| 00:03.33 | ckknight | If you want to build a ship, donât drum up people to collect wood and donât assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea. ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery |
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| 00:12.26 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * f844865 Modules/ (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 00:12.29 | Repo | f844865: No longer assume .unit is set on all frames and remove some unneeded |
| 00:12.32 | Repo | bdd84dc: Remove unnecessary variable. |
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| 00:14.21 | waallen | Any willing person that wants to fix ClassTimer around? :D (it's displaying everyone's debuff instead of only your own on PTR) |
| 00:14.36 | Shefki | waallen: See my post on the UI and Macros forums. |
| 00:14.46 | waallen | Shefki: on my way |
| 00:14.48 | Shefki | There's an explanation how to fix any Aura addon. |
| 00:14.54 | Megalon | Shefki: bug with unitaura? |
| 00:14.57 | Megalon | oh fixable, nice :> |
| 00:15.00 | Shefki | No |
| 00:15.04 | Shefki | Changed return. |
| 00:15.19 | Shefki | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443405133&sid=1&pageNo=5#90 |
| 00:15.20 | Megalon | because i encountered the same with an EBB group that displays only my stuff |
| 00:15.27 | Shefki | Instructions there how to fix any of those sorts of modules. |
| 00:15.30 | Megalon | thanks for the link :) |
| 00:15.56 | Stanzilla | woot |
| 00:16.01 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03StingerSoft * r215 RatingBuster-Locale-ruRU.lua: - ruRU update |
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| 00:16.43 | Shefki | That's applicable if the addon is using UnitBuff or UnitDebuff too... |
| 00:17.31 | waallen | let's see if I did it right |
| 00:17.40 | thul | http://www.dothaneagle.com/ |
| 00:18.36 | Shefki | Got tired of people asking me to fix ____ aura addon... So decided to teaach the world to fish. |
| 00:19.20 | waallen | of course not :-D. |
| 00:21.24 | Shefki | waallen: That help? |
| 00:21.55 | waallen | I am not getting any bar being displayed for debuffs now - and I am not getting any lua error |
| 00:22.20 | Shefki | Can you pastey what you changed? |
| 00:22.25 | Shefki | I'll look at it real quick. |
| 00:22.26 | waallen | sure |
| 00:23.17 | waallen | http://pastey.net/109904 |
| 00:23.41 | waallen | There is a local isMine = my_units[caster] after what I pasted, I forgot to select it |
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| 00:23.56 | Shefki | Where's the rest of the UnitAura or whatever line. |
| 00:24.00 | Shefki | All I've got is: |
| 00:24.07 | Shefki | local name, _, texture, count, debuffType, duration, endTime |
| 00:25.24 | waallen | http://pastey.net/109904 how does that look? |
| 00:25.46 | Shefki | Still like something is missing. |
| 00:25.56 | waallen | the original line is: local name, _, texture, count, debuffType, duration, endTime, isMine = UnitDebuff(unit, i) |
| 00:26.20 | Shefki | Did you change the isMine = UnitDebuff to caster = UnitDebuff |
| 00:27.00 | Shefki | And my_units should be placed outside the function just within the file. |
| 00:27.06 | Shefki | No need to define it every time around. |
| 00:27.16 | waallen | no, I didn't; I now did and it works |
| 00:27.23 | waallen | thanks a lot |
| 00:27.26 | waallen | ok, I am going to change that |
| 00:27.45 | Shefki | The my_units table is just there to provide a quick case statement basically. |
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| 00:28.40 | Stanzilla | waallen: will you commit that to classtimer with an is3.1 check? |
| 00:28.40 | Shefki | local wow_310 = select(4,GetBuildInfo()) >= 30100 |
| 00:28.43 | Shefki | ^ How to detect 3.1.0 |
| 00:29.32 | Shefki | Put the wow_310 and my_units stuff towards the top of the file basically. |
| 00:29.47 | Shefki | Then take the old line and duplicate it... |
| 00:29.49 | Shefki | if wrath_310 then |
| 00:30.00 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.02 | Shefki | else |
| 00:30.04 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.06 | Shefki | end |
| 00:31.16 | Shefki | Ohh and you'll need to shove this above the if statement: |
| 00:31.29 | waallen | the if statement is in the function, right? |
| 00:31.30 | Shefki | local name, texture, count,debuffType, duration, endTime, isMine, caster |
| 00:31.38 | Shefki | And remove the local in front of the variable names inside the if and else. |
| 00:31.41 | Shefki | Right. |
| 00:34.44 | Shefki | http://pastey.net/109905 |
| 00:34.47 | Shefki | ^ Like so |
| 00:35.17 | Shefki | Fair warning. I'm not sure you should include the my_units bit if you commit that into an addon. |
| 00:35.21 | waallen | I can't log back in at the moment to see if it works, it crashed with a netcode.cpp message as soon as I added local wow_310 = select(4,GetBuildInfo()) >= 30100 at the top of the file |
| 00:35.55 | Shefki | It's a feature addition and some people probably would want to configure which units it considers theirs. |
| 00:36.06 | waallen | ok |
| 00:36.24 | Shefki | In which case isMine = my_units[caster] can just become: |
| 00:36.34 | Shefki | isMine = caster == "player" |
| 00:36.52 | Shefki | actually probably should be: isMine = caster and caster == "player" |
| 00:37.19 | waallen | I'll do that rathern than using the my_units solution then |
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| 00:39.17 | waallen | thanks for the help though, I'll just wait for my character to time out completely which seems to take several minutes |
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| 00:46.11 | waallen | oh, I think it's local wrath_310 = select(4,GetBuildInfo()) >= 30100, local wow_310 makes it crash |
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| 00:48.54 | Shefki | Should just be local wow_310 = select(4,GetBuildInfo()) >= 30100 |
| 00:49.03 | Shefki | No idea where you got the , local wow_310 |
| 00:49.17 | Shefki | I may have said wrath_310 since that's what I'm using in PB4 instead of wow_310 |
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| 01:05.39 | Repo | 10vanas-ko-s: 03xilcoy * r375 modules/CommandLineHandler.lua: Added a little better help for chat commands. |
| 01:06.11 | harl | renchap: have you found a way to get Talented to work again? |
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| 01:11.14 | Stanzilla | Shefki: http://pastey.net/109908 like that? |
| 01:11.28 | Stanzilla | (that still shows other people's debuffs) |
| 01:12.46 | Tinyboom | hummm, someone@blizz eu have to learn the time... still 1 hour until shutdown, but Silvermoon has been shut down.... |
| 01:12.54 | Tinyboom | meh... |
| 01:13.49 | Tinyboom | and now they say it's from 02.00, peckers... |
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| 01:14.33 | Neebler | requesting "sort by class" and "sort by group #" in pb4 groups for raids |
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| 01:16.35 | ckknight_ | Neebler: update first before you request a feature. |
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| 01:24.25 | Stanzilla | k, works with isMine = caster and caster == "player" |
| 01:25.18 | harl | wants 3.1 now :( |
| 01:25.37 | sacarasc | doesn't. |
| 01:26.36 | Dark_Elf | how big is 3.1 mb wise anyways? |
| 01:26.37 | harl | thought so |
| 01:27.15 | sacarasc | Yet more vehicles in raids just makes me want to stop raiding. |
| 01:27.45 | harl | vehicles?? |
| 01:28.05 | sacarasc | Ulduar... First boss is a vehicle boss. |
| 01:28.23 | harl | go on |
| 01:28.48 | sacarasc | You fight the boss on vehicles. |
| 01:29.13 | NivFreak | it's the only one |
| 01:29.15 | NivFreak | at least |
| 01:29.15 | harl | yeah. any other.. bosses or whatnot? |
| 01:29.22 | harl | ok |
| 01:29.34 | NivFreak | the thing that sucks is... there's a hard mode =/ |
| 01:30.00 | sacarasc | Lucky for me I go out on Wednesdays and that's the day stuff resets in the EU so I might never have to do him. |
| 01:30.05 | harl | actually, i quite like oculus, but i seem to be the only one, so.. whatever.. |
| 01:30.12 | NivFreak | fucking hate that place |
| 01:30.15 | NivFreak | I hate malygos too |
| 01:30.46 | harl | i've found the fight against malygos to be interesting and refreshing |
| 01:30.52 | sacarasc | high fives NivFreak. |
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| 01:31.12 | harl | compared to all the standard stuff everywhere |
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| 01:32.07 | Gnarfoz | I wonder why so many people complain about vehicles ^^ |
| 01:32.52 | NivFreak | harl: I enjoy my class mechanics, I would like to raid with them |
| 01:32.55 | sacarasc | They change how people play from how they want to. |
| 01:33.19 | Gnarfoz | oh so on Illidan you played how you want to? |
| 01:33.20 | NivFreak | not to mention they are terribly implemented |
| 01:33.33 | harl | to.. what? |
| 01:33.33 | NivFreak | what was wrong with illidan? |
| 01:33.43 | NivFreak | sheer? |
| 01:33.46 | NivFreak | resist tanking? |
| 01:33.48 | NivFreak | lock tanking? |
| 01:33.49 | Gnarfoz | they forced you to play how THEY WANTED |
| 01:33.50 | NivFreak | cake |
| 01:33.57 | NivFreak | all normal class mechanics |
| 01:33.57 | Gnarfoz | same as now |
| 01:34.00 | harl | lol |
| 01:34.08 | Gnarfoz | right, couldn't tank with nether protection |
| 01:34.09 | harl | that's ridiculous.. |
| 01:34.10 | Gnarfoz | quite normal! |
| 01:34.17 | NivFreak | not even CLOSE to the same thing |
| 01:34.19 | Gnarfoz | to name just one oddity |
| 01:34.23 | NivFreak | having to tweak a spec is one thing |
| 01:34.33 | Gnarfoz | you have to have a warlock in the first place |
| 01:34.37 | Gnarfoz | with sr gear |
| 01:34.38 | NivFreak | OMG I HAVE A DIFFERENT ACTION BAR AND MOVE LIKE SHIT |
| 01:34.45 | NivFreak | AND MY ABILITIES MAKE NO AUDIBLE NOISE |
| 01:34.51 | NivFreak | AND I SUDDENLY HAVE A Z-AXIS |
| 01:35.00 | sacarasc | We had a mage tank Illidan on at least 2 occasions. |
| 01:35.04 | SqueeG | I disabled caps lock =D |
| 01:35.08 | NivFreak | we used a enh shaman once |
| 01:35.12 | NivFreak | frost shock fear |
| 01:35.37 | Gnarfoz | your fake screaming just makes it more obvious that you're just randomly annoyed |
| 01:35.38 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:35.38 | NivFreak | I already use a spec that's not ideal for malygos |
| 01:35.42 | NivFreak | I wasn't bitching about that |
| 01:35.52 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: no, you don't get it |
| 01:35.55 | NivFreak | it's not tweaking a spec |
| 01:35.59 | NivFreak | it's not changing gear |
| 01:36.01 | sacarasc | 112112112112 |
| 01:36.04 | sacarasc | Boring. |
| 01:36.06 | harl | reminds me of all the people that can't #%@!ing fly straight and instead press space every few meters. -.- |
| 01:36.07 | NivFreak | it's youre core came mechanics that chance |
| 01:36.09 | NivFreak | change* |
| 01:36.18 | Gnarfoz | indeed, it's like getting a free ride at another class/role/whatever |
| 01:36.20 | SqueeG | Hey hey! |
| 01:36.26 | SqueeG | i do that every now and again |
| 01:36.30 | SqueeG | until i find the right angle |
| 01:36.31 | Gnarfoz | which is good, considering raiding is boring as it is |
| 01:36.55 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r297 ClassTimer.lua: Updated for 3.1 Aura changes, should work on live. |
| 01:36.58 | Repo | <3 Shefki |
| 01:37.00 | Stanzilla | runs |
| 01:37.28 | harl | SqueeG: that's not my point. i do that too, but they do that all the time and when i tell them to use their mouse to change the camera, they tell me that for them it's oh so to hard and complicated to do so. wtf? |
| 01:37.45 | Gnarfoz | yay harl |
| 01:37.53 | Gnarfoz | got like 50% of my raid that is too stupid to clump on malygos :D |
| 01:38.08 | Gnarfoz | flying circles to position themselves |
| 01:38.12 | harl | d'oh |
| 01:38.14 | Gnarfoz | instead of strafing xD |
| 01:38.26 | Gnarfoz | it's like they're driving a car |
| 01:38.29 | Gnarfoz | badly. |
| 01:40.49 | NivFreak | Gnarfoz: I have alts if I want to change my role |
| 01:40.53 | Gnarfoz | great |
| 01:40.55 | Gnarfoz | you might |
| 01:41.06 | Gnarfoz | because you have time to level them, equip them, and raid with them |
| 01:41.12 | Gnarfoz | (obviously) |
| 01:41.28 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather have a non-boring encounter once in a while |
| 01:41.36 | NivFreak | yea, the grueling 3 hours of content in game plays nicely into alt |
| 01:41.36 | NivFreak | s |
| 01:41.44 | NivFreak | there are good encounters |
| 01:41.54 | NivFreak | s3d is a good encounter |
| 01:42.04 | Gnarfoz | s3d is a fucking shitfest of spell animations |
| 01:42.06 | NivFreak | kael'thas was a good encounter |
| 01:42.15 | NivFreak | turn your spell detail down? |
| 01:42.21 | harl | haha |
| 01:42.25 | Gnarfoz | why would I |
| 01:42.27 | Gnarfoz | I don't die |
| 01:42.32 | harl | no really.. |
| 01:42.33 | NivFreak | because spell detail is horrid |
| 01:42.39 | Gnarfoz | spell detail is just fine |
| 01:42.40 | NivFreak | tanking with spell detail on is like raping a disco ball |
| 01:42.51 | Gnarfoz | it's idiotic how many people DO though. |
| 01:42.51 | Stanzilla | sounds fun |
| 01:43.13 | Gnarfoz | if I want to go back to playing tetris I will, until then, wow's crappy graphics stay turned up :p |
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| 01:43.21 | NivFreak | we have the standard set of a few people who fail at void zones, like most guilds, they complain about how hard it is to see them etc etc |
| 01:43.23 | thul | anyone good with air guns? |
| 01:43.24 | NivFreak | it was great |
| 01:43.28 | Gnarfoz | "no sounds" is something they could fix before it goes live, but you're probably too busy joining the whining in PTR trade chat to bother :D |
| 01:43.30 | NivFreak | we brought this mage, 13k, just dinged 80 |
| 01:43.39 | NivFreak | he has never raided in wrath |
| 01:43.42 | NivFreak | he was filler in TBC |
| 01:43.49 | NivFreak | he comes to S3D as his first raid |
| 01:43.51 | Gnarfoz | got Gotta go? |
| 01:43.53 | NivFreak | lives all the way to the end |
| 01:43.57 | NivFreak | gets all teh achievements |
| 01:43.58 | NivFreak | lol |
| 01:44.05 | Gnarfoz | incl. gotta go? :p |
| 01:44.10 | NivFreak | yes |
| 01:44.28 | Gnarfoz | haha. |
| 01:44.31 | NivFreak | I'm pretty sure with 13k health, one would have killed him :P |
| 01:44.45 | Gnarfoz | while shadron or his acolyte were up, for sure, yeah |
| 01:45.11 | NivFreak | I've been enjoying 1-shot s3d-25, now if only we could 1 shot s3d-10 :P |
| 01:45.24 | Gnarfoz | lucky you |
| 01:45.26 | NivFreak | trying to get a couple more people their drakes that have undying |
| 01:45.31 | NivFreak | 31 pulls, no repeat |
| 01:45.32 | NivFreak | =/ |
| 01:45.51 | NivFreak | Lacking JoL == ouch |
| 01:46.10 | Gnarfoz | on what, exactly? oO |
| 01:46.21 | NivFreak | what do you mean? |
| 01:46.26 | Gnarfoz | JoL on what target |
| 01:46.30 | NivFreak | the drakes |
| 01:46.43 | NivFreak | JoL does an insane amount of healing when TT is up |
| 01:46.52 | Gnarfoz | quite probably, yes |
| 01:46.54 | NivFreak | upwards of 50% of the effective healing in our 10man s3d |
| 01:46.59 | Gnarfoz | but someone is going OOM then :D |
| 01:47.09 | NivFreak | nah |
| 01:47.15 | NivFreak | there's soooo much inc dmg |
| 01:47.30 | Gnarfoz | does the TT dmg get healed by the same hit's JoL proc? |
| 01:47.41 | NivFreak | some portion of it sure |
| 01:47.53 | NivFreak | but you're talking about 600-800 dmg out of 3k every 2 seconds |
| 01:48.11 | NivFreak | maybe a double proc if you're lucky |
| 01:48.55 | NivFreak | there's plenty of spiritual attunment to be gained still |
| 01:49.14 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 01:50.03 | Gnarfoz | well I'll probably give it a try, but I doubt it's gonna save our asses ^^ |
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| 01:52.03 | Gnarfoz | it's that crazy asian guy again! :O |
| 01:52.04 | harl | in the end, what really counts it to have fun doing whatever you do. some people seem to have much higher expectations than others, regarding that. |
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| 02:01.28 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs get me that for my birthday plx. kthx :) |
| 02:03.50 | Kilroo | Gracious, broker_whisp is larger than I expected. |
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| 02:18.21 | harl | it=is |
| 02:26.00 | Stanzilla | ~wowalert |
| 02:26.00 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 02:28.54 | Shirik | where is the nevcairiel |
| 02:33.39 | Stanzilla | sleeping I guess |
| 02:34.06 | harl | ate nevcairiel |
| 02:34.35 | RaydenU | 3 wipes on heigan |
| 02:34.41 | RaydenU | we had 4 people fight him for a long time |
| 02:34.43 | RaydenU | then the 1 healer died |
| 02:38.05 | TradeMark | http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft/wiki/SampleOutputPTR |
| 02:38.06 | TradeMark | aww hell |
| 02:38.11 | TradeMark | mages getting hit with the bat again |
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| 02:44.14 | Stanzilla | buff priests :( |
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| 02:53.12 | Codayus | Stanzilla: Agreed. |
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| 03:06.40 | SqueeG | which mage spec? |
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| 03:24.09 | TradeMark | Stanzilla: priests are hybrids. |
| 03:24.17 | TradeMark | and they've been very strong up till this point in LK |
| 03:24.21 | Stanzilla | so? |
| 03:24.25 | Stanzilla | look at druids -.- |
| 03:24.45 | Stanzilla | owning meters with 2 (!) speccs |
| 03:24.50 | TradeMark | yeah, they need a nerf |
| 03:25.32 | Hjalte | Moonkins aren't really that high on those meters. |
| 03:25.58 | Stanzilla | true but still |
| 03:26.00 | Stanzilla | higher than priests |
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| 03:28.35 | Hjalte | Yes, that's right. Shadow priests seem to be a little low on live, and by the looks of it they might not get much better on the PTR. |
| 03:28.35 | TradeMark | although of course things are still likely to change in 3.1.0 so those numbers could likely change |
| 03:29.38 | Stanzilla | i hope so |
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| 05:29.25 | CIA-35 | quelevel: 03Tekkub 07master * r1abbd42 10/ Quelevel.lua : Don't report -1 level quests (quests that don't have a level at all) - http://bit.ly/7Djh |
| 05:29.29 | CIA-35 | quelevel: 03Tekkub 07master * raa26a74 10/ Quelevel.lua : Also modify WHISPER_INFORM (when we send a tell) - http://bit.ly/4ua8gW |
| 05:29.30 | CIA-35 | quelevel: 03Tekkub 07master * raf0a377 10/ Quelevel.lua : if... then - http://bit.ly/8dV1z |
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| 06:21.31 | Chosi | girugamesh! |
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| 06:49.15 | NeoTron | so |
| 06:49.29 | NeoTron | we just lost immortal because a ret pally died on gluth using seal of the martyr |
| 06:50.01 | Chosi | at least you can play |
| 06:50.03 | Chosi | :p |
| 06:50.38 | NeoTron | still sucks. only death |
| 06:50.46 | NeoTron | however we DID get shocking so taht's something |
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| 07:01.48 | Repo | 10volumizer: 03Torhal * r20 Volumizer.lua: |
| 07:01.51 | Repo | Removed OnLeave-hiding of panel, as it was rather annoying and hiding can be accomplished by pressing Esc or clicking anywhere in the WorldFrame. |
| 07:01.53 | Repo | Added tooltips for all checkboxes. |
| 07:01.57 | Repo | Changed panel's strata from TOOLTIP to DIALOG. |
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| 07:09.12 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03TAP3AH 06tap3ah * r2 / (37 files in 11 directories): first try |
| 07:09.45 | Shefki | ... first try of what. |
| 07:10.06 | NivFreak | so fubar2broker is dead? |
| 07:10.18 | Shefki | I can't imagine why it would be. |
| 07:10.27 | Xinhuan | whoa who's TAP3AH |
| 07:10.36 | Shefki | Xinhuan: That's what I was wondering. |
| 07:10.43 | Shefki | Looks to me like he cloned the repo. |
| 07:10.43 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r175 modules/trinketprocs.lua: Updated Proc Modules |
| 07:10.45 | NivFreak | fubar2broker is abandon |
| 07:10.46 | NivFreak | ed |
| 07:11.06 | Shefki | Ahh. |
| 07:11.11 | Shefki | He's writing some modules. |
| 07:11.13 | Xinhuan | you can bribe me and Arrowmaster to rewrite fubar4 |
| 07:11.31 | Xinhuan | but that ChocolateBar addon looks really cool |
| 07:11.35 | Shefki | He has a ticket about them, guess he cloned the repo into a svn repo and is working out of there. |
| 07:11.51 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Write something better. :P |
| 07:12.03 | Xinhuan | i'll rather write a damage meter addon |
| 07:12.09 | Xinhuan | that beats the shit out of recount ;p |
| 07:12.15 | Shefki | Please do. |
| 07:12.31 | Xinhuan | i don't wish to work alone though |
| 07:12.32 | Shefki | But really, you're walking into a mine field with that one. |
| 07:12.48 | Shefki | I wouldn't wish that mess on anyone. |
| 07:12.59 | Xinhuan | if a mine explodes on me, i'll like someone to drag my corpse out |
| 07:13.00 | Xinhuan | you know |
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| 07:13.14 | Shefki | I've got enough on my plate. |
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| 07:14.13 | Xinhuan | trying to decide if i should stockpile rugged leather armor |
| 07:14.19 | Xinhuan | to regrind steamwheedle |
| 07:14.56 | Chosi | so |
| 07:15.02 | Chosi | what's new in the world of addons? |
| 07:15.11 | Chosi | anything worth having a look at? |
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| 07:15.28 | Xinhuan | there's Skada, a new damage meter addon |
| 07:15.32 | Shefki | I'm sitting here trying to get the will power to re-debug config mode after ck went and rebroke it. |
| 07:15.42 | Xinhuan | its not quite a Recount replacement yet |
| 07:15.46 | Xinhuan | still has bugs and stuff |
| 07:15.48 | Chosi | ah too bad |
| 07:15.52 | Xinhuan | but they are getting worked on |
| 07:16.09 | Chosi | so what about that fubar2broker stuff. what should i use instead? |
| 07:16.11 | Chosi | fubar 3.5? |
| 07:16.14 | Chosi | :> |
| 07:16.14 | Xinhuan | other than that nothing that really caught my eye as "new" |
| 07:16.56 | Fisker- | slaps Xinhuan around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:17.16 | Shefki | Yeah not gonna happen, guess I'll go start implementing Visual Heal for PB4. |
| 07:17.21 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to see if i can innovate some new display method for damage meter data |
| 07:17.27 | Xinhuan | that isn't "bars of numbers" |
| 07:17.41 | Chosi | pie charts |
| 07:17.44 | Chosi | :p |
| 07:17.49 | Fisker- | already done |
| 07:17.51 | Chosi | i know |
| 07:17.57 | Chosi | so what would it be? |
| 07:17.59 | Chosi | sounds? :P |
| 07:18.01 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * c5a52fe Modules/ (3 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 07:18.03 | Repo | c5a52fe: Use the prefered UnitPower() and UnitPowerMax() functions. |
| 07:18.04 | Fisker- | triangles! |
| 07:18.06 | Repo | 211b2f5: Ticket 229: Hide PowerBar based on Power type. |
| 07:18.09 | Repo | 59758c8: Allow CastBarLatency to show on any frame representing the player. |
| 07:18.09 | Fisker- | Like the food triangle |
| 07:18.12 | Repo | a272047: Ticket 250: Configuration for Portrait Background |
| 07:18.13 | Xinhuan | numberlines might be an interesting possibility |
| 07:18.31 | Fisker- | And then you'd have 3 levels, good, ~okish, bad DPS |
| 07:18.34 | Chosi | yeah and quake sounds |
| 07:18.38 | Chosi | you have taken the lead |
| 07:18.42 | Chosi | you are tied for the lead |
| 07:18.44 | Chosi | :> |
| 07:18.54 | Fisker- | M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-ONSTER DPS |
| 07:19.01 | Chosi | quad dps |
| 07:19.10 | Fisker- | You'd have to hire the UT announcer though |
| 07:19.46 | Chosi | Achmed the Death Knight |
| 07:19.46 | Chosi | A simple sound mod that plays Achmed the Dead Terrorist yelling "Silence!! I kill you!!!" when your Death Knight casts Strangulate |
| 07:19.50 | Chosi | d'oh |
| 07:19.51 | Chosi | :D |
| 07:20.26 | Fisker- | My concept works though Xinhuan |
| 07:20.28 | Fisker- | it's awesum |
| 07:21.54 | Grum | Xinhuan: first fix wowequip please <3 |
| 07:22.05 | Xinhuan | its about 1/2 done |
| 07:22.12 | Fisker- | not until he admits how awesome my concept is |
| 07:22.16 | Grum | i so needed that yesterday ;( |
| 07:22.22 | Grum | fists Fisker- (happy now?) |
| 07:22.24 | Xinhuan | all the menu choices for enchants/gems now have item/enchant tooltips |
| 07:22.32 | Xinhuan | of the actual item or enchant |
| 07:22.41 | Xinhuan | (yes it still uses UIDropDownMenu) |
| 07:22.46 | Fisker- | what is wowequip anyways? |
| 07:23.15 | Xinhuan | however, i'm trying to figure out how to detect if an item has a blackmisth socket in it Grum |
| 07:23.17 | Chosi | addon for the built in gear manager? |
| 07:23.18 | Chosi | :> |
| 07:23.20 | Xinhuan | would you like to research this for me? |
| 07:23.34 | Xinhuan | chosi: its a ct-profiles like addon |
| 07:23.44 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Answer is you can't I don't believe. :( |
| 07:23.48 | Grum | Xinhuan: oh i could actually do that |
| 07:23.51 | Grum | my DK is a BS |
| 07:24.01 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Well you can but you have to do tooltip scanning. |
| 07:24.01 | Chosi | bullshit? |
| 07:24.02 | Grum | and i can add a socket and check what the difference is |
| 07:24.03 | Chosi | :> |
| 07:24.04 | Xinhuan | you click a paper doll slot, a list of gear comes up u select what to wear in that slot, select enchant/gems, etc |
| 07:24.09 | Fisker- | i don't think you can |
| 07:24.14 | Xinhuan | and compare the gear set against another gear set |
| 07:24.19 | Xinhuan | with summed up stats |
| 07:24.21 | Fisker- | Because when seeing other peoples item links it doesn't show the bs slot |
| 07:24.32 | Shefki | As far as I know blacksmith sockets are the only colorless gem sockets. |
| 07:24.34 | Grum | yes but my client sees it |
| 07:24.35 | Chosi | Xinhuan: sounds like itemrack |
| 07:24.38 | Grum | so my client has to know |
| 07:24.39 | Chosi | *shrug* |
| 07:24.39 | Shefki | So you could figure it out like that. |
| 07:24.40 | Grum | Chosi: it is not |
| 07:24.44 | Grum | it is chardev ingame |
| 07:24.44 | Xinhuan | Chosi: its not for equipping |
| 07:24.47 | Xinhuan | its for theorycrafting |
| 07:24.50 | Chosi | ah ic |
| 07:24.53 | Grum | its for making sets of 'wanted gear' |
| 07:24.59 | Shefki | Grum: Just because the client knows doesn't mean they bothered to expose it to us. |
| 07:25.01 | Chosi | ah nice |
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| 07:25.07 | Grum | Shefki: it has to |
| 07:25.17 | Grum | in some way :D |
| 07:25.24 | Shefki | Grum: Tell that to those of us that have wanted an API to find out charges on items for years now. |
| 07:25.34 | Grum | parse the tooltip :( |
| 07:25.41 | Shefki | Which I just said. |
| 07:25.43 | Shefki | But it sucks. |
| 07:25.47 | Grum | yeah i agree |
| 07:25.54 | Xinhuan | well feel free to try to research it for me |
| 07:25.59 | Xinhuan | or i can't tell |
| 07:26.02 | Shefki | And may not be 100% accurate. |
| 07:26.02 | Chosi | so Xinhuan where do you get itemdata from? pt stuff? |
| 07:26.03 | Xinhuan | whether to show an extra gem menu |
| 07:26.13 | Xinhuan | Chosi: http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WoWEquip |
| 07:26.19 | Xinhuan | it just uses your item cache |
| 07:26.33 | Xinhuan | see the note in the "Search Equipment" screenshot in that link |
| 07:26.37 | Shefki | Grum: And to make matters worse... |
| 07:26.39 | Grum | ah shoot realms are down :P |
| 07:26.52 | Shefki | Grum: The tooltip for items that have gems socketed in them only has the info on the gem. |
| 07:26.55 | Shefki | Grum: Not the socket. |
| 07:27.14 | Chosi | ah ic |
| 07:27.34 | Xinhuan | you can inspect other ppl in wowequip, and save their gear sets |
| 07:27.42 | Xinhuan | for comparison |
| 07:28.07 | Chosi | so it seems as if it already works? |
| 07:28.11 | Grum | Xinhuan: maybe you have to end up storing the amount of sockets for each pair of gloves/wrist/belts |
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| 07:28.17 | Xinhuan | it worked in patch 2.4 |
| 07:28.25 | Chosi | eww |
| 07:28.27 | Chosi | :> |
| 07:28.28 | Xinhuan | it broke totally in 3.0 |
| 07:28.38 | Xinhuan | in some many ways i didn't bother trying to fix it |
| 07:28.44 | Xinhuan | so* many ways |
| 07:28.47 | Grum | it was pre 2.0 code :D |
| 07:28.57 | Grum | completely awesomely horrid code =D |
| 07:29.11 | Grum | but! it worked :D |
| 07:29.31 | Grum | btw Xinhuan: it might be simpler to just do the socket-storing :D |
| 07:29.39 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 07:29.44 | Grum | especially if it is true what Shefki says |
| 07:30.08 | Xinhuan | well my question is, does an item with a empty BS socket show up properly in a link? |
| 07:30.24 | Grum | i could check |
| 07:30.34 | Grum | when the servers are up |
| 07:30.35 | Grum | :( |
| 07:31.10 | Xinhuan | also i need a way to find out how many sockets an item naturally has - and at the moment the only way i can use seems to be tooltip scanning |
| 07:31.15 | Shefki | Xinhuan: IIRC from my testing on beta no. |
| 07:31.23 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Links have no information on the socket. |
| 07:31.38 | Shefki | Oddly it isn't treated as an enchant and can stack with enchants. |
| 07:31.53 | Shefki | So there's no entry for it in the itemlink. |
| 07:31.57 | Xinhuan | i was hoping that an unsocketed BS socket had a specific enchant ID |
| 07:31.59 | Xinhuan | like -1 |
| 07:32.02 | Shefki | No |
| 07:32.04 | Xinhuan | for that gem slot |
| 07:32.13 | Shefki | I'm an engineer. |
| 07:32.24 | Shefki | I have a belt enchant and a BS socket on it. |
| 07:32.28 | Fisker- | giev servers |
| 07:32.29 | Fisker- | GIIIIIIEV |
| 07:32.37 | Xinhuan | i'm talking about |
| 07:32.41 | Xinhuan | the gemID |
| 07:32.43 | Xinhuan | in the itemlink |
| 07:32.53 | Xinhuan | it could have a specific ID for an unslotted BS gem |
| 07:33.18 | Shefki | Hmm. |
| 07:33.28 | Grum | i can just enchant an item to get a socket |
| 07:33.54 | Grum | but i think you will need the data on the amount of natural sockets in either case Xinhuan |
| 07:34.32 | nevcairiel | morning |
| 07:34.45 | Grum | mornin nev |
| 07:35.19 | Grum | Xinhuan: so start making a data-gatherer =) |
| 07:35.34 | Xinhuan | i can't work on multi projects at the same time |
| 07:35.48 | Grum | then just ignore extra sockets for now |
| 07:35.59 | nevcairiel | You can't? And i thought robots are multi-tasking capable |
| 07:36.01 | nevcairiel | what a design failure |
| 07:36.51 | Chosi | single thread machine |
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| 07:37.25 | Xinhuan | are there any new head enchants in wrath i haven't covered hmmm |
| 07:37.39 | Xinhuan | i've got the borean armor kits, the reputation vendors and the pvp/wintergrasp ones |
| 07:38.04 | nevcairiel | the two sets of reputation? the useful ones and the resistance shit? :) |
| 07:38.08 | nevcairiel | i believe thats all thats there |
| 07:38.10 | Grum | that's it Xinhuan |
| 07:38.41 | Grum | also there are only 508 glove/wrist/belts with 1 or more natural sockets |
| 07:38.48 | Grum | so that dataset is not that big |
| 07:38.49 | nevcairiel | only, hah |
| 07:38.54 | cncfanatics | ~wowstatus |
| 07:39.09 | Grum | nevcairiel: could have been worse :D |
| 07:39.09 | Xinhuan | i'll rather go with a tooltip scanning method anyhow |
| 07:39.17 | Xinhuan | the same one i used |
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| 07:39.25 | cncfanatics | god, whats the purl thingy to get a link to wow status again ? |
| 07:39.37 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 07:39.38 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:39.38 | Repo | 10squire: 03Adirelle 04v1.1 * r71 : Tagging as v1.1 |
| 07:39.48 | Xinhuan | i'm reworking the data tables to have them use less memory |
| 07:40.18 | Grum | Xinhuan: so you will just take the natural item and scan away? |
| 07:40.23 | Xinhuan | i think i managed to half the number of tables needed, and reduced most tables from hashed to numeric |
| 07:40.29 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 07:40.45 | Grum | i'll check if the BS empty socket has an enchant id orso |
| 07:40.50 | Xinhuan | array tables use half as much memory than hashed ones |
| 07:40.55 | Xinhuan | since it doesn't need to store the key |
| 07:40.59 | Grum | the raw itemstring is enough right? |
| 07:41.10 | Xinhuan | don't even need an itemstring |
| 07:41.19 | nevcairiel | only need the id |
| 07:41.24 | Xinhuan | just :sethpyerlink("item:"..id) |
| 07:41.24 | Grum | (i dont know how to interpret the string ^^) |
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| 07:41.51 | Xinhuan | well an itemstring has 9 parts |
| 07:41.55 | Grum | nah i mean for me finding out if empty BS sockets add an enchant-id or similar |
| 07:42.08 | Shefki | Put your mouse over the item: /dump GameTooltip:GetItem() |
| 07:42.10 | nevcairiel | Most parts of the item string are used for enchants/gems etc |
| 07:42.15 | nevcairiel | but you dont need to store them |
| 07:42.29 | Xinhuan | an itemstring looks like this: "item:A:B:C:D:E:F:G:H:I" |
| 07:42.34 | Xinhuan | where A to I are all integers |
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| 07:42.39 | Xinhuan | some of which can be negative |
| 07:42.56 | Xinhuan | A is the itemID, B is the enchantID, C/D/E/F are gemIDs for 4 possible gem slots |
| 07:43.09 | Shefki | And I is the level of the character who created the item link... |
| 07:43.12 | Xinhuan | G is suffixID for items that can have "of the ____" suffix |
| 07:43.29 | Xinhuan | H is a uniqueID that is unique to an item when conjured/spawned/dropped |
| 07:43.37 | Xinhuan | GMs use this to track items |
| 07:43.52 | Xinhuan | I is a number between 1 to 80, for use on account bound items that scale with level |
| 07:44.12 | nevcairiel | Sadly you can't really produce tooltips for any other then your own level |
| 07:44.16 | nevcairiel | as far as i tested |
| 07:44.17 | Xinhuan | I is always the level of the player that links an item |
| 07:44.21 | Shefki | Actually I is required for all items. Trying to link an item without I disconnects you. |
| 07:44.27 | Shefki | nevcairiel: You can. |
| 07:44.31 | Shefki | Ohh tooltips. |
| 07:44.33 | Shefki | No. |
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| 07:44.53 | nevcairiel | Yeah i wanted to check stats for some heirloom item say on level 40 |
| 07:45.00 | nevcairiel | unless i found a lvl 40 char to check for me |
| 07:45.02 | nevcairiel | no dice |
| 07:45.05 | Shefki | You can generate links for any level. And the person receiving the link will see the item as level 40. |
| 07:45.11 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 07:45.16 | Shefki | But... |
| 07:45.20 | Xinhuan | just generate the itemlink, and modify the "I" part to 40 |
| 07:45.43 | nevcairiel | Once the receiving person clicks the item and gets a tooltip, its adapted to his level |
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| 07:45.50 | Xinhuan | its not |
| 07:45.56 | Xinhuan | its shown at the level I is |
| 07:45.58 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 07:46.00 | Shefki | It's been a while since I played with this. |
| 07:46.02 | Xinhuan | its not |
| 07:46.09 | nevcairiel | go test it :P |
| 07:46.11 | Shefki | But during beta it was shown as the level in the link. |
| 07:46.28 | Shefki | The complaint I had was the shift tooltip always shows as level 1. |
| 07:46.42 | Shefki | I wanted to be able to adjust that without tons of effort. |
| 07:46.48 | Xinhuan | tseted nevcairiel |
| 07:46.58 | Xinhuan | my bankitems addons stores all items on all my alts |
| 07:47.04 | Xinhuan | i have my BoA shoulders on a lvl 1 alt |
| 07:47.10 | Xinhuan | and showing the itemlink on my lvl 80 of that level 1 alt |
| 07:47.14 | Xinhuan | shows that BoA item as level 1 |
| 07:47.18 | Shefki | And if you don't know what I'm talking about, go to the vendor in Dalaran. Mouseover a heirloom item and hold down shift. |
| 07:47.24 | nevcairiel | i was talking about chat links =P |
| 07:47.44 | Xinhuan | i mentioned that earlier! |
| 07:47.52 | Xinhuan | "[3/11 15:44:08] <Xinhuan> I is always the level of the player that links an item" |
| 07:48.11 | Shefki | My bag addon stores the players item level and reshows items as that players level when looking at their stuff. |
| 07:48.13 | Xinhuan | but you can modify it using an addon to show otherwise |
| 07:48.32 | Shefki | But what I would loe to do is get it to show the secondary tooltip when holding shift for those items as the current players level. |
| 07:48.36 | Shefki | love* |
| 07:48.47 | Shefki | Similar to what the MerchantFrame does. |
| 07:51.34 | Shefki | Probably is posssible but requires more effort that I was willing to put into it at the time. |
| 07:54.06 | digmouse | is it able to view the certain stats of a heirloom item at certain level? |
| 07:54.34 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 07:54.36 | digmouse | like viewing the stat of Arcane Ripper of lvl 38 while I'm 30 |
| 07:54.47 | Shefki | You could do that with an addon yeah. |
| 07:54.54 | digmouse | like what? |
| 07:56.29 | Shefki | digmouse: Not sure that anyone has actually written one that lets you see a tooltip for an arbitrary level. |
| 07:56.33 | Shefki | But there's no reason they couldn't. |
| 07:57.20 | digmouse | but it should be easy by modifying the certain itemlink? |
| 07:58.46 | NivFreak | hrmm, I can't get Broker_Location and Failboat to stop throwing errors with external libs |
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| 07:59.17 | nevcairiel | errors like what? |
| 07:59.45 | NivFreak | not finding LibQTip-1.0 and LibTourist-3.0 even though they are installed |
| 07:59.49 | Shefki | digmouse: /run GameTooltip:SetOwner(UIParent,"TOPLEFT"); GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:42944:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:38"); GameTooltip:Show() |
| 08:00.02 | nevcairiel | Maybe those addons just fail at OptionalDeps |
| 08:00.20 | NivFreak | well, failboat is sort of working I think |
| 08:00.34 | NivFreak | broker_location not so much |
| 08:00.42 | Torhal | NivFreak: You running disembedded? |
| 08:01.07 | Torhal | If so, you have to edit Broker_Location's TOC yourself. |
| 08:01.09 | NivFreak | yea |
| 08:01.25 | NivFreak | orly |
| 08:01.28 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 08:01.28 | NivFreak | :P |
| 08:01.34 | NivFreak | dare I ask? |
| 08:01.37 | Torhal | It's a case of .pkgmanager fail |
| 08:01.37 | Shefki | digmouse: That helpful? |
| 08:01.44 | nevcairiel | See, thats why we do not officially support extenal libs, because devs fail at it :) |
| 08:01.48 | Torhal | Err, .pkgmeta |
| 08:01.52 | digmouse | Shefki: will try that after work, and BTW, saw raid frame relative changes in PB4, so does that mean PB4 is raid capable? |
| 08:02.02 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: the CC client has an option, that's offically supported imo :) |
| 08:02.05 | Shefki | digmouse: Yes. |
| 08:02.18 | [Ammo] | the CC client however is a piece of shit imho |
| 08:02.20 | digmouse | Good bye PitBull3! |
| 08:02.23 | nevcairiel | NivFreak, its not. its only to stop you from QQing |
| 08:02.35 | Torhal | One of the last updates to Broker_Location, ironically enough, was a .pkgmeta "fix" |
| 08:02.36 | [Ammo] | or the more subtle nevc opinion ;p |
| 08:02.41 | Shefki | digmouse: I wouldn't be surprised if there's bugs though. I haven't really used the raid frames yet myself. |
| 08:02.44 | [Ammo] | s/opinion/option |
| 08:03.02 | digmouse | Shefki: I should be glad to test and fire some tickets "D |
| 08:03.03 | nevcairiel | [Ammo], to be fair, its the best CC ever |
| 08:03.11 | [Ammo] | it's still shite |
| 08:03.16 | Torhal | Indeed on both counts. |
| 08:03.17 | nevcairiel | i didnt exclude that =) |
| 08:03.19 | NivFreak | it's working alright on windows, not great |
| 08:03.20 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 08:03.30 | Shefki | digmouse: Well I know for a fact it's throwing errors with config mode. |
| 08:03.42 | nevcairiel | It'll work for the 99% default users |
| 08:03.43 | Shefki | digmouse: And some stuff behaves oddly when configuring it until a /rl |
| 08:04.12 | nevcairiel | Kaelten should still implement a big warning popup when a user activates disembed mode |
| 08:04.14 | digmouse | actually I've done layouts of every unit so it will be only a problem of applying them :D |
| 08:04.41 | Shefki | digmouse: If you haven't updated since he added it you're going to lose some of your settings. |
| 08:04.52 | Fisker- | nevcairiel |
| 08:04.55 | Fisker- | i want the servers |
| 08:05.21 | digmouse | anyway I wont refuse sending feed backs |
| 08:05.28 | NivFreak | so far, I like dockingstation the best, but I have ot admit I'm lefting wanting fubar back |
| 08:05.32 | Xinhuan | apparently grum, i've managed to reduce memory usage of wowequip data tables to the point its almost no-advantage to generate the data table on demand |
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| 08:05.41 | Xinhuan | that is, its only a savings of 3 kb of ram (so far) |
| 08:05.49 | Shefki | digmouse: It's appreciated as long it isn't hate mail because it uses 5% more CPU time than you'd like. |
| 08:05.59 | Grum | hehe nice Xin |
| 08:06.08 | nevcairiel | I should forward my hatemail to you |
| 08:06.18 | digmouse | I dont expect it would more CPU than PB3 |
| 08:06.24 | Shefki | digmouse: It is. |
| 08:06.36 | Xinhuan | did anyone figure out which component of Pb3 used the most cpu? |
| 08:06.38 | Shefki | Nothing has been tuned. |
| 08:06.46 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan, the whole thing %) |
| 08:06.51 | Shefki | Xinhuan: That's easy, DogTags. |
| 08:07.00 | Xinhuan | there's bound to be a specific submodule that uses more than others |
| 08:07.10 | Xinhuan | ignore dogtags, and what is the next highest? |
| 08:07.15 | digmouse | DogTags and the pre-tuned data updating |
| 08:07.23 | haste | the core!\ |
| 08:07.40 | digmouse | before ck changed the data updating freq, it lags a lot on a P4 old toon |
| 08:07.47 | nevcairiel | The core of my UF is accelerated by haste-power! |
| 08:07.49 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Probably the HealthBar and PowerBar because of the update rate on the player, pet and vehicle frames. |
| 08:07.54 | haste | oh shi- |
| 08:08.10 | haste | I would guess Auras to be the heavy part tbh |
| 08:08.27 | Torhal | SIGSEGV - PitBull has caused a segmentation fault in WoW.exe |
| 08:08.28 | Shefki | Auras isn't actually too bad. |
| 08:08.28 | digmouse | auras is definitely a high one |
| 08:08.30 | nevcairiel | Auras require alot of re-anchoring |
| 08:08.33 | Xinhuan | unless the code to update those bars were extreme, i wouldn't expect them to use a lot of cpu? |
| 08:08.38 | Xinhuan | its just a bar |
| 08:08.48 | Xinhuan | and resizing its width |
| 08:09.00 | nevcairiel | Well, since 3.0, player bars run on OnUpdate |
| 08:09.01 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Smooth health/power updates = happening a lot. |
| 08:09.04 | nevcairiel | if you want them to |
| 08:09.06 | haste | the bar in pitbull is custom tho' |
| 08:09.15 | digmouse | actually, I didnt expect PB4 to be more efficient on both CPU and ram than PB3 |
| 08:09.28 | digmouse | but I would pay that prize for the features |
| 08:09.32 | Xinhuan | hmmm i wasn't aware pb3 did smooth health updates |
| 08:09.45 | Shefki | Xinhuan: It did when I made it. :) |
| 08:09.57 | Shefki | <- fixed stuff for 3.0 |
| 08:10.10 | digmouse | what I expect is PB4 would not give me a blank UF after a in-combat-offline |
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| 08:10.18 | nevcairiel | Smooth as in fading from one to another, or smooth like the OnUpdate frequent updates? |
| 08:10.36 | Shefki | nevcairiel: OnUpdate frequent. |
| 08:10.51 | Shefki | Think they're actually throttled to 0.2 in PB3. |
| 08:10.58 | Shefki | PB4 has no throttling on anything atm. |
| 08:11.03 | Shefki | Which is why people whine about CPU time. |
| 08:11.10 | digmouse | PB3 used to be faster than 0.2 |
| 08:11.19 | digmouse | and It lags a lot on old toons |
| 08:11.20 | Shefki | Until people whined about CPU time. |
| 08:11.20 | nevcairiel | 0.3 was the in-game throttling on health updates, iirc .. whats the point in a 0.2 ? you could just use the event :D |
| 08:11.36 | haste | the game doesn't throttle it nevcairiel |
| 08:11.45 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Here let me look. |
| 08:11.46 | haste | but it limits the updates to when something changes |
| 08:11.46 | nevcairiel | it fires UNIT_HEALTH every 0.3s iirc |
| 08:12.01 | haste | we use onupdate polling for it with frequent |
| 08:12.03 | Fisker- | hey haste |
| 08:12.05 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 08:12.10 | haste | so hows that related :p ? |
| 08:12.22 | nevcairiel | Yeah i know that UnitHealth() will always be up-to-date |
| 08:12.22 | Fisker- | everyone hates haste :( |
| 08:12.23 | Shefki | Correction... PB3 doesn't throttle health or power for player or pet. |
| 08:12.40 | nevcairiel | but if you limit it to 0.2 already, you could as well use the 0.3s UNIT_HEALTH event |
| 08:12.41 | haste | ~Fisker--- |
| 08:12.43 | haste | ! |
| 08:13.37 | sb|work | i like (spell-)haste :/ |
| 08:13.42 | sb|work | ~fail sb|work |
| 08:14.04 | purl | sb|work, you Fail! |
| 08:14.04 | Shefki | Really the big slow down in PB4 is the target of ____ frames that are updating OnUpdate. |
| 08:14.08 | Fisker- | then give me back my servers haste |
| 08:14.18 | haste | no! suffer like I did |
| 08:14.29 | Xinhuan | so Shefki, throtle those OnUpdates to 0.3? ;p |
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| 08:14.37 | Torhal | Fisker-: Your servers are currently part of my botnet, so fuck off. |
| 08:14.53 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Actually I'm gonna leave them that way for now on purppose. |
| 08:14.58 | Fisker- | i doubt it Torhal |
| 08:15.02 | Torhal | Heh |
| 08:15.24 | Shefki | Xinhuan: It'll make it easier to performance tune later. |
| 08:15.30 | Xinhuan | valid point |
| 08:15.45 | Xinhuan | do you use omen by any chance? ;p |
| 08:15.48 | Shefki | Which is why I keep telling people whining about CPU time right now to bugger off. |
| 08:15.51 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Yes. |
| 08:15.53 | Xinhuan | it wasn't throtled up until 3.0.3 or so |
| 08:16.04 | Torhal | Also makes it easier for me to occasionally pop in the thread and tell people to quit bitching about software they shouldn't even be using to begin with. |
| 08:16.19 | Shefki | Torhal: I appreciate it. |
| 08:16.32 | Xinhuan | so the death of a unit would cause omen to update its display up to 28 times |
| 08:16.38 | Xinhuan | in the same frame ;p |
| 08:16.42 | Shefki | lol |
| 08:16.53 | Xinhuan | but nobody complained about omen's CPU |
| 08:17.09 | Xinhuan | i eventually did add a frame-throtle, so it only updated once in the onupdate frame |
| 08:17.22 | Shefki | The other issue is some of the things we could do to prevent unnecessary updates create taint issues. |
| 08:17.39 | Shefki | I had to remove a bunch of stuff ckknight put in to avoid extra updates today becuase they were breaking stuff from taint. |
| 08:18.10 | Torhal | I'm surprised nobody complained about Revelation's mem usage...until I started recycling frames and did some fine-tuning, it was quite easy to get it to above 1MB (from a starting-point of 35k) |
| 08:18.26 | Torhal | And actually, it still is - those changes are in alpha still. |
| 08:18.28 | Torhal | Heh |
| 08:18.29 | NivFreak | I guess I should reset mobspell's savevars |
| 08:18.35 | NivFreak | I'm up to 12MB |
| 08:19.01 | Shefki | Torhal: People whining about memory need to bugger off permanently, a lot of memory usagee for addons = faster execution time. |
| 08:19.06 | Shefki | Memory is cheap. |
| 08:19.28 | Torhal | Shefki: Yah, but not when it's not static. I was generating a LOT of unnecessary garbage. |
| 08:19.38 | digmouse | what matters is not mem |
| 08:19.40 | Shefki | Torhal: Ahh. |
| 08:19.41 | digmouse | it's CPU |
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| 08:19.53 | Shefki | Torhal: Yeah well garbage = CPU time. |
| 08:19.57 | Torhal | Aye |
| 08:20.49 | Shefki | Mostly the people complaining about memory don't even know what they're complaining about. |
| 08:21.06 | Shefki | "ZOMG your addon uses 1MB of RAM" |
| 08:21.21 | Shefki | "You realize the game is using like 1GB, why does 1MB matter?" |
| 08:21.27 | Shefki | "But it's more than my other addons" |
| 08:21.41 | Shefki | "Yes and your other addons do different things." |
| 08:22.00 | haste | the games uses 1G?! |
| 08:22.02 | Torhal | And those folks are just a step above the ones who think addons are hacks to the WoW executable. |
| 08:22.08 | haste | I use 1.1G total when playing WoW |
| 08:22.16 | digmouse | always 1G |
| 08:22.24 | digmouse | around 600-800 in cities |
| 08:22.29 | Xinhuan | it does, a little bit Shefki |
| 08:22.35 | Xinhuan | due to how the lua memory GC works |
| 08:22.47 | Shefki | "But why can't your store all my stuff addon store all my stuff in the same space as my minimap addon?" |
| 08:23.28 | haste | I think oUF fits in the memory space of the chincilla minimap :P |
| 08:23.28 | Shefki | Xinhuan: If an addon is creating garbage that's one thing. |
| 08:23.49 | Fisker- | undresses haste |
| 08:24.03 | Xinhuan | yeah but how much static memory is in use DOES affect the GC cycles |
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| 08:24.18 | nevcairiel | Only if you need to run a full GC |
| 08:24.22 | nevcairiel | the incremental shouldnt care |
| 08:25.05 | Xinhuan | incremental GC doesn't occur in combat though |
| 08:25.08 | Xinhuan | or does it? |
| 08:25.18 | nevcairiel | it runs always |
| 08:25.31 | haste | Fisker-: but I was already undressed |
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| 08:26.15 | Shefki | But as far as I know WoW no longer will run a full GC during combat. |
| 08:26.30 | Shefki | It might if you specifically ask it to I suppose. |
| 08:27.09 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1911 / (4 files in 3 directories): |
| 08:27.12 | Repo | Changes to accommodate LibAboutPanel switching to a git repository. |
| 08:27.29 | nevcairiel | If an addon manually starts the full GC, it will run |
| 08:28.02 | Xinhuan | i thought a full GC will still run in combat if memory usage reaches some peak limit |
| 08:28.13 | nevcairiel | not anymore, i believe |
| 08:28.24 | nevcairiel | since they removed the mem limit from the addons screen |
| 08:28.29 | Xinhuan | care to test by creating 1000000 tables in combat? |
| 08:28.30 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 08:28.41 | Fisker- | hot haste :O |
| 08:29.21 | haste | running ./configure takes more time than make... |
| 08:29.45 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03StingerSoft * r5034 Northrend/Sartharion.lua: BigWigs: ruRU update |
| 08:30.16 | nevcairiel | yeah thats what i hate about autoconf/automake .. it takes way too long |
| 08:30.42 | Shefki | nevcairiel: automake isn't too bad. |
| 08:31.00 | Shefki | autoconf is horrible because it does a ton of tests that often aren't always needed. |
| 08:31.06 | haste | lots of better options |
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| 08:31.16 | nevcairiel | cmake is pretty good these days |
| 08:31.31 | haste | I love it when I see C applications with larger autohell files than source |
| 08:31.40 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:32.00 | haste | the autohell make files are usually 700 LoC or so |
| 08:33.49 | nevcairiel | autoconf should produce a pre-build answer file for my system and just reuse that |
| 08:34.01 | haste | waf is also nice btw |
| 08:34.34 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I thought that's what config.cache did... |
| 08:34.34 | Fisker- | if servers don't come up i'll rage |
| 08:34.34 | Torhal | Fisker-: You'll rage anyway. |
| 08:34.46 | nevcairiel | Torhal, afaik, only in the application you're currently building for a second run |
| 08:34.55 | Torhal | nevcairiel: True. |
| 08:35.51 | sb|work | Fisker-: uhm... it's wednesday, what do you expect? |
| 08:36.00 | nevcairiel | and its only 9:35 |
| 08:36.09 | Torhal | But storing it would be a bitch - it would have to hash all of the values for fast lookup, and the server admin would have to run it to generate it after the OS install. |
| 08:36.30 | Torhal | I think GNU will stick to the per-account setup, though it's slow as fuck and redundant. |
| 08:36.51 | sb|work | fisk: login screen tells 11:00 for eu realms |
| 08:36.55 | sb|work | Fisker- even |
| 08:36.55 | nevcairiel | haste, waf looks alot like CMake from looking at it |
| 08:37.02 | Torhal | They COULD do a .config.cache dir though |
| 08:37.08 | haste | nevcairiel: it does |
| 08:38.00 | nevcairiel | Maybe i should just switch to a binary distribution and be done with it |
| 08:38.47 | haste | no use for binary distributions anymore |
| 08:38.52 | haste | i7 920 compiles GCC in 5min |
| 08:38.58 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 08:38.59 | haste | and webkit in 4 |
| 08:39.09 | nevcairiel | I need a new CPU |
| 08:39.12 | haste | entire system takes 1h to recompile without ccache |
| 08:39.31 | haste | this is at default clock also |
| 08:39.33 | nevcairiel | 1h? OO.org alone takes longer then that right now =P |
| 08:39.41 | haste | I don't have OO |
| 08:39.47 | haste | but OO alone takes 50min :p |
| 08:40.09 | haste | oh wait, 35min I mean |
| 08:40.17 | Fisker- | sb|work i know |
| 08:40.23 | Fisker- | But that doesn't mean i don't want the servers up |
| 08:40.26 | sb|work | eh? so stop QQing :o |
| 08:40.27 | nevcairiel | You probably dont have anything "expensive" like KDE or Qt either |
| 08:40.42 | haste | right now I don't at least |
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| 08:41.17 | nevcairiel | but gcc in 5min is still awesome |
| 08:41.23 | haste | I run mostly GTK applications, and my WM is wmii |
| 08:41.25 | nevcairiel | considering it compiles itself like 3 times in the process |
| 08:41.29 | Fisker- | i can do it quicker hoho |
| 08:41.29 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:41.32 | NivFreak | Is OptDeps: valid? |
| 08:41.38 | NivFreak | or just OptionalDeps: |
| 08:41.42 | nevcairiel | NivFreak, no, OptionalDeps |
| 08:41.42 | haste | I actually have three GTK applications only :p |
| 08:41.52 | haste | vim with gtk, quodlibet and firefox |
| 08:42.07 | nevcairiel | silly console person |
| 08:42.08 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: ok, so this one is just sylvanaar's fail i guess |
| 08:42.19 | haste | I don't have too many console applications either :p |
| 08:42.30 | nevcairiel | NivFreak, i thought he fixed his OptDeps once he noticed |
| 08:42.35 | haste | irssi, rtorrent and the default stuff :p |
| 08:42.44 | nevcairiel | what do you do all day? |
| 08:42.54 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: apparently not in failboat, how ironic :) |
| 08:42.57 | haste | listen to music, code and play games |
| 08:42.59 | haste | oh wait! |
| 08:43.01 | haste | I have mplayer also |
| 08:43.07 | haste | and watch porn |
| 08:43.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:44.40 | haste | wonder how well the wakoopa tracker for linux works |
| 08:45.29 | haste | also... the x-fi drivers for linux are pure crap |
| 08:45.50 | nevcairiel | audigy works pretty good, comparing to the crappy vista drivers |
| 08:46.27 | nevcairiel | after i spent like 2 days reading up on alsa config and tuning it <.< |
| 08:46.33 | haste | well, the x-fi drivers work okey for general use |
| 08:46.49 | haste | but at as soon as it hits some 9kHz music it craps out if it has another audio stream |
| 08:47.03 | haste | and all my vinyl rips are in 96kHz :( |
| 08:47.08 | haste | so that's quite often |
| 08:47.30 | nevcairiel | cant you configure alsa to down-sample it before sending it to the driver? |
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| 08:47.48 | haste | probably, but alsa is a nightmare :p |
| 08:48.10 | Torhal | Blort. Sleeptime. |
| 08:48.12 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 08:48.21 | nevcairiel | sound is really unfriendly on linux |
| 08:48.38 | haste | yep, once it works I avoid tinkering with it anymore |
| 08:50.11 | haste | haha.. I just realized that I could run several instances of oggenc to speed things up |
| 08:50.15 | haste | since it only uses one core :p |
| 08:50.19 | haste | or thread |
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| 08:50.25 | nevcairiel | fail-app |
| 08:50.41 | haste | y |
| 08:50.59 | haste | the world needs more threaded apps! |
| 08:53.11 | Elkano | write your own :P |
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| 09:07.33 | Repo | 10grid-indicator-corner-icons: 03pr0ff * r35 / (2 files in 1 directory): add ruRU locale |
| 09:10.12 | digmouse | is there a possiblity that illidan will drop 2 warglaives at the same time? |
| 09:10.18 | sb|work | dont think so |
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| 09:10.34 | digmouse | me too |
| 09:12.30 | digmouse | and is there a possibility that KJ will drop more than one Thori'dal? :D |
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| 09:15.19 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Elkano * r157 / (12 files in 11 directories): |
| 09:15.21 | Repo | [Consumable.Cooldown.Potion.Combat.Battle] removed two spellids that somehow got in there (the corresponding potions were already listed) |
| 09:15.24 | Repo | [CurrencyItems.Coin of Ancestry] added set |
| 09:15.27 | Repo | dataminer run including WotLK instances |
| 09:16.31 | Fisker- | MY SERVER ISN'T UP HASTE |
| 09:16.46 | Fisker- | fix it |
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| 09:21.19 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r440 spell.lua: |
| 09:21.22 | Repo | make sure the tooltip is Hidden so that CowTip doesn't try to show it. |
| 09:22.41 | Fisker- | SEVER UP HASTE |
| 09:22.42 | Fisker- | OMG |
| 09:23.25 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry 07v1.9.6 * r441 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 09:23.28 | Repo | Merge in revision 419 and 440. (mmo-champion support and bugfix for |
| 09:23.31 | Repo | CowTip) |
| 09:23.56 | Fisker- | 1-man wintergrasp go! |
| 09:24.29 | Fisker- | if only i had teleport hax |
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| 09:29.23 | sztanpet | anyway to add groups in pb4 and not have frames stuck to the mouse when frame moving is unlocked |
| 09:34.11 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1912 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 09:34.14 | Repo | Holding shift while mousing over an item now shows the comparison tooltip |
| 09:34.30 | VonhintenHOME` | About time! |
| 09:34.36 | Repo | 10grid-status-threat: 03pr0ff * r48 / (2 files in 1 directory): add ruRU locale |
| 09:35.20 | VonhintenHOME` | Man, these bloody 10% XP shoulders burn though rested too fast |
| 09:35.28 | VonhintenHOME` | wtb increased rested bonus |
| 09:38.12 | Fisker- | bah |
| 09:38.17 | Fisker- | blatant alliance love |
| 09:38.34 | Fisker- | After maintanence wintergrasp was up with 10 minutes left for the attackers(us) |
| 09:43.21 | Zarnivoop | serves you right, horde scum |
| 09:44.50 | Fisker- | btw Shefki |
| 09:47.17 | sztanpet | Zarnivoop could you add a reset button in skada to where you can select whether to show the total/current things, and the report button too |
| 09:47.28 | sztanpet | ploxplox <3 |
| 09:47.50 | Fisker- | your mom is a reset button |
| 09:48.03 | sztanpet | if only |
| 09:49.02 | Zarnivoop | sztanpet: you can reset in the menu, or in shift-clicking LDB, already |
| 09:49.17 | sztanpet | what menu |
| 09:49.39 | Zarnivoop | right-click LDB display, or shift-click window header |
| 09:49.59 | sztanpet | oh, dont want the ldb display but didnt know about the shift click |
| 09:50.05 | sztanpet | k, thanks |
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| 10:04.05 | digmouse | Shefki:ping |
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| 10:06.21 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 10:06.34 | Fisker- | mana bar for you as well digmouse? ;O |
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| 10:06.42 | Tjacu | hmm, anyone here that can tell me if my addons should work, pastey = http://wowuidev.pastey.net/109916 |
| 10:06.55 | Tjacu | it is the popup I want to know about.. |
| 10:07.16 | digmouse | Fisker-: no but my PitBull3 layouts are wiped |
| 10:07.47 | digmouse | I enabled PB4 and forgot to disable 3 and after a reload to disable 4 first, my PB3 layouts are gone |
| 10:10.37 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 10:26.06 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r176 / (10 files in 2 directories): Proc Uptime Calculation, as requested by LostHero. |
| 10:26.09 | Repo | Locale Updated. |
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| 10:34.57 | SunTsu | Is hourly file change notification on projects working for anybody here? |
| 10:36.51 | haste | Fisker-: lies |
| 10:38.05 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 10:41.33 | thul | http://fc85.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/070/b/3/Morning_Coffee_II_by_cainadamsson.jpg |
| 10:45.37 | haste | your table has a dent. |
| 10:45.56 | haste | and your coffee cup looks dirty :D |
| 10:46.02 | haste | and it doesn't really look like coffee |
| 10:47.21 | Fisker- | looks like shit |
| 10:47.32 | thul | smears Fisker- with shit and licks it off |
| 10:47.41 | Fisker- | enjoys |
| 10:48.02 | nevcairiel | looks like something coffee-ish with too much milk |
| 10:48.06 | thul | i wonder what a pshycolog would say if i did a grep in my logs for "thul and fisker" |
| 10:48.09 | thul | nevcairiel: I prefer lattes :-P |
| 10:48.13 | thul | (au laits/lattes) |
| 10:57.21 | thul | color version: http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/489308594_BzDp8-XL.jpg |
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| 11:19.31 | Elkano | Elsia ping? |
| 11:20.58 | Elsia | quack |
| 11:22.30 | Elkano | RecountFailBot is missing the setup for running LibFail-1.0 as standalone ^^ |
| 11:22.51 | Elsia | k, let me check |
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| 11:23.29 | Elsia | you mean no-lib strip? |
| 11:23.43 | Elkano | the lib isn't set as optdep (and that could also be the reason why CC didn't install it itself) |
| 11:24.04 | Elsia | hmm sounds like a pkgdata problem, lets see |
| 11:26.11 | Elsia | pkgmeta looks ok though, let me fix the optdept and make it strip |
| 11:27.26 | Repo | 10recountfailbot: 03Elsia * r9 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Added LibFail-1.0 to optdeps where it belongs. |
| 11:27.30 | Repo | - Now properly strips when no-lib (kinky!) |
| 11:27.34 | Elsia | can you try this one and let me know if that fixed the problem? |
| 11:29.39 | Repo | 10recountguessedabsorbs: 03Elsia * r11 RecountGuessedAbsorbs.toc: - Now properly strips when no-lib (eww) |
| 11:30.34 | Repo | 10recountthreat: 03Elsia * r42 RecountThreat.toc: |
| 11:30.37 | Repo | - Now properly strips when no-lib (the other way to build aggro) |
| 11:31.30 | Repo | 10recount-death-track: 03Elsia * r17 RecountDeathTrack.toc: - Properly strips if no-lib (:P) |
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| 11:33.14 | nevcairiel | out of funny remarks? ;) |
| 11:33.48 | Elsia | nevah, but I decided to ditch the necrophilia one :P |
| 11:34.19 | thul | kills Fisker- and assrapes him afterwards, then revives him to kiss him agian |
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| 11:43.01 | stolenlegacy | wonders whether or not thul is crazy |
| 11:43.16 | thul | I'm batshit crayz |
| 11:43.19 | thul | crazy too |
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| 11:56.05 | Elkano | Elsia, seems to be working now :) |
| 11:56.34 | Elsia | coolio thanks |
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| 12:24.10 | Fisker- | btw Zarnivoop |
| 12:24.15 | Fisker- | are you forcing me to reset my profile? |
| 12:24.56 | nevcairiel | Be happy thats all he forces you to do |
| 12:25.01 | harl | does anyone have an idea as to how i could keep separate (i.e. class-based in my case) savedvariables.luas for a certain add-on while still sharing the rest of the SV directory betwenn all(!) characters (using hard links), without having to create separate links for every single lua file ? |
| 12:25.46 | nevcairiel | You could use the profile options in the addons themself .. other then that, might be hard =P |
| 12:27.39 | kenlyric | i tried various methods and failed. Eventually I just tried to mostly use addons which used profiles correctly. |
| 12:27.56 | harl | my problem with that is, that not every add-on has profiles and not every profile option is in the favour of my use of the game (and the add-on). take Elephant for example, which saves its chat logs on a per-character basis, but i want to have my chat logs shared between characters, so i've got to either copy it between every relog to another char or hard link it. |
| 12:27.58 | thul | I want http://www.plasticlogic.com/ |
| 12:28.08 | kenlyric | and by correctly I of course mean the way I want them to. |
| 12:28.48 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro * r297 / (4 files in 3 directories): |
| 12:28.52 | Repo | Added esMX to locale list, switch to auto updating toc for version number |
| 12:32.21 | harl | there should be a way (i.e. program) to automatically create bidirectional soft links of a group of directories' contents without messing with other "real" files in those directories. |
| 12:32.34 | Zarnivoop | Fisker-: not to my knowledge |
| 12:32.49 | harl | or hard links, i wouldn't mind either, but i don't see a way to do that the automatic way.. :/ |
| 12:33.50 | harl | at least not with windows |
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| 12:41.25 | SunTsu | Zarnivoop: Please force him. Just him ;) |
| 12:42.29 | nevcairiel | thul: that damn ebook reader looks too good, but only released in 2010 =( |
| 12:42.47 | stolenlegacy | another sartharion 10 run, another one without dragon figurine |
| 12:42.59 | stolenlegacy | i don't really know why i still expect it to drop :( |
| 12:43.41 | harl | the cause of all the fuss now is, i so want to use Macaroon to have more than those 18 character-based macros the game allows. |
| 12:43.51 | Repo | 10grid-status-raid-debuff: 03Azethoth * r104 GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua: --Thaddius charges |
| 12:44.02 | harl | (which, actually, are class-based for me, hence the separate linking) |
| 12:44.45 | Repo | 10broker_durability: 03Skully * r40 Broker_Durability.lua: added coloring |
| 12:45.40 | thul | nevcairiel: yeah, too bad :-( I have a few wishes in my life, a powerfull netbook with 1280x1024 resolution and a sexy, small and good ebook-reader are two of them :-P |
| 12:46.00 | waallen | Stanzilla: ping |
| 12:46.07 | Stanzilla | waallen: pong |
| 12:46.26 | Stanzilla | is it broken on live? :/ |
| 12:46.29 | waallen | does the debuff coloring work in the version of classtimer you've uploaded? It colors everything to 'normal' |
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| 12:46.53 | Stanzilla | dunno :( |
| 12:46.56 | waallen | the version I edited yesterday doesn't do that instead |
| 12:47.00 | waallen | did you change anything else? |
| 12:47.12 | kenlyric | pffft |
| 12:47.21 | kenlyric | I don't want a single purpose device for reading |
| 12:47.33 | thul | I do :-P |
| 12:47.48 | nevcairiel | I would be happy with a tablet-capable notebook as well |
| 12:47.58 | kenlyric | ^ |
| 12:48.00 | nevcairiel | i just don't want to set in front of a keyboard or something to read on my laptop |
| 12:48.09 | nevcairiel | s/set/sit/ |
| 12:48.11 | kenlyric | I already have single-purpose device for reading |
| 12:48.13 | kenlyric | it's called a book |
| 12:48.28 | thul | I read so much that a designated device would save me lots of space in backpacks, shelves, bags on holidays etc. |
| 12:48.30 | nevcairiel | sadly, tablet-pcs are pricy |
| 12:48.48 | thul | I could bring the entire works of Ian Banks, Dan Simmons, Richard Morgan and Isaac Asimov on one trip :-D |
| 12:49.57 | kenlyric | well if you're one of those weirdos who runs through 27 books in a week I can see the advantage for your spine |
| 12:50.23 | thul | 27? seldom, but I have on me/around me 4-8 books on a normal week. |
| 12:50.32 | thul | and I always have 1-2 books on my person. |
| 12:50.39 | thul | an ebook would save me that :-P |
| 12:51.10 | nevcairiel | there should be an ebook library for free reading |
| 12:51.22 | nevcairiel | it works for real books .. |
| 12:51.24 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:51.32 | thul | hehe |
| 12:51.44 | thul | well, as long as they have resonable prices in their online stores, and good interfaces, I'm paying |
| 12:51.53 | thul | just like I'm paying for spotify, I like to use my money to forward things I like |
| 12:52.06 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: would have the same problem cds in libraries have |
| 12:52.17 | stolenlegacy | you borrow it, you copy it, you hand it back |
| 12:52.45 | nevcairiel | i also read a book and bring it back |
| 12:52.53 | nevcairiel | if i want to read it again, i can get it again! |
| 12:53.15 | nevcairiel | i dunno about other countrys, but libraries here are also free |
| 12:53.51 | thul | the problem is that you can make as many copies you want and distribute to your friends, and in that way remove the financial backbone of the written word :-( |
| 12:58.05 | kenlyric | you can |
| 12:58.12 | harl | alternatively, does anyone (reading this) know of a better method/add-on to have to more than 18 character-based macros in wow? |
| 12:58.14 | kenlyric | but that sounds like work |
| 12:58.25 | harl | -to |
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| 13:04.13 | SunTsu | thul: Books are already shared between people, lent to friends, gotten from libraries, so I don't think there will be so much loss. |
| 13:07.06 | nevcairiel | except the interwebz |
| 13:07.07 | kenlyric | I buy content when you make it easy to buy and use. |
| 13:07.16 | kenlyric | I steal it when you don't |
| 13:07.24 | krka | <opinion>the industry doesn't lose much due to cheapness, but to laziness and convenience. it's much more convenient to download a song or movie than go buy it, or even go to the library to borrow it. not sure the same can be said for books, as there hasn't really been any really good ebook-readers in the recent years, and reading from a monitor sucks</opinion> |
| 13:07.40 | krka | basically, what kenlyric said |
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| 13:07.54 | Zarnivoop | Stanza is a very nice e-reader app for the iphone |
| 13:08.17 | SunTsu | krka: the usual misconception is that everything somebody takes for free is something he would have bought without that possibility |
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| 13:08.59 | kenlyric | I stole games until steam came along. I stole music until itunes came along |
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| 13:09.14 | krka | copyright infringement is not the same as stealing |
| 13:09.16 | thul | SunTsu: well, sharin between people is far less practical with physical copies. |
| 13:09.18 | nevcairiel | Zarnivoop: the iphone is way too small for reading, if you ask me |
| 13:09.49 | thul | no matter what we call it, copyright infringement or stealing, the result is quite clear: one have to debate the financial loss and the impact that loss has on future production. |
| 13:09.57 | kenlyric | I'd not steal DVDs if I could buy videos online that I could stream using something like Orb |
| 13:10.14 | nevcairiel | Yeah, streaming video is really lacking |
| 13:10.16 | SunTsu | thul: given that there is so much time to read and so much more to read I don't think it's that big a problem. |
| 13:10.17 | kenlyric | but I can't, so thief I am |
| 13:10.17 | thul | I think that supporting services like spotify and steam with your money, instead of pirating and talking about how evil RIIA/mpia etc are, is a good way |
| 13:10.31 | krka | i'd buy movies online if i could get a drm free copy i could play as much as i wanted |
| 13:10.35 | krka | much like a physical dvd |
| 13:10.36 | thul | SunTsu: I would not be so sure I suspect, but I'm misantrophic. |
| 13:10.40 | kenlyric | I don't want to support that shit |
| 13:10.52 | kenlyric | I want to own the content and be able to play it how I want |
| 13:11.10 | thul | iTunes has dmr-free music :-) support them. |
| 13:11.17 | kenlyric | I do |
| 13:11.21 | kenlyric | please pay attention |
| 13:11.31 | thul | please don't be so defensive and agressive :-) |
| 13:11.38 | Zarnivoop | nevcairiel: a little, yes. in landscape mode it is alright though. just have to switch pages more often. :) |
| 13:11.39 | kenlyric | I even bought from them when it was DRM because it could do all the things I wanted |
| 13:11.45 | kenlyric | but their DRM videos do not |
| 13:12.03 | nevcairiel | itunes doesnt even offer movies here |
| 13:12.06 | nevcairiel | only music |
| 13:12.29 | SunTsu | .o0( The problem remains. I like books. I like how they smell, how the tactile feeling is, how I handle them. No ebook can give that to me. ) |
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| 13:12.41 | kenlyric | NOT YET |
| 13:12.56 | krka | do s/ook/oob/ and your sentence still works |
| 13:13.29 | SunTsu | I tried reading Edgar Rice Burrow's Tarzan on an ebook reader and I quit because it was horrible |
| 13:13.34 | harl | whil i basically agree with SunTsu, e-books are much lighter in actual weight and thus easier to transport (physically). |
| 13:13.39 | harl | *while |
| 13:13.45 | kenlyric | SunTsu: it is pretty horrible |
| 13:13.49 | kenlyric | try a different book |
| 13:13.55 | krka | i saw that one coming |
| 13:14.55 | SunTsu | kenlyric: I kind of liked the book, but I didn't like the sensation. Yeah, there are things to the boot that I disliked, but that was not what made me quit |
| 13:15.31 | Repo | 10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r44 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 13:15.34 | Repo | Added ability to use scroll wheel to increment/decrement MainTank substitutions. |
| 13:15.36 | kenlyric | Orb and the products like it are like the greatest thing to come out of digital media. |
| 13:16.08 | VonhintenHOME` | audiobook > book imo |
| 13:16.30 | VonhintenHOME` | but, like jogging, I consider reading to be a huge waste of time |
| 13:16.43 | kenlyric | your brain is fail |
| 13:16.56 | VonhintenHOME` | my brain works just fine |
| 13:16.58 | harl | doesn't like audiobooks (nor most of all radio play there is) |
| 13:17.05 | kenlyric | NOT EVEN DOLPHINS CAN READ |
| 13:17.05 | SunTsu | harl: Yes, ebooks are more efficient, and I like being efficient for IT literature, but for books I enjoy I like that archaic feeling |
| 13:17.14 | Repo | 10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone 041.4 * r45 : Tagging as 1.4 |
| 13:17.24 | harl | yes, SunTsu :) |
| 13:17.39 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: Everytime somebody offers an audio book to me I go like "No, thanks, I am able to read myself just fine" |
| 13:17.46 | kenlyric | I use audiobooks to re-read books I've read before, so it doesn't cut into the time i have to read new books |
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| 13:18.17 | VonhintenHOME` | I can't read and do other things at the same time.. I can listen to audio books and do other things at the same time |
| 13:18.25 | harl | i can't |
| 13:18.36 | kenlyric | yeah, exactly |
| 13:18.47 | harl | it's just blah blah blah, when i'm not exactly listening to it |
| 13:18.55 | harl | like actively |
| 13:19.00 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: I couldn't do that with an audio book either. If I want to take some time for a book, I just want that. take time for a book, cencentrate on it, delve into it |
| 13:19.15 | harl | yes, that as well |
| 13:19.15 | kenlyric | well if it's a book i've read before drifting isn't much of a problem |
| 13:19.18 | SunTsu | s/cen/con/ |
| 13:19.41 | kenlyric | audiobooks are also nice for reading in bed while your spouse is asleep |
| 13:19.55 | kenlyric | no more flashlights under the covers! |
| 13:20.04 | harl | what spouse.. anyway.. |
| 13:20.10 | krka | i can't listen to audiobooks and do something else, if i actually want to remember anything from the book |
| 13:20.22 | SunTsu | kenlyric: I have a runner's lamp that I can afix to miy forehead ;) |
| 13:20.30 | SunTsu | "my" |
| 13:20.33 | kenlyric | is listening to The Dark Tower right now. |
| 13:20.45 | harl | i can sleep with lights on, but i can do so much more uncomfortable with noises around me |
| 13:21.00 | kenlyric | well, The Gunslinger |
| 13:21.20 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03TAP3AH 06tap3ah * r3 : wrong folder |
| 13:21.44 | VonhintenHOME` | My problem is, I wasn't born with that give-a-shit-about-books gene... so audio books at least let me get the story |
| 13:21.45 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03TAP3AH 06tap3ah * r4 : right one |
| 13:22.05 | Fisker- | itunes suck btw |
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| 13:23.17 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03TAP3AH 06tap3ah * r5 : again |
| 13:23.19 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: Wouldn't the racap, too? ;) |
| 13:23.38 | harl | it's not about giving a shit about books, but i've read books a multiple times if i liked them enough to do so. and listening to an audio-book wouldn't save any time for me in respect to that, so i can as well read it myself. |
| 13:23.42 | kenlyric | yeah, sounds like you want cliff's notes, not audiobooks |
| 13:23.42 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r203 Localization/zhCN.lua: RaidBuffStatus: |
| 13:23.45 | Repo | - Updated zhCN translations. |
| 13:24.10 | kenlyric | I'd never have time to read a new book with the stable of re-reads I keep. |
| 13:24.31 | kenlyric | also, dear god, I'd spend my time in the car listening to radio |
| 13:24.52 | sb|work | meh... another "blame gamers" thingie today :/ |
| 13:25.35 | kenlyric | gamers are murderers |
| 13:25.52 | harl | yeah, i hate that. just another dumb school massacre thing |
| 13:26.09 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r26 Options.lua: |
| 13:26.12 | Repo | Fixed ticket #8 (Issue with deleting the only spell in "Spell specific settings") |
| 13:26.16 | SunTsu | I tried listening to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy during driving, the original BBC one, but I had a hard time to keep enjoying it and keep my eyes on the traffic in the same time |
| 13:26.21 | VonhintenHOME` | I found this article title pretty funny: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/10/wow-mouse-sport.html |
| 13:26.39 | nevcairiel | some strict catholic kid should do that some time, just for contrast |
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| 13:27.36 | VonhintenHOME` | You must have a different type of brain than me |
| 13:28.00 | sb|work | its like ~25km from here... |
| 13:28.42 | nevcairiel | some silly politicians will use that spin up their "ban all games" again <.< |
| 13:28.47 | SunTsu | .o0( I hope this time the amok runners did it right and the only thing you'll find on their computers will be tele tubbies ) |
| 13:28.57 | harl | driving a car and listening to music is ok, music's (usually) got a melody and i usually don't care about the exact lyrics either, but an audiobook just transcribes to blah-blah, or a car accident, what comes first. |
| 13:29.31 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't have a problem doing both, but I've always got driving as my first mental task |
| 13:29.41 | harl | of course |
| 13:29.51 | VonhintenHOME` | Occassionally I'll be thinking about something else and have to do a quick rewind cause I miss something |
| 13:29.52 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: yes, because asking for reasons is too much and would eventially lead to problems in the depth of society |
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| 13:30.32 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm pretty good at figuring out if I missed something, can tell breaks in continuity |
| 13:30.34 | SunTsu | so, better put make up onto the symptoms than searching for reasons |
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| 13:35.08 | nevcairiel | bad timing with the election coming up, if you ask me |
| 13:36.58 | VonhintenHOME` | which shooting are you talking about? germany or alabama? |
| 13:37.35 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: both, because reactions them them will be alike, but I think nevcairiel is talking about german elections |
| 13:37.42 | sb|work | nevcairiel: why bad timing? |
| 13:37.48 | harl | 16 dead people.. i wonder, how can anyone be as stupid as to repeat the worst examples of action other people before him or her gave him (virtually, indirectly).. as if killing anyone would solve any of their stupidity.. |
| 13:37.51 | nevcairiel | politicians will use it even more! |
| 13:37.58 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: that depends on whose point of view... |
| 13:38.02 | VonhintenHOME` | lol harl |
| 13:38.03 | sb|work | mh not sure about that |
| 13:38.05 | VonhintenHOME` | They're nuts |
| 13:38.19 | VonhintenHOME` | How can you possibly rationalize it.. they're fucking batshit nuts |
| 13:38.25 | nevcairiel | Play on all the frightend parents "we'll ban all games, and your kids will be safe" |
| 13:39.26 | harl | rationalize? lol.. i'm just trying to see reasons, i'm not trying to make their actions look any less bad than they are. |
| 13:39.33 | SunTsu | harl: I am no psychologist, but I think people who do that build up a rage inside themselves that leads to a break out like that, at that point reason isn't their guide anymore |
| 13:39.54 | harl | might be.. |
| 13:40.57 | nevcairiel | the alabama one doesnt sound like they would pin it that much on games, that guy was 30 or something, eh? |
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| 13:41.47 | kenlyric | I could snap at any minute and I would blame gaming |
| 13:41.48 | VonhintenHOME` | it's a lot of conditions probably, ranging from poor parenting, no firm grounding in _reality_ (which could be from spending too much time in fantasy lands in games and tv/movies), hostile youth, and a thousand other things |
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| 13:42.40 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: OR spending too much time in fantasy lands is a symptom for their losing grip on reality |
| 13:42.54 | SunTsu | escapism of a sort |
| 13:43.12 | harl | well, well.. |
| 13:43.15 | VonhintenHOME` | could be |
| 13:43.50 | ilovemrdoe | I get http://paste.wowace.com/338/ with the latest classtimer and no bars show up at all |
| 13:43.52 | harl | i do that as well, but i'm absolutley never going to falsely mis-project that onto my surroundings or try to compensate my feelings/emotions by bad action |
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| 13:44.24 | SunTsu | but you never know until you are in their place, but I don#t think that you will understand then |
| 13:44.32 | VonhintenHOME` | I know this much, I've lost my temper as the result of video gaming many times... I also recall driving a go-cart around a rack for an hour or so, then driving my car home a little too aggressively... |
| 13:44.55 | nevcairiel | I just punch my table =P |
| 13:45.07 | VonhintenHOME` | I've punched a hole through a wood door before |
| 13:45.12 | VonhintenHOME` | PVP... |
| 13:45.45 | SunTsu | Oh, I lost my temper many times because of hard CvC - Customer vs. Customer on Christmas eve ;) |
| 13:46.10 | nevcairiel | Did you leave a massacre in the store? |
| 13:46.13 | harl | losing temper is a bad thing to me |
| 13:46.23 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Only in the candy department ;) |
| 13:46.29 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 13:47.11 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone seen that video of the german kid playing unreal tournament, screams for 15 solid minutes, like a lunatic, throws his keyboard, etc |
| 13:47.12 | harl | tries to follow the path of virtues |
| 13:47.24 | VonhintenHOME` | That's what I call an early warning sign |
| 13:47.30 | SunTsu | harl: to me it is not. because you have to lose it sometimes, or eventuell all pressure builts up inside yourself. As long as you find a way to harm nobody and nothing it sure is OK |
| 13:48.00 | SunTsu | eventually, I meant |
| 13:48.03 | harl | i try to not build up anything anywhere too much |
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| 13:54.49 | harl | btw, not wanting to unnecessarily split things there, but i just called it path of virtues because often my thoughts about that remind me of ultima, so it's nothing actually religious in a concrete meaning, it's just a leading for life, to make things right, make them better instead of worse - no matter which religion or whatever else there is. |
| 13:58.40 | SunTsu | harl: well, that sounds nice - until you start about what "better" is - and then it gets complicated ;) |
| 13:59.00 | harl | yes. i know. |
| 13:59.08 | SunTsu | please, somebody put "to think" where it belongs ;) |
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| 14:08.12 | VonhintenHOME` | God, I'd love to see Obama clean up Washington... |
| 14:08.40 | VonhintenHOME` | "President Obama on Wednesday will talk about new guidelines aimed at cutting down the number of earmarks in appropriations legislation, one day after the Senate passed a spending bill with nearly 9,000 earmarks, his administration said." |
| 14:08.55 | VonhintenHOME` | "Earmarks are unrelated pet projects that members of Congress insert in spending bills." |
| 14:09.19 | VonhintenHOME` | nearly 9000 |
| 14:09.27 | VonhintenHOME` | almost OVER 9000!!!! |
| 14:10.42 | harl | bad things happen everywhere. |
| 14:10.49 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r177 / (2 files in 1 directory): Minor changes. |
| 14:12.55 | harl | mmh.. lecker marmelade.. |
| 14:13.11 | harl | lol.. |
| 14:13.15 | nevcairiel | what now |
| 14:13.26 | nevcairiel | i prefer fresh fruit, though |
| 14:13.48 | harl | me too |
| 14:14.24 | harl | yet, i don't want to eat fresh fruit all day |
| 14:17.06 | steev | heh |
| 14:17.31 | steev | a buddy of mine just sent me an im "ding" - i autoresponded with grats... apparently its his birthday today |
| 14:17.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 14:22.54 | nevcairiel | Man the opera people are nuts, they want to force MS to advertise browser replacements during the windows setup, or even ship other browsers with the system |
| 14:23.18 | nevcairiel | If they succeed, that will open doors for the whole world to bloat up the windows install cds |
| 14:23.25 | VonhintenHOME` | well, considering you can't install a browser without a browser... |
| 14:24.15 | nevcairiel | sure you can |
| 14:24.21 | nevcairiel | you just can't download it |
| 14:24.22 | Stanzilla | the option to remove IE8 should be enough |
| 14:24.25 | Stanzilla | and that is in win7 |
| 14:24.35 | nevcairiel | I know Stanzilla, but Opera went on the fence again |
| 14:24.38 | Stanzilla | I know -.- |
| 14:24.39 | nevcairiel | trying with the EU Court again |
| 14:24.40 | Stanzilla | retards |
| 14:25.45 | SunTsu | sounds te opera people are having lots of fun |
| 14:26.44 | Stanzilla | funny thing is, the "uninstall" option in win7 removes the exe but not the dlls :p |
| 14:26.44 | nevcairiel | I seriously hope the court doesnt end up with some really silly decision |
| 14:27.03 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: alot of apps would probably stop working properly if it did |
| 14:27.07 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 14:27.14 | nevcairiel | many apps use the IE active-x controls for web display |
| 14:27.26 | nevcairiel | We all know its bad practice, but still =P |
| 14:27.40 | Stanzilla | I always laughed at the people that removed IE from their XP cds with tools like nlite |
| 14:27.47 | Stanzilla | and wondered why everything was broken |
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| 14:39.29 | Fisker- | your mom is bad practice |
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| 14:40.26 | Stanzilla | fiskers Fisker- |
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| 14:44.53 | waallen | Does anyone know which one of the PB4 revisions that have been released over-night (Europe) has broken the power bars? |
| 14:45.16 | nevcairiel | just yell at ckknight more |
| 14:45.36 | ckknight | what's allthis, then? |
| 14:45.39 | ckknight | waallen: run a bisect |
| 14:45.40 | ckknight | :P |
| 14:46.02 | waallen | alright! |
| 14:46.30 | ckknight | probably one of the last two revisions |
| 14:46.37 | ckknight | how are they "broken"? |
| 14:47.11 | Fisker- | btwai ckknight |
| 14:47.13 | Fisker- | Shefki fucked up pitbull again! |
| 14:47.14 | waallen | it is nothing major, it's just that the power bars are either empty (when power is 0) or completely filled (when power is greater than 0) |
| 14:47.22 | Fisker- | Power bars stay full etc |
| 14:47.25 | ckknight | hmm |
| 14:47.28 | ckknight | lemme check the code |
| 14:47.35 | nevcairiel | that sounds like a funny error |
| 14:48.17 | sztanpet | http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/tickets/254-deathknight-runic-power-bar-is-either-full-or-empty/ |
| 14:48.25 | sztanpet | duplicate of 256 |
| 14:48.26 | ckknight | durr |
| 14:48.28 | ckknight | found the bug |
| 14:48.36 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r299 ClassTimer.lua: add debuffType |
| 14:48.45 | waallen | nice Stanzilla :x |
| 14:48.57 | nevcairiel | durr is always an indicator for a really stupid typo =P |
| 14:49.32 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * 0b00cd0 Modules/PowerBar/PowerBar.lua: [+1 commit] it's current / max, not current / current. Should fix power bar issues. |
| 14:49.50 | digmouse | LF raid frame config |
| 14:50.22 | ckknight | how do you mean, digmouse? |
| 14:50.35 | SunTsu | .o0( too gut I never watched my runic power bar and used Acherus Runes for that ) |
| 14:50.47 | digmouse | uh, WTB raid frame config mode fix |
| 14:51.02 | sztanpet | theres no "party targets" in the unit list, so i cant configure those like party pets btw |
| 14:51.06 | SunTsu | s/gut/good/ - i really need new fingers, my old ones are typing b**lsh*t |
| 14:51.14 | ckknight | sztanpet: there was when I put em in. |
| 14:51.37 | sztanpet | lemme check again |
| 14:53.08 | Fisker- | i like you again ckknight |
| 14:53.12 | ckknight | k |
| 14:53.25 | SunTsu | ckknight: btw.: H=(wowace.com) [69.57.184.218]:60527 I=[217.24.215.50]:25 F=<www-data@wowace.com> rejected RCPT <wow@suntsu.org>: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 69.57.184.218 (failed): Sender verify failed |
| 14:53.43 | ckknight | hmm |
| 14:53.47 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 14:53.50 | sztanpet | nope, theres nothing |
| 14:53.58 | ckknight | sztanpet: you're not looking in the right place. |
| 14:53.58 | sztanpet | only party and party pets |
| 14:54.04 | ckknight | sztanpet: so make a new group. |
| 14:54.05 | sztanpet | im looking in groups |
| 14:54.12 | sztanpet | how can i do that |
| 14:54.21 | ckknight | at the top. |
| 14:54.21 | sztanpet | oh wait i see |
| 14:55.04 | sztanpet | on another note, when trying to move frames, the frame sticks to the mouse even after letting it go |
| 14:55.16 | sztanpet | so i cant position things |
| 14:55.35 | ckknight | yea, something Shefki did made it do that |
| 14:55.40 | SunTsu | ckknight: Please, tell somebody that the delivering mailserver needs some reverse lookup, lots of people verify senders for matching DNS lookups |
| 14:55.40 | ckknight | but just click on it again |
| 14:55.42 | ckknight | it should let go |
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| 14:55.59 | ckknight | SunTsu: tell Kaelten? |
| 14:56.06 | ckknight | wonder where he is... |
| 14:56.58 | sztanpet | it doesnt |
| 14:57.47 | SunTsu | Kaelten: ping ;) could you please look into that wowace's delivering mailserver (ip 69.57.184.218) gets a reverse DNS lookup? There are lots of MX that verify sender based on matching DNS lookups |
| 14:58.12 | SunTsu | that explains why I never get any subscription notofications |
| 14:58.29 | SunTsu | or notifications either |
| 14:59.23 | Fisker- | so Zarnivoop |
| 14:59.25 | Fisker- | i hate you now |
| 14:59.25 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 15:05.35 | do3mca | Kaelten: and while youre at it, curseforge (.215) has the same issue :D |
| 15:06.14 | do3mca | and fix myhostname in postfix' main.cf |
| 15:07.22 | do3mca | and while i look at it - whats the binary crap below that automated signature? ^^ |
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| 15:07.45 | kenlyric | I think you've abused your ping |
| 15:07.48 | kenlyric | 3 lines is an email |
| 15:07.49 | Kalroth | And two cups of coffee too |
| 15:12.09 | do3mca | ohwell. admins are rare nowadays :D |
| 15:12.29 | nevcairiel | nah just Kaelten |
| 15:14.06 | Kaelten | hi |
| 15:14.10 | Kaelten | g'morning all |
| 15:14.19 | ckknight | Kaelten: you take that back. |
| 15:14.24 | Kaelten | ok |
| 15:14.29 | Kaelten | g'morning everyone but ck |
| 15:14.34 | ckknight | <.< |
| 15:14.35 | ckknight | >.> |
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| 15:15.07 | do3mca | nevcairiel: see. only speak of the devil and he'll come up |
| 15:15.53 | Tinyboom | ckknight: ping |
| 15:15.57 | ckknight | hey Tinyboom |
| 15:15.59 | Tinyboom | yo |
| 15:16.07 | Fisker- | hey sexy Kaelten :3 |
| 15:16.16 | Tinyboom | any special reason your pb4 changelog is such a mess? :p |
| 15:16.28 | Tinyboom | I can never figure out what is the latest commit to it |
| 15:16.32 | ckknight | link |
| 15:16.35 | Kaelten | well I restarted my machine so I don't know what was sed before I came online |
| 15:16.37 | ckknight | I made fixes to it |
| 15:16.52 | SunTsu | Hey Kaelten, sorry we woke you up ;) |
| 15:16.54 | ckknight | k, if you see http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/files/502-r20090311144920/ |
| 15:17.00 | ckknight | the most recent commits are the ones at the top |
| 15:17.06 | Tinyboom | ahhh, much better now ck, you read my mind it seems :p |
| 15:17.07 | ckknight | it orders by date now |
| 15:17.12 | Tinyboom | thanks :) |
| 15:17.30 | Tinyboom | and afaik the hide in raid is in too right? |
| 15:17.44 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:17.44 | SunTsu | ckknight: it still has a touch of "wall of text" to it |
| 15:17.53 | ckknight | SunTsu: because there's a shitload of commits. |
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| 15:17.58 | Kaelten | so why am I rare again? |
| 15:18.00 | ckknight | I dunno what you expect :P |
| 15:18.11 | Tinyboom | wot is ok as long as the latest commit is at the top :) |
| 15:18.54 | SunTsu | ckknight: Yeah, but it's hard to make out who's done what because there is nothing that sets committers visual appart |
| 15:19.21 | ckknight | ...yes there is |
| 15:19.22 | SunTsu | like, for instance, multiple empty lines |
| 15:19.29 | ckknight | indentation |
| 15:19.30 | ckknight | :P |
| 15:19.45 | SunTsu | ckknight: hardly if you have commit messages wrapping |
| 15:19.51 | ckknight | yea... |
| 15:20.05 | ckknight | I'm contemplating making the changelogs in a different format |
| 15:20.08 | ckknight | i.e. not plain text |
| 15:20.11 | ckknight | I dunno, though |
| 15:20.22 | Tinyboom | bold text on authors or commit numbers, maybe a linebreak after each:) this is in CC though |
| 15:20.35 | SunTsu | some bold on the committers names would be a good change, or something |
| 15:21.20 | Tinyboom | for some reason CC also shows all commits done when choosing latest available, instead of the latest commit |
| 15:21.34 | Tinyboom | on pb4 that is :) |
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| 15:21.46 | ckknight | does the Curse Client support non-plain text changelogs? |
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| 15:23.56 | VonhintenHOME` | changelogs should be brief, why would you need anything else? |
| 15:24.25 | ckknight | it might be useful to have bold text, bullet points, etc. |
| 15:24.38 | VonhintenHOME` | if there's more info, redirect to a page |
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| 15:26.17 | VonhintenHOME` | "Additional fixes in XYZ Module (See detailed list at http://shitmost.peopledontread.com/) |
| 15:26.51 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 15:28.05 | VonhintenHOME` | imo, I'd be happy with: |
| 15:28.29 | Repo | 10mbb: 03pr0ff * r48 / (2 files in 1 directory): MBB:- |
| 15:28.29 | VonhintenHOME` | "Fixes for issues 12345, 23456, 34567" |
| 15:28.31 | Repo | add ruRU locale |
| 15:29.15 | ckknight | VonhintenHOME`: that's up to the author, you know. |
| 15:29.26 | VonhintenHOME` | sure |
| 15:29.42 | ckknight | unless they want to supply a manual changelog, we generate one from commit messages |
| 15:30.06 | nevcairiel | I prefer listing the actual issues fixed, so people see directly if their problem is gone |
| 15:30.34 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, I don't like seeing source control spam in a changelog |
| 15:30.51 | nevcairiel | well just naming the number of the issues doesnt help either |
| 15:30.52 | VonhintenHOME` | changelog should be end user facing |
| 15:30.52 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:31.04 | nevcairiel | the git changelog is nice |
| 15:31.08 | nevcairiel | svn not so much |
| 15:31.48 | VonhintenHOME` | sure it does, if they care they can go check the issues out. Obviously if there's a major breaking change, the changelog should note it. |
| 15:32.19 | VonhintenHOME` | Doesn't do an end user any good to see "Altered the way the sorting routine deals with duplicates" or something like that |
| 15:33.18 | nevcairiel | Maybe not, but it does them good if it says "Added an option to sort in both directions", or "Fixed reverse sorting" |
| 15:33.28 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: that depends on what kind of level end user - I am mostly end user and I am interested in a detailed change log, it helps me make decisions on whether I need the update or I don't |
| 15:33.29 | nevcairiel | If it just says "Fixed issue 7, implemented suggestion 8" |
| 15:33.32 | nevcairiel | how good is that :D |
| 15:34.40 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd put you in the minority Sun, for sure... most people once they start using an addon are going to pull updates when they're available, not disect them and determine if there's changes worth grabbing |
| 15:35.31 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: that's the kind of user who won't read the change log at all, so why worry about them? |
| 15:36.19 | VonhintenHOME` | Well, that's no entirely true... one of the things I really miss from jwu is the compiled changelog of all updated addons... something CC doesn't give me |
| 15:36.36 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't look at the changelogs in CC because... well.. it's a pain in my ass |
| 15:37.56 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: I miss JWU, too, mostly because without it I have to do all updates manually, because CC won't run under wine for me. So I need to read changelogs before updating ;) |
| 15:38.27 | nevcairiel | CC works with wine, just the updater doesnt |
| 15:38.53 | nevcairiel | (the updater for the client itself, not for addons) |
| 15:39.16 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: BUT: that kind of enduser who just updates, no matter what, will cry a river when something breaks, even if there is written ALPHA all over the addon or if there is a remark in the changelog |
| 15:40.02 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Nope, for me it won't run, freezes everytime I try it out. So I resort to updating by hand |
| 15:40.47 | SunTsu | maybe at that point wine/FreeBSD != wine/Linux, I just don't know why |
| 15:41.34 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, yeah, well... people complain. At least people are actually releasing products these days, instead of keeping them beta forever |
| 15:43.15 | harl | is there a way to extract a specific wow sound? like with an mpq viewer or something? |
| 15:44.19 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03Stanzilla * r300 ClassTimer.lua: fix duration |
| 15:44.47 | EthanCentaurai | harl: http://shadowflare.samods.org/dwnload.html#WinMPQ |
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| 15:51.32 | harl | EthanCentaurai: thanks. i've managed to start that program, but not to open any of wow's mpq files. it's telling me that it couldn't find any MPQ archive when i try to. |
| 15:52.38 | harl | anything additional i have to do to enable it to read the structure in these files? |
| 15:52.55 | EthanCentaurai | I don't know, I don't use it :D |
| 15:53.14 | harl | i see.. |
| 15:53.24 | EthanCentaurai | I used to, but that was before I bought my Mac... |
| 15:54.28 | EthanCentaurai | perhaps the archive integrity was changed? I haven't used it since 2.3 |
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| 15:59.25 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.curseforge.com/markup-types/ by ckknight |
| 15:59.40 | ckknight | hey all, we now support Markdown and Textile |
| 15:59.43 | ckknight | cause I was like, why not? |
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| 16:00.25 | Hjalte | What is the difference between [link] and [url] ? |
| 16:00.33 | ckknight | nothing, Hjalte |
| 16:01.05 | Hjalte | They just have different descriptions :) |
| 16:01.07 | harl | found a more uptodate version of an mpq viewer-like program at http://www.zezula.net/mpq.html |
| 16:01.17 | ckknight | hehe |
| 16:01.18 | digmouse | ck: able to set PitBull4 portrait out of the unitframe? |
| 16:01.20 | harl | seems to at least list some files |
| 16:01.27 | ckknight | digmouse: yep. |
| 16:01.38 | digmouse | like dragging it to anywhere you want |
| 16:01.53 | digmouse | then I can kill ZMobDB XD |
| 16:02.21 | ulic | ckknight: yesterday in pitbull, I disabled ToToT frame, but it still showed up, should I ticket that? |
| 16:02.26 | ulic | pb4 that is |
| 16:02.45 | ckknight | yea, just give proper steps to reproduce |
| 16:02.56 | ulic | 10-4 |
| 16:07.44 | digmouse | ck: is there any tickets existing about my portrait request or I can submit one? |
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| 16:12.46 | Torhal | SunTsu: With the CC, when it freezes, kill its zombies and it should work flawlessly. |
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| 16:19.27 | ckknight | digmouse: what request? |
| 16:19.50 | digmouse | move portrait out of the unit frame |
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| 16:27.15 | SunTsu | Torhal: thanks, but, I am fairly contempt with my modus operandus right now - and as soon as I start getting changes via mail from wowace again it will be all I need |
| 16:27.25 | ckknight | digmouse: you can move it out of the unit frame |
| 16:27.30 | Torhal | kk |
| 16:27.31 | ckknight | digmouse: just not to any arbitrary position |
| 16:27.37 | digmouse | how? |
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| 16:28.02 | digmouse | didnt figure out there is any detailed position options for portraits |
| 16:28.09 | ulic | digmouse: do you want to move it independantly of the unit frame? |
| 16:28.38 | digmouse | ye, not really, like move it to the outside corner of the UF will be OK |
| 16:30.14 | ckknight | yea, that's doable. |
| 16:30.14 | digmouse | see, I'll try, but now, get off work and go home |
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| 16:34.40 | Axodious | http://dvice.com/archives/2009/03/what_happens_wh_1.php <- someone buy me 24 SSDs |
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| 16:40.40 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r442 spell.lua: Fix Ticket-31 |
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| 16:41.37 | NivFreak | ~seen sylvanaar |
| 16:41.59 | purl | sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 4h 52m 9s ago, saying: 'its really tedious'. |
| 16:43.35 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry 07v1.9.6 * r443 spell.lua: merge r442 (working fix for CowTip) |
| 16:45.04 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry 04v1.9.6b-release * r444 : Tagging as v1.9.6b |
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| 16:55.56 | SqueeG | did anything replace aceOO-2.0? |
| 16:56.46 | sztanpet | @project liboop |
| 16:56.47 | Repo | sztanpet: http://www.wowace.com/projects/liboop/. LibOOP. Game: WoW. taleden (Manager/Author). Updated: 38 days ago |
| 16:58.01 | SqueeG | hm, thank you |
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| 16:59.47 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry 07v1.9.6 * r445 mmochamp.lua: add missing reference to the Locale table |
| 17:00.38 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry 04v1.9.6c-release * r446 : |
| 17:00.41 | Repo | That's when you think that a patch is so safe it doesn't need checking that you really really need to check. |
| 17:02.05 | SqueeG | xD |
| 17:04.52 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/8246458840-blessing-of-wisdom--mana-spring-totem-change.html |
| 17:05.06 | Stanzilla | our paladins just partied |
| 17:09.15 | Hjalte | So do shamans have any party buffs left? |
| 17:09.24 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:09.26 | Xinhuan | dranei aura |
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| 17:09.59 | nevcairiel | party buffs need to die alltogethere |
| 17:10.07 | nevcairiel | although, that other mana totem |
| 17:10.10 | nevcairiel | only restos get |
| 17:11.16 | sb|work | hm then you have to remove judgement of wisdom |
| 17:11.25 | sb|work | whats wrong with mana tide? |
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| 17:12.27 | nevcairiel | what does the judgement have to do with it now ? :D |
| 17:12.47 | harl | damn. i can't find the death knight's pet-ghoul sounds.. |
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| 17:19.14 | Larana | Is it a bug that the Curse Client no longer removes an addon from the 'Find an Addon' tab once it's been installed? |
| 17:19.47 | ulic | I think I'd still want to be able to find it in the global list if I did a search, just my opinion though. |
| 17:20.51 | Larana | It'd be nice if the addon had a star by it or something. |
| 17:21.15 | Fisker- | lets kill nevcairiel |
| 17:21.48 | Larana | I just installed Mapster, I may need him... can we just maim him instead? |
| 17:24.02 | nevcairiel | if you need me after installing Mapster, i did something wrong |
| 17:24.06 | Fisker- | Zarnivoop |
| 17:24.40 | harl | lol, Fisker-.. no.. |
| 17:25.06 | Zarnivoop | Fisker-: yes? |
| 17:25.25 | Larana | Lol, I was just teasing |
| 17:25.27 | Fisker- | why does the minimap button keep appearing even after being forced to reset my profile? (fu btw) |
| 17:26.45 | harl | refuring to which add-on? |
| 17:26.47 | Zarnivoop | probably a side effect of when I fixed profiles borking it up last night |
| 17:27.09 | Fisker- | fixitfixitfixit? |
| 17:27.43 | Camci | on WIM? |
| 17:27.46 | Camci | yea fix it ! |
| 17:27.57 | Camci | also smiles comes back after relogging |
| 17:28.03 | harl | i see minimap buttons of easydnd and spamsentry reappearing when the add-ons get an update. wonder why. not that it really bothers me, but i don't see a real reason either. |
| 17:28.06 | Camci | even if i disable it |
| 17:28.16 | Fisker- | talking about skada here |
| 17:28.27 | Camci | oh right |
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| 17:29.15 | Pkekyo| | is there any way to freeze a WoW account? |
| 17:29.46 | harl | like.. don't pay for it? |
| 17:30.02 | [draco] | select GTC payment |
| 17:30.11 | [draco] | and let it run out of time |
| 17:30.22 | harl | i hear it'll still keep the characters for about 180 days without payment |
| 17:30.24 | Pkekyo| | thing is, I'm in the middle of a six month subscription and won't be able to play for some time |
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| 17:30.32 | harl | oh |
| 17:30.40 | harl | then i dunno |
| 17:30.52 | nevcairiel | I don't think you can just "freeze" it |
| 17:30.57 | Pkekyo| | so I was wondering if there was any alternative to just letting the subscription run out |
| 17:30.58 | nevcairiel | maybe ask customer service |
| 17:31.12 | Pkekyo| | kinda sucks to waste three months of gametime |
| 17:31.22 | cncfanatics | what glyphs do people suggest for holy priests ? |
| 17:31.22 | [draco] | yeah |
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| 17:31.27 | Funkeh` | you spin me right round baby right round |
| 17:31.30 | cncfanatics | I'm currently going with CoH/PoH & flash |
| 17:31.37 | harl | i don't think you can either. bliz seems to be pretty like "you've done something you don't like, that's your own fault". |
| 17:31.39 | Funkeh` | like a record baby right round right round |
| 17:31.51 | Funkeh` | yes it was the last song driving home |
| 17:32.05 | [draco] | I'm a big fan of the PW:S glyph |
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| 17:32.18 | [draco] | So I'd go for CoH, flash, PW:S |
| 17:32.53 | cncfanatics | I don't like the pw:s glyph as holy |
| 17:32.54 | Axodious | i hope they put that aoe pw:s back in |
| 17:33.02 | cncfanatics | rarely use pw:s |
| 17:33.08 | Axodious | actually made disc kinda usefull |
| 17:33.34 | ckknight | woo |
| 17:33.43 | ckknight | wowace and curseforge finally validate their html |
| 17:33.50 | Axodious | gratz |
| 17:33.54 | nevcairiel | as what? =P |
| 17:33.59 | cncfanatics | html 4.0 prolly |
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| 17:34.09 | cncfanatics | closing every tag gets you validated :p |
| 17:34.10 | Axodious | trans or strict? |
| 17:34.19 | ckknight | html5 |
| 17:34.22 | cncfanatics | told ya :p |
| 17:34.23 | [draco] | cncfanatics: renew glyph is nice, too |
| 17:34.24 | nevcairiel | I was into the whole XHTML for a while, until i realized its just silly |
| 17:34.29 | ckknight | nevcairiel: same |
| 17:34.38 | Axodious | nice |
| 17:34.40 | ckknight | nevcairiel: now we call outselves html5 since it's easier than html4 |
| 17:34.41 | ckknight | :P |
| 17:34.42 | nevcairiel | And since HTML5 is still soemwhat unfinished and unsupported.. |
| 17:34.43 | cncfanatics | xhtml transitional validation is kinda nice |
| 17:34.50 | ckknight | we just don't use the new tags |
| 17:34.52 | cncfanatics | but strict is just meh |
| 17:35.19 | ckknight | nevcairiel: well, all browsers treat it as strict mode, which is what matters |
| 17:35.32 | Axodious | the code i did for my guilds site is 4 strict... but the forum i streamlined into it is trans |
| 17:35.37 | Axodious | kinda annoying >_< |
| 17:35.57 | Axodious | and the main reason it's trans... /> |
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| 17:36.17 | ckknight | and now it validates as html5 |
| 17:36.22 | ckknight | but it wouldn't as html4 |
| 17:36.25 | ckknight | since <br /> isn't proper html4 |
| 17:36.27 | ckknight | but we use it in some places |
| 17:36.32 | ckknight | but browsers handle it fine |
| 17:36.35 | Axodious | yeah |
| 17:37.14 | Axodious | i just realised the only reason my site isn't 4 strict is because of <br /> |
| 17:37.15 | Axodious | >_> |
| 17:37.29 | Fisker- | what's so awesome about html5? |
| 17:37.35 | Axodious | it's new! |
| 17:37.37 | Axodious | ish |
| 17:37.51 | ckknight | html5 doesn't pretend to be sgml |
| 17:38.04 | ckknight | its parsing spec is done to be how browsers actually do it |
| 17:38.21 | ckknight | also, it adds new tags and such |
| 17:38.24 | ckknight | like <canvas> |
| 17:38.28 | cncfanatics | how are u suposed to do <br /> in strict oO |
| 17:38.33 | ckknight | cncfanatics: <br> |
| 17:38.38 | Axodious | you don't |
| 17:38.53 | cncfanatics | so, br just has no close tag in strict then ? |
| 17:38.58 | Axodious | yea |
| 17:39.14 | cncfanatics | doesn't make much sense if its being parsed as xml imo |
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| 17:39.28 | genetik- | cncfanatics: <br /> is xhtml |
| 17:39.45 | genetik- | they're talking about html 5 |
| 17:39.57 | cncfanatics | oh meh, confused |
| 17:40.02 | genetik- | heh.. yeah, i was at first too |
| 17:40.17 | genetik- | "what? not valid? nonsense!" |
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| 17:40.51 | ckknight | html5 supports <br> or <br /> |
| 17:40.54 | ckknight | both perfectly valid. |
| 17:41.02 | Windcape | hi, if I want to avoid writing a xml file like this http://pastebin.com/m262a3d82 , to set the loading event to a custom lua function in my addon, how would I do it ? |
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| 17:43.05 | Axodious | lol i think i was the one confusing everyone |
| 17:43.18 | Axodious | i was talking about my site with html 4 and <br /> |
| 17:43.55 | Axodious | the forum i use on my site is xhtml but the index page i made is html 4 strict |
| 17:50.30 | Fisker- | I AM GOING FUCKING NUTS OVER THESE SHIT SPECS |
| 17:50.41 | Zarnivoop | Windcape: you can create a Frame with CreateFrame() in your .lua file |
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| 17:51.44 | Windcape | mm, reading a bit up on it on wowwiki now. But when defining the given OnEvent action, do I always need to pass self, event do it? |
| 17:51.59 | Windcape | ie. local function myOnEvent(self, event) ... end |
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| 17:52.30 | Fisker- | I can't believe it's not a holy paladin with 1/5 Kings |
| 17:53.11 | Fisker- | And i can't believe it's not a prot paladin without Pursuit of Justice but still had the idea to put points in ret |
| 17:55.51 | Axodious | lol Fisker- |
| 17:56.04 | Axodious | the other fun one is a ret paladin with 1/5 kings |
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| 18:00.31 | Axodious | so, i haven't done xhtml before, the validator says things like "there is no attribute 'type'" for an input.... how do you put an input in then? |
| 18:02.19 | Windcape | default input type is text |
| 18:02.37 | Axodious | yeah, but what if you want say a radio button |
| 18:02.43 | Windcape | but looking though the DTD now, I can't belive that validator message |
| 18:03.17 | Windcape | <!ATTLIST input ... ype %InputType; "text" |
| 18:03.26 | Windcape | <!ATTLIST input ... type %InputType; "text" |
| 18:03.27 | Windcape | even |
| 18:03.48 | Axodious | o_o |
| 18:05.50 | Windcape | the validator simply validates your xhtml up against the given DTD, one of them be http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd |
| 18:06.29 | Windcape | hmm, wondering when they'll switch to schema instead of DTD :) |
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| 18:07.39 | Axodious | think i'll stick to html strict until i get off my ass and learn asp or something |
| 18:08.01 | durcyn | learning asp is no way to go through life |
| 18:08.12 | Axodious | i just finished learning tableless html >_> |
| 18:08.21 | Axodious | durcyn i said or something! |
| 18:10.24 | Fisker- | patiently awaits the total bar |
| 18:12.10 | Windcape | what's the type for a Map/HashMap/Dictionary called in lua? |
| 18:13.19 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r134 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fixed minimap button refusing to stay hidden. |
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| 18:15.12 | VonhintenHOME` | Windcape, essentially lua has tables |
| 18:15.37 | Windcape | how would I go on defining one? need something with a string index key |
| 18:15.49 | VonhintenHOME` | that's a table |
| 18:15.59 | VonhintenHOME` | ~pil |
| 18:16.00 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:17.08 | Windcape | cheers |
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| 19:33.22 | Fisker- | this one goes to 11 |
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| 19:38.23 | NeoTron | ahah I never saw this: "WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish" as the <title> on WMO |
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| 19:56.49 | Fisker- | your mom didn't see it |
| 19:56.50 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 19:57.37 | NivFreak | http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22654 |
| 19:57.38 | NivFreak | so much for WoW killer |
| 19:58.57 | EvilJohn- | the only thing that can kill wow, is wow. |
| 19:59.11 | EvilJohn- | this just in, the fantasy MMO genre is full. |
| 19:59.53 | pentium166 | the article says they launched with 500,000 and now have 300,000 active subscriptions |
| 20:00.04 | pentium166 | that doesn't seem that bad to me |
| 20:00.05 | Shefki | this just in, making an mmo is a long, expensive, complicated and incredibly risky venture. |
| 20:00.21 | genetik- | i'm still looking forward to see how star trek online turns out |
| 20:00.38 | Shefki | pentium166: It's not horrible, but 500k or so seems to be the point most MMOs need to survive. |
| 20:01.47 | Fisker- | I'm looking forward to seeing blizzard's new mmo |
| 20:02.38 | Shefki | As long as it isn't a fantasy MMO... |
| 20:02.38 | EvilJohn- | Shefki: depends on your costs. |
| 20:03.12 | Shefki | EvilJohn-: Well I should say mass marketed MMO's. There's certainly little mom and pops that survive on less. |
| 20:03.30 | EvilJohn- | Eve seems to be doing fine, I suspect LOTRO is solid shape as well |
| 20:03.32 | Shefki | But I can't think of any mass marketed one that has lasted very long with less than 500k. |
| 20:03.52 | Shefki | Eve has 500k at least. Not sure about LOTRO |
| 20:04.05 | Shefki | FFXI is limping along on 500k too. |
| 20:04.39 | NivFreak | http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html |
| 20:05.04 | NivFreak | http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html |
| 20:05.13 | EvilJohn- | the data is old |
| 20:05.23 | EvilJohn- | and still an incredible amount of guess work |
| 20:05.34 | NivFreak | yea, almost a year old actually |
| 20:05.56 | Shefki | And most of those games I wouldn't really consider surviving really. |
| 20:06.05 | Lukian | http://winterblink.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/learningcurve.jpg |
| 20:06.49 | NivFreak | lol |
| 20:07.10 | Shefki | E.G. SWG |
| 20:07.14 | Shefki | Is that even still up? |
| 20:08.00 | End | looks like it, at a glance |
| 20:08.08 | Shefki | Yeah I'm shocked. |
| 20:08.18 | Shefki | I thought that fell apart after they ruined the game. |
| 20:08.30 | NivFreak | what will be more amusing is, if blizzard fails to replace wow |
| 20:08.35 | NivFreak | MMO #2 flops |
| 20:08.37 | Fisker- | i should be ashamed of myself |
| 20:08.41 | Fisker- | died to recoil on loatheb |
| 20:08.45 | Fisker- | gg having good gear |
| 20:08.50 | NivFreak | Fisker-: ret pally? |
| 20:08.52 | Fisker- | ye |
| 20:08.54 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 20:08.56 | Fisker- | :( |
| 20:08.59 | NivFreak | I always push it on my pally |
| 20:09.15 | NivFreak | I bribe healers though |
| 20:09.25 | Fisker- | healing aint much of a problem here :P |
| 20:09.40 | Fisker- | Just more that i'm starting to do so much damage that i cannot sustain a full period without healing :( |
| 20:09.47 | Shefki | I usually try to get ret pallies a rejuv. |
| 20:09.53 | Fisker- | why? |
| 20:10.08 | Fisker- | I don't think hots work after the cutoff time? |
| 20:10.42 | Shefki | I meant in general. |
| 20:11.02 | Shefki | On loatheb Ret Pallies are often targets of swiftmend though. |
| 20:12.24 | Shefki | Not as much as the tank but sometimes the tank needs no real healing so it's better to use the swiftmend on someone else and the lowest target is often a ret pally. |
| 20:13.20 | EvilJohn- | beacon the ret pally |
| 20:13.22 | quiescens | healing on loatheb is only remotely a problem because healing ends up overlapping with each other |
| 20:13.25 | EvilJohn- | heal the MT |
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| 20:27.50 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.6.6-beta2 CHANGELOG.txt: [+1 commit] write changelog |
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| 20:34.04 | Fisker- | Saphirron is awesome to mess with healers with |
| 20:34.15 | Fisker- | being second highest healer = win |
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| 20:38.55 | selckin | i like fights where ret paladins so more self damage then the mt takes |
| 20:39.04 | Gnarfoz | <Fisker-> Just more that i'm starting to do so much damage that i cannot sustain a full period without healing :( <-- 2nd'd |
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| 20:41.29 | NeoTron | I like fights where the ret pally kills himself with SotMartyr and fucks up immortal |
| 20:41.33 | NeoTron | lolglutgh |
| 20:41.51 | selckin | i like how you still hurt yourself even when bubbled |
| 20:41.51 | waallen | we had that once |
| 20:42.46 | SqueeG | SWG is surviving mostly in a private server push apparently |
| 20:43.12 | SqueeG | there's this group of people that've been working on remaking SWG before "the changes" |
| 20:44.08 | SqueeG | Is DDO still around? O_o |
| 20:45.02 | Gnarfoz | selckin: you don't, actually :o |
| 20:45.23 | Gnarfoz | selckin: or rather, you don't get decimated if you're bubbled |
| 20:45.48 | selckin | seal of matyr still self harms if bubbled unless patched semi recently |
| 20:46.05 | Gnarfoz | ah ok, wasn't talking about that |
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| 21:01.55 | Stanzilla | Shefki: http://ace.pastey.net/109978 more taint fun for you |
| 21:03.17 | Arrowmaster | thats not taint |
| 21:03.31 | Arrowmaster | thats pitbull4 trying to do stuff it cant do in combat anyway it seems |
| 21:03.54 | Shefki | No that's the secure templates sucking. |
| 21:06.09 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Those calls are coming from configureChildren which is part of the secure templates. |
| 21:06.31 | Shefki | So either ck goofed something up with the new raid frames and tainted something or secure templates just sucks. |
| 21:06.45 | Shefki | Given my experience, it's probably both. |
| 21:07.42 | ckknight | meanie. |
| 21:07.59 | Shefki | Probably the ForceUnitFrameCreation() workaround for the crapiness of securetemplates isn't making enough frames. |
| 21:08.21 | Shefki | So then Blizzard's code tries to make more frames. |
| 21:08.32 | Shefki | Which works from their perspective... |
| 21:08.48 | Shefki | But we can't really setup the frames to do anything becuase we're not allowed to do what we need in combat. |
| 21:08.54 | Shefki | Did I mention that securetemplates suck? |
| 21:09.39 | Shefki | There's only one solution to this problem... Blizzard having to write their own unit frames using the code we use. |
| 21:10.05 | ckknight | in unrelated news, once we launch the author reward points system, would people mind taking a picture of them being happy with whatever cool shit they buy? It'd be good PR. |
| 21:10.15 | Shefki | If the only secure code in the game was the templates... and Blizzard's own UI was considered tainted except for the templates... Then they would have to deal with the same crappy system we did. |
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| 21:10.51 | Shefki | And I'm willing to bet the system would get fixed. |
| 21:11.04 | ckknight | Shefki: quite. |
| 21:11.27 | Shefki | </rant> |
| 21:17.10 | Vangual | mmm, to risk flooding pb4 comments with dk's wondering why they get a totem frame... or not |
| 21:17.31 | Vangual | rise dead is such a hack |
| 21:17.46 | Shefki | Yeah I saw that code. |
| 21:18.10 | Vangual | blizzard themselves don't even bother to lower MAX_TOTEMS down to one for dks |
| 21:18.31 | Shefki | Vangual: Just make a rise dead module for dk's |
| 21:19.41 | Shefki | Then when Blizzard changes it from their horrible hack we won't have to extract it from the totem UI. |
| 21:19.44 | Vangual | dunno, the existing totem logic works fine, it's prolly just overkill for a rarely used class mechanic. prolly end up with a totem-lite |
| 21:20.17 | Vangual | making the existing module work is really just lifting the check for the shaman class, i've written it universal enough |
| 21:20.49 | Vangual | it's the player confusion i'm worried about only. |
| 21:21.04 | Shefki | Vangual: Make the module identify itself as something else to DeathKnights. :P |
| 21:21.44 | Shefki | local player_class = UnitClass("player") |
| 21:21.56 | Vangual | hmm "Untalented Ghoul display (actually Totems)" |
| 21:22.45 | Vangual | is the SetName'd name used in 100% of all shown labels? |
| 21:22.45 | Shefki | if player_class == "SHAMAN" then PitBull4_Totems:SetName(L["Totems"]) else PitBull4_Totems:SetName(L["Blizzard sucks"]) end |
| 21:22.55 | Shefki | Vangual: Believe so. |
| 21:23.33 | Shefki | Only confusion then is when we split the modules. |
| 21:24.13 | ckknight | DKs have totems? |
| 21:24.14 | ckknight | wtf? |
| 21:24.26 | Shefki | ckknight: You really don't want to know. |
| 21:24.36 | ckknight | please enlighten me |
| 21:24.38 | Shefki | But since you asked. |
| 21:24.51 | Shefki | The deathknights Ghoul shows a totem timer for the time left on it. |
| 21:24.53 | Shefki | If it's untalented. |
| 21:24.59 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:25.09 | Shefki | Blizzard just hacked it into the Totem Timer UI. |
| 21:25.53 | ckknight | goddamn you, Blizzard |
| 21:26.22 | Vangual | to make it worse, once the ghoul talent is taken in addition it becomes a pet instead of a totem |
| 21:26.27 | Shefki | So Vangual and I were discussing what to do with the Totem Module to give the functionality to DeathKnights without confusing them as to why they have a totem timer. |
| 21:26.44 | Hirsute | You can't. |
| 21:26.52 | Hirsute | Most DKs are confused by oatmeal. |
| 21:26.57 | Vangual | hehe |
| 21:27.25 | ckknight | Shefki: I think changing the name dynamically would be sane ... mostly |
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| 21:28.11 | Hirsute | wishes Blizz would allow Locks and DKs to name their own pets. |
| 21:28.31 | Shefki | But that would require work. |
| 21:28.35 | Hirsute | My blueberry's name is particularly dumb. Vrukhaz, or something. |
| 21:28.51 | durcyn | once upon a time when PetAbandon() worked on demons.. |
| 21:29.01 | EthanCentaurai | I think my guild hate me now... |
| 21:29.12 | EthanCentaurai | s/hate/hates/ |
| 21:29.27 | Shefki | And obviously Hunters are more mature and able to name pets than Warlocks and DeathKnights. |
| 21:29.44 | Shefki | Hunters would never abuse a PTR bug like the DeathKnights unlimited range/free seed. |
| 21:29.50 | Shefki | errm warlocks* |
| 21:30.07 | pentium166 | or unlimited range arcane missiles on live |
| 21:30.18 | Hirsute | Shefki: *nod*. Next time I see a hunter pet named after genitals... |
| 21:30.33 | EthanCentaurai | we were going through Heroic Naxx when BigWigs bugged out causing my entire UI to cease functioning, causing us to wipe on Anub'Rekhan... |
| 21:30.34 | Hirsute | In a not-so-cleverly disguised way. |
| 21:30.48 | vhaarr | I don't believe you |
| 21:30.57 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: bugs out how? |
| 21:31.05 | vhaarr | I'm running bw in all raids every week, it has never done that |
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| 21:31.16 | EthanCentaurai | BigWigs-2.0 |cffff8888r4997|r\\Libs\\AceLibrary\\AceLibrary.lua:218: cannot change a protected metatable\nBigWigs-2.0 |cffff8888r4997|r\\Libs\\AceLibrary\\AceLibrary.lua:218 |
| 21:31.21 | Shefki | vhaarr: Stop ruining his story with logic. |
| 21:31.48 | Shefki | EthanCentaurai: THat's not even necessarily a Bigwigs issue. |
| 21:31.51 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: that's not a bigwigs error, it just reports from BigWigs because that's the first addon that loads the AceLibrary |
| 21:31.55 | Shefki | That's in the AceLIbrary embedded in BigWigs. |
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| 21:32.26 | EthanCentaurai | ...well, BigWigs is the only Ace2 mod I have installed... |
| 21:32.37 | vhaarr | doesn't matter, AceLibrary handles LibStub libraries as well |
| 21:32.38 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: some other addon you have is causing the issue. |
| 21:33.12 | EthanCentaurai | hunts |
| 21:34.52 | EthanCentaurai | I see it |
| 21:35.12 | EthanCentaurai | ...I think |
| 21:37.24 | EthanCentaurai | hmm... BW_HealbotAssist seems to be the culprit |
| 21:37.57 | EthanCentaurai | it moaned about missing Tablet, but I still don't see why it would want to change a protected table :/ |
| 21:38.14 | durcyn | why would you have healbotassist installed, that's for old naxx |
| 21:38.30 | durcyn | get rid of it, shoo |
| 21:38.36 | EthanCentaurai | because I've never done either Naxx before :P |
| 21:38.40 | EthanCentaurai | gets rid of it |
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| 21:41.52 | EthanCentaurai | looks like that's solved it... still, I wonder why changing a protected table caused every frame to lose their methods |
| 21:42.14 | EthanCentaurai | raiding with only the minimap and one buff shown is not fun |
| 21:43.06 | ulic | I thought it was the new hard mode. |
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| 21:44.53 | EthanCentaurai | lol |
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| 21:56.17 | SqueeG | O_o |
| 21:56.23 | SqueeG | Anyone use skillet? |
| 21:56.34 | Nechckn | sure |
| 21:57.05 | SqueeG | I think i might have fixed it's crazy issue with leaving your recipes sorted, then learning new ones O_o |
| 21:57.15 | Nechckn | I know alot of folks are beginning to like Cauldron off of CurseForge/Curse, too. |
| 21:57.34 | SqueeG | oooh, haven't seen that xD |
| 21:57.50 | Nechckn | yeah, I've not used it, but it's an option, anyway. |
| 21:58.05 | Nechckn | I'm not sure I know of this issue you are taling about |
| 21:58.30 | Nechckn | I use the little sparky clone version... it is slightly different than the generic Skillet |
| 21:58.43 | SqueeG | I stuck with generic |
| 21:58.58 | SqueeG | No offense to sparky, but he added a lot I didn't really care for :p |
| 21:59.22 | SqueeG | He likes feature-rich stuff though |
| 21:59.23 | Nechckn | understandable |
| 21:59.29 | Neebler | modular is the way to go! |
| 21:59.46 | SqueeG | Is his version modular? O_o |
| 22:00.20 | Nechckn | I don't know of any that are... unless you mean that Cauldron is, Neebler |
| 22:00.42 | Nechckn | ATSW and Skillet are sort of all or nothing |
| 22:00.42 | SqueeG | I need to buy some blacksmithing plans! must test this >.< |
| 22:01.32 | Nechckn | SqueeG does it not automatically include new recipes or something? |
| 22:02.04 | Nechckn | I play on 6 different characters, all have basically different profs and haven't noticed any issues, to be honest. |
| 22:02.08 | SqueeG | hrm.... with vanilla skillet when you would be ... s ay grinding some trade levels |
| 22:02.12 | SqueeG | and have your items sorted |
| 22:02.14 | Nechckn | **I may not be paying close enough attention, though. |
| 22:02.18 | SqueeG | then went to learn new ones |
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| 22:02.27 | SqueeG | next time you opened skillet, it'd throw an error |
| 22:02.35 | Nechckn | Ahhh... gotcha |
| 22:02.42 | bperlo | Hello all |
| 22:02.52 | SqueeG | nothing game breaking, it was just annoying :p |
| 22:02.55 | Nechckn | I can't say I've seen that one, though |
| 22:02.55 | SqueeG | I don't like errors >.> |
| 22:02.58 | Nechckn | lol, yeah |
| 22:03.04 | Nechckn | hello, bperlo |
| 22:03.09 | SqueeG | heya bper |
| 22:03.34 | bperlo | I was wondering if anyone could assist me |
| 22:03.45 | bperlo | I'm having issues with my wow its unplayabler |
| 22:03.49 | bperlo | no r :p |
| 22:04.12 | Nechckn | okay, what's the issue? |
| 22:04.23 | Hirsute | That doesn't give a lot of information. Unplayable, how? |
| 22:04.36 | bperlo | I have a dual boot machine and i'm running a clean install of xp and kde and a clean install of wow |
| 22:04.39 | SqueeG | Turn on EZ Mode, make a DK ;) |
| 22:04.51 | bperlo | Ha! |
| 22:04.55 | bperlo | Yeah i would |
| 22:05.25 | bperlo | however the game will hang up on me i stil have cursor control and sound still plays smoothly but the game is having hangups |
| 22:05.34 | bperlo | i have over the recommended specs |
| 22:05.42 | SqueeG | can you alt+tab and do other things? |
| 22:05.58 | bperlo | yes and no |
| 22:06.15 | SqueeG | Well does the rest of the PC freeze, or just wow? |
| 22:06.22 | SqueeG | And have you tried other games? |
| 22:06.24 | bperlo | yes when it does it for a while but then no because it will lock up and do nothing ctrl+alt+delete doesn't work nothing |
| 22:06.47 | Nechckn | hrm... do you run a *lot* of addons? |
| 22:06.57 | bperlo | I have pandora radio running in the background though i have tried with and without it on and has no effect to my issue |
| 22:07.02 | Nechckn | maybe try with none to see if you are running into some memory issue |
| 22:07.05 | bperlo | nope just quest helper |
| 22:07.10 | bperlo | i just started |
| 22:07.34 | bperlo | I alt tabbed when it started and looked at my system stats and it wasn't eve half way used up |
| 22:07.37 | SqueeG | Your video card drives are up to date? |
| 22:07.41 | bperlo | yeap |
| 22:07.43 | Shefki | QuestHelper... *sigh* |
| 22:07.56 | Nechckn | Hmm.. there was an issue with QH, if I remember right. |
| 22:08.01 | Nechckn | I don't use it myself |
| 22:08.07 | Nechckn | lemme see here |
| 22:08.07 | SqueeG | Does it ever give you an Error? |
| 22:08.09 | bperlo | It does seem as though that may be the issue because it onl;y started happening after i added it |
| 22:08.14 | bperlo | hrm./... |
| 22:08.28 | Fisker- | attacks nevcairiel |
| 22:08.33 | SqueeG | Try disabling it, how long does it take for it to freeze normally? |
| 22:08.50 | bperlo | It varies |
| 22:09.07 | SqueeG | There's should be an error log somewhere in your wow folder xD |
| 22:09.19 | bperlo | I was playing in game and it froze faster then when i tried joining another server and creating a character then froze |
| 22:09.39 | SqueeG | It froze while creating a character? |
| 22:09.43 | Hirsute | It's beginning to sound like a hardware issue to me. |
| 22:09.45 | bperlo | :-/ |
| 22:09.53 | SqueeG | Aye |
| 22:10.02 | Hirsute | Have you run a thorough memory test? |
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| 22:10.13 | SqueeG | Does your machine make any beeping sounds, or anything when that happens? |
| 22:10.35 | bperlo | I just recently wiped the HD |
| 22:10.38 | bperlo | negative |
| 22:10.43 | Nechckn | Big red light pop out of the top, with a flashing sign? =) |
| 22:10.46 | bperlo | What type of memory test? |
| 22:10.57 | bperlo | Oh thats what that means... |
| 22:11.01 | bperlo | ;-) |
| 22:11.30 | bperlo | hrm.... I mean would it be the questhelper? |
| 22:11.39 | bperlo | I would love for it to be software related |
| 22:11.50 | Hirsute | I'd find some memory testing software, and run it for a few hours to see if it pops up any errors. |
| 22:12.01 | SqueeG | If it froze at character creation, it's not an addon |
| 22:12.06 | bperlo | Any software you might suggest? |
| 22:12.20 | bperlo | Yeha it hangs up at the start screen aswell |
| 22:12.38 | Nechckn | usually your bios will have a basic memory test that will be about as good as any 3rd party ones |
| 22:12.41 | bperlo | though i only noticed this after I added questhelper :-/ |
| 22:12.55 | bperlo | alrighty |
| 22:13.11 | ramoz | memtest86 otherwise |
| 22:13.12 | Hirsute | Technically, addons cannot cause WoW to freeze, crash, etc. Addons *may* push the client and trigger bugs in Blizz's code to cause that. However, character creation happens without addons loaded. QH uses a fair amount of RAM, if it's a RAM issue, QH could just be pushing the program into using enough RAM to be poking the bad parts. |
| 22:13.37 | bperlo | Well lemme go do that I sure do appreciate all of your alls help |
| 22:14.10 | SqueeG | Good luck =) |
| 22:14.13 | bperlo | What server do you all play on btw? |
| 22:14.17 | Fisker- | oh god nevcairiel |
| 22:14.30 | Fisker- | the stasiscl logs are already 900MB :P |
| 22:14.36 | SqueeG | I think everyone's different ;p |
| 22:14.39 | Fisker- | And i got like 2 raids on it |
| 22:14.59 | bperlo | ahh I see welp I'm off might be back to let you all know what went down |
| 22:15.13 | bperlo | Take it easy all! |
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| 22:29.13 | vhaarr | haste: ping |
| 22:32.04 | NeoTron | Hirsute: it's super easy to make an addon that freezes wow |
| 22:32.35 | Hirsute | NeoTron: I did qualify it with "technically" |
| 22:34.01 | Hirsute | But you're right, write an addon that eats up all the CPU time, it will "freeze" up the client. It'll also disconnect you. I'm sure there are ways to do a more profound freeze that actually hangs the client, but I'd still argue that's due to bugs in Blizz's code. |
| 22:36.32 | SqueeG | Has anyone found out what the dog guys in shola give yet? |
| 22:36.34 | ckknight | local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) for i = 1, math.random(0, #self^0.5)+1 do self[#self+1] = {} end end) |
| 22:36.36 | ckknight | <.< |
| 22:36.36 | ckknight | >.> |
| 22:37.37 | Hirsute | ckknight: Hard hang the client? |
| 22:38.04 | ckknight | Hirsute: eventually |
| 22:38.04 | ckknight | but it'll just generate a lot of memory |
| 22:38.08 | Hirsute | Does the game eventually disconnect you? |
| 22:38.21 | ckknight | let's find out. |
| 22:38.26 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 22:40.00 | Archarodim | I got the feeling that the CurseClient is not using system disk write caching when installing/extracting files... |
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| 22:40.12 | Archarodim | exactly like the blizzard downloader... |
| 22:41.24 | ckknight | dang |
| 22:41.25 | ckknight | <string>:"local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetScript...":1: memory allocation error: block too big |
| 22:44.01 | Hirsute | ckknight: Heh. |
| 22:44.48 | Hirsute | In general, I'd say it's the client's job to keep addons from eating up so much CPU or Memory that the client becomes unresponsive. If it fails, I'd tend to chalk it up to a bug, or at least poor programming. |
| 22:45.17 | Gnarfoz | Archarodim: I doubt they're using low enough level stuff to be able to have influence on that. Kaelten? ^^ |
| 22:53.03 | ckknight | Archarodim: yea, it's done in a shitty way currently. |
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| 23:07.32 | Antiarc | What's the unit ID for the second arena target? |
| 23:07.42 | Antiarc | ie, I want to always target arenatarget2 |
| 23:07.46 | Antiarc | Is it arenatarget2? |
| 23:08.26 | nevcairiel | arena2 |
| 23:09.51 | Antiarc | dance |
| 23:09.52 | Antiarc | danke |
| 23:10.03 | NeoTron | Antiarc: LibDropdown - checkinable state? I wanted to see if I could fix/work on it for my own needs but nothing was there so that didn't work |
| 23:10.04 | Shefki | Is it just me or is wowace.com slow/unresponsive.? |
| 23:10.11 | Antiarc | I can check it in sure |
| 23:10.14 | Antiarc | It's not finished though |
| 23:10.17 | NeoTron | understood |
| 23:10.22 | Axodious | it seems slow Shefki |
| 23:10.40 | Axodious | Connection to 69.57.184.214 Failed |
| 23:10.41 | Axodious | actually |
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| 23:10.54 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/LibDropdown-1.0.zip |
| 23:10.58 | NeoTron | is it easy to quantify what is missing or not working to make it easier for someone such as myself to possibly fix it? |
| 23:10.59 | Antiarc | too busy to check it in myself right now |
| 23:11.03 | Antiarc | But feel free to set up a project |
| 23:11.06 | Antiarc | I don't remember |
| 23:11.14 | nevcairiel | you did setup a project =P |
| 23:11.43 | NeoTron | it's set up yeah just no source there :P |
| 23:11.59 | NeoTron | I'll check it out. I'm done with raiding until Sunday so got plenty of time this week |
| 23:12.08 | NeoTron | this one raid per week thing is sort of nice in a way |
| 23:12.17 | NeoTron | but I still look forward to Ulduar being a bit more challenging :P |
| 23:13.23 | NeoTron | Antiarc: any LibDropDownTest or similar btw like LibBars had? |
| 23:13.32 | Antiarc | There's a little test at the bottom of the file |
| 23:13.36 | Antiarc | It's all very rough and amateur :P |
| 23:14.16 | Repo | 10libdropdown-1-0: 03Nevcairiel * r2 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 23:14.19 | nevcairiel | there ^ |
| 23:14.19 | Repo | Import Antiarcs work on LibDropdown-1.0 for future reference and completion |
| 23:14.22 | Antiarc | yay |
| 23:14.31 | Antiarc | sorry for being so unresponsive about it |
| 23:14.38 | Antiarc | Life has been a little busy! |
| 23:14.45 | NeoTron | no problem |
| 23:14.50 | NeoTron | this gives me something to look at |
| 23:15.02 | NeoTron | after working with the default blizzard one I feel like I want to stab my eyes out |
| 23:15.14 | NeoTron | or rather it actually works ok, looks ok but is very limited |
| 23:15.27 | nevcairiel | the existing implementation works some-what, but its not a complete implementation of the Ace3 Config format yet, and has some other glitches and bugs |
| 23:15.32 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 23:15.52 | Shefki | ckknight: Status on wowace.com? |
| 23:15.58 | NeoTron | to be 100% honest my primary concern is definitely not Ace3 config format (although I'll gladly take that :) |
| 23:16.08 | ckknight | $ ssh www.curseforge.com |
| 23:16.08 | ckknight | ssh: connect to host www.curseforge.com port 22: Connection refused |
| 23:16.10 | ckknight | lol wut |
| 23:16.11 | NeoTron | but again I'll check it out |
| 23:16.16 | Axodious | thats not good |
| 23:16.17 | Axodious | :p |
| 23:16.18 | NeoTron | ckknight: HAX0RZ |
| 23:16.26 | ckknight | repos and db are up |
| 23:16.36 | nevcairiel | I planned on fixing LibDropdown but i was too busy myself :/ |
| 23:16.49 | ckknight | and I can ping the site |
| 23:16.51 | ckknight | just can't ssh in |
| 23:17.04 | nevcairiel | someone crashed the tcp stack? :) |
| 23:17.19 | ckknight | dunno what's the deal |
| 23:18.08 | Shefki | I'm in your server having a PaRtY! |
| 23:18.33 | Axodious | im in your server eating your internets |
| 23:19.08 | Axodious | om nom nom? |
| 23:19.08 | ckknight | Kaelten: ping |
| 23:19.17 | nevcairiel | ckknight: no remote serial terminal? |
| 23:19.35 | Axodious | kvm over tcp/ip |
| 23:19.53 | nevcairiel | those are mighty useful if you don't want to send some tech to the server everytime :D |
| 23:20.25 | Axodious | was going to get one for my customer a province over, then i was like hllo price tag |
| 23:21.30 | nevcairiel | doesnt have to be a real KVM, just a serial-port console |
| 23:21.33 | nevcairiel | those are cheaper :) |
| 23:21.35 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04v3.82 * r204 : RaidBuffStatus: |
| 23:21.38 | Repo | - Tagged as stable. |
| 23:22.44 | nevcairiel | Its really nice to be able to get on the server even when some idiots floods all your tcp ports |
| 23:23.18 | Axodious | well i was going to get it for power related issues |
| 23:23.43 | Axodious | they have their server in their office and their office has relaly poor power |
| 23:23.55 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:26.19 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: now the other idiots jumped the train http://www.betanews.com/article/Google-Windows-7-users-should-be-able-to-choose-any-browser-any-time/1236782173 |
| 23:26.46 | Axodious | ? |
| 23:27.34 | Axodious | did they actually push through that thing? |
| 23:27.53 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 23:27.58 | Axodious | bah |
| 23:28.12 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: i still think they should write their own OS if they want to ship their own browser =P |
| 23:28.14 | Axodious | for a second there i thought that was the end of ie |
| 23:28.21 | Stanzilla | yes indeed |
| 23:28.37 | ckknight | site's back up, btw |
| 23:28.48 | nevcairiel | Axodious: i don't like IE, but i still think its absolutely nuts to ask MS to add third-party software to windows just to offer "a choice" |
| 23:29.13 | Axodious | yeah its pretty bad on both ends of the rope |
| 23:29.25 | Axodious | it wouldnt catch so many people if ie wasnt such crap though |
| 23:29.44 | Axodious | swear i spent half the time making my site getting it working in ie |
| 23:29.45 | Axodious | :| |
| 23:29.55 | nevcairiel | It would be a support nightmare for MS |
| 23:30.18 | nevcairiel | "Hey i installed this browser with windows, and its not working", "We dont make this browser, call that other guy" |
| 23:30.50 | nevcairiel | next step, they want their browser updates on Windows Update |
| 23:30.54 | nevcairiel | i can see the request! |
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| 23:31.29 | Axodious | i could see them putting it in as an optional |
| 23:31.32 | Axodious | not installed by default |
| 23:32.07 | nevcairiel | Opera is requesting a choice for the user during install |
| 23:32.22 | Axodious | yeah i think that's retarded |
| 23:32.28 | Stanzilla | madness! |
| 23:32.45 | nevcairiel | Google is even more nuts |
| 23:33.01 | nevcairiel | "..not only should Windows users be given the option to choose their browsers during setup, but to do so every time they turn their machines on." |
| 23:33.03 | Axodious | hey, at least google is making their own os |
| 23:33.21 | nevcairiel | Which? the one running on the google phone? =P |
| 23:33.33 | Axodious | nah they are deving something based on nix i think |
| 23:33.40 | Axodious | an actual desktop os |
| 23:34.09 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they'll ask people if they want to install something else then chrome |
| 23:34.33 | Axodious | probably everything other than ie |
| 23:34.34 | Axodious | :p |
| 23:34.52 | Stanzilla | they have their own ubuntu mod or so |
| 23:34.52 | Stanzilla | running on their company pcs |
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| 23:34.56 | nevcairiel | yeah well you can't exactly get a standalone IE anyway |
| 23:34.59 | nevcairiel | only for macs iirc |
| 23:35.13 | chiper | considering that you need a browser to get a browser, I think it's only fair that windows includes several. the problem is that such a feature would not only set a precident for other operating systems, it would also give an unfair advantage to any browsers on that list |
| 23:35.16 | nevcairiel | if that wasnt scrubbed yet |
| 23:35.31 | Shefki | chiper: You don't need a browser to get one. |
| 23:35.34 | Shefki | ftp |
| 23:35.48 | Axodious | irc! |
| 23:35.51 | Axodious | dcc send go! |
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| 23:36.02 | chiper | assuming you already know the direct download link to get something from ftp |
| 23:36.03 | nevcairiel | Anyone that decides to use another browser should know wtf he is doing there |
| 23:36.09 | Stanzilla | yes and my mom will use ftp to get a browser installed |
| 23:36.11 | Stanzilla | riiight |
| 23:36.11 | chiper | but that's moot since windows doesnt include FTP either |
| 23:36.18 | nevcairiel | chiper: explorer can ftp |
| 23:36.30 | chiper | right, but we're talking about explorer not being the default |
| 23:36.39 | nevcairiel | explorer will always be default |
| 23:36.42 | nevcairiel | its the damn shell |
| 23:36.42 | chiper | and exlorer's ftp support is shite |
| 23:36.44 | Axodious | hey, look at many nix flavors out there |
| 23:36.50 | nevcairiel | internet explorer is what we're talking about =P |
| 23:36.55 | Axodious | they've got knonquerer for fedora & firefox & opera |
| 23:36.56 | Shefki | There was a time when there wasn't even TCP software on Windows. |
| 23:37.04 | Axodious | the last 2 are optionals though |
| 23:37.07 | Shefki | We still managed to get online and get stuff installed. |
| 23:37.22 | chiper | Shefki: via installers on disk, sure |
| 23:37.44 | nevcairiel | After the browsers are done, the media player guys will raid MS and demand a "choice" during install too. |
| 23:37.57 | Axodious | oh god |
| 23:37.58 | chiper | heh, we went through hell a few weeks back trying to get an old MacOS 8 mac online. total chicken & the egg problem |
| 23:38.00 | Axodious | i can just see eralplayer |
| 23:38.02 | Axodious | ahhhh |
| 23:38.07 | nevcairiel | Oh and then the notepad-alternative developers |
| 23:38.21 | Axodious | lol, then shells |
| 23:38.29 | Axodious | IE KDE for windows |
| 23:38.37 | NeoTron | isn't the greater issue that MS (in the past at least) has prevented third parties from shipping computers with windows + a non-msie browser option? |
| 23:38.39 | nevcairiel | I would actually like a Gnome for windows |
| 23:38.49 | NeoTron | and of course that you can't really uninstall MSIE |
| 23:38.53 | Axodious | kde for win actually exists |
| 23:38.56 | Axodious | though it's incomplete |
| 23:38.59 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: win7 can uninstall IE8 now |
| 23:39.16 | chiper | frankly I'm amazed that google would make such a demand. that's a pretty evil request |
| 23:39.22 | Axodious | you can uninstall 8.... which defaults to 7 i believe |
| 23:39.31 | chiper | the ramifications of such a demand are huge |
| 23:39.32 | nevcairiel | Win7 will always ship with 8 |
| 23:39.35 | nevcairiel | and you can uninstall it |
| 23:39.38 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: yes thats the exact reason for the anti-trust lawsuit |
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| 23:40.20 | nevcairiel | There even was a freaking 'N' version of Vista without a media player for those crazy people |
| 23:40.32 | ckknight | chiper: I think they're shooting for the stars to reach the moon |
| 23:40.57 | Axodious | another easy way around the entire software scenario would be a web version of windows |
| 23:41.06 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * f71e3e3 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] make it so group changes don't update child frames unless actually necessary. |
| 23:41.10 | chiper | ckknight: possibly |
| 23:41.13 | ckknight | Shefki: ^-- |
| 23:41.47 | nevcairiel | chiper: if their demand would go through like this and set a precident for other cases, the whole world would go nuts on MS |
| 23:42.06 | nevcairiel | or other big products, for that matter |
| 23:43.21 | chiper | yeah, not just MS |
| 23:43.36 | chiper | it'd take less then a day for that demand to be thrust on Apple |
| 23:43.50 | Stanzilla | Axodious: ms is developing a web version of windows^^ |
| 23:43.59 | Arrowmaster | apple is just as bad with their stealth saffari installs |
| 23:44.04 | Axodious | definition of "web" version for them Stanzilla? |
| 23:44.06 | chiper | and every single browser team would demand to be on the list |
| 23:44.30 | nevcairiel | People always justify their claims against MS because MS has like 90% market share on desktops |
| 23:44.35 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 23:44.42 | chiper | arrow: only in that it is installed. webkit isnt exactly a core element of the OS like IE is |
| 23:44.45 | Stanzilla | Axodious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Azure |
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| 23:44.51 | Axodious | sec |
| 23:45.12 | ckknight | hey, anyone want a peak at Curse Client 3.0? you know it's better because it has an inflated version number. |
| 23:45.23 | Stanzilla | < |
| 23:45.27 | Axodious | yeah that's not what i meant |
| 23:45.36 | Axodious | i meant like you can download a customized iso of windows X |
| 23:45.39 | chiper | tho now that I think of it that is changing. dashboard requires webkit, and a lot of third party apps use it now |
| 23:45.55 | Axodious | where it would have a list of approved products you could choose from |
| 23:46.00 | nevcairiel | they can install webkit without safari =P |
| 23:46.13 | ckknight | also, Webkit is awesome, unlike Trident. |
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| 23:46.21 | ckknight | big difference. |
| 23:46.24 | nevcairiel | Uninstalling IE8 on Win7 doesnt remove the IE ActiveX controls either |
| 23:46.25 | Arrowmaster | you can already create customized cds of windows |
| 23:46.32 | nevcairiel | because alot of apps depend on those |
| 23:46.44 | ckknight | I'd expect Trident to remain on Win7 after uninstalling IE8 |
| 23:46.57 | ckknight | IE8 should just be an app that uses Trident |
| 23:47.04 | nevcairiel | It is, i guess |
| 23:47.23 | nevcairiel | Any half-assed windows app that trys to display HTML uses the IE controls |
| 23:47.26 | nevcairiel | because its so easy |
| 23:47.33 | chiper | isn't IE still built into explorer on win7? |
| 23:47.34 | nevcairiel | you can't just remove it all |
| 23:47.45 | Arrowmaster | id rather disable trident and anything related to it personally |
| 23:47.58 | Arrowmaster | i dont want that damn security risk on my system |
| 23:48.01 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: well you're weird, too |
| 23:48.10 | Axodious | chiper, i don't think it is in vista is it? |
| 23:48.20 | Axodious | launches an instance of your default browser |
| 23:48.24 | ckknight | it would be nice to be able to replace the browser engine for the whole OS, but that's kinda ... infeasible |
| 23:48.28 | chiper | if you type a url into an explorer location field, it doesn't open a new window, it just becomes an IE window |
| 23:48.37 | Axodious | not for me |
| 23:48.43 | Stanzilla | not on 7 |
| 23:48.43 | Axodious | ive got crhome defaulted and it went to chrome |
| 23:48.45 | chiper | I'll have to try it when I get home |
| 23:48.49 | nevcairiel | ckknight: you know how API colaberation works out =P |
| 23:48.59 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:49.09 | nevcairiel | If i type a URL in the explorer bar, it opens a new tab in firefox |
| 23:49.11 | nevcairiel | no IE shit |
| 23:49.17 | nevcairiel | on vista |
| 23:49.20 | Axodious | ^ |
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| 23:49.39 | Axodious | i think if ie is defaulted it still opens a new window |
| 23:49.48 | nevcairiel | probably, yea |
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| 23:50.06 | Axodious | you know what i haven't heard much bitching about? ftp clients! |
| 23:50.15 | Axodious | explorer has it's own! |
| 23:50.23 | nevcairiel | so does every browser |
| 23:50.30 | TradeMark | it's also horrible |
| 23:50.34 | Axodious | you can't upload via ftp on browsers though |
| 23:50.35 | Axodious | only browse |
| 23:50.43 | nevcairiel | On IE you can, iirc |
| 23:50.48 | nevcairiel | drag'n'drop a file in there |
| 23:50.52 | Axodious | hey TradeMark, i use it cause i don't have to go install another >_< |
| 23:51.15 | TradeMark | I use FileZilla |
| 23:51.20 | TradeMark | 'tis open source, works well |
| 23:51.39 | nevcairiel | I use FlashFXP .. i got a license like aeons ago, and its still valid |
| 23:51.41 | Axodious | i use an old version of ws_ftp |
| 23:51.47 | Axodious | the light edition >_> |
| 23:51.49 | Axodious | aka freebie |
| 23:51.59 | Arrowmaster | i used to use ws_ftp but then i found filezilla a long time ago |
| 23:53.58 | Stanzilla | ckknight: what's new in CC 3 apart from the options window? |
| 23:54.12 | ckknight | Stanzilla: nothing to my knowledge |
| 23:54.21 | ckknight | I said it was an inflated version number |
| 23:54.23 | ckknight | for marketing purposes |
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| 23:54.39 | Stanzilla | k :P |
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| 23:55.09 | Arrowmaster | a 'hey stop thinking its the same as the first v2.x without even trying it' bump? |
| 23:55.53 | Megalon | a bold web2.0 move |
| 23:56.03 | ckknight | well, it is quite different from 2.0 |
| 23:56.12 | ckknight | both internally and externally |
| 23:56.16 | Arrowmaster | fuck web2.0 |
| 23:56.30 | ckknight | right, Arrowmaster, we're already at Web 3.0 |
| 23:56.37 | ckknight | maybe even 3.5 |
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