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| 00:02.32 | mabbdoom | im looking for some help importing the database into gathermate |
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| 00:05.44 | xenoclaws | hello |
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| 00:14.19 | Repo | 10unlimitedchatmessage: 03Cyprias * r2 / (15 files in 2 directories): First commit |
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| 00:36.48 | Morte | Hello guys i wanted know if is a way to tell like icecrown is ID 71? |
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| 00:38.03 | Axodious | so everytime i load/reloadui pb4 gives me 2 unknown spell id errors |
| 00:38.04 | Axodious | any lcue? |
| 00:38.07 | Axodious | lcue = clue |
| 00:38.39 | Megalon | Morte: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSavedInstanceInfo |
| 00:39.19 | Froststalker | anyone know why I'm getting a high number of errors nonstop when I open config for omen? |
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| 00:41.06 | Froststalker | anyone here? |
| 00:41.44 | Axodious | no |
| 00:41.54 | Morte | where would it output too megalon |
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| 00:42.29 | Froststalker | :( |
| 00:43.50 | Froststalker | so much for figuring out why omen is causing all these errors |
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| 00:44.57 | Primer | it's probably not omen |
| 00:45.33 | Primer | start by exiting wow, moving the SavedVariables/Omen.lua file out of the way, starting it |
| 00:45.54 | Froststalker | its in a fresh ui build |
| 00:46.00 | Primer | so? |
| 00:46.06 | Primer | your saved variables are not fresh |
| 00:46.07 | Froststalker | i had no wtf or interface |
| 00:46.13 | Froststalker | yes they are |
| 00:46.27 | Primer | ok, then make sure you're running the latest one? |
| 00:46.32 | Axodious | disable all your addons except omen, if it works like that enable the one by one until it erorr |
| 00:46.34 | Axodious | errors* |
| 00:46.35 | Primer | I get zero errors from omen |
| 00:46.40 | Axodious | ^ |
| 00:46.43 | Froststalker | I copied wow then deleted all addons and the wtf folder |
| 00:47.17 | Froststalker | it only happens when I open config and there is 1 error every second |
| 00:47.51 | Froststalker | and I'm on 3.0.8 |
| 00:47.53 | Axodious | then you're most likely either using a) a really old version or b) an alpha that doesn't work correctly |
| 00:48.02 | Primer | opens /omen config |
| 00:48.06 | Primer | seems fine |
| 00:48.23 | Primer | v3.0.8 here too |
| 00:48.26 | Axodious | same x2 |
| 00:48.47 | Froststalker | if i open omen's config I'll start getting 1 error every second |
| 00:48.59 | Froststalker | and the same error |
| 00:49.36 | Primer | perhaps pastebin the error? |
| 00:50.36 | Froststalker | one sec |
| 00:51.57 | Froststalker | http://paste.wowace.com/1574/ |
| 00:52.39 | Axodious | looks like prat to me |
| 00:52.54 | Axodious | in other words you didn't disable all your addons |
| 00:54.12 | Froststalker | happens even without prat running |
| 00:54.48 | Axodious | disable all your addons except omen and pastebin the error |
| 00:55.37 | Froststalker | wtf no error |
| 00:56.36 | Primer | does lua have condition ? true : false ? |
| 00:56.50 | Primer | does lua have "condition ? true : false" ? that is |
| 00:57.06 | profalbert | not really |
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| 00:57.20 | Primer | http://lua-users.org/wiki/TernaryOperator |
| 00:57.31 | profalbert | just condition and foo() or bar() |
| 00:57.40 | Primer | ok |
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| 01:01.21 | Repo | 10cowtip_luatext: 03profalbert 07master * v0.4-beta-3-g41ab8ca / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 01:01.38 | Repo | 41ab8ca: bump toc |
| 01:01.39 | Repo | 444c638: fix tooltip for *target-Unitframes (e.g. targettarget) |
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| 01:13.01 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r155 Modules (3 files in 1 directory): MorgDKP2 |
| 01:13.03 | Repo | -dkp/time and waitlist dkp award are now combined into 1 event if they are the same value |
| 01:13.04 | Repo | -make sure sync isn't sent if not raided |
| 01:15.05 | Morte | How can I do like GetMapID of say icecrown so that i can see it's 71? |
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| 01:25.13 | xenoclaws | could someone who knows about lua and wow pm me? |
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| 01:27.59 | Repo | 10nanotalk: 03Torhal * r30 nanoTalk.lua: |
| 01:28.01 | Repo | Replaced HideTooltip() and DataObj.OnLeave() with a call to tooltip:SetAutoHideDelay() in ShowTooltip(). Fixes ticket #2. |
| 01:28.22 | Repo | 10nanotalk: 03Torhal 043.3.0-1.6.2 * r31 : Tagging as 3.3.0-1.6.2 |
| 01:44.55 | Repo | 10sexygroup (experimental): 03Shadowed 07master * 56ebfaa / (9 files in 2 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 01:45.35 | Repo | 56ebfaa: Added actual gem info to the users panel, checks spec as well as if all gem slots are socketed |
| 01:45.37 | Repo | 23cb1a6: Moved the metatable cache tables to SexyGroup.lua as they aren't really data tables |
| 01:45.39 | Repo | 65b108e: Moved to using the namespace table Blizzard provides |
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| 02:15.39 | Primer | ugh, I need macros to shapeshift |
| 02:16.01 | Primer | tired of either hitting it too many times and shifting in and out, or just hitting it once and not shifting at all |
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| 02:22.19 | Primer | Can shapeshifting be purged or dispelled somehow? |
| 02:23.48 | quiescens | no |
| 02:24.40 | Primer | then it must be a consequence of playing on my laptop while controling it via x2vnc |
| 02:25.13 | Primer | I don't get what the ! does in macros |
| 02:25.51 | quiescens | it casts the shapeshift even if you're already in that form |
| 02:25.53 | Primer | I want to make a macro that I can hit over and over and have it only switch me INTO forms |
| 02:26.38 | ckknight_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.40 | ckknight_ | or whatever |
| 02:26.44 | Primer | yeah |
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| 02:28.49 | Primer | just can't find the right combination |
| 02:29.30 | quiescens | /cast [nostance:1] bear form |
| 02:29.33 | Primer | like, I want a key that'll always transform me to cat for if I'm in any other stance or nostance at all, but NOT transform me out of cat if I'm in cast |
| 02:29.36 | Primer | yeah, that didn't work |
| 02:29.54 | quiescens | what does it do? |
| 02:29.56 | Primer | nothing |
| 02:30.05 | Primer | I'm in cat form right now, and typed that |
| 02:30.08 | Primer | it does nothing |
| 02:30.10 | quiescens | well, dire bear form presumably |
| 02:30.21 | Primer | ahhhh indeed |
| 02:30.33 | quiescens | stabs primer with a pillow. |
| 02:30.54 | Primer | there we go |
| 02:30.55 | Primer | thanks |
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| 02:31.22 | Primer | now I just need to hide the class bar and replace it with a normal bar with macros |
| 02:32.08 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth 04244 release * r244 : Tagging as 244 release |
| 02:33.02 | Primer | sigh...except all my bars are in use |
| 02:36.04 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth 04793 release * r794 : Tagging as 793 release |
| 02:40.04 | Primer | heh, now I need a macro to exit the form |
| 02:42.34 | Primer | there we go |
| 02:42.43 | quiescens | /cancelform ? |
| 02:44.15 | Primer | I was not aware of that |
| 02:44.25 | Primer | I accomplished it in another manner, but that'll work |
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| 02:55.08 | silentium | ~seen zeksie |
| 02:55.11 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7d 3h 26m 44s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'. |
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| 03:29.27 | Repo | 10saved_instances: 03jokeyrhyme * r108 / (6 files in 1 directory): Added tag v3-beta for changeset c074273f2bde (Message trimmed by 16 lines) |
| 03:29.29 | Repo | - many minor optimizations |
| 03:29.30 | Repo | - change to 3.3 features |
| 03:29.31 | Repo | - Dungeon Finder data is harvested for profit |
| 03:29.32 | Repo | - Category and Instance ordering is now simpler |
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| 05:11.56 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 07master * beta4 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
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| 05:12.03 | Repo | 10travelagent: 03Torhal 04beta4 * d86fe4a /: [new tag] Tagging as beta4 |
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| 05:35.41 | Repo | 10saved_instances: 03jokeyrhyme * r110 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added tag v3-beta2 for changeset b776532560d8 |
| 05:35.43 | Repo | - disable some debug messages |
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| 06:15.29 | Axodious | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-pictures-cat-has-killed-feather.jpg |
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| 06:48.42 | Repo | 30fa595: Time for another round of default tweaking: |
| 06:48.43 | Repo | 89394b2: Fixed another bug related to zone children not being loaded until UI reload |
| 06:48.45 | Repo | 54ecb23: Bit of a silly hack, but updating movers twice when enabling units to make sure child units are properly enabled |
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| 06:57.36 | Repo | 10shadoweduf-trinkets: 03Shadowed 04v1 * 2e27f18 /: [new tag] Tagging as release 1 |
| 06:58.55 | Repo | 10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm * r83 MorgBid2.lua: MorgBid2 |
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| 07:06.11 | Xuerian | Antiarc: What's this SexyGroup thang <.< |
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| 07:07.31 | pompy1 | @describe sexygroup |
| 07:07.36 | Repo | pompy1: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexygroup/. SexyGroup. Know how sexy your group is. |
| 07:08.45 | Xuerian | hands pompy1 a official CptObvious(tm) badge. |
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| 08:19.24 | kandarz | Is it possible to set a compare tooltip that you don't have equipped. For instance comparing two items you'd like to have but don't yet. |
| 08:27.50 | Polarina | kandarz: I think you can, I don't know how. |
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| 08:35.49 | Repo | 10castyeller2: 03Adirelle * r85 modules/Sink_Whisper.lua: |
| 08:35.49 | Repo | Hopefully fixed "not playing" error when whispering to players of other realms. |
| 08:38.41 | SunTsu | kandarz: yes, it is, Outfitter does that for all outfits you dafined |
| 08:38.46 | SunTsu | or defined |
| 08:39.07 | kandarz | Thanks, I'll go root around in outfitter code |
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| 08:55.04 | Repo | 10broker_money: 03smb * r23 / (2 files in 1 directory): - added AceEvent-3.0 |
| 08:55.34 | Repo | 10broker_money: 03smb 04v1.39 * r24 : Tagging as v1.39 |
| 08:55.35 | Wobin | kandarz, make sure you wear protection! |
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| 09:00.41 | kandarz | Wobin: it is kind of a mess in here, thanks for the tip (I can't find how it does it since I've never used outfitter) |
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| 09:05.10 | yoshimo_ | kandarz, it would be great if there was another db.update for EQ ;) |
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| 09:10.18 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r130 updater/CreateZoneMenu.php: Update Zone menu creation for localized zone menu |
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| 09:23.57 | kandarz | nevcairiel, Ackis: LibBabbleZone: Add "Dalaran Crater" |
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| 09:33.54 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r131 / (10 files in 10 directories): Data Update |
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| 09:40.29 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r132 zonemenu.lua: Fix localization |
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| 09:44.34 | KriLL3 | kandarz: EQ still throws errors for me on a lot of quests that don't appear in the combat log |
| 09:45.51 | kandarz | Lua errors, or EQ database errors |
| 09:46.07 | KriLL3 | the kind that appears in buggrabber/bugsack |
| 09:46.17 | kandarz | those are Lua errors |
| 09:46.33 | kandarz | which I can fix most likely |
| 09:46.41 | KriLL3 | http://pastebin.com/m2b7d59d paste of one |
| 09:46.41 | kandarz | post them to the bug tracker |
| 09:47.06 | kandarz | That's not mine, that's Quest Guru fucking up |
| 09:47.07 | KriLL3 | hmm wrong one, sorry |
| 09:47.53 | KriLL3 | yeah, as said wrong one |
| 09:48.21 | KriLL3 | http://pastebin.com/m1b3d5c05 is that SoCD messing with EQ? |
| 09:49.05 | kandarz | which version are you using |
| 09:49.13 | KriLL3 | latest from client |
| 09:49.23 | kandarz | so r126? |
| 09:49.24 | KriLL3 | set it to alpha releases |
| 09:50.14 | KriLL3 | sec, client opening |
| 09:50.16 | KriLL3 | takes a while |
| 09:50.29 | stolenlegacy | iirc cc can't D/L alphas yet since they aren't synced to curse |
| 09:50.40 | KriLL3 | r132 |
| 09:51.35 | KriLL3 | stolenlegacy: I switched from beta to alpha and the client listed a bunch of updates that it downloaded |
| 09:51.51 | stolenlegacy | KriLL3: well, I myself found it...unreliable |
| 09:52.02 | stolenlegacy | i prefer to tell my alpha testers to get the files from wowace directly |
| 09:52.20 | KriLL3 | major hassle though |
| 09:52.28 | kandarz | stolenlegacy: if KriLL3 is using r132 of EQ, which was just posted right before you joined |
| 09:52.51 | kandarz | is that the only error KriLL3? |
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| 09:53.17 | KriLL3 | only semi recent one, but it's 2 days old, dunno exactly which version I used then |
| 09:53.40 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r133 Core.lua: I thought I fixed the uid = nil for adding unknowns. |
| 09:53.47 | KriLL3 | I turn EQ off most of the time |
| 09:54.14 | kandarz | I don't quest anymore, so I never use it |
| 09:54.32 | KriLL3 | I only use it when I get into the mood to complete quest achievements |
| 09:54.46 | KriLL3 | I just turned it on and we'll see if I get any more bugs |
| 09:58.08 | KriLL3 | just turned in a bunch of dailies with SoCD, no bugs so far |
| 09:59.44 | Polarina | I hate EveryQuest. |
| 09:59.57 | kandarz | Polarina: that's harsh |
| 10:00.08 | Polarina | I truly do hate it. |
| 10:00.12 | kandarz | why |
| 10:00.28 | Polarina | Because it's horrid on large UI scales. |
| 10:00.46 | kandarz | that's the only reason? |
| 10:00.54 | Polarina | Especially when used with LightHeaded. |
| 10:01.03 | Polarina | The ONLY way to get some info about a quest. |
| 10:01.06 | Polarina | Useless. |
| 10:01.41 | kandarz | So you'd rather just complain about it, then actually doing something, like put in a feature request |
| 10:02.12 | Polarina | It has potential use, but not significant enough for me to bother with that. |
| 10:02.13 | Polarina | Sorry. |
| 10:02.23 | kandarz | So why complain at all? |
| 10:02.37 | Polarina | The topic was brought up. |
| 10:02.46 | Polarina | And I got nothing better to do. |
| 10:03.35 | kandarz | The topic was KriLL3 telling me about an error, and me trying to fix it for him. Not him just complaining that it doesn't work. |
| 10:03.47 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 10:04.17 | Fisker | hey KriLL3 |
| 10:04.18 | Fisker | i fu'd |
| 10:04.26 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 10:16.14 | asmodai | kandarz: It does for me what I need to know, which quests I haven't done yet. ^^ |
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| 10:19.43 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03stolenlegacy * r705 sRaidFrames.lua: Fixed ready check |
| 10:20.55 | stolenlegacy | finally |
| 10:21.14 | stolenlegacy | blizz apparently now passes full unitids instead of only the integer raid index of confirming players |
| 10:22.47 | Fisker | i'm on a boat stolenlegacy |
| 10:23.20 | stolenlegacy | Fisker: the failboat? |
| 10:23.39 | Fisker | the winboat |
| 10:23.43 | stolenlegacy | no |
| 10:23.56 | stolenlegacy | you ain't got any fresh cum from the argent tournament daily |
| 10:24.01 | stolenlegacy | which spawns a shark in any swimmable water |
| 10:24.03 | Repo | 10loot-council (experimental): 03kandarz * r7 / (4 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 10:24.05 | Repo | Add DBIcon, /lootcouncil slash command |
| 10:24.06 | Repo | Fix unknown items not showing their names |
| 10:24.08 | Repo | Add compare tooltips to messages |
| 10:24.09 | Repo | Disable finish voting during link phase |
| 10:24.15 | dieck | stolenlegacy: Failboat? http://www.mega-merchandise.de/gin-titonic-eiswuerfel |
| 10:24.50 | Fisker | not sure if want sot |
| 10:25.36 | Fisker | stolenlegacy :o |
| 10:25.41 | Fisker | stupid gaems |
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| 10:28.12 | stolenlegacy | l2 autocomplete |
| 10:31.54 | KriLL3 | something is summoning my [Ghostly Skull] pet first time I open the map in a battleground... |
| 10:32.08 | KriLL3 | every battleground |
| 10:32.28 | KriLL3 | even dismounts me to bring it up |
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| 10:37.36 | yoshimo_ | KriLL3, yssmaps for instances? i think one of his addons uses the pet to create rotating skull icon |
| 10:37.47 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 10:38.01 | KriLL3 | I got yssbossloot |
| 10:42.53 | Hid | Shadowed, I don't know if you remember the code from the SUF_QuickHealth addon I wrote, but I got a problem that's turning out to be really REALLY hard to track down. The hp of random units can sometimes freeze, and no longer update. (has happened 3 times so far in over 10 hours of playing) |
| 10:44.12 | Hid | Shadowed, Other addons still keep reporting the right hp (even grid with quickhealth enabled), so it must be my code that's causing it, and not lqh. |
| 10:44.44 | Hid | Shadowed, Any ideas off the top of your head? |
| 10:45.53 | Repo | 10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak 04v1.2.12 Release * r76 : |
| 10:45.55 | Grum | dont use quickhealth? |
| 10:45.55 | Repo | Tagging as v1.2.12 Release. Repacking with updated ruRU localization. Many thanks go to Zuz666! |
| 10:45.55 | Repo | It should support Male and Female versions of Trainer types; please report, if some trainer is not detected properly. |
| 10:45.59 | Grum | its utterly pointless |
| 10:46.09 | Hid | Shadowed, the power bar and all other status indicators etc still work fine, so it's limited to the healthBar module. The problem is also per-target, ie, if I swap to another target the hp shows correctly, but even if I /focus the "bugged" unit, even the focusbar is frozen |
| 10:46.26 | Hid | Grum, It's very much not pointless, it's 200-300ms faster than frequentUpdates. |
| 10:46.39 | Grum | yes, and how will that change your healing? |
| 10:46.52 | Grum | the server decides the order of your heals :) |
| 10:46.54 | Hid | And as I stated, the problem isn't with lqh, it's with my SUF_QuickHealth addon. |
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| 10:47.15 | Hid | Grum, Being able to react 300ms faster is a huge deal, if you can't see that, I don't know what else to say. |
| 10:47.31 | Grum | you dont actually react 300ms faster :) |
| 10:47.41 | Fisker | you wouldn't Grum |
| 10:47.41 | Hid | Yes, you do. |
| 10:47.55 | Hid | Being able to see something 300 faster = being able to react 300ms faster |
| 10:48.03 | Fisker | btw KriLL3 you can deactivate it if you didn't know |
| 10:48.13 | Hid | 300ms* |
| 10:48.37 | Grum | Hid: if you are a reactive healer you are bad by default :) |
| 10:48.52 | Hid | There's just so many things wrong with that statement. |
| 10:48.55 | yoshimo_ | why is it possible to whisper crossrealm in a bg, but not in a 5man instance? |
| 10:50.24 | Hid | Grum, Can you honestly say that you don't notice a difference between playing with 50ms or 350ms latency? (which is basically the same thing, when talking purely about the healing aspect) |
| 10:50.32 | KriLL3 | Fisker: the addon? yes I did that |
| 10:51.02 | Grum | Hid: if you dont notice that there is something wrong :) |
| 10:51.17 | Grum | but then again, if you are not always casting as a healer there is something wrong as well |
| 10:51.21 | Hid | Also, I can agree that for pve lqh isn't a huge deal compared to frequentupdates, but in high rated arenas it makes a pretty big difference. |
| 10:51.47 | Grum | and yeah on that i will indeed agree, arena will make this work usefully |
| 10:52.01 | Hid | Although I would personally never play without it even in pve, I just don't see a reason to turn down a 200-300ms faster updating unitframe |
| 10:52.29 | Wobin | If you honestly believe that playing at 400ms is no different than playing at 50ms, you need to move to Australia |
| 10:52.35 | Hid | :D |
| 10:52.51 | Wobin | We'll abuse you of that notion, one second slower than everyone else =P |
| 10:53.34 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Sayclub * r795 Locale-koKR.lua: koKR update |
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| 10:55.48 | yoshimo_ | intresting that lqh still works, it has been quite some time since its creation |
| 10:56.35 | Hid | Yea :) |
| 10:57.26 | Hid | It kinda died off after the maintainer dissapeared and everyone started to think (incorrectly) that lqh is now obsolete because of the addition of frequentupdates |
| 10:57.58 | Grum | its really funny how people think addons are really 'outdated and broken' if the TOC doesnt change each stupid patch |
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| 10:58.26 | Hid | Hehe yeah |
| 10:58.30 | Shefki | lqh does have issues. It reports incorrect health quite regularly. |
| 10:58.43 | Shefki | Both Shadowed and myself have tested it and seen the issues. |
| 10:58.48 | Hid | +/- 3% from my experience |
| 10:58.55 | yoshimo_ | grum, most of the time you dont need to update, if you check "load outdated addons" or whatever its called |
| 10:58.57 | Hid | experience/testing, that is |
| 10:59.02 | Grum | yoshimo_: i know |
| 10:59.05 | Grum | now teach our users that |
| 10:59.18 | Grum | i'm getting quite fed up with the 'OMG IT IS NOT WORKING' posts |
| 10:59.25 | yoshimo_ | grum, i tried to teach them regular updates, i gave up |
| 10:59.28 | Grum | eventhough the addon is working flawlessly for the last 10 months |
| 10:59.51 | Hid | And that's something I can live with, since I'm not so much interested in the EXACT hp of people, more interested in being able to react fast to that hp bar starting to move |
| 11:00.16 | Grum | Hid: i guess it depends if the value fixes itself again and 'how wrong it is' |
| 11:00.24 | yoshimo_ | "omg its broken" "yes, because your last update was 5 months ago" |
| 11:00.37 | Grum | yoshimo_: yup .. i hate that crap |
| 11:00.38 | Shefki | I really don't think it's faster enough to justify the inaccuracies. |
| 11:00.52 | Hid | Yeah, it "fixes" itself for the next update that lqh gets from UNIT_HEALTH |
| 11:01.06 | Grum | so it fixed itself every 200-300ms? |
| 11:01.11 | Shefki | 300ms |
| 11:01.15 | Grum | so 3-5x per second? |
| 11:01.33 | Grum | and how much 'of' can it be? :) |
| 11:01.56 | Shefki | Pretty drastically to be honest. Since combat log events aren't necessarily in order. |
| 11:02.13 | Grum | oh man that sucks for tankhealing |
| 11:02.21 | Hid | Well I haven't done any in-depth tests (since I found it pointless after I noticed it only being about +/- 3% at the worst case in the few tests I did) |
| 11:02.27 | Shefki | Which is why it can actually show negative health. |
| 11:03.34 | Hid | The problem you're describing happens when someone takes a huge heal that tops them off in between UNIT_HEALTH ticks, while lqh "thinks" that the tank was already at 100% hp when that big heal landed |
| 11:04.02 | Hid | Which really only is a problem in pve, and even then it's almost impossible to notice. |
| 11:04.19 | Shefki | Why would you ever care about LQH in PVP? |
| 11:04.40 | Hid | And oh ye, even if you do notice it, not like you can do anything about it, or do anything different if it didn't do it (other than cancel an incoming heal, I guess) |
| 11:04.44 | Shefki | In arena you can see what's going on there's only a couple of you. |
| 11:05.10 | Hid | Yes, you can see what's going on, but you can't SEE crits other than in how the hp bar moves |
| 11:05.27 | Hid | Being able to react and throw out a big instant heal 300ms faster when needed is a huge deal |
| 11:05.54 | Shefki | Saying that it speeds you up by 300ms is a huge exageration. |
| 11:05.57 | Grum | what is the current TOC? 33000? |
| 11:06.03 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 11:06.04 | Hid | And I really don't wanna argue this, because I find it quite pointless. Someone saying that getting 200-300ms faster health updates in arenas is useless simply don't know what they're talking about |
| 11:06.09 | Shefki | 300ms is the absolute worst case. |
| 11:06.30 | Hid | Actually, I say 200-300ms, and that seems to be about the average. Sometimes it can be way higher. |
| 11:06.43 | Repo | 10routes: 03grum 07master * v1.2.7-2-g6c9cf92 Routes.toc: [+1 commit] I'm too stupid to click 'load out of date addons'-TOC fix |
| 11:06.48 | Hid | Shefki, Seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP5vx9rLLhE |
| 11:06.53 | Shefki | I've seen it. |
| 11:06.56 | Shefki | It's completely useless. |
| 11:07.00 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.29 | Hid | Shefki, Feel free to measure the time between updates, and you'll find that it's often ABOVE 300ms, even. |
| 11:07.32 | Grum | hmm does anyone happen to know the current wow build as well? :D |
| 11:08.17 | Grum | is it still v3.3.0.10958 ? |
| 11:08.19 | Shefki | Grum: Current build probably varies from region to region. |
| 11:08.25 | Grum | oh does it? |
| 11:08.31 | Hid | Shefki, Go face a 2.5k+ rated wizardcleave in 3v3 and come back to me saying that 300ms faster updates is useless. |
| 11:08.32 | Shefki | US is 11159 |
| 11:08.33 | Torhal | Grum: Here's my commit message for InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory_Fix: - Changed build number to check from 10958 to 11159. |
| 11:08.47 | Torhal | Shefki: Foo! |
| 11:08.55 | Grum | oh we got a minor patch as well, we're at 3.3a right? |
| 11:09.00 | Torhal | Yah |
| 11:09.02 | Shefki | Hid: You're taking the absolute worst case scenario and extrapolating that the performance is always that bad. |
| 11:09.04 | Grum | ah kk |
| 11:09.07 | Grum | GAH |
| 11:09.20 | Grum | now i have to do the whole release cycle for these peopel who dont know the out of date addons crap :( |
| 11:09.21 | Hid | Shefki, No, I'm saying that it seems to be about 200-300ms faster on average. |
| 11:09.37 | Torhal | Grum: Just send a hit man around. |
| 11:09.37 | Hid | But it's ALWAYS faster, and it's ALWAYS >100ms faster |
| 11:09.47 | Grum | Torhal: i did, he got lost |
| 11:09.50 | Torhal | Bastard |
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| 11:10.31 | Shefki | That video is useless on several fronts. The video has been obviously slowed down but there's no information on how much it was slowed. And there's no context as to what was going on. |
| 11:10.58 | Hid | Shefki, Actually, it hasn't been slowed down in any way |
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| 11:11.30 | Hid | You can easily verify that by looking at the castbar timer |
| 11:11.40 | Hid | and the GCD animation on his bars |
| 11:12.39 | yoshimo_ | i was told that a duel with a hunter is the best way to test healthupdates, snaketrap i think it was |
| 11:13.04 | Hid | Depends on what you're looking for |
| 11:13.24 | Hid | the snakes hit for like 10dmg, so you will never see the individual updates, what you will see is the frequency of the updates |
| 11:13.26 | Repo | 10routes: 03grum 07master * v1.2.7-3-gd5307ec Routes.lua: [+1 commit] v1.2.8. no functional changes |
| 11:13.37 | Repo | 10routes: 03grum 04v1.2.8 * e2013d9 /: [new tag] |
| 11:13.38 | Repo | ====== |
| 11:13.39 | Repo | * TOC Bump >< |
| 11:13.45 | Shefki | Looks to me like it's been slowed to make the difference appear more drastic. But I'm not sitting here with a stop watch. |
| 11:13.56 | Repo | * No functional changes! |
| 11:14.02 | Hid | Shefki, Well, I have checked it with a "stopwatch" :) |
| 11:14.08 | Shefki | And even still the difference between Blizzard's stuff and lqh is tiny. |
| 11:14.34 | Hid | And if it is slowed down, the slowdown is smaller than the margin for error when I measured it |
| 11:14.40 | Shefki | For all practical purposes Blizzard's stuff does exactly the same thing. It's just slightly slower to prevent the inaccuracies that lqh eats in order to be faster. |
| 11:14.58 | Gnarfoz | Grum: did you change the toc# to 33000? |
| 11:15.05 | Grum | yes |
| 11:15.08 | Torhal | 30300 |
| 11:15.12 | Gnarfoz | because that'd be the toc# for wow 3.30.0 |
| 11:15.13 | Grum | lol |
| 11:15.14 | Grum | i asked! |
| 11:15.17 | Grum | lame people >< |
| 11:15.33 | Gnarfoz | old format is old |
| 11:15.34 | Grum | oh well |
| 11:15.40 | Hid | 300ms isn't "slightly" anything in this context |
| 11:15.40 | SunTsu | Grum is ahead of time, nothing to complain about ;) |
| 11:15.42 | Hid | It's fucking huge |
| 11:15.42 | Grum | that is what you get for doing it fast :P |
| 11:15.57 | Grum | sigh! |
| 11:15.57 | Hid | It's >3x the latency of most people |
| 11:16.05 | Gnarfoz | also, /topic #wowuidev |
| 11:16.05 | Shefki | Hid: It's not 300ms between fast updates and lqh. |
| 11:16.06 | Torhal | Hid: Watch your fucking mouth. You might trigger nerd rage. |
| 11:16.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 11:16.26 | Shefki | It might be 300ms between UNIT_HEALTH and lqh. |
| 11:16.33 | Shefki | But you're never going to convince me of the former. |
| 11:16.44 | Hid | Shefki, I've actually written test code into my SUF_QuickHealth/Blizz_QuickHealth addons to TEST this |
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| 11:16.52 | Hid | And YES, it is 300ms |
| 11:16.55 | Hid | Period. |
| 11:16.55 | Shefki | Hid: You can't do accurate timing in Lua. |
| 11:17.01 | Hid | Accurate enough. |
| 11:17.08 | Shefki | No you can't. |
| 11:17.13 | Hid | Fine, it's 290ms, happy? |
| 11:17.15 | Grum | meh moar spam |
| 11:17.18 | Repo | 10routes: 03grum 07master * v1.2.8-1-gc37219e Routes.toc: [+1 commit] 33000 != 30300 |
| 11:17.25 | Repo | 10routes: 03grum 04v1.2.8a * 57e5a10 /: [new tag] 30300 |
| 11:17.35 | Torhal | !toc |
| 11:17.38 | Torhal | ~toc |
| 11:18.01 | purl | methinks toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 30300 |
| 11:18.01 | Torhal | Bah |
| 11:18.01 | Torhal | Too early in the morning. |
| 11:18.01 | Gnarfoz | @toc |
| 11:18.01 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 11:18.02 | Torhal | No workey! |
| 11:18.10 | Gnarfoz | oh damn, purl |
| 11:18.12 | stolenlegacy | coulda guessed |
| 11:18.14 | Grum | 12:05:56 < Grum> what is the current TOC? 33000? |
| 11:18.14 | Grum | 12:06:02 < Shefki> Yes. |
| 11:18.20 | Grum | i know who to blame ;) |
| 11:18.24 | Gnarfoz | we all do |
| 11:18.26 | stolenlegacy | xyyzz is toc interface number format |
| 11:18.29 | stolenlegacy | for patch x.yy.zz |
| 11:18.34 | Grum | i know :) |
| 11:18.38 | stolenlegacy | so 3.3.0 is 30300 |
| 11:18.39 | stolenlegacy | :) |
| 11:18.40 | Grum | but i fizzled and and asked! |
| 11:18.56 | Repo | 10libsnowflake-3-0 (experimental): 03Grayal * r13 / (5 files in 2 directories): first version |
| 11:19.12 | stolenlegacy | @describe libsnowflake-3-0 |
| 11:19.14 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsnowflake-3-0/. LibSnowflake-3.0. dropdown framework |
| 11:19.18 | Torhal | stolenlegacy: It's scary |
| 11:19.19 | Shefki | Bahh it looked right. You probably have a dozen addons with it set right and you asked rather than opening it up and looking or instead of doing /dump GetBuildInfo() |
| 11:19.20 | stolenlegacy | very...descriptive |
| 11:19.29 | Torhal | DewDrop knock-off |
| 11:19.36 | Grum | Shefki: its np ;) |
| 11:19.59 | Hid | Shefki, Hell, even if it was only HALF of that number (which it isn't, but say it is), 150ms is still a huge deal. I don't understand how you can be arguing against the actual value of having faster updates? |
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| 11:20.11 | Hid | I mean if you wanna argue that it isn't as accurate, fine, I accept that |
| 11:20.30 | Hid | But don't try and say that the actual faster update times are pointless |
| 11:20.42 | Shefki | Hid: There's a reason LQH is unmaintined now. Most people don't find the difference between fast udpates and lqh to be worth the inaccuracies. |
| 11:20.52 | Shefki | Most people don't find the differences to be that great. |
| 11:21.32 | Shefki | Finally, most of the unit frame authors don't want to deal with the bug reports from the weird things that do happen with it. |
| 11:21.51 | Shefki | People do report stuff like negative health. |
| 11:22.47 | Hid | I'm not following you here. What are you trying to say? First the faster updates weren't noticable, then they weren't valuable. Now they cause too many problems for UF developers.. |
| 11:22.51 | Shefki | Finally, if you really believe that Blizzard's own fast update stuff isn't fast enough you should report it as a bug to them. LQH shouldn't be a measureable advantage. |
| 11:23.02 | Hid | Jesus.. |
| 11:23.05 | Shefki | It's all of them. |
| 11:23.13 | Shefki | I don't believe it really is faster. |
| 11:23.18 | Shefki | I don't believe it's accurate. |
| 11:23.30 | Shefki | And I don't believe the inaccuracies are worth it. |
| 11:23.39 | Hid | Being able to react to having to NS-HT, HoP, swiftmend, etc 300ms faster is a HUGE deal |
| 11:23.42 | Shefki | Or rather it is faster, it's just not faster enough to justify all the rest. |
| 11:24.30 | Shefki | It shouldn't be. If it is that's a game design issue. And frankly I don't agree with you that it is. |
| 11:24.38 | Hid | Shefki, I've proven to you that it IS faster, I've told you my measured margins for error and explained to you the special circumstances needed to even notice it |
| 11:25.22 | Shefki | I still don't believe you're measuring lqh against fast updates. I think you're measuring against UNIT_HEALTH |
| 11:25.35 | Hid | If you don't value it, or think it isn't worth the cost of slightly inaccurate hp values at times, fine. All I was arguing is that the difference in update speed is a huge deal. |
| 11:26.00 | Hid | UNIT_HEALTH is lagged about 700-1000ms most of the time |
| 11:26.06 | Hid | So yes, I'm comparing all 3 |
| 11:26.15 | Shefki | Now that's nonsense. Where do you live AU? |
| 11:26.28 | Hid | Sweden, 60-70ms latency to the Reckoning BG |
| 11:26.48 | Shefki | There is no way your UNIT_HEALTH lags up to a full second behind. |
| 11:27.15 | Hid | Not all the time, but it happens. The max value I got when testing was slightly above 1000ms |
| 11:27.31 | Hid | Which, again, can be seen in that video I linked. |
| 11:28.13 | Shefki | And what makes you think that your lqh data is more accurate if you're lagging that bad? |
| 11:28.14 | yoshimo | people which report negative health, would they really use a special unitframe_quickupdate module? |
| 11:28.24 | Trela | I will agree with the lagged unit health. I love swinging, hitting more abilities, while the unit stands there frozen for a moment before just slapping to the ground undramatically. |
| 11:28.45 | Hid | Shefki, Huh? I'm not lagging? |
| 11:28.59 | Shefki | I've never seen UNIT_HEALTH that far behidn. |
| 11:29.14 | Shefki | Are you sure what you're using to test isn't throttling UNIT_HEALTH in some way? |
| 11:29.17 | sylvanaar | curse got a mention in techcrunch last night - just saw |
| 11:29.18 | Torhal | Grum: Wait a minute...what are stupid users doing with Routes on their system? |
| 11:29.26 | Grum | Torhal: no idea |
| 11:29.32 | Torhal | Astounding! |
| 11:29.33 | Grum | surprised that it has stupid users tbh :D |
| 11:29.41 | Grum | clearly made it too userfriendly! DAMMIT |
| 11:29.49 | Hid | Have you ever actually measured it, based off any testing, or are you just saying random subjective impressions you've got? :P |
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| 11:30.17 | Shefki | I've tested it. I've never been able to replicate anything even close to the differences that video or you're suggesting. |
| 11:30.21 | yoshimo | grum, it it wasnt that userfriendly, people would complain even more |
| 11:30.31 | Trela | sylvanaar: Totally reading that article. |
| 11:30.41 | Hid | Shefki, As sure as I can be. I mean there's always the possibility of bugs, etc. |
| 11:31.03 | Hid | But I find it hard to believe since all I do to test UNIT_HEALTH is to turn off frequentUpdates :P |
| 11:31.08 | Grum | yoshimo: but then i could just tell them they were stupid :) |
| 11:31.13 | sylvanaar | too bad they called 'addons' 'plugins' |
| 11:31.19 | Shefki | Hid: With the CVAR? |
| 11:31.23 | Grum | meh i still need to make that one other addon /cry |
| 11:31.25 | Grum | meh! no time |
| 11:31.38 | Trela | sylvanaar: No big deal I suppose. |
| 11:31.42 | Torhal | yoshimo: Apparently most users liken "Load Out-of-Date AddOns" with "Wear Dirty Underwear" |
| 11:32.01 | Hid | Shefki, No, with PlayerFrame.healthbar.frequentUpdates |
| 11:32.57 | Hid | But they would have the exact same effect. the cvar is just "global", while the healthbar.frequentUpdates is per-frame |
| 11:32.58 | Grum | Torhal: i'm getting slightly annoyed with it hehe |
| 11:33.10 | sylvanaar | Trela no - its not a big deal of course - just jumps out at me |
| 11:33.12 | Grum | i've already done 4 updates just for a TOC ... but always tried to delay em as much as possible |
| 11:34.00 | Hid | Or well, that's simplifying it a bit, since in the default blizz code it checks that BOTH the cvar and healthbar.frequentUpdates is true before turning on frequentupdates, if either is false it falls back to UNIT_HEALTH |
| 11:34.28 | Shefki | Hid: But it only does that at VARIABLES_LOADED which you have no access to. |
| 11:34.39 | Shefki | That code is running before your stuff ever runs. |
| 11:34.41 | Trela | sylvanaar: Did you watch the video at the end of the article? Wish they would have used a tripod. :P |
| 11:35.15 | Hid | Shefki, What I can do is unregister/register events and onupdate scripts per-frame. |
| 11:35.28 | Shefki | Right you can do that. |
| 11:35.33 | Shefki | But it doesn't entirely turn it off. |
| 11:35.53 | Hid | Yes, it does |
| 11:36.09 | Shefki | You don't understand how predictedHealth works at all. |
| 11:36.33 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: are you really arguing that using the combatlog to calculate health values is not the faster than anything else? |
| 11:36.38 | Gnarfoz | -the |
| 11:37.00 | Shefki | I'm arguing that doing it in Lua is not really faster than Blizzard doing it in the client for us. |
| 11:37.13 | Shefki | Not without making some assumptions that simply aren't true. |
| 11:37.38 | Hid | I'm quite inexperienced with lua, and wow addons (compared to say my "main" language, perl), but I do think I grasp it well enough to know what I'm talking about here. |
| 11:37.44 | Shefki | If the predictedHealth is turned on any call to UnitHealth returns a combat log adjusted health. |
| 11:37.45 | Gnarfoz | so people actually implementing it an getting results that stand contrary to what you're saying is... what, irrelevant? |
| 11:37.56 | Shefki | Not just the last UNIT_HEALTH value as per nromal behavior. |
| 11:38.00 | sylvanaar | Trela no i didnt, ill take a look |
| 11:38.31 | Gnarfoz | unless of course, videos showing all 3 methods side-by-side are fake ;\ |
| 11:38.33 | Shefki | So if the CVAR is turned on. |
| 11:38.41 | Shefki | Even if you are only updating based on UNIT_HEALTH. |
| 11:38.53 | Shefki | You're still not getting the value that the UNIT_HEALTH event sent. |
| 11:39.27 | Hid | Shefki, With predictedHealth the blizz code isn't even listening to the UNIT_HEALTH event any more, and instead uses an OnUpdate script to compare the last known hp value with the "current" value |
| 11:39.43 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: I don't think you can reliably show all 3 side by side. In order to truely turn off frequent updates you have to turn off predicted health entirely. |
| 11:40.11 | Hid | But that has nothing to do with my test, since I'm measuring difference in update speed, not accuracy. |
| 11:40.57 | Shefki | If that's what you're measuring then your test will always prove what you want it to prove no matter what the reality is. |
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| 11:41.14 | Shefki | The question is, is the health accurately and quickly updated. |
| 11:41.18 | Shefki | Not just does the bar move faster. |
| 11:41.36 | Gnarfoz | whaaat. |
| 11:41.47 | sylvanaar | what are you guys fighting about |
| 11:41.58 | Hid | no predicted health and no lqh uses the UNIT_HEALTH event. predictedhealth uses OnEvent together with a more accurate("faster", semi-combatlog based) UnitHealth function, and lqh uses combatlog events and fires a callback function when it notices any incoming damage/heals |
| 11:42.03 | Gnarfoz | the health value is server-side no matter what update method is used anyway, it's all just visual anyway |
| 11:42.16 | Shefki | Obviously something doing updates off OnUpdate is going to be faster than something doing it off an event. |
| 11:42.33 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Neither predictedHealth nor LQH are server side. |
| 11:42.38 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: no shit |
| 11:43.03 | Shefki | He's saying that he's testing UNIT_HEALTH with the OnUpdate disabled but not turning off the CVAR. |
| 11:43.12 | Shefki | By not turning off the cvar he's still getting predictedHealth. |
| 11:43.19 | Shefki | Thus he's not accurately testing UNIT_HEALTH. |
| 11:43.21 | sylvanaar | why are you using UNIT_HEALTH |
| 11:43.43 | Shefki | Because predictedHealth changes the return of UnitHealth. |
| 11:43.50 | Shefki | Based on the combat log locally inside the client. |
| 11:43.56 | Hid | Shefki, Which makes absolutely no difference when the only think I'm measuring is the update frequency of the different solutions |
| 11:44.11 | Shefki | The frames implement this by calling UnitHealth based on OnUpdate rather than UNIT_HEALTH. |
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| 11:44.38 | Hid | Ie, UNIT_HEALTH events vs combatlog events vs UnitHealth with OnUpdate |
| 11:44.59 | Shefki | Exactly. OnUpdate will always be faster. This should be no surprise. |
| 11:45.24 | Shefki | Do an OnUpdate, with CVAR turned off and no lqh and it'll still be faster than UNIT_HEALTH. |
| 11:45.32 | Shefki | Even though the data is coming from UNIT_HEALTH. |
| 11:45.33 | Gnarfoz | so why are you arguing again? use the OnUpdate based method since its the fastest. |
| 11:45.37 | yoshimo | its amazing, how much you can talk about such a small issue |
| 11:45.56 | sylvanaar | i thought UNIT_HEALTH and UNIT_MANA were deprecated |
| 11:46.00 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Because his test proves nothing. |
| 11:46.04 | Shefki | sylvanaar: Nope. |
| 11:46.08 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: you're proving nothing, either |
| 11:46.15 | Hid | Yes, obviously, so what you're seeing is that blizzards UnitHealth function with predictedhealth turned on is 200-300ms slower at noticing changes than the "old" UnitHealth value adjusted with combat log events |
| 11:46.35 | Shefki | No at this point I have no idea what you are testing. |
| 11:46.46 | Shefki | Because your data and test methods make no sense. |
| 11:47.11 | Hid | I really don't get you. I've shown you proof of what I'm saying, clearly showing 3 bars moving at different speeds. If what you say is right (not turning off the cvar for predictedhealth) we would see 1 update frequency for lqh, and the exact same for the 2 others. |
| 11:47.35 | Hid | But we see 3 bars updating at different speeds, ie, my point is proven? |
| 11:47.42 | Shefki | Actually no. |
| 11:47.52 | Hid | Your understanding of this whole thing is lacking, which is why you can't make sense of it. |
| 11:48.03 | Hid | I find it quite clear |
| 11:48.15 | Shefki | You would based on how Blizzard's frames are implemented, but you're clearly not understanding what I'm trying to explain. |
| 11:48.48 | Shefki | a) Any OnUpdate update is going to be faster regardless of what method you get the data (UNIT_HEALTH or lqh) |
| 11:48.58 | Hid | You do understand that when predictedhealth/frequentUpdates is turned on for a frame, that frame doesn't even listen to the UNIT_HEALTH event, right? |
| 11:49.06 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 11:49.06 | sylvanaar | someone post code |
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| 11:50.03 | Shefki | Hid: You do realize the health udpate that triggers UNIT_HEALTH is returnable by UnitHealth before UNIT_HEALTH even fires? |
| 11:50.04 | Hid | So the obvious way to test this is just to boil it down to the basics. Test UNIT_HEALTH vs combatlog vs onupdate+time it takes the predictedhealth code to detect a change |
| 11:52.03 | Hid | So even if what you're saying is right (that leaving frequentupdates on globally while manually turning it off for 1 frame) that would mean that the frame without frequentupdates turned on would actually be FASTER than the "pure" global "off" predicted health version? |
| 11:52.05 | sylvanaar | how do you determine how long something took to detected a change |
| 11:52.13 | quiescens | o.O |
| 11:52.23 | sylvanaar | since you dont know when the change happened |
| 11:52.24 | Shefki | My point is really simple. |
| 11:52.30 | quiescens | scrolls up a couple dozen pages |
| 11:52.36 | quiescens | gives up |
| 11:52.46 | Shefki | a) Any polling techinque that updates health off OnUpdate will always update the bar faster. |
| 11:52.50 | Shefki | That's just a given. |
| 11:52.51 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: classic case of "no, *you're* wrong", apparently |
| 11:53.03 | Shefki | That's like saying the sky is blue. |
| 11:53.10 | Hid | sylvanaar, By not worrying about that at all, and instead focusing on the difference in speeds at which the 3 options detects a change |
| 11:53.16 | Shefki | You don't even need to test it. |
| 11:53.21 | quiescens | the sky is currently black! |
| 11:53.26 | Hid | sylvanaar, Then just comparing the 2 faster alternatives to the slowest |
| 11:54.17 | Hid | Shefki, The question isn't which implementation updates the bar fastest, it's which implementation that detects a CHANGE in hp and then displays it the fastest |
| 11:54.44 | Shefki | The answer to that will obviously always be LQH because it's making up changes. |
| 11:54.46 | Hid | And the blizzard UnitHealth function with predictedhealth turned on is slower at detecting changes in hp than lqh |
| 11:54.50 | Hid | It really is that simple |
| 11:54.59 | Shefki | It has no way of knowing what is and isn't included in the UNIT_HEALTH update. |
| 11:55.03 | Shefki | What combat events that is. |
| 11:55.17 | Hid | I've proven it over and over. The difference of the 3 methods are even big enough that you can easily spot it with your own eyes. |
| 11:55.21 | Hid | And STILL you are arguing |
| 11:55.29 | Hid | Are you just bored or something? :P |
| 11:55.49 | Shefki | I don't think the difference between frequent update and lqh is really noticeable. |
| 11:55.55 | Shefki | Even after watching that video several times. |
| 11:56.11 | Shefki | UNIT_HEALTH sure. |
| 11:57.07 | Gnarfoz | if it's the same video (with the 3 unitframes on the right) he linked yesterday, it's easily visible in that one |
| 11:57.39 | Gnarfoz | do you need to go through it frame by frame to see that it takes each frame a different amount of time to update? |
| 11:57.40 | sylvanaar | doesnt UnitHealth have a minimum update frequency? |
| 11:57.46 | Hid | I don't care at all about your personal, subjective perceptions. Not when I got hard data saying that the difference is 200-300ms (it varies depending on the type of damage, slow big hits vs a lot of small hits) |
| 11:58.21 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: LQH doesn't use UnitHealth(), wasn't that the whole point of it? |
| 11:58.42 | sylvanaar | ~0.3s, am i imagining that i remember reading that once |
| 11:58.45 | Hid | No offense, but I really don't understand what we're arguing about here. Anyone with a set of eyes watching that video can notice a clear difference in the 3 frames |
| 11:59.24 | nevcairiel | UNIT_HEALTH is throttled to about 0.3s, not sure how fast UnitHealth updates, but its faster |
| 11:59.47 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It's much faster if predictedHealth is turned on. |
| 12:00.21 | nevcairiel | fun fact though, with that random combat log breaking, i wouldnt really want to rely on LQH for my HP updates |
| 12:00.46 | Shefki | nevcairiel: If the combat log breaks lqh would depend on UNIT_HEALTH |
| 12:01.00 | Shefki | Which is an interesting point. |
| 12:01.10 | nevcairiel | which is even slower then frequentUpdates which i use on my frames |
| 12:01.17 | Shefki | But I'm not really interested in worst case scenarios. |
| 12:01.47 | Shefki | And I can't really see how he could possible come up with that lqh is 300ms faster than fast udpates when fast updates is faster than UNIT_HEALTH which is throttled to 300ms. |
| 12:02.03 | Hid | Shefki, That's not right either. It doesn't depend on it, it simply uses the old unithealth value and adjusts it with combat log events that has happened since that hp value was recorded, up until the point the combat log event happened. |
| 12:02.04 | Shefki | UNIT_HEALTH vs lqh. 300 ms makes perfect sense. |
| 12:02.13 | nevcairiel | i'm sure i can engineer you a video that shows a even bigger difference |
| 12:02.37 | Hid | This way it doesn't drift more out of sync as time goes on if it gets 1 update wrong because of wrong order of events in the combatlog, for example. |
| 12:03.16 | Shefki | Hid: My last statement was in the context of nevcairiel's comment in which case there are no combat events becuase the combat log broke. |
| 12:03.22 | Hid | Shefki, UNIT_HEALTH vs lqh is about 650ms average, but can sometimes be over a full second. |
| 12:03.23 | Shefki | Hid: Which randomly happens from time to time. |
| 12:03.34 | Hid | From my tests. |
| 12:03.39 | nevcairiel | UNIT_HEALTH is throttled to about 0.3s, which is a proven fact |
| 12:03.40 | Shefki | Hid: And that's just insane. |
| 12:03.42 | nevcairiel | not 0.65 or 1s |
| 12:03.57 | Shefki | The game would not be playable if UNIT_HEALTH was that far behind. |
| 12:04.07 | Hid | nevcairiel, Then explain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP5vx9rLLhE |
| 12:04.15 | Hid | nevcairiel, Take out your stopwatch if you want. |
| 12:04.22 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: yes, it sometimes is, and it's annoying, that's why people invented stuff like LQH |
| 12:04.24 | nevcairiel | Hid: want me to build a video where bars move in a rythm? |
| 12:04.40 | Hid | nevcairiel, That's exactly what the bars in that video do? |
| 12:04.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: are you now simply saying, without proof or evidence, that he faked the video? (IIRC, it's not even HIS video) |
| 12:04.54 | nevcairiel | I can probably do complete funny looking animations to whatever delay you want to say |
| 12:05.09 | Shefki | I don't think he faked the video. |
| 12:05.13 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: probably not entirely faked, but taken some worst case scenario |
| 12:05.26 | Shefki | There's just no details of how he did this test. |
| 12:05.35 | Shefki | he being whoever made that video. |
| 12:05.44 | Hid | As I said I have written my own code to do the exact same test aswell. |
| 12:05.46 | Shefki | And I'm with nevcairiel, I think it's a worst case scenario. |
| 12:05.54 | Hid | And I get matching results. |
| 12:06.14 | nevcairiel | I've been playing a healer for 4 years, and i never had troubles with that |
| 12:06.17 | Gnarfoz | why is better performance in a worst-case scenario not relevant? |
| 12:06.29 | nevcairiel | i would notice if bars dont update for 1s |
| 12:06.32 | Hid | And as I also said, the time you notice the biggest difference in the 3 methods is when you take big, slow hits |
| 12:07.01 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: don't tell me you've never had someone drop 80% of their health in one update even though it was 3 hits? |
| 12:07.23 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: only of those hits fall within <0.3s |
| 12:07.26 | nevcairiel | *if |
| 12:08.04 | Gnarfoz | *shrug* I've had that happen with hits further apart |
| 12:08.05 | Hid | nevcairiel, That's the thing, what I found is that the difference can consistently be as big as 650ms (UNIT_HEALTH vs lqh) |
| 12:08.17 | nevcairiel | So you keep saying |
| 12:08.28 | Shefki | I just can't fathom how that is the case. |
| 12:08.38 | Shefki | What is the game doing. Sleeping on the data for 300 ms? |
| 12:08.56 | Hid | nevcairiel, I imagine that, as you said, you could probably write up some code that tests this pretty quickly yourself. So maby go do that and watch it with your own eyes? =) |
| 12:09.04 | Hid | Since I'm tired of this discussion :P |
| 12:09.04 | Gnarfoz | who said it actually got the data in that mythical 300ms time frame you keep citing as the absolute maximum interval there can be? |
| 12:09.27 | Shefki | It's only throttled to 300 ms. |
| 12:09.40 | Gnarfoz | it's throttled to not update *more* often than that |
| 12:09.42 | Shefki | It's not sending the UNIT_HEALTH event on a timer. |
| 12:09.42 | nevcairiel | Because there is no reason to hold the data back longer if a 300ms window was observed before |
| 12:09.45 | Shefki | That's easily provable. |
| 12:09.53 | nevcairiel | UNIT_HEALTH works like AceBucket |
| 12:09.58 | nevcairiel | a bit, anyway |
| 12:10.07 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Except leakier. |
| 12:10.20 | Gnarfoz | UNIT_HEALTH took mah bukkit |
| 12:10.33 | nevcairiel | it fires off the event on first health change, then waits <time x>, and if another health change occured, fires again |
| 12:10.35 | nevcairiel | and so on |
| 12:10.58 | Gnarfoz | and sometimes, it doesn't because the server takes more time *gasp* |
| 12:11.01 | Shefki | Hid: In my past experiments with UNIT_HEALTH I've found it to be much faster than 300ms throttle speed in some cases. |
| 12:11.12 | nevcairiel | with what would it take more time? |
| 12:11.20 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: If the server takes more time how is a combat log going to help you? |
| 12:11.37 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: because CLEU is higher priority and gets pushed to the client more often? |
| 12:11.37 | yoshimo | the amount of "currently no player called X online" increased recently, what might cause that? |
| 12:11.52 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: you're using a crappy addon that's doing /who queries? |
| 12:12.03 | Shefki | yoshimo: Using Auctionator? |
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| 12:12.27 | Hid | There has to be something else going on as well, because I'm telling you, I consistently recoreded UNIT_HEALTH 650ms behind lqh on average, and predictedhealth at 200-300ms behind lqh on average (200-300ms depending on the type of damage, slow big hits vs fast small hits) |
| 12:12.34 | Hid | recorded |
| 12:13.00 | Shefki | Hid: If you can really see these issues I'd much rather we have a sane discussion with Blizzard about this stuff than everyone run around deploying LQH. |
| 12:13.11 | Gnarfoz | Hid: their point probably is: share the that data, they don't want to believe your conclusions, or something |
| 12:13.11 | Shefki | Why not fix it for everyone rather than putting a band aid for yourself? |
| 12:13.22 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: good luck |
| 12:14.06 | nevcairiel | The UI people are reasonably open for community input, if well thought out and backed by facts |
| 12:14.12 | yoshimo | no i dont use auctionator, and this isnt my ah.char either. I doubt its badboy |
| 12:14.12 | Shefki | Just a stupid question but I wonder if UNIT_HEALTH dosn't fire slower when predictedHealth is turned on since they're expecting it not to be used? |
| 12:14.21 | nevcairiel | Could be |
| 12:14.26 | Gnarfoz | if you're as persistent with them, maybe we'll even get CastSpellByName unprotected! :D |
| 12:14.39 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Don't be ridiculous. |
| 12:14.44 | nevcairiel | seriously |
| 12:14.49 | Shefki | I've gotten changes made, recently even. |
| 12:14.52 | Hid | Even had a few stray >1000ms events with UNIT_HEALTH vs lqh (but I guess you could argue that those were caused by some temporary lagspike and/or bug) |
| 12:14.54 | yoshimo | gnarfoz, wouldn castspellbyid be better? ;) |
| 12:15.02 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: way to miss the point :p |
| 12:15.34 | Shefki | Hid: I'm just having a very hard time believing your data. I haven't played around with the UNIT_HEALTH and fastupdate stuff quite a lot. I've never seen such slow updates. |
| 12:15.44 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03stolenlegacy * r706 / (5 files in 1 directory): Changing from LibHealComm-3.0 to LibHealComm-4.0. |
| 12:15.46 | Repo | Alpha commit. |
| 12:15.51 | Shefki | I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're seeing it. |
| 12:16.05 | Shefki | But it makes no sense in the context of how this stuff should be working. |
| 12:16.53 | nevcairiel | If it would be consistenly on a >650ms lag, it would be nearly unplayable |
| 12:16.57 | nevcairiel | and i just don't think thats thecase |
| 12:17.05 | Shefki | nevcairiel: That's precisely my argument. |
| 12:17.09 | Antiarc | loooooooooooooooool. |
| 12:17.10 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/5aJOw.png |
| 12:17.16 | Antiarc | I am laughing so hard over here |
| 12:17.32 | nevcairiel | thats a pre-defined reason? |
| 12:17.41 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 12:17.44 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 12:17.47 | Antiarc | I just took that screenshot. |
| 12:18.04 | Gnarfoz | I'll just say this: Health updates reaaally slow for me. (I doubt I'm using LQH, not sure if Shadowed's UnitFrames use predictedhealth, or if Grid does) |
| 12:18.18 | nevcairiel | Grid is in general slow for updating |
| 12:18.20 | nevcairiel | always has been |
| 12:18.22 | Shefki | If the WotF is just as lethal as before then how was that for balance reasons. *boogle* |
| 12:18.25 | Hid | Been trying to find an older revision of my Blizz_QuickHealth.lua code which had the debug output in it, but it seems like I didn't sync anything at all while playing around. After testing and finishing the code I removed all the debug output etc |
| 12:18.35 | Hid | I could link you the addon code |
| 12:18.40 | Hid | Still has a "demo" feature in it |
| 12:18.51 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: He does use predictedHealth. He's also unconvinced that LQH is worthwhile. |
| 12:19.00 | Hid | Where it shows 3 different frames with lqh vs predicted vs unithealth |
| 12:19.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: how? it certainly can't be slower than UNIT_HEALTH? |
| 12:19.09 | stolenlegacy | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 12:19.11 | nevcairiel | Sure it can |
| 12:19.20 | Gnarfoz | well, if it's not updating on UNIT_HEALTH, of course |
| 12:19.30 | nevcairiel | i believe it bucket'ed events as well |
| 12:19.34 | nevcairiel | not sure if it still does |
| 12:19.36 | stolenlegacy | plus, UNIT_HEALTH is slow in itself |
| 12:19.43 | nevcairiel | but some time ago Grid seriously was slow |
| 12:19.45 | quiescens | grid has seemed okay to me in the past |
| 12:19.45 | Gnarfoz | stolenlegacy: but not slower than 300ms! |
| 12:19.46 | quiescens | o.o |
| 12:19.51 | nevcairiel | slower then the other addons |
| 12:20.08 | stolenlegacy | Gnarfoz: You can use a method called PredictedHealth, keeping a cache of last known health values and updating each OnUpdate() |
| 12:20.23 | Gnarfoz | stolenlegacy: uhm |
| 12:20.33 | nevcairiel | don't come late to the party =P |
| 12:20.36 | Gnarfoz | idd |
| 12:20.40 | Gnarfoz | more scrollback for you :> |
| 12:20.49 | quiescens | partay~ |
| 12:20.59 | Gnarfoz | 40minute :( |
| 12:21.05 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Ironically I hear people tell me that Grid is really fast a lot too. |
| 12:21.17 | Shefki | nevcairiel: So honestly, I think people have weird perceptions of update speeds. |
| 12:21.30 | nevcairiel | Grid still has some design flaws in it from back when it was initially designed a few years ago |
| 12:21.36 | Shefki | Hid is obviously putting some effort into testing, but I think his results are so spectaularly strange that I question them. |
| 12:21.48 | nevcairiel | Maybe something wrt updating was fixed now |
| 12:21.53 | nevcairiel | i didnt pay much attention to grid anymore |
| 12:22.18 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: they might be using Grid_QuickHealth *ducks* |
| 12:22.26 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: They might. |
| 12:22.59 | Gnarfoz | http://www.ruthe.de/frontend/cartoons/strip_0488.jpg nevcairiel :< |
| 12:23.02 | nevcairiel | those quickhealth addons are what i hated about the thing the most |
| 12:23.10 | nevcairiel | they are ugly hacks that replace core functionality in the addons |
| 12:23.28 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:23.37 | Gnarfoz | wasn't that InstantHealth? the ugly hacks? |
| 12:23.38 | quiescens | they wouldn't be the first time people have replicated core functionality to work around blizzard silliness |
| 12:23.44 | nevcairiel | that was even uglier |
| 12:23.50 | nevcairiel | InstantHealth replaced it for everyone |
| 12:23.55 | Gnarfoz | oh right, yeah |
| 12:23.59 | nevcairiel | the *_QuickHealth addons just replace parts of the addons they target |
| 12:24.26 | Shefki | Seeing as it's the holidays I'll make an effort to play around with this stuff again tomorrow. |
| 12:24.40 | Hid | I actually need to get going, gotta go and buy some damn wrapping paper to sort out all the christmas presents, but when I get back home I'll add some more debug output in my Blizz_QuickHealth addon and take some screenshots with timestamped output from each of the 3 different update methods |
| 12:25.10 | Shefki | But I think your results are pretty shocking. Shockingly bad enough that Blizzard should do something if they're accurate. |
| 12:25.29 | nevcairiel | If they're accurate more people would've noticed |
| 12:25.38 | nevcairiel | or everyone is running QuickHealth now |
| 12:26.12 | Shefki | Not running QuickHealth here. |
| 12:26.25 | Shefki | In fact I have fastUpdates disabled. |
| 12:26.43 | Shefki | Well except for power bars but that's not really the same thing. |
| 12:26.50 | Hid | Well, I dunno if they really can do much more than what they already did with predictedhealth. The only other option would be to do server-side combat event adjusted health values, and I suspect that would require quite a bit of extra juice to do ^^ |
| 12:26.52 | Shefki | That only works for my own character anyway. |
| 12:27.16 | nevcairiel | They could parse the combat log events client side and put the into in UnitHealth |
| 12:27.20 | nevcairiel | like QuickHealth works |
| 12:27.32 | Hid | Because they can't really do it like lqh, since there's no real way around the problem that it isn't 100% accurate |
| 12:27.37 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Pretty sure that's how predictedHealth works. |
| 12:27.56 | Shefki | Hid: Unless there's information they aren't exposing to us in the cobmat log events. |
| 12:28.04 | Hid | Yes, ofc |
| 12:28.07 | Shefki | Hid: That make it easier to do. |
| 12:28.11 | Shefki | Which I suspect there is. |
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| 12:28.17 | nevcairiel | They usually tell us all information the server tells to the client |
| 12:28.28 | nevcairiel | and extending the server<->client protocol is something they try to avoid |
| 12:28.36 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Unless that information wouldn't be useful to us. |
| 12:29.00 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 12:29.17 | nevcairiel | maybe QuickHealth values are wrong, and we just don't know better |
| 12:29.35 | nevcairiel | who knows if the combat log is in perfect sync with what happens in the server's health values |
| 12:29.52 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I know for a fact that the combat log events are not guaranteed to be in order. |
| 12:30.05 | Shefki | If you can fix the order you can have an accurate predicted health. |
| 12:30.20 | nevcairiel | All we have is timestamps, and its already sorted by that |
| 12:30.30 | Shefki | Timestamps are locally generated. |
| 12:30.33 | Hid | I mean obviously predictedhealth is doing something along those lines (watching combat log events), but it's also obviously limited in some way, since UnitHealth with predictedhealth is nowhere near as fast at giving the right hp values as the combat log is at recording incoming damage |
| 12:30.55 | nevcairiel | My point being, you don't know if the combatlog values are the "right" values |
| 12:31.03 | nevcairiel | predicted health could be right, for all i know |
| 12:31.06 | Shefki | nevcairiel: *nod* |
| 12:31.31 | nevcairiel | LQH might get you more bar movement, but if its accurate movement, i cannot say |
| 12:31.41 | Shefki | Hid: I vaguely remember zoot responding to some questions about predictedhealth. |
| 12:31.48 | Shefki | Hid: But no idea where to find it now. |
| 12:31.55 | nevcairiel | I wish zoot would still be around on UI |
| 12:32.01 | Shefki | I agree. |
| 12:32.07 | nevcairiel | You could even engage him in a discussion on IRC if you were lucky |
| 12:32.23 | Hid | As I said earlier though, I'm personally not too interested in accurate values (within reason, say +/- a few %), but more in getting quick feedback when something happens, like say a hit that takes someone from 50-5% hp in arenas |
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| 12:33.55 | Hid | In that situation, being able to react several hundred milliseconds faster with a quick instant heal, HoP or similar is a huge deal |
| 12:34.42 | Shefki | I'll play around with fast updates again tomorrow. I have them disabled because I found buginess in them and bitched to zoot about it but since he disappared and I got no feedback on it... I haven't thought to get back to it. |
| 12:34.42 | Hid | And this is why I really likq lqh |
| 12:34.51 | Hid | Hehe |
| 12:34.58 | Hid | s/likq/like/ |
| 12:35.23 | Shefki | Anyway I'm going to bed. |
| 12:35.41 | Gnarfoz | I envy you, Shefki :( |
| 12:35.47 | Gnarfoz | needs sleep |
| 12:35.47 | Shefki | BTW nevcairiel I can still reproduce that menu crash. |
| 12:36.19 | Hid | I'm also gonna mess around with it some more tonight, and actually take screenshots and maby even record a short video this time. :P |
| 12:36.19 | nevcairiel | menu crash? |
| 12:36.19 | Shefki | nevcairiel: The one with the close button with the open multi-select drop down. |
| 12:36.19 | nevcairiel | i thought 3.2 fixed that =P |
| 12:36.19 | Hid | Ye I'm off to the store for now, laters & |
| 12:36.34 | Shefki | nevcairiel: It did for some people but I can still reproduce it. |
| 12:36.48 | nevcairiel | I blame macs |
| 12:36.55 | nevcairiel | I could reproduce it on 3.1 |
| 12:36.57 | nevcairiel | but not on 3.2 |
| 12:37.06 | Shefki | Funny thing is most of the poeple that reported it weren't on macs. |
| 12:37.13 | nevcairiel | I should look for the instructions again and try on 3.3 |
| 12:37.25 | Shefki | Though I'll admit. |
| 12:37.33 | Shefki | I haven't heard anyone complaining in a while. |
| 12:37.43 | Shefki | But my ticket is still open so I figured I'd see if it still reproduced. |
| 12:37.44 | Shefki | And it does. |
| 12:38.01 | nevcairiel | link me again |
| 12:38.31 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/209-error-132/ |
| 12:38.32 | yoshimo | grid1 has flaws, but there is grid2 , i should try that soon |
| 12:38.44 | Shefki | There's a link to your ticket in the commments. |
| 12:39.03 | Antiarc | So, I'm talking to a friend about STALKER, where the quest rewards can give you radiation poisoning and kill you if you equip them |
| 12:39.09 | quiescens | grid2 was missing too many things last time I tried it ): |
| 12:39.11 | Antiarc | It occurs to me that WoW would benefit from this system. |
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| 12:39.24 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: grid2 is a joke, IIRC |
| 12:39.27 | Antiarc | "You are a warrior wearing int gear. Your mind is not powerful enough to handle the effects of such potent enchantments. You die." |
| 12:39.33 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 12:39.40 | nevcairiel | i like that, Antiarc |
| 12:39.51 | nevcairiel | too many random people with bad coding style worked on grid2 |
| 12:39.52 | Shefki | Antiarc: Did I ever tell you about my ex-GF that had a warlock? |
| 12:39.52 | Antiarc | It would be such a wonderful anti-noob measure. |
| 12:40.04 | Antiarc | Shefki: Polar gear gemmed for strength? |
| 12:40.08 | Antiarc | Because I had one of those on my server |
| 12:40.16 | Antiarc | Hey, it's epics. |
| 12:40.22 | Shefki | Antiarc: Nope not that bad. She wore a wand that had +healing on it. |
| 12:40.26 | Shefki | All through TBC. |
| 12:40.26 | yoshimo | Gnarfoz, i doubt that it will ever replace grid1 ;) |
| 12:40.30 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 12:40.31 | Shefki | Even upgraded wands. |
| 12:40.39 | Shefki | To new and better ones always with +healing. |
| 12:40.41 | quiescens | ultimately people care more about whether an addon does that the want it to |
| 12:40.58 | quiescens | than whether its coded well |
| 12:41.14 | Shefki | I used to load up her armory for kicks every so often to see if she was still wearing a healing wand. |
| 12:41.30 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: I wonder why it's not dead, yet. probably the magic workings of it being 'version 2.0' of something existing |
| 12:42.07 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: reimplementing from scratch can be a much bigger project than it looks. |
| 12:42.26 | nevcairiel | especially if you have some of the grid2 authors along :P |
| 12:42.26 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: so? |
| 12:42.34 | Gnarfoz | exactly, nevcairiel |
| 12:43.06 | quiescens | i still like plain old grid ): |
| 12:43.24 | Gnarfoz | wasn't it jerry's project at first, then he stopped working on it and Toadkiller took it over... and others |
| 12:43.43 | nevcairiel | yeah jerry would've done it properly |
| 12:43.45 | nevcairiel | but he left |
| 12:43.55 | Shefki | Looks like Azethoth is doing it. |
| 12:43.56 | Gnarfoz | quiescens: it's not like there's anything wrong with it, except high cpu usage (at least for me, it tops "the charts") |
| 12:44.08 | nevcairiel | thats toadkiller |
| 12:44.09 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: yeah, that's Toadkiller's curse username |
| 12:44.13 | nevcairiel | he isn't one of our best authors =P |
| 12:44.19 | Gnarfoz | AutoBar <3 |
| 12:44.35 | nevcairiel | didnt he just take that over from someone else? |
| 12:44.35 | quiescens | iuno what the cpu usage is like |
| 12:44.46 | quiescens | its been a while since I ran with profiling enabled or anything |
| 12:44.51 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Unfortunately, tiny errors can really create massive cpu drains in a unit frame addon. |
| 12:45.12 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm not sure how much of whose code is in there now, which is probably the main source of the problems it has :p |
| 12:45.24 | quiescens | i would half expect raid frames to be one of the higher cpu usage addons though |
| 12:45.27 | nevcairiel | it wasnt really complete when jerry left |
| 12:45.31 | nevcairiel | just a bare framework |
| 12:45.41 | Shefki | quiescens: They should be to a certain degree yes. |
| 12:45.50 | Gnarfoz | obvious: create Grid3 |
| 12:45.52 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 12:45.59 | Shefki | I mean updating it's terribly cpu itensive. |
| 12:46.03 | Shefki | It's just you do it a lot. |
| 12:46.08 | sylvanaar | or just maintain grid |
| 12:46.15 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: no way |
| 12:46.47 | Shefki | I had grid on the principle that it doesn't let you just sort the raid by name and ignore the group someone is in. |
| 12:46.52 | Shefki | hate* |
| 12:47.01 | Gnarfoz | curious, I haven't had someone come forward and call Grid "horrible code" |
| 12:47.10 | sylvanaar | i dont like it because i cant read the names |
| 12:47.16 | nevcairiel | its not horrible by definition |
| 12:47.20 | nevcairiel | its just old and dusty |
| 12:47.27 | Gnarfoz | I'm patient |
| 12:47.29 | Gnarfoz | it'll happen |
| 12:47.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:47.30 | Shefki | WoW has moved along a lot. |
| 12:47.38 | quiescens | I don't mind not being able to read the entire name anyway |
| 12:48.00 | Shefki | Anyway really going to bed now. |
| 12:48.07 | sylvanaar | im going to work |
| 12:48.21 | quiescens | tradeoff for having the frames 30px wide or whatever |
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| 12:49.02 | yoshimo | so if you are used to grid and its amount of plugins, what other addon can replace that? |
| 12:49.12 | stolenlegacy | sRF? :P |
| 12:49.25 | nevcairiel | if you like grid's silly indicator layout, nothing =P |
| 12:49.57 | Antiarc | http://cdn.leasticoulddo.com/comics/20091221.gif |
| 12:50.07 | Gnarfoz | meh, I can think of worse ways to represent all kinds of debuffs/statutes etc |
| 12:50.20 | quiescens | the indicator layout can be annoying, how you can't just put them at absolute positions within the frame |
| 12:50.26 | Repo | 10libsnowflake-3-0 (experimental): 03Grayal * r14 / (2 files in 1 directory): first version |
| 12:50.50 | quiescens | but other than that I like the way the indicators work |
| 12:53.25 | kandarz | hey look! snowflake is still on first version! |
| 12:53.47 | quiescens | what is a snowflake? |
| 13:01.40 | SunTsu | quiescens: the author always commits with comment "First version" |
| 13:01.52 | yoshimo | which addon could use a "who-query" on bg.join? |
| 13:02.09 | SunTsu | quiescens: Description only tells you that it was "aceconfig compatible" |
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| 13:50.16 | stolenlegacy | next thing on to-do done |
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| 14:17.36 | stolenlegacy | @describe recounthealandguessedabsorbs |
| 14:17.38 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/recounthealandguessedabsorbs/. RecountHealAndGuessedAbsorbs. RecountHealAndGuessedAbsorbs is a mode plugin for Recount providing Absorb data collection and healing done on the same panel... |
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| 14:38.29 | Repo | 10recounthealandguessedabsorbs: 03extremdev * r5 RecountHealAndGuessedAbsorbs.toc: Fix version off addon |
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| 14:56.40 | Repo | Removed Scarlet Monastery instances from Undercity - they're in Tirisfal Glades! |
| 14:56.41 | Repo | Updated coords for Shadowfang Keep. |
| 14:56.43 | Repo | Added coordinates for Azjol-Nerub, Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom, The Violet Hold, Trial of The Champion, Trial of The Crusader, The Forge of Souls, Pit of Saron, Halls of Reflection, and Icecrown Citadel. |
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| 15:07.52 | Dessa | ~seen Zeksie |
| 15:07.53 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7d 15h 39m 26s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'. |
| 15:08.03 | Dessa | hrm. |
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| 15:18.07 | yoshimo | i think this you arent in a raid warnings are again caused by wim |
| 15:19.40 | yoshimo | btw shadowed, i found incominghealslib actually is send by some people ;) |
| 15:20.13 | nevcairiel | i saw that too in my list |
| 15:20.19 | nevcairiel | some old addon must still be using it |
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| 15:23.44 | Groktar | random dungeon fail |
| 15:23.54 | kadrahil | lol |
| 15:23.57 | Groktar | i join and right away the rogue says "back in 10" |
| 15:24.02 | Groktar | we do two pulls |
| 15:24.03 | kadrahil | hahahah |
| 15:24.07 | Groktar | priest says "i gotta go" |
| 15:24.12 | Groktar | and then just sits there for a minute |
| 15:24.16 | Groktar | i vote to kick both |
| 15:24.24 | Groktar | apparently the other two people voted no |
| 15:24.49 | Groktar | told them to wait another 20m for tank and left |
| 15:24.58 | quiescens | o.O |
| 15:25.03 | kadrahil | i have yet to get in a group as a tank and not out dps at least 2 people |
| 15:25.20 | Groktar | usually how it goes when i dps with my pally tank friend |
| 15:25.31 | Groktar | i do 50% of the damage and he does 20% |
| 15:25.35 | Megalon | lf addon that plays sound when dungeon invites comes ;7 |
| 15:25.35 | Groktar | other two dps are below him |
| 15:25.35 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 15:25.48 | quiescens | doesn't it already play a sound |
| 15:25.52 | kadrahil | i took a rogue in with me from my guild last night just so i could have a good dps |
| 15:25.58 | kadrahil | and our healer decided to out dps the pugs |
| 15:25.58 | Megalon | not if you have sounds deactivated ingame |
| 15:26.02 | kadrahil | (also a guildie) |
| 15:26.17 | kadrahil | so it was like, rogue, me, healer, then 2 pug dps doing 1k dps on every single pull in nexus |
| 15:26.20 | kadrahil | we linked recount in party chat |
| 15:26.30 | kadrahil | and the ret pally said "paladins are bad at single target" |
| 15:26.35 | kadrahil | i was like, ... LOL? |
| 15:26.47 | Groktar | i wonder |
| 15:27.01 | Groktar | if we all extend our oculus instance locks |
| 15:27.04 | kadrahil | but i didn't actually say that in party chat because i'm too nice to be mean openly to anyone :( |
| 15:27.09 | Groktar | will we be less likely to get oculus? |
| 15:27.11 | quiescens | no |
| 15:27.15 | Groktar | doh :( |
| 15:27.17 | kadrahil | haha |
| 15:27.20 | quiescens | random is random |
| 15:27.24 | kadrahil | because the random dungeon doesn't account for locks |
| 15:27.50 | Groktar | well, it's supposed to be less likely to pick those you've already done |
| 15:27.57 | quiescens | do you get the people that just aoe |
| 15:28.00 | kadrahil | not really, apparently |
| 15:28.06 | kadrahil | my gf got gundrak 5 times one day |
| 15:28.07 | Grum | i dont get why people hate occulus |
| 15:28.10 | quiescens | even if there's something they should single target |
| 15:28.11 | kadrahil | or was it oculus |
| 15:28.12 | SunTsu | according to GC IDs will make it more unlikely to get into that dungeon, according to one week experience he lied |
| 15:28.17 | quiescens | or if there's only 1 or 2 targets |
| 15:28.24 | Grum | CoT or VH or OK are way way worse |
| 15:28.30 | kadrahil | quiescens: lol |
| 15:28.34 | Groktar | well, it could just be bad luck' |
| 15:28.38 | quiescens | the really good one |
| 15:28.41 | quiescens | ones* |
| 15:28.50 | quiescens | are the spriest that mind sears when there are two targets |
| 15:28.51 | kadrahil | quiescens: no but we did get a lock app that 40% of his damage on patchwerk in a pug was rain of fire |
| 15:28.58 | SunTsu | I really< hate Ahn'Kahet, HoS and HoL, and guess where I end up most... |
| 15:29.03 | Grum | kadrahil: gundrak ... now that one is awesome :) |
| 15:29.03 | quiescens | or the warlock that uses seed of corruption when there's two targets |
| 15:29.16 | Groktar | speaking of ahn'kahet |
| 15:29.16 | Grum | HoS, CoT, VH are all horrible |
| 15:29.21 | Groktar | i'm going to go snag the daily for there |
| 15:29.23 | kadrahil | Grum: yeah it is, which is why i think it was something else |
| 15:29.26 | kadrahil | Grum: like HoS |
| 15:29.27 | Groktar | because i know i will get it soon |
| 15:29.40 | Grum | anything which has waves or events in it completely sucks |
| 15:29.47 | quiescens | I swear half of them don't realise that mind sear and seed of corruption only hit enemies around the target and not the target itself |
| 15:29.59 | kadrahil | Grum: well at least they made ionar only disperse once |
| 15:30.04 | Grum | i want to rush the place before the instance timer is up, try that in CoT / VH / HoS :( |
| 15:30.10 | Kuosi | seen many priests mind searing single targets in heroics |
| 15:30.11 | Kuosi | good dmg |
| 15:30.18 | Groktar | i miss ionar the way he was on launch |
| 15:30.21 | kadrahil | lol |
| 15:30.27 | Groktar | where he would disperse but no lightning balls would spawn |
| 15:30.55 | kadrahil | :D |
| 15:31.01 | Grum | the only thing annoying in HoL are the 2xRuneshapers in 1 pack |
| 15:31.10 | Kuosi | + the length |
| 15:31.17 | Grum | its ~14 mins rushed orso |
| 15:31.23 | Kuosi | an>oculus> rest |
| 15:31.34 | Grum | occulus is also only 12-14mins |
| 15:31.35 | SunTsu | it's the guys standing next to exploding lava mobs |
| 15:31.38 | quiescens | runeshapers are a joke if someone would just learn to interrupt |
| 15:31.45 | Grum | SunTsu: just dont aoe em? :) |
| 15:31.49 | Kuosi | need more an |
| 15:31.49 | Grum | quiescens: yeah lol in a pug? :D |
| 15:31.54 | Kuosi | 5min heroics = good |
| 15:31.59 | Megalon | interupts don't deal damage |
| 15:32.11 | kadrahil | i think i'm going to bite the bullet and spec out of morbidity >:( |
| 15:32.17 | kadrahil | cries |
| 15:32.18 | Megalon | so they are -EV on your epeen! |
| 15:32.23 | Kuosi | Megalon: actually using interrupts on dk sometimes now! |
| 15:32.23 | SunTsu | Grum: yeah, but groups always do - and as an unholy DK, I'm forced to do so while tanking |
| 15:32.28 | Grum | Megalon: 2x Runeshapers in a pug doing whirlwind means certain death :P |
| 15:32.31 | Kuosi | when it's off global and u have too much RP :D |
| 15:32.54 | Grum | its about 15k dmg each ... gogo heal that ;) |
| 15:33.13 | kadrahil | Megalon: silencing shot, strangulate deal damage |
| 15:33.44 | Groktar | OCULUS LOL |
| 15:33.51 | kadrahil | Groktar: winner |
| 15:34.05 | Grum | Groktar: you have to love occulus :P |
| 15:34.10 | Megalon | that's why hunters never have it ready |
| 15:34.18 | kadrahil | Megalon: haha yeah |
| 15:34.32 | kadrahil | Megalon: and it's never there when i need it because my rune is on cooldown >.> |
| 15:34.32 | quiescens | that plus they're all survival |
| 15:34.39 | SunTsu | I've been once to Oculus before the last patch and I hated it, now I do it once or twice a day and it's OK |
| 15:34.41 | kadrahil | quiescens: good ones are marks |
| 15:34.48 | kadrahil | quiescens: or, should be |
| 15:34.51 | quiescens | the standard interrupt for a dk is mind freeze anyway |
| 15:34.57 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:35.01 | Grum | but 20rp i think |
| 15:35.03 | Grum | so that is quite meh :) |
| 15:35.14 | quiescens | reroll frost |
| 15:35.26 | Repo | 10recounthealandguessedabsorbs: 03extremdev 04Release V1 * r7 : Tagging as Release V1 |
| 15:35.26 | kadrahil | i got 264 tier shoulders last night :D |
| 15:35.38 | SunTsu | Strangulate doesn't work on too much occasions, where mind freeze does |
| 15:35.59 | kadrahil | SunTsu: it's still useful as a ranged interrupt though :( |
| 15:36.17 | kadrahil | o hai, caster outside my DND and my grip is on cooldown |
| 15:36.26 | SunTsu | kadrahil: Yeah, right, IF it works |
| 15:36.28 | quiescens | if I was a shaman I wold totally just interrupt random things whenever I could |
| 15:36.36 | kadrahil | SunTsu: :| |
| 15:36.47 | Grum | kadrahil: didnt the new VoA boss drop shoulders as well? |
| 15:36.59 | stolenlegacy | Grum: new voa boss ain't out yet |
| 15:36.59 | kadrahil | Grum: i don't think the voa bosses have ever dropped shoulders |
| 15:37.03 | stolenlegacy | because new season ain't |
| 15:37.06 | kadrahil | that too |
| 15:37.13 | Grum | oh nevermind, always gloves+hands |
| 15:37.16 | kadrahil | they dropped chest for a while |
| 15:37.21 | kadrahil | archavon did at launch even |
| 15:37.31 | Grum | as they are the lowest pvp items i think |
| 15:37.39 | Grum | err gloves+pants :p |
| 15:37.40 | kadrahil | i got my 7.5 chest like, 2 weeks after launch from archavon |
| 15:37.50 | Kuosi | yes mind freeze is 20 rp that u must likely have too much anyway |
| 15:38.05 | Kuosi | can't dumb all that rp with unholy atm w/o lowering ur dps |
| 15:38.09 | Kuosi | dump |
| 15:38.26 | kadrahil | Kuosi: or you can be more useful and lower raid damage by interrupting casts |
| 15:38.51 | kadrahil | like on lady deathwhisper |
| 15:39.08 | Kuosi | well ofc u have set interrupters on deathwhisper |
| 15:39.10 | Kuosi | not dk's tho |
| 15:39.15 | Kuosi | then ur just dumb :o |
| 15:39.27 | Kuosi | rogues/fury wars |
| 15:39.56 | Kuosi | not many dk's roll with spell hit cap so having dk interrupting is rather unreliable |
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| 15:51.56 | Repo | 10broker_lfd: 03ulic 04v1.1.1 * r26 : Tagging as v1.1.1 |
| 15:51.58 | Repo | - Add a few more events to help keep the minimap button hidden |
| 15:51.59 | Repo | - Fixed a packing problem with LibStub |
| 15:52.01 | Repo | - Use a GlobalStrings value for "Average Wait Time:" |
| 15:54.30 | Groktar | hrm oculus done |
| 15:54.33 | Groktar | how long was that? |
| 15:56.04 | SunTsu | Normally I get asked when I join a group as a tank "are you going to leave too?" |
| 15:56.12 | SunTsu | Oculus, of course |
| 15:56.34 | Groktar | i honestly don't understand what you just said |
| 15:57.12 | SunTsu | Groktar: People ask if I am going to leave too, when I join in Oculus, because normally 3 or 4 tanks already quit |
| 15:57.21 | Groktar | weird :/ |
| 15:58.11 | Groktar | only really annoying thing is people that get lost |
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| 15:58.26 | SunTsu | Oculus is real easy now |
| 15:58.29 | Groktar | yeah |
| 16:01.50 | kadrahil | lol |
| 16:02.09 | kadrahil | i don't mind oculus at all |
| 16:02.19 | kadrahil | never really did |
| 16:02.48 | yoshimo | i liked the different strategies for eregos |
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| 16:04.30 | SunTsu | There is something like a strategy? |
| 16:04.53 | kadrahil | for the different achievements |
| 16:04.55 | kadrahil | * void |
| 16:05.09 | SunTsu | ah, I never care about achievements |
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| 16:05.35 | Grum | i love it when people join occulus needing to do achievements :( |
| 16:05.47 | nevcairiel | hehe i did that too last week |
| 16:05.48 | kadrahil | yeah, and everyone is like lol no |
| 16:06.00 | kadrahil | i still don't have emerald void or drake rider |
| 16:06.04 | nevcairiel | I just needed trivial shit that was done anyway |
| 16:06.04 | Grum | well, you get the 20 minute one for free if you stfu |
| 16:06.04 | SunTsu | achievments are nearly the only source of wipes in heroics |
| 16:06.05 | arkanes_ | we did amber void in a pug, wasn't that rough |
| 16:06.10 | kadrahil | haha |
| 16:06.20 | nevcairiel | amber and ruby void in one is fun |
| 16:06.23 | nevcairiel | all emerald |
| 16:06.23 | arkanes_ | I wouldn't want to try 5 ambers |
| 16:06.42 | kadrahil | omg |
| 16:06.44 | kadrahil | avatar soundtrack |
| 16:06.47 | yoshimo | timing the timestop can get difficult ;) |
| 16:06.47 | kadrahil | yaaaaaaaay |
| 16:06.59 | arkanes_ | yeah I did it before they added scaling to the drakes |
| 16:07.03 | Grum | no-green is trivial |
| 16:07.09 | Grum | no red almost as trivial :) |
| 16:07.12 | arkanes_ | and to get the DPS you need required really close timing with the other members |
| 16:07.25 | arkanes_ | Grum: no green and no red *at the same time* is what we're talking about here :) |
| 16:07.29 | nevcairiel | we did all amber as well |
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| 16:07.37 | nevcairiel | it was pretty easy once you get dps timing going |
| 16:07.48 | kadrahil | no you're a dps timing |
| 16:07.49 | Kuosi | you get ppl in there with 258 gear |
| 16:07.52 | Grum | if you get the dps to do what they need to do you nuke him down SO hard :P |
| 16:07.56 | Kuosi | and you can faceroll it with any drakes |
| 16:07.58 | arkanes_ | well now that they have scaling yeah it's easier |
| 16:08.05 | Kuosi | the boss simply dies before you take enough dmg |
| 16:08.11 | nevcairiel | the scaling doesnt help that much |
| 16:08.16 | Grum | it does |
| 16:08.17 | nevcairiel | you still need to manage to roll that debuff |
| 16:08.21 | Grum | yeah ofc |
| 16:08.27 | Grum | gear doesnt compensate for fail-play |
| 16:08.33 | kadrahil | Kuosi: except i haven't seen a single person in a pug with 258 gear other than myself |
| 16:08.41 | arkanes_ | it took us some tries to get it down, and we were coordinating on vent and we all raided together |
| 16:08.49 | arkanes_ | I wouldn't want to try it in a pug is all I'm saying :) |
| 16:08.50 | kadrahil | they've all been fresh 80s or uld 10/toc10 gear at best |
| 16:08.51 | kadrahil | :( |
| 16:08.58 | yoshimo | my highest item is the ashen verdict ring for now |
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| 16:09.03 | kadrahil | like nevcairiel here |
| 16:09.05 | Kuosi | kadrahil: i only queue with 3 other ppl from guild and take one random :D |
| 16:09.06 | kadrahil | ^ fresh 80 |
| 16:09.14 | kadrahil | Kuosi: that works too |
| 16:09.16 | nevcairiel | woot? :P |
| 16:09.23 | Kuosi | or well on my druid i actually play with randoms |
| 16:09.29 | Grum | kadrahil: how much 258 items do you have? :D |
| 16:09.29 | Kuosi | as it needs emblems |
| 16:09.30 | yoshimo | 251, and if your ilvl is high enough you probably wont do pugs, only to get that achievement :D |
| 16:09.46 | kadrahil | Grum: a lot :D |
| 16:09.52 | Kuosi | I only do the daily once on 4 chars to get frosts |
| 16:09.52 | kadrahil | Grum: i can't wear my 258 wrists either :( |
| 16:09.54 | nevcairiel | I did the * void achievements nearly a year ago now |
| 16:09.58 | kadrahil | Grum: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Kadrahil |
| 16:09.59 | Grum | kadrahil: you are one of the few who have that |
| 16:10.10 | Grum | hardly anyone either found 258 items worth to get or just couldnt get it |
| 16:10.10 | arkanes_ | as if toc10 gear isn't vastly overpowered for heroics anyway :P |
| 16:10.11 | nevcairiel | i was only missing experienced drake rider because i always died before the end on tank drake |
| 16:10.17 | arkanes_ | but I'm in full togc10 pretty much |
| 16:10.26 | arkanes_ | with some toc25 tossed in there, and my ashen verdict ring |
| 16:10.35 | kadrahil | arkanes_: well we were talking about 258s specifically :P |
| 16:10.40 | yoshimo | Kuosi , we do that within the guild, its faster that way |
| 16:10.53 | arkanes_ | I don't random much on my tank |
| 16:10.59 | Kuosi | my alt pala has all but 3 parts 251+ :o |
| 16:11.04 | Kuosi | hard to gear tanks i heard |
| 16:11.09 | arkanes_ | I do my one for frosts and thats usually it, unless I'm letting guildies ride my queue time |
| 16:11.11 | kadrahil | Grum: if i got the boots from deathwhisper i could wear my 258 wrists again :( |
| 16:11.37 | kadrahil | well, there's nothing stopping me from wearing them now other than they put me over expertise cap and waste stats |
| 16:11.38 | Grum | kadrahil: 5/16 is not a lot :P |
| 16:11.53 | Grum | well, i guess it is |
| 16:12.04 | kadrahil | Grum: lol |
| 16:12.18 | kadrahil | Grum: i've passed on the 258 belt and boots several times |
| 16:12.24 | kadrahil | because the ones i have are better for me |
| 16:12.33 | Kuosi | what class kadrahil |
| 16:12.34 | kadrahil | i have 258 pants in the bank as well |
| 16:12.35 | Grum | as do many, most of the toc10 heroic items are just slightly more conveniently itemized |
| 16:12.36 | kadrahil | that i can't wear |
| 16:12.43 | kadrahil | because haste is bad now |
| 16:12.46 | Kuosi | Grum: + they have sockets |
| 16:12.48 | kadrahil | Kuosi: scroll up |
| 16:12.51 | Grum | aye |
| 16:13.04 | Grum | -10 stats, +socket etc :) |
| 16:13.06 | Grum | quite useful |
| 16:13.24 | arkanes_ | except for the trinkets |
| 16:13.26 | arkanes_ | fuckers |
| 16:13.27 | kadrahil | Grum: i'd have 7 258s if i equipped my pants and wrists \o/ |
| 16:13.38 | Grum | :D |
| 16:13.52 | Grum | think i had like 3-4 items orso |
| 16:13.55 | arkanes_ | I can handle it if togc10 trinkets werent' as good as toc25 ones |
| 16:14.08 | arkanes_ | but man the itemization difference is just a Slap In The Face (tm) |
| 16:14.11 | Grum | 2 mainhands .. which i replaced >< .. offhand and some other crap |
| 16:14.21 | yoshimo | tracking addonmessages is like tracking dps with recount, people deduce weird opinions from it... |
| 16:14.35 | Kuosi | my alt dk has the 258 haste leggs too |
| 16:14.43 | Kuosi | i dont even have any t9 pants on it :( |
| 16:14.49 | Kuosi | and now the leggs are complete trash |
| 16:14.49 | kadrahil | they aren't that good now |
| 16:14.51 | arkanes_ | yoshimo: OMG recount is stealing my passwords! |
| 16:14.52 | Kuosi | yeh |
| 16:14.53 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 16:15.22 | Kuosi | and that's the only 258 part my dk has |
| 16:15.26 | Kuosi | only done one alt hm on it |
| 16:15.29 | kadrahil | lol |
| 16:15.29 | arkanes_ | I wrote an addon with a backdoor that let me control your toon back in the 1.x days |
| 16:15.30 | Kuosi | or well 258 rele weapon too |
| 16:15.35 | yoshimo | arkanes, rather "wim is sending lots of messages,without me even chatting, thats why people in my raid disconnect" |
| 16:15.37 | arkanes_ | just as a proof of concept, really |
| 16:16.01 | arkanes_ | frankly I'm surprised that one never ended up in wide distribution |
| 16:16.09 | arkanes_ | yoshimo: ah yes |
| 16:16.15 | kadrahil | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:16.16 | Kuosi | wtb death's choice :( |
| 16:16.22 | Kuosi | my pala has it for offspec |
| 16:16.26 | yoshimo | i wont sell it ;) |
| 16:16.33 | kadrahil | our paladin tanks with it |
| 16:17.05 | Kuosi | kadrahil: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vek%27nilash&n=Popsikle |
| 16:17.06 | yoshimo | arkanes, now the real funny things are protected ;( |
| 16:17.08 | Kuosi | tanking heroics with it aswel :P |
| 16:17.19 | Grum | what i really dislike most, and they still arent fixing it, is the major shortage of certain items, cloaks, trinkets, rings, necks etc |
| 16:17.34 | Grum | ~10 specs going for the one odd item every tier just sucks |
| 16:17.43 | yoshimo | i still have the ignis cloak for my paladin ;) |
| 16:17.56 | kadrahil | Kuosi: :D |
| 16:18.04 | Grum | and its the worst for anything which casts shit in cloth |
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| 16:18.10 | Kuosi | my dk needs it for arenas :8 |
| 16:18.17 | Kuosi | but i have such horrible luck on rolls on it |
| 16:18.19 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03Nevcairiel * r708 / (2 files in 1 directory): I made HealComm optional for a reason <.< |
| 16:18.20 | arkanes_ | and then they added cloth without spirit on it |
| 16:18.24 | arkanes_ | so the shamans and pallies want it too! |
| 16:18.30 | Kuosi | and those blue geared rogues taht win it |
| 16:18.35 | Kuosi | wont sell it to me for 10k.. |
| 16:18.40 | Kuosi | whyyy |
| 16:18.41 | Grum | arkanes_: yes, and fucking druids |
| 16:18.53 | arkanes_ | well druids want the cloth *with* spirit as well P |
| 16:18.57 | Grum | yup |
| 16:19.15 | kadrahil | lol druids |
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| 16:19.17 | Grum | on a scale from 1-10 its about 125 annoying ;) |
| 16:19.28 | Grum | even worse is, when a cloth item is actually BiS for a druid O.o |
| 16:19.28 | kadrahil | some guildie wanted a cloth +hit piece on his boomkin from saurfang |
| 16:19.31 | kadrahil | i gave it to a lock instead |
| 16:19.35 | Grum | seriously, blizzard, go go itemization? |
| 16:19.59 | arkanes_ | we're very loose with loot in our guild |
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| 16:20.13 | arkanes_ | open rolls, with the expectation that you'll do the right thing if there's someone for whom its better or needs it more |
| 16:20.25 | arkanes_ | yet another reason I love 10s and dislike 25s |
| 16:20.27 | Grum | arkanes_: we sortof condone the 'wrong armor class' if its actually stupidly good for your class/spec |
| 16:20.51 | arkanes_ | Grum: our boomer was in 90% cloth, leather itemization in toc is pretty bad |
| 16:20.56 | Grum | but its rather shitty to nick a cloth item which many people one and later take a similar leather item on which only you will bid in the first place |
| 16:21.18 | Grum | *one->want .. brainfart |
| 16:21.34 | arkanes_ | it it happens in the same run the guy who won the cloth will trade it |
| 16:21.39 | arkanes_ | but yeah that does suck :( |
| 16:22.11 | Grum | and then especially when it concerns non-tier-item slots |
| 16:23.05 | Grum | ah well, its equally horrible if that player which gets it completely sucks ;) |
| 16:23.47 | arkanes_ | we did an icc25 with another 10 man guild and a few pugs on monday and it really wasn't any fun, even though we cleared the whole place |
| 16:23.59 | Kuosi | it's very stupid that cloth items are being taken by shamans/palas/druids |
| 16:24.07 | Kuosi | when cloth items already have to most needers by far |
| 16:24.22 | Grum | Kuosi: i think its ok if they are actually BiS for that class/spec |
| 16:24.25 | Kuosi | i mean compare avg mages gear level to rogue/plate dps |
| 16:24.28 | arkanes_ | not our fault :( |
| 16:24.42 | arkanes_ | plate itemization is crummy |
| 16:24.53 | kadrahil | not anymore! |
| 16:24.54 | Grum | yeah lol, enh shamans are always fully decked in 258 :) |
| 16:24.59 | kadrahil | cause i can use arpen now \o/ |
| 16:25.03 | Kuosi | Grum: yep |
| 16:25.15 | Kuosi | same with hunters |
| 16:25.15 | Grum | those niche specs should just DIAF |
| 16:25.50 | Grum | ah well at least they took some stupid gear out of the game |
| 16:25.55 | Grum | remember prot-paladin stuff? |
| 16:26.05 | Grum | or retadin stuff :) |
| 16:26.14 | Kuosi | My priest still doesnt have 258 boots or twins normal or hc neck... |
| 16:26.28 | Grum | i still run in 239 boots from Ulduar >< |
| 16:26.35 | pentium166 | no hunter in my raid and the rogue is going daggers for the forseeable future, only thing my shaman has to worry about is ARPEN ON EVERYTHING RARR |
| 16:26.35 | Kuosi | same here |
| 16:26.45 | Kuosi | yogg boots |
| 16:26.46 | Grum | 239 items were amazingly itemized |
| 16:26.47 | Kuosi | they're good |
| 16:26.58 | Grum | and this is why all stuff like gearscore/wow-heroes fail |
| 16:27.02 | Kuosi | there's upgraded yogg boots from icc |
| 16:27.04 | Kuosi | sweeet |
| 16:27.06 | Kuosi | sp+haste+crit |
| 16:27.10 | Kuosi | 2 sockets |
| 16:27.10 | Grum | because they rate i245 stuff above i239 |
| 16:27.12 | arkanes_ | I die a little inside everytime I hear anyone talk about gearscore |
| 16:27.12 | Kuosi | no shit stats |
| 16:27.41 | Grum | arkanes_: its quite hard to explain this to a newbie |
| 16:27.43 | arkanes_ | pentium166: what did they change to make arpen good for shamans? |
| 16:27.47 | pentium166 | nothing |
| 16:27.51 | pentium166 | it's the worst stat still |
| 16:27.51 | Grum | let a alone an ignorant newbie :D |
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| 16:27.58 | arkanes_ | Grum: thankfully as an elitist hardcore raider type I don't have to talk to newbies |
| 16:28.03 | Kuosi | my icc gear by the looks of it is gonna have like 50 spirit in total |
| 16:28.06 | Kuosi | looking gooooooood |
| 16:28.09 | Kuosi | for shadowpriest |
| 16:28.11 | Grum | arkanes_: but your alts have to do pugs ! ;) |
| 16:28.22 | pentium166 | and it's on all the crafted/emblem gear and probably a lot of the drops |
| 16:28.27 | Grum | Kuosi: erm, spirit is fucking good for shadow |
| 16:28.31 | pompellid | my highest item is only 245 and you're moaning? :p |
| 16:28.32 | Kuosi | Grum: no its not |
| 16:28.35 | Grum | 1 spirit == ~0.55 sp |
| 16:28.36 | Kuosi | it's the worst dps stat |
| 16:28.38 | Kuosi | so? |
| 16:28.40 | Kuosi | it's still the worst |
| 16:28.50 | Grum | true that |
| 16:28.55 | Kuosi | so why would u want that |
| 16:28.55 | Grum | but its not *bad* :p |
| 16:29.09 | Kuosi | there's so good items in icc |
| 16:29.12 | Kuosi | that u dont have to take spirit |
| 16:29.17 | Kuosi | like u have to in totc |
| 16:29.26 | Grum | i'm still kinda confused by the jump of Haste O.o |
| 16:29.36 | Grum | it was around 900 when it lost its value right? |
| 16:29.37 | pentium166 | i bet elemental still gets stuck with mp5 gear though |
| 16:29.44 | nevcairiel | they bumped haste on all sets for some reason |
| 16:29.50 | Kuosi | grum no it's actually aroudn 1900 haste rating |
| 16:30.02 | Grum | 1900? with 4pt10? nowai |
| 16:30.04 | Kuosi | it scales pretty linearly all the way to that |
| 16:30.14 | Kuosi | read muqq's post on sp |
| 16:30.18 | Kuosi | there's good graphs for it |
| 16:30.22 | Kuosi | shadowpriest.com that is |
| 16:30.26 | Grum | off the bat haste > sp even |
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| 16:30.35 | Kuosi | depends on ur current haste |
| 16:30.39 | Kuosi | and sp |
| 16:30.45 | Grum | gimme post |
| 16:30.52 | Kuosi | well i cba to look for it |
| 16:30.58 | Grum | pfft ;) |
| 16:31.02 | Kuosi | but in 264 bis gear |
| 16:31.08 | Kuosi | ull end up with bit under 900 haste |
| 16:31.13 | arkanes_ | there's tiering levels to the haste, where you get enough to find more mind flays in |
| 16:31.17 | Grum | so 1150 with proc |
| 16:31.29 | Kuosi | im still not convinced about black magic |
| 16:31.36 | Kuosi | random haste procs are still not that good for sp |
| 16:31.44 | Kuosi | they look better on paper than in practice |
| 16:31.45 | arkanes_ | but now that more dots are hasting it's going to be better overall as well |
| 16:31.49 | Grum | mwha its so-so |
| 16:31.58 | Kuosi | one of the reasons haste is so high now |
| 16:32.03 | Kuosi | is also the bad sp scaling |
| 16:32.03 | Grum | aye on paper its a flat +70 haste |
| 16:32.06 | arkanes_ | I'm not sure when the hasted dot gets the affect of new haste |
| 16:32.15 | Kuosi | mind blast and mind flay have terrible spellcoef |
| 16:32.25 | arkanes_ | GCs post on it re warlocks implied that it only gets re-hasted when it's reapplied |
| 16:32.28 | Kuosi | arkanes_: every tick |
| 16:32.31 | Grum | well MF's coef will be 'fixed' by 4pt10 :) |
| 16:32.37 | Kuosi | or no |
| 16:32.39 | Kuosi | wait not |
| 16:33.17 | arkanes_ | Kuosi: his post in the warlock forums with regards to corruption said it should re-apply "within a tick or 2 of reapplication" |
| 16:33.19 | Kuosi | Grum: yes if t11 gear was to come |
| 16:33.29 | Kuosi | shadowpriest would not be casting mind blast at all |
| 16:33.29 | arkanes_ | Kuosi: which seems to me would have serious implications for shadow priests |
| 16:33.52 | Grum | arkanes_: that would be really good tbh |
| 16:34.14 | Kuosi | if it updates on the go for all sp dots |
| 16:34.16 | Grum | i *hate* having to waste mana to re-apply a dot which is already on the mob so it gets the 'latest' haste |
| 16:34.24 | Kuosi | or both of em that haste affects that is |
| 16:34.45 | arkanes_ | I'm not clear on how it updates for spellpower either to be honest |
| 16:35.11 | nevcairiel | HoTs at least only ever refresh when you re-apply them |
| 16:35.12 | arkanes_ | I know at one time you had to re-apply it if you wanted it to get bonus spellpower, but I don't know if thats true anymore |
| 16:35.16 | nevcairiel | i would wager DoTs work the same |
| 16:35.17 | Grum | yeah |
| 16:35.25 | arkanes_ | ideally, they should recalculate every tick |
| 16:35.27 | Grum | for spriests when your crit changes your dots get updated |
| 16:35.31 | Grum | when your haste changes it doesnt |
| 16:35.34 | Grum | when your sp changes it doesnt |
| 16:35.34 | arkanes_ | but I can see how that wouldn't be viable |
| 16:35.36 | Grum | yay :( |
| 16:35.49 | quiescens | duration would keep changing |
| 16:35.52 | Kuosi | Grum: sw:p only counts the crit once |
| 16:36.00 | Kuosi | then u keep rolling it for the rest of the fight |
| 16:36.02 | Kuosi | it wont update |
| 16:36.07 | nevcairiel | what aspect of dots does your crit chance change? |
| 16:36.15 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: dots can crit now |
| 16:36.19 | arkanes_ | so... the crit chance |
| 16:36.24 | nevcairiel | thats all? nothing more? |
| 16:36.24 | Grum | Kuosi: it will update when you get a crit bonus |
| 16:36.36 | nevcairiel | its obvious that it would check your new crit chance then |
| 16:36.46 | Grum | nevcairiel: it doesnt |
| 16:36.54 | nevcairiel | you said it does |
| 16:37.00 | Grum | yes in certain cases |
| 16:37.02 | quiescens | that sounds unwise if it doesn't |
| 16:37.20 | quiescens | people could use a +crit trinket and then just keep the effect forever |
| 16:37.27 | arkanes_ | same as they can do with haste & sp |
| 16:37.31 | arkanes_ | or could |
| 16:37.33 | nevcairiel | that used to work with spell power back in the day |
| 16:37.37 | nevcairiel | or healing even |
| 16:37.43 | Grum | can you cancel a boomkin aura for example? |
| 16:37.50 | Kuosi | yes actually the crit doesnt work like that anymore |
| 16:37.50 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:37.53 | Grum | if you are standing in range of the boomkin? |
| 16:37.56 | Kuosi | it updates as the dots tick |
| 16:38.01 | quiescens | but they fixed it for spellpower, it seems unlikely that they wouldn't have fixed the crit too |
| 16:38.03 | Grum | and will it re-apply straight after? :D |
| 16:38.04 | Kuosi | but all the % dmg modifiers |
| 16:38.06 | nevcairiel | hm well the boomkin can cancel it =P |
| 16:38.10 | Kuosi | still rollable with sw:p |
| 16:38.11 | nevcairiel | dunno if you can |
| 16:38.17 | Kuosi | because blizz cba to fix the bug |
| 16:38.19 | arkanes_ | I suppose haste would need to be done at reapplication, because otherwise yeah the duration would keep changing |
| 16:38.26 | Grum | arkanes_: so what? |
| 16:38.28 | quiescens | as far as I'm aware |
| 16:38.31 | quiescens | the only things that are rollable |
| 16:38.37 | Grum | imho a dot should be: X ticks of Y dmg |
| 16:38.39 | quiescens | are damage bonuses that are debuffs |
| 16:38.45 | Grum | and the period over which it ticks should be affected by haste |
| 16:38.48 | Grum | no matter what |
| 16:38.49 | quiescens | damage bonusses that are a buff etc, are rechecked |
| 16:38.54 | Kuosi | quiescens: nop |
| 16:38.56 | nevcairiel | It is, but its determined on application |
| 16:39.00 | Grum | quiescens: not sp bonus, only crit |
| 16:39.02 | nevcairiel | which is fine, imho |
| 16:39.05 | arkanes_ | Grum: aura infrastructure isn't designed to handle buffs with durations that dynamically go *down* |
| 16:39.09 | Kuosi | maly sparks, rune of power etc |
| 16:39.15 | Grum | nevcairiel: not if your class rides on dot uptime :) |
| 16:39.16 | Kuosi | you can keep those up forever on sw:p |
| 16:39.21 | Kuosi | if oyu just never let it drop |
| 16:39.30 | Grum | Kuosi: that is not true |
| 16:39.40 | quiescens | isn't that what I just said? |
| 16:40.01 | nevcairiel | Grum: If you cast something, it uses your current sp/haste, it doesnt make sense that it would change the DoTs attributes afterwards .. you casted it already =P |
| 16:40.15 | Kuosi | Grum: which is not true? |
| 16:40.19 | Grum | it makes no sense but it makes it a big pain in the ass ;) |
| 16:40.25 | Grum | Kuosi: you cant keep that +sp up |
| 16:40.31 | Kuosi | who said anything about sp? |
| 16:40.33 | nevcairiel | Besides i like casting stuff HoTs on everyone during trinket usage, and keep the bonus after the trinket expired |
| 16:40.37 | Kuosi | im talking about flat dmg modifiers |
| 16:40.40 | nevcairiel | until the hot expires or is refreshed, of course |
| 16:40.41 | Grum | hmmmm |
| 16:40.42 | quiescens | you can keep damage boost effects that are from *debuffs* |
| 16:40.47 | quiescens | but not from buffs |
| 16:40.49 | Kuosi | % dmg increase |
| 16:40.50 | Grum | Kuosi: that smells like a bug then hehehe |
| 16:40.54 | Kuosi | quiescens: no |
| 16:41.14 | Kuosi | Grum: well that's why it was too powerful to have haste on sw:p |
| 16:41.16 | arkanes_ | Kuosi: you need to re-apply to get the benefit from +damage buffs/debuffs? |
| 16:41.27 | Kuosi | because ppl could just lust at the start and pop engi gloves |
| 16:41.36 | Kuosi | and keep that super hasted sw:p rolling the whole fight |
| 16:41.46 | arkanes_ | right, same deal as warlock hasted corruption |
| 16:41.48 | Grum | Kuosi: ah well i shold stop complaining, the biggest issue i have atm with being spriest is the fact that i can go OOM in seconds when agressively multidotting :) |
| 16:41.50 | Kuosi | arkanes_: yes if you have a sw:p up on targegt |
| 16:41.54 | quiescens | kuosi: ? |
| 16:42.13 | arkanes_ | Kuosi: so that would end up with some pretty major bonuses on fights like maly |
| 16:42.25 | Kuosi | arkanes_: that's what happened yes |
| 16:42.30 | quiescens | on malygos it cuts both ways |
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| 16:42.31 | Kuosi | and same with iron council |
| 16:42.40 | Kuosi | you get dmg % buff |
| 16:42.42 | quiescens | kuosi: no to what? |
| 16:42.46 | Kuosi | you reapply your sw:p |
| 16:42.50 | Kuosi | and keep rolling it |
| 16:42.58 | Kuosi | quiescens: you said you cant keep dmg buffs up |
| 16:43.00 | Kuosi | which is not true |
| 16:43.05 | quiescens | I said |
| 16:43.16 | quiescens | you can keep damage bonuses, that come from an effect that is a debuff |
| 16:43.22 | quiescens | but not from effects that are a buff |
| 16:43.30 | arkanes_ | Kuosi: that implies that, at the start of a fight you should apply sw:p after you stack shadow power then? |
| 16:43.32 | quiescens | which is not the same as saying, you can't keep damage buffs |
| 16:43.43 | Kuosi | arkanes_: that's what shadowpriests have been doing? |
| 16:43.53 | arkanes_ | mines only 60 :P |
| 16:43.54 | Kuosi | you cant cast sw:p before you have 5 stacks of shadow weaving |
| 16:43.59 | quiescens | the damage bonus effects in malygos, etc |
| 16:44.06 | quiescens | are technically a debuff |
| 16:44.09 | quiescens | that gives a damage bonus |
| 16:44.34 | Kuosi | quiescens: im pretty sure rune of power is a buff |
| 16:44.36 | Kuosi | not a debuff? |
| 16:44.54 | Kuosi | or the sun beams at freya's keeper |
| 16:47.45 | quiescens | SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF1300083A900F6FB,"Rune of Power",0xa18,0x0300000000D60259,"*",0x10512,64320,"Rune of Power",0x40,DEBUFF |
| 16:48.20 | Kuosi | ok :o |
| 16:48.49 | Kuosi | is there any dmg buffs that are actually displayed as buffs and not debuffs? |
| 16:50.53 | quiescens | basically that's the only reason those particular effects still work for stacking |
| 16:50.57 | quiescens | er |
| 16:50.59 | quiescens | for rolling a dot |
| 16:51.20 | quiescens | blizzard updates the dots or whatever when you lose a buff |
| 16:51.23 | quiescens | but not when you lose a debuff |
| 16:51.40 | quiescens | I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they change it at some point but for now that's how it is |
| 16:53.15 | Kuosi | who was it that wanted link to muqq's post about haste btw? |
| 16:53.26 | Kuosi | http://www.shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=24846&p=207348#p207348 |
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| 16:54.18 | Kuosi | wasnt quite 1800 |
| 16:54.28 | Kuosi | but not something you will be reaching anyw<y |
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| 16:58.56 | arkanes_ | hmm that implies that tricks/hysteria and such aren't really optimal on a dot class |
| 16:59.40 | Kuosi | hysteria is physical dmg :P |
| 16:59.46 | arkanes_ | is it? |
| 16:59.48 | arkanes_ | well then |
| 16:59.53 | Kuosi | which is why it should always be on feral druid |
| 16:59.53 | arkanes_ | and ranged never get tricks anyway |
| 17:00.20 | arkanes_ | our hunter always complains, but for some reason he never stands 15 yards from the boss so screw him :P |
| 17:00.38 | Kuosi | hunter wanting tricks sounds mad |
| 17:00.43 | Kuosi | they have high threat |
| 17:00.53 | arkanes_ | not really |
| 17:01.01 | Kuosi | maybe later into the fight |
| 17:01.04 | arkanes_ | with md and fd on 30 seconds CDs? |
| 17:01.16 | arkanes_ | I almost always put the first trick on tank |
| 17:01.17 | Kuosi | fd = dmg loss :D |
| 17:01.25 | Kuosi | yeh |
| 17:01.33 | Kuosi | but imagine if all tricks went to hunters |
| 17:01.36 | Kuosi | md is not that much |
| 17:01.39 | arkanes_ | he'd still be fine |
| 17:01.55 | arkanes_ | the threat transferred is affected by the rogues innate threat reduction |
| 17:02.16 | arkanes_ | our top hunter, going full out on a single target, still hovers at maybe 90% of my threat |
| 17:02.22 | arkanes_ | (thats me the tank) |
| 17:02.33 | Kuosi | which class |
| 17:02.39 | Kuosi | u tanking on |
| 17:02.47 | arkanes_ | tricks isn't enough to push him over that cap, especially when I can taunt at 105% and get the threat before he pulls |
| 17:02.48 | arkanes_ | paladin |
| 17:02.56 | Kuosi | ok then there's no problem |
| 17:03.06 | arkanes_ | but thats in my progression tank gear, not my threat gear |
| 17:03.07 | Kuosi | but like dk tanking |
| 17:03.11 | arkanes_ | nobody can even come close in threat gear |
| 17:03.32 | arkanes_ | remember he's MDing to me also |
| 17:03.33 | Kuosi | tho ur quite stupid if ur still tanking serious raids with dk's |
| 17:03.39 | arkanes_ | nah, DKs are fine |
| 17:03.44 | Kuosi | bad threat bad survivability |
| 17:03.48 | Megalon | what is the difference with AotV for hubters then |
| 17:03.59 | Megalon | when you serpent sting with aotv |
| 17:04.12 | Megalon | and switch |
| 17:04.14 | arkanes_ | DK threat is fine too |
| 17:04.16 | Kuosi | ányways gotta run |
| 17:04.18 | Megalon | refresh with chimshot |
| 17:04.20 | arkanes_ | depends on the spec |
| 17:04.29 | Megalon | the sting damage still sucks from aotv -50% :< |
| 17:04.50 | arkanes_ | Megalon: it should update once you swtich auras, because thats a buff change |
| 17:06.00 | arkanes_ | s/auras/apsects/ |
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| 17:13.21 | tim_l | quick question: can there be more than one main tank / main assist set for a raid at a time? |
| 17:13.40 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:13.55 | arkanes_ | depends on what you're talking about |
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| 17:14.08 | arkanes_ | the built in "promote to tank" stuff can have as many as you want |
| 17:14.15 | tim_l | yes, that |
| 17:14.28 | arkanes_ | grammatically of course you can't have more than one "main" tank :P |
| 17:14.36 | tim_l | haha |
| 17:14.37 | arkanes_ | but really that whole idea is pretty outdated imo |
| 17:15.07 | tim_l | so the only limitation is that a single raid member can't be both main tank and main assist? |
| 17:15.24 | tim_l | I assumed so because the interface doesn't allow it |
| 17:18.36 | Zhinjio | ok, this is great: http://bit.ly/4YFP7s (sfw) |
| 17:19.02 | arkanes_ | tee hee! |
| 17:20.06 | tim_l | ah, love xkcd |
| 17:23.28 | Groktar | mage in my guild changed his name from peagle to james |
| 17:23.30 | Groktar | fail, imo |
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| 17:44.54 | yoshimo | im trying to fish in ironforge and keep a low profile with /sleep to they wont see me that easily, but everytime i cast fishing, my character stands up. Can i prevent that? |
| 17:45.31 | steev | Fisker: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/5ioanun926tl5xms/sum/damageDone/?s=31&e=395 SUCK IT |
| 17:46.32 | arkanes_ | yoshimo: macro /cast Fishing and /sleep |
| 17:46.53 | arkanes_ | yoshimo: bearing in mind that "low profile" is pretty useless against anyone who has nameplates on |
| 17:50.40 | Groktar | mmm |
| 17:52.42 | yoshimo | arkanes, every little thing helps, since they removed the secret spot in the wheel ;) |
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| 18:07.14 | winkiller | whel? |
| 18:12.43 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: is there a reason why yssbossloot summons my ghostly skull pet first time I open the map inside a battleground? |
| 18:13.19 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 18:14.37 | Yssaril | KriLL3: kinda (i havent had time to investigate how to make sure that the skull model is loaded into the client) otherwsie it doesnt show up |
| 18:14.58 | Yssaril | summoning the pet was the quick fix at the time |
| 18:15.04 | nevcairiel | what an ugly hack |
| 18:15.13 | Yssaril | i know /cry |
| 18:15.14 | nevcairiel | what if you dont have it? |
| 18:15.23 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: I can't set 2d markers |
| 18:15.39 | Yssaril | it shoudl default to 2d textures |
| 18:15.43 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 18:15.46 | KriLL3 | boxes are cray |
| 18:15.49 | KriLL3 | *gray |
| 18:16.01 | Yssaril | you turn of the 3d one first? |
| 18:16.10 | KriLL3 | well it's kinda annoying to have to dismiss the pet in every bg, specially since I'm stealth |
| 18:16.14 | KriLL3 | can't |
| 18:16.51 | KriLL3 | all boxes in the settings are unticked, except the "realistic" 2d skull, but I still get 3d |
| 18:16.59 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 18:17.07 | KriLL3 | 3d skull and all other skull boxes are unusable |
| 18:17.37 | KriLL3 | can only tick minimap icon, open to current instance and open to currently selected difficulty |
| 18:18.02 | nevcairiel | the pet ui somehow manages to load the models without you summoning the pet |
| 18:18.36 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: yes, though that's blizzard's code |
| 18:18.44 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 18:18.56 | KriLL3 | can't they do stuff you addon devs can't? |
| 18:19.02 | nevcairiel | not much |
| 18:19.09 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 18:19.15 | nevcairiel | they can cast spells, and we can't |
| 18:20.00 | yoshimo | movement also |
| 18:20.15 | KriLL3 | I had a weird issue with an addon that replaced the main menu and put it in titan/fubar/LDB, couldn't cast spells from the spellbook I opened from it |
| 18:20.19 | nevcairiel | I wonder if the movement functions are even protected, or just require hardware events |
| 18:20.38 | KriLL3 | can with the menu BT4 gives me though |
| 18:20.56 | Primer | Hello dear, |
| 18:20.58 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.06 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.10 | Primer | lovely |
| 18:21.32 | Megalon | primer got a date... primer got a date... primer got a date... |
| 18:21.51 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I'd like an addon that lets you point at the map and fly there, though I guess that would be a big no-no, useful for people with flying mounts / flightform that want to get to a specific place while brewing a cup of tea, or visiting the mens room |
| 18:22.42 | Yssaril | KriLL3: i make a waypoint with tomtom and then just point myself in that direction |
| 18:22.43 | yoshimo | KriLL3, movementfunctions are protected , i doubt they will sign your code ;) |
| 18:22.53 | KriLL3 | annoying coming back from what you thought would be something quick to find yourself out of sight of land with fatigue nearly maxed |
| 18:23.04 | Yssaril | KriLL3: so be warnned i have gooten distracted plenty of time and flew of the map and died |
| 18:23.10 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: I do also, and my previous line is the result |
| 18:23.23 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 18:23.24 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: both |
| 18:23.40 | KriLL3 | yoshimo: yeah I know, just something to stop you wouldn't be that bad though right? set autorun in the right direction and stop when you get there or it's to your side |
| 18:23.51 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: thats why the movement pad addon needs to be signed |
| 18:24.25 | KriLL3 | fatigue is lame imo, and it's really hard to get back to your corpse if you die from it |
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| 18:24.56 | Megalon | KriLL3: why? die right on the edge to fatigue again as ghost |
| 18:24.58 | arkanes_ | KriLL3: even if movement wasn't protected, there's no way to get details of world geometry |
| 18:25.01 | Megalon | and your corpse will then spawn there |
| 18:25.07 | KriLL3 | wouldn't an invisible wall be less penalizing? |
| 18:25.08 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: disabled multiselect types should have their checkmarks turn grey in AceConfigDialog |
| 18:25.15 | KriLL3 | though it's a bit more crude perhaps |
| 18:25.25 | arkanes_ | KriLL3: so even back in classic when addons could do movement "run me to X" addons didn't work very well |
| 18:25.29 | Megalon | then there would be someone |
| 18:25.32 | nevcairiel | arkanes_: could always detect when you get fatique and stop there |
| 18:25.35 | Megalon | who whines how unrealistic it is |
| 18:25.42 | Megalon | that there is just an invisible wall |
| 18:25.44 | arkanes_ | is /logout protected? |
| 18:26.00 | arkanes_ | you could write an addon to force quit you if fatigue is detected |
| 18:26.06 | KriLL3 | arkanes_: I'm not asking for it to go over mountains for me, just stop me when I get to a waypoint, easy solution is pointing yourself at an angle upwards, or starting high |
| 18:26.18 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 0.2.2b-2-gba09410 Options.lua: [+1 commit] fix 2/3d skull select |
| 18:26.20 | arkanes_ | KriLL3: well you can't |
| 18:26.23 | pentium166 | can you ever logout instantly while in movement if you're not in a city? |
| 18:26.35 | arkanes_ | there's a "quit" button on the logout screen |
| 18:26.37 | nevcairiel | would probably get you "can't do that while moving" |
| 18:26.39 | KriLL3 | Megalon: can ghosts die from fatigue? |
| 18:26.47 | arkanes_ | although that doesn't actually remove you from the realm until the 20 seconds pass |
| 18:26.49 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: yes, you die again and end up on the graveyard |
| 18:26.51 | arkanes_ | KriLL3: yes |
| 18:26.56 | KriLL3 | I got massive lag in here, anyone else? |
| 18:27.06 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:27.07 | KriLL3 | like 10 lines bursts |
| 18:27.16 | Yssaril | KriLL3: there fixed the skull select issue :) |
| 18:27.44 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: yay |
| 18:27.58 | KriLL3 | so if I set a 2d skull it won't summon the pet in battlegrounds |
| 18:27.59 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 18:28.04 | Yssaril | now to track down how blizzard magicaly loads up the pet |
| 18:28.33 | Megalon | I think Quit() is not protected |
| 18:28.49 | Megalon | as I saw someone who used it to cancel casts in combat through an addon |
| 18:28.50 | Yssaril | KriLL3: (maybe) |
| 18:29.03 | Megalon | and Quit() does that, but there is no popup in combat |
| 18:29.13 | KriLL3 | easy, all you need is a sturdy club, or chloroform and hang around the nearest D&D gaming basement to blizzard's offices |
| 18:29.17 | Megalon | so would be a nice addon |
| 18:29.30 | Megalon | which tracks the distance to a tomtom waypoint |
| 18:29.42 | Megalon | and if it starts to get bigger again |
| 18:29.42 | KriLL3 | Megalon: well direction would be better I think |
| 18:29.45 | arkanes_ | Yssaril: all the blizzard pet UI seems to do is get the creatureID and then CompanionModelFrame:SetCreature |
| 18:29.45 | Megalon | it just Quit() |
| 18:29.46 | KriLL3 | or that |
| 18:29.48 | Megalon | and cancel it |
| 18:29.53 | nevcairiel | tomtom itself tracks the distance :D |
| 18:30.01 | Megalon | than giev option in tomtom |
| 18:30.06 | Megalon | ;x |
| 18:30.19 | Megalon | then it should be even easier ;x |
| 18:30.21 | Yssaril | arkanes_: i know last i tiried it didn;t work though (was on the PTR let me try it again) |
| 18:30.22 | nevcairiel | I'm like 200% positive that wont happen :p |
| 18:30.37 | ckknight | this rogue is so pro |
| 18:30.42 | ckknight | lvl 20 |
| 18:30.46 | nevcairiel | there is a callback for "reached waypoint", but it only fires when you actually hit it |
| 18:30.56 | ckknight | so he has 1 point in every talent |
| 18:30.58 | ckknight | that is, 3/3/3 |
| 18:31.02 | ckknight | and 2 unspent points |
| 18:31.22 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: well hit your waypoint or the directional arrow pointing to the side should work |
| 18:31.41 | KriLL3 | ckknight: in one level he will be 4/4/4 |
| 18:32.20 | KriLL3 | had a weird mage in a HC pug today, all talent points in fire, and all he cast all day was pyroblast |
| 18:32.39 | arkanes_ | heh |
| 18:32.45 | KriLL3 | nice gearscore (5400), lower dps than the "I'm new at this" DK with 2600 gs |
| 18:32.48 | KriLL3 | ebay? =P |
| 18:33.03 | *** join/#wowace kromar (n=Miranda@77-58-238-64.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:33.10 | arkanes_ | grrrr gearscore |
| 18:33.15 | quiescens | gearscore is such a bad indicator, even just for gear |
| 18:33.15 | arkanes_ | slapslap |
| 18:33.16 | kromar | hi |
| 18:33.28 | kromar | can someone explain me why the data i copy on a floppy disk is gone after a reboot? |
| 18:33.29 | KriLL3 | yes it's far from perfect, but it gives a rough esitmation |
| 18:33.32 | quiescens | it tries to weight stats |
| 18:33.33 | kromar | ahh fc |
| 18:33.36 | quiescens | but has bad weighting |
| 18:33.49 | KriLL3 | and yes I can get a lot higher gs by equiping a random collection of stuff that wouldn't be good for anything |
| 18:34.02 | quiescens | i don't think it even looks at gemming or enchants |
| 18:34.03 | KriLL3 | I wish pvp gear had a lot lower score for at least some roles |
| 18:34.07 | KriLL3 | true |
| 18:34.17 | KriLL3 | though enchants are a bit hard to rate |
| 18:34.28 | KriLL3 | mongoose from TBC is the best feral enchant for one |
| 18:34.43 | Primer | it's still a decent indicator as to the potential of the person |
| 18:34.54 | KriLL3 | and my tanking gear has some ilvl 200 items, even a blue trinket since that's what's good for tanking |
| 18:35.09 | ckknight | quiescens: is something else better? |
| 18:35.18 | Primer | like, a full t9.25 DPS (over 5k gear score) doing 3k DPS in a raid |
| 18:35.24 | KriLL3 | ckknight: inspect, though that takes longer granted |
| 18:35.27 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: addon or weighting? |
| 18:35.34 | Arrowmaster | because the weighting is terrible |
| 18:35.36 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/Gear_score |
| 18:35.37 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: either |
| 18:35.49 | arkanes_ | it's easily possibly to put together a high gearscore set that is lower DPS than a lower gearscore one |
| 18:36.03 | KriLL3 | arkanes_: or tanking, as said |
| 18:36.07 | quiescens | prefer just inspect ): |
| 18:36.14 | Arrowmaster | it reminds me of the terrible http://www.wowwiki.com/Agility_equivalence_points that counted crap stats like resistances as being worth points |
| 18:36.19 | Primer | arkanes_: and it's just as easy to put on the right gear, have the righe gems and enchants, and suck |
| 18:36.29 | arkanes_ | it's a terrible indicator of anything, the only thing it's barely useful for is saying "this person has lots of high level raid gear and should be doing better dps" but you can do that with inspect too |
| 18:36.42 | arkanes_ | Primer: sure and gearscore doesn't have anythign to say about that |
| 18:36.53 | genetik- | heh.. is that old tankpoints addon still around? |
| 18:36.56 | quiescens | but as a general rule, I find that people with respectable enchants can do alright even with reasonably low end gear |
| 18:37.10 | Arrowmaster | its really nothing but the item level forumlas, so even though he says it doesnt use the item levels it really does just in a backwards mannar |
| 18:37.13 | quiescens | than anyone that hasn't enchanted their stuff, even if its high end gear |
| 18:37.19 | Primer | arkanes_: nor does inspecting or asking for achievements |
| 18:37.24 | Megalon | haha |
| 18:37.26 | Primer | which happens all the time too |
| 18:37.29 | KriLL3 | I'm not claiming gs is the sole arbiter of a player, but a 5000+ gs dps should do better than a 2000~ |
| 18:37.30 | Megalon | the gearscore formula |
| 18:37.32 | Fisker | awww shit Megalon |
| 18:37.34 | Megalon | just looks like |
| 18:37.36 | Fisker | stay on your motherfucking toes |
| 18:37.38 | Megalon | itemlevel^-1 |
| 18:37.48 | Primer | so gearscore at least allows me to quickly see these things with a mouseover |
| 18:37.51 | arkanes_ | asking for achieves is stupid too |
| 18:38.04 | KriLL3 | arkanes_: especially with alts being so common |
| 18:38.13 | Megalon | it's always nice to have useless information on mouseover |
| 18:38.14 | Primer | see it they at least have some gear from high level raids |
| 18:38.16 | arkanes_ | Primer: perhaps I should say that gearscore proper is not stupid, but rather making any decision based on it is |
| 18:38.25 | Megalon | just look for the obvious caps |
| 18:38.26 | arkanes_ | you can do that with inspect too |
| 18:38.28 | Megalon | the classes have |
| 18:38.35 | KriLL3 | I've done naxx 10 on my old main feral tank in blues, now I got iLVL 245 items, but I don't have achievement, so I don't get to raid |
| 18:38.43 | Megalon | 263/289 hit, expertise for melees etc |
| 18:38.44 | Fisker | you wouldn't KriLL3 |
| 18:38.51 | Fisker | you wouldn't Megalon |
| 18:38.57 | arkanes_ | I just don't raid with people who ask for achieves |
| 18:39.07 | arkanes_ | hardly happens on our server anyway |
| 18:39.09 | Bruners | Fisker: you would |
| 18:39.10 | KriLL3 | arkanes_: that would be everyone on my server =P |
| 18:39.15 | Megalon | woulds Fisker |
| 18:39.24 | Fisker | i would not Bruners |
| 18:39.31 | KriLL3 | anytime anyone asks for people for anything they ask for achi |
| 18:39.55 | Primer | arkanes_: it happens a lot on my server, and when I start my own pug raids (I've run some very successful 25 man pugs), I make it a point that people NOT link me any achievements |
| 18:39.57 | yoshimo | faking achievements is easy *cough* |
| 18:40.22 | Repo | 10guilder: 03onaforeignshore * r86 / (4 files in 1 directory): Added tag 2.0.21 for changeset ddc1678f42bf |
| 18:40.24 | Repo | fixed LibDBIcon, LibGuild, LibSink being a level deeper than specified in libs.xml |
| 18:40.25 | Repo | removed localisation of addon name |
| 18:40.26 | Repo | minor updates |
| 18:40.32 | arkanes_ | it's not really an issue for me |
| 18:40.51 | arkanes_ | I'm in a successful guild, we're reasonably well known and I'm somewhat known in my own right |
| 18:40.57 | Bruners | faking achivements should be bannable |
| 18:41.11 | arkanes_ | faking achieves should be part of the default UI, so people stop asking for htem |
| 18:41.14 | arkanes_ | it's silly |
| 18:41.27 | Whitetooth | lol |
| 18:42.16 | weab | wtf. bannable |
| 18:42.17 | quiescens | lfm patchwerk, pst with achievement |
| 18:42.28 | Fisker | how could you Bruners ? |
| 18:42.30 | weab | you know if they cared that much they could just check armory right |
| 18:42.50 | KriLL3 | funny really, I've watched videos with commentary on all the raid encounters in LK, I've read about them, but I'm less knowledgeable supposedly than a dps:er that spammed random dmg spells at cue, or someone with a bought account |
| 18:43.11 | arkanes_ | I'll killed every boss in wotlk at least a few times |
| 18:43.30 | arkanes_ | but my rogue still doesn't have most of the naxx achieves |
| 18:43.32 | KriLL3 | ah and yes I've got some of those achievements on my old toon |
| 18:43.50 | arkanes_ | I'm not going jump through hoops with some guy putting together a naxx pug |
| 18:44.12 | arkanes_ | if you want to do a pug, get a solid core of people you know and then invite anyone who wants to come |
| 18:44.40 | arkanes_ | if people don't perform, replace them or just deal with it - if you could put together a group of known good players you wouldn't be pugging |
| 18:45.49 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 07master * 0.2.2b-3-g14fd465 Core.lua: [+1 commit] so apprently on live you can display pets without first having to summon them /sigh |
| 18:46.34 | Repo | 10yssbossloot: 03yssaril 040.2.4b * 9067770 /: [new tag] Tagging as 0.2.4b tag dedicated to KriLL3 |
| 18:46.43 | Yssaril | KriLL3: enjoy |
| 18:47.32 | arkanes_ | Yssaril: :( |
| 18:48.00 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.0.3-53-gbb0c07a modules (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Switched to unregistering unit watches rather than a Hide/Show hook because that taints |
| 18:48.12 | Yssaril | arkanes_: sorry next one goes out to you :) |
| 18:48.44 | arkanes_ | I actually had to disable yssbossloot because it was corrupting my zone map |
| 18:48.52 | arkanes_ | I think you fixed that though, I need to update to latest version |
| 18:50.24 | steev | kadrahil: do you guys have an unholy dk/ |
| 18:50.36 | steev | s/\/?/ |
| 18:50.39 | arkanes_ | I keep trying to make our DK go unholy |
| 18:50.47 | arkanes_ | but he's all "no frost is awesome I love frost" |
| 18:51.00 | steev | arkanes_: dw? |
| 18:51.04 | arkanes_ | I think so |
| 18:51.06 | arkanes_ | I don't really pay attention |
| 18:51.11 | Primer | I'm DW and have remained frost |
| 18:51.24 | Primer | but I can't keep up with the unholy ones |
| 18:51.31 | Primer | except my main spec is tank |
| 18:51.42 | steev | Primer: unholy dw? |
| 18:51.49 | steev | supposedly its not competitive anymore |
| 18:52.27 | steev | i wouldn't mind seeing a parse and their spec if they do, dw |
| 18:52.30 | arkanes_ | haha I just checked his armory, it loks like he switched yesterday |
| 18:52.49 | steev | i'm just curious because whats posted to EJ and what i see, are definitely not the same |
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| 18:53.17 | arkanes_ | generally when EJ pepople talk about stuff they're talking about BiS gear only |
| 18:53.35 | arkanes_ | even theoretical not-yet-available BiS gear, rather than optimizing based on what you have |
| 18:53.45 | arkanes_ | it gets a little irritating with rogue stuff, honestly |
| 18:54.08 | arkanes_ | and it contributes heavily to the ever so frustrating "if its not bis its crap" mentality |
| 18:54.08 | steev | The most optimal single target build before 2P T10 and/or several pieces of ICC gear. |
| 18:54.31 | steev | thats the build i'm using - but i don't see the same thing |
| 18:54.40 | steev | Your auto-attack will be the highest percent of your total damage, followed by your Scourge Strike and then your Ghoul. Scourge Strike will be your hardest hitting individual ability, followed distantly by Death Coil and its subsequent Unholy Blight. |
| 18:54.51 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/95zs6qm0e9fmvovj/details/6/ |
| 18:55.15 | steev | my diseases kick the shit out of SS |
| 18:55.37 | arkanes_ | steev: thats including your trash damage |
| 18:55.59 | arkanes_ | steev: and especially for unholy disease is going to dominate any AOE fight |
| 18:56.02 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/95zs6qm0e9fmvovj/details/6/?enc=bosses |
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| 18:56.22 | steev | bosses only - dc still not being distant |
| 18:56.43 | arkanes_ | even thats including a lot of AOE damage |
| 18:56.47 | arkanes_ | look how much wandering plague is |
| 18:57.24 | arkanes_ | I do think this partially demonstrates how single target damage isn't the end word in DPS |
| 18:57.32 | arkanes_ | but if you want to see that you need to look at single target fights |
| 18:57.35 | steev | blergh |
| 18:57.43 | steev | i wish i could tell it to combine the ss shit |
| 18:58.04 | arkanes_ | deathwhisper alone is going to heavily weight your numbers in favor of your trash/aoe damage patterns |
| 18:58.07 | steev | i like that it is seperated out, but at the same time it is annoying when looking at the chart |
| 18:58.17 | steev | arkanes_: meh, i got mc'd a ton :-P |
| 18:58.48 | arkanes_ | and you've also got airship on there, naxx |
| 18:58.57 | arkanes_ | huh no faction champs though? |
| 18:59.01 | arkanes_ | just did first 2 bosses of toc? |
| 18:59.39 | steev | togc |
| 18:59.50 | steev | and no, no faction champs on there |
| 19:00.07 | steev | we've never gotten past them, and we haven't attempted it the past 2 weeks |
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| 19:00.16 | arkanes_ | scourge strike combined would pull up about even with your diseases though |
| 19:00.18 | Primer | steev: no, I was hoping to replace my tanking axe and then make my JB be my DPS weapon |
| 19:00.22 | arkanes_ | they can really suck :( |
| 19:00.37 | steev | Primer: i use the archon glaive for tanking :/ |
| 19:01.08 | arkanes_ | steev: assuming you combine the scourge strike damage, your bosses only log looks pretty consistent with what you pasted |
| 19:01.11 | Primer | That Brimtol, the Bone Arbiter dropped when I was tanking for guild...except I had no chance on it as my DK is an alt...no matter that he's the best geared toon in the guild (which is rapidly falling apart) |
| 19:01.23 | Primer | I was the only DK tank too...and it went to a DPS |
| 19:01.43 | steev | well, apparently its "bis" |
| 19:01.55 | steev | we've yet to see one, however we have seen 2 deathbringer's will |
| 19:02.04 | Primer | we've had one drop on every run |
| 19:02.17 | steev | which is 2 more times than we've seen death's verdict |
| 19:02.57 | Primer | My ToC 25 pug, which I ran for close to 3 months, saw DV drop at least 5 times |
| 19:03.12 | Primer | it was almost going to OS |
| 19:03.24 | Primer | just about everyone that wanted it had it |
| 19:03.31 | Repo | 10sraidframes: 03stolenlegacy * r709 sRaidFrames.lua: |
| 19:03.33 | Repo | Counter no longer sometimes displays "0" when duration > 10. |
| 19:03.34 | Repo | Fixed a typo. |
| 19:04.11 | arkanes_ | Shadowed: whats the chance of getting an out-of-range indicator instead of just alpha? |
| 19:04.19 | Shadowed | 0 |
| 19:04.20 | Primer | steev: so that's bis for what? |
| 19:04.24 | arkanes_ | :( |
| 19:04.26 | Primer | tank? |
| 19:04.33 | steev | bryntoll? dps |
| 19:04.39 | Primer | how so? |
| 19:04.42 | Primer | it has no stats |
| 19:04.50 | Primer | other than the str/stam |
| 19:04.56 | arkanes_ | bryntroll is a dps weapon, obviously |
| 19:05.04 | arkanes_ | a tank would use it as a threat weapon |
| 19:05.07 | steev | Bryntroll confirmed as BiS relative to equal ilvl competitiors (including Shadow's Edge). |
| 19:05.15 | Shadowed | You could make a custom tag that hooked into LibRangeCheck-2.0 pretty easily |
| 19:05.18 | arkanes_ | it's nowhere near BiS for tanking survivability |
| 19:05.21 | Shadowed | but I don't like LRC so I wouldn't be doing it |
| 19:05.28 | arkanes_ | Shadowed: k |
| 19:05.43 | arkanes_ | Shadowed: I was actually looking for a graphical indicator, I'll see about doing a plugin |
| 19:05.54 | Shadowed | graphical wouldn't be that hard either |
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| 19:07.21 | Megalon | Primer: the proc from bryn |
| 19:07.24 | Megalon | procs from everything |
| 19:07.28 | Megalon | except sitting down |
| 19:07.32 | Fisker | whoa |
| 19:07.36 | Fisker | free boatride for three |
| 19:07.37 | Megalon | sits down on Fisker |
| 19:07.45 | Primer | So would that not make it a nice tank weapon too? |
| 19:07.52 | arkanes_ | a threat weapon sure |
| 19:07.54 | Primer | considering what DK tanks use for weapons |
| 19:08.50 | Primer | and does the proc heal you, or just take away target HP? |
| 19:09.02 | Fisker | don't encourage tanks Primer |
| 19:09.05 | Fisker | i want it for my rogue |
| 19:09.09 | Fisker | if we're talking about the same weapon |
| 19:09.17 | Primer | no, it's a 2 handed axe |
| 19:09.53 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:10.06 | Fisker | 2handed dk tanks lol! |
| 19:10.38 | genetik- | did a 5man random pug with one of those last night.. he was pretty terrible |
| 19:11.02 | genetik- | dual whateverthehell mace from 10man ulduar |
| 19:11.17 | arkanes_ | Primer: self healing, especially random proc based self healing, is not a very good thing |
| 19:13.59 | Yssaril | arkanes_: yea the zone map tainting thing should be fixed for quite a while now |
| 19:14.12 | steev | Primer: i'd rather have the weapon from 10 man saurfang for tanking |
| 19:14.15 | arkanes_ | I was midraid and didn't have time to update |
| 19:14.27 | arkanes_ | I will test again this evening |
| 19:14.56 | steev | arkanes_: i thought it takes the health away from the mob and heals you for it |
| 19:15.19 | arkanes_ | steev: sure, but thats not really a useful thign for tanks |
| 19:15.51 | steev | i could see that being a bad thing with it proccing a few seconds into a fight |
| 19:16.07 | steev | although i don't tend to have any threat issues when i'm tanking |
| 19:16.30 | steev | except those f'n warriors that insist on charging and whirlwinding when i've decided to start the pull while dnd is still on cd |
| 19:20.20 | KriLL3 | HoR HC: Me: "stand in corner *puts down camp fire to mark it*" Them: "LoS tactic is boring, lets go *starts the fight*" |
| 19:20.27 | KriLL3 | wipe on third wave |
| 19:20.57 | KriLL3 | second try using LoS tactic it was simple, sure a lot of dmg but most of it on me |
| 19:21.34 | KriLL3 | spell dmg curse + 2x mage + hallucinations / 2x zerking footmen = ouch |
| 19:22.09 | KriLL3 | "it's a HC" all HCs aren't equal, most of them are cakewalks where you can pull 2-3 groups np and AoE them down, HoR isn't one of them |
| 19:22.41 | aestil | what is 'HC'? |
| 19:22.58 | quiescens | in the context one would assume heroic |
| 19:23.03 | KriLL3 | heroic |
| 19:23.04 | aestil | oh. |
| 19:23.12 | aestil | i've never seen that. |
| 19:23.17 | quiescens | same |
| 19:23.19 | KriLL3 | standard acronym for it |
| 19:23.21 | KriLL3 | well on my server at least |
| 19:23.22 | aestil | yeah, H.HoR is pretty difficult. |
| 19:23.27 | genetik- | that's not an acronym :P |
| 19:23.31 | Repo | 10syncfriends (experimental): 03Subdino * r90 SyncFriends.toc: Interface version bump. |
| 19:23.34 | quiescens | we just prepend things with the letter h |
| 19:23.37 | aestil | [standard way of refering to heroic dungeon] |
| 19:23.47 | KriLL3 | genetik-: well it's kinda, don't know the proper word for it |
| 19:23.56 | KriLL3 | quiescens: never seen that |
| 19:23.58 | Aeyan | I've also seen a handful of servers that use HC, hehe |
| 19:24.00 | genetik- | i just spell out "heroic" |
| 19:24.07 | genetik- | since 4 extra letters aren't hard at all |
| 19:24.17 | KriLL3 | no, but "HC" is standard, people expect to see it |
| 19:24.19 | Aeyan | Yeah, the three servers I've played on all use H <insert name> |
| 19:24.31 | KriLL3 | you look weird saying "heroic" |
| 19:24.40 | Aeyan | I wouldn't call it standard |
| 19:24.43 | Aeyan | Very few servers use it |
| 19:25.00 | genetik- | i think what annoys me even more is when someone refers to non-heroic 25man ToC as ToGC |
| 19:25.05 | KriLL3 | people whined when I used an addon that expands all accronyms/shorthands etc to proper words/sentences in English |
| 19:25.08 | aestil | the other day did H.HoR with my wife on her alt DK tank, and we had a pretty poorly geared drood as tank. |
| 19:25.09 | Aeyan | *anecdotal |
| 19:25.10 | KriLL3 | Aeyan: all I'm on |
| 19:25.18 | aestil | some wipes, thats for sure, but we got through it. |
| 19:25.29 | KriLL3 | aestil: did you use LoS tactic? |
| 19:25.31 | aestil | the main thing you need is DPS to be very focused on a kill order. |
| 19:25.34 | aestil | yes. |
| 19:25.45 | quiescens | you need the tank to be good and/or the dps to be willing to pay attention |
| 19:25.47 | KriLL3 | kk, and yes I got a keybind to set skull |
| 19:25.55 | aestil | just marked a skull killing priest, then mage, then hunter etc. |
| 19:26.07 | aestil | the faster you burn the mobs, the easier it becomes to heal. |
| 19:26.16 | aestil | every mob you kill increases your chance to make it through that wave. |
| 19:26.22 | KriLL3 | doesn't hurt if you got some CC also, stuns and slows work, and you can interrupt casts |
| 19:26.25 | aestil | if you can kill 2 pretty quickly, then you're almost golden. |
| 19:26.40 | KriLL3 | though the rogue in the run I just did didn't even stun the mage he was hitting... |
| 19:26.50 | KriLL3 | nice gear, but I did about 1.5x more dmg as tank |
| 19:26.53 | aestil | yeah, we didn't do any CC exepct i would throw the Warlock AoE stun to halt the intial cast/dps after they all got to us. |
| 19:27.15 | aestil | the new dungeon system is great, but its astounding how bad some people are. |
| 19:27.24 | aestil | I did a Gundrak where a rogue averaged 600 dps on bosses. |
| 19:27.29 | KriLL3 | important to stun the zerking footmen also, they hit like trucks loaded with depleted uranium |
| 19:27.56 | KriLL3 | aestil: yeah, and I've had some blue geared "I'm new at this" bodypulling/questdoing/simply lost people |
| 19:28.04 | KriLL3 | and you can't kick em for the first 15 mins |
| 19:28.08 | aestil | right, but 600 dps? |
| 19:28.30 | aestil | we cleared the instance with him, since it was gundrak and we could have 3 manned it in our 245 + iLevel gear. |
| 19:28.35 | KriLL3 | aestil: paraplegic playing with his tongue? |
| 19:28.35 | aestil | but 600 dps on a boss? |
| 19:28.39 | aestil | perhaps. |
| 19:28.41 | aestil | or 8 year old. |
| 19:28.46 | Ingela | anyone know if there's some addon that tracks reputation gained per hour? like the normal one xp/hour but rep/hour ? |
| 19:28.57 | KriLL3 | aestil: yeah I don't mind crap players in most heroics, me + healer would be enough |
| 19:29.01 | Aeyan | Just did some research |
| 19:29.03 | aestil | we just didn't say anything and finished it up. |
| 19:29.12 | Aeyan | Seems like "HC" is common on the european servers |
| 19:29.24 | KriLL3 | only thing I've seen on EU servers |
| 19:29.33 | aestil | i do a 2 hour a week 10 man now, and we tried to get the lady deathwhisper achievement. |
| 19:29.36 | quiescens | we had a hunter that was meleeing |
| 19:29.42 | KriLL3 | guess wow got some region specific jargon |
| 19:29.46 | aestil | got prettyclose before we had to move on to clear the instance in time. |
| 19:29.49 | quiescens | and a warlock that did less than the tank and then started just meleeing on the last boss |
| 19:30.01 | quiescens | one paladin dps that was actually dpsing |
| 19:30.04 | aestil | anyone do that achievement yet? |
| 19:30.09 | quiescens | how does the vote to kick thing work? |
| 19:30.16 | KriLL3 | quiescens: perhaps he got oom and couldn't find his hp -> mana button? |
| 19:30.17 | aestil | where you have to have 1 of each of the 5 mobs up when you kill her? |
| 19:30.23 | quiescens | is it um, unanimous or majority? |
| 19:30.28 | KriLL3 | quiescens: I think 3 need to agree |
| 19:30.32 | KriLL3 | majority I think |
| 19:30.37 | quiescens | should have just voted them out |
| 19:30.46 | quiescens | hunter was meleeing the entire instance |
| 19:30.50 | KriLL3 | always had it go though, but you need to wait 15mins after entering to kick sadly |
| 19:30.57 | aestil | only did that once for a really bad healer that was preventing us from killing trash. |
| 19:31.02 | KriLL3 | even if it's a retard that isn't even joining the instance |
| 19:31.09 | aestil | in pit of saron. |
| 19:31.20 | KriLL3 | "how entar instance?" |
| 19:31.24 | KriLL3 | saw him fly towards the instance |
| 19:31.35 | arkanes_ | aestil: a bunch of people on our server have done it |
| 19:31.35 | KriLL3 | he seemed completely oblivious to the minimap icon |
| 19:31.39 | quiescens | they were in the same guild |
| 19:31.46 | quiescens | people just being idiots |
| 19:31.53 | quiescens | I should have just let them both die on the last boss |
| 19:31.56 | arkanes_ | aestil: I haven't personally, but it's really only hard if you get unlucky with a last minute transform |
| 19:32.06 | Axodious | is orc axe spec not included in the paperdoll? |
| 19:32.11 | aestil | i know a bunch of people in my guild have done it, i was just wondering if there were any tips on how to transition to phase 2 |
| 19:32.13 | KriLL3 | yeah if some in the pug are from the same guild I don't think it's possible to vote em out |
| 19:32.13 | arkanes_ | Axodious: it si |
| 19:32.16 | arkanes_ | *is |
| 19:32.17 | quiescens | paladin was doing a reasonable 4k or so |
| 19:32.21 | quiescens | warlock was doing, 2dps |
| 19:32.25 | Axodious | if i take off my axe it doesn't adjust |
| 19:32.34 | arkanes_ | Axodious: actually I take that back, I might be wrong. Talents are. |
| 19:32.41 | aestil | we were debating on whether we should just dps the mana sheild almost all the way down, and then ignore her shield while we then focus on stacking the correct mobs. |
| 19:32.46 | KriLL3 | do feral tanks deal a lot of dmg or why am I usually #2 on recount? |
| 19:32.52 | aestil | and then be able to trick it easly. |
| 19:32.57 | aestil | yes, feral tanks do a lot of damage. |
| 19:33.00 | quiescens | because people are: a) horrible |
| 19:33.02 | quiescens | and b) lazy |
| 19:33.03 | aestil | also in 5 mans tanks do a lot of damage. |
| 19:33.06 | quiescens | and c) lazy |
| 19:33.10 | quiescens | and d) lazy |
| 19:33.17 | KriLL3 | aestil: ah, 3 target mangle during zerk + 2 target maul + infi target swipe = dmg |
| 19:33.19 | aestil | its pretty common for things not to even live long enough to do any real damage to them. |
| 19:33.47 | KriLL3 | yeah my destro warlock brother is having problems getting enough casts in |
| 19:33.49 | quiescens | 90% of the time its just because people are too lazy to actually dps properly |
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| 19:34.10 | quiescens | people that start attacking like 10s into the pull |
| 19:34.14 | KriLL3 | quiescens: doesn't most dps classes/specs just need 3-10 buttons hit in order more or less? |
| 19:34.20 | quiescens | take 5 seconds to switch to the next target after the first target dies |
| 19:34.22 | arkanes_ | depends |
| 19:34.32 | arkanes_ | for most classes theres not a rotation so much as a priority |
| 19:34.43 | KriLL3 | quiescens: better than some warriors I've run with, *CHARGE* *SWEEPING* *BLADESTORM* first second in a pull I did with fearie fire to pull em back |
| 19:34.50 | quiescens | krill3: I don't mean people not knowing how to dps, but people like |
| 19:35.00 | quiescens | what I said just before |
| 19:35.09 | arkanes_ | but I mean if you're going to be pedantic you can reduce all of wow to "push 3-10 buttons in order more or less" |
| 19:35.28 | arkanes_ | I don't tolerate silly dps in my 5 mans |
| 19:35.29 | KriLL3 | "zomg tank/healer" is their comment when they die horribly since my aoe taunt is on cooldown from their last stunt |
| 19:35.34 | quiescens | like they don't bother getting in there to dps quickly enough |
| 19:35.55 | arkanes_ | I can solo most of the heroics and with a healer behind me we can duo all of them, the dps are just there to speed up the run |
| 19:36.10 | arkanes_ | so if you don't like the way I pull or anythign else, you can go queue for another tank |
| 19:36.15 | onaforeignshore | @project savedinstances |
| 19:36.15 | Repo | onaforeignshore: No project found that matches 'savedinstances' |
| 19:36.20 | KriLL3 | I think I could solo most of it, except encounters with too many spellcasters |
| 19:36.22 | onaforeignshore | @project SavedInstances |
| 19:36.23 | Repo | onaforeignshore: No project found that matches 'savedinstances' |
| 19:36.31 | KriLL3 | most physical bosses hit me for 2k |
| 19:36.37 | KriLL3 | imp lotp heals more than that |
| 19:36.42 | arkanes_ | tank and healer set the pace for the run |
| 19:36.53 | Ingela | anyone know if there's some addon that tracks reputation gained per hour? like the normal one xp/hour but rep/hour? :) sorry for re-ask! |
| 19:37.08 | arkanes_ | if I'm pulling too slow for you because I'm on the phone or whatever, and you decide you're going to run ahead and pull? |
| 19:37.20 | arkanes_ | too bad, all thats going to happen is you're going to die and not get rezzed |
| 19:37.32 | KriLL3 | I had a healer in really nice gear today in UP, was a proper bastard, spent most of his time dps:ing and whining about the slow pace, a slow pace I put because I wasn't confident that the "healer" would actually heal me |
| 19:37.44 | KriLL3 | that priest PULLED |
| 19:37.47 | KriLL3 | multiple times |
| 19:37.58 | arkanes_ | I'll dps in heroics |
| 19:38.10 | KriLL3 | that's fine, but not when I'm dying |
| 19:38.16 | arkanes_ | exactly because well geared tanks require such little healing |
| 19:38.25 | KriLL3 | I died 4 times that run, all of them very slowly while he was dpsing |
| 19:38.35 | KriLL3 | he had ages to heal me |
| 19:38.38 | arkanes_ | hah I used to run with a holy priest that would let me die and GS me at the last second |
| 19:38.46 | arkanes_ | yeah thats the kind of guy you need to kick |
| 19:39.02 | quiescens | its okay, I've been healer, tank, melee dps, ranged dps, and i've played classes with pets so I know how annoying various things can be |
| 19:39.32 | Ingela | you haven't been a melee healer then! |
| 19:39.38 | KriLL3 | it's agony for a tank to slowly die while the healer is indulging his need to be above the bottom on dps meters |
| 19:40.00 | arkanes_ | I'll let them drop low and then blow a cooldown to fill them up |
| 19:40.06 | arkanes_ | but if you actually died, yeah, he's fucking up |
| 19:40.10 | KriLL3 | or slowly die from trash while the healer sits idle to regen mana with a full mana bar |
| 19:40.16 | arkanes_ | and if it happens more than once? it's a healer on an ego trip, kick him |
| 19:40.29 | quiescens | I tried dpsing when I'm not healing |
| 19:40.30 | quiescens | but |
| 19:40.35 | quiescens | something always *happens* |
| 19:40.47 | quiescens | someone pulls aggro or aggros an extra pack |
| 19:40.50 | KriLL3 | my survival insticts/frenzied regen fingers twitch when I drop bellow 6k hp~ |
| 19:41.03 | KriLL3 | don't want to waste em on trash |
| 19:41.32 | KriLL3 | but a lot of healers seems to think it's fine to heal as late as possible with a slow cast heal for mana efficiency, even if their mana bar is full |
| 19:41.55 | pentium166 | are you a night elf? should hit shadowmeld and be like "i don't know what happened" |
| 19:41.57 | KriLL3 | tauren sadly |
| 19:42.08 | KriLL3 | old feral tank main was NE though, and yes I did that |
| 19:42.18 | quiescens | occasional bad healer |
| 19:42.24 | quiescens | bad dps much more often thoughs |
| 19:42.40 | KriLL3 | true, but most encounters bad dps doesn't matter |
| 19:42.44 | KriLL3 | well in HCs at least |
| 19:42.50 | quiescens | i just, don't like it |
| 19:42.52 | KriLL3 | no time limit on bosses etc |
| 19:43.04 | KriLL3 | heh I'm not too fond of being #2 on dps meter either |
| 19:43.18 | quiescens | I don't care if they don't do great dps, as long as they are doing what they can |
| 19:43.19 | KriLL3 | with a rogue in ToC 25 / ICC 10 gear near bottom |
| 19:43.26 | quiescens | its the ones that are well geared |
| 19:43.37 | quiescens | but just don't do anything because they're being lazy |
| 19:43.45 | quiescens | when dpsing is already the easiest for the most part |
| 19:43.49 | KriLL3 | I guess some raiders in nice gear don't make a proper effort in HCs |
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| 19:44.02 | KriLL3 | since they know they don't really have to |
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| 19:44.15 | quiescens | elitist |
| 19:44.26 | KriLL3 | dps that is |
| 19:44.38 | KriLL3 | tank/healer usually has to stay alert |
| 19:45.03 | KriLL3 | I've done HoR HC twice today, man that's exhausting, main issue with it is that failing is so damn bad, you need to re-do a lot if you wipe |
| 19:45.12 | pentium166 | dps requires more effort for me unless there's a lot of damage going around |
| 19:45.16 | KriLL3 | so you're nervous |
| 19:45.20 | pentium166 | because i actually have to push buttons |
| 19:46.38 | KriLL3 | I'm not sure how "easy" dps is, since my only chars at 80 are feral druids |
| 19:46.48 | KriLL3 | and feral druids have a murderous dps "rotation" |
| 19:46.54 | KriLL3 | a lot of buttons |
| 19:47.13 | KriLL3 | my brother has a hunter though, and it looks like he's just hitting buttons when cooldowns end |
| 19:47.23 | KriLL3 | and he does quite decent dps |
| 19:48.23 | KriLL3 | my brother exclaims when he sees my hands when I play, he's characterized it as "a crazed Japanese robot trying to kill a typewriter" |
| 19:48.29 | Aeyan | For most DPS nowadays it's just a priority rotation, or first-come-first-serve |
| 19:48.40 | pentium166 | in heroics that's basically what enhancement comes down to, but we don't have many free GCDs |
| 19:49.10 | KriLL3 | feral has next to no white dmg, we're always pushing buttons |
| 19:49.21 | quiescens | that's not entirely true |
| 19:49.28 | quiescens | they still do respectable white damage |
| 19:50.01 | quiescens | and you aren't always pressing buttons, there's quite a lot of time waiting for energy for rogues/cats |
| 19:50.12 | KriLL3 | 615-639 dmg on a 1 sec swing |
| 19:50.34 | KriLL3 | it's that very low? |
| 19:50.40 | KriLL3 | *isn't |
| 19:50.45 | quiescens | its just, complicated, because of juggling the buff and various debuffs |
| 19:50.54 | quiescens | as well as combo points |
| 19:51.03 | KriLL3 | yeah and the randomness of crit/ooc proc etc |
| 19:51.05 | quiescens | also 615 sounds a bit low |
| 19:51.17 | KriLL3 | that's in fairly nice dps gear |
| 19:51.26 | KriLL3 | mostly T9 |
| 19:52.10 | KriLL3 | 7510 ap 51% crit 4663 gs, though I don't ever go as dps, I use my old tanking gear re-gemmed & enchanted for dps/soloing/questing etc |
| 19:52.11 | quiescens | still, if you go by that |
| 19:52.43 | quiescens | you're technically meleeing for closer to 800 |
| 19:52.48 | quiescens | per second |
| 19:52.59 | KriLL3 | yeah if you take crit into account |
| 19:53.17 | quiescens | taking savage roar into account |
| 19:53.20 | KriLL3 | drdmg says 839 |
| 19:53.45 | quiescens | anyway, back to the point |
| 19:54.05 | quiescens | if shred does lets say 5k non crit |
| 19:54.30 | quiescens | that technically doesn't work out to that much more than the white melee |
| 19:54.40 | KriLL3 | true I guess |
| 19:54.42 | quiescens | because a shred costs 4.2s worth of energy |
| 19:54.51 | KriLL3 | or nothing if you got ooc |
| 19:54.53 | quiescens | its just, people think of it as more because its one big number |
| 19:56.12 | KriLL3 | true, I shunned rake since I considered it low dmg, but it's actually more dmg than most of my attacks for less energy, it's just over time |
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| 20:04.03 | quiescens | in the long term melee still ends up around 30% and should be at or near the top of the list I think |
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| 20:06.57 | Megalon | autoattack is about 1/3 of cat's dps |
| 20:07.16 | Megalon | shred being a bit behind |
| 20:07.23 | quiescens | I said 30% o.o |
| 20:07.27 | quiescens | close enough~ |
| 20:07.29 | Megalon | rip+rake adding up to nearly 30% too |
| 20:08.00 | Megalon | that is with good enough gear to press in some ferocious bites |
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| 20:11.31 | KriLL3 | yeah I FB if I got long duration on SR and Rip |
| 20:14.33 | yoshimo | can someone tell me what the ace2comm hash for "CooldownTimers2" is? |
| 20:20.42 | sztanpet | why doesnt /readycheck work sometimes? |
| 20:21.23 | Xinhuan | doesn't work? |
| 20:24.34 | ckknight | worst group ever. I'm a resto druid, and I was doing wailing caverns with a PUG. A pally and warrior both thought they could be tanks, were horrible at it. Their talents were horrible, their gear, the pally didn't know what Righteous Fury was, and I (out of bear form) had more HP than them. |
| 20:24.51 | ckknight | Eventually, I started both tanking and healing the group |
| 20:25.44 | ckknight | was able to complete it |
| 20:25.46 | ckknight | but oh god |
| 20:26.03 | ckknight | also, they didn't want to follow me since none of them knew where to go, but I did |
| 20:26.12 | ckknight | and they wouldn't pay attention to the raid target icons |
| 20:26.14 | ckknight | *shudder* |
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| 20:30.19 | sztanpet | yea Xinhuan no error nothin, iv got assist |
| 20:30.35 | Xinhuan | you can't do an ready check if another one is already in progress |
| 20:30.55 | sztanpet | there wasnt any in progress, and i get an error if there is another in progress |
| 20:31.49 | Axodious | i know ora was messing up readychecks for a while but it's fixed now |
| 20:32.58 | sztanpet | i do have ora3 |
| 20:33.15 | Stanzilla | ckknight: sounds like fun |
| 20:34.23 | kadrahil | steev: we have like 4 |
| 20:39.39 | KriLL3 | ckknight: I don't go dungeons until max level for that very reason, either they're new and suck (which is understandable) or it's an alt and they don't have a clue how to play em in an instance yet |
| 20:39.52 | ckknight | well, I have a pally that's lvl 27 |
| 20:39.56 | ckknight | and running him is great |
| 20:39.59 | ckknight | because I always play tank |
| 20:40.08 | arkanes_ | assists can't do ready checks any more, only the raid leader |
| 20:40.20 | KriLL3 | well a tank that knows his job can go with a bunch of facerollers |
| 20:40.28 | Repo | 10lib-st: 03ddumont 04v3.7 * r135 : Tagging as v3.7 |
| 20:40.33 | ckknight | KriLL3: *thumbs up* |
| 20:41.14 | Repo | 10postal: 03Xinhuan * r280 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:41.16 | Repo | Add option to ignore randoms you interacted with for auto-complete in Blackbook. |
| 20:41.34 | KriLL3 | lol just did HoS, now I'm in old kingdom |
| 20:42.31 | kadrahil | ok |
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| 20:53.21 | Repo | - completely disable boss detection for the time being, not working right |
| 20:53.22 | Repo | - final missing localised strings fixed (hopefully) |
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| 21:02.58 | KriLL3 | they should move the quest for last boss in old kingdom to inside the instance imo |
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| 21:03.20 | KriLL3 | also, why are about half my runs old kingdom / hos? |
| 21:11.32 | kadrahil | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:11.38 | kadrahil | KriLL3: because it's random |
| 21:12.30 | Fisker | you wouldn't KriLL3 |
| 21:12.32 | Fisker | or kadrahil |
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| 21:13.01 | kadrahil | wat |
| 21:13.54 | Fisker | oh u |
| 21:14.42 | kadrahil | hai |
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| 21:17.38 | Xinhuan | sigh |
| 21:17.45 | Xinhuan | i actually get tickets about omen being out of date |
| 21:17.54 | Xinhuan | are users dumb |
| 21:18.05 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 21:18.19 | Xinhuan | did u ever figure out your rhsNode bug? |
| 21:18.42 | Shefki | ? |
| 21:18.51 | Xinhuan | oh nvm, wrong person |
| 21:19.02 | Xinhuan | well i suppose i'll just tag omen, since there were quite a number of ace3 lib updates |
| 21:19.33 | Shefki | Xinhuan: I assume you didn't mind that I did some art work on GatherMate. |
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| 21:19.45 | Xinhuan | artwork? |
| 21:20.01 | Shefki | Finally made real icons for Northrend gas clouds. |
| 21:20.15 | Xinhuan | generally while i wrote half of the core gathermate, i'm not actually maintaining it, kagaro is |
| 21:20.16 | Shefki | They'd been using the TBC ones since I added the support in beta. |
| 21:20.42 | Xinhuan | so you should bug him hehe |
| 21:20.50 | KriLL3 | Fisker: yes, very random, same way it felt very random to do 43 ToC HC runs to get my damn stick |
| 21:21.08 | KriLL3 | wish blizz put in some algorithm to try and make the spread even |
| 21:21.20 | KriLL3 | I know that's not strictly speaking random though |
| 21:21.35 | Shefki | Who's to say it isn't even and you've just got shitty luck? |
| 21:21.46 | Xinhuan | nah, he does maintain it |
| 21:21.47 | KriLL3 | heard the same from a lot of people |
| 21:21.57 | Xinhuan | he also has a kron job updating gathermate_data |
| 21:22.00 | Xinhuan | on a weekly basis |
| 21:22.02 | KriLL3 | HoS, CoS and old kingdom |
| 21:22.25 | Shefki | Honestly, I think Blizzard wants some items to be rarer than others. |
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| 21:23.31 | Xinhuan | they need to make trinkets drop on a higher % |
| 21:23.41 | KriLL3 | though strictly speaking I have to admit you tend to remember the sucky instances more... |
| 21:23.42 | Xinhuan | they are like the hardest piece to get |
| 21:23.47 | Shefki | Xinhuan: I agree. |
| 21:23.54 | KriLL3 | so people remember the annoying ones |
| 21:24.03 | KriLL3 | though I've actually only had 2 occulus runs since 3.3 |
| 21:24.48 | KriLL3 | haven't had any VH or the first 2 new ones, last one I get a lot though |
| 21:25.00 | KriLL3 | and one UK and one UP |
| 21:25.03 | Xinhuan | so i'm on alliance |
| 21:25.12 | Xinhuan | and someone put up a horde Battered Hilt on the AH |
| 21:25.18 | Xinhuan | i wonder which fool will buy it |
| 21:25.41 | KriLL3 | eh? someone sold it on the neutral AH? |
| 21:25.47 | Xinhuan | apparently |
| 21:25.50 | KriLL3 | and someone bought it there? |
| 21:25.55 | KriLL3 | on wrong faction |
| 21:25.56 | Xinhuan | cos i'm seeing a horde-only hilt on the alliance AH |
| 21:26.42 | Repo | 10omen-threat-meter: 03Xinhuan 07master * v3.0.8-4-g9f3e83e Omen.toc: [+1 commit] Update TOC and version. |
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| 21:30.12 | KriLL3 | about as sensible as selling wrong faction mounts on AH |
| 21:30.19 | KriLL3 | seen that |
| 21:32.24 | KriLL3 | ... really nice upgrading your PvP gear, it's slightly different color and it's repeated in places making it look a bit bigger |
| 21:32.36 | KriLL3 | blizzard's art team are very lazy |
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| 21:36.44 | KriLL3 | even better that the helmet's eye holes don't line up with my eyes... I ZEE NATHING! |
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| 21:39.53 | yoshimo | my paladins hair wasnt covered completely by the helmet , it looked strange |
| 21:42.03 | KriLL3 | looks like I have no eyes, the holes are over my eyelids not my eyes =P |
| 21:42.33 | KriLL3 | my brother's orc's teeth stick through most helmets, same as my huge NE ears did on my old char |
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| 21:50.44 | Fisker | btw ckknight |
| 21:50.46 | Fisker | sc2 beta |
| 21:50.50 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:50.53 | ckknight | gimmeh |
| 21:51.07 | Fisker | i did it for the lulz ckknight |
| 21:51.14 | ckknight | noes |
| 21:51.24 | Fisker | indeed |
| 21:51.35 | Megalon | oh |
| 21:51.37 | Megalon | Fisker again |
| 21:51.41 | Megalon | having his funny 5minutes |
| 21:52.00 | Fisker | oh |
| 21:52.02 | Fisker | Megalon again |
| 21:52.25 | KriLL3 | pictures Fisker with a cane in one hand and a top hat in the other, bowing waiting for applause that never occur |
| 21:52.30 | Fisker | presumably not caring enough to ignore me like a man |
| 21:56.29 | *** mode/#wowace [-v Fisker] by ckknight |
| 22:04.22 | Fisker | please don't hurt me ckknight |
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| 22:15.14 | WobWork | ckknight: you wouldn't not hurt Fisker |
| 22:15.33 | aestil | anyone use tukui? |
| 22:15.40 | ckknight | WobWork: you're right |
| 22:15.46 | ckknight | Fisker: I decide who lives or dies |
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| 22:20.54 | Repo | 391bc01: Added OnProfileChange module event so DB can be reloaded for modules if necessary |
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| 22:23.24 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 04v3.0.4 * 1c1642c /: [new tag] Tagging as release 3.0.4 |
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| 22:39.31 | Torhal | ckknight: But do you decide who gives the pies? |
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| 22:43.58 | Yssaril | Torhal: its your fault just so you know |
| 22:45.53 | Torhal | Yssaril: Of course! |
| 22:45.55 | Torhal | Yssaril: What is? |
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| 22:46.25 | Yssaril | you made me look at YssDrop code now i am unhappy with Fortress and LDB displays in general so i'm making my own |
| 22:47.16 | Torhal | Yssaril: Oh, that. Yah, I decided to do that once and promptly forgot. |
| 22:47.38 | Yssaril | i have been trying to forget (didn't work though) |
| 22:48.39 | Yssaril | Torhal: this is my idea lineup all the icons of the display on the left or right side of the game and only show text if it changes or when you mouseover it |
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| 22:49.41 | Torhal | You can do the mouseover thing with quite a few displays. The text thing seems capable of being an annoyance though |
| 22:50.13 | Torhal | And how long would it display before fading? user-defined? |
| 22:50.18 | Yssaril | yep :) |
| 22:50.38 | Yssaril | one or 2 sec |
| 22:50.54 | Yssaril | and you can turn it off if not wanted |
| 22:50.58 | Torhal | Ah |
| 22:51.11 | Groktar | forces Torhal to watch every csi episode back to back |
| 22:51.35 | Repo | 10fu-bar_addon-spam-fu: 03yoshimo * r104 AddonSpamFu.lua: (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 22:51.36 | Repo | Added: |
| 22:51.37 | Repo | - Boss Notes |
| 22:51.38 | Repo | - RankWatch |
| 22:51.39 | Repo | - Guilder |
| 22:51.48 | Torhal | Groktar: Who are you? |
| 22:52.22 | Groktar | the guy torturing you |
| 22:52.23 | Groktar | mwahaha |
| 22:52.30 | Torhal | I really wanna know. |
| 22:52.47 | Groktar | I AM HE WHO WAS ANCIENT WHEN THIS WORLD WAS YOUNG |
| 22:52.54 | Groktar | BEHOLD! RAGNAROS THE FIRELORD! |
| 22:53.28 | Torhal | Do you actually grok tar? |
| 22:53.35 | Groktar | idk |
| 22:54.55 | Fisker | sweet ckknight |
| 22:55.06 | Fisker | can you kill this jerk who keeps harassing us on ventrilo? |
| 22:55.24 | Groktar | you gave KriLL3 your vent info? :( |
| 22:55.45 | Fisker | its not mine :( |
| 22:57.47 | Megalon | I am the terror that flaps in the night, I am the batteries that are not included. |
| 23:03.01 | Ingela | MARRY CHRISTMAS |
| 23:03.56 | steev | last i knew, christmas was already engaged |
| 23:04.50 | Groktar | guy in my guild renamed his mage to "james" from "peagle" |
| 23:04.56 | Groktar | trying to explain to him why this is bad |
| 23:05.04 | Groktar | told him it's like naming your dog "dog" |
| 23:05.11 | arkanes_ | my dogs name actually is dog |
| 23:05.18 | arkanes_ | pronounced dee oh gee |
| 23:05.41 | arkanes_ | not my fault though, he was already named when we got him |
| 23:06.53 | Groktar | well, *i* might name my dog "dog" |
| 23:06.56 | Groktar | but i don't like dogs |
| 23:12.13 | Megalon | names Fisker "Fisker" |
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| 23:22.23 | ulic | I knew a guy named Jakehunter, the debate always was, Does he hunt jakes? or is he a hunter named jake? |
| 23:26.15 | steev | but he was a mage? |
| 23:27.17 | SunTsu | Ingela: Why would anybody marry christmas? |
| 23:29.32 | Ingela | =( |
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| 23:31.28 | ulic | googles for images of Christmas |
| 23:32.03 | ulic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Jones |
| 23:32.09 | ulic | works for me |
| 23:32.18 | ulic | even if she is fictional |
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| 23:37.51 | Repo | 10cowtip_luatext: 03profalbert 07master * v0.4-beta-4-gbf9cfed LuaText.lua: [+1 commit] call GameTooltip:Show() after delayed unit-update adjust the tooltipsize |
| 23:40.07 | aestil | I'm looking for how to adjust the color of my cast bar in this lua. maybe someone can help. |
| 23:41.05 | aestil | http://www.pastey.net/130585 |
| 23:42.08 | arkanes_ | aestil: theres a number of colors involved there |
| 23:42.15 | aestil | yeah, i know. |
| 23:42.26 | aestil | basically i want the cast bar to be brighter, during cast |
| 23:42.42 | aestil | is that self.castbar.bg:SetVertexColor(... ? |
| 23:43.57 | arkanes_ | thats the background, the part that is "filled up" |
| 23:44.21 | aestil | ok, the bar is self.Castbar:SetStatusBarColor(.... ? |
| 23:44.27 | aestil | why 4 vars in there then? |
| 23:44.32 | aestil | is one of them alpha? |
| 23:44.59 | arkanes_ | yes |
| 23:45.03 | arkanes_ | RGBA |
| 23:45.56 | aestil | ok, brilliant. then higher numbers are brighter then? |
| 23:46.31 | arkanes_ | it probably looks relatively dark to you because it's at 50% alpha, I'd set it to 100% first |
| 23:46.56 | ulic | int*255 to get the rbg number that you can plug into an rgb color dealy |
| 23:47.12 | arkanes_ | not an int, of course :P |
| 23:47.41 | ulic | okay true, but I think my point is accomplished :) |
| 23:48.35 | aestil | so just change the last number to 1.0? |
| 23:48.53 | arkanes_ | yes |
| 23:49.14 | aestil | this is a really nice UI, but over my head. |
| 23:49.15 | ulic | or even just 1 is good |
| 23:50.05 | aestil | not bright enough still. |
| 23:50.25 | aestil | is there a website with a color wheel to output the number values? |
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| 23:50.53 | aestil | found one, nvm. |
| 23:51.50 | aestil | damn, these numbers don't match up. |
| 23:52.07 | aestil | i'm getting whole intergers. like 63 and 150 |
| 23:52.18 | aestil | whats with these decimals in the lua? |
| 23:52.31 | aestil | divide my numbers by 255? |
| 23:53.21 | Megalon | yes |
| 23:53.49 | arkanes_ | depends on how the website you're using is reporting them |
| 23:53.58 | aestil | yeah, that worked. |
| 23:54.00 | ulic | probably 0-255. |
| 23:54.02 | arkanes_ | but base 256 is pretty common |
| 23:55.18 | aestil | hot. |
| 23:55.48 | aestil | now i have to figure out how to get my imp's health to not be 'green' for happy. |
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