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00:03.02Groktarbest random heroic ever
00:03.10Groktari queued as tank and got oculus
00:03.14Groktarand we were on the last boss
00:03.25Groktarand my sack of gems had two cardinal rubies and a drake
00:04.34vhaarrgod dammit there's no apparent way to solve this
00:08.09Groktarblames Mikk
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00:15.18Ingelarofl Groktar
00:15.22Ingelathat's a nice heroic
00:17.21LienneThought I was lucky yesterday when I got my drake
00:17.22Liennebut wow
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00:53.25Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7112 / (2 files in 2 directories):
00:53.27RepoAwful hacks to not show TotR if you log into (or reload in) a raid instance with a LoD BW.
00:55.34Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7113 Plugins/Tips.lua:
00:55.36RepoActually check whether we are inside a raid instance or not before doing anything.
00:57.44StanzillaGroktar: I hate you
00:58.41WobWorkvhaarr: what sort of tips are these?
00:58.45WobWork"Don't stand in the fire"?
00:58.48vhaarryeah
01:00.57GroktarStanzilla: :(
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02:02.15Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 07cataclysm * r2529 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Fix back button bug
02:02.17Repo- Default frame now automatic select the first loottable on Module/Instance change
02:02.18Repo- Some other small fixes
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02:41.43cralorIs this wrong:
02:41.45cralorelseif (event == "PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED") and (... == UnitName("player")) then
02:42.53cralorOh!
02:42.58cralorarg1 is "player".. not the name :P
02:53.12BWMerlinIn pitbull4 is it possible to make new units?
02:56.38Repo10goblinvendorfilter: 03yssaril 07master * 0.7.2b-2-g66b92d2 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] experimental version (we hook almost everything at the very last second(at the first GetMerchantNumItems call)) this should get us to the very end of any hook chain going on ensuring that the filtered values are preserved until GVF sends them directly to the client)
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03:55.34Venara@describe goblinvendorfilter
03:55.35RepoVenara: http://www.wowace.com/addons/goblinvendorfilter/. GoblinVendorFilter. Enables the filtering of items when you visit a vendor
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04:07.52sylvaanthe iPad simulator needs to have apps on it
04:08.02sylvaanhow annoying
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04:10.19sylvnaarwhatever
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04:16.47Groktarwe have one of fifteen attempts left on blood queen
04:16.51Groktarafter we two shot her last week
04:16.52Groktar:(
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05:07.45ShirikCairenn|afk: ping
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05:07.54Shirikor nevcairiel or tem etc.
05:08.17quiesenseI considered trying to wake someone but its too much effort working out who is likely to be alive
05:08.40ShirikAnd this is why they should just let me put Shiibot in here :P
05:09.11NechcknI said the same for wowhead, Shirik
05:09.18Nechcknbut... no takers
05:09.30Nechckns/said/suggested/
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05:11.12Shirikoops...
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05:11.25ShirikI tried to figure out his client, I may have contributed to the problem :(
05:11.31Shirik(00:10:16)  -› [CTCP to Droolio]: VERSION
05:11.31Shirik(00:10:24)  -› Quit: Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) (Excess Flood)
05:11.46quiesensebad shirik
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05:12.04Shirikfail Droolio for having a poor client imo
05:12.22quiesenseany client that responds to a ctcp request without some form of throttling or otherwise is susceptible
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05:13.07Shirik(00:11:51)  -› [CTCP/VERSION] from dzse (n=pmthnze@115-64-183-105.static.tpgi.com.au) (Ignored) <-- :)
05:13.29Shirikand, because of distributed attacks, (00:11:53)  -› CTCP protection: ignoring CTCPs for 60 seconds
05:13.32Aeyanyawn
05:13.37Droolioit's mirc
05:13.45Drooliobut do me a fav and stop that :)
05:13.52ShirikUh... it's not me :P
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05:13.57ShirikAnd I'm using mirc too
05:14.19Droolioyou said i have a poor client?
05:14.20quiesensetechnically there are probably quite a few clients susceptible
05:14.40Shirikare you using an old version of mirc?
05:14.43Drooliocome to think of it, there hasn't been a new version of mirc in a while
05:14.44ShirikOr perhaps it's my script that handles it
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05:14.48quiesensebut people with say, scripts that use multiline version responses are probably especially easy to get flooded off
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05:15.02Droolionope i'm using v6.35
05:15.41quiesensea lot of the scripts people use like to add their own little touches onto the stock version reply, and then those additional bits count towards the flood limits
05:15.45quiesenseo.o
05:16.50Shirikwell teh only thing different between me and you is that I use nbs-irc, so I guess it's the script handling the CTCP flood
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05:16.58Droolioah my flood protection isn't enabled
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05:17.15Shiriknot in time!
05:17.16Shiriklol
05:17.17AeyanHere we go again
05:17.23AeyanHehe
05:17.24quiesenseI really think we should wake an op
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05:17.28quiesensemaybe we should poke them all
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05:17.35Aeyanlol
05:17.40ShirikShiibot never sleeps
05:17.49Droolioright, just enabled ;)
05:17.54ShirikDroolio :P
05:18.05Drooliodunno if the built-in mirc flood prot works
05:18.21Shirikmake sure you turned on CTCP reply protection
05:18.22quiesenseany bets on which op is most likely to be alive?
05:18.27Drooliobeen a looooong while since i did a fresh install of mirc. all my settings are from like 1997
05:18.30ShirikCairenn|afk, but she's not, so you're screwed
05:18.57Droolioaye seems to be enabled
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05:20.43Shiriklolfail. I disconnected, but I don't know why
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05:20.51ShirikI blame brighthouse
05:21.14quiescenso.o
05:21.23Shirik?
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05:40.06Torhalckknight: That "rawr" caused a sunspot.
05:40.14ckknightk
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05:53.52ckknightno, I do, that's why I gave you ops.
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05:53.55Shirik<3
05:54.03ckknightgonna be going to bed soon
05:54.16quiescensfor what its worth +R on this is, unregisted users can join but not talk
05:54.24quiescensunregistered*
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06:03.16WobWorkquiescens: the CTCP floods don't require voice, do they?
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06:05.14quiescens?
06:05.38ShirikWobWork: no
06:05.41quiescensthey're sending them to channel, so yes at the moment they need to be able to "talk"
06:05.51Shirikwell they do if the channel is +R
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06:21.44TorhalShadowed: This kid needs his legs knocked out from under him. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176371#post176371
06:22.11TorhalStill acting like he knows everything there is to know about Lua simply because he's smart enough to grasp certain concepts.
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06:22.53ShadowedThe problem is, he doesn't grasp the concepts
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06:23.12TorhalI said "certain". :D
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06:23.28Shadowedhe has a very crude grasp on it
06:23.38TorhalYes. But that makes him omniscient.
06:23.55ShadowedHe's 12, every 12 year old thinks they know everything :p
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06:24.20TorhalI thought that was only the semi-intelligent ones. Alas.
06:24.23ShadowedAlthough most of them aren't quite so stubborn
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06:24.44ckknightyea, that Torhal guy's a dick
06:24.51Shadowedwe already knew that
06:24.55TorhalI think we should get him interested in Physics, so he can say Einstein was wrong.
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06:25.06Shadowedhaha
06:25.14Torhalckknight: You mean "fuckhead", right?
06:25.16winkilleryay, snow chaos
06:25.32ckknightTorhal: ur mom
06:25.34ckknighthey-o
06:25.46TorhalMommy!
06:28.30TorhalAmended the post to drive the point home.
06:28.33TorhalBleargh.
06:29.46ckknightTorhal: looking at the global table will be both faster cpu-wise and more memory-efficient than initializing a new closure.
06:30.32ShadowedWhich is irrelevant because the CPU cost is so small that if it matters you're doing something crazyly wrong :p
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06:31.08TorhalShadowed: He thinks Knuth is an idiot, too, apparently.
06:31.13Shadowedwho is Knuth
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06:32.04Torhalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Knuth
06:32.16TorhalHe made the observation that "Premature optimization is the root of all evil."
06:32.36TorhalActually - "We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil"
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06:33.23Shadowedoh that
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06:34.59ckknightDonald Knuth, international sex symbol
06:35.26Torhalckknight: rawr?
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07:10.48nevcairielthat nightcracker guy is seriously funny
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07:16.58Torhalnevcairiel: Yes
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07:22.24nevcairielare there no classes left where that actiually makes sense?
07:23.09nevcairieldruids can basically get by with a full-tree-spec :P
07:23.20nevcairielits not perfect, but not really bad either
07:23.50Shadowednot really :p
07:23.55Shadowedthere's no reaosn for a Druid to go full tree
07:23.56Shadowedreason*
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07:26.07nevcairielhm i can only place 68 points in restoration before it goes pvp or doesnt make sense, bah :P
07:26.42Shadowedyea
07:26.57nevcairiel0/0/61 was a valid spec back in the day!
07:26.58ShadowedReally you can only place around ~60
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07:27.59nevcairielmost druids i know go 11/0/60 or possibly 14/0/57
07:28.02Shadowedyea
07:28.51ShadowedIt's probably not as bad for Druids to go 71 as other classes, but it's pretty much a weird and bad thing to do anyway
07:31.07nevcairiela moonkin can pretty much go 71 without a obvious bad talent
07:32.06HjalteResto is pretty good for moonkins though, compared to the filler talents that he'd have to take otherwise.
07:32.33nevcairieli didnt say it was perfect, but there are no talents in that build that directly scream pvp, for example
07:33.34nevcairielbut yeah a sane druid wouldnt spec like that
07:33.34quiescensstill
07:33.45nevcairielalthough moonkins are insane by design
07:34.52quiescenssome of the stuff in the [balance/resto] tree are worthwhile when you're [resto/balance] enough that they should probably be taken instead
07:34.56quiescensnodnod
07:35.17nevcairielevery druid spec basically starts with some stuff in resto
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07:46.11koaschtenAntiarc: Chatter -> Name completion in non-existance chat channels will error out. e.g. chat in /2, join random lfg, enter dungeon, try tab completion in /2 instead of /p -> http://ace.pastey.net/132129
07:48.01ArrowmasterGrum: ^^
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09:06.59winkillermhm, anyone knows of a (commercially) free windows image viewer ala irfanview/xnview?
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09:15.34CrazyBennyI¨ve settled to FastStone image viewer, but its not exactly awesome
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10:03.59mitch0I use opera fot that :)
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10:09.57Kalrothwhats wrong with irfanview?
10:10.12nevcairielit has a "personal only" license
10:10.31Kalrothoh, for work
10:10.44nevcairielfreeware only for non-commercial use
10:11.29Kalrothsure, it's $12 if you want to use it at work
10:14.31ZynXnView is winrar
10:14.43Kalrothsame issue
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10:23.05hastewinkiller: you could always use one of the GTK/KDE ports on windows
10:23.18winkilleronly solution methinks
10:23.22asmodaihttp://www.xnview.com/
10:23.36asmodaiwhat's wrong with that?
10:23.37winkillerasmodai: read licence
10:24.26asmodaiah
10:24.27winkilleractually, looking around, we got 60, so would probably need ~50 licences
10:24.43hastewinkiller: how is it a bad solution tho'?
10:24.45asmodaiwinkiller: Can't you just use Picasa then?
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10:25.18winkillerasmodai: can you open and browse through all in one folder with space or something
10:25.37winkillermy perception of picasa was: not much better than the windows viewer for "quick viewing"
10:25.40hastepicasa is more for album organization
10:26.01winkillerhaste: got any names of stuff?
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10:26.15winkillerthink I've never thought much about on linux, I just... use it
10:26.25winkillerwhatever distro/wm I have running
10:27.08hasteI just use feh under linux, so dunno about the GTK/Qt ones
10:27.19hastetake a look at KDE's stuff
10:27.25mitch0kuickshow is the kde one afaik
10:27.27hastethey tend to provide windows ports as well
10:27.52winkillerok will do, thanks
10:28.00winkiller(imgv is horrible, btw)
10:28.03hastehttp://windows.kde.org/
10:28.06winkillerso id dia
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10:48.35Repo10moncaiqt: 03Moncai * r27 / (5 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
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10:50.19Repo10moncaiqt: 03Moncai 04v0.1.2-beta * r28 : Tagging for beta.
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10:58.40Fisker@project blessed
10:58.42RepoFisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 23 days ago
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11:01.30SunTsuwhoa, 23 days? That's what I call rapid development :>
11:02.02Fiskeryeah
11:02.04yoshimobasic stuff is working ;)
11:02.04Fiskerhe's lazy!
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11:08.30yoshimo~seen Antiarc
11:08.31purlantiarc is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI'.
11:08.51yoshimoFisker, Zeksie is even more lazy^^
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11:19.53SunTsuI was hoping on blessed because PallyPower/ZOMGBuffs-Interaction seems to be faulty
11:21.33yoshimozomg doesnt send talents , which blessings you skilled and so on , me thinks
11:21.54arkanesthere's certainly some issues, the other pallies I run with that use PP are always complaining
11:22.08arkanesPP wire protocol is frigging terrible :\
11:23.20yoshimozomg also doesnt accept  assignments from the pp autoconfig button because you dont have to be promoted to press that button
11:24.38yoshimoZeksie and Antiarc could replace PP easily if they were around and coding^^
11:25.05arkaneswell PP is practically universal
11:25.17arkanesso just not using its protocol is not a real option at this point
11:26.13yoshimoblessed is missing real commcode yet, isnt it?
11:26.18orionshocki've always been a fan of - one or the other, unless the 2 authors sit down and hash out the protocols to work togeather, then don't mix it
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11:26.58arkanesmy understanding is that blessings has no comms, because PP is terrible but nothing else works :P
11:31.09Fiskernow i have saronites for shadow's edge :o
11:31.18yoshimoim still missing a few
11:34.15yoshimoorionshock, why do you think im hoping that Zeksie comes back?^^
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11:35.19Fiskerbut it's like iPhone yoshimo
11:35.23Fiskeryou know it's inferior
11:35.29Fiskerbut yet these retards keep wasting money on it
11:35.39Fiskerso until PP dies, there'll still be retards using it :(
11:35.58Fiskeri wish we never fixed that exploit that allowed you to disconnect PP users
11:36.03Fiskershould've been a feature in blessed
11:37.43yoshimohow could you disconnect them?^^
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11:41.23SunTsu~seen Zeksie
11:41.24purlzeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust23.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 43d 12h 12m 57s ago, saying: '(enjoy)'.
11:41.43yoshimojoy? not really^^
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11:42.54yoshimo~seen Zek
11:42.55purlzek <n=zeksie@cpc1-nott9-0-0-cust756.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 94d 19h 12m 51s ago, saying: 'moo'.
11:43.44Xinhuan~seen Xinhuan
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11:44.02Fisker~seen Fisker
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11:44.05SunTsuXinhuan: identity crisis?
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11:58.25Fiskerfarts
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12:05.44yoshimothe hallways left and right of the room of BQL, will there be respawning trash until you killed her?
12:06.13Repo10boss-notes: 03tatechen * r277 Locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: Traditional-Chinese update
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12:52.06Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta2-19-g13ecbcb / (2 files in 1 directory): [+4 commits]
12:52.08Repo13ecbcb: Fixed issue with players sometimes not being colored by class, and just for the hell of it colorized realm names by channel color.
12:52.09Repo2509635: Re-formatted the output text for human-readability, and added channel color support.
12:52.11Repo42ff151: Added channel colors.
12:52.12Repod536a44: Added tekDebug support and localized some globals.
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14:13.43yoshimothe wowaceforum doesnt shrink &stretch images to fit the users monitor size, does it?
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14:32.27asmodaihttp://i.imgur.com/wApCi.png
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14:48.08olafskihttp://i.imgur.com/Wo27t.jpg
14:48.10olafskiwhile we're at it
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15:04.10asmodaiolafski: Yea, saw that one
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15:56.18Silowyiok so I have my minimap at the bottom of the screen
15:56.34Silowyiand a lot of the blizzard tooltips, like the dungeon finder one, display offscreen
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15:57.44genetik-Silowyi: which minimap addon are you using?
15:57.55SilowyiSexyMap
15:58.27genetik-i haven't used it in a while, but i'm pretty sure there's an option to unlock "movers" so you can move those types of things around
15:59.16Silowyidoesn't move the dungeon finder tooltip
15:59.43genetik-i'm not sure what you mean, then
15:59.58Silowyiwhen you're queued for the dungeon finder
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16:00.16Silowyiand you hover over the mini map button
16:01.02SilowyiIt pops up with an estimated time and it says "assembling dungeon"
16:01.12Silowyibut this tooltip is halfway off the screen if you have your map at the bottom
16:02.36Silowyion another note, pally tanks that can't hold agro make me cry
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16:04.17yoshimono matter which class Silowyi, bad players make ME cry^^
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16:12.41SilowyiI love it when the loot system doesn't give you items you've won but instead leaves them on the body/in the chest
16:15.19hastethat's what you get for zoning out too fast!
16:15.33yoshimoor havent enough bagspace
16:18.56SunTsuit sometimes happens to me without any reason I can see
16:19.21SunTsuI sometimes just have to pick those items up myself
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16:24.21Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7114 Plugins/Bars.lua:
16:24.24RepoStarted works on the clickable bars, some actions remain unimplemented and others are probably bugged. Drycode.
16:26.50olafskisuntsu: happens to me too
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16:32.55VonhintenHOME`Any curse guys in here?
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16:35.02Ackisa few VonhintenHOME`
16:35.29VonhintenHOME`Password Reset Success? From: NCSoft Support (support@ncsoft.com) . xxxxxxxx-at-sneakemail.com |AionSource| (xxxxxx@sneakemail.com)
16:35.47VonhintenHOME`Someone 65.255.34.173 Aion has been reset to your game account password. If you not make the change, please contact support https://secure.ncsoft.com/login.
16:35.54VonhintenHOME`Of course, the link actually points to http://www.secure-ncsoft-nic.com/
16:36.21VonhintenHOME`hack email list is hacked
16:36.23Ackiswas that via a PM?
16:36.40Ackisit was an e-mail from aionsource?
16:36.44VonhintenHOME`No, that was to my sneakemail address tagged "AionSource"
16:37.47olafskiI think I got that mail too ;)
16:37.53VonhintenHOME`It was a clever attempt, it almost got me, since it's aion related from an aion related email account
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16:38.11olafskiwell yes, they wouldn't send aion related mail from a wow related account ;)
16:38.16AckisVonhintenHOME`: resay what you just said, Kaelten wasn't here
16:38.49VonhintenHOME`Password Reset Success? From: NCSoft Support (support@ncsoft.com) . xxxxxxxx-at-sneakemail.com |AionSource| (xxxxxx@sneakemail.com)
16:38.55VonhintenHOME`Someone 65.255.34.173 Aion has been reset to your game account password. If you not make the change, please contact support https://secure.ncsoft.com/login.
16:39.06VonhintenHOME`Of course, the link actually points to http://www.secure-ncsoft-nic.com/
16:41.24Fisker~seen Antiarc
16:41.29purlantiarc is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI'.
16:42.06VonhintenHOME`olafski, they'd probably have success sending a wow one too, since a lot of people use the same email address for everything
16:42.42olafskiyeah.. and a lot more people play wow than aion I guess ;)
16:42.51olafskiI've only gotten one for either game so far
16:43.06Kaeltensorry what's up
16:43.42Tentacledokay, this is getting retarded. UI.xsd cannot properly validate my nice XML - though it works - as it apparently requires XML elements to be present in a specific order. And indeed there's some <xs:sequence><xs:choice> nastiness in UI.xsd, which could be replaced by <xs:all>... if it were permitted any longer by w3c. So... how to force it to allow extension of a base type without enforcing element order..?
16:43.46VonhintenHOME`aionsource email list is likely hacked
16:43.52SunTsuI sometimes wonder how some of my co-workers even make it to work - I bet there are instructions and workflow charts to tie their shoes right next to their door...
16:44.34olafskiactually looking at my spambox, it's filled with wow related phishing
16:44.57KaeltenVonhintenHOME` ?
16:45.16VonhintenHOME`I use a single sneakemail addy for every site I have a login to, no reuse at all
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16:45.47VonhintenHOME`and I just got a phishing email for Aion via the AionSource addy
16:46.13olafskiah. seems like a lot of work :P
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16:48.24KaeltenI know the site had some bad adstuff injected into it through a vbulletin vunerability.
16:48.31Kaelten(aionsource that is)
16:48.39Kaeltenwe've purged the injection, and fixed the leak
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16:48.53VonhintenHOME`well, I haven't been to aionsource in ages, since I quit playing Aion
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16:52.39yoshimocan you create addons vor aion as well?
16:54.11VonhintenHOME`not the last time I looked
16:54.28yoshimowhat does aionsource do then?
16:54.38VonhintenHOME`it's a portal for aion
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17:03.11Fiskercrashes into Kaelten
17:07.44Kaelten~lart Fisker
17:07.44purldeclares Fisker a moron
17:07.57Fiskerderp derp derp
17:08.46vhaarrbork bork bork
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17:13.10Fiskerhey Gnarfoz
17:14.03ckknightyoshimo: it's just a community site
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18:03.02Fiskersooo stares down Antiarc
18:03.22PneumatusTorhal / yoshimo: 1x Spamalyzer-beta2-19-g13ecbcb\Spamalyzer.lua:34: attempt to index global 'tekDebug' (a nil value)
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18:07.19Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta2-20-gcb43986 Spamalyzer.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed debug declaration/definition - properly reference tekDebug.
18:07.25TorhalPneumatus: Heh
18:07.40Pneumatus*clikety-click
18:07.51TorhalPneumatus: Middle-click working for you?
18:08.01Pneumatusill check when its loaded in a min :P
18:10.14Pneumatuswell, i just reassigned the mousewheel button to middleclick in drivers
18:10.16Pneumatusso it does, yes
18:10.24TorhalYay
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18:12.05PneumatusTorhal: there still appears to be a sorting anomoly within the sub-lists, i guess that's known?
18:13.00Pneumatusi've sorted by bytes, but when i expand a character, the individual addons listed appear to be sorted arbitrarily
18:14.45TorhalAye - at the moment it only sorts by the players' or AddOns' values, and doesn't touch their sub-values
18:15.13TorhalIt's annoying but it isn't something I'm going to fix right away
18:15.20Pneumatus+1 vote for sorting sub-lists then :)
18:15.23TorhalHehe
18:15.32TorhalTicket or I might not remember for awhile.
18:15.47Pneumatuswill do
18:15.51TorhalRight now I'm adding a third view mode - by channel
18:15.52yoshimoticket or bug doesnt exist, wasnt it?
18:16.00Torhalyoshimo: Indeed!
18:16.00Pneumatusits not a bug :P
18:16.07TorhalFeature request, then
18:16.07Pneumatuswell, idk, it might be
18:16.25TorhalIt isn't, strictly speaking. It just isn't obvious that it wouldn't sort those as well
18:17.18yoshimolets do it like blizzard " problem is known already and we are working on it" , we dont have to say how long we will work in it ;)
18:18.00NivFreakAntiarc: so we gave mumble a go last night, with pretty misrable results
18:18.07Antiarcoh?
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18:18.36yoshimoantiarc, when will blessed be worked on again?
18:18.39NivFreaklots of audio artifacts, about an hour of people fucking with the audio wizard/settings to try and end up at a reasonable volume level
18:18.47NivFreaklots of issues with mouse keybinds
18:18.55NivFreakwe ended up dumping it and going back to vent for th enight
18:19.47AntiarcGimme a sec, tanking a heroic
18:20.02AntiarcWhat kind of bandwidth was the server on?
18:20.11AntiarcCELT suffers if you don't have appropriate server BW
18:20.12NivFreaksomething 10mbit+
18:20.20NivFreakI'll have to ask specifics
18:20.22Antiarcthat should be fine
18:21.40yoshimoi was trying CELT with ts3, but the client bandwith was too low^^ sounded bad as well
18:23.03AntiarcNivFreak: Have time to jump on a server with me? I can probably help you iron out the audio issues
18:23.34NivFreakI'm at work atm
18:23.44AntiarcPing me when you're home, I'll help you config it
18:23.44NivFreakI suspect some of it was client related
18:24.02AntiarcIt sounds fantastic if you get it configured right. Some of the defaults aren't quite right though.
18:24.06NivFreakbut my concern is, about half our raiders will never figure out advanced config
18:24.14AntiarcWell, it's really easy if you give step-by-step
18:24.14Pneumatushmm, i never realised wowprogress was able to be accurate to the minute
18:24.24AntiarcI have almost 80 people using Mumble on a regular basis :P
18:24.35Antiarcyoshimo: When I get time for addons, heh
18:24.36NivFreakPneumatus: armory started timestamping achieves at some point
18:24.42AckisAntiarc: did you see the $5 babys r us thing?
18:24.47AntiarcAckis: yup, thanks!
18:24.54PneumatusNivFreak: yeh, just been looking at page sources and noticed full timestamps
18:25.16Funkeh`Torhal, Message: Interface\AddOns\Spamalyzer\Spamalyzer.lua:34: attempt to index global 'tekDebug' (a nil value)
18:25.27Pneumatusupdate!
18:25.39yoshimoantiarc, it would be great if you could find zeksie and get him to use the blessed protocol as well^^
18:25.41Funkeh`i just did an alpha update...
18:25.45Antiarcyoshimo: I may, heh
18:26.00Funkeh`gah
18:26.02AntiarcNivFreak: Definitely feel free to poke me when you get some time to play with it. It's a great product, its config just suffers a bit from open-source-itis.
18:26.05PneumatusFunkeh`: new one got pushed about 5 mins ago
18:26.05Funkeh`useless
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18:26.09Funkeh`!
18:26.20Pneumatusshame armory doesnt have a guild feed like the char feeds
18:26.41AckisTorhal, Message: Interface\AddOns\Spamalyzer\Spamalyzer.lua:34: attempt to index global 'tekDebug' (a nil value)
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18:28.14PneumatusAckis: 1x <string>:"return Ackis:logDemKeys()":1: attempt to index global 'Ackis' (a nil value)
18:29.10Ackisrolfz
18:29.47AckisI posted that error on Torhal's facebook
18:30.01Repo10proculas: 03Xocide 072.0 * r236 / (3 files in 2 directories): Started working on the Options.
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18:34.18Gnarfoz<yoshimo> i was trying CELT with ts3, but the client bandwith was too low^^ sounded bad as well <-- wheee 19kbyte/s for voip, that leaves... -2kbyte/s for WoW! :D
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18:38.15yoshimoAdsl sucks^^ especially if you cant get more than a 2000 connection...
18:39.29TorhalFunkeh`: I'm assuming you updated before I pushed again?
18:40.02Funkeh`its working now yes
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18:45.20Repo10proculas: 03Xocide 072.0 * r237 / (2 files in 1 directory): Few tweaks, move along...
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18:57.31Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta2-21-gffffa8b Spamalyzer.lua: [+1 commit] Added Channel-view tooltip mode. The tooltip now displays the mode name in the header.
18:58.19TorhalNow you can easily see how badly your guild is spamming you with GearScore and Carbonite.
18:58.23Torhal:D
18:58.35genetik-fun stuff
18:59.08Megaloncarbonite even spams to those on your friendslist?
18:59.12AdremmaI already know how bad it is, the people who have those addons installed tend not to have any other addons with comms installed, even though they should
18:59.28Megalonbecause I get random people I don't know on spamalyzer, reporting message from carbonite :x
18:59.48pompyMegalon: ppl have u on their friends list then ;p
18:59.51Pneumatusput them on ignore
19:00.24TorhalMegalon: Channel-view will show if Carbonite is coming in on Whispers
19:00.27Megalonwell what baffles me
19:00.35Megalonis more the fact, that I'm on peoples friendslist!
19:00.40TorhalHaha
19:01.08genetik-stalkers
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19:03.51koaschten@describe biteme
19:03.52Repokoaschten: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/biteme/. BiteMe. Mark and Raid announce for Bite targets on Blood Queen Lana'thel boss encounter
19:06.11Pneumatus*facepalm
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19:06.32Pneumatusorganising bites for BQL is so trivial
19:06.41Pneumatusthe thought of using an addon for it...
19:07.15genetik-heh.. it's not like you have a whole minute to plan ahead who you're going to bite or anything...
19:07.46Pneumatusthere's a stupidly trivial stratergy for biting that only requires you know what 1 other person is biting on any cycle
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19:08.36VonhintenHOME`planning bites is srs bsns
19:09.10Pneumatus8 melee, 8 casters split into 4 groups of 4, trivialness ensures
19:09.38VonhintenHOME`We know who's highest DPS, and we just call it out
19:10.54genetik-i'm still trying to get my raid to learn how to not fail on the blood pact link thing.. people are overly stupid for some reason
19:11.10Pneumatusrun to the diamond in the middle of the room
19:11.12Pneumatusproblem solved
19:11.13genetik-yep
19:11.20genetik-that's how it _should_ be solved
19:11.27genetik-but there's always one person who's got tunnel vision
19:11.38Pneumatusreplace them, problem solved
19:11.44genetik-first night we worked on here i had flashbacks to mother shahraz
19:12.25genetik-not practical/possible to replace a third the raid, unfortunately
19:13.15genetik-we're actually getting better at it, though.. it's just every now and then someone will not pay attention
19:13.24genetik-usually melee
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19:14.25Fiskerwell marking people is still neat
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19:15.51Pneumatusand completely unneccesary!
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19:21.23ckknighthttp://img.skitch.com/20100128-b1ppcsa7662wbsdimr648tiar4.png
19:21.41VonhintenHOME`lol
19:24.00Fiskergive me the one with 4 iphones taped together
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19:29.30pompyHm, what could be causing this, http://pastebin.com/d53bc76c4
19:30.05Stanzillapompy: got questhelper?
19:30.22pompyStanzilla: nope
19:30.29pompyStanzilla: quest guru tho.
19:30.53Stanzillahm I got those errors with questhelper
19:31.28pompyquest gurus quest tracker shows the quest item provided next to it and u can click it to use it.. so idk if its maybe refering to that
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19:45.19Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta2-23-g0ab99ed Spamalyzer.lua: [+2 commits]
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19:45.37Repo0ab99ed: Sorting by category will now also sort sub-sections.
19:45.38Repo789992c: Moved Debug() above all other code.
19:45.40TorhalPneumatus: ^^
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19:47.51Ingela^great
19:47.52Ingela^Remove all the oRA2-3 main tank import magic stuff
19:47.56Ingela^stupid tomsommer <.<
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19:59.40Xtekhola
20:00.30Ackisolla
20:00.41Ackisi'm eating pudding
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20:01.59yoshimowhy should you remove support for ora?^^
20:02.40nevcairielbecause it was done crappy
20:03.29pompy@describe gearscore
20:03.30Repopompy: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/project-21509/. GearScore. What is GearScore? GearScore is an addon for World of Warcraft that allows you to quickly and easily judge a player's level o...
20:03.31pompylol
20:03.42nevcairielhuh was it deleted?
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20:04.02nevcairieloh someone else uploaded it
20:06.51pompy@describe nvgearscore
20:06.51Repopompy: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/nvgearscore/. GearScore. New GearScore 3.1.13! This is the new super awsome GearScore addon. If you want to see a video on how to use it watch: http:/...
20:07.09sb|workwtf
20:07.17yoshimosame author as the old one
20:07.19Ingela^yoshimo, that's a very good question, tomsommer decided to do it
20:07.19yoshimo?
20:08.01yoshimo@project nvgearscore
20:08.02Repoyoshimo: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/nvgearscore/. GearScore. Game: WoW. mirrikat45 (Manager/Author), fyrye (Documenter). Updated: 3 days ago. Tickets: 54/59
20:08.44pompythat is a lot of tickets
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20:18.04yoshimopompy, some people care about the tickettracker some people dont even look at it
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20:26.15Repo10boss-notes: 03tatechen * r278 Locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: Traditional-Chinese update
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20:32.54Repo3ab0ba9: Fixed message counts in channel view.
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20:42.42Repo- fixed ARL.scan_button placement (yeah torhal messed it up)
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21:16.02Gnarfoz~seen saroz
21:16.05purlsaroz <n=mail@0x5da37c9a.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1105.sdnqu1.customer.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 200d 5h 43m 8s ago, saying: 'nevcairiel, you got any admin privs on curse?'.
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21:35.45CrazyBennyICC pugs ftw...hunters damage on Rotface consists of 55% Volley, 30% Melee and rest is serpent sting :o
21:37.12yoshimoye, 25man first wing done, second wing fail, 10man only the first 3 bosses... sometimes i hate not having a qualified raid with skilled players
21:37.15Gnarfozvolley? rotface? wtf
21:37.30yoshimo30% melee?
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21:37.44CrazyBennyapparently he didnt know that he dont have to hug the boss, since rest of the group did
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21:40.55Megalonvolleys yoshimo over to Gnarfoz
21:41.27Gnarfozmakes Groktar melee Megalon
21:41.53Groktarraptor strike
21:42.18yoshimognarfoz i hope you have high armor, i looted bryntroll today^^
21:42.37Gnarfozyoshimo: Shadow's Edge will eat yo' soul
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21:42.53Gnarfoz(and yes, I have high armor~)
21:43.10Groktarwtb blood princes mace so i can put brnytroll in the bank where it belongs
21:43.25Groktarright now i'm offhanding my shadow's edge
21:43.26Groktar:(
21:43.35yoshimotitans grip and warrior? ;)
21:43.49Groktaryeah
21:44.39yoshimocan you dualwield 2 shadowmournes or is it unique?
21:48.02Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta3 Spamalyzer.lua: [+3 commits]
21:48.04Repo84d3a55: In DrawTooltip(): Only sort sub-sections when the main section is open.
21:48.05Repoca43392: When wiping data, also wipe addons and channels.
21:48.09Repo8233841: Removed COLOR_YELLOW since it isn't used, and upvalued some globals.
21:48.32Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 04beta3 * 61e84b6 /: [new tag] Tagging as beta3.
21:49.23Megalonthey are unique
21:50.40yoshimoin that case i try with shadows edge + shadowmourne^^
21:52.30Megalonquests tend to be not repeatable by default I think ;o
21:53.08yoshimolet me dream a bit, wont you?
21:53.20Megalonlangoliers yoshimo's dreams
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21:56.06yoshimoare those sweet dreams or a beautiful nightmare?
21:57.25Repo10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7116 Citadel/Festergut.lua: Citadel/Festergut: Add shake when you have the spore.
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21:58.35yoshimois immunity against arcane torrent, hammer of justice per spell or per mob?
21:58.59Megalonper diminishing return category i'd think
21:59.02yoshimoim talking about intterrupting in general
22:00.10Megalonhoj should always interrupt npc's, at least form reading the tooltip, but on the other hand, blizzard and tooltips :x
22:00.41yoshimowhat is a diminishing return category in comparison to spellschool?
22:01.16nicoli_syou mean whats the difference between them? diminishing returns category are spells that share the same diminishing returns
22:01.39nicoli_sso like multiple fear spells would work the same, so each time you cast, regardless of which fear spell it is, will have the same diminishing returns
22:01.47nicoli_sspell school is just like fire, arcane, nature, etc
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22:04.55yoshimohow do i know which spells belong in one category ^?^^
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22:07.16nicoli_sthe data is probably in the dbc files, so whoever made the addon probably got the info from there
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22:16.25yoshimowhich addon?
22:16.46Bribriare there actually good reasons to use curse client 4 over curse client 3?
22:16.54Bribribesides prettier ui
22:17.09Pneumatusgenerally better at handling everything
22:17.14nicoli_si dunno, addons that use the data, i dunno if there are any
22:17.32nicoli_sbribri: there are def more features, and like pneumatus said, its pretty much better at everything that v3 could do
22:17.42GnarfozGroktar: offhanding the slower of two weapons? that makes sense these days?
22:18.09TorhalBribri: Unless you're using Linux, get CC4
22:18.19TorhalOtherwise, you're screwed
22:18.44Bribridefine screwed
22:20.18TorhalLinux doesn't handle .NET very well. Mostly, at all.
22:20.30TorhalMono isn't compatible with the latest in .NET
22:20.36nicoli_sand it uses wpf, that mono cant do yet
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22:26.30ShadowedGagorian: You found the T10 2 piece Holy Paladin set was multiplied not added then?
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22:29.52yoshimorawr still doesnt handle t9 and t10 bonuses for holypaladins, does it?
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22:39.44TentacledHmm. Any of you guys ever did support for an Asian-locale client? zhTW or zhCN? A player is reporting that my addon is showing massive "?"s instead of proper Kanji that's in the localization files, so I'm suspecting my font choice might not support Kanji over at their end...
22:40.17VonhintenHOME`probably
22:40.57TentacledSo do all the GameFontHighlightSmall and gang have different font definitions for different locales?
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22:45.22ckknightyes, Tentacled
22:45.37TentacledSTANDARD_TEXT_FONT and bunch, let me guess.
22:45.44ckknightuse LibSharedMedia
22:45.45ckknightseriously.
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22:48.44Tentacledand... how can SharedMedia find the default font used on a Taiwanese client..?
22:53.36TentacledIs there a site that could have the FrameXML files browseable in different locales..?
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22:55.23GagorianShadowed: I haven't confirmed it either way, I initially had it multiplicative and haven't changed it since
22:55.35ShadowedOne of us is wrong, one of us is right!
22:56.27GagorianIndeed ;)
22:56.42GagorianBut it's more likely to be additive I'd think
22:56.52Shadowedhrm
22:57.58Shadowedlua> print(1.05 * 1.12); print(1.05 * 1.12 * 1.35)
22:57.58lua_botShadowed: 1.176, 1.5876
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22:58.23ShadowedSo 8% off depending on which
22:58.37ShadowedThat's not too bad
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22:59.15GagorianI only found one reference on elitistjerks with a quick google search, and it was a guess about being multiplicative
22:59.21GagorianBut nothing conclusive
23:01.48GagorianWould be real easy to test if you just had a char with the set...
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23:03.23ShadowedI certainly don't
23:05.05yoshimoGagorian what do you need exactly?
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23:08.14Gagorianyoshimo: Well, basically to see if holy set T10 2p 35% healing increase is multiplied or added to the talents when divine illumination is active
23:08.41Shadowedyou'd have to be Holy when you test it thought
23:09.27GagorianWell yeah, you need Divine Illumination to test :)
23:09.53ShadowedI was thinking more you need healing modifiers because 1 * 1.35 is still 1.35, but that's a good point too :p
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23:10.08Repo10spamalyzer: 03Torhal 07master * beta3-1-g67eb7d9 Spamalyzer.lua: [+1 commit] In Spamalyzer:StoreMessage(): If an addon doesn't have an entry for a player, insert that player's name into its sorted list. Yoshimo was right - I tagged a beta then found a bug.
23:10.13GagorianIndeed, you'd need a modifier that's known to be additive
23:10.18Gagorianactually two of them
23:10.21Torhalyoshimo: ^^
23:10.30Gagorianor well, one is enough
23:10.39GagorianPlus divine illumination
23:11.18Shadoweddo Paladins have additive modifiers?
23:11.26GagorianHealing Light should be afaik?
23:11.30ShadowedI thought healing light wasn't
23:11.57ShadowedSeal of Light was
23:12.07Shadowedrest were additive was my understanding
23:13.34GagorianI've put in Seal of Light as multiplicative
23:13.50ShadowedI have Seal of Light as being done first, so it doesn't really matter technically
23:13.53GagorianDivinity is at least multiplicative
23:14.02Shadowedyea Divinity is multiplicative
23:14.29Shadowedoh wait I guess I have SoL as multiplicative oops
23:14.38ShadowedI can't remember half of these formulas
23:14.45GagorianYeah I usually have to check too
23:15.10GagorianIt seems everything else I have is multiplicative but Healing Light, which means it's exactly the same if Healing Light is considered multiplicative or not
23:15.12Gagorianas the rest still is
23:15.17Fisker@project blessed
23:15.18RepoFisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 23 days ago
23:16.10GagorianIf Healing Light is actually multiplicative then it doesn't make any difference what the 2p T10 is
23:19.45Gagorianyoshimo: You have 2p T10 holy set?
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23:20.49GagorianBasically the easiest way to test is download DrDamage if you don't have it. Make sure you have healing light and divine illumination.. then spam flash of light for example with the buff on
23:21.14GagorianIf DrDamage predicts too high values then it's additive and not multiplicative.
23:21.27ShadowedHoly Light would probably be more obvious wouldn't it?
23:21.58GagorianWell the problem is that 15s effect on a 3min cooldown you'll get a lot more flash of lights in
23:22.16Shadowedah true
23:22.19GagorianMore chance to get a cast outside the calculated range?
23:23.33Gagorianlua> print(1.05*(1.12+0.35)); print(1.05*1.12*1.35)
23:23.34lua_botGagorian: 1.5435, 1.5876
23:23.58yoshimoso i have a paladin with 2 pieces of t10, what shall i do now?
23:24.13GagorianRead the instructions above :)
23:24.59yoshimofail at scrolling^^
23:25.39Megalonhehe
23:25.50yoshimocomplete naked except t10 so no trinket interferes i guess?
23:26.01Megalonmore spellpower is better
23:26.05GagorianWell more spelldamage is better, but procs are bad
23:26.06WobWorkone of these days I'll make a pally
23:26.13WobWorkprobably when I can make a tauren pally
23:26.17GagorianSo remove any procs if possible
23:26.29WobWorkI just wish "RetBull" wasn't taken on my server =(
23:26.49yoshimothis idea a few in my guild already had^^
23:27.02Torhalyoshimo: You cursed me. :D
23:27.05VonhintenHOME`I created Douchebagalo the other day, I was shocked and surprised no one had it
23:27.11Megalon1.05*(1.12+0.35) or 1.05*(1.12*1.35)
23:27.26yoshimotorhal, did you find another bug? ;)
23:27.29Megalonthe only possibilities?
23:27.57Torhalyoshimo: Just the one. But it was after tagging, as you said
23:27.58GagorianMegalon: Well in fact if you heal yourself you'll get another divinity stack
23:28.26Megalonyoshiom, just fire 2p bonus, spamheal yourself
23:28.29Megalonand pastey the combatlog
23:28.33Megalonand you spellpower ;)
23:29.41Megalonkind of remembers me, when I had to do that for every druid balance talent
23:29.59Megalonbecause noone on EJ ever tested it as it seemed :x
23:30.00GagorianAnd no Seal of Light active or Imp. devotion aura
23:31.15VonhintenHOME`do people use seal of light over wisdom these days?
23:31.25Shadowedpaladins run out of mana?
23:32.22yoshimoyes, if the second healer dies on markgar like i had it earlier^^
23:33.01Gagorianyoshimo: You going to test it now or a bit later?
23:33.07VonhintenHOME`I run glyph of seal of wisdom and Libram of Renewal still
23:33.20VonhintenHOME`and I still run low every now and then
23:33.23arkanespaladins run out of mana all the time
23:33.45yoshimoof course we do
23:33.55VonhintenHOME`I really hate the paladin mana regen mechanic actually
23:33.59arkanesthe only reason we're even moderately capable healers (at least in our HL incarnation) is that we gear and spec almost exlusively to not run out of mana
23:34.31arkanesif you think "rely entirely on replenishment" counts as a mechanic
23:34.35VonhintenHOME`that 50% healing debuff is way overkill
23:34.37yoshimoyou reg mana with divine plea, arcane torrent and manapotions^^
23:34.46yoshimoand loh
23:35.13VonhintenHOME`There's never a good time to plea, while main tank healing, imo
23:35.24VonhintenHOME`even with trinket/wings going
23:35.26arkanesnot entirely true
23:35.39arkanesbonestorm on marrowgar is a good time
23:35.47arkanesboat has plenty of down time, of course
23:36.02VonhintenHOME`ok, I'm talking fights that aren't a cake walk already :)
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23:36.23Megalonlike council!
23:36.28VonhintenHOME`blood queen
23:36.33arkanesi really hate the way people choose one fight as the "hard one" and then ignore mechanics for anything else
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23:37.02WobWorkarkanes: welcome to WotLK =P
23:37.12arkanesWobWork: it dates back much farther than that
23:37.14arkanesI still hate it
23:37.17VonhintenHOME`point is, pally's have a mana mechanic that doesn't work well in all cases, where the others have a mechanic that does
23:37.21Gagorianyoshimo: Well, I'm off to bed. If you have time to run some tests bother Shadowed with the math :P
23:37.34Shadowedlater Gagorian
23:37.50arkanespallies try to fight too many mechanics into wierd pegs
23:38.09arkanesyou can't up the CD on DP and get rid of the penalty to make more like other healers CDs, because that screws prot & ret
23:38.21yoshimoi should do that too gagorian, but im still messing with math^^
23:39.21VonhintenHOME`the other angle is, pally's have been taught to gear int, and that puts them at a natural disadvantage on the throughput front
23:39.26VonhintenHOME`since they aren't gearing SP
23:39.48arkanesexcept it doesn't, because HL has ridiculous througput with nearly 0 spellpower
23:39.54arkanesit's all about extremens
23:40.49arkanesbut every time we get to a place where spamming HL nonstop for an entire fight is a reasonable proposition, our regen is nerged
23:40.58VonhintenHOME`btw, that the hell is the story with Libram of Blinding Light
23:41.09arkanesbecause HL is tremendous throughput
23:41.13yoshimodammit, who invented 3minutes cd for that ability...
23:41.15VonhintenHOME`is it just me, or is that a retarded libram
23:41.25arkanesthe stacking sp one?
23:41.35VonhintenHOME`yeah, on Holy Shock
23:41.49arkaneswell they want pallies to do healing combos
23:41.59yoshimoi still use the old one^^
23:42.05arkanesso does everyone
23:42.10VonhintenHOME`They should have made it good then, lol
23:42.29arkanesthe only way to make it good is to somehow nerf HL spam
23:42.31yoshimoruins my average ilvl and the even more retarded GS, but that doesnt matter^^
23:42.59yoshimoarkanes, they should give us a better libram instead^^
23:43.01arkanesand they keep trying to do that with regen, but it's such a strong way to heal that players ignore the hints and gear for it anyway
23:43.30arkaneswe'll see what things look like in cat, I guess, when all healers have the same core regen mechanic
23:43.50VonhintenHOME`the problem is, that libram introduces ANOTHER thing to upkeep
23:44.27arkaneshitting HS on cooldown is actually a pretty good thing
23:44.30VonhintenHOME`shield, beacon, judgement, holy light buff, Flash hot...
23:44.37MegalonAustralia has banned mainstream pornography from showing women with A-cup breasts, apparently on the grounds that they encourage paedophilia, and in spite of the fact this is a normal breast size for many adult women.
23:44.48Megalonyea, aussies show 'em them titties
23:45.00VonhintenHOME`and then add to it holy shock, on a very unforgiving timer
23:45.02WobWorkcries
23:45.15WobWorkwhy are they doing this to our country =(
23:45.20arkanesVonhintenHOME`: HS on cooldown is technically an HPS increase
23:45.31arkanesVonhintenHOME`: and if you're a FoL pally its excellent
23:45.31VonhintenHOME`and expensive
23:45.32Fiskerso if you like women with a-cups you're a pedophile
23:45.33Fiskernice
23:45.46WobWorkFemale ejaculation is also a myth
23:45.54arkanesnot a myth, just disgusting
23:45.58arkanes(so they say)
23:46.00WobWorkit's classified as urine
23:46.13WobWorkI'm not quite sure what biologists they got to verify that
23:46.27yoshimowhat about man with b cups then?^^
23:46.34yoshimobut back to topic
23:46.38WobWorkyoshimo: that's fine, see
23:46.45WobWorkunless it's a fat kid
23:46.45arkanesyou're supposing they actually give a damn what a biologist says
23:47.03WobWorkarkanes: I'm hoping that logic and scientific fact would have -some- impact on the laws
23:47.03yoshimois it possible to refresh the divine illumination buff so it lasts longer than 15 seconds?
23:47.05arkanesor anyone, for that matter
23:47.12arkanesyoshimo: no
23:47.34yoshimothat will take ages to collect data then, 3m cd...
23:47.59arkanes~12 casts or so per cooldown
23:48.13arkaneshow big is the difference you're tring to detect?
23:48.17VonhintenHOME`pop a haste pot on first cast
23:48.21VonhintenHOME`might get a couple more in
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23:49.16VonhintenHOME`It's worded like a 35% boost to the heal value, post calculation
23:49.39Megalonarkanes: depends on your spellpower levels
23:50.02arkanespretty much all the percentage based bonuses have the same wording
23:50.16yoshimo2437 without procs
23:51.07Fiskeri have hate yoshimo
23:51.40Megalonhealing yourself?
23:51.48Megalonso an additional 5% from divinity?
23:52.17yoshimoim talking about plain spellpower megalon, removed rings and trinkets
23:52.44arkanesuse your on use trinket
23:52.50Megalonk
23:52.58arkanesit lasts longer than the DI does
23:53.08Megalonwhich talents do you have
23:53.14Megalonthat increase the healing done?
23:53.25Megalondivinty I think
23:53.29Megalonand something with +12%
23:53.49arkaneshealing light
23:53.52arkanesl2scrollback :P
23:54.31Megalonname is irrelevant :P
23:55.42arkanesI really like the way festergut plays out in 10 man
23:55.57arkanesI wish all boss healing (at least where tank death is intended to be the danger) was like that
23:56.28arkanesalthough I suppose it only feels so right to me because when we first did it we were at exactly the gear level it was tuned for
23:56.40Megalonyoshimo: got a value > 3120 or one below < 3045
23:56.44Megalonwhen healing yourself
23:57.43yoshimoi have to split my logfile first^^
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23:59.34Megalonwell, one cd should be more then enough

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