IRC log for #wowace on 20090518

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`00:15.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`great`
`00:15.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`CRC error on my Thorim fraps`
`00:15.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`wtf`
`00:15.52`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r5623 Ulduar/IronCouncil.lua: Fix engage_trigger3 (Brundir).`
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`00:35.19`	`haste`	`I wish there was a real fraps alternative for linux :(`
`00:35.39`	`haste`	`yukon is nice, except that the player segfaults when it tries to play 30G+ files`
`00:36.15`	`ckknight`	`http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv109/wtfmr/familyphotochokehold.jpg`
`00:36.27`	`haste`	`there's also glc which does a better job (and does sound), but its too unstable`
`00:36.40`	`haste`	`sadly both of them haven't been touched in months`
`00:37.06`	`Groktar`	`good lord`
`00:37.10`	`vhaarr`	`I just recorded with istanbul a few weeks ago, it worked perfectly`
`00:37.18`	`Groktar`	`the navy's new destroyer is up to 6 billion per ship`
`00:37.21`	`Repo`	`10elephant: 03pb_ee1 042.5.7-beta * r112 : Tagging as 2.5.7-beta`
`00:37.25`	`Groktar`	`the cost of a nimitz carrier`
`00:37.29`	`Groktar`	`lolwat?`
`00:38.18`	`haste`	`vhaarr: doesn't that one require 350 deps alone tho'?`
`00:38.29`	`vhaarr`	`I use gnome already so no`
`00:38.47`	`haste`	`I use a tiling wm D:`
`00:39.01`	`vhaarr`	`can use whatever wm you want with gnome`
`00:39.10`	`SqueeG`	`there're 350 libraries to run gnome?`
`00:39.34`	`vhaarr`	`are you really serious with that question?`
`00:39.39`	`SqueeG`	`dude`
`00:39.43`	`SqueeG`	`i've never bothered to look`
`00:39.51`	`SqueeG`	`Why would I?`
`00:40.05`	`dranor`	`did you really started to count how much windows would use?`
`00:40.11`	`dranor`	`its er...`
`00:40.15`	`dranor`	`nevermind`
`00:40.50`	`SqueeG`	`eh, i didn't give it much thought past 'oh it's a gui'`
`00:41.30`	`haste`	`rebuilds pango and cairo`
`00:42.43`	`haste`	`nice! :D`
`00:42.52`	`haste`	`the mob just decided to go fetch three packs of friends`
`00:42.55`	`haste`	`then evade`
`00:43.00`	`SqueeG`	`excellent`
`00:44.42`	`haste`	`paafekuto!`
`00:46.49`	`haste`	`rebuilds libsoup`
`00:46.56`	`haste`	`damn you and your requirements istanbul!`
`00:47.11`	`Cryect`	`Curious anyone made a library for composing the minimap images?`
`00:47.13`	`vhaarr`	`you'll probably need all of gstreamer or something as well :P`
`00:47.20`	`haste`	`Total: 22 packages (2 new, 20 upgrades), 49.69 MBytes to download`
`00:47.24`	`haste`	`I have streamer :D`
`00:47.28`	`haste`	`use it for quodlibet :#`
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`00:58.01`	`haste`	`the volume button only goes to 100% >:(`
`00:58.22`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r5624 / (5 files in 2 directories): BigWigs:`
`00:58.25`	`Repo`	`- zhCN/zhTW update.`
`00:59.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`Primer: ping`
`00:59.28`	`orionshock`	`... dynpref makes my wow crash in dalaran :(`
`00:59.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`whatever that is?`
`01:00.26`	`orionshock`	`it adjusts your video settings to where you maintain 27fps min`
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`01:10.02`	`Primer`	`Gnarfoz: yes?`
`01:11.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`Primer: regarding h264 video encoding etc. - the capture fraps files seem to be RGB24 or RGB32... however your avisynth script uses ConvertToYV12... can x264 not encode to RGB? is that a stupid idea? :D`
`01:11.54`	`Primer`	`NFI`
`01:11.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`hehe`
`01:12.00`	`Primer`	`All I know is, what I did worked`
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`01:14.58`	`Primer`	`I still think ffmepg shouldn't fuck up the resulting file in a way that youtube fucks it even further`
`01:15.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm?`
`01:15.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`what do you mean? your yt video looked fine and didn't have the stupid bug mine has`
`01:15.30`	`Primer`	`well, recall, my original issue was that the ffmpeg encoded video ended up corrupted on youtube`
`01:15.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`never linked that one ;-)`
`01:15.44`	`Primer`	`hence, all my hoop jumping`
`01:16.05`	`Primer`	`because I didn't want to upload it again just to show you`
`01:16.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`deleted it? ok ^^`
`01:17.15`	`Primer`	`yeah, I had already deleted it before I even brought it up here`
`01:28.02`	`Repo`	`10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw * r26 / (3 files in 2 directories): * AceLocale-3.0 got to be here.`
`01:31.15`	`Antiarc`	`Man`
`01:31.19`	`Antiarc`	`Pitbull and I do not get along`
`01:31.30`	`Antiarc`	`http://i44.tinypic.com/2jcsd4l.jpg`
`01:32.24`	`Stanzilla`	`I neved had it that high`
`01:32.39`	`waallen`	`Antiarc: I've got the same in Freya's room`
`01:32.43`	`Stanzilla`	`with 4.0 at least`
`01:33.27`	`Antiarc`	`The CPU usage is brutal`
`01:33.31`	`Primer`	`I've been seeing PB fuck up a lot lately`
`01:33.38`	`Primer`	`like, on a readycheck I don't see the icons`
`01:33.46`	`Primer`	`then in the config things are greyed out`
`01:34.05`	`Axodious`	`pb4 has been running at ~1.4 megs since i set it up`
`01:34.37`	`Primer`	`I'm still on PB3`
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`01:34.56`	`Repo`	`10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw * r27 TankMastery.lua: * ALPHA RELEASE... Plenty things to test.`
`01:34.59`	`Repo`	`* TankMastery now tries to detect tanks in party/raid based on their stance changes. As it is it is not 100% reliable, but provides good starting point. To be able to detect, the player has to be changing his stance in our visible range. Of course for more reliable results I do suggest people set their raid MTs over Blizzard's raid UI as well.`
`01:35.02`	`Repo`	`* Icon on screen: changes if target mob is targeting (and is being targeted by) another tank, or if it is targeting another member of raid. Should cut down wrong mob taunting, a lot. Relies on the raid tank detection / knowledge.`
`01:35.06`	`Repo`	`* Various optimizations`
`01:35.06`	`Primer`	`Gnarfoz: ok, I'm encoding another video with only ffmpeg`
`01:35.12`	`Primer`	`and I'll upload it shortly`
`01:35.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`k`
`01:36.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`(I'll use x264 anyway, dunno what encoder ffmpeg uses for h264? I thought they were somehow related, anyway?)`
`01:36.50`	`Repo`	`10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 * r18 ammobag.lua: * OMG how did I omit checking in this file?! Fail me... :(`
`01:37.14`	`Repo`	`10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 041.3 * r19 : Tagging as 1.3`
`01:38.44`	`Codayus`	`ffmpeg encodes h264 using the x264 library.`
`01:38.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`well`
`01:38.53`	`Primer`	`yeah, libx264`
`01:38.56`	`Codayus`	`There IS no x264 codec.`
`01:39.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`Codayus: there's plenty of builds providing one ;p`
`01:39.25`	`Primer`	`uploading now`
`01:39.28`	`Codayus`	`Sorry, rephrase.`
`01:39.46`	`Codayus`	`There is no x264 format. You can't encode TO x264.`
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`01:39.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`of course you can't`
`01:39.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`^^`
`01:40.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`wasn't suggesting that =)`
`01:40.25`	`Codayus`	`Wasn't suggesting you were. :-)`
`01:40.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`also I hate the mod16 requirement on h264 :(`
`01:40.43`	`Codayus`	`Just trying to be clear, and then getting it wrong myself. Bleh.`
`01:40.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`because 1680x1050 doesn't fit :D`
`01:41.50`	`Codayus`	`ffmpeg's support for some things is...less than stellar.`
`01:42.11`	`Cryect`	`1680x1050 is a weird standard resolution`
`01:42.17`	`Codayus`	`I wouldn't recommend ever trying to encode anything with an alpha channel, for example. ><`
`01:42.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`well, it's what a shitton of LCDs all over the world are now at :(`
`01:42.49`	`Cryect`	`yep`
`01:42.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`1440x900 is no better :\`
`01:43.08`	`Stanzilla`	`1920x1200 :(`
`01:43.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`yep Stanzilla`
`01:43.16`	`Primer`	`ok, youtube is converting it now`
`01:43.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's the next one that's "good" with mod16`
`01:43.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`:\`
`01:43.41`	`Stanzilla`	`that's the only thing that made me stop making wow movies`
`01:43.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`too bad I don't know how in the world people are getting good enough FPS in WoW w/ high details to be able to record video at the same time :D`
`01:43.50`	`Stanzilla`	`couldn't find a proper codec`
`01:44.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`...at 1920x1200 that is`
`01:44.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`and yet the bastard lcd manufacturs are taking away 1920x1200 and replacing it with 1920x1080`
`01:44.15`	`Cryect`	`plenty of codecs what made me stop was I've not updated my computer since right before TBC and it doesn't run WotLK so well`
`01:44.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: 16:9 for computer displays is so >_<`
`01:44.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`i know`
`01:44.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`was just agreeing :>`
`01:45.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`and they cant even try to claim 'but its even wider!' since its not because they are keeping the horizontal pixel count the same as an existing resolution but reducing the vertical pixel cont`
`01:45.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`count`
`01:46.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`they be stealing our screen estate`
`01:46.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`}:3`
`01:47.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, I'm considering just copying the raw video files over LAN to my dad's box because I built his with a quad-core :X`
`01:47.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`or I could limit x264 to 1 thread, I guess`
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`01:50.07`	`Primer`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEUgg0oKEo`
`01:50.10`	`Primer`	`and there it is`
`01:50.19`	`Primer`	`the corruption is present`
`01:50.56`	`Primer`	`no HD version encoded yet`
`01:52.31`	`Repo`	`10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw * r28 loc/Locals-enUS.lua: * Few locale updates.`
`01:53.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`Primer: was it like that before you uploaded it?`
`01:53.37`	`Primer`	`nope`
`01:54.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah dont encode with ffmpeg i guess`
`01:54.02`	`Primer`	`ok, so I'm in a raid now, dude just did a ready check...no icons`
`01:54.23`	`Primer`	`if I encode it with the x264 binary then use ffmpeg to mux the audio in, it's fine`
`01:54.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`why are you mux'ing in the audio?`
`01:54.42`	`Primer`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFCNwEOHfk <-- example of fine`
`01:54.53`	`Primer`	`err, because the x264 binary only does video?`
`01:54.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`what container are you using?`
`01:55.29`	`Primer`	`err`
`01:55.53`	`Primer`	`the command line is: x264 -i fraps.avi --crf=16 out.mp4`
`01:56.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`encode the audio to a seperate mp3 file then just create a mkv from the video and audio`
`01:57.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`yt doesn't eat MKVs, does it`
`01:57.18`	`Primer`	`that's effectively what I did`
`01:57.26`	`Primer`	`(and it's "separate")`
`01:57.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, he's already doing what you say: he does the video with the x264 cli, and muxes the audio in afterwards`
`01:57.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55744`
`01:58.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`well, regardless`
`01:58.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's just the container ^^`
`01:58.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`also Primer wtf :\ crf=16 seems like it's going to be total overkill for me :D`
`01:58.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`output basically looks like input... which is awesome, but the video file is insanely huge :D`
`02:00.33`	`Primer`	`well, it made my 2.5g file 140m`
`02:02.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`hehe`
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`02:02.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's making my 14.8gig file 980mb`
`02:02.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`:P`
`02:02.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`uploading that to anywhere would take me 14 hours`
`02:02.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`02:03.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`guess we'll have to do faster kills, then. :>`
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`02:04.33`	`Stanzilla`	`x264 [error]: invalid argument: min-keyint = blah.avi :(`
`02:05.30`	`Primer`	`well, I wanted to retain much of the quality`
`02:06.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`Stanzilla: syntax fail?`
`02:07.00`	`Stanzilla`	`did what Primer said, "x264 -i blah.avi --crf=16 out.mp4"`
`02:08.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`how do you get anything about min-keyint, then?`
`02:08.18`	`quiescens`	`should be closer to x264 -o out.mp4 blah.avi`
`02:08.19`	`Stanzilla`	`Gnarfoz: dunno :(`
`02:08.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`indeed quiescens`
`02:08.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`Stanzilla: http://paste.wowace.com/661/`
`02:08.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`you need to avisynth, quite probably :>`
`02:09.44`	`Stanzilla`	`thx`
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`02:12.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`Primer: crf=32 made 14.8GiB into 253MiB :D still quite watchabel due to it being high-res, but I'll probably try some other options`
`02:12.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`*watchable`
`02:12.47`	`Primer`	`upload`
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`02:13.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`nah, I've got 20KiB/s upload.`
`02:13.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`02:13.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's 3.5 hours :(`
`02:13.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`blame Deutsche Telekom :(`
`02:14.13`	`Primer`	`I have 2m up at home`
`02:14.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`:9`
`02:16.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm waiting for double-play vdsl offers to come around (ETA: "summer", fuck that). Since it's not my contract, I can't simply ignore prices :p`
`02:16.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`50/10 drool`
`02:17.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`still waiting for fios to be available here`
`02:18.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`optical is quite the jump, too bad nobody's going to invest into connecting single houses (hmmm... english fail :()`
`02:18.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably wont be able to get the 50/20 but the 20/20 isnt much more expensive than my current cable`
`02:19.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`20/20 would so be enough for me xD basically all ADSL offers here are severly "A".... 16/1 being the fastest usually`
`02:19.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm on 3/0.192`
`02:19.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`:X`
`02:19.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`Stanzilla: gimme vdsl :(`
`02:19.49`	`Stanzilla`	`u give me :(`
`02:19.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think my upload was increased to 512 from 384`
`02:20.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`or better yet, let's move to cologne, Stanzilla`
`02:20.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`100/100 FTTH :O`
`02:20.15`	`Stanzilla`	`:O`
`02:20.16`	`Stanzilla`	`want!`
`02:20.40`	`Stanzilla`	`well munich even has proper connections but I live too far away from it`
`02:21.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`saywhat... netcologne stopped offering the 100/100 :O`
`02:22.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, 192kbit/s is seriously wrong. :P`
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`02:38.11`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm is the search pattern '"([^"]*)"' equal to '"(.-)"' ?`
`02:39.07`	`Shefki`	`What's the new non-locale sensitive method for zone stuff?`
`02:43.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`there is one?`
`02:43.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`:>`
`02:46.19`	`Shefki`	`yeah someone was talking about some sort of id for zones now that's in the client.`
`02:48.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`wut`
`02:48.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`GetZoneId()? sounds utopian ;D`
`02:51.06`	`Shefki`	`Doesn't exist...`
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`02:57.14`	`Shefki`	`Xinhuan: Looks like the answer to that is no.`
`02:57.24`	`Shefki`	`Xinhuan: don't think .- matches 0 chars.`
`02:57.38`	`Shefki`	`[^"]* will`
`02:58.36`	`Shefki`	`nm .- does match 0 or mor`
`02:58.59`	`Shefki`	`They should match the same things but I'd bet that the [^"]* is more efficient.`
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`03:11.10`	`wildchild420`	`wazzup`
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`03:20.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shefki: of course it doesn't, that's why it sounds utopian ;p so what were you referring to? ;)`
`03:20.58`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout`
`03:21.03`	`Fisker-`	`it's 5am :(`
`03:21.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`yep.`
`03:21.22`	`Bruners`	`more like 5:21`
`03:21.40`	`Fisker-`	`i hate this`
`03:21.44`	`Fisker-`	`i'm tiiiiiiiiiired`
`03:22.21`	`Shefki`	`Gnarfoz: If I knew what it was I wouldn't be asking...`
`03:22.54`	`Stanzilla`	`Fisker-: go to bed then`
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`03:28.16`	`Repo`	`10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * bf455a3 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Large perf improvement: Bucket UNIT_HEALTH updates like we did in PB3`
`03:32.24`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Stanzilla around a bit with a large trout`
`03:32.31`	`Fisker-`	`are you threatening me master jedi?`
`03:32.36`	`Stanzilla`	`yes I do`
`03:32.39`	`Fisker-`	`oh`
`03:32.46`	`Fisker-`	`giev fix for curse client ;_;`
`03:33.01`	`Stanzilla`	`yes plx :(`
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`03:34.27`	`Bruners`	`fix for curse client?`
`03:36.14`	`Repo`	`10grid2: 03Azethoth * r169 / (13 files in 3 directories): --StatusPvP`
`03:36.17`	`Repo`	`--More exploration into the nature of the vehicle / pet malfunction`
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`03:40.17`	`Primer`	`huge earthquake`
`03:40.28`	`Fisker-`	`http://kotaku.com/5257925/meet-the-spy-quite-the-ladies-man?t=12879708#viewcomments <-lol'd`
`03:40.42`	`Primer`	`here in LA`
`03:40.46`	`Primer`	`shit's still shaking`
`03:41.33`	`Fisker-`	`that's what she said`
`03:42.21`	`Bruners`	`Primer: did anyone die?`
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`03:42.41`	`Primer`	`it was very powerful`
`03:42.50`	`Primer`	`I imagine shit fell`
`03:45.04`	`Bruners`	`hi2u tome of polymorph turtle`
`03:53.05`	`Primer`	`seems it was local`
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`04:14.02`	`Repo`	`Renamed GenerateClickAbleTT() to GenerateClickableTT() and wrote the initial code for it - set ARL_MiscAltBtn's OnClick script to show/generate or hide it depending on its current state. Enabled ARL_MiscAltBtn so I could test what I wrote. None of this will not work as intended (showing alts' tradeskills) using the current db setup, since it only knows about the currently logged-in character.`
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`04:30.17`	`Axodious`	`ckk you know about this failed download for pb4?`
`04:30.19`	`Axodious`	`on cc`
`04:30.38`	`Axodious`	`i manually reinstalled it last update, new one came out, still failing`
`04:30.59`	`Axodious`	`also Kaelten, i think theres a bug with CC,... sometimes when i'm downloading it seems to be unlocked speeds`
`04:31.16`	`Axodious`	`happend when i updated CC earlier and it just happend again`
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`04:55.08`	`digmouse`	`CC has been failed on downloading certain addons for around days`
`04:55.25`	`quiescens`	`you broke it ):`
`04:55.51`	`digmouse`	`I pawned CC's head with a large Betrayer of Humanity`
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`05:10.58`	`Shefki`	`~seen ckknight`
`05:11.00`	`purl`	`ckknight <n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 34m 45s ago, saying: 'http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv109/wtfmr/familyphotochokehold.jpg'.`
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`05:11.12`	`Shefki`	`Bahh where did he go.`
`05:12.07`	`quiescens`	`run awai`
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`05:22.31`	Maelos`	`Was the version check feature of bigwigs removed?`
`05:22.34`	Maelos`	`I dont see it anywhere`
`05:22.39`	`Repo`	`10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * d97733e Modules/PowerBar/PowerBar.lua: [+1 commit] Bucket PowerBar UNIT_ events too, they were in PB3.`
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`05:29.54`	`Shefki`	`There he is.`
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`05:44.44`	`Repo`	`10dr-damage: 03Detseuqer 071.6.2b-1 * r846 DrDamage.toc: Updated the TOC file in prep for releasing 1.6.2.`
`05:46.18`	`Repo`	`10dr-damage: 03Detseuqer 041.6.2_release * r847 :`
`05:46.33`	`Repo`	`Release 1.6.2. There's a bug in Warlock's Conflagration, but fixing it requires multiple file updates, so we'll just get it in the next release.`
`05:48.20`	`Repo`	`10dr-damage: 03Detseuqer * r848 DrDamage.toc: Updated the TOC file for 1.6.3.`
`05:48.57`	`digmouse`	`Shefki: I got some Unitframe updating issue, in a fierce combat like Kil'Jaeden, sometimes if I aoe the mirrors and turn back to KJ himself, the name and health display of the target need several seconds to change to the corresponding unit`
`05:49.40`	`Repo`	`10dr-damage: 03Detseuqer 071.6.3b-1 * r849 : Branching for 1.6.3 beta.`
`05:50.52`	`Repo`	`10dr-damage: 03Detseuqer 041.6.3b-1 * r850 : Tagging 1.6.3 beta 1.`
`05:58.38`	`Repo`	`10mill-help: 03chkid * r76 MillHelp.lua: koKR update (fix typo)`
`05:58.56`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: What version?`
`05:59.28`	`digmouse`	`Shefki: yesterday's`
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`05:59.47`	`digmouse`	`and multiple versions before have this issue too`
`05:59.52`	`Shefki`	`Probably fixed by the bucketing I did early... I'd suspect the whole game is actually lagging from the UNIT_HEALTH backlog.`
`06:00.25`	`digmouse`	`I did a KJ fight last night with yesterday's version, the issue maintains`
`06:00.44`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: Early as in the last couple hours.`
`06:00.47`	`Shefki`	`Earlier*`
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`06:01.08`	`digmouse`	`I'll try the newer one this week, perhaps need to wait till Saturday`
`06:01.16`	`Shefki`	`I BG'ed most of the day with PB4 tracking down performance issues. when people got focued the whole game would stutter.`
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`06:01.38`	`Shefki`	`Was caused by not bucketing stuff that needed bucketing.`
`06:02.29`	`Shefki`	`Actually I'm rewriting the bucketing I put in earlier which should be even more efficient.`
`06:02.29`	`digmouse`	`maybe there is a BT run tonight, I'll get to it and see the latest version`
`06:03.58`	`digmouse`	`the performance has been a lot better though`
`06:04.19`	`Shefki`	`It's getting there yeah.`
`06:05.49`	`digmouse`	`I get around 5fps increase after updating to the first performance optimizing version`
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`06:07.23`	`Shefki`	`It just takes a lot of time to track down this stuff.`
`06:07.44`	`Ackis`	`Shefki: download failed for pitbull 4`
`06:07.56`	`Shefki`	`Ackis: CC? If so it's a CC issue.`
`06:08.06`	`Ackis`	`aye CC`
`06:08.08`	`Shefki`	`Can't use it to update PB and a few other things do to a bug.`
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`06:08.18`	`Ackis`	`k`
`06:08.28`	`Shefki`	`due*`
`06:08.34`	`Ackis`	`wasn't concered, just pointing it out`
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`06:09.38`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: Until today performance was bad enough I wouldn't raid or BG with PB4. Now I'm pretty comfortable doign so.`
`06:10.02`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: In fact I prefer BG'ing with PB4 becuase it doesn't wig out when people join while you're in combat.`
`06:11.41`	`Ackis`	`it doesn't?`
`06:12.03`	`Shefki`	`Ackis: PB4 is very well behaved with respect to stuff happening in combat.`
`06:12.44`	`Shefki`	`There was an issue until the other night that if you joined a party it didn't update right becuase ckknight failed to write the RunOnLeaveCombat correctly. :P`
`06:12.51`	`Ackis`	`nice, i've jad issues with combat and party frames with it, thought it was the same usual issue... not sure if it was my idiocy though`
`06:12.51`	`Shefki`	`But that's fixed.`
`06:13.03`	`Shefki`	`Ackis: Nope probably ckknight's :)`
`06:13.28`	`Ackis`	`nah I had my party frames set to show when player pets show, so i had it all whacked and shit for a period of time`
`06:13.30`	`ckknight`	`I have prepared a statement:`
`06:13.31`	`ckknight`	`my bad`
`06:13.51`	`Shefki`	`We've jumped through some extra hoops to make it work right. Despite Blizzard's bugs.`
`06:14.31`	`Shefki`	`We're pre-building units in advance to be there when someone joins.`
`06:14.47`	`Shefki`	`Right now it knows about the raid size for BGs...`
`06:14.59`	`Shefki`	`Here soon I'm gonna make it know the proper raid size for PVE instances.`
`06:15.18`	`Ackis`	`I wasn't able to figure out how to configure the raid frames not that it matters :P`
`06:15.32`	`Shefki`	`Ackis: Groups`
`06:15.54`	`Shefki`	`Make a new group and under Unit group select Raid`
`06:15.54`	`Ackis`	`Shefki: ahh not in by default have to create it myself eh?`
`06:16.07`	`Shefki`	`Ackis: Right, most people don't even use our raid frames.`
`06:16.21`	`Ackis`	`nod good design decision IMO`
`06:16.35`	`Ackis`	`i'm still getting used to the new config setup`
`06:17.54`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1843 / (2 files in 1 directory):`
`06:17.57`	`Repo`	`In AckisRecipeList.lua: Added global table to db defaults, changed addon:TRADE_SKILL_SHOW() to use db.global rather than db.profile. In ARLFrame.lua: Changed GenerateClickableTT() to cycle through menus from Realm -> Name -> Profession, and added support for this in HandleTTClick()`
`06:19.35`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: We still need to add some more default layouts for some frames... If for no other reason to make it clearer how to configure.`
`06:20.18`	`Ackis`	`^`
`06:20.32`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: yea, I agree`
`06:20.35`	`Ackis`	`I didn't quite get the layout until ckknight gave me a quick explanation on how to disable agro`
`06:21.08`	`ckknight`	`I want to do in inline FA`
`06:21.11`	`ckknight`	`FAQ*`
`06:21.24`	`Shefki`	`Ackis: Honestly I think the new design is more intuitive. But people are used to the old design. So it's coloring their view.`
`06:21.35`	`Shefki`	`I know when I saw layouts in PB3 I was expecting it to behave like how PB4 does.`
`06:21.50`	`Ackis`	`Shefki: that's probably 99% true, that's my issue right now`
`06:21.54`	`Shefki`	`And in PB3 layout has a very different meaning.`
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`06:30.08`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1844 ARLFrame.lua: Removed some dead code.`
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`06:35.01`	`Elkano`	`Torhal, you're now messing with ARL, too? ^^`
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`06:40.06`	`Torhal`	`Elkano: Heh, yah`
`06:40.48`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: Testing the new guid bucketing for HealthBar now.`
`06:41.03`	`ckknight`	`k`
`06:41.20`	`Elkano`	`Torhal, somehow, ARL managed to break ElkFaction's QTip, maybe beacuase of scling its own tip`
`06:42.19`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: We really should make a generalized bucketing API for this.`
`06:42.31`	`ckknight`	`I'm not against it`
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`06:43.01`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: Then convert all modules that are doing UNIT_ whatever to using it.`
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`06:43.06`	`Torhal`	`Elkano: That shouldn't happen, since I'm not releasing the tooltip in ARL due to the recycling issues`
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`06:47.49`	`Elkano`	`Torhal, I know that it shouldn't, but it does :/`
`06:48.10`	`Elkano`	`maybe somehow the cells get the scaling and aren't reset?`
`06:48.25`	`Elkano`	`though that would be some sort of Blizzard problem I think`
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`06:51.30`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1845 ARLFrame.lua:`
`06:51.33`	`Repo`	`Changed ARL_MiscAltBtn to set clicktip's parent to itself, and wipe click_info and regenerate the menu if clicked while the menu is shown.`
`06:52.16`	`Shefki`	`Feels even smoother, since it avoids multiple iterations.`
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`07:03.30`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1846 ARLFrame.lua:`
`07:03.33`	`Repo`	`Added an OnHide script to ARL_MiscAltBtn to wipe click_info and hide the clicktip.`
`07:09.51`	`Repo`	`10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm * r46 / (2 files in 1 directory): Broker_ChannelWatch`
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`07:12.59`	`Repo`	`-fixes for offspec bidwar`
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`07:15.49`	`Repo`	`10broker-channelwatch: 03Morgalm 04v2.2 * r47 : Tagging as v2.2`
`07:16.22`	`Repo`	`10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm 04v3.83 * r62 : Tagging as v3.83`
`07:17.00`	`Repo`	`10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * 2d6f192 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Bucket guids for health and power updates which should improve`
`07:17.17`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: ^ should be even better now.`
`07:17.39`	`digmouse`	`Shefki: I'll give a try tonight :D`
`07:19.00`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: The original design iterated every frame looking for the unit for every UNIT_ event.`
`07:19.26`	`Shefki`	`The design before the current one iterated every frame for every unit unit id that had a UNIT_ event every 0.1 seconds`
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`07:19.42`	`digmouse`	`so that should be limiting the performance`
`07:19.59`	`Shefki`	`The current design iterates every frame once per update interval.`
`07:20.23`	`Shefki`	`s/unit unit/unique unit/`
`07:20.26`	`digmouse`	`the blizzard update interval?`
`07:20.34`	`Shefki`	`No 0.1 seconds.`
`07:20.49`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: Blizzard update interval is 0.3`
`07:21.14`	`Repo`	`10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm 04v3.9 * r92 : Tagging as v3.9`
`07:21.42`	`digmouse`	`I understand it, so the current design would be more accurate since it is not totally base on the UNIT_ event`
`07:21.52`	`digmouse`	`s/base/based/`
`07:22.09`	`Shefki`	`UNIT_ event does the following now:`
`07:22.22`	`Shefki`	`Just adds the GUID of the unit to a table of guids needing updating.`
`07:22.39`	`Shefki`	`Then every 0.1 second we iterate all frames looking for frames that have a guid in that table.`
`07:22.46`	`Shefki`	`If there is one it updates that frame.`
`07:22.51`	`digmouse`	`aha, nice design`
`07:22.54`	`Shefki`	`After we're done iterating we wipe the table.`
`07:23.22`	`Shefki`	`This merges muliple UNIT_ events that are triggered when a unit has multiple unit ids for frames.`
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`07:23.33`	`Shefki`	`E.g. someone in your group you have targeted or focused.`
`07:23.39`	`TF_Shinja`	`hi`
`07:23.58`	`Shefki`	`Such a person would be raidN, target, focus, etc...`
`07:24.06`	`digmouse`	`so, not totally based on UNIT_ events which may cause lagging and not totally literates upon interval which cause performance issues`
`07:24.12`	`Shefki`	`if they get hit a UNIT_HEALTH even gets triggered for each of those unit ids.`
`07:24.59`	`digmouse`	`only updates the frames on interval which are capable of the UNIT_ events?`
`07:25.08`	`digmouse`	`not do this on those who are not`
`07:25.12`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: This is only for normal frames.`
`07:25.19`	`Shefki`	`Wacky frames are still entirely updated on a timer.`
`07:25.30`	`digmouse`	`nice design`
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`07:25.41`	`TF_Shinja`	`( stupid question, what is a Wacky frame ? )`
`07:25.46`	`digmouse`	`does PB3 use this method too?`
`07:25.56`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: Similar but not entirely the same.`
`07:26.01`	`ckknight`	`TF_Shinja: frames that don't get events`
`07:26.05`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: Any frame which Blizzard doesn't generate events for us.`
`07:26.17`	`TF_Shinja`	`thanks`
`07:26.19`	`Shefki`	`E.G. focus, raid pets, target of target...`
`07:26.32`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: well, I set it up so that wacky frames that have a non-wacky counterpart are properly updated as said counterpart`
`07:26.43`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: Right, I realized that.`
`07:26.48`	`digmouse`	`so the wacky frames need to be literated on every interval since there is no events fired to track them`
`07:26.55`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: I just didn't want to muddle the waters by explaining that.`
`07:27.14`	`ckknight`	`k`
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`07:27.34`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: Yes, but we have optimized it so wacky frames that are showing something that will have an event for them don't actually do that and ride on the events.`
`07:27.41`	`Shefki`	`Say you have yourself focused.`
`07:27.43`	`TF_Shinja`	`oohh, many perf improvement for pb4 in changelog, it could explain my huge FPS loss yesterday in raid`
`07:27.53`	`Shefki`	`The focus frame won't be updated on a timer since we can use the player events.`
`07:28.09`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: We've been working on that stuff lately yes.`
`07:28.33`	`digmouse`	`they are doing perf improvements all these latest builds`
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`07:29.09`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: The basics of doing events for some frames and timers for others existed in PB3, the itermediary design with bucketed UNIT_ stuff existed in PB4.`
`07:29.17`	`Shefki`	`s/PB3/PB4/`
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`07:30.06`	`Shefki`	`What's new in PB4 is: Wakcy frames won't update on timers if we can get events for them, we're converting unit events into guids more now to collapse the events further (guids didn't exist when PB3 was written)`
`07:30.13`	`Shefki`	`Well they existed we just didn't have access to them.`
`07:31.25`	`digmouse`	`so the wacky frames are not updated at all till events related to them are fired? and whether they should be updated is decided by the corresponding guid`
`07:32.02`	`Shefki`	`digmouse: No they're updated on a timer unless we know we're going to get events for the guid they point to.`
`07:32.17`	`digmouse`	`ah`
`07:32.22`	`Shefki`	`e.g. whacky frame points to the same guid as a normal frame.`
`07:32.32`	`Shefki`	`Then when the normal frame gets update events the wacky frame gets them too.`
`07:33.00`	`digmouse`	`ye, like I focused a Tank and his guid is same as his in the normal raid frame?`
`07:33.28`	`Shefki`	`Yup`
`07:33.46`	`digmouse`	`so if his data changed on the raid frame, according to his guid, the focus gets updated too`
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`07:34.24`	`Shefki`	`Yes.`
`07:34.34`	`digmouse`	`nice design`
`07:34.37`	`TF_Shinja`	`humm, I've just updated pb4 and [2009/05/18 09:33:56-9026-x5]: PitBull4-r20090518071611\Modules\PowerBar\PowerBar.lua:132: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)`
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`07:35.52`	`Shefki`	`oops`
`07:36.01`	`digmouse`	`you broke it!`
`07:36.08`	`Shefki`	`What's weird is I just ran a BG and didn't see that.`
`07:37.03`	`Shefki`	`Fixed.`
`07:37.06`	`Repo`	`10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * bf762d0 Modules/PowerBar/PowerBar.lua: [+1 commit] Remove some code I meant to remove with the previous commit.`
`07:38.00`	`Shefki`	`It'll be on wowace in a few minutes...`
`07:38.40`	`TF_Shinja`	`since Feb, it should be the 3rd or 4th bugsack report I see in PB4 when using it.. so I won't blame anybody =)`
`07:40.40`	`TF_Shinja`	`no more updating of pb4 wia CC is more annoying`
`07:41.22`	`digmouse`	`nobody would be blamed if it is in alpha stage`
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`07:42.20`	`TF_Shinja`	`in alpha, pb4 is more "error free" than some release mode addon =)`
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`07:43.37`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: Hopefully that'll get fixed this week... Something on Curse's end.`
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`07:43.53`	`TF_Shinja`	`Shefki: do you think than you'ar far from a "beta" stage ?`
`07:44.11`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: I'd say very close.`
`07:44.23`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: The performance issues are the big hangup for me at this point.`
`07:44.48`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: I think ckknight would call it beta at this point already.`
`07:45.21`	`ckknight`	`every day, we close in`
`07:45.28`	`ckknight`	`never reaching our end`
`07:45.42`	`ckknight`	`our only hope is for rounding errors.`
`07:45.52`	`Shefki`	`But I really didn't want to see the forum posts about how bad the performance was in beta.`
`07:46.07`	`Shefki`	`We had a bunch of that already and putting it on curse would just be worse.`
`07:46.29`	`TF_Shinja`	`bad performance ?`
`07:47.04`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: Yeah, until recently it's a real drain on FPS in raids/BGs.`
`07:48.01`	`TF_Shinja`	`I raid with PB4 for nearly 3 months, even pb4 wasn't so optimized than now, there're some other addon that killed my FPS`
`07:48.47`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: You use PB4 for raid frames or just singletons (player, target, ...)`
`07:49.14`	`TF_Shinja`	`player / target / player pet and ToT`
`07:49.30`	`TF_Shinja`	`raid is via grid (like 99% of people ?)`
`07:49.46`	`sb\|work`	`yay, i'm 1%`
`07:49.50`	`TF_Shinja`	`;p`
`07:51.11`	`sb\|work`	`want to replace my ace2 addons, but i can't :o`
`07:51.12`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: Yeah you probably wouldn't see it as much.`
`07:51.16`	`sb\|work`	`Elkano, nevcairiel - do something :p`
`07:52.08`	`Shefki`	`sb\|work: I'm more worried about getting rid of Rock. :P`
`07:52.21`	`Elkano`	`I never got Rock :P`
`07:52.26`	`TF_Shinja`	`I've a list of addon that killed my FPS via memory leak in raid (like Overall Achivier which grown to 14/15 Mb from 2 then you have a timed based achiev in couple of second)`
`07:52.29`	`sb\|work`	`Shefki: which addon?`
`07:52.56`	`Shefki`	`sb\|work: I think all that's left now is FuBar once I switch to PB4 fulltime.`
`07:52.58`	`sb\|work`	`my ace2 "problems" are EBBs and Quartz :o`
`07:53.11`	`sb\|work`	`then get some LDB thingie ;)`
`07:53.16`	`Shefki`	`I'm not really fond of the LDB stuff.`
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`07:54.23`	`TF_Shinja`	`sb\|work: same here, but there're just working so good that recode them is somewhere a non-sense I think`
`07:54.51`	`sb\|work`	`i could switch from EBBs to SBF, but i dont know how much work that would be (configuration and stuff)`
`07:55.03`	`orionshock`	`sb\|work: it happens`
`07:55.22`	`sb\|work`	`orionshock: what? :p`
`07:55.59`	`orionshock`	`the need to move from one mod to another and spend the hours reconfiguring it`
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`07:56.15`	`sb\|work`	`hmm yup`
`07:56.45`	`sb\|work`	`but Elkano said something about EBBs-ace3 like 4 weeks ago :p`
`07:56.45`	`orionshock`	`i dont even see that part of an addon anymore.. Im a natural tinker'er :)`
`07:57.05`	`orionshock`	`tbh, is ace2 really that bad?`
`07:57.17`	`TF_Shinja`	`Shefki: the "large" improvement commited hours ago doesn't apply in my case ?`
`07:57.21`	`Kemayo`	`sb\|work: I tried out SimpleBuffBars earlier this evening. It was very minimal configuration.`
`07:58.03`	`orionshock`	`Kemayo: SBF i think is satrina's buff frames`
`07:58.08`	`sb\|work`	`yup`
`07:58.16`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: It'll still improve things, it just probably won't be as noticeable.`
`07:58.30`	`Kemayo`	`Bah.`
`07:59.44`	`TF_Shinja`	`Shefki: yesterday I had a huge FPS drop in raid (Hodir HM was a "Hell"), and I don't know which addon (If any) I must have a look and perhaps remove`
`08:00.07`	`sb\|work`	`hm azcastbar now with better aura support - maybe i should try again..`
`08:00.16`	`mitch0`	`yo. anyone fiddled with simulationcraft?`
`08:00.37`	`mitch0`	`is the ~6k DPS reported by it real or I misunderstand something?`
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`08:00.57`	`Repo`	`add initial timers for Collapsing Star and Living Constellation spawns`
`08:01.27`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: It's possible the changes I made today will help. But I have no idea what caused it.`
`08:01.35`	`TF_Shinja`	`mitch0: it's more realistic than average based spreadsheet, but it's not the truth =)`
`08:02.14`	`mitch0`	`but it seems kinda high`
`08:02.33`	`durcyn`	`it's theorycraft under ideal situations. it is inflated.`
`08:02.39`	`durcyn`	`ideal situations don't exist ;)`
`08:02.49`	`TF_Shinja`	`mitch0: there're 2 problems with "simulators"`
`08:03.07`	`mitch0`	`ok, but what is a "real" DPS over some recent fight for an average DPS class?`
`08:03.11`	`TF_Shinja`	`first: modeling abilities (like spreadsheet)`
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`08:03.28`	`durcyn`	`mitch0: depends on the fight`
`08:03.39`	`TF_Shinja`	`second: the "scenario" : when use ability 1 and so on....`
`08:03.46`	`mitch0`	`just give me an average :)`
`08:04.11`	`mitch0`	`some fight where not much "special" stuff goes on like extra damage boost (vael)`
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`08:04.18`	`TF_Shinja`	`in SimCraft, lately, Combat rogue had a ppor scenario, letting Mutilate and HAT far from it`
`08:04.58`	`mitch0`	`gah, meeting`
`08:04.59`	`mitch0`	`&`
`08:05.00`	`mitch0`	`[3~`
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`08:06.07`	`TF_Shinja`	`but none of simulator or spreadsheet model the target switching than often occurs in Ulduar =)`
`08:06.53`	`durcyn`	`mitch0: there's no such thing as an average fight anymore, tank'n'spank is dead`
`08:07.38`	`TF_Shinja`	`but SimCraft is a very interesting tool to see the Min Max Avg of spec`
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`08:09.01`	`TF_Shinja`	`the same player with the same scenario can just do +/- 700 DPS around "average" just because of RNG (Combat Rogue example)`
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`08:32.55`	`orionshock`	`ok im needing to replace xloot, any sugestions?`
`08:34.22`	`sb\|work`	`hm - what do you need? :o`
`08:34.26`	`sb\|work`	`features etc.`
`08:34.51`	`Kemayo`	`I like Butsu.`
`08:35.12`	`Kemayo`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7976-Butsu.html`
`08:35.30`	`orionshock`	`simplified frame, all in one view, color by quality, itemInfo is nice but not required`
`08:35.30`	`Elkano`	`if it's just another loot frame, maybe tekslot`
`08:35.31`	`sb\|work`	`butsu is only cosmetic stuff, no features at all, no idea what orionshock needs :)`
`08:36.07`	`Elkano`	`oh wait, that's just for rolling ^^`
`08:36.12`	`Kemayo`	`I think Butsu meets all the listed needs.`
`08:36.27`	`sb\|work`	`teksloot + master loot`
`08:36.29`	`sb\|work`	`works fine for me :p`
`08:36.47`	`sb\|work`	`+butsu`
`08:36.53`	`Elkano`	`I still use the normal loot frame, resized by FramesResized ^^`
`08:38.16`	`orionshock`	`reason being that i puged aq40 today as raid leader / ML , and xloot's ML stuff didn't kick in and was a serious pain in the ass`
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`08:44.51`	`sb\|work`	`orionshock: use master loot then - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9180-MasterLoot.html`
`08:45.09`	`sb\|work`	`and yes, item distribution by raid group is a pain :o`
`08:45.11`	`orionshock`	`ya that's what im using`
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`08:50.07`	`TF_Shinja`	`I really miss a upgraded Nshakedown ;s`
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`09:47.52`	`orionshock`	`if someone could clarify for me, the Author Reward points, if i've got 150 of em, that nets out to 1.50$?`
`09:48.07`	`orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:49.02`	`Grum`	`200 was $10 orso?`
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`09:50.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`09:50.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`although i dont think it can be redemed yet`
`09:53.09`	`Grum`	`Arrowmaster: which 'value for points' did you 'yes' to ? :D`
`09:53.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`200 is $10`
`09:54.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`@describe attorney-directory`
`09:54.05`	`Repo`	`Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/projects/attorney-directory/. Attorney Directory. Martindale.com helps corporate counsel and law firm lawyers connect with lawyers and firms. We are the destination for buyers of legal services. Anybody know where the World of Warcraft European...`
`09:54.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`.....`
`09:54.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`ckknight: you have a problem`
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`09:55.34`	`Grum`	`why is it a problem? just purge it :D`
`09:55.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`possible spam bot problem`
`09:56.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`actually im going to ip ban once i figure out what the ip belongs to`
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`11:06.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`is there a way to use TexCoords to mask somethign to a circle, so it fits in the portrait spots in the UI?`
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`11:09.44`	`orionshock`	`gut instinct says no`
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`11:15.04`	`Elkano`	`ammo, SmoothQuest is BetterQuest in good, isn't it? ;)`
`11:16.13`	`[Ammo]`	`euh?`
`11:16.51`	`[Ammo]`	`smoothquest only does the job done, more work sounds and some coloring + quest completion texts sink support`
`11:17.04`	`[Ammo]`	`it uses the blizzard stuff`
`11:17.14`	`Elkano`	`yeah, that's what I ment ^^`
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`11:30.47`	`Fisker-`	`this is my tired level \|------------------------------\|\|`
`11:32.02`	`iphigenia`	`what unit do you use for to measure tiredness?`
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`11:32.27`	`Dynami`	`LOL fags.`
`11:32.28`	`Dynami`	`k.`
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`11:33.13`	`Fisker-`	`dunno`
`11:33.32`	`Fisker-`	`but i've been up since 4:30AM which is 9 hours`
`11:33.53`	`Fisker-`	`also i haven't had the chance to get somethin to eat or drink :o`
`11:35.37`	`Repo`	`10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r284 / (2 files in 2 directories): -Bump version numbers to 1.4.3`
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`11:39.37`	`Repo`	`10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v1.4.3 * r285 : (Message trimmed by 2 lines)`
`11:39.40`	`Repo`	`Tagging as v1.4.3:`
`11:39.43`	`Repo`	`- Hook Skillet even if it is loaded after TradeskillInfo`
`11:39.46`	`Repo`	`- Use correct hooking method for Skillet GetExtraItemDetailText()`
`11:39.49`	`Repo`	`- Stop calling GetSellValue() from OnInitialize - it is too early`
`11:45.35`	`Repo`	`10malygosflamer: 03stolenlegacy * r31 MalygosFlamer.lua: Fixed Bugs:`
`11:45.50`	`Repo`	`- You are no longer notified you left the eye of eternity every time you change zone after having been inside the eye once.`
`11:45.54`	`Repo`	`- Fixed a random LUA error occurrence.`
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`11:47.00`	`Adirelle`	`Fisker-: does your tiredness decrease your capacity to troll ?`
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`11:50.27`	`TNSe`	`Adirelle, It doesnt, Fisker- is a natural born troller.`
`11:50.57`	`stolenlegacy`	`wonders whether Groktar still has that useful meat grinder.`
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`11:54.44`	`SunTsu`	`Fisker-: Just try not getting food, water or sleep for another 96 hours, I'm sure, the need will go away shortly after ;)`
`11:55.02`	`Repo`	`10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw * r29 TankMastery.lua: * icon unlock button fix.`
`11:56.05`	`stolenlegacy`	`urges Fisker- to follow SunTsu's advice.`
`11:56.53`	`Repo`	`10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw 04v0.71 * r30 : Tagging as v0.71 (Alpha Release)`
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`12:04.06`	`Fisker-`	`oh u SunTsu :3`
`12:04.11`	`Fisker-`	`yes Adirelle`
`12:04.38`	`Adirelle`	`that's a good thing then ^^`
`12:07.25`	`thul`	`~ugt`
`12:07.26`	`purl`	`i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
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`12:14.40`	`steev`	`wtf is up with dk dps t8/8.5`
`12:14.59`	`steev`	`shoulders and helm are the only items where i don't lose at least 15 attack power`
`12:18.46`	`Bruners`	`but you gain crit/arp dont you ?`
`12:22.42`	`Bruners`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=40550:40552:40554:40556:40557;46111:46113:46115:46116:46117;45340:45341:45342:45343:45344`
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`12:29.19`	`copystring`	`im fading my Tooltip with :FadeOut() and after that i can't make it appear anymore, what can that be? i used :Show() and :SetAlpha(1) and both didn't make it appear again`
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`12:35.00`	`p4aved`	`grumbles about pidgin`
`12:35.47`	Funkeh`	`Dotted, you never told me if my BM fix worked`
`12:35.51`	Funkeh`	`in 1.51`
`12:36.36`	`Dotted`	`it did thx`
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`12:43.55`	`haste`	`vhaarr: media-video/istanbul: Total: 45 packages (34 new, 11 upgrades), 57.84 MBytes to download`
`12:43.58`	`haste`	`vhaarr: D:`
`12:44.03`	`SunTsu`	`copystring: did you hide the tooltip's parent as well?`
`12:44.31`	`copystring`	`nope`
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`12:44.49`	`copystring`	`all i do is: tooltip:FadeOut()`
`12:44.51`	`SunTsu`	`copystring: then :Show() should do it`
`12:45.11`	`SunTsu`	`But I don't know much about tooltips, though`
`12:45.28`	`copystring`	`i thought the same, appearently it doesn't work though`
`12:45.41`	`steev`	`Bruners: is the middle 8.5 or 8?`
`12:48.03`	`Stanzilla`	`haste: is your git site down? :<`
`12:48.29`	`haste`	`seems like it`
`12:49.09`	`Adirelle`	`Xinhuan: ping ?`
`12:50.06`	`haste`	`Stanzilla: it's being worked on at least`
`12:50.12`	`Stanzilla`	`ok :)`
`12:50.51`	`sb\|work`	`meh, wtb 100mbit cable now...`
`12:51.19`	`Xinhuan`	`pong`
`12:52.32`	`Adirelle`	`is intended that routes sometimes change a aggregated route when you slightly update a point (e.g. when gathermate updates an existing point when you loot) ?`
`12:53.03`	`Wobin`	`I've noticed it doing so, yes`
`12:53.29`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`12:53.29`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03Xinhuan 07armory-import * Beta1.0-15-gc3b9b63 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Rename 2 functions names to be more intuitive. No longer tries to parse randomPropertiesId in Armory Import as a gem.`
`12:53.38`	`Xinhuan`	`when you harvest a node`
`12:53.48`	`Xinhuan`	`what gathermate (and cartographer) does is`
`12:53.54`	`steev`	`who the hell keeps throwing driftwood into the Dalaran Fountain`
`12:54.05`	`Xinhuan`	`it first 1) removes an existing node within 10 yard radius if one exists`
`12:54.08`	`Xinhuan`	`2) adds the new one`
`12:54.21`	`Xinhuan`	`so in Routes, we receive the NodeDelete event, and remove the node from the route`
`12:54.26`	`Xinhuan`	`then we receive the NodeAdd event`
`12:54.31`	`Xinhuan`	`and insert the new node in the route`
`12:54.49`	`Xinhuan`	`the behavior of deleting then reinserting can sometimes cause a route to change slightly`
`12:55.29`	`Adirelle`	`I sometimes see the "aggregated point" moves slightly to accomodate the new individual point location`
`12:56.04`	`Xinhuan`	`if you used the node collapsing thing`
`12:56.11`	`Adirelle`	`and sometimes it seems the new point is removed from the aggregated point and used a single point`
`12:56.25`	`Adirelle`	`effectively adding a new point to the route`
`12:56.32`	`Xinhuan`	`one "travel point" will be used to represent multiple herb points within a 60 yard (default) radius`
`12:56.46`	`Xinhuan`	`the travel point is just the centroid of all the points it represents`
`12:56.51`	`SunTsu`	`Xinhuan: Is there any way to incorporate nodes into a route that got added by database import?`
`12:57.01`	`Xinhuan`	`so on NodeDelete, the centroid can move`
`12:57.07`	`Xinhuan`	`because it will recalculate the new centroid`
`12:57.14`	`SunTsu`	`Xinhuan: except removing and makin a new route, that is`
`12:57.33`	`Xinhuan`	`you will have to make a new route`
`12:57.49`	`SunTsu`	`Xinhuan: Thought so, but wanted to be sure. Thanks`
`12:57.58`	`Xinhuan`	`when doing an import, we do not throw any NodeAdd or NodeDelete events`
`12:58.09`	`Xinhuan`	`or GatherMate_Sharing will be spamming the add/deletes across teh channels`
`12:58.23`	`Xinhuan`	`in addition to causing routes to "hang"`
`12:58.27`	`Xinhuan`	`on mass adding/deleting`
`12:59.29`	`Xinhuan`	`carbonite's "routes" feature is pretty nice - i mean, UI wise, it looks really slick`
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`13:05.03`	`SunTsu`	`copystring: does it work, when you do manual :hide() and :show() again?`
`13:05.15`	`copystring`	`nope`
`13:06.18`	`copystring`	`i think i have to do :SetPoint() after it faded but i think i do that already... investigating atm`
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`13:11.33`	`TF_Shinja`	`hi Xinhuan, the favorite option for gem in wowequip isn't yet implemented I guess`
`13:11.53`	`Xinhuan`	`it is`
`13:11.59`	`Xinhuan`	`it stores by socket color`
`13:12.19`	`Xinhuan`	`so if you added gem X to favourites for yellow sockets, it'll only appear on yellow socket favourites`
`13:12.21`	`Xinhuan`	`not all sockets`
`13:12.39`	`kadrahil`	`so thorim hard mode`
`13:12.40`	`kadrahil`	`sucks`
`13:12.59`	`kadrahil`	`we didn't have the dps for it last night though, we were lacking some core raiders`
`13:13.01`	`Repo`	`10libitembonus-2-0: 03jerry * r82 / (2 files in 2 directories):`
`13:13.04`	`Repo`	`Change pattern function generator to generate source code, to improve`
`13:13.07`	`Repo`	`runtime speed. Fixes the functions when ordered parameters are`
`13:13.09`	`Repo`	`used.`
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`13:15.26`	`TF_Shinja`	`Xinhuan: hhumm, and how to add a gem into favorite for a color ?`
`13:16.00`	`Xinhuan`	`depends on how you navigated to the gem`
`13:16.15`	`Xinhuan`	`if you right clicked on a yellow socket, then it would be yellow favourites`
`13:16.25`	`Xinhuan`	`if you chose yellow socket in the item's menu, it would be yellow too`
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`13:18.58`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03Xinhuan 07armory-import * Beta1.0-16-g2db0e92 ImportFrame.lua: [+1 commit] Fix parsing errors if invalid data is pasted into the import editbox.`
`13:19.19`	`TF_Shinja`	`ok, I've an empty red socket, I wanna add +16 ArPEn into and add it for favorite, I'm using the right clic on the socket`
`13:20.17`	`yoshimo`	`xinhuan, you mentioned wowequip in my topic about using rawr-exe's results ingame, did you already think about a possible interaction?`
`13:20.32`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`13:20.48`	`Xinhuan`	`i have no intention to replicate rawr`
`13:21.02`	`Xinhuan`	`rawr's optimizer already takes long enough to run`
`13:21.04`	`TF_Shinja`	`socket is now with a +16 ArPen but nothing new in Fav list ;s`
`13:21.09`	`Xinhuan`	`running it in a lua sandbox in wow would be worse`
`13:21.30`	`Grum`	`TF_Shinja: for which color socket did you add the favorite?`
`13:21.32`	`yoshimo`	`i was talking about importing the results ;)`
`13:21.56`	`kadrahil`	`is it me, or is thorim hard kind of like gruul 2.0?`
`13:21.58`	`Grum`	`it stored per color, so if you want that +16 ArPen to be 'favorite' for red/blue/yellow/added sockets you have to add it 4x`
`13:22.04`	`kadrahil`	`aka big dps check`
`13:22.12`	`Grum`	`yoshimo: it can already imported the xml files rawr saves`
`13:22.14`	`Grum`	`-d`
`13:22.15`	`Grum`	`-e`
`13:22.17`	`Grum`	`meh!`
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`13:22.21`	`kadrahil`	`l2spell?`
`13:22.25`	`TF_Shinja`	`Grum: I don't really know hos to add a gem into Fav ;s`
`13:22.33`	`Xinhuan`	`read teh tooltips TF_Shinja`
`13:22.41`	`Grum`	`TF_Shinja: hold CTRL I think`
`13:23.11`	`Xinhuan`	`every enchant/gem has a tooltip`
`13:23.15`	`Xinhuan`	`on the menus`
`13:23.40`	`TF_Shinja`	`I suspect something hidding me some extra line in tooltips`
`13:24.17`	`Grum`	`its not too obvious`
`13:24.22`	`Grum`	`but its there ;)`
`13:24.30`	`yoshimo`	`grum, i was looking for something like overachiever does when i mouse over a fishing school or player thats missing for an achievement. show a red line and ding . "Attention: this item/token is on your list of possible upgrades"`
`13:24.33`	`Grum`	`we should make some silly menu for it :)`
`13:24.54`	`Grum`	`meh use atlasloot for that yoshimo, it has a wanted list`
`13:25.03`	`Grum`	`you shouldnt put that stuff in wowequip, it serves no purpose`
`13:25.36`	`Grum`	`you could make a simple addon that takes a wowequip profile as a base for 'wanted list'`
`13:25.56`	`Grum`	`and if it spots such an item puts a tooltip-line on it`
`13:26.02`	`yoshimo`	`thats what i originally planned in the beginning. but the "you " should not mean " me" because i cant :)`
`13:26.06`	`TF_Shinja`	`Xinhuan: ok, a stupid addon hided extra line :s, sorry`
`13:26.14`	`Xinhuan`	`which addon`
`13:26.16`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`13:26.26`	`Grum`	`curious as well now :D`
`13:26.30`	`Repo`	`10moncaiqt: 03Moncai * r8 QuestHelper.lua: Fix localization bug`
`13:26.37`	`Grum`	`that addon must hook the addline and just break`
`13:26.47`	`Grum`	`pre-hook even :)`
`13:26.50`	`digmouse`	`Xinhuan: how much does the new WoWEquip depend on LibItemBonus`
`13:26.53`	`Grum`	`yoshimo: hmm yeah can be done i guess`
`13:26.53`	`digmouse`	`?`
`13:26.59`	`Grum`	`digmouse: 100% :p`
`13:26.59`	`Xinhuan`	`100% digmouse`
`13:27.01`	`TF_Shinja`	`disabled TipTac and it show now`
`13:27.08`	`copystring`	`SunTsu, it works now, i called GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor(tooltip, UIParent) after the fade and it works`
`13:27.12`	`Grum`	`TF_Shinja: i use tiptac as well, it works here`
`13:27.17`	`TF_Shinja`	`O_o`
`13:27.23`	`digmouse`	`so I need to updaete the locales of LibItemBonus too?`
`13:27.31`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`13:27.41`	`Grum`	`and StatLogic ;)`
`13:27.54`	`Xinhuan`	`you don't have to update statlogic`
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`13:28.06`	`digmouse`	`I dont work on StatLogic, someone else does :P`
`13:28.08`	`Xinhuan`	`statlogic is only used for derives calcs using the data tables`
`13:28.08`	`TF_Shinja`	`It's more easy with tooltip`
`13:28.15`	`Xinhuan`	`and doesn't require localization`
`13:28.45`	`digmouse`	`k, fortunately LibItemBonus is far less than WoWEquip itself`
`13:28.45`	`Xinhuan`	`i could choose not to use statlogic, and just copy out the datatables needed, but it would be about 500 lines of data`
`13:28.55`	`yoshimo`	`grum, the only thing that would be special in this case are settokens :)`
`13:29.07`	`Xinhuan`	`digmouse, for wowequip to work in chinese only the LGII[] namespace needs to be translated ;p`
`13:29.17`	`Grum`	`yoshimo: easily fixed though`
`13:29.24`	`Xinhuan`	`and libitembonus too`
`13:29.27`	`digmouse`	`I prefer a complete work _P`
`13:29.31`	`digmouse`	`:P`
`13:29.45`	`Xinhuan`	`the rest are just strings displayed in the menus`
`13:29.46`	`Grum`	`yoshimo: i might be tempted to do so .... but not now hehe`
`13:29.48`	`Xinhuan`	`a few thousand of them`
`13:29.50`	`Grum`	`got another addon to make! ><`
`13:30.05`	`digmouse`	`around 1200`
`13:30.08`	`yoshimo`	`another possible source of rewardpoints :P`
`13:30.17`	`Grum`	`that i dont care as much for tbh`
`13:30.17`	`digmouse`	`plus around 300 of LibIB`
`13:30.21`	`Grum`	`its nice but oh well :)`
`13:30.44`	`Grum`	`i usually code addons because i'm lazy ;D`
`13:34.01`	`TF_Shinja`	`wowequip doesn't like "ninja inspecting" (no target) while using examiner, the 'W' button doesn't work without target`
`13:34.15`	`kadrahil`	`wait`
`13:34.23`	`Xinhuan`	`TF_Shinja, tell grum about that one`
`13:34.26`	`kadrahil`	`wowequip was resurrected?`
`13:34.26`	`Grum`	`oh`
`13:34.31`	`TF_Shinja`	`yes`
`13:34.32`	`Grum`	`i can make that one smarter TF_Shinja`
`13:34.34`	`kadrahil`	`;_;`
`13:34.38`	`Xinhuan`	`he added the WoWequip button to examiner`
`13:34.38`	`Grum`	`i'll fix that later :)`
`13:35.02`	`kadrahil`	`Xinhuan: how close is it to an ingame rawr now? ;)`
`13:35.04`	`Grum`	`the thing is, examiner replaces the default inspect frame`
`13:35.11`	`TF_Shinja`	`yep`
`13:35.16`	`Xinhuan`	`not very close, because the intention was never to`
`13:35.17`	`Grum`	`and i wanted my button there`
`13:35.20`	`Xinhuan`	`make an ingame rawr`
`13:35.23`	`kadrahil`	`Xinhuan: oh, well that's true`
`13:35.41`	`Repo`	`10smooth-quest: 03Ammo * r73 SmoothQuest.lua: add tags to chat links`
`13:35.44`	`Xinhuan`	`we are adding the ability to import a rawr saved XML file though`
`13:35.45`	`Grum`	`TF_Shinja: i just realized from what you said i can do it smarter but reading the profile Examiner has stored for that person`
`13:35.52`	`Grum`	`and armory xml!`
`13:35.55`	`kadrahil`	`the raid leaders were complaining about a few raiders dps last night`
`13:35.56`	`Grum`	`maybe i can do chardev as well`
`13:36.16`	`Xinhuan`	`grum itemid querying`
`13:36.19`	`kadrahil`	`i was tempted to have them look at my gear then compare it with the rest of the melee and THEN ask themselves why i was almsot 1k dps behind`
`13:36.21`	`Xinhuan`	`should i just allow one ID`
`13:36.28`	`Xinhuan`	`or a passive background scan lol`
`13:36.42`	`Grum`	`make the background scan a module orso`
`13:36.53`	`Grum`	`single id is good enough for normal purposes`
`13:37.02`	`Xinhuan`	`don't really want a background scan`
`13:37.06`	`Xinhuan`	`anymore i think`
`13:37.23`	`Grum`	`make it a seperate addon`
`13:37.45`	`kadrahil`	`the freaking haste debuff on thorim`
`13:37.48`	`kadrahil`	`sucks`
`13:38.01`	`Grum`	`Xinhuan: i still got some ideas for that`
`13:38.08`	`TF_Shinja`	`Grum: I've a strange "bug" with examiner, gems aren't show in the first "ninja inspection", I've to press the key one more time, perhaps du to range problem, have you the same behavior ?`
`13:38.13`	`Grum`	`for something which could actually use that scanner`
`13:38.20`	`Grum`	`yeah seen that before`
`13:38.21`	`Xinhuan`	`TF_Shinja, its a wow issue`
`13:38.31`	`Grum`	`and its a distance issue`
`13:38.32`	`Xinhuan`	`wowequip has the same problem when copying player's gear`
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`13:38.51`	`Grum`	`well, a wow-api issue which has the roots in the distance you can get inspects from :)`
`13:39.04`	`Grum`	`the client itself only loads the gear-models`
`13:39.09`	`Grum`	`and enchants i think`
`13:39.16`	`Grum`	`until you get close enough ;)`
`13:39.17`	`Xinhuan`	`a wow issue makes it return only the unsocketted version of items sometimes`
`13:39.27`	`Grum`	`anyhow, i'll fix the Examiner thing somewhere this week`
`13:39.35`	`Grum`	`so you can export a cached player as well`
`13:40.18`	`Grum`	`what i love most atm is that i can just take a snapshot of a retridin which raids with us`
`13:40.28`	`Grum`	`then copy/paste an applicants armory page and compare =D`
`13:40.58`	`Grum`	`Xinhuan: could possibly add a warning for it`
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`13:41.46`	`Grum`	`0/X sockets and X > 3 rather 'not to be expected'`
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`13:42.08`	`TF_Shinja`	`I used wowequip to gkick a eBayer who applyed in my previous guild =)`
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`13:43.52`	`Adirelle`	`Xinhuan: wowequip project page lists both libitembonuses and libstatlogic as dependencies`
`13:44.00`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`13:44.03`	`Xinhuan`	`that is correct`
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`13:44.30`	`Xinhuan`	`libstatlogic contains conversion tables such as GetCritPerAgi(agi, class, level)`
`13:44.41`	`Xinhuan`	`for all levels between 1-100`
`13:44.50`	`Xinhuan`	`obviously its like a 10x100 table`
`13:44.56`	`Xinhuan`	`of numbers`
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`14:07.09`	`Stanzilla`	`For the upcoming new Firefox 3.5 (Shiretoko), Mozilla is planning an important final update: the venerable Firefox icon.`
`14:07.11`	`Stanzilla`	`uhhh`
`14:07.20`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r5633 Ulduar/XT-002.lua: deDE update`
`14:07.43`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`14:07.47`	Funkeh`	`I already changed that`
`14:07.56`	`sb\|work`	`uhm, there was some kologarn discussion here some days ago, how to get the "kill arms in x seconds" achievement in 10man raid? :o`
`14:08.36`	`Wobin`	`pewpewmore?`
`14:08.56`	`sb\|work`	`nah... there is something special`
`14:09.06`	`sb\|work`	`we killed both arms within ~1s and didnt get the achievement`
`14:09.06`	`nevcairiel`	`just get both to 10% then pewpewmore?`
`14:09.11`	`Wobin`	`pewpewmore while singing pop goes the weasal?`
`14:09.19`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno, we got it`
`14:09.48`	`sb\|work`	`maybe it didnt work because the second time we only killed the right arm and them kologarn..`
`14:10.04`	`sb\|work`	`first was left+right within 1-2seconds - then 1 more right and boss..`
`14:10.18`	`Stanzilla`	`the timer is broken`
`14:10.26`	`Stanzilla`	`if you do it too fast you dont get the achievment`
`14:10.30`	`Stanzilla`	`we had that few times -.-`
`14:10.32`	`sb\|work`	`what?`
`14:10.57`	`sb\|work`	`so you have to wait 5s between first and second arm kill? wtf :o`
`14:11.13`	`Stanzilla`	`dunno, it just bugs sometimes :(`
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`14:11.43`	`sb\|work`	`mh okay`
`14:15.16`	`Grum`	`Xinhuan: doesn't appear to be a nice way to import chardev`
`14:15.22`	`Stanzilla`	`http://mozillalinks.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/firefox-logos.png`
`14:15.26`	`Stanzilla`	`awesome.. >.<`
`14:15.31`	`Xinhuan`	`(i dont' know what chardev is) :)`
`14:15.32`	`Grum`	`sb\|work: you kill the 2 arms AND kologarn has to die`
`14:15.41`	`Grum`	`Xinhuan: CTprofile like site`
`14:15.53`	`Xinhuan`	`if i've never heard of it, it probably sucks`
`14:16.02`	`Grum`	`its quite good actually :)`
`14:16.19`	`Grum`	`well for its purpose, to toy about with gear outside of the game`
`14:16.23`	`Xinhuan`	`not good enough to be well known or linked to`
`14:16.38`	`sb\|work`	`Grum: uhm arms + kologarn within 10s?`
`14:16.43`	`Grum`	`yes`
`14:16.46`	`sb\|work`	`okay`
`14:16.48`	`Grum`	`which is really easy`
`14:16.55`	`Grum`	`each arm's death takes off 15% hp`
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`14:17.05`	`sb\|work`	`someone told it doesnt work if you kill him by killing 1 arm :o`
`14:17.15`	`sb\|work`	`to boss hp > 30% or it doesnt work`
`14:17.20`	`sb\|work`	`to=so`
`14:17.34`	`Grum`	`so from the start: kill right arm, kill adds, dps left arm until right arm is up, kill right arm, dps adds`
`14:17.39`	`Xinhuan`	`to get in 10man, do kill right, left, then body`
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`14:17.50`	`Xinhuan`	`to get in 25man, do kill right, left (left dying causes body to die)`
`14:17.53`	`Grum`	`he's at ~65-70% now with the left arm ~50% down`
`14:18.49`	`sb\|work`	`i think DPS boss till 40%, then kill both arms together would be easier in 10man :p`
`14:19.14`	`Grum`	`dps his body until the arm is up, dps the right arm till it dies, dps the body until its below 30%, kill the left right arm one last time, ignore the adds, heroism and nuke the left arm ... win!`
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`14:19.20`	`Grum`	`sb\|work: no?`
`14:19.27`	`Grum`	`you have to dps right`
`14:19.30`	`Grum`	`else people die`
`14:19.35`	`sb\|work`	`hmright`
`14:19.54`	`Grum`	`just make sure you dont dps left below 50% in the start of the fight`
`14:20.03`	`Grum`	`it will drop to 10-20% orso due to aoe dmg`
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`14:20.40`	`p4aved`	`we just have the hunters knockt he left arm to like 20%, dps right as it pops, normally kill 3, wen the 3rd dies kolo is under 15% and we take down left arm`
`14:20.43`	`Grum`	`did it on heroic and normal, both was easy`
`14:20.55`	`sb\|work`	`hero was easy :P`
`14:20.57`	`sb\|work`	`normal didnt work ;)`
`14:21.09`	`Grum`	`its a 'target the right mob' for dummies`
`14:21.20`	`Grum`	`you know what is hard? mimiron on hardmode!`
`14:21.23`	`Grum`	`fuckinhell :D`
`14:21.24`	`sb\|work`	`:p`
`14:21.35`	`Grum`	`1% wipe .... in phase1 o.O`
`14:21.43`	`sb\|work`	`hmmm :o`
`14:21.57`	`Grum`	`and that was the best we did until we got bored and just oneshotted him regular mode`
`14:22.12`	`sb\|work`	`mh, bbl, going home`
`14:22.19`	`Grum`	`freya+3 (10m) is also horrific`
`14:22.34`	`sb\|work`	`thorim was fun yesterday`
`14:22.43`	`Grum`	`thorim only has a challenge in the arena`
`14:23.02`	`Grum`	`'dont have bad luck and have someone stunned+oneshotted'`
`14:23.55`	`Grum`	`but mimiron is a whole diff story, that is mimiron with hp/dmg ... combined with Archimonde o.O`
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`14:38.37`	`digmouse`	`only 2 guild done Mimiron HM IIRC`
`14:39.04`	`robotusch`	`yeah, Ensidia and Stars from Taiwan or PRChina depending on who you ask :/`
`14:40.29`	`digmouse`	`I prefer PRChina cuz they are from CN1-Anvilmar(<- correct spelling?)`
`14:41.05`	`robotusch`	`No idea :D`
`14:41.31`	`robotusch`	`I think they're the ones that cleared Black Temple with weeks of TBC going live in China as well`
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`14:41.50`	`robotusch`	`As well doing a Hakkar kill with all his high priests still up`
`14:42.11`	`nevcairiel`	`not like its hard to kill a boss that thousands of players have been theorycrafting about for half a year`
`14:42.11`	`digmouse`	`correct`
`14:42.20`	`robotusch`	`still`
`14:42.38`	`robotusch`	`only a handful of resets to get geared`
`14:42.43`	`Repo`	`New poll: http://www.wowace.com/polls/are-you-going-to-blizzcon-this-year/`
`14:42.44`	`digmouse`	`yep, and there was rumors that their Archimode CN First Kill uses bugs`
`14:42.58`	`digmouse`	`but anyway they did good on Mimiron`
`14:43.13`	`robotusch`	`I lol'd at the mage having shed loads of hast pots though`
`14:43.28`	`robotusch`	`oh, it wasn't them doing a hakkar vid with high priests up`
`14:43.32`	`robotusch`	`'twas The Seven`
`14:43.52`	`digmouse`	`I dont remember but I think it was from then The7 rises`
`14:43.59`	`Venara`	`Is there an addon that automatically links my tradeskill when a keyword is received via whisper? Like when someone whispers "can u link enchanting?" it will link my enchanting=`
`14:44.29`	`nevcairiel`	`you know that most people are too dumb to spell enchanting correctly, and it would never work? :D`
`14:44.37`	`robotusch`	`:P`
`14:45.01`	`Venara`	`hehe, yeah :D but if you added certain other keywords it just might work`
`14:45.19`	`EthanCentaurai`	`@project CraftyGnome`
`14:45.20`	`Repo`	`EthanCentaurai: http://www.wowace.com/projects/craftygnome/. CraftyGnome. Game: WoW. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Updated: 33 days ago`
`14:45.48`	`digmouse`	`no actually they never spell enchanting`
`14:46.29`	`thul`	`there are such keywords Venara`
`14:46.34`	`Venara`	`EthanCentaurai: Thanks, i'll try it.`
`14:46.41`	`thul`	`ah, EthanCentaurai beat me`
`14:46.55`	`EthanCentaurai`	`:D`
`14:47.26`	`thul`	`anyway, anyone know of an addon that has a hud with marks on the energy bar for rogues? like "hemo goes here"`
`14:47.33`	`Repo`	`10memento-mori: 03tomsommer * r37 MementoMori.lua: MementoMori:`
`14:47.36`	`Repo`	`- Take a screenshot when you gain an achievement`
`14:48.06`	`EthanCentaurai`	`. o O { Finding Hemo? }`
`14:48.11`	`Venara`	`lol ^^`
`14:48.26`	`thul`	`EthanCentaurai:P`
`14:48.53`	`thul`	`well, like, if I have 110 energy on a full bar, I need 30 energy for hemo, 40 for evisc (or whatever i need), I would love to have small indents on my energy bar`
`14:49.02`	`Repo`	`10memento-mori: 03tomsommer * r38 MementoMori.toc: MementoMori:`
`14:49.05`	`Repo`	`- Fix TOC version`
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`14:53.00`	`thul`	`am I not making sense, or am I asking stupid questions? :-P`
`14:53.10`	`nevcairiel`	`you're being ignored`
`14:53.25`	`thul`	`ah, ok, I'll stfu then.`
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`14:59.34`	`Repo`	`New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/randomguy/. RandomGuy. stolenlegacy (Manager/Author). Approved by Kaelten.`
`14:59.41`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03StingerSoft * r5634 / (2 files in 2 directories): BigWigs: ruRU update`
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`15:08.12`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03AesirRising * r1847 / (3 files in 2 directories):`
`15:08.15`	`Repo`	`Fixes several typos appearing within in-game documentation and UI elements. Fixes control slider stepping for Font Size UI widget. See ticket 572 for details.`
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`15:13.42`	`Repo`	`Automated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system`
`15:15.21`	`Ackis`	`is about to be spammed /cheer`
`15:16.01`	`quiescens`	`/cheer`
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`15:19.07`	`Ackis`	`any chatter users here?`
`15:19.33`	`EthanCentaurai`	`raises his hand`
`15:19.51`	`Ackis`	`my chat tab things where I can lock/unlock my chat windows are gone`
`15:20.26`	`EthanCentaurai`	`disable the ChatTabs module`
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`15:20.45`	`Ackis`	`require reload?`
`15:20.50`	`EthanCentaurai`	`no`
`15:20.59`	`Ackis`	`k then something else is whacked`
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`15:21.58`	`EthanCentaurai`	`disable Lock Chat option in-game?`
`15:22.40`	`Ackis`	`bah maybe that's it`
`15:23.01`	`Ackis`	`wow i'm retarded`
`15:23.13`	`EthanCentaurai`	`hugs Ackis`
`15:23.58`	`Ackis`	`no idea how that got set`
`15:24.00`	`Ackis`	`but man`
`15:24.08`	`Ackis`	`i've been banging my head against the wall for a whiel`
`15:24.14`	`Torhal`	`Ackis: Payback from the GF?`
`15:24.25`	`Ackis`	`nah`
`15:24.30`	`Ackis`	`she doesn't touch my stuff`
`15:25.10`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout`
`15:25.19`	`kadrahil`	`reported`
`15:25.20`	`Fisker-`	`slap'd`
`15:26.54`	`dodga`	`hehehe she doesn't touch his stuff`
`15:27.05`	`dodga`	`As Quagmire would say "That one was sexual too!"`
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`15:28.29`	`Ackis`	`@project reflux`
`15:28.31`	`Repo`	`Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/projects/reflux/. Reflux. Game: WoW. kagaro (Manager/Author). Updated: 10 days ago`
`15:31.17`	`Repo`	`10reflux: 03Ackis * r32 Reflux.lua: Fix typo`
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`15:37.59`	`Xinhuan`	`!api setautofocus`
`15:37.59`	`lua_bot`	`EditBox:SetAutoFocus: Sets whether or not the edit box will automatically acquire cursor focus (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/SetAutoFocus)`
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`15:44.58`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1848 / (3 files in 2 directories):`
`15:45.01`	`Repo`	`Add a tooltip for the alt tradeskill stuff, change the text so it isn't grey.`
`15:46.40`	`digmouse`	`thul: try Powerbar`
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`15:51.12`	`thul`	`digmouse: thanks for the tip!`
`15:54.19`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1849 ARLFrame.lua:`
`15:54.23`	`Repo`	`When you click on an alt tooltip, the alts tradeskill is now printed to chat.`
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`15:57.16`	`Repo`	`10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r336 / (3 files in 2 directories):`
`15:57.19`	`Repo`	`tweak the event id stuff so we can id non chat events if we whitelist them. make module enable/disable work when modules are set to "dont load"`
`16:00.01`	`EthanCentaurai`	`is it me or is Repo struggling to keep up with ARL?`
`16:00.37`	`durcyn`	`arl just needs to be deleted imo`
`16:00.42`	`nevcairiel`	`i agree`
`16:00.45`	`nevcairiel`	`we should take a vote`
`16:01.56`	`sylvanaar`	`what like "vote it off the island"`
`16:02.08`	`nevcairiel`	`vote it off the face of the earth, imho`
`16:02.58`	`EthanCentaurai`	`where's Simon Cowell when you need him :P`
`16:03.16`	`Ackis`	`you're just jealouos nev`
`16:03.30`	`Venara`	`Ackis should do a while night of ARL tweaking. that'll bring him closer to having as much revisions as bigwigs :p`
`16:03.35`	`Venara`	`*whole`
`16:03.50`	`sylvanaar`	`wow you do have alot`
`16:04.23`	`sylvanaar`	`look at grid with 1200`
`16:04.23`	`durcyn`	`well`
`16:04.32`	`sylvanaar`	`and its not even maintained is it?`
`16:04.33`	`durcyn`	`the number's double what it should be due to drycode + fix commits being paired up`
`16:04.37`	`Ackis`	`half of them are typo fixes`
`16:04.37`	`durcyn`	`grid is maintained`
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`16:05.49`	`sylvanaar`	`wonder why i thought it wasnt - maybe its the lack of pasta in irc`
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`16:07.31`	`sylvanaar`	`!api print`
`16:07.32`	`lua_bot`	`Documentation for 'print' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-print`
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`16:09.16`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03yoshimo * r5635 Ulduar (2 files in 1 directory): fixed spelling & added deDE for Algalon`
`16:11.02`	`SunTsu`	`BigWigs and ARL are the only addons that alway has a newer commit immediately after I updated them`
`16:11.10`	`SunTsu`	`s/has/have/`
`16:11.17`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03grum 07armory-import * Beta1.0-17-ga21a51a BonusFrame.lua: [+1 commit] Prevent 'Death Kni...' clipping.`
`16:11.30`	`Repo`	`10big-wigs: 03durcyn * r5636 Ulduar/Algalon.lua: Apparently the word 'constellation' is hard to spell`
`16:11.45`	`durcyn`	`SunTsu: pow!`
`16:12.08`	`SunTsu`	`you really can't keep up with them`
`16:13.25`	`yoshimo`	`it doesn't make sense to download each alpha only because a locale that you dont have,got changed`
`16:13.37`	`SunTsu`	`yoshimo: don't say!`
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`16:15.13`	`yoshimo`	`mhmm if i see your isp.-hostname, it could be different ;)`
`16:15.51`	`SunTsu`	`yoshimo: you fail at flaming`
`16:16.19`	`yoshimo`	`i didnt want to`
`16:16.30`	`Xinhuan`	`!api oneditfocuslost`
`16:16.31`	`lua_bot`	`OnEditFocusLost: Fires for an EditBox when it loses keyboard focus. Available for EditBox (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnEditFocusLost)`
`16:17.03`	`Xinhuan`	`!api highlighttext`
`16:17.03`	`lua_bot`	`Found 3 possible results for 'highlighttext': Button:SetHighlightTexture, EditBox:HighlightText, Button:GetHighlightTexture`
`16:17.06`	`yoshimo`	`.ham-01.de.sixxs.net could translate to the city of hamburg in germany, thats all i want to say ;)`
`16:17.32`	`SunTsu`	`yoshimo: It's a IPv6 tunnel broker in Hamburg, yes`
`16:18.18`	`yoshimo`	`therefore i could assume that youre german as well and then my change affects you`
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`16:19.06`	`SunTsu`	`yoshimo: I frankly don't care about localization, but still, everytime I decide to update my RSS feed reader tells me there is a new commit g`
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`16:27.17`	`durcyn`	`Ackis: have you heard anything about the stupid mountain dew pet requiring your email to be associated with a battle.net account, or are they just sending out redemption codes that only work on US servers?`
`16:27.21`	`yoshimo`	`thats normal, when you have a bossmod and there is fresh content suntsu`
`16:27.42`	`sb\|work`	`durcyn: i think its US only`
`16:27.49`	`sb\|work`	`:/`
`16:28.15`	`durcyn`	`sb\|work: i know, but there's some ambiguity over whether the email you sign up with has to be associated with an account or not`
`16:28.41`	`SunTsu`	`yoshimo: Yeah, I know, it still is quite funny`
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`16:30.54`	`Ackis`	`durcyn: no clue, I just do the points each day, I'm canadian but used a US address`
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`16:36.59`	`durcyn`	`Ackis: then what good are you!`
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`16:39.06`	`kadrahil`	`durcyn: have you done thorim hardmode yet?`
`16:39.39`	`kadrahil`	`was wondering about positioning`
`16:39.41`	`Ackis`	`no good`
`16:39.44`	`Ackis`	`I should kill myself`
`16:39.45`	`Ackis`	`right nevcairiel?`
`16:40.08`	`kadrahil`	`we're having our ranged spread out in groups of 2 around the room`
`16:40.23`	`kadrahil`	`and melee are grouping in triangle positioning around thorim`
`16:40.30`	`nevcairiel`	`Ackis: agreed`
`16:40.33`	`kadrahil`	`in groups of 3 across from the tank`
`16:40.35`	`durcyn`	`kadrahil: yeah, on both modes`
`16:40.55`	`durcyn`	`kadrahil: 10-man you can just wing it and spread out, on 25- you need about 5 groups of 3 people so you don't spread chain lightning`
`16:40.55`	`kadrahil`	`i just saw a video where the ranged were all stacked together and the melee were too`
`16:41.04`	`kadrahil`	`durcyn: gotcha`
`16:41.11`	`kadrahil`	`durcyn: does chain lightning not have a limit to how many targets it hits?`
`16:41.31`	`durcyn`	`doesn't matter, the 5th person or so is dead no matter what you do`
`16:41.34`	`Ackis`	`nevcairiel: slow or fast?`
`16:41.48`	`nevcairiel`	`on second thought, let Fisker- do it`
`16:41.52`	`kadrahil`	`durcyn: is that supposed to make it more of a dps check then?`
`16:42.31`	`durcyn`	`kadrahil: no, the dps check part is 'can you kill it before it gibs your tank'`
`16:42.47`	`durcyn`	`it's a movement fight, stay out of blizzard while you dodge lightning`
`16:42.49`	`kadrahil`	`durcyn: yeah i know, but if the chain lightning gibs someone every time it's cast too`
`16:43.03`	`durcyn`	`no, you can't let it hit more than 3 people`
`16:43.07`	`kadrahil`	`ah, gotcha`
`16:43.19`	`kadrahil`	`we had him to 26% on our best attempt last night`
`16:43.25`	`kadrahil`	`we were lacking some of our core dps`
`16:43.32`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03grum 07armory-import * Beta1.0-19-g6b126b9 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]`
`16:43.35`	`Repo`	`6b126b9: Increase size of level inputbox and put text-restrictions on the class button back (properly sized)`
`16:43.38`	`Repo`	`e65d3e8: Fix failing grammar in description.`
`16:43.39`	`kadrahil`	`after that we only got him to 8 stacks of lightning charge at 50%`
`16:43.53`	`kadrahil`	`every video i've seen says you pretty much have to have him at 50% by 5 stacks :(`
`16:44.11`	`durcyn`	`you have to start spamming cooldowns around 10 stacks, yeah`
`16:44.21`	`Grum`	`25m thorim hardmode?`
`16:44.25`	`kadrahil`	`how far in are you lusting?`
`16:44.25`	`kadrahil`	`yeah`
`16:44.52`	`kadrahil`	`if we get our core dps back in we'll have it down tonight`
`16:45.04`	`Grum`	`on 10m you kill it with ~8-9 stacks up orso`
`16:45.13`	`Grum`	`havent attempted it on 25m seriously enough`
`16:45.15`	`kadrahil`	`everyone knows the fight well enough now after 6 hours of wipes last night`
`16:45.28`	`Grum`	`lol how long do you raid? ;)`
`16:45.28`	`kadrahil`	`i think i spent 300g on repairs`
`16:45.39`	`kadrahil`	`sunday nights 6-12, then tues/wed/thurs from 8-12`
`16:45.54`	`kadrahil`	`but we're adding in monday this week so we can get thorim hard down and clear general and yogg after`
`16:46.27`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1850 ARLFrame.lua:`
`16:46.30`	`Repo`	`In GenerateClickableTT(): Added counter for number of characters. If above 10, switch to showing a Realm selector then Character selector. Otherwise, show "Character - Realm". Removed all references to click_info.prof, as it is no longer needed. Changed behavior of Profession clicktip to not destruct upon click so the user can link multiple tradeskills per-character.`
`16:46.52`	`Grum`	`pfft`
`16:46.56`	`Grum`	`the hodir chest bugs 1 day`
`16:47.02`	`kadrahil`	`:(`
`16:47.04`	`Grum`	`and 3-4 useless guilds get the 3m achievement on him`
`16:47.13`	`kadrahil`	`lol`
`16:47.16`	`Grum`	`as if they would EVER get it otherwise`
`16:47.18`	`kadrahil`	`are they all like`
`16:47.21`	`kadrahil`	`YEAH BABY WE'RE GOOD NOW`
`16:47.39`	`Grum`	`we did a 2% real try last night`
`16:47.43`	`Bruners`	`what achivement?`
`16:47.44`	`Grum`	`accidently killing him :(`
`16:47.44`	`kadrahil`	`nice`
`16:47.48`	`Repo`	`10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r851 Data/Warlock.lua:`
`16:47.51`	`Repo`	`- Corrected shadow flame coefficient in conflagrate calculation`
`16:47.52`	`kadrahil`	`we wiped on that for a few hours the other night`
`16:48.01`	`Grum`	`2.5 hours of wiping`
`16:48.02`	`kadrahil`	`we literally called wipe if we were within 5% and missed the achievement`
`16:48.07`	`kadrahil`	`every single time`
`16:48.15`	`kadrahil`	`that's the part that sucks, heh`
`16:48.20`	`Grum`	`the fight is too random`
`16:48.22`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03Xinhuan 07master * Beta1.0-4-g484e4f1 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Add functionality to query the server for a specific itemID in the Equipment window.`
`16:48.22`	`Grum`	`just not fun`
`16:48.27`	`kadrahil`	`i think it's fun`
`16:48.38`	`kadrahil`	`just a headache of having to remain stacked up for the damage buff`
`16:48.55`	`Grum`	`what kind of tactics do you have to spread the cloud properly?`
`16:49.20`	`kadrahil`	`i don't really remember, i'm just a melee peon and i was only there for one night of attempts on him :P`
`16:49.53`	`Grum`	`ah well, YS with 1/2 watcher gone should be doable tonight :)`
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`16:49.55`	`kadrahil`	`hardmode that is`
`16:50.03`	`kadrahil`	`cool`
`16:50.05`	`Grum`	`mimiron hardmode is just cryworthy`
`16:50.10`	`kadrahil`	`i haven't even been to general and yogg yet`
`16:50.17`	`kadrahil`	`>:(`
`16:50.20`	`Grum`	`Vezax is just annoying as caster`
`16:50.58`	`Kalroth`	`<3 doomfire`
`16:51.03`	`kadrahil`	`i honestly hope they take me to yogg this week`
`16:51.06`	`kadrahil`	`i want to see the fight`
`16:51.25`	`Grum`	`last week we 2 shotted it after having a lagged out first try ... it was almost not funny :D`
`16:51.37`	`kadrahil`	`heh`
`16:52.22`	`kadrahil`	`afk lunch`
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`16:57.31`	`NeoTron`	`so I installed Windows 7 on my old-old computer (Athlon XP 3000+, 1.5GB) on a newish SATA drive. It feels quite a bit speeder than Windows XP`
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`16:58.51`	`NeoTron`	`quite a nice surprise`
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`17:01.39`	`kagaro`	`Ackis: you there?`
`17:01.44`	`Ackis`	`aye`
`17:02.13`	`kagaro`	`i added in some wowhead support to datatools if you didnt se the checkin`
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`17:02.30`	`Ackis`	`oh no I didn't... I'll ahve to take a look`
`17:02.36`	`Ackis`	`btw you see my commit for reflux?`
`17:02.41`	`kagaro`	`ya`
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`17:04.34`	Funkeh`	`windows 7 has quite a few optimizations for ssd's actually`
`17:04.39`	Funkeh`	`which is always good to hear`
`17:04.42`	`Repo`	`10heatsink: 03durcyn * r193 / (2 files in 1 directory):`
`17:04.46`	`Repo`	`upvalue a couple of global strings, use pairs() in event handlers instead of table lookups.`
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`17:06.37`	`NeoTron`	Funkeh`: I'm happily susprised without using SSD :P
`17:07.02`	Funkeh`	`I'll be using SSD's with my w7, that's why :P`
`17:07.31`	`NeoTron`	`an SSD for WoW would be nice`
`17:07.41`	`Zyndrome`	`waits for SSDs to drop down to a price more fitting to his current wallet ._.`
`17:07.46`	Funkeh`	`dual core wow would be nice`
`17:08.05`	`NeoTron`	`how about octo-core? :P`
`17:08.11`	`Stanzilla`	Funkeh`: can you buy me one? (ssd) :(
`17:08.11`	`NeoTron`	`or at least quad-core`
`17:08.17`	Funkeh`	`lol Im cheap`
`17:08.28`	Funkeh`	`ill be waiting until another year or so until I get windows 7`
`17:08.49`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03grum 07armory-import * Beta1.0-20-g83273a6 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Updated some strings in the new window (title/button/rawr description).`
`17:08.51`	Funkeh`	`by then everything should be down I hope`
`17:08.52`	`NeoTron`	`one thing that confuses me though`
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`17:09.06`	`Bruners`	`w7 sp1 will be good i guess`
`17:09.07`	`NeoTron`	`with Windows 7, I get choppy loading especially (or only?) in Dalaran while I don't in Windows Vista`
`17:09.19`	`NeoTron`	`that's no SSD, but it's a striped SATA raid`
`17:09.35`	`Repo`	`10proculas: 03Xocide * r195 modules (2 files in 1 directory): Added requested procs.`
`17:09.43`	`NeoTron`	`and when copyign shit around I from that, to a single SATA drive, I got over 100 MB/sec`
`17:09.45`	Funkeh`	`maybe it's more a random installation fluke than os based`
`17:10.00`	`digmouse`	`why CC still fails on PitBull4?`
`17:10.05`	`NeoTron`	`it's somewhat confusing`
`17:10.14`	Funkeh`	`digmouse, pb4 is alpha...`
`17:10.39`	`digmouse`	`Funkeh': I already set the release state to alpha`
`17:10.46`	`Shefki`	`Becuase Curse has a bug.`
`17:10.55`	`digmouse`	`and it was well updating it until yesterday`
`17:11.06`	Funkeh`	`of you mean failed messages`
`17:11.11`	`Shefki`	`My understand is it broke on Friday.`
`17:11.17`	`Shefki`	`understanding*`
`17:11.20`	Funkeh`	`netcurse usually says it's down to failing of the hositng company`
`17:11.34`	Funkeh`	`though, it's failing a lot lately`
`17:11.38`	Funkeh`	`just wait a while`
`17:11.41`	`digmouse`	`no only PitBull4 and several other ones`
`17:11.48`	`Shefki`	Funkeh`: No this is a known issue with Curse thinking the addon was deleted.
`17:11.53`	Funkeh`	`it's not specific to addons`
`17:11.56`	Funkeh`	`no matter what you think`
`17:12.00`	`Shefki`	`This one is.`
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`17:12.21`	Funkeh`	`what, it downloads and fails?`
`17:12.23`	`Vangual`	`i noticed he empty curse dummy for pb4 is gone now`
`17:12.24`	`Shefki`	`Just because a general random download error causes an effect doesn't mean a more specific bug can't cause that bug.`
`17:12.38`	`Shefki`	Funkeh`: It fails to download becuase the server side thinks the addon is deleted and there are no files to provide.
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`17:12.46`	Funkeh`	`but the fact it starting happening with no update usually gives it away`
`17:13.07`	`Shefki`	Funkeh`: There was a push of new server side software on Friday.
`17:13.09`	`Shefki`	`Thus an update.`
`17:13.16`	`Shefki`	`Curse Client isn't just the client side.`
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`18:02.25`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1851 Docs (4 files in 1 directory): Update docs to reflect new images.`
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`18:08.09`	`Repo`	`6de3790: Merge branch 'armory-import'`
`18:08.12`	`Repo`	`83273a6: Updated some strings in the new window (title/button/rawr description).`
`18:08.15`	`Repo`	`6b126b9: Increase size of level inputbox and put text-restrictions on the class button back (properly sized)`
`18:08.18`	`Repo`	`e65d3e8: Fix failing grammar in description.`
`18:09.23`	`NeoTron`	`hrm. Baggins need to be updated to work with color blind mode.`
`18:09.41`	`NeoTron`	`specifically it looks for BoE etc in one specific line which gets moved down one due to the "Epic" etc tag`
`18:13.27`	`Shefki`	`NeoTron: Correction: Blizzard needs to give us an API to tell us the bind state of an item rather than this tooltip scanning nonsense.`
`18:13.39`	`NeoTron`	`well... true`
`18:13.51`	`NeoTron`	`in fact I'd love api's to see whether _I_ can use an item`
`18:13.56`	`NeoTron`	`not just whether the item "is usable"`
`18:14.05`	`NeoTron`	`or "is equippable" that returns if _I_ can equip it`
`18:14.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`that information requires server interaction, imo`
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`18:22.21`	`NeoTron`	`the info is in the tooltip`
`18:22.40`	`NeoTron`	`if I need to "cache" it first, so be it but when the tooltip info is available,. that info is known to the client`
`18:22.45`	`NeoTron`	`since I scan the tooltip to learn it`
`18:23.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`aye, dunno`
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`18:28.38`	`Pneumatus`	`http://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/yogg-eyetest.jpg (nsfw)`
`18:29.26`	`Axodious`	`Xinhuan`
`18:29.37`	`Xinhuan`	`hi`
`18:29.51`	`Axodious`	`on the import profile page for wowequip the text telling people how to import trails off at (view menu -->`
`18:30.08`	`Xinhuan`	`are you using a non-default font`
`18:30.11`	`Axodious`	`yes`
`18:30.15`	`Xinhuan`	`bad luck`
`18:30.21`	`Axodious`	`k`
`18:30.38`	`Axodious`	`could do a button which makes a popup describing how to import for both`
`18:30.39`	`Axodious`	`;o`
`18:31.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`there a good weapon buff/totem addon that uses AddonLoadeR?`
`18:31.49`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll bet your equipment frame`
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`18:31.52`	`Xinhuan`	`also has overflowed text`
`18:31.59`	`jme_`	`eek`
`18:32.01`	`NeoTron`	`so it's funny when you do such a dps dependant fight as yogg... and after 4 hrs realize you forgot Curse of Elements or equivalent on the tentacles`
`18:32.04`	`jme_`	`slaps kadrahil around a bit with a large trout`
`18:32.22`	`Xinhuan`	`but i have little pity for people who use non-default fonts, because making a UI look good is already tough`
`18:32.24`	`Repo`	`10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r233 / (11 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line)`
`18:32.27`	`Repo`	`RaidBuffStatus:`
`18:32.30`	`Repo`	`- Changed missing Paladin blessing method to consider which specs are in the raid per class as a whole rather than per character to cope with some situations where different specs want different blessings and they are not available. Basically fixed some situations where it said a blessing was missing or not set in Pally Power.`
`18:32.33`	`Axodious`	`do you copy/paste all the source from the page?`
`18:32.36`	`Axodious`	`like 2000 lines`
`18:32.38`	`Repo`	`- Tooltips now dynamically update.`
`18:32.42`	`Repo`	`- Paladin aura checking now can spot Paladins missing an aura even if they are in range of another Paladin's aura.`
`18:32.45`	`Xinhuan`	`its only like 200 lines`
`18:32.46`	`Xinhuan`	`not 2000`
`18:33.05`	`Axodious`	`mine is showing 2000`
`18:33.19`	`Axodious`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightning's+Blade&n=Blacksen`
`18:33.28`	`Axodious`	`from a page like that, view source, copy/paste correct?`
`18:33.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`stop using a shitty browser`
`18:33.34`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah`
`18:33.41`	`Axodious`	`Arrowmaster, chrome != shitty`
`18:33.51`	`Zeksie`	`yay.. Insane done.. can get back to mods now.`
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`18:34.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you see html when doing view source its a shitty browser`
`18:34.11`	`Xinhuan`	`except Axodious, that link's profile only has 218 lines`
`18:34.52`	`Axodious`	`what browsers have you tested this in?`
`18:34.53`	`Xinhuan`	`even less`
`18:34.55`	`Xinhuan`	`191 lines`
`18:35.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`172`
`18:35.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`Axodious: firefox and probably latest IE`
`18:35.33`	`Xinhuan`	`http://paste.wowace.com/676/ - 191 lines`
`18:35.36`	`Xinhuan`	`using firefox`
`18:35.41`	`Axodious`	`yeah i just tried ie and it worked`
`18:36.07`	`Axodious`	`i think chrome is parsing the entire xml of the page`
`18:36.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xinhuan: i dont see the blank lines in firefox's view source`
`18:36.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`Axodious: its not`
`18:36.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`chrome isnt even getting the xml`
`18:37.02`	`Xinhuan`	`Arrowmaster, the blank lines are only because i turned wrapping on`
`18:37.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`its getting the prerendered html created by the server from the xml`
`18:37.30`	`Fisker-`	`harasses Arrowmaster`
`18:38.21`	`Xinhuan`	`just pretend theblank lines don't exist`
`18:38.36`	`Xinhuan`	`appears firefox's copy inserts those blank lines`
`18:38.38`	`Xinhuan`	`into the clipboard`
`18:39.03`	`Axodious`	`hm`
`18:39.18`	`Xinhuan`	`well does it work when importing from chrome's view source?`
`18:39.27`	`Axodious`	`no, it's in html/js`
`18:39.32`	`Axodious`	`i think it's not a problem with chrome`
`18:39.40`	`Axodious`	`but with the armory using specific agents`
`18:39.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`blizzard doesnt support chrome`
`18:39.48`	`Axodious`	`exactly`
`18:39.53`	`Axodious`	`but it support FF/IE`
`18:40.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`opera too i think`
`18:40.12`	`Xinhuan`	`so for chrome, its generating raw html?`
`18:40.31`	`Axodious`	`The Armory supports Internet Explorer (version 6.0 and up), Opera 9, and Safari. However, the Armory is best experienced with Firefox. In addition, certain features require Flash Player to function.`
`18:40.35`	`Axodious`	`yea`
`18:40.50`	`Xinhuan`	`grum ^`
`18:40.53`	`Axodious`	`probably should add something like "importing only works with blizzard supported web browsers" or something`
`18:41.07`	`Axodious`	`to avoid ppl spamming you :P`
`18:41.09`	`Xinhuan`	`so at least, now we know`
`18:41.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`IE 6.0 doesnt get xml either afaik`
`18:41.23`	`Xinhuan`	`importing would work on all major browsers - except Chrome`
`18:41.39`	`Grum`	`chrome just sucks with xslt clearly`
`18:41.52`	`Xinhuan`	`Axodious, can you paste us a copy`
`18:41.56`	`Xinhuan`	`of your chrome source code`
`18:42.12`	`Axodious`	`sec`
`18:42.18`	`Axodious`	`http://pastebin.ca/1426669`
`18:42.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`holy fuck`
`18:42.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`IE 6.0 gets xml`
`18:42.31`	`Axodious`	`kind of thought there was something wrong when i saw 2000 lines :P`
`18:42.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes i still have IE 6 installed`
`18:42.46`	`Axodious`	`o_o`
`18:42.50`	`Axodious`	`i fear for your computer`
`18:42.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont use it`
`18:43.04`	`Xinhuan`	`that links bugs out at line 736`
`18:43.52`	`Axodious`	`on my screen it doesnt`
`18:43.54`	`Axodious`	`using ie and chrome`
`18:44.35`	`Xinhuan`	`that's a fuck load of js lol`
`18:44.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cant parse that`
`18:44.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`dont even try`
`18:44.53`	`Axodious`	`lol yeah i agree`
`18:46.14`	`Xinhuan`	`<a class="staticTip itemToolTip gearFrame" href="/item-info.xml?i=45417" id="i=45417&r=Lightning%27s+Blade&n=Blacksen&s=0">`
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`18:46.29`	`Xinhuan`	`we know is item 45417 but we dont have the gemIDs and enchantIDs in that`
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`18:46.51`	`Xinhuan`	`compared to XML`
`18:46.52`	`Xinhuan`	`<item durability="50" gem0Id="41285" gem1Id="39998" gem2Id="0" icon="inv_helmet_131" id="45417" maxDurability="60" permanentenchant="3820" randomPropertiesId="0" seed="0" slot="0"/>`
`18:46.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`told you`
`18:47.32`	`Axodious`	`so the big question is why hasn't blizz added chrome support ~_~`
`18:47.38`	`Grum`	`no`
`18:47.42`	`Xinhuan`	`so Axodious, does chrome properly show u`
`18:47.46`	`Grum`	`chrome clearly has no xslt support`
`18:47.48`	`Xinhuan`	`the enchants/gems you have`
`18:47.52`	`Xinhuan`	`in your gear?`
`18:47.57`	`Axodious`	`yep`
`18:47.57`	`Xinhuan`	`on armory`
`18:48.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xinhuan: the link has the character name embedded into it so the tooltip will show the proper gems and enchants`
`18:48.24`	`Grum`	`Xinhuan: because of 'i=45417&r=Lightning%27s+Blade&n=Blacksen&s=0'`
`18:48.24`	`Xinhuan`	`ah yes that makes sense`
`18:48.35`	`Grum`	`cba to parse that tbh`
`18:48.46`	`Axodious`	`cba = ?`
`18:48.48`	`Grum`	`and we'll need more space to add a message`
`18:48.49`	`Xinhuan`	`its not parsable well, it is, but only to get teh item`
`18:48.50`	`Grum`	`cant be arsed`
`18:48.58`	`Xinhuan`	`can't import that link for gem/enchant`
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`18:49.02`	`Axodious`	`it also freezes wow for ~40 seconds`
`18:49.14`	`Grum`	`yup because of the stupidly large amount of data to paste`
`18:49.17`	`Axodious`	`yea`
`18:51.05`	`Xinhuan`	`so grum`
`18:51.05`	`Xinhuan`	`we probably have to update the description`
`18:51.16`	`Xinhuan`	`to what though`
`18:51.37`	`Grum`	`'doesnt support stupid browsers'`
`18:51.58`	`Groktar`	`grr`
`18:51.58`	`Grum`	`prolly also fails on opera`
`18:52.00`	`Groktar`	`i want a new mouse`
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`18:52.09`	`Grum`	`get a cat, it catches them for free`
`18:52.11`	`Xinhuan`	`opera should work?`
`18:52.13`	`Groktar`	`hehe`
`18:52.17`	`Xinhuan`	`anyone uses opera here`
`18:52.19`	`Grum`	`no idea`
`18:52.20`	`Groktar`	`lookin for something wireless`
`18:52.28`	`Groktar`	`with battery packs i can switch`
`18:52.42`	`Grum`	`any oprah users?`
`18:52.45`	`Groktar`	`using a logitech mx1000 right now`
`18:53.00`	`Grum`	`does that also have a cradle of fail?`
`18:53.09`	`Fisker-`	`today is the day you die Groktar`
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`18:53.24`	`Grum`	`any opera users in here?`
`18:53.26`	`Grum`	`helluu!`
`18:53.40`	`Xinhuan`	`try the other channel too`
`18:53.43`	`Groktar`	`what's up Fisker-?`
`18:53.54`	`Groktar`	`makes out with Fisker-`
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`18:55.17`	`Fisker-`	`sims 3 suck Groktar`
`18:55.28`	`Fisker-`	`they have portable fire extinguishers now`
`18:55.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol?`
`18:55.52`	`Xinhuan`	`fire extinguishers are portable.`
`18:55.57`	`Xinhuan`	`have you see a non portable one?`
`18:56.00`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`18:56.12`	`kadrahil`	`3 hours left :(`
`18:56.12`	`Axodious`	`Grum supposedly chrome has xslt support now... i can't find a test page ~_~`
`18:56.14`	`kadrahil`	`siiiigh`
`18:56.15`	`Fisker-`	`But you can't wall them in and burn them to death anymore`
`18:56.18`	`Fisker-`	`also`
`18:56.22`	`Groktar`	`lol`
`18:56.25`	`Fisker-`	`the grim reaper couldn't escape my wall-in`
`18:56.26`	`Fisker-`	`i lol'`
`18:56.26`	`Fisker-`	`d`
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`19:03.51`	`Grum`	`Axodious: if the armory doesnt see it`
`19:04.56`	`Xinhuan`	`ok grum`
`19:05.03`	`Xinhuan`	`opera receives the same 2000 lines as chrome`
`19:05.06`	`Grum`	`disclaimer text`
`19:05.29`	`Xinhuan`	`so do you think its worth importing the itemIDs only?`
`19:05.32`	`Xinhuan`	`no enchants/gems`
`19:05.50`	`Axodious`	`well, i was going to post a suggestion to armory support about it, but first i want to make sure it works`
`19:07.20`	`Xinhuan`	`wonder what format safari receives armory in`
`19:07.24`	`Xinhuan`	`any idea?`
`19:07.30`	`Axodious`	`i can find out in a sec`
`19:09.01`	`Axodious`	`html/js`
`19:09.04`	`Xinhuan`	`in Rawr, when you import from armory, it only allows you to select IE6, IE7 or Firefox2 as the user agent`
`19:09.11`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
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`19:10.05`	`Axodious`	`so, looks like import only works in ie/ff`
`19:10.15`	`Xinhuan`	`whats safari getting?`
`19:10.20`	`Axodious`	`<Axodious> html/js`
`19:10.28`	`Xinhuan`	`ok`
`19:10.41`	`Xinhuan`	`so we could allow a broken import`
`19:10.44`	`Axodious`	`is it just me or is blizz making extra work for themselves doing it like this?`
`19:10.50`	`Xinhuan`	`that only gets the items, but not the gems/enchants`
`19:10.56`	`Xinhuan`	`or just plain not code for it`
`19:11.13`	`Grum`	`no code`
`19:11.19`	`Grum`	`the blob is to big to paste anyhow`
`19:11.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`blizz isnt using xslt on those browsers because apparently they dont work 100% as intended`
`19:11.27`	`Axodious`	`i agree with grum`
`19:11.39`	`Xinhuan`	`so we need an updated description`
`19:11.42`	`Axodious`	`in otherwords Arrowmaster blizz is doing it wrong? lol`
`19:11.45`	`Grum`	`just a disclaimer, this only works with a browser which blizzard supports`
`19:11.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`19:11.59`	`Xinhuan`	`grum "The Armory supports Internet Explorer (version 6.0 and up), Opera 9, and Safari. However, the Armory is best experienced with Firefox. In addition, certain features require Flash Player to function."`
`19:12.00`	`Axodious`	`Grum blizzard supports opera/safari`
`19:12.05`	`Axodious`	`^^`
`19:12.06`	`Xinhuan`	`technically armory supports opera and safari`
`19:12.25`	`Grum`	`'supports by sending xml instead of html'`
`19:12.47`	`Xinhuan`	`well does opera/safari really not support xls?`
`19:13.27`	`Axodious`	`Arrowmaster what i'm saying is, if it doesn't work as intended in over half of major browsers, why support that form at all?`
`19:13.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`somebody at blizzard web development thinks opera/safari/chrome xlst support isnt fully working`
`19:13.44`	`Xinhuan`	`notice how easy the xml code is`
`19:13.52`	`Xinhuan`	`barely 200 lines`
`19:13.56`	`nevcairiel`	`why not, Axodious? :)`
`19:14.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`Axodious: because its better? and intended as the proper way to export data?`
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`19:14.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`the armory is a great example of what to use xml/xslt for`
`19:14.55`	`Groktar`	`why does the 6 months curse premium cost more than the quarterly?`
`19:15.03`	`Axodious`	`nevcairiel it caused them to make 2 sets of code for the entire armory site`
`19:15.24`	`Xinhuan`	`Groktar, because its twice the duration?`
`19:15.46`	`nevcairiel`	`the 6month isnt subscription, i think`
`19:15.49`	`nevcairiel`	`one-time payment`
`19:15.54`	`nevcairiel`	`that adds a bit of cost, or so`
`19:15.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`<rant> and all those web developers wanting html5 instead of xhtml2 can go fuck themselves because they dont know shit about seperating data from design </rant>`
`19:16.19`	`Groktar`	`just doesn't seem right`
`19:16.28`	`nevcairiel`	`xhtml always was a flawed design`
`19:16.45`	`nevcairiel`	`xml parsing is too strict for web pages`
`19:16.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`its not really that much different from html4`
`19:17.00`	`Grum`	`those are the same people that talk about web2.0, i just pity those people`
`19:17.49`	`nevcairiel`	`isnt 2.0 old already? =P`
`19:18.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes we are on like 7.0 now`
`19:18.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`goes to find SOAD cd`
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`19:19.27`	`Repo`	`10critmiester: 03Xocide * r17 / (3 files in 1 directory): Fixing up for 3.1`
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`19:20.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`@describe critmiester`
`19:20.20`	`Repo`	`Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/critmiester/. Critmeister. Critmeister Tells you when you crit and gathers stats for each crit such as total crits, crit for current session, highest crit with each spell, and more. To configure Critmeister, type /critmiester...`
`19:20.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`so`
`19:20.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`who the hell approved that`
`19:20.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`19:20.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`~seen xocide`
`19:20.39`	`purl`	`xocide <n=xocide@C-59-101-132-127.mel.connect.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 129d 10h 40m 30s ago, saying: 'I like chicken'.`
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`19:21.30`	`Bruners`	`nice last saying`
`19:21.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`fucking idiot who can't even spell the fancy words he has to use :p`
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`19:21.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`"oh let's be cool and name it something foreign that I don't know how to spell"`
`19:21.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`>_>`
`19:22.30`	`nevcairiel`	`he fixed the title on the page`
`19:22.36`	`nevcairiel`	`just the slug still has a typo :p`
`19:23.28`	`Pneumatus`	`can anyone confirm if purge works on the mind control at yogg?`
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`19:24.09`	`Axodious`	`in p1`
`19:24.10`	`Axodious`	`yes`
`19:24.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes, works, you just have to target and then purge`
`19:24.28`	`Axodious`	`you can purge "dominate mind"`
`19:24.37`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, thats what i thought`
`19:24.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`as you can with Cleanse`
`19:24.48`	`Axodious`	`can you with cleanse?`
`19:24.53`	`Axodious`	`it's not an offensive dispel`
`19:25.03`	`stolenlegacy`	`cleanse is the shaman spell, isn't it`
`19:25.04`	`stolenlegacy`	`?`
`19:25.12`	`Axodious`	`cleanse spirit is`
`19:25.14`	`Axodious`	`cleanse is paladin`
`19:25.17`	`stolenlegacy`	`oh i see`
`19:25.23`	`Axodious`	`both are friendly only dispels`
`19:25.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`irrelevant.`
`19:25.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`all dispels that can dispel magic effects can dispel Dominate Mind on yogg p1`
`19:25.49`	`Axodious`	`interesting`
`19:25.52`	`Axodious`	`first time i've seen that`
`19:25.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`it is`
`19:26.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`took me a while to believe it, but I'm cleansing people by the dozens now on my paladin, so I'm rather confident it's true`
`19:26.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`19:26.38`	`Axodious`	`hm i wonder what happens if you spell steal it rofl`
`19:26.47`	`stolenlegacy`	`well, the shaman cleanse (the default spell), not the talented one, only works on enemies`
`19:26.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`are there any other mind controls in wrath raids?`
`19:27.08`	`stolenlegacy`	`Arrowmaster: kelthuzad`
`19:27.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`sure, K't`
`19:27.13`	`Axodious`	`that's purge stolenlegacy`
`19:27.21`	`Axodious`	`purge and cleanse spirit are 2 different abilities`
`19:27.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`but nobody can dispell the KT one right`
`19:27.24`	`stolenlegacy`	`Axodious: yeah, whatever :)`
`19:27.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: correct`
`19:27.31`	`stolenlegacy`	`Arrowmaster: yeah`
`19:27.34`	`Axodious`	`1 is an offsenve dispell of enemies and the other is a friendly dispell`
`19:27.42`	`stolenlegacy`	`yeah`
`19:27.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is clearly a case of 'no class is required in a wrath raid'`
`19:28.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`Purge shouldn't be able to dispel Dominate Mind either, because it dispels positive effects from hostile targets`
`19:28.16`	`nevcairiel`	`thats how dispellable mind controls usually work`
`19:28.17`	`stolenlegacy`	`Gnarfoz: what i meant`
`19:28.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`but it does anyway`
`19:28.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`just like Paladin Cleanse does ^^`
`19:28.36`	`Axodious`	`Gnarfoz`
`19:28.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`(which doesn't work on hostile targets normally)`
`19:28.40`	`Axodious`	`it puts a buff`
`19:28.42`	`Axodious`	`on the target`
`19:28.43`	`Axodious`	`not a debuff`
`19:28.50`	`Axodious`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63042`
`19:28.54`	`stolenlegacy`	`well, THEN purge def works`
`19:29.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`so somebody should go back so some of the old stuff and find out if all mindcontrolls where changed so you can clense them instead of using an offensive purge/dispell`
`19:29.38`	`nevcairiel`	`I think they just made an exception for paladins, so they are not useless again =P`
`19:29.43`	`Fisker-`	`slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout`
`19:29.54`	`nevcairiel`	`because priests and shamans can already dispell it`
`19:30.09`	`stolenlegacy`	`asks Groktar for his meat grinder.`
`19:30.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`well theres a problem if a shaman purges it`
`19:30.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`purge removes two buffs right?`
`19:30.25`	`stolenlegacy`	`shaman would probably purge another buff too, yeah`
`19:30.26`	`stolenlegacy`	`yes`
`19:30.28`	`Axodious`	`correct`
`19:30.31`	`nevcairiel`	`who cares`
`19:30.31`	`stolenlegacy`	`but rank one only removes one`
`19:30.36`	`stolenlegacy`	`so you could downrank`
`19:30.45`	`stolenlegacy`	`but there always is the chance of hitting another buff, iirc`
`19:30.49`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe they added an exception for that too =P`
`19:31.05`	`nevcairiel`	`afaik a dispel in those cases will always hit the mind control`
`19:31.08`	`nevcairiel`	`and not other spells`
`19:31.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`right`
`19:31.20`	`stolenlegacy`	`well, rank 1 should be used`
`19:31.24`	`stolenlegacy`	`better be safe then sorry`
`19:31.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i don't think a shaman downranked for us, and i didnt see people missing buffs`
`19:31.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is an idiot proofing`
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`19:31.56`	`stolenlegacy`	`probably an exception, too`
`19:32.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`Axodious: it's a debuff.`
`19:32.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`stolenlegacy: (to you, too, it's a debuff)`
`19:32.26`	`nevcairiel`	`its a buff`
`19:32.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's a debuff.`
`19:32.42`	`stolenlegacy`	`but since both have the same mana cost, probably you should just downrank`
`19:32.46`	`stolenlegacy`	`Gnarfoz: buff`
`19:32.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`I screenshotted it 30seconds ago`
`19:32.54`	`stolenlegacy`	`the first comment on wowhead is misleading`
`19:32.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's a fucking debuff`
`19:34.04`	`stolenlegacy`	`well, it doesn't matter`
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`19:34.11`	`stolenlegacy`	`asked a friend, his guild is on yogg`
`19:34.15`	`stolenlegacy`	`and it is dispellable by shamans`
`19:34.27`	`stolenlegacy`	`using the mainline spell, not the talent`
`19:34.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats purge`
`19:34.50`	`stolenlegacy`	`what i said`
`19:35.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/3.1/yogg_dominate.jpg <`
`19:35.34`	`Pneumatus`	`nevcairiel: dispel regularly hits normal buffs, not MC`
`19:35.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`there is no non-mainline purge`
`19:35.54`	`Pneumatus`	`im forever removing blessings etc from others`
`19:36.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Pneumatus: not raid-MCs`
`19:36.10`	`Pneumatus`	`yes`
`19:36.26`	`nevcairiel`	`dispel on yogg-saron always hits the MC first`
`19:36.26`	`Pneumatus`	`in yogg, i repeatedly see myself dispelling raid buffs from someone that's mind controlled`
`19:36.39`	`nevcairiel`	`youre doing it wrong, then =)`
`19:36.45`	`nevcairiel`	`let the other people dispel`
`19:36.46`	`nevcairiel`	`:p`
`19:37.23`	`Pneumatus`	`sometimes it just removes mc, sometimes (possibly because someone else dispells at the same moment) it removes 2 raid buffs`
`19:38.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`lag, probably, yeah`
`19:38.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's why shamans use rank 1 purge`
`19:38.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`only removes 1 effect`
`19:41.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`any more proof needed that it's a debuff?`
`19:41.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`5/17 20:13:55.500 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF130008170023BFC,"Guardian of Yogg-Saron",0x10a48,0x030000000007305B,"Corsax",0x514,63042,"Dominate Mind",0x20,DEBUFF < :p`
`19:41.13`	`nevcairiel`	`you can't spell debuff without buff`
`19:41.17`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1852 ARLFrame.lua:`
`19:41.20`	`Repo`	`In GenerateClickableTT() and HandleTTClick(): Modified menu generation to display characters on the current realm, and a line with "Other Realm" - at which point all other realms will be displayed, and selecting one will display all characters on that realm.`
`19:41.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: hoho`
`19:41.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`(in Fisker- speak)`
`19:41.51`	`nevcairiel`	`hm did they change player GUIDs?`
`19:41.56`	`nevcairiel`	`they used to start with 0x000000`
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`19:44.56`	`Axodious`	`lol`
`19:45.07`	`Axodious`	`xslt works in chrome perfectly fine`
`19:45.16`	`Grum`	`then /poke the armory`
`19:45.17`	`Axodious`	`i ujst changed the useragent string in chrome to IE8s`
`19:45.19`	`Axodious`	`and it worked >_>`
`19:45.37`	`Axodious`	`one thing that doesnt work, is an advertisemetn`
`19:45.45`	`Grum`	`ah!`
`19:46.01`	`Axodious`	`and hovers on the items don't work, but i don't think that's an xslt problem`
`19:46.01`	`nevcairiel`	`it kinda sucks that they work with a whitelist instead of a blacklist`
`19:46.16`	`Grum`	`it sucks they support IE :p`
`19:46.20`	`nevcairiel`	`i don't get tooltips in firefox 3.5b5pre`
`19:46.33`	`Grum`	`you do get xml source?`
`19:46.37`	`Axodious`	`yea`
`19:46.37`	`nevcairiel`	`i dunno`
`19:46.40`	`Axodious`	`oh nev`
`19:46.46`	`Axodious`	`i dont get tooltips on the items`
`19:46.50`	`Axodious`	`but i do get them on the stats`
`19:47.00`	`nevcairiel`	`if i change my useragent to firefox 3.0.10 it works fine`
`19:47.06`	`nevcairiel`	`silly armory and useragent detection =P`
`19:47.50`	`Xinhuan`	`well as it stands, import will only work in IE6/FF2 and newer then`
`19:47.53`	`nevcairiel`	`i like running the bleeding edge builds =(`
`19:48.13`	`nevcairiel`	`i get html too`
`19:48.20`	`nevcairiel`	`i don#t want to change my useragent again`
`19:48.21`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`19:48.23`	`Axodious`	`lol`
`19:48.29`	`Axodious`	`in chrome its easy`
`19:48.34`	`nevcairiel`	`in firefox too`
`19:48.34`	`Xinhuan`	`wait you're getting HTML in 3.5 firefox?`
`19:48.40`	`Axodious`	`add --user-agent="" to the shortcut`
`19:49.03`	`nevcairiel`	`well my user-agent isnt really firefox-y`
`19:49.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1b5pre) Gecko/20090517 Shiretoko/3.5b5pre`
`19:49.28`	`Axodious`	`Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0)`
`19:49.35`	`Axodious`	`^- that's my chromea tm`
`19:49.35`	`nevcairiel`	`If i change the last part to Firefox/3.0.10`
`19:49.36`	`Xinhuan`	`Firefox 3.0.10 gives`
`19:49.37`	`nevcairiel`	`it works fine`
`19:49.37`	`Xinhuan`	`Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)`
`19:49.50`	`nevcairiel`	`i disabled the freaking .NET tag`
`19:49.59`	`nevcairiel`	`dont want to scream at the world that i run that thing <.<`
`19:50.10`	`Xinhuan`	`how to disable?`
`19:50.20`	`nevcairiel`	`about:config search for useragent`
`19:50.33`	`Axodious`	`not to self`
`19:50.42`	`Axodious`	`do not attempt to use web outlook while cloning IE`
`19:51.22`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway changed to Firefox/3.0.10`
`19:51.24`	`nevcairiel`	`and i get xml`
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`19:53.08`	`nevcairiel`	`funny how IE still says Mozilla/4.0`
`19:53.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: mind controlled = pet flag`
`19:56.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i saw it in other places too`
`19:56.59`	`nevcairiel`	`5/17 20:46:06.952 RANGE_DAMAGE,0x02000000000040AE,"Dryw",0x514,0xF13000808A002910,"Freya",0xa48,75,"Auto Shot",0x1,1488,0,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil`
`19:57.04`	`nevcairiel`	`pretty sure he wasn't MC'ed`
`19:57.21`	`Axodious`	`i sent the wowarmory an email asking why they haven't put in xml support for those browsers, wonder what kind of generic response i will get`
`19:57.47`	`rubik`	`"Your gaming experience is very important to us, blah blah blah..."`
`19:57.51`	`Axodious`	`considering i do not see a suggestions forum for the wowarmory they can't send me there :D`
`19:58.07`	`nevcairiel`	`they'll create one for you`
`19:58.11`	`Axodious`	`lol`
`19:58.22`	`Axodious`	`they'll forward me to lolspam@wowarmoy.com`
`19:58.25`	`Axodious`	`wowarmory*`
`19:59.45`	`dranor`	`i don't get what you're saying, i use chrome too and i haven't seen any kind of problem`
`20:00.24`	`Axodious`	`dracula`
`20:00.24`	`Axodious`	`er`
`20:00.26`	`Axodious`	`dranor`
`20:00.30`	`Axodious`	`if you go to wowarmory in chrome`
`20:00.37`	`Axodious`	`it displays using HTML & Javascript`
`20:00.46`	`TF_Shinja`	`wtf, lowest graphics effect, 15 fps on Freya 3D ;(`
`20:00.46`	`Axodious`	`which in source is ~2000 lines of text`
`20:00.57`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03Xinhuan 07master * Beta1.0-25-gb4378d0 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]`
`20:00.59`	`Axodious`	`in IE/FF2 it displays in XML`
`20:01.00`	`Repo`	`b4378d0: Update armory import instruction to say that it only works in IE6 and Firefox2 or newer because only these browser useragents receive XML from the armory instead of HTML/JS.`
`20:01.03`	`Repo`	`1db86d9: Minor adjustment to display 4 lines of instruction text instead of 3 in the import frame.`
`20:01.04`	`Axodious`	`which is 200 lines of text`
`20:01.21`	`Axodious`	`in XML it is extremely easy to parse the text, which is what a feature in wowequip does`
`20:02.31`	`nevcairiel`	`http://www.w3schools.com/XSL/xsl_browsers.asp`
`20:02.32`	`nevcairiel`	`^`
`20:02.39`	`Shefki`	`XML, easy to parse, in the same sentence...`
`20:02.40`	`Axodious`	`yeah i read that`
`20:02.43`	`Shefki`	`boggles.`
`20:02.53`	`Xinhuan`	`easy to parse by a computer, Shefki`
`20:03.06`	`nevcairiel`	`Shefki: try to parse SGML then :p`
`20:03.09`	`Axodious`	`i would rather sift through 200 lines of text, then 2000`
`20:03.13`	`Axodious`	`:P`
`20:03.15`	`Shefki`	`Xinhuan: Have you ever tried to write an XML parser that follows the standard?`
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`20:03.21`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`20:03.32`	`Shefki`	`Don't it sucks.`
`20:03.47`	`nevcairiel`	`the problem is not your parser following the standard, the problem is people not following it :P`
`20:04.58`	`Repo`	`10moncaiqt: 03Moncai 04v0.0.5-beta * r9 : Tagging as v0.0.5-beta`
`20:05.25`	`Axodious`	`i agree with whomever it was that asked why they ran with a whitelist rather than black`
`20:05.47`	`nevcairiel`	`well i guess they don't want random failures in random browsers`
`20:06.48`	`Axodious`	`as far as IE/FF support goes, my guess would be they tested the features back when ie and ff were the only major browsers (based on % of usablity) and they haven't tested it since then`
`20:07.07`	`Axodious`	`why they don't have support for safari si beyond me though`
`20:07.21`	`nevcairiel`	`safari is an awful browser, if you ask me`
`20:07.22`	`kadrahil`	`durcyn: ping`
`20:07.42`	`Axodious`	`it's still standard for an entire computer market`
`20:07.56`	`kadrahil`	`any raiding dk's around?`
`20:11.33`	`kadrahil`	`i was wondering if anyone had any thought son a 0/26/45 hybrid spec nowadays, or if they're pretty much dead`
`20:11.43`	`kadrahil`	`bringing imp icy talons and ebon plaguebringer`
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`20:13.12`	`Axodious`	`i'm not a dk but i don't see the point in bringing both of those`
`20:13.34`	`kadrahil`	`we don't have an enhance shaman, and sometimes the main unholy dk is out`
`20:13.35`	`Axodious`	`usually you will have another class with one or the other`
`20:13.57`	`kadrahil`	`they bring me for the icy talons but i hate playing as frost :\|`
`20:14.12`	`Axodious`	`one of my guildies says "it could work"`
`20:14.15`	`Axodious`	`"in that case"`
`20:14.25`	`Axodious`	`[G] [Sadnap]: His DPS would be low but the utility would be good`
`20:14.51`	`kadrahil`	`yeah, i've been playing as either 20/51/0 or 17/51/3 and was wondering how it would compare`
`20:16.09`	`Axodious`	`thing is though if you play frost rather than hybrid, you can get a warlock/boomkin to do the ebon plaguebringer effect and your dps wouldnt blow as much as a hybrid spec`
`20:16.33`	`kadrahil`	`yeah that's true, but on fights like thorim our locks go with the casters in the gauntlet`
`20:16.56`	`Axodious`	`then there shouldn't be much need for a spell damage debuff aye? :p`
`20:17.00`	`kadrahil`	`so i'm out in the arena buffing our melee, but when we get the haste debuff he does my damage drops like a brick`
`20:17.03`	`Axodious`	`other than dk/enh shaman which you dont have`
`20:17.27`	`Axodious`	`not to mention`
`20:17.39`	`kadrahil`	`get your dk in irc :X`
`20:17.41`	`Axodious`	`gauntlet/arena don't really matter, as long as you arent dying`
`20:17.47`	`kadrahil`	`yeah that's true`
`20:17.51`	`Axodious`	`i dont think he knows how to use irc lol`
`20:17.56`	`kadrahil`	`hahah`
`20:17.57`	`kadrahil`	`oh well`
`20:18.04`	`Repo`	`10gem-helper: 03s8095324 * r90 GemHelper_Localization.zhTW.lua: zhTW update`
`20:18.06`	`Axodious`	`and he just went offline rofl`
`20:18.11`	`kadrahil`	`:\`
`20:18.41`	`Axodious`	`also on top of that more, it is only 1 fight out of ~15`
`20:18.45`	`*** join/#wowace Zarhan (n=kjetil@217-130-154.500710.adsl.tele2.no)`
`20:18.52`	`kadrahil`	`i know :P`
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`20:19.19`	`kadrahil`	`if we had an enhance shaman i'd just go blood`
`20:19.32`	`Axodious`	`you have a ap% modifier?`
`20:19.38`	`Axodious`	`mm/blood/enh`
`20:19.43`	`kadrahil`	`our blood dk brings that`
`20:19.50`	`kadrahil`	`abomination's might`
`20:19.53`	`Axodious`	`k`
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`20:20.35`	`kadrahil`	`it's interesting, he pretty much tops charts as 51/2/18`
`20:20.40`	`kadrahil`	`he has an insane amount of armor pen`
`20:20.55`	`kadrahil`	`uses death strike instead of oblit, with the death strike glyph`
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`20:22.17`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03Xinhuan 07master * Beta1.0-26-gdaf07e0 / (9 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Update all non-English locales to actually work by registering them as non-default.`
`20:22.35`	`ckknight`	`http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5343111/Ball-and-chain-to-force-children-to-study.html`
`20:23.32`	`Hjalte`	`ckknight: I'd like one for my raid members. They can go when the raid is off.`
`20:23.48`	`Axodious`	`^^`
`20:23.49`	`ckknight`	`lol`
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`20:24.08`	`Axodious`	`back in tbc`
`20:24.13`	`Axodious`	`we'd be doing hyjal`
`20:24.22`	`Axodious`	`after every boss like 5 ppl dissapeared for 10 minutes`
`20:28.54`	`NeoTron`	`Axodious: same 5 ppl? :P`
`20:28.59`	`Axodious`	`actually no`
`20:29.07`	`Axodious`	`i think the best time was when 4/5 ppl were healers`
`20:29.20`	`Axodious`	`started the next gauntlet, grabbed the adds and went splat`
`20:32.09`	`TF_Shinja`	`8.1Mb for pb4 :(`
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`20:33.44`	`Shefki`	`TF_Shinja: Memory doesn't mean much.`
`20:33.51`	`Shefki`	`CPU time does.`
`20:35.20`	`Axodious`	`http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,,24353334-5012895,00.html sfw`
`20:35.25`	`kadrahil`	`man it's looking like 17/51/3 is still superior`
`20:35.27`	`TF_Shinja`	`Shefki: yep but 9.5Mb ooc after some trshs`
`20:35.28`	`kadrahil`	`hmmph`
`20:35.44`	`kadrahil`	`and most people are getting expertise capped then stacking str and crit like mad`
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`20:38.30`	`TF_Shinja`	`damn, button action for range coloring in domino skyrocketed to 4 Mb O_o`
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`20:38.46`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03pompachomp * r1853 RecipeDB (3 files in 1 directory): added missing Engineering trainer data, Ticket 554`
`20:38.52`	`Repo`	`added missing Blacksmithing trainer data, Ticket 555`
`20:38.56`	`Repo`	`removed incorrect Enchanting trainer data in the Tailoring database`
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`20:50.36`	`Hjalte`	`TF_Shinja: Using separate libs, PB4 is 1.25mb here.`
`20:51.12`	`TF_Shinja`	`yep but in raid and combat, it's not the same =)`
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`20:52.59`	`NeoTron`	`Shefki: false statement since high memory use (in general) cause higher cpu use due to more complex garbage collection`
`20:53.15`	`NeoTron`	`although this time it appears the issue is something else using libs embedded in PB4 :P`
`20:53.46`	`NeoTron`	`or I should say, it's not always true that "memory doesn't matter"`
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`21:03.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`memory usage is a effect not a cause`
`21:03.25`	`Repo`	`10smooth-quest: 03Ammo * r74 SmoothQuest.lua: prevent errors on unknown quests`
`21:03.41`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Jim-Bim * r1854 / (2 files in 2 directories): AckisRecipeList:`
`21:03.44`	`Repo`	`- made "Other Realm" text localizeable and added it to wowace`
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`21:08.17`	`ckknight`	`NeoTron: repeated garbage collection is a CPU churn, but if you make memory and keep it, there's no real issue`
`21:08.47`	`Shefki`	`NeoTron: And GC doesn't happen in combat anymore anyway.`
`21:09.22`	`ckknight`	`anyone have a project with localization namespaces?`
`21:09.44`	`Shefki`	`I wasn't meaning to imply that nobody should ever care about memory. I just meant that memory is not a good performance measurement tool.`
`21:09.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`any Grid experts here?`
`21:10.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://paste.wowace.com/679/ < getting a ton of errors if I'm logging in in combat... Pasta said it shouldn't do that. :(`
`21:10.16`	`Shefki`	`Most people come in here and say "X is using ZOMG memory so it's the reason wow is slow."`
`21:10.36`	`Shefki`	`When it's just as likely that some addon using very little memory is churning CPU time from doing something stupid.`
`21:11.14`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1855 .pkgmeta: Manual changlog enabled for tagging prep.`
`21:12.31`	`NeoTron`	`right I understand the details`
`21:14.09`	`Repo`	`10moncaiqt: 03Moncai * r10 / (3 files in 1 directory): set svn keywords :)`
`21:14.12`	`Repo`	`fix bug with (invisible) linkbutton overlapping itembutton`
`21:14.42`	`Repo`	`10project-14048: 03TimothyLuke * r126 CoreLocals.lua: TW Localisation fixes`
`21:15.16`	`Druidic_Work`	`Is there a good addon or way to monitor/check cpu usage of addons ?`
`21:15.50`	`Xinhuan`	`OptionlessHouse`
`21:16.05`	`Druidic_Work`	`tyvm`
`21:16.15`	`Ackis`	`@project project-14048`
`21:16.16`	`Repo`	`Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-14048/. FuBar_tcgTradeskills. Game: WoW. TimothyLuke (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 days ago`
`21:17.03`	`Shefki`	`Druidic_Work: Fair warning, if you don't know what you're doing the results of that are going to be pretty useless.`
`21:17.46`	`Druidic_Work`	`I see`
`21:18.29`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, the cpu usage of addons are really only meaningful A) in intense moments, such as a 25-man raid boss B) you have all used libraries disembedded`
`21:18.46`	`Shefki`	`More than likely you're running with embeded libs which throws all the results of that off. Because addon A may be using a library embeded in addon B.`
`21:19.31`	`Shefki`	`And even then I've come to the conclusion that WoW sometimes has a strange sense of who should be charged for some CPU time.`
`21:20.24`	`Shefki`	`That said, I use ResourceTools for profiling stuff.`
`21:20.46`	`Shefki`	`Though it bothers me that it says seconds for the CPU column when it means miliseconds.`
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`21:21.27`	`Druidic_Work`	`Well ty for the pointers. You are correct about me knowing what I am doing with the results and the embedded libs. I long time ago I used to run without embedded libs, but as a pretty general user I didn't see a real need.`
`21:22.13`	`Stanzilla`	`Algalon 10-Man World First Kill by Ensidia`
`21:22.15`	`Stanzilla`	`wut`
`21:22.53`	`Xinhuan`	`wut`
`21:23.43`	`NeoTron`	`wow`
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`21:23.51`	`NeoTron`	`that is truely impressive`
`21:24.12`	`Stanzilla`	`2 hours to learn the fight, right?`
`21:24.20`	`NivFreak`	`1 hour`
`21:24.28`	`Stanzilla`	`well it's their second ID`
`21:24.29`	`Stanzilla`	`on him`
`21:24.34`	`Stanzilla`	`I think`
`21:24.49`	`NeoTron`	`perhaps multiple teams?`
`21:24.56`	`NeoTron`	`also they likely have 25 man experience too?`
`21:25.00`	`NivFreak`	`probably`
`21:25.02`	`NeoTron`	`or has no one seen algalon 25 yet?`
`21:25.22`	`NeoTron`	`can't imagine they would just have one group though`
`21:25.42`	`Shefki`	`NeoTron: Don't think anyone has seen it in 25 yet.`
`21:25.58`	`kadrahil`	`i thought ensidia got to algalon 25`
`21:26.15`	`Shefki`	`Maybe they did, they got Hodir pre-nerf.`
`21:26.20`	`NeoTron`	`the dude from ensidia that was here before could probably give more info. don't remember who that was though`
`21:26.22`	`kadrahil`	`:O`
`21:26.34`	`Shefki`	`NeoTron: Name started with a C.`
`21:26.39`	`Shefki`	`Was a hunter... I remember that much.`
`21:26.53`	`Stanzilla`	`http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/may/darkmatter.jpg`
`21:26.54`	`kadrahil`	`i wish i was still playing my hunter :(`
`21:26.55`	`Stanzilla`	`awesome trinket`
`21:26.56`	`kadrahil`	`i miss it`
`21:27.22`	`Stanzilla`	`and ensidia was on alg 25, too`
`21:27.26`	`Stanzilla`	`was/is`
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`21:29.33`	`Caleb\|2`	`we killed it`
`21:29.37`	`Caleb\|2`	`and trinket is 10man`
`21:29.55`	`NeoTron`	`Caleb\|2: ah it was you`
`21:30.20`	`sb\|work`	`ffs`
`21:30.22`	`Stanzilla`	`Caleb\|2: grats :)`
`21:30.24`	`sb\|work`	`yogg 15% :p`
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`21:31.08`	`NeoTron`	`sb\|work: sorry. :-/ we're only at like 65% best case`
`21:31.08`	`Zyndrome`	`swoops in from the sky and nicks the trinket, flying away cackling joyfully`
`21:31.20`	`NeoTron`	`we need to use a broken raid makeup next week to get more dps in theer`
`21:31.54`	`Axodious`	`thorim hard 10 man is a joke`
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`21:32.00`	`NivFreak`	`so I hear`
`21:32.18`	`sb\|work`	`NeoTron: we had too many healers :o`
`21:32.19`	`Axodious`	`we were originally planning on doing it normally, but we got to thorim in the gauntlet with a minute to spare`
`21:32.22`	`Axodious`	`so we said to hell with it`
`21:32.24`	`Axodious`	`and one shot it`
`21:32.25`	`Axodious`	`~_~`
`21:32.25`	`purl`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`21:32.46`	`kadrahil`	`:O`
`21:32.59`	`NeoTron`	`Axodious: we accidently got into hard mode`
`21:33.05`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1856 AckisRecipeList.toc: ToC update.`
`21:33.10`	`NeoTron`	`we didn't get a kill though, I think primarily due to having a grand total of 1 ranged dps`
`21:33.14`	`NeoTron`	`so melee was... crowded`
`21:33.18`	`Axodious`	`lol`
`21:33.30`	`Axodious`	`yeah in 25 its a different story, so little space to spread in`
`21:33.30`	`kadrahil`	`chain lightning hitting 10 people imo`
`21:33.37`	`NeoTron`	`we'll do it intentionally next week - we moved one more dps frmo the corridor and still had to wait not to activate it`
`21:34.11`	`kadrahil`	`hopefully we'll have thorim hard 25 man tonight`
`21:34.16`	`NeoTron`	`I suspect in 25-man it might be useful to have a few more tanks when learning as backups (if you run melee heavy`
`21:34.25`	`kadrahil`	`we got to 26% last night with a few non core dps`
`21:34.29`	`NeoTron`	`kadrahil: we won't try until yoggi is dead`
`21:34.39`	`kadrahil`	`NeoTron: ah`
`21:34.49`	`NeoTron`	`week before last we basically couldnt' do yogg at all because we missed a full night due to attendance :(`
`21:34.57`	`kadrahil`	`ouch`
`21:34.59`	`NeoTron`	`and we only raid 3d/w`
`21:35.21`	`kadrahil`	`we're doing 4d/week right now for hard mode progression`
`21:35.38`	`kadrahil`	`so far we have FL+2 down, freya+1, council medium`
`21:35.38`	`NeoTron`	`we've filled a few spots and I suspect we'll be good for this week`
`21:35.48`	`NeoTron`	`we have FL+2 down`
`21:35.56`	`Axodious`	`in 25`
`21:36.01`	`NeoTron`	`didn't spend much time on Freya+1 yet, nor council medium`
`21:36.02`	`kadrahil`	`this week we're going to work on FL+3, council hard, thorim hard, and freya+2`
`21:36.02`	`Axodious`	`FL+2, freya+1`
`21:36.07`	`Axodious`	`and IC medium`
`21:36.09`	`Repo`	`10skg_web: 03Jabouty * r37 / (7 files in 4 directories):`
`21:36.12`	`Repo`	`Added Enhancement: http://www.wowace.com/projects/skg_web/tickets/5-auto-loading-of-skg-lua-from-directory/`
`21:36.15`	`Repo`	`Will do writeup later.`
`21:36.18`	`kadrahil`	`nice`
`21:36.25`	`Axodious`	`well probably have hodir soon`
`21:36.27`	`kadrahil`	`i'm in a weird position`
`21:36.30`	`NeoTron`	`initial Freya+1 shows that it's a lot harder`
`21:36.40`	`kadrahil`	`i rejoined my guild for hardmode progression and now my gear is behind their melee, so my dps isn't quite as good`
`21:36.46`	`kadrahil`	`but i still get to raid because i bring icy talons`
`21:36.53`	`NeoTron`	`I have 3/4 T8`
`21:37.02`	`NeoTron`	`I just need one more piece and the next patch before I can use it :P`
`21:37.11`	`kadrahil`	`i need 4/5 before i can do any real damage with this spec`
`21:37.45`	`NeoTron`	`even for you, 4/5 T7 is better than T8 until the patch`
`21:37.48`	`NivFreak`	`I got 4pc last night`
`21:37.50`	`kadrahil`	`true`
`21:37.55`	`NivFreak`	`sadly using my terrible helm`
`21:37.58`	`NivFreak`	`so terrible`
`21:37.59`	`NeoTron`	`only not true for Blood`
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`21:38.16`	`NeoTron`	`DK T8 helmet is quite a bit worse than T7 :-/`
`21:38.17`	`kadrahil`	`i need to read up on the patch notes, hmm`
`21:38.28`	`NeoTron`	`I want the pants + shoulders so I can use my t7 helm for now`
`21:38.43`	`NeoTron`	`kadrahil: the only reason 4xt8 will be better is because t7 is being nerfed`
`21:38.48`	`NivFreak`	`warrior t8 tank helm is total trash`
`21:38.48`	`kadrahil`	`NeoTron: ah`
`21:39.04`	`NeoTron`	`I see all these post about how OP ArP is and I get sad`
`21:39.08`	`NeoTron`	`since it's not good for me :P`
`21:39.34`	`NeoTron`	`I need to change my tank spec to frost dps spec`
`21:39.41`	`kadrahil`	`NeoTron: it's getting nerfed slightly`
`21:39.44`	`NeoTron`	`UH sucks for Yogg, relatively speaking`
`21:39.49`	`kadrahil`	`and ArP is still not as good for frost`
`21:39.54`	`NeoTron`	`I know`
`21:40.05`	`NeoTron`	`but our other DK tried blood and frost and frost was best for yogg`
`21:40.15`	`NeoTron`	`uh sucks since the ghoul is lost every time you go into the brain room`
`21:40.16`	`kadrahil`	`because frost strike is only 60% weapon damage and is frost's primary damage dealing ability`
`21:40.22`	`kadrahil`	`arpen would help oblits though`
`21:40.32`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03pompachomp * r1857 RecipeDB/ARL-Jewelcraft.lua: added missing Jewelcrafting trainer data, Ticket 563`
`21:40.43`	`kadrahil`	`ah that does suck`
`21:43.11`	`kadrahil`	`afk going home early`
`21:46.00`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1858 ARLFrame.lua:`
`21:46.03`	`Repo`	`Changed the "Alt Tradeskills" button to hide the menu if nothing has been modified and regenerate it otherwise.`
`21:46.47`	`Repo`	`10recountfailbot: 03Elsia 04v3.1c stable * r15 : Tagging as v3.1c stable`
`21:49.15`	`Repo`	`10recount: 03Elsia 04v3.1e beta * r1059 : Tagging as v3.1e beta`
`21:49.18`	`Repo`	`10tomquest2: 03gagou * r130 / (4 files in 1 directory): few bug fixes`
`21:49.21`	`Repo`	`LibQTip workaround (not releasing tooltip)`
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`21:51.05`	`NivFreak`	`so has anyone figured out a magic graphic setting level that makes mimiron rockets on melee easier to see?`
`21:51.20`	`Pneumatus`	`switch deathknighs off`
`21:51.23`	`NivFreak`	`lol`
`21:51.31`	`NivFreak`	`one that I can actually do ;)`
`21:51.40`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`NivFreak: doesn't bigwigs give a pretty good indicator?`
`21:52.57`	`NivFreak`	`eh?`
`21:53.05`	`NivFreak`	`for his rockets?`
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`21:56.30`	`NeoTron`	`ooh. Tree Style Tab is a nice tab display addon for Firefox`
`21:56.37`	`NeoTron`	`if you regularily run with a lot of tabs, check it out`
`21:56.43`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Torhal * r1859 ARLFrame.lua:`
`21:56.46`	`Repo`	`Fixed menu behavior when clicking the alt-tradeskills button after selecting "Other Realm"`
`21:57.03`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: no, not possible`
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`21:57.15`	`NeoTron`	`only thing you can do is to set particle effects to minimum`
`21:57.21`	`NeoTron`	`so they don't hide the ground`
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`21:57.48`	`NeoTron`	`I even fooled myself into thinking there was a rocket on melee from my own desecration :P`
`21:57.55`	`Repo`	`10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r2065 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: Small Ulduar update`
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`22:00.22`	`NivFreak`	`I wonder if blizzard overlooks shit like this, or if they intend to make it a PITA`
`22:00.44`	`NivFreak`	`also, WTB collision from mimiron so I don't have to constantly be moving out of his model while tanking`
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`22:02.55`	`Hjalte`	`Oh yeah. Moving Mimiron is a so difficult and you need to be able to see the ground beneath you.`
`22:04.10`	`NeoTron`	`considering they "nerfed" the much easier to see void zones in Sartharion`
`22:04.19`	`NeoTron`	`it makes you wonder why they make things that are that hard to see`
`22:04.40`	`NeoTron`	`and that, worse, are invisible if you turn on the feature that shows the ground effects`
`22:04.46`	`NeoTron`	`which they recommend for performance reasons`
`22:05.04`	`NeoTron`	`if they add an option to disable "friendly" ground effects but keep enemy ones, that'd be a lot better`
`22:05.12`	`NotMyNick`	`Neo - I don't know about you, but the fire waves in Sartharion are now much harder to see`
`22:05.19`	`NivFreak`	`lol`
`22:05.23`	`NivFreak`	`yea,`
`22:05.26`	`NivFreak`	`I ran that on my alt`
`22:05.31`	`NivFreak`	`the waves are flashing in and out`
`22:05.36`	`NivFreak`	`wtf did they do`
`22:05.46`	`Hjalte`	`It's there, it's not there, it's there, it's not there...`
`22:05.56`	`NivFreak`	`yea, that has to be a bug`
`22:06.02`	`NotMyNick`	`If it was a bug it would be fixed by now`
`22:06.04`	`NotMyNick`	`Been two batches since`
`22:06.05`	`Repo`	`10fubar_tcgtradeskills: 03TimothyLuke * r127 FuBar_tcgTradeskills.toc: Triggering Subversion build from new stub`
`22:06.15`	`NivFreak`	`lol`
`22:06.19`	`NivFreak`	`you way over estimate blizzard`
`22:07.11`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: seriously? I haven't been back since ulduar`
`22:07.19`	`SaladFork`	`Yeah, they're absolutely insane`
`22:07.22`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: yea, it's weful`
`22:07.24`	`SaladFork`	`Randomly appear and dissappear`
`22:07.26`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: I laughed my ass off`
`22:07.33`	`NivFreak`	`it pulses as it moves`
`22:08.40`	`NeoTron`	`that's wickedly horrible`
`22:08.53`	`NeoTron`	`only thing that was worse probably is when I did that fight with about 1 frame every other second`
`22:09.10`	`NeoTron`	`seriously, not sure what happened but some addon ws using increasing amount of cpu getting my fps down from 60 to less than 1.`
`22:09.16`	`NivFreak`	`I sort of feel like the general quality of WoW is getting worse each patch`
`22:09.20`	`NivFreak`	`but maybe I'm just grumpy`
`22:09.22`	`NeoTron`	`it was VERY hard to avoid the waves when they aer shown like 4 times before they hit you`
`22:09.38`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: they have always had such snafus`
`22:09.47`	`NivFreak`	`I'm trying to figure out why I can go from 100fps to 15fps when I pull a raid boss in 25mans...`
`22:09.53`	`NeoTron`	`remember Karazhan... A certain effect that went boom if you moved yes?`
`22:09.59`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03pompachomp * r1860 RecipeDB/ARL-Inscription.lua:`
`22:09.59`	`NeoTron`	`that was triggered by pets`
`22:10.01`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: aran was fun`
`22:10.01`	`NeoTron`	`and fixed`
`22:10.01`	`Repo`	`fixed incorrect skill level of some Inscription items, Ticket 573`
`22:10.04`	`NeoTron`	`and readded`
`22:10.04`	`NeoTron`	`and fix`
`22:10.07`	`NeoTron`	`and readded`
`22:10.17`	`NeoTron`	`I think the pet bug reappeared at least 3 times`
`22:10.20`	`Hjalte`	`NivFreak: Same problem I had in the beginning of WotLK. I bought a new computer :>`
`22:10.25`	`NeoTron`	`and similarily with invulnerability effects`
`22:10.39`	`NeoTron`	`another thing that was fun`
`22:10.50`	`NeoTron`	`remember Turbo A'lar?`
`22:11.08`	`NeoTron`	`Hello Meteor every 20s`
`22:11.09`	`NivFreak`	`Hjalte: this is a 2.66ghz core i7 with 6 gigs of ram and a GTX 285, intel SSD drive ...`
`22:11.23`	`Hjalte`	`NivFreak: Then something is wrong.`
`22:11.28`	`NivFreak`	`Hjalte: clearly....`
`22:11.46`	`NivFreak`	`I'm honestly not sure how to figure it out without a binary search during raid`
`22:11.56`	`NivFreak`	`which doesn't work out well while I'm tanking`
`22:12.14`	`Axodious`	`did you bother updating the gfx drivers?`
`22:12.18`	`NivFreak`	`of course`
`22:12.22`	`Axodious`	`k`
`22:12.28`	`Axodious`	`bout the only thing i can think of`
`22:12.32`	`NivFreak`	`and like I said, I'm > 100fps in the zone, until I pull`
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`22:12.42`	`Axodious`	`try disabling addons?`
`22:12.46`	`NivFreak`	`see above`
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`22:13.42`	`NivFreak`	`I really wish I knew a decent way to profile addon CPU time`
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`22:13.56`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1861 RecipeDB (3 files in 1 directory):`
`22:14.11`	`Repo`	`Fix speciality error with first aid and smelting. Add ethereal oil item to alchemy.`
`22:14.26`	`NivFreak`	`it'll probably end up being SBF or MSBT that's fucking me over ;)`
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`22:15.05`	`SaladFork`	`Hmm... why does my friend's Macbook Pro (with identical hardware as my HP laptop) get 40fps more in raids? (~50fps vs. ~10fps)`
`22:15.09`	`SaladFork`	`Stupid HP`
`22:15.16`	`NivFreak`	`OSX`
`22:15.21`	`SaladFork`	`He plays it on Windows, T_T`
`22:15.25`	`Axodious`	`you pop open taskman (or variation of depending on OS) to make sure its wow going haywire`
`22:15.35`	`SaladFork`	`Axod - CPU at 99%, graphics card maxed out`
`22:15.39`	`SaladFork`	`Settings are identical, same addons`
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`22:16.13`	`Axodious`	`i was talking to niv, but anyways lol, yeah hes using osx`
`22:16.21`	`Axodious`	`er`
`22:16.22`	`Axodious`	`aiodfjnaofd`
`22:16.28`	`Axodious`	`wow i completely ignored what you replied`
`22:16.41`	`Axodious`	`my bad -_-`
`22:16.50`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1862 RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua: Fix a few enchanting recipes.`
`22:16.52`	`Axodious`	`same version of windows then i take it`
`22:16.58`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: it's definitely most likely some sort of addon that does something with combat log events`
`22:17.11`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: as a note I do use MSBT and I don't think that'd be it`
`22:17.18`	`SaladFork`	`Windows XP SP3`
`22:17.27`	`Axodious`	`ugh xp`
`22:17.28`	`SaladFork`	`I reinstalled it on a clean partition to make sure it wasnt random installed junk causing it`
`22:17.31`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: I guess I can grep through and see all of what's attaching combat log filters`
`22:17.37`	`SaladFork`	`Downgraded from Vista, =P`
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`22:17.43`	`NeoTron`	`Axodious: thing is on a core i7, WoW will use like 13% CPU :P`
`22:17.56`	`NeoTron`	`I installed Windows 7 again`
`22:17.58`	`Axodious`	`it could be 1) drivers 2) spamware or w/e or 3) A/V software`
`22:18.03`	`Axodious`	`i <3 7`
`22:18.14`	`NeoTron`	`it's workign fine except excessive load lag in Dalaran`
`22:18.15`	`SaladFork`	`Again, clean partition (so no spamware or A/V)`
`22:18.20`	`SaladFork`	`Drivers are up to date`
`22:18.23`	`NeoTron`	`basically short lockups as data is loaded which I don't see under Vista`
`22:18.29`	`NeoTron`	`not sure what could possibly do that`
`22:18.36`	`NivFreak`	`Axodious: I doubt external softare is the problem considering it aligns completely with combat ;P`
`22:18.44`	`Axodious`	`lol`
`22:18.49`	`Axodious`	`getting mixed into 2 convos`
`22:18.53`	`Axodious`	`i was talking to salad there`
`22:19.08`	`SaladFork`	`I think its just the cheap HP hardware, hoenstly. I paid $1400 for my laptop and he $3200 for his`
`22:19.13`	`Axodious`	`yours might be up to date, but are they the same as his`
`22:19.19`	`SaladFork`	`Yep`
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`22:20.15`	`Axodious`	`sounds like badh ardware then`
`22:20.20`	`Axodious`	`or firmware`
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`22:20.36`	`SaladFork`	`makes a mental note to buy a macbook as his next laptop`
`22:20.37`	`NeoTron`	`SaladFork: could be bad ventilation leading to overheating leading to throttling`
`22:21.03`	`Axodious`	`are you using the identical copy of wow on both computers? like copy/paste the folder from one to the other`
`22:21.07`	`Axodious`	`if not try running a wowrepair`
`22:21.30`	`SaladFork`	`I thought it might be ventilation, but my laptop is far from hot`
`22:21.34`	`Axodious`	`and yeah what neo said, could also be some unique feature in hp laptops freaking out constantly throttling for no reason`
`22:21.35`	`NeoTron`	`SaladFork: and to be clear here, addons are not the factor?`
`22:21.44`	`SaladFork`	`NeoTron - identical addons, identical versions`
`22:22.01`	`NeoTron`	`is out-of-raid performance similar then?`
`22:22.02`	`SaladFork`	`Well, my HP power adapter already blew up and I had to solder it and put it in a cardboard box covered in electric tape for it to work`
`22:22.06`	`SaladFork`	`Neo - mmhm`
`22:22.12`	`NivFreak`	`your real mistake was buying an HP laptop`
`22:22.22`	`Axodious`	`^`
`22:22.29`	`Axodious`	`what do you mean`
`22:22.29`	`SaladFork`	`Niv - I'm a poor college kid, a kickass new laptop for $1400 seemed like an awesome idea at the time`
`22:22.31`	`Axodious`	`blew up?`
`22:22.55`	`SaladFork`	`Axodious - it made chirping noises for a few days before refusing to work. I plugged it in one more time and one end of the cable literally ceased to exist`
`22:23.07`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1863 / (2 files in 2 directories): Other Realm -> Other Realms`
`22:23.08`	`Axodious`	`thats probably your problem then...`
`22:23.16`	`Axodious`	`it was plugged into your laptop when it happend aye?`
`22:23.41`	`SaladFork`	`Yeah, but I sent the laptop in and they said it was unharmed. Functions fine, charges normally`
`22:23.57`	`Axodious`	`lol, i never believe them when tehy say stuff like that >_>`
`22:24.10`	`Axodious`	`chances are it sent a surge to the laptop and fried something`
`22:24.15`	`Axodious`	`not to the point of breaking it but`
`22:24.23`	`SaladFork`	`Oh well, live and learn. You get what you pay for`
`22:24.27`	`Axodious`	`pretty much`
`22:24.49`	`NivFreak`	`well`
`22:24.55`	`NivFreak`	`that's not strictly true`
`22:25.09`	`NivFreak`	`you can often pay a lot for terrible quality things ;)`
`22:25.13`	`SaladFork`	`True, the apple laptops are marked up quite a bit. AND THEY DONT HAVE A FREAKING NUMPAD`
`22:25.16`	`rubik`	`hahah... wow.. that Mother Lover song they aired on SNL.. so wrong but so damn funny`
`22:25.17`	`SaladFork`	`Although the student discount is nice`
`22:25.20`	`NeoTron`	`I paid $2000 for my desktop. It works fine (from a rather no-name place) :P`
`22:25.23`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis 041.0RC8 * r1864 : Tagging as 1.0 RC8, lots of fixes this time around.`
`22:25.33`	`Axodious`	`i build my own`
`22:25.39`	`NivFreak`	`rubik: my wife was dying over it`
`22:25.39`	`NeoTron`	`most likely if the place remains most/all my future computer buys will be from them`
`22:25.43`	`SaladFork`	`Honestly, the lack of a numpad is the only thing stopping me from buying one right now and writing it off into my student loans`
`22:25.46`	`NeoTron`	`I used to build my own but I simply don't have the time anymore`
`22:25.54`	`NivFreak`	`SaladFork: you really 10key that much? :P`
`22:25.55`	`SaladFork`	`I build my own PCs, but I wont build laptops, =P`
`22:26.02`	`SaladFork`	`niv - I use my numpad like a mofo`
`22:26.09`	`NeoTron`	`the markup for this was rahter minor compared to the components so it was worth it`
`22:26.10`	`SaladFork`	`Especially for things like entering in numbers more than 1 digit long`
`22:26.21`	`SaladFork`	`Passwords, ID numbers, Blizz Authenticator keys, etc.`
`22:26.22`	`Axodious`	`tbh if i wanted a laptop id probably just get am acbook/eepc`
`22:26.26`	`Axodious`	`not looking to play games on it etc`
`22:26.34`	`rubik`	`NivFreak: yeah.. same here.. i'm not much of a justin timberlake fan but the guy sure is a genius when it comes to putting all those digital shorts/songs together`
`22:26.36`	`Repo`	`10arl: 03Ackis * r1865 / (2 files in 1 directory): Move svn version to RC9 and turn off change log.`
`22:26.41`	`NeoTron`	`yeah I'd never buy a laptop to game on`
`22:26.48`	`NivFreak`	`I have a 17" MBP, I used to raid on it quite a bit, but it just wasn't keeping up with ulduar`
`22:26.48`	`Axodious`	`lol i still remember, my room mate had a video card that was notched wrong for voltage`
`22:26.55`	`Axodious`	`threw it in, turned on the computer`
`22:26.55`	`Repo`	`10expeller: 03starkebn * r23 Expeller.lua: Expeller:`
`22:26.58`	`NeoTron`	`what I really would like is to buy a mac pro but apple is just rather disappointing in their hardware department`
`22:26.59`	`Repo`	`- Fixed typo - now works properly in 3.1.2`
`22:26.59`	`Axodious`	`blew flames shot out of it`
`22:27.05`	`SaladFork`	`I thought the same thing, and didnt install a single game on it for almost 6 months. Now it's pretty kickass being able to game with friends and such without lugging a desktop around`
`22:27.12`	`NeoTron`	`slow updates, no price decreases during the life of the product generation etc`
`22:27.17`	`Axodious`	`surprisingly the card still worked, just the moment you tried to put in under stress (d3d etc) bsod`
`22:27.32`	`NeoTron`	`and worst of all they don't have a non-professional desktop`
`22:27.36`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: they graphics in the mac pros are what keep me away`
`22:27.39`	`rubik`	`dell just had that xps M1730 for $950ish... 9800m gt's in sli and all that`
`22:27.51`	`Axodious`	`ugh nvidia`
`22:27.52`	`Axodious`	`>_>`
`22:27.56`	`NeoTron`	`I want a Mac Desktop, single CPU Core i7 with gaming graphics... not a Mac Pro that is way too "scalable" for my needs and priced thereafter`
`22:28.05`	`Axodious`	`since their 9x series ive stayed away`
`22:28.10`	`SaladFork`	`rubik - my friend has a dell XPS laptop. His power brick is bigger than my laptop`
`22:28.28`	`SaladFork`	`And if his computer isnt plugged in, you're lucky if the battery lasts long enough for you to move the cursor`
`22:28.40`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: I've been tempted to try and hackintosh my desktop for that very reason`
`22:28.43`	`SaladFork`	`By the way, what is the deal with the two graphics card? Honestly?`
`22:28.47`	`rubik`	`haha.. yeah but as long as you don't travel with it, it's fine.. their XPS laptops aren't meant as ultra-light/portable`
`22:28.48`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: I tried last night`
`22:28.52`	`NeoTron`	`installed but doesn't boot.. yet`
`22:28.54`	`SaladFork`	`Niv - I've got a hackintosh setup here. Doesnt help much, =P`
`22:28.56`	`NeoTron`	`I'll get it working though`
`22:29.01`	`SaladFork`	`I use it for iPhone development`
`22:29.04`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: not because I don't want to spend the money, I can afford a mac pro, but they don't have the config I'd like`
`22:29.15`	`SaladFork`	`Having to hack drivers for it means it runs suboptimally, really`
`22:29.19`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: is theer a core i7 one yet?`
`22:29.29`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: not sure, graphics are always the thing stopping me`
`22:29.37`	`SaladFork`	`rubik - Being a student, my laptop goes everywhere I do. My friend simply drags it behind us, =P`
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`22:30.15`	`SaladFork`	`I found it funny how I bought a Windows Vista laptop and now it's dual boot Windows XP SP3 and Mac OS X 10.5.6`
`22:30.15`	`SaladFork`	`=P`
`22:30.36`	`NivFreak`	`well generally I just stick to my laptop`
`22:30.44`	`NivFreak`	`I've started playing WoW on my vista box`
`22:30.59`	`NivFreak`	`I tried windows 7 on it, had worse performance than vista and went back (surprising to me)`
`22:31.08`	`SaladFork`	`really? interesting`
`22:31.18`	`Axodious`	`i gotta say`
`22:31.23`	`Axodious`	`takes ab it geting use to the new taskbar etc`
`22:31.26`	`Axodious`	`but windows 7 is nice`
`22:31.37`	`NivFreak`	`I assume my performance issues were driver related`
`22:32.17`	`NivFreak`	`I see the RC is on MSDN now, maybe I'll try it again soon`
`22:32.32`	`rubik`	`i forgot to check in win7 but did they fix the windows explorer windows madness?`
`22:32.37`	`Axodious`	`im running the rc`
`22:32.46`	`Axodious`	`like 10% performance gain over the last beta`
`22:33.04`	`rubik`	`(i.e. vista explorer windows looking like shit with a bunch of annoyances vs. xp)`
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`22:33.39`	`SaladFork`	`Am I the only one who always switches to Classic View everytime it's available? :D`
`22:33.39`	`Axodious`	`other than like new taskbar design`
`22:33.44`	`Axodious`	`7 really isnt that idfferent than vista`
`22:33.49`	`Axodious`	`but its quick and stable`
`22:33.50`	`Axodious`	`unlike 7`
`22:33.57`	`Axodious`	`er`
`22:33.58`	`Axodious`	`vista`
`22:34.31`	`rubik`	`there's no classic view for windows explorer in vista/7, is there?`
`22:34.43`	`Axodious`	`what do you mean classic`
`22:34.44`	`SaladFork`	`oh god, there goes my upgrade choice`
`22:34.50`	`rubik`	`hell, it doesn't even remember sorting or one-view-for-all-windows settings`
`22:34.56`	`NeoTron`	`I tried RC and it does work fine`
`22:35.09`	`NeoTron`	`however the loading lag in dalaran is still there which is unique to w7`
`22:35.11`	`rubik`	`no path in address bar OR window title`
`22:35.22`	`Axodious`	`oyu can turn on path`
`22:35.22`	`NeoTron`	`that said, Windows 7 is faster than Windows XP on my old Athlon XP 3000 bos`
`22:35.26`	`Axodious`	`but the window title idk`
`22:35.27`	`rubik`	`etc.. ALL fucked up.. whoever was in charge of vista's windows explorer was fired, i'm sure`
`22:35.31`	`SaladFork`	`whaaaa? You're kidding me Neo`
`22:35.57`	`Axodious`	`i doubt that rubik`
`22:36.10`	`Axodious`	`avg users dont really care about window titles & pathing`
`22:36.16`	`Axodious`	`they click everything >_<`
`22:36.20`	`SaladFork`	`He's just on server watching night duty, =P`
`22:36.24`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`you click/start editing the bar to get the path`
`22:36.34`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`w7's supposed to've fixed it not remembering settings`
`22:36.39`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`but I don't know about that.`
`22:36.52`	`rubik`	`Sliker_Hawk: i know that (click or alt-d to view path/copy it) but you shouldn't have to`
`22:37.27`	`Axodious`	`i know the people i work for prefer the vista explorer bar than xp`
`22:37.32`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`well I've never encountered a need for it other than copying reeeally.. which involves clicking it of course`
`22:37.42`	`Axodious`	`they said they didnt care about the mumbo jumo in the bar, they just wanted to know where tehy were`
`22:37.46`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`never seemed like a problem but I suppose`
`22:38.58`	`Axodious`	`anyway`
`22:39.01`	`Axodious`	`theres a way to show path in it`
`22:39.06`	`Axodious`	`and if you want the title bar that bad`
`22:39.10`	`Axodious`	`switch to classic theme`
`22:39.41`	`rubik`	`and if you want it to remember settings (i.e. show all windows as 'Detailed' view, sorted by name), switch to XP?`
`22:39.58`	`Axodious`	`theres a way to set that too`
`22:40.17`	`rubik`	`no there isn't.. not a way that sticks`
`22:40.17`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`I like how switching to classic just made it show the menu bar and nothing else`
`22:40.18`	`rubik`	`it's limited to 2000 total folders.. cached in the registry`
`22:40.33`	`rubik`	`and if you copy a file from one folder to another, it doesn't re-sort (i.e. by name) after the copy`
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`22:40.56`	`Kuja^`	`hmm, seems like the plkayer bar texture dosn't update probaly since the last update`
`22:41.02`	`Axodious`	`theres a folder views thing you use in vista/7 to set defaults for all folders, dunno how well it works though never had to use it`
`22:41.09`	`Repo`	`10heatsink: 03durcyn * r194 Heatsink.lua: bugfix`
`22:41.30`	`Kuja^`	`s/plkayer bar texture/player bar texture in pb4/`
`22:41.33`	`Axodious`	`hell if you want you can show the full path in the title bar in classic theme on 7`
`22:42.04`	`SaladFork`	`So, does WoW really run better on OS X than Windows?`
`22:42.18`	`Axodious`	`i dont think its direct like that`
`22:42.35`	`Axodious`	`its a correlation of bulkware (windows) vs clean setup (osx)`
`22:42.57`	`Axodious`	`on windows 9/10 times you need to have this and that installed to get it to run properly`
`22:43.07`	`Axodious`	`osx, not so much`
`22:43.29`	`NivFreak`	`SaladFork: I have had a better experience with it`
`22:43.37`	`NivFreak`	`especially if you play windowed`
`22:43.51`	`SaladFork`	`Hmm`
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`22:43.56`	`NivFreak`	`but I won't pretend I've run tons of benchmarks ;P`
`22:44.05`	`SaladFork`	`I'm planning on buying a macbook beginning of '10`
`22:44.09`	`SaladFork`	`Thanks for reaffirming it, =P`
`22:44.17`	`NivFreak`	`macbook will fail you`
`22:44.22`	`SaladFork`	`?`
`22:44.23`	`NivFreak`	`pro might make you happy:)`
`22:44.26`	`Axodious`	`need mbp`
`22:44.28`	`Axodious`	`^^`
`22:44.28`	`SaladFork`	`I meant Macbook Pro*, =P`
`22:44.30`	`SaladFork`	`17"`
`22:44.44`	`SaladFork`	`Although I still dont get this whole 2 gfx card thing`
`22:44.46`	`NivFreak`	`I don't know about these new track pads though`
`22:44.55`	`NivFreak`	`and I hate the new keyboards`
`22:45.07`	`Axodious`	`the ones with the spaces in between all the keyts?`
`22:45.22`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`22:45.26`	`Axodious`	`i like the idea, prevents me from fat fingering keys like i do all the time`
`22:45.30`	`NivFreak`	`and also, non-removable battery == fail`
`22:45.36`	`Axodious`	`ew, dont like that`
`22:45.39`	`SaladFork`	`Niv - all new keyboard are annoying until you get used to them. I'm at ~120wpm on my PC keyboard, ~140wpm on my laptop, and ~40wpm on my iPhone, =P`
`22:45.57`	`SaladFork`	`each one is pretty different and I hated it at first`
`22:46.02`	`NivFreak`	`SaladFork: you have to try it to understand I think :)`
`22:46.14`	`SaladFork`	`Oh dear, maybe a trip to the Apple store will change my mind, eh?`
`22:46.16`	`SaladFork`	`And still, NO NUMPAD`
`22:46.17`	`SaladFork`	`Egads`
`22:46.24`	`SaladFork`	`You have more than enough room on a freaking 17" laptop`
`22:46.29`	`SaladFork`	`hell, my silly HP toy has it`
`22:46.30`	`NivFreak`	`buy a USB 10key if that really matters to you :P`
`22:46.37`	`SaladFork`	`I own one`
`22:46.42`	`NivFreak`	`there ya go`
`22:46.46`	`SaladFork`	`But that's only really useful if you setup your laptop and use it in one place for a while`
`22:46.49`	`SaladFork`	`Horrible for mobility`
`22:47.00`	`SaladFork`	`And again, I take my laptop everywhere as a student. Classes, computer labs, home, etc.`
`22:47.01`	`SaladFork`	`Always moving`
`22:47.03`	`NivFreak`	`using a 10key as a purchasing criteria for a laptop will give you a headache`
`22:47.11`	`SaladFork`	`I know, =(`
`22:47.15`	`SaladFork`	`But ofr a 17" laptop?!`
`22:47.17`	`SaladFork`	`for*`
`22:47.17`	`NivFreak`	`I've been down this road before`
`22:47.20`	`NivFreak`	`yes`
`22:47.29`	`Axodious`	`personally as far as a laptop goes i dont think theres much of a point in getting anything other than a mac, (eepc = netbook != laptop!)`
`22:47.37`	`SaladFork`	`Although I must say I do love how switching out the RAM doesnt void your APple warrant,y :D`
`22:47.45`	`NivFreak`	`SaladFork: that's a myth`
`22:47.47`	`NivFreak`	`oh`
`22:47.49`	`NivFreak`	`nm`
`22:47.52`	`NivFreak`	`I read that backwards`
`22:47.55`	`SaladFork`	`Lol`
`22:47.57`	`Axodious`	`its easy to use, doesnt require 50 billion drivers and they tend to be smaller than most`
`22:48.05`	`NivFreak`	`less spaces axodious`
`22:48.09`	`SaladFork`	`Axo - careful, we're discussing the laptop itself, not Mac OS`
`22:48.26`	`SaladFork`	`I have Mac OS on my HP laptop right now, =P`
`22:48.27`	`NivFreak`	`I guess your ' are just not coming through for me ;)`
`22:48.27`	`SaladFork`	`100% functional`
`22:48.30`	`Axodious`	`im discussing it as the mac experience`
`22:48.35`	`SaladFork`	`lol`
`22:48.43`	`SaladFork`	`Then I better go to starbucks and look stuck up, eh?`
`22:48.46`	`SaladFork`	`I kid, I kid`
`22:48.53`	`Axodious`	`lol`
`22:49.14`	`NivFreak`	`I'm pretty OS indifferent now days`
`22:49.26`	`SaladFork`	`Silly silly question, but I assume 100% of WoW addons work with BOTH systems? (assuming they dont have some sort of additional utility that requires a .exe or .app)`
`22:49.26`	`NivFreak`	`I use windows/OSX/Linux at a fairly even split`
`22:49.30`	`Axodious`	`i am, to an extent`
`22:49.32`	`NivFreak`	`SaladFork: yes`
`22:49.33`	`SaladFork`	`Niv - same here, tbh`
`22:49.47`	`Axodious`	`i dont think i would use osx on a desktop, but vise versa on a laptop`
`22:49.51`	`NivFreak`	`I actually sync my addons/WTF folders between my mac and PC`
`22:50.02`	`SaladFork`	`Hmmm... I wonder if WebDKP Sync will play nicely with a mac install (via Crossover or something)`
`22:50.05`	`NivFreak`	`since CC has randomly failed/lagged on mac`
`22:50.25`	`SaladFork`	`Niv - I have an SVN server setup just for /Interface/Addons and /WTF, =P`
`22:50.36`	`NivFreak`	`that's insane ;)`
`22:50.53`	`SaladFork`	`Not really, I have almost everything I own on an SVN server. Old projects, homework assignments, etc.`
`22:50.57`	`SaladFork`	`It is surprisingly awesome`
`22:51.09`	`SaladFork`	`"Ooh, if only I had that code I wrote from 2001 to look at...." oh wait i do`
`22:51.10`	`NivFreak`	`the nightmare of making sure all that shit gets an SVN add`
`22:51.25`	`SaladFork`	`Niv - Well, most of my filesystem stuff is done via Mercurial, which just kicks ass`
`22:51.29`	`NivFreak`	`for content you create yourself sure it's great`
`22:51.30`	`SaladFork`	`SVN is mostly for code-related projects`
`22:51.51`	`SaladFork`	`And I even went the extra distance and made the addons in my Interface folder be svn-externals that auto-update when I check out`
`22:51.52`	`SaladFork`	`BOOYAH`
`22:53.36`	`Repo`	`10better-quest: 03Kemayo * r160 modules/blizzard/blizzard.lua:`
`22:53.39`	`Repo`	`Fix up quest log levels so they're not so annoyingly fragile. (I'm not sure what I was thinking when I wrote the original version of this...)`
`22:53.51`	`Repo`	`10wowequip: 03grum 07master * Beta1.0-27-g55fb026 WoWEquip.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed examiner support, whatever Examiner knows about the person will get imported. Also works for cached characters.`
`22:54.29`	`Axodious`	`whats examiner?`
`22:54.39`	`NivFreak`	`an inspect addon`
`22:54.43`	`Axodious`	`@describe examiner`
`22:54.45`	`Repo`	`Axodious: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/examiner/. Examiner. Examiner - An Advanced Inspection Mod With Examiner, you can check other players gear, talents, achievements, honor and arena team details. When you inspect someone, it will show a stat summery of all...`
`22:55.35`	`SaladFork`	`woah, hats pretty badass`
`22:55.42`	`SaladFork`	`Although.. "item slot values"?`
`22:55.56`	`rubik`	`although i wish its talent window would hook into Talented or something`
`22:56.09`	`Kemayo`	`[Ammo]: Elkano mentioned SmoothQuest earlier -- I think I remember that it was using a QUEST_LOG_UPDATE scanner based on Quixote's. If so, there's a new objective-type that it might not be handling: "player".`
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`22:59.02`	`Repo`	`10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * ebe8fee / (3 files in 2 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated)`
`22:59.05`	`Repo`	`ebe8fee: Helps if you actually pass the new parameters to make the optmization`
`22:59.08`	`Repo`	`eaa3549: More config mode optimizaiton, avoid repeated ForceUnitFrameCreation`
`22:59.11`	`Repo`	`0a3d8c6: Limit the number of frames made for main tank filtered raid groups, 40`
`22:59.14`	`Repo`	`6c52e65: Optomize entering config mode, going straight into a 40 man configmode`
`23:05.01`	`Repo`	`10mill-help: 03Starinnia * r77 MillHelp.lua: -fix zhCN and zhTW translations`
`23:05.04`	`Repo`	`-adjust all translations to use the same spacing on new lines`
`23:07.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`SaladFork: get with the times, my WTF is in a git repo and ive got filters setup to pre sort all lua tables so diffs are only created when a change actually happens`
`23:07.49`	`SaladFork`	`Arrow - you.. wha... uh... gah`
`23:07.57`	`Axodious`	`rofl`
`23:08.00`	`Axodious`	`that response was amazing`
`23:08.39`	`SaladFork`	`Although that sorting seems fishy`
`23:08.48`	`SaladFork`	You can't do a line by line sorting like a command line `sort` would do
`23:08.52`	`thul`	`the rain will kill us all.`
`23:08.57`	`SaladFork`	`Most be some fancy shmancy stuff you got there`
`23:09.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`no i load the saved vars into lua using loadstring() then do a custom pretty print that sorts`
`23:09.38`	`SaladFork`	`You crazy crazy man.`
`23:09.39`	`SaladFork`	`I love it`
`23:09.41`	`SaladFork`	`And I'm so jealous`
`23:10.03`	`Arrowmaster`	AddOn.txt which keeps the list of enabled and disabled addons per character is run through just `sort` though
`23:10.26`	`Axodious`	`you lua addicts`
`23:10.35`	`SaladFork`	`Arrow - I use Addon Control Panel for keeping track of what's on/off per character. It's kickass since it lets you save addon "sets"`
`23:10.42`	`SaladFork`	`ie: My mage has a "raiding" and a "general" set`
`23:10.59`	`SaladFork`	`lets me switch between bloat such as auctioneer and cartographer and a sleek lightweight raiding UI`
`23:11.05`	`SaladFork`	`with one press and a reloadUI`
`23:11.05`	`SaladFork`	`:D`
`23:11.19`	`SaladFork`	`And the settings would be saved along with all your addons`
`23:13.32`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`Is there.. a current action bar addon which either: makes it own bars (but isn't bloated) or allows you to 'split' the default bars?`
`23:14.44`	`Axodious`	`what do you mean split`
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`23:16.21`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`like, say, I've got a single 12 button bar on dominos, I'd like to somehow split it into two six button bars that can be configured like seperate bars but not actually be different bars because then there isn't enough room for druid forms`
`23:16.26`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`.. if that makes sense`
`23:16.44`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`I've made my own addon that does exactly that, I'd just prefer one from someone who knows what they're doing.`
`23:16.47`	`NivFreak`	`trinitybars will probably do what you want`
`23:16.49`	`NivFreak`	`if you can stand it`
`23:17.33`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`Replaced by macaroon, apparently`
`23:17.39`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`and no, I couldn't`
`23:18.18`	`NivFreak`	`you just want a set of non-blizzard action bars right?`
`23:18.31`	`NivFreak`	`I went through this on my warrior as well`
`23:18.40`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`well, I suppose`
`23:18.59`	`NivFreak`	`trinity bars was the closest thing I could find to what I wanted`
`23:19.07`	`NivFreak`	`but it had bugs with some of the ways that I use bars`
`23:19.21`	`NivFreak`	`and the config interface was horrid`
`23:19.35`	`NivFreak`	`like, it made pitbull's config look simple`
`23:19.56`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`Indeed`
`23:21.23`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`Well maybe I'll try a bit harder. I had the main set up but I couldn't use two of the same button. Which I seem to like doing`
`23:21.50`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`It's just my main bar is 6, larger-than-normal buttons which alt-mod to the last 6 buttons of that bar`
`23:21.55`	`NivFreak`	`you're a clicker?`
`23:22.07`	`Axodious`	`for some reason`
`23:22.09`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`No, so I can see cooldowns`
`23:22.18`	`Axodious`	`the kramer rap just went through my head, with the word clicker in place`
`23:27.44`	`Repo`	`Announcement from my owner (ckknight): I can't let you do that, aesir`
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`23:28.00`	`NivFreak`	`Sliker_Hawk: there was an addon I used to use called cooldown buttons I think?`
`23:28.13`	`NivFreak`	`although it may do the inverse of what you want`
`23:28.42`	`NivFreak`	`I seem to recall I had it setup to display my CD icons`
`23:29.00`	`NivFreak`	`you might check it out and see if it fits your needs`
`23:29.14`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`Oh, I've got dottimers displaying it though I never asked it do, I'm just having trouble switching from button-watching`
`23:29.41`	`NivFreak`	`right, cooldown buttons gives you the icon instead of a bar, I found that easier`
`23:29.47`	`NivFreak`	`it's much like watching the buttons ;)`
`23:30.12`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`clues in the name then`
`23:30.18`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`I'll have a look then, thanks`
`23:30.31`	`NivFreak`	`np`
`23:30.35`	`ckknight`	`beta.wowace.com now supports everything project-related, I believe`
`23:30.40`	`ckknight`	`pages, polls, localization`
`23:31.31`	`Repo`	`10priorityqueue: 03bastetswarrior * r35 / (3 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 4 lines)`
`23:31.34`	`Repo`	`PriorityQueue:-`
`23:31.37`	`Repo`	`Options.lua`
`23:31.40`	`Repo`	`Added subfunction to generate getPriority and setPriority functions.`
`23:31.43`	`Repo`	`PriorityQueue.lua`
`23:31.51`	`SaladFork`	`ckknight - No.`
`23:31.56`	`ckknight`	`?`
`23:32.03`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`23:32.14`	`SaladFork`	`Gah, once again you have bested me, good sir.`
`23:32.26`	`ckknight`	`I consider this an honorable bout.`
`23:32.31`	`SaladFork`	`Likewise`
`23:32.40`	`Pneumatus`	`is beta.wowace.com supposed to look broken?`
`23:32.45`	`rubik`	`beta.wowace.com is all kinds of broken i think.. or is supposed to look like that?`
`23:32.46`	`Repo`	`10incubator: 03Morgalm * r190 / (3 files in 1 directory): Incubator:`
`23:32.49`	`Repo`	`- fix timer spam format`
`23:32.56`	`rubik`	`haha`
`23:33.15`	`Pneumatus`	`it looks like its missing a stylesheet or something`
`23:33.27`	`Pneumatus`	`and the poll is borked`
`23:33.31`	`Pneumatus`	`in FF`
`23:33.42`	`Repo`	`10priorityqueue: 03bastetswarrior * r36 Locales/Locale-enUS.lua: PriorityQueue:-`
`23:33.42`	`rubik`	`yeah.. i even tried IE(8) but it's even more broken there (some scripting error)`
`23:33.45`	`Repo`	`Forgot to upload extra warlock strings for Banish Focus and Fear Focus.`
`23:34.14`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: front page.`
`23:34.19`	`ckknight`	`don't look at the front page.`
`23:34.20`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`.. is it fixed now?`
`23:34.25`	`ckknight`	`http://beta.wowace.com/projects/`
`23:34.27`	`ckknight`	`start there`
`23:34.31`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`ah`
`23:34.39`	`rubik`	`ahh`
`23:34.40`	`ckknight`	`I haven't done the front page yet, is all`
`23:34.59`	`Pneumatus`	`aha`
`23:35.17`	`Pneumatus`	`is the top part still WiP as well?`
`23:35.21`	`Pneumatus`	`or is that finished?`
`23:35.29`	`ckknight`	`what's WiP?`
`23:35.36`	`ckknight`	`outside of the logo, the top part's basically done`
`23:35.54`	`Pneumatus`	`work in progress`
`23:35.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`so has anyone actually reported the authentication issues with curse.com?`
`23:36.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`i realize my silence may be contributing to the lack of a fix =)`
`23:36.21`	`Pneumatus`	`just, there's a bloody great blue gap of nothingness below the buttons`
`23:36.34`	`ckknight`	`jnwhiteh: it's not, the shitty auth server is at fault, and the person in charge of it is busy with other things.`
`23:36.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`ah okay, no worries`
`23:36.52`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: space is important sometimes.`
`23:36.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`i just have to reload before I can actually post`
`23:37.05`	`Pneumatus`	`ckknight: you should limit the size of the mouseover images as wel`
`23:37.05`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`those buttons are a little small`
`23:37.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`the most confusing times is when it recognizes that i'm logged in.. but doesn't let me post :P`
`23:37.09`	`Pneumatus`	`as some of them are like MONSTER`
`23:37.15`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: yea, was thinking that.`
`23:37.20`	`Pneumatus`	`mouseover WoWEquip for example, and the image takes up like the whole screen`
`23:37.58`	`Pneumatus`	`infact, gief option to switch that off completely in user preferences`
`23:38.02`	`Pneumatus`	`it would annoy the crap out of me`
`23:38.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`ckknight: activity log is fucked!`
`23:38.40`	`ckknight`	`yea, I know, Arrowmaster`
`23:39.04`	`Pneumatus`	`if you mouseover an image at the bottom of the screen it still shows the image below the cursor, it should be smart and show the image in the middle of the screen or something`
`23:39.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol i see <a href=".... at the top of the activity log`
`23:39.13`	`ckknight`	`I already said that I know`
`23:39.19`	`ckknight`	`we do our escaping differently now`
`23:39.23`	`ckknight`	`everything is auto-escaped`
`23:39.33`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: I know, working on that now`
`23:39.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`so is this ajax?`
`23:39.52`	`ckknight`	`there's no ajax.`
`23:40.03`	`ckknight`	`some javascript is used, e.g. the hover images`
`23:40.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`project management javascript?`
`23:40.22`	`ckknight`	`the click to expand`
`23:40.26`	`ckknight`	`yea, that's javascript`
`23:40.30`	`ckknight`	`note: javascript isn't required`
`23:40.34`	`ckknight`	`site still functions fine without it`
`23:40.39`	`Pneumatus`	`... files page has just crashed ie8 :o`
`23:40.50`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: I haven't done any testing in ie8, just ie7`
`23:40.58`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: my guess is that was the flash buttons, though`
`23:41.03`	`Pneumatus`	`yeh, seems like it`
`23:41.32`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`at a g- you beat me`
`23:41.33`	`Pneumatus`	`in firefox, on the files page under the "filename" column you dont get any filename, just a flash download button with a crappy font`
`23:42.11`	`Kemayo`	`The font change is sort of disconcerting, isn't it.`
`23:42.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`that resizes the rows as each flash object loads`
`23:43.15`	`Pneumatus`	`the tabs being spaced out like they are doesnt feel right either`
`23:43.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`what is the font being used now?`
`23:43.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont like it`
`23:43.46`	`ckknight`	`Calibri if you have it`
`23:43.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`no wonder`
`23:44.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`i fucking hate that font`
`23:44.07`	`ckknight`	`I'm open to suggestions`
`23:44.12`	`ckknight`	`also, you really need some tact.`
`23:44.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`its fucking horible if you dont have cleartype enabled`
`23:44.26`	`Pneumatus`	`looks more like Frutiger to me`
`23:44.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`the font was not created to be used without cleartype enabled`
`23:44.34`	`ckknight`	`Pneumatus: yea, that's the first one`
`23:44.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`and cleartype is evil`
`23:44.52`	`ckknight`	`I already said I'm open to suggestions`
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`23:46.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont really pay that much attention to what fonts i like, just what fonts i hate`
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`23:51.38`	`Kemayo`	`ckknight: Could it just use the same font as the rest of the page?`
`23:51.54`	`ckknight`	`Kemayo: which, the flash buttons?`
`23:51.58`	`ckknight`	`yea, I'll make it so it does`
`23:52.00`	`Kemayo`	`Indeed.`
`23:52.03`	`ckknight`	`later`
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`23:52.09`	`Xinhuan`	`ckknight, can't u remove calibri`
`23:52.11`	`Xinhuan`	`from the font list`
`23:52.12`	`Kemayo`	`Yeah, it's not really high-priority. :)`
`23:52.18`	`ckknight`	`Xinhuan: and use what?`
`23:52.30`	`Xinhuan`	`whats wrong with the remainder list of some 10+ fonts?`
`23:52.42`	`ckknight`	`shrugs`
`23:52.46`	`ckknight`	`I suppose.`
`23:54.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`calibri should never ever be used on a website imho just because it was intentionally designed to look good with cleartype enabled and zero effort was put into how it looks with cleartype disabled`
`23:55.34`	`Xinhuan`	`there's some kerning issues involved with Calibri in firefox rendering engine`
`23:56.36`	`Xinhuan`	`this is what it looks like, Arrowmaster: http://kinkou.net/xinftp/wowacebeta.png`
`23:57.08`	`Xinhuan`	`compared to the actual font: http://kinkou.net/xinftp/Calibri.png`
`23:57.20`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: what level in mafia wars? :P`
`23:57.21`	`Xinhuan`	`and my cleartype is off`
`23:57.25`	`Xinhuan`	`err 35`
`23:57.32`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`23:57.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`those a's look horrible`
`23:57.44`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`23:57.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`and the i's are too far to the left`
`23:57.55`	`Xinhuan`	`i only have 14 mafia members, wanna increase?`
`23:58.01`	`Ackis`	`Xinhuan: sure`
`23:58.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`l's too`
`23:58.22`	`ckknight`	`Xinhuan: what's weird is that I test in firefox and it looks fine :P`
`23:58.35`	`Xinhuan`	`firefox2 displays it fine, ckknight`
`23:58.38`	`ckknight`	`firefox3`
`23:58.39`	`Xinhuan`	`but not ff3 appearently`
`23:58.42`	`ckknight`	`works fine.`
`23:58.43`	`Xinhuan`	`dunno`
`23:58.47`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe its win7 specific`
`23:58.56`	`ckknight`	`could be`
`23:58.58`	`ckknight`	`oh well`
`23:58.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`i get the same look as xinhuan on win xp cleartype disabled`
`23:59.09`	`Sliker_Hawk`	`I get it too, on vista`
`23:59.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`except everything looks like it has a slight shadow on mine`

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