	`when the second handler runs, it will see whatever the first one didn't see yet`
`06:17.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`joining the group doesnt happen often`
`06:17.50`	`taleden`	`true`
`06:18.18`	`taleden`	`no, the actual performance gain is because some addons (at least, apparently, the ones I run) call UnitGUID way way more than is necessary given the number of game events`
`06:18.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`imho its far simpler to just have the addon redo all its stuff when the group changes than trying to detect the exact change and only do that`
`06:18.42`	`taleden`	`actually I think that'd be more work`
`06:18.46`	`Xinhuan`	`ok right now, what i'm seeing is, there is already a significant CPU advantage by calling UNITGUID() on your library than using the wow one right? even without using any callback features`
`06:18.51`	`taleden`	`as it is, group changes are treated no differently than any other unitid-affecting-event`
`06:19.00`	`taleden`	`adding special processing for group changes seems unnecessary`
`06:19.28`	`taleden`	`xinhuan: yes, querying the library's cache for UnitGUID is ~2x faster than the built in UnitGUID`
`06:19.45`	`Xinhuan`	`but the overhead is that your lib has to maintain a table of valid cache, correct?`
`06:19.50`	`taleden`	`yes`
`06:19.52`	`Xinhuan`	`as opposed to an addon just calling the wow one`
`06:19.57`	`taleden`	`but in my testing, its a gain`
`06:20.08`	`taleden`	`because (at least the addons I run) query UnitGUID way way way more than necessary`
`06:20.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`and the addon has to use your callbacks`
`06:20.19`	`Xinhuan`	`not for me Arrowmaster`
`06:20.30`	`taleden`	`yes, it would just register with the lib instead of with aceevent or whatever`
`06:20.40`	`taleden`	`instead of registering PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED, it registers "target" with the lib`
`06:20.53`	`Xinhuan`	`omen doesn't store a table of unitid<->guid, it just looks it up all the time per threat event`
`06:20.58`	`taleden`	`right`
`06:21.00`	`taleden`	`which is slow`
`06:21.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you are responding to an event you cannot use his libs UnitGUID because of race conditions, i ran into this with LibGUIDRegistry`
`06:21.18`	`taleden`	`no, you can if you do it right`
`06:21.27`	`Xinhuan`	`omen delays updating until the OnUpdate phase`
`06:21.28`	`taleden`	`I ran into that too when I tried to make my library intercept the global UnitGUID and respond from cache`
`06:21.33`	`taleden`	`that doesn't work because of what you just said`
`06:21.34`	`Xinhuan`	`so there will be no race conditions ;p`
`06:21.40`	`taleden`	`but so long as the addon gets the game event first, it updates itself first, then calls back`
`06:21.49`	`taleden`	`so by the time the client gets the lib's callback, the lib is current`
`06:22.12`	`taleden`	`er, so long as the lib gets the game event, I mean`
`06:22.32`	`Xinhuan`	`there's no real reason why an addon using the lib would register for the same events as the lib`
`06:22.37`	`taleden`	`right`
`06:22.40`	`taleden`	`that's the whole idea`
`06:22.41`	`taleden`	`they won't have to`
`06:22.51`	`taleden`	`there's no reason to register P_T_C or P_F_C`
`06:22.58`	`taleden`	`if you can register "target" and "focus" with the lib instead`
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`06:23.06`	`Xinhuan`	`unless you need more info`
`06:23.12`	`Repo`	`10critmiester: 03Xocide * r15 / (3 files in 2 directories):`
`06:23.12`	`Xinhuan`	`in omen's case, it registers for P_M_C`
`06:23.14`	`Repo`	`Added a Highest Non Crit display, can be hidden on the tooltip via the Crit Stats option window.`
`06:23.21`	`Xinhuan`	`because it builds a table of guid<->displayname`
`06:23.33`	`taleden`	`yes, but with the lib it could register all the party unitids`
`06:23.45`	`taleden`	`and if any of them changed -- which at least one must whenever someone joins or leaves -- it gets called back`
`06:24.02`	`Xinhuan`	`when you join a raid of 20 members, 19 P_M_C events get fired`
`06:24.07`	`[1]Skellum`	`Hrm`
`06:24.13`	`[1]Skellum`	`Whats the process to register a nick?`
`06:24.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`try /nickserv help`
`06:24.41`	`taleden`	`yes, but even if all 19 invoke callbacks from the lib, each one of those callbacks will only indicate one changed unitid`
`06:24.54`	`Xinhuan`	`not true, all unitIDs can change`
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`06:25.06`	`Xinhuan`	`because the game adds one unit at a time until the raid becomes 21 full`
`06:25.18`	`Xinhuan`	`(yes that's how it really works)`
`06:25.22`	`taleden`	`but they'll only all change if it adds them at t he bottom and shifts things up`
`06:25.29`	`Xinhuan`	`but it doesn't`
`06:25.33`	`Xinhuan`	`it can add them in front`
`06:25.39`	`Xinhuan`	`or at the back`
`06:25.41`	`Xinhuan`	`it's random`
`06:25.51`	`taleden`	`well, ok, but is that a problem?`
`06:26.04`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, i only want the final callback, not the 19 before it ;p`
`06:26.07`	`taleden`	`what I'm getting is that some kind of throttle or bucket would be nice`
`06:26.10`	`Xinhuan`	`because the 19 before it is irrelevant hehe`
`06:26.31`	`taleden`	`in a way they aren't, I think`
`06:26.34`	`taleden`	`or might not be in some tight cases`
`06:26.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is why we cant use 'for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers() do Unit*("raid"..i) end' since 2.x`
`06:26.46`	`taleden`	`i.e. if a UNIT_AURA fires in the middle of that batch of P_M_C`
`06:26.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`and always have to use for i=1,40`
`06:27.11`	`Xinhuan`	`this seems to be scenerio specific then`
`06:27.23`	`Xinhuan`	`Arrowmaster, omen uses for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers() do`
`06:27.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xinhuan: you shouldnt`
`06:27.33`	`Xinhuan`	`it does`
`06:27.39`	`Xinhuan`	`and 1 million users have found no bugs`
`06:27.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`in wow 2.x that was broken`
`06:27.41`	`taleden`	`and yet, it seems to kind of work`
`06:27.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`did they change it again?`
`06:27.56`	`Xinhuan`	`line 1415: for i = 1, GetNumRaidMembers() do`
`06:28.01`	`Xinhuan`	`lien 1422: for i = 1, GetNumPartyMembers() do`
`06:28.18`	`Zhinjio`	`I thought someone leaving could be in the middle of the raidnums (so to speak)`
`06:28.23`	`Zhinjio`	`I always looped 1..40`
`06:28.27`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah, PMC then fires Zhinjio`
`06:28.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`they could in 2.x`
`06:28.33`	`Xinhuan`	`and the holes get shifted up`
`06:28.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`they didnt get shifted in 2.x`
`06:28.44`	`Xinhuan`	`so that it is always valid in 1..N`
`06:28.54`	`Xinhuan`	`arrow, you're thinking of a different function`
`06:28.55`	`Zhinjio`	`nope, it didn't use to. it used to leave holes.`
`06:28.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`no im not`
`06:29.02`	`Zhinjio`	`and wow, how incredibly inefficient`
`06:29.08`	`Xinhuan`	`the holes one is for displaying who is in which group`
`06:29.16`	`Xinhuan`	`for example you can have 2 ppl in G1 and 3 ppl in G2`
`06:29.19`	`Xinhuan`	`hence you have 3 holes`
`06:29.46`	`Xinhuan`	`but for unitGUIDs, there is no hole`
`06:30.04`	`Xinhuan`	`the hole one is for grouping display purposes, it needs a 1-40 loop`
`06:31.27`	`Xinhuan`	`yuo're thinking of http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidRosterInfo`
`06:32.13`	`Xinhuan`	`see Details subsection`
`06:32.44`	`Xinhuan`	`this is for raid indexing, which isn't the same as UnitIDs`
`06:32.51`	`Xinhuan`	`unitIDs are always valid from 1..N`
`06:33.55`	`Xinhuan`	`raid frame addons need to use raid indexing rather than unitIDs`
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`06:36.18`	`Xinhuan`	`because only GetRaidRosterInfo() returns information about whether a player is ML/raid leader/assisatnt/etc`
`06:36.26`	`Xinhuan`	`and that's indexed 1..40`
`06:36.44`	`Xinhuan`	`i hope that clears things up!`
`06:36.51`	`taleden`	`:)`
`06:37.08`	`Zhinjio`	`it does for me.`
`06:37.13`	`Zhinjio`	`grins.`
`06:42.44`	`taleden`	`off to bed. thanks for the lively discussion folks`
`06:45.39`	`quiescens`	`moo?`
`06:47.27`	`theoddone33`	`3 drake is really frustrating`
`06:47.35`	`quiescens`	`):`
`06:47.37`	`theoddone33`	`we're up to 45 attempts or so`
`06:47.43`	`falconindy1`	`ouch, is this 10 or 25?`
`06:47.45`	`theoddone33`	`across 3 or 4 raids`
`06:47.46`	`quiescens`	`you can do it~`
`06:47.47`	`theoddone33`	`25`
`06:48.19`	`falconindy1`	`yikes`
`06:48.42`	`theoddone33`	`we have the dps/healing etc just need people to not die`
`06:48.48`	`theoddone33`	`but there's so much entropy in that fight`
`06:48.50`	`theoddone33`	`it's insane`
`06:48.50`	`falconindy1`	`i'll say this much... sarth10 with 3 drakes is hard from the start... even getting the right comp together is tough`
`06:49.24`	`theoddone33`	`yeah 10 seems harder`
`06:49.47`	`falconindy1`	`we finally got a comp together that could manage it... adding a rogue for misdirecitng adds made a huge difference`
`06:50.00`	`falconindy1`	`25 tends to be about people not standing in fire`
`06:50.12`	`theoddone33`	`yeah`
`06:50.29`	`theoddone33`	`void zones kill us, fire walls kill us, adds kill us, breaths kill us, pulling aggro kills us, etc`
`06:50.34`	`theoddone33`	`every fight it's something different and stupid`
`06:50.44`	`falconindy1`	`ew, that's frustrating`
`06:51.07`	`theoddone33`	`we're getting pretty close though`
`06:51.24`	`theoddone33`	`like we do better every raid night we try it`
`06:51.39`	`falconindy1`	`well that's good!`
`06:52.07`	`theoddone33`	`we were hoping for horde first and that went away 2 resets ago`
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`06:52.25`	`theoddone33`	`but we've been 2 weeks behind everyone from the start anyway`
`06:52.43`	`theoddone33`	`had to absorb another small guild to do 25 mans`
`06:54.55`	`ckknight`	`the white man is in danger.`
`06:54.57`	`ckknight`	`that is all.`
`06:58.44`	`quiescens`	`hostile takeover`
`07:00.39`	`quiescens`	`hmms`
`07:01.34`	`Groktar`	`2800dps as fury. /flex`
`07:01.36`	`Groktar`	`http://wowwebstats.com/roa4htpsznxia?s=126849-153350`
`07:01.54`	`quiescens`	`does pitbull 4 have an option to hide the party in raids yet`
`07:03.31`	`quiescens`	`oh wells`
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`07:17.08`	`Torhal`	`Zhinjio: Feh.`
`07:17.12`	`Torhal`	`Just because.`
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`07:21.17`	`the-golem_`	`Groktar: 10kcrit? nice`
`07:26.54`	`Zhinjio`	`Torhal: back atcha`
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`07:39.43`	`fatbrain`	`Anyone know what happened to to GetTradeSkillItemStats?`
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`07:57.55`	`Repo`	`- Anub'Rekhan: Fix engagewarn`
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`07:59.57`	`Maelos`	`Im still getting raid warnings spamming me on sartharion`
`08:00.09`	`Maelos`	`At this point I'd be happy with anything which blocked them completely`
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`08:13.31`	`Torhal`	`!api GetTradeSkillItemStats`
`08:13.31`	`lua_bot`	`Could not find a match for 'GetTradeSkillItemStats'.`
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`08:26.18`	`doom0r`	`Maelos: turn the channel off?`
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`08:26.32`	`doom0r`	`er, message setting`
`08:26.35`	`doom0r`	`per channel`
`08:27.38`	`Maelos`	`Right but how do I turn off the one popping up in the middle of the screen?`
`08:27.41`	`Maelos`	`is that a channel also?`
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`08:28.05`	`Kivin`	`Is there any way to make the colour of my bars in PitBull 4 brighter for the missing section (say, on a half full bar) than the full colour?`
`08:28.35`	`Repo`	`10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r219 / (2 files in 1 directory): Stop using svn:externals and use .pkgmeta properly.`
`08:29.20`	`fatbrain`	`Torhal: They removed it, but there doesn't seem to be a replacement for it :S. I used to to determine if an item was BoP or BoE.`
`08:30.15`	`Shefki`	`fatbrain: Removed what?`
`08:30.41`	`fatbrain`	`Shefki: The GetTradeSkillItemStats api`
`08:31.12`	`doom0r`	`Maelos: the built in messages they have now? like the stock warnings?`
`08:33.52`	`Maelos`	`yes built in ones`
`08:33.54`	`Maelos`	`I dont want them`
`08:34.28`	`doom0r`	`i'm not aware of any way to do that`
`08:35.27`	`doom0r`	`unless those are part of boss emote`
`08:35.30`	`doom0r`	`have you tried that?`
`08:35.33`	`Maelos`	`they are part of boss emotes`
`08:37.33`	`Repo`	`10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r220 .pkgmeta: Move folders to allow for real LoD.`
`08:38.43`	`CIA-35`	`tourguide: 03Tekkub 07refs/tags/3.0.3.46-Beta * r86b35be 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Weekly build 3.0.3.46-Beta - http://tinyurl.com/braxw8`
`08:38.43`	`CIA-35`	`tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * rf04f122 10/ TourGuide_Alliance/75_77_ZulDrak.lua : Ally ZD tweak - http://tinyurl.com/dhte96`
`08:38.44`	`CIA-35`	`tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * rd646928 10/ changelog.txt : Update changelog for 3.0.3.46-Beta - http://tinyurl.com/asfka5`
`08:38.45`	`CIA-35`	`tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * r86b35be 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Weekly build 3.0.3.46-Beta - http://tinyurl.com/braxw8`
`08:38.48`	`CIA-35`	`tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * r423499c 10/ : Merge commit '3.0.3.46-Beta' - http://tinyurl.com/d799nr`
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`08:39.18`	`Repo`	`d646928: Update changelog for 3.0.3.46-Beta`
`08:39.32`	`Repo`	`f04f122: Ally ZD tweak`
`08:39.36`	`Repo`	`10tourguide: 03Tekkub 043.0.3.46-Beta * 75f8172 /: [new tag] Weekly build`
`08:39.40`	`Repo`	`10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r221 .pkgmeta: Use the proper source path for the modules.`
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`08:44.13`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`08:44.23`	`Zhinjio`	`kgpanels is actually a pretty nice tool for doing UI mockups`
`08:44.35`	`doom0r`	`has plenty of uses`
`08:44.40`	`Zhinjio`	`nods.`
`08:44.47`	`Zhinjio`	`not that I don't already use it for my UI`
`08:44.51`	`doom0r`	`i use a whole screen white at background level to place things with Align without having color issues`
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`08:50.27`	`Repo`	`10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki * r222 AuldLangSyne.toc: Update interface number to 30000.`
`08:54.10`	`Repo`	`10auldlangsyne: 03Shefki 04v3.0.8.0 * r223 : Tag v3.0.8.0`
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`08:57.22`	`Zhinjio`	`can you have kgpanels use one of blizz's defualt graphics?`
`08:57.32`	`Zhinjio`	`I"m trying to add one and it doesn't seem to be working`
`08:58.07`	`Zhinjio`	`example: Interface\\Icons\\INV_Misc_Note_04`
`08:58.11`	`Zhinjio`	`for example`
`09:02.48`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: apparently either something affected it, or someone changed it, and didn't change the tooltip`
`09:02.54`	`doom0r`	`don't escape`
`09:02.56`	`doom0r`	`use literal`
`09:03.10`	`doom0r`	`Interface\Icons\INV_Misc_Note_04`
`09:03.19`	`Zhinjio`	`ok`
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`09:03.50`	`Zhinjio`	`perfect`
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`09:08.18`	`nevcairiel`	`morning`
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`09:09.16`	`doom0r`	`hands nevcairiel an 800 calorie pure sugar frosting coated doughnut`
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`09:09.55`	`nevcairiel`	`no sugar in the morning`
`09:10.27`	`doom0r`	`sugar, caffeine, and nictotine`
`09:11.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont even drink coffee`
`09:12.30`	`fatbrain`	`Anyone know how to determine if an itemlink is BoP or BoE?`
`09:12.45`	`doom0r`	`you don't want my answer`
`09:12.46`	`doom0r`	`;x`
`09:12.59`	`nevcairiel`	`tooltip scanning`
`09:13.24`	`fatbrain`	`its for trade-skills, so there wont be a tooltip?`
`09:14.40`	`Repo`	`New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/aemotesgag/. AEmotes_gag. Smythies (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.`
`09:14.58`	`doom0r`	`fatbrain: what do you mean?`
`09:15.03`	`Repo`	`New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/wowunit/. WoWUnit. feithar (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.`
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`09:15.20`	`Torhal`	`fatbrain: Get the item the skill makes then scan its tooltip.`
`09:15.21`	`doom0r`	`if you have [Engineering: Adamantite Rifle] you see Reagents, and the item`
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`09:16.18`	`fatbrain`	`Torhal: will try and do that, thanks`
`09:17.26`	`doom0r`	`i though the item is included in the crafting tooltip`
`09:17.35`	`doom0r`	`i see, unless somethings adding it`
`09:17.40`	`doom0r`	`i see it*`
`09:18.18`	`Torhal`	`GameTooltip:SetHyperlink(itemID)`
`09:19.51`	`Torhal`	`s/itemID/itemLink\|itemString/`
`09:20.57`	`Fisker-`	`yo dawgs`
`09:21.52`	`Kalroth`	`I put a Fisker in your Fisker so you could Fisker while you Fisker`
`09:22.48`	`doom0r`	`Kalroth: you can't Fisker- during Fisker- or you'll end up having to Fisker-`
`09:25.29`	`Fisker-`	`>*`
`09:25.32`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`09:27.14`	`haste`	`so much talk about fishing!`
`09:27.58`	`NeoTron`	`man did an alt naxx with a healer (main not an alt) that basically died from everything possible`
`09:28.17`	`NeoTron`	`he even failed Gluth by falling through the hole in the tunnel on the "pull"`
`09:28.35`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
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`09:33.05`	`Fisker-`	`haste my archnemesis`
`09:33.20`	`Groktar`	`wishes he could replace all his haste with armor pen`
`09:33.43`	`doom0r`	`you still want crap?`
`09:34.18`	`Groktar`	`meh, i'm already at 40% crit`
`09:34.25`	`Groktar`	`and close to 4k ap`
`09:34.28`	`Fisker-`	`i crit your mom last night`
`09:34.31`	`Fisker-`	`HOOOOOOOOOOOOO`
`09:34.58`	`Kalroth`	`I got 4300 ap and 37.5% crit unbuffed, I want more of both!`
`09:35.04`	`Groktar`	`hehe`
`09:35.11`	`Zhinjio`	`its good to want things`
`09:35.19`	`Kalroth`	`AP just scales so well in raids`
`09:35.30`	`Groktar`	`blasts some Dora the Explorer over vent`
`09:35.33`	`Fisker-`	`wat class Kalroth _`
`09:35.35`	`Fisker-`	`?`
`09:35.36`	`Kalroth`	`warrior`
`09:35.41`	`Fisker-`	`ah`
`09:36.15`	`Groktar`	`well, there has to be a point where arp is better than ap`
`09:36.23`	`Fisker-`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin <-wtb moar expertise`
`09:36.42`	`Groktar`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Groktar`
`09:36.57`	`Kalroth`	`Groktar: Yup, but it's so high that you don't need to worry abou tit`
`09:37.01`	`Kalroth`	`about it*`
`09:37.25`	`Kalroth`	`however arpen comes fairly easily on current gear`
`09:37.33`	`Groktar`	`i also have a nobles deck in my bank`
`09:37.37`	`Kalroth`	`I think I got like 12% without trying`
`09:37.39`	`Kalroth`	`yeah, same ;)`
`09:37.43`	`Fisker-`	`FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Groktar`
`09:37.44`	`Fisker-`	`giev`
`09:37.53`	`Kalroth`	`well I got it on me, not in the bank, but still!`
`09:37.56`	`Groktar`	`it took a lot of work fisker`
`09:38.07`	`Fisker-`	`Waiting for prices to go down`
`09:38.10`	`Groktar`	`i did dailies every days for 7 days`
`09:38.18`	`Groktar`	`spent it all on herbs`
`09:38.35`	`Groktar`	`put up 2 of every northrend glyph every day`
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`09:39.51`	`Groktar`	`i'd go from like 3k to 40 gold every day`
`09:39.53`	`Groktar`	`hehe`
`09:42.20`	`Fisker-`	`:E`
`09:42.28`	`Fisker-`	`my crafs suck`
`09:42.35`	`Fisker-`	`i should almost go JC`
`09:42.44`	`Fisker-`	`but now i already spent money on tailoring mount :P`
`09:43.01`	`Fisker-`	`wtb 3 professison slots`
`09:43.03`	`Fisker-`	`or 4`
`09:43.20`	`Groktar`	`i <3 making the icy prisms`
`09:43.29`	`Fisker-`	`fu`
`09:43.42`	`Groktar`	`yesterday i got 2 red gems and a dragon's eye`
`09:43.46`	`Fisker-`	`Some idiot in our guild told me "she tested it and it had no cooldowns"`
`09:43.48`	`Groktar`	`and a crappy forest emerald`
`09:43.55`	`Fisker-`	`So i had a lot of orbs and bought some gems`
`09:44.00`	`Fisker-`	`Then it had 20 hours CD`
`09:44.12`	`Groktar`	`she`
`09:44.12`	`Fisker-`	`And now she won't do the rest because i got a dragons eye`
`09:44.15`	`Fisker-`	`FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU`
`09:44.19`	`Groktar`	`there's yer problem`
`09:44.22`	`Fisker-`	`yes`
`09:46.34`	`Groktar`	`ok, so here's the playlist i'm going to leave blaring in the main vent channel for the day or so: somebody's watching me, the marriage of figuro, renegade, and low`
`09:48.23`	`Groktar`	`night muffin`
`09:48.30`	`Groktar`	`let's see if i'm banned when i wake up`
`09:48.47`	`nevcairiel`	`i can do that, if you want`
`09:48.52`	`Groktar`	`lol`
`09:49.00`	`Groktar`	`i meant from my guild's vent`
`09:49.21`	`nevcairiel`	`i didnt really pay attention`
`09:49.54`	`Groktar`	`heh`
`09:50.14`	`Fisker-`	`i got B& from wow`
`09:50.16`	`Fisker-`	`but i showed them`
`09:50.18`	`Groktar`	`i guess i could play the battlestar galactica season 1-3 soundtracks, too`
`09:50.36`	`Groktar`	`see if they could figure that one out`
`09:50.43`	`Groktar`	`shit sounds weird by itself`
`09:51.01`	`Fisker-`	`they toook an achievement in my achievement but i still had the achievement for the achievement in an achievement so now i can get the achievement without getting the achievement in the achievement`
`09:51.37`	`sb\|work`	`hm`
`09:51.49`	`sb\|work`	`and i cant get brewfest achievement because of fucking brew of the month :o`
`09:52.00`	`Fisker-`	`i lol'd`
`09:52.22`	`Fisker-`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin -> World Events -> Hallowed is thy name`
`09:52.22`	`Fisker-`	`:DD`
`09:52.33`	`sb\|work`	`cheater`
`09:52.37`	`Fisker-`	`nope`
`09:52.46`	`Fisker-`	`Blizzard failed.. twice`
`09:52.51`	`sb\|work`	`i know... :/`
`09:52.52`	`Fisker-`	`well actually like 3 times now`
`09:52.54`	`sb\|work`	`but not for me`
`09:53.27`	`Fisker-`	`Well getting extra candy corn is hardcore exploitation`
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`09:53.54`	`Fisker-`	`as opposed to arena and honor exploits requiring the shutdown of realms to apply emergency hotfixes etc.`
`09:53.56`	`Megalon`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=Zoltan`
`09:54.02`	`Megalon`	`7585 achievements points, wtf :c`
`09:54.16`	`haste`	`D:`
`09:54.21`	`Kalroth`	`l2p`
`09:54.23`	`Xinhuan`	`i have 6970, world 64th`
`09:54.27`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`09:54.33`	`Groktar`	`boggle`
`09:55.11`	`Fisker-`	`only got like 5600 myself :E`
`09:55.22`	`Groktar`	`i just broke 3k yesterday`
`09:55.22`	`Fisker-`	`But i'm no achievement hunter`
`09:55.44`	`Shefki`	`I'm at 5970`
`09:55.44`	`Groktar`	`i`
`09:55.51`	`Groktar`	`i'm really irritated about the whole thing`
`09:56.05`	`Shefki`	`But I didn't start playing until after TBC started, so I'm missing a lot of old stuff.`
`09:56.07`	`Groktar`	`since a lot of them are doing stuff over from 4 years ago`
`09:56.10`	`Groktar`	`so yeah, fuck that`
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`09:56.22`	`Shefki`	`Ohh and I don't really PVP.`
`09:56.37`	`Shefki`	`Actually I did but arena ratings on everything kinda ruined it for me.`
`09:56.59`	`Repo`	`10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm * r22 / (4 files in 1 directory): MorgBid2`
`09:57.02`	`Repo`	`-fix bidtooltip test frame not disappearing`
`09:57.05`	`Repo`	`-fix empty tooltips by adding a server lookup`
`09:57.08`	`Repo`	`-added Q system to hopefully fix results frames not receiving results (ie results come before result tip up)`
`09:57.24`	`many`	`seriously, that guy has no real life`
`09:57.36`	`many`	`(:`
`09:57.39`	`Xinhuan`	`arena is kinda stupid now, every game win 4 points lose 15`
`09:57.55`	`Shefki`	`Yeah I heard about that.`
`09:58.02`	`many`	`got the impression they want a much lower avg score for arena`
`09:58.11`	`Xinhuan`	`played 30 games, every team we got matched against was 100-150 TR below ours`
`09:58.13`	`Shefki`	`I think the arena system makes almost zero sense. It's all about trying to measure player skill and not about fun.`
`09:58.28`	`Xinhuan`	`yes we armoried them`
`09:58.52`	`nevcairiel`	`TR isnt everything`
`09:58.57`	`nevcairiel`	`hidden and personal rating, too`
`09:59.12`	`Xinhuan`	`well you are implying our hidden rating is lower than the team rating`
`09:59.24`	`Xinhuan`	`which doesn't make much sense at all`
`09:59.26`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe theirs is higher`
`09:59.26`	`Wraithan`	`Eh, half the players were mad because rating meant nothing`
`09:59.47`	`Wraithan`	`now it means something and other people are mad`
`09:59.53`	`Xinhuan`	`my team's 1700 why do we get matched against 1550 teams for 30 games`
`09:59.56`	`Wraithan`	`personally I say bag arena`
`10:00.02`	`Wraithan`	`it is trash`
`10:00.07`	`Xinhuan`	`if we win, we win 4 points, if we lose we lose 10 or so`
`10:00.12`	`Xinhuan`	`makes no sense`
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`10:00.34`	`many`	`i thought they'd be getting the same amount currently`
`10:00.36`	`Shefki`	`Wraithan: I agree.`
`10:00.40`	`many`	`its not as if points are "swapped"`
`10:01.27`	`Xinhuan`	`there is a case, where we played against the same team twice - we first lost to them, we lost 10, they gained 18... then we won them, we won 6, they lost 10`
`10:01.29`	`Xinhuan`	`explain that`
`10:02.26`	`Groktar`	`*beat`
`10:02.32`	`Groktar`	`won implies possession`
`10:03.31`	`Repo`	`10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): Broker_ChannelWatch`
`10:03.34`	`Repo`	`-added updating after people join/leave watched channels`
`10:03.37`	`Repo`	`-fixed timer handlers`
`10:03.39`	`Wraithan`	`Also, if you are higher rating and someone lower than you beat you then you should lose more points, and not gain as many for beating them, and if a team that is lower beats a team that is higher they should get more points and lose less if they lose`
`10:03.40`	`Shefki`	`I don't know I just find a hard time understanding why Blizzard finds PVE hardly being a measure of player skill and moving more and more towards easy mode...`
`10:03.51`	`Shefki`	`While pushing PVP more and more towards skill is everything.`
`10:04.00`	`doom0r`	`??`
`10:04.18`	`doom0r`	`you find a basic business model hard to understand?`
`10:04.19`	`nevcairiel`	`pvp should always be skill`
`10:04.20`	`Wraithan`	`Seriously PVE this expansion has been easy mode.`
`10:04.33`	`nevcairiel`	`because you play against other players`
`10:04.37`	`nevcairiel`	`if not measured by skill`
`10:04.40`	`nevcairiel`	`what else?`
`10:04.45`	`nevcairiel`	`luck?`
`10:04.48`	`nevcairiel`	`against other players? :P`
`10:04.57`	`Shefki`	`nevcairiel: Players can make their own skill measure metrics. They already do with PVE.`
`10:05.17`	`Shefki`	`nevcairiel: Blizzard needs to provide a fun enviornment. Not hand us a bunch of metrics that we won't accept anyway.`
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`10:05.37`	`Shefki`	`People that want to measure and be competitive can do that. Just make data on wins and losses available.`
`10:05.38`	`nevcairiel`	`arena is esports, not fun`
`10:05.52`	`Shefki`	`Let sites like arenajunkies figure out how to measure and rank teams.`
`10:06.00`	`nevcairiel`	`if you play arena "for fun", dont expect to win`
`10:06.17`	`Wraithan`	`< would like an arena for fun`
`10:06.25`	`Shefki`	`nevcairiel: It's not fun being a punching bag for other people all the time.`
`10:06.34`	`doom0r`	`it's already there`
`10:06.36`	`doom0r`	`join a skirmish`
`10:06.42`	`Wraithan`	`hah.`
`10:06.44`	`Shefki`	`doom0r: Impossible.`
`10:06.47`	`Shefki`	`Nobody skirmishes.`
`10:07.14`	`doom0r`	`you kidding?`
`10:07.14`	`Shefki`	`Have you ever tried to queue for it.`
`10:07.14`	`Shefki`	`Takes forever.`
`10:07.14`	`doom0r`	`wtf you playing on? latin america?`
`10:07.26`	`Shefki`	`US`
`10:07.46`	`Shefki`	`Skirmish is completely unused on this battlegroup. You could spend an hour and finally end up with one person on the other side.`
`10:08.48`	`Repo`	`10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm 04v1.2 * r8 : Tagging as v1.2`
`10:09.19`	`Trell-`	`what was the name of that auto combat logger`
`10:09.28`	`doom0r`	`loggerhead`
`10:09.29`	`Repo`	`10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm 04v2.5 * r23 : Tagging as v2.5`
`10:09.49`	`Trell-`	`cheers doom0r`
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`10:33.08`	`doom0r`	`44 quests into borean tundra and still no damn mh/1h sword`
`10:33.13`	`doom0r`	`wtf is that`
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`10:46.53`	`doom0r`	`anyone else notice issues with chat bubbles?`
`10:47.06`	`doom0r`	`i keep seeing them half off screen, or outta my mouth instead of the npc`
`10:47.45`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I get them too doom0r`
`10:48.01`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, I get that`
`10:48.03`	`Antiarc`	`Very irritating`
`10:48.14`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I turned them off :3`
`10:48.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`10:49.01`	`nevcairiel`	`chat bubbles are irritating to begin with`
`10:49.02`	`nevcairiel`	`imho`
`10:49.30`	`doom0r`	`for my limited interaction with others ingame`
`10:49.35`	`doom0r`	`i find them quite usefull`
`10:50.42`	`Niwa`	`hi, could someone please explain how to do variable arguments in lua? the example from the lua reference on lua site doesn't seem to work (in wow)`
`10:50.57`	`Niwa`	`http://paste.wowace.com/204/ <- doesn't work`
`10:51.08`	`nevcairiel`	`I'm quite positive the lua reference is right`
`10:51.29`	`nevcairiel`	`you seem to be reading an old reference :P`
`10:51.38`	`Niwa`	`nevcairiel: yup, probably`
`10:51.45`	`Niwa`	`did they rename 'arg'?`
`10:51.56`	`Niwa`	`seems to be a nil value`
`10:52.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow has never had an 'arg'`
`10:52.28`	`doom0r`	`heh`
`10:52.46`	`doom0r`	`arg is an example`
`10:52.51`	`doom0r`	`arg should be YOUR table`
`10:53.17`	`nevcairiel`	`http://paste.wowace.com/205/`
`10:53.36`	`Niwa`	`ah, doh >.<`
`10:53.56`	`Niwa`	`nevcairiel: thanks ^^`
`10:54.02`	`many`	`duh.`
`10:55.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think you were looking at a lua 5.0 reference, and it would have been 'args' not 'arg'`
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`10:55.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`and netsplits on very large irc networks are annoying, it lags my client`
`10:56.29`	`Niwa`	`Arrowmaster: yeah, though I tried 'args' and '...' as well, with the same results`
`10:56.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow is lua 5.1 now so 'args' wouldnt have worked`
`10:57.02`	`Niwa`	`Arrowmaster: yeah :/`
`10:57.22`	`Repo`	`10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.6.1-beta-2-g685ff11 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fix some typos.`
`10:58.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: 'Lower Blackrock Spire' is not the proper zone name fyi, so it doesnt get detected and checked off automaticly when you enter`
`10:59.02`	`EthanCentaurai`	`what is the proper zone name?`
`10:59.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: maybe you want to make it 'Blackrock Spire' with a note that its Lower Blackrock Spire`
`10:59.08`	`nevcairiel`	`Blackrock Spire`
`10:59.13`	`nevcairiel`	`without lower`
`10:59.17`	`EthanCentaurai`	`ok, thanks`
`10:59.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`upper and lower are both inside the same instance`
`10:59.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`its just which direction you go`
`10:59.43`	`EthanCentaurai`	`really needs to do some more instances...`
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`11:00.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`and maybe its not a good idea to have the instances in the middle of the list for northrend`
`11:00.22`	`many`	`heh`
`11:00.26`	`doom0r`	`i said that ~12 hours ago ;x`
`11:00.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`since afaik you have to check off the instances for TG to keep marking the next one in TomTom`
`11:00.49`	`doom0r`	`yup`
`11:01.00`	`doom0r`	`tg needs a skip ability`
`11:01.10`	`many`	`so needs QH.`
`11:01.16`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah i did all the instances with some guild group before i did the northrend guide`
`11:01.21`	`Repo`	`10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1874 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: Fixed a typo`
`11:01.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: how far into HoS is the elder?`
`11:02.21`	`Repo`	`10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.6.1-beta-3-g6d81e11 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fix Lower Blackrock Spire -> Blackrock Spire.`
`11:02.25`	`nevcairiel`	`Arrowmaster: on the way to that gruul boss`
`11:02.36`	`Fisker-`	`threatens with slavery and death`
`11:02.38`	`nevcairiel`	`that stone guy`
`11:02.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok so no soloing that one`
`11:03.05`	`nevcairiel`	`if you're a rogue or druid with stealth you probably could`
`11:03.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`are there any northrend ones that could be soloed?`
`11:03.15`	`many`	`neither pinnacle nor gundrak can be solo'd`
`11:03.27`	`nevcairiel`	`gundrak requires heroic and actually killing one boss`
`11:03.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`already did gundrak`
`11:03.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`didnt know that though`
`11:03.53`	`many`	`wanna pug w/ me :-/`
`11:03.59`	`nevcairiel`	`draktharon can be solo'ed by stealthy people`
`11:04.03`	`nuoHep`	`pinacle, AN and gundrak are not soloable`
`11:04.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`i did keep and i dont think its soloable`
`11:04.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`maybe by a stalther`
`11:04.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`stealther`
`11:04.41`	`nevcairiel`	`nexus can probably be soloed by anyone who can solo the mobs in there`
`11:04.47`	`nevcairiel`	`ferals, DKs`
`11:04.51`	`nevcairiel`	`pallys maybe`
`11:05.06`	`Wraithan`	`normal mode?`
`11:05.08`	`EthanCentaurai`	`which of the bosses in Gundrak needs to be pwned?`
`11:05.09`	`nevcairiel`	`ya`
`11:05.14`	`Wraithan`	`Shaman's can solo them too`
`11:05.25`	`Wraithan`	`if they are careful and use their wolves right`
`11:05.30`	`Wraithan`	`enh shaman that is`
`11:05.40`	`nevcairiel`	`EthanCentaurai: moorabi`
`11:05.47`	`EthanCentaurai`	`thanks`
`11:05.56`	`EthanCentaurai`	`adds that to TG_LF aswell`
`11:06.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`is that a heroic only boss or something? why do you have to do it on heroic?`
`11:06.20`	`nevcairiel`	`Because the elder is in the part where that egg boss is`
`11:06.20`	`many`	`AN wasnt soloable because you need to tear down a spiderwall... or something?`
`11:06.25`	`Stanzilla`	`the way to Eck only opens on heroic`
`11:06.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: you reverted my commit.....`
`11:06.39`	`EthanCentaurai`	`did I?`
`11:06.40`	`doom0r`	`arg works in interpreter in 5.1`
`11:06.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: yes you did`
`11:06.46`	`doom0r`	`it seems just wow doesn't have it`
`11:06.56`	`nuoHep`	`the elder in AN is after Hadronos`
`11:07.01`	`EthanCentaurai`	`...how did I do that? :/`
`11:07.06`	`EthanCentaurai`	`which one have I borked?`
`11:07.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont know`
`11:07.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`look at gitk`
`11:07.26`	`nevcairiel`	`doom0r: you probably compiled your interpreter with compat mode`
`11:07.53`	`doom0r`	`didn't compile it`
`11:08.00`	`Repo`	`10skg: 03Zhinjio 06brqtip * r131 / (5 files in 1 directory): SKG :`
`11:08.01`	`doom0r`	`prebuilt`
`11:08.03`	`Repo`	`- first frame stuff`
`11:08.07`	`nevcairiel`	`point is still the same`
`11:08.11`	`nevcairiel`	`only that someone else did it .P`
`11:08.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: i dont know how you did that without noticing it`
`11:08.32`	`digmouse`	`@project brqtip`
`11:08.33`	`Repo`	`digmouse: No project found that matches 'brqtip'`
`11:08.35`	`doom0r`	`possibly, got the one from luaforge`
`11:08.41`	`digmouse`	`what is that`
`11:08.46`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why you don't commit on the same branch in git with multiple people`
`11:08.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`he didnt cause a merge commit though`
`11:09.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`so i assumed he pulled before working on it`
`11:09.20`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I didn't know you commited to it :3`
`11:09.32`	`nevcairiel`	`repo didnt announce any forced commit`
`11:09.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`my commit is there just he reverted the changes in his commit`
`11:11.08`	`EthanCentaurai`	`OK what I did was... clone the repo, fix a few typos, commit, push. I didn't notice any other changes in the diff before I pushed`
`11:11.16`	`Repo`	`10track-o-matique: 03Anyia3 * r58 / (2 files in 1 directory): * Lazy tracking updates for 3.0.8 mechanics.`
`11:11.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`11:11.30`	`nevcairiel`	`he probably did a clone of your copy, then c/p'ed a file in`
`11:11.32`	`nevcairiel`	`and commited it`
`11:11.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`11:12.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: i commited a "Temple of Atal'Hakkar" -> "The Temple of Atal'Hakkar" fix`
`11:12.28`	`nevcairiel`	`QGit just allows you to drag a commit to the top and its reapplyed`
`11:12.31`	`nevcairiel`	`awesome feature`
`11:12.32`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`11:13.02`	`Repo`	`10track-o-matique: 03Anyia3 042.7 * r59 : Tagging as 2.7`
`11:14.35`	`Repo`	`10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.6.1-beta-4-gfd7ec60 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Recommit Arrowmaster's "Temple of Atal'Hakkar -> The Temple of Atal'Hakkar" fix, after I accidentally reverted his change.`
`11:14.59`	`EthanCentaurai`	`copy pasta is bad`
`11:15.14`	`nevcairiel`	`especially if you already use a VCS`
`11:15.51`	`doom0r`	`...`
`11:15.59`	`EthanCentaurai`	`what's a VCS?`
`11:16.00`	`doom0r`	`editinplaceftw`
`11:16.04`	`doom0r`	`;x`
`11:16.10`	`Fisker-`	`http://anandtech.com/GalleryImage.aspx?id=5603 <-makin mah case`
`11:16.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`VCS = Version Control System`
`11:16.32`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I would edit in place if MacGit allowed me to push from everywhere on my Mac, rather than just /Applications/ :(`
`11:16.33`	`Fisker-`	`WoW + Remote Desktop doesn't fly btw`
`11:17.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats weird...`
`11:17.08`	`*** join/#wowace ibns (n=chatzill@pool-162-149-197-89.dbd-ipconnect.net)`
`11:17.27`	`EthanCentaurai`	`not even Terminal will let me :/`
`11:17.29`	`Fisker-`	`on the contrary`
`11:21.07`	`*** part/#wowace ibns (n=chatzill@pool-162-149-197-89.dbd-ipconnect.net)`
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`11:24.34`	`Repo`	`10revelation: 03Torhal * r60 Revelation.lua: Added detailed tooltips for items/enchants.`
`11:26.19`	`Niwa`	`"Lua, like all other programming languages, executes expressions from left to right starting from the innermost parenthesis to the outermost."`
`11:26.35`	`Niwa`	`uhm, talk about generalization >_>`
`11:26.53`	`Niwa`	`there are several languages that read right->left`
`11:27.36`	`doom0r`	`that's just fail`
`11:27.36`	`Zao`	`zipWith (+) (f x y) $ [1..4] ++ [3]`
`11:28.11`	`vhaarr`	`Niwa: there are languages that parse expressions RTL?`
`11:28.47`	`Niwa`	`vhaarr: dunno about parsing, but they execute the reverse from lua at least`
`11:29.14`	`vhaarr`	`Niwa: so \|if x or y then\|, y would be evaluated first`
`11:29.19`	`Zao`	`Haskell has left, right and no fixity for infix operators.`
`11:29.48`	`Niwa`	`Zao: well, some languages are just bloated ;p`
`11:30.21`	`vhaarr`	`seems rather useless`
`11:30.31`	`Niwa`	`5 2 + 3 * == (* 3 (+ 5 2))`
`11:30.41`	`Niwa`	`first is joy, second is lisp'ish`
`11:31.03`	`Niwa`	`joy = postfix notation, lisp=prefix`
`11:31.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok lets change that to 'like all other sane programming languages'`
`11:31.29`	`Zao`	`Hey! :P`
`11:31.39`	`Niwa`	`Umh, lisp is not sane?`
`11:31.53`	`Niwa`	`you mean, all other c-derived imperative languages, I suppose`
`11:32.04`	`thul`	`http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/god-v-satan.png`
`11:32.20`	`nevcairiel`	`lua isnt c derived`
`11:32.30`	`vhaarr`	`lisp is only considered sane by those who know how to parse it by heart`
`11:32.34`	`Niwa`	`thul: lol, that's just so true`
`11:32.54`	`Niwa`	`yeah, I agree, lisp has an icky (non)-syntax, I don't really use it myself`
`11:33.14`	`Niwa`	`nevcairiel: well, kinda... just mix in some smalltalk as well (a neat language btw)`
`11:33.21`	`Fisker-`	`we really should sexually harass nevcairiel`
`11:33.36`	`nevcairiel`	`there is a article on the lua page where they explain how it was created`
`11:33.43`	`Fisker-`	`THAT COLOR LOOKS NICE ON YOU`
`11:35.56`	`nevcairiel`	`but the imperative design has been around before c, too :)`
`11:36.06`	`Niwa`	`nevcairiel: can you link it? I'm a bit curious, but what I meant wasn't really c == lusa, but rather that lua is far more "c'ish" than certain other (useful & powerful) languages`
`11:36.14`	`Niwa`	`*lua`
`11:36.53`	`krka`	`lua is mostly closely related to scheme, afaik`
`11:37.19`	`nevcairiel`	`http://www.lua.org/history.html`
`11:37.22`	`Niwa`	`sure, and nothing wrong with imperative programming, all (reasonable) languages have their place`
`11:37.28`	`Niwa`	`nev: thanks`
`11:37.42`	`Repo`	`10fu-bar_raid-save-fu: 03jokeyrhyme 07nextgen * r7 / (2 files in 2 directories): - many bugfixes`
`11:37.43`	`Fisker-`	`LUA's Used as an Acronym`
`11:37.45`	`Repo`	`- TODO minor bug with column alignment`
`11:37.45`	`nevcairiel`	`they stole concepts from alot of languages from that area :)`
`11:37.47`	`Repo`	`- TODO configuration needs lots of rework`
`11:37.49`	`Niwa`	`(* 3 (+ 5 2)) would be scheme >_>`
`11:38.06`	`Niwa`	`but yeah, lots of concepts exists in lua`
`11:38.11`	`Niwa`	`from scheme I mean`
`11:38.41`	`Fisker-`	`prove me wrong`
`11:39.35`	`*** kick/#wowace [Fisker-!i=nevcairi@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/nevcairiel] by nevcairiel (You're wrong)`
`11:39.39`	`*** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)`
`11:39.41`	`Fisker-`	`nahuh`
`11:40.16`	`fatbrain`	`On an EditBox,do I have to use SetWidth? When I try SetPoint the box doesn't even show.`
`11:40.37`	`Niwa`	`Fisker-: from the Lua page "Lua" (pronounced LOO-ah) means "Moon" in Portuguese. As such, it is neither an acronym nor an abbreviation, but a noun.`
`11:40.37`	`nevcairiel`	`depends how you setpoint it`
`11:40.51`	`nevcairiel`	`we all know that, Fisker- is just trolling`
`11:41.23`	`doom0r`	`Fisker-: 1 Niwa: 0 /facepalm`
`11:41.43`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway, back to my studys`
`11:41.49`	`Niwa`	`doom0r: have to agree on this one >.<`
`11:41.57`	`Repo`	`10broker_uberinventory: 03S1nless * r19 / (9 files in 4 directories): ExaileBroker 1.1`
`11:42.00`	`Repo`	`Add Translation (enUS, deDE, frFR, esES)`
`11:42.10`	`Fisker-`	`hahahhaa`
`11:42.20`	`Fisker-`	`someone seeking game programmers`
`11:42.23`	`Fisker-`	`must know C# or Java`
`11:42.27`	`Fisker-`	`i lol'd`
`11:42.28`	`Fisker-`	`HARD`
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`11:42.54`	`nevcairiel`	`i lol at anyone requiring a certain language to be known`
`11:43.04`	`Niwa`	`java would make sense if it were a cellphone game`
`11:43.05`	`Fisker-`	`:o?`
`11:43.05`	`nevcairiel`	`learning languages is hard, ya know`
`11:43.34`	`Fisker-`	`Yeah Niwa`
`11:43.50`	`[fd]`	`Seeking game programmers, must know prolog!`
`11:43.55`	`Fisker-`	`but making games in C#`
`11:43.55`	`nevcairiel`	`If someone asks you if you can code, and you answer with a set of languages you know, you fail :P`
`11:43.55`	`Fisker-`	`>O`
`11:44.19`	`[fd]`	`Yeah, you should answer in binary`
`11:44.25`	`Wraithan`	`Fisker-: Isn't XNA written with C# in mind?`
`11:44.25`	`doom0r`	`any languages named no?`
`11:44.27`	`Torhal`	`Person1: "Can you code?"`
`11:44.35`	`Torhal`	`Person2: "Yah, I know French and German."`
`11:44.40`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`11:44.47`	`Niwa`	`prolog (or derivates) is great for some purposes (problems needing backtracking etc.)`
`11:44.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`i only interpreted languages though`
`11:45.09`	`nevcairiel`	`Any good programmer can easily learn a new language in a pretty short time`
`11:45.21`	`Wraithan`	`I learned perl in a day for a job`
`11:45.26`	`Wraithan`	`blech`
`11:45.33`	`Niwa`	`well, I dunno. take malbolge for example`
`11:45.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: i doubt i could learn C in a short time`
`11:45.56`	`nevcairiel`	`C is something anyone should know anyway`
`11:45.58`	`nevcairiel`	`but thats just me`
`11:45.58`	`Niwa`	`2 years before anyone wrote a non-trivial language in it, and the it was computer-generated >_>`
`11:45.59`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`11:46.01`	`[fd]`	`Malbolge is speshul`
`11:46.05`	`Repo`	`10cartographer: 03AbydosLanti * r2295 Cartographer_InstanceMaps/Data.lua: Instance map updates for 3.0.8`
`11:46.40`	`nevcairiel`	`Knowing C teaches you alot about low-lvl memory stuff you should just know`
`11:46.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`there were instance map changes in 3.0.8?`
`11:46.52`	`nevcairiel`	`even if you only work in high-level languages like Java`
`11:46.55`	`Niwa`	`hmm, I kinda agree: to learn a language is easy, to learn to use it well is hard`
`11:47.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`but i dont wana program in C`
`11:47.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`you have to do everything`
`11:47.18`	`doom0r`	`Arrowmaster: lacks updates for a few instances since wrath iirc`
`11:47.24`	`Niwa`	`ironically, most of my productive work has been in c++`
`11:47.33`	`Niwa`	`...and I hate it`
`11:47.40`	`doom0r`	`let alone none of the bosses were listed`
`11:48.02`	`Torhal`	`Meh. Sleep.`
`11:48.37`	`Niwa`	`and besides, I never "learned" lua, I just looked at the code and got started (which is why I screw up badly sometimes, but still)`
`11:48.52`	`[fd]`	`My most productive work has been in Ruby, but no one lets me program that for a living here.`
`11:49.15`	`vhaarr`	`learning the syntax is never a problem, the problem is always learning the standard libraries`
`11:49.25`	`nevcairiel`	`"Learn at least one new language every Year!" .. good advice if you want to be serious about coding .. you learn new concepts that you can even use in your working-language :)`
`11:49.26`	`vhaarr`	`especially with things like ruby`
`11:49.28`	`Niwa`	`vhaarr: agree`
`11:49.37`	`vhaarr`	`where the "standard library" is a piece of shit`
`11:49.43`	`[fd]`	`nev: You pragmatist you`
`11:49.52`	`nevcairiel`	`meh i like the book`
`11:49.52`	`Wraithan`	`at work most of my productive coding has been in AHK`
`11:50.01`	`Niwa`	`autohotkey?`
`11:50.03`	`Wraithan`	`yeah`
`11:50.10`	`Niwa`	`^^`
`11:50.28`	`Wraithan`	`have a couple thousand lines of it lol`
`11:50.45`	`Niwa`	`I completly redid the windows interface with AHK + docks, window handlers, widgets etc ;)`
`11:50.46`	`[fd]`	`Ruby's standard library beats the crap outta Java's. But I guess that's not herd.`
`11:50.52`	`[fd]`	`s/herd/hard/`
`11:51.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just dont like java which is why im purposefully avoiding it`
`11:51.41`	`Niwa`	`hmm, I just kept to python. ruby truly seems superior, but python doesn't really require learning`
`11:51.46`	`Pneumatus`	`i dunno, there's a standard library in java that will basically do anything you want :o`
`11:51.54`	`nevcairiel`	`for some reason i didnt like ruby`
`11:52.00`	`nevcairiel`	`so i'm sticking to python too`
`11:52.05`	`vhaarr`	`[fd]: in functionality perhaps, but not consistency or ease-of-use`
`11:52.06`	`[fd]`	`Ruby and Python seems pretty similar concept-wise`
`11:52.26`	`Wraithan`	`Same, I used perl for several years, learned python and never wanted to learn another scripting langauge`
`11:52.27`	`nevcairiel`	`ruby grew too fast, imho`
`11:52.30`	`Wraithan`	`it does everything I want it to`
`11:52.31`	`[fd]`	`vharr: I disagree, but I guess its a personal thing`
`11:52.32`	`vhaarr`	`indeed it did`
`11:52.58`	`Wraithan`	`Yeah, Ruby was cool over night, and I wasn't sure why`
`11:53.06`	`nevcairiel`	`because of rails`
`11:53.09`	`doom0r`	`guido's a pimp`
`11:53.21`	`nevcairiel`	`And personally, i dislike big frameworks like rails anyway`
`11:53.22`	`[fd]`	`Ruby got cool when rails appeared, but it was around years before that`
`11:54.06`	`Wraithan`	`shrug not a linguistics major, just a plain old coder`
`11:54.22`	`Pneumatus`	`java took so long catching up with concepts like Generics though, which should have been in from the start`
`11:54.35`	`nevcairiel`	`generics implementation in java is shit too`
`11:54.35`	`Wraithan`	`Java I learned for job also`
`11:54.41`	`Niwa`	`python = pure, simple imperative scripting at it's core`
`11:55.01`	`[fd]`	`Well, learn concepts not languages anyway :D`
`11:55.15`	`Wraithan`	`Niwa: with the ability to program functionally or object orientedly`
`11:55.16`	`thul`	`I hate concepts.`
`11:55.17`	`Niwa`	`there are better/more powerful languages but ease of use wins for me`
`11:55.31`	`Niwa`	`Wraithan: indeed`
`11:55.34`	`[fd]`	`Ease of use is subjective`
`11:56.04`	`Wraithan`	`[fd]: agreed, and python seems to win out for ease of use in this conversation`
`11:56.09`	`Niwa`	`then, number of concepts and number of construct, which is not subjective`
`11:56.20`	`Wraithan`	`though I have friends that would tell you there is not much easier than programming in ruby`
`11:56.56`	`Niwa`	`actually I kinda agree - I think ruby would be easier once I knew it`
`11:57.13`	`Niwa`	`but it just feels like a bother`
`11:57.15`	`nevcairiel`	`they probably use rails and think its all rubys doing, the whole automagic`
`11:57.19`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`11:57.48`	`[fd]`	`The thing that annoys me about ruby is debugging and the annoying corner cases.`
`11:57.56`	`[fd]`	`Other than that, it's pretty nice.`
`11:58.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive been learning ruby and like it, although i havent really done anything big beside scripting stuff`
`11:58.54`	`Niwa`	`Arrowmaster: that's almost what they are most useful for`
`11:59.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`although ive ran into problems from being on a windows computer`
`11:59.14`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe i'll bother to look at ruby again sometime, but right now i need to work with Oberon for a university paper <.<`
`11:59.24`	`Niwa`	`before python, I usually did tedious task by hand because it would be still worse to code them :/`
`11:59.32`	`Wraithan`	`I enjoyed using C# for writing AI stuff when I used to cheat in EQ`
`11:59.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`people still played EQ when C# came out?`
`12:00.01`	`Wraithan`	`<`
`12:00.05`	`[fd]`	`I'm learning Haskell at the moment as my language for this year. Next year: Eiffel. So much to learn.`
`12:00.14`	`Niwa`	`somehow it feels weird that microsoft is a major player in programming languages :/`
`12:00.16`	`Wraithan`	`[fd]: haskell is fun!`
`12:00.37`	`Niwa`	`haskell is win, but complicated if you come from an imperative background`
`12:00.42`	`Wraithan`	`[fd]: though a real mindfuck if you have never used functional programming`
`12:00.45`	`nevcairiel`	`i've had to learn the haskell data/type syntax for our software design class, because our professor insisted on defining his data structures in haskell`
`12:00.48`	`nevcairiel`	`no actual code, though`
`12:00.49`	`[fd]`	`Wraithan: It reminds me of my Mathematics degree`
`12:01.04`	`[fd]`	`Looks lovely and clean.`
`12:01.37`	`Wraithan`	`still getting used to Lua`
`12:01.46`	`Wraithan`	`HATE that 0 == true`
`12:01.59`	`Wraithan`	`has messed me up more than any other part of Lua`
`12:02.07`	`Niwa`	`() == small`
`12:02.08`	`[fd]`	`lambda calculus <3`
`12:02.10`	`nevcairiel`	`~= is evil :P`
`12:02.10`	`purl`	`nevcairiel: what are you talking about?`
`12:02.23`	`[fd]`	`hehe`
`12:02.23`	`Niwa`	`or rather "[] \| 0 \| 1" == small"`
`12:02.26`	`EthanCentaurai`	`haha`
`12:02.47`	`Niwa`	`combinatorial logic <3`
`12:02.48`	`nevcairiel`	`oh hey purl is purl again`
`12:02.49`	`[fd]`	`Anyway, I'm late for stuff. cya`
`12:03.10`	`nevcairiel`	`~wave purl`
`12:03.10`	`purl`	`Bye, purl`
`12:03.15`	`nevcairiel`	`huh`
`12:03.20`	`many`	`~shake purl`
`12:03.20`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes purl vigorously and hangs him out to dry`
`12:03.41`	`many`	`DRY purl. hm.`
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`12:03.51`	`nevcairiel`	`~~~~`
`12:03.52`	`purl`	`ARGH!!! STOP IT nevcairiel!!!`
`12:04.20`	`krka`	`<@nevcairiel> Any good programmer can easily learn a new language in a pretty short time <-- it depends on what languages you already know, and how much the new language differs from those`
`12:04.31`	`nevcairiel`	`of course`
`12:04.38`	`nevcairiel`	`if you've never doen anythign functional`
`12:04.44`	`nevcairiel`	`it can be hard to learn a functional language`
`12:04.44`	`krka`	`going from c to haskell would probably a pain for many`
`12:04.46`	`nevcairiel`	`etc`
`12:04.58`	`many`	`lol. they havent updated armory with 3.0.8 items`
`12:05.00`	`many`	`http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Forscherliga&n=Ukeer`
`12:05.00`	`Repo`	`10critmiester: 03Xocide * r16 Critmeister.lua:`
`12:05.03`	`Repo`	`Added the ability to set where Crit Record Messages are posted via LibSink, this is separate from the Crit Messages output.`
`12:05.04`	`many`	`THERE IS NO BOOTS`
`12:05.10`	`Niwa`	`knowing eg. java and learning haskell might actually be worse than not knowing programming at all`
`12:05.27`	`krka`	`also, if you really want to a learn a language, write a virtual machine for it :)`
`12:05.27`	`nevcairiel`	`or if you know C by ehart, but never done OOP, try grasping java`
`12:05.40`	`Niwa`	`lot's of same terminology for different things :/`
`12:06.28`	`Niwa`	`nevcairiel: though, if you might have done pseudo-OOP in C ;)`
`12:06.33`	`Niwa`	`*you might`
`12:06.43`	`Niwa`	`krka: that gives me an idea......`
`12:06.52`	`nevcairiel`	`that probably ends up in very ugly java code then :P`
`12:06.55`	`Niwa`	`goes of to implement Joy in WoW`
`12:07.32`	`Niwa`	`well, yeah :p`
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`12:07.55`	`Niwa`	`actually, starts preparing for school :(`
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`12:08.13`	`nevcairiel`	`java beginners are fun, writing all static methods and doing it imperative 0P`
`12:08.20`	`Megalon`	`joy.. always remembers me of Joy of Painting :O`
`12:08.50`	`doom0r`	`o god, the bearded dude that always freakin drew trees?`
`12:09.08`	`Megalon`	`bob ross is the man`
`12:09.19`	`Megalon`	`with his happy little accidents`
`12:09.29`	`doom0r`	`freakin wackjob`
`12:10.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive never learned java or many other languages so i dont even understand some of the terminology you guys are using`
`12:10.24`	`Xinhuan`	`~framexml`
`12:10.25`	`purl`	`Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/`
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`12:11.04`	`Xinhuan`	`wow wowcompares doesn't have 3.0.8 yet`
`12:11.26`	`Niwa`	`OH THE JOY OF JOY`
`12:12.12`	`Niwa`	`Arrowmaster: meh, terminology is just a pain anyway`
`12:12.29`	`doom0r`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lurt5FosdB4`
`12:12.39`	`Niwa`	`and c++ where you can (and should) throw 'const' absolutly everywhere shudder`
`12:12.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`now where do i go in nexus for this elder`
`12:13.00`	`Elkano`	`<3 11[Stinker]`
`12:13.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`Elkano: old`
`12:13.08`	`doom0r`	`go into the keri room, take a right`
`12:13.17`	`doom0r`	`follow that to the boss`
`12:13.33`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah its next to that giant`
`12:14.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`i found a tree`
`12:14.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`do i have to kill it`
`12:14.47`	`doom0r`	`you can go past everything`
`12:14.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`wait i have killrog i can scout`
`12:14.57`	`doom0r`	`just kill the shit on the ground so they don't aggro`
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`12:16.12`	`Xinhuan`	`GOLD_AMOUNT_TEXTURE = "%d\124TInterface\\MoneyFrame\\UI-GoldIcon:%d:%d:2:0\124t";`
`12:16.24`	`Xinhuan`	`so this global string exists, but i don't see any framexml file using it`
`12:16.31`	`Xinhuan`	`or am i mistaken`
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`12:17.26`	`Zhinjio`	`can some please pastey me the conversion from hex to rgba color. my head hurts`
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`12:19.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`tonumber(d,16)/255`
`12:19.30`	`chexsum`	`libcrayon`
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`12:21.04`	`Fisker-`	`what the shit`
`12:22.53`	`Zhinjio`	`and you can pick out the pieces using a pattern, to really get funky.`
`12:22.54`	`Zhinjio`	`I think`
`12:23.00`	`Zhinjio`	`or maybe thats the opposite conversion`
`12:23.12`	`Zhinjio`	`makes lua_bot his bitch`
`12:26.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes nexus down`
`12:27.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`dont know how the fuck i didnt aggro anything but those annoying plants`
`12:27.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`and then i hellfired myself to death`
`12:27.43`	`fatbrain`	`Is there a platform-independent new-line that I can use?`
`12:27.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`\n`
`12:28.06`	`fatbrain`	`thanks`
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`12:32.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: heh TourGuide_LunarFestival says im only 75% complete when i only have 4 dungeons to go, im guessing its because halls of stone is at the 75% mark`
`12:32.44`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I guess so`
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`12:34.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`any 80 can solo nexus but i dont think any of the other northrends are soloable`
`12:34.52`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r4926 Naxxramas/Anubrekhan.lua: BigWigs: Naxx`
`12:34.55`	`Repo`	`- Anub'Rekhan: Also fix deDE engagewarn`
`12:35.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`so again they really should go at the end`
`12:36.03`	`Grum`	`lol`
`12:36.22`	`Grum`	`there is no platform independent newline :D`
`12:36.52`	`thul`	`haha, I love s01e08 of firefly, when keeley fucks the original mechanic :-D`
`12:36.53`	`thul`	`she is hot :-P`
`12:37.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`Grum: \n is about as close as you can get though`
`12:37.52`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, windows handles \n a lot better than nix handles \r\n`
`12:38.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`a lot of things even on windows just use \n`
`12:38.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`things that originate from non windows systems`
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`12:39.16`	`Grum`	`well indeed; if you want to use a newline; just insert the newline char`
`12:40.09`	`krka`	`that's the worst spelling of kaylee i've ever seen`
`12:40.37`	`krka`	`or did you confuse the name with someone else...`
`12:41.03`	`Kalroth`	`I googled and keeley is a hottie too`
`12:41.30`	`Grum`	`google would even find hot poop`
`12:42.06`	`Kalroth`	`I don't recall having wanked to poop`
`12:42.38`	`Grum`	`2girls1cup!`
`12:42.47`	`Repo`	`10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.6.1-beta-5-g8ea9733 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Rearrange Northrend portion of the guide so that instances are left to last.`
`12:42.48`	`Grum`	`i know you did, no use denying it!`
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`12:47.17`	`vrak`	`can tourguide add waypoints or map markers ?`
`12:47.51`	`Grum`	`i think with tomtom you can just click the coordinates`
`12:49.05`	`Repo`	`10classloot: 03Pneumatus * r66 ClassLoot.lua:`
`12:49.08`	`Repo`	`- Finally fix a bug with Achievement tooltip right-text not being reset`
`12:49.47`	`fatbrain`	`is there some way to "check" if the item I'm examining is an item or a spell? (tradeskill crap).`
`12:49.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`if you have TomTOm, TourGuide will automatically add everything`
`12:49.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`and remove them whe you go to the nxt step`
`12:50.47`	`vrak`	`sigh, yet another addon`
`12:50.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`?`
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`12:51.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`Why is that a bad thing, when each addon does one very specific thing you want?`
`12:52.11`	`vrak`	`i've just been trying to cut down ever so slightly on the sheer stupid number of them that i have, but alas`
`12:52.31`	`Grum`	`then you should just use the right addons for the right job .. or not want so much done in the first place :)`
`12:52.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`nod`
`12:53.05`	`Zhinjio`	`this is going to be full of fail.`
`12:53.08`	`Zhinjio`	`sighs.`
`12:53.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`it seems I have.. 56 addons installed.`
`12:53.23`	`jnwhiteh`	`some of them I no longer use and should remove imo`
`12:53.29`	`doom0r`	`seriously, something like tomtom i would count as a core tool to any ui`
`12:53.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`tho having them there hurts nothing`
`12:53.51`	`doom0r`	`56??`
`12:54.11`	`Pneumatus`	`84 here, but that includes modules`
`12:54.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`thats with the 12 from auctioneer that are ONLY installed on one character.`
`12:54.22`	`vrak`	`ouch, i've got 216 dirs`
`12:54.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`I use about 35 addons total`
`12:54.37`	`Pneumatus`	`216 :o`
`12:54.39`	`Niwa`	`new diagnosis: addonoholic`
`12:54.41`	`doom0r`	`inclyuding modules, i have over 300`
`12:54.58`	`doom0r`	`my normal set is ~280`
`12:54.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`I've never liked addons that come with 13,000 modules :P`
`12:55.15`	`nevcairiel`	`i have 160 with modules/LoD stuff and disembed libs`
`12:55.18`	`doom0r`	`well, some things are special in that case`
`12:55.23`	`Kalroth`	`oi jnwhiteh! I got a feature request for tomtomtomtom`
`12:55.23`	`doom0r`	`quartz for instance`
`12:55.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`Kalroth: K`
`12:55.33`	`doom0r`	`and everyquest lod's by subject`
`12:55.53`	`nevcairiel`	`including the blizzy addons`
`12:55.57`	`vrak`	`some are not in use or character/class-specific`
`12:56.01`	`Kalroth`	`jnwhiteh: "k" usually means you'll let me type it and then just ignore/forget it!`
`12:56.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`I skipped blizzy addons`
`12:56.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`Kalroth: no, I'm waiting.`
`12:56.13`	`Kalroth`	`jnwhiteh: Liar, I hate you.`
`12:56.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`I won't ignore you until you've at least typed it :P`
`12:56.33`	`Kalroth`	`Support for "/way coord, coord"`
`12:56.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`why?`
`12:56.57`	`Kalroth`	`because when I use /way it's usually a copy paste from wowhead/etc.`
`12:57.14`	`Kalroth`	`and the normal format on websites is "coord, coord", not "coord coord"`
`12:57.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`so bitches should not include commas in their coords!`
`12:57.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`i've gotta rework part of that anyway`
`12:57.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'll look at it`
`12:57.37`	`Kalroth`	`thx4u!`
`12:57.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`coord,coord too`
`12:57.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`that gets REALLy messy`
`12:57.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`since people use , as a decimal separator`
`12:57.49`	`Kalroth`	`that as well, Arrowmaster :)`
`12:57.55`	`kenlyric`	`only bad people`
`12:57.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`hence why it causes issues`
`12:58.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`well, those bad people are still my users`
`12:58.06`	`kenlyric`	`euro, other scum`
`12:58.10`	`Kalroth`	`jnwhiteh: I do that in Denmark, but I still know it's 10.00,10.00 :)`
`12:58.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`and if it works but does something different that is bad too`
`12:58.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`jnwhiteh: ok but only if whatever follows it doesnt match as a number`
`12:58.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`if someone wants to take a stab at rewriting that part of the slash command handler, I wouldn't cry :p`
`12:58.43`	`Kalroth`	`D'oh`
`12:58.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`otherwise I'll try to do it when I get to it`
`12:59.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`just saying you can help it get done faster`
`12:59.02`	`Kalroth`	`Then Arrowmaster mentioned it before me, hence he should do it`
`12:59.05`	`Niwa`	`'s random slur: commas in lists are annoying`
`12:59.35`	`krka`	`jnwhiteh: you could just specify a list of patterns such as "d,d", "d d", "d,d d,d", "d.d d.d", "d.d,d.d", et.c.`
`12:59.46`	`krka`	`pick the first one that matches`
`12:59.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`krka: and then have to go through them all to see which it picks up`
`12:59.53`	`krka`	`where d = [0-9]+`
`12:59.58`	`krka`	`right`
`13:00.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`but there's more to the slash command`
`13:00.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`they'd have to be anchored`
`13:00.10`	`jnwhiteh`	`etc.`
`13:00.15`	`krka`	`anchored?`
`13:00.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`^ and $`
`13:00.23`	`krka`	`ah, right`
`13:00.23`	`Kalroth`	`yeah, the zone thingy is rather silly too, it really needs a simple UI listview :)`
`13:00.25`	`krka`	`of course`
`13:00.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`to ensure n partial matches`
`13:00.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`Kalroth: you can type any part of the zone..`
`13:00.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:00.41`	`Kalroth`	`oh, oops :p`
`13:00.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`loser :P`
`13:00.48`	`Kalroth`	`isn't it the other way around btw?!`
`13:00.49`	`krka`	`or /way z 50 50`
`13:00.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`isn't what the other way around?`
`13:01.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`krka: I think there's at least one other zone with a z in it :P`
`13:01.12`	`Kalroth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:01.15`	`krka`	`wait... will /way o 50 50 go to stormwind or ironforge?`
`13:01.29`	`krka`	`i guess ironforge, it has more o:s`
`13:01.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`neither, krka it will tell you there are too many possible matches and to be more specific.`
`13:01.36`	`krka`	`aww`
`13:01.38`	`Kalroth`	`also needs a permanenly /cway setting!`
`13:01.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`Kalroth: nope, its always /way zone coords desc`
`13:01.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`huh?`
`13:01.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`what is /cway`
`13:01.55`	`Kalroth`	`closest waypoint`
`13:01.59`	`krka`	`short for cowardly?`
`13:02.15`	`Kalroth`	`and permanent*`
`13:02.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`... its already in?`
`13:02.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`clear your current waypoint and the closest one gets set next`
`13:03.00`	`[Ammo]`	`jnwhiteh: thanks for adding the corpse location to tomtom! (if that's indeed your doing or some addon adding it for me)`
`13:03.10`	`jnwhiteh`	`[Ammo]: I did add it :P`
`13:03.12`	`[Ammo]`	`just noticed yesterday I had it`
`13:03.14`	`Kalroth`	`No, I mean when I add 2-3 waypoints in a row, it should go for the closest waypoint regardless of order`
`13:03.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`hehe`
`13:03.16`	`[Ammo]`	`been using it sooo long`
`13:03.19`	`Kalroth`	`(it didn't for me yesterday)`
`13:03.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`Kalroth: That's a terrible idea!`
`13:03.25`	`Kalroth`	`nooo`
`13:03.30`	`[Ammo]`	`but thought hey, that arrow, I've been following it instinctively ;)`
`13:03.34`	`Zhinjio`	`man, this isn't working right`
`13:03.36`	`Kalroth`	`But that's why I asked for a setting :P`
`13:03.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`Kalroth: meh, i think that would be confusing`
`13:03.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'll think abiout it`
`13:04.00`	`Zhinjio`	`shouldn't SetBackdropColor overlay my texture with a color when blendmode is BLEND?`
`13:04.04`	`Zhinjio`	`it isn't doing shit`
`13:04.10`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm missing or forgetting something`
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`13:04.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`jnwhiteh: i dont think corpse point is working when you end up in another zone btw`
`13:05.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`probably not, if you can give me an easy way to test i'll try to`
`13:05.12`	`krka`	`meh, you should use global coordinates`
`13:05.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`or I'll accept a patch`
`13:05.19`	`krka`	`atleast internally`
`13:05.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`i umm died in the north sea`
`13:05.24`	`krka`	`astrolabe ftw`
`13:05.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`krka: Astrolabe still requires a zone/continent`
`13:05.46`	`krka`	`right`
`13:05.48`	`krka`	`continent = global`
`13:05.57`	`krka`	`since you can't directly move between continents without zoning`
`13:06.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`That'd require quite a bit of a rewrite at this point`
`13:06.23`	`jnwhiteh`	`which probably wouldn't hurt`
`13:06.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`but peopel can disable waypoitns based on zone`
`13:06.38`	`Kalroth`	`next version will be called TimTim then?`
`13:06.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`storing it the way I do now seems to work fine`
`13:06.39`	`krka`	`i had the same problem in AutoTravel 1.0`
`13:06.40`	`Pneumatus`	`an easy way to test would be to die of fatigue in the frozen sea`
`13:06.46`	`krka`	`you couldn't easily go between zones`
`13:06.49`	`Pneumatus`	`as you'll end up at a graveyard on land`
`13:06.57`	`krka`	`that's why i invented the global positioning system`
`13:07.06`	`krka`	`(which worked wonderfully)`
`13:07.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`well, I didn'tknow any of this when I started working on TomTom`
`13:07.17`	`Kalroth`	`krka invented GPS!`
`13:07.17`	`doom0r`	`i thought of a use for LibSubZone`
`13:07.19`	`many`	`die of fatigue in sholazar and youll end up at a graveyard in westfall`
`13:07.28`	`Pneumatus`	`or barrens`
`13:07.34`	`krka`	`jnwhiteh: you should have used MapLibrary for all your coordinate needs :)`
`13:07.35`	`Pneumatus`	`depending on your faction`
`13:07.36`	`Fisker-`	`halp`
`13:07.41`	`many`	`ah`
`13:07.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`krka: MapLibrary was nowhere to be seen, but Astrolabe was`
`13:07.46`	`krka`	`(though Astrolabe superceded it now)`
`13:07.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`dunno`
`13:07.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`you were in the channel when I was writing it :p`
`13:07.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`in theory at least`
`13:08.02`	`krka`	`yeah, Astrolabe sort of replaced it since I stopped developing`
`13:08.16`	`Kalroth`	`Blaming krka works for me, jnwhiteh`
`13:08.22`	`Kalroth`	`glares at krka.`
`13:08.25`	`many`	`i was surprised when i came back to my computer seeing the spirit in westfall`
`13:08.56`	`krka`	`i suspect questhelper doesn't use global coordinate system, it acts weirdly when moving between zones`
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`13:09.39`	`doom0r`	`krka: seems like it just checks zone, and has static references on how to get to other zones that have been manually added`
`13:09.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`questhelper uses astrolabe`
`13:09.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`but a custom version of it`
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`13:10.17`	`krka`	`apparently it doesn't take advantage of the major feature then :/`
`13:10.19`	`Pneumatus`	`what on earth is TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED :o`
`13:10.35`	`krka`	`hmm, though i suppose zone entrypoints is a good idea`
`13:10.46`	`doom0r`	`not when you're flying`
`13:10.57`	`Zhinjio`	`anyone know much about Frame:SetBackdropColor? It isn't working as expected for me.`
`13:10.57`	`doom0r`	`on a flying mount`
`13:11.00`	`kenlyric`	`it does subzones to`
`13:11.15`	`Kalroth`	`doom0r: what else would you be flying on?`
`13:11.25`	`doom0r`	`a flight path`
`13:11.26`	`kenlyric`	`it's fun when you're standing right on the line and it continually switches between two waypoints`
`13:12.26`	`doom0r`	`Pneumatus: Fires when the tabard is savable.`
`13:12.41`	`doom0r`	`c/p, i have nothing that's actually usefull`
`13:12.53`	`mitch0`	`"blessed bag of holding" sounds right as a wish, right?`
`13:13.03`	`mitch0`	`ECHAN`
`13:15.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`stupid crocolisks in the city quest`
`13:15.19`	`Bruners`	`what's stupid with it ?`
`13:15.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`that i still have 0/4 pets`
`13:16.47`	`Bruners`	`0/4, isnt there only one from that quest?`
`13:17.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`no theres 4`
`13:17.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`all crocs but 4 different ones`
`13:17.32`	`Bruners`	`cool`
`13:21.40`	`EthanCentaurai`	`crocolisks in the city never drops the croc pet`
`13:21.59`	`EthanCentaurai`	`the bag has a different loot table seeing as it's the easiest to do`
`13:24.27`	`Zhinjio`	`was that a recent change? Because thats the quest I got mine from`
`13:24.41`	`doom0r`	`i have 1/4`
`13:24.41`	`Pneumatus`	`crocolisks in the city is the ONLY one that drops the croc pet`
`13:25.01`	`doom0r`	`^`
`13:25.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`13:25.53`	`EthanCentaurai`	`will never ever listen to Trade chat ever again... bunch of tards...`
`13:25.54`	`Fisker-`	`crocs in the city isn't that much easier`
`13:25.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`its the only fishing daily worth doing`
`13:26.14`	`doom0r`	`easiest one is actually the terokkar one`
`13:26.18`	`Pneumatus`	`crocs isnt any harder, its just rarer`
`13:26.22`	`Fisker-`	`agreed :3`
`13:26.24`	`doom0r`	`you can fish it outta that little pond right by shat's entrance`
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`13:26.39`	`EthanCentaurai`	`feels very stupid now`
`13:26.44`	`Fisker-`	`why must you be so awesome doom0r ?`
`13:27.03`	`doom0r`	`y so unsrs Fisker-?`
`13:27.15`	`Fisker-`	`not sure if srs`
`13:32.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`EthanCentaurai: new layout looks good! tag it imho since i had to go through and check a bunch of zones off`
`13:32.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`tag it so others dont have to later if they first get the mod today`
`13:34.00`	`Repo`	`10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 04v0.6.2-beta * c5df7e7 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.6.2-beta`
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`13:34.27`	`EthanCentaurai`	`there you go :)`
`13:34.33`	`doom0r`	`coins are nice rep`
`13:34.55`	`doom0r`	`75 rep per major faction`
`13:34.56`	`kenlyric`	`not if you are exalted with all five factions :/`
`13:34.58`	`doom0r`	`per coin`
`13:35.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`i got silvermoon exalted from lunar festival`
`13:35.41`	`kenlyric`	`they should apply to the wrath horde/alliance faction group too`
`13:36.15`	`Fisker-`	`I wonder if Microsoft would allow me to upload a goatse gadget for Vista`
`13:40.24`	`kenlyric`	`animated?`
`13:40.28`	`kenlyric`	`"click here to open"`
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`13:46.31`	`Zhinjio`	`this fucking texture thing is going to make me cry`
`13:47.42`	`doom0r`	`?`
`13:48.46`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm trying to get a backdropcolor to overlay (tint) my texture`
`13:49.10`	`Zhinjio`	`I do a dump on my texture, compared with one that is working from kgpanels to compare all the attributes.`
`13:49.14`	`Zhinjio`	`they are identical`
`13:49.21`	`Zhinjio`	`yet my backdrop color doesn't work`
`13:49.39`	`doom0r`	`backdrop is behind`
`13:50.03`	`doom0r`	`like what you see on a depleted statusbar`
`13:51.02`	`Zhinjio`	`backdrop is the background, yes. a backdrop color is supposed to essentially overlay your background texture, though`
`13:51.06`	`Zhinjio`	`above it`
`13:51.19`	`Zhinjio`	`in the drawlayers`
`13:51.22`	`Zhinjio`	`and "tint" the texture`
`13:51.55`	`doom0r`	`is your foreground transparent?`
`13:52.19`	`doom0r`	`so that you're only seeing the backdrop?`
`13:52.19`	`Zhinjio`	`there currently isn't anything in the foreground`
`13:54.40`	`Zhinjio`	`shit`
`13:57.36`	`doom0r`	`?`
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`14:14.46`	`Xinhuan`	`Arrowmaster, is that DUF thread a potential trojan link`
`14:14.49`	`Xinhuan`	`?`
`14:14.53`	`Xinhuan`	`(as in did you visit it)`
`14:14.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`14:15.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`just stupid shit`
`14:15.41`	`Xinhuan`	`site doesn't look too bad`
`14:16.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`shit posts like that still dont belong on our forums`
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`14:16.28`	`doom0r`	`Xinhuan: the site has been the same for ever`
`14:16.36`	`doom0r`	`just someone else hosting and pretending to work on it`
`14:16.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`its just the old discord site copy pasted`
`14:16.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`still looks like shit`
`14:17.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`eye cancer`
`14:17.04`	`Xinhuan`	`does have 3.0.3 download links, i wonder if it works`
`14:17.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`doom0r: you use duf right?`
`14:17.22`	`doom0r`	`<----- it's right there`
`14:17.31`	`doom0r`	`(other monitor)`
`14:17.35`	`doom0r`	`yes`
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`14:17.51`	`doom0r`	`it's the same pile of crap it's been for the last few years`
`14:18.07`	`doom0r`	`if i didn't have interest in other stuff i'd tear it apart`
`14:18.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is the definition of why fan updates are evil`
`14:18.46`	`doom0r`	`the guy who "is taking over and writing the new DUB" supposedly lost his hd and all his work on it`
`14:19.04`	`Zao`	`I've heard that source control helps.`
`14:19.10`	`doom0r`	`WTS triplication and/or third party repos`
`14:19.24`	`doom0r`	`he hasn't even been doing the fixes on the current one`
`14:19.27`	`doom0r`	`some forum member there has`
`14:19.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`'harddrive crash and lost all work' translates into 'i didnt do shit now donate more money'`
`14:20.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`right?`
`14:20.22`	`Zao`	`Workedforme.`
`14:20.32`	`doom0r`	`i dont' see anything bout donations anymore`
`14:20.41`	`doom0r`	`not since loz gave it up`
`14:21.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`loz was a fucking deadbeat`
`14:21.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`he played on my server`
`14:22.01`	`Xinhuan`	`what class`
`14:22.02`	`doom0r`	`if i wasn't so lazy/knew more, i would at least start by getting rid of the 2039482903848929 globals i'm sure it makes by glancing at it`
`14:22.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`priest`
`14:23.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`before 2.x he was on everyday playing when he was telling people he was working on a new 'Discord UI Builder' (DUB) as the 2.x version of DUF and all other discord mods`
`14:23.45`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: not sure which you're looking to do`
`14:23.51`	`doom0r`	`but http://paste.wowace.com/206/ is one thing that's possible`
`14:24.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`and im not talking about on constantly afk coding and testing`
`14:24.07`	`doom0r`	`that's using the wowwiki example for a frame creation and texturing`
`14:24.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`he was out instancing and then leveling after 2.x release`
`14:25.21`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: that's applying a color/alpha mod to the whole frame, i presume you want just a complete color overlay?`
`14:25.25`	`Zhinjio`	`I have one more thing to try`
`14:25.38`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm already doing something that has all of that.`
`14:25.50`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm giving this one more shot then I'm going to bed.`
`14:25.59`	`doom0r`	`well pastey it`
`14:25.59`	`Bruners`	`did they change the amount of gold that drops from onyxia?`
`14:26.05`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`14:26.11`	`Xinhuan`	`they changed all old world raid bosses`
`14:26.15`	`Bruners`	`bastards`
`14:26.15`	`doom0r`	`?`
`14:26.20`	`Xinhuan`	`to drop 1/3 or so`
`14:26.24`	`doom0r`	`lol`
`14:26.25`	`Xinhuan`	`onyxia should now only drop about 55g`
`14:26.28`	`Bruners`	`only 57g from ony`
`14:26.35`	`doom0r`	`my buddy was soloing her every reset on his druid`
`14:26.47`	`Bruners`	`have been doing so as well`
`14:27.43`	`Xinhuan`	`its 55g +- 5g or so`
`14:27.54`	`Xinhuan`	`people are reporting ranges between 50-60g`
`14:27.57`	`Bruners`	`1525.19\| You loot 57 Gold, 87 Silver, 58 Copper`
`14:28.17`	`sacarasc`	`Which is within the 55+/-5 range`
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`14:30.25`	`Bruners`	`but why ?`
`14:31.34`	`Xinhuan`	`people were soloing old world bosses for the loot 25000g achievement`
`14:31.44`	`Xinhuan`	`that gave some classes unfair advantages ;p`
`14:31.51`	`Xinhuan`	`(i'm just spouting rubbish)`
`14:33.01`	`Bruners`	`she was harder today with the death strike glyph nerf`
`14:33.17`	`Fisker-`	`llove me Bruners`
`14:33.46`	`Zhinjio`	`http://paste.wowace.com/207/`
`14:34.07`	`Zhinjio`	`line 46 of that does nothing`
`14:34.15`	`Zhinjio`	`or at least, doesn't have the desired effect.`
`14:34.24`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm quite certain it is getting the proper values`
`14:35.05`	`Zhinjio`	`woops.`
`14:35.16`	`Zhinjio`	`line 29 is not supposed to be commented out.`
`14:36.07`	`Fisker-`	`another problem solved`
`14:36.21`	`Zhinjio`	`no, it isn't. I pastied it incorrectly.`
`14:36.45`	`Fisker-`	`>*`
`14:36.46`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`14:36.51`	`Zhinjio`	`there, fixed.`
`14:37.13`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: newFrame is visible?`
`14:37.41`	`Zhinjio`	`it is one I show it later, yes`
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`14:37.56`	`Zhinjio`	`my ldb widget toggles it`
`14:37.59`	`doom0r`	`then you can't see the backdrop color because it's behind it`
`14:38.17`	`Zhinjio`	`pardon?`
`14:38.33`	`doom0r`	`backdrop is like framelevel -1`
`14:39.18`	`doom0r`	`if BookOnDesk is your frame, Desk is your backdrop, you can't see behind something that's opaque`
`14:40.53`	`Zhinjio`	`the frame itself has no color or anything on it.`
`14:41.17`	`Zhinjio`	`I do see the backdrop texture, which is in the same layer (BACKGROUND)`
`14:41.57`	`Zhinjio`	`unless I just completely don't get the way that works`
`14:42.03`	`Zhinjio`	`which is, of course, quite possible.`
`14:42.05`	`doom0r`	`k, that's what i was trying to ask, what is the desired output`
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`14:42.25`	`Zhinjio`	`further: I just made the texture invisible.`
`14:42.35`	`doom0r`	`you want a colored lens over it? or you want the texture colored`
`14:42.49`	`Zhinjio`	`so in theory, if what you're suggesting is correct, I should see the tint against UIParent`
`14:42.52`	`Zhinjio`	`I do not.`
`14:43.02`	`Zhinjio`	`it is comlpetely transparent`
`14:43.16`	`thul`	`i'm starting to dislike the customer service (or the lack of) at ups`
`14:43.17`	`Fisker-`	`i didn't get a baby crocolisk`
`14:43.20`	`Fisker-`	`hence it's bugged`
`14:43.21`	`Fisker-`	`ffuuuuuuuuu`
`14:44.13`	`doom0r`	`i'm not sure what you're after, http://paste.wowace.com/206/ http://paste.wowace.com/208/`
`14:44.23`	`doom0r`	`try those ingame and see the difference`
`14:44.24`	`Zhinjio`	`I'll show you a screenie`
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`14:48.16`	`Zhinjio`	`http://geo.trippy.org/gallery2/d/2619-1/panelshit.jpg`
`14:48.21`	`Zhinjio`	`the panel on the right is the one I made`
`14:48.22`	`doom0r`	`while the subject is up, is vertextcolor expensive?`
`14:48.26`	`Zhinjio`	`the panel on the left: kgpanels`
`14:48.39`	`Zhinjio`	`they have identical attributes in every way I can check`
`14:48.56`	`Zhinjio`	`yet the kgpanels one has a "proper" SetBackdropColor functioning`
`14:49.11`	`Zhinjio`	`namely, the background gets tinted with the SetBackdropColor call`
`14:49.20`	`Zhinjio`	`VertexColors on both of these are all (1, 1, 1, 1)`
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`14:50.28`	`Zhinjio`	`I essentially copied kgpanels code nearly line for line to get where I'm at right now`
`14:50.31`	`doom0r`	`if the one on the right is what the texture looks like`
`14:50.48`	`doom0r`	`and the one on the left is kgpanels one with backdrop applied to that texture`
`14:50.52`	`doom0r`	`it's not correct`
`14:51.04`	`Zhinjio`	`whats not correct?`
`14:52.02`	`doom0r`	`sec, lemme get a screen`
`14:54.21`	`Bruners`	`Zhinjio: what are you trying to do really?`
`14:54.34`	`Zhinjio`	`apply a tint to the background texture`
`14:54.41`	`Zhinjio`	`using the backdropcolor`
`14:54.50`	`Bruners`	`Zhinjio: yeah i got that, but what are you using it for`
`14:55.03`	`Zhinjio`	`um.`
`14:55.10`	`Zhinjio`	`its the frame my addon will use to display data`
`14:55.12`	`Zhinjio`	`?`
`14:55.17`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm not sure I understand your question`
`14:55.28`	`Bruners`	`im just curious about what addon you are making`
`14:55.43`	`Zhinjio`	`re-optimizing SKG to not use custom textures anymore`
`14:55.54`	`Zhinjio`	`and not be as stupid in code as when I first wrote it`
`14:58.13`	`doom0r`	`http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4002/backdropexamplesdj5.jpg`
`14:59.19`	`doom0r`	`top is an energy bar, with a backdrop visible where there's no energy, bottom is a timer bar i hacked up that has the backdrop visible as black semi trans`
`14:59.29`	`Kaelten`	`1g'morning all`
`14:59.42`	`nevcairiel`	`morning Kaelten`
`14:59.44`	`doom0r`	`the energy or the timer bar is the Texture, the thing behind it is the Backdrop`
`15:00.03`	`Zhinjio`	`well, not according to the spec`
`15:00.23`	`doom0r`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetBackdrop`
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`15:01.06`	`Zhinjio`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetBackdropColor`
`15:01.14`	`doom0r`	`the backdrop in a set for a play is the thing behind everything else`
`15:01.34`	`Kaelten`	`hrm?`
`15:01.44`	`Kaelten`	`if the docs there are lacking on something try the ones at wowprogramming.com`
`15:01.46`	`Zhinjio`	`to quote: The color value used here is meant to tint the backdrop file used in the backdrop of the frame.`
`15:01.57`	`doom0r`	`yes, in my pic, the bottom one Zhinjio, is a statusbar with a black backdrop`
`15:02.26`	`doom0r`	`there's a frame, with a backdrop set, with a backdrop color set`
`15:02.37`	`Zhinjio`	`and does the backdrop have a bgFile?`
`15:02.40`	`Zhinjio`	`bgfile, rather?`
`15:02.43`	`Zhinjio`	`or is it blank?`
`15:02.49`	`doom0r`	`don't remember which i'm using, it can be either way`
`15:03.18`	`Zhinjio`	`well, if it is empty, the behavior in your screenshot will be true.`
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`15:03.30`	`Zhinjio`	`if it has a texture there, the one in mine will be true`
`15:03.43`	`Zhinjio`	`whcih is what kgpanels is doing, and what I'm trying to do`
`15:03.49`	`doom0r`	`if it has a texture, you'd see it like the energy bar in the top of my pic`
`15:03.55`	`Zhinjio`	`no, you wouldn't.`
`15:04.05`	`Zhinjio`	`read what I just quoted`
`15:04.20`	`Zhinjio`	`the color value is meant to tint the backdrop FILE`
`15:04.24`	`Zhinjio`	`the texture`
`15:04.36`	`Zhinjio`	`thus, it sits on TOP of the bgfile texture`
`15:04.38`	`Zhinjio`	`it has to`
`15:04.45`	`Zhinjio`	`and the kgpanels example provesit`
`15:04.59`	`doom0r`	`right, the backdrop sits behind the thing ti's a backdrop of though`
`15:05.11`	`Zhinjio`	`yes, which is currently a completely transparent frame.`
`15:05.13`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm not arguing that`
`15:05.21`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`15:05.24`	`Zhinjio`	`hey ck`
`15:05.26`	`Fisker-`	`farts`
`15:05.27`	`Zhinjio`	`hey Kaelten`
`15:06.12`	`Kaelten`	`yo?`
`15:06.21`	`Fisker-`	`YO DAWG`
`15:09.18`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3757/wowscrnshot012609090823my4.jpg code on screen with it`
`15:09.51`	`doom0r`	`nil texture with a backdrop that has a texture with coloring`
`15:10.08`	`Zhinjio`	`nods.`
`15:10.15`	`Zhinjio`	`thats exactly what I'm trying to do`
`15:10.40`	`doom0r`	`alpha on the color affects the whole thing`
`15:11.01`	`Zhinjio`	`nods. True.`
`15:11.20`	`Zhinjio`	`my alpha is 1`
`15:11.31`	`Camci`	`Im nothing that HP on bosses is not correct displained on my unit frame unless i target them, for example if i target our tank who targets a boss and the hp shows lets say 80%, and if i target the boss its actually 50%. I use pitbull but im not sure if thats the problem, and this started after the patch, anyone got any idea?`
`15:11.40`	`Camci`	`noticing* lol`
`15:11.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`Camci: do you have instanthealth or libquickhealth?`
`15:12.09`	`Camci`	`Instant_Health yes, i actually Just looked for an update to that but cant find it`
`15:12.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`disable it then`
`15:12.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`see if that fixes it`
`15:12.27`	`thul`	`I want a 3d cad-machine on my room`
`15:12.40`	`Camci`	`oke ill try that`
`15:12.44`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: you can also, make the texture of your frame a solid color with w/e alpha, then put a normal texture behind it using backdrop`
`15:13.10`	`doom0r`	`and not color the backdrop`
`15:13.12`	`doom0r`	`directly`
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`15:14.41`	`Zhinjio`	`doom0r: nods ... now its like a mission. I need to figure out what I'm doing wrong.`
`15:14.44`	`Zhinjio`	`its gotta be something stupid`
`15:14.51`	`Zhinjio`	`but I've combed the code like a dozen times.`
`15:16.06`	`doom0r`	`which frame is getting that texture?`
`15:16.14`	`doom0r`	`newFrame? bgFrame?`
`15:16.22`	`Zhinjio`	`newFrame`
`15:16.39`	`doom0r`	`then you'll never see the backdrop of newframe, because it's behind it`
`15:16.39`	`Zhinjio`	`bgFrame isn't really a frame, its the variable used to do the SetBackdrop`
`15:16.53`	`Zhinjio`	`its not a frame`
`15:17.59`	`doom0r`	`Frame1 is above Frame2, to have color over a texture, Frame1 needs to be color, Frame2 needs to be the texture`
`15:18.13`	`Zhinjio`	`what second frame are you referring to?`
`15:18.16`	`Zhinjio`	`I only have 1`
`15:18.33`	`Zhinjio`	`newFrame is the only frame`
`15:19.19`	`doom0r`	`newFrame:SetBackdropColor`
`15:19.35`	`doom0r`	`if newFrame is a texture, you won't see the color behind it`
`15:20.15`	`Zhinjio`	`oh hell.`
`15:20.18`	`Zhinjio`	`I think I see it.`
`15:20.20`	`doom0r`	`it would have to have alpha below 1`
`15:20.26`	`doom0r`	`to see w/e is behind it`
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`15:21.04`	`Zhinjio`	`nope, nevermind. I don't.`
`15:21.09`	`Zhinjio`	`newFrame isn't a texture`
`15:22.48`	`Zhinjio`	`newFrame.bg = newFrame:CreateTexture( nil, "BACKGROUND" )`
`15:23.02`	`Zhinjio`	`newFrame is the frame, newFrame.bg is its backdrop texture`
`15:23.21`	`Zhinjio`	`or... hmm`
`15:23.35`	`Zhinjio`	`looks that up.`
`15:24.26`	`Zhinjio`	`that isn't clear`
`15:25.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shefki, Kemayo: does that latest AuldLangSyne release still taint the raidui? or is that fixed nao :)`
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`15:32.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`Gnarfoz: kemayo stoped coding for wow`
`15:32.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: I know, he still might be aware. ;P`
`15:35.23`	`thul`	`~ask`
`15:35.24`	`purl`	`Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.`
`15:35.28`	`thul`	`~ask to ask`
`15:35.28`	`purl`	`Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel.`
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`15:38.08`	`Zhinjio`	`doom0r: thanks for your help. I'm going to bed.`
`15:38.11`	`Zhinjio`	`waves.`
`15:38.18`	`thul`	`hugs Zhinjio goodnight`
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`15:42.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`~asktoask`
`15:42.44`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`15:42.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`~ask2ask`
`15:42.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm ok, 3 factoids for the same thing... :p`
`15:47.15`	`doom0r`	`We are all here voluntarily or against our will.`
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`15:50.50`	`[fd]`	`I'm not here`
`15:51.00`	`[fd]`	`Against my will.`
`15:51.10`	`Groktar`	`http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6905/oddarenalt3.jpg`
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`15:54.02`	`Fisker-`	`fail Groktar`
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`15:54.21`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.imagedumpwitheasy.com/uploads/7c0eb1c4b6.png`
`15:56.36`	`Repo`	`10libitembonus-2-0: 03jerry 04LibItemBonus-2.0 v2.0.5 * r64 : Tagging as LibItemBonus-2.0 v2.0.5`
`15:58.03`	`Repo`	`10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r209 modules/CopyChat.lua: fix provided by Medalist for #82. Thanks!`
`15:58.20`	`Skellum`	`Hrm....so question`
`15:58.47`	`Skellum`	`GC constantly states that the view point of blizzard is that only the top 5% of guilds are composed of people who spec for the highest DPS they can gain.`
`15:58.52`	`Skellum`	`This seems like madness to me`
`16:00.01`	`quiescens`	`I thought it was more like they expect very few to choose their spec based on 1-2%`
`16:00.07`	`quiescens`	`or whatever`
`16:00.18`	`quiescens`	`so that if the specs are close enough most people won't care`
`16:00.52`	`Skellum`	`That they would go with their playstyle`
`16:01.19`	`Skellum`	`But looking at all the DPS classes out there, only a few have comperable DPS specs. The only one I can think of being the DK`
`16:01.25`	`Skellum`	`And possibly arcane/FF atm`
`16:02.33`	`Skellum`	`http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wGr8njEWjtI/SWPwwe4t6kI/AAAAAAAABiA/Y23_Ng0Kj_U/s1600-h/gambi+anon.jpg`
`16:02.46`	`quiescens`	`It would seem that they haven't quite gotten to the point where its true yet then`
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`16:09.36`	`steev`	`Groktar: i saw a yodawg image with that in it the other day`
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`16:11.31`	`steev`	`http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/rusty404/7c0eb1c4b6.png would be it`
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`16:14.08`	`Silowyi`	`http://www.accasia.net/wtf_frame.jpg anyone know what mod might be causing this?`
`16:14.34`	`pastamancer`	`I blame fisker`
`16:15.10`	`Skellum`	`no clue...but your minimap is covered in hives`
`16:15.10`	`Silowyi`	`what mods does he write? :P`
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`16:15.21`	`Silowyi`	`actually that's another question`
`16:15.30`	`Silowyi`	`is there a mod that will wrangle minimap buttons? :P`
`16:15.41`	`Skellum`	`yarp`
`16:16.56`	`Silowyi`	`is it named yarp?`
`16:17.06`	`Silowyi`	`:P`
`16:17.33`	`Skellum`	`no idea, I cant remember anymore`
`16:17.40`	`Skellum`	`My brains pretty dead with lack of sleep atm`
`16:17.58`	`durcyn`	`sexymap snarfs minimap buttons, among other things`
`16:18.11`	`kenlyric`	`sexymap is like the opposite of sexy`
`16:18.24`	`pastamancer`	`sexymap just kinda hides them, minimap button bag actually wrangles them`
`16:18.37`	`Silowyi`	`what about buttonhole advanced?`
`16:18.57`	`Megalon`	`butt on hole advanced`
`16:18.59`	`Megalon`	`hm`
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`16:27.54`	`Repo`	`10broker-currency: 03Azethoth * r40 libs/: -- Embed LibQTip`
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`16:31.49`	`doom0r`	`i'm gonna curse Zhinjio`
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`16:32.11`	`doom0r`	`i've already spent so much time i've learned to create a frame, anchor it, move it`
`16:32.13`	`doom0r`	`=\`
`16:35.22`	`nevcairiel`	`man stasiscl is slow on my web server in processing <.<`
`16:39.02`	`fatbrain`	`if I have an item_link, is there some way to determine if the item_id points to a spell or an item?`
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`16:47.46`	`Repo`	`10repheaderremember: 03stencil * r10 / (2 files in 1 directory):`
`16:47.49`	`Repo`	`Updated version number and added comments. Creating new release to replace defective package on curse.`
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`16:49.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: whodathunkit`
`16:49.57`	`Repo`	`10repheaderremember: 03stencil 04Release v1.1 * r11 : Tagging as Release v1.1`
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`16:51.13`	`zoktar`	`any way to get grid to have proper units on malygos drake phase+`
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`16:51.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`zoktar: yes, install it`
`16:51.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`16:51.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`i.e. "it already has what you're asking"`
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`16:52.02`	`zoktar`	`its been fixed then ?`
`16:52.17`	`zoktar`	`havnt been in eye for few weeks`
`16:53.25`	`doom0r`	`fatbrain: how are you getting the item link?`
`16:53.54`	`fatbrain`	`doom0r: GetTradeSkillItemLink`
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`16:55.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`zoktar: dunno what "fix" means, Grid has been changed over to using UnitGUIDs for everything, on jan. 15th (that branch was in developement for quite a while before that)`
`16:56.01`	`quiescens`	`would that have fixed up pets too?`
`16:56.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`zoktar: which means it can differentiate between units that share the same name. (i.e. 25 player pets on malygos that are all called "wyrmrest skytalon")`
`16:56.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`again... wtf fix`
`16:56.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`it was simply not possible the way it was done before`
`16:57.25`	`doom0r`	`fatbrain: i'm guessing you're referring to things like the tailoring self chants?`
`16:57.31`	`quiescens`	`because I couldn't differentiate between the mind controlled adds in razuvious today o.o`
`16:57.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`why would they even show up on grid`
`16:57.56`	`fatbrain`	`doom0r: yes, or enchanting where you don't produce any tiesm`
`16:58.02`	`fatbrain`	`s/tiesm/items/`
`16:58.10`	`quiescens`	`mind controlled things count as pets?`
`16:58.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`I support the question mark in that statement`
`16:59.01`	`doom0r`	`lol`
`16:59.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, if you're using the UnitGUID version (which everyone should be, because it's in trunk and has been tagged as release) it should be able to`
`16:59.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`otherwise... --> pastamancer`
`16:59.48`	`quiescens`	`okay, I guess I was just imagining the extra frames that appeared`
`16:59.51`	`quiescens`	`o.o`
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`17:00.24`	`quiescens`	`I'll try it with defaults some day I guess`
`17:01.58`	`Repo`	`10gridstatusmrds: 03slaren * r5 GridStatusMRDS.lua: - Spell icons are now used as the status icon`
`17:02.13`	`Repo`	`10tomquest2: 03StingerSoft * r32 / (3 files in 2 directories): - added ruRU localization`
`17:02.16`	`Repo`	`- added in enUS all localization strings`
`17:03.33`	`doom0r`	`fatbrain: the actual item link`
`17:04.06`	`doom0r`	`fatbrain: http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemLink#Printing_links_for_debug`
`17:04.09`	`fatbrain`	`doom0r: let me check, brb`
`17:04.18`	`doom0r`	`darkglow embroidery will turn up with an enchantlink`
`17:04.22`	`doom0r`	`for example`
`17:04.40`	`doom0r`	`Here's what it really looks like: "\|cffffd000\|Henchant:55769\|h[Darkglow Embroidery]\|h\|r"`
`17:06.21`	`fatbrain`	`doom0r: thanks a bunch`
`17:06.28`	`doom0r`	`np :)`
`17:06.36`	`fatbrain`	`doom0r: now I just have to check what scribe outputs`
`17:07.05`	`doom0r`	`heh, sec`
`17:07.18`	`doom0r`	`i have every class/profession btw`
`17:07.56`	`fatbrain`	`good for you ;)`
`17:08.10`	`doom0r`	`actually, i should know beforehand`
`17:08.20`	`doom0r`	`you make items with that except for research`
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`17:09.50`	`fatbrain`	`ok, thanks a bunch`
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`17:13.11`	`doom0r`	`fatbrain: minor inscription research gives you an item too, it's just a proxy random item though that becomes something else: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44680`
`17:13.36`	`doom0r`	`Here's what it really looks like: "\|cffffffff\|Hitem:39349:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:60\|h[Weapon Vellum]\|h\|r"`
`17:13.40`	`doom0r`	`er`
`17:13.49`	`doom0r`	`Here's what it really looks like: "\|cffffffff\|Hitem:44680:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:60\|h[Assorted Writings]\|h\|r"`
`17:14.49`	`doom0r`	`although, it teaches you something if you can learn something still`
`17:15.01`	`doom0r`	`but that's scripted`
`17:16.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`@project auld-lang-syne`
`17:16.45`	`Repo`	`Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/auldlangsyne/. AuldLangSyne. Game: WoW. Kemayo (Manager/Author), Shefki (Maintainer). Updated: 8 hours ago. Tickets: 5/8`
`17:17.47`	`Primer`	`http://www.imagedumpwitheasy.com/uploads/7c0eb1c4b6.png`
`17:18.05`	`Primer`	`wow`
`17:18.23`	`thul`	`correct, this is wow`
`17:19.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`haha`
`17:20.11`	`doom0r`	`i wonder how many people got paycuts or fired for 2.0.8`
`17:20.11`	`nevcairiel`	`how did they win with one kb?`
`17:20.14`	`doom0r`	`er 3.0.8`
`17:20.23`	`fatbrain`	`doom0r: yes, thanks. the information from the item_link was exactly what I needed.`
`17:20.24`	`nevcairiel`	`i bet noone doom0r :P`
`17:20.50`	`doom0r`	`nevcairiel: possibly, if the bad order came from high, but i'm sure they're paying somehow`
`17:21.34`	`steev`	`nevcairiel: /afk`
`17:21.48`	`nevcairiel`	`of course they dont deserve any points then!`
`17:21.55`	`doom0r`	`when does botmail happen if someones here? when the person next talks?`
`17:21.57`	`nevcairiel`	`kill him before he can type /afk`
`17:22.05`	`steev`	`nevcairiel: alternately, the DK could have been a ghoul and exploded`
`17:22.05`	`nevcairiel`	`srsly`
`17:22.12`	`steev`	`you don't get the kb when that happens`
`17:22.30`	`steev`	`unless you hit him right as the explosion happens`
`17:22.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`i thought you couldnt become a ghoul in arenas anymore`
`17:22.52`	`nevcairiel`	`weird dk anyway, i would've though he gets more heal in a fight`
`17:22.58`	`steev`	`5 minute cooldown or something`
`17:23.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`thought it was 15`
`17:23.14`	`doom0r`	`purl, botmail for doom0r: what happens if i'm in your chan?`
`17:23.14`	`steev`	`if its 15 then yeah, no more ghoul`
`17:23.27`	`doom0r`	`.`
`17:23.31`	`steev`	`but ..`
`17:23.33`	`nevcairiel`	`doom0r: it tells you when you rejoin i think`
`17:23.37`	`Primer`	`Anyhow, arena last night was fucked. Every win was my team gaining 8-10 points, and every loss was 15-20`
`17:23.40`	`*** part/#wowace doom0r (i=Doom0r@c-24-14-47-37.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
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`17:23.52`	`steev`	`Primer: stop losing :)`
`17:24.05`	`Primer`	`<-- lock`
`17:24.08`	`doom0r`	`nevcairiel: ya`
`17:24.10`	`steev`	`oh, sorry`
`17:24.17`	`steev`	`Primer: stop arenaing`
`17:24.20`	`steev`	`:-P`
`17:24.24`	`Primer`	`it's coming to that`
`17:24.36`	`Primer`	`yet, there's this lock on my realm is a 2100+ 2's`
`17:24.39`	`steev`	`i've pretty much stopped and im a dk`
`17:24.41`	`Primer`	`and he's affliction`
`17:25.09`	`steev`	`mainly because i'd rather focus on pve, and pvp was mainly something to do while waiting on more 80s in guild`
`17:25.27`	`steev`	`i do have ~600 resilience, which isn't saying much`
`17:26.25`	`Primer`	`I guess spec and skill are really the deciding factors`
`17:26.54`	`Primer`	`what I need is a dedicated 2's partner`
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`17:27.09`	`steev`	`what server/region?`
`17:27.14`	`Primer`	`I don't like 3's or 5's because you have to rely on more people`
`17:27.21`	`Primer`	`Gorgonnash US`
`17:28.35`	`steev`	`ahh`
`17:29.24`	`nevcairiel`	`i always considered 2v2 rather stupid because its mostly class-setup/spec`
`17:29.26`	`nevcairiel`	`not skill`
`17:30.12`	`doom0r`	`i have however many resil is on the lvl 80 epic bracers you buy with honor`
`17:30.51`	`Primer`	`5's requires too much coordination`
`17:31.05`	`Primer`	`invariably one dude fucks up and it's over`
`17:31.12`	`Primer`	`3's is actually ideal`
`17:31.18`	`nevcairiel`	`i had most fun in 5s`
`17:31.22`	`Primer`	`I'd really like to get a good 3's team going`
`17:31.23`	`nevcairiel`	`back in s1 and s2`
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`17:33.58`	`Primer`	`What's the story with resil anyhow? Does Blizz acknowledge that resilience isn't mitigating damage as it should at 80?`
`17:34.07`	`Primer`	`or is that "intended behavior"?`
`17:34.15`	`Primer`	`I mean, I think I might as well be in my raid gear`
`17:34.38`	`amoeba`	`I think Ghostcrawler made a statement saying he hadn't figured out Resil, Haste or ArPen yet.`
`17:34.47`	`Repo`	`New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/bootycall/. BootyCall. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.`
`17:34.53`	`Repo`	`New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/vigee/. Vigee. Sivar (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.`
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`17:35.08`	`Kalroth`	`Suuure, approve BootyCall, but not penis!`
`17:35.12`	`Repo`	`New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/gridstatusmrds/. GridStatusMRDS. slaren (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel.`
`17:35.42`	`ckknight`	`...penis`
`17:36.19`	`Kalroth`	`Yes, apparently that's an offensive name for an addon.`
`17:36.23`	`Kalroth`	`I'm being supressed!`
`17:36.26`	`nevcairiel`	`you're offensive`
`17:36.32`	`amoeba`	`Zing!`
`17:37.01`	`Kalroth`	`You're oppressive!`
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`17:39.13`	`ckknight`	`penis is offensive, though`
`17:39.26`	`Kalroth`	`oh`
`17:39.37`	`kenlyric`	`maybe to you`
`17:39.44`	`ckknight`	`I should write an addon named Shuttlecock`
`17:39.44`	`kenlyric`	`kalroth here loves them`
`17:40.34`	`doom0r`	`uh, if i set a texture on seomthing, what would be the best way to make it transparent?`
`17:41.30`	`ckknight`	`doom0r: :SetVertexColor`
`17:43.07`	`Kalroth`	`oh, good idea, ckknight`
`17:43.11`	`doom0r`	`ah, that's right, that's not an actual color, but a modifier`
`17:43.16`	`Kalroth`	`I'll call my addon Cock-A-Doodle instead!`
`17:43.18`	`ckknight`	`hey, I claim Shuttlecock`
`17:43.25`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`17:43.27`	`ckknight`	`that's acceptable`
`17:43.32`	`ckknight`	`as long as it is chicken-related`
`17:43.36`	`Kalroth`	`Oh.`
`17:43.40`	`Kalroth`	`Damnit.`
`17:43.42`	`ckknight`	`as much as PitBull is dog-related`
`17:43.43`	`durcyn`	`there's already a Cockpit around somewhere`
`17:43.53`	`quiescens`	`moo`
`17:44.00`	`ckknight`	`Cockpit = Penishole = vagina?`
`17:44.03`	`ckknight`	`you know it`
`17:44.09`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`17:44.19`	`durcyn`	`ckknight: i guess. it's also the name of a gay bar i saw once`
`17:44.24`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`17:45.10`	`Kalroth`	`You "saw"?`
`17:45.24`	`Kalroth`	`Is seeing a gay bar like seeing a girl?`
`17:45.28`	`durcyn`	`saw the outside of. jerk.`
`17:45.38`	`Kalroth`	`Oh okay`
`17:45.38`	`durcyn`	`it had a propeller on the sign too.`
`17:46.00`	`Kalroth`	`I'm not sure I understand the context of a propeller, pleas elaborate.`
`17:46.10`	`durcyn`	`cockpit, as in airplane? it was themed, you see.`
`17:46.48`	`Kalroth`	`Did they have any cute pilots?`
`17:47.11`	`durcyn`	`i'm not sure why you think i should know that.`
`17:48.02`	`nevcairiel`	`Kalroth: travel there and find out`
`17:48.11`	`nevcairiel`	`google thinks its in Austin, TX`
`17:49.50`	`Kalroth`	`That's going to be a tad bit expensive`
`17:50.02`	`Camci`	`http://www.imagedumpwitheasy.com/uploads/7c0eb1c4b6.png`
`17:50.09`	`nevcairiel`	`old`
`17:50.27`	`nevcairiel`	`was posted here 30 mins ago =P`
`17:50.38`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`17:51.18`	`doom0r`	`i laughed again`
`17:51.33`	`Camci`	`oh`
`17:51.45`	`Camci`	`well was afk 30 min ago :p`
`17:51.49`	`steev`	`doom0r: yeah, sadly i laugh every time i see it`
`17:52.51`	`Kalroth`	`They could do a "Yo dawg" about Ace too. Something about a library in a library so your addon can load while it loads? It needs refinement!`
`17:52.51`	`Camci`	`seen this then? http://mbilf.com/pics/bejeweledinwow-20081126-204940.jpg :p`
`17:53.06`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`17:54.04`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.imagedumpwitheasy.com/uploads/7c0eb1c4b6.png`
`17:54.09`	`Fisker-`	`oh fu Camci`
`17:54.11`	`kenlyric`	`~curseclient`
`17:54.11`	`purl`	`hmm... curseclient is New beta released at: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/files/5-curse-client-2-1-1-2-beta-1-update-exe-only/ Post all suggestions at http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/`
`17:54.11`	`Fisker-`	`copycat`
`17:54.13`	`Fisker-`	`COPYCAT`
`17:54.17`	`Fisker-`	`fu's`
`17:54.20`	`ckknight`	`copypasta`
`17:54.40`	`Camci`	`FAIL`
`17:54.49`	`Chompers`	`copymoose`
`17:58.38`	`ckknight`	`...lol?`
`17:59.08`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Chompers around a bit with a large trout`
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`18:00.08`	`Camci`	`http://i41.tinypic.com/qy7d48.jpg`
`18:00.21`	`doom0r`	`i should probably go get food, i'm getting delerious (sp?, meh, don't care at this point)`
`18:00.27`	`doom0r`	`i haven't ate in 12 hours`
`18:02.29`	`Groktar`	`lol`
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`18:05.57`	`Primer`	`delirious`
`18:06.42`	`doom0r`	`~spell delirious`
`18:06.57`	`doom0r`	`~dict delirious`
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`18:08.58`	`Xinhuan`	`are the wow forums broken`
`18:09.04`	`Xinhuan`	`US ones`
`18:09.14`	`Dashkal`	`the wow armory is`
`18:09.47`	`doom0r`	`Xinhuan: 500`
`18:09.58`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm getting 500s on all the US one`
`18:09.59`	`Xinhuan`	`ones`
`18:10.38`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.imagedumpwitheasy.com/uploads/7c0eb1c4b6.png`
`18:10.44`	`Xinhuan`	`this link is circulating`
`18:10.48`	`Camci`	`lol`
`18:10.58`	`Xinhuan`	`a google search on the string "7c0eb1c4b6.png"`
`18:11.10`	`Xinhuan`	`will show you that its quite widely linked now, and mostly today's post`
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`18:13.06`	`Stanzilla`	`Zeksie: got my PM? my wlan is acting up again -.-`
`18:13.43`	`Skellum`	`I shouldnt have waited this long to watch Dr.Strangelove`
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`18:23.39`	`steev`	`woo`
`18:23.45`	`steev`	`created my first ticket \o.`
`18:23.51`	`steev`	`er \o/`
`18:23.56`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`18:24.05`	`steev`	`someone chopped off my arm in the first one`
`18:24.27`	`steev`	`god i hate libxml2`
`18:27.13`	`Primer`	`me too`
`18:27.30`	`Primer`	`"This _may_ be freed"`
`18:27.41`	`Primer`	`L2ENGLISH`
`18:28.12`	`Primer`	`in all fairness, I haven't looked at the docs in ages...perhaps it's been fixed`
`18:28.33`	`steev`	`what may be freed?`
`18:28.59`	`Primer`	`pointers returned from libxml2 functions`
`18:29.08`	`steev`	`heh`
`18:29.14`	`Primer`	`his way of saying that it mallocs mem that _should_ be freed (not _may_)`
`18:29.19`	`Primer`	`</gripe>`
`18:29.34`	`steev`	`patches accepted!`
`18:29.38`	`Primer`	`of course`
`18:29.49`	`Primer`	`DV's easy to reach on IRC though`
`18:29.59`	`Primer`	`one good thing about libxml2 :)`
`18:30.41`	`steev`	`truth`
`18:30.50`	`steev`	`as long as its not davidz+hal`
`18:30.58`	`steev`	`don't even get me started there though`
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`18:41.29`	`Mikk`	`Silowyi: That looks to be about the same size as Auc_AutoMagic's frame`
`18:41.33`	`Mikk`	`And style`
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`18:43.24`	`kenlyric`	`did the addons button go away?`
`18:43.37`	`kenlyric`	`on the char screen`
`18:43.58`	`kenlyric`	`I haven't played in a couple months`
`18:44.43`	`Primer`	`no`
`18:44.44`	`kenlyric`	`oh I have no addons`
`18:44.50`	`kenlyric`	`where did they all install to I wonder`
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`18:45.28`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tem\|laptop] by ChanServ`
`18:45.54`	`kenlyric`	`maybe I should have listened when it told me to run as admin`
`18:46.32`	`kenlyric`	`odd, curse client shows them installed../.`
`18:47.05`	`Stanzilla`	`vista?`
`18:47.44`	`kenlyric`	`yes`
`18:48.17`	`Stanzilla`	`move wow out of the the default program files directory`
`18:48.39`	`Stanzilla`	`and your addons are now in some weird folder in your user profile^^`
`18:48.54`	`kenlyric`	`it was already in the D folder`
`18:49.01`	`kenlyric`	`the addons just didn't install.`
`18:49.17`	`kenlyric`	`I looked in the user's Public folder first`
`18:49.44`	`kenlyric`	`I ran as admin and just reinstalled them all, they are there now`
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`19:08.05`	`doom0r`	`hmmm, buttonfacade just stacks textures?`
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`19:12.58`	`doom0r`	`settting an additive blend mode on a texture above uiparent has some trippy effects`
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`19:21.53`	`Primer`	`sigh...so my new guild, which is a branch of my old guild, has a new website that I just can't stand, and since I have admin, I can "fix" it`
`19:22.07`	`Primer`	`but it's only web based config...it's a dkpsystem.com site`
`19:22.23`	`Primer`	`It seems there are some things I can't touch and it's pissing me off`
`19:24.21`	`Repo`	`10revelation: 03Torhal * r61 Revelation.lua:`
`19:24.24`	`Repo`	`Removed tooltip scanning code in favor of having Dewdrop handle GameTooltip directly.`
`19:24.55`	`Fisker-`	`frosted butts`
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`19:32.15`	`dodga`	`Okay here's a nifty idea for an addon`
`19:32.25`	`dodga`	`I want to be able to put player names in a list`
`19:32.57`	`dodga`	`And then when the raid/party changes/updated, I'd like that Grid sets the alpha to 0 of every frame whose player matches any of the names in the list`
`19:33.12`	`dodga`	`Ideally it would work with cross-server names, too :>`
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`19:33.29`	`Fisker-`	`rages`
`19:39.23`	`doom0r`	`dodga: raid ignore??? :P`
`19:41.30`	`dodga`	`doom0r: That, and ignore stupid people in BGs`
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`19:41.52`	`doom0r`	`well, that's a raid, so ya ;x`
`19:42.05`	`AKX`	`Gah.. What's the trash-item-selling/dropping mod of the day?`
`19:42.17`	`doom0r`	`there's no mod of the day`
`19:42.23`	`doom0r`	`tekjunkseller`
`19:42.43`	`doom0r`	`sell all greys`
`19:43.00`	`CrazyBenny`	`depends if you need to sell all grey or also some of the white quality stuff`
`19:43.10`	`AKX`	`CrazyBenny, that's closer to what I'd want to do.`
`19:43.25`	`CrazyBenny`	`try SellJunk then :p`
`19:43.47`	`AKX`	`Heh, CrazyBenny. :P`
`19:44.28`	`Repo`	`10tomquest2: 03gagou * r33 locales (2 files in 1 directory): revert StingerSoft changes.`
`19:44.28`	`Repo`	`Please do not add localization through SVN, use the provided WowAce application.`
`19:44.28`	`Repo`	`Do not add duplicate localization keys to enUS or any other locale.`
`19:44.28`	`Repo`	`Import StingerSoft localization using WowAce application`
`19:49.14`	`dodga`	`doom0r: Yeah well my point is, if I'm healing I don't want to waste my mana on stupid people :>`
`19:50.48`	`gix`	`what happens if no defender leaves the wintergrasp fortress? can you do anything as attacker then?`
`19:53.41`	`dodga`	`Post flame threads on the realm forum? :D`
`19:58.45`	`fewyn`	`http://tinyurl.com/auhanu`
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`20:00.50`	`pb_ee1`	`Hey guys, is there a way to display your own group in Grid when using Class/w pets layout?`
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`20:03.04`	`pb_ee1`	`Please say my name when answering if you do so ;)`
`20:03.16`	`steev`	`gix: yes - you kill the opposin faction mobs that are fighting at the bridges`
`20:08.05`	`pb_ee1`	`Anybody knows?`
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`20:09.35`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.wowace.comhttp://kb.www.curseforge.com/technology/ by ckknight`
`20:09.46`	`ckknight`	`eep`
`20:09.48`	`ckknight`	`gotta fix that`
`20:12.58`	`Ackis`	`ckknight: that url doesn't work :P`
`20:13.15`	`ckknight`	`Ackis: do you not see me just saying "gotta fix that"?`
`20:13.26`	`Ackis`	`:P`
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`20:15.56`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: that url doesn't work :P`
`20:16.20`	`Bruners`	`with my sane irc client it works :P`
`20:16.28`	`ckknight`	`...lol`
`20:16.44`	`Kaelten`	`you and your fancy regexes`
`20:22.16`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: 5 hours later..... damn you (check pm)`
`20:23.32`	`Ackis`	`Kaelten get my msn this morning?`
`20:23.42`	`Kaelten`	`maybe, don't remember`
`20:23.53`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`20:25.09`	`Repo`	`10recount: 03Elsia * r975 / (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 1 line)`
`20:25.12`	`Repo`	`Recount:`
`20:25.15`	`Repo`	`- Friendly damage to pets is now correctly reported as friendly fire rather than damage done.`
`20:25.18`	`Repo`	`- Reversed "localizations" of strings that should not be localized that broke certain functionalities. Added big warning labels so translators don't touch those strings again (I'm pretty sure I reverted some of these before :P). This was responsible for a range of odd behaviors, including the summary view broken in all but the enUS locale, hit/crit/tick attribution odd or broken etc.`
`20:25.22`	`Repo`	`- Reduced the number of concurrent guardians to 12 from 20 for performance reasons.`
`20:25.47`	`doom0r`	`ya know what? http://www.genesis3000.de/wp-content/potter.jpg`
`20:26.01`	`Repo`	`10recount: 03Elsia 043.0.3d beta * r976 : Tagging as 3.0.3d beta`
`20:26.03`	`Fisker-`	`ckknight`
`20:26.07`	`Fisker-`	`the earl doesn't work`
`20:26.24`	`Ackis`	`kaelten: but links take you to cursebeta (is that going to be fixed?) and double clicking an addon updates it, my expected behaviour would be to open the info about it`
`20:26.50`	`Fisker-`	`l2expected`
`20:28.13`	`Kaelten`	`the cursebeta thing will be fixed when the service is published live, I've stated so 100's of times :P`
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`20:28.46`	`NeoTron`	`Zeksie: did you change xperl wrt drakes @ malygos?`
`20:28.55`	`NeoTron`	`I updated and I swear I don't get the unit frames anymore`
`20:29.11`	`Fisker-`	`Kaelten when do you fix the cursebeta earl`
`20:29.12`	`Fisker-`	`hoho`
`20:29.14`	`NeoTron`	`also more frustrating is I can't target myself by clicking my own player frame (so I can't heal myself easily wo a macro I guess)`
`20:29.24`	`*** kick/#wowace [Fisker-!n=Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten] by Kaelten (you deserve this)`
`20:29.37`	`Niwa`	`could someone take a look and tell me what's wrong with this: http://paste.wowace.com/210/`
`20:29.51`	`*** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)`
`20:29.52`	`Niwa`	`I keep getting "missing end" errors, but I just can't spot it :/`
`20:29.54`	`Fisker-`	`indeed`
`20:29.58`	`Bruners`	`~fail Fisker-`
`20:30.00`	`purl`	`Fisker-: FAIL!`
`20:30.00`	`*** join/#wowace Groktar (n=gr@76-236-38-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net)`
`20:30.10`	`kenlyric`	`man, who thought underhood needed to not have a default layout? because making one from scratch is fun!`
`20:30.14`	`Kaelten`	`Niwa: you have an extra space`
`20:30.21`	`Kaelten`	`Niwa: on line 9`
`20:30.43`	`Kaelten`	`Niwa: http://paste.wowace.com/211/`
`20:30.50`	`kenlyric`	`what's the easiest way to hide the default blizzard party frames? does grid provide such an option?`
`20:31.16`	`Kaelten`	`elseif is a tag else if creates an else block with an if statement inside`
`20:32.10`	`Niwa`	`Kaelten: ah, thanks, see it now >.<`
`20:32.29`	`Bruners`	`what are the advantages of a USB-microphone ?`
`20:33.51`	`doom0r`	`you get awesome interference`
`20:34.14`	`*** join/#wowace topsub (n=josh@97.66.185.250)`
`20:34.57`	`Niwa`	`kenlyric: dunno if they have a parent frame or not, but if they do and you don't plan on enabling them again, PartyFrame:UnregisterAllEvents(); PartyFrame:Hide() should do it`
`20:35.15`	`Niwa`	`don't take my word on it though`
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`20:35.30`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Kody-] by ChanServ`
`20:40.17`	`doom0r`	`kenlyric: blizz interface options -> Party & Raid -> Hide Party Interface in Raid`
`20:40.38`	`kenlyric`	`this is for when I'm not in a raid`
`20:41.25`	`kenlyric`	`something I used before hid the frames, I just don't remember what.`
`20:41.36`	`Niwa`	`there's always HideBlizzard`
`20:41.41`	`doom0r`	`your unitframes?`
`20:41.46`	`Niwa`	`and lots of unitframes has the option`
`20:43.16`	`kenlyric`	`i'm guessing underhood used to hide them, and icehud doesn't`
`20:44.55`	`Niwa`	`kenlyric: there are mods that provide options to hide various blizzard frames, HideBlizzard being one of them, but I'm sure there are others that are better`
`20:46.43`	`doom0r`	`poke pastamancer for a toggle in grid imo`
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`20:51.40`	`pastamancer`	`never gonna happen`
`20:52.24`	`doom0r`	`partyframe:hide out of scope?`
`20:52.34`	`pastamancer`	`yes`
`20:52.56`	`ckknight`	`PitBull + Grid combo, yes?`
`20:52.56`	`ckknight`	`:P`
`20:53.14`	`doom0r`	`... but a raid frame display that acts in party only isn't?`
`20:53.32`	`pastamancer`	`Grid's also never going to let you right click on someone to get the whatever that menu is called`
`20:53.44`	`ckknight`	`the right-click menu`
`20:53.46`	`ckknight`	`:P`
`20:53.52`	`pastamancer`	`well then`
`20:53.57`	`Fisker-`	`ckknight my archnemesis`
`20:54.07`	`Fisker-`	`Tortellinimancer :3`
`20:54.20`	`pastamancer`	`my dear sweet fisker`
`20:54.46`	`ckknight`	`hey Fisker-`
`20:55.06`	`ckknight`	`despite everything, I've still yet to see pastamancer actually mance up some pasta`
`20:55.17`	`pastamancer`	`hmm, hang on`
`20:55.20`	`ckknight`	`tortellini or otherwise`
`20:55.25`	`ulic`	`ckknight: last I checked no pb4 support for raids yet, which is fine, but when you get there were you gonna allow different layouts for different raid groups, ie. groups 1 & 2 use Layout A, and groups 3-8 use Layout B?`
`20:55.28`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, the one change I tried to get you to do to make grid more like a unitframe you made me cry.`
`20:55.49`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: http://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/boston/01-17-06_2232.jpg`
`20:55.56`	`ckknight`	`ulic: yea, you'll be able to do crazy shit like that`
`20:56.05`	`ckknight`	`lol, pastamancer`
`20:56.16`	`ulic`	`good, cuase I'm crazy`
`20:56.25`	`Niwa`	`http://paste.wowace.com/212/`
`20:56.26`	`pastamancer`	`I've got more where that came from`
`20:56.30`	`ckknight`	`basically, you'll be able to declare groups ad-hoc`
`20:56.33`	`ckknight`	`you make a new group`
`20:56.35`	`ckknight`	`specify what kind it is`
`20:56.37`	`ckknight`	`what filters it has`
`20:56.37`	`pastamancer`	`I was actually at a pasta-making party on saturday`
`20:56.39`	`ckknight`	`what ordering`
`20:56.40`	`ckknight`	`what layout`
`20:56.41`	`ckknight`	`etc.`
`20:56.51`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: who goes to pasta-making parties?`
`20:56.51`	`ulic`	`sounds awesome`
`20:56.53`	`ckknight`	`parties?`
`20:57.02`	`ckknight`	`who has a party about making pasta?`
`20:57.03`	`pastamancer`	`umm... my friends?`
`20:57.05`	`Niwa`	`missed an 'end' though`
`20:57.30`	`ckknight`	`Niwa: yes, you did`
`20:57.33`	`ckknight`	`quite obviously`
`20:57.38`	`ckknight`	`...your first function`
`20:57.45`	`pastamancer`	`it's more fun if you roll and cut the pasta yourself`
`20:57.49`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: your friends are weird`
`20:57.56`	`ckknight`	`oh well`
`20:57.57`	`pastamancer`	`I won't deny that`
`20:58.03`	`Niwa`	`ckknight: copy & paste with some edits >_>`
`20:58.13`	`ckknight`	`I suppose if that's what you liberal types do`
`20:59.23`	`Niwa`	`http://paste.wowace.com/213/ fixed`
`20:59.46`	`ckknight`	`k`
`21:00.02`	`kenlyric`	`we liberal types have abortion parties, not pasta parties`
`21:00.16`	`ckknight`	`see, that's what I figured`
`21:00.40`	`ckknight`	`as you make sacrifices to Richard Dawkins`
`21:01.09`	`ckknight`	`and burn bibles and give Muslims civil liberties`
`21:01.18`	`pastamancer`	`http://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/boston/12-26-07_1313.jpg`
`21:01.29`	`pastamancer`	`that's what I do when I'm not busy being a crazy lie-beral`
`21:01.33`	`ckknight`	`what's that?`
`21:01.41`	`Olison`	`Looks wicked`
`21:01.48`	`pastamancer`	`an old macbook with some bullet holes next to a 12-pack of bud`
`21:02.05`	`Olison`	`Ah okay`
`21:02.06`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`21:02.16`	`pastamancer`	`you can't see it very well, but the apple logo got shot out`
`21:02.25`	`ckknight`	`ah, I see`
`21:02.37`	`Zhinjio`	`G'morning`
`21:02.49`	`kenlyric`	`you got some hardcore HP thugs in your hood?`
`21:02.50`	`pastamancer`	`that was a good xmas`
`21:03.17`	`pastamancer`	`it was a mercy killing`
`21:03.30`	`pastamancer`	`like that scene with the printer from office space`
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`21:19.28`	`NeoTron`	`so SWS + (debuff) Auras on a raid boss => major win in looking at player efficiency`
`21:20.13`	`sylvanaar`	`god how do people deal with the startup time of Eclipse`
`21:20.55`	`pastamancer`	`never close it`
`21:20.55`	`sylvanaar`	`its literally like 2min`
`21:20.55`	`pastamancer`	`ever`
`21:21.05`	`pastamancer`	`that's why people do everything in eclipse because they don't want to close it or even alt tab`
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`21:21.48`	`doom0r`	`people do everything in emacs`
`21:21.57`	`mib_91t9wz`	`hi peepz`
`21:22.57`	`sylvanaar`	`emacs...`
`21:23.13`	`doom0r`	`agrees`
`21:23.16`	`mib_91t9wz`	`i realise this may get me kicked on the wow"ace" channel but what u guys think off openRDX?`
`21:23.31`	`sylvanaar`	`i cant remember single letter keyboard shortcuts`
`21:24.26`	`sylvanaar`	`i know ctrl s,c,v, and x`
`21:24.30`	`sylvanaar`	`thats it`
`21:25.10`	`sylvanaar`	`anything else i need a menu`
`21:25.42`	`sylvanaar`	`vi i cant even edit a file with it`
`21:26.04`	`doom0r`	`i wouldn't want to`
`21:26.06`	`doom0r`	`i use nano`
`21:26.12`	`Niwa`	`says: here, people don't get kicked, they get ignored >_>`
`21:26.39`	`sylvanaar`	`someone kick Niwa`
`21:26.50`	`Niwa`	`lol`
`21:27.17`	`mib_91t9wz`	`lol, i never got the whole irc thing, not old enough i gues, u come to chatbox to chat imo`
`21:27.47`	`sylvanaar`	`im not sure what there is to get`
`21:28.40`	`doom0r`	`meh, it's like that jag in new york trying to ban newsgroups everywhere`
`21:28.45`	`sylvanaar`	`irc is filled with fussy geeks`
`21:28.47`	`doom0r`	`because of file transfers`
`21:29.05`	`doom0r`	`and even fussier nerds`
`21:30.09`	`sylvanaar`	`newsgroups are the best - they have a learning curve too - which keeps out the non-tech rif-raf`
`21:30.16`	`Niwa`	`mib_91t9wz: I actually watched the video >.<. feels like a uniform and very customizable addon, but still, it's easier to do what I want in code`
`21:30.32`	`mib_91t9wz`	`newsgroup curve ? nzb file is all i needed to know:P`
`21:31.07`	`mib_91t9wz`	`yes but you probly a addon dev of sorts`
`21:31.14`	`Skellum`	`heh http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/117188`
`21:32.34`	`mib_91t9wz`	`it also earns more attention from malware developers< haha they give em to much credit`
`21:32.36`	`sylvanaar`	`p2p nothxu`
`21:32.51`	`Skellum`	`I'd fuck with mac users because i just kinda hate the macs`
`21:33.03`	`doom0r`	`mib_91t9wz: why?`
`21:33.13`	`doom0r`	`have you seen the operations some of them run?`
`21:34.13`	`mib_91t9wz`	`becouse i belief that sort of skilled people spend there time not making malware as they call it`
`21:34.59`	`mib_91t9wz`	`i gues some do it for the cash yeah`
`21:36.28`	`mib_91t9wz`	`just talking about the anoying stuff`
`21:37.14`	`sylvanaar`	`nerds`
`21:37.14`	`mib_91t9wz`	`i mean proving windows and IE have securty issues....old news, no need to crash some poor guys pc right`
`21:38.38`	`mib_91t9wz`	`those bot-nets are funny tho`
`21:38.57`	`mib_91t9wz`	`rent a cyber army, every nerds wet dream:P`
`21:39.44`	`Skellum`	`meh`
`21:39.56`	`Skellum`	`I'd prefer an army of small asian children`
`21:39.58`	`Skellum`	`Cheeper`
`21:40.27`	`sylvanaar`	`lower maintenance`
`21:40.57`	`Skellum`	`Specialy if you make them eat each other`
`21:41.10`	`mib_91t9wz`	`twisted you 2`
`21:41.42`	`NeoTron`	`so we discovered that 8-man Malygos is a lot harder. it wasn't an optimal group (one healer was a respecced shadow priest for example) but ges`
`21:41.48`	`Skellum`	`Its tough`
`21:41.55`	`Skellum`	`6 mins more of a pain`
`21:42.07`	`Skellum`	`Especially with their annoying shit of making him untargetable at the end of P2`
`21:42.25`	`sylvanaar`	`8 man 4H was hard`
`21:42.34`	`Skellum`	`and unnessasary`
`21:42.51`	`sylvanaar`	`why?`
`21:42.52`	`Skellum`	`Its not on "The Dedicated Few"`
`21:42.56`	`sylvanaar`	`its not?`
`21:42.59`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`21:43.00`	`Skellum`	`Newp`
`21:43.09`	`sylvanaar`	`we did it though`
`21:43.10`	`Skellum`	`I mean, we did it too, not realizing or wanting to pull people in`
`21:43.16`	`mib_91t9wz`	`any irc clients for wow btw?`
`21:43.19`	`NeoTron`	`heh yeah we did all naxx 8man but for 4hm we got 2 more in and did th other achievement instead`
`21:43.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`21:43.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`its impossible`
`21:43.27`	`NeoTron`	`which was a lot tricker in 10 man than 25 man`
`21:43.40`	`mib_91t9wz`	`impossible? thats a new word`
`21:44.07`	`NeoTron`	`WoW cannot in any way communicate with anything outside of WoW in real time`
`21:44.15`	`NeoTron`	`or rathe`
`21:44.20`	`Skellum`	`Mmm`
`21:44.24`	`Skellum`	`I miss EQIM`
`21:44.33`	`NeoTron`	`I gues you can send data out in a reasonbly "real time" way using the chat log but not the other direction`
`21:45.18`	`sylvanaar`	`k, it can, but you have to use an account as a relay, and mash a key over and over`
`21:45.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`and wait for the reload time`
`21:45.47`	`sylvanaar`	`no reload needed`
`21:46.00`	`mib_91t9wz`	`lol`
`21:46.00`	`mib_91t9wz`	`how about a external program with a overlay or something ?`
`21:46.19`	`NeoTron`	`mib_91t9wz: it's always possible to control wow externally, especially if you don't mind getting banned`
`21:46.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`that would work if you were much of a masocist to install said overlay`
`21:46.34`	`mib_91t9wz`	`lol`
`21:46.47`	`sylvanaar`	`for the no-reload method you ahve to mash a few keys in a certain sequence`
`21:46.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`last time i tried one it completely trashed my video card drivers`
`21:46.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`and it took me over a month to fix it all`
`21:46.59`	`doom0r`	`....`
`21:47.07`	`doom0r`	`i use one all the time`
`21:47.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`which?`
`21:47.24`	`doom0r`	`firefox notifications popup over my window`
`21:47.28`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`21:47.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats not an overlay`
`21:47.43`	`doom0r`	`yes, yes it is`
`21:47.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`not a directx overlay`
`21:47.58`	`sylvanaar`	`he means graphic overlay`
`21:47.58`	`mib_91t9wz`	`if its showing clearly works the same way dont it`
`21:48.21`	`sylvanaar`	`you are most likely running in windowed /maximized`
`21:48.25`	`Pneumatus`	`there's a vent one kicking about i tried to use once, but it failed :<`
`21:48.43`	`NeoTron`	`vent has it builtin`
`21:48.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`the vent one is perty minor`
`21:48.46`	`doom0r`	`it'll happen in full screen too`
`21:48.50`	`doom0r`	`it's a pos`
`21:48.51`	`NeoTron`	`fraps is another common overlay`
`21:49.00`	`sylvanaar`	`otherwise that crap breaks you out of full screen`
`21:49.05`	`mib_91t9wz`	`so, it is possible ... :D`
`21:49.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`the ones that allow you to run entire apps as an overlay are different`
`21:49.18`	`doom0r`	`the need for an overlay is bs`
`21:49.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`the one i tried caused major issues for both myself and my friend that tried it`
`21:49.41`	`doom0r`	`the decade old design of directx and opengl need to gtfo`
`21:49.43`	`Repo`	`10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r241 TradeskillIdData.lua:`
`21:49.45`	`Repo`	`- Removed spellid=59926 (convert Borean Leather Scraps to Borean Leather). It is not a trades skill recipe.`
`21:50.09`	`doom0r`	`bs whql drivers have trouble hooking directx a second time even`
`21:50.12`	`doom0r`	`complete bs`
`21:50.24`	`sylvanaar`	`i sorta like the fact that the design is decades old - thats how long it takes to find and fix all the bugs in it`
`21:50.37`	`doom0r`	`no`
`21:50.51`	`doom0r`	`the implementation is retarding development`
`21:50.53`	`mib_91t9wz`	`what u sugest them doom0r ? DirectAce?:P`
`21:51.07`	`doom0r`	`it's one of the two things that are seriously screwing computing moving forward`
`21:51.13`	`sylvanaar`	`i know - lets write a new implementation from scratch, and "do it right this time"`
`21:51.21`	`doom0r`	`the second being x86`
`21:51.29`	`Repo`	`10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r242 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Included zhCN locale fixes - thanks Sunteya`
`21:51.45`	`doom0r`	`sylvanaar: many want it, but gl and directx are both proprietary`
`21:52.08`	`doom0r`	`so they want to follow a business model, and everyone else is too scared to fund it themselves`
`21:52.49`	`sylvanaar`	`or too smart`
`21:52.56`	`doom0r`	`...`
`21:53.08`	`doom0r`	`save the flamebait`
`21:53.27`	`mib_91t9wz`	`lets face it tho, stuff like that needs major cash backing or completely opensourced`
`21:53.50`	`Repo`	`10broker-currency: 03Azethoth * r41 / (4 files in 1 directory): -- Add character deletion options`
`21:53.53`	`Repo`	`-- Start packaging with LibQTip`
`21:54.09`	`doom0r`	`open/closed source means nothing to it, that only matters down the line`
`21:54.18`	`doom0r`	`cash is the only factor`
`21:54.38`	`Repo`	`10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v1.2.1 * r243 : Tagging as v1.2.1`
`21:54.39`	`Zhinjio`	`is "PARENT" no longer a valid argument to SetFrameStrata?`
`21:54.42`	`Repo`	`- Removed spellid=59926 (convert Borean Leather Scraps to Borean Leather). It is not a trade skill recipe;`
`21:54.42`	`Zhinjio`	`boggles.`
`21:54.45`	`Repo`	`- Included zhCN locale fixes - thanks Sunteya.`
`21:55.39`	`doom0r`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UITYPE_FrameStrata`
`21:55.59`	`Zhinjio`	`SKG-r131\core.lua:97: ButtonTab:SetFrameStrata(): Unknown frame strata: PARENT`
`21:56.04`	`mib_91t9wz`	`opensource means u dont need as much cash, just enough people commited to a single goal and "some" cash`
`21:56.04`	`Zhinjio`	`I know. I'm looking at that.`
`21:57.57`	`Camci`	`how do you record sound on vent? :P`
`21:58.16`	`sylvanaar`	`just like you record any other sound?`
`21:59.09`	`Camci`	`never recorded any sound`
`21:59.17`	`sylvanaar`	`i know`
`21:59.46`	`sylvanaar`	`you should start with google`
`22:00.11`	`Camci`	`its ok found out vent had its own record shit :P`
`22:00.51`	`Xinhuan`	`Camci, it only records in its own vent native format`
`22:01.08`	`Xinhuan`	`so in other to convert it to other formats you end up having to REPLAY IT in vent, and using another recording tool`
`22:01.23`	`Xinhuan`	`just telling you first!`
`22:01.32`	`pompy`	`Xinhuan: you can record as mp3 files now`
`22:01.44`	`Xinhuan`	`really?`
`22:01.52`	`pompy`	`yes, in the newest version`
`22:02.09`	`NeoTron`	`using a custom format was kind of stupid and useless so glad to hear that`
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`22:02.47`	`pompy`	`Xinhuan: wav*, not mp3`
`22:02.49`	`pompy`	`but still`
`22:03.10`	`pompy`	`Added support to export currently loaded VRF file as a WAV file.`
`22:03.24`	`Xinhuan`	`i gather you can't choose which format to output in?`
`22:03.46`	`NeoTron`	`easy to transcode from wav at least`
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`22:07.17`	`doom0r`	`Zhinjio: guess not, it got changed in auctioneer (only reference i have of its usage)`
`22:07.46`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, weird. I just changed it to match its parent frame. thats kind of lame though`
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`22:14.28`	`pompy`	`Xinhuan: there's an 'export' button and it lets you save as .wav`
`22:16.48`	`Xinhuan`	`can't find the button`
`22:18.38`	`Xinhuan`	`what version are u using`
`22:19.28`	`Zhinjio`	`doom0r: so buttonfacade is a good place to see more info on layeredregions?`
`22:19.39`	`doom0r`	`heh`
`22:19.42`	`doom0r`	`kinda`
`22:20.07`	`doom0r`	`i wouldn't say good, but thorough ;x`
`22:20.18`	`Zhinjio`	`that'll work`
`22:20.23`	`doom0r`	`all the stuff is stacked`
`22:20.27`	`doom0r`	`from what it seems`
`22:20.40`	`Zhinjio`	`trying to work within 7 framestrate is pretty damn limiting`
`22:20.56`	`Xinhuan`	`?_?`
`22:21.50`	`Shefki`	`You know about frame levels right?`
`22:22.18`	`Zhinjio`	`well, from what I've been reading framelevel is really the same as framestrata, just in numeric form`
`22:22.25`	`Shefki`	`No`
`22:22.27`	`Xinhuan`	`heck no Zhinjio`
`22:22.41`	`Zhinjio`	`well, thats the way it seems to be behaving`
`22:22.42`	`Shefki`	`Frame level is ordering of windows within the same strata.`
`22:22.50`	`nevcairiel`	`Strata is the big layers`
`22:22.56`	`Xinhuan`	`the UI has 7 stratas, each strata is strictly its own big layers`
`22:22.58`	`nevcairiel`	`level is withing the same strata`
`22:23.06`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`If you ever think, niveau on saturday evening TV shows cant get lower... something new comes along .... watching that live was hard ... seeing it on youtube ..doesnt make it better`
`22:23.06`	`FtH\|Daemona`	`http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mOftRwoKqH4`
`22:23.07`	`Xinhuan`	`within each strata, you can have many frames`
`22:23.08`	`Zhinjio`	`see, thats what I would have thought, but that wasn't the way its behaving. lemme try again.`
`22:23.11`	`Zhinjio`	`maybe I just did something wrong.`
`22:23.24`	`Xinhuan`	`each frame then can have a framelavel`
`22:23.25`	`Zhinjio`	`tries again.`
`22:23.56`	`Xinhuan`	`so a framelevel is to a strata, what a strata is to the whole UI drawing`
`22:24.09`	`Xinhuan`	`except you can have infinite framelevels`
`22:24.15`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, ok. I must have done something wrong.`
`22:24.23`	`Zhinjio`	`peers at the code again`
`22:24.52`	`Xinhuan`	`note that when a frame further has children, each children has its own set of framelevels`
`22:25.11`	`Zhinjio`	`ooo, that might be the issue.`
`22:25.29`	`Zhinjio`	`a child automatically has a framelevel relative to its parent, above it, right?`
`22:25.29`	`Xinhuan`	`that is, if frameA is above frameB in the same strata, then all children of A will be above B, since A is above B`
`22:25.47`	`Xinhuan`	`that is visually speaking, lets say you have a 16-slot bag, with 16 children buttons`
`22:25.56`	`Xinhuan`	`and a 22-slot bag with 22 children buttons`
`22:26.03`	`Xinhuan`	`if both bags are on the same framelevel`
`22:26.15`	`Xinhuan`	`then whichever bag is on top is the last one you clicked on`
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`22:26.29`	`Xinhuan`	`but all children buttons would be "together" with the bagparent`
`22:26.45`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, so answer me this then`
`22:26.59`	`Zhinjio`	`createframe a. parent is UIParent. strata DIALOG`
`22:27.04`	`Xinhuan`	`this is because of implicit frameleveling`
`22:27.10`	`Zhinjio`	`createframe b, parent is frame a strata DIALOG`
`22:27.16`	`Zhinjio`	`will b be above a?`
`22:27.21`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`22:27.24`	`Zhinjio`	`(assuming I do nothing with framelevels)`
`22:27.40`	`nevcairiel`	`a new frame is always parent-framelevel + 1`
`22:27.44`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, because when you assign parentship, the children has parentlvl+1`
`22:27.49`	`Zhinjio`	`nods.`
`22:27.56`	`Zhinjio`	`is it possible to force it below its parent?`
`22:28.14`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, change the framelevel`
`22:28.14`	`Xinhuan`	`to a number smaller than its parent`
`22:28.23`	`Zhinjio`	`ok. I thought I had.`
`22:28.24`	`Xinhuan`	`bigger number is on top`
`22:28.27`	`nevcairiel`	`However, remember that any :SetParent call will reset it to parent+1`
`22:28.28`	`Zhinjio`	`looks again.`
`22:28.35`	`Zhinjio`	`nods.`
`22:28.52`	`Xinhuan`	`also note that when a parent's framelevel is changed, ALL its children's framelevel's are also changed relatively`
`22:29.07`	`nevcairiel`	`that shouldnt matter for him`
`22:29.17`	`Zhinjio`	`I don't do an explicit SetParent... I let CreateFrame do it for me.`
`22:29.18`	`Xinhuan`	`that is, if A has framelevel 4, and B is 7, and A is B's parent`
`22:29.23`	`Xinhuan`	`if you change A to 10, then B changes to 13`
`22:29.30`	`Xinhuan`	`that is, framelevels remain relative`
`22:29.40`	`Xinhuan`	`but if you change B, A doesn't change`
`22:29.52`	`Zhinjio`	`A is 3, I create b (which should make it 4), I then SetFrameLevel (1)`
`22:29.58`	`Zhinjio`	`which should put it behind A`
`22:30.02`	`nevcairiel`	`indeed`
`22:30.03`	`Zhinjio`	`it doesn't seem to be.`
`22:30.07`	`Zhinjio`	`but I'm looking`
`22:30.28`	`Xinhuan`	`now to complicate things further, within the same framelevel, there are 5 more layers`
`22:30.47`	`Xinhuan`	`you know them as OVERLAY, BACKGROUND, HIGHLIGHT, ARTWORK and something`
`22:30.50`	`Zhinjio`	`is that where things like ARTWORK come in?`
`22:30.52`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah`
`22:31.02`	`nevcairiel`	`you can only access them with textures though`
`22:31.06`	`nevcairiel`	`frames dont work in that layer`
`22:31.29`	`Xinhuan`	`note that framelevels must be integers`
`22:31.33`	`Xinhuan`	`and positive`
`22:31.41`	`Xinhuan`	`if you assign floats, it rounds down towards 0`
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`22:32.06`	`Xinhuan`	`with some testing, i've found that framelevels work best if they are from 1..N levels with no holes`
`22:32.21`	`Xinhuan`	`if there are holes, say you have 500 framelevels in the range 1-10000`
`22:32.28`	`Xinhuan`	`then it will lag pretty hard rendering it`
`22:32.42`	`Zhinjio`	`I really only need about.... 5 or 6`
`22:33.18`	`Xinhuan`	`(this is from GatherHud testing, i have some 700 frames with framelevels set, so that in the 3d visualization, some nodes are in front)`
`22:34.07`	`Xinhuan`	`all frames on the same framelevel (in the same strata) are batch rendered in one pass`
`22:34.21`	`Xinhuan`	`so the less levels you have, the faster it is`
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`22:36.12`	`Xinhuan`	`in patch 3.0.8, blizzard added a :GetDepth() :GetEffectiveDepth() :SetDepth() :IgnoreDepth() and :IsIgnoringDepth() functions to all frames`
`22:36.18`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think anyone quite knows what they are for yet`
`22:37.06`	`nevcairiel`	`i do`
`22:37.20`	`Xinhuan`	`listens`
`22:37.26`	`nevcairiel`	`- World of Warcraft now supports 3-D imaging. Visit`
`22:37.26`	`nevcairiel`	`http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_Main.html for more`
`22:37.26`	`nevcairiel`	`information.`
`22:37.29`	`nevcairiel`	`^`
`22:37.57`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't see how the UI's 2D frames has anything to do with 3d-visualisation`
`22:38.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Apparently the UI is not bound to a 2D overlay`
`22:38.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`2d frames would probably hover above the 3d image?`
`22:38.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`stacked?`
`22:38.32`	`Zhinjio`	`interesting`
`22:38.44`	`Xinhuan`	`the only place that i can see it being used might be... on nameplates?`
`22:38.47`	`Zhinjio`	`newFrame:SetFrameLevel doesn't apear to be working.`
`22:38.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`stuff can be behind other stuff and still be visible from an angle?`
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`22:38.53`	`Zhinjio`	`its just getting assigned 0`
`22:38.58`	`doom0r`	`you serious?`
`22:39.14`	`Xinhuan`	`well like i said, the only place i can imagine it being used is nameplates`
`22:39.17`	`NeoTron`	`never thought how weird a 2D ui would look at in a 3D visualized world`
`22:39.22`	`doom0r`	`you can't imagine a frame floating visible behind another frame with a realistic vision of 3inches?`
`22:39.36`	`Xinhuan`	`i can, but only if its nameplates ;p`
`22:39.53`	`Xinhuan`	`since that's the only thing that is even remotely related to 3d`
`22:39.58`	`Xinhuan`	`Zhinjio, where/when are you setting the framelevel`
`22:40.17`	`Zao`	`I'd visualize the stratas as sheets of presentation transparencies.`
`22:40.19`	`doom0r`	`have you never used/saw compiz?`
`22:40.53`	`doom0r`	`watched anything with 3d interfaces?`
`22:41.00`	`Xinhuan`	`also, framelevels can fail if the frame and its parent are on different stratas`
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`22:41.35`	`Zhinjio`	`I'll pastey in a second. doing one more test.`
`22:41.39`	`Xinhuan`	`your CreateFrame might not be creating the frame on the same strata as the thing you parent it to`
`22:41.47`	`Xinhuan`	`CreateFrame defaults to MEDIUM (i think)`
`22:42.03`	`Zhinjio`	`I checked the framestrata... they were both set to DIALOG`
`22:42.32`	`nevcairiel`	`CreateFrame usually does it`
`22:42.35`	`Xinhuan`	`DIALOG strata is special btw`
`22:42.40`	`nevcairiel`	`SetParent doesnt though`
`22:45.45`	`Xinhuan`	`i mean it defaults to MEDIUM if no parent is specified :)`
`22:46.00`	`Xinhuan`	`otherwise it defaults to PARENT strata`
`22:46.40`	`harl`	`how do i stop Karma from virtually blocking my manually entered /who requests?`
`22:46.49`	`Zhinjio`	`Xinhuan: btw, just found earlier: "PARENT" is no longer a valid argument to SetFrameStrata()`
`22:46.49`	`Xinhuan`	`uninstall it`
`22:47.01`	`Xinhuan`	`don't use it`
`22:47.10`	`harl`	`Xinhuan: very.. original.`
`22:47.12`	`Xinhuan`	`just getstrata on the parent and use it heh`
`22:47.23`	`Xinhuan`	`harl, not much you can do about it`
`22:47.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm being serious`
`22:47.30`	`Zhinjio`	`gah, with a couple debug lines in there, its now working grin`
`22:47.43`	`Shefki`	`How do I get as many achievement points as Xinhuan`
`22:47.44`	`Xinhuan`	`if an addon is issuing a /who, there's no way you can intercept the 5 sec cooldown on /who requests`
`22:48.00`	`Xinhuan`	`since the cooldown is server controlled`
`22:48.17`	`Xinhuan`	`the server just ignores it until cooldown is over`
`22:48.36`	`Xinhuan`	`so the only way your /who request would go thru is if your addon stores your manual /who request and queues it`
`22:48.36`	`Shefki`	`The /who request cooldown is stupid.`
`22:48.41`	`Shefki`	`At least as long as it is.`
`22:48.47`	`Shefki`	`I run into it when I make a typo.`
`22:48.56`	`doom0r`	`why?`
`22:49.00`	`Xinhuan`	`and on top of that, implement logic not to hide the /who replies for your manual /who`
`22:49.06`	`Xinhuan`	`in short, uninstall it`
`22:49.10`	`harl`	`Xinhuan: it didn't do that before. but since i've used the "showonline" search thing once, half of my /who requests just won't work, even though Karma says that it stops its own requests when the social frames are opened.`
`22:49.17`	`doom0r`	`i personally dont' like asshat gold spammers whispering me the moment i log in`
`22:49.46`	`Shefki`	`Degrading service is never the answer to spam.`
`22:49.47`	`Xinhuan`	`well when you type /who blah, or shift click on a name, that certainly doesn't open the social pane`
`22:50.04`	`doom0r`	`is it reallys o bad?`
`22:50.26`	`Xinhuan`	`its bad enough that if 2 addons try to do it at the same time, you end up with disastrous results`
`22:50.27`	`Shefki`	`I run into it all the time when I'm just trying to find out what guild people in a group are in and stuff like that.`
`22:50.32`	`Shefki`	`So yes it sucks.`
`22:50.40`	`harl`	`Xinhuan: it virtually does when the social frame is already open, but though Karma says that it stopped its own requests, any of my own /who's won't work.`
`22:50.40`	`Xinhuan`	`and hence "WhoLib" is born`
`22:50.45`	`doom0r`	`it's not even just that, it's the cost to run xUsers x yRequests`
`22:50.46`	`Shefki`	`A better solution than a 5 second cooldown would be a slidling cooldown.`
`22:50.58`	`Shefki`	`The more requests you make in a short time the longer the cooldown.`
`22:50.59`	`harl`	`is there an alternative to Karma that doesn't use any website or whatever`
`22:51.04`	`harl`	`+?`
`22:51.13`	`Shefki`	`Average users would never run into it and spammers would be even more limited by it than they are now.`
`22:51.29`	`doom0r`	`that increases cost`
`22:53.09`	`harl`	`i don't want Karma to /who anything anyway, since i don't see why i would or what its search frame it actually good for.`
`22:53.30`	`harl`	`i've mainly used Karma for recognizing people whom i've already grouped-up with at least once anyway.`
`22:53.34`	`Shefki`	`doom0r: I find it hard to believe that /who is a terribly expensive operation. If it is they should fix it.`
`22:53.54`	`doom0r`	`no, what you're implying would be compared to what it is`
`22:53.55`	`doom0r`	`scaled`
`22:54.50`	`doom0r`	`scaling vs flat rate`
`22:54.51`	`Shefki`	`How so? Because the server has to track different cooldowns for different clients?`
`22:55.20`	`Shefki`	`You don't think GMs and other privleged users don't already get different restrictions or none at all?`
`22:55.43`	`doom0r`	`what's your point?`
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`22:55.54`	`Repo`	`prevent patterns to be updated in when the library is loaded twice.`
`22:56.11`	`doom0r`	`one person can do it, so everyone doing it won't increase load?`
`22:56.50`	`nevcairiel`	`imho /who can cause alot of traffic from the server to the client if you get a big result`
`22:56.52`	`nevcairiel`	`so they limit it`
`22:57.03`	`Shefki`	`I'm fine with limitations.`
`22:57.08`	`Shefki`	`5 seconds is too long.`
`22:57.33`	`nevcairiel`	`how often do you /who? =P`
`22:58.23`	`Shefki`	`Often enough to notice it and be annoyed by it. If I run a PUG I typically /who everyone in it to figure out what guild they're in.`
`22:58.29`	`Shefki`	`4 people that takes 20 seconds.`
`22:58.49`	`doom0r`	`i just mouse over the UF`
`22:58.51`	`nevcairiel`	`write yourself a script to UnitGuild them :)`
`22:59.05`	`Shefki`	`Doesn't work if you're not in range.`
`22:59.49`	`Shefki`	`I join a group, they're spread out all over the world. I'm flying to the instance. I'd like to see what guild they're in.`
`23:00.00`	`Shefki`	`Only way I know of that works is /who`
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`23:05.20`	`nevcairiel`	`@project project-14090`
`23:05.22`	`Repo`	`nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-14090/. GnomeDust. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. (Automatic) Abandoned since out-of-date for 60 days.. lilsparky (Manager/Author). Updated: 65 seconds ago`
`23:10.36`	`sylvanaar`	`how many healers do you thing for 10 man 3D 2 or 3?`
`23:10.56`	`Shefki`	`2`
`23:11.02`	`sylvanaar`	`thats what i think too`
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`23:11.11`	`Stanzilla`	`we did it with 3 healers and 3 tanks`
`23:11.17`	`Stanzilla`	`but thats not good :P`
`23:11.26`	`sylvanaar`	`what is your average dps'ers dps`
`23:11.32`	`sylvanaar`	`for that fight`
`23:11.33`	`Stanzilla`	`4k`
`23:11.36`	`sylvanaar`	`ok`
`23:11.49`	`sylvanaar`	`when i look at wws parses i see lots of 6k`
`23:12.02`	`Stanzilla`	`warriors and bombing classes`
`23:12.12`	`Stanzilla`	`(welps)`
`23:12.17`	`sylvanaar`	`single target classes`
`23:12.25`	`Stanzilla`	`warriors then :P`
`23:13.00`	`sylvanaar`	`well before they fixed HaT rogues were def getting 6k dps. idk i havent looked much since the patch`
`23:13.51`	`NeoTron`	`we had our best attempts with 3/3/4 but it's definitely limiting to only have 4dps`
`23:14.02`	`NeoTron`	`i've seen somewhere that with sufficient DPS 2/2/6 is the best option`
`23:14.28`	`NeoTron`	`but you'd need sufficient DPS to burn down a drake before the next one lands and your add tank will be amazingly overwhelped (typo intended)`
`23:15.06`	`NeoTron`	`one good option is to do 3T/2H/4D/1Elemental for example. The elemental dps on the first, maybe 2nd drake and then heals.`
`23:15.35`	`Repo`	`10gathermate: 03Nevcairiel * r646 Locales (2 files in 1 directory): Localization updates`
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`23:23.04`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`23:23.08`	`vfx0`	`6 DPS on sarth 3drakes 10man?`
`23:23.12`	`vfx0`	`6k I mean`
`23:23.19`	`vfx0`	`not any casters then I presume`
`23:24.33`	`Chompers`	`oh hey there ckknight`
`23:24.43`	`ckknight`	`I'm in Windows`
`23:24.45`	`ckknight`	`everything is so alien`
`23:24.59`	`EvilJohn`	`if someone tells you to press ALT-F4, ignore them.`
`23:25.05`	`ckknight`	`what's alt-f4 do?`
`23:25.06`	`ckknight`	`tries`
`23:25.09`	`EvilJohn`	`noooooooo`
`23:25.09`	`ckknight`	`:P`
`23:25.14`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`23:25.16`	`EvilJohn`	`heh`
`23:25.20`	`EvilJohn`	`my work here is done!`
`23:25.20`	`the-golem`	`lmao`
`23:25.32`	`the-golem`	`ckknight: i almost fell outta my chair`
`23:25.36`	`the-golem`	`too funny`
`23:25.40`	`ckknight`	`question`
`23:25.47`	`ckknight`	`regarding http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1233008268467.jpg`
`23:26.01`	`EvilJohn`	`chinese buffet?`
`23:26.01`	`ckknight`	`doesn't that dog just look delicious?`
`23:26.09`	`the-golem`	`lmao`
`23:26.14`	`ckknight`	`my parents have the same kind of dog`
`23:26.19`	`ckknight`	`it's a cavalier king charles spaniel`
`23:26.21`	`Chompers`	`id eat that dog`
`23:26.30`	`EvilJohn`	`doesn't look like much meat on that thing`
`23:26.32`	`ckknight`	`I constantly told my parents that once she got old, that she'd be a great feast`
`23:26.40`	`ckknight`	`EvilJohn, yea, you gotta grow em right`
`23:26.44`	`EvilJohn`	`like eating a squirrel`
`23:26.47`	`ckknight`	`also, it'd be better to raise Great Danes for food`
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`23:26.55`	`Repo`	`-WEB! added workaround for older versions of php`
`23:26.56`	`EvilJohn`	`clearly.`
`23:26.58`	`the-golem`	`prolly make a good stew`
`23:26.58`	`Repo`	`-added coin icons`
`23:27.03`	`the-golem`	`>.>`
`23:27.19`	`ckknight`	`in any event, the reason we don't eat dogs is because they're pets and we equate eating them with cannibalism`
`23:27.25`	`ckknight`	`I'd really have no problem eating dog meat`
`23:27.30`	`ckknight`	`no worse than cow meat or pig meat`
`23:27.33`	`ckknight`	`which are both delicious`
`23:27.42`	`Repo`	`10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm * r9 / (3 files in 1 directory): Broker_ChannelWatch`
`23:27.43`	`EvilJohn`	`mmmm cow`
`23:27.45`	`Repo`	`-added deDE`
`23:27.55`	`EvilJohn`	`I dunno how dog would taste`
`23:27.58`	`EvilJohn`	`probably pretty good`
`23:28.02`	`EvilJohn`	`as well as we treat our pets`
`23:28.12`	`Repo`	`10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm 04v2.2 * r37 : Tagging as v2.2`
`23:28.55`	`ckknight`	`yea, as long as you feed it the right stuff to make it a good feast`
`23:28.58`	`vfx0`	`is the draenai 1% hit racial group/raidwide?`
`23:29.00`	`Zhinjio`	`I don't suppose anyone has TexCoord rotation numbers handy, eh?`
`23:29.01`	`ckknight`	`not sure if standard dog food qualifies`
`23:29.09`	`Zhinjio`	`(rotate left 90, right 90, etc)`
`23:29.12`	`ckknight`	`Zhinjio, knowledge is power`
`23:29.20`	`ckknight`	`it's on wowwiki, though`
`23:29.23`	`ckknight`	`some examples`
`23:29.24`	`Zhinjio`	`k`
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`23:30.04`	`Zhinjio`	`got it, thanks`
`23:33.49`	`Repo`	`10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm 04v1.3 * r10 : Tagging as v1.3`
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`23:35.06`	`Repo`	`10libunitid: 03taleden * r9 / (4 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 7 lines)`
`23:35.09`	`Repo`	`- new API method GetSupportedUnitIDs() to... wait for it... get the supported UnitIDs`
`23:35.12`	`Repo`	`- callbacks may now be registered as strings, to be resolved as methods of their handler table`
`23:35.16`	`Repo`	`- a callback may now be registered multiple times with different handlers`
`23:35.18`	`Repo`	`- unregistering a callback now requires the handler, to determine which callback/handler pair to unregister`
`23:35.32`	`ckknight`	`taleden, hope you fully documented your library`
`23:35.42`	`ckknight`	`lest you get the smackdown from the documentation gods`
`23:35.51`	`taleden`	`ckknight: you're welcome to have a look and tell me what you think :)`
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`23:36.02`	`ckknight`	`I would, but I'm in windows`
`23:36.03`	`taleden`	`the public api is luadoc'd, there's an API page on the project`
`23:36.06`	`ckknight`	`it's scary and I'm cold`
`23:36.12`	`taleden`	`windows is scary`
`23:36.14`	`taleden`	`and cold`
`23:36.27`	`ckknight`	`@project libunitid`
`23:36.28`	`Repo`	`ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libunitid/. LibUnitID. Game: WoW. Status: Under Review. Arrowmaster. taleden (Manager/Author). Updated: 76 seconds ago`
`23:36.33`	`doom0r`	`that's what ctrl-f4 is for`
`23:36.46`	`taleden`	`arrowmaster had reservations about it being useful`
`23:37.02`	`taleden`	`I talked to him and xinhuan last night, dunno if he's convinced yet`
`23:37.17`	`Xinhuan`	`i think you should get ck's opinion`
`23:37.32`	`taleden`	`ckk: xin wants me to get your opinion`
`23:37.42`	`taleden`	`when you come back in from the cold, I suppose =D`
`23:37.51`	`Xinhuan`	`i think it'll be somewhat useful`
`23:38.13`	`Xinhuan`	`but do not expect authors to be converting existing addons to use it`
`23:38.18`	`taleden`	`xinhuan: this build has better analysis, feel free to give it a whirl and see what kind of numbers you get :)`
`23:38.36`	`taleden`	`I'm not, but I also don't see why they wouldn't want to`
`23:38.49`	`Xinhuan`	`because it takes effort`
`23:38.55`	`taleden`	`not much`
`23:38.58`	`Xinhuan`	`and then another addition 1-2 weeks of testing`
`23:39.04`	`taleden`	`mostly deleting code that the lib handles instead`
`23:39.18`	`Xinhuan`	`not necessarily true`
`23:39.28`	`taleden`	`I'm planning to try patching my copy of xperl to use it and see what happens`
`23:39.33`	`Repo`	`10broker_transit: 03StormFX * r45 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Update frFR (whynona2)`
`23:39.36`	`Repo`	`- Add Lunar Festival Invitation`
`23:39.58`	`Xinhuan`	`in omen, i keep a table containing the guids (as keys) of all raid/party/pets`
`23:40.13`	`Xinhuan`	`so even if i use your library, i still need to maintain this table myself`
`23:40.26`	`Xinhuan`	`that is, if a guid leaves the raid, i need to update correspondingly`
`23:40.31`	`taleden`	`yes, but in a way that's where something like this shines`
`23:40.43`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm quite sure you don't have a callback for that`
`23:40.45`	`taleden`	`if a guid doesn't leave the raid but changes unitids, its easier to see that and avoid throwing away your cached data with these batched callbacks`
`23:40.54`	`doom0r`	`lol, these horde are working their ass off to kill omen and i just sit here, and when they're done, run into the light and gg quest done`
`23:40.55`	`taleden`	`what kind of callback would you need`
`23:41.00`	`Xinhuan`	`that's hard to say`
`23:41.08`	`Xinhuan`	`because i already batch my caching`
`23:41.23`	`Xinhuan`	`since your callbacks isn't batched, it may not be advantagous`
`23:42.02`	`taleden`	`well, maybe i'll try patching my copy of omen too and see what happens =D`
`23:42.23`	`taleden`	`seems to me in most cases it should be possible to just not register an event like P_T_C,`
`23:42.29`	`taleden`	`instead register that existing callback func with the library`
`23:42.44`	`Xinhuan`	`what's P_T_C`
`23:42.45`	`taleden`	`and inside, make a UnitGUID local that points to the library instead of the API upvalue`
`23:42.48`	`taleden`	`player-target-changed`
`23:42.49`	`Xinhuan`	`i onlu use P_M_C`
`23:42.49`	`taleden`	`as an example`
`23:42.52`	`Xinhuan`	`only*`
`23:42.54`	`taleden`	`sure, P_M_C then`
`23:42.58`	`taleden`	`same concept`
`23:43.08`	`taleden`	`maybe it won't work, we'll see, but i'll try it anyway`
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`23:43.32`	`Xinhuan`	`well, the premise here you are trying to argue is that your callback is faster than me registering for P_T_C directly`
`23:43.45`	`taleden`	`not exactly`
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`23:43.57`	`taleden`	`I don't claim the callback mechanism itself is faster, I haven't tested that`
`23:44.11`	`taleden`	`I do claim that using the lib's callbacks allows you to use the lib's cache instead of the API's UnitGUID(), which is faster`
`23:44.13`	`taleden`	`by 2-3x`
`23:44.24`	`Xinhuan`	`also, if you want to benchmark omen - you will need to install it completely disembedded`
`23:44.26`	`taleden`	`so it'll depend how many UnitGUID calls there are that get that boost, whether the work si worth it`
`23:44.28`	`Xinhuan`	`then embed your lib into omen`
`23:44.33`	`Xinhuan`	`and compare cpu differences`
`23:44.48`	`Xinhuan`	`and even then that's quite hard to benchmark`
`23:44.55`	`Xinhuan`	`since every given fight is different`
`23:45.03`	`taleden`	`sure`
`23:45.12`	`taleden`	`no, I grant it's not an overwhelming advantage, and existing addons might not want to bother`
`23:45.17`	`taleden`	`shrug we'll see`
`23:45.31`	`taleden`	`I still think it's potentially useful for new addons that don't already ahve time invested in their own caching and event handling`
`23:45.40`	`Xinhuan`	`oh i agree with you`
`23:45.48`	`taleden`	`arrowmater was not convinced =D`
`23:45.52`	`Xinhuan`	`but i'm saying that i wouldn't bother converting existing addons`
`23:45.58`	`taleden`	`and that tag on the project page is really ominous.. "Abnormal Status!"`
`23:46.40`	`Xinhuan`	`note also that`
`23:46.55`	`Xinhuan`	`just because you provide all the stuff for unitIDs, doesn't mean i can unregister P_M_C`
`23:47.12`	`Xinhuan`	`for eg, there is code to auto show/hide omen when you join/leave a raid`
`23:47.23`	`Xinhuan`	`and P_M_C is still required to check these changes`
`23:47.26`	`taleden`	`yes, but when you join/leave a raid, at least one raid id will change`
`23:47.27`	`taleden`	`if only "raid1"`
`23:47.38`	`taleden`	`so if you register all the raid ids with one callback, that callback will get fired when you join/leave`
`23:47.50`	`Xinhuan`	`that's excessive :)`
`23:48.06`	`taleden`	`why?`
`23:48.27`	`Xinhuan`	`because all i need to check is the number of people in the raid/group`
`23:48.48`	`Xinhuan`	`there's 2 completely different issues here`
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`23:49.13`	`Xinhuan`	`1. you proved lib:unitguid() is faster that wow's unitguid -- this has speedups`
`23:49.17`	`Xinhuan`	`i agree`
`23:49.28`	`Xinhuan`	`2. however, this has completely nothing to do with callbacks`
`23:49.54`	`taleden`	`you're right, those are separate topics, and I thought we were only talking about callbacks just now :)`
`23:50.11`	`taleden`	`my point is, anything you want to do in reaction to P_M_C is effectively also in reaction to a party or raid unitid changing`
`23:50.23`	`Xinhuan`	`that is to say, omen isn't interested in what changed, i'm only interested in maintaining a table of guid->name and guid->class lookups`
`23:50.24`	`taleden`	`so if you want to register P_M_C separately with a special callback just for that, great`
`23:50.39`	`taleden`	`but there's no reason you couldn't put the same logic in your party-unitid-changed callback from the lib`
`23:50.54`	`Xinhuan`	`you can, but it will be slower because of added lib overhead`
`23:51.09`	`taleden`	`if you're registering your event via aceevent and cbh, then no, same overhead I think`
`23:51.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont see the point of optimizing a P_M_C event`
`23:51.30`	`Xinhuan`	`if omen were to write its own event handler, i gaurantee it will be faster than using ace-event`
`23:51.38`	`Xinhuan`	`but i use aceevent because its convenient`
`23:51.39`	`taleden`	`so if you care, do that :)`
`23:51.47`	`taleden`	`and you could use the lib because its convenient too`
`23:51.48`	`Shefki`	`Indeed P_M_C is fired based on player initiated changes.`
`23:52.04`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, but see, convenience is based on when you write the code`
`23:52.06`	`ckknight`	`taleden, I'm not convinced of the usefulness either, but it seems intriguing, and you've documented everything`
`23:52.15`	`Xinhuan`	`right now, its inconvenient to convert code`
`23:52.29`	`Xinhuan`	`to use your lib, or to convert aceevent code into my own internal faster event handlers`
`23:52.38`	`taleden`	`I don't dispute that`
`23:52.51`	`taleden`	`I think this conversation started because you wanted to refute something I didn't actually say :)`
`23:53.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`and i dont see the benfit of a faster unitguid call if you are calling it only when you need to`
`23:53.32`	`taleden`	`but the point is many addons don't`
`23:53.36`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll put the lib down as "there is potential gains", and it is more of a convenience library than anything else`
`23:53.43`	`taleden`	`if you try the standalone version of the lib and run the analysis that i've been running you will see the same numbers`
`23:53.48`	`Xinhuan`	`for example, SpecialEvents Auras is a convenient lib`
`23:53.53`	`taleden`	`100-1000x as many unitguid calls as the lib has to do to maintain its cache`
`23:54.04`	`taleden`	`right`
`23:54.19`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll probably go as far as to say specialevents code isn't really faster or even fast at all`
`23:54.25`	`Xinhuan`	`but its there, and convenient`
`23:54.33`	`taleden`	`and that's the main purpose of this lib`
`23:54.40`	`taleden`	`the performance gain is secondary, a bonus`
`23:54.45`	`Xinhuan`	`and hence i'm not objecting to the lib`
`23:55.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`specialevents aura code is horible afaik`
`23:56.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`im in the middle of a heroic and cant really talk much`
`23:58.02`	`orionshock`	`how does one go about opening a tradeskill link?`
`23:58.13`	`Xinhuan`	`orionshock - by clicking on it`
`23:58.29`	`orionshock`	`programatically ofc :P`
`23:58.31`	`Xinhuan`	`it counts as casting a spell (such as "/cast enchanting") to open the panel`
`23:58.36`	`Xinhuan`	`so it cannot be done programmatically`
`23:59.08`	`Xinhuan`	`go try it, /cast Tailoring will open the tailoring panel`

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