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00:07.41Groktaroo there are angry messages in /var/log/mail.log
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00:08.37durcynyou forgot to run newaliases.
00:09.34Groktaryeah
00:09.36Groktari just did that
00:12.20koaschtenShadowed have you considered a guild mode for elitistarmory?
00:12.32koaschtenlike "scan all players rank 1-x"
00:12.37ShadowedYes, it's planned but guilds are complicated-ish
00:13.10ShadowedNamely cause they can tie up the miners if you aren't careful... and you can also have really large guilds with a lot of people at a certain rank
00:13.32ShadowedI needed to rewrite the backend which I've done, and I'm optimizing it right now. Once that's stable I'll add a guild mode
00:13.45koaschtenawesome :)
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00:21.28Shadowedhttp://elitistarmory.com/ <- rough idea of what's planned koaschten
00:21.58koaschten;)
00:22.32koaschtengah this is awesome, is ncsoft just that bad or what... someone randomly reset my account data again...
00:41.02Groktaryay
00:41.05Groktarthe mail, it sends!
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01:00.41Repo10recount: 03Elsia * r1120 Tracker.lua:
01:00.43Repo- Heals of hostile targets are no longer recorded under healing done, but remain recorded under healing taken.
01:01.15Killmorenice, lady deathwhisper door just bug
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01:13.06pakozAnybody have a Healing addon to suggest to me, Disc Priest 10m and 25m icc heroic/normal
01:14.18pakozLooking for a Grid replacement, or a grid template
01:15.47TrelaPersonally I prefer X-Perl for healing.  It requires one to be really good at healing though and not rely on healing specific raiding add ons.
01:17.19pakozI need something to feed me data clearly and on the fly.  
01:18.08SunTsupakoz: what's your main problem with grid? what's your reason for wanting a replacement?
01:20.59pakozI need to see my renews, how much time is left on them.  What raid icon the target has. Where my PoM currently is.  What debuffs who has.  What raid icon each member is targeting. What debuffs they each have without hiding my renews/pws/weakened soul/other debuffs they might have.
01:21.13pakozduration on weakened souls and PWSs
01:22.03pakozso i found this mod called grid:PWS but doesnt seem to function or I can't figure out how to make it function
01:26.01pakozSuntsu: biggest thing is watching weakened soul debuff duration and it not being overwritten/covered by another debuff/icon
01:26.51SunTsupakoz: Did you take a peak at vuhdo?
01:27.39pakozNot familiar, no.
01:29.38SunTsuFor my paladin I use grid only, a friend of mine loves vuhdo, switched there from grid and before healbot
01:30.14vhaarrhow many people do you need to have standing ranged on festergut/rotface 25 heroic mode?=
01:30.17vhaarris it 8 per boss?
01:30.23pakoz8 i blieve
01:30.30vhaarrye thought so, healers in melee then ftw
01:30.50pakozif you are a death happy group make sure someone knows to run out
01:31.40vhaarrindeed
01:33.45frontendloaderrabbit around?
01:33.50vhaarrthat's me
01:34.13frontendloaderthink theres an uckfup with the heroic rotface module
01:34.30frontendloaderthe spell number used for vile gas is 72273 not 72272
01:34.49frontendloaderline 104 self:Bar(72272, spellName, 30, 72272)
01:34.58vhaarryeah that's not how it works
01:35.04vhaarrlook at line 45
01:35.21vhaarrthat's where it actually registers which spell IDs to listen for
01:35.31vhaarrthe line you're talking about that's just for internal bigwigs API
01:35.50frontendloaderIts supposed to start a new 30 sec countdown bar each time spell cast start with that spell# is seen right?
01:36.05vhaarryeah the problem is that blizzard fucked up the combat log
01:36.12vhaarrand there's no such CAST event in there
01:36.20frontendloaderoh
01:36.21vhaarrSPELL_CAST_SUCCESS, that is
01:36.31vhaarrthey forgot many combat log events in ICC
01:36.40frontendloaderwell, you can definitely change that to 30 sec repeating
01:36.45frontendloaderafter the first one is seen
01:36.48vhaarrwe have just added it preemptively in the hopes that they will fix it
01:36.57frontendloaderits very rigid timing
01:37.02frontendloaderI was using the stopwatch
01:37.19vhaarrI'm sure you can produce a patch for me?
01:37.26frontendloaderprobably :/
01:37.30vhaarrthe repository is open to commits
01:37.46vhaarrso commit freely, and ask my forgiveness after
01:39.17vhaarrfrontendloader: basically the IDs in that :Bar invoke are references to (1) the .toggleOptions entry for the module and (2) the spell ID whos ICON we want to use on the bar
01:39.53vhaarrfrontendloader: if you take a look at the .toggleOptions at the top you will see that the spell "Vile Gas" is represented as the 10man ID (72272) there
01:40.13vhaarrso hence, whenever we want to invoke a bar, message, or whatever, linked to that toggleOption, we pass in 72272
01:40.18vhaarrno matter which spell was actually cast
01:41.10vhaarr|self:Bar(72272, spellName, 30, 72272)| might as well have been |self:Bar(72272, spellName, 30, spellId)| for purposes of the second ID, the icon reference
01:41.44vhaarranyway if you have any questions just ask
01:42.47vhaarr(the .toggleOptions and .optionHeaders members are what we use to generate the ingame option UI from)
01:42.47frontendloaderyeah I get paranoid when I look at something that looks correct but isn't working correctly
01:42.52vhaarrit is correct
01:42.54frontendloaderand I see things as broken that aren't
01:42.58vhaarrbut it's not working because blizzard fucked it up
01:43.06vhaarrbasically the combat log event is never fired
01:43.10vhaarrlike it should be
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01:43.28frontendloaderyeah theres only one spell_cast_start that I can see in my combatlog I think
01:43.29vhaarrhowever I do believe he does a boss emote at the same time
01:43.31vhaarrwhich we can track
01:43.40frontendloaderthe very first one
01:43.56vhaarralright, but are you sure that's consistent
01:44.10frontendloaderbetter form to track the emote
01:44.16frontendloaderat this point
01:44.18vhaarrif possible, yes
01:44.32vhaarryou will need to confirm the emote and the actual text of it
01:44.44vhaarrfrontendloader: Transcriptor can be used for these purposes next time you want to investigate something
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01:44.56vhaarrfrontendloader: it logs all sorts of events meant to help developing boss mods
01:46.32frontendloaderthanks for the advice
01:47.28vhaarrno problem
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02:20.36Repo10grid2-alert: 03Azethoth * r19 Grid2Alert.lua: Fix hooking
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04:56.50Repo10revelation: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.2-1.5.4-1-2-gf4f99d1 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated)
04:56.52Repof4f99d1: Define ICON_PICK_LOCK in Revelation:CreateMenu() if it hasn't already been defined - ensures the information is available.
04:56.53Repo4fa084f: Moved definition of PROF_MENU_DATA into Scan() so the table is populated (if it hasn't already been) when things like spell icons are available to the client.
04:56.55Repof52791b: In Scan(): Reworked logic a bit and removed the possibility that func will be nil.
04:56.56Repo17d4b7a: Ignore devel-enUS.lua in the zip file.
04:57.39Repo10revelation: 03Torhal 043.3.2-1.5.5 * 28e569a /: [new tag] Tagging new release.
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05:07.16Groktardeathbringer's will hates me
05:07.25Groktarwe've had exactly one (1) so far
05:07.42Groktarpos cloak today
05:07.44Groktar/spit
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07:00.36miicais it anyway possible castas buffs from addon?
07:00.48miicabecause i would like to make somekind buff rotation macro
07:01.10Torhalmiica: From a secure frame that has its macro state set
07:01.39TorhalAnd each cast would have to be a hardware event
07:05.34miicais there way to add it to bars like macro
07:05.56miicaor maybe just advanced macro works :o
07:06.48TorhalGet Macaroon
07:08.44miicais there any nice timers
07:08.49miicalike sleep or something
07:08.59ShefkiI love Macaroon, I wish Maul worked on it more though. :(
07:09.58miicai want use engineer hand enchant > ivy veins > scale of fates > wait 8s > Hands enchant > wait 48s :D
07:10.09miicaand ofc i want it to w8 that buff ends before last one
07:10.10Shefkimiica: Yeah no.
07:10.13miicanew one :D
07:10.20TorhalEach spell cast requires a handware event
07:10.24TorhalYou cannot bot it
07:10.32Torhals/handware/hardware/
07:10.34ShefkiWell item uses doesn't stop the macro
07:10.44ShefkiSo the hand enchant can be combined.
07:10.51ShefkiAnd icy veins might be able to be used.
07:11.01ShefkiI don't remember if it's one of the special spells that are exceptions.
07:11.17ShefkiBasically anything that doesn't trigger a GCD can be chanined in one macro
07:11.37Shefkiwaiting of course is impossible.
07:11.55miicayeah but ofc i understand if i need to click few times
07:12.09miicalike that i need to press key again
07:12.21miicai just wanna make it to automaticly select spell for me
07:12.26miicaand show when to click
07:12.38ShefkiI think you're expecting too much from a macro
07:12.45ShefkiMacros aren't here to play the game for you.
07:13.26miicayes they are if i make them to do so :D
07:13.42miicai want perfect buff rotation :)
07:13.55miicait helps my dps and i can drink more
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07:31.28Repo10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r221 MagicDKP.lua: [*]Valithria fix.
07:31.42miicacan you cast spells after slash commands? :P
07:32.04Repo10raidycheck: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0-beta-5-8-gdd8f8cc modules/BossMod.lua: [+1 commit] BossMod:
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07:49.57Mikkmiica: yes, unless the slash command does something that invokes gcd
07:50.07Mikklike oh /cast spell  ;)
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08:09.19nevcairielits the 9am reboot!
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08:11.28Repo10incubator2: 03Morgalm 04v1.05 * r17 : Tagging as v1.05
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08:31.12miicai did global lol function and tried to call it from button frame with onclick but not working :<
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08:46.11miicahttp://pastebin.com/WBVWxGRP
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08:59.00Primerdammit, there's no regex in lua?
08:59.32Primerhow the hell do I match "raid\d+" and not "raid\d+target"
08:59.50Primerraid1 or raid13
08:59.59Primerbut not raid1target or raid13target
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09:00.01TorhalPrimer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Pattern_matching
09:00.27Primerand here I was reading something on lua.org
09:01.50Primerok, so it was what I thought, something like "^raid%d+$"
09:03.47Primerperfect, thanks
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09:21.59miicacant be so hard to make one button which buffs you :D
09:23.32miicai wanna see if everybody got arcane inttelect if not it turn red and it will buff those who dont have it
09:23.41miicalittle like vuhdo
09:29.34SunTsumiica: sounds like ZOMGBuffs to me
09:30.58miicait is kinda bloat too
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09:34.02miicaonly problem is that casting :
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09:53.49Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 6bf1b83 / (13 files in 2 directories): [+6 commits] (2 truncated)
09:53.51Repo6bf1b83: For all profession Init functions: Moved wrapper function outside to the main file body since it no longer needs to be aware of a RecipeDB, and updated all occurrences of addTrade* to the new names/usages.
09:53.52Repo51f03de: In addon:Scan(): Removed double declaration of local recipe_list
09:53.53Repo12bad2e: Updated addon:InitializeRecipe() to reflect the changes in addon:AddRecipe()
09:53.54Repo6f654f9: Renamed addon:addTradeAcquire() to addon:AddRecipeAcquire() and removed the DB parameter in favor of using private.recipe_list.
09:56.52Repo10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 2aad972 Datamine.lua: [+1 commit] In RecipeDump(): Updated to output self:AddRecipeFlags() and self:AddRecipeAdquire()
09:59.22miicasecure templates or something O,o
09:59.30miicai need to hook with wow defaul ui or something+ :D
10:00.27SunTsumiica: did I miss the rest of your line starting with "only problem is that casting :"?
10:00.57miicafuck this :D
10:03.10miicaso if i wanna do button which casts molter armor what i need?
10:03.30miicaxml with button in it and onclick? :O
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10:44.54Reporemoved alpha tags for Curse users so new features show up in beta builds
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12:52.02Repo10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r221 / (13 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
12:52.03Repo*3.02.38 (11-MAR-2010)*
12:52.05Repo* fixed - issue with bank window not refreshing properly when you enter or leave the bank (caused by fix for another bank issue)
12:52.06Repo* fixed - cooldowns will now display instantly when instant sorting is not enabled
12:52.07Repo* added - support for the following trash vendoring mods: SellJunk, Scrap
12:55.52Repo10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.38 * r222 :  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
12:56.06Repo*3.02.38 (11-MAR-2010)*
12:56.07Repo* fixed - issue with bank window not refreshing properly when you enter or leave the bank (caused by fix for another bank issue)
12:56.08Repo* fixed - cooldowns will now display instantly when instant sorting is not enabled
12:56.09Repo* added - support for the following trash vendoring mods: SellJunk, Scrap
13:10.21Myrroddin~seen Dathrarhek
13:10.23purli haven't seen 'dathrarhek', Myrroddin
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13:54.11Funkeh`why the fuck does youtube think i need to upgrade my flash player
13:54.27Funkeh`won't let me watch anything
13:54.37nevcairielwild guess, because its old? :d
13:54.55Funkeh`it gives a direct link to the update which is the exact version i have
13:55.26Funkeh`wow works fine in firefox so they broke it in opera 10.5 for no reason
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14:09.57arkanesyes, I'm sure thats what happened
14:10.05arkanessome guy at Google was like, fuck you opera guys, I hate you
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18:14.08koaschtenFunkeh` just switch over to youtube beta with html5 ;)
18:14.50Megalonand take part in the formatwar!
18:18.02Funkeh`koaschten, it doesn't work in opera
18:18.14Funkeh`they support it but google use some stupid codec or something
18:18.24koaschtenoh yeah right
18:18.27koaschtenpoor you
18:18.32Funkeh`?
18:18.37koaschteninstall the flash beta with gpu acceleration then
18:18.49Funkeh`from what ive heard, ill pass
18:18.58Funkeh`i'd rather they fix html5 to work
18:19.01Funkeh`fucking flash
18:19.07Funkeh`but it works now anyway
18:19.13Funkeh`must have been temporary code tweaks
18:21.03sylvanaar_atworki hate flash
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18:39.42Gnarfoz<@Funkeh`> they support it but google use some stupid codec or something <-- that being the most efficient video codec out there, yeah. thank MPEG LA and companies being pussies for it not being supported in most browsers... or the bullshit US patent system
18:40.19Funkeh`okay
18:41.26Gnarfoztheora is "free" but people are scared of "submarine patents" that might cover its implementation
18:41.39Gnarfoz(and it's simply "less good" than h264)
18:42.06Gnarfozbut I'm a trade vessel!
18:42.17Gnarfozare you a time traveller from WW2, koaschten
18:42.27koaschteni dont care, i am german :X
18:42.55Gnarfozyou suck at this :p
18:43.05Gnarfoz<:
18:43.25Gnarfozdid you get any snow last night, koaschten?
18:43.30koaschtenthe only thing i suck at is shopping for a new laptop :(
18:43.38koaschtenno! we had 4°C+
18:43.54Gnarfozcurious
18:44.07Gnarfozwe had a tiny bit, but it was gone by noon
18:44.28koaschtenbut we had like 15cm over the last weekend
18:44.48koaschtenwhich is gone by now and the streets are clear for the first time for (i dare saying) months
18:45.55olafskihmm. youtube beta does not use flash? oO
18:46.26Gnarfozthe html5 beta doesn't, that's the whole point
18:46.32Funkeh`was gonna say
18:46.36olafskiI thought html was a markup language :<
18:46.53Gnarfozit is
18:46.53Gnarfozand html5 has <video>
18:47.06Gnarfozi.e.: browsers with html5 support can show video on their own
18:47.09olafskiI'll just go read about it or something :P
18:47.15Gnarfozwithout the abomnination called Flash
18:47.22olafskibut will we still have those overlay thingies that youtube has then?
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18:47.35Gnarfozhuh? the fucking annoying annotations?
18:48.06olafskiI'm sure people who use them think they're useful
18:48.15GnarfozI don't see how that could not be similarily implemented, but the whole thing has problems that are a bit bigger
18:48.49olafskiI don't mind flash
18:48.53Gnarfozthe primary one being: lack of supported codecs in browsers because of patents and licensing encumberments
18:49.00koaschtenno according to the beta page, text boxes arnt yet supported in the html5 beta
18:49.20olafskibet people who used to use them will find that annoying
18:49.28olafskiand no more youtube games :(
18:49.41Gnarfozyoutube games?
18:49.43Gnarfoz:X
18:49.48koaschteninteractive movies
18:50.00Gnarfozlike... stream splicing for the poor?
18:50.03koaschtenlike 10 seconds movies where you decide which movie to watch next
18:50.05koaschtenyeah
18:50.10Gnarfozby clicking on annotations with link to other videos...
18:50.12Gnarfozomg ;o
18:50.44Gnarfozheh, ingenious actually, but the loading times wouldn't really make that enjoyable for me, I think
18:50.55olafskiyeah the loading times make it a bit bad
18:51.01olafskibut it's nice to see how much work people put into it
18:51.07koaschtenpff you dont notice it at360p and 10sec playtime
18:51.09olafskiI saw a streetfighter youtube version once
18:52.37Gnarfozanyway - h264 licensing is bad, but at least it's predictable. Google just bought On2 (and thus, the IP of their premier codec, VP8, which comes somewhere near h264 in terms of quality), I guess we'll see how that plays out... Theora? I'm not sure, it's worse than both, but free. (Barring said "submarine patents" that someone could show up once it's established, and sue for royalties...)
18:53.36Gnarfozkoaschten: 360p? :< no thanks, I'm a HD junkie, even with crappy 3mbit broadband ;>
18:54.08olafskithat doesn't mean they made every little video in that youtube game in hd =)
18:54.54koaschteni always get depressed checking http://www.youtube.com/my_speed
18:55.49koaschteni am on 6mbit and it rates my provider at avg 3mbit
18:56.01koaschtenand 2 days it spiked down to less than 1
18:56.21Megalon:S
18:56.27koaschtenhttp://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chxt=x%2Cy&chd=s%3AACEGIKMOQSUWYachjlprtvxz18%2Ctuvuvrwxwwxvrvwxzy001101Sy%2CACEGIKMOQSUWYachjlprtvxz18%2Cnpqqqmqssssqlqrsrrvuvuqifm%2CACEGIKMOQSUWYachjlprtvxz18%2Ctwyxxuyz000ytzz0003222yliu%2CACEGIKMOQSUWYachjlprtvxz18%2Cxz0zwt02342ws1241z67783pny%2CACEGIKMOQSUWYachjlprtvxz1358%2Cqqtsrrrututqpuuvvrxxxxxyx0zv&chxp=0%2C5%2C95&chxr=1%2C0%2C4.06&chco=FFCC33%2C3072F3%2C80C65A%2CFFA6C0%2CE1E1E1&chs=550x300&cht=lxy&c
18:56.30koaschtenwoah
18:56.35koaschtenok, that link was too long :D
18:56.48PProvostbit.ly ?
18:56.54koaschtenhttp://tinyurl.com/ygq929k
18:56.56Gnarfozhttp://to./
18:56.57Gnarfoz:D
18:57.20koaschtenPProvost sure, i just didnt expect it being that long when i rightclicked the gfx and said copy url ;)
18:57.48TNSeWho needs anything beyond h.264
18:57.51olafskiit says 22mbit for my ISP.. haven't played any videos so no stats for me
18:58.22olafskihow does that to. thing work :( doesn't it need a suffix at least?
18:58.42Gnarfozthat is the suffix, actuall
18:58.43Gnarfozy
18:59.14Gnarfozthe trailing period is just so your browser doesn't get smart and tries to append .com or something
18:59.45olafskiok so what is the domain? :{
18:59.59olafskidamn I saw that html5 has a <ruby> tag and got excited, turns out it's not what I hoped it was ;p
19:00.02Gnarfozto
19:00.03Gnarfoz:D
19:00.10TNSeheh
19:00.16TNSe<jscript> tag too?
19:00.45olafskinah ruby was some chineseish thing
19:00.54olafskiit still has <script> it seems
19:01.06olafskiwould be nice if it would support ruby scripting next to javascript =)
19:01.13olafskibut I guess that might be more of a browser-decision
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19:02.14olafski<a ping="bla.com" href="google.com">, nice =)
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19:03.41Megalonyea, one of the first things you disable after in a fresh browser :p
19:03.53Megalonafter install :7
19:04.00olafskinot me
19:06.40Gnarfozwhen I watch the Oscars, I always wonder how the winners can go on and on and on thanking what seems to be a metric asston of people :D
19:07.19SunTsuGnarfoz: the Dude?
19:07.22quiescensiuno
19:07.29olafskiframeset is dropped.. does this mean frames are no longer allowed whatsoever? or is there another way to specify them
19:07.35quiescensthanking people seems reasonable
19:07.55olafskiyeah
19:07.58quiescenswould you rather people got up there and just talked about themselves?
19:08.01quiescenslol
19:08.01olafskiit's not as if they made that movie on their own :P
19:08.46Gnarfozquiescens: well, yes, but especialy awards like 'best actor' seem to be for the actors, not "I want to thank Fox Searchlight, our wonderful distributor..." :D
19:09.13SunTsuGnarfoz: but they couldn't do their best without optimal support
19:09.17Megalonthere are asses that have to be licked
19:09.19quiescenseh
19:09.20GnarfozSunTsu: indeed *makes a White Russian*
19:09.28quiescensthey don't thank their distributors do they?
19:09.31quiescensisn't it normally like
19:09.36Gnarfozquiescens: Jeff Bridges did ;D
19:09.53quiescensfamily, friends, maybe the director or like um, costars
19:10.00olafskiwithout a distributor there probably wouldn't have been a movie
19:10.20Megalonwithout thermonuclear fusion of atoms
19:10.23Megalonthere would also be no movie
19:10.34Megalondo they think the laws of physic?
19:10.36Megalon;/
19:10.39Megalonthank :C
19:11.43Gnarfozwell, I don't think I'll ever be in their position, so I'll never know, still, as a viewer, it sometimes just seems weird ^^
19:12.48olafskiwho presented the oscars?
19:13.01SunTsuSteve Martin
19:13.06Gnarfozand Alec Baldwin
19:13.14olafskiI liked it when john stewart did it :(
19:13.25Megalonjon stewart sat outside of someones house
19:13.31Megalonwith an eggapult
19:13.35Megalonnaked
19:13.51SunTsuI didn't watch it this time, 2000 Steve Martin did it, too, and I really liked him as host
19:14.23SunTsu"Crowching Tiger, hidden Dragon? Sounds like something Siegfried & Roy do at home!"
19:14.44olafskiI like crowching :-) sounds like eating birds or something
19:14.47olafskior selling them
19:14.58SunTsuer crouching
19:17.50quiescenso.o
19:17.55quiescenspoor birds
19:17.58quiescens):
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19:28.35pompyhttp://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23710462050-dev-team-pls-consider-combat-log-change-cata.html
19:28.52Ingelaanyone elses DXE doesnt' work
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20:34.23XtekSo peoples in Vegas should come hang out with the Curse peoples.
20:35.10AckisI even submitted it to N4G Xtek! http://bit.ly/aflaOA
20:35.23XtekI have to log in.
20:35.24XtekWhat fail.
20:35.40Ackisit's the authorization part of it :P
20:35.47Ackisonce it's approved you don't!!!
20:37.13Xtekhttp://j.mp > http://bit.ly
20:37.29Ackismeh bit.ly has my history!
20:37.32Ackiswe go way back
20:37.35Ackislike a few months!
20:38.21Xtek!
20:42.16KaeltenAckis: that's foreva
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21:05.31HjalteMy Hero goes vrooom fast with the new Opera Mini 5 browser
21:06.06SunTsuHjalte: yeah, Opera Mini is fun - but I still refuse to do all my browsing over opera's server
21:07.43HjalteSunTsu: Untill there's something better it just looks like the only viable browser. The stock browser is far too slow when you have an alternative.
21:09.46SunTsuHjalte: yeah, it's the same with my E72, but I prefer slow to having all my stuff done over Opera's proxy servers
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21:15.16Gnarfozhttp://to./ > <+Xtek> http://j.mp > http://bit.ly
21:16.06Gnarfozman, MPC-HC x64's MPEG2 decoder really doesn't cope well with big files :X
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21:22.23Primertoo bad no browser understands that a TLD may have an A record
21:23.05Primerfirefox thought I typo'd "http://to" (a perfectly valid URL)
21:23.13Primerand took me to www.to.com
21:23.44Primerpretty sure there's a setting to turn that off, but it's the default behavior
21:25.01koaschtenaugh blizzard ... http://ace.pastey.net/134084
21:25.13SunTsuPrimer: I still hate the concept to have no host portion
21:26.40PrimerSunTsu: I've always wanted my own TLD
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21:27.19Primerbut realized that since most web users would look at it and go "huh?", followed by most browsers expecting a second level, it was futile
21:28.15Primersince an email address can also be a TLD
21:28.27Primer"Hey, what's your emails address?"
21:28.29Primer"x"
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21:28.38Primer(where x was said TLD)
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21:28.57Primerexcept, of course, no mail program will accept that either, despite being perfectly valid
21:29.00GnarfozPrimer: firefox accepts "to.", not sure what you typed in
21:29.13SunTsuPrimer: without a local part? I doubt that
21:29.17PrimerGnarfoz: I wrote what I typed id
21:29.30Gnarfozwell, turn off "auto append .com" :p
21:29.36PrimerSunTsu: of course it's valid
21:29.43PrimerI researched this long ago
21:29.44Gnarfoz(other browser try to be smart that way, too)
21:30.11Primera TLD may have an mx
21:30.35GnarfozFQDNs with trailing dots should be familiar from DNS zone files, it's not magic that appending one in this case makes it work ^^
21:30.54SunTsuPrimer: yeah, but AFAIK RFC822 and following define a mail address as having a local part before an @
21:31.38Primermaybe I'm confused...perhaps you're right
21:32.01PrimerI looked into this long ago, back when I pondered running my own root server and creating TLDs :)
21:32.16Primerwhich, of course, someone else actually tried to do
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21:33.30SunTsuOH, I ran my own root server some time ago, but it was on ORSN, which is dead now
21:35.34Primeryeah, I remember people had written browser plugins to support it
21:36.03SunTsuit was fun while it lasted
21:36.26Gnarfozaddr-spec   =  local-part "@" domain        ; global address
21:36.32Gnarfozseems local-part is indeed required
21:36.57Gnarfoz(I hate reading RFCs, it's like reading legal documents or laws. urgh.)
21:37.23SunTsuGnarfoz: anything else would have been a big surprise, actually
21:37.23yoshimonot easy to understand
21:37.32Gnarfoz(well, at least, they try to be self-contained and explain how they're supposed to be read, quite contrary to the other two examples I gave)
21:38.05Gnarfozso, The Hurt Locker or (the new) Sherlock Holmes - which one first? ^^
21:38.14ckknightanyone know any addons that make selling enchants easier?
21:38.22AckisI was bored with the Hurt Locker
21:39.37Gnarfozso, Hurt Locker first, while I'm still awake from my own energy and Sherlock Holmes afterwards, which will hopefully keep my awake ;-)
21:39.52Gagorian-I liked Sherlock Holmes
21:40.02Gagorian-Hurt Locker was alright too, but not as good as I expected it to be
21:40.09PrimerI actually read RFC822 the other day
21:40.17Primerfor something unrelated
21:40.41Gnarfozthe last time I read rfc822 was when I stumbled upon "plushaters" on the net ^^
21:41.20Primeruser+something@domain.com?
21:41.41Gnarfozyep, apparently there's loads of pages that reject that kind of address
21:41.55Primerthey'd be in the wrong by doing so
21:42.01SunTsuI still have to look into how to do +x-stuff with exim
21:42.06Gnarfozindeed, that's why they're being called plushaters :D
21:43.33PrimerI remember why I was reading RFC822 now. I was looking for info regarding reverse DNS. I might have actually been reading another RFC, one that handles the network aspect of SMTP
21:44.25Primersome dude was having trouble sending mail from his server hosted on AT&T business. His IP had no PTR record
21:44.27Primeramazing stuff
21:44.41Primerhow does a huge ISP like AT&T not setup PTR records?
21:45.13SunTsuPrimer: because the see no need for it
21:45.48Gnarfozand it's not really necessary anyway
21:45.57SunTsuwhen working at an ISP I didn't do that either, only after some guys complained about mail delivery problems
21:46.05Gnarfozjust helps distinguish spoofed addresses from real ones
21:47.21koaschteni hate people that wont allow me to do + in emails so i can just do like alias+somesite@gmail.com
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22:14.53Daduke1howdy
22:15.18Daduke1Is there anything like the cluster part of vuhdo for gird?
22:15.31Daduke1it shows how many people are near each other in a raid setting
22:15.48Daduke1amazing for healing ie chain heals
22:15.55Daduke1I just really like grid still
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22:22.26Primerhow come I've never heard of vuhdo
22:22.49PrimerSeems that it's JAUFA
22:24.30SunTsuPrimer: it's meant for healers mostly, combining grid-like features, Clique-like features and advanced stuff
22:24.54Daduke1I'd just kill for the cluster sensor on grid
22:24.55PrimerI have 2 healers class 80s, but I still use PB and mouseover macros
22:24.57Daduke1its amazing ;/
22:25.16SunTsuI was about to test it myself today - when I noticed that my game card ran out some days ago
22:25.21Primercombined with my new DirectionArrow addon
22:25.42Daduke1direction arrow ?
22:26.16PrimerI haven't released it yet. All it does it point an arrow at the unit under the mouse in (untested) any unit frame
22:26.30Primeronly tested with PB4 so far
22:27.05Primerlots of people tell me it's useless, but I grew tired of trying to find people that were out of range
22:27.20Primerand having them inevitably die from lack of heals
22:27.44Daduke1Well I'd love it if one you made that cluster addon for gird
22:27.56arkanesPrimer: that sounds pretty awesome, I'd use it
22:28.35arkanesPrimer: also vuhdo is healbot who are to awesome to use something called "healbot"
22:28.46Primerarkanes: Here's a video of it in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaY0PiG6CdE
22:29.10arkanesPrimer: it just follows your mousover?
22:29.28Primerarkanes: yup. It's braindead simple
22:29.33PrimerI can post a zip if you want
22:29.44arkanessure
22:29.49arkaneslooks pretty straightforward
22:30.08olafskipeople who run out of my range can hope some other healer has them in range tbh ;)
22:30.16arkanesgenerally thats my feeling too
22:30.21arkanesbut sometimes it's important
22:30.59Primerhttp://ceregatti.org/DirectionArrow.zip
22:31.10Primerit has all the deps inside though
22:31.12arkanesCool beans
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22:31.31arkanesflighthud? :P
22:31.59Primerunlike TomTomPing (which can do the same thing), it 1) doesn't rely on TomTom, and 2) attaches itself to the raid frame (only tested in PB4)
22:32.02Primerarkanes: eh?
22:32.10arkanesyou've got FlightHud inside it
22:32.14Primererr
22:32.16Primerwtf
22:32.30Primeroh, heh
22:32.32arkaneshmm, I do use tomtom already
22:32.36Primerthose 2 files are just there for reference
22:32.41arkanesmaybe I'll look into TomTomPing too
22:32.41Primerthat's my other addon
22:33.23arkanesI'm not sure I want it in my crazy arrow, though, because I'd want this in a different spot
22:33.24Primerarkanes: I also wrote FriendlyArrow, whose goal was to "display an arrow to party/raid members that were out of range at cast time"
22:33.42arkanesit seems you have a lot of these things :P
22:33.44PrimerI did in fact achieve that goal
22:33.53olafskiwhy does vuhdo have its own widgets for the control panel? seems like a lot of work
22:34.18arkanesolafski: in a world where people get sexually turned on from vomiting on horses, anything is possible
22:34.20Primerbut I gave up on it once the TomTomPing dude said he was going to do the same thing, and seemed to have more time on his hands. He never actually created the same functionality though
22:34.31PrimerI have yet another video that demonstrates that as well :)
22:35.39olafskiarkanes: :P
22:35.51Primerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPgpff_uS2w
22:36.16Primerthat video shows the arrow being hidden once I'm within range of the raid member
22:36.47Primeror something
22:37.50PrimerI gave up on FriendlyArrow a while back. The TomTomPing guy never did replicate the _exact_ functionality I wanted
22:38.20arkanesI wonder
22:38.23PrimerHealers to this day still "look for people" in raid scenarios
22:38.34PrimerI had it happen just the other day when I was leading a 25 ICC
22:38.44arkanesif I could use SexyMaps HUD functionality to show player blips in a sort of hud thing
22:38.53Primer"Tree druid, battle rez the dead lock"
22:38.54arkanesmaybe toggling to their name in response to raid alerts
22:39.03Primer"Tree druid, battle rez the dead lock"
22:39.15Primer"Tree druid, are you going to battle rez the dead lock or not?"
22:39.23Primer"I CAN'T FUCKING FIND HIM!!"
22:39.30PrimerThe End
22:40.19PrimerHe was out of range of the lock, and didn't know where he was in the room
22:40.38PrimerHe literally ran around the entire room trying to cast rebirth without it saying "out of range"
22:41.03Primerthe wait felt like an eternity
22:41.14PrimerI'm sure it only took him about 15 seconds, but still
22:41.38Primerarkanes: what unit frame addon do you use, btw?
22:42.27olafskiI'd say this vuhdo seems to do a lot more than healbot
22:42.33arkanesI use healbot and grid
22:42.42olafskiI've looked at healbot many times and every time I decide "meh, doesn't seem to beat grid+decursive+clique"
22:42.42arkanesolafski: healbots picked up all the features it had
22:42.50Primerbut doesn't healbot implement its own frames?
22:42.52olafskiarkanes: really? hmm. that cluster thing seems nice
22:42.52arkanesthey all do more or less the same thing
22:42.55arkanesit does!
22:43.04arkanesI use 2 sets of raid frames
22:43.08Primerthen you have 2
22:43.09Primerwow
22:43.13arkaneser, wait
22:43.16arkanesnot healbot and grid
22:43.18arkaneshealbot and suf
22:43.22olafskiI use grid :d
22:43.44PrimerI use PB, but in 40 mans, I make it look like grid :)
22:43.49olafskithink I'll have a look at vuhdo sometime.. might replace my current setup
22:43.59arkanesthey all do pretty much the same thing
22:44.10PrimerI like the configurability of PB too much
22:44.11olafskioh I use SUF too.. for player/target/party
22:44.17arkanespeople get all emotional about them for pretty much the same reason programmers have fights about editors
22:44.21olafskistill have party enabled even in raisd
22:44.28olafskihehe
22:44.30olafskiyeah I guess so
22:44.32olafskiwell, nn ;-0
22:44.45SunTsuI never looked at healbot, currently using grid + clique, but vuhdo looks amazing
22:45.03arkanesI hated vuhdos config
22:45.08arkanesenough that I couldn't stand using it
22:45.18Kuosicba to confi vuhdo so going with grid
22:45.22Kuosigrid isnt really lacking anything
22:45.25Kuosiso no need to change
22:45.28Primerthat seems to always be the problem with unit frames addons
22:45.36Primerpeople don't want to spend time configuring them
22:45.37arkanesgrid is missing a ton of stuff imo :/
22:45.46Kuosiarkanes: like?
22:45.48PrimerI think this is where grid outdoes most
22:45.56arkanesPrimer: sure, thats why there's 900 almost identical ones that all do nearly the same thing
22:45.57Primeras it's "good enough" out of the box
22:46.03arkanessee, tahts odd
22:46.22arkanesbecause my opinion, and the reason lots of people use healbot or vudho instead, is that grid does jack out of the box
22:46.24Kuositaken you need certain plugins for grid to fit some classes(druid)
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22:46.41Kuosifor new players
22:46.48arkanesits not even "new players"
22:46.48Kuosivuhdo is propably better choice
22:46.50Primerarkanes: heh, I've actually never used grid
22:46.57Kuosibut most ppl have been using grid for years
22:47.01Primerit just seems that every screen shot I've ever seen of grid looks the same
22:47.02Kuosithe setup is still the sae
22:47.06arkanesits for people who can't be assed to figure out which of 100 third party addons they actually want
22:47.11Primerso I presumed it just comes like that
22:47.21arkanesand then spend all the time figuring out which ones actualyl work and are maintained
22:47.32PrimerThis is why I like PB4
22:47.42Primerit has everything I need
22:47.45Primerand then some
22:47.48arkanessomeday I'll write my own healing frames
22:48.00KuosiInjector and freebgrid
22:48.01SunTsuwhat I miss about grid is for instance showing buff/hot/debuff runtime
22:48.06Kuosiare both also very good out of the box
22:48.07arkanesbecause healbot has bugs that bother me, and vuhdo is nasty, and grid is designed retarded
22:48.16KuosiSunTsu: hum?
22:48.19Kuosimy grid shows durations
22:48.38SunTsuKuosi: of, for instance, lifebloom?
22:48.50KuosiI use statushots+cornertext
22:48.52Kuosion my druid
22:48.55PrimerI'd like PB4 to show me when a raid/party member lacks a buff I can provide, for example. Perhaps it already does this somehow?
22:48.58arkanesyou need plugins to do that, of course
22:49.02Kuosiyes
22:49.08arkanesguess how many plugins there are to show druid hots?
22:49.23arkanesPrimer: I don't use it, but healbot can do that
22:49.34Kuosihttp://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=druidzor.jpg
22:49.36arkanesI use zomgbuffs to handle buffing
22:49.38Primerarkanes: I will never use healbot
22:49.39Kuosiold shot but still works
22:49.59ThraeoUF_Freebgrid has worked wonders for me while Resto [Druid].
22:51.12PrimerI really need a widescreen display
22:51.27PrimerSo I can totally redo my UI
22:51.30Primerit's fugly
22:51.31SunTsuso, probably it's cornertext that I'm missing
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