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00:00.19SunTsutaleden: pitbull4 does something like it
00:01.17SunTsutaleden: it lets you choose whether you want the weapon's icon or the enchant one's - so you could simply look into pb4's source
00:09.01Repo10charscanner: 03kunda 0430300-3 * r33 : Tagging as 30300-3
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00:20.18Gnarfoz@project broker_lfd
00:20.22RepoGnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_lfd/. Broker_LFD. Game: WoW. ulic (Manager/Author). Updated: 12 days ago. Tickets: 2/7
00:20.34Gnarfozulic: http://paste.wowace.com/1649/ is that Broker_LFD's fault? o_O
00:29.33Fiskerhey Gnarfoz
00:29.34Fiskeri like you
00:38.37[SW]Dodgelf smith senjin eu ally :D
00:43.41ShefkiSunTsu: That feature is a pretty ugly hack.  I really wish there was a better way.
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00:53.41Repo10liblordfarlander-2-0: 03LordFarlander * r176 / (2 files in 2 directories): LibLordFarlander-2.0:
00:53.43Repo- PetAndMountDatabase update: hack to get Oculus vehicle drakes to always be selected (as well as adding them)
00:54.04SunTsuShefki: I don't know, but he was looking for a way to do that
00:56.36WobWorkomg, farlander is -still- monolithing his library?
00:57.01WobWorkwhy does he lie to himself =(
00:59.14ShadowedHe's awesome
01:12.49PrimerI once had the displeasure of looking liblordfarlander
01:12.57PrimerI once had the displeasure of looking AT liblordfarlander
01:13.04vhaarrhaven't we all :P
01:13.40Nechcknwhy is he never in here?  
01:13.52Primerhe knows we'd tear him a new one?
01:14.04Primervhaarr especially
01:14.05NechcknSeriously, any time there are commits, at least someone makes a comment.
01:14.29NechcknI will have to add him to the notify list   ;-)
01:14.33NechcknJust in case!@
01:16.34NeoTronBTW there is a library to get a persons role from talents already
01:16.38NeoTronLibGroupTalents-1.0
01:16.42NeoTronin case someone was wondering
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01:21.59Shadowedevillllll libraryyyy
01:22.43NeoTrondoes exactly what I wanted with a single call :P
01:22.59ShadowedA single call doesn't count when you don't use 99% of what the library does :p
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01:32.16PrimerHas anyone seen a guild web site that scrapes the wow calendar? I'm curious, because I wrote such a thing, and I'm thinking of releasing it, if no one has done it before. I've not yet seen any sites that do this
01:33.49fewyni haven't seen one
01:34.37Primerhttp://www.nightshiftguild.net/modules.php?name=Calendar  <-- this is what I'm talking about
01:34.57Primerthe colors aren't all that great, but I'm no designer
01:36.26PrimerBasically there's a backend script that scrapes the armory and stuffs all the guild events into a JSON variable which the frontend uses
01:36.35Primerthe frontend is 100% js
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01:37.28Primeruntested in IE, btw, but I presume no one here is that stupid
01:37.56koaschten@project lootcouncil-lite
01:37.57Repokoaschten: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/lootcouncil-lite/. LootCouncil_Lite. Game: WoW. Blacksen (Manager/Author). Updated: 17 hours ago
01:38.18NechcknPretty sexy, PREFIX
01:38.23Nechcknbahh... Primer
01:38.29koaschten@describe lootcouncil-lite
01:38.30Repokoaschten: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/lootcouncil-lite/. LootCouncil_Lite. Assists Loot Councils in the voting process
01:39.37PrimerNechckn: I did this on phpnuke...which seems to be a dead project
01:40.02Primerbut there's very little that's specific to phpnuke. It could be made to work with any CMS, really
01:42.38NechcknAugust 2007 looks like the latest
01:43.50NechcknThere used to be more sites with it..  for some reason it is very familiar.
01:44.22TrelaPHPNuke makes me puke.  :D
01:44.47NechcknIt is the "future of the Internet", do not mock
01:44.50Nechcknhehehe
01:45.26TrelaI found my new love, IPB.
01:46.03NechcknI imagine that would be pretty popular, though, Primer.
01:47.12PrimerNechckn: I think so too. I'm surprised I wasn't able to find any other sites doing it
01:48.21PrimerI even wrote a backend to store the battle.net credentials encrypted with mcrypt
01:48.44Primerso that running the scraper requires a decryption key
01:49.26NechcknPrimer'sGuildSites.com  =)
01:49.29Primergranted, anyone with write access to the script can just change it to output the result of the decryption to a file or something. But as long as no one messes with it, it should be secure enough
01:49.43Primermeh, there's already a bunch of places doing that
01:49.56NechcknYeah... but none are cool.
01:51.04NechcknBut, yeah.. as long as there is a modicum of protection, as you say, it should be enough for the purpose.
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02:02.53Gnarfozdid they finally fix the EU raid weekly reset?
02:02.53arkanessince the armory upgrade there's a way to export calendar info
02:03.18arkanesI didn't look into it, but it says you can sync it with google calendars and some other stuff, so it probably has a CalDav interface
02:06.17NivFreakI know some people syncing with thier iphones, not sure if that's via the app or not
02:06.24NivFreakbut it doesn't seem to store offset data ;)
02:09.44SunTsuGnarfoz: fix it in what way?
02:09.54GnarfozSunTsu: it's on tuesday instead of wednesday
02:10.05Gnarfozand apparently it just bugged out because it's the same as last week
02:10.29Gnarfozrelogging made it show up ~
02:10.56SunTsuGnarfoz: patchnotes said tuesday
02:11.07GnarfozSunTsu: US patchnotes, yes
02:11.17Gnarfozwhy they'd not adapt it, as usual, is beyond me
02:11.50Primerarkanes: I've not seen any way to obtain the calendar info without a battle.net login
02:23.38SunTsuGnarfoz: what's more disturbing: There seem to be two resets per week. on my realms they are merely seconds apart, but others said that they could do two weeklies a week
02:23.50Gnarfozdoubtful
02:24.18Gnarfozbut usually, the "you can only complete 25 quests today" reset (i.e. your counter) resets half a minute before the server switches quests
02:24.23vhaarrwoot, new 24 season
02:24.26Gnarfozso at first, you can take the old quest again
02:24.33Gnarfozand then a minute later, the new one
02:24.41Gnarfoz(but you can't have both anyway, so...)
02:24.48Gnarfoz(was the same with daily heroic quests, too)
02:27.18SunTsuGnarfoz: here you get a new one at 3° clock in the morning, a few seconds after that you get a different weekly. So there are people running around with different weeklies
02:27.34Gnarfozuhm, that's exactly what I said
02:28.08Gnarfozfirst, you get unlocked to take a new weekly, because your counters reset
02:28.47Gnarfozthe one you can accept then has to be the same one as the week 'before' (it's actually just because  server-side the week will end in 30 seconds or so), and then the new one
02:29.13SunTsuGnarfoz: no, because it happens at 3 °clock and it's different quests
02:29.38Gnarfozwhy do you abuse the degree sign thus :<
02:30.04Gnarfozand what does "no, because it's at 3 o'clock" mean? weeklies/dailies reset at 03:00
02:30.37SunTsulast week we had XT, then today we first got Patchwerk and now it's Razuvious
02:31.17Gnarfozthat's... strange :p
02:31.41SunTsuyeah, it is, it's been like this every week now
02:32.17SunTsuthe week before we too had XT, then it was Malygos, and few seconds later it was XT again
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02:46.07Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.5-19-g5e83696 data (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits]
02:46.10Repo5e83696: Reflagged SP/STA gems to elemental/pvp, as per http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t82625-shaman_elemental/#Gems
02:46.12Repo1830558: Added talent type for Elemental Shamans
02:46.54Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.5-20-g42a3841 modules/cache.lua: [+1 commit] Oops, should run scraper before commiting
02:58.12steevomfg
02:58.17steevthe tank trinket dropped in toc25
02:58.26steevfirst one we've seen
02:59.43Mikkhaha even my alt warrior has it
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03:00.28steevfffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
03:00.36steevwe also haven't seen death's verdict yet
03:01.05Mikkfor the hell of it
03:01.16Mikkform next week's raid with a different raid leader
03:01.26Mikkand have him remain leader until the instance is spawned
03:01.55Mikkjust in case that GM from ages ago knew waht he was talking about
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03:07.20steevfuck this game
03:07.25ckknightk, steev
03:07.28steevpiece of shit rng
03:07.45ckknightshall I send your departing gift basket to your home or office?
03:08.13steevMikk: we've had 4 different raid leaders
03:08.27steevdoesn't matter, the shit just never drops
03:08.37Mikkheh just SOL then
03:08.45Mikkseriously, wow needs a pray-to-the-gods button
03:08.51Mikkfor when shit refuses to drop
03:08.53Mikkafter loads of tries
03:09.32steevVal'kyr Twins kills (Trial of the Crusader 25 player)   18
03:10.16steevassuming that doesn't count tonight try, so 19
03:13.49RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/nowplaying/. Now Playing. ingela (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal.
03:14.07Ingelathank you!
03:14.07Torhalckknight: Stop overloading the forum server. It makes me weepy.
03:14.20ckknightI don't do forums
03:14.39TorhalI know that. That's why you keep overloading the server with your torrents
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03:38.56TrelaWhich server, Torhal?
03:39.54TorhalTrela: The forum server was overloaded. It's fine, now.
03:40.09TorhalI'm assuming the DB backups were bogging it down again
03:40.14TrelaNo.  >.>
03:40.32TorhalAh
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04:23.18RaydenUnii didn't update those addons
04:23.23RaydenUniit was only some...
04:23.23RaydenUnivery odd
04:23.28PProvost<PROTECTED>
04:24.19RaydenUniguess i'll have to reinstall the whole package?
04:24.25RaydenUnii od'nt know how to just get those profiles back
04:24.50RaydenUniare they in the WTF or the interface folder?
04:25.48PProvostDon't know
04:28.56steevhow... predictable, solace of the defeated dropped in heroic
04:30.17steevnow to see if we actually attempt faction champs (we normally leave cuz no one wants to attempt it)
04:30.53steev...
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04:31.01steevyeah... os3d *sigh*
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04:56.09RaydenUniwhat do you guys use to monitor cat debuffs?
04:56.55steevhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6n5kfkhtepp9uwcz/ :/
04:57.01steevsurvey says, i still suck
04:57.02WobWorkif the cat is still moving, the cat is not debuffed
04:57.25steevi closed the gap to 800
04:57.31WobWorkif the cat is lying in a sunbeam
04:57.39WobWorkchances are it's suffering Curse of Exhaustion
04:58.53RaydenUnii picked up badkitty and feralbynight
04:59.11Torhalpompy: If you break shit with this commit, I'mma dismember you.
04:59.13RaydenUnishit
04:59.17RaydenUniFBN puts stuff all over
05:00.44Ingelabtw, nowplaying is officially the most useless addon ever created
05:00.50Ingelaand it's made by me
05:00.52Ingelai am so proud
05:01.04steevwoohoo though
05:01.09RaydenUniwhat does it do?
05:01.12steev86.1% uptime of Indomitable
05:01.40steevon anub
05:01.44TorhalIngela: I'm sure it's slightly more useful than, say, GearScore.
05:01.52Ingelahaha
05:01.58Ingela@project nowplaying
05:01.59RepoIngela: http://www.wowace.com/addons/nowplaying/. Now Playing. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. ingela (Manager/Author). Updated: 11 minutes ago
05:02.20Ingela@projectinfo nowplaying
05:02.21steevits an addon that when someone sends you a tell in game, it tells them you're busy playing wow?
05:02.40Ingelano it's you type /np
05:02.49Ingelaand hten you can announce which song you're listening to!
05:03.01Ingela..by typing the artist and song
05:03.12steevi see
05:03.19Ingelavery useful!
05:04.23Ingelahow do i mark it that i have files and it's ready to not be experimental anymore
05:04.28Ingelacan't remember
05:04.53steev...
05:04.56RaydenUniferal by night looks interesting, but the author didn't label the 10 different frames he puts on the screen
05:05.00steevwhere IS my damn ghoul on WoL
05:05.05RaydenUnisorry
05:05.07RaydenUni11 frames
05:05.10Ingelait's there steev
05:05.20Ingelait should already be merged
05:05.33steevi don't want it merged
05:05.37steevi want to see what % of my dps it is
05:05.54Ingelathen press show pets
05:06.11Ingelaand find your pet
05:06.41steevwhere?
05:07.09steevhttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6n5kfkhtepp9uwcz/details/0/
05:07.54Ingelahttp://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6n5kfkhtepp9uwcz/sum/damageDone/
05:07.55Ingelago here
05:07.59Ingelaand then SHOW PETS
05:08.02Ingelain the right there
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05:08.35steevoooh
05:08.36steevwow
05:08.44Ingelawell hidden :D
05:08.44steevthey are very low percentage nowadays
05:09.03Ingelanot even 1%
05:09.28steevnow if only i could merge scourge strike's damage together :-P
05:11.20Ingela:OOO
05:11.33RaydenUniok i have a BArtender4 question
05:11.46RaydenUnii have it switch to different bar when i'm cat, and then i have alt switch to a different bar
05:11.53RaydenUniso when in cat, Alt-4 is faerie fire
05:11.58RaydenUniit tells me i have the wrong target
05:12.01RaydenUnioh i bet alt is self target
05:12.22RaydenUniyep
05:14.14Ingelause alt + f4 otherwise
05:14.21Ingelait'll override your self target
05:14.25WobWorkRaydenUni: there's another addon that suggests next best cat move
05:14.26Torhal:P
05:14.42WobWork=P
05:14.45RaydenUniwhich?
05:14.53WobWorkcheck on EJ
05:14.56RaydenUnii don't really need one
05:14.59RaydenUnii've been playing a cat for a while
05:15.06RaydenUnibut ithought i'd look
05:15.13RaydenUnii do want something to monitor debuffs and cooldowns though
05:15.20WobWorkif you just want one to track debuffs, sexycooldown should work
05:15.21RaydenUniferal by night has a lot of interesting info
05:15.31WobWorkI don't think FBN has been very accurate recently
05:15.33RaydenUnibadkitty looks like it does debuffs i think...
05:15.40WobWorknor badkitty
05:15.44RaydenUnii was using classtimers last i played
05:15.49RaydenUninot accurate?
05:16.02RaydenUnioh i think i have that installed
05:16.06RaydenUnii think it comes with CoehlUI?
05:16.14Ingelalol premade ui
05:16.16Ingelavery win
05:16.19RaydenUnihttp://www.cyan-studios.net/coehl/
05:16.25RaydenUniyou know about it?
05:16.28RaydenUnii haven't used a premade before
05:16.35RaydenUniwant something figured myself
05:16.43RaydenUnibut this one looked very similar to what i build
05:17.30Ingela:(.
05:18.09Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * Beta4-11-gc5ae7e8 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fixed a bug preventing you from getting a text dump of mounts or pets.  Renamed spell_type to companion_type.
05:18.30Ingelafucking hordes
05:18.31Ingelaalways loses bgs
05:18.43Ingelai should reroll ally
05:18.45ShefkiIngela: You know you say that but it really depends on the battlegroup.
05:19.02ShefkiFrom what I've seen most battlegroups it's the other way around.
05:19.16ShefkiWith Horde having a better win rate, except on AV for some reason.
05:19.17Ingelathat was part of our rp duuuh
05:19.25ShefkiDamnit.
05:19.47Ingelait's quite even on my bg
05:19.52Ingelaunless for av, where you can never win
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05:20.20ShefkiThe only one we (alliance) have issues with on my battlegroup is IoC.
05:20.29ShefkiWe always seem to start with 20 people to 30-40 horde.
05:20.42Ingela;D
05:20.58steevpsh
05:21.03Ingelai should relly get to bed, clock is 06.21 here
05:21.07steevwe used to steamroll yall everywhere
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05:21.11RaydenUnii wonder why some bear buffs are on this bar and some aren't
05:21.23RaydenUnigrowl is, but challenging roar isn't
05:22.37RaydenUnii can see the benefits to both of these mods
05:25.16steevi miss caith's ui
05:25.24ShefkiSomeone totally needs to abuse the "I think I made an angry poopoo" sound in WoW.
05:25.41steevmaybe volsomething will
05:26.01Shefkisteev: Miss?
05:26.07steevvoletron
05:26.39steevShefki: last time i used it... was 2.x
05:26.47Ingelahttp://instantrimshot.com/
05:26.50Ingelathis needs to be done as well
05:27.57Stanzillasteev: caith ui is still there, just ugly now :P
05:29.46ShefkiI think it looks pretty nice but I don't use it.  /shrug
05:30.07steevaww, went to a 2 bar layout
05:30.10Stanzillahave you seen the latest version?
05:30.12ShefkiThough I'm not gonna lie the aura borders in PB4 are based roughly on caith's
05:30.15Stanzillawith those ugly borders?
05:30.41Stanzillahttp://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw34485.jpg < ewww
05:31.00steevStanzilla: hah, thats exactly the screenshot of it i'm loading now
05:31.10ShefkiI don't really see what's ugly about those borders.
05:31.13steevgood news though
05:31.19ShefkiHe's just shifted to a softer edge than he used to use.
05:31.21steevThe Horde has taken the hangar!
05:31.55ShefkiBut good god how many unit frames does he need.
05:32.23steevlooks like raid, party, target, focus, focus target
05:32.34Stanzilla+target target
05:32.35Ingelahttp://i.imgur.com/vr4Bb.jpg
05:32.39Ingelahahah someone fucked it up good
05:32.53ShefkiWhy would you ever want raid and party?
05:33.15Stanzillahe already posted that he realized it's stupid and turned it off
05:33.21Stanzilla"so much space now"
05:33.27ShefkiAhh
05:33.45ShefkiDon't get me wrong, people ask for PB4 to be able to do it and we let them do it.
05:33.50ShefkiBut I've never understood why.
05:34.08Stanzillasame
05:34.44StanzillaI just cleaned up my pitbull4 savedvars by hand :X
05:34.45steevfor party and raid?
05:35.06ShefkiCleaned up how?
05:35.29Stanzillathe module options had stuff from old profiles I don't even have anymore
05:35.31Ingelasoap
05:35.40Stanzilla+ deleted the dogtagtexts stuff
05:35.49ShefkiIf so that's a bug with AceDB and should be reported.
05:36.13ShefkiUnless you deleted the profiles while the module wasn't loaded.
05:36.23ShefkiIn which case it probably still is a bug.
05:36.31Stanzillathat's what I did, I guess
05:36.50ShefkiPlease open a ticket on that to nudge me into looking into it.
05:37.05ShefkiI got the AceDB people to fix some other stuff that was making the sv's nasty.
05:37.10Stanzillahokay
05:37.32ShefkiThe whole point of using AceDB is to help keep the SV's clean.
05:39.23StanzillaShefki: #681
05:39.32Stanzillauber lazy ticket :o
05:39.34Shefkity
05:40.43ShefkiIt's good enough to jog my memory.
05:40.52Stanzillagood :)
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05:44.21Stanzillatime for sleep!
05:45.18Ingelasame here
05:45.21Ingelagood night everyone
05:47.00Repo10nowplaying (experimental): 03ingela 041.0 * r3 : Release
05:47.06Ingelaafter taht
05:47.06Ingela;)
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06:06.01sb|work@describe nowplaying
06:06.02Reposb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/nowplaying/. Now Playing. An ingame version of "/np" commands in many chat programs.
06:08.44asmodaiTime to wake!
06:09.21Bribriso I quit wow, and i'm just looking through the new armory anyway...and apparently the armory thinks one of my toons is male when it's definitely female =o
06:09.25Bribrithis is disturbing
06:09.40asmodaiYou didn't use the Blizzard sex change option?
06:09.46Bribrimost definitely not
06:10.27Bribrifemale gnome with pink pigtails since 2005, it'd be blasphemy to change
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06:18.56TentacledCripes, how can the doggamn 'elapsed' variable in OnUpdate be so horribly inaccurate..!  I've graphed it against GetTime() calls and oft it veers off so wildly that it's unusable... >_<
06:19.28asmodaiTentacled: Presumably a bug in 3.3
06:19.35TentacledOne would've thought giving a texture rotation "angle += elapsed", of sorts, would give it smooth timed rotation. But nooo.
06:19.43asmodaiAt least when alt tabbing ^^
06:20.15ShadowedHuh, inaccurate?
06:20.21TentacledAs hell...
06:20.22ShadowedOnUpdate is simply the time since the last frame update if I remember
06:20.27TentacledYup.
06:20.48ShadowedIf you want to do texture rotation, why not use the animation system
06:20.49TentacledSo, placing it as rotation steps on a visible object should give it timed rotation, should it not?
06:20.57TentacledI know, I know, but proof of concept.
06:21.38Tentacledangle = angle + elapsed * 6.28   -- should, more or less, give it 1/sec full circle, right?
06:22.02Tentacledincrementing in tiny fractions when framerate is great, and in larger steps when framerate sucks.
06:22.08WobWorkhm
06:22.11WobWorkTentacled: really
06:22.16WobWorkjust use the animation system
06:22.34Tentacledthat's not the doggamn point >_<
06:22.38WobWorksee AfterDark or Shadowed's snowflake addon
06:22.45ShadowedI've not noticed issues with OnUpdate being wildly off thought
06:22.53Shadowedbut use the animation system :P
06:22.58Shadowedit's easier to work with and far more efficient
06:23.04WobWorkwell the doggamn point is that you're getting inaccurate results
06:23.07TentacledI'm using elapsed timing for something entirely different, just used the rotation to test something!
06:23.10WobWorkwhen you could have the system do the work for you
06:23.16TentacledSheesh.
06:23.36ShefkiAvoid doing things in Lua space that the game can do more efficiently for you in C++ space.
06:23.42Tentacled. . .
06:23.50WobWorkwell, you don't go to a mechanic and say "Well, the windscreen wipers are slow, but I'm sure it's something to do with the axle alignment!" =P
06:24.01Tentacledfor crying out loud...
06:24.26Tentacledokay, okay, I'll go with your example.
06:24.27ShefkiIf it's inaccurate elapsed time how would you know?
06:24.46ShadowedYou posted saying it was inaccurate and you used an example of rotation multiple times, not sure what else you expect except that will tell you a better solution :P
06:25.21ShefkiAs I recall GetTime() is actually not super fast.
06:25.35TentacledAnswer me the above, please. If elapsed values are reasonably accurate, should incrementing rotation angle, each frame, by a value proportional to the elapsed time, result in more or less smooth rotation?
06:25.48ShefkiNo
06:26.00TentacledHow so?
06:26.02ShefkiBecause you're not updating in a uniform timing.
06:26.08ShefkiIt's going to look weird.
06:26.14TentacledIt is.
06:26.43TentacledBut the point is that if I have 100fps it's going to increment in 0.01 values per second, right? More or less?
06:27.02ShefkiYou're assuming the frame rate is stead.
06:27.04Shefkisteady
06:27.05ShefkiIt's not.
06:27.16TentacledI'm not a moron, please.
06:27.43TentacledAS LONG as the framerate is 100fps, I get updates in 0.01 increments 100 times a second, accumulating to 1.00 over one second. Right?
06:27.50ShefkiSure.
06:28.15TentacledThe framerate varies, of course, but if with EACH update I accumulate the elapsed time into a counter, I should end up with ~1.00 in it each second. right?
06:28.32ShefkiRoughly yes.
06:28.49ShefkiAre you accounting for the fact that lua uses floats for all math, including integer math.
06:29.10TentacledYes, and hoping it's not cutting off at 2nd decimal point.
06:29.20Grumthe object will move a circle path but it might be noticable that it doesnt move smooth, a tiny rounding error can easily cause jumpiness
06:29.23Shefkilua> 0.1+0.1+0.1 == 0.3
06:29.25lua_botShefki: false
06:29.48TentacledSo, if that counter is tied to a texture rotation, it should rotate smoothly or jumpily but at a semi-steady 1 rotation per second (ignore radians please). Right?
06:30.27Grumlua> epsilon = 0.0001; 0.1+0.1+0.1 - 0.3 < epsilon
06:30.27lua_botGrum: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '0.1'
06:30.30TentacledBut what it most definitely should NOT be doing, is going from slow smooth movement to fast smooth movement.
06:30.36Grumoh
06:30.36TentacledWhich it IS, apparently.
06:30.38Grumamazed =)
06:30.48Grumlua> epsilon = 0.0001; (0.1+0.1+0.1 - 0.3) < epsilon
06:30.48lua_botGrum: luabot:1: syntax error near '<'
06:30.52ShadowedAre you alt tabbing out when you see it go from slow -> fast Tentacled
06:30.55Tentacledno.
06:30.56Grumoh meh stupid lua ;D
06:31.17Shefkilua> (0.1+0.1+0.1 - 0.3) < 0.0001
06:31.17lua_botShefki: true
06:31.38ShefkiDon't think lua bot can really deal with more than one statement.
06:31.48TentacledIt's right after a reloadui, so there's still stuff loading causing fps drops, BUT elapsed counters should properly correct for that.
06:32.05Grumlua> epsilon = 0.0001; print((0.1+0.1+0.1 - 0.3) < epsilon)
06:32.06lua_botGrum: true
06:32.17Grumit has special handling for a single statement :D
06:32.20ShefkiTentacled: It's possible the elapsed is the timing since the last frame not the last call to your particular OnUpdate.
06:32.27ShefkiI've never tested that though or really noticed it.
06:32.30orionshockok, while %.#f will fill in 0's behind the .
06:32.38orionshockwhat fills in 0's before the number?
06:32.49ShefkiI can tell you that we use something similar to what you're doing with the rotation to draw castbars.
06:32.49TentacledShefki: but theoretically that should be the exact same time, if my frame is always onscreen.
06:32.59TentacledIt's not flickering on and off.
06:33.06ShefkiAnd for casts at or lower than 0.25 seconds it looks like crap.
06:33.07Grum%x.y#f <-- x == total length
06:33.24TentacledAnd I'm definitely seeing speedups and slowdowns, while I should only be getting smoothups and jitterdowns.
06:34.08Shadowedlua> print("%2d", 5)
06:34.08lua_botShadowed: %2d, 5
06:34.15Shadowedlua> print(string.format("%2d", 5))
06:34.16lua_botShadowed:  5
06:34.24Shadowedmmm should be something like that
06:34.34orionshocklua> print( ("%2.0f"):format(2) )
06:34.34lua_botorionshock:  2
06:34.43orionshockgives the visable space but not 0
06:34.44Grumlua> print(string.format("%X5,2f", 1/3))
06:34.45lua_botGrum: 05,2f
06:34.50Grumlua> print(string.format("%5,2f", 1/3))
06:34.51lua_botGrum: luabot:1: invalid option '%,' to 'format'
06:34.56Grumoh fek
06:34.59Grumlua> print(string.format("%5.2f", 1/3))
06:35.00lua_botGrum:  0.33
06:35.43Grumlua> print(string.format("|%X6.2f|", 10+1/3))
06:35.44lua_botGrum: |A6.2f|
06:35.52Grumhmmm wrong filler char =)
06:35.56Grumlua> print(string.format("|%_6.2f|", 10+1/3))
06:35.57lua_botGrum: luabot:1: invalid option '%_' to 'format'
06:36.05Grumok lua sucks
06:36.30Tentacledlua> print (("%06.3f"):format(1/3))
06:36.30lua_botTentacled: 00.333
06:36.45Grumyeah it only handles certain chars, space/0 prolly
06:36.46ShefkiPretty sure the formats for lua's format are just the ones on the platforms sprintf but I could be wrong.
06:36.59Grumthought it would handle more than just that
06:37.30Grumclearly i'm wrong ;)
06:37.41orionshocklua> print( ("%02.f"):format("5") )
06:37.41lua_botorionshock: 05
06:37.48orionshockthanks Grum
06:38.15TentacledSo all in all, using GetTime() is probably bad overhead but a secondful of gettime deltas accumulates to a second - while a secondful of onupdate elapseds does not. Bleh.
06:38.25Grumlua> print( ("%02.f"):format("1/3") )
06:38.25lua_botGrum: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'format' (number expected, got string)
06:38.27PProvoststring.format (formatstring, ···)
06:38.28PProvostReturns a formatted version of its variable number of arguments following the description given in its first argument (which must be a string). The format string follows the same rules as the printf family of standard C functions. The only differences are that the options/modifiers *, l, L, n, p, and h are not supported and that there is an extra option, q. The q option formats a string in a form
06:38.31PProvostsuitable to be safely read back by the Lua interpreter: the string is written between double quotes, and all double quotes, newlines, embedded zeros, and backslashes in the string are correctly escaped when written.
06:38.33PProvostThere ya go
06:38.35PProvostfrom the docs
06:38.36Grumlua> print( ("%02.f"):format(1/3) )
06:38.37lua_botGrum: 00
06:38.58ShefkiHmm looks like they really have their own implementation of sprintf.
06:38.59Grumthe x.yf doesnt always do what you expect :D
06:39.21orionshockwell Grum 1/3 dosn't have a whole number on it, so returning 00 is normal
06:39.22Tentacledit's total.decimals, not wholes.decimals
06:39.53orionshocklua> print( ("%2.0f"):format("5") )
06:39.54lua_botorionshock:  5
06:40.00orionshocklua> print( ("%02.0f"):format("5") )
06:40.00lua_botorionshock: 05
06:40.05Shefkilua> format("%04.2f",1/3)
06:40.05orionshockgo figure
06:40.05lua_botShefki: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value)
06:40.13Shefkilua> string.format("%04.2f",1/3)
06:40.13lua_botShefki: 0.33
06:40.23Shefkilua> string.format("%03.2f",1/3)
06:40.24lua_botShefki: 0.33
06:40.42ShefkiDoesn't look like it's total.format unless total doesn't include the decimal
06:40.47Shefkilua> string.format("%02.2f",1/3)
06:40.48lua_botShefki: 0.33
06:40.59Shefkilua> string.format("%02.2f",4/3)
06:40.59lua_botShefki: 1.33
06:41.10Shefkilua> string.format("%02.2f",31/3)
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06:41.11lua_botShefki: 10.33
06:41.16Shefkilua> string.format("%01.2f",31/3)
06:41.17lua_botShefki: 10.33
06:41.21Tentacledlua> string.format("%08.4",1)
06:41.21lua_botTentacled: luabot:1: invalid option '%' to 'format'
06:41.24Tentacledlua> string.format("%08.4f",1)
06:41.25lua_botTentacled: 001.0000
06:41.33Tentacled8 chars, 4 decimals
06:41.45asmodaiMaybe a Lua version difference?
06:41.49orionshockinteresting
06:42.05Shefkilooks like it only uses the total to pad out to longer not shorten.
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06:42.17ShefkiWhich I guess makes sense.
06:42.37ShefkiNow that I think about it, that's really the only reason I've ever used the total field.
06:44.51Tentacledoh, and speaking of the animation system - I tried using it, and ended up writing custom <Animation> generic animations instead of <Rotate> etc., as those simply can't loop="bounce" smoothly... Get an animation that does scale-down and scale-up, and when the animation cycles the object appears grossly enlarged for one frame -_-
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07:27.35orionshock^^ for that commit to Dungeon speed runner, i had to reInvent the SecondsToTime function that blizzard has.
07:28.10orionshockfor the life of me i could not find a lua or blizzard function that would return a HH:MM:SS count of seconds.
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07:29.15Shefkiorionshock: I hate how Blizzard displays time.
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07:30.09orionshockwell the StT function is fine for displays, but for chat it is not viable w/o magic to resolve |4 strings
07:30.31Repo10grid2: 03jerry * r317 / (2 files in 2 directories): Update deDE. Thanks Vilogity
07:31.59ShefkiUgh I hate git sometimes.
07:32.26orionshocka complicated mistress indeed.
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07:32.52ShefkiI had to play around with reset --hard 3 times before I finally realized that --rebase was creating the extra revision I didn't want.
07:33.45orionshockim not entirely sure what rebase does tbh
07:34.04orionshocksomething about merging different dev lines togeather that conflict somewhere
07:34.14ShefkiPulls in changes from the remote and applies then so they exist in the stream of changes before your locally committed changes.
07:34.21ShefkiI.E. it rebases your local changes on the upstream changes.
07:34.29Repo10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * Beta4-13-g8bd383b / (2 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits]
07:34.31Repo8bd383b: Use the correct syntax for CSV format.
07:34.32Repo1fa4659: Modified L["SCAN_COMPANIONS_DESC"]
07:34.42ShefkiIf you have no local changes it should usually just do a fast forward.
07:34.51ShefkiBut for whatever reason this one committ it wasn't fast forwarding.
07:35.08orionshocku fix it?
07:35.35ShefkiYup, I just did a plain git pull instead of my normal git pull --rebase origin master.
07:36.10orionshockpersonally i would have said "fk it" and ghetto merged it
07:36.37WobWorkorionshock: is that where you take a brick and use it to hammer the change in?
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07:37.36orionshockthat's where you pull out the broken pieces from the rebase & do the FF, then add them back in as brand new commits
07:38.02orionshockWobWork, but yes, brick and hammer solution that is ugly and people usually frown on
07:38.21ShefkiI hate having unnecessary merge commits.
07:38.28ShefkiMakes the commit stuff look like crap.
07:39.01ShefkiWe were just using git pull and ignoring it until Arrowmaster or someone bitched at us about how stupid it looked.
07:39.05orionshockwell chit happens, so a few of them are ok.
07:40.22Arrowmasterit was more than a few when they were doing it
07:40.44Arrowmasterevery push had a merge in it because one would push then the other would push
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08:33.41asmodaiSeems a lot of fake clients are sending ctcp version requests to connected clients
08:33.46asmodaicausing excess floods
08:37.28Myrroddinahhh at least i learned something about nickserv
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08:38.39ShefkiAnyone around with a PTR combat log for Blood-Queen Lana'thel from 25 man?
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08:53.58ShefkiWho the heck is the HealBot author?
08:54.03ShefkiAnd do they get on here?
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08:56.00jnwhitehShefki: no
08:56.02jnwhitehthey don't.
08:56.15ShefkiI cry everytime I close a ticket like this: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/683-unit-frames/
08:56.36jnwhitehyeah =(
08:56.53jnwhitehi'm glad i'm out of the unit frame business
08:56.58evldefault ftw!
08:57.08jnwhitehyou have to use non-default if you're a healer
08:57.15jnwhitehor you're crippled to shit
08:57.18Shefkijnwhiteh: I thought you did perfect raid?
08:57.25jnwhitehShefki: ssssh..
08:57.29jnwhitehsomeone will hear you
08:58.21Kuositried healing one raid with default raid frames on my druid
08:58.31Kuosiman did I soon want to kill myself
08:58.34jnwhitehyep
08:58.53profalbertIt's shit even in 5-man
08:59.07profalbertTried that once in LK-beta
08:59.45ShefkiAnyone have any experience trying to talk to the HealBot guy to get him to change something?
08:59.50ShefkiOr would I be wasting my time?
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09:00.04Kuosibeen sporting grid since naxx40 times
09:00.05Kuosipretty hard to go w/o
09:00.12jnwhitehouf_freebgrid imo
09:00.25profalbertShefki: Arrowmaster had some "success"
09:00.35Kuosidont see the gain on freebgrid over grid :(
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09:00.56ShefkiBecasue I'd really like to get him to stop showing frames on every zone change that he didn't hide.
09:01.22Arrowmasterby success he means i told him 'remove sharedmedia from your addon or i will make sure it is deleted from curse and wowinterface'
09:01.28Kuosigrid hogs some memory with plugins but well that doesnt actually mean anything
09:01.44Kuosigreebgrid pretty much has the same cpu usage aswel
09:01.54ShefkiArrowmaster: You make me weep.
09:02.06Arrowmasterwhy?
09:02.43jnwhitehKuosi: freebgrid is perfect out of the box, no configuration.
09:03.06jnwhitehdont need to download 17,00 fucking plugins and spend an hour configuring it.
09:03.22jnwhitehi have always hated addons with excessive configuration
09:03.41ShefkiArrowmaster: You give me no hope. :(
09:04.34Kuosijnwhiteh: ye well try that on druid :o
09:04.38jnwhitehI am
09:04.40jnwhiteha druid
09:04.49jnwhitehsmartass =)
09:04.54jnwhitehwhat does it give you?
09:05.05Kuosihow can you live w/o cornertext :(
09:05.15jnwhitehand what do I need that for?
09:05.16jnwhitehto display what?
09:05.42TorhalShefki: The HealBot author basically told Shadowed and Arrowmaster to go fuck themselves (moreso toward Shadow), and then I denied a file update for HealBot and sent him a message stating that there were copyright issues.
09:05.57Kuosiwhen you need to keep half of the raid with reju up
09:06.12jnwhitehthere is a rejuv indicator.. the clearest one, actually.
09:06.13Kuosiknowing the duration exactly comes quite helpful
09:06.15jnwhitehyes
09:06.17TorhalSo his next update didn't contain SharedMedia, but he's still being an ass about LHC-4
09:06.17jnwhitehand its displayed
09:06.23jnwhitehin the center, the only number displayed actually
09:06.24jnwhitehso try again?
09:06.33jnwhiteh;-)
09:06.34Arrowmasteri sent him a message using curses message system, i dont know if he didnt see it or just ignored it
09:06.41Kuosihum it must have changed since the last time i tried that
09:06.50jnwhitehlike I said, 0 configuration.
09:06.59jnwhitehpets, vehicles, everything
09:07.42orionshocki healed MC back in the day on my druid with default.. it's not really that bad.. once you figure out how blizzard lines up their options about various things
09:08.08orionshockbut still sucked in comparison to a real raid frames grid style..
09:08.19jnwhitehorionshock: back then all you needed to know if someone had luci's curse on them =)
09:08.34orionshockhehe.. this is true
09:08.35jnwhitehor that's a magic debuff, isn't it
09:08.43jnwhitehno, it is a curse
09:08.45jnwhitehI cured it yesterday :P
09:08.45orionshockit was a curse
09:08.55jnwhitehand nub-tacularly forgot to cure myself first =)
09:09.06jnwhitehluckily I'm 80
09:09.06Kuosioh and does freebgrid support quickhealth
09:09.12jnwhitehKuosi: dunno
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09:09.29Kuosieven tho ppl claim it shouldnt be needed
09:09.37jnwhitehI don't find myself needing it
09:09.42jnwhitehbut i'm not in hardcore dungeons
09:09.43orionshockanyone know if recount can show me dmg inc - heals inc over a 3 sec gap?
09:09.47Kuosibut have grid up with the lib enabled and blizz frame next to it
09:09.52Kuosithe difference is there
09:10.10jnwhitehKuosi: yeah
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09:10.34Kuosibut yes it's not exactly something you cant live w/o
09:10.45jnwhitehprobably trivial to add
09:10.58jnwhitehhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13857-oUF_QuickHealth2.html
09:11.00jnwhitehfor example.
09:11.28Kuosiit makes following tank hp @ festergut on 3 inhales intresting to follow
09:11.32jnwhitehlast update aug-12
09:11.39jnwhitehhas QH been updated since then?
09:11.48Kuosigrid qh is ancient
09:12.46Kuosimost likely from 2008 even
09:13.38ShefkiKuosi: Blizzard frames don't use their own predictedHealth feature except on player and pet frames.
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09:13.48Kuosihttp://www.wowace.com/addons/project-14141/
09:14.01Kuosiso ye
09:14.02Kuosi2008
09:14.32ShefkiThe problem with QuickHealth is sometimes it's wrong.
09:19.36Repo10big-wigs: 03s8095324 * r7048 Northrend/Locales/zhTW.lua: zhTW update
09:20.13Kuosiapparently quickhealth is also spamming some ppl errors with latest grid
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09:21.09Arrowmasteri didnt think quickhealth and grid ever worked well together
09:21.44Arrowmasterpeople always kept saying that when using grid and pitbull or some other unitframe for their party frames that grid was updating slower than the unitframe
09:21.49Arrowmasterpartyframe
09:22.52KuosiI seem to get same response on party frames(suf with quick check enabled) and grid with quickhealth atm
09:29.33quiescensthere should be a list of previous logins on the account management page, with failed logins too
09:29.37quiescensjust for the sake of it
09:29.37quiescensnodnod
09:34.06Torhalquiescens: HACK ATTEMPT,
09:34.08Torhal:D
09:34.39quiescenso.O
09:35.37Megalonjust like starcraft has it
09:35.46Megalonfailed login attempts: x
09:35.50Megalonwhen joining b.net x
09:35.52Megalon:x
09:36.19quiescensits a fairly common thingy
09:37.17Repo10links: 03jerry * r113 Links.lua: Fix a call to a removed function.
09:39.25Kuosibnet in gneral
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09:54.00TNSelol
09:54.07TNSe"YOUR FIRST PRIORITY SHOULD BE TO FIX WARLOCKS IN RAWR!"
09:54.15TNSeyes, thats the kind of people we want to cater.
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10:04.19Fiskerwhy so rawr TNSe ?
10:04.29Fiskerare you scared and need teh huggles?
10:04.59TNSePermascared
10:05.10TNSeBush has been in control of the world for nearly 16 years
10:05.13TNSewhy aren't you scared
10:05.32Kalrothbut the bush!
10:06.05Fiskerso you develop on rawr TNSe?
10:06.12TNSeyes
10:10.06TNSePeople can be so mean sometimes, and thats not even the average most of the time.
10:10.09TNSeDID YUO SEE WHAT I DID THERE??!
10:11.51olafskianyone here use SUF with the 5 second rule module? it used to work for me but I can't find the options for it anymore :<
10:21.22SunTsuI'd like to see less crashes with mono on FreeBSD and Linux
10:22.05Arrowmasteri'd like to see less usage of mono
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10:23.19winkillerhater :>
10:24.20asmodaiC# ain't necessarily bad. Prefer it over C++ for sure.
10:25.11Arrowmasterits bad if theres no proper way to use it on anything except windows
10:26.13TorhalTNSe: It's just a hand in the Bush.
10:27.09Repo10aat: 03angelike * r2 / (24 files in 3 directories): initial commit
10:35.20Repo10libsnowflake-3-0 (experimental): 03Grayal * r26 Snowflake-3.0/Snowflake-3.0.lua: first version
10:38.55Repo10libsnowflake-3-0 (experimental): 03Grayal * r27 Snowflake-3.0/Snowflake-3.0.lua: first version
10:39.16winkillerArrowmaster: seen enough linux apps with mono that work
10:39.38Arrowmastermono shouldnt have to exist though
10:39.45winkillerI'm not a huge fan of net/java for this either
10:39.49winkillerI like native apps
10:40.11winkillermhm, can't login to eu
10:40.18TorhalI'm drafting a "Changes required" reason for LibSnowflake-3.0
10:40.45TorhalI'm getting tired of seeing "first version" as a commit message
10:43.31TorhalOk - here it is: You are improperly using Subversion on a developer-oriented community site, which is causing repetitious broadcasts of the same message. Every revision broadcast to the IRC channel is of this format:
10:43.59TorhalI then inform him that he can actually post the changes to the commit message, or he can turn off IRC reporting, or he can request to be moved to CurseForge.
10:44.50TorhalArrowmaster: Any additions/addendums/amendments?
10:45.04Arrowmasterlooks fine
10:45.21TorhalSent.
10:46.16TorhalAll this because of beer.
10:46.20Kalrothcan you have projects with non-PG names?
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10:46.29TorhalI wish LordFarlander would make a commit so I could do another.
10:46.47TorhalKalroth: The closest would be Shadowed's projects: Damned*
10:46.59WobinTorhal, why are you waiting?
10:47.01TorhalErr...Damn*
10:47.31TorhalWobin: Because his commits aren't all the same commit message - they actually have meat to them. Also: He didn't do one whilst I was intoxicated.
10:47.53TorhalMostly, though, they're amusing due to the commentary
10:48.42ArrowmasterKalroth: if you make a project with a non-PG name and i like the name ill approve it if you ask, although i cant promise somebody else wont unapprove it
10:48.55TorhalFrak
10:48.59Kalrothhrmf
10:49.10Torhal45 minutes until Dexter s04e10 is finished. I already have 11 and 12
10:49.25Arrowmasterseason ending is bad
10:49.28Arrowmasterso bad
10:49.35Arrowmasterfucking cliffhangers
10:50.05TorhalArrowmaster: I know, unfortunately. I have the dishonor of working for Walmart and the bad luck of looking to TV Guide Magazine when I have nothing to do.
10:50.11TorhalThey're TERRIBLE for spoiler alerts
10:50.31Arrowmasteroh so you already know who dies at the very end
10:50.39TorhalUnfortunately.
10:51.10TorhalAnd a guy at work who actually got me interested in watching the series spoiled the whole fucking season 1.
10:51.19Arrowmasterlol
10:52.01TorhalAnd, if not for TV Guide Magazine, he would have spoiled the end of season 4.
10:53.35TorhalArrowmaster: I know you don't have an active account, but could you look at LibTourist and tell me why Auchindoun exists as its own zone, yet Scarlet Monastery (and other complexes) do not?
10:53.57Arrowmasterpurely for the worldmap mouseover
10:54.08SunTsuDexter is the first case where I liked the screen adaption more than the books that inspired it
10:54.27TorhalSunTsu: Then I'm assuming you haven't seen True Blood?
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10:56.14Arrowmasterthat reminds me, there supposed to be some new roman times show coming out on one of the cable networks that i saw a trailer for while at the movies on sunday
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10:56.58Fiskerhttp://i49.tinypic.com/rj32w2.png
10:57.31Arrowmasteryou have a weird ssid
10:57.57Fiskerit's the super adventure club!
10:59.14winkillerFisker: are you telling people that putting a .wav into a sound folder against the ToS? :P
10:59.30Fiskerit is
10:59.36Arrowmasterwell im going to try and finish the last few episodes of an anime that turned mostly into fanservice fluff but i still find funny
10:59.48winkillerI don't believe you :<
11:03.25SunTsuTorhal: I've seen the first season and am half way through the second one - but I haven't read the Books yet
11:04.00TorhalArrowmaster: Spartacus
11:04.08Arrowmasteryes thats it
11:04.10TorhalArrowmaster: It's on the Starz network.
11:04.15Arrowmasterthe trailer looked cool
11:04.30Torhalhas extreme bloody violence, nudity, dunno about the acting yet though.
11:05.05Arrowmasterim sold on it with just the first too if theyre in good amounts, unless the acting and plot is too horrible bad
11:05.38TorhalArrowmaster: Has Lucy Lawless in it for a few episodes, though I think that's mostly due to the fact that her husband is a producer.
11:06.02TorhalI watched about 2 minutes of the first episode - effects and camera work looked great.
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11:06.19Arrowmasterits aired?
11:06.25Fiskereven frivolous shit like changing the login screen to blank wasn't allowed winkiller
11:06.25TorhalI have a screener
11:06.47winkiller'tis mot modifying
11:07.11winkillertheir fault if they read their Data folder over the MPQs
11:07.21Fiskerbe that as it may
11:07.27Fiskerit was still not allowed and got fixed eventually
11:07.31Fiskerthey probably won't ban you for it
11:07.39winkillerthey can't
11:07.47Fiskeractually they can
11:07.55TorhalArrowmaster: Up for a DCC?
11:07.56winkillerwell they can ban you for not loggin in daily
11:08.00Fiskeryes
11:08.01winkillerso, yes they can
11:08.06Arrowmasterof the screener?
11:08.09winkillerthey just can't prove it :)
11:08.12TorhalAye. First two eps
11:08.14winkillerbut they don't need proof
11:08.21Arrowmastersure
11:08.28Fiskerthey can prove it
11:08.39Fiskerthat's why i'm telling you they can ban for it
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11:09.58TorhalArrowmaster: Anything?
11:10.05Arrowmasternope
11:10.08TorhalShit
11:12.50quiescenswho says they need proof of anything to ban people
11:12.51quiescenslol
11:13.11Fiskertrue quiescens
11:13.26FiskerBut Warden have supported consistency checks for ages now
11:13.35Fiskerpre-WoW infact
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11:15.38ArrowmasterTorhal: just give up, you wont get it working unless you forward ports on your router
11:15.58TorhalArrowmaster: Meh
11:16.08Arrowmasterbut ive got the filename now
11:16.16TorhalGood deal
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11:17.19TorhalI need to just buckle down and install Tomato
11:17.30Arrowmasteryes you do
11:17.35TorhalI fucking HATE WTR54-G
11:17.37Arrowmasterand i need to upgrade mine sometime
11:18.14TorhalI'll never understand why the popular commercial solutions always suck.
11:18.29Arrowmasterbecause they are cheap
11:19.02TorhalAnd cheap always equals "no pride in workmanship"?
11:19.05TorhalBah
11:19.12TorhalSometimes I wish I lived in the 1800's
11:19.15Torhal:D
11:19.17TorhalNOT
11:19.21Arrowmastermost the 802.11g routers have 2mb chips in them now so you cant even flash a decent alternative on them
11:19.35SunTsuthat reminds me to see how OpenWRT's development for my WRT610N is going now
11:19.44TorhalI actually have to look at my serial number to see if it's possible with the one I have now
11:19.58TorhalI bought it in '06, so I hope it's capable
11:20.05Arrowmasterthe 802.11n routers require a lot more power so theyve actually got 8mb chips
11:20.25Arrowmasterand processors a lot faster
11:20.33yoshimomy provider ships avm fritzboxes, ive no idea if openwrt works there, my old wrt54g was working flawlessly
11:20.58Arrowmasterwrt54g is good unless you need more power
11:21.12TorhalThe firmware is ass
11:21.19TorhalAnd it only got worse with the later models
11:21.35TorhalMy GF's father has an older, non-wireless model that has a better OS
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11:21.39Arrowmasteri dont think the hardware can handle much more than 40mbit for the wan port
11:22.39SunTsuArrowmaster: my router has got 8 MB of flash and an USB port where you easily can attach mass storage to your liking
11:23.25SunTsulots of current WLAN routers have
11:23.33Arrowmasteryeah youve got the top of the line linksys 802.11n router
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11:27.32yoshimolinksys, avm, what company sells good quality for households?
11:27.51SunTsuArrowmaster: yeah, flash size was one of my main criteria when my old WRT54G deceased. It had 4 MBs ob flash, which was a royal pita
11:29.04Arrowmasterlinksys switched to a vxworks os and reduced the size to 2mb on all their g routers so they were useless for good alt firmware, lots of other brands are the same
11:29.33Arrowmasteror they have shit that just cant be flashed because its so ass backwards
11:30.08Arrowmastermy neighbors have a belkin router that the config urls end in .exe so it makes me wonder about that thing
11:30.42Fiskeryeah fuck them :(
11:30.55Fiskergot the version 1.5 of their cheapass router
11:30.55TorhalFisker: I blame you, unequivocably.
11:31.12Fiskerwhich has a chip that dd-wrt can't support due to the 2MB flash :(
11:31.14Arrowmastergrr i have so many fucking pens but none of them work
11:31.37Arrowmastertheres a 2mb version of dd-wrt, but its got less features
11:31.38Fiskernot that big of a deal since i don't intend on using it for much but still annoying
11:33.17Arrowmasteri almost built my own 802.11n router when i found hardware with two mini-pci slots and a built in switch
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11:39.22evlAnyway to avoid processing CHAT_MSG_ADDON messages?
11:39.38evlI have several/tons of guildies that keep spamming Cartographer etc.
11:40.38[Ammo]don't register for the event
11:40.40TorhalArrowmaster: If you haven't found it yet, it's on bt-chat
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11:53.45Megalonhttp://www.gregpalast.com/the-right-testicle-of-hell-history-of-a-haitian-holocaust/
11:54.00Megalonhrhr, the u.s. clearly know how to help in a fast way :7
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12:01.42asmodaiMegalon: I'm surprised by Iceland
12:02.12asmodaiThen again, back with one of those typhoons in Taiwan the buddhist relief centers were already helping people before official help arrived
12:02.37asmodaiBut funny point about the marines.
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12:32.36[SW]Dodgesomeone has a nice code snippit to let the lfg tool minimap button open its menü to the right not to the left? :X :D
12:42.08evlAnyone know of any addons that tracks the cash flow of a character and/or account? i'dlike to see how much I've profited in total
12:42.59[Ammo]evl: if you're interested in the current session: moneytrail
12:43.18evlYeah I found that as soon as I started looking but I'm looking for a long term trail
12:43.31[Ammo]feel free to hack it :p
12:43.32[Ammo]shrug
12:43.49[Ammo]I am usually not interested in the long term effects :)
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12:44.41KalrothI'm using some fubar addon, evl
12:44.57KalrothI don't recall the name, money or gold something I think :p
12:45.21Kalrothit tracks per character, per day, per session and overall
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12:59.21asmodaihttp://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/jinexile/social_order_venn.png
13:00.38yoshimo@describe FuBar_MoneyFu
13:00.40Repoyoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/fubar_moneyfu/. FuBar_MoneyFu. Keeps track of current money and all your characters on one realm.
13:01.01Kalroth^
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13:11.05olafskihealers say 123!!
13:12.37asmodaio_O
13:12.41pentium166x_x
13:13.14olafskigood sign that a pug might fail ,)
13:16.30asmodaiahahaha
13:17.27pentium166I was in the best pug ever the other day, in TOC 25. I joined at faction champs, we downed them and twin valkyrs and wiped a couple times at anub'arak
13:18.11pentium166So people start leaving, then someone gets the bright idea to recruit more people and wait until they get summoned and saved before letting the raid fall apart
13:20.03winkillerthat's the usual case
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13:29.33yoshimopeople always leave if the boss becomes more difficult ;)
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13:40.43Repo10fu-bar_addon-spam-fu: 03yoshimo * r115 AddonSpamFu.lua: Added:
13:40.45Repo- DBM3 Arathimodule (still in use ...)
13:40.46Repo- Ghost: Recon
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13:47.19mitch0does AceDB3 store false as nil?
13:49.42olafskiwow that was the last time I'm pugging the weekly raid quest on 25man :P
13:51.51SunTsuI hope my new board + cpu + ram arrive finally, so I can start doing 25man instances again
13:53.26olafski:>
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13:55.52evl[Ammo]: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/auditor/
14:01.13Torhalyoshimo: You need to LDb-ify that, soon.
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14:06.39yoshimowork in progress, although i must admit that it might be slow. Ive never coded an entire addon in lua  before
14:07.45asmodaihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asBTY34YMp4&hd=1 <-- awesome
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14:16.08Torhalyoshimo: If you'd like, I could do it. There certainly is enough demand.
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14:17.56yoshimoPneumatus also wanted to do it, but this addon pays my wow gamecards^^
14:19.56rbarreirosany of u guys knows an addon like PriorityQueue that works in 3.3 ?
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14:21.21yoshimothat shows a button with the ability you should do next to maximise your dps, doesnt it?
14:23.07Torhalyoshimo: I'm not asking for a cut. I'm asking if you want me to make the old lass into a fair maiden.
14:23.51TorhalI code. For what is mine, I get a cut. Otherwise, I'm simply doing what I do.
14:24.40rbarreirosyoshimo, yes
14:25.32yoshimoclret for paladin comes to my mind and i think there was one for shammies as well
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14:26.38rbarreirosI saw some movies with some ppl using addons like that but I couldn't identify them
14:26.43rbarreiroslet me see if I can find one
14:27.17pentium166enhancement has shock and awe, i believe moonkin has something similar called squawk and awe, there's a feral one that might be out of date
14:27.26SunTsurbarreiros: FaceRoller?
14:28.12yoshimoshock and awe, yes thats what i was thinking off
14:28.21Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r127 / (4 files in 3 directories): allow text/value/suffix selection [ticket-7]
14:28.32SunTsuhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14924-Faceroller.html
14:29.59rbarreirosdon't think that' s the one i saw in a youtube
14:30.25SunTsumaybe EventHorizon?
14:30.39cav3manhi, was wondering if there is a way to work on your UI while wow is on maintenance
14:30.47rbarreiroshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UGqHjztD0g&feature=player_embedded
14:30.51rbarreirosis that priorityqueue ?
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14:31.35rbarreiroscav3man, don't think so
14:32.29SunTsurbarreiros: are you sure it's not a cd monitor like sexycooldowns?
14:32.41cav3mancan anyone suggest a good all-in-one UI addon/package?
14:33.11Torhalmitch0: FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
14:33.16XtekMorning
14:33.19mitch0torhal: ?
14:33.26rbarreirosSunTsu, no idea man, it's why i'm asking, I thought it would be something like priorityqueue but I might be wrong
14:33.56Torhalmitch0: Were those changes based on a ticket by orionshock, or was that coincidence?
14:34.09SunTsu@describe sexycooldowns
14:34.10RepoSunTsu: No project found that matches 'sexycooldowns'
14:34.11mitch0torhal: reading commit notes ftw
14:34.13SunTsu@describe sexycooldown
14:34.14RepoSunTsu: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. A sexy logarithmic cooldown bar
14:34.19cav3manis there a way to edit my bartender UI's settings offline?
14:34.20rbarreirosaye on it
14:34.46mitch0torhal: in other words, yes, it's ticket-7 by orionshock :)
14:34.51Torhalmitch0: Damn you. Now I have to dig shit up on a web page
14:34.53rbarreiroscav3man, on the lua file but that would mean you would now all the config settings and values
14:34.57Torhalmitch0: Ah, danke
14:35.09mitch0@tickets bazooka
14:35.14rbarreiroscav3man, i mean on the bartender savedvariables
14:35.18mitch0@ticket bazooka
14:35.20Repomitch0: (ticket <project> <ticket-num> or <game>/<project> <ticket-num>) -- Returns details about the ticket
14:35.32mitch0@ticket bazooka 7
14:35.34Repomitch0: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bazooka/tickets/7 - LDB's Text Fields. Reported by: OrionShock. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 6 minutes ago. Status: Started. Priority: Medium. Assignee: mitch0. Votes: 0. Comments: 1
14:35.53Torhalmitch0: He was complaining quite loudly about the LDBb specs and completely neglecting the role the displays played in it until I mentioned that instead of complaining that he might want to start filing tickets
14:36.33mitch0well, his ticket is not quite right in its original form, but I did the sensible thing :P
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14:37.17mitch0but it's all drycode, so might be horrible broken
14:37.45Torhalmitch0: Good deal. I ignore everything but "text" and "label" due to the fact that the other values aren' quite standard, but he's a bit epileptic about them and decided to attack LDB itself instead of the actual social issue.
14:38.17mitch0in my reading all of them are well defined, but meh
14:38.25mitch0(that is, .label, .text, .value and .suffix)
14:38.40Torhalmitch0: Aye, but as far as I know, value and suffix were added for SBC
14:38.55mitch0so? they're still well defined
14:39.04TorhalAnd apparently Chocolatebar treats label AS text
14:39.15mitch0well, that's obviously stupid
14:39.19TorhalWhich is retardiculous
14:39.22TorhalAye
14:39.48mitch0prior to this ticket bazooka used .text if present and .value + .suffix otherwise (if both were present)
14:40.11TorhalHowever, he had an issue with how YOU were treating "the standard", so I told him to file a ticket rather than starting LibDataBroker-3.0
14:40.14mitch0now you can choose to force using .value [ + .suffix] if that's what makes you happy
14:40.30TorhalErm, 2.0
14:40.39mitch0have any logs of his complaints?
14:41.04mitch0I think I followed the spec quite well... (apart from insisting on .suffix if .value was set)
14:41.15TorhalUnfortunately, my client only goes to 9999 lines. Otherwise, it's the best client I've come across.
14:41.49mitch0alrighty, I'll ask him when he happens by
14:42.22Torhalmitch0: Be prepared for seizures. He isn't wholly unreasonable, though.
14:42.39mitch0well, his ticket is semi-unreasonable
14:42.50TorhalAs I said: "wholly"
14:43.33mitch0he wants to either use .text OR (.label Å| .value | .suffix)
14:43.37TorhalI chalk it up to skimming.
14:44.03mitch0but .label _must_ be optional in either the .text or the .value case IMO
14:44.27TorhalFrom what I gathered, he thinks the presence of value and/of suffix should supercede text
14:44.41Torhals/of/or/
14:44.51TorhalFuck you, purl
14:45.05mitch0well, it's not how I do it, but he _can_ set his plugins up that way
14:45.26Torhalmitch0: He can, depending on the display AddOn
14:45.29mitch0I see he'll want a "prefer .value" setting...
14:45.52Torhalmitch0: Fuck what he wants. Logic wins.
14:46.35mitch0yeah, he can just set all plugins to display .value, and then set the ones to use .text that didn't display anything that way
14:47.07Fiskeryou mean a twitter user?
14:47.24TorhalFisker: You're damn right!
14:52.29mitch0hohum, actually reversing the .text / .value priorities would make _some_ sense
14:52.51yoshimoif i have 2 kinds of mobs in an area, a &b, but only b drops the recipe i want, will b respawn faster if i kill a too, or is that useless?
14:53.07mitch0yoshimo: depends
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14:53.54mitch0there are places where they spawn "intermixed",  that is, you kill 'a' and a 'b' might spawn in its place. some places only killing 'b' will spawn new 'b'
14:54.40yoshimoRecipe: Mighty Nature Protection Potion drops only of cult alchemists, but there are far more apothecaries in the area
14:55.08mitch0try killing only those and see if any (new) alchemists spawn or not
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14:55.24mitch0if not, then killing them is useless (obviously)
14:55.45mitch0but you might as well kill them to pass time while the others spawns *shrug*
14:56.01krkait sucks when there are two mobs A and B on the same spawn pattern, where only A drops useful stuff
14:56.08krkaafter a while it's only full of B
14:56.29krkalike the spiders and bears in western plaguelands
14:57.36mitch0torhal: do you use bazooka?
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14:59.29yoshimomitch, i think if you kill alchemists apothecaries can spawn or alchemists, and if you kill an apothecary you will get another one. looks kinda strange
15:02.01mitch0yeah, probably higher chance for "junk" to spawn
15:02.57yoshimodoesn't matter i got it after 30m ;)
15:03.35Torhalmitch0: I thought you knew I did
15:03.50Torhalmitch0: Or, rather, do
15:03.53mitch0well, I thought you did, but ppl change addons from time to time :)
15:04.00TorhalAye
15:04.43mitch0so, if I changed the way I prefer .text over .value, it'll make it a bit easier to "always use .value / .suffix if provided"
15:04.55Torhalyoshimo: Look at Collectinator. Tel me if you have issues with it
15:05.08mitch0but, in general it'll be one extra if branch to evaluate (as most plugins only provide .text)
15:05.19mitch0torhal: ^ what would you do? :)
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15:05.31Torhalmitch0: That makes no sense to me since I ignore everything but text and label
15:05.51yoshimoarl atleast is working fine here torhal
15:05.57mitch0what makes sense? to prefer .text? or to prefer .value if present?
15:06.02Torhalmitch0: The reason for that is the reason orionshock has seizures.
15:06.20TorhalFor "data source", text is REQUIRED
15:06.25mitch0indeed
15:06.40TorhalAs far as the spec is concerned, nothing else even has to exist
15:07.17TorhalEven "label" can be undefinedm becasue the display should use GetAddonMetadata() for its name
15:08.02TorhalAnd I may have completely made up that name because I don't know it offhand
15:08.25mitch0my only issue with prefering .text is that there is no easy way to find out if a given plugin provides .value or not (apart from trial-error)
15:09.25TorhalRaw value from the text, for example text "75.0 FPS" would have value "75.0"
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15:09.56TorhalThat tells me this: if "text" is "FPS" and "value" is non-nil...
15:10.44TorhalAlways prefer text. If value AND text exist, text is suffix...which, in my opinion, is retarded.
15:10.53mitch0nonono
15:11.15mitch0in the above example: .text="75.0 FPS", .value="75.0", .suffix="FPS"
15:11.23mitch0if not, then the plugin is broken
15:11.37TorhalThen what the fuck is the sense of HAVING text?
15:11.44TorhalSeriously.
15:11.47TorhalSomething is wrong.
15:11.50mitch0it's a preformatted value + suffix
15:11.56TorhalBut this IS a wiki.
15:12.02mitch0wookie?
15:12.05mitch0where?
15:12.45TorhalYes. BUT - if text COVERS the reason fox having value and suffix...why the fuck have all three? ESPECIALLY since "text" is MANDATED?
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15:12.55Torhals/fox/for/
15:12.57yoshimoTorhal ,if collectinator shows "Missing name: quest  questid", that doesnt matter, does it?
15:12.57mitch0.text was first
15:13.01TorhalYES
15:13.08TorhalThe rest was tacked on
15:13.20mitch0then (presumably) someone wanted .text without suffix
15:13.26mitch0hence .value and .suffix was born
15:13.32mitch0(at least that's my opinion)
15:13.32Gnarfozwhich makes more sense anyway
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15:13.56Kalrothwe should add .hastext and .prefix too imo
15:13.57mitch0gnarfoz: what conversation are you a part of? :)
15:14.08Gnarfozall of them
15:14.10Gnarfoz:>
15:14.11mitch0:)
15:14.13TorhalI do NOT see any reason for value, especially since suffix was borne from the same "need", which was StatBlockCore
15:14.36Funkeh`text was value
15:14.38TorhalAs far as I can determine, "value" IS "text"
15:14.40Funkeh`and suffix was suffix
15:14.45Funkeh`but people started butchering text
15:14.57Funkeh`and dding suffix directly into text
15:14.59TorhalFunkeh`: Then they should be summarily slaughtered.
15:15.01Funkeh`hence why value was born
15:15.09Funkeh`well, long time ago now
15:15.30jnwhitehI know I'm coming to this late, but I completely ignore .value and .suffix
15:15.32mitch0funkeh: uh. by that logic .suffix should be used after .text, too?
15:15.35jnwhitehat the moment.
15:15.41Kalrothwell 'value' is for calculation, 'text' is for display or?
15:15.46jnwhiteh.text is the text to be displayed
15:16.11jnwhitehand as far as I was concerned, .value was a numeric value and .suffix was something for a custom display that wanted to be (independently) aware of the suffix
15:16.16Funkeh`.text was made with plugins before any plugin needed a suffix
15:16.18Funkeh`i created suffix
15:16.21Funkeh`for those plugins
15:16.23jnwhiteh*nod*
15:16.24jnwhitehsure
15:16.25Torhaljnwhiteh: Due to ambiguity, I ignore everything but text and label, and label CAN be ignored unless you want specific control over the plugin's name
15:16.28Funkeh`then people started adding suffix to text
15:16.51Funkeh`I don't care now, I use both, depending on what the plugin chooses
15:17.23mitch0funkeh: you do .text + .suffix? or just .text OR .value + .suffix?
15:17.39Kalroththe latter seems to make most sense
15:17.42jnwhitehI would do .text OR .value + .suffix, but in reality I would never do the latter.
15:17.47Funkeh`value and suffix if they are provided, with a text fallback
15:18.11jnwhitehbut I'm a weird one
15:18.17Kalrothjnwhiteh: no comment!
15:18.24jnwhitehMore that I'm particular
15:18.30mitch0nah, you're just lazy^H^H^H^H minimailistic :)
15:18.39KalrothAre you .. fisker weird?!
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15:18.46TorhalI think Tekkub was correct in his latest post to the LDB forum: He made a mistake in making the spec a wiki,.
15:19.00jnwhitehmy minimalism has nothing to do with being lazy
15:19.09TorhalI'm only surprised it didn't balloon further than it did.
15:19.11mitch0hence the smiley
15:19.13Kalrothjnwhiteh: optimal and efficient
15:19.16jnwhiteh=)
15:19.30jnwhitehjust the way I see it, if a plugin provides 'text', that is the text to be displayed.
15:19.39Torhaljnwhiteh: EXACTLY
15:19.45jnwhitehincluding the 'suffix' if we're calling it that
15:19.49mitch0but if it doesn't provide .text, it's BROKEN per spec :)
15:19.52Kalrothick what
15:20.00Funkeh`Yes ofc
15:20.01Kalrothwhy append suffix to text?
15:20.10jnwhitehwhereas .value is a raw value that can be used elsewyhere, with a suffix specifying information about that value
15:20.13TorhalThough the terminology isn't sufficient. "data source" requires "text"...why not "data"?
15:20.18jnwhitehKalroth: because that's the information to be displayed.
15:20.32Funkeh`the ONLY reason value was created was because people shoved suffixes in text
15:20.41jnwhitehA feed should give me .text of 30.3 FPS
15:20.57jnwhitehI'm having difficulty trying to understand why it shouldn't be this way.
15:21.12mitch0jnwhiteh: apparently someone wanted that to display without "FPS"
15:21.24jnwhitehThen they have options in my display addon to display 'raw' values
15:21.30jnwhitehthat should be the exception
15:21.36mitch0not unless you have .value
15:21.41jnwhitehsure
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15:21.47jnwhitehI'm arguing that .value + .suffix shoudl not be the default.
15:21.49jnwhitehI think that's wrong.
15:22.02Torhaljnwhiteh: I can see a "want" for suffix. What I do not see is a difference between "text" and "value".
15:22.17mitch0torhal: text is .value + .suffix
15:22.19jnwhitehTorhal: text is the TEXT to be displayed, value is the actual number, or table.. or whatever.
15:22.23jnwhitehmitch0: I disagree
15:22.24jnwhitehit may NOT be
15:22.26jnwhitehbut it could be.
15:22.31jnwhitehyou're being too rigid
15:22.41Funkeh`Some displays didn't want to support a separate suffix
15:22.45Funkeh`so they used text only
15:22.48jnwhitehSure, and they don't have to
15:22.57Torhaljnwhiteh: The "whatever" is vague. Ambiguous. NOT HELPFUL.
15:22.57mitch0well, yeah, in theory it could be differnt , but then that's getting kinda weird
15:23.08Funkeh`hence why text = "30fps", value = "30" and suffix="fps"
15:23.13Torhaljnwhiteh: Hence: Why is "value" different from "text"? :D
15:23.16Funkeh`for the varied type fo displays
15:23.25jnwhitehTorhal: because, that's how it should be!
15:23.26jnwhitehvalue is the raw value
15:23.28jnwhitehand number in this case
15:24.00mitch0btw, will SetFormattedText("%s", number) die or do the right thing?
15:24.14Torhaljnwhiteh: But since the "spec" is so ambiguous, NO display will interpret it as anything other than an alternate version of "text". Be it a string, table, whatever.
15:24.26jnwhitehTorhal: that's not true
15:24.31Torhalmitch0: It will display a number, in string format
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15:24.31jnwhitehits' a subset at least
15:24.33jnwhitehequal at most
15:24.59mitch0ok, this whole discussion didn't help me decide which "if" to place first :)
15:25.02jnwhitehif a feed provides 'text', the user should see that unless the addon has a valid reason to do otherwise.
15:25.14Torhaljnwhiteh: There is no prescription as to what to do when "value" is a non-string.
15:25.20jnwhitehsuch as something that displays feeds in tabular form, with the 'suffix' being the column and the 'value' being the cell.
15:25.20mitch0letme pastey then I'll do a poll :)
15:25.25jnwhitehTorhal: so?
15:26.02Funkeh`mitch0, if .suffix then display .value.. .suffix else display .text
15:26.04Torhaljnwhiteh: So it is undefined. It5 should die or result in error. Or, in orionshock's case, result in epileptic seizure.
15:26.23jnwhitehI disagree
15:26.30jnwhitehand I'm not sure why you're being so.. drastic
15:26.55Torhaljnwhiteh: I'm not: I'm looking at it from orionshock's perspective. What shold it do?
15:27.05TorhalI don't even USE "value".
15:27.10jnwhitehif its a string, it shouldn't exist in my opinion.
15:27.21jnwhitehbut I understand why it exists
15:27.29Funkeh`mitch0, understand?
15:27.29jnwhitehbut that's twisting the LDB spec for a relatively niche case
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15:33.08mitch0ok, here's a trimmed down version of my :setText(): http://ace.pastey.net/131677
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15:33.21mitch0please vote with prefer_text or prefer_value :)
15:34.33jnwhitehprefer_text.. 'discovery' is only necessary in the options imo.
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15:35.03steevhttp://www.fandome.com/video/117254/Sword-Practice/?q=c
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15:36.26Kalrothfirst version again?@#%&#!
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15:36.57Kalrothwhen is he hitting alpha version 0.1, at revision 9001?!
15:38.35Kalroth(also for what little its worth, I agree with jnwhiteh)
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15:39.01olafskiso many first versions.. which one should I install? :<
15:39.45steevthe most recent first version!
15:39.46KalrothI'd go for the last first version, it's probably better than the first first version
15:40.18olafskione would hope so
15:40.23olafskiwhy not just call it the nth version though
15:40.28Kalrothalthough I don't see why an experimental addon should spam IRC about updates
15:41.49yoshimoso irc-announce set to off by default for experimental addons?
15:43.20TorhalI just moved splitter to CurseForge
15:43.29olafski:D
15:44.05TorhalSame for LibSnowflake-2.0
15:44.56AckisTorhal: abuse!
15:45.00FiskerAckis!
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15:45.02Fiskeri hate you!
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15:45.18TorhalAckis: Don't make me give you a Dirty Sanchez.
15:45.44RepoNew addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/nowplaying/. Now Playing. ingela (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.
15:45.48AckisFisker: y?
15:46.15olafskilol at nowplaying
15:46.33olafskiwhat's the difference with just typing "/g listening to artist - song" :/
15:46.35genetik-that seems like a lot more effort than just typing out what you're listening to
15:46.35genetik-heh
15:46.50olafskiwell it could be good for me
15:46.54olafskiI only listen to one song
15:47.00genetik-set a macro up
15:47.01genetik-heh
15:47.10olafskibut I would hope it remembers it between sessions then!
15:47.16steevthe real question is, who gives a shit what you're listening to?
15:47.34Ackissteev: exactly :P
15:47.37olafski:D
15:47.38ckknight@project libsnowflake-2-0
15:47.40Repockknight: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libsnowflake-2-0/. LibSnowflake-2.0. Game: WoW. Grayal (Manager/Author). Updated: 40 days ago
15:47.53steevmy number 1 pet peeve is people who play music over vent
15:48.13TorhalAckis: Fisker hates you.
15:48.13olafskimute
15:48.27steevolafski: that is exactly what happenes
15:48.29steev-es+s
15:48.41olafski:)
15:48.54olafskieverybody's heard about the bird
15:48.59genetik-steev: even bigger of a pet peeve than people who have their speakers blasting vent sounds while they're talking so you hear yourself?
15:49.03genetik-that's #1 for me
15:49.27olafskihaha we had a paladin in my guild who did that
15:49.28genetik-i want to drown a kitten and kick a puppy everytime someone does that
15:49.31olafskibut insisted she used a headset
15:49.40olafskiaw leave those kittens alone :(
15:49.46genetik-not my fault!
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15:50.02olafskijust kick two puppies
15:50.02genetik-they pushed my hand
15:50.15steevi have game sounds (and vent *announces*) go to my speakers, everything else goes to the headset (seems to be the default handling in Windows 7)
15:50.42steevwhy the announces? cuz i hate listening to them as i'm trying to say something
15:51.13genetik-how do you set them up as separate?
15:51.22genetik-i don't remember seeing an option for that
15:53.27Ingelaolafski, it does remember between sessions
15:53.53steevgenetik-: usb headset
15:54.04steevessentially 2 sound cards
15:54.17genetik-ah, that fancy dancy stuff
15:54.22olafskiingela: okay.. but what's the point of this addon? no offense.. but having to type it in manually, it seems like you might as well manually announce it
15:55.16Ingelanone offense taken, but it saves you from typing some stuff, also you can just select say/raid/guild or what ever, i use it sometimes myself, hence why i did the addon in the start
15:55.22Ingelabut really, there's not much use in it as you say =)
15:55.26olafski=)
15:55.33pentium166My onboard sound lets me use the various outputs independantly on windows 7, I had to change some setting that I don't remember though
15:55.35olafskialright, well if you use it yourself then there is enough reason to make it :)
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15:57.18steevgod i hope we get down the blood princes tonight
15:57.26steevand that he drops cryptmaker
15:57.31genetik-fight looks kind of simple
15:57.33steevand that i win it
15:57.52steevi really need a new f'n weapon
15:57.58cralorIs wowace down for maint.?
15:58.13yoshimoi hope i can find a non lagging stream to watch a good raid^^
15:58.27cralornvm. it fixeded
16:00.23Ingelaolafski, anyhow, it was also never intended for me to release the addon, but i figured i might aswell if someone found it not totally useless lol
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16:01.19olafskiingela: it's fine ,) would be fun if you could actually grab this data from your audio player but I'm pretty sure that isn't allowed by wow ;p
16:01.35Ingelathat's very true =(
16:01.55mitch0can't you put stuff in the clipboard data?
16:02.42steevnow playing: wowpassword
16:02.50mitch0;)
16:03.09Ingelamitch0, hm. that was a good idea
16:03.32Ingelai know you cna just copy the data from like winamp with some command
16:03.43Ingelathen you could just right click it in somewhere
16:04.01olafskihm yeah that could work
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16:39.32yoshimoIt would be great if those of you who will enter the third wing tonight could make some transcriptorlogs, combat&chatlogs to help bigwigs
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16:44.23steevyoshimo: no way
16:44.51Torhalsteev: Don't make Fisker weep
16:45.22yoshimosteev, if you dont want to, you dont have to ;)
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16:48.27steevyoshimo: my luck i'd just forget to turn it on :(
16:48.30steevand off for that matter
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16:50.11Ackishttp://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/epic-fail-music-store-fail.jpg this is where Fisker shops
16:52.40yoshimoackis, maybe the name of some weird band?
16:53.01Ackishopefully
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17:03.56Funkeh`probably
17:04.03Funkeh`I sin't searching for it that's for sure
17:04.10Funkeh`ain't*
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17:07.32hasteFunkeh`, Ackis: it is
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17:12.39mitchnullhohum. none of my plugins provide .value to test...
17:13.51Ackishaste: you spent the last hour googling it?
17:16.15hasteAckis: no, I know of it from before :)
17:16.44AckisHA HA YOU LIKE CP
17:17.13hasteknowing does not equal liking my friend!
17:17.31mitchnullnice, wow died without a crash report...
17:21.21nicoli_si hate games that do that
17:21.25nicoli_sWAR used to do that shit all the time
17:21.33nicoli_swould just exit completely without notice
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17:24.46Ackisnicoli_s: FFXI will crash if you alt-tab
17:26.46Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r128 Bazooka.lua: minor tweaks
17:31.22nicoli_swow thats pretty sad
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17:34.51XtekThus why I helped create the Windower!
17:35.42yoshimotoravon in voa comes next week, doesnt he?
17:35.46pentium166crashing on alt-tab, deleting your account/characters after a period of being unsubscribed, sounds fantastic
17:36.11Repo10pass-loot: 03Odlaw * r103 / (3 files in 1 directory):
17:36.13Repo- Adding ability to try rolling need/greed/de/pass in different orders for each rule.  Using money icons to indicate the order which rolling will be attempted (gold, silver and copper).  You can change the order by clicking on the check boxes (or money boxes now!)
17:36.15Repo- Fixed localization error
17:36.15Repo- zhCN update (pauleldwan)
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17:39.25Repo10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r129 Bazooka_Options/Options.lua: add .value in tooltip for showValue option
17:41.39sb|work@dscribe pass-loot
17:41.44sb|work@dsecribe pass-loot
17:41.46sb|workMEH
17:41.48sb|work@describe pass-loot
17:41.49Odlawfail.
17:41.49Reposb|work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pass-loot/. PassLoot. Auto roll greed, need, pass or manually roll on items.
17:41.53sb|workyep :p
17:54.00steev~wowalert
17:54.01purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
17:55.10Ingelaquestion, how did my addon end up on curseforge
17:55.19Ingelai only used wowace
17:56.42AckisIngela: which one?
17:56.53Ingelathe one you approved! http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/nowplaying/
17:57.40AckisI moved it to CF based on some comments/PM's. (afk right now, feel free to PM me)
17:57.58Ingela:O
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18:12.12miicai was wondering how i can make channel system that works little like /gchat
18:12.55miicai wanna type /something and it will keep that /something and send messages to some function
18:17.05miicaor is it even possible? :/
18:26.01olafskihm I wonder too ackis, are the requirements for putting something on wowace different than for curseforge? seeing as you moved it :)
18:26.11olafskimiica: could you give an example of what you want to do? I'm not sure I understand :<
18:26.20olafskioh. wait I think I get it :P
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18:39.58Mikkolafski: yes there are certain quality standards that we want to meet for hosting something on wowace
18:40.11Mikkcurseforge is much more lenient
18:43.26mitchnullthat reminds me of the default behaviour of SimpleDateFormat
18:43.35mitchnull(totally offtopic :)
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19:14.43steevhooray the servers are coming up
19:15.14yoshimowhat time is it in your country?
19:16.20Pneumatuseu servers on the blink?
19:18.41yoshimowhat do you mean pneumatus?
19:18.53Pneumatusi can't log on to my realm :<
19:19.15yoshimothe european loginservers have problems the whole day
19:19.24Pneumatusah
19:20.54olafskimikk: ah, alright :)
19:20.56nevcairielno deal!
19:21.22Megalonmy server just started the testing phase for the downtime today :7
19:21.38Megalonworld servers going on and off randomly :o
19:22.10Pneumatushmm, logged into tarren mill, can't get on turalyon though :<
19:22.19Pneumatuscyclone is such the worst bgroup ever
19:22.25steev<Kingdom of DETH> /facepalm
19:22.42steevno
19:22.42PrimerMaybe they're fans of Dave Mustain
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19:22.48steevits actually
19:22.54steev<Kingdom ov DETH>
19:23.22yoshimothe detha was the druid organisation in borean tundra wasnt it? ;)
19:23.36PrimerD.E.T.H.A
19:23.41Primer.
19:24.21yoshimosorry i was lazy^^
19:24.31pentium166dehta
19:24.59Primeror that
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19:28.17taledenGnarfoz: I found how PB4 gets temp weapon enchant icons.. it's an ugly, ugly, ugly hack :P
19:30.39SunTsutaleden: that's what Shefki said, too ;)
19:30.47taledenyeah, he wasn't kidding
19:31.09Jagobahdehta but yeah
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19:39.38Funkeh`Can I not get the name of an entry in a table such as table={"yo"=true) by using an index number in any way?
19:41.00taledenthere is no index number
19:41.11taledenthe index is the string "yo"
19:41.24taledenyou could iterate over it with pairs() which would reveal that string key however
19:41.48Funkeh`Yeah without iterating was my intetion
19:42.00taledenif the table is small, iterating isn't slow
19:42.07taledenalthough the order is undefined
19:42.21taledenso for {"yo"=true,"zo"=false} you might get "zo" first
19:42.59Funkeh`if you're continuingly adding to the table, I thought it aded to the top?
19:43.14taledenfor string keys there is no top or bottom
19:43.15nevcairielhash tables have no defined order
19:43.17taledenit's a hash table
19:43.37Funkeh`darn
19:44.01winkillerany DW Unholy DKs left?
19:44.04taledenif you need a pair of values, and you need an order of pairs, you probably need parallel tables
19:44.10taledenlike keys[0]="yo", vals[0]=true
19:44.38Funkeh`Yeah that's how it's looking
19:44.51Funkeh`(the solution)
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19:51.34SunTsuwinkiller: dualwield unholy? sound very much like failure
19:51.42winkillerlevelling spec
19:51.50winkillerworks like a charm
19:51.59winkiller2/6/53 :P
19:52.32SunTsuany specc works like a charm for leveling a dk ;)
19:52.38winkillerprobably
19:52.48winkillerand point is, I have no special DW talents
19:52.55winkillerI just happen to have 2x 85 dps swords
19:52.58winkillerand no 2hander
19:53.11winkillerbut is there a point in trying for the crafted 74 one
19:53.14winkilleror.. not
19:55.21SunTsuI just used the 2h weapons I found on the ways and it all went very smooth
19:55.38winkillerhmk
19:55.56winkillerhow efficient in 5mans is Pestilence+Blood Boil
19:56.06winkilleris it worth on pulls?
19:56.39winkillerIT, PS, Pestilence, BB - then Blood Strike until Scourge Strike available
19:57.09winkillerbit hard to test, can't really estimate how good the aoe is
19:58.42Repo10grid2: 03Azethoth * r318 RaidDebuffs/Grid2StatusRaidDebuffs.lua: --More Rotface
19:58.44Repo--More Putricide
19:58.45Repo--Blood-Queen Lana'thel
19:58.46Repo--Blood Prince Council
20:00.04olafskiapparently unholy DW was quite viable
20:00.08olafskiI liked frost though
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20:13.07taledenhm.. lua match() doesn't understand optional groups, like "abc(de)?f" ?
20:16.59ckknightcorrect, taleden
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20:20.55Shefkitaleden: Lua only has patterns not regular expressions.
20:21.44taledenyeah, didn't realize patterns didn't support group+repetition though :/
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20:33.17TentacledAs per my yesterday's OnUpdate ramblings, please gc them from your memories altogether, they were the ramblings of a lunatic, yours truly.
20:34.22ShefkiOh?
20:34.58TentacledI mean, everything what I said might be true, save for the tiny little fact that my observations were conducted in a tainted environment.
20:35.35TentacledI have an update-throttling block at the start of the OnUpdate function. Figures why my subsequent elapsed accumulations never made any sense.
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20:36.06ShadowedThat would explain a lot :P
20:37.35TentacledMade a separate counter actually storing the throttled elapsed runs for use later, and now everything's peachy... Apologies for wasting your valuable brain cycles.
20:38.12Repo10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r7050 / (2 files in 2 directories): deDE update. Make a few things clearer.
20:38.46Tentacled(It's actually kinda nifty to have it tracked in the elapsed variable again - code runs just a few times per second, and the elapsed value believes it's really running at 5 fps ;P )
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21:00.39ckknight~seen xinhuan
21:00.40purlxinhuan <n=xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 20h 36m 8s ago, saying: 'i'm off, good night ;p'.
21:06.40steevhttp://qdb.us/155550
21:09.09Arrowmasteri know somebody that pulled that on an MP at an airforce base
21:09.53Arrowmasterbut it was for speeding
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21:12.19Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.1-7-gf7cf7b1 modules/movers.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed UnitIsAFK errors when using configuration mode
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21:42.12Repo10kg-panels: 03kagaro * r344 / (2 files in 2 directories):
21:42.14RepoFixed negative frame level in slider, and will auto fix levels if less than 0
21:45.12aestildid antiarc make a pally power replacment?
21:45.49Adremma@describe Blessed
21:45.51RepoAdremma: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Intelligent, slim paladin blessing management
21:45.56steev<jonukas> hello, hope someone can help me. How with c#, i can make 3.576 to 3.58 ?
21:45.59steev<ttvd> if(value == 3.576) value = 3.58;
21:46.40Adremma*eyes date on last file* I'd say technically yes, aestil
21:47.29aestilgood call.  couldn't remember the name of it.
21:47.32aestillooks like still in alpha though.
21:48.44ckknightsteev: lol, where did this occur?
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21:50.43EthanCentauraihave I been made a moderator of Curse now? I ask as I've just received about 50 spam reports all at once :/
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22:17.42Stew-adoes anybody know if broken items contribute to meta gem counts?
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22:20.43Mikknoooo idea
22:20.45Mikkfind out! =)
22:21.08Mikkif i had to guess the answer would be no
22:21.15Mikksince their stat are also not included
22:21.18Mikkstats*
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22:32.18WobWorksteev: looks like a bash.org =P
22:32.35ckknighthttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418710674
22:36.21WobWorkckknight: epic
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22:40.41taledenare there any temporary weapon buffs that don't have a duration? i.e. until-totem-recalled or on-next-strike etc?
22:53.48yoshimoAddOn Ace3 attempted to call a protected function (SearchLFGLeave()) which may require interaction. why the hell are all addons calling this function?
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22:57.02Mikkthey arent
22:57.10Mikkblizzard codes does after being tainted
22:57.13Mikkusually dropdown menus
23:07.57Antiarcwow, neat
23:08.16AntiarcOn last week's Festergut 25 kill, I ranked #22 for combat rogues worldwide
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23:09.02MikkWell
23:09.08MikkDid you raid early in the week? =)
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23:13.15yoshimomhm how can you taint lfgleave?
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23:14.08Mikkyoshimo: you dont taint THAT
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23:14.21Mikkwhat happens is the blizzard code that calls it gets tainted
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23:14.28Mikkand then when it tries to call lfgleave, its not allowed to
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23:14.57Repo10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.5-21-g03e1573 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Disabling the mouseover option for the time being, too buggy for the time being
23:15.12Gnarfozgreat, for the time being
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23:16.55Repo10passloot_atlasloot: 03Odlaw * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory):
23:16.57RepoAdd a popup warning if atlasloot isn't loaded and we have rules that have this filter.
23:19.29yoshimothis whole tainting is evil
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