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| 00:19.44 | Mikk | It's a "you can't sue us for what someone posts" clause |
| 00:19.49 | Mikk | It's not "lal we own ur shit" |
| 00:20.25 | Mikk | (just in case someone was unclear on that) |
| 00:20.54 | Shadowed | Wouldn't worry about an ARR library anyway just use it |
| 00:21.53 | Mikk | And yes having a library on anything but svn = DOOOOHHHHHh |
| 00:25.22 | Mikk | goes back to bed |
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| 04:24.44 | steev | okay, wtf addon is it that sends you a freaking whisper whenever you roll |
| 04:25.56 | steev | was just in an ony 10 and os 10 with this retarded druid healer (who wasn't the group leader nor did they have assist) and any time i'd roll, it would send me a damn whisper |
| 04:26.01 | steev | that shit is annoying as piss |
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| 05:55.41 | sylvanaar | http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2009/12/04/online-gf-2.jpg thats funny |
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| 08:47.49 | asmodai | morning. |
| 08:48.20 | KriLL3 | good morning |
| 08:50.58 | KriLL3 | aw man, wish mininova was still around, all the clueless people that used it have been forced to go to proper sites, the sites I use, and they're getting hit hard by the increased traffic :\ |
| 08:52.20 | Yssaril | what happend to mininova? |
| 08:54.07 | asmodai | Well, basically the judge ordered them to remove all infringing torrents. |
| 08:56.29 | Zyn- | they pussied out |
| 08:57.02 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 08:59.17 | KriLL3 | they sent down the slippery slope of acquiescing to court orders, first they let content owners remove offending material, but that's inefficient, so now they're just a distribution platform (no idea if it's still BT) for partners |
| 09:00.22 | KriLL3 | it's basically just a listing of music from the big record labels etc, the URL and design might as well have been plastered over some shitty mp3 site |
| 09:02.46 | asmodai | Heh, and the listing we get from sites like Musicbrainz :D |
| 09:03.47 | KriLL3 | wasn't a good torrent listing, but it satisfied the clueless masses, said masses that are now bogging down the good sites :\ |
| 09:04.27 | KriLL3 | most sites I'm on are noticeably slower, though most of them got additional servers & pipe on order, though sadly stuff like that doesn't happen overnight |
| 09:05.14 | Hirsute | "They pussied out"? Did you mean, they complied with the law? |
| 09:05.48 | KriLL3 | the law written and maintained by the content mongers that are the RIAA and MPAA |
| 09:06.22 | KriLL3 | a law that isn't the result of democratic process aren't valid to me |
| 09:06.54 | Hirsute | While I agree that the methods of the *AAs have been sketchy, at best, it was never legal according to copyright law, to distribute copies of copyright material without the consent of the copyright holder, and that law was the result of democratic process. |
| 09:07.12 | KriLL3 | companies and organizations shouldn't dictate policy in back rooms wafting bundles of greenbacks in front of senators |
| 09:07.42 | KriLL3 | well true, to a certain extent, but most actual laws that deal with this are all the products of their minds |
| 09:07.55 | KriLL3 | and no, nothing democratic about it |
| 09:08.20 | Hirsute | Copyright law forbade the practice that the judge shut down long before record companies existed. |
| 09:09.02 | KriLL3 | copyright law of old however did have room for fair use |
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| 09:09.34 | KriLL3 | in modern times you can get sued if you play music you've bought in public, or just loud enough to be heard by others |
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| 09:10.32 | Hirsute | *nod* But Fair Use *never* covered the unauthorized production and distribution of copies of a copyright work, which is what mininova was doing and no longer is. |
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| 09:11.32 | Hirsute | Fair Use is a shortening of Fair *Educational* Use, and was always centered around academics and study, not around personal use. |
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| 09:11.48 | KriLL3 | and recently the US pushed through legislation in south korea, it's hideous, get 3 *accusations* of piracy and you're banned from the internet, no ISPs aren't allowed by law to give you a connection |
| 09:12.26 | KriLL3 | and the law bans online storage like drop box, etc, all this was done in back rooms under the pretense of trade agreements |
| 09:13.26 | KriLL3 | that's how this kind of policy gets implemented, the democratic process is completely ignored, the content companies realized it was much quicker and easier to just circumvent the legal system with courts etc |
| 09:13.31 | Hirsute | Still doesn't change the fact that what people were using mininova to do was illegal according to a *long established* law that *was* the result of a democratic process. All the raging against the current practices of large corporations and their influence on the law doesn't change that at all. |
| 09:13.56 | KriLL3 | Hirsute: actually the legality of services like that aren't all black and white |
| 09:14.26 | Hirsute | KriLL3: Read carefully what I said: What *people* were using mininova to do was illegal. |
| 09:14.36 | KriLL3 | if I'm paying for a TV package that includes the show(s) I'm downloading, is it still illegal? |
| 09:14.49 | orionshock | KriLL3: no |
| 09:14.55 | KriLL3 | what's the real difference between that and a DVR? |
| 09:14.57 | Hirsute | The only muddy part is whether or not those running mininova share any liability. |
| 09:15.09 | Hirsute | KriLL3: Whether or not the copyright holder authorized the copy. |
| 09:15.23 | KriLL3 | Hirsute: true, and they confirmed that they're liable when they started allowing content companies to filter the site |
| 09:16.07 | orionshock | Hirsute: they share liability because the intent of the site was to distribute copyrighted material anonymously , they are correct in the fact that they are unable to filter anything. |
| 09:16.11 | KriLL3 | most other torrent sites just have a disclamer saying it's not them that put up the content, but their users, and as long as they don't filter the law says they're not liable, or something to that effect |
| 09:16.46 | KriLL3 | but if they do filter in some way, even if it's just to remove fakes, they're liable |
| 09:16.53 | Hirsute | Hirsute: *I'm* not arguing whether or not the site was liable, I'm just saying that that is the only part of the whole situation that's really open for legal testing at this point. |
| 09:16.57 | orionshock | correct. |
| 09:17.12 | Hirsute | I love it when I ping myself. >.> |
| 09:17.22 | Hirsute | Darned heartburn needs to go away so I can go to sleep. |
| 09:17.43 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.02 | KriLL3 | and to be honest the legality of sites like this isn't really important, the day a site goes down two replace it |
| 09:18.39 | KriLL3 | content companies can't pretend that piracy is something temporary that they can defeat |
| 09:21.58 | quiescens | talking to yourself is a bad sign hirsute |
| 09:22.23 | KriLL3 | quiescens: perhaps he's trying to convince himself? |
| 09:23.13 | orionshock | i'll rewrite the dbo tomorrow night.. |
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| 09:24.37 | Hirsute | KriLL3: But your original statement was that they "pussied out". The legality of whether or not they had to is relevant to your statement. Complying with the law, which in this case was interpreted by a court to mean they needed to take down infringing torrents, is hardly "pussying out". It's following the law. |
| 09:24.41 | orionshock | btw KriLL3, i looked it up in US copyright law.. Non-Profit Organisations / Gov can rebroadcast in any form any material or content that initially was broadcast over public airwaves. They can even charge for it provided it is limited to exclusively maintaining the service and not for profit ofc |
| 09:25.01 | quiescens | its okay, down in australia we have an isp currently in a case being accused of um |
| 09:25.02 | KriLL3 | Hirsute: wasn't I that said that |
| 09:25.06 | quiescens | what was the technical wording |
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| 09:25.27 | quiescens | essentially, for allowing film piracy |
| 09:25.52 | Hirsute | KriLL3: Ah, you are correct, you're just the one that responded to my response to that statement. |
| 09:26.31 | orionshock | IMO if broadcasters put up on their own sites the content (ie TV shows) for free access then it's fair game to the rest of us to bit torrent it. :) |
| 09:26.44 | quiescens | oh ours is even better |
| 09:27.07 | orionshock | movies are, yet another matter. tho, not many movies out worth seeing let alone to download. |
| 09:27.17 | KriLL3 | my main problem is that yes, there were laws in place before the content companies started writing policy, but those were in place to protect companies also, large co-operations dictate policy, nothing democratic about it |
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| 09:27.31 | quiescens | this isp has an agreement with a tv channel to provide their stuff without having the downloads counted against users quota, and they provide various other unmetered content |
| 09:27.54 | quiescens | and the film groups are saying that doing that is a sign that the isp is supporting piracy |
| 09:28.04 | KriLL3 | is a court really the rule of law if the laws they uphold was written in a back room at the RIAA and got into the books by bribing senators? |
| 09:28.05 | orionshock | quiescens: yea.. that's going to get alot of flack too by the open bandwidth groups like google n' such |
| 09:28.08 | quiescens | because "it just gives users more quota to download copyright material with" |
| 09:28.38 | orionshock | KriLL3: that's what revolutions are for :) |
| 09:28.43 | orionshock | law is law |
| 09:28.44 | quiescens | that was such a stupid point to try to make though |
| 09:29.30 | quiescens | it was like, they're telling this ISP that offering additional legal content was just there to let users download more illegal content |
| 09:30.01 | orionshock | quiescens: guaranteed if they tried to do that in the US, they'd have all sorts of national ISP's and other content providers jumping down their throats about equal and fair bandwidth provisioning, threatening to cut peering rights |
| 09:30.38 | quiescens | well, the thing is internet service has quotas down here |
| 09:30.41 | quiescens | for amounts downloaded |
| 09:30.52 | quiescens | so many isps provide things like mirrors for patches |
| 09:30.58 | quiescens | software updates |
| 09:31.05 | orionshock | not an issue, it's the preferential treatment that is the problem |
| 09:31.05 | quiescens | game demos |
| 09:31.42 | KriLL3 | quiescens: well the main problem for you is the relatively weak pipes on the ocean floor to other continents right? and the ping issue |
| 09:31.43 | quiescens | and then they're trying to argue that the isp is doing that in order to give people more quota with which to pirate things |
| 09:32.06 | quiescens | actually the available bandwidth is reasonable |
| 09:32.08 | quiescens | its just, expensive |
| 09:32.12 | KriLL3 | I'm guessing a big boat with an anchor could radically reduce your national bandwidth =P |
| 09:32.20 | quiescens | and well, the other side of the world is the other side of the world |
| 09:32.50 | quiescens | can't do much about the latency without defying the known physics |
| 09:33.03 | quiescens | the cables are generally laid out in pairs |
| 09:33.07 | quiescens | only one of which is actually used |
| 09:33.08 | KriLL3 | can improve it some, but yeah, the speed of light is the speed of light |
| 09:33.28 | KriLL3 | quiescens: errm, I thought that was the main reason why austrailia had so slow internet? |
| 09:33.35 | quiescens | we don't have slow internet |
| 09:33.37 | KriLL3 | why not turn on the other cable? |
| 09:33.40 | KriLL3 | you do |
| 09:33.42 | KriLL3 | terribly slow |
| 09:33.44 | KriLL3 | and expensive |
| 09:33.45 | quiescens | we have expensive internet |
| 09:33.49 | quiescens | its not terribly slow |
| 09:33.56 | KriLL3 | I've heard ove r5Mbit is rare |
| 09:34.13 | quiescens | a lot of the people in metropolitain city centres are somewhere between 10-24mbit |
| 09:34.34 | KriLL3 | but isn't that only really viable for austrailian sites/services? |
| 09:34.47 | KriLL3 | what would the actual speed be on say a US site? |
| 09:34.58 | quiescens | depends on the site |
| 09:35.13 | KriLL3 | I thought the intercontinental pipes were the main bottleneck |
| 09:35.37 | quiescens | international links are the cause of the relatively high Prices |
| 09:36.08 | quiescens | adsl links were previously limited to 1.5mbit because only one company was able to provide them |
| 09:36.21 | KriLL3 | telstra? |
| 09:36.36 | KriLL3 | the former govt telecom company or something to that effect right? |
| 09:36.57 | quiescens | now a lot more people are on adsl2 and being given whatever speed their line is capable of |
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| 09:41.39 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 09:41.45 | quiescens | what speed do you get? |
| 09:42.05 | quiescens | I would imagine it isn't great |
| 09:42.09 | KriLL3 | about 12Mbit, really really far out in a suburb :\ |
| 09:42.18 | quiescens | what country though |
| 09:42.43 | KriLL3 | Sweden |
| 09:42.54 | quiescens | for the most part, most people are limited by what speed their line will do their adsl sync at |
| 09:43.17 | KriLL3 | yeah I'm really far from the switching station sadly |
| 09:43.26 | KriLL3 | I have one on the other side of the street but it's "full" |
| 09:43.45 | quiescens | http://www.speedtest.net/result/643087698.png |
| 09:43.49 | KriLL3 | so I'm connected to one really far away |
| 09:44.02 | quiescens | that's what I get from here to their server in CA |
| 09:45.45 | KriLL3 | decent enough |
| 09:46.01 | KriLL3 | I get a bit more, though ofc I test against NY ;) |
| 09:47.07 | quiescens | anyway |
| 09:47.28 | quiescens | you'll find most people find the quota/cost issue to be bigger than the available speeds issue |
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| 09:48.22 | KriLL3 | I wish I lived like a Km closer to town, could get 100Mbit both ways for half the price of my current DSL if I did :\ |
| 09:48.43 | quiescens | I can technically use up the entire month's worth of download quota in less than a day if I download at the speed my connection is capable of |
| 09:48.53 | KriLL3 | you're capped? |
| 09:48.55 | quiescens | in less than 10 hours probably |
| 09:49.57 | Grum | KriLL3: what distance does the data have to travel? because lightspeeds wont limit it *that* much :) |
| 09:50.34 | quiescens | in the context of the discussion |
| 09:50.38 | quiescens | 16000 km or so? |
| 09:50.58 | Grum | that is 53ms, so 106 for a roundtrip |
| 09:51.02 | KriLL3 | Grum: limit in what way? the speed of light determines the latency, not the bandwidth |
| 09:51.21 | KriLL3 | and switching it at hops actually take more time than the actual trip |
| 09:51.23 | Grum | yeah but typical latencies are ~400 orso |
| 09:51.29 | Grum | yeah apparently ;) |
| 09:51.37 | quiescens | well, 16000km as the crow flies |
| 09:51.40 | Grum | we need lightswitches! |
| 09:51.57 | quiescens | latencies are closer to 200-250 |
| 09:52.04 | KriLL3 | Grum: bah, I got a better idea, put fiber connections going from all computers to all computers =P |
| 09:52.08 | quiescens | rather |
| 09:52.14 | quiescens | Network latencies are closer to 200-250 |
| 09:52.17 | KriLL3 | no switching needed |
| 09:52.33 | Grum | KriLL3: i wouldn't want that 5-6 billion lines coming into my house :P |
| 09:52.55 | KriLL3 | Grum: don't be a baby |
| 09:53.06 | Grum | what about laptops! |
| 09:53.11 | quiescens | use smoke signals |
| 09:53.12 | Grum | invisible fiber! |
| 09:53.15 | quiescens | inherently multicast |
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| 09:59.39 | vhaarr | Yssaril: did you change your acegui lsm widgets back to svn? |
| 10:07.26 | mitchnull | according to his post on the forums, he did |
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| 10:07.53 | mitchnull | http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=293516&postcount=73 |
| 10:11.12 | nevcairiel | he should've not let the whiners bother him |
| 10:12.09 | vhaarr | what he shouldn't have done is chance the repository type for a released library |
| 10:12.13 | vhaarr | change |
| 10:14.25 | Mikk | running any library non-svn is ... mildly stupid |
| 10:14.44 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 10:14.55 | Mikk | because svn is kind of the common denominator that others speak |
| 10:15.02 | Grum | so? :) |
| 10:15.03 | nevcairiel | thats not a reason |
| 10:15.08 | Mikk | wait.. lemme guess |
| 10:15.11 | Mikk | "packager" |
| 10:15.12 | nevcairiel | if i were to write anything new, i wouldnt use svn |
| 10:15.24 | Mikk | now try using the packager somewhere else |
| 10:15.31 | Mikk | where you're just extern:ing in the lib |
| 10:15.33 | Grum | why would you? |
| 10:15.49 | Mikk | headdesks |
| 10:16.03 | Grum | use git submodules, not rocketsurgery |
| 10:16.20 | asmodai | Oh ffs, not this stupid topic again >_< |
| 10:16.26 | Mikk | library = use svn |
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| 10:16.33 | Mikk | anything else = use whatever, they speak svn |
| 10:16.38 | Grum | no, if you use any SCM, use git |
| 10:16.54 | asmodai | Face it, you're all programmers, you all have opinions and that includes which VCS is ftw |
| 10:16.55 | Mikk | ... |
| 10:16.57 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt use svn just because its stupid enough for other people to understand |
| 10:17.10 | Mikk | so, you make a library |
| 10:17.12 | Mikk | you want others to use it |
| 10:17.13 | vhaarr | it's the "vim vs emacs" debate of todays hip programmers |
| 10:17.15 | Mikk | no |
| 10:17.17 | Mikk | it's not that |
| 10:17.23 | Mikk | i don't give a flying fuck what people use for their addons |
| 10:17.24 | asmodai | vhaarr: that or ksh vs csh |
| 10:17.32 | Grum | no its not, claiming to use something old so old crap can use it still is stupid |
| 10:17.42 | Mikk | it's the fact that PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PULL IN YOUR BLOODY LIBRARY |
| 10:17.44 | nevcairiel | Mikk: i dont create stuff so others want to use it, i create it because i think its a good idea to do, and i want to use it. |
| 10:17.49 | asmodai | vhaarr: And in the end all the reasons people bring to the table are fairly moot because it only reflects their personal preference. :) |
| 10:17.51 | Grum | Mikk: so what about the peple writing the addon in git? |
| 10:17.56 | Grum | they cant pull it in with svn ... |
| 10:18.00 | vhaarr | the issue here anyway is that he changed the type on a released library, but all of you conveniently managed to ignore that fact |
| 10:18.03 | Grum | you are locking down the path of upgrade :) |
| 10:18.12 | Mikk | git submodules lalala |
| 10:18.21 | asmodai | vhaarr: I don't know the setups, what does it imply? |
| 10:18.23 | Grum | git submodule of a svn repo? |
| 10:18.27 | Grum | good luck with that |
| 10:18.33 | vhaarr | asmodai: changing the repository type` |
| 10:18.37 | vhaarr | asmodai: ? |
| 10:18.52 | Grum | it implies that people have to change their pkgmeta |
| 10:18.55 | asmodai | vhaarr: Aye, I mean, I understand using a difference VCS client, but does it matter for the packager or something? |
| 10:18.57 | Mikk | i mean some people here swear by git and it's the second coming |
| 10:18.58 | asmodai | Ahh ok |
| 10:19.00 | Grum | and that people tend to not notice |
| 10:19.01 | vhaarr | asmodai: 90 addons have to be updated |
| 10:19.06 | nevcairiel | no where else in software dev people automatically pull in librarys, either they do so on build time, or they let the users get the deps |
| 10:19.07 | Mikk | now - how happy are you if someone puts out hg libs? |
| 10:19.15 | nevcairiel | its a broken concept no matter how you think about it |
| 10:19.18 | Xinhuan | can't we just write a script to update all 90? |
| 10:19.23 | Grum | Mikk: i wouldnt care |
| 10:19.30 | asmodai | Xinhuan: Should be possible, yes. |
| 10:19.32 | Grum | Xinhuan: yes please |
| 10:19.36 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: the library has seen 2 commits the last 4 months or something |
| 10:19.43 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: why change to git? |
| 10:19.49 | Grum | because svn is crap? |
| 10:19.51 | Xinhuan | what's done is done |
| 10:19.56 | Xinhuan | find a solution now |
| 10:19.59 | vhaarr | he changed it back to svn |
| 10:19.59 | Grum | he actually already changed back :P |
| 10:20.04 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 10:20.05 | Grum | ofc purging all history |
| 10:20.05 | Mikk | that was the solution |
| 10:20.10 | Xinhuan | so whats the problem now |
| 10:20.11 | Grum | because svn is /headdesk |
| 10:20.13 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 10:20.16 | vhaarr | there's no problem |
| 10:20.38 | Grum | indeed no problem, just a 'you have to use svn so my old crap can use it!' |
| 10:20.39 | Mikk | the "problem" was that i pointed out that hosting ANY lib non-svn is a Bad Idea (imo) |
| 10:21.12 | Grum | Mikk: since curse dropped the svn:externals and started using pkgmeta, you should not hold on to svn |
| 10:21.33 | Mikk | now you're assuming that every addon in the world lives on curse dev servers |
| 10:21.39 | asmodai | Let me guess, you're all git users? :) |
| 10:21.46 | Grum | git > svn, so yeah |
| 10:21.53 | Grum | its an easy choice from a dev pov |
| 10:22.00 | nevcairiel | Mikk: the whole process of auto packaging libs is a bad idea, but people didnt want to change :P |
| 10:22.13 | asmodai | Figured, the only ones actively proselytizing VCS users have been git users. :-P |
| 10:23.01 | vhaarr | if you ever find a person who uses git on a Mac, you'd better not get close |
| 10:23.04 | Mikk | nevcairiel: sure, it's a bad idea if you have established release processes, and a big org |
| 10:23.09 | Mikk | guess what this is a hobby project :P |
| 10:23.39 | nevcairiel | Mikk: alot of OSS is just hobby projects, and they manage to release stuff while manually pulling in deps |
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| 10:24.01 | asmodai | vhaarr: That bad? |
| 10:24.16 | vhaarr | the fanboyism will choke you to death |
| 10:25.39 | asmodai | vhaarr: Ah |
| 10:26.05 | KriLL3 | I thought fanboyism gave you superpowers? |
| 10:26.23 | vhaarr | that's a belief held by many fanboys indeed |
| 10:26.56 | vhaarr | it was debunked in the great fanboy fire of 07 |
| 10:27.23 | vhaarr | when 50.000 apple fanboys were burnt alive at the launch of the iphone event |
| 10:27.31 | KriLL3 | fanboys burn just like witches you say? |
| 10:27.40 | asmodai | vhaarr: I've been hearing the rah-rah DVCS > SVN talks for the better part of 2 years now and I have yet to see a proper reason why it would make more sense for the projects I work on at work as well as at home. Although I have to say I have used some Hg for some personal projects to test it out. |
| 10:27.43 | vhaarr | obviously, if they had super powers, they'd have escaped somehow |
| 10:28.07 | vhaarr | asmodai: if you worked with many other people on something, it'd make sense |
| 10:28.26 | vhaarr | but as long as your team is just yourself or 2-3 people, there's no reason to spend any time on it |
| 10:28.34 | asmodai | vhaarr: Yes and no. |
| 10:28.38 | nevcairiel | git was designed for the linux kernel, where *many* people work on *many* different tasks, sharing stuff with each other |
| 10:28.50 | asmodai | vhaarr: Imagine having to work with PhD students who don't have a CS/IT background. :) |
| 10:29.03 | vhaarr | then don't think about it |
| 10:29.07 | vhaarr | spend your time in books and use svn |
| 10:29.15 | asmodai | vhaarr: Which is what we do. |
| 10:29.25 | asmodai | Works a treat in general. |
| 10:29.35 | asmodai | Although I still wonder how this one guy manage to create a repo inside a repo. |
| 10:31.50 | Grum | asmodai: lets just say that the second you get local commits your coding life will ease up :P |
| 10:31.59 | KriLL3 | asmodai: perhaps he did it using a VM inside a VM? |
| 10:32.33 | asmodai | KriLL3: No, thinking back at what he showed me I think I understand. He was directly manipulating the repo instead of getting a proper checkout first. |
| 10:33.43 | asmodai | Grum: Which hardly ever happens to me. I work very much in small blocks. Change stuff, test, commit. Maybe it's a remnant from my CVS past or just because I prefer smaller increments over large ass updates where you lose the overview. |
| 10:33.54 | asmodai | Heck, I separate white space changes from code changes as well. |
| 10:34.39 | nevcairiel | When you've used git add -p just once, you will so much miss it in svn :( |
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| 10:35.07 | nevcairiel | If svn would at least add that, somehow |
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| 10:36.00 | KriLL3 | is there a quick and easy way to copy your entire UI between chars? |
| 10:37.21 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Which does what? |
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| 10:37.51 | nevcairiel | asmodai: allow you to split your local changes into multiple commits, if you want |
| 10:38.26 | nevcairiel | I always find my self changing one thing, then seeing another and fixing it, afterwards i think i should split that in two commits .. but not with svn :P |
| 10:38.45 | nevcairiel | svn can only commit a whole file |
| 10:38.46 | asmodai | So you're sloppy :P |
| 10:38.50 | asmodai | runs |
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| 10:39.08 | asmodai | But fair enough, if a tool can do that for you, why not. |
| 10:39.20 | nevcairiel | it would disturb my workflow if i were to commit between those changes |
| 10:39.43 | asmodai | Yeah, I understand. Was just joking. :) |
| 10:39.51 | nevcairiel | I should setup a git-svn for the svn repos i have to use :D |
| 10:40.14 | nevcairiel | sadly git-svn isnt working in the windows git version |
| 10:40.33 | nevcairiel | should get cygwin |
| 10:41.07 | mitchnull | the cygwin git doesn't work |
| 10:41.17 | mitchnull | well, doesn't work properlyl in some cases :) |
| 10:41.25 | mitchnull | s/badspelling/goodspelling/ |
| 10:41.33 | nevcairiel | worked for me before |
| 10:42.11 | nevcairiel | man screw this stupid network issue |
| 10:42.38 | mitchnull | nev: tends to think I changed file permissions or somesuch |
| 10:43.03 | nevcairiel | for some reason my NIC (onboard) died, and now my only net connection is using a usb tether to my phone which then links myself into my own wifi |
| 10:43.06 | nevcairiel | and its damn unstable |
| 10:43.08 | nevcairiel | bah |
| 10:43.29 | asmodai | Ouchie |
| 10:43.34 | KriLL3 | get a new NIC ;) |
| 10:43.51 | nevcairiel | i tried installing a old pci 100mbit nic out of another comp |
| 10:43.52 | mitchnull | too much git usage kills on-board NICs |
| 10:43.55 | mitchnull | true story |
| 10:44.07 | nevcairiel | but either the nic broke, or my mainboard has more issues then the broken onboard NIC |
| 10:44.11 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: for some odd reason old NICs tend to lack drivers |
| 10:44.27 | nevcairiel | it was one of these default realtek nics |
| 10:44.30 | asmodai | That 51 pt frost talent for mages seems a bit meh in my eyes. |
| 10:44.38 | nevcairiel | i bet there are drivers |
| 10:44.45 | nevcairiel | but the pci device didnt even show up |
| 10:44.50 | nevcairiel | something fishy is going on with my mainboard |
| 10:44.52 | nevcairiel | going to replace it |
| 10:44.57 | yoshimo | bossmods in existence are, bigwigs, deadlybossmods, deus vox encounters and raidwatch2, are there any others? |
| 10:45.00 | nevcairiel | next week, hopefully |
| 10:45.16 | KriLL3 | my 100Mbit 3com NIC I got 2 months before vista's release only ever got one driver, meant for ME/2000/XP vista ones never materialized |
| 10:45.50 | KriLL3 | don't have any XP computers, chucked it in the garbage |
| 10:46.01 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: the realtek 8139 i tried is like "the" default nic, there are drivers |
| 10:46.08 | nevcairiel | just didnt help if the pci device didnt even show up |
| 10:46.11 | KriLL3 | ah a standard chipset |
| 10:46.24 | KriLL3 | sounds like your mobo is asking for retirement |
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| 10:46.35 | Fisker | i'll retire you |
| 10:46.43 | asmodai | ok, who woke Fisker? |
| 10:46.52 | Fisker | i did |
| 10:46.56 | asmodai | Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? |
| 10:47.05 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: if the onboard NIC and PCI ports are screwy I'd guess the NIC bus or something related is broken |
| 10:47.13 | Fisker | ffffuuuuuuuuu- |
| 10:47.21 | Fisker | Larrabee is cancelled :( |
| 10:47.40 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: yeah something like that i guess, oh well, changed my upgrade schedule to get new stuff now .. |
| 10:47.55 | KriLL3 | Fisker: no real surprise, Intel is putting GPUs on the CPU dye now |
| 10:48.09 | KriLL3 | a discrete GPU doesn't make much sense then |
| 10:48.21 | nevcairiel | just that i'll have to get some cheaper stuff now, but it'll work |
| 10:48.50 | KriLL3 | I've only had one mobo fail, and it failed spectacularly, blew the capacitor's caps |
| 10:49.10 | KriLL3 | was my old P4 mobo, took that as an excuse to upgrade to C2Q |
| 10:49.47 | nevcairiel | i've had one mobo die due to a bad PSU with smoke and all, other then that, its my first failure |
| 10:49.57 | Fisker | A burning mosfet is a beautiful sight btw |
| 10:50.30 | nevcairiel | its 2.5 years old, guess thats an acceptable time for an upgrade anyway |
| 10:50.42 | nevcairiel | i just wish i had more money available right now, but meh |
| 10:50.46 | nevcairiel | going for a i7 860 now |
| 10:51.09 | KriLL3 | i7 isn't exactly low brow |
| 10:51.28 | nevcairiel | i was thinking about the i5, but i kinda want HT :P |
| 10:51.44 | Fisker | i want i9 |
| 10:51.55 | KriLL3 | yeah, and the i7 has the dynamic overclocking, and 2 core shift if 4 aren't used etc |
| 10:51.55 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Seems the 860 runs with much less power than the 920 while getting roughly similar performance |
| 10:52.13 | nevcairiel | asmodai: power isnt really any of my concern tbh |
| 10:52.19 | asmodai | nevcairiel: only problem is the chipset |
| 10:52.20 | nevcairiel | i'm getting the 860 because it runs on the "cheap" socket |
| 10:52.25 | nevcairiel | so i can get a cheaper P55 |
| 10:52.27 | Fisker | nevcairiel is a terrorist |
| 10:52.30 | nevcairiel | and not an expensive X58 |
| 10:52.33 | Fisker | terrorists don't care about the enviroment |
| 10:52.41 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Aye, but it has some downsides. |
| 10:52.46 | nevcairiel | like? |
| 10:53.01 | nevcairiel | I don't need the extra pcie lanes for SLI |
| 10:53.05 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Can't do more than 8 GB without paying through the nose for the 4 GB DDR3 chips |
| 10:53.24 | KriLL3 | think it's funny that at one point we started using 1000w+ PSUs but that trend stopped when we got lower power components with the same performance |
| 10:53.25 | nevcairiel | there are some boards with 6 ram slots |
| 10:53.25 | asmodai | Since it only has 4 memory slots. |
| 10:53.31 | nevcairiel | but i'm fine with 8gb, tbh |
| 10:53.34 | asmodai | Sure it uses P55? |
| 10:53.38 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 10:53.46 | asmodai | I thought the 1156 slot boards with 6 slots used the X58 |
| 10:53.47 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: groups of 3 are DDR3 |
| 10:54.07 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: only on the i7 9xx, the 8xx run dual-channel again |
| 10:54.17 | KriLL3 | hmm |
| 10:54.22 | KriLL3 | didn't know that |
| 10:54.37 | nevcairiel | the 860 has nearly the same performance as the 920 |
| 10:54.48 | nevcairiel | just on the smaller socket and with dual channel ram |
| 10:54.49 | Fisker | but you know what nevcairiel ? |
| 10:54.53 | KriLL3 | I'm still happy with my C2Q :) |
| 10:54.53 | Fisker | Now that i9 is out in a few months |
| 10:54.59 | Fisker | i'll be like "lol upgrade" |
| 10:55.00 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Recent c't test showed the Gigabyte board to be one of the better ones |
| 10:55.08 | Fisker | and you'll be like "I'm content with what i have at the moment" |
| 10:55.09 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Intel's own board has a shitload of performance issues. |
| 10:55.10 | nevcairiel | asmodai: indeed, looking at one |
| 10:55.12 | Fisker | and i'll be like "lol n00b" |
| 10:55.38 | KriLL3 | asmodai: don't all boards for intel CPUs use intel chipsets? |
| 10:56.01 | KriLL3 | since intel bared Nvidia from making chipsets |
| 10:56.08 | asmodai | KriLL3: Yes, which is funny, all these boards used the P55, aside the Biostar with X58 IIRC, and Intel screwed up performance on some fronts. |
| 10:56.39 | KriLL3 | asmodai: hmm, is it a cooling issue or is it simply configured differently? |
| 10:56.51 | asmodai | nevcairiel: the GB board was a GA-P55M-UD2 |
| 10:56.57 | nevcairiel | asmodai: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=3239 thats the one i want to get |
| 10:57.06 | nevcairiel | a P55A-UD4 |
| 10:57.10 | KriLL3 | I'm personally an Asus fan |
| 10:57.15 | KriLL3 | especially their ROG line |
| 10:57.34 | Fisker | i lol'd @ P6T Deluxe |
| 10:57.55 | Fisker | they found the SAS controller too confusing for people so they removed it and made it "P6T Deluxe v2" |
| 10:58.04 | Fisker | Yeah that's not gonna confuse people even further durr |
| 10:58.20 | KriLL3 | SAS controller? |
| 10:58.24 | asmodai | KriLL3: it had issues with eSata throughput, high price, |
| 10:58.41 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 10:58.56 | Fisker | Serial-Attached-SCSI |
| 10:59.01 | Fisker | i think |
| 10:59.11 | KriLL3 | who uses SCSI? |
| 10:59.25 | Fisker | People who like performance? |
| 10:59.30 | nevcairiel | SAS is awesome |
| 10:59.32 | nevcairiel | also pricy |
| 10:59.44 | KriLL3 | well it's not really something a consumer would ever encounter |
| 10:59.57 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i wonder if i should get the M instead of the A .. might save some space in my case, its already pretty crowded in there .. |
| 11:00.01 | Fisker | if you have the money sure |
| 11:00.09 | Fisker | I was infact about to buy a few used ones |
| 11:00.10 | nevcairiel | M being the Micro-ATX |
| 11:00.41 | asmodai | nevcairiel: micro atx? |
| 11:00.41 | asmodai | ah |
| 11:00.43 | KriLL3 | I don't like mATX boards just for the reason that connectors get a bit cramped, and you got less expansion slots |
| 11:01.10 | KriLL3 | I don't use as many expansion boards as I used to, but something inside me still says I want em |
| 11:01.18 | asmodai | I need to rebuild my entire system anyway, including a new case, so I'll just go atx |
| 11:01.19 | nevcairiel | on the other hand, on the M board the PCIe 4x slot is covered by a 2-slot gfx card |
| 11:01.23 | KriLL3 | especially 2 well spaced PCIe connectors for dual video cards |
| 11:01.25 | nevcairiel | so i cant use any other pci-e device |
| 11:01.26 | nevcairiel | bad |
| 11:01.40 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 11:01.43 | Fisker | That pisses me off |
| 11:01.44 | nevcairiel | i was considering getting a pcie sound card |
| 11:01.47 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: yeah that's my main issue with most mATX boards, one big graphics card and that's it |
| 11:01.48 | Fisker | Just leave that spot empty already |
| 11:01.56 | nevcairiel | or put PCI there :P |
| 11:01.59 | Fisker | In 99,9% of all cases that slot will have a cooler over it |
| 11:02.33 | KriLL3 | Fisker: I've seen flexible PCI(e) risers btw, so you can use those slots if you figure out a way to mount the board at some weird angle |
| 11:02.54 | nevcairiel | or look at the P55A-UD4 .. they have a PCIe x1 there, but they also have 2 other x1 slots, so it would work out i guess |
| 11:03.50 | nevcairiel | The A also has SATA3 and USB3.0 already, ready to go for the future :P |
| 11:04.03 | nevcairiel | might be nice to have sata3 for a possible SSD sometime next year |
| 11:04.13 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 11:04.37 | KriLL3 | though I guess you could get a PCI-e x1 controller card for stuff like that fairly cheaply |
| 11:04.48 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 11:05.02 | Fisker | is pci-e x1 enough bandwitdh for that? :P |
| 11:05.16 | KriLL3 | 2/4 if it isn't |
| 11:05.32 | KriLL3 | guess 4 is more common than 2 |
| 11:05.37 | nevcairiel | the sata3/usb3.0 share a x8 link, apparently |
| 11:05.56 | nevcairiel | if you use them, the second x16 slot(which is a x8 internally) gets disabled |
| 11:06.01 | Fisker | PCI-Express v3.0 is 1GB/s a lane |
| 11:06.10 | nevcairiel | or rather, if you use the slots, those controllers fallback to their slow mode |
| 11:06.23 | Fisker | so technically x1 is enough |
| 11:07.50 | yoshimo | is there a good, cheap mainboard that can deal with intel processors and multiple graphiccards? |
| 11:07.52 | asmodai | nevcairiel: the question is, which sound card? |
| 11:07.54 | KriLL3 | kinda cool that some buses aren't going to be used as much with the new intel CPUs with onboard memory management, and other stuff that before was on the north bridge |
| 11:08.07 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i forgot the name again =( |
| 11:08.18 | KriLL3 | asmodai: as long as you don't need analog output onboard is sufficient |
| 11:08.21 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Creative has fucked us over a lot, and there's not many alternatives if you want to use it on Linux/BSD :( |
| 11:08.41 | nevcairiel | yoshimo: if you really want 2 or more high-end gfx cards, you'll have to get a X58 chipset, and thats not going to be that cheap |
| 11:08.42 | KriLL3 | if you got headphones hook em up to your digital receiver |
| 11:09.14 | pentium166 | KriLL3: is that a quality of analog output issue or...? |
| 11:09.21 | KriLL3 | sadly I haven't found any onboard that doesn't hiss like a snake on analog outputs |
| 11:09.27 | KriLL3 | pentium166: it's a noise issue |
| 11:09.38 | nevcairiel | the ALC 889 chipset is decent enough |
| 11:10.01 | nevcairiel | its not like back in the ac97 days |
| 11:10.05 | yoshimo | well nev, than we need to focus on quality ;) |
| 11:10.13 | pentium166 | i don't really notice any hiss on my onboard analog |
| 11:10.28 | pentium166 | then again, my equipment isn't that great :p |
| 11:10.30 | nevcairiel | wtf was that name of those pcie sound cards |
| 11:10.30 | asmodai | I'll just plug over my PCI X-Fi f4t4l1ty |
| 11:10.51 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I got some decendant of the ac97, awesome sound on the optical output, hisses like crazy on analog |
| 11:11.07 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: yeah the weakness always is the A/D unit |
| 11:11.08 | asmodai | When it comes to NICs, is Intel the only decent vendor on the market anymore for stand alone cards? |
| 11:11.13 | KriLL3 | I got a creative audigty 2 ZS for my headphones |
| 11:11.47 | nevcairiel | ah asus build them |
| 11:11.50 | KriLL3 | sadly the creative card doesn't even have optical out, and it's coaxial digital connection is rubbish |
| 11:12.01 | nevcairiel | the Asus Xonar look rather nice |
| 11:12.06 | KriLL3 | so I got 2 sound cards =P |
| 11:12.51 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: a bit puzzled as to why Asus doesn't use those cards or something similar integrated instead of the soundmax ones |
| 11:12.59 | KriLL3 | especially for their premium ROG line |
| 11:13.03 | nevcairiel | too expensive |
| 11:13.13 | KriLL3 | well their ROG cards aren't exactly cheap |
| 11:13.55 | nevcairiel | if i were to build a complete home theater set, i would get this one: http://www.asus.de/product.aspx?P_ID=QY0Ud4MG0DMfXNiQ&templete=2 |
| 11:14.01 | nevcairiel | but that requires a proper amp as well |
| 11:14.03 | nevcairiel | which i dont have yet |
| 11:14.22 | KriLL3 | well onboard optical out is sufficient |
| 11:14.30 | KriLL3 | or pass through HDMI |
| 11:14.46 | KriLL3 | most video cards with HDMI now have audio passthrough |
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| 11:15.21 | pentium166 | i don't think i could even fit one of those into my stupid motherboard, it would be rubbing against the video card |
| 11:15.31 | pentium166 | well, maybe not. |
| 11:15.34 | KriLL3 | much better than back in the days when HDMI connectors were just DVI with a different plug |
| 11:15.47 | Hjalte | Is it true that you can not change directly from slow flight form to cat/bear? I just tested it with swift flight form and it worked fine. |
| 11:16.06 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: you can change from any form to any form |
| 11:16.15 | KriLL3 | including back to caster form while stunned |
| 11:16.17 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: you need hardware/driver support for the really good bluray audio formats |
| 11:16.26 | nevcairiel | DTS Master Audio and stuff |
| 11:16.58 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I've not heard about issues with that, from what I've heard the applications you play blu-ray with handle those features |
| 11:17.11 | nevcairiel | by recoding them |
| 11:17.29 | nevcairiel | DTS MA is a losless format, the real studio master sound |
| 11:17.34 | Hjalte | KriLL3: My friend, who is leveling a druid, says he can not change from slow flight form to cat/bear while flight. I play an 80 druid myself and it works fine for me, but I am using swift flight form. |
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| 11:17.40 | nevcairiel | your AMP and your card need to support it |
| 11:18.03 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: I could back when I had slow flight, he might have the option not to remove flying mount when casting or something like that on |
| 11:18.47 | KriLL3 | I could RaWRBomB just fine before I had swift flying |
| 11:19.08 | Hjalte | KriLL3: Yes, I am sure that is the problem. |
| 11:19.48 | KriLL3 | I got "Auto Dismount in Flight" ticked |
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| 11:20.03 | KriLL3 | unticked it, and yes I can't shift anymore |
| 11:20.21 | Hjalte | Yeah, he just confirmed. That was the problem. Cheers. |
| 11:20.24 | KriLL3 | interface -> controls |
| 11:20.26 | KriLL3 | np |
| 11:22.24 | KriLL3 | anyone know of an addon that replaces the quest tracker with a better one? it's way too spaced out, I like how it looks with questhelper running but I don't want to run questhelper 24/7 |
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| 11:23.30 | pentium166 | You could try MonkeyQuest |
| 11:25.55 | KriLL3 | pentium166: I will, thanks |
| 11:26.10 | KriLL3 | is it related to monkeyspeed? remember using that back in the day |
| 11:26.19 | pentium166 | I think so |
| 11:26.34 | pentium166 | You'll want MonkeyBuddy too because the config is in a seperate addon. |
| 11:26.50 | KriLL3 | yeah saw that |
| 11:27.02 | KriLL3 | hope people switch over to the built in configuration thingy |
| 11:27.18 | pentium166 | I'm not sure it's still being developed :( |
| 11:27.18 | KriLL3 | instead of having the 4 millon varieties they do currently |
| 11:27.24 | pentium166 | last release on curse was in august |
| 11:27.29 | KriLL3 | yeah latest release in august |
| 11:27.31 | KriLL3 | though that should be recent enough to work |
| 11:30.41 | pentium166 | i wonder how long before the new arena gear goes into the data files |
| 11:30.51 | KriLL3 | new arena gear? |
| 11:31.01 | pentium166 | so i can see how they managed to make shaman look even goofier |
| 11:31.08 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 11:31.22 | pentium166 | actually, i haven't even heard any announcements about a new season |
| 11:31.24 | KriLL3 | when does the current arena season end? |
| 11:31.27 | KriLL3 | same |
| 11:31.40 | KriLL3 | though I guess 3.3 could contain the new armor |
| 11:31.43 | pentium166 | i guess they figure they can stall with gated access to 3.3 |
| 11:31.51 | pentium166 | er, to icecrown |
| 11:33.01 | KriLL3 | I just wish blizz stopped with the nonsense that it's required to PvE to get PvP gear, and easier/faster to get PvP gear through PvE |
| 11:33.23 | KriLL3 | and give back PvP weapons |
| 11:34.08 | pentium166 | It's a bit better with the 3.2 and 3.3 5 mans, I guess, but I was not happy to be using my crafted healing mace for a season and a half |
| 11:34.37 | KriLL3 | I just wish marrowstrike wasn't rarer than a purple unicorn |
| 11:34.46 | pentium166 | kind of low on the caster weapon priority as a raiding enhancment shaman |
| 11:34.50 | KriLL3 | been to ToC HC 42 times, not seen it yet |
| 11:34.55 | pentium166 | :( |
| 11:35.11 | KriLL3 | considering asking a GM for it |
| 11:35.35 | KriLL3 | suspect that they'll say no, but asking is free |
| 11:36.07 | pentium166 | you could tack it on to the "Anything else I can help you with?" part of a legit GM ticket |
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| 11:36.12 | KriLL3 | true |
| 11:36.36 | KriLL3 | heh man that rocket mount looks goofy |
| 11:36.45 | KriLL3 | just had a mage fly past on it |
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| 11:40.47 | KriLL3 | I really like the triumph mark shoulders, I still got some pvp gear in my tanking set (better than anything you can get outside raids / for a lot of triumph marks) but I all of a sudden look like a badass instead of a player in pvp gear |
| 11:41.13 | KriLL3 | I got the [Runetotem's Shoulderpads of Conquest] green metal looking ones with glowing yellow crystals on top |
| 11:41.47 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2439 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: Removed daily hc items |
| 11:41.50 | pentium166 | remind me of one of the old models |
| 11:42.53 | pentium166 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=14503 okay, doesn't really look anything like it |
| 11:43.05 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 11:43.13 | KriLL3 | no a lot more detailed, though the general shape is a bit similar |
| 11:44.21 | KriLL3 | bah, wish you could show certain armor sets from the equipment manager on the armory |
| 11:45.21 | pentium166 | you could spend a bunch of time adding each item to wowhead's compare thing! |
| 11:45.21 | KriLL3 | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Voliant my gear, I'm one tanking trinket short, and that's not my tanking spec, the other is |
| 11:45.49 | KriLL3 | heh yeah, there are other sites with similar manual ways to do it, just wish the armory could add it, seems it should be fairly easy to add |
| 11:45.50 | pentium166 | do you mean like saved armour sets? |
| 11:46.02 | KriLL3 | well the default UI has an equipment manager |
| 11:46.07 | pentium166 | yeah |
| 11:46.17 | orionshock | question to u lua people, how many pairs in a table does it take before pair()'ing over it takes for ever? |
| 11:46.19 | KriLL3 | should be able to tick the ones you want to share |
| 11:46.28 | orionshock | msg lua_bot hi |
| 11:46.40 | orionshock | msg lua_bot lua> print("hi") |
| 11:46.54 | orionshock | lua_bot: ping |
| 11:46.55 | lua_bot | orionshock: nil |
| 11:47.11 | orionshock | what whispers disabled on the bot again? |
| 11:47.20 | pentium166 | you weren't whispering him |
| 11:47.22 | pentium166 | it |
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| 11:47.30 | orionshock | lol |
| 11:47.38 | orionshock | <3 the / |
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| 12:28.55 | mitchnull | is it possible to change the "dialogControl" attribute on-the-fly? |
| 12:29.29 | mitchnull | I'm trying to implement a background selection dropdown that would allow to select either from "background" or "statusbar" textures (depending on a previous select's value) |
| 12:29.42 | mitchnull | (talking AceConfig3 btw :) |
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| 12:32.35 | nevcairiel | hide/show different controls, imho |
| 12:32.52 | Pneumatus | god damn rkhunter qqing on lenny :< |
| 12:34.02 | mitchnull | nevcariel: well, I'd like to store the "result" in the same db var |
| 12:34.14 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 12:34.20 | nevcairiel | doesnt stop you |
| 12:34.27 | mitchnull | so toggling guiHidden wouldn't help |
| 12:34.36 | mitchnull | the key is the db var name |
| 12:34.41 | mitchnull | erm |
| 12:34.53 | mitchnull | yeah, I can go around changing that |
| 12:35.01 | mitchnull | but it smells :) |
| 12:35.31 | mitchnull | nev: can the dialogControl attribute be a function returning a string? |
| 12:35.52 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 12:42.44 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:44.41 | quiescens | so violent |
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| 12:47.12 | asmodai | mmm, the first fireworks flyers of the year |
| 12:47.24 | robotusch | D: |
| 12:47.32 | robotusch | We can't buy fireworks until after christmas :< |
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| 12:47.49 | robotusch | since some fireworks factory decided to blow up a few years ago :( |
| 12:48.02 | asmodai | You can only pick it up after the 27th or so I think |
| 12:48.07 | robotusch | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQmBFmW953E :3 |
| 12:48.22 | nevcairiel | same here robotusch |
| 12:48.29 | nevcairiel | except that the 27th is a sunday this year |
| 12:49.08 | nevcairiel | eh, asmodai, not robotusch .P |
| 12:49.12 | nevcairiel | shouldnt write while watching movies |
| 12:51.38 | asmodai | Hehehe |
| 12:51.41 | asmodai | Is it a good one? |
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| 12:59.13 | KriLL3 | discipline isn't a good pve healing spec right? |
| 12:59.24 | asmodai | Depends |
| 12:59.36 | asmodai | I think it's the best single target healing spec IIRC. |
| 12:59.51 | KriLL3 | well this was in a heroic |
| 12:59.53 | asmodai | Or better yet, damage avoidance. |
| 13:00.01 | KriLL3 | with dmg on multiple targets |
| 13:00.22 | KriLL3 | he went oom very quickly |
| 13:00.29 | asmodai | Mmm |
| 13:01.19 | KriLL3 | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Thyrim oh, his gear sucks |
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| 13:02.28 | asmodai | KriLL3: bit strange mix of items |
| 13:02.34 | KriLL3 | how come if you use the LFM tab in the LFG tool the LFG tab comes unusable and you can't use it again until you reloadui? |
| 13:02.40 | KriLL3 | yeah blues greens and pvp |
| 13:03.19 | asmodai | Plus not fully socketed. |
| 13:03.57 | KriLL3 | I can't spot any enchants |
| 13:05.02 | asmodai | Mmm, time to make a hamburger. |
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| 13:31.48 | asmodai | nevcairiel: was it GA-P55A-UD4P that you said? |
| 13:31.58 | nevcairiel | without the P |
| 13:32.27 | nevcairiel | i didnt actually find stuff about the P version on their site |
| 13:33.30 | nevcairiel | hm at least not on the german site |
| 13:33.48 | nevcairiel | ah the P has 2 NICs |
| 13:34.13 | nevcairiel | otherwise seems to be the same |
| 13:34.28 | asmodai | That's the only thing I can find |
| 13:34.31 | asmodai | http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_ComparisonSheet.aspx?ProductID=3239,3238 |
| 13:34.34 | asmodai | ah |
| 13:34.37 | asmodai | and Smart TPM |
| 13:35.29 | nevcairiel | thats their encryption deal, right? |
| 13:36.02 | asmodai | The trusted computing shit |
| 13:36.05 | nevcairiel | well they dont sell the P here, apparently |
| 13:36.06 | asmodai | stuff you want to avoid like hell |
| 13:36.44 | asmodai | but it's ATX, I thought you were looking at microATX? |
| 13:37.10 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1142 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 13:37.13 | Repo | - Shoot actionbar icon (for Wands) now displays cast time when cast time displaytype is selected |
| 13:37.14 | Repo | - Customized haste values now are properly applied to periodic spell period time display. Hybrid spell period time display no longer incorrectly gets increased by haste. |
| 13:37.15 | Repo | - Totem bar icons texts are now properly updated when the totem is swapped |
| 13:37.46 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, i have a default atx case, but its rather tiny inside, so if i can get the features i want on a microATX, sure |
| 13:37.51 | nevcairiel | but it looks like that wont be possible |
| 13:38.27 | nevcairiel | I'm only pondering for the UD5 instead of the UD4 now, because it comes with 6 ram slots |
| 13:38.39 | Gagorian | Also, why the hell does the Blizzard background updater make my HD scream like it's on fire. Nothing else does that, even if I'm running n number of torrents 24/7 etc. |
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| 13:38.49 | asmodai | nevcairiel: mmm |
| 13:39.03 | nevcairiel | but then 8gb should be more then enough, i guess |
| 13:39.07 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I was first looking at the GigaByte EX58-UD3R |
| 13:39.15 | asmodai | nevcairiel: but that socket 1156 is looking mightily interesting |
| 13:39.17 | nevcairiel | no X58, too expensive for me |
| 13:39.31 | nevcairiel | I could get a i7 920 and some X59 board |
| 13:39.34 | nevcairiel | but they are mighty pricy |
| 13:39.55 | nevcairiel | er X58 |
| 13:40.06 | asmodai | yeah |
| 13:40.20 | asmodai | 870 is like eur 200 over the 860 IIRC |
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| 13:41.22 | Belazor | WTB a reasonably priced ~150 GB SSD that's got decent features :( |
| 13:41.31 | nevcairiel | the 870 is way too expensive |
| 13:41.37 | nevcairiel | the 860 and the 920 are about the same price |
| 13:41.51 | asmodai | nevcairiel: for marginal performance differences yea |
| 13:42.01 | asmodai | 860 is more than adequate |
| 13:42.08 | Belazor | If you don't need a new comp NAO you may want to wait for i9, it's supposed to "make you wonder why you bothered with i7" |
| 13:42.15 | nevcairiel | just that the 860 is happy with dual channel ram, so i dont need to buy tri-packs |
| 13:42.30 | nevcairiel | and the P55 boards are cheaper |
| 13:42.47 | asmodai | Belazor: that's the story of every month |
| 13:42.54 | Belazor | True enough xD |
| 13:43.02 | asmodai | Wait X weeks and product Y will come making product Z inferior. |
| 13:43.17 | nevcairiel | I can't really wait much since my board seems to be dying |
| 13:43.36 | Belazor | Oh |
| 13:43.47 | asmodai | I'm getting a 13th month |
| 13:44.11 | Belazor | Luckily the only thing that's wrong with my P35KC is that the built-in NIC had the worst win7 drivers of all time |
| 13:44.41 | Belazor | atheros' own drivers: comp locks up randomly. MS' drivers: disconnects randomly |
| 13:44.57 | Belazor | So I got an Intel one for 50% off its normal price instead |
| 13:45.09 | Belazor | Lost 200ms latency in WoW, lol |
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| 13:46.39 | asmodai | Mmm, wonder if my NIC disconnect problem is fully gone. |
| 13:46.53 | asmodai | Just happened again. |
| 13:47.31 | Jygga | http://etherpad.com/ep/blog/posts/google-acquires-appjet Oo |
| 13:48.35 | asmodai | Interesting. |
| 13:48.41 | Belazor | What is appjet |
| 13:50.10 | asmodai | looks like an online collaboration tool |
| 13:50.37 | nevcairiel | they merged the team into their wave team, apparently |
| 13:50.46 | asmodai | Which they could use XD |
| 13:53.00 | Pneumatus | is 10952 the latest PTR build? |
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| 13:53.19 | nevcairiel | 958 |
| 13:53.23 | Pneumatus | zz |
| 13:53.26 | Pneumatus | ta |
| 13:54.09 | nevcairiel | the 952->958 patch is tiny |
| 13:54.12 | nevcairiel | just 4mb or so |
| 13:54.30 | Pneumatus | ah ok |
| 13:54.42 | Pneumatus | blizz launcher is annoying the hell out of m |
| 13:54.45 | Pneumatus | *me |
| 13:55.13 | Pneumatus | if you download a patch from in-game it downloads to users/public/documents, but the launcher downloads to the install dir |
| 13:55.22 | Pneumatus | MAKE YOUR MIND UP PLIX |
| 13:57.42 | asmodai | nevcairiel: oh cool, those P55A boards have 2 USB 3 ports |
| 13:58.48 | nevcairiel | yeah and 2 sata 6gbs ports |
| 13:59.21 | asmodai | yeah, much nicer, plus the HD Audio went from ALC 888 -> ALC 889. |
| 13:59.47 | nevcairiel | i have a 889 now, didnt want to downgrade |
| 13:59.57 | asmodai | The M ones were the micro-ATX ones right? |
| 14:00.05 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 14:00.46 | asmodai | ok, so that leaves P55A-UD4/5/6 *comparess* |
| 14:01.11 | nevcairiel | 5 and 6 just add more ram and PCIe slots |
| 14:01.17 | nevcairiel | and a second NIC |
| 14:01.54 | asmodai | The ram slots might be interesting |
| 14:02.15 | asmodai | Due to the pricing of DDR3 at the moment. |
| 14:03.17 | asmodai | Can't even find a difference between UD5 and UD6 actually :| |
| 14:04.07 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 14:05.31 | asmodai | You spot it? :) |
| 14:06.13 | asmodai | Ah, it's EUR 30 more expensive, that must be it :P |
| 14:06.22 | nevcairiel | the comparison list is identical |
| 14:06.45 | asmodai | That's odd |
| 14:06.53 | asmodai | This hardware seller site I have |
| 14:07.07 | asmodai | says that the UD5 has 4 mem slots, not 6 |
| 14:07.12 | asmodai | Whereas the UD6 has 6. |
| 14:07.19 | nevcairiel | it rust the gigabyte page |
| 14:07.22 | nevcairiel | trust* |
| 14:08.07 | asmodai | I don't. |
| 14:08.14 | asmodai | This vendor has photos of the boards as well |
| 14:08.20 | nevcairiel | they have pictures! |
| 14:08.24 | nevcairiel | and its different to the UD6 pic |
| 14:08.25 | asmodai | Hehehehe |
| 14:08.38 | asmodai | What does it show for the UD5's slots? |
| 14:08.55 | asmodai | because this hardware vendor has a photo with the designation readable and it has only 4 |
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| 14:09.02 | nevcairiel | hm wait, the UD5 pci actually only has 4 slots :P |
| 14:09.24 | asmodai | ok, so additional PCIe, but not mem |
| 14:09.29 | sztanpet | Pneumatus why not mklink /D "C:\Users\Public\Documents\Blizzard Entertainment" "G:\stuffz\World of Warcraft\PECCSIZ" |
| 14:09.50 | nevcairiel | asmodai: the details page lists 4 slots too, just the comparison must be off |
| 14:09.56 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Mmm, suckage |
| 14:10.10 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Well, I doubt I'll need 6 slots XD |
| 14:10.15 | nevcairiel | ok getting the 4 then |
| 14:10.19 | asmodai | *grin* |
| 14:10.19 | nevcairiel | dont need the 5 fluff |
| 14:10.22 | asmodai | Yea |
| 14:10.24 | nevcairiel | and the 6 is too expensive |
| 14:10.30 | asmodai | 219? |
| 14:10.30 | nevcairiel | for just 2 more slots |
| 14:10.33 | nevcairiel | 8gb is fine |
| 14:10.44 | asmodai | the 4 is EUR 159,90 here |
| 14:11.01 | nevcairiel | about the same |
| 14:11.15 | asmodai | Alternate is originally German ain't it? |
| 14:11.19 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 14:11.30 | nevcairiel | 156,01 at amazon |
| 14:11.35 | nevcairiel | plans on using curse points |
| 14:11.41 | asmodai | Ah, smart move :) |
| 14:12.02 | nevcairiel | funny price, with the 01, though |
| 14:12.11 | KriLL3 | doesn't armor on rings multiply for feral druid tanks anymore? |
| 14:12.17 | asmodai | And you *WILL* pay that cent! |
| 14:12.43 | asmodai | Mmm, funny, all the Eurocents have slow evaporated now I think about it. |
| 14:12.49 | asmodai | Used to have a bunch in my wallet |
| 14:14.12 | asmodai | nevcairiel: btw, 860 -> 870 is only going from 2,80 (3,46) GHz to 2,93 (3,60) GHz |
| 14:14.22 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Definitely not worth the ~ EUR 200 difference. |
| 14:14.41 | nevcairiel | yeah i saw that |
| 14:15.01 | KriLL3 | are they identical otherwise? could OC the lower in that case |
| 14:15.26 | nevcairiel | same cache sizes, there isnt much else of a difference |
| 14:15.40 | asmodai | KriLL3: Just the speed for all I know/saw |
| 14:15.51 | KriLL3 | then get the slower one and OC |
| 14:18.03 | Pneumatus | anyone know of any alternatives to UltraMon that give extra taskbars for multiple monitors but actually work well in win7? |
| 14:19.01 | KriLL3 | ultramon works fine in 7, use the newer betas |
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| 14:20.34 | Pneumatus | KriLL3: it's not even close to fine on win7 |
| 14:20.42 | KriLL3 | I use it, works fine |
| 14:21.18 | Pneumatus | windows in the non-primary monitor animate minimise to the main display, aero shake causes only the primary monitor windows to collapse, you can't pin to extra taskbars, etc |
| 14:22.40 | KriLL3 | give the author some time, not exactly easy to replicate that kind of functionality |
| 14:23.36 | Pneumatus | well, there wasn't even a "release" made for vista |
| 14:23.47 | Pneumatus | so i'm not holding any kind of hope that it will ever be sorted |
| 14:24.30 | KriLL3 | well how would you do it? |
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| 14:29.31 | Fisker | It's in germany nevcairiel |
| 14:30.42 | nevcairiel | oh hey he was gone that long |
| 14:31.56 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Do it again! :) |
| 14:33.32 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1143 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Apparently AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets is back to SVN. |
| 14:37.41 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Now to see which vendor's mem sticks to put in it. |
| 14:38.00 | nevcairiel | i was thinking about the kingston xmp sticks |
| 14:38.53 | asmodai | I've been happy with the stability of my current Kingston sticks. |
| 14:39.09 | asmodai | Have no experience with GEiL and such brands. |
| 14:39.17 | asmodai | xmp? is that the HyperX stuff? |
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| 14:40.04 | nevcairiel | intels xtreme memory profile support |
| 14:40.24 | asmodai | btw, Gigabyte is funny |
| 14:40.35 | asmodai | In their supported memory list for the UD4 they list: |
| 14:40.40 | asmodai | Kingston KHX2000C9D3T1K3/3GX |
| 14:40.43 | asmodai | which is 3 sticks |
| 14:40.50 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 14:40.52 | asmodai | and Kingston KHX2000C8D3T1K3/6GX which is 6 |
| 14:40.58 | asmodai | Kind of defeats the purpose XD |
| 14:41.07 | nevcairiel | KHX1333C7D3K2/4GX |
| 14:41.09 | nevcairiel | that one |
| 14:41.22 | nevcairiel | don't need the high-speed 2000 ram |
| 14:41.51 | nevcairiel | rather go with CL7 1333 ram |
| 14:41.57 | asmodai | Due to? |
| 14:42.37 | nevcairiel | 1333 is the speed the i7 memory controller was designed for |
| 14:42.42 | nevcairiel | everything else is overclocking ;) |
| 14:42.50 | asmodai | Ah right, we discussed that before. |
| 14:43.10 | Fisker | kingston > u |
| 14:43.12 | nevcairiel | _maybe_ the 1600 just to have some space in the future |
| 14:43.16 | asmodai | * > Fisker |
| 14:43.29 | asmodai | nevcairiel: performance peeking you mean? |
| 14:43.48 | nevcairiel | for OCing possibly |
| 14:44.10 | asmodai | mmm, if you use 1600, does it mean you clock the CPU higher as well? |
| 14:44.17 | asmodai | Should be right? |
| 14:44.27 | asmodai | Since the memory controller is now integrated into the CPU? |
| 14:44.30 | Fisker | s/>/</ |
| 14:44.37 | Fisker | oh u |
| 14:44.39 | KriLL3 | unless the CPU got an unlocked multiplier, yes |
| 14:44.40 | nevcairiel | you can run the 1600 on 1333, just that you can run them higher too if you want |
| 14:44.42 | Fisker | purl you damn dirty traitor |
| 14:45.10 | Fisker | i7 doesn't have locked multipliers |
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| 14:45.24 | nevcairiel | the 1600 is maybe 15€ more then the 1333 |
| 14:45.27 | nevcairiel | so maybe |
| 14:45.34 | nevcairiel | (for a 4gb kit) |
| 14:45.39 | Fisker | only 4GB? |
| 14:45.45 | asmodai | Manual overclocking ain't my thing. I prefer to just run my stuff and not potentially damage it. |
| 14:45.47 | nevcairiel | just comparing prices on them |
| 14:45.49 | Fisker | moo: ram: 4619/12279.1MB (37.62%) [||||------] |
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| 14:46.51 | nevcairiel | i'll only have 4 slots, so i'm going with 8gb, enough for all i do |
| 14:47.03 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Hehehe, yea. |
| 14:47.56 | Fisker | hoping they release the multithreaded stuff soon |
| 14:48.45 | nevcairiel | wtf do you do to use 4gb of ram anyway? |
| 14:48.49 | asmodai | Which multihreaded stuff? |
| 14:49.08 | asmodai | Fisker is only a die hard gamer, right? :) |
| 14:49.19 | Fisker | asmodai kingston and rambus made memory that performs like 50% better and uses 20% less energy because it's multithreaded |
| 14:49.52 | Fisker | that's when my system is basically just "idling" nevcairiel |
| 14:50.05 | nevcairiel | and HP invented tech to make memory without the need to constantly refresh the data |
| 14:50.06 | Fisker | only thing open is browser, mail, steam, irc, etc. |
| 14:50.14 | nevcairiel | sadly its a few years away from production |
| 14:50.38 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Oh, that's nice, so no more refreshes, going to save a bit of energy. |
| 14:50.45 | Fisker | but the real usage is around 11,5GB |
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| 14:50.48 | nevcairiel | memristors ftw |
| 14:50.54 | Fisker | i have 600MB completely free memory |
| 14:51.01 | nevcairiel | Fisker: windows caches dont count |
| 14:51.05 | Fisker | it does |
| 14:51.28 | mitchnull | lua> print(string.find("tada_1", "tada_") |
| 14:51.28 | lua_bot | mitchnull: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 14:51.31 | mitchnull | lua> print(string.find("tada_1", "tada_")) |
| 14:51.31 | lua_bot | mitchnull: 1, 5 |
| 14:51.36 | asmodai | But Fisker's mention of multithreaded memory is probably related so some way to make the memory critical sections less troublesome for access or something :S |
| 14:51.59 | mitchnull | lua> print(string.find("didumtada_1", "tada_")) |
| 14:51.59 | lua_bot | mitchnull: 6, 10 |
| 14:51.59 | Fisker | they showed it on some conference like a few months ago |
| 14:52.09 | nevcairiel | probably a year away from production |
| 14:52.12 | quiescens | there's always some new thing |
| 14:52.14 | nevcairiel | and then damn expensive |
| 14:52.18 | Fisker | http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=60 |
| 14:52.19 | quiescens | most of the time it ends up being impractical |
| 14:52.19 | Fisker | there we go |
| 14:52.28 | nevcairiel | they should rather work on cheaper SSD productions |
| 14:52.40 | asmodai | Our innovative module threading technology employs parallelism to deliver the higher memory bandwidth needed for multi-core systems while reducing overall power consumption |
| 14:52.45 | nevcairiel | wtb 1tb SSD <1000 USD |
| 14:53.00 | KriLL3 | 1TB SSD is a bit vulgar |
| 14:53.12 | KriLL3 | only need tops 120~ |
| 14:53.14 | KriLL3 | *GB |
| 14:53.43 | nevcairiel | I/O performance is pretty much stagnant for the last ~10 years or so |
| 14:53.55 | nevcairiel | magnetics discs cant advance much further |
| 14:54.11 | sb|work | meh, you dont need pr0n on that SSD |
| 14:54.29 | sb|work | os + apps is fine - i dont think you need more than 120gb there |
| 14:54.46 | Megalon | sb|work: and if you wanna watch 3+ hd prons at once? |
| 14:54.58 | nevcairiel | sure you don't, but if you can and can afford it |
| 14:55.05 | nevcairiel | soem day we'll only have SSDs |
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| 14:55.39 | nevcairiel | specifically servers, DB servers or so |
| 14:55.47 | nevcairiel | they need every bit of performance |
| 14:55.54 | nevcairiel | with big storage |
| 14:58.55 | sb|work | yup |
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| 15:03.51 | arkanes | ls -l |
| 15:04.12 | KriLL3 | is there an addon that auto sells soulbound items you can't use? |
| 15:04.21 | KriLL3 | say plate for a non plate wearer |
| 15:05.51 | arkanes | possibly sell-o-matic if you configure it to |
| 15:06.25 | asmodai | nevcairiel: How much is that 1600 Kingston one for you? 4GB set |
| 15:06.26 | KriLL3 | I've seen plenty of addons that you can do it with if you manually add every item, which isn't exactly ideal |
| 15:06.39 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Seems to be around EUR 142,90 here. |
| 15:06.42 | arkanes | anyone know of an LDB plugin for the "attemps remaning" window? |
| 15:06.48 | nevcairiel | asmodai: ~110 |
| 15:07.00 | asmodai | nevcairiel: CL8 or CL9? |
| 15:07.12 | nevcairiel | 8 |
| 15:07.14 | asmodai | wow |
| 15:07.21 | asmodai | Quite a bit cheaper :( |
| 15:07.42 | asmodai | Oh wait |
| 15:07.51 | asmodai | KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX is EUR 142,90 |
| 15:07.59 | asmodai | KHX1600C8D3T1K2/4GX is EUR 99,90 |
| 15:08.24 | asmodai | only the last one seems to have the explicit XMP mention |
| 15:09.01 | asmodai | Ah, but they both are. |
| 15:09.09 | nevcairiel | the X at the end |
| 15:09.11 | nevcairiel | is XMP support |
| 15:09.16 | asmodai | Ah ok |
| 15:09.20 | nevcairiel | the T1 Series seems to have that big cooling things |
| 15:09.49 | nevcairiel | i doubt i can fit that :P |
| 15:10.35 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 15:10.35 | asmodai | http://activextream.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Kingston_HyperX_KHX1600C8D3K2_4GX_2.jpg |
| 15:10.38 | Fisker | why would they be cheaper? |
| 15:10.57 | nevcairiel | yeah thats the default series |
| 15:11.03 | asmodai | T1: http://www.kirikoo.net/images/7kalihererSoc-2-20090908-135757.jpg |
| 15:11.11 | nevcairiel | http://p.gzhls.at/457408.jpg |
| 15:11.16 | asmodai | Fisker: Neither do I grasp it. |
| 15:11.34 | nevcairiel | the T1 are 99 as well, the other 110 for me |
| 15:11.38 | nevcairiel | but i dont think i have space for those |
| 15:11.53 | nevcairiel | maybe the non-T1 have other means of cooling that are more pricy |
| 15:12.01 | asmodai | Give sufficient fan cooling it shouldn't be much of an issue I reckon |
| 15:12.11 | nevcairiel | or just dont get so hot |
| 15:12.18 | nevcairiel | i don't know :) |
| 15:12.49 | asmodai | photo of the unpacked normal one: http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/prodPicPopup.html?cmd=next&artno=ICIF75&view=0 |
| 15:13.06 | Fisker | that looks lol |
| 15:14.15 | nevcairiel | I'll just get two of the non-t1 sets, well ok one now, and one in a week when my credit card switches in the next month :P |
| 15:15.39 | asmodai | nevcairiel: read a customer review here that says those 1600s got set to 9-9-9-24 (9-9-9-27?) by default @ 1,60 V, he had to set them manually to 8-8-8-24 @ 1,65 V |
| 15:16.06 | nevcairiel | i never had a mem stick where the bios actually set them right automatically |
| 15:16.30 | nevcairiel | although XMP should be able to |
| 15:20.22 | asmodai | nevcairiel: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/kingston_hyperx_pc312800_2x2gb/ |
| 15:20.35 | asmodai | One thing you will note is that this set of modules do not carry the T1 heatspreader design, but rather the standard, non-finned, clamshell-type spreader. Without the T1 style heatspreader, will cooling be compromised? We'll have to find out. |
| 15:21.11 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824372878&postId=118231589920&sid=1#1 <-will i piss this guy off? |
| 15:21.48 | nevcairiel | asmodai: sound like awesome OC potential, too |
| 15:22.25 | asmodai | Fisker: Why would he be different from us? You manage here well enough. |
| 15:22.51 | asmodai | heuh |
| 15:22.56 | asmodai | funny: Timings |
| 15:22.56 | asmodai | 8-8-8-20 |
| 15:23.06 | asmodai | So why was that guy talking about 8-8-8-24? |
| 15:23.27 | asmodai | Guess it's 9-9-9-24 -> 8-8-8-20 |
| 15:24.08 | nevcairiel | actually it is 8-8-8-24 as their designated speed |
| 15:24.16 | asmodai | yeah, must be a typo then |
| 15:24.29 | asmodai | The rated timings at 1600MHz are 8-8-8-24. What I found was that at 1600MHz, they could be tightened up to 6-7-6-18 with no increase in voltage above the rated 1.65 volts. |
| 15:24.42 | nevcairiel | http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KHX1600C8D3K2_4GX.pdf |
| 15:24.46 | nevcairiel | their official datasheet |
| 15:25.45 | nevcairiel | did he say something about the temperature deal? |
| 15:26.53 | asmodai | reading |
| 15:27.30 | asmodai | get got it running at 2180MHz |
| 15:27.30 | nevcairiel | i like being able to run the 1600 modules at over 2000 completly stable :P |
| 15:27.40 | nevcairiel | i skimmed the page too now :) |
| 15:27.42 | asmodai | s/get/he/ |
| 15:29.03 | nevcairiel | latency down from 62 to 49 with the OC is awesome |
| 15:29.12 | asmodai | Yeah, that was quite amazing. |
| 15:29.54 | nevcairiel | the real world benchmakrs dont really give it any big increase though |
| 15:29.55 | asmodai | And here he says 8-8-8-20 again >_< |
| 15:30.26 | asmodai | Nothing about temperature |
| 15:30.44 | nevcairiel | he says they run on 6-7-6-18 just fine, i would probably run them on 7-7-7-20 or so then to not max them out, but still get soem fun out of them :) |
| 15:31.18 | asmodai | Yeah, would mean they can easily take it, but by being a bit more conservative it will keep them chugging without issues for quite some time |
| 15:31.34 | asmodai | Actually, that review makes fuck all sense. |
| 15:31.48 | asmodai | He starts with a premise about the clamshells and cooling |
| 15:31.53 | asmodai | And never bloody answers it. |
| 15:32.02 | nevcairiel | he didnt list any cons, so |
| 15:33.16 | asmodai | Lets assume it means no problems. |
| 15:33.23 | asmodai | but still, why the heck is it more expensive? :S |
| 15:33.31 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 15:33.34 | nevcairiel | its not that extreme for me |
| 15:33.37 | nevcairiel | just about 10€ |
| 15:33.44 | asmodai | For me it is, quite silly |
| 15:33.50 | asmodai | Should call 'm and ask |
| 15:33.51 | nevcairiel | maybe they really did something to the chips to make them dissipate less energy |
| 15:34.50 | asmodai | Possibly, but would that warrent close to EUR 50 difference? |
| 15:35.03 | nevcairiel | probably not, your vendor could just be nuts |
| 15:35.39 | asmodai | checks the tweakers pricelist |
| 15:36.11 | asmodai | wow |
| 15:37.04 | asmodai | prices range from EUR 104,66 - 142,90 |
| 15:37.13 | asmodai | How the heck do you manage EUR 40 difference |
| 15:37.13 | nevcairiel | 105 is the cheapest i saw, too |
| 15:37.40 | asmodai | nevcairiel: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/246351/kingston-hyperx-khx1600c8d3k2-4gx.html |
| 15:37.43 | asmodai | nevcairiel: check that graph |
| 15:37.57 | asmodai | nevcairiel: avg price actually went up early Nov |
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| 15:39.11 | nevcairiel | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?phist=457057 |
| 15:39.15 | nevcairiel | i have something like that too :P |
| 15:39.17 | asmodai | Love the wrong image btw. |
| 15:39.30 | asmodai | Holy shit. |
| 15:39.33 | asmodai | http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/246334/kingston-hyperx-khx1600c8d3t1k2-4gx.html |
| 15:39.53 | asmodai | check that EUR 170 |
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| 15:40.17 | asmodai | Mmm, guess the modules are in demand now that the price is going up like that. |
| 15:40.33 | nevcairiel | they went from 85 to 105 here |
| 15:40.36 | nevcairiel | just last week |
| 15:40.37 | nevcairiel | damn :P |
| 15:40.57 | asmodai | Mmm, should I order in or after December XD |
| 15:41.13 | nevcairiel | sadly i don't want to wait |
| 15:41.21 | nevcairiel | that broken nic is driving me nuts |
| 15:41.26 | asmodai | Colleague had ordered an AMD GPU, they had a shitload of waiting time build up now. |
| 15:41.37 | asmodai | nevcairiel: at least you can take the normal ones for a decent price |
| 15:41.46 | nevcairiel | true |
| 15:42.01 | nevcairiel | cant you order from germany? its not that far |
| 15:42.21 | asmodai | Mmm, maybe the price gets adjusted Monday |
| 15:42.46 | asmodai | I can afford to watch the prices go up and down a bit ;) |
| 15:42.53 | nevcairiel | I'll wait for mondays price refresh and order by lunch or so |
| 15:43.01 | nevcairiel | getting CPU and Mobo from amazon |
| 15:43.07 | nevcairiel | they dont change much |
| 15:43.08 | asmodai | Now, the videocard. |
| 15:43.25 | asmodai | I'd rather stick with NVIDIA since I've been using that for the last number of years and I like 'm in general. |
| 15:43.35 | nevcairiel | I have a GTX 260 on the way, actually ordered it before my damn mobo broke |
| 15:43.54 | asmodai | GT < GTS < GTX still? |
| 15:44.06 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 15:44.17 | nevcairiel | the 260 GTX is about ~150 on the simple models |
| 15:44.29 | asmodai | I always picked the higher end of the cards, but not the most idiotic top models. |
| 15:44.50 | nevcairiel | well gtx is already the "high" :) |
| 15:45.02 | asmodai | Which is fine. :) |
| 15:45.10 | asmodai | I just meant more like the latest models in that range. |
| 15:45.17 | asmodai | You pay like 2x - 3x more for little. |
| 15:45.36 | asmodai | 260, 275, 285, 295 -- jeez, don't even know the differences anymore :( |
| 15:45.48 | nevcairiel | if you want a bit more you could get a 275 |
| 15:45.58 | nevcairiel | the other two are just more expensive |
| 15:46.35 | asmodai | btw, Kingston modules, 30 mm vs 61 mm height. |
| 15:46.47 | nevcairiel | If you get a GTX 260, make sure its a GT200b |
| 15:46.50 | nevcairiel | not a GT200 |
| 15:47.06 | nevcairiel | more stream processors, and 55nm instead of 65 |
| 15:47.18 | quiescens | see |
| 15:47.20 | quiescens | stuff like that |
| 15:47.26 | quiescens | should just be given a different name |
| 15:47.31 | asmodai | Yeah |
| 15:47.33 | nevcairiel | they post-fixed the name |
| 15:47.45 | nevcairiel | 260 GTX 216 Core Edition |
| 15:47.48 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 15:47.54 | nevcairiel | GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 |
| 15:48.07 | asmodai | Let's see, Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, XFX, Zotac are vendors I can pick from for these cards. |
| 15:48.25 | KriLL3 | Nvidia loves re-releasing new chips with old names for some odd reason |
| 15:48.34 | asmodai | I am not particularly happy with Asus for that, although they might be better nowadays. |
| 15:48.37 | KriLL3 | the 8800 line as a good example |
| 15:48.48 | asmodai | XFX has a decent name, right? used to use Club3D cards. |
| 15:49.17 | KriLL3 | EVGA is my personal favorite, lifetime guarantee, no matter what |
| 15:49.20 | asmodai | Oh crap, XFX only has one, nevermind. |
| 15:49.23 | asmodai | EVGA seems to have a lot of choice |
| 15:49.29 | nevcairiel | http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001MW1LNU |
| 15:49.31 | nevcairiel | i got that one |
| 15:49.38 | KriLL3 | died from overclocking? no problem, ran over it with a truck? no problem. |
| 15:49.47 | asmodai | KriLL3: You have one? |
| 15:49.49 | KriLL3 | they take it back and send you a new one |
| 15:49.50 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 15:50.03 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I never heard of Zotac before though. |
| 15:50.16 | nevcairiel | i read some tests and they seemed decent |
| 15:50.24 | nevcairiel | while keeping to a low price |
| 15:50.26 | Stanzilla | I have a zotac card..i think |
| 15:50.39 | nevcairiel | they also have a "AMP" model which comes OCed |
| 15:50.56 | asmodai | I guess the most expensive component of my computer is still CPU and GPU. XD |
| 15:50.59 | asmodai | And that's quite ok |
| 15:51.19 | nevcairiel | I used to buy ~400€ GPUs |
| 15:51.22 | nevcairiel | but that time is over |
| 15:51.29 | nevcairiel | 7900 GTX was one of those |
| 15:51.30 | Stanzilla | hm no, palit |
| 15:51.31 | asmodai | nevcairiel: nah, that's a bit too much |
| 15:51.42 | asmodai | nevcairiel: but EUR 270-280 is ok |
| 15:51.48 | nevcairiel | then get a 275 ;) |
| 15:51.58 | nevcairiel | the 260 rarely hit 200 |
| 15:52.02 | asmodai | Especially since I tend to keep them for a year or two. |
| 15:52.22 | nevcairiel | the 275 are all GT200b, no way you can get a wrong one ;) |
| 15:52.27 | asmodai | Ahh |
| 15:52.36 | asmodai | But then the question becomes GPU memory |
| 15:52.58 | nevcairiel | 896 should be enough, imho |
| 15:53.04 | asmodai | I run everything in 1920 x 1200 |
| 15:53.05 | nevcairiel | i believe they also have models with double that |
| 15:53.09 | nevcairiel | but who needs that |
| 15:53.12 | asmodai | yeah, 1792 |
| 15:53.30 | asmodai | Seems EUR 30 more for that |
| 15:53.37 | nevcairiel | only? |
| 15:53.40 | nevcairiel | then go for that imho :P |
| 15:54.21 | yoshimo | KS2, is there any "killshot" addon that sends it or something else you know of? |
| 15:54.24 | asmodai | http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX/EVGA/GTX275/-1077060/ vs http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX/EVGA/GTX275/-1077064/ |
| 15:54.33 | asmodai | Seems to be ~ EUR 40 for the doubling of memory |
| 15:55.10 | nevcairiel | i love dutch btw, it just seems like german where you just describe what you mean without inventing a word for it :P |
| 15:55.21 | asmodai | Hahahaha |
| 15:55.25 | asmodai | how so? :) |
| 15:56.04 | nevcairiel | Grafische kaarten .. we say "Grafikkarte" in one word |
| 15:56.09 | asmodai | ah yea |
| 15:56.16 | asmodai | some people even say 'graka'. |
| 15:56.28 | asmodai | I never could get used to that. |
| 15:56.31 | winkiller | we only write that |
| 15:56.41 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r25 BuffTheTree.lua: |
| 15:56.43 | Repo | You can now select which buffs to track in the "Buff settings" menu. |
| 15:58.00 | winkiller | nevcairiel: but a much better example is bromfiets |
| 15:58.25 | winkiller | because it's not like motorbike :P |
| 15:59.19 | asmodai | hehehe, snorfiets! |
| 15:59.32 | asmodai | I wonder how many people think 'moustache bike'. |
| 15:59.36 | winkiller | lol |
| 15:59.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:59.51 | asmodai | But yeah, the cards are the same, only double memory for EUR 40. |
| 16:01.00 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r26 / (2 files in 1 directory): AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets changed repo type AGAIN. |
| 16:01.02 | Repo | Sigh. |
| 16:01.10 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:01.14 | nevcairiel | no sigh'ing in commit messages! |
| 16:01.35 | Pneumatus | onoes, i think MiniType might die in 3.3 :< |
| 16:01.45 | nevcairiel | how is that? |
| 16:01.48 | nevcairiel | what did they change? |
| 16:01.54 | nevcairiel | tekticles still works |
| 16:02.08 | Pneumatus | not entirely sure, but i'm getting dogtag errors when i load with it :< |
| 16:02.23 | nevcairiel | maybe dogtag dies |
| 16:02.35 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03stolenlegacy * r700 .pkgmeta: |
| 16:02.37 | Repo | Was hoping for a more important reason for srf's r700 that yet another change of repository of AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets. |
| 16:02.38 | Pneumatus | no, dogtag is fine |
| 16:02.38 | Repo | Sigh. |
| 16:03.01 | stolenlegacy | Yssaril: have i already mentioned i don't like you? |
| 16:03.03 | stolenlegacy | :P |
| 16:03.12 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: just switch to tekticles :P |
| 16:03.18 | Pneumatus | trying that now :P |
| 16:03.32 | nevcairiel | it only has one font, dunno if minitype had more |
| 16:03.45 | nevcairiel | but its the font i use anyway |
| 16:03.47 | Pneumatus | i have my own mymedia with the fonts i use in anyway |
| 16:04.02 | asmodai | Mmm, so that EVGA SC series cards is overclocked? |
| 16:05.13 | Pneumatus | oh, tekticles hardcodes a single font? |
| 16:05.49 | asmodai | Ah yes, the SC series is overclocked |
| 16:06.00 | asmodai | Since it took the GPU from 633 to 648 MHz |
| 16:07.11 | nevcairiel | thats not much of an overclock |
| 16:07.18 | asmodai | Nope |
| 16:07.25 | asmodai | So I wonder why on earth |
| 16:07.43 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: yeah the calibri font that everyone wants anyway :D |
| 16:07.59 | asmodai | Calibri is popular now in WoW UIs? |
| 16:08.09 | nevcairiel | always has been |
| 16:08.12 | nevcairiel | but only the 0.9 version |
| 16:08.22 | nevcairiel | it was the first font that ClearFont1 came with |
| 16:08.25 | nevcairiel | back in the day |
| 16:08.39 | asmodai | So, if you have Win7 with a newer one? Why not use that? :) |
| 16:08.49 | nevcairiel | looks different, i suppose |
| 16:09.55 | nevcairiel | there have been 0.9 and 1.0 of calibri in some font addons for a while |
| 16:09.55 | asmodai | That would be odd, since I cannot remember it changing that much. |
| 16:09.55 | asmodai | Heh, isn't packaging Calibri like that against MS' license? |
| 16:09.55 | nevcairiel | 0.9 never saw the MS releases, i guess |
| 16:09.55 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 16:09.55 | nevcairiel | we had a big discussion on the forums about that |
| 16:09.57 | nevcairiel | people bitched and all |
| 16:10.06 | nevcairiel | PMed people to remove the font from addons |
| 16:10.07 | nevcairiel | annoying |
| 16:10.22 | asmodai | Well, it's the safer bet for ace and curse. |
| 16:10.39 | nevcairiel | people have been hosting it for 3 or 4 years now |
| 16:10.51 | nevcairiel | and curse didnt even care much |
| 16:10.57 | asmodai | Oh, it gets better, normal, SC, and SSC. |
| 16:10.58 | nevcairiel | just some user came along |
| 16:11.37 | asmodai | Mmm, funny that MS never complained. |
| 16:11.46 | asmodai | Maybe they're happy with the spread. |
| 16:12.05 | Belazor | is there an addon that lets you force which bank slots equipment sets are taken from/put in? |
| 16:12.09 | nevcairiel | its in their OS, their OS has a market share of over 90% on desktops |
| 16:12.13 | nevcairiel | everyone has it anyway |
| 16:12.30 | nevcairiel | well ok since vista, but still! |
| 16:15.43 | asmodai | Odd, here I find that normal is GPU @ 633 MHz, mem @ 2268 MHz, SC: GPU @ 648 MHz, mem @ 2376 MHz, FTW: 713 MHz, mem @ 2520 MHz |
| 16:16.11 | asmodai | They actually use FTW as a designator >_< |
| 16:16.18 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 16:16.46 | asmodai | I wonder why so many people are waiting for DX 11 cards. |
| 16:16.56 | quiescens | boycott! |
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| 16:17.02 | asmodai | 10/10.1 games aren't even that well spread. |
| 16:17.16 | Fisker | DirectX10 isn't the cancer killing games |
| 16:17.21 | asmodai | You are? |
| 16:17.57 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:18.00 | asmodai | But, pray tell, what is the cancer killing games? Aside from EA. |
| 16:18.15 | Pneumatus | steam |
| 16:18.20 | nevcairiel | asmodai: if you want to wait for new gfx, wait for fermi cards :) |
| 16:18.25 | winkiller | mhm, I'm setting my diploma thesis in calibri atm :P |
| 16:18.27 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Fermi? |
| 16:18.33 | *** part/#wowace Natch (n=natch@c-bacee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:18.33 | nevcairiel | new nvidia generation |
| 16:18.38 | winkiller | but I never used ClearFont, so don't blame it on wow |
| 16:18.42 | nevcairiel | supposedly ALOT faster |
| 16:18.52 | Fisker | Not out for quite some while though |
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| 16:19.00 | asmodai | nevcairiel: And supposedly as concrete as Duke Nukem Forever |
| 16:19.00 | Fisker | though obviously i would never buy ati anyways |
| 16:19.01 | Pneumatus | heh, our dissertations and thesis have to be submitted in Times New Roman |
| 16:19.04 | asmodai | nevcairiel: ;) |
| 16:19.06 | Belazor | asmodai: EA isn't the big bad anymore, Activision is. Bobby Kotick is apparently a flaming retard |
| 16:19.10 | nevcairiel | using massive multithreaded design |
| 16:19.10 | Pneumatus | due to people qqing that serif fonts are allegedly easier to read |
| 16:19.17 | nevcairiel | with ECC ram and big caches |
| 16:19.28 | asmodai | Pneumatus: GAH, Times New Roman should die as should Arial! |
| 16:19.31 | nevcairiel | the design whitepaper reads nice |
| 16:19.38 | asmodai | crawls back to the original designs |
| 16:19.47 | Fisker | Well to his defense he did get in bed with Vivendi Belazor |
| 16:19.50 | Pneumatus | arial always sucked, verdana was the pro sans-serif font before calibri came along |
| 16:19.57 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Which will be muchos Euros. |
| 16:20.04 | winkiller | Pneumatus: yes, usually. but I was told to go sans :P |
| 16:20.06 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I want a working card to replace my 8800 with :) |
| 16:20.12 | Fisker | Valve and Blizzard should team up |
| 16:20.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:20.15 | Fisker | that would be epic |
| 16:20.16 | asmodai | hugs his type design books. |
| 16:20.24 | winkiller | asmodai: no, times from latex looks perfectly fine |
| 16:20.54 | asmodai | winkiller: Depends on how LaTeX is configured, it can produce some god awful screen reading papers. :( |
| 16:21.13 | winkiller | the 40 I have here look mostly fine :P |
| 16:21.17 | Megalon | teams up Fisker and common sense |
| 16:21.19 | winkiller | apart from the scanned ones from the 70s |
| 16:21.25 | asmodai | winkiller: *nod* |
| 16:21.37 | asmodai | is just quite typesetting sensitive. |
| 16:21.51 | asmodai | I blame my dad working in the graphics/print industry for the majority of his life |
| 16:22.32 | Fisker | you ruined it Megalon |
| 16:22.32 | asmodai | When I browse computer books I really cannot buy the ones with plain awful type, layout or white/black ratio. |
| 16:22.45 | asmodai | Megalon: Is that as elusive as the Higgs-Boson? |
| 16:23.20 | airtonix | shouldn't elements of an exact opposit nature cause a time / space melt down? |
| 16:23.26 | Pneumatus | needs moar large hardon collider |
| 16:23.26 | airtonix | fisker + common sense? |
| 16:23.26 | asmodai | nevcairiel: But seriously, will be at least a year before any real DX 11 games might appear, no? Given how only the first cards are now appearing with support for it from ATI^H^H^HAMD? |
| 16:23.56 | nevcairiel | asmodai: yea i'm not wiating for dx11 |
| 16:24.07 | Megalon | airtonix: just like matter/antimatter |
| 16:24.23 | asmodai | http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey |
| 16:24.24 | asmodai | lets see |
| 16:24.40 | Megalon | evaporating into pure energy |
| 16:24.48 | asmodai | only 45% of Steam's users are DX 10 capable. |
| 16:25.02 | asmodai | Megalon: So can we harnass Fisker for energy production? |
| 16:25.11 | asmodai | Like we did with Thatcher and her sarcasm in the 80s? |
| 16:25.18 | airtonix | Seen the new kind of nuclear plant the chinese are making? |
| 16:25.26 | airtonix | can never melt down |
| 16:25.33 | asmodai | How so? |
| 16:25.44 | winkiller | eu armory working for anyone? |
| 16:25.47 | airtonix | to do with how the uranium is packaged |
| 16:26.08 | asmodai | winkiller: looks like it for me |
| 16:26.10 | winkiller | my pally is level 10, last on: 1.12 |
| 16:26.17 | winkiller | now is the 5th and I'm 22 :P |
| 16:26.22 | winkiller | same with my other pally |
| 16:26.38 | winkiller | rogue, Last Updated: December 1, 2009 |
| 16:26.53 | asmodai | winkiller: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Nadraniel my alt rogue seems to have gotten updated yesterday. |
| 16:27.04 | winkiller | envies |
| 16:27.26 | winkiller | boo for NE male though :Ü |
| 16:27.34 | Fisker | been broken for a week or so winkiller |
| 16:27.37 | asmodai | Strange |
| 16:27.39 | Fisker | though it seems to be random who's affected |
| 16:27.45 | *** join/#wowace Srosh (n=Srosh@c210239.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 16:27.47 | winkiller | boooo |
| 16:27.55 | asmodai | And my human female mage got updated after log out today it seems |
| 16:28.39 | winkiller | funny thing is, it displays the guild I only joined today |
| 16:28.49 | winkiller | but rest is 3d old |
| 16:28.52 | winkiller | hehe |
| 16:28.55 | asmodai | nevcairiel: 'sides, if some fantastic card gets made, maybe replace this one in a year or so and make someone happy with this one. Like my parents or so XD |
| 16:29.31 | asmodai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_11_support |
| 16:29.57 | winkiller | my parents don't even play solitaire |
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| 16:30.12 | asmodai | Well, that only confirms it that DX11 at the moment ain't interesting XD |
| 16:30.13 | winkiller | any PCI card that can do 1152 to the desktop will do :P |
| 16:30.46 | asmodai | Hehe, I doubt my parents would make good use of it. |
| 16:31.28 | winkiller | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_10_support isn't soo huge either |
| 16:31.50 | nevcairiel | maybe by christmas '10 i can get a nice fermi card |
| 16:32.04 | asmodai | nevcairiel: yeah, seems the 260/275 are good enough for now |
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| 16:33.28 | nevcairiel | i hope they dont plan to launch a new PCIe interface in the next 2 month and i'll be fucked with my PCIe 2.0 interface :P |
| 16:33.37 | asmodai | hahaha, not that I know of |
| 16:34.12 | asmodai | PCI-E 3.0 is for Q2 2010, maybe Q3 2010 |
| 16:34.17 | nevcairiel | my current board didnt even have PCIe 2.0 |
| 16:34.26 | nevcairiel | so i'll get some bonus for my new gfx from the new board |
| 16:34.36 | asmodai | As of August, 2009, the release of the final specifications has been delayed until Q2 2010 |
| 16:34.42 | Fisker | usually the new standards are set in stone a good time in advance |
| 16:35.07 | nevcairiel | so Q3 2010, that means no board until early 2011 |
| 16:35.54 | asmodai | Most likely |
| 16:37.04 | nevcairiel | new CPU means i need to recompile my gentoo though .. but i7 is supposed to be wicked fast compiling, so i'm looking forward to that :P |
| 16:37.23 | asmodai | Heh, same for my BSD, but ought to be ok. |
| 16:37.37 | asmodai | wonder how long make buildworld will take with this new system |
| 16:37.52 | nevcairiel | your BSD is all compiled too? |
| 16:37.56 | asmodai | Aye |
| 16:37.58 | asmodai | the entire OS |
| 16:38.01 | asmodai | kernel + userland |
| 16:38.08 | nevcairiel | I thought they work with binary packages |
| 16:38.16 | asmodai | Nowadays that's also an option. |
| 16:38.24 | asmodai | But the origin lies in compilation. |
| 16:38.32 | asmodai | Heck, Gentoo based portage on FreeBSD ports |
| 16:40.35 | nevcairiel | and bah i need to reinstall my windows too :P |
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| 16:40.51 | nevcairiel | it usually doesnt like replacing the motherboard |
| 16:41.50 | asmodai | Mmm, how does Windows activation work nowadays with reinstalling on completely new hardware? |
| 16:42.17 | asmodai | Do you have to deactivate first or so? |
| 16:42.27 | nevcairiel | gotta call that phone hotline |
| 16:42.47 | nevcairiel | its an automated line that just tells you the new activation number |
| 16:42.53 | nevcairiel | but they dont allow that over internet |
| 16:42.57 | nevcairiel | for some reason |
| 16:44.03 | asmodai | I need to read up on that. |
| 16:44.17 | asmodai | Thanks to uni I get Windows for EUR 18 XD |
| 16:44.25 | nevcairiel | I get it for free |
| 16:44.42 | asmodai | nice :) |
| 16:44.55 | nevcairiel | i suppose i could just use one of my other 10 keys and dont waste time with the phone thing |
| 16:45.10 | asmodai | The activation number is different from the product key I take it? |
| 16:45.14 | nevcairiel | "only" professional, but ultimate only has some useless features |
| 16:45.19 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 16:45.33 | asmodai | So you have to use that slkmgr or what is it, I guess? |
| 16:45.54 | nevcairiel | you'll get a ballon tip telling you wtf to do :D |
| 16:45.59 | asmodai | Ahh |
| 16:46.00 | asmodai | nice :D |
| 16:46.35 | asmodai | nevcairiel: EUR 269 for that 1792 MB GTX 275 card. |
| 16:46.38 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Not too bad. |
| 16:46.44 | nevcairiel | thats nice |
| 16:48.54 | airtonix | drug dealers giving free hits |
| 16:49.07 | airtonix | wee addicted customers |
| 16:49.11 | airtonix | profit |
| 16:49.43 | Fisker | does compiling even do anything significant anyways? |
| 16:49.51 | asmodai | airtonix: Actually, the amount of students using MacBooks has gone up quite a bit. |
| 16:50.01 | nevcairiel | airtonix: like software giving you a free trial :P |
| 16:50.17 | asmodai | Fisker: Sure. Just need to know wtf you're doing since not everything that looks like it might optimize will help. |
| 16:50.31 | nevcairiel | like -O3 is one of those cases :P |
| 16:50.40 | nevcairiel | hey higher optimize switch, must be good, right? right? |
| 16:50.41 | airtonix | i know a school that bought all imacs then put windows on them |
| 16:50.51 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Hehehe |
| 16:51.16 | asmodai | GCC isn't exactly known for its stability with higher -O switches at times though. At least not on non-x86 hardware |
| 16:51.19 | nevcairiel | I just run with -O2 -march=native now |
| 16:52.47 | asmodai | mmm, those GTX cards have notorious bad stocking issues |
| 16:52.55 | nevcairiel | stocking issues? |
| 16:53.15 | asmodai | Well, it all seems to be 'delivery date unknown' |
| 16:53.21 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 16:53.24 | nevcairiel | a friend of mien had that issue |
| 16:53.34 | Fisker | nvidia stopped production |
| 16:53.34 | nevcairiel | he got so pissed of he get an AMD instead |
| 16:53.41 | Fisker | so pretty much now it's just selling out stock |
| 16:53.44 | asmodai | Fisker: of 275? |
| 16:53.55 | Fisker | of everything not 40nm as far as i know |
| 16:54.10 | nevcairiel | the 260 seemed to be available everywhere *shrug* |
| 16:54.31 | asmodai | nevcairiel: 260 also has this issue it seems. |
| 16:54.42 | nevcairiel | well mine is on the road ;) |
| 16:54.46 | asmodai | same for 285 and 295 XD |
| 16:54.53 | asmodai | GTS and GT no such issues |
| 17:04.11 | Shadowed | Tickets having "what is expected output" as a template for errors is always amusing for some reason |
| 17:04.22 | Shadowed | because it always ends up being something like, "Raid frames broken. What do you expect to see? Raid frames working" |
| 17:10.47 | asmodai | Mmm, Seagate had some recent hard disk troubles, did they not? |
| 17:10.49 | quiescens | maybe the raid frames are broken |
| 17:10.55 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: very descriptive |
| 17:11.15 | Shadowed | That's not an actual report, just how the expected output field is filled out generally |
| 17:12.28 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i dunno, mine works fine |
| 17:12.51 | asmodai | So do mine, but I heard/read something about recent ones. Guess I need to double check. |
| 17:13.01 | nevcairiel | asmodai: got a 7200.12 1TB disc, no issues at all |
| 17:13.08 | asmodai | oh |
| 17:13.32 | nevcairiel | the .11 series had a firmware fail i believe |
| 17:13.37 | nevcairiel | you had to flash them |
| 17:14.24 | asmodai | Mmm, nothing I cannot overcome. |
| 17:14.57 | durcyn | the new firmware doesn't work either |
| 17:15.02 | asmodai | Oh |
| 17:15.09 | nevcairiel | Just dont get .11 drives :P |
| 17:15.11 | asmodai | So avoid the .11 series then? :D |
| 17:15.13 | durcyn | they're unusable in raid controllers, sometimes they don't explode in JBOD |
| 17:15.25 | asmodai | Hahaha, which is good :) |
| 17:15.30 | durcyn | but you're rolling the dice for click of death 2.0 |
| 17:15.34 | nevcairiel | A friend of mine runs a 4 drive raid5 out of .12 drives |
| 17:15.38 | nevcairiel | he didnt report issues either |
| 17:15.55 | durcyn | i had two 1.5tb .11s with the latest firmware blow up in raid1 even |
| 17:16.24 | nevcairiel | I once thought my .12 drive had issues, but turns out something reset my memory timings to some very weird values, which caused the instability |
| 17:16.32 | nevcairiel | fixed it and everythign went smooth |
| 17:17.42 | asmodai | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/04/core-values-whats-next-for-nvidia/ |
| 17:19.01 | nevcairiel | i so want that tesla card :P |
| 17:19.45 | nevcairiel | anyway from what i've seen so far, Fermi will kick AMDs ass in the gfx market |
| 17:20.03 | KriLL3 | "the company just quietly confirmed we won't see its next-generation GPU, Fermi, until Q1 2010" wtf? |
| 17:20.07 | Fisker | lol |
| 17:20.12 | Fisker | "I remember the day AMD announced it was going to acquire ATI. NVIDIA told me that its only competitor just threw in the towel. What a difference a few years can make." |
| 17:20.32 | KriLL3 | I really hope Q1 means jan-feb, not march |
| 17:20.33 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: not until? Q1 2010 isnt that far away |
| 17:20.40 | Fisker | The only reason AMD is going to survive in the short-term future is due to Intel's settlement money |
| 17:20.58 | Thrae | From talking with developers and doing some coding myself, CUDA is a PITA to code for, while Larabee is looking pretty sweet. |
| 17:21.02 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: well they've kinda hinted at it being out soon |
| 17:21.16 | KriLL3 | Thrae: Larabee is canceled |
| 17:21.20 | asmodai | Thrae: Yet Larabee got postponed again (maybe even indefinitely). |
| 17:21.21 | Fisker | Larrabee just got canned |
| 17:21.25 | nevcairiel | Thrae: did you see the newer versions of the CUDA SDK? they fixed quite alot of the stupid APIs |
| 17:21.26 | Fisker | fffffuuuu- KriLL3 |
| 17:21.36 | KriLL3 | I really like CUDA, powerful |
| 17:21.42 | asmodai | And OpenGL 3.x is shaping up wonderfully as well. |
| 17:21.46 | KriLL3 | though yeah I bet it might be hard to use, since, it's so paralell |
| 17:22.00 | nevcairiel | its designed for parallel :9 |
| 17:22.06 | nevcairiel | the whole hardware is |
| 17:22.11 | Thrae | asmodai: CUDA can use OpenGL, too |
| 17:22.13 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 17:22.23 | nevcairiel | Wonder how OpenCL will turn out |
| 17:22.27 | nevcairiel | if it finds acceptance |
| 17:22.28 | KriLL3 | but most software devs aren't used to that |
| 17:22.37 | KriLL3 | they prefer a very linear approach |
| 17:23.08 | nevcairiel | Anyway, AMD has nothing announced even close to Fermis potential, unless i missed that, so we'll see. |
| 17:23.26 | asmodai | nevcairiel: It's gaining traction actually. |
| 17:23.31 | asmodai | OpenCL that is |
| 17:23.36 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I think AMD went for quick release this time, they released their new cards way too early, they can't make enough yet to meet demand |
| 17:23.49 | KriLL3 | the 5870 isn't in any store I know of yet |
| 17:24.14 | asmodai | Most of the HD5xxx cards have tough delivery times at the moment. |
| 17:24.20 | nevcairiel | I've been reading on the CoreAVC forums, and they say OpenCL doesnt allow enough access to the card itself, so they stick to pure CUDA |
| 17:24.22 | KriLL3 | in their haste to beat Nvidia to DX11 they released their cards before they had enough plants running |
| 17:24.27 | Thrae | KriLL3: Or maybe they gave up on supplying brick & mortar stores before online stores. |
| 17:24.39 | KriLL3 | Thrae: same for online stores |
| 17:24.58 | KriLL3 | they've been pushing up their expected shipment dates since release |
| 17:25.00 | nevcairiel | Maybe its a special case for video decoding, though |
| 17:25.01 | asmodai | nevcairiel: btw, different term for graphical card: videoplank ;) |
| 17:25.07 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:25.22 | KriLL3 | asmodai: the way the new gen of coolers look.. fitting |
| 17:25.33 | KriLL3 | videoslab might be even more appropriate |
| 17:25.39 | asmodai | hahaha |
| 17:25.41 | Thrae | But yeah, the newest DirectX11 cards basically have a lot of raw horsepower without much innovation. Just capitalizing on Moore's Law. |
| 17:26.01 | nevcairiel | thats were Fermi comes in, a new design |
| 17:26.11 | Thrae | If Fermi turns out to be as great as it sounds, ATI is going to have a serious problem. |
| 17:26.25 | KriLL3 | main think I like about DX11 is that a lot of features and effects are baseline, that's what you start with, they're not added overhead |
| 17:26.34 | KriLL3 | *thing |
| 17:26.48 | KriLL3 | AMD is already making 2x cored cards of their latest cores, tells you something |
| 17:27.17 | nevcairiel | a typical gfx card already has hundreds of cores, tbh :P |
| 17:28.01 | Thrae | KriLL3: In fact, a lot of DirectX11 new features have software equivilents, so even a non-DX11 card can benefit from going through the DX11 API. |
| 17:28.01 | KriLL3 | I mean 2x dyes |
| 17:28.22 | Thrae | KriLL3: A lot of their old algorithms were tightened too. |
| 17:28.23 | nevcairiel | Was DX Compute a 11 feature? |
| 17:28.34 | KriLL3 | Thrae: yeah the software component of DX11 is nice, since it makes sure DX11 code works even on older systems, no need to do DX9/10/11 versions of games |
| 17:28.37 | asmodai | Heh, actually ATI and NVIDIA were both a bit meh |
| 17:28.40 | Fisker | why would they make cards with 2 kinds of dye on it? |
| 17:28.41 | Fisker | hoho |
| 17:29.06 | Thrae | KriLL3: It's also what OpenGL has been doing for a long while :D |
| 17:29.10 | asmodai | I went to a job interview a few years ago where this company, now part of ARM, was designing GPUs from the ground up with AA and AF in mind. |
| 17:29.12 | KriLL3 | the multiple DX versions of games was a nightmare |
| 17:29.15 | nevcairiel | ah yeah Compute is a DX11 feature |
| 17:29.32 | nevcairiel | but can run on DX10 cards |
| 17:29.40 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 17:29.51 | KriLL3 | though in what amounts to emulation |
| 17:30.08 | KriLL3 | but it's not slow, just not as fast as a native card |
| 17:30.21 | nevcairiel | If it internally just uses CUDA and whatever AMD calls theirs |
| 17:30.35 | KriLL3 | no I think it's their own tech |
| 17:30.48 | KriLL3 | though uses the same principles |
| 17:30.50 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Yeah, it's partly an abstraction layer like CUDA and OpenCL |
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| 17:32.32 | KriLL3 | kinda stupid of Nvidia to not license PhysX, it will never be a standard if game devs from the get go know that half the customer-base don't use it |
| 17:32.48 | KriLL3 | and with DX11 I'm guessing PhysX will be replaced by something that works on both cards |
| 17:33.03 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: thought about adding ButtonFace support to the icons in Afflicted? |
| 17:33.07 | Shadowed | god no |
| 17:33.08 | Thrae | Nah, all the fun stuff is *after* Christmas. Fermi, Sandy Bridge, etc. |
| 17:33.09 | Stanzilla | Facade |
| 17:33.11 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 17:33.16 | Shadowed | ButtonFacade is evil |
| 17:33.30 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: Vaporfermi? |
| 17:33.32 | KriLL3 | I've heard it eat babies |
| 17:33.48 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: ping |
| 17:33.54 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: It's not vaporware, unlike Larabee appears to be |
| 17:34.10 | Gnarfoz | that's why they had the initial presentation with a fake card! |
| 17:34.32 | Gnarfoz | ~seen antiarc |
| 17:34.35 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (5h 35m 9s) #wowace (5h 35m 9s) #curseforge (5h 35m 9s), last said: 'That's actually pretty horrifyingly awesome'. |
| 17:34.38 | nevcairiel | it just wasnt ready for their stupid expo |
| 17:34.48 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: If you've ever read Dilbert, it's not uncommon to get requests for demos before a prototype is ready ;) |
| 17:35.06 | Gnarfoz | I recall Windows faced the same dilemma, once. :D |
| 17:35.29 | nevcairiel | I still love how windows blue screened on their presentation |
| 17:35.31 | Thrae | Yeah, except they actually released the prototype and called it "Vista". |
| 17:35.47 | nevcairiel | was it 95? or 98? |
| 17:35.49 | Gnarfoz | no, this was in the Windows 1.x days |
| 17:36.12 | Gnarfoz | and nevcairiel, it was 98 afair |
| 17:36.29 | Gnarfoz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgriTO8UHvs |
| 17:36.41 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 17:36.53 | nevcairiel | so awesome |
| 17:37.14 | Gagorian | Pfft.. I just noticed I have a 750gb 7200.11, totally oblivious to the firmware issues until you pointed it out |
| 17:37.29 | asmodai | Gagorian: does it click? ;) |
| 17:37.45 | Gagorian | No problems so far, used it a bit over a year now |
| 17:37.53 | asmodai | Stay kind to it ;) |
| 17:38.31 | nevcairiel | I kinda want my hands on the new hardware right now |
| 17:38.32 | Gagorian | Well according to what I checked this unit does need a firmware update.. I wonder if I can do that without losing all the data |
| 17:38.36 | nevcairiel | I'm impatient like that :( |
| 17:38.44 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I know what you mean |
| 17:39.51 | asmodai | nevcairiel: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15919/1/ |
| 17:39.53 | Gnarfoz | mehhh |
| 17:40.06 | nevcairiel | i even look forward to completly disassembe my comp to replace the motherboard |
| 17:40.18 | nevcairiel | s/be/ble/ |
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| 17:40.56 | asmodai | nevcairiel: If that's so it seems like fermi might be the only way to go :S |
| 17:40.58 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i didnt notice a shortage when i orderd the 260 |
| 17:41.08 | asmodai | Yeah, it's weird. |
| 17:41.40 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-22-gb982336 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 17:41.42 | Repo | b982336: Fixed XP bar on line 90 and 99 when it was enabled for the pet |
| 17:41.43 | Repo | 849dbe6: Player's right click menu will show up even while the player is inside a vehicle |
| 17:41.45 | Repo | 4365ffd: Switched back to pulling SharedMediaWidgets from SVN |
| 17:41.53 | Gnarfoz | huh o_O |
| 17:41.55 | Shadowed | ~lart Yssaril |
| 17:41.55 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Yssaril's direction, hitting Yssaril and sending Yssaril flying into the closet |
| 17:42.00 | asmodai | hahaha |
| 17:42.00 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: did he switch back? |
| 17:42.02 | Shadowed | yea |
| 17:42.06 | Gnarfoz | fucker |
| 17:42.07 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 17:42.09 | nevcairiel | the whiners got to him |
| 17:43.17 | Gnarfoz | so, how do I best force a repackage? |
| 17:43.29 | nevcairiel | why would you? |
| 17:43.40 | Shadowed | Yea you don't need to |
| 17:44.22 | Gnarfoz | I don't? Is there another way to pull in up-to-date libs? |
| 17:44.36 | Shadowed | There isn't, but you don't need to pull in the up-to-date libs, do you? :p |
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| 17:45.05 | Gnarfoz | hm? I'm not talking about AceGUI-3.0-SMW, if that's what you're thinking |
| 17:45.37 | Shadowed | I'm talking about in general |
| 17:45.47 | Shadowed | shouldn't need to force it to pull the latest libraries unless you got a bug in one |
| 17:49.13 | asmodai | KriLL3 / nevcairiel : http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16342/1/ |
| 17:49.42 | nevcairiel | the latest driver already have support for some 300 series cards |
| 17:49.48 | nevcairiel | so it might be true that they ship in jan already |
| 17:49.55 | asmodai | Mmm, I wonder what the price will be. |
| 17:50.35 | asmodai | hahah: |
| 17:50.36 | asmodai | New Fermi-based Tesla products deliver the performance of a CPU-based cluster ... The Tesla C2050 and C2070 products will retail for $2499 and $3999 |
| 17:51.51 | nevcairiel | Tesla are specialised HPC cards |
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| 17:51.54 | nevcairiel | not GFX cards |
| 17:51.55 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: it's a data lib, it's been updated. pulling it into the addon would enhance the addon (yes, one could argue that's a reason to not have data libs, but it's not my addon) |
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| 17:52.13 | Repo | 10magic-dkp_client: 03gnarfoz * r64 / (2 files in 1 directory): revert r63, that external repo is SVN again, apparently. |
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| 17:53.31 | asmodai | btw, anyone who likes Farscape and/or Serenity/Firefly? |
| 17:53.33 | Gnarfoz | so, in that case... how do I best do it? git seems to ignore files that have merely been 'touch'ed, i.e. timestamp changed |
| 17:54.09 | Gagorian | Well updating the barracuda 7200.11 hd firmware, if I don't return in 5 mins... |
| 17:54.26 | asmodai | Gagorian: :) |
| 17:54.31 | Gagorian | Then a seagate hard drive will be 5 floors lower in a few minutes |
| 17:54.50 | asmodai | Owww, Python 2.7a1 is being cut -- seems 2.7 is coming 'soon'. |
| 17:55.31 | Gnarfoz | yay, the TOC# is outdated anyway! |
| 17:56.07 | nevcairiel | asmodai: i like both, what about it? |
| 17:56.14 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Saw the Slingers reel? |
| 17:56.20 | nevcairiel | no? |
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| 17:56.46 | asmodai | nevcairiel: http://www.steve-barron.com/slingers.htm [QuickTime] |
| 17:56.53 | Repo | 10internal-cooldowns: 03gnarfoz 07master * 81780ef InternalCooldowns.toc: [+1 commit] ninja-bump TOC#, more of a fake commit to pull in the latest LibICD, really. |
| 17:57.25 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I found it a great teaser for a series that might come in 2010 |
| 17:57.34 | nevcairiel | might come :( |
| 17:57.39 | Gnarfoz | I really have to wonder why it is that shows that only had half a season or something, like Firefly, don't get picked up again, at a later date |
| 17:57.50 | asmodai | nevcairiel: hehehe, well, I think it will go on |
| 17:57.54 | Gnarfoz | so far, the only show I've seen "picked up again" is Futurama |
| 17:58.11 | nevcairiel | when is the new season of that coming anyway |
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| 17:59.39 | nevcairiel | asmodai: but you're right, it looks good |
| 18:00.00 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Yeah, basically the guy is not making much humpapa about it so not to jinx it |
| 18:00.12 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I love that pistol/gun snippet btw "Click." |
| 18:00.18 | nevcairiel | heh ye |
| 18:00.26 | Gagorian | Well, seems to be okay! |
| 18:01.31 | asmodai | nevcairiel: http://www.sizemore.co.uk/2009/07/30/one-heist-at-a-time/ |
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| 18:01.38 | asmodai | nevcairiel: some photos and story background |
| 18:01.45 | asmodai | nevcairiel: which is even more interesting |
| 18:02.39 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r885 AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-Window.lua: |
| 18:02.41 | Repo | AceGUI-3.0: Added an API to the Window container to disable the user-resizing of the same. (Ticket #80) |
| 18:04.34 | nevcairiel | another ticket closed, yay :P |
| 18:05.51 | Megalon | opens another one |
| 18:06.29 | asmodai | rofl |
| 18:10.38 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r886 AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-TreeGroup.lua: |
| 18:10.40 | Repo | AceGUI-3.0: TreeGroup: Allow iconCoords to be passed for the tree elements. (Ticket #59) |
| 18:11.20 | nevcairiel | another one done |
| 18:11.25 | nevcairiel | the others require more work :( |
| 18:11.26 | asmodai | rofl |
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| 18:12.50 | nevcairiel | at least two of those i want to fix before another release |
| 18:13.37 | nevcairiel | hm and a third one would be nice too |
| 18:13.43 | asmodai | *grin* |
| 18:14.08 | nevcairiel | why did someone notice that mikk was lazy? now we have to fix it :( |
| 18:14.36 | Mikk | aye |
| 18:14.38 | Mikk | bastards |
| 18:15.05 | stolenlegacy | lol nice quit message |
| 18:15.41 | nevcairiel | anyway pizza first |
| 18:19.04 | asmodai | Wonderful, watch Fringe while eating, bad choice |
| 18:19.39 | nevcairiel | i dont like fringe, its too weird |
| 18:20.03 | asmodai | hahaha |
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| 18:20.41 | Stanzilla | I watched SAW6 after dinner yesterday, bad idea |
| 18:21.36 | asmodai | Stanzilla: even more gore-y? |
| 18:21.50 | asmodai | SAW only became about gore :( |
| 18:21.56 | Stanzilla | the first trap is like..eww |
| 18:21.59 | Stanzilla | the others are ok |
| 18:22.13 | Mikk | asmodai: pilot episode of Fringe with pizza = uberwin |
| 18:22.44 | winkiller | I still haven't seen a single saw movie or grasped the plot |
| 18:23.19 | KriLL3 | plot? |
| 18:23.28 | asmodai | Mikk: hahaha |
| 18:23.42 | Stanzilla | first trap is about getting a scale to "your" side |
| 18:23.45 | KriLL3 | demon inside random machine kills people stupid enough to put in limbs in it |
| 18:23.46 | Stanzilla | with..your own meat |
| 18:24.14 | Stanzilla | and there is this fat guy that keeps cutting big pieces of his belly out |
| 18:24.21 | Stanzilla | and I ate schnitzel :( |
| 18:24.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:24.32 | nevcairiel | i can eat through anything |
| 18:24.38 | nevcairiel | but i still dont like gore movies |
| 18:25.13 | Stanzilla | you can eath through 2girls1cup? |
| 18:25.57 | KriLL3 | chocolate pudding |
| 18:26.01 | KriLL3 | mm |
| 18:26.07 | nevcairiel | i would turn it off disgusted and all, but that wouldnt stop my appetite |
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| 18:31.27 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: QA question: Why is the price gap thingy being applied on both cancel AND post? Maybe I misunderstand what it's supposed to accomplish, but I was under the impression that it's only for the "I undercut someone who's auction has now expired, let me undercut the next highest seller instead" situation, i.e. only necessary on cancel. |
| 18:32.31 | Shadowed | Price gap? |
| 18:33.30 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 18:33.37 | Shadowed | You mean the, if difference in second lowest auction is X% then cancel/ignore? |
| 18:33.51 | Gnarfoz | yes, you renamed that to "Maximum price gap", didn't you? ^^ |
| 18:34.10 | Shadowed | so I did |
| 18:34.19 | Shadowed | But yes, you did misunderstand |
| 18:35.03 | Shadowed | It's basically so if say, X posts at 50g then Y posts at 30g, you can set it to post it at 50g - undercut and not get killed by somebody who is posting it 20g cheaper |
| 18:35.27 | Gnarfoz | ahh |
| 18:35.31 | Gnarfoz | but I can't have it both ways, right? |
| 18:35.47 | Shadowed | But yea, you can use it in that way too you just can't set it to only apply on cancel |
| 18:35.51 | Gnarfoz | because I'm perfectly willing to undercut my whole price range |
| 18:36.29 | Shadowed | Yea it's not really for that mostly |
| 18:36.44 | Gnarfoz | I noticed a sharp drop in profits recently, and I guess defaulting to my fallback because there's not many sellers on my realm might be the cause |
| 18:37.08 | Gnarfoz | i.e. I'm posting for 50g instead of undercutting the guy who posts for 8g |
| 18:37.16 | Gnarfoz | because there's nobody else above the 8g guy |
| 18:37.39 | Gnarfoz | or... some other weird market situation, heh |
| 18:38.10 | Shadowed | Dunno I don't get that into the market, I just post until it goes below threshold then stop |
| 18:38.13 | Shadowed | and it works fine for me :> |
| 18:38.16 | stolenlegacy | quick q: if i do this: http://paste.wowace.com/1482/ the user should a) not be able to run any real code except printing and returning and b) should be able to access name, level and race directly |
| 18:38.17 | stolenlegacy | correct? |
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| 18:39.12 | Gnarfoz | time to force some suckers from the AH, then. *lowers threshold to 50s* |
| 18:39.38 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: you can always get out of a setfenv |
| 18:39.47 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: how? |
| 18:39.57 | nevcairiel | through another setfenv :D |
| 18:40.09 | stolenlegacy | the user can't call setfenv if it isn't in his environment, though |
| 18:40.14 | stolenlegacy | which it shouldn't be in the above |
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| 18:40.59 | Shadowed | What do you need to lock down anyway through an addon, curious |
| 18:41.33 | stolenlegacy | Shadowed: interesting question |
| 18:41.41 | stolenlegacy | i am just practicing a bit :P |
| 18:41.45 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 18:42.13 | stolenlegacy | but since the reference setfenv is a global and not accessible by the user above, he shouldn't be able to get out |
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| 18:52.44 | nevcairiel | man that pizza was good |
| 18:52.45 | nevcairiel | now |
| 18:52.49 | nevcairiel | beer o'clock, isnt it |
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| 18:53.03 | asmodai | It always is. |
| 18:56.44 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone here ? |
| 18:56.51 | KriLL3 | nope |
| 18:57.20 | YammYgirlcoding | how is the faster way to level a recruit ? I have 1 lv 80 and 1 lv 10 on the veteran acc. and have 1 lv 10 recruit, that can grant levels. |
| 18:57.44 | YammYgirlcoding | goal is level the veteran alt. |
| 18:58.23 | asmodai | For all the people with cats: http://www.youtube.com/user/simonscat |
| 18:58.40 | nevcairiel | simonscat is so awesome |
| 18:58.53 | asmodai | nevcairiel: yeah, and *so* recognizable |
| 18:59.24 | asmodai | nevcairiel: btw, got a good link on the fermi, architecture wise? |
| 18:59.32 | nevcairiel | let me see |
| 18:59.36 | nevcairiel | there was a video and a pdf |
| 18:59.38 | nevcairiel | on nvidias page |
| 18:59.41 | nevcairiel | looks |
| 18:59.42 | asmodai | oh |
| 19:03.09 | nevcairiel | http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_architecture.html |
| 19:03.26 | asmodai | cool beans, let me see |
| 19:04.02 | asmodai | nevcairiel: but all things of Fermi I find emphasize the supercomputing aspect. |
| 19:04.15 | nevcairiel | they do |
| 19:04.22 | nevcairiel | but its the same type of calculations done in gfx |
| 19:04.27 | asmodai | Ah ok. |
| 19:04.46 | asmodai | So the architecture can easily be used for both consumer stuff as well as supercomputing. |
| 19:04.49 | nevcairiel | raytracing gfx made possible :P |
| 19:04.57 | nevcairiel | you've seen the tesla cards |
| 19:05.02 | nevcairiel | that purely High Performance Computing |
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| 19:05.22 | asmodai | Right. |
| 19:05.30 | asmodai | Will they do ECC on the consumer cards though? |
| 19:05.54 | asmodai | I doubt it since it would increase cost. |
| 19:06.06 | nevcairiel | maybe not |
| 19:06.11 | asmodai | And a minor databit screwed over is not an issue for textures and the likes. |
| 19:06.21 | mitchnull | lua> t = "lala"; print(t:sub(2)); |
| 19:06.21 | lua_bot | mitchnull: ala |
| 19:06.41 | mitchnull | lua> t = "lala"; print(t:sub(t:length() - 2)); |
| 19:06.41 | lua_bot | mitchnull: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'length' (a nil value) |
| 19:06.53 | nevcairiel | its #t :P |
| 19:07.05 | mitchnull | lua> t = "lala"; print(t:sub(t:len() - 2)); |
| 19:07.06 | lua_bot | mitchnull: ala |
| 19:07.13 | mitchnull | :P |
| 19:08.11 | mitchnull | lua> t = "lala"; print(("la"):sub(t:len() )); |
| 19:08.12 | lua_bot | mitchnull: No output |
| 19:08.34 | mitchnull | lua> t = "lala"; print(t:sub(("la"):len() )); |
| 19:08.35 | lua_bot | mitchnull: ala |
| 19:09.14 | asmodai | nevcairiel: jeez, 1.5 GB memory for those consumer cards they anticipate |
| 19:10.14 | asmodai | heh, it's even worse wrt the date: According to Chinese newspaper Digitimes, NVIDIA's next-gen GPUs won't ship until the first quarter of fiscal 2011. That gives us a window of anytime between January 26th and April 26th, 2010. |
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| 19:12.12 | Fisker | old asmodai |
| 19:12.33 | asmodai | I'm sure it is. |
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| 19:13.35 | Fisker | TREMBLING GNOME |
| 19:14.04 | Fisker | oh it's trifling gnome apparently |
| 19:14.05 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:16.40 | Megalon | trifles Fisker |
| 19:17.00 | asmodai | yay |
| 19:17.04 | asmodai | Marginalize him too |
| 19:18.40 | robotusch | D: |
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| 19:23.09 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: Any chance of getting something like a disableDesc and support for tooltips on disabled widgets in 3.3 on AceConfig?! |
| 19:23.09 | Shadowed | or would that need a ticket or patch so you can be lazy |
| 19:23.14 | asmodai | Gagorian-: the hard disk still ok? |
| 19:23.35 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: well a ticket at least, but i don't really see it happening :P |
| 19:23.43 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed_ (n=Shadowed@c-67-164-81-21.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:23.57 | Shadowed_ | Wireless is useless, did you get previous message nevcairiel? |
| 19:24.02 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: well a ticket at least, but i don't really see it happening :P |
| 19:24.09 | Shadowed_ | Why's that? |
| 19:24.45 | nevcairiel | reluctance to bloat up the table format |
| 19:25.04 | nevcairiel | plus requiring to change *all* freaking widgets :P |
| 19:25.19 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 19:25.51 | Shadowed | Oh right I see |
| 19:26.08 | nevcairiel | they all just :Disable() when disabled |
| 19:26.08 | Shadowed | Each which would have to register a function to be called that they want OnEnter/OnLeave events when disabled |
| 19:26.13 | nevcairiel | so no mouse reactions |
| 19:26.36 | nevcairiel | would have to somehow change the widgets to still receive mouse events, but still be disabled otherwise |
| 19:26.37 | nevcairiel | a pain :) |
| 19:26.47 | Shadowed | Which means making each widget register for new stuff and yea, didn't realize that |
| 19:26.53 | Shadowed | Will try nonetheless even if it's mostly hopeless :p |
| 19:27.12 | Shadowed | Something to make the damn manual entry on sliders more visible would still be nice :< |
| 19:27.23 | nevcairiel | write a patch |
| 19:27.26 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:27.45 | nevcairiel | I have no ideas on the matter |
| 19:28.06 | nevcairiel | if people cant figure out that they can just click the number |
| 19:28.06 | Shadowed | Yea I'm not really sure what would make it more visible |
| 19:28.07 | nevcairiel | ohwell |
| 19:28.13 | Shadowed | It's really not obvious |
| 19:28.20 | Shadowed | it's a slightly darker background on a dark background |
| 19:28.31 | nevcairiel | does it even have a different background? |
| 19:28.43 | Shadowed | Yea, it has a different background but it's not obvious |
| 19:29.12 | Shadowed | It's probably not even a different color, just the background has 100% alpha and the AceGUI one is like ~90 |
| 19:29.22 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:29.46 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 19:30.51 | Fisker | Shadowed: well a ticket at least, but i don't really see it happening :P |
| 19:31.33 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel i found a well and i'm hiding there |
| 19:31.46 | nevcairiel | shouldnt trolls get bridges? |
| 19:32.06 | Fisker | well if you were looking for a troll wouldn't that be your first location to search? |
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| 19:35.28 | asmodai | And red herrings. |
| 19:36.02 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I don't get it, why would Intel only release a Larrabee SDK at this point? |
| 19:37.19 | nevcairiel | instead of what? |
| 19:37.26 | asmodai | A GPU to use? :D |
| 19:37.28 | nevcairiel | they dumped the larrabee first-gen development |
| 19:37.34 | nevcairiel | it apparently failed, somehow |
| 19:37.48 | asmodai | Which isn't really inspiring to use a SDK from them from that project? :) |
| 19:38.09 | nevcairiel | The SDK was probably out before they dumped it |
| 19:38.19 | airtonix | better to acknowledge the failures and move on from them |
| 19:38.21 | robotusch | considers sending his love down the well, but decides against it and dump the trash instead |
| 19:39.09 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: worse than the non-obviousness is the forced rounding, IMHO |
| 19:39.22 | Gnarfoz | or is that something addons can control |
| 19:39.26 | nevcairiel | addons control that |
| 19:39.47 | Gnarfoz | glares at Shadowed |
| 19:39.52 | nevcairiel | if you set a step of 1, you'll only get values divisible by one |
| 19:40.06 | nevcairiel | so, no floats |
| 19:40.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, this slider I'm annoyed by has a step of 5 |
| 19:40.39 | nevcairiel | think about a "number of lines" slider, doesnt make sense to allow full control there |
| 19:40.47 | Gnarfoz | is it really sensible to have the manual input + the slider linked, though? |
| 19:40.52 | nevcairiel | if you want a slider step and still allow control, dont set step, only set bigStep |
| 19:41.12 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yes, if you set step, you are guarnteed to only get values that fit it |
| 19:41.25 | nevcairiel | so you dont have to validate |
| 19:41.33 | Gnarfoz | well, yes, I can see how it's a method to protect against invalid input |
| 19:41.43 | nevcairiel | if you only set bigStep, its supposed to only affect the slider, but not validate manual input |
| 19:41.52 | nevcairiel | wonders if that works |
| 19:41.53 | Gnarfoz | (even though I could manually edit SV, >:) |
| 19:42.09 | Gnarfoz | aha, that sounds neat *tries and patches local copy of QuickAuctions* |
| 19:42.42 | nevcairiel | step is the "smallest possible step for the addon to work" or so it was documented once |
| 19:42.43 | Gnarfoz | blergh, I hate "just recently installed" OS's where not everything is back to how I'm used to having stuff |
| 19:42.48 | nevcairiel | bigStep is a hint for UIs to use |
| 19:43.31 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2661/4160332301_1742d61856_o.png something like that would make it a little more visible |
| 19:43.51 | nevcairiel | dont just photoshop it, patch me :P |
| 19:43.57 | Shadowed | That's not a photoshop :p |
| 19:44.09 | Shadowed | second I'll generate a diff |
| 19:44.48 | Gnarfoz | should probably react to mouseover, to make it stand out that it's interactive :D |
| 19:45.10 | nevcairiel | you'll already get the text-edit cursor |
| 19:45.12 | nevcairiel | isnt that enough? |
| 19:45.17 | Shadowed | Only if you double click on it |
| 19:45.17 | Gnarfoz | oh, right |
| 19:45.22 | Shadowed | Well click |
| 19:45.36 | Shadowed | but yea, the border is mostly to try and tell users "Hey, this isn't just a number, click me!" |
| 19:45.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah, was going to say that |
| 19:46.04 | Shadowed | I mean, I suppose it could also lighten up slightly when they mouse over |
| 19:46.16 | Gnarfoz | not sure if a static border has enough of an effect |
| 19:46.35 | Gnarfoz | because I can clearly see the background color difference on my screen, can't imagine that's something people would overlook simply because it's not obvious enough |
| 19:46.49 | nevcairiel | i didnt really see the background difference |
| 19:46.50 | asmodai | NVIDIA's stock rose after the Larrabee cancellation XD |
| 19:46.57 | nevcairiel | maybe my gamma is too low in game :P |
| 19:47.11 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: wait for a Fermi delay announcement for AMD's stock to rise, I guess? :D |
| 19:47.11 | Shadowed | Yea, that's what the border is for |
| 19:47.20 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: probably |
| 19:47.32 | Shadowed | That background should be more visible in-game thought |
| 19:47.42 | nevcairiel | the whole GPU market is kidna weird atm anyway, the latest AMD board isnt really available either |
| 19:47.49 | nevcairiel | you're kinda helpless right now |
| 19:47.51 | Gnarfoz | keep in mind Shadowed, a bright border will make the bg color difference even less noticable |
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| 19:48.05 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r106 / (3 files in 3 directories): add option to select statusbar textures as background |
| 19:48.10 | Shadowed | That too, but it literally is a more visible background :p |
| 19:48.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, that sucks. I wanted to get one for christmas, but they're simply not in stock ANYWHERE |
| 19:48.22 | Shadowed | the previous on was 30% alpha, this is 50% |
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| 19:50.34 | Repo | 10lib-st: 03ddumont * r123 Core.lua: Testing support for a minimal dataset |
| 19:50.36 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r107 Bazooka.toc: version bump |
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| 19:52.01 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: heh |
| 19:52.05 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: i hope not |
| 19:52.08 | stolenlegacy | hmm |
| 19:52.30 | stolenlegacy | according to http://www.lua.org/pil/5.2.html, calling a function(...) results in all arguments saved to the table "arg" |
| 19:52.34 | stolenlegacy | this doesn't seem to be the case |
| 19:52.36 | stolenlegacy | any hints? |
| 19:53.17 | asmodai | An obvious one: WoW uses 5.2 nowadays? |
| 19:53.17 | nevcairiel | thats because you read the 5.0 PIL |
| 19:53.23 | nevcairiel | 5.1 actually |
| 19:53.24 | nevcairiel | but yea |
| 19:53.28 | stolenlegacy | ah |
| 19:53.31 | stolenlegacy | how does it work in 5.1? |
| 19:53.39 | nevcairiel | look for select |
| 19:54.19 | stolenlegacy | the 5.1 pil doesn't appear to be free, actually |
| 19:54.56 | stolenlegacy | ah, so simply (select(index, ...))? |
| 19:56.25 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic-2 (experimental): 03Silmano 04a01 * a3b3ae3 /: [new tag] |
| 19:56.27 | Repo | - Initial release |
| 19:56.50 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 04v1.7.0 * r108 : Tagging as v1.7.0 |
| 19:56.52 | Repo | - add option to select statusbar textures as background |
| 20:01.39 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic-2 (experimental): 03Silmano 04a2 * 0c381c1 /: [new tag, +1 commits] a02 |
| 20:02.37 | Shadowed | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/98-more-visible-slider-entry/ there :p |
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| 20:03.27 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz ^ is slightly intractable too |
| 20:05.15 | asmodai | gnarfoz is slightly intractable? |
| 20:06.03 | Shadowed | yes |
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| 20:06.09 | Gnarfoz | I'm quite retractable. |
| 20:06.18 | asmodai | Refractable? |
| 20:06.33 | Gnarfoz | you want to mirror me?! |
| 20:06.53 | asmodai | Got a good side? |
| 20:07.05 | Gnarfoz | just good sites |
| 20:07.14 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: Do you now offhand where I would look to fix that annoying bug where when you check an option the scrollbar jumps to the top in some screen resolutions for Ace? |
| 20:07.17 | asmodai | I'll use archive.org to mirror that |
| 20:07.20 | Shadowed | I assume it's AceConfig, but maybe it's AceGUI |
| 20:09.08 | Gagorian- | asmodai: Yes :p |
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| 20:10.43 | asmodai | I wonder how many people play WoW with some enka playing on the background XD |
| 20:15.55 | steev | when I pvp I play Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" |
| 20:16.04 | asmodai | Hahaha |
| 20:16.09 | asmodai | Such a contrast |
| 20:16.22 | steev | ;) |
| 20:16.27 | asmodai | I'm sure the ones under your blade do not agree |
| 20:16.30 | steev | wtf ubuntu |
| 20:16.46 | steev | why the hell do you want to pull in wireshark as a dependency for installing kismet |
| 20:18.13 | nevcairiel | its probably just some silly KDE UI over wireshark |
| 20:19.05 | nevcairiel | (starts with a k, kde app, before anyone wonders :P) |
| 20:19.47 | airtonix | guess what neercs is |
| 20:20.03 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: that bug was fixed a while ago |
| 20:20.20 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: No it wasn't :P |
| 20:20.33 | nevcairiel | sure it was, i could reproduce it, and afterwards i couldnt anymore |
| 20:20.37 | Shadowed | Well |
| 20:20.43 | Shadowed | I'm using the latest Ace3 as of 20 minutes ago, and it's definitely the latest cause my slider change is being shown |
| 20:20.53 | Shadowed | I can scroll down, click a checkbox in SUF and it scrolls all the way up |
| 20:21.07 | nevcairiel | maybe you have some old version hanging around that taints your widget pool |
| 20:21.13 | nevcairiel | oh wait i fixed that, that shouldnt happen anymore |
| 20:21.24 | Shadowed | I'll try with just SUF and Ace3, moment |
| 20:21.43 | nevcairiel | i added version checking into the AceGUI recycling |
| 20:22.12 | nevcairiel | maybe you somehow break the status table with your ugly hacks! |
| 20:22.14 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Someone confirmed the delivery problems of the GTX cards. |
| 20:23.02 | nevcairiel | asmodai: must be some shop that still has some |
| 20:23.12 | nevcairiel | i mean i got my 260 instantly |
| 20:23.15 | nevcairiel | without even looking |
| 20:23.17 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 20:23.47 | Shadowed | I like how the Blizzard error frame errors |
| 20:24.06 | nevcairiel | did they never fix that? |
| 20:24.14 | Shadowed | Nope! |
| 20:24.25 | airtonix | lulz |
| 20:24.58 | airtonix | at least blizzard has customer service |
| 20:25.15 | airtonix | and at least they went to the trouble to create an interface api |
| 20:25.28 | Shadowed | I commented out every AceGUI-3.0 hack SUF had, only SUF and latest Ace3 libraries are running and it still happens |
| 20:25.33 | Shadowed | what now nevcairiel/ :P |
| 20:25.37 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r137 .pkgmeta: revert last commit |
| 20:25.47 | Shadowed | I can try and fix it if you tell me where it would be happening |
| 20:26.04 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r86 .pkgmeta: revert last commit |
| 20:26.05 | asmodai | Seriously, the link achievement idiocy is spreading like a bloody wildfire. |
| 20:27.00 | Belazor | asmodai: LF24M VoA, link Epic and achieves, must have 5k DPS while afk. Gear will be checked. |
| 20:27.03 | Shadowed | It only happens on this computer thought, it works fine on my main one so I assume it's a resolution issue |
| 20:27.12 | asmodai | Belazor: like that yes :( |
| 20:27.26 | asmodai | Belazor: ach's, achivs, or whatever fucked up spelling they use this time around. |
| 20:27.31 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v2-23-g4cc93ba ShadowedUnitFrames.toc: [+1 commit] Added OptionalDeps for disembedded libraries |
| 20:28.14 | Belazor | Every time someone posts like that, I say "LF39M Hogger, link Epic achievement, gear stats, birth certificate and WoW CD key" or something to that effect |
| 20:28.46 | asmodai | Bibi: small duplication of the shaman header in your post |
| 20:29.03 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: unless i can reproduce, you're on your own fixing it |
| 20:29.23 | nevcairiel | and the case i could reproduce, i fixed |
| 20:29.26 | asmodai | Bibi: Unless it's intentional due to the shaman mention in that piece as well. |
| 20:29.49 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: That's fine... but if you tell me the file that you applied the fix in, it would be easier :p |
| 20:29.58 | Shadowed | or at least if it's an AceGUI or AceConfig issue when you fixed it |
| 20:30.08 | nevcairiel | scrollframe widget |
| 20:30.11 | Shadowed | kk thanks |
| 20:31.49 | asmodai | heuh, wikipedia beta features |
| 20:31.56 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt make sense to be a resolution thing |
| 20:32.03 | Shadowed | shrugs |
| 20:32.06 | nevcairiel | how would that cause the scrollframe to lose its status |
| 20:32.11 | Shadowed | All I know is it happens on my macbook, but not on windows |
| 20:32.25 | nevcairiel | its a mac fail, then |
| 20:32.28 | nevcairiel | pinned it down |
| 20:32.40 | Shadowed | and the macbook is 1280x800 wide while windows is 1600x1200something |
| 20:32.42 | asmodai | Oh, pwetty |
| 20:33.20 | nevcairiel | tried changing the macbook to a non-wide and test? |
| 20:33.37 | Shadowed | I did not, that would be too smart |
| 20:33.55 | nevcairiel | you claim its a resolution issue, but didnt try to change the resolution? :P |
| 20:34.32 | Shadowed | Ahh it's a UIScale issue |
| 20:35.51 | Shadowed | UIScale of 100% and it has issues, if you disable it or reduce it to <99%ish it stops having the issue |
| 20:36.01 | nevcairiel | huh |
| 20:36.13 | nevcairiel | but uiscale 100% is the same as disabled |
| 20:36.17 | Shadowed | shrugs |
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| 20:39.33 | Shadowed | It's a bug in SetScroll and the viewheight > height check |
| 20:42.40 | nevcairiel | does it happen in all addons? |
| 20:43.41 | Shadowed | It happens in DRTracker, SUF and Afflicted at least |
| 20:44.02 | stolenlegacy | disabled UIscale isn't exactly 1.0 |
| 20:44.28 | Shadowed | It happens in SUF when the height is 200 and 525, the width in DRTracker/SUF/Afflicted is all different |
| 20:44.28 | stolenlegacy | question: http://paste.wowace.com/1483/ <- my code |
| 20:44.43 | Shadowed | Is there a question the scrollframe height would be 0? |
| 20:44.45 | stolenlegacy | when i remove "pairs" and "next" (e.g. just run it for "ipairs", it runs fine |
| 20:44.59 | stolenlegacy | if i run it for all three, it crashes |
| 20:45.10 | stolenlegacy | clarification: crashes wow |
| 20:45.23 | stolenlegacy | but when i run it in a normal lua interpreter (5.1), it doesn't give any problems at all |
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| 20:47.23 | stolenlegacy | anything? |
| 20:47.25 | nevcairiel | the ui probably trys to use it somewhere and you break it |
| 20:47.29 | stolenlegacy | yeah |
| 20:47.33 | stolenlegacy | i got that much, thanks :P |
| 20:47.38 | stolenlegacy | but i don't get how i break it |
| 20:47.52 | nevcairiel | for one you only pass the first argument over to the real func |
| 20:48.06 | stolenlegacy | nope |
| 20:48.09 | stolenlegacy | local arg = select(1, ...) |
| 20:48.09 | stolenlegacy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.26 | stolenlegacy | select(index, table) returns all values from index on |
| 20:48.30 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 20:48.38 | nevcairiel | arg is a single variable, holding a single value |
| 20:48.49 | nevcairiel | not a list of values |
| 20:48.57 | stolenlegacy | hmm |
| 20:49.01 | stolenlegacy | interesting |
| 20:49.08 | stolenlegacy | but when i ran the same code for ipairs() it worked |
| 20:49.18 | stolenlegacy | ahh |
| 20:49.19 | nevcairiel | because ipairs only ever uses one argument |
| 20:49.23 | stolenlegacy | right |
| 20:49.24 | nevcairiel | but next uses two |
| 20:49.50 | nevcairiel | or can use, rather :P |
| 20:49.57 | nevcairiel | its a endless loop if you dont supply the second |
| 20:49.58 | stolenlegacy | prolly does somewhere in the ui |
| 20:50.21 | nevcairiel | what was the crash? out of memory by any chance? :P |
| 20:50.44 | stolenlegacy | at ~60% of loading screen wow simply doesn't respond if i run it from the start |
| 20:50.53 | stolenlegacy | if i run it from slash cmd, it doesn't respond either |
| 20:50.54 | nevcairiel | then it deadlocked |
| 20:50.57 | stolenlegacy | so looks like endless loop,y a |
| 20:51.12 | stolenlegacy | http://paste.wowace.com/1484/ |
| 20:51.14 | stolenlegacy | this should work |
| 20:51.27 | nevcairiel | ew |
| 20:51.36 | nevcairiel | just do arg = {...} if you really want to |
| 20:51.40 | nevcairiel | but tabels are evil :( |
| 20:51.48 | stolenlegacy | but i need to modify it |
| 20:51.55 | stolenlegacy | and i haven't found a way to modify ... |
| 20:52.03 | nevcairiel | you cant :P |
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| 20:52.12 | stolenlegacy | see |
| 20:52.21 | stolenlegacy | but my loop _should_ work |
| 20:52.28 | nevcairiel | but the first argument is already a table |
| 20:52.35 | nevcairiel | when you modify it, it'll pass around |
| 20:52.55 | stolenlegacy | doesn't matter, it'll just take the table reference and save it |
| 20:53.02 | stolenlegacy | oh well, just gonna test it |
| 20:53.40 | stolenlegacy | i assume that pairs can take 2 values aswell? |
| 20:53.50 | nevcairiel | not that i know of |
| 20:53.53 | nevcairiel | !api pairs |
| 20:53.53 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'pairs' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-pairs |
| 20:53.59 | nevcairiel | but pairs uses next internally |
| 20:54.06 | stolenlegacy | ahhh |
| 20:54.09 | stolenlegacy | yeah |
| 20:54.32 | Shadowed | This scroll bar code is kind of odd nevcairiel :p |
| 20:54.38 | stolenlegacy | hmm |
| 20:54.41 | stolenlegacy | it doesn't crash it now |
| 20:54.43 | nevcairiel | lua> next=print; return pairs({1}) |
| 20:54.43 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: function: 0x8ad09e8, table: 0x8b12ee0, nil |
| 20:54.49 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 20:54.55 | stolenlegacy | but buggrabber keeps doing the fatality sound |
| 20:55.02 | stolenlegacy | but i can't access the error list |
| 20:55.08 | nevcairiel | lua> next=print; for k in pairs({1}) do end |
| 20:55.09 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: No output |
| 20:55.13 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 20:56.30 | stolenlegacy | hmm |
| 20:56.37 | stolenlegacy | slash commands are broken aswell |
| 20:56.42 | nevcairiel | if it errors in pairs and buggrabber uses pairs internally, you'll break everything :P |
| 20:56.59 | stolenlegacy | it shouldn't error in pairs anymore |
| 20:57.06 | stolenlegacy | i fixed the arguments issue |
| 20:57.15 | Shadowed | Basically nevcairiel, the scrollframe is returning 0 from GetHeight() when the scale is at 100%, which is what is causing the errors. |
| 20:57.24 | nevcairiel | but but but |
| 20:57.25 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 20:57.30 | Shadowed | I have no idea why |
| 20:57.55 | Shadowed | As far as I can tell, you never manually set the height of the scrollframe, it's all done through how it's anchored? |
| 20:58.03 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 20:58.41 | stolenlegacy | !api next |
| 20:58.42 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'next' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-next |
| 20:58.53 | Shadowed | Ok, so it's a weird rounding issue basically |
| 20:59.12 | Shadowed | I guess? |
| 20:59.39 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: when i fix just the next setup (not pairs), it crashes again |
| 20:59.42 | nevcairiel | we already have this FixScrollOnUpdate to let the game calc frame sizes before applying the scroll |
| 20:59.44 | stolenlegacy | when i fixed all three, it didn't |
| 20:59.46 | stolenlegacy | weird |
| 20:59.58 | Shadowed | Well |
| 21:00.43 | nevcairiel | you can try to change the LayoutFinished func to also use the OnUpdate rather then the direct call |
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| 21:02.00 | Shadowed | Yup, that did it |
| 21:02.43 | Shadowed | Changing the FixScroll call in LayoutFinished to self.scrollframe:SetScript("OnUpdate", FixScrollOnUpdate) fixed it |
| 21:02.47 | Shadowed | You want a diff or you good? :P |
| 21:03.33 | nevcairiel | i'm good :P |
| 21:03.42 | Shadowed | Actually, that also fixed the issue with text not showing up in multi line edit boxes |
| 21:03.52 | nevcairiel | interesting :P |
| 21:04.27 | Shadowed | Probably fixes ticket #68 I bet then |
| 21:04.35 | nevcairiel | i'll test it in a few minutes |
| 21:04.36 | Shadowed | how odd |
| 21:04.40 | nevcairiel | see if anything broke |
| 21:05.02 | Shadowed | With your luck, it will break everything |
| 21:05.17 | asmodai | Hahaha |
| 21:05.25 | Shadowed | That solves two issues that were bugging me at least |
| 21:05.28 | asmodai | He has time, it's not like he's gaming :P |
| 21:06.49 | stolenlegacy | i seriously fail -.- |
| 21:07.03 | stolenlegacy | i copied my pastey from above into my code |
| 21:07.06 | stolenlegacy | the table being named x |
| 21:07.11 | stolenlegacy | while still using the table "arg" below |
| 21:07.12 | stolenlegacy | .- |
| 21:09.35 | stolenlegacy | it still errors, though |
| 21:10.47 | stolenlegacy | TrackTable: pairs() access to table 1. |
| 21:11.22 | stolenlegacy | that means the table key track_table_otable is used somewhere in the UI |
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| 21:20.28 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: is it possible that this price difference option keeps cancelling the same auctions for the same reason over and over again? |
| 21:20.53 | nevcairiel | man i love 5.1 sound in WoW in some areas .. i'm sitting on the skybreaker ship and you can really hear in which direction the engines are, its so great :D |
| 21:21.50 | Gnarfoz | at first I thought I just have a particularily active competitor today, but seeing exactly the same amount of glyphs canncelled for the fourth time in a row, and comparing some of the log entries makes me curious |
| 21:23.44 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r887 AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-ScrollFrame.lua: |
| 21:23.46 | Repo | AceGUI-3.0: ScrollFrame: Potentially fix an issue that caused the scrollframe to reset to top in certain resolution/UIScale combinations. |
| 21:27.25 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: i just got home from work and have been playing with SetMapByID(id) and it works like a charm (once in a dungeon you can even change levels no problem) |
| 21:27.49 | nevcairiel | and i recoded my instance map thing just for 3.3 :( |
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| 21:28.11 | Yssaril | :P and i just finished coding my own for YssBossLoot /cry |
| 21:29.03 | Yssaril | am gonna try to get a compleate list of zones <-> ID references by tonight :) |
| 21:29.41 | nevcairiel | its curious though, the IDs are only useful in 3.3, yet the new 3.3 ids are not on that wowwiki list |
| 21:30.18 | Yssaril | yea idk but as Xinhuan said those might have been mined before 3.3 |
| 21:31.36 | Torhal | Do they match what is on WoWHead? |
| 21:32.02 | Yssaril | no |
| 21:32.05 | Torhal | For example, on WoWHead, The Barrens is zone 17 |
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| 21:32.27 | Yssaril | 17 <-> badlands |
| 21:32.27 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: i got the error now |
| 21:32.27 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r888 AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-Slider.lua: |
| 21:32.29 | Repo | AceGUI-3.0: Slider: Add a more visible backdrop/border around the manual input area (Ticket #98) |
| 21:32.47 | stolenlegacy | Interface\FrameXML\FloatingChatFrame.lua:810: attempt to concatenate local 'value' (a table value) |
| 21:33.30 | stolenlegacy | Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2600: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 21:34.00 | nevcairiel | (weee, 888) |
| 21:35.15 | Stanzilla | what is ace3 currently? rc1? |
| 21:35.23 | nevcairiel | undefined, i guess |
| 21:36.16 | nevcairiel | i want to fix at least 2 or maybe 3 of those tickets and then call it a release |
| 21:36.32 | profalbert | Ace3 getting "released"? |
| 21:37.08 | nevcairiel | yes! |
| 21:37.45 | asmodai | As a frost mage levelling, does it make sense to get 1 or 2 points Frostbite after 3 points Improved Frostbolt or just stick to 5 points Frostbolt and up Frostbite later on? |
| 21:47.39 | Gnarfoz | you're leveling, it probably doesn't matter either way |
| 21:47.49 | jnwhiteh | Yssaril: Why did you PM me on wowi instead of asking me here |
| 21:47.55 | jnwhiteh | just run a script if you want all the MapIDs |
| 21:48.12 | jnwhiteh | I can't help you with the relationship in the MPQs.. but you don't need them |
| 21:49.47 | jnwhiteh | Just read the thread, and I can't help you with that at all |
| 21:50.37 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Some people mentioned DirectCompute > CUDA? |
| 21:50.46 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 21:50.56 | nevcairiel | probably because Compute is not nvidia bound |
| 21:51.36 | nevcairiel | I would really like to write some app that uses cuda or compute or opencl for that matter |
| 21:51.43 | nevcairiel | but i would need some idea for it first |
| 21:52.11 | nevcairiel | can't just pull soem heavy calc operations out of my ass :P |
| 21:52.29 | Fisker | 2+2 |
| 21:52.39 | asmodai | Heh, well, work related I might have some ideas. |
| 21:52.47 | asmodai | Since it's all research |
| 21:53.11 | profalbert | nevcairiel: http://dag.informatik.uni-kl.de/research/meb/ |
| 21:53.33 | Torhal | Yssaril: So WoWHead matches? |
| 21:54.19 | nevcairiel | Torhal: only if the barrens is the same zone as the badlands |
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| 21:55.37 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I kan reed gud huh? |
| 21:57.23 | asmodai | Alt-tab: killing players since 2004 |
| 21:58.05 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: meh |
| 21:58.14 | asmodai | nevcairiel: DC is only for Windows, since it's part of DirectX 11. |
| 21:58.24 | nevcairiel | true, too |
| 21:58.31 | stolenlegacy | is there any log file that errors can be found in if wow crashes due to out-of-memory? |
| 21:58.32 | asmodai | Whereas CUDA is also for Unix. |
| 21:58.45 | nevcairiel | but CUDA on linux is still in very early stages, too |
| 21:59.05 | asmodai | Oh |
| 21:59.18 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1144 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Some fixes to Gift of the Naaru |
| 21:59.47 | Yssaril | jnwhiteh: cause i didn't make the connection between your irc name and wowi name :P |
| 22:00.04 | Yssaril | jnwhiteh: thanks for the reply though |
| 22:00.25 | nevcairiel | so can has list of all instances now? |
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| 22:00.42 | asmodai | btw, Neal Stephenson's Anathem is quite an interesting book |
| 22:04.25 | Fisker | slaps Yssaril around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:06.28 | asmodai | watches nevcairiel aim |
| 22:09.23 | Fisker | you wouldn't watch a nevcairiel |
| 22:09.42 | Fisker | ~seen Shadowed |
| 22:09.47 | purl | shadowed is currently on #wowuidev #wowace. Has said a total of 66 messages. Is idling for 1h 4m 22s, last said: 'That solves two issues that were bugging me at least'. |
| 22:09.52 | elite3vil | ~seen Zeksie |
| 22:09.53 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc1-nott9-0-0-cust765.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7d 21h 15m 6s ago, saying: 'Anyone able to fix my wowace.com account? Just needs a flag changing that got changed a while back, and got changed back again last night for whatever reason whether intentionally or otherwise :)'. |
| 22:10.14 | Fisker | calls for Shadowed |
| 22:10.22 | Fisker | i think someone assassinated zeksie :( |
| 22:10.26 | Fisker | ~seen zek |
| 22:10.27 | purl | zek <n=zeksie@cpc1-nott9-0-0-cust756.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 41d 5h 40m 23s ago, saying: 'moo'. |
| 22:10.30 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 22:10.46 | Fisker | so it was you jnwhiteh |
| 22:10.46 | Fisker | tsk |
| 22:11.04 | asmodai | You wouldn't kick a Fisker |
| 22:11.17 | Torhal | you wouldn't accuse someone on IRC |
| 22:11.58 | Fisker | you wouldn't accuse someone of accusing on IRC |
| 22:14.54 | Fisker | owned Torhal |
| 22:15.16 | asmodai | I think he stopped caring. |
| 22:16.15 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: http://paste.wowace.com/1485/ |
| 22:18.30 | Fisker | you wouldn't asmodai |
| 22:18.49 | nevcairiel | thanks |
| 22:19.25 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: btw GetCurrentMapAreaID() returns the zoneID+1 |
| 22:19.45 | nevcairiel | awesome, this way it even shows locations for instance quests |
| 22:19.47 | nevcairiel | i love it |
| 22:19.48 | asmodai | I would. |
| 22:20.27 | asmodai | I wonder if Stormwind/Elwynn got to 301/30 due to the SW changed |
| 22:20.29 | asmodai | changes |
| 22:21.15 | nevcairiel | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5e71f29504caaa0fab7ed8112a026437.jpg |
| 22:21.21 | nevcairiel | ever wondered where freya is? |
| 22:21.37 | Yssaril | lol |
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| 22:22.28 | Fisker | ~seen tuller |
| 22:22.30 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 21h 55m 59s ago, saying: 'if caring is sharing, does that make sharing caring, and isn't sharing communism, therefore, isn't caring communism?'. |
| 22:23.28 | asmodai | heh |
| 22:24.00 | nevcairiel | man that so greatly simplified my instance map module |
| 22:24.14 | Pneumatus | for mapster? |
| 22:24.16 | nevcairiel | there wouldnt be a func to get zone info by ID, would there? |
| 22:24.32 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: btw i just notised i forgot to remove some zones form the instance list :P |
| 22:24.39 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:24.46 | nevcairiel | i only needed the 3.3 ids anyway |
| 22:24.50 | nevcairiel | got the others from wowwiki |
| 22:28.18 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: also 543 is the ArgentColiseum raid and 542 is the 5 man (my miner didn't pickup 542 for some reason) |
| 22:28.29 | nevcairiel | there is a difference? |
| 22:28.39 | nevcairiel | i thought its the same map |
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| 22:28.43 | Yssaril | 542 only has one level 543 has the extra one for anub |
| 22:28.48 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 22:30.04 | Fisker | Blizzard should make their own loot map shit |
| 22:30.07 | Fisker | might as well |
| 22:32.27 | stolenlegacy | http://paste.wowace.com/1486/ <-- this is what i got right no |
| 22:32.39 | stolenlegacy | now* |
| 22:33.13 | stolenlegacy | but somehow it doesn't work |
| 22:33.38 | stolenlegacy | various addons error etc. |
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| 22:37.25 | Fisker | asmodai you wouldn't be my bff |
| 22:37.35 | Stanzilla | I would! |
| 22:38.22 | Repo | 10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 073.3 * 1.2.3-19-gc036870 InstanceMaps.lua: [+1 commit] Change the InstanceMaps module to use the SetMapByID function new to 3.3 |
| 22:39.34 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1145 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 22:39.36 | Repo | - Glyph of Seal of Light doesn't apply to Gift of the Naaru. Slightly lowered coefficient. |
| 22:47.53 | asmodai | Fisker: Indeed. |
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| 22:57.31 | asmodai | Oh, did Wobin wake up already? :| |
| 22:57.46 | Wobin | <.< |
| 22:57.47 | Wobin | >.> |
| 22:57.54 | asmodai | \./ |
| 22:57.56 | Wobin | who drugged my tea? |
| 22:57.59 | nevcairiel | is it that time down there? |
| 22:58.02 | asmodai | points at Fisker |
| 22:58.15 | Wobin | resolves never to buy milk from Fisker |
| 22:58.19 | Wobin | it's only 10am =P |
| 22:58.34 | nevcairiel | i'm managing to figure out what time it is in the US .. but down there, too much for my head |
| 22:58.59 | nevcairiel | although maybe i should, a friend of mine is going to new zealand and australia over christmas |
| 22:59.01 | asmodai | Wobin: I think you just bought a 1000 liters of it |
| 22:59.36 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Japan is 8 hours different from us, Aus is 2 different from Japan, so 10 from us ;) |
| 23:00.06 | Wobin | asmodai, depends |
| 23:00.10 | nevcairiel | maybe 6 from us and you think in the wrong direction! |
| 23:00.16 | Wobin | on time zone and daylight savings, also =P |
| 23:00.18 | asmodai | Sure, summer/winter time :) |
| 23:00.33 | Wobin | daylight savings always confuses the crap out of me |
| 23:00.41 | nevcairiel | asmodai: they have summer time now, remember :D |
| 23:00.55 | Wobin | also, on which state you're talking about |
| 23:01.08 | Wobin | cause not every state follows [the same] daylight savings |
| 23:02.26 | nevcairiel | crazy |
| 23:02.33 | asmodai | Yeah, makes for the funniest of discussions on the olson timezone list every year. |
| 23:02.49 | nevcairiel | I really want to visit australia or new zealand some day |
| 23:02.56 | nevcairiel | but flights there are not really cheap |
| 23:03.40 | Wobin | they are for me! =) |
| 23:03.48 | nevcairiel | shh :P |
| 23:03.50 | asmodai | nevcairiel: must be even more than my EUR 1000-1100 to Japan :( |
| 23:04.06 | nevcairiel | i actually have no idea on the exact price |
| 23:04.10 | Wobin | look at it this way... for aus/nz, flights to -anywhere- are far away =P |
| 23:04.31 | Fisker | i want your loving Wobin |
| 23:05.02 | Wobin | You'll have to pay for a ticket to europe from australia for that |
| 23:05.17 | asmodai | rofl. |
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| 23:06.28 | Fisker | let me print a transcript so i can get the courts order on that |
| 23:06.32 | Repo | 10tracktable: 03stolenlegacy * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial commit |
| 23:07.55 | nevcairiel | asmodai: 1200 for both directions .. so 600 per flight.. mm pricy |
| 23:08.47 | Repo | 10tracktable: 03stolenlegacy 040.0.1 * r3 : Tagging as 0.0.1 |
| 23:09.35 | nevcairiel | maybe in 2 years or so |
| 23:09.49 | asmodai | Pricy? I pay EUR 1100 for a round trip for Japan :S |
| 23:10.07 | asmodai | So 1200 ain't too bad. |
| 23:10.23 | nevcairiel | its quite alot just to get somewhere, imho :P |
| 23:10.34 | nevcairiel | and spending 27 hours in a plane |
| 23:10.46 | nevcairiel | or in different planes, probably |
| 23:11.21 | asmodai | Yeah |
| 23:11.26 | asmodai | That's the bad part of Oz |
| 23:11.39 | asmodai | Japan is only 10-11 hours, straight flight from Amsterdam |
| 23:13.00 | Fisker | picks Wobin's nosehair |
| 23:14.27 | Fisker | ...with a chainsaw |
| 23:15.39 | Wobin | out of a lineup? |
| 23:17.12 | profalbert | does anyone know which addon(s) is most likely to cause the "You are not in a group"-issue? |
| 23:17.27 | nevcairiel | wasnt there an addon to detect that? |
| 23:17.36 | profalbert | really? |
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| 23:17.48 | nevcairiel | i forgot its name |
| 23:20.05 | asmodai | You wouldn't trust Fisker with your daughter... |
| 23:20.59 | nevcairiel | profalbert: http://www.wowace.com/addons/youarentinapartyfix/ |
| 23:21.59 | profalbert | ah thanks |
| 23:22.48 | profalbert | the debug-stuff reveals the addon that causes it? |
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| 23:23.06 | nevcairiel | if you enable it with that slash cmd, ye |
| 23:23.15 | profalbert | cool |
| 23:23.46 | nevcairiel | i think it just dumps a stacktrace |
| 23:23.53 | nevcairiel | so you'll have to interpret that |
| 23:25.16 | nevcairiel | man i can't get myself to start one of those bigger changes for AceGUI :P |
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| 23:36.45 | Stanzilla | slaps nevcairiel with his nikolaus-socke |
| 23:44.56 | nevcairiel | lol :P |
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