IRC log for #wowace on 20091216

00:00.04Mikkkandarz: is it an integer-indexed list, or a hash (["somekey"] = somevalue) ?
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00:01.10Mikkif it is an integer-indexed list, next() will do the wrong thing if you table.remove(myTable, numIndex)
00:01.18Mikkbut if it is, you can keep track of the index with an integer of your own
00:01.21Mikknot using next
00:01.22kandarzMikk: my code differs from orionshocks, he used quest ID's as the keys, where as I need a dynamic table so I used table.insert
00:01.39Mikkokay you can't use next at the same time as table.remove()ing then
00:01.54Mikkyou'd want something more along the lines of
00:02.19kandarzI suppose I can just clear the que when it finishes? I can still add to the end of the table and not affect next right?
00:02.46Mikkyou can. one second though.. do you only despool the topmost N ones?
00:03.01Mikkor can you like... despool, skip, skip, despool, despool
00:05.08Mikkokay... if you only despool the topmost N ones, you can do something like:
00:05.20kandarznot sure what you mean by despool
00:05.27Mikkremove from the table
00:06.01kandarzthe idea was to eventually get a 0 length table, as it's a queue list for tooltip scanning
00:06.12Mikkwhile myTable[1] and time_to_act_on(myTable[1]) do
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00:06.12Mikkend
00:06.24HjalteHow do I change the keyboard language back to danish in wow? I know there's a shortcut for it and I just pressed it.
00:06.32MikkHjalte: left alt + left shit
00:06.33Mikkshift*
00:07.17Mikkkandarz: if you need to, you can also table.insert() stuff in that loop, that works just fine
00:07.47Mikkand if there is no condition to loop, you can just remove the "and time_to_act_on(myTable[1])" bit
00:08.02Megalonhaha, the good old switch-to-english-shortcut
00:08.10Megalonalways nice when you don't know about it :x
00:08.55kandarzMikk: this is the relevant code: http://paste.wowace.com/1555/
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00:15.32Mikkkandarz: instead of using next(), just look at que[1]
00:15.49Mikkand table.remove(que, 1)
00:16.26Mikk"is there something at the top of the queue? yes? - process it, remove it.   no? we're done.", wash, rinse repeat.
00:18.19harlis there an addon that can suppress all the yellow system error messages i'm getting with the new cross-realm dungeon thing?
00:19.25Mikk"You are not in a party" etc?
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00:19.32MikkThat's your existing addons misbehaving
00:19.45MikkFind out which one, lart the author
00:20.00HjalteI just died in WG, but the game though I was in Dragonblight. I got teleported to a spirit healer in DB, I am dead, and my friend couldnt find my corpse as the horde looted it.
00:20.13HjalteIs there any hope for the chance to not spirit ress?
00:20.31HjalteI couldnt use the dungeon finder, it wouldnt let me teleport to dungeon while dead.
00:20.38Mikkspirit res
00:20.43Mikkcan't think of a way out
00:20.58Mikk(since your corpse is gone)
00:21.08Mikkyou can't be ressed. you can't run to it.
00:21.19Mikkyou could POSSIBLY run to the spirit healer in WG
00:21.54HjalteThat'd be one hell of a walk and I'm not sure there is any way to drop down into it, is there?
00:22.51Mikkyeah unless you're carrying lol amounts of gear it's probably faster to take the spirit res and do a daily quest to get the money back
00:23.48HjalteMikk: I am carrying around lol amounts of gear. I've got full feral, full balance and parts resto gear in my bags :)
00:24.17Mikkthat's normal these days :P
00:24.31kandarzyou can't just run into the portal and rez? like you do if you run into a raid portal while not in a raid
00:24.31Mikkand if you don't have a third spec, chances are you're carrying around pvp gear :P
00:25.03Hjaltepvp is stupid. Look at what it just did to me!
00:25.37Hjaltekandarz: I would just get ported back to the spirit healer
00:28.31Arrowmasteryou can get into wintergrasp from sholazzar, you just have to get far enough up the one hill side and you get a flying mount for being in icecrown
00:29.00Arrowmasteri did that when accidently auto flew really really really far out
00:29.27HjalteAh, I didn't know the mount thing happened automatically
00:29.41MegalonHjalte: die through exhaustion
00:29.44Megalonas a ghost
00:29.57Megalonyour corpse will spawn be at that new location
00:30.07Megalons/be //
00:30.18HjalteMegalon: I guess that's a little cheaper, yeah
00:30.25HjalteBut I already bought the ress :)
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00:40.20harlno mikk, the "there's currently no player named "superkiller-realmxy" online" errors.
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00:54.16kandarzMikk: Thanks, that seams to get the quest names, now to solve the problem of not updating button text when it does get the quest name
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01:04.19onaforeignshoreI deleted the API pages for my addon, cause I've rewritten it from scratch, but have some 'orphans' that I can't get rid of. Can anyone have a look please - http://www.wowace.com/addons/guilder/pages/
01:08.09kandarzMain, API/Modules/
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01:08.47kandarzmake sure you disable API in your .docmeta
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01:10.11AmadeoIs there an addon that will tell me how many gems of each color I have?
01:11.18Amadeonm
01:11.21Amadeofound one by Shadowed
01:11.23Amadeo:)
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01:13.13onaforeignshorekandarz: I have luadoc in all the lua files, so I want it to create the API, but it isn't atm
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01:16.41onaforeignshoreit shows "no .docmeta" on the documenter, but the file is there?
01:20.29ArrowmasterKaelten: documenter is broken
01:22.19pompyits log is so ugly!
01:23.13NeoTronAmadeo: to use with Bejeweled so you know which color to squish with the "five in a row" gem? ;-)
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02:25.24Elsiadoes Unit*(name) work for cross realm players if one strips the -realm part?
02:25.42Elsiaif grouped that is
02:28.21ShadowedYou mean, can it identify cross realm people by name even if you don't include the reaml?
02:28.22Shadowedreaml*
02:28.23Shadowedfuck
02:28.37Shadowedit can last I looked
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02:35.48Elsiagreat
02:36.08Elsiashould it work if you include the realm? I thought - is reserved for chaining dependencies
02:36.54HjalteElsia: I'm not sure, but doesn't it work with realm in Battlegrounds? I haven't had Recount tracking anything in Battlegrounds for ages though.
02:37.13harlit does
02:37.36Elsiamostly I'm trying to fix cross realm pet handling
02:37.41harland examining works too
02:37.57harlinspecting that is
02:38.22Elsiai'm not talking about interface interactions, i'm interested in UnitID based stuff in lua code
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02:39.36Elsiathe 2.4 combat log is great, if it wasn't buggy... pets get summoned with broken flags for example... little bit of a pita to try to patch up all the things that can be broken, but alas the cross-realm thing likely is just a mismatch in the way I try to avoid party scanning
02:41.57Shadowedyes Elmoe it should work with ream
02:42.08Elsiathanks bert
02:42.14harllol..
02:42.29Shadowedfuck spelling
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02:55.14HjalteHey, I have cool eggs.
02:55.29HjalteIt says "Merry Christmas" beneath the date or production code.
02:55.36HjalteDirectly on the egg.
03:05.23Groktardomg resilience will fix it
03:10.53kandarzso, is oRA3 the problem with players with assist not being able to perform ready checks? or is it something blizzard did?
03:11.34harli haven't had a problem with performing ready checks yet.
03:13.13vhaarrora can't prevent anyone from performing ready checks
03:21.53arkaneskandarz: only the leader can check now
03:22.00arkanesora3 was giving me some ready-check related issues though
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03:44.17HjalteAfter killing Saurfang, one of our Death Knights had issues with looting an item in the chest. In the fight, he had jumped off the balcony to make sure healers didn't heal him.
03:44.27HjalteWe wrote a GM so that he could receive the loot, but today I got the standard loot reply back.
03:45.53HjalteNow I did a new ticket, highlighting the issues our DK had with looting. Hoping for a better answer.
03:46.42Zynsounds fun
03:47.06Zynand the QQ paid off, so now they hotfixed the Battered Hilt droprate again
04:00.15Yssarilthey upped it?
04:00.43HjalteYssaril: Yep: http://worldofraids.com/news/1027-battered-hilt-drop-rate-improvements-recent-in-game-fixes.html
04:01.18Yssarilvery nice
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04:07.45HunterZ0does BigWigs not have a module for the icecrown gunship battle?
04:09.02ulicdoesn't look like it
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04:26.24HjalteIs there a way to get a top 100 listing on tv-shows at imdb?
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04:33.44Primerhad a battered hilt drop last night...I didn't win
04:34.27PrimerHjalte: why couldn't someone else just loot and trade later?
04:34.32Primersurely that would have worked?
04:34.44HjaltePrimer: No, we tried that. It said not eligible.
04:34.53Primeryou waited too long?
04:35.05HjaltePrimer: No, it was 5 minutes after we killed him.
04:35.17Primerbuggy ass game
04:35.36HjalteYes. And I'm going to be mad if they won't give him the trinket.
04:36.47arkanesif he jumped off it probably put him out of range for the kill credit
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04:36.52arkanesand thats why he's not on the loot table
04:37.48Hjaltearkanes: Yeah, we realise what happened, but we don't think it's our fault.
04:38.17arkanesit's really, really rare they'll ever transfer loot to someone who's not on the loot table
04:38.51HjalteThe guy did a lot of damage to the boss. They should be able to see that.
04:49.35Elsiadoing damage to a mob puts you on the loot table, don't need to be in range for the killing blow
04:50.36HjalteElsia: Yeah. It probably bugs because it's a chest that you get the loot from.
04:50.44Elsiaah right
04:51.00Elsiaanyway, nite folks
04:55.15YssarilTorhal: ping
04:57.56TorhalYssaril: pong
05:01.06YssarilTorhal: i saw your tooltip hook in the UIDropdown guide and just wanted to tell you you do not need it anymore :P
05:02.30Yssariljust set tooltipOnButton, tooltipText, tooltipTitle and it works like a charm now
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06:10.06asmodaiHeh
06:10.11asmodaibeen splitting like crazy
06:10.45asmodaimmm, WowheadLooter updates after emailing yesterday
06:10.51asmodaiWonder if that's related
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06:31.25Yssarilwhat was wrong with their addon?
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06:48.32Fiskerkeeps stabbing and stabbing
06:48.39Fiskeri wish i could stop Yssaril
06:48.56YssarilFisker: you wouldn't
06:50.09Fiskerindeed
06:50.11Fiskeri wouldn't stop
06:50.41Fiskeri want my damn servers up again
06:50.49Fiskeryou can't just do maintanence for another 3 hours
06:51.28Fisker...
06:51.30FiskerThe drop rate for the Battered Hilt has been increased.
06:51.30FiskerxD
06:51.36Fisker(cunts etc)
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06:55.34asmodaiYssaril: it conflicted with QuestHelper
06:55.50asmodaiYssaril: Not sure which is/was the culprit, but it caused trade skill/class skill frame update/refresh problems.
06:55.59Yssarilouch
06:56.08Shadowedgod bless whacky coding
06:56.23asmodaiWell, could've been QH being an ass too of course
06:56.36asmodaiThe latest from the respectable authors in here says it's not quite up to snuff ;)
06:56.47PrimerAnyone find MSBT's config is hosed?
06:56.48profalbertwhat's the point of quest-helper anyways now, except the arrow?
06:56.52PrimerI can't configure anything
06:57.08YssarilPrimer: yea something funkey has been going on wiht it
06:57.15asmodaioi Primer
06:57.24asmodaiPrimer: think I fixed me nic problem
06:57.29profalbertdamn UNIT-AURA-hack?
06:57.31Primerdo tell
06:58.08asmodaiPrimer: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927168
06:58.09PrimerYssaril: there are no lua errors
06:58.51Yssarili know but mine reset to and is all funky (probably just need to wipe its config and start over)
06:59.09Primerasmodai: MS fails, as usual
07:00.48asmodaiPrimer: Do note that ICS is disabled on my box.
07:00.58YssarilPrimer: apperantly blizz reenabled their own combat text so you have to disable it again
07:00.59PrimerMy config isn't reset. MSBT performs just as before. I just can't change anything in /msbt
07:01.20Yssarilhmm
07:01.39asmodaiNot sure if I need both the NIC and global setting, but turned 'm both off for now.
07:02.13Primerfor example, the cooldowns config only has "%e Ready Now!" as text in the right pane
07:02.16Primerand nothing else
07:04.23PrimerI guess I could just blow away my config file
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07:32.17Myrroddinquestion about AceGui-SMW's repository and the pkgmeta, I used svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets/mainline/trunk as the line in the pkgmeta, and svn rejected it.. what do I have to add or change?
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07:37.15KriLL3some kind of reason for the servers being down 03:00 - 11:00? and no "for teh lulz" doesn't qualify as a reason
07:38.10Myrroddinnvm, I figured it out
07:38.12MyrroddinLOL
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07:44.37FiskerWhat about weekly maintanence KriLL3 ?
07:45.37KriLL3maintenance? pfft, convenient excuse, I'm sure they use the bandwidth for some nefarious purpose
07:45.52YssarilMyrroddin: what was wrong?
07:46.19YssarilKriLL3: ddosing freenode?
07:46.26SunTsuFor Nefarious' purposes?
07:46.40KriLL3Yssaril: or downloading all the midget porn in the world
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07:51.05Fiskerfirst servers on their way up
07:51.16KriLL3means mine will be up in a couple of hours
07:51.20KriLL3it's always last
07:51.33KriLL3yeah
07:51.59KriLL3and if there is a list of servers that need extended maintenance it's on that list
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07:57.00Fiskerare you on cyclone KriLL3 ?
07:57.07KriLL3nope
07:57.16Fiskerthen i disagree
07:57.37KriLL3perhaps mine is in the same data center, those are almost always treated the same
07:58.06Fiskeras far as i know battlegrounds make up all realms in the same physical location
07:58.16KriLL3battlegroups
07:58.17Fiskerbattlegroups*
07:58.19Fisker^^
07:58.27KriLL3I'm on misery
07:59.11Fiskerah yeah
07:59.15KriLL3up now
07:59.50Fiskersame as here
07:59.52Fiskerawesum
08:00.01Fiskergotta go get me a battered hilt
08:00.20KriLL3gonna try and get it from a drop or pay 14k for it on the AH?
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08:00.48Fiskerdrop of course
08:00.49odti got it from my first run of the new heroics
08:00.53Fiskeri wouldn't even pay 3k for it
08:00.55odta week ago
08:01.09KriLL3is it random from all mobs or just bosses?
08:01.14Fiskeryeah well you cheat Odlaw
08:01.17Fiskerodt*
08:01.21Fiskerrandom drop from all mobs
08:01.22odtthink they nerfed the drop$ now
08:01.43odti didn't cheat... actually every1 in the group rolled need on it
08:01.55FiskerYou did cheat
08:01.56KriLL3you clearly used your roll haxx
08:02.04Fiskerbecause it had like a 1 billion % droprate then
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08:02.15FiskerAnd then they nerfed it
08:02.15odt:)
08:02.18Fiskerand now they buffed it again
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08:02.30odti see your bitterness and i feel no shame
08:02.37SunTsubut removed the chance to get it from the skeleton slaves
08:02.40Fiskeri made out with your mom Odlaw
08:02.42Fiskerodt
08:02.53Fiskerdurr SunTsu
08:02.53KriLL3lame imo that the non swords you get from the quest got really generic names, would be cooler if they had a similar name and look as the sword
08:03.03Fiskerthat's not going to have a big effect on drops
08:03.17Fiskerand it's not just to equal out the loss of skellies they upped it
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08:21.27Repo10mr-plow: 03wobin * r148 / (3 files in 1 directory): Added tag v10.2.6.3-Beta for changeset ac4c86b9bf22
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08:21.31RepoMrPlow - Fix typo for engineering bags
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08:30.50orionshockis there a way to activate sexygroup?
08:31.04Fiskeri think you're sexy orionshock
08:31.34FiskerAny addon for the new objectives frame stuff?
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08:33.21Mikkmidget porn is so 2008. orc porn is where it's at now.
08:33.29asmodai:|
08:33.34Adirelle|work...
08:34.01asmodaiAt least it ain't Trolls and their halitosis
08:36.33KalrothMikk: I'm an orc!!
08:36.50asmodaiis sooo staying out of this one
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08:38.45Mikkwrong sex
08:39.48Fiskerthis is my hateface
08:41.40SunTsuWhere is the difference to the usual one?
08:42.46Fiskernot sure yet
08:43.48asmodaiYou wouldn't hate a Fisker...
08:48.30Mikkhttp://www.playorc.com/
08:48.57Mikk(nsfw in case someone was unsure)
08:50.37theoddone33what's the name of that addon that uses the spell effects to put an awesome border around the minimap?
08:52.47[Wobin]sexymap?
08:53.14theoddone33yeah that looks like it's the one
08:58.57Myrroddinhow does one find out the path to blizzard textures, fonts, statusbars, etc?
08:59.10jnwhitehhttp://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser
09:00.39Antiarcor http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/texbrowser.aspx
09:00.55Myrroddinthanks!
09:02.07jnwhitehAntiarc's gives you models and other stuff too, I think =)
09:02.25Repo10ora3: 03Ammo * r290 modules/Cooldowns.lua: switch to 6203 spell for soulstone res.
09:04.04AntiarcNah, just textures :P
09:04.17AntiarcI need to update the DB for 3.3, too
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09:09.28Fiskerso no SexyObjectivesTracker?
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09:13.32Fiskerbaw
09:13.33Fisker;(
09:13.50Fiskersexygroup still eating babies?
09:13.52onaforeignshorecan anyone tell me why both www.wowace.com and wow.curse.com show my addon as 2.0.4, but Curse Client shows it as 1.0.7 beta?
09:13.54Fisker@project sexygroup
09:13.56RepoFisker: "http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Pre-mature approval. Apparently it isn't ready for prime-time.\r . Shadowed (Manager/Author), Antiarc (Author). Updated: 5 hours ago"
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09:14.19Fiskerbitchduck
09:15.06profalbertan experimental sexygroup?
09:15.36Fiskeryour mom is experimental
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09:18.38Fiskerbtw Antiarc
09:18.40Fiskeri has an idea
09:19.06ShadowedI'm going to hate you
09:19.10Shadowedfor whatever you say
09:19.58FiskerWas just thinking about a guild-maintained ignorelist for the least liked players
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09:20.30Fiskerif that's even possible
09:21.46asmodaiShadowed: Even more than usual?
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09:21.58onaforeignshoremethinks CC is broken :(
09:22.21FiskerWhy won't ClassTimer take [ ] Enabled for an answer?
09:22.24[Wobin]http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup
09:22.31[Wobin]http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/s.php?f=122009&p=jim_donnelly.jpg
09:22.38asmodaijnwhiteh / Antiarc: Turns out it was WowheadLooter and QuestHelper conflicting, sent email to them both, saw WowheadLooter updated their Lua code somewhere between my email and this morning when I ran their client.
09:22.50[Wobin]Don't worry, "He's From The Internet!"
09:23.01AntiarcNice
09:23.39Fiskeryou can have branches of internets?
09:24.09HjalteHe probably means the local area branch of Facebook
09:24.46Fiskerwhich means you use, or atleast know about, facebook
09:24.50Fiskerwhich also means you fail
09:25.32asmodaiAntiarc: Couldn't test yet since the realms were still in maintenance this morning.
09:26.18HjalteFisker: Facebook is great for looking up pictures of old female class mates who's now grown. You know. And also at attempting to feel like you have a social life.
09:26.22theoddone33http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd231/bigfly005/WoWScrnShot_121609_015256.jpg cute ui
09:26.54onaforeignshoreeu realms went up more than 3 hours before the end of the schedules maintenance... well at least my one did :D
09:27.05Fiskerwrong
09:27.06Fisker2 hours
09:27.14asmodaiWell, that means I was still on my way to work anyway :P
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09:28.32onaforeignshore2 / 3 next to each other :p
09:28.51Repo10sexygroup (experimental): 03Shadowed 07master * c0e7751 / (6 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] All the experience data is correctly parsed out and setup
09:29.13Repo10sexygroup (experimental): 03Shadowed 07master * 57680fc users.lua: [+1 commit] Removing the debug code that force opens the gear UI is good too
09:32.48Repo10smartres2 (experimental): 03myrroddin * r16 / (5 files in 2 directories): copy/paste errors kill!
09:33.26Fiskersweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
09:33.37Fisker"Hey lets pull that big motherfucker that fears just next to 3 other packs
09:34.43Fiskerlooks like someone could use an addon for noting and reporting bad players in pugs
09:36.39Myrroddinnice, someone is already working on the frFR for smartres2... *dances like gnome*
09:37.07KriLL3lol wtf, got every single item on rolls in CoT:S
09:37.59KriLL3is blizzard trying to play nice to me because I didn't get marrowstrike until my 43:th ToC HC run or something?
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09:57.56Repo10gearevaluator: 03Stlke 04v1.0.1-beta4 * 02cdd1e /: [new tag] Tagging v1.0.1-beta4
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10:03.33sb|workShadowed: are you going to alpha-version it anytime soon? (no more experimental state)
10:03.50Shadowednot sure, me and Antiarc still have a bit to do
10:03.54Myrroddinfirst public alpha (that would be (ALPHA) of smartres2 is available for testing and feedback. I started a thread on the wowace forums under addon help. when it is beta worthy, I will either get the thread moved to general or raid addons, or start a new thread. enjoy! http://www.wowace.com/addons/smartres2/
10:04.11Shadowedneed to get the actual scanning/saving of inspected data in, do one more panel of UI, configuration, and syncing
10:05.46AntiarcGear scanning too, unless you did that?
10:05.51Myrroddinfor those willing to test, or translate, or bug squash, i thank you. on another note, i'm off to bed. have a great day/night people
10:05.57ShadowedI thought you said you were going to do gear scanning :p
10:06.01AntiarcYes, I am :P
10:06.08AntiarcWas making sure you hadn't.
10:06.10Shadowednope
10:06.17ShadowedI'm going to finish up the last configuration panel and syncing
10:06.29AntiarcHopefully I can do the gear analysis tomorrow
10:06.32Shadowedyay
10:06.38Antiarcbut now, bed
10:06.42Shadowedyea same
10:08.14asmodaiWhat? You guys sleep?
10:08.15asmodaiWho authorized that?
10:08.24Shadowedit's 2 AM
10:08.29KalrothThey even share a bed, asmodai
10:08.34ShadowedI spent about 30 minutes finding a pesky bug
10:08.40Shadowedthat came down to another author is incompetent and I hate him
10:08.49Kalrothand Shadowed is the bitch considering Antiarc is like 8 inches higher than him
10:08.51Elkanowasn't me I hope...
10:08.56Shadoweddo you do Auctionator?
10:09.00Shadowed@project Auctionator
10:09.01RepoShadowed: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/auctionator/. Auctionator. Game: WoW. Zirco (Manager/Author). Updated: 35 hours ago
10:09.07ElkanoI don't even use it
10:09.11Shadowedthen I don't hate you
10:09.17Elkano<3
10:09.54Repo10perfectraid-roleicons (experimental): 03ethancentaurai 07master * 7ac2f41 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Check to see if the PerfectRaid_RaidIcon icon is shown instead of just checking if it exists. Dry-coded, untested.
10:10.50EthanCentauraiit's my birthday today and still I sit here working on addons :p
10:11.00EthanCentauraineeds to get out more.
10:11.23Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6874 / (2 files in 2 directories): Citadel/Saurfang: revert proximity back to engage for now.
10:11.25RepoCore: bump toc version
10:12.26HjalteI noticed that the bigwigs proximity is set to 12 yards - Can everyone check that distance?
10:12.37HjalteOn Saurfang, at least
10:12.51asmodaiYssaril: btw, am I blind or isn't your boss loot addon available through the curse client?
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10:15.56Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude 04r6875-release * r6875 : Tagging as r6875-release
10:16.48Fiskeryou're blind asmodai
10:18.11EthanCentauraino, it's definitely not there
10:18.16EthanCentaurai@project yssbossloot
10:18.18RepoEthanCentaurai: http://www.wowace.com/addons/yssbossloot/. YssBossLoot. Game: WoW. yssaril (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 hours ago. Tickets: 4/11
10:18.50asmodaimistakes Fisker, in his blindness, for a steak and stabs him
10:19.50Fiskeryou stab steaks?
10:19.53Hjalteasmodai: If you install it manually, you can update it via the client.
10:22.02Fiskeryou wouldn't install an addon manually
10:22.20Repo10perfectraid-roleicons (experimental): 03ethancentaurai 04v1.0 * 1c89afc /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.0.
10:22.37airtonixfisker: you wouldn't keep using that meme
10:23.13asmodaiairtonix: Oh he would.
10:23.14onaforeignshorefor some reason CC doesn't see my addon updates - it's got 1.0.7 beta, though wow.curse.com and www.wowace.com both have 2.0.4 - so yes, I would install an addon manually
10:24.59Elkanowhich addon?
10:26.04FiskerYou wouldn't onaforeignshore
10:26.17FiskerI wouldn't call it a meme airtonix
10:26.28asmodaiIt's more like an annoyance.
10:26.48[Wobin]isn't that what memes are?
10:26.54airtonixyou wouldn't re-use an advertising slogan to spread irony
10:27.01onaforeignshoreguilder
10:27.39[Wobin]happy birthday EthanCentaurai
10:27.50Repo10ora3: 03Ammo * r291 / (3 files in 3 directories): add option to grow cooldowns up
10:27.54[Wobin]I hope you get some good loot
10:27.59EthanCentauraiyay!
10:28.08onaforeignshore@project guilder
10:28.09Repoonaforeignshore: http://www.wowace.com/addons/guilder/. Guilder. Game: WoW. onaforeignshore (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 hours ago
10:28.38asmodaiit's EthanCentaurai's bday?
10:30.21EthanCentauraiyep, I'm 23 years old today (16th December)
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10:30.51EthanCentauraiman, I'm getting old :/
10:31.44SunTsuEthanCentaurai: congrats, youngling ;)
10:32.03EthanCentaurai:)
10:32.06asmodaipats EthanCentaurai
10:32.11asmodaigratz young whippersnapper
10:32.21onaforeignshoreEthanCentaurai: 1H6A13P5P4Y 7B8I9R3T11H12D2A1Y
10:32.23EthanCentauraijust waiting for the snow to stop so I can go party
10:32.48SunTsu.o0( "appy birthda"? )
10:33.16EthanCentaurailol Sun, you use a black background
10:33.55SunTsuEthanCentaurai: yeah, my point being that using colors is no good if you don't know what background color you are on ;)
10:34.20onaforeignshorewell, I'm sure you could use completion and figure it out :p
10:35.13onaforeignshoreanyway, have a great day Ethan
10:35.43onaforeignshoreI'm off to bed - hopefully when I awake CC will have too (and documenter would have been fixed :p )
10:35.47onaforeignshorenight everyone
10:35.50asmodaiWell, of course you use a black background
10:35.52[Wobin]nah, just use background
10:35.57Fiskerhax EthanCentaurai
10:35.59asmodaiever tried IRCing in the middle of night
10:36.02Fiskerwe're almost the same age ;_;
10:36.05asmodaiwhite backgrounds hurt the eyes
10:36.08onaforeignshore1,01H6A13P5P4Y 7B8I9R3T11H12D2A1Y
10:36.15[Wobin]like that =)
10:36.16asmodai's eyes bleed
10:36.25[Wobin]at least it wasn't flashing
10:36.25onaforeignshore:p
10:36.37onaforeignshorelol
10:36.52asmodaiOne of these days I need to configure irssi to strip colours from normal chat messages.
10:39.12Fiskerno
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10:49.51EthanCentauraiyay the snow's stopped, time to go party! see you all later :)
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10:52.39Gibbonzanyone know of an LDB plugin to show the blizz menu in a more compact form? Only one I've found so far puts everything in a text-only tooltip :s
10:54.18Gibbonzbasically, I'm after Bartender4's blizz menu bar downsized to fit a broker display like chocolatebar/ninjapanel :)
10:54.26Elkanowow... just went AC25 and won 3/4 drops at Kora...
10:54.39Elkanoagainst 3 others...
10:55.36ElkanoGibbonz, LDB displays normaly don't support multiple icons so you would need one LDB feed per button (or maybe do some magic with calculating the click point)
10:56.30Gibbonzah right
10:57.10Gibbonzthat probably explains why theres no direct convert of its fubar counterpart :o
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10:57.48Gibbonzand grats :)
10:57.55Fiskeri use picobuttons
10:57.58Fiskeri think
10:58.14Fiskeryep
10:58.16Fiskerpicobuttons
10:59.43Gibbonzah cool, somehow missed that
11:03.33Gibbonzthanks Fisker
11:08.40Gibbonzbugs aside, 3.3 is rather awesome... instant groups as a tank/healer and emblems, sooo many emblems :D
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11:16.17SunTsuYeah, I'll definately will use that patch to get all my toons onto t9+ niveau
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11:17.41FiskerOMG WHY HAVEN'T GOOGLE REMOVED MALWARE SITES FROM THE INTERNET YET?
11:18.26Gibbonzt9, heirlooms, raw gems, crafting mats all much faster/easier to get now.. its a good time for alts hehe
11:19.26SunTsuyeah, but you now need a higher entry equipment for heroics now, because people have much less patience than before
11:21.22Gibbonzyeah, though to be fair that started since Achievements were added
11:22.13SunTsuGibbonz: it all starts as soon as good equipment is wide spread and people won't accept toons with less
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11:25.05Gibbonztrue, getting into heroics as a freshly dinged 80 to get the very gear people expect is rather chicken <-> egg :p
11:27.16Bribrithis is why things such as friends exist
11:27.51Gibbonzfriends and guildies :)
11:28.22Bribriguildies who aren't friends are evil guildies that must not be spoken of
11:29.38Gibbonzhehe
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11:31.41SunTsuBribri: But there might be friends who not are guildies ;)
11:32.07SunTsu.o0( Or in my shaman's case: there is always purples from AH ;) )
11:34.50Bribrior pvp purples
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11:41.30HjalteOw, shiny colours in new Chatzilla.
11:46.14vhaarr"new", the light motif has been available in chatZilla for the last 6 years, at least.
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11:51.38HjalteI believe it just changed the colour scheme when I updated. I have no idea why.
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12:26.48vhaarrthe default was changed
12:27.00vhaarrthe Light motif has been installed by default since the start of the project, however
12:27.03vhaarrit was just never the default
12:31.24winkillerI logged out in front of Org AH. Where the Smokywood Pastures NPC are. Now I'm stuck between the presents after loggin in during Winter Veil
12:35.24asmodaiwinkiller: ROFL
12:35.34winkilleroh, second char
12:35.37winkillerseems I like this spot
12:35.50winkillerbut here I could jump out
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12:39.02yoshimoyou can always use hearhtstone/tournament tabard, rings, bt trinket or simply "unstuck" in the ticket-option
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12:44.45asmodaiI still love this talk http://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html  -- makes so much sense for user interfaces and feature sets as well
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12:46.48phyber<3 ted talks.
12:49.40FiskerSo anyone made an addon for changing the objectives tracker?
12:50.54winkilleryoshimo: the solution is not the problem, the WTF factor upon login
12:51.18asmodaiphyber: Yeah, some are so great
12:52.32KazieDoes mods that track flasks in a raid, still exist and up-to-date?
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12:54.44KalrothRaidBuffStatus I think?
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12:56.11yoshimoKalroth, that one is still maintained yes
13:00.58yoshimoim using shadowed unit frames, is it possible to mark mobs differently that are already tagged by other players?
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13:14.25phyberasmodai: cool talk, thanks :)
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13:18.45asmodaiphyber: Heh, welcome ^^
13:41.00Repo10recount: 03Elsia * r1103 / (2 files in 1 directory):
13:41.02Repo- First pass on fixing cross-realm pets. This should hopefully work for most cases. Second pass needed to cover pathological cases.
13:45.00Repo10recount: 03Elsia 04v3.3c beta * r1104 : Tagging as v3.3c beta
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13:52.24Balreignthat's strange... there suppose to be a Broker_Durability but can't find the webpage neither on wowace or curse.
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13:54.20yoshimowowinterface maybe?
13:54.28vhaarrtekability
13:57.47Balreignfound it with the curseclient, supposed to be r40
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14:08.22KriLL3wtf, DK "helped" me with chillmaw, the result being he tagged one bomber before me, thus I had to do it again, and he was still there
14:08.22KriLL3guess what I did?
14:08.25KriLL3on spawn I moonfired, once, dk did something that dealt more dmg, I sat there, waiting
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14:08.50KriLL3dk dies horribly, one bomber appears, I kill it, I exit combat, I fly away in flightform
14:09.41Lyntzhey... someone arround here who is working on InternalCooldowns?
14:12.28vhaarrAntiarc would be the one I guess
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14:13.36FiskerKriLL3 you jerk
14:13.56KriLL3yes I am aren't I? =P
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14:16.35mitch0anyone happen to have an intel i945 card?
14:16.49mitch0I need a good xorg.conf for it :)
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14:17.55nevcairiellet hal deal with it
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14:22.16mitch0well, it created a sluggish one
14:22.33nevcairielyou'll get good results without any xorg.conf to speak of
14:22.40nevcairielassuming you use HAL
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14:24.34vhaarrxorgs requires hal at this point, I believe
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14:24.37vhaarr-s
14:24.54KriLL3are you guys talking in code or something?
14:24.58vhaarrthat is changing though
14:25.06vhaarrmoving to a pure udev system
14:25.17nevcairielthey want to go to udev because hal is dead, but thats at elast a few releases away
14:25.33vhaarrhal is dead because they want to go to udev :P
14:26.07nevcairielI still think the abstraction layer wasnt a bad idea, now you have to do system specific stuff again
14:26.29vhaarryeah I don't get it either, but there's probably something we don't know that factors in
14:26.45vhaarrI wonder if people that have grammatical errors in their guild names realise it
14:27.03vhaarrI mean, sometimes it is obvious and supposed to be funny, but other times it gets me wondering
14:27.18nevcairielmost guilds with latin names have errors in there
14:27.21vhaarr"Fear For Falling In Love" here, for example
14:27.22nevcairielthey usually dont know or dont care
14:27.28vhaarrshouldn't that be "Fear of Falling in Love"?
14:28.00nevcairielit should be, yes
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14:28.38vhaarrI mean I can understand it if it's a small guild, but they are advertising themselves as a "top raiding guild".
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14:28.50vhaarrin our trade chat
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14:29.04nevcairielpeople advertising in trade chat are never top raiding guilds :d
14:29.08vhaarrl2spell should be a prerequisite to l2p :P
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14:29.10vhaarrI know :P
14:29.34vhaarr"prerequisite for", perhaps, see, I suck as well
14:30.18genetik-"we have tabard and website!"
14:30.23KriLL3wasn't blizz supposed to restore the LFG chan?
14:30.27vhaarras I'm sure many of you have not had the pleasure yet of falling in love with this gem, I will link it again
14:30.28genetik-they did
14:30.30asmodaigenetik-: and 2 bank tabs!
14:30.30vhaarrhttp://deathspank.com/
14:30.34KriLL3I can't find it
14:30.36genetik-asmodai: oh shit
14:30.39genetik-where do i sign up?
14:30.40arkanesI'm sure you meant "falling for love"
14:30.54genetik-KriLL3: lfg only works in major cities
14:30.54XtekMorning.
14:30.57KriLL3genetik-: too bad they killed geocities, the home of many guilds
14:30.58genetik-should just be able to /join lookingforgroup
14:31.03asmodainevcairiel: I welcome advice on how to find a decent guild ^^
14:31.34arkanesbe awesome
14:31.39arkanespug a lot
14:31.46KriLL3genetik-: was that changed in 3.3? or is this how it was before?
14:31.59nevcairielasmodai: i wouldnt know, i've been in one guild since wow release which i helped to form .. well until it died and i quit playing .. now i'm in another guild with most of the same people from that old guild that have gone more casual .. so same deal :P
14:32.03genetik-before 3.3, you had to be using the UI for it
14:32.04arkanesthat'll let you find out who the decent guilds are on your server, and they'll come to learn your name too
14:32.05asmodainevcairiel: Yes you said :P
14:32.42arkanesI'm in a similar situation as nevcairiel
14:33.07arkanesalthough through years and server transfers and attrition there's actually only me and 1 other guy left from our original guild
14:33.39nevcairielarkanes: was about the same here, maybe 2-3 people from the founding members including me
14:33.45nevcairielbut was still the same guild and the same family
14:33.46genetik-asmodai: what kind of decent guild are you looking for?
14:33.47nevcairielmore or less
14:34.04nevcairieluntil 3.0 killed it
14:34.08nevcairielwell or rather 3.1
14:34.33Balreignwow this is strange
14:35.00arkanesbeing awesome is important, but being an awesome healer with a great DPS offspec is best
14:35.03BalreignI couldn't log myself into wowace's forums
14:35.21arkaneswhoah
14:35.22nevcairielasmodai: my "new" motherboard was supposedly shipped today, hope it gets here tomorrow <.<
14:35.30arkanessince when is there a flight point at the bulwark?
14:35.33BalreignI've just change my country in my profile and now I can
14:35.41KriLL3arkanes: 3.3
14:36.13arkanesmust have missed it in the patch notes
14:36.51genetik-is it a horde flight point?
14:36.58genetik-because that's weird if it is
14:37.04arkaneseah
14:37.12arkaneswell, it's a horde quest hub
14:37.17nevcairielits at the bulwark, what else would it be? <.<
14:37.24asmodaigenetik-: Well, maybe I am spoiled by a previous guild I was in (that now sort of disbanded), but I don't want a mega sized one, one that at least dedicates some time to raiding, is at least a bit social, but also doesn't mind help each other gear up for other instances.
14:37.24genetik-yeah, but undercity is right there
14:38.26arkanesasmodai: check your realm forums for guild recruiment posts, and the guild recruitment forums at other sites like tankspot
14:38.33arkanesnot sure if EJ has them, probably not
14:38.34nevcairielits in a horde starting zone, doesnt get a flight point for alliance :D
14:38.57genetik-nevcairiel: thought maybe they added an alliance one for scarlet monestary or something
14:39.00genetik-*shrug*
14:39.27asmodaiarkanes: Yeah, was thinking of checking the fora -- the guild I was in recently, in which my hardly ever playing colleagues are a member of, was not quite what I felt comfortable with
14:39.29arkanesasmodai: if you're undergeared enough that you would like help gearing for non-raid instances, you're going to have trouble getting into a raiding guild unless you're incredibly amazing
14:39.29genetik-like on the WPL side of the area
14:39.47arkanesat least as a raiding member, we have a whole bunch of socials who dont raid with us
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14:40.10arkanesI wouldn't mind a flight point at, say, scholomance
14:40.31asmodaiarkanes: Sure, I understand. Guess I need to put in a bunch of PUGs to get myself up on the ladder some more.
14:40.33nevcairielits not that far to run from either aery peak or .. what was that other name
14:40.46asmodaiarkanes: But at least you would expect that joining a guild would make part of that at least a bit easier.
14:40.51nevcairielyou dont get flight points for instances
14:40.56nevcairielunless there is a big quest hub too
14:40.59arkanesasmodai: sure
14:41.00asmodaiarkanes: I don't just join a guild for the social talk. I get better value for that on IRC :P
14:41.09arkanesasmodai: our socials tend to gear up faster than random pugs :P
14:41.32KriLL3why does most tanking gear have yellow sockets? useless
14:41.39nevcairielsockets never fit
14:41.55arkanessame reason pretty much all the good t8 dps stuff had blue sockets
14:41.58KriLL3I can make good use of blue and red, but yellow? please.
14:42.04asmodaiarkanes: In general I think I do decently well in raids and the likes, so it's not like another retard joins the fray XD
14:42.10arkanesKriLL3: hiiiiiiiiiittt rating
14:42.21arkanesalso defense, of course
14:42.26KriLL3arkanes: not very high priority for a tank, hit that is
14:42.32KriLL3and I'm def capped from talents
14:42.42arkanesKriLL3: one of the best threat stats
14:42.58genetik-arkanes: you'd be surprised
14:43.17KriLL3true, but hp and dodge are more important imo (stamina & agi)
14:43.26arkanesKriLL3: sure
14:43.49arkanesKriLL3: if you want a more-real answer, it's because socket bonuses aren't counted toward ilevel
14:44.03arkanesKriLL3: and therefore if they're all color-appropriate, it's free stats, so they generally spread it out
14:44.20KriLL3ah
14:44.51nevcairielits also a point they keep for making gear better
14:44.51KriLL3then again feral tanking gear = other tanking gear (non armor type slots) and rogue dps gear
14:44.56nevcairielso high-tier gear has better colors in sockets
14:45.27arkanesalso itemization lags behind other gameplay changes
14:45.38arkaneswhich is why new gear always seems to be itemized for the patch that just finished :(
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14:46.16KriLL3hmm, handynotes_flightpaths doesn't have the bulwark one
14:46.44nevcairielgo add it :d
14:47.29arkanesgod
14:47.42arkaneswe have a new recruit, and she's one of Those Girls
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14:48.11arkanesI swear if she makes my healing O leave because she's chasing him I'm gonna slap her
14:48.16genetik-we just got a new application in the other day from a total valley girl
14:48.36krkaThose Girls?
14:48.58arkanesyes
14:49.19StanzillaKriLL3: does it have the other new one?
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14:49.27KriLL3Stanzilla: not sure
14:49.31asmodainevcairiel: Mmm, I still need to get my ass in gear to order my stuff
14:49.40asmodainevcairiel: been in doubt between ordering now and after new year's
14:49.47KriLL3trying to look it up on the official site and wowwiki, neither are very informative on the matter
14:50.18arkaneskrka: for example, I've know this girl about a week now and she thinks we're best friends and we can have heart to hearts about how she wants to shag my healing officer :P
14:50.29krkanice!
14:50.34nevcairielasmodai: if i've had a choice, i wouldve waited
14:51.53StanzillaKriLL3: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.3.0_(undocumented_changes)
14:51.58Stanzillaworld environment section
14:52.31KriLL3yeah found it also
14:52.38KriLL3"Thondroril River, Western Plaguelands"
14:52.39KriLL3nutral
14:52.44KriLL3*neutral
14:53.29nevcairielfinally, that area was really lacking one
14:53.38KriLL3right on the border between western and eastern plaguelands
14:53.40KriLL3yeah
14:54.01KriLL3though I guess FPs become less important in 4.0
14:54.24nevcairielnot for leveling folk
14:54.39nevcairielyou dont visit those areas anyway if you can fly already :D
14:54.51KriLL3though I don't know how they'll handle the fact that each continent is on it's own instance, and some areas
14:55.12KriLL3nevcairiel: isn't the new 4.0 content going to be partially in the old world? thus we'll be there more
14:55.25nevcairielthe 80-85 is in new areas
14:55.36nevcairielthe biggest part of 4.0 is the remodelling of the old world
14:55.36StanzillaI want one next to the scarlet monastery
14:55.42KriLL3how will we fly from continent to continent? or do we need to wait for zeps/boats? :\
14:55.45nevcairielwhich wont really touch high level players
14:55.59genetik-KriLL3: probably still boats
14:56.03genetik-and zeps
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15:12.25KriLL3"The loading screens for major zones (Kalimdor, Outland, etc.) have been updated to support widescreen resolutions."
15:12.25KriLL3updated? they're squashed
15:12.25FiskerThe loading screen for your mom
15:12.25KriLL3yoshimo: it's a rainforest in 4.0
15:12.25nevcairielat least they dont have black bars anymore
15:12.26KriLL3nevcairiel: well sure, but squashing? come on.
15:12.27pompynevcairiel: mine does
15:12.27Fiskeryou suck pompy
15:12.27Fiskerdie
15:12.27pompyno!
15:12.27nevcairielyeah pompy fails
15:12.27nevcairielhe probably went into an instance or so
15:12.27Fiskeryou probably have it set windowed in a 4:3 res
15:12.27Fiskerand then mazimized it
15:12.27nevcairielthe northrend screen doesnt have bars
15:12.27Fiskerlol
15:12.27nevcairielI could care less about the loading screens tbh
15:13.48nevcairielthey should just setpoint the texture to the screen corners and it would get stretched automagically .. o.O
15:13.48asmodaiIf a guild mentions raiding times as 21:00ST I can assume ST to be server time, right?
15:13.48pompyidk im logging into the game right now and i have bars!
15:13.48Fiskerask them asmodai?
15:14.05Belazorsomeone pinged me?
15:14.06StanzillaKriLL3: 69.3 49.7 is the flightpoint if you want to add it
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15:15.22KriLL3I know where it is, just mentioned that handynotes_flightpaths didn't have it
15:15.22nevcairielso add it!
15:15.26nevcairiel:)
15:15.29KriLL3no idea how
15:15.49pompyFisker: http://i49.tinypic.com/309u2hu.jpg ! :(
15:16.07nevcairielwhats that, a 16:9 resolution?
15:16.11KriLL3all I see on the flightmaster's plugin in settings is sliders for icon size, alpha and tick boxes
15:16.15nevcairielthey probably just fixed it for 16:10
15:16.39nevcairielbecause no-one uses 16:9 on pc monitors =P
15:17.03pompydoes wow evn let u set 16:9 or 16:10? lol
15:17.03KriLL3nevcairiel: weird, seems like it would be easy to make the bg map just squash to what ever dimensions your screen is, though that might look weird on non standard dimenions
15:17.33pentium166wow lets you set pretty much any resolution where it's wider than it is tall
15:17.35nevcairielpompy: it lets you set whatever your OS reports as valid, afaik
15:18.07nevcairielcan you freely resize the windowed frame?
15:18.13KriLL3no
15:18.16pentium166i think it just stretches it
15:18.18asmodainevcairiel: Actually, 16:9 monitors are becoming more the norm than 16:10
15:18.23KriLL3yeah, it maintains it's dimensions
15:18.26nevcairielasmodai: ..why?
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15:18.32KriLL3asmodai: errm no
15:18.34nevcairielits good for movies
15:18.36nevcairieland thats it
15:18.56KriLL3the bulk of monitors are 16:10, TVs aren't referred to as monitors usually
15:20.02nevcairiel16:10 is fine for pc usage, it offers you enough space two documents next to each other without cutting them too short on the vertical
15:20.08nevcairiel16:9 is just a too short display :D
15:20.10KriLL316:10 monitors are the new norm because it lets you see a 16:9 movie with controls bellow, or 2x A4s side by side
15:20.44nevcairielbut whatever is the norm, i'll stick to 16:10 =)
15:20.46pentium166when i'm watching a movie i don't want controls below
15:20.51nevcairielindeed
15:20.58KriLL3I don't either usually
15:20.59nevcairielbut the black bar on a full 16:9 movie isnt that big
15:21.00pompyidk all i kno my res is 1920x1080
15:21.08nevcairielpompy: thats 16:9
15:21.11KriLL3pompy: that's 16:9
15:21.14pompywell
15:21.15nevcairiel1920x1200 is the 16:10 version
15:21.21pompythen im at 16:9
15:21.26pompydarn
15:21.35asmodaiKriLL3: Ehrm, check some stores. You'll find e.g. 1920 x 1080 (16:9) more in stock now than 1920 x 1200 (16:10)
15:21.47nevcairielasmodai: just because silly people buy those as tv replacements
15:21.53pompylazy blizzard programmers!
15:22.06asmodainevcairiel: Also, but it's also cheaper to produce one standard size. Heck, Apple switched to 16:9 too.
15:22.14asmodaie.g. http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/imac-line-updated-with-16-9-displays-quad-core-core-i5-model/
15:22.19KriLL3pompy: 1920/16 = 120, 120 * 9 = 1080
15:22.24nevcairielI won't buy a 16:9, shh!
15:22.30nevcairieli need my screen height
15:23.01KriLL3asmodai: actually I was in several electronics stores yesterday, 16:10 was by far more common
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15:23.30KriLL3and most of the 16:9 models had TV tuners, or additional inputs etc
15:23.38KriLL3making em cost more
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15:23.46nevcairielthe screen i want to buy has like all inputs you could want
15:23.50nevcairielbut that doesnt make it a tv .P
15:24.00asmodaiKriLL3: Peculiar, my experience is the other way around.
15:24.05KriLL3I only need DVI, displayport in the future
15:24.24arkanesback in the classic days we had a tank who played on a 40 inch TV
15:24.26KriLL3HDMI on a display is fairly pointless
15:24.37arkanesnot sure what type it was, though
15:25.00KriLL3my brother plays on a big LCD TV
15:25.12KriLL3it's 1920x1080 (aka 1080p)
15:25.14nevcairielHDMI and DisplayPort are pretty much the same
15:25.25nevcairieldifferent format
15:25.27nevcairielbut same features
15:25.31KriLL3naw, DP is better, though it lacks audio (that I know)
15:25.36KriLL3it allows daisy chaining
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15:25.45nevcairielit can do audio too
15:25.50KriLL3can hook up multiple displays per cable
15:26.04KriLL3and it replaces a lot of the electronics inside a monitor
15:26.05nevcairielhdmi can do that too, just needs a splitter
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15:26.35KriLL3it's more like the signals on the ribbon cables from the electronics in your monitor than the old DVI cables, makes monitors less expensive
15:26.57KriLL3and gives you a more direct path of information
15:27.52KriLL3as of yet most monitors only have DP as an option, and thus they still need a lot of internal electronics, but once DP is the norm we'll have much more simple monitors
15:27.57nevcairielshort of macbooks, who really uses DP anyway?
15:28.05KriLL3dell for one
15:28.10nevcairielgfx cards come with hdmi now
15:28.12nevcairielnot with DP
15:28.14KriLL3and it's starting to appear on newer graphics cards
15:28.20KriLL3actually they do
15:28.20pentium166ati's new cards have it, i believe?
15:28.23KriLL3yeah
15:28.34nevcairielthe one that isnt available anywhere? :D
15:28.40pentium166:)
15:28.45KriLL3that one
15:28.53KriLL3and the new Nvidia cards will have it also
15:29.04nevcairielhdmi has the advantage that you can hook it up to a proper home cinemas as well, including audio
15:29.26krkawe need more standards damn it!
15:29.26KriLL3true
15:29.45nevcairielbut anyway, the screen i want has DP as well, so what do i care :P
15:29.49KriLL3I'm guessing future videocards will have 1x Hdmi and rest DP
15:30.19KriLL3also nice that the new cards support 3 screens instead of 2
15:31.15nevcairielif you use hdmi for one
15:31.28KriLL3hdmi pipes into DVI without problems
15:31.59Mikkwell call me silly but isn't hdmi = dvi + audio ?
15:32.13KriLL3DP does also a certain degree, though you lack some features then
15:32.15KriLL3yeah
15:32.18nevcairielits dvi + content protection + audio
15:32.32KriLL3actually DVI has the same content protection
15:32.33nevcairielin a better transfer format, though
15:32.44KriLL3or at least similar
15:32.49Mikkbetter transfer format?
15:32.52pompy~seen ackis
15:32.55purlackis <n=Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 22h 21m 30s ago, saying: 'magic'.
15:32.57FtH|Daemonahmm updated mobile armory
15:32.58nevcairielbetter protocol
15:32.58Mikki thought they were like.. repin & go
15:33.01nevcairielcall it whatever you want :P
15:33.08FtH|Daemonaand still no way to change the language for us euros....
15:33.17FtH|Daemonahates being stuck with a german armory....
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15:50.00KriLL3funny really that people think that version of santa is the only version
15:50.00KriLL3when it's actually quite recent
15:50.00Mikkindeedly
15:50.00Mikkwasn't very long ago that the straw goat was the gift bearer
15:50.00Mikkheck it's still around among the traditional decorations
15:50.00Mikkthough most don't remember why they have em
15:50.00Mikk"mom did"
15:50.00KriLL3yeah
15:50.00KriLL3funny really how much of modern culture is the constructs of different cooperations
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15:51.06Mikkmm and a lot of it is commercial entities wanting to guilt us into buying more
15:51.06Mikkyays
15:51.06Mikk"buy shit for mom day"
15:51.06Mikk"buy shit for dad day"
15:51.14Mikk"buy shit for gf day"
15:51.14Mikk"buy shit for everyone day"
15:51.42KriLL3buy a ring equal to 3 months of income when you get engaged
15:51.45KriLL3oh wait, diamond ring
15:51.48Mikkfuck that :P
15:51.48KriLL3the diamond part is important
15:51.48Mikkno
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15:52.03Mikkif someone were to demand that of me she can go stuff it
15:52.11Mikki'd much rather book a long holiday somewhere.. or whatever
15:52.26Mikkanything but a stupid little rock
15:52.50Mikkthat doesn't add anything to the meaningful value of the ring
15:52.50KriLL3Mikk: well the global diamond consortium that inflates the prices of diamonds artificially by buying most of it and stockpiling De Beers came up with that notion
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15:53.26Mikkyeah i know it's gone to sick proportions in the US and it's finding its way over here
15:53.37Mikk"must be big fat diamond ring or he doesn't love me enough"
15:53.52KriLL3funny really, there are synthetic materials that are more reflective and even less prone to flaws, and even harder, like cubic zirconium
15:54.24Mikkquite
15:54.24KriLL3and a lot cheaper
15:54.24Mikkquite
15:54.52KriLL3without putting a cubic zirconium gem under a strong lens in front of a professional you can't tell it's not diamond
15:54.59KriLL3but oh no, it's not diamond, can't put that on a ring
15:55.11FtH|Daemonawohoo snow !
15:55.15Mikkbleh snow
15:55.23Mikkhas snow 5 months every year
15:55.25Mikkhas a driveway
15:55.42FtH|Daemonahasn't seen more than a inch snow in 5 YEARS.
15:55.43KriLL3Mikk: come live here, snow never lasts longer than a couple of seconds except in rare occasions
15:55.56KriLL3though slush isn't very fun...
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15:56.15MikkFtH|Daemona: trade? we get a meter of it most winters
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15:56.15Mikkno slush is boring too this is true
15:56.15KriLL3ouch
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15:56.20FtH|Daemonai'll take 20cm, try to get rid of the rest elsewhere
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15:56.27Mikkmmmm
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15:56.30Mikkcommon problem come march :P
15:56.41KriLL3imo the clouds should deposit snow that lasts where people don't walk or car's don't drive
15:56.42Mikk"fuuucking hell, huge slopes in all directions.. now i have to start shutteling it behind the house"
15:57.12KriLL3Mikk: get a flame thrower
15:57.17FtH|DaemonaYou know those lamp post style outdoor party heaters?
15:57.19Mikktrying to resist buying a snow blower
15:57.24FtH|Daemonapile snow below it ;)
15:57.29Mikkbut it always gets really tempting around the same time each year
15:57.30KriLL3flame thrower > snow blower
15:58.43FtH|Daemonahmm obviously i got a sidewinder x8 mouse in the mail from some lottery i opted in... anygood or just stick with my mx1000`?
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16:01.30MikkFtH|Daemona: i've got a wired sidewinder that i'm liking myself
16:01.30Mikkhaven't tried mx1000
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16:02.26Mikkwhat i'm particularily liking (about mine at least) is that the thumb buttons are on top of eachother rather than in front / behind
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16:02.39Mikkso much easier finding the right one in a twitch play situation
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16:03.32KriLL3I use a MX1000, haven't found anything I can replace it with, other mice to too few buttons, a weird shape, etc
16:03.53sb|workmx1100
16:03.58KriLL3no
16:04.05FtH|Daemonathe battery on my mx1000 is degrading rapidly for me
16:04.11KriLL3less buttons, and it's AA powered instead of integrated li-ion
16:04.12FtH|Daemonaonly like 2 days most
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16:05.21FtH|Daemonahttp://i49.tinypic.com/mcsmj8.jpg
16:05.34FtH|Daemonaprobably should switch on some lights for a betterpic
16:05.52FtH|Daemonams x8 -> logitech mx1000 -> logitech dual optical
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16:21.32Daemona—christel— [Global Notice] Hi all, as the europeans among us are already aware from earlier, we are experiencing heavy DDoS directed at several locations. For further information please /mode yournick +w or join #freenode. Thank you for your patience.
16:21.32Daemonathat was yesterday evening
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16:32.41XinhuanDDoS eh
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16:35.40KriLL3yes, freenode is clearly evil and should be removed from the interwebs
16:36.21durcynscirpt kiddiots are probably trying to extort them rather than remove them from anything
16:36.34nevcairielextortion through ddos never works
16:36.58durcyneither that or just normal malevolent boredom, it's a bit of a toss-up
16:37.11KriLL3yeah, since it costs a lot to maintain it, if it goes on for too long they'll be broke instead of wealthy
16:37.29nevcairielthe servers are sponsored mostly
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16:37.39durcynextortion doesn't necessarily mean money
16:37.49durcynif it's someone out for revenge, etc
16:38.23KriLL3"Quel’Delar in now unique equip." so the legendary weapon of myth can't be dual wielded anymore? =P
16:39.03KriLL3funny though that the NPCs shouts that player x now has it, when that happens the previous guy to get it should have to hand it over or something
16:39.09nevcairielI just dont see why anyone would ddos freenode
16:39.10nevcairielare they against open software in general or something?
16:39.11arkaneskids do lots of stupid shit
16:39.11arkanesI have met some really, really crazy people who hate open software that much though
16:39.19Repo10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 644d638 WorldMapSupport.lua: [+1 commit] fix possibility of the dropdowns erroring out
16:39.23SunTsunevcairiel: Most probably because they are dumb as hell
16:39.31KriLL3nevcairiel: huff enough glue and it makes sense, I guess.
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16:40.14arkanessome guy got kicked from #hotnudes or something and now he's pissy
16:40.42nevcairielwonders how many people joined #hotnudes now
16:40.43genetik-#hotnudes, you say?
16:40.45genetik-heh
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16:57.38Stanzillathat would take eDrama into a new dimension
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17:00.14Repo10ora3: 03mojosdojo * r294 locales/deDE.lua: deDE update
17:01.18Gnarfoz@project class-timer
17:01.20RepoGnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/classtimer/. ClassTimer. Game: WoW. Stanzilla (Manager/Maintainer), ominous (Author). Updated: 21 hours ago. Tickets: 26/44
17:01.31GnarfozStanzilla: you aware of the changes 'wt-' made? oO
17:01.54Gnarfoz(also, do you think there's a point in adding spellid support to ClassTimer now that that's available?)
17:02.12nevcairiel"now" that its available, eh?
17:02.19nevcairielwhat about the last year? :P
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17:04.36profalbertUnitAura didn't provide spellIds afaik
17:04.38Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r255 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua:
17:04.39RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
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17:04.48RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
17:04.52nevcairieleven that change is pretty old now =)
17:04.57Repo10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03Nevcairiel * r248 LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua:
17:04.58RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
17:05.05Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release2 * r256 : Weekly Tag - Week 2
17:05.08Repo10libbabble-faction-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release2 * r107 : Weekly Tag - Week 2
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17:05.29StanzillaGnarfoz: yes, see comments
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17:06.19profalbert1 week is old?
17:06.29yoshimoddos again... stupid people
17:06.47Repo10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r906 changelog.txt: Update changelog.txt
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17:17.46arkanescalling out DBM for being "for morons" relative to bigwigs sounds a little ridiculous to me
17:17.46VonhintenI know he's kidding
17:17.46nevcairieldbm has strategy hints and unneccessary otherwise totally obvious stuff
17:17.46nevcairielso its for people that don't want to pay attention to anything besides their boss mod
17:17.46arkaneswell so does bigwigs
17:17.46arkanesuntrue
17:17.46arkanesusing a bossmod at all means you're admitting you need help noticing and keeping track of boss abilities
17:17.46Gnarfozthey have a different philosophy than BW, it's not really dumb, just different.
17:17.46nevcairielbigwigs always has had a philosophy of not providing tactics in the boss mod
17:17.47arkanesso taking it to the point of calling someone who uses DBM a moron seems pretty unwarranted
17:17.47nevcairielthey tell you wtf is going on, but not how you should react
17:17.47Gnarfozarkanes: their usual point is: well, we help you see what's going on; DBM tells also tells you what to do about it
17:17.47VonhintenI think the problem is, healers for instance, tend to spend a lot of time staring at a Grid, so they can't typically see cast bars
17:17.47Vonhintenespecially for mobs that are 300ft tall
17:17.47arkanesyou're talking about how DBMs warning message is something like "heal cast, kick now" instead of just "heal cast"?
17:17.47nevcairielyes
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17:17.55arkanesthat's a pretty absurd distinction
17:18.00nevcairielthere is a big difference
17:18.00arkanesI don't agree
17:18.00nevcairieltactics vs no tactics
17:18.08Gnarfozdon't they have arrows pointing you where to go, too?
17:18.09Gnarfoz:D
17:18.17nevcairielprobably
17:18.36arkanesI think they got the arrows recently
17:18.43arkanesDXE started that one
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17:18.54nevcairieldbm also says stuff like "casting X, move away now", which is even more important
17:19.01nevcairielas to kick a heal cast is obvious
17:19.03Stanzilladbm had the arrows first, on thadd :D
17:19.11arkanesmoving out of casts is pretty easy too
17:19.19nevcairielbut not a obvious information
17:19.31arkanesactually bigwigs had thaddius arrows before DBM even existed :P
17:19.41vhaarrnever in the core
17:19.44arkanesin fact that was one of the killer features that got people to use it over oraraid
17:19.44vhaarrit was a separate addon
17:19.46[Ammo]it wasn't actually bigwigs, but a 3rd party addon
17:19.49[Ammo]or module
17:19.50arkanesit was a module yes
17:19.59vhaarrthe key words are "separate addon"
17:20.10vhaarryou never got it bundled
17:20.12arkanesI still think it's a ridiculous nit on which to place words like "moron"
17:20.24vhaarrI agree
17:20.24vhaarrwho said that?
17:20.26nevcairieli did, and i stand by it :P
17:20.30[Ammo]haha
17:20.33vhaarrye that's fine
17:20.42arkanesits fine if you want more or less informaton in your boss mod but to say that DBM is for morons because it has 2 more words in the spellcast alert is ridiculous
17:20.48vhaarrI was just curious if it was a bigwigs developer/translator
17:21.11[Ammo]there's a big difference for many guilds, some use their own unique strats and DBM's messages interfere
17:21.21arkanessure
17:21.28arkaneswe do twins differently than DBM does
17:21.29[Ammo]anyway, time for dinner
17:21.46arkanesdoes that mean we're smarter than bigwigs users, because our boss mod actually gives false messages we have to ignore? :P
17:22.19durcynit means that you're being badly served by your addon
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17:22.31nevcairielignoring is easy, everyone does it constantly
17:22.41nevcairielit would be so much easier if people actually listened to their boss mods when they have them
17:23.39nevcairielspeaking of twins, where does that message that tells me to switch to the different buff come from anyway?
17:23.44nevcairielis that those blizzard boss mods?
17:24.03arkanesno?
17:24.15nevcairielwell its not bigwigs, and i dont have other boss mods :P
17:24.26arkaneswell
17:24.38arkanesmaybe it is bigwigs :P
17:24.44nevcairielno its not, i checked the code
17:24.52nevcairielbecause the strategy hint surprised me
17:25.17arkanesin response to which event?
17:26.17arkanesI suppose they may have changed, I haven't done the event without a bossmod since shortly after release
17:26.22VonhintenWell, anyway, something as simple as a healer seeing a "staggering roar" alert motivating them to switch from one mod to another is as much an indication of something that might have merit, as that person is lazy/bad/stupid
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17:27.54arkanesI've never heard anyone suggest that was a reason for using DBM over bigwigs
17:28.10VonhintenYes you have, I just mentioned it...
17:28.37arkanesno, you're suggesting that people who would do that are stupid
17:28.46Vonhinteneh?
17:28.55arkanesI've never heard anyone say "hey, we should be using DBM because bigwigs doesn't tell us when to stop casting"
17:29.26arkanesof course I don't follow DBM forums or whatever so maybe they hype it there
17:29.43VonhintenI don't know what you're talking about, I never implied that
17:29.57arkanesoh I misread what you said
17:29.58arkanessorry
17:30.04Repo10shamanwarning: 03Silmano 04v1.1.18 * 97f4cbb /: [new tag, +1 commits]
17:30.04arkanesI fail at comprehension
17:30.06Repo- Added totem warnings
17:30.06Repo- Updated locales
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17:31.49VonhintenI don't care really, what people use, so long as it does the important things and makes them effective.  Flashing the screen when you have a debuff that you need to pay attention to, is important to me.  If they both do that, great.
17:32.31arkanesI understand that different people might have difference preferences
17:33.15arkanesI just don't like the attitude that because I have a small amount more info in my content and attention trivializing bossmod than you do that I'm a moron
17:33.17VonhintenUnfortunately, the differences in DBM and BigWigs has forced us to have to demote certain people from raid assist, because DBM likes to use Skulls and X's differently than BigWigs, and doesn't respect manual assignments
17:33.35arkaneshmm, DBM is supposed to be adjustable
17:34.01nevcairielpeople and configuring addons right? yeah thats going to happen
17:34.04arkanesI used DZE for a while
17:34.07VonhintenMaybe, but good luck figuring out who it is, and getting them to adjust it...
17:34.07arkanesDXE rather
17:34.32VonhintenFar easier to say "Which one of you is running DBM?... <click> <click> demoted"
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17:36.43onaforeignshorehey
17:37.11onaforeignshoreI have a big problem: from the curse website (and I've checked - it's true) - Perhaps it's just me, but 2.0 - 2.0.4 does not have the addon in the zip file. It's just the Changelog. This happens in both the Curse client and manual install.
17:37.37nevcairielwhich addon?
17:39.18ckknightanyone have a reasonable hashing algorithm in lua? i.e. I have a string, I want to get a fixed-length hash result from said string.
17:39.23Repo10sharedmedia: 03Seerah * r178 / (36 files in 5 directories):
17:39.25Repo- readded some fonts.  All fonts included allow for redistribution.  Any licenses required to be included with their redistribution are found in the "fonts\font info and licenses" folder.
17:39.26Repo- I created 4 backgrounds and 1 border for SharedMedia, and give permission for their redistribution with SharedMedia
17:39.27Repo- updated INSTRUCTIONS for MyMedia.txt (fixed typos, clarified some things, added a short & sweet FAQ ) - be sure to read!
17:39.28Repo- uppded TOC and version numbers for 3.3
17:40.16onaforeignshorenevcairiel: guilder
17:40.25nevcairiel@project guilder
17:40.26Reponevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/guilder/. Guilder. Game: WoW. onaforeignshore (Manager/Author). Updated: 16 hours ago
17:41.06Daemonackknight i just learned last week in my algorithms class that cross-summing the value and modulo(hashlength) is not good ;) so dont try using that :D
17:41.07nevcairielew its hg
17:41.35sztanpetckknight i would ask in #lua if i were you, bigger chance somebody developed somethin for it
17:41.49ckknighttrue
17:41.54Vonhintendoes lua not have a built in hasher?  that's something better done in C than in lua imo
17:42.05sztanpetsure it does
17:42.08nevcairielonaforeignshore: talk to Kaelten, seems like the tag packaing for hg is broken
17:42.14sztanpetnot available from lua tho
17:42.30arkanesreally?
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17:42.45arkanesseems odd that they wouldn't expose whatever hash they use for tables
17:43.00arkanesckknight: what are you hashing?
17:43.24onaforeignshorenevcairiel: the rxx versions on wowace have all the files, it's when I tag the file on the site that it only has the changelog in the zip file?
17:43.28ckknightarkanes: I'm basically trying to generate a pretty unique guid
17:43.53onaforeignshorenevcairiel: is that what you meant with tag packaging?
17:44.08nevcairielonaforeignshore: yes
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17:44.27arkanesckknight: probably want something like SHA-512 then
17:44.38onaforeignshorenevcairiel: thanks :)
17:44.39onaforeignshoreanyone know when documenter will be working again?
17:44.54nevcairielyou broke that too?
17:44.58nevcairielman, seriously!
17:44.59nevcairiel;)
17:45.05ckknightarkanes: doesn't have to be perfect, just reasonable
17:45.22arkanesckknight: the problem is accidental collisions, not attack?
17:45.25nevcairielwhats wrong with the documenter? seems to be running
17:45.29nevcairielit processed Ace3 just now
17:45.55nevcairielalthough the documenter status page could erally need a <pre> tag or something
17:45.55VonhintenHere ya go, reproduce this in lua:  http://burtleburtle.net/bob/hash/doobs.html
17:46.44ckknightarkanes: correct
17:46.57arkaneshmm, well the implementations I found were in C :(
17:47.19onaforeignshorenevcariel: keeps saying "no .docmeta found", even though I have one in my upload
17:47.23ckknightapparently JoshBorke wrote an MD5 library
17:47.31onaforeignshoreanother mercurial problem?
17:47.40arkanesmd5s not that hard to implement by hand
17:48.20arkanesUUID-4
17:48.23arkaneswould work
17:48.55nevcairielonaforeignshore: possibly, people don't use mercurial here, so we wouldnt discover bugs. ;)
17:49.12ckknightarkanes: can't generate a UUID properly, don't have some of the data (e.g. MAC address)
17:49.23arkanesckknight: UUID-4 is purely random
17:49.27ckknighthmm
17:49.44Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r6877 Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
17:49.58ckknightwell, basically my idea is to take a few random values, mouse position, time, make a string, then hash that.
17:50.31arkanesthats basically how uuid4 works
17:50.45arkanesexcept for the mouse position part, but thats part of the entropy pool for the RNG anyway
17:50.58ckknightWoW's RNG doesn't use that in its entropy pool
17:51.14arkanesit's not just a proxy for the OS one?
17:51.36nevcairielthe client itself doesnt have a fancy RNG
17:51.38nevcairielthe server does
17:52.01arkanesright, thats what I would expect
17:52.13arkanesall the OS RNGs I know of use mouse movement for as part of the entropy
17:52.41ckknightmost don't.
17:52.49ckknightnot for the simple random values
17:52.52ckknightwhich lua's math.random is
17:53.01ckknightit just sets the random seed from the time.
17:53.15ckknightit's like Unix's /dev/random vs. /dev/urandom
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17:54.28onaforeignshorenevcairiel: does that mean I should abandon mercurial/hg or is someone going to fix it?
17:55.23nevcairielI would abandon it :P but no, someone might fix it some time
17:55.31nevcairielits just that only very few people use hg
17:56.17nevcairieljust talk to Kaelten
17:56.34Kaeltenwup
17:56.37Kaeltensup*
17:56.52onaforeignshoreKaelten: mercurial support please :P
17:56.57Kaelten?
17:57.04nevcairielapparently the packager doesnt properly package hg tags
17:57.13nevcairielit just ends up with a file with a changelog in it
17:57.14onaforeignshoreKaelten: tag packaging as well as documenter
17:57.20Kaeltenerm
17:57.22Kaeltendoesn't sound right
17:57.24KaeltenI use hg
17:57.29Kaeltenand my stuff packages
17:57.40nevcairielwell his alphas are fine
17:57.55onaforeignshorewell, all my rxx files on wowace are full pakcages, but the moment I use the website to tag them, it only has the changelog
17:58.01onaforeignshore@package guilder
17:58.09onaforeignshore@project guilder
17:58.10Repoonaforeignshore: http://www.wowace.com/addons/guilder/. Guilder. Game: WoW. onaforeignshore (Manager/Author). Updated: 16 hours ago
17:58.28KaeltenI know my tagging works: http://static.wowace.com/content/files/399/766/OneBag3-v3.3.11.zip for example
17:58.39Kaeltenonaforeignshore: you're using the website's tagging interface?
17:59.47Kaeltenonaforeignshore: ?
17:59.48Fiskerhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/aff7b7762dd1fc1ff4507590ba7f5cf5.png <-this is my lulz face Kaelten and ckknight
18:00.21KaeltenFisker: ?
18:00.28onaforeignshoreKaelten: yes
18:00.31ckknightis that 30 gigs?
18:00.46KaeltenFisker: er... is that?
18:00.52Kaeltenonaforeignshore:hrm
18:01.25Fiskeryeah ckknight
18:01.34Kaeltenonaforeignshore: unrelated are you aware you have 4 heads in your repo?
18:02.03Kaeltenand do you object to me making a tag to test?
18:02.15nevcairielhe has heads in his repo? now thats gross
18:02.19onaforeignshoreKaelten: <-- newbie, so no idea what heads are
18:02.27onaforeignshoreKaelten: no objections
18:02.47Repo10guilder: 03Kaelten * r45 .hgtags: Added tag 2.0.5 for changeset 3569dac712c4
18:02.48onaforeignshoreKaelten: you can even wipe the whole lot and I'll start it from scratch, I don't mind
18:02.56Kaeltenna shouldn't need to do that
18:03.14ShadowedXinhuan: Do you remember where you put your dropdown menu fix code, I know it was a pastey on wowace
18:03.22nevcairielFisker: 30gb working set? do you have 20gb of swap or something? :P
18:03.59nevcairieloh waits its commit, not working set
18:04.15nevcairielthats just reserved memory by the OS, not actually used memory
18:04.52Kaeltennevcairiel: my guess is the memory clearing stuff is fragmenting memory to some degree forcing that to inflate
18:06.29nevcairielas long as it doesnt show up in private
18:06.34nevcairielits not a classic leak
18:06.44Pneumatusmine was at 3.2Gb working set yesterday but i restarted it and its stayed at 160Mb for the last 24 hours
18:06.50Xinhuanhmm Shadowed, iirc, it didn't work in one specific case
18:07.04Kaeltenonaforeignshore: ok, it looks like the web interface is weird.
18:07.16Xinhuansetting focus on npcs didn't work i think, only pcs with it
18:07.26Shadowedaha found it http://paste.wowace.com/781/
18:07.27Kaeltenonaforeignshore: not sure exactly why, I'll have to look at that.  if you tag it locally and do a push it works fine
18:07.29Shadowedyea Xinhuan
18:07.37Kaeltenonaforeignshore: as you can see with http://static.wowace.com/content/files/403/0/guilder-2.0.5.zip
18:08.41Vonhintenhey Xinhuan, what's the story with gemhelper these days?
18:08.41ShadowedThe limitation with it was, it has to be done with just TargetFrameDropDown:Show()
18:08.41Shadowedif I remember right
18:08.42Kaeltengrabbing lunch
18:08.42Xinhuani might find time to update it when my school term ends
18:08.42ShadowedBut I need to lookup my old code that was using it since I want to play with it more
18:08.42Xinhuanor i might not
18:08.42Kaeltenping me in the message and I'll see them when I get back.
18:08.42Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r6878 Citadel/Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
18:08.42ShadowedI'm going to do that if I can remember how I made that code work before :p
18:08.48Vonhintenxinhuan, any idea what's broken?  /gh doesn't bring it up anymore
18:09.01Xinhuanno idea
18:09.04Xinhuanit still works on my end
18:09.33Xinhuansomeone sent me a zip containing an update patch, but i haven't even looked at it yet
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18:13.12nevcairielwhats "the" DK tanking spec these days?
18:13.14nevcairielblood? frost?
18:14.20Stanzillablood
18:14.23Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r6879 Citadel/Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
18:15.02ShadowedHrm, you can get a table into secure env through :Execute() right?
18:15.20nevcairielonly if you rebuild it inside the env
18:15.34Shadowedthen no :<
18:15.38nevcairiellike generate teh code that would create the table
18:15.41nevcairieland then execute it
18:15.46ShadowedI hate dropdowns
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18:22.42onaforeignshoreKaelten: sorry, am in raid atm, so stealing glances here when I can - I don't know how to tag locally yet, which is why I'm using the web interface. I have TortoiseHG
18:23.40onaforeignshoremay have delayed response, but I will respond... eventually
18:24.55Shadowedfssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
18:24.57Shadoweddropdowns are evil
18:24.59Shadowedso very evil
18:25.15Daemonahands Shadowed a big choc cookie
18:26.59arkanesShadowed: hey
18:27.20arkanesShadowed: I ran into some bugs with vehicles & combo points/buffs, you want a patch?
18:27.26Shadowedsure
18:27.43ShadowedXinhuan: Do you remember what the original taint issue that your fix is supposed to solve? I know it was listed somewhere
18:28.13ShadowedI swear it was some positioning issue
18:28.34arkanesShadowed: it looks like you were using a playerframeUnit global to try to make it work, but it wasn't
18:28.46Shadowedoh thats it? I can fix that
18:29.04ShadowedI'm not using PlayerFrame, using ShadowUF
18:29.05arkanesyeah, I just replaced it with UnitIsInVehicle() checks and so on
18:29.20Shadoweddid you disable the player frames in SUF?
18:29.25arkanesno
18:29.31Xinhuani don't really remember now
18:30.46Shadowedweird, yea send or pastey the patch arkanes
18:31.00arkaneslet me get git set up correctly here
18:31.25ShadowedAll I remember is the dropdown bug is something obscure and silly
18:31.35asmodaiXinhuan is awaaaaaaake
18:31.39Repo10loremstr (experimental): 03Scisto * r33 / (12 files in 2 directories): Add localization files.
18:32.15Vonhintenthis sushi > your face.
18:34.28Repo10loremstr (experimental): 03Scisto * r34 / (4 files in 1 directory): Renamed files
18:34.58SilowyiJust out of curiousity what are people's favorite unit frame mods? I've used Pitbull and X-Perl so far, anything else similar to these two in scope/capability?
18:36.31Fiskernevcairiel it still used the memory actually
18:36.33arkanesI've used xperl for a long time but recently switched to Shadowed
18:36.39Fiskerput my Swap at 22GB
18:36.47Fiskerused 8-9GB of memory
18:37.23Silowyiarkanes: Shadowed do everything that x-perl does?
18:38.23Shadowed@project wtf
18:38.24RepoShadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/wtf/. Who's tanking - frames. Game: WoW. smb (Manager/Author). Updated: 4 days ago. Tickets: 1/1
18:38.48SilowyiI'm guessing Shadowed is the author ^_^
18:38.50Repo10calendarextras: 03wT- * r38 / (11 files in 2 directories):
18:38.52RepoLots of changes under the hood, trying to polish the code a bit and make it a bit more compatible with other addons, no actual functionality has changed for now.
18:38.53Shadowedpossibly
18:38.53RepoThe addon is now split in two, the core addon and the modules, this was the easiest way to make sure things load and happen in the right order.
18:39.34Gnarfoz<@nevcairiel> speaking of twins, where does that message that tells me to switch to the different buff come from anyway? <-- it's a boss emote, yay ;o
18:39.43Silowyialso, congratulations on finally finding an appropriate addon name that acronymns to "wtf"
18:39.51SilowyiI think that might be the first in the WoW community
18:40.14Fiskerno Silowyi
18:40.22Fiskerthat's not really a proper name at all
18:40.31Fiskerobvious forced wtf is obviously forced
18:40.36SilowyiHehe
18:41.54SilowyiI entertained ideas a while back of making a damage meter called Silowyi's "Hit It" Tracker
18:43.06arkaneshmph I thought github had a thing like launchpad, where I could submit a branch
18:43.16Adremmabeen done; for a while there was a ret pally addon called Serious Help In Timing
18:43.19arkanesmaybe I need to log in first
18:43.27SilowyiHas recursive naming possibilities similar to the acronymn for PHP, acronymns to... well, and then also, "hit it" could be seen as sexual innuendo... but I figured all in all it was over the top.
18:43.39Repo10calendarextras: 03wT- * r39 / (16 files in 2 directories):
18:43.41RepoMove the modules into Modules subdir, and rename main to core, and fix the tocs
18:43.43arkanesSilowyi: mostly
18:44.18SilowyiSuF looks pretty decent
18:44.56Silowyihow is the performance in a raid setting Shadowed?
18:45.10ShadowedGood enough that Antiarc doesn't yell at me
18:45.36Silowyithat's pretty high praise
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18:46.41Mikkit's fine, i whine at him plenty
18:46.54Mikkmostly about the odd microsecond here and there but hey
18:47.08Shadowednevcairiel: ping
18:47.13nevcairiel?
18:47.21Camcihey guys im getting this error every time i log in since 3.3
18:47.25CamciAceConsole-2.0-91094 (Ace2):2582: AceTab-2.0: Cannot register frame "ChatFrameEditBox"; it does not exist
18:47.25CamciAceConsole-2.0-91094 (Ace2):2688: in main chunk
18:47.28GnarfozNeoTron: you around?
18:47.32NeoTronyes
18:47.32ShadowedYou can't get a proper GetAttribute("unit") return when using useparent-unit/unitsuffix right
18:47.35Camciwhat to do? :p
18:47.46Repo10calendarextras: 03wT- 04v1.4.2 * r40 : Tagging 1.4.2
18:47.55VonhintenCamci, I recommend updating your mods
18:48.35Camcii have updated all mods thats been updated, but i suspect ace2 has to be updated?
18:48.41Camciit hasnt been updated since october something
18:48.55Vonhintencheck beta level updates
18:49.09ShadowedNow I remember why SUF was having issues with using XML templates for MTT/MAT because unit didn't get properly set
18:49.14Brunersisnt ace2 supposed to die in favor of ace3?
18:49.17Shadowedyes
18:49.34Camcithere is no betas iirc :p
18:49.43GnarfozNeoTron: magicdkp_client is missing translations for that new "disable bids" feature
18:49.52GnarfozNeoTron: even on enGB/enUS, that is
18:49.55VonhintenI dunno, I stopped having that error patch day, after updating
18:50.19Camcican you link me the updated one?
18:50.26Camcii dont see any updates >.<
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18:50.38GnarfozCamci: update all instances of AceTab-2.0 to latest ace2
18:50.41Vonhintenr1098
18:50.42Gnarfoz-> fixed
18:50.47SilowyiShadowed, a few questions for you.
18:50.47NeoTronprobably true
18:51.03SilowyiWhat level are you, do you raid ICC with your guild, and how long have you played WoW?
18:51.19Vonhintenah, I run disembedded, maybe that's why
18:51.23Shadowed80, nope and uh
18:51.26Shadowedearly 2005
18:51.33Silowyihmm
18:51.38Silowyido you raid at all?
18:51.49ShadowedI do some, but casual mostly right now
18:51.55CamciGnarfoz: I would if i saw an updated one... wowace has no updated, the latest i see is the release one from months back, unless im looking in a wrong place :P
18:52.11ShadowedRaided more in TBC
18:52.35Silowyiok... if I start using SUF you aren't going to disappear next week and leave the mod unsupported :D right?
18:52.38arkanesShadowed: If I have understood git & github correctly, my fixes should be in my fork on github
18:52.49Shadowedarkanes I don't use github for SUF anymore :p
18:52.55arkanesShadowed: grawr!
18:53.00arkanesShadowed: what do you use?
18:53.02Shadowedno I certainly wouldn't die
18:53.07Shadowed@project shadowed-unit-frames
18:53.08RepoShadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/. Shadowed Unit Frames. Game: WoW. Shadowed (Manager/Author). Updated: 15 hours ago. Tickets: 2/14
18:53.23arkanesweb page on wowace still says github :\
18:53.36Silowyilooks like you created something pretty cool here shadowed, I'ma try it out this weekend
18:53.36Shadowedit lies
18:53.47HirsuteSilowyi: I *love* SUF
18:54.11arkanesoh, it doesn't
18:54.37arkanesscrew it I'm just going to pastey a patch
18:54.43SilowyiWindows Defender just flagged CurseClient.exe as a potential threat and sent it off to Microsoft :P
18:54.44arkanesthis is too much work for 2 line diff
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18:55.35Repo10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r426 / (2 files in 1 directory): anti-phishing update
18:56.12Shadowedah fuck
18:56.17SilowyiWhy does WoW turn my num lock key off every time I log in?
18:56.22ShadowedI don't want to rewrite SUF to support these stupid MTTs
18:56.36arkanesMTT?
18:56.41Shadowedmain tank targets
18:56.48arkanesah
18:56.59arkanesI thought you had support for that already
18:57.06nevcairielMTTs shouldnt be too hard to do
18:57.20ShadowedSUF isn't setup to handle unitsuffix and useparent-unit
18:57.51nevcairielhow do you do party targets or even party pets?
18:58.00ShadowedA hackjob and secure wrappers :p
18:58.06nevcairielewww
18:58.12nevcairielits so much easier with unitsuffix
18:58.19Shadowedyes I'm just going to see what haste does and steal that
18:58.25arkanesShadowed: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157444/
18:58.42Shadowedoh that
18:58.57Pneumatusany of you lot happen to use CruiseControl?
18:58.58Shadowedthe auras one was already fixed to assume pet/player/vehicle are yours arkanes
18:59.05Pneumatusor have experience configuring it, specifically
18:59.19arkanesShadowed: the caster = ShadowUF.playerUnit doesn't work
18:59.31ShadowedI know, it bypasses it and just checks caster
18:59.33arkanesI'm not sure why not
18:59.37ShadowedThe two GetComboPoint calls are necessary thought
18:59.38arkaneswhere does it do that?
18:59.43ShadowedDid you disable vehicle swapping in SUF?
18:59.44Shadowedfor player
18:59.48arkanesno, it's enabled
18:59.54arkaneswhich is why I'm not sure why it doesn't work
19:00.15arkanesI wasn't able to test on malygos, but on the Aces High drakes the CP code you had definitely didn't work
19:00.21Shadowedthe two GetComboPoints calls are definitely necessary, but I'll check on Aces High drakes later
19:00.31arkanesand what I've got definitely does
19:00.37Shadowedemail me your SV too
19:00.39Shadowedshadowed.wow@gmail.com
19:01.12PrimerPneumatus: what is CruiseControl?
19:01.24PneumatusPrimer: continuous intergration build manager
19:01.34arkaneswe use CC at work
19:01.36Shadowedah, I see what haste does nev
19:01.36Primersounds like a lot of buzz words
19:01.56nevcairielShadowed: i know what he does, i use it in my oUF layout :d
19:02.05nevcairielbut its a nice thing to do :D
19:02.10nevcairieljust requires xml templates
19:02.23ShadowedNo, I mean how he manages keeping the .unit part maintained :p
19:02.31nevcairieloh that
19:02.57PrimerPneumatus: and here I thought CruiseControl was an addon for automating traveling in WoW :)
19:03.18arkanesI really wish that SavedVariables lived under Interface somewhere
19:03.27Primerarkanes: why?
19:03.38arkanesPrimer: easier to versionit
19:03.47arkanesI guess I could symlink it
19:04.11Primerarkanes: version it for the sake of your addon knowing what it's dealing with?
19:04.43arkanesno, for my own convenience in exporting, reverting, etc settings
19:04.52Repo10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r241 / (2 files in 2 directories): snow flakes and stuff
19:04.55PrimerPneumatus: earlier today I was talking to my boss about the very concept of developers branching trunk for every change they make (yes, we use svn)
19:05.18Primerand committing often
19:05.18Pneumatuswe all work into trunk, but we're only a small team
19:05.29arkanesPrimer: I really enjoy working that way
19:05.30Primerwell, right now so do we
19:05.36Primerand we're only 4 guys
19:05.42arkanesticket for every change, branch for every ticket
19:05.52Primerarkanes: with svn?
19:05.56arkanesPrimer: yeah
19:06.03Primerisn't it a pain though?
19:06.05Pneumatuswe have commits per ticket, usually
19:06.06arkanesnot really
19:06.08Primerall the branching and merging?
19:06.21arkanesPrimer: there's some tools you can use to help with it
19:06.40arkanesPrimer: Twisted development works this way, and if you want to try it out you might check out divmod combinator
19:07.09Pneumatusour tickets are generally enhancements though which come off our trac roadmap
19:08.05arkanesPneumatus: http://divmod.org/trac/wiki/UltimateQualityDevelopmentSystem
19:08.31arkanesannoy silly douchiness of the name
19:08.35arkaneser, ignore it
19:09.33Primerthing is, I'm dealing with other developers who never heard of a "branch" before I got here
19:09.46Pneumatusi need to figure out how to get cruisecontrol to raise tickets for broken builds next :<
19:10.02PrimerPneumatus: plus we have zero automated testing
19:10.09arkanesPrimer: eeeeeek
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19:10.27Pneumatusah, well we build on every svn rev at the moment, running full compiles and tests
19:10.27Primerwhich is something I'm trying to convince my boss we desperately need
19:10.35Primerbut he's content to just manually test everything
19:10.39arkanesPneumatus: one of the great things about branched based development is that you can make broken builds in trunk legitimately a huge deal
19:10.50Primerwhich, of course, has lead to bugs in releases
19:10.52Pneumatuswhich should never fail because people should be running tests locally first, but that doesnt always happen
19:10.54Primerdue to lack of testing
19:11.13arkanesPneumatus: at work we still just have everyone commit to trunk, and we'll end up with problems like a broken trunk because a depdendency didn't get deployed on the build machine yet
19:11.22PrimerPneumatus: except you can't test for the things that break outside of the scope of what you're working on
19:11.30PneumatusJUnit
19:11.33Pneumatusso yes, you can :)
19:11.35arkanesPneumatus: this has happened enough that people don't treat build failures as a Major Problem, just somethign to wait for someone else to fix
19:11.37SilowyiShadowed: if you're still around, how do I enable raid frames for configuration?
19:11.40Primerunless you test every permutation...yeah, don't go there
19:11.47Shadowedunlock is all you get right now
19:11.55Primer<Primer> Pneumatus: plus we have zero automated testing
19:12.01Pneumatusyah
19:12.12Pneumatuswithout automated testing it would be harsh :o
19:12.20arkanesPneumatus: but if you do all dev work in branches, the only thing that can break trunk is a bad merge, and thats a Big Deal
19:12.34Pneumatusfair point
19:13.01arkanesthe twisted team has a pretty nice setup of commit hooks and trac integreation and such too
19:13.18arkanesso you can go from the ticket to the branch the work was done in, and then also the commit that merged it to trunk if it has been
19:13.34PrimerI'm also trying to convince my boss that 'staging' is not for testing dev code, but for testing releases (before they're deployed to production) against the production database
19:13.43Pneumatuswe use branches for stability testing
19:14.06Primerbecause as it is right now, a developer must commit to trunk to get code into the "staging" server (which I really want to rename to "testing")
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19:14.08arkanestheres obviously more overhead, if only mental and discipline overhead, than in the casual style
19:14.38SilowyiShadowed: party pets/party targets?
19:14.42Primerbecause the people that test the stuff don't want to hit our slow ass server-by-a-T1 developer sandboxes
19:14.45arkanesso a lot of people do resist that
19:14.57ShadowedSilowyi you really should at least sort of look through the configuration :p
19:15.03Shadowedthese aren't exactly hidden
19:15.28SilowyiUnit Configuration does not list party pets or party targets
19:15.36Primerarkanes: right, and this is what I've conveyed to my boss. I'm actually willing to take on that overhead, but I just can't see myself merging another developer's code because they refuse to learn or maintain the discipline
19:15.54KuosiSilowyi: have you enabled those frames?
19:15.59Kuosiiirc they are not on by default
19:16.07arkanesPrimer: you've got to have buyin from the rest of the developers for it to work
19:16.13SilowyiKuosi: That would probably be very helpful to know how to do :D
19:16.14Primerindeed
19:16.15arkanesPrimer: but really thats like anything else.
19:16.27KuosiThe Units main menu
19:16.30Silowyiah, Unit Status
19:16.32Silowyiyay!
19:16.33Kuosiyup
19:16.41Primeryeah. It'd be a learning curve some some...(read: all)
19:16.43Primerexcept me :)
19:17.08SilowyiI expect given this gem of knowledge I can figure the rest out on my own
19:17.30arkanesShadowed: it took me some time to figure out that "unit status" meant "what unit frames to show"
19:17.44arkanesI don't really know what a better name would be, but it wasn't intuitive to me
19:17.59ShadowedI generally like to think that people are at least a little curious and read tooltips :p
19:18.03Shadowedor look at them
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19:18.31Shadowedbut apparently I have to rename it to Units enabled or something
19:18.31KuosiShadowed: does not work like that :D
19:18.35Shadowedunfortunately not
19:18.40SilowyiShadowed: Sort of a UI bias I have to tend to ignore menu items that aren't expandable
19:18.48Kuosihaving read comp science for 4 and half years at uni by now
19:18.59Kuosican tell, ppl really dont look further than they need to
19:19.09sylvanaarPrimer you guys put untested code on the stage?
19:19.10Shadowedthat's why I said "like to think"
19:19.11Shadowed:<
19:19.18arkaneswell, it said "unit status" and status wasn't what I wanted, so I didn't look at the unit frames
19:19.24arkaneser, at the tooltip
19:19.24SilowyiShadowed: It comes from the days of believing that multi-level menus should be Category > Item rather than Menu Item > Submenu Item
19:19.25Kuosiit's nice to be a believer!
19:19.33ShadowedI blame Ace2
19:19.44arkanesuntil after a bit, when I decided to look at every option in order until I found what I wanted
19:19.50sylvanaarShadowed so does everyone else
19:19.54Shadowedtrue
19:19.56ShadowedI blame ckknight
19:20.02ckknighthmm?
19:20.06Shadowedblaming you!
19:20.11SilowyiThere are two paths to knowledge, spending hours doing it yourself, or asking someone who is guaranteed to know :)
19:20.14Primersylvanaar: well, the term "staging" here has taken on the role of what I would traditionally have called "development" or "testing"
19:20.36Pneumatusckknight: would you object to me commiting to dogtagunits once i've verified my patch?
19:20.41Primersylvanaar: it's just a term really, but in reality it means we have no real "staging"
19:20.45ckknightof course not, Pneumatus
19:20.50sylvanaarPrimer yeah, i was just wondering - cause for me the stage always involves the customer
19:20.51Primeri.e. pre-release code pointed at production data
19:21.06Primerwell, our customers are also our main testers
19:21.08arkanesPrimer: I had to practically scalp people to get one for my stuff at work
19:21.13Primerwe don't have in-house QA
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19:21.36arkanesPrimer: traditionally, all our testing is done in a "stage" environment which has almost no relation to production
19:21.37PrimerI don't lack the facilities. My job would be to change people's mindsets
19:21.42Primerwhich is by far, harder
19:21.50arkanesindeed
19:21.56arkanesyou have to work with a mainframe?
19:22.04arkanesor even worse, mainframe programmers?
19:22.38sylvanaargod tell me about it - this company i work at still doesnt use source control on all its projects (i'm in the I hate my job phase right now)
19:22.54sylvanaarits taken me 10 years to get them to even try source control
19:23.00SilowyiWe have separate dev and production codebases. We write on dev, sometimes using a copy of the live data for testing, but never the actual live data. Then port over.
19:23.07Primerno, all our production and testing shit is on Amazon's EC2
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19:23.45Silowyiof course right now I'm the only programmer...
19:25.33PrimerAmazon's EC2 stuff is actually pretty good. For example, I can cut an up-to-the-minute copy of our 100G+ postgres database in about a minute or two
19:25.44Repo10tradeskill-info: 03s8095324 * r358 locale-zhTW.lua: TradeskillInfo:
19:25.46Repo- zhTW update
19:25.47Primerusing their EBS stuff (think of it as LVM clone)
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19:26.16Primerhey, there's the dude that translated my addon to zhTW...and never updated his translation since!
19:26.56durcynsuch a recognizable name.
19:27.10sylvanaarlol
19:27.37sylvanaarits probably his password too
19:27.53Pneumatusim sure i read somewhere you can set up your own ec2 cluster with ubuntu
19:27.54Pneumatusfor lulz
19:27.58sylvanaaryou can
19:28.03sylvanaarits expensivve
19:28.18sylvanaari did it for fun - cost me $20 for 24 hours
19:28.44sylvanaaridle
19:28.57onaforeignshoreI give up - CC is still showing Guilder 1.0.7 beta for me :(
19:30.11sylvanaarwhat should it show
19:30.18SilowyiShadowed: Boss Frame looks like a really great idea for when you're healing in a raid
19:34.00onaforeignshore2.0.5 - which it does on my wife's pc - don't know why it doesn't on mine - maybe cause it's the development version?
19:37.41Pneumatusor because you've got a branch or w/e checked out
19:38.00SilowyiShadowed: I lied, one more question. I don't see raid pets? Kind of useful as a healer but not strictly necessary
19:40.15SilowyiShadowed: You aren't Diverje by any chance are you?
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19:43.13PrimerAnyone have any opinion regarding the TCP Nagle Algorithm and WoW disconnects/latency?
19:43.46PrimerA guildy of mine stated he saw vastly improved performance once he disabled it (It's basically the TCP_NODELAY flag)
19:43.59Primerand Ack frequency
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19:45.29SilowyiPrimer: I used that trick in Windows Vista, it causes your ping to go down, but it doesn't seem to really change much about how the game performs, at least not for me.
19:45.44Repo10tomquest2: 03gagou * r277 / (4 files in 2 directories): fix error in achievement tracker
19:45.46Silowyiand as for the ping thing I think it's more of a perceptual change than an actual change
19:45.46Repofix hide tracker in combat
19:46.09Repo10tomquest2: 03gagou 043.3 beta 5 * r278 : tag as 3.3 beta 5
19:46.23PrimerSilowyi: well, I've been experiencing random disconnects, and it's very odd too because I can't cast, and I can see people moving next to me, and they are able to cast
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19:46.53Primerplus I have lag enabled in quartz, and I some times see a good .5 to 1 second delay in casting
19:47.02Primerand it's not due to network saturation
19:47.04Repo10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 07master * 0.5.4b-1-gae9e8c1 Filters/EquipLocFilter.lua: [+1 commit] fixed a small bug that should never occure in the EquipLocFilter
19:47.10SilowyiPrimer: That doesn't sound like a Nagle's Algorithm thing.
19:47.18SilowyiBut, on the plus side
19:47.24Primerwell, Nagle does delay Acks
19:47.51SilowyiFractionally, and only when there's lots of packets.
19:48.00Primerlike, in a game?
19:48.05Primerheh
19:48.28SilowyiNo what I mean is, when Nagle's Algorithm comes into effect, it's speeding things up, not slowing them down
19:48.57Silowyithat being said
19:48.59Yssarilhas the side effect of making your ping seam higher than it is though
19:49.02Primerthat presumes a congested, high latency network
19:49.03Silowyithere's absolutely no harm in disabling it
19:49.09Primerwhich is usually never the case nowadays
19:49.28Silowyiexactly Yssaril: disabling it is a popular "WoW" fix that realistically does nothing, but appears to do something.
19:49.38Primerit does lower latency
19:49.52Primerit doesn't make their server process my packets any faster though :)
19:50.02Primeror their db insert more quickly
19:50.04YssarilPrimer: your talking on a congested network atm :P (or has the dos attack finaly stopped yet)
19:50.28Repo10better-quest: 03Kemayo * r173 config.lua: Another thing to comment out
19:50.37SilowyiIn any case
19:50.47Silowyireal time applications tend to do marginally better with Nagle's disabled
19:50.57onaforeignshoreanyone know how I can delete the other heads on the repository using TortoiseHG? <-- still a n00b
19:51.20Repo10simpletradeskill: 03Kemayo * r39 SimpleTradeskill.toc: 30300
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19:54.26PrimerYssaril: bwahaha
19:54.42Primerspeaking of DoS...seems freeload has finally settled down
19:54.46ShadowedThere isn't one Silowyi, there will be somepoint
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19:57.21SilowyiShadowed: Oh well, I'm a big fan of players keeping their pets alive anyway
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19:59.04PrimerI heal pets in raids!
19:59.29PrimerBecause I expect my pet to get heals when I'm on my warlock
20:00.02PrimerI once had an argument with a healer who didn't heal my felguard (back when demon was viable) on 4 horsemen, despite him tanking one of the bosses
20:00.07Primer"HEAL MY PET!""
20:00.18Primer"meh, it's only a pet"
20:00.24Primer"DUDE, HE'S TANKING THE BOSS!"
20:00.31Yssarillol
20:00.46PrimerAt which point I had to teach the dumb healer to heal target of target (the boss)
20:00.48Pneumatusdemo is still viable
20:00.49Primerduh
20:01.02PrimerPneumatus: not as much as affliction and destro
20:01.13PrimerI confess, I _loved_ playing with the felguard
20:01.19PrimerI really miss it too
20:01.28Pneumatuswe raid with a demo lock for the buff
20:01.39Pneumatusand their damage is comparable
20:01.47Primerbut that buff doesn't stack with something though?
20:01.55Pneumatusits better than totem of wrath
20:02.00PrimerIf that's not the case, I'm going to re-spec tonight
20:02.01Pneumatusat a certain amount of spellpower
20:02.30Primermy lock has like 3150 sp with fel armor in my destro spec
20:03.14Primerman, I loved fucking melee as full demon while leveling from 70 to 80. Something I was never able to do too well as any other spec
20:03.35PrimerI can only imagine their reactions too once I fucked them hard
20:03.52Kuosiwas epic soloing durn on 67 warlock oO
20:03.58Primerfelguard charge, fear, demon form, demon charge, immolation aura (that was the kicker right there)
20:04.04Primermelee didn't know to stay away
20:04.10Primerwould tick for over 1000 every second
20:04.46Primerand even if they tried to get away, demon charge (would usually save that with a combo of felguard charge in case they tried to run away)
20:04.49Primerso much fun
20:05.18Primerplus felguard melee hits are not to be shrugged off
20:07.02Primerman, I wish we could have 3 specs
20:07.09PrimerI'd pay 5k gold for that
20:07.46Pneumatusyeh, i wish i could have 3 specs as well
20:07.56Pneumatusraid disc, pvp disc and raid shadow
20:08.35GagorianPfft in the good old days we only had one spec *Grumpy*
20:08.52GagorianYou have it so easy now!
20:08.56PrimerI've never once rolled shadow on my priest
20:09.13Primeronly specs I have are pvp disc and raid holy
20:09.21Primerhave used
20:09.23Primerthat is
20:09.24Balreignmust agree with Gagorian
20:09.29Pneumatusi only ever really used shadow in ulduar for fights like yogg that need less healers, as i needed to be in for fragments
20:09.32Kuosipvp shadow and pve shadow!
20:09.49Kuosino need to keep holy offspec when i never heal
20:10.01Kuosiwould be bit easier to do daily random tho
20:10.02PrimerPneumatus: hehe our pally has all the frags and we've never gotten to General, much less Yogg!
20:10.06Primerhe never did get his mace
20:10.10Pneumatuswe had 2 maces
20:10.15Primerour guild sucks
20:10.21Primer1/4 in ICC last week :/
20:10.23Pneumatusalthough mine took twice as long to get as the first one
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20:10.47PrimerHi Repo!!
20:10.51PrimerGood to have you back!
20:11.50BalreignI don't know for you Gagorian but I miss the wow 1.9 :/
20:12.11FiskerYssaril
20:12.12Fiskeryou still fail
20:12.51Repo10head-count: 03JerryBlade * r104 / (5 files in 2 directories): HeadCount:
20:12.53Repo- Added kill trigger text for Lady Deathwhisper
20:12.59GagorianBalreign: Well that's when I enjoyed playing the most, after TBC I got bored at everything
20:13.05GagorianAnd then I quit
20:13.15GagorianWell, after TBC content was cleared
20:13.47Repo10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r200 EnsidiaFails.lua: version check special character fix for names thx vec2k4
20:14.13Balreigncleared but still too much of everything
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20:30.47HjalteThe bigwigs range check on saurfang is 15 yards for me. DBMs range check was 11 yards, which is much more useful.
20:31.43Shadowedarkanes: Combo points work fine, just double checked with aces high and your combo point settings
20:32.02arkanesShadowed: mysterious!
20:33.03arkanesMine work too though :\
20:33.08arkanesthat is to say, my code
20:33.48Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-7-g28692f2 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits]
20:33.50Repo28692f2: Renamed Unit status -> Enabled units
20:33.51Repoe582e96: Redid child units, will now use suffixes instead of the hack system, should fix all issues with MA/MT targets overlapping and other associated issues
20:33.54Repoe43acbf: No longer removing Set Focus for the raid menu (The one that pops up in the raid frames for MA/MT setting) to prevent taint issues
20:34.08arkanesflying out there now
20:34.34Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.3.2-3-g3070c35 InstanceMaps.lua: [+3 commits]
20:34.36Repo3070c35: Added Isle of Conquest to Battleground Maps
20:34.37Repo8e66e2d: Rewrote InstanceMaps dropdown integration to not rely on the remaining contents of the dropdown, so other addons can modify it as well.
20:34.39Repoef87a1e: Update InstanceMaps name of TotC to reflect the actual ingame names.
20:35.26FiskerNEVER
20:35.29FiskerI WILL NEVER SERVE YOU
20:37.37Pneumatusgod damn, couldnt test my dogtag patch again because I forgot to increment the revision to make it load :< zzz @ waiting for my next ICC run to see boss units
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20:40.58Repo10silver-dragon: 03Kemayo 07master * v2.3.2-5-g69aae61 Data (7 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
20:41.00Repo69aae61: Run dataminer. (At last, defaults without Vern!)
20:41.43Repoaed9673: Fix dataminer, and bump TOC
20:41.52Repo10democratic-ready-check: 03ghenningp * r57 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Toc update
20:41.54Repo- Changes for 3.3
20:47.40Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.3.2-4-g469b5b9 InstanceMaps.lua: [+1 commit] Fix InstanceMaps on non-english clients.
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20:49.52arkaneshow in the word do you dicard non-committed changes with git :\
20:50.26nevcairielgit reset
20:50.38nevcairielor for single files, git checkout
20:51.16arkanesah hah, you have to tell it --hard
20:51.44arkanesShadowed: you back from the netsplit?
20:51.55ShadowedI never got netsplit out
20:52.07arkanesit's all a matter of perspective :P
20:52.12ShadowedI'm not weak like nevcairiel!
20:52.24arkanesShadowed: your double checking simply does not work, period, for me
20:52.31Shadowedshrugs
20:52.33Yssarilnevcairiel: thanks for the instance maps fix :)
20:52.33ShadowedIt works for me
20:52.35arkanesShadowed: I just had an idea, let me test on another toon RQ
20:52.38Shadowedand you're the only one who seems to have issues :p
20:52.39Repo10mapster: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.3.2-5-g2f04981 InstanceMaps.lua: [+1 commit] Shuffle some hooks around to taint less.
20:52.45arkanesare you a rogue?
20:52.50ShadowedNope
20:53.09arkanesI'm wondering if being a CP based class "natively" might mess with GetComboPoints somehow
20:53.56nevcairielYssaril: i just forget stuff if it isnt ticketed :d
20:55.50Repo10big-wigs: 03Ammo * r6880 Plugins/Bars.lua: make superemp module silent conditional
20:56.18arkanessadly googling for GetComboPoints returns a ton of faceroller macros from the 1.x days
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21:01.48arkaneshmm, no, doesn't work on my pally either
21:03.09arkanesShadowed: it's not working, because ShadowedUF.playerUnit is "player" even with vehicle swapping on
21:03.20arkanesany idea where that might be getting messed up?
21:04.07Primerhrmm, I just recently started playing a feral DPS druid (leveling) and I have a need for a separate energy bar and combo points counter. Any suggestions? Or can quartz do this?
21:04.19nevcairielvehicle combo points, always fun for the whole family
21:04.27nevcairieli did some funny hack in my oUF layout to get it working :d
21:05.03PrimerI've been relying on Dominos + Faded buttons to indicate lack of energy for the move, and DrDamage's estimate of damage for CP, in the same Dominos buttons
21:05.08arkanesGetComboPoints(UnitHasVehicleUI("player") and "vehicle" or "player") works fine for me
21:05.16Yssarilnevcairiel: i make tickets on my own projects so i don't forget :P
21:05.24arkanesshadowed is trying to do something more clever :\
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21:08.42arkanesalso someday I need to figure out how to hack temporary enchants to show the spell tooltip instead of the weapon tooltip
21:09.47NeoTronspeaking of vehicles, anyone know where the health bars for the gunship battle is? I mean are they part of the vehicle UI that I don't see because I use bartender?
21:09.57NeoTronbecause I don't see any health bars but people claim they exist
21:09.58Gagorianarkanes: Oh, that's not easy :D
21:10.11arkanesNeoTron: they're a special "boss frame"
21:10.35arkanesif you have a unit frame mod without explicit support thats probably why you don't see them
21:11.34Pneumatusthey arent part of the vehicle ui at all
21:11.52Pneumatusthey are a special kind of target frame
21:11.53SilowyiNeoTron: they are part of the unit frames. It actually shows up as a default frame if you're using xperl or pitbull, as in, they don't touch those frames at all...
21:12.20Silowyibut they show up on the right hand side anchored to the minimap just like the quest objectives text so if you have any mods over there, it's probably covered up
21:12.27PneumatusBoss[1..4]TargetFrame
21:12.38NeoTronso xperl probably doesn't show them
21:12.44NeoTronor I don't have them enabled if it supports them
21:13.05NeoTronmy minimap is sexymap and is at the bottom of the page
21:13.13SilowyiNo, X-Perl didn't show them, but when I was using X-Perl they still showed up, just as default skinned and in the default anchor position
21:13.29Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r6881 Citadel/Saurfang.lua:
21:13.31RepoCitadel/Saurfang: Shave about 3 seconds off the first adds bar.
21:13.33ShadowedSUF, STUF and oUf are the only custom ones that support vehicle units as far as I know
21:13.36Silowyiyeah Neotron, so the boss stuff is probably showing up under that, outside of the page.
21:13.44Shadowederr boss
21:13.56Pneumatussimpleunitframes will do as soon as i patch dogtags :)
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21:17.29Silowyion that note, has anyone published anything that works for moving the damn objectives frame? I don't need it to do anything else, just let me move that frame.
21:18.04SilowyiIf not that will probably be my free time project today :P
21:18.29Silowyido you think blizzard would sensor the name "Move That Damn Objectives Frame"?
21:18.30Repo10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r163 SimpleMD.lua:
21:18.32Repo-fix the cooldown bar not switching when MD is canceled, instead of used (this fix not tested in a group setting, could still be broken)
21:18.33Repo-fix a potential error with readiness wiping all the timers, instead of the 4 it should
21:18.34Silowyicensor*
21:20.05arkanesShadowed: the code in your wowace git repo is the latest, right?
21:20.44Shadowedyes
21:21.04arkanesah hah, the code I'm running doesn't have some changes in unit.lua
21:21.24arkaneswhat does git call svn blame?
21:21.47arkanessuppose it doesn't matter
21:21.57arkanesI was looking for changes in aura.lua and combopoints.lua
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21:22.32GhostfromTexasanyone know of a good addon that tells you what party/raid members are in the instance, and the ones that arent?
21:23.13arkanesora3 has a zone check that does that
21:24.52RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/tbobdkp/. TBOBDKP. Stlke (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
21:25.01RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/perfectraid-roleicons/. PerfectRaid: Role Icons. ethancentaurai (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal.
21:26.27orionshockTorhal_: shouldn't tbobdkp be moved to CF?
21:28.44Repo10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r164 SMD_Timers.lua: -tweak the OnUpdate script slightly
21:30.06Torhal_orionshock: ?
21:30.44Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-10-g10d76d4 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits]
21:30.46Repo10d76d4: Updated option restrictions to look at the modules class restriction rather instead of hardcoding it all in
21:30.47Repoe7d69c3: Updated totem bar to also track guardian pet timers for Death Knights, this is labeled as the "Enable guardian bar" next to the rune bar option in /shadowuf
21:30.49Repo283d3c2: Changed incoming heal module, if it doesn't find LHC4 it will silently disable itself, can just delete LibHealComm-4.0/ if you really don't want it
21:31.29orionshockTorhal: i thought we don't do guild specific addons anymore on wowace, that all that "This is for some random guild somewhere" addons where moved to CF
21:32.13TorhalWe don't, but this says it's for the system used by his guild. Doesn't say it's guild specific, just "This is what we use".
21:32.21TorhalOthers are free to use it.
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21:32.46TorhalAnd I don't even approve guild-specific shit on CF
21:32.53TorhalI let Ackis do that, or it can sit in the queue.
21:33.12TorhalIf a guild wants their personal AddOns on the Internet, they need to provide hosting themselves.
21:34.44ArrowmasterTorhal approves anything in the experimental queue
21:35.29TorhalIf it's an established author, or the project has files and isn't hard-embedding, I'll probably approve it non-experimental.
21:35.35TorhalSometimes, I don't.
21:36.58Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-11-ge31b1f8 modules (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Changed the custom tag events system to a generic handler so I can write more complex tags as separate addons
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21:43.15Repo-remove some nested tables
21:43.57TorhalArrowmaster: BTW, did you see that Doctor Who: Dreamland>
21:43.59Torhal?
21:44.12Arrowmasteri have it sitting in my download folder but havent watched it yet
21:44.24Repo10loremstr (experimental): 03Scisto * r35 / (3 files in 2 directories): Check in
21:44.53TorhalNeither have I. Almost scared to,
21:45.12Arrowmasteroh wait dreamland?
21:45.13Arrowmasteryeah ive seen that one
21:45.29ArrowmasterDoctor.Who.The.Curse.Of.Fenric.Special.Edition.CGI.DVDRip.XviD
21:45.33ckknightwhen receiving a comm message from someone on another server, how does the target param look like?
21:45.34Arrowmasteris the one i havent watched yet
21:45.54ckknightis it fed back to you as "Character-Server"?
21:45.54Arrowmasteryes
21:45.55ckknightTorhal: I did, was not impressed.
21:46.11Arrowmasterwhy are you asking? you dont code addons anymore?
21:46.11ckknightArrowmaster: sure do
21:46.11Arrowmasterlies
21:46.21ckknight...no
21:46.27Arrowmasterwhat are you going to create and abandon now?
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21:46.54Hirsute>.>
21:47.04Torhallol
21:47.04ckknightArrowmaster: something that Curse is paying me for
21:47.08Arrowmastercurse profiler?
21:47.18YssarilTorhal: is that his years X-Mas Docor Who episode?
21:47.34ckknightno, Arrowmaster
21:47.40ckknightI can't reveal what it is currently
21:47.46Pneumatusso, when's cf/wowace gonna get a half decent subscription system then :<
21:47.53ckknightPneumatus: no fucking idea.
21:48.05ArrowmasterYssaril: The End of Time (1)
21:48.07Arrowmasterhttp://www.tvrage.com/DoctorWho_2005
21:48.23Yssarilckknight: correct answer should have been "soon" :P
21:48.48ckknightno, Yssaril
21:48.55ckknightsoon would imply that curseforge has an active developer
21:49.21Arrowmasterseriously what the hell DO they pay you for?
21:49.31ckknightI'm working on a secret project that has nothing to do with curseforge
21:49.52Arrowmasterits your standard pattern all over again even when you are getting paid for it
21:50.04ckknightno, I requested to at least stay on curseforge for one day a week
21:50.06ckknightand was shot down
21:50.06Arrowmastercreate something cool, hype it, abandon it
21:50.18ckknightif you want to complain about it, talk to netcurse
21:50.33ckknightthis was completely out of my control
21:51.25TorhalYssaril: No, it's a computer-animation
21:51.38Yssarilahhh cool
21:51.45Arrowmasteroh Jan/01/2010 is The End of Time (2) with the 11th Doctor
21:52.55Groktari'm sad about that
21:52.59Groktartennant rocks :(
21:53.05ckknightsuch is life
21:53.10ckknightthe doctor must regenerate
21:53.26Groktarnew guy couldn't be pastier if he tried
21:54.01Arrowmasteri was sad when tennant took over for eccleston but then tennant turned out to be a great doctor too
21:54.33Groktarye
21:56.45Arrowmasterim always happy to see eccleston in a movie, wonder if tennant will be doing any movies now that hes not the doctor anymore
21:57.18ckknightTennant is more active in live theater now, also, he has a bad back, which is the main reason behind this season being a series of big shows rather than a real season.
22:01.35genetik-yeah, i'm sad about tennant not continuing also
22:02.31Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-13-gbc3c0d5 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
22:02.33Repobc3c0d5: Zone checks will be queued if the player is in combat, removes the last taint issues if logging in while in combat
22:02.34Repof2a9731: Removed delayed loading, everything is loaded as soon as ADDON_LOADED for SUF fires, reduces taint issues when logging in-combat
22:03.46Repo10simple-md: 03Starinnia 043.1.1 beta5 * r166 : Tag as 3.1.1 beta5
22:05.19Antiarchttp://gizmodo.com/5427058/
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22:07.44GnarfozNeoTron: should I commit the missing two lines to enUS.lua?
22:08.01GnarfozNeoTron: i.e. the "base locale file" that's supposedly auto-generated by your babelfish script ;-)
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22:10.07GagorianIt's not generated if you don't run it :P
22:10.39Gnarfozobviously, but I'd suppose it should be run by he who adds new localizable strings ;)
22:11.08Gnarfoz(this also reminds me to re-install Lua on this box some day :O)
22:12.23Arrowmasterckknight: so on january first i should be able to redeem my 10000 points right?
22:12.38ckknight12000
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22:12.53ckknightin any event, you can redeem em all now, you just gotta send in paperwork
22:13.18Repo10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r167 SMD_Timers.lua:
22:13.18Arrowmasteryeah but ive already redeemed 20000 this year
22:13.36ckknightyou can't redeem more?
22:13.36Arrowmasterif i do it next year that 20000 still goes tax free
22:13.36ckknightokay
22:13.36ckknighttrue
22:13.36ckknight*thumbs up*
22:14.03Arrowmasteryou bastards better not rat me out
22:14.37Arrowmasteralthough you shouldnt be able to since i wont send in paper work until ive got another 10000 points to redeem
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22:20.52GnarfozI'm curious, I already have to fill out a W8BEN form anyway for an investement fond (more like: burn my money fond) that is U.S. based, however I have to do that regardless of how much (or how little) interest I earn
22:22.31sylvanaarit differs for income earned from investments - since you do no work
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22:29.14Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 * r2468 Core/WishList.lua:
22:29.16Repo- Add 2 new functions (AtlasLoot_GetWishLists and AtlasLoot_CheckWishlistItem)
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22:35.54GFThmm ora3 requires other people to have it for zone checks.. there isn't one that can just tell you if  your players are int eh instance or not/.
22:35.55GFT?
22:36.26Adremmauh, the last I saw, zone checks worked fine without everyone having it
22:36.28genetik-zone check shouldn't require other people to have it, i don't think
22:36.33Adremmait's the other checks that do
22:36.48GFTora3 just says "unknown" even if they are in teh same instance
22:36.59GFTi think it requires everyone to have it
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22:37.35DaemonaGFT definitly no
22:37.37Fiskerfffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu
22:37.47DaemonaHigh Fisker want a cookie `?
22:37.58Fiskerhigh Fisker?
22:38.43Fiskeranyways this sucks
22:39.05Fiskerapparrently you could Repentance mobs and use Hand of Reckoning indefinitely to kill them
22:39.13FiskerBut it's hotfixed now
22:39.16Fiskerno battered hilt for me :(
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22:41.17Repo10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * f96fe4c / (5 files in 3 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
22:41.18Repof96fe4c: you can now toggle the 3D skull and the bossframes will update as soon as you change a setting
22:41.20Repo5e046d9: only update our frames if mapID or level have changed
22:41.20Repo0b1bf37: added ability to resize the bossframes and its text
22:41.22Repo2560bb4: fixed a small bug in the EquipLocFilter
22:42.08GFTso you are saying ora3 zone checks will work? seems odd that mine didn
22:42.37arkanesheh
22:42.47arkanesusing the pet as a 3d skull icon is an awesome idea
22:44.26Yssarilarkanes: pain in the ass to implement though
22:45.19arkanesI am downloading furiously, even as we speek
22:46.36Yssarilwhat YssBossLoot? its still in alpha (as such i reserve the right to break things :P)
22:47.39arkanesI just want the cool 3d skull :P
22:48.32Yssarilarkanes: fyi you can only enable it if you have the pet
22:49.10arkanesYssaril: yeah I nkow
22:49.22arkanesbut 40g is a small price to pay!
22:50.05Yssariltrue :)
22:51.20Fiskeryou still fail Yssaril !
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23:00.11kandarzWow, so I can't post the same text as a comment on two different tickets at about the same time? Silly Curse
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23:51.31Repo10little-wigs: 03ulic * r708 / (103 files in 19 directories): Switch to handle locales the same way BW modules do
23:53.18GnarfozShadowed: QA is undercutting my own auctions. :O
23:53.26Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-16-g01df2ab / (2 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits]
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