| 00:01.10 | rapidgame | anyway to start a countdown in lua, so that after a certain amount of time a function will run if it hasn't been stopped? |
| 00:01.21 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:01.37 | Arrowmaster | you have to use onupdates for that |
| 00:01.50 | Arrowmaster | i suggest you look at AceTimer-3.0 |
| 00:02.02 | rapidgame | thanks |
| 00:02.20 | Repo | 10broker_transit: 03StormFX * r47 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Revert changes. Gonna do it slightly different. >.< |
| 00:06.12 | Camci | does sharemedia got a command or something to check the options and stuff? :p |
| 00:06.38 | Arrowmaster | you mean libsharedmedia-3.0? |
| 00:07.09 | Camci | i think so? i just updated it and it suddenly changed my eepanels colour and stuff |
| 00:07.31 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt have any options |
| 00:08.15 | Camci | how do i change it back then? and how do i change fonts on stuff? |
| 00:08.28 | Camci | never used it before so :p |
| 00:08.32 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 00:08.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont know what happened |
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| 00:09.33 | tamaroth_ | hmm, what methods i have to call on my EditBox so it will be visible and will look normally ? |
| 00:10.06 | tamaroth_ | i've set height, width, point, backdropcolor and backdrop |
| 00:10.13 | tamaroth_ | but i can't see what i'm typing in it ;\ |
| 00:10.40 | Arrowmaster | how did you create the editbox? |
| 00:10.43 | Arrowmaster | xml or lua |
| 00:10.54 | tamaroth_ | lua |
| 00:11.02 | Arrowmaster | did you use any templetes? |
| 00:11.06 | tamaroth_ | nope |
| 00:11.11 | Arrowmaster | you should |
| 00:11.23 | tamaroth_ | mmm, where can i find list of templates then ? |
| 00:11.43 | Bruners | [Ammo]: wtb Fishbringer support for auto lures in FishermansFriend |
| 00:12.27 | Arrowmaster | i think ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate is a good template |
| 00:13.00 | taleden | so, since old.wowace.com is still awol, what's the syntax to put a validation function on a text input field in aceoptions? is it just "validate=function(thatspecialtable, usersattemptedvalue)...end" ? |
| 00:13.12 | tamaroth_ | Arrowmaster: where you get names of those templates ? |
| 00:13.15 | taleden | or am I required to do it as a regex? |
| 00:13.20 | Arrowmaster | tamaroth_: framexml |
| 00:13.26 | thul | sorry for the delay Bruners :-P http://fc30.deviantart.com/fs40/i/2009/033/7/2/Winter_Morning_by_cainadamsson.jpg |
| 00:13.37 | Arrowmaster | taleden: it takes a table or a function i think |
| 00:13.49 | taleden | do you recall what the function signature is, and what it should return? |
| 00:13.55 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 00:14.15 | taleden | wtb old.wowace.com/wiki/Ace* => wowace.com/projects/ace3/pages |
| 00:18.31 | Bruners | is 100g for a onyxia boost to much to ask ? |
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| 00:21.04 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Dessa * r32 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: update deDE for the 3.0.8 FAP change |
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| 00:53.24 | CrazyBenny | Ackis: remove the addonloader stuff from ARL please, when it loads with opening skillet the Scan button doesnt show, and when it does it doesnt show the ARL frame after clicking it. So have to close tradeskill window and reopen it to make ARL work properly :S |
| 00:55.04 | End | But...Ackis didn't add it in the first place! ;-) |
| 00:56.11 | CrazyBenny | ugh |
| 00:57.11 | End | I'm sure he'll remove it though |
| 00:57.26 | End | since if it's causing problems |
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| 01:01.03 | rapidgame | oh noes |
| 01:01.14 | rapidgame | i think im still doing it wrong |
| 01:01.35 | rapidgame | Arrowmaster, you still online |
| 01:09.15 | Kuja^ | CrazyBenny: huh, works for me here, the scan button is just misplaced nowm but it still works as expected |
| 01:09.30 | Kuja^ | s/wm/w, |
| 01:14.12 | Arrowmaster | rapidgame: what |
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| 01:20.03 | rapidgame | Arrowmaster: well, can you have a look at the #curseforge channel and see if I updated my repo properly this time,? |
| 01:20.13 | Arrowmaster | you did |
| 01:20.28 | rapidgame | thanks :-) |
| 01:20.45 | rapidgame | what back btw? |
| 01:20.49 | rapidgame | *what's |
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| 01:30.11 | CrazyBenny | Kuja^: you're opening default tradeskill frame? it sure doesnt work for me with Skillet |
| 01:30.44 | Kuja^ | im using skillet |
| 01:30.52 | CrazyBenny | hmm, weird |
| 01:30.58 | Funkeh` | how long for heroes |
| 01:31.05 | Funkeh` | is it on in usa now or been and done |
| 01:32.09 | Arrowmaster | is it on at 8 or 9? |
| 01:32.42 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster, 9/8c |
| 01:33.14 | Arrowmaster | its only 8:30 right now |
| 01:33.35 | Funkeh` | meh |
| 01:33.43 | Funkeh` | need to find something to watch to kill until then |
| 01:34.03 | Funkeh` | WTF WITHT HE LATEST BATTLESTAR EPISODE CLIFFHANGER |
| 01:34.34 | Funkeh` | They should all rot in hell |
| 01:35.04 | Zhinjio | buh |
| 01:35.08 | Kuja^ | CrazyBenny: fun fact: since that, wow don't crit errors out anymore when i press x on skillet :o i never thought its related to ARL... |
| 01:35.48 | Funkeh` | Zhinjio, ? |
| 01:36.44 | CrazyBenny | Kuja^: it never did, not now nor before :P |
| 01:37.00 | Kuja^ | its just... strange |
| 01:37.11 | CrazyBenny | yes, very |
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| 01:38.20 | Hjalte | Funkeh`: You need to do like me, watch old shows. Then you can watch all of it when you want :P |
| 01:38.39 | Funkeh` | yeah wel I just finished through enterprise again |
| 01:38.49 | Funkeh` | and not sure where to go |
| 01:40.16 | HunterZ0 | anyone else having issues with the curse client refusing to install addon updates atm? |
| 01:40.46 | Zhinjio | Torhal: ping |
| 01:45.17 | Hjalte | HunterZ0: Which version are you using? |
| 01:45.35 | HunterZ0 | Hjalte: 2.0.0.14 |
| 01:46.26 | HunterZ0 | rebooting brb |
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| 01:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | So, Baggins question. Anyone know a good rule setup to get Raw Tradeskill mats, but not any of the crafted-items-used-as-mats? (ie, health/mana pots) apologies if you saw this question twice. ;) |
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| 02:01.32 | ulic | for anyone that cares, I'm using the beta of the CC 2.1 or what not, and it's throwing in error about a corrupt download, it looks like it's trying to fetch a new version of itself when it says this. |
| 02:02.08 | Hjalte | ulic: You using 2.1.1.10 or did it update to 2.1.1.11 ? |
| 02:03.14 | ulic | lemme see if I can tell before it crashes :) |
| 02:03.45 | HunterZ0 | should i bother trying the new CC beta or is it a mess? |
| 02:03.51 | ulic | 2.1.1.10 |
| 02:04.00 | Hjalte | HunterZ0: Newest one performs fine, for me at least. |
| 02:04.04 | ulic | HunterZ0: most of the time it seems work for fine for me. |
| 02:04.10 | ulic | except right now :) |
| 02:04.11 | Hjalte | ulic: Then it it probably trying to update. |
| 02:04.15 | HunterZ0 | they must have broken something server-side with 2.0.0.14 so i guess i have nothing to lose |
| 02:04.33 | ulic | HunterZ0: you always have something to lose |
| 02:04.41 | ulic | back up your addons folder just in case :) |
| 02:05.03 | Hjalte | ulic: You could try uninstalling it and using this as well as HunterZ0: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/files/15-curse-client-2-1-1-11-full-installer/ |
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| 02:05.36 | ulic | Hjalte: I'll make note of that url, but probably just not worry about tonight, my time to play is limited :) |
| 02:05.57 | HunterZ0 | thanks i'll take a look |
| 02:11.29 | HunterZ0 | Hjalte: the link on that page is giving me 404 not found error |
| 02:12.00 | HunterZ0 | looks like 2.1.1.11 was pulled. going to try a previous version from http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/files/ |
| 02:12.03 | Hjalte | HunterZ0: Sigh. You should probably yell at Kaelten or someone about that. |
| 02:12.39 | Zhinjio | I'm pretty sure any new version is going to try to auto-update itself |
| 02:12.42 | HunterZ0 | they're all on IRC :p |
| 02:13.07 | HunterZ0 | ugh they're all giving 404 errors |
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| 02:14.03 | HunterZ0 | who else besides kaelten could fix it? |
| 02:15.02 | Hjalte | Uh, ckknight perhaps. I don't see Kolie in the #curseforge channel, I know he's also working on the client. |
| 02:15.15 | HunterZ0 | maybe that's why the release version isn't updating my addons - they might all be broken links atm too |
| 02:15.52 | Torhal | Zhinjio: pong |
| 02:15.57 | Hjalte | HunterZ0: Did you try 2.0.1.0.RC1 which is in the channel topic? I don't know the state of that. |
| 02:16.10 | HunterZ0 | Hjalte: a while ago, yeah. it's a mess. |
| 02:16.20 | HunterZ0 | i think the problem is server-side though |
| 02:17.25 | Hjalte | I'm pulling down addons with the latest beta, but they might have disabled it or something for your version. |
| 02:17.48 | HunterZ0 | possibly |
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| 02:18.01 | HunterZ0 | although it's fishy that i can't pull files off of curseforge |
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| 02:19.17 | Hjalte | Neither can I. |
| 02:19.30 | Hjalte | Not the CC files at least. |
| 02:19.43 | Torhal | Actually... |
| 02:20.00 | Torhal | My client auto-updated to 2.1.1.11 beta 1 |
| 02:20.04 | Torhal | And it says I have updates |
| 02:20.14 | Torhal | When I try to install them, it says the file could not be found on the server |
| 02:20.30 | HunterZ0 | ^ |
| 02:22.45 | Hjalte | Torhal: What happens if you try and install a new addon? |
| 02:23.01 | Torhal | Well, I don't know. Lemme try. |
| 02:23.04 | quiescens | the world ends! |
| 02:23.07 | quiescens | don't do it! |
| 02:23.37 | HunterZ0 | *kaboom* |
| 02:24.11 | Torhal | Same deal. |
| 02:24.15 | Torhal | Not found on server. |
| 02:24.49 | Hjalte | Torhal: That's really weird. My Curse Client works fine. I just installed Closetgnome and I updated a few libraries some hours ago. |
| 02:25.08 | Torhal | Some hours ago ~= now. |
| 02:25.12 | Torhal | Anywho: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=264548#post264548 |
| 02:25.16 | HunterZ0 | try again |
| 02:26.23 | Hjalte | Argh! |
| 02:26.27 | Hjalte | My internet has borken |
| 02:26.45 | Hjalte | I just tried to download from the wowace project pages, and I couldn't. |
| 02:27.08 | Torhal | Nobody can. |
| 02:27.21 | Torhal | the tubez r borken |
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| 02:28.06 | Hjalte | Hmm. I just downloaded AuctionLite with 2.1.1.11, it was the addon I couldn't download from the project page. |
| 02:31.38 | HunterZ0 | grats? |
| 02:32.15 | Hjalte | Thanks. I'm just wondering why I can, but Torhal is using the same client and can't. |
| 02:34.36 | Hjalte | It's not completely working though. It keeps eating my LibTourist-3.0 which is really weird. It just dissappears. |
| 02:37.36 | HunterZ0 | must...update...addons /twitch |
| 02:40.15 | wallen | does any one have a working link for the CC 2.1.1.11 Full Installer version? The one on CF 404s |
| 02:41.31 | Torhal | Try an earlier version - which auto-updates to latest. |
| 02:41.41 | Torhal | Though I doubt you'll be able to download anything. |
| 02:41.44 | Torhal | Zhinjio: noob. |
| 02:42.42 | HunterZ0 | ALL files on curseforge and wowace are 404ing atm |
| 02:42.45 | HunterZ0 | no workaround |
| 02:43.05 | wallen | indeed |
| 02:43.44 | Zhinjio | Torhal: baby duty atm. hope to have time later |
| 02:43.52 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Alrighty. |
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| 02:47.53 | cloudwolf | does any one know of a good example of frame elements such as title buttons checkboxes and editboxes? |
| 02:48.04 | cloudwolf | that doesn't involve slogging through a huge amount of code |
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| 02:57.15 | HunterZ0 | static.wowace.com and static.curseforge.net are now stalling on me when i try to (re)load pages |
| 02:57.20 | Repo | 10broker-reagents: 03Rabbit * r3 reagents.lua: Bugfix. |
| 02:57.50 | Torhal | HunterZ0: Well, old.wowace.com has been down all day. Makes me wonder if they're not doing some kinda server maintenance without warning. |
| 02:57.56 | Torhal | Or if it's HAXX! |
| 02:59.22 | quiescens | reported |
| 03:01.49 | HunterZ0 | "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." |
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| 03:03.04 | Torhal | ckknight: Fix nao? |
| 03:03.15 | Torhal | The natives are restless, it seems. |
| 03:03.59 | ckknight | should be fixed |
| 03:04.09 | vhaarr | ~seen nymbia |
| 03:04.12 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 36d 1h 49m 24s ago, saying: 'sherpentshrine cavern ;)'. |
| 03:08.19 | HunterZ0 | ckknight: getting server timeouts instead of 404s now |
| 03:08.29 | ckknight | hmm |
| 03:08.30 | taleden | yeah. old.wowace.com is still awol |
| 03:08.30 | ckknight | okay |
| 03:08.31 | HunterZ0 | nm there it goes |
| 03:08.38 | HunterZ0 | must just be people flooding the server now that it's working |
| 03:08.47 | ckknight | wait, for static or for old? |
| 03:08.47 | Torhal | Twitchers. |
| 03:08.52 | HunterZ0 | <-- |
| 03:09.00 | HunterZ0 | ckknight: static |
| 03:09.04 | ckknight | okay |
| 03:09.05 | ckknight | hmm |
| 03:09.10 | taleden | old is still out I think |
| 03:09.14 | HunterZ0 | i think it's just heavily loaded - i just got the file i was trying to pull down |
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| 03:09.31 | taleden | but I bet 80% of what people want there is the ace3 docs, which really oughta be ported... nudgenudge.. :) |
| 03:10.15 | ckknight | yep. |
| 03:10.56 | Zhinjio | Torhal: OMG! |
| 03:11.10 | Zhinjio | the code freaking works without problems. |
| 03:11.15 | Zhinjio | I feel like... Ackis! |
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| 03:11.32 | Zhinjio | er, no. thats not right. his code doesn't ever work on the first try |
| 03:11.46 | Torhal | Hahahahaha |
| 03:11.50 | Zhinjio | ok... so |
| 03:12.14 | Zhinjio | can I get the tooltip to anchor to a particular place or does it anchor by some magical formula that only gnomes know? |
| 03:13.17 | Torhal | You should be able to anchor it wherever you like - it's simply a frame. |
| 03:13.45 | Torhal | If you don't wanna use SmartAnchorTo() |
| 03:13.48 | Zhinjio | ok, so the SmartAnchorTo is just... |
| 03:13.53 | Zhinjio | the gnome knowledge |
| 03:13.57 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 03:13.59 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 03:14.03 | Zhinjio | thinks |
| 03:14.29 | Zhinjio | I think I'm going to leave it for now. |
| 03:14.35 | Zhinjio | I'm just shocked it worked on the first try. |
| 03:14.37 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 03:14.49 | Zhinjio | oh |
| 03:14.51 | TradeMark | am I breaking any rules by using Ace libraries and deploying through my own channels? |
| 03:14.58 | Zhinjio | why is it like... purple border? |
| 03:15.35 | wallen | CF downloads work again |
| 03:18.36 | Torhal | Zhinjio: ??? |
| 03:18.47 | Torhal | TradeMark: Deploying as in, hosting? If so, yes. |
| 03:19.44 | Torhal | TradeMark: License - http://www.wowace.com/licenses/322-customized-bsd/ |
| 03:20.05 | TradeMark | alright |
| 03:20.17 | TradeMark | creates a project on wowace.com :F |
| 03:20.25 | ckknight | denies |
| 03:20.27 | ckknight | :P |
| 03:20.41 | taleden | I thought addons were allowed to distribute them as embedded libraries, just not as a standalone package? |
| 03:20.48 | ckknight | right, taleden |
| 03:20.53 | Torhal | If you're talking about using the libs in your own code and deploying YOUR code, you're fine |
| 03:21.06 | Torhal | If you're letting people download Ace3 itself though, that's a no-no |
| 03:21.34 | TradeMark | well tobe fair I started writing the addon without the use of any library, and now I'm considering using wowace - haven't actually written a single scrap that uses the libraries yet :P |
| 03:21.50 | TradeMark | oh na I didn't mean redistribute the library on its own o.O |
| 03:21.53 | ckknight | TradeMark: wowace and Ace3 are distinct. |
| 03:22.03 | ckknight | TradeMark: you can use wowace without Ace3 and the other way around |
| 03:22.05 | TradeMark | ace3 then |
| 03:22.15 | TradeMark | ahh |
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| 03:25.24 | CIA-35 | 03Mera-92869 * r44 10OneCompanion/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:25.24 | CIA-35 | OneCompanion: |
| 03:25.24 | CIA-35 | -AddonLoader support |
| 03:25.34 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: logging in from work? i dont remember seeing that very distinct hostname before |
| 03:25.56 | Zhinjio | evenin', ck |
| 03:26.06 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: or is it a bnc? |
| 03:28.57 | ckknight | howdy, Zhinjio |
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| 03:43.13 | Funkeh` | YES HOROES |
| 03:43.15 | Funkeh` | THANK YOU |
| 03:43.34 | Torhal | Funkeh`: Bwah? |
| 03:43.50 | Funkeh` | just appeared on torrent |
| 03:44.12 | HunterZ0 | woot, got CC 2.1.1.11b1 working. does it still do dirty updating? i don't see a "delete before installing update" type of option |
| 03:47.20 | Torhal | HunterZ0: It nukes your old dir |
| 03:47.31 | HunterZ0 | Torhal: woot thanks |
| 03:47.33 | Torhal | But if you're using WinXP, it leaves AddonNamebackup lying around |
| 03:47.41 | HunterZ0 | meh |
| 03:47.49 | Torhal | wxWidgets bug - they have a ticket open on it. |
| 03:47.57 | HunterZ0 | where does it put those? |
| 03:47.59 | Torhal | But it's just a shell dir |
| 03:48.04 | Torhal | In your addon dir |
| 03:48.08 | Torhal | Unfortunately. |
| 03:48.24 | Torhal | I don't mind for now, since it's an empty dir |
| 03:49.02 | Funkeh` | doesn't work for me, at least, I can't update badboy in cc beta |
| 03:49.27 | Funkeh` | jammed saying 2.2 is latest |
| 03:49.38 | Torhal | Funkeh`: Uninstall it, then re-install. Updates should work from there on out. |
| 03:49.55 | Torhal | Mine says v2.2.0.4 |
| 03:49.58 | Funkeh` | it just updated to a new version I think thats essentially the same thing |
| 03:50.07 | Funkeh` | but mines dirty |
| 03:50.30 | Torhal | You don't have your working version in your addon dir? |
| 03:50.36 | Torhal | CC detects those, BTW. |
| 03:50.48 | Funkeh` | I do |
| 03:51.02 | Funkeh` | I have the working version in the addon dir |
| 03:51.10 | Torhal | And it says it's dirty, not that it's a working version? Odd. |
| 03:51.12 | Funkeh` | at it notifies me that it's modified |
| 03:51.42 | Torhal | Then again, it detects that Revelation is a working version, but doesn't recognize nanoTalk. |
| 03:51.44 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 03:51.44 | Funkeh` | but it says the latest is 2.2.0.0 so no option to overwrite it with an update |
| 03:51.50 | Torhal | Oh! |
| 03:52.08 | Torhal | Yah, I have Revelation at 1.1.7, but it's showing that my working (SVN) version is 1.1.5 |
| 03:52.23 | Torhal | I don't want to update my original with what the packager puts out. |
| 03:52.40 | Funkeh` | but in the case you do want to |
| 03:52.51 | Funkeh` | it doesn't seem to recognise new versions for dirty addons |
| 03:52.55 | Funkeh` | as far s I can see |
| 03:52.56 | Torhal | Then you shouldn't have your VCS version in your addon dir, IMHO |
| 03:54.00 | Torhal | I think what it does is sets the version to whatever the current is then ignores it from then on out if it's SVN/git/hg |
| 03:54.10 | Torhal | It should probably say "Work version" or whatever., |
| 03:54.18 | Funkeh` | right |
| 03:54.18 | Torhal | File a ticket? |
| 03:54.28 | Funkeh` | but it should still detect a newer version is available |
| 03:54.35 | Funkeh` | and offer an overwrite/update |
| 03:54.40 | Torhal | Yah, I see what you're saying. |
| 03:55.09 | Funkeh` | no I told Kaelten |
| 03:55.25 | Funkeh` | but he didn't see a problem and ended up blaming curse for weirdness |
| 03:55.33 | Torhal | I've told Kaelten a few things, and when I ask later he'd forgotten |
| 03:55.36 | Torhal | So now I file tickets |
| 03:55.37 | Funkeh` | this weirdness has lasted over 2 months |
| 04:00.56 | Repo | 10procodile: 037destiny * r88 Items.lua: Fix spellID, Darkmoon Card: Greatness |
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| 04:06.18 | Torhal | tip: It's just after the first of the month. If you give a shit about BC gems and are exalted with Consortium, hit Nagrand. |
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| 04:18.45 | Arrowmaster | hmm when was 24 on? |
| 04:19.04 | Arrowmaster | it just went up on some bots at the same time as heroes did |
| 04:27.36 | Ackis | do you want to kill the eggs drake for 2 man OS? |
| 04:29.29 | Hjalte | We usually kill Shadron, who has the 100% increased fire damage aura. |
| 04:30.05 | Ackis | ah |
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| 04:34.51 | End | yeah, I think we killed Shadron earlier |
| 04:35.07 | End | we were trying for 3 up, and we decided to do with 2 so we'd get him killed this week |
| 04:35.15 | End | let me say: 2 up has -nothing- on 3 up |
| 04:39.09 | Ackis | i got shit on when I did 1 up |
| 04:39.17 | Ackis | we left the hatching dragon up and it was scary |
| 04:39.28 | Ackis | of course, I pugged it |
| 04:41.43 | linear` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oPXc6Gtxdo& lmao at this |
| 04:45.59 | Repo | 10coconuts: 03LordFarlander * r156 Coconuts.lua: Coconuts: |
| 04:46.02 | Repo | - Fix for boost new with never cast mounts |
| 04:46.13 | Repo | 10mini-pet: 03LordFarlander * r166 MiniPet.lua: MiniPet: |
| 04:46.16 | Repo | - Fix for boost new with never cast pets |
| 04:51.43 | Funkeh` | Man for some reason I had a dream about WinMX the other day |
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| 04:51.46 | Funkeh` | oh the mmories |
| 04:53.35 | Ackis | anyone getting file not founds? |
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| 04:56.05 | HunterZ0 | got sarth+3 once before the patch, been spending ton of times on him since without success. just gave up and are finishing sarth+2. we killed shadron to bring it down to +2. |
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| 05:28.38 | Torhal | Ackis: File not found on WoWAce? |
| 05:28.59 | Zhinjio | Torhal: what determines the color of the tooltip border/background? |
| 05:30.38 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor(r, g, b) |
| 05:30.53 | Zhinjio | no, I mean, what is the deault? |
| 05:30.55 | Zhinjio | default |
| 05:31.17 | Torhal | Should be getting set to GameTooltip:GetBackdrop() for the backdrop, etc |
| 05:31.29 | Zhinjio | gotcha |
| 05:33.48 | Torhal | I need to start playing seriously again instead of doing these damn achievements. |
| 05:33.54 | Torhal | 53 mounts and 35 pets. Gah. |
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| 05:34.49 | Aeyan | I was hoping for something a little flashier than Stinker, heh |
| 05:35.02 | Aeyan | His little special perk is fun, but rarely seen |
| 05:36.05 | Torhal | Heh. Pepe le Pew |
| 05:36.11 | Zhinjio | I do like who sends you the pet |
| 05:36.32 | Aeyan | Yeah, the girl that runs WarcraftPets.com, hehe |
| 05:36.38 | Zhinjio | *nods* |
| 05:36.54 | Zhinjio | I do appreciate it when they do little nods like that to the community |
| 05:36.56 | Zhinjio | Breanni |
| 05:41.24 | Aeyan | I'm not sure I have it in my to get those last 20 pets |
| 05:41.25 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 05:41.38 | Aeyan | *it in me |
| 05:44.01 | Torhal | Aeyan: How many do you have? |
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| 05:44.06 | Aeyan | 55 |
| 05:44.20 | Torhal | Heh |
| 05:48.27 | Zhinjio | Torhal, is there a way to get a cell in a row that is clickable to not be? |
| 05:51.01 | Zhinjio | this is working great, btw. |
| 05:52.45 | Zhinjio | this is like, a whole world better than trying to fuck around with UIDropDownMenu |
| 05:52.57 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Wewt :) |
| 05:52.58 | Zhinjio | thats a fucking abortion of a construct. |
| 05:52.59 | Torhal | Anywho |
| 05:53.05 | Torhal | Yah, you can. |
| 05:53.16 | Torhal | Use LibQTip.labelProvider |
| 05:53.32 | Torhal | In your SetCell() |
| 05:54.33 | Xinhuan | that's arguable Zhinjio ;p |
| 05:54.48 | Xinhuan | using UIDropdownmenu removes a dependency and uses less memory |
| 05:55.10 | Xinhuan | i use it so often i know the complete ins and outs of it now lol |
| 05:55.29 | Zhinjio | you're more than welcome to it, Xinhuan. That code is a fucking abortion. |
| 05:55.47 | Xinhuan | have you seen how i used it in Postal? ;p |
| 05:55.52 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 05:55.54 | Xinhuan | its not difficult lol |
| 05:56.32 | Xinhuan | the blackbook menu is an example |
| 05:56.36 | Xinhuan | in blackbook.lua |
| 05:56.59 | Zhinjio | I saw them. |
| 05:57.00 | Xinhuan | 4 lines per menu item |
| 05:57.15 | Xinhuan | it isn't any worse than writing an aceoption table, which is usually more than 4 lines per item |
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| 05:58.28 | Zhinjio | you aren't going to convince me. I used it in one addon, and it sucked. |
| 05:58.35 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 05:58.41 | quiescens | ): |
| 05:58.46 | Zhinjio | libqtipclick is trivially easy. |
| 05:59.37 | Zhinjio | and it does what I want without having to give it a reacharound and call its momma once a week. |
| 06:00.15 | Xinhuan | i really don't see whats so difficult about UIDropdown... maybe i should write a tutorial? |
| 06:00.17 | Torhal | ...wow. |
| 06:00.57 | Zhinjio | and on top of all that, uidropdown is butt ugly |
| 06:00.59 | Torhal | I don't think it's the difficulty, because it isn't really. It's just tedious. |
| 06:01.20 | Torhal | Unnecessarily so, IMHO. |
| 06:01.33 | Xinhuan | how is |
| 06:01.34 | Torhal | But I suppose that's why they made the EasyMenu() wrapper. |
| 06:01.36 | Xinhuan | info.disabled = GetNumFriends() == 0 |
| 06:01.36 | Xinhuan | info.text = L["Friends"] |
| 06:01.36 | Xinhuan | info.value = "friend" |
| 06:01.37 | Xinhuan | UIDropDownMenu_AddButton(info, level) |
| 06:01.39 | Xinhuan | tedious? |
| 06:01.48 | Torhal | Multiple levels. |
| 06:02.04 | Xinhuan | option tables that specify multiple levels aren't any different |
| 06:02.10 | Xinhuan | you still have to specify them tediously |
| 06:02.21 | Zhinjio | libqtipclick doesn't use options tables |
| 06:02.28 | Xinhuan | {type = "group"} blah blah |
| 06:05.10 | Zhinjio | well, anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. I'm too tired, and I'd just as soon argue with Arrowmaster. |
| 06:05.17 | Zhinjio | g'night. |
| 06:05.50 | Arrowmaster | ? |
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| 06:16.14 | Repo | 10money-trail: 03jiyoon * r48 MoneyTrail.lua: Localization update. |
| 06:21.36 | Xinhuan | whoa i just looked at the easymenu wrapper and realized how much it sucks (lol) |
| 06:22.49 | renchap | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.54 | renchap | oops |
| 06:23.51 | Xinhuan | it doesn't even support multilevel menus |
| 06:26.13 | Xinhuan | new plan: write a better wrapper |
| 06:26.21 | Xinhuan | LibUIDropDownMenuWrapper |
| 06:26.27 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 06:27.16 | Xinhuan | whatcha think :P |
| 06:27.20 | Torhal | Xinhuan: I believe a wrapper would do much to alleviate the "tediousness" factor. |
| 06:27.32 | Xinhuan | that name sounds a bit of a mouthful though |
| 06:27.49 | Torhal | With an options table, it's understandable to have to type all that shit. When you want a menu entry, it's just frustrating. |
| 06:28.08 | Xinhuan | i can't use a option table for some of my menus because the menu entries are dynamically generated |
| 06:28.13 | Torhal | LibEasyDropDown? |
| 06:28.18 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:28.26 | Xinhuan | for example, my menus can contain a list of every guild member |
| 06:28.38 | Xinhuan | if there's more than 25, i instead provide a submenu breaking it down into parts of 25 members each |
| 06:28.49 | Torhal | Yah, Part1 and Part 2 |
| 06:28.55 | Xinhuan | that's programatically coded |
| 06:29.04 | Xinhuan | which is the flexibility of uidropdownmenu |
| 06:29.14 | Xinhuan | to dynamically generate whatever menus you need |
| 06:29.21 | Xinhuan | instead of reading from a fixed option table |
| 06:29.32 | Torhal | Yah, I was just saying - they could have provided a better API than raw table fields. |
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| 06:33.00 | Torhal | Anywho, I'm to bed. G'night. |
| 06:40.12 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide 041.5.2 * r158 : Tagging as 1.5.2 |
| 06:56.37 | Repo | 10gnomishyellowpages: 03lilsparky * r30 GnomishYellowPages.lua: |
| 06:56.40 | Repo | fixed guildcraft data import for new gc storage technique (thanks Silentium83) |
| 06:57.39 | linear` | isnt there suppose to be aceconfigdropdown |
| 06:57.40 | Xinhuan | ~launcher |
| 06:57.42 | purl | One-stop filetype/application mapping solution. URL: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~etgold/software/launcher/ |
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| 07:12.36 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r40 / (11 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 07:12.39 | Repo | MorgDKP2 |
| 07:12.42 | Repo | -WEB! - changed the export function for possible localization problem |
| 07:12.45 | Repo | -fixed a couple possible class bugs |
| 07:12.48 | Repo | -added waitlist inclusion to zero sum dkp calculations and added the waitlist members to the event at that point (toggle) |
| 07:14.06 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm 04v2.4 * r41 : Tagging as v2.4 |
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| 07:35.46 | elite3vil | Ackis: ping |
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| 07:53.58 | Repo | 10money-trail: 03jiyoon * r49 MoneyTrail.toc: TOC update |
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| 08:02.35 | Repo | 10taunt_tattle: 03casualcorps 07master * ae44d2a / (3 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Added initial files |
| 08:02.46 | Repo | 10lib-st: 03sithy 06sithy * r75 Core.lua: |
| 08:02.49 | Repo | Added displayCols Arg. ST will react normally unless displayCols is defined. |
| 08:02.52 | Repo | If you define displayCols the table will act similarly to excel. Creating a horizontal scroll bar and scrolling the data left and right as well as up and down. |
| 08:02.55 | Repo | displayCols must be less than the #cols. |
| 08:02.58 | Repo | If you wish to have a column set to not scroll set col[i].header = true. |
| 08:03.41 | NivFreak | lies |
| 08:04.18 | casualcorps | all lies |
| 08:06.56 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 07master * 9e71fcd / (3 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Changed repo to git from SVN |
| 08:11.03 | Repo | 10taunt_tattle: 03casualcorps 04v0.1 * 0231fd4 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.1 release |
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| 08:14.14 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 04v0.2 * b9a3ebf /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.2 release |
| 08:14.17 | Odlaw | train conductor? |
| 08:14.27 | End | yet another train set addon? |
| 08:14.30 | Arrowmaster | its what caused me to write TrainWhistle |
| 08:14.39 | casualcorps | its not yet another :) |
| 08:14.41 | casualcorps | its the first |
| 08:14.42 | casualcorps | hehe |
| 08:14.46 | Odlaw | well, which does what |
| 08:14.46 | End | gasps. |
| 08:14.46 | Arrowmaster | and it sucks |
| 08:14.53 | Arrowmaster | which is why i wrote TrainWhistle |
| 08:14.55 | Xinhuan | damn i wish Notepad++ has syntax highlighting for BBCode ;p |
| 08:15.00 | Xinhuan | so i can write forum posts in it |
| 08:15.12 | Arrowmaster | stupid login spam |
| 08:15.20 | casualcorps | does what we needed, works perfect |
| 08:15.35 | Arrowmaster | only works in english |
| 08:15.49 | casualcorps | yep |
| 08:16.25 | End | glances at the source. |
| 08:16.33 | End | Couldn't you have just checked the spellid instead? |
| 08:16.47 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:16.52 | End | ...which is what TrainWhistle does |
| 08:16.53 | Arrowmaster | thats what i did in TrainWhistle |
| 08:16.54 | End | gotcha |
| 08:17.19 | End | Arrowmaster: needs moar Ace imo |
| 08:17.27 | End | ;-) |
| 08:19.00 | casualcorps | im happy you wrote an addon that works for you and others, thats great |
| 08:19.00 | casualcorps | im not competing with you, and dont care. |
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| 08:23.15 | Repo | 10smooth-durability: 03jiyoon * r70 : add external links |
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| 08:25.53 | Arrowmaster | ok im extremely fucking close to site banning jiyoon |
| 08:26.07 | End | but it needs more AddonLoader support |
| 08:26.12 | Arrowmaster | somebody second it and i will |
| 08:26.18 | Elkano | link |
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| 08:26.44 | Arrowmaster | doing all kinds of stupid shit |
| 08:27.02 | Arrowmaster | like he just added svn:externals to smooth-durability, which isnt his project |
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| 08:27.10 | End | oh, I didn't even look at that last commit |
| 08:27.24 | End | he was adding AddonLoader support to all sorts of stuff earlier though |
| 08:27.45 | End | someone was complaining later that it broke ARL's skillet support though |
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| 08:29.19 | Groktar | licks End |
| 08:29.27 | End | is licked? |
| 08:30.34 | Arrowmaster | 0 forum posts too |
| 08:30.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah banning |
| 08:31.44 | Groktar | what's that bar that just shows pots/consumables? |
| 08:31.53 | Arrowmaster | autobar? |
| 08:31.54 | Shefki | autobar? |
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| 08:55.45 | Repo | 10taunt_tattle: 03casualcorps 07master * v0.1-1-g8c9109e TauntTattle.lua: [+1 commit] Removed login spam and moved to spellids.. i got schooled on this. |
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| 09:01.49 | Mackatack | Arrowmaster: ping? |
| 09:02.56 | Repo | 10smooth-durability: 03Ammo * r71 : |
| 09:02.59 | Repo | Jiyoon keep your grummy little fuckhead hands out of my addons without permission you dick |
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| 09:03.46 | tamaroth_ | lol |
| 09:04.01 | Mackatack | lol indeed :P |
| 09:04.27 | winkiller | lol |
| 09:04.41 | Repo | 10magicrunes: 03dhedbor * r37 / (6 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 09:04.44 | Repo | - Added a new icon only display, useful if you don't want to use bars for your runes. Features: |
| 09:04.46 | Repo | - Skinnable with Button Facade. |
| 09:04.49 | Repo | - Adheres to the main alpha configuration and alpha notification blink (but not color). |
| 09:04.53 | Repo | - Order runes in BBUUFF or BUFBUF order, allowing for straight vertical and horizontal displays as well as 2x3 and 3x2. |
| 09:04.59 | Repo | 10money-trail: 03Ammo * r50 MoneyTrail.toc: and keep out |
| 09:05.53 | tamaroth | what's the usual license on addons ? |
| 09:06.22 | [Ammo] | if none specified it's mine kk |
| 09:06.37 | [Ammo] | I hate fucking korean pricks |
| 09:06.45 | krka | too small? |
| 09:06.47 | [Ammo] | need asian filter on addon access |
| 09:06.56 | [Ammo] | they are always the ones messing with stuff they shouldn't |
| 09:07.15 | quiescens | racism~! |
| 09:07.28 | krka | which pricks do you prefer to fuck? |
| 09:07.32 | winkiller | wtf, why does this version of kvirc sort [ at the end of nicks |
| 09:07.41 | winkiller | and at home it sorts [ to the start |
| 09:07.43 | [Ammo] | krka: big german ones |
| 09:07.50 | winkiller | runs away and hides |
| 09:08.03 | winkiller | may I touch your addon then? |
| 09:08.16 | krka | nice |
| 09:08.21 | [Ammo] | and I get grumpy without coffee, messing with my addons without me having had coffee is a bad idea |
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| 09:09.38 | Repo | 10tiny-stats: 03Ammo * r29 TinyStats.lua: fix nil error without rested xp |
| 09:10.55 | sb|work | @project tiny-stats |
| 09:10.57 | Repo | sb|work: http://www.wowace.com/projects/tiny-stats/. TinyStats. Game: WoW. Ammo (Manager/Author). Updated: 75 seconds ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 09:11.05 | sb|work | ah |
| 09:11.33 | Mackatack | hi sb, how are you doing? |
| 09:11.55 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 07master * v0.2-1-gd9f11d9 TrainConductor.lua: [+1 commit] removed login spam, swithed to spellid, and moved from spell_cast_start to spell_create to only notify on completed casts. Thanks to wowace for schooling me on addon etiquette |
| 09:13.16 | sb|work | Mackatack: fine :) and your addon works great ;o |
| 09:16.54 | casualcorps | likely noobish question.. a couple guild members were looking for an addon that was basically a per-instant graphics setting profile. (ie, while in naxx 25, spell detail to low, shadowLOD to 0, etc). Looking through the protected API functions, it seems like nothing really negates this possibility? Can have an addon that checks if in instance, if so, which insance name (or id if they have Ids..).. and load a profile configured via a ... |
| 09:17.01 | casualcorps | ... waterfall menu? get original cvars store them, set cvars for profile, and when zoning out, put them back? |
| 09:17.24 | casualcorps | am i missing a blatant "lua or blizzard will not let that work" ? |
| 09:18.16 | quiescens | um |
| 09:18.23 | quiescens | should technically be possible? |
| 09:27.43 | Mackatack | sb|work: good to hear ;) |
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| 09:38.01 | theoddone33 | so I pulled aggro on malygos |
| 09:38.12 | theoddone33 | looked in my combat log and I see ... 20k ignite, 15k ignite, 15k ignite |
| 09:38.14 | theoddone33 | so happy! |
| 09:38.40 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 07master * v0.2-2-g8530bc2 TrainConductor.lua: [+1 commit] updated txt for last release |
| 09:38.57 | Repo | 10taunt_tattle: 03casualcorps 04v0.3 * 86078e5 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.3 release |
| 09:38.57 | quiescens | nerf |
| 09:39.02 | Repo | 10train-conductor: 03casualcorps 04v0.3 * c9698d8 /: [new tag] Tagging as v0.3 release |
| 09:39.48 | Kalroth | I wiped us a few weeks ago, four power spark stacks and me getting "lucky" with the RNG |
| 09:40.13 | Kalroth | 24k deep wound ticks and I had like 108% aggro right before the vortex |
| 09:40.23 | Kalroth | he flipped me instantly once out of vortex :P |
| 09:40.30 | casualcorps | nice |
| 09:40.45 | casualcorps | we finally downloaed S3d yesterday.. 25 friggen attempts |
| 09:40.46 | quiescens | hit invis! |
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| 09:41.30 | casualcorps | but there is something hot about having 54k health.. and yet.. still get run out of mana and slaughered in about 3 seconds by a mage in pvp |
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| 09:45.49 | theoddone33 | I only had 2 stacks |
| 09:45.52 | theoddone33 | that's the fun thing |
| 09:46.01 | theoddone33 | I'm not sure how it happened but I guess I got really lucky with RNG |
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| 10:09.26 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 10:09.42 | Repo | Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system |
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| 10:11.44 | Kalroth | good morning nev! |
| 10:11.55 | nevcairiel | morning |
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| 10:20.32 | TradeMark | does my project need to be approved on wowace before I can upload to an SVN repo? |
| 10:22.37 | Xinhuan | no |
| 10:22.55 | Xinhuan | however it does take a while before the repo manager creates it after setting the type to "SVN" on your project |
| 10:22.59 | Xinhuan | can be up to 30 min |
| 10:23.16 | Xinhuan | once it is created, you can checkout from it from the "dev address" |
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| 10:29.14 | TradeMark | I checked out but it has authentication issues when trying to commit |
| 10:29.52 | nevcairiel | Did you set your svn password? |
| 10:30.10 | TradeMark | indeed |
| 10:30.19 | TradeMark | it might possibly be saved wrong in tortoise though |
| 10:31.59 | TradeMark | nope |
| 10:32.25 | TradeMark | runs an update without a hitch, but has "Authorization failed" when committing |
| 10:32.36 | TradeMark | using my login |
| 10:32.38 | TradeMark | shrugs |
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| 10:33.49 | [Ammo] | your svn pass is diff than your login on wowacer |
| 10:34.04 | [Ammo] | be sure to use the correct one |
| 10:34.20 | TradeMark | yep |
| 10:35.50 | winkiller | update is readonly |
| 10:35.52 | winkiller | no pass needed |
| 10:37.28 | TradeMark | alright got it sorted |
| 10:37.54 | TradeMark | was using a capital first letter on my login name, I think that was doing it |
| 10:40.36 | Shefki | winkiller: If he's using svn+ssh he needs a password for even update. |
| 10:40.43 | TradeMark | anyway, I'm embarassed to call myself a geek right now :P that and it's 11:40pm here |
| 10:40.52 | TradeMark | cheers for the help |
| 10:41.17 | winkiller | Shefki: only if your key has a password set... |
| 10:41.28 | Xinhuan | http://www.break.com/index/cool-corn-starch-and-speaker-experiment.html |
| 10:41.43 | Xinhuan | its ALIVE! |
| 10:41.47 | Shefki | winkiller: Doesn't matter. |
| 10:42.12 | Shefki | Well I should say you still need to authenticate. |
| 10:42.19 | Shefki | Who doesn't use a password on their ssh key? |
| 10:42.44 | nevcairiel | If someone gets my private key, something is terribly wrong already |
| 10:42.45 | winkiller | <- |
| 10:42.57 | winkiller | steals nevcairiel's privates |
| 10:42.58 | Xinhuan | i don't ;p |
| 10:43.04 | Shefki | Shame on all of you. |
| 10:43.09 | winkiller | the key IS the authentication |
| 10:43.17 | Xinhuan | i can hardly care who steals my commit key ;p |
| 10:43.18 | winkiller | not a waterproof one, but better than a password |
| 10:43.24 | winkiller | true dat |
| 10:43.34 | Shefki | Especially when it's really easy to set up the ssh agent. |
| 10:43.47 | nevcairiel | the agent still asks for your damn password once |
| 10:43.49 | winkiller | that really depens |
| 10:43.55 | nevcairiel | i really cba to enter my pw 5 times on boot =P |
| 10:44.00 | winkiller | "the agent" |
| 10:44.05 | winkiller | or do you mean pageant |
| 10:44.18 | nevcairiel | pageant is a key agent |
| 10:44.31 | Shefki | nevcairiel: There's no ssh-agent for windows that ties stuff to your login password? |
| 10:44.36 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:44.55 | nevcairiel | ssh is not exactly a windows thing |
| 10:45.07 | winkiller | it's much more a windows thing than git |
| 10:45.09 | winkiller | try that :P |
| 10:45.13 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Umm yeah but Windows has a single sign in setup for it. |
| 10:45.16 | winkiller | now combine git and ssh |
| 10:45.19 | winkiller | and it's fail² |
| 10:45.29 | nevcairiel | it works fine for me |
| 10:45.50 | nevcairiel | Shefki: but i don't know a ssh client and agent that support it =P |
| 10:46.40 | Shefki | Well I'm on the Mac. I only type my password once. To login which unlocks my keychain and the ssh-agent gets the passphrase for the ssh key from the keychain. If the screensaver kicks in, the keychain is relocked. |
| 10:47.02 | winkiller | intelligent use of pam |
| 10:47.13 | winkiller | in a perfect world that would be easy on all platforms |
| 10:47.42 | Shefki | Every once in a while if I haven't used the keychain in a long time it'll pop up and ask for the password. |
| 10:47.45 | nevcairiel | I have a file-system encrypted directory where i store stuff like the priv keys |
| 10:47.54 | nevcairiel | so if someone gets them, they might as well have them :P |
| 10:48.47 | nevcairiel | I have one key with a password though |
| 10:48.50 | nevcairiel | just not my wowace key |
| 10:48.56 | Shefki | I guess I just forget how backwards windows is when it comes to stuff like that. |
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| 10:49.52 | nevcairiel | i tried using linux for a while, but my productivity went down alot because i had to work with a user-unfriendly GUI |
| 10:50.05 | Shefki | I used Linux for a long time. |
| 10:50.22 | Shefki | I ended up mucking with the code for the OS more than anything else. |
| 10:51.18 | winkiller | has an xp desktop, 2 linux notebooks and 1 xp notebook with a linux vm |
| 10:51.21 | nevcairiel | Linux just lacks a proper unified user interface. There are like a million window managers, a billion tools that each work for a different window manager, and it takes a lifetime to setup a clean and workable desktop |
| 10:51.36 | SunTsu | .o0( Linux is not user unfriendly, it's just picky with it's friends ;) ) |
| 10:51.37 | winkiller | it's about choice |
| 10:51.55 | Xinhuan | too much choice = no consistency |
| 10:51.58 | winkiller | windows may be looking the same everywhere but there's not way to customise |
| 10:52.08 | winkiller | gnome/kde have reasonable defaults |
| 10:52.10 | nevcairiel | Choice is fine, but i haven't found a distribution that just sends you a really nice user interface to start working with |
| 10:52.29 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Well, for me my basic UI is nearly the same everywhere. It's called "shell" ;) |
| 10:52.42 | nevcairiel | shell reduces productivity alot |
| 10:52.59 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Or increases it. Depends on what you are doing |
| 10:53.04 | Shefki | Depends on how well you know the shell. |
| 10:53.06 | Kalroth | wha, you can't customize Windows? :p |
| 10:53.34 | Shefki | If you've been using shell for 20 years, I don't think it really hurts your productivity. :) |
| 10:53.37 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: there are always simple tasks that the shell can do faster, but if you're working on webdev, shell isnt really a good deal |
| 10:54.11 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: Vim and Lynx ftw!! |
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| 10:55.23 | nevcairiel | If linux ever wants to grow bigger, they will have to get away from that "but we have the shell" attitude. support people that prefer using the mouse to navigate rather then the arrow keys :p |
| 10:55.40 | Shefki | You can. |
| 10:56.07 | Shefki | There's plenty of GUI support. |
| 10:56.19 | nevcairiel | but it all sucks or takes ages to just get right |
| 10:56.35 | nevcairiel | Like i said, i didn't find a distribution yet that just feels right |
| 10:56.41 | nevcairiel | mind you, i didnt try all :p |
| 10:56.51 | nevcairiel | just a few of the more popular ones |
| 10:56.56 | Shefki | I don't know that I'd agree with that. I just get sidetracked by bugs. If I can fix them I will. |
| 10:57.17 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: As I said, depends on working style and on working area. I normally do everything in shell and it's fine with what I'm doing and to me the most efficient |
| 10:57.21 | Shefki | If I can't I just grumble about Apple or Microsoft or whoever made the bug. |
| 10:57.56 | Shefki | But I stopped using Windows back when I got tired of reinstalling it every so often because the damn thing slowed to a crawl. |
| 10:58.00 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: "Linux" does not want to grow bigger, because "Linux" is just the kernel and the main goal of "Linux" is to have a good working Kernel |
| 10:58.18 | Kalroth | Mac got all the artists, Windows got all the money, Linux got all the artists with no money. :) |
| 10:58.36 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: and "to get it right" also depends on what is right for YOU, which is what choice is all about |
| 10:58.36 | Kalroth | Oh please, everyone knows that Linux isn't the OS, yet it is. |
| 10:58.43 | Shefki | I'd say that Apple has attracted a lot of geeks back though. |
| 10:58.51 | Kalroth | People doesn't want to say "Linux+GNu+KDE+whatever". |
| 10:59.31 | Kalroth | Shefki: Sure, the rich geeks :) |
| 10:59.36 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: choice is good, yet it depends on the defaults choosen, and like i said, i didn't find a distribution that would suit someone that was coming from windows |
| 10:59.46 | Shefki | If competing head on with Microsoft wouldn't destroy their profit margin, I'd say that Apple would give Microsoft a real run for their money. |
| 11:00.05 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: So won't OSX |
| 11:00.23 | Kalroth | Open Sores are giving Microsoft a real run for no money. :) |
| 11:00.38 | nevcairiel | OSX is quite workable with a few adjustments, since its one whole system, not 20 parts patched together to work as one |
| 11:00.54 | Shefki | Kalroth: I don't really find Mac stuff to be that different in pricing when you actually compare prebuilt machines of equal specs. The problem is Apple doesn't sell low end stuff. |
| 11:01.36 | nevcairiel | Linux-systems have one problem: Some Apps work fine with KDE, some fine with Gnome, but if you want to use all of those apps on one system, you're screwed alot. imho, anyway. |
| 11:01.47 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That's not true at all. |
| 11:01.54 | Shefki | Wasn't even true 5 years ago. |
| 11:02.00 | nevcairiel | Its my opinion from experience |
| 11:02.03 | nevcairiel | just a month ago |
| 11:02.05 | nevcairiel | so its true for me :P |
| 11:02.11 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Well, that's unix style: Having small little tools, that do good the one thing they are doing and combining them they way you like or need. If it's not your style, so, hey, nobody is forced to chose Linux or any of the other unix like OSes |
| 11:02.13 | nevcairiel | .oO ( i even said imho ) |
| 11:02.22 | Shefki | Gnome apps worked just fine under KDE and vice versa. The only real difference is some clipboard handling differences and looks. |
| 11:02.39 | nevcairiel | GTK+ apps look like utter crap on KDE |
| 11:02.52 | Shefki | GTK+ apps just look like crap period. |
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| 11:04.02 | nevcairiel | not on gnome |
| 11:04.20 | nevcairiel | hell even firefox looked like crap on KDE |
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| 11:05.49 | Shefki | Firefox looks like crap on Linux primarily do to the lack of good fonts. If you've got or can find a copy of the Microsoft fonts that they released under the free license. You can avoid that. |
| 11:06.28 | nevcairiel | yeah thats another issue that annoyed me alot and had me google pretty long, why is it that they don't get some good free fonts as default bundled |
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| 11:06.44 | Mackatack | Arrowmaster: ping? |
| 11:06.58 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Licenses don't allow that. |
| 11:07.21 | Shefki | The best free fonts require that they be distributed in their original packagining which of course is designed for Windows. |
| 11:07.23 | nevcairiel | it was a matter of installing another package through the package manager |
| 11:07.26 | nevcairiel | why not by default o.O |
| 11:07.41 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That package typically downloads the Windows installer and unpacks it. |
| 11:07.47 | Shefki | It's sorta a gray area of the license. |
| 11:07.47 | nevcairiel | it installed a cabextract tool, yea |
| 11:08.10 | Shefki | <- came up with that work around for the license. |
| 11:08.36 | Shefki | Distributions don't ship it because it's kinda questionable if it'll stand up in court. |
| 11:09.06 | Shefki | It probably would, but Microsoft has every reason to fight it. |
| 11:09.13 | Shefki | And nobody can afford to fight back. |
| 11:09.40 | Shefki | And ultimately you're doing something they didn't really intend, though it technically follows the letter of their license. |
| 11:09.59 | SunTsu | And not everybody would want to install that, because of license reasons |
| 11:10.25 | Shefki | Right. |
| 11:11.11 | Shefki | Incidentally, the license hack to get around that is kinda like WowMatrix. |
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| 11:12.08 | Shefki | Microsoft says you have to distribute it in the original packaging unmodified. But are you really doing that when you put a piece of software between the user and the install that downloads it for them, unpacks and it installs it. |
| 11:12.49 | Shefki | Is that software nothing more than a download manager like what browsers have built in... or did it go too far. It's really a gray area. |
| 11:16.44 | nevcairiel | someone should just create good free fonts for linux |
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| 11:17.06 | winkiller | nevcairiel: hang on, got a post on that lately |
| 11:17.14 | winkiller | but why linux? |
| 11:17.17 | winkiller | ttf works... |
| 11:18.34 | nevcairiel | sure, but only linux needs them |
| 11:18.41 | nevcairiel | win has some, osx too |
| 11:18.41 | winkiller | http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/11/08/40-excellent-freefonts-for-professional-design/ |
| 11:19.17 | winkiller | http://keithdevens.com/wiki/ProgrammerFonts |
| 11:20.50 | haste | profont is still my favorite, and has been for years |
| 11:21.13 | winkiller | triskweline <3 and terminus |
| 11:22.01 | haste | I use terminus in my terminals |
| 11:22.17 | nevcairiel | those fonts are fine for terminals and text editors |
| 11:22.23 | nevcairiel | but on the web, you need other fonts |
| 11:22.38 | nevcairiel | or it looks funny :p |
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| 11:23.30 | haste | I like meiryoke_gothic, not really free tho' |
| 11:24.02 | SunTsu | .o0( No, I don't want to rant about web designers who depend on special fonts, no, I really don't want to ) |
| 11:24.33 | nevcairiel | heh yeah that fails |
| 11:24.48 | nevcairiel | i mostly don't change the font itself on my pages |
| 11:25.02 | nevcairiel | except maybe switch serif/sans-serif for some parts |
| 11:26.07 | haste | same |
| 11:26.22 | cncfanatics | thats what everyone should do :p |
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| 11:29.35 | Fisker- | haste :( |
| 11:36.41 | Fisker- | haste :( |
| 11:41.50 | Xinhuan | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/175.html |
| 11:41.51 | Xinhuan | lol! |
| 11:51.12 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/taunt_tattle/. Taunt Tattle. casualcorps (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel. |
| 11:51.43 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/timetoexecute/. TimeToExecute. Tifordin (Manager/Author). Approved by Nevcairiel. |
| 11:55.35 | evl_ | If I've done "git tag -a 1.2" and I made a mistake and want to retag my current commit, how do I proceed? I tried doing "git tag -f 1.2" but the "git push" gave me an error that it wasn't annotated |
| 11:56.46 | nevcairiel | did you push the tag yet? |
| 11:56.55 | nevcairiel | the broken one |
| 11:56.58 | evl_ | I pushed it |
| 11:57.00 | evl_ | and I'm sorry |
| 11:57.04 | nevcairiel | then you cant fix it anymore |
| 11:57.08 | nevcairiel | choose a new one |
| 11:57.33 | evl_ | any good suggestions on what to put in the tag commit message btw? I usually just put "tagging maintenance release X" |
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| 11:58.05 | nevcairiel | wowace blocks updates to existing commits |
| 11:58.14 | nevcairiel | er |
| 11:58.16 | nevcairiel | exisiting tags |
| 11:58.20 | evl_ | Yes I noticed |
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| 11:58.31 | Torhal | Meh. Use 1.2.1 |
| 11:58.41 | winkiller | .1 - aka stupidity fix :P |
| 11:59.03 | p4aved | does any1 know wen the pygmy suckerfish drop rate was buffed, just out of curiosity |
| 11:59.12 | nevcairiel | 3.0.8 |
| 11:59.19 | p4aved | tyvm |
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| 12:11.36 | Fisker- | haste :( |
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| 12:27.57 | Fisker- | brrs |
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| 12:28.19 | Zhinjio | G'morning |
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| 12:28.30 | Fisker- | Zhinjio |
| 12:28.58 | Zhinjio | Fisker-: |
| 12:29.24 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: I had a dream about the categorization. I'm gonna try and put it into a doc today |
| 12:29.38 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 12:30.28 | Xinhuan | btw, i'm currently thinking of writing a simple UIDropDownMenu wrapper, so that i can have all the gem/enchant data in WoWEquipData.lua in tables, and use it directly |
| 12:31.26 | Xinhuan | there's a bit of flexibility in it, where i can abuse UI_DROPDOWNMENU_VALUE to be of any value including tables for submenus ;p |
| 12:31.42 | Zhinjio | nods. Sounds good. |
| 12:31.54 | Zhinjio | yeah, pretty sad, isn't it? Ugh. I dream in wow. |
| 12:31.58 | Zhinjio | or code. or both. |
| 12:32.09 | Xinhuan | i'm currently writing a guide for using uidropdownmenu hehe |
| 12:32.27 | Zhinjio | Excellent. |
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| 12:47.30 | Repo | 10fu-bar_converge-fu: 03Broliant * r90 / (4 files in 1 directory): FuBar_ConvergeFu: |
| 12:47.33 | Repo | - Updated 'guildinfo' response to indicate guild is now farming tier 7.25 content until Ulduar is released. |
| 12:47.36 | Repo | - Changed the default item-level for the Item Level DKP tool to 213. |
| 12:48.25 | Repo | 10fu-bar_converge-fu: 03Broliant 04v3.37-release * r91 : FuBar_ConvergeFu: Tagging this as a proper release. |
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| 12:50.45 | Repo | 10hidelooted: 03Pneumatus * r3 HideLooted.lua: - Tidy options table |
| 12:50.48 | Repo | - Make reset work without a reloadui |
| 12:56.16 | Repo | 10head-count: 03seppyk * r75 / (23 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 12:56.19 | Repo | HeadCount: |
| 12:56.22 | Repo | - Added integrated wait list functionality. |
| 12:56.25 | Repo | - Added wait list user interface display. |
| 12:56.28 | Repo | - Added raid announcement user interface display. |
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| 13:01.00 | Kleskmaster | hi |
| 13:03.38 | Kleskmaster | got a question regarding fishing - I use 2 Monitors, 1st one to show WoW and 2nd one for browser or sth else. Now I want a simple fishing mod, that helps me to see when I catch a fish, while I'm reading on the second monitor. THought of something like screen blinking red, when a fish hocked like aggro warning in some boss mods. Is there something out there like this, or is it possible to react on such an event? |
| 13:04.30 | Kleskmaster | or is this yet another idea thats not possible? :) |
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| 13:06.45 | Megalon | a fishing bot? :c |
| 13:07.23 | Megalon | if you want a flash when the 'fish-bite-splas' happens |
| 13:07.45 | Megalon | then i have to tell you that this is not possible with a addon |
| 13:07.54 | evl_ | ofc it's not possible |
| 13:08.09 | evl_ | WoW Fishing was invented as a way to errode the human soul effectively, now stop trying to nerf it |
| 13:10.26 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r728 / (2 files in 2 directories): AceAddon-3.0 documentation |
| 13:11.11 | Kleskmaster | ok, so no "reading EJ forums" while fishing :/ |
| 13:11.30 | Xinhuan | unless you run dual screen |
| 13:11.50 | Zhinjio | does notepad++ have a "ruler" you can enable? |
| 13:12.02 | Zhinjio | and further, can I force wordwrap on a particular column? |
| 13:12.30 | haste | not like you'll miss anything by not reading EJ |
| 13:12.31 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 13:13.19 | Zhinjio | can you give me a clue where I might find those? |
| 13:13.31 | Kleskmaster | i run dual screen as i said, but i just miss the small watersplashing when I read on the second one |
| 13:13.48 | haste | easy solution, have sound on :p |
| 13:14.01 | Xinhuan | Settings -> Options --> Edit Components -> Vertical Edge setting |
| 13:14.46 | Zhinjio | ok, that shows me the edge. Thats good. |
| 13:14.47 | Xinhuan | override the sound file |
| 13:14.53 | Xinhuan | with a better one |
| 13:15.15 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r729 AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: AceAddon-3.0: Add file-level header |
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| 13:15.31 | Kleskmaster | mmhk that would be an easy solution - i play without sound since release and didnt know that theres a fsihing sound xD |
| 13:15.44 | winkiller | haste: a) then you also have sound of people around you. b) it still sucks :P |
| 13:15.47 | Pneumatus | 1) have sound on 2) get an addon that messes with sounds to make the bobber nosier and everything else quieter 3) make sure you've got sounds enabled when WoW isnt the active window |
| 13:15.49 | winkiller | LOL |
| 13:16.10 | winkiller | Kleskmaster: you may want to search for the "alt-tabber" addon |
| 13:16.19 | haste | winkiller: you don't have too many other options |
| 13:16.22 | winkiller | and find out what to change from readycheck to fishing sound |
| 13:16.24 | Kleskmaster | :P |
| 13:16.36 | winkiller | haste: I know :/ |
| 13:16.49 | winkiller | what I hate most is that you hear other people's sounds |
| 13:16.54 | winkiller | else it would be cake |
| 13:17.45 | Pneumatus | fish elsewhere then :P |
| 13:17.54 | Pneumatus | i always move when people get too close to me |
| 13:18.42 | Pneumatus | (assuming im open water fishing anyway, when im pool fishing im always active regardless) |
| 13:20.01 | Repo | 10head-count: 03seppyk 041.5.0 * r76 : Tagging as 1.5.0 |
| 13:20.14 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r730 AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Fix usage tags |
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| 13:25.54 | Zhinjio | oh. |
| 13:25.55 | Zhinjio | right. |
| 13:25.58 | Zhinjio | its fucking tuesday again |
| 13:27.27 | winkiller | Pneumatus: there's only one place to fish up the last gold coin. I'd love to move :P |
| 13:29.58 | Pneumatus | ah coins :( |
| 13:31.20 | Pneumatus | hmm, for an addon with only like 10 strings to be localised, is it best to just put the locale stuff in the main addon file? |
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| 13:36.36 | Zariel | where are the old wiki pages? old.wowace.com/wiki doesnt work |
| 13:36.56 | Pneumatus | google cache atm |
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| 14:12.31 | Camci | steev: ping |
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| 14:27.46 | Xinhuan | there, Zhinjio: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 14:27.47 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 14:28.28 | nevcairiel | you didnt even use EasyMenu |
| 14:28.42 | Kalroth | aww |
| 14:29.05 | Kalroth | Omen got dropdowns? |
| 14:29.09 | nevcairiel | you know, its easier to do with EasyMenu :P |
| 14:29.37 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: No libraries@"#?%! |
| 14:29.44 | nevcairiel | its not a library |
| 14:29.45 | jnwhiteh | uhh EasyMeny isn't a library? |
| 14:29.48 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:29.51 | jnwhiteh | its stock FrameXML |
| 14:29.53 | Kalroth | Why is it easy then? |
| 14:29.54 | nevcairiel | EasyMenu is part of framexml |
| 14:30.04 | nevcairiel | its a small wrapper around the dropdown code |
| 14:30.10 | nevcairiel | you can feed it a table |
| 14:30.32 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:31.35 | HunterZ0 | Is there no longer a risk of taint from using default UI dropdowns? |
| 14:31.45 | nevcairiel | still is |
| 14:31.48 | nevcairiel | but what can you do :P |
| 14:32.14 | HunterZ0 | Would be good to document it in that thread then as a limitation/disadvantge |
| 14:33.27 | nevcairiel | i think its way easier formating in a table and using EasyMenu, but shrug |
| 14:33.30 | nevcairiel | thats jsut me! |
| 14:33.42 | jnwhiteh | the menu wrapper I provided in the book is much better than easyMenu |
| 14:33.49 | jnwhiteh | even tried to get them to pick it up, but they didn't in time |
| 14:34.58 | nevcairiel | i should read that chapter, maybe :P |
| 14:35.09 | jnwhiteh | does multi-level menus |
| 14:35.16 | jnwhiteh | and is pretty straightforward |
| 14:35.16 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 14:35.28 | nevcairiel | easy-menu can do multi level too |
| 14:35.33 | nevcairiel | but i'll look at the book |
| 14:35.53 | jnwhiteh | According to Xinhuan's post it doesn't. |
| 14:35.55 | jnwhiteh | and it didn't initially |
| 14:35.57 | jnwhiteh | has that changed? |
| 14:36.24 | nevcairiel | info.menuTable = [TABLE] -- This contains an array of info tables to be displayed as a child menu |
| 14:36.24 | HunterZ0 | Xinhuan's thread says easymenu can't do multi-level |
| 14:36.24 | nevcairiel | this sounds like it |
| 14:36.24 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure |
| 14:36.24 | [Ammo] | it does multilevel |
| 14:36.24 | Xinhuan | i'll fix that in the guide then |
| 14:36.24 | [Ammo] | I use it in MasterLoot afaik |
| 14:36.37 | Xinhuan | easymenu only works with static tables though |
| 14:36.46 | Xinhuan | rather than dynamically generated menuitems |
| 14:36.53 | nevcairiel | thats what most people need |
| 14:36.57 | [Ammo] | you can force a redraw |
| 14:37.07 | [Ammo] | but not sure if you can open it to the correct spot again |
| 14:37.08 | Xinhuan | the redraw only redraws checkmarks ammo |
| 14:37.16 | Xinhuan | it doesn't redraw disabled/enabeld, for eg |
| 14:37.29 | jnwhiteh | showers |
| 14:37.32 | nevcairiel | menus that change while its open are really unintuitive anyway :D |
| 14:37.36 | Xinhuan | i'll add a section for easymenu when i can |
| 14:37.45 | steev | Camci: pong |
| 14:38.44 | Xinhuan | oh, its for menus like "select all the above options" |
| 14:38.54 | Xinhuan | and you want it to check all the options above that option |
| 14:38.55 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 14:39.06 | Xinhuan | can't really redraw that |
| 14:39.48 | Xinhuan | i can probably rewrite omen's menu using easymenu |
| 14:39.55 | Xinhuan | and see how that works out |
| 14:40.13 | [Ammo] | I suggest using the best tool for the job :) |
| 14:40.48 | Xinhuan | yeah, some places need dynamic menu generation, such as Postal's one |
| 14:41.06 | Xinhuan | but omen's one is static |
| 14:41.36 | jnwhiteh | i suspect we'll see the system re-done one of these days |
| 14:41.45 | jnwhiteh | its really limited right now and not very efficient |
| 14:42.08 | Xinhuan | my conclusion in the guide is that it is good for small menus |
| 14:42.14 | nevcairiel | they said it would be redone some day |
| 14:42.29 | Xinhuan | but more complicated stuff should end up using things like acegui or waterfall/etc |
| 14:42.33 | nevcairiel | but who knows when |
| 14:42.50 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: thats the generic defintion for dropdowns :p |
| 14:42.58 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: reading... |
| 14:44.03 | Xinhuan | function EasyMenu(menuList, menuFrame, anchor, x, y, displayMode, autoHideDelay ) |
| 14:44.04 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 14:44.12 | Xinhuan | autoHideDelay isn't even used in the code |
| 14:46.27 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 14:46.31 | p4aved | ping funkah |
| 14:46.59 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 14:47.12 | Xinhuan | .checked needs to be a function lol |
| 14:47.17 | Xinhuan | to be used in EasyMenu |
| 14:47.45 | Zhinjio | good tutorial. |
| 14:48.04 | nevcairiel | Why does it have to? |
| 14:48.16 | nevcairiel | I dont see any special code for easymenu regarding checked |
| 14:48.19 | Xinhuan | because if it is predefined to be true or false |
| 14:48.27 | Xinhuan | then it would always be checked or unchecked |
| 14:48.47 | Xinhuan | info.checked hence must be a function, rather than true/false booleans |
| 14:48.50 | nevcairiel | i would've made it a function anyway :P |
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| 14:48.58 | Fisker- | it's haste |
| 14:48.59 | Fisker- | get hi |
| 14:48.59 | Xinhuan | .checked is also the ONLY thing thatcan be a function ;p |
| 14:49.01 | Fisker- | m |
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| 14:49.08 | Xinhuan | .text cant for eg |
| 14:49.10 | nevcairiel | its the only thing that changes |
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| 15:03.50 | Xinhuan | ammo: if you use EasyMenu, u have to inherit the frame from the bliz template lol |
| 15:04.01 | Xinhuan | for displayMode == "MENU" |
| 15:07.47 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r732 AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: AceAddon-3.0: even more doc formatting |
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| 15:20.33 | nevcairiel | Whitetooth: what happend to spirit based regen in StatLogic? Its showing very low numbers now that can only be wrong (showed about 14 mp/5 before on some items, its now like 1) |
| 15:21.12 | nevcairiel | Whitetooth: looks like the same for +Heal from spirit in Improved Tree of Life |
| 15:21.32 | nevcairiel | I doubt that 77 Spirit only give me 1.0 MP5 and 0.6 + Heal |
| 15:21.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:21.41 | Whitetooth | nevcairiel: hmm I don't think touched that part |
| 15:21.54 | Whitetooth | let me check |
| 15:23.17 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: images.gammatester.com perma-dead? :( |
| 15:24.07 | Whitetooth | nevcairiel: seems to work fine for me, +57 Spirit (+48.8 MP5(NC), +17.1 Dmg) |
| 15:24.23 | Whitetooth | this is on a lock |
| 15:24.37 | Mackatack | Guys, what are your thoughts on LibCompress? Can it be used safely for addon communications? |
| 15:25.44 | nevcairiel | Whitetooth: http://nevcairiel.net/WoWScrnShot_020309_162217.jpg |
| 15:26.05 | nevcairiel | I'm looking at in-combat MP5 |
| 15:26.10 | nevcairiel | while-casting, etc |
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| 15:33.57 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: sorry about that, its back up |
| 15:34.04 | Whitetooth | nevcairiel: what does /print StatLogic:GetStatMod("ADD_HEALING_MOD_SPI") give you? |
| 15:34.15 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: thanks, its always been so useful :) |
| 15:34.18 | nevcairiel | Whitetooth: sec |
| 15:34.49 | nevcairiel | Whitetooth: 0.15 in ToL and 0 out of ToL |
| 15:35.18 | Whitetooth | so no problem there |
| 15:35.46 | nevcairiel | I can try to revert some revisions and see when it starts to appear |
| 15:35.58 | nevcairiel | I havent been online for a week or so |
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| 15:36.36 | p4aved | anybody no what the /mountspecial for proto drakes is? or if u can force there stand up thingy |
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| 15:37.55 | Mackatack | So, any thoughts on LibCompress? does anyone use it? |
| 15:38.33 | Whitetooth | nevcairiel: I found the bug, fixing |
| 15:38.41 | nevcairiel | k |
| 15:38.44 | nevcairiel | no need to revert then :) |
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| 15:40.57 | Xinhuan | there nevcairiel |
| 15:40.58 | Xinhuan | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 15:41.02 | Xinhuan | updated the last post in the guide |
| 15:41.07 | Xinhuan | with how to use EasyMenu |
| 15:41.08 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I GOT MORE POINTS LAST NIGHT ZOMG |
| 15:41.18 | Xinhuan | slaps AckisWork away with a large trout |
| 15:42.01 | AckisWork | I got KT and maly killed... 25-man! |
| 15:42.02 | AckisWork | and I got pants |
| 15:42.05 | AckisWork | off of kt |
| 15:42.09 | AckisWork | imma so proud |
| 15:42.56 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 15:43.01 | Xinhuan | what server are you on now |
| 15:43.20 | AckisWork | azgalor |
| 15:43.27 | AckisWork | but there's free transfers off of it |
| 15:43.32 | AckisWork | not sure if i'm gonna take them or not lol |
| 15:43.38 | AckisWork | just because |
| 15:45.24 | Xinhuan | where doesit go |
| 15:45.52 | AckisWork | dunno |
| 15:45.56 | AckisWork | some shitty server no doubt |
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| 15:47.13 | Grum | UK is awesome; buying stuff in GBP is so cheap =) |
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| 15:54.48 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Current CurseClient doesn't seem to ignore case in paths on Windows. |
| 15:54.59 | Pneumatus | we used to say the same about buying in USD :< |
| 15:59.33 | Xinhuan | why does the blizz launcher open links in IE7 |
| 15:59.34 | Xinhuan | so fail |
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| 16:05.47 | Xinhuan | i should install OverAchiever |
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| 16:07.38 | Xinhuan | blizzard should have kept the old Ritual of Summoning spell in |
| 16:07.48 | Xinhuan | now to summon one person, you need to summon twice |
| 16:08.02 | Xinhuan | once to summon the stone, then use the stone to summon the person |
| 16:08.07 | SunTsu | but with more style than ever |
| 16:08.12 | Pneumatus | yeh, they should have made the new summoning stone a whole new spell |
| 16:08.18 | Pneumatus | so you can chose to either summon 1 person or a stone |
| 16:08.23 | haste | the portal looks like shit tho' :P |
| 16:08.34 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/broker-reagents/. Broker_Reagents. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Approved by Arrowmaster. |
| 16:08.35 | haste | like 2min paint job |
| 16:08.45 | Xinhuan | the portal looks like a engineering dummy to me |
| 16:08.51 | Xinhuan | the stone i mean |
| 16:09.21 | haste | It's a gate to hell! |
| 16:09.26 | SunTsu | I quite found it impressive. The first time I saw it rising up I was thinking of ultima's guardian |
| 16:09.27 | Stanzilla | its looks like a shitty tv in halloween style |
| 16:09.30 | haste | with flames as stickers |
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| 16:28.48 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 16:28.52 | Xinhuan | 3.5 min Wintergrasp win |
| 16:29.05 | Xinhuan | horde must be "wtf??? lost with 26.5 min left??" |
| 16:29.17 | quiescens | alliance are ebil |
| 16:29.25 | quiescens | be horde ): |
| 16:29.38 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck do you destroy the door that fast? |
| 16:29.52 | quiescens | hax |
| 16:29.57 | Xinhuan | easy |
| 16:30.04 | Xinhuan | we orged 40-man in dalaran |
| 16:30.09 | Xinhuan | then told everyone |
| 16:30.13 | Xinhuan | Rush to West factory |
| 16:30.29 | Xinhuan | then 17 ppl managed to build demolishers there after 1.5 min |
| 16:30.30 | Bruners | Xinhuan: have you gottten against all odds yet? |
| 16:30.40 | Xinhuan | and all 17 rushed the northwestern most wall |
| 16:30.43 | Xinhuan | wall died in 20 secs |
| 16:30.50 | Xinhuan | then inner wall died 30 secs later |
| 16:30.54 | Xinhuan | then finally the keep door |
| 16:30.58 | quiescens | you got enough kills to get demolishers in 1.5 minutes? |
| 16:30.59 | Xinhuan | only 1 of the 17 vehicles died |
| 16:31.15 | AckisWork | @project project-14153 |
| 16:31.16 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-14153/. GuildnameGenerator. Game: WoW. Armagone (Manager/Author). Updated: 36 hours ago |
| 16:31.18 | Xinhuan | yes, there was about 5 horde trying to attack the west workshop |
| 16:31.21 | Xinhuan | so killing those |
| 16:31.26 | Xinhuan | got enough rank |
| 16:31.29 | quiescens | even if you had a full 40 organised raid on our server, in 1.5 minutes, you would be lucky to kill 3 people with your one attack every 10 seconds |
| 16:31.31 | Xinhuan | then more came |
| 16:31.40 | Arrowmaster | you can also kill npcs |
| 16:31.40 | Xinhuan | so it was easy |
| 16:31.48 | Xinhuan | those tat didn't get rank, rode demolishers |
| 16:31.48 | TecnoBrat | Xinhuan, question for you. Taunt it increases the tank to the top aggro person, do they need to gain 10% threat to remain at the top? |
| 16:32.04 | Xinhuan | incorrect TecnoBrat |
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| 16:32.46 | Xinhuan | taunt places the taunter's threat equal to the person currently holding aggro, and places a debuff on the mob so it attacks the taunter for 6(?) seconds |
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| 16:32.57 | Taroven | 3, Xinhuan |
| 16:33.07 | Xinhuan | "the person currently holding aggro" may NOT be the person highest on threat |
| 16:33.08 | Grum | i got corrected to 3 indeed by nev as well :) |
| 16:33.13 | TecnoBrat | Xinhuan, and after the 6 secs? They keep it right? |
| 16:33.27 | Grum | TecnoBrat: i think the 10% is too much |
| 16:33.27 | Xinhuan | if nobody is > 110% in melee range, or 130% in ranged |
| 16:33.28 | Xinhuan | then yes |
| 16:33.34 | Grum | else you cant ever taunt |
| 16:33.35 | Bruners | http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t26148-threat_mechanics/ |
| 16:33.38 | TecnoBrat | thats what I thought |
| 16:33.39 | Grum | think of Brutallus |
| 16:34.02 | Taroven | TechnoBrat: If someone shoots over 110/130% threat within 3 seconds of the taunt, they'll have agro again |
| 16:34.48 | quiescens | Once upon a time, I think it worked that way? |
| 16:34.50 | TecnoBrat | Taroven, right |
| 16:35.34 | quiescens | Back before naxxramas was released in the original game |
| 16:36.08 | quiescens | it was widely believed the behaviour was changed shortly before or after naxxramas was released because of difficulties with swapping the 4 horsemen around |
| 16:36.30 | Arrowmaster | a lot of threat mechanics changed when the original naxx was released |
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| 16:36.47 | Grum | the 10% cannot be right |
| 16:36.51 | Grum | if you look at those fights indeed |
| 16:37.26 | quiescens | ? |
| 16:37.33 | Arrowmaster | like used to be just going into melee range while above 110% would make you pull, but for thaddius they changed it so you had to actually do something that caused threat while above 110% in melee range to pull |
| 16:37.47 | quiescens | I don't follow what Grum is talking about |
| 16:37.52 | Grum | but i dont think on taunting the person you taunt from stops hitting |
| 16:38.01 | Grum | quiescens: the discussion is in 3channels now hehe |
| 16:38.28 | quiescens | but that 2nd most recent line totally did not make sense |
| 16:38.44 | quiescens | you don't think on taunting the person you taunt from stops hitting? |
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| 16:38.50 | Grum | well think of it |
| 16:38.52 | Grum | brutallus |
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| 16:39.03 | Grum | tank1 tanks; tank2 taunts; tank1 doesnt immediately stop hitting |
| 16:39.08 | Hirsute | quiescens: Meaning the person you taunted off of keeps hitting (and building thread) on the thing you taunted. |
| 16:39.09 | Grum | and prolly just autoattacks |
| 16:39.17 | Hirsute | s/thread/threat/ |
| 16:39.30 | Grum | so it is not 10% |
| 16:39.43 | quiescens | I give up |
| 16:39.54 | Grum | gz =) |
| 16:40.38 | Whitetooth | I don't think that has anything to do with 10% |
| 16:40.54 | Grum | well normal getting aggro requires you do to 110% aggro of someone at least |
| 16:41.01 | Grum | and if a taunt puts you at 100% |
| 16:41.07 | Grum | then you'd guess you would need 110% |
| 16:41.14 | Grum | but that cant work in fights like horsemen/brutallus |
| 16:41.23 | Whitetooth | taunting doesn't |
| 16:41.24 | MighytHaz | Nope |
| 16:41.34 | Grum | taunting does put you at 100% treat afaik |
| 16:41.37 | MighytHaz | tank 1 tanks, tank 2 taunts, they have equal threat, tank 2 has aggro |
| 16:41.39 | quiescens | see now its starting to make sense |
| 16:41.46 | Grum | that is what i am saying |
| 16:41.50 | MighytHaz | 3s later, tank 2 still has aggro |
| 16:41.50 | Grum | 100% threat |
| 16:41.54 | quiescens | taunting makes you 100% of who you taunted from and gives you aggro |
| 16:41.55 | Grum | yes but *how* |
| 16:41.59 | nevcairiel | it was probably changed back in the day |
| 16:42.01 | quiescens | you no longer need 110% |
| 16:42.01 | Hirsute | Grum: It *also* applies a debuff to the taunted mob forcing it to attack the taunter |
| 16:42.02 | MighytHaz | tank 1 needs 110% threat of tank 2 to regain aggro |
| 16:42.10 | Grum | Hirsute: i know but that only lasts 3 seconds |
| 16:42.13 | quiescens | if you want to actually *pull aggro* without taunting |
| 16:42.16 | quiescens | then you need 110% |
| 16:42.25 | Grum | yes but why does the taunt make the mob stick? |
| 16:42.30 | SunTsu | Grum: it does, but forces the taunted mob to attack you, so others need 110/130% aggro to gain aggro again |
| 16:42.32 | Grum | is there a 3rd component to a taunt? |
| 16:42.38 | quiescens | because they need 110% to pull aggro |
| 16:42.40 | Hirsute | Grum: But it now has the taunter as it's target, so it won't return to the other player until *he* breaks 110/130% |
| 16:42.49 | Grum | ah mz yes :) |
| 16:43.00 | Grum | easy enough indeed ;) |
| 16:43.01 | nevcairiel | Grum: i suppose due to giving you aggro, someone needs 110/130 to get it back |
| 16:43.06 | Grum | yeah |
| 16:43.06 | MighytHaz | yup |
| 16:43.10 | Grum | so it makes perfect sense |
| 16:43.29 | nevcairiel | the need 10% is probably still a rumor from back in classic =P |
| 16:43.37 | Grum | i just had the roles reversed and thus was looking for tank 2 to gain 110%; but he just got that handed for free |
| 16:43.39 | quiescens | yeah |
| 16:43.50 | quiescens | that was what my comment was about |
| 16:43.53 | Grum | well 10% would make sense if he doesnt have aggro |
| 16:43.57 | quiescens | I was saying, it hasn't been that way since original naxxramas |
| 16:44.10 | Grum | haha must have been horrid to do 4h |
| 16:44.29 | quiescens | it was widely believed 4 horsemen was the reason for the change |
| 16:44.38 | Pneumatus | is there a shortcut way to replicate the old standby/enabled that ace2 had by default in aceconsole or whatever provided it, or is a complete table neccesary to provide it? |
| 16:44.40 | Grum | i cant remember another fight where it is needed |
| 16:44.42 | Grum | oh except Gluth |
| 16:44.46 | Grum | that one also has this mechanic |
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| 16:44.56 | quiescens | gluth would have been managable |
| 16:45.02 | Xinhuan | Pneumatus: most addons aren't designed to be "disable-able" |
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| 16:45.19 | Xinhuan | most would break if you :Disable() them then :Enable() |
| 16:45.21 | TecnoBrat | quiescens, I am 90% sure it was 4h that caused the change |
| 16:45.29 | Xinhuan | because they weren't designed to handle that situation |
| 16:45.33 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: write a smart OnDisable that actually disables all in your addon |
| 16:45.33 | TecnoBrat | that change made the encounter doable |
| 16:45.39 | Grum | how would Gluth be doable? |
| 16:45.44 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: setup chat command that calls :Disable() |
| 16:45.45 | nevcairiel | done |
| 16:45.46 | Grum | tank1 stops doing aggro and lets tank2 gain 10% on him? |
| 16:45.58 | quiescens | I know, I'm just saying, blizzard didn't exactly explicitly state that was the reason |
| 16:46.13 | quiescens | Grum: You could do it that way |
| 16:46.16 | Xinhuan | the main problem was that 10% was more and more difficult to gain as time passes |
| 16:46.22 | nevcairiel | Grum: like that poison insect bitch in AQ, huhuran i believe, tank switching without taunting |
| 16:46.26 | Grum | yeah i think 4h makes sense; you cannot do it without taunting |
| 16:46.26 | Xinhuan | as the absolute number increased |
| 16:46.30 | quiescens | Its not like 4 horsemen |
| 16:46.35 | quiescens | Gluth you can have the tanks already present |
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| 16:46.41 | Grum | yeah |
| 16:46.48 | Grum | but 4h the tank starts with 0 till the taunt |
| 16:46.49 | quiescens | 4 horsemen, you can't exactly have the tanks sit next to each other and manually pull it off the other |
| 16:47.02 | Grum | yup |
| 16:47.11 | Whitetooth | 10% was always there, I did part of the threat testing back in the days of KTM |
| 16:47.26 | Grum | yeah 10% to get aggro; not 10% to maintain aggro |
| 16:47.44 | SunTsu | Big problem is, not all tanking classes have the same tps in the same gear, so letting sbd. else gain aggro without tainting is quite sth. close to gambling |
| 16:47.48 | Grum | so taunt is 3 part; get 100% threat; get 3 seconds facetime and get aggro |
| 16:48.15 | nevcairiel | well the facetime provides the aggro, the 3s is just to have a chance to get actually going on aggro |
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| 16:48.52 | Grum | the 3 seconds is a 'you cannot overaggro now' and after that if you are still 130% it will just move of the tank right? |
| 16:49.06 | Grum | (if ranged ofc; else 110%) |
| 16:49.12 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:49.23 | Grum | but another taunt supersedes the first i'd guess |
| 16:49.27 | nevcairiel | thats why you need 3 tanks for taunt-tanking :) |
| 16:49.31 | Hirsute | Okay, I'm running CurseClient 2.1.1.11 Beta 1. It's installed in a folder owned by my Windows account. Wow is installed in a folder owned by my Windows account. Why is CC suddenly insisting on trying to run as administrator? |
| 16:49.49 | nevcairiel | Kaelten ^ |
| 16:49.49 | quiescens | everything needs administrator! |
| 16:49.51 | Grum | nevcairiel: awesome; you dont even have to do threat you will just keep it under the 'tauntspell' ;D |
| 16:50.02 | Pneumatus | kolie claims its neccesary, Hirsute :P |
| 16:50.02 | TecnoBrat | lets do an example, tank1 is at 100,000, range dps is at 129,000 (29% of tank1), and tank2 taunts. tank2 will be at 100,000 and if range dps gains 1000 threat, they will pull over tank2 |
| 16:50.18 | Grum | but only after the 3 seconds facetime fade |
| 16:50.23 | nevcairiel | Grum: there have been fights with random-targeting where only taunt would stick, where that was actually used |
| 16:50.24 | Hirsute | It works fine without running as admin, and has for the last few revisions. |
| 16:50.36 | Pneumatus | despite the fact no user should have wow installed in a privalaged directory since 3.0 |
| 16:50.37 | Grum | nevcairiel: auch luckily we dont have those anymore |
| 16:50.38 | Hirsute | In fact, I have more problems when I run it as Admin than when I don't. |
| 16:50.48 | quiescens | as well as certain mobs that drop aggro incessantly |
| 16:50.52 | nevcairiel | Grum: it was actually quite fun :D AQ40 too, i forgot the name |
| 16:50.55 | Grum | quiescens: yeah indeed |
| 16:50.55 | quiescens | annoying trash typez |
| 16:50.58 | Hirsute | Pneumatus: And I never did have it installed in a privileged directory on Vista. |
| 16:51.02 | Hirsute | It's weird. |
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| 16:51.06 | Grum | nevcairiel: it does mean you cna deck your tanks in full stamina |
| 16:51.14 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 16:51.15 | Grum | nothing to actually get threat with :) |
| 16:51.21 | Grum | well they will just get 3 seconds of hits each :D |
| 16:51.23 | nevcairiel | dodge etc is still good |
| 16:51.26 | TecnoBrat | you won't keep it for long, rofl |
| 16:51.28 | Grum | yeah true |
| 16:51.34 | nevcairiel | meh the dmg put out by that boss wasnt that bad |
| 16:51.38 | nevcairiel | if you had it under control |
| 16:51.38 | Grum | what is the cooldown on a taunt btw? |
| 16:51.41 | Grum | and what is the DK taunt? |
| 16:51.42 | nevcairiel | 8s |
| 16:51.46 | Pneumatus | the fact i have to allow it to run as admin every time with UAC is annoying as hell :P |
| 16:51.54 | nevcairiel | UAC is annoying as hell |
| 16:51.56 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1459 / (12 files in 2 directories): Update .pkgmeta to deal with docs folder. |
| 16:51.58 | nevcairiel | no matter what for |
| 16:52.00 | Grum | turn of UAC as every single user does? |
| 16:52.03 | Grum | *off |
| 16:52.12 | Hirsute | Pneumatus: That's what I'm talking about, but it actually runs fine for me if I don't allow it to escalate. |
| 16:52.12 | SunTsu | Grum: Dark Command |
| 16:52.40 | Hirsute | It never *used* to ask me to escalate if it didn't need to escalate to write to the Addons directory. Now it does, and it is a bit irritating. |
| 16:52.47 | SunTsu | Grum: Death Grip is sort of a taunt, too |
| 16:53.03 | Hirsute | And as far as turning of UAC: no. |
| 16:53.03 | Pneumatus | i shouldnt need to switch UAC off, applications should be written so they don't need escalation |
| 16:53.03 | Hirsute | s/of/off/ |
| 16:53.08 | quiescens | isn't death grip only temporary? |
| 16:53.09 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 16:53.12 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: UAC on vista is full of fail |
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| 16:53.27 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: But so is turning it off. |
| 16:53.28 | nevcairiel | it asks you way too much |
| 16:53.35 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: i lived on XP without it |
| 16:53.54 | SunTsu | quiescens: Yeah, that's why I wrote "sort of" |
| 16:54.02 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: As does my XP machine. But turning it off on Vista also disable things like Registry Shadow copies. |
| 16:54.07 | Pneumatus | it doesnt ask me too much, it asks when it should do :o |
| 16:54.23 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: i have one drive set to be owned by my user group, instead of my user. Now, Applications cannot write to that drive when UAC is off, fail? |
| 16:54.37 | nevcairiel | I have WoW on that drive |
| 16:54.42 | Hirsute | when UAC is off? |
| 16:54.45 | nevcairiel | as a consequence, WoW cannot save stuff |
| 16:54.47 | nevcairiel | er |
| 16:54.48 | nevcairiel | when its one |
| 16:54.50 | nevcairiel | on |
| 16:54.51 | nevcairiel | damn :P |
| 16:54.59 | Hirsute | Set it to be owned by our user. |
| 16:54.59 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:55.03 | Hirsute | s/our/your/ |
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| 16:55.05 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: why? |
| 16:55.15 | quiescens | mass typo today |
| 16:55.20 | nevcairiel | Multiple users use WoW |
| 16:55.27 | nevcairiel | i dont want to install it 2 times |
| 16:55.31 | Hirsute | Because Windows doesn't handle group permissions correctly, apprently. |
| 16:55.39 | Hirsute | *can't spell today |
| 16:55.46 | nevcairiel | See, thats why i turn off UAC |
| 16:55.53 | nevcairiel | Win7 UAC does not have that problem, fwiw |
| 16:56.12 | Hirsute | It isn't an issue with UAC, it's an issue with window's permission handling. |
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| 16:56.21 | nevcairiel | Turning off UAC fixes it for me :P |
| 16:56.22 | MentalPower | nevcairiel: turn off UAC protection for that drive |
| 16:56.36 | MentalPower | or alternatively, move WoW to a non-UAC folder |
| 16:56.53 | nevcairiel | What does UAC ultimately give me, anyway? |
| 16:57.14 | Hirsute | At any rate, won't be turning off UAC, and something changed recently that is making CC try to escalate on every run, even though it *doesn't* need to. |
| 16:57.35 | Pneumatus | yeh, the CC should first test if it needs elevated privs rather than running elevated regardless |
| 16:57.50 | nevcairiel | With UAC on, every app runs at a reduced permission, right? even when my user has admin privs? |
| 16:58.01 | MentalPower | runs as user, right |
| 16:58.06 | MentalPower | even if you're admin |
| 16:58.07 | Hirsute | Unless you allow the app to escalate. |
| 16:58.14 | MentalPower | what Hirsute said |
| 16:58.49 | Hirsute | If you want to turn it off, cool. It just isn't an acceptable solution for everyone. |
| 16:59.24 | Pneumatus | as an admin, you will be asked if you wish to allow it to escalate but wont have to confirm (like you do as a normal user) iirc |
| 16:59.34 | nevcairiel | MentalPower: how do you turn off UAC protection for one drive? |
| 16:59.54 | Hirsute | Pneumatus: it largely depends on what the program is trying to do, and how it's programmed to handle UAC. |
| 17:00.05 | Arrowmaster | win7 uac is fail |
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| 17:00.13 | MentalPower | change the permissions so that the owner of that drive (and all subfolders) is everyone, with full access |
| 17:00.22 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: I disagree, its much improved |
| 17:00.30 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Interesting, I've never heard that before. Why do you say it's fail? |
| 17:00.30 | nevcairiel | win7 uac is much better then vista |
| 17:00.36 | nevcairiel | it doesnt annoy you much anymore |
| 17:00.38 | sztanphet | you can change permissions and the like recursively from an admin cmd prompt with takeown /F "D:\yourfolder" /R |
| 17:00.42 | sztanphet | and icacls "D:\yourfolder" /grant Everyone:F /T /Q |
| 17:00.52 | Arrowmaster | http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/01/30/malware-can-turn-off-uac-in-windows-7-by-design-says-microsoft |
| 17:00.57 | nevcairiel | the whole drive inherits permissions from the main folder |
| 17:01.01 | quiescens | format d: |
| 17:01.06 | quiescens | wait, what are we doing? |
| 17:01.18 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: link is dead here |
| 17:01.38 | Arrowmaster | wtf dead here too |
| 17:02.05 | Arrowmaster | http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:FB2oxvnc8EEJ:www.withinwindows.com/2009/01/30/malware-can-turn-off-uac-in-windows-7-by-design-says-microsoft/+site:http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/01/30/malware-can-turn-off-uac-in-windows-7-by-design-says-microsoft&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 17:02.10 | Arrowmaster | google cache |
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| 17:05.14 | Kaelten | Hirsute: is the behavior of the UAC in the client that bad right now? |
| 17:05.45 | Arrowmaster | basicly since the entire purpose of UAC was because you cant really tell if a user made the change or a program so you ask the user, now that system configuration can be changed without prompting UAC malware can do whatever it wants since it can just disable UAC |
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| 17:06.03 | Pneumatus | Kaelten: the CC shouldn't be asking to elevate to administrator every time it launches assuming the games it handles are not in privalaged folders |
| 17:06.09 | Hirsute | Kaelten: It's quite the irritating change from 2.0. In CC 2.0, if I was running it from a folder I had ownership of, and WoW was in a folder I had ownership of, I didn't need to run CC escalated, and was never asked to. |
| 17:06.27 | Hirsute | Kaelten: With 2.1.1.11, It asks for escalation anyway. |
| 17:06.28 | Kaelten | and now? |
| 17:06.32 | sztanphet | if you decline it it still starts tho |
| 17:06.37 | Hirsute | Correct |
| 17:06.43 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 17:06.47 | Pneumatus | no idea about WAR, but since 3.0 WoW installs to Users/Public/Games, which is not privalaged, but the CC asks to elevate every launch regardless |
| 17:07.01 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 17:07.02 | Hirsute | If I *do* run it escalated, ownership changes on every addon folder I update. |
| 17:07.11 | Kaelten | from you to admin |
| 17:07.16 | Hirsute | Correct |
| 17:07.23 | Hirsute | And then it stops being able to update those addons. |
| 17:07.23 | Arrowmaster | and then wow cant see them? |
| 17:07.30 | sztanphet | yes |
| 17:07.32 | Hirsute | For whatever reason. |
| 17:08.14 | Pneumatus | WoW doesnt elevate, so the CC shouldnt need to, if the user has WoW installed in a protected directory then that's their own stupid fault imo |
| 17:08.29 | nevcairiel | is there a /dev/null device on windows to reroute output to? :p |
| 17:08.37 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: NULL |
| 17:08.40 | quiescens | isn't it nul |
| 17:08.41 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 17:08.42 | quiescens | or something |
| 17:09.03 | nevcairiel | NULL creates a file NULL |
| 17:09.03 | Hirsute | I'm checking right now to see if somehow ownership of the CC settings file has changed, though I can't seem to find where it keeps its settings. |
| 17:09.04 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 17:09.06 | quiescens | I thought it was nul |
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| 17:09.13 | quiescens | fine, ignore me! ): |
| 17:09.15 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: Woops. just a sec. |
| 17:09.23 | Hirsute | quiescens could be raight |
| 17:09.23 | nevcairiel | nul seems to work |
| 17:09.26 | Hirsute | *right |
| 17:09.50 | Pneumatus | Kaelten: the CC wanting to elevate by default also is going to make users suspicious that the client is doing things it shouldnt be doing |
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| 17:13.07 | Kaelten | aye |
| 17:13.13 | Kaelten | I'm going to be making a ticket about that |
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| 17:13.17 | Hirsute | So, anyway, Kaelten: I can *live* with having to tell it not to escalate every time, but it is a bit irritating. |
| 17:13.24 | Kaelten | right, |
| 17:13.37 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Does CC store it's settings file in c:\users\<user>\AppData\Local\CurseClient? |
| 17:13.42 | ZealotOnAStick | What's a good, violent, satisfying way to destroy a laptop? |
| 17:13.50 | Kaelten | ZealotOnAStick: termite |
| 17:13.53 | Hirsute | 50 caliber? |
| 17:13.53 | Kaelten | thermite * |
| 17:14.00 | Kaelten | we're pushing for a public RC release on CF/WowAce front pages |
| 17:14.01 | Hirsute | ^^^ Win |
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| 17:14.14 | ZealotOnAStick | Kaelten: already have Thermite as an option, actually. |
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| 17:14.38 | Kaelten | the go for it and stop wasting time, after all if it's good enough for US embassies..... |
| 17:14.40 | Hirsute | Tie to the bumper of someone who just got married, in the place of empty cans? |
| 17:14.51 | Pneumatus | Hirsute: a lot of the .log files are the CC database in that dir afaik |
| 17:15.11 | Pneumatus | or maybe cache |
| 17:15.16 | Hirsute | Pneumatus: Some of those were owned by Admin, for whatever reason. I'm seeing if it makes a difference. |
| 17:15.27 | Pneumatus | they also need to do something about CurseClient.log |
| 17:15.30 | Beutju | self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ALIVE", "UpdateBars") << when i have something like this; what does the thing after the comma mean? |
| 17:15.31 | Pneumatus | mine is at 100Mb now |
| 17:16.03 | Hirsute | Nope, still asks for escalation. |
| 17:16.08 | Kaelten | Hirsute: yes that's where it stores it's info |
| 17:16.11 | sztanphet | Beutju function name to call |
| 17:16.33 | Beutju | thx |
| 17:16.34 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Great. Thanks. Also: the client doesn't seem to ignore case in paths on Windows (which is should) |
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| 17:16.40 | sztanphet | you should call the actual pointer |
| 17:16.42 | Hirsute | s/is/it |
| 17:16.48 | Repo | 10o-uf_ammo: 03Ammo * r69 Ammo.lua: no tooltips on grid frame |
| 17:16.51 | sztanphet | or pass it |
| 17:16.51 | Repo | fix combatfeedback size on grid frame |
| 17:16.51 | Kaelten | Hirsute: I'm making a ticket, about the the UAC stuff, not sure it'll get fixed for today, but I am making it a proiroity |
| 17:17.01 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Sounds good. Whenever. |
| 17:17.07 | sztanphet | cheers |
| 17:17.07 | Hirsute | I just thought I'd pass it on. |
| 17:17.11 | Kaelten | by all means |
| 17:17.34 | Pneumatus | i had brought it up previously to Koile but i think it fell on deaf ears :P |
| 17:17.54 | sztanphet | yea i wrote a rant about it in #cf too :) |
| 17:18.18 | Kaelten | well bring issues up to me |
| 17:18.36 | Kaelten | when it comes down to it, I set a lot of the priorities |
| 17:18.38 | Kaelten | not all but a lot |
| 17:19.22 | Bruners | Kaelten: NeedToKnow keeps saying its modified and TellMeWhen says it got updates :( |
| 17:19.33 | Pneumatus | tried reinstalling Bruners? |
| 17:19.40 | Bruners | yes |
| 17:19.55 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Re: ignoreing case in paths... I noticed it because apparently the registry keys CC looks for don't have consistent capitalization for the WoW path, resulting in CC detecting multiple copies of wow on install. |
| 17:20.05 | Hirsute | Not a big deal, but odd, nonetheless. |
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| 17:20.39 | Bruners | Pneumatus: deleted all files for both, even vars |
| 17:20.55 | Pneumatus | weird, ive got TellMeWhen and it doesnt show updates :o |
| 17:21.14 | Pneumatus | 1.1 installed |
| 17:21.40 | Kaelten | is NeedToKnow modified? |
| 17:21.47 | Kaelten | and do they share a folder? |
| 17:21.57 | Pneumatus | i know why |
| 17:22.05 | Pneumatus | Kaelten: its that fucking __MACOSX directory |
| 17:22.20 | Kaelten | fucking a |
| 17:22.25 | Pneumatus | both addons are by the same author, with uploaded zips containing _MACOSX |
| 17:22.42 | Kaelten | yeah I'm going to write a script that's going to sanitize zips of those and repositoriy metadata |
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| 17:23.40 | Pneumatus | the CC is no doubt barfing because Interface/Addons/_MACOSX isnt matching any particular addon |
| 17:24.36 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 17:24.42 | Kaelten | I'll get those removed from the zips |
| 17:24.45 | Kaelten | update hashes etc |
| 17:25.05 | ZealotOnAStick | New Pointless Poll up: http://yggdrasil.net/ |
| 17:25.34 | Pneumatus | im guessing other addons will share the same issue but probably arent quite as popular and still dont use a repo to deploy |
| 17:26.06 | Kaelten | Pneumatus: possible |
| 17:26.20 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: they are already red flaged in the approval queue |
| 17:26.28 | Arrowmaster | who approved files with those damn dirs |
| 17:26.29 | Pneumatus | those two for sure have uploaded zips with _MACOSX in tho :) |
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| 17:26.45 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: yes, but old files wouldn't have been gotten anyway |
| 17:26.56 | Kaelten | are those files recent enough to have been caught |
| 17:27.02 | Kaelten | for a while we didn't check for those |
| 17:27.06 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 17:27.20 | Kaelten | I'm debating having them auto rejected and sent back |
| 17:27.26 | Arrowmaster | imho do |
| 17:27.48 | Pneumatus | do that for any "invalid layout" zips imo |
| 17:27.51 | Beutju | I'm not that good in programming, as you may see^^, so may I ask why this does not work: http://pastey.net/107601 ? |
| 17:27.53 | Trell- | whats an up to date itemset addon you'd reccomend, other than ClosetGnome? |
| 17:28.39 | Kaelten | Beutju: um, I don't think that's valid api... |
| 17:28.41 | Arrowmaster | Beutju: that syntax doesnt work, RegisterEvent only accepts one argument |
| 17:30.05 | Beutju | ok next try =) |
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| 17:33.08 | Pneumatus | Kaelten: are you aware projects with no beta/release files are syndicating to curse? |
| 17:33.30 | Arrowmaster | they have for a long time |
| 17:33.49 | End | I got some angry comments about that a week or two ago |
| 17:33.59 | Kaelten | they should be |
| 17:34.03 | Kaelten | but they shouldn't be visible |
| 17:34.05 | Kaelten | if they are |
| 17:34.07 | Kaelten | thats a bug |
| 17:34.55 | Pneumatus | it's a bug then, as ive had a comment on a new project on curse with no files asking where the dowload link is :P |
| 17:35.34 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:35.36 | Kaelten | gotta link? |
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| 17:36.18 | Pneumatus | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/hidelooted.aspx |
| 17:36.31 | Pneumatus | 2 comments now :o |
| 17:37.02 | Bruners | what is that _MACOSX for anyway? |
| 17:37.14 | Pneumatus | contains a load of metadata that macs use |
| 17:37.21 | Pneumatus | folder icons and guff like that |
| 17:37.28 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 17:37.46 | Kaelten | when you use the built in mac os compression thing it includes the releavent __MACOSX files |
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| 17:38.42 | nevcairiel | doesnt the upload thing on curseforge yell at you if there are those files in there? |
| 17:38.56 | nevcairiel | or at least yell at the mods approving them |
| 17:39.13 | Pneumatus | it should flag the zip as invalid layout, shouldnt it? |
| 17:39.31 | Pneumatus | as there wont be a _MACOSX.toc in that folder |
| 17:40.16 | nevcairiel | the __MACOSX is in the subfolder of the addon |
| 17:40.23 | nevcairiel | i believe |
| 17:40.24 | Pneumatus | nono |
| 17:40.27 | Pneumatus | its in the root of the zip |
| 17:40.42 | Bruners | for NeedToKnow and TelleMeWhen its on the root |
| 17:41.39 | Pneumatus | if it was inside the addon directory the CC wouldnt get confused over it |
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| 17:43.41 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.33 | Bruners | why is the mac compression shit including such files? |
| 17:45.37 | AckisWork | ~wownpc 4877 |
| 17:45.38 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=4877 http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=4877 |
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| 17:55.08 | Pneumatus | so, is it better/worse to put translations in their own files or in the main addon file when there are only a dozen strings? |
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| 17:55.13 | Pneumatus | or does it make no difference |
| 17:55.45 | Hirsute | Pneumatus: I think it's a matter of preference. |
| 17:56.54 | Gnarfoz | maintainability also. if you don't speak all of those languages yourself and want other people to update them, it's probably better to split them out |
| 17:57.20 | Pneumatus | well, i'm intending to use the web translating thingy |
| 17:57.54 | Kaelten | damn hosters.... |
| 17:58.26 | Pneumatus | for sanity's sake i think id rather each locale in its own file anyway |
| 17:58.57 | Hirsute | Kaelten: ? |
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| 18:00.48 | Xinhuan | Pneumatus, that's flawed reasoning ;p |
| 18:01.04 | Xinhuan | if the file is auto-generated, there is no sanity in having it human readable |
| 18:01.10 | Xinhuan | just mash all 8 locales in one file ;p |
| 18:01.49 | Bruners | if each locale got 100 strings i would have them in their own files |
| 18:02.24 | Xinhuan | it still makes no difference, human's aren't supposed to read it to see if its translated, they should go to the web app ;p |
| 18:04.42 | Pneumatus | Xinhuan: but have them all in a single locale file rather than the main addon file, i guess :P |
| 18:05.00 | Xinhuan | yes ;p |
| 18:05.38 | quiescens | go to sleep xinhuan |
| 18:06.36 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r382 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add better talent tooltips, thanks to Farmbuyer. |
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| 18:17.02 | Pneumatus | hmm Xinhuan, there is a downfall in having all locales in the same file i think |
| 18:17.15 | Xinhuan | hm? |
| 18:17.40 | Pneumatus | as you need to check if L is valid after a :NewLocale() call, so in individual files you can if not L then return end |
| 18:18.06 | Xinhuan | easy fix Pneumatus |
| 18:18.12 | Pneumatus | i suppose you could just "if L then --[[translations here]]-- end" |
| 18:18.34 | Pneumatus | after each NewLocale() |
| 18:18.48 | Xinhuan | http://paste.wowace.com/239/ |
| 18:18.55 | nevcairiel | I prefer having them split in multiple files anyway |
| 18:19.02 | nevcairiel | it has no downside in loading times, really |
| 18:19.15 | nevcairiel | even a bit better maybe, because you can just return :P |
| 18:19.37 | Xinhuan | i just like having less files |
| 18:19.39 | nevcairiel | except for libraries, its a PITA to do multiple-file-versioning |
| 18:19.47 | nevcairiel | thats why you pet them in a subfolder, hehe |
| 18:19.50 | Xinhuan | having to open 8 locale files to edit one change is a PITA |
| 18:19.58 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: use website :D |
| 18:20.01 | PProvost | I prefer having more smaller files |
| 18:20.10 | Xinhuan | smaller files take up more disk space! |
| 18:20.11 | Pneumatus | well, using the website you don't need to ever edit your locale file anyway |
| 18:20.13 | PProvost | "Lots of little objects" as a mentor once told me |
| 18:20.17 | PProvost | Disc space is free |
| 18:20.23 | Xinhuan | assuming it is smaller than disk cluster size ;p |
| 18:20.37 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: multiple files, i can open them side by side and look at the same line! |
| 18:20.58 | Xinhuan | but if its packager generated, i don't need to compare lines, i know they are identical hehe |
| 18:21.16 | nevcairiel | you dont need to open 8 files to edit locale either, then |
| 18:21.30 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 18:21.37 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1460 / (42 files in 5 directories): Remove a bunch of unneeded properties, and fix a few bugs. |
| 18:21.52 | Xinhuan | postal's locale file is small, anyhow |
| 18:23.59 | Pneumatus | hmm, im just thinking, i use a couple of strings for pattern matching, in SVN checkouts those patterns arent going to be in any of my files :o |
| 18:24.32 | AckisWork | I think I fucked up all my svn properties lol |
| 18:24.47 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: are they the same as the key? |
| 18:24.52 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: nope |
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| 18:25.00 | Pneumatus | i've given them shortnames |
| 18:25.02 | nevcairiel | then you're screwed |
| 18:25.12 | Pneumatus | unless i put in some --@debug@ |
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| 18:25.49 | kolie | nevcairiel, Pingie |
| 18:25.55 | nevcairiel | sup? |
| 18:26.07 | kolie | I saw a SS from you with the client. |
| 18:26.21 | Pneumatus | it means that any non-enUS client will not be able to SVN co and the addon work |
| 18:26.52 | kolie | It was showing you having a newer version then the "latest" |
| 18:26.57 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 18:27.07 | kolie | is that addon set to install releases? |
| 18:27.17 | nevcairiel | global config is set to alpha |
| 18:27.22 | nevcairiel | and no addon specific setting |
| 18:27.25 | kolie | yes but if you right click the addon? |
| 18:27.31 | nevcairiel | hm yeah it is |
| 18:27.34 | nevcairiel | but i never touched it |
| 18:27.51 | kolie | you did if it was originally installed and found as a release. |
| 18:28.09 | nevcairiel | I installed it as release, then set global config to alpha |
| 18:28.14 | nevcairiel | and it updated to alpha version |
| 18:28.16 | kolie | switching to alpha only effects future installs, unless you use the reset all option. |
| 18:28.39 | nevcairiel | How did i end up with having the alpha installed then ? :D |
| 18:28.53 | kolie | There was some weirdness in older versions. |
| 18:29.00 | nevcairiel | I see |
| 18:29.11 | kolie | the correct option is whatever the addon has set when you right click it. |
| 18:29.25 | Cheads | is there an option that will delete the old content of the addon directory when it updates to a new version, or is that done by default? |
| 18:29.28 | nevcairiel | Maybe you should popup some box that asks the user if all addons should be changed to the new global configuration if you change it? |
| 18:29.33 | kolie | Cheads, default. |
| 18:30.03 | nevcairiel | instead of the reset all checkbox, i mean |
| 18:30.09 | nevcairiel | its not really clear what it means :) |
| 18:30.18 | Pneumatus | Xinhuan: fwiw, the enGB client returns enUS for GetLocale() it seems |
| 18:30.22 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 18:30.27 | Xinhuan | that part is unnecessary |
| 18:30.46 | nevcairiel | kolie: you know what would be nice, having Ctrl-A work for select-all in the addon list :D |
| 18:30.48 | Bruners | fwiw ? |
| 18:30.56 | kolie | it does |
| 18:30.57 | nevcairiel | for what its worth |
| 18:31.04 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 18:31.05 | Pneumatus | im guessing the returns in each if block are to stop trying to add further locales once you've found the locale of the client, right? |
| 18:31.08 | nevcairiel | didnt work for me just now |
| 18:31.10 | nevcairiel | but now it does |
| 18:31.11 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 18:31.18 | kolie | it has to have focus, i believe. |
| 18:31.22 | AckisWork | whats the library to help with mini-map integration? |
| 18:31.31 | nevcairiel | minimap integration? |
| 18:31.34 | nevcairiel | like, icons? |
| 18:31.37 | nevcairiel | Astrolabe |
| 18:31.42 | AckisWork | that's it ty |
| 18:32.24 | nevcairiel | kolie: changelog -> installed and latest avail show the same for me right now |
| 18:32.38 | kolie | on what addon |
| 18:32.56 | Hirsute | In Curse Client, what does "Aborting Install because of working copy" mean? |
| 18:33.07 | kolie | it means it would overwrite a working copy if it continued |
| 18:33.13 | kolie | which it doesnt do, so it aborts. |
| 18:33.25 | nevcairiel | MiniMapster, i have this alpha installed (r42), but i get the r40-release changelog |
| 18:33.32 | nevcairiel | on both |
| 18:33.46 | Hirsute | I'm still not clear: a "working copy" is defined as what (sorry to be dumb) |
| 18:33.57 | kolie | nevcairiel, the title is wrong, the contents are what matters. |
| 18:34.08 | kolie | Hirsute, .svn .hg .git folders. |
| 18:34.19 | Hirsute | kolie: Thank you! |
| 18:34.20 | nevcairiel | I see |
| 18:35.48 | nevcairiel | kolie: while you're here, any idea on http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/tickets/59-improved-addon-description-in-the-client/ ? |
| 18:35.54 | nevcairiel | the ToC is really in the way |
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| 18:36.58 | kolie | that would be from CF |
| 18:36.58 | kolie | I just show whats sent as the changelog for the file. |
| 18:37.01 | nevcairiel | not the changelog, the description |
| 18:37.05 | nevcairiel | but i guess thats the same deal |
| 18:37.08 | kolie | yea. |
| 18:37.15 | nevcairiel | so i yell at ckk? |
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| 18:37.31 | kolie | im not sure, they may yell back at me, start there. |
| 18:37.38 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:38.31 | kolie | gentoo woooo |
| 18:38.40 | kolie | my <3 |
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| 18:40.18 | nevcairiel | anyway, nice work on the client, it looks so much better now |
| 18:41.26 | kolie | thx. Does it behave nice too ;p |
| 18:41.45 | nevcairiel | I meant the overall picture :) |
| 18:41.51 | Pneumatus | hmm, it might actually make more sense to maintain enUS manually but auto-generate other locales from the web translation |
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| 18:42.29 | kolie | hehe im glad you like it. |
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| 18:54.28 | sb|work | hm |
| 18:54.33 | sb|work | is s3d possible with 10 tanks? |
| 18:54.35 | sb|work | err |
| 18:54.37 | sb|work | 2 tanks :) |
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| 18:55.21 | nevcairiel | 25 or 10? |
| 18:55.30 | nevcairiel | personally, i would always take 3 |
| 18:55.32 | durcyn | i wouldn't want to try either with only two |
| 18:55.42 | nevcairiel | one for sarth, one for the blue, and one for the drakes/fires |
| 18:57.14 | Grum | how would you do it with 2? how would you control the 3-20 adds messing about trying to rape healers? :D |
| 18:57.47 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 18:58.04 | Gnarfoz | we have trouble with 3 as it is |
| 18:58.12 | Repo | 10hidelooted: 03Pneumatus * r4 / (5 files in 1 directory): - Prepare strings for translation |
| 18:58.17 | nevcairiel | i dont even know how some guys from my guild tried with one real tank and one respeced DK |
| 18:58.23 | durcyn | i suppose you could have a warrior attempt to tank the drakes and blazes/whelps at the same time |
| 18:58.26 | nevcairiel | suffice to say, they didnt kill it |
| 18:58.36 | durcyn | you'd have to be geared to the teeth |
| 18:58.36 | Grum | 10+3 requires the absolute most from the people going |
| 18:58.52 | Grum | and even then it is a massive wipefest |
| 19:00.53 | Grum | a regular setup takes 3 tank; 2.5 healers and 4.5 dps |
| 19:02.35 | NivFreak | durcyn: I think a Dk has a higher chance for success than a warrior |
| 19:02.44 | NivFreak | our AOE threat abilities have CDs, it's a bitch |
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| 19:02.57 | Repo | 10broker_calendarevents: 03yssaril 07master * v1.0.4-1-g17746a4 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] no need to load the blizzard calendar addon if we dont have to :) |
| 19:02.58 | nevcairiel | DKs have too :P |
| 19:03.10 | NivFreak | not exactly |
| 19:03.14 | durcyn | NivFreak: eh, we've done it with everything but a druid on the blazes, warriors work out best due to shockwave |
| 19:03.17 | NivFreak | they have persisting aoe effects |
| 19:03.17 | nevcairiel | HB has CD |
| 19:03.18 | Repo | 10hidelooted: 03Pneumatus 04v1.0.0 * r5 : Tagging as v1.0.0 |
| 19:03.25 | Repo | 10broker_calendarevents: 03yssaril 04v1.0.5 * 950f224 /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.0.5 |
| 19:03.30 | nevcairiel | we had a druid on blazzes too |
| 19:03.31 | NivFreak | durcyn: are we talking about 10man? |
| 19:03.34 | durcyn | though it's always fun to see prot paladins accidentally tank bosses |
| 19:03.35 | durcyn | NivFreak: Both. |
| 19:03.36 | nevcairiel | they need to play with positioning |
| 19:03.44 | nevcairiel | but it works |
| 19:03.50 | NivFreak | durcyn: it would be rough on 25man when a cyclone hits melee and 6-7 adds spawn and scatter |
| 19:03.51 | Grum | warriors/druids are superior for addhandling @ Sart |
| 19:03.54 | ckknight | nevcairiel: what's up? |
| 19:03.58 | Grum | for the simple reason; they can charge/intervene |
| 19:04.17 | nevcairiel | ckknight: can you control whats send to the addon service description-wise? like, remove the damn wiki TOC? |
| 19:04.21 | ckknight | no |
| 19:04.28 | ckknight | not in a sane way |
| 19:04.30 | ckknight | I want to sync two fields |
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| 19:04.31 | Grum | warriors can save 2 people in a row without any effort |
| 19:04.34 | durcyn | NivFreak: yeah, well, having actually done it multiple times, i think i can judge what works ;) |
| 19:04.35 | ckknight | one description, one summary |
| 19:04.39 | ckknight | but only one is synced now |
| 19:04.44 | ckknight | I should add the summary field |
| 19:04.46 | ckknight | and file a jira ticket |
| 19:04.48 | ckknight | lemme do that |
| 19:04.57 | nevcairiel | yeah jira i cant do :P |
| 19:05.06 | NivFreak | durcyn: I didn't say it was impossible |
| 19:05.35 | Grum | NivFreak: did you just say that adds spawn when people get hit? |
| 19:05.41 | NivFreak | Grum: yes |
| 19:05.51 | Grum | are you 100% sure of that? |
| 19:05.54 | NivFreak | 99% |
| 19:05.58 | durcyn | they also spawn when people don't get hit. |
| 19:06.01 | NivFreak | yep |
| 19:06.12 | NivFreak | but you get multiple spawns at once when they land in a group |
| 19:06.17 | durcyn | i'm not convinced of the correlation between cyclone and blaze |
| 19:06.30 | durcyn | and i'm even less convinced that it's a causal relationship |
| 19:06.45 | NivFreak | well, from doing the fight 60+ times that's what I've observed |
| 19:06.49 | Grum | from what i've seen its really random |
| 19:06.57 | Grum | even when no-one gets hit you can get 10+ in matters of seconds |
| 19:06.57 | NivFreak | not every hit spawns one |
| 19:07.00 | durcyn | well, obviously, the plural of anecdote is fact. |
| 19:07.03 | NivFreak | but it seems to be a solid chance on hit to |
| 19:07.04 | Pneumatus | as i understand it, the number of blazes is directly relational to the number of deep breaths onyxia does on any one given raid week |
| 19:07.16 | NivFreak | Pneumatus: lol |
| 19:07.20 | Grum | you are so right |
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| 19:07.55 | Vangual | so the lowring of onyxia gold rewards is actually a sarth nerf? |
| 19:08.04 | Pneumatus | exactly! |
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| 19:15.44 | Repo | 10ag_unitframes: 03Nevcairiel * r687 / (3 files in 2 directories): TOC, embeds and .pkgmeta tweaks |
| 19:17.55 | Repo | 10ag_unitframes: 03Nevcairiel * r688 / (2 files in 2 directories): more toc tweaks |
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| 19:30.21 | Kuja^ | Zeksie: ping |
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| 19:32.12 | Beutju | http://pastey.net/107616 << is there a better/more elegant way to register an event and call a function if this event is fired? |
| 19:32.50 | Xinhuan | no |
| 19:32.57 | Xinhuan | that is as simple and barebones as it can get |
| 19:33.19 | nevcairiel | AceEvent is more elegant, if you ask me :P |
| 19:33.19 | Xinhuan | also, why even put it in a function |
| 19:33.23 | Xinhuan | FatigueWarner_OnLoad() |
| 19:33.26 | Xinhuan | is redundant |
| 19:34.40 | Xinhuan | http://pastey.net/107620 |
| 19:34.44 | Xinhuan | that is as elegant as you can get ;p |
| 19:35.00 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:35.08 | nevcairiel | i hate having the actual code in the SetScript |
| 19:35.08 | Xinhuan | well minimal |
| 19:35.12 | nevcairiel | define the function first |
| 19:35.15 | nevcairiel | then just set tit there |
| 19:35.20 | Beutju | doesn work without onload |
| 19:35.27 | Xinhuan | i assure you it does |
| 19:35.30 | Repo | 10benecast: 03Wintrow2 * r128 SpellList.lua: Shaman, Warlock and Warrior spells |
| 19:35.43 | Xinhuan | as in, put it in the main code file, not in a function |
| 19:35.48 | Xinhuan | see http://pastey.net/107620 |
| 19:36.28 | Repo | 10benecast: 03Wintrow2 04Beta 10.0.10 * r129 : Tagging as Beta 10.0.10 |
| 19:36.33 | Xinhuan | your OnLoad "function" is redundant because you called it at the end of the file.. so you might as well have it at the end of the file directly |
| 19:36.46 | Xinhuan | and minus the function closure |
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| 19:41.23 | Beutju | ah ok i understood =) |
| 19:42.27 | Kaelten | Hirsute: so apparently it needs the admin access for the updater and to read the registry |
| 19:43.17 | nevcairiel | does the wow updater require admin access? |
| 19:43.30 | Xinhuan | registry? for what |
| 19:44.25 | durcyn | admin access should never be required to read HKEY_CURRENT_USER |
| 19:44.44 | durcyn | are you storing state data in HKLM or something odd? |
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| 19:46.11 | Pneumatus | Kaelten: it needs to be installed somewhere sane then if the updater needs admin, OR only ask for elevation to execute the update |
| 19:46.14 | nevcairiel | I can see the updater require admin access, but it should be able to only elevate itself when actually updating |
| 19:46.17 | nevcairiel | not on every launch |
| 19:46.22 | Pneumatus | this ^^ |
| 19:46.38 | Kaelten | yeah, I'm talking to him about that |
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| 19:47.42 | Kaelten | still not what sure to say about the registry access |
| 19:47.56 | Xinhuan | just say the truth ;p |
| 19:47.56 | nevcairiel | I should run a registry watcher |
| 19:47.59 | nevcairiel | and see what it does |
| 19:48.05 | Pneumatus | what key supposedly needs admin access to retrieve? |
| 19:48.36 | Kaelten | Pneumatus: not sure, I can only assume from other apps |
| 19:48.48 | Kaelten | like wow or war |
| 19:49.05 | Pneumatus | many many many apps use the registry without elevation, anyway |
| 19:49.13 | Xinhuan | wow doesn't use the registry other than to write its installpath |
| 19:49.16 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 19:49.30 | nevcairiel | You need admin access to write new keys into the registry |
| 19:49.39 | nevcairiel | WoW needs to start with admin access once to write its key |
| 19:49.45 | nevcairiel | but it can read it with user access |
| 19:49.52 | durcyn | again, depends on the hive |
| 19:50.04 | nevcairiel | checks where wow lives |
| 19:50.31 | nevcairiel | right, blizz has parts in HKLM |
| 19:50.43 | nevcairiel | Video/Audio is in HKCU |
| 19:50.49 | nevcairiel | Install Path is in HKLM |
| 19:51.08 | nevcairiel | But i think you can read HKLM with user access |
| 19:51.11 | nevcairiel | googles |
| 19:51.20 | Pneumatus | HKLM can be read as any user |
| 19:52.12 | Xinhuan | afaik, wow only uses the installpath, when running its updater to update wow |
| 19:52.19 | Xinhuan | so you could run the wow patch from any folder |
| 19:52.27 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 19:52.33 | nevcairiel | but the CC reads it to find WoW |
| 19:53.03 | Pneumatus | infact, my HKLM\SOFTWARE\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft has full control to Everyone |
| 19:53.08 | Xinhuan | wow.exe updates that installpath key whenever its run i think |
| 19:53.28 | Xinhuan | to its current location |
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| 19:53.39 | Xinhuan | so moving it to a different folder works |
| 19:53.42 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: once the key is created, yes. |
| 19:53.53 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: if they key does not exist yet, it cannot create it. |
| 19:54.06 | nevcairiel | they=the |
| 19:54.35 | Pneumatus | HKLM\SOFTWARE has read access to "Users" anyway |
| 19:54.41 | Pneumatus | so the curse client should never have a problem |
| 19:54.48 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:54.52 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 19:54.55 | Kaelten | I'll have to get more info |
| 19:54.57 | nevcairiel | how do you look that up? =P |
| 19:55.00 | Kaelten | my knowledge of the registry is short |
| 19:55.07 | Pneumatus | right click on a key and hit permissions :) |
| 19:55.30 | nevcairiel | ah there |
| 19:55.33 | nevcairiel | i didnt see that before |
| 19:55.43 | nevcairiel | its not even read to "Users", its "Everyone" |
| 19:55.49 | nevcairiel | but write access only for admins |
| 19:56.34 | Pneumatus | but yeh, anyone should be able to read for the keys existance and contents without elevation |
| 19:57.01 | Pneumatus | and as has been said before, the CC actually runs fine without elevation |
| 19:57.20 | Pneumatus | assuming you're WoW is in a sane location |
| 19:57.28 | Pneumatus | *your |
| 19:58.27 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: i have some friends that work on windows apps, if you need to know something i could forward some questions |
| 19:59.04 | Kaelten | just trying to manage my knowledge vs that of the devs :) |
| 19:59.45 | Repo | 10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r39 SurgeonGeneral.lua: |
| 19:59.48 | Repo | Bugfix: Message: ..\AddOns\SurgeonGeneral\SurgeonGeneral.lua line 521: attempt to index field 'db2' (a nil value) |
| 20:00.45 | Kaelten | I need someone who's still using the old version of the client |
| 20:01.25 | Pneumatus | havnt they all auto-updated? |
| 20:01.32 | Kaelten | no I mean the 2.0 line |
| 20:01.36 | Pneumatus | or the old old client :o |
| 20:01.41 | Kaelten | yea the old old |
| 20:01.45 | nevcairiel | i could install it, if that helps |
| 20:02.10 | Kaelten | well I want someone who's been using it to try the new one and get some fresh perspective, also see how well their stuff has been ID'd |
| 20:02.17 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 20:02.21 | nevcairiel | well that fails :P |
| 20:02.56 | steev | woo curse updater! |
| 20:03.00 | steev | haven't seen that window in a while |
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| 20:09.27 | Matrix110 | is it odd to still update your AddOns if you have stopped playing and dont even have a paid account? :P |
| 20:09.47 | Repo | 10barrel: 03copystring * r52 / (7 files in 2 directories): Barrel: |
| 20:09.50 | Repo | - updated .pkgmeta |
| 20:09.53 | Repo | - new feature: hiding launchers and/or non launchers |
| 20:09.56 | nevcairiel | Matrix110: nah |
| 20:09.56 | Repo | - major code optimization, include LibDBIcon-1.0 |
| 20:10.13 | Matrix110 | omfg having turned up speakers and IRC highlight = bad |
| 20:10.18 | Matrix110 | I almost had a heartattack |
| 20:10.20 | nevcairiel | Matrix110: nah |
| 20:10.24 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:10.29 | Matrix110 | I turned them down :D |
| 20:10.38 | copystring | hello :P |
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| 20:14.55 | Repo | 10barrel: 03copystring 040.3-beta * r53 : Tagging as 0.3-beta |
| 20:16.29 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1461 / (5 files in 1 directory): Start adding some mini-map integration with Astrolabe |
| 20:18.23 | Beutju | ok another problem; I registered the event MIRROR_TIMER_START and then I want to get local timer = GetMirrorTimerInfo(1) - the problem is; that when the event triggers the timer value is unknown; but after a shor time it has the correct value - so how can I make a small pause or something else? |
| 20:18.54 | Beutju | wait a few frames or something? |
| 20:18.55 | NeoTron | WTB artists. always an issue for OSS it seems |
| 20:19.09 | ckknight | NeoTron: learn to draw? |
| 20:19.10 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:19.16 | NeoTron | heh |
| 20:19.25 | NeoTron | well first of all I'm about 99% color blind |
| 20:19.27 | NeoTron | that doesn't help |
| 20:19.37 | ckknight | oh, yea |
| 20:19.39 | ckknight | that'd suck |
| 20:20.10 | NeoTron | when people ask if I'm red/green, blue/purple, red/brown, [whatever] color blind I can simply answer "yes" |
| 20:20.17 | Matrix110 | uhm you mean real color blind so you see basically black and white with a little tint? |
| 20:20.17 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:20.55 | NeoTron | Matrix110: I'm not 100% color blind so technically I am not BLIND but deficient |
| 20:21.14 | NeoTron | but I have 1% of the color receptacles of a normal person so I bet my colors are very bland compared to normal vision |
| 20:21.30 | Matrix110 | :-( |
| 20:21.42 | ckknight | doodles a pretty picture with no saturation or brightness difference, but plenty of different hues |
| 20:22.06 | NeoTron | I don't really notice it obviously since it's always been like this. I bet if I magically got full normal color vision I would haev a really rough time due to color overload |
| 20:23.35 | Stanzilla | giggles at AckisWork |
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| 20:35.18 | nevcairiel | ckknight: did you see the reports of people being unable to tag their SVN repos using pure svn? they had to use the web thingy |
| 20:35.29 | nevcairiel | apparently a hook yells at them |
| 20:35.35 | ckknight | yea, need to look into that |
| 20:42.34 | Pneumatus | ckknight: did i ever make a ticket about having projects chose a "primary" category which the CC could then use, rather than just showing the first alphabetical category? |
| 20:42.59 | ckknight | shrugs |
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| 20:44.43 | Beutju | is there anywhere some sample code which pauses a function for a few miliseconds? |
| 20:48.42 | Shefki | Beutju: You really don't want to do that. |
| 20:48.44 | taleden | I don't think there's a way to "pause" in the middle of a function and have the function resume from that point later |
| 20:48.59 | taleden | but you can set an OnUpdate handler to continue the work, which will be called on the next frame draw |
| 20:50.01 | Shefki | Depending on what you're doing coroutines may be an option. |
| 20:51.21 | nevcairiel | the addon engine is single-threaded. Hell the whole game synchronizes on the lua thread |
| 20:51.22 | Shefki | If you wrap your function in a coroutine and yield out of it and then delay resuming from the OnUpdate based on a timer you can safely get a pause. |
| 20:51.27 | nevcairiel | if you stop it, the whole game freezes |
| 20:52.01 | nevcairiel | You can already notice that when you scan the AH with Auctioneer |
| 20:52.11 | nevcairiel | at the end of the scan, when it processes the data |
| 20:52.16 | Beutju | this is the problem: I registered the event MIRROR_TIMER_START and then I want to get local timer = GetMirrorTimerInfo(1) - the problem is; that when the event triggers the timer value is unknown; but after a shor time it has the correct value |
| 20:52.17 | nevcairiel | it freezes for a short time |
| 20:52.22 | Beutju | code: http://pastey.net/107628 |
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| 20:52.31 | NeoTron | lua has coroutines/yield type functionality? |
| 20:52.35 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:52.37 | Xinhuan | yes neotron |
| 20:52.44 | nevcairiel | ~pil |
| 20:52.45 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:52.48 | nevcairiel | ^ |
| 20:52.57 | Xinhuan | how do you think routes does background route generation? |
| 20:53.03 | Shefki | Yup I use it for handling stack splits safely in TBag. |
| 20:53.05 | Xinhuan | its loops are like 11 layers deep |
| 20:53.09 | taleden | Beutju: do your timer-reading-reacting-whatever in a "FatigueWarner_OnUpdate" function |
| 20:53.13 | Xinhuan | no way i can do it without yields |
| 20:53.25 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: never paid too much thought to it |
| 20:53.32 | taleden | in your OnEvent, do "frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', FatigueWarner_OnUpdate)" |
| 20:53.36 | Shefki | Beutju: Most ddons do something like this for problems like that. |
| 20:53.39 | taleden | and in the OnUpdate, do SetScript(OnUpdate,nil) to remove it |
| 20:53.56 | Shefki | Beutju: They bucket the event, by setting a table up with the info from the event. |
| 20:54.00 | NeoTron | I don't know if this is something I'd ever need, but it's nice to know |
| 20:54.04 | Shefki | And then process it on the next OnUpdate. |
| 20:54.20 | Shefki | By the time the OnUpdate is called the funcntion you're needing should have the proper info. |
| 20:54.24 | Beutju | ok I'll try |
| 20:54.29 | Beutju | thanks |
| 20:55.46 | taleden | Beutju: http://pastey.net/107629 |
| 20:56.10 | taleden | (OnEvent and OnScript both get the frame as the first argument, right?) |
| 20:56.25 | nevcairiel | OnScript? |
| 20:56.28 | taleden | er, Onupdate |
| 20:56.35 | nevcairiel | but yes, all frame handlers get the frame first |
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| 21:02.43 | Aeyan | Hehe, it's a funny study in art styles. I spend a few hours playing Fallout 3 and then I log into WoW. My first response went something like, "Hsssssssst!" *shies away from the light and color* |
| 21:03.13 | NeoTron | it's funny - when I came to WoW alpha from SWG, I thought wow had horribly ugly graphics |
| 21:03.35 | Aeyan | I've always enjoyed WoW's graphics |
| 21:03.38 | Aeyan | Well, for the most part |
| 21:03.43 | NeoTron | unrealistic and all. I still think many WoW tree's are ugly as heck but I have come to really like the animations of mobs/players |
| 21:03.53 | Hirsute | Kaelten: You said you created a ticket for the UAC escalation prompt behavior in 2.1.1.11? |
| 21:03.55 | nevcairiel | I loved WoW when i at first played it in the US closed beta |
| 21:04.14 | NeoTron | but it's a bit sad that WoW just recently got shadows (on characters specificaly) when SWG had that 2 years before WoW came out |
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| 21:04.23 | ulic | SWG played like crap on my machine, even with all the graphics turned down I'd get like 5fps in some place, worse than Shatt and Dalaran, so WoW was a welcomed change. |
| 21:04.24 | Kaelten | Hirsute: yes |
| 21:04.52 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: it's more about being used to X and going to Y |
| 21:05.09 | NeoTron | initially before the profiliation of addons, the WoW UI was very stringent and inflexible compared to SWG |
| 21:05.29 | NeoTron | and I absolutely couldn't, still can't, stand the "many little bags" bag system :) |
| 21:05.38 | Kaelten | NeoTron: OneBag3 |
| 21:05.56 | Hirsute | Kaelten: Okay, I just looked for the ticket in case I could provide any pertinent information, but couldn't find it on curseforge. Let me know if you need any further information. Also, I think ticket #85 (http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/tickets/85-failure-to-updtate-certain-addons-to-the-latest-detected) may be related to this one. I added my observations to the comments |
| 21:06.14 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 21:06.21 | Kaelten | yeah it's on our internal tracker |
| 21:06.25 | NeoTron | Kaelten: oh trust me, I've had "one bag" type system in place forever |
| 21:06.40 | Kaelten | NeoTron: :P |
| 21:07.05 | Hirsute | Sounds good. |
| 21:08.05 | NeoTron | Baggins atm. I used EngInventory back in the days |
| 21:08.17 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:08.29 | NeoTron | the very first bag addon I used actually sorted your bags by moving objects around |
| 21:08.51 | NeoTron | didn't work too well |
| 21:10.19 | Bruners | bankstack is ok |
| 21:10.46 | casualcorps | still using Arkinventory here, but have been meaning to check out Onebag3.. but after so many filters and things in ark, its daunting to set it all back up again |
| 21:10.59 | NeoTron | I used ark for a while but switched due to performance issues |
| 21:11.09 | NeoTron | it caused noticeable hickups for me while looting etc |
| 21:11.11 | kenlyric | I couldn't leave ark |
| 21:11.23 | kenlyric | I'd not know where anything was in my bags |
| 21:11.26 | casualcorps | yeah it is slow, this is true |
| 21:11.30 | NeoTron | I'm not fully happy with Baggins. for example I despite the configuration UI |
| 21:11.50 | kenlyric | I wish some pt sets weren't so stupid |
| 21:11.54 | nevcairiel | I use Combuctor, i dun need no stinkin sorting or categorizing |
| 21:12.03 | kenlyric | but at least now ark can easily move stuff to other sets |
| 21:12.07 | casualcorps | ill have to check onebag3.. as long as it has the same functionality, where i can have it put my tank gear in one spot, kitty gear in a spot, quest items, food/regents, etc |
| 21:12.37 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: so how does that work? You specify tabs that have specific filters? |
| 21:12.37 | Zhinjio | casualcorps: it can't. |
| 21:12.57 | casualcorps | ahh :P |
| 21:13.05 | Hirsute | Anyone here a Baggins user? |
| 21:13.05 | taleden | I always preferred to organize my own bags to having some addon do it, partly because I'm a druid and have 4 complete gear sets lying around |
| 21:13.08 | taleden | plus another 5 resistance sets in BC |
| 21:13.08 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: no, i have one big honking bag, and i sort it with my brainz. like gear in the bottom, reagents/potions to the top :P |
| 21:13.18 | taleden | so I needed to be able to swap a whole bag from the bank and have the right stuff in that bag |
| 21:13.22 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: see that's too time consuming for me :P |
| 21:13.28 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 21:13.29 | nevcairiel | really |
| 21:13.31 | NeoTron | and would get messed up when swapping gear |
| 21:13.35 | NeoTron | or looting |
| 21:13.37 | casualcorps | taleden: same, but since i use outfitter to manage the outfit, i just have Ark sort each outfit into its own area.. and use outfitter to deposit/withdraw items |
| 21:13.37 | NeoTron | or anyting |
| 21:13.42 | NivFreak | NeoTron: agreed, cumbuctor rocks |
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| 21:13.44 | nevcairiel | never had problems |
| 21:13.44 | NeoTron | I despise manually sorting stuff |
| 21:13.45 | NivFreak | er |
| 21:13.48 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: you even |
| 21:14.03 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: it would take so much longer to properly set up a auto-sorting addon |
| 21:14.06 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 21:14.10 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: yes and some people like making the guild bank have a perfect organization. I'm the direct opposite |
| 21:14.14 | taleden | casual: I still like itemrack best, but I never let it deal with swapping to the bank, it just jumbles everything up |
| 21:14.15 | NeoTron | it's a personality thing |
| 21:14.18 | Zhinjio | baggins does all the work for sorting that I need it to. However, yes, its config sucks balls |
| 21:14.21 | NeoTron | you probably have a spotless desk too.. |
| 21:14.27 | nevcairiel | i dont |
| 21:14.29 | nevcairiel | its totally dirty |
| 21:14.30 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:14.38 | Hirsute | Zhinjio: Do you have Baggins replace your Bank window? |
| 21:14.40 | viisual | pics! |
| 21:14.43 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 21:14.49 | nevcairiel | I insist on cleaning stuff on my comp though |
| 21:14.53 | NeoTron | and setting baggins or similar up is a one-time thing |
| 21:14.53 | nevcairiel | real life, shrug |
| 21:14.58 | Hirsute | Is it just me, or does clicking Baggins bank window closed not actually close the bank? |
| 21:15.01 | Zhinjio | I also have baggins_outfitter |
| 21:15.09 | Zhinjio | so it knows which gear is part of gear sets |
| 21:15.14 | NeoTron | I make a tweak each expansion for new stuff if needed and then I'm good for another 2 years |
| 21:15.29 | Zhinjio | NeoTron: agreed |
| 21:15.30 | NeoTron | Hirsute: that's very possible yes. |
| 21:15.31 | nevcairiel | some items dont fit in one category |
| 21:15.42 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: it's not perfect :) |
| 21:15.49 | nevcairiel | see, i need perfect |
| 21:15.51 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:16.03 | Hirsute | NeoTron: Okay. I find that to reopen the bank if I close it with Baggins running, I actually have to walk a few steps away from the banker, then walk back. |
| 21:16.05 | nevcairiel | and automated solutions are usually never prefect |
| 21:16.12 | Zhinjio | well, if you're willing to spend the time in the config, you can make it as perfect as you want. |
| 21:16.23 | NeoTron | Hirsute: same |
| 21:16.26 | Hirsute | Okay. |
| 21:16.30 | Hirsute | Glad it isn't just me. |
| 21:16.43 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I know a couple of people just like you and I accept we're different. :) |
| 21:17.00 | NeoTron | I can't stand manually sorting stuff. you can't stand it not being perfectly sorted |
| 21:17.24 | kenlyric | I'm both |
| 21:17.33 | kenlyric | hence, Ark |
| 21:18.35 | NivFreak | cumbuctor is nice because it has a few simple filters |
| 21:18.42 | NivFreak | and then a freeform seach box at the top |
| 21:18.45 | Gngsk | nevcairiel, any chance you'll ever be adding args back to bt's slash cmd? |
| 21:18.54 | NivFreak | it requires no setup at all |
| 21:19.04 | nevcairiel | yeah the search box is awesome |
| 21:19.24 | nevcairiel | Gngsk: maybe a simple subset, what do you want to use it for? |
| 21:19.30 | kenlyric | it puts boe and bound items together, which I dislike for my disenchanter |
| 21:19.38 | Gngsk | mainly just to toggle lock |
| 21:19.46 | Gngsk | /bar lock |
| 21:19.47 | kenlyric | I just like to set a path of destruction over my boe category |
| 21:19.49 | NivFreak | yea, I would like a BoE filter |
| 21:19.51 | Gngsk | instead of /bar, clicking |
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| 21:21.05 | Gngsk | i've tried to get used to it, but after 6 months it still feels like the old way is faster. i guess it's just preference it's not like I won't already be using my mouse. |
| 21:21.28 | nevcairiel | I want to get some simple options back |
| 21:21.37 | Gngsk | cool, yeah they're useful :) |
| 21:21.38 | nevcairiel | like, lock, show/hide bars |
| 21:22.07 | Gngsk | the whole subset of config doesn't need to be accessible via slash just the things you'd do most often |
| 21:22.54 | Xinhuan | ~api unitrace |
| 21:22.55 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_unitrace |
| 21:22.59 | Xinhuan | !api unitrace |
| 21:23.01 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitrace': UnitRace, UnitRaceBase |
| 21:23.29 | Xinhuan | !api UnitRace |
| 21:23.30 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitRace' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitRace |
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| 21:37.15 | NivFreak | Jeffrey Kaplan: The real goal is throughout the Warcraft games how many times can you kill Mal'Ganis? |
| 21:37.19 | NivFreak | lol |
| 21:39.05 | End | haha |
| 21:41.20 | Shefki | WTH D&R is filled with old posts some of which that appear to have been bumped but some are just there for no apparent reason. |
| 21:41.59 | Shefki | E.G.: How Kara is Destroying Guilds, Fastest route for timed event in ZA, 4 pc T6 needed for Sunwell?, ... |
| 21:43.30 | Shefki | Hmm it's not just D&R... all forums seem to be showing ancient threads as new. |
| 21:45.23 | Repo | 10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm * r15 / (2 files in 1 directory): Broker_ChannelWatch |
| 21:45.26 | Repo | -made tooltip local |
| 21:45.41 | Pneumatus | sexleg spam perhaps? |
| 21:45.42 | Repo | 10broker-itemlist: 03Morgalm * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): Broker_Itemlist |
| 21:45.45 | Repo | -made tooltip local |
| 21:45.46 | NeoTron | kara destroying guilds - think I missed that one |
| 21:45.50 | NeoTron | SWP on the other hand... :) |
| 21:46.12 | End | some guilds had trouble going from 10man to 25man |
| 21:46.14 | Shefki | Pneumatus: Hmm I guess if they deleted the post that bumped them yeah. |
| 21:46.26 | sb|work | bahhh |
| 21:46.28 | sb|work | s3d SUCKS :o |
| 21:46.35 | Shefki | The original Kara was actually hard for a lot of people. |
| 21:46.44 | durcyn | sb|work: why? |
| 21:46.49 | Shefki | A lot of people have forgotten how much they nerfed Kara over TBC. |
| 21:46.55 | NivFreak | End: I think it was more the 40 -> 10 -> 25 |
| 21:46.55 | NeoTron | I found it a lot harder to try to run two 10 man groups than 1 25 man |
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| 21:47.06 | sb|work | durcyn: dont know, its just hard :) |
| 21:47.19 | sb|work | but i think we can do it next week |
| 21:47.21 | NeoTron | 10 man is pretty insane |
| 21:47.22 | durcyn | it's not supposed to be easy. what problem are you having? |
| 21:47.34 | NeoTron | I feel 10-man is slightly too hard. 25 man I think is about right |
| 21:47.42 | sb|work | mh, ppl dying at last few shadron percents |
| 21:47.49 | NeoTron | I mean I know it's supposed to be hard but 10 man is just nowhere near as "easy" as 25 man |
| 21:47.57 | sb|work | so 2-3% shadron, vesperon + disciple up, dying people :/ |
| 21:48.06 | End | 2 drakes should be harder imo |
| 21:48.17 | durcyn | twilight torment's a bitch, gotta switch to real raid healing there |
| 21:48.19 | sb|work | because oyu have to keep the MT hat 100% every time, so people could die because of twilight torment |
| 21:48.33 | sb|work | MT 90% -> breath -> wipe ;) |
| 21:48.50 | NivFreak | how many healers? |
| 21:48.52 | sb|work | but yea.. i think we can do it next week |
| 21:48.52 | sb|work | 3 |
| 21:48.55 | NeoTron | I think the main issue with 10 man S3D is that it requires muru-like group considerations |
| 21:49.02 | sb|work | 2 tank, 3 healer |
| 21:49.02 | NeoTron | you have to almost perfectly optimize the raid for it |
| 21:49.07 | End | yeah |
| 21:49.09 | durcyn | you have one too many healers |
| 21:49.15 | sb|work | too many? mhhh |
| 21:49.21 | Shefki | Yes... |
| 21:49.21 | NeoTron | we go wit, now, 3 tanks, 2 healer + elemental shaman |
| 21:49.24 | Pneumatus | yeh, needs to be 3 healers |
| 21:49.25 | Pneumatus | er |
| 21:49.25 | End | unlike 25man you can't assume you'll have full buffs |
| 21:49.25 | NivFreak | sb|work: the guilds on our server that have done 10 man, use 3 tanks 3 healers |
| 21:49.27 | Skellum | Doesnt matter if you need M'uru like comps |
| 21:49.28 | Pneumatus | 2 healers |
| 21:49.28 | NeoTron | how can you do it with 2 tanks? |
| 21:49.33 | Shefki | 3 healers slows how fast you take down the drakes and increases the amount of healing needed. |
| 21:49.35 | Skellum | You're going for a vanity pet, not progression |
| 21:49.37 | sb|work | i have no idea how to do it with 2 healers :) |
| 21:49.44 | Skellum | Sorry, mount |
| 21:49.49 | durcyn | well, with two, one of them has to be a paladin |
| 21:49.50 | NeoTron | Skellum: the 310% mount is not "vanity". it's better... |
| 21:50.07 | NeoTron | it's the ultimate in upgrades imho since it'll last forever |
| 21:50.08 | Shefki | NeoTron: You don't need 10 man 3d to get a 310% mount. |
| 21:50.13 | Shefki | You can get one from 25 man. |
| 21:50.19 | NivFreak | but you need immortal |
| 21:50.19 | NeoTron | of course |
| 21:50.20 | sb|work | and 25 3d is easy :o |
| 21:50.21 | Kalroth | The 10 man is easier :p |
| 21:50.21 | Skellum | The black drake isnt 310 |
| 21:50.23 | NeoTron | but it's easier in 10 man overall |
| 21:50.24 | NivFreak | which is harder than 25man 3drakes ;) |
| 21:50.24 | sb|work | but immortal 25 |
| 21:50.26 | sb|work | is like... |
| 21:50.28 | sb|work | impossible? :p |
| 21:50.33 | NivFreak | nah |
| 21:50.34 | Skellum | and you can always get it post 3.1 with better gear |
| 21:50.36 | NivFreak | but tircky ;) |
| 21:50.39 | durcyn | paladin on the sarth tank with beacon on the blaze tank works pretty well, then you have a druid or priest on the drake tank/raid with an ele shaman or shadow priest backing them up when the vesperon disciple spawns |
| 21:50.40 | NeoTron | I need 6m malygos, 8 man malygos, 3d and the stupid volcano thing for my 10 man mount |
| 21:50.40 | NivFreak | tricky* |
| 21:50.42 | Shefki | Umm both the raider drakes are 310% |
| 21:50.47 | Skellum | Yes they are |
| 21:50.51 | durcyn | the extra dps shortens the fight enough that it's worth dropping the third healer |
| 21:50.53 | Skellum | But they arent required |
| 21:50.55 | Kalroth | Sarth10+3 is easier with a druid that doesn't need cooldowns to survive though |
| 21:50.58 | Skellum | Its not progression |
| 21:51.11 | NivFreak | NeoTron: just go suicide for the volcano one |
| 21:51.13 | durcyn | when will people realize that if you kill stuff faster, you don't have to heal as much :| |
| 21:51.13 | sb|work | durcyn: same should apply to 2 tank + 3 healer |
| 21:51.15 | NivFreak | I got it legit though :) |
| 21:51.26 | NivFreak | durcyn: overall healing isn't always the problem |
| 21:51.33 | NeoTron | NivFreak: oh I will once it gets to that |
| 21:51.33 | NivFreak | sometimes it's coverage and spikes |
| 21:51.35 | sb|work | its 5 dps, just like 3 healer + 2 tank ;p |
| 21:51.44 | NeoTron | NivFreak: right now.. I'm tanking so might not be appreciated :P |
| 21:51.47 | sb|work | and yes, its not that hard with 2 tanks |
| 21:51.54 | NivFreak | NeoTron: have your OT tank :) |
| 21:51.59 | Kalroth | We did it with 3 tanks, 3 healers and 4 dps - it's fine if dps doesn't slack |
| 21:52.14 | sb|work | at least we can get shadron down to 1-10%% |
| 21:52.14 | NivFreak | Kalroth: melee or ranged stacked dps? |
| 21:52.18 | NeoTron | with 2t/2h/6dps how do you do the tanking? |
| 21:52.18 | sb|work | so its not a too many tank issue |
| 21:52.30 | sb|work | 2t/3h/5dps it is :) |
| 21:52.35 | Kalroth | We had 1 ret paladin, 1 huntard, 1 mage and 1 warlock |
| 21:52.41 | NivFreak | I'm still not sure how people manage 2 tanks on 3drakes |
| 21:52.46 | sb|work | 1 tank sartharion, 1 tank whelps (tricks of the trade + fan of knives) + drakes |
| 21:52.50 | NeoTron | I found 2 tank with 1 drake ws hard |
| 21:53.05 | Kalroth | You need a DK to tank drakes + adds with 2 tanks only |
| 21:53.06 | NivFreak | it's just the lava blaze controlt |
| 21:53.09 | Kalroth | Mayhaps a paladin |
| 21:53.12 | NeoTron | tricks of the trade works with FoK? |
| 21:53.13 | sb|work | pally, right |
| 21:53.16 | Repo | 10broker-itemlist: 03Morgalm 04v1.2 * r8 : Tagging as v1.2 |
| 21:53.19 | sb|work | ofcourse |
| 21:53.21 | sb|work | it rocks :) |
| 21:53.23 | NeoTron | op |
| 21:53.26 | NivFreak | that's good to know |
| 21:53.28 | NivFreak | I had no idea |
| 21:53.29 | NeoTron | so it's in some ways superior to MD |
| 21:53.31 | Kalroth | I wouldn't try 2 healers and 2 tanks though |
| 21:53.34 | NeoTron | since it's time based |
| 21:53.37 | Repo | 10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm 04v1.6 * r16 : Tagging as v1.6 |
| 21:53.38 | NeoTron | not attack count based |
| 21:53.40 | Kalroth | the drake tank takes TONS of damage |
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| 21:53.53 | NivFreak | well, if I were going for a viable 5 dps group |
| 21:53.56 | Kalroth | when also tanking whelps |
| 21:53.58 | AckisWork | @project broker-channelwatch |
| 21:54.00 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/broker-channelwatch/. Broker_ChannelWatch. Game: WoW. Morgalm (Manager/Author). Updated: 3 seconds ago |
| 21:54.03 | NivFreak | I would personally prefer something like 3tanks/2heal to 2tanks/3heal |
| 21:54.04 | NeoTron | one trick for 2h is to have a hybrid that can heal after first drake is down |
| 21:54.08 | NivFreak | just because tanks do dmg |
| 21:54.10 | NivFreak | :) |
| 21:54.20 | NivFreak | assuming both are viable |
| 21:54.32 | Kalroth | We had our third tank (DK) tank the adds on top of Shadron, worked well |
| 21:54.45 | sb|work | Kalroth: i cant kick the pally healer |
| 21:54.49 | NeoTron | elemental shaman, boomkin, maybe shadow priest. not sure which one(s) are best but chain heal is nice for torment |
| 21:54.50 | sb|work | and i cant also kick my gf |
| 21:54.53 | Kalroth | you don't need to, sb |
| 21:54.56 | sb|work | so... no, has to work with 3 healers :P |
| 21:55.19 | NeoTron | we've gone with holy priest/pally healers |
| 21:55.32 | sb|work | me priest, pally other guy, shaman gf |
| 21:55.33 | sb|work | :P |
| 21:55.37 | NeoTron | not sure if that's really a good combo since pally can't heal while moving meaning unfortunate wave and/or zone => me dead |
| 21:55.40 | NivFreak | well you need BL |
| 21:55.47 | NeoTron | elemental shammy |
| 21:55.47 | NivFreak | so you need a shammy somewhere |
| 21:55.48 | Kalroth | Sarth tank: A druid with 277+ resist and ~45-46k health, you don't need any cooldowns on him to survive breaths with this |
| 21:56.02 | Kalroth | Drake tank: Warrior to sunder the bitches up and overall good aggro |
| 21:56.08 | NivFreak | our druid has 54K health buffed iirc |
| 21:56.09 | NeoTron | I'll make my druid stack up the stuff |
| 21:56.13 | NivFreak | we use no fire resist |
| 21:56.14 | sb|work | but i think its possible... we will see next week :) |
| 21:56.15 | NeoTron | what does he/she wear for resist? |
| 21:56.21 | Kalroth | Add tank: DK with aoe shit and once Shadron lands he'll dps him too |
| 21:56.48 | Kalroth | paladin aura, flask of resists, green FR cloak from TBC with +20 fr enchant and inferno chest |
| 21:57.08 | NivFreak | they need to make revenge apply sunder now |
| 21:57.15 | drweird | nivfr: yeah, just over 54k |
| 21:57.22 | Kalroth | Aura/totem: 130 FR |
| 21:57.22 | Kalroth | Flask of resist: 50 FR |
| 21:57.22 | Kalroth | Wyrmcultist's Cloak: 44 FR (with 20 FR from enchant) |
| 21:57.22 | Kalroth | Inferno Leggings: 55 FR |
| 21:57.37 | NivFreak | the new warrior high threat rotation takes like 25-30 seconds to apply a 5stack of sunder |
| 21:57.37 | drweird | tho on our kill attempt, kallisti did have his fire aura on.. but i used no other fire resist gear |
| 21:57.40 | Kalroth | total of 279 FR, which makes you resist 30% or more of the breath damage |
| 21:57.40 | NivFreak | it's insane |
| 21:57.58 | drweird | with the turtles, the breaths were barely hitting me |
| 21:58.01 | Cavisty^gerber | Any reason why carbonite doesn't follow my character on the map anymore? |
| 21:58.08 | NivFreak | yea, roar of sacrafice ftw |
| 21:58.20 | Kalroth | drweird: Sure, but the pet dps would be better on Shadron :p |
| 21:58.29 | NivFreak | Kalroth: dps in our 25man is fine |
| 21:58.33 | NivFreak | we won't do that for 10man |
| 21:58.43 | NivFreak | tenebron dies as shadron lands |
| 21:58.47 | Kalroth | Sarth25+3 is irrelevant, can do it with any setup |
| 21:58.51 | Kalroth | I'm on about 10+3 only |
| 21:58.51 | NivFreak | 1-2 seconds before he's active |
| 21:59.09 | NivFreak | Kalroth: the breath is also somewhat lower on 10man isn't it? |
| 21:59.14 | NeoTron | oh right flask of resist didn't exist before |
| 21:59.15 | Kalroth | yes |
| 21:59.16 | NivFreak | a few K after multipliers |
| 21:59.28 | TradeMark | my guild is attempting 10+2 tonight... recruitment has meant we've only had one guild 25-man run xD will be interesting in ilevel 200 gear |
| 21:59.40 | NivFreak | 10man 2 drake is easy |
| 21:59.45 | NivFreak | well |
| 21:59.46 | drweird | yeah, im probably going to be using resist flask going forward, since the health flask isnt as necessary at 54k+ |
| 21:59.46 | sb|work | but |
| 21:59.46 | NivFreak | relatively |
| 21:59.50 | TradeMark | harder than 25+2 apparently |
| 21:59.59 | NivFreak | I really didn't think it was |
| 22:00.04 | NivFreak | I've done both |
| 22:00.12 | TradeMark | we'll be taking 2 tanks so it's down to DPS to drop tenebron quickly |
| 22:00.16 | NeoTron | break can hit up to 59k vs 75k or so unmitigated |
| 22:00.17 | sb|work | dont have the sartharion tank to tank tenebron as well if you have melee dps :p |
| 22:00.19 | drweird | the hardest part about 25+3, was the 15 addition people with chance to not pay attention =) |
| 22:00.20 | sb|work | *bonk* |
| 22:00.28 | NivFreak | drweird: agreed ;) |
| 22:00.33 | NivFreak | in fact |
| 22:00.43 | NivFreak | 10man had less void zone failure |
| 22:00.44 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 22:00.49 | NivFreak | by a largish margin |
| 22:01.11 | sb|work | "ah okay, lets do 2d, is easy, just let him take tenebron as well.. " - "okay..." - "uhm... and how are we supposted to dps THERE???" |
| 22:01.15 | sb|work | *sigh* :) |
| 22:01.42 | NivFreak | what the MT? |
| 22:01.55 | TradeMark | I went in a one drake pug that insisted on tanking tenebron underneath sarth o.O |
| 22:02.00 | NivFreak | you can use baby spice on sartharion to shrink him :) |
| 22:02.18 | TradeMark | two waves of whelps in, tenebron was still on 80% cause noone could target the damn thing |
| 22:02.31 | NivFreak | TradeMark: baby spice ftw |
| 22:02.37 | TradeMark | hah didn't think of that ;) |
| 22:02.44 | NivFreak | that's what you were missing ;) |
| 22:02.44 | NeoTron | NivFreak: that just affects size right, not anything real? |
| 22:03.04 | NivFreak | I'm not sure about his hit box / tail swipe |
| 22:03.04 | Gnarfoz | affects hit box, too |
| 22:03.13 | NivFreak | but it certainly makes it easier to see |
| 22:03.24 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: seriously? |
| 22:03.27 | Gnarfoz | some idiot used it on shadron the other ID... |
| 22:03.29 | NeoTron | seems... a bit wrong |
| 22:03.33 | NivFreak | lol |
| 22:03.37 | NeoTron | how long does it last? |
| 22:03.38 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: that would suck |
| 22:03.40 | NivFreak | 30 seconds neo |
| 22:03.44 | Gnarfoz | it wouldn't, it does! :P |
| 22:04.01 | NivFreak | the drakes already have a retardly small hit box |
| 22:04.07 | Gnarfoz | indeed. :p |
| 22:04.10 | Gnarfoz | tank couldn't hit it anymore |
| 22:04.12 | NivFreak | haha |
| 22:04.15 | NeoTron | at least tenebron doesn't randomly fly to her eggs anymore |
| 22:04.17 | NeoTron | that was fun |
| 22:04.20 | Gnarfoz | lost half of our melee (who are fucking blind to begin with) because they clumped up in a void zone |
| 22:04.27 | NivFreak | NeoTron: yea I noticed that post-3.0.8 |
| 22:04.32 | NeoTron | "wtfbreath on raid wipe... again... damn it" |
| 22:04.33 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: doesn't? hm. still flies away to cast void zone, though |
| 22:04.37 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: we required deviates haha |
| 22:04.40 | NivFreak | damn cow asses |
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| 22:04.53 | Repo | trying to get calendar open event to populate the player frame |
| 22:05.00 | NivFreak | clearly it's harder for the horde to do 3drakes |
| 22:05.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm a tentacle paladin with berserking enchanted... my Divine Storm looks like Void zones :P |
| 22:05.04 | NivFreak | cow asses and orc shoulders |
| 22:05.10 | NivFreak | obstruct the shadow fissures |
| 22:05.34 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: our ret pally complained about that too :) |
| 22:05.43 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: clearly get a disgusting oozling pet |
| 22:05.58 | Gnarfoz | indeed... it actually became a problem for myself, didn't think that would ever happen |
| 22:06.08 | Gnarfoz | but the encounter is so full of crap going on... :p |
| 22:06.21 | Gnarfoz | anyway, solved by actually zooming in instead of far out |
| 22:06.25 | NeoTron | my main wtf with that encounter is the amount of luck involved |
| 22:06.27 | NivFreak | I enjoyed running across the platform with shadron only to find myself headed for a void zone during a lava wave |
| 22:06.39 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: fun tiems :D |
| 22:06.48 | NivFreak | and doing some quick calculations on what risk to take |
| 22:06.55 | NivFreak | void zone, lava wave, breath on raid |
| 22:06.59 | Kalroth | intervene a dps, np! |
| 22:07.08 | NivFreak | no dps on the other side |
| 22:07.13 | Kalroth | healer then! |
| 22:07.16 | NivFreak | or healers ;P |
| 22:07.24 | Kalroth | then you're running to the wrong side :p |
| 22:07.29 | NivFreak | no? :P |
| 22:07.31 | Skellum | Turn spell detail all the way to off |
| 22:07.34 | NivFreak | Skellum: yep |
| 22:07.45 | Gnarfoz | that's also ironic |
| 22:07.46 | Skellum | I have my plagued proto drake, i still think sarth is fine as is |
| 22:07.51 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: agreed |
| 22:08.02 | Xinhuan | !api UnitName |
| 22:08.03 | NivFreak | Skellum: I'm more worried about malygos actually |
| 22:08.03 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitName' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitName |
| 22:08.07 | Kalroth | Drakes should always be with (melee) dps, they're pretty easy to navigate if you don't get surprised by flame walls |
| 22:08.31 | NivFreak | Kalroth: hrm? |
| 22:09.13 | NeoTron | so our druid tank has the full BC epic set of FR and is a LW to boot for a nice bracer enchant |
| 22:09.18 | NeoTron | her gear is still lacking though |
| 22:09.21 | NivFreak | basically my movement pattern is, pick up tenebron on the left side of the platform, right at the wave break point |
| 22:09.31 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 22:09.32 | NivFreak | shift to one side for the wave |
| 22:09.35 | NivFreak | bloodlust and burn |
| 22:09.42 | NivFreak | pick up shadron as she dies |
| 22:09.52 | NivFreak | wait for a breath and cross to the right side of the platform |
| 22:09.57 | NivFreak | while the dps aoes the adds |
| 22:09.58 | Kalroth | Pickup Tenebron, if a good wave keep him where he is. If it's a shitty wave, then dip in the lava. |
| 22:10.04 | NivFreak | then burn on shadron until vesp lands |
| 22:10.05 | Kalroth | Then move him to the middle |
| 22:10.09 | NivFreak | work on them for a while etc |
| 22:10.23 | NivFreak | I don't dip into the lava |
| 22:10.27 | NivFreak | I just step 1-2 yards either way |
| 22:10.27 | Kalroth | Oh, you cross the platform with Shadron |
| 22:10.30 | NivFreak | yea |
| 22:10.35 | Kalroth | We don't - we just MD Vesp to the drake tank |
| 22:10.38 | NivFreak | risky |
| 22:10.40 | NivFreak | imo |
| 22:10.45 | Kalroth | never had dps die from it |
| 22:10.47 | NivFreak | but you would get bette rdps |
| 22:10.49 | NivFreak | better8 |
| 22:11.12 | NivFreak | the hunter RoS strat gives a lot of wiggle room on the shadron/vesp overlap period |
| 22:11.20 | NeoTron | what is the kill timeline in 10 man for you? It seems we can barely get tenebron down by the time the 3rd drake lands |
| 22:11.22 | NivFreak | but for 10man we might have to min/max positioning a bit more |
| 22:11.25 | NeoTron | not entirely optimal DPS but still |
| 22:11.39 | NivFreak | NeoTron: so you get two waves of adds? |
| 22:11.43 | NeoTron | on occasion |
| 22:11.46 | NivFreak | your dps is too low |
| 22:11.48 | Kalroth | On our kill we had Tenebron down before Shadron, and Shadron was ~50-55% when Vesperon landed |
| 22:11.49 | NeoTron | for the most part not |
| 22:11.52 | NeoTron | without hero |
| 22:12.01 | Kalroth | Yeah, Tenebron should die before second whelp pack |
| 22:12.03 | NivFreak | how do you get the 3rd drake to land before a 2nd wave of whelps? |
| 22:12.06 | Kalroth | or your DPS is slacking |
| 22:12.06 | Gnarfoz | hunter RoS strat basically means "unlimited supply of reusable paladins that are actually hunter pets", right? |
| 22:12.13 | Kalroth | NivFreak: You don't? |
| 22:12.23 | NivFreak | Kalroth: that's now what he was implying |
| 22:12.26 | NivFreak | not* |
| 22:12.29 | Gnarfoz | (I just heard about it once and looked up what RoS does and imagined the rest) |
| 22:12.32 | NeoTron | I didn't say we did get the 3rd drake to land. I said almost |
| 22:12.33 | Kalroth | oh |
| 22:12.44 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: yea, and we had our hunters get turtles |
| 22:12.50 | NeoTron | we can kill tenebron without heroism before the 2nd drake pack with semi-reliable results |
| 22:12.51 | NivFreak | so they have a dmg absorb as well |
| 22:12.59 | Kalroth | Tenebron before second whelp spawn. Shadron to 50-60% when Vesperon lands. |
| 22:13.02 | NivFreak | NeoTron: why not use heroism? |
| 22:13.06 | Kalroth | Those were our 10+3 goals |
| 22:13.26 | NeoTron | NivFreak: as long as we get him down before whelps we feel it's better used on shadron |
| 22:13.27 | Gnarfoz | NivFreak: probably saving it for shadron |
| 22:13.30 | NivFreak | NeoTron: hehe |
| 22:13.32 | Kalroth | We used BL timed so it ran out a little before Shadron died, to help both healers and DPS |
| 22:13.44 | NivFreak | NeoTron: have you seen the bloodlust timeline someone did on EJ? |
| 22:13.45 | NeoTron | negative |
| 22:13.47 | NivFreak | so basically |
| 22:13.55 | NivFreak | the only reason to NOT bloodlust on engage of tenebron |
| 22:14.01 | NivFreak | is if you want hasted heals for shad/vesp |
| 22:14.09 | NivFreak | for dps, it has zero change in effect |
| 22:14.18 | NivFreak | unless of course you kill tenebron before shadron lands |
| 22:14.18 | NeoTron | it has one effect for wipe nights |
| 22:14.27 | NivFreak | BL is up each time? :) |
| 22:14.28 | NeoTron | higher chance of not wasting heroism on an early bothced attempt |
| 22:14.30 | NivFreak | haha |
| 22:14.39 | NivFreak | bring two shaman if you're that worried about it ;) |
| 22:14.48 | NivFreak | you'll have time to bloodlust twice on a kill anyway |
| 22:14.50 | Xinhuan | in fact, it is beneficial to cast BL on first drake, since you have more time to kill the first set of whelps, so when the 2nd drake lands, there are almost no adds alive |
| 22:14.51 | NeoTron | how would we fit that in? :P |
| 22:14.55 | NivFreak | resto shaman |
| 22:15.02 | NeoTron | instead of...? |
| 22:15.06 | Xinhuan | if you leave BL for 2nd drake, you often have overlapping 1st set of whelps + 2nd drake |
| 22:15.07 | NivFreak | one of your healers |
| 22:15.07 | NeoTron | only have two healers |
| 22:15.09 | Xinhuan | which is stressful |
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| 22:15.12 | NivFreak | oh, you're two healing it |
| 22:15.14 | NivFreak | wait |
| 22:15.16 | NivFreak | you're using 5 dps |
| 22:15.22 | NeoTron | yes |
| 22:15.23 | NivFreak | and sometimes getting 2 drake packs/ |
| 22:15.28 | NeoTron | w/o hero |
| 22:15.33 | NivFreak | still, that seems odd |
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| 22:15.39 | NeoTron | remember, waves matter hell of a lot here |
| 22:15.40 | Xinhuan | you either use 2 tanks 3 healers, or 3 tanks 2 healers |
| 22:15.41 | NivFreak | your dps is good normally too |
| 22:15.45 | Xinhuan | both works |
| 22:15.46 | NeoTron | good waves => no moving => good dps |
| 22:15.48 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: many people use 3/3 |
| 22:15.52 | NeoTron | bad waves => lots of moving => wtf |
| 22:15.55 | Xinhuan | and your 5 dps must be synergized |
| 22:16.01 | NivFreak | NeoTron: you can minimize that a lot by positioning |
| 22:16.07 | NeoTron | we also didn't have our best dpsers in |
| 22:16.10 | Xinhuan | one of your 5 dps must be able to dpstank (such as ret pally) |
| 22:16.12 | NivFreak | NeoTron: ahh ok |
| 22:16.20 | Xinhuan | if you have purely 3/3 |
| 22:16.28 | NeoTron | like our number 1 DPS, a mage, couldn't come and only other was a warlock that's middle of the pack at best |
| 22:16.30 | Xinhuan | your 4 dps won't kill 1st drake before 2nd whelp pack |
| 22:16.41 | NivFreak | NeoTron: yea, that explains more of it |
| 22:16.47 | NivFreak | NeoTron: you guys certainly have the dps to do it |
| 22:16.58 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: not true |
| 22:17.19 | NivFreak | but it's certainly a lot tighter |
| 22:17.20 | Xinhuan | generally speaking you will have a much easier time with 2/3 or 3/2, than 3/3 |
| 22:17.45 | NivFreak | 2 heal sounds rough |
| 22:17.50 | NivFreak | holy priest / holy pally? |
| 22:18.03 | Xinhuan | priest pally works |
| 22:18.26 | NivFreak | If I were going to 2 heal it, I'd want to bring our disc priest and holy pally |
| 22:18.29 | NivFreak | but not sure how well that'd work :) |
| 22:18.33 | NivFreak | maybe with a .5 healer |
| 22:18.39 | Xinhuan | i recommend 3 heal 2 tank |
| 22:18.47 | Xinhuan | because of a relatively unknown fact |
| 22:19.00 | NivFreak | I don't think we can manage the 2 tank strat |
| 22:19.06 | Xinhuan | the whelp packs that spawn - CAN be tanked while in the portal |
| 22:19.14 | NivFreak | lol |
| 22:19.19 | NivFreak | wait a second |
| 22:19.23 | NivFreak | so can you send your tank in? |
| 22:19.24 | Xinhuan | and because a dps can dps-tank |
| 22:19.31 | Xinhuan | no, you send your ret pally or DK in |
| 22:19.36 | Xinhuan | to tank the acolytes |
| 22:19.40 | NivFreak | well yes |
| 22:19.41 | NivFreak | we do that |
| 22:19.42 | Xinhuan | dps-tank |
| 22:19.48 | NivFreak | we do it with a frost dk |
| 22:19.50 | NivFreak | er |
| 22:19.51 | Xinhuan | and if they happen to be tanking any whelps, that's bonus! |
| 22:19.53 | NivFreak | dk in frost presence |
| 22:20.23 | NivFreak | so you're also implying that you enter portals while you have multiple drakes up? |
| 22:20.28 | taleden | is there any tag to make text italic, the way |cff0000ff sets color? |
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| 22:20.40 | Gnarfoz | taleden: no |
| 22:20.48 | taleden | any other codes at all, besides color? |
| 22:21.21 | Xinhuan | it should usually be something like 1st -> whelps -> 2nd -> enter port when 3rd lands -> kill acolytes -> 2nd -> adds -> enter portal whenever it spawns -> 3rd |
| 22:21.47 | Xinhuan | the reason to wait for 3rd to land before entering port is to kill both acolytes at the same time |
| 22:21.51 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: yea, that's a totally different strat than what we use |
| 22:22.57 | Xinhuan | if u enter too early, the drake respawns another acolyte |
| 22:22.57 | Xinhuan | and u end up killing 3 instead |
| 22:22.57 | durcyn | there's no reason to kill the shardon acolyte until all the drakes are dead |
| 22:22.57 | NivFreak | yea, we just go in after shadron is dead |
| 22:22.57 | Xinhuan | in 25, u can do that |
| 22:22.57 | Xinhuan | in 10, you can't ;p |
| 22:22.57 | durcyn | just wastes time |
| 22:22.57 | NivFreak | people do it both ways :) |
| 22:22.57 | NivFreak | in 10 |
| 22:23.12 | Xinhuan | if there are 2 acolytes up at any time, your MT can get one-shotted in the absence of cds |
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| 22:23.31 | NivFreak | yep |
| 22:23.34 | durcyn | shadron acolyte doesn't do anything to the sarth tank. |
| 22:23.45 | NivFreak | uhhh |
| 22:23.51 | Xinhuan | yes but the raid is kiling itself while shadron acolyte is up |
| 22:23.51 | Lyn | any raiding elemental shaman here? :p |
| 22:23.52 | NivFreak | 100% increased fire dmg? |
| 22:23.58 | pcgod | but shadron acolyte does bad things for all other dmg dealers |
| 22:23.59 | durcyn | no, that's shadron himself, NivFreak |
| 22:24.00 | NivFreak | or is he shadow? |
| 22:24.04 | durcyn | we're talking about the acolytes |
| 22:24.26 | Xinhuan | it isn't too bad, since spriest heal can cover half of it |
| 22:24.31 | Xinhuan | in 10-man |
| 22:24.41 | durcyn | pcgod: you're thinking twilight torment, which is the vesperon acolyte |
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| 22:24.53 | durcyn | point is, you can safely ignore the shadron acolyte to make up time, then finish it after vesperon dies |
| 22:25.01 | NivFreak | oh right |
| 22:25.04 | NivFreak | 50% increased shadow dmg |
| 22:25.12 | pcgod | mmh right |
| 22:25.20 | Gnarfoz | wasn't that the buff with the wrong tooltip |
| 22:25.23 | Xinhuan | depends on your raid setup |
| 22:25.30 | Repo | 10tiny-tip: 03twobits 04v2.03 * r259 : Tagging as v2.03 |
| 22:25.30 | Gnarfoz | that actually increases both shadow and fire dmg? |
| 22:25.31 | Xinhuan | if you are 2-healing it, it won't work |
| 22:25.32 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: hrmmm |
| 22:25.36 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: I think you're right |
| 22:25.51 | durcyn | no. |
| 22:26.52 | durcyn | gift of twilight does bugger-all. |
| 22:27.18 | NivFreak | is that the new debuff? |
| 22:27.28 | NivFreak | from exiting the portal |
| 22:27.32 | Xinhuan | its the buff u get for like 3 secs on exiting portal |
| 22:27.34 | Xinhuan | it does nothing |
| 22:27.38 | durcyn | no, it's the same debuff the shadron acolyte has always had |
| 22:27.51 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: that buff worked for us sunday |
| 22:27.59 | durcyn | Xinhuan: it works entering the portal, just not exiting |
| 22:28.00 | NivFreak | a healer exited, took a flame wave, and didn't take dmg |
| 22:28.02 | Xinhuan | i mean, its duration is too short to be useful |
| 22:28.09 | Gnarfoz | that's Twilight Residue |
| 22:28.12 | Gnarfoz | don't mix stuff up :p |
| 22:28.13 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: ah right |
| 22:28.21 | Gnarfoz | also, TR is only immunity against shadow |
| 22:28.28 | NivFreak | well they could get more fucking creative with the 12 buffs/debuffs in this fight |
| 22:28.31 | NivFreak | :) |
| 22:28.33 | Gnarfoz | not fire, as I sadly had to feel myself recently :\ |
| 22:28.51 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 22:28.55 | NivFreak | I wonder why he took no dmg then |
| 22:29.06 | NivFreak | certainly does say shadow only |
| 22:29.36 | Gnarfoz | we had all our melee in twilight |
| 22:29.40 | Gnarfoz | exited at a bad time |
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| 22:29.47 | Gnarfoz | all died except one druid |
| 22:29.52 | Gnarfoz | he was immune to the flame wall |
| 22:29.54 | Gnarfoz | wtf? :p |
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| 22:30.02 | nevcairiel | Gngsk: ^ |
| 22:30.02 | NivFreak | odd |
| 22:30.10 | Gnarfoz | either it's totally messed up or I just don't know what the hell Blizz intended :p |
| 22:30.20 | Xinhuan | maybe he lagged |
| 22:30.29 | Xinhuan | and came out on the other side of the wall |
| 22:30.29 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: with 2 tanks, who tanks the whelps? |
| 22:30.42 | Xinhuan | with 2 tanks, one of them must be prot pally, or DK |
| 22:30.58 | Xinhuan | he tanks both whelps and drakes |
| 22:31.01 | NivFreak | our DK can barely manage to handle just the adds =/ |
| 22:31.02 | NeoTron | and shadron acc = 50% more fire dmg |
| 22:31.07 | nevcairiel | It works fine with 3 tanks, its alot more work with 2 tanks |
| 22:31.09 | NivFreak | much less that plus drakes |
| 22:31.11 | nevcairiel | really no need to do it that way :p |
| 22:31.42 | Xinhuan | i find it interesting because there's 7 guilds on my server tat has killed it on 10-man, and 4 of them use 2-tanks |
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| 22:32.18 | NivFreak | servers aren't a great sampling |
| 22:32.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah :p |
| 22:32.31 | NivFreak | all the guilds dialog with eachother about it ;) |
| 22:32.42 | Xinhuan | yeah but that means the other 3 killed it using 3 |
| 22:32.45 | Xinhuan | so its more or less even |
| 22:33.09 | NivFreak | we have 4 guilds on our server that have done 10man |
| 22:33.14 | NivFreak | and I think they all used 3 tanks |
| 22:33.19 | NivFreak | one is chinese, so I'm not sure |
| 22:33.35 | NivFreak | well I guess one of the four did it without any tanks the first time |
| 22:33.38 | NivFreak | and got banned for it |
| 22:33.39 | NivFreak | lol |
| 22:33.45 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:33.56 | NeoTron | win |
| 22:33.58 | Gnarfoz | haha abused disc priest exploit, apparently |
| 22:34.00 | NivFreak | but they got it legit on sunday |
| 22:34.04 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: yep |
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| 22:34.12 | NivFreak | our top horde guild for 3 expacs |
| 22:34.15 | NeoTron | so they are capable of a legit kill... and they still cheat |
| 22:34.21 | NivFreak | banned for exploiting 3drake 10man sarth |
| 22:34.22 | NeoTron | just sad |
| 22:34.33 | NivFreak | NeoTron: they finally got a legit one sunday |
| 22:34.40 | Gnarfoz | also, the shadron acolyte buff *has* to be the one with the wrong tooltip, or I fail at basic math |
| 22:35.11 | NeoTron | what do you mean? |
| 22:35.17 | NivFreak | NeoTron: it's fire |
| 22:35.21 | NivFreak | or fire and shadow |
| 22:35.23 | NeoTron | 14500 * 2.0 * 1.5 * 1.75 |
| 22:35.26 | NivFreak | there's speculation on it |
| 22:35.26 | NeoTron | it's fire |
| 22:35.29 | NeoTron | I thought |
| 22:35.31 | nevcairiel | there are two shadron buffs on wowhead |
| 22:35.32 | NivFreak | tooltip says shadow |
| 22:35.33 | NeoTron | lua> 14500 * 2.0 * 1.5 * 1.75 |
| 22:35.35 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 76125 |
| 22:35.40 | NeoTron | lua> 11500 * 2.0 * 1.5 * 1.75 |
| 22:35.41 | nevcairiel | if you kill shadron seperately, its shadow |
| 22:35.41 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 60375 |
| 22:35.42 | Gnarfoz | tooltip says +shadow dmg, but it has to be +fire to reach ~74k dmg |
| 22:35.45 | drweird | nivfre: are you talking about SOTH? |
| 22:35.47 | drweird | or narnia |
| 22:35.51 | nevcairiel | if you kill him with sarth up, its fire |
| 22:36.02 | NivFreak | drweird: soth got banned |
| 22:36.03 | NeoTron | there you go |
| 22:36.07 | drweird | nice |
| 22:36.10 | NivFreak | drweird: for exploited |
| 22:36.12 | NivFreak | exploiting |
| 22:36.31 | NivFreak | narnia is suspected to have exploited, but no one can understand thier bragging so they didn't get reported probably ;) |
| 22:36.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: wut... oh they fixed the tooltips. :) |
| 22:36.48 | Kalroth | lua> (11250*2.0*1.5*1.75)*0.88 |
| 22:36.49 | lua_bot | Kalroth: 51975 |
| 22:36.56 | Kalroth | ^- max druid damage taken |
| 22:37.27 | Kalroth | in 10+3 |
| 22:37.27 | drweird | haha niv |
| 22:37.27 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: they were actually wrong before 3.0.8 ~~ |
| 22:37.27 | Kalroth | lua> ((11250*2.0*1.5*1.75)*0.7)*0.88 |
| 22:37.27 | lua_bot | Kalroth: 36382.5 |
| 22:37.51 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yeah, http://www.wowhead.com/?search=gift+of+twilight |
| 22:37.53 | nevcairiel | its two now |
| 22:37.56 | NivFreak | I wonder if we could make our DK do drakes |
| 22:37.57 | NeoTron | lua> 11250 * 2.0 * 1.5 * 1.75*0.8 <-- max I take |
| 22:37.58 | lua_bot | NeoTron: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '11250' |
| 22:37.58 | NivFreak | and I could try adds |
| 22:38.00 | NeoTron | oops |
| 22:38.00 | nevcairiel | one shadow, one fire |
| 22:38.02 | NeoTron | lua> 11250 * 2.0 * 1.5 * 1.75*0.8 |
| 22:38.03 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 47250 |
| 22:38.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: indeed :) |
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| 22:38.27 | NeoTron | Kalroth: what is the 0.7? |
| 22:38.33 | NeoTron | and 0.88 for that matter |
| 22:38.33 | Kalroth | 277 resist |
| 22:38.43 | NeoTron | ah |
| 22:38.45 | nevcairiel | 47k HP is alot to reach with the 25% debuff |
| 22:38.46 | Kalroth | 0.88 is druids damage reduction |
| 22:39.04 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: hence you need cooldowns |
| 22:39.08 | Kalroth | unless you add FR to the mix |
| 22:39.17 | nevcairiel | we did it with cooldowns |
| 22:39.20 | NivFreak | 3% from vigilance/grace/BoSanc |
| 22:39.23 | NivFreak | 2% from meta |
| 22:39.23 | Kalroth | 36382.5 is a lot easier to reach |
| 22:39.37 | nevcairiel | our feral has around 40k with the debuff |
| 22:39.41 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: 47k hp is how much I take as a DK |
| 22:39.45 | nevcairiel | add a few cooldowns, and its good |
| 22:39.51 | NeoTron | w/o cooldowns |
| 22:40.03 | NivFreak | drweird: what are you at with the debuff now days? |
| 22:40.06 | NeoTron | Kalroth: I assume full frost resist + stamina all the wayu? |
| 22:40.32 | nevcairiel | frost resist gear should make you vulnerable to fire or so |
| 22:40.36 | NivFreak | haha |
| 22:40.37 | nevcairiel | that would give it a nice new twist |
| 22:40.37 | Kalroth | NeoTron: You'll need cooldowns for that, just do the Fire Resist stuff I posted and you'll need a lot less health |
| 22:41.05 | nevcairiel | BC fire resist gear, or what do you wear? |
| 22:41.06 | Kalroth | and you don't need cooldowns to survive |
| 22:41.21 | Kalroth | (this is for 10+3) |
| 22:41.33 | Kalroth | Aura/totem: 130 FR |
| 22:41.33 | Kalroth | Flask of resist: 50 FR |
| 22:41.33 | Kalroth | Wyrmcultist's Cloak: 44 FR (with 20 FR from enchant) |
| 22:41.34 | Kalroth | Inferno Leggings: 55 FR |
| 22:41.44 | drweird | niv: i think 41k maybe with debuff |
| 22:41.49 | drweird | i gotta 2x check |
| 22:42.05 | nevcairiel | hm thats not alot gear |
| 22:42.10 | durcyn | ... you're actually using fire resist, with a straight face |
| 22:42.13 | drweird | but with how easy the healing and breahts were last time, im almost to the point where i can wear my noraml tank gear |
| 22:42.16 | nevcairiel | oh well our tanks are too stupid to listen to me anyway =P |
| 22:42.23 | Kalroth | durcyn: No, we killed 10+3 without fire resist |
| 22:42.29 | NivFreak | drweird: until the disc priest bubble isn't there ;) |
| 22:42.33 | Kalroth | but how is fire resist dumb, please enlighten me? |
| 22:42.36 | drweird | we firing him? :) |
| 22:42.45 | NivFreak | drweird: hah |
| 22:42.46 | Kalroth | You need zero cooldowns with fire resist, just normal healing |
| 22:43.03 | NivFreak | it's still RNG on resist right? |
| 22:43.06 | NivFreak | or did they change the mechanic |
| 22:43.09 | Kalroth | changed |
| 22:43.16 | NivFreak | orly |
| 22:43.21 | End | it's by 10% |
| 22:43.25 | End | instead of 25% |
| 22:43.27 | End | for randomness |
| 22:43.28 | NivFreak | I know the breaks changed |
| 22:43.28 | durcyn | it's unnecessary, a blood dk can survive the entire fight with just his own cooldowns |
| 22:43.36 | Kalroth | o rly? |
| 22:43.40 | End | so it's a lot more smooth the damage mitigation you get |
| 22:43.48 | Kalroth | 104 resist = 10% guaranteed resist. |
| 22:43.48 | durcyn | wotn is bloody amazing until they fix it |
| 22:43.48 | Kalroth | 178 resist = 20% guaranteed resist. |
| 22:43.48 | Kalroth | 277 resist = 30% guaranteed resist. |
| 22:43.48 | Kalroth | 415 resist = 40% guaranteed resist. |
| 22:43.55 | NivFreak | Kalroth: source? |
| 22:44.03 | NivFreak | durcyn: wotn? |
| 22:44.12 | Kalroth | http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t44675-resistance_mechanics_wotlk/ |
| 22:44.22 | NivFreak | Kalroth: thanks |
| 22:44.45 | End | oh, I misread the changes |
| 22:45.05 | NivFreak | so the mechanic changed quite a bit |
| 22:45.08 | End | still, it's a lot less dumb |
| 22:45.17 | NivFreak | having a minimum guaranteed resist amount is amazing |
| 22:45.18 | durcyn | NivFreak: will of the necropolis |
| 22:45.38 | End | yeah, always having a 1% chance to take full was dumb |
| 22:45.51 | NivFreak | yep |
| 22:46.04 | NivFreak | which is one of two reasons why I hated resist fights so much |
| 22:46.12 | NivFreak | the other being, the insane fucking mats they required ;) |
| 22:46.28 | Kalroth | resistance is actually useful now and now there's almost no resist gear in the game :P |
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| 22:46.57 | nevcairiel | except the dumb frost resist |
| 22:47.09 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: it's needed for the new Sapph10 :P |
| 22:47.17 | NivFreak | not really |
| 22:47.17 | End | the new sapph10? |
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| 22:47.22 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 22:47.24 | nevcairiel | since when? |
| 22:47.27 | NivFreak | it makes it ezmode, but it's not needed |
| 22:47.27 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:47.28 | nevcairiel | we did him last week |
| 22:47.29 | NivFreak | never has been |
| 22:47.33 | nevcairiel | did he change? =P |
| 22:47.36 | Kalroth | He's bugged, some raids are getting 1-second ticks |
| 22:47.42 | Kalroth | I was taking 1080 damage per second |
| 22:47.49 | NivFreak | I haven't seen that |
| 22:48.08 | End | hm |
| 22:48.46 | Kalroth | Sapph10 is doing 1200 per second now, Sapph25 is only doing 1600 per two seconds. |
| 22:48.59 | Kalroth | it doesn't happend for all though, only happened in one of our Naxx10 raids |
| 22:49.04 | nevcairiel | I didnt see that on friday |
| 22:49.19 | nevcairiel | we were there with 2 healers, of which one totally sucked |
| 22:49.22 | End | that might have been why our healers were falling over saturday |
| 22:49.22 | nevcairiel | and we made it |
| 22:49.45 | End | we come back to 10man sapph last night after 25man raid, and it was easy |
| 22:49.47 | Kalroth | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7841665118&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 22:49.50 | End | maybe it debugged |
| 22:49.56 | Kalroth | huge thread about it |
| 22:49.59 | End | I should have a WWS though |
| 22:50.02 | End | let's see... |
| 22:50.06 | Kalroth | His old spell : Frost Aura = Inflicts 1200 frost damage to every raid member every 2 seconds. |
| 22:50.06 | Kalroth | His new spell : Frost Aura, Version 2.0 = Inflicts 1200 frost damage to every raid member every second |
| 22:50.34 | nevcairiel | if that really is the new spell |
| 22:50.39 | nevcairiel | why doesnt everyone get it? |
| 22:51.02 | Skellum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiwrbYGrs |
| 22:51.27 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28531 |
| 22:51.44 | Kalroth | it's not the spell that's changed, it's some of the new "optimizations" that fucked the refreshing up |
| 22:51.59 | End | refresh, tick, refresh tick? |
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| 22:52.11 | Kalroth | it's refreshing on every tick now |
| 22:52.15 | End | ew |
| 22:53.00 | NeoTron | Kalroth: one issue for me of course is that I'm a DK. I have uncritability to think about too |
| 22:53.15 | Kalroth | NeoTron: Yup, hence why I only mentioned for Druids |
| 22:53.23 | nevcairiel | You just got a 25 Defense bonus :P |
| 22:53.37 | End | what the hell |
| 22:53.37 | End | it's refreshing twice between ticks |
| 22:53.37 | nevcairiel | more so if you use the sigil |
| 22:53.52 | harl | is there an even easier/lazier and still quick enough way to heal than to use Clique/Grid or mouseover macros? |
| 22:53.53 | End | at least, this random tick I pulled out |
| 22:54.15 | Kalroth | 04:48'09.063Kacei suffers 437 Frost damage from Sapphiron Frost Aura. (720 Resisted) |
| 22:54.15 | Kalroth | 04:48'10.063Kacei suffers 657 Frost damage from Sapphiron Frost Aura. (480 Resisted) |
| 22:54.20 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: for sure. PvP gear might be an option |
| 22:54.46 | NeoTron | still I don't have druid level health so not sure if pure stamina > resist or not |
| 22:54.47 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: the spell does say that it ticks every second, didn't it always? |
| 22:54.52 | Kalroth | no |
| 22:55.11 | Kalroth | this is how it should work (from Naxx10) |
| 22:55.12 | Kalroth | 04:48'11.094Kacei suffers 657 Frost damage from Sapphiron Frost Aura. (480 Resisted) |
| 22:55.12 | Kalroth | 04:48'12.219Kacei's Frost Aura is refreshed. |
| 22:55.12 | Kalroth | 04:48'13.250Kacei suffers 547 Frost damage from Sapphiron Frost Aura. (600 Resisted) |
| 22:55.22 | Kalroth | tick, refresh, tick, etc. |
| 22:55.24 | NeoTron | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Morasia tank gear (have the 25 man maly neck wiht stam gem + alchemy 75 stam trinket too) |
| 22:55.31 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: imho, was buffed before :) |
| 22:55.34 | nevcairiel | er |
| 22:55.35 | nevcairiel | bugged* |
| 22:55.40 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: JC trinket + gossemer == win |
| 22:55.44 | nevcairiel | who put g and f next to each other! |
| 22:55.46 | Kalroth | why isn't it consistent then, nev? :P |
| 22:56.01 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: maybe it is, and the other group didnt notice |
| 22:56.09 | Kalroth | No trust me, new bugged Sapph10 is a lot harder than Sapph25 :p |
| 22:56.10 | NeoTron | NivFreak: only time I'ev seen gossemer was when I ran on... my warlock |
| 22:56.20 | NivFreak | NeoTron: it took me a long time to get it |
| 22:56.27 | NivFreak | NeoTron: AN is easy though |
| 22:56.30 | NivFreak | just run it every day |
| 22:56.33 | Kalroth | We clear Naxx25 in ~1:30 hours - tonight we wiped for 2 hours on Sapph10 with 2 healers and 1 offspec healer |
| 22:56.36 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: let me check logs from our sapphiron |
| 22:56.43 | NivFreak | I've run H AN on my ret pally twice, it's dropped both times (grrr) |
| 22:56.47 | NeoTron | true true |
| 22:56.57 | NivFreak | Kalroth: 1.5 hours is mighty fast |
| 22:57.27 | NeoTron | I was happy to clear all 25-man content in 4 hrs :P |
| 22:57.37 | NeoTron | of course quite a bit wasted travel time in such an arrangement |
| 22:57.38 | Kalroth | around that anyways, we do Naxx25 + Sarth25+3 + Maly25 in just over 2.5 hours last clear |
| 22:57.48 | Kalroth | we did* |
| 22:57.55 | NeoTron | we still lack a lot of gear on our dpsers |
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| 22:58.14 | Kalroth | one of our dork knights ruined our Immortal :P |
| 22:58.37 | Kalroth | note to all DKs; summoning a pet on aggressive infront of 4H is bad |
| 22:58.44 | NivFreak | hah |
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| 23:00.09 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: it seems to still be rather inconsistent, for me there are like two tics then a refresh |
| 23:00.16 | nevcairiel | http://ace.pastey.net/107637 |
| 23:00.41 | Kalroth | 10 or 25? |
| 23:00.44 | nevcairiel | 10 |
| 23:01.48 | Kalroth | looks like you had it too, you just healed through it :p |
| 23:01.59 | nevcairiel | we had one good healer |
| 23:02.02 | nevcairiel | and one who failed |
| 23:02.07 | nevcairiel | we wiped twice or so |
| 23:02.11 | Kalroth | how about your MT damage? |
| 23:02.17 | Kalroth | what kind of hits were he taking? |
| 23:02.23 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 23:04.00 | nevcairiel | had a feral, avg 5800 melee hits (including cleave) |
| 23:04.13 | Kalroth | oh okay, I guess that was normal then |
| 23:04.41 | nevcairiel | http://wowwebstats.com/p5tkzwcwhojwm?s=249027-267276&m |
| 23:04.48 | Kalroth | I was taking up to 7k hits, but I was prot in mediocre gear, so only about 55% armor reduction |
| 23:04.49 | nevcairiel | can also see the fail-priest :p |
| 23:05.26 | harl | i see dead numbers. |
| 23:05.54 | nevcairiel | that was some alt run |
| 23:06.10 | Kalroth | yeah ok, we didn't have a resto druid :P |
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| 23:06.21 | Kalroth | 2 priests and 1 offspec shaman |
| 23:06.37 | nevcairiel | yeah for massive AoE dmg, druids win again |
| 23:06.40 | nevcairiel | in your face priests :) |
| 23:06.59 | Kalroth | ask Killertomate if he didn't have to heal harder than usual on Sapp10 |
| 23:07.14 | nevcairiel | he probably had, because the priest is total fail |
| 23:07.21 | NeoTron | AotD being useful other than for extra dps is nice btw. It's pretty leet on sapphiron |
| 23:07.34 | NivFreak | Kalroth: do you have any WWS for your naxx clears? I'd love to look at some of your DPS |
| 23:07.57 | Kalroth | I wasn't inside this week (maybe that's why they're so fast :() |
| 23:08.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:08.15 | nevcairiel | we're still somewhat slow in naxx |
| 23:08.22 | Kalroth | I'll do a stasiscl for next week |
| 23:08.30 | nevcairiel | usually we need 2 days to clear everything |
| 23:08.40 | nevcairiel | but granted, we usually wipe once or twice on sarth+3 |
| 23:08.41 | thul | i want to do more naxx 25 |
| 23:08.46 | nevcairiel | only had three kills now |
| 23:08.49 | NivFreak | Kalroth: WWS as broken as it is, is still more useful ;) |
| 23:08.50 | Kalroth | WWS sucks for finding 10 man kills >< |
| 23:08.54 | thul | I have a mail daily portrait today, BW though, so only half ooc. |
| 23:09.04 | NeoTron | NivFreak: I can't say that I agree |
| 23:09.08 | Kalroth | NivFreak: Stasiscl got full Sartharion logs, WWS breaks them |
| 23:09.17 | NivFreak | works for ours |
| 23:09.19 | NivFreak | interesting |
| 23:09.26 | NivFreak | works used lightly |
| 23:09.32 | Kalroth | nope, the drakes aren't included in the parse |
| 23:09.34 | NivFreak | we use WWS and wowmeteronline |
| 23:09.41 | Kalroth | WWS starts after Vesperon dies |
| 23:09.41 | nevcairiel | i started using stasiscl just two weeks ago, and its awesome imho |
| 23:09.46 | NivFreak | Kalroth: they are in ours? :P |
| 23:09.50 | End | that's it! |
| 23:09.53 | End | stasiscl! |
| 23:09.58 | NivFreak | it does work well |
| 23:10.06 | NivFreak | but it doesn't have the log parsing interface |
| 23:10.06 | End | I saw it somewhere and I couldn't find it again |
| 23:10.11 | Kalroth | stasiscl just needs a better file structure |
| 23:10.11 | NivFreak | which is the useful part of WWS |
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| 23:10.33 | Kalroth | WWS is often slow/down/etc. though |
| 23:10.39 | NivFreak | Kalroth: agreed |
| 23:10.46 | nevcairiel | our second sarth+3 in stasiscl, however the numbers are the same as on WWS; http://wow.nevcairiel.net/reports/01-09/sws-sartharion-1233004234/ |
| 23:11.03 | Kalroth | black background? :( |
| 23:11.10 | End | yeah, WWS fails a lot |
| 23:11.12 | nevcairiel | the white default was totally unreadable |
| 23:11.31 | NivFreak | the biggest problems with WWS atm are pet merging and fight splitting for shit like malygos |
| 23:11.33 | Kalroth | stasiscl got one super cool feat. - the aura uptime |
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| 23:12.13 | sacarasc | nevcairiel: Your enhancment shaman is still using flame shock? |
| 23:12.15 | NivFreak | that is pretty cool |
| 23:12.38 | nevcairiel | sacarasc: i know like nothing about enhc shamans, what should he use instead? |
| 23:12.55 | [dRaCo] | earth shock |
| 23:13.00 | sacarasc | Earth shock when glyphed does more damage |
| 23:13.03 | [dRaCo] | except he's burst casting |
| 23:13.11 | [dRaCo] | which he shouldn't be |
| 23:13.44 | nevcairiel | armory still doesnt show glyphs, does it? |
| 23:13.46 | NivFreak | maybe during TT to reduce incoming dmg? |
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| 23:15.25 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: http://wowwebstats.com/pultfvwdcoi4w?s=183643-197311 <- compare the damage in on this log vs your log :) |
| 23:15.44 | Kalroth | oh your kill was slow too |
| 23:15.48 | Kalroth | lemme find a 5 min one |
| 23:16.06 | nevcairiel | like i said, alt run, total fail dps |
| 23:16.16 | thul | http://fc25.deviantart.com/fs41/i/2009/034/6/a/Blonde_on_dark__by_cainadamsson.jpg <- portrait of the day |
| 23:16.18 | Kalroth | yup yup, was only to compare damage taken |
| 23:16.31 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 23:16.38 | nevcairiel | i should compare our recent 25 to a previous 25 |
| 23:16.42 | nevcairiel | does |
| 23:16.45 | Kalroth | 25 is unchanged |
| 23:16.47 | Kalroth | it's only 10 man |
| 23:17.45 | Kalroth | but nevermind, seems like yours was the normal one |
| 23:17.49 | Kalroth | and not the hard one :) |
| 23:18.28 | nevcairiel | weird stuff |
| 23:18.31 | nevcairiel | oh well, time for sleep |
| 23:18.34 | Kalroth | nn |
| 23:19.04 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: http://wowwebstats.com/erlimnrmveese?m&s=3719-12183 |
| 23:19.25 | Kalroth | nm :p |
| 23:19.29 | ckknight | thul: don't trust him, he looks shady |
| 23:20.40 | thul | ckknight: hehe, that might be :-P |
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| 23:26.14 | winkiller | is it only me that sucks at updating or why is bigwigs still going nuts on malygos25? |
| 23:26.26 | vhaarr | winkiller: in p3 you mean? |
| 23:26.27 | Funkeh` | define nuts |
| 23:26.34 | winkiller | vhaarr: yea |
| 23:26.41 | vhaarr | ye I fucked that up I think |
| 23:26.45 | NivFreak | winkiller: we make everyone load DBM for malygos :) |
| 23:26.56 | winkiller | nuts is: if I am promoted I skull myself instantly |
| 23:27.06 | winkiller | and it PING PING PING s every 2sec |
| 23:27.10 | vhaarr | but think I'll just remove the icon+raid warning |
| 23:27.10 | NivFreak | hahah |
| 23:27.18 | winkiller | took me 3 wipes to mentally switch the bossmods off |
| 23:27.34 | winkiller | not that it made a difference. but I wanted to look more and not disable it :P |
| 23:27.44 | NivFreak | I'm pretty close to dropping bigwigs completely |
| 23:27.48 | winkiller | think I have a combatlog |
| 23:27.52 | winkiller | if anyone needs |
| 23:27.56 | vhaarr | NivFreak: so maybe you should help us fix it up then |
| 23:27.56 | NivFreak | can I use bigwigs_commonauras by itself? |
| 23:28.16 | NivFreak | vhaarr: sure, you're still playing wow right? :) |
| 23:28.20 | vhaarr | yes I am |
| 23:28.22 | NivFreak | k |
| 23:28.23 | vhaarr | and I'm still here |
| 23:28.25 | NivFreak | I'd be happy to then |
| 23:28.32 | NivFreak | Funkeh` stopped playing right? |
| 23:28.37 | Funkeh` | no |
| 23:28.41 | NivFreak | not raiding? |
| 23:28.43 | Funkeh` | I stopped raiding |
| 23:29.00 | NivFreak | ok, well that's what mostly matters for making a working raid boss mod addon work imo ;)_ |
| 23:29.13 | Funkeh` | There's 3 authors |
| 23:29.15 | Funkeh` | pick one |
| 23:29.22 | NivFreak | I've given lots of feedback here :P |
| 23:29.27 | vhaarr | not to me you haven't |
| 23:29.37 | Funkeh` | I've seen nothing on the forums remotely helpful |
| 23:29.38 | NivFreak | vhaarr: and I'll redirect it to you instead of funkeh now |
| 23:29.44 | NivFreak | I don't touch the forums |
| 23:29.55 | Funkeh` | The only peope that have been helpful are translators like the french guy who actually posted a log |
| 23:29.59 | NivFreak | I don't even know what ones are used now days :P |
| 23:30.09 | winkiller | ARGH |
| 23:30.15 | winkiller | 2h of combatlog are 20MB |
| 23:30.15 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r4939 Northrend/Malygos.lua: Remove the icon setting on surge in p3. |
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| 23:30.25 | Funkeh` | NivFreak, you've never pinged me, and obviously nor have vhaarr |
| 23:30.32 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: what? |
| 23:30.35 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: yes I have ;P |
| 23:30.41 | Funkeh` | Example? |
| 23:30.42 | NivFreak | want me to go get you logs of it? |
| 23:30.46 | NivFreak | you've responded |
| 23:30.48 | vhaarr | who cares :P |
| 23:30.50 | NivFreak | raz timers |
| 23:30.55 | NivFreak | thaddius warnings |
| 23:30.59 | NivFreak | a number of other things |
| 23:31.19 | vhaarr | NivFreak: just ping me when you have something, and if I don't respond then please privmsg me about it |
| 23:31.22 | Funkeh` | I don't recall |
| 23:31.28 | NivFreak | vhaarr: not a problem |
| 23:31.29 | winkiller | vhaarr: soo, I have this combatlog here of 1h of Malygos attempts. any help if I do XYZ with it? |
| 23:31.32 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: closer to wrath launch |
| 23:31.35 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: december |
| 23:31.44 | Funkeh` | oh well |
| 23:31.45 | vhaarr | winkiller: what revision of the malygos bossmod? |
| 23:31.52 | winkiller | uhm. sec |
| 23:32.04 | NivFreak | the two places I switch to DBM atm are, thaddius and malygos |
| 23:32.21 | NivFreak | for thaddius, the charge change warning is really a nice way to double check yourself |
| 23:32.28 | vhaarr | we don't have that? |
| 23:32.29 | vhaarr | eh |
| 23:32.32 | vhaarr | I know we added that |
| 23:32.33 | NivFreak | it was put in |
| 23:32.35 | NivFreak | yes |
| 23:32.39 | NivFreak | but I've never had it work |
| 23:32.44 | vhaarr | eh okay |
| 23:32.46 | NivFreak | and eventually I just started loading dbm for thaddius |
| 23:33.05 | vhaarr | well I can tell you why it doesn't work |
| 23:33.10 | vhaarr | the code isn't there any more |
| 23:33.12 | NivFreak | haha |
| 23:33.12 | vhaarr | so someone removed it |
| 23:33.20 | NivFreak | ok, so that's one of my complaints |
| 23:33.23 | NivFreak | the other is for malygos |
| 23:33.29 | winkiller | vhaarr: r4917 | mojosdojo | 2009-01-21 - does that sound reasonable? |
| 23:33.30 | NivFreak | I can't tell in p3 when I'm being targeted |
| 23:33.36 | vhaarr | Kaelten|away: Where is our god damn google groups interface to the repos?! |
| 23:33.36 | vhaarr | grr |
| 23:33.40 | NivFreak | I admit it's been a while since I tried bigwigs again |
| 23:33.48 | NivFreak | since it's pretty crucial :) |
| 23:33.57 | NivFreak | (for malygos) |
| 23:34.03 | vhaarr | you can tell now |
| 23:34.11 | NivFreak | what sort of warning do we get? |
| 23:34.14 | NivFreak | audio/flash/rw? |
| 23:34.20 | NivFreak | flash and shake? |
| 23:34.20 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r541 Stratholme/Mal'Ganis.lua: Update to use web translations |
| 23:34.33 | NivFreak | and some day you guys should give in, and make flash and shake on by default imo |
| 23:34.35 | vhaarr | NivFreak: now please go pester the curseforge authors so they add some way to view changelogs online for repos, that's the reason I can't keep track of things any more |
| 23:34.40 | vhaarr | like who the hell removed the thaddius warnings |
| 23:34.50 | NivFreak | vhaarr: I've given up pestering curse people |
| 23:34.54 | NivFreak | they just blame thier bosses |
| 23:35.05 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:35.08 | NivFreak | ckknight: right? :) |
| 23:35.23 | vhaarr | you get flash+shake and a message + alarm |
| 23:35.24 | vhaarr | so, all |
| 23:35.26 | ulic | vhaarr: this gets close to what you want maybe? http://www.wowace.com/projects/big-wigs/files/5096-r4939/ |
| 23:35.33 | ckknight | what's all this, then? |
| 23:35.38 | vhaarr | ulic: not even remotely close |
| 23:35.45 | NivFreak | vhaarr: are you adding the thaddius alert back in? |
| 23:36.04 | ckknight | vhaarr: we don't have a repo browser yet because Kaelten wants to do a custom thing |
| 23:36.06 | vhaarr | NivFreak: yes but first I'd like to know why the FUCK someone REMOVED IT in the first place |
| 23:36.37 | NivFreak | vhaarr: I would love to know that for laughs too, but if you let me know what version (beta/release) you take with those timers, I can try them tomorrow and get you transcripts as well |
| 23:36.44 | ulic | ah you want to see the actual diffs, yea that would be nice. |
| 23:36.58 | winkiller | so.. cvsspam basically? |
| 23:37.02 | vhaarr | ckknight: I'm just annoyed because for my usage of wowace.com, not having a repo browser/google group is a serious regression from the old wowace -- that's how I kept up with the changes to things, and not just my own projects |
| 23:37.03 | Gnarfoz | my svn client allows me to see that :> |
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| 23:37.09 | vhaarr | ckknight: remember the sense of "community QA"? |
| 23:37.14 | vhaarr | tell me how to apply that now |
| 23:37.14 | Funkeh` | Diffs yes like we had for the past 4 years or whatever |
| 23:37.18 | vhaarr | when I can't read fucking diffs |
| 23:37.20 | NivFreak | vhaarr: my 6 hours a week of transcriptor logs can be all yours! |
| 23:37.26 | NivFreak | although it fucks my performance |
| 23:37.45 | ckknight | vhaarr: svn log too hard? |
| 23:37.49 | vhaarr | ckknight: yes |
| 23:37.50 | vhaarr | very much so |
| 23:38.10 | Xinhuan | switch to Git, problem solved |
| 23:38.15 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 23:38.24 | Xinhuan | view entire commit log offline + diffs |
| 23:38.25 | Funkeh` | It warns when the polarity changes |
| 23:38.29 | ckknight | as I said, Kaelten wants to do something for that, we have it on the board, it will get done eventually |
| 23:38.29 | Funkeh` | what was the question? |
| 23:38.41 | ckknight | though that might mean I might usurp it and just do it one week |
| 23:38.48 | winkiller | mhm, the last release doesn't show any warning |
| 23:38.48 | ckknight | like I did with the localization thing |
| 23:38.51 | vhaarr | ckknight: we used to have this: http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/topics |
| 23:38.53 | vhaarr | now we don't |
| 23:38.58 | winkiller | but it's not really important, imho |
| 23:39.00 | ckknight | why are you still bitching? |
| 23:39.06 | winkiller | the hard part is not missing the cast |
| 23:39.15 | vhaarr | I wasn't bitching, I was linking you what I'm talking about |
| 23:39.16 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: bigwigs does not warn when it changes |
| 23:39.25 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: I know you said you added it, but it has never worked |
| 23:39.27 | NivFreak | (for me) |
| 23:39.40 | Funkeh` | From what I see it warns on a raid boss emote |
| 23:40.32 | vhaarr | ckknight: I could read that google group during breaks at work or wherever I wanted, with diffs attached, and then I could comment on them or fix things I saw later, with 'svn log/diff' it's a lot harder to do so |
| 23:40.40 | Funkeh` | "The polarity has Shifted!" |
| 23:40.50 | vhaarr | especially since I can only do it from home now, and I don't have all the projects on wowace.com checked out locally |
| 23:40.52 | Funkeh` | Is that what you're wanting NivFreak ? |
| 23:40.56 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: no |
| 23:41.01 | ckknight | vhaarr: you made your point |
| 23:41.02 | Xinhuan | i think you need to stop allowing randoms to commit to bigwigs ;p |
| 23:41.04 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: DBM warns when my charge CHANGES |
| 23:41.09 | NivFreak | not when he casts a polarity shift |
| 23:41.17 | Funkeh` | Right |
| 23:41.24 | Funkeh` | That code used to be in it from the old form |
| 23:41.24 | NivFreak | bigwigs does not |
| 23:41.26 | Funkeh` | the aura scanning |
| 23:41.39 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: you removed it? |
| 23:41.41 | Funkeh` | a translator removed it since I didn't update aura scanning as I figured the emote was enough |
| 23:41.48 | vhaarr | aha |
| 23:41.49 | NivFreak | kick your translators out |
| 23:41.59 | Funkeh` | So it's not enough I guess? |
| 23:42.08 | NivFreak | well let me put it this way |
| 23:42.18 | NivFreak | I've forced bigwigs as a manditory addon for my guild for the last 2 years |
| 23:42.26 | NivFreak | they are screaming for an offical change to DBM |
| 23:42.29 | NivFreak | over thaddius/malygos |
| 23:42.45 | Funkeh` | well that answered my question |
| 23:42.52 | NivFreak | and the only thing that has stopped me from doing it, is DBM's lack of a sartharion breath timer, and my lack of testing on razouvious with it |
| 23:42.59 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:43.14 | NivFreak | so take that as general feedback from a random group of 25 people on the current state of bigwigs |
| 23:43.21 | NivFreak | if you guys are interested in fixing it, I'm always willing to help |
| 23:43.29 | NivFreak | but it the project is stale/dead, we'll move on |
| 23:43.34 | NivFreak | it's nothing personal :P |
| 23:43.37 | thul | [00:40:00] <>>> IdleRPG%<<<> Lucifer, the The Lightbringer, has attained level 23! Next level in 0 days, 05:03:45. |
| 23:43.41 | vhaarr | why do you spend 10 minutes more talking about something I've agreed to already |
| 23:43.44 | vhaarr | NivFreak: ^ |
| 23:43.49 | NivFreak | vhaarr: I was talking to funkeh :P |
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| 23:44.20 | NivFreak | as a developer, I find it refreshing to hear external perception of my work |
| 23:44.20 | Torhal | Why is it that most authors don't translate, but most translators try to be authors and fail miserably? |
| 23:44.22 | Torhal | Gah. |
| 23:44.31 | NivFreak | you can always choose to tune it out :) |
| 23:44.50 | vhaarr | NivFreak: try to get a log of thaddius and any other encounters that need tuning and give me a bulleted list of things to fix |
| 23:44.54 | NivFreak | just know I'm an advocate for bigwigs for a long time now |
| 23:45.01 | vhaarr | NivFreak: I run bigwigs with all current raid instances every week, and I'm fine |
| 23:45.10 | NivFreak | vhaarr: can I give you a 3 hour transcriptor log thursday morning? |
| 23:45.13 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:45.20 | vhaarr | yes by all means, if you zip it :P |
| 23:45.22 | NivFreak | k |
| 23:45.31 | NivFreak | I always fail to toggle it on/off for specific encounters |
| 23:45.36 | vhaarr | right |
| 23:45.36 | winkiller | see, I suck at testing. I wouldn't have come to the idea that a polarity change might trigger a warning |
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| 23:45.54 | NivFreak | well |
| 23:45.58 | NivFreak | there are lots of ways to deal with it |
| 23:46.09 | NivFreak | I personally rely on a SBF with a pulled out debuff frame |
| 23:46.23 | NivFreak | but not everyone puts lots of time into thier UIs |
| 23:46.32 | NivFreak | and having a bossmod I can feed to random people that reduces failure rate is nice |
| 23:46.43 | drweird | niv: sounds like a reason to run a combat log turner onner offer... that auto turns on per wanted encounter :P |
| 23:46.47 | drweird | haha |
| 23:47.06 | Skellum | http://www.amishgeek.com/g2/d/2715-3/unknown.jpg |
| 23:47.07 | ckknight | Torhal: well, translators don't touch my stuff anymore, they can use the proper localization app for that. There's a proper distinction that way |
| 23:47.19 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 23:47.22 | drweird | kinda like what clsaver was intended to do |
| 23:47.25 | Torhal | But many projects haven't switched over. |
| 23:48.03 | Xinhuan | Postal has :) |
| 23:48.41 | Shefki | I'm still not really happy with the app. |
| 23:48.52 | Shefki | I dislike that I can't have the translations in dev builds. |
| 23:49.11 | Shefki | Not sure what you can do about it though. |
| 23:49.44 | Xinhuan | hardcode enUS |
| 23:50.02 | Xinhuan | as a "compromise" |
| 23:50.02 | winkiller | NivFreak: SBF = ? |
| 23:50.27 | TradeMark | I can't seem to find much documentation on this, so... what would the main purpose of AceDBOptions be? |
| 23:50.32 | ckknight | Shefki: the solution to that would be to keep every enUS phrase in the app, which is perfectly viable, just unnecessary imo |
| 23:50.40 | Torhal | winkiller: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7876-SatrinaBuffFrames3.html |
| 23:50.44 | winkiller | ty |
| 23:50.50 | Xinhuan | acedboptions builds and returns a ace options table |
| 23:50.53 | ckknight | TradeMark: to switch profiles and do other DB stuff, it exposes an options segment for them. |
| 23:50.55 | Xinhuan | for changing profiles |
| 23:51.10 | Xinhuan | you can see this standard profile page |
| 23:51.12 | Xinhuan | on many addons |
| 23:51.24 | Xinhuan | such as omen |
| 23:52.33 | Xinhuan | /omen config --> profiles -- that entire page is built and run by AceDBOptions |
| 23:53.04 | Bruners | Gatherer vs GatherMate ? |
| 23:53.23 | Anaral | Both? |
| 23:53.27 | Xinhuan | Gathermate |
| 23:53.45 | thul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF4JD2rO3Q <- this video gives me an erection |
| 23:54.29 | Xinhuan | i find gatherer as being information overload |
| 23:54.50 | Bruners | Anaral: why would i have both ? |
| 23:54.54 | Xinhuan | i don't need to know where a node came from - wowhead or shared or whatever, i dont' need to know i've seen it 12 times, etc |
| 23:55.17 | Xinhuan | nor does nodes even need to be searchable >.> |
| 23:55.17 | winkiller | +1 |
| 23:55.33 | winkiller | gathermate is so much more practical without endless config |
| 23:55.44 | winkiller | import data once and forget |
| 23:55.58 | Bruners | GatherMate it is, for some reason i or CC have deleted it |
| 23:56.00 | winkiller | gatherer used to be like this when I first installed it |
| 23:56.01 | Anaral | Because for treasure, mining and herbing you can also get your guilds data with Gatherer. Gathermate only shows WoWhead info. It also has gas clouds and fishing nodes. |
| 23:56.08 | Xinhuan | as a consequence, you'll see 1.4 mb gathermate (which does 5 dbs) vs a 7 mb gatherer (which only does 3 dbs) on full data |
| 23:56.19 | TradeMark | Xinhuan: ok cool... and all I need to do to use it is the one line "options.args.profile = LibStub("AceDBOptions-3.0"):GetOptionsTable(db) |
| 23:56.19 | TradeMark | " ? |
| 23:56.29 | Xinhuan | also because gathermate doesn't record frivolous data, it is much faster and cpu friendly |
| 23:56.54 | Xinhuan | yes TradeMark |
| 23:57.01 | Bruners | Anaral: i only need mining, and im sure wowheads data is just as good as anyone in my guild |
| 23:57.08 | Xinhuan | try looking in existing addons that use it |
| 23:57.14 | Xinhuan | see how they do it there |
| 23:57.29 | Industrial | thul: dont like the vocals |
| 23:57.30 | TradeMark | ok will do |
| 23:57.31 | Anaral | Well Gatherer offers a wowhead db fine. |
| 23:57.47 | winkiller | Xinhuan: by 'firvolous' do you mean.. you keep coordinates of erotic RP experiences? :) |
| 23:57.50 | thul | Industrial: well, the vocals are the weak part :/ but I can live with them :-P |
| 23:58.04 | Xinhuan | well do you really need to know you've seen herb X 12 times? |
| 23:58.19 | Xinhuan | data formats is also important |
| 23:58.32 | Xinhuan | gatherer stores X Y coordinates in 2 floats |
| 23:58.38 | Xinhuan | gathermate stores it as 1 integer |
| 23:58.47 | Xinhuan | that's speed for you ;p |
| 23:59.00 | winkiller | lol |
| 23:59.22 | Arrowmaster | thats also better considering how wow likes to mess with floats in saved vars |
| 23:59.28 | winkiller | so like on wowhead that 55,4 / 33.5 = 554335? |
| 23:59.29 | Megalon | i once stored 2 bits in 1 bit |
| 23:59.33 | Xinhuan | yes winkiller |
| 23:59.38 | Megalon | and encoded it with a double-XOR algorithm |
| 23:59.46 | winkiller | I see |
| 23:59.55 | Megalon | but it got cracked :< |
