| 00:00.01 | Repo | 10mill-help: 03Starinnia 041.1.1 beta2 * r49 : Tagging as 1.1.1 beta2 |
| 00:00.13 | sylvanaar | how many of you thing PoH is going to be targetable? |
| 00:00.22 | sylvanaar | in 3.1 |
| 00:00.33 | vhaarr | "Prayer of Healing can be cast on any groups in your raid party." |
| 00:00.35 | vhaarr | quote blizz |
| 00:00.36 | Aeyan | What, how many of us think they're going to follow through with it? |
| 00:00.41 | Aeyan | They said they were doing it |
| 00:00.46 | sylvanaar | does that mean not limited to your group |
| 00:00.51 | Aeyan | Yes |
| 00:00.52 | sylvanaar | or targetable like CoH |
| 00:01.17 | Aeyan | Oh, no, it's not a smart heal |
| 00:01.24 | Aeyan | Just can be cast on another group |
| 00:01.48 | vhaarr | basically it's the old CoH with a cast time |
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| 00:02.40 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r4951 Naxxramas/Razuvious.lua: |
| 00:02.43 | Repo | Make it more clear that the taunt is a cooldown while the barrier is duration. |
| 00:03.38 | sylvanaar | ok why does it say any groups instead of any group....i need more info |
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| 00:03.56 | vhaarr | because people are not perfect |
| 00:04.00 | vhaarr | even blizzard folks |
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| 00:04.08 | sylvanaar | hrm |
| 00:04.19 | vhaarr | what the hell is there to "hrm" about |
| 00:04.32 | vhaarr | it's the old CoH with a casting time |
| 00:05.20 | drweird | speaking of blizzard folks.. I had a GM asking me what API call lets Cowtips show guild ranks when you hover over people. it was hilarious.. "How are you seeing their guild ranks? i didnt think this was possible" |
| 00:05.40 | NivFreak | vhaarr: the duplicate module issue? |
| 00:05.45 | vhaarr | NivFreak: yes |
| 00:05.50 | vhaarr | drweird: rofl |
| 00:06.01 | NivFreak | vhaarr: sure, I will tonight |
| 00:06.04 | Arrowmaster | thats been possible forever, i used to have an addon that added the guild name and rank to the inspect frame back in 1.0 |
| 00:06.06 | vhaarr | cool |
| 00:06.18 | Zhinjio | Torhal_: I think I broke volumizer |
| 00:06.34 | Funkeh` | drweird, how did he come about asking you that |
| 00:06.41 | vhaarr | NivFreak: I checked the raz timers and they're fine |
| 00:06.43 | Zhinjio | Torhal_: something about the way its defined breaks buttonbin |
| 00:06.46 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: yea, but their GMs aren't highly skilled or experienced for the most part ;) |
| 00:06.50 | NivFreak | vhaarr: cool |
| 00:06.55 | NivFreak | vhaarr: did they change in the last month or so? |
| 00:06.58 | vhaarr | no |
| 00:07.00 | NivFreak | ok |
| 00:07.05 | Arrowmaster | their gms arent much better than helpdesk support |
| 00:07.09 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: yep |
| 00:07.11 | drweird | funkeh: i had opened a ticket about a ninja guild (to be a bastard) on our server.. their guild ranks were mildly.. uhm. racist. so the GM made them change their ranks, but was baffled at how i "figured them out" |
| 00:07.22 | drweird | apparently he had never heard of cowtips, which makes me think he's neve rplayed wow |
| 00:07.29 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 00:07.34 | NivFreak | or he's smart and runs from ckknight addons |
| 00:07.35 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 00:07.39 | End | I don't expect eeryone to have ever heard of cowtips |
| 00:07.49 | Funkeh` | not anymore.. |
| 00:07.54 | Funkeh` | maybe at a point alst year |
| 00:07.59 | End | I'd be more surprised if someone didn't know about fubar |
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| 00:08.08 | Funkeh` | why |
| 00:08.08 | NivFreak | End: some people haven't |
| 00:08.10 | Zhinjio | Torhal: ping |
| 00:08.12 | End | yeah |
| 00:08.19 | Funkeh` | new users come all the time and addons have life cycles |
| 00:08.19 | NivFreak | a lot of people actually play with minimal addons |
| 00:08.25 | NivFreak | we have some dps who basically use what we force them to |
| 00:08.27 | NivFreak | and nothing more |
| 00:08.30 | drweird | end: yeah i know, but more.. its a pretty common api call for people.. just surpsising when you get asked by a blizzard employee something like that |
| 00:08.36 | End | cowtip isn't -that- common though :P |
| 00:08.40 | End | well, yeah |
| 00:08.52 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: care to test it? just copy Northrend out to ../BigWigs_Northrend, restart wow and go to the menu to Load All under Northrend, you shold get 3 warnings printed in chat and no errors |
| 00:08.54 | End | it's more funny when a Blizzard employee has never heard of it |
| 00:09.23 | cncfanatics | I'm not really surprised at the fact blizz employeers aren't addon authors |
| 00:09.24 | End | but then again, it's just a customer service position |
| 00:09.49 | Arrowmaster | they have interns or something fix the ui at times anyway |
| 00:09.53 | NivFreak | in fact |
| 00:09.58 | NivFreak | I would bet the majority of people at blizzard |
| 00:10.03 | cncfanatics | where is the combatlog file kept out of game ? |
| 00:10.09 | NivFreak | couldn't tell you one function name in the API :) |
| 00:10.12 | End | in the Logs directory |
| 00:10.22 | NivFreak | cncfanatics: Logs/wowcombatlog.txt |
| 00:10.32 | cncfanatics | its not there oO |
| 00:10.32 | NivFreak | with some horrble camelcaps |
| 00:10.36 | Arrowmaster | ive seen some string patterns in framexml that anybody that had used any kinda pattern matching remotely based on regexp would have known were wrong |
| 00:10.37 | NivFreak | cncfanatics: /combatlog in game |
| 00:10.37 | drweird | gotta enable logging |
| 00:10.40 | NivFreak | to capture it |
| 00:10.42 | cncfanatics | damn forgot to enable logging |
| 00:10.43 | drweird | when you signout, it'll write |
| 00:10.43 | cncfanatics | ffs |
| 00:10.47 | End | <3 loggerhead |
| 00:11.07 | NivFreak | shit, I might actually be able to combatlog again |
| 00:11.21 | drweird | hm loggerhead is nice |
| 00:11.24 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Pong? |
| 00:11.26 | drweird | hadnt seen that |
| 00:11.45 | NivFreak | drweird: that's what we all use in guild :P |
| 00:11.54 | Zhinjio | Torhal: something about the way the LDB object is defined makes my buttonbin break (volumizer, that is) |
| 00:12.11 | End | and it writes combatlog as it goes, but it also buffers |
| 00:12.11 | NivFreak | drweird: I thought we pointed you at it in regards to kallisti's request ;) |
| 00:12.11 | drweird | i dont normally enable combat logging, because im usually afk waiting for loot and too far from you guys to get logs |
| 00:12.35 | NivFreak | drweird: you need to re-read that dark legacy comic I posted |
| 00:12.38 | cncfanatics | combatlog doesn't have a range anymore afaik ? |
| 00:12.39 | NivFreak | you're a bad donald |
| 00:12.47 | Torhal | Zhinjio: You have 1.0.1? |
| 00:12.49 | End | of course it has a range |
| 00:12.50 | drweird | what comic? haha |
| 00:12.51 | NivFreak | cncfanatics: it does, if not a very solid one :) |
| 00:13.00 | Funkeh` | vhaarr, you made it work with old modules? |
| 00:13.01 | Zhinjio | no |
| 00:13.28 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: the old way of registering modules still works fine, it just won't give the nice message in the chat frame when a duplicate module is being registered |
| 00:14.02 | vhaarr | so no reason to rampage through vanilla/bc modules |
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| 00:25.02 | Repo | 10volumizer: 03Torhal * r8 Volumizer.lua: |
| 00:25.05 | Repo | Changed PLAYER_LOGIN to PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD to allow the Blizzard Option frames to load first. Note to self: Test addon BEFORE using AddonLoader. Grr. |
| 00:25.20 | Torhal | Zhinjio: See if it works with that alpha, wouldja? |
| 00:26.48 | Zhinjio | Torhal: in a bit. I'm busy atm. |
| 00:27.26 | Torhal | kk |
| 00:28.06 | Torhal | Bah, fuggit. Gonna grab ButtonBin and test myself. |
| 00:33.09 | ulic | vhaarr: I didn't see what changed, anything that would impact LW modules? |
| 00:37.14 | Funkeh` | um |
| 00:37.24 | Funkeh` | vhaarr, you getting the death knight understudy error? |
| 00:37.35 | Ackis | Funkeh` I am |
| 00:37.44 | Funkeh` | did someone remove it from babble? |
| 00:37.53 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:37.58 | Arrowmaster | it was named wrong |
| 00:38.01 | Funkeh` | what fucking moron did that |
| 00:38.05 | Ackis | me! |
| 00:38.09 | Ackis | I AM SPARTACUS |
| 00:38.10 | Funkeh` | I don't care |
| 00:38.12 | Ackis | wait |
| 00:38.18 | Funkeh` | Breaking backwards compatability |
| 00:38.35 | Arrowmaster | it didnt work anyway |
| 00:38.40 | Arrowmaster | since that mob didnt exist |
| 00:38.50 | Funkeh` | ... |
| 00:38.55 | Funkeh` | it didn't error |
| 00:39.12 | Arrowmaster | because there is no mob with the old name |
| 00:39.37 | Funkeh` | that's besides the point |
| 00:39.47 | Funkeh` | you cannot remove code that would break an addon without bumping the major |
| 00:39.50 | Funkeh` | IN ANY LIBRARY |
| 00:40.02 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: are you in a raid? I'm scared |
| 00:40.11 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 00:40.51 | Ackis | babble isn't a real library |
| 00:41.07 | Funkeh` | stop making excuses |
| 00:41.11 | Funkeh` | don't do it again |
| 00:41.25 | Ackis | (I didn't do it :P) |
| 00:41.30 | Ackis | but I agree with it being removed :P |
| 00:41.37 | Arrowmaster | i agree too |
| 00:42.04 | Funkeh` | then you're both morons |
| 00:42.14 | Arrowmaster | nothing should have been using it anyway except stuff that was copy pasted from pre TBC and not verified |
| 00:42.14 | Ackis | well it's not the first time I've been told that |
| 00:42.31 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster, making excuses again |
| 00:42.52 | Funkeh` | It's like removing a redunant bit of code saying "oh nothing should use it anyway so I don't care what damage I do" |
| 00:43.13 | Ackis | why don't you update bigwigs to cope with the change? |
| 00:43.14 | Arrowmaster | hell ill do that |
| 00:43.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont give a fuck about outdated crap |
| 00:43.29 | Funkeh` | Ackis, That's besides the point |
| 00:43.38 | Funkeh` | If someone runs 2 addons one updated one not |
| 00:43.39 | Funkeh` | it will error |
| 00:43.47 | Funkeh` | because the major wasn't bumped |
| 00:43.51 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r542 Coldarra (8 files in 1 directory): Coldarra modules moved to web translations |
| 00:44.03 | Zhinjio | bumps your major. uh huh. |
| 00:44.32 | Repo | 10shadowgreenlight: 03Mokhtar * r18 Core.lua: |
| 00:44.35 | Repo | - Fixed tooltip not being properly updated when losing an upgrade in fight |
| 00:44.38 | Repo | - Added Tricks of the Trade, Sanctified Retribution and Ferocious Inspiration |
| 00:44.41 | Repo | - Added Thaddius charges, Malygos Power Spark and Loatheb's Fungal Creep to supported debuffs (untested) |
| 00:44.57 | Ackis | Funkeh` I could see a normal library this being an issue... this is a babble library and not something to get this upset over... |
| 00:45.21 | Funkeh` | It's a library, it errors. It's the exact same issue. |
| 00:45.26 | Funkeh` | You broke my addon |
| 00:45.27 | Funkeh` | don't |
| 00:45.29 | Funkeh` | simple as |
| 00:45.46 | Arrowmaster | it was broke to begin with |
| 00:45.52 | Funkeh` | fucks sake |
| 00:45.57 | Funkeh` | It's like talking to a wall |
| 00:46.03 | Arrowmaster | people reported the error and thats why it got changed |
| 00:46.05 | Ackis | if you add phrases to babble, you should also bump the major? |
| 00:46.15 | Funkeh` | no, you're not breaking anything |
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| 00:46.34 | Ackis | but you're still changing the fundamental base of the addon |
| 00:46.41 | Arrowmaster | plus afaik its not possible to have not broken it |
| 00:46.44 | NivFreak | Funkeh`: to be fair, it throws an error and works |
| 00:46.46 | Ackis | (library) |
| 00:47.03 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster, use both copies, LIKE WE ALL DID IN THE PAST |
| 00:47.22 | Funkeh` | you place the new entry next to the old entry for updated addos to use |
| 00:47.31 | Arrowmaster | Funkeh`: that wasnt possible with the localization system until the db was switched |
| 00:47.52 | Funkeh` | What!? That's what I always did. It's worked completely differently |
| 00:48.15 | Arrowmaster | talking about the localization app that babble now uses |
| 00:48.43 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster, How is it different than just adding an extra entry? "Death Knight understudy" |
| 00:48.45 | Funkeh` | that's all you need to do |
| 00:48.59 | Arrowmaster | due to mysql sucking cock you couldnt have two entries with different capitializations |
| 00:49.12 | Funkeh` | It had nothing to do with caps |
| 00:49.16 | Funkeh` | it was separation of words |
| 00:49.29 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was caps |
| 00:49.34 | Funkeh` | Deathknight > Death Knight |
| 00:49.37 | Funkeh` | No it was not |
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| 00:50.05 | Arrowmaster | whatever |
| 00:50.21 | NeoTron | ClosetGnome seems to have an issue with JC unique gems |
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| 00:50.38 | NeoTron | or I guess any gems that are limited to X at once. need to swap twice for changes to work :( |
| 00:51.13 | vhaarr | NeoTron: yes it's a known issue >< |
| 00:51.20 | NivFreak | outfitter! |
| 00:51.22 | NivFreak | *cough* |
| 00:51.38 | Ackis | since we're talking about bigwigs, vhaarr have you tagged it yet? |
| 00:51.48 | Funkeh` | no I'm still testing it |
| 00:52.03 | Funkeh` | what's the rush it's 1am |
| 00:52.11 | Ackis | lol i'm just giving him a hard time |
| 00:52.23 | vhaarr | ulic: LW will be fine, you can update it if you want |
| 00:52.36 | vhaarr | ulic: if not, it will still work just like before |
| 00:52.42 | vhaarr | Ackis: :P |
| 00:52.42 | NivFreak | so someone in guild pointed out that you can put the 30stam, 15 resil shoulder enchant on the BoA shoulders you can buy |
| 00:52.49 | NivFreak | just in case any of you care |
| 00:52.57 | NivFreak | 10,000 honor to twink your alts :) |
| 00:53.00 | ulic | vhaarr: what changed? Something about modules with the same name? |
| 00:53.23 | vhaarr | ulic: read the commit note? |
| 00:53.28 | vhaarr | bbl |
| 00:53.48 | NeoTron | NivFreak: *whistle* http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Adailise |
| 00:54.20 | Arrowmaster | Funkeh`: ok it was "Deathknight Understudy", then 7destiny changed it to the incorrect "Death knight Understudy", and then since then its been corrected to "Death Knight Understudy" |
| 00:55.08 | NivFreak | NeoTron: heheh |
| 00:55.21 | NeoTron | it will be more fun once I send those shoulders to my l20 shammy |
| 00:55.35 | Arrowmaster | i think the capitalization was fixed after it got moved to the localization app which originally didnt allow the same phrase with only a difference in capitializaton |
| 00:55.36 | NivFreak | mine are on my 62 boomkin atm |
| 00:55.39 | NeoTron | and yeah I hve those because I will use them for shammy/hunter too |
| 00:55.43 | NivFreak | and 29sp on the staff |
| 00:55.55 | NivFreak | the trinkets are pretty amazing for aoe too |
| 00:56.01 | NivFreak | you can have two of them |
| 00:56.04 | NivFreak | thier effects stack |
| 00:56.06 | NivFreak | and have no internal CD |
| 00:56.14 | NeoTron | what do they do again? |
| 00:56.17 | NivFreak | so if you AoE down 10 mobs with 2 of the caster ones, you get 40% mana back |
| 00:56.18 | NivFreak | lol |
| 00:56.25 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster, sigh. |
| 00:56.28 | Funkeh` | anyway |
| 00:56.29 | NeoTron | ah mana return |
| 00:56.31 | NivFreak | 2% mana/health depending on the trinket |
| 00:56.39 | Funkeh` | My bigwigs is still erroring and I'm trying to locate the source |
| 00:56.48 | Arrowmaster | whats the error? |
| 00:57.03 | Funkeh` | that the ancient Deathknight translation does not exist |
| 00:57.21 | Arrowmaster | do you have BigWigs_Razwhateverthefuckhisnameis |
| 00:57.32 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 00:57.37 | Arrowmaster | thats why |
| 00:57.59 | Funkeh` | seems you're right |
| 00:58.07 | Arrowmaster | its hasnt been updated at all |
| 00:58.21 | NeoTron | what does it even do? |
| 00:58.34 | Arrowmaster | i think somebody probably fixed it after 2.4 but it hasnt been touched since then afaik |
| 00:58.38 | Funkeh` | You didn't raid vanilla? |
| 00:59.15 | Arrowmaster | it was for when Raz actually required complex cordination |
| 00:59.31 | Funkeh` | I think I might delete it |
| 00:59.49 | Arrowmaster | it should be marked as abandoned by now on the site |
| 00:59.50 | Repo | 10trickortreat: 03falconindy 07master * 66cf5a2 TrickOrTreat.toc: [+1 commit] Add no-lib-strip tags to TOC |
| 01:03.46 | Funkeh` | vhaarr, you ok with me deleting razassist, doesn't seem to be useful anymore |
| 01:04.10 | Funkeh` | I just noticed you did sometimething to it after 3.0 |
| 01:04.11 | NeoTron | I raided a litlte bit back in naxx, but I don't think I even used BigWigs or anything then :P |
| 01:04.13 | Funkeh` | so up to you |
| 01:04.25 | Arrowmaster | are the timers in it even correct? |
| 01:04.28 | NeoTron | I was a mind controlling priest in the fight though (shadow, pre 2.0 - woot) |
| 01:04.40 | Funkeh` | I was holy |
| 01:04.46 | Funkeh` | I had a +hit set for it |
| 01:04.58 | NeoTron | isn't the lack of forced cooldown (i.e the debuff on the dudes) making any addon unnecessary? |
| 01:05.29 | NeoTron | I pretty much stopped raiding on my priest around then since I ended up just sitting benched due to raid start times |
| 01:05.30 | Arrowmaster | i guess, theres no other important cooldowns? |
| 01:05.36 | Torhal | Zhinjio: I'm going to disable AddonLoader support for Volumizer. Even using the ## X-LoadOn-LDB-Launcher method, it doesn't work at all with ButtonBin. |
| 01:05.49 | Zhinjio | Torhal: *nods* |
| 01:05.51 | Torhal | Without AddonLoader, it works fine. |
| 01:05.54 | NeoTron | only mind control duration |
| 01:06.05 | Torhal | But it works with or without AddonLoader under DockingStation. |
| 01:06.08 | Torhal | Fucking odd. |
| 01:06.09 | Arrowmaster | guess it is useless now |
| 01:06.23 | NeoTron | there's no aoe to hide from either anymore |
| 01:06.34 | Arrowmaster | there was aoe before? |
| 01:06.50 | NeoTron | Torhal: is that some issue with ButtonBin or AddonLoader? |
| 01:07.01 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: yeah, it used to do damage equal to your mana I think. had to LoS it |
| 01:07.46 | Torhal | NeoTron: No idea. Using Volumizer with AddonLoader works with DockingStation, in either the Delayed or LDB-Launcher method. It silently fails with ButtonBin. |
| 01:07.57 | NeoTron | wonder how that works |
| 01:08.12 | Arrowmaster | how the hell can it fail with delayed? |
| 01:08.16 | Torhal | Dunno. Without an error I can't trace it, so I'm just getting rid of AddonLoader support. |
| 01:08.56 | Zhinjio | its not a silent failure for me |
| 01:09.14 | Torhal | Zhinjio: You're using an older version, though. I changed the LDB init in 1.0.1 |
| 01:09.15 | NeoTron | ok so it somehow sets up a dummy data object |
| 01:09.19 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 01:09.47 | Arrowmaster | are you trying to create an object with the same name? |
| 01:10.32 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: It failed using Delayed, so I changed it to ## X-LoadOn-LDB-Launcher: Interface\COMMON\VoiceChat-Speaker-Small |
| 01:10.44 | Repo | 10big-wigs_razuvious-assistant: 03funkydude * r57 BigWigs_RazuviousAssistant.lua: BigWigs_RazuviousAssistant: babble fix |
| 01:10.56 | Torhal | Then, in my code: LDB:GetDataObjectByName("Volumizer") or LDB:NewDataObject("Volumizer", { |
| 01:11.04 | Arrowmaster | it needs more than a texture |
| 01:11.30 | Torhal | It defaults to the addon name if no name is supplied |
| 01:12.03 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude 04r4952-release * r4952 : Tagging as r4952-release |
| 01:12.47 | NeoTron | Torhal: can you check to see if it at all registerd the datablock (before loading anything) in the button bin data block config? |
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| 01:13.22 | Torhal | NeoTron: It did. The icon shows up, but it will not process the DO's OnClick() |
| 01:13.34 | Arrowmaster | was it loaded at that time? |
| 01:14.15 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Yah. Using the LDB-Launch, it showed the icon but no tooltip. After I clicked it, it showed the tooltip (and hence was fully loaded) but the OnClick did not work |
| 01:14.31 | Arrowmaster | well ofcourse it wont have a tooltip |
| 01:14.32 | Torhal | Getting rid of AddonLoader altogether, the OnClick functions fine. |
| 01:14.43 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I know, that's how I could tell that AddonLoader loaded it :P |
| 01:14.58 | Arrowmaster | if OnClick ~= dataobj.OnClick then dataobj.OnClick(...) end |
| 01:14.59 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 01:16.15 | Arrowmaster | i dont get it |
| 01:16.25 | NeoTron | after loading, if the addon registerd its own onclick, call it |
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| 01:16.48 | Arrowmaster | ok |
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| 01:17.11 | NeoTron | Torhal: oh I see so somehow the onclick isn't updated corectly |
| 01:17.20 | NeoTron | that is quite possibly a bug in ButtonBin |
| 01:17.29 | NeoTron | like it breaks if you change your onclick |
| 01:17.52 | Arrowmaster | why are you not calling dataobj.OnClick directly? |
| 01:18.07 | Arrowmaster | did you upvalue it or something on your frame creation? |
| 01:19.06 | NeoTron | it should work fine |
| 01:19.36 | Xinhuan | are you forgetting that some events don't fire if an addon is loaded by addonloader? |
| 01:19.56 | Xinhuan | P_E_W, PLAYER_LOGIN, VARIABLES_LOADED to name a few |
| 01:20.32 | Xinhuan | for eg, Postal has ## X-LoadOn-Mailbox: true, which loads Postal on MAIL_OPENED |
| 01:20.47 | Xinhuan | but that means MAIL_OPENED fired first to load the addon, so the addon itself must account for this |
| 01:21.05 | NeoTron | Torhal: I'll check it out and see if I can fix it |
| 01:21.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah if delayed isnt working then your addon likely doesnt work LoD in the first place |
| 01:21.12 | Xinhuan | and check for MailFrame:IsShown() on load, and if it is indeed open, run the :MAIL_OPENED() function right away |
| 01:21.24 | Xinhuan | get what i mean? |
| 01:21.29 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: It works under DockingStation, with or without AddonLoader. |
| 01:21.42 | Torhal | NeoTron: Good deal. |
| 01:21.56 | Xinhuan | since postal runs on a module system, it also means i had to post hook all module OnEnables() to do that check |
| 01:21.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont understand how delayed wouldnt work though with buttonbin |
| 01:22.12 | Torhal | No idea |
| 01:22.13 | Xinhuan | delayed is sufficient to skip a few key events |
| 01:22.21 | Xinhuan | that an addon might have assumed to always fire |
| 01:23.50 | NeoTron | what is Delayed exactly? just loads it later? |
| 01:24.04 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 01:24.29 | Xinhuan | just delays loading each addon in delayed queue by like 0.x seconds after the prev one |
| 01:24.48 | NeoTron | so... faster login essentially? |
| 01:24.51 | Torhal | Aye |
| 01:24.54 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 01:25.01 | Xinhuan | and pretty unnecessary in the first place |
| 01:25.15 | Xinhuan | logging in faster by 1 second isn't going to save your life |
| 01:25.58 | Xinhuan | if only because after logging in, your screen still freezes every 0.x seconds to load each delayed addon |
| 01:26.15 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: do i need to remind you about questhelper + dalaran |
| 01:26.30 | Xinhuan | tell me about it |
| 01:26.33 | Xinhuan | because i haven't heard about it |
| 01:26.45 | Arrowmaster | long load time = disconnected from server |
| 01:27.25 | Xinhuan | except that the wow client shouldn't even be attempting to connect to the server while the UI is loading. only after its completed |
| 01:27.44 | Arrowmaster | no it connects first |
| 01:28.16 | Xinhuan | i still don't think that's really a valid reason |
| 01:28.35 | End | what do you mean, "valid reason"? |
| 01:28.35 | Xinhuan | if an addon takes an unnecessary long amount of time to load, then it should be split into smaller LoD modules |
| 01:29.03 | Xinhuan | he's using QH as a justification for AddonLoader's delayed loading scheme |
| 01:29.08 | End | oh |
| 01:29.11 | End | well... |
| 01:29.27 | End | I don't agree it should be split into LoD modules, but QH should be fixing the problem on its own |
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| 01:29.35 | Xinhuan | i'll be the first the point out that very few people use AL in the first place |
| 01:29.42 | Xinhuan | compared to the number of QH users |
| 01:30.12 | Arrowmaster | it was the combination of multiple addons taking a long time to load |
| 01:30.29 | Arrowmaster | not just a single addon |
| 01:31.00 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: yes I was just thinking maybe we should make some changes to the raz module to easier identify which timers beling to which mob |
| 01:31.03 | Xinhuan | i never had a problem loading 80 mb... |
| 01:31.18 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: assuming the understudies are marked with raid icons, they could be used in the bar text, for example |
| 01:31.33 | Funkeh` | vhaarr, You know it's the first addon that came to my mind with the raid icons in combat log change |
| 01:31.40 | Xinhuan | vhaarr: just number them 1 and 2, by guids. |
| 01:31.49 | Xinhuan | and/or 3/4 |
| 01:32.02 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: if they don't have raid icons, that's another possibility, yes |
| 01:32.02 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal * r63 Localization/enUS.lua: Added fourth argument to NewLocale(). |
| 01:32.17 | vhaarr | but if they do, then raid icons will make it easier for people to match bars to units |
| 01:32.44 | Xinhuan | on a wipe though, the respawned adds have different GUIDs |
| 01:32.45 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: question is if this belongs in the raz module or razassist |
| 01:33.02 | Funkeh` | vhaarr, to be honest I'd put it in the module itself and scrap the external |
| 01:33.16 | vhaarr | NivFreak: did you have a log of razuvious? |
| 01:33.29 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: I agree |
| 01:33.30 | Funkeh` | but I'm not sure the BigWigs API will allow us to read the extra combatlog info and I'm not sure we can justify adding it |
| 01:33.47 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: the API is flawed anyway, there's another problem with it |
| 01:33.52 | vhaarr | give me a minute to refresh my memory |
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| 01:34.08 | Arrowmaster | yes wheres bigwigs3 at |
| 01:34.09 | Funkeh` | The entire API is shite, it's a sketch for 3.0 lol |
| 01:34.15 | vhaarr | it's not shite |
| 01:34.20 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1476 ARLFrame.lua: Fix typo |
| 01:34.22 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 01:34.43 | vhaarr | explain |
| 01:34.55 | Arrowmaster | you barely get enough combatlog info to work with |
| 01:34.55 | drweird | niv: blacktabard kicked Brutalix out of the guild for ninja'ing that chest piece |
| 01:35.12 | Funkeh` | well we've got like 3 sets of api for a message, which are confusing as is, for backwards compatability for example |
| 01:35.13 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1477 ARLConfig.lua: Fix another typo. |
| 01:35.23 | Funkeh` | Most was sketching for 3.0 |
| 01:35.53 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster, well |
| 01:36.00 | Funkeh` | We only really added what was needed |
| 01:36.07 | vhaarr | the only thing that needs changing here is to forward the tuple from COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED instead of reordering the arguments ourselves |
| 01:36.07 | Funkeh` | the rest wasn't usefull in 99% of modules |
| 01:36.29 | vhaarr | the API is fine, Arrowmaster |
| 01:36.37 | vhaarr | "barely enough info", I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 01:36.43 | vhaarr | perhaps you'd like to suggest something better then |
| 01:37.12 | Arrowmaster | yes providing all the arguments from the combatlog |
| 01:37.21 | Funkeh` | why |
| 01:37.27 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: the message stuff was something I added because you were whining about the BigWigs_Message arguments and not being able to remember the ordering of them, as far as I remember |
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| 01:39.42 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: the only module where it would have been remotely useful to have more than the arguments we provide right now is for example Malygos phase 3 |
| 01:39.53 | vhaarr | i.e. vehicle combat, which was added in wotlk |
| 01:40.09 | vhaarr | pre-wotlk (when this was designed), the rest of the arguments were useless |
| 01:40.22 | vhaarr | and, as you know, there were no vehicle encounters then |
| 01:40.45 | Arrowmaster | im sorry but doing shit like checking if the name == UnitName("player") instead of being able to use the bitmasks doesnt cut it |
| 01:41.40 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: and you'd like to spend the time converting all the old modules to use bitmasks and change the standards for something that's supposed to be made obsolete by an eventual 3.0 rewrite anyway? |
| 01:41.59 | Arrowmaster | no id like to see progress on a 3.0 rewrite |
| 01:42.02 | vhaarr | be sorry all you want, but stop being an asshole and calling my API shit without having all the information |
| 01:42.06 | Arrowmaster | im willing to work on it |
| 01:42.29 | Arrowmaster | if i actually still raided i would probably write it all myself |
| 01:46.49 | Ackis | nevcairiel: is bt4 bugged with the traveler's tundra mount? |
| 01:47.55 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: disable hide on vehicle on the pet bar? |
| 01:48.36 | Ackis | ahh that's it |
| 01:51.50 | Repo | 10volumizer: 03Torhal * r9 Volumizer.toc: |
| 01:51.53 | Repo | Removed AddonLoader support, since using it doesn't allow Volumizer to work with ButtonBin or NinjaPanel (and probably others). Strangely, it works fine with DockingStation. |
| 01:52.27 | Repo | 10volumizer: 03Torhal 043.0.8-1.0.2 * r10 : Tagging as 3.0.8-1.0.2 |
| 02:04.28 | Repo | 10project-14818: 03twobits 04r123 * r124 : Tagging as r123 |
| 02:04.57 | Torhal | ... |
| 02:04.59 | Torhal | WT? |
| 02:05.02 | Torhal | WTF? |
| 02:05.04 | Torhal | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=265046#post265046 |
| 02:05.10 | Torhal | We're computer tech support now. |
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| 02:20.53 | rapidgame | did i do that repo right? |
| 02:21.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 02:21.25 | Neffi | ckknight: You there? |
| 02:22.01 | rapidgame | cool |
| 02:22.04 | Neffi | ckknight: Does (can?) DogTag's AuraDuration tag check the durations for all auras, or only those cast by the player? |
| 02:23.08 | Repo | 10grid: 03Greltok * r1162 GridStatusHeals.lua: |
| 02:23.11 | Repo | GridStatusHeals now listens for Grid_PartyTransition instead of Grid_LeftParty (which is no longer supported). |
| 02:26.50 | Shadoweric | anyone having trouble opening wowace.com on IE7 ? Giving me an error that it can't open www.wowace.com/. (note the extra dot) then jumps to a blank page. Was working fine earlier. |
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| 02:34.41 | Dark_Elf | gets that too with ie7 luckily firefox works fine |
| 02:37.59 | Shadoweric | groan, what did they break this time :P |
| 02:39.14 | Neffi | Is it even possible to check the duration of buffs on units in your raid if you didn't cast the buff? |
| 02:39.30 | Dark_Elf | probably a freakin cookie gone bad |
| 02:40.08 | Zao | Does anyone know if/how fast rare beasts despawn? |
| 02:41.53 | Neffi | Zao: I don't believe they despawn at all |
| 02:43.01 | Zao | Good, as my slowpoke guildmates are taking their time to arrive :) |
| 02:45.47 | Xinhuan | Neffi, all (de)buff durations are viewable now |
| 02:46.19 | Neffi | Xinhuan: I just saw that. Can I assume the filter "PLAYER" on UnitAura(...) would filter out just my (de)buffs? |
| 02:47.58 | Neffi | Oh wait, IsMine return is what I want. Nevermind. |
| 02:53.32 | Neffi | ckknight: Any way I could talk you into adding another argument to the HasAura tag to see if the unit has an aura specifically cast by me (ie a front-end to the 8th return of UnitAura)? |
| 02:54.25 | ckknight | write a patch |
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| 03:10.19 | RaydenU | is there OS attunement? |
| 03:10.27 | RaydenU | er not OS |
| 03:10.52 | RaydenU | nm |
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| 03:17.24 | Funkeh` | Yes |
| 03:17.31 | Funkeh` | You need to be attuned to used windows |
| 03:17.38 | Funkeh` | Updating, etc.. |
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| 03:56.57 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1478 RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua: Ticket #348: |
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| 04:43.09 | Repo | - Shaman: Fixed Talent: Unrelenting Storm is now 3 ranks |
| 04:43.12 | Repo | - Mage: Added Talent: Pyromaniac now gives mana regen |
| 04:44.38 | Ackis | with aceconfig3, what's the proper way to have localized return values? |
| 04:44.52 | Ackis | values= function() return {Right = L["Right"], Left = L["Left"], Top = L["Top"], Bottom = L["Bottom"], Off = L["Off"], Mouse = L["Mouse"]} end, ? |
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| 04:49.58 | taleden | if I change the "project name" in the wowace edit project screen, will that change the url, slug, and repository path as well? |
| 04:50.12 | taleden | I don't see a place to edit the "slug" like when creating it |
| 04:50.32 | Torhal | taleden: ckknight said it now updates across the board. |
| 04:51.06 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r4953 Core.lua: koKR Update |
| 04:51.13 | taleden | will that work even though, for example, the "project name" has capitalization but the "slug"/url/etc does not? I recall entering those separately when creating a new project |
| 04:51.56 | Torhal | I have no idea about that. You're right, though: there are two fields upon creation and only one afterward. |
| 04:52.21 | taleden | the, assuming it probably wont' do what I want it to when I rename the project, can an admin or somebody update the slug/svn etc? :) |
| 04:52.54 | taleden | also, is it possible to rename the corresponding forum thread? |
| 04:53.05 | Torhal | You'd have to have a moderator do that. |
| 04:53.27 | Torhal | But ckknight said last night, I believe, that renames updted the slug and the Curse project as well. |
| 04:53.39 | Torhal | He tested with something and it did it rather quickly on Curse. |
| 04:53.55 | Skellum | Consumable ammunition has been removed from the game. Arrows and bullets no longer stack, but are not consumed. Ranged attack speed bonus gained from quivers and ammo bags will be preserved in a different capacity. |
| 04:53.57 | Skellum | Fuck that |
| 04:54.01 | Skellum | Fuck that stupid fucking shit |
| 04:54.13 | Torhal | Skellum: Hunters - still Blizzard's favorite class. |
| 04:54.21 | Skellum | Oh but hey! I still have a shard bag! |
| 04:54.25 | Torhal | They nerf everyone and buff hunters. Every. Fucking. Patch. |
| 04:54.34 | Skellum | Locks havent been nerfed |
| 04:54.39 | Skellum | Its just...come fucking on |
| 04:54.42 | Torhal | Well, usually. |
| 04:54.49 | Torhal | Yah, I'm tired of having shards. |
| 04:55.08 | Torhal | So what, I have a 28-slot shard bag. WHY DO I NEED TO CARRY LESS SHIT THAN EVERYONE ELSE?!? |
| 04:55.10 | Torhal | Gah. |
| 04:55.33 | Skellum | 32 :D |
| 04:55.39 | Torhal | Bastard. |
| 04:55.40 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:55.58 | Skellum | Yea, It was the first bag I made once I hit 450 Tailoring |
| 04:56.07 | Skellum | I make Glacial bags as comedy |
| 05:00.59 | drweird | hot fixed to saph and maly today? didnt even notice they were broken. haha |
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| 05:15.28 | Repo | 10aurahud: 03taleden * r7 / (12 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 8 lines) |
| 05:15.31 | Repo | - the addon has been renamed to Auracle (from AuraHUD) to avoid confusion |
| 05:15.34 | Repo | - Auracle is now considered beta-quality, and will be tagged as such for distribution on Curse |
| 05:15.37 | Repo | - individual window and tracker configuration has been moved to "styles", which can be applied to any number of windows or trackers |
| 05:15.40 | Repo | - standard AceDB profile support is now available, as seen in other AceDB-based addons |
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| 05:19.30 | Arrowmaster | taleden: want a rename? |
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| 05:20.32 | Repo | 10aurahud: 03taleden 040.2-beta * r8 : Tagging as 0.2-beta |
| 05:20.59 | taleden | yes please |
| 05:21.03 | Arrowmaster | done |
| 05:21.07 | taleden | thanks |
| 05:26.42 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r9 libs/LibOOP/: - repository cleanup |
| 05:27.26 | taleden | can you also rename the forum thread title? I renamed the first post, but it doesn't update the thread itself |
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| 05:28.57 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden 040.2.1-beta * r10 : Tagging as 0.2.1-beta |
| 05:30.27 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r11 .pkgmeta: - externals oops |
| 05:33.32 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r12 tags/ (2 files in 2 directories): - removed broken tags |
| 05:33.57 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden 040.2-beta * r13 : Tagging as 0.2-beta, take 2 |
| 05:34.58 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden 040.2.2-beta * r14 : Tagging as 0.2.2-beta |
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| 05:43.47 | fewyn | So who here has played a moonkin in recent history? From what I read the rotation is IS->MF->Wrath is Eclipse procs Starfire? |
| 05:43.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont have mod on the forums |
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| 05:53.11 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r42 / (7 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 4 lines) |
| 05:53.13 | Repo | MorgDKP2 |
| 05:53.16 | Repo | -fix DKP/time awarding |
| 05:53.19 | Repo | -fix nil error on deleting a Raid |
| 05:53.23 | Repo | -fix nil error in loading points |
| 05:54.49 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm 04v2.5 * r43 : Tagging as v2.5 |
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| 06:01.00 | pompy1 | onsumable ammunition has been removed from the game. Arrows and bullets no longer stack, but are not consumed. .. lame |
| 06:02.30 | quiescens | oh wow |
| 06:06.32 | quiescens | if they're making blessing of kings baseline, what's going to take its place on the thingy |
| 06:06.35 | quiescens | o.o |
| 06:07.29 | quiescens | shield of the righteous is going to be interesting, 3s silence on a 6s cooldown |
| 06:11.38 | quiescens | Healers are just going to keep trying to find new ways to make mana a non-issue |
| 06:12.00 | quiescens | Blizzard's intention is probably to try to make mana enough of an issue that they can force dps to go harder/avoid more damage |
| 06:12.21 | quiescens | but that's not what will happen, people will just start complaining that healers aren't healing them instead |
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| 06:51.16 | Groktar | priest shows up to 3 drakes with this spec: |
| 06:51.16 | Groktar | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Galarox |
| 06:51.20 | Groktar | i can't get him gkicked |
| 06:51.21 | Groktar | :/ |
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| 06:57.44 | Fisker- | i lol'd at paladin changes |
| 06:58.24 | Fisker- | Blessing of Kings – this spell is now a base ability trainable by all paladins. |
| 06:58.34 | Fisker- | only took them a million years btw |
| 06:59.06 | Hjalte | fewyn: I do a moonkin these days. You're right. Only use Wrath to proc Eclipse, use Starfire at any other time. You need an addon to tell you the ICD of Eclipse. |
| 07:03.23 | fewyn | nod |
| 07:03.27 | fewyn | I'm a new moonkin |
| 07:04.02 | fewyn | i think i got the rotation down now tho |
| 07:06.44 | Hjalte | There's an addon out there, that will tell it to you in icons if you're still feeling unsure ;) |
| 07:09.07 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r47 / (5 files in 1 directory): Upgrade to Ace3. |
| 07:10.29 | ckknight | Upgrayedd! |
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| 07:25.03 | Greltok | Anyone got a string pattern handy for extracting name and realm from a full name? |
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| 07:42.33 | Greltok | For splitting a full name into name, realm: |
| 07:42.34 | Greltok | match("(%P+)%-(.*)") |
| 07:42.38 | Greltok | or: |
| 07:42.43 | Greltok | match("(%a+)%-(.*)") |
| 07:42.54 | Greltok | Any opinions? |
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| 07:47.33 | ckknight | awesome: http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1233904950211.jpg |
| 07:55.52 | Elkano | Greltok, why not "([^%-]+)%-(.*)"? |
| 07:56.33 | Elkano | lua> ("Tést"):match("(%a+)%-(.*)") |
| 07:56.33 | lua_bot | Elkano: nil |
| 07:56.45 | Elkano | lua> ("Tést-blub"):match("(%a+)%-(.*)") |
| 07:56.46 | lua_bot | Elkano: st, blub |
| 07:56.53 | Elkano | lua> ("Tést-blub"):match("([^%-]+)%-(.*)") |
| 07:56.53 | lua_bot | Elkano: Tést, blub |
| 07:56.58 | Greltok | Good plan. |
| 07:57.05 | Greltok | I was looking at full_name:match("^(%P+)%-(.*)") |
| 07:57.12 | Greltok | But I like your character class. |
| 07:57.40 | Elkano | or better "^([^%-]+)%-(.*)$" just to make sure ^^ |
| 07:58.14 | Elkano | though as you've seen it wont match people from your realm |
| 07:58.25 | Greltok | Yeah, that's ok. |
| 07:59.05 | Greltok | Gonna use a full_name:match() or full_hame |
| 07:59.07 | Greltok | *name |
| 07:59.10 | Elkano | and if you can get a handle on the player, UnitName will do a better job anyways |
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| 07:59.25 | Greltok | Not an option in this case. |
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| 08:00.19 | Arrowmaster | "^([^%-]+)%-?(.*)?$" |
| 08:01.06 | Arrowmaster | "^([^%-]+)%-?(.-)?$" |
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| 08:02.43 | Elkano | Arrowmaster, why the 2nd ? |
| 08:02.58 | Elkano | I doubt it will work as intended |
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| 08:03.10 | Greltok | Yeah, that doesn't appear to work. |
| 08:03.51 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("Tést-blub"):match("^([^%-]+)%-?(.-)?$") |
| 08:03.51 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 08:04.06 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("Tést-blub"):match("^([^-]+)%-?(.-)?$") |
| 08:04.06 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 08:04.28 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("Tést-blub"):match("^([^%-]+)%-?(.*)$") |
| 08:04.29 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Tést, blub |
| 08:04.38 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("Tést"):match("^([^%-]+)%-?(.*)$") |
| 08:04.38 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Tést, |
| 08:04.54 | Arrowmaster | and you doubt me |
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| 08:06.18 | Greltok | Looks good, but I need a nil realm if it's empty. |
| 08:06.37 | Greltok | So I'll use Elkano's. |
| 08:06.45 | Greltok | I appreciate the assistance. |
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| 08:13.17 | Elkano | lua> player, realm = ("Tést"):match("^([^%-]+)%-?(.*)$") print(player, realm) |
| 08:13.17 | lua_bot | Elkano: Tést, |
| 08:13.29 | Elkano | lua> player, realm = ("Tést"):match("^([^%-]+)%-?(.*)$") print(realm == nil) |
| 08:13.29 | lua_bot | Elkano: false |
| 08:13.32 | Elkano | hmm |
| 08:13.57 | Elkano | damn marching empty ^^ |
| 08:14.08 | CIA-35 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * r1d1f339 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add group box and scroll bar to guide config panel - http://bit.ly/9p1F |
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| 08:19.45 | Repo | - fix for korean locale |
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| 08:49.06 | Torhal | ckknight: ChickenWire! Go go go! |
| 08:49.09 | Torhal | cackles! |
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| 09:32.25 | Repo | Tagging as v1.2.3 |
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| 09:46.37 | Xinhuan | does replenishment get threat for restoring mana to other users? |
| 09:47.26 | [Ammo] | I've got no idea |
| 09:47.35 | [Ammo] | but I do know sarth+3 25 man is tough without replenish :) |
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| 09:47.48 | [Ammo] | specially when 2 drakes are hovering the tank |
| 09:48.35 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: I'm pretty sure it does |
| 09:48.47 | Kalroth | I remember our spriests used to have tons of aggro issues |
| 09:48.52 | Xinhuan | well they want to add replenishment to mages |
| 09:49.02 | Xinhuan | i think this can end up with issues for mage threat |
| 09:49.11 | Kalroth | Mages got invis, np! |
| 09:49.17 | Xinhuan | although it makes things interesting with invis |
| 09:50.00 | Kalroth | Just give FD to all DPS classes imo |
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| 09:54.42 | sb|work | hm? they dont want to add replenishment to mages |
| 09:54.53 | sb|work | thats a nerf actually |
| 09:55.06 | sb|work | at the moment those elementals just give +mana buff, no replenishment |
| 09:55.13 | sb|work | which stacks and also stacks with replenishment |
| 09:55.23 | sb|work | they want to change it to replenishment so it doesnt stack anymore |
| 09:56.23 | Xinhuan | well its too deep in frost right now |
| 09:56.27 | Xinhuan | for any mage to really use it |
| 09:56.30 | Xinhuan | tier 7 talent |
| 09:56.48 | Xinhuan | note also those elementals regen _all_ players in 100 yards range |
| 09:56.56 | Xinhuan | real replenishment only regens 10 people |
| 09:56.58 | sb|work | yup |
| 09:56.59 | sb|work | i know |
| 09:57.08 | sb|work | thats why it is OP and they are going to change it |
| 09:57.16 | Xinhuan | in any case, does replenishment cause threat to the person that gained mana |
| 09:57.19 | Xinhuan | or the person that procced it? |
| 09:59.02 | Groktar | it should be the person gaining it |
| 09:59.11 | sb|work | yup |
| 09:59.18 | sb|work | person gaining mana |
| 09:59.22 | Groktar | one of the reasons they redisgned it was all the extra threat for spriests |
| 09:59.22 | sb|work | other person just 'buffs' |
| 09:59.52 | sb|work | you cant track replenishment back to some player |
| 10:00.08 | sb|work | (but you can do it for heals e.g. renew) |
| 10:00.36 | Xinhuan | isn't the replenishment buff procced from "some source person"? |
| 10:00.46 | sb|work | yes |
| 10:00.48 | sb|work | it is |
| 10:00.50 | sb|work | but its only the buff :) |
| 10:01.13 | sb|work | oh hm |
| 10:01.14 | sb|work | nevermind |
| 10:01.18 | sb|work | "Smb gains 54 Mana from Aniele Replenishment." |
| 10:01.34 | sb|work | so forget what i just said, could be wrong :) |
| 10:01.35 | sacarasc | Super Mario Bros.? |
| 10:01.45 | sb|work | uhm.... yes |
| 10:01.48 | sb|work | something like that |
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| 10:05.19 | Groktar | whispers a series of lewd suggestions into Cheadstina's ear |
| 10:06.08 | Kalroth | hot |
| 10:06.13 | Kalroth | fondles Groktar *there* |
| 10:07.01 | Groktar | moans |
| 10:10.28 | Zyndrome | puts on some generic techno |
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| 10:24.19 | Mikk | and yeah just give replenishment to all mana dps classes already |
| 10:24.20 | Mikk | oh wait |
| 10:24.21 | Mikk | they did! |
| 10:24.56 | Grum | except shammies :p |
| 10:24.58 | sacarasc | Except shamans |
| 10:25.09 | sacarasc | Did they give to hunters, then? |
| 10:25.11 | Mikk | they're only nominally mana based |
| 10:25.17 | Mikk | shamanistic rage = lol full manabar in 5 seconds |
| 10:25.24 | Mikk | sacarasc: surv, yes, always had |
| 10:25.28 | Mikk | well always in 3.0 terms |
| 10:25.43 | sacarasc | What about elemental shamans? |
| 10:25.45 | quiescens | always for a relatively recent value of always? |
| 10:25.57 | Mikk | well replenishment didnt exist before 3.0 =) |
| 10:26.16 | Mikk | sacarasc: true. ele shamans, boomkins. no replenish |
| 10:26.56 | Mikk | i happened to dps nub-rekan in healing gear last night by mistake. could NOT get my mana bar below 95%. impossible. |
| 10:27.00 | Mikk | nuts. |
| 10:27.47 | quiescens | its very hard to use mana dpsing with healing gear/spec |
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| 10:28.58 | sb|work | Mikk: class? |
| 10:29.03 | Mikk | boomkin |
| 10:29.31 | Mikk | (with 30% in5sr talent) |
| 10:29.35 | sb|work | ah |
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| 10:29.44 | thul | http://media.economist.com/images/na/2009w06/Darwin.jpg |
| 10:30.06 | Kalroth | Iceland cheats :( |
| 10:30.37 | Mikk | icelanders are fairly level headed in my experience :P |
| 10:30.50 | Mikk | like... doing away with fucking daylight savings time! |
| 10:30.56 | Mikk | bloody wwii relic |
| 10:31.52 | sacarasc | Using GMT all year round would make things easier, but would confuse a lot of idiots |
| 10:32.14 | Shefki | Someone have a rogue in here? |
| 10:32.27 | sacarasc | They're already confused, but it would be easier to show them |
| 10:32.32 | Mikk | a 71 one, does it count? =P |
| 10:32.40 | thul | hehe |
| 10:32.46 | sb|work | wtf is this |
| 10:32.48 | thul | Shefki: I got a rogue, 71 too, count? :-P |
| 10:32.56 | Shefki | Probably not useful. I need to know if Tricks of the Trade puts a buff on the target. |
| 10:33.05 | _SunTsu | Shefki: Yeah, it does |
| 10:33.08 | sacarasc | I think I got up to 6 or 8 with a rogue |
| 10:33.10 | Mikk | wowhead tells you that |
| 10:33.15 | Shefki | No it doesn't. |
| 10:33.17 | sb|work | and wtf is wrong with turkey :o |
| 10:33.29 | Shefki | Apply Aura: Dummy |
| 10:33.34 | Shefki | ^ That's not useful. |
| 10:33.39 | Mikk | er it lists the buff |
| 10:33.41 | Mikk | and its text |
| 10:33.46 | Mikk | smax people |
| 10:33.56 | SunTsu | Shefki: I have a rogue and a tank, and believe me, it does ;) |
| 10:34.01 | SunTsu | .o0( two tanks, actually ) |
| 10:34.04 | Shefki | Mikk: That's the buff on the rogue, not the target of Tricks. |
| 10:34.05 | Mikk | First box: The skill. 2nd box, with a heading "Buff:", the buff |
| 10:34.11 | thul | hmm, I watched Twilight, the movie, last night. It sucked bigtime |
| 10:34.19 | Mikk | jesus |
| 10:34.23 | Mikk | are we looking at the same page? |
| 10:34.23 | sacarasc | Yes, it did |
| 10:34.23 | Mikk | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57934 |
| 10:34.30 | sb|work | mh... wtb new terminator movie :o |
| 10:34.36 | Mikk | The first lists energy cost and stuff. It's the skill. |
| 10:34.41 | Shefki | Mikk: yes I'm looking at that. Would you actually listen to my question. |
| 10:34.46 | Shefki | Does it place a buff on the TARGET! |
| 10:34.48 | Shefki | Not the rogue. |
| 10:34.52 | Mikk | The second, "Buff:", "The threat caused by your next attack " |
| 10:34.57 | Mikk | YOUR next attack |
| 10:35.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:35.09 | Shefki | Yes and if you read the ability and then read that tooltip it's obvious that's on the rogue. |
| 10:35.22 | Mikk | ups |
| 10:35.26 | Mikk | i will shut up now |
| 10:35.34 | Mikk | and get more coffee >.< |
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| 10:36.03 | Shefki | SunTsu: So buffs on both the rogue and the person they're tricking? Right? |
| 10:36.08 | Shefki | Just like Misdirect? |
| 10:36.22 | thul | The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. |
| 10:37.05 | Kalroth | uunf |
| 10:37.28 | sb|work | Shefki: yes |
| 10:37.28 | SunTsu | Shefki: The buff for rogue and target is the same |
| 10:37.36 | sb|work | buff on rogue + target |
| 10:37.55 | sb|work | and if you start attacking as rogue you will get a new buff with 8s duration instead of 30 |
| 10:38.01 | sb|work | which actually transfers threat |
| 10:38.04 | Shefki | Ty. Just wanted to make sure to clasify it as a friend buff or self buff properly. |
| 10:38.04 | Grum | sb|work: watch the series till a new one appears? :) |
| 10:38.14 | SunTsu | Shefki: http://wowwebstats.com/fmdhidrjriax3?s=111842-123578&bl=111842&filter=unit%3D%22Grolox%22 - he gains "Schurkenhandel" on 22:50'32.000 |
| 10:38.16 | sb|work | Grum: uhm - no :p |
| 10:38.29 | sb|work | but new movie in july |
| 10:39.10 | sb|work | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/releaseinfo |
| 10:39.15 | Shefki | Yay rogues have a friend buff now. The only class till this that didn't have one. lol |
| 10:39.48 | sb|work | SunTsu: ffs, go get language pack! |
| 10:40.22 | Shefki | language pack? |
| 10:40.42 | SunTsu | sb|work: I don't want to. I already have problems comunicating in german about WoW, so I don't want to aggravate that by not knowing the german terms anymore ;) |
| 10:40.44 | sb|work | whatever, change your client language |
| 10:40.59 | sb|work | SunTsu: meh.. :o |
| 10:41.23 | Shefki | SunTsu: Not German? |
| 10:43.02 | thul | It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion. |
| 10:43.06 | thul | Bertrand Russell |
| 10:43.10 | SunTsu | Shefki: sb|work told me to switch client from deDE to english, or smth., but I don't want to. I usually talk to native german speakers so I like to have a slight clue about what things in german are called |
| 10:45.37 | sb|work | SunTsu: i dont care about that :p |
| 10:46.16 | sb|work | i always use english names - if someone doesnt understand -> not my problem :p |
| 10:46.48 | sb|work | imo best one is: "just buy that stuff in venomspite" - "eh.. WHERE?" |
| 10:46.52 | Shefki | Pfft, I just tell my friends the spell id and I expect them to type: /dump GetSpellInfo(id) |
| 10:47.07 | sb|work | haha |
| 10:47.28 | Shefki | I need a 1126 please! |
| 10:47.42 | Shefki | 1243 too |
| 10:48.16 | sb|work | @spell 1243 |
| 10:48.20 | sb|work | hmpf |
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| 10:50.03 | sacarasc | ~wowspell 1243 |
| 10:50.03 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=1243 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=1243 |
| 10:50.19 | sb|work | ty purl |
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| 10:51.51 | Shefki | casts Magic missles at the darkness. |
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| 11:09.55 | sb|work | hmm so, this alternate packaging |
| 11:10.04 | sb|work | is it now working correctly? |
| 11:10.20 | sb|work | so i can switch from externals to standalone libs? |
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| 11:12.20 | Mikk | yes, lots of addons use it |
| 11:12.41 | Mikk | if you mean declaring externals in .pkgmeta instead of svn externals |
| 11:14.21 | Mikk | oh you meant curse client support |
| 11:14.23 | Mikk | noo idea |
| 11:14.25 | sb|work | nah curse client |
| 11:14.31 | sb|work | 'consumer' view :p |
| 11:14.56 | sb|work | last time i tried that ~all my addons were broken |
| 11:15.01 | sb|work | because of empty lib folders and stuff |
| 11:15.07 | sb|work | dont know why that happened |
| 11:15.16 | sb|work | (e.g. babble-... was empty) |
| 11:16.35 | Mikk | yeah well cc 2.0 ... |
| 11:16.52 | Mikk | i installed it, looked at it, tossed it |
| 11:16.55 | sb|work | i tried with the first version that supported alternate packaging |
| 11:17.03 | sb|work | maybe its now more mature and works :o |
| 11:17.10 | sb|work | well, i'm happy with CC so far |
| 11:17.25 | Trell- | is there any existing addon that counts the number of loots someones received in a night, and can show it in a gui? |
| 11:17.37 | Trell- | I know headcount counts all loot received |
| 11:17.48 | sb|work | yup |
| 11:17.49 | Trell- | but I mean in the format of (for example): Trell: 2 items |
| 11:17.50 | sb|work | headcount ;p |
| 11:17.52 | Trell- | like that |
| 11:17.53 | sb|work | hm |
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| 11:18.09 | Mikk | You probably want more configurability than that |
| 11:18.18 | Mikk | Or do you want to count cloth and shit too? =P |
| 11:18.28 | Trell- | well no, basically, pre-udluar, we're just gearing everyone |
| 11:18.33 | Trell- | so just switched to /roll |
| 11:18.45 | Trell- | but we want priority to go to the person thats won the lowest amount that night |
| 11:18.49 | Trell- | if thats all making sense |
| 11:19.11 | Trell- | and rather than me using notepad to keep track of the amount of items someones won, I wondered if there was an addon already in place that I can bastardise or something |
| 11:20.08 | Mikk | well, what you're doing there is basically single-night dkp |
| 11:20.24 | Mikk | may i recommend looking at epgp? |
| 11:20.36 | Trell- | you can reccomend it :P |
| 11:20.42 | Trell- | but I used it before, and wasn't keen on it |
| 11:20.47 | Mikk | with a 100% decay each night, it'll do what you're there :P |
| 11:21.20 | sb|work | hm right |
| 11:21.27 | Mikk | well.. from like ... eq and on, we've done plain old dkp, with and without bidding, zerosum dkp, with and without bidding, and now epgp |
| 11:21.32 | Mikk | we're really liking epgp so far |
| 11:21.47 | sb|work | same here, using it since bc |
| 11:21.48 | sb|work | and works fine |
| 11:22.02 | sb|work | but i think if we have to wait some more months for ulduar, we are going to have problems |
| 11:22.05 | Mikk | i particularily like how old effort and old gear doesn't make you win/lose for ages to come |
| 11:22.07 | sb|work | because 10% decay each raid |
| 11:22.14 | sb|work | its fine now |
| 11:22.28 | Mikk | yeah i'm considering how to handle that too |
| 11:22.29 | sb|work | but as soon as nobody doesnt need gear anymore |
| 11:22.41 | sb|work | so mh.. no idea |
| 11:22.45 | Mikk | i'm thinking dump the EP real low, and decay also, until ulduar |
| 11:22.49 | sb|work | its like some soft-reset |
| 11:22.53 | sb|work | which isnt that bad |
| 11:23.05 | Mikk | EP gains real low, i mean |
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| 11:23.09 | sb|work | so with ulduar you sitll have some priority |
| 11:23.18 | sb|work | but with very low GP values it would only last 1 item |
| 11:23.26 | sb|work | hmm okay, nevermind - system is fine :p |
| 11:23.38 | sb|work | soft reset for uldar is a good thing actually |
| 11:23.39 | Mikk | or hell just start running naxx25 without dkp |
| 11:23.51 | sb|work | yup, but then other people would cry |
| 11:23.57 | sb|work | people who still need items |
| 11:24.06 | sb|work | nah, i think i'll leave it how it is |
| 11:24.10 | Mikk | well, if there's only a few that need.... ;) |
| 11:24.22 | sb|work | so everybody will have $baseGP + some more |
| 11:24.41 | sb|work | and you have some sort of new beginning with ulduar |
| 11:24.44 | Mikk | you need to be more bastard |
| 11:24.57 | Mikk | "The officers have considered the good of everyone, and this is how it will be. Shut up and like it." |
| 11:25.05 | Mikk | does that these days. It's very refreshing. |
| 11:25.08 | sb|work | hehe |
| 11:25.18 | Mikk | And tbh there's waaaaaaaaaaay less whining these days too. |
| 11:26.07 | thul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxFZf_3DhXA |
| 11:26.37 | SunTsu | Wryxian just made my day! About Ulduar raid difficulty: "It will be harder. How much? 64." |
| 11:27.19 | sb|work | lol |
| 11:27.23 | sb|work | url? |
| 11:27.33 | sb|work | ah got it |
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| 11:32.20 | cncfanatics | ~seen elsia |
| 11:32.21 | purl | elsia <i=elsiarow@p57A26626.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 19h 24m 23s ago, saying: 'alright time for some food intake'. |
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| 11:33.14 | SunTsu | Speaking of a long lunch break... |
| 11:33.40 | cncfanatics | same for me heh, time for lunch |
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| 11:46.57 | Fisker- | Funkeh` |
| 11:47.08 | Fisker- | sag_ich_nicht wants to be unbanned |
| 11:51.52 | thul | http://www.icr.org/God/ |
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| 12:03.13 | Fisker- | hmm neat |
| 12:03.41 | Fisker- | If i had a folder named "anything" and i rename it "something" c:\anything will go to c:\something :O |
| 12:03.49 | Fisker- | I AM ASTONISHED |
| 12:07.47 | Repo | 10accomplishment: 03ethancentaurai 04v2.1.1 * e6dd392 /: [new tag] Tagging as v2.1.1 |
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| 12:17.08 | Repo | 10squire: 03Adirelle * r68 Core.lua: (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 12:17.11 | Repo | Several changes to reduce the macro length: |
| 12:17.14 | Repo | - use "[mod]" instead of "[modifier]", |
| 12:17.17 | Repo | - do not append "()" to spell names unless an item with the same name exists in player bags, |
| 12:17.20 | Repo | - bring a custom "/exitvehicle" command which accept conditionals and use it only if the player is in a vehicle. |
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| 12:41.53 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r4954 Naxxramas/Razuvious.lua: |
| 12:41.56 | Repo | BigWigs: Naxx/Razuvious: deDE update, make the description more clear |
| 12:45.04 | Grum | man this is just sad; i imported our work svn into git |
| 12:45.11 | Grum | and doing a full clone of it takes 12 seconds |
| 12:45.34 | Grum | doing a full checkout from svn is already taking 3 minutes and its ongoing o.O |
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| 13:03.08 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r4955 Naxxramas (2 files in 1 directory): frFR Update |
| 13:14.05 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r4956 Core.lua: |
| 13:14.08 | Repo | BigWigs: Core: updated deDE and put 'already_registered' in the other locals |
| 13:14.19 | vhaarr | mojosdojo: what? |
| 13:14.37 | vhaarr | you don't have to do that, dude, AceLocale falls back to enUS if a key doesn't exist |
| 13:14.40 | vhaarr | so remove it again |
| 13:15.09 | mojosdojo | kk, but i commented it |
| 13:15.23 | vhaarr | why? |
| 13:15.42 | mojosdojo | so, just for others, i would have overlooked it |
| 13:15.42 | vhaarr | you don't think other localizers are able to find it? |
| 13:15.46 | vhaarr | alright |
| 13:16.48 | mojosdojo | i saw a few cases back in bc with bt and mh |
| 13:17.02 | mojosdojo | where some strings were missing |
| 13:17.23 | vhaarr | yes fine, I didn't know you added them as commented out |
| 13:18.58 | mojosdojo | yeah, sorry for that misunderstanding |
| 13:19.30 | vhaarr | if we still had the google group or jira, I would've checked the commit diff before saying anything |
| 13:19.52 | Zhinjio | G"morning. |
| 13:23.57 | mojosdojo | But whats that already registered thing for anyway? Was there a specific problem? |
| 13:25.01 | Zhinjio | spammers |
| 13:25.20 | Zhinjio | I assume you're talking about the channel |
| 13:26.08 | mojosdojo | No, I#m talking about BigWigs |
| 13:27.55 | dodga | Since I upgraded Grid and RatingBuster some minutes ago, I'm getting this "skip spell_aura_removed because aura is still there" in my chat frames :D |
| 13:35.25 | sb|work | dodga: go update yourself! |
| 13:35.27 | sb|work | :( |
| 13:36.23 | quiescens | update you! |
| 13:36.42 | vhaarr | mojosdojo: try copying Northrend out to ..\BigWigs_Northrend and enter the obsidian sanctum, for example |
| 13:37.19 | vhaarr | updaters often do this automatically and it often results in duplicate modules floating around the addon folder |
| 13:38.01 | vhaarr | so now, instead of erroring with an obscure lua error, we notify the user about what has probably happened and how to fix it |
| 13:39.09 | dodga | sb|work: Update your mom! |
| 13:39.22 | sb|work | k |
| 13:39.28 | mojosdojo | ok, thanks for explaining that |
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| 13:42.34 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r4957 Core.lua: BigWigs: |
| 13:42.37 | Repo | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
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| 14:00.14 | Zhinjio | need to reboot to replace my UPS. back ... sometime |
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| 14:15.49 | mitch0 | didum |
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| 14:35.48 | kenlyric | how do I move a settings window whose top is moved off the screen? |
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| 15:13.01 | Xinhuan | hmm i'm semi-bored |
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| 15:16.26 | Grum | Xinhuan: you can explain a bit more about git ^^ |
| 15:16.30 | Grum | (if you are that bored) |
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| 15:17.37 | Kalroth | A git can be a completely ignorant, childish person with no manners. |
| 15:18.01 | Kalroth | Now I can't think of anyone like that, so that may not be what you're looking for |
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| 15:27.13 | haste | Kalroth: git, as in the SCM application |
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| 15:27.28 | Kalroth | I know, I'm just trolling him :P |
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| 15:37.57 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 15:38.13 | Grum | morning |
| 15:43.40 | AckisWork | morning Kaelten |
| 15:43.47 | Kaelten | ack! run! |
| 15:43.58 | AckisWork | :( |
| 15:44.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:44.03 | Kaelten | hows it going man? |
| 15:44.04 | Dark_Elf | hmm both wowace and curseforge are giving cannot open operation aborted in ie7 |
| 15:44.20 | AckisWork | lol it's good |
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| 15:46.19 | Kaelten | cannot open? |
| 15:46.20 | Kaelten | wtf |
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| 15:46.40 | Dark_Elf | just those 2 sites though i can open curse |
| 15:47.54 | AckisWork | Dark_Elf: IE7 has an anti-virus thing, and we all know curseforge is a virus! |
| 15:48.31 | Dark_Elf | been doing it since last night for me |
| 15:48.47 | Dark_Elf | ever since the curse client update hit the page |
| 15:49.31 | Grum | just dont use ie7? |
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| 15:50.01 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 15:50.01 | Dark_Elf | yeah i can do that |
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| 15:50.54 | Grum | tbh if people would just stop supporting that piece of crap software |
| 15:52.02 | Dark_Elf | that will never happen as long as its bundled with windows it will always be the most used browser |
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| 15:59.50 | Zhinjio | G"morning, Kaelten |
| 15:59.57 | Zhinjio | G'morning AckisWork |
| 16:00.44 | AckisWork | morning Zhinjio |
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| 16:06.36 | Kaelten | heya zhin |
| 16:07.40 | Kaelten | Dark_Elf: corporate world keeps the % high |
| 16:07.43 | Kaelten | fixed btw |
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| 16:09.10 | AckisWork | is in a FOUL mood |
| 16:09.12 | Kaelten | IE is only 29.77% |
| 16:10.08 | Grum | steals AckisWork's cookie. |
| 16:10.19 | AckisWork | kills Grum. |
| 16:10.26 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.36 | AckisWork | Kaelten: I'm bitchy today, can I has ops to randomly kick Fisker-? |
| 16:10.49 | Grum | i second that motion |
| 16:10.56 | haste | I third that motion |
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| 16:13.03 | Repo | 10project-13997: 03KeyokeNA * r87 : fix gratuity external link |
| 16:13.23 | AckisWork | @project project-13997 |
| 16:13.24 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-13997/. FuBar_RaidBuffFu. Game: WoW. wowaceSVN (Manager/Author). Updated: 7 seconds ago |
| 16:14.44 | Repo | 10project-13997: 03KeyokeNA * r88 : fix tabletlib external |
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| 16:15.38 | AckisWork | Ace3 Config shit: http://paste.wowace.com/255/ |
| 16:16.22 | AckisWork | values = function() return {Right = L["Right"], Left = L["Left"], Top = L["Top"], Bottom = L["Bottom"], Off = L["Off"], Mouse = L["Mouse"]} end, <-- wtf does that actually mean? if I look at the SV for that return value, what will it be? |
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| 16:18.33 | Dark_Elf | Kaelten: thanks wowace and curseforge both working with ie7 again :) |
| 16:18.55 | Repo | 10project-13997: 03KeyokeNA * r89 : fixed dewdrop external |
| 16:19.05 | ckknight | @describe project-13997 |
| 16:19.06 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-13997/. FuBar_RaidBuffFu. Quickly catch missing buffs on your raid |
| 16:19.10 | ckknight | ah |
| 16:20.24 | ulic | Hows PB4 coming? I haven't looked in a while. |
| 16:20.54 | Repo | 10project-13997: 03KeyokeNA * r90 : fixed fubar plugin external |
| 16:22.13 | Kaelten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoP3C76ioTU&feature=related |
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| 16:25.31 | Repo | 10project-13997: 03KeyokeNA * r91 : add external for libstub and new babble 3.0 |
| 16:26.09 | Dark_Elf | mercy thats an old addon |
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| 16:27.29 | Cheads | uhm, anyone know of an addon that makes the AchievementFrame dragable? |
| 16:27.39 | ckknight | ulic: been busy |
| 16:29.50 | AckisWork | cheads: overachiever does that and more |
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| 16:34.51 | Repo | 10project-13997: 03KeyokeNA * r92 / (3 files in 1 directory): add support for DeathKnights |
| 16:44.06 | Cheads | Ackis thanks |
| 16:46.20 | ckknight | lua> "men" > "Women" |
| 16:46.22 | lua_bot | ckknight: true |
| 16:46.45 | ulic | hehe |
| 16:46.57 | SunTsu | .o0( case exploit? ;) ) |
| 16:47.06 | ulic | lua> "Men" > "Women" |
| 16:47.06 | lua_bot | ulic: false |
| 16:47.25 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:47.31 | ckknight | I found this site |
| 16:47.31 | ckknight | http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/ |
| 16:48.17 | AckisWork | I believe all women suffer from a mild and extremely localized form of Tourette Syndrome. The afflicted organ? Their tongues. That’s why women cannot shut their fucking mouths for ten seconds while adults are speaking around them. Their tongues are battling around in their mouths like drunken Vipers. |
| 16:48.18 | AckisWork | lol |
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| 16:51.24 | ckknight | women are odd beasts |
| 16:52.08 | Arrowmaster | @project project-13997 |
| 16:52.09 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-13997/. FuBar_RaidBuffFu. Game: WoW. wowaceSVN (Manager/Author). Updated: 17 minutes ago |
| 16:53.00 | cncfanatics | blizz startup message this morning was about hotfixes (EU), anyone knows what they are hotfixing / what they hotfixed ? |
| 16:53.17 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Malygos 25 and Sapphiron |
| 16:53.36 | cncfanatics | the vortex and sapph not always hitting enough people with the bolt I assume ? |
| 16:54.02 | AckisWork | you know that's the 3rd time this moring that project has been queried lol |
| 16:54.03 | ulic | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/14910003119-sapphiron-and-malygos-hotfixes.html |
| 16:54.09 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: They reduced Sapphirons frostaura to a sane value and gave more time after vortices in Malygos 25 |
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| 16:56.35 | EvilJohn | that had to happen given how much crappy lag there is on the encounter |
| 16:56.59 | EvilJohn | even when it's working 'normally' the server and client have pretty disagreements where Malygos is actually standing after a vortex |
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| 18:36.19 | Elsia | heya |
| 18:37.14 | Hjalte | Good evening Elsia |
| 18:37.22 | Elsia | hey there Hjalte |
| 18:44.24 | NivFreak | I'm behind but |
| 18:44.29 | NivFreak | HOLY SHIT NO MORE HUNTER AMMO? |
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| 18:46.07 | Torhal | NivFreak: Don't remind me. Insanity. |
| 18:46.14 | Torhal | I still have shards, FFS. |
| 18:46.51 | NivFreak | well |
| 18:46.57 | Hjalte | Shards is such a stupid system. |
| 18:47.03 | NivFreak | that's good for locks, I think that destroys the major argument to keep them |
| 18:47.20 | AckisWork | they should make warlock shards stack but any that are in a stack can't be used or destroyed! HA |
| 18:47.30 | NivFreak | haha |
| 18:47.38 | Torhal | AckisWork: You make no sense, sir. Desist. |
| 18:47.39 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:47.49 | AckisWork | nah I just hate warlocks |
| 18:48.00 | Torhal | What class do you play? |
| 18:48.04 | NivFreak | wtf |
| 18:48.06 | AckisWork | priest |
| 18:48.07 | AckisWork | holy |
| 18:48.09 | NivFreak | they rebuffed gargoyle? |
| 18:48.11 | AckisWork | not very well :P |
| 18:48.15 | Torhal | Heh |
| 18:48.20 | NeoTron | NivFreak: and moved it so you need deep unhol to get it yes |
| 18:48.38 | NeoTron | opens up some more interesting specs for unholy tanking in theory |
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| 18:49.01 | AckisWork | Torhal: I used to be good but then I've pretty much been playing casually for the past 6 months or so? |
| 18:49.02 | NeoTron | one of my favorite changes of course is the change to Sudden Doom to auto-proc a deathcoil |
| 18:49.08 | NeoTron | free of button presses |
| 18:49.32 | Torhal | Hell, I hadn't raided since before 2.4.3 until last night. Went to 10-man Naxx. |
| 18:49.52 | AckisWork | Torhal: naxx is different :P |
| 18:50.02 | Torhal | Different how? |
| 18:50.06 | AckisWork | I have trouble with P3 of malygos because I have no depth perception on that |
| 18:50.09 | AckisWork | it's easy as fuck |
| 18:50.12 | AckisWork | cept saph |
| 18:50.17 | AckisWork | I hate saph as an undergeared healer |
| 18:52.13 | AckisWork | and OS pisses me off to because it crashes my graphics card |
| 18:52.18 | AckisWork | so I die to fire walls |
| 18:52.53 | NeoTron | OS pisses me off only because it's such a random luck fight |
| 18:53.10 | NeoTron | in at least two or three attempts we had a healer take two flame balls within 0.3 seconds of eachother |
| 18:53.17 | NeoTron | 23k damage. Boom. |
| 18:53.40 | NeoTron | at least once during a wave which means smart positioning is a bit flaky |
| 18:54.35 | Xinhuan | who thinks WG should have more incentive to defend it? |
| 18:54.57 | Xinhuan | as it is, right now, there is no incentive to defend WG unless you are just farming honor |
| 18:55.59 | ArrowmasterClass | well on my server you cant win by defending anyway unless you destroy the south towers |
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| 19:07.05 | Primer | Is there a document that details curse wiki formatting? Couldn't find anything in KB |
| 19:07.29 | Primer | Xinhuan: on my realm Alliance defends it all the time |
| 19:07.39 | Primer | the last 2 times I was on D we defended it |
| 19:09.01 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp * r44 DemocraticReadyCheck.lua: - Fixed handling of new events for non-officer players |
| 19:09.09 | Primer | ok, nm, found it |
| 19:09.16 | Primer | "markup types" |
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| 19:15.01 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp 04v1.1.3 * r45 : - Fixed event handling to be compatible with 3.0.8 |
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| 19:16.53 | ckknight | hey all, anyone wanna join my mafia on the facebook app Mafia Wars? (http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia) |
| 19:18.00 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp 04v1.1.4 * r46 : - Fixed event handling. Now compatible with 3.0.8 |
| 19:18.15 | Xinhuan | ckknight |
| 19:18.20 | ckknight | yes? |
| 19:18.25 | Xinhuan | what does "Changed priority from 1 to 3" mean in the activity log |
| 19:18.27 | Xinhuan | for localizations |
| 19:18.36 | ckknight | each translation has a priority |
| 19:18.55 | ckknight | the highest priority is what is considered "most recent" for the localization-language pair |
| 19:19.01 | ckknight | wait |
| 19:19.11 | ckknight | it's the phrase-language pair |
| 19:19.23 | ckknight | translations are unique on (phrase, language, user) |
| 19:19.26 | taleden | is there a website somewhere that shows all the built-in icons from Interface\Icons\*? |
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| 19:19.34 | Xinhuan | so what does 1->3 mean |
| 19:19.44 | Xinhuan | and is 1 a higher or lower priority? |
| 19:19.48 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp 04v1.1.3 * r47 : Buggy version |
| 19:19.50 | ckknight | 3 is more recent |
| 19:20.03 | ckknight | Xinhuan: means someone submitted a new translation, someone reverted back to the old way |
| 19:20.22 | ulic | taleden: wowwiki.com has them, mabye not all the recent ones, but at least most of them. |
| 19:20.44 | Xinhuan | not quite understanding |
| 19:20.44 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/admin/activities/localization_translation-63646-traditional-chinese-zh-tw/ |
| 19:20.48 | Xinhuan | consider that one |
| 19:21.01 | Xinhuan | i created a translation by import |
| 19:21.12 | Xinhuan | and then someone changed the priority, i don't think the text was changed |
| 19:21.47 | Xinhuan | so what exactly is changed? lol |
| 19:22.04 | ckknight | dunno, looks like no other translations exist |
| 19:22.23 | Xinhuan | so a priority change doesn't quite make sense to me |
| 19:23.10 | Mokhtar | Xinhuan: check your priv msg when you have time (IF I managed to send you one, noob at irc) |
| 19:23.15 | Xinhuan | i had any suggestion yesterday ckknight. how about a textbox i can paste my entire addon code into |
| 19:23.19 | Xinhuan | another* |
| 19:23.29 | ckknight | you mean like paste.wowace.com? |
| 19:23.29 | Xinhuan | and it parses that code for all the L["blah"] strings |
| 19:23.29 | ckknight | :P |
| 19:23.33 | Xinhuan | for import into |
| 19:23.35 | Xinhuan | enUS |
| 19:23.35 | ckknight | oh |
| 19:23.41 | ckknight | no plans for that |
| 19:23.50 | Xinhuan | but good idea, yes? |
| 19:23.51 | ckknight | that'd be complex |
| 19:23.56 | ckknight | :[ |
| 19:24.06 | Xinhuan | i think nevcairiel has a script for it |
| 19:24.10 | Xinhuan | its in lua |
| 19:24.20 | Xinhuan | he uses it to parse his BT4 source files |
| 19:24.27 | Xinhuan | to generate his translation file |
| 19:24.38 | yabo | Hello, http://paste.wowace.com/256/ . XqoLock_OnLoad is the first function to be loaded, and XqoLock_Hidden = true, why does Xqolock not load when XqoLock_OnLoad checks for XqoLock("hidden")? |
| 19:25.00 | Xinhuan | Mokhtar, i don't receive any priv msgs |
| 19:25.01 | Xinhuan | or rather |
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| 19:25.04 | yabo | ive looked over it so many times, but Xqolock refuses to load |
| 19:25.13 | Xinhuan | i can't receive any from you unless your nickname is registered |
| 19:25.19 | Xinhuan | on this IRC network |
| 19:25.20 | Mokhtar | h ok |
| 19:25.26 | Mokhtar | np |
| 19:25.30 | Xinhuan | it takes 2 registered nicks to PM each other |
| 19:25.33 | Mokhtar | I'll just ask here then :p |
| 19:25.44 | Mokhtar | Sorry to be a bother I wanted to ask you a question as you seem to be the author of LibGraph-2.0 |
| 19:25.51 | Xinhuan | uh huh? |
| 19:25.52 | Mokhtar | Any particular reason for using bugstack(...) to get the texture paths ? It's apparently erroring out because my install directory is too long |
| 19:26.00 | Mokhtar | wait you're not ? |
| 19:26.10 | Xinhuan | well there's no other way to get the folder name |
| 19:26.12 | Xinhuan | that is why |
| 19:26.20 | Xinhuan | the library is a library that is embeddable |
| 19:26.26 | Mokhtar | ok so my addon names seems too long |
| 19:26.30 | Xinhuan | which means it could exist in _any_ addon's subfolder |
| 19:26.46 | Xinhuan | so without the path, i can't get the texture paths |
| 19:26.59 | Mokhtar | hmm |
| 19:27.08 | Xinhuan | a solution is simply for you not to name your subfolder long |
| 19:27.18 | Mokhtar | ell |
| 19:27.21 | Mokhtar | well |
| 19:27.28 | Xinhuan | for eg, just name it myaddon\LG-1.0\blah |
| 19:27.37 | Xinhuan | instead of myaddon\libs\LibGraph-2.0\blah |
| 19:27.41 | Xinhuan | or whatever |
| 19:27.44 | Mokhtar | ok |
| 19:27.46 | Xinhuan | it can be 1 letter long too |
| 19:27.53 | Mokhtar | not familiar with bugstack |
| 19:28.03 | Xinhuan | move it out of the libs subfolder if you even have to |
| 19:28.25 | Fisker- | slaps Xinhuan around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:28.26 | Mokhtar | it doesn't take into account the folders before wow root folder ? |
| 19:28.27 | Fisker- | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:28.34 | ckknight | hey Fisker- |
| 19:28.37 | ckknight | you use Facebook? |
| 19:28.54 | Fisker- | heavens no |
| 19:28.59 | Xinhuan | no heh |
| 19:29.12 | Xinhuan | but i only need to know the path from Interface\AddOns\ onwards |
| 19:29.23 | Mokhtar | I'd hate for the addon to fail before soemeone installed wow in c:\some \stupid`\long\folder\hierarchy\wow |
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| 19:29.47 | Mokhtar | OK thanks |
| 19:29.47 | Xinhuan | i only checked for the last few letters of "Ons\" onwards |
| 19:30.07 | ckknight | I need someone in my mafia for a facebook app |
| 19:30.09 | ckknight | :P |
| 19:30.12 | cncfanatics | ~seen elsia |
| 19:30.15 | purl | elsia is currently on #wowace (54m 8s) #curseforge (54m 8s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 52m 53s, last said: 'hey there Hjalte'. |
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| 19:30.22 | Elsia | quack |
| 19:30.38 | cncfanatics | Elsia: hai thar, I was wondering if you looked into adding absorbs into recount much lately |
| 19:30.57 | Elsia | I still need more detail on how absorbs function, but yeah I'm on it |
| 19:31.08 | cncfanatics | especialy with the solution from the guy using combatlog data and tracking who's aegis / pw:s is on |
| 19:31.12 | Xinhuan | Elsia: Recount3 pls :) |
| 19:31.20 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp * r48 DemocraticReadyCheck.lua: - Now works in a party too. |
| 19:31.32 | cncfanatics | Elsia: anything I can help with ? I'm a disc priest :p |
| 19:31.54 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp 04v1.1.5 * r49 : - Now works in a party too. |
| 19:32.02 | Pneumatus | pastamancer: love the new different presets for raid vs heroic raid :) |
| 19:32.06 | Elsia | well here is what I need to know |
| 19:32.11 | Mokhtar | Any non heuristic way to do that ? Heuristic sucks |
| 19:32.20 | Elsia | the damage meter does report when aborb spells are applied and fade |
| 19:32.33 | Elsia | but it's unclear how that exactly relates to absorb messages |
| 19:32.43 | Elsia | if that relation is deterministic one can do this cleanly |
| 19:32.50 | Elsia | (modulo event misses) |
| 19:33.01 | Xinhuan | what we don't know if whether it is deterministic or not |
| 19:33.04 | Xinhuan | is* |
| 19:33.14 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp 04v1.1.6 * r50 : - Now works in a party too. |
| 19:33.42 | Elsia | basically I'd need a few people with absorbs to play games with a tank in controlled situation to measure this |
| 19:33.53 | Elsia | 2 spriests or 1 priest 1 pala, or a mage tank + spriest etc |
| 19:34.10 | Xinhuan | if 2 shields are active at the same time, which one absorbs first? the one with lesser duration left? lesser absorption left? the one that was casted first? is mana shield always last priority? is there priorities and if there is, might they have same priorities? |
| 19:34.34 | Xinhuan | and its more difficult because absorption amounts vary by spellpower of caster |
| 19:34.40 | cncfanatics | Elsia: would a warr + a disc priest work ? I can put up two shields |
| 19:34.43 | Elsia | exactly... if all those relations are known and they are in fact deterministic.. |
| 19:35.19 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp * r51 DemocraticReadyCheck.lua: - Removed debug message |
| 19:35.21 | Elsia | cncfanatics: currently any data is good data really |
| 19:35.31 | Fisker- | ckknight |
| 19:35.34 | Fisker- | wanna be my boyfriend? |
| 19:35.36 | cncfanatics | will do, guess aegis & pw:s are the most important ones |
| 19:35.41 | Xinhuan | there are also other stuff that proc shields |
| 19:35.42 | ckknight | no thx, Fisker-, already with someone |
| 19:35.45 | Xinhuan | trinkets |
| 19:35.51 | cncfanatics | yea, said tank has gossamer |
| 19:35.52 | Xinhuan | like Gossamer |
| 19:35.55 | Fisker- | are you dating Kaelten? |
| 19:36.07 | Xinhuan | and i think priest T3 had something too? |
| 19:36.18 | Repo | 10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp 04v1.1.7 * r52 : - Removed debug message |
| 19:36.20 | Kaelten | have a date tonight, she's coming over and cooking |
| 19:36.22 | Kaelten | sorry |
| 19:36.26 | cncfanatics | I'd rather get relevant things first Xinhuan :p |
| 19:36.48 | Fisker- | ckknight is a she? |
| 19:36.49 | Fisker- | :e |
| 19:37.03 | ckknight | no, Fisker- |
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| 19:37.41 | Fisker- | aw |
| 19:38.03 | Elsia | someone PMed me claiming that shields are absorbed in the order they are applied, but I cannot yet confirm this, and I doubt it tbh. |
| 19:38.17 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1479 / (3 files in 1 directory): If this doesn't work, blame Kaelten. |
| 19:38.21 | ckknight | I absorbed your mom's shields last night |
| 19:38.26 | Xinhuan | that would be awful |
| 19:38.30 | Xinhuan | because as a mage, i want |
| 19:38.35 | cncfanatics | gonna run a few tests with a boomkin first, has no procs at all |
| 19:38.35 | Xinhuan | mana shield to always be last |
| 19:38.39 | Elsia | hmm |
| 19:38.42 | cncfanatics | so I can just test divine aegis & pw:s together cleanly |
| 19:38.45 | Elsia | actually mana shield is great to test this |
| 19:38.51 | Elsia | watch when the mana drain starts! |
| 19:39.04 | Xinhuan | well |
| 19:39.11 | cncfanatics | combatlog reports what exactly absorbed iirc |
| 19:39.13 | Xinhuan | you can always tell which shield is used first by seeing the buff drop |
| 19:39.16 | cncfanatics | so /combatlog works perfectly :p |
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| 19:39.48 | Elsia | drop may be because of time outs etc too |
| 19:39.56 | cncfanatics | thats easy to notice |
| 19:40.16 | Elsia | really ideally I wouldn't want to need to time shield buffs :P |
| 19:44.21 | cncfanatics | lol, having idiot serverlag atm outside dalaran : |
| 19:46.21 | cncfanatics | lets see what the combatlog gives us |
| 19:47.36 | cncfanatics | http://pastebin.com/m7143dd5e |
| 19:47.41 | cncfanatics | a few tests on a boomkin |
| 19:47.41 | AckisWork | http://www.wowace.com/comments/21751-dexter74-reverse-translation-does-not-message-fubar_reagent/ |
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| 19:48.37 | cncfanatics | Elsia: can u make anything out of that combatlog data ? I tried to combine as much possible scenarios with those 2 |
| 19:48.46 | cncfanatics | I got aegis up while pw:s was up, got pw:s up while aegis was up |
| 19:48.54 | Elsia | lemme have a look |
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| 19:49.57 | cncfanatics | from what I could see, aegis was ALWAYS being used up firszt |
| 19:49.59 | cncfanatics | first even |
| 19:50.02 | Elsia | unrelated but this is a weird combat log line: 2/6 20:42:21.209 SWING_MISSED,0xF530007AAA0A47ED,"Azure Scalebane",0xa48,0x000000000109B613,"Claw",0x10512,ABSORB,283 |
| 19:50.07 | Elsia | an absorb on a miss |
| 19:50.13 | Elsia | meh nevermind me |
| 19:50.15 | Elsia | need coffee |
| 19:50.16 | cncfanatics | absorbs are counted as misses afaik |
| 19:50.30 | Elsia | ~lark elsia |
| 19:50.41 | Elsia | ~stab elsia |
| 19:50.42 | purl | ACTION runs at elsia with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:50.47 | cncfanatics | ~lart Elsia |
| 19:50.47 | purl | hereby declares Elsia a troll |
| 19:50.52 | Elsia | thanks |
| 19:51.11 | cncfanatics | I can't make out anything out of the combatlog >.> so please enlighten me |
| 19:51.41 | Elsia | alright let me excel this, for easier analysis |
| 19:51.58 | cncfanatics | oki |
| 19:52.03 | Elsia | won't be that fast. first need to isolate the sensible aura_applied and removed from the trash |
| 19:52.31 | cncfanatics | just tell me if u need me to do any more tests at all |
| 19:52.43 | cncfanatics | heck, I can give you the combatlog data of a night of raiding if u want, should cover most if not all scenarios |
| 19:53.34 | Elsia | it you have palas that are bop happy that might be neat, I'm very much interested in time- rather than amount-limited absorbs |
| 19:54.31 | cncfanatics | our pallies are actualy quite BoP unhappy |
| 19:54.36 | cncfanatics | never saw em BoP |
| 19:54.45 | Repo | 10fu-bar_reagent-fu: 03Ackis * r83 / (8 files in 1 directory): Fix mistake with localizer |
| 19:54.56 | cncfanatics | BoP is an immunity effect though ? |
| 19:55.01 | cncfanatics | unrelated to absorbs afaik |
| 19:56.39 | Elsia | combat log doesn't know immunity |
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| 19:57.04 | Elsia | actually... |
| 19:57.38 | cncfanatics | there is a misstype "IMMUNE" |
| 19:57.44 | cncfanatics | according to http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 19:58.38 | Elsia | hmm yeah, there is no partial immunity but that makes sense |
| 20:00.00 | Mokhtar | Stupid question : say I want to use Acheron's methods, would local Acheron = Acheron speed up things ? I seem to recall getting stuff out of global is heavy work |
| 20:00.24 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:00.37 | Mokhtar | Thanks |
| 20:01.10 | Xinhuan | a table lookup is not O(1) as lua manual says it is ;p |
| 20:01.43 | Elsia | it may be O(1) with the duration hidden in a contant of the size of the table ;) |
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| 20:01.59 | Mokhtar | getting things out of Global is a table lookup ? |
| 20:02.06 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:02.08 | cncfanatics | yea, the global env is a table |
| 20:02.09 | Mokhtar | well I can see that |
| 20:02.24 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1480 ARLFrame.lua: Add some debug stuff to see how i fucked tooltips up. |
| 20:02.27 | Xinhuan | the table is called _G |
| 20:02.33 | Xinhuan | yes, _G._G is _G |
| 20:02.45 | cncfanatics | the magic of metatables :) |
| 20:03.10 | Elsia | _G is nilpotent (algebra speak) |
| 20:03.37 | cncfanatics | wait, what ? |
| 20:03.45 | cncfanatics | I haven't had decent algebra for nearly a year |
| 20:03.56 | Elsia | if you have a function that applied twice yields itself it's nilpotent |
| 20:04.02 | Elsia | f o f = f |
| 20:04.17 | Xinhuan | f(x) = -x |
| 20:04.18 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 20:04.30 | Elsia | its n-potent if it returns to itself after n applications, f(x) is 2-potent |
| 20:05.01 | Elsia | but back to excel :P |
| 20:05.14 | cncfanatics | I'll get back to my fishing skillups |
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| 20:09.04 | AckisWork | so I may or may not have fixed the scan button issues... if they don't work blame Kaelten :P |
| 20:09.41 | cncfanatics | always blame Kaelten |
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| 20:12.22 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz * r57 Bootstrap.lua: Update to boot list |
| 20:12.52 | Elsia | how much does DA shield for? |
| 20:13.25 | Elsia | 30% healed, got it |
| 20:19.00 | Elsia | it's weird. DA doesn't come out right for 30% for the cases I try to check it |
| 20:19.52 | Mokhtar | I think it's 30% effective heal |
| 20:20.14 | Megalon | nilpotent means |
| 20:20.23 | Megalon | something different i think ;> |
| 20:20.49 | Elsia | doesn't work for effective healing either it's way too much for the effective heals I see |
| 20:21.02 | Torhal | AckisWork: You know, in your commit messages, you should watch your fucking language. |
| 20:21.05 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:21.22 | Megalon | what you meant was idempotent :P |
| 20:21.51 | Elsia | example: flash heal with 100% overheal at 3512 triggers DA for 651 absorbed |
| 20:22.00 | Groktar | searches for profane commits |
| 20:22.31 | Mokhtar | Hmmm |
| 20:22.38 | cncfanatics | thats much less then 30%, it could be its just fading ? |
| 20:22.53 | cncfanatics | check if the timer is 12 secs I guess |
| 20:22.53 | Mokhtar | There were some reports that it was bugged |
| 20:23.10 | Groktar | test with low ranks in a dual maybe |
| 20:23.24 | Groktar | *duel |
| 20:23.32 | cncfanatics | DA is pretty impossible to test in duel |
| 20:23.34 | cncfanatics | easyest on mobs |
| 20:23.57 | cncfanatics | u sure its not just fading away Elsia ? |
| 20:24.01 | Groktar | is it? |
| 20:24.09 | Groktar | flash yourself with r1 until you get a crit |
| 20:24.12 | Elsia | well it is supposed to last 12 seconds but it fades much faster |
| 20:24.14 | Groktar | have mage fireball you |
| 20:24.32 | cncfanatics | ah like that |
| 20:24.39 | Elsia | in that example it faded in 4 seconds after triggering |
| 20:24.59 | Elsia | I read that as meanig: all got aborbed |
| 20:25.12 | cncfanatics | it might have been overwritten by another DA ? |
| 20:25.21 | cncfanatics | I can't remember exactly how overwriting works |
| 20:25.21 | Elsia | btw it seams that DA > pws in hierarchy, irrespective of application order |
| 20:25.31 | Pneumatus | defaintly |
| 20:25.35 | AckisWork | http://www.bennlinger.com/mounts/view.php?q=55555AAA554AAAA010035555BC1007FFFFF1F84020A00004 cool |
| 20:25.38 | Pneumatus | DA always gets eaten before PWS |
| 20:26.04 | Elsia | that's deterministic though, not bad |
| 20:26.15 | Torhal | AckisWork: Farm them for me. |
| 20:26.17 | Elsia | now how to get the complete hierarchy of absorb effects :P |
| 20:26.20 | cncfanatics | Elsia: is there an example in that log where pw:s is on low value before DS gets applied ? |
| 20:26.35 | cncfanatics | because it might just be it is because DS has less absorb left then pw:s every time |
| 20:26.36 | Elsia | cncfanatics: not done with the whole thing yet |
| 20:26.42 | cncfanatics | ah k |
| 20:26.58 | cncfanatics | pw:s is a huge ass 4k shield :p |
| 20:28.20 | Hjalte | Zhinjio: Hi there. Broker_HitCrit doesn't seem to like having LibQTip-1.0 standalone |
| 20:29.12 | Elsia | DA seems to be valued at (heal - 100), that is total not effective heals in almost all cases I calculate. so DA seems to not be effective heals at all given that it procs and shields for pure overheals |
| 20:29.25 | Elsia | 30% of that I mean |
| 20:29.42 | NeoTron | so it seems we'll be getting Emblems of Conquest in 3.1... and a new Archavon boss |
| 20:29.56 | Elsia | done with the log |
| 20:30.07 | Hjalte | NeoTron: The big question is whether there will be two new emblems |
| 20:30.12 | NeoTron | I don't think so |
| 20:30.18 | Elsia | DA never fades after PWS if both are up, so I'd go with the hypothesis that DA > PWS unless other evidence shows |
| 20:30.19 | NeoTron | I am guessing Conquest = 8.5, valor = 8.1 |
| 20:30.21 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna test how it works when I apply DA when pw:s has a very very low absorbtion value yet |
| 20:30.27 | cncfanatics | just to make sure |
| 20:30.37 | Elsia | ok |
| 20:30.45 | NeoTron | which means t8.1 = t7.5 in ilevel |
| 20:31.40 | Torhal | Hjalte: Works for me. |
| 20:32.32 | NeoTron | zomg! "Time is running out for you to rejoin the epic adventure that is Star Wars Galaxies and reclaim your houses, structures, real estate and game assets before they are packed up and removed from the game servers. Come back to Star Wars Galaxies today!" |
| 20:32.36 | NeoTron | I must hurry! |
| 20:33.08 | cncfanatics | lael, they remove assets ? |
| 20:33.09 | cncfanatics | sad |
| 20:33.17 | NeoTron | actually they "pack it up" |
| 20:33.31 | NeoTron | means you lost your "spot" in the world but it's in your datapad for deployment should you return |
| 20:33.38 | Hjalte | Torhal: That's strange. I get this error: http://paste.wowace.com/258/ but Ampere tells me that LibQTip-1.0 is loaded. |
| 20:33.50 | NeoTron | since housing uses physical space it makes sense |
| 20:34.01 | cncfanatics | ah ok |
| 20:34.02 | ckknight | hey all, if anybody has any legacy localizations like MYADDON_KEY = "Blah" they want to import, wowace now supports importing that (although not exporting) |
| 20:34.33 | Torhal | Hjalte: Try re-downloading LibStub and Ace2. Looks like AceLibrary is overriding LibStub, causing LibQTip not to load properly. |
| 20:34.55 | Torhal | Anywho, I gotta get to work. |
| 20:35.02 | Torhal | Back in 4 hours. Heh. |
| 20:35.08 | cncfanatics | I got a rogue flying to orgri to hit me in duel |
| 20:35.11 | cncfanatics | shld have the results shortly |
| 20:35.29 | pastamancer | Pneumatus: if I had realized how easy it was, it would have gone in sooner :p |
| 20:36.08 | haste | NeoTron: got that one today also :p |
| 20:36.26 | haste | NeoTron: amazed they still have the data after 5+ years :p |
| 20:36.39 | pastamancer | I'm amazed they're still in business! |
| 20:36.53 | haste | It's SoE, not like they destroy all they touch! |
| 20:36.55 | pastamancer | SoE really went out of their way to screw over SWG players |
| 20:37.02 | haste | misses Infantry. |
| 20:37.21 | haste | Then again, they made that free again... 6 years after destroying it |
| 20:37.53 | cncfanatics | eve online > all the other spacegames |
| 20:38.29 | haste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_(computer_game) > all other 2D games (at that time at least :D) |
| 20:42.44 | cncfanatics | Elsia: I'm pretty sure pw:s faded first there |
| 20:42.47 | cncfanatics | sending u combatlog |
| 20:43.15 | cncfanatics | http://pastebin.com/m275c6ee3 |
| 20:43.15 | Elsia | ok |
| 20:43.19 | cncfanatics | mostly the end is relevant |
| 20:43.26 | cncfanatics | first 3 tries rogue got through my pw:s fully |
| 20:43.39 | cncfanatics | 4th try he almost got through it then I crit healed a GH for a big DA |
| 20:44.59 | Repo | 10engulf: 03durcyn 07master * 1.0.3-release-1-ged266da Engulf.lua: [+1 commit] Attempt to add stack counters to the display, needs testing yet. |
| 20:45.49 | Repo | 10grid: 03Pastamancer * r1166 GridLayout.lua: |
| 20:45.52 | Repo | Ticket 76 - hide layout headers before resetting the attributes. |
| 20:46.55 | Elsia | cncfanatics: pws faded but there was no absorb event between DA procing and PWS fading so cannot tell from that parse |
| 20:47.30 | cncfanatics | u sure ? |
| 20:47.30 | cncfanatics | gah |
| 20:48.40 | Elsia | sorry |
| 20:50.03 | cncfanatics | my fault not urs lol |
| 20:50.06 | NeoTron | haste: seems like they had some mass email fail though since the "reactivate offer" was from mid January to mid February |
| 20:50.24 | haste | oh joy |
| 20:50.41 | NeoTron | Elsia: trying to account for shields in healing number or something? |
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| 20:51.06 | Elsia | well trying to figure out how absorbs function in general, but yes if there's a clean way to do it |
| 20:51.27 | Elsia | I still don't consider absorbs heals but I know most want them to be heals for "meter" reasons :P |
| 20:51.34 | NeoTron | main issue is I don't think there's any way to see how much was absorbed by which shield effect |
| 20:52.00 | NeoTron | would be nice with an absorb event |
| 20:52.09 | cncfanatics | absorb events are in the combatlog |
| 20:52.13 | cncfanatics | they say how much was absorbed |
| 20:52.17 | cncfanatics | do they also mention by what effect ? |
| 20:52.19 | NeoTron | by spell? |
| 20:52.27 | NeoTron | I thought it was just an additional field |
| 20:52.35 | Elsia | not by spell but we try to infer it from spell_aura_applied basically :P |
| 20:52.41 | cncfanatics | if we can figure the order of absorbtion thats not a prob |
| 20:52.44 | Elsia | like the old PoM/LB/ES tracking |
| 20:53.01 | NeoTron | I can't see how it'd work really |
| 20:53.23 | NeoTron | if I take a 35k fire hit and absorb 6k and have a fire pot + shield how do you know what to attribute to which? |
| 20:53.23 | Elsia | well it relies on there being a clear order in which spells being active and absorbs relate |
| 20:53.39 | Elsia | if pot always > shield you can |
| 20:53.45 | Elsia | but we don't have that knowledge yet |
| 20:53.48 | NeoTron | you can't though |
| 20:53.56 | NeoTron | pot is a random amount absorbed, not fixed |
| 20:54.12 | NeoTron | you can know that X to Y of the amount was the pot but not how much of it |
| 20:54.34 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, shield absorbs are "random" too ;p |
| 20:54.47 | Xinhuan | the amount absorbed is dependant on spellpower of caster |
| 20:54.52 | NeoTron | right |
| 20:54.58 | Xinhuan | and coefficent of spell |
| 20:55.06 | cncfanatics | the combatlog reports us how much was absorbed |
| 20:55.10 | NeoTron | what is needed is a SPELL_ABSORB event indicating that spell X absorbed Y |
| 20:55.17 | Shefki | cncfanatics: But not by what. |
| 20:55.22 | Elsia | well that'd be the ideal |
| 20:55.44 | Elsia | but disc priests don't seem to have the patience to wait for blizz to add this to the CL ;) |
| 20:55.53 | cncfanatics | http://pastebin.com/m1af82752 |
| 20:55.54 | Shefki | cncfanatics: And part of the problem is a given damage event can use parts or all of more than one absorb thingy. |
| 20:55.56 | Pneumatus | i dont care that i look shit on epeen meters :, |
| 20:55.59 | durcyn | while you're asking for that, can you also get them to add a SPELL_SUMMON event for mounts, and modify UnitDebuff/UnitBuff to return the caster's GUID, thanks |
| 20:56.10 | cncfanatics | durcyn: the later will never happen |
| 20:56.14 | cncfanatics | blizz doesnt want us to have that info |
| 20:56.14 | Pneumatus | i alwas win the mana gained meter, thats all im worried about :) |
| 20:56.34 | durcyn | or at least augment the isMine flag with isPet's or somesuch |
| 20:56.36 | cncfanatics | Elsia: check that one |
| 20:56.41 | Elsia | checking |
| 20:57.03 | cncfanatics | around like 150 |
| 20:57.22 | cncfanatics | 147 aegis gets applied |
| 20:57.30 | cncfanatics | 155 he backstabs |
| 20:57.39 | Shefki | durcyn: I wish on the whole isMine bit... Tired of closing tickets saying "But my drakes auras are mine." |
| 20:57.41 | cncfanatics | pw:s gets removed a line later |
| 20:57.59 | cncfanatics | and then DA kicks in |
| 20:58.26 | durcyn | Shefki: seriously. more planning ahead for vehicle encounters please =( |
| 20:58.40 | fewyn | hmmm is drdamage up to date? or is there a alternative? |
| 20:58.48 | cncfanatics | fewyn: drdmg is up to date afaik |
| 20:58.52 | Groktar | please please no more vehicle encounters :( |
| 20:58.57 | fewyn | yay |
| 20:58.59 | fewyn | thanks |
| 20:59.35 | cncfanatics | Elsia: am I correct in saying pw:s absorbed before DA there ? |
| 20:59.55 | Elsia | looks like it |
| 21:00.08 | cncfanatics | bah, it means its based on dmg absorbed |
| 21:00.15 | cncfanatics | on dmg left to be absorbed* |
| 21:00.19 | cncfanatics | which is totaly untrackable client side |
| 21:01.04 | cncfanatics | Elsia: any ideas ? >.> |
| 21:01.06 | Xinhuan | go test on mana shield |
| 21:01.30 | Xinhuan | check if mana shield is alawys last |
| 21:01.42 | cncfanatics | got no mage to test with |
| 21:01.49 | End | I think mana shield is always after frost barrier |
| 21:01.56 | End | and fire/frost ward are before frost barrier |
| 21:02.04 | Xinhuan | it may be that those 2 shields are equal priority |
| 21:02.09 | Elsia | here's my guess, it uses the smaller of the two absorbs that will cover whatever is incoming, which would be a pretty smart way of doing absorbs tbh |
| 21:02.10 | cncfanatics | slaps himself |
| 21:02.23 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna log my mage |
| 21:02.25 | Xinhuan | hence those 2 shields choose "least absoroption left" |
| 21:02.29 | cncfanatics | and see how frost shield interacts with mana shields |
| 21:02.37 | cncfanatics | gimme a sec |
| 21:03.30 | cncfanatics | my 70 mage shld do |
| 21:03.47 | cncfanatics | Elsia: if it is like that , any way to track that decently in recount ? |
| 21:04.50 | Elsia | it's a pain basically, it's doable for some discs because tehre are ways to infer the total shield amount, but I don't know if that's the case for all absorbing abilities |
| 21:05.05 | Elsia | else you wouldn't know which it will pick |
| 21:06.12 | Xinhuan | nah, you won't know the spellpower of the caster |
| 21:06.13 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 21:07.50 | Elsia | DA is % healed (though buggy at that) and glyphed PW:S gives away heals (if no healing modifier is present :P) |
| 21:08.00 | Elsia | but yeah it's sketchy and not a universal solution |
| 21:08.17 | Elsia | and I really don't want a "absorb but only hacky and for some classes, specs and situations" solution |
| 21:09.33 | Arrowmaster | how did that 'recountwithabsorb' we removed from curseforge work? |
| 21:09.46 | Elsia | it was based on glyph and DA |
| 21:09.49 | cncfanatics | no no |
| 21:09.53 | cncfanatics | that was another one |
| 21:10.00 | cncfanatics | recountwithabsorb on curse assumed DA always gets used up first |
| 21:10.02 | cncfanatics | which we proved false |
| 21:10.13 | Elsia | ah that one, yeah there were two actually |
| 21:10.33 | Arrowmaster | they are both gone now right? |
| 21:10.40 | Elsia | think so yes |
| 21:11.15 | Elsia | they are both good ideas, but don't work, rapture has also been proposed but won't work in other situations |
| 21:12.48 | Elsia | spriests can get a good sense of contribution by checking the absorbed stat summary of their tanks/healing target though, but it's ballpark... good enough for raid analysis, not good for cross-healer comparisons or hard facts. |
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| 21:22.09 | Xinhuan | Elsia, how does recount count "dot uptime" |
| 21:22.25 | Elsia | lemme check |
| 21:23.06 | Elsia | it takes dot tick time for a spell tick table and uses that 3secs for unknown |
| 21:23.29 | Elsia | that is kinda prone to going obsolete or missing changes :P |
| 21:23.40 | Xinhuan | do ppl use that view |
| 21:23.41 | Xinhuan | ever |
| 21:23.46 | Elsia | no clue |
| 21:24.00 | Xinhuan | seems like a pretty meaningless stat to me? |
| 21:24.11 | Elsia | I know that very very few people use the res count |
| 21:24.46 | Elsia | the meaning of a few of these are up for debate I think, dot_uptime is mainly interesting for affliction locks currently |
| 21:24.50 | End | dot uptime is of interest to an affliction warlock |
| 21:24.53 | cncfanatics | Elsia: I got data for my mage with frost barrier, fire ward & mana shield |
| 21:24.55 | End | ack, beat'd! |
| 21:25.04 | Elsia | cncfanatics: cool |
| 21:25.09 | Xinhuan | my question is how it calculates it though |
| 21:25.09 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 21:25.16 | Xinhuan | <Elsia> it takes dot tick time for a spell tick table and uses that 3secs for unknown |
| 21:25.21 | Xinhuan | not quite sure what you mean |
| 21:25.23 | End | ticks*tick count |
| 21:25.26 | End | er I mean |
| 21:25.29 | End | tick count * tick gap |
| 21:25.43 | End | tick gap is either 3 or some stored known value |
| 21:25.54 | cncfanatics | Elsia: we used a magma totem, always ticks for 401 dmg |
| 21:25.59 | cncfanatics | the data is weird though |
| 21:26.03 | cncfanatics | http://pastebin.com/m11c9ac90 |
| 21:26.15 | Xinhuan | that seems pretty flawed isn't it? |
| 21:26.19 | Repo | 10hazloot: 03MightyHaz * r58 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added 'refresh' option |
| 21:26.22 | Repo | Renamed a "DropWinner" to "HandleWinner" before refactor to Strategy later |
| 21:26.23 | Xinhuan | if i fought for 30 seconds |
| 21:26.25 | Repo | Added "Need or Greed" strategy |
| 21:26.27 | cncfanatics | skip the part with my priest |
| 21:26.29 | Xinhuan | and have a dot up on 2 mobs |
| 21:26.32 | Xinhuan | all 30 secs |
| 21:26.39 | Xinhuan | how does it display |
| 21:26.46 | Elsia | Xinhuan: a damage event comes in from a dot spell, then lookup in a spellID table what the tick duration is of that dot. Add that to dot_uptime, done. |
| 21:27.12 | Elsia | that's dot uptime of 60 seconds |
| 21:27.21 | Xinhuan | yes, so if i have 1 dot up on 2 mobs , then it will say 60 secs? |
| 21:27.27 | Xinhuan | even though my combat time is only 30? |
| 21:27.32 | Elsia | yes |
| 21:28.18 | Xinhuan | i'm not entirely sure if this definition/calculation is meaningful hehe |
| 21:28.32 | End | it's not used much when fighting multiple mobs |
| 21:28.33 | Elsia | well it gives you a good sense how much dots you keep up |
| 21:28.37 | AckisWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=10023&sid=1&topicId=12454665647&pageNo=1 |
| 21:28.47 | Elsia | if you didn't do this affliction locks who just keep one up look the same as those that keep 3 up |
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| 21:28.50 | End | usually people measure their ability to keep dots up versuses a boss |
| 21:29.13 | End | if they have low dot uptime, that would explain their lower damage |
| 21:29.27 | Elsia | it may be a misnomer, total dot effective ticking time would be better but that's longish |
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| 21:36.16 | cncfanatics | AckisWork: ROFL |
| 21:38.27 | Shefki | I'm not sure what you guys are talking about atm... But I've always found Recount's HPS numbers to be wonky. Druids always seem to show low and other classes high. I'm guessing because of some issue with how the time is calculated. |
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| 21:38.53 | Elsia | any *PS stat is wonky ;) |
| 21:39.31 | cncfanatics | Elsia: noticed anything weird about the mage data ? |
| 21:39.47 | Elsia | cncfanatics: sorry was distracted. hadn't had a chance to look yet |
| 21:39.50 | cncfanatics | I often had 2 absorb buffs fade at the same time, which was weird |
| 21:40.15 | Shefki | Elsia: How do you figuure time spent for instants? |
| 21:41.04 | cncfanatics | Shefki: the global cd I guess ? |
| 21:41.21 | Elsia | it's a good question, what should be time spent for instants? is it GCD or is it 1s? |
| 21:41.28 | Elsia | or is it infinity HPS ;) |
| 21:41.44 | cncfanatics | its obviously the gcd, as u can't cast anything else during that time ? :p |
| 21:41.51 | Shefki | Gotta keep in mind that the GCD is not the same for every cast either. |
| 21:41.58 | Elsia | GCD can be hasted |
| 21:42.14 | cncfanatics | it shldnt be hard to figure how long the gcd is after a spell has been cast shld it ? |
| 21:42.24 | Fisker- | slaps Elsia around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:42.24 | Shefki | Elsia: In the case of druids we have a lower GCD from talents for some spells and not others. |
| 21:42.25 | Elsia | gello had a great post about DPS on the official forums a year ago |
| 21:42.40 | Fisker- | swhy SO OLD NEWS ACKIS? |
| 21:42.51 | Fisker- | Anyone got the PTR installer yet? |
| 21:43.29 | Xinhuan | it is GCD or 1.0 seconds, whichever is higher |
| 21:44.33 | Shefki | Yeah well I don't see how you can have a reliable GCD number from the combat log though. |
| 21:44.59 | Xinhuan | you can't, any number of haste effects/spells can proc ;p |
| 21:45.25 | Xinhuan | or slowing debuffs |
| 21:45.28 | Xinhuan | from mobs/bosses |
| 21:45.55 | Shefki | So with that in mind trying to calculate time spent healing/damaging is pretty hard and may favor one class or another. |
| 21:46.04 | Xinhuan | to me, the DPS display in Recount is pretty meaningless |
| 21:46.27 | Xinhuan | the only display that matters is really the "Damage Done" - because everyone's combat time with a boss is identical, unless he died |
| 21:46.28 | Elsia | DPS is pretty meaningless |
| 21:46.54 | Elsia | same for HPS. any *PS is troubled in WoW as there is no uniform time-taker that can be taken as ground truth |
| 21:46.56 | Shefki | Then why not calculate DPS against combat time? |
| 21:47.05 | sacarasc | Yeah, I do 120 dps and everyone cries about it |
| 21:47.24 | Xinhuan | because in most cases, particularly for bosses, "combat time" is a constant |
| 21:47.34 | Xinhuan | so the "damage done" view is sufficient |
| 21:48.18 | Xinhuan | as "damage done" divided by a constant, still yields the same ranking |
| 21:48.26 | Xinhuan | but merely scaled by a factor |
| 21:48.26 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Yes but healing doesn't behave that way. HPS could be a useful value. Since healers are limited by the amount of damage to heal in the raid and by what other healers have already done. |
| 21:48.41 | Xinhuan | HPS isn't meaningful at all |
| 21:49.23 | Shefki | Sure it is. If it was calculated in a meaningful way you can get an idea of if someone heals a lot for part of the fight and then slacks later. |
| 21:49.42 | Xinhuan | you can calculate the theorectical maximum HPS a healer can put out, but in practice, it a healer will rarely come even 80% close to it |
| 21:49.59 | Shefki | That's not the point. |
| 21:50.04 | Xinhuan | while for dps, you can at least come within 95% of it in a ideal no movement situation |
| 21:50.47 | Elsia | I did use HPS to gauge things but it was before 3.0.8 when priests did double the HPS of shamans, it's was drastic enough to make clear that there was a rather massive throughput difference. |
| 21:50.57 | Elsia | but if things are balanced lots of things can mess with your hps |
| 21:51.07 | Xinhuan | dps is "meaningful" because you can deal damage all the time, hps isn't meaningful because you can't heal all the time, esp when there is nothing to heal |
| 21:51.18 | Elsia | it totally depends on other healers if "snap" heals kill druids hots for example |
| 21:52.24 | Xinhuan | a tank, for example can be undergeared, and a healer do 1000 HPS on him |
| 21:52.35 | Xinhuan | but take a well geared tank, the same healer might only do 500 HPS on him |
| 21:52.39 | Xinhuan | because he takes less damage |
| 21:52.51 | Xinhuan | HPS isn't meaningful in any context, other than in theorycraft |
| 21:53.08 | Shefki | As it is right now the HPS numbers in Recount are not at all accurate. Classes using instants always show way lower than classes using cast times. Even if the class using cast times did significantly less healing. It really should be reasonably accurate. I don't believe it is at this point. |
| 21:53.34 | Shefki | Reasonably as in, accurate to the point of the data available. |
| 21:53.57 | Elsia | problem with that is what is your definition of counting time, accurate depends on that definition |
| 21:54.05 | Xinhuan | arguably, "healing done" has only one definition, and only one correct value |
| 21:54.12 | Shefki | Elsia: The one that provides the most accurate results. |
| 21:54.13 | Xinhuan | "HPS" isn't defined |
| 21:54.27 | Elsia | there is no ground truth, you cannot give me the accurate number unfortunately |
| 21:54.44 | Xinhuan | or at least, well defined in a acceptable manner across most people |
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| 21:54.49 | Shefki | I guess I should say. The one that gives the most consistent results across classes. |
| 21:55.15 | Shefki | Right now HPS is not comparable between one class to another becuase of the way the time is calculated. |
| 21:55.36 | Shefki | Which makes it less useful than it already is. |
| 21:55.46 | Elsia | HPS is a poor measure, don't use it to compare classes |
| 21:55.51 | Elsia | use healing done if you must |
| 21:56.16 | Shefki | Stop worrying about what I'm using the numbers for. I'm pointing out the output of the numbers is crap. |
| 21:56.18 | Xinhuan | the definition of HPS should at least match DPS |
| 21:56.21 | Shefki | So either dont show them or fix them. |
| 21:56.30 | Xinhuan | that is, "healing done" / "time of fight" |
| 21:56.44 | Shefki | That's not the definition in use now as I understand it. |
| 21:56.49 | Xinhuan | then what |
| 21:57.03 | Xinhuan | the definition of "HPS" isn't even well understood or accepted |
| 21:57.23 | Shefki | Xinhuan: I'd agree with the definition you gave... |
| 21:57.35 | Xinhuan | HPS only has meaning when used in theorycraft context like i said ;p |
| 21:57.38 | Shefki | But that's not what Recount is using. |
| 21:58.15 | Shefki | I'm pretty sure recount is trying to only calculate time spent casting. |
| 21:58.25 | Xinhuan | one thing i want to ask though |
| 21:58.29 | Shefki | Which would be great except for instantts. |
| 21:58.31 | Shefki | instants* |
| 21:58.37 | Xinhuan | if a pet enters combat, do you always enter combat with it ? |
| 21:58.51 | Shefki | Pretty sure you do. |
| 21:58.54 | Elsia | I recommend to anyone to read gello's post on DPS... seriously. And there is no way an addon author can ever make anybody looking at HPS/DPS stats happy because there is no normative way to do it |
| 21:59.06 | Xinhuan | are you sure? what if that pet is attacked by a player |
| 21:59.12 | Xinhuan | does owner get into combat? |
| 21:59.46 | Repo | 10grid: 03Pastamancer * r1167 GridRoster.lua: |
| 21:59.49 | Repo | GridRoster:GetGUIDByName knows what realm you're on, so trying to call GetGUIDByName("Someone", "Your Realm") works the same as GetGUIDByName("Someone") |
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| 22:00.55 | Mech0z | anyone know a reputation mod that just adds data to the reputation tab and shows how much is gained with each faction? |
| 22:03.05 | Shefki | Elsia: If you mean this post http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7015146785&sid=1 |
| 22:03.49 | Shefki | Elsia: There's nothing in there that I don't understand. My point is if you can't accurately calculate casting time for all classes then you shouldn't use that as the time spent factor. |
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| 22:04.22 | Elsia | Shefki: yep that's the one, there is also another one where he disects in detail other aspects |
| 22:04.51 | Elsia | Shefki: if it was just me I'd completely remove DPS/HPS from recount, but that would not decrease the whining. |
| 22:04.55 | Shefki | GCD is perfectly reasonable for instants... But there's just no way to now everyones GCD for every cast. |
| 22:05.12 | Primer | What's the hit cap for locks, in percentage? |
| 22:05.14 | Shefki | Elsia: I'm not intending to be whining. |
| 22:05.40 | Elsia | gello gives the answer: DPS is a weak measure, same goes for HPS, xin is right that HPS is an even weaker measure |
| 22:05.43 | Shefki | It just bugs me that the numbers aren't internally consistent between each other. |
| 22:06.02 | Elsia | so I get earfulls for pages how DPS and HPS should be higher for class X and lower for class Y and it's not fixable. |
| 22:06.22 | Elsia | you don't know how much feedback I get on a topic that can never be closed. |
| 22:06.24 | Mokhtar | Any AceGUI-3.0 guru around ? Is there a way I can add a child after one of his siblings rather than at the end of the children table ? |
| 22:07.06 | Mokhtar | Doesn't seem to be any AddChildAfter() :x |
| 22:08.01 | Elsia | I can think of 20 different ways of implementing HPS/DPS, each one will get me another group to complain. Each one is about equally not very meaningful |
| 22:08.17 | Elsia | hence I do not touch the HPS/DPS formula, because it's a waste of my time. |
| 22:08.45 | Elsia | that's essentially what gello tries to say. |
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| 22:09.06 | [dRaCo] | doesn't matter anyway as long as everybody is measured by the same method |
| 22:09.14 | Shefki | Elsia: I'd think the solution would be to capture the data to calculate it several ways and let people choose which method to use. Even changing the method on already captured data. |
| 22:09.28 | Shefki | Different methods make more or less sense depending on what you're trying to do with the data. |
| 22:09.34 | Elsia | gello tried, that. Until he quit recap because the whining didn't stop :P |
| 22:09.40 | Elsia | recap has multiple DPS formulas... |
| 22:09.51 | Elsia | which one is "accurate"? |
| 22:10.07 | cncfanatics | neither ^^ |
| 22:10.10 | Elsia | then people complain that they cannot compare DPS because one reports numbers using a formula he looks good in |
| 22:10.28 | Elsia | the problem is social and psychological, not a problem of formula |
| 22:11.23 | Elsia | and trust me, if there was a way to have the DPS/HPS topic go away, I'd go there in a second. I'm darn sick of the topic. |
| 22:12.25 | Bruners | what is DTPS? |
| 22:12.40 | Elsia | damage taken per second |
| 22:12.50 | Bruners | aha |
| 22:13.01 | Camci | is there a broker bag addon cuz i cant seem to find one, and no i dont wanna use fubar one |
| 22:14.48 | cncfanatics | Camci: and why is that ? the fubar one shows up on broker anyhow >.> |
| 22:15.26 | Bruners | Camci: just make one. http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetContainerNumSlots http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetContainerNumFreeSlots |
| 22:16.58 | Bruners | @project broker_bags |
| 22:16.59 | Repo | Bruners: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/broker_bags/. Broker_Bags. Game: WoW. Quaiche (Manager/Author). Updated: 46 days ago |
| 22:18.10 | Camci | ty |
| 22:18.21 | Shefki | Elsia: People want different things from the number. Obviously you'll never make people happy with just one method. I understand the complaints about multiple methods... But that's already an issue. Every addon, log parser, etc... does it a little different. People can already pick to share the number from whichever one makes them look best. |
| 22:18.52 | Primer | Does anyone know what the hit cap is for raiding warlocks, in percentage? |
| 22:20.02 | Elsia | I don't intend to ever add multiple DPS formulas to Recount. It's bad enough as it is. Having multiple formulas sounds swell, but it will make things worse. |
| 22:20.12 | Elsia | But I udnerstand where the problem comes from. |
| 22:20.15 | Bruners | Primer: http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t37780-spell_hit_discussion/ |
| 22:20.28 | Elsia | what does a raid leader say when he wants people to go all out? "more dps" |
| 22:20.30 | Primer | Bruners: thanks |
| 22:20.44 | Elsia | people talk about how "their dps sucks" "my dps is low" etc etc |
| 22:20.52 | Elsia | DPS has a huge part in people's perception of the game |
| 22:20.57 | Primer | jeez, 17%? |
| 22:21.06 | Elsia | and happens to be an incredibly bad measure for it when one understands the matter |
| 22:21.10 | sacarasc | My DPS sucks, it's only 104920 |
| 22:21.16 | Elsia | so huge psychological investment into something rather inaccurate |
| 22:22.18 | Elsia | if people said "more damage" things would be different, but one addon author won't be able to change the psyche, no matter what or how many formulas. All of them are inaccurate and adding more options of a weak inaccurate measure is not going to make it better. |
| 22:22.41 | cncfanatics | meh, I'll start saying more damage then ^^ |
| 22:22.46 | Elsia | hehe |
| 22:23.28 | Mokhtar | Personally I never look at my DPS, I look at total dmg done, much better metric on a given fight to compare people who had the same job |
| 22:24.00 | Elsia | for healer comparison I actually tend to look at dispels, gives you a good sense for situational awareness and reaction time |
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| 22:24.07 | Primer | except people always go back to dps |
| 22:24.17 | Primer | which is gay |
| 22:24.18 | Elsia | dps won't ever go away |
| 22:24.32 | Elsia | it's mostly sucky for people who write combat log analysis tools :D |
| 22:24.50 | Shefki | Elsia: To a point. That only works on fights where that healer has something they can dispel. |
| 22:24.56 | Primer | boss fight lasted 2 minutes, we were both alive 100% of the time, I did 1m damage, you did 750k damage, yet, you have more dps...go figure |
| 22:25.02 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil 04Release v1.2.1 * r23 : Tagging as Release v1.2.1 |
| 22:25.10 | Primer | math hard |
| 22:25.13 | Shefki | Elsia: But I'd agree, a healer over the course of a night with a fair hunk of dispells and good effective healing is doing a good job. |
| 22:25.32 | Elsia | true, but really if you want to learn something you have to take in a lot of information over long periods of time. if you have 2 druids on raid healing and one cleanses a whole lot more than the other you learned something |
| 22:25.43 | Elsia | but no one or even many numbers will give you the full picture |
| 22:26.05 | Bruners | Elsia: dont get me wrong, but isnt dps just dammage done / time spent ? |
| 22:26.05 | Elsia | recounts gives you a lot of numbers to gauge a healer |
| 22:26.14 | Elsia | hps is the worst of all these numbers ;) |
| 22:26.26 | Elsia | Bruners: define "time spent" |
| 22:26.41 | Elsia | let me give you a fun example re instants |
| 22:26.52 | Elsia | I can think of 3 formulas to calculate DPS for one instant cast |
| 22:26.59 | Primer | time spent == total time on boss |
| 22:27.13 | Shefki | Elsia: *shrug* I guess it just bugs the crap out of me that I can do like double the effective healing in a night of the person below me and a lot of the time they'll still have more hps than me. |
| 22:27.19 | Elsia | one is 1 sec, the other is GCD and the third is 0. All three are "right" in some sense, none is wrong. |
| 22:27.28 | Primer | combat end time - combat start time == time spent |
| 22:27.31 | Primer | simple |
| 22:27.35 | Primer | fuck the mages |
| 22:27.41 | Elsia | Shefki: you a druid? |
| 22:27.46 | Shefki | Yup |
| 22:27.58 | Elsia | hots are your issue, not instants |
| 22:28.28 | Shefki | Why's that? Because you count the time based on when the hots tick too? |
| 22:28.41 | Elsia | how would you account for hots? |
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| 22:28.48 | Elsia | or dots for that matter |
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| 22:29.51 | Repo | - Stopped displaying the price line "A: ?? - ?? = ??" when auctioneer is not available. |
| 22:29.51 | Repo | - Fixed the error that appears when vendor prices are enaled but auctioneer is not. |
| 22:29.51 | Repo | 10repheaderremember: 03stencil * r12 / (2 files in 1 directory): Release v1.2 |
| 22:29.51 | fauxpas``` | hey, some addon (i guess) keeps playing that incredibly annoying bell sound and i don't know which one .. is there a way to find out? |
| 22:29.51 | Repo | It appears that sometimes reputation gains for a faction in a collapsed group will cause that group to expand. This checkin changes the code so that we'll enforce the saved collapsed/expanded states every time the pane is opened rather than just the first. |
| 22:29.51 | Elsia | should a paladin doing 2k damage with an instant have the same DPS as a lock doing 2k damage over 15 seconds ticking dot? |
| 22:29.51 | Primer | yay! tradeskill! |
| 22:29.51 | Anaral | fauxpas```: Guess and test. |
| 22:29.51 | sacarasc | If the paladin does nothing else for 15 seconds, yes |
| 22:29.51 | Primer | if it fits total damage / time spent, yes |
| 22:29.55 | Anaral | fauxpas```: When does it sound? |
| 22:29.58 | sacarasc | If they're in combat, that is... |
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| 22:30.19 | fauxpas``` | well, that's the problem |
| 22:30.24 | fauxpas``` | it's really random |
| 22:30.45 | Elsia | but I'm just trying to explain why HOTs have a time component to them |
| 22:30.56 | Elsia | and why the very pattern how healing is applied impacts DPS numbers |
| 22:31.01 | Elsia | or damage* |
| 22:31.10 | Shefki | Elsia: I'd think over the course of a battle or a night that stuff should even out. |
| 22:31.10 | Anaral | fauxpas```: Then guess and test, if after going through all your addons options you haven't found a sound option to turn off, then just start disabling addons until you find it. |
| 22:31.14 | Repo | 10repheaderremember: 03stencil 04Release v1.2 * r13 : Tagging as Release v1.2 |
| 22:31.16 | fauxpas``` | there was no sound for like a minute and all of a sudden there was |
| 22:31.17 | Elsia | if it didn't it would just be the same as healing done or damage done |
| 22:31.20 | fauxpas``` | i wasn't in combat |
| 22:31.24 | fauxpas``` | didnt loot anything |
| 22:31.28 | fauxpas``` | no cooldown came up |
| 22:31.29 | fauxpas``` | :\ |
| 22:31.38 | Elsia | Shefki: are classes balanced around HPS by some measure of HPS? why should they even out? |
| 22:31.58 | Elsia | in fact GC recently said that they are not ;) |
| 22:32.13 | Elsia | well not literally but he posted extensively as to the meaning of recount :D |
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| 22:32.27 | Shefki | I know I saw that. |
| 22:32.29 | Primer | does recount show a 'time spent' anywhere? |
| 22:32.47 | Primer | it'd be interesting to see that stat for overall |
| 22:32.47 | Elsia | not really |
| 22:33.09 | Shefki | But really what he was telling people was to stop focusing on only one number in Recount more than saying that Recount is useless. |
| 22:33.19 | Primer | like, at the end of a raid, find out why the mage has 4k dps, but 80% of the lock's damage done |
| 22:33.40 | Elsia | I didn't say recount was useless, and I actually agree with GC. He said that even looking at all numbers in recount you will not get the full picture |
| 22:33.45 | Elsia | he is right |
| 22:33.54 | Bruners | mages got more burst dammage, thus gives you higher dammage per second |
| 22:34.02 | fauxpas``` | heh, looks like it was carbonite |
| 22:34.08 | fauxpas``` | i hate that addon so much |
| 22:34.16 | fauxpas``` | but i still gotta finish zuldra and icecrown :( |
| 22:34.25 | Primer | how do wws type addons determine presence percentage then? |
| 22:34.35 | Elsia | unknown |
| 22:34.37 | Primer | when everyone lives |
| 22:34.42 | Repo | 10engulf: 03durcyn 07master * 1.1-beta2-2-gcb80949 Engulf.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 22:34.42 | Shefki | Elsia: Of course not. There's no perfect measurement tool. |
| 22:34.43 | Elsia | they don't publish their inner formulas |
| 22:34.45 | Repo | cb80949: calling UnitGUID on a guid string is bad, mmmkay. |
| 22:34.47 | Primer | and one person has 95% |
| 22:34.48 | Repo | 32ddd4c: fix string.sub reference |
| 22:34.52 | cncfanatics | which is lame, I might add |
| 22:35.01 | cncfanatics | the presence number doesn't mean crap if we don't know the formula for it |
| 22:35.07 | cncfanatics | I personaly just ignore it |
| 22:35.20 | Shefki | WWS presence is pretty much from first action on mob - your death. |
| 22:35.33 | Shefki | They don't publish the numbers but it's pretty easy to prove that's how they figure it. |
| 22:35.42 | Shefki | Because I've done the calculations by hand before. |
| 22:35.45 | cncfanatics | why do some people have 98 others 100 ? |
| 22:35.50 | Primer | But I've seen presence be something other than 100% on a person who lived |
| 22:35.54 | Bruners | http://wowwebstats.com/jgdev2fdzjub3?m&s=379072-403565 |
| 22:36.03 | Bruners | look at mulvans pres and dps time |
| 22:36.08 | Shefki | cncfanatics: They started later. |
| 22:36.13 | Elsia | I once had 40k DPS as healer, WWS DPS formula is kinda whack too, certainly not using presence time |
| 22:36.20 | Bruners | 97% vs 24% |
| 22:36.32 | Shefki | cncfanatics: It's not the very first action, it's each players first action. |
| 22:36.54 | Shefki | And the fight ends with each players last action for that player, be that death or whatever. |
| 22:37.20 | Shefki | And then the % is based against first action of anyoone in raid to last action of anyone in raid. |
| 22:37.38 | Elsia | that's a funny obsolete topic too. People used to claim that WWS is more accurate than recount, but in fact WWS used to have less information than recount to make judgements for healing specifically and used averages to estimate things, hence was actually less accurate. It overestimated, so noone cared. |
| 22:37.41 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v1.2.4 * r251 : Tagging as v1.2.4 |
| 22:37.44 | Repo | Minor bugfixes: |
| 22:37.47 | Repo | - Stopped displaying the price line "A: ?? - ?? = ??" when auctioneer is not available. |
| 22:37.50 | Repo | - Fixed the error that appears when vendor prices are enabled but auctioneer is not. |
| 22:38.27 | Elsia | with overhealing being available that got much better |
| 22:38.32 | Shefki | Elsia: WWS has always been crap. |
| 22:39.09 | Elsia | WWS is fine for what it does |
| 22:39.28 | Elsia | it's good for what you can extract offline, very good I'd say on average. |
| 22:39.39 | Shefki | Recount has gotten drastically better, some because of your work, some because of changes Blizzard made to make it easier for you. |
| 22:40.09 | Elsia | there are lots of good damage meters out there, recap is fine, violation is fine, really depending on what people want. |
| 22:40.53 | Shefki | At this point I'd classify WWS as useless because it's not maintained. |
| 22:41.06 | Elsia | combat log analysis is only ever as good as the combat log and it isn't perfect |
| 22:41.27 | Shefki | Elsia: I think people think WWS is better becuase combat log = made by blizzard. |
| 22:42.00 | Elsia | possibly, it's mostly an example of how psychology and facts mix in this area |
| 22:42.16 | Elsia | I actually don't think WWS and recount compete in any way |
| 22:42.28 | Shefki | I'd say they're complimentary. |
| 22:43.21 | Shefki | But I still don't think WWS is very good. I've found stuff too many times that's just flat out wrong. |
| 22:43.58 | Speeddymon | sigh |
| 22:44.42 | Speeddymon | svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/postman/mainline/trunk is listed as the repo for postman on the wowace site but its not working, says the repo doesnt exist.. |
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| 22:45.15 | Speeddymon | sigh |
| 22:45.15 | Speeddymon | svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/postman/mainline/trunk is listed as the repo for postman on the wowace site but its not working, says the repo doesnt exist.. |
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| 22:47.18 | Speeddymon | anyone? |
| 22:48.00 | Speeddymon | vhaarr, nevcairiel, MoonWolf, Kaelten, ckknight? need help.. svn being stupid again |
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| 22:48.37 | ckknight | Speeddymon: what's up? |
| 22:48.37 | Bruners | works fine here? but its empty |
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| 22:55.31 | tlund | how do i open the configuration window for an Ace3-addon? |
| 22:55.47 | tlund | I cant figure out how to configure FuBar_WhoRollFu :( |
| 22:56.43 | vhaarr | tlund: I dunno what whorollfu does, but sounds like my FuBar_GroupFu can be a reasonable replacement |
| 22:58.05 | Bruners | tlund: push escape, go to interface and addons. look there for it |
| 22:59.29 | Bruners | tlund: or you could try /script InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory("FuBar_WhoRollFu") |
| 23:01.36 | tlund | vhaarr: it shows who has rolled what on different items. soo you can decide if you should need or greed. |
| 23:01.49 | vhaarr | ah okay, then it's not a replacement |
| 23:01.50 | tlund | Bruners: its not in the interface-menu, ofc. ill try the script :) |
| 23:02.43 | tlund | did not work :( |
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| 23:03.36 | tlund | local AceConfigDialog = LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0") |
| 23:03.41 | tlund | from one of the files in the addon |
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| 23:06.09 | Bruners | tlund: try /script WhoRollFu:InitOptions() |
| 23:07.13 | tlund | Bruners: nothing happens :( |
| 23:07.44 | Bruners | tlund: then do /script InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory("FuBar_WhoRollFu") |
| 23:08.05 | Elsia | is there an easy way to calculate armor penetration vs AP for a retri pala? |
| 23:08.50 | tlund | Bruners: no go. :( also, my bugsack has suddenly gone missing, have to figure out what has happened :) |
| 23:10.27 | Bruners | tlund: getting that sorted would be a start |
| 23:10.33 | tlund | indeed. :) |
| 23:11.08 | taleden | so, what happens if you create an LDB launcher but the user doesn't have any display addons installed? |
| 23:11.18 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 23:11.19 | Bruners | nothing |
| 23:11.41 | Bruners | unless you use lDBIcon |
| 23:11.54 | taleden | can someone suggest a really simple addon that'll show LDB launchers as minimap icons or something? just so I can test? |
| 23:12.03 | taleden | is that what LibDBIcon does? |
| 23:12.05 | Megalon | Elsia: ArPen is pretty lackluster for retri |
| 23:12.13 | Megalon | because so much of your damage is just holy |
| 23:12.16 | vhaarr | taleden: yes it is |
| 23:12.31 | Elsia | Megalon: thanks |
| 23:12.32 | vhaarr | taleden: and Barrel does that as well for addons that do not ship LibDBIcon |
| 23:13.21 | taleden | should I ship LibDBIcon? I keep being tempted to provide a (configurable, disable-able) minimap button, since I feel like so many people are used to looking there first for new addons to configure, but it seemed like the point of LDB was getting rid of those |
| 23:13.41 | taleden | so now I feel like I should just stop at the launcher and let it go unused if the user doesn't have any displays |
| 23:14.09 | tlund | GAH. the curse downloader has installed version "r169-nolib" of BugSack, thats why it fails to start :) |
| 23:14.13 | Bruners | taleden: if you have options added to the blizz config there no point |
| 23:15.03 | taleden | so you'd suggest ditching the LDB launcher too? |
| 23:15.14 | taleden | my blizz options are just one checkbox to disable the whole addon, and a button to launch the aceconfigdialog window |
| 23:15.20 | taleden | which looks oh so much nicer than the un-sizable blizz window |
| 23:16.01 | vhaarr | taleden: well that's what LibDBIcon is for |
| 23:16.11 | vhaarr | (" I keep being tempted to provide a (configurable, disable-able) minimap button") |
| 23:16.46 | tlund | OK! with Bugsack working again i see that FuBar_WhoRollFu failes to start because of some GetLocale problem, "No locales registered for 'LootRoll'" |
| 23:17.05 | tlund | any chance anyone of you would like to have a look at it, and tell me what it might do wrong? :) |
| 23:17.14 | Repo | 10squire: 03Adirelle * r69 Core.lua: |
| 23:17.14 | Jaxon | WHich locale are you using? |
| 23:17.16 | Repo | Do not try to find the 'Ghost Wolf' stance number as GetNumShapeshiftForms returns 0 for Shamans. |
| 23:17.22 | Jaxon | Go into that locale file and add an entry for LootRoll |
| 23:17.37 | tlund | local L = AceLocale:NewLocale("LootRoll", "enUS", true) |
| 23:17.44 | tlund | i guess i need to change that since i am in .eu :) |
| 23:17.52 | Jaxon | I have no idea. |
| 23:17.57 | Jaxon | Honestly, the advice I just gave you is my best guess. |
| 23:18.26 | Bruners | tlund: do /print GetLocale() |
| 23:18.44 | tlund | ah, no, mine says "enUS" |
| 23:19.07 | tlund | Jaxon: but, as i pasted, it already has an entry for LootRoll? |
| 23:19.20 | winkiller | why do they name it enUS anyway |
| 23:19.27 | Jaxon | English US |
| 23:19.29 | winkiller | if the european english client is also enUS |
| 23:19.38 | winkiller | it's not enGB |
| 23:19.41 | tlund | outside of the client, for patches and such, its enGB |
| 23:19.42 | Jaxon | Because that is a standard among locale naming |
| 23:19.57 | winkiller | see @tlund |
| 23:20.00 | Pneumatus | yeh, GetLocale() on the enGB client returns enUS |
| 23:20.02 | winkiller | patches *are* enGB |
| 23:20.08 | winkiller | it does not make sense |
| 23:20.28 | End | keep in mind, EU client points at different servers |
| 23:20.39 | winkiller | doesnt matter |
| 23:20.44 | Arrowmaster | there is no enGB locale for wow |
| 23:20.47 | End | even if the localization (might) be the same |
| 23:20.47 | winkiller | it's deDE frFR and enUS in Locale |
| 23:20.48 | Pneumatus | the enGB patches are always bigger than enUS also |
| 23:20.51 | ckknight | _G.LOCALE_enGB = true for enGB |
| 23:20.57 | ckknight | but GetLocale() returns enUS |
| 23:21.04 | ckknight | err, "enUS" |
| 23:21.25 | Arrowmaster | enGB patches are bigger because they include deDE frFR esES locales too |
| 23:21.58 | Pneumatus | deDE/frFR/esES patches are separate |
| 23:22.05 | Arrowmaster | no they are not |
| 23:22.17 | Arrowmaster | they all include the same thing |
| 23:22.42 | winkiller | but there |
| 23:22.43 | Bruners | its a reason why deDE, frFR and esES can play on enGB servers |
| 23:22.48 | winkiller | *is* a deDE patch |
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| 23:22.59 | Arrowmaster | yes there is but its no different from the enGB one |
| 23:23.05 | winkiller | o_O |
| 23:23.13 | winkiller | why am I downloading em double then |
| 23:23.14 | winkiller | ffs |
| 23:23.22 | winkiller | will check next time |
| 23:23.26 | Arrowmaster | because if you have any locale packs installed they must all be updated with the same patch |
| 23:23.36 | Arrowmaster | why are you downloading double? |
| 23:23.38 | tlund | anyways, if anyone wants to have a look at why FuBar_WhoRollFu thinks there is no locale "LootRoll" registered, i would become a very happy tlund :) |
| 23:23.48 | winkiller | I have a vanilla deDE client |
| 23:23.56 | winkiller | and my normal enGB for playing |
| 23:23.56 | Arrowmaster | @project fubar_whorollfu |
| 23:23.58 | Repo | Arrowmaster: No project found that matches 'fubar_whorollfu' |
| 23:24.01 | winkiller | and a second enGB for testing |
| 23:24.05 | winkiller | 3 wow folders |
| 23:24.11 | Arrowmaster | @project fu-bar_who-roll-fu |
| 23:24.13 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-14040/. FuBar_WhoRollFu. Game: WoW. profalbert (Manager/Author). Updated: 119 days ago |
| 23:24.18 | Arrowmaster | dead addon |
| 23:24.19 | winkiller | Idon't like the locale packs |
| 23:24.30 | tlund | Arrowmaster: yes, but it should still work :) |
| 23:24.47 | Pneumatus | teksLoot shows me that |
| 23:24.50 | Arrowmaster | no it shouldnt |
| 23:24.50 | tlund | Arrowmaster: the call that fails is related to Ace3 |
| 23:24.54 | Arrowmaster | its for 2.4.3 |
| 23:25.03 | Arrowmaster | dead addon |
| 23:25.37 | Repo | 10libsimpleoptions-1-0: 03ckknight * r43 LibSimpleOptions-1.0.lua: |
| 23:25.39 | Repo | Make makePanel return the panel, thus making LibSimpleOptions.AddOptionsPanel properly return the panel |
| 23:25.52 | tlund | Arrowmaster: that didnt really answer my question. :( |
| 23:26.20 | Arrowmaster | its for 2.4.3, you should not even have it installed |
| 23:26.34 | tlund | uuh |
| 23:26.35 | winkiller | possessions still runs fine |
| 23:26.41 | tlund | thats just .. stupid. |
| 23:26.43 | winkiller | 9months no update |
| 23:26.56 | tlund | just because an addon has not been updated doesnt mean it doesnt work |
| 23:27.13 | haste | I have add-ons with 13 months + |
| 23:27.17 | haste | that still work :p |
| 23:27.18 | tlund | i still use some addons i wrote back in 1.0, they work fine without changes. |
| 23:27.24 | Arrowmaster | if you want to try and use an addon for wow 2.x its your problem, i and most people wont help |
| 23:27.26 | tlund | well, 1.x |
| 23:27.52 | tlund | Arrowmaster: if you are not interested in helping, saying "dead addon, dont use it" is not really productive. |
| 23:28.12 | Bruners | he is just stating the facts |
| 23:28.15 | tlund | i would love to update it for 3.0, but i need help understanding why the ace locale-call would fail |
| 23:28.18 | Arrowmaster | its a dead addon, nobody is going to fix it |
| 23:28.27 | Arrowmaster | because the locale doesnt exist |
| 23:28.45 | Arrowmaster | the localization i mean |
| 23:28.50 | tlund | Arrowmaster: local L = AceLocale:NewLocale("LootRoll", "enUS", true) is the wrong way to create the locale in Ace3? |
| 23:28.56 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:29.10 | Arrowmaster | the localization for whatever is erroring doesnt exist |
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| 23:29.35 | tlund | the call that fails is local L = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"):GetLocale("LootRoll") |
| 23:30.04 | Arrowmaster | because that localazation is never created |
| 23:30.09 | tlund | and i dont understand how that could change between 2.x and 3.x, since its related to the Ace3-API and not the wow-API. |
| 23:30.19 | tlund | Arrowmaster: *sigh* |
| 23:30.29 | Arrowmaster | its not anything at all wrong with ace3 |
| 23:30.32 | Arrowmaster | its the addon |
| 23:30.58 | tlund | do you think this addon would have worked in 2.x? |
| 23:31.05 | tlund | the failure is because of a change in the wow api? |
| 23:31.17 | Arrowmaster | no the failure is because the addon is just broken |
| 23:31.46 | tlund | good. then i can fix it. if there is a reference somewhere as to how i do the localization stuff with libace and AceLocale |
| 23:32.10 | tlund | i have never coded anything that uses ace |
| 23:32.16 | Arrowmaster | edit the toc |
| 23:32.39 | Arrowmaster | change 'Locals\enUS.lua' to 'Locales\enUS.lua' |
| 23:32.46 | Greltok | ^ |
| 23:33.00 | Greltok | lol. Just about to say that. |
| 23:33.03 | tlund | hahahahahaha |
| 23:33.07 | tlund | DUUUUUH! :( |
| 23:33.07 | Greltok | Arrow is faster, as usual. |
| 23:33.09 | Repo | 10libsimpleoptions-1-0: 03ckknight 04WoW-3.0-release-3 * r44 : Tagging as WoW-3.0-release-3 |
| 23:33.21 | Arrowmaster | and other things are just fucking wrong with that addon too |
| 23:33.22 | tlund | Arrowmaster: thank you, that sounds like it would do the trick ;( |
| 23:33.53 | tlund | Arrowmaster: do you have any ideas for a replacement? I want to use this to see who rolls need and greed before i decide how i should roll. |
| 23:33.53 | Arrowmaster | like it uses LibFuBarPlugin-Mod-3.0 |
| 23:34.06 | Arrowmaster | theres lots of other addons that do that afaik |
| 23:34.44 | taleden | do you folks maintain your projects on any sites besides wowace/curse and wowinterface? |
| 23:34.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:34.58 | tlund | i fail to find one searching in the curse client, its a bit hard when you dont know what hte name is :( |
| 23:35.15 | tlund | "need", "greed", "loot" and "roll" didnt find anything else |
| 23:35.29 | Arrowmaster | some people post to inctrogans |
| 23:36.37 | taleden | that might be the first vaguely pronouncable string i've seen which produces not a single google hit |
| 23:36.54 | Arrowmaster | what? inctrogans? |
| 23:36.54 | Mokhtar | Quick question : Is it possible to use AceHook:Hook so my hook is executed after the original or do I have to call RawHook() ? |
| 23:37.13 | tlund | Arrowmaster: yes, what is inctrogans? |
| 23:37.14 | Arrowmaster | Mokhtar: Hook is a post hook afaik |
| 23:37.19 | Arrowmaster | tlund: incgamers |
| 23:37.23 | tlund | aaaaah |
| 23:37.46 | Mokhtar | according to Nevcairiel it's not |
| 23:37.49 | Mokhtar | The new :Hook is a "safe" pre-hook, that will call your function first, then the original function (or another hook) - so you do not need to call the hooked function at all (or you get double results). |
| 23:38.06 | Mokhtar | and my test seem to concurr |
| 23:38.13 | Mokhtar | *confirm |
| 23:38.26 | Mokhtar | (Is concurr english ? :p ) |
| 23:39.51 | winkiller | concur :P |
| 23:40.33 | Mokhtar | raah rawhook doesn't work either :x |
| 23:40.41 | tlund | Arrowmaster: after fixing the path in the .toc, and then acutally copying in the lib it was using, the addon now correctly loads. |
| 23:40.49 | tlund | Arrowmaster: thanks for helping out :) |
| 23:41.04 | Arrowmaster | where did you find the lib it was using? |
| 23:41.07 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt exist |
| 23:41.14 | Mokhtar | on second thoughts I hadn't rawhooked the right function *die* |
| 23:41.30 | tlund | i downloaded the latest SVN-version from the ace website. i guess it went missing when i moved over to git |
| 23:41.41 | tlund | Arrowmaster: see http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-14040/files/ |
| 23:42.01 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt be using that lib in the first place |
| 23:42.13 | Arrowmaster | nothing should |
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| 23:42.37 | tlund | Arrowmaster: well, that might be, i have no idea, and sorry, but it does feel a bit like you are yelling at ME becase the author of that addon did something wrong :) |
| 23:43.00 | Arrowmaster | no im yelling at you for trying to use an old outdated abandoned addon |
| 23:43.23 | tlund | as soon as i find a replacement, i will switch, trust me :) |
| 23:45.15 | tlund | the fact that you cant search for "roll" and get all hits returned on curse doesnt really help me :( |
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| 23:45.40 | CrazyBenny | tlund: try teksLoot, thats pretty good replacement |
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| 23:45.57 | Mokhtar | OK SecureHook is the post hook, I really wish there was a doc for AceHook :x |
| 23:46.08 | tlund | CrazyBenny: ok, ill have a look at it, thanks for the suggestion! |
| 23:47.16 | tlund | damnit, no screenshots :) |
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