| 00:06.12 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1329 / (2 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 00:06.15 | Repo | - Glyph of Mind Flay stacks additively with Twisted Faith but multiplicatively with Darkness, which is the opposite of how talents stack on Mind Flay |
| 00:06.15 | Repo | - Glyph of Renew is bugged and reduces talent effects by 20% (Spiritual Healing, Twin Disciplines, Improved Renew but not Focused Power or Blessed Resilience) |
| 00:06.17 | Repo | - Fixed Glyph of Holy Nova, adjusted Holy Nova coefficient slightly |
| 00:06.18 | Repo | - Mind Sear can crit |
| 00:06.58 | Gagorian | arkanes: Your melee and ranged crit is lowered against bosses by 4.8% |
| 00:07.09 | Gagorian | Which is what bosses seem to do |
| 00:11.59 | harl | hasn't there been a patch note sometime in the late, stating that i was now allowed to join LookingForGroup from anywhere in the world? |
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| 00:14.19 | harl | was that just a simple re-instatement of allowing usage of the /join command to join that channel from anywhere? shouldn't it actually enable the channel even outside the capital cities? |
| 00:15.50 | harl | i don't know of any times that either the channel or joining it wasn't possible, so i didn't quite get their intention with this. |
| 00:16.15 | harl | +wasn't available |
| 00:17.18 | harl | and why don't people just create their own LFG channels if the official one's such a crap.. |
| 00:18.13 | arkanes | harl: blizzard doesn't want a global chat channel |
| 00:18.26 | arkanes | and any channel which is global will become one, no matter what its named |
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| 00:19.53 | harl | which is a contradictory situation |
| 00:19.56 | arkanes | Gagorian: do you know how recent that is? I know back in the classic days, bosses didn't seem to depress crit rates except from their level, and in fact the discrepency between expected and actual crit rates was one of the ways that we discovered the one-roll system for specials |
| 00:20.10 | arkanes | harl: thats why they don't have global channels |
| 00:20.41 | arkanes | obvioulsy people can create their own, and they do, but thats different from the system ones that you're automatically placed in |
| 00:21.30 | harl | but that's just because there aren't as many people using that possibility |
| 00:21.36 | arkanes | right |
| 00:21.41 | arkanes | thats the key difference right there |
| 00:21.52 | arkanes | also player created channels are/can be moderated by the players using them |
| 00:21.57 | arkanes | you can't moderate, say, trade chat |
| 00:22.34 | arkanes | thats 2 roll system for specials, of course |
| 00:22.36 | arkanes | silly me :( |
| 00:23.16 | harl | well what if all people of a realm joined a custom LFG channel. is blizzard's shiny b.net chat system too lazy to get along with this or why wouldn't they just enable their native LFG to become global by choice. |
| 00:23.45 | arkanes | that wouldn't ever happen |
| 00:24.01 | harl | preferrably even cross-realm or rather realm pool wide |
| 00:24.03 | arkanes | *if* it did, and it started to happen across all realms, then maybe blizzard would change their minds |
| 00:24.23 | arkanes | its got nothing to do with "shiny new b.net" or laziness, it's a policy and game design decision |
| 00:24.56 | harl | so: they think the amount of people really wanting/needing a global LFG chat is that small that they prevent it from the beginning to keep down their traffic with it? |
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| 00:25.08 | arkanes | it's not about keeping down traffic |
| 00:25.21 | harl | yeah ok, it's blizzard. |
| 00:25.36 | arkanes | I'm paraphrasing GC here |
| 00:25.58 | arkanes | but they want to keep a sense of seperation and space in the world to begin with, to diffrentiate between the cities and everywhere else |
| 00:26.19 | arkanes | LFD erodes that, which is why they experimented with the global LFG channel on the PTR |
| 00:26.35 | arkanes | but no global channel will ever be used for its "intended" purpose, global LFG just becomes global barrens chat |
| 00:26.58 | arkanes | and beyond that its not useful even if it were used for its intended purpose, because you're not talking to the people you want to group with, you're talking to everyone |
| 00:27.03 | harl | if i had a choice *now*, i'd prefer the global LFG channel over the newer LFD system, anyway. |
| 00:27.14 | arkanes | so we stick with global channels in the cities only, and the LFD system doesn't have talking |
| 00:27.47 | arkanes | well, we can agree to disagree there |
| 00:27.57 | harl | which is a shame to begin with, talking of bettering the overall communication in the game. |
| 00:27.57 | arkanes | I have no interest in having to /leave more channels because people need to talk about their butts |
| 00:28.36 | harl | i agree with that. |
| 00:29.00 | harl | just trying to get their intentions with *not* just making it a choice to the player. *shrug* |
| 00:29.30 | arkanes | game design isn't about giving choices to players |
| 00:29.37 | arkanes | thats easy, and what you get is second life |
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| 02:41.17 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://clientupdate.curse.com/setup.exe | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | http://wowace.com/a/author-store-is-launched | Want your Username changed? http://www.wowace.com/request-name-change/ | Happy Chinese New Year! |
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| 02:45.14 | Megalon | so it has much in common with Fisker |
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| 03:09.52 | sylvanaar | question: I already use 4 different web browsers. should I add a 5th http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ |
| 03:10.17 | sylvanaar | it looks kinda cool |
| 03:11.34 | sylvanaar | wow it looks exactly like chrome |
| 03:11.54 | Kilroo | Does it come with a Curse module for Minion? |
| 03:12.25 | sylvanaar | is there such a thing |
| 03:12.54 | Kilroo | not that I know of. |
| 03:13.19 | Kilroo | I figure it'll probably come out in May, since my WoW subscription runs out in April. |
| 03:14.14 | Repo | 10tradeforwarder: 03warbaby * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): initial version, same as LFGForwarder 1.12 |
| 03:14.20 | sylvanaar | the dalai lama is on twitter - that's all you need to know |
| 03:15.03 | Megalon | farmville has more players than there are twitter accounts |
| 03:17.05 | WobWork | browsers being what they are |
| 03:17.09 | WobWork | it's hard to get anything 'new' |
| 03:17.15 | sylvanaar | http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-dont-care-about-your-farm-or-your-fish-or-your-park-or-your-mafia/ |
| 03:17.22 | WobWork | and Opera left it a little late to be 'innovative' about it |
| 03:17.52 | ulic | sylvanaar: do you care about my bejeweled blitz scores? |
| 03:18.05 | sylvanaar | ulic: absolutely not |
| 03:18.16 | ulic | ok I won't send them then :) |
| 03:19.31 | sylvanaar | allright, nn folkses |
| 03:29.43 | Megalon | there is only one valid fecesbook page |
| 03:29.45 | Megalon | http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=336707071150 |
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| 03:55.55 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * Beta7-15-g178d72b / (4 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 03:55.57 | Repo | 178d72b: Added some missing flags. |
| 03:55.58 | Repo | 7276cae: update changelog |
| 03:55.59 | Repo | 104aa41: turn on changelog and up version |
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| 04:21.29 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03Torhal 04beta8 * 8f5c4a5 /: [new tag] Tagging as beta8 |
| 04:25.44 | Repo | 10collectinator: 03pompachomp 07master * beta8-1-gaa6d2f2 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] turn off changelog |
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| 04:34.09 | steev | woo, called raid early |
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| 04:56.43 | Killmore | damn, 2-3 guys of my guild get a sc2 beta invite.. and not me.. qq qq :( |
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| 04:58.06 | Megalon | time to hack accounts |
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| 06:20.22 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/census-wholib-version/. Census+ (WhoLib Version). sylvanaar (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 06:20.58 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/census-wholib-version/. Census+ (WhoLib Version). sylvanaar (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 06:21.07 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/tradeforwarder/. TradeForwarder. warbaby (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
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| 06:41.20 | Primer | Shefki: Could you point me to some PB4 code that implements mouseover events for raid frames? |
| 06:42.33 | Primer | having a bit of a hard time finding examples |
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| 07:57.59 | kandarz | How could I alter RegisterStateDriver(BonusActionBarFrame, "visibility", "[mod:ctrl]hide;show") to keep hiding the frame when in no stance? For instance, I can't unregister the state driver in combat. |
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| 08:03.07 | Arrowmaster | no stance? |
| 08:03.14 | Arrowmaster | how can you be in no stance? |
| 08:03.55 | profalbert | does priests shadow form count as stance? |
| 08:04.21 | kandarz | cat/bear form are stances |
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| 08:05.11 | kandarz | bah, DC |
| 08:05.19 | kandarz | yes, shadow form is also a stance |
| 08:05.36 | kandarz | as is stealth |
| 08:05.43 | profalbert | [stance:1]hide;show |
| 08:05.53 | profalbert | will hide it in stance 1 and show it for any other |
| 08:05.57 | kandarz | but I also want to hide on mod:ctrl |
| 08:05.59 | profalbert | including no stance |
| 08:06.39 | Arrowmaster | [mod:ctrl][nostance]hide;show |
| 08:06.40 | Arrowmaster | maybe? |
| 08:06.45 | profalbert | or [nostance:0/1/2/3/4/5/6] |
| 08:07.10 | profalbert | wait |
| 08:07.22 | profalbert | [stance:0] is for not any stance |
| 08:07.57 | profalbert | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro |
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| 08:11.31 | Megalon | Arrowmaster: easy for every class, just switch specs ;o |
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| 08:20.21 | kandarz | [mod:ctrl][nostance] doesn't work, It kept my resto bar up when I got turned into a skeleton in DTK last boss |
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| 08:24.50 | profalbert | that's not a stance, rather an bonusactionbar-condition right? |
| 08:25.23 | kandarz | RegisterStateDriver(BonusActionBarFrame, "visibility", "[mod:ctrl]hide;[stance:0]hide;show") |
| 08:25.46 | kandarz | It's a secure state driver toggling visibility of the Bonus Action Bar while in combat |
| 08:26.42 | kandarz | I had problems with taint as I was trying to Unregister the driver in combat that would make it so my Bonus Action bar was being shown in human form during combat if I shifted out of shapeshift |
| 08:26.44 | profalbert | yes, maybe you want to look at how bartender4 handles it. (I mean look at the options not the code) |
| 08:27.24 | kandarz | Bartender is way different, it alters the actions of the buttons. I'm only hiding a frame. |
| 08:28.15 | profalbert | bartender4 has to statedrivers |
| 08:28.21 | profalbert | one for the state and one for visibility |
| 08:28.35 | profalbert | *2 statedrivers |
| 08:29.58 | profalbert | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Conditionals |
| 08:30.03 | profalbert | bonusbar:5 â The possess bar is active (controlling a vehicle or another player) |
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| 08:30.35 | profalbert | [mod:ctrl]hide;[stance:0]hide;[bonusbar:5]hide;show |
| 08:30.44 | Megalon | perhaps nostance doesn't evaluate to true when you are a skeleton :x |
| 08:31.00 | profalbert | bonusbar:5 should |
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| 08:39.33 | asmodai | Mmm, GTX 470 and 480 will be introduced end March |
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| 08:40.14 | Shefki | asmodai: You sure? |
| 08:40.31 | kandarz | maybe resetting the modem and router will make my connection stable |
| 08:41.28 | asmodai | Shefki: http://twitter.com/nvidiageforce |
| 08:41.33 | asmodai | Right on my boithday |
| 08:44.10 | nevcairiel | the 460 even seemed affordable |
| 08:48.09 | nevcairiel | but its not in the first release wave |
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| 08:53.05 | Fisker | @project blessed |
| 08:53.08 | Repo | Fisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 49 days ago |
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| 08:57.51 | Megalon | probably dead by now |
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| 09:14.35 | Fisker | anyway nice that fermi is out next month :3 |
| 09:14.41 | Fisker | btw Megalon |
| 09:14.46 | Fisker | i just got my second SC2 key |
| 09:14.50 | Fisker | what about you? |
| 09:17.33 | renchap | i got my key too |
| 09:17.43 | renchap | but does not works with linux, and mac client not available |
| 09:17.44 | renchap | \o/ |
| 09:18.25 | Fisker | l2windows |
| 09:18.49 | profalbert | but it's hard ;) |
| 09:21.46 | renchap | never. |
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| 09:27.45 | Fisker | well i troll u then renchap |
| 09:29.09 | robotusch | Fisker, did I tell you how much I appreciate you occasionally? |
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| 09:34.03 | Repo | 10everyquest-questgivers: 03kandarz * r27 addon.lua: Fix showing quest names in tooltips. Fix no LibQTip |
| 09:35.50 | Adirelle | is there some FAQ about the Curse store besides the ones about taxes ? |
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| 10:04.12 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp * r2865 / (2 files in 2 directories): add some itemid's to some enchanting recipes |
| 10:07.22 | Fisker | why so robotusch ? |
| 10:07.39 | nevcairiel | Adirelle: any particular info you're looking for? |
| 10:08.14 | Adirelle | nevcairiel, info about the workflow and maybe the average "delivery" delay |
| 10:08.32 | Adirelle | I just saw something about 2 months |
| 10:08.54 | nevcairiel | money orders are sent once a month, usually at the beginning, gift certs are sent when kaelten or ckk approve them, you can bug them to make it go faster :p |
| 10:09.04 | Adirelle | ok |
| 10:09.20 | nevcairiel | but its top 2 days or so anyway |
| 10:09.27 | Adirelle | since there is no gift for france yet, I'll wait the next monce |
| 10:09.31 | Adirelle | month* |
| 10:10.02 | nevcairiel | could always order from uk or de |
| 10:10.26 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: did you see what I wrote about the map last night? |
| 10:10.48 | nevcairiel | i saw some hilight, but couldnt find it in the backlog |
| 10:10.50 | Adirelle | well, my "local" computer store accepts paypal payments, so that's not so bad |
| 10:10.59 | vhaarr | yeah some nubs spammed the channel right after |
| 10:11.34 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: I have two new characters created recently, and the map does not open on them when I have Mapster enabled. The map open sound is heard when I click M, but nothing happens. |
| 10:11.52 | nevcairiel | i bet its off screen somewhere |
| 10:12.11 | vhaarr | one of them is a DK, which I haven't tried before, and in their starting area I just figured it was a blizzard thing |
| 10:12.27 | vhaarr | but when I got to hellfire peninsula I started getting worried and tried disabling mapster |
| 10:12.44 | vhaarr | the other character is a banker so I never used the map on him before, but it doesn't work on him either |
| 10:15.23 | nevcairiel | i have a char with no mapster SV data and it seems to work fine |
| 10:15.50 | nevcairiel | you sure all required stuff is enabled? |
| 10:16.24 | nevcairiel | hm nah that cant be it, if i disable a lib i get the default map again |
| 10:16.50 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: irrsi? /lastlog -hilight <number> |
| 10:17.00 | nevcairiel | why would i use irssi? |
| 10:17.21 | nevcairiel | i have a mouse, and i intend to use it |
| 10:17.24 | nevcairiel | down with text interfaces |
| 10:17.25 | SunTsu | because of /lastlog -hilight for instance :) |
| 10:18.19 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: could always try to reset the profile, maybe the positioning got messed up, but that would kinda mean you had old values in there somehow, which doesmt make sense |
| 10:19.25 | nevcairiel | unless you use character specific profiles on all your other chars, and yout "Default" profile got old values in it |
| 10:19.28 | nevcairiel | which is what it defaults to |
| 10:19.32 | vhaarr | I do |
| 10:19.41 | vhaarr | no wait |
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| 10:19.48 | miica | :3 |
| 10:20.04 | vhaarr | eh, well I haven't configured Mapster, basically |
| 10:20.09 | miica | good morning |
| 10:20.22 | vhaarr | so if it defaults to using character specific profiles, then I am |
| 10:20.31 | nevcairiel | it defaults to a global profile |
| 10:20.41 | nevcairiel | since map .. no big character specific stuff in there |
| 10:22.45 | SunTsu | hey miica |
| 10:22.53 | miica | aye |
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| 10:24.13 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7387 Citadel/LichKing.lua: Citadel/LichKing: use berserk in normal. |
| 10:31.20 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r327 oRA3.lua: Fix the scroll entries on the tank panel. |
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| 10:37.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | good morning |
| 10:47.49 | asmodai | morn syl |
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| 11:07.01 | asmodai | Fisker: Love that failed proxy video btw |
| 11:08.30 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r159 query.lua: Fix nil unknowns on import |
| 11:09.45 | Fisker | asmodai |
| 11:09.52 | asmodai | Yes? |
| 11:09.53 | Fisker | i just pissed someone off |
| 11:09.53 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:10.19 | Fisker | He said |
| 11:10.21 | Fisker | "k cabron" |
| 11:10.23 | Fisker | then "asi se juega a una beta clap" |
| 11:11.11 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/43c811e87bdaf19e7368141e6700ff52.Jpg |
| 11:11.12 | Fisker | :D:DD:D |
| 11:11.16 | asmodai | clap? crap I guess? |
| 11:11.21 | Fisker | i dunno |
| 11:11.27 | Fisker | cabron = male goat apparently |
| 11:11.48 | asmodai | Strange |
| 11:12.01 | Fisker | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cabron |
| 11:12.30 | asmodai | How did you manage to piss him off? |
| 11:12.33 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/43c811e87bdaf19e7368141e6700ff52.Jpg |
| 11:12.54 | [Ammo] | what a butt ugly game |
| 11:13.02 | Fisker | fuck you [Ammo] |
| 11:13.09 | [Ammo] | well it looks shit |
| 11:13.14 | Wobin | asmodai, pft |
| 11:13.15 | [Ammo] | what game is it? |
| 11:13.15 | nevcairiel | looks exactly like sc1 with a bit better gfx |
| 11:13.18 | Wobin | what a -silly- question |
| 11:13.20 | Fisker | To be fair the compression it uses sucks a bit |
| 11:13.22 | asmodai | Wobin: I know, I know. >_< |
| 11:13.38 | nevcairiel | [Ammo]: sc2 |
| 11:13.43 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I reckon the engine was substantially overhauled though |
| 11:13.49 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: ah |
| 11:13.55 | [Ammo] | remind me not to get that game |
| 11:13.58 | nevcairiel | i kinda would've expected a bit more, still |
| 11:14.12 | asmodai | More of what? :) |
| 11:14.17 | nevcairiel | from all i've seen its exactly the same game |
| 11:14.24 | nevcairiel | a handful of new units |
| 11:14.28 | nevcairiel | and better gfx |
| 11:15.14 | nevcairiel | If i compare that with Warcraft -> WC2 -> WC3 .. they had alot more change in there |
| 11:15.15 | Fisker | + new story + new maps + new community features + new mapping/modding features + new battle.net features |
| 11:15.18 | Fisker | ALSO OMG ACHIEVEMENTS |
| 11:15.24 | sztanphet | you can feel at home in it if you played sc1 but you wont get away with the same shit |
| 11:15.29 | Fisker | how so nevcairiel ? |
| 11:15.59 | asmodai | I guess they cannot get too crazy though, it would alienate the Korean leagues ;) |
| 11:16.55 | Fisker | having played WC2 i could easily use the same claim with WC2 vs. WC3 |
| 11:17.18 | nevcairiel | jus that WC3 added like 2 new playable races and all that |
| 11:17.30 | [Ammo] | well the game looks like someone pulled some 1995 graphics out of their ass |
| 11:17.36 | Fisker | lol |
| 11:17.51 | [Ammo] | if that screenshot from fisker is representative of it |
| 11:18.00 | krka | SC came in 1998 where almost all games were 3d |
| 11:18.10 | krka | SC stuck with 2d and earned a gazillion users / dollars |
| 11:18.23 | asmodai | So much hate. :( |
| 11:18.27 | Fisker | http://games.softpedia.com/screenshots/Command-Conquer-Red-Alert-Gold-XP-Patch_1.jpeg <-can anyone tell me if that's SC2 or Red Alert 1? |
| 11:18.30 | nevcairiel | 12 years of development, and i still don't see the big "ooooh" |
| 11:18.41 | Fisker | I can't see because of how good the game looks |
| 11:19.13 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I doubt it's been in full development for 12 years though. |
| 11:19.15 | Fisker | SC2 is the best looking RTS on the market |
| 11:19.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | 12 years is a long time |
| 11:19.28 | Repo | 10tradeforwarder (experimental): 03warbaby * r3 TradeForwarder.lua: a serious bug... |
| 11:20.05 | Fisker | http://videogamesrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/command-and-conquer-4-in-game.jpg |
| 11:20.11 | Fisker | as a comparison |
| 11:20.15 | Repo | 10tradeforwarder (experimental): 03warbaby 041.12 * r4 : Tagging as 1.12 |
| 11:20.17 | asmodai | SC heavily leans on the gameplay and balancing. Something C&C totally lost with recent versions. :( |
| 11:20.51 | nevcairiel | i didnt really play C&C much since RA1 |
| 11:21.15 | krka | strange to find a bunch of "ooh, graphics is everything"-people in a channel focused on wow :P |
| 11:21.35 | asmodai | krka: *grin* |
| 11:21.35 | krka | i'd expect that in #<latest first player shooter> |
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| 11:22.36 | nevcairiel | somehow i think that C&C 4 screenshot there looks better |
| 11:22.47 | nevcairiel | but i hate game play of those full 3d rts games |
| 11:22.53 | Wobin | well |
| 11:22.59 | Wobin | it's the 'new' game |
| 11:23.05 | Wobin | that's intending to be all the rage |
| 11:23.10 | Wobin | so it had -better- be pretty |
| 11:23.23 | [Ammo] | krka: WoW looks pretty good in a cartoony way, it all fits together |
| 11:23.34 | [Ammo] | unlike for instances the stickered on characters of conan |
| 11:23.34 | nevcairiel | Yeah, i actually like the cartoony looks |
| 11:23.45 | nevcairiel | the faked real looks are really worse |
| 11:24.09 | nevcairiel | WoW could use a new engine, but its not *bad* |
| 11:25.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | what does repo publish via mercurial - i forget - the 'default' branch? |
| 11:26.16 | Wobin | mainline? |
| 11:26.19 | nevcairiel | i think its called "default" in mercurial, yes |
| 11:26.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats what i thought |
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| 11:59.08 | wink | nevcairiel: new quartz looks awesome |
| 11:59.53 | nevcairiel | of course it does :) |
| 11:59.55 | wink | apart from me missing the "settings lost due to ace3 conversion" :P I read it here but couldn't make the connection to ingame. |
| 12:00.13 | wink | until I saw the shield some hours later |
| 12:01.48 | nevcairiel | luckily most people dont change configuration of it much |
| 12:01.56 | nevcairiel | maybe another texture and slightly different positions |
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| 12:17.32 | Fisker | i giggle every time asmodai |
| 12:20.36 | asmodai | Fisker: About what? |
| 12:21.19 | SunTsu | maybe he sees himself in the mirror |
| 12:22.27 | asmodai | Heh |
| 12:22.29 | asmodai | Ye gods |
| 12:22.34 | Fisker | everytime i win with a rush |
| 12:22.39 | robotusch | oh u |
| 12:22.42 | asmodai | Now I remember why I disliked zenburn as colour scheme. It just tends to blend into each other. |
| 12:22.47 | Fisker | Actually just got matched with a ranked 56th in the gold league |
| 12:22.56 | asmodai | and won? |
| 12:22.59 | Fisker | nope :( |
| 12:23.01 | Fisker | but it was close |
| 12:23.08 | Fisker | i think one of my buildings were just in range of one of his |
| 12:23.09 | Fisker | so he saw it |
| 12:23.13 | asmodai | >_< |
| 12:26.00 | Fisker | i want to do something else than rush though :( |
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| 12:36.34 | asmodai | Fisker: That's the problem of SC, the game that invented the Zerg rush :( |
| 12:36.57 | nevcairiel | its also the game that invented the zergs |
| 12:37.32 | nevcairiel | but thats one of the reasons why i'm not into rts much |
| 12:37.37 | nevcairiel | everything is just rush rush |
| 12:37.40 | nevcairiel | i like building stuff |
| 12:38.04 | haste | nah, it's about planning and balancing between defending and attacking :P |
| 12:38.05 | nevcairiel | and planning attacks, instead of just surprise rush or brute force |
| 12:41.02 | Megalon | it's about timing |
| 12:41.39 | Megalon | and planning |
| 12:47.36 | Megalon | and yea, if you time/plan and your opponent doesn't |
| 12:47.36 | Megalon | it won't be a long game |
| 12:47.36 | Megalon | but that's true for any rts |
| 12:47.41 | nevcairiel | arent there maps that required you to have flying units to cross over water or similar? |
| 12:49.59 | asmodai | nevcairiel: at least inside the campaign of SC1. Not sure for the skirmish ones. |
| 12:50.13 | haste | wouldn't protoss be kinda gimped then or? |
| 12:50.23 | nevcairiel | they have shuttles, and carriers! |
| 12:50.30 | haste | carriers don't carry! |
| 12:50.31 | nevcairiel | i loved carriers |
| 12:50.35 | nevcairiel | they are so awesome |
| 12:50.45 | haste | and they are countered so easily :D |
| 12:51.08 | nevcairiel | everything has a working countermeasure |
| 12:51.12 | nevcairiel | but they are still fun |
| 12:55.14 | krka | i was pretty awesome at my carrier/observer/corsair combo |
| 12:55.44 | krka | worked against mostly anything with some proper micro |
| 12:56.55 | olafski | with nevcairiel :P |
| 12:57.09 | olafski | supreme commander has buildings that take like 30 minutes to build yet nobody uses them |
| 12:57.30 | nevcairiel | 30 minutes is pretty long :p |
| 12:57.41 | olafski | yeah |
| 12:57.46 | olafski | you can use more builders of course ;) |
| 12:58.04 | olafski | but who doesn't want artillery that can shoot across the entire map |
| 12:58.06 | krka | island maps in SC1 were pretty cool for more tactical gameplay |
| 13:02.25 | nevcairiel | anyone good with ruby on rails here? |
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| 13:08.26 | olafski | how good ;) |
| 13:09.43 | nevcairiel | i think i figured it out already |
| 13:09.53 | olafski | that be good mon |
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| 13:26.41 | Fisker | lol asmodai |
| 13:26.47 | Fisker | i got cannon rushed |
| 13:27.50 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a7605b9c1999ea1891b5bda453724cd9.Jpg |
| 13:29.12 | asmodai | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfl279o_Cko&hd=1 |
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| 13:31.24 | asmodai | Fisker: Wait, he built cannons leading up to your base? |
| 13:32.30 | Megalon | what were you doing in that game |
| 13:32.36 | Megalon | powering for 6mins |
| 13:32.47 | Megalon | and started scouting at 7:01? |
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| 13:35.45 | Fisker | :3? |
| 13:36.09 | Fisker | i redirect you to the upper left corner Megalon |
| 13:36.24 | Fisker | right* |
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| 13:39.50 | bluspacecow | \o fisker |
| 13:42.50 | Groktar | wtb screenshot of massive zerg rush |
| 13:43.17 | asmodai | 20/66? |
| 13:43.42 | asmodai | only 20 |
| 13:44.25 | Fisker | i walled myself in with pylons :P |
| 13:44.53 | Fisker | had seen he had 2 gateways without any units around it so figured he were rushing me |
| 13:45.01 | Fisker | so i said "no screw you" |
| 13:45.20 | asmodai | Before he crushed you |
| 13:45.23 | asmodai | ? :) |
| 13:45.25 | Fisker | he didn't :) |
| 13:45.33 | Fisker | He sent his zealots back |
| 13:45.36 | Fisker | They got crushed by me |
| 13:45.41 | Fisker | all but like 1 probe got killed |
| 13:45.47 | Fisker | his entire base was killed |
| 13:46.06 | Fisker | The only thing he had left was a probe, and those canons + pylons :P |
| 13:46.43 | Fisker | Well i actually think he went to build a new nexus |
| 13:46.54 | Fisker | But at that point i was teching void rays anyway |
| 13:48.05 | olafski | what's that big unit on 4 legs he builds next to his hatcheries? |
| 13:48.18 | Fisker | a queen |
| 13:48.30 | Fisker | it's the zerg macro mechanic |
| 13:48.39 | Fisker | pretty damn fucked up in a good players hand |
| 13:50.18 | olafski | hmm |
| 13:50.24 | olafski | queens must have changed since the original then I guess |
| 13:51.03 | olafski | I like how nicely disgusting they made the zerg look again |
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| 14:16.41 | KriLL3 | can you zoom in far? |
| 14:16.50 | KriLL3 | remember you couldn't zoom at all in SC |
| 14:17.13 | KriLL3 | not very strategic but it's nice to zoom in on detailed stuff |
| 14:17.18 | olafski | zooming in sounds like a very important feature in an rts.. nothing gives you control like looking at a zergling up close ;) |
| 14:17.32 | olafski | in that video they did zoom a bit.. dunno if that was as far as you can go though |
| 14:17.44 | KriLL3 | heh true, but it looks cool, and good for story bits, zoom in on the characters |
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| 14:20.51 | quiescens | there wasn't really any more um |
| 14:20.57 | quiescens | detail, to see in the original starcraft |
| 14:21.20 | quiescens | it was essentially sprites wasn't it? |
| 14:21.24 | olafski | yes |
| 14:21.58 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 14:22.35 | Fisker | nah it was dx11 powered back then |
| 14:22.55 | KriLL3 | was SC out before WC3? it was right? |
| 14:23.04 | KriLL3 | WC3 was blizzard's first 3D game |
| 14:23.37 | KriLL3 | which was nice for them, since you didn't have to re-animate your characters in all 6 directions when you tweaked something, and all their animations in those directions |
| 14:23.57 | olafski | maybe they used 3d characters but just saved the rendered versions as sprites in sc |
| 14:23.59 | KriLL3 | in 3D you just modify the model |
| 14:24.18 | olafski | but yeah, wc3 was released 4 years after sc it seems |
| 14:24.18 | KriLL3 | yeah, though some manual effort would still be required |
| 14:24.26 | olafski | you could automate that process |
| 14:24.27 | krka | i think SC stuff was rendered mostly |
| 14:24.41 | olafski | not much more manual stuff is needed than if you use 3d models in the game |
| 14:24.57 | KriLL3 | olafski: to a certain extent, but 3d models don't rasterize well |
| 14:25.09 | KriLL3 | can get quite muddled |
| 14:25.12 | olafski | so you use proper rendering settings |
| 14:25.19 | olafski | I'm sure they didn't manually export all those units |
| 14:26.20 | krka | it's not too many though |
| 14:26.33 | krka | they probably did automatic export up until beta |
| 14:26.40 | krka | then the artists handtweaked them |
| 14:26.46 | krka | never to be modified again |
| 14:26.51 | KriLL3 | olafski: well if you listen to blizzcast you'd know they did actually have to tweak by hand |
| 14:26.52 | olafski | good point :> |
| 14:27.07 | olafski | meh blizzcast |
| 14:27.16 | KriLL3 | and WC3 was a big improvement, since they didn't have to do that anymore |
| 14:27.18 | olafski | listened to one, then I decided I'd rather waste my time otherwise :P |
| 14:27.39 | KriLL3 | I like listening to podcasts while doing other stuff, commuting, grinding, daily heroic etc |
| 14:27.57 | olafski | I watch shows/movies while I do that |
| 14:28.05 | olafski | well, I don't grind or commute |
| 14:28.17 | KriLL3 | I watch shows & movies also |
| 14:28.19 | olafski | but while playing wow I like to watch shows/movies, or listen to music if I'm not playing alone |
| 14:28.25 | KriLL3 | same |
| 14:28.30 | KriLL3 | multiple monitors ftw |
| 14:28.41 | olafski | indeed |
| 14:28.50 | olafski | next weekend I'm going to see if my old monitor can be fixed |
| 14:29.04 | olafski | I'm still not getting used to my new one so would be nice if I could give that to my gf instead |
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| 14:29.59 | KriLL3 | what kind of monitor is the old one and what's wrong? |
| 14:30.07 | olafski | it died, a dell 2407 wfp |
| 14:30.18 | olafski | gotta find out what died, if it's easy to replace that would be nice |
| 14:30.24 | KriLL3 | most likely the capacitors |
| 14:30.30 | KriLL3 | and they're easy to replace |
| 14:30.34 | olafski | I bought a new screen.. much cheaper and that's noticable |
| 14:30.50 | olafski | well that would be good :) then my gf can have this cheapass thing and I can have my pretty colors again |
| 14:30.50 | KriLL3 | yeah you get what you pay for generally with screens |
| 14:30.55 | KriLL3 | though TN screens are kinda samy |
| 14:31.01 | olafski | she actually likes the colors of the new one better |
| 14:31.16 | KriLL3 | are they exaggerated? |
| 14:31.25 | olafski | I find them too bland |
| 14:31.34 | olafski | could be that I was used to exaggerated colors though |
| 14:31.44 | KriLL3 | hmm true |
| 14:31.44 | olafski | but I want it to look as it used to look, don't care if it's "proper" colors ;) |
| 14:32.01 | KriLL3 | Nvidia added an option to blow up all colors in their drivers at some point, no idea what possessed them |
| 14:32.24 | olafski | :) |
| 14:32.27 | KriLL3 | I prefer proper colors, you get used to them and feel like it's saturated |
| 14:32.46 | KriLL3 | kinda like putting less sugar in your coffee/tea, do it long enough and it tastes as sweet |
| 14:33.10 | KriLL3 | as long as you don't drink soda or some other sugar in liquid form disguised as a beverage |
| 14:33.14 | olafski | sure.. but why do something you hate for a few months just to get used to it when you can solve it in a way where you don't have to do something you hate? :P |
| 14:33.34 | olafski | when I was younger I got used to drinking beer.. sure didn't like the taste of that at first |
| 14:33.46 | olafski | dunno why we do that.. peer pressure I guess |
| 14:33.54 | olafski | I've been drinking coffee for years now but I still hate the taste :P |
| 14:34.29 | KriLL3 | I like the taste actually, well with some milk |
| 14:34.41 | olafski | I have mine black.. but I only drink coffee when I have guests |
| 14:34.47 | olafski | and even then only half a cup else my stomach turns upside down |
| 14:35.03 | SunTsu | olafski: then, why dring it? |
| 14:35.15 | SunTsu | drink even |
| 14:35.27 | olafski | dunno really.. to blend in for lack of a better word ;) |
| 14:35.39 | olafski | even though all my friends know my stomach can't really stand coffee |
| 14:36.19 | SunTsu | olafski: all my friends know that I don't drin coffee, and they only expect to get served tea when they visit me |
| 14:36.19 | olafski | also because I'm too lazy to make tea just for myself, and because it doesn't have a lot of calories in it ;) |
| 14:36.36 | arkanes | olafski: you might try some different coffees |
| 14:36.48 | SunTsu | I don't even have a coffee machine, nor coffee |
| 14:36.49 | arkanes | if its the oils that make your stomach upset for example |
| 14:36.51 | olafski | could do but it's pretty much a proven fact that I can't stand caffein |
| 14:37.26 | arkanes | well tea has caffeine in it too |
| 14:37.31 | arkanes | bah I can't talk, I have a meeting |
| 14:37.32 | olafski | sure but much less |
| 14:37.43 | olafski | I think my stomach is getting better though.. used to have trouble with it nearly every day and now it hardly ever hurts anymore :) |
| 14:37.44 | arkanes | olafski: depends on the type of tea but no, not really |
| 14:37.47 | SunTsu | arkanes: depends on what tea you are talking about |
| 14:38.04 | arkanes | black teas will have about the same |
| 14:38.13 | SunTsu | arkanes: roijboos and herbal teas don't have caffeein |
| 14:38.35 | arkanes | the difference is between "none" and "about the same", though |
| 14:38.47 | arkanes | gone for real :) |
| 14:38.54 | olafski | see ya :) |
| 14:39.30 | SunTsu | green tea actually has more, but releases it in a slower way, therefore it lasts longer but doesn't give you the kick |
| 14:40.09 | olafski | I better stick to herbal tea then |
| 14:40.38 | olafski | doc told me to consume as little as possible of caffeine, alcohol, fat, sugar.. pretty much anything that is nice |
| 14:40.43 | SunTsu | olafski: or roijboos, which tates, quite fine, IMHO |
| 14:40.55 | olafski | oh I don't like that =( |
| 14:41.14 | SunTsu | tastes even - I really need some new fingers, the old ones always miss |
| 14:41.33 | olafski | have about 30 different teas standing on the counter, I try a different one every time.. I like "sweet wood" if that's an english term :) |
| 14:41.49 | olafski | guess not |
| 14:41.58 | olafski | oh it's called Liquorice in english :) |
| 14:42.31 | krka | lakrits! |
| 14:42.46 | krka | dutch liquorice is pretty bad, swedish tastes much better! |
| 14:42.50 | Yivry | ello all... question, is there a way to detect if the game is running in the fore- or background? |
| 14:42.56 | olafski | psh krka |
| 14:42.59 | SunTsu | I normally drink black tea, but then I really don't have to care about caffeine, I can drink as much as I want to and still sleep like a baby |
| 14:43.02 | krka | Yivry: look at the screen |
| 14:43.04 | nevcairiel | yeah the swedish produce some awesome liquorice |
| 14:43.13 | olafski | I like both types of liquorice |
| 14:43.16 | Yivry | for an addon, not for a human :p |
| 14:43.20 | olafski | at least I think I've tried swedish liquorice :) |
| 14:43.22 | Thrae | Yivry: Progrmatically, or by sight? |
| 14:43.27 | krka | Yivry: no botting allowed :( |
| 14:43.47 | Yivry | addon cant be bot ;) |
| 14:43.51 | olafski | suntsu: I only notice the downsides of caffeine usually ;) |
| 14:44.00 | olafski | doesn't keep me awake at all |
| 14:44.08 | krka | addon can simplify bot |
| 14:44.13 | SunTsu | Yivry: there was some addon that audible tells you about things that happen when you tabbed out, so yes, there must be a way |
| 14:44.19 | Thrae | Yivry: Addons can't interact with programs outside of WoW except on a /reloadui, which is the only time they're allowed to write something somewhere vulnerable. |
| 14:44.37 | krka | addons cant check active/inactive state for the wow context |
| 14:44.47 | quiescens | he didn't say he wanted a bot or to interact with outside programs o.o |
| 14:45.02 | olafski | http://www.wowace.com/addons/alt-tab-toggle/ <-- Alt-Tab Toggle (ATT) will force WoW to the foreground on events when you're alt-tabbed. Optionally you can choose to only play a sound when one of these events fire. Then you can tab back into WoW at your leisure. |
| 14:45.05 | nevcairiel | He didnt say he didnt want to, either! |
| 14:45.09 | SunTsu | olafski: fun thing is: when I'm wide awake caffeine makes me tired, and makes me wide awake when I am already tired |
| 14:45.51 | SunTsu | wasn't there a bug recently that prohibitted addons to run while the game is in background? |
| 14:46.14 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: if it makes you awake when you're tired, isnt it how its supposed to work? |
| 14:46.34 | olafski | yeah suntsu there was that bug I think |
| 14:46.45 | olafski | nevcairiel: but it also works the other way around |
| 14:46.52 | olafski | seems to be like some kind of toggle ;) |
| 14:47.23 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: yeah, but when I'm awake it does the opposite thing |
| 14:47.37 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: which I doubt is the way itÃs supposed to work |
| 14:47.57 | nevcairiel | but since you know that, you can workaround that "bug" :d |
| 14:48.20 | olafski | :) |
| 14:48.46 | Thrae | Ah, these "Foreground/Background" checkers are basically an elaborate way of checking the FPS which is naturally 0 (or around so) when its not rendering anything, like when minimized. |
| 14:48.46 | olafski | all I know is that it makes my stomach hurt and it makes me have to go to the toilet a lot |
| 14:48.59 | olafski | smart idea |
| 14:50.20 | nevcairiel | that sounds like really bad coffee |
| 14:50.34 | olafski | they also note it doesn't work when you play windowed, which is what most people I know do |
| 14:50.34 | nevcairiel | i used to get that from the sucky coffee at work |
| 14:50.50 | olafski | nevcairiel: I get it from pretty much anything.. got a "midriff breach" |
| 14:50.55 | Thrae | WoW was changed a long time ago so that the main, graphics, sound, and network threads are all separate and can be shut down separately. I remember when the first addition was made to allow sounds to continue when a minimize event is done. |
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| 14:51.07 | olafski | nevcairiel: it's a lot better now, since I went on a diet :) |
| 14:52.04 | nevcairiel | Thrae: since 3.3 the sound in background breaks too, though |
| 14:52.04 | Thrae | Was nice for BGs |
| 14:52.04 | nevcairiel | they messed something up there |
| 14:52.04 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Really? That sucks. Probably them trying to upgrade the engine to be more thread-smart with more people running multiple cores and multiple logical cores. |
| 14:52.36 | Thrae | Which, in a gaming engine, is a PITA as John Carmack said (although what does he know, he just got bought out by EA) |
| 14:53.02 | Thrae | Waaait |
| 14:53.03 | pentium166 | ea? |
| 14:53.03 | SunTsu | WoW running under wine never notices if it's in background or not :) |
| 14:53.10 | Thrae | No, he got bought out by ZeniMax Media |
| 14:53.29 | Thrae | I'm getting my super-producers mixed up. |
| 14:53.35 | olafski | if they own john carmack, perhaps they can give him a haircut |
| 14:53.49 | olafski | and new glasses and perhaps a suit |
| 14:53.57 | Thrae | Hehe, John Carmack doesn't actually own id Software, he's technically a "Technical Advisor" |
| 14:54.19 | Thrae | These days I think his name and worth is about as much as Sid Meirs |
| 14:54.58 | Thrae | People want cross-platform (console) compatibility and John Carmack has always been a big PC gaming developer. |
| 14:55.01 | olafski | as long as he stays away from molyneux all is fine |
| 14:55.27 | olafski | yeah, in 5 years it'll be just carmack and blizzard developing games for pc :) |
| 14:55.48 | Thrae | Well, I want him to improve Bethesda's Fallout 3 (Gamebyro-based) engine for New Vegas. |
| 14:56.02 | pentium166 | not going to happen because bethesda is stubborn :( |
| 14:56.06 | nevcairiel | doesnt he usually just cook up his own engines? |
| 14:56.15 | KriLL3 | Thrae: better if they drop it and make a new one or use a better one |
| 14:56.28 | KriLL3 | it's old, broken and horrible |
| 14:56.36 | Thrae | olafski: More like Blizzard will be the only one developing games for MACs in 5 years |
| 14:56.48 | olafski | I assume macs will be abandoned before that |
| 14:56.59 | Thrae | Nah, Apple has marketing juju |
| 14:57.07 | olafski | and handwaving |
| 14:57.11 | KriLL3 | but but, steve says apple takes gaming seriously! |
| 14:57.28 | Thrae | They do take it seriously, just no one else takes it seriously |
| 14:57.34 | Thrae | s/it/them/ |
| 14:57.45 | Thrae | Damn my regexp! |
| 14:58.16 | olafski | :D |
| 14:58.32 | Thrae | KriLL3: It's Gamebyro which is the problem, but New Vegas would get a nice bump even from the newest Gamebyro which has DX11 support |
| 14:58.35 | olafski | there's warcraft 3, and that puzzle game with the apple logo.... photoshop.. |
| 14:59.06 | Thrae | Thankfully, New Vegas is not being developed by Bethesda |
| 14:59.35 | pentium166 | does bethesda even upgrade gamebryo anymore though? i was under the impression that they had gone their own way with it |
| 15:00.00 | Thrae | Unfortunately, Oblivion (the subdivision) is based off Black Isle who have not been known for their impressive game engines either. Impressive gameplay, yes. |
| 15:00.28 | Thrae | pentium166: Yeah when they started allowing modding in Morrowind and then again in Oblivion they kinda modded themselves into a corner. |
| 15:00.37 | KriLL3 | they should just be done with it and stop using that old broken thing, UE3 would be better |
| 15:01.10 | Thrae | KriLL3: Old? Gamebyro is still being updated for new standards and recently aqquired a GPGPU division to remain relevant. |
| 15:01.22 | KriLL3 | still, a lot of it is old code |
| 15:01.48 | Thrae | UE3 also sucks Nvidia's e-peen. |
| 15:01.53 | KriLL3 | Fallout3 feels like a re-skin of Oblivion, and it's not very shiny/performance |
| 15:01.56 | Thrae | But then again, so does Bethesda. |
| 15:02.07 | KriLL3 | Thrae: eh? |
| 15:02.39 | Thrae | KriLL3: UE3 is the major promoter of PhysX and now CUDA. |
| 15:02.51 | Thrae | Scratch that, UE, not UE3 |
| 15:02.55 | KriLL3 | which is a good thing |
| 15:03.03 | Thrae | Well both are Nvidia-proprietary |
| 15:03.26 | KriLL3 | actually Nvidia offered PhysX to ATi for free, but they refused |
| 15:03.52 | Thrae | CUDA can be made to work with OpenCL, DirectCompute, and by extension, ATI's Stream, but it's still a PITA to get it work with ATI cards. |
| 15:03.55 | KriLL3 | ATi's stubborn defiance getting in the way of progress yet again |
| 15:04.14 | KriLL3 | Thrae: there is a solution to that problem |
| 15:04.24 | Thrae | KriLL3: It's more about the Intel/Nvidia secret partnership and AMD/ATI's merger. |
| 15:04.27 | KriLL3 | buy Nvidia cards, less suckage |
| 15:04.50 | Thrae | Heh, I'm running one, but Fermi seems less and less exciting. |
| 15:04.54 | KriLL3 | Thrae: you think ATi not wanting PhysX is because of intel/nvidia? right... |
| 15:05.03 | KriLL3 | less? it's super duper powerful |
| 15:05.08 | nevcairiel | CUDA is much more accepted then Stream, and ati still hopes they can push theirs somehow |
| 15:05.20 | KriLL3 | and intel & nvidia aren't buddies atm, they're in a cold war |
| 15:05.29 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Nah, ATI gave up Stream a while ago and fully supports OpenCL. |
| 15:05.51 | KriLL3 | intel dropped all of Nvidia's chipset licenses, and never gave em any for their more recent sockets after LGA775 |
| 15:05.51 | nevcairiel | so does nvidia, but CUDA APIs are still more powerful then OpenCL 1.0, i read somewhere |
| 15:06.01 | Thrae | KriLL3: They're in the type of Cold War where they profit off each other despite hating each other. It's a Love-Hate relationship. |
| 15:06.09 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: well it's more mature, but CUDA will fall behind at some point |
| 15:06.28 | KriLL3 | btw I don't blame intel for dropping nvidia's chipsets, they're crap |
| 15:06.38 | nevcairiel | they used to be good, fwiw |
| 15:06.49 | harl | wuff |
| 15:06.52 | KriLL3 | I've had 3 boards with Nvidia chipsets, all of them had some issues |
| 15:07.02 | KriLL3 | and all ran hotter than the core of the sun |
| 15:07.08 | Thrae | KriLL3: No, *everyone* knew Nvidia's chipsets were crap, including Nvidia, which is why Nvidia dropped themselves |
| 15:07.27 | KriLL3 | Thrae: errm, actually intel did drop their licenses and never gave em any for the recent chipsets |
| 15:07.35 | KriLL3 | means they're not allowed to make any |
| 15:07.38 | nevcairiel | maybe nvidia didnt ask :d |
| 15:07.51 | KriLL3 | and nvidia made a very huffy statement |
| 15:08.12 | Thrae | Yeah, but Nvidia *could* have plodded along or seriously filed suit (their current suit is more treading water) |
| 15:08.12 | KriLL3 | the PR equivalent of "It's on bitch!" |
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| 15:08.39 | KriLL3 | I have Nvidia started licensing SLI to Intel chipsets yet? |
| 15:09.19 | Thrae | Even though Intel and Nvidia hate each other viciously, I could see Intel buying Nvidia in 2011 depending on how AMD/ATI's "Fusion" works out. |
| 15:09.43 | KriLL3 | is that the plan on putting the GPU on the CPU dye? |
| 15:09.57 | SunTsu | if only ATI wouldn't suck with X.org and wine... |
| 15:10.03 | KriLL3 | Intel is already doing that, though their graphics aren't all that good |
| 15:10.05 | Thrae | Especially since Nvidia's Optimus will probably make a lot of money for both companies, and favours Intel at the moment. |
| 15:10.18 | nevcairiel | I like how nvidia even has Xorg 1.8 drivers already, and ati still doesnt have 1.7 drivers |
| 15:10.37 | Thrae | Well, Intel's Larabee is still around, but it looks like it'll only be for serious rendering needs. |
| 15:10.42 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: yeah, and not only for linux but FreeBSD, too |
| 15:10.59 | KriLL3 | my Eee 1005P has a new atom Pineview-M, onboard graphics on the CPU |
| 15:11.09 | KriLL3 | not terribly powerful graphics, but still graphics |
| 15:11.33 | Thrae | I remember when ATI used to be the un-sung OSS hero with their great OpenGL *and* *nix support, but they lapsed on pretty much everything software and went hardcore hardware and now Nvidia is beating them on both software AND hardware. |
| 15:11.56 | KriLL3 | SoC is kinda cool |
| 15:12.27 | KriLL3 | though the issue is ofc that you have to upgrade everything if you upgrade something |
| 15:12.53 | Thrae | I think it's also partly AMD's fault. AMD has had good architecture ideas back during the Pentium 4 days, but recently they've just been rehashing the same thing just like ATI has and just trying to cram more transistors on smaller dies. |
| 15:12.56 | KriLL3 | and I guess it's less optimal from a cooling standpoint |
| 15:13.32 | nevcairiel | I'm still curious what ATI has in the shop for the 6xxx series, if they dont come up with a new architecture like nvidia has now, they'll drop fast |
| 15:13.42 | Thrae | We'll see how ATI does with "Evergreen", but my sources say it's going to just be more rehashes and not a new architecture. |
| 15:13.50 | KriLL3 | not really sure what ATI/AMD can do that this point to get back ahead, they can get ahead for a short time but like with the 58xx cards but the Fermi will clobber it |
| 15:14.02 | SunTsu | Thrae: you realize that Intel took over amd64 as architecture and made it their own? |
| 15:14.04 | Thrae | Or at least it'll start with rehashes (which, arguably, so is Nvidia doing with the 3xx series) |
| 15:14.21 | Thrae | SunTsu: Yes, which is why I said "they had good ideas in the Pentium 4 days" |
| 15:14.35 | nevcairiel | isnt the 3xx series just those hybrid mobile chips? |
| 15:14.36 | KriLL3 | though frankly intel had a better idea |
| 15:14.43 | KriLL3 | drop x86 |
| 15:14.52 | KriLL3 | new model from the ground up |
| 15:15.12 | KriLL3 | problem would be the transition ofc, but we'd have been better off |
| 15:15.13 | nevcairiel | eh, they wont be able to pull that off |
| 15:15.23 | nevcairiel | i agree that it would be good for all of us |
| 15:15.25 | KriLL3 | think EFI was part of that |
| 15:15.27 | nevcairiel | but it still wont happen |
| 15:15.34 | KriLL3 | instead of BIOS |
| 15:15.35 | Thrae | nevcairiel: No, Nvidia will be rebranding the 2xx (which are mostly rebrands from 9xxx which are mostly rebrands from 8xxx) before they ship out the Fermi, which is 4xx. They've already shipped out 3xx mobile chipsets. |
| 15:15.36 | krka | just add an x86 layer |
| 15:16.04 | KriLL3 | Thrae: actually that's not strictly accurate |
| 15:16.06 | nevcairiel | Thrae: mostly? there is like only one or two 2xx models that are rebrands |
| 15:16.20 | KriLL3 | Nvidia for some weird reason do updated chips / dye shrinks and then call it the exact same |
| 15:16.20 | SunTsu | krka: which will have everybody use that - like most users use i386 mode of amd64 |
| 15:16.25 | haste | Thrae: isn't the fermi fucked beyond repair anyway? |
| 15:16.34 | KriLL3 | 8800 cards went through 3 or more cores |
| 15:16.44 | KriLL3 | which imo is insane |
| 15:16.52 | Thrae | nevcairiel: They're all using the same basic architecture, G80-based |
| 15:16.53 | KriLL3 | don't give new cards the same name as the old one |
| 15:16.54 | krka | SunTsu: sure, until there's a clear performance benefit of using the new architecture |
| 15:17.00 | KriLL3 | Thrae: no |
| 15:17.01 | krka | which requires work on compilers i suppose |
| 15:17.06 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Just better hardware sometimes |
| 15:17.11 | nevcairiel | Thrae: eh most use the G200 chips |
| 15:17.31 | KriLL3 | G80, G82, G92, G200 |
| 15:17.41 | KriLL3 | 82 is a dye shrink of 80 |
| 15:17.41 | Thrae | The so-called G200 chips are 100% compatible with G80, they are basically G80s |
| 15:17.46 | KriLL3 | no |
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| 15:18.07 | Thrae | You can't call a die-shrink a new architecture, I'm talking about design here |
| 15:18.11 | KriLL3 | you're confusing the fact that nvidia released cards later with the new cores using the same name |
| 15:18.13 | SunTsu | krka: with amd64 there is, but you get the penalty of needing a different OS variant, different binaries, etc. |
| 15:18.17 | KriLL3 | yes and they're different |
| 15:18.38 | Thrae | Moore's Law doesn't make a new design by itself |
| 15:18.45 | Thrae | haste: No |
| 15:18.59 | KriLL3 | G90 is different from G80, not terribly different but different, and the G200 is very different |
| 15:19.00 | haste | Thrae: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/ :D ? |
| 15:19.20 | Thrae | haste: Inside sources just say their fans sound like a windtunnel and they get up to 70c easily |
| 15:19.20 | nevcairiel | haste: that article is absolutely biased |
| 15:19.36 | KriLL3 | haste: check the top articles, that's and Nvidia bashing site |
| 15:19.39 | Thrae | haste: But they still have ~2 months to fix that |
| 15:19.49 | haste | nvidia bashing is always nice |
| 15:19.53 | nevcairiel | the cards are fine, they only have production issues, and those they will fix |
| 15:19.54 | KriLL3 | why? |
| 15:20.04 | haste | because bashing is always nice! |
| 15:20.05 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: ATi's cards still have production issues =P |
| 15:20.18 | KriLL3 | they're still rarer than an honest politician |
| 15:20.44 | Thrae | ATI cards generally have less production issues than Nvidia since ATI's architecture is simplier, even Fermi not included. Their shaders are very simple, which is why DX11 came so easily to them. |
| 15:20.55 | SunTsu | reading someone bashing things is fun - as long as you can make up your own mind and just enjoy the rant |
| 15:21.14 | KriLL3 | not when it's clear they're bashing something just for the sake of doing so |
| 15:21.52 | SunTsu | KriLL3: still you can read it for the fun of it |
| 15:21.52 | Thrae | ATI believes in cramming as much as they can onto their die and calling it "good", while Nvidia is actually attempting a new architecture with promise for the future and people are bashing Nvidia just because they're taking so long. |
| 15:22.01 | olafski | while we're on the topic of graphics cards.. do druid tanks have a good way to pull a ranged mob? |
| 15:22.16 | KriLL3 | olafski: faerie fire |
| 15:22.23 | Thrae | olafski: Faerie Fire or just a simple Taunt |
| 15:22.24 | KriLL3 | not good, but it's all we have |
| 15:22.28 | olafski | does that grab the mob towards you? :s |
| 15:22.35 | KriLL3 | errm |
| 15:22.42 | KriLL3 | no tank has that except DKs |
| 15:22.48 | olafski | I was thinking more like heroic throw, death grip or avenger's shield |
| 15:22.55 | Thrae | olafski: Faerie Fire while in Bear Form does damage and high threat |
| 15:23.06 | olafski | granted only death grips works on archers, but HT / AS silence so that works |
| 15:23.14 | KriLL3 | even in catform it does some threat |
| 15:23.14 | Gnarfoz | every class can do it |
| 15:23.24 | SunTsu | olafski: they could moonfire and switch to bear afterwards - but normally faerie fire is enough |
| 15:23.24 | Gnarfoz | it's not about "some", it's about "high threat" |
| 15:23.27 | KriLL3 | ferals have no silence |
| 15:23.29 | mitch0 | just let the mage pull :P |
| 15:23.42 | olafski | I'm having massive trouble getting casters towards me when there's no way to LoS them |
| 15:23.45 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: that's not really viable if you got rage |
| 15:23.55 | KriLL3 | olafski: as someone to silence |
| 15:24.02 | olafski | yeah guess that's the only thing to do |
| 15:24.05 | KriLL3 | though that mage is most likely looking at recount, not the chat |
| 15:24.07 | Thrae | KriLL3: Yeah, but I think it's retooled in Cat to use their threat model, so its more the damage and some threat for putting a debuff on |
| 15:24.31 | SunTsu | KriLL3: yeah, it's a trade off. As I said, FF normally is the way to go |
| 15:24.34 | Thrae | I don't think its the Bear's innate threat buff that's increasing FF's threat THAT much |
| 15:24.36 | KriLL3 | Thrae: I'm not talking threat, just that you got aggro |
| 15:24.52 | Thrae | KriLL3: Well you said threat :D But right, aggro is expected |
| 15:25.08 | olafski | most pugs are annoyingly stupid about such things though |
| 15:25.12 | KriLL3 | if the dps:ers start before the mob reaches me I give the dps:ers the honor of tanking |
| 15:25.14 | Thrae | olafski: So you're having Druid Tanking problems, or problems with Druid Tanks? |
| 15:25.24 | olafski | I'm the tank |
| 15:25.36 | mitch0 | there's your problem |
| 15:25.38 | KriLL3 | and yes casters are a bitch |
| 15:25.46 | KriLL3 | PoS is the worst |
| 15:25.51 | KriLL3 | multiple widely spaced casters |
| 15:25.58 | Thrae | Oh man I still wipe on PoS in PUGs |
| 15:25.58 | olafski | I think about 80% of the hunters I've asked to dispel an enrage or magic effect were like "durr I can't dispell, ask a priest" |
| 15:25.59 | KriLL3 | you need to run around like crazy and swipe em |
| 15:26.18 | olafski | krill3: yeah but I also want to try to have the mobs in front of me so I can dodge :/ |
| 15:26.22 | KriLL3 | dps doesn't dispel/CC, ever. |
| 15:26.27 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I nowadays state "whoever wants aggro keeps it" and actually sat down watching over eager dps "tanking" a group |
| 15:26.29 | Thrae | PoS (H) also pops up a LOT for me |
| 15:26.40 | olafski | even after I tell the hunter "tranq shot can be used to dispel" they go "but I don't have that on my bar" and leave it at that |
| 15:26.41 | KriLL3 | they're too busy nuking that mob you hit once looking at their rising e-peen/dps |
| 15:26.56 | KriLL3 | Thrae: not gotten the new LK instances once in random, no idea why |
| 15:27.06 | olafski | I don't mind PoS much.. it's HoR that I really hate, but I found a great way to _never_ get that as random hc ;) |
| 15:27.10 | SunTsu | olafski: then kick him :> |
| 15:27.11 | Thrae | But really, Druid Tanks are pretty good for PoS (H) because the *real* bitch is Tyrranus one-shotting people |
| 15:27.35 | Thrae | And Druid Tanks can better absorb some 30,000+ damage |
| 15:27.49 | olafski | my druid can't yet ;) |
| 15:27.58 | KriLL3 | Thrae: love that fight, you don't have much time to gain aggro before he roids and you have to avoid, dps meter crazy people get raeped =P |
| 15:28.13 | Thrae | Well the T9 bonus helps with a reduction in Barkskin's cooldown |
| 15:28.15 | olafski | 34.5k hp unbuffed at the moment |
| 15:28.17 | KriLL3 | Thrae: errm, you should lead him around the ice patches, you don't tank him when he roids |
| 15:28.44 | SunTsu | Our healer in PoS yesterday needed 4 tried to realize that standing close to the entrance was a bad idea and that he always got killed because he added mobs |
| 15:28.45 | olafski | I have 3/5 T9, took the ilvl 245 head/shoulders instead of that bonus |
| 15:28.45 | KriLL3 | dps meter crazy hunter that never cared about anything other than his dps got killed by the boss and whined about me not tanking him when he roided... |
| 15:28.47 | KriLL3 | we just laughed |
| 15:29.04 | Thrae | olafski: One thing for 3.3.2 -- Barkskin should be up as much as possible. In Boss fights, you should time it better, but for mobs it should mostly be spammed unless you're having damage-receiving issues. The point is, USE Barkskin as much as possible. |
| 15:29.16 | Thrae | KriLL3: I'm talking about RimFang |
| 15:29.29 | KriLL3 | ah, well don't stand next to the ones he targets |
| 15:29.33 | Thrae | KriLL3: Also, stupid DPS not backing down with Overbrand on them |
| 15:29.45 | KriLL3 | that's not much of an issue for me |
| 15:29.54 | KriLL3 | who does that hurt? them? me? someone spesific? |
| 15:29.56 | olafski | thrae: hm. I don't raid though.. usually I save barkskin for special abilities like that power overwhelming stuff |
| 15:30.04 | olafski | brand hurts you |
| 15:30.08 | olafski | or heals the boss in case of a healer |
| 15:30.15 | KriLL3 | olafski: you shouldn't tank him when he roids, avoid |
| 15:30.19 | olafski | I know |
| 15:30.25 | Thrae | KriLL3: That hurts whoever has aggro on the boss, usually the tank (especially fatal for anyone else) |
| 15:30.27 | KriLL3 | the dps doesn't know that though =P |
| 15:30.28 | olafski | doesn't always work 100% :) |
| 15:30.37 | KriLL3 | love especially that the hunter had ages to feign, but never did |
| 15:30.45 | SunTsu | "When you get a skull, damage stop!" - after the wipe: "Hey, you didn't stop!" "I was my rotation so good, just couldn't stop it1" |
| 15:30.48 | olafski | I try to rotate him so I have my back to an ice patch but that guy is a bitch.. keeps moving about |
| 15:30.54 | Thrae | Yeah, I learned how to kite him cross the ice patches. A lot of tanks don't seem to know that even after doing PoS a few times. |
| 15:30.58 | olafski | suntsu: yeah that happened to me a lot of times too |
| 15:31.04 | olafski | "but I was doing such good dps, didn't want to stop!" |
| 15:31.08 | KriLL3 | olafski: I got that down perfectly, always get punted over an ice patch |
| 15:31.32 | KriLL3 | I've been there like 10 times, first time the day it came out, never been hit by him when he roids |
| 15:31.44 | KriLL3 | though I have to admit that the first time it was mostly luck |
| 15:32.04 | olafski | does it hit you in the way your back is facing? |
| 15:32.08 | KriLL3 | and always at least one dps:er dies from getting aggro during first roid |
| 15:32.08 | olafski | or in the way the boss is facing? |
| 15:32.14 | KriLL3 | boss |
| 15:32.15 | olafski | way->direction |
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| 15:32.27 | olafski | I run around tyrannus, stand with my back to an ice patch, he walks towards me, walks away again and suddenly faces something I didn't want him to face |
| 15:32.41 | KriLL3 | yeah the movement is bugged, just adjust in small increments |
| 15:32.52 | Thrae | olafski: So you're at 34k unbuffed in Bear? Just get as much +Stam as you can with Blue Solids, use Heavy Borean Leather Kit (or better) except for Bracers which can get +40 Stam, and Legs which can get +55 Stamina / +22 Agility. This is damn good pre-raid and even for off-tanking. |
| 15:32.55 | KriLL3 | making him run to you is easiest |
| 15:33.03 | KriLL3 | walk away from him in a direction to make him face where you want |
| 15:33.12 | Thrae | olafski: And of course, Earthsiege Meta |
| 15:33.16 | olafski | thrae: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Druidski =) |
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| 15:33.28 | KriLL3 | make him try to "chase" you |
| 15:33.32 | KriLL3 | instead of turn |
| 15:33.44 | olafski | could do the heavy borean kits I guess.. I went with enchants for now |
| 15:33.53 | olafski | yeah that's usually what I end up doing krill3 |
| 15:33.56 | Thrae | I need to get ThraeBot back up and running -- Flash annoys the hell out of me |
| 15:34.01 | olafski | got a lvl 80 tank of every tank-capable class now :D |
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| 15:34.27 | KriLL3 | olafski: I think the ToC buyable staff is better, though you should go for the harpoon in HoR |
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| 15:34.47 | olafski | buyable staff.. hm |
| 15:34.57 | KriLL3 | you need to get exalted/champion for that |
| 15:35.03 | KriLL3 | so if you haven't done the dailies, don't bother |
| 15:35.26 | Thrae | olafski: Yeah, I'd also go with a Trinket that gives +Stam. Farm Black Heart which is damn good |
| 15:35.32 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 15:35.40 | KriLL3 | too bad it's only in normal ToC |
| 15:35.41 | olafski | I'm not doing HoR :P bah |
| 15:35.47 | KriLL3 | HoR is easy |
| 15:35.47 | olafski | black heart is on my wishlist yeah |
| 15:35.52 | olafski | I'm not done gearing up just yet |
| 15:35.59 | Thrae | HoR (Normal) is easy |
| 15:36.00 | KriLL3 | just get everyone into the corner |
| 15:36.13 | olafski | yeah but I don't want to get HoR heroic as random hc |
| 15:36.18 | KriLL3 | HoR HC is very easy, just gem in into the corner, and make the damn idiot dps:ers actually CC |
| 15:36.19 | olafski | so I'm not doing the quest -> problem solved ;) |
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| 15:36.34 | KriLL3 | *get |
| 15:36.49 | SunTsu | I liked the warrior tank who managed to tank all mobs in the big room |
| 15:36.51 | KriLL3 | a hunter that misdirects the ranged mobs helps a ton also |
| 15:36.57 | KriLL3 | or shoot frost traps |
| 15:37.19 | KriLL3 | my brother did both with his hunter, made the encounter a breeze |
| 15:37.19 | Thrae | olafski: Depending on how your threat is doing, you can also go with +Threat +Def on Gloves |
| 15:37.53 | Thrae | I only find threat an issue in PUGs where I get morons 50% of the time |
| 15:37.54 | olafski | I think it's fine for now |
| 15:38.03 | olafski | I just taunt mobs back if a dps grabs them |
| 15:38.08 | olafski | 6 second cd on that makes it easy enough |
| 15:38.24 | olafski | should get better when I get some more upgrades anyway |
| 15:38.27 | KriLL3 | I hate dps that just keeps going after they overaggro on a mob I'm clearly not focusing on |
| 15:38.31 | KriLL3 | switch you idiot |
| 15:38.44 | olafski | I don't ask questions.. I just soak damage ;) |
| 15:38.59 | KriLL3 | I don't ask questions, I just demand obedience |
| 15:39.01 | olafski | already have more hp buffed than my main though.. druids do have a lot of health :P |
| 15:39.10 | KriLL3 | or I /shadowmeld /laugh |
| 15:39.17 | Thrae | KriLL3: I'm thinking of putting in my main Bear spam macro a /raidtarget indicator for what I'm currently focusing on |
| 15:39.25 | Thrae | Except I need to figure out how to do that |
| 15:39.31 | KriLL3 | Thrae: don't bother, I mark using keybinds, and no one cares |
| 15:39.34 | SunTsu | I'd like to have that harpoon on my hunter, but lfd tool won't let me run HoR until I upgraded some items - for instance my weapon |
| 15:39.42 | Thrae | Better than nothing |
| 15:39.48 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: it's the average item level |
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| 15:40.11 | Thrae | olafski: Also, no 'chant on your Staff of Trickery? You probably won't get a better upgrade until raiding time |
| 15:40.22 | KriLL3 | harpoon is easy to get |
| 15:40.31 | Thrae | olafski: Lifeward is good performance for the price |
| 15:40.40 | KriLL3 | or the staff from ToC vendors, though that as said requires champion |
| 15:40.41 | olafski | I won't raid.. so that would mean I wouldn't get an upgrade at all ;) |
| 15:40.58 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I had the impression that they don't let you into it with 200 blues |
| 15:40.59 | KriLL3 | also marrowstrike is an option |
| 15:41.07 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: it's just the average |
| 15:41.20 | KriLL3 | if you got some really high iLVL items and some really low you can get in just fine |
| 15:41.34 | Thrae | KriLL3: Yeah, but still, there's a big gap for Staff of Trickery (which I got almost immediatly after 80) and your next best tanking weapon |
| 15:41.37 | olafski | hm seems lifeward is a bit better than it used to be |
| 15:41.37 | KriLL3 | though the issue ofc with marrowstrike is that it's like 10% drop chance from one of 2 bosses |
| 15:41.47 | KriLL3 | so 5% |
| 15:41.48 | olafski | I kinda want marrowstrike though yeah |
| 15:41.52 | olafski | looks good :P |
| 15:41.57 | SunTsu | KriLL3: so how high is it? my mage was on 220+ and still needed to replace the last blue item |
| 15:41.58 | KriLL3 | I did ToC HC 38 times to get mine |
| 15:42.04 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: not really sure |
| 15:42.19 | KriLL3 | only saw it once before that, and guess who got it? |
| 15:42.23 | KriLL3 | a paladin |
| 15:42.25 | olafski | :) |
| 15:42.28 | KriLL3 | in leveling blues |
| 15:42.29 | olafski | I saw it once too so far |
| 15:42.32 | olafski | though I've done it about 3 times |
| 15:42.34 | KriLL3 | "lol first time hear!" |
| 15:42.54 | SunTsu | given that HoR drops ilvl232 items it's dumb to let you enter only when really close to 232 |
| 15:42.55 | KriLL3 | that was the 32:th time I was there for that one item |
| 15:43.01 | KriLL3 | btw, it's not even that good for paladins |
| 15:43.07 | Thrae | olafski: BTW, Improved Mangle is for Cat DPS, Shredding Attacks is better for Bears. You've probably already found Beserk isn't used that much on Bears in PvE. |
| 15:43.21 | olafski | oh I use berserk on every boss ;) |
| 15:43.27 | KriLL3 | actually zerk is nice for packs |
| 15:43.32 | Thrae | Bosses, yes |
| 15:43.37 | SunTsu | I see Marrowstrike drop nearly every time I'm in ToC - except when I'm there with my hunter |
| 15:43.47 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: yeah that's how it works |
| 15:43.56 | Thrae | KriLL3: That too, but I'm talking about the overall Mangle cooldown reduction isn't worth it over the Rage reduction on Lacerate |
| 15:44.11 | olafski | shredding attacks doesn't seem too useful |
| 15:44.13 | KriLL3 | blizzard got an algorithm finding the gear none of you need/want and gives you that |
| 15:44.17 | Thrae | It's important to keep that Lacerate up at 5/5 all the time, even if you have Rage issues |
| 15:44.18 | olafski | it's not often that I don't have the rage to do lacerate :/ |
| 15:44.27 | KriLL3 | Thrae: I got both |
| 15:44.50 | Thrae | KriLL3: What'd you give up? Naturalist? |
| 15:44.52 | SunTsu | my only healer has the dps neck from soulforge while both my dps casters have the healing necks from it |
| 15:45.02 | KriLL3 | Thrae: don't have my build in front of me atm |
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| 15:45.17 | KriLL3 | and yes lacerate is important on bosses, less so on packs |
| 15:45.20 | Thrae | Wait, you can't give up Naturalist, you need 10 points to get to OoC |
| 15:45.23 | KriLL3 | though at least one is good, boosts maul dmg |
| 15:45.41 | olafski | yep makes maul do nice damage |
| 15:45.44 | olafski | that's what I use it for mostly |
| 15:45.53 | olafski | though on single targets I spam maul/lacerate |
| 15:46.37 | KriLL3 | I got a macro that spams maul & swipe, and a button that only mauls for single encounters |
| 15:46.42 | Thrae | olafski: I also like at least 1 in Infected Wounds. It may seem like a PvP thing, but the reduced attack speed can help vs bosses that enrage, and the reduced movement speed can help give you more time when you lose aggro. |
| 15:46.54 | KriLL3 | yeah I got full infected |
| 15:47.35 | KriLL3 | Thrae: I got full naturalist |
| 15:47.39 | Thrae | KriLL3: You have full Infected Wounds, Shredding Attacks, AND Improved Mangle? You must have given up something in the normal cookie-cutter spec, like Thick Hide. |
| 15:47.55 | olafski | thrae: yeah I considered infected wounds |
| 15:48.02 | KriLL3 | I don't have shredding, and king of the jungle |
| 15:48.25 | KriLL3 | 2 less rage on lacerate isn't worth 2 points |
| 15:48.32 | Thrae | Ahhh, KoJ |
| 15:48.48 | KriLL3 | and I don't have natural shapeshifter and the one above that |
| 15:48.53 | KriLL3 | master shapeshifter |
| 15:49.08 | Thrae | Yeah Master Shapeshifter is more for DPS and Healing |
| 15:49.25 | Thrae | It *used* to be better than Naturalist when Naturalist was +5% Physical Damage |
| 15:49.30 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 15:49.38 | KriLL3 | also I don't have feral aggression |
| 15:49.50 | nevcairiel | wasnt naturalist always 10%? |
| 15:49.54 | KriLL3 | other than that I got everything non cat |
| 15:49.57 | Thrae | Who the hell has Feral Aggression? |
| 15:50.02 | KriLL3 | no idea |
| 15:50.10 | Thrae | Not even Cats have Feral Aggression |
| 15:50.19 | KriLL3 | heh true |
| 15:50.34 | Thrae | Ferocious Bite still sucks even with Feral Aggression |
| 15:50.35 | olafski | demo roar is nice though |
| 15:50.46 | olafski | I'd say some more AP reduction would benefit there |
| 15:50.52 | KriLL3 | I guess 58/13 is fairly cookie cutter |
| 15:50.54 | Thrae | Eh, in ICC I see myself taking more magic damage than physical damage |
| 15:50.55 | olafski | though I forgot how much it helps on bosses |
| 15:51.09 | Thrae | 58/13 for Cat DPS? |
| 15:51.17 | KriLL3 | tank |
| 15:51.41 | Thrae | On right, 5/5 in Furor |
| 15:51.50 | Thrae | I've been meaning to respec to 3/5 |
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| 15:52.01 | KriLL3 | just to ensure I can always charge |
| 15:52.08 | KriLL3 | sucks switching to bear and not being able to charge |
| 15:52.34 | olafski | I have 3/5 :) |
| 15:52.38 | KriLL3 | feral feels so damn bloated atm, so many things needing so many points |
| 15:52.38 | Thrae | Well, you can always Enrage and wait for GCD |
| 15:52.47 | KriLL3 | Thrae: not if enrage is on cooldown |
| 15:53.01 | KriLL3 | hope cata streamlines feral, too many must have talents atm |
| 15:53.10 | Thrae | True, but honestly I don't have rage issues outside of PvP, and I don't use my Tank spec in PvP |
| 15:53.11 | KriLL3 | feels like you don't have much choice |
| 15:53.30 | KriLL3 | I got horrible rage issues in some instances, like VH |
| 15:53.42 | Thrae | KriLL3: Yeah Feral has a LOT of "Passive" talents and Cata says they're getting rid of ALL of them (or 90% of them) |
| 15:54.10 | KriLL3 | I guess the thing that gives stuff if you spend a certain amount of points in a tree will replace that stuff |
| 15:54.14 | Thrae | Weird, VH is now one of my easiest instances |
| 15:54.17 | KriLL3 | affinity or something |
| 15:54.24 | KriLL3 | yes it's easy, but I got 0 rage most of it |
| 15:54.31 | olafski | how do you have such rage issues? you take less damage but you crit more, shouldn't that more or less balance it? |
| 15:54.35 | Thrae | Well, Cata wants to place more emphasis on so-called "Fun" talents, which are more like "Strategy" talents |
| 15:55.17 | KriLL3 | olafski: issue is that you spend a lot of time not hitting/being hit between portals |
| 15:55.32 | KriLL3 | and especially if some dps starts cc:ing |
| 15:55.36 | KriLL3 | then it's just you spending rage |
| 15:55.52 | Thrae | KriLL3: Well if you took 2 out of Furor and put them into KoJ, you could PowerShift much more easily without worrying about mana until you get the 10 rage, in addition to the 15% damage boost about 15% of the time. |
| 15:56.00 | olafski | hm.. haven't noticed that yet but then again I'm not overgeared _that_ much yet |
| 15:56.04 | arkanes_ | bears and warriors should gain rage based on how hard you're hitting your keys |
| 15:56.21 | olafski | :D |
| 15:56.25 | olafski | or how often |
| 15:56.27 | Thrae | arkanes_: Haha, well my /castsequence has Enrage in it, so I hit it pretty hard |
| 15:56.30 | olafski | make it like Track & Field :) |
| 15:56.37 | olafski | perhaps call it Track & Shield or something |
| 15:56.42 | arkanes_ | heh |
| 15:57.02 | olafski | warrior talent, requires special keyboards with touch sensitivity |
| 15:57.40 | olafski | 28 more triumph emblems to get all the triumph gear I want for tanking.. then I can start spending them on my resto gear =) |
| 15:57.52 | olafski | if I don't lose interest in playing the druid before then |
| 15:58.23 | Thrae | olafski: I already have iLevel 232 Epic Leggings, so I'm thinking of skipping T9 Legs |
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| 15:58.34 | olafski | thrae: that works ;) |
| 15:58.50 | olafski | my druid became lvl 80 8 days ago |
| 15:59.03 | Thrae | Wow, quite the Triumph in Triumph farming then |
| 15:59.07 | olafski | ;) |
| 15:59.23 | olafski | I sent the heirlooms to my shaman who is now also healing (lvl 62) |
| 15:59.45 | olafski | don't have a chest for resto now on my druid though, so I guess that's the first thing I'm buying |
| 16:00.04 | Thrae | olafski: Kirin Tor Exalted has a nice Cloth Chest |
| 16:00.25 | Thrae | Also a nice Leather Waist |
| 16:00.36 | olafski | mm yeah.. 50 emblems isn't a lot of work to get though |
| 16:00.50 | olafski | the leather waist would be good tho |
| 16:01.02 | Thrae | What's wrong with Cloth in PvE? |
| 16:01.10 | Thrae | They're both iLevel 200 Epics |
| 16:01.13 | olafski | nothing |
| 16:01.22 | olafski | but I can get an ilvl 232 epic that has set bonuses too |
| 16:01.28 | KriLL3 | well cloth isn't viable for tanking |
| 16:01.34 | olafski | we're talking resto though |
| 16:01.40 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 16:02.00 | Thrae | On my Resto spec, I do have Improved Barkskin, hehe |
| 16:02.01 | SunTsu | olafski: then just take the cloth breast until you get the leather t9 one |
| 16:02.06 | olafski | am not even honored yet with kirin tor.. I think I'd get 50 emblems before I get exalted ;) |
| 16:02.37 | olafski | I've been running mostly without a tabard on because I like the looks of the T9 chest so much ;) |
| 16:02.39 | KriLL3 | I'm exalted with everything, except the silver covenant, bug that doesn't transfer your standing with the sunreavers into silver covenant |
| 16:02.42 | Thrae | olafski: Yeah it's easier to get to 80 nowadays than it was when WotLK first came out, so you miss out on rep |
| 16:03.10 | KriLL3 | just use the tabards, exalted in no time |
| 16:03.10 | Thrae | KriLL3: Hmm, you know you get Silver Covenant rep. without a tabard, right? |
| 16:03.12 | olafski | yeah.. but there never was much kirin tor rep to get while leveling |
| 16:03.23 | KriLL3 | Thrae: yeah, but I switched faction 2 days ago |
| 16:03.31 | Thrae | KriLL3: Ahh |
| 16:03.43 | Thrae | Wait, you switched FROM Horde TO Alliance? |
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| 16:03.44 | SunTsu | Thrae: in exchange you can run heroics all day long, given championing.. |
| 16:04.03 | KriLL3 | Thrae: yes |
| 16:04.10 | Thrae | You must have a good friend who likes Alliance |
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| 16:04.29 | Thrae | Usually, I have found Alliance sucks, after playing both Alliance and Horde and still playing Alliance |
| 16:04.35 | KriLL3 | all of my IRL friends decided to move their old alliance chars we played before we turned horde to a new server |
| 16:04.39 | nevcairiel | I don't get why people are against either faction |
| 16:04.43 | nevcairiel | people are idiots everywhere |
| 16:04.47 | KriLL3 | yeah they're not that different |
| 16:04.54 | Thrae | nevcairiel: It depends on the server really |
| 16:05.07 | KriLL3 | might feel different but from all my experience neither side is better |
| 16:05.07 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 16:05.20 | Thrae | All servers definitely have a different idiot ratio, *especially* if you PvP |
| 16:05.21 | KriLL3 | and I've played on the same server on both sides |
| 16:05.41 | SunTsu | I really think about turning all my alliance chars to horde, but it's too expensive... |
| 16:05.55 | arkanes_ | I found out yesterday that 70s and 80s can queue together for randoms |
| 16:06.09 | Thrae | Of course the average PVPIQ is like 40, as people are normally meant to be lead around like sheep, except sometimes they're stubborn. |
| 16:06.38 | arkanes_ | so I spent some hours dragging some guildies and a pug or 2 through random speed runs |
| 16:06.57 | genetik- | led around like cats, thrae |
| 16:06.59 | genetik- | sheep are easier |
| 16:07.25 | Thrae | *My* cats can be lead around. When they feel like it., |
| 16:07.38 | genetik- | just need enough shiny stuff, i suppose |
| 16:09.32 | Thrae | olafski: I can also tell you that "Revitalize" (Resto) is usually for PvP, no Resto has Naturalist anymore, and Nature's Bounty synergizes with Living Seed and T10 gear. |
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| 16:09.58 | olafski | my resto spec probably could use some work ;) let's see |
| 16:10.44 | Thrae | olafski: Yeah, I was the same way until I learned the new ways, like how no one rolls Lifebloom anymore, and Glyph of Rapid Rejuv. is fun |
| 16:10.55 | olafski | oh I roll lifebloom :(* |
| 16:11.12 | olafski | rapid rejuv could replace the glyph of lifebloom though |
| 16:11.24 | Thrae | So do I in Heroics, but I'm "old school" |
| 16:11.25 | olafski | hm I don't roll it that much actually.. I get people up to 3 stacks regularly though |
| 16:11.38 | olafski | isn't -0.5 sec on HT nice? |
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| 16:11.46 | Thrae | Yeah the Glyph of Lifebloom is really there for people to keep up 3 stacks as much as possible |
| 16:12.18 | olafski | I guess I'll replace naturalist with nature's bounty |
| 16:12.43 | olafski | what about revitalize though? what do I replace that with.. natural perfection? |
| 16:12.46 | Thrae | olafski: Depends on your spec. You'll probably be putting a Rejuv. on most everyone, and Nourish *still* has a faster cast time with +20% healing done for HoTs on your target |
| 16:13.11 | olafski | oh yeah .. nourish, I keep forgetting that one |
| 16:13.14 | Thrae | olafski: Natural Perfection is for PvP, is this a PvP Healing build? |
| 16:13.32 | olafski | no |
| 16:13.39 | olafski | just didn't see what else I can put those 3 points in :) |
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| 16:13.47 | olafski | I don't like pvp |
| 16:13.53 | Thrae | olafski: If it's just PvE, Empowered Touch and even 1 in Improved Tranquility |
| 16:14.16 | olafski | hm. I never ever use tranquility |
| 16:14.20 | olafski | guess I could start doing it :P |
| 16:14.26 | olafski | I'll respec tonight |
| 16:14.41 | Thrae | olafski: Although some people have put 1 in Brambles (mostly useless) to get an extra +1%-3% haste from Celestial Focus |
| 16:14.43 | olafski | also gonna roll alchemy on this char tonight I think |
| 16:14.47 | arkanes_ | olafski: are you level 80? |
| 16:15.07 | olafski | yes |
| 16:15.09 | Thrae | olafski: The Celestial Focus change was recent, so it's no surprise you haven't looked at it. +3% Spell Haste is nice |
| 16:15.22 | olafski | I did look at celestial focus.. 3% didn't seem worth 4 points to me :< |
| 16:15.28 | arkanes_ | olafski: once you're 80 theres pretty much no circumstance you'd cast HT, you'd always use nourish instead |
| 16:15.41 | arkanes_ | except when you're insta-casting it with NS of course |
| 16:15.45 | olafski | hmm |
| 16:15.47 | olafski | alright :) |
| 16:15.49 | Thrae | arkanes_: Unless you're a Feral healing yourself or others, but yes, we're talking Resto ;) |
| 16:15.52 | olafski | I better change my bindings in Clique too then |
| 16:17.10 | Thrae | olafski: If you're not doing raids or PvP, Living Seed loses value until you get a full T10, IMHO |
| 16:17.40 | arkanes_ | its better than natures grace unless you can spam nourish, though |
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| 16:18.08 | olafski | hm I'll never get full T10.. doubtful that I'll even get one piece of it :) |
| 16:18.13 | Thrae | arkanes_: It really depends on the types of groups you run with and tend to get I suppose |
| 16:18.31 | SunTsu | olafski: VoA ;) |
| 16:18.36 | olafski | hell no |
| 16:18.40 | arkanes_ | Thrae: unless you can constantly cast nourish (or regrowth, but whatever) NG has terrible uptime |
| 16:19.18 | arkanes_ | I do a lot of heroics with vastly overgeared tanks and revitalize can be really helpful there |
| 16:19.46 | Thrae | arkanes_: In Heroics even with my crappy iLevel 200 gear I still see my HoTs taking care of 80% of the damage with an occasional Nourish, Swiftmend (glyphed), and HT+Nature's Swiftness or Nourish+Nature's Swiftness |
| 16:20.11 | arkanes_ | sure |
| 16:20.17 | arkanes_ | thats why I get revitalize and not natures grace |
| 16:20.24 | Thrae | There *are* some fights where I need to spam Nourish along with my HoTs |
| 16:20.51 | jnwhiteh | I use NG for Wild Growth |
| 16:20.52 | arkanes_ | drastically ungeared tanks still justify some nourish spam but the uptime and the benefit from NG is so small |
| 16:20.56 | jnwhiteh | or free mana gain from lifebloom |
| 16:21.10 | arkanes_ | jnwhiteh: are we talking about the same thing? |
| 16:21.17 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 16:21.19 | jnwhiteh | we're not |
| 16:21.21 | jnwhiteh | sorry =) |
| 16:21.34 | arkanes_ | to be honest revitalize is pretty small too |
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| 16:22.41 | jnwhiteh | i've been thinking about getting revitalize |
| 16:22.48 | arkanes_ | celestial focus is nice, although I'd need to give up a fair chunk of mana efficiency for it |
| 16:22.50 | Thrae | arkanes_: Well, if you already have Nature's Bounty, you got a good boost to crit right there. I wouldn't rely on Revitalize outside PvP except on specific raids where spamming has been an issue in the past. |
| 16:22.55 | wink | anyone ever seen this psychedelic BG on Malygos? http://imgur.com/xy26w.jpg |
| 16:23.21 | arkanes_ | Thrae: its not really about relying on it, but the general increase in your raids resources translates to better dps/threat |
| 16:23.30 | arkanes_ | s/raid/group |
| 16:23.54 | Aeyan | Revitalize is nice when I'm on my DK |
| 16:24.07 | Thrae | arkanes_: It depends, I've found a lot of classes already have pretty specific rotations that conform to their normal mana/energy usage and getting MORE kinda messes them up |
| 16:24.18 | Aeyan | Every other rotation I don't have enough RP for two DCs, normally |
| 16:24.22 | Aeyan | So I filler it with a horn |
| 16:24.26 | Aeyan | With revitalize I can =) |
| 16:24.32 | Thrae | s/usage/storage/ |
| 16:24.41 | arkanes_ | I don't think thats true |
| 16:24.53 | arkanes_ | possibly RP dumping DKs, but the worst case is that they waste some capping out |
| 16:25.13 | Thrae | I could see Revit. for DKs, that's true |
| 16:25.16 | arkanes_ | rogues are energy-limited, worst case is you get a wasted proc while they're pooling |
| 16:25.42 | Aeyan | Capping used to be a big deal for some specs. They'd say stop your rotation to throw DC since it was your hardest hitting ability |
| 16:25.49 | Aeyan | Not the case anymore, so more RP is always a good thing |
| 16:26.01 | Aeyan | Anyway, this is just a long winded way of saying I like revitalize, hehe. |
| 16:26.02 | arkanes_ | Aeyan: that was because DC hit so hard it was worth throwing off your rune CDs for |
| 16:26.09 | Thrae | You know what I'm not impressed with right now? Living Spirit |
| 16:26.19 | Aeyan | Yeah, I know |
| 16:26.21 | Aeyan | I was unholy too |
| 16:26.24 | Aeyan | So doubly important |
| 16:26.25 | arkanes_ | so even though it messed up your rotation, it was still a DPS increase |
| 16:26.26 | Aeyan | Back then |
| 16:26.34 | arkanes_ | (thats why you did it, of course) |
| 16:26.39 | Thrae | But I have more MP5 than I possibly should in my Resto Gear |
| 16:26.48 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r292 modules/SkadaThreat/Threat.lua: Fix Mirror Image threat display. |
| 16:26.50 | Repo | Fix raw threat option. |
| 16:26.59 | arkanes_ | yeah I've seen some endgame druids dropping living spirit, which startled me |
| 16:27.06 | arkanes_ | I can't nearly afford it in my gear |
| 16:27.30 | nevcairiel | I'm at a point where i'm pretty good with my mana and my current gear |
| 16:27.35 | Thrae | Well, isn't it all about a balance of Spirit/MP5 for Resto Druids? |
| 16:27.42 | nevcairiel | and its by far no full endgame gear |
| 16:27.49 | Aeyan | Druids aren't fun to spec =P |
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| 16:27.54 | arkanes_ | Thrae: mp5 is always more regen |
| 16:27.57 | Aeyan | They're always starved for points for something nice |
| 16:28.01 | nevcairiel | eh, druids usually don't touch mp5 |
| 16:28.03 | arkanes_ | Thrae: the tradeoff is the extra spellpower you get |
| 16:28.11 | nevcairiel | spirit all the way |
| 16:28.21 | Thrae | Oh, I missed a change again |
| 16:28.28 | Thrae | When did Spirit provide Spellpower? |
| 16:28.34 | nevcairiel | 3.0 :P |
| 16:28.34 | arkanes_ | theres a lot of haste/mp5 cloth that I see druids pick up |
| 16:28.51 | [Ammo] | haste = pro for druids |
| 16:28.52 | Aeyan | 15% |
| 16:28.58 | Thrae | 3.0? Eh, I was still Feral-only in 3.0 |
| 16:28.58 | [Ammo] | quicker hots = pewpew |
| 16:29.06 | nevcairiel | haste is really awesome for druids, especially now |
| 16:29.27 | nevcairiel | but spirit scales with talents and gives you spellpower extra, its superior to mp5 |
| 16:29.38 | Thrae | What's the Spirit-to-SP ratio? |
| 16:29.44 | arkanes_ | 30% |
| 16:29.52 | Thrae | OK, good to know |
| 16:29.59 | arkanes_ | no, 15% |
| 16:30.03 | arkanes_ | improved tree of life |
| 16:30.28 | Thrae | Wait...what? Improved Tree of Life doesn't do anything to Spirit anymore, I know that now |
| 16:30.45 | Thrae | Oh wait it does...nevermind |
| 16:30.47 | arkanes_ | it gives you 15% of your spirit as spellpower |
| 16:30.53 | Thrae | Didn't see the "of spirit" |
| 16:31.02 | arkanes_ | well, healpower |
| 16:31.03 | Thrae | I thought they changed it to a base increase, silly me |
| 16:31.05 | arkanes_ | not that it matters |
| 16:31.24 | arkanes_ | I guess it matters for your thorns scaling :P |
| 16:31.26 | ckknight | hey all, if you're interested in SC2 and especially maps for it, join us at #sc2mapster |
| 16:31.41 | Thrae | Well I need more Spirit, since I only have ~600 in my Resto Gear |
| 16:32.19 | Thrae | That'll probably be fixed by T9 |
| 16:34.31 | nevcairiel | ckknight: you are into ruby and rails and all that, right? can rails templates do template inheritance, like jinja2 can do? blocks i can overwrite in an extending template, etc. |
| 16:34.47 | ckknight | tbh, I forget |
| 16:34.50 | ckknight | probably, though |
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| 16:38.20 | ckknight | nevcairiel: especially with Rails 3, the template engine is agnostic |
| 16:38.49 | nevcairiel | I'm mostly focusing on what comes with rails, and rails 2 at that |
| 16:38.54 | nevcairiel | its for a paper, not actual usage :d |
| 16:39.49 | ckknight | ah |
| 16:39.57 | ckknight | well, I used Haml and Erubis with Rails 2 |
| 16:40.00 | ckknight | so it's mostly agnostic as-is |
| 16:40.03 | ckknight | just ERB recommended |
| 16:40.19 | nevcairiel | erb seems really lacking |
| 16:40.25 | nevcairiel | imho |
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| 16:43.41 | Caleb| | ~api unitclass |
| 16:43.41 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_unitclass |
| 16:43.52 | nevcairiel | try !api instead, its much better =) |
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| 16:54.21 | neon_ | Increasing the height of the nameplate frame makes it grow downwards, and offsetting the position y coordinate messes with the clickable area |
| 16:54.43 | neon_ | Can't seem to find a way around it. |
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| 17:11.07 | arkanes_ | I always read erb as enterprise ruby beans |
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| 17:12.50 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:13.14 | wink | that's hinting at a very twisted mind, arkanes |
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| 17:38.27 | asmodai | Can TS3 clients connect to a TS2 server? |
| 17:39.13 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:40.34 | asmodai | k thanks |
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| 17:49.24 | Repo | - fixed the dalaran things (ticket #61) |
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| 18:19.12 | Neglected | Evenin'. |
| 18:19.43 | Aeyan | Ello. |
| 18:20.00 | Neglected | Did anyone see that troll post on the EU Interface Customization forums? :3 |
| 18:22.05 | Neglected | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12680128951&sid=1 ; whilst I understand it's a troll post, it's still an interesting idea. =) |
| 18:23.10 | Bruners | Neglected: only problem is that the data can easily be faked |
| 18:23.46 | Neglected | How so? I'm relatively new to AddOns, so this was going to be a long-term project for me. Is there a way I could possibly work around it? |
| 18:24.52 | arkanes_ | Neglected: theres lots of addons that provide ways to rate players, even leave comments |
| 18:25.19 | NivFreak | Neglected: addons can't store data online ;P |
| 18:25.51 | Neglected | Niv: I know, that's how I instantly figured out it was a troll post. Using AddOn channels might help but then it would become like GS. Options <3 |
| 18:26.01 | NivFreak | ... |
| 18:26.07 | Neglected | Arkanes: I understand that; I mean, I was going to create a comglomorate of such ideas. And, it's mainly just something to practice Lua. |
| 18:26.25 | NivFreak | as soon as you do that, watch Shadowed break your local stored data |
| 18:26.41 | NivFreak | you can't trust data people provide themselves |
| 18:27.02 | NivFreak | we'll just tweak the savedvars |
| 18:27.03 | Neglected | Hmm.. maybe I'll have to rule out the rating option, then. |
| 18:27.05 | mitchnull | isn't there a fake GS already? |
| 18:27.43 | arkanes_ | theres addons that corrupt your GS database |
| 18:27.57 | arkanes_ | theres no way to fake a GS someone gets by inspecting you directly, of course |
| 18:28.08 | quiescens | sure there is |
| 18:28.11 | quiescens | wear the wrong gear |
| 18:28.20 | arkanes_ | that still a correct GS |
| 18:28.30 | arkanes_ | just misleading, one of the many problems with it |
| 18:31.00 | quiescens | its okay, they probably won't notice |
| 18:31.04 | quiescens | its all about the little number |
| 18:31.28 | Neglected | Aszune is completely corrupted with GS at the present >< |
| 18:31.35 | Neglected | So I absolutely hate the AddOn |
| 18:32.01 | Neglected | I quote from trade earlier "LFM VoA10 Class Run /w me 5k+ GS pls" |
| 18:32.06 | genetik- | people still use gearscore? |
| 18:32.09 | Neglected | Yep. |
| 18:32.17 | Neglected | And then wonder why they lag. |
| 18:32.29 | Neglected | I only use GearscoreLite so I know if I am 'ready' to enter a PuG.. |
| 18:33.08 | Shadowed | what did I do |
| 18:33.10 | Shadowed | I didn't do it |
| 18:33.11 | Shadowed | it was gnomes |
| 18:33.15 | Neglected | lol |
| 18:33.18 | Neglected | ./win |
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| 18:34.04 | arkanes_ | while we're talknig about lagging |
| 18:34.34 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 18:34.52 | arkanes_ | ZOMGbuffs PP integration goes *crazy* in raids sometimes, and it seems to be because RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE is firing every second or so, *and* its calls to GetNumRaidMembers()/GetNumParyMembers() are returning 0 |
| 18:35.01 | arkanes_ | anyone have any pie in the sky ideas why that might happen? |
| 18:35.10 | genetik- | arkanes_: horses |
| 18:35.22 | arkanes_ | I never trusted them |
| 18:35.28 | Neglected | gnomes > horses. |
| 18:35.28 | genetik- | heh |
| 18:37.00 | Neglected | That aside, do you think that... 'skillscore' idea is viable? With tweaking of course. |
| 18:40.26 | arkanes_ | Neglected: no, not really |
| 18:41.27 | arkanes_ | Neglected: dont let me stop you, though |
| 18:41.37 | olafski | sounds like you're going to have to have really complicated calculations too |
| 18:41.53 | olafski | if you're going to turn overhealing into a "skill" rating ;) |
| 18:42.08 | Neglected | No, no, I'm not going to |
| 18:42.09 | arkanes_ | I think the approach Shadowed used in elitistgroup is the most viable one |
| 18:42.13 | Neglected | That was what the troll posted |
| 18:42.23 | olafski | I know neglected but you said the idea looked viable didn't you? :) |
| 18:42.28 | Neglected | It's just a basis for my ideas (I'm Neglected on the forums, not a 'lock) |
| 18:42.29 | olafski | elitistgroup does a pretty good job |
| 18:42.32 | Neglected | EG <3 |
| 18:43.09 | arkanes_ | I suppose you could do something where you keep track of stats about the people you raid with |
| 18:43.21 | arkanes_ | and then share that in a similar way EG shares tis cache |
| 18:44.06 | arkanes_ | So you'd stuff like "JEdgarRoguer failed to target swap to bone spikes on Marrowgar 4 attempts out of 9 recorded" |
| 18:44.15 | Neglected | That's the sort of thing I was invisioning |
| 18:44.26 | arkanes_ | well, not super hard really |
| 18:44.32 | Neglected | I know there's an AddOn that does that (oRA2?) but was planning on doing it in a more uniform manner |
| 18:44.34 | arkanes_ | store the results of libfail |
| 18:44.46 | arkanes_ | and more fails you care about to it |
| 18:45.20 | haste | Neglected: oRA had nothing to do with benchmarking of your raid |
| 18:45.38 | arkanes_ | probably thinking of libfail/failbot |
| 18:45.55 | olafski | thrae: I guess a good place to start on fixing my resto build is actually spending the 71th point.. =) |
| 18:47.17 | olafski | do shamans have some "regen 30% mana while casting" talent like priest/druid do? or do they have water shield for this |
| 18:48.32 | Neglected | Mana Tide/Spring + Water Shield |
| 18:48.33 | arkanes_ | I believe that shamans are intended to rely on raw mp5 and water shield, like holy paladins do |
| 18:48.44 | arkanes_ | since they have no spirit |
| 18:48.51 | Neglected | Unrelenting Storm in the Elemental Tree |
| 18:48.56 | Neglected | (20 Point Talent) |
| 18:48.59 | arkanes_ | (which is kinda ironic, now that I think about it) |
| 18:49.19 | olafski | arkanes_: :) |
| 18:49.22 | arkanes_ | thats out of reach for resto |
| 18:49.28 | olafski | neglected: I can't spend 20 points there oO |
| 18:49.31 | Neglected | I know. |
| 18:49.33 | Neglected | That's my point. |
| 18:49.36 | olafski | elemental seems utterly useless for a healer |
| 18:49.38 | Neglected | Wait until Cata and you'll be able to =P |
| 18:49.39 | olafski | unless I read something wrong |
| 18:49.48 | olafski | enh seems more useful |
| 18:50.44 | arkanes_ | you are correct |
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| 18:54.14 | olafski | anyone care to comment on this resto druid build? it's for pve, heroics and such: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VGzu0hZZf0IubutiuV0sVo:xqkzm0 |
| 18:55.17 | arkanes_ | I'd use a point in tranquil spirit and not imp tranquility |
| 18:55.41 | olafski | good point |
| 18:56.21 | olafski | still seems like 4 points to spend on 3% haste is a lot :< |
| 18:56.46 | arkanes_ | also I'd get living seed |
| 18:57.30 | nevcairiel | olafski: dump celestial focus, get living seed, and whatever points left in truanquil spirit |
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| 18:57.34 | arkanes_ | not sure where I'd drop the extra points from |
| 18:57.49 | arkanes_ | 2/3 subtelety, put that extra point in tranquil spirit also |
| 18:57.59 | olafski | hm I thought people earlier today said that living seed wasn't very good |
| 18:58.20 | arkanes_ | I'm fond of it |
| 18:58.21 | nevcairiel | even nature's grace is debateable |
| 18:58.32 | nevcairiel | i'm not convinved of its usefullness |
| 18:59.09 | arkanes_ | its excellent for nourish spamming |
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| 18:59.25 | olafski | I don't do a lot of that in heroics though |
| 18:59.30 | arkanes_ | no you do not |
| 18:59.37 | nevcairiel | i generally never nourish spam if i can avoid it :d |
| 18:59.53 | arkanes_ | in 10 mans you're more likely to be in a tank healing role and need to do it |
| 19:00.16 | arkanes_ | so its a reasonable choic for those, for heroics or if you're a 25 healer theres not a whole lot of reason for it |
| 19:00.19 | arkanes_ | dreamwalker aside |
| 19:01.29 | arkanes_ | I don't really like the way NG is implemented for resto |
| 19:01.39 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0zZZf0IuiuxiuVhsVo:xqkzm0 how about this one then? |
| 19:01.53 | nevcairiel | thats pretty much my spec |
| 19:02.01 | Aeyan | If I was a druid (Warning: I'm not), I'd probably do something like: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0uZZf0IubuxidVIsVo |
| 19:02.25 | arkanes_ | thats mine, except I have revitalize instead of 5/5 tranquil spirit |
| 19:02.34 | olafski | aeyan: I'd still try to get the full +15% spirit |
| 19:04.29 | arkanes_ | 2/3 sub, 2/5 tranquil spirit, 3/3 revitalize is how I go |
| 19:05.39 | nevcairiel | i'm still on the edge over revitalize, not sure its really worth taking |
| 19:06.07 | arkanes_ | its not, but what else are you gonna do with the points |
| 19:06.21 | nevcairiel | have in sub and ts :d |
| 19:06.35 | nevcairiel | I bet druids are the only class with too many points |
| 19:06.40 | arkanes_ | nah |
| 19:06.56 | arkanes_ | lots of classes have 1-3 points of filler |
| 19:06.57 | nevcairiel | we're really out of good talents to take for the last few points |
| 19:07.11 | arkanes_ | ret paladins used to have like 9 :P |
| 19:07.30 | pentium166 | wtb filler points |
| 19:09.03 | arkanes_ | looks like it has 4 now |
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| 19:14.02 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1331 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
| 19:14.04 | Repo | - Glyphs of Frostfire, Frostbolt and Scorch are all additive |
| 19:14.05 | Repo | - Aracane Power and Arcane Blast are additive |
| 19:14.06 | Repo | - Slightly adjusted Arcane Missiles coefficient (from 1.426 to 1.4305) |
| 19:14.07 | Repo | - Spell Impact, Fire Power and Chilled to the Bone are additive, Playing with Fire is multiplicative |
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| 19:18.00 | Neglected | Myeh, working on this SKillscore thing (Renamed ofc)... getting harder and harder to work out how to code this. Gonna have fun with the damage thing. I'm thinking combat log parsers.. would I be correct in that matter? |
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| 19:27.08 | Neglected | http://insanitarium.pastebin.com/x9suc9Fq - Current work. Probably not going to work at all, but whatever; feedback is always appreciated. Off to level now. =) |
| 19:30.50 | Kalroth | Thats going to be awfully spammy on progression fights (where you wipe a lot) |
| 19:31.53 | Neglected | to do: Add a / command for reporting all deaths, or prog. raiders will NOT be happy bunnies. |
| 19:31.53 | Neglected | =) |
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| 20:31.31 | olafski | neglected: just put it on curseforge and get used to using a repository ;) then we can see all your updates live! |
| 20:36.43 | Neglected | olaf: Meh ;P |
| 20:36.54 | Neglected | I'm not planning to say all updates here haha |
| 20:37.35 | Neglected | Also; if anyone here has a guild looking for rerollers (EU!) then, I'm looking for a new home ^^ |
| 20:39.40 | NivFreak | nice |
| 20:39.51 | NivFreak | curse client v4 on mac, the updated alpha crashes every time I start it ;) |
| 20:40.04 | Kaelten | NivFreak: message? |
| 20:40.30 | NivFreak | sec, pasty inc |
| 20:41.17 | NivFreak | Kaelten: http://ace.pastey.net/133366 |
| 20:42.14 | Kaelten | NivFreak: you have multiple game installs? |
| 20:42.28 | NivFreak | might have PTR On here, let me check |
| 20:42.48 | NivFreak | not atm :) |
| 20:43.08 | Repo | 10tradelog: 03warbaby * r2 / (10 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:43.10 | Repo | Finally, I decided to separate the log features for TheBurningTrade. |
| 20:43.11 | Repo | "TradeLog" a simple and good name :) |
| 20:43.12 | Repo | 1.0 released. |
| 20:43.17 | Kaelten | erm |
| 20:43.22 | Repo | 10tradelog: 03warbaby 041.0 * r3 : Tagging as 1.0 |
| 20:43.25 | Kaelten | you have two threads (8 and 9) that are in the scanning code |
| 20:43.58 | Ackis | NivFreak: get a PC |
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| 20:44.54 | Kaelten | NivFreak: they shouldn't be fore seperate games though |
| 20:45.02 | Ackis | rofl |
| 20:45.49 | Kaelten | Ackis: :P |
| 20:46.45 | Kaelten | NivFreak: can you move the application support folder for the client to the side and see if it happens again? |
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| 20:48.43 | NivFreak | Ackis: I mainly use a PC :P |
| 20:48.47 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/tradelog/. TradeLog. warbaby (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
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| 20:49.01 | Torhal | NivFreak: That's okay - Ackis mainly uses an XBox |
| 20:50.06 | NivFreak | Kaelten: seems to be working now ;) |
| 20:50.27 | Kaelten | NivFreak: can you zip up the old applicaiton support directory and send it to me? |
| 20:50.32 | NivFreak | Kaelten: sure |
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| 20:50.46 | Ackis | xbox is pro! |
| 20:50.47 | Ackis | http://i48.tinypic.com/majtxi.jpg |
| 20:50.50 | Ackis | Fisker: ^ |
| 20:51.30 | kenlyric | wtf |
| 20:52.48 | Ackis | y so wtf kenlyric? |
| 20:53.05 | kenlyric | looking at that screenshot |
| 20:53.18 | kenlyric | two classic accounts, one tbc, and one wrath, 4 accounts in all? |
| 20:53.38 | sb|work | Pneumatus: okay, rapture works in 25 LK :p |
| 20:53.47 | Pneumatus | yz |
| 20:54.15 | sb|work | i was so exited to see that - and forgot to cure tank :p |
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| 20:54.26 | Ackis | kenlyric: have a classic/bc code unused |
| 20:54.29 | Pneumatus | scrub pallies get that job |
| 20:54.41 | Pneumatus | abolish causes chainfail |
| 20:55.01 | sb|work | hmmm i put cure in |
| 20:55.06 | sb|work | instead of abolish |
| 20:55.21 | Pneumatus | i'd have to dick with clique for that |
| 20:55.27 | Pneumatus | so instead, i give the job to a pally |
| 20:55.35 | sb|work | :p |
| 20:56.25 | Pneumatus | and i'd lose a gcd or two, so 2 more people to heal up after incest |
| 20:58.17 | wink | incest? that a boss ability? |
| 20:58.21 | sb|work | infest |
| 20:58.22 | wink | sounds nasty |
| 20:58.26 | sb|work | ffs Pneumatus |
| 20:58.27 | sb|work | its INFEST :p |
| 20:58.33 | wink | :P |
| 20:58.51 | arkanes | that incest debuff is rough |
| 20:58.56 | wink | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=infested -> incested |
| 20:58.59 | arkanes | I hear it takes like 10 years to wear off |
| 20:59.06 | Pneumatus | it is if it doesnt get healed off straight away |
| 20:59.24 | Pneumatus | leave it for more than about 10 seconds and its unhealable |
| 20:59.34 | arkanes | show me on the paper doll where the lich king touched you |
| 20:59.48 | arkanes | I suppose we shouldn't really joke about it :( |
| 21:00.13 | wink | maybe your definition is different anyway |
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| 21:01.01 | Repo | 10little-wigs: 03ulic * r726 Dalaran/The_Violet_Hold.lua: Removed all usage of 95 & 120 second warnings |
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| 21:04.04 | sb|work | hmmmm |
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| 21:04.09 | sb|work | Pneumatus: i have to stop shielding tanks |
| 21:04.13 | Pneumatus | yes you do |
| 21:04.16 | sb|work | :p |
| 21:04.26 | Pneumatus | and shit melee that pull aggro on adds |
| 21:04.31 | sb|work | yup :( |
| 21:04.44 | Pneumatus | let them die, they learn soon enough |
| 21:18.20 | Neglected | Bah. Gotta love it when your /all/ your aliases are taken on a website :) |
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| 21:21.18 | wink | looks like you're not creative enough |
| 21:26.40 | Neglected | :c |
| 21:26.50 | Neglected | Neglected, NytFall, NytFallen, NyteFall, NyteFallen.. |
| 21:26.50 | Neglected | D: |
| 21:29.25 | Neglected | Meh, whatever. Just added the basis ideas of my AddOn to curseforge.. and so it begins; the LOLGSCOPY flaming. |
