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| 00:11.31 | Myrroddin | greetings humanity! oh, and I suppose hello to the gnomes as well... |
| 00:13.26 | kandarz | ping: ckknight, nevcairiel |
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| 00:16.09 | ckknight | hey kandarz |
| 00:17.42 | Shadowed | I wouldn't really use LibGroupTalents-1-0 |
| 00:17.47 | Shadowed | you can do it yourself it's not hard |
| 00:19.02 | Shadowed | It does a lot of extra things too like syncing glyphs etc |
| 00:19.11 | Shadowed | NeoTron: ^ |
| 00:24.08 | Funkeh` | wtb more votes: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17072 |
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| 00:31.58 | ckknight | k |
| 00:36.08 | aestil | freaking tried to, but registering for that site is rediculous. |
| 00:36.21 | aestil | it keeps telling me that i havn't validiated my account, which I have now done like 10 times. |
| 00:43.47 | Yivry | OMG I refound the fun of WoW :/ |
| 00:44.03 | Torhal | Yivry: Ganking? |
| 00:44.28 | Yivry | Dualspec priest, Disc healing, shadow pewpewing |
| 00:44.51 | Yivry | no not ganking, pvp sucks :p |
| 00:44.55 | Axodious | whatabout disc pewpew and shadow healing |
| 00:45.22 | Yivry | disc pewpew is possible (at least partly) |
| 00:45.30 | Yivry | shadow healing is minimal :P |
| 00:45.38 | Yivry | (but real pro if you do it good!) |
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| 00:48.57 | Amadeo | Someone mentioned a couple of raid buff tracking addons, one was Raid Buff Status...what's the other big one? |
| 00:49.23 | Yivry | XRS or something? big brother maybe too? |
| 00:49.31 | chiper | how do you mean, tracking? |
| 00:49.48 | chiper | like, making sure everyone has their buffs? |
| 00:49.51 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 00:49.54 | chiper | zomgbuffs |
| 00:50.11 | Amadeo | since Paladins on my server are a bunch of total morons who keep Crusader Aura on in raids and never buff anyone |
| 00:50.18 | Amadeo | or give everyone Might |
| 00:50.23 | chiper | oh |
| 00:50.24 | Amadeo | thanks guys :) |
| 00:50.45 | Groktar | god damn |
| 00:50.47 | chiper | yeah, zomg is for making sure assigned buffs are present, not that the wrong buffs are there |
| 00:50.52 | Groktar | mysql/phpbb3 shit a brick |
| 00:51.05 | Groktar | it decided to put a really wacky timestamp on some new posts |
| 00:51.08 | Amadeo | chiper: Any do both? |
| 00:51.10 | Groktar | for like 2034 |
| 00:51.29 | chiper | Amadeo: I wouldn't know |
| 00:51.33 | Groktar | and then started giving them a message about having posted too recently |
| 00:52.11 | Yivry | what does it matter if the "wrong" buffs are there, if all the right ones are there too? |
| 00:52.37 | SunTsu | Yivry: ever saw what hunter's run aura does to a tank? ;) |
| 00:52.51 | SunTsu | cheetah, I think |
| 00:52.52 | Yivry | hmm right point taken |
| 00:52.59 | Yivry | pack |
| 00:53.05 | Yivry | cheetah is selfonly |
| 00:53.24 | Yivry | but i think that's the only one? |
| 00:53.25 | SunTsu | ah, yeah |
| 00:53.46 | chiper | well, crusader aura can be a waste if you don't have enough pallies |
| 00:53.46 | Yivry | or maybe a DK's frost presence at some point |
| 00:54.00 | Yivry | in that case chiper, not all the right buffs are there |
| 00:54.08 | chiper | nods |
| 00:54.27 | SunTsu | Yivry: DK's path of frost does no harm when you look down onto your toon while falling |
| 00:54.48 | chiper | I would love an addon that tells me if a dk in the group who isn't a tank is running frost presense, or if the dk who IS the tank isnt |
| 00:55.03 | Yivry | wow who discovered that and how much did it cost trying? |
| 00:55.24 | NeoTron | Shadowed: right. I'll look at making a lib for it |
| 00:55.31 | Yivry | chiper: that again is the missing of "right" buffs |
| 00:55.39 | chiper | discovered what? that you dont take fall damage if you look down while waterwalking? |
| 00:55.43 | NeoTron | NivFreak wants Magic Targets to filter out healers and tanks from the "not targeted by" display |
| 00:55.57 | Shadowed | It really does not need to be a library :p |
| 00:56.16 | chiper | I'd also love it if rankwatch would stop yelling at me for mixing flamestrike ranks |
| 00:56.26 | Yivry | hahaha |
| 00:56.28 | chiper | or rather, other people's rankwatch |
| 00:56.43 | Yivry | why would someone use that addon anyway? |
| 00:56.52 | chiper | it seems to be very popular |
| 00:57.01 | Yivry | downranking is a non issue these days right? |
| 00:57.34 | chiper | well the problem is that if you are multispec'd and train a new rank, your second spec's toolbars dont update with the new rank |
| 00:57.39 | SunTsu | Yivry: because people don't know that your second specc's bars do not get updated, only the currently active one |
| 00:57.43 | chiper | so a lot of people are running around with the wrong rank on their bars |
| 00:57.55 | Yivry | ah right that thing |
| 00:58.35 | chiper | personally I don't really care, unless it's a healing spell |
| 00:58.35 | SunTsu | yeah, most commonly healers, because that isn't the leveling specc |
| 00:58.44 | chiper | it's their own dps that's being hurt by it |
| 00:58.53 | SunTsu | chiper: it's mostly healers |
| 00:59.26 | Amadeo | I found RW to be more of a problem for me |
| 00:59.54 | Amadeo | since sometimes a healer might just use another spell to conserve mana if someone only needs a lesser amount of health |
| 00:59.54 | SunTsu | Amadeo: why? |
| 00:59.56 | chiper | I've been more surprised by how many target healers there are running pugs. I thought everyone used either click-casting or mouseover macros |
| 01:00.06 | Amadeo | like in between fights |
| 01:00.08 | SunTsu | Amadeo: and it does not conserve anything |
| 01:00.19 | Amadeo | are heals percentage based now? |
| 01:00.20 | chiper | amadeo: a lot of downranked spells actually cost MORE |
| 01:00.35 | Yivry | yup blizz changed mana costs a while back |
| 01:00.37 | SunTsu | most do, nowadays |
| 01:00.39 | Yivry | to kill downranking |
| 01:00.40 | Amadeo | I see |
| 01:00.47 | Amadeo | I haven't been a healer for like 5 years |
| 01:00.48 | Amadeo | lol |
| 01:00.56 | NeoTron | Shadowed: it doesn't but it could be useful for other addons too so it makes sense to put in one |
| 01:00.57 | Yivry | its not only heals :P |
| 01:01.05 | SunTsu | there are few spells where downranking is OK and useful |
| 01:01.06 | Yivry | (but why would dps want to downrank anyway) |
| 01:01.20 | Yivry | such as? |
| 01:01.26 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7022 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Change some wordings. |
| 01:01.29 | NeoTron | chiper: dude. tanks. really. |
| 01:01.38 | chiper | downranking flamestrike to get two dots |
| 01:01.46 | NeoTron | if you ever wondered why the pally tank couldn't hold aggro at all, rankwatch probably would have made it very clear |
| 01:01.48 | Yivry | thats more like stacking, not downranking |
| 01:01.50 | NeoTron | very fast |
| 01:02.02 | Amadeo | I also had some issues where RW was yelling at people to use a higher spell when their spec didn't allow them to have it |
| 01:02.03 | NeoTron | I ran a 5 man where the pally tank had 5 abilities that was between 1 and 3 tanks too low |
| 01:02.21 | Yivry | ouch |
| 01:02.23 | NeoTron | Yivry: you miss the point - people level as dps and swap spec to tank/heal for the instance |
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| 01:02.28 | chiper | Yivry: stacking by downranking, yes |
| 01:02.38 | Yivry | NeoTron no i didnt miss that point |
| 01:02.44 | NeoTron | and don't realize that the abilities are not upgraded when they level |
| 01:03.05 | NeoTron | I am guessing 99% fo the rank watch alerts are out of know knowing how dual spec works with learning new spells |
| 01:03.25 | NeoTron | SunTsu: give me one example where downranking makes sense |
| 01:03.37 | chiper | neo: I just did |
| 01:03.53 | Yivry | flamestrike was known to me, mage too here :P |
| 01:03.56 | NeoTron | ok. exploiting "bug" to do more dps :P |
| 01:04.02 | NeoTron | anything else? |
| 01:04.03 | Yivry | but I wanted another example |
| 01:04.09 | SunTsu | NeoTron: the warlock's spell to convert health to mana, just don't remember the name |
| 01:04.15 | Yivry | lifetap |
| 01:04.20 | chiper | I've also downranked arcane explosion for when I want to get a low level mobs attention but not kill it |
| 01:04.23 | Mikk | frostbolt rank 1 |
| 01:04.48 | Amadeo | seems like mostly AE spells |
| 01:04.52 | Mikk | to apply slow, quickly |
| 01:04.56 | NeoTron | that said, I never got a rank watch warning for any of those |
| 01:04.57 | chiper | frostbolt is another good one |
| 01:05.02 | Axodious | igj |
| 01:05.05 | Axodious | ugh* |
| 01:05.12 | Axodious | when is someone got to make a non-retarded wow progress |
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| 01:05.34 | SunTsu | Yivry: yeah. that#s the one |
| 01:05.36 | NeoTron | so why use a lower rank frost bolt? faster cast? |
| 01:05.41 | chiper | NeoTron: yup |
| 01:05.43 | NeoTron | isn't it actually more mana/ |
| 01:05.49 | Yivry | Axodious: never, because non-retarded isnt where the big money is ;) |
| 01:05.55 | NeoTron | so they need to make the slow effect not work on high level enemies :P |
| 01:06.01 | chiper | sure, but mana isn't the reason you use it |
| 01:06.13 | Axodious | they modified it for ICC so it's now based on putricide and t9 |
| 01:06.21 | Axodious | so that ensidia gets put at top 3 |
| 01:06.21 | Axodious | >_> |
| 01:06.22 | NeoTron | really for the most part they should get rid of ranks and makes spells scale by themselves |
| 01:06.36 | chiper | that's exactly what they're doing in cata |
| 01:07.00 | NeoTron | lifetap is really one of the very few valid cases and only because of Glyph of Lifetap |
| 01:07.01 | Yivry | oh no! |
| 01:07.08 | Yivry | more scling problems ahead! |
| 01:07.10 | chiper | spell damage will scale simmilar to how heirlooms scale |
| 01:07.13 | Yivry | *scaling |
| 01:07.24 | NeoTron | Yivry: can't be much worse than now |
| 01:07.38 | NeoTron | http://people.omnigroup.com/xmas/wow/Rotgut_DPS.png |
| 01:07.39 | Yivry | oh just you wait :P |
| 01:08.04 | chiper | neo: wow.com had a graph like that too, wtf is that data coming from? |
| 01:08.10 | NeoTron | naturally that was pre-rogue nerfs but still |
| 01:08.11 | Shadowed | NeoTron: The only addons who really use it are unit frames who show talents on target or tooltip mods :p |
| 01:08.17 | Shadowed | tooltip mods generally do it themselves last I looked |
| 01:08.23 | NeoTron | chiper: world of logs parsed logs |
| 01:08.43 | chiper | ah |
| 01:08.44 | Shadowed | there is a more generic form I think |
| 01:08.46 | Shadowed | libtalentquery? |
| 01:08.47 | Shadowed | something like that |
| 01:08.55 | NeoTron | right |
| 01:08.57 | Amadeo | did they ever put the new Hunger for Blood nerf through, bringing it to 5%? |
| 01:09.21 | NeoTron | it's sad to be a warlock and see that graph |
| 01:09.27 | haste | Amadeo: yes, it was hotfixed |
| 01:09.30 | Amadeo | damn |
| 01:09.40 | Amadeo | at least I don't have to feel bad about being Combat anymore |
| 01:09.45 | Amadeo | :) |
| 01:09.55 | haste | they also nerfed combat by 2% :) |
| 01:09.56 | NeoTron | Amadeo: well that graph makes it very clear why a nerf was needed |
| 01:10.24 | Amadeo | hard to say |
| 01:10.24 | Amadeo | I mean |
| 01:10.33 | Amadeo | that just helps a raid |
| 01:10.41 | Amadeo | it's PvE after all |
| 01:10.45 | chiper | I'm a little surprised that BM isn't on that list. I mean I know it isn't favored, but it can't be THAT bad. the T9 4pc seems to be targeted directly at it |
| 01:10.48 | Amadeo | more dps = more win for everyone |
| 01:10.59 | Yivry | i'd say, take the average of all fights, and then check the dps |
| 01:11.04 | haste | but too much DPS == less fun |
| 01:11.14 | Amadeo | plus, Rotgut is a fight where Rogues never have to move |
| 01:11.15 | haste | nothing like killing a boss after a couple >5% wipes |
| 01:11.20 | Yivry | if that still looks the same way the nerf was justified |
| 01:11.27 | Amadeo | there's a lot of ICC bosses with running around |
| 01:11.37 | NeoTron | Amadeo: no, it's very clear a nerf was needed |
| 01:11.46 | Axodious | moving around |
| 01:11.51 | Axodious | ugh dont remind me of sindragosa ptr testing |
| 01:11.57 | NeoTron | they were like 20% higher than other classes |
| 01:12.11 | NeoTron | and they probably still will be higher than any other class |
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| 01:12.47 | NeoTron | when the top 210 players for a fight are rogues, it's very clear it's out of whack |
| 01:13.00 | NeoTron | the first non-rogue on the WoL list was on page 6 and the first warlock was on page 20 |
| 01:13.12 | Axodious | was it me?! |
| 01:13.13 | Amadeo | for every fight in the game? |
| 01:13.21 | Amadeo | or just Rotgut? |
| 01:13.21 | NeoTron | not every fight obviously |
| 01:13.54 | Mikk | seems to me casters are generally shafted atm |
| 01:14.00 | Amadeo | I've just never understood nerfing an entire class for a few highly itemized players |
| 01:14.01 | Mikk | bring more hunters |
| 01:14.02 | NeoTron | http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/dps/ |
| 01:14.08 | Amadeo | why not nerf the itemization? |
| 01:14.09 | NeoTron | rogue rogue rogue rogue |
| 01:14.15 | NeoTron | there's A LOT of rogue on all fights |
| 01:14.24 | Amadeo | I mean, I can tell you, I do like 6k dps |
| 01:14.29 | Amadeo | so why do I need nerfed? |
| 01:14.41 | chiper | and yet, for some reason my guild is short on rogues |
| 01:14.58 | NeoTron | Amadeo: if you individually don't do good dps, it's either your gameplay or your gear |
| 01:14.58 | Amadeo | that's why I don't get the whole nerf skill reasoning |
| 01:15.06 | Amadeo | considering WoW is easy, it's gear |
| 01:15.16 | Amadeo | but the percentage of 12k DPS rogues is far less than 6k |
| 01:15.21 | NeoTron | but my warlock main is being outdpsed by rogue alts |
| 01:15.33 | NeoTron | a 6k rogue is bad if it's 25 man |
| 01:15.40 | Amadeo | that's my only gripe with the way Blizzard tweaks things |
| 01:15.42 | Amadeo | it's wrong |
| 01:15.45 | NeoTron | sorry to say but again we have alt rogues doing more than 6k dps in 10 man |
| 01:16.00 | NeoTron | they don't do it well but nerfing rogues X% is not "wrong" |
| 01:16.17 | NeoTron | if you only do 6k dps you likely have, what, mix of ilevel 226 and 232 gear? |
| 01:16.18 | Amadeo | it is, it's just the easy way out |
| 01:16.28 | Amadeo | I'm Xaedyn on armory |
| 01:16.41 | Amadeo | and that number varies on boss, etc |
| 01:16.43 | NeoTron | since my 219-232 with a few higher pieces DK can do more dps than that |
| 01:17.14 | Yivry | ugh bedtime... nn |
| 01:17.18 | Amadeo | gotta run to store, brb |
| 01:17.45 | cralor | How does creating a new Tag work? I'm new to the SVN thing. |
| 01:18.02 | Mikk | you just copy to the tags folder |
| 01:18.13 | Mikk | using svn's copy, not filesystem copy ;) |
| 01:18.22 | cralor | When I go to Folder > Branch / Tag button in TortoiseSVN |
| 01:18.39 | Bruners | i always used the webpage to tag svn :P |
| 01:18.41 | cralor | I'm just a little confused as to what this is doing |
| 01:18.53 | cralor | What webpage? |
| 01:18.55 | Mikk | it does a copy |
| 01:19.00 | Bruners | wowace/curseforge |
| 01:19.11 | Mikk | cralor: for wowace/cf sites, you can just click "tag repository" on the project page |
| 01:19.19 | cralor | Ok lemme see |
| 01:19.20 | Mikk | s/sites/repos/ |
| 01:20.01 | cralor | Which will take the current repo state and tag it as Release? |
| 01:21.31 | Bruners | cralor: if you name it v1.44.4 it will be tagged as release, if you tag it with v1.44.4 beta it will be beta |
| 01:21.50 | cralor | Ok |
| 01:22.01 | cralor | Thanks |
| 01:23.39 | Bruners | cralor: http://kb.curseforge.com/repositories/repository-faq/#w-how-does-the-packager-know-whether-a-tag-is-a-release |
| 01:24.24 | cralor | Ok great |
| 01:25.25 | cralor | Ok I have one Packager error on one of my addons |
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| 01:26.13 | cralor | This is the error: http://paste.wowace.com/1633/ |
| 01:27.12 | cralor | This is the .pkgmeta: http://paste.wowace.com/1634/ |
| 01:29.00 | Bruners | cralor: http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/#w-specifying-externals |
| 01:29.21 | Bruners | cralor: as in your are missing the url: |
| 01:30.04 | cralor | hmm.. i thought I grabbed this from someone else. i'll try that |
| 01:32.06 | cralor | this error now: (might be the same) http://paste.wowace.com/1635/ |
| 01:32.10 | cralor | and this .pkgmeta: |
| 01:32.27 | cralor | http://paste.wowace.com/1634/ |
| 01:32.49 | cralor | wait.. |
| 01:33.09 | cralor | this pkgmeta : http://paste.wowace.com/1636/ |
| 01:37.00 | cralor | :( |
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| 01:43.08 | cralor | Can anyone shed some light? |
| 01:44.17 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7023 Citadel (5 files in 2 directories): |
| 01:44.20 | Repo | Citadel/Putricide: Remove whisper for Green Ooze stun, I think they'd know, considering they can't move. |
| 01:44.20 | Repo | Change phase warnings to a timer + add a bar |
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| 01:47.08 | Bruners | cralor: try poking ckknight or Kaelten |
| 01:47.12 | Bruners | or even Funkeh` |
| 01:47.24 | cralor | well they seem busy. |
| 01:47.55 | cralor | I assume they would see this if they were available, no? |
| 01:48.21 | Bruners | try adding tag: latest |
| 01:48.31 | Bruners | no idea if it will do anything |
| 01:50.19 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7024 Citadel/Rotface.lua: |
| 01:50.21 | Repo | Citadel/Rotface: Stop infection bars when removed/dispelled. |
| 01:51.24 | cralor | Bruners: Arrowmaster said no no :D |
| 01:54.38 | haste | hates pkgmeta. |
| 01:55.20 | cralor | cries |
| 01:55.28 | Axodious | these freezes are getting really old |
| 01:55.36 | cralor | freezes? |
| 01:55.40 | Axodious | game just stops |
| 01:55.44 | Axodious | chews 1 cpu |
| 01:55.48 | Axodious | doesn't do anything |
| 01:55.51 | Axodious | can alt tab etc |
| 01:56.08 | cralor | odd |
| 01:56.36 | Repo | 10libinternalcooldowns-1-0: 03Antiarc * r22 LibInternalCooldowns-1.0/Data.lua: Add Black Magic and fix the caster ICC rep ring IDs |
| 01:58.30 | Antiarc | Shadowed: The EG vs GS stuff is delicious |
| 01:58.33 | Shadowed | Antiarc: it is |
| 01:58.38 | Axodious | EG>GS :P |
| 01:58.44 | Shadowed | you should do some google searches on elitist group |
| 01:58.53 | Antiarc | http://www.elitistgroup.com/ |
| 01:58.53 | Shadowed | the amount of posts from people saying fuck gear score use EG is amazing |
| 01:58.53 | Antiarc | Pro. |
| 01:59.11 | Shadowed | I am pretty sure that's not a real company |
| 01:59.28 | Amadeo | lol |
| 01:59.42 | Axodious | that looks pretty realistic to me |
| 01:59.42 | Axodious | lol |
| 01:59.52 | Amadeo | yeah, looks real |
| 01:59.55 | Amadeo | you might want to sell them your addon |
| 02:00.09 | Shadowed | haha |
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| 02:01.37 | Antiarc | http://www.last.fm/group/The+Non+Elitist+Group. |
| 02:01.55 | Axodious | whatabout anti elitist |
| 02:01.56 | Axodious | god |
| 02:02.24 | Shadowed | Currently, what I am hoping is GS 3.1 adds more data to the comms like gem and enchant info |
| 02:02.31 | Antiarc | Hehehe |
| 02:02.36 | Antiarc | Die under its own weight, huh? |
| 02:02.49 | Shadowed | No I was thinking hijack the comms and provide better database support without having to add the spam to EG :p |
| 02:02.58 | Shadowed | GS gets blamed, EG gets data for free |
| 02:03.04 | Shadowed | win/win |
| 02:03.06 | Antiarc | ...that's amazing. |
| 02:03.40 | pompy | Someones claiming they saw a Tauren with a Darnassian Nightsaber, is that possible? |
| 02:03.47 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 02:03.51 | Shadowed | Problem is, I don't think he'll send enough spec info to do it |
| 02:03.54 | Shadowed | but it's an idea |
| 02:03.58 | Antiarc | If you xferred the mount when they were BOE, you could do it |
| 02:04.40 | Shadowed | They fixed that pretty quickly tough |
| 02:04.55 | Repo | 10loot-council: 03kandarz * r13 LootCouncil.lua: Fix version response message |
| 02:05.13 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7025 Citadel/Festergut.lua: Citadel/Festergut: Tweak bar text a little. |
| 02:06.57 | Antiarc | yeah, the window to do it in was very small |
| 02:19.35 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r141 events.lua: Don't print nil release string |
| 02:19.57 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r142 events.lua: Shit... |
| 02:24.45 | Groktar | i want to strangle itemrack every time i go from prot to fury |
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| 02:29.14 | WobWork | Groktar: instead, itemrack forgets about the necktie, and strangles -you- every time you go from prot to fury |
| 02:33.31 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7026 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Citadel/Putricide: Wording tweaks, fix hp scan. |
| 02:37.18 | Primer | dammit, I finally got down to doing some development on this damn calendar scraper, and now the armory is down! |
| 02:40.22 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7027 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Citadel/Putricide: Tweak phase function |
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| 02:47.11 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu 0430300-2-beta-3 * r201 : Tagging as 30300-2-beta-3 |
| 02:47.13 | Repo | Fix 8 - Error when trying to change option to not show gold |
| 02:51.24 | pompy | Is there a current uptodate addon that is similar to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8605#info ? |
| 02:52.47 | digmouse | sickofclickingdailies? |
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| 02:58.28 | orionshock | pompy, socd dosn't have all the nice layout stuff that that one has |
| 03:05.52 | digmouse | ye SOCD is just a fast click and return |
| 03:06.04 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.5-release-7-g17a97e4 SickOfClickingDailies_AltTracking (10 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 03:06.07 | Repo | 17a97e4: update module.xml to point at new file |
| 03:06.08 | Repo | dd4f652: Rearange alt module locale to one file |
| 03:06.19 | orionshock | ... now to wait for the file.. |
| 03:07.47 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7028 Citadel/Putricide.lua: |
| 03:07.49 | Repo | Citadel/Putricide: Fix the goo ball function to work again, warns on 1 player. Change /say message for clarity. |
| 03:07.50 | Repo | Changed engage trigger earlier as it was similar to the Rotface flood yell. |
| 03:07.51 | Repo | Tweak phase function again. |
| 03:07.52 | orionshock | it worked for the most part :) |
| 03:09.59 | Repo | 10gmi-plus-lib-st: 03chaosknightz * r14 GuildMI.lua: working checkbox |
| 03:10.59 | Repo | 10sick-of-clicking-dailies: 03OrionShock 07master * v6.3.5-release-8-gac30f7c localizations (6 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] update addon locales to point to defualt ns for L instead of Base_All |
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| 03:17.17 | Axodious | new armory :o |
| 03:18.52 | Axodious | lags so hard in chrome |
| 03:21.56 | Primer | The Armory is currently undergoing maintenance. Please check back later. |
| 03:21.57 | Primer | ? |
| 03:22.08 | Axodious | us? |
| 03:22.20 | Primer | ya |
| 03:22.26 | Axodious | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=kurimu |
| 03:22.28 | Axodious | works for me |
| 03:22.55 | Primer | oh, it's up now, wtf |
| 03:23.31 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7029 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Citadel/Putricide: Re-add icon placement for goo balls. |
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| 03:43.43 | digmouse | the new armory dont work well on chrome 4 |
| 03:44.09 | digmouse | stats page swap not working and switch to gear list mode not working for me |
| 03:48.24 | Antiarc | New armory is pretty neat. |
| 03:48.56 | digmouse | ye |
| 03:49.09 | digmouse | LF armory @ chrome improvment |
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| 03:53.08 | Funkeh` | looks the same to me? |
| 03:54.01 | Funkeh` | i guess EU isn't updated |
| 03:54.04 | Funkeh` | lame |
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| 03:56.49 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude 04r7030-release * r7030 : Push new/fixed timers. |
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| 03:58.33 | Silvestra | Hey guys |
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| 04:01.41 | Silvestra | I need a wee bit of help, if someone doesnt mind giving me some advice |
| 04:03.35 | Nechckn | With? |
| 04:04.05 | Nechckn | Better to explain what it is you need and then see what folks offer =) |
| 04:04.54 | Silvestra | Well I want to start doing addons. There seems to be very little documentation out there to help people actually do this. So far I've gotten Addon Studio and done the 1 tutorial included with that, but now I'm sat here wondering where I can find tutorials on some more wow orientated functions. |
| 04:07.21 | Nechckn | okay.. |
| 04:07.39 | Nechckn | have you checked the resources from WoWWiki.com? |
| 04:07.51 | Nechckn | Because there are some that are just awesome |
| 04:08.06 | Nechckn | one sec |
| 04:08.08 | Silvestra | all I could find on wow wiki was a hello world tutorial |
| 04:08.14 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.3-4-g49bfdba modules/scan.lua: [+1 commit] Switched queues to also check UnitIsVisible, will see if this fixes bad item data being returned sometimes |
| 04:08.30 | Silvestra | But the addon pages are a bit chaotic so I wouldnt be suprised if I missed some obscure link on there. |
| 04:10.14 | Nechckn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization is the main one, but then there is another with a bunch of links.. |
| 04:11.06 | Nechckn | http://wowprogramming.com/ is a must-read |
| 04:11.23 | Silvestra | Is this dealing with just text based LUA writing or addon studio itself? |
| 04:11.33 | Nechckn | Especially if you are just getting started, would highly recommend actually reading the book, too. |
| 04:12.05 | Shadowed | don't use addon studio |
| 04:12.09 | Shadowed | best advice I can give you |
| 04:12.09 | Silvestra | Cool. I did not realise there was a book. |
| 04:12.13 | Nechckn | I honestly have not used AddOn Studio - I know basically what it does, but most folks use text editors |
| 04:12.23 | Silvestra | How come Shadowed? |
| 04:12.26 | Nechckn | lol, as Shadowed just mentioned =) |
| 04:12.30 | Shadowed | It's just out of date and not a very good tool |
| 04:12.38 | Silvestra | Fair enough |
| 04:12.55 | Shadowed | Silvestra: There are basically 2 rules. Local scope variables/functions when you can, and don't abuse tables |
| 04:13.00 | Nechckn | Well, it's like using an old version of FrontPage instead of anything current |
| 04:13.06 | Shadowed | if you can follow those two rules, you're pretty much better than most of the addon developers |
| 04:13.25 | Silvestra | Well neither of those mean anything to me now, but I'm sure they will later on :P |
| 04:13.40 | Nechckn | hahaha - especailly the locals! |
| 04:14.06 | Shadowed | ~framexml |
| 04:14.07 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 04:14.12 | Shadowed | ^ is another good tool |
| 04:14.21 | Silvestra | Well thanks for the advice guys :) |
| 04:14.27 | Shadowed | It lets you extract the FrameXML from WoW, it's a good reference at times |
| 04:14.48 | Shadowed | But that's later |
| 04:14.49 | Shadowed | ~pil |
| 04:14.50 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:14.53 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r7031 Citadel/Locales/deDE.lua: deDE update |
| 04:14.53 | Shadowed | ^ you should go through that first |
| 04:15.31 | Silvestra | Smells like this is getting expensive :P |
| 04:15.41 | Shadowed | PIL is free |
| 04:15.43 | Nechckn | Not really |
| 04:15.44 | Shadowed | it's all online |
| 04:15.54 | Silvestra | Oh cool. :D |
| 04:16.01 | Shadowed | The book is the only thing you'd really buy, the rest is free |
| 04:16.03 | Nechckn | Just the one book to get, the rest is all free and easily available |
| 04:16.10 | Nechckn | lol... |
| 04:16.16 | Nechckn | will be quiet now. |
| 04:16.59 | Silvestra | is LUA descended from C++? |
| 04:17.00 | Nechckn | okay, one last thing - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7366-WowLua.html is very handy when you are just starting out |
| 04:17.11 | ckknight_ | Silvestra: what does descended mean? |
| 04:17.21 | Torhal | Silvestra: No, it is not a C++ derivitive |
| 04:17.24 | Silvestra | well developed from |
| 04:17.26 | Silvestra | Ah |
| 04:17.32 | ckknight_ | Lua is coded in C |
| 04:17.33 | Torhal | It's not even a compiled language |
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| 04:18.05 | Shadowed | ym is a compiled language |
| 04:18.07 | Nechckn | http://www.lua.org/about.html gives the good background |
| 04:20.26 | Torhal | ckknight: Get your hit squad after whoever is supposed to be delivering the new DB server - it's taking the forums down again. |
| 04:20.42 | ckknight | that's all Kaelten's deal |
| 04:20.53 | Torhal | Bleargh. |
| 04:21.23 | Shadowed | I can kill the repo again if you want Torhal |
| 04:21.25 | Shadowed | to complete the process |
| 04:21.41 | Torhal | Shadowed: No, that'll just make ckknight giggle. |
| 04:21.56 | ckknight | tee hee |
| 04:22.23 | Torhal | Guess I'll watch another Dexter episode since it finished downloading. |
| 04:22.51 | Silvestra | Excellent. Well thanks for all the help guys. I shall read those when its not gone 4am and I have time on my hands, invariably at work. |
| 04:23.18 | Silvestra | Salutes as he disappears. |
| 04:29.04 | Groktar | rogues are so op on putricide |
| 04:29.18 | Groktar | vanishing just before tear gas |
| 04:31.29 | Bruners | Torhal: you woulnd't steal a car! |
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| 04:35.32 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx * r1273 GridCore.lua: |
| 04:35.33 | Repo | - Fixed a bug that prevented options from appearing for modules without a global name |
| 04:38.16 | Primer | new wow armory fails |
| 04:38.25 | Primer | says I don't have flash...but I do, except it's in Linux |
| 04:38.46 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx * r1274 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:38.47 | Repo | - Don't error if the plugin's TOC provides an incorrect module name |
| 04:38.49 | Repo | - Look for a global as a last resort |
| 04:38.50 | Repo | - Cleanup random trailing whitespace |
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| 04:40.51 | Bruners | Primer: where is this new armory ? |
| 04:43.09 | Primer | same url as the old |
| 04:43.17 | Bruners | works here |
| 04:43.29 | Primer | the 3d character viewer workds? |
| 04:43.32 | Primer | works |
| 04:43.38 | Torhal | Bruners: You wouldn't |
| 04:44.31 | Bruners | Primer: where do i find the 3d viewer? |
| 04:46.26 | Primer | Bruners: default character page |
| 04:47.35 | Bruners | Primer: is this some US only feature? |
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| 04:48.11 | Primer | dunno |
| 04:48.22 | Primer | all I know is the armory was down for a long time, and when it came back, this |
| 04:48.51 | Bruners | can't see anything that would look like a button to view in 3d |
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| 04:50.23 | Primer | there is no button |
| 04:50.23 | Primer | it's just there |
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| 04:56.20 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx * r1275 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:56.22 | Repo | - Don't create empty option groups for modules that put their statuses in the main status menu |
| 04:56.23 | Repo | - Could possibly nuke options for some third-party modules that I didn't test, please file a ticket if you find one |
| 04:57.48 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx * r1276 GridCore.lua: |
| 04:57.50 | Repo | - More elegant solution to empty module option group problem |
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| 05:10.18 | Primer | fuck, I had setup this calendar scraper yesterday, and today the armory changes...and it doesn't work any more |
| 05:10.57 | orionshock | Primer, are you tracking blizzard events or guild ones? |
| 05:11.16 | Primer | guild |
| 05:11.41 | orionshock | hum... |
| 05:14.05 | Primer | seems I spoke too soon |
| 05:14.09 | Primer | ran it again and it's fine |
| 05:16.01 | Primer | excellent, it works! |
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| 05:16.42 | Primer | http://www.nightshiftguild.net/modules.php?name=Calendar <-- if you want to see it |
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| 05:17.01 | Primer | untested in IE, btw |
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| 05:17.58 | Primer | it's no WoW calendar, but you don't have to login to see it |
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| 05:32.34 | pakoz | Anyone know if its possible to change the font of the ingame scrolling combat text? Addon or hax? |
| 05:33.25 | Primer | just use MSBT |
| 05:36.01 | pakoz | i actually have that already |
| 05:38.07 | pompy | pakoz: then type /msbt ;p |
| 05:46.38 | Primer | yeah, you can set the font for each area |
| 05:52.54 | orionshock | pakoz, are you talking about the dmg over mob heads |
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| 06:04.57 | Primer | wtf, the scraper isn't pulling today's events |
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| 06:07.04 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Damn it. Start using Emacs again. |
| 06:07.17 | Torhal | just found a post from 2008 regarding the Lua mode. |
| 06:07.22 | Antiarc | PallyPower needs to die in a fire. |
| 06:07.28 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/MCyDA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ftJS9.jpg |
| 06:07.29 | Torhal | Antiarc: Duh! |
| 06:07.51 | Torhal | I thought its DIAF status was the reason Blessed exists. |
| 06:08.11 | Antiarc | It is |
| 06:08.13 | Antiarc | I need to finish it |
| 06:10.08 | asmodai | That message traffic goes via the server right? |
| 06:10.10 | Primer | oh, I see, it's not a guild event |
| 06:11.32 | olafski | ah, I had been looking for a replacement for PP :) |
| 06:13.00 | Antiarc | Yes, that's all server traffic on the addon channel |
| 06:13.08 | Antiarc | And yes, Blessed is to be a replacement for PP |
| 06:13.12 | Antiarc | @project blessed |
| 06:13.13 | Repo | Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago |
| 06:13.20 | Antiarc | It doesn't do -any- comms yet, but the single-player stuff works fine. |
| 06:13.57 | asmodai | Antiarc: I can imagine it might cause issues to the server to be honest |
| 06:14.04 | Antiarc | I'm sure it does. |
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| 06:23.17 | asmodai | flask of endless rage is 35g on my server btw |
| 06:23.35 | asmodai | to further the discussion from yesterday |
| 06:23.50 | Shadowed | 1.6 MB is still amazing |
| 06:24.23 | asmodai | for pally power? |
| 06:24.34 | Shadowed | yea |
| 06:24.51 | asmodai | Compared to most other addons it's an order, sometimes 2 or 3 more data it sends. |
| 06:24.54 | asmodai | That's impressive. |
| 06:24.59 | Shadowed | 2/3? |
| 06:25.17 | asmodai | 2 or 3 orders more data it sends |
| 06:25.35 | asmodai | as in 100, 1000 times as much |
| 06:26.11 | Shadowed | ah read that wrong |
| 06:26.19 | Shadowed | thought you were saying there were other addons using more |
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| 06:27.42 | Groktar | @project postal |
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| 06:27.58 | asmodai | Nah, my bad, grammar skills not awake yet. |
| 06:27.58 | Groktar | what's the command for that again? |
| 06:28.00 | Repo | Groktar: http://www.wowace.com/addons/postal/. Postal. Game: WoW. Xinhuan (Manager/Author), grennon (Author). Updated: 16 days ago. Tickets: 1/20 |
| 06:28.06 | Groktar | oh, there it goes |
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| 06:49.54 | pakoz | @orionshock sorry for the delayed respond, yes i'm talking about the over their head text. |
| 06:50.26 | orionshock | pakoz, ya, that's a not something we really have access too |
| 06:50.45 | pakoz | familiar with landsoul? |
| 06:51.42 | pakoz | http://www.youtube.com/user/LandsoulWoW#p/u/0/vKise7OPt5k |
| 06:51.45 | pakoz | he has it modified |
| 06:57.38 | pakoz | i sent him a pm via youtube about a week ago, no dice. |
| 06:58.54 | Shadowed | Yes, you can access the nameplates |
| 06:58.58 | Shadowed | you've always been able to |
| 07:00.12 | orionshock | Shadowed, not nameplates but the damage numbers above mob heads in 3D world |
| 07:00.29 | orionshock | im sure you can change it pakoz, just requires to change a global font object, just can't remember what one |
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| 07:23.11 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal * r2797 / (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 07:23.14 | Repo | Hide the MainPanel after it's created, so it isn't automatically shown when opening a TradeSkill. |
| 07:23.14 | Repo | Removed the "Scan" and "Text Dump" buttons from the config options since they were not actually usable from there and only served to confuse new users. |
| 07:23.16 | Repo | Moved the "Reset Window Position" button from the main config section to the Display options section. |
| 07:23.17 | Repo | Clarified the TomTom support code in the config. |
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| 07:28.31 | Torhal | Elkano: WTB AddOns you don't have time to write. |
| 07:28.32 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:31.44 | Repo | 10grid2: 03jerry * r312 modules/StatusRole.lua: Fix StatusRole |
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| 07:42.58 | kandarz | asmodai: is your curse username "awudoin"? |
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| 07:52.04 | kandarz | pakoz: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=298901213&sid=1#3 |
| 07:53.57 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03mysticalos * r205 EnsidiaFails.lua: |
| 07:53.59 | Repo | Bumping for new libfail. That way guildy who runs EF same version as me won't turn my announce off then spam fails that were fixed in libfail in last couple days cause he doesn't updated lib like I do ;) |
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| 08:01.53 | KriLL3 | my server has queues most of the day and dalaran is a lagfest the entire afternoon... and there isn't any free character transfer on it... :\ |
| 08:02.05 | KriLL3 | hour long queue on saturday |
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| 08:02.56 | Grum | KriLL3: i think its the same on every server |
| 08:03.09 | KriLL3 | no, plenty of medium/low ones around |
| 08:03.24 | Grum | before 22:00 raiding is near impossible, >2 seconds serverlag on bosses only |
| 08:03.28 | KriLL3 | but yes generally speaking most servers have had an influx of players post 3.3 |
| 08:05.05 | Megalon | was a long time since my server had queues |
| 08:05.08 | Megalon | and with 3.3 |
| 08:05.19 | Megalon | if you wanna raid at 1800 |
| 08:05.24 | Megalon | you better start logging in at 1700 |
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| 08:16.49 | digmouse | is Reins of the Violet Proto-Drake 280% or 310% now? |
| 08:17.15 | Gnarfoz | 310, as it was |
| 08:17.44 | digmouse | its desc says "This is a very fast mount." not "This is an extremely fast mount." as a typical 310 mount |
| 08:18.09 | yoshimo | this is a very fast -- head ^^ |
| 08:18.33 | Primer | argh, why are my buttons getting all fucked up in Dominos!?!?! |
| 08:18.42 | Primer | every time I change specs, they're gone |
| 08:18.47 | Primer | I wonder if it's due to ranks |
| 08:19.14 | Gnarfoz | digmouse: that's not really "typical" at all |
| 08:19.29 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.3-9-g845a7ba / (5 files in 2 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 08:19.31 | Repo | 845a7ba: Raid summary now shows a percentage of good, 100% is good, 0% is bad, not sure if this is going to stay |
| 08:19.32 | Repo | 418cdc9: Inspect now shows a colored percentage of how many items are good, so 100% is everything is good, 0% means run |
| 08:19.33 | Repo | 742c51b: Fixed items not showing up if no gems were found |
| 08:19.34 | Repo | c49dabb: Instead of showing "Pass" for unenchantable items, tooltips will indicate the item cannot be enchanted |
| 08:19.37 | Gnarfoz | some have extremely, some have very |
| 08:19.50 | digmouse | so blizzard messed them up |
| 08:20.02 | KriLL3 | Primer: is dominos some bar addon? |
| 08:20.06 | Gnarfoz | no, it's just not "standardized" in any way :P |
| 08:20.09 | Primer | yes |
| 08:20.24 | KriLL3 | Primer: ah, has it had updates post dual spec patch? |
| 08:20.36 | KriLL3 | you could try ABS to fix it |
| 08:20.46 | Primer | many |
| 08:20.52 | Primer | I'll pass |
| 08:21.10 | digmouse | but .... all 310% mounts has a desc of "This is an extremely fast mount." |
| 08:21.27 | Primer | get an addon that shows true speed and find out |
| 08:21.28 | digmouse | havent seen a exception other than Red Proto-Drake |
| 08:21.34 | KriLL3 | I had to use ABS to fix my dual spec issues, since feral/feral doesn't really need unique bars between specs, since our bars page depending on form |
| 08:21.46 | digmouse | :P I dont got any 310% speed mount |
| 08:21.57 | KriLL3 | LDB_PitchSpeed is what I use |
| 08:21.57 | Primer | Dominos pages depending on form |
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| 08:22.14 | Primer | I use FlightHUD for my speed display needs |
| 08:22.17 | KriLL3 | Primer: yes the default bars do which makes any addon do the same if it's not horrible |
| 08:22.32 | Primer | Dominos is very good. Does everything I need |
| 08:22.39 | KriLL3 | but if you dualspec feral (dps/pvp) and feral (tanking) you need to mirror the contents of your bars on both specs |
| 08:22.44 | KriLL3 | with ABS makes a lot simpler |
| 08:22.52 | Primer | I do that |
| 08:22.58 | Primer | I'm exactly that |
| 08:23.05 | Primer | Feral DPS/Tank |
| 08:23.10 | Primer | level 70 |
| 08:23.26 | KriLL3 | though still once I change something one one spec I need to do that change on the other spec as well, wish you could disable the bar swap on spec change |
| 08:23.41 | Primer | eh? |
| 08:23.50 | KriLL3 | your specs got different bars |
| 08:24.04 | KriLL3 | change the bars in dps, swap to tank and the changes aren't persistent |
| 08:24.04 | Gnarfoz | digmouse: the red proto is 280% :P |
| 08:24.12 | Primer | uhhmm |
| 08:24.27 | KriLL3 | swap back to dps and the changes are there |
| 08:24.39 | Primer | yeah, that's what I have to do |
| 08:24.50 | KriLL3 | as said, you can use ABS to mirror the two |
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| 08:24.57 | digmouse | Gnarfoz: I mean the violet one http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44177 |
| 08:25.19 | Primer | I suspect that since I level as feral DPS, get a few levels, then switch to tank, I've gained a rank on a few things |
| 08:25.26 | Primer | which is why they don't show up |
| 08:25.35 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 08:25.44 | Primer | as long as I don't change specs, the ranks go up on the bars are I acquire them |
| 08:25.54 | Primer | except the other spec gets left behind |
| 08:26.24 | KriLL3 | I think bartender updates the bars with new ranks even on your inactive spec |
| 08:26.27 | Primer | dammit, had a great group for Magister's Terrace, then I wanted to get the quest and reset the instance...the raid leader said there was no way to do it |
| 08:26.36 | KriLL3 | could get rankwatch to make sure you don't use old ranks |
| 08:26.37 | Gnarfoz | digmouse: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63796 < also 'very' + 310% |
| 08:27.16 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: BT doesn't do that |
| 08:27.20 | KriLL3 | hmm |
| 08:27.27 | KriLL3 | drat |
| 08:27.34 | Gnarfoz | and primer sounds like he's complaining about the fact that dual-spec gives you two sets of action bars? |
| 08:27.37 | KriLL3 | well I mirror my bars between specs anyway |
| 08:27.43 | winkiller | o_O |
| 08:27.44 | Primer | Gnarfoz: I am not |
| 08:27.45 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: me2 |
| 08:27.58 | KriLL3 | should at least be possible to turn it off |
| 08:28.09 | Primer | Gnarfoz: I'm complaining about the alt spec's bars not getting updated with new ranks as I level while they're not the active spec |
| 08:28.11 | digmouse | o.O yes I forgot to check the spell |
| 08:28.26 | Gnarfoz | Primer: I see, yeah |
| 08:28.27 | KriLL3 | Primer: though doesn't physical attacks only have one rank? |
| 08:28.34 | Primer | not getting updated is wrong...they disappear |
| 08:28.36 | KriLL3 | can't downrank em |
| 08:28.37 | Gnarfoz | Primer: that's the main reason people get caught by RankWatch ^^ |
| 08:28.43 | Primer | the buttons are empty when I switch spec |
| 08:28.48 | winkiller | use rankwatch |
| 08:28.49 | Gnarfoz | of course they do, for abilities that only have one rank :> |
| 08:28.53 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 08:29.00 | KriLL3 | I didn't get that in bartender |
| 08:29.07 | Primer | why use rankwatch? THERE'S NOTHING THERE! :) |
| 08:29.09 | Gnarfoz | there's no lower rank left that could be on the bars, so they're empty |
| 08:29.31 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: does bartender have the same issue? haven't run into that yet |
| 08:29.39 | Gnarfoz | of course it does |
| 08:29.41 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 08:29.54 | Gnarfoz | where would it get the abilities from that you don't have anymore :> |
| 08:29.57 | KriLL3 | I guess I must be using ABS too often then to notice |
| 08:30.08 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:30.09 | Fisker | slaps KriLL3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:30.10 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: does the default blizzard bars have the same issue? |
| 08:30.15 | Fisker | that is all |
| 08:30.16 | Gnarfoz | but wasn't there a dedicated "upgrade all my skills" addon? |
| 08:30.29 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: "Uprank" I just spotted in CC |
| 08:30.31 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: I'd think so, but I don't really care to check :D |
| 08:30.35 | Gnarfoz | ~describe uprank |
| 08:30.52 | KriLL3 | does caps matter? it's UpRank |
| 08:30.53 | Gnarfoz | that and LearningAid might be a good thing for chars you're currently leveling |
| 08:30.57 | Gnarfoz | @describe uprank |
| 08:30.58 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/uprank/. UpRank. Update spells that are not max rank |
| 08:31.07 | Gnarfoz | nah, it's just not a purl command, heh |
| 08:31.14 | KriLL3 | not terribly descriptive |
| 08:31.38 | Gnarfoz | well, I think that's succinct, even though the words "on your action bars" might be useful in that sentence |
| 08:31.58 | KriLL3 | sounds a bit as if it auto trains you at trainers |
| 08:32.01 | Gnarfoz | which are like, word 3 and 4 in the actual description on the website |
| 08:32.14 | Gnarfoz | no, it does exactly what is needed here |
| 08:32.15 | Primer | anyhow, I must say, I'm pretty impressed with the calendar I added to my guild's web site |
| 08:32.17 | Gnarfoz | read the full description :) |
| 08:32.28 | Primer | it scrapes the armory calendar for guild events and displays them |
| 08:32.31 | KriLL3 | yes I know that's what it does, just saying the description sounded like what I described |
| 08:32.39 | Gnarfoz | meh |
| 08:32.42 | Gnarfoz | oh, break time |
| 08:32.49 | Gnarfoz | gotta make a call and wake someone up |
| 08:33.01 | KriLL3 | is there some dedicated addon that mirrors your 2 specs bars? I can do it using ABS but that's manual |
| 08:34.00 | KriLL3 | makes sense if you got 2 specs of the same tree, say prot/prot for the serious tankers out there, or dps feral / tank feral etc, since cat has it's own bar, and bear another, no reason to use 2 bear and 2 cat depending on spec |
| 08:34.17 | Primer | its |
| 08:34.37 | KriLL3 | though a plain option to turn of spec specific bars would be nice |
| 08:36.43 | Gnarfoz | that would have to be a blizzard option, so I don't really see it happening |
| 08:37.10 | KriLL3 | I know |
| 08:37.38 | Gnarfoz | of course, an action bar/action button addon that doesn't use Blizzard's pre-provided 120 action buttons would not be affected by this |
| 08:38.02 | KriLL3 | but don't you have to? |
| 08:38.06 | Gnarfoz | (Macaroon comes to mind, also: Magnetic Buttons or what it's called (I think it's on WoWI)) |
| 08:38.11 | Gnarfoz | absolutely not, no |
| 08:38.14 | KriLL3 | thought there was taint/combat etc issues if you didn't use the blizzard buttons |
| 08:38.20 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 08:38.26 | Gnarfoz | just make your own secure buttons :) |
| 08:38.45 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 08:41.06 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:41.13 | Gnarfoz | kills Fisker |
| 08:42.07 | Megalon | enjoys |
| 08:42.20 | Fisker | cannot die |
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| 08:42.57 | Torhal | Fisker: So it's cool if we tie you to a pole and unleash ravenous birds? |
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| 08:45.31 | Fisker | you cannot tie me to a pole |
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| 08:49.20 | asmodai | Torhal: Please do :D |
| 08:51.26 | kandarz | asmodai: is your curse username "awudoin"? |
| 08:51.55 | asmodai | no |
| 08:52.01 | asmodai | either asmodai or ashemedai |
| 08:52.10 | asmodai | curse was ashemedai |
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| 08:52.12 | digmouse | is Stalvan the only undead that would try to run away on low health? |
| 08:52.24 | asmodai | <Fisker> He wouldn't |
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| 08:52.49 | Adirelle|work | haste, got time to take a look at http://github.com/Adirelle/oUF/blob/f9aeabee6fbb69c2f6159629470876fe5c4335ed/elements/vehicle.lua ? |
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| 08:53.36 | asmodai | kandarz: funny btw, they changed the npc zone information on the webpage, rewriting the scaper now XD |
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| 08:54.46 | kandarz | asmodai: don't worry about getting the data, make some data up |
| 08:55.21 | asmodai | kandarz: it's minor stuff anyway to get it, just need to adjust one thing. |
| 08:55.47 | asmodai | kandarz: Been looking at some different algorithms for this kind of thing, should come out ok |
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| 08:56.50 | kandarz | asmodai: good, because I'm about ready to write the single quest/npc scan part of the updater |
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| 09:04.05 | Gnarfoz | Dessa: ping |
| 09:04.46 | Gnarfoz | ~seen polarina |
| 09:04.48 | purl | polarina <n=polarina@wesnoth/translator/Polarina> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 6h 55m 31s ago, saying: 'Or detect caps lock and make it not work!'. |
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| 09:06.14 | Dessa | Gnarfoz: pong |
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| 09:17.06 | Fisker | i see that Blizzard still doesn't dare update the battered hilt droprates on the armory lol :P |
| 09:17.22 | KriLL3 | Shadowed: there isn't a way to manually update your EG summary is there? |
| 09:17.35 | KriLL3 | say I just changed set/spec |
| 09:18.50 | Gnarfoz | Dessa: this might seem random: any idea why #mumble has mode +i set even though the channel is advertised on Mumble's homepage? ;< |
| 09:19.43 | Dessa | must be new, didn't seen it until you said it now |
| 09:19.50 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: to keep out the riffraff ofc |
| 09:19.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm curious as to how the WoW positional audio plugin was realized... my guess is "in a way that could probably mean risk to your account" |
| 09:20.00 | Dessa | err |
| 09:20.08 | Dessa | it isn't +i? |
| 09:20.28 | KriLL3 | nope it isn't |
| 09:20.37 | Gnarfoz | *checks* |
| 09:20.47 | KriLL3 | it's tnc |
| 09:20.57 | Gnarfoz | oh multi-network support |
| 09:21.13 | Gnarfoz | my previous try was executed on GameSurge |
| 09:21.14 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 09:21.36 | Dessa | and this is why multi-network support sucks :P |
| 09:21.55 | Dessa | i really can't see why people want that in ZNC |
| 09:21.58 | KriLL3 | is it multi network or are there just other chans of that name on other networks? |
| 09:22.20 | Dessa | the latter |
| 09:22.31 | KriLL3 | yeah what I figured |
| 09:22.37 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: get your networks right =P |
| 09:22.52 | KriLL3 | can't join #wowace on a random non freenode network |
| 09:23.54 | Gnarfoz | Dessa: znc? it was irssi in this case (and irssi makes it obvious that I failed at paying attention) |
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| 09:24.45 | Dessa | i thoiught that you were talking about psybnc's multi network craq. |
| 09:24.54 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: don't you open all networks can channels you frequent automatically on launching your IRC client? |
| 09:25.03 | KriLL3 | *and |
| 09:25.04 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 09:26.30 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: yes, irssi would auto-join everything as configured, but why would I restart it :p |
| 09:27.18 | KriLL3 | you don't reboot ever? |
| 09:35.25 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: not my server, no |
| 09:35.36 | KriLL3 | I reboot my server if only to install updates |
| 09:36.18 | Gnarfoz | well, kernel upgrades could necessitate a reboot some day |
| 09:36.52 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: could you hilight me, please? |
| 09:37.01 | olafski | gnarfoz: |
| 09:37.02 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz |
| 09:37.12 | Gnarfoz | I mangled my hilight window split a few minutes ago |
| 09:37.24 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/loot-council/. Loot Council. kandarz (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 09:37.27 | Gnarfoz | ok, I seem to have recreated it properly |
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| 09:51.17 | KriLL3 | my brother is weird, he whines constantly about random issues he have in wow, and whines about this addons bugging since he never ever updates em, but when I fixed said issues by installing better/newer addons and updating others he complained about me doing that |
| 09:52.29 | KriLL3 | I had to semi force him to switch from cart, but he's still using x-perl |
| 09:52.56 | Gnarfoz | nuke his addon dir :p |
| 09:53.11 | KriLL3 | then he'll just play with default UI and whine even more |
| 09:53.16 | orionshock | if you can't appreciate what you have, you can't have any of it |
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| 09:56.13 | KriLL3 | I think he doesn't like that I'm vastly more proficient with computers, since I'm the older brother I had to learn how to use computers and I'm more geeky, while he just uses computers, and it chafes that he needs to ask for help with a lot of computer related stuff |
| 09:56.35 | KriLL3 | my dad is similar, he just uses computers, he doesn't know anything about them |
| 09:58.04 | Megalon | tell them to buy mac's ;x |
| 09:58.16 | KriLL3 | lol |
| 09:58.17 | KriLL3 | never |
| 09:58.50 | KriLL3 | macs are pointless objects, any my brother games mostly anyway |
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| 10:05.36 | KriLL3 | great, in a pug for weekly raid, and leader drops offline all the time, and the one assist seems to be asleep |
| 10:07.21 | orionshock | i always said that pugable content is bad |
| 10:07.30 | vhaarr | he's not asleep, he just doesn't understand english |
| 10:07.58 | yoshimo | kandarz , i think your webserver has a problem . It errors when i tried to upload my eq file |
| 10:15.22 | kandarz | yoshimo: what was the error |
| 10:16.26 | orionshock | KriLL3, do u have CC premium? |
| 10:16.31 | KriLL3 | no |
| 10:16.38 | KriLL3 | way too cheap |
| 10:16.48 | KriLL3 | I just blocked the chinese wife ads |
| 10:16.52 | orionshock | well, one recommendation i could make is to install it on his computer and set it for automagic :) |
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| 10:17.44 | KriLL3 | he never opens the client since he doesn't untick the graphics acceleration and thus it makes wow slow |
| 10:18.16 | KriLL3 | not really sure why the client even has that option |
| 10:18.38 | KriLL3 | and since he almost never opens it there are always a list of updates longer than your leg, and he cba doing it |
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| 10:19.42 | KriLL3 | the evil circle of lazyness |
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| 10:23.37 | orionshock | KriLL3, start it for him then hide the icon, :) |
| 10:24.06 | KriLL3 | well I'm not premium :< |
| 10:24.11 | KriLL3 | so can't do it automagic |
| 10:24.14 | olafski | the client makes wow slow if you use that option? hmm |
| 10:24.19 | KriLL3 | yeah |
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| 10:31.36 | KriLL3 | and it's the default option |
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| 10:31.56 | KriLL3 | guess it might make the GPU re-direct resources away from the main display where wow is to the secondary display |
| 10:32.02 | KriLL3 | or something |
| 10:32.29 | KriLL3 | lol noth 10 man is too easy |
| 10:33.04 | KriLL3 | guess that goes for all of naxx, remember doing it in 200 blue/purple gear back when I hit 80, in 232/245 it's not really a challange |
| 10:33.35 | olafski | oh really :P |
| 10:35.53 | Mikk | now the REAL question is |
| 10:35.59 | Mikk | why are you doing noth in gear like that? =) |
| 10:36.03 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: uhh why? |
| 10:36.05 | Mikk | hmm wait maybe noth is the weekly in US |
| 10:37.37 | CrazyBenny | is there another addon, that can make your raidframes look liek Grid, but dont make you lag liek hell in 40men raids? |
| 10:37.52 | Kalroth | 40 men, eh? |
| 10:37.55 | CrazyBenny | whats wrong with that like :S |
| 10:38.01 | Kalroth | girls play wow too you know! |
| 10:38.20 | CrazyBenny | no, they dont! |
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| 10:39.20 | KriLL3 | weekly is different server by server |
| 10:39.20 | Wobin | CrazyBenny, why not just use grid? |
| 10:39.23 | KriLL3 | I think |
| 10:40.02 | KriLL3 | Wobin: it lags, it's ugly, it doesn't show full name, all indicators you need are modules etc etc |
| 10:40.04 | CrazyBenny | Wobin: because it makes the game lag a lot in 40men raids |
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| 10:40.32 | KriLL3 | I'd argue that blizzard's raid frames are better |
| 10:40.33 | Wobin | KriLL3, Not that I've noticed, It's a grid, So?, And? |
| 10:40.39 | CrazyBenny | its fien everywhere, but AV and IoC is unplayable:( |
| 10:41.12 | KriLL3 | Wobin: I need full names, can't figure out who is who without the full shape of the name |
| 10:41.29 | Wobin | Colour blind and/or vision impaired? |
| 10:41.32 | CrazyBenny | full names need way too much space |
| 10:41.37 | evl | Can anyone recommend a DK leveling build valid in 3.3? I seem to only find old crap |
| 10:41.45 | olafski | I like grid :< |
| 10:41.48 | KriLL3 | no but shapes of names/words are more efficient than having to read em |
| 10:41.50 | Wobin | evl, you can level with any tree really |
| 10:42.01 | evl | Let's say I want to do it as fast as possible |
| 10:42.02 | evl | :P |
| 10:42.04 | Wobin | KriLL3, bah, that's what the class colours are for |
| 10:42.09 | KriLL3 | evl: not sure it really matters |
| 10:42.15 | Wobin | evl, then level by tanking instances |
| 10:42.34 | KriLL3 | you get packages in the mail with gear if you do randoms at low level |
| 10:42.40 | orionshock | evl, blood |
| 10:42.42 | Wobin | KriLL3, he'll be 55 |
| 10:42.51 | KriLL3 | Wobin: not sure when that stops |
| 10:43.04 | Wobin | probably 60 |
| 10:43.34 | KriLL3 | a bit weird imo that there isn't raid roles in wow except MT |
| 10:43.39 | Wobin | if not before |
| 10:43.52 | KriLL3 | would be nice to be able to mark players by role in raids |
| 10:43.56 | Wobin | KriLL3, cause there's usually only ever one MT |
| 10:44.02 | Wobin | the rest of the roles there are multiples |
| 10:44.07 | evl | I found a guide here with 54/17/0, does that sound okay? Started like 15 mins ago :) |
| 10:44.08 | KriLL3 | Wobin: sure, but what about dps, OT and healers? |
| 10:44.15 | Wobin | KriLL3, who cares about them? |
| 10:44.24 | KriLL3 | would be nice to mark em out |
| 10:44.27 | Wobin | the healers know who to heal |
| 10:44.34 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 10:44.35 | Wobin | or they -should- without needing marks |
| 10:44.42 | KriLL3 | no that's not what I'm talking about |
| 10:44.45 | Wobin | like asking in /raid "Hey, who's tanking" |
| 10:44.54 | KriLL3 | I mean mark em as healers, so you know how many you got in a pug etc |
| 10:45.09 | Wobin | KriLL3, if you don't know who's healing in your raid, it's time to get out |
| 10:45.13 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 10:45.15 | KriLL3 | it's a pug |
| 10:45.18 | Wobin | yes |
| 10:45.18 | KriLL3 | I don't know their specs |
| 10:45.20 | Wobin | time to LEAVE |
| 10:45.26 | Wobin | so... why don't you -ask-? |
| 10:45.47 | yoshimo | you can guess the spec if you have a look at mana and maxhealth ;) |
| 10:45.48 | KriLL3 | we did, multiple times, they didn't answer all at the same time |
| 10:45.56 | Wobin | lrn2raidlead |
| 10:46.16 | yoshimo | inspect also works ^^ |
| 10:46.20 | Wobin | if you -need- marks to keep things organised, you might want to look at other jobs =P |
| 10:46.25 | KriLL3 | yes I should get a piece of paper and write down who are healers... |
| 10:46.38 | Wobin | how many healers do you -have-? |
| 10:46.51 | Wobin | 23.4? |
| 10:47.24 | KriLL3 | just makes sense imo to apply the LFD system of role icons |
| 10:48.01 | KriLL3 | instead of asking who are healers, and then mark em with raid icons or something like that, or putting em in their own party etc |
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| 10:48.33 | KriLL3 | but I guess I'm crazy |
| 10:48.46 | Wobin | worries slightly about your raids if you put all the healers into the same party |
| 10:48.46 | orionshock | KriLL3, don't think raids use the ingame role system |
| 10:49.18 | Wobin | because raid icons are so everyone can know where certain things are. |
| 10:49.19 | olafski | < KriLL3> Wobin: not sure when that stops <-- 70 |
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| 10:49.34 | Wobin | People don't -care- where the healers are |
| 10:49.43 | yoshimo | if they dont die |
| 10:49.48 | KriLL3 | Wobin: you're still not getting it |
| 10:49.54 | Wobin | no, I'm really not. |
| 10:50.06 | Wobin | because I don't see a reason why you need raid icons on healers |
| 10:50.16 | KriLL3 | press O in a raid and look at the raid tab, list of players, why not put an icon next to them with their role? |
| 10:50.26 | KriLL3 | to know that they're the healers |
| 10:50.28 | Wobin | if you're leading a raid, and you don't know who's healing |
| 10:50.32 | Kalroth | hahaha |
| 10:50.33 | Wobin | You stop the raid til you find out. |
| 10:50.35 | KriLL3 | hard to know in a pug |
| 10:50.39 | Wobin | yes |
| 10:50.40 | Wobin | Stop the raid |
| 10:50.45 | KriLL3 | especially when no one is answering |
| 10:50.47 | Wobin | and boot out anyone who complains |
| 10:50.57 | Wobin | This is what leading a raid is all about =P |
| 10:51.03 | KriLL3 | ... and a simple icon isn't a more elegant solution? |
| 10:51.08 | Wobin | no, it's not |
| 10:51.09 | Kalroth | "Ok retards, I'll start kicking healer hybrids until healing is sorted - paladins goes first" |
| 10:51.10 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 10:51.15 | Wobin | because it's not needed |
| 10:51.22 | KriLL3 | in your oppinion |
| 10:51.25 | Wobin | Kalroth, exactly |
| 10:51.36 | Kalroth | It's not simpler since you need to know more than just who heals |
| 10:51.40 | KriLL3 | is any class not a healing hybrid? |
| 10:51.46 | Wobin | mage |
| 10:51.46 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: if your opinion is that you *need* that, then my opinion is that you shouldn't lead raids |
| 10:51.48 | Wobin | warlock |
| 10:51.48 | Wobin | hunter |
| 10:51.50 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 10:51.51 | Wobin | rogue |
| 10:51.52 | Wobin | warrior |
| 10:51.53 | Kalroth | a DK is a hybrid, a warrior is a hybrid |
| 10:51.53 | KriLL3 | any that an heal, silly |
| 10:51.56 | Wobin | DK |
| 10:52.03 | Wobin | did I miss any? |
| 10:52.13 | KriLL3 | Wobin: that can heal silly |
| 10:52.19 | KriLL3 | just because it's a priest doesn't mean it's a healer |
| 10:52.30 | Kalroth | It's pretty simple: you need to know who is healing and WHAT they're healing - raid icons doesn't that for you |
| 10:52.37 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: don't need it, but it would make PUGing a lot simpler |
| 10:52.39 | Wobin | ... "Is any class not a healing hybrid that can heal"? |
| 10:52.42 | Wobin | what? |
| 10:52.44 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Just ask or inspect and write down, done |
| 10:52.45 | Kalroth | there's MT healers, raid healers, special ability healers (if it's a non-spank fight) |
| 10:52.55 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: it wouldn't since the raid leader(s) should decide who heals (and who heals what), not the players. |
| 10:52.56 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: they don't answer when asked, they're not close to inspect |
| 10:53.01 | orionshock | You cannot use an addon to solve a social problem |
| 10:53.03 | Wobin | SunTsu, He doesn't want to have to do any work in leading a raid |
| 10:53.04 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: that's not what I'm talking about |
| 10:53.08 | Wobin | he wants it all done for him |
| 10:53.12 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: I'm talking about WHO heals |
| 10:53.13 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: so kick them, when they're neither close nor answer |
| 10:53.15 | Kalroth | "they don't answer when asked" <- this should be your first clue to get the fuck out of there |
| 10:53.21 | SunTsu | KriLL3: then get new members |
| 10:53.21 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 10:53.26 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: that's how a pug works |
| 10:53.34 | Wobin | (This is what I've been saying all along =P) |
| 10:53.34 | Gnarfoz | communication > * |
| 10:53.35 | KriLL3 | they're afk 50% of the time |
| 10:53.35 | Kalroth | KriLL3: No, thats how your pug works |
| 10:53.40 | Wobin | if they're afk |
| 10:53.42 | Wobin | BOOT THEM |
| 10:53.50 | SunTsu | KriLL3: remove them, get new ones, done |
| 10:53.57 | KriLL3 | could last forever |
| 10:53.59 | Wobin | if they're not willing to be part of the raid, BOOT TO THE HEAD |
| 10:54.07 | orionshock | na na |
| 10:54.08 | SunTsu | ask the rest about their roles, so you know what to replace |
| 10:54.09 | Kalroth | they're no good if afk anyways, no? |
| 10:54.22 | Gnarfoz | PUGs work best when the leader is strict about "hey if you don't play by my rules, you're getting replaced" (within reasonable limits etc) |
| 10:54.23 | Kalroth | can they heal if afk? no they cant, so boot them |
| 10:54.32 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: and you don't think a simple icon next to them with their role is simpler than asking all the time? |
| 10:54.44 | SunTsu | KriLL3: all the time? Once |
| 10:54.45 | Wobin | you're missing the point |
| 10:54.45 | Kalroth | all the time? ask when you invite them to the raid? |
| 10:54.46 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: dude, stop raid leading if you have to ask "all the time" |
| 10:54.55 | orionshock | it's like what i told people back in the day about vent, "it's not here for you to talk, it's here for you to listen to me", akf = boot |
| 10:55.03 | Kalroth | "hello stranger, are you a healer or a tank?" |
| 10:55.03 | Wobin | if you're leading the raid, you should -know- these things |
| 10:55.11 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: pugs don't work like that, leader doesn't remain constant, most pugs I join get a new leader at least once |
| 10:55.18 | Kalroth | what? |
| 10:55.20 | SunTsu | KriLL3: there are things that do remember stuff, they are called pen and paper |
| 10:55.34 | Wobin | you're really asking for a coded solution to a social problem |
| 10:55.35 | Gnarfoz | you're describing terribad pugs... this shouldn't be worth anyone's time discussing. :p |
| 10:55.38 | Kalroth | again, YOUR pugs are rather different from any pug I've been in :) |
| 10:55.39 | SunTsu | KriLL3: btw. how do you invite if you don't know what tey do? |
| 10:55.44 | SunTsu | they even |
| 10:56.00 | KriLL3 | pug I just joined had a leader that dropped offline all the time, then finally remained offline, new leader was assigned automatically, he didn't want to lead, made me leader since I was the only one talking in raid, then I ask who are healers, silence |
| 10:56.02 | Kalroth | pugs that invite people without knowing their role or gear are doomed regardless |
| 10:56.06 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: I didn't invite |
| 10:56.29 | Kalroth | yes, you disband the raid and start over then |
| 10:56.29 | Wobin | KriLL3, get ouuuut, get ouuut =P |
| 10:56.33 | SunTsu | I like to quote Bruce Schneier at this point "If you think technology can solve your problems you don't know technology and you don't know your problems" |
| 10:56.54 | KriLL3 | Wobin: well we finished it 8 mans since 2 were outside when we cleared trash and didn't go in |
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| 10:57.15 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: I love groups that give out assist based on 'giev assist so I can invite <friend X>, he's really pro' (hint: he isn't) |
| 10:57.29 | KriLL3 | simply saying, the LFD system of showing the role of the players is convenient, extending it to raids would be nice... can't see why that caused a tempest in a water bottle |
| 10:57.40 | Kalroth | there are major problems with throwing raid icons on players with a healer spec; 1) they might have joined as DPS, but forgot to respec - 2) they're afk - 3) they got no idea what to heal |
| 10:58.11 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: make em pick when they join |
| 10:58.11 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: because the choice of who does what should not be in riad member's hands, it's the raid leader's responsibility |
| 10:58.11 | Kalroth | a raid LEADER needs to sort these things before pulling, otherwise they aren't a raid LEADER. :) |
| 10:58.11 | KriLL3 | and what to heal isn't the thing I'm talking about |
| 10:58.17 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: exactly ;o |
| 10:58.20 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: the concept of a leader in a pug is somewhat different... |
| 10:58.25 | Wobin | no |
| 10:58.26 | Gnarfoz | no, it isn't |
| 10:58.28 | Wobin | it's exactly the same |
| 10:58.34 | Wobin | in fact, it's more important |
| 10:58.34 | Kalroth | no, the concept of a leader in YOUR pugs is very different :) |
| 10:58.34 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: still not talking about that, talking about their roles |
| 10:58.38 | Gnarfoz | that's what needs to be done |
| 10:58.43 | Kalroth | in the pugs I join there's a real leader |
| 10:58.45 | orionshock | KriLL3, what ever your smoking please share |
| 10:58.45 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: they're all like this |
| 10:58.46 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: they should NOT be choosing them themselves! |
| 10:59.01 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: they shouldn't choose tank/dps/healer themselves? |
| 10:59.08 | KriLL3 | right I'll make that warlock a tank then |
| 10:59.18 | KriLL3 | the mage is a healer |
| 10:59.30 | Kalroth | .. |
| 10:59.32 | KriLL3 | go bandages go |
| 10:59.32 | Wobin | You're clearly a terrible raid leader =P |
| 10:59.34 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: no, at the most they should... advertise what roles they can reasonably fill, but the decision should be made by the leader |
| 10:59.53 | Gnarfoz | but hey you know that already because you invited them |
| 10:59.54 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 10:59.58 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure raid icons wont fix your pugs, nothing will :p |
| 11:00.03 | Gnarfoz | (it'd just be an easy visual clue) |
| 11:00.05 | KriLL3 | and I'm saying it's naive to expect that to work in pugs, where leader can change at any time |
| 11:00.19 | Kalroth | in your pugs* |
| 11:00.24 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: as said I didn't invite anyone |
| 11:00.24 | Gnarfoz | leader only changes when the leader leaves... if he does, he probably was a bad leader anyway :< |
| 11:00.52 | KriLL3 | or his parents cuts the power |
| 11:00.52 | Kalroth | if I join a random pug and the leader leaves, I'm out of there too |
| 11:00.56 | Gnarfoz | grah, discussing bad pugs, with bad players, lead by bad players is... frustrating |
| 11:01.03 | orionshock | KriLL3, it's naive to think that after 10+ years of established doctorine YOU are going to change how things work in MMO Raiding |
| 11:01.05 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: parents what ;D |
| 11:01.11 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: I'd never get anything done if I left at first sign of trouble in a PUG |
| 11:01.23 | olafski | living with parents = shouldn't raid |
| 11:01.27 | olafski | let alone lead |
| 11:01.46 | KriLL3 | orionshock: never said I wanted to, people are getting this very confused, they think I want to assign who heals who etc, I'm just saying icons that show WHO are healers/dps/tank would be useful |
| 11:01.51 | SunTsu | Gnarfoz: sometimes it's good the leader leaves, especially when he doesn't know what he is doing |
| 11:01.51 | Gnarfoz | case in point: if your PUG is led by some random kid who gets in trouble with his parents because he's up too late, you should hightail it out of there :D |
| 11:01.54 | olafski | we did ignis yesterday, but after like 5 people died the other tank said "sorry mom is yapping in my ear" |
| 11:01.57 | olafski | booted him ;p |
| 11:02.52 | Gnarfoz | paying attention to my Oracle course while discussing PUGs is... hard |
| 11:03.00 | KriLL3 | would also be nice to have raidicons that are more descriptive, like a shield for MT... now flame me more please. |
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| 11:03.31 | KriLL3 | need the flames to keep warm |
| 11:03.56 | Gnarfoz | what's the LFD icon for tank then? it *is* a shield, IIRC? |
| 11:04.02 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 11:04.07 | KriLL3 | but it's not a raidicon |
| 11:04.21 | KriLL3 | and up to this point I haven't talked at all about raidicons |
| 11:04.21 | Gnarfoz | I thought you were talking about the raid pane |
| 11:04.29 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 11:04.31 | KriLL3 | yes I was |
| 11:04.54 | Gnarfoz | universally usable symbols are fine by me, there could just be more of them imho |
| 11:05.03 | Gnarfoz | say, 4 more or something at least |
| 11:05.09 | Gnarfoz | pulls are getting huge :P |
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| 11:06.48 | olafski | and then expect your members to remember a kill order of 12 ;) |
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| 11:08.03 | Gnarfoz | olafski: nah, but it makes it easier to call out priority targets |
| 11:08.09 | olafski | yer true :) |
| 11:08.23 | Gnarfoz | of course, I could just mark highest priority first and leave unimportant targets unmarked (which is what I do now) |
| 11:08.35 | olafski | yeah I tend to do that |
| 11:08.46 | olafski | mark 1-2, and then mark others as necessary while fighting |
| 11:08.48 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:08.57 | Gnarfoz | marks Fisker with {rt8} |
| 11:09.05 | asmodai | sets Fisker on fire |
| 11:13.30 | Megalon | enjoys |
| 11:14.25 | asmodai | brings out the marshmellows |
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| 11:19.26 | Guest7310 | good morning! :D |
| 11:21.06 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FjuEPnuKtU&hd=1 |
| 11:21.16 | asmodai | Love how they present vertex shading as something new ;) |
| 11:21.32 | asmodai | But have to say that the redesign looks very good. Trees are less blocky too. |
| 11:21.46 | KriLL3 | olafski: how about numbers? =P |
| 11:21.57 | KriLL3 | hard not to know what "1" stands for |
| 11:22.11 | KriLL3 | and auto reducing the number if the previous ones are dead |
| 11:22.16 | KriLL3 | say 1 is dead, 2 becomes 1 |
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| 11:22.36 | Repo | Corrected entrancePortal coordinates for the four Scarlet Monastery instances - they were all using identical incorrect coordinates. |
| 11:22.37 | Repo | Scarlet Monastery is a complex, not a proper instance: Removed 'type = "Instance"' from its definition. |
| 11:22.45 | KriLL3 | separate from normal raid icons ofc, or it would be confusing to have em change |
| 11:23.05 | asmodai | and gold spammers found twitter for wow too: |
| 11:23.12 | asmodai | Topgameguides FREE WORLD OF WARCRAFT GOLD TIP: Wetlands Razormaw Hatchling Raptor Pet! 1000s of GOLD! http://bit.ly/2lQC2k WoW BC WotLK Cataclysm Youtube |
| 11:23.16 | asmodai | >_< |
| 11:23.32 | KriLL3 | asmodai: you really don't have to echo that here =P |
| 11:23.35 | SunTsu | asmodai: and you have to help them spam? :> |
| 11:24.12 | asmodai | Heh, gomen gomen |
| 11:24.13 | KriLL3 | oh great the mage whining whole instance about us not doing an anchi that isn't trivial was lower dps than me (tank)... |
| 11:24.25 | KriLL3 | guess his whining came in the way of dps |
| 11:24.51 | asmodai | "We are discussing the idea of increasing the benefits of resilience for the next Arena season. We will have to see what effect this has on healing and whether or not weapon inflation from the newest items can adequately offset any of those effects." Why do they persist with this PvP travesty? :P |
| 11:25.19 | Gnarfoz | that's right, just remove pvp! |
| 11:25.20 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 11:25.20 | KriLL3 | I just hope pvp is the fastest & easiest way to getting pvp gear in next season, faster, easier to get it in pve atm |
| 11:25.36 | KriLL3 | and there aren't even pvp weapons except at 1800 rating |
| 11:26.14 | KriLL3 | really stupid that you can get arena gear faster from heroics than going arena |
| 11:26.23 | asmodai | ut oh: "What we'll likely do for the next expansion is ramp damage up a little as players advance, but have health pools increase greatly and healing increase by marginal amounts. The same change would have benefits for PvE too because mana then becomes a consideration for healers[...]" |
| 11:26.46 | KriLL3 | asmodai: sounds good to me, healing atm is way too powerful in pvp |
| 11:27.05 | asmodai | Yea, but it does reflect on PvE raids as well though :) |
| 11:27.09 | KriLL3 | dps can't kill players faster than healing heals them most cases |
| 11:27.25 | KriLL3 | asmodai: larger health pools and slightly less efficient healing = smoother |
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| 11:27.38 | Repo | 7bb23fa: In Tooltip_AddInstance(): If the location and complex are an exact match, omit the zone column. |
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| 11:27.51 | KriLL3 | means less random instagibs |
| 11:28.12 | KriLL3 | healers have time to react if you see the MT slowly go down instead of hit 10% suddenly |
| 11:28.36 | KriLL3 | and it would be nice to make mana matter again, doesn't matter at all it seems |
| 11:29.18 | Yivry | the water really looks nice... and I wonder why they never used vertex shaders before :p |
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| 11:31.28 | Gnarfoz | Yivry: I don't have sound here, but unless they're saying that they didn't, I'm quite positive that they've been using vertex shaders forever |
| 11:31.49 | Yivry | they say its a new technique |
| 11:32.01 | Gnarfoz | well, there's lots of ways you can use them, I'm sure |
| 11:32.05 | Yivry | or at least not possible before, something like that |
| 11:32.11 | Gnarfoz | but WoW has had options to turn off/on vertex shader stuff for ages |
| 11:32.34 | Gnarfoz | (i've put the video on my "watch at home" link list, seems interestnig :D) |
| 11:33.24 | Gnarfoz | shit, their world editing tools look sick :D |
| 11:34.03 | Yivry | wtb, right :P |
| 11:39.35 | asmodai | KriLL3: well that's true. :) |
| 11:40.05 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: check the crysis demos of their world editing tools :) |
| 11:40.16 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: linky linky? :> |
| 11:40.43 | asmodai | moment |
| 11:41.23 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slN0QxRm19U&fmt=18 |
| 11:42.36 | Gnarfoz | *adds to list* |
| 11:43.07 | asmodai | Not sure if they have more recent |
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| 11:44.01 | sztanpet | goddamn how can i passh grep -> as a string |
| 11:44.13 | sztanpet | how do i escape that on the command line |
| 11:44.20 | asmodai | grep -- "->" |
| 11:44.47 | KriLL3 | vertex shaders are DX10 I think |
| 11:45.05 | KriLL3 | aka couldn't have been done that far ago |
| 11:45.22 | KriLL3 | * long ago |
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| 11:45.40 | Yivry | OpenGL has had them far longer ;) |
| 11:46.07 | KriLL3 | you think they'll update the old player models & textures? can see a very big improvement on the new races |
| 11:46.30 | sztanpet | thanks asmodai |
| 11:46.30 | Yivry | I think its too much work |
| 11:46.34 | KriLL3 | wow looks a bit weird atm, vanilla content looks really bland & basic, TBC is a bit better and LK is head and shoulders above the others |
| 11:46.42 | Yivry | (if only you look at how long the druid forms took >.<) |
| 11:46.45 | SunTsu | Yivry: they redo all Azeroth... |
| 11:46.52 | Fisker | omg i'm killing you KriLL3 :( |
| 11:47.04 | KriLL3 | Fisker: no, no you aren't. |
| 11:47.54 | asmodai | Nah |
| 11:48.01 | asmodai | vertex shading was in 9 already |
| 11:48.03 | asmodai | DirectX 9 brings us some new features in the way of pixel and vertex shaders version 2.0. |
| 11:48.58 | Gnarfoz | YOU FACE JARAXXUS |
| 11:49.21 | asmodai | KriLL3: yeah, it's quite annoying at times :) |
| 11:49.23 | Gnarfoz | vertex shaders are dx7 afaik |
| 11:49.29 | Gnarfoz | (1.0) |
| 11:49.35 | asmodai | well, dx 8 brought pixel shading 1.0 |
| 11:49.42 | asmodai | So I doubt it was in DX 7 |
| 11:49.48 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 11:49.49 | KriLL3 | hmm, don't think it was widely used until fairly recently |
| 11:50.07 | Gnarfoz | vertex shaders are older than pixel shaders, in terms of "being in directx" |
| 11:50.13 | asmodai | mmm |
| 11:50.16 | asmodai | checks some more |
| 11:50.18 | Gnarfoz | used for instancing and cloning of objects |
| 11:50.30 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 11:50.51 | asmodai | backstabs Fisker |
| 11:51.01 | asmodai | FUU red hat and your shitty update servers |
| 11:51.28 | asmodai | Going to replace these RHEL boxes with Ubuntu installs at some point in the future. |
| 11:51.34 | KriLL3 | asmodai: isn't it free? |
| 11:51.43 | Gnarfoz | Fiskermen |
| 11:51.50 | Gnarfoz | why no EU armory update |
| 11:52.07 | KriLL3 | because the US has to betatest everything for us first |
| 11:52.38 | KriLL3 | or the EU branch of blizz are lazy |
| 11:53.15 | Yivry | i bet it is more like, the us guys want to pester the eu guys |
| 11:53.22 | Yivry | "no you cant have it yet" |
| 11:53.23 | Fisker | the eu branch is lazy KriLL3 |
| 11:53.28 | Yivry | "aaw why not" |
| 11:53.35 | Yivry | "because we say so" |
| 11:53.46 | Yivry | ":(" |
| 11:53.46 | KriLL3 | Fisker: well they're french |
| 11:54.04 | KriLL3 | frenchies are lazy |
| 11:54.14 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: mm, I see DX 7 did vertex buffers at least |
| 11:56.51 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: yeah... hm. and vertex shaders in 8.0 |
| 11:58.04 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7032 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update |
| 11:58.46 | asmodai | Gnarfoz: cool, so that means that most of Blizzard's users should be able to use the vertex shading |
| 11:59.06 | Gnarfoz | too bad we'll never have something like "hey we replaced WoW's graphics engine with a totally new DX11 backend, with all the new stuff used strategically all over the place" |
| 11:59.27 | Gnarfoz | asmodai: not sure what "the vertex shading" is, in this case, I'dh ave to have sound for that (i.e. listen to the video ^^) |
| 12:00.10 | Gnarfoz | reading the d3d wikipedia entry (without knowing what the video is about) sounds to me like they're actually talking about Geometry Shaders? |
| 12:00.26 | Yivry | its the part where he draws the 3 colored strokes, and then moves on to lighten some cliffs with it |
| 12:00.29 | Gnarfoz | because vertex shaders (at least 1.0) seem to usually used for stuff that WoW probably does already |
| 12:00.41 | Gnarfoz | *be used |
| 12:01.02 | yoshimo | Gnarfoz , i still hope that the engine will be able to use new hardware better than the old one, and shows mobs&stuff from further away than the current one ^^ |
| 12:01.17 | Gnarfoz | that's not only an engine limitation tho |
| 12:01.30 | Gnarfoz | would increase client/server traffic, etc |
| 12:01.44 | Gnarfoz | I'd like my pretty decent system to not drop to crawling FPS in raids, first |
| 12:01.46 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 12:02.07 | Gnarfoz | Lua interpreter -> dedicated thread, or something |
| 12:02.59 | Mikk | yeah well |
| 12:03.08 | Mikk | UNFORTUNATELY that thread is the same one as the graphics one |
| 12:04.06 | yoshimo | how many addons do you use? |
| 12:05.07 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: quite some, but none of them are really horrible in terms of CPU use, still, simply the amount of them seems to bog it down, or something |
| 12:05.52 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: mhrm? looks like you're being sarcastic, but it's not really deniable that WoW hardly makes use of multi-core cpus :\ |
| 12:06.25 | Mikk | no it's more the fact that wow's graphics engine halts for Lua work |
| 12:06.46 | Gnarfoz | you weren't being sarcastic, wtf |
| 12:07.11 | Gnarfoz | wow's graphics engine does too many things on the CPU that should/could be done by the GPU ;( |
| 12:07.29 | Gnarfoz | but that'd limit the range of systems WoW runs on |
| 12:08.24 | SunTsu | Gnarfoz: it does now, too, because you need too much CPU power currently |
| 12:08.30 | yoshimo | Gnarfoz, cant they do an engine that scales? ;) |
| 12:09.06 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: that's probably the pinnacle of what you can achieve in an engine ;> |
| 12:09.08 | Yivry | just rewrite the engine multithreaded |
| 12:09.29 | Yivry | problem solved |
| 12:09.40 | Gnarfoz | SunTsu: well, yeah, you could say that |
| 12:09.43 | Mikk | at the very least it seems to me that they could separate UI and game graphics |
| 12:10.01 | Yivry | would make sense indeed Mikk |
| 12:10.21 | Gnarfoz | they could do a lot of things, sadly, the engine has not improved much at all (in terms of performance) over the years |
| 12:10.41 | Gnarfoz | they tacked on some stuff, but that only degraded performance even more (hi CPU shadows :X) |
| 12:11.06 | Yivry | probably because they would need to rewrite parts of the development software too if the engine changes :/ |
| 12:13.00 | asmodai | I wonder how hard it would be to separate the lua thread from the gfx engine threading |
| 12:13.01 | SunTsu | Gnarfoz: hell, most not so current boards have built-in gfx-cards that can handle all gfx WoW needs just fine |
| 12:13.15 | Megalon | wouldn't that generate some problems with OnUpdate |
| 12:14.18 | asmodai | Megalon: probably, but I guess you'd have to use something like barriers, yields or something like that for synchronization |
| 12:14.21 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: that's just the thing... you throttle most OnUpdate things anyway, because "each frame" is too much most of the time anyway |
| 12:16.30 | Gnarfoz | sighs |
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| 12:16.50 | Gnarfoz | WoW is too old for any of this to change anymore, I think :( |
| 12:17.17 | yoshimo | never give up hope ;) |
| 12:17.23 | Yivry | depends on what their plans are after cataclysm me thinks |
| 12:17.50 | Yivry | didnt they say they wanted to go to lvl 100 at least? they are adding lvls per 5 now :/ |
| 12:17.53 | Gnarfoz | any such drastic change would of course happen with an expansion |
| 12:18.10 | Gnarfoz | Yivry: at least they had zones mapped out for up to level 100 |
| 12:18.26 | Gnarfoz | not sure they have any storyline to fill those levels, yet |
| 12:18.27 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 12:18.32 | asmodai | Did that include Azshara ? :P |
| 12:18.48 | Yivry | Gnarfoz: they will make it up :p |
| 12:19.00 | Gnarfoz | of course they will, that's what Blizzard does |
| 12:19.09 | Gnarfoz | (kind of obvious? :P) |
| 12:19.18 | Yivry | something with the emerald dream n stuff? |
| 12:19.38 | Yivry | and who knows what happens when deathwing dies... |
| 12:19.51 | Yivry | if he dies at all that is |
| 12:20.59 | Yivry | I wonder if we ever get more Caverns of Time stuff, from the time of "Day of the Dragon" |
| 12:21.30 | Gnarfoz | malygos died, nothing happened, I doubt deathwing will be more dramatic |
| 12:21.39 | Gnarfoz | WoW's world is too static for that |
| 12:21.53 | Yivry | meh true |
| 12:23.40 | yoshimo | didnt they say, phasing will include terrainchanges in cataclysm? |
| 12:23.45 | asmodai | Yes. |
| 12:24.06 | Grum | i dislike phasing because you can loose people going into a phased area |
| 12:24.19 | Grum | you get the desync between main/alts etc because some havent done a certain quest |
| 12:24.25 | KriLL3 | would be cool if they used phasing on a per character basis to change the world depending on major quests/raid progression etc, and have the cop-out of having a bronze dragon NPC return you to the time when you did it the first time or something like that |
| 12:24.28 | Grum | then again, if it is globally, /care :P |
| 12:24.58 | KriLL3 | so visit the nexus now after completing the instances and raids and it's shattered in a heap etc |
| 12:25.52 | Yivry | the thing I hate most about phasing is that the things like veins and herbs are not phased, so someone in a different phase can pick your herb :/ |
| 12:25.58 | KriLL3 | and perhaps after completing the pivotal last quest in a zone make it less doom and gloom, more cherry etc |
| 12:26.30 | asmodai | Yivry: that screwed me over a few times |
| 12:26.39 | asmodai | Since the nodes do pop up as farmable on your minimap :( |
| 12:26.41 | KriLL3 | and phasing is a bit bugged atm, especially outside ICC, need the BBC quest to see the guards outside ICC etc |
| 12:27.09 | KriLL3 | and with BBC it can still phase wrong if you walk across the edge of it |
| 12:27.21 | KriLL3 | wish they expanded the phasing zone |
| 12:27.28 | asmodai | I am still surprised when in certain environments, think Dalaran had it, stand inside a shop with 4 crates, rotate camera and 2-3 of the 4 just vanish/fade out, leaving one floating. |
| 12:27.45 | KriLL3 | I don't get that |
| 12:27.59 | KriLL3 | I do have that with really distant mountains though |
| 12:28.16 | KriLL3 | since you see a box, not a sphere |
| 12:28.27 | KriLL3 | can see further in the corners or something |
| 12:28.34 | yoshimo | quite irritating if you see a node, try to harvest it and it vanishes right before your very eyes |
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| 12:29.10 | asmodai | yoshimo: yeah, had that with 2 titanium nodes. Glee turned to frustration :( |
| 12:29.30 | KriLL3 | not that many zones that are phased are there? can't see that being common |
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| 12:29.36 | KriLL3 | mostly IC |
| 12:29.51 | Kalroth | It's common in Icecrown and Storm Peaks, so .. :p |
| 12:29.51 | KriLL3 | and only small parts of IC at that right? |
| 12:29.58 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I don't see the guards and it's always fun seeing mobs getting roughed up by nothing |
| 12:30.14 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: heh, get the battle before the citadel quest from tournament, tada guards |
| 12:30.26 | KriLL3 | horrible bug |
| 12:30.34 | KriLL3 | they put the NPCs in the wrong phase |
| 12:30.53 | KriLL3 | further proving blizz's coders are on drugs |
| 12:31.16 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I normally complete that quest before I go to ICC |
| 12:31.23 | KriLL3 | I don't do it anymore |
| 12:31.37 | KriLL3 | got everything from the tournament, except the 5x 100 mark slightly recolored mounts |
| 12:31.42 | KriLL3 | cba |
| 12:31.52 | Yivry | maybe it was a goodbye action from someone who got fired... "ha! at least they are in the wrong phase now, suckers!" :P |
| 12:32.08 | SunTsu | it's fun wanting to summon someone via stone and not be able to see someone in your raid, because they are in another phase, therefore not be able to summon |
| 12:32.28 | KriLL3 | takes 41 days to farm 500 tournament emblems, for 5 mounts that are colored a bit differently than the standard ones... |
| 12:32.45 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: well IC is very close to dala, don't really need stone |
| 12:32.53 | asmodai | Sons of Hodir's Hot and Cold quest has that problem |
| 12:33.02 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I only do those quests because I's be bored in queue else |
| 12:33.04 | asmodai | if you move out you'll see fallen giants fade out as you approach the ice revenants |
| 12:33.13 | SunTsu | KriLL3: and that helps someone in ironforge how? ;) |
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| 12:33.26 | KriLL3 | I thought storm peaks was fairly non phased except your progression to friendly with hodir |
| 12:33.32 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: HS dala ftw |
| 12:33.48 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: what queue? |
| 12:33.49 | SunTsu | KriLL3: HS CD ftl |
| 12:33.59 | SunTsu | KriLL3: lfd queue |
| 12:34.01 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: dala ring ftw then |
| 12:34.06 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: ah you're dps? |
| 12:34.24 | KriLL3 | I'm tank, queue takes shorter time than waiting for people to press accept |
| 12:34.43 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I'm playing three or four toons currently, two of them are pure dps |
| 12:34.56 | KriLL3 | wish people that didn't accept got a 3 min debuff not letting em queue again, a lot of people not accepting |
| 12:35.11 | SunTsu | but as I don't like tanking currently with all dps having god complex I go as dps with my dk, too |
| 12:35.11 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: go tank/healer if you can |
| 12:35.20 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 12:35.26 | KriLL3 | yeah tanking is annoying atm |
| 12:35.37 | KriLL3 | even if you mark they ignore them |
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| 12:35.56 | vhaarr | I ignore marks from tanks who mark things wrong :p |
| 12:35.56 | KriLL3 | and if you don't mark they're likely to go for the ranged one you hit 1-2 times to keep aggro from healer |
| 12:36.01 | KriLL3 | I mark correctly |
| 12:36.03 | SunTsu | I even had a shadow running in front of me, pulling... |
| 12:36.11 | Yivry | mark? AoE ftw! :P |
| 12:36.26 | KriLL3 | and even if I did mark wrong I set kill order, if you don't respect my killorder I'll not taunt things heading your way |
| 12:36.28 | Gnarfoz | mark stuff in heroics? wtf |
| 12:36.35 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: I don't bother anymore, but I used to |
| 12:36.36 | vhaarr | I did VoA25 today with my hunter who dinged 80 last week and I was first on DPS for all 3 bosses |
| 12:36.41 | KriLL3 | I got a keybind to set skull |
| 12:36.42 | vhaarr | pulled aggro off the tank on Koralon |
| 12:37.04 | Yivry | l2md ;) |
| 12:37.05 | vhaarr | of course the hunter is in full epics already but still it was fun |
| 12:37.10 | vhaarr | I didn't want to :P |
| 12:37.14 | vhaarr | I wanted to pull aggro! |
| 12:37.23 | Yivry | lol |
| 12:37.52 | Yivry | its not that hard is it? what's that one shot called again? |
| 12:37.53 | KriLL3 | why doesn't dps use assist or check my target or use common sense? they usually pick one each and get angry when my swipe + maul + mangle spam can't hold aggro on all |
| 12:38.06 | Fisker | you failed vhaarr |
| 12:38.08 | Yivry | distracting shot or smt? |
| 12:38.12 | Fisker | what was your dps anyway? |
| 12:38.16 | vhaarr | 7.2k |
| 12:38.21 | KriLL3 | I can hold aggro on 2 np, but not 3+ without berserk |
| 12:38.25 | vhaarr | the tank sucked, obviously :P |
| 12:38.27 | KriLL3 | if they're all hit |
| 12:38.36 | Fisker | wtf vhaarr |
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| 12:38.48 | Fisker | what gear you have? |
| 12:38.57 | Kalroth | the tank did indeed suck, no huntard can generate enough threat to pull a normal tank'n'spank boss from me |
| 12:38.58 | vhaarr | everything I can have |
| 12:39.06 | Yivry | t9 equiv i guess thanks to heroic random farm :p |
| 12:39.09 | vhaarr | full BoE epics, ICC5mans and 3 t9 232 pieces |
| 12:39.16 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: depends on gear diff, or if the tank is primarily mitigation |
| 12:39.26 | Fisker | what spec vhaarr ? |
| 12:39.29 | vhaarr | MM |
| 12:39.35 | Kalroth | KriLL3: not really, maybe if it's a DK tank, but otherwise gear isn't an excuse |
| 12:39.36 | Fisker | wtfudge |
| 12:39.42 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: outplayed |
| 12:39.52 | Fisker | giev armory link! |
| 12:39.54 | Yivry | poor little Fisker |
| 12:40.03 | Kalroth | even in full mitigation your TPS should still be much higher than a hunter, other than maybe the first 5-10 seconds of the fight |
| 12:40.13 | vhaarr | Kalroth: I overnuked at 30% :P |
| 12:40.25 | Kalroth | vhaarr: yeah, that's bad/slack on the tanks part |
| 12:40.31 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 12:40.43 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: errm, feral for one got a bit of a dilemma, agility doesn't improve our dmg, only our dodge, so we need to balance agi & str |
| 12:40.44 | Fisker | well are you like in full epic gems and enchants then? |
| 12:40.58 | KriLL3 | while other tanks get parry from str |
| 12:41.07 | Kalroth | haha what |
| 12:41.12 | Megalon | and vhaarr, are you using da ranged |
| 12:41.16 | Megalon | or are you melee |
| 12:41.22 | Kalroth | which tank gets parry from str? DK? |
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| 12:41.26 | Gnarfoz | [12:23:54] Christian: ich hab bock auf schmutziges... :O |
| 12:41.33 | Megalon | please tell it Fisker, or else he will assplode |
| 12:41.35 | SunTsu | Kalroth: yeah |
| 12:41.38 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 12:41.48 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: all of them except druid I think |
| 12:41.56 | Kalroth | you think wrong then |
| 12:42.03 | SunTsu | Gnarfoz: then you found somebody to clean your flat ;) |
| 12:42.08 | Kalroth | str is purely an offensive stat for warriors and paladins |
| 12:42.11 | SunTsu | KriLL3: no, only DK |
| 12:42.26 | Megalon | 2str = 1block |
| 12:42.54 | Kalroth | block value is mainly an offensive stat, unless you stack so much of it that anubs adds barely touches you :P |
| 12:43.06 | Gnarfoz | SunTsu: some moron in the row before me bumped against my table (because he's always sitting with his knees on his chair) while I had my hand on my mouse, made me click right button, which... pastes |
| 12:43.10 | arkanes | block is definitely a defensive stat |
| 12:43.16 | Megalon | touches Fisker, barely |
| 12:43.18 | Kalroth | block rating, yes |
| 12:43.23 | Kalroth | block value not so much |
| 12:43.23 | arkanes | no, block value |
| 12:43.30 | vhaarr | most tanks don't consider block value defensive, but that's because they're nubs |
| 12:43.32 | arkanes | big shield slams are fun and all |
| 12:43.33 | vhaarr | I block 6-7k |
| 12:43.40 | Gnarfoz | (and it auto-posted the line because it was actually multi-line, the other line didn't get sent, luckily:D) |
| 12:43.50 | Kalroth | uhm, big shield slams = defensive or offensive? :) |
| 12:43.51 | arkanes | but it's not an important threat stat for anyone |
| 12:44.02 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 12:44.22 | arkanes | people are stupid and vastly underestimate the effects of block |
| 12:44.26 | Yivry | big shield slams == threat, so defensive? :P |
| 12:44.27 | arkanes | even on bosses that hit for 20k |
| 12:44.40 | arkanes | 2k block is still a 10% damage reduction, thats enormous |
| 12:44.56 | Gnarfoz | Yivry: Shield of Righteousness, too |
| 12:45.16 | arkanes | big shield slams == fun, but != threat |
| 12:45.27 | Kalroth | okay, I got 24% block on my tank and around 1800 unbuffed block value - so on roughly every fourth melee attack I reduce it by minumum 2k and nearly 4k when I get critical blocks |
| 12:45.32 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: what... |
| 12:45.40 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: big Shield of Righteous hits = threat |
| 12:45.50 | arkanes | not an important amount of thret |
| 12:45.55 | Kalroth | wait what |
| 12:46.02 | Gnarfoz | it's threat source #1, probably. |
| 12:46.02 | arkanes | if you are having threat trouble, you don't stack block value to fix it |
| 12:46.04 | arkanes | no |
| 12:46.05 | Kalroth | big shield slams != threat? what the fuck |
| 12:46.15 | arkanes | er, let me rephrase |
| 12:46.22 | arkanes | as an ability, yes, it's the biggest singleone |
| 12:46.29 | Gnarfoz | you can't stack BV anyway, it's simply not on gear anymore :( |
| 12:46.36 | Kalroth | shield slam is the best snap aggro ability we got |
| 12:46.36 | arkanes | that doesn't mean that, as an overall source of threat, BV is the best |
| 12:46.39 | arkanes | it's a distant 4th |
| 12:46.45 | Kalroth | maybe if you're a paladin |
| 12:46.49 | arkanes | hand of reckoning is |
| 12:46.58 | Kalroth | but paladins are imbalanced anyways, they're dumb as tanks atm |
| 12:46.58 | arkanes | it's even farther down the list for warriors |
| 12:47.08 | Gnarfoz | HoR is ifsomeone else has the mob |
| 12:47.19 | Gnarfoz | ShoR obviously is if it's already on you |
| 12:47.28 | arkanes | anyway |
| 12:47.35 | arkanes | this is incidental to the discussion |
| 12:47.51 | arkanes | which is that strength is not *purely* an offensive stat for anyone |
| 12:48.04 | arkanes | and BV even less so |
| 12:48.06 | yoshimo | Kalroth, its not the class thats dumb, its the player behind it^^ |
| 12:48.42 | Kalroth | yoshimo: No I mean the abilities of a protadin are so overpowered that its hard to view the other tanking classes as competition |
| 12:48.49 | arkanes | not really |
| 12:48.55 | arkanes | people are always all grass is greener |
| 12:48.56 | Kalroth | (in an environment where it matters) |
| 12:49.02 | arkanes | ah yes the caveat |
| 12:49.05 | Kalroth | for casual shit it doesn't matter of course |
| 12:49.08 | olafski | bleh why doesn't the armory list SBV :< |
| 12:49.10 | Kalroth | you can tank with a hunter if you want |
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| 12:49.19 | arkanes | "any content I can do is by definition easy so paladin abilities only matter where I'm weak" |
| 12:49.21 | Kalroth | but on progression content, you'll want the best tank |
| 12:49.31 | Kalroth | which is unquestionably a paladin right now |
| 12:49.37 | arkanes | eh |
| 12:49.40 | yoshimo | well we have a warrior and a druid as tanks for our radis in icc25, and no paladin is missing ^^ |
| 12:49.58 | Kalroth | yoshimo: Sure, current content is easy |
| 12:50.02 | arkanes | gearing is a much bigger difference than the class parity |
| 12:50.15 | Kuosi | prot pala is by miles the best tank atm |
| 12:50.16 | Kalroth | No arkanes, since gearing either class isn't an issue |
| 12:50.20 | arkanes | Kalroth: if there's no hard content then why are you so emo |
| 12:50.22 | Kuosi | as clearly as dk is by far the worst |
| 12:50.26 | Kalroth | it's not like it's harder to gear a paladin than a warrior |
| 12:50.27 | arkanes | seriously |
| 12:50.30 | Kalroth | so that's a moot point |
| 12:50.37 | arkanes | ok? |
| 12:50.40 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: meh, read EJ 3.3 thread much? :P |
| 12:50.47 | Kalroth | I'm emo because there is no hard content :p |
| 12:50.47 | arkanes | so there's no hard content and there's no hard to get gear |
| 12:50.55 | Gnarfoz | because... AUGH TANK TIME :P |
| 12:50.59 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz :D |
| 12:51.06 | arkanes | so you just sit there and cut yourself because you think you're a bad tank on content that doesn't exist? |
| 12:51.17 | arkanes | there's always been trade offs between the tanks |
| 12:51.23 | Kalroth | uhm, I didn't say the other tanks were bad, except for DKs :) |
| 12:51.32 | Gnarfoz | (I thought the conclusion was: Warrior utility > anyone, so Warriors are also just fine) |
| 12:51.41 | arkanes | paladins were enormously strong on gormok at a time when gormok was a roadblock and now everyones got this meme that they're the perfect tank |
| 12:51.55 | Kalroth | uhm, no I'm pretty sure I said abilities |
| 12:51.56 | arkanes | warriors were far and away the best overall tank in ulduar |
| 12:52.04 | Kalroth | hahah, what |
| 12:52.11 | Kalroth | how far did you progress in Ulduar? 25 man |
| 12:52.14 | arkanes | DKs for vexaz |
| 12:52.17 | arkanes | I'm a 10 man guild |
| 12:52.22 | Kalroth | well there you go |
| 12:52.26 | arkanes | warriors were the best *overall* tank |
| 12:52.34 | arkanes | blah blah blah content elitism |
| 12:52.36 | Kalroth | you can use anything you want, since it doesn't matter for your level of raiding |
| 12:52.43 | Kalroth | realism* |
| 12:52.52 | arkanes | I said I'm in a 10 man guild, not 25 man guilds sluming |
| 12:53.02 | arkanes | the gear disparity matters |
| 12:53.09 | Kalroth | so how much of Ulduar 25 man did you experience? |
| 12:53.14 | arkanes | I've cleared it |
| 12:53.18 | Kalroth | Since you claim that "warriors were far and away the best overall tank in ulduar" |
| 12:53.22 | arkanes | sure |
| 12:53.25 | Kalroth | on normal or hard mode? |
| 12:53.30 | arkanes | DKs had their high points |
| 12:53.34 | Kalroth | Freya+3? Firefighter? |
| 12:53.39 | arkanes | I haven't done firefigher or lights on 25 |
| 12:53.45 | arkanes | Ive cleared it on hard in 10s |
| 12:53.52 | arkanes | warriors were amazing on mim |
| 12:54.01 | Kalroth | Sure, but paladins were better |
| 12:54.04 | arkanes | they were excellent on freya, much better than DKs |
| 12:54.08 | arkanes | (paladins were fine) |
| 12:54.15 | arkanes | DKs were OP for vezax |
| 12:54.22 | Kalroth | DKs were good in Ulduar because they still had a ton of buffs |
| 12:54.29 | arkanes | paladins were best on hodir, because of the threat requirement |
| 12:54.31 | Kalroth | those buffs got nerfed and now they're not so good |
| 12:54.34 | arkanes | sure |
| 12:54.49 | Kalroth | You're missing the point of why paladins are so good now :) |
| 12:55.05 | arkanes | the only thing paladins have gained since then is AD |
| 12:55.08 | arkanes | and yes, AD is very strong |
| 12:55.14 | Kalroth | "only" |
| 12:55.17 | Grum | they have stupidly insane single-target tps against bosses that actually damage them |
| 12:55.21 | arkanes | without it, we're clearly a weaker tank |
| 12:55.33 | Kalroth | How about your damage done as a tank? |
| 12:55.38 | arkanes | Grum: pally single target threat has actually been nerfed in every patch since 3.0 |
| 12:55.45 | Grum | and it is still insane arkanes:) |
| 12:55.50 | arkanes | Grum: thats not to say that it's not still good, possibly too good, but it's not insance |
| 12:55.55 | arkanes | warriors and DKs are right up there |
| 12:56.06 | Grum | DK's start of *really* slow |
| 12:56.14 | arkanes | it's got nothing to do with our numbers and everything to do with peple resenting that the pally rotation is easy |
| 12:56.27 | KriLL3 | I hate hunters, standing on slow traps, using that running around shot and using parry thing and disengage + parachute, can't fucking hit em |
| 12:56.30 | arkanes | which is legit to an extent |
| 12:56.33 | Kalroth | But AD was my point, you get a free 30% heal, controlled serverside, right when its needed - along with 20% less damage taken on any hits that'd bring you below 35% health |
| 12:56.39 | Kalroth | it's so silly overpowered it's not even funny |
| 12:56.41 | arkanes | yes |
| 12:56.54 | arkanes | I actually didn't expect it to go live like this, much less last this long |
| 12:56.56 | Grum | they have a 4gcd 'dead spot' at the start of their cycle and each ~12gcds another 2 'dead' gcds |
| 12:57.06 | arkanes | however, it's not the ultimate ability everyone thinks of it as |
| 12:57.17 | arkanes | it was really, really, really strong on beasts |
| 12:57.18 | Kalroth | Try Festergut with 2 paladin tanks on 10 man and then try it with 2 tanks of any other classes |
| 12:57.22 | Kalroth | the difference is HUGE |
| 12:57.29 | arkanes | I've done taht |
| 12:57.38 | arkanes | my OT for fester is a DK |
| 12:57.43 | arkanes | it's fine |
| 12:57.48 | Grum | Kalroth: i think the effectiveness of AD goes up with the healthpools |
| 12:57.56 | arkanes | Grum: nah |
| 12:58.08 | Grum | yes, 35% part gets bigger, so you can get bigger hits |
| 12:58.20 | arkanes | Grum: it's about incoming damage patterns and how they hit relative to your health pool |
| 12:58.36 | Kalroth | Grum: naw, it's progression content - shit that hits you for 20-24k suddenly only hits you for 16-20k |
| 12:58.37 | arkanes | AD does jack all on, say, trash |
| 12:58.38 | KriLL3 | isn't tanking supposed to be balanced in wow? except perhaps fights with magical dmg |
| 12:58.44 | arkanes | it is |
| 12:58.47 | Kalroth | trash isn't an issue |
| 12:58.48 | KriLL3 | still seems that raids want prot warriors as MT though |
| 12:58.48 | Grum | oh wait i misread it ... -20% on stuff that would have dropped you below 35% .. that is .. quite sick :) |
| 12:58.55 | arkanes | you say it like "balance" is some magical gong that will ring |
| 12:59.07 | Grum | especially against those monstrous hard hitting bosses |
| 12:59.08 | KriLL3 | ferals seem shunned in ICC due to - dodge |
| 12:59.16 | arkanes | only by stupid people |
| 12:59.17 | Grum | same as in sunwell |
| 12:59.23 | arkanes | ferals are incredibly strong tanks in icc |
| 12:59.30 | Kalroth | uhm |
| 12:59.31 | Kalroth | why |
| 12:59.31 | arkanes | people who don't understand dodge mechanics |
| 12:59.34 | KriLL3 | well stupid people seem to lead all the guilds |
| 12:59.38 | Megalon | phy. migitation |
| 12:59.47 | Grum | ferals have the most flattened out damage you can get from a tank |
| 12:59.48 | Kalroth | ferals aren't better in icc than they were in toc |
| 12:59.56 | arkanes | because they have lots of armor, amazing threat, *crazy* aoe threat, better than a paladin |
| 12:59.59 | Grum | they get hit more but they dont spike as hard |
| 13:00.03 | arkanes | and huge health pools |
| 13:00.09 | Kalroth | warriors break 70% armor mitigation too now |
| 13:00.14 | arkanes | they get hit exactly 20% more often, just like everyone else |
| 13:00.15 | Grum | yeah they are sponges :) |
| 13:00.29 | arkanes | chill of the throne didn't hurt anyone more than anyone else |
| 13:00.33 | Kalroth | the aura is irrelevant, yes |
| 13:00.35 | Megalon | but they don't surpass 100k hp with last stand ;x |
| 13:00.56 | Kalroth | Megalon: nope, hopefully that's not needed |
| 13:01.03 | Kalroth | unless we run into a new steelbreaker encounter :p |
| 13:01.38 | arkanes | they've still got excellent avoidance |
| 13:01.44 | arkanes | even without gemming straight agi |
| 13:01.52 | arkanes | less than DKs of course |
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| 13:03.45 | arkanes | anyway |
| 13:03.46 | arkanes | everyones fine |
| 13:03.56 | arkanes | tanking balance has been better in wotlk than it ever has been |
| 13:04.50 | arkanes | and it's really hard to feel much sympathy for a class that has been the indisputably best tank for 4 years complaining that they might be weak enough to block you on a couple specific encounters |
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| 13:13.26 | KriLL3 | arkanes: you mean ferals? |
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| 13:13.41 | arkanes | heh |
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| 13:15.07 | winkiller | arkanes: the past is not interesting |
| 13:15.21 | winkiller | I have zero use for "warriors were the only choice in vanilla" when I am tankin now |
| 13:15.27 | arkanes | sure |
| 13:15.41 | arkanes | it's not an excuse for warriors being underpowered |
| 13:15.46 | KriLL3 | winkiller: yes, but a lot of guilds got that image stuck in their minds, tank = warrior |
| 13:15.59 | arkanes | but when people make emotional appeals that they are, it's hard to relate to |
| 13:16.06 | arkanes | I don't think that warriors are underpowered |
| 13:16.06 | KriLL3 | non warriors might get to be OT if they're lucky |
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| 13:19.36 | winkiller | KriLL3: then they are plain stupid :P |
| 13:20.00 | winkiller | arkanes: only warr damage is too low, otherwise I see all 4 roughly equal |
| 13:20.10 | KriLL3 | yes, but they're GMs |
| 13:20.21 | KriLL3 | winkiller: why does dmg matter as long as threat is on par? |
| 13:20.29 | arkanes | pvp :P |
| 13:20.32 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 13:20.41 | arkanes | but really tank dps isn't somthing you should just ignore anymore |
| 13:20.42 | winkiller | faster clears, more dps on boss |
| 13:20.47 | KriLL3 | prot warriors should be banned from pvp, bloody horribly balanced |
| 13:20.50 | winkiller | why should it NOT be equal? |
| 13:20.58 | KriLL3 | winkiller: because it can't |
| 13:21.01 | winkiller | they also strive for roughly equal dps with dps specs |
| 13:21.02 | arkanes | the threats not equal anyway |
| 13:21.04 | winkiller | oh, it can |
| 13:21.04 | KriLL3 | we're not carbon copies |
| 13:21.13 | KriLL3 | matters if you're hitting 1 or 15 targets |
| 13:21.22 | KriLL3 | your dps can't be the same in all encounters |
| 13:21.30 | arkanes | nerf ad to 15% and fix the stupid stam scaling thing |
| 13:21.40 | winkiller | I have a hard time breaking 2k dps on my prot warr :( |
| 13:21.43 | arkanes | lazy fix for a lazy problem-that-wasnt-a-problem :( |
| 13:21.50 | arkanes | winkiller: well, thats more to do with you or your gear |
| 13:22.10 | KriLL3 | always fun to meet a tank specced player in pvp with a healer, can't bloody hurt either |
| 13:22.20 | arkanes | i think part of the reason there's so much outrage is because it's *paladins* who're better, who have a rep as facerollers |
| 13:22.28 | KriLL3 | fight ends when healer goes oom which they don't anymore |
| 13:22.36 | arkanes | and paladin threating is unquestionably easier and less complicated warrior |
| 13:22.37 | winkiller | only facerollers are DKs |
| 13:22.38 | winkiller | eod |
| 13:22.57 | KriLL3 | aren't most tanks fairly faceroll? |
| 13:23.04 | SunTsu | winkiller: you care about 1 or 2 dps when every dps is doing 8 to 12 dps? |
| 13:23.08 | arkanes | not any more than anything else is |
| 13:23.12 | winkiller | arkanes: no, it has to do that I refuse to either kill my keyboard by spamming nor to bind HS to mousedown |
| 13:23.15 | KriLL3 | use abilities when cooldown is ready, otherwise spam 1-2 buttons |
| 13:23.17 | SunTsu | 1 or 2 k dps |
| 13:23.19 | arkanes | winkiller: well |
| 13:23.24 | winkiller | HS needs to be fixed and warrior damage has to go up, all fine |
| 13:23.26 | arkanes | winkiller: that falls under you, really |
| 13:23.34 | winkiller | no,it's broken |
| 13:23.36 | winkiller | and they admitted |
| 13:23.40 | winkiller | the fix is just not here |
| 13:23.41 | arkanes | I agree that HS is retarded but refusing to use it as it stands means you're not playing well |
| 13:23.44 | winkiller | and probably won'r be |
| 13:23.47 | arkanes | yes |
| 13:23.48 | KriLL3 | winkiller: urgh, increase prot dps? want to ruin pvp even worse? |
| 13:23.56 | winkiller | KriLL3: fuck pvp :) |
| 13:24.04 | winkiller | arkanes: you should read what I wrote |
| 13:24.08 | KriLL3 | only fun part of wow |
| 13:24.10 | arkanes | winkiller: I did |
| 13:24.13 | winkiller | no you didn't |
| 13:24.18 | winkiller | I don't refuse to HS |
| 13:24.20 | Wobin | http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/100114.html |
| 13:24.21 | arkanes | winkiller: I hear "I'm refusing to use HS as it stands because it's broken" |
| 13:24.24 | KriLL3 | what's wrong with heroic strike anyway? |
| 13:24.35 | winkiller | I refuse to take 100% HS hits, I'm, at 90% without hard trying |
| 13:24.38 | arkanes | KriLL3: you need to hit it every 1.2 seconds or so |
| 13:24.42 | winkiller | but that 10% is some dps lost |
| 13:24.48 | Wobin | tank dps is usually a good indicator of underperforming dps =) |
| 13:24.50 | arkanes | KriLL3: in addition to actual abilities |
| 13:24.51 | winkiller | just because I don't want to kill my keyboard |
| 13:24.51 | KriLL3 | arkanes: ah a bit like... say... maul? |
| 13:25.01 | arkanes | KriLL3: yes, but remember that warriors swing much faster |
| 13:25.14 | Wobin | soo.. macro it in? |
| 13:25.30 | KriLL3 | arkanes: aren't slow weapons better for warriors or something? |
| 13:25.32 | winkiller | KriLL3: make shield slam ignore armor and adjust base damage. pvp problem with ArP = fixed |
| 13:25.43 | arkanes | KriLL3: maybe because it hurts your HS finger less :P |
| 13:25.46 | winkiller | still, don't balance pve around pvp, it's silly |
| 13:25.48 | arkanes | KriLL3: but no, tanking weapons are all fast |
| 13:25.56 | winkiller | Prot Warrs are *nowhere* near dominating PvP |
| 13:25.58 | winkiller | and then a nerf |
| 13:25.59 | Wobin | yeah, the one handers tend to be |
| 13:26.00 | KriLL3 | winkiller: main issue for me is that they're near immune to physical hard, root immune, got multiple stuns and hit like trucks |
| 13:26.03 | winkiller | that's just ridiculous |
| 13:26.04 | arkanes | theres 1 or 2 exceptions |
| 13:26.05 | KriLL3 | winkiller: they are |
| 13:26.15 | Wobin | I was trying to find some slow one handers for DK tanking |
| 13:26.18 | winkiller | KriLL3: show me the arenajunkies scoreboard |
| 13:26.23 | winkiller | where I see they dominate |
| 13:26.33 | Wobin | but the general consensus seems to be to take two slow dps one handers instead |
| 13:26.43 | arkanes | Wobin: yep thats where the threat is |
| 13:26.44 | Wobin | since we rune for defense |
| 13:26.56 | winkiller | Prot PvP was *always* fine for everyday use |
| 13:27.00 | arkanes | Wobin: you can get some more defensive stats with tanking weapons |
| 13:27.01 | winkiller | just not at the high arena level |
| 13:27.15 | Wobin | arkanes, yeah, but they're so damn fast =( |
| 13:27.16 | arkanes | Wobin: but people don't generally feel the need to do that |
| 13:27.21 | winkiller | I won more duels in Prot Spec in TBC than on my Rogue |
| 13:27.35 | arkanes | well, duels |
| 13:27.49 | winkiller | I also did fine in arena |
| 13:27.50 | Wobin | arkanes, generally, you should be defense soft capped without a weapon (or with runes) |
| 13:27.55 | arkanes | anyway blizzard doesn't nerf by representation |
| 13:28.07 | arkanes | Wobin: weapons have stats besides defense |
| 13:28.16 | Wobin | well, most two handers didn't |
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| 13:28.23 | Wobin | only the one handers tended towards defense |
| 13:28.37 | Wobin | so pre patch, it wasn't viable to gear for defense on weapons |
| 13:28.40 | arkanes | they know pvp prot isn't a fotm thats rolling up the charts, but they nerf irritating and hard counter stuff all the time too |
| 13:28.53 | arkanes | Wobin: they have defense but also other stats, like more stamina or avoidance |
| 13:29.03 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:29.08 | arkanes | Wobin: and armor, wuv my argent defender |
| 13:30.01 | winkiller | still pvp fucking with pve = worst thing of all |
| 13:30.03 | KriLL3 | well blizz are concerned about prot warriors in pvp, should say something |
| 13:30.10 | arkanes | winkiller: oh yeah it's irritating as hell |
| 13:30.12 | Wobin | goddamn pvp =( |
| 13:30.20 | KriLL3 | the opposite is also true |
| 13:30.25 | Wobin | and worse is Arena fucking with -everything- |
| 13:30.36 | KriLL3 | pve messes with pvp |
| 13:30.41 | Wobin | screw that |
| 13:30.42 | arkanes | KriLL3: right but as PVEers we are way more important than stupid pvpers |
| 13:30.45 | KriLL3 | the new trend in pve that mana doesn't matter ruins pvp |
| 13:30.46 | Wobin | WoW was initially a pve game |
| 13:30.46 | arkanes | KriLL3: so thats okay |
| 13:30.51 | Wobin | pvp was just tacked on |
| 13:30.58 | asmodai | They should've kept it out :( |
| 13:31.03 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 13:31.06 | KriLL3 | the difference is that pvp is actually fun and requires skills |
| 13:31.18 | winkiller | or just allow (.*)gladiator(.*) gear in arenas |
| 13:31.22 | KriLL3 | pve just requires gear and knowing the encounter |
| 13:31.23 | winkiller | no ArP problems with prot warrs |
| 13:31.27 | Wobin | just have pvp servers |
| 13:31.29 | Wobin | and arena servers |
| 13:31.35 | arkanes | well its an old debate |
| 13:31.36 | Wobin | and have the rules completely different for them |
| 13:31.50 | arkanes | which I can essentially sum up with a short burst of profanity |
| 13:31.53 | winkiller | I have an idea! |
| 13:31.55 | KriLL3 | Wobin: I'd actually like if they split the gear so you can't use pvp gear in pve and vice versa |
| 13:31.55 | winkiller | fork it! |
| 13:32.02 | winkiller | WoW (PvP edition) |
| 13:32.15 | winkiller | oh wait, not open source :( |
| 13:32.16 | KriLL3 | since atm it's easier to get pvp gear in pve... and there aren't pvp weapons until high arena rank |
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| 13:32.42 | arkanes | there's always been complains about the overlap between pvp and pve gearing channels |
| 13:32.51 | winkiller | IMHO, and I'm saying that since season1, everyone should be able to buy a *single set* of pvp gear for ~200g |
| 13:32.55 | winkiller | and you can't equip anything else |
| 13:32.57 | KriLL3 | I don't mind pvp gear in pve, just don't make it better |
| 13:32.58 | arkanes | I don't think they should have pvp gear on the current "progression" set of badges |
| 13:32.58 | winkiller | 100% fair |
| 13:33.05 | winkiller | adjust it with gems and enchants |
| 13:33.10 | winkiller | but no different iLvls |
| 13:33.14 | winkiller | no different stats |
| 13:33.29 | winkiller | but noo, it would avoid grinding BGs |
| 13:33.39 | SunTsu | .o0( I even don't understand why people play pvp. It's about gear and what class is imba this time ) |
| 13:33.48 | winkiller | it# |
| 13:33.48 | arkanes | winkiller: wow is a game about improving your stuff |
| 13:33.58 | winkiller | it's silly in "tournaments" |
| 13:34.13 | arkanes | winkiller: a game where you have fixed gear sets that you pick & choose from without a persistent character is called an "fps" |
| 13:34.22 | winkiller | it's called fair :) |
| 13:34.25 | arkanes | tournaments are played with premades, usually |
| 13:34.29 | asmodai | The problem is that most of the time PvP and PvE are diametrically oppossed. |
| 13:34.34 | winkiller | arena is a tournament |
| 13:34.36 | arkanes | winkiller: a game designer might call it a copout |
| 13:34.47 | winkiller | asmodai: run in, kill stuff? err.. no! |
| 13:35.03 | asmodai | winkiller: Haha, well, simplified like that, no. :) |
| 13:35.17 | asmodai | But it is when you look at the design perspective of the battles. |
| 13:35.29 | arkanes | it depends on what comps are domination |
| 13:35.36 | winkiller | I can't count the number of arena matches where I lost to total noobs just because I couldn't damage them in their x hundred resi gear |
| 13:35.43 | arkanes | beastcleave bears a pretty strong resemblance to the way we kill trash in pve :P |
| 13:35.54 | winkiller | I also can't count the number of games where badly equipped pros destroyed me |
| 13:35.58 | winkiller | but that's ok :) |
| 13:36.15 | asmodai | One of the reasons I gave up on battlegrounds. |
| 13:36.31 | winkiller | I gave up BGs after I had my rank 11 |
| 13:36.35 | asmodai | Even if I am a decently geared lvl 80 from PvE, unless I spec PvP talents and have appropriate gear I'll be loled away |
| 13:36.53 | winkiller | some years? ago :P |
| 13:36.53 | arkanes | grinding bgs for my pve weapons in TBC was soul destroying |
| 13:37.08 | arkanes | so I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore |
| 13:37.12 | winkiller | I loved my Challenger and Rival title in s1/s2 |
| 13:37.18 | winkiller | plus having my Feral tanking shoulders |
| 13:37.23 | winkiller | but since then.. arena is meh |
| 13:39.16 | winkiller | most funny thing is, as soon as I have enough spare badges and honor to have a full pvp set.. the next season is there 8) |
| 13:39.20 | arkanes | I can understand why someone who really loves pvp might hate running heroics |
| 13:39.34 | winkiller | I hate running heroics as well :) |
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| 13:39.46 | arkanes | but I understand less why they would be playing wow at all then |
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| 13:45.03 | yoshimo | i dont think it was good to seperate pvp and pve gear /spec |
| 13:47.35 | winkiller | wat |
| 13:47.37 | KriLL3 | asmodai: problem is though that it's easier and faster to get pvp gear in pve than in pvp |
| 13:47.45 | KriLL3 | and you can't get pve gear in pvp |
| 13:47.52 | winkiller | yoshimo: don't you remember full T2 teams in WSG? |
| 13:47.57 | KriLL3 | meaning you can pve and then all of a sudden be awesome in pvp |
| 13:47.57 | winkiller | 1 tank with 7k HP and 3 healers? |
| 13:48.19 | winkiller | then 2 pom-pyro-mages |
| 13:48.26 | winkiller | and 4 randoms :( |
| 13:48.29 | KriLL3 | prot warrs and paladins are a good example of pve players that break pvp |
| 13:48.34 | nevcairiel | man, classic pvp was great |
| 13:48.35 | KriLL3 | and pve dps |
| 13:48.40 | nevcairiel | PvE gear actually meant alot |
| 13:48.46 | winkiller | that was not great |
| 13:48.56 | winkiller | when your "pvp gear" <<<<<<< pve gear |
| 13:48.58 | nevcairiel | it was, since i had pve gear, and we rocked :P |
| 13:49.08 | winkiller | slaps nevcairiel |
| 13:49.17 | winkiller | we had the champion's pvp gear |
| 13:49.19 | KriLL3 | how is it justified btw that pvp gear is faster & easier to get in pve than pvp? :< |
| 13:49.25 | winkiller | with about 15stamina |
| 13:49.30 | arkanes | barmans slicer, yo |
| 13:49.30 | pentium166 | the good pvp gear wasn't really worse, it was just really hard to get |
| 13:49.36 | nevcairiel | today you can have the best pve gear possible, and you still lose in pvp .. which is silly |
| 13:49.40 | KriLL3 | triumph marks or arena points & rating... hmm... |
| 13:49.45 | arkanes | 1500 ambush crits, one shot a drinking mage |
| 13:49.52 | arkanes | scurry away in victory |
| 13:49.54 | winkiller | nevcairiel: you can also lose with (nearly) the best pvp gear :P |
| 13:49.56 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: yes but you get pvp gear for free if you pve |
| 13:50.09 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: eh? since when? |
| 13:50.14 | winkiller | I do agree that Rogues were a bit overpowered in vanilla |
| 13:50.15 | KriLL3 | a long long time |
| 13:50.16 | arkanes | frost bages aren't really "free" |
| 13:50.31 | arkanes | it would sort of amount to it 3 months from now |
| 13:50.32 | nevcairiel | a pve player uses his badges for pve loot |
| 13:50.35 | KriLL3 | triumph ones are, and they're faster & easier than getting arena rank and points |
| 13:50.39 | nevcairiel | its not like you get the pvp loot extra |
| 13:50.55 | KriLL3 | if you want to gear up for pvp you pve |
| 13:50.58 | nevcairiel | triumph badges are so easy to get, even pvp players can do that for the same effort |
| 13:50.59 | KriLL3 | which is backwards |
| 13:51.03 | arkanes | you mean you "run heroics" |
| 13:51.13 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 13:51.15 | arkanes | which is not really the same thing as, say, raiding |
| 13:51.25 | KriLL3 | not all of us can get into raid guilds |
| 13:51.29 | winkiller | KriLL3: fighting with your teammates in random heroics can be considered pvp :) |
| 13:51.31 | arkanes | right |
| 13:51.38 | arkanes | you don't need to be in a raid guild to get triumphs |
| 13:51.38 | winkiller | they are harder to lead to the goal than the actual killing |
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| 13:52.03 | KriLL3 | just don't think it's right that you gear up faster for pvp in pve than in pvp |
| 13:52.05 | arkanes | and if you don't want to do even the low level 5 man pve, and you want to gear and play wow *exclusively* through PVP, you're in the wrong game |
| 13:52.24 | winkiller | go play DarkFall :P |
| 13:52.28 | KriLL3 | and can't gear up for pve in pvp at all |
| 13:52.41 | nevcairiel | wow is a pve game, deal with it :P |
| 13:52.44 | KriLL3 | you think it makes sense to get pvp gear easier in pve than pvp? |
| 13:52.56 | nevcairiel | since its damn easy pve, sure |
| 13:52.58 | nevcairiel | everyone can do it |
| 13:53.01 | pentium166 | for someone who wants a wow-style pvp environment with a good pvp progression path, is there a right game? |
| 13:53.02 | nevcairiel | its not exclusive to raiders |
| 13:53.28 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: but how can you justify asking players interested in pvp to pve instead of pvp to get pvp gear? |
| 13:53.44 | nevcairiel | because WoW is not a pvp game |
| 13:53.45 | KriLL3 | if I want pvp gear why can't I get it from... I don't know... pvp? |
| 13:53.51 | nevcairiel | there are other games that focus on pvp |
| 13:53.54 | nevcairiel | wow is not it. |
| 13:54.02 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: you can |
| 13:54.07 | KriLL3 | much slower |
| 13:54.09 | Wobin | go play WAR |
| 13:54.27 | Wobin | that's a WoW style game |
| 13:54.29 | Wobin | but PVP |
| 13:54.32 | KriLL3 | and why can't wow be pve/pvp instead of pve with tacked on pvp? because that would make you feel sad? |
| 13:54.49 | Wobin | because it was never designed to be both |
| 13:54.51 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 13:55.00 | KriLL3 | doesn't matter |
| 13:55.00 | Wobin | and it would take complete rewriting to get it balanced |
| 13:55.05 | nevcairiel | its not about what we think it is, its just how blizzard designed it |
| 13:55.11 | nevcairiel | like i said, deal with it, or look for another game |
| 13:55.13 | Wobin | and it's not worth it to Blizzard to write it that way |
| 13:55.17 | nevcairiel | they are not likely to change the balance of things |
| 13:55.35 | Wobin | Not when they've moved their top programmers/ideas people into the new IP |
| 13:55.37 | KriLL3 | nothing stops blizz from re-designing the game with more pvp emphasis |
| 13:55.45 | Wobin | sure there is |
| 13:55.50 | olafski | moneys |
| 13:55.52 | Wobin | it's called "Expense" |
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| 13:56.01 | nevcairiel | There is no reason for them to |
| 13:56.04 | Wobin | why the hell would Blizzard spend money rewriting WoW? |
| 13:56.09 | Funkeh` | wtb votes: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17072 |
| 13:56.11 | Wobin | when it's already a perfect cash cow |
| 13:56.18 | pentium166 | because they do it all the time |
| 13:56.24 | KriLL3 | so that's why they gave us one pvp set in LK with 4 somewhat different looking versions instead of 4 sets? =P |
| 13:56.25 | Wobin | no they don't =P |
| 13:56.41 | Wobin | All the top level writers have moved on from WoW =P |
| 13:56.46 | Wobin | I'm sorry =P |
| 13:56.49 | pentium166 | they are revamping 30 talent trees in a large way for cataclysm |
| 13:56.54 | KriLL3 | writers aren't what you need to improve pvp |
| 13:57.14 | Wobin | Despite what you argue, despite what you cry out for, despite everything you've said so far |
| 13:57.14 | winkiller | KriLL3: BGs aren't "decent" pvp as well, and I am forced to grind honor for boots/wrists/belt etc |
| 13:57.18 | Wobin | They're not going to do it =P |
| 13:57.22 | Wobin | so |
| 13:57.23 | Wobin | suck it up |
| 13:57.25 | Wobin | or get out |
| 13:57.26 | dieck | pentium166: yes, but Cataclysm is there to keep the players busy. In PvE. Which can endure for all eternity, thus granting more money |
| 13:57.29 | Wobin | and play some other game |
| 13:57.33 | KriLL3 | and no wow devs aren't pulled for their other prodjects, they have teams, not just one pool of staff |
| 13:57.42 | Wobin | KriLL3, nope |
| 13:57.44 | nevcairiel | actually they are |
| 13:57.45 | Wobin | They've been pulled =P |
| 13:57.52 | nevcairiel | did you see tigol lately? he left for the new mmo |
| 13:57.58 | nevcairiel | and he was driving wow for quite a while |
| 13:58.42 | KriLL3 | seriously doubt they'd leave wow without devs while it's still an active product |
| 13:59.01 | KriLL3 | cataclysm isn't done, and I doubt it's the last expansion |
| 13:59.04 | olafski | they could cut down on the number of devs though |
| 13:59.24 | KriLL3 | why? it's still profitable |
| 13:59.36 | Wobin | because they want to do better |
| 13:59.37 | nevcairiel | not without, but they removed the number of people working, or replaced experienced people with new people |
| 13:59.41 | KriLL3 | unless a smaller team can maintain the current quality they wouldn't reduce the workforce |
| 13:59.57 | Wobin | well, to be honest, the recent 'quality' hasn't been up to scratch |
| 14:00.11 | KriLL3 | Wobin: yes but when you start a second prodject as game dev you might ask some people to work both projects, and hire more "grunts" |
| 14:00.16 | nevcairiel | whole 3.0 seriously disappointed me, fwiw |
| 14:00.39 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 14:00.42 | Wobin | KriLL3, nope |
| 14:00.45 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 14:00.52 | Wobin | why, when you can get them full time on the new one |
| 14:00.53 | nevcairiel | I just know that Tigole left WoW and even announced so on the WoW Forums |
| 14:00.55 | Wobin | the -better- one |
| 14:00.59 | nevcairiel | and Tigole was one of the main people behind WoW |
| 14:01.05 | Wobin | the one that will 'kill WoW' |
| 14:01.15 | KriLL3 | Wobin: because it's a bad idea to kill something making a profit |
| 14:01.25 | KriLL3 | when you can do both |
| 14:01.29 | Wobin | cause the only thing that will kill WoW, aside from petering out, is another Blizzard product |
| 14:01.53 | SunTsu | KriLL3: but you can cur down things that it is barely progressing and increase profit |
| 14:01.54 | Wobin | KriLL3, that way leads to complete programmer burnout |
| 14:01.55 | KriLL3 | problem is that wow has years of content behind it, anything new from blizzard would have a lot less content |
| 14:02.03 | KriLL3 | Wobin: no, you hire a second team |
| 14:02.10 | Wobin | yes, which they have |
| 14:02.13 | Wobin | and put them onto WoW |
| 14:02.13 | SunTsu | s/cur/cut/ |
| 14:02.16 | KriLL3 | that's how game devs with multiple projects work |
| 14:02.20 | Wobin | and moved all the top rank to the new game |
| 14:02.48 | Wobin | 3.0 is a holding pattern |
| 14:02.51 | Wobin | til Caty |
| 14:02.56 | Wobin | which will be the last gasp, imo |
| 14:03.11 | KriLL3 | not sure about that, what would replace wow anyway? |
| 14:03.16 | Wobin | note how they're 'simplifying' all the stats in Caty? |
| 14:03.30 | Wobin | if the game itself was getting bigger, it'd get more damn complex, not simpler |
| 14:03.41 | Wobin | KriLL3, the new IP |
| 14:04.00 | KriLL3 | I very much doubt a new IP would do as well as their current ones |
| 14:04.05 | Wobin | Blizzard are in the unique position, of knowing what precisely went wrong with WoW |
| 14:04.14 | Wobin | and how to avoid it |
| 14:04.15 | KriLL3 | the players? =P |
| 14:04.30 | Wobin | You'd be surprised at how many MMOs disregard them =P |
| 14:05.01 | KriLL3 | problem with blizz making a new mmo as said is that when released it would have very little content compared to wow |
| 14:05.31 | KriLL3 | a bit like vanilla, or DK, you hit max level fairly quickly and then there isn't much to do at max level |
| 14:05.44 | KriLL3 | until a couple years worth of content patches/expansions |
| 14:06.11 | arkanes | it took vanilla a long time to get going |
| 14:06.40 | arkanes | and people still came to it over eq, which was essentially stagnant even though it had lots more content |
| 14:06.55 | KriLL3 | not sure they were prepared for the success of wow at launch, possible they started making content patches once they figures were in, not when the game was done |
| 14:06.59 | arkanes | the gameplay being so much better probably helped |
| 14:07.07 | Wobin | KriLL3, they will hold out on releasing it til they have sufficient content, I'm sure |
| 14:07.20 | Wobin | as I said, Blizzard aren't stupid =P |
| 14:07.21 | KriLL3 | not really sure how you'd improve the gameplay of an mmo over wow |
| 14:07.32 | KriLL3 | not seen any other mmos with better gameplay |
| 14:07.35 | Wobin | they know more about how the MMO game works than just about anyone else |
| 14:07.50 | Wobin | mostly cause they made their mistakes early |
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| 14:07.57 | arkanes | blizzards unique among the people trying to beat wow that they have the resources and fan interest to hold on to a product for a long time |
| 14:08.10 | KriLL3 | Wobin: there are still some major issues with wow at places though |
| 14:08.19 | arkanes | conan, warhammer, they had to launch so they could make money to fund the development |
| 14:08.20 | Wobin | of course there is |
| 14:08.31 | Wobin | there will never be a -perfect- mmo |
| 14:08.35 | arkanes | and players will consume content faster than you can create it, always |
| 14:08.37 | Wobin | because everyone is different |
| 14:08.58 | arkanes | which is one reason I think tro will be bad :( |
| 14:08.59 | Wobin | Personally, if Blizzard hadn't exposed the API, I would have stopped playing years ago |
| 14:09.01 | arkanes | but I will play it anyway |
| 14:09.10 | KriLL3 | main issue for me is the lack of variety in quests, and all the "gather bodypart x from creature y" quests are stupid, make me need a lot more and make the drop chance much higher, equal to the actual number of that part they have, or randomly a bit less |
| 14:09.25 | asmodai | I think the customization of WoW makes it interesting yea. |
| 14:09.35 | Wobin | KriLL3, unfortunately, new concepts behind quests take a -lot- of creativity |
| 14:09.41 | KriLL3 | if you need eyes form a bat give me 2 eyes per bat, sometimes 1, but make the total I need higher to compensate, the third bat you kill that didn't drop eyes makes you pissed |
| 14:09.42 | pentium166 | wow + eve + second life, go go go |
| 14:09.49 | Wobin | second life? |
| 14:09.50 | Wobin | >< |
| 14:10.11 | pentium166 | everyone wants poorly-made furry avatars |
| 14:10.22 | KriLL3 | second life isn't an mmo, it's a virtual chatroom with furries and flying dingus |
| 14:10.26 | pentium166 | in spaceships with swords |
| 14:10.27 | Wobin | or flocks of flying penii |
| 14:10.30 | arkanes | KriLL3: it's funny how much the bar has been raised on that expectation |
| 14:10.53 | arkanes | KriLL3: because really when wow launched the idea that you'd have a motivation, in the form of a quest, for slaughtering bats was ground breaking! |
| 14:10.54 | Wobin | I liked how WAR did the gathering quests |
| 14:10.58 | Wobin | or was it LotR? |
| 14:11.03 | arkanes | in EQ you were expected to just go and kill them for the hell of it |
| 14:11.06 | Wobin | where it didn't take up inventory space |
| 14:11.09 | KriLL3 | arkanes: it's a perfect example of pro vs con imo |
| 14:11.29 | Wobin | arkanes, "Heading to the killing fields..." |
| 14:11.38 | KriLL3 | really annoying to get 0 eyes from a bat, compared to 1 instead of 2 |
| 14:11.49 | Wobin | KriLL3, well don't hit them so hard in the head =) |
| 14:11.55 | KriLL3 | Wobin: heh |
| 14:11.58 | arkanes | its one of the things I allow my disbelief to suspend on |
| 14:12.04 | KriLL3 | well the classic ofc is no heart, no ribs etc |
| 14:12.07 | arkanes | just like when that same bat has magical plate boots |
| 14:12.19 | KriLL3 | everyone knows bats need boots |
| 14:12.22 | Wobin | well.. they -were- magical boots |
| 14:12.26 | vhaarr | you guys don't get it, you mash out the body parts while killing the creature |
| 14:12.28 | KriLL3 | that's how they sit upside down, magnetic boots |
| 14:12.35 | arkanes | sometimes they write little winks into the quest text |
| 14:12.37 | vhaarr | sometimes intact ones will be left, sometimes not |
| 14:12.46 | arkanes | they have to be "perfect" yeti horns! |
| 14:12.47 | Wobin | arkanes, people read quest text? =( |
| 14:12.48 | KriLL3 | vhaarr: sure, but no ribs? |
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| 14:13.05 | vhaarr | a wellplaced shot can easy shatter all the ribs |
| 14:13.10 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 14:13.17 | SunTsu | arkanes: don't mention that quest while I'm on it |
| 14:13.19 | Wobin | That's what I found most depressing about creating quests and the like on MUDS |
| 14:13.20 | KriLL3 | if you're shooting demolition balls |
| 14:13.28 | vhaarr | explosive shot :p |
| 14:13.29 | Wobin | when people just read the cheat notes and ignored all the work I put into it |
| 14:13.48 | KriLL3 | also their next mmo should have a lot more voice work |
| 14:13.53 | KriLL3 | reading text sucks =P |
| 14:14.02 | Wobin | KriLL3, and end up like Oblivion? >< |
| 14:14.21 | KriLL3 | oblivion sucked, but not because of the voice work |
| 14:14.38 | SunTsu | KriLL3: yeah, with passionate slow speakers like the biggest coward in WoW - Mal'Ganis |
| 14:14.41 | KriLL3 | wasn't it conan that had voice work in starting area? then went mute? |
| 14:14.53 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: "just you and me"... =P |
| 14:14.55 | SunTsu | Goooooo toooo theeee leeeeeeeeft aaaaaaaand geeeeeeet meeeee |
| 14:15.00 | KriLL3 | + 5 guys that did all the work |
| 14:15.36 | Wobin | liked Arcatraz the best |
| 14:15.42 | KriLL3 | Mal'Ganis is a bit odd, can't solo him in CoS but I can in IC |
| 14:16.05 | KriLL3 | guess he nerfed himself |
| 14:16.07 | Wobin | that had the best voice acting in any dungeon |
| 14:16.22 | SunTsu | fleeing all the time takes it's toll |
| 14:16.47 | KriLL3 | aren't demons supposed to be banished to their native plane once defeated here? |
| 14:17.05 | KriLL3 | or is that one part of D&D warcraft doesn't copy? =P |
| 14:17.51 | pentium166 | sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't, don't question it! |
| 14:18.36 | pentium166 | did they ever say how the legion actually got to draenor? |
| 14:18.41 | KriLL3 | also a bit weird that all the times he flees he got 1 hp and we just stand there looking at him |
| 14:18.47 | KriLL3 | don't think they did |
| 14:19.17 | KriLL3 | think the implication is that they can travel the twisting neither (in spaceships!) but for some reason they can't get to azeroth that way |
| 14:19.22 | KriLL3 | guess we're too far away or something |
| 14:19.52 | KriLL3 | again, don't question it! |
| 14:20.12 | nevcairiel | some idiot probably summoned them |
| 14:20.16 | nevcairiel | always the same story |
| 14:20.24 | KriLL3 | an orc? |
| 14:20.44 | jnwhiteh | isn't it always an orc |
| 14:20.49 | KriLL3 | I think so |
| 14:21.03 | KriLL3 | doubt a dranei would do it |
| 14:21.50 | arkanes | a gnome, of course |
| 14:21.59 | arkanes | willfred fizzlebanks has something to answer for |
| 14:22.02 | KriLL3 | no gnomes on draenor |
| 14:22.12 | KriLL3 | well that that time |
| 14:22.16 | KriLL3 | *at |
| 14:22.42 | KriLL3 | arkanes: that gnome reminds me of Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate. |
| 14:23.07 | arkanes | heh |
| 14:23.20 | arkanes | except threepwood got the girl |
| 14:23.27 | KriLL3 | true |
| 14:23.32 | KriLL3 | btw anyone knows the point of [Unusual Compass] ? |
| 14:23.38 | arkanes | there isn't one |
| 14:23.51 | KriLL3 | doesn't seem to work, points me in random directions |
| 14:23.57 | arkanes | thats what it does |
| 14:24.00 | haste | Adirelle|work: no I didn't, as it seemed you weren't done with it |
| 14:24.09 | Ingelagr | that's why it is an unsuual compass KriLL3 :P |
| 14:24.12 | KriLL3 | arkanes: guess it can be used to play "spin the bottle" |
| 14:24.22 | KriLL3 | put people in a ring around you |
| 14:24.42 | arkanes | yes I get the idea |
| 14:24.45 | arkanes | don't make me sad :( |
| 14:24.48 | Ingelagr | anyone working on wowace website: please make install on the frontpage of an addon install with curse 4.0, it's now 3.0 |
| 14:24.52 | KriLL3 | Ingelagr: guess azeroth has a weird magnetic field |
| 14:25.04 | Ingelagr | you have to click download now and then click 4.0 install for 4.0 |
| 14:25.11 | KriLL3 | Ingelagr: yeah noticed that |
| 14:25.50 | Adirelle|work | haste, it works fine with player/pet units and according to rough tests while doing icecrown dailies, it seems to work with group unit too |
| 14:26.01 | KriLL3 | should be an achi for never rotating your char without the compass =P |
| 14:26.36 | haste | Adirelle|work: you shoul also drop that optimization of yours and just save realUnit and unit on the object as well |
| 14:26.44 | haste | Adirelle|work: it's needed for correct tag updating as well |
| 14:27.16 | Adirelle|work | hrm, I can update realUnit for the tag |
| 14:27.27 | haste | Adirelle|work: also branches are a godsend in git :P |
| 14:27.34 | KriLL3 | is there some kind of refresh limit on LDB? got a number of LDB addons that don't refresh that often |
| 14:27.50 | KriLL3 | honorview doesn't update on honor gain for one |
| 14:27.59 | KriLL3 | took 5s for it to update |
| 14:28.04 | Adirelle|work | but I'd prefer determining the proper units from SecureButton_GetModifiedUnit and _GetUnit instead of relying on property swaping |
| 14:28.20 | Adirelle|work | if anything goes wrong it can still recover |
| 14:30.30 | haste | Adirelle|work: I'm just saying you should dump modified and proper into fields so tag updating doesn't go shit |
| 14:30.37 | haste | it actually uses .realUnit |
| 14:30.42 | Adirelle|work | just saw this |
| 14:31.21 | haste | and your optimization will probably be faster with just a gsub on the unit field |
| 14:31.26 | haste | than the table lookups that is |
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| 14:37.42 | Adirelle|work | I thought table lookups would be faster than using regexp but I might be wrong |
| 14:39.05 | haste | lua patterns ~= regexps |
| 14:39.30 | haste | just use GetModifiedUnit() instead of the lookup table |
| 14:41.56 | Adirelle|work | s/regexp/pattern/ |
| 14:43.57 | haste | the efficiency of table lookups decrease as the table grows |
| 14:44.28 | haste | and just fetching the modUnit before the return statement instead doesn't really matter much |
| 14:44.57 | haste | you'd also be able to combine both of the return statements that way |
| 14:46.35 | Adirelle|work | indeed |
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| 14:53.27 | arkanes | haste: table access isn't constant in lua? |
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| 14:54.29 | arkanes | this paper here says they're hash tables |
| 14:54.59 | nevcairiel | Lua has both types, hash tables and array tables |
| 14:55.08 | arkanes | yeah it magically switches |
| 14:55.09 | nevcairiel | one lua table can even contain both parts |
| 14:55.31 | arkanes | but neither one of those should have slower access when the table gets larger |
| 14:55.51 | arkanes | the array part is constant all the time, and the hash part gets slower when you have more collisions |
| 14:57.33 | arkanes | bah non-clickable cites |
| 14:57.42 | arkanes | what version of lua is wow embedding? |
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| 15:00.20 | nevcairiel | 5.1.1 iirc |
| 15:00.24 | nevcairiel | highly modified, though |
| 15:00.30 | Adirelle|work | haste, pushed |
| 15:00.36 | arkanes | probably not the table implementation though |
| 15:00.45 | arkanes | huh scatter tables instead of chains |
| 15:00.58 | arkanes | I don't know what "Brents variation" |
| 15:01.00 | arkanes | is |
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| 15:04.08 | haste | Adirelle|work: I'll start cherry-picking then |
| 15:04.47 | Adirelle|work | latest changes are untested but the logic is roughly the same |
| 15:04.49 | winkiller | does anyone know how/if github tracks which is the original "code", when you fork it |
| 15:05.20 | arkanes | what do you mean |
| 15:05.26 | winkiller | what I mean is.. I have some code that should be in a repo soon, and the question if I "technically" commit it with my own user and then fork it from the other account |
| 15:05.38 | steev | it does not track changes from the original once you fork |
| 15:05.38 | winkiller | or use the other account, or doesnt matter |
| 15:05.47 | winkiller | that's clear, steev |
| 15:06.00 | winkiller | in this case I have my account:A and company account:B |
| 15:06.08 | arkanes | what user you commit from doesn't matter, what matters is which repo you push into |
| 15:06.15 | winkiller | and while I'm the developer, the "offical repo" will be on B |
| 15:06.38 | winkiller | ah right, you can open push access by others, right? |
| 15:06.48 | Adirelle|work | github could distinguish the commiter and the author |
| 15:06.49 | haste | Adirelle|work: and done |
| 15:07.32 | arkanes | winkiller: that kind of workflow is known as having a "blessed repo" |
| 15:07.35 | steev | winkiller: afaik, yes - or if you commit to A and want B to pull it, in A's fork, there's a button that says "Pull Request" |
| 15:08.05 | Adirelle|work | steev, have you several repos or several accounts, or whatever ? |
| 15:08.13 | Adirelle|work | that's a bit unclear |
| 15:08.47 | arkanes | winkiller: you'd work in your personal repo, and then submit changes to the blessed one with the pull request |
| 15:08.52 | steev | Adirelle|work: hm? |
| 15:09.09 | winkiller | ah, in the admin panel, my personal account is under "Repo Collaborators" |
| 15:09.15 | arkanes | winkiller: then the blessed account would pull in the changes and integrate them into the "trunk" |
| 15:09.19 | Adirelle|work | steev, sorry, wrong target :p |
| 15:09.25 | arkanes | since you're the same person you can probably also push directly |
| 15:09.27 | winkiller | arkanes: it's about the *initial* commit |
| 15:09.40 | arkanes | winkiller: make the initial commit in the blessed one |
| 15:09.47 | arkanes | and then fork that for your developer copy |
| 15:09.53 | winkiller | yeah, probably best |
| 15:10.07 | Adirelle|work | brb |
| 15:10.24 | haste | and do one feature change per branch |
| 15:10.24 | haste | that way people can actually merge :P |
| 15:10.52 | nevcairiel | sadly that only works if your project is already somewhat mature |
| 15:11.02 | nevcairiel | if its still in the big implementation phase, thats alot of management overhead |
| 15:11.19 | winkiller | nah, we're at 0.4 and it's rock stable ;) |
| 15:11.21 | arkanes | yeah takes a lot of discipline to do that |
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| 15:11.32 | arkanes | but it's a great way to work |
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| 15:20.19 | Axodious | anyone know what 1x constant table overflow: is? |
| 15:20.27 | Axodious | doesn't specify an addon or anything |
| 15:20.31 | Axodious | happens when ilogin |
| 15:23.12 | jnwhiteh | you have a table with too many constants defined in it. |
| 15:24.09 | krka | doesn't it just mean that you have atleast one function with over 2^18 constants in it? |
| 15:24.18 | krka | or something like that |
| 15:24.33 | Axodious | there a way to find out whats causing it? |
| 15:24.37 | krka | might be the savedvariables i suppose |
| 15:24.47 | krka | or a huge table in an addon |
| 15:25.00 | jnwhiteh | krka: it's almost always a SV file· |
| 15:25.04 | jnwhiteh | which is just a function, ofc. |
| 15:26.03 | Gagorian | Can the order of auras on the paladins ShapeshiftBar be modified? |
| 15:26.11 | Gagorian | Or can I trust the indexes to be correct? |
| 15:26.23 | jnwhiteh | you can't trust them |
| 15:26.28 | jnwhiteh | because any paladin could or coudln't learn a given aura |
| 15:26.28 | nevcairiel | its usually the order you learned them in |
| 15:26.32 | jnwhiteh | same issue with Druids. |
| 15:26.35 | nevcairiel | which is a bitch to track |
| 15:26.46 | nevcairiel | screw those druids that were too lazy to do the aquatic quest |
| 15:26.51 | nevcairiel | and screwed up my logic :P |
| 15:26.51 | jnwhiteh | fuckers. |
| 15:27.14 | nevcairiel | i believe its trainer these days |
| 15:27.56 | Gagorian | Well I'll iterate over them all then |
| 15:27.59 | Gagorian | *sigh* |
| 15:28.05 | asmodai | You get them from the trainer yes |
| 15:28.14 | asmodai | but you can also still do the quest even if you trained aquatic form XD |
| 15:28.38 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:28.43 | jnwhiteh | thats funny |
| 15:29.04 | nevcairiel | they should give you some low level idol for it |
| 15:29.13 | asmodai | will make completing it much easier ^^ |
| 15:29.17 | asmodai | freaking trip to Westfall |
| 15:29.26 | arkanes | you get a pretty nice belt |
| 15:30.31 | asmodai | oww |
| 15:30.33 | asmodai | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=16608 |
| 15:30.52 | Ackis | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/fuckocculus/ |
| 15:31.19 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt approve that :P |
| 15:31.27 | yoshimo | me neither |
| 15:32.03 | asmodai | yoshimo: Any chance of making addonspam a LDB one? :P |
| 15:32.24 | Fisker | ahahahahah vhaarr |
| 15:32.29 | Fisker | i'm the biggest ninja almost |
| 15:32.43 | Fisker | just got the ICC10 bow |
| 15:32.47 | asmodai | trips Fisker |
| 15:32.54 | asmodai | Oh lord, it's official, Fisker plays a hunter |
| 15:33.14 | vhaarr | Fisker: bastard! |
| 15:33.15 | ckknight | I thought Fisker played a pally |
| 15:33.18 | yoshimo | asmodai, if you read the topic in the wowace forum, there is a new"major" in planning state |
| 15:33.20 | SunTsu | asmodai: yeah, I remember that too well. "Where the heck is Westfall and where do I have to go?" - so I just kept going and asked toons I met on the way how to get to Westfall |
| 15:33.27 | Fisker | i do ckknight |
| 15:33.28 | Fisker | and a rogue |
| 15:33.30 | Fisker | and a hunter |
| 15:33.37 | ckknight | huntard |
| 15:33.38 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Bowfisker |
| 15:33.38 | ckknight | get it right. |
| 15:33.41 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fisker |
| 15:33.42 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin |
| 15:33.43 | asmodai | yoshimo: I haven't seen the topic |
| 15:34.08 | nevcairiel | bowfisker, man even your names are fail |
| 15:34.11 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:34.16 | asmodai | shit, Fisker is in my battlegroup :( |
| 15:34.20 | Fisker | better than trollforfood |
| 15:34.39 | arkanes | bowfisker is only any good if you actually use a gun |
| 15:34.54 | arkanes | otherwise you should have gone with Shooterfisker |
| 15:35.05 | asmodai | lytefisker |
| 15:35.20 | Axodious | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/funny-pictures-cat-hates-the-vet.jpg |
| 15:35.22 | Axodious | rofl! |
| 15:35.36 | asmodai | Axodious: heh :) |
| 15:35.37 | nicoli_s | those kitties look freeky |
| 15:36.25 | asmodai | oh wait, meant Lutefisker |
| 15:37.01 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1190 / (3 files in 2 directories): - Added calculation for Retribution Aura |
| 15:37.37 | Gagorian | Lutfisk tastes awful. |
| 15:37.43 | asmodai | hahaha |
| 15:37.46 | Gagorian | It must be Fisker's fault |
| 15:39.36 | haste | Gagorian: fuck no it doesn't, lutfisk is awesome |
| 15:40.04 | Bruners | haste: lies |
| 15:42.03 | krka | lutfisk is the poop :( |
| 15:42.36 | Superfly_ | is there any module for minion yet? |
| 15:42.36 | Bruners | dried codfish prepared in a potash lye |
| 15:43.19 | yoshimo | Gagorian, its ALWAYS his fault |
| 15:45.42 | KriLL3 | btw why hasn't the tomtom author been sued by the tomtom company yet? =P |
| 15:46.50 | Kalroth | they tried, but they couldn't find his address |
| 15:46.53 | Kalroth | (teehee) |
| 15:48.33 | steev | Superfly_: the wowi updater? |
| 15:48.47 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1191 Data/Paladin.lua: - Added 2h weapon spec bonus for Retribution Aura |
| 15:48.51 | Superfly_ | the link in the topic, minion.mmoui.com |
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| 15:50.01 | Superfly_ | the default one(wowinterface) is in the package, looking for some example basically |
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| 15:51.50 | steev | Superfly_: no clue, i've never been able to get it to work here so *shrug* |
| 15:52.06 | KriLL3 | are tickets on wowi hidden before they're approved? submitted one and it's not in the list |
| 15:52.31 | Superfly_ | too bad, it's pretty fast, and works perfectly |
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| 15:53.46 | Superfly_ | can't wait to see other modules |
| 15:53.46 | pompy1 | Anyone live around the Philadelphia area? |
| 15:54.02 | ckknight_ | pompy1: trying to find a ride to get the hell out? |
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| 15:55.32 | pompy1 | ckknight: lol well Im at the jersey shore and I just got a call from my town with a recording saying "The Sunoco refinery in Philadelphia has experienced some material settling issues. The DEP has determined this non-toxic.." |
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| 16:00.00 | Xinhuan | so does new armory reports to the whole world when i run a heroic |
| 16:00.07 | Xinhuan | so this* |
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| 16:00.27 | vhaarr | it also allows people to play any emote with your character, which I find wrong in some weird way |
| 16:01.09 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50776 <-i r teh ninja vhaarr |
| 16:01.26 | vhaarr | Fisker: I have that for offspec on my main :P |
| 16:01.44 | jnwhiteh | KriLL3: cause I'm awesome. |
| 16:01.52 | jnwhiteh | who would sue little old cladhaire? |
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| 16:04.10 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: Fisker |
| 16:08.07 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: he won't sue me until he gets his HTC Hero |
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| 16:34.32 | Xtek | The only cure is more cookies. |
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| 16:41.40 | yoshimo | how is blessed coming along Antiarc? |
| 16:44.30 | Fisker | @project blessed |
| 16:44.31 | Repo | Fisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago |
| 16:45.24 | SunTsu | Gagorian: Sorry that it took some time to confirm the warlock issue |
| 16:45.27 | yoshimo | ~seen zeksie |
| 16:45.28 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 29d 17h 17m 1s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'. |
| 16:45.35 | yoshimo | dammit^^ |
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| 17:21.31 | KriLL3 | jnwhiteh: did you see my ticket on tomtom btw? doesn't appear on wowi, dunno if it needs to be accepted or something like that |
| 17:21.47 | KriLL3 | turn in pins can't be waypointed |
| 17:22.58 | KriLL3 | ... love wow |
| 17:23.02 | KriLL3 | "Success!" |
| 17:23.25 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.11-3-g9bd8572 Data (3 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 17:23.41 | Repo | 9bd8572: remove debugging-stuff |
| 17:23.42 | Repo | df2f99f: add item cooldown ready Trigger Condition |
| 17:23.44 | Repo | 1aa0aa4: only hide full overheals for HoTs. |
| 17:23.46 | KriLL3 | wee, wow error |
| 17:23.52 | KriLL3 | was a long time since I got one |
| 17:24.38 | KriLL3 | 300 queue... |
| 17:25.21 | chiper | http://imgur.com/6kCaY.png |
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| 17:26.45 | KriLL3 | I've never managed to get that bug |
| 17:27.00 | chiper | how does it happen? |
| 17:27.27 | KriLL3 | think it has to do with being in flightform and repeatedly "landing" during lag and using a mount |
| 17:27.38 | KriLL3 | then take off again and the mount remains |
| 17:27.46 | KriLL3 | as said I've never managed it |
| 17:27.54 | KriLL3 | not that I've tried |
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| 17:40.36 | steev | sigh |
| 17:40.43 | steev | remind me to not use mmoui on my linux box |
| 17:41.10 | steev | hooray for broken addons |
| 17:42.23 | profalbert | ah, so I'm not the only one |
| 17:42.38 | profalbert | I was wondering why it caused SYNTAX-errors in addons |
| 17:43.21 | KriLL3 | what does it do? randomly re-arrange code? |
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| 17:44.05 | profalbert | I think it may handle newlines improperly |
| 17:44.18 | profalbert | but I did not investigate the issue at all |
| 17:44.26 | profalbert | just replaced the addon-folder with a working one |
| 17:44.59 | profalbert | the main issue of mmoui is still that it downgrades too many addons |
| 17:45.24 | KriLL3 | sounds awesome |
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| 17:51.13 | steev | yeah |
| 17:56.11 | KriLL3 | is there a way to stop custom channels appearing in the top scrolling warning like thing? |
| 17:56.25 | KriLL3 | I'm in some addon channel and at random I get a big string of text |
| 17:57.37 | steev | custom channels appearin in the top scrolling warning like thing? |
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| 17:57.44 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 17:57.51 | KriLL3 | like a raid warning |
| 17:58.07 | steev | like chatter is outputting it to msbt? |
| 17:58.28 | KriLL3 | don't know what msbt is |
| 17:58.31 | KriLL3 | but yes I got chatter |
| 17:58.40 | jnwhiteh | KriLL3: if its not on wowi, then it didn't get posted, so no, i didn't see it. |
| 17:58.48 | KriLL3 | weird I posted it |
| 17:59.36 | steev | KriLL3: there's an option in chatter to output chat with your name to the notification area |
| 18:00.00 | KriLL3 | yeah found it, can't seem to find how to turn it off for custom channels though |
| 18:00.54 | KriLL3 | jnwhiteh: anyway, ctrl + right click on "?" pins on the map doesn't do anything |
| 18:01.13 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:01.15 | jnwhiteh | not a bug |
| 18:01.17 | jnwhiteh | not implemented. |
| 18:01.22 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 18:01.25 | jnwhiteh | its only the quest giver ones |
| 18:01.27 | jnwhiteh | not the quest returnets |
| 18:01.32 | jnwhiteh | afaik |
| 18:02.18 | jnwhiteh | and yes, it is on wowi |
| 18:02.20 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=8&a=viewbug&bugid=6386 |
| 18:03.50 | KriLL3 | not on http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=8&a=listbugs |
| 18:04.15 | KriLL3 | errm |
| 18:04.17 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 18:04.18 | jnwhiteh | yes it is |
| 18:04.19 | jnwhiteh | nublet. |
| 18:04.21 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=8&sb=mod&a=listbugs&lstsb=date&so=asc&page=6 |
| 18:04.34 | KriLL3 | the pages don't seem to correspond to categories... |
| 18:04.54 | KriLL3 | saw a tomtom section and assumed that was all |
| 18:05.01 | jnwhiteh | ass =) |
| 18:05.03 | jnwhiteh | you |
| 18:05.03 | jnwhiteh | me |
| 18:05.04 | jnwhiteh | you know ;P |
| 18:05.07 | jnwhiteh | sokay |
| 18:05.12 | jnwhiteh | i'll get to it eventually |
| 18:06.28 | KriLL3 | right, weird that it would require different code |
| 18:06.40 | jnwhiteh | i didn't say it does |
| 18:06.56 | jnwhiteh | but working with the POIs is not nice |
| 18:06.57 | KriLL3 | has a different name/class/whatever then? |
| 18:07.02 | jnwhiteh | no idea |
| 18:07.04 | jnwhiteh | haven't looked at it |
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| 18:07.57 | Yin | Can someone help me out? WinterTime is giving a bunch of OnClick errors when I'm reloading my UI. Did they rename the OnClick command for XML files? |
| 18:08.14 | jnwhiteh | i dont know how to respond to that. |
| 18:08.19 | jnwhiteh | but.. 'no'. |
| 18:08.36 | Yin | Then why does it keep saying Unknown script element OnClick? |
| 18:08.54 | jnwhiteh | because something is trying to set an onclick script on something that isn't a button. |
| 18:09.28 | Yin | Alright. I'll just edit all the offending code out then |
| 18:09.39 | jnwhiteh | alright.. someting will stop workign the |
| 18:09.41 | jnwhiteh | then |
| 18:09.46 | jnwhiteh | but if you don't need it.. then I guess you're fine =) |
| 18:09.49 | Yin | ..uhm, why? |
| 18:09.55 | jnwhiteh | .. because code exists for a reason |
| 18:09.58 | Yin | If it's giving me an error, doesn't that mean it's not working anyway? =.= |
| 18:10.03 | jnwhiteh | and if you remove it, something stops working |
| 18:10.05 | jnwhiteh | yes, ofc. |
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| 18:10.16 | jnwhiteh | =_ |
| 18:10.17 | Yin | ..so I'll just remove the code that's giving me errors since it's not working anyway, like I said. |
| 18:10.20 | jnwhiteh | =) even |
| 18:10.25 | jnwhiteh | okay then. |
| 18:16.24 | steev | heh |
| 18:17.27 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 * r2508 Core/AtlasLoot.lua: - Fix 25 Man button |
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| 18:27.57 | NeoTron | ahhaa |
| 18:28.03 | NeoTron | {See you all next week for the blood prince discussion: "Balls of flame in my raid? It's more likely than you think..." } |
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| 18:32.29 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.3-15-g42fb8c8 / (5 files in 2 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated) |
| 18:32.32 | Repo | 42fb8c8: Raid summary will update gems when gem data is available instead of showing 0% till it loads |
| 18:32.32 | Repo | e77fa47: Party summary will update better and not flicker between unknown or no data when loading |
| 18:32.34 | Repo | 9b989a5: General item summary will list missing gems now too |
| 18:32.35 | Repo | 335d7d2: Inspection data will update smoother and not flicker anymore, hopefully |
| 18:36.01 | Silowyi | is there an addon that tells you how long your current GCD is? |
| 18:36.11 | Silowyi | like "Your GCD is 1.127 seconds" |
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| 18:48.29 | yoshimo | isnt that too accurate? |
| 18:48.40 | durcyn | Silowyi: you can calculate it, or just measure GetSpellCooldown on UNIT_SPELLCAST_START |
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| 18:49.00 | durcyn | there are addons that do it, such as CastDonut and Quartz, but they don't display numbers last i checked |
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| 18:50.25 | Silowyi | durcyn: I'm thinking of coding something that calculates it and puts it in the tooltip for Haste. |
| 18:50.48 | Silowyi | assuming that tooltip can be modified |
| 18:51.24 | durcyn | sure it can |
| 18:52.24 | Silowyi | the Haste Rating paperdoll tip, and then the ranged Speed, and melee Speed paperdoll tip. |
| 18:52.53 | Silowyi | refresh my memory, GCD for rogues and druids is 1sec right? and can't ever be lowered? |
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| 18:56.40 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic 04v3.3.2 * r718 : (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 18:56.42 | Repo | Tagging as v3.3.2 |
| 18:56.43 | Repo | - The icon is back for Overlord's Brand |
| 18:56.44 | Repo | - Fixed a couple NPC IDs |
| 18:56.45 | Repo | - Improved portal information in VH (courtesy of Ammo) |
| 19:03.31 | sb|work | Shadowed: eg doesn't like hit items for healers!! :/ |
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| 19:06.25 | Silowyi | sb|work: cause spells miss |
| 19:07.04 | Pneu | mass dispel does, freqyently |
| 19:07.10 | Pneu | *frequently |
| 19:09.11 | Silowyi | Pneu: err healing spells rather :P |
| 19:09.34 | Silowyi | I'm not sure spell hit helps with mass dispel, it seems that dispel chance is pretty much a thing of its own |
| 19:09.36 | sb|work | well.. that bracers are like 2nd best item overall... but they have hit :p |
| 19:10.05 | Pneu | dispel chance is based on +hit |
| 19:10.09 | Pneu | GC confirmed it months ago |
| 19:10.11 | Silowyi | sb|work: I know how it is a resto druid/boomkin off, a lot of the gear I pick up for one spec will be an upgrade for the other. |
| 19:10.46 | Silowyi | Pneu: really? That's good to know, though I don't do any pvp, or play a priest. I never have problems stripping poisons/curses off on my druid with no spell hit |
| 19:11.26 | Pneu | it was a problem at steelbreaker for example, where you needed +hit to ensure 100% dispell chance on the tank |
| 19:12.11 | Pneu | and faction champs i regularly get misses |
| 19:14.25 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r719 / (3 files in 3 directories): Adjust parameter positioning |
| 19:16.48 | steev | looks like the armory got some changes |
| 19:21.19 | Xtek | yeah, last night |
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| 19:25.36 | Pneu | sb|work: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49978 |
| 19:27.26 | yoshimo | when will europe get the changes? |
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| 19:30.30 | Xtek | yoshimo, when you send me cookies. |
| 19:31.06 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7033 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Fix plague on 25man. |
| 19:33.39 | yoshimo | xtek, im not sure if those cookies are healthy |
| 19:33.48 | Xtek | :( |
| 19:33.53 | Xtek | Well then. |
| 19:33.57 | Xtek | No Armory updates for you! |
| 19:39.16 | Megalon | shoves a Fisker-shaped cookie down Xtek's throat |
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| 19:43.17 | Xtek | Hmm. |
| 19:43.27 | Xtek | 'bout that |
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| 19:46.16 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.3-16-g8d5a8bc data/item_data.lua: [+1 commit] Bizuri's Totem of something something reflagged to be good for Enhancement and Elemental |
| 19:46.43 | Fisker | btw Shadowed |
| 19:47.08 | Fisker | Earlier today it mistakenly took a tank for a dps'er |
| 19:47.15 | Shadowed | Let me guess |
| 19:47.17 | Shadowed | it was a DK |
| 19:47.19 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:47.24 | Shadowed | Your DK wasn't a tank |
| 19:47.26 | Shadowed | he was retarded |
| 19:47.29 | Fisker | maybe |
| 19:47.40 | Shadowed | Only reason a DK isn't classified as a tank is they don't pickup tank talents |
| 19:47.41 | Fisker | But it still shouldn't consider him dps even if his spec was retarded :P |
| 19:47.45 | Shadowed | yes it should |
| 19:47.54 | Shadowed | The specs are the same, if they don't pickup tank talents they aren't tanks |
| 19:47.56 | Shadowed | it's the same with Druids |
| 19:48.17 | Shadowed | Just Druids are less retarded than DKs |
| 19:48.23 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:48.32 | Ackis | does it have priest tanks? |
| 19:48.57 | pompy | ~lart Ackis |
| 19:48.57 | purl | offers Ackis some herring |
| 19:49.04 | Ackis | and can I pay you a cookie to add code for "if this guild on this server then score == moran" |
| 19:49.44 | Shadowed | I was debating making it corrupt data for anyone who doanted to GS |
| 19:49.46 | Shadowed | donated* |
| 19:50.20 | Ackis | heh |
| 19:50.36 | Fisker | i still want it to have a "fuck this guy, never want to group with him anymore" |
| 19:50.45 | Fisker | and have it shared across characters |
| 19:50.51 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7034 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Add flashnshake on chased by red. |
| 19:51.02 | Ackis | Fisker: your toons would be auto-added to it right? |
| 19:51.10 | Fisker | yes |
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| 19:51.25 | Fisker | but i swear |
| 19:51.58 | Fisker | Tanks with 25k hp buffed, healers who just randomly run around and let people die, and a fury tank who wipes us 4 times before the first boss should be on it too |
| 19:53.12 | vhaarr | Fisker: ignore them? |
| 19:54.03 | Ackis | Shadowed: you should add an option for you to tweet your elitistgroup score or w/e you call it! |
| 19:54.08 | Fisker | yes vhaarr |
| 19:54.11 | Ackis | just requires a reloadUI! |
| 19:54.18 | steev | Fisker: whats wrong with 25k hp buffed!? |
| 19:54.31 | Fisker | but i don't want to do it manually and i want it shared across characters |
| 19:54.40 | Pneumatus | 25k hp is more than enough for everything apart from HHoR |
| 19:54.41 | Fisker | well actually not that much if you can play steev |
| 19:55.04 | steev | maybe he's got 25k hp and 700 defense? |
| 19:55.17 | Fisker | wasn't defense capped either |
| 19:55.59 | Ackis | Fisker: buy my account! |
| 19:56.02 | Ackis | or Caleb| |
| 19:56.19 | Fisker | sure |
| 19:56.23 | Fisker | i'll buy it for 5 cents |
| 19:56.25 | Ackis | $1 billion peso's please! |
| 19:56.32 | Fisker | then provide proof to blizzard that i bought it |
| 19:56.34 | Ackis | you can have my weiner for 5 cents |
| 19:56.36 | Fisker | then get it permanently banned |
| 19:57.24 | Ackis | then I'll say I'm korean and that what I'm doing is legal under law |
| 19:57.26 | Ackis | hah! |
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| 20:11.45 | Groktar | hmm |
| 20:11.54 | Groktar | i wonder how hard it would be to get quickauctions to share a craft queue across accounts |
| 20:12.57 | Groktar | like build the queue on your glyph mule and then send a message to your main |
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| 20:18.38 | Gnarfoz | Groktar: across accounts? eek |
| 20:18.57 | chiper | groktar: for what purpose? to buy mats? |
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| 20:21.12 | chiper | ATSW lets you queue stuff up on an alt and then pulls up the mats list when you visit the AH on another character |
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| 20:21.27 | chiper | it's kinda annoying actually, there's no way to clear the queue from the other character |
| 20:21.48 | Antiarc | Writing support docs sucks. |
| 20:22.02 | chiper | yes, yes it does |
| 20:22.34 | chiper | looks over at his neglected open source php framework |
| 20:23.13 | Antiarc | I've reached a point in my framework and support libs that even writing forms is fun |
| 20:23.15 | Antiarc | But docs. Bleh. |
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| 20:27.02 | Gagorian | Turn the Tables is a buff on the rogue, right? |
| 20:27.57 | Gagorian | (As opposed to being on the target) |
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| 20:31.01 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1192 Data/Rogue.lua: - Fixed Turn the Tables proc |
| 20:32.59 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: both, afaik? |
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| 20:35.01 | Repo | 10gmi-plus-lib-st: 03chaosknightz * r15 GuildMI.lua: check working but can't get it to uncheck |
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| 20:42.00 | cralor | I'm getting a Curse error on the Beta Key site :S |
| 20:42.33 | Antiarc | Gagorian: Yes |
| 20:42.41 | cralor | I got it yay! |
| 20:43.01 | Ackis | rawr CrazyBenny |
| 20:43.02 | Ackis | sdaflksdjfdsa |
| 20:43.08 | Ackis | s/CrazyBenny/cralor/ |
| 20:43.19 | Ackis | fml |
| 20:43.24 | cralor | lol Ackis >_< |
| 20:43.34 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 20:43.40 | Ackis | sup Fisker |
| 20:43.43 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:43.48 | Ackis | cralor: did you see the response to your tweet? :P |
| 20:43.52 | Fisker | why are you guys so upset over STO beta keys? |
| 20:43.53 | cralor | lemme look |
| 20:43.59 | Fisker | i hate you now Ackis |
| 20:44.03 | CrazyBenny | :o |
| 20:44.08 | Groktar | i got my beta key ok |
| 20:44.11 | Ackis | Fisker: my STO key worked, I didn't get upset |
| 20:44.18 | Ackis | CrazyBenny: tab name completion failed for me :P |
| 20:44.19 | cralor | slaps Fisker over the head with a large trout |
| 20:44.55 | cralor | I wasn't upset... it was just... broken |
| 20:45.11 | Ackis | lies |
| 20:45.13 | Ackis | you were crying |
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| 20:45.35 | CrazyBenny | beta key worked fine, unlike STO servers :P |
| 20:45.37 | cralor | You replied with my tweet -_- |
| 20:46.03 | cralor | But I dug up Kaelten's page |
| 20:46.14 | Ackis | cralor: yeah Kaelten is the one who had to answer it :P |
| 20:46.26 | cralor | You're not good enough |
| 20:46.46 | cralor | But maybe you are good at .pkgmeta errors? |
| 20:47.16 | Ackis | yes it's user error, nex |
| 20:47.17 | Ackis | t |
| 20:47.30 | cralor | >_< But no one could figure it out |
| 20:47.55 | cralor | ValueError: Too much to unpack or something |
| 20:48.02 | cralor | Let me find my pastes |
| 20:48.03 | Ackis | link to repo? |
| 20:48.08 | cralor | Ya one sec |
| 20:48.13 | Ackis | no NAO |
| 20:49.05 | cralor | .pkgmeta file: http://paste.wowace.com/1636/ |
| 20:49.13 | cralor | Packager error: http://paste.wowace.com/1635/ |
| 20:49.32 | cralor | Repo: svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/runemover/mainline/trunk |
| 20:50.24 | Ackis | you let Kaelten/ckknight know about that I'm assuming? |
| 20:50.44 | cralor | Yeah but ckknight never answered :P |
| 20:51.13 | Ackis | he's 100% on a super secret project |
| 20:51.21 | cralor | So I saw |
| 20:52.07 | Ackis | my guess would be that something is wrong |
| 20:52.13 | Ackis | what project is this for btw? |
| 20:52.15 | cralor | orly |
| 20:52.23 | cralor | I linked it |
| 20:52.44 | Ackis | and is paste 1636 your entire .pkgmeta file? |
| 20:52.53 | cralor | My projects don't really require SVN as my updates are minimal, but heck, I thought it's worth a learn |
| 20:53.07 | cralor | Yeah |
| 20:53.13 | Ackis | @project runemover |
| 20:53.15 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/runemover/. RuneMover. Game: WoW. cralor (Manager/Author). Updated: 36 days ago |
| 20:53.33 | cralor | Chyea |
| 20:53.43 | Repo | 10head-count: 03JerryBlade * r111 / (5 files in 2 directories): HeadCount: |
| 20:53.45 | Repo | - Commented out now unnecessary Lady Deathwhisper trigger text |
| 20:54.10 | cralor | I actually don't think Portfolio will work like that anyway, but I have yet to try it |
| 20:54.47 | cralor | Ackis: it has to be something with the external SVN |
| 20:55.16 | nevcairiel | thats usually not an error you caused, let Kaelten know and it might get fixed |
| 20:55.41 | Ackis | already talking to him nev |
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| 21:08.21 | Kaelten | ya, i'm going to look at it probably in the AM, but today if I can |
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| 21:08.49 | Ackis | i'll remind you tomorrow, you seem busy today |
| 21:09.12 | Kaelten | ya, that's an odd bug, not sure why it'd blow up on just that one |
| 21:09.31 | Ackis | everyone hates cralor, seems wowace does too! |
| 21:09.59 | cralor | /wrists |
| 21:10.05 | Pneumatus | s/cralor/ackis/ |
| 21:10.21 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:11.01 | Kaelten | ~comfort Ackis |
| 21:11.02 | purl | There, there, Ackis. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:11.09 | Pneumatus | ~whalecrit Ackis |
| 21:11.10 | purl | ACTION crits Ackis with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Ackis dies |
| 21:11.26 | Kaelten | ~lart Pneumatus |
| 21:11.26 | purl | beats Pneumatus senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 21:11.44 | cralor | ~botsnack |
| 21:11.44 | purl | aw, gee, cralor |
| 21:12.20 | Pneumatus | hmm, one of these days i'm gonna get merge errors on my headcount checkout |
| 21:14.37 | asmodai | Where one of these days is a day in the reckoning of either Blizzard Soon(tm) or Valve Time(tm). |
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| 21:15.41 | Ackis | one of these days I'll care what Pneumatus has to say! |
| 21:15.42 | Ackis | hah |
| 21:15.58 | Pneumatus | one of these days Ackis will stop loggin' dem keys! |
| 21:16.04 | Ackis | nein |
| 21:16.04 | AndChat| | Morning all |
| 21:16.05 | Ackis | never! |
| 21:16.14 | Ackis | logs AndChat|'s keys. |
| 21:16.16 | Ackis | hi |
| 21:16.30 | AndChat| | Ahh nick fubared |
| 21:16.52 | Ackis | list |
| 21:16.54 | Ackis | ~list |
| 21:16.55 | purl | one warez list being sent |
| 21:16.59 | Ackis | cool |
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| 21:17.44 | onaforeignshore | ~list ? |
| 21:17.45 | purl | one warez list being sent |
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| 21:21.00 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2799 / (2 files in 2 directories): Renamed the "RecipeDB" directory to "Database" |
| 21:21.02 | Repo | DON'T USE THIS ALPHA. |
| 21:21.35 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:22.05 | nevcairiel | Like people read this before download |
| 21:22.11 | nevcairiel | they might read after it broke |
| 21:22.16 | Ackis | yup |
| 21:22.42 | CrazyBenny | thats what you get for using alphas :P |
| 21:23.05 | pompy | yeah i know lol |
| 21:23.08 | pompy | oh well |
| 21:24.56 | Ingelagr | Shadowed, Antiarc: fix so i can like post in the raid like recount or something |
| 21:25.04 | Shadowed | I know |
| 21:25.05 | Ingelagr | @ elitist group |
| 21:25.10 | Ingelagr | nice |
| 21:25.12 | Ingelagr | <3 |
| 21:25.38 | Ingelagr | does it refresh automagically btw Shadowed on the window |
| 21:25.54 | Ingelagr | or do i need to reopen it everytime someone swaps gear |
| 21:27.38 | Ingelagr | hmm, color additions would be nice on the summary as well, like green on pass, red on warnings or something! |
| 21:30.19 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2800 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed the file paths to the database files in database.xml |
| 21:33.00 | AndChat| | & is this the right nick |
| 21:33.05 | AndChat| | No... |
| 21:33.44 | Ackis | type /nick <nickname> |
| 21:34.06 | Ackis | http://www.curseforge.com/licenses/550-common-development-and-distribution-license-cddl/ |
| 21:36.03 | AndChat| | ? |
| 21:36.25 | AndChat| | This client fails |
| 21:37.52 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03AnarkiQ3 * r7035 Citadel/Locales/ruRU.lua: ruRU locale update |
| 21:38.41 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole (experimental): 03Gaff3 * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial version |
| 21:39.13 | NivFreak | I thought grid2 was dead |
| 21:39.32 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole (experimental): 03Gaff3 * r3 / (8 files in 3 directories): Initial version |
| 21:39.32 | steev | apparently not |
| 21:39.56 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole (experimental): 03Gaff3 04r1 * r4 : Tagging as r1 |
| 21:40.06 | steev | rofl |
| 21:49.36 | Groktar | so i had 3 glyphs on the ah for 3g each, and a guy buys them out and puts them up for 50g. i put another one of the same up for 10g. then i did /point /laugh |
| 21:50.26 | steev | nicely done |
| 21:50.39 | Groktar | <- trying to force everyone out of the market |
| 21:52.49 | steev | i've been tryin to sell these same fail glyphs since i made em like 4 months ago |
| 21:53.16 | Groktar | lol |
| 21:53.26 | Groktar | gotta make like 5 of everything |
| 21:53.29 | steev | glyph of turn undead, and then glyph of feint |
| 21:53.36 | steev | meh |
| 21:53.42 | steev | i just made em to level inscription back then |
| 21:53.53 | asmodai | sometimes trade amazes me |
| 21:53.55 | asmodai | [22:53:35][2. Trade] [Séaneboy]: i will help raid the hogger |
| 21:54.36 | steev | oh snap |
| 21:54.39 | steev | wow just bombed on me |
| 21:55.37 | Groktar | hehe, he's doing it with other ones too now |
| 21:56.02 | steev | "LF Inscriptioner" |
| 21:59.12 | steev | eesh sto client is 7.4g |
| 21:59.56 | asmodai | As a newbie enchanter, those rods are not cumulative are they? I mean, you always need the lower ones for the lower enchants, can't use a higher rod for that? |
| 22:00.28 | Yivry | not true asmodai |
| 22:00.38 | Yivry | "will serve as lower lvl rod" or something |
| 22:00.43 | Yivry | it says literally |
| 22:00.46 | pompy | a higher rod requires the previous rod |
| 22:00.57 | Yivry | also that |
| 22:01.09 | asmodai | Oh does it say? I must be blind |
| 22:01.38 | Yivry | "Can also serve as any lesser runed enchanting rod." |
| 22:01.39 | asmodai | Only thing is says in the blacksmith view is "Needed by enchanters." >_< |
| 22:01.53 | Yivry | thats the non enchanted version :p |
| 22:01.53 | arkanes | asmodai: those rods arent the real rods |
| 22:02.00 | arkanes | you use those to make the enchanted one |
| 22:02.03 | asmodai | Yeah |
| 22:02.08 | Yivry | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22462 for example |
| 22:02.16 | pompy | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44452 |
| 22:02.20 | asmodai | But I needed to send them to low level alts as part of my blacksmithing levelling and was curious |
| 22:02.29 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 04v1.4 * 1bb5bf3 /: [new tag, +10 commits] Tagging as release 1.4 |
| 22:02.31 | arkanes | once upon a time you had to keep all your rods |
| 22:02.33 | asmodai | since it seems you would have like 6-8 rods at the end of the rod XD |
| 22:02.35 | asmodai | road |
| 22:02.47 | arkanes | they changed it some time during BC |
| 22:02.47 | Yivry | long time ago yes arkanes |
| 22:02.58 | asmodai | ahhh I see now. |
| 22:03.06 | Yivry | just as you needed all the transmute stone thingies as alchemist |
| 22:03.12 | asmodai | Thanks for that. :) |
| 22:03.22 | asmodai | Yivry: Works as first. |
| 22:03.30 | asmodai | And then you're 2 expansion packs further down the road ;) |
| 22:03.39 | Yivry | yeah :P |
| 22:03.41 | asmodai | "Oh, this doesn't scale over time..." |
| 22:04.00 | Yivry | remember when you needed the mounts and pets in bags too? :P |
| 22:04.38 | asmodai | Ahhh |
| 22:04.40 | asmodai | yea |
| 22:04.44 | Pneumatus | they really need to make a collection for tabards still :< |
| 22:04.49 | Yivry | yup |
| 22:04.52 | asmodai | man, how easily such things creep up on you |
| 22:04.55 | Pneumatus | half my bank is taken up with tabards i can't destroy and easily replace |
| 22:04.56 | asmodai | Pneumatus: yeah :( |
| 22:05.04 | Pneumatus | TCG ones, one-time ones, etc |
| 22:05.13 | asmodai | Pneumatus: I recently nuked my tabard of the hand to make a spot |
| 22:05.20 | asmodai | granted, low-level, but still |
| 22:05.34 | Pneumatus | bleh spacechicken |
| 22:05.44 | asmodai | Spacegoat for you |
| 22:05.58 | Pneumatus | w/e |
| 22:06.01 | asmodai | :P |
| 22:10.29 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 04v1.4.1 * 103df7d /: [new tag, +1 commits] Tagging as release 1.4.1, it's always fun finding a bug accidentally right after a tag. |
| 22:11.44 | SunTsu | and it's always fun seing a new version immediately after downloading the previous one - and more so twice in a row |
| 22:12.31 | asmodai | SunTsu: XD |
| 22:13.41 | Pneumatus | both users will totally be :angryface:! |
| 22:13.46 | NivFreak | Pneumatus: they just need to let you buy them all back from the tabard vendor once you've gotten them |
| 22:13.56 | Pneumatus | NivFreak: yeh, that would do as well |
| 22:14.02 | Pneumatus | if i could get them back i'd destroy them |
| 22:14.13 | NivFreak | ssame |
| 22:14.20 | NivFreak | I only have half a dozen in the bank though |
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| 22:16.06 | SunTsu | but I like that you can use direct links to files again, no more dumb captchas: Receiving file from http://static.wowace.com/content/files/409/334/ElitistGroup-v1.4.1.zip: done - Processing /tmp/ElitistGroup-v1.4.1.zip: parsing file names ........ removing old addon . extracting ........removing file done |
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| 22:22.45 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole (experimental): 03Gaff3 04r5 * r5 : Tagging as r5 |
| 22:23.10 | Repo | 10saved_instances: 03jokeyrhyme * r119 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added tag v3.0.1 for changeset b0fba1b248dd |
| 22:23.12 | Repo | - really fixed the bug with tracking randoms, really! forgot to convert hours to seconds, haha |
| 22:23.51 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.04 | steev | ~prat |
| 22:24.05 | purl | it has been said that prat is either A - british slang for 'A fool, idiot or objectionable person', B - the swedish word for 'chat, chatter or talk', or C - an Ace 2 World of Warcraft addon, or the reason Sylvaanar still pays Bliz every month |
| 22:24.21 | steev | sylvanaar: pingy :) |
| 22:24.51 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole (experimental): 03Gaff3 * r6 Grid2StatusDungeonRole.toc: Fixed toc |
| 22:25.02 | pompy1 | @describe prat-3.0 |
| 22:25.03 | Repo | pompy1: No project found that matches 'prat-3.0' |
| 22:25.07 | Repo | 10grid2statusdungeonrole (experimental): 03Gaff3 04r6 * r7 : Tagging as r6 |
| 22:25.16 | pompy1 | @describe prat-3-0 |
| 22:25.17 | Repo | pompy1: http://www.wowace.com/addons/prat-3-0/. Prat 3.0. A framework for chat ehancement modules. |
| 22:25.22 | steev | dude, just tag them as the actual -r they are |
| 22:26.12 | Funkeh` | why is prat still linking in CLINK in custom channels |
| 22:26.13 | Funkeh` | sigh |
| 22:26.54 | steev | cuz its AWESOME |
| 22:27.46 | Funkeh` | shit addons piss me off |
| 22:27.48 | Primer | Anyone here use epgp? My guild is going with this, but it seems there only exists "central" web sites that you can export to. I want to have web interface on my own website. Is that not possible? |
| 22:27.50 | Funkeh` | and i'm pissed off |
| 22:27.53 | Funkeh` | so i disagree |
| 22:27.56 | WobWork | hum |
| 22:28.00 | WobWork | STO beta eh? |
| 22:28.12 | Primer | "EPGP is implemented as an addon which you can download from the project's website or curse.com." |
| 22:28.15 | Primer | err |
| 22:28.20 | Primer | I need more coffee |
| 22:28.30 | Primer | "Paste the text from the export dialog of the addon here:" WHAT?! |
| 22:28.36 | Primer | they can't be serious |
| 22:28.48 | Primer | anyhow, I could have sworn I saw some text that read that the data can only be uploaded to their site for display on the web |
| 22:30.12 | onaforeignshore | I wish I can find the fricking addon that keeps popping up the Who window randomly with searches like "n-Someone" |
| 22:30.16 | onaforeignshore | it's driving me nuts |
| 22:30.29 | chiper | it's WIM |
| 22:30.48 | steev | onaforeignshore: look for any addon using libwho |
| 22:31.11 | chiper | I had that problem too until I switched to Cellular |
| 22:31.35 | steev | argh, Prat wants it to be Main's Alt or Main's alt - i need Alt: Main |
| 22:31.39 | onaforeignshore | is cellular better? |
| 22:31.43 | steev | its uglier |
| 22:31.51 | chiper | heh, yeah, what steev said |
| 22:31.57 | chiper | but its also less buggy |
| 22:32.03 | Arrowmaster | steev: you should be able to change that |
| 22:32.04 | onaforeignshore | don't care about looks, just about functionality |
| 22:32.34 | steev | Arrowmaster: i'm assuming its the match lines in {officer,public}note |
| 22:32.37 | steev | but i'm not sure |
| 22:32.53 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was configurable |
| 22:33.22 | chiper | onaforeignshore: it has fewer features compared to wim, and the interface is significantly less friendly, but it's much more reliable then WIM |
| 22:33.33 | Adirelle | haste, regarding oUF vehicle changes, I have one issue with pet frame when you do not control any pet on enter |
| 22:33.37 | steev | Arrowmaster: not that i can see |
| 22:34.32 | steev | f u locales. |
| 22:34.40 | Adirelle | apparently, at time of "entered" event, the pet frame does not receive the entered event (probably because it is hidden) and thus does not update its unit |
| 22:36.21 | Primer | <yoshimo> kandarz , i think your webserver has a problem . It errors when i tried to upload my eq file |
| 22:36.24 | Primer | wait |
| 22:36.29 | Primer | what's running on the web server? |
| 22:36.39 | Primer | I had just asked about this and the preceding text followed my question |
| 22:36.52 | Primer | err |
| 22:36.52 | Primer | eq |
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| 22:36.56 | Primer | so many acronyms |
| 22:36.59 | Primer | wtf is eq? |
| 22:37.01 | Primer | besides Everquest |
| 22:37.10 | onaforeignshore | Elitist Group v1.4.1-nolib - keep getting Download Failed error? |
| 22:37.18 | steev | winamp equalizer settings YO |
| 22:39.14 | Primer | my DK tank rocks |
| 22:39.19 | Primer | fuck y'all |
| 22:39.30 | steev | lies |
| 22:39.40 | Primer | I know a guy named Moran |
| 22:39.40 | steev | your dk tank sucks |
| 22:39.52 | steev | you can't even tank hogger |
| 22:41.12 | chiper | I've seen some pretty decent dk tanks. but I've seen even more that are complete fail |
| 22:41.21 | chiper | I have no delusions, I will never tank on my dk |
| 22:41.37 | chiper | hell, I'm not even good at dpsing on my dk :P |
| 22:41.39 | Primer | heh |
| 22:41.53 | chiper | which is why I use him for PVP |
| 22:41.55 | haste | Adirelle: yes, hidden frames don't run their OnEvent handler |
| 22:42.36 | steev | chiper: speaking of which |
| 22:42.49 | steev | last night some hunter challenged me to a duel... |
| 22:43.01 | steev | after i obliterate him... he says "sorry dc" |
| 22:43.04 | steev | "i mean lag" |
| 22:43.09 | steev | so we go again |
| 22:43.10 | chiper | lol |
| 22:43.13 | steev | i obliterate him |
| 22:43.26 | steev | a priest in our guild who pretty much does nothing BUT pvp |
| 22:43.36 | steev | comes over and the hunter challenges him |
| 22:43.41 | steev | the priest obliterates him |
| 22:43.59 | steev | the priest obliterated me too :( |
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| 22:44.07 | steev | well, not quite obliterated, it took about 3 minutes |
| 22:44.16 | steev | and 3/4ths of his mana |
| 22:44.38 | steev | and afterwards he says "holy hell you hit like a truck" |
| 22:44.56 | steev | he's got 1k resilience, and i was still critting for 4k |
| 22:44.59 | chiper | I have 5 80s right now. the DK is the only one where I regularly feel completely incompetent while playing him. I'm starting to get why there are so many noob DKs |
| 22:45.21 | steev | its not that difficult to figure out |
| 22:45.34 | steev | elitistjerks.com/f72 |
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| 22:45.41 | steev | maybe its /forums/f72 |
| 22:45.47 | steev | also deathknight.info |
| 22:46.01 | steev | i'm sure there's dkfornoobs.com somewhere |
| 22:46.58 | onaforeignshore | so it's cellular or wim with the irritating libWho... no other choices? |
| 22:46.59 | chiper | I'll look around, but most of it is just that I don't handle complex rotations well |
| 22:47.07 | chiper | and the unhold rotation can be pretty damned complex |
| 22:47.09 | orionshock- | Oy? Home client took my uid |
| 22:47.22 | Primer | SOOOOOO anyone here use epgp? |
| 22:47.29 | chiper | onaforeignshore: not that I've found |
| 22:47.40 | chiper | *unholy |
| 22:48.17 | SunTsu | chiper: it's not that complex, at least not for blood nor unholy |
| 22:48.21 | durcyn | or "just put whispers in their own chatframe, you mook." |
| 22:48.35 | chiper | sun: it's like 10 buttons long |
| 22:48.44 | SunTsu | the only thing that makes it a little bit complicated is to neither waste runes nor runepower |
| 22:49.39 | steev | actually |
| 22:49.51 | steev | latest unholy shit is... if you're not keeping up with the rotation, let the rp rot |
| 22:50.52 | Primer | that no one uses? |
| 22:51.07 | Aeyan | PS -> IT -> BS -> BS -> SS -> DC -> HoW -- SS -> BS -> BS -> SS -> DC -> DC, repeat |
| 22:51.09 | Primer | what framework is this? |
| 22:51.14 | Primer | I'm always on the lookout for new things |
| 22:51.28 | Aeyan | Replace the second BS's with a SS if you're rocking t10+ |
| 22:51.49 | SunTsu | steev: runepower of course has least priority. I try to get rid of most runepower while waiting on runes to reset, sometimes it works, sometimes it does not |
| 22:52.00 | steev | SunTsu: yep |
| 22:52.17 | steev | Aeyan: indeed |
| 22:52.31 | steev | Aeyan: although really its, "if you have reaping" |
| 22:52.53 | Aeyan | Yeah, technically, which they say you should pick up with t10+ =P |
| 22:53.58 | Aeyan | I do not have it =( |
| 22:54.13 | steev | if i had better keybinds it might be better |
| 22:54.19 | steev | but as of right now, it feels like a dps loss |
| 22:54.28 | SunTsu | Looks like my cloak's enchant wants me to pvp. Everytime a Tauren passes me by Lightweave Embroidery proccs. wtf. |
| 22:54.54 | arkanes | the earth vibrations set it off |
| 22:55.32 | SunTsu | arkanes: that sounds like the best explanation, because it happens both to my mage and to my warlock. And I'm not kiddingh |
| 22:55.35 | SunTsu | -h |
| 22:56.36 | Repo | 10lockdots: 03Xocide 07master * 17507c4 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 22:56.52 | Repo | 17507c4: Added .gitignore |
| 22:56.53 | Repo | 4422965: Added Dot bars. |
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| 23:02.49 | SunTsu | whoa, people in trade channel already discuss that there's no need to get better equipment because it will be worthless once Cataclysm arrives. Yeah, because it's nearly there |
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| 23:02.57 | Fisker | no SunTsu |
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| 23:04.11 | SunTsu | Fisker: sarcasm is above you, right? |
| 23:04.44 | Fisker | no |
| 23:05.09 | WobWork | Fisker wouldn't sarcasm |
| 23:05.16 | Fisker | never. |
| 23:06.43 | SunTsu | and he couldn't |
| 23:06.52 | durcyn | they don't have sarcasm in denmark |
| 23:07.16 | SunTsu | as long as they keep their Fiskers it's quite fine with me ;) |
| 23:07.34 | Fisker | you wouldn't SunTsu |
| 23:07.44 | onaforeignshore | great - 9 hours no wow now :( |
| 23:08.14 | SunTsu | onaforeignshore: hands starting to shake? Stomach cramping? |
| 23:08.36 | onaforeignshore | something like that :P |
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| 23:14.55 | Adirelle | haste, pushed a fix, I'm not totally happy with it but it should do the trick |
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| 23:20.29 | ckknight | does anyone care about Star Trek Online? |
| 23:21.03 | Nechckn | I used to follow it alot, then when it was canned, did not realize it had even been picked back up. |
| 23:21.22 | NivFreak | I signed in to get a key |
| 23:21.25 | NivFreak | that I probably won't use |
| 23:21.27 | Groktar | i installed it |
| 23:21.28 | Nechckn | The fact it is coming out is interesting, so will need to check it out. |
| 23:21.31 | Groktar | logged in |
| 23:21.33 | Groktar | and then hit exit |
| 23:21.41 | Nechckn | lol, that good, Groktar?? |
| 23:21.42 | WobWork | I got the key |
| 23:21.47 | WobWork | I'm currently downloading it |
| 23:21.50 | Groktar | graphics issues |
| 23:21.57 | Nechckn | Ah |
| 23:22.00 | Groktar | screen looked like it was having a seizure |
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| 23:25.33 | Fisker | slaps Groktar around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:27.02 | Groktar | maybe if close wow before starting the game it will look right |
| 23:27.05 | CrazyBenny | nice, first time I log in STO and first thing to popup in chat is "LFM Naxx 6000+ GS" |
| 23:27.26 | chiper | lol |
| 23:27.42 | Groktar | haha |
| 23:28.01 | NivFreak | nice |
| 23:29.12 | Gnarfoz | awesome ;p |
| 23:33.49 | Nechckn | Thanks for pointing that out, though, ckknight Did see the annoncement, so d/l now! |
| 23:37.51 | yoshimo | 6k? that sounds like a joke |
| 23:38.13 | CrazyBenny | yoshimo: STO = star trek online :P |
| 23:38.28 | yoshimo | crazy people^^ |
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| 23:39.23 | Kuosi | the gs regs on my server seem to go up by 50 every week atleats |
| 23:39.43 | Kuosi | getting out of hand |
| 23:40.32 | yoshimo | the basic idea wasnt that bad, but people cant use it |
| 23:40.34 | CrazyBenny | its simple, dont join groups that want any kind of gearscore...only retards use it anyway |
| 23:44.24 | Shadowed | the idea is bad |
| 23:44.38 | Shadowed | It should be average item level, nothing more |
| 23:45.08 | Shadowed | I'm going to release a super simple version that steals syncs from GS and then every time somebody says they only use GS for the average point them to that |
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| 23:46.43 | Kuosi | CrazyBenny: im not really having hard time joining them, just that they tend to take time to fill |
| 23:46.48 | Nechckn | Or jsut release one that gives some totally arbitrary value. Wait a week, then release one that "works" again. Then explain how only relying on a tool, no matter how good, is silly. |
| 23:47.05 | Kuosi | but I can understand ppl who have to spend days for getting totc25 raids because they want ridiculous gs for those |
| 23:48.12 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.11-4-gd923a26 Code/Triggers.lua: [+1 commit] remove debug-stuff and unneeded comments |
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| 23:54.55 | haste | Adirelle: pushed a commit based on yours. I don't prevent the intial element update from updating it tho' |
| 23:55.07 | haste | Adirelle: since it will be needed for reload ui and such |
| 23:56.11 | Adirelle | taking a look |
| 23:56.47 | Adirelle | oh, I forget to remove my debug statement |
| 23:57.15 | Adirelle | beside that I don't see what you are talking about |
| 23:57.27 | haste | your if(event == '') |
| 23:57.46 | haste | I also didn't cherry-pick due to that debug statement :) |
| 23:57.49 | Kuosi | Shadowed: Am I at lost here but didn't suf party configs include "sort by" options at some point? |
| 23:58.47 | Adirelle | oh, the event, is it just to prevent looping (that shouldn' t happen anyway) |
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| 23:59.36 | Adirelle | e.g. when you PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD("VehicleSwitch"), you already know the vehicle has been switched and is ok, so no need to test it again |
| 23:59.49 | Adirelle | that's why it bails out on VehicleSwitch event |
