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| 00:03.37 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r256 libraries/includes.xml: fix #107 |
| 00:06.21 | SqueeG | does libwho need to be embedded to work? |
| 00:07.07 | Primer | Starinnia: 12g total, as I was able to vendor it back |
| 00:07.26 | Starinnia | Primer: not so bad then |
| 00:10.06 | thul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl_Lacg5m3g |
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| 00:17.31 | Repo | 10tomquest2: 03gagou 04r88 beta * r89 : Tagging as r88 beta |
| 00:19.14 | SqueeG | Torhal |
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| 00:22.33 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/dailyintake/. DailyIntake. Jaerro (Manager/Author). Approved by Kaelten. |
| 00:27.28 | NeoTron | @describe dailyintake |
| 00:27.29 | Repo | NeoTron: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 00:27.39 | NeoTron | wicked |
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| 00:28.04 | Starinnia | best description ever |
| 00:28.08 | Repo | 10dailyintake: 03Jaerro * r21 / (9 files in 5 directories): |
| 00:28.11 | Repo | Added all quest items for Ebon Blade and 1 more cooking quest. |
| 00:28.14 | Repo | Beta |
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| 00:31.52 | kd3 | gah |
| 00:32.06 | kd3 | I told the installer not to install the curse profiler and the updater installs it anyway |
| 00:32.31 | Hjalte | Did you tick it off in both the main options and game options? |
| 00:32.37 | kd3 | I shouldn't fucking have to |
| 00:33.11 | Hjalte | I agree it's kind of clumsy |
| 00:40.51 | Xinhuan | pokes ckknight in the ribs |
| 00:40.58 | WobWork | ... http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc357.html |
| 00:41.01 | ckknight | noes! |
| 00:41.03 | Xinhuan | repo's @describe broke above |
| 00:41.11 | ckknight | k |
| 00:41.45 | Xinhuan | who wants to see a penis? |
| 00:41.47 | Xinhuan | http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7961000/7961224.stm |
| 00:44.17 | ilovemrdoe | haha a year |
| 00:44.32 | ilovemrdoe | that's great |
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| 00:45.24 | ckknight | lol, Xinhuan |
| 00:45.41 | ckknight | @describe dailyintake |
| 00:45.42 | Repo | ckknight: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 00:45.50 | Xinhuan | Repo > you :) |
| 00:46.08 | ckknight | I expected the error. |
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| 00:48.53 | ckknight | @describe dailyintake |
| 00:49.27 | Repo | ckknight: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 00:50.25 | Axodious | i want a bot that tells me when something breaks :( |
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| 00:50.44 | SqueeG | Okay i'm intrigued, what's this muttering about microsoft and battle.net? |
| 00:50.47 | WobWork | ~fail Axodious |
| 00:50.48 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Axodious. I hate you because you fail. |
| 00:50.53 | ckknight | @describe dailyintake |
| 00:51.03 | Axodious | cries |
| 00:51.19 | WobWork | oh, when -something- breaks |
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| 00:54.46 | ckknight | @describe dailyintake |
| 00:54.47 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/projects/dailyintake/. DailyIntake. Provides help with daily quests, making them easier, faster and more efficient. Features: Creates one macro to use all your daily quest items. Put the macro on your action bar and forget about opening... |
| 00:54.53 | ckknight | success! |
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| 00:59.56 | Aiiane | I don't know which is more fun to read, the drama over the addon policy, or the drama over the WAR ad campaign on WoW sites |
| 01:00.38 | Repo | 10titletronic: 03quantorsht * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): Save preferences. Factor some code out. |
| 01:01.42 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if jumpgate will be good enough for me to get over the fact its going to use actionscript for its UI |
| 01:02.59 | WobWork | Aiiane: drama is drama =P |
| 01:03.14 | WobWork | I quite liked the full page ad on wowhead =P |
| 01:04.34 | Aiiane | the wowhead site forum thread on it is at 16 pages |
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| 01:07.18 | WobWork | I can only guess at what they're complaining about |
| 01:07.55 | WobWork | but it's not like anyone who goes to wowhead is going to go: "OMG WAR, I'm never playing WoW EVER AGAIN" |
| 01:10.31 | thul | OMG PEACE!! |
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| 01:12.22 | SqueeG | there's a drama thread about WAR ads? |
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| 01:12.50 | SqueeG | ooooh |
| 01:12.55 | SqueeG | wowhead got a full apge ad too? |
| 01:12.56 | SqueeG | page* |
| 01:13.19 | SqueeG | roflmao |
| 01:13.21 | SqueeG | that's awesome |
| 01:13.55 | Cairenn | New way for authors to show donation requests on WoWI, in addition to what was there previously: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21403 |
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| 01:15.51 | sylvanaar | SqueeG no |
| 01:16.10 | SqueeG | It's *not* awesome? |
| 01:19.10 | ckknight | hey, Cairenn, we're doing the same thing |
| 01:19.16 | ckknight | overall, good times, I'd say |
| 01:19.25 | Cairenn | good |
| 01:19.28 | SqueeG | copy cat ;) |
| 01:19.48 | ckknight | well, we already had em on CurseForge, we just pushed the Curse.com people to finally syndicate it |
| 01:19.50 | ckknight | :P |
| 01:19.53 | ckknight | it's all good, though |
| 01:19.57 | SqueeG | xD |
| 01:20.15 | SqueeG | why is an entirely seperate team working on curse.com? |
| 01:20.31 | ckknight | user vs. developer sites |
| 01:20.31 | SqueeG | ...I probably don't want to know |
| 01:20.39 | ckknight | curse.com has more stuff than just addons |
| 01:20.44 | ckknight | curseforge has lots of developer tools |
| 01:20.45 | sylvanaar | SqueeG wholib |
| 01:20.51 | ckknight | curseforge/wowace, that is |
| 01:20.55 | ckknight | localization app, ticket system, etc. |
| 01:20.57 | SqueeG | oooh |
| 01:21.23 | ckknight | also, curse.com is written in ASP.NET, and wowace/curseforge is done in Python |
| 01:21.26 | SqueeG | yea wholib and qtip were giving me disembed problems, and i'm entirely too tired to figure that out tonight |
| 01:21.29 | Cairenn | just like WoWI |
| 01:21.55 | sylvanaar | loves everyone equally |
| 01:21.58 | SqueeG | wholib has to be coded specifically for each instance though, which is kind of annoying |
| 01:22.09 | sylvanaar | instance of what |
| 01:22.20 | SqueeG | disembed vs embed |
| 01:22.48 | SqueeG | Python, back in high school i was under the impression python was going by the way side |
| 01:22.48 | sylvanaar | you only need one |
| 01:23.03 | Xinhuan | Cairenn |
| 01:23.12 | Xinhuan | i have some feedback for that donation faq guide ;p |
| 01:23.12 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: |
| 01:23.21 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=donations_dev |
| 01:23.23 | Xinhuan | that is |
| 01:23.42 | Cairenn | that is what? |
| 01:23.43 | Xinhuan | not all countries have "donations" in the "accept payments for" dropdown inpaypal |
| 01:23.49 | SqueeG | Sylvanaar: From what I can see, it's usage is different for either one |
| 01:23.53 | Xinhuan | for example, my country doesn't allow it |
| 01:23.53 | Cairenn | okay, well, /shrug |
| 01:24.11 | Xinhuan | however, i can still create a "donate" button, that is really a "pay now" button |
| 01:24.17 | SqueeG | So I'd have to go back through what ever addon and change all the references aroudn |
| 01:24.35 | Xinhuan | get what i mean? |
| 01:25.07 | SqueeG | I don't understand why qtip wouldn't play nice though =( |
| 01:25.20 | sylvanaar | SqueeG i personally have avoided embedding it myself |
| 01:25.23 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: I added a caveat to that, is it okay now? :p |
| 01:25.49 | Xinhuan | yeah, well i hope your donate button uses a "donate" picture regardless of whether the button is really a donate button or not |
| 01:25.54 | Xinhuan | that was my concern |
| 01:25.55 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 01:26.48 | sylvanaar | qtip had a dependency that wasnt lod or something - i cant remember |
| 01:26.55 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r72 whispercommands.lua: debug for steve's problem |
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| 01:27.08 | SqueeG | oooooooh that's right, i remember a topic on that some where... |
| 01:27.13 | SqueeG | moo T_T |
| 01:28.26 | ckknight | SqueeG: I'm actually more of a ruby fan than a python fan, by far |
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| 01:29.38 | SqueeG | I've read good things about ruby |
| 01:30.13 | SqueeG | I also read it's consistently out-performed by.... bleh I can't remember |
| 01:30.31 | SqueeG | I want to say php, but i highly doubt that's right xD |
| 01:30.52 | Kilroo | Actually I think it is. |
| 01:31.14 | Xinhuan | thanks Cairenn, i just tested the stuff out, i think it looks great :p |
| 01:31.21 | Cairenn | good :) |
| 01:31.57 | ckknight | SqueeG: not 1.9 |
| 01:32.01 | ckknight | Ruby's the new bastard child |
| 01:32.04 | Kilroo | Ruby is, from what I understand, very easy to program in, and Rails is well done, and the whole business works nicely. However, according to what I've read, Ruby itself is pretty slow. In theory, the same program, written as cleanly, should be faster in...well...almost anything else. |
| 01:32.11 | ckknight | about twice as slow as Python 2.6 and Ruby 1.9 |
| 01:32.14 | ckknight | err |
| 01:32.17 | ckknight | PHP's the new bastard child |
| 01:32.29 | ckknight | Ruby 1.8 is slow |
| 01:32.30 | ckknight | no doubt |
| 01:32.39 | ckknight | but you should be running your Ruby 1.8 enterprise app with JRuby |
| 01:32.44 | ckknight | which is enterprise-ready |
| 01:32.54 | ckknight | note: I have done a lot of research into this |
| 01:33.46 | ckknight | also, the speed of one's app even in 1.8 is generally acceptable |
| 01:34.04 | ckknight | since most of the time you'll be in the DB |
| 01:34.08 | ckknight | which should be handled through sane caching |
| 01:34.10 | ckknight | or otherwise |
| 01:34.18 | ckknight | with proper output caching, you'd touch hardly any Ruby at all |
| 01:34.32 | Kilroo | Oh, yeah. If you know what you're doing, you're not talking orders of magnitude difference with any of this. |
| 01:34.43 | Kilroo | I did a lot of research too, when I was trying to decide what I will eventually be using to write my personal website and the web application project I intend to host there. |
| 01:34.56 | Kilroo | I ended up deciding on Lua. =D |
| 01:35.00 | ckknight | hehe |
| 01:35.01 | ckknight | cool |
| 01:35.03 | ckknight | how'd that work? |
| 01:35.31 | Kilroo | Haven't started yet because my VPS host's Arch Linux image is outdated and I haven't been harassing them enough about it. |
| 01:35.38 | ckknight | ah |
| 01:35.54 | Kilroo | I'm actually thinking now that I might rather go with the CentOS image anyhow. Rolling release on a server is a bit odd. |
| 01:36.06 | ckknight | hmm |
| 01:36.16 | ckknight | we use Ubuntu on our wowace servers |
| 01:36.23 | Kilroo | I'm not doing that. |
| 01:36.24 | ckknight | though we do need to update the OSes to more recent versions |
| 01:36.36 | ckknight | the DB's up to date, but Repos and WWW need upgrading |
| 01:36.40 | SqueeG | I used freeBSD when i ran a server ^^ |
| 01:36.42 | ckknight | why not, Kilroo? |
| 01:37.16 | Kilroo | No offense to Ubuntu, I think it's doing some great things and it is how I made the transition to Linux (well, Xubuntu is). However, at this point, if I'm going to run Debian, I'd rather run Debian. |
| 01:37.26 | ckknight | fair enough |
| 01:37.36 | ckknight | just saying that Ubuntu has been a very suitable server OS for us |
| 01:38.03 | Kilroo | I don't doubt it. Should be able to make any distro a decent server if you know what you're doing. |
| 01:38.09 | Kilroo | Except maybe Gobolinux. |
| 01:38.12 | Kilroo | That would be...odd. |
| 01:38.19 | SqueeG | lmao |
| 01:38.23 | ckknight | hehe |
| 01:39.31 | SqueeG | gobo does have nice file management though ;) |
| 01:39.56 | Kilroo | ...Which they wanted to redo to be better suited to a personal computer instead of a server |
| 01:40.18 | Kilroo | so turning around and putting Gobo on a server is sort of bass-ackwards. |
| 01:40.41 | Kilroo | I wonder if there are any VPS hosts out there who offer rpath linux as an option. |
| 01:41.02 | SqueeG | =p |
| 01:41.46 | Kilroo | I also wonder why the download for Doublewide is more than five times the size of the download for at least two other mods that do a double-pane quest log AND something else besides. |
| 01:42.14 | Repo | 10charge-meter: 03Starinnia * r26 / (7 files in 3 directories): |
| 01:42.17 | Repo | -re purpose the addon as a helper for the Shocking achievement |
| 01:42.20 | Repo | -print out a line for the positive charges and a line for the negative charges that cross |
| 01:43.08 | Arrowmaster | Kilroo: doublewide has artwork to make it look nice? |
| 01:43.17 | Kilroo | Does it? |
| 01:43.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:43.27 | Kilroo | I hadn't noticed. |
| 01:43.31 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r257 / (2 files in 2 directories): fix left behind debug statement |
| 01:43.49 | Arrowmaster | atleast one doublewide ripoff ive seen just put two of the normal frame images next to each other and looked like shit |
| 01:44.03 | Kilroo | Ahhh, that's what it is. |
| 01:44.49 | Kilroo | Uberquest Reborn Again does two separate frames stuck to each other; QuestMods just has separate frames and they're not even conjoined. |
| 01:45.11 | Kilroo | Obviously I didn't think it looked like shit that way or I would have noticed. |
| 01:45.30 | Arrowmaster | you notice when youre used to doublewide |
| 01:46.23 | Kilroo | Which I never was, because I was using UQRA already when I found it (having been trying it out for its quest minion) and didn't see a point in switching. |
| 01:47.52 | Stanzilla | ~wowalert |
| 01:47.53 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 01:52.03 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * c9fcf3d Controls/BetterStatusBar.lua: [+1 commit] for status bar icons, zoom the icons a bit. |
| 01:52.29 | WobWork | Xinhuan: stopping work on Omen due to the debacle? |
| 01:52.48 | Xinhuan | i'm not that mean |
| 01:52.55 | WobWork | good good |
| 01:52.58 | WobWork | Just hearing rumours |
| 01:53.01 | Xinhuan | hey my own guild relies on it |
| 01:53.08 | Xinhuan | it'll be pretty dumb to kill myself |
| 01:53.08 | WobWork | I might try and find the source |
| 01:53.24 | Starinnia | my favorite rumor was that all addon authors were going to cancel their accounts |
| 01:53.50 | ckknight | I know I am |
| 01:53.51 | ckknight | wait |
| 01:53.52 | ckknight | no |
| 01:53.54 | ckknight | that'd be silly |
| 01:53.59 | ckknight | :P |
| 01:54.07 | Kilroo | What does Omen do? |
| 01:54.15 | ckknight | predicts the future |
| 01:54.23 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: you didnt laugh at my bugs from hell joke =( |
| 01:54.28 | Starinnia | tells you which rogue the boss will eat next |
| 01:54.30 | ckknight | also, how much threat you have |
| 01:54.39 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: hahahahaha :) |
| 01:54.39 | Kilroo | Ah |
| 01:54.43 | Xinhuan | how about that hehe |
| 01:54.48 | Kilroo | I keep getting it mixed up with OmniCC |
| 01:55.06 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: seems like a pitty laugh |
| 01:55.17 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 01:55.28 | Xinhuan | well teh thread is somewhat serious |
| 01:55.37 | Xinhuan | didn't want to derail it too far |
| 01:56.15 | Kilroo | Speaking of which, it suddenly occurs to me to speculate as to whether I should consider replacing lern2count or SeriousBuffTimers... |
| 01:56.35 | Xinhuan | why do you need lern2count? |
| 01:56.51 | Xinhuan | i believe its default UI functionality now |
| 01:56.52 | Kilroo | That's a very good question, since I don't remember what it does. |
| 01:57.14 | Xinhuan | it adds reagent numbers to your action buttons |
| 01:57.30 | Xinhuan | like 20 in the corner of your AI spell if you only have enough to cast 20 of it |
| 01:57.35 | Kilroo | Ah. |
| 01:57.46 | Xinhuan | but its in default UI now (since a year ago) |
| 01:58.00 | Kilroo | I can probably ditch that, then. |
| 01:58.22 | Xinhuan | what default UI doesn't do is count how many times yu can cast a spell (with you remaining mana left) |
| 01:58.26 | Xinhuan | its just reagents |
| 01:58.46 | Kilroo | SeriousBuffTimers, if I remember right, just makes buff timers always show as minutes and seconds, instead of...um... |
| 01:58.54 | Kilroo | instead of whatever the heck they normally are... |
| 01:59.34 | Kilroo | Which I'm not sure is relevant at all when I'm using oUF... |
| 01:59.52 | Xinhuan | i can hardly see any real reason for needing to know the "seconds" remaining, when it has > 1 min left |
| 01:59.53 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 02:00.15 | Xinhuan | extraneous info is extraneous |
| 02:00.24 | Kilroo | Me neither, really. I think at the time I started using it, it just bothered me for the format to change. |
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| 02:03.10 | SqueeG | i prefer beql's doublewideness |
| 02:04.10 | Repo | 10titletronic: 03quantorsht * r8 Core.lua: |
| 02:04.13 | Repo | Modify random code to guarantee titles won't repeat immediately. |
| 02:06.40 | Xinhuan | "i have a request for wowinterface. make it publicly visible how much money has been donated in a grand total on the same page asking for donations. im sure that would satisfy many people. " |
| 02:06.45 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:06.54 | Xinhuan | people sure have a lot of ideas |
| 02:07.08 | Xinhuan | some of which just aren't possible hehe |
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| 02:07.54 | SqueeG | I love people who talk for everyoen else =D |
| 02:08.06 | SqueeG | When really... no one else wants what that person is saying |
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| 02:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | I think I speak for everyone when I say that what WoW really needs is a built-in sexual encounter simulator |
| 02:10.28 | ckknight | e-humps ZorbaTHut |
| 02:10.32 | ckknight | I fully agree. |
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| 02:11.22 | Kilroo | I thought it already had that. |
| 02:11.59 | Kilroo | How many of the dances involve a pelvic thrust? Night elf male, at least... |
| 02:12.38 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r73 whispercommands.lua: typeof |
| 02:12.45 | ckknight | let's all do the bump |
| 02:12.54 | ckknight | also, great commit message there, eh? |
| 02:16.49 | SqueeG | almost as awesome as your commit messages ck :p |
| 02:16.55 | SqueeG | not quite of par yet though =p |
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| 02:17.58 | ckknight | hey, my commit messages are pretty good, I'd say |
| 02:18.11 | Starinnia | the best ones even include sound effects |
| 02:18.42 | SqueeG | sweet sauce :p |
| 02:19.33 | Repo | 10titletronic: 03quantorsht * r9 Core.lua: |
| 02:19.36 | Repo | Grrr. Make sure to clear ChosenTitlesList when regenerating title list. |
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| 02:21.52 | Torhal | SqueeG: I added presets to the latest Volumizer alpha. |
| 02:22.06 | Torhal | Just need to add the ability to add/remove them. |
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| 02:29.51 | SqueeG | oooh.... looks like i need to update :p |
| 02:30.17 | SqueeG | Torhal: do you remember the problem with disembedding libqtip? |
| 02:31.38 | Torhal | SqueeG: Feh? |
| 02:32.00 | Torhal | SqueeG: I got rid of the -nolib version of it if that's what you're referring to... |
| 02:32.27 | SqueeG | Of wha? volumizer? |
| 02:32.34 | Torhal | LibQTip |
| 02:32.38 | SqueeG | oh |
| 02:32.45 | SqueeG | that'd explain it i guess |
| 02:33.01 | SqueeG | i was playing with disembeds today :p |
| 02:33.07 | Torhal | I was having a dumbass moment and nolib-stripped LibStub. |
| 02:33.28 | Torhal | Fixed it a couple of days ago, though |
| 02:33.44 | SqueeG | T_T |
| 02:34.32 | Repo | 10charge-meter: 03Starinnia * r27 ChargeMeter.lua: cleanup printed messages |
| 02:35.10 | SqueeG | King of the mountain is my all time favorite daily.. |
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| 02:50.30 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r74 whispercommands.lua: found it! |
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| 03:08.19 | Xinhuan | @describe titletronic |
| 03:08.20 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/titletronic/. TitleTronic. With patch 3 and the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, players will have available multiple titles for their character. TitleTronic will randomly select a new title for your character. Currently,... |
| 03:09.24 | SqueeG | @describe Xinhuan |
| 03:09.25 | Repo | SqueeG: No project found that matches 'xinhuan' |
| 03:09.28 | SqueeG | =p |
| 03:09.44 | Xinhuan | i should write a addon writing guide |
| 03:09.53 | SqueeG | You should! |
| 03:09.57 | ckknight | go for it |
| 03:10.09 | SqueeG | connect 4! |
| 03:10.17 | SqueeG | Has anyone tried keql? |
| 03:10.26 | Xinhuan | it obviously won't be anywhere close to wowprogramming |
| 03:10.27 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 03:10.27 | SqueeG | I can't figure out what the error that it's throwing is |
| 03:10.41 | Xinhuan | and i would have to figure out if posting it on the Tip/guides forum is better, or as knowledge base |
| 03:10.52 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it could be kinda cool if we had a "guides" section on wowace/curseforge that users could submit to |
| 03:10.59 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 03:11.18 | Xinhuan | right now, the "guides" section that users CAN submit guides to, is the "Tips/Guides" forum |
| 03:11.20 | SqueeG | It'd be nice if there was a wiki |
| 03:11.35 | Xinhuan | it is moderated (requires a forum mod to approve new threads) |
| 03:11.38 | ckknight | SqueeG: we essentially have a wiki, it's just locked down |
| 03:11.39 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 03:11.55 | ckknight | SqueeG: and there's a per-project wiki |
| 03:12.11 | SqueeG | I know there is |
| 03:12.13 | ckknight | an idea we were throwing around earlier was to have a page-based project rather than a file-based project |
| 03:12.14 | Xinhuan | we aren't seeing much usage of that forum though :< |
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| 03:12.22 | ckknight | that way people could have guides or whatever |
| 03:12.29 | SqueeG | but it's not very easy to navigate... that doesn't sound teh way i mean to convene it |
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| 03:12.58 | ckknight | SqueeG: I mean the knowledge base |
| 03:13.06 | ckknight | it's kind of a global moderator-only wiki |
| 03:13.12 | ckknight | having a guides section would be cool |
| 03:13.19 | SqueeG | It would be really nifty |
| 03:13.21 | ckknight | where you create a guide, it gives you a namespace to mess with |
| 03:13.33 | SqueeG | Things seemed to be added a lot more often when more people were allowed to do it |
| 03:13.48 | ckknight | yea, just handling moderation is an issue |
| 03:13.51 | SqueeG | I may suck at building a mod from the groudn up... but I can do wiki entries ;p |
| 03:13.58 | Xinhuan | the question though, is whether it is worth the effort to add such a guides section, and whether people would use it |
| 03:14.12 | SqueeG | well |
| 03:14.23 | SqueeG | could the guide section eb used for documentation and stuff as well? |
| 03:14.45 | Arrowmaster | what kinda documentation? |
| 03:14.45 | ckknight | documentation for what? |
| 03:14.48 | SqueeG | Or even addon listing as per the ldb page? |
| 03:15.04 | Xinhuan | for eg, if i posted a guide on tips/guides forums, people can reply directly for queries |
| 03:15.32 | Xinhuan | compared to the clumsier "message board" thingy on the knowledge base |
| 03:15.36 | ckknight | Xinhuan: well, we're gonna want user-submitted guides eventually, for ... other ideas (non-WoW) |
| 03:15.37 | SqueeG | Well, i saw a lot of good back and forth in the old wowace wiki |
| 03:15.51 | SqueeG | on doc pages people would post tips or tricks they used, or even examples |
| 03:15.52 | Xinhuan | well true, i see merit in that |
| 03:16.33 | Xinhuan | there's only 2 guides on the tips/forums guides now, i wrote one of them, the other one... well he asked if he could make a "dummy wowace project" just to have a namespace to upload screenshots for his guide |
| 03:16.34 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 03:16.38 | Xinhuan | we allwed it |
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| 03:17.28 | ckknight | well, the idea for guides is that it'd just be the same a project, except with a different layout and no file uploads or repository |
| 03:17.36 | ckknight | ...basically |
| 03:17.39 | ckknight | that's my idea, at least |
| 03:17.51 | SqueeG | And who'd be able to add/edit them? |
| 03:17.51 | Xinhuan | there's 2 types of guides though |
| 03:17.58 | Xinhuan | one is a "tree-like" guide |
| 03:18.05 | Xinhuan | and the other type reads just like a book |
| 03:18.25 | Xinhuan | its essential that navigation between pages be easy |
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| 03:18.40 | ckknight | Xinhuan: no reason we can't allow something like that. |
| 03:18.42 | SqueeG | this weather man was fucking useless |
| 03:18.48 | ckknight | I'm all for adding cool stuff. |
| 03:19.06 | Xinhuan | pitbull4 documentation right now, for eg, looks like a "tree-like" guide |
| 03:19.06 | SqueeG | ck |
| 03:19.07 | ckknight | SqueeG: the owner and whoever they want, also the possibility of an open free-for-all |
| 03:19.11 | ckknight | Xinhuan: right |
| 03:19.17 | Xinhuan | and navigating from one part to another is somewhat clumsy |
| 03:19.21 | SqueeG | why can't a person just search tags on curse >.< |
| 03:19.49 | SqueeG | A wiki style guide section would ...optimal imo |
| 03:19.56 | ckknight | Xinhuan: dude, I get what you're saying. |
| 03:19.57 | SqueeG | erm |
| 03:20.00 | SqueeG | open wiki |
| 03:20.00 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 03:20.28 | Arrowmaster | if its a wiki then you can setup navigation how ever you want |
| 03:20.48 | Xinhuan | yes, but it'll be somewhat manual Arrowmaster, if you do it that way |
| 03:21.06 | Xinhuan | even more interesting things to think about in the future, could be to add blogging stuff for users (whoa) |
| 03:21.23 | SqueeG | xd |
| 03:21.24 | ckknight | Xinhuan: already have that. |
| 03:21.26 | Arrowmaster | curse has that |
| 03:21.32 | ckknight | curseforge/wowace has it, too |
| 03:21.33 | ckknight | go to your user profile |
| 03:21.36 | ckknight | you can set up your blog |
| 03:21.41 | ckknight | :P |
| 03:21.48 | Xinhuan | its not very visible hehe |
| 03:21.54 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:21.55 | ckknight | I know |
| 03:21.59 | ckknight | we could make it more visible |
| 03:22.02 | ckknight | that's always an option |
| 03:22.09 | Xinhuan | anyone use the blog features yet? |
| 03:22.26 | ckknight | yea, I saw like 50 people make a single blog post |
| 03:22.28 | ckknight | :P |
| 03:22.29 | ckknight | <.< |
| 03:22.30 | ckknight | >.> |
| 03:22.34 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 03:22.54 | SqueeG | sure you didn't make 50 tests that had latin jargen in them? ;p |
| 03:22.59 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:22.59 | ckknight | nah |
| 03:23.11 | ckknight | I want to do an HTML + CSS overhaul sometime soon, to make things more consistent and extensible |
| 03:23.18 | ckknight | that'll be after I finish up with the author store, though |
| 03:24.47 | SqueeG | fuck sake |
| 03:24.54 | SqueeG | CHEAP apartments in new york? |
| 03:25.00 | ckknight | no, SqueeG |
| 03:25.01 | SqueeG | everything around me has been shite! |
| 03:25.04 | WobWork | hahaha |
| 03:25.18 | digmouse | Free game cards lol |
| 03:25.22 | SqueeG | sorry... the news is on |
| 03:26.23 | ckknight | digmouse: that's the idea |
| 03:26.27 | SqueeG | yayblog |
| 03:26.45 | digmouse | ckknight: I can enjoy nothing of it :( |
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| 03:26.51 | ckknight | why's that? |
| 03:27.23 | digmouse | since curse is not offering CWoW game cards I think :D |
| 03:28.24 | ckknight | chinese? |
| 03:28.37 | ckknight | actually to start off with, we'll be supplying Amazon gift cards only |
| 03:28.42 | ckknight | we may progress after that |
| 03:29.08 | Arrowmaster | but blizz lets you purchase gamecards online as gifts to other people |
| 03:29.32 | digmouse | heh that should be a fine plan for encouraging authors anyway |
| 03:30.14 | Arrowmaster | is there an amazon.cn? |
| 03:30.33 | WobWork | not afaik |
| 03:30.46 | digmouse | WobWork: there is |
| 03:30.54 | WobWork | oh wow |
| 03:30.56 | ckknight | you can always transfer points to someone else and they could pay you under-the-table |
| 03:31.01 | ckknight | as long as we're not involved |
| 03:31.12 | digmouse | aha |
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| 03:31.16 | WobWork | nudge nudge wink wink |
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| 03:31.46 | WobWork | damnit, why isn't there an amazon.com.au? =P |
| 03:31.56 | WobWork | I feel cheated |
| 03:33.05 | SqueeG | My computer's beeping >.. |
| 03:33.08 | SqueeG | >.>* |
| 03:33.19 | ckknight | G'day, it's amazon |
| 03:33.23 | ckknight | Roight okay yup |
| 03:34.03 | digmouse | bee bee boom |
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| 03:34.20 | digmouse | (or it's "beep beep boom"?) |
| 03:34.37 | SqueeG | xD |
| 03:34.38 | SqueeG | nope |
| 03:34.43 | SqueeG | just a "beep" |
| 03:34.47 | SqueeG | kinda like "hey!" |
| 03:34.56 | SqueeG | and then it goes back to whirring it's fans |
| 03:34.57 | SqueeG | :p |
| 03:35.15 | SqueeG | I thought it might be a heat thing at first |
| 03:35.19 | SqueeG | but it doesn't even hit 60 |
| 03:36.02 | SqueeG | oh wait 63 C |
| 03:36.05 | SqueeG | iunno, w/e |
| 03:42.25 | SqueeG | aaaaaaaaaaahahahaha |
| 03:42.48 | SqueeG | "you can have a lawn just like the yankees.... it's very expensive, and dies in October." =p |
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| 04:01.51 | SqueeG | uh oh |
| 04:01.57 | SqueeG | i made someone gquit >.. |
| 04:01.59 | SqueeG | >.>* |
| 04:02.06 | robotusch | Good job |
| 04:02.54 | WobWork | dramaquits are stupid |
| 04:03.04 | SqueeG | they're funny :p |
| 04:03.20 | SqueeG | i was ranting about politics >.> |
| 04:03.22 | SqueeG | i shouldn't have |
| 04:03.27 | SqueeG | but then i made a joke :p |
| 04:03.29 | SqueeG | woops |
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| 04:38.14 | Aiiane | http://experiments.instrum3nt.com/markmahoney/ball/# |
| 04:46.05 | Kaelten | how's it goin? |
| 04:46.15 | SqueeG | Tiiiiiiiired |
| 04:47.08 | WobWork | Aiiane: chromeexperiments.com/ |
| 04:47.22 | Kaelten | Aiiane: that's cool |
| 04:47.49 | Kaelten | SqueeG: hehe, I'm fixing random things on the mac client atm |
| 04:48.12 | SqueeG | at nearly 1 AM? |
| 04:48.15 | SqueeG | you're a beast! |
| 04:48.31 | Aiiane | WobWork: I know |
| 04:48.52 | WobWork | some crazy toys on there |
| 04:49.20 | Kaelten | well it's only midnight here |
| 04:49.47 | WobWork | http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/bomomo/ is utterly cool |
| 04:50.36 | SqueeG | is any one offended by close minded christians? |
| 04:51.02 | SqueeG | that sounded wrong... |
| 04:51.07 | Kaelten | na they taste like chicken |
| 04:51.08 | SqueeG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwuRVY_qaQ <== funny |
| 04:52.26 | Repo | 10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r116 Bidder/Bidder.lua: fixed minor bug in bid handling. |
| 04:52.37 | Repo | 10magiclooter: 03dhedbor * r18 Modules/LootMenu/LootMenu.lua: fixed minor bug in bid handling. |
| 04:52.52 | Kaelten | this javascript raytracer is impressive |
| 04:54.25 | SqueeG | O_o |
| 04:54.25 | Kaelten | http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/javascript-canvas-raytracer/ |
| 04:54.43 | SqueeG | Sounds like an alien tracking device =D |
| 04:55.01 | Kaelten | 3d graphics |
| 04:55.36 | SqueeG | O_o that is pretty cool |
| 04:58.29 | Dashkal | That's nifty, but my CPU hates it |
| 04:58.45 | Dashkal | Course I'm running in firefox, not chrome |
| 04:58.59 | Kaelten | I'm doing decent in safari 4 |
| 05:00.45 | Cartas | 1680*1050 in Firefox uses about 50% of my CPU constantly - for about 10mins :P |
| 05:00.46 | Dashkal | It's choking to death on this band. about 5 seconds a line |
| 05:00.59 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, one of my cores is redlined |
| 05:01.47 | Dashkal | Unfortunately, since I'm using chatzilla, my IRC is choking with the browser |
| 05:01.55 | Aiiane | lol |
| 05:01.57 | Cartas | Haha. |
| 05:02.03 | Cartas | Modularity failure! :( |
| 05:02.11 | Aiiane | and this is why I don't use chatzilla. |
| 05:02.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 05:02.23 | Dashkal | Agreed. I love Cz, but I need a way to use it outside of firefox |
| 05:02.23 | Aiiane | (honestly, it's the main reason I don't) |
| 05:02.30 | Kaelten | there is one |
| 05:02.43 | WobWork | prism |
| 05:02.47 | WobWork | ? |
| 05:03.13 | Dashkal | I may have to investigate. I don't want to have to change clients |
| 05:03.19 | Kaelten | http://blondechris.com/chatzilla-on-xulrunner/ |
| 05:03.30 | Kaelten | that's what I used to use |
| 05:03.48 | WobWork | http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/10/prism/ |
| 05:04.13 | Kaelten | WobWork: chatzilla is a standalone xul app at it's core, there isn't any reason why it should be depenedent on firefox other than it 'just is' |
| 05:04.33 | Kaelten | no reason to run it in prism, the guy should package it up as mozzilla does FF |
| 05:05.21 | Kaelten | but yeah Dash: I used that package when I was on windows |
| 05:05.28 | SqueeG | =p |
| 05:05.34 | SqueeG | Kael has since then graduated :p |
| 05:05.37 | SqueeG | Night folks |
| 05:05.42 | Dashkal | Now the question is, will it run on my ubuntu install :p |
| 05:05.51 | Kaelten | night squee |
| 05:05.57 | Kaelten | Dashkal, hehe |
| 05:06.07 | SqueeG | I'd like an irc client similar to pidgin's as a standalone =( |
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| 05:06.18 | Dashkal | Part of why I use Cz is so I have exactly the same irc client |
| 05:06.25 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 05:06.28 | Kaelten | I know what you mean |
| 05:06.34 | Kaelten | I just find my PC collecting dust more and more :s |
| 05:08.14 | Dashkal | lua> 623288 / 1000 / 60 |
| 05:08.14 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 10.388133333333 |
| 05:08.27 | Dashkal | 10 minutes for 800x640 with AA |
| 05:09.03 | Kaelten | ouch |
| 05:09.16 | Dashkal | This PC is getting dated. |
| 05:09.26 | Dashkal | Too many more important expenses *shrugs* |
| 05:10.03 | Kaelten | nods |
| 05:10.14 | Kaelten | I know what you mean |
| 05:11.16 | Kaelten | side note |
| 05:11.16 | Kaelten | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d570a11775ffc354e603db0d83a26bc2.png |
| 05:11.28 | Kaelten | new icon for the mac client I hacked up in photoshop |
| 05:12.16 | Dashkal | OSGi Declarative Services are making my head hurt :S |
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| 05:12.55 | Kaelten | I'm writing objective-c++ for an app supposedly written with a framework that'd make platform specific code largely uneeded |
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| 05:14.20 | Kaelten | Dashkal: so I can understand |
| 05:14.37 | Dashkal | It's a very cool tech, but it seems to be more than my brain can take tonight |
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| 05:35.04 | Kaelten | hehe |
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| 05:37.17 | NeoTron | what's something of type "userdata"? |
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| 06:13.59 | Torhal | Feh |
| 06:15.03 | Torhal | Kaelten: You run WoW under Wine? |
| 06:15.11 | Kaelten | nope |
| 06:15.12 | Kaelten | mac |
| 06:15.19 | Torhal | Ah, that's right. |
| 06:15.23 | Kaelten | NeoTron: "userdata" is the c |
| 06:15.31 | Kaelten | c data object |
| 06:15.41 | basslingo | Mac users ftw ;) |
| 06:15.50 | Kaelten | basslingo: but may wx diaf |
| 06:16.03 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:19.05 | Kaelten | hrm, I can't remember if it's self or this in objc |
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| 06:19.52 | basslingo | its me |
| 06:19.56 | Torhal | Kaelten: The compiler will clear it up, I'm sure |
| 06:19.57 | basslingo | i think.... |
| 06:20.07 | basslingo | no |
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| 06:20.08 | basslingo | self |
| 06:20.09 | Kaelten | Torhal.... don't count on it |
| 06:20.15 | Torhal | Eww. |
| 06:20.15 | Kaelten | self works I do see that |
| 06:20.29 | basslingo | havnt done obj-c in a long time |
| 06:20.33 | basslingo | more of a java guy |
| 06:20.37 | Kaelten | Torhal: it's normally pretty good about things, but I'm actually doing objective-c++ which confuses things a little |
| 06:20.45 | basslingo | ouch -.- |
| 06:20.54 | Torhal | OMFG. I had no idea there was such a beast. |
| 06:21.02 | NeoTron | MagicDKP Client somehow tries to serialize it.. for like 5 out of 25 people |
| 06:21.04 | NeoTron | weirdness |
| 06:21.06 | Kaelten | yeah, writting objective-c++ bridges so the client can work tighter with mac |
| 06:21.37 | Kaelten | write now I'm creating menu items that I have to set up in obj-c cocoa |
| 06:21.56 | Kaelten | and then respond to them via obj-c selectors that call c++ methods |
| 06:22.07 | Kaelten | right now* |
| 06:22.49 | Kaelten | and to top it off I have to keep my header file prestinely C++ complient and throw everything else into the mm file |
| 06:23.19 | Kaelten | Torhal: did you run away? |
| 06:25.30 | Kaelten | well anyway |
| 06:25.31 | Kaelten | gnight |
| 06:25.33 | Kaelten | :) |
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| 06:28.48 | Torhal | Kaelten: No, didn't run away |
| 06:28.55 | Torhal | And that sounds like an insane setup :) |
| 06:29.00 | Kaelten | it is |
| 06:29.03 | Kaelten | side note |
| 06:29.06 | Kaelten | I made a new icon |
| 06:29.06 | basslingo | back, stupid comcast kicked out -.- |
| 06:29.14 | Kaelten | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d570a11775ffc354e603db0d83a26bc2.png |
| 06:29.23 | Kaelten | not sure it'll stick, but it's better than what we had |
| 06:29.32 | basslingo | i like it |
| 06:29.53 | Kaelten | Thanks :) |
| 06:30.02 | Kaelten | it's amazing how much better it looks when you make it at 512x512 |
| 06:30.24 | Kaelten | basslingo: you might have missed me explaining my obj-c++ stuff |
| 06:30.35 | basslingo | mind repeating ;) |
| 06:31.08 | Kaelten | ok, little more detail this time too |
| 06:31.37 | Kaelten | I'm having to write objc to deal with NSStatusItem |
| 06:32.01 | Kaelten | so to add a menu to my icon I have to make NSMenu & NSMenuITems in objc |
| 06:32.20 | Kaelten | all this creation is done by a C++ interface class that has an external header |
| 06:32.39 | Kaelten | so the rest of the code can call it and pretend it all just c++ |
| 06:32.47 | basslingo | lol |
| 06:32.53 | Kaelten | it gets better... |
| 06:33.17 | Kaelten | my NSMenuItem clicks have to be handled by objc class selectors |
| 06:33.32 | Kaelten | which in turn are calling out into the c++ classes |
| 06:33.39 | Kaelten | out in the rest of the code |
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| 06:34.09 | Kaelten | I've used this general technique in 3 places so far.... |
| 06:34.10 | Kaelten | it's evil |
| 06:34.36 | Kaelten | so in summery I have C++ making objc which handles events from other objc so it can calle xternal c++ |
| 06:35.28 | Kaelten | and I'm having to do all this _bullshit_ because wx doesn't handle mac well |
| 06:36.38 | Kaelten | anywho |
| 06:36.40 | Kaelten | goodnight |
| 06:36.41 | basslingo | wxWidgets? |
| 06:36.44 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 06:36.47 | Kaelten | wxMac is a joke |
| 06:36.56 | basslingo | ill play with it some if ya want |
| 06:37.04 | Kaelten | work project |
| 06:37.13 | basslingo | im guessing u want pure Obj-C 2.0? |
| 06:37.18 | Kaelten | (the Curse Client ;)) |
| 06:37.27 | Kaelten | I'm locked in |
| 06:37.39 | Kaelten | I'm working around limitations in the system |
| 06:38.04 | BWMerlin | i am using whohas and it can display item counts across all your toons and guild banks but it relies on a backend provided by other addons |
| 06:38.23 | BWMerlin | is there a lib that i can use as this backend or do i have to install something heavier |
| 06:39.15 | Kaelten | I used to have one, but I haven't updated it yet |
| 06:39.57 | Kaelten | anywho poof for real |
| 06:39.58 | Kaelten | night |
| 06:39.59 | BWMerlin | are you planning to? |
| 06:40.17 | basslingo | night Kaelten, ill play with the framework some.... see if i can help |
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| 07:05.02 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r42 ClassDefaults.lua: Fixed priests' Inner Fire. |
| 07:05.05 | Repo | Added defaults for warriors, including some talent procs. |
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| 07:21.52 | NeoTron | aha figured out where the "userdata" came from |
| 07:22.02 | NeoTron | I tried to send "item" isntead of "mod.item" |
| 07:22.10 | NeoTron | which means I on occasion did send some random data |
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| 07:52.29 | Repo | 10magic-dkp_client: 03dhedbor * r47 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 07:52.32 | Repo | Fixed issue with passing (accidental use of a global variable caused random failure). |
| 07:54.04 | Elkano | ~seen nymbia |
| 07:54.07 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-165-238-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 25d 3h 32m 49s ago, saying: 'well, what's kinda nice about some of the code i've got'. |
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| 09:08.59 | orionshock | ... overly micro-managing spores on lothab... |
| 09:09.03 | orionshock | jsut stupid... |
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| 09:10.15 | papyros | nick papyros |
| 09:10.32 | Zyndrome | orionshock , Spore Loser? :< |
| 09:10.40 | orionshock | lol |
| 09:10.51 | orionshock | no our 10man is just being stupid about spores. |
| 09:11.04 | selckin | just kill em, its hard |
| 09:11.09 | orionshock | when i did it, you just killed spores when they poped it ws your problem wrt to the buff it gave |
| 09:11.21 | orionshock | just don't pop em unless there is 3 ppl standing there |
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| 09:43.29 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r639 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 09:43.32 | Repo | - Added an option to show the name of the raid members vehicles on their status bar |
| 09:43.35 | Repo | - Added an option to toggle the display of the vehicle power bar |
| 09:43.38 | Repo | - Improved behavior when vehicle info "lags", would previously show "Offline", will now show as full HP and schedule a full update in 0.2 seconds to get the real values. |
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| 09:53.38 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r640 sRaidFrames.lua: Show the vehicle name in the unit tooltip. |
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| 10:00.34 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r641 sRaidFrames.lua: Fixes to Status behavior on vehicles |
| 10:02.44 | Castigo | does anyone knows how to know if a target/source is a mob |
| 10:02.46 | Castigo | from the combat log? |
| 10:03.09 | Castigo | totems seems to have npc flag and pet flag up aswell |
| 10:03.12 | Castigo | (same as bosses) |
| 10:03.15 | Castigo | *mobs |
| 10:03.52 | Castigo | and aswell |
| 10:03.57 | Castigo | the reaction hostile |
| 10:04.00 | selckin | you can tell from the guid |
| 10:04.05 | Castigo | is for the npc not in combat or always? |
| 10:04.08 | Castigo | selckin can i? |
| 10:04.34 | selckin | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 10:05.08 | Castigo | i am already on that page |
| 10:05.19 | Castigo | i can't see any mention of "guid is mob if..." |
| 10:06.20 | selckin | learn to read then |
| 10:06.39 | Castigo | unless u consider NPC a mob |
| 10:06.50 | Castigo | istill can't see it |
| 10:07.32 | Castigo | atm i am checking the "hostile" flag |
| 10:07.46 | Castigo | but i suppose not all raid bosses are "hostile" atleast at the start |
| 10:07.57 | Castigo | duunno if that flag changes with time tho |
| 10:08.52 | nevcairiel | they change when they fight you |
| 10:09.28 | selckin | if its an npc and it's hostile, its probably what you call a 'mob' |
| 10:09.32 | Castigo | cool so i can check that |
| 10:09.47 | selckin | but you can be mindcontrolled and then things get fun |
| 10:09.47 | Castigo | selckin i was thinking at bbw in kara for example |
| 10:09.50 | Castigo | it's not hostile on spawn |
| 10:10.21 | selckin | .. |
| 10:10.34 | Castigo | unless the flag changes over time |
| 10:10.40 | Castigo | once he changes his reaction |
| 10:10.43 | Castigo | it's not usable |
| 10:10.53 | Castigo | and i don't have a kara log to check :( |
| 10:10.54 | selckin | gives up |
| 10:11.27 | Castigo | >< |
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| 10:21.26 | sb|work | i really dont understand people who want to transfer to some AQ-closed server to get mount and then transfer back %-) wtf, giev insane title |
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| 10:22.46 | nevcairiel | Its even funnier when those people complain that the gate will open before the transfers are available |
| 10:23.11 | sb|work | yes... :p |
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| 10:25.04 | nevcairiel | they spent one month on some random server just for a freaking mount and feat of strength |
| 10:25.15 | sb|work | yup... |
| 10:27.01 | neon | Is there any way to set a cooldown on an item/spell that will get returned with GetItemCooldown("itemid")? Trying to modify OmniCC/CooldownCount to track trinket ICDs |
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| 10:36.59 | BWMerlin | neon idk but there were a lot of mods that tracked the wf internal cd maybe something in one of them has what you are looking for |
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| 10:40.24 | neon | BWMerlin, I'll take a look at it, thanks |
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| 10:41.59 | BWMerlin | i have nfi about writing mods etc but the wf cd's sounds similar to what you are looking 4 |
| 10:42.03 | neon | Ah, well, the actual tracking of the trinket proc isn't the problem, the problem is getting it to work together with the original cooldown tracking addons that just use the getitemcooldown functions (like omnicc/cooldowncount) |
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| 11:04.36 | orionshock | uck |
| 11:04.48 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.00 | orionshock | any idea what it was changed to? |
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| 12:06.10 | Kazie | Is there anyone here who can tell me how come i cannot alter the hight on my power bar, with Pitbull, when it's set to be on the left/right side of the HealthBar. I've seen others do so, but the options simply isn't there :s |
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| 12:06.45 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Any plans on adding a search for API/FrameXML methods to wowprogramming.com? |
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| 12:07.59 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: yeah, I've thought about havign cross-referencing tools |
| 12:08.02 | jnwhiteh | just don't have anything at the moment |
| 12:08.29 | jnwhiteh | need to get a few things off my plate before I can work on something like that right now =/ |
| 12:08.41 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: New book? |
| 12:08.53 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: hrm? |
| 12:09.08 | Torhal | Oh, was just asking about the "few things on my plate" |
| 12:09.20 | Torhal | err, off* |
| 12:09.35 | jnwhiteh | the second edition of wowprogramming, but that's sadly not the biggest thing I have right now |
| 12:09.38 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:10.14 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Oh, I've been meaning to ask: Why do you use getglobal() in Clique rather than _G? |
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| 12:10.32 | jnwhiteh | no particular reason |
| 12:10.37 | jnwhiteh | I don't particularly like the use of _G |
| 12:10.42 | jnwhiteh | too many people fuck with it |
| 12:10.51 | Torhal | Doesn't seem to impact performance in any measurable way |
| 12:11.01 | Torhal | Was just curious :) |
| 12:11.07 | jnwhiteh | of course it wouldn't, its the cost of a function call in a non-critical path =) |
| 12:11.53 | Torhal | That's one of the things that drive me nuts about the WoWAce forums...people like to rant about things when they don't matter. That is one example. |
| 12:12.10 | Torhal | If it's in a heavy loop, use _G, else getglobal() isn't going to harm you |
| 12:12.21 | jnwhiteh | i wouldn't ever use _G |
| 12:12.30 | jnwhiteh | at the best, I would use local genv = getfenv(0) |
| 12:12.49 | Torhal | Ah, I override _G with getfenv(0) |
| 12:13.09 | Torhal | Though I should probably use something akin to genv for clarity |
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| 12:13.23 | jnwhiteh | I like knowing when references are mine =) |
| 12:13.28 | Torhal | Exactly. |
| 12:13.31 | jnwhiteh | and its clearer |
| 12:13.33 | Torhal | Yup |
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| 12:15.40 | orionshock | ok.. just found something fairly odd |
| 12:15.56 | orionshock | GetRaidTargetIndex("partyNtarget") always returns 1 or seems to when you are ungrouped |
| 12:15.58 | orionshock | >.> |
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| 12:22.58 | stolenlegacy | are there still any immune mobs that allow you to level your weaponskills easily the same way those near the dark portal did pre-wotlk? |
| 12:23.11 | haste | nope, they fixed that last patch |
| 12:28.01 | Arrowmaster | did you check the banished guy above black temple? |
| 12:28.14 | Arrowmaster | that was the guy i used to max the last of mine |
| 12:28.21 | Zyndrome | oh hello PTR , http://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/bullshit.jpg |
| 12:28.23 | Zyndrome | gfg |
| 12:28.43 | Pneumatus | did you try the guy inside the obsidian dragonshrine in DB? |
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| 12:29.30 | Arrowmaster | theres a guy in the obsidian dragonshrine? |
| 12:29.33 | selckin | behind the king in diremail you can level weapon too |
| 12:29.43 | Arrowmaster | ill admit ive only stepped in the door to make cloth once |
| 12:29.54 | Arrowmaster | i heard the ghosts were fixed in dm |
| 12:29.58 | Grum | Zyndrome: you wiped on that boss?!? |
| 12:30.07 | Pneumatus | Zyndrome: you dont get loot notifications from other people looting badges anymore? |
| 12:30.13 | Zyndrome | we had no idea what to do :P |
| 12:30.16 | Zyndrome | "just go lol" |
| 12:30.23 | Zyndrome | only knew about adds growing |
| 12:30.26 | Zyndrome | and exploding |
| 12:30.41 | Grum | adds growing? o.O |
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| 12:31.05 | Grum | ok .. this is just the regular VoA boss right? o.O |
| 12:31.14 | Grum | or do we have another free-epics dummy now? o.O |
| 12:31.37 | Arrowmaster | he has adds? |
| 12:31.56 | Zyndrome | yes |
| 12:32.00 | Zyndrome | Emalon the Stone Watcher |
| 12:32.03 | TooGood | hi guys, im toogood, and i commentate the blizzard arena tournaments, and also do a weekely wow show every wednesday, this week one of our topics is the blizzard policy change to addons. So im looking for a addon coder to come on our interent tv show to talk to us about it at 22cet |
| 12:32.06 | Grum | ah ... its a new pinata |
| 12:32.07 | Zyndrome | he is pretty easy, but... |
| 12:32.21 | Grum | more free loot it is i guess |
| 12:33.05 | Arrowmaster | TooGood: talk to cogwheel |
| 12:33.06 | Zyndrome | you need 2 tanks, one for Emalon ofc, and one for the adds .. neither hits very hard, but he does chain lightning, so spreading helps, and he occassionally does a so called lightning nova, so melee run out, rinse and repeat |
| 12:33.10 | Zyndrome | but the adds are special |
| 12:33.28 | Grum | Zyndrome: he looked like the normal boss hehe |
| 12:33.34 | Zyndrome | as soon as one begins to grow, gaining a buff that stacks, you need to kill it asap before it reaches 10 stacks |
| 12:33.34 | Grum | couldnt imagine anyone wiping on that hehehe |
| 12:33.38 | Zyndrome | if it reaches 10 : KABOOM |
| 12:33.40 | Zyndrome | raid dead |
| 12:33.48 | Zyndrome | so switching needs to be done -fast- |
| 12:33.53 | Grum | ohnoes that means pugs cant kill it |
| 12:34.17 | TooGood | Arrowmaster: is cogwheel american? |
| 12:34.18 | Grum | how many adds does he have? or do some get spawned? |
| 12:34.29 | Grum | TooGood: does that matter? |
| 12:34.43 | Zyndrome | Grum : 4 |
| 12:34.47 | TooGood | grum: hes asleep thats all, and my show starts 22cet so earlier i can contact someone the better |
| 12:34.54 | Zyndrome | when you kill one, it respawns, so you always have 4 adds |
| 12:34.56 | TooGood | grum: also americans r good talkers so its good for the show |
| 12:34.59 | Zyndrome | but they hit for shit anyway |
| 12:35.10 | Grum | TooGood: americans are good talkes? ... >< |
| 12:35.12 | Grum | +r >< |
| 12:35.24 | Zyndrome | you just have to kill them very fast as soon as they gain some buff, which BigWigs and DBM will most likely mark when updated |
| 12:35.53 | Grum | TooGood: good luck finding someone in time o.O |
| 12:36.00 | TooGood | well my show is english, so native speakers is sometimes easier though, on tonightsd show we have coold from bulgaria winner of IEM continetals |
| 12:36.06 | TooGood | grum: there is always time :) |
| 12:36.19 | Grum | just not always someone in that time ;) |
| 12:36.40 | selckin | depends if you want some asshat or someone that can talk usefull about it |
| 12:36.50 | TooGood | well, i wanted a coder to talk about hte blizzard changes and carbonite etc |
| 12:36.50 | Grum | all americans are asshats! :p |
| 12:36.55 | TooGood | usefull > asshat |
| 12:37.03 | Grum | usefull == tool |
| 12:37.03 | TooGood | but i dont know the coding community very well :( |
| 12:37.16 | TooGood | i was just directed here :) |
| 12:37.20 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel would be the best imho if he will do it, hes been one of the most vocal about the change and hes a former green poster on the forums |
| 12:37.21 | Grum | TooGood: any of the ops should be able to help you |
| 12:37.34 | TooGood | ok guys that sounds awesome |
| 12:37.37 | TooGood | thanks so much |
| 12:37.43 | TooGood | if i get them to come on the show |
| 12:37.45 | Grum | that or get a hold of iriel :) |
| 12:37.45 | TooGood | ill post the show in here |
| 12:37.47 | TooGood | so u can watch |
| 12:38.05 | Grum | but shouldnt you be posting this on the wow ui forums? :) |
| 12:38.15 | Grum | you might get faster response there |
| 12:38.39 | TooGood | well i just emailed the creator of carbonite 3 days ago |
| 12:38.43 | TooGood | hten i was off sick |
| 12:38.46 | TooGood | so havent done nething since ;( |
| 12:38.51 | TooGood | and he didnt reply |
| 12:38.56 | TooGood | *cry* |
| 12:39.26 | Arrowmaster | im not supprised |
| 12:39.31 | Grum | creator of carbonite? you mean that filthy piece of shit asshat that steals public code in order to then sell it? |
| 12:39.33 | jnwhiteh | You would also be better off asking in #wowuidev |
| 12:39.47 | jnwhiteh | considering this channel does not always reflect the overall addon community =) |
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| 12:40.08 | TooGood | ops |
| 12:40.12 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 12:40.36 | Fisker- | yo momma |
| 12:40.46 | Arrowmaster | ignore the troll |
| 12:41.43 | Grum | truth is truth :) |
| 12:42.40 | thul | hugs Fisker- |
| 12:42.43 | thul | you are no troll my cutest Fisker- |
| 12:43.12 | Grum | yeah i think you should talk to Fisker-, he embodies the average person in the community :P |
| 12:43.18 | Grum | brainless and scary |
| 12:44.54 | thul | they are just jealous of our intellect and our karisma Fisker- |
| 12:45.25 | sb|work | what? thul and Fisker- are brothers? |
| 12:45.56 | thul | we have a bromance going on |
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| 13:57.50 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libtagcompiler-2-0/. LibTagCompiler-2.0. durcyn (Manager/Author), Phanx (Author). Approved by Nevcairiel. |
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| 14:09.18 | Industrial | When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. |
| 14:09.18 | Industrial | wat? |
| 14:09.28 | Industrial | what about religion |
| 14:09.33 | Industrial | *badoom tschh* |
| 14:16.19 | Seerah | tickles Indie |
| 14:21.10 | ckknight | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1237990683765.jpg |
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| 14:24.16 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r78 / (2 files in 1 directory): Bump version number to 1.0.1. |
| 14:24.36 | BWMerlin | idk if i want to click that |
| 14:24.40 | BWMerlin | its from 4chan |
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| 14:26.29 | BWMerlin | ok i clicked it |
| 14:26.35 | BWMerlin | and that was the most bullshit thing ever |
| 14:26.48 | BWMerlin | let him starve and fall of the roof |
| 14:27.19 | BWMerlin | fuck his human rights, he gave them up when he committed a crime |
| 14:27.47 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v1.0.1 * r79 : Tagging as v1.0.1 |
| 14:27.51 | Repo | New features: |
| 14:27.54 | Repo | - Bug fixes in tooltips and click handlers |
| 14:27.57 | Repo | - Shift-click in "Buy" frame |
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| 14:42.31 | ckknight | http://www.sexisforfags.com/ |
| 14:42.50 | Kaelten | gmorning |
| 14:43.41 | Baraius | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.17 | winkiller | mhm, any idea why TitanPanel won't show me any LDB Launchers? |
| 14:51.34 | Dark_Elf | perhaps they have to be checked to show them when u click on the titanpanel |
| 14:53.28 | winkiller | I'm not really getting what you mean :P But I think I looked on every config option. and they should appear on the right side, but they don't |
| 14:53.49 | winkiller | I have only the builtins and zero (external) LDB addons there |
| 14:59.24 | winkiller | damn, now ckk left |
| 15:00.28 | Sariah_ | If I do frame:SetScript("OnEnter", function() do some stuff end), is it a must to do frame:SetScript("OnEnter", nil) before doing frame = nil to not get a memory leak? |
| 15:02.19 | Sariah_ | right now I seem to lose the memory allocated by the function set every time, even after garbagecollect. Unless I do SetScript("OnEnter", nil) |
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| 15:05.25 | kagaro | anyone know the baseline resolution in game? |
| 15:06.04 | AckisWork | sup kag |
| 15:06.08 | AckisWork | aro |
| 15:06.10 | kagaro | sup ackis |
| 15:06.13 | AckisWork | @project reflex |
| 15:06.14 | Repo | AckisWork: No project found that matches 'reflex' |
| 15:06.20 | AckisWork | @project reflux |
| 15:06.21 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/reflux/. Reflux. Game: WoW. kagaro (Manager/Author). Updated: 26 hours ago |
| 15:06.42 | ckknight | kagaro: baseline? |
| 15:06.51 | kagaro | whats the base scale in pixels |
| 15:07.08 | ckknight | well, at scale = 1, it's X x 768 |
| 15:07.15 | ckknight | where X is based on your screen ratio |
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| 15:11.06 | kagaro | i thought it was something along those lines |
| 15:11.17 | BWMerlin | looks like someone has taken up dev of cart again |
| 15:11.24 | ckknight | who did that? |
| 15:11.25 | ckknight | <.< |
| 15:11.26 | ckknight | >.> |
| 15:11.59 | nevcairiel | again? |
| 15:12.33 | BWMerlin | i think so, not 100% sure |
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| 15:14.06 | Repo | 10buffremover: 03crassy * r4 embeds.xml: Updated incorrect embedded library path |
| 15:16.38 | sb|work | nevcairiel: my borders are gone :o |
| 15:16.44 | sb|work | *sigh* :p |
| 15:16.57 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 15:23.09 | BWMerlin | holy crap |
| 15:23.59 | BWMerlin | the dev off outfitter had a list of players who he made his mod not work for |
| 15:24.26 | ramoz | wut? |
| 15:24.56 | AckisWork | BWMerlin: sweet |
| 15:25.20 | BWMerlin | there was a comment about it on curse |
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| 15:25.35 | nevcairiel | what an idiot |
| 15:26.02 | AckisWork | linky? |
| 15:26.02 | nevcairiel | i should've de-obfuscated it =P |
| 15:26.02 | BWMerlin | it was saying how the author of outfitter was self rightouse when he had a list of players in a Douchebags list in outfitter so outfitter wouldnt work for them |
| 15:26.17 | BWMerlin | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/outfitter.aspx#426057 |
| 15:26.18 | VonhintenHOME` | LOL, that's awesome |
| 15:26.23 | BWMerlin | thats the link to them comment |
| 15:26.26 | Elkano | he's not the only one |
| 15:26.34 | AckisWork | does that too |
| 15:27.21 | nevcairiel | good to have mod access on CF to see deleted files, heh |
| 15:27.55 | BWMerlin | http://bwmerlin.pastebin.com/d7c9668c7 is the lines in the outfitter.lua file |
| 15:28.03 | VonhintenHOME` | I fully support the douchebag list idea |
| 15:28.46 | BWMerlin | so who else has a douchebag list in their mod/s |
| 15:28.55 | AckisWork | 09:26 AckisWork does that too |
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| 15:29.49 | nevcairiel | I don't and i never would |
| 15:30.08 | nevcairiel | If i wanted to get rid of people, i could just exempt them from my license and sue them if they use it :) |
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| 15:30.30 | BWMerlin | lol |
| 15:30.43 | VonhintenHOME` | Do both |
| 15:30.45 | Repo | 10reflux: 03kagaro * r20 Reflux.lua: Reflux: upcast some globals |
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| 15:31.07 | AckisWork | bah |
| 15:31.16 | AckisWork | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/outfitter.aspx#425828 <-- they never did the bugmenot thing |
| 15:31.17 | AckisWork | gg |
| 15:31.18 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:34.00 | BWMerlin | what i dont understand is |
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| 15:34.27 | BWMerlin | why are people saying this change is forcing addon devs to be open source with their mods |
| 15:34.43 | Pneumatus | because they are retards |
| 15:34.57 | BWMerlin | i never read anything that said you dont own your source code in the UI changes just you cant charge for it and people have to be able to read it |
| 15:35.44 | selckin | so have to be 'open source' :p (but not 'free software') |
| 15:36.30 | VonhintenHOME` | huh? I thought the ui policy was pretty clear that they did have to be open source |
| 15:36.42 | VonhintenHOME` | and un-obfuscated |
| 15:37.14 | BWMerlin | they way i read it it just said your source had to be readable and ur addon free |
| 15:37.15 | Pneumatus | open source has a specific meaning, and that's not that it's readable |
| 15:37.43 | BWMerlin | didnt say anything about you not owning the IP of the source or which license you distributed it under |
| 15:37.48 | Pneumatus | "Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria: " |
| 15:37.56 | AckisWork | DEAD HORSE IS DEAD |
| 15:38.04 | BWMerlin | no |
| 15:38.06 | Pneumatus | visible readable source != "open source" |
| 15:38.14 | BWMerlin | we must beat this horse more |
| 15:38.19 | BWMerlin | i want my mince meat from it |
| 15:38.27 | BWMerlin | looks at books you read |
| 15:38.32 | Pneumatus | go read the OSD if you want to know the specifics of "Open Source" |
| 15:38.42 | BWMerlin | their "source is open" and you are free to read |
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| 15:38.55 | BWMerlin | but you can not copy the "source" without permisson |
| 15:39.15 | TecnoBrat | rofl http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/tags/keylogger/default.aspx |
| 15:39.54 | TecnoBrat | ckknight, any idea why cartographer is tagged with "keylogger"? :P |
| 15:40.11 | VonhintenHOME` | cause Ckk is in your base, loggin your keys |
| 15:40.16 | TecnoBrat | LOGGIN! |
| 15:40.44 | ckknight | lol. |
| 15:40.50 | Pneumatus | (its true) |
| 15:41.31 | BWMerlin | knew it |
| 15:41.32 | Pneumatus | i wonder if anyone with addons released under an OSI license have "i hate you so you cant use my addon" code in them |
| 15:41.37 | BWMerlin | more reason not to use cart |
| 15:41.45 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r43 ClassDefaults.lua: |
| 15:41.48 | Repo | Changed ClassDefaults.lua declaration function names (beware hackers !) |
| 15:41.51 | Repo | Added some mage defaults. |
| 15:41.51 | AckisWork | Pneumatus: ARL has that |
| 15:41.53 | Repo | Added paladin defaults. |
| 15:41.55 | ckknight | BWMerlin: im loggin ur keyz |
| 15:41.59 | Pneumatus | you arent using an OSI license tho |
| 15:42.03 | AckisWork | i was |
| 15:42.04 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, policy doesn't say "open source", and doesn't imply the right to modify the code. But, "freely accessible" I'm guessing could be stretched pretty thin legally |
| 15:42.12 | AckisWork | then wowmatrix pissed me off |
| 15:42.42 | AckisWork | then I was like "fuck you wowsucktrix!" |
| 15:42.51 | BWMerlin | no mai keyz r l0gg4d |
| 15:43.52 | TecnoBrat | On another note. Will cartographer die a horrible death come 3.1? Or should it still work? :P |
| 15:44.25 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: my "suggestion" i talked to you aboot yesterday was considered a good one, but damn it's not done yet! sheesh!!!! |
| 15:44.30 | Fisker- | <This message requires #wowace DIAMOND account to view> |
| 15:44.38 | nevcairiel | there are some small changes that should make some stuff break |
| 15:44.43 | AckisWork | hi 4chan Fisker- |
| 15:44.50 | nevcairiel | But i bet some random guy will fix cartographer :( |
| 15:45.04 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, you suggested something to me?! |
| 15:45.07 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: closed repo? |
| 15:45.16 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: the listing of dailies by gollldddd |
| 15:45.18 | VonhintenHOME` | I still use cartographer |
| 15:45.20 | nevcairiel | didnt ckk gave permissions to some guy to work on it? |
| 15:45.23 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, oh right |
| 15:45.37 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: way to forget me so soon |
| 15:45.41 | AckisWork | I thought you loved me! :( |
| 15:45.43 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, :( |
| 15:45.46 | Fisker- | outfitter sucks anyways |
| 15:45.48 | Fisker- | any Ackis |
| 15:45.53 | Grum | its quite ok |
| 15:46.01 | Fisker- | to view my message you have to write me your unused blizzcon key |
| 15:46.04 | AckisWork | ~comfort TecnoBrat |
| 15:46.05 | purl | There, there, TecnoBrat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:46.09 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i made him quit remember |
| 15:46.15 | AckisWork | Fisker-: 867-5309 |
| 15:46.17 | BWMerlin | why doesn't someone just pull cart from curse |
| 15:46.21 | Fisker- | no |
| 15:46.23 | BWMerlin | and tell everyone its closed |
| 15:46.25 | Fisker- | i hate you AckisWork |
| 15:46.26 | BWMerlin | coz its a keylogger |
| 15:47.00 | Arrowmaster | as long as its still on curse we still get credit for anybody that still has it installed when premium goes live |
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| 15:47.28 | VonhintenHOME` | What should I be using instead of cartographer |
| 15:47.38 | AckisWork | VonhintenHOME`: ackis recipe list |
| 15:47.41 | VonhintenHOME` | lawl |
| 15:48.13 | Elkano | Mapster, HandyNotes, GatherMate |
| 15:48.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Ackis is in your base, enumeratin yer craftz |
| 15:48.53 | AckisWork | ninja adds ARL as a dependency to Ace2/3 |
| 15:49.16 | TecnoBrat | AHhh Mapster is nev's |
| 15:49.19 | TecnoBrat | okay, it wins |
| 15:50.02 | ckknight | AckisWork: lol |
| 15:50.03 | Arrowmaster | lol wtf somebody uploaded an image for cartographer on nov18 as a bug report and its still there |
| 15:50.08 | Arrowmaster | shows how much we pay attention |
| 15:50.14 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/projects/cartographer/images/5-login-error-with-only-swatter-and-cart-on/ |
| 15:50.33 | BWMerlin | so let me get this right |
| 15:50.58 | BWMerlin | you lot are keeping cart on curse so when premium goes live you get credit and profit even though cart needs to die? |
| 15:51.06 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: that so awesome, a image that even tells you to copy/pasta it |
| 15:51.06 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 15:51.42 | VonhintenHOME` | booo.. CC updated itself on me and didn't import my username/password details.. |
| 15:51.56 | VonhintenHOME` | Now I gotta do work... |
| 15:51.59 | Arrowmaster | that image has been on the curse page for cartographer since november |
| 15:52.03 | AckisWork | nevcairiel, Arrowmaster: did you two see the image of the person who took a camera picture of the error message? |
| 15:52.08 | ckknight | BWMerlin: why would I remove it? |
| 15:52.20 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: which versions did you have before? |
| 15:52.25 | Grum | AckisWork: did they also have it printed and then scanned ? |
| 15:52.31 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno, and old one |
| 15:52.44 | VonhintenHOME` | 2.0.something |
| 15:52.46 | BWMerlin | you would remove it so you can see all the ppl cry and so how they cant play wow any more and it was the greatest addon ever |
| 15:53.03 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: remove it in protest of the new addon policy |
| 15:53.04 | Grum | cartographer was actually a great addon |
| 15:53.10 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: then it makes sense, completly new product :) |
| 15:53.14 | ckknight | what? no. |
| 15:53.21 | Grum | and then some slack devver stopped updating it ;) |
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| 15:53.26 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 15:53.35 | ckknight | Grum: I got busy |
| 15:53.43 | Arrowmaster | I got bored |
| 15:53.46 | ckknight | Grum: other addons, plus I have a real job now |
| 15:53.49 | Grum | playing with yourself is time better spend on addons! ;D |
| 15:53.58 | VonhintenHOME` | with some google maps friggin street view version of cartographer... |
| 15:54.14 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 15:54.23 | BWMerlin | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 15:54.33 | Arrowmaster | running around wow taking screenshots for street view |
| 15:54.47 | BWMerlin | it would be funny to see the threads on the wow forums about cart dying because of the new policy |
| 15:54.55 | kagaro | is premium count count addons marked as abondend? |
| 15:55.29 | Arrowmaster | kagaro: it probably only counts stuff that syncs to curse, and abandoned ones dont sync to curse |
| 15:55.41 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1592 RecipeDB/ARL-Vendor.lua: Fix Shandrina location (Ticket 450) |
| 15:55.43 | kagaro | lols i shoukd go touch the old cartmodules :P |
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| 15:56.33 | Arrowmaster | and replace everything in them with a blank toc and a readme file saying to download gathermate? |
| 15:56.41 | kagaro | hahahahah |
| 15:56.46 | kagaro | that would be awsome |
| 15:56.59 | ckknight | :P |
| 15:57.00 | TecnoBrat | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quest-helper.aspx |
| 15:57.02 | nevcairiel | You could set a dependancy on gathermate too |
| 15:57.05 | TecnoBrat | rofl, check out the screenshots |
| 15:57.14 | nevcairiel | so the CC gets it directly |
| 15:57.20 | Arrowmaster | kaelten would yell at us for coming up with ways to game the system |
| 15:57.40 | kagaro | actually setting the dep would not b a bad idea |
| 15:57.52 | kagaro | the nodes show up and they dont know why they cant turn them off |
| 15:58.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:58.16 | Arrowmaster | i actually have FuBar setup so LibRock-1.0 and Broker2FuBar are marked as dependancies to mess with the CC |
| 16:00.16 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 16:00.29 | BWMerlin | if you were going to change the toc or what ever to tell them to download gathermate you should probably list a few mods as a choice |
| 16:00.33 | nevcairiel | now you woke him! |
| 16:00.48 | Zhinjio | hey folks |
| 16:00.49 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: go back to work, ignore this channel |
| 16:01.00 | nevcairiel | BWMerlin: if you're the author of the old one, and the new one, why mention "competition" ? :) |
| 16:01.13 | Zhinjio | anyone know if notepad++ can do a column based block to cut/paste? |
| 16:01.15 | TecnoBrat | agrees with nevcairiel |
| 16:01.18 | Zhinjio | like, mark columns 1-10 or so |
| 16:01.18 | BWMerlin | its a fair point |
| 16:01.21 | TecnoBrat | its more "This has been replaced with X" |
| 16:01.25 | TecnoBrat | than "Try X instead" |
| 16:01.38 | Kaelten | Zhinjio: know how to turn a layer into a transparency mask? |
| 16:01.42 | BWMerlin | but you should always tell people there are options |
| 16:01.45 | Zhinjio | sure |
| 16:01.53 | Zhinjio | using what, photoshop? |
| 16:02.04 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 16:02.05 | Zhinjio | I'm allergic to photoshop, honestly. |
| 16:02.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:02.10 | Zhinjio | I use psp |
| 16:02.11 | Kaelten | it's what i'm using, lol |
| 16:02.23 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r80 / (3 files in 1 directory): Backed out shift-click change due to RawHook problem. |
| 16:02.26 | Repo | Bumped version number to 1.0.2. |
| 16:02.42 | Zhinjio | in psp, there's a command to turn a selection into a layer, and then a layer into a mask |
| 16:02.50 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 16:02.56 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v1.0.2 * r81 : Tagging as v1.0.2 |
| 16:02.58 | Pneumatus | Zhinjio: columns, like a fixed number of characters? |
| 16:03.05 | Zhinjio | then it asks you what to use for the masking, like opacity, or what have you |
| 16:03.19 | Zhinjio | Pneumatus: yes, like colunms 1-10 in the first 20 rows or whatever. |
| 16:03.25 | VonhintenHOME` | Zhinjio, Ctrl+Alt+Drag |
| 16:03.31 | Zhinjio | awesome. |
| 16:03.31 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 16:03.44 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r478 inspectui.lua: Fixes to inspection, and inspection UI hooking |
| 16:04.04 | Zhinjio | now thats what I'm talking about. thanks alot. |
| 16:04.12 | Zhinjio | VonhintenHOME`: thank you |
| 16:04.12 | Pneumatus | alternatively, do a regex find for ^........ or something :) |
| 16:04.17 | VonhintenHOME` | np |
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| 16:04.49 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1593 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 16:04.52 | Repo | Remove first aid/cooking books for 3.1. Also add in a huge donation message which flashes every 12.4 seconds and stays on the screen for 5 seconds. |
| 16:05.05 | VonhintenHOME` | sigh |
| 16:06.03 | VonhintenHOME` | You know.. Blizzard didn't say you couldn't give a Bob Barker style message like "Help control the pet population. Have your pet spayed or neutered." |
| 16:06.29 | AckisWork | Help control Blizzard, play Warhammer? |
| 16:06.40 | nevcairiel | thats an ad |
| 16:06.46 | quiescens | has there been any response since the initial announcement at all? |
| 16:06.50 | thul | hmm, is it cheesy of me to make a blurb.com book with my own pictures and give to relatives etc for xmas? :-P |
| 16:07.05 | quiescens | they didn't really even have an announcement did they |
| 16:07.05 | durcyn | thul: yes. |
| 16:07.32 | thul | hmmm, ok :/ so i really have to be creative? :-( |
| 16:07.39 | VonhintenHOME` | thul, only if it's titled "Success: How to balance extreme capability with self-love" |
| 16:07.49 | thul | but that is the story of my life :-( |
| 16:07.57 | thul | i was thinking about some landscape shots, some urban shots, some portraits. |
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| 16:09.36 | VonhintenHOME` | A nice Thinker pose, with a barely visible toilet water tank right behind you |
| 16:09.46 | Pneumatus | so, will wowace be enforcing the new UI policy, or just leaving it up to blizzard? |
| 16:10.04 | ckknight | Pneumatus: we don't have a corporate policy yet |
| 16:10.13 | ckknight | when we come up with one, we'll let you all know |
| 16:10.18 | Arrowmaster | we have the "i banned bangerz" policy |
| 16:10.19 | ckknight | for now, we won't be doing any filtering we weren't doing earlier |
| 16:10.32 | ckknight | yea, but bangerz was banned for fucking with Ace3 |
| 16:10.44 | Arrowmaster | no i just didnt like him |
| 16:10.54 | thul | but you love me? |
| 16:10.59 | Arrowmaster | i love nobody |
| 16:11.37 | nobody | I love you too Arrowmaster |
| 16:11.44 | ckknight | lol |
| 16:11.48 | Arrowmaster | thats just creapy |
| 16:12.05 | ckknight | I had a friend in high school whose handle was "nobody" |
| 16:12.27 | ckknight | for like, Halo and such |
| 16:12.32 | ckknight | another friend was "somebody" |
| 16:12.51 | Arrowmaster | was another "anon" |
| 16:13.37 | ckknight | I was "a white guy" |
| 16:14.03 | ckknight | so it was like "You killed nobody" "a white guy killed you" "a black guy killed a white guy" |
| 16:14.08 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:14.19 | Arrowmaster | did you pull any jokes like "who just touched my ass?" "nobody" *everybody looks at nobody* "it wasnt me!" |
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| 16:15.33 | ckknight | often |
| 16:15.53 | ckknight | it was probably Gay Tony, though |
| 16:16.10 | Fisker- | reported for hurting my feelings ;( |
| 16:16.35 | TecnoBrat | I like how you capitalized that |
| 16:16.38 | TecnoBrat | Gay Tony |
| 16:16.59 | Arrowmaster | microsoft wouldnt allow that gamertag |
| 16:17.32 | ckknight | TecnoBrat: there were a lot of Tonys |
| 16:17.41 | ckknight | Gay Tony, Big Tony, Small Tony |
| 16:17.54 | Fisker- | they'd allow Fag Boy Jim though |
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| 16:18.53 | BWMerlin | would this idea work http://www.carboniteaddon.com/cs/forums/t/3153.aspx or would it just piss blizzard off even more |
| 16:19.28 | nevcairiel | its just different words, same deal |
| 16:21.04 | VonhintenHOME` | Any of these HandyNotes extension modules worth staying away from? |
| 16:21.24 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: usually i hear the question the other way around =P |
| 16:21.26 | BWMerlin | i find handynotes quests givers is a little annoying |
| 16:21.37 | BWMerlin | puts yellow ! everywhere |
| 16:21.50 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah nev, but I'm more interesting in not installing shit :) |
| 16:21.52 | BWMerlin | and when they are on the minimap they can cover up other icons you want to see |
| 16:22.13 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, that would be annoying |
| 16:22.20 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: i only use _Guild .. i never needed an addon to tell me where flight masters are .) |
| 16:22.48 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, same with me usually, though that son of a bitch druid flight master in Moonglade always eludes me |
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| 16:23.14 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:23.23 | TecnoBrat | BWMerlin, I have a strong feeling they have been targeted directly by blizzard |
| 16:23.35 | BWMerlin | it would seem that way |
| 16:23.44 | TecnoBrat | Which means, it doesn't matter what they try, blizzard will just make their life hell as much as possible |
| 16:24.24 | BWMerlin | the carbonite community seems at great odds with the whole you no longer have to pay for the addon its going to be free concept |
| 16:24.40 | nevcairiel | They could just pull the "too much server stress" card and ban the addon on that, if everything else fails. |
| 16:24.57 | nevcairiel | (carbonite does produce a hell of a lot chat traffic) |
| 16:25.05 | BWMerlin | i havent seen any posts saying, oo we may have done something wrong that blizzard doesnt like and now the WHOLE entire addon community has to pay the price |
| 16:25.36 | nevcairiel | Someone that would post that would really have to be dumb :) |
| 16:26.05 | TecnoBrat | k, I'm throwing this out there. I'm not a lawyer, nor am I a accountant .. but does anyone know for sure there isn't some tax / legal reason why they can't allow donations in a subscription product? |
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| 16:26.14 | TecnoBrat | I would assume they would have just come out and said that though |
| 16:26.30 | nevcairiel | TecnoBrat: rumor is their new advertising contract |
| 16:26.39 | TecnoBrat | ahhhh |
| 16:26.49 | TecnoBrat | well that makes sense too |
| 16:27.06 | BWMerlin | another one is lvl'd playing field |
| 16:27.07 | TecnoBrat | since its technically advertising |
| 16:27.10 | nevcairiel | Also they really cant say "you're allowed to ask for money, but you gold-seller are not" |
| 16:27.17 | TecnoBrat | and if its an exclusive advertising contract |
| 16:27.21 | BWMerlin | keeping the game clean by controlling the content in it |
| 16:27.23 | TecnoBrat | they would be in breach of the contract. |
| 16:27.38 | BWMerlin | nevcairiel: very good point |
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| 16:28.54 | nevcairiel | Its one of the biggest issues with policys like that. They have to be very broad to catch all real violations, or they have to set a special case up for every violation they find. |
| 16:29.46 | TecnoBrat | I think that its more that the contract they have with massively is an exclusive advertising contract, both ingame and on their sites. If they allow addons devs to advertise (ask for donations) they are in breach of that contract. At the very least they have to have a policy against it. |
| 16:30.09 | BWMerlin | idk if blizzard is doing the right thing by not commenting on why they have done this or explanations of each point |
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| 16:30.16 | VonhintenHOME` | lol http://www.theonion.com/content/video/are_violent_video_games |
| 16:30.28 | nevcairiel | I'm pretty sure they will comment at some point |
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| 16:30.36 | TecnoBrat | They will have to, yea |
| 16:30.40 | nevcairiel | But they probably want a proper response |
| 16:30.42 | TecnoBrat | probably closer to release of 3.1 |
| 16:30.57 | TecnoBrat | since it seems its still a few weeks away |
| 16:31.16 | BWMerlin | if in game ads come in i would expect that there should then be a drop in subscription price |
| 16:31.32 | BWMerlin | i do not pay for play a game to have ads showen |
| 16:31.36 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, I won't stand for that |
| 16:31.42 | BWMerlin | you pay for things so you dont see ads |
| 16:31.43 | TecnoBrat | Its not that they will ever do ingame ads |
| 16:31.58 | TecnoBrat | Its just that the contract they signed says they can't use anyone else, if they ever do it. |
| 16:32.11 | TecnoBrat | (as long as the contract is valid) |
| 16:32.27 | TecnoBrat | http://www.massiveincorporated.com/press/12.03.08.htm |
| 16:32.37 | TecnoBrat | ^^ details about the "exclusive contract" |
| 16:32.53 | TecnoBrat | which specifically says "This partnership does not include in-game advertising, as Massive understands and respects our stance against advertising that might detract from gameplay or offend our players." |
| 16:33.10 | nevcairiel | Yeah its only lobby and website advertising |
| 16:33.31 | TecnoBrat | however, http://www.blizzard.com/us/legal/tou.html |
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| 16:33.46 | TecnoBrat | Read "15. Third Party Advertising." |
| 16:34.05 | TecnoBrat | so games in the future might use the in-game part of it |
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| 16:34.27 | nevcairiel | Might as well be some free promo games |
| 16:34.28 | ckknight | I'd be honored to send my zerglings over the Coca-cola wasteland. |
| 16:34.42 | nevcairiel | Or they simply consider the lobby "in-game" |
| 16:34.45 | nevcairiel | which it technically is |
| 16:34.48 | Hjalte | How long has that been there? |
| 16:34.59 | nevcairiel | Hjalte: a week now, or so |
| 16:35.25 | BWMerlin | i remember all the old blizzard games battle.net lobby had banner ads |
| 16:35.46 | TecnoBrat | nevcairiel, oh thats true too |
| 16:35.57 | durcyn | that's still the case, BWMerlin |
| 16:36.11 | BWMerlin | i havent been on battle.net for ages |
| 16:36.30 | TecnoBrat | but yea, I can totally see how Microsoft would be like "WTF people are advertising in your games (soliciting donations), you need to have that removed" |
| 16:36.58 | Fisker- | duh nevcairiel |
| 16:37.34 | Fisker- | perhaps they have 2 different opinions of "in-game" |
| 16:37.47 | Fisker- | For Blizzard in-game includes the Lobby, for Massive in-game means the game itself |
| 16:37.51 | Fisker- | and not the lobby, etc. |
| 16:37.56 | VonhintenHOME` | Blizzard would be the client here... you don't make unreasonable demands of your client's |
| 16:38.17 | TecnoBrat | Fisker-, the contract is no doubt all inclusive. |
| 16:38.38 | TecnoBrat | Last thing MS would want is them to decide to use someone else for "in-game" later |
| 16:38.40 | nevcairiel | Well if their contract specifically states that they don't do in-game advertising, to not distract the players, i don't see it happening |
| 16:39.11 | TecnoBrat | nevcairiel, the contract probably says that MS will provide the service. Doesn't force blizzard to use the service. |
| 16:39.12 | nevcairiel | the ToU thing could just be some standard text |
| 16:39.38 | TecnoBrat | has a filing cabinet of about 150 advertising contracts 4 ft away from him |
| 16:39.42 | durcyn | it's an advertising contracts. massive supplies the ads, blizzard places them, i don't see how that's ambiguous |
| 16:39.43 | robotusch | Fisker-, I has my flyer back :3 |
| 16:39.45 | durcyn | -s |
| 16:40.02 | robotusch | COME FLY WITH MEEEEEE |
| 16:40.12 | TecnoBrat | durcyn, indeed, and like any advertising contract blizzard choses where to place those ads. |
| 16:40.36 | TecnoBrat | Sounds like a pretty shitty contract to sign though |
| 16:40.55 | durcyn | if i had to guess, i'd say vivendi held a gun to someone's head |
| 16:40.59 | TecnoBrat | an all-inclusive exclusive contract |
| 16:41.22 | TecnoBrat | I'd never sign an advertising contract that was exclusive |
| 16:41.29 | TecnoBrat | everyone tries to force that though |
| 16:41.38 | Fisker- | durcyn the part that's ambigious is the part stating that it won't be in-game advertising, and from blizzard's part stating it WILL be in-game advertising |
| 16:42.02 | BWMerlin | this could have nothing to do with wow |
| 16:42.12 | BWMerlin | it could be to do with starcraft |
| 16:42.23 | BWMerlin | which has had sign boards in game |
| 16:42.40 | Fisker- | Doesn't matter what game it is |
| 16:42.45 | BWMerlin | maybe starcraft 2 those sign boards will have ads on them |
| 16:43.07 | TecnoBrat | it doesn't matter at all |
| 16:43.12 | Fisker- | i think it'll be lobby ads based on both press releases |
| 16:43.28 | TecnoBrat | The contract simply says that blizzard with only use Massively for all of its advertising, both ingame, and on site. |
| 16:43.28 | Nechckn_AFK | Nah.. this way they can have Extenze billboards in gnomer =) |
| 16:43.41 | TecnoBrat | whether they chose to put them ingame is irrelevant. |
| 16:43.57 | TecnoBrat | By allowing addons to put ads in their game, they are in breach of that contract |
| 16:44.24 | TecnoBrat | I'm guessing, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. |
| 16:44.32 | TecnoBrat | I wish if this was actually true, they would have just said it. |
| 16:45.07 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't use Massive |
| 16:45.10 | Fisker- | on the site |
| 16:45.40 | Vilkku | does anyone happen to know of a function that gets the status of announcements in a channel? I only found a function that toggles it |
| 16:45.51 | Fisker- | unless adbureau is part of massive :P |
| 16:46.14 | Fisker- | fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu :/ |
| 16:46.29 | Fisker- | Then it doesn't make sense at all :O |
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| 16:46.48 | TecnoBrat | let me check |
| 16:47.39 | TecnoBrat | Fisker-, they use accipiter, which is atlas, which is owned by microsoft |
| 16:47.42 | TecnoBrat | so yea, its Massively |
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| 16:48.10 | TecnoBrat | The advertising industry is awesome ... everyone buys everyone else |
| 16:48.46 | robotusch | a bit like the gaming industry, except that's just EA buying everyone else |
| 16:49.11 | nevcairiel | Be glad that activision got their hands on blizzard, and not EA |
| 16:49.24 | Fisker- | lol? |
| 16:49.29 | Fisker- | Vivendi got their hands on Activision |
| 16:49.32 | durcyn | ^ |
| 16:49.34 | robotusch | ooh bonus, found a rich saronite vein ;o |
| 16:49.36 | Fisker- | That's probably the worst thing that could happen |
| 16:49.41 | Fisker- | Vivendi's even worse than EA |
| 16:49.50 | nevcairiel | blizz was always vivendi |
| 16:49.58 | Fisker- | i know |
| 16:50.07 | nevcairiel | and they still do good games |
| 16:50.13 | TecnoBrat | well not always, but since wow anyways |
| 16:50.22 | Fisker- | didn't say they'd make bad games |
| 16:50.32 | durcyn | that's in spite of vivendi, though, not because of them |
| 16:50.33 | nevcairiel | Either vivendi doesn't push that much, or Blizz doesnt respond to the pushing like t he warhammer guys |
| 16:50.56 | nevcairiel | and strip half the game to get the release =P |
| 16:50.57 | Fisker- | I doubt that Blizzard wanted ads on the forums |
| 16:51.07 | TecnoBrat | from what I understand, Blizzard was allowed a lot of rope |
| 16:51.08 | Fisker- | I'm pretty sure that was all Vivendi |
| 16:51.20 | nevcairiel | You have to sacrifice small parts to save the big goal :) |
| 16:51.39 | BWMerlin | just do what most users do and get an adblocker |
| 16:51.39 | Fisker- | If Vivendi didn't have Blizzard gaming would be at a better place today |
| 16:51.58 | TecnoBrat | or we'd all be playing warhammer ... |
| 16:52.00 | nevcairiel | BWMerlin: i just read blue trackers =P |
| 16:52.03 | VonhintenHOME` | Disembedding in CC, good/bad? |
| 16:52.16 | BWMerlin | good |
| 16:52.29 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: do you know what it does, what it means, and what errors could appear from it? |
| 16:52.33 | VonhintenHOME` | Does it do conflict checking? |
| 16:52.45 | BWMerlin | everyone should run disembed |
| 16:52.55 | nevcairiel | (and how to install a lib thats missing manually? :P) |
| 16:53.01 | nevcairiel | If so, then use it |
| 16:53.11 | BWMerlin | honestly |
| 16:53.23 | VonhintenHOME` | uuuuuh... why would a lib be missing? :) |
| 16:53.25 | BWMerlin | i have run into a few problems running disembed |
| 16:53.42 | BWMerlin | because authors dont list the libs as optdepdances |
| 16:53.49 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: because an addon authour could have screwed up the setup of his addon, not keeping in mind the disembed |
| 16:54.10 | BWMerlin | and so they are not downloaded or not registered (i think thats the right word) properly in game |
| 16:54.25 | nevcairiel | Most of the time, sadly, it only makes sense to run disembed in Alpha mode too |
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| 16:54.32 | nevcairiel | since some libs are not tagged properly |
| 16:55.47 | BWMerlin | VonhintenHOME`: i have run into those problems nevcairiel is describing |
| 16:55.47 | nevcairiel | Sadly i never got the big popup that warns users when they turn on disembed |
| 16:55.47 | nevcairiel | its all Kaeltens fault =( |
| 16:56.36 | BWMerlin | having said that because i ran into those problems i learnt a little more about how addons are coded and managed to fix the two errors i was having and post the fix to the authors so they could fix the addon for all |
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| 16:59.10 | AckisWork | @project atsw |
| 16:59.11 | Repo | AckisWork: No project found that matches 'atsw' |
| 16:59.11 | VonhintenHOME` | Hmm.. problem with Fubar_AlchemyFu, missing LibPeriodic... sigh.. it didn't work anyway.. maybe it's time to jump on this LDB bandwagon |
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| 17:00.25 | BWMerlin | if you are looking for a fubar like bar ldb display |
| 17:00.36 | BWMerlin | i would suggest you check out ninjapanel |
| 17:00.52 | BWMerlin | made by the same author as lightheaded and tomtom |
| 17:01.08 | BWMerlin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11884-NinjaPanel.html#info |
| 17:01.44 | waallen | Is there any addon that announces kicks to raid/party chat apart afflicted2? |
| 17:03.36 | VonhintenHOME` | Need to find LDB replacements for AlchemyFu, BagFu, ClockFu, DurabilityFu, ExperienceFu, LocationFu (maybe), MoneyFu, PerformanceFu and VolumeFu |
| 17:03.59 | nevcairiel | You use way too much *Fu |
| 17:04.06 | durcyn | the first two you're going to have to search for |
| 17:04.19 | quiescens | moo. |
| 17:04.34 | nevcairiel | Broker_Clock and Brocker_SysMon replace clock and performancefu for me |
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| 17:04.38 | durcyn | for the rest go grab Broker_Clock, tekability, picoEXP, Broker_Location, Broker_Money, picoFPS, and Volumizer |
| 17:04.48 | BWMerlin | durabilityfu, you can try repair broker, statblock durability (i think thats its name) or a few others |
| 17:04.49 | VonhintenHOME` | BagFu I can ditch, LocationFu doesn't need to be as sophisticated, coords would probably do just as well |
| 17:05.05 | nevcairiel | I use the LDB plugin of MoneyTrail for Money display |
| 17:05.15 | durcyn | oh, right, MoneyTrail's pretty win |
| 17:05.25 | BWMerlin | you could always try fubar2broker |
| 17:05.29 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 17:05.32 | nevcairiel | as a last resort |
| 17:05.40 | Cheads | sadly none like FuBar_PerformanceFu |
| 17:05.43 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd rather reduce layers, not add more :) |
| 17:06.04 | Cheads | or.. none with all it's features |
| 17:06.25 | nevcairiel | Broker_SysMon does most i need, if need more addon specific data, i just use OptionlessHouse |
| 17:06.57 | BWMerlin | there is broker_cpu memory |
| 17:07.21 | BWMerlin | @project Broker_CPU Memory |
| 17:07.22 | Repo | BWMerlin: No project found that matches 'broker_cpu' |
| 17:07.27 | nevcairiel | I actually only have 2 specific Broker plugins |
| 17:07.36 | nevcairiel | If i dont count money trail |
| 17:07.43 | BWMerlin | guess its not on ace |
| 17:07.46 | nevcairiel | everything else are launchers or provided by some ohter addon |
| 17:08.01 | askr | ckknight: I just tried PitBull4 yesterday. The new configuration system is very nice. The mirror option is quite neat too but I think it would be nice to have another option to mirror the auras only. And it seems that the version I tried has some major memory leaks, at least PerformanceFu showed 200kb/s memory increase which stopped immediatly when I disabled PitBull. After a while I just got many errors about memory allocation :/ |
| 17:08.23 | ckknight | 200 KiB/s seems absurd. |
| 17:08.34 | ckknight | I don't see how that would really happen |
| 17:08.37 | BWMerlin | VonhintenHOME`: open up CC |
| 17:08.40 | ckknight | unless there's a bug in auras |
| 17:08.44 | ckknight | or something |
| 17:08.47 | BWMerlin | type in the description of what you want |
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| 17:08.52 | askr | is there any easy way to debug something like this? |
| 17:09.06 | BWMerlin | like if you want a clock addon that is broker try broker or clock and see what turns up |
| 17:09.14 | BWMerlin | thats what i do most of the time when looking for an addon |
| 17:09.24 | askr | it was after a few hours of playing that all addons stopped working and i got memory allocation errors ("block too big" or something like this) |
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| 17:09.54 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, I could do that, but I'd rather ask people here who I know how the requisite skill to determine if an addon is solid, or written like shite :) |
| 17:10.04 | VonhintenHOME` | how the = have the |
| 17:11.04 | BWMerlin | once i have found what i am looking for and got about 3 addons or so that are the same i just check out the curse page to see what others are saying about it |
| 17:11.09 | BWMerlin | then go from there |
| 17:12.13 | VonhintenHOME` | So, if I disembed, and then uninstall an addon, does CC leave remnant libs? |
| 17:12.21 | nevcairiel | should not |
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| 17:13.28 | BWMerlin | though sometimes it likes to remove libs that other addons are using |
| 17:14.26 | nevcairiel | I thought that was fixed |
| 17:14.43 | BWMerlin | if you are going from embedded to disembedded i suggest you delete all your addons first, set CC to disembedded then install them all from scratch |
| 17:14.55 | BWMerlin | i havent had a problem with it doing it recently |
| 17:15.46 | BWMerlin | anyway i think its sleep time |
| 17:16.30 | VonhintenHOME` | Definitely improved my load time |
| 17:17.02 | BWMerlin | well thats always nice |
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| 17:19.25 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1594 / (7 files in 4 directories): |
| 17:19.28 | Repo | Add some 3.1 shit... yay me? Donation window now is more instrusive, it will key log you if you don't donate! :P |
| 17:20.28 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.30 | AckisWork | err |
| 17:20.32 | ckknight | lol |
| 17:20.32 | AckisWork | damnit |
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| 17:20.44 | AckisWork | that was actual fail on my behalf |
| 17:20.52 | ckknight | AckisWork: hey, you're a moderator, right? |
| 17:21.00 | ckknight | I need you to review some code |
| 17:21.02 | ckknight | "arl" |
| 17:21.03 | AckisWork | yup |
| 17:21.05 | ckknight | might have a keylogger. |
| 17:21.06 | AckisWork | lol |
| 17:21.08 | ckknight | just take a look |
| 17:21.15 | ckknight | <.< |
| 17:21.15 | ckknight | >.> |
| 17:21.21 | AckisWork | hmmm whoever wrote this must be a douche |
| 17:22.43 | ckknight | that was my thought. |
| 17:22.43 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1595 Docs/Main.txt: Typo fix in the keylogger docs or something like that. |
| 17:22.47 | ckknight | :P |
| 17:22.50 | AckisWork | heh |
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| 17:24.05 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 041.0RC5 * r1596 : |
| 17:24.08 | Repo | Tagging as 1.0 RC5 (mainly the LW fix is why I've tagged this) |
| 17:24.55 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1597 AckisRecipeList.toc: Update ToC to RC6. Mudkips, I heard you like them? |
| 17:25.31 | Cheads | broker_cpu memory and Broker_SysMon just doesn't do it very well... the first wants cpu profiling on if you want mem usage .. broker_sysmon isn't very configureable ingame.. need to change the lua for more addons listed .. ..FuBar_PerformanceFu is king :O) |
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| 17:26.24 | durcyn | get picoFPS. |
| 17:26.34 | Repo | 10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 4.2.6-19-ge156478 ActionBar.lua: [+1 commit] Refresh the state of buttons when they are newly created. |
| 17:27.02 | Cheads | that certainly doesn't help show the memory usage of the addons =) |
| 17:27.12 | durcyn | or StatBlock_Memory |
| 17:27.16 | durcyn | except it does. |
| 17:27.29 | Cheads | ahh right |
| 17:27.32 | nevcairiel | SysMon shows like what? 10 addons? how many do you need o.O |
| 17:27.43 | nevcairiel | get a real performance addon |
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| 17:28.22 | Cheads | certainly more than 10 |
| 17:28.29 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, I only need to see the top 5 maybe, and in general, my FPS, latency.. don't need cpu profiling |
| 17:28.43 | durcyn | i'm not sure how many times i have to say picoFPS, but it's exactly what you're looking for. |
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| 17:29.37 | Cheads | last time it wasn't |
| 17:29.40 | Cheads | I'll check again |
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| 17:34.10 | VonhintenHOME` | ooh, broken_portals grabbin that for my mage |
| 17:34.24 | VonhintenHOME` | err, broker_portals |
| 17:35.53 | selckin | that'll be 10$ please |
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| 17:42.37 | Cheads | ahh.. the thing I was missing with picoFPS was being able to see all the addons. Can't scroll in the list and cannot change what it displays (can't see total mem usage when you have a lot of addon etc.). But I guess it's just me since no one bothers with it :) |
| 17:44.54 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r479 ui (2 files in 1 directory): Fix player portrait in the glyph frame |
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| 17:46.09 | Axodious | so yeah, 3 drake is pretty easy when you kill each drake before the other one lands |
| 17:46.36 | durcyn | 3 drake is always easy if you don't kill yourself with torment |
| 17:46.43 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.51 | Axodious | well yeah, i mean in comparison |
| 17:47.05 | Axodious | no whelps spawning, only 1 acolyte |
| 17:52.06 | Bibi | AckisWork: ask Adys! |
| 17:52.58 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.00 | AckisWork | fuck |
| 17:53.07 | AckisWork | I give up |
| 17:53.27 | durcyn | i hear if you leave off the leading space, privmsg works |
| 17:53.54 | AckisWork | durcyn: I'm having issues today |
| 17:53.56 | AckisWork | a lot of them |
| 17:54.22 | selckin | probably a bug in the keylogger |
| 17:54.34 | AckisWork | true |
| 17:55.28 | AckisWork | ckknight: btw annoying bug with the files |
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| 17:55.52 | AckisWork | ckknight: your changelog is > than the max size of the field, so if you edit anything on the file you have to trunk the changelog |
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| 17:58.41 | Axodious | big changelog is big |
| 18:10.09 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r480 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 18:10.12 | Repo | Okay, doublecheck that the user is looking at the right glyph before removing it. |
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| 18:13.18 | VonhintenHOME` | So, I can't seem to make Fortress show these blocks like how I had them with FuBar... extremely close to the bottom of the screen |
| 18:13.41 | durcyn | try ninjapanel or dockingstation if you want a straightup fubar clone |
| 18:13.49 | durcyn | well, lookalike anyway |
| 18:14.00 | VonhintenHOME` | seems to be padding on the text that I can't get rid of |
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| 18:15.30 | Axodious | Xinhuan, instead of writing a guide on how to write addons you should invent a device to punch/stab people through the internet |
| 18:16.51 | ckknight | AckisWork: what's the max size? |
| 18:17.01 | AckisWork | 10k iirc |
| 18:17.04 | ckknight | AckisWork: oh yea |
| 18:17.06 | ckknight | I put that in |
| 18:17.09 | ckknight | that's not changing. |
| 18:17.14 | AckisWork | no I odn't want it to change |
| 18:17.15 | ckknight | since BigWigs fucked things up |
| 18:17.19 | ckknight | actually, it might be 50k |
| 18:17.29 | AckisWork | but when a file is uploaded, the changelog is > 10k |
| 18:17.34 | ckknight | hmm |
| 18:17.36 | ckknight | odd |
| 18:17.40 | AckisWork | so if I change a beta to a release I have to prune it |
| 18:18.04 | AckisWork | so I just deleted it all and put "stuff" |
| 18:18.05 | AckisWork | lol |
| 18:18.31 | nevcairiel | yeah i noticed that too |
| 18:20.25 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1598 Docs (2 files in 1 directory): Update changelog, etc |
| 18:21.35 | Xinhuan | whats this changelog thing ackis |
| 18:22.12 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/pages/arl-changelog/ |
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| 18:22.40 | AckisWork | it lists the major changes in the releases |
| 18:22.47 | AckisWork | like... a log of changes |
| 18:22.51 | AckisWork | hence why it is called a changelog |
| 18:22.57 | Xinhuan | how is that generated |
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| 18:23.28 | AckisWork | can be auto-generated via .pkgmeta: manual-changelog: Docs/CHANGES.txt |
| 18:23.30 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r1599 AckisRecipeList.lua: remove super secret stuff. |
| 18:23.38 | AckisWork | but I have it manually generated in my .docmeta as a wiki page thing |
| 18:25.06 | Pneumatus | i used to use CVS postcommit hooks to write changelog files :< |
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| 18:38.38 | VonhintenHOME` | k, Broker_Clock != ClockFu.. |
| 18:39.04 | VonhintenHOME` | I want 12 hr, and local + server displayed |
| 18:39.34 | Axodious | i just use the clock on chinchilla |
| 18:39.50 | Arrowmaster | you mean the clock on the default minimap |
| 18:40.00 | Arrowmaster | since chinchilla hasnt been touched since that was added |
| 18:40.19 | Axodious | w/e it is that's what im using, works fine for me |
| 18:40.31 | Axodious | shows local time, then local + server on hover |
| 18:40.43 | AckisWork | ckknight: caused a 500 error editting point splits for ARL |
| 18:40.55 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, hover doesn't work for me, I want it in my face |
| 18:41.09 | Axodious | ah |
| 18:41.31 | VonhintenHOME` | and 24 hour display... only the military uses that in the US |
| 18:41.54 | VonhintenHOME` | We here in the US can tell whether its day or night... |
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| 18:54.17 | Cavisty^gerber | "We regret to inform you that due to the current economic conditions we are forced to indefinitely suspend the FileFront site operations on March 30, 2009. If you have uploaded files, images or posted blogs, or if you would like to download some of your favorite files, please take this opportunity to download them before March 30th when the site will be suspended. |
| 18:58.29 | VonhintenHOME` | nooooooooooo |
| 18:59.05 | pentium166 | wtt filefront for stage6 |
| 18:59.28 | VonhintenHOME` | FileFront was solid for speedy downloads |
| 18:59.41 | VonhintenHOME` | I hosted a few of my vids on there |
| 19:00.53 | Axodious | i always used filefront when watchign vids from warcraft movies etc |
| 19:02.38 | Xinhuan | link Cavisty^gerber? |
| 19:02.47 | VonhintenHOME` | http://farewell.filefront.com/ |
| 19:02.52 | Cavisty^gerber | yep |
| 19:03.06 | Cavisty^gerber | i loved filefront, i always picked filefront mirrors |
| 19:03.12 | Axodious | ^ |
| 19:03.37 | Cavisty^gerber | always fast, no bullshit security things, quick and easy |
| 19:03.53 | Cavisty^gerber | I woulda payed for a premium service if they had something like that |
| 19:04.38 | VonhintenHOME` | That's pretty much all they had going for them though, imo... any time I tried to find a game demo or patch, their shit was a mess |
| 19:05.44 | pentium166 | That's basically how I feel about all download sites |
| 19:06.19 | pentium166 | If you get a direct link to the file you want they're alright, but if you have to search around on your own they're a pain |
| 19:07.28 | Cavisty^gerber | Their search feature sucked, but if you went through the categories it was pretty easy to find stuff |
| 19:08.32 | pentium166 | You'd think people could have figured out how to write a decent search by now |
| 19:08.43 | pentium166 | cough blizzard cough. |
| 19:09.47 | VonhintenHOME` | It's called, buy google hardware. |
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| 19:16.14 | NeoTron | ah my question was answered regarding elixir mastery + new flasks: "Elixir Mastery is also being updated to work with the new flask design so for example where you got 2 or 3 extras before you will now get 4 or 6 extras. |
| 19:16.28 | NeoTron | bring on the 10-procs |
| 19:17.13 | VonhintenHOME` | I assumed that |
| 19:18.33 | NeoTron | me too but it's good to get it confirmed |
| 19:19.11 | NeoTron | because it does happen that they "forget" things |
| 19:19.15 | NeoTron | which is fair enough |
| 19:20.08 | AckisWork | NeoTron: what's being updated? |
| 19:21.24 | NeoTron | flask procs to 2/4/6/8/10 or whatever instead of 1/2/3/4/5 |
| 19:21.36 | sb|work | that would be fine :P |
| 19:21.53 | sb|work | there is also no word about mixology |
| 19:22.01 | sb|work | 2h flask instead of 1h |
| 19:22.03 | NeoTron | mixology continues working exactly like it does now |
| 19:22.14 | sb|work | so you will get 2h flask then? |
| 19:22.22 | NeoTron | and although obvious that it'd be a 2h instead of 1h flask, they did post a confirmation that is the case |
| 19:22.29 | sb|work | oh okay |
| 19:22.36 | sb|work | didn't see that |
| 19:22.45 | NeoTron | I just didn't paste it since, well, why would the behavior change? |
| 19:23.05 | NeoTron | http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1452/failnvg.jpg <-- win |
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| 19:23.28 | Xinhuan | so ackis |
| 19:23.34 | Xinhuan | i'm farming pirate rep again =.= |
| 19:23.45 | Xinhuan | 22k/36k hated now zz |
| 19:24.23 | pentium166 | NeoTron: are they changing the normal flask duration? |
| 19:25.11 | sb|work | yes :p |
| 19:28.23 | FtH|Daemona | anybody recall that addon that didnt show castbars for certain spells of a target? |
| 19:28.34 | FtH|Daemona | essence of souls or so was the use case |
| 19:28.55 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: for the new feat? |
| 19:28.59 | Xinhuan | yea |
| 19:29.17 | AckisWork | ugh poor bastard |
| 19:29.42 | FtH|Daemona | Antiarc ping |
| 19:29.43 | NeoTron | flask duration changed to 1 hour, you now get two flasks for the same mats, proc sizes are doubled, old flasks are converted into new ones in a 1->2 ratio |
| 19:29.46 | NeoTron | about covers it all |
| 19:29.55 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/15864750324-ebon-plague-bug-fixed.html so is "woot" a yes or a no? :P |
| 19:30.08 | Stanzilla | FtH|Daemona: Deadened or so |
| 19:30.18 | FtH|Daemona | \o/ |
| 19:30.56 | Kalroth | Way to double ask, Daemona! |
| 19:31.48 | VonhintenHOME` | I think that woot means "good, they got the bug fix in" |
| 19:36.05 | FtH|Daemona | Kalroth need a quick solution for melee interupt QQ'ing "i rupted surge of darkness some help plx!!!" |
| 19:36.11 | FtH|Daemona | ;) |
| 19:39.12 | Repo | 10accomplishment: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.1.1-6-g15bcf19 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Update .toc for Patch 3.1.0. |
| 19:39.44 | sb|work | its interruptable? |
| 19:39.51 | Repo | 10bottle-cap: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v3.0-3-g6143a24 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Update .toc for Patch 3.1.0. |
| 19:40.24 | Repo | 10broker-uclock: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v3.0.2a-2-g923d858 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Update .toc for Patch 3.1.0. |
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| 19:40.48 | LoialOtter | Xinhaun: I´m working on GathererHUD and have implemented Routes drawing in it but i´m wondering if you can add a function to routes that´ll list the local active routes... |
| 19:41.00 | Xinhuan | isn't that toc update a lot premature |
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| 19:41.08 | Repo | 10sign-on: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.3.1-3-gf12f4f8 / (6 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Updated .toc for Patch 3.1.0. |
| 19:41.33 | FtH|Daemona | no sb|work the fire cast is, and if you rotate 2 on interupt duty and one fails and interupt the shadow cast ... its panic |
| 19:41.38 | Repo | 10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.6.2-beta-2-g87eea19 / (5 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Updated .toc for Patch 3.1.0. |
| 19:41.49 | LoialOtter | i´ve already written the function... just would like it added to Routes |
| 19:42.03 | Repo | 10visor2-gui: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.2-beta-2-g45819d3 / (6 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Updated .toc for Patch 3.1.0. |
| 19:42.06 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 19:42.39 | Xinhuan | maybe |
| 19:42.46 | Xinhuan | i haven't touched or commited to routes for months though |
| 19:43.25 | ckknight | AckisWork: should be fixed |
| 19:43.26 | ckknight | maybe. |
| 19:43.28 | Xinhuan | apart from a recent gatherer/routes ungoro crater issue |
| 19:43.44 | sb|work | FtH|Daemona: then use deadened |
| 19:43.55 | LoialOtter | *nods* was told you were the person to talk to |
| 19:44.00 | FtH|Daemona | its not been updated since sept. 08 |
| 19:44.04 | FtH|Daemona | and throwing errors ;) |
| 19:44.07 | sb|work | oh :) |
| 19:44.15 | sb|work | then fix it! |
| 19:44.18 | FtH|Daemona | gonna ticket it ;) |
| 19:44.39 | Xinhuan | indeed i am |
| 19:45.50 | Xinhuan | you'll probably need to provide me with a patch |
| 19:46.24 | Xinhuan | however |
| 19:46.27 | LoialOtter | i haven´t made one before... can i give you the modified file or simply a file with the function? |
| 19:46.46 | waallen | Has anyone ever had issues at displaying their auto-attack melee damage in Skada? Every other player has it but me |
| 19:46.47 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:47.31 | waallen | alright |
| 19:48.25 | cncfanatics | can someone explain me why our paladin is telling me 5 int is better then 30 haste, 30 crit rating & 50 SP ? |
| 19:48.26 | cncfanatics | seriously |
| 19:48.29 | cncfanatics | its irritating me |
| 19:48.44 | VonhintenHOME` | what? that's ridiculous |
| 19:48.59 | cncfanatics | how much mana is one int again ? |
| 19:49.09 | VonhintenHOME` | not very much |
| 19:49.45 | VonhintenHOME` | 5 int is probably worth more than 5 haste, or 5 crit rating, or 5 sp, for a pally |
| 19:49.53 | Xinhuan | 5 int = 75 mana |
| 19:50.00 | Xinhuan | in teh absence of modifiers like kings, etc |
| 19:50.32 | NeoTron | cncfanatics: because he' |
| 19:50.35 | NeoTron | he's stupid |
| 19:51.59 | cncfanatics | he's whoring dkp for turning tide prolly |
| 19:52.05 | cncfanatics | which anoys me big time |
| 19:52.17 | LoialOtter | Xinhaun: here´s the file http://up.norganna.org/show.php/3FoUZ2/Routes_GatherHUH_Make_list.txt |
| 19:52.31 | LoialOtter | i miss-named the file... oh well, that link should work |
| 19:53.28 | LoialOtter | it´s based heavily on your map code |
| 19:54.14 | VonhintenHOME` | Wouldn't it be better to expose the internal data via an API than include extraneous code for an addon someone may not have? |
| 19:54.26 | NeoTron | cncfanatics: so are you deing a clear upgrade? |
| 19:55.09 | VonhintenHOME` | cnc, We're using EPGP now with a 10% decay every week... doesn't pay to hoard |
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| 19:55.27 | cncfanatics | I forced it ofc, NeoTron |
| 19:55.40 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Maat * r5070 Ulduar/Vezax.lua: BigWigs: General Vezax: Mark of the Faceless fix |
| 19:55.56 | NeoTron | I bet you use fixed dkp? |
| 19:55.56 | Xinhuan | what does that functino do again LoialOtter? |
| 19:56.10 | NeoTron | fixed price dkp or high minimum bids, either or :P |
| 19:56.28 | NeoTron | for the most part we use dkp for a few high valued items. everything else goes for like 1-2 dkp |
| 19:57.02 | sb|work | VonhintenHOME`: doing 10% decay / raid here :p |
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| 19:57.31 | NeoTron | decay - punishing people for bad luck in drops for the win |
| 19:57.48 | sb|work | why punishing? |
| 19:57.51 | VonhintenHOME` | that's a small price to pay, given the amount of loot that drops in new raids |
| 19:57.53 | Nechckn | Xinhuan in a nutshell it displays your routes on the GathererHUD |
| 19:57.57 | NeoTron | because you lose dkp if your items don't drop |
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| 19:58.09 | sb|work | you also lose spent-points :p |
| 19:58.16 | Xinhuan | no that's not what the function does |
| 19:58.19 | LoialOtter | it makes a list of all the lines in the local routes with info about colour and stuff... realy it´s just to get at internal data, but it also filters it somewhat |
| 19:58.21 | NeoTron | VonhintenHOME`: give you an example: we've gotten ONE axe from KT, ever |
| 19:58.54 | VonhintenHOME` | Even with decay, the person that needs it will still likely get it |
| 19:59.03 | NeoTron | it makes previously earned points valued less, even if makes previously spent points valued less |
| 19:59.15 | Nechckn | Must be a different one then, sorry.. will let the river diving, clam eater finish. ;-) |
| 19:59.42 | Xinhuan | all it seems to be doing is copying the route coordinates into a table called list[] |
| 19:59.50 | NeoTron | we have pure X dkp per event (x is like 2-7 or whatever), bid whatever min bid 1 system and it works fine |
| 20:00.07 | LoialOtter | the function is a cut down map-display function that doesn´t draw, it simply updates a list with all the data... my HUD code then displays that data |
| 20:00.22 | NeoTron | since 95% of all items aren't very desirable it works out to people bidding a lot on the few items that are |
| 20:00.25 | LoialOtter | yup, that´s about it |
| 20:01.03 | LoialOtter | might be worth it to re-name it realy, if other packages want to use it... if you do, tell me what the new name is and i´ll update my code |
| 20:01.12 | NeoTron | VonhintenHOME`: and what does a lot of loot matter when 25% of it is pally plate no one needs and 25% of it is plate tank gear with shield block that no one needs? :P |
| 20:01.29 | NeoTron | if we get two good items per boss, on average, it's a good night! |
| 20:01.31 | Xinhuan | i'll prefer if you just access my SV directly from your addon and build your own lines |
| 20:01.39 | VonhintenHOME` | lol... for us, it's "Vanquisher this, Vanquisher that" |
| 20:01.54 | LoialOtter | i can´t find a way to get at the data... it all seems to be local |
| 20:02.08 | NeoTron | I suspect the t8.5 sets will be rather non-desirable |
| 20:02.10 | LoialOtter | can i talk to you in an hour or so... i need to do something IRL... |
| 20:02.13 | NeoTron | for guilds capable of doing hard modew |
| 20:02.26 | NeoTron | which is unfortunate |
| 20:02.28 | Xinhuan | its not |
| 20:02.32 | Xinhuan | i have another addon that i wrote |
| 20:02.35 | Xinhuan | called GatherHu |
| 20:02.37 | Xinhuan | called GatherHud |
| 20:02.44 | Xinhuan | it draws routes data as well |
| 20:02.51 | Xinhuan | by accessing the data directly |
| 20:03.00 | LoialOtter_AFK | i should take a look at that... thanks |
| 20:03.19 | Xinhuan | keep in mind that GatherHud is actually a direct competitor of GathererHud ;p |
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| 20:03.26 | Xinhuan | i wrote it for that exact purpose |
| 20:03.48 | Xinhuan | GatherHud is a HUD display for Routes+GatherMate |
| 20:04.05 | LoialOtter_AFK | that´s fine... if you want i can check for optomizations in it too... |
| 20:04.07 | Xinhuan | you're welcome to look at the code |
| 20:04.20 | Xinhuan | its essentially just an eliptical circle |
| 20:04.24 | Xinhuan | and i draw routes lines in it |
| 20:04.44 | Xinhuan | by accessing the routes SV directly, and calling routes.G:DrawLine() if necessary |
| 20:04.59 | LoialOtter_AFK | i changed gathererhud to use matrix math with proper 3d perspective... it´s sweet... and it improved the speed quite a bit |
| 20:05.21 | LoialOtter_AFK | i´ll take a look latter, gotta go |
| 20:05.29 | Xinhuan | i multiplied out the coordinates ;p |
| 20:05.33 | Xinhuan | but yeah, it will be similar |
| 20:07.26 | VonhintenHOME` | why doesn't lua support array notation on strings... sigh |
| 20:08.28 | ckknight | VonhintenHOME`: how do you mean? |
| 20:09.18 | Xinhuan | he doesn't want to use string.sub() |
| 20:09.22 | VonhintenHOME` | "blah"[1] |
| 20:09.25 | Xinhuan | to check for a single letter |
| 20:09.32 | VonhintenHOME` | as an extreme case |
| 20:09.36 | ckknight | VonhintenHOME`: it's not an array. Use :sub |
| 20:09.39 | ckknight | ("blah"):sub(1, 1) |
| 20:09.55 | VonhintenHOME` | that's lame, L2Language |
| 20:10.28 | Xinhuan | strings in lua and in c are totally different |
| 20:10.33 | VonhintenHOME` | sub is so... qbasic era |
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| 20:10.53 | Xinhuan | every string in lua is unique and immutable |
| 20:10.59 | Xinhuan | it isn't so in C |
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| 20:11.17 | VonhintenHOME` | well, C still has const |
| 20:11.22 | ckknight | hey all, got a question: for the author rewards program, we have a pool and we split it initially for addons and libraries separately. So, what should be the percentages of addons vs. libraries? |
| 20:11.41 | Xinhuan | 100% addons, 0% libs :) |
| 20:12.33 | Xinhuan | well might be a bit extreme, but generally speaking, when an author writes a lib |
| 20:12.35 | ckknight | ...I disagree |
| 20:12.43 | Xinhuan | that lib is 90% of teh time going to be used in one of his own addons |
| 20:13.10 | AckisWork | 85% addons, 11% libs, 4% ackis |
| 20:13.16 | ckknight | what about, say, Threat-2.0 (if we remember it), it was used by more than just Omen, why shouldn't Antiarc have gotten points for the other addons? |
| 20:13.36 | VonhintenHOME` | "because" |
| 20:13.41 | ckknight | we want to encourage library creation |
| 20:13.52 | ckknight | and reward lib authors |
| 20:13.53 | durcyn | yes, reward LibLordFarlander |
| 20:13.59 | durcyn | for his brilliant conributions |
| 20:14.07 | ckknight | durcyn: yea, we would if people used addons that used LibLordFarlander. |
| 20:14.26 | ckknight | since a library's score is based off the score of its addons |
| 20:14.33 | VonhintenHOME` | I think you should be encouraging library reuse more than creation :) |
| 20:14.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:15.00 | ckknight | btw, libraries don't get points unless they're used by ≥ 2 addons |
| 20:15.02 | Xinhuan | well if its one thing i hate, its people creating libs that only 1 addon will ever use |
| 20:15.08 | Xinhuan | why is it a lib in the first place if so |
| 20:15.34 | AckisWork | @project lib-xinhan |
| 20:15.35 | Repo | AckisWork: No project found that matches 'lib-xinhan' |
| 20:15.38 | AckisWork | fuck |
| 20:15.41 | AckisWork | I'm not typing anymore today |
| 20:16.09 | ckknight | pokes fun at AckisWork |
| 20:16.29 | ckknight | *poke* *poke* |
| 20:16.34 | AckisWork | :( |
| 20:16.37 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: if the library itself would be universally useful it's not a bad idea per se |
| 20:17.06 | Nechckn | 10-15 seems reasonable, spread across the libs if they're from different authors. |
| 20:17.40 | Xinhuan | well, i don't know if it is right for authors to get "double dip" for using their library in their addon |
| 20:17.43 | Xinhuan | if you get what i mean |
| 20:17.48 | NeoTron | ckknight: I'd say a better library usability check would be number of addons using it by different authors |
| 20:18.08 | NeoTron | i.e I make MagicComm which is a library. it's used by a chunk of my addons |
| 20:18.21 | NeoTron | but I sure as heck wouldn't expect it to be counted separately as it's just a convinience for myself |
| 20:18.31 | ckknight | NeoTron: still, a library's score is based off of the addons that use it |
| 20:18.38 | Nechckn | there would only be 20 points for the full download though, or whatever, right? that's a set amount, so if they used their own libs, it would still count toward their "part" of the addon. |
| 20:18.40 | ckknight | basically, say your addon has a score of 100 |
| 20:18.53 | ckknight | if you have 10 libs, then each lib gets a lib-score of 10 |
| 20:19.33 | Nechckn | were it 100, it would seem that 10-15 should go to the libs, spread across them all. |
| 20:19.57 | NeoTron | I think I should reevaluate specifically MagicComm though now when I think about it. It can be part of one of my addons and just externalized directly from that addon into other addons that use it |
| 20:20.00 | ckknight | you didn't read what I read earlier, did you? |
| 20:20.07 | NeoTron | it shouldn't, and doesn't have to be, a separate project anymore |
| 20:20.09 | ckknight | the libraries and the addons have two separate pools |
| 20:20.37 | Xinhuan | if you make it that way, wouldn't ace2/3 libs get like 80% of the lib pool |
| 20:20.49 | ckknight | Xinhuan: yea, they get a ton. |
| 20:20.51 | Xinhuan | or is my math wrong somewhere |
| 20:20.56 | ckknight | as well they should. |
| 20:21.08 | ckknight | it's not 80%, though |
| 20:21.31 | ckknight | basically, for each project, it doles out a score to each library it uses, based on the project's score |
| 20:21.37 | ckknight | and then those scores are summed up |
| 20:21.41 | ckknight | and then compared against one another |
| 20:21.59 | Xinhuan | err that would skew it towards ace2/3 a lot |
| 20:22.06 | ckknight | um, good. |
| 20:22.11 | ckknight | since ace2 and ace3 are used a lot. |
| 20:22.13 | selckin | predicts ppl trying to abuse this in many ways |
| 20:22.14 | ckknight | and deserve it. |
| 20:22.15 | Xinhuan | and probably unfairly |
| 20:22.16 | NeoTron | think the point ckknight is making is that that would be intended |
| 20:22.24 | ckknight | why unfairly? |
| 20:22.45 | ckknight | we're basically trying to be as "fair" as possible |
| 20:22.50 | ckknight | giving libraries what they earn |
| 20:22.54 | Xinhuan | right now most new addons are written as "minimal" as possible |
| 20:22.54 | ckknight | based on popularity |
| 20:23.02 | Xinhuan | that is to say, it would likely only include ace3 and no other library |
| 20:23.07 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:23.10 | ckknight | good for Ace3, then |
| 20:23.15 | ckknight | what's the problem? |
| 20:23.22 | ckknight | that's up to the addon creator's discretion |
| 20:23.28 | Xinhuan | yes, so my question is about double dipping |
| 20:23.28 | ckknight | if they get popular, then hurrah |
| 20:23.44 | Xinhuan | what's to stop an author to say, break his addon into 10 libs |
| 20:23.47 | ckknight | still the same amount of cheese in the end. |
| 20:23.49 | Xinhuan | to eat into the lib share |
| 20:23.55 | Xinhuan | on top of his addon share |
| 20:24.00 | ckknight | well, each lib has to be used by at least 2 addons |
| 20:24.03 | Xinhuan | when those libs shouldn't even exist in the first place |
| 20:24.10 | ckknight | if it's usable by at least two addons, then it's probably a valid lib |
| 20:24.19 | ckknight | also, we'll investigate any claims of "gaming the system". |
| 20:24.21 | Xinhuan | aha, you didn't tell me about the "in use by 2 addons rule" |
| 20:24.25 | ckknight | yes I did |
| 20:24.27 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:24.36 | Kaelten | yeah in use by at elast 2 and that's subject to change |
| 20:24.49 | Kaelten | it's still gamable, but not as easily |
| 20:24.49 | ckknight | we might make it 3 later |
| 20:24.49 | ckknight | it's real easy to change |
| 20:24.52 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 20:25.02 | Xinhuan | ok, with the at least 2 addons rule, i'll back off ;p |
| 20:25.04 | Kaelten | to some extent there'll have to be manual moderation. |
| 20:25.05 | ckknight | and we can change it at any point in time, at our (Kaelten and I's) discretion |
| 20:25.12 | Xinhuan | i think you understood me hehe |
| 20:25.17 | Kaelten | :P |
| 20:25.20 | ckknight | so I think we're at an agreement, then. |
| 20:25.23 | Xinhuan | oh how it would be abusable otherwise |
| 20:25.24 | Kaelten | NivFreak: ping |
| 20:25.31 | ckknight | 9% addons, 1% libs, 90% to a secret fund for Kaelten and I |
| 20:25.39 | ckknight | <.< |
| 20:25.40 | ckknight | >.> |
| 20:25.42 | Xinhuan | even though, nothing is stopping libforlander from creating 10 libs for use across his 4 addons |
| 20:25.43 | ckknight | don't tell anyone, though |
| 20:25.45 | Xinhuan | to uh |
| 20:25.46 | Kaelten | ;) |
| 20:25.50 | Xinhuan | eat a lib share ;p |
| 20:25.52 | AckisWork | http://www.wowace.com/projects/liblordfarlander-2-0/reverse-relationships/ <-- used in 7 addons |
| 20:25.59 | Xinhuan | because you earlier said |
| 20:26.01 | ckknight | Xinhuan: yea, and he'll only get points _if he gets users_ |
| 20:26.06 | Xinhuan | if an addon is worth 100 points |
| 20:26.10 | ckknight | Xinhuan: and if he gets users, that's good for him |
| 20:26.14 | ckknight | but he's not that popular. |
| 20:26.27 | Xinhuan | then if he uses 10 libs, each lib gets 10 points yes? |
| 20:26.30 | Xinhuan | you said that earlier |
| 20:26.34 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: the using addon's popularity are weighed in. |
| 20:26.39 | ckknight | yes, but say his addon gets 100 points |
| 20:26.43 | ckknight | err, score of 100 |
| 20:26.48 | ckknight | Omen has like 10000 in comparison |
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| 20:26.52 | ckknight | so, it's marginal |
| 20:26.59 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to explain a hypothetical exploitable issue |
| 20:27.01 | genetik- | possible to collude to accrue points, you think? |
| 20:27.01 | Xinhuan | shhh :) |
| 20:27.14 | ckknight | genetik-: yea, and we'll investigate any claims of gaming. |
| 20:27.17 | Kaelten | genetik-: only if you actually have users |
| 20:27.18 | genetik- | cool |
| 20:27.29 | Xinhuan | ok lets say addonX has 100 points |
| 20:27.31 | ckknight | if you have users, then you win anyway |
| 20:27.32 | Xinhuan | 100 score rather |
| 20:27.32 | Kaelten | I think cknight is gaming insteading working, investigate! |
| 20:27.33 | genetik- | well, you could convince friends/guildies to download your addon and just disable it |
| 20:27.40 | AckisWork | ckknight: Xinhuan is gaming |
| 20:27.46 | genetik- | for example |
| 20:27.48 | Kaelten | someone check out the new icons |
| 20:27.48 | ckknight | investigates Xinhuan |
| 20:27.48 | Kaelten | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/289359/Curse%20Client-3.0.0.1.1.dmg |
| 20:27.53 | ckknight | everything looks fine here, AckisWork |
| 20:28.05 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r5071 Ulduar/Vezax.lua: BigWigs: Vezax: koKR Update |
| 20:28.09 | ckknight | genetik-: sure you could. good for you. |
| 20:28.15 | ckknight | genetik-: you get, say, 100 people. That's marginal |
| 20:28.18 | genetik- | true |
| 20:28.20 | Xinhuan | ok lets say addonX has 100 score, and it uses 2 libs - ace2 and libforlander, so under the system explained earlier, each lib gets 50 points yes? |
| 20:28.21 | ckknight | genetik-: come back when you have 100k people. |
| 20:28.25 | AckisWork | ckknight: zomg you checked out his weiner |
| 20:28.36 | NeoTron | so I'd still argue that if a library is only used by a single author, don't count it as a library |
| 20:28.37 | ckknight | Xinhuan: yea, they get a lib-score (separate from addon-score) of 50 each |
| 20:28.41 | ckknight | AckisWork: ..yes |
| 20:28.44 | Xinhuan | now what happens if libforlander splits his one lib into 4 libs |
| 20:28.49 | Xinhuan | so that same addon now uses 5 libs |
| 20:28.52 | Xinhuan | ace2 and 4 of his libs |
| 20:29.02 | Xinhuan | ace2 now gets 20% of the share, and his 4 libs get 80% |
| 20:29.03 | AckisWork | hey ckknight and Kaelten: download all my mods and just disable them plz |
| 20:29.10 | Xinhuan | now ace2 unfairly loses points |
| 20:29.12 | ckknight | NeoTron: my addons have multiple authors. If I have 5 addons that all use my libs which are legit, but have a lot of authors using, then what then? |
| 20:29.18 | ckknight | AckisWork: k |
| 20:29.31 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it's up to the addon author's discretion. |
| 20:29.46 | ckknight | Xinhuan: if he has a lot of users, then he's fine |
| 20:29.54 | ckknight | and can cause an effect |
| 20:30.05 | Xinhuan | so you think splitting up ace3 into 12 sublibs is ok? :) |
| 20:30.14 | Xinhuan | to eat a bigger share |
| 20:30.16 | ckknight | yea, actually, imo it should've been. |
| 20:30.21 | Nechckn | Wouldn't it make more sense to just do it off of the 1 "addon package" download and assign it a total point value. Then take some percent of that for the lib pool and the rest to the "main" addon? |
| 20:30.23 | Xinhuan | i'm not convinced |
| 20:30.24 | ckknight | I think it's absurd that it's considered one lib. |
| 20:30.35 | Nechckn | That would keep people from doing exactly what Xinhuan is saying |
| 20:30.40 | Nechckn | or help to stop it, anyway |
| 20:30.42 | AckisWork | ninja adds himself to LibStub |
| 20:30.54 | ckknight | Nechckn: that's essentially what happens, just on a grander scale. |
| 20:31.00 | Xinhuan | because ace3 is 1 framework.. or sort of "1 lib of many libs" |
| 20:31.09 | Xinhuan | if you split it into 12 libs |
| 20:31.19 | Xinhuan | suddenly that "equal lib sharing points" thing skews towards ace3 |
| 20:31.29 | ckknight | that was Kaelten's decision |
| 20:31.33 | ckknight | he could change it. |
| 20:31.36 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 20:31.41 | Nechckn | You could also handicap it a bit, too |
| 20:31.57 | Grum | or just dont care and see how it turns out |
| 20:31.59 | ckknight | Xinhuan: compared to Rock, which has lots of libs |
| 20:32.01 | ckknight | separate projects |
| 20:32.04 | ckknight | Nechckn: handicap? |
| 20:32.07 | NeoTron | just make the reward system give ckknight 60% and Kaelten 40% and call it a day. should save a lot of trouble right? :P |
| 20:32.17 | Kaelten | neoTron: works for me |
| 20:32.18 | ckknight | nah, I only get like 15% |
| 20:32.24 | Kaelten | NeoTron: aren't you a mac user? |
| 20:32.27 | Nechckn | sure, handicap Ace3, so that it won't get such a huge share compared to the rest. |
| 20:32.34 | Xinhuan | well i think i've gotten my point across ;p |
| 20:32.36 | ckknight | why, Nechckn? |
| 20:32.40 | Nechckn | since, for Ace "stuff" it would be a giant piece of the pie |
| 20:32.45 | Kaelten | Nechckn: don't want to go into project specific handicaps personly |
| 20:32.49 | Xinhuan | that splitting a lib into multiple sublibs gives significant advantages |
| 20:32.55 | NeoTron | Kaelten: LibStub? |
| 20:33.03 | ckknight | yay for smaller libs! |
| 20:33.08 | Kaelten | NeoTron: mac? |
| 20:33.27 | Nechckn | Kaelten well, for many of them I can see not doing it, but for Ace3 it would seem worthy. |
| 20:33.48 | Nechckn | I'll leave it at that though... as you CKK said, you can always adjust things later. |
| 20:33.52 | ckknight | why? Ace3 deserves what it gets, it's a good library that I'm happy to use and (essentially) share my addon points with |
| 20:33.55 | NeoTron | the percentage of points to a library should depend on the code size (minus comments, whitespace and text strings!) |
| 20:34.04 | ckknight | NeoTron: ick. |
| 20:34.14 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: more code = good? :P |
| 20:34.14 | ckknight | more comments = better |
| 20:34.14 | Kaelten | that'd be incourging a bad practice for sure |
| 20:34.15 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:34.17 | Grum | or just dont care and see how it turns out .. you can always change it afterwards! |
| 20:34.20 | ckknight | less code = good! |
| 20:34.39 | ckknight | Grum: yea, we don't use any magic numbers, it's all controlled by an easily-tweakable settings file |
| 20:34.41 | Grum | we should have ingame memory usage monitoring |
| 20:34.52 | Grum | and punish for wasting cpu cycles |
| 20:34.57 | NeoTron | I wasn't really being serious but I agree with Xinhuan that an even split between libraries seems easy to game |
| 20:35.05 | ckknight | quality of docs = more points |
| 20:35.06 | ckknight | amirite? |
| 20:35.07 | Grum | or again, just dont fucking care :D |
| 20:35.31 | ckknight | NeoTron: and as I said, we'll investigate any claims of gaming the system |
| 20:35.32 | Xinhuan | i didn't mean to specifically target ace3 there, i was merely using it as an example ;p |
| 20:35.38 | Kaelten | ckknight: but we want to give points, most people would owe us points if that where the case |
| 20:35.56 | NeoTron | including ace3! |
| 20:36.00 | Kaelten | yeah.. |
| 20:36.02 | ckknight | Ace3 does need docs |
| 20:36.16 | ckknight | if you are accused and found to be gaming the system, you will be banned from the author rewards program (but not necessarily the site as a whole) |
| 20:36.20 | Kaelten | let me get this mac client out.... |
| 20:36.46 | Kaelten | yeah and your points will be confescated |
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| 20:36.50 | Kaelten | confiscated |
| 20:36.51 | NeoTron | still need oldsvn for the AceConfig-3.0 docs |
| 20:36.56 | nevcairiel | I started writing luadoc docs for Ace3, but apparently i'm alone on that endavour and it takes time :/ |
| 20:37.08 | ckknight | yea... |
| 20:37.09 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I wish I had sphinx |
| 20:37.12 | Kaelten | for lua |
| 20:37.14 | Kaelten | that'd rock |
| 20:37.19 | NeoTron | I know documenting sucks and I am very much guilty of it |
| 20:37.48 | nevcairiel | also, ckknights weird new doc thingy still requires me to fix the docs i already did to the new syntax |
| 20:38.11 | AckisWork | regexp halp! If I have something in the format of: x.y,x.y@a.b.c,d how can I find things that do NOT match that pattern? |
| 20:38.30 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: I agree blame ckknight |
| 20:38.31 | Xinhuan | ackis: huh |
| 20:38.32 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: and I still seem to get random cases where some of my widges are simply missing (hidden I presume). There shouldn't be any way a widget can be freed without an explicit "Release" right? |
| 20:38.42 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I want a list of things that do not match my pattern |
| 20:38.45 | ckknight | nevcairiel: how do you mean? |
| 20:38.56 | Xinhuan | just try to match, and if you get nil, it doesn't match?? |
| 20:39.06 | NeoTron | AckisWork: if(!string->match(pattern)) |
| 20:39.06 | nevcairiel | ckknight: the generated pages are creole now, and i used some ''' ''' in the code to make it look better! |
| 20:39.11 | NeoTron | good luck negating regexps :P |
| 20:39.21 | ckknight | nevcairiel: it's **bold** and //italics// now |
| 20:39.23 | ckknight | nevcairiel: soz |
| 20:39.31 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I have 16,000 entries in this text file and I'm sure all of them will match it, just wanted to see if any didn't |
| 20:39.32 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 20:39.37 | nevcairiel | just have to change |
| 20:39.52 | Xinhuan | well just try to match them... ~_~ |
| 20:40.04 | AckisWork | that's 16k entries to view :P |
| 20:40.13 | NeoTron | no? |
| 20:40.17 | Xinhuan | i don't know, "not matching" is the negation of "matching" |
| 20:40.21 | Xinhuan | so i would try to match. |
| 20:40.34 | NeoTron | are you trying to do it via grep or something? |
| 20:40.43 | AckisWork | but I don't know what the opposite pattern would be, it could be anything |
| 20:40.48 | AckisWork | NeoTron: notepad++ |
| 20:41.01 | NeoTron | don't know |
| 20:41.13 | NeoTron | but only way to negate a normal regexp is to find strings that don't match it |
| 20:41.18 | Xinhuan | it would be trying to match it and failing, zzz |
| 20:41.26 | NeoTron | true that |
| 20:42.03 | Xinhuan | and probably a lot faster too |
| 20:42.18 | Xinhuan | since you try to match specific regexes, than generic opposites |
| 20:43.17 | ckknight | I go on TV in an hours |
| 20:43.19 | ckknight | an hour* |
| 20:43.20 | ckknight | zomg! |
| 20:43.25 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:43.46 | Xinhuan | or you can try to explain what you are doing and we can see if you're missing an obvious in-the-face solution ;p |
| 20:43.48 | ulic | COPS? |
| 20:44.19 | ckknight | http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-free |
| 20:44.23 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I have a list of names, e-mail addresses and departments which I'm parsing to determine if there are any false positive entries in the list |
| 20:44.57 | NeoTron | sounds to me like you need to do a "egrep -v pattern file.txt" |
| 20:45.01 | genetik- | cat file | grep -v "x.y,x.y@a.b.c,d" |
| 20:45.24 | Fisker- | Zarnivoop |
| 20:45.26 | Fisker- | my mortal enemy |
| 20:45.43 | Xinhuan | so just grep a pattern, and output all lines that don't match it? hehe |
| 20:45.46 | Fisker- | [21:44:47][Guild] [Fiskerdin]: Skada report on Healing for Sapphiron, 21:38:02 to 21:43:32: |
| 20:45.46 | Fisker- | [21:44:47][Guild] [Fiskerdin]: 1. Lothran 1.18M (3778.5, 17.5%) |
| 20:45.47 | Fisker- | [21:44:47][Guild] [Fiskerdin]: Slackie 1.01M (3229.5, 7.3%) |
| 20:45.47 | Fisker- | [21:44:47][Guild] [Fiskerdin]: 2. Fiskerdin 982.5K (3159.1, 14.6%) |
| 20:45.51 | AckisWork | doesn't have grep |
| 20:46.01 | Fisker- | you can guess who is nr. nothing on healing |
| 20:46.02 | Fisker- | a mage of course :3 |
| 20:46.06 | Xinhuan | windows has find.exe, same thing ;p |
| 20:46.28 | genetik- | find.exe /v |
| 20:49.06 | NeoTron | genetik-: fail at excessive use of cat |
| 20:49.10 | genetik- | heh |
| 20:49.35 | genetik- | just a habit, i guess |
| 20:49.47 | NeoTron | bad one at that ;-) |
| 20:49.58 | genetik- | well, usually i use grep in more complex scenarios |
| 20:50.03 | dodga | genetik-: Dude, don't cat a file into grep, that's just wrong |
| 20:50.22 | AckisWork | use dog instead? |
| 20:50.26 | NeoTron | even so there's never a reason to cat from a file like that really |
| 20:50.51 | dodga | AckisWork: Funny. :> |
| 20:51.01 | NeoTron | only if you need to cat multiple files into a program that doesn't handle it |
| 20:51.06 | NeoTron | or something :P |
| 20:51.17 | durcyn | i'm going to choke you AckisWork |
| 20:51.52 | AckisWork | durcyn: :P |
| 20:51.57 | AckisWork | so my regex is: .+\..+,.+ |
| 20:56.00 | Megalon | AckisWork: windows? |
| 20:56.10 | AckisWork | Megalon: aye |
| 20:56.20 | Megalon | are you using mIRC? |
| 20:56.30 | AckisWork | no |
| 20:56.33 | AckisWork | mibbit |
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| 20:57.22 | Fisker- | fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 20:57.25 | Fisker- | stupid kel'thuzad |
| 20:57.28 | Fisker- | used seal of command |
| 20:57.30 | Megalon | that probably supports some kind of scripting? |
| 20:57.44 | Megalon | could use that for the parsing probably |
| 20:57.48 | Megalon | no clue what mibbit uses :c |
| 20:57.59 | AckisWork | Megalon: nah it's a web-based one |
| 20:58.23 | Megalon | ah, ok then probably not ;D |
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| 21:03.09 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: how the hell do you put regexp into find? :P |
| 21:03.39 | Xinhuan | i don't think you can actually, but there are probably grep utilities on the net |
| 21:03.42 | Grum | just use a scripting language |
| 21:03.44 | Xinhuan | heck even Notepad++ comes with one |
| 21:03.45 | Xinhuan | in built |
| 21:03.49 | Grum | even if it is vbs o.O |
| 21:03.58 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: can't do the /v thing |
| 21:04.07 | Xinhuan | true |
| 21:04.09 | Grum | google for grep.exe O.o |
| 21:06.24 | AckisWork | meh w/e I'll do ([A-Z]+)\.([A-Z]+)\,([A-Z]+)\.([A-Z]+)\@gov.ab.ca\,([A-Z ]+) and find/replace to find oddballs |
| 21:11.23 | askr | ckknight: what do you think about an extra options to mirror auras? I've written a short patch adding this option |
| 21:11.37 | ckknight | paste.wowace.com, askr |
| 21:11.38 | ckknight | lemme see |
| 21:15.56 | askr | http://nopaste.com/p/aI0IzWmSL |
| 21:21.12 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:21.15 | ckknight | okay, submit that as a ticket |
| 21:21.19 | ckknight | assign it to Shefki for now |
| 21:21.47 | VonhintenHOME` | Think it's ok to eat yogurt that's 2 weeks over its past due date? |
| 21:23.17 | krka | look and smell it |
| 21:23.28 | askr | grr, the form to submit tickets is nice.. after changing the type it resets the text field |
| 21:23.36 | krka | it if smells bad or has weird lumps, don't eat it |
| 21:25.00 | ckknight | if you do eat it, it will cure your venereal disease |
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| 21:26.55 | VonhintenHOME` | sweet |
| 21:27.37 | Anaral | How long does it take for packages to show up on curse.com after uploading to curseforge? |
| 21:27.49 | ckknight | Anaral: 5 minutes |
| 21:27.50 | ckknight | ish |
| 21:27.54 | Anaral | Otay |
| 21:27.58 | Anaral | Thank you |
| 21:28.18 | Anaral | Apparently my browser didn't do a fresh reload. I see it now. |
| 21:28.48 | askr | ckknight: I didn't find an option to assign the ticket to someone |
| 21:28.56 | ckknight | oh |
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| 21:29.00 | ckknight | put it on components: aura |
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| 21:37.26 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Nevcairiel * r5072 Ulduar/Vezax.lua: BigWigs: Vezax: Fix Vapor trigger and tweak other mods. |
| 21:39.10 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Nevcairiel * r5073 Ulduar/Vezax.lua: |
| 21:39.13 | Repo | BigWigs: Vezax: Fix Raid Warning for Mark of the Faceless warning |
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| 21:45.17 | VonhintenHOME` | Fortress author come around these parts? |
| 21:54.56 | ckknight | anyone who wants to vote this up/down should: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1262-allow-author-to-disable-nolib-packaging/ |
| 21:57.14 | Gnarfoz | Zarnivoop: skada is teh broke :< |
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| 21:59.32 | Skellum | Anyone know what bosses are required to die in Ulduar to actualy gain access to Yoggy? |
| 21:59.45 | Axodious | all the ones with hard mode |
| 22:00.45 | Axodious | Ignis the Furnace Master, Razorscale, Kologarn, and Auriaya do not have hard modes. Algalon does not have a normal mode. |
| 22:00.49 | Axodious | ^- not those ones |
| 22:00.49 | Axodious | :D |
| 22:01.14 | Hjalte | They're talking about the addons UI Policy on the ESL stream now http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-free |
| 22:01.34 | Hjalte | Probably nothing new, but meh. |
| 22:01.55 | Skellum | You're sure? |
| 22:02.02 | Skellum | I know its required for Algernon |
| 22:02.18 | Axodious | oh dur |
| 22:02.19 | Axodious | misread |
| 22:02.29 | Axodious | i assume all of them Skellum |
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| 22:02.42 | Axodious | minus alg of course |
| 22:02.50 | Skellum | Yea, I'm trying to plan our race for it |
| 22:03.01 | Skellum | Since yogg relys on hard modes, and algernon does too |
| 22:03.09 | Skellum | Well yogg relys on his own hard mode |
| 22:03.29 | Skellum | If you can kill them in a non-liner order, get down tank, statue dude, then clear to yogg, Ie Vezaks and such |
| 22:03.38 | Axodious | fromt what ive gather you can kill everyone on normal then yogg on hard mode |
| 22:03.43 | Axodious | to get the yogg server first |
| 22:03.54 | Skellum | Yea, but if you do that then you leave yourself behind a week for algernon |
| 22:04.19 | Skellum | But if you can get yogg with hodir, freya,thorim mirmir up then you can nail algernon presumably in the same week, guild skill depending of course |
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| 22:17.44 | ulic | hmm, repo died and I can't seem to connect to the svn server either. |
| 22:19.23 | ckknight | Shefki: I gave you a shout-out of ESL.tv |
| 22:19.34 | Shefki | ? |
| 22:19.44 | ckknight | I gave an interview |
| 22:19.48 | ckknight | about the UI policy |
| 22:19.51 | ckknight | and how it's bullshit |
| 22:19.56 | ckknight | I gave you a shout-out at the end |
| 22:20.01 | Hjalte | ckknight: That was pretty good on ESL. I think some of the casuals might have understood the problems now. |
| 22:20.02 | Shefki | Ohh umm thanks. |
| 22:20.09 | Shefki | What's ESL? |
| 22:20.17 | ckknight | Electronic Sports League |
| 22:20.34 | Shefki | URL? since esl.tv takes me to a parked domain. |
| 22:20.44 | ckknight | tv.esl.eu |
| 22:21.03 | ckknight | Hjalte: yea, the guy said that people at Blizzard do watch, which is my main reason for doing it |
| 22:21.36 | ckknight | I also mentioned you, ZorbaTHut |
| 22:22.05 | ckknight | and my gf got mad for not giving her a shout-out |
| 22:22.51 | nevcairiel | The people from blizzard that do watch probably have not even heard of the ui policy ;) |
| 22:23.29 | ckknight | I know. |
| 22:25.33 | Stanzilla | that live or video on demand? |
| 22:26.38 | ckknight | it was live |
| 22:26.42 | ckknight | you might be able to get it after |
| 22:27.02 | Shefki | So I'm probably watching something live that's never gonna get to this.. |
| 22:27.50 | Gnarfoz | someone ping me if you find a recording of that interview |
| 22:28.18 | ckknight | I'll talk to the host about whether I can get a recording |
| 22:28.33 | ckknight | I tried to represent authors to the best of my ability |
| 22:28.49 | nevcairiel | You didn't really represent me if you caleld it flat out bullshit =P |
| 22:29.10 | ckknight | sorry, I kept it PG |
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| 22:31.33 | Hjalte | ckknight: You can watch earlier wow wednesdays on the website for free, so yours should be up too at some point. |
| 22:31.46 | Shefki | Yeah I was just noticing that. |
| 22:32.03 | ckknight | oh, okay |
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| 22:39.38 | TooGood | yeah i hope the casuals do understand |
| 22:39.44 | TooGood | it effects alot of ppl |
| 22:39.53 | TooGood | but yeah |
| 22:39.58 | TooGood | im just a host i have no oppinon :) |
| 22:40.42 | Shefki | ? |
| 22:41.26 | Camci | what do i write in macro to target myself ? |
| 22:41.36 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.14 | Camci | thanks <3 |
| 22:42.35 | nevcairiel | I dunno why people complain about the ui policys, in the time the policy is up, i've gotten more donations then in the whole time before that =P |
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| 22:43.00 | nevcairiel | And i don't ask for them in any way, i just have a small button on wowace |
| 22:43.01 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Because it's not about donations. At least for me. |
| 22:43.45 | nevcairiel | I don't want to sell stuff, and i don't advertise, all the other points no-one ever objects against, so why would i cry |
| 22:44.14 | nevcairiel | As was pointed out on the wowace forums, alot of other games simply start with those rules |
| 22:44.33 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It's not the same with those games. The mods for FPS are real content. Not just a UI modification. |
| 22:44.52 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That content is already viewed as a derivative work anyway. |
| 22:45.14 | nevcairiel | Still, people would never have complained if wow was launched with those rules. |
| 22:45.31 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I doubt I would have worked on any addons. |
| 22:45.43 | nevcairiel | Why? |
| 22:45.44 | Shefki | nevcairiel: And none of the addons could have OSS licenses applied. |
| 22:45.51 | nevcairiel | Why? |
| 22:46.06 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Because if the works are derivative works you can't set the license terms. |
| 22:46.12 | Shefki | Not without Blizzard signing off on it. |
| 22:46.15 | nevcairiel | No-one claims they are |
| 22:46.21 | nevcairiel | people came up with that |
| 22:46.24 | nevcairiel | blizzard never said that |
| 22:46.38 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It's pretty much the only way they have the right to control distribution. |
| 22:46.48 | Shefki | Which the policy claims to control. |
| 22:47.49 | nevcairiel | As i've said earlier, thats just one way to interpret it, and people that want to complain choose that |
| 22:47.59 | Shefki | What other way would you interpret it? |
| 22:48.30 | Shefki | Provide a rationale argument to explain how they can control distribution without the addons being a derivative work. |
| 22:48.42 | Shefki | I've yet to hear one other than people saying they're not attempting to control distribution. |
| 22:48.59 | Shefki | Despite the policy saying it's guidelines for development and DISTRIBUTION. |
| 22:49.47 | nevcairiel | They don't have to. They just "ban" those addons, so that using them is a breach of contract for the users. So if you still actively distribute them, they get you for tort interference, or how that was called/spelled anyway |
| 22:50.01 | Shefki | But they don't say that. |
| 22:50.38 | nevcairiel | They don't say that they own your addons either |
| 22:51.01 | Shefki | But they do say they can control distribution. |
| 22:51.04 | Shefki | "1) Add-ons must be free of charge. |
| 22:51.41 | Shefki | All add-ons must be distributed free of charge." |
| 22:51.52 | Shefki | Blizzard Entertainment has formalized design and distribution guidelines for add-ons |
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| 22:52.28 | Shefki | If they had said they were use guidelines and addons that weren't availble for free would be banned then that would be a very different claim. |
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| 22:52.45 | Shefki | If you're right that's what they mean they could make a lot of us happy by just changing a few words. |
| 22:52.45 | nevcairiel | I still don't see it saying that they control the distribution. They have a guideline for distribution, and if you don't obey those guidelines, they ban you, or get you a tort if you insist on continuing |
| 22:53.08 | nevcairiel | is just a more positive guy |
| 22:53.27 | Tuller | i'm just really expecting blizzard to revise their policy a good ibt |
| 22:53.31 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Given Blizzard's past history of ridiculous copyright law arguments, I'm not inclined to just assume they're taking those positions. |
| 22:53.54 | nevcairiel | Shefki: well seing how they just pulled the tort on glider, its not that much of a stretch for me =) |
| 22:54.07 | Tuller | that sound dirty |
| 22:54.31 | Tuller | that sounds dirty, rather |
| 22:54.38 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That wasn't the only argument in the glider case. |
| 22:54.43 | nevcairiel | I know |
| 22:55.26 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Honestly I expect Blizzard wants to throw as many darts at the dart board and see which ones stick. |
| 22:55.55 | nevcairiel | But I'm pretty sure that Blizzard knows that one of the big reasons WoW is so popular are actually the addons, and they wouldn't just start claiming that they own all of them now, and risk losing it all. Because if that claim really hardens, alot of people will stop, probably including me, but i just don't see it yet |
| 22:57.18 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'd rather they revise or give assurance that they mean what you say. |
| 22:57.31 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'd rather not find out I'm right 2 years from now when an author loses in court. |
| 22:57.34 | nevcairiel | Yeah some response would be good |
| 22:57.45 | Shefki | In fact I'd rather be wrong. |
| 22:58.21 | nevcairiel | I still somewhat expect some response, too |
| 22:58.36 | Shefki | Unless I'm flat out wrong I expect none. |
| 22:59.04 | nevcairiel | But do you agree that they could completly defend their guidelines with the tort way of action instead of the derivate claims? |
| 22:59.05 | Shefki | It's to their advantage legally to leave as many possible enforcement options open. |
| 22:59.30 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I agree. I've posted as much. Which is why i think they should just modify the policy so strongly. |
| 22:59.58 | nevcairiel | We'll see then |
| 23:00.26 | Shefki | I've even suggested that they just remove 1 and 2 and reword it as a addon use policy yand then add a new clause at the end that they can ban any addon they so choose. |
| 23:00.47 | Shefki | Which is technically broader and more open to interpretation. |
| 23:01.09 | Shefki | But... Makes it clear that their enforcement actions are basically: ask nicely, ban, tort. |
| 23:01.19 | SunTsu | Shefki: Yeah, and will eventually interpreted as another reason to cry a river |
| 23:01.37 | Shefki | SunTsu: EULA already gives them the right to block any addon they want. |
| 23:01.41 | SunTsu | Shefki: "Why should I write an addon they can choose to ban if they want to?!" |
| 23:02.18 | nevcairiel | Shefki is right though, they can already ban any addon, like they can ban any player if they chose to |
| 23:02.20 | SunTsu | Shefki: The point is, any way they write it somebody will find a new way to cry over it |
| 23:02.46 | ckknight | I like Shefki's thinking, though |
| 23:02.48 | Shefki | SunTsu: Sure, but I don't think most of us authors are so unreasonable. |
| 23:02.55 | ckknight | I agree that they have the right to ban whatever for whatever reason they please |
| 23:03.05 | ckknight | but trying to control distribution specifically is just wrong in my book |
| 23:03.41 | Shefki | Heck my suggestion even left the block on the donation stuff in game. |
| 23:03.56 | Shefki | But I'll add the the nUI, QH et al guys could still find a viable model. |
| 23:04.04 | Shefki | They could simply give a premium version for donations. |
| 23:04.07 | Shefki | Or sell their addon. |
| 23:04.09 | Shefki | Or whatever. |
| 23:04.14 | nevcairiel | Just emo-quitting is always bad |
| 23:04.27 | Shefki | I didn't emo-quit, I just stopped working on addons. |
| 23:04.40 | Shefki | And I laid out my reasons pretty clearly on the forums. |
| 23:05.13 | Shefki | All the code for my addons are still available, I'm just not doing any further work on them under these new terms until things are clarified or changed. |
| 23:05.54 | ckknight | Shefki: you're such an emo |
| 23:05.56 | ckknight | <.< |
| 23:05.57 | ckknight | >.> |
| 23:06.18 | nevcairiel | I have fun writing my addons, why would i stop now? :) |
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| 23:07.04 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Not advocating you should. We have have to evaluate the rules and the policy to our own circumstances. |
| 23:07.27 | Shefki | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864447468&sid=1&pageNo=19#366 |
| 23:07.32 | Shefki | ^ That's where I explained my position. |
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| 23:48.59 | ckknight | waves at the nice people |
| 23:49.11 | Groktar|laptop | waves at ckknight |
| 23:49.19 | ckknight | you're not nice. |
| 23:50.03 | Groktar|laptop | cries |
| 23:50.12 | Groktar|laptop | whispers a lewd suggestion into ckknight's ear |
| 23:50.17 | Groktar|laptop | winks slyly at ckknight |
| 23:50.28 | Stanzilla | bonks ckknight on the noggin. |
| 23:50.34 | ckknight | noes! |
| 23:50.46 | ckknight | what's up, Stanzilla? |
| 23:50.56 | Groktar|laptop | grabs ckknight's collar and drags him off to bed |
| 23:51.30 | ckknight | slices out Groktar|laptop's throat with a 7" switchblade |
| 23:52.05 | Stanzilla | just killed Sarth10+3 again, was annoying with pala+priest healer combination :/ |
| 23:52.14 | Groktar|laptop | bleeds into ckknight's mouth, giving him the HIV |
| 23:52.21 | Stanzilla | or maybe the pala just sucked. |
| 23:52.28 | ckknight | but I'm wearing a hazmat suit, Groktar|laptop |
| 23:52.52 | Groktar|laptop | o now you're just being silly |
| 23:53.23 | NeoTron | because you weren't before |
| 23:54.38 | Groktar|laptop | ^ |
