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| 00:11.31 | thul | whmm, are there anything worth using honor on these days? |
| 00:11.41 | Cryect | The PvP trinket? |
| 00:14.12 | Nechckn | To get your mount count up? |
| 00:14.16 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.22 | sacarasc | That's tokens rather than honour. |
| 00:16.36 | Nechckn | bah.. thought it was both, it's been a while. So, otherwise, not really. Save 'em for some mystical future enhancement. |
| 00:17.05 | sacarasc | PVP gear is the only thing to spend on. |
| 00:24.36 | thul | I HATE LAG SO FUCKING MUCH |
| 00:26.32 | NeoTron | I love it |
| 00:27.02 | NeoTron | brings back memories of playing NannyMUD back when uptime was measured in hours and you had 5m + of unplayability each time it was rebooted! |
| 00:28.01 | sylvanaar | you know why race and sex are there in the arg12 info? for RP? |
| 00:29.03 | NeoTron | the amazing thing with NannyMUD is.. it's still around |
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| 00:40.20 | Repo | 10eggtimer: 03jokeyrhyme * r25 / (3 files in 1 directory): - fixed type that creeped in /sigh |
| 00:40.23 | Repo | - fixed ordering of options code |
| 00:40.46 | Repo | 10fu-bar_raid-save-fu: 03jokeyrhyme * r53 / (3 files in 1 directory): - fixed ordering of options code |
| 00:46.01 | Pneumatus | why so broken, /framestack :< |
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| 00:58.38 | thul | 5k divine storm |
| 00:58.38 | thul | great. |
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| 01:16.55 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r338 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:16.58 | Repo | added some code to include the player guid and info from that in the debug output. the current version of prat already worked on the ptr apparently |
| 01:17.34 | Funkeh` | why would you need that? |
| 01:17.40 | Funkeh` | just remove the colorplayer module? |
| 01:18.22 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar |
| 01:26.47 | sylvanaar | hm? ill probably just continue to color the name myself, just using blizzy's info |
| 01:27.57 | Repo | 10lib-guildalts: 03ddumont * r2 / (6 files in 1 directory): first commit |
| 01:27.58 | sylvanaar | and i still need to cache that info somewhere if i am coloring playernames in the message text body |
| 01:30.51 | vithos | Pneumatus: yeah, really hasn't. |
| 01:31.24 | vithos | 7 month old bug at least. |
| 01:32.54 | sylvanaar | lib-guildalts |
| 01:33.16 | Funkeh` | that's pretty silly to keep coloring it yourself |
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| 01:34.05 | durcyn | ~seen zeksie |
| 01:34.08 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc1-nott9-0-0-cust756.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6d 21h 17m ago, saying: 'with that much metal, he could have been watching satalite tv..'. |
| 01:34.26 | Repo | 10lib-guildalts: 03ddumont * r3 .pkgmeta: pkgmeta updates |
| 01:34.28 | sylvanaar | there are still other color options in prat Funkeh` |
| 01:34.46 | Funkeh` | like? |
| 01:34.50 | sylvanaar | random |
| 01:35.02 | Funkeh` | random? |
| 01:36.00 | sylvanaar | yes color generated from a hash of the name |
| 01:36.42 | Repo | 10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw * r36 TankMastery.lua: |
| 01:36.45 | Repo | * PlayerClass check is now language independent. TankMastery should now work with non-english clients. |
| 01:36.46 | Funkeh` | I don't think Ive ever seen a UI using that since the beggining of wow |
| 01:36.52 | Funkeh` | but ok |
| 01:37.56 | sylvanaar | it also requires fewer changes to my code to just store the guid and call the function myself |
| 01:38.14 | sylvanaar | plus i can cache it |
| 01:38.19 | Repo | 10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw 04v0.80 * r37 : Tagging as v0.80 |
| 01:38.37 | sylvanaar | remember - i still need to know name->class for other things |
| 01:38.48 | Funkeh` | I'm not saying don't do that, it might well be useful for other modules, I just don't see a use for a color module at all anymre |
| 01:40.11 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r124 sdkp.toc: removed obsolete file in toc |
| 01:40.59 | sylvanaar | yeah, if i had a module that just colored the playername by class - it would be useless |
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| 01:47.57 | Repo | 10lib-guildalts: 03ddumont 041.0 beta 1 * r4 : 1st beta to activate project |
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| 01:50.45 | Repo | 10lib-guildalts: 03ddumont * r5 .pkgmeta: update pkgmeta |
| 01:51.15 | sylvanaar | anyone know what the replacement for GetDifficultyColor is |
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| 01:53.30 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r125 .pkgmeta: update pkgmeta |
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| 02:06.37 | Camci | anyone know where i download the 3.2 PTR client? |
| 02:06.58 | Camci | the wow one gives me 3.0.1 |
| 02:08.20 | ulic | you download like 3.0.1.7884 or some such, and then it will download the .2 |
| 02:09.10 | Camci | i see, thanks :) |
| 02:13.40 | Repo | 10lib-guildalts: 03ddumont * r6 : update svn externals |
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| 02:16.37 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r126 : update svn externals |
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| 02:24.36 | Mikk | @describe lib-guildalts |
| 02:24.37 | Repo | Mikk: http://www.wowace.com/projects/lib-guildalts/. LibGuildAlts-1.0. An implementation of LibAlts-1.0 that handles only alts/mains that are registered in the Guild tab of the social page. The addon also publishes alt information collected to the parent library for use.... |
| 02:25.46 | Repo | 10fu-bar_raid-save-fu: 03jokeyrhyme * r54 / (3 files in 1 directory): - moved options back into the main .lua file (massive headache for little benefit) |
| 02:25.49 | Repo | - code at least starts fine, more testing is needed |
| 02:32.08 | Mikk | oh. raidsavefu became "SavedInstances" |
| 02:32.15 | Mikk | & LDB |
| 02:43.13 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r127 .pkgmeta: update pkgmeta |
| 02:45.37 | Repo | 10lib-guildalts: 03ddumont * r8 / (3 files in 1 directory): optional libalts requirement |
| 02:46.14 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r339 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 02:46.17 | Repo | store arg12 in the GUID field of the chat table. use it to look up missing class colors only - for now |
| 02:47.48 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r128 embeds.xml: optional libalts requirement |
| 02:52.04 | Repo | 10eggtimer: 03jokeyrhyme * r26 / (5 files in 1 directory): - moved options code back into main .lua (massive headache for little benefit) |
| 02:52.07 | Repo | - code now starts without errors, further testing required |
| 02:52.10 | Repo | - still lots of work to do |
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| 03:14.05 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r340 modules/PlayerNames.lua: fixes to coloring |
| 03:18.23 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r341 modules/PlayerNames.lua: if there is no playerlink dont do any lookups |
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| 03:25.41 | sylvanaar | you know, with everyone's name colored, now its harder to see things people i know say in channel messages |
| 03:30.40 | Repo | 10libguildalts-1-0: 03ddumont * r9 LibGuildAlts-1.0.lua: testing events |
| 03:32.01 | Repo | 10sdkp: 03ddumont * r129 .pkgmeta: update pkgmeta |
| 03:44.09 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Do you have any issue with approving LibGuildAlts? I personally don't see the need for it, but... |
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| 03:59.09 | Arrowmaster | does it have api documentation? |
| 04:08.02 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Yes. |
| 04:08.32 | Torhal | Though, LibAlts is Public Domain and LibGuildAlts is GPLv2. I'm not sure if it can be if the code is taken directly from LibAlts. |
| 04:08.59 | Arrowmaster | perty sure it can |
| 04:09.11 | Arrowmaster | unless the gpl really is that fucked up |
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| 04:10.58 | Groktar | yay fixed ptr login server |
| 04:11.11 | Groktar | too bad i load in and immediately lock up |
| 04:11.12 | Groktar | lol |
| 04:12.39 | Torhal | Fuggit. |
| 04:12.52 | Repo | New project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libguildalts-1-0/. LibGuildAlts-1.0. ddumont (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 04:21.17 | sylvanaar | yeah i dont have any issues btw |
| 04:21.25 | sylvanaar | sorry i missed the discussion |
| 04:22.36 | sylvanaar | im not sure what it does - or how it would be useful |
| 04:22.38 | Torhal | S'ok. I didn't notice it being PD licensed at first. |
| 04:22.57 | Torhal | I don't see a use, personally. It's LibAlts constrained to the guild list |
| 04:23.44 | sylvanaar | so its an index? |
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| 04:24.37 | Torhal | I dunno. But it didn't need to be a lib IMO. |
| 04:24.46 | Torhal | Just use LibAlts and constrain it in your addon. |
| 04:24.49 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 04:24.55 | sylvanaar | i guess if you need to know player a has alts c, d, and e, but only c is in the guild |
| 04:26.12 | sylvanaar | shrugs |
| 04:27.40 | sylvanaar | really seems like a sql query lol |
| 04:27.45 | Torhal | Hehe |
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| 04:35.04 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 04:36.31 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r342 modules/PlayerNames.lua: check for valid GUID |
| 04:37.17 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: it uses libalts as an embedded lib in the lib, should have never been approved |
| 04:37.53 | Repo | 10libguildalts-1-0: 03ddumont * r10 / (4 files in 1 directory): optional libalts requirement |
| 04:39.15 | Arrowmaster | who the hell is ddumont? |
| 04:39.47 | ckknight | ddumont fucks things up |
| 04:39.50 | ckknight | Torhal: unapprove it. |
| 04:39.57 | sylvanaar | lol ckk |
| 04:40.05 | ckknight | go to the project, 'edit status' under moderation |
| 04:40.11 | ckknight | change it to changes required or something |
| 04:40.15 | ckknight | "don't be so shitty" |
| 04:40.18 | ckknight | something along those lines |
| 04:41.27 | Arrowmaster | LibGuildAlts-1.0.xml, fail |
| 04:41.43 | Arrowmaster | ## Title: LibGuildAlts-1.0 |cff7f7fff -Ace3-|r |
| 04:41.53 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 04:43.05 | Stanzilla | Lib + Ace3 |
| 04:43.06 | Stanzilla | awesome |
| 04:43.48 | Arrowmaster | local MAJOR, MINOR = "LibGuildAlts-1.0", tonumber("@project-version@") or 9999; |
| 04:43.49 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 04:43.54 | Arrowmaster | can i just delete it now? |
| 04:44.07 | sylvanaar | i do that in mine |
| 04:44.14 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 04:44.18 | Arrowmaster | can i just delete you now? |
| 04:44.20 | sylvanaar | why shouldnt i |
| 04:44.28 | Arrowmaster | because thats fucking wrong |
| 04:44.31 | Arrowmaster | so fucking wrong |
| 04:44.37 | sylvanaar | why |
| 04:44.49 | Arrowmaster | because you are using svn so fucking use the god damn keywords |
| 04:46.17 | sylvanaar | i suppose |
| 04:46.23 | Arrowmaster | local libalts = LibStub("LibAlts-1.0");if libalts then libalts:SetAlt(main, alt); end |
| 04:46.27 | Arrowmaster | that is not fucking optional! |
| 04:46.30 | Arrowmaster | fail again |
| 04:46.47 | Arrowmaster | this guy shouldnt be on wowace |
| 04:46.56 | sylvanaar | or should be on irc |
| 04:47.10 | Arrowmaster | if he was on irc i could atleast bitch at him until he gets a clue |
| 04:47.42 | Mikk | set moderation on it and tell him to get on irc and talk to you? |
| 04:48.00 | Arrowmaster | im not in the mood to talk to him though |
| 04:49.00 | Mikk | one thing... what's wrong with local MAJOR, MINOR = "LibGuildAlts-1.0", tonumber("@project-version@") or 9999; |
| 04:50.07 | Arrowmaster | well if you end up having an embedded version of the lib thats newer than the checked out copy it could totally break everything in a lib |
| 04:50.29 | Arrowmaster | if you are using svn and just use svn keywords then you dont have to do that fucking hack shit |
| 04:50.54 | Mikk | mm but if you have a multi file lib and forget to touch the file with the rev in it? |
| 04:51.05 | Mikk | then you have two different libs claiming to be the same version |
| 04:51.32 | Arrowmaster | if you have a multifile lib your doing it wrong in the first place |
| 04:51.57 | Mikk | on that we wildly disagree it seems |
| 04:51.59 | Xinhuan | threat-2.0 was a multifile lib ;p |
| 04:52.19 | Arrowmaster | and you should probably learn to grow a pair and learn to manually bump your revision numbers |
| 04:52.28 | Xinhuan | each file had its own rev number, and the code would find the module/file with the highest rev number and use that |
| 04:52.30 | Xinhuan | as the lib's version |
| 04:52.50 | Arrowmaster | since when do all the mods have +v in here? |
| 04:53.47 | Xinhuan | i asked this morning |
| 04:53.59 | Mikk | AceGUI for example consists of 22 files |
| 04:54.26 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: and each file is a seperate versioned lib really |
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| 04:55.16 | Mikk | true, bad example |
| 04:55.29 | Arrowmaster | there is no current multifile lib |
| 04:55.37 | Xinhuan | libitembonus-2.0 |
| 04:55.38 | Xinhuan | by jerry |
| 04:55.41 | Xinhuan | is multifile |
| 04:55.44 | Arrowmaster | bah |
| 04:55.50 | Mikk | i don't see the problem with libs being multifile |
| 04:55.51 | Xinhuan | but its libstub |
| 04:55.53 | Mikk | at all |
| 04:55.58 | Xinhuan | so there's only 1 main lib version |
| 04:56.06 | Xinhuan | as in,he didn't number each file |
| 04:56.26 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: threat-1.0 and 2.0 were major hackjobs on the lib part |
| 04:56.27 | Xinhuan | so a commit to the non-main file would not bump the revision number |
| 04:56.54 | Arrowmaster | and full of problems because of it |
| 04:57.16 | Mikk | er, there's a reason why we tell people to pull .xml files rather than point straight at .lua |
| 04:57.23 | Arrowmaster | if we didnt get the threat api in wrath, threat-3.0 was not going to be embedded |
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| 04:57.26 | Mikk | it's so that libs CAN have files added to them |
| 04:57.37 | Xinhuan | actually multi file libs are ok |
| 04:57.43 | Arrowmaster | if done properly |
| 04:57.48 | Xinhuan | each file just needs to NewLibrary() |
| 04:57.52 | Xinhuan | on the same library |
| 04:57.57 | Xinhuan | and update the sub portions of the lib |
| 04:58.09 | Xinhuan | get what i mean? |
| 04:58.14 | Mikk | funky idea |
| 04:58.15 | Arrowmaster | that wouldnt work |
| 04:58.19 | Mikk | no |
| 04:58.34 | Mikk | it gets upgraded in the first file |
| 04:58.44 | Xinhuan | oh right, it won't work |
| 04:58.45 | Arrowmaster | then ignores the 2nd file |
| 04:59.07 | Xinhuan | so it would only work in ace2 because it builds a completly new table |
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| 04:59.27 | Arrowmaster | theres ways of making it work but thats not it |
| 05:00.07 | Mikk | *shrug* i don't see the problem with using @project-revision@ really. the only one that can get stumped by it is a dev using SVN to check out the lib AND mixing embeds AND slacking on his svn updates |
| 05:00.48 | Xinhuan | threat-2.0 makes the whole library a huge function |
| 05:00.52 | Arrowmaster | well if anybody creates a tag thats not a full number you are fucked |
| 05:00.58 | Xinhuan | and only executes the function if the lib version is higher |
| 05:01.01 | Arrowmaster | and it will blow up |
| 05:01.12 | Mikk | yeah true i said @project-revision@ and he used @project-version@ |
| 05:02.04 | Xinhuan | like, loader["file1"] = function() ..... end |
| 05:02.10 | Mikk | yes, you're very right that @project-version@ is ... risky |
| 05:02.19 | Xinhuan | and iterate thru loader[] and executeit only if the highest version number found |
| 05:02.24 | Xinhuan | is higher than the current lib version |
| 05:02.25 | Arrowmaster | if you are going to do that you should do it properly and fucking use @project-date-integer@ or @project-timestamp@ |
| 05:02.27 | Arrowmaster | nothing else |
| 05:02.46 | Arrowmaster | those are the only slightly acceptable ways of doing it |
| 05:02.56 | Arrowmaster | and ill still ridicule you for using them |
| 05:03.05 | Mikk | erm -revision is kinda guaranteed to be monotonically increasing |
| 05:03.08 | Mikk | and integer |
| 05:03.51 | Arrowmaster | -revision doesnt work in git, what i listed works in any vcs |
| 05:04.07 | ckknight | yea, @project-revision@ increases by at lesat 1 every commit, only downside is lack of git support |
| 05:04.11 | Mikk | well svn revision keywords wont work in git either duh |
| 05:04.17 | ckknight | but for git you can use @project-date-integer@ |
| 05:04.23 | ckknight | so what's the problem? |
| 05:04.46 | Arrowmaster | if you are going to use @project-revision@ you should just fucking use $Revision$ instead |
| 05:05.18 | Mikk | and get bitten in the ass when you forget to touch the main file |
| 05:05.26 | Arrowmaster | or get smart and use the higher of both |
| 05:05.41 | Xinhuan | well if you intend your lib to be possible to be externaled by non-wowace svns, u should use svn anyway |
| 05:05.59 | ckknight | $Revision$ â @project-revision@ |
| 05:06.02 | ckknight | it can be, but not always |
| 05:06.05 | Mikk | hrmph xinhuan makes a good point |
| 05:06.32 | Mikk | people pulling externals from wowace wont see shit with @ tags |
| 05:06.40 | ckknight | Xinhuan: imo, you shouldn't pidgeon-hole your library into subversion just because others are used to it |
| 05:07.20 | ckknight | and a bunch of addons are developed using external git repos |
| 05:07.22 | Xinhuan | that would really depend on your intent - if you make a library, you expect others to use it right? |
| 05:07.23 | ckknight | look at Tekkub's stuff |
| 05:07.39 | Xinhuan | yeah but he doesn't use any wowace lib in any of his addons |
| 05:07.49 | ckknight | Xinhuan: no new libraries I make will ever be on subversion |
| 05:08.01 | Mikk | i'll rephrase: if you intend your lib to be extern:able from others, you should use your own repo's tags. or manual. |
| 05:08.14 | ckknight | if someone really wants to host on an external repo, they can either come up with their own packaging solution or directly embed the lib |
| 05:08.27 | Mikk | using wowace packager tags in libs = can't be extern:ed by others |
| 05:08.32 | Xinhuan | which is what has happened with LDB |
| 05:09.21 | End | it's a good thing the more popular libraries are really stable |
| 05:09.40 | Mikk | they are? =P |
| 05:09.48 | End | well, the ones I use are :P |
| 05:09.52 | Arrowmaster | they arent |
| 05:10.06 | End | although |
| 05:10.16 | End | I haven't used some of the newer ones like QTip and whatnot |
| 05:10.46 | End | (which a lot of people seem to use) |
| 05:10.57 | Mikk | well, most of ckk's stuff became very "stable" when he ran out of time to tinker with them :> |
| 05:11.54 | Mikk | they're really only getting needed fixes now |
| 05:12.08 | Arrowmaster | they are? |
| 05:12.19 | Arrowmaster | people have been touching ckknight's libs since i quit? |
| 05:12.33 | Mikk | s/now/last i checked/ |
| 05:12.36 | ckknight | I've touched my libs |
| 05:12.37 | ckknight | :P |
| 05:13.05 | Mikk | amagad run for the hills! :P |
| 05:13.26 | Arrowmaster | show me on the doll where ckknight touched you |
| 05:13.30 | Xinhuan | yeah i bugged ckknight to remove his garbagecollect() calls |
| 05:13.42 | ckknight | and I did |
| 05:13.43 | ckknight | but that was a while ago |
| 05:13.49 | Xinhuan | still counts as touching it |
| 05:13.57 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.18 | Mikk | sorry, gmotd reflex |
| 05:15.25 | Mikk | (in my defense, my gmotds are usually raunchier) |
| 05:15.44 | End | I'm not sure that defensible |
| 05:16.26 | Shefki | I fix some of CK's stuff. :P |
| 05:17.27 | Mikk | Well, I'm in a guild where stuff like "AMAGAD! IT'S ROCK SOLID! GET ON IT FAST!" is S.O.P. on Igniss' adds getting frozen |
| 05:17.46 | Mikk | Preferably screamed over vent by some guy with a scottish accent |
| 05:17.51 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: when the hell are points going to be redeamable? im over $350 now i think |
| 05:18.13 | ckknight | phrase the question without swearing. |
| 05:18.27 | Arrowmaster | wheres my money bitch? |
| 05:18.34 | Mikk | performs a frontal lobotomy on Arrowmaster |
| 05:19.04 | Shefki | Hey ckknight when can I redemn my points? |
| 05:19.33 | ckknight | Shefki: possibly tomorrow or the next day, Monday's also a possibility |
| 05:19.41 | Shefki | :) |
| 05:19.49 | ckknight | we got the gift card codes from Amazon (for US) today |
| 05:20.14 | Arrowmaster | what about that other hush hush possiblility for redeaming points? |
| 05:20.32 | Mikk | buy gametime cards on amazon |
| 05:20.56 | Mikk | or do you mean the hookers? |
| 05:20.58 | ckknight | we'll be able to transfer money with PayPal, but you need to have over $500 worth of points for that |
| 05:21.22 | Arrowmaster | ok so i need to wait |
| 05:21.33 | Mikk | hookers take paypal now? oO |
| 05:21.42 | Arrowmaster | everybody takes paypal |
| 05:21.46 | Mikk | damn |
| 05:21.50 | Torhal | Sonofabitch. Ok, from now on I'll actually look at everything before I approve it. Holy shit. Are you sure this guy isn't LordFarlander? |
| 05:22.21 | Mikk | Depends. Did he include Ace2, Ace3 and Rock? |
| 05:22.40 | Torhal | Don't know. Like I said, I didn't actually look at the code. I approved the project. |
| 05:22.41 | Torhal | Bah. |
| 05:22.44 | Arrowmaster | ## Title: LibGuildAlts-1.0 |cff7f7fff -Ace3-|r |
| 05:22.51 | Torhal | sighs. |
| 05:22.54 | ckknight | Torhal: wowace's approval is far more stringent than curseforge's, btw |
| 05:23.10 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: wowace's approval system goes like this |
| 05:23.14 | Arrowmaster | i will say no |
| 05:23.15 | Torhal | ckknight: Yah, but he'd gotten two other projects approved, so I didn't think I had to look at the code. |
| 05:23.19 | Arrowmaster | somebody else will approve it anyway |
| 05:23.38 | Mikk | It's not like it's easy to communicate opinions about a project in the UI :< |
| 05:23.39 | ckknight | for libs, I like to check the code |
| 05:23.45 | Torhal | I guess he was one of those who "slipped through the cracks" |
| 05:23.51 | ckknight | for addons, I might be more lenient |
| 05:23.54 | Mikk | unslip him! |
| 05:24.07 | Arrowmaster | yeah hes got lib-st, which shouldnt exist either just because of the name |
| 05:24.23 | Torhal | Ok, I see someone else unapproved him. |
| 05:24.35 | Arrowmaster | *cough* |
| 05:24.35 | Torhal | I would have sooner, but I was killing Ahune multiple times. |
| 05:24.39 | Torhal | No fucking pet. |
| 05:25.30 | ckknight | the WoW-QH (on the PTR) is kinda interesting |
| 05:25.33 | ckknight | not perfect |
| 05:26.02 | Arrowmaster | i heard it wasnt working at all from tekkub |
| 05:26.20 | tekkub | it was mapping everything at 0,0 for me |
| 05:26.44 | tekkub | I didn't poke at the API to see if it was returning valid values |
| 05:26.52 | ckknight | it's working for me |
| 05:26.56 | ckknight | I'm in Scarlet Enclave |
| 05:27.10 | tekkub | I was in icecrown |
| 05:27.47 | tekkub | I do plan to have TG set coords for the current objective, so you get an arrow |
| 05:27.49 | Stanzilla | hm ckknight http://wow.curse.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1816663 |
| 05:27.54 | Stanzilla | check this guy's avatar |
| 05:27.55 | tekkub | that'll kick massive ass |
| 05:28.26 | Stanzilla | swastika = not funny :P |
| 05:28.27 | ckknight | Stanzilla: it's a tank |
| 05:28.38 | Stanzilla | it's a swastika on the cartographer comments |
| 05:29.05 | ckknight | I see. |
| 05:29.51 | ckknight | odd |
| 05:30.17 | ckknight | I'll forward it to the right people |
| 05:30.22 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 05:31.22 | Torhal | Gah, Next time I'll listen to my instincts. I initially wanted to deny it simply because the lib is of questionable utility. I mean, it's functionally a stripped-down LibAlts. |
| 05:31.31 | Torhal | The fact that it USES LibAlts makes me want to slap him. |
| 05:31.52 | ckknight | questionable utility is enough to take a closer look on wowace |
| 05:31.59 | Torhal | nods. |
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| 05:32.33 | Arrowmaster | questional utility is enough to not approve until you get a good reason to |
| 05:33.14 | Mikk | yeah i seriously don't see what the point of making that a lib is. |
| 05:33.26 | Mikk | an ADDON feeding guild alt info to libalts... myeah ok |
| 05:33.40 | sylvanaar | yeah, thats how its supposed to work |
| 05:33.48 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: it says optional use of libalts but its not optional at all, the addon will error if libalts isnt found |
| 05:34.02 | Arrowmaster | *lib |
| 05:34.31 | Torhal | Well, really, it shouldn't be a lib because the fucking addons that use LibAlts can choose to only use guild data. So yah, I fucked that one up. |
| 05:35.47 | sylvanaar | hes using it for a dkp addon |
| 05:36.39 | Torhal | I'm just going to leave it alone tonight. If it's still in the queue tomorrow I'll write up why I'm denying it and then do so. |
| 05:36.48 | Torhal | For now, food. |
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| 05:44.16 | Adirelle | ckknight: seems the wiki does not like page names starting with non-letters: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libdualspec-1-0/pages/2-minutes-tutorial/ |
| 05:44.41 | ckknight | hmm |
| 05:44.47 | ckknight | I know the issue |
| 05:45.47 | Adirelle | I created the same page with a valid name, so you can delete this one |
| 05:46.07 | Adirelle | (depending on which solution is easier) |
| 05:47.30 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/projects/libdualspec-1-0/pages/two-minutes-tutorial/ |
| 05:47.35 | ckknight | <.< |
| 05:47.37 | ckknight | >.> |
| 05:48.02 | Adirelle | thx ^^ |
| 05:48.08 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:48.15 | Fisker | stop looking around like that |
| 05:50.01 | Torhal | ckknight, Arrowmaster: Here's my writeup. Lemme know if I should add anything: |
| 05:50.06 | Torhal | This shouldn't be a library at all - what it does can easily be handled by an addon using LibAlts, since all that is being done is limiting the scope of LibAlts to guild members. This is also not a part of Ace3, so branding it as such is inappropriate. |
| 05:51.00 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 05:51.18 | Adirelle | ckknight: not a big deal, but I just create a tag from the website and repo didn't announce it here |
| 05:57.07 | sylvanaar | hes shifty-eyed Fisker |
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| 05:58.51 | sylvanaar | so, anyone in a 13/14+ guild that needs a resto druid? |
| 05:59.31 | Fisker | Yeah we need some help on kel'thuzad |
| 05:59.54 | Stanzilla | sorry, we are all 12 years old :( |
| 06:00.07 | Fisker | your mom is 12 years old |
| 06:00.17 | sylvanaar | w/e |
| 06:00.37 | sylvanaar | im emo....but i dont know if i can emo-quit and stick to it |
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| 06:03.22 | sylvanaar | i cant believe they renamed GetDifficultyColor to GetQuestDifficultyColor. Im tempted to just put GetDifficultyColor = GetQuestDifficultyColor in an addon somewhere |
| 06:03.45 | Torhal | Why the fuck...? |
| 06:03.55 | Torhal | It's not quest specific... |
| 06:03.59 | Torhal | /wrists |
| 06:04.00 | sylvanaar | right |
| 06:04.16 | sylvanaar | they are usint it on the target frame to color the level of the target |
| 06:04.27 | Torhal | Aye |
| 06:04.42 | Torhal | If they were going to rename it at all it should have been GetLevelDifficulty |
| 06:04.51 | Torhal | COlor* |
| 06:05.11 | sylvanaar | GetRelativeLevelColor |
| 06:05.22 | sylvanaar | but really |
| 06:05.30 | sylvanaar | dont they have better things to do? |
| 06:05.33 | Torhal | Hah |
| 06:05.50 | Torhal | I keep saying - they replaced the interns they've been using the past couple of years with janitors. |
| 06:06.05 | orionshock | Mikk: WTF! |
| 06:06.17 | orionshock | *bitchslaps |
| 06:06.22 | orionshock | *bitchslaps Mikk |
| 06:06.30 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.46 | Fisker | takes a piss |
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| 06:10.50 | Torhal | orionshock: What did Mikk do? |
| 06:11.15 | orionshock | he "Addon Loaded" my toc file ... |
| 06:11.44 | Mikk | Muaha! |
| 06:11.47 | Mikk | Which? |
| 06:12.21 | Mikk | I have no memory of it so I wonder if beer was involved in relaxed inhibitions |
| 06:13.00 | orionshock | Mikk: you "AddonLoader"'ed my mod :| i feel molested |
| 06:13.06 | Mikk | which mod! |
| 06:13.10 | orionshock | GuildCraft |
| 06:13.32 | Torhal | Beeeer. |
| 06:13.34 | Mikk | hmmm fuzzy recollections of being annoyed with loading times |
| 06:13.39 | Mikk | some late night |
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| 06:13.44 | Mikk | yes beer may have been involved |
| 06:13.55 | orionshock | bout 8 hrs ago? |
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| 06:14.02 | Torhal | lol |
| 06:14.09 | Mikk | noway |
| 06:14.21 | Torhal | I take it AddonLoader breaks your addon? :) |
| 06:14.51 | Mikk | 23:06, june 7th |
| 06:15.00 | Mikk | "GuildCraft: ninjacommit of "AddonLoader: delayed" muahaha" |
| 06:15.13 | Torhal | I remember seeing that on IRC, actually, |
| 06:15.20 | orionshock | mk not today |
| 06:15.27 | orionshock | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 06:15.28 | orionshock | r304 | mikk | 2009-06-07 21:06:56 +0000 (Sun, 07 Jun 2009) | 1 line |
| 06:15.30 | orionshock | Changed paths: |
| 06:15.32 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.33 | orionshock | GuildCraft: ninjacommit of "AddonLoader: delayed" muahaha |
| 06:15.54 | orionshock | oops, that was suposed to be on one line >.> |
| 06:15.56 | Mikk | nooooo you unaddonloadered it :< |
| 06:16.07 | haste | how was that suppose to be one line :P ? |
| 06:16.09 | orionshock | Mikk: give me good reason :P |
| 06:16.12 | Mikk | well |
| 06:16.24 | Mikk | i don't need it loaded the instant my UI loads |
| 06:16.40 | Mikk | i personally would much rather see my screen and be able to start moving / typing |
| 06:16.42 | orionshock | how "delayed" is this delay? |
| 06:16.46 | Mikk | a few seconds |
| 06:16.54 | Mikk | one addon gets loaded every .25 secs |
| 06:16.57 | orionshock | that could solve a few problems... |
| 06:17.02 | Torhal | orionshock: Immediately after loadscreen goes away, AddonLoader processes its "delayed" queue |
| 06:17.28 | Mikk | and yeah if i was more sober i would probably have added a "/gcb" slashcommand too |
| 06:17.31 | Torhal | orionshock: It would only potentially solve those problems for people who use AddonLoader. |
| 06:17.41 | orionshock | this is true |
| 06:17.55 | sylvanaar | everytime this stuff comes up i get mad |
| 06:18.07 | Torhal | Just don't emoquit on us. |
| 06:18.46 | Mikk | orionshock: you use addonloader yourself? |
| 06:18.59 | sylvanaar | I asked for that to be added to the default UI and EVERYONE jumped my case for it |
| 06:19.21 | haste | that's because you create more drama out of nothing than anyone :D |
| 06:19.38 | sylvanaar | i do? by asking? |
| 06:19.40 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 06:20.46 | sylvanaar | stop tring to goad me |
| 06:21.02 | Mikk | haste has goading silence? oO |
| 06:21.08 | orionshock | Mikk: no |
| 06:21.15 | haste | goading/ |
| 06:21.24 | haste | s/\/?/ |
| 06:21.26 | haste | >:( |
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| 06:21.34 | Mikk | ooh, you should. the sexiness will convert you to the true faith. |
| 06:21.46 | orionshock | sylvanaar: good ideas are often shunned untill it's forced down their throats |
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| 06:21.54 | haste | I don't participate in those discussions |
| 06:22.05 | Mikk | indeed, look at orion shunning my addonloader sex! |
| 06:22.10 | Mikk | "shuuuun, shuuuuun" |
| 06:22.13 | haste | but based on what I've read sylvanaar has a tendency to create problems out of nothing |
| 06:22.18 | haste | shuuuun the non-believe! |
| 06:22.45 | sylvanaar | its all relative |
| 06:22.58 | orionshock | he's an Idea Man! they look for things to fix when they are not broken |
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| 06:24.09 | Mikk | addonloader's basic ideas: 1. loading addons on demand (events, slashcommands, or whatever lua you write) 2. loading non-critical addons a weee bit later during startup - less loadingscreen staring time is good for the soul |
| 06:24.33 | sylvanaar | good ones |
| 06:25.21 | sylvanaar | if you could make all addons load on demand, you'd be set |
| 06:25.44 | Mikk | the current incarnation is very sleek. clad gutted it and rewrote most. |
| 06:26.21 | orionshock | that's im going to write a KB article about how to write mods for the CF system and see how ppl like it... im kinda sick of forgetting the basics in my own mods >.> |
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| 06:35.53 | sylvanaar | http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:KZcem68wqFwJ:forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html%3FtopicId%3D63167579%26pageNo%3D25%26sid%3D1+make+reloadui+a+thing+of+the+past&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
| 06:35.57 | sylvanaar | so emo |
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| 06:36.53 | Fisker | your mom is emo |
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| 06:36.59 | sylvanaar | orionshock incidentally, your question about arg11 is on that link too - lineID is arg11 |
| 06:37.11 | Xinhuan | mikk, you would have to make sure guildcraft doesn't use events like |
| 06:37.20 | Xinhuan | VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 06:37.25 | Xinhuan | or other stuff that occurs only on login |
| 06:37.39 | Xinhuan | as opposed to delayed load |
| 06:38.37 | FtH|Daemona | grumbles. |
| 06:38.49 | FtH|Daemona | anyone with bnet account got on the ptr yet? |
| 06:38.59 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 06:39.22 | FtH|Daemona | hmpf |
| 06:39.45 | FtH|Daemona | i got "server busy" for the last 24 hours... |
| 06:40.02 | FtH|Daemona | not even talking about not being able to copy chars with the queue at 7 days |
| 06:40.09 | Mikk | Xinhuan: meh, i'd been running it for months with local modifications addonloader |
| 06:40.20 | Mikk | In fact I run loads of addons with local mods |
| 06:45.48 | mitch0 | do you notify the original authors about these changes? or are they just "local prefs", not general improvements? |
| 06:46.15 | sylvanaar | "I don't understand why a reloadui is such an evil thing-- it only takes a few moments-- and I definitely don't see it as a justification for the added complexity to the load system>" |
| 06:46.51 | sylvanaar | its official - im emo ... =( |
| 06:47.26 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: what's wrong with reloadui? all my addons need it after config change to be sure they're in a proper state |
| 06:47.36 | mitch0 | the windows way! |
| 06:47.40 | Mikk | mitch0: local mods = stuff i don't push to repos. local to me only. the improvement is having them load slightly later, or on-demand when i actually need them. the net result is shorter loading time, wihch i like |
| 06:47.52 | sylvanaar | because 90% of the time, you dont really need to reloadui |
| 06:48.06 | sylvanaar | its an arbitrary requirement |
| 06:48.10 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: just for the record, that above statement is a lie :) |
| 06:48.17 | mitch0 | I mean, mine |
| 06:48.36 | Mikk | orly, you handle profile changing properly? =P |
| 06:48.45 | mitch0 | was just trying to pull you into an emo-fit :) |
| 06:48.56 | mitch0 | mikk: I believe so. I tried my best at least :) |
| 06:49.00 | sylvanaar | hehe |
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| 06:49.18 | mitch0 | in fact, I think my addon works with addonloader, too, just haven't tested myself |
| 06:49.50 | Mikk | but yeah.. loading stuff like... mapster.. talented ... on demand shaves off loads of loadingscreen time |
| 06:50.01 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 06:50.10 | Mikk | (those 2 actually officially support addonloader, so not examples of my local hackery) |
| 06:50.40 | mitch0 | mikk: but why not push back the changes? are the original authors against them? |
| 06:50.52 | sylvanaar | i support addonloader in my myGuildAlts sample addon |
| 06:51.02 | Mikk | mostly because i can't be arsed to go find them |
| 06:51.19 | Mikk | and then with guildcraft i ninjacommitted, and orion emofitted :> |
| 06:51.39 | Xinhuan | does mikk use any of my addons and want it addonloaded? lol |
| 06:51.59 | mitch0 | heh. I get all addons from wowace if at all possible, then from other repos (like gcode), and I only download zips if all else failse :) |
| 06:52.23 | mitch0 | s/lse/ls/ |
| 06:52.30 | mitch0 | fu |
| 06:52.47 | Mikk | Xinhuan: hmmmm, good question! checking! :) |
| 06:53.18 | mitch0 | my only 2 offenders are TrinketMenu (haven't found a repo for it), and LightHeaded, which is not open due to evil stuff being in the repo (bad decision :) |
| 06:53.18 | Mikk | Xinhuan: HandyNotes! |
| 06:53.27 | orionshock | Mikk: it'll prolly go back in now that u mention it.. |
| 06:53.31 | sylvanaar | i took a different tack - i wrap my main chunk code in closures and execute it after loading is over |
| 06:53.42 | orionshock | just ... say something outloud :P |
| 06:53.45 | Xinhuan | hmm, at most a delayed load on that one |
| 06:53.47 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: "offenders" of what? |
| 06:53.59 | Xinhuan | since it should be displaying icons on the minimap at all times |
| 06:54.00 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: not svn/git updatable addons |
| 06:54.16 | Mikk | Xinhuan: aye, delayed load only :< |
| 06:54.19 | jnwhiteh | oh, there's nothing |
| 06:54.23 | jnwhiteh | "evil" in the repo |
| 06:54.30 | jnwhiteh | but I wouldn't make it available that way either way |
| 06:54.31 | mitch0 | well, the scraper |
| 06:54.38 | jnwhiteh | hardly evil |
| 06:54.41 | jnwhiteh | but that's not why its closed :P |
| 06:54.43 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: why not? |
| 06:54.51 | mitch0 | all your other mods are open |
| 06:54.55 | mitch0 | (at least those that I use) |
| 06:55.04 | jnwhiteh | none of them are even remotely "like" LightHeaded |
| 06:55.08 | jnwhiteh | not in BW usage, or construction |
| 06:55.16 | jnwhiteh | I prefer to stick to releases only. |
| 06:55.29 | mitch0 | *shrug* |
| 06:56.33 | mitch0 | I don't think that a) many people would update this way and 2) that it would consume that much more bandwidth anyway. don't really know about the "construction" diffs |
| 06:56.44 | mitch0 | but meh, I just update LH less often ;) |
| 06:56.57 | jnwhiteh | that's perfectly fine with me :P |
| 06:57.03 | mitch0 | I guessed as much ;) |
| 06:57.04 | jnwhiteh | i dont' like people updating 'just cause' |
| 06:57.07 | jnwhiteh | you get emailed when i update |
| 06:57.10 | jnwhiteh | then you update =) |
| 06:57.16 | nevcairiel | not like LH has that many new releases, either way |
| 06:57.37 | mitch0 | 3.2 will kill it anyway ;) |
| 06:57.40 | nevcairiel | after a content patch you get new comments more often, but now |
| 06:58.22 | mitch0 | friggin cow-orker is late |
| 06:58.32 | Mikk | the way i see it, 3.2 won't kill LH |
| 06:58.39 | Mikk | reduce its popularity somewhat maybe |
| 06:58.43 | mitch0 | mikk: yeah, I was half-joking |
| 06:58.57 | Mikk | QH & company though.. yeah, not much reason for them anymore |
| 06:59.10 | End | DoubleWide :P |
| 06:59.13 | nevcairiel | QH still does that routing algorithm between objectives |
| 06:59.22 | nevcairiel | many people are too lazy to plot their own course |
| 06:59.29 | mitch0 | <- lazy |
| 06:59.36 | mitch0 | I use TourGuide now |
| 06:59.41 | Mikk | i never used either myself really |
| 06:59.51 | nevcairiel | I used LH and TomTom |
| 06:59.57 | nevcairiel | nothing else |
| 07:00.13 | mitch0 | tomtom is nice, too |
| 07:00.28 | jnwhiteh | QuestMapGetPOIInfoForQuest is fucking sexy. |
| 07:00.30 | jnwhiteh | that is all. |
| 07:00.30 | End | I had LH and TomTom installed, but I don't think they got much use |
| 07:00.45 | End | but I leveled to 80 on beta so I knew were most things were |
| 07:00.48 | End | where* |
| 07:00.54 | End | they moved a few things though :( |
| 07:01.08 | End | like the harrison jones camp |
| 07:01.12 | nevcairiel | When i had alot of quests open i just used LH to get the coordinates into TomTOm, so i could see them on the world map and plot my own course |
| 07:01.24 | jnwhiteh | i'm really excigted |
| 07:01.30 | jnwhiteh | for QuestRoutes |
| 07:01.31 | End | so excited, he can't spell |
| 07:01.36 | jnwhiteh | that Xinhuan is clearly going to write |
| 07:01.42 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 07:02.03 | mitch0 | I just don't get to play enough, I'd hate to waste that time on searching for stupid mobs based on extremely vague descriptions then get my arse raped by some rogue while reading the quest description :) |
| 07:02.08 | nevcairiel | I don't even want a route between quests, its like killing the last bit of brain you need for questing <.< |
| 07:02.27 | jnwhiteh | hehehe =) |
| 07:02.35 | jnwhiteh | I do want a "distance to quest objectives" |
| 07:02.45 | jnwhiteh | I LOVE that part of carbonite's quest tracker |
| 07:02.49 | jnwhiteh | then i can make my own damn decisions. |
| 07:03.03 | Mikk | obvious TomTom addition |
| 07:03.06 | nevcairiel | Thats how i used TomTom/LH .. just added all objectives and looked for the closest one |
| 07:03.17 | nevcairiel | just not in numbers, i looked at the map |
| 07:03.18 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 07:03.18 | jnwhiteh | yeah you're right |
| 07:03.28 | jnwhiteh | i probably will set up an enhanced quest tracker |
| 07:03.31 | jnwhiteh | if someone doesn't do it first |
| 07:03.33 | jnwhiteh | which i hope they do |
| 07:03.35 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel you sound like "I dont want to use a GPS navigator, Id rather use a paper map" |
| 07:03.38 | jnwhiteh | then they can use tomtom to send us there |
| 07:03.44 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: lol, so true |
| 07:03.57 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 07:04.00 | jnwhiteh | blizz leaking oldWorldMapFrame_OnShow |
| 07:04.00 | End | maybe he finds appeal in that |
| 07:04.02 | Mikk | well meh just put up the currently selected quest as a waypoint |
| 07:04.02 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: yeah, it gives me a feeling of actually choosing what i do :) |
| 07:04.10 | jnwhiteh | probably from feedback UI |
| 07:04.10 | End | he wants to be a navigator on the high seas |
| 07:04.12 | End | YARRRR |
| 07:04.15 | Mikk | so when someone selects a quest, he automagically sees direction & distance |
| 07:04.24 | jnwhiteh | no widget changes |
| 07:05.09 | sylvanaar | idk, there was a quest nav ui in AoC alot like questhelper |
| 07:05.16 | nevcairiel | The whole 3.2 isnt that big on UI changes so far, except the obvious changes to some APIs due to design changes (raid difficulty, for example) |
| 07:05.35 | End | there's not too much to break addons |
| 07:05.55 | sylvanaar | yeah, i thought it would really mess up chat |
| 07:05.56 | Mikk | wonders if they fixed chatfilters yet |
| 07:06.16 | nevcairiel | Well you can get rid of the name-coloring module, at least |
| 07:06.23 | sylvanaar | 's chatfilters already supported arg12 |
| 07:06.55 | jnwhiteh | well my scan fails a bit |
| 07:06.59 | sylvanaar | it makes that module less complex |
| 07:07.00 | jnwhiteh | because of the fucking feedback ui |
| 07:07.13 | nevcairiel | I might actually start using name coloring now that it doesn't /who all the time |
| 07:07.15 | sylvanaar | turn it off |
| 07:07.29 | jnwhiteh | you can't. |
| 07:07.31 | sylvanaar | from the icon |
| 07:07.34 | sylvanaar | you can |
| 07:07.39 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't stop it from breaking other things :P |
| 07:07.45 | jnwhiteh | but i'm not even convinced that's the issue. |
| 07:07.48 | sylvanaar | disable it |
| 07:07.49 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 07:07.55 | jnwhiteh | QuestAlert_SerializeCSVFileToLua |
| 07:08.14 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/116664 |
| 07:08.30 | Mikk | er did i miss something? did wowcompares.com get reduced to a listing of versions & release dates? |
| 07:08.32 | Mikk | i can't click shit :< |
| 07:08.36 | nevcairiel | meh the battle.net login server on the PTR is still unreachable |
| 07:08.48 | Grum | Mikk: wowcompares was offline for some weeks |
| 07:08.53 | Grum | prolly getting it up as you speak |
| 07:08.54 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: "As you may have noticed things are not working like they were. That is because I needed to modify my code for the new host, and I decided to do some spring cleaning in the process. I do not have an ETA for when the site will be completely finished, but I promise that I am spending ALL of my free time on it." |
| 07:09.12 | jnwhiteh | I'm going to try and toss my FrameXML compare stuff up somewhere today |
| 07:09.19 | jnwhiteh | since wowprogramming needs it at some point |
| 07:09.22 | Mikk | did i mention that i'm still awake and that it's 9 in the morning? >.< |
| 07:09.30 | sylvanaar | its 3am here |
| 07:09.34 | jnwhiteh | that way i can do xml compares along with the api diffs and show a real "Version" history |
| 07:09.44 | nevcairiel | Mikk: you should be awake again |
| 07:10.23 | sylvanaar | i use local copies and a file compare tool |
| 07:10.25 | jnwhiteh | well that doesn't put it on the web |
| 07:10.27 | jnwhiteh | so =) |
| 07:10.31 | jnwhiteh | and the apidiff can't be done that way :P |
| 07:11.10 | sylvanaar | wowcompares seems like it has changed so many times |
| 07:11.15 | jnwhiteh | it has |
| 07:11.29 | jnwhiteh | i think most of the problem is it tries to do a complete history |
| 07:11.33 | jnwhiteh | which I'm not sure helps anyone |
| 07:11.36 | End | oh wow |
| 07:11.41 | End | wowcompares is up again |
| 07:11.44 | jnwhiteh | doing a _good_ history of live, ptr and beta |
| 07:11.47 | jnwhiteh | now that's useful |
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| 07:12.51 | Mikk | WHAAAAT THE FUUUUUCK |
| 07:12.51 | Mikk | 282+ "GetItemStatDelta", |
| 07:12.51 | Mikk | 283+ "GetItemStats", |
| 07:12.59 | jnwhiteh | lrn2readpatchnoes |
| 07:13.02 | jnwhiteh | +t |
| 07:13.16 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 07:13.17 | Mikk | faints |
| 07:13.37 | sylvanaar | those are neat |
| 07:13.44 | sylvanaar | have you seen the tooltips? |
| 07:13.55 | nevcairiel | i can't login because i'm on a bnet account <.< |
| 07:14.05 | sylvanaar | they are like a badly formatted version of ratingsbuster |
| 07:14.14 | Xinhuan | tried the old user name? |
| 07:14.30 | nevcairiel | the old name says that i'm now on a bnet account and should use my email =P |
| 07:14.32 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: i'll toss them up for you |
| 07:14.36 | jnwhiteh | tom hasn't converted |
| 07:14.40 | jnwhiteh | and fuck their battle net fuckups |
| 07:14.42 | sylvanaar | they are single column in a 2 column tooltip |
| 07:14.58 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: and i thought that crappy RB tooltip looked like shit already |
| 07:15.01 | Grum | they do list sockets though so that is nice |
| 07:15.17 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel wait til you see this |
| 07:15.47 | sylvanaar | If you equip this you will: |
| 07:15.54 | Grum | and for the epic gems: 15 heroism emblems, 10000 honor, 3 equal color blue quality gems or prospecting at a rate of ~20-40% |
| 07:16.55 | End | 10000 honor? |
| 07:17.01 | End | isnt that the same price for blue? |
| 07:17.07 | End | (quality) |
| 07:17.12 | End | did they take the blue ones out? |
| 07:17.17 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7c710bb9e4633bf37e32892577918d3d.png |
| 07:17.33 | End | grats on your +10 armor |
| 07:17.33 | nevcairiel | thats not too bad, imho |
| 07:18.36 | jnwhiteh | ding 2 |
| 07:18.41 | nevcairiel | grats =P |
| 07:18.46 | Grum | nevcairiel: the list is *really* long when you hover other classes setitems |
| 07:18.53 | Grum | and i mean *long* :p |
| 07:18.58 | Grum | and yes it appears for stuff you cant wear as well |
| 07:19.23 | nevcairiel | that can probably be fixed by addons |
| 07:19.27 | Grum | aye |
| 07:21.30 | Aeyan | Did they fix the annoying alignment bug on the blizzard quest tracker? |
| 07:21.31 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 07:21.38 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 07:21.42 | jnwhiteh | already foudn a quest with no information |
| 07:21.51 | jnwhiteh | Aeyan: what alignment bug? |
| 07:21.55 | Grum | yeah i had that too jnwhiteh |
| 07:21.58 | Grum | not all quests have info |
| 07:22.09 | Grum | only seen the 'loot' icon and 'kill icon' for 2 quests so far |
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| 07:22.29 | jnwhiteh | well the quest has no "objectives" |
| 07:22.34 | Aeyan | If you move your quest tracker to the left side of the screen, it'll justify the text to the left but it'll always reset itself to right justification when you log out/in |
| 07:22.36 | jnwhiteh | i'm intersted to see |
| 07:22.40 | Aeyan | Till you move it again |
| 07:22.47 | jnwhiteh | Aeyan: ah heh |
| 07:22.52 | sylvanaar | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3f0e3e891039fd5a31e3e470eb29012c.jpg |
| 07:22.53 | Grum | jnwhiteh: ah yeah |
| 07:23.24 | jnwhiteh | Aeyan: seems tow ork fine |
| 07:23.32 | Aeyan | Awesome |
| 07:23.38 | Aeyan | It's been bugging me since 3.1 |
| 07:23.47 | Repo | 10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 * r32 Ammo-matique.toc: * Flag add-on to load for Rogues as well (ticket #7). |
| 07:23.51 | Aeyan | I'm too anal about that sort of thing, I guess |
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| 07:24.18 | nevcairiel | Good that i don't care about that stuff anymore .. currently i only have my account to fix my addons occasionally |
| 07:24.41 | Grum | such slack Nev |
| 07:25.15 | nevcairiel | slack? I stopped slacking and do some important stuff now =P |
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| 07:26.55 | sylvanaar | what do you do then nevcairiel |
| 07:27.13 | Mikk | jnwhiteh: ok i give up. which patch notes are that that i'm supposed to be reading? |
| 07:27.27 | jnwhiteh | the ones where they talk about item comparison tooltips? |
| 07:27.32 | jnwhiteh | the 3.2 ones? |
| 07:27.34 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: real-life work =p |
| 07:27.38 | sylvanaar | look Mikk i make a screenshot |
| 07:27.59 | Mikk | "Item Comparisons: Holding the shift key while hovering over an item will now display the stat differences with the item currently equipped in the relevant slot." argh |
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| 07:28.03 | Mikk | yeah ok i missed that line |
| 07:28.09 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 07:28.19 | Repo | 10ammo-matique: 03Anyia3 041.5 * r33 : Tagging as 1.5 |
| 07:28.26 | sylvanaar | item comparisons were there for ages |
| 07:28.33 | sylvanaar | with shift |
| 07:28.42 | Mikk | aye, but the stat difference bit is new |
| 07:28.45 | sylvanaar | right |
| 07:28.56 | orionshock | is there an Alliance-PvP UI Guild yet? |
| 07:29.00 | Grum | but it is only raw stats and in an ugly format :) |
| 07:29.12 | Mikk | yeah, i'm guessing it doesn't do all the stuff that RB does? |
| 07:29.18 | sylvanaar | it doesnt |
| 07:29.19 | Mikk | (like convert spirit->spellpower, etc) |
| 07:29.27 | sylvanaar | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3f0e3e891039fd5a31e3e470eb29012c.jpg |
| 07:29.31 | Arrowmaster | well considering that screenshot its not completely raw |
| 07:29.35 | jnwhiteh | but at least it can get the info easily now |
| 07:29.37 | nevcairiel | it only compares raw stats |
| 07:29.58 | Grum | jnwhiteh: yeah, byebye tooltip parsing |
| 07:30.03 | Mikk | yeah, not having to parse tooltips anymore = sex |
| 07:30.06 | nevcairiel | but yeah, you don't need to parse the incosistent tooltip texts anymore for the texts |
| 07:30.07 | Grum | just compare the items to a known 0 stat item and you have all the st ats |
| 07:30.24 | Arrowmaster | Grum: you cant do that |
| 07:30.28 | Grum | why not? |
| 07:30.30 | nevcairiel | there is an API to get the exact stats Grum, without comparing to a 0 item :D |
| 07:30.33 | Grum | only against what you wear? :( |
| 07:30.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:30.41 | Grum | oh even better nevcairiel=) |
| 07:30.44 | orionshock | whats the API? |
| 07:30.50 | sylvanaar | naked |
| 07:30.51 | nevcairiel | GetItemStats |
| 07:30.56 | Mikk | too easy! |
| 07:31.00 | nevcairiel | the other one is GetItemStatsDelta |
| 07:31.00 | Mikk | it must be renamed in 3.2.1! |
| 07:31.01 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 07:31.03 | Arrowmaster | i didnt notice that when i was looking at the diff |
| 07:31.18 | Mikk | i only pasted it in the channel :< |
| 07:31.22 | jnwhiteh | OOOH |
| 07:31.29 | jnwhiteh | maybe it only displays PoI's of areas you've uncovered |
| 07:31.29 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: that func wouldnt give the sellvalue would it? |
| 07:31.30 | jnwhiteh | that. |
| 07:31.32 | jnwhiteh | woudl suck. |
| 07:31.44 | jnwhiteh | silly limitations |
| 07:31.50 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: GetItemInfo(), new return |
| 07:31.56 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 07:31.59 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: ^^ |
| 07:32.06 | Arrowmaster | tek made a total hack to get it |
| 07:32.24 | Mikk | oh? |
| 07:32.31 | mitch0 | lost track |
| 07:32.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah using the ontooltipaddmoney |
| 07:32.50 | Mikk | dooh :> |
| 07:33.18 | tekkub | yea and then I found the return after all that |
| 07:33.49 | tekkub | but you can now get a stack size without all that BS of hooking, unless of course the item has no price |
| 07:34.11 | sylvanaar | later - im going to go and try to oversleep for work tomorrow |
| 07:34.13 | tekkub | http://gist.github.com/135070 |
| 07:34.33 | Mikk | get a stack size? |
| 07:34.46 | tekkub | hover over a 17-stack in your bag |
| 07:34.54 | jnwhiteh | if the feedback UI is blizzard's |
| 07:34.56 | jnwhiteh | and we can't disable it |
| 07:35.00 | jnwhiteh | why on earth does it TAINT shit |
| 07:35.00 | tekkub | the only way to find out 17 right now is to do a shitload of hooking on the tooltip |
| 07:35.05 | jnwhiteh | why not.. just.. do it securely. |
| 07:35.17 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: you cant disable it now? |
| 07:35.23 | jnwhiteh | no, you can't. |
| 07:35.25 | tekkub | jnwhiteh: because they never updated it? :P |
| 07:35.31 | Mikk | tekkub: urrrrrhhhhh wha? |
| 07:35.33 | haste | kill the load function! |
| 07:35.44 | tekkub | Mikk: for auction addons |
| 07:35.49 | jnwhiteh | haste: how do i do that before it loads :P |
| 07:35.52 | tekkub | that want to say "this stack is worth blah" |
| 07:35.56 | tekkub | but it's not a full stack |
| 07:35.57 | jnwhiteh | not to mention _how_ is it loading :P |
| 07:36.06 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: its not lod? |
| 07:36.10 | Mikk | tekkub: just get the count from the bag,slot? |
| 07:36.14 | nevcairiel | its an addon, i suppose it loads like any other addon? :) |
| 07:36.22 | nevcairiel | YOu used to be able to disable it with stuff like MCP |
| 07:36.24 | tekkub | how do you know the bag/slot? |
| 07:36.26 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: that requires hooking a ton of different func |
| 07:36.29 | tekkub | you have to hook! |
| 07:36.33 | Mikk | tekkub: getmousefocus much? |
| 07:36.47 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 07:36.47 | haste | Mikk: and how will you support non-default bag add-ons with that? |
| 07:36.49 | jnwhiteh | DisableAddOn works |
| 07:36.51 | tekkub | You're assuming the default bag ui there |
| 07:36.51 | jnwhiteh | lulz. |
| 07:36.59 | jnwhiteh | even if its not lited. |
| 07:37.06 | Mikk | shrug. works with baggins at least :> |
| 07:37.07 | haste | :3 |
| 07:37.08 | tekkub | there's a dozen ways to set an item tooltip |
| 07:37.13 | Mikk | i just assumed everyone else did it equally clueful |
| 07:37.38 | mitch0 | tekkub: would it be possible to add a "temp disable" sort of button to tourguide? |
| 07:37.51 | tekkub | anything is possible |
| 07:37.52 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/116665 |
| 07:37.57 | mitch0 | tekkub: that would remove stuff from tomtom, hide the trackers and everything |
| 07:38.05 | jnwhiteh | fixed |
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| 07:38.59 | jnwhiteh | ding 4 |
| 07:39.00 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 07:39.03 | jnwhiteh | the new castbar icons are hot |
| 07:39.10 | Hjalte | Can TomTom be used with the new builtin "questhelper"? |
| 07:39.21 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 07:39.22 | mitch0 | tekkub: should I open a ticket? |
| 07:39.25 | Mikk | Only if you nag clad enough! |
| 07:39.26 | jnwhiteh | just set waypoints |
| 07:39.30 | Mikk | He loves nagging! |
| 07:39.47 | jnwhiteh | I can probably add a right click option to PoIs |
| 07:39.47 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
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| 07:40.47 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 07:40.51 | jnwhiteh | should be do-able |
| 07:41.14 | jnwhiteh | yay for built-in devtools |
| 07:41.17 | orionshock | ok, im going to make a purl bot for wow.. |
| 07:41.21 | jnwhiteh | speaking of which |
| 07:41.23 | jnwhiteh | is it lod? |
| 07:41.25 | jnwhiteh | orionshock: already been done |
| 07:41.33 | orionshock | jnwhiteh: really? where? |
| 07:41.36 | jnwhiteh | wowi |
| 07:41.44 | orionshock | i need the ~asktoask command for /g |
| 07:41.46 | Arrowmaster | + "GameTooltip_Handler_OnTooltipSetFrameStack", |
| 07:41.54 | Arrowmaster | + "GameTooltip_Method_SetFrameStack", |
| 07:42.01 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: figure out what that is |
| 07:42.01 | Hjalte | Awesome. I guess one of the only thing many people will miss is fastest-route-for-all-quests then. |
| 07:42.14 | Arrowmaster | + "GameTooltip_Method_SetSpellByID", |
| 07:42.15 | haste | but those suck anyway |
| 07:42.15 | Arrowmaster | hot damn |
| 07:42.23 | tekkub | that's the debug tool |
| 07:42.38 | Arrowmaster | oh that shitty thing? |
| 07:42.42 | tekkub | I assume "frame stack" is the frame names under the cursor |
| 07:42.52 | tekkub | i.e. Where'sMyCow |
| 07:42.58 | tekkub | or /spew mouse |
| 07:42.58 | jnwhiteh | i.e. /dtframestack |
| 07:43.03 | jnwhiteh | which was first |
| 07:43.06 | jnwhiteh | and yes, its the samea s it :P |
| 07:43.22 | jnwhiteh | the IEF is so nice. |
| 07:44.14 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9916e93f5fba56dfdfeb76fff8dbb39e.png |
| 07:44.33 | Arrowmaster | except its broken |
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| 07:44.49 | jnwhiteh | "broken"? |
| 07:44.57 | jnwhiteh | care to elaborate? |
| 07:45.01 | Arrowmaster | see that top of the debug stack? |
| 07:45.08 | Arrowmaster | thats the _ERRORMESSAGE() function |
| 07:45.22 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 07:45.30 | jnwhiteh | so tell em |
| 07:45.39 | Arrowmaster | zoots not in wowuidev |
| 07:45.58 | jnwhiteh | zoot can't fix it. |
| 07:46.13 | Arrowmaster | did he get transfered too? |
| 07:47.27 | jnwhiteh | he's no longer on that team as far as I understand |
| 07:47.50 | Mikk | groans |
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| 07:48.31 | End | is still slouken still doing that stuff? and if not, who the hell is doing the ui stuff now? |
| 07:48.43 | Arrowmaster | slouken was transfered long ago |
| 07:48.47 | End | well |
| 07:48.54 | End | that explains why I haven't seen slouken in a long time |
| 07:49.20 | Arrowmaster | was there ever an introduction post on the forums of the new person? |
| 07:49.26 | End | anyhow, I wonder who to blame for all these nice changes |
| 07:49.30 | End | not that I've seen |
| 07:49.31 | jnwhiteh | slouken has been a busy boy :P |
| 07:49.37 | Arrowmaster | maybe this is why the blizzard_debugtools sucks so much |
| 07:49.54 | End | Blizzard_DebugTools = |
| 07:49.57 | End | DevTools |
| 07:50.00 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:50.06 | Arrowmaster | only the /dump part |
| 07:50.30 | Arrowmaster | theres no way in hell the part im refering to was from devtools |
| 07:50.44 | End | eventtracer visually looks suspiciously like DevTools |
| 07:50.57 | End | haven't seen /framestack |
| 07:51.05 | jnwhiteh | they're the same |
| 07:51.07 | jnwhiteh | the code is the same |
| 07:51.24 | Mikk | so which part is ragemaster looking at then |
| 07:51.59 | End | I don't know, I don't remember any other parts other than what DevTools had |
| 07:52.04 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.wowace.com/823/ |
| 07:52.34 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: what component is that from? |
| 07:52.37 | jnwhiteh | they did rewrite portions of it |
| 07:52.47 | Arrowmaster | function EventTraceFrame_OnEvent (self, event, ...) |
| 07:52.50 | jnwhiteh | but event trace, framestack and dump are _all_ based on iriel's addon directly. |
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| 07:53.30 | Mikk | you realize that the clunkiness is for optimization reasons, yes? |
| 07:53.32 | End | hm |
| 07:54.18 | End | oh |
| 07:54.20 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: how the fuck is a for i = 1, select('#', ...) do loop not better than that |
| 07:54.33 | End | ask Iriel |
| 07:54.36 | End | it -is- his code |
| 07:54.43 | Arrowmaster | seriously? |
| 07:54.47 | End | well |
| 07:54.48 | Mikk | but yeah that last ipairs({...}) is ugly ... now. being able to select arguments out of a ... didn't exist when he wrote it back in the day |
| 07:54.49 | End | he used T |
| 07:54.53 | End | instead of self.args |
| 07:55.10 | Arrowmaster | then it must be leftover crap from preTBC version |
| 07:55.15 | End | http://paste.wowace.com/824/ |
| 07:55.23 | Mikk | personally i'd still keep the two first clunks |
| 07:55.33 | Mikk | and cut out the table creation in the bottom clause |
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| 07:55.41 | Mikk | unlooped code is always going to be faster |
| 07:55.48 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
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| 08:00.14 | bluspacecow | you guys can see this ? |
| 08:00.21 | Shefki | Hmm are you sure Zoot got transfered because it wasn't that long ago he was directly responding to my UI stuff. |
| 08:00.34 | Shefki | As in a couple weeks ago. |
| 08:00.44 | End | He might still get to dabble in UI stuff, I dunno |
| 08:00.57 | Shefki | My understand was Zoot was never full time UI but still worked on it. |
| 08:01.00 | Shefki | understanding* |
| 08:01.10 | jnwhiteh | both not correct |
| 08:01.14 | jnwhiteh | sorry :P |
| 08:01.19 | End | shrugs. |
| 08:01.39 | Shefki | Then who the heck is doing UI stuff now or do they just not bother to post? |
| 08:01.50 | End | a ninja |
| 08:01.56 | End | the likes of which we've never seen before |
| 08:01.59 | Arrowmaster | interns |
| 08:02.03 | Arrowmaster | like always |
| 08:02.04 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: I have seen no posts. |
| 08:02.09 | jnwhiteh | so, that solves that problem. |
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| 08:02.32 | jnwhiteh | as for who is doing the work.. redshirts. |
| 08:02.33 | jnwhiteh | as always |
| 08:03.12 | Mikk | wonders wth a redshirt is |
| 08:03.17 | End | ensign |
| 08:03.25 | bluspacecow | weird ..... can't connect using mibbit.com |
| 08:03.28 | Mikk | "Redshirt is a slang term for a minor role stock character whose primary purpose in the plot of a story is to die soon after being introduced, ." |
| 08:03.31 | bluspacecow | did they get g lined ? |
| 08:03.35 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: freenode blocked it |
| 08:03.43 | bluspacecow | X_X |
| 08:03.55 | bluspacecow | ah wth |
| 08:03.58 | End | Mikk: yeah, star trek reference |
| 08:04.02 | bluspacecow | couldnt connect from work anyway |
| 08:04.05 | End | they'd always get killed |
| 08:04.12 | End | because they were unimportant |
| 08:04.28 | bluspacecow | just like kirk getting hawt alien chick love ? |
| 08:05.08 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Be nice if they actually took it seriously. It's such a huge part of everyones experience with the game. |
| 08:05.17 | Mikk | End: well duh, if some new guy went on an away mission you could be 100% sure he'd die :P |
| 08:05.20 | jnwhiteh | who says they aren't taking it seriously? |
| 08:05.26 | jnwhiteh | that's a dubious leap of logic. |
| 08:05.38 | End | yup |
| 08:05.46 | Shefki | What's dubious about you saying they're using red shirts to do it and not taking it seriously. |
| 08:05.51 | jnwhiteh | as a matter of fact, I think the enhancements they just made are clearly showing they take it seriously |
| 08:06.03 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:06.08 | jnwhiteh | i was not literally saying that they hire people |
| 08:06.10 | jnwhiteh | introduce them |
| 08:06.11 | jnwhiteh | and kill them |
| 08:06.16 | jnwhiteh | and that is how they develop the UI |
| 08:06.22 | End | haha |
| 08:06.24 | End | that'd be win |
| 08:06.27 | orionshock | tho i have to wonder about the logic when returning a new table with the item compare and equipment manager |
| 08:06.30 | End | ...sort of |
| 08:06.35 | Mikk | no, that's how they do instance server & talent development |
| 08:06.45 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: No but it seemed to me that your implication was that they weren't putting quality people on it. |
| 08:06.45 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: you can pass a table to be used if you want |
| 08:06.48 | End | "The souls of many men went into the development of this user interface!" |
| 08:06.48 | jnwhiteh | http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/lua-implementer.html |
| 08:06.53 | jnwhiteh | http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/designer-ui-wow.html |
| 08:06.59 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: that was your implication, not mine. |
| 08:07.06 | jnwhiteh | i was making a joke |
| 08:07.11 | jnwhiteh | which I thought was clear |
| 08:07.15 | jnwhiteh | especially once the joke was explained. |
| 08:07.17 | Arrowmaster | if i could afford to move to cali i would take that lua-implementer job |
| 08:07.18 | orionshock | t |
| 08:07.48 | bluspacecow | u |
| 08:07.51 | bluspacecow | v |
| 08:07.52 | bluspacecow | w |
| 08:07.53 | bluspacecow | x |
| 08:07.55 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: you would take it, would you be offered it? :P *cackle* |
| 08:08.02 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Lack of smiley implies not a joke even if you chose a funny way of putting it. |
| 08:08.03 | bluspacecow | now i know my abcs .... |
| 08:08.04 | orionshock | wrong window sorry, dual screens and only one keybaord |
| 08:08.07 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: .. |
| 08:08.10 | jnwhiteh | no, i'm sorry |
| 08:08.14 | jnwhiteh | if you believe that you fail at the internet |
| 08:08.19 | jnwhiteh | and no, im' not joking.. see no smiley. |
| 08:08.23 | End | I dunno, smileys help |
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| 08:08.38 | End | I sort of got it was a joke, since it was too silly though |
| 08:08.43 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Just because you use a cultural reference doesn't make it a joke either. |
| 08:09.02 | jnwhiteh | then use your brain |
| 08:09.02 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Cultural references can be effective ways to express serious meaning even if they are funny. |
| 08:09.03 | End | either that, or jnwhiteh is crazy pants |
| 08:09.06 | jnwhiteh | how do you think they get coding work done? |
| 08:09.11 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: somebody at blizzard asked cair to suggest some people from the community and for her to get resumes from them, then pass the resumes onto the person at blizzard and bypass HR completely making sure the developers saw it, she asked me |
| 08:09.14 | End | I think red shirts |
| 08:09.17 | End | make perfect sense |
| 08:09.21 | End | makes* |
| 08:09.31 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: I was kidding, you're high on my list as well |
| 08:09.34 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 08:09.56 | jnwhiteh | getting past HR is a big deal, since they get thousands of apps |
| 08:09.59 | jnwhiteh | i don't envy their job |
| 08:10.08 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: I'm sorry, but it was explained. |
| 08:10.11 | Mikk | ah hah. that's what she was poking me about. |
| 08:10.20 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: I don't care if you don't get it.. but it was clearly a joke |
| 08:10.22 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I already knew what it meant. I just didn't take it as a joke. |
| 08:10.27 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: yeah but shes gone till the 26th now |
| 08:10.30 | jnwhiteh | Then that's your problem. |
| 08:10.41 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Why are you always so abbrasive. |
| 08:10.48 | jnwhiteh | I'm not |
| 08:10.52 | Shefki | Yes you are. |
| 08:10.59 | jnwhiteh | no, I'm completely pleasant a lot of the time |
| 08:11.11 | jnwhiteh | but I do get abrasive when someone starts to argue with me |
| 08:11.22 | jnwhiteh | guilty as chrarged |
| 08:11.30 | jnwhiteh | spelled correctly, ideally |
| 08:11.58 | Shefki | Ohh wow nit pick on spelling. Grats. |
| 08:12.15 | jnwhiteh | it was mine |
| 08:12.16 | jnwhiteh | not yours |
| 08:12.17 | jnwhiteh | ffs |
| 08:12.24 | p4aved | chrarged |
| 08:12.31 | jnwhiteh | seriously dude, what is YOUR problem? |
| 08:12.59 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03StingerSoft * r161 / (2 files in 2 directories): FBagOfHolding: |
| 08:13.02 | Repo | - added ruRU loc |
| 08:13.09 | mitch0 | eh ;) |
| 08:14.18 | jnwhiteh | Your claim was that I must put a smiley on the end of my statement to indicate that I might not be speaking fact |
| 08:14.27 | jnwhiteh | I assert that a smiley does nothing other than potentially add confusion. |
| 08:14.36 | jnwhiteh | am I joking? am I half serious? |
| 08:14.50 | jnwhiteh | Much like any other form of written communication, we can ask each other questions to determine what was actually meant |
| 08:15.27 | jnwhiteh | I came from a perspective where I believed my thoughts to be clearly kidding, and I completely understand that regardless of your perspective you may not have picked up on that. |
| 08:15.40 | jnwhiteh | so I am sorry for not being clear |
| 08:15.46 | bluspacecow | blah blah blah cant we all just get along :D |
| 08:16.03 | jnwhiteh | I do not think Blizzard hires disposable developers to work on their UI team. I happen to know that isn't the case, so sorry for making that _potential_ implication. |
| 08:16.17 | End | I think that. jnwhiteh put it in my head. |
| 08:16.19 | bluspacecow | pffft of course they do |
| 08:16.22 | jnwhiteh | There, I'm willing to admit my half of this conversation. |
| 08:16.25 | bluspacecow | they called "addon authors" |
| 08:16.33 | Mikk | *snork* |
| 08:16.53 | bluspacecow | ~fish Mikk |
| 08:17.05 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 08:17.12 | bluspacecow | ~lart Mikk |
| 08:17.12 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks Mikk over |
| 08:17.18 | Mikk | ~whaleparry bluspacecow |
| 08:17.25 | End | purl lost a bunch of data a few weeks back |
| 08:17.30 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 08:17.32 | bluspacecow | woops |
| 08:17.36 | nevcairiel | yeah all the good factoids are gone =( |
| 08:17.36 | bluspacecow | ~/pat Purl |
| 08:17.48 | mitch0 | what effects increase DK damage like Icy Touch? it seems soo low |
| 08:17.58 | End | I thought purl got wiped completely, but purl has some from like 2003 |
| 08:18.03 | End | ~factinfo pinky |
| 08:18.03 | purl | pinky -- created by doughecka <~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net> at Thu Nov 20 02:48:50 2003 (2044 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by kd3, 1h 3m 26s ago. |
| 08:18.21 | Mikk | ~factinfo mikk |
| 08:18.21 | purl | mikk -- last modified at Mon Nov 10 02:41:54 2008 by Mikk!n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk; it has been requested 7 times, last by Mikk, 34s ago. |
| 08:18.36 | End | ~mikk |
| 08:18.36 | purl | i guess mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT (that's Mikord). Mikk likes fiddling with central libraries and screaming about inefficient code. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 08:19.35 | bluspacecow | ~factinfo Bluspacecow |
| 08:19.35 | purl | bluspacecow -- created by stolenlegacy <n=stolenle@d86-32-24-69.cust.tele2.at> at Sat Jun 13 07:36:04 2009 (12 days); it has been requested once, last by stolenlegacy at Sat Jun 13 01:36:39 2009. |
| 08:19.49 | Mikk | ~factinfo emulate mikk |
| 08:19.49 | purl | emulate mikk -- last modified at Tue Sep 12 16:23:16 2006 by Kirkburn!n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by Mikk, 24s ago. |
| 08:19.49 | Arrowmaster | ~bluespacecow |
| 08:19.51 | bluspacecow | ~bluspacecow |
| 08:19.51 | purl | [bluspacecow] not likely to be on the toilet. |
| 08:19.56 | Mikk | yeah those losses seem totally random |
| 08:19.58 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.01 | mitch0 | meh |
| 08:20.04 | orionshock | im scared to know if there is one for me |
| 08:20.06 | Mikk | 2003,2006,2008 |
| 08:20.10 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo arrowmaster |
| 08:20.10 | purl | there's no such factoid as arrowmaster, Arrowmaster |
| 08:20.13 | End | yeah, strange, isn't it |
| 08:20.14 | bluspacecow | ~orionshock |
| 08:20.19 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo orionshock |
| 08:20.19 | purl | there's no such factoid as orionshock, Arrowmaster |
| 08:20.27 | orionshock | i escape unscathed |
| 08:20.39 | End | ~emulate End |
| 08:20.39 | purl | ACTION gets distracted. |
| 08:20.42 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo emulate orionshock |
| 08:20.42 | purl | there's no such factoid as emulate orionshock, Arrowmaster |
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| 08:21.45 | Mikk | brainfart.. what was the name of that guy that became hugely impopular... was one of the earliest ace devs |
| 08:21.52 | Mikk | he has the best emulates |
| 08:21.56 | bluspacecow | purl bluspacecow likes vegemite and sometimes wheres pants |
| 08:22.08 | Mikk | bluspacecow: you can do that in whispers |
| 08:22.10 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: rowne? |
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| 08:22.15 | Mikk | oooh |
| 08:22.15 | bluspacecow | woops |
| 08:22.26 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 08:22.33 | Arrowmaster | ~emulate rowne |
| 08:22.33 | purl | Abuuuh? |
| 08:22.39 | bluspacecow | how you send a whisper in IRC ... I forgot ... |
| 08:22.46 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.57 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo emulate rowne |
| 08:22.58 | purl | emulate rowne -- last modified at Sun Jul 15 04:35:29 2007 by Thrae!i=generalm@c-68-49-121-90.hsd1.md.comcast.net; it has been requested 10 times, last by Mikk, 18s ago. |
| 08:23.08 | End | ~literal emulate Rowne |
| 08:23.08 | purl | "emulate rowne" is "<reply> Abuuuh? || <reply> I'm simple aboogle || <reply> Comments bloat filesize. || <reply> Variable names longer then one letter bloat filesize. || <reply> Reading obsfucated code makes for good coders, so I intentionally write obscure code." |
| 08:23.18 | Mikk | hm no that's not the one i was thinking of |
| 08:23.28 | Mikk | was some guy that only had insults as emulates |
| 08:23.39 | bluspacecow | ~bluspacecow |
| 08:23.39 | purl | i heard bluspacecow is not likely to be on the toilet. |
| 08:23.47 | End | hm |
| 08:23.48 | Mikk | purl, forget bluspacecow |
| 08:23.48 | purl | i forgot bluspacecow, Mikk |
| 08:23.49 | orionshock | lol |
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| 08:24.06 | orionshock | do u have to use the , after purl? |
| 08:24.34 | Arrowmaster | is ace1 not hosted on curse anymore? |
| 08:24.55 | nevcairiel | Ace1 is dead, its probably hidden in some abandoned project |
| 08:25.20 | Arrowmaster | good point, but i got redirected to come AoC crap |
| 08:25.20 | End | you'd have to find Ace itself |
| 08:25.24 | End | unless |
| 08:25.31 | End | did people distribute Ace with AddOns? |
| 08:25.40 | End | this was pre-embeds after all |
| 08:25.51 | Arrowmaster | ~emulate turan |
| 08:25.53 | nevcairiel | its probably some project-xxxx now |
| 08:26.06 | jnwhiteh | no they didn't. |
| 08:26.09 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo emulate turan |
| 08:26.09 | purl | Arrowmaster: there's no such factoid as emulate turan |
| 08:26.14 | jnwhiteh | End: I could tell you all about the history of why embedded libs came to be :P |
| 08:26.22 | jnwhiteh | because it starts back with Ace1 =) |
| 08:26.29 | End | ah, really |
| 08:26.37 | End | all I remember was Iriel's posted code |
| 08:26.41 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-13374/ |
| 08:26.46 | Arrowmaster | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/Ace |
| 08:26.49 | End | hell, it's still on iriel.org |
| 08:26.58 | jnwhiteh | which was posted at my request :P |
| 08:27.03 | End | ah |
| 08:27.05 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-13378/ |
| 08:27.07 | jnwhiteh | I asked Iriel to come up with something for us to use. |
| 08:27.12 | jnwhiteh | based on our needs |
| 08:27.25 | End | it's kinda interesting |
| 08:27.30 | jnwhiteh | since I didn't want to code something without talking to one of the more experienced software devs in our community. |
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| 08:27.42 | End | AceLibrary was a lot bigger than Iriel's original bit of code |
| 08:27.50 | End | then DongleStub was a bit smaller than AceLibrary |
| 08:27.54 | End | then LibStub is pretty tiny |
| 08:28.00 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 08:28.08 | jnwhiteh | that's why we had so many different types of people working on AceLibrary |
| 08:28.13 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 08:28.14 | jnwhiteh | LibStub |
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| 08:28.16 | jnwhiteh | AceLibrary started off tiny |
| 08:28.19 | jnwhiteh | then it was not so much |
| 08:28.27 | bluspacecow | it got fat |
| 08:28.29 | jnwhiteh | and that's what started the disagreements between ckk and myself. |
| 08:28.31 | End | ah, I wasn't aware of that |
| 08:28.38 | jnwhiteh | he believed certain things belonged there |
| 08:28.42 | jnwhiteh | I disagreed wholeheartedly |
| 08:28.54 | jnwhiteh | we argued, and I left the ace community |
| 08:28.57 | nevcairiel | That was for whole Ace2, not only AceLibrary, though |
| 08:29.01 | jnwhiteh | for my mental health |
| 08:29.04 | nevcairiel | it got bloated with weird features |
| 08:29.04 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: it was primarily acelibrary |
| 08:29.09 | jnwhiteh | the disagreement I mean |
| 08:29.20 | jnwhiteh | it was the center of everything, i remember it all pretty clearly |
| 08:29.39 | nevcairiel | Yeah i guess, i was more refering to the whole getting-fat thing |
| 08:29.43 | Arrowmaster | what about the acelocale-2.0 vs acelocale-2.1 pissing contest? |
| 08:30.03 | End | I didn't pay a lot of attention to Ace stuff until Ace3 |
| 08:30.27 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: there were a few of them before I left. |
| 08:30.29 | jnwhiteh | and I left for my mental health |
| 08:30.58 | jnwhiteh | hrm the totem stuff is broken |
| 08:31.03 | jnwhiteh | but looks to be pretty nice |
| 08:31.39 | jnwhiteh | ckk and I were both at fault at different parts of the whole thing, and we're in a much better place now =) |
| 08:31.50 | jnwhiteh | We may still disagree but we've developed better ways to discuss things together |
| 08:32.04 | End | that's good |
| 08:32.07 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: AceDB was the big knock-down drag-out fight tho |
| 08:32.13 | jnwhiteh | where I was kicked from the channel |
| 08:32.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember that one |
| 08:32.30 | Arrowmaster | that was around the time that i got into coding |
| 08:33.04 | nevcairiel | I joined when Ace2 was starting to be used for stuff .. but i missed alot of the drama |
| 08:33.06 | Arrowmaster | i was using ace1 addons from the inital annoucement but didnt get into coding until after ace2 was started |
| 08:33.18 | jnwhiteh | I was half right half wrong in that instance, and I apologized when I realized the errors I had made |
| 08:33.26 | Arrowmaster | the big drama i remember was the acelocale one |
| 08:33.34 | jnwhiteh | that was a minor one |
| 08:33.39 | jnwhiteh | just got bad because of Kael |
| 08:33.43 | Arrowmaster | probably a later one |
| 08:33.51 | Arrowmaster | which is why i remember it |
| 08:33.52 | jnwhiteh | didn't actually include me :P |
| 08:33.58 | jnwhiteh | AceLocale was written by ckk |
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| 08:34.01 | nevcairiel | yeah AceLocale was Kael vs ckk |
| 08:34.10 | jnwhiteh | i started a post talking about using __call instead of __index |
| 08:34.14 | jnwhiteh | did some mbenchmarking |
| 08:34.16 | jnwhiteh | wrote some code |
| 08:34.29 | jnwhiteh | then kaelten came along and splintered the lib, using parts from both libs |
| 08:34.31 | jnwhiteh | ckk responded |
| 08:34.33 | jnwhiteh | it was nasty :P |
| 08:34.37 | jnwhiteh | that was "library code fighting" |
| 08:34.40 | jnwhiteh | rather than using words :P |
| 08:34.45 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 08:35.00 | jnwhiteh | I believe I am being ignored by Shefki now, but obviously I cannot confirm |
| 08:35.19 | nevcairiel | Could be, he never responded |
| 08:35.25 | jnwhiteh | and he's spoken since then |
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| 08:36.52 | jnwhiteh | unfortunate if all my PMs were for nothing |
| 08:36.59 | End | goddammit |
| 08:37.09 | End | my net broke |
| 08:37.15 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 08:37.18 | jnwhiteh | solder the tubes back together! |
| 08:37.19 | End | yay for my phone |
| 08:37.30 | End | oh wait |
| 08:37.32 | End | my net came back |
| 08:37.42 | nevcairiel | you're still online, how did your net break? =P |
| 08:37.42 | End | yay for not typing with a tiny keyboard |
| 08:37.50 | End | irssi + screen |
| 08:37.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 08:38.09 | End | I'm just that awesome |
| 08:38.19 | Shefki | <3 irssi + screen |
| 08:38.24 | EthanCentaurai | guys we have a problem |
| 08:38.32 | EthanCentaurai | http://www.curse-addons.com/ is distributing .exes |
| 08:38.36 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 08:38.54 | Arrowmaster | is curse trademarked? |
| 08:39.05 | Shefki | Yup and posting links to it on popular addons on curse... |
| 08:39.11 | Shefki | I keep reporting the posts. |
| 08:39.29 | Arrowmaster | if curse is trademarked then they could get control of the domain |
| 08:39.38 | mitch0 | nobody sane should download exe files anyway |
| 08:39.40 | nevcairiel | are those .exe actually virus? |
| 08:39.48 | bluspacecow | ethan : you posted about this on the wowace and O. Forums ? |
| 08:39.52 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: do you think anybody here would test? |
| 08:40.02 | nevcairiel | you don't have to execute them to test <.< |
| 08:40.03 | jnwhiteh | I've posted in #curseforge |
| 08:40.07 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a vm anymore |
| 08:40.07 | *** join/#wowace Nahkiss (n=nahkiss@86-60-210-199-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 08:40.17 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'm just gonna assume they are when the domain is registered in China. |
| 08:40.29 | Arrowmaster | what else would they be? |
| 08:40.31 | EthanCentaurai | bluspacecow: no only here, only just found out |
| 08:40.41 | End | ponders. |
| 08:40.53 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Video games killing people in red shirts? >.> |
| 08:41.04 | mitch0 | they could be simple keyloggers |
| 08:41.08 | nevcairiel | I uploaded a file to virustotal, lets see |
| 08:41.18 | End | Video games killing people in red shirts who do ui development. |
| 08:41.32 | Shefki | End: You've gone too far. |
| 08:41.37 | End | sorry :( |
| 08:41.39 | nevcairiel | PWS:Win32/Wowsteal.AO!dll |
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| 08:41.47 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I'm pretty sure they're viruses, based solely on output from strings |
| 08:41.49 | End | nevcairiel: I'll pretend to act surprised |
| 08:41.58 | bluspacecow | http://whois.domaintools.com/curse-addons.com |
| 08:42.01 | Shefki | Viruses, Malware, keyloggers. Does it really matter what it is? |
| 08:42.09 | Zyndrome | ni hao |
| 08:42.19 | Torhal | Shefki: Same class of putrid. |
| 08:42.26 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: So I am being ignored.. whether it's with /ignore or not.. and you're still going to make light of the argument we just had? |
| 08:42.33 | Shefki | Torhal: *nod* |
| 08:42.47 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: use lua_bot to talk to him =P |
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| 08:43.55 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.18 | Shefki | bluspacecow: Go look at curse.com... Compare it's hilarious. |
| 08:44.27 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: its all fake though |
| 08:44.47 | Shefki | It's all horribly copied from curse's real registration. |
| 08:46.02 | orionshock | where is the UI Extraction toolkit? |
| 08:46.08 | Arrowmaster | ~framexml |
| 08:46.08 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 08:46.17 | lua_bot | Shefki: Is this really necessary? |
| 08:46.29 | lua_bot | or hell, reasonable? |
| 08:46.54 | End | Shefki: it's a trap |
| 08:47.06 | Shefki | lua_bot: print(true) |
| 08:47.06 | lua_bot | Shefki: true |
| 08:47.31 | bluspacecow | oh yay wow compares is back up :D |
| 08:48.12 | End | it sounded like it was being moved back to the mmoui servers, which is funny because I thought that's where it started out |
| 08:48.17 | End | back when it was called wdn or w/e |
| 08:48.22 | lua_bot | Fine then.. have fun ignoring the apology I made publicly in the channel and the further conversation I apparently had with myself in PMs. |
| 08:48.47 | sztanpet | jnwhiteh write a blog post |
| 08:48.48 | Shefki | There you're off. |
| 08:48.49 | sztanpet | ! |
| 08:48.49 | bluspacecow | ethan you still there ? |
| 08:48.56 | EthanCentaurai | aye |
| 08:49.02 | jnwhiteh | no, this is myspace worthy. |
| 08:49.07 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.13 | jnwhiteh | clearly |
| 08:49.27 | End | every time jnwhiteh and Shefki are in the channel, I'm going to have to joke about red shirts, just to be tasteless |
| 08:49.27 | bluspacecow | ill post something about curse-addons.com on wowinterface and the offical forums if you hit up wowace & curse |
| 08:49.41 | End | and to create discomfort |
| 08:49.42 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: its already known |
| 08:49.53 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I don't see what's myspace worthy about ignoring someone. |
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| 08:50.10 | End | Shefki: HE FORGOT TO USE A SMILEY AGAIN |
| 08:50.13 | End | ;-p |
| 08:50.14 | jnwhiteh | in the middle of a conversation? Ignoring concessions and apology |
| 08:50.15 | bluspacecow | arrow do you ean soeons already made a post about it on wowi and the offical forums |
| 08:50.21 | jnwhiteh | over something as silly as this? |
| 08:50.50 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: no but i fail to see how drawing massive attention to it will do any good |
| 08:50.54 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: I ignored you right after you nitpicked my spelling. I figured it was just going to degrade from there and I was done. |
| 08:50.54 | orionshock | hehe found the dev tools addon that blizzard put in this ptr |
| 08:50.59 | End | oh |
| 08:51.02 | End | lol |
| 08:51.07 | Arrowmaster | theres tons of sites possing as addon sites with keyloggers |
| 08:51.09 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: then that's your bad. I never nitpicked your spelling. |
| 08:51.09 | End | jnwhiteh was nitpicking his own spelling |
| 08:51.14 | WobNet | ... Dance Your Ass Off? |
| 08:51.15 | jnwhiteh | ever. |
| 08:51.31 | jnwhiteh | I am not that kind of person. |
| 08:51.37 | jnwhiteh | regardless of what you think of me. |
| 08:51.38 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Ohh I actually spelled abbrasive right? |
| 08:51.39 | End | chrarged |
| 08:51.44 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea |
| 08:51.54 | Shefki | ~dict abbrasive |
| 08:51.56 | jnwhiteh | I would not criticise you for your spelling |
| 08:51.58 | End | I think it's wrong, but jnwhiteh fails at spelling chrarged |
| 08:52.06 | Shefki | ~dict abrasive |
| 08:52.08 | Cahan | it only has one b >_> |
| 08:52.13 | Torhal | Apparently nobody here can spell. |
| 08:52.17 | End | ^ |
| 08:52.22 | nevcairiel | Its IRC, afterall |
| 08:52.27 | p4aved | i blame dyslexia |
| 08:52.29 | jnwhiteh | I can, but I am human so I make mistakes on occasion. |
| 08:52.31 | WobNet | hm, isn't there a spelling(sp?) bot? |
| 08:52.39 | nevcairiel | only in #wowuidev |
| 08:52.39 | jnwhiteh | and would never make fun of someone for their spelling |
| 08:52.41 | WobNet | ah |
| 08:52.45 | End | batrick's does it I think |
| 08:53.02 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Hmm yeah I used two b's. So I made the leap (I know probably horrible of me to do so) that you were nitpicking my spelling. |
| 08:53.10 | Arrowmaster | people yell at me all the time because i cant spell worth a damn |
| 08:53.37 | WobNet | hm |
| 08:53.43 | WobNet | how much is a damn worth nowadays? |
| 08:54.07 | Shefki | WobNet: About 1000g to a Chinese gold farmer. |
| 08:54.15 | WobNet | damn |
| 08:55.41 | Torhal | I made the observation quite a few years ago that many highly intelligent people for some reason lack spelling skills. |
| 08:56.08 | Shefki | Torhal: When it comes to English the spelling rules are not very intelligent. :) |
| 08:56.13 | Torhal | Tis true. |
| 08:56.14 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: perhaps you should read my comments following you ignoring me: http://pastebin.ca/1474009 |
| 08:56.16 | bluspacecow | hey! |
| 08:56.19 | bluspacecow | i spell gud ! |
| 08:56.21 | jnwhiteh | English spelling is completely irregular |
| 08:56.23 | bluspacecow | shut up ! |
| 08:56.31 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Especially between regions. |
| 08:56.43 | jnwhiteh | English pronunciation is completely borked tho :P |
| 08:57.22 | jnwhiteh | WTB MSBT that uses the animation system. |
| 08:57.43 | End | how much performance gain does the animation system give I wonder |
| 08:57.58 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: most people tend to either accel in technical fields like math and science or artistic fields like well artsy stuff, music, or writting |
| 08:58.03 | Hjalte | Off-topic: Looking at website statistics from modlogan 0.8.13, I wonder if anything else can make it think someone has bookmarked a website. Anyone knows? |
| 08:58.26 | Hjalte | 20% of users still using IE6. Meh. |
| 08:59.57 | nevcairiel | If you disable referers in your browser, it'll always look like you entered directly, which could be a bookmark |
| 08:59.59 | nevcairiel | if you mean that =P |
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| 09:00.43 | WobNet | Arrowmaster: accel -> excel =) |
| 09:00.52 | Arrowmaster | WobNet: fuck off |
| 09:01.17 | Hjalte | nevcairiel: Problem is, I'm not sure how this service counts how many people bookmarked my website. |
| 09:01.26 | nevcairiel | it really cant |
| 09:01.34 | WobNet | since it's purely client side |
| 09:01.36 | nevcairiel | its guess work |
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| 09:02.24 | WobNet | or, you can put a link on your site |
| 09:02.31 | WobNet | saying "click here to bookmark my page!" |
| 09:02.36 | WobNet | and have it do some javascript magic |
| 09:02.41 | WobNet | and record the click on the side |
| 09:02.42 | nevcairiel | i would never click those |
| 09:03.11 | Hjalte | Does these video links work for anyone in Firefox? I believe I had them working, but they don't seem to be able to work on this PC: http://sundsexskolen.dk/sider.php?sidenummer=1 |
| 09:03.11 | WobNet | shrugs |
| 09:03.37 | nevcairiel | well except that i dont have the plugin |
| 09:03.40 | nevcairiel | which ever that is |
| 09:03.59 | Hjalte | It should just need windows media player |
| 09:04.17 | nevcairiel | i dont have a wmp plugin for firefox installed =P |
| 09:04.57 | nevcairiel | you should use html5 video tags |
| 09:04.58 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 09:05.24 | Hjalte | I haven't done any active "coding" in some time, most of my work is hackjobs. |
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| 09:05.39 | WobNet | stuck at 'video is loading' but I have a sucky connectoin atm |
| 09:05.57 | Hjalte | The video is pretty big, I should work on that as well. |
| 09:07.15 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r5737 / (10 files in 2 directories): frFR Update |
| 09:07.37 | WobNet | video doesn't appear to be moving |
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| 09:13.58 | digmouse | g'morning |
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| 09:20.57 | bluspacecow | herro |
| 09:30.57 | mitch0 | wtf does "selling past the close" mean? |
| 09:31.20 | Arrowmaster | sounds like stock market |
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| 09:34.06 | orionshock | metatables - one _ or 2 __ ? |
| 09:35.15 | Arrowmaster | 2 |
| 09:35.57 | orionshock | thx |
| 09:36.29 | mitch0 | metatables are scary |
| 09:36.38 | bluspacecow | *runs* |
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| 09:41.20 | Arrowmaster | metatables are fun when you do things with them that scare others |
| 09:43.27 | Torhal | Like plucking chickens. |
| 09:44.12 | WobNet | you do things to others with plucked chickens? |
| 09:44.32 | bluspacecow | you scare people with plucked chickens ? |
| 09:44.38 | bluspacecow | plucked chicken nerf missile |
| 09:46.26 | bluspacecow | ~nerf purl |
| 09:46.51 | bluspacecow | plucked chicken package suprise |
| 09:47.12 | bluspacecow | i just thought of something |
| 09:47.31 | bluspacecow | how much fun would it be to put some kind of motor in side a plucked chicken |
| 09:47.43 | bluspacecow | have it out on the kitchen table and it starts to vibrate :D |
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| 09:50.03 | nevcairiel | just put some old phone in =P |
| 09:50.38 | bluspacecow | and get it to play "bokk! bokk bokk bokk bokk" |
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| 10:36.37 | bluspacecow | brb |
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| 10:42.17 | ThiefMaster | hi, what's the proper way to get the english zone name? i found this code in an addon: BZ = LibStub("LibBabble-Zone-3.0"):GetLookupTable() ... and then BZ[GetZoneText()] |
| 10:42.23 | ThiefMaster | but it doesn't work properly |
| 10:43.48 | Arrowmaster | youd need the reverse lookup table |
| 10:45.22 | Arrowmaster | LibStub("LibBabble-Zone-3.0"):GetReverseLookupTable() |
| 10:45.48 | Arrowmaster | * If you try to access a nonexistent key, it will return nil. |
| 10:45.49 | Arrowmaster | * This will return only one English word that it maps to, if there are more than one to check, see :GetReverseIterator("word") |
| 10:46.29 | Arrowmaster | and you should probably use GetRealZoneText() instead of GetZoneText() |
| 10:46.59 | Arrowmaster | why do you need the english zone name anyway? |
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| 11:11.35 | ThiefMaster | Arrowmaster: libfail has a list of zone fails indexed with the english zone name |
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| 11:12.15 | Arrowmaster | ah instances |
| 11:14.11 | Arrowmaster | for instances then yes you deffently want to use GetRealZoneText() instead of GetZoneText() |
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| 11:17.25 | ThiefMaster | what's the difference? |
| 11:17.31 | ThiefMaster | wowwiki is down :x |
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| 11:18.22 | Arrowmaster | some places like the furbog place in ashenvale give a different GetZoneText() than the rest of the zone without actually changing zones |
| 11:18.36 | Arrowmaster | also the start of all CoT instances tend to do that |
| 11:19.04 | Arrowmaster | GetRealZoneText() will always be the true zone name |
| 11:19.18 | orionshock | ok writing a purl bot for wow - just a tad bit harder than i thought.... |
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| 11:23.06 | vhaarr | I already wrote one, although it's not finished it works fine for my usage so far |
| 11:23.06 | vhaarr | http://paste.wowace.com/825/ |
| 11:24.48 | Arrowmaster | local raw = select(3, input:find("^~(.*)")) |
| 11:24.49 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 11:25.07 | Arrowmaster | how old is this? |
| 11:25.11 | vhaarr | I dunno |
| 11:25.25 | vhaarr | 6 months |
| 11:25.29 | vhaarr | why is that fail? |
| 11:25.36 | digmouse | Question: what is the texture used in CaithUI? |
| 11:25.45 | Arrowmaster | use match instead and drop the select |
| 11:25.49 | vhaarr | meh |
| 11:25.51 | vhaarr | semantics |
| 11:25.59 | Arrowmaster | and you use VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 11:26.34 | vhaarr | ye instead of ADDON_LOADED, I know, I never cared much for the LoD stuff |
| 11:29.02 | vhaarr | in any case it's easily "fixable"/changable |
| 11:29.27 | vhaarr | I've added some convenience commands like ~vt to paste out or ventrilo details |
| 11:29.31 | vhaarr | it's quite useful |
| 11:30.19 | vhaarr | our* |
| 11:35.13 | orionshock | oh wow vhaarr that's alot more elegant that what i was fumble fuxing around with |
| 11:35.21 | vhaarr | I figured |
| 11:35.32 | vhaarr | posting it up on wowace now |
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| 11:37.25 | orionshock | after about 2hrs i settled on redoing the whole things to that way, ( parse, func(), print ) tho i was wondering if all the function closures was better or worse than trying to use a table w/ some basic definitions and cobbling stuff together from that. |
| 11:39.11 | Repo | 10unconversablegnome: 03Rabbit * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 11:39.14 | Repo | Initial import. Very crude and simple purl-esque bot for WoW. |
| 11:39.37 | Repo | 10unconversablegnome: 03Rabbit * r3 svn-commit.tmp: Genious. |
| 11:39.48 | orionshock | vhaarr: how hard would it be to write in the ability to send to regular chat channels ? |
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| 11:40.46 | orionshock | nmd, it's already there? |
| 11:41.17 | Repo | 10unconversablegnome: 03Rabbit * r4 core.lua: Use ADDON_LOADED to satisfy these LoD maniacs. |
| 11:41.33 | ThiefMaster | i wonder if there's a way to modify the bag wrapping.. i.e. i alsway want 3 bags to be shown in the rightmost columm no matter if a part of it would be outside of the screen or not |
| 11:44.55 | Repo | 10unconversablegnome: 03Rabbit * r5 core.lua: Use :match since people whine about it. |
| 11:45.13 | Repo | 10unconversablegnome: 03Rabbit * r6 core.lua: Remove debug print. |
| 11:45.34 | vhaarr | now feel free to go nuts on it |
| 11:45.35 | EthanCentaurai | jnwhiteh: enGB PTR patch for Mac is available now |
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| 11:55.16 | berdan | Is there a better event than COMBAT_RATING_UPDATE to watch for knowing when the player's spellpower has changed? That one fires when equipment changes, but not when buffs modifies the spellpower (such as when healing using Eye of the Broodmother). |
| 11:55.59 | EthanCentaurai | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 11:56.25 | Repo | 10failboat: 03ThiefMaster * r65 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 11:56.28 | Repo | * Fix incorrect BabbleZone use which caused errors in non-enUS clients in zones with a different name than in English |
| 11:56.31 | Repo | * Code cleanup (move variable definitions to top, replace tabs with spaces) |
| 11:56.34 | Repo | * Update english debug "translation" in the code; it was pretty outdated. |
| 11:58.36 | berdan | And watching that one won't be overkill? (I have little to no knowledge how the event hooking system works in WoW, this is my first try at an addon) |
| 11:59.46 | Arrowmaster | that event wouldnt help at all |
| 11:59.47 | berdan | Maybe I should describe what I'm trying to achieve? |
| 12:02.17 | berdan | There's currently a bug (or a feature) with the HoT part of the Riptide spell. If your spellpower when recasting Riptide < spellpower for the initial application, the HoT won't refresh. I figured I'd write a Grid module to add a status for when the Riptide HoT is on a unit AND the caster's spellpower < spellpower when the spell was cast. |
| 12:03.38 | Arrowmaster | why would you want an event that doesnt fire when its changed by buffs then? |
| 12:04.49 | berdan | No, I want such an event, but doesn't seem like COMBAT_RATING_UPDATE is the one |
| 12:07.07 | berdan | This event system is a bit confusing⦠Guess it will be easier with some experience. |
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| 12:10.01 | Arrowmaster | berdan: take a look at PaperDollFrame.lua and the events it registers |
| 12:10.39 | Gagorian- | UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED |
| 12:10.41 | Arrowmaster | event == "UNIT_DAMAGE" or event == "PLAYER_DAMAGE_DONE_MODS" or event == "UNIT_ATTACK_SPEED" or event == "UNIT_RANGEDDAMAGE" or event == "UNIT_ATTACK" or event == "UNIT_STATS" or event == "UNIT_RANGED_ATTACK_POWER" |
| 12:11.21 | Arrowmaster | its one of those |
| 12:11.30 | Gagorian- | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_DAMAGE_DONE_MODS |
| 12:11.55 | berdan | Will do. COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED works, but it feels very spammy and I guess that will hurt CPU time. I'm not doing much in the function though, just a simple GetSpellBonusHealing() |
| 12:12.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah PLAYER_DAMAGE_DONE_MODS looks like it |
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| 12:13.29 | Gagorian- | Although if you want it to work like you explained why would you excluse buffs? |
| 12:13.46 | Gagorian- | s/excluse/exclude/ |
| 12:14.04 | berdan | I don't want to exclude buffs |
| 12:14.11 | Arrowmaster | rereading what he originally asked, i made the same mistake reading it |
| 12:14.27 | Arrowmaster | he said that event didnt fire when buffs did it |
| 12:14.37 | Gagorian- | oh |
| 12:14.41 | Gagorian- | yeah, I see |
| 12:14.44 | Arrowmaster | not asking for one that didnt fire when buffs did it |
| 12:15.16 | Gagorian- | I processed "That one" as "One that" |
| 12:15.23 | Gagorian- | slight difference :> |
| 12:15.33 | Arrowmaster | are you dyslexic too? |
| 12:15.39 | Gagorian- | Not that I know of! |
| 12:16.21 | Arrowmaster | i am but its very minor |
| 12:16.37 | berdan | Gagorian-: That event worked like a charm, thanks |
| 12:16.49 | Gagorian- | Good :) |
| 12:17.25 | berdan | It fires four times when I change weapon, but guess that's not much overhead. |
| 12:17.54 | Gagorian- | Well there's always the option of bucketing it |
| 12:18.05 | Gagorian- | It could be very spammy on login for example, dunno |
| 12:18.30 | Arrowmaster | its likely very spammy when you change gear sets |
| 12:18.37 | berdan | Right⦠I think I'll get the basics of this addon done first before I go to the deep end of the pool. :P |
| 12:18.41 | Gagorian- | Yeah probably |
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| 12:19.44 | Gagorian- | In DrDamage I use bucketed UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED and UNIT_AURA and a custom stat check function, but I do need to follow a lot more variables than just spelldamage |
| 12:20.24 | Arrowmaster | you can probably completely remove UNIT_AURA if you use all the events the paperdollframe does |
| 12:20.38 | Arrowmaster | oh unless theres some really special buffs |
| 12:20.55 | Gagorian- | yeah I look at buffs too |
| 12:21.26 | Gagorian- | Depends on class but I'd say most can't be replaced with those events |
| 12:21.51 | Gagorian- | Or well, most of the custom ones |
| 12:22.04 | berdan | Not spammy at all when changing sets, btw |
| 12:22.14 | berdan | Fires four times then too |
| 12:22.23 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 12:23.13 | Gagorian- | Would of course be nice to find some more specific events but it's very unlikely |
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| 12:26.27 | Gagorian- | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_EQUIPMENT_CHANGED |
| 12:26.27 | Gagorian- | hmmh |
| 12:26.32 | Gagorian- | Anyone know when that triggers? |
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| 12:27.21 | Xinhuan | appears mimiron hard mode got stealth nerfed |
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| 12:29.20 | Thaoky | Gagorian: just a guess, but since UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED tells you when you change a piece of equipment, I would assume that PLAYER_EQUIPMENT_CHANGED might refer to sets in the equipment manager |
| 12:29.46 | sb|work | Xinhuan: how? |
| 12:30.48 | Xinhuan | fire damage halfed, HP of boss reduced 10%, heat wave damage reduced, P3 emergency bot doesn't silence anymore, rapid burst less damage |
| 12:30.58 | sb|work | lol |
| 12:31.00 | sb|work | ffs |
| 12:31.04 | Xinhuan | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=67728.0 |
| 12:31.08 | Xinhuan | see this for more |
| 12:31.26 | Xinhuan | there's a link on first post to wow forums for a more detailed thread |
| 12:31.31 | sb|work | well heat wave damage + silence - so its easy then :o |
| 12:31.44 | jnwhiteh | Gagorian-: as Thaoky says, it's equipment based |
| 12:31.45 | EthanCentaurai | is there a way to get quest IDs from once-click quests such as "Honor the Flame" in-game? I need quest IDs of the bonfires in Northrend and wowhead isn't being helpful |
| 12:31.54 | jnwhiteh | first appears in build 9626, which was the 3.1.0 PTR |
| 12:31.58 | Gagorian- | jnwhiteh: Related or unrelated to equipment manager? |
| 12:32.25 | jnwhiteh | related. |
| 12:32.29 | Xinhuan | well rusted protodrake inc soon then |
| 12:32.31 | jnwhiteh | pretty positive :P |
| 12:32.46 | Xinhuan | EthanCentaurai, try using your alt |
| 12:32.51 | Xinhuan | run aronud the low lvl areas |
| 12:32.55 | Xinhuan | like khranos |
| 12:33.17 | jnwhiteh | Gagorian-: but its not used anywhere in frameXML that I can see |
| 12:33.46 | Xinhuan | but if it helps you, EthanCentaurai |
| 12:33.47 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=honor+the+flame |
| 12:34.03 | Gagorian- | jnwhiteh: Myeah, need to test it I guess |
| 12:34.09 | sb|work | Xinhuan: still need 1 light then :p |
| 12:34.32 | Xinhuan | and http://www.wowhead.com/?search=desecrate+this+fire! |
| 12:34.34 | Gagorian- | jnwhiteh: seems to trigger on any equipment change at least |
| 12:34.43 | Gagorian- | arg1 is equipment slot |
| 12:34.48 | jnwhiteh | Gagorian-: even if not done through the eq manager? |
| 12:34.49 | EthanCentaurai | how does that help me when I can't tell which is which? |
| 12:35.05 | Gagorian- | jnwhiteh: Indeed |
| 12:35.30 | Gagorian- | arg2 is triggered when it's equipped, nil when unequipped |
| 12:35.35 | Xinhuan | well EthanCentaurai, you read the comments |
| 12:35.37 | Xinhuan | of each one |
| 12:36.28 | Xinhuan | EthanCentaurai: another tip |
| 12:36.28 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1022 |
| 12:36.31 | Gagorian- | Well, it's not triggered on applying weapon buffs so.. can't use it, otherwise would be good |
| 12:36.32 | Xinhuan | the achievement links to each quest |
| 12:37.06 | Xinhuan | i'm sure you can work it out from there |
| 12:37.59 | EthanCentaurai | there is no Northrend achievement |
| 12:38.41 | Xinhuan | you'll have to do some manual work for those 16 elders (8 horde and 8 alliance), and the 16 bonfires then |
| 12:40.34 | Gagorian- | Triggers on every slot changed so spammy when swapping, but that's what unit_inventory_changed does too |
| 12:41.05 | Xinhuan | think the npc names are Flame Keeper or something |
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| 13:01.23 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 * r2124 / (17 files in 6 directories): - Add new WishList |
| 13:01.26 | Repo | - Filter Update |
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| 13:16.23 | Gagorian- | What's your opinion, is it really worth doing GetInventorySlotInfo("MainHandSlot") instead of just using 16? |
| 13:16.32 | Gagorian- | When have the slots actually changed? |
| 13:24.09 | digmouse | question: where can I find the Equip Manager? |
| 13:26.22 | Gagorian- | Enable it in the interface options first |
| 13:26.29 | Gagorian- | then it's in the upper right corner of character screen |
| 13:26.30 | SunTsu | digmouse: After you activated it in interface options: In your char's view |
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| 13:28.17 | digmouse | ah, got it |
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| 13:42.30 | steev | Vonhinten: i am now |
| 13:42.54 | steev | Vonhinten: we took a half day yesterday since we had been at the datacenter til almost 3am |
| 13:44.33 | steev | http://yawoot.com/post/3522 |
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| 13:46.38 | EthanCentaurai | what the hell is wrong with humanity? :| |
| 13:47.54 | thul | it lacks cowbell |
| 13:48.12 | thul | and the racials? comeon. Other races have fangs, claws, night-vision, ecco-hearing for use in total darkness |
| 13:48.21 | thul | our racial is just.. "intelligence" |
| 13:48.23 | thul | crap. |
| 13:49.50 | EthanCentaurai | ur racial is just.. "foul mouthing with lack of intelligence" <-- fixt |
| 13:49.56 | EthanCentaurai | +o |
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| 13:51.33 | thul | "your" |
| 13:51.35 | thul | ? |
| 13:51.41 | EthanCentaurai | I meant "our" |
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| 13:53.13 | EthanCentaurai | I'm just fed up of people trying to be "hard" or "cool" or whatever by using obscenities as punctuation |
| 13:56.54 | thul | hmm, I use obsceneties as a natural part of my language, without trying to be hard or cool, I think that is a very cultural-dependent thing. |
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| 14:08.13 | Gagorian- | In what kind of situations would UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE or UNIT_MODEL_CHANGED trigger except the obvious druid shapeshifts, polymorphs etc? |
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| 14:08.40 | Gagorian- | It triggers on weapon temporary buff applications so it seems like a better candidate than UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED |
| 14:08.47 | Gagorian- | Unless it's spammy in some other situation |
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| 14:13.11 | Gagorian- | Meh, seems even portrait triggers on all equipment change |
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| 14:14.37 | Belazor | obviously, if you changed helm or something it needs to update portrait :p |
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| 14:18.43 | Gagorian- | Well I didn't change an item that makes an impact on the portrait |
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| 14:19.33 | Funkeh` | are world event achievements account based, i.e. will the proto drake be for 1 cha ronly? |
| 14:20.45 | berdan | Funkeh`: At least the Heroic proto drake (red) is one char only |
| 14:21.05 | berdan | And I guess the world event one would be the same |
| 14:22.06 | Funkeh` | they really should just make achievements account based |
| 14:22.14 | Funkeh` | it's quite annoying |
| 14:23.02 | Funkeh` | guess we need to wait till 4.0 probably |
| 14:24.26 | Bruners | uhm, why make them account based? |
| 14:24.40 | Belazor | because getting them on an alt as well in a pain in the arse |
| 14:24.57 | Bruners | thats what a achivement is |
| 14:25.00 | Belazor | and its you as a player who's achieved something |
| 14:25.04 | Belazor | not your character |
| 14:25.31 | Bruners | its you as a player on that character |
| 14:25.51 | EthanCentaurai | what would happen to the rewards then? would they be given to all current and future alts too? |
| 14:25.56 | Belazor | then why not make it gear dependant too, after all you didnt achieve it wearing that gear |
| 14:25.57 | Belazor | :p |
| 14:26.17 | Bruners | Belazor: uhm, achivement done is achivement done |
| 14:26.18 | Thaoky | Funkeh: I remember that in WotLK beta, there were some account-based achievements, they should be back in the game in the future, but it's been a while since I heard news about them |
| 14:27.08 | Funkeh` | yup I remember discussion about it too |
| 14:27.09 | Belazor | exactly, so why would I need to achieve it again on another character? it just seems pointless |
| 14:27.11 | Gnarfoz | I don't remember those, what were they? |
| 14:27.17 | EthanCentaurai | morale of the story is don't make so many alts :P |
| 14:27.18 | Funkeh` | In beta I was under the impresion they were all account based |
| 14:27.32 | Funkeh` | EthanCentaurai, too late |
| 14:27.35 | Gnarfoz | nah, that certainly not |
| 14:27.37 | Thaoky | ex: 1 char to max level, 1 char of each faciton to max lv, 1 char of each class, etc.. |
| 14:27.46 | Thaoky | *faction |
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| 14:28.31 | Funkeh` | Yeah have fun getting every char exalted to everything |
| 14:28.52 | Funkeh` | I'd have more luck shitting out an egg |
| 14:29.22 | Bruners | they should make all alts be level 80 if you have already leveled one to 80 |
| 14:29.39 | Bruners | as its such a pain to level them |
| 14:30.58 | Thaoky | I found it worse during BC personnally |
| 14:34.23 | steev | yesterday was painful in uld 10 |
| 14:34.40 | steev | yeah... leveling isn't exactly hard |
| 14:34.53 | steev | boa shoulders+midsummers buff == phat xp |
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| 14:35.25 | Belazor | Funkeh`: Not watched Me, Myself & Irene? |
| 14:35.26 | Belazor | XD |
| 14:37.00 | steev | so we went in with, 1dk, 1 prot war, 1 bear drood, 2 boomkin, 1 resto druid, 2 resto shaman, 1 mage, 1 warlock |
| 14:37.06 | steev | it was unfun |
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| 14:38.16 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1024 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 14:38.20 | Repo | - Now uses PLAYER_EQUIPMENT_CHANGED instead of UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED as it's more specific and also returns the changed slot, which is useful in a few cases, leading to a small performance improvement |
| 14:38.20 | WobNet | Bruners: that would be terrible |
| 14:38.26 | Repo | - Temporary weapon buff checks still need to use UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED as that still seems to be the best way of doing it, but it's only registered for Death Knights, Shamans, Rogues and Warlocks |
| 14:38.30 | WobNet | you'd have 80 tanks that have never tanked before |
| 14:38.38 | WobNet | I mean, not like it -doesn't- happen already |
| 14:38.41 | WobNet | but it'd be more rife |
| 14:39.00 | steev | true story |
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| 14:39.41 | steev | ran into an instance, dk was tanking who said "i'm a dk, i don't need tanking gear" |
| 14:39.53 | steev | and proceeded to get owned by the first mob |
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| 14:42.00 | ckknight_ | steev: I've also had people (in PUGs) who believed that DKs absolutely, 100%, could never tank |
| 14:42.00 | ckknight_ | and were pure DPS |
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| 14:42.55 | Stanzilla | DKs are healers...end of story |
| 14:42.57 | EthanCentaurai | ckknight: I'm one of those who believe that, having never had a successful raid with a DK "tank" |
| 14:43.17 | EthanCentaurai | they insist on staying in Blood Stance |
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| 14:43.34 | ckknight_ | EthanCentaurai: wth |
| 14:43.34 | EthanCentaurai | or Blood Presence or whatever it's called |
| 14:43.45 | ckknight_ | Imp Frost Presence ftw |
| 14:43.51 | steev | EthanCentaurai: er |
| 14:43.52 | EthanCentaurai | I get stuck with the idiots |
| 14:44.06 | steev | EthanCentaurai: are you serious? |
| 14:44.08 | ckknight_ | in any event, I play a pally mostly. I started a DK last week for tanking purposes |
| 14:44.25 | EthanCentaurai | my Priest could tank better than the DK's I've grouped with :P |
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| 14:44.32 | steev | um, yeah |
| 14:44.35 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 14:44.44 | steev | any dk that stays in blood presence for tanking is full of fail |
| 14:44.52 | Funkeh` | I could DK tank with my penis it's that easy |
| 14:45.51 | ckknight | Funkeh`: I guess if you positioned the keyboard properly |
| 14:45.52 | steev | our guild does just fine with a DK tank |
| 14:46.07 | ckknight | so that your dick can smack 1-7 randomly |
| 14:46.45 | thul | I think I want a . Epson Stylus Pro 3800 |
| 14:46.46 | thul | an even |
| 14:47.04 | EthanCentaurai | I have no doubt that DK's can be tanks when played properly, I'm just yet to group with one who can |
| 14:47.16 | steev | EthanCentaurai: what server? |
| 14:47.16 | Funkeh` | Yeah because after talking about dicks I tend to want to buy a printer too |
| 14:47.24 | Kalroth | :D |
| 14:47.29 | EthanCentaurai | Azjol-Nerub EU |
| 14:47.51 | steev | ah |
| 14:47.57 | steev | well, those crazy euros |
| 14:48.45 | thul | Funkeh`: doesen't we all react that way? |
| 14:48.49 | steev | ./configure --help |
| 14:48.51 | steev | fail |
| 14:49.00 | Funkeh` | :> |
| 14:49.30 | WobNet | steev: I've had to heal a DK that believed that just cause he had Frost Presence, he could tank |
| 14:49.57 | WobNet | I waited for two deaths, then bailed |
| 14:50.00 | thul | my DK is uncrittable |
| 14:50.01 | thul | JUHU! |
| 14:50.02 | steev | WobNet: being as i have a dk tank, and a dk that's strictly dps |
| 14:50.12 | steev | i know my limits and what i can and can't do |
| 14:50.22 | steev | what i can do: tank for ~12 seconds |
| 14:50.27 | steev | what i can't do: tank an instance |
| 14:50.28 | WobNet | now any DK that doesn't have at least 5/5/5, I refuse to heal |
| 14:50.40 | steev | WobNet: you'd refuse to heal me then :( |
| 14:50.43 | steev | 5/5/0 |
| 14:50.45 | thul | 5/5/5 ... ? |
| 14:50.48 | steev | dodge is for sissies |
| 14:50.54 | WobNet | blade barrier, toughness, anticipatoin |
| 14:50.58 | steev | TAKE YOUR HITS LIKE A MAN |
| 14:51.04 | WobNet | steev: yeah, I probably would =P |
| 14:51.05 | steev | right Funkeh` ? |
| 14:51.23 | Funkeh` | you know it |
| 14:51.29 | WobNet | well, I'd judge first, how much damage you eat in the first few encounters |
| 14:51.43 | WobNet | and then bail if I use more than half my mana bar |
| 14:51.43 | steev | WobNet: eh, that was a long time ago |
| 14:51.53 | steev | pre last nerf |
| 14:52.02 | WobNet | cause by that time, there's no way I'd be able to keep you up at a boss |
| 14:52.09 | steev | 51/8/12 |
| 14:52.15 | steev | is what my tank spec is currently |
| 14:52.36 | WobNet | I've stuck to frost tanking |
| 14:52.43 | WobNet | but who knows after the patch =P |
| 14:52.51 | steev | a lot of people do, i also like unholy tanking |
| 14:52.57 | steev | blood tanking gets me the most health though |
| 14:53.10 | WobNet | true, blood tap is nice |
| 14:53.26 | steev | vampiric blood |
| 14:53.29 | WobNet | mmmm |
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| 14:53.49 | steev | blood tap is the blood->death rune |
| 14:53.57 | WobNet | maybe I should consider blood tanking for mim |
| 14:54.11 | steev | thats what we use |
| 14:54.19 | steev | granted, we've only gotten him down on 10 |
| 14:54.27 | WobNet | I'm only working on 10 so far |
| 14:54.27 | steev | and have yet to actually GET TO him on 25 |
| 14:54.33 | WobNet | yeah this =) |
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| 14:54.55 | steev | wtf |
| 14:55.01 | steev | the past few times i've logged in |
| 14:55.07 | steev | my dk's haven't been in any presence |
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| 14:55.18 | WobNet | weird |
| 14:55.22 | steev | i probably dps'd 4 fights in ulduar before noticing |
| 14:56.41 | steev | i only have 30.1k health in my tanking gear |
| 14:56.41 | steev | in frost presence |
| 14:56.41 | steev | 38.9 when i pop my trinket and vampiric blood |
| 14:56.41 | steev | FFS |
| 14:57.02 | steev | our damn server room keeps overheating |
| 14:57.08 | steev | because the AC in there isn't working properly |
| 14:58.09 | WobNet | hits 40k raidbuffed |
| 14:58.21 | WobNet | I should probably regem a bit for more avoidance |
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| 15:19.52 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/18031186153-omg-our-new-tank-is-11.html < hahaha |
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| 15:21.53 | winkiller | Stanzilla: there's an easy check. if the 11yr old can type better than 10% of your adult guildies, there's no reason he should play worse :P |
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| 15:22.02 | winkiller | but if he stypin like tghis then nochenxe! |
| 15:22.22 | winkiller | wow, it's hard to fuck up typing that much :P |
| 15:22.30 | Stanzilla | true :P |
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| 15:23.37 | winkiller | back in 2006 I had a few 13yr old guildies. apart from highpitched voices on TS and too many naruto/pokemon jokes, all was fine |
| 15:23.44 | winkiller | not MORE bad jokes, just different style |
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| 15:36.45 | WobNet | Our guild has a "must be 25 or more" rule |
| 15:37.04 | WobNet | anyone that can fake that, is fine by me =) |
| 15:37.31 | WobNet | ie, get all the pop culture references from at least the 80s |
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| 15:39.49 | drweird | m |
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| 15:41.55 | steev | WobNet: that would be nice |
| 15:42.04 | steev | our guild is "casual" raiding |
| 15:42.07 | steev | which is annoying as sin |
| 15:42.37 | steev | tues thur sun are raid days, we get ~30 sign ups for tues, then thurs we get around 20ish, and sunday we get around 8 |
| 15:44.08 | thul | I have a new rule, girls with "i have the pussy, I make the rules"-tshirts: Stay away from them |
| 15:45.27 | Elkano | just get a "I have the cock, I don't give a damn"-shirt ;) |
| 15:47.06 | thul | I should |
| 15:47.46 | WobNet | Just hand them a brochure for a vibrator and tell them to go fuck themselves |
| 15:48.29 | thul | I should do that too. |
| 15:48.34 | thul | I just _hate_ that attitude. |
| 15:48.36 | thul | with a vengeance. |
| 15:48.44 | WobNet | aye |
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| 15:57.34 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2156 ARLDatamine.lua: |
| 15:57.37 | Repo | Fix for ticket 672, scan the spell ID and not the vendor ID. |
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| 16:06.21 | Repo | 10auto-invite: 03idefix6 * r40 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 16:06.24 | Repo | Updated french translation (thanks to Jerome providing and testing it). |
| 16:08.21 | Fisker | slaps thul around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:12.09 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2157 RecipeDB (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 16:12.09 | Repo | Update the cooking recipes for 3.2, including the new bread of the dead with the seasonal achievement. Need seasonal category IDs for this to be fully implemented. |
| 16:16.24 | EthanCentaurai | Bread of the Dead: Ghoulicious! :D |
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| 16:16.54 | EthanCentaurai | >.> |
| 16:16.56 | EthanCentaurai | <.< |
| 16:17.00 | EthanCentaurai | sulks in a corner |
| 16:17.14 | nicoli_s | that was pretty cheesy |
| 16:17.25 | thul | mutilates Fisker |
| 16:17.34 | EthanCentaurai | it was worth a try :P |
| 16:22.27 | ulic | hehe, never seen my name highlighted in my client for ghoulicious before :P |
| 16:23.12 | harl|away | wtf is wrong with my druid. an hour ago he started standing up again every time i called him to sit down. |
| 16:23.56 | ulic | are you in Blades Edge? |
| 16:24.18 | ulic | there was a bug in Blades Edge that would make you stand up. |
| 16:24.49 | harl | i've been there today, but that's long ago. it started when i was back in orgrimmar. |
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| 16:25.33 | stolenlegacy | Kaelten, ckknight: ping |
| 16:25.49 | ckknight | pong |
| 16:26.17 | stolenlegacy | cc 4.0 servers are down? |
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| 16:30.26 | harl | my druid's now in dalaran and it's still the same. |
| 16:30.51 | harl | logged on with 3 other chars and they're fine. all using the same add-ons and game settings. |
| 16:32.29 | harl | exiting wow didn't help either |
| 16:32.54 | nicoli_s | stolenlegacy, let me check |
| 16:33.09 | stolenlegacy | getting an error when i start up |
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| 16:33.38 | nicoli_s | yeah theres some problem, will let michael know |
| 16:33.55 | Pneumatus^^ | looks like the 4.0 login server is playing up |
| 16:34.28 | stolenlegacy | tried opening in browser, isn't working either |
| 16:34.38 | Pneumatus^^ | fortunately we can still run 3.0 side by side :) |
| 16:34.51 | stolenlegacy | but dns resolving is working |
| 16:35.54 | nicoli_s | i emailed the boss, hes out of town, but hopefully he can fix it remotely |
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| 16:37.29 | Pneumatus^^ | is there a barber in dalaran, the stupid guards on the PTR wont tell me |
| 16:37.39 | Pneumatus^^ | we |
| 16:37.41 | Pneumatus^^ | er, darnassus |
| 16:38.22 | Pneumatus^^ | i bet they are just if/sw for alliance :< |
| 16:43.25 | Pneumatus | if an addon has a higher TOC number than live, do you need to tick load out of date to make it load? |
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| 16:44.49 | EthanCentaurai | yes |
| 16:45.03 | harl | disabling all add-ons didn't help my druid to keep sitting |
| 16:45.33 | nicoli_s | stolenlegacy, fixed |
| 16:46.14 | nicoli_s | err nm |
| 16:46.21 | nicoli_s | it launches, but i dont have any addons |
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| 17:01.18 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2158 RecipeDB (3 files in 1 directory): Add 3.2 BS and Eng items. |
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| 17:08.01 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03durcyn * r5738 Northrend/Koralon.lua: |
| 17:08.04 | Repo | Add preliminary Koralon the Flame Watcher module from 3.2 PTR |
| 17:10.29 | durcyn | harl: it's some kind of bug with summon |
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| 17:19.25 | harl | summon? |
| 17:19.33 | Belazor | say 123 for summon |
| 17:19.39 | harl | lol |
| 17:19.54 | Belazor | healers say 123 |
| 17:19.56 | Belazor | tanks say 321 |
| 17:20.38 | harl | why would a bug like that persist through login sessions |
| 17:20.53 | harl | that doesn't make much sense to me |
| 17:25.20 | Belazor | ? |
| 17:30.00 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2159 RecipeDB (7 files in 1 directory): |
| 17:30.03 | Repo | Fix a few db errors and add templates for remaining recipes... JC sucks. |
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| 17:33.18 | Bruners | http://store.digitalpraise.com/guitarpraise-2.aspx |
| 17:35.29 | harl | let's see if dying helps |
| 17:37.34 | harl | yeah, it did. lol |
| 17:38.20 | harl | stupid bug really |
| 17:39.03 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2160 RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua: Add expansion flags. |
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| 17:40.19 | Repo | 10little-wigs-tbc: 03ulic * r8 Coilfang/Ahune.lua: Ahune - Possible fix for the new spellIDs, drycoded |
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| 17:48.09 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r2125 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update |
| 17:50.16 | harl | l8r |
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| 18:07.50 | Vonhinten | steev, ping |
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| 18:22.54 | NivFreak | does anyone know if these gem xmutes are going to have a CD? |
| 18:23.08 | NivFreak | epic gem xmutes |
| 18:24.20 | sacarasc | Trans becomes x? :o |
| 18:25.13 | NivFreak | common shorthand on my server at least |
| 18:25.29 | Torhal | Mine as well |
| 18:25.50 | Torhal | Only treason I can think of is trans = cross in certain situations. |
| 18:26.00 | Torhal | s/teason/reason/ |
| 18:26.04 | Torhal | fuck it |
| 18:26.07 | Torhal | I'll finish waking up |
| 18:29.52 | Xinhuan | transfer --> xfer |
| 18:29.59 | Xinhuan | transmute -> xmute |
| 18:30.09 | steev | Vonhinten: pong (just got back from lunch) |
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| 18:37.32 | encorn | Hi all, Give where I can get acquainted with the girls tell me please. |
| 18:37.50 | Torhal | I wish I had ops. |
| 18:38.03 | Torhal | I'm just grumpy enough to use them. |
| 18:38.55 | encorn | You better tell me where I can talk to girls |
| 18:39.00 | encorn | You better tell me where I can talk to girls |
| 18:39.28 | durcyn | Fisker is a girl, encorn |
| 18:39.32 | durcyn | talk to her |
| 18:40.09 | Bruners | encorn: there are no girls on the internet |
| 18:40.18 | encorn | oO |
| 18:40.19 | encorn | A channel is to learn? |
| 18:40.52 | encorn | Really? |
| 18:40.55 | encorn | :( |
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| 18:42.34 | steev | really. |
| 18:42.51 | encorn | :( |
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| 18:45.26 | harl | wtf? |
| 18:45.32 | steev | nou |
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| 18:51.51 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2161 RecipeDB/ARL-Jewelcraft.lua: Add new JC stuff in detail... acquire, items, etc. |
| 18:56.24 | harl | lol.. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/ScvsugYq3II/AAAAAAAAfDo/-E_nYARhiF8/s1600-h/mike-litoris.jpg |
| 18:56.46 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2162 RecipeDB/ARL-Jewelcraft.lua: Add expansion flags for all of JC. |
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| 19:06.24 | ckknight | harl: old |
| 19:06.31 | Fisker | your mom is a girl |
| 19:06.47 | Fisker | wait |
| 19:07.40 | Xtek | ooh... burn... |
| 19:07.47 | harl | that could even be a compliment |
| 19:08.51 | Antiarc | holy god, yes |
| 19:08.56 | Antiarc | they nerfed Firefighter |
| 19:09.07 | Fisker | i nerfed your firefighter |
| 19:09.12 | Antiarc | Perhaps raiding this week will not feel like crushing my nuts in a vice |
| 19:09.17 | Fisker | you know the one babby is formed from |
| 19:09.33 | Fisker | we just took FL 4 towers on 25-man :o |
| 19:09.39 | Antiarc | The nerf is appreciated, I was having trouble zipping my pants :D |
| 19:09.40 | Fisker | almost too easy now |
| 19:09.50 | Antiarc | Yeah, FL+4 got smacked hardcore |
| 19:10.17 | durcyn | freya's still going to be obnoxious on 25 |
| 19:10.27 | durcyn | everything else is a cakewalk now :/ |
| 19:10.48 | Bruners | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2040 is not a cakewalk |
| 19:10.59 | Fisker | 429150 DPS, 2 174 262 362 Damage Done |
| 19:11.00 | Fisker | :P |
| 19:11.03 | Fisker | our raid sofar |
| 19:11.04 | durcyn | you -still- don't have that, Bruners? |
| 19:11.12 | durcyn | sooooo bad |
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| 19:11.17 | Bruners | not really tried doing it |
| 19:11.36 | Bruners | with using the old exploits i guess it was easy |
| 19:11.41 | durcyn | should've cheesed it when you could still evade-reset him =P |
| 19:11.54 | Fisker | and get banned for it |
| 19:12.00 | Fisker | bam |
| 19:12.09 | durcyn | when was anyone ever banned for a five man achievement |
| 19:12.10 | airtonix | re: ace3config, [ http://pastebin.com/m25b1e876 ] is it possible to set a default value to be selected in a childGroups = "select" widget? |
| 19:12.22 | Bruners | when was anyone banned for anything |
| 19:12.27 | Fisker | durcyn ? |
| 19:12.31 | durcyn | Fisker ! |
| 19:13.53 | Stanzilla | just facerolled Firefighter |
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| 19:13.54 | Fisker | people got banned for exploiting it |
| 19:14.00 | durcyn | those people must've done something monumentally stupid like brag about it on forums then |
| 19:14.52 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:15.00 | Fisker | They probably made some shit to detect it |
| 19:15.03 | Antiarc | I got my 1000 emblems of valor/heroism achievements a week after WotLK came out >_> |
| 19:15.12 | Fisker | fuck you exploiter |
| 19:15.12 | durcyn | Antiarc++ |
| 19:15.12 | Antiarc | BUT, in fairness |
| 19:15.18 | Fisker | i never got to do it with valor |
| 19:15.18 | Antiarc | That's because the achievement was horribly coded |
| 19:15.28 | Antiarc | So terribly, terribly coded. |
| 19:15.30 | ckknight | durcyn: gotta put ~ on the front |
| 19:15.40 | durcyn | ckknight: only if i want it to actually work |
| 19:15.45 | ckknight | true |
| 19:19.14 | Antiarc | holy cow |
| 19:19.14 | Antiarc | http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/25/obit.fawcett/index.html |
| 19:20.24 | airtonix | ckknight, can you please let me know how it is possible to make frames be the default visible option shown in the dropwidget created by this ace3Config table : http://pastebin.com/m12afdc2 ? |
| 19:21.01 | ckknight | default visible option? |
| 19:21.23 | airtonix | as in the option you see in the drop down menu that the top level group creates |
| 19:21.33 | Repo | 10tourguide-midsummerfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.3.2-beta-2-gb608819 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Bugfix. Thanks Aenora! |
| 19:22.53 | Fisker | is she hot Antiarc ? |
| 19:23.25 | airtonix | ckknight, here is the visual context : http://files.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/ace3config-dropdownmenu.jpg |
| 19:24.09 | ckknight | ooh, don't know for that, never dealt with that kind of group |
| 19:24.15 | airtonix | ok |
| 19:24.19 | ckknight | you could stick Frames above Colours |
| 19:24.28 | ckknight | also, you put an extra 'u' into Colours |
| 19:24.34 | airtonix | yeah tried that, and i tried setting orser too |
| 19:24.37 | ckknight | easy to mistake, seems to happen to a lot of people |
| 19:24.42 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: you spelled it wrong |
| 19:24.57 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, how? |
| 19:25.07 | Arrowmaster | its "Color" =D |
| 19:25.13 | airtonix | no |
| 19:25.36 | airtonix | thanks anyway though :) |
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| 19:26.57 | airtonix | so order of appearance is only determined by the key name and the intial option show is only going to be the first one |
| 19:27.29 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was an order key |
| 19:27.37 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: God I wish. |
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| 19:28.14 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: When I did the filtering stuff for Auras in PB4 I had to resort to using two letter keys for the prebuilt filters so they sorted in a logical way rather than just randomly by alphabet. |
| 19:28.26 | Shefki | Well it's not random but it's not logical for the filters. |
| 19:29.15 | Shefki | Speaking of AceConfig irritating me... |
| 19:29.17 | Starinnia | can't you make an order key, like order = 1 |
| 19:29.21 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, there is, but it doesnt seem to work with groups shown as an entry in a drop down widget |
| 19:29.23 | Starinnia | and thats displayed first |
| 19:29.24 | Shefki | WTH does it resize the dialog everytime you change a setting. |
| 19:29.27 | Shefki | That's so annoying. |
| 19:29.37 | airtonix | i know |
| 19:30.06 | Shefki | Starinnia: That's for the config objects not the entries in the dropdown. |
| 19:30.17 | Shefki | Dropdown entries just have a vlaues table of key and value. |
| 19:30.22 | Shefki | It sorts by the key. |
| 19:30.26 | Shefki | Which is really damn annoying. |
| 19:30.34 | Shefki | Because the key may be way different from what the user sees. |
| 19:30.38 | Starinnia | ah, I must have missed the start of the conversation |
| 19:30.59 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 19:31.03 | Arrowmaster | i just woke up |
| 19:31.09 | Shefki | Wow Arrow so did I. |
| 19:31.22 | Arrowmaster | is it 3:30pm for you too? |
| 19:31.30 | Shefki | 12:30 pm |
| 19:31.57 | Shefki | I'm a slacker since I'm retired. |
| 19:31.57 | Bruners | 21:31 ftw |
| 19:31.59 | airtonix | the other reason its annoying for me is that by keeping the key the same as the db property im manipulating i can minimise on the amount of code i need to use to switch around with |
| 19:32.32 | Shefki | airtonix: Suggest that you be able to pass in a sorted list of keys. |
| 19:32.52 | Shefki | airtonix: Or just write the patch and bug nevcariel into putting it in. |
| 19:33.02 | airtonix | might opt for the latter |
| 19:33.28 | Shefki | Can't imagine it'd be that hard for it to use an already sorted list of keys. |
| 19:33.49 | Repo | 10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw * r38 TankMastery.lua: * Oops... Fixed DK detection. |
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| 19:35.18 | syeren | Hmm, does Cladhaire use that handle on IRC? |
| 19:35.27 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2163 RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua: Add all pre-BC echanting skill up levels. |
| 19:35.27 | jnwhiteh | in theory |
| 19:35.31 | jnwhiteh | i'm cladhaire. |
| 19:35.33 | Repo | 10tankmastery: 03ahmetqw 04v0.81 * r39 : Tagging as v0.81 |
| 19:36.17 | durcyn | ~rlart |
| 19:36.17 | purl | plops julian_ into a giant vat of herring |
| 19:36.28 | Shefki | syeren: Don't fall for it. |
| 19:36.53 | Shefki | @project tankmastery |
| 19:36.55 | Repo | Shefki: http://www.wowace.com/projects/tankmastery/. TankMastery. Game: WoW. ahmetqw (Manager/Author). Updated: 17 hours ago. Tickets: 1/5 |
| 19:38.21 | Shefki | Hmm let's see what the pb4 tickets look like lol |
| 19:38.24 | Shefki | @project pitbull4 |
| 19:38.25 | Repo | Shefki: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/. PitBull Unit Frames 4.0. Game: WoW. ckknight (Manager/Author), Shefki (Author), vangual (Author), Stanzilla (Ticket Manager). Updated: 47 hours ago. Tickets: 111/458 |
| 19:38.29 | Shefki | lawl |
| 19:39.07 | Starinnia | only 111 open tickets? |
| 19:39.16 | Starinnia | hmm, I should go open a few, give you some more work |
| 19:39.18 | Shefki | Yeah I know. |
| 19:39.28 | Shefki | Starinnia: If you've got valid issues go for it. |
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| 19:39.44 | Shefki | Probably 90% of that is enhancement requests. |
| 19:39.51 | Starinnia | you usually commit my issues before I can open a ticket |
| 19:40.05 | Starinnia | download the new version and what I noticed is fixed |
| 19:40.24 | Shefki | Usually because someone said something or opened a ticket. |
| 19:41.05 | Shefki | Most of the defects anymore are either stuff I already know about and just haven't gotten to and are very edge case... Or stuff that I flat out can't reproduce. |
| 19:41.12 | Starinnia | I thought maybe you or ckk was omniscient |
| 19:41.12 | Stanzilla | I heard the pitbull ticket manager is awesome |
| 19:41.45 | Shefki | "This one time at bandcamp PitBull4 ate my schnauzer." |
| 19:42.10 | Shefki | "Can you explain how it ate your schnauzer, what were you doing, did it show any error messages..." |
| 19:42.13 | Shefki | <silence> |
| 19:43.07 | Shefki | I stick them in waiting for a while and if I don't get a response eventually I closed them as Invalid. |
| 19:43.38 | Starinnia | my favorite tickets, "your addon is broken" and thats all you ever hear about it |
| 19:44.18 | Shefki | Fucking Blizzard... |
| 19:44.29 | Shefki | So on FL+4 this week it didn't think I was eligible for loot. |
| 19:44.35 | Shefki | So the boots got ticketed to me. |
| 19:44.44 | Shefki | I ticketd for my emblems of conquest. |
| 19:44.52 | Shefki | After 2 days I get an email from them. |
| 19:44.57 | Shefki | Ohh hey here's your badges. |
| 19:45.02 | Shefki | Only one is attached. |
| 19:45.03 | ckknight | the pitbull ticket manager is awesome, Stanzilla |
| 19:45.19 | Shefki | Idiots it's 3 from FL+4 not 1. |
| 19:45.57 | Starinnia | the pitbull manager is equal to two ticket managers though |
| 19:46.08 | nicoli_s | i thouhgt you did pitbull ckknight |
| 19:46.31 | ckknight | nicoli_s: yea, but Stanzilla's the ticket manager. Shefki's also a co-developer |
| 19:46.53 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 19:47.34 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 19:47.49 | Stanzilla | not much to do tho, most of them are feature requests |
| 19:49.18 | Shefki | @ticket pitbull4 457 |
| 19:49.20 | Repo | Shefki: http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/tickets/457 - Cast bar disappears after pressing 'M'. Reported by: silkfire. Type: Defect. Updated: 83 minutes ago. Component: Core. Status: Waiting. Priority: Medium. Assignee: ckknight. Votes: 0. Comments: 3 |
| 19:49.24 | Shefki | ^ Ugh |
| 19:50.10 | Stanzilla | zomg |
| 19:50.26 | ckknight | mmm mmm mmm mmm |
| 19:50.33 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: cartographer tickets are worse |
| 19:50.41 | ckknight | Once there was this kid who got into an accident and couldn't come to school |
| 19:50.58 | Shefki | That silkfire guy bugs the crap out of me. |
| 19:51.26 | steev | i've replicated that before... with pretty much every castbar addon |
| 19:51.38 | durcyn | When he finally came back, his hair had turned from black into bright white |
| 19:51.43 | durcyn | ^5 ckknight |
| 19:51.45 | Shefki | steev: Umm how? |
| 19:51.59 | ckknight | durcyn: ;-) |
| 19:52.09 | ckknight | Shefki: He said that it was from when the cars had smashed so hard |
| 19:52.39 | steev | Shefki: *shrug* i don't mount and look at the map often, but i've noticed it, never really cared to be honest, its not like mounting up is super important to know how long the cast has left |
| 19:52.47 | steev | Shefki: but its easiest to see in a place like AV |
| 19:52.57 | steev | enter an AV thats already started |
| 19:53.30 | steev | run to where you can mount, hit the mount button, open map, close map, cast bar is gone (who cares you know when the cast finishes because theres a loud ass screeching sound as a DK) |
| 19:54.03 | steev | was awesome the first... 2 times i mounted as a DK, at this point im just like, please can i finish [For The Alliance] so I can have a bear |
| 19:54.25 | Shefki | I have the Blizzcon bear. Yay for BoA mounts. |
| 19:54.36 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 19:54.44 | steev | yeah... im not paying to hang out with yall |
| 19:54.47 | steev | :-P |
| 19:54.58 | Arrowmaster | what? it was only $40 |
| 19:55.09 | Shefki | I actually went last year so... |
| 19:55.35 | steev | only 40 bucks... if you live in walking distance |
| 19:55.37 | Shefki | Should be going this year... |
| 19:55.46 | steev | 40 buck+airfare+hotel/accomidations |
| 19:55.50 | Shefki | steev: he meant the direct tv thing. |
| 19:55.50 | Arrowmaster | steev: directv |
| 19:55.57 | steev | wut |
| 19:56.13 | Shefki | steev: You could buy the Direct TV feed and get the bear. |
| 19:56.17 | steev | wtf |
| 19:56.21 | Shefki | Didn't even have to go. |
| 19:56.22 | steev | why the hell didn't anyone tell me this shit |
| 19:56.25 | Arrowmaster | i gave somebody with directv $40 and they bought the payperview thing last year then gave me the code |
| 19:56.26 | Shefki | To be honest it kinda pissed me off. |
| 19:56.33 | Shefki | Everyone has the damn bear. |
| 19:56.41 | steev | <-- does not |
| 19:56.42 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 19:56.57 | Shefki | Previous years only a few people had the stuff. |
| 19:57.07 | Shefki | As usual Blizzard is catering the casuals. :P |
| 19:57.20 | steev | god damn casuals ruin everything. |
| 19:57.28 | durcyn | the next blizzcon pet is obtainable by paying for the stream, no? |
| 19:57.33 | durcyn | not even satellite |
| 19:57.35 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 19:57.38 | Arrowmaster | there was like only one Murky on the server after that blizcon, but then the guild transfered and i think there was none |
| 19:57.52 | Fisker | kicks Arrowmaster |
| 19:58.07 | Shefki | My old realm had a couple murkey's and a couple suits. |
| 19:58.13 | Shefki | But not a ton. |
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| 19:58.24 | Shefki | Murkimus is oddly somewhat rare. |
| 19:59.01 | Shefki | I've only seen the Mini-Tyrel once in game ever. |
| 19:59.14 | durcyn | i actually went to the first blizzcon, trust me when i tell you that murky was about the only thing you missed |
| 19:59.36 | Shefki | durcyn: Honestly it doesn't seem like that much happens at all. |
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| 19:59.41 | durcyn | lots and lots of lines |
| 19:59.42 | Shefki | But it's kinda fun anyway. |
| 19:59.45 | durcyn | the panels were mostly bullshit |
| 19:59.51 | durcyn | and i got to level a blood elf to 6. |
| 19:59.59 | Shefki | I'm still kinda mad about the UI panel. |
| 20:00.20 | Shefki | "Ohh hey do you think you'll ever implement something like Pally power, you gave Shamans a totem ui." |
| 20:00.30 | Shefki | "Umm no we don't think it's the same thing at all." |
| 20:00.35 | Shefki | boggles |
| 20:00.52 | Shefki | Raiding without Pally Power or something like it is downright infruitating. |
| 20:01.01 | durcyn | this was the bc announcement, so the panels consisted mostly of "BRD was haaard, we're going to make a bunch of dungeons in circles." how innovative. |
| 20:01.04 | Shefki | I want to strangle every Pally that doesn't have it. |
| 20:01.37 | Starinnia | I kick pallys from raids until they get it |
| 20:01.42 | Shefki | durcyn: Last year was mostly. "Umm yeah Sunwell was too hard, we won't make stuff that hard." |
| 20:01.44 | Starinnia | my raid leader is mad at me |
| 20:02.14 | Shefki | Starinnia: Yeah we require Pallies, Shamans, Druids and Locks to have oRA and Pallies to have PallyPower. |
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| 20:02.46 | Shefki | My guild seems to like DBM but I ignore them and use BigWigs. |
| 20:03.11 | Shefki | Mostly becuase I can just grumble at vhaarr if I don't like something. |
| 20:03.18 | Starinnia | same with me, our officers love DBM because it shows health bars for Mimi |
| 20:03.18 | Bruners | pros/cons BigWigs and DBM? |
| 20:03.30 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 20:03.35 | durcyn | DBM's written and maintained by a bunch of thieving hyenas. EOD. |
| 20:03.37 | Starinnia | I like BigWigs because I can fix things or poke vhaar here |
| 20:03.44 | Gnarfoz | could grumble at Tandanu for dbm :P |
| 20:03.44 | Funkeh` | why we gotta do this every week |
| 20:04.01 | Shefki | Starinnia: I'm afraid to touch it and insue the wrath of vhaarr. |
| 20:04.01 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: also by actual high-end raiders, hehe |
| 20:04.02 | vhaarr | because it's fun! |
| 20:04.08 | Bruners | i don't have any of them loaded when i raid :P |
| 20:04.18 | Shefki | Funkeh`: Do what? |
| 20:04.19 | Pneumatus | dbm would probably be less hated if they didnt support goldsellers |
| 20:04.20 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: grrr. |
| 20:04.35 | Starinnia | Shefki: vhaarr will only get mad at you if you break something |
| 20:04.51 | Starinnia | or add features |
| 20:04.51 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: what? *shrug* :D |
| 20:06.26 | Shefki | In other news... I destroyed the new Resto Druid in Vezax hard mode: http://contempt.shefki.org/sws-vezax-1245898730/index.html#healing |
| 20:06.53 | Gnarfoz | you had more OoC procs you mean? |
| 20:07.02 | Shefki | I only had 4 more procs. |
| 20:07.04 | Gnarfoz | also, that link is plain text output |
| 20:07.11 | Shefki | 4 moe procs dosn't = 300k healing diff. |
| 20:07.13 | Pneumatus | seeing the same |
| 20:07.17 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Shift click reload in FF |
| 20:07.23 | Shefki | Don't know why FF bugs out like that sometimes. |
| 20:07.36 | Gnarfoz | why would I need to "reload" the CSS when I didn't ever visit your page before? :D |
| 20:07.51 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Because FF thinks the server said text/plain when it didn't. |
| 20:07.55 | Shefki | it said text/html |
| 20:07.55 | Gnarfoz | should check what your server delivers ;) |
| 20:07.57 | Shefki | Reloading fixes it. |
| 20:08.02 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: It delivers text/html |
| 20:08.07 | Shefki | I've checked it a bazillion times. |
| 20:08.11 | Pneumatus | why no disc, Shefki :< |
| 20:08.21 | Shefki | No disc? |
| 20:08.27 | Gnarfoz | curiously I've never encountered this before, I blame your server:p |
| 20:08.28 | Pneumatus | owait you do |
| 20:08.31 | Pneumatus | was just spamming shields |
| 20:08.42 | Shefki | Right. |
| 20:08.47 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: go WoL right? :> |
| 20:08.58 | Pneumatus | WoL is the fucking win for discpriests |
| 20:09.13 | Pneumatus | if more people used WoL, more people would be screaming for discnerfs |
| 20:09.24 | Gnarfoz | waiting for them to do merging (and do it right) |
| 20:09.25 | Starinnia | my guild just started using WoL last week |
| 20:09.37 | Starinnia | class leaders love the graphs |
| 20:09.52 | Pneumatus | i use WoL for live reports on progression raids |
| 20:10.04 | End | yeah |
| 20:10.05 | Shefki | http://contempt.shefki.org/sws-vezax-1245898730/spell_16870.html#auras |
| 20:10.09 | End | live reports are WIN |
| 20:10.13 | Pneumatus | and stasiscl for after-raid analysis |
| 20:10.14 | Shefki | ^ But yeah look at Eyesofwrath update on clearcasting. |
| 20:10.17 | Shefki | Look at mine. |
| 20:10.19 | Gnarfoz | live reports are suck with crappy upstream :o |
| 20:10.20 | Shefki | Then look at the count. |
| 20:10.25 | Shefki | I think his problem is pretty obvious. |
| 20:10.37 | Pneumatus | WoL/WWS/StasisCL all have certain things they do awesomely, and certain things they fail at |
| 20:10.38 | Shefki | And: http://contempt.shefki.org/sws-vezax-1245898730/spell_64372.html#casts_and_power |
| 20:10.42 | End | oh, well, I have pretty good upstream for cable I guess |
| 20:10.53 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: not really, WWS just fails |
| 20:11.01 | Pneumatus | ok, WWS fails |
| 20:11.05 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: only point I see for Stasis is self-hostability |
| 20:11.15 | Pneumatus | stasis is far better at showing damage done on a certain mob |
| 20:11.17 | Shefki | I like Stasis just becuase we host it and it's nice becuase it's not slow as hell that way. |
| 20:11.19 | Gnarfoz | in everything else, WoL wipes the floor with EHFS, Stasis and WMO |
| 20:11.23 | End | it's really easy to find what you're looking for usually in WWS, but I -think- that might be because people are most used to it |
| 20:11.25 | Gnarfoz | IMHO, of course :D |
| 20:11.44 | Pneumatus | for example, finding out peoples DPS just on steelbreaker on steelbreaker last is a pain in the ass on WoL |
| 20:11.47 | Stanzilla | I heard Gnarfoz lieks Stasi |
| 20:11.54 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: just the 2.0 variant |
| 20:11.55 | Pneumatus | but stasis is pro at doing it |
| 20:12.12 | Shefki | But you know I'm really not worried about how much the disc priest does. |
| 20:12.13 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: how is that hard on WoL? |
| 20:12.16 | durcyn | stasis would be good for self-hosting if the output wasn't fucking huge |
| 20:12.17 | Shefki | We know he's useful. |
| 20:12.25 | Shefki | We don't run two. |
| 20:12.27 | Pneumatus | Gnarfoz: you can only see actual damage done, and percent of total |
| 20:12.31 | Shefki | So what diff does it make... |
| 20:12.31 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: select the segment in the graph, select "set page to selection", done |
| 20:12.43 | Elsia | anyone happen to know if frames/textures/regions are userdata or lightuserdata? |
| 20:13.14 | Arrowmaster | whats the difference? |
| 20:13.19 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: using "set page to selection" shifts the entire frame of reference around |
| 20:13.34 | Elsia | userdata can be metatabled and can be gc'd, lightuserdata plainly transports a c pointer |
| 20:13.47 | Pneumatus | Gnarfoz: i am aware, but it doesnt show specific figures unless you mouse over each players line |
| 20:13.49 | Pneumatus | which is a mess |
| 20:13.53 | Shefki | I think everytime I mention something today it turns into a debate about if it's good. |
| 20:13.56 | Shefki | So.... |
| 20:13.58 | Elsia | I know frames are not GCd but you can write to it as a real table, hence it smells like it's metatabled |
| 20:14.01 | Shefki | Fat Burger |
| 20:14.02 | Shefki | Go |
| 20:14.06 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: I don't think I get what you're saying :) |
| 20:14.09 | End | Fat Burgers are fat |
| 20:14.11 | End | ... |
| 20:14.15 | End | what's a Fat Burger? |
| 20:14.19 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: its not metatabled |
| 20:14.21 | Shefki | Burger chain. |
| 20:14.22 | Starinnia | Fat Burgers are phat |
| 20:14.27 | End | oh |
| 20:14.27 | Pneumatus | Gnarfoz: i can't see in a nice list the dps of each raid member on a certain mob in WoL |
| 20:14.29 | Elsia | oh |
| 20:14.29 | End | not in my area |
| 20:14.33 | Shefki | http://www.fatburger.com/home/ |
| 20:14.53 | Shefki | You know I think I'm gonna go get lunch there... See ya. |
| 20:14.59 | Gnarfoz | Burger chains are non-existant here. there's just Burger King, MacDonalds and if you're in a big town, maybe KFC. maybe. |
| 20:15.18 | Gnarfoz | right Stanzilla? :\ |
| 20:15.24 | EthanCentaurai | quick! to the Fat Mobile! |
| 20:15.29 | Gnarfoz | need moar burgers! |
| 20:15.42 | Elsia | Arrowmaster: how do they then handle the index to the C functions such as GetParent etc? |
| 20:16.14 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: the userdata on index 0 of the table you pass in |
| 20:16.26 | Shefki | Yup all the C space stuff is in 0 |
| 20:16.30 | Shefki | It's a real table. |
| 20:16.34 | Elsia | ah hmm |
| 20:16.35 | Arrowmaster | all functions that take frames completely ingnore the table you pass |
| 20:16.54 | Arrowmaster | ive created proxy tables for frames before like that |
| 20:16.58 | End | you could take [0] and put it in another table |
| 20:17.04 | End | if you wanted |
| 20:17.25 | Elsia | so CreateFrame really returns a table populated with [0]=UserData |
| 20:17.26 | Elsia | cool |
| 20:17.37 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: finishing up your (rightful) vezax epeen flexing: it boils down to "he wasted time using his CC procs"? (not a healer in our raids, much less a druid, so I'm actually curious ;)) |
| 20:18.03 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: I think he wasted procs on things other than lifebloom too. |
| 20:18.08 | End | Elsia: yes. with the table having it's metatable set as well |
| 20:18.08 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: right the only content of the table is [0]=UserData, and the table has a metatable on it for the api |
| 20:18.12 | Shefki | He got half the mana return from lifebloom I did. |
| 20:18.17 | Shefki | But only had 4 less procs. |
| 20:18.28 | Elsia | alright that makes sense |
| 20:18.30 | Fisker | btw Gnarfoz |
| 20:18.30 | Fisker | 10 (25/06/2009) Heroic: Orbit-uary - Defeat Flame Leviathan with 4 Orbital Defense Systems active on Heroic Difficulty. |
| 20:18.31 | Fisker | 10 (25/06/2009) Heroic: Nuked from Orbit - Defeat Flame Leviathan with 3 Orbital Defense Systems active on Heroic Difficulty. |
| 20:18.31 | Fisker | 10 (25/06/2009) Heroic: Orbital Devastation - Defeat Flame Leviathan with 2 Orbital Defense Systems active on Heroic Difficulty. |
| 20:18.32 | Fisker | :E |
| 20:18.36 | Shefki | So frankly I think he wasted procs by not using them right away and didn't always cast lifebloom |
| 20:18.41 | End | Fisker: no life stories |
| 20:18.54 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: too lazy too raid, now that yogg is dead |
| 20:18.56 | Bruners | meh 1080p movie + wow is to much for my cpu :( |
| 20:19.05 | Gnarfoz | Bruners: coreavc? |
| 20:19.10 | Fisker | also got heartbreaker |
| 20:19.30 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Omen of Clarity has no internal cooldown. And can actually even proc off a cast that used the previous one. |
| 20:19.34 | Fisker | that one was closed |
| 20:19.41 | Bruners | Gnarfoz: i got coreavc installed but not sure if its in use |
| 20:19.41 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: So any time that's up you're risking wasting one. |
| 20:19.44 | Fisker | he enraged just after earthquake instead of before |
| 20:19.55 | Gnarfoz | Bruners: doesn't your player show you what it uses? |
| 20:20.07 | Elsia | is the metatable documented anywhere? don't think I have seen how to do a hybrid __index that would work with openlib and with ordinary table access |
| 20:20.28 | Gnarfoz | (not necessarily the entire filter chain, but at least everything involved in it^^) |
| 20:20.32 | Bruners | Gnarfoz: no idea where to look, but it's BSPlayer and it uses ffdshow by default |
| 20:20.41 | Gnarfoz | ugh |
| 20:21.53 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=BSPlayer |
| 20:21.58 | Arrowmaster | get a better player |
| 20:21.59 | Gnarfoz | haven't used bsplayer for 5+ years, so I dunno how to change merit levels with it |
| 20:22.20 | Gnarfoz | codecpackslol |
| 20:22.22 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 20:22.47 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: if you knew what was in cccp you wouldnt be laughing |
| 20:22.54 | End | Elsia: huh? it's just an ordinary metatable |
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| 20:23.02 | Bruners | cccp is good |
| 20:23.08 | Gnarfoz | it's a codec pack *shrug* |
| 20:23.21 | End | __index is just table with the widget methods |
| 20:23.26 | End | just a* |
| 20:23.30 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: and what is a better player? |
| 20:23.30 | Arrowmaster | with the absolute bare minimium, because the people that make it hate bloated codec packs |
| 20:23.32 | Elsia | End: I mean what does __index do exactly. I understand how to set up the c functions, but not how to also allow it to let the ordinary table to be accessed |
| 20:23.58 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: MPC-HC? |
| 20:24.02 | End | if you have a table, and you try to access a non existant key |
| 20:24.08 | End | it looks in the metatable's __index |
| 20:24.11 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: can it open movies and subs without unpacking? |
| 20:24.12 | Gnarfoz | I'm usually only faced with WMV and x264 content these days, and MPC(-HC) (+coreavc, ac3filter, haali) serves me well on everything |
| 20:24.13 | Elsia | e.g. you can do f=CreateFrame(...); f.yippie = "y"; |
| 20:24.31 | End | yes, you could do that |
| 20:24.43 | Elsia | both are metatable __index accesses |
| 20:24.47 | End | no |
| 20:24.50 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: you laugh at cccp but have ac3filter installed? |
| 20:24.54 | Elsia | the first will go through the lib ref table to get CreateFrame |
| 20:25.02 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I laugh at codec packs, not cccp |
| 20:25.05 | Elsia | the second to get ["yippie"] |
| 20:25.06 | Gagorian- | What's wrong with ac3filter? |
| 20:25.11 | End | no |
| 20:25.17 | Arrowmaster | its unneeded |
| 20:25.19 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: also, what would be wrong with the best free ac3 decoder? |
| 20:25.20 | End | __index is never touched in your code |
| 20:25.35 | End | if you did local z = f.zappie, that'd ask __index |
| 20:25.42 | Gagorian- | Unneeded for what? |
| 20:25.47 | Gnarfoz | I should probably use a52 based stuffs (yay ffmpeg!... not) |
| 20:25.54 | Arrowmaster | just plain unneeded |
| 20:25.55 | End | however, having already set yippie in the table itself, accessing yippie will never touch __index |
| 20:26.07 | End | unless you nil it out I guess |
| 20:26.09 | Gnarfoz | how is it "unneeded" if I use it to decode ac3 and dts? |
| 20:26.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:26.10 | Arrowmaster | ffdshow handles ac3 perfectly fine |
| 20:26.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, and ffdshow is cancer |
| 20:26.31 | Gagorian- | Define perfectly fine |
| 20:26.48 | Arrowmaster | without any issues |
| 20:26.52 | End | Elsia: I suggest you don't touch frame metatables unless you have to, and you probably don't have to |
| 20:26.56 | Elsia | End: what I am asking is how to set this up. How do I have to do my luaL_openlib() to get this behavior. I have a way to do the cfunctions, but it currently prohibits any table stuff |
| 20:27.04 | End | er |
| 20:27.20 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:27.21 | End | oh, are you trying to copy WoW's mechanism in your own code elsewhere? |
| 20:27.29 | Elsia | trying to write a compat engine |
| 20:27.55 | End | ok, well, at least I understand what the hell you're doing |
| 20:27.55 | Arrowmaster | it wont work |
| 20:27.59 | Gagorian- | Well, if you use ac3filter purely for decoding into a set amount of speakers then perhaps you're right |
| 20:28.01 | End | (or trying to do) |
| 20:28.12 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: i do that with ffdshow |
| 20:28.30 | Gnarfoz | exactly his point |
| 20:28.42 | Arrowmaster | what can ac3filter do that ffdshow cant? |
| 20:28.55 | Elsia | End: that's basically what I'm asking. How to set up the metatable to both retain standard table access and index cfunctions, the way UIObjects do in wow |
| 20:29.03 | End | well |
| 20:29.06 | Gagorian- | I haven't looked into ffdshow, but ac3 filter has pretty handy mixing matrixes |
| 20:29.10 | End | you have a way to set metatable C-side |
| 20:29.15 | End | and a way to build tables |
| 20:29.18 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: so does ffdshow |
| 20:29.21 | Gagorian- | For configuring speaker systems other than the standard 5.1 or 2 |
| 20:29.23 | Gnarfoz | ffdshows config for that is simply horrible |
| 20:29.23 | End | don't ask me how, I don't know, because I don't care :P |
| 20:29.26 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: ac3filter is completely useless |
| 20:29.31 | Elsia | End: hehe alright |
| 20:29.35 | Elsia | I'll figure it out |
| 20:29.38 | End | it's in the documentation somewhere |
| 20:29.58 | Arrowmaster | plus its better imho to have a single config instead of multiple ones |
| 20:30.00 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: Couldn't you use the same point in saying ffdshow ac3 decoder is completely useless since there's ac3filter? |
| 20:30.07 | Gnarfoz | indeed. |
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| 20:30.15 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: Gnarfoz what is the verdict then? coreavc or ffdshow? |
| 20:30.17 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: and have to setup matrixes in multiple places? |
| 20:30.28 | Gnarfoz | Bruners: coreavc's CPU usage is way lower :) |
| 20:30.42 | Gnarfoz | (...and it's not free, but you already have it installed) |
| 20:31.08 | falconindy | any linux gurus? having some issues getting git to connect to my repo.. it just hangs on connect |
| 20:31.50 | Gagorian- | I generally don't watch stuff without ac3 audio |
| 20:32.12 | Gnarfoz | also, ffdshow feels like a codec pack, now that I think about it (yes yes, it is not, I know - we'll just keep using ac3filter to spite Arrow anyway ;P) |
| 20:32.16 | EthanCentaurai | I think Git might actually be down atm... I'm trying to push an Alliance guide to my repo and is also stuck on connect |
| 20:32.28 | falconindy | that might explain a few things |
| 20:32.54 | falconindy | host responds to ping, but i suppose that doesn't guarantee anything |
| 20:33.01 | Gagorian- | Besides ac3 filter handles 2 channel audio as well so, what's the purpose of ffdshow audio at all? |
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| 20:33.12 | End | hm |
| 20:33.15 | Arrowmaster | ffdshow handles 2channel too |
| 20:33.16 | End | subversion is down too |
| 20:33.24 | Arrowmaster | ffdshow handles all my audio |
| 20:33.33 | Gnarfoz | ffdshow *can* handle *anything* |
| 20:33.46 | Gnarfoz | (...that is in libmpegav &c) |
| 20:34.04 | Gagorian- | I just don't see the difference really tbh |
| 20:34.14 | Gnarfoz | it's not made by a single russian, Gagorian- |
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| 20:34.21 | Gnarfoz | that's probably what it boils down to ;p |
| 20:34.39 | Arrowmaster | stop being ignorant |
| 20:35.01 | Camci | there should be a favourite thing option on wowace etc |
| 20:35.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm making fun of you, since you're only trying to push your view anyway |
| 20:35.14 | Gnarfoz | Camci: please god, no |
| 20:35.29 | Camci | why? i wanna know when there is a update :( |
| 20:35.39 | EthanCentaurai | Camci: click on Subscriptions and tick "File Updates" |
| 20:35.39 | Gnarfoz | oh, hehe |
| 20:35.54 | Gnarfoz | that fit too well into our topic just now, I assumed you meant something else ;p |
| 20:35.55 | Arrowmaster | Camci: use curse.com |
| 20:35.55 | EthanCentaurai | or add them as a favourite on Curse |
| 20:36.06 | Camci | lol |
| 20:36.26 | Camci | well some addons that updates on wowace isnt on curse |
| 20:36.34 | Camci | doesnt get updated on curse* |
| 20:36.57 | Arrowmaster | everything is syndicated to curse |
| 20:37.06 | Starinnia | not if the author never tags |
| 20:37.07 | Gnarfoz | execept that which isn't supposed to :> |
| 20:37.09 | Camci | something wrong with the sync then |
| 20:37.11 | EthanCentaurai | everything except alphas |
| 20:37.15 | Gnarfoz | alphas, for example |
| 20:37.17 | Arrowmaster | nothing is wrong |
| 20:37.28 | Gnarfoz | curse client to the rescue ;) |
| 20:37.31 | Camci | i know alpha doesnt get on curse :p |
| 20:37.35 | Camci | oh god curse client |
| 20:37.36 | Camci | no thanks |
| 20:37.44 | Gnarfoz | oh god ignorance, no thanks :D |
| 20:37.54 | Camci | i aint an ignorance :P |
| 20:38.05 | Starinnia | heh, CC is actually very useful and usable now |
| 20:38.06 | Gnarfoz | (I'll let that stand as it is) |
| 20:38.35 | Camci | ill prefer with wowi and its curse module |
| 20:38.44 | Arrowmaster | what curse module? |
| 20:38.49 | Bruners | there is a curse module? |
| 20:38.57 | steev | is there a way to tell how long someone's been in a guild/at a rank in the guild ? |
| 20:38.57 | Gnarfoz | the idealist/optmist curse module, of course |
| 20:38.58 | Camci | duno :P |
| 20:39.00 | Torhal | There is no Curse module. |
| 20:39.01 | Arrowmaster | there wont be a curse module |
| 20:39.05 | Torhal | There may never be a Curse module. |
| 20:39.10 | Arrowmaster | there never will be |
| 20:39.14 | Bruners | but there will be CC4! |
| 20:39.17 | Camci | one can always hope! |
| 20:39.20 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: Arrowmaster knows the future, why do you doubt him? |
| 20:39.23 | Bruners | or is |
| 20:39.23 | Camci | either way i aint using cc |
| 20:39.25 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: It's on the fence. Leaning toward not. |
| 20:39.26 | Arrowmaster | Camci: there never will be |
| 20:39.44 | Camci | they said there might be for premium users |
| 20:39.45 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Because I was told something slightly different a few days ago :P |
| 20:39.47 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: there never will be as long as they would need to do their authicentation in java |
| 20:39.53 | Bruners | i don't understand the hate for CC |
| 20:40.12 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: stop being honest, help me pull this leg of his >_> |
| 20:40.24 | Torhal | Bruners: Because the original version was shit, and everyone who doesn't haev an open mind thinks it won;t ever change |
| 20:40.41 | Bruners | i liked the original version |
| 20:40.54 | Bruners | i like the new one even better |
| 20:41.05 | Gnarfoz | 2.0 was usable, if you knew its quirks; 3.0 is usable as it is IMHO, I don't even see the big need for 4.0 ;) |
| 20:41.08 | Torhal | I'm talking the original incarnation of 3.0 |
| 20:41.24 | Torhal | It was bad. When Kaelten took over, it because usable. |
| 20:41.28 | Torhal | became |
| 20:41.31 | Starinnia | 3.0 was annoying when it would always install the profiler |
| 20:41.32 | Torhal | Fuck I cannot think today. |
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| 20:42.02 | Kaelten | 3.0 is just ugh |
| 20:42.11 | Kaelten | I'm looking forward to 4.0 being the current version |
| 20:42.14 | nicoli_s | granfoz: 4.0 is everything 3.0 was and much much more |
| 20:42.21 | Gnarfoz | 4.0 is not at 3.0 yet |
| 20:42.28 | Gnarfoz | (very much imho :D) |
| 20:42.36 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: no, it's still in alpha |
| 20:42.38 | nicoli_s | i dunno, its got near as much functionality |
| 20:42.41 | Torhal | I'm looking forward to Kaelten conning someone into making Mono run 4.0 |
| 20:42.50 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:42.54 | Kaelten | we spent 2.5 months fixing issues and polishing 3.0 |
| 20:42.57 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware, I was just relativiz...ing-thingy nicoli_s's statement :D |
| 20:43.01 | Pneumatus | 4.0 is much less, atm |
| 20:43.11 | EthanCentaurai | Kaelten: art thou seeking beta testers for the Mac version of 4.0? or is it not ready yet? |
| 20:43.26 | nicoli_s | kaelten's cc4 is just a hello world :P |
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| 20:43.39 | nicoli_s | he doesnt want it too be too complicated |
| 20:43.47 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: http://www.virtualdub.org/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=252#body ? :D |
| 20:44.17 | Gnarfoz | wtf, where did the image go |
| 20:44.23 | Bruners | why isnt "he" on IRC? |
| 20:44.23 | Gnarfoz | that post makes no sense without the image :\ |
| 20:44.28 | Camci | lol |
| 20:44.44 | nicoli_s | bruners, i meant kaelten as he |
| 20:44.47 | Camci | now im curious about the image |
| 20:44.48 | Camci | gief link |
| 20:44.53 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: not ready yet, I'm currently writing code to parse xml feeds |
| 20:44.58 | Kaelten | it's kinda a bitch in cocoa |
| 20:45.06 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: http://www.virtualdub.org/blog/archives/archive_2009-m05.php#e252 maybe ;) |
| 20:45.44 | nicoli_s | thats awesome gnarfoz |
| 20:46.25 | Aeyan | I think it's about time to redo my UI |
| 20:46.48 | Aeyan | It's been too nice for too long |
| 20:47.05 | Torhal | You'r ein the mood for some shitty? |
| 20:47.13 | Aeyan | Oh yes |
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| 20:57.45 | EthanCentaurai | @ping |
| 20:57.45 | Repo | pong |
| 20:58.09 | End | should be fixed now, I'm told |
| 20:58.17 | End | svn seems to work at least |
| 20:58.29 | End | 14:48 < Kaelten> ok repos back up |
| 21:01.23 | Bruners | zoom player has gotten even better since last time i tried it |
| 21:01.44 | Camci | can druids be mana burned in bearform still ? |
| 21:01.56 | Camci | cant* |
| 21:02.12 | EthanCentaurai | Repo didn't announce my commits :< |
| 21:05.38 | Torhal | Repo is a snotty little punk. |
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| 21:07.27 | sztanpet | wooh native code sdk for android |
| 21:09.30 | Xtek | Camci to my knowledge bears cannot be mana burned. |
| 21:10.51 | kadrahil | ckknight: you know of a way to call rtrim and ltrim from a $.html() return type? javascript doesn't think it's a String |
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| 21:11.12 | ckknight | kadrahil: how're you calling it? |
| 21:11.35 | kadrahil | ckknight: i was trying to use $("#someelement").html().rtrim() |
| 21:11.43 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:11.45 | ckknight | that should work |
| 21:11.54 | ckknight | what does console.log($("#someelement").html()) say? |
| 21:12.05 | ckknight | also, check typeof |
| 21:12.06 | kadrahil | the string including white space (tabs) |
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| 21:12.47 | Repo | 10tourguide-midsummerfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v0.3.2-beta-7-g2c6cd67 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 21:12.48 | kadrahil | typeof says it's a string |
| 21:12.57 | kadrahil | r.i.p Repo :( |
| 21:13.06 | EthanCentaurai | I killed him :( |
| 21:13.12 | ckknight | bad EthanCentaurai |
| 21:13.20 | kadrahil | heh |
| 21:13.22 | ckknight | kadrahil: typeof $("#someelement").html |
| 21:13.24 | ckknight | err |
| 21:13.26 | EthanCentaurai | lights a candle for Repo |
| 21:13.33 | ckknight | typeof $("#someelement").html().rtrim |
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| 21:13.48 | harl | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118721.stm |
| 21:13.57 | harl | "Nigaz"? oO |
| 21:14.06 | Repo | 10broker_fishingskill: 03falconindy 07master * release-1.0-1-g87591ae Broker_FishingSkill.toc: [+1 commit] Bump TOC for 3.1 |
| 21:14.14 | kadrahil | ckknight: rtrim without the ()? |
| 21:14.18 | Repo | 10misspelled: 03nrpieper * r33 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:14.22 | Repo | Added guild member and friends player names phonetic codes were always using US English phonetic code generation for all languages. The generic phonetic code is now used for German and Spanish. |
| 21:14.23 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:14.25 | ckknight | to check if it's a function |
| 21:14.28 | Repo | ipairs and pairs locals added to WordDict.lua for increased speed. |
| 21:14.53 | kadrahil | ckknight: undefined |
| 21:15.22 | kadrahil | console.log(typeof($("#templates option#template"+template_id).html().rtrim)); |
| 21:15.25 | kadrahil | is the line in question |
| 21:18.25 | ckknight | kadrahil: rtrim isn't a standard string function |
| 21:18.25 | kadrahil | ckknight: i thought it was :| |
| 21:18.25 | ckknight | nope |
| 21:18.30 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 21:18.30 | kadrahil | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference/Global_Objects/String |
| 21:18.47 | kadrahil | i think i was trying to use something that doesn't exist |
| 21:18.57 | kadrahil | sigh |
| 21:20.34 | kadrahil | ckknight: i guess $.trim() will work |
| 21:22.11 | ckknight | figured that jquery would have something :) |
| 21:22.30 | kadrahil | yeah, i don't know what convinced me that rtrim and ltrim were valid javascript functions |
| 21:22.33 | kadrahil | i blame my coworker |
| 21:27.28 | thul | I hate to pvp to get pvp-gear |
| 21:27.38 | thul | being at 0 resilience and green/blue gear at 80? useless. |
| 21:27.58 | EthanCentaurai | aren't there any resilience gems? |
| 21:28.17 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 21:28.27 | Gnarfoz | also, there's craftable pvp-gear. |
| 21:28.46 | thul | well, I want honor-pvp gear :-P |
| 21:28.49 | thul | but I only got like 40-50k honor |
| 21:28.59 | Gnarfoz | why don't you get a premade, then |
| 21:29.00 | kadrahil | thul: pvping in full t8.5 and mostly 226 offset pieces isn't much better |
| 21:29.07 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, this is not the PTR... |
| 21:29.12 | Gnarfoz | and you can buy pvp gear with badges |
| 21:29.19 | kadrahil | thul: oh, and 22k hp in pve gear and plate doesn't mean much either |
| 21:29.30 | Gnarfoz | so why is it you have to pvp for pvp gear? |
| 21:29.32 | thul | well, I have 14k hp in pve gear from pre-80 :-P |
| 21:29.37 | kadrahil | thul: D: |
| 21:29.39 | Gnarfoz | just use one of the other ways to get it |
| 21:29.47 | thul | and I can unstealth for like 2 seconds.. and I'm dead |
| 21:30.04 | thul | I have to kind of find groups for most of the other stuff, I guess I can do the tourney |
| 21:30.31 | Gnarfoz | it's a multiplayer game, who'd have expected you need groups for some things :D |
| 21:30.37 | thul | .... |
| 21:30.46 | thul | asswipe :-) |
| 21:30.47 | kadrahil | whoddathunkit?!? |
| 21:31.20 | thul | irrelevant AND idiotic in one short sentence |
| 21:31.21 | thul | impressive. |
| 21:32.14 | Gnarfoz | sniping at whiners is fun |
| 21:33.05 | kadrahil | thul: well, that was the whole point |
| 21:33.24 | thul | Gnarfoz: if you did it with style? yes |
| 21:33.28 | thul | but you do it the retarded way :/ |
| 21:33.45 | thul | the "I never got trough kindergarden"-way. |
| 21:33.47 | thul | but each to his own etc. |
| 21:33.55 | kadrahil | uh? |
| 21:33.55 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 21:34.11 | kadrahil | tranquilizes thul |
| 21:34.32 | Gnarfoz | you must have some kind of 5-times-through-babelfish filter in your IRC |
| 21:35.27 | Gnarfoz | (and you don't need to "get through" Kindergarten (t btw) here at all, since it's not considered a school, yay :)) |
| 21:35.46 | thul | I just like more... creatively constructed phuns. |
| 21:35.46 | kadrahil | (:)) |
| 21:35.46 | thul | shoot me. |
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| 21:36.09 | durcyn | "if you're going to insult me, try to entertain me at the same time" what |
| 21:36.24 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2164 RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua: All of enchanting recipe levels are now complete. |
| 21:36.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, there's multiple ways to get (quite a bit of, actually) resilience gear, before entering even one battleground-grindfest, was all I was trying to point out, really ;) |
| 21:37.07 | End | if you -really- want resilience, there's the terrible crafted stuff |
| 21:37.21 | thul | and I tried to point out that I'm not in a situation where i can group up very regularly, so I have to do it mostly alone and irregularly, hence BGs. |
| 21:37.29 | Gnarfoz | it's not terrible at all if you're at quest-greens/blues//pre-wotlk items |
| 21:37.39 | Gnarfoz | thul: crafting requires groups now? |
| 21:38.02 | End | I guess anything is better than half naked ;-p |
| 21:38.29 | thul | well, no, but it requires insane amounts of boring-time. I guess I should just afk in lots of bgs and just get me some honor-stuff |
| 21:38.35 | Gnarfoz | (and ... heroics require a raid guild? I'll just stop, you WANT to do BGs anyway) |
| 21:38.59 | thul | yes, heroics, if you want to have fun, require a raid guild |
| 21:39.01 | thul | I _hate_ pugs |
| 21:39.04 | thul | passionately. |
| 21:39.28 | End | man, and people bitch about pugs on my server |
| 21:39.47 | Gnarfoz | (counting off the things that you find boring, tedious, don't have the time for or simply *hate*, I wonder why you even play the game. :D) |
| 21:39.49 | End | your server must be terrible pug central if you're having that much trouble with heroic pugs |
| 21:39.56 | thul | Gnarfoz: you are way too predictable. |
| 21:40.25 | Gnarfoz | so are you :> |
| 21:40.40 | thul | Gnarfoz: aaah.. the mirror-comments-comeback :-D |
| 21:40.51 | Gnarfoz | thewhat |
| 21:41.04 | thul | I'll set up an appointment for you later Gnarfoz |
| 21:41.07 | End | thul: that doesn't make him wrong |
| 21:41.20 | thul | End: in this case, it does. |
| 21:41.24 | End | how so? |
| 21:41.35 | thul | beacause I'm not predictable :-) |
| 21:41.37 | Gnarfoz | later today? just 20 minutes left :O |
| 21:41.49 | thul | Gnarfoz: I think I said "later" not "later today" |
| 21:41.53 | thul | I'll scroll up and check though |
| 21:42.06 | Gnarfoz | your screen res is too low to not have that on the same screen right now? :) |
| 21:42.11 | thul | .... |
| 21:42.15 | thul | yes, I was not ironic. |
| 21:42.16 | thul | at all. |
| 21:42.18 | Gnarfoz | yes you are, it was kind of obvious that you would "hate pugs" when you said "I'll just do the tournament quests" :D |
| 21:42.36 | thul | yes, that is a logically following statement |
| 21:42.37 | thul | indeed. |
| 21:42.52 | Gnarfoz | no, it was a preditcable following statement |
| 21:43.05 | thul | not really |
| 21:43.17 | thul | but post-fact, it is easy to claim that. |
| 21:43.18 | thul | of course. |
| 21:43.22 | thul | so go ahead :-) |
| 21:43.40 | Gnarfoz | you're claiming all kinds of random shit, and I'm not stopping you ;p |
| 21:43.51 | thul | right |
| 21:43.54 | Gnarfoz | "crafting involves boring time" |
| 21:44.28 | Gnarfoz | dunno what about crafting involves anything else than buying mats -> having stuff crafted -> equipping it |
| 21:44.37 | Gnarfoz | (wait for it, you don't have gold) |
| 21:44.52 | kadrahil | (too many parentheses) |
| 21:44.54 | durcyn | give 3.2 chef's hat please |
| 21:44.59 | Gnarfoz | (because you keep wiping with PUGs in heroics! :D) |
| 21:45.12 | Gnarfoz | kadrahil: fear of Lisp? :> |
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| 21:45.38 | thul | Gnarfoz: keep trying :-) |
| 21:45.39 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: Master, I require aid! |
| 21:45.46 | Gnarfoz | thul: trying what? xD |
| 21:45.55 | thul | you could hit that "monkeys, typewriters,shakespear"-gold some day |
| 21:45.56 | thul | after all. |
| 21:45.57 | kadrahil | Gnarfoz: (yes) |
| 21:46.37 | Gnarfoz | whatever that's supposed to mean again, you're way too smart for me it seems ;) |
| 21:47.05 | thul | I am, actually, but that is not the problem. |
| 21:47.11 | Gnarfoz | I disagree |
| 21:47.22 | thul | the problem is that you are in "i want to be an asshole"mode. |
| 21:47.27 | thul | I guess it will pass. |
| 21:47.39 | kadrahil | just like my gass |
| 21:47.46 | kadrahil | (see what i did there) |
| 21:47.55 | Gnarfoz | ((no, wasn't looking ;o)) |
| 21:48.00 | kadrahil | exits the conversation |
| 21:48.54 | Gnarfoz | thul: seriously, I offered you two alternatives to bg-grinding (which you whined about) and since then you're trying to turn this into something else ;p |
| 21:50.08 | ulic | so....how about that Ace3, it's pretty sweet eh? |
| 21:50.41 | durcyn | i like you ulic |
| 21:51.07 | Gnarfoz | (and no, when I said "thewhat" and "whatever that's supposed to mean" and just "?" I really don't know what the hell you were on about, cultural references don't really travel far before slouching to a crawl and then dying half-way on the internet) |
| 21:53.46 | thul | Gnarfoz: you were a douche, that was it. |
| 21:54.01 | thul | Gnarfoz: if you had not been a douche, I would not have been fed up with you. |
| 21:54.01 | Gnarfoz | right, advice is really bad |
| 21:54.02 | thul | easy as that. |
| 21:54.28 | kadrahil | feeds durcyn a cow |
| 21:54.45 | Gnarfoz | reminder: don't give people helpful advice if you're not sure they actually want advice. they might just want to whine. |
| 21:54.48 | kadrahil | durcyn: inc nerfed firefighter :( |
| 21:55.04 | thul | Gnarfoz: and you wonder why I think you act like a douche now? |
| 21:55.05 | thul | ... |
| 21:55.19 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know what that's supposed to mean, but hey |
| 21:55.20 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:55.30 | Camci | YOU DOUCHE! |
| 21:55.36 | Camci | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:55.44 | ulic | considers figuring out how ignore works in this irc client. |
| 21:55.51 | Gnarfoz | ulic: /ignore |
| 21:55.53 | Gnarfoz | probably. |
| 21:55.56 | Camci | right click > mute |
| 21:56.01 | Gnarfoz | ~x de en dusche |
| 21:56.27 | durcyn | kadrahil: i did it pre-nerf, that makes me better, right? |
| 21:56.46 | Gnarfoz | (I'll not bother looking up swear-words I don't know :D) |
| 21:56.57 | kadrahil | durcyn: sure |
| 21:57.00 | Camci | :p |
| 21:58.32 | Camci | noights! |
| 21:58.49 | thul | Gnarfoz: it is /ignore thul and there you go: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douche |
| 21:58.53 | Gnarfoz | thul: I suggest *you* do some scrolling up, though, and read what I actually wrote. Didn't even start making fun of you before you started throwing out viable options with blanket statements or flat-out ignoring them (ethan suggested resilience gems) |
| 21:59.06 | Gnarfoz | thul: I wasn't asking how ignore works |
| 21:59.23 | durcyn | you two should hug it out |
| 21:59.26 | Torhal | Good lord, people. Don't make me call time-out or naptime. |
| 21:59.49 | nicoli_s | calls time-out and nap time |
| 21:59.57 | Torhal | Both? Heathen! |
| 21:59.58 | nicoli_s | and i'll turn this irc around and go home if i have to |
| 21:59.59 | Gnarfoz | meh, enjoy line noise, then ;) |
| 22:01.00 | Gnarfoz | maybe someone will come along and ask if WAU still works, or why DBM can't be ACE'd! - but don't hold your breath (I heard it's unhealthy -.-) |
| 22:01.09 | Repo | 10gearevaluator: 03Stlke 07master * v1.0.1-beta1-10-gf893779 Modules/Searcher.lua: [+1 commit] Added stubbed version of searcher timer handling (dry-coded) |
| 22:01.34 | *** join/#wowace Ghli (n=chatzill@32.152.82.163) |
| 22:02.55 | thul | I just heard that Michael Jackson died, so my mood brightened. |
| 22:03.27 | ckknight | thul: yea, I just heard, too |
| 22:03.30 | nicoli_s | im in like 3 channels talking about that :S |
| 22:04.12 | thul | ckknight: indeed. I thought someone was joking, but it was true (or, so it seems) |
| 22:04.21 | ckknight | yea, we'll see |
| 22:04.38 | Torhal | Farrah Fawcett died. Michael Jackson had a heart attack. Doesn't say he's dead. |
| 22:04.56 | ulic | so far the only official report I can find is on TMZ, I wouldn't consider that hard factual news. |
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| 22:05.38 | durcyn | sky news picked it up, cnn still says hospitalized |
| 22:06.26 | Mikk | well.. at least "curse dash addons dot com" now has dropped away from the first several pages when searching for "curse addons" on google |
| 22:06.31 | Mikk | it was on the first page yesterday |
| 22:06.35 | berdan | Swedish news says dead |
| 22:06.53 | Mikk | swedish news are good at copying US papers |
| 22:06.58 | Mikk | without doublechecking anything |
| 22:07.15 | berdan | Yep :) |
| 22:07.31 | durcyn | also, who cares |
| 22:07.54 | Mikk | the umpteen thousand people that booked his upcoming 50 concerts full within minutes, at a guess |
| 22:07.57 | Mikk | i sure dont :P |
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| 22:09.32 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2165 RecipeDB/ARL-Leatherwork.lua: |
| 22:09.35 | Repo | Update some trainer info for LW, and fix a few LW acquire entries. Also add expansion flags to all recipes. |
| 22:20.07 | Antiarc | [Updated at 3:15 p.m.: Pop star Michael Jackson was pronounced dead by doctors this afternoon after arriving at a hospital in a deep coma, city and law enforcement sources told The Times. |
| 22:20.09 | Antiarc | Welp. |
| 22:20.27 | Antiarc | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/pop-star-michael-jackson-was-rushed-to-a-hospital-this-afternoon-by-los-angeles-fire-department-paramedics--capt-steve-ruda.html |
| 22:20.29 | Repo | 10bindmanager: 03aircanada_arygos * r2 : asdfasdf |
| 22:20.32 | Repo | adf |
| 22:20.35 | Repo | asdf |
| 22:20.43 | Repo | 10bindmanager: 03aircanada_arygos * r3 tags/: asdfasdf |
| 22:20.46 | Repo | adfs |
| 22:20.49 | Repo | asdf |
| 22:20.52 | Repo | asdf |
| 22:20.55 | Stanzilla | ... |
| 22:20.57 | Repo | 10bindmanager: 03aircanada_arygos * r4 branches/: adsfasdfadf |
| 22:21.00 | Repo | asfd |
| 22:21.03 | Repo | asdf |
| 22:21.06 | Stanzilla | get out of my internet, mr aircanda |
| 22:21.12 | Stanzilla | *a even |
| 22:21.23 | End | apparently I've been criticizing the wrong people for their commit messages |
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| 22:25.32 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2166 RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua: added missing Enchanting trainer data, Ticket 641 |
| 22:26.11 | *** join/#wowace Lisimba (n=Lisimba@s55915088.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 22:26.51 | Megalon | those messages need way more 'asdf' |
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| 22:28.55 | Daemona | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/06/in-memorium-michael-jackson-dead-at-50.html |
| 22:34.17 | sylvanaar | man this new drive |
| 22:34.20 | sylvanaar | wow |
| 22:34.57 | sylvanaar | its on par with my X25-E |
| 22:34.59 | sylvanaar | http://ssd.pastey.net/116704 |
| 22:35.28 | Antiarc | I'm thinking aircanada_arygos probably needs a bannination |
| 22:35.35 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 22:35.43 | Antiarc | That's just downright rude. |
| 22:36.05 | Antiarc | Also |
| 22:36.07 | sylvanaar | im roflirl |
| 22:36.11 | Antiarc | Wowace should add repository viewing online |
| 22:36.16 | Antiarc | ckknight: ping |
| 22:36.24 | Antiarc | Add online repo views to wowace plzthx |
| 22:36.24 | End | I'd like that as wel |
| 22:36.28 | ckknight | it's already on the list. |
| 22:36.28 | End | l |
| 22:36.30 | sylvanaar | Antiarc that ticket has SOOOOOO many votes |
| 22:36.31 | Antiarc | wootles |
| 22:36.44 | End | fine |
| 22:36.51 | End | finds the ticket and adds more votes. |
| 22:36.55 | ckknight | only so many hours in the day, though |
| 22:37.14 | sylvanaar | buy more gamefuel |
| 22:37.24 | sylvanaar | had to |
| 22:37.50 | Shefki | Hire more people. |
| 22:37.55 | Shefki | More people = more hours in a day. |
| 22:37.59 | Shefki | Voila |
| 22:38.16 | sylvanaar | get more ppl to subscribe Shefki |
| 22:39.05 | Shefki | Sorry that's Marketing. |
| 22:39.28 | Shefki | And I was being sarcastic. |
| 22:39.36 | Shefki | More people doesn't really mean it'll happen faster. |
| 22:39.40 | sylvanaar | well they have a tricky setup, and everything is custom |
| 22:39.47 | sylvanaar | yeah i know |
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| 22:41.34 | Shefki | 1000 monkeys at a typewritter really doesn't produce Shakespeare. No matter what the idiots on the WoW forums think. |
| 22:42.25 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it takes more like a million. |
| 22:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 22:42.30 | sylvanaar | what happens if you put the sata cable backwards? |
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| 22:42.43 | SunTsu | Shefki: "There was a saying that 1000 monkey with typewriters would eventuellay reproduce Shakespeare's works. Now, thanks to the internet, we know that this is not true" |
| 22:43.42 | sylvanaar | what was that said about - quatum physics? infinity? |
| 22:43.54 | Repo | 10bindmanager: 03aircanada_arygos * r5 / (15 files in 6 directories): BindManager 1.0 |
| 22:44.29 | sylvanaar | fucking wikipedia |
| 22:44.30 | sylvanaar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem |
| 22:44.42 | Elsia | gief moa monkeys |
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| 22:46.43 | Elsia | the clue is that noone calculated the poisson process of the typing monkey... basically it can take forever to get the result ;) |
| 22:47.00 | sylvanaar | Elsia = nerd |
| 22:47.10 | Elsia | \O/ |
| 22:47.13 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 22:47.38 | sylvanaar | did you see my sexy new hd benchmark Elsia |
| 22:47.47 | Hjalte | Is it possible for my laptop to be so bad that almost every movie that I watch will desync its own audio at some point? |
| 22:47.47 | Elsia | got a ssd? |
| 22:47.49 | sylvanaar | http://ssd.pastey.net/116704 |
| 22:48.06 | sylvanaar | i have an X25-E, just got a new Corsair |
| 22:48.12 | sylvanaar | compare them |
| 22:48.51 | sylvanaar | i need to retest my velociraptor, i think my sata cable was reversed |
| 22:49.07 | Elsia | basically the corsair is slightly better |
| 22:49.25 | Elsia | how much is that in $$$? |
| 22:49.39 | sylvanaar | idk - its brand new, it will slow down a little after some use |
| 22:50.07 | sylvanaar | the X25 has been in use for a bit now |
| 22:50.11 | Elsia | I'm tempted to get an SSD after my move, but when I last looked the x25-e was fairly pricey |
| 22:50.20 | sylvanaar | the 2 drives cost the same |
| 22:50.24 | Elsia | i see |
| 22:50.25 | sylvanaar | $380 |
| 22:50.39 | Elsia | for 128GB? |
| 22:50.53 | sylvanaar | the intel is 32G SLD, and the Corsair is 128GB MLD |
| 22:50.54 | Shefki | I bet it would take inifinity - 1 for a monkey to reproduce the Windows ME source code. |
| 22:51.16 | Elsia | 380$ for 128gb isn't bad... I can dig that |
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| 22:51.37 | sylvanaar | its MLD thats about thier price point |
| 22:52.13 | sylvanaar | they go up to 250GB for 650ish |
| 22:52.54 | sylvanaar | you can get 128GB SLD for 1200 |
| 23:01.35 | durcyn | whoa, they copied bugsack for 3.2 also |
| 23:02.22 | sylvanaar | did they? |
| 23:02.31 | sylvanaar | i thought it just have 2 minimap icons |
| 23:03.05 | sylvanaar | screenshot |
| 23:03.26 | durcyn | http://www.vitriolic.net/crap/error.jpg |
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| 23:04.30 | durcyn | oh, that might be the "Blizzard UI Development Kit" addon |
| 23:04.46 | durcyn | yep. |
| 23:06.46 | thul | oooh, I'll get the ability to use axes. |
| 23:13.52 | Pneumatus | yeh, its basically DevTools |
| 23:13.52 | Pneumatus | although worse |
| 23:13.52 | Pneumatus | because it doesnt work properly |
| 23:14.28 | Pneumatus | framestack completely fails vs the output from dtframestack |
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| 23:19.09 | sylvanaar | is that why /dump works |
| 23:19.33 | sylvanaar | i was wondering what was producing the ugly dump output |
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| 23:20.27 | sylvanaar | the aceconsole version was soooo much better looking |
| 23:20.35 | sylvanaar | er is |
| 23:29.15 | ckknight | hey Fisker |
| 23:29.54 | ckknight | Fisker: how have you been enjoying the Hello Kitty theme? |
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| 23:40.40 | Mikk | haha "Today, popular interest in the typing monkeys is sustained by numerous appearances in literature, television, radio, music, and the Internet. In 2003, an experiment was performed with six Celebes Crested Macaques, but their literary contribution was five pages consisting largely of the letter 'S'." |
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| 23:42.57 | Vonhinten | The researchers just didn't get it |
| 23:50.28 | ckknight | such poetry |
| 23:50.29 | ckknight | S. |
| 23:50.33 | ckknight | so profound |
| 23:50.35 | ckknight | yet so simple |
| 23:51.03 | Vonhinten | They didn't give the monkey's enough time to title their collective work... |
| 23:51.14 | Vonhinten | They would have called it "Ode to a snake" |
| 23:59.59 | Repo | 10langoustine: 03kagaro * r30 TankFrames.lua: Fixed typo |
