| 00:01.47 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r424 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update |
| 00:03.02 | vhaarr | god dammit some fucker bumped my bid on an ebay item from £53 to £111 |
| 00:03.17 | vhaarr | I had set a max bid of 150 and it stayed on £53 the last 6 days |
| 00:03.22 | vhaarr | 1 day before I win this fucker comes in |
| 00:03.37 | Repo | 10flight-hud: 03Raffelzahn 06raffelzahn * r263 / (2 files in 1 directory): De-dscription added in TOC, deDE lines updated and added |
| 00:03.44 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude 04v4.0.2.4 * r425 : Tagging as v4.0.2.4 |
| 00:04.52 | Belazor | vhaarr: what itam |
| 00:05.33 | vhaarr | why, was it you? |
| 00:06.12 | Belazor | lmao no, Im just curious whats worth that much but you expected to get for 53 |
| 00:06.17 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.6-2-g4c9559c / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 00:06.19 | Repo | 4c9559c: add config-option for short throttle-texts |
| 00:06.20 | Repo | 359e357: add 2 tables containing throttle-texts and an option to use the short one |
| 00:06.23 | vhaarr | it's worth 250 |
| 00:06.45 | Belazor | what is it then :P |
| 00:06.46 | arkanes | vhaarr: something like 90% of the bidding action happens in the last few hours of an auction |
| 00:06.50 | vhaarr | obviously I don't expect to get it for 50, then I wouldn't have set the max bid to 150 |
| 00:07.05 | vhaarr | arkanes: yeah, I'm just annoyed :p |
| 00:07.31 | Belazor | I MUST KNOW WHAT IT IS NAOW :O |
| 00:07.36 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1172 / (6 files in 2 directories): |
| 00:07.37 | vhaarr | of course it was bound to happen, doesn't mean I can't enjoy getting upset about it |
| 00:07.38 | Repo | - Merged some aura calculation logic into the core from the modules to simplify future additions |
| 00:07.50 | profalbert | the ebay-system is flawed as long as "auction sniping" works |
| 00:09.01 | vhaarr | I agree, however it's still 24 hours left so this wasn't really sniping :p |
| 00:09.58 | Arrowmaster | sniping was a very specific case that they should have fixed, if not their system really sucks |
| 00:10.18 | vhaarr | it's not about fixing, it's about policy |
| 00:10.26 | vhaarr | ebay international simply doesn't see it as a problem |
| 00:10.38 | Axodious | hey, unholy dps atm is still done in blood presence yea? |
| 00:10.39 | profalbert | the fix is easy |
| 00:10.39 | vhaarr | ebay.de doesn't allow it though |
| 00:10.54 | profalbert | just extend an auciton by 1 second when a bid occurs |
| 00:11.05 | Belazor | 1 second? 5 minutes more like it |
| 00:11.10 | profalbert | whatever |
| 00:11.27 | profalbert | just enough to allow the bid-agents to work |
| 00:11.53 | Arrowmaster | ok neither of you seem to know what im referring to, at one point if somebody bid almost exactly before an auction ended other peoples automatic bids didnt take effect |
| 00:12.18 | vhaarr | I understand perfectly |
| 00:12.28 | profalbert | that's actually exactly what I ment |
| 00:13.05 | Arrowmaster | so from your first comment about it i take it it still works? |
| 00:13.05 | Belazor | and I'm saying that allowing bids in the last second, automatic bid or no, is bad for both the seller and other buyers and should be banned |
| 00:13.20 | profalbert | haven't checked for some time now |
| 00:13.46 | Belazor | so doing it should extend the auction by 5 mins to allow a bidding war |
| 00:14.06 | profalbert | that's how real-worls auctions work anyways |
| 00:14.15 | profalbert | in a way.. |
| 00:14.22 | Belazor | yeah |
| 00:14.25 | Arrowmaster | its online so 1 hour might be better |
| 00:15.05 | profalbert | that's just parameters that need tuning and a good formula to calculate |
| 00:15.28 | profalbert | the more time is left, the less time you need to add to the auction |
| 00:16.17 | Arrowmaster | nah it should be if the time is less than a certain amount reset the time left to that amount, dont do anything if its over the amount |
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| 00:20.02 | Hid | Anyone know if there's a slash command to open bugsack? (not the config option frame you get with /bugsack, but the actual error display frame) |
| 00:20.11 | vhaarr | no there isn't |
| 00:20.14 | vhaarr | and that's my bad |
| 00:20.20 | vhaarr | I plan to fix it |
| 00:20.31 | vhaarr | the slash command /bugsack should show the sack, obviously |
| 00:20.40 | Hid | At least then I know I'm not going mad, been looking through the .lua file for the slashcommand, but couldn't find it ^^ |
| 00:20.54 | Hid | Ye I'll just edit it myself meanwhile then |
| 00:21.06 | Hid | Can just call BugSack:OpenSack right? |
| 00:21.18 | vhaarr | yes indeed |
| 00:21.50 | Hid | Cheers |
| 00:22.00 | vhaarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.10 | vhaarr | although |
| 00:22.22 | vhaarr | that might error on load because BugSackFrame isn't created until needed |
| 00:22.28 | Hid | I just did: SlashCmdList.BugSack = function() BugSack:OpenSack() end |
| 00:22.31 | vhaarr | if BugSackFrame and BugSackFrame:IsShown() then |
| 00:22.41 | Funkeh` | There's something awfully catchy about "CloseSack" "OpenSack" ^^ |
| 00:22.47 | Hid | ;) |
| 00:22.47 | vhaarr | right whatever works |
| 00:23.02 | Balreign | IsShown() IsVisible() what's the difference? |
| 00:23.16 | vhaarr | things can be outside the world frame |
| 00:23.29 | Balreign | with IsShow()? |
| 00:23.42 | vhaarr | yes |
| 00:23.48 | Balreign | oki doki |
| 00:27.01 | Hid | Hah, while doing icc25 normal in a pug, a guy compared the gunship battle to the chess event in karazhan saying it's free loot, which another guy responded to with "First time I did the chess event we wiped.. I was playing the king piece, and accidentally tripped" |
| 00:27.08 | Hid | Just me who finds that really funny? :P |
| 00:27.33 | Arrowmaster | if you call Hide() on a frames parent frame then call Show() on the child frame, the child frame will be true for IsShown() but not IsVisible() |
| 00:28.49 | Balreign | tricky |
| 00:29.35 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r157 SimpleMD.lua: |
| 00:29.37 | Repo | -drycode a 4 second bar during transfer and return to 30 sec cooldown after transfer |
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| 00:48.13 | Gnarfoz | WoW is so horribly unstable since 3.3, it's really annoying -.- |
| 00:51.49 | Funkeh` | weird |
| 00:51.57 | Funkeh` | wow is actually more stable for me than 3.2 |
| 00:52.00 | Funkeh` | frequent crashes |
| 00:52.06 | Funkeh` | during 3.2 |
| 00:52.17 | Starinnia | same, I'm more stable now |
| 00:53.05 | SunTsu | it freezes once per instance - at least WoW doesn't crash anymore after leaving a vendor, which it did in 3.2 from time to time |
| 00:53.24 | Hjalte | The game is stable for me, but they've introduced some nasty bugs. In both 25- and 10-man ICC the gunship bugged. In 25-man mode, we didn't get loot. |
| 00:53.47 | SunTsu | Hjalte: There is a blue post about that on mmo-champion |
| 00:53.59 | Hjalte | The other day at Hodir, 10-man, both chests dissappeared after we killed him. We did do the achievement to get the second chest. |
| 00:55.38 | Hjalte | And today when we did the fourth boss of ICC 25-man, we had one of our DKs kill himself to avoid the damage from the mark. He choose to jump out from the balcony, which is fine by me, but then he couldnt get any loot from the chest afterwards. |
| 00:56.06 | SunTsu | what I can rule out is addon memory usage, it crashes the same when using around 40 mb RAM or 130 mb |
| 00:59.10 | Bruners | 130mb ? |
| 00:59.32 | SunTsu | Bruners: yeah, mobmap, gathermate, auctioneer... |
| 00:59.48 | SunTsu | lightheaded, too |
| 01:00.21 | Bruners | aha |
| 01:00.28 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6853 Citadel/Deathwhisper.lua: Citadel/Deathwhisper: kill add timers in p2 |
| 01:01.18 | Hjalte | SunTsu: I don't see any blue posts about gunship battle? |
| 01:02.10 | Bruners | Gnarfoz: horrible unstable in dalaran for me |
| 01:02.31 | Hjalte | Just an awful lot of lag at times in Dalaran here. |
| 01:03.09 | Bruners | i cant load new addons in dalaran :P |
| 01:03.28 | Shadowed | @project swapmagic |
| 01:03.29 | Repo | Shadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/swapmagic/. SwapMagic. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author), Moonsorrow (Author). Updated: 201 days ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 01:03.51 | Gnarfoz | it just freezes the graphics... and then exits 10 seconds later or something |
| 01:03.59 | Gnarfoz | no crash reporter :\ |
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| 01:04.25 | Gnarfoz | and the other kind of way: enter loading screen... stop responding, have to kill via task manager -.- |
| 01:04.50 | Funkeh` | during 3.2 i was having a lockup a day |
| 01:04.56 | Funkeh` | exactly how you desctibe |
| 01:05.02 | Funkeh` | not crash, just total freeze |
| 01:05.31 | Funkeh` | only way to exit was task manager |
| 01:06.03 | Hjalte | Oh and part of the change to group loot (or whatever the default active loot system in 5-man groups is) is also retarded. I played with a paladin today that couldn't need on a mail head for healing that was much better than what he was using. Everyone else had already disenchant greeded. |
| 01:07.19 | SunTsu | Hjalte: strange, I somewhere read that they are currently are working through a queue of bugged gunship encounters and try to recover loot, it was just a matter of time - but I can't seem to find my source |
| 01:08.00 | Hjalte | SunTsu: I bet there's a queue. It took me several days to get a reply on my ticket. |
| 01:08.21 | Hjalte | It was open for a day, and escalated for two....... |
| 01:08.35 | Hjalte | . <- that button is stuck on my keyboard. |
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| 01:11.53 | WobWork | Hjalte: yeah, that default sucks |
| 01:12.00 | WobWork | it's only on cross realm pugs though |
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| 01:33.26 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2761 Frame.lua: |
| 01:33.27 | Repo | Brought back resetFilters() to prevent an error being produced if you reset filters within the interface options, fixes ticket 889 |
| 01:44.09 | Balreign | actually with 3.3 for me if addons memory exceeds 30MB, my fps start to go down to around 17 fps... really annoying |
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| 02:01.13 | Hid | Balreign, How can you be sure that it's the addon memory size that's causing your problems, and not one of the actual addons bugging out? |
| 02:01.39 | Hid | Maby you should get optionhouse, interfaceusage or some similar addon and check exactly what's going on |
| 02:02.05 | Balreign | because i've try without any, anebabling half, then the other half with no issue |
| 02:03.18 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * b3.0.3-4-gf4a9730 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 02:03.20 | Repo | f4a9730: Fixed player buff frames not updating correctly while inside a vehicle (Thanks Ailae and Insurgence for debugging this) |
| 02:03.21 | Repo | c27ce92: Aura filtering by ones you cast is now defined as you, your vehicle or your pet |
| 02:03.22 | Repo | bb06a79: Fixed error when changing visibility of blizzard frames |
| 02:03.28 | Balreign | tryed some mixins, then I lookup on addon memory usage and found that under 30MB usage I had no problems |
| 02:04.13 | Hid | Balreign, maby 2 of the addons use the same library, which in turn is bugged? Or maby more than just 1 addon is bugged on its own? |
| 02:05.33 | Hid | Just sounds really REALLY strange to me that wow would somehow bug out when you go above 30mb addon usage, for no other reason than the actual size of memory used |
| 02:06.07 | Balreign | at the beginning addons memory couldn't exceed 40 MB memory |
| 02:07.57 | Balreign | But I'm certainly going to remove all addons using LibPeriodicTable |
| 02:08.21 | Hid | I'm not pretending to know what's wrong here, just saying that to me your explanation for the problem sounds very unlikely, and I would reccomend you to look at other possible causes ^^ |
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| 02:10.00 | Ingela | ulic, did you or me do something with lfd broker? if i mouse over i only get a big black box :O |
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| 02:31.08 | ulic | Ingela: are you running v1.0 release, non-beta? |
| 02:31.44 | Ingela | running latest |
| 02:31.49 | Ingela | haveall my addons on alpha |
| 02:34.10 | ulic | hmm, what revision? As far as I have experienced that is fixed. It was a problem until probably yesterday though. |
| 02:35.47 | Ingela | r9 |
| 02:36.13 | Ingela | that seems kinda old |
| 02:36.14 | Ingela | 11th |
| 02:36.27 | Ingela | was last update |
| 02:36.36 | ulic | yep |
| 02:36.42 | Ingela | oh ok that was latest ok |
| 02:36.48 | ulic | curse isn't syndicating |
| 02:37.04 | Ingela | then FUCK CURSE!! |
| 02:37.08 | Ingela | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.11 | ulic | grab zip from wowace :) |
| 02:37.12 | Ingela | awwh that sucks |
| 02:37.29 | Ingela | hehe yeah |
| 02:37.29 | ulic | yea, hopefully they'll get it fixed, apparently it's busted for everyone this weekend. |
| 02:37.29 | Ingela | i don't care that mcuh was just reporting errors! |
| 02:37.36 | ulic | Ingela: appreciated. |
| 02:38.09 | ulic | yep I tagged a v1.0 release, it should be working pretty flawlessly |
| 02:42.23 | Repo | 10scrolling-combat-text: 03Grayhoof 04v6.42 * r18 : Tagging as v6.42 |
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| 02:46.16 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.3f-beta-3-gad6fee1 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] change ldb timer back to using OnUpdate instead of an Animation Frame |
| 02:46.23 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 04v6.3.4-beta * 9b0a099 /: [new tag] Accumulitve Fix & change ldb to OnUpdate should stop the crashing |
| 02:49.12 | Shefki | nevcairiel: BTW I can still cause http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/49-game-crash-with-ace-config-dialog/ with 3.3.0 |
| 02:50.34 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.4-beta-1-g40c1f42 ldb.lua: [+1 commit] remove reference to non-existant frame |
| 02:50.41 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 04v6.3.4a-beta * 9686ad3 /: [new tag] typo fix |
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| 03:27.28 | Hjalte | When you are relogging, I suppose the text sent between you seeing the loading screen and coming back in the game doesn't show up? |
| 03:27.33 | Hjalte | reloading the UI* |
| 03:33.41 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r704 Frozen_Halls (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 03:33.43 | Repo | - Change Ick's Pursuit to announce who is being pursued with UNIT_AURA |
| 03:33.44 | Repo | - Made Scourgelord Tyrannus Brand to be local info only. |
| 03:35.44 | Antiarc | Is the Curse Client still borked? |
| 03:36.53 | Hjalte | Antiarc: It's still not picking up updates, yeah. |
| 03:37.18 | Hjalte | Antiarc: Oh, and like someone else said in here some days ago, stop spamming my chat when I log in with Sexymap on :) |
| 03:37.42 | Antiarc | Hjalte: Amusingly, once Curse starts picking up updates, Sexymap will stop spamming you. |
| 03:37.50 | Hjalte | Antiarc: Ah, sorry. |
| 03:37.56 | quiescens | excuses |
| 03:38.05 | Hjalte | Hey, it's the hardest word! |
| 03:44.33 | WobWork | wtb curse propogation |
| 03:44.34 | WobWork | stat |
| 03:44.58 | Torhal | WobWork: Methinks a weekend crew is long overdue. |
| 03:45.15 | Torhal | At least one motherfucker who can push the "Get Shit Started Again" button. |
| 03:45.56 | Antiarc | Who all here has WoW crashes as of 3.3? |
| 03:46.31 | WobWork | yoshimo did I think |
| 03:46.34 | WobWork | Fisker |
| 03:46.38 | pompy | i do to.. mempool crap |
| 03:46.40 | quiescens | not significantly more than I did in all the previous patches |
| 03:46.57 | Antiarc | pompy: What video card? |
| 03:47.33 | Stanzilla | <- gforce gtx 275 |
| 03:47.37 | Torhal | Antiarc: Diamond Stealth 3D probably |
| 03:47.39 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:47.53 | Antiarc | Everyone I've seen crashing so far is running an 8xxx or 9xxx nvidia card |
| 03:48.11 | quiescens | what kind of crash |
| 03:48.20 | WobWork | I've an 8800GTX |
| 03:48.27 | WobWork | but I've not updated my drivers recently |
| 03:48.28 | Antiarc | quiescens: crash to desktop |
| 03:48.33 | Antiarc | WobWork: Do you get crashes? |
| 03:48.39 | WobWork | No |
| 03:48.45 | Antiarc | hrm. |
| 03:48.46 | WobWork | I do get some odd fps slowdowns though |
| 03:49.05 | WobWork | although I don't know if that's me, or the instance servers |
| 03:49.13 | WobWork | cause they've been pretty sketchy recently too |
| 03:49.14 | Antiarc | Why would instance servers cause slowdown? |
| 03:49.17 | quiescens | I'm not really getting crashes, I'm getting, randomly disconnect to titlescreen without any sort of error maybe once or twice a night |
| 03:49.40 | WobWork | Antiarc: hard to tell sometimes if it's lag, or clientside |
| 03:50.20 | WobWork | It could be ShockAndAwe not working properly |
| 03:50.28 | WobWork | since that's one of my more recent downloads |
| 03:51.03 | eidolarr | WobWork: if your video FPS is choppy it's your side |
| 03:51.17 | eidolarr | server lag manifests itself in rubberbanding and long delays before casting spells |
| 03:51.35 | WobWork | see, that happens too =) |
| 03:51.40 | eidolarr | ah |
| 03:51.40 | WobWork | so probably a combination of both |
| 03:51.54 | eidolarr | I understand this is probably redundant here but you might check your addons |
| 03:52.04 | eidolarr | I had horrible performance because one of my addons was out of date and spewing garbage |
| 03:52.05 | quiescens | too much effort |
| 03:52.07 | WobWork | there was a point, in PoS that I was the only one left alive, with half the instance chasing me ineffectively firing spells at me =P |
| 03:52.29 | WobWork | I decided to go explore while the server caught up with the quadrillion or so damage stacked up =P |
| 03:52.42 | eidolarr | anythnig cool? |
| 03:52.46 | WobWork | nope =( |
| 03:52.51 | quiescens | we spam heals on people when they have that happen |
| 03:53.03 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * b598545 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 03:53.05 | Repo | b598545: make better LDB plugin that opens options on right click and lets you select an instance on left click |
| 03:53.06 | WobWork | I soon got spread as a fine tauren paste across the landscape when everything caught up |
| 03:53.06 | quiescens | so their screen gets flooded with green numbers when it wakes up |
| 03:53.07 | Repo | 87ed8b3: remove LDB stuff from the core |
| 03:53.47 | WobWork | but quite often, in the last week, I've ressed someone, they've accepted, but any further heals just don't go through |
| 03:53.55 | pompy | Antiarc: gt 220 |
| 03:54.19 | WobWork | hm |
| 03:54.26 | WobWork | I wonder if I counted as bovril then =P |
| 03:54.29 | quiescens | a lot of char server caused lag lately |
| 03:54.44 | quiescens | like, when someone loots an item |
| 03:54.54 | Repo | 10scrolling-combat-text: 03StingerSoft * r19 / (2 files in 2 directories): ruRU update |
| 03:55.05 | quiescens | and then their char sort of stops responding until it finishes |
| 03:55.39 | WobWork | server lag made some cross server pugs... interesting to say the least =P |
| 03:55.59 | quiescens | lol |
| 03:56.35 | quiescens | go in with a friend as tank and healer |
| 03:56.41 | quiescens | and then your server explodes |
| 03:56.48 | eidolarr | I was kicked froma pug for the first time last night |
| 03:57.03 | eidolarr | we were on hadronox and I told them they should move out of the clouds to take less damage and the tank flipped his shit |
| 03:57.11 | eidolarr | it was bizarre |
| 03:58.00 | WobWork | sounds like you were better off =P |
| 03:58.04 | WobWork | were you healing? |
| 03:58.08 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 03:58.19 | WobWork | my rule for that shit is say it once, then let them die |
| 03:58.35 | quiescens | I'll try to keep people alive |
| 03:58.47 | WobWork | not worth the effort if they don't learn |
| 03:58.47 | quiescens | its that or play solitaire while healing |
| 03:58.48 | eidolarr | the problem was, i think the clouds heal the spider or somethnig, because he was not dying |
| 03:58.54 | quiescens | nah |
| 03:58.59 | quiescens | the leeching poison does |
| 03:59.08 | WobWork | once all the dps is dead |
| 03:59.15 | WobWork | you and the tank could take her down =P |
| 03:59.28 | WobWork | and if I'm bored in pugs healing |
| 03:59.30 | WobWork | I just dps |
| 03:59.37 | eidolarr | well i'm a pally haha |
| 03:59.40 | eidolarr | couldn't if i wanted to |
| 03:59.42 | quiescens | something always |
| 03:59.47 | quiescens | *happens* |
| 03:59.47 | eidolarr | or do you mean like, whackin em with the mace |
| 03:59.53 | quiescens | if I try to dps in a pug |
| 04:00.11 | WobWork | eidolarr: hehe just beacon yourself |
| 04:00.16 | WobWork | and get in there and whack |
| 04:00.53 | WobWork | I've had the luck to get some pretty decent tanks in my lfds |
| 04:01.02 | WobWork | don't take too much damage |
| 04:01.02 | eidolarr | yeah same except that one |
| 04:01.20 | eidolarr | i think my record dps is like 400, using holy shock offensively |
| 04:01.29 | WobWork | rawr! |
| 04:01.47 | WobWork | I like Fire Nova as a spell for shammies |
| 04:01.52 | quiescens | just wish some of the groups would move a little faster |
| 04:02.10 | eidolarr | sometimes you get in a group where it's butter and that is awesome |
| 04:02.15 | WobWork | I ran an awesome Nexus |
| 04:02.19 | eidolarr | i was in one that cleared HOL in 15 mins |
| 04:02.19 | WobWork | we did not stop at all |
| 04:02.31 | WobWork | just dragged the mobs to the next mob |
| 04:02.38 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 04:02.46 | eidolarr | i think you need at least 2 beast DPS for that though |
| 04:02.51 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:02.55 | quiescens | that's mostly pointless |
| 04:03.11 | quiescens | most of the time you're better off killing off the current group and just moving off immediately |
| 04:03.11 | WobWork | My last HoL on the first boss, they managed to pull together two of the packs plus the electrified boss |
| 04:03.15 | arkanes | just did a HoL |
| 04:03.20 | quiescens | rather than trying to move while dpsing |
| 04:03.21 | arkanes | loken dead in 26 seconds |
| 04:03.24 | WobWork | ... -that- was fun |
| 04:03.29 | WobWork | I almost ran out of mana |
| 04:03.32 | WobWork | keeping everyone up |
| 04:03.39 | quiescens | most classes lose like half their dps while moving |
| 04:03.41 | eidolarr | yeah arkanes i've had that happen twice and it's been glorious |
| 04:03.48 | eidolarr | i dnot think he did evn one nova |
| 04:04.16 | WobWork | I think we had a pally, lock and rogue for dps on that HoL run |
| 04:04.18 | WobWork | lots of aoe |
| 04:05.02 | eidolarr | the lightning boss sucks |
| 04:05.09 | eidolarr | all the bosses with % based mechanics suck |
| 04:05.55 | WobWork | I dislike that tornado boss |
| 04:06.00 | eidolarr | yeah that one |
| 04:06.02 | WobWork | merely because you can't just dps him down |
| 04:06.16 | eidolarr | or the one at the end of dtk |
| 04:06.17 | WobWork | it's fight fight stop. run run run |
| 04:06.21 | WobWork | fight fight stop |
| 04:06.23 | WobWork | run run run |
| 04:06.34 | WobWork | oh that one's not too bad |
| 04:06.44 | WobWork | since can dps in both phases |
| 04:06.51 | WobWork | it's just the transition that sucks |
| 04:07.22 | WobWork | OK is a pain |
| 04:07.24 | WobWork | especially if people don't interrupt those shadowcasters |
| 04:07.37 | WobWork | I've taken it upon myself to interrupt them =( |
| 04:07.42 | eidolarr | the guys with the debuff that silences you are the worst for me i think |
| 04:07.46 | harl | does a .toc file allow more than one entry called "SavedVariables"? (other than SVPerCharacter) |
| 04:07.47 | WobWork | oh I -hate- that |
| 04:08.00 | WobWork | harl: why would you want more than one? |
| 04:08.04 | eidolarr | you can add multiple globals |
| 04:08.06 | eidolarr | for one entry |
| 04:08.10 | harl | i know that |
| 04:08.36 | eidolarr | goto why would you want more than one |
| 04:08.54 | WobWork | =( goto |
| 04:09.08 | quiescens | jmp? |
| 04:09.09 | Repo | 10loot-db: 03StingerSoft * r57 / (2 files in 1 directory): LootDB: |
| 04:09.11 | Repo | - added missing translations |
| 04:09.34 | eidolarr | i like goto for bailouts and for obfuscation |
| 04:09.41 | harl | because i'm lazy and i'm creating a script to automate changing most of the SVPC into just SV |
| 04:11.12 | WobWork | those goddamn "Eyes in the Night" are the worst mechanic ever =P |
| 04:11.25 | WobWork | along with the damn fixate on the first mobs |
| 04:11.35 | quiescens | excuses |
| 04:11.47 | quiescens | OK is always good for a laugh though |
| 04:11.47 | WobWork | for what |
| 04:11.56 | quiescens | you get to watch everyone die on the last boss |
| 04:12.20 | WobWork | quiescens: unless you have holy pallies and/or resto druids in the party |
| 04:12.33 | weab | what kind of fail groups do you guys end up in |
| 04:12.40 | WobWork | cross realm ones =) |
| 04:12.48 | harl | damn |
| 04:12.54 | quiescens | I had a dk die in the thingy phase on that last boss |
| 04:12.55 | WobWork | In any case, not so much anymore |
| 04:13.03 | WobWork | but when I wasn't as well geared, yeah |
| 04:13.06 | quiescens | just the other day |
| 04:13.08 | weab | you have to suck pretty hard to die during insanity |
| 04:13.20 | eidolarr | it depends on the class |
| 04:13.24 | eidolarr | well not anymore lol |
| 04:13.26 | eidolarr | but it used to |
| 04:13.27 | WobWork | if you're outgeared by the rest of the party, there's certainly a good chance |
| 04:13.44 | WobWork | but since we're grouped by gear rating, essentially, it's less of an issue now |
| 04:13.45 | quiescens | they don't scale |
| 04:13.51 | quiescens | lol |
| 04:14.02 | weab | dunno, i've got three fresh 80s that i scraped together the gear to just barely get into heroics for |
| 04:14.06 | weab | done ok on all of em |
| 04:14.09 | eidolarr | they do in your mind |
| 04:14.11 | weab | didn't die |
| 04:14.23 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 521408c / (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 04:14.24 | Repo | 521408c: rerun miner to pickup on the fixed boss names |
| 04:14.25 | Repo | 21f070e: fix ICC bossnames to work with LibBabbleBoss and fix their location update miner as well |
| 04:14.27 | Repo | 70d2c2c: Oops forgot to add Toravon to the miner (no big deal since wowhead doesn't have his loot yet) |
| 04:14.29 | quiescens | noone should really die regardless of class |
| 04:14.29 | WobWork | I was in a group with two holy pallies |
| 04:14.30 | harl | yeah right. and everyone's uber. |
| 04:14.34 | WobWork | it was hell trying to kill both |
| 04:14.37 | eidolarr | it seems like undergeared locks and moonkin have trouble |
| 04:14.39 | quiescens | you might not be able to kill them all off very quickly |
| 04:14.50 | quiescens | but you shouldn't die unless you have no instinct for survival |
| 04:15.12 | Yssaril | quiescens: ever gone up agains ragneros at level 60 (the rogues ALWAYS died) |
| 04:15.24 | WobWork | quiescens: we're talking about the average WoW player here, right? =P |
| 04:15.25 | weab | that's because the healers ignored them |
| 04:15.32 | quiescens | I would say every class is capable of at least *surviving* long enough for one of the other party members to show up in your insanity |
| 04:16.40 | quiescens | the two easiest ways to do that part are either l2interrupt and kill the healer, or just aoe |
| 04:18.04 | WobWork | hellfires |
| 04:18.07 | WobWork | oops =P |
| 04:18.33 | quiescens | but a dk ): |
| 04:18.40 | quiescens | just a death strike here or there ): |
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| 04:19.00 | WobWork | my DK is a tank |
| 04:19.05 | WobWork | so I never have issues on insanity |
| 04:19.33 | weab | if my rogue can live through insanity, anyone can |
| 04:19.44 | weab | worst gear ever |
| 04:19.59 | WobWork | what happens if you vanish while in insanity? |
| 04:20.07 | quiescens | the world implodes |
| 04:20.13 | weab | yes, that |
| 04:20.14 | WobWork | awesome |
| 04:20.21 | weab | i don't suggest it |
| 04:20.24 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Starinnia * r6854 Citadel/Saurfang.lua: Saurfang: fix summons event, and spellId |
| 04:20.34 | quiescens | eh the world is overrated |
| 04:20.36 | arkanes | it breaks instantly and they kill you anyway :\ |
| 04:20.55 | WobWork | well that sucks |
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| 04:21.11 | arkanes | frigging worhtless |
| 04:21.19 | arkanes | I swear combat pulses break it now |
| 04:21.38 | quiescens | combat pulses put you in combat |
| 04:21.46 | arkanes | I am aware |
| 04:21.56 | quiescens | mobs will attack anything that's in combat with them even if they're stealthed |
| 04:21.56 | Antiarc | Vanish breaks every time anyone on the server mounts. |
| 04:22.04 | arkanes | untrue |
| 04:22.10 | arkanes | at least, it's not supposed to be true |
| 04:22.10 | Antiarc | Totally true |
| 04:22.13 | arkanes | no |
| 04:22.13 | Antiarc | :P |
| 04:22.17 | arkanes | oh, the mounting part |
| 04:22.19 | arkanes | yeah thats true |
| 04:22.20 | quiescens | if you're in the insanity thingy then there are no other valid targets |
| 04:22.29 | Starinnia | vanish breaks every time Ackis drycodes something |
| 04:22.51 | arkanes | it doesn't matter |
| 04:23.04 | arkanes | vanish removes you from combat and the threat table, if theres no other valid targets the mob will reset |
| 04:23.20 | arkanes | unless, of course, it breaks because a sparrow farted or something |
| 04:23.27 | quiescens | no, there are still targets |
| 04:23.30 | quiescens | just not targets they can attack |
| 04:23.41 | arkanes | that will cause mobs to evade |
| 04:23.50 | quiescens | except, you're still there |
| 04:23.54 | arkanes | doesn't matter |
| 04:23.58 | arkanes | I'm not on their threat table |
| 04:24.11 | quiescens | you are once you're pulsed back into combat |
| 04:24.23 | arkanes | right |
| 04:24.34 | Hjalte | Is there an addon that can replace the DBM range check feature? It was very useful on Saurfang and I couldnt find a way to make BigWigs do the same. |
| 04:24.36 | arkanes | I suspect that what will happen is that they will reset, though |
| 04:24.44 | arkanes | and then perhaps attack you later |
| 04:24.52 | arkanes | thats not what I'm talking about with combat pulses breaking vanish, though |
| 04:24.59 | Starinnia | the BigWigs module for Saurfang would need to have range check added |
| 04:49.12 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r158 SimpleMD.lua: revert last commit |
| 04:52.39 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 61afbc7 LDBplugin.lua: [+1 commit] gremlins at it again |
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| 05:21.26 | Torhal | Yssaril: Stab ze gremlins! |
| 05:24.05 | eidolarr | does anyone know how to use unix cu for real? |
| 05:28.32 | sylvanaar | cu? |
| 05:29.29 | sylvanaar | http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf |
| 05:29.35 | sylvanaar | =P |
| 05:30.56 | sylvanaar | i love it: |
| 05:30.56 | sylvanaar | The term âUnix securityâ is, almost by definition, an oxymoron because |
| 05:30.57 | sylvanaar | the Unix operating system was not designed to be secure, except for the |
| 05:30.57 | sylvanaar | vulnerable and ill-designed root/rootless distinction. |
| 05:32.21 | sylvanaar | just goes to show - propaganda + demagogy = the truth |
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| 05:35.57 | Shadowed | yay it's almost Monday |
| 05:36.01 | Shadowed | time for Curse syndication to get fixed soon |
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| 05:41.50 | rmk | Is anyone using TipTop? For whatever reason I cannot get it to show any detail when mousing over spells/abilities. |
| 05:42.36 | Torhal | Seerah: ^^ |
| 05:43.09 | rmk | I guess I could have directed it at Seerah :) |
| 05:43.36 | Torhal | I just pinged her so if she's around she'll see :) |
| 05:43.41 | Seerah | rmk: do you have "Enhanced Tooltips" disabled under Interface Options > Help? |
| 05:44.06 | rmk | rmk: That was it, thanks! |
| 05:44.09 | rmk | oops |
| 05:44.11 | Seerah | :) |
| 05:44.11 | rmk | Seerah: :) |
| 05:44.22 | rmk | I'll force that option on |
| 05:50.44 | rmk | Oddly it's being unset when I reloadui. I'm going to force it on via SetCVar(), but I wonder what is unsetting it. |
| 05:53.08 | quiescens | unix isn't that bad |
| 05:54.13 | quiescens | at least back when most things would work without needing admin type access |
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| 06:01.33 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r159 / (4 files in 2 directories): -implement a 4 second bar during threat transfer |
| 06:01.36 | Repo | -returns to the 30 sec cooldown bar after transfer |
| 06:04.28 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 043.1.1 beta4 * r160 : Tag as 3.1.1 beta4 |
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| 06:06.40 | Repo | 10autodungeonretry: 03Starinnia * r3 Core.lua: -minor tweak |
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| 06:21.22 | Primer | Some magnanimous person has created a German translation for my addon, but he tells me he can't update the file via svn |
| 06:21.57 | Primer | I was told repos were public. The koKR maintainer just updates his locale file without any intervention from me. |
| 06:22.14 | Primer | Or is it that every registered developer on wowace has access? |
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| 06:32.50 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 06:32.57 | Shadowed | GetGameTime() is a consistent? |
| 06:33.06 | Shadowed | or variable between people |
| 06:33.07 | dstufft | hm, can i cast a nil to a string in lua? |
| 06:33.11 | Shadowed | tostring |
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| 06:44.45 | Hjalte | Curse Client just picked up a bunch of updates |
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| 06:52.02 | KriLL3 | 23 here |
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| 06:54.23 | asmodai | it can't be |
| 06:54.26 | asmodai | in our timezone? :| |
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| 06:59.29 | Repo | 10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 07master * 0.5.0b-9-g595846d GoblinVendorFilter.lua: [+1 commit] lets not hook create frame |
| 06:59.59 | Yssaril | dstufft: tostring(nil) |
| 07:00.06 | Yssaril | lua> tostring(nil) |
| 07:00.09 | lua_bot | Yssaril: nil |
| 07:00.40 | asmodai | Now that's odd |
| 07:00.54 | asmodai | Either Routes or QuestHelper is causing that update/refresh issue |
| 07:01.30 | asmodai | (trade skill / ability skill gets learned, but stays in the frame, highlighted and in green, only changes when you click somewhere else in the window or scroll) |
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| 07:03.01 | asmodai | Mmm, seems to be QuestHelper |
| 07:05.01 | asmodai | Jups. Re-enabled all and it updates as expected, add QuestHelper and it introduces this weird bug. |
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| 07:09.32 | asmodai | ok, not quite, with about half of my addons loaded adding questhelper to the mix causes that. |
| 07:09.53 | asmodai | Is this some OnUpdate() hook or whatever that these addons hook into that causes this if a bunch of them do this? |
| 07:13.02 | asmodai | Also, if I have half loaded and then add QH, does this imply that QH has some issue or could another addon be the culprit causing problems for QH? |
| 07:14.35 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r6855 Citadel/Saurfang.lua: |
| 07:14.37 | Repo | Saurfang: Reworked the whole module, added a gazillion things, probably needs review. |
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| 07:18.44 | Hjalte | Seems like syncing isn't all up and running now. I don't see any of the later BigWigs alphas in the client. |
| 07:19.05 | Shadowed | asmodai what's the issue? |
| 07:21.17 | Shadowed | oh nevermind checked buffer |
| 07:21.22 | Hjalte | tekkub: GVS failed to show any costs at the frost vendor inside ICC today. I'm using version 3.2.0.4. |
| 07:21.27 | Shadowed | The fact that QuestHelper could beak something like that makes me scared |
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| 07:32.25 | KriLL3 | well isn't there some consensus on SOCD causing crashes? |
| 07:33.06 | KriLL3 | I thought addons at worse could just mess up themselves and throw bugs, had no idea they could throw wrenches into other addons, or the client itself |
| 07:33.53 | Hjalte | Oh yeah |
| 07:34.00 | Hjalte | Addons can break your game |
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| 07:38.32 | Repo | 10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r88 / (11 files in 2 directories): |
| 07:38.34 | Repo | - Added a confirmation box when you attempt to add the Confirm DE filter. (Endure the confirmation box here so you don't have to endure them later.) |
| 07:38.39 | Repo | - Added a Learned Item filter. Good for Recipes, Mounts, Pets, etc. |
| 07:38.44 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r6856 Citadel/Locales/deDE.lua: deDE update. |
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| 07:39.54 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/autodungeonretry/. AutoDungeonRetry. Starinnia (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 07:40.15 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/wowcrafting/. WoW Crafting. dstufft (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 07:45.40 | Hjalte | We tried out a new feral tank tonight. First of all he didn't have atk speed slow in his spec and he didn't seem to bother asking if anyone else was providing it. Second of all his rotation was all screwed up. When I tried to tell him what to do, He just answered me that he knew what to do, but that he would do as I asked because I was the raid leader. |
| 07:46.24 | Hjalte | I'm like Big Brother in 1984. I don't want people to just follow orders. They have to believe in them. Hopefully I can have him visit elitistjerks or at least watch the tankspot feral tank video. |
| 07:48.08 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r161 SMD_Timers.lua: -make the DisableMouse function file local |
| 07:50.40 | robotusch | *sigh* |
| 07:50.47 | robotusch | time to bid farewell to aguf I guess |
| 07:51.32 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r162 / (2 files in 1 directory): -tweak some upvalues |
| 07:51.38 | Hjalte | PB4 does a pretty decent job here. I do have a very good computer though. |
| 07:52.02 | robotusch | I think PB4 has too much stuff I don't need tho |
| 07:52.14 | robotusch | gonna try SUF and see what that's like |
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| 07:55.17 | Repo | 10autodungeonretry: 03Starinnia 041.0.0 * r4 : Tagging as 1.0.0 |
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| 08:10.55 | orionshock | they fix the curse syndication? |
| 08:11.15 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.4a-beta-1-gbdbbc41 ldb.lua: [+1 commit] fix loading methods for AltTracking in LDB module. |
| 08:11.23 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 04v6.3.4b-beta * 4fac6d1 /: [new tag] fix AltTracking loading in LDB module for both natural and AL load |
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| 08:13.11 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * cd2ea2f / (15 files in 2 directories): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. |
| 08:17.33 | Hjalte | orionshock: Yes. |
| 08:19.08 | orionshock | Hjalte: ? |
| 08:19.17 | Torhal | [03:10] <orionshock> they fix the curse syndication? |
| 08:19.25 | orionshock | ah nice |
| 08:19.30 | Hjalte | orionshock: At least the curse client is picking up updates :) |
| 08:19.32 | orionshock | tekkub: ping |
| 08:19.54 | orionshock | well it turned out that the animation system is still broken and hangs the client if left to run too long |
| 08:19.56 | orionshock | >.> |
| 08:20.09 | orionshock | that or it dosn't like to run timers for longer than about 40mins |
| 08:20.14 | Torhal | Hateful. :( |
| 08:21.29 | orionshock | ya, i used a timer in socd that was "until the end of the day" when dailies reset.. apparently this caused at least one wave of client crashes. |
| 08:21.40 | Shadowed | wow, they fixed syndication, and it's not even Monday |
| 08:21.44 | Shadowed | oh wait, technically it is |
| 08:21.45 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 04v3.0.3 * 01d9236 /: [new tag] Tagging as release 3.0.3 |
| 08:21.49 | KriLL3 | orionshock: too long string? |
| 08:22.15 | KriLL3 | a bit weird that a bug like that causes a client crash instead of a bug |
| 08:22.37 | Torhal | Now, if only I could figure out this weird MINOR system LibTourist is using. |
| 08:22.40 | KriLL3 | is SOCD safe now btw? |
| 08:22.44 | Shadowed | Torhal? |
| 08:22.52 | orionshock | KriLL3: yes |
| 08:23.00 | Torhal | Shadowed: local MINOR_VERSION = 90000 + tonumber(("$Revision: 94 $"):match("(%d+)")) |
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| 08:23.12 | orionshock | v6.3.4b is nicely stable |
| 08:23.19 | Shadowed | oh |
| 08:23.35 | Shadowed | That's because it used to be on the old wowace repo which was on shared SVN trunks and had a revision of 90000 |
| 08:23.38 | orionshock | Torhal: WoWAceSVN -> CurseForge System change over & Adaptation |
| 08:23.45 | Torhal | Any local modifications I do to it do not propogate to the game when I reload |
| 08:23.45 | Shadowed | the 90000 keeps it working even if they are using a version from wowace |
| 08:24.04 | steev_ | ugh |
| 08:24.14 | Torhal | Ok, and I assume the revision number is auto-magically updated when a commit is made? |
| 08:24.15 | steev_ | utterly and completely raped trying to tank toc10 |
| 08:24.18 | steev_ | er |
| 08:24.21 | steev_ | icc 10 |
| 08:24.27 | Shadowed | yes |
| 08:24.33 | Shadowed | assuming you have the svn keyword revision set |
| 08:24.34 | KriLL3 | steev_: errm, why? |
| 08:24.37 | orionshock | Torhal: yes, rev# + 90000 = minor |
| 08:24.49 | steev_ | KriLL3: i'd think my 20%- to dodge |
| 08:24.56 | Torhal | If it's default, I have it set - else, no. |
| 08:24.58 | steev_ | more specifically marrowgar raped me |
| 08:25.01 | steev_ | trash was fine |
| 08:25.01 | Shadowed | it's not then |
| 08:25.09 | kandarz | Torhal: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.advanced.props.special.keywords.html |
| 08:25.13 | steev_ | but marrowgar was just too much incoming damage too fast |
| 08:25.17 | KriLL3 | steev_: you're high on dodge? what HP do you have unbuffed? |
| 08:25.26 | steev_ | KriLL3: no, im low on dodge - 7% dodge |
| 08:25.31 | Shadowed | You could use @project-revision@ too which should work for SVN Torhal |
| 08:25.31 | Torhal | Still doesn't explain why local changes don't propogate. I checked all other copies of LibTourist in my AddOns dir and all are older than what I have |
| 08:25.32 | steev_ | unbuffed i have 37k |
| 08:25.36 | KriLL3 | that's low |
| 08:25.41 | Shadowed | according to docs |
| 08:25.42 | Torhal | Shadowed: Isn't my project :) |
| 08:25.44 | steev_ | i'm a dk *shrug* |
| 08:25.50 | KriLL3 | unbuffed I got 42k and 30k armor |
| 08:25.55 | Torhal | kandarz: Danke |
| 08:26.07 | steev_ | and you are a |
| 08:26.16 | KriLL3 | feral, and I have a total of 0 raid gear |
| 08:26.27 | steev_ | okay |
| 08:26.37 | steev_ | almost all my tank gear is ilevel 245, and gemmed for stam |
| 08:26.58 | steev_ | 245 is 25 mans - there's no way i should be so low on health that i can't tank a 10 man version |
| 08:27.52 | Hjalte | steev_: You did use two tanks on Marrowgar, right? |
| 08:28.04 | steev_ | Hjalte: yes |
| 08:28.12 | steev_ | and he got raped just as much as me |
| 08:28.22 | steev_ | once any of our cds are off we just take too much |
| 08:28.35 | steev_ | i should have logged out in my tank gear |
| 08:28.42 | Hjalte | You could have been unlucky with healers being impaled |
| 08:29.02 | steev_ | our best attempt was 58% |
| 08:29.19 | steev_ | and the other group that went tonight replaced their dk tank with a warrior tank *alt* |
| 08:30.03 | steev_ | the third group went with a druid and a pally tank and were just fine |
| 08:30.39 | steev_ | so, druid+warrior=okay, druid+pally=okay, druid+dk=fail, dk+dk=fail |
| 08:30.56 | steinowrk | You're just doing it wrong |
| 08:31.01 | steinowrk | :D |
| 08:31.06 | KriLL3 | steinowrk: YDIW |
| 08:31.13 | steev_ | thats what i figured |
| 08:31.15 | steinowrk | idd |
| 08:31.20 | steev_ | until they were failing as much as we were tonight |
| 08:31.22 | steev_ | actually |
| 08:31.24 | steev_ | they failed worse |
| 08:31.33 | steev_ | because they failed for 2 hours whereas we only failed for 1 |
| 08:31.55 | KriLL3 | ah I remember that feeling |
| 08:32.14 | KriLL3 | my old guild smashed our collective skulls against the brick wall that is BWL in vanilla |
| 08:32.14 | steev_ | we ended up giving up since we couldn't get anybody else to come |
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| 08:43.10 | KriLL3 | is there a way to stop your bars from changing on spec change? |
| 08:43.22 | KriLL3 | (swapping between 2 specs that is |
| 08:50.10 | orionshock | how do i get rid of this red boarder in PB4? it is on every buff |
| 08:50.13 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.13 | Wobin | KriLL3, Have the same skills in both specs =P |
| 08:53.23 | KriLL3 | no that doesn't fix it |
| 08:53.30 | KriLL3 | the actual bars change |
| 08:53.37 | Wobin | as opposed to? |
| 08:53.42 | orionshock | KriLL3: no that's a default behavior of the client |
| 08:53.50 | KriLL3 | I know, and I don't like it |
| 08:53.54 | Wobin | no I mean have the same skills in your actionbars in both specs |
| 08:53.58 | Wobin | use ABS |
| 08:54.03 | KriLL3 | I do |
| 08:54.07 | KriLL3 | but it's annoying |
| 08:54.10 | Wobin | so what's the difference? |
| 08:54.18 | Wobin | They're the same spells in the same spots |
| 08:54.26 | KriLL3 | if I do something with my bars I need to save and restore next time I swap spec etc |
| 08:55.04 | Wobin | what are you playing that you have the same spells in both specs? |
| 08:55.12 | KriLL3 | feral druid |
| 08:55.17 | Wobin | two dps specs? |
| 08:55.20 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 08:55.27 | KriLL3 | no |
| 08:55.36 | Wobin | cause I could swear bear and cat have different spells |
| 08:55.40 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 08:55.44 | KriLL3 | and our bars change when we shift form |
| 08:55.52 | Wobin | ah yes |
| 08:55.56 | Wobin | well, too bad =) |
| 08:56.13 | Wobin | cause as orionshock said, it's Blizz's behaviour and can't be changed |
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| 08:57.21 | odt | regarding ic10, managed to pug it with randoms yesterday. was first time there for everyone :) |
| 08:57.43 | odt | went with a priest/sham healer |
| 08:58.21 | asmodai | Shadowed: But, can I assume with these symptoms that it is QH though? |
| 09:01.30 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: on the wowinterface site |
| 09:01.42 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: That's where I got linked through from curse or wowace I think. |
| 09:04.37 | asmodai | Mikk: Yeah, LibWindow has a GetFrameType comparison, but shouldn't it also have a GetObjectType? |
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| 09:05.35 | Mikk | erm how the hell is that not erroring wildly now... |
| 09:05.39 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * e74152c / (2 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 09:05.41 | Repo | e74152c: Removed call to tooltip:SetAutoHideDelay() since I'm using a custom handler for that. |
| 09:05.42 | Repo | c025b26: Changed instance coords to have two decimal places. |
| 09:05.44 | Repo | ea112a4: Added LibDataBroker-1.1 entry to the embeds. |
| 09:05.49 | Mikk | didn't getframetype get taken out |
| 09:06.04 | Mikk | yes it did |
| 09:06.56 | Torhal | Wobin: Found the name, BTW. |
| 09:06.57 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:07.10 | Wobin | Torhal, what was it? |
| 09:07.14 | Wobin | ah |
| 09:07.16 | Wobin | nice |
| 09:07.27 | Mikk | asmodai: ahhh it's for the frame embedding.. i guess noone uses it since i've gotten no complaints. |
| 09:07.29 | Mikk | fixing now |
| 09:08.36 | asmodai | Mikk: Hehehe, or just nuke it altogether? :D |
| 09:08.54 | asmodai | Mikk: Well yea, but like nevcairiel said, not all sites are on the patch yet? I mean, TW and KO? |
| 09:09.39 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/travelagent/. TravelAgent. Torhal (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 09:09.42 | Torhal | >.> |
| 09:09.44 | Torhal | <,< |
| 09:09.48 | Antiarc | Is there any way to whisper cross-server people in a LFD pug? |
| 09:11.14 | CrazyBenny | you can whisper them while you'e grouped with them |
| 09:12.12 | CrazyBenny | I'm sure I was talking with few folks in pugs...not 100% sure they were from other realms tho |
| 09:13.01 | odt | you can whisper xrealm in bg's |
| 09:13.01 | odt | don't think it's any different |
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| 09:14.20 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 09:14.57 | KriLL3 | can whisper em while in the same group etc, but outside the dungeon you'll just see their locations on your map, can't see them since they're not on the same realm |
| 09:15.17 | KriLL3 | one of the reasons I thought ninjaing would become common, but it hasn't |
| 09:15.31 | KriLL3 | press need on something, leave party, tada can't be communicated with |
| 09:15.46 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03ananhaid * r6857 Citadel/Locales (2 files in 1 directory): BigWigs: |
| 09:15.48 | Repo | - zhCN/zhTW update. |
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| 09:17.16 | mitch0 | anyone good with gmail filters? I'd like to set a filter for all messages _not_ from a given address |
| 09:17.41 | KriLL3 | isn't it easier to just make the opposite? |
| 09:17.50 | KriLL3 | filter all from a certain address |
| 09:18.19 | mitch0 | I want to forward all messages to a google group, except those coming from the group (otherwise I get ugly mail loops) |
| 09:18.27 | mitch0 | don't ask me why I need this... |
| 09:20.16 | mitch0 | found it |
| 09:20.32 | KriLL3 | first thought that comes to mind is ! as in not |
| 09:20.57 | mitch0 | -frome { address } in the "has words" field :) |
| 09:21.04 | mitch0 | s/frome/from/ |
| 09:21.58 | mitch0 | except I need to use reply-to or somesuch... meh |
| 09:23.28 | KriLL3 | oh yay, occulus random |
| 09:29.32 | SunTsu | @describe travelagent |
| 09:29.34 | Repo | SunTsu: http://www.wowace.com/addons/travelagent/. TravelAgent. Gives detailed descriptions of particular localities, as zones or instances, and provides optional TomTom integration. |
| 09:30.14 | Antiarc | I haven't been able to whisper people in PUGs at all |
| 09:30.22 | Antiarc | I get "no such player" errors |
| 09:30.40 | asmodai | Antiarc: With cross-realm people? |
| 09:30.44 | Antiarc | yes |
| 09:30.49 | asmodai | That's odd |
| 09:30.54 | Antiarc | it works fine in BGs |
| 09:30.58 | Antiarc | No go in partiesw |
| 09:32.52 | asmodai | Could it be a local server issue? |
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| 09:36.32 | asmodai | Antiarc: Do you see incoming chat from people btw? |
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| 09:48.42 | sylvanaar | good morning |
| 09:50.11 | asmodai | Heya sylv |
| 09:50.18 | asmodai | I wonder who fixed that curse thing. |
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| 09:50.32 | asmodai | Or is a cronjob that notices weekend is over? ;) |
| 09:50.36 | sylvanaar | what curse thing |
| 09:50.50 | asmodai | sylvanaar: the client didn't get updated with the latest addon pushes |
| 09:51.06 | sylvanaar | im so thrilled they released a new tortoiseHg |
| 09:51.56 | sylvanaar | @the curse stuff: i'm sure they have some way to recover from this kind of thing |
| 09:52.52 | asmodai | sylvanaar: 0.9.1.1? or what was it? |
| 09:53.27 | sylvanaar | 0.9.1 |
| 09:53.38 | sylvanaar | merc 1.4.1 |
| 09:53.51 | asmodai | yeah, installed that yesterday |
| 09:53.55 | sylvanaar | but they cleaned up the interface a bit |
| 09:54.30 | sylvanaar | im happy i wrote those instructions on how to set it up - I had totally forgotten how |
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| 09:54.56 | Antiarc | asmodai: Yes, everything works normally besides whispers |
| 09:55.04 | Antiarc | Have you got it working, or is it a "it should work" scenario? |
| 09:55.12 | sylvanaar | whisper's dont work in groups? |
| 09:55.14 | asmodai | Antiarc: Haven't tried it yet to be honest. |
| 09:55.19 | Antiarc | Not in x-realm groups |
| 09:55.23 | Antiarc | Still works in BGs |
| 09:55.25 | sylvanaar | bah |
| 09:55.26 | Antiarc | I cannot get it to work in groups |
| 09:55.31 | Antiarc | No matter how many permutations I try |
| 09:55.36 | sylvanaar | default ui? |
| 09:55.44 | Antiarc | Very customized :P |
| 09:55.47 | Antiarc | But I do know what's in it. |
| 09:55.55 | Antiarc | I've tried SendChatMessage with a bunch of permutations |
| 09:56.04 | sylvanaar | wieds |
| 09:56.06 | sylvanaar | wierd |
| 09:56.22 | asmodai | weird too |
| 09:56.33 | Antiarc | It's very frustrating. |
| 09:56.40 | sylvanaar | do you have wholib installed? |
| 09:56.45 | sylvanaar | no, right |
| 09:56.55 | Antiarc | No |
| 09:57.05 | Antiarc | Whispers work in battlegrounds, work on-server |
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| 09:57.09 | Antiarc | Just don't work in x-server pugs |
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| 09:57.13 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 09:57.35 | sylvanaar | i'm not sure I ever tested in groups |
| 09:57.39 | Antiarc | I've tried Foo, Foo (*), Foo(*), Foo-Bar, Foo - Bar, Foo- Bar, Foo -Bar |
| 09:57.42 | Antiarc | None of them work |
| 09:58.36 | sylvanaar | if someone is running prat and wants to try - please do (though i think it'd be the same as chatter) |
| 09:59.52 | profalbert | whispering works with default UI? |
| 10:00.05 | sylvanaar | ?? |
| 10:00.08 | sylvanaar | no idea |
| 10:00.14 | Antiarc | profalbert: I dunno, I tried right-click -> whisper, doesn't work |
| 10:00.59 | sylvanaar | i so rarely use the default chat - that I almost dont care about it |
| 10:01.53 | asmodai | OK, so allow me to pluck your minds some more. |
| 10:02.31 | asmodai | If having all addons on, but not QuestHelper, and my TradeSkillFrame and ClassTrainerFrame work as they should, enabling QH and then I get this refresh/update problem when buying/learning a new skill |
| 10:02.32 | winkiller | Antiarc: tell me how if you find out.. "Foobar-Otherserver does not exist" is an error in Examiner I've always wanted to investigate. I bet it'srelated :) |
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| 10:02.59 | asmodai | What can it possibly be? What should I look for? Instinct says some OnUpdate() or OnRefresh() hook, but I don't know the API well enough yet. |
| 10:03.17 | Antiarc | winkiller: I think they just broke it |
| 10:03.29 | asmodai | And to be honest, what the heck is QH doing anyway with those 2 frames that it would require hooking in? |
| 10:03.30 | Antiarc | asmodai: Probably related to tooltips |
| 10:04.24 | asmodai | Antiarc: Oh really? I would seriously never have guessed that. I would not even have considered tooltips. |
| 10:04.40 | Antiarc | asmodai: they update every frame |
| 10:05.00 | Antiarc | So if an addon has a tooltip hook and you hover over an item or skill or something, it's going to run that every frame |
| 10:05.03 | Antiarc | It's a sneaky onupdate |
| 10:05.04 | asmodai | Ah, so they might stop the update process or stall it, unless I click in the frame again or scroll the bar of the frame? |
| 10:05.31 | Antiarc | I'm not sure. |
| 10:05.36 | asmodai | hmm |
| 10:06.43 | Antiarc | On an unrelated note |
| 10:06.48 | Antiarc | I found the worst player in WoW tonight |
| 10:07.03 | Antiarc | I was tanking a Gun'drak run, and the DK kept asking me to slow down pulls so he could get more mana. |
| 10:07.19 | asmodai | mana? :| |
| 10:07.36 | asmodai | Be joking? |
| 10:07.36 | KriLL3 | clearly something horribly wrong has happened inside that skull |
| 10:07.45 | Antiarc | I'm not joking. |
| 10:07.47 | Antiarc | I just ignored him. |
| 10:08.12 | SunTsu | Antiarc: You should have hinted on him that he is low on spell power |
| 10:08.15 | asmodai | KriLL3: How's your stability btw? |
| 10:08.18 | KriLL3 | I'm a speed tank, I pull/charge the next group when we're 25% on the current as long as I'm sure I've spam swiped or zerk manged enough to keep aggro |
| 10:08.22 | KriLL3 | asmodai: 100% |
| 10:08.29 | KriLL3 | seems it might have been SOCD |
| 10:08.43 | KriLL3 | *mangled |
| 10:08.54 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I use that, too, and it's one of the things I never turned off |
| 10:09.01 | KriLL3 | weird |
| 10:09.02 | asmodai | Antiarc: Strange thing is, when I disable all other addons and only use QH, it works as intended. Enable half of my addons it still works as intended, add QH to that half and *bewm* |
| 10:09.24 | KriLL3 | yeah sounds like SOCD and QH interacted with other addons or something |
| 10:09.34 | SunTsu | I absolutely will kick it tonight and see if my problems go away without it |
| 10:09.46 | asmodai | SOCD? |
| 10:09.51 | KriLL3 | sick of clicking dailies |
| 10:09.55 | asmodai | ah, don't use that one |
| 10:09.59 | KriLL3 | there is a newer version out that supposedly fixes it |
| 10:10.12 | KriLL3 | I got it enabled and no issues so far |
| 10:10.15 | KriLL3 | I got QH off though, don't need that one |
| 10:10.17 | asmodai | But I wonder if my weird behaviour might also be a trigger for the problems you guys have |
| 10:10.18 | SunTsu | KriLL3: addon memory does not seem to be the problem, because it crashes the same whether my addons use up 40mb or 130 |
| 10:10.36 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: yeah I'm starting to think it was some addons interacting |
| 10:10.57 | KriLL3 | though the notion of using less than you used to is still sound, less chance of said interactions |
| 10:11.04 | asmodai | Heh |
| 10:11.15 | KriLL3 | I used both SOCD and QH |
| 10:11.24 | KriLL3 | now I use the new SOCD and don't use QH |
| 10:11.28 | asmodai | Lets see if I reduce my paste of addons to what half I had enabled when QH caused issues. |
| 10:12.11 | SunTsu | I never used QH |
| 10:13.00 | asmodai | ok, that would rule that out |
| 10:14.32 | KriLL3 | I don't use it often, but it's partially loaded or something when you just disable it from the map |
| 10:14.53 | KriLL3 | I got it turned off properly now |
| 10:14.55 | asmodai | Can I assume if I start with all disabled but QH and then add a few addons at a time to test it, I would get the conflicting addon at one point? |
| 10:15.12 | KriLL3 | yes, though that might take ages |
| 10:15.37 | KriLL3 | and there might be more than one addon that conflicts, or perhaps even 2 or more interacting on it |
| 10:15.58 | KriLL3 | safest course imo is to not use QH until the author fixes it |
| 10:17.05 | asmodai | KriLL3: Well, I already reduced my list of addons to about half before the problem occurs, so I think I got a reasonable chance. |
| 10:17.20 | KriLL3 | I'm using about 4/5 of what I used to |
| 10:17.31 | KriLL3 | not using QH and some redundant ones |
| 10:17.50 | asmodai | Just haven't tried the QH enabled and add addons way yet. Was already happy to find out it was QH at one point that caused said problems. |
| 10:18.15 | KriLL3 | does atlasloot require atlas installed? redundant with Yssaril's boss loot imo |
| 10:18.32 | asmodai | Mmm |
| 10:18.48 | asmodai | Not sure, I think I did not notice a dependency disabler when I messed with addons this morning. |
| 10:18.52 | KriLL3 | and the ingame maps are better anyway imo |
| 10:18.56 | asmodai | Is Boss Loot better than Atlas? |
| 10:19.03 | KriLL3 | not quite the same |
| 10:19.12 | KriLL3 | it shows boss locations on the default maps, and their loot |
| 10:19.27 | KriLL3 | though atlasloot is better for loot since it has marks etc ofc |
| 10:19.44 | KriLL3 | I never used atlas much anyway though |
| 10:20.28 | KriLL3 | and at this point I know all the heroics, there was a few I hadn't done much in the past, but now I know em all |
| 10:21.19 | KriLL3 | is mobinfo redundant now? |
| 10:21.30 | KriLL3 | (used to show HP of enemies etc) |
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| 10:24.22 | KriLL3 | all I need now is an addon that shows a line of arrows on the default instance map with the route between bosses, I know em but would be useful for instances I haven't done in ages |
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| 10:28.26 | KriLL3 | why is there always one guy in the random tool that doesn't accept |
| 10:28.39 | KriLL3 | I'm guessing it's the same damn guy every time |
| 10:28.56 | KriLL3 | if you don't accept you shouldn't be allowed to use the tool again for 1-2 mins |
| 10:29.15 | profalbert | you should get the 15 min cooldown imho |
| 10:33.06 | quiescens | presumably they get put at the bottom of the list |
| 10:34.46 | asmodai | KriLL3: Have you even found a working mobinfo? |
| 10:35.00 | asmodai | KriLL3: Both 2 and 3 had issues with recent wows last time I tried. |
| 10:35.01 | KriLL3 | I had "3" |
| 10:35.08 | KriLL3 | dunno if it did anything |
| 10:35.10 | asmodai | KriLL3: Plus most of it is quite redudant nowadays. |
| 10:35.22 | asmodai | hp is gotten from the game |
| 10:35.22 | KriLL3 | yeah guessed so |
| 10:35.24 | asmodai | so that leaves only drop info? |
| 10:36.37 | KriLL3 | which I didn't use it for anyway |
| 10:37.02 | asmodai | right |
| 10:37.08 | asmodai | I haven't used it for months now |
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| 10:46.15 | asmodai | So I am quite surprised to find Xinhuan's name in the CombatLog.lua from Blizzard. Did he help design the new one? |
| 10:46.21 | asmodai | (Back from 2.3 to 2.4) |
| 10:46.52 | KriLL3 | everyquest just threw a bug |
| 10:47.09 | asmodai | KriLL3: Alpha or? |
| 10:47.20 | KriLL3 | latest in the client |
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| 10:48.02 | KriLL3 | http://pastebin.com/d352c6322 |
| 10:48.04 | asmodai | KriLL3: r117 I guess then? |
| 10:48.13 | KriLL3 | correct |
| 10:48.37 | asmodai | I know kandarz had added some sorting. |
| 10:48.38 | KriLL3 | I turned in "For Great Honor" (one of every marks -> honor) and it failed to find it's category |
| 10:49.35 | KriLL3 | not a biggy, just thought someone wanted to know |
| 10:50.15 | asmodai | KriLL3: File a ticket for kandarz ? |
| 10:50.23 | KriLL3 | need more of a hint than that |
| 10:50.31 | asmodai | KriLL3: How do you mean? |
| 10:50.39 | KriLL3 | how do I file a ticket? |
| 10:50.42 | KriLL3 | and where? |
| 10:50.56 | asmodai | http://www.wowace.com/addons/everyquest/tickets/ |
| 10:51.25 | asmodai | Can just sign in with a curse account. |
| 10:54.26 | kandarz | What bug? |
| 10:54.42 | asmodai | kandarz: http://pastebin.com/d352c6322 |
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| 10:55.04 | kandarz | KriLL3: what quest were you trying to turn in? |
| 10:55.20 | KriLL3 | "For Greater Honor" |
| 10:55.25 | KriLL3 | just made a ticket |
| 10:55.48 | kandarz | k |
| 10:56.20 | Wobin | ... |
| 10:56.27 | Wobin | lfd has spoiled me |
| 10:56.37 | KriLL3 | in what way? |
| 10:56.38 | Wobin | this guild run is so fucking slow |
| 10:56.41 | Wobin | rrr |
| 10:56.43 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 10:56.53 | Wobin | I'm ready to choke a bitch |
| 10:56.55 | asmodai | Wait, a PUG being better than your guild run? ;) |
| 10:56.57 | KriLL3 | you mean the actual run or the setup before hand? |
| 10:57.13 | Wobin | we've spent the last 5 min waiting for a pally to figure out pally power |
| 10:57.15 | KriLL3 | like forming the party, getting 2 guys to the stone, etc |
| 10:57.18 | Wobin | so he can cast kings on -everyone- |
| 10:57.23 | KriLL3 | lol |
| 10:57.37 | KriLL3 | sounds somewhat redudant |
| 10:58.00 | asmodai | It is sort of unfair that LFD does a teleport whereas normal runs require assembling by the stone first before you can summon. :( |
| 10:58.09 | Wobin | it's an hour into the run |
| 10:58.09 | KriLL3 | if I'm 42k hp unbuffed getting more stam gems is more or less pointless right? |
| 10:58.15 | Wobin | and our second attempt at razuvious |
| 10:58.29 | kandarz | Krill3: ah I see, no way to get the quest category if it never appears in the quest log, tis why category is nil |
| 10:58.41 | asmodai | Oh man, this 2.3 Combatlog is scary. The amount of magic numbers Blizzard used in their code :| |
| 10:58.44 | KriLL3 | kandarz: and it throws an error at nil? |
| 10:59.05 | kandarz | didn't add tostring(category) :/ |
| 10:59.10 | odt | asmodai: btw, you don't need to run to the dungeon with your normal group |
| 10:59.15 | odt | i figured it out the day lfd launched |
| 10:59.20 | asmodai | odt: Eh? |
| 10:59.28 | odt | you have your group ready, then use the lfd tool and specify dungeon |
| 10:59.36 | odt | everyone will be ported |
| 10:59.40 | asmodai | Oh, hah, that's cool. |
| 10:59.41 | KriLL3 | nice |
| 10:59.46 | KriLL3 | does that work for raids also? |
| 10:59.50 | odt | no |
| 10:59.52 | asmodai | I can only hope that's supposed to work as designed. |
| 10:59.52 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 11:00.03 | KriLL3 | how much dodge should a tank have? |
| 11:00.06 | KriLL3 | feral I might add |
| 11:00.08 | yoshimo | asmodai , what is a "magic number"? |
| 11:00.17 | odt | KriLL3: i run with 44% |
| 11:00.26 | odt | but i'm unsure in icc10 |
| 11:00.31 | asmodai | yoshimo: Instead of using a properly named variable with said number, you just use that value everywhere. |
| 11:00.33 | odt | yesterday i did just fine as MT with that dodge |
| 11:00.41 | KriLL3 | odt: I'm 42k hp unbuffed, 30k armor and 37.49% dodge, you think I should get more dodge? |
| 11:00.44 | asmodai | yoshimo: Leaving you to guess just what the number correlates to |
| 11:00.58 | yoshimo | security by obscurity or lazyness? |
| 11:01.02 | odt | KriLL3: i have same stats pretty much... |
| 11:01.04 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r118 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 11:01.06 | Repo | Fix Writing Unknowns to the DB that never appeared in the quest log |
| 11:01.19 | odt | just more dodge now, with using the dodge trinket |
| 11:01.22 | KriLL3 | sitting here wondering what gem to put on my new shoulders |
| 11:01.33 | KriLL3 | 20 agi? |
| 11:01.47 | asmodai | yoshimo: laziness typically |
| 11:02.00 | odt | 20 agi is always a good choice |
| 11:02.06 | KriLL3 | I'm fairly certain a lot of blizz's coders are on drugs |
| 11:02.07 | kandarz | Krill3: have you tried the new sorting stuff yet? |
| 11:02.14 | KriLL3 | kandarz: nope |
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| 11:08.53 | KriLL3 | no jewelcrafters awake yet, lazy bastards |
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| 11:10.44 | SunTsu | KriLL3: They make enough gold with it that they can sleep late ;) |
| 11:10.56 | FtH|Daemona | Broker_LFD is fun... its noon and the wait times are: Tank 14sec, Heal 3.6min, DPS 8.9min |
| 11:11.19 | KriLL3 | I'm tank, never have to wait |
| 11:11.34 | KriLL3 | takes more time that some idiots don't accept than actual queuing |
| 11:11.36 | FtH|Daemona | thats why you can't have a jewelcrafter now. |
| 11:11.52 | KriLL3 | I wish the window to accept was much shorter |
| 11:12.03 | FtH|Daemona | haha, just now i was that idiot, because i was on irc >:( 10 minutes down the drain |
| 11:12.13 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 11:12.35 | KriLL3 | spec tank, no waiting =P |
| 11:13.03 | FtH|Daemona | You spec a rogue tank, i'll copy the template if it works. |
| 11:13.08 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 11:13.13 | KriLL3 | well evasion... |
| 11:13.44 | SunTsu | Having seen a bear tank in CoT: Stratholme, putting up 4k dps made me want to play my feral again, but I fear it's really too much behind on equipment now |
| 11:14.01 | FtH|Daemona | yeah at least you don't need a healer then, because a) anything that lives longer than evasion uptime will gib me anyway b) 5 dps, go |
| 11:16.00 | yoshimo | is there a simple script which reveals all unitaura returnvalues for the buff i have my cursor on? |
| 11:17.32 | orionshock | so the authors of DBM made another shitty addon i just found out about (prolly old news) - it's called DPM |
| 11:17.35 | KriLL3 | I don't need a healer in most instances anyway |
| 11:17.52 | KriLL3 | mobs with magical dmg hit me for more than the bosses' physical attacks |
| 11:18.13 | KriLL3 | 200-1k dmg, imp lotp heals a lot more than that |
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| 11:19.40 | FtH|Daemona | orionshock deadly pron mod? |
| 11:19.48 | KriLL3 | I've run instances where the healer specs dps and just throws a hot at from time to time |
| 11:20.14 | odt | yeah, tanking with 50k in 5mans gives some playing room |
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| 11:20.27 | KriLL3 | I'm 52k if there is a priest =P |
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| 11:20.42 | KriLL3 | 30k armor, more with my trinket proc etc |
| 11:21.01 | orionshock | FtH|Daemona: "Deadly PvP Mods" ? just another poorly written addon by bad authors. |
| 11:21.07 | orionshock | kinda like gearscore |
| 11:21.13 | orionshock | great idea, bad implementation |
| 11:21.20 | KriLL3 | orionshock: you mean the module of deadly boss mods? |
| 11:21.29 | asmodai | Sounds like a Deadly Boss Mods name ripoff |
| 11:21.41 | yoshimo | i think there is an extra mod for wintergrasp thats named like that |
| 11:21.52 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 11:21.59 | KriLL3 | there is a pvp module in DBM, that's crap also |
| 11:22.09 | KriLL3 | got it turned off and use capping |
| 11:22.18 | orionshock | i think DPM is by the DBM authors... that's the sad thing |
| 11:22.40 | KriLL3 | errm is that just a standalone version of the module? |
| 11:22.42 | orionshock | KriLL3: don't tell us that you use DBM?? your in the wowace channel using DBM? |
| 11:22.53 | KriLL3 | orionshock: what would I be using else? |
| 11:23.00 | orionshock | BigWigs |
| 11:23.02 | orionshock | ofc |
| 11:23.04 | KriLL3 | never heard of |
| 11:23.12 | yoshimo | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/deadly-pvp-mods.aspx , this is it ;) |
| 11:23.13 | orionshock | ~lart KriLL3 |
| 11:23.13 | purl | whips out his power stapler and staples KriLL3's foot to the floor |
| 11:23.23 | orionshock | @describe bigwigs |
| 11:23.25 | Repo | orionshock: No project found that matches 'bigwigs' |
| 11:23.28 | orionshock | @describe big-wigs |
| 11:23.29 | Repo | orionshock: http://www.wowace.com/addons/big-wigs/. BigWigs Bossmods. Modular, lightweight, non-intrusive approach to boss encounter warnings. |
| 11:23.50 | KriLL3 | is it decent? |
| 11:23.52 | FtH|Daemona | goddamn this random client freezing is annoying |
| 11:24.02 | KriLL3 | FtH|Daemona: I don't have that anymore |
| 11:24.13 | KriLL3 | or do you mean a stutter that resolves itself? |
| 11:24.15 | orionshock | KriLL3: eh, made by some of the best authors (IMO) around |
| 11:24.27 | orionshock | FtH|Daemona: you use SIckOfClickingDailies ? |
| 11:24.31 | KriLL3 | orionshock: I've never used it, so I wouldn't know |
| 11:24.37 | KriLL3 | FtH|Daemona: or questhelper |
| 11:24.52 | yoshimo | its missing a few warnings vor saurfang still, but that happens for each new raidinstance |
| 11:25.07 | yoshimo | *for saurfang, german in there... |
| 11:25.12 | KriLL3 | I'm not raiding as of yet |
| 11:25.24 | *** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=503f4262@gateway/web/freenode/x-wwutmnlvkqdgmkoy) |
| 11:25.31 | Fisker- | btw fix my damn addon sync |
| 11:25.32 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 11:25.44 | yoshimo | KriLL3, we have warnings for 5mans as well in littlewigs ;) |
| 11:25.44 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: seems to work now |
| 11:25.49 | Fisker- | yay KriLL3 |
| 11:25.50 | KriLL3 | got 23 addon updates this morning |
| 11:25.54 | Fisker- | any news on freezing? |
| 11:26.01 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: seems it was SOCD |
| 11:26.08 | KriLL3 | or QH, or both |
| 11:26.10 | Fisker- | i knew it |
| 11:26.14 | Fisker- | i don't use QH |
| 11:26.14 | orionshock | KriLL3 Fisker - it was Not SOCD |
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| 11:26.22 | orionshock | get this straight |
| 11:26.30 | Fisker- | your mother orionshock ? |
| 11:26.30 | KriLL3 | orionshock: weird, works fine with it turned off, or updated |
| 11:26.35 | yoshimo | i dont think it was some specific addon, we compared addonlists and found nothing in common |
| 11:26.40 | KriLL3 | I'm not blaming you, just saying |
| 11:26.41 | orionshock | SOCD was not the cause. Yet Another GLITCH in blizzards Animation system was the cause |
| 11:26.47 | FtH|Daemona | uuh i happen to use questhelper from time to time yes |
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| 11:26.53 | FtH|Daemona | *checks if its loaded* |
| 11:26.55 | FtH|Daemona | yes its loaded |
| 11:26.56 | KriLL3 | orionshock: wha? |
| 11:27.06 | KriLL3 | FtH|Daemona: kill it, kill it with fire |
| 11:27.13 | Fisker- | Get blizzard to ban your addon orionshock |
| 11:27.25 | orionshock | KriLL3: I used the Animation system to run 2 timers, aparently a timer that runs for about 40mins locks up the system |
| 11:27.32 | KriLL3 | orionshock: ah |
| 11:27.53 | orionshock | FtH|Daemona: yea, QH is for people that can't quest... surely your not one of /them/ ? |
| 11:27.54 | KriLL3 | as said, I don't blame you, just saying that the old version of SOCD caused crashes, even if it was blizzard's fault |
| 11:27.58 | Fisker- | ah well atleast i weren't crazy then |
| 11:28.21 | Fisker- | i tried QH again |
| 11:28.29 | Fisker- | and with built-in objectives = meh |
| 11:28.44 | orionshock | .. Lightheaded, all i really need |
| 11:28.45 | Fisker- | The only thing i want right now is an objectives-enabled map without the panels |
| 11:28.48 | asmodai | http://www.dreyx.com/2009/12/lamborghini-ankonian.html <- really looks like the Batmobile, no? :) |
| 11:29.11 | orionshock | Fisker-: ask nevcairiel if he'd add that to mapster |
| 11:29.13 | FtH|Daemona | i rather prefer autopiloting through stuff than doing it conciously a 5th time ;) |
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| 11:29.30 | FtH|Daemona | and i am one of the bads that repeatedly forgets you can enable addons for a single char |
| 11:29.32 | orionshock | FtH|Daemona: TourGuide is for you then :) |
| 11:30.01 | FtH|Daemona | i was rather talking about shortest route for x daily quests et similar |
| 11:30.25 | orionshock | my main bitch and moan is that QH has a metric ass huge database that it loads when you only need 5% of it |
| 11:30.53 | Fisker- | one thing that sucks a bit about WoW's system is that it bugs up with indirect quests |
| 11:31.01 | Fisker- | well i don't know if you can call it a bug |
| 11:31.12 | asmodai | sylvanaar: Which brings me to CensusPlus, it loads the whole database in memory, doesn't it? |
| 11:31.15 | Fisker- | But it won't tell you kill X if you only gain a reagent to get the quest item |
| 11:31.24 | Fisker- | For example the helboar meat quest in outland |
| 11:31.37 | orionshock | FtH|Daemona: well, for daily quests, i've been doing those for 4.5yrs so.. that's all auto-magic to begin with. |
| 11:31.52 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: well the inbuilt objectives aren't very complete |
| 11:31.58 | KriLL3 | and I don't like the UI |
| 11:32.03 | Fisker- | You've done daily quest since before they existed orionshock ? ;3 |
| 11:32.03 | FtH|Daemona | i wonder how qh can make me disconnect with no quest but the weekly raid one in the tracker |
| 11:32.13 | KriLL3 | wish they could just add the pins and have details on mouseover, instead of the stupid side and bottom bar |
| 11:32.17 | orionshock | feels like it Fisker |
| 11:32.23 | Fisker- | :P |
| 11:32.36 | KriLL3 | someone make it happen =P |
| 11:32.52 | Fisker- | yes |
| 11:32.54 | Fisker- | nevcairiel: |
| 11:32.54 | SunTsu | orionshock: when did you fix this timer? |
| 11:32.57 | Fisker- | you've got work to do |
| 11:32.57 | KriLL3 | also smaller pins |
| 11:33.01 | Fisker- | yes KriLL3 |
| 11:33.02 | Fisker- | also that |
| 11:33.03 | Fisker- | :D |
| 11:33.07 | orionshock | FtH|Daemona: wow is single threaded. if it spends X amount of time on the "Loading Addon's" thread and can't get to the "respond to server" thread fast enough, you get a d/c |
| 11:33.26 | FtH|Daemona | it's happening while i am doing a 5man and a mob dies |
| 11:33.29 | FtH|Daemona | repeatedly ;) |
| 11:33.36 | orionshock | SunTsu: v6.3.4b |
| 11:33.40 | Fisker- | They really should fix this ;_; |
| 11:33.59 | Fisker- | But it's probably too big an overhaul for WoW |
| 11:34.07 | Fisker- | Given it's potential issues and cost |
| 11:34.50 | SunTsu | orionshock: thanks. "Version: v6.3.3e-beta-1-g5986cc1" - so I really should update today ;) |
| 11:34.50 | FtH|Daemona | they simply should have left out the voice chat and just put the time into a different team to work on multi-threading for the next expansion (not patch, expansion) |
| 11:34.53 | orionshock | IMO they should just take the top 12 addon authors between curse/wowi and have them make a new UI and API for wow4 |
| 11:35.19 | Elkano | more work for me? oh great... :/ |
| 11:35.26 | asmodai | Yes, we'll spam Elkano |
| 11:35.33 | Fisker- | Germans don't count Elkano |
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| 11:36.23 | Adirelle|work | hello there |
| 11:36.24 | orionshock | SunTsu: basic recommendation for me and addons: Stick to release, otherwise ride the alpha's with automagic curseclient |
| 11:36.48 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824295858&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 <-fail |
| 11:37.15 | SunTsu | orionshock: I don't have curse client, I follow files.rss and update by hand now and then |
| 11:37.23 | Adirelle|work | I'm having trouble to embed files from remote repositories (github.com), it seems the packager is failing to check them out, does anyone have some information about this ? |
| 11:37.46 | SunTsu | funny thing is, SOCD is the only thing I didn't update during the last days, because I am not doing dailies so much |
| 11:37.48 | orionshock | SunTsu: then stick to release |
| 11:38.05 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: link to repo that's failing? |
| 11:38.25 | Fisker- | btw what were you doing with that animation timer thing? |
| 11:38.32 | Adirelle|work | orionshock, git://github.com/Adirelle/LibMovable-1.0.git |
| 11:38.57 | orionshock | Fisker-: one was to update the LDB text the other to track the end of the day to prune the quests from the log |
| 11:39.07 | Adirelle|work | and haste's oUF too |
| 11:39.08 | KriLL3 | I'm for the new UI idea, though they should pay ofc |
| 11:39.11 | Fisker- | oh ok |
| 11:39.15 | KriLL3 | the default UI is laughably bad |
| 11:39.20 | orionshock | tbh im sure one could reproduce the glitch by leaving your glyph frame open |
| 11:39.21 | KriLL3 | unit frames especially |
| 11:39.31 | Fisker- | I actually just want that to be as it is |
| 11:39.34 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: & the one on wowace/cf? |
| 11:39.40 | sylvanaar | asmodai um - yes |
| 11:39.55 | Adirelle|work | orionshock, wait what ? |
| 11:39.58 | sylvanaar | asmodai it has to - doesnt it |
| 11:40.00 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: something in between the default ui and SUF/Pitbull would be nice |
| 11:40.17 | asmodai | sylvanaar: I wonder if it could be optimized somehow |
| 11:40.21 | Fisker- | Well movement and such they could easily enable |
| 11:40.35 | Fisker- | Maybe give people some tags as well or something |
| 11:40.46 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: you said "the packager" i assume you have a project here that is not packaging the external files properly? what project? |
| 11:40.49 | Fisker- | But stuff i'd like to see is more work with the combat log |
| 11:40.57 | sylvanaar | asmodai maybe - but my opinion is that if you run it - you kinda just know its going to use some resources |
| 11:41.00 | Fisker- | giev built-in damage meter |
| 11:41.07 | Adirelle|work | orionshock, oh: oUF_Adirelle (still waiting for approval) |
| 11:41.15 | orionshock | link? |
| 11:41.16 | Fisker- | Though it'd probably have to be serverside to not kill all computers |
| 11:41.26 | Adirelle|work | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ouf_adirelle/ |
| 11:41.32 | Fisker- | Because i'm thinking more of a world of logs report-like thing |
| 11:42.26 | sylvanaar | asmodai i suppose it could be optimized - but it'd be more work that its worth - since you need to also upload all the data |
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| 11:43.17 | Fisker- | Another thing the UI guys should do is remake the loot system |
| 11:43.26 | Fisker- | 3 minutes to decided in a rollbox isn't my preference |
| 11:43.28 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: that looks catagorically broken... u double check the addresses? |
| 11:43.31 | Fisker- | to be* |
| 11:43.40 | Fisker- | And of course the damn guild ui :P |
| 11:44.10 | Fisker- | Also give a white/blacklist system without having to fall back on the friend and ignore system |
| 11:44.32 | airtonix | Fisker, would you prefer 3secs to decide on loot? oh didn't make a choice too bad its totally gone now... muwaha |
| 11:44.33 | asmodai | sylvanaar: True |
| 11:44.53 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: git checkout git://github.com/Adirelle/LibMovable-1.0.git --Failed |
| 11:44.55 | orionshock | ? |
| 11:45.54 | Fisker- | naw airtonix rather i'd just want the loot box to be less intrusive, and be usable all over the instance |
| 11:46.00 | Adirelle|work | same with git clone :p ? |
| 11:46.18 | KriLL3 | I thought need before green would be default in PUGs? |
| 11:46.18 | Fisker- | So we wouldn't have to use masterlooter to send items to other people while they're running off to clear trash |
| 11:46.27 | Fisker- | it is in random pugs KriLL3 |
| 11:46.31 | KriLL3 | no it isn't |
| 11:46.35 | Fisker- | yes it is |
| 11:46.36 | KriLL3 | I get need buttons on plate |
| 11:46.46 | Adirelle|work | orionshock, I admit I neved tested the public github URLs |
| 11:46.48 | KriLL3 | or does the button not work? |
| 11:46.55 | Fisker- | it should say "Cannot roll" |
| 11:46.59 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 11:46.59 | Fisker- | if you're not eligible |
| 11:47.09 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: clone works, but not checkout |
| 11:47.12 | Fisker- | and by that i mean on mouseover |
| 11:47.13 | orionshock | odd |
| 11:47.13 | KriLL3 | thought the need button would be grayed out |
| 11:47.19 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 11:47.27 | Fisker- | But the need before greed system is kinda flaky imo |
| 11:47.37 | Adirelle|work | gonna ping tekkub then |
| 11:47.58 | Fisker- | For example as a melee rogue i can roll on healing gear |
| 11:48.05 | Fisker- | melee rogue? :P |
| 11:48.23 | SunTsu | in contradiction to the more common caster rogues |
| 11:48.28 | winkiller | Fisker-: we have deadly throw! |
| 11:48.31 | orionshock | Adirelle|work: he's afk |
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| 11:58.04 | Fisker- | he's afk? |
| 11:58.09 | Fisker- | I don't think "he" is |
| 12:03.16 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg * r161 / (2 files in 1 directory): Bump version number to 1.5.3. |
| 12:04.30 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03TrAsHeR * r2464 Locales/constants.fr.lua: frFR update |
| 12:08.10 | Adirelle|work | orionshock, btw git-checkout is meant to switch branches, unlike svn checkout |
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| 12:11.35 | SunTsu | orionshock: you want git clone git://github.com/Adirelle/LibMovable-1.0.git |
| 12:11.46 | SunTsu | orionshock: afterwards it's git pull |
| 12:14.11 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Saw this: |
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| 12:14.13 | asmodai | Nvidia's partners are in trouble, and itâs not an isolated case. They depend on good sales of high-end cards and this part of the market is nonexistent at this time. You simply cannot buy any high-end GT200 based chips from Nvidia and this is something that has been occurring since August. |
| 12:14.19 | asmodai | To further clarify, some partners might actually go under. We donât want to name any names at this point, but particularly in Europe, some big names might disappear waiting for Fermi. |
| 12:15.27 | asmodai | Followed by: |
| 12:15.39 | asmodai | We received an interesting comment noting that some partners who might be in financial troubles are likely in these positions due to their long-term financial struggles and not due to Nvidiaâs high-end shortage. |
| 12:15.43 | asmodai | Nvidia claims that it sold all chips and has very little to sell. Some partners like Palit and its child companies can even get a holy grail of unavailability, the mighty GT200. |
| 12:19.51 | asmodai | It's funny in a sense that newer ATI cards come from TSMC and NVIDIA's come as well. And both have had wafer yield problems. |
| 12:23.11 | dstufft | is there any good debug library? atm im just using a MyAddon.debug = true/false and a self:PrintDebug that is a wrapper around self:Print that only prints if self.debug is true |
| 12:25.13 | FtH|Daemona | goddamnmotherfuckingfreezingwowbugscrewyourselfandiamnotloadingquesthelperorsickofclickingdailies... |
| 12:25.29 | FtH|Daemona | i can't even login anymore |
| 12:26.10 | FtH|Daemona | reboot tut gut (rebooting does good) |
| 12:26.23 | Kalroth | emo rogue is emo |
| 12:26.41 | SunTsu | Damn, I think I'm sitting right next to Dilbert's Wally |
| 12:29.20 | FtH|Daemona | no idead what they fucked up, it started when i renamed a char of mine, coincidence? |
| 12:30.34 | Kalroth | FtH|Daemona: have you cleaned your cache and WTF folder? It might be references to the old character name or something? |
| 12:30.43 | Kalroth | (clean, not delete :) |
| 12:31.05 | FtH|Daemona | guess i am going to do a broad search and replace -.- |
| 12:31.44 | Repo | 10amc: 03arith * r56 Locale/amc_zhTW.lua: zhTW update |
| 12:31.58 | asmodai | pats FtH|Daemona |
| 12:33.31 | SunTsu | FtH|Daemona: You could aways move everything out of the way to check beforehand |
| 12:35.57 | FtH|Daemona | wtf is badaddons.wcf? |
| 12:36.07 | Kalroth | Blizzards addon shitlist |
| 12:36.14 | Kalroth | they've only used it for 1 addon so far |
| 12:38.32 | FtH|Daemona | i hate when that happens... |
| 12:38.44 | FtH|Daemona | renaming cache, wdb, wtf and interface solves the problem. |
| 12:38.51 | FtH|Daemona | here we go step by step fixing... |
| 12:39.11 | Bribri | sounds like truckloads of fun |
| 12:39.12 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r634 Locales/frFR.lua: Update frFR locale |
| 12:39.59 | FtH|Daemona | no corrupt cache |
| 12:40.02 | FtH|Daemona | \o/ |
| 12:43.25 | sylvanaar | FtH|Daemona is it badaddons or baddons? |
| 12:44.06 | FtH|Daemona | throws some Windows ME at sylvanaar. |
| 12:44.28 | asmodai | heh |
| 12:44.35 | sylvanaar | throws some MacOS 7 at FtH|Daemona |
| 12:44.35 | asmodai | just CDs or complete products packs? |
| 12:44.55 | FtH|Daemona | the whole machines, for better impact... |
| 12:45.06 | FtH|Daemona | so, obviously its an addon -.- |
| 12:46.05 | FtH|Daemona | so who wants to be at fault? Antiarc with Badboy and Chatter? the BigWigs Team? Shadowed? *sigh* |
| 12:46.35 | FtH|Daemona | time for some split and conquer as my algorithms teacher tends to say |
| 12:48.08 | FtH|Daemona | haha i totally didn't expect this, created a new toon with all addons enabled and it loads fine -.- |
| 12:48.50 | asmodai | http://brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/9/10/amd-eyefinity-play-games-in-25-mpixels-7680x3200.aspx <-- the bottom one for WoW @ 7680 x 3200 |
| 12:48.53 | asmodai | :| |
| 12:49.08 | FtH|Daemona | so old :X |
| 12:54.38 | Repo | 10auctionlite: 03MerialKilrogg 04v1.5.3 * r162 : Tagging as v1.5.3 |
| 12:54.40 | Repo | Changes: |
| 12:54.42 | Repo | - Minor bug fixes |
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| 12:59.45 | FtH|Daemona | takes out the sledge hammer. renaming patch*.mpq and running repair.exe o/ (afk) |
| 13:00.24 | SunTsu | And so it begins... |
| 13:03.05 | asmodai | Famous last words eh? |
| 13:05.21 | FtH|Daemona | nothing can beat patching 3.0.1 -> 3.3 |
| 13:08.12 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: what addon was the one in badaddons.wcf? |
| 13:09.35 | Kalroth | it was a specific version of gearscore |
| 13:09.40 | Kalroth | that caused crashes |
| 13:09.57 | KriLL3 | why aren't I surprised |
| 13:10.14 | KriLL3 | just as long as SOCD & QH end up in that list =P |
| 13:10.48 | Kalroth | don't*? :P |
| 13:10.54 | KriLL3 | .... yeah |
| 13:10.56 | KriLL3 | lol |
| 13:11.23 | Kalroth | what's socd? |
| 13:11.44 | Adirelle|work | ckknight, ping |
| 13:11.54 | KriLL3 | sick of clicking dailies |
| 13:12.15 | Kalroth | Adirelle|work: You're doing it wrong |
| 13:12.38 | Kalroth | ckknight: There's free beer with boobies if you wake up now! |
| 13:12.50 | Kalroth | sets his clock. |
| 13:12.50 | Adirelle|work | oh |
| 13:14.16 | asmodai | Kalroth: hehe |
| 13:19.07 | Kalroth | hrmf, he must really be sleeping |
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| 13:23.05 | KriLL3 | he might be in a drunken stupor, with his head in between the pillowy mounds of a hot girl |
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| 13:33.23 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.34 | KriLL3 | I don't swing that way |
| 13:33.46 | Kalroth | not that kind of orc |
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| 13:42.45 | Repo | 10amc: 03S1nless 04v1.5.1.r56 * r57 : Tagging as v1.5.1.r56 |
| 13:43.28 | sylvanaar | =P |
| 13:45.33 | dstufft | lolWoW patcher trying to download something, but it's not an authorized download |
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| 13:52.21 | ckknight | Adirelle|work: hey |
| 13:52.27 | Adirelle|work | ckknight, hello |
| 13:52.50 | Adirelle|work | I seem to have an issue with the packager and remote git externals |
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| 13:53.20 | genetik- | dstufft: just started working for me |
| 13:53.24 | Adirelle|work | I ended up writing a ticket : http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/2060-packager-fails-to-check-out-remote-git-externals/ |
| 13:53.32 | dstufft | yea me too genetik- was only down for a few |
| 13:54.09 | genetik- | i really hope it's a fix for the mob positioning |
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| 14:13.03 | Fisker | !8ball Will battered hilt drop for me? |
| 14:13.11 | Fisker | ~~ 8ball Will battered hilt drop for me? |
| 14:13.14 | Fisker | ~8ball Will battered hilt drop for me? |
| 14:13.15 | purl | Negative. |
| 14:13.17 | Fisker | fffuuuuuuuu- purl |
| 14:13.19 | Fisker | x2 |
| 14:14.16 | Megalon | ~8ball will me getz some shadoumoan shards tis weekz |
| 14:14.17 | purl | Unsure. |
| 14:14.22 | Megalon | :( |
| 14:18.30 | Fisker | slaps Megalon around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:19.17 | Adirelle|work | ckknight, any short-term workaround about my issue ? maybe hard-embedding them until #2006 is fixed ? |
| 14:19.56 | ckknight | Adirelle|work: well, I'll be at work in about an hour. I'm staying in mac world for a little while, so I actually will be able to look at it |
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| 14:21.57 | nevcairiel | remote git externals work |
| 14:22.02 | nevcairiel | they just break if you specify a tag |
| 14:22.31 | nevcairiel | so leave out the tag, for a workaround |
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| 14:23.03 | nevcairiel | unless something new broke recently |
| 14:23.03 | quiescens | is there a way to control which quests show up in the map |
| 14:23.22 | quiescens | I want the map to just take up the whole screen unless I have a quest tracked and then only show tracked quests ): |
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| 14:25.14 | nevcairiel | I suppose an addon could do that |
| 14:25.19 | nevcairiel | but blizzard doesnt allow you to |
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| 14:28.10 | asmodai | nevcairiel: just read some PSU reviews |
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| 14:29.51 | asmodai | nevcairiel: seems those heavy weight PSUs only start to kick in for their load at 20%, 50%, 100%. Lower use than 20% tends to result in suboptimal use of the PSU, dropping those claims of efficiency below 80% |
| 14:30.13 | nevcairiel | I know, at low load they usually arent that efficient |
| 14:30.43 | asmodai | Which is funny, given how often these are used, also for SLI and Crossfire setups, while 600+ W PSUs ought to even be sufficient |
| 14:31.18 | Adirelle|work | nevcairiel, thanks for the tip |
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| 14:31.39 | Myrroddin | ok, the auto localization and me don't get along. i added a bunch of new stuff to the enUS file, and it didn't show up.... |
| 14:32.15 | Myrroddin | i have the following in my localization.enUS.lua file: --@localization(locale="enUS", format="lua_additive_table", same-key-is-true=true, escape-non-ascii=true, handle-subnamespaces="concat")@ |
| 14:33.54 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 14:34.07 | Fisker | someone said you wanted to implement a feature where the quest objectives would be shown without the panel |
| 14:34.10 | Fisker | is that true? |
| 14:34.14 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:34.40 | Fisker | You can get these suspciously soft gloves |
| 14:35.31 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Is this his way of luring you into adding features? |
| 14:35.44 | nevcairiel | dunno, he never tried before |
| 14:36.44 | Repo | 10o-uf_combat-feedback: 03Ammo * r40 / (2 files in 1 directory): update for 3.3 |
| 14:38.10 | nevcairiel | hey the sync was fixed before i thought it would be |
| 14:39.32 | asmodai | nevcairiel: this morning already |
| 14:39.36 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Which I found amazing. |
| 14:39.53 | nevcairiel | weekend was over,the script got back to work? |
| 14:39.57 | nevcairiel | maybe its a EU script |
| 14:39.59 | asmodai | My guess |
| 14:40.06 | asmodai | cronjob kicking in normally again |
| 14:40.16 | Xtek | Mornin' |
| 14:40.25 | asmodai | Morn Xtek |
| 14:42.11 | Elkano | morning Xtek |
| 14:42.32 | Xtek | Hey. |
| 14:43.42 | Myrroddin | hmm for the --@localization(locale="enUS", format="lua_additive_table", same-key-is-true=true, escape-non-ascii=true, handle-subnamespaces="concat")@ bit, should i be removing the "--" comment part, so it just starts with @localization ? |
| 14:44.48 | Adirelle|work | Myrroddin, the comment are aimed at the lua interpreter, the packager ignores them |
| 14:45.51 | Myrroddin | i gather that. i am just wondering why the 20+ localizations i just put in didn't show up when the packager ran. i had to set the previous 56 manually... so i must be doing something wrong |
| 14:48.34 | Myrroddin | so if the packager ignores comments, but i want to packager to upload my localizations, then yes, it should start with @localization(locale="enUS", etc) and i should remove the comment "--" bits... |
| 14:49.04 | Myrroddin | correct, hopefully? |
| 14:50.29 | nevcairiel | no, wrong. |
| 14:51.29 | nevcairiel | the packager doesnt care about comments |
| 14:51.40 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox * r80 Ailo.lua: Show 5-man instances as heroics in the tooltip |
| 14:51.44 | nevcairiel | but if you don't comment it, it'll error when you load it in wow |
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| 14:58.21 | Myrroddin | ok... i am going by http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/repository-keyword-substitutions/ ... right, it errors in wow w/o commenting the line, but it isn't uploading the translations.. and i know the translation page is on and working, as i tried when i was both logged in, and out of wowace |
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| 14:59.25 | Mikk | just doublechecking here: you've re-generated your addon zip AFTER adding translations, yeah? and download that and test? |
| 14:59.57 | Mikk | so look and see what the localization file ends up being? |
| 15:00.04 | Myrroddin | i am comparing what is on the site with what is in my localization file, and they are different |
| 15:00.10 | Mikk | ok |
| 15:00.34 | SunTsu | Mikk: Do you stll search for freeze reasons? |
| 15:00.35 | Myrroddin | the site is missing 20+ things i just added in r13 of smartres2 |
| 15:00.44 | Mikk | SunTsu: yes |
| 15:00.48 | Mikk | i'm up to 76 addons of 121 enabled |
| 15:01.02 | Wobin | Myrroddin, what project? |
| 15:01.07 | Myrroddin | smartres2 |
| 15:01.21 | SunTsu | Mikk: Do you use Questhelper and/or SOCD? |
| 15:01.26 | Mikk | SOCD |
| 15:01.30 | Mikk | damnit don't tell me |
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| 15:01.36 | Mikk | i was randomly suspecting that |
| 15:01.51 | Kalroth | haha |
| 15:02.05 | Mikk | enabling everything except SOCD then |
| 15:02.18 | SunTsu | Mikk: and you were right, according to orionshock there is a glitch in Animation frames, which he used for timers. |
| 15:02.23 | Mikk | well not randomly, it was the only common denominator in the list of non-working addons between me and someone else |
| 15:02.30 | Mikk | rawr |
| 15:02.30 | SunTsu | Mikk: Just use a recent update, it's fixed |
| 15:02.30 | Mikk | right |
| 15:02.31 | Mikk | ok |
| 15:03.19 | Myrroddin | Wobin, the file is correct, but the page is behind LOL |
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| 15:03.38 | steev_ | morning sirs |
| 15:03.47 | Myrroddin | morning steev |
| 15:04.17 | Wobin | was just about to say that the locale file looked fine =P |
| 15:04.37 | Mikk | orionshock: btw i don't know if you were reading the other day. i've pretty much conclusively proven that using your own frames for timers is Bad(tm) |
| 15:04.46 | Mikk | a single OnUpdate callout takes 1 microsecond |
| 15:04.51 | Mikk | that's before running any of your code |
| 15:05.08 | Myrroddin | that's good... so i wonder why it didn't update the locs when i did the latest package about 30 mins ago |
| 15:05.16 | Mikk | a full CallbackHandler callout takes 0.3 microseconds |
| 15:05.19 | Myrroddin | and i hope you are amused by the random chat sayings heheheheh |
| 15:05.28 | Mikk | and AceTimer takes even less |
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| 15:06.49 | Wobin | Myrroddin, I originally wrote MrPlow, I have a good appreciation for witty chats =) |
| 15:07.30 | Myrroddin | i tried not to be mean. at least, not too mean, anyway |
| 15:08.59 | quiescens | it practically takes more work to use acetimer than it does to make your own |
| 15:08.59 | quiescens | lol |
| 15:09.04 | Mikk | quiescens: bullshit |
| 15:10.22 | Myrroddin | wobin, am i losing my mind? if you download the r13 of smartres2, the locale file does have things in there the site doesn't have? and is the localization tab on the project showing up for you? |
| 15:10.55 | Wobin | I assumed you'd added more to the locale file |
| 15:10.57 | SunTsu | Mikk: The funny thing is: I updated each and every addon the last days except socd... |
| 15:11.14 | Mikk | haha |
| 15:11.21 | asmodai | Any of you use a non-English WOW client? If so, happen to know the encoding of the combatlog file? (UTF8?) |
| 15:11.28 | quiescens | what was socd doing? |
| 15:11.34 | Mikk | freezing wow |
| 15:11.35 | Wobin | You have 56 keys on the site |
| 15:11.43 | quiescens | o.O |
| 15:12.00 | quiescens | how was socd doing anything that would freeze wow? |
| 15:12.03 | SunTsu | "UTF-8 Unicode text, with CRLF line terminator" according to FreeBSD's file |
| 15:12.06 | Mikk | infinite loops work well |
| 15:12.11 | Mikk | dunno exactly what it was tho |
| 15:12.12 | asmodai | SunTsu: cool |
| 15:12.15 | Myrroddin | wobin, yep, and about 80 or so in the file |
| 15:12.15 | quiescens | like, just randomly? |
| 15:12.23 | quiescens | not only when it was meant to be doing something? |
| 15:12.26 | Wobin | Myrroddin, is that unintended? |
| 15:12.30 | asmodai | SunTsu: Gracias |
| 15:12.46 | Myrroddin | wobin, nope, i am trying to keep the site updated along with the file |
| 15:12.51 | SunTsu | quiescens: it used a animation frame as a timer and there is a glitch with animation frame timers of more than 30 to 40 minutes |
| 15:13.25 | SunTsu | it was used to remove quests from it's database on day change |
| 15:14.06 | Wobin | Myrroddin, can you use the import page? |
| 15:14.19 | Myrroddin | yes, i can do it manually |
| 15:14.40 | quiescens | I always had this expectation that the source of a freeze could be somewhat related to what you were doing when it froze ): |
| 15:14.56 | Groktar | creeps up behind quiescens with a rag and a bottle of ether |
| 15:15.02 | quiescens | dies. |
| 15:15.15 | Wobin | Myrroddin, so what's the problem? |
| 15:15.34 | Myrroddin | i was trying to get it done automatically when the packager runs |
| 15:15.37 | Groktar | performs a series of lewd acts upon quiescens' still warm corpse |
| 15:15.55 | Wobin | Myrroddin, but you haven't put all the phrases into the webpage |
| 15:16.02 | Myrroddin | oh, Groktar, can i borrow that for a random res message!? |
| 15:16.15 | quiescens | ): |
| 15:16.47 | Myrroddin | wait, huh, i have to put the phrases in first, then the packager fills in the blanks? |
| 15:17.06 | Wobin | I'm not quite sure what you're trying to end up with |
| 15:17.25 | Wobin | You put the phrases into the webpage, then the packager takes those, and the translation and generates the locale file for each language |
| 15:17.41 | Myrroddin | ohhhhhhhh now it become clear |
| 15:17.49 | Wobin | the packager doesn't care what's already in the file itself |
| 15:17.57 | Groktar | lol Myrroddin |
| 15:17.59 | Groktar | go for it! |
| 15:18.04 | Groktar | i just got off work |
| 15:18.05 | Wobin | it just looks for, and replaces the @--@ code |
| 15:18.08 | Groktar | 7:20am here |
| 15:18.09 | Groktar | :( |
| 15:18.14 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 15:18.20 | Myrroddin | put phrases in first... i gotcha |
| 15:18.21 | Groktar | i can't, too wired |
| 15:18.36 | Groktar | coffee all night |
| 15:18.42 | Groktar | trying to stay awake |
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| 15:18.49 | Groktar | was supposed to be off at 3:30 :( |
| 15:19.01 | quiescens | excuses |
| 15:19.04 | asmodai | wires Groktar to some 3-phase output |
| 15:19.59 | kadrahil | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:20.04 | Groktar | shrieks and giggles with pleasure |
| 15:20.12 | kadrahil | o_O |
| 15:21.21 | asmodai | should up the amperes next time |
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| 15:22.17 | kadrahil | asmodai: the evidence of this fiskeriment supports that! |
| 15:22.35 | kadrahil | asmodai: i am making it my goal to somehow highlight fisker in everything i say today |
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| 15:22.52 | asmodai | kadrahil: But why Fisker? |
| 15:23.08 | kadrahil | asmodai: should i highlight ckknight instead? |
| 15:23.20 | asmodai | Do you wish to pit Fisker against ckknight then? |
| 15:23.29 | *** part/#wowace NovKon (n=novkoncr@am1.d-v.ru) |
| 15:23.39 | ckknight | if you highlight me out of douchery, expect to get kicked |
| 15:23.44 | kadrahil | haha |
| 15:23.49 | asmodai | whistles innocently |
| 15:23.55 | asmodai | Oh look, shiny! |
| 15:24.02 | quiescens | kick him! |
| 15:24.40 | kadrahil | ckknight: it wasn't my idea! |
| 15:24.44 | kadrahil | asmodai made me do it |
| 15:25.03 | asmodai | kadrahil: I thought it was Fisker? |
| 15:25.03 | ckknight | asmodai: stop filling kadrahil's head with your whimsical ideas |
| 15:25.12 | kadrahil | asmodai: oh crap, yeah |
| 15:25.16 | asmodai | Err, eh, oh, eep? |
| 15:25.20 | kadrahil | this is all FISKER's fault |
| 15:25.28 | SunTsu | quiescens: it was absolutely unrelated, it was just a matter of time when the glitch hit |
| 15:25.49 | quiescens | I know, I just mean |
| 15:25.54 | quiescens | that must have been a pain in the neck |
| 15:26.32 | quiescens | like, if the freeze happened when picking up or handing in daily quests or something it would be easy to suspect it |
| 15:27.38 | asmodai | So, you, collectively, mentioned over the weekend that QuestHelper could use some code rework since the code looked a bit messy? |
| 15:27.40 | KaeltenAway | nevcairiel, Adirelle|work: I think I fixed that issue regarding external git tags |
| 15:28.00 | Adirelle|work | KaeltenAway, giving it a try |
| 15:28.16 | Fisker | 5NO! |
| 15:28.18 | dstufft | hm is there an event that is fired when skill window is open? (so i can scan it for tradeskills) |
| 15:28.22 | quiescens | oh wow |
| 15:28.33 | quiescens | you can mount in the cave in thunderbluff that you turn up in when you portal there |
| 15:28.36 | quiescens | lol |
| 15:28.44 | Fisker | You wouldn't ckknight a ckknight while ckknighting a ckknight in the ckknight |
| 15:28.46 | Fisker | runs |
| 15:28.54 | KaeltenAway | lmao |
| 15:28.57 | asmodai | .oO(He's fucked.) |
| 15:29.00 | quiescens | kick him! |
| 15:29.06 | Fisker | he wouldn't! |
| 15:29.16 | quiescens | you have to make an example of him |
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| 15:29.20 | Groktar | mails Fisker to KriLL3 |
| 15:29.22 | quiescens | to dissuade the masses |
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| 15:30.03 | krka | you can't even say i'd like to ckknight you someday, unless you're a doctory with a very large ckknight |
| 15:30.10 | asmodai | quiescens: The, dum dum dum, Horde? :P |
| 15:30.10 | Fisker | i think people are already dissuaded quiescens |
| 15:31.30 | asmodai | Now look what you did. :( |
| 15:31.54 | quiescens | he's not very good at this tyrant with an iron fist thingy |
| 15:32.15 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:32.18 | Megalon | One day i will rule candyland with an iron fist! |
| 15:32.24 | Kaelten | he's probably on his way to the office |
| 15:35.07 | Adirelle|work | Kaelten, it is indeed fixed |
| 15:35.11 | Adirelle|work | thanks |
| 15:35.12 | Groktar | declares himself supreme ruler of the universe |
| 15:35.22 | Kaelten | Adirelle|work: and it did grab the correct repo? |
| 15:35.28 | Kaelten | er |
| 15:35.32 | Kaelten | the correct tag |
| 15:35.36 | Adirelle|work | yes it did |
| 15:35.37 | yoshimo | when i subscribe to tickets for an addon they are displayed on the "my wowace" page, but somehow the layout seems to be broken |
| 15:35.50 | Adirelle|work | well... wait |
| 15:36.01 | Adirelle|work | the tag I wanted points to the HEAD of the repo |
| 15:36.08 | yoshimo | A new ticket ([24 - Ick & Krick boss in PoS is missing a "Pursuit" alert ][]) , shouldnt that be a link to the ticket? |
| 15:36.11 | Adirelle|work | gonna try with an older tag |
| 15:36.17 | yoshimo | without []() |
| 15:36.19 | yoshimo | Ã |
| 15:36.21 | nevcairiel | yoshimo: the whole ticket deal is more or less broken |
| 15:36.22 | Repo | 10crafts: 03pb_ee1 041.0-release * r54 : Tagging as 1.0-release |
| 15:36.22 | yoshimo | ? |
| 15:36.26 | Kaelten | I think it'll work |
| 15:36.29 | Kaelten | but I'm not 100% sure |
| 15:36.46 | Kaelten | not the whole ticket deal nev |
| 15:37.27 | nevcairiel | well all regarding the mails and the log on the page |
| 15:37.35 | nevcairiel | they are awfully formatted and send unneeded events |
| 15:38.14 | Kaelten | ya |
| 15:38.27 | Kaelten | the whole subscription stuff is in a dire need for a redo |
| 15:38.50 | Kaelten | on the plus side, we're bringing on a php guy who'll be taking over a lot of the misc server admin stuff I do |
| 15:38.56 | Kaelten | so that's going to free up some time |
| 15:39.15 | asmodai | is getting a Zend training at work soon |
| 15:39.23 | asmodai | Can't believe I just said that. |
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| 15:39.32 | kadrahil | glares at asmodai |
| 15:39.39 | asmodai | kadrahil: nani? |
| 15:39.45 | quiescens | run! |
| 15:39.50 | dstufft | php <- Theres your problem |
| 15:39.52 | kadrahil | runs |
| 15:39.59 | Kaelten | dstufft: I'm not a fan either |
| 15:40.10 | Kaelten | and even less so of mysql |
| 15:40.11 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: a php guy taking over server admin stuff? oh dear |
| 15:40.12 | kadrahil | asmodai: but it's ZEND!!! |
| 15:40.12 | asmodai | dstufft: We're replacing Java on the web frontend with it. |
| 15:40.15 | dstufft | i'm a web developer by trade |
| 15:40.15 | kadrahil | :( |
| 15:40.15 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox 041.0.22 * r81 : Tagging as 1.0.22 |
| 15:40.25 | kadrahil | zends asmodai into the sun |
| 15:40.26 | dstufft | im a big fan of Python/Django |
| 15:40.29 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: It's Trela, and I'll still be lead on that for a while. |
| 15:40.31 | asmodai | dstufft: Between Java and PHP for web dev, I would prefer PHP. |
| 15:40.36 | asmodai | personally I prefer Python |
| 15:40.38 | dstufft | ew |
| 15:40.39 | Kaelten | dstufft: we hit the ceiling of django a long time ago. |
| 15:40.44 | dstufft | yea php > java |
| 15:40.49 | kadrahil | lol |
| 15:40.51 | kadrahil | * > java |
| 15:41.06 | kadrahil | even fisker |
| 15:41.10 | Kaelten | python > * > java? |
| 15:41.13 | Kaelten | :D |
| 15:41.27 | kadrahil | no, php > python > * > fisker > java |
| 15:41.36 | Kaelten | dstufft: curseforge is a huge python codebase |
| 15:41.49 | kadrahil | :| |
| 15:41.49 | Kaelten | kadrahil: at the min, you've got the first two swapped |
| 15:41.52 | dstufft | kadrahil, you lie |
| 15:41.53 | Trela | I know nothing of what Kaelten speaks! |
| 15:42.01 | Trela | hides! |
| 15:42.04 | asmodai | agrees with Kaelten |
| 15:42.07 | kadrahil | :( |
| 15:42.26 | kadrahil | Trela: one advantage of this is you can IRC from work without being frowned upon! |
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| 15:42.43 | Kaelten | I think it's closer to python > ruby > .net > fisker > lua > php > * > java |
| 15:42.51 | kadrahil | Kaelten: lol |
| 15:42.52 | Trela | ;-; |
| 15:42.55 | asmodai | Of course, the moment Kaelten only speaks to you through IRC, be worried |
| 15:43.04 | dstufft | Kaelten, i havn't really payed that much attention to curseforge tbh. i just discovered wowace.com really and made a project so. But django is fairly scalable, the biggest issue atm is mutlidb/sharding which multidb is coming soon |
| 15:43.15 | asmodai | Kaelten: Fisker > Lua? SRSLY? |
| 15:43.24 | Kaelten | dstufft: well wowace/curseforg share a codebase |
| 15:43.30 | Kaelten | asmodai: for web dev probably |
| 15:43.34 | Trela | I am not actually in the office. I am packing multitudes of crap. |
| 15:43.34 | kadrahil | asmodai: nowai |
| 15:43.43 | krka | java > all |
| 15:43.45 | asmodai | mutlidb? rofl, parsed that as mutilatedb XD |
| 15:43.48 | kadrahil | glares at krka |
| 15:43.54 | asmodai | Trela: Zip or Rar works well. *whistles* |
| 15:43.57 | quiescens | 2 > 1 |
| 15:43.57 | Trela | XD |
| 15:44.06 | Kaelten | dstufft: as far as the django multidb stuff, that's been 'coming soon' for 2 years now |
| 15:44.11 | kadrahil | quiescens: rofl |
| 15:44.14 | asmodai | SQLAlchemy baby! |
| 15:44.20 | dstufft | speaking of lua, i just started writing addons, this api is horrid and im bitching about it to my friend @ blizz D: |
| 15:44.23 | Kaelten | we even had our own in house implementation of django multidb |
| 15:44.32 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r6858 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update |
| 15:44.38 | dstufft | Kaelten, i do believe it's in a branch and is slated for 1.2 |
| 15:44.40 | Kaelten | dstufft: lol, that's why we made Ace, to help cover some of it up. |
| 15:44.43 | asmodai | CooL! BlizzApi feature requests through dstufft now! |
| 15:44.51 | Kaelten | dstufft: that's cool, it's been in a branch since then too ;) |
| 15:44.52 | dstufft | lol |
| 15:45.03 | kadrahil | rofl |
| 15:45.11 | dstufft | actually have 2 friends, and one of them is on the ui team >.> |
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| 15:45.22 | dstufft | trying to get him to use python instead of lua D: |
| 15:45.23 | asmodai | Whenever I talk to a GM I stress that EU addons devs would LOOOOOOVE US UI forum access. |
| 15:45.29 | Kaelten | dstufft: my experiance with django shows me it's great, for small to medium size sites. |
| 15:45.42 | asmodai | Kaelten: *nod* /sign |
| 15:45.43 | Kaelten | dstufft: that's not likely to happen. They've got a _huge_ by in with Lua |
| 15:46.17 | dstufft | my friend wants tos witch to to Python, doesn't know if he can get it to go past management, but can make it work so existing codebase still works he said |
| 15:46.24 | Kaelten | dstufft: I'd also recommend using postgresql over mysql any day of the week. |
| 15:46.30 | dstufft | i don't use mysql |
| 15:46.47 | dstufft | sqlite for devwork, postgresql for production/staging |
| 15:46.59 | Kaelten | cool |
| 15:47.05 | asmodai | dstufft: Mmm, interesting. Not sure what it would do for speed or memory. |
| 15:47.06 | Kaelten | I end up just running postgres locally |
| 15:47.21 | dstufft | i've done that for a couple of my sites |
| 15:47.31 | dstufft | but i only go to postgres when needed |
| 15:47.35 | Kaelten | asmodai: it'd likely be slower overall than lua largely due to the fact it's a heavier language |
| 15:47.35 | asmodai | And same here, SQLite for small stuff or prototyping, pgsql for larger. |
| 15:47.40 | nevcairiel | imho there is no reason to switch the language of the UI Code |
| 15:47.52 | nevcairiel | the inconsistent API that we have will still be inconsistent |
| 15:47.54 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I agree, it'd shake a lot up unneededly |
| 15:47.55 | nevcairiel | it will just be in python |
| 15:47.56 | dstufft | its to handy to be able to wipe a db with a rm ~/.data[TAB]/sitename.db |
| 15:48.03 | Adirelle|work | Kaelten, I'm not sure we should be worried about this, but it seems the packager stopped to work after it packaged my project |
| 15:48.10 | dstufft | oh ive been bitching about the retarded api too |
| 15:48.14 | asmodai | Kaelten: *nod* Although Pypy and such things are looking interesting. The current 3.1-branch is at least sped up with some recent changes. |
| 15:48.15 | Kaelten | Adirelle|work: ? |
| 15:48.18 | Adirelle|work | (unless the general packager status page is restricted to projects you're owning) |
| 15:48.24 | asmodai | nevcairiel: But yes, Lua works quite well so far. |
| 15:49.07 | dstufft | my one friend said he's going to write up a suggestion for exposing the DB more/cleaning up the api |
| 15:49.22 | Adirelle|work | Kaelten, I pushed more commits since 2009-12-14T15:32:44.129863, but the general package page does not list anything since |
| 15:49.24 | nevcairiel | i actually like Lua for things like this, its simple enough for new devs to learn, and powerful enough to accomplish alot of things |
| 15:49.26 | dstufft | said he doesn't see a reason not to give easy access to any data that is "public" at any time via addons |
| 15:49.44 | Kaelten | Adirelle|work: probably my fault, I just pushed a patch, second restarting server side |
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| 15:50.04 | nevcairiel | dstufft: other UI members said that before, in the end it comes down to "no benefit for blizzard" and time is allocated else where |
| 15:50.25 | Kaelten | one of the big things is that lua is meant for embedding, more so than just about any language. |
| 15:50.28 | dstufft | me asking for python is mostly me being pissed because i got yet another error from not including an end |
| 15:50.32 | Kaelten | the runtime is small and fast and easy to integrate with. |
| 15:50.39 | dstufft | to a function or if or whatever |
| 15:51.04 | dstufft | i do believe they are redoing the ui code anyways |
| 15:51.10 | dstufft | or talking about it |
| 15:51.30 | asmodai | dstufft: Any chance the API proposal might seek some addon devs feedback? |
| 15:51.35 | dstufft | if i recall my buddy mentioned moving away from a general purpose ui to a more class based ui |
| 15:51.44 | asmodai | I know some people here who would have great feedback for him :) |
| 15:52.17 | dstufft | no idea, i can ask him though, he's in a meeting atm, and has to go write up whoever pushed that patch earlier without authorizing the download breaking wow for a few minutes |
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| 15:52.51 | dstufft | but i can ask him and suggest it if they arn't planning on it |
| 15:53.01 | pb_ee1 | Hum... is the load of the packager a little bit too high? :p |
| 15:53.15 | nevcairiel | wtb zoot back, he was always nice to ask about simple changes |
| 15:53.25 | nevcairiel | and he was on irc :) |
| 15:53.37 | Kaelten | pb_ee1: ? |
| 15:53.39 | asmodai | I know nevcairiel, Arrowmaster, Antiarc, jnwhiteh, and some others would be excellent to give feedback on this |
| 15:54.00 | SunTsu | .o0( Just don't listen to Fisker ) |
| 15:54.03 | Kaelten | Adirelle|work: fixed |
| 15:54.05 | pb_ee1 | Kaelten: ho, it just takes more time than a few days ago. ~30minutes instead of 5 |
| 15:54.07 | pb_ee1 | (or it's me) |
| 15:54.12 | dstufft | i'll suggest it to him when he gets back |
| 15:54.19 | Kaelten | pb_ee1: I just put out a patch |
| 15:54.20 | jnwhiteh | what api propsal |
| 15:54.22 | pb_ee1 | but it's fine, i'm not complaining at all ! |
| 15:54.23 | jnwhiteh | don't ping me without link =) |
| 15:54.32 | pb_ee1 | hehe woki ;) |
| 15:54.34 | dstufft | there is no real api proposal yet :p |
| 15:54.35 | Adirelle|work | Kaelten, indeed |
| 15:54.48 | jnwhiteh | btu what in the hell are you discussing? |
| 15:54.56 | dstufft | 2 friends of mine work for blizz, they are talking about redoing the api |
| 15:54.59 | dstufft | talking internally* |
| 15:55.10 | dstufft | and the ui |
| 15:55.18 | jnwhiteh | well I have regular contact WITH the UI team |
| 15:55.22 | jnwhiteh | so don't come here shooting yoru mouth off. |
| 15:55.44 | jnwhiteh | because I _will_ smack you down |
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| 15:55.54 | jnwhiteh | someone being wrong on the internet is not something I can deal with. |
| 15:55.57 | Adirelle|work | Kaelten, and I confirm it checkout the right tag |
| 15:56.00 | krka | heh |
| 15:56.13 | Kaelten | and jnwhiteh isnt the only one here with regular contact |
| 15:56.13 | jnwhiteh | see the three books I've written, there are my credentials |
| 15:56.53 | asmodai | Err, jnwhiteh, it wasn't about your credentials. In fact, because of those you'd be excellent. ^^ |
| 15:56.57 | jnwhiteh | I don't doubt that you have friends at Blizzard |
| 15:57.03 | jnwhiteh | just don't think of overstating shit here |
| 15:57.05 | jnwhiteh | because I won't stand for it. |
| 15:57.12 | Kaelten | Adirelle|work: awesome man |
| 15:57.25 | Adirelle|work | thanks for reactivity :) |
| 15:57.27 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: btw, that ticket was @ wowinterface for TomTom in case you missed it. |
| 15:57.33 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: I saw it. |
| 15:57.50 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: I also blame their interface for misleading me in thinking some where open since 2007 :S |
| 15:57.57 | jnwhiteh | some were open since 2007 |
| 15:57.58 | Kalroth | another speeding ticket, eh? |
| 15:58.03 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:58.05 | jnwhiteh | if people dont respond when i ask a question, i leave it. |
| 15:58.16 | Kalroth | oh 2007? not speeding then |
| 15:58.16 | nevcairiel | I just decline them after a while |
| 15:58.17 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Yeah, I noticed that lack of feedback from the originators. :S |
| 15:59.52 | Kaelten | hands jnwhiteh his blood pressure medicine, can't have the old man fading away due to someone being wrong on the interent |
| 16:00.03 | jnwhiteh | My bp is fine =) |
| 16:00.13 | Kaelten | :P |
| 16:00.33 | nevcairiel | I seriously doubt they would just "redo the API" without any gain for *them*, anyway. Internal talk is always nice, doesnt get past management anyway |
| 16:00.35 | Kaelten | Adirelle|work: I'm trying to stay ontop of any issues with the packager |
| 16:00.52 | asmodai | hands Kaelten a medal for that ^^ |
| 16:01.00 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: indeed, and the amount of work switching away from lua would be ludicras |
| 16:01.28 | jnwhiteh | completely and utterly |
| 16:01.33 | jnwhiteh | and python is the wrong language |
| 16:01.42 | jnwhiteh | there was a reason slouken chose Lua |
| 16:01.43 | Kaelten | indeed, too heavy/slow |
| 16:01.48 | Vangual | especially when you look at the timeframe |
| 16:01.51 | nevcairiel | Lua is a nice language for this |
| 16:01.57 | Kaelten | it's very nice, tight and fast, and light |
| 16:02.25 | jnwhiteh | dstufft: you seem to have gotten awful quiet. |
| 16:02.54 | Kaelten | performance would be a potential motivator for switching away, I doubt python would help that |
| 16:03.02 | krka | very few languages would help there |
| 16:03.04 | dstufft | because i don't care enough about your opinion to argue with you |
| 16:03.15 | jnwhiteh | dstufft: I haven't shared my _OPINION_ anywhere |
| 16:03.27 | Vangual | senses an incoming hit'n run |
| 16:03.28 | krka | i'd personally love to hear more insightful points on what's wrong with the current api |
| 16:03.33 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 16:03.36 | Kaelten | same |
| 16:03.45 | krka | i'm sure there _are_ places in the api that could be improved, but i am not sure you know of them at all :P |
| 16:03.52 | jnwhiteh | I'd love some open dialogue |
| 16:04.01 | Kaelten | discussing the bad parts of the api is very constructive in general, as long as it doesn't turn into a bitch fest |
| 16:04.22 | krka | or some sort of inferno |
| 16:04.22 | Kaelten | in the past we've had some great api's added because of that |
| 16:04.36 | Kaelten | krka: how about a .... disco inferno? |
| 16:05.20 | asmodai | Kaelten: Is that a new Warlock spell? |
| 16:05.39 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 16:05.50 | asmodai | tosses Fisker into the inferno |
| 16:06.27 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Does that come with the appropriate opensource license? ;) |
| 16:06.41 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 16:06.43 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean? |
| 16:06.57 | asmodai | the open dialogue :) |
| 16:06.58 | Kaelten | jnwhiteh: the diaglogue |
| 16:07.13 | asmodai | Kaelten: It shows you know me a bit longer than today :P |
| 16:07.14 | Kaelten | s/diaglogue/dialogue/ |
| 16:07.25 | jnwhiteh | hrm, k |
| 16:07.33 | Kaelten | asmodai: lol wut? |
| 16:07.42 | asmodai | Kaelten: My strange sense of humour ;) |
| 16:07.45 | Kaelten | heh |
| 16:08.22 | rbarreiros | i don't know what's the problem about PHP also (just finished reading all history) besides Python is horrible (imho) |
| 16:08.42 | quiescens | they're all the same imo |
| 16:08.49 | rbarreiros | but then my opininon is skewed aftor some good 10 years of working with PHP/Perl |
| 16:08.53 | rbarreiros | opinion* |
| 16:09.00 | jnwhiteh | I don't know what the problem with Lua is, and I'd love to hear it |
| 16:09.05 | quiescens | same stuff, different syntax |
| 16:09.20 | asmodai | My biggest nit with PHP is mostly API related as well as some silly language design. |
| 16:09.21 | rbarreiros | same here, Lua fits fine |
| 16:09.36 | rbarreiros | asmodai, all languages have their quirks |
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| 16:10.24 | asmodai | rbarreiros: Fair enough, just think PHP's API has a lot, or used to have, quite some redundancy. |
| 16:10.46 | asmodai | But anyway. |
| 16:10.53 | rbarreiros | that was due to the fact they wanted to keep the old programming style together with the new OOP style probably ? |
| 16:10.55 | jnwhiteh | I just get annoyed when people in here claiming 'mad connections' and talking about sweeping API changes when I know there are authors in this channel (who aren't even me) who have senior connections on teh dev team =) |
| 16:10.55 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: PHP, imho lends itself to poor code. It's much to easy to fall into bad design patterns. It's also missing a lot of other things I'd like to see, like better OO support, more thread saftey, and the ability to compile the code and run it (or have it cache the bytecodes without a bytecache). |
| 16:11.02 | dstufft | I never said there was a problem with LUA, i said i bitched to my friend about it mostly because of my frustration learning LUA for an addon. My friend is a huge python guy as well. And liked the idea, and is all for it. But said it would have to get past managment for it to happen. Never once said that WoW was switching away from LUA and to Python. |
| 16:11.35 | Repo | 10simpleaurafilter: 03vaeyl * r14 / (2 files in 1 directory): upgraded to 3.3 buffcode |
| 16:11.55 | Kaelten | krka: what happened to your LUA bot message? |
| 16:11.57 | asmodai | Kaelten: Must say Zend enforces better style and all that at least |
| 16:12.02 | jnwhiteh | ah, so you were just relating the conversation, k. |
| 16:12.10 | Kaelten | asmodai: this may be true |
| 16:12.34 | rbarreiros | Kaelten, completely agree with you, but then that's programmer problem not the code, the developers give you the tools, it's all about how you use them, about OO support it improved ALOT in the last few years, thread safety is an issue but with apache mainly, and the code compilation is like mandatory in every high production site atm |
| 16:12.35 | asmodai | Kaelten: We got a setup here with Codesniffer, I believe, that does unittesting as well as style checking |
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| 16:13.08 | dstufft | And again, never said there was going to be any changes, i said that I was expressing my frustration with what parts of the API i had dealth with so far, and my friends said they were discussing api changes and ui changes and that he personally didnt see a problem with the ways i said i "wish" the api was, and that he could suggest it |
| 16:13.16 | asmodai | Kaelten: And as long as you separate code and templates, it will improve a ton. |
| 16:13.56 | rbarreiros | idd it does |
| 16:14.11 | rbarreiros | mixing PHP with HTML nowadays is like .... I dunno |
| 16:14.23 | rbarreiros | can't even figure out something stupid to relate to that |
| 16:14.32 | dstufft | http://toykeeper.net/soapbox/php_problems/ |
| 16:14.45 | asmodai | rbarreiros: Happens so often still :( |
| 16:14.59 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: I run xcache on our php sites to do bytecaching. As far as the 'it's a coder problem' that's very true. However, from what I've seen, there is a disproportionate amount of bad coders inside of php. I personally feel that this is at least partially due to the language lending itself to bad coding practices. |
| 16:15.08 | rbarreiros | how old is that dstufft? |
| 16:15.16 | asmodai | Kaelten: Agreed on that front. |
| 16:15.49 | rbarreiros | Kaelten, the language started to be a very simple way of doing stuff in the web at least in an easier way than u had to do with perl back then |
| 16:15.51 | dstufft | not sure off the top of my head, reading down through it a good bit of it still applies, but i havn't touched php in a year |
| 16:15.53 | Repo | 10pit-bull_lifebloom-bar: 03vaeyl * r38 PitBull_LifebloomBar.toc: bumped toc |
| 16:15.55 | Repo | since I do not use PB3 any more, I cannt maintain this addon. Try migrating to PB4 and PitBull4_AuraBar |
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| 16:16.05 | rbarreiros | it then evolved greatly, but they wanted to keep back that aspect |
| 16:16.20 | rbarreiros | I can't blame then for wanting to keep the aspect of what made it so popular |
| 16:16.37 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: I can understand that, which brings up the old 'backwords compatability is the root of all evil' argument |
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| 16:16.59 | rbarreiros | namespaces are here btw |
| 16:17.15 | dstufft | namepaces are in php but if i recall the syntax and implimentation is still terrible |
| 16:17.23 | Repo | 10pit-bull_lifebloom-bar: 03vaeyl 040.42 * r39 : Tagging as 0.42 |
| 16:17.41 | asmodai | Time to crawl home. |
| 16:18.09 | rbarreiros | Kaelten, I still believe (personally) that's a developer issue, you often find people (even experienced people) to do ugly things in lua, despite it to be so easy to learn, I'm pretty sure you don't blame Lua for it |
| 16:18.09 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: isn't it // for a namespace or the like? |
| 16:18.16 | rbarreiros | namespaces syntax is just that syntax |
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| 16:18.37 | rbarreiros | Kaelten, yes it is |
| 16:19.00 | rbarreiros | point 2 in that list was fixed long time ago also |
| 16:19.17 | rbarreiros | point 3 is very delicate and it's being cleaned up slowly |
| 16:19.25 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: ultimately it always falls down tot he responsibility of the developer. I guess I've seen so few solid, stable, well written php codebases that I can't help but to get mad at them for making some things possible. |
| 16:19.31 | rbarreiros | as it breaks alot of apps currently running in production |
| 16:19.49 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.0.9-13-gc612189 / (3 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 16:19.51 | Repo | c612189: Typo-be-gone! |
| 16:19.52 | Repo | 216813f: Move the instance flag movability code to the MoveButtons module, as it's rather buggy in the Position module. |
| 16:19.54 | Repo | 69fe983: Add option to show/hide the instance difficulty flag. |
| 16:19.55 | Repo | b60be10: Bugfix. |
| 16:20.34 | rbarreiros | Kaelten, there are more than you think tbh, the big PHP issue is it led to alot of people without any programming knowledge to actually do something, but in the end, they have NO idea whatsoever of how to program, in the end screwing up |
| 16:20.45 | rbarreiros | you get alot of web designers thinking they can program in PHP |
| 16:20.52 | rbarreiros | which they don't |
| 16:20.55 | pompy | Anyone on the ruRU wow locale? |
| 16:20.56 | Kaelten | one of the iconic php apps, vbulletin, doesn't even abstract it's db access. They hardcode and generate the queries inline where they need them. |
| 16:21.20 | dstufft | my biggest issue with php is that is makes it easier to write bad code then good code |
| 16:21.23 | rbarreiros | that's one of the biggest horrible code I've ever seen |
| 16:21.33 | dstufft | by bad code i mean unreadable, insecure and generally a mess |
| 16:22.04 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: likewise |
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| 16:22.12 | rbarreiros | always the makes it easier to write bad than good code, that's a programmer issue not the language, the language evolved ALOT through all this years, they wanted to make it backwards compatible due to the ammount of people using it |
| 16:22.15 | Kaelten | but it's often used by people as an example of how good php is |
| 16:22.16 | steev | mmm patch day |
| 16:22.21 | rbarreiros | I cannot blame them for doing so |
| 16:22.40 | dstufft | which is a big part of why i like python, you can write bad code in python, but the entire philosphy behind python, and the majority of people who write for python |
| 16:22.44 | dstufft | python 2.x is completly backwards compatably |
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| 16:22.50 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: I think they have a responsibility to phase out the language features that shouldn't be used |
| 16:22.56 | rbarreiros | you want a good solid codebase where you can actually work with PHP go see symfony |
| 16:23.02 | dstufft | sometimes you have to break backwards compatbility for the good of the language |
| 16:23.18 | rbarreiros | Kaelten, they are, slowly, that has to be a gradual process due to the ammount of sites running 'bad' code atm |
| 16:23.21 | Balreign | nerver heard hat vBulletin was good php :s, neither phpBB |
| 16:23.25 | dstufft | and id personally rather have it done and over with, then drag it out |
| 16:23.28 | EthanCentaurai | fears the WotCK. |
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| 16:23.58 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: lol |
| 16:23.59 | rbarreiros | dstufft, go explain that to people that invested a ton in developing stuff in PHP or even developer companies that still have to support their legacy products |
| 16:24.12 | rbarreiros | that's so easy to say than actually do |
| 16:24.12 | steev | EthanCentaurai: why would you get Calvin Klein's wrath? |
| 16:24.25 | EthanCentaurai | lol |
| 16:24.27 | dstufft | rbarreiros, you make codebases. you have the "backwards compatable" and the "new and fixed up" |
| 16:24.46 | dstufft | continue to work on both, until there has been sufficient time to switch to new and fixed up |
| 16:24.47 | EthanCentaurai | I mean CKKnight, as I'm screwing with his baby again >.> |
| 16:24.52 | dstufft | then phase out backwards compatble completly |
| 16:24.56 | ckknight | happens to the best of us |
| 16:25.08 | renchap | sysadmin-fr.net.172800INNSns1.asyd.net. |
| 16:25.08 | renchap | sysadmin-fr.net.172800INNSns0.asyd.net. |
| 16:25.13 | renchap | oops |
| 16:25.18 | Kaelten | EthanCentaurai: which baby is that? |
| 16:25.35 | rbarreiros | you can't do that simply because there are alot of applications running in legacy code that are still being developed and in the end they'll need a complete rewrite |
| 16:25.40 | EthanCentaurai | his chinchilla |
| 16:25.42 | rbarreiros | which is what people are doing atm, slowly |
| 16:25.48 | rbarreiros | together with PHP changing |
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| 16:25.57 | pb_ee1 | Quick question: is WoWUI still a recommended site to download addons? I mean, is it really *used* that much, or has it been moreless "abandonned"? |
| 16:26.06 | rbarreiros | alot of internal modules in PHP already left the core into PECL |
| 16:26.11 | pb_ee1 | I'm not talking about the quality of the website, thanks to avoid the subject ;-) |
| 16:26.18 | rbarreiros | mostly garbage that should have left years go |
| 16:26.20 | rbarreiros | s/go/ago |
| 16:26.27 | pb_ee1 | you forgot the last "/" |
| 16:26.34 | dstufft | why can't you do that? If your old code is requiring the backwards compat version then you run that |
| 16:26.34 | pb_ee1 | (everybody does.) |
| 16:26.41 | rbarreiros | dang |
| 16:26.54 | pb_ee1 | dong |
| 16:26.55 | pb_ee1 | s/dong/ding/ |
| 16:26.59 | rbarreiros | because you often get mixes, old code mixed with new OO well done code |
| 16:28.03 | dstufft | personally id rather port to a new "clean" version of the language and then be guarenteed backwards compat in that major release, then have to worry about porting every time they change something again |
| 16:28.08 | dstufft | and do it at once |
| 16:28.17 | rbarreiros | again you want a framework, I advise it to anyone new to PHP, that the framework alone promotes the good writing of PHP code, use Symfony |
| 16:29.10 | Xtek | I blame the lack of cookies. |
| 16:29.23 | rbarreiros | dstufft, those things often aren't your opinion alone, but a bunch of time vs profit statistics, coupled with manpower and how much it pays off in the long run money wise |
| 16:29.30 | ckknight | if you want to write good code, don't use PHP |
| 16:29.34 | rbarreiros | it's like you know |
| 16:29.43 | ckknight | it's a lot harder to write good code in PHP than it is in other languages |
| 16:29.45 | rbarreiros | changing all lua api to python on wow now :) |
| 16:30.03 | rbarreiros | ckknight, so a good PHP developer is above the average good programmer ? |
| 16:30.16 | pentium166 | or just less productive |
| 16:30.21 | rbarreiros | less ? lol |
| 16:30.21 | dstufft | ^ |
| 16:30.23 | SunTsu | I really hate web stuff doing PHP, but fell in love with django/python instantly |
| 16:30.26 | ckknight | I'd go with less productive |
| 16:30.35 | ckknight | in order to do things right, it takes more effort and time in PHP |
| 16:30.42 | rbarreiros | am not a fan of python, at all |
| 16:30.44 | rbarreiros | but that's just me |
| 16:30.50 | ckknight | why? |
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| 16:31.00 | ckknight | namespaces too confusing? |
| 16:31.01 | dstufft | then do RoR, though i dislike it compared to Django/python |
| 16:31.05 | SunTsu | rbarreiros: it's more django than python, frankly |
| 16:31.13 | rbarreiros | i don't know, I don't like to be forced to indent a language to make it work |
| 16:31.19 | rbarreiros | nah it's python really |
| 16:31.29 | dstufft | you don't indent your code? |
| 16:31.36 | rbarreiros | ofc i do |
| 16:31.42 | rbarreiros | My way |
| 16:31.58 | rbarreiros | no I don't do one liners all the time |
| 16:32.06 | dstufft | i love the signiifcant whitespace, after dealing with enough people who don't indent their code at all having it be forced is a godsend |
| 16:32.11 | ckknight | neither do people in python, rbarreiros |
| 16:32.15 | rbarreiros | i just don't like a compiler to tell me how to indent the code |
| 16:32.16 | SunTsu | rbarreiros: I tried to say that I fell in love more with django than I did with python |
| 16:32.18 | Kaelten | rbarreiros: for me it was an easy shift, since it was almost identical to how I indent anyway |
| 16:32.34 | dstufft | how do you indent your code rbarreiros ? |
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| 16:32.39 | rbarreiros | dstufft, go see my lua code tankwarnings in wowace |
| 16:32.45 | rbarreiros | it's indented |
| 16:32.50 | rbarreiros | how I like |
| 16:32.56 | rbarreiros | not how a compiler makes me to |
| 16:33.14 | pb_ee1 | rbarreiros, now it depends on who works on your project ;) |
| 16:33.18 | pb_ee1 | if you're alone, that's okay |
| 16:33.29 | pb_ee1 | if not... it may create problems ;p |
| 16:33.50 | SunTsu | I just let vim do the indention work for me |
| 16:33.57 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2762 Locals/ARLLocals-ruRU.lua: |
| 16:33.59 | Repo | Apparently this addon hasn't been localized in Russian all this time??...fixes. |
| 16:34.00 | SunTsu | it does it quite fine |
| 16:34.27 | rbarreiros | pb_ee1, I know, but i don't make problems indenting code, we usually use the same indentation with php-mode on emacs and we all use the same .emacs |
| 16:34.38 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ouf_adirelle/. oUF_Adirelle. Adirelle (Manager/Author). Approved by Kaelten. |
| 16:34.52 | dstufft | rbarreiros, im looking at your Core.lua, im skimming through it but so far i don't see anything that would be indented differently in python, minus the end's etc |
| 16:34.58 | pb_ee1 | nice indenting btw (by quick checking ;p) |
| 16:35.21 | rbarreiros | dstufft, again I never said it would be different that python or that I want or always do it different |
| 16:35.30 | rbarreiros | I just don't like a compiler telling me how to |
| 16:35.39 | rbarreiros | pb_ee1, thanks |
| 16:36.13 | dstufft | i see, makes it easier imo, one less political choice to make when working with a team |
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| 16:38.48 | dstufft | since editor, language and bracer style seems to be the biggest thing developers get hung up on. Not having to worry about one of those when writing policy for a codebase is a plus in my book lol |
| 16:41.01 | dstufft | and Failakrond is still not up |
| 16:41.02 | dstufft | >.> |
| 16:41.31 | Kaelten | I've known developers who got hung up on spaces vs tabs with python |
| 16:41.38 | quiescens | just use befunge or something instead |
| 16:41.40 | dstufft | those developers were wrong |
| 16:41.48 | dstufft | since pep 8 declares what it should be |
| 16:41.54 | dstufft | 4 spaces |
| 16:42.16 | Kaelten | dstufft: I'm aware |
| 16:42.41 | dstufft | Kaelten, no worries, i got a headache, im in a bad mood because of it >.> |
| 16:42.56 | nevcairiel | like developers stick to conventions |
| 16:42.59 | nevcairiel | ever |
| 16:43.16 | arkanes_ | hah |
| 16:43.23 | dstufft | i try to D: |
| 16:43.25 | FtH|Daemona | i don't get why my wow is freezing when logging in... i disabled all addons, enabled them step by step again, till it would hang again, disable the addon again and go on with the next... this led to all addons loading but the alphabetical last 3 in the list ?! i disabled the last 4 and now it hangs again, even though it worked before.... |
| 16:43.31 | FtH|Daemona | great |
| 16:43.31 | arkanes_ | tabs vs spaces pops up in #python every so often |
| 16:43.38 | dstufft | i spent a like an hour trying to find a conventions page on wowace |
| 16:43.54 | nevcairiel | besides, using spaces for indenting is just a sign for being unable to properly use tabs =P |
| 16:43.55 | arkanes_ | it really doesn't matter as long as you don't mix them |
| 16:44.19 | arkanes_ | that said, I use spaces and smite any nonbeliever who dares to insert tabs |
| 16:44.29 | dstufft | it doesn't matter no, though im a strickler for following conventions |
| 16:44.43 | dstufft | so my code is almost always 99% pep 8 compat |
| 16:45.12 | pentium166 | looks at his open javascript file with one function space-indented and the next function tab-indented |
| 16:45.27 | arkanes_ | it's nice to have a blessed style reference so you can always fall back on appeal to authority |
| 16:45.32 | dstufft | it doesn't matter in js really either, other then stylisticly |
| 16:45.55 | dstufft | in python mixing tabs and spaces can cause odd errors |
| 16:45.58 | arkanes_ | amusingly, more of the stdlib violates pep8 than obeys it, and pep8 is technically supposed to be the stdlib style guide |
| 16:45.59 | rbarreiros | I have emacs for instance changing all tabs to spaces, due to yaml :P |
| 16:46.08 | pentium166 | I found one line with a tab and then four spaces :( |
| 16:46.32 | arkanes_ | pentium166: most often caused by using different editors |
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| 16:46.41 | pompy | ah they released a little patch today? |
| 16:46.55 | dstufft | arkanes_ yea that always made me laugh too. I havn't looked at 3.x to see if they took the oppurtunity to fix any of that up or not |
| 16:47.08 | Znuff | who did what where? |
| 16:47.10 | arkanes_ | dstufft: it's better, but not finished |
| 16:47.21 | rbarreiros | that's another issue I can see with python, people using diff editors fecking up indentation hehehe, does it happen often ? :P |
| 16:47.29 | pentium166 | I think I've only used one editor on this file, but maybe this is one of the functions I borrowed/hacked up |
| 16:47.38 | arkanes_ | dstufft: going through a ton of working code and rewriting it to match an arbitrary style guide is, of course, not a very useful way to spend your time |
| 16:47.43 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: not really |
| 16:47.56 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: generally it'll bite each new programmer once or twice |
| 16:47.56 | Repo | 10handy-notes_charon: 03zarevak 04v0.5.4 Beta * r20 : (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 16:47.57 | Repo | Tagging as v0.5.4 Beta. First public version... |
| 16:47.58 | Repo | This addon tracks your deaths: |
| 16:47.59 | dstufft | most python developers set their code to have tabs = 4 spaces |
| 16:47.59 | Repo | - time and location of death |
| 16:48.01 | Repo | - the last combat event you died from |
| 16:48.10 | rbarreiros | 3 guys working in the same file, diff editors in diff OS's won't screw up anything ? |
| 16:48.11 | dstufft | er |
| 16:48.17 | dstufft | their editor |
| 16:48.17 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: it can, of course |
| 16:48.37 | dstufft | yea it can, however most experianced python programmers do what i said |
| 16:48.46 | dstufft | and my spelling is horrible today |
| 16:48.54 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: and if all three are stubborn or stupid and refusing to agree on a convention you'll end up with tons of spurious commits as they each "fix" the others commits |
| 16:48.55 | rbarreiros | or even more experienced programmers just don't use python :PPP |
| 16:49.03 | arkanes_ | this happens with all languages, though |
| 16:49.18 | arkanes_ | actual *problems*, as opposed to lunchtime beatings, caused by it are rare |
| 16:49.21 | rbarreiros | arkanes_, not on languages where you code won't compile due to indentation.... |
| 16:49.29 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: well, there is that |
| 16:49.34 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: there's very few of those though |
| 16:49.46 | rbarreiros | that's my only and biggest irk with python... |
| 16:49.51 | dstufft | rbarreiros, you never worked on a codebase with people who are zealots of their indenting style |
| 16:49.59 | rbarreiros | yes I did |
| 16:50.03 | arkanes_ | then you should probably try using python sometime, because it's really not a big deal |
| 16:50.15 | rbarreiros | we have to open hand on some things to ask for others |
| 16:50.15 | dstufft | who have their editors setup to convert every file to their indent style |
| 16:50.33 | rbarreiros | I never had an issue like that |
| 16:50.40 | rbarreiros | were mature, we sort out our issues |
| 16:50.56 | rbarreiros | in the ring as the last resort though :D |
| 16:50.59 | arkanes_ | the almost universal experience is that once you actually start writing code it bugs you for a few minutes and then you cease to notice it |
| 16:51.21 | dstufft | my biggest problem with python is now i get errors thrown anytime i try to write in another language |
| 16:51.32 | dstufft | no braces, or end or semicolons |
| 16:51.46 | rbarreiros | that could be said to any other guy programming in any other language trying to program in python |
| 16:51.48 | dstufft | my number one error in LUA is missing an end block |
| 16:51.57 | arkanes_ | once you start using python for real work, you will find many more things to irk you :P |
| 16:51.58 | rbarreiros | i just love ; |
| 16:52.19 | rbarreiros | arkanes_ i won't use python for work :) |
| 16:52.27 | dstufft | i have many sites in python arkanes_ i just don't get bothered by most of it |
| 16:52.48 | dstufft | though ; is valid in python |
| 16:52.53 | dstufft | if you really want to end your lines with it |
| 16:52.54 | pentium166 | it bugs me that semicolons are optional in javascript :( |
| 16:53.04 | rbarreiros | yeah I kinda don't like it eather |
| 16:53.04 | dstufft | im glad ; is optional in lua |
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| 16:53.10 | rbarreiros | should be mandatory |
| 16:53.18 | ckknight | I absolutely disagree. |
| 16:53.19 | dstufft | else none of my code would ever be right the first time |
| 16:53.21 | rbarreiros | aye that in lua also makes me a sad panda |
| 16:53.25 | ckknight | pentium166: either semicolon or newline. |
| 16:53.40 | rbarreiros | should be ; |
| 16:53.42 | dstufft | ; is pointless in the majority of cases where it's used |
| 16:53.45 | ckknight | lua just requires any whyitespace |
| 16:53.47 | ckknight | whitespace* |
| 16:55.32 | rbarreiros | lol |
| 16:55.33 | dstufft | wtf galakrond is still not up |
| 16:55.40 | rbarreiros | I just did what dstufft did about php |
| 16:55.52 | rbarreiros | google.com 'php problems', replace php with python |
| 16:56.08 | Balreign | with all the infos of this discussion, I will have a week to meditate... |
| 16:56.24 | rbarreiros | OR MORE |
| 16:56.27 | rbarreiros | ops caps |
| 16:56.30 | Balreign | or more |
| 16:56.34 | Balreign | indeed |
| 16:58.08 | rbarreiros | (forgive me as I'm not educated in python) I just read this in like the first hit: |
| 16:58.13 | rbarreiros | Memory Management The reference implementation uses reference counting, the worst-performing memory management scheme there is (compared to explicit malloc, conservative or precise garbage collection). google on python-list(comp.lang.python) and python-dev for "bohm", "mark", "sweep", "reference"... RC is considered a reasonable tradeoff for the portability, and the speed hit may not be as significant as you think owing to python's objec |
| 16:58.13 | rbarreiros | t usage. |
| 16:58.42 | rbarreiros | that would be awsome in a web site with shit crap loads of hits/sec |
| 16:59.22 | rbarreiros | "Python is slow - with or without garbage collection. If the speed hit of GC concerns you, you're using the wrong language to begin with. What you're proposing is to put airfins on a Ford Model T." |
| 16:59.32 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 16:59.35 | ckknight | Python is not a fast language |
| 16:59.48 | ckknight | reference counting is a legitimate form of garbage collection |
| 16:59.53 | ckknight | there are better systems out there, though |
| 17:00.13 | dstufft | you also have to realize there are multiple python's |
| 17:00.28 | ckknight | and some implementations of Python, e.g. Jython, IronPython don't use reference counting, but rather a mark-and-sweep system |
| 17:00.33 | dstufft | cpython is slow, there are other pythons where their is signifcant speedup |
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| 17:00.35 | rbarreiros | I have no idea about that, as I said I'm a python internals illiterate |
| 17:00.43 | rbarreiros | am just copy pasting |
| 17:00.48 | Balreign | ruby on rails |
| 17:00.49 | dstufft | yea im on the same site |
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| 17:01.34 | dstufft | for the majority of people CPython is fast enough, if you need faster there are faster python's available |
| 17:01.57 | ckknight | if you really need to crunch speed, Python is not the right language. |
| 17:02.10 | dstufft | and i do believe the unladen swallow project is backwards compat with CPython with the idea of contributing back to CPython |
| 17:02.48 | dstufft | no, but that doesn't make the faster pythons useless either. |
| 17:03.30 | quiescens | still going o.o |
| 17:03.53 | arkanes_ | people actually need raw CPU crunching speed far, far less often than they usually think they do too |
| 17:04.12 | nevcairiel | databases bottle-neck usually anyway |
| 17:04.12 | rbarreiros | doesn't make it really good for web development though, in the end, neither does PHP as java is still faster, but development time vs speed php is still the winner imho |
| 17:04.34 | arkanes_ | I write stuff in python and it beats the pants off our similar services in .net and java in terms of CPU usage, memory usage, throughput, everything |
| 17:04.49 | arkanes_ | part of that is cause I'm the more awesome programmer of course |
| 17:04.59 | dstufft | and even then, the majority of time if something is slow and you need raw cpu speed, you can always move the cpu bound portions to C module |
| 17:05.00 | rbarreiros | then sorry, you java writers aren't a big deal |
| 17:05.03 | rbarreiros | your* |
| 17:05.18 | rbarreiros | I have no experience with .net whatsoever though |
| 17:05.39 | arkanes_ | rbarreiros: no, it's because the problem domain doesn't have any bottlenecks that are addressed by Javas strengths |
| 17:06.10 | rbarreiros | fair point |
| 17:06.39 | arkanes_ | and cause I'm awesome |
| 17:06.51 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r6859 Citadel/Saurfang.lua: Saurfang: Bugfix. |
| 17:07.08 | rbarreiros | :) |
| 17:09.16 | yoshimo | the bugfix patch hasn been applied in europe yet, has it? |
| 17:11.06 | rbarreiros | hmm patch? |
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| 17:13.01 | quiescens | what did they supposedly fix anyway? |
| 17:15.09 | yoshimo | i only saw there is a 3.3.1a applied with rolling restarts |
| 17:15.43 | Stanzilla | 3.3.0a or 3.3.1a? |
| 17:15.49 | genetik- | i heard the mob positioning is better now |
| 17:16.02 | genetik- | as tanks around the world rejoice |
| 17:16.15 | quiescens | hurray~ |
| 17:16.51 | genetik- | been the most stressful week of tanking in a long time |
| 17:17.05 | dstufft | hm is there an event like TRADE_SKILL_SHOW or TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE but for the skills window? |
| 17:17.13 | dstufft | i can't seem to locate one on wowiki |
| 17:18.04 | yoshimo | maybe people cant write but the topic is called 3.3.1.a patch |
| 17:18.05 | rbarreiros | idd freaking mobs kept running into the backs |
| 17:18.30 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: linky linky? |
| 17:18.37 | ulic | dstufft: then you aren't looking hard enough :) |
| 17:18.50 | ulic | dstufft: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Tradeskill |
| 17:19.19 | yoshimo | http://www.spooncraft.com/featured-games/world-of-warcraft-featured-games/wow-patch-3-3-0a-deployed/ , Gnarfoz, might be a typo on the other one ;) |
| 17:19.59 | dstufft | ulic? I know that page, im asking if there is a similar event, but that is fired when the Skill window is opened/updated (the one that shows up when you hit k, lists like defense, lists your professions, your weapon skills etc) |
| 17:20.37 | ulic | oh, miss read, but I think there is |
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| 17:21.03 | dstufft | so far ive found SKILL_LINES_CHANGED but im not sure that's what i want, it's talking about the spellbook and spells not skills |
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| 17:22.20 | dstufft | then again, maybe i don't need to access GetSkillLineInfo only when the skill window is open, since there is only one set of skills |
| 17:22.42 | ulic | did you try using the event trace and pressing the button and see what appears in the log |
| 17:22.57 | ulic | I think /eventtrace is part of default WoW now. |
| 17:23.24 | dstufft | hm nevere ven heard of that before, just started writing addons |
| 17:23.27 | dstufft | that'll be handy |
| 17:23.32 | ulic | http://www.wowwiki.com/MACRO_eventtrace |
| 17:23.49 | dstufft | though i just found out that i can call my SkillCode anytime |
| 17:23.56 | ulic | I suggest not trying to run in Dalaran, you'll get so many events firing you'll never find the one you want. |
| 17:24.08 | dstufft | so my reason for looking for an event for it is no longer needed |
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| 17:25.27 | ulic | http://www.wowwiki.com/Macro_API#System_Commands for other possibly helpful Addon coding stuff. |
| 17:25.51 | Repo | 10simpleaurafilter: 03vaeyl * r16 Core.lua: fixed buffexit |
| 17:26.31 | dstufft | ulic: thanks |
| 17:27.12 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.0.9-14-g7ae90d6 Position/Position.lua: [+1 commit] Add preliminary movability for boss frames... probably as buggy as hell as I am yet to raid ICC. |
| 17:27.21 | Repo | 10simpleaurafilter: 03vaeyl 040.3 * r17 : Tagging as 0.3 |
| 17:27.33 | dstufft | muddling my way through all this, theres a lot of information for "hello world" and a lot for advanced, but not inbetween lol. Got 5 or so different addons open at the moment trying to see how they work |
| 17:27.53 | ulic | that's how I learn |
| 17:28.02 | quiescens | hello, world |
| 17:28.09 | ulic | find an addon that I think does something similar to what I want and try to figure out how it works. |
| 17:28.28 | nevcairiel | that may not be the best way to learn in WoW land |
| 17:28.35 | nevcairiel | as many many authors have no clue |
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| 17:29.56 | dstufft | i try to pick addons that i think are well done |
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| 17:30.19 | dstufft | though not knowing wow api, or lua very well its not always obvious |
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| 17:38.30 | Balreign | lua doc + wow api doc + others addons. that's how I've learned to begin |
| 17:39.39 | quiescens | just jump in and start making changes to an addon |
| 17:39.41 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 17:40.07 | arkanes_ | works best if you have an itch to scratch |
| 17:40.19 | arkanes_ | like, you like X addon except it does Y thing that bugs you and you want to fix it |
| 17:40.50 | Balreign | debugging is quite difficult sometimes |
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| 17:43.24 | rbarreiros | off to home, cya tomorrow |
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| 17:47.52 | pompy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21724986044&postId=217284516675&sid=1#4 this really a known bug? |
| 17:49.19 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 07master * v2.0.9-15-gfd27c23 CHANGELOG.txt: [+1 commit] Update changelog. |
| 17:49.28 | Repo | 10chinchilla: 03ethancentaurai 04v2.1 * db6d260 /: [new tag] Tagging as v2.1. |
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| 17:52.00 | dstufft | am i correct in the assumption that _ essentially means throw this value away? |
| 17:52.43 | arkanes_ | yes |
| 17:52.54 | Pneumatus | _ is a variable, same as any other, it's just a Lua convention to use _ for throwaway |
| 17:53.01 | arkanes_ | by convention, it's the name you use when you have to assign it to something but you're not going to use it |
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| 17:56.28 | Gnarfoz | make sure to make that a local _, though |
| 17:57.27 | dstufft | ive been declaring everything as local so as not to polute the namespace, figure if something needs to be something other then local it'll get me an error and i can go from there |
| 17:57.43 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2465 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: typo fixed |
| 18:01.08 | Primer | I'm a bit confused about who can commit to wowace svn repos |
| 18:01.29 | Primer | I have someone who created a German translation to my addon, and told him the repo was public, yet, he claims he can't commit |
| 18:01.41 | Primer | today I find that my repo's been "cloned" |
| 18:01.47 | Primer | I have no idea what that means |
| 18:02.07 | dstufft | cloned is just a copy |
| 18:02.26 | dstufft | cloning lets someone else make their own copy of your repo, in order to commit their own changes back to you |
| 18:02.34 | Primer | Is it that only registered developers can commit, or the actual public, anonymously, can commit? The latter sure would seem rather odd |
| 18:02.51 | dstufft | idk how it works for SVN though, since ot my knowledge SVN doesn't have a concept of cloning |
| 18:02.54 | dstufft | to* |
| 18:03.08 | Primer | yet my repo is svn, and the clone option exists |
| 18:03.24 | Primer | and there is now a copy of my repo |
| 18:03.40 | dstufft | cloning is typically a dvcs thing, though most likely wowace made custom cloning logic for SVN |
| 18:03.53 | dstufft | unless svn supports cloning and im just unawares |
| 18:04.04 | dstufft | i havn't used svn for some time. Been using Mercurial for awhile now |
| 18:04.14 | Arrowmaster | Primer: anybody with a curse account can commit to a project with an open repo |
| 18:04.33 | Primer | Ok, and my repo is open |
| 18:04.45 | FtH|Daemona | anyone know what 3.3.0a changes apart from the eu login info fix? |
| 18:04.55 | dstufft | is it normal to have a project open? that seems like it could be cause for some trouble |
| 18:05.30 | Primer | dstufft: that's the "recommended default" |
| 18:05.42 | Primer | in the repo management page for the project |
| 18:05.54 | Arrowmaster | wowace projects default to open, curseforge default to closed |
| 18:06.30 | dstufft | assuming your set to packaging on alpha, doesn't that mean that i could then commit code to any project and get it packaged for that project? |
| 18:06.39 | Primer | Well, in the past, people have committed translations to my addon without me being involved |
| 18:06.49 | Arrowmaster | yes but only people running the alphas would get it |
| 18:07.42 | dstufft | can only the project maintainer publish betas/release? |
| 18:07.49 | dstufft | (im fairly new to wowace) |
| 18:08.01 | Arrowmaster | manager/maintainer |
| 18:08.11 | Arrowmaster | but yes |
| 18:08.32 | dstufft | atleast its only alphas |
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| 18:09.46 | Primer | So only the maintainer can tag? |
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| 18:13.09 | NivFreak | @project zomgbuffs |
| 18:13.11 | Repo | NivFreak: http://www.wowace.com/addons/zomgbuffs/. ZOMGBuffs. Game: WoW. Zeksie (Manager/Author). Updated: 4 days ago. Tickets: 24/109 |
| 18:13.23 | NivFreak | ~seen zeksie |
| 18:13.26 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6d 9h 28s ago, saying: 'it's not wow that makes kids shoot up schools, it's the lack of patches'. |
| 18:13.38 | NivFreak | irony |
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| 18:16.35 | steev | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&cn=Steev halp, i get raped by marrowgar :( |
| 18:16.46 | Fisker | slaps steev around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:16.47 | Pneumatus | anyone know if INSTANCE_ENCOUNTER_ENGAGE_UNIT also fires at the end of an encounter to kill the targetframes? |
| 18:16.56 | steev | kisses Fisker |
| 18:16.57 | Repo | 10zzhuntar: 03Turaka * r58 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+] Added several other Locale's with default english texts |
| 18:17.16 | Repo | 10zzhuntar: 03Turaka 04v2.7.7 * r59 : Tagging as v2.7.7 |
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| 18:20.42 | Primer | hrmm, I wonder if this dude is trying to commit to a tag |
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| 18:26.38 | Myrroddin | and i need a break from coding LOL... |
| 18:27.42 | Fisker | btw steev |
| 18:27.47 | Fisker | are you using two tanks? |
| 18:28.04 | Primer | Have any addons hooked into the new blizz quest tracking? |
| 18:28.46 | arkanes_ | steev: figure out whats pwning you. Marrowgar can parry haste, you might want to go 2h for that fight. |
| 18:28.47 | Primer | I'd like to add a context menu to the map icons |
| 18:29.12 | Gnarfoz | lol dw tank :O |
| 18:29.28 | arkanes_ | and on a related note, I need to figure out whats wrong with our DKs gear/spec. I was taking 30% less damage per hit on algalon last night |
| 18:29.28 | Primer | steev: I was in a 10 man with 2 DK tanks and we just couldn't make it work, and I have 41.5k unbuffed |
| 18:29.28 | steev | arkanes_: having ~45k health raid buffed, taking 15k hits every 2 seconds |
| 18:29.41 | arkanes_ | steev: what kind of hits |
| 18:29.45 | Primer | the other tank though...about 44k BUFFED! |
| 18:29.52 | steev | arkanes_: um |
| 18:29.54 | steev | lash? |
| 18:29.58 | Primer | and he was getting raped |
| 18:29.58 | steev | the big hitter |
| 18:30.06 | arkanes_ | steev: your OT is in the wrong spot |
| 18:30.19 | steev | arkanes_: ... i was the offtank |
| 18:30.24 | steev | and i was standing right on top of him |
| 18:30.28 | Primer | with lag it makes it hard to stand in the same spot |
| 18:30.38 | arkanes_ | well, maybe they buffed it a bit |
| 18:30.40 | Primer | I'd move, he'd move, I'd move to compensate, etc |
| 18:30.47 | arkanes_ | I did on on wedensday, they might have hotxied |
| 18:30.53 | arkanes_ | Primer: yeah thats irritating |
| 18:30.55 | steev | Primer: we had him do a super jump |
| 18:31.17 | arkanes_ | the only time I took enough damage that I had to worry about it was right at the pull, and after the whirlwind, when I took a couple unsplit lashes |
| 18:31.30 | arkanes_ | On the other hand, I have considerably more health and armor than you |
| 18:31.31 | Fisker | you wouldn't tank a mob |
| 18:31.47 | arkanes_ | over 50k buffed |
| 18:32.25 | arkanes_ | steev: you have a world of logs account or similar? |
| 18:33.16 | arkanes_ | bah I didn't upload our run |
| 18:33.31 | steev | arkanes_: sadly, no |
| 18:33.45 | kadrahil | rawr |
| 18:33.47 | kadrahil | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:34.03 | Fisker | you wouldn't rawr a Fisker |
| 18:34.06 | Fisker | or slap a Fisker |
| 18:34.17 | Megalon | slaps Fisker to death |
| 18:34.18 | arkanes_ | or sleep with a fisker |
| 18:34.34 | arkanes_ | and if you give a fisker a cookie, he'll ask for a glass of milk |
| 18:34.34 | steev | arkanes_: this is from the other group who had a better geared dk than me offtanking - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/lbnrd77lfbi3f306/sum/damageTaken/?enc=bosses&boss=36612 |
| 18:34.45 | Fisker | a thousand LITERS OF MILK Archarodim |
| 18:34.46 | Fisker | arkanes |
| 18:34.53 | steev | they were only able to get it once they had a warrior alt that was tank specced come in and offtank |
| 18:35.16 | arkanes_ | steev: honestly we breezed through ICC10 and except for gunship captain I never bothered to look at my incoming damage with any great interest |
| 18:35.41 | arkanes_ | oh I did upload ours |
| 18:35.49 | Primer | sigh, in 10 man I did nothing but wipe on Morrowgar, on 2 of my 80s |
| 18:35.50 | Gaz2 | people seem to say "marrowgar? zzzzz" or "he pwns me unbelievably, not even getting close" |
| 18:36.11 | arkanes_ | yeah I'm not sure what problems people are having |
| 18:36.24 | Gaz2 | our main 10 one shot it, and after like 20 wipes we cant get the second group through. the tanks just get destroyed |
| 18:36.27 | steev | Primer: same, so wtf |
| 18:36.35 | arkanes_ | 6/10 raid members, including both tanks had never seen him before and we one shot it without thinking |
| 18:36.46 | pb_ee1 | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17519 |
| 18:37.00 | arkanes_ | steev: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/we6zjqcc9wmuvjjz/dashboard/?s=311&e=577 |
| 18:37.07 | Gaz2 | next attempt we might have the tanks /follow each other or something :P |
| 18:37.11 | steev | arkanes_: what do you tank as |
| 18:37.15 | Primer | steev: yeah, and then I hear stories of other groups breezing through all 4 bosses in ICC 10 |
| 18:37.19 | arkanes_ | steev: paladin |
| 18:37.36 | steev | ... |
| 18:37.49 | arkanes_ | I know this tends to feed the "paladins are OP" meme \ |
| 18:37.50 | steev | okay you did dual paladin |
| 18:37.55 | arkanes_ | we did |
| 18:38.00 | steev | thats pointless |
| 18:38.01 | arkanes_ | although my OT is usually a DK |
| 18:38.20 | steev | do it with the dk ot this week plz |
| 18:38.22 | steev | then come back |
| 18:38.23 | arkanes_ | whats pointless about it? |
| 18:38.43 | arkanes_ | it's not like we were like "rawr forums say paladins are OP, so we'll use 2 of them" |
| 18:38.51 | arkanes_ | thats just who showed up |
| 18:39.01 | steev | no, but when dk's are saying "we're having issues with it" |
| 18:39.06 | steev | and you're like, eh, no problems here |
| 18:39.11 | arkanes_ | my OT is also pretty bad :\ |
| 18:39.11 | steev | but you didn't use any dk tanks |
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| 18:39.22 | arkanes_ | well, *you* said you were having trouble |
| 18:39.31 | arkanes_ | I didn't know you were talking about DKs in general |
| 18:39.49 | steev | they are the only ones who seem to have issues in 10 :-P |
| 18:40.15 | arkanes_ | your raids damage taken meter looks so much different than mine |
| 18:40.46 | arkanes_ | saber lash is the only thing hitting them, nobody is even touching the fire |
| 18:41.29 | Primer | btw, what was that patch for today? |
| 18:41.35 | arkanes_ | no notes yet |
| 18:41.43 | Primer | I have a guildy telling me that it was some sort of "latency issue" |
| 18:41.46 | arkanes_ | I suspect it was fixing tooltips for the hotfixes earlier this week though |
| 18:41.47 | genetik- | Primer: i'm told mob positioning seems better |
| 18:41.47 | Primer | and I told him he was on crack |
| 18:41.52 | kadrahil | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:42.14 | arkanes_ | mob positioning probably wouldn't take a clientside patch |
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| 18:42.33 | steev | akwtf? |
| 18:42.35 | arkanes_ | I dunno maybe for the prediction |
| 18:42.41 | steev | arkanes_: wtf? |
| 18:42.55 | steev | how did you guy pass that with no one doing more than 1k dps except the tanks |
| 18:43.21 | steev | oh wait |
| 18:43.22 | steev | thats damage taken |
| 18:43.31 | quiescens | /golfclap |
| 18:43.56 | steev | do love the paladin who lived .3 seconds |
| 18:44.35 | arkanes_ | yeah he didn't really know what he was doing :P |
| 18:44.55 | arkanes_ | he was a healer |
| 18:45.16 | arkanes_ | so I was about to say maybe our healing was just better, but eh I don't know |
| 18:45.56 | arkanes_ | hmm maybe he didn't die and it's just an activity glitch |
| 18:46.17 | steev | currently, paladin/paladin, paladin/druid, paladin/warrior = okay, ??/dk = roflmao |
| 18:46.55 | arkanes_ | I'm wondering if there's some bug in frost presence or something |
| 18:47.10 | arkanes_ | like I said, last night on algalon our DK was taking almost 5k/hit more than I was |
| 18:47.49 | arkanes_ | adding up the DR from abilities doesn't seem to come to that level of damage difference |
| 18:48.07 | arkanes_ | makes a note to check blade barrier uptime. |
| 18:48.35 | dstufft | hm, if i have a table that is an array of strings, how would i check to see if a particular string is within that array? |
| 18:48.44 | dstufft | do i have to loop over the entire array? |
| 18:48.53 | arkanes_ | steev: incidentally, the official guild run on Tuesday was warrior/dk and they didn't have any real problems either, 2 shot I Think |
| 18:48.54 | dstufft | or is there an "in" keyword? |
| 18:49.11 | arkanes_ | steev: I'm the only one who runs logs though and I wasn't there for it so I don't have one of those |
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| 18:49.42 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/lbnrd77lfbi3f306/details/8/?enc=bosses&boss=36612 |
| 18:49.57 | steev | thats what i see - an average of 13k per hit in my combat log |
| 18:50.30 | steev | aha |
| 18:50.32 | steev | our healer did |
| 18:50.36 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/qmraz7296sofq9er/ |
| 18:50.39 | steev | thats our run |
| 18:51.47 | arkanes_ | steev: my average saber lash is 12.3k, not that different |
| 18:52.16 | steev | arkanes_: i was taking 15k :( |
| 18:52.39 | arkanes_ | wow and you took a fuckton of them |
| 18:52.51 | arkanes_ | oh thats over all attempts |
| 18:54.30 | steev | arkanes_: like i said, i dunno wtf im doing wrong |
| 18:54.56 | arkanes_ | steev: 55.8% uptime on blade barrier? |
| 18:55.32 | steev | arkanes_: 40%ish |
| 18:55.37 | arkanes_ | looks like it was near 100% when you were actually getting hit though |
| 18:55.44 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.46 | arkanes_ | steev: I'm just looking at your longest attempt |
| 18:56.20 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:57.36 | arkanes_ | okay and your MT took almost identical damag |
| 18:57.52 | arkanes_ | and the damage from saber matches up with the melee damage, as it should be if its getting split |
| 18:58.13 | asmodai | dstufft: for pairs or for ipairs IIRC |
| 19:01.00 | dstufft | asmodai, yea i know i can do that to loop over them, i was just wondering if there was a more effecient way then looping over the array and doing an equality test. |
| 19:01.05 | arkanes_ | steev: your pally is a flash of light spammer |
| 19:01.19 | arkanes_ | steev: have him re-gear and start using holy light instead |
| 19:02.14 | steev | regear? |
| 19:02.16 | arkanes_ | steev: I think the average damage I take less than you is mostly attributable to my gear & partly to class differences, but if you look at healing done you'll see that ours did a lot more throughput |
| 19:02.35 | arkanes_ | flash of light spamming builds gear for spellpower, holy lighers need to gear entirely for int |
| 19:02.37 | steev | yeah - the shaman we took was a bit undergeared |
| 19:02.50 | arkanes_ | also we 2 healed it, so our fight was a lot shorter |
| 19:03.01 | arkanes_ | on that 4 minute attempt, what % did you wipe at? |
| 19:03.05 | steev | 58 |
| 19:03.14 | arkanes_ | yeah, our kill was only slightly longer |
| 19:03.30 | steev | well i'd rather go in as dps |
| 19:03.32 | arkanes_ | to be fair, some of our DPS was from a world top 100 guild that was slumming |
| 19:03.34 | steev | but meh |
| 19:03.48 | steev | either way |
| 19:04.06 | steev | i hit friendly last night which was what i was mainly aiming for |
| 19:04.06 | arkanes_ | we had WORLD FAMOUS caster dps :P |
| 19:04.29 | Primer | What's the command to get the name of a mouseover frame? |
| 19:04.29 | arkanes_ | checks her actual DPS to see. |
| 19:04.47 | Primer | I mean, I know I've done this before, and addons that can move frames can do this |
| 19:04.50 | Primer | unless I'm on crack |
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| 19:05.19 | arkanes_ | steev: yeah we had quite a bit better DPS too |
| 19:05.29 | arkanes_ | steev: I think you're mainly hitting a gear check that we just pass |
| 19:05.43 | arkanes_ | definitely look into talking with your holy pally about holy light |
| 19:05.48 | Yssaril_ | primer i use tekkubs Spew addon wich uses /spew mouse :) |
| 19:06.12 | steev | arkanes_: our guild is #7 on our server |
| 19:06.23 | arkanes_ | steev: well |
| 19:06.27 | steev | according to guildox |
| 19:06.32 | steev | http://www.guildox.com/go/g.asp?a=1&r=Sen%27jin-US&w= |
| 19:06.37 | steev | premo of course being #1 |
| 19:06.57 | steev | thats 25s, in 10s, we're 10 |
| 19:06.59 | arkanes_ | steev: that may just mean your server has less guilds. All I can tell you is that we on average substantially outgear you |
| 19:07.20 | arkanes_ | or at least put out better numbers, I didn't armory all your DPS |
| 19:07.25 | steev | arkanes_: yeah, there's not a ton of interest in gearups otuside the 25s |
| 19:07.39 | Adremma | Primer: /framestack? |
| 19:07.57 | arkanes_ | steev: now our top 3 dps were from Fusion, which is a world class guild and top on our server |
| 19:08.01 | steev | there's one group of 10 that goes, but they don't invite anyone outside that group |
| 19:08.09 | arkanes_ | but they're only maybe 10-20% better than our guild DPS generally does |
| 19:09.15 | Primer | Adremma: ohhh nice |
| 19:09.15 | Primer | thanks |
| 19:09.15 | arkanes_ | and our top DPS hunter is in-guild |
| 19:11.19 | arkanes_ | steev: I'm looking at the damage spike that killed your MT on that 4 minute attempt and if your pally was using holy light he'd have had the throughput to keep him up |
| 19:13.03 | arkanes_ | looks like beacon fell off and he didn't get it back up? |
| 19:14.10 | arkanes_ | yeah the last heal from the paladin landed on your MT 5 seconds before the spike even happened |
| 19:14.28 | arkanes_ | unless you called for a wipe, healer problem |
| 19:14.48 | Gnarfoz | !api quests |
| 19:14.48 | lua_bot | Found 13 possible matches for 'quests'. Please be more specific |
| 19:14.51 | Gnarfoz | !api quests completed |
| 19:14.52 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'quests completed'. |
| 19:14.53 | Gnarfoz | !api questscompleted |
| 19:14.53 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'questscompleted': GetQuestsCompleted, GetDailyQuestsCompleted, QueryQuestsCompleted |
| 19:18.46 | Primer | So it seems this is the WorldMapPOIFrame |
| 19:19.19 | Primer | Anyone know of addons that hook into this? I'd like to add a right click event to this |
| 19:20.31 | Primer | must RegisterForClicks be enabled for OnEnter event to happen? |
| 19:20.35 | harl | what's wrong with the "equipped" macro conditional. i can't get it to work any more. |
| 19:20.58 | Primer | works fine for me |
| 19:21.05 | Primer | perhaps you upper cased the E? |
| 19:21.08 | Primer | I've done that before |
| 19:21.17 | Primer | which, of course, causes it to fail |
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| 19:21.31 | harl | no, i didn't |
| 19:22.13 | steev | arkanes_: ill talk to him about it |
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| 19:26.10 | Primer | I still can't type in the calendar without losing focus |
| 19:26.22 | harl | damn, it's working now, forgot to localize the item subtype. |
| 19:26.22 | Primer | and my typing ending up in the default UI |
| 19:26.30 | harl | same here, primer. |
| 19:28.30 | Primer | I had to open the macro dialog, type, copy, then paste |
| 19:28.43 | Primer | otherwise I would never have finished |
| 19:28.50 | arkanes_ | steev: I don't mean to sit here dissing on your guild, but that pally healer seems to be having a lot of trouble with keeping beacon up, and being ready when you pull |
| 19:29.10 | arkanes_ | steev: the only attempt he actually maintained it for most of the fight was your best attempt |
| 19:29.12 | steev | arkanes_: its fine - he's a new recruit :) |
| 19:29.35 | arkanes_ | first 2 attempts, snuggielord pulls, gets no heals, dies |
| 19:30.24 | arkanes_ | on that fourth one, it looks like minotaurcd got impaled, and none of the other healers picked up direct heals on snuggie - he got druid hots only until death |
| 19:30.39 | arkanes_ | so faster DPS on the bone spike, or better raid communication might have saved that |
| 19:30.59 | arkanes_ | 5th attempt, no beacon, no mt heals, dead tank |
| 19:31.09 | ulic | mmm bacon |
| 19:31.22 | arkanes_ | and the same on the last |
| 19:31.27 | dstufft | ugh |
| 19:31.28 | arkanes_ | I think I got the numbers messed up a bit |
| 19:31.35 | dstufft | why does lua use ~= instead of != |
| 19:31.42 | dstufft | does != do something else in lua |
| 19:31.58 | arkanes_ | I always want to read ~= as a string match :( |
| 19:32.01 | steev | arkanes_: i appreciate it - you're the only person who's really looked at what we might be doing wrong :) |
| 19:32.14 | dstufft | arkanes_, me too |
| 19:33.40 | arkanes_ | steev: MOAR DPS, and have a chat with that pally and I bet you can kill this guy this week |
| 19:34.26 | arkanes_ | ICC is not friendly to 2k dpsers |
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| 19:38.49 | arkanes_ | steev: gearwise, the main thing that I see for you is that you have very unfortunate tanking professions |
| 19:39.30 | steev | blacksmith/jewelcrafting? |
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| 19:41.18 | arkanes_ | thats the twinker ones yeah |
| 19:41.37 | arkanes_ | I'm miner/jc which is nearly as good, but you happened to pick 2 that have almost 0 tank utility |
| 19:41.54 | steev | arkanes_: thats because i'm normally dps :) |
| 19:42.07 | arkanes_ | well there you go then |
| 19:42.08 | steev | i just tank the 10s because i want to do them so i set up the runs |
| 19:42.14 | arkanes_ | nod |
| 19:42.39 | dstufft | miner/jc too, miner because its the same as bsing for tanking but with a fraction of the cost >.> |
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| 19:44.04 | arkanes_ | bs/jc gives you the most flexibility in terms of role switching |
| 19:44.33 | arkanes_ | I need to get around to leveling mining on my druid so I can switch |
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| 19:53.05 | Myrroddin | well, off to work. food and trying to thaw out my car first.... |
| 19:53.19 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r227 modules (3 files in 1 directory): Added procs, and fixed the Warlock's Molten Core proc. |
| 19:58.39 | mitchnull | ~seen copystring |
| 19:58.41 | purl | copystring is currently on #wowprogramming (2h 11m 55s) #wowuidev (2h 11m 55s) #wowace (2h 11m 55s) #curseforge (2h 11m 55s), last said: 'why is my project on curseforge when i created it on wowace? O_o'. |
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| 20:07.06 | dstufft | anyone with a minute mind checking out http://bit.ly/6HS7uV and see if there is any glaring "things done wrong" |
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| 20:11.16 | Repo | 10broker_playtimer: 03mscottforbes * r2 Broker_PlayTimer (60 files in 14 directories): Initial upload |
| 20:11.50 | Yssaril | dstufft: why local abandoned at the top just use the string directly in your code |
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| 20:17.02 | ulic | also I believe most make constants all uppercase, if you decide to continue using it |
| 20:19.57 | dstufft | i try to avoid hardcoded literals |
| 20:20.08 | Yssaril | why? |
| 20:20.17 | dstufft | though im still removing them from my .lua here |
| 20:20.26 | Gagorian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.26 | Gagorian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.30 | Gagorian | thats also unnecessary |
| 20:20.50 | nevcairiel | yeah loop variables are automagically local'ed |
| 20:21.02 | dstufft | ah i didn't know loop variables were automatically local |
| 20:21.39 | nevcairiel | they only live in the scope of the loop, afterwards they are nil and void |
| 20:21.57 | dstufft | and i avoid hardcoded literals because i want it to be that string anywhere i use it, and to only have to change it one place. (though i suppose it would help if you knew that this is only part of a larger project and is only just how far i am as of now) |
| 20:22.27 | Yssaril | dstufft: on line 18 you can simply do self.db.char.tradeskills = self.db.char.tradeskills or {} |
| 20:22.53 | nevcairiel | that wont get you debug output, though =p |
| 20:23.10 | Yssaril | true |
| 20:23.16 | dstufft | is there a speedup in doing it like that? |
| 20:23.26 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 20:23.39 | dstufft | k, gonna leave it like it is then for the debug string |
| 20:23.45 | Yssaril | minor because you are not calling the debug statement :P |
| 20:23.48 | Gagorian | It's probably slower actually |
| 20:24.01 | Gagorian | (discounting the debug thingie) |
| 20:24.05 | nevcairiel | why would it be slower? |
| 20:24.29 | nevcairiel | besides, its just init code |
| 20:24.33 | nevcairiel | nothing to over-optimize |
| 20:25.02 | Gagorian | Doesn't self.db.char.tradeskills = self.db.char.tradeskills cost more than just the if-clause? |
| 20:25.10 | Gagorian | (in case it's not nil) |
| 20:26.56 | Yssaril | Gagorian: you are doing a logic operation either way |
| 20:27.20 | dstufft | changed the abandoned to uppercase for style reasons. |
| 20:27.38 | Yssaril | 2 i think if you do the if statment cause evaluate tradeskills and then not it |
| 20:28.05 | Primer | must one registerforclicks for onenter event? |
| 20:28.24 | Yssaril | as opposed to the direct assignment where you evaluate tradeskill if it does it simply returns that asap without doing anything else |
| 20:28.29 | Shadowed | EnableMouse not RegisterForClicks Primer |
| 20:28.32 | Shadowed | RegisterForClicks is for OnClick |
| 20:28.32 | Yssaril | could be compleatly wrong though |
| 20:28.38 | Primer | Shadowed: ahhh thanks! |
| 20:28.57 | dstufft | Gagorian, local i |
| 20:28.57 | dstufft | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.00 | Repo | 10broker_playtimer: 03mscottforbes * r3 Broker_PlayTimer/: Removing nested folder |
| 20:29.20 | Gagorian | dstufft: Yes |
| 20:29.43 | Repo | 10broker_playtimer: 03mscottforbes * r4 / (3 files in 2 directories): Removing nested folder |
| 20:30.53 | dstufft | k, removed all of that as well |
| 20:32.43 | Gagorian | Yssaril: Testing with luac your simplification is about 50% slower in both cases ;) |
| 20:32.52 | Gagorian | If we disregard the debug statement |
| 20:33.42 | Gagorian | But it looks nicer of course |
| 20:33.53 | Gagorian | And like nevcairiel said it doesn't matter in this case |
| 20:34.18 | Primer | hrmm, WorldMapPOIFrame:RegisterForClicks("RightMouseUp") says that function is nil |
| 20:34.29 | Balreign | just asking but why use LibDebugLog instead of print()? |
| 20:34.32 | dstufft | http://bit.ly/88ynnS there we go, fixed up all of that |
| 20:34.39 | Primer | WorldMapPOIFrame:RegisterForClicks("RightButtonUp") |
| 20:34.40 | Primer | that is |
| 20:35.30 | Repo | 10broker_playtimer: 03mscottforbes 041.0 * r5 : Tagging as 1.0 |
| 20:36.06 | dstufft | Balreign, i could have done print's with a if self.debug wrapped around it i suppose, LibDebugLog let's you log to files as well if you install http://www.wowace.com/addons/debug-log-backend/ |
| 20:36.39 | Primer | I guess it needs to be a button |
| 20:37.06 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 20:38.14 | Primer | hrmm, so how do I find out what kind of frame WorldMapPOIFrame is |
| 20:38.16 | Primer | ? |
| 20:38.44 | Balreign | WorldMapPOIFrame:GetObjectType() |
| 20:40.19 | Primer | Adding my own right click handler for that shouldn't be hard, right? |
| 20:40.26 | Primer | I mean, I'm thinking just a few lines |
| 20:41.08 | Shadowed | It's a QuestPOI Primer |
| 20:41.12 | Shadowed | or something like that |
| 20:42.02 | Primer | I've been able to add an OnEnter event with one line quite easily with an in-game /run |
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| 20:44.07 | Fisker | btw Yssaril |
| 20:44.14 | Fisker | what the fuck do you think you are doing? |
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| 20:45.55 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: why the fuck are those crashed not fixed, yet?! this is not an amusement park, GET TO WORK DAMNIT |
| 20:46.23 | Balreign | crash? |
| 20:49.05 | Fisker | they're fixed Gnarfoz |
| 20:49.08 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 20:49.10 | Primer | heh, GetObjectType() == "Frame" |
| 20:50.48 | Megalon | fuckfixes Fisker |
| 20:51.23 | Fisker | fistfucks Megalon |
| 20:51.57 | asmodai | hooookay |
| 20:53.55 | Kalroth | way to break the party |
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| 20:55.38 | Primer | hrmm, this should be easy |
| 20:57.51 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: how so? I doubt that. |
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| 20:58.38 | Fisker | Gnarfoz SOCD was fucking up |
| 20:58.49 | Fisker | well or as orionshock puts it "Blizzard was fucking up" |
| 20:59.09 | Gnarfoz | uhhh got any timestamp where I could look around in the log? |
| 20:59.39 | Fisker | no! |
| 20:59.43 | Gnarfoz | I don't even have SOCD loaded in raids, tho |
| 21:00.08 | Gnarfoz | so I'm interested in finding out what Blizz fucked up to check if maybe another addon is having the same problem |
| 21:00.12 | Fisker | [12:27:26] <orionshock> KriLL3: I used the Animation system to run 2 timers, aparently a timer that runs for about 40mins locks up the system |
| 21:00.27 | Fisker | Questhelper apparently had an similar issue |
| 21:00.32 | Balreign | Primer, if it's a frame then try to use SetScript("OnMouseDown", <function>) |
| 21:02.11 | Primer | trying |
| 21:03.02 | Yssaril | Fisker: good question |
| 21:03.17 | Fisker | marrowgar and deathwhisper have changed places here |
| 21:03.52 | Yssaril | Fisker: is it wrong? (was following what wowhead had since my inital location placement was a pure guss) |
| 21:04.34 | Primer | I really wish you could edit your last chat text and keep that in the history |
| 21:04.47 | Fisker | it's very wrong Yssaril |
| 21:05.04 | Yssaril | Fisker: lol ok i'll switch them back :P |
| 21:05.15 | Primer | as in, type a command, then bring it up again, edit it, and have 2 lines of distinct history, rather than only the edited one |
| 21:05.53 | Primer | sigh, I just realized that what I want to do wont be easy since I can't seem to find any map coords for these POI |
| 21:06.44 | Balreign | Primer, try prat |
| 21:06.49 | NeoTron | anyone played with demo lock after the patch? |
| 21:06.53 | Primer | heh, that's WITH prat |
| 21:07.14 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * faf3d04 Data/BossData.lua: [+1 commit] apparently wowhead is wrong about Deathwispers and Marrowgars locations (blame Fisker if its wrong) |
| 21:07.25 | Fisker | BAM |
| 21:07.29 | Fisker | new loot for me steev |
| 21:08.12 | Fisker | which fucking sucks |
| 21:08.19 | SunTsu | Yay, updating SOCD finally fixed my freezes *dance* |
| 21:08.28 | Fisker | because now i have to change out all my str/hit gems with str/crit gems |
| 21:08.29 | Fisker | ffffuuuuuuu |
| 21:08.40 | Primer | wtf is SOCD? |
| 21:08.49 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50453 |
| 21:10.00 | SunTsu | Primer: sick of clicking dailies |
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| 21:17.43 | steev | Fisker: nice |
| 21:17.55 | steev | Fisker: i got boots :) |
| 21:18.18 | steev | we go back in tonight, hopefully we get past the gunship and whatever the last boss is |
| 21:18.35 | Fisker | you won't get past the last boss |
| 21:18.36 | Fisker | hoho |
| 21:19.42 | steev | probably true |
| 21:19.45 | steev | we suck as a whole |
| 21:19.53 | steev | but individually i am awesome |
| 21:19.56 | Fisker | no |
| 21:19.59 | Fisker | you won't get past him |
| 21:20.01 | Fisker | the door is locked |
| 21:20.02 | Fisker | DUH |
| 21:20.07 | steev | oh |
| 21:20.09 | steev | so |
| 21:20.15 | steev | im already friendly so i don't really care :) |
| 21:26.45 | Fisker | lol :( |
| 21:27.07 | Pneumatus | tekkub: 1x GreedBeacon-3.1.0.7\GreedBeacon.lua:123: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value) |
| 21:27.10 | Fisker | deathwhisper just aoe-gibbed 4 players and we got her loose @ a new wave |
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| 21:32.13 | steev | Fisker: ouch |
| 21:32.25 | steev | i think we had like 1 second left before the next wave when we got her in 25 |
| 21:37.00 | Mikk | Yssaril: wait... you're trusting what Fisker says? |
| 21:37.03 | Mikk | when coding an addon? |
| 21:37.05 | Mikk | runs & hides |
| 21:37.21 | Mikk | rm -rf Yss* |
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| 21:39.56 | asmodai | hah |
| 21:40.26 | SunTsu | You read every mail from Yss* real fast? |
| 21:41.52 | Fisker | got her next try though steev |
| 21:41.56 | Fisker | and the damn boots and neck dropped |
| 21:41.59 | Fisker | and i won neither :( |
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| 21:47.44 | Hjalte | pb_ee1: Crafts is being a naughty boy and is overwriting the other tooltips in NinjaPanel after a few seconds of watching them. |
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| 21:48.02 | Fisker | gunship battle goooo |
| 21:48.09 | pb_ee1 | Hjalte, same name? |
| 21:48.45 | pb_ee1 | name is "CraftsGameTooltip" |
| 21:49.09 | pb_ee1 | If it's the case, then it's not me that should rename the internal tooltip p; |
| 21:49.32 | pb_ee1 | Should be something such as NinjaPanelCraftsGameTooltip |
| 21:49.35 | Hjalte | pb_ee1: It does it to all the tooltips. Like, I hover over the tooltip of Golden Ticket, and one second later everything is removed and replaced by the countdown by Crafts. |
| 21:49.37 | pb_ee1 | (if that's the case) |
| 21:49.52 | Hjalte | All LDB tooltips* |
| 21:49.55 | pb_ee1 | Golden Ticket? |
| 21:50.05 | Hjalte | It's a LDB plugin |
| 21:50.13 | pb_ee1 | Ho, LDB tooltips |
| 21:50.17 | pb_ee1 | huh |
| 21:50.29 | steev | *sigh* |
| 21:50.32 | steev | http://redmine.lighttpd.net/boards/3/topics/2361 |
| 21:50.40 | Repo | 10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r89 Modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:50.42 | Repo | - prevent hooking the static popup functions more than once. |
| 21:50.43 | Repo | - fix Confirm BoP and Confirm DE item matching in the popup windows (regex special cases) |
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| 21:51.09 | Gnarfoz | orionshock: could you elaborate on this animation system timer issue? is there any specific function call I could grep my addon dir for to see if any other addon uses this stuff? :) |
| 21:51.16 | pb_ee1 | Hjalte, how is the tooltip overriden, |
| 21:51.18 | pb_ee1 | ? |
| 21:51.27 | pb_ee1 | Ho I see |
| 21:51.38 | pb_ee1 | It's a intended behavior |
| 21:51.44 | pb_ee1 | the tooltip updates itself because of the cooldown |
| 21:51.58 | Hjalte | pb_ee1: It is using the same tooltip dimensions, but removes everything that was originally there and stuffs Crafts tooltip in it :) |
| 21:52.08 | Hjalte | Yeah, but I don't suppose it is intended to do it to other tooltips than its own? :) |
| 21:52.16 | pb_ee1 | You're right |
| 21:52.20 | pb_ee1 | I need a use case to fix that |
| 21:52.27 | pb_ee1 | A sample of addons name, a conf, and a use case |
| 21:52.38 | Hjalte | Oh my god, two smilies so close. Look at what you made me do. |
| 21:52.38 | pb_ee1 | After reproducing it, i'll be able to fix it |
| 21:53.13 | pb_ee1 | lol |
| 21:53.15 | pb_ee1 | No worries ;p |
| 21:53.32 | Hjalte | You should be able to simply grab Ninjapanel and if you are using almost any addons at all, they'll have a launcher or something on it. |
| 21:53.51 | pb_ee1 | I'll try that |
| 21:54.03 | pb_ee1 | please leave a comment on crafts's homepage on wowace |
| 21:54.28 | Hjalte | Right. I just found out Crafts does it to all my tooltips. |
| 21:54.41 | Hjalte | Sorry for confusing you. |
| 21:54.51 | pb_ee1 | Weird. |
| 21:55.03 | Hjalte | I am using TipTac for tooltips |
| 21:55.14 | pb_ee1 | Something bad is happening here |
| 21:55.19 | pb_ee1 | o:) |
| 21:55.34 | pb_ee1 | But I don't see what :( |
| 21:55.42 | Hjalte | Could it be related to TipTac providing a plugin doing this: Improves the display of the ItemRef tooltip, which is the tip shown when clicking items, spells and achievements in chat. |
| 21:57.26 | Hjalte | pb_ee1: Yes, that plugin to tiptac is definately the cause of it. |
| 21:58.03 | Yssaril | Mikk: as much as i trues wowhead with brand new boss locations :P |
| 21:58.05 | pb_ee1 | Ho, I was going to advice you to disable each addon to see which one was causing this p; |
| 21:58.26 | pb_ee1 | Hjalte, now I need to know if TipTac is badly coded or if I killed everything with my addon ;p |
| 21:59.07 | pb_ee1 | 1st case) won't do anything - 2nd case) need to investigate |
| 22:01.55 | Hjalte | I left a comment on your Crafts page now. |
| 22:02.01 | Hjalte | Good luck with it. |
| 22:07.12 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2763 / (4 files in 3 directories): |
| 22:07.14 | Repo | Reordered some of the option modules under Ackis Recipe List in the Interface Options. |
| 22:07.15 | Repo | Reworded some phrases. |
| 22:07.20 | Repo | Updated the Spanish translation for the description, on the main ARL page and the wowwiki page. |
| 22:09.19 | dstufft | hm wowhead doesn't have a xml feed for spells, should i scrape html to mine the data myself >.> |
| 22:09.25 | dstufft | er or mine* |
| 22:09.39 | Primer | that's what I do for flying mounts |
| 22:09.52 | Primer | feel free to check out my scrape script |
| 22:10.33 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/flight-hud/view/trunk/scrape.pl |
| 22:10.36 | dstufft | yea im thinking i'm gonna scrape it, why make yet another addon-data miner |
| 22:10.43 | dstufft | ah perl |
| 22:10.59 | Primer | heh, I just shell out to wget |
| 22:11.04 | dstufft | ah |
| 22:11.09 | dstufft | didn't actually open it yet |
| 22:11.11 | dstufft | jsut saw the .pl |
| 22:11.43 | SunTsu | Primer: WWW:Curl? |
| 22:11.47 | Primer | meh |
| 22:11.57 | dstufft | yea suppose i'll just do that, much easier then then trying to maintain my own DB |
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| 22:16.16 | Fisker | Saurfang is mean :( |
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| 22:18.50 | Pneumatus | especially if you forget to take casters |
| 22:19.10 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Should I set up SVN keywords to have LibTourist automatically bump its MINOR, or just do it manually? |
| 22:19.30 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 22:19.44 | Arrowmaster | there is a keyword setup |
| 22:21.05 | Repo | 10barrel: 03mitch0 * r58 / (4 files in 1 directory): fixes for 3.3 and to work with embedded libs |
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| 22:21.33 | Torhal | I haven't done anything with my local SVN so I was assuming that if I committed it wouldn't bump the lib's minor version |
| 22:21.52 | Arrowmaster | mine shows it |
| 22:22.47 | Pneumatus | such fail having to wait another few days before i can test my dogtags patch for boss unitids :< |
| 22:22.52 | Arrowmaster | check a diff of what you would be committing, if it doesnt show the properties being removed you should be safe |
| 22:23.07 | Torhal | Good deal. |
| 22:23.09 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r705 Frozen_Halls/Scourgelord_Tyrannus.lua: Removed extra parameter. |
| 22:24.50 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r706 Frozen_Halls/Scourgelord_Tyrannus.lua: Really make brand only for the player |
| 22:27.33 | Fisker | btw vhaarr or Funkeh` ? |
| 22:29.24 | Fisker | http://paste.wowace.com/1549/ <-getting these 2 errors on Saurfang 25 |
| 22:31.44 | asmodai | noooooooooooo |
| 22:31.54 | asmodai | I should've ordered it this afternoon :( |
| 22:31.56 | asmodai | http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003517 |
| 22:33.07 | Fisker | baw |
| 22:33.40 | Fisker | don't really like the mug |
| 22:33.45 | asmodai | I liked it :( |
| 22:33.46 | Fisker | moar handle |
| 22:40.01 | sb|work | fucking yes.... anub down finally |
| 22:40.10 | sylvanaar | fuck that bug |
| 22:40.21 | sylvanaar | grats. |
| 22:41.25 | Stanzilla | you are not in a raid group spam is damn annoying ./ |
| 22:42.42 | Torhal | You wouldn't be in a raid group Stanzilla |
| 22:42.46 | Torhal | Fiskers! |
| 22:43.28 | Stanzilla | I'm not |
| 22:43.31 | Stanzilla | just playing arena :( |
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| 22:46.51 | dstufft | theres some addon to fix that Stanzilla i got it in BG's but the addon made it go away /shrug |
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| 22:50.39 | Arrowmaster | the fix is for addons to stop using GetNumRaidMembers() to determine if they can use SendAddonMessage() to "RAID" |
| 22:51.47 | Stanzilla | dstufft: wasn't that for you are not in a party? |
| 22:52.10 | Arrowmaster | hiding one visable effect of the problem does not make it go away |
| 22:53.07 | sylvanaar | im mounted on a mechanostrider in flight form |
| 22:54.02 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox * r82 Ailo.lua: |
| 22:54.04 | Repo | Open raid frame on leftclick, manual update with shift-click |
| 22:55.23 | sylvanaar | http://yfrog.com/iywowscrnshot121409175206j |
| 22:57.19 | ulic | sylvanaar is a hacker |
| 23:00.46 | sylvanaar | is that not awesome |
| 23:02.10 | Funkeh` | Fisker, l2update |
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| 23:03.37 | Repo | 10handy-notes_charon: 03zarevak * r21 / (3 files in 2 directories): small fixes and tweaks |
| 23:03.39 | Repo | localizable death types |
| 23:04.07 | Fisker | i got the newest that Curse can throw at me Funkeh` :( |
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| 23:06.15 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: fix it! |
| 23:06.41 | Funkeh` | pfft |
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| 23:07.28 | Funkeh` | several calls of targetmessage so it's hard to know what's at fault without a deeper trace |
| 23:07.45 | Funkeh` | oh nvm i actually read the error |
| 23:10.29 | ulic | I think it's just not passing spellName to the warn function |
| 23:14.50 | Repo | 10big-wigs_pizza-bar: 03profalbert 07master * v1.3.4-4-g7b34bba / (3 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits] |
| 23:14.52 | Repo | 7b34bba: udpate changelog |
| 23:14.53 | Repo | c848530: bump toc to 30300 |
| 23:14.54 | Repo | 90c2fd2: adapt to new BigWigs-bars-API (key-parameter) |
| 23:14.55 | Repo | 25ee8e5: update changelog |
| 23:15.26 | Repo | 10big-wigs_pizza-bar: 03profalbert 04v1.3.5 * 11209d0 /: [new tag] tag as v1.3.5 (for wow 3.3) |
| 23:16.27 | Repo | 10bartender4_dualspec: 03profalbert 07master * v1.1-1-g0f9425a Bartender4_Dualspec.toc: [+1 commit] bump toc to 30300 |
| 23:17.44 | Repo | 10bigbrother_ready: 03profalbert 07master * v0.1-beta-1-g5cb0d78 BigBrother_Ready.toc: [+1 commit] bump toc to 30300 |
| 23:18.25 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-1-g340a398 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Reverted auto hiding of Blizzard units, back to the default of setting it in hide blizzard frames |
| 23:18.34 | Repo | 10bigbrother_ready: 03profalbert 04v0.9 * e5cfa31 /: [new tag] tag as v0.9-release |
| 23:19.19 | Repo | 10bartender4_dualspec: 03profalbert 04v1.2 * ee863cb /: [new tag] tag as v1.2 (for wow 3.3) |
| 23:19.41 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6860 Citadel/Saurfang.lua: Citadel/Saurfang: bugfix and tweaks |
| 23:25.25 | mitchnull | is it necessary to call ClearAllPoints before calling SetPoint on a frame for a previously set point? like, frame:SetPoint("TOP", UIParent, "TOP", 0, 0); frame:SetPoint("TOP", UIParent, "TOP", 0, 1); <- ok, or need to ClearAllPoints in the middle? |
| 23:25.50 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6861 Plugins/Broadcast.lua: |
| 23:25.51 | Repo | remove broadcasting when in party to prevent errors, can no longer use /RW in party. |
| 23:25.53 | Funkeh` | Fisker, fixed btw |
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| 23:30.47 | Torhal | mitchnull: As far as I'm aware, any time you want to set the points of a previously-anchored frame, you'd need to clear its previous points first. |
| 23:31.10 | Repo | 10proculas: 03Xocide * r228 Core.lua: Tiny, tiny, little, small, tweak. |
| 23:32.29 | mitchnull | torhal: kk, thanks |
| 23:35.18 | Repo | 10broker_combatduration: 03profalbert 07master * 736c1a2 / (5 files in 2 directories): [new, +2 commits] |
| 23:35.20 | Repo | 736c1a2: fix .pkgmeta |
| 23:35.21 | Repo | d22f9a5: initial commit |
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| 23:40.10 | Fisker | where's our damn primordial saronite btw steev? |
| 23:40.30 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar * r168 Modules/Outfitter/FBoH_Outfitter.lua: FBagOfHolding: |
| 23:40.32 | Repo | - Added code to ensure that Outfitter is completely initialized before enabling the filter. Also, registers with Outfitter to receive events to force an update of the FBoH views when equipment sets are changed. |
| 23:42.22 | steev | Fisker: i only have enough frost for 1 since i can't get in a group that can down 10s bosses |
| 23:42.39 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar * r169 FBoH_Scanning.lua: FBagOfHolding: |
| 23:42.41 | Repo | - Exposed function to update all bag views, which is required by changes to the Outfitter module. |
| 23:44.42 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 041.0.169 * r170 : Tagging as 1.0.169 |
| 23:46.38 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 071.1.0 * r219 / (9 files in 5 directories): |
| 23:46.40 | Repo | Merge from head. Branch now current up to and including revision 213. |
| 23:47.36 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 071.1.0 * r220 Rules (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 23:47.38 | Repo | Distributed raid target assignment refined with proper tie breaking. |
| 23:50.56 | SunTsu | great, got a pet for running random heroics with 100 strangers |
| 23:53.04 | Repo | 10recount: 03Elsia * r1096 Tracker.lua: |
| 23:53.06 | Repo | - Added disambiguation of the two Scourge Strike components. The shadow part will now be reported as Scourge Strike (Shadow). I would prefer a more generic solution but always adding the spell school is too spammy for my taste, so this will have to do for now. |
| 23:55.33 | Repo | 10recount: 03Elsia 04v3.3a Release * r1097 : Tagging as v3.3a Release |
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