| 00:05.17 | Funkeh` | I just tried out a torrent without any trackers for the first time, damn DHT and Peer Exchange is really kicking ass since the last time i tried that |
| 00:07.31 | Fisker | ;O |
| 00:09.50 | Funkeh` | mainly after reading the blog, albeit old: https://thepiratebay.org/blog/175 |
| 00:10.04 | Funkeh` | promoting DHT+PEX only |
| 00:10.30 | Funkeh` | scroll down beyond the magnet bullshit |
| 00:11.20 | NeoTron | I think the "hybrid tax system" is so rediculous when some of the strongest dpsers, beating pure dps, are hybrids |
| 00:13.11 | Shefki | What hybrid tax system, they got rid of that ages ago. |
| 00:13.16 | Gnarfoz | Killmore: not at all |
| 00:13.24 | Shefki | But really I can't think of any hybrid that's particularly strong right now. |
| 00:13.44 | Shefki | I'm seeing Mages, Hunters and Rogues doing really well. |
| 00:13.49 | Gnarfoz | of course they still have hybrid tax, what are you smoking |
| 00:14.14 | Gnarfoz | I've not seen mages or hunters beat warriors, paladins or DKs for a while |
| 00:14.25 | Gnarfoz | (regarding your second statement) |
| 00:14.30 | Shefki | Umm I see itt all the time. |
| 00:14.39 | Shefki | DK's may do really well on some fights. |
| 00:14.58 | Shefki | Particularly if there's value in aoe on that fight. |
| 00:15.02 | Gnarfoz | not just some |
| 00:15.04 | NeoTron | Shefki: no, no they did not. they still have it and want it |
| 00:15.06 | Gnarfoz | and not AoE at all |
| 00:15.10 | NeoTron | except it's obviously broken as heck |
| 00:15.46 | pompy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/24038607788-when-will-hybrid-tax-apply-to-fury-warriors.html |
| 00:15.53 | Fisker | it's funny Shefki |
| 00:15.54 | Gnarfoz | (except if there's some AoE going on at festergut that I'm not aware of, or at Saurfang) |
| 00:16.08 | Fisker | they said they wanted to get rid of it, well basically they were ok with a like ~5% discrepancy |
| 00:16.12 | Fisker | now they're backpedalling again |
| 00:16.23 | Fisker | just make the damn pure classes fun to play as well |
| 00:16.26 | Fisker | problem solved |
| 00:16.48 | NeoTron | as a warlock I am glad if I get around 8th dps normally and a superior performance puts me around 3-5 :P |
| 00:16.52 | Fisker | i don't want to be in raids where you take 15 people you need and then 10 rogues to fill up the dps |
| 00:16.56 | Shefki | Fisker: Right and I don't consider that 5% difference a tax. |
| 00:17.02 | Shefki | I just consider a difference. |
| 00:17.03 | NeoTron | but no more than 10-30% below the mages in dps though |
| 00:17.04 | Fisker | i know |
| 00:17.05 | NeoTron | so it's close! |
| 00:17.06 | Fisker | neither did they |
| 00:17.13 | Fisker | that's why i said they were backpedalling |
| 00:17.23 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: it's still the "hybrid tax" regardless of your opinion of it |
| 00:17.34 | NeoTron | the problem is it's non-existing |
| 00:17.37 | Fisker | i mean a hunter can like do 3-4k more dps in it's best-in-slot gear than a paladin can do in it's best-in-slot gear including shadowmourne lol |
| 00:17.45 | Fisker | and shadowmourne is like a 1k-1,5k damage upgrade |
| 00:17.56 | NeoTron | Fisker: except patchwerk is not your typical fight? |
| 00:17.58 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: 5% is non-existant for all practical purposes. Skill and fight mechanics account for more differences than that. |
| 00:18.05 | NeoTron | but hunters in general aren't ones to suffer |
| 00:18.28 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: you're aware there's more than a 5% difference even on paper? |
| 00:18.32 | Gnarfoz | simcraft etc? |
| 00:18.35 | Shefki | Huntesr are suffering? We're running 2-3 every single night. |
| 00:18.37 | Shefki | You're nuts. |
| 00:19.05 | Gnarfoz | like fisker just said, some classes just have a higher upper bound than others |
| 00:19.19 | NeoTron | Shefki: hunters are not |
| 00:19.21 | NeoTron | nor are mages |
| 00:19.26 | NeoTron | warlocks are for sure |
| 00:19.32 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: That doesn't make it a tax, that's just the differences in classes. There will never be perfect balance. |
| 00:19.38 | Gnarfoz | dude |
| 00:19.46 | Shefki | Calling it a tax implies that there's some massive difference between the classes, there isn't. |
| 00:19.47 | Gnarfoz | they're calling that difference "hybrid tax" |
| 00:20.03 | Gnarfoz | and why does "tax" imply "massive" |
| 00:20.06 | NeoTron | they are calling it a hybrid tax and intends it to be 5% |
| 00:20.06 | Shefki | Calling it a tax implies an intent that wasn't there. |
| 00:20.12 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 00:20.15 | Gnarfoz | taxes are intentional |
| 00:20.16 | Fisker | no the 5% difference was one made up due to the fact that not all classes are the same, and that there can't be a 100% perfect balance |
| 00:20.28 | Fisker | a tax implies it's a concious 5% difference, which it wasn't |
| 00:20.44 | NeoTron | Fisker: it is concious. it's flawed but intended to be 5% |
| 00:20.52 | Shefki | I don't think Blizzard sits around and tries to make damage output equal for all the classes. |
| 00:20.56 | Shefki | If you think that I think you're nuts. |
| 00:21.13 | Shefki | Blizzard is reactive. |
| 00:21.14 | NeoTron | lol |
| 00:21.16 | Shefki | They deal with problems. |
| 00:21.17 | NeoTron | of course they are |
| 00:21.17 | Gnarfoz | lol shefki |
| 00:21.21 | Shefki | Not proactive balance. |
| 00:21.22 | Megalon | there is no server lag, it's just blizzard running Simcraft with 1000000 players! |
| 00:21.24 | Gnarfoz | you're talking such shit |
| 00:21.30 | Torhal | I think they buff Hunters every single patch and either nerf or completely re-design the other classes. |
| 00:21.32 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:21.32 | NeoTron | if you think they are not, you're delusiounal |
| 00:21.39 | NeoTron | they don't succeed but it doesn't mean they aren't trying |
| 00:21.59 | Megalon | i'd have the solution of perfect balance |
| 00:22.02 | Shefki | Name one proactive change they've made this expansion? |
| 00:22.05 | Megalon | but it involves the deletion of 9 classes |
| 00:22.06 | Megalon | :[ |
| 00:22.23 | Mikk | they made enhancement shamans output competetive dps! |
| 00:22.29 | Mikk | oh wait, april 1 was several days ago |
| 00:22.32 | Mikk | soz |
| 00:22.40 | Fisker | but it's completed fucked with shamans |
| 00:22.44 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: all changes applied after creation of the game are "reactive" |
| 00:22.49 | Fisker | atleast with palas you'll need atleast 3, preferably 4 |
| 00:22.58 | Shefki | Gnarfoz: Not necessarily. |
| 00:23.02 | Fisker | with a shaman you can just say fuck all when you got the totems you need + bloodlust |
| 00:23.27 | Mikk | yes and no.. enh shamans have beefier WF totumz |
| 00:23.28 | Jygga | rly? can i reactivate my account? |
| 00:23.40 | Mikk | supposedly also convered by frost dks - another thing you don't really see in raids ;) |
| 00:23.41 | Fisker | question is if their lack of dps makes up for it |
| 00:23.47 | Mikk | hardly anymore |
| 00:23.51 | Mikk | they're so behind it's not even funny |
| 00:23.57 | Fisker | exactly |
| 00:24.02 | Gnarfoz | <+Mikk> oh wait, april 1 was several days ago <-- ? we've got a very good shaman who's constantly "up there" in damage |
| 00:24.13 | Mikk | enhancement? |
| 00:24.22 | Gnarfoz | we're talking about enh, so yes, enh |
| 00:24.29 | Fisker | Everyone should do a DPS as close as possible, then when you've gotten the 10 or so buffers for the raid, you're basically allowed to fill whatever you want |
| 00:24.30 | Jygga | ye i was always top3 with my enhancer but what does that tell you about my guildies? ^^ |
| 00:24.32 | Gnarfoz | and frost DKs just had their big revival party with 3.3.3 |
| 00:25.08 | Shefki | For what it's worth GC didn't respond to the hybrid tax issue there at all. He aggreed with a different poster who said the problem was rage was out of control. |
| 00:25.21 | Mikk | mmm i find that hard to believe. our enh shaman is seriously skilled on all toons he plays and sits around running enhsim all the time |
| 00:25.29 | Gnarfoz | but as someone who even got a blue reply to his post said, playing enhance as good as you need to to be in the top damage spots is really hard |
| 00:25.32 | Mikk | yet he's like 60-70% of top dps |
| 00:25.43 | NeoTron | what I really just don't like is how Blizzard appears to be unable to make destro dps be equivalent to other warlock builds |
| 00:25.48 | NeoTron | how hard can it possibly be? |
| 00:26.04 | Mikk | eh |
| 00:26.04 | Jygga | i stopped playing when our druid tank did more dps than i did |
| 00:26.13 | Mikk | destro is #1 dps |
| 00:26.17 | Mikk | spec for warlocks |
| 00:26.24 | NeoTron | Mikk: it's #3 |
| 00:26.26 | Mikk | oO |
| 00:26.26 | NeoTron | where have you been? |
| 00:26.33 | NeoTron | aff > demo > destro |
| 00:26.34 | Mikk | apparently missed something happening the last few weeks |
| 00:26.40 | Gnarfoz | under a rock, as others in this discussion seem to have been as well |
| 00:26.40 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:26.55 | Torhal | hands a rock to Gnarfoz. |
| 00:26.56 | NeoTron | that's been the case since icc gear became available and demo was changed to overtake destro |
| 00:26.56 | Gnarfoz | is "Collateral" any good? |
| 00:27.03 | NeoTron | before that, t9 level, it was aff> destro > demo |
| 00:27.05 | Gnarfoz | cuddles [Pet Rock] |
| 00:27.20 | Jygga | i think they are playing around with all that nonbalancing never solving anything just to keep people interested ^^ |
| 00:27.30 | Mikk | i find demo > destro to be 100% unbelievable |
| 00:27.36 | Mikk | yes for raids buffs. personal dps? eh no |
| 00:27.37 | Fisker | our enhancementl shaman is about 10k dps on Saurfang |
| 00:27.57 | Fisker | And our rogues are just shy of 13k |
| 00:27.59 | NeoTron | ah it seems like with the latest build, destro just barely overtook demo |
| 00:28.09 | Mikk | blinks |
| 00:28.09 | Fisker | so 30% seems right |
| 00:28.17 | Shefki | I swear the only reason anyone cares about class balance is: |
| 00:28.19 | Shefki | a) PVP |
| 00:28.19 | Fisker | hehe |
| 00:28.23 | Shefki | b) OMG I didn't get to go. |
| 00:28.34 | Shefki | b being in respect to PVE. |
| 00:28.38 | Fisker | this is funny, our restoration shaman did better dps than our enhancement shaman in his elemental offspec :P |
| 00:28.42 | Fisker | just barely |
| 00:28.49 | Shefki | If you're in the raid and doing the fights, who gives a crap if you're the top or the middle or the bottom of the dps meters. |
| 00:29.01 | Mikk | any fight with dps requirements cares |
| 00:29.19 | Shefki | Again see above, if you're in the fight, who cares. |
| 00:29.22 | Fisker | Heroic Blood Queen Lana'thel :P |
| 00:29.29 | Shefki | If you're not in the fight than the dps requirement argument has merit. |
| 00:29.38 | Shefki | But if people are taking you to dps check fights, you're probably fine. |
| 00:30.03 | Shefki | And for all your dicussion about Enh Shamans, I can't think of a point in time that we didn't take one to BQL. |
| 00:30.12 | Mikk | hrm only if you're fine punting out skilled people you've played with for 4 years and recruiting over them |
| 00:30.16 | Mikk | just because their class got shafted |
| 00:30.32 | Shefki | But I'm not seeing anyone get "shafted" |
| 00:30.39 | Shefki | Not on a wide scale. |
| 00:30.52 | NeoTron | Fisker: that is funny considering that elemental shaman definitely is on the tail end of dps |
| 00:30.53 | Gnarfoz | it's not like all raids/guilds even have this "nah, we won't take you on this raid because of your class" problem |
| 00:31.11 | Shefki | I'm seeing some players make unedcuated and ridiculous decisions based on dps charts, and I'm seeing other guilds make their own decisions and run with the very classes that other guilds think aren't viable. |
| 00:31.28 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather run with competent players |
| 00:31.34 | Mikk | Skill certainly matters more than everything else |
| 00:31.42 | Gnarfoz | too bad my server has few ^^ |
| 00:31.47 | Megalon | most fights are won because people don't fuck up |
| 00:31.49 | NeoTron | Shefki: let's be fair here, it sucks to play great, and know you played great, and still be like 5th on the dps chart despite doing your very best |
| 00:32.00 | Mikk | s/5th/15th/ |
| 00:32.03 | NeoTron | it's sucky to be beaten by an order of 1-3k dps |
| 00:32.11 | Shefki | NeoTron: Why? |
| 00:32.28 | Shefki | Some fights just aren't going to be conducive to you doing well on the meters. |
| 00:32.30 | NeoTron | Shefki: makes you just not want to try |
| 00:32.31 | Shefki | Some fights will be. |
| 00:32.35 | NeoTron | since trying won't help |
| 00:32.38 | NeoTron | naturally |
| 00:32.43 | NeoTron | I don't count such fights |
| 00:32.52 | Fisker | how is that relevant? |
| 00:32.59 | Shefki | Trying should be about beating yourself not beating someone else with a different class. |
| 00:33.04 | NeoTron | like on blood princes I run around doing not much at all to avoid boom balls |
| 00:33.07 | Shefki | Or maybe beating your peers of the same class. |
| 00:33.23 | NeoTron | which is also fair enough |
| 00:33.25 | Fisker | If you're 9k on fights that are good for you and 6k on fights that are bad for you, how is that relevant when these fights coincide with other melees who have 12k and 9k dps respectively? |
| 00:33.25 | Shefki | If you constantly measure yourself against every other class you're going to be in for disappointment anytime the tide turns against your class. |
| 00:33.37 | Shefki | And you can count on the the tide turning back and forth for every class at some point in time. |
| 00:34.03 | Mikk | well yes you can certainly count on varianc |
| 00:34.06 | NeoTron | but the argument that started this discussion is that Blizzard thinks there's a hybrid tax when clearly many hybrids do more dps in many cases than pure dps |
| 00:34.27 | Mikk | but someone doing 50% more than you just because of class is just not right |
| 00:34.46 | Shefki | I still think that fight mechanics and skill are the cause of that more than balance. |
| 00:34.53 | NeoTron | and I know I need to get rid of that stupid nibelung staff I have but the items I need don't drop in a way that lets me win them :P |
| 00:35.13 | NeoTron | what really sucks, and I know it's hardly important, is that I can't do good aoe dps |
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| 00:35.16 | NeoTron | as a warlock |
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| 00:35.31 | NeoTron | only way to do good aoe dps that rivals hybrid/mage aoe is to go demo and use demon form |
| 00:35.37 | Shefki | PVE isn't intended to be a compeition for top dps. |
| 00:35.38 | Mikk | melee wins aoe dps woopwoop |
| 00:35.41 | Shefki | It's about killing bosses. |
| 00:35.52 | Shefki | If you have the dps to kill bosses why does it matter who did what damage? |
| 00:36.09 | Mikk | it matters when you're sitting there lacking the last 1% |
| 00:36.11 | NeoTron | Shefki: right and pvp is about the enjoyment of fighting other players, not gaining the highest rank/most wins per loss/etc |
| 00:36.16 | Mikk | and you know that if your class wasnt shafted |
| 00:36.18 | Mikk | you'd have won |
| 00:36.18 | Fisker | but you don't have the dps because other classes are behind |
| 00:36.33 | Shefki | NeoTron: That's a straw man becuase PVP is very much about both. |
| 00:36.37 | NeoTron | Shefki: what you're saying is true only if the boss is not on farm. if the boss is on farm, it's not about killing it |
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| 00:37.10 | Mikk | no then it's about abyss shards \o/ |
| 00:37.12 | Shefki | You're trying to make the game into something it isn't designed to be. |
| 00:37.30 | Shefki | And frankly it will NEVER be designed to be that way. |
| 00:37.42 | Fisker | A game where my friends don't have to be benched because i might as well fill the last slots with rogues? |
| 00:37.44 | NeoTron | Shefki: it is what it is. What I was objecting to, and don't like, is how Blizzard seems to think there's a "hybrid tax" and "hybrid dps" is less than "pure dps". that is all |
| 00:37.46 | Mikk | Back to the discussion about blizzard being reactive in class balancing |
| 00:37.47 | NeoTron | since there clearly isn't on |
| 00:38.29 | Mikk | And how enh shamans have progressively sucked more and more from being fairly balanced in naxx, with nothing being done about it |
| 00:38.31 | NeoTron | elemental shaman and boomkin are the only hybrids without the capability to top the dps charts in a skilled group I think (caveat: maybe changed in the last patch, I don't keep up to date there) |
| 00:38.53 | Shefki | Nahh Moonkin's still suffer. |
| 00:39.08 | Gnarfoz | 9.9k dps elemental on toravon |
| 00:39.16 | Mikk | moonkin dps is still "ah ok i can live with it" though |
| 00:39.21 | Shefki | I'm unclear on elemental shaman. I don't notice where they stand that much but I'd guess they suffer with it. |
| 00:39.23 | Mikk | <- boomkek offspec |
| 00:39.32 | Gnarfoz | (only topped by 11.4k fury warr and 12k mutilate rogue) |
| 00:39.36 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: pretty crappy although it depends |
| 00:39.40 | Shefki | Moonkins are still suffering from the Eclipse design. |
| 00:39.48 | NeoTron | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/41rxzxl8ebqjkla1/sum/damageDone/?s=305&e=398 |
| 00:39.52 | NeoTron | 14.3k dps mage.. |
| 00:40.21 | Gnarfoz | well, WoL reports for long raids are fun |
| 00:40.21 | Gnarfoz | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/xk4pooxim94txft6/sum/damageDone/?s=15035&e=15147 |
| 00:40.37 | Gnarfoz | you can probably find a fight for each class where someone tops the meters that you wouldn't expect |
| 00:40.37 | Fisker | lolwat |
| 00:40.40 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 00:40.42 | Fisker | it's not even a 2-button mage |
| 00:40.57 | Gnarfoz | and it's 13.5 |
| 00:41.03 | Shefki | lol so let's see. |
| 00:41.06 | NeoTron | Fisker: fire baby |
| 00:41.09 | Shefki | The meters on that parse go: |
| 00:41.13 | Gnarfoz | 14.3 is the "active time" dps or whatever |
| 00:41.14 | NeoTron | Spelled is really good though |
| 00:41.23 | Mikk | toravon is speshul. you have adds. |
| 00:41.31 | Shefki | MAGE, HUNTER, HUNTER, dk, LOCK, MAGE, warrior, shaman, druid, druid, ROGUE, MAGE |
| 00:41.34 | NeoTron | Mikk: depends on if you ignore them of them |
| 00:41.35 | Shefki | Pure classes in caps. |
| 00:41.43 | Mikk | NeoTron: quite =) |
| 00:41.55 | Gnarfoz | 80k total damage throug living bomb, meh |
| 00:42.07 | Shefki | How are pure classes bad again? |
| 00:42.12 | NeoTron | Shefki: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/41rxzxl8ebqjkla1/details/61/?s=305&e=398 |
| 00:42.33 | NeoTron | notice who ignored adds too. |
| 00:42.49 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: on ours: ROGUE, warr, shaman, ROGUE, dk, ROGUE, dk, WARLOCK, MAGE, HUNTER x2, warr |
| 00:42.52 | Shefki | Which is precisely my point. |
| 00:42.58 | Gnarfoz | it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be :p |
| 00:42.59 | NeoTron | Shefki: and a single fight doesn't tell the whole story naturally. I think Slyxus is less geared (recruit) for example |
| 00:43.03 | Mikk | yeah that mage was pretty much ignoring orbs. seems he may have cast one fireball on a stray orb left over at the end or so. |
| 00:43.11 | NeoTron | I did as well (Aminai) |
| 00:43.15 | Shefki | I think calling a warrior a hybrid is a big silly though. |
| 00:43.18 | Shefki | bit* |
| 00:43.28 | NeoTron | not really |
| 00:43.36 | Shefki | They have 2 dps specs and a tank spec. |
| 00:43.37 | NeoTron | they are the defintion of hybrid - can do more than one role |
| 00:43.37 | Gnarfoz | lol, for archavon, a shadow priest was #1 |
| 00:44.09 | Gnarfoz | pure classes are hunters, warlocks, mages, rogues, the end |
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| 00:44.57 | Gnarfoz | (they can't be anything else than dps being the deciding metric) |
| 00:44.57 | Shefki | So why are you guys focusing on damage meters so much when by your own demonstration they can be manipulated by playing like a moron. |
| 00:45.17 | Mikk | now that was a silly question |
| 00:45.24 | Fisker | Because not all situations are like that? |
| 00:45.35 | NeoTron | a DPS class naturally want (at least) one fight where they can do great dps and which to use as a benchmark |
| 00:45.38 | NeoTron | since dummies don't work |
| 00:45.41 | Shefki | They picked the parses, not me. |
| 00:45.56 | NeoTron | someone mentioned toralvon elemental shaman, thus I linked it |
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| 00:48.08 | Gnarfoz | starting to watch a ~2h movie at 3am when you have to get up at 7am |
| 00:48.11 | Fisker | i must sleep |
| 00:48.13 | Gnarfoz | good idea, right? |
| 00:48.15 | Fisker | so i can dream about my fermi |
| 00:48.25 | Fisker | i'm already fucked Gnarfoz |
| 00:48.37 | Fisker | i'm going to sleep until 2pm or something |
| 00:48.42 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 00:49.05 | Gnarfoz | fucking euro :< |
| 00:49.15 | Gnarfoz | welfare! |
| 00:49.16 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 00:49.59 | Gnarfoz | wtb reply on that job interview |
| 00:50.01 | Gnarfoz | rage |
| 00:51.20 | Fisker | xkcd is awesome |
| 00:51.23 | Fisker | but i must sleep |
| 00:51.25 | Gnarfoz | always is |
| 00:51.58 | Fisker | every time i visit a funny site i feel like i must browse every funny site i've ever frequently visited |
| 00:51.59 | Fisker | ffffffuuuu- |
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| 00:52.21 | Mikk | SO WHERE DOES ALL THE TIME TO TROLL #WOWACE COME FROM HUH HUH? |
| 00:52.29 | Mikk | You clearly do not visit enough funny sites |
| 00:53.20 | Mikk | wonders if he actually just landed an un-retorted insult on Fisker |
| 00:53.25 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: clearly, he's on welfare! |
| 00:54.39 | Mikk | Ah yeah true, there's more time to browse fun sites @ work |
| 00:55.00 | Mikk | And you get more helpful links from your cow-orkers in the mail |
| 00:55.47 | Gnarfoz | a bit obvious on the typo there |
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| 01:12.54 | Groktar | had my first day of work today |
| 01:13.02 | Groktar | their svn server hates me |
| 01:13.14 | Groktar | would spaz halfway through checking anything out |
| 01:13.42 | Groktar | and it turns out that the other developers all play call of duty for 40 minutes after lunch |
| 01:13.55 | Groktar | but they gave me the crappy computer that can't handle it |
| 01:13.55 | Groktar | :( |
| 01:16.11 | Megalon | first come, first serve |
| 01:16.18 | Megalon | pretty common i think :P |
| 01:20.04 | Groktar | hehe yeah |
| 01:20.22 | Groktar | apparently if i'd gotten hired a week earlier i would have gotten a good one |
| 01:20.36 | Groktar | because support gets our reject computers while we get first choice |
| 01:21.10 | Groktar | and they'd just gotten 5 new ones |
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| 01:39.26 | Repo | 10nazignome: 03Rabbit * r13 / (2 files in 1 directory): This is brilliant. |
| 01:41.55 | Stanzilla | rly? |
| 01:43.15 | vhaarr | yes, it is truly the most awesome thing I have ever made |
| 01:43.27 | vhaarr | restart game and /script NaziGnome:Show() for a preview |
| 01:45.17 | Stanzilla | lol |
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| 01:55.11 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 01:56.48 | sylvanaar | you should make "Gnomes" a modular framework for everything |
| 01:57.14 | Arrowmaster | when well there be a FuckingGnomes |
| 01:57.21 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 01:57.41 | sylvanaar | technically it would just be the "Fucking" module |
| 01:57.44 | sylvanaar | haha |
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| 03:58.21 | Wobin | man |
| 03:58.26 | Wobin | a guild named PRIDE |
| 03:58.36 | Wobin | which is full of homophobes |
| 03:58.45 | Wobin | I... think they need to rethink their name =P |
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| 05:59.47 | nevcairiel | oh hai druids finally get magic dispell |
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| 06:02.22 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 06:02.22 | Fisker | old |
| 06:02.44 | Fisker | i hate the new system |
| 06:03.03 | Fisker | lets kill off more utility without leveling the dps playing field |
| 06:09.21 | Shefki | I'm not sure how I feel about it. |
| 06:09.26 | Shefki | PVP wise i think it's a positive change. |
| 06:09.34 | Shefki | PVE wise I'm not looking forward to it. |
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| 06:11.19 | Shefki | I think it's going to make dispelling in 25 mans annoying as hell becuase everyone is going to try to be doing it. |
| 06:11.29 | Shefki | DPS having it never mattered because they usually wouldn't even bother. |
| 06:11.55 | Fisker | it's great on fights like faction champions |
| 06:13.00 | Shefki | Only becuase there's way too much shit to dispel on that fight. |
| 06:13.30 | Fisker | i know |
| 06:13.42 | Fisker | But even on LK you can use it |
| 06:14.41 | Fisker | i r very tird |
| 06:16.21 | nevcairiel | its not like it changes that much really |
| 06:16.54 | nevcairiel | druids got a third dispel |
| 06:16.58 | nevcairiel | what else changed? |
| 06:17.18 | Shefki | Pallies other thaan resto lose dispels. |
| 06:17.21 | Fisker | everybody who isn't healing is getting it removed |
| 06:17.31 | nevcairiel | didnt you just say dps never dispelled anyway? :d |
| 06:17.57 | nevcairiel | so could as well remove it from them |
| 06:18.21 | nevcairiel | also they can still dispell disease and poison, just no magic |
| 06:18.21 | Shefki | And everyone is getting magic. |
| 06:18.34 | Shefki | All healers. |
| 06:18.53 | nevcairiel | magic is by far the most common debuff type mobs put out |
| 06:19.09 | nevcairiel | how often do you really see curses |
| 06:19.18 | Shefki | I realize that. |
| 06:19.21 | Shefki | I'm not arguing that point. |
| 06:19.35 | Shefki | You've just doubled the pool of people that will be paying attention to dispels effectively. |
| 06:19.44 | nevcairiel | sounds like a good thing |
| 06:19.58 | Shefki | Unless they increase the amount of debuffs in raids, it's not. |
| 06:20.01 | Shefki | Not for PVE. |
| 06:20.15 | Shefki | BTW they're looking to make all the dispels like Abolish too. |
| 06:20.23 | nevcairiel | so be smart about it and have a bunch of people on dispel duty for fights where it matters |
| 06:20.29 | Shefki | So that would make wasted GCDs when multiple people having to dispel. |
| 06:20.40 | Fisker | of course i hope warlocks don't have devour magic then |
| 06:20.46 | Shefki | They still will. |
| 06:20.54 | Fisker | OH WAIT |
| 06:20.55 | Fisker | THEY WILL |
| 06:20.55 | Shefki | Warlocks and Mages are unchanged. |
| 06:21.03 | nevcairiel | Shefki: actually they remove the abolish spells |
| 06:21.11 | Shefki | Go ready again. |
| 06:21.20 | nevcairiel | i did, it says they remove the abolish spells |
| 06:21.26 | nevcairiel | buff that tics away your debuffs |
| 06:21.45 | Fisker | i was being sarcastic Shefki |
| 06:21.57 | Shefki | "making it possible to waste mana by casting a dispel when there is nothing to dispel" |
| 06:22.05 | nevcairiel | thats not the key feature of abolish for me |
| 06:22.07 | Fisker | because if paladins get their dispels remove, it's more than fair that hunters, mages and warlocks get to keep them |
| 06:22.09 | nevcairiel | the comparison is flawed |
| 06:22.38 | nevcairiel | But its the same change they produce everywhere |
| 06:22.44 | nevcairiel | they want to take the stupid button smashing out |
| 06:22.48 | nevcairiel | and give you back your brains |
| 06:23.22 | Shefki | It's just going to be one more thing to constantly have to waste time standing around while someone figures out who's doing what. |
| 06:23.29 | Shefki | We have enough of that crap already. |
| 06:23.39 | nevcairiel | see next-swing changes, no constant uptime spell anymore, tanks now have to decide when to use it properly |
| 06:24.03 | Shefki | That's not the same at all. |
| 06:24.09 | Shefki | That's about making it possible to control your rage. |
| 06:24.18 | nevcairiel | sure it is, take a spammed button and convert it into a conscious decision |
| 06:24.28 | Shefki | The next swing abilities were crappy as rage dumps because you couldn't control exactly whent hey went off. |
| 06:24.52 | Shefki | I don't think that's the point of their change. They're trying to fix rage issues, not spamming abilities. |
| 06:25.04 | nevcairiel | at a certain progress level, tanks were forced to press next-swing every 1.5 seconds or so |
| 06:25.12 | nevcairiel | which is stupid |
| 06:25.25 | nevcairiel | and they said that this design is stupid |
| 06:25.35 | Shefki | It is stupid but not for the reasons you're saying. |
| 06:25.46 | Shefki | It's stupid because when it goes off it not within your control. |
| 06:25.53 | nevcairiel | more changes point in the direction of making the game more fun again, taking away grunt-work button pushing and giving control back to the players |
| 06:26.36 | Shefki | I think it's pretty obvious that the dispel stuff is entirely about PVP. |
| 06:26.46 | Fisker | i don't |
| 06:26.54 | Shefki | There's really nothing wrong with the dispel mechanics in PVE. |
| 06:27.00 | nevcairiel | It was rather unfair that you could just sheep a druids 2v2 partner and be done with him |
| 06:27.42 | Shefki | Well I don't disagree that those situations sucked. |
| 06:27.51 | Fisker | you know what's really unfair? |
| 06:27.53 | Fisker | devour magic |
| 06:28.01 | Shefki | How is devour magic unfair? |
| 06:28.17 | Fisker | by having a dps able to dispel |
| 06:28.39 | Shefki | I really don't understand why they're leaving those alone. |
| 06:28.39 | Fisker | everytime a warlock summons a felhunter their account should be billed an additional 14.99 for a monthly subscription fee |
| 06:28.45 | nevcairiel | I still dont see any bad things for raids, so the stupid "just run in and it dies" is over, you actually have to assign one or two people to specific jobs again |
| 06:28.47 | nevcairiel | i like that |
| 06:29.08 | nevcairiel | They also said in that post that there wont be massive dispell fights |
| 06:29.10 | Shefki | I think there's plenty of things that you have to assign people to specific stuff. |
| 06:29.12 | Fisker | i doubt that will change because of that |
| 06:29.18 | Shefki | I think it's annoying that they're creating more. |
| 06:29.28 | nevcairiel | "we are working to plan dungeon and raid encounters where dispels aren’t in constant demand or spammed in order to be successful, though some need for dispels will still be a part of the design." |
| 06:29.30 | nevcairiel | etc ^ |
| 06:29.38 | Fisker | we've yet to assign dispels in lich king |
| 06:29.59 | Shefki | Doing heroic yet? |
| 06:30.14 | Fisker | yes |
| 06:30.15 | nevcairiel | I'm just happy that druids get magic dispell, was about time |
| 06:30.28 | Shefki | And you're not assigning dispels on that already? |
| 06:30.39 | Shefki | I think you're fibbing to me. |
| 06:31.00 | Fisker | the only dispel fight we've been on is what? BQL? |
| 06:31.19 | Shefki | What's to dispel on BQL? |
| 06:31.26 | Fisker | fear |
| 06:31.44 | nevcairiel | hugs the totem |
| 06:31.45 | Fisker | you know it was actually a requirement to take her down before the 10% buff? |
| 06:31.48 | Shefki | Yeah totems. |
| 06:32.02 | Shefki | I've killed her before the 5% buffs on heroic. |
| 06:32.02 | Shadowed | Devour Magic is a terrible design |
| 06:32.04 | Shadowed | as is spell lock |
| 06:32.05 | Fisker | we don't have 5 shamans |
| 06:32.16 | Fisker | and i doubt anyone else have as well |
| 06:32.21 | Shadowed | Giving a class a "fire and forget" way of removing or locking down others is silly |
| 06:32.24 | nevcairiel | sends his fel hunter after Shadowed |
| 06:32.25 | Shefki | The only thing wrong with the lock pets is that they can control them while CC'ed that has never made any sense. |
| 06:32.55 | Shadowed | Especially because things like Spell Lock can't actually be fake casted unless the Warlock is manually controlling it |
| 06:32.57 | Fisker | besides tickets are random + range dependant |
| 06:32.57 | Fisker | exactly Shadowed |
| 06:33.10 | Shadowed | If the dispel/lock was say |
| 06:33.20 | Shadowed | manually controlled, it wouldn't be as bad |
| 06:33.29 | Shefki | Nobody but bad locks turn that stuff on auto. |
| 06:33.35 | nevcairiel | but a demon has a brain too |
| 06:33.38 | Shadowed | But a class really should not have a way of locking down others entirely independent of themselves |
| 06:33.39 | Shefki | If it's on auto it's easy to force it when you want it. |
| 06:33.53 | quiescens | um |
| 06:33.55 | quiescens | spell lock |
| 06:34.00 | Shadowed | Especially because blizzard has made pets more and more durable, it's a lot easier to get a Warlock off of you compared to a Felhunter |
| 06:34.03 | quiescens | you don't even have to fake cast |
| 06:34.06 | quiescens | because it casts it instantly |
| 06:34.12 | quiescens | even if you aren't casting |
| 06:34.30 | Shadowed | So now, instead of locking down one person, you have to lock down two people |
| 06:34.35 | Shefki | I've never seen a lock that's any good at pvp advoate having it on auto. |
| 06:34.39 | quiescens | because it has a silence effect, so the ai on it just uses it right off the bat |
| 06:34.40 | Shadowed | and locking down the second person requires taking somebody off of another player |
| 06:34.59 | quiescens | regardless of whether someone is casting or not |
| 06:35.08 | Shadowed | Hunter pet's are the same issue to a lesser extent |
| 06:35.26 | Shefki | The only thing I'll agree about with pets is pets shouldn't interrupt people clicking on flags. |
| 06:35.29 | quiescens | o.O |
| 06:35.33 | Shefki | People should have to actively stop people from clicking flags. |
| 06:35.37 | Shefki | Not drop pet on someone and forget it. |
| 06:35.43 | Shadowed | The issue with pets is basically they are another player |
| 06:36.03 | Shefki | And I don't get what your complaints about hunter pets are. |
| 06:36.12 | quiescens | i'm just saying, you're giving felhunters more credit than they are worth |
| 06:36.14 | Shefki | That and I think it's dumb that stealthing doesn't drop pets. |
| 06:36.15 | Shadowed | and when you're playing in an area like arenas, the team with a pet has an advantage |
| 06:36.23 | Shadowed | quiescens: No I'm not |
| 06:36.27 | Fisker | god |
| 06:36.30 | quiescens | they don't wait for people to cast and then interrupt and cause spell lockout |
| 06:36.30 | Fisker | HoR again :( |
| 06:36.32 | Shadowed | You should not get a pet that has a dispel AND a silence on separate cooldowns |
| 06:36.41 | Shadowed | and you should not get a pet that can have both of those put on auto cast |
| 06:36.58 | Shadowed | and the pet shouldn't be able to freely (in an arena at least) be able to stick to a player without any interaction from the owner |
| 06:37.02 | Fisker | oh great |
| 06:37.06 | Fisker | someone with the battered hilt sword |
| 06:37.12 | Fisker | if it drops again he'll need and win it |
| 06:37.15 | Fisker | i know this to be true |
| 06:37.17 | Shadowed | When you add that all in, you basically have another player that you barely have to micro manage |
| 06:37.25 | Shefki | Shadowed: I don't really have a problem with pets staying on players, but there should be ways to drop them. |
| 06:37.30 | Shadowed | right |
| 06:37.33 | Shadowed | which there isn't |
| 06:37.33 | Shefki | Stealthing, maybe rooting and getting out of range... |
| 06:37.47 | Shadowed | It's not exactly easy to root them when they can auto dispel and have high resistances |
| 06:37.53 | Shadowed | s/auto dispel/dispel/ |
| 06:38.09 | Shefki | auto dispel? I root Felpups all the time. |
| 06:38.11 | Shefki | To kill them. |
| 06:38.18 | Shadowed | Pet's basically should require the player to micromanage them |
| 06:38.28 | Shadowed | they shouldn't be able to stick on a player by pressing "attack" and going AFK essentially |
| 06:38.45 | quiescens | a lot of people would argue pets take too much management |
| 06:38.49 | Shefki | Too much micromanagement and the pet will be useless. |
| 06:39.07 | quiescens | devour magic has a cooldown anyway and will only remove one effect |
| 06:39.12 | Shefki | As it is most skilled players control things like dispel and spell lock. |
| 06:39.24 | Shefki | And I play with a lock in arena. |
| 06:39.24 | Shadowed | 8 seconds isn't much of a cooldown |
| 06:39.26 | Shefki | He does it by hand. |
| 06:39.32 | Shadowed | Pet's have gotten easier to manage with things like actual arena# ids fyi |
| 06:39.35 | quiescens | if its on autocast it will often have used it against the target on some random buff |
| 06:39.39 | Shefki | Anytime we see a team with a lock with shit on auto we laugh at them. |
| 06:39.51 | quiescens | anyone with the spell lock on autocast is silly anyway |
| 06:40.07 | quiescens | you would end up with spell lock being cast on whatever the first target is |
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| 06:40.19 | quiescens | interrupting nothing and causing a silence only |
| 06:40.41 | Shefki | And once you see that you can plan for it every single time the CD is up. |
| 06:40.43 | quiescens | for for 3 seconds |
| 06:40.47 | quiescens | every 24 seconds |
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| 07:26.51 | quiescens | gasp |
| 07:27.17 | Megalon | dseb |
| 07:27.37 | quiescens | nondescript "class preview" information for cataclysm |
| 07:27.45 | quiescens | scheduled for this week |
| 07:28.08 | quiescens | unless you're a paladn |
| 07:28.11 | quiescens | paladin* |
| 07:28.15 | quiescens | paladins don't count |
| 07:28.33 | Wobin | omg implicit line continuation in VB2010 |
| 07:28.48 | Wobin | not that I ever want to program in VB ever ever ever again |
| 07:28.53 | Wobin | but it's nice to know, I guess =P |
| 07:29.13 | quiescens | o.O |
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| 08:30.37 | industrial | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/matrix_comic.jpg |
| 08:30.38 | industrial | :') |
| 08:31.35 | wink | lol |
| 08:31.47 | haste | 1000000 hours in paint! |
| 08:33.13 | wink | one meeeljon |
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| 08:51.20 | Fisker | delete fucking everything haste |
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| 08:56.04 | Nightblade | hi |
| 08:57.16 | Nightblade | anyone about? |
| 09:15.12 | Repo | 10ailo: 03Starfox * r112 Ailo.lua: Fix classcoloring of names in the tooltip |
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| 09:21.14 | Nightblade | anyone alive in here? |
| 09:22.02 | Adirelle|work | braaaaains ! |
| 09:22.22 | Nightblade | great, now there's zombies in here |
| 09:22.39 | Nightblade | i'm safe though i have no brain |
| 09:22.56 | Nightblade | i *do* however have a weird problem :) |
| 09:23.53 | Nightblade | a little ace mod i'm writing has suddenly started having trouble with profile resets |
| 09:24.18 | Arrowmaster | braaaaains! |
| 09:24.27 | Nightblade | ... |
| 09:25.01 | Nightblade | i need a fresh pair of eyes to have a look at it. i've been banging away for hours, can't work out what's broken |
| 09:25.28 | Nightblade | any volunteers? :) |
| 09:25.40 | Arrowmaster | braaaaains? |
| 09:25.46 | Nightblade | maybe |
| 09:25.53 | Nightblade | if you help :P |
| 09:26.03 | Arrowmaster | braaaaains!! |
| 09:26.30 | Nightblade | i have a button on my ace-options-gui that calls self.db:ResetProfile() |
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| 09:27.11 | Nightblade | used to work fine, would reset the profile to default, and the gui would reflect the changes |
| 09:27.24 | Nightblade | now when i click it, the gui kind of "ignores" what the profile says |
| 09:27.58 | Nightblade | i.e. doesn't update the checkboxes, |
| 09:28.36 | Nightblade | when i dump the variable it has indeed been reset |
| 09:29.21 | Nightblade | btw is anyone listening or did i just type all that for nothing? :< |
| 09:29.37 | Arrowmaster | braaaaains.... |
| 09:30.11 | Nightblade | i've tried calling LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):NotifyChange too, no help |
| 09:30.14 | Mikk | Nightblade: let me guess, you grab a local copy of the profile somewhere |
| 09:30.34 | Nightblade | oh, yeah that could be it |
| 09:30.41 | Nightblade | but i was doing that before and it was fine |
| 09:31.02 | Mikk | well what does the assign look like |
| 09:31.10 | Nightblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.10 | Nightblade | ew one-line |
| 09:31.29 | Nightblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.34 | Mikk | yeah those are gonna go south |
| 09:31.35 | Nightblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.44 | Nightblade | oh, bummer |
| 09:31.50 | Nightblade | i'm *sure* it was working |
| 09:32.04 | Mikk | "db" might remain valid unless you switch profiles |
| 09:32.14 | Mikk | ws will go south |
| 09:32.16 | Mikk | on a reset |
| 09:32.35 | Mikk | you CAN listen to acedb events about switching/resetting profiles and refresh them |
| 09:32.40 | Nightblade | here's what the old version did: |
| 09:32.41 | Nightblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.47 | Nightblade | db = addon.data.profile |
| 09:33.01 | Mikk | no db.watchedSpells eh |
| 09:33.05 | Nightblade | ya :< |
| 09:33.07 | Mikk | yep |
| 09:33.09 | Nightblade | so ws = db.watchedSpells |
| 09:33.12 | Nightblade | is the breaker |
| 09:33.19 | Mikk | it's what causes profile RESETS to break |
| 09:33.23 | Nightblade | ya |
| 09:33.26 | Nightblade | why? :) |
| 09:33.29 | Mikk | "db" will break on profile switches |
| 09:33.38 | Torhal | Because the reference is no longer pointing to the original db |
| 09:33.50 | Nightblade | fair enough :) |
| 09:34.08 | Nightblade | okie, thanks for the help guys |
| 09:34.13 | Mikk | read the acedb docos |
| 09:34.18 | Mikk | i'm pretty sure there's an example there |
| 09:34.29 | Mikk | that explains how to handle "local db = " cacheing issues |
| 09:34.38 | Nightblade | hmm i didn't see it |
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| 09:34.57 | Arrowmaster | nomnomnomnomnoms on Ackis' braaaaains |
| 09:35.07 | Megalon | simply register all the callbacks of acedb |
| 09:35.16 | Megalon | and reassign your local caches there |
| 09:35.20 | Nightblade | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-db-3-0/ |
| 09:35.42 | Nightblade | there? |
| 09:36.07 | Nightblade | might be easier to just do away with the local caches i'm thinking ;) |
| 09:36.16 | Nightblade | tis only a small addon |
| 09:37.22 | Nightblade | Mikk, is that the page you're referring to |
| 09:38.45 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-db-3-0-tutorial/ |
| 09:39.28 | Nightblade | thanks Shefki |
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| 09:45.56 | sbu | morning |
| 09:54.45 | mitch0 | ~toc |
| 09:54.46 | purl | from memory, toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 30300 |
| 09:58.40 | *** join/#wowace rmk` (~user@delusion.fourty.net) |
| 10:00.33 | haste | Fisker: but I'm at work! |
| 10:02.56 | *** join/#wowace rmk (~user@delusion.fourty.net) |
| 10:04.21 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal 07master * 3.3.2-1.5.5-3-g155da0c Revelation.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 10:04.23 | Repo | 155da0c: Fixed bug with creating multiple items - it now works again. |
| 10:04.24 | nevcairiel | personally, i would only use the local db cache if you are sure you know what you do, it causes some complicated issues sometimes =) |
| 10:04.24 | Repo | 8d2b5a9: Fixed bug with Vellums not being automatically enchanted. |
| 10:04.41 | Fisker | i'm so damn clever nevcairiel |
| 10:04.47 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/00ffe2973e9da6ffe3999ca7da5183dc.jpg |
| 10:05.03 | Megalon | Fisker lost his common sense after switching profiles |
| 10:05.07 | Nightblade | you talking to me nevcairiel? :) |
| 10:05.11 | Repo | 10revelation: 03Torhal 043.3.3-1.5.6 * c7f11f7 /: [new tag] New release. |
| 10:05.20 | nevcairiel | who else was having trouble with that :D |
| 10:05.23 | Fisker | wat Megalon ? |
| 10:05.32 | Nightblade | heh i already fixed it ty |
| 10:05.40 | Fisker | just prepared myself in anticipation of the new mount |
| 10:05.50 | Nightblade | and yeah i decided not to mess with callbacks |
| 10:06.56 | mitch0 | eh, problem report: "It says dependency something" <- that's it |
| 10:06.58 | *** join/#wowace robotusch (~robotusch@50A2DB3D.flatrate.dk) |
| 10:07.00 | nevcairiel | callbacks are your friend! |
| 10:07.24 | Megalon | arbito.. arbito.. ARBITOOOOOOOOOOOO CALLBACK!!!!! |
| 10:07.29 | nevcairiel | that reminds me to fix the quartz callbacks |
| 10:07.30 | nevcairiel | does |
| 10:09.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:09.29 | Wobin | whut? |
| 10:09.31 | haste | deletes quartz. |
| 10:09.37 | Shefki | nevcairiel: BTW if you delete a profile and profileKeys still point to it when you log into a character pointing at that profile, it of course makes a fresh profile of the profileKey. |
| 10:09.49 | nevcairiel | yeah, so? |
| 10:10.10 | nevcairiel | what should it do? move it to whatever is default? |
| 10:10.16 | nevcairiel | clear profile keys, basically |
| 10:10.45 | Shefki | I can't imagine that a user would expect deleting a profile would cause it to make the profile again on logging into another character. |
| 10:11.06 | Nightblade | ^ |
| 10:11.37 | Shefki | I understand the current behavior but users don't. |
| 10:12.09 | Fisker | WUT MEGALON |
| 10:12.25 | Shefki | It contribuetes to the "OMG ____ addon reverted to defaults" problem. |
| 10:12.40 | nevcairiel | eh, i guess my statement appeared a bit sarcastic, but that was a valid question. thats the only reasonable thing to do, isnt it? |
| 10:12.53 | Megalon | yes fisker |
| 10:13.08 | Shefki | I'd think if the profileKey doesn't exist that you should use the default profile key provided by the addon. |
| 10:13.24 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: if no-one told you yet, you got another report |
| 10:14.13 | mitch0 | anyone using RangeDisplay here by any chance? |
| 10:14.28 | Fisker | my battle.net account is the 1213th |
| 10:14.34 | Fisker | could've been 1337 :( |
| 10:14.44 | nevcairiel | thats not even close Fisker |
| 10:14.59 | Shefki | nevcairiel: 1213 is probably only a second away from 1337 |
| 10:15.32 | nevcairiel | where do you see that number anyway? |
| 10:15.43 | Fisker | i doubt it Shefki |
| 10:16.01 | Fisker | nevcairiel on the sc2 beta forums if you only have one account |
| 10:16.07 | Fisker | or the wow forums if you have several accounts |
| 10:16.14 | Fisker | my second account is named "1213#1" |
| 10:16.43 | Fisker | anyway i doubt that many people made accounts back then |
| 10:17.44 | nevcairiel | 154888#1 |
| 10:17.45 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 10:18.17 | Fisker | you suck |
| 10:18.33 | nevcairiel | I have a very low ingame WoW GUID though! |
| 10:18.36 | nevcairiel | on my main |
| 10:18.51 | Shefki | I don't my main has moved realms like 3 times now. |
| 10:19.24 | nevcairiel | 0x0200000000001EBF |
| 10:19.26 | nevcairiel | beat that! |
| 10:19.48 | Fisker | give me the command to print that again |
| 10:20.00 | nevcairiel | ./print UnitGUID("player") |
| 10:20.02 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.10 | Fisker | damn |
| 10:20.19 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.21 | mitch0 | har har |
| 10:20.27 | nevcairiel | mine is a release day char |
| 10:20.30 | nevcairiel | never moved server |
| 10:20.31 | Fisker | 228AC is my lowest |
| 10:20.37 | Fisker | mine was release day as well |
| 10:20.47 | Fisker | But when i came online there was like a queue of 10000 |
| 10:20.47 | Fisker | :D |
| 10:20.50 | Shefki | I don't think they're sequential. |
| 10:21.00 | Fisker | remember waiting like the whole afternoon |
| 10:21.01 | Mikk | thinks they are |
| 10:21.05 | nevcairiel | Someone proved on PTR that they were |
| 10:21.17 | Shefki | Interesting. |
| 10:21.29 | Shefki | How'd they prove that? |
| 10:21.37 | nevcairiel | just create alot of chars with a few people |
| 10:21.47 | nevcairiel | when the PTR was pretty quite |
| 10:21.56 | Fisker | no need to overcomplicate shit anyway |
| 10:22.23 | nevcairiel | i guess could do it on live as well |
| 10:22.27 | Wobin | hm, I dunno |
| 10:22.29 | sbu | so the new "my gearscore is higher than yours" is "my guid is lower than yours!", right? |
| 10:22.32 | nevcairiel | just pick a server and have a few people create chars |
| 10:22.56 | stolenlegacy | what events fire when a unit changes from "non-attackable" to "attackable" or vice versa? |
| 10:22.56 | Shefki | Pretty sure when you transfer you get a new GUID. |
| 10:23.04 | stolenlegacy | couldn't find any of the UNIT_ ones to fit |
| 10:23.07 | Shefki | Umm. hang on. |
| 10:23.13 | nevcairiel | Shefki: yeah, i believe you do |
| 10:23.20 | stolenlegacy | and eventtrace just spams 50 million events at once |
| 10:23.26 | nevcairiel | imho, guids are realm-pool wide |
| 10:23.39 | nevcairiel | so they dont collide in random bgs and LFD dungeons |
| 10:23.52 | nevcairiel | but may as well change when you transfer in-realm-pool |
| 10:24.05 | *** join/#wowace robotusch (~robotusch@50A2DB3D.flatrate.dk) |
| 10:24.16 | Mikk | well cross server stuff didnt exist back then |
| 10:25.01 | koaschten | so i fucked my geek low guid when i server transed (imagine paint angry smiley going FUUUUUUU here) |
| 10:25.06 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: UNIT_FACTION |
| 10:25.12 | Fisker | so now i gotta find some nice multiboxing stuff |
| 10:25.39 | nevcairiel | koaschten: heh |
| 10:25.56 | stolenlegacy | awesome ty |
| 10:27.22 | Mikk | now what really irks ME |
| 10:27.23 | *** join/#wowace faCe| (~face@wlan-client-116.informatik.uni-bremen.de) |
| 10:27.32 | Mikk | is that i lost my 5 digit ICQ number |
| 10:27.49 | Mikk | it would have made my dick 8===============================D this big today |
| 10:28.01 | Shefki | I had a 5 digit too. |
| 10:28.02 | Megalon | this big? the whole 3cm you mean? |
| 10:28.08 | stolenlegacy | Megalon: win |
| 10:28.18 | Mikk | get bigger font & monitor! |
| 10:28.19 | arkanes | omg 2 seater rocket RAF reward |
| 10:28.25 | Mikk | arkanes: ?! |
| 10:28.31 | Mikk | you shitting me? |
| 10:28.32 | arkanes | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/24038460723-new-recruitafriend-mount-coming-soon.html |
| 10:28.34 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: check mmoc |
| 10:28.38 | Wobin | jesus |
| 10:28.42 | Shefki | I have a 5 digit /. id. :) |
| 10:28.43 | stolenlegacy | still got 4 unclaimed zevhras <3 |
| 10:28.49 | arkanes | so glad I never got around to claiming my zevhra |
| 10:29.03 | Shefki | arkanes: Yeah I just claimed a zevhra 2 days ago. |
| 10:29.10 | Mikk | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh |
| 10:29.22 | Mikk | need to refer new friend pronto |
| 10:29.38 | quiescens | just fabricate a friend |
| 10:29.39 | stolenlegacy | dualbox 2 new chars to 60 |
| 10:29.52 | stolenlegacy | recruit secondary account with main account |
| 10:29.56 | stolenlegacy | link both to battle.net |
| 10:29.57 | arkanes | I didn't realize that RAF levels and benefits expired after time |
| 10:30.02 | Caleb| | you should wait till they launch it blue sais its not yet sure you can change unclaimed zhevras to rockets |
| 10:30.03 | arkanes | I lost like 25 levels :( |
| 10:30.05 | stolenlegacy | use a friend's 80 to boost both through instances |
| 10:30.07 | stolenlegacy | win |
| 10:30.11 | Mikk | you don't even need to do that |
| 10:30.15 | Mikk | just need to buy X amount of game time |
| 10:30.21 | Mikk | -> tadaa zhevra/rocket |
| 10:30.30 | Shefki | Yeah my parents just made accounts. |
| 10:30.43 | Repo | 10quartz: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 3.0.2-10-g857367f / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Added LSM callbacks for _Registered to be abel to use textures that are loaded after Quartz. |
| 10:30.44 | Shefki | Put a 60 day game card on their account = mount. |
| 10:30.50 | stolenlegacy | haha |
| 10:31.06 | Shefki | We're level 7 after our first day. |
| 10:31.06 | Mikk | aha yeah that'll be instant even |
| 10:31.31 | Mikk | (you need to wait past the trial period to get charged on a CC) |
| 10:32.20 | arkanes | RAF leveling speed is so crazy |
| 10:32.35 | Mikk | it is, especially when you hit xp-boosted levels (30-60) |
| 10:32.44 | Mikk | so much faster than you remember back in the day |
| 10:32.50 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: try boosting 2 RAF chars through instances with an 80 |
| 10:33.05 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: the xp bonus doesn't take effect after 60 |
| 10:33.10 | stolenlegacy | i hit 10 LPH in scarlet monestary |
| 10:33.11 | arkanes | or has that been changed? |
| 10:33.16 | stolenlegacy | you have 2 accounts |
| 10:33.19 | stolenlegacy | with 2 low level chars |
| 10:33.20 | Mikk | boosting in pre-60 instances |
| 10:33.22 | stolenlegacy | liked by raf |
| 10:33.24 | stolenlegacy | linked* |
| 10:33.26 | stolenlegacy | and a third one |
| 10:33.27 | stolenlegacy | with an 80 |
| 10:33.27 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: oh you mean like that |
| 10:33.28 | arkanes | yeah |
| 10:33.32 | stolenlegacy | group the three, boost through SM |
| 10:33.37 | stolenlegacy | enjoy free 60s |
| 10:33.48 | stolenlegacy | for every 4 chars you level to 60, you get a fifth one for FREE! |
| 10:33.53 | stolenlegacy | *advertising voice* |
| 10:34.01 | arkanes | I really need to set up my other machines so I can dual box |
| 10:34.08 | arkanes | but I have been lazy |
| 10:34.10 | Mikk | umm no for every 2 you level you get a 3rd surely? |
| 10:34.26 | stolenlegacy | you can only grand from 2 of those 4 chars |
| 10:34.31 | stolenlegacy | since those are on the recruited acc |
| 10:34.36 | Mikk | well 4 -> 6 then |
| 10:34.39 | Mikk | not 4 -> 5 =) |
| 10:34.41 | nevcairiel | hum, i wonder how much dps i could do as moonkin in my healy gear |
| 10:34.53 | stolenlegacy | 2 chars at 60 that can grant 30 levels each (recruited) |
| 10:34.59 | Shefki | Don't forget you're getting triple xp outside of the ganted levels. |
| 10:35.00 | Mikk | nevcairiel: it's not awesome. lack of hit and set bonuses hurts |
| 10:35.03 | stolenlegacy | 2 chars at 60 that can't grant (non-recruited acc) |
| 10:35.10 | Mikk | plus if you've gone the t10 way you'll be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY over hastecap |
| 10:35.10 | arkanes | nevcairiel: i was doing like 4kish with my heroic-only healing gears |
| 10:35.11 | stolenlegacy | 30+30?60 |
| 10:35.26 | nevcairiel | Mikk: whats haste cap for moonkins? |
| 10:35.28 | arkanes | nevcairiel: could probaby have hit 5 if i was better, lack of hit was rough |
| 10:35.30 | nevcairiel | probably not 800? :D |
| 10:35.33 | Mikk | 420-430ish |
| 10:35.39 | Mikk | assuming there's a spellhaste totem around |
| 10:35.46 | koaschten | so for a 60 day gametime card i can buy a 2 seats rocket soon? |
| 10:35.48 | koaschten | hmm hmm |
| 10:35.48 | arkanes | I have like 700 haste in my healing gear :P |
| 10:35.59 | Mikk | well it's not a hard cap. it's just that past 420-430 your wrath is 1s cast |
| 10:36.00 | nevcairiel | i'm a tad bit over the full raid buff cap |
| 10:36.07 | nevcairiel | for healing |
| 10:36.08 | Megalon | 400 |
| 10:36.09 | stolenlegacy | i'm exactly at raid buffed cap with CF |
| 10:36.10 | Megalon | with ng up |
| 10:36.12 | Megalon | 3/3 CF |
| 10:36.16 | Megalon | totem |
| 10:36.17 | quiescens | congrats on being the only spec with a 1.5s primary nuke |
| 10:36.19 | Mikk | i thought it was a tad over 400 |
| 10:36.20 | Megalon | and aura |
| 10:36.24 | nevcairiel | people spec in CF? |
| 10:36.27 | Nightblade | arkanes: you can "multibox" on one pc ofc ;) |
| 10:36.28 | nevcairiel | seriously :P |
| 10:36.32 | arkanes | Nightblade: yeah I know |
| 10:36.35 | Megalon | what else would you take? |
| 10:36.40 | Megalon | open for suggestions |
| 10:36.43 | arkanes | Nightblade: but I may as well use the extra monitors |
| 10:36.44 | Mikk | nevcairiel: CF helps starfire casts |
| 10:36.49 | stolenlegacy | the 2 chars autofollow the 80 |
| 10:36.49 | nevcairiel | as moonkin, sure |
| 10:36.53 | stolenlegacy | or park them at the entrance |
| 10:36.54 | nevcairiel | i thought we were talking about trees |
| 10:36.55 | sbu | Shefki: hmm, so classic wow + 60d gamecard is enough for flying mount thingie? :P |
| 10:37.00 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 10:37.01 | Mikk | sbu: correct |
| 10:37.07 | Mikk | yes it's pretty cheap |
| 10:37.07 | Megalon | you asked about hastecap for moonkins :x |
| 10:37.14 | Shefki | I paid for 5 accounts back when they had them for $5 |
| 10:37.24 | Shefki | So far gave 2 to my parents. |
| 10:37.25 | Megalon | and there is only 400 and the cap where starfire hits 1s gcd |
| 10:37.26 | Mikk | yeah if you have Glyph of Rapid Rejuv you can stack loads of haste |
| 10:37.29 | Mikk | but i dropped that glyph myself now |
| 10:37.31 | koaschten | should it be enough to download the trial account? |
| 10:37.34 | Nightblade | arkanes: you can multi-monitor on one pc too :) |
| 10:37.36 | sbu | hm so its 30 eur |
| 10:37.37 | koaschten | and add a gtc? |
| 10:37.41 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: it's counterproductive in 25mans, isn't it? |
| 10:37.46 | sbu | koaschten: hmmmm, no |
| 10:37.46 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: No |
| 10:37.47 | nevcairiel | rapid rejuv is awesome, imho |
| 10:37.52 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: seems that way to me |
| 10:37.55 | arkanes | Nightblade: I have 5 machines here |
| 10:37.56 | Mikk | i mean it doesn't make you heal more |
| 10:38.01 | Mikk | it just focuses your healing |
| 10:38.02 | Nightblade | ack been so long since i've used IRC, what's the equiv of "/w" lol |
| 10:38.06 | koaschten | sbu why no? |
| 10:38.12 | Mikk | Nightblade: /msg |
| 10:38.13 | Shefki | Mikk: Depends on the fight. |
| 10:38.15 | Mikk | or /privmsg |
| 10:38.18 | sbu | koaschten: because! |
| 10:38.21 | koaschten | you only need an additional payed month? gtc adds 2? |
| 10:38.22 | stolenlegacy | i see it having uses in 10man where you can have glyphed rejuv on everyone |
| 10:38.24 | stolenlegacy | but in 25man? |
| 10:38.25 | Nightblade | ty :) |
| 10:38.33 | Mikk | Shefki: no my statement always holds true. whether or not it is a GOOD thing depends on fight =) |
| 10:38.34 | nevcairiel | Mikk: on a limited set of targets, it also makes you heal more |
| 10:38.42 | Mikk | yes "it focuses your healing" |
| 10:38.43 | arkanes | Mikk: I love the hps that comes from rapid rejuve, but it severly limits the number of targets you can roll on |
| 10:38.55 | nevcairiel | if you have enough targets to spread shit, it doesnt matter |
| 10:38.57 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: each cast heals exactly the same with and without |
| 10:39.01 | arkanes | been thinking about dropping it for wild growth myself, or at least carrying some around to swap |
| 10:39.11 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: what are you using currently? |
| 10:39.12 | ThiefMaster | if you RAF, do you get the mount on all characters or only on a single one? |
| 10:39.16 | Shefki | Mikk: You said yes it was counterproductive. |
| 10:39.16 | arkanes | mm |
| 10:39.20 | stolenlegacy | ThiefMaster: single one |
| 10:39.21 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: but it increases HP/s |
| 10:39.23 | arkanes | rejuve, swiftmend and nourish |
| 10:39.26 | ThiefMaster | bah, that sucks. |
| 10:39.30 | arkanes | rapid rejuv, that is |
| 10:39.36 | nevcairiel | like reducing casttime of a heal |
| 10:39.38 | Shefki | I've found it's usually very good on most of the hard modes. |
| 10:39.41 | nevcairiel | same amount, but more HP/s |
| 10:39.42 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: drop nourish? |
| 10:39.54 | Mikk | nevcairiel: ummm no your total hp/s remains the same with or without glyph |
| 10:39.59 | arkanes | yeah I might just make a bunch and swap around |
| 10:40.00 | Mikk | assuming 15+ targets =) |
| 10:40.01 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: no, reducing the cast time of a heal makes you cast more heals in the same time |
| 10:40.09 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: you still cast the same number of rejuvs with and without glyph |
| 10:40.15 | stolenlegacy | which each heal for the same amount |
| 10:40.26 | stolenlegacy | GoRR reduces the duration of the rejuv buff on targets |
| 10:40.32 | arkanes | rapid rejuv increses the hps that each rejuv does |
| 10:40.33 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: no, you cast more rejuvs in a shorter time |
| 10:40.38 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: nope |
| 10:40.41 | nevcairiel | sure you do |
| 10:40.44 | nevcairiel | it expires faster |
| 10:40.44 | stolenlegacy | i cast one rejuv every second |
| 10:40.45 | Mikk | what _I_ personally like the best about slower rejuv is that i can keep rejuv up on my 10+ assigned targets _AND_ assist heal other things |
| 10:40.45 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Actually they're right. |
| 10:40.47 | nevcairiel | so you cast it more often! |
| 10:40.55 | Mikk | nevcairiel: eh just cast on more targets |
| 10:40.57 | stolenlegacy | you never run into overwriting issues with rejuv |
| 10:41.00 | Shefki | If you're running a 5x1 you cast the same number of rejuvs. |
| 10:41.02 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: I'm sure you don't actually do that |
| 10:41.05 | Shefki | You just cast htem on fewer people. |
| 10:41.06 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: unless you never cast anything else |
| 10:41.19 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: for raid healing it's rejuv rejuv rejuv rejuv wg |
| 10:41.20 | stolenlegacy | rinse+repeat |
| 10:41.23 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: right |
| 10:41.33 | Mikk | the difference is 10 vs 15 targets |
| 10:41.36 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: and rapid rejuv means more HPS on fewer targets |
| 10:41.43 | arkanes | "focussing" your healing |
| 10:41.51 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: ye, but you still have the same total HPS |
| 10:41.57 | arkanes | who cares about that |
| 10:41.57 | stolenlegacy | which was my point |
| 10:42.18 | Mikk | i believe that the point was that glyph of rapid rejuv doesn't make you heal more |
| 10:42.20 | Shefki | I've found using rapid rejuv and still doing 3 groups works very well. |
| 10:42.21 | Mikk | it just changes how you heal |
| 10:42.23 | arkanes | but it does |
| 10:42.30 | Shefki | Sure you're letting one groups rejuvs drop for a brief while. |
| 10:42.37 | arkanes | if the people who you're healing are the ones taking damage, then your total effective heals will go up |
| 10:42.50 | Shefki | But that group dips a bit and when you come back around to them they will be needing the healing. |
| 10:42.50 | arkanes | of course its a different healing strategy |
| 10:43.08 | Mikk | or they might have died depending on the fight =) |
| 10:43.13 | arkanes | sure |
| 10:43.16 | Mikk | and there we go again - that glyph is very fight dependant |
| 10:43.28 | arkanes | which is why I might just make a couple stacks of glyphs and carry them around |
| 10:43.30 | Mikk | and it's not NEARLY as much of a given as it was made out to be early on |
| 10:43.38 | Mikk | arkanes: yeah thinking the same |
| 10:43.42 | Shefki | Mikk: If someone dies from not having rejuv on them for 18 seconds, they were proably going to die anyway. |
| 10:43.43 | arkanes | I don't think anyone ever suggested it was a given |
| 10:43.47 | arkanes | well, I'm sure some people did |
| 10:43.56 | quiescens | you could say "they might have died" for like every glyph and talent |
| 10:43.57 | quiescens | lol |
| 10:44.02 | arkanes | quiescens: indeed |
| 10:44.15 | arkanes | its why its hard to evaluate things without context |
| 10:44.22 | Mikk | but yeah healing is an interesting science |
| 10:44.22 | stolenlegacy | reminds me of the pre-ADbuff debate on blood draining for protadins :/ |
| 10:44.28 | Mikk | because you're never the only healer |
| 10:44.31 | Mikk | and you can only heal people to full |
| 10:44.35 | Shefki | Druids are toppers and fillers of the gaps that other healers don't cover largely becuase those holes aren't worth their time. |
| 10:44.36 | Mikk | much more interesting than dps =) |
| 10:44.38 | stolenlegacy | generally, my PoV is "if you kill the boss, healing was fine" |
| 10:44.49 | arkanes | Mikk: are the free rejuves from the 4 piece hasted if you have gorr? |
| 10:44.56 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: should be |
| 10:44.59 | Shefki | arkanes: Yes. |
| 10:45.02 | arkanes | Shefki: thats not really true anymore |
| 10:45.03 | Mikk | arkanes: no idea, i've stuck with t9 :o) |
| 10:45.08 | stolenlegacy | but you get the same number of procs as you would without the glyph |
| 10:45.17 | stolenlegacy | since you get the same number of ticks :P |
| 10:45.21 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: right |
| 10:45.40 | Mikk | (got t10 offset boomkek though :P) |
| 10:45.48 | quiescens | laserchicken set |
| 10:45.51 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: obviously if you kill the boss everything is fine |
| 10:45.54 | quiescens | pew pew |
| 10:45.55 | nevcairiel | th e glyph reduces the problem of half your rejuv being wasted due to other healers |
| 10:45.59 | nevcairiel | which is totally worth it |
| 10:46.04 | arkanes | but healing is interesting relative to, say, DPS, because more isn't always better |
| 10:46.06 | nevcairiel | and effectively increases HPs too |
| 10:46.16 | arkanes | nevcairiel: nah, that just means you're wasting their heals instead |
| 10:46.20 | Mikk | nevcairiel: interestingly, my effective healing went up after dropping the glyph |
| 10:46.25 | Mikk | you should try it yourself in a couple of fights |
| 10:46.30 | sbu | arkanes: more is better! |
| 10:46.40 | arkanes | a lot of it is going to depend on how the ticks line up with incoming damage |
| 10:46.42 | Mikk | it can have hard-to-foresee effects |
| 10:46.49 | arkanes | even most "effective healing" is wasted, though |
| 10:47.09 | arkanes | I mean, if you snipe a heal that someone else was casting, is what you cast really "effective heals"? |
| 10:47.15 | Shefki | Interesting tidbit, rapid rejuv reacts poorly with the Malleable Goo on Festergut. |
| 10:47.24 | arkanes | Shefki: hows that? |
| 10:47.34 | Shefki | If you get hit with it and you're running RR your rejuvs are negative hasted. |
| 10:47.39 | arkanes | haha |
| 10:47.40 | Shefki | Had a druid with 45 second rejuvs. |
| 10:47.42 | arkanes | ouch |
| 10:47.45 | Mikk | lmao |
| 10:47.48 | quiescens | like wc3~ |
| 10:47.57 | Shefki | So if you use that glyph on that fight, don't suck with goo. |
| 10:48.01 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 10:48.03 | Mikk | good call |
| 10:48.06 | Mikk | good thing i dont suck ;) |
| 10:48.09 | arkanes | does that happen on putri too? |
| 10:48.11 | quiescens | ;) |
| 10:48.12 | nevcairiel | yeah, sucking is bad anyway |
| 10:48.22 | Megalon | depends who gets sucked |
| 10:48.23 | Shefki | arkanes: Putricide doesn't have the slow component it's just damage. |
| 10:48.34 | nevcairiel | Shefki: the bouncing goo balls |
| 10:48.35 | arkanes | goo on putri definitely has a slow component |
| 10:48.44 | Mikk | it most certainly does |
| 10:48.49 | Megalon | the flying goo on putricide too |
| 10:48.51 | Mikk | malleable goo _is_ putricide |
| 10:48.54 | Megalon | on impact |
| 10:48.55 | Mikk | not festergut |
| 10:48.57 | Megalon | yea |
| 10:49.01 | Shefki | I've never seen the debuff from it even when I've gotten hit. |
| 10:49.03 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: hc |
| 10:49.03 | arkanes | I was assuming he was talking about heroic fester |
| 10:49.03 | nevcairiel | they have a 200% slow |
| 10:49.07 | quiescens | fight! fight! fight! |
| 10:49.15 | arkanes | Shefki: the debuff application is smaller radius than the damage |
| 10:49.31 | Shefki | Interesting, didn't know that. |
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| 10:49.56 | nevcairiel | i do more 10mans then 25s these days anyway, so RR is still awesome for me, because less targets to keep rejuv on |
| 10:50.05 | arkanes | I dont hardly raid on my druid |
| 10:50.08 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: sure, it rocks for 10man |
| 10:50.10 | Mikk | yah RR wins in 10man |
| 10:50.10 | arkanes | just did my first couple recently |
| 10:50.15 | Mikk | no question about that |
| 10:50.28 | quiescens | the thing is that |
| 10:50.30 | quiescens | um |
| 10:50.38 | Mikk | unless you get goo =) |
| 10:50.41 | nevcairiel | just running with some silly guild on 25mans for gear |
| 10:50.46 | nevcairiel | i dont get goo, or anything |
| 10:50.46 | quiescens | yes it means rejuv heals for more on a person in a given timeframe |
| 10:50.47 | arkanes | but I was certainly feeling the difference in blanket raid healing vs tank healing vs 5 mans |
| 10:50.48 | nevcairiel | i pay attention! |
| 10:51.01 | Mikk | ofc =) |
| 10:51.10 | quiescens | but even so, its not like if you didn't have the glyph, that you would spend the extra time you got\ |
| 10:51.13 | quiescens | doing nothing |
| 10:51.28 | nevcairiel | regging mana |
| 10:51.31 | nevcairiel | or healing something else |
| 10:51.33 | nevcairiel | moving more |
| 10:51.35 | nevcairiel | what do i know |
| 10:51.36 | Mikk | healing something else |
| 10:51.49 | Mikk | druid needing to reg mana is doing something wrong tbfh :P |
| 10:52.04 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont really run out |
| 10:52.12 | Mikk | then again i do bloodqueen normal with a single mana bar |
| 10:52.17 | Mikk | while the other druid needs 2 innervates |
| 10:52.19 | Shefki | On normal mode 25 fights with heavy aoe healing it's usually lowers your healing to do rr. But on hard modes there's enough damage to support it. |
| 10:52.19 | quiescens | ie. you aren't sitting there thinking "oh that person could use more healing, but they already have my rejuv, pity I didn't have the rapid rejuvenation glyph" |
| 10:52.34 | Shefki | Mikk: Why would you not use your own innervates? |
| 10:52.47 | Mikk | Shefki: he uses his own + one more |
| 10:52.53 | nevcairiel | heh yeah bloodqueen is awesome, the other druid was dry so fast, and i didnt even use my innervate |
| 10:52.54 | Shefki | One more... WTF |
| 10:52.55 | Mikk | i don't need a single one |
| 10:52.58 | arkanes | I was rolling hots on myself in dal the other day and realized I was regenning mana faster than I was using it |
| 10:53.05 | Mikk | Shefki: yeah he's a hastewhore |
| 10:53.11 | arkanes | Mikk: hey thats me |
| 10:53.13 | nevcairiel | Mikk: so am i, no problems |
| 10:53.21 | nevcairiel | except the druid i saw was a crit whore |
| 10:53.29 | nevcairiel | and he was dry |
| 10:53.30 | Mikk | i'm the critwhore not going oom |
| 10:53.33 | Shefki | I'm past haste cap without CF, I only need my own. |
| 10:53.35 | Mikk | having t9 still :o) |
| 10:53.35 | arkanes | crit whoring seems very odd |
| 10:53.38 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: don't tell me he had t10 |
| 10:53.41 | arkanes | unless you're using 4pc t9 |
| 10:53.44 | Mikk | i am |
| 10:53.47 | arkanes | possibly even then |
| 10:53.49 | stolenlegacy | or was he a nourish spammer? |
| 10:53.50 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: nah, 245 random items |
| 10:53.55 | Shefki | Mikk: Get rid of it, T10 is better. |
| 10:54.04 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: no 4pc t9? |
| 10:54.10 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 10:54.14 | Shefki | The only exception to that statement is Valithria. |
| 10:54.15 | nevcairiel | his gear seemed rather .. odd |
| 10:54.17 | stolenlegacy | don't raid with him |
| 10:54.18 | Mikk | Shefki: well i'm still toe to toe with the other druid running t10 + loads of haste |
| 10:54.23 | Mikk | which we were back in t9land too |
| 10:54.24 | nevcairiel | basically no set |
| 10:54.24 | Mikk | so |
| 10:54.27 | nevcairiel | some random t9 pieces |
| 10:54.28 | Shefki | Mikk: He's doing it wrong then. |
| 10:54.29 | nevcairiel | other 245 non-sets |
| 10:54.46 | Shefki | Mikk: How much crit do you have? |
| 10:55.07 | quiescens | a lot of people have a bit of a |
| 10:55.10 | stolenlegacy | has reached Level 74. |
| 10:55.15 | quiescens | thingy with gear |
| 10:55.25 | quiescens | where you don't automagically get every piece you want to have |
| 10:55.26 | nevcairiel | i'm basically wearing 1pc 10, 2t9-245, 264/251 random items, and i bet a full t10-264 druid that is stuck in crit land |
| 10:55.34 | quiescens | and in fact have to use what you were able to get instead |
| 10:55.35 | arkanes | I prefer haste over pretty much anything else |
| 10:55.52 | nevcairiel | s/bet/beat/ |
| 10:55.59 | arkanes | because in my experience, the biggest factor in healing is the time lapse between when damage is taken and when a heal lands |
| 10:56.10 | arkanes | for tanks, anyway, raid healing is usually more predictable |
| 10:56.12 | arkanes | but not always! |
| 10:56.13 | nevcairiel | 1.01 nourish ftw :d |
| 10:56.31 | arkanes | I have a 1.3 sec holy light on my pally and it still feels too slow |
| 10:56.39 | nevcairiel | whats its base cast? |
| 10:56.43 | arkanes | 2.5 |
| 10:56.44 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: 2.5 i think |
| 10:56.50 | stolenlegacy | -0.5 for each except the first one |
| 10:57.04 | stolenlegacy | and you get...20% i think...from JotP |
| 10:57.19 | nevcairiel | anyway a hasted nourish can really be plenty strong |
| 10:57.20 | Mikk | and 8% from raidbuffs |
| 10:57.32 | Mikk | yeah hasted nourish rocks until your hots fall off =) |
| 10:57.33 | arkanes | I'm a tad over the softcap |
| 10:57.52 | nevcairiel | Mikk: i usually squeez a regrowth in, holds longer :D |
| 10:57.52 | stolenlegacy | by the way, has anybody ever tried a ht build for valthiria? |
| 10:57.55 | arkanes | forget exactly how much haste, and actually I got some gear on sunday that bumps me up more |
| 10:57.58 | stolenlegacy | as portal healer |
| 10:58.07 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: It's not good. |
| 10:58.13 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: no, just nourish build |
| 10:58.14 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: I can't imagine that ht is any good relative to nourish |
| 10:58.21 | Mikk | me neither |
| 10:58.25 | Mikk | well there's ONE benefit |
| 10:58.31 | arkanes | dont need to hot |
| 10:58.32 | Mikk | you actually get something out of heroism |
| 10:58.32 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: you don't have to keep hots |
| 10:58.34 | nevcairiel | nourish build? |
| 10:58.34 | arkanes | but still |
| 10:58.39 | nevcairiel | Mikk: haha |
| 10:58.50 | arkanes | hts throughput is less than nourish with a single hot |
| 10:58.57 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: every 25 seconds one regrowth isnt that bad |
| 10:58.59 | Shefki | Mikk: Not with a HT build. You're already under GCD with a HT build for it. |
| 10:59.11 | Mikk | that's glyphed HT |
| 10:59.14 | Mikk | that's different :P |
| 10:59.23 | nevcairiel | and unless you wear the nourish glyph, you only have to keep one hot on |
| 10:59.33 | stolenlegacy | i think anub hc was awesome |
| 10:59.37 | Mikk | nevcairiel: ummm have i been dreaming +5% per hot? |
| 10:59.38 | stolenlegacy | P: |
| 10:59.45 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: that's glyphed |
| 10:59.46 | nevcairiel | Mikk: glyphed or t8? set bonus |
| 10:59.46 | arkanes | Mikk: only glyphed |
| 10:59.49 | Mikk | glyphed obv |
| 10:59.51 | Mikk | t8 is a bit poop |
| 10:59.52 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: 7 |
| 11:00.00 | stolenlegacy | t8 was instant-heal rejuvs |
| 11:00.05 | nevcairiel | right |
| 11:00.07 | arkanes | Mikk: and its 6% |
| 11:00.07 | nevcairiel | that was nice, too |
| 11:00.14 | stolenlegacy | oh yes |
| 11:00.14 | Mikk | yeah until it got nerfd |
| 11:00.24 | stolenlegacy | first druid in my ulduar group that got it |
| 11:00.25 | Mikk | was too good |
| 11:00.35 | stolenlegacy | doubled the other guy's healing |
| 11:00.38 | nevcairiel | even without nourish glyph, its plenty strong with one hot up |
| 11:00.51 | nevcairiel | with glyph, you have to keep too much shit up :d |
| 11:00.52 | arkanes | you could glyph regrowth, too |
| 11:00.59 | nevcairiel | i had that until it was nerfed |
| 11:01.03 | nevcairiel | 50% was awesome |
| 11:01.04 | stolenlegacy | same |
| 11:01.12 | Shefki | Nourish will outperform any HT build you can come up with. THough HT can still be worth while during Heroism. |
| 11:01.18 | Mikk | i have glyph of rejuv. am i weird? |
| 11:01.19 | stolenlegacy | NG+Regrowth+LS+50% crit+Glyph = the awesome |
| 11:01.21 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: no |
| 11:01.38 | arkanes | Mikk: I actually think it would go well with rapid rejuv |
| 11:01.39 | nevcairiel | i think so |
| 11:01.49 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: it would surely make sense |
| 11:01.51 | nevcairiel | i dont plan for people being <50% |
| 11:01.52 | Mikk | it seems like a life saver in panic situations to me |
| 11:01.55 | stolenlegacy | more healing when it's needed, and faster |
| 11:01.58 | Shefki | RR, WG, Nourish is what i use for that fight. |
| 11:02.01 | stolenlegacy | makes you a "useful" healer |
| 11:02.08 | stolenlegacy | but if you raid leader watches healing meters? not so much |
| 11:02.12 | nevcairiel | i basically run with RR/WG/Swiftmend constantly |
| 11:02.14 | arkanes | nevcairiel: explosive raid damage that drops everyone to below 50% is not uncommon |
| 11:02.24 | Shefki | nevcairiel: THat's my normal setup yeah. |
| 11:02.27 | Mikk | right now i'm Rejuv/WG/Nourish |
| 11:02.35 | nevcairiel | I hate when other druids dont have swiftmend |
| 11:02.35 | stolenlegacy | arkanes: i heard that you should stand behind ice blocks on sindragosa |
| 11:02.38 | nevcairiel | and steal ma hots |
| 11:02.53 | stolenlegacy | wg/sm/nourish for me |
| 11:02.55 | arkanes | it really should only consume your own |
| 11:03.09 | stolenlegacy | had RR when it came out, my HPS dropped, i removed it, my HPS went back up |
| 11:03.20 | stolenlegacy | haven't used it since then |
| 11:03.23 | nevcairiel | measuring hps is impossible anyway |
| 11:03.24 | Mikk | yeah RR needs different think |
| 11:03.24 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: Try it on heroics. |
| 11:03.35 | stolenlegacy | Shefki: i quit raiding on my druid |
| 11:03.39 | arkanes | nevcairiel: only if you want numbers that mean anything |
| 11:03.46 | Shefki | stolenlegacy: It works out much better on heroics becuase there is enough damage to support it. |
| 11:03.49 | stolenlegacy | after lk25 normal |
| 11:04.15 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: my raid leader back then told me to "get my hps back up, you're below the other druid" |
| 11:04.21 | nevcairiel | yesterday on bloodqueen, i was #1 on heal when i didnt have to move, if i got shadow or red beam, i'm suddenly #3 or so below the other druid and disc priest (who gets absorb counted, ofc) |
| 11:04.23 | arkanes | if you're doing 10s your a lot more likely to end up tank healing, too |
| 11:04.31 | arkanes | and rr is amazing for that |
| 11:04.37 | stolenlegacy | absorb meters are crap anyways |
| 11:04.45 | stolenlegacy | they assume every shield is fully used |
| 11:04.52 | stolenlegacy | that's the same as if i got my overhealing counted as EH |
| 11:04.54 | Mikk | arkanes: but having time to tank heal without rejuv dropping off the raid is ALSO useful :) |
| 11:05.02 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: you do see absorbs in combat log |
| 11:05.02 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: eh no |
| 11:05.04 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: nah, at least not world of logs |
| 11:05.10 | nevcairiel | i only use world of logs |
| 11:05.12 | nevcairiel | no ingame meters |
| 11:05.14 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: yes, but not whose shield got used iirc |
| 11:05.15 | nevcairiel | live uploader ftw |
| 11:05.18 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: they look at absorbs on the target, and then do some guessing to decide what healer to count those toward |
| 11:05.30 | nevcairiel | stolenlegacy: if you run with one disc only, its close enough |
| 11:05.50 | arkanes | one source of absorbs, anyway |
| 11:05.53 | Mikk | run with 2 healers with valanyr and it gets really random :P |
| 11:05.53 | stolenlegacy | imo, shields are too strong anyways |
| 11:06.03 | stolenlegacy | since they always take precedence over heals |
| 11:06.04 | Mikk | "OLOL I BUBBLED 3 TIMES AS MUCH AS YOU DID!" |
| 11:06.17 | nevcairiel | that bubble thing is awesome |
| 11:06.18 | Mikk | next fight.. "NOW I BEAT _YOU_!" |
| 11:06.19 | nevcairiel | looks so great |
| 11:06.26 | Shefki | It's not even random. The druids win always because we end up with the shields on the most people so it gives us the credit for more of them than it should. |
| 11:06.36 | stolenlegacy | get the trinket from AQ |
| 11:06.37 | arkanes | stolenlegacy: they're very strong, thats why they do so much less per cast than heals do |
| 11:07.05 | Mikk | trinket? AQ? |
| 11:07.14 | stolenlegacy | on-use vanalyr effect |
| 11:07.16 | nevcairiel | switches his second spec from bear to moonkin |
| 11:07.34 | nevcairiel | i never go bearing around anymore, need to try something new |
| 11:07.35 | arkanes | as a mechanic I enjoy managing, I prefer stuff like living seed and earth shield to shields though |
| 11:07.46 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: http://www.wowhead.com/item=21625 |
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| 11:08.13 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: AWESOME METER WINNER! \o/ |
| 11:08.17 | stolenlegacy | haha |
| 11:08.38 | arkanes | does WOL even know about that shield? |
| 11:08.51 | Mikk | umm mayeb not :/ |
| 11:09.00 | arkanes | also! |
| 11:09.12 | arkanes | 9k dps on patchwerk, with no windfury |
| 11:09.18 | arkanes | but 50% bloodlust uptime |
| 11:09.38 | arkanes | 13k if I'd had it? maybe |
| 11:09.46 | stolenlegacy | spec? |
| 11:09.49 | arkanes | mut |
| 11:10.34 | stolenlegacy | what level do you get FFB at? 75? |
| 11:10.43 | arkanes | 60 |
| 11:10.48 | stolenlegacy | no |
| 11:10.53 | arkanes | no? |
| 11:10.57 | stolenlegacy | i'm 74 |
| 11:11.04 | stolenlegacy | so no |
| 11:11.04 | arkanes | oh nm |
| 11:11.09 | stolenlegacy | i think it's 75 |
| 11:11.10 | arkanes | I was thining of something else |
| 11:11.11 | stolenlegacy | since MI is 80 |
| 11:11.31 | stolenlegacy | 60 is pig poly |
| 11:12.00 | arkanes | yes, 75 |
| 11:12.05 | stolenlegacy | awesome |
| 11:12.15 | stolenlegacy | one more instant slow for frost pvp <3 |
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| 11:36.48 | nevcairiel | dummy dps says 4600~ with my broken rotation |
| 11:36.55 | nevcairiel | do i use wrath to proc eclipse? |
| 11:37.44 | arkanes | you mean to open? |
| 11:37.56 | arkanes | cause once it procs you switch until the next proc & repeat |
| 11:38.04 | nevcairiel | yeah thats what i did now |
| 11:38.14 | nevcairiel | started with wrath, on proc changed to starfire until it proced |
| 11:38.23 | nevcairiel | when no proc was up, refresh IS and MF |
| 11:38.25 | arkanes | I think some people start with starfire |
| 11:38.28 | arkanes | but I use wrath |
| 11:38.51 | arkanes | nevcairiel: you should continue starfiring until you get another proc |
| 11:39.03 | nevcairiel | i did |
| 11:39.06 | arkanes | right |
| 11:39.10 | nevcairiel | just refreshed the hots when no proc was up |
| 11:39.15 | nevcairiel | didnt want to waste the time in proc :d |
| 11:39.21 | nevcairiel | s/hots/dots/ |
| 11:39.49 | arkanes | you'd need to check with the theorycrafters to be sure, but I think you want to refresh moonfire if you're in a phase where you're casting starfire |
| 11:40.01 | arkanes | because of the extension from the glpyh |
| 11:40.19 | nevcairiel | but 4600 dummy dps isnt too bad for my healy gear, i guess |
| 11:41.17 | nevcairiel | need to run heroics for badges |
| 11:41.49 | arkanes | get the +hit t9 first, should make a big difference |
| 11:42.09 | nevcairiel | i did a lvl80 dummy, didnt miss a single spell :( |
| 11:42.22 | nevcairiel | wanted to factor out the hit issue |
| 11:42.45 | arkanes | miss chance on an 80 is a lot lower than on a boss |
| 11:42.49 | arkanes | 10% I think? |
| 11:43.06 | arkanes | 10% less, that is |
| 11:43.12 | olafski | 3% less I'd say |
| 11:43.18 | olafski | hm oh for spells |
| 11:43.20 | arkanes | its more than that |
| 11:43.47 | nevcairiel | yeah thats why i took the 80 |
| 11:43.52 | nevcairiel | need to get gear now :) |
| 11:44.01 | arkanes | 13%, aoccording to wowiki |
| 11:44.27 | arkanes | 4% mniss on an even level mob, your talents would make that up |
| 11:45.11 | olafski | for melee it's 5% on even level and 8% on bosses though right =( |
| 11:45.21 | arkanes | yes |
| 11:47.32 | olafski | gdgd |
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| 11:53.53 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 11:53.57 | Fisker | i'm the prime minister of britain |
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| 12:01.24 | sbu | Fisker: you are harriet jones, right? :p |
| 12:02.32 | Fisker | is he the prime minister of britain |
| 12:02.40 | sbu | err no... nevermind |
| 12:03.21 | Fisker | Doctor Whowned |
| 12:06.18 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/042010/power_lubrication.jpg |
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| 12:16.30 | Shot | Everything I can find online tells me that wow's UI textures should be in Data/interface.mpq but I don't seem to have one, any suggestions? |
| 12:21.39 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 12:21.43 | Fisker | i'm on a horse |
| 12:21.52 | Wobin | backwards? |
| 12:22.02 | Fisker | nope |
| 12:22.06 | Wobin | fail |
| 12:24.29 | Nightblade | is their a nice way to get "the first" key from a dictionary in lua? |
| 12:24.42 | Wobin | there is no such thing =) |
| 12:24.48 | Nightblade | hence the quotes :) |
| 12:24.58 | Nightblade | any old key* |
| 12:24.58 | Wobin | next() |
| 12:25.06 | Nightblade | yeah i thought of that |
| 12:25.25 | Nightblade | cheers |
| 12:26.07 | Fisker | http://i44.tinypic.com/2n81lw9.jpg Wobin |
| 12:26.10 | Fisker | i'm awesome |
| 12:26.18 | Fisker | i'm the damn prime minister of britain |
| 12:27.03 | Wobin | the prime minister of britain plays WoW? |
| 12:27.13 | Shot | Were things like interface.mpq and textures.mpq merged into other mpq files at some point? |
| 12:27.26 | Shot | I've been browsing through all of them but can't seem to find any UI textures |
| 12:27.31 | Nightblade | would something like this work? for k, _ in pairs(somedict) do return k end |
| 12:27.34 | Fisker | he does now Wobin |
| 12:27.43 | Fisker | well technically he did |
| 12:27.59 | Nightblade | Shot: yeah i think they're all in "patch.mpq" etc |
| 12:32.36 | stolenlegacy | Shot: just d/l the interface pack |
| 12:32.55 | stolenlegacy | Nightblade: that would return the first value found |
| 12:33.07 | stolenlegacy | but i think the order pairs() returns in is random |
| 12:33.37 | Wobin | no |
| 12:33.40 | Wobin | just 'undefined' |
| 12:34.24 | stolenlegacy | which means it is consistent between multiple calls? |
| 12:35.24 | mitch0 | probably as long as there are no inserts/deletes in-between |
| 12:35.54 | Nightblade | sounds like it will do, i just want to populate a drop-down with something other than a blank |
| 12:41.38 | Proto | Morning |
| 12:46.43 | Wobin | well |
| 12:46.57 | Wobin | it means it's not dependable to have any consistancy |
| 12:47.13 | Wobin | if you want to order a dictionary, you'll need a lookup table |
| 12:48.21 | Fisker | i'm on a boat Wobin |
| 12:50.58 | Wobin | You're on -something- that's for sure |
| 12:51.14 | nevcairiel | he smoked a boat? |
| 12:51.31 | Wobin | I don't put it past him |
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| 12:55.25 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil 04Release v3.3.06 * r58 : Tagging as Release v3.3.06 |
| 12:55.45 | stolenlegacy | @describe pokedex |
| 12:55.47 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pokedex/. Pokedex. Companion selector addon using Ace3. |
| 12:56.07 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
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| 13:40.40 | industrial | uhm question; you can no longer do the argent tournament dailies right? |
| 13:41.16 | industrial | I am thinking this would be the easiest way for me to aquire the Bind on Account items that I still need for my alts. |
| 13:42.04 | genetik- | why wouldn't you be able to do the tournament dailies? |
| 13:42.29 | industrial | because when I enter the horde building I dont see the quests above the NPC heads :( |
| 13:42.49 | genetik- | weird |
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| 13:43.08 | pentium166 | toggle ui? |
| 13:43.13 | industrial | oh wait, my char got a faction transfer. might need to start over then? in that case I still dont see the intro quest (same questgiver right?) |
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| 13:45.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | good morning |
| 13:47.19 | industrial | morning sylvanaar_atwork |
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| 13:50.02 | haste | industrial: yes you need to start over |
| 13:51.15 | industrial | but where http://images.gammatester.com/pics/54cb2f6e5e096b28bfd67a9b51c0506c.jpg |
| 13:51.55 | industrial | nm got it |
| 13:52.03 | olafski | the intro is in the argent crusade tent |
| 13:53.00 | industrial | yea |
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| 14:11.57 | lololfunny | anyone here? |
| 14:12.07 | [Ammo] | ssssht we're hunting wabbit |
| 14:12.28 | lololfunny | i want wabbit.. /hungry |
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| 14:15.04 | industrial | looks a vhaarr |
| 14:15.08 | industrial | :> |
| 14:16.04 | Adirelle|work | local Red = GS_Quality[( i + 1 ) * 1000].Red["A"] + (((ItemScore - GS_Quality[( i + 1 ) * 1000].Red["B"])*GS_Quality[( i + 1 ) * 1000].Red["C"])*GS_Quality[( i + 1 ) * 1000].Red["D"]) |
| 14:16.09 | Adirelle|work | someone should be shot |
| 14:16.17 | Shot | Will I do? |
| 14:16.30 | Adirelle|work | funny |
| 14:19.14 | Shot | I am totally confused by that code though |
| 14:19.41 | nevcairiel | thats the point of it! |
| 14:20.14 | Shot | red = redA + ( ( (itemscore - redB) * redC) * redD) |
| 14:21.36 | Shot | I'm thinking that red might not refer to a colour |
| 14:21.49 | Shot | It makes less nonsense if I convince myself of that |
| 14:21.52 | Shot | Not more sense |
| 14:21.55 | Shot | Just less nonsense |
| 14:22.10 | Adirelle|work | "do not attribute to nastiness what could be explained by stupidity" |
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| 14:22.45 | Adirelle|work | or sth like that |
| 14:22.59 | Adirelle|work | I think someone over-used of copy-paste |
| 14:26.50 | Fisker | i could nevcairiel you nevcairiel |
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| 18:18.19 | Groktar | hmmm |
| 18:18.30 | Groktar | i'm supposed to go to newegg and pick out a mouse/monitor/keyboard |
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| 18:19.46 | Repo | 10broker-calendar: 03CrazyBenny * r30 / (7 files in 1 directory): remake, might be actually useful now |
| 18:22.42 | Pneumatus | ~seen sb|work |
| 18:22.46 | purl | sb|work <~sb@80.67.20.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11d 1h 32m 25s ago, saying: 'ah, now you are trying to convert your banking stuff to google? :p'. |
| 18:23.01 | Antiarc | Groktar: I'm partial to Logitech for the keyboard/mouse |
| 18:23.13 | Pneumatus | ditto Antiarc |
| 18:23.21 | Pneumatus | g15 + mx revolution |
| 18:23.36 | Ac-town | i was looking at the steelseries keyboards |
| 18:23.36 | wink | razerpro |
| 18:23.38 | Antiarc | I'm using a G5 right now |
| 18:23.39 | wink | and g11 |
| 18:23.43 | Silowyi | hmm if I got 4000 people to click my Bioware Bazaar link in the next 8 minutes I could win this: http://social.bioware.com/auction |
| 18:23.47 | Antiarc | Also, wow, monitors got cheap |
| 18:23.51 | Pneumatus | and for monitors, i swear by samsung syncmasters |
| 18:23.53 | Aeyan | My G5 has been good to me for a long time |
| 18:23.54 | Silowyi | I don't think I could get 4000 people to click though :P |
| 18:23.58 | Antiarc | Samsungs are very nice. |
| 18:24.03 | Ac-town | ^ |
| 18:24.09 | Antiarc | I've got a Samsung and an Acer, both 24", both very nice. |
| 18:24.15 | Silowyi | only buys Samsung monitors/TVs |
| 18:24.25 | Pneumatus | got a pair of SyncMaster 2433s, and love them hard |
| 18:24.26 | Ac-town | most monitors i have seen work fine |
| 18:24.27 | Antiarc | (the Samsung is rebranded as a Dell, but it's a Samsung Syncmaster) |
| 18:24.35 | Ac-town | the only real issues now a days for computer stuff is mobos |
| 18:24.52 | Antiarc | Gigabyte is my current favorite mobo manufacturer |
| 18:24.54 | Pneumatus | 1) gigabyte, 2) ..., 3) profit? |
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| 18:25.00 | Ac-town | its hard to pick other then that |
| 18:25.04 | Silowyi | I like EVGA's recent mobos |
| 18:25.04 | wink | gigabyte can die in a fire |
| 18:25.10 | Groktar | ya, i'm using an mx revolution at home |
| 18:25.11 | Ac-town | Silowyi: its an nvidia chip |
| 18:25.12 | Pneumatus | i used to be an asus fan, but they can DIAF |
| 18:25.13 | Ac-town | bad news |
| 18:25.17 | Antiarc | EVGA's always been kind of bottom-of-the-scale, aren't they? |
| 18:25.17 | Groktar | not sure if i want a corded version for work |
| 18:25.23 | wink | my board's not doing any decent raid stuff |
| 18:25.29 | Antiarc | Groktar: I go with wireless keyboard, wired mouse |
| 18:25.30 | Ac-town | Antiarc: they use an nvidia bridge |
| 18:25.35 | Antiarc | Just because wireless mice are always too heavy |
| 18:25.37 | Silowyi | EVGA has some nice ones now |
| 18:25.43 | wink | GA-P35-DS4 |
| 18:25.43 | Ac-town | Antiarc: i hear they dont work too well, but the have lots of features |
| 18:25.44 | wink | total crap |
| 18:25.47 | Groktar | really? mx revolution feels just right too me |
| 18:25.48 | Antiarc | The G5 has a variable weight cartridge |
| 18:26.00 | Silowyi | but atm I'm using an Asus anyway |
| 18:26.14 | Antiarc | I like light mice |
| 18:26.18 | Antiarc | Especially for gaming |
| 18:26.20 | nevcairiel | wink: i had a P35-DS3R and it was perfectly fine |
| 18:26.27 | wink | tried RAID? |
| 18:26.29 | Pneumatus | maxtor are another bunch of clowns that can die in a fire |
| 18:26.42 | Antiarc | I'm using a GA-P35-S3G |
| 18:26.46 | wink | maybe *all* Intel ICH are fucked |
| 18:26.51 | nevcairiel | wink: onboard raid controllers are fake, could as well use windows or linux to do it for you |
| 18:26.54 | Antiarc | Works fine for me, though I'm not running a RAID setup |
| 18:26.57 | wink | but mine has read performance on RAID1 <<<<<< normal sata |
| 18:27.16 | Antiarc | If you want RAID you generally buy a RAID controller, no? |
| 18:27.16 | Ac-town | nevcairiel: software raid? meh |
| 18:27.17 | wink | I know, but they advertise i |
| 18:27.21 | wink | so I tested it :) |
| 18:27.23 | wink | and it sucked |
| 18:27.33 | wink | apart from that, the board is working |
| 18:27.41 | wink | nowadays I'm not expecting much more |
| 18:27.43 | nevcairiel | Ac-town: software raid is fine, at least on linux. Just the fake raid provided by cheap controllers usually sucks |
| 18:27.48 | wink | so ok, it's not total crap :) |
| 18:27.49 | Pneumatus | i've got a GA-EX58A-UD3R |
| 18:27.53 | Silowyi | I like Asus RoG motherboards |
| 18:28.03 | Ac-town | nevcairiel: true, but good hardware raid is the best |
| 18:28.06 | wink | my Asus K7V wasn't too Bad |
| 18:28.12 | wink | the A7V was horrible |
| 18:28.12 | Ac-town | i would not trust windows with raid |
| 18:28.19 | wink | needed 4 bios revisions to be stable |
| 18:28.21 | nevcairiel | wouldnt use it on windows |
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| 18:28.25 | wink | damn slot a athlons |
| 18:28.29 | nevcairiel | i just use it on linux in certain cases |
| 18:28.32 | Ac-town | yeah |
| 18:28.46 | Groktar | also with a hardware raid, you don't lose your raid when you switch motherboards |
| 18:28.46 | Ac-town | for fun me and a few friends did 30 hard drive raid |
| 18:28.52 | Ac-town | stripe/mirror |
| 18:28.52 | Silowyi | I'm using an asus board right now with 4x30GB Vertex SSDs |
| 18:29.04 | Silowyi | raid 0 :) |
| 18:29.10 | wink | 4x30? ugh |
| 18:29.13 | nevcairiel | Groktar: neither with a real sw raid, just those onboard controllers, eeww |
| 18:29.14 | Ac-town | over a fiber channel array, two of them lol |
| 18:29.36 | Silowyi | 4x30 is big enough for me |
| 18:29.41 | Groktar | they finally gave me my first ticket at work |
| 18:29.47 | Silowyi | cause I have 2 TB on the file server over there --> |
| 18:29.47 | Groktar | i changed 3 lines of html |
| 18:29.48 | Groktar | wheee |
| 18:29.52 | wink | Groktar: you a trst driver? :D |
| 18:29.56 | wink | *test |
| 18:30.01 | wink | oh :( |
| 18:30.03 | Groktar | web developer |
| 18:30.20 | wink | so no speeding tickets |
| 18:30.29 | wink | "make it faster" |
| 18:32.34 | Silowyi | does anyone know of an equivalent to the perc controllers dell uses in their servers? |
| 18:32.47 | Silowyi | for desktop raid? |
| 18:33.04 | nevcairiel | just use the perc controller? :D |
| 18:33.43 | Repo | 10broker-calendar: 03CrazyBenny * r31 / (2 files in 1 directory): oopsie |
| 18:33.56 | Silowyi | do they have a pci version? |
| 18:34.06 | Silowyi | or pci-e rather |
| 18:34.14 | nevcairiel | perc5 and 6 are pci-e |
| 18:34.24 | Silowyi | nice did not know |
| 18:34.42 | nevcairiel | 5 uses an internal pci-x bridge, 6 is a real pcie controller |
| 19:03.37 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc |
| 19:03.40 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (1d 1h 40m 22s) #wowace (1d 1h 40m 22s) #curseforge (1d 1h 40m 22s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 36m 24s, last said: 'If you want RAID you generally buy a RAID controller, no?'. |
| 19:03.52 | Antiarc | Hi Fisker |
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| 19:05.50 | Groktar | sigh, and this is the part where everyone plays call of duty for 40 minutes after lunch |
| 19:05.54 | Fisker | tott worth replacing if we're trading between 2 rogues |
| 19:05.59 | Groktar | but i have the crappy laptop that can't handle it |
| 19:06.05 | Fisker | ? |
| 19:11.24 | Fisker | aww Antiarc : |
| 19:11.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:11.46 | Antiarc | Fisker: If you're mut, you want tott |
| 19:12.08 | Antiarc | If you're combat, you can replace it, probably, since the gain from your other glyph will be about the same raid DPS and ensure smoother cycles |
| 19:12.11 | Antiarc | Resulting in higher overall DPS |
| 19:14.08 | Fisker | : |
| 19:14.10 | Fisker | :o |
| 19:14.18 | Fisker | how is your rotation then? |
| 19:14.18 | Fisker | ish |
| 19:14.30 | Fisker | since you have a set amount of combo points basically |
| 19:14.34 | sbu | there is a 'fisker' in my raid now! |
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| 19:19.14 | arkanes_ | I use FoK instead of tott in my mut build |
| 19:19.22 | arkanes_ | because I hate my raid partners |
| 19:19.43 | Groktar | lol |
| 19:19.52 | Groktar | tricks the arcane mage on the pull |
| 19:19.53 | Groktar | do eet |
| 19:20.14 | Groktar | get a hunter and rogue friend to help, too |
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| 19:21.34 | Groktar | pounces Baraius |
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| 19:22.43 | Groktar | nibbles on Nechckn's soul |
| 19:23.42 | Baraius | That's just disturbing. |
| 19:24.47 | Groktar | kills Baraius then uses his flesh to make sausage |
| 19:25.15 | Baraius | bursts into tears. |
| 19:25.35 | Groktar | makes a nice black pudding |
| 19:29.11 | Repo | 10lazyleader (experimental): 03Seliar * r13 / (4 files in 1 directory): - Added EJ talent build calculations |
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| 19:32.14 | Antiarc | Fisker: I swapped the SS glyph back in over the ToTT glyph |
| 19:32.21 | Antiarc | It makes rotations far more stable |
| 19:32.35 | Antiarc | Before I was having problems with SnD or Rupture or both falling off if I had a combat potency dry streak |
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| 19:34.49 | Fisker | dun dun dun :( |
| 19:34.57 | Fisker | going to see how it turns out then |
| 19:35.02 | Fisker | got 15 of each |
| 19:38.57 | Repo | 10lazyleader (experimental): 03Seliar * r14 EJTalentBuilds.lua: - EJTalentBuilds.lua fix |
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| 19:43.13 | Fisker | @project lazyleader |
| 19:43.15 | Repo | Fisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/lazyleader/. LazyLeader. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Seliar (Manager/Author). Updated: 16 days ago |
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| 20:01.33 | sbu | mhh... |
| 20:01.43 | Groktar | politely kills sbu |
| 20:01.56 | sbu | i should really disable nazignome in pug raids... |
| 20:02.08 | Groktar | nazignome? |
| 20:02.14 | sbu | some random #*!)#* could write a ticket + get me banned... |
| 20:02.16 | sbu | yea |
| 20:02.19 | sbu | @describe nazignome |
| 20:02.27 | sbu | hm |
| 20:02.31 | Repo | sbu: http://www.wowace.com/addons/nazignome/. NaziGnome. Flask/Food checker. |
| 20:03.28 | Alleidun | when you do it with that command Fisker, is that the pages section on wowace ? the updates part ? |
| 20:05.11 | Fisker | this is a conundrum Antiarc |
| 20:05.55 | Antiarc | ? |
| 20:07.24 | Fisker | can't really get rupture offset from SnD |
| 20:07.30 | Fisker | they keep expiring at the same time |
| 20:07.31 | Fisker | :o |
| 20:07.33 | Antiarc | Using the rupture glyph? |
| 20:08.13 | Megalon | is this killing you fisker? |
| 20:08.33 | Fisker | yeah Antiarc |
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| 20:16.08 | Megalon | http://www.flickr.com/photos/clutterbells/4495993800/sizes/o/ :> |
| 20:16.51 | Groktar | is suspicious of your link |
| 20:17.52 | Megalon | :'( |
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| 20:23.46 | Fisker | http://ajk.im/weapon_identification.png |
| 20:24.25 | NeoTron | Fisker: don't get it |
| 20:24.38 | Pneumatus | httpd's need pilots? |
| 20:26.22 | Groktar | noms your apache conf files |
| 20:26.54 | vhaarr | sbu: anything I can do to help with nazignome? |
| 20:27.04 | vhaarr | sbu: I mean, would any kind of option help you with this or what |
| 20:29.34 | sbu | vhaarr: maybe a "disable for this raid/session" option :p |
| 20:29.44 | sbu | since you cant tell pugs from non-pugs ;) |
| 20:30.01 | sbu | or maybe i should change the "nazi" string... |
| 20:30.05 | vhaarr | but then you can just disable the whisper |
| 20:30.10 | sbu | hm yup |
| 20:30.18 | Groktar | could make it bitchy like recount |
| 20:30.26 | sbu | i think i'll get easily ticketed - german server etc.. :o |
| 20:30.29 | vhaarr | I don't use recount, what does that mean? |
| 20:30.39 | Groktar | every time you join a group or enter a new instance it asks you whether to reset |
| 20:30.53 | Groktar | "Enable nazignome for this group?" |
| 20:30.54 | vhaarr | oh god |
| 20:30.57 | Groktar | hehe |
| 20:31.01 | Groktar | yeah, annoying as hell |
| 20:31.16 | Groktar | but i can't turn it off |
| 20:31.28 | Groktar | because then i'll never reset recount |
| 20:31.37 | Groktar | and it will take up a ton of ram |
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| 20:32.07 | Groktar | or if i set it to automatically reset it will reset when i don't want it to :( |
| 20:32.11 | Pneumatus | @describe nazignome |
| 20:32.14 | Repo | Pneumatus: http://www.wowace.com/addons/nazignome/. NaziGnome. Flask/Food checker. |
| 20:32.18 | vhaarr | I don't think I want this kind of popup really |
| 20:32.25 | Groktar | thinks the obvious solution is to leave "nazi" out of your whiser |
| 20:32.44 | vhaarr | indeed if it bothers you |
| 20:33.13 | Groktar | i thought that was what sbu was worried about? |
| 20:33.17 | Groktar | doesn't care, personally |
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| 20:35.01 | Groktar | blames Olog |
| 20:35.31 | Olog | what did I do? :( |
| 20:35.43 | Groktar | wise guy |
| 20:35.57 | Fisker | slaps Groktar around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:36.06 | Fisker | slap'd guy |
| 20:36.09 | Repo | 10avr: 03olog * r16 / (23 files in 6 directories): - Added arrow mesh |
| 20:36.11 | Repo | - Added timer circle mesh (used on some bosses in BigWigs scene) |
| 20:36.23 | Repo | - Added some descriptions in options |
| 20:36.24 | Groktar | slaps Fisker around a bit with a rotting elephant liver |
| 20:36.25 | Repo | - Many bug fixes and tweaks |
| 20:37.10 | Fisker | slaps Groktar around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:37.55 | Groktar | slaps Fisker around a bit with an ebola infected monkey |
| 20:39.54 | sbu | vhaarr: i dont have any problems with that, but other people (german server) are easily offended by 'nazi'... *sigh* |
| 20:40.08 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 20:40.21 | nevcairiel | people should really get over themself |
| 20:40.38 | vhaarr | indeed, until that point either change the whisper or live in danger of getting banned :P |
| 20:40.53 | Pneumatus | or blend them. |
| 20:41.11 | nevcairiel | if enough people complain, someone at curse might still ask you to rename it anyway |
| 20:41.32 | vhaarr | then it will just get removed from curse, not like that bothers me |
| 20:42.10 | vhaarr | although I would miss getting the reports |
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| 20:43.50 | Repo | 10avr: 03olog 040.9.3beta * r17 : - Tagging 0.9.3beta |
| 20:44.05 | vhaarr | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/04/06/1718250/Star-Wars-To-Air-As-Animated-Sitcom |
| 20:44.09 | vhaarr | jesus christ |
| 20:44.15 | Shadowed | bahaha |
| 20:44.21 | Shadowed | hilarious |
| 20:44.24 | Pneumatus | sounds awesome. |
| 20:44.31 | vhaarr | please, George, let the franchise die with -some- dignity |
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| 20:44.52 | Pneumatus | as if the prequels werent bad enough :< |
| 20:44.52 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: did you read http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=299999#post299999 yet? |
| 20:44.54 | nevcairiel | its really funny |
| 20:45.43 | vhaarr | haha |
| 20:45.55 | vhaarr | "you have a new private message from kunda" |
| 20:45.58 | vhaarr | excellent |
| 20:47.08 | nevcairiel | that guy has so many issues |
| 20:47.57 | Pneumatus | you're totally trivialising what nazis did in the past vhaarr |
| 20:48.00 | Pneumatus | bad times |
| 20:48.25 | vhaarr | yes I know, but still you have to give me credit for being able to do that with the name of a WoW addon |
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| 20:49.05 | vhaarr | "Sorry, but I think you are the no-brainer!" |
| 20:49.09 | vhaarr | "Please rename your AddOn asap. Thanks." |
| 20:49.10 | vhaarr | -kunda |
| 20:49.14 | Kalroth | Pneumatus: Yeah, my grandpa died in WWII, he fell out of a guard tower while trying to shoot an escaping Jew |
| 20:49.16 | vhaarr | I am the what? |
| 20:49.43 | Jygga | well i blame seinfeld |
| 20:49.57 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: in other news, I thought the forum PMs and wowace PMs were the same thing? |
| 20:50.02 | nevcairiel | no, its not |
| 20:50.03 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: guess that's not the case? |
| 20:50.04 | vhaarr | aha |
| 20:50.06 | vhaarr | hrm |
| 20:50.10 | Jygga | and his wretched soupnazi sketch |
| 20:50.15 | Jygga | hillarious |
| 20:50.24 | vhaarr | okay time for tacos and 24 |
| 20:50.43 | Pneumatus | you should make JewGnome for watching your finances vharr |
| 20:50.50 | Jygga | :D |
| 20:51.02 | Pneumatus | spellfail :< |
| 20:51.26 | Jygga | use the tab luke |
| 20:52.14 | Pneumatus | i thought i could get it right on my own :< |
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| 21:03.54 | Pneumatus | anyone happen to have an HTC Desire? |
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| 21:07.00 | sbu | uhm vhaarr |
| 21:07.14 | sbu | the summary (missing flask/food) is printed on every raid leave |
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| 21:07.36 | sbu | so 10 people leave the raid -> summary is displayed 10 times |
| 21:09.44 | Groktar | D: |
| 21:10.37 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: some people just need to learn that after a while its just stupid to play the politically correct game with everything, like the old jewish guy that stopped using ebay because if he got anymore positive feedback he would get a 'yellow star' next to his name |
| 21:10.59 | Groktar | oh my |
| 21:11.32 | Arrowmaster | and because of that ebay changed it |
| 21:11.40 | Arrowmaster | fucking stupid |
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| 21:11.54 | mitchnull | arrow: that's certainly stupid. but using "nazi" is also borderline stupid... |
| 21:13.03 | Arrowmaster | yes and video games where you go around killing nazi's arent allowed to use the work nazi or show a swastika if they want to be sold in germany.... |
| 21:13.11 | Arrowmaster | imho thats stupid |
| 21:13.18 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:13.34 | nevcairiel | rtcw with all flags replaced by rtcw logos |
| 21:13.50 | stolenlegacy | is there any way to make the target frame show for, say, only friendly units? |
| 21:13.56 | nevcairiel | instead of the flag of the 3rd reich |
| 21:14.10 | stolenlegacy | tried hooking OnShow/OnHide, but that causes issues in combat (it's secure) |
| 21:14.15 | nevcairiel | I mean, you can see it in movies too |
| 21:14.37 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: inglorious bastards ever get a german release? |
| 21:14.44 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:14.53 | nevcairiel | was in cinemas and they sell optical discs too |
| 21:15.00 | Arrowmaster | did they edit it? |
| 21:15.00 | nevcairiel | no idea if its cut |
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| 21:15.27 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what he carves into the guys foreheads in the german version |
| 21:15.39 | nicoli_s | smiley face? |
| 21:15.40 | stolenlegacy | big yellow smileys |
| 21:15.45 | stolenlegacy | haha |
| 21:16.47 | nevcairiel | the runtime advertised by amazon is the same as US |
| 21:16.49 | nevcairiel | so i guess no cuts |
| 21:17.09 | Arrowmaster | dubbed? |
| 21:17.27 | nevcairiel | everything is dubbed here |
| 21:17.29 | Groktar | every time i watch something dubbed into german |
| 21:17.36 | Groktar | they all have high voices |
| 21:17.41 | nevcairiel | but dvds come with english too :P |
| 21:17.47 | nevcairiel | Groktar: thats not a german issue, thats PAL |
| 21:17.50 | nevcairiel | get blurays |
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| 21:17.51 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:17.58 | Groktar | hmm |
| 21:18.22 | nevcairiel | PAL is created by increasing the speed from 24 to 25 |
| 21:18.25 | nevcairiel | so a 4% speed up |
| 21:18.29 | nevcairiel | 4% higher pitch in voices |
| 21:18.37 | Groktar | ic |
| 21:18.46 | Arrowmaster | 24000/1001 to 25 |
| 21:18.53 | Fisker | imma fuck you up |
| 21:18.59 | Groktar | hush Fisker |
| 21:19.02 | Groktar | adults are talking |
| 21:19.09 | nevcairiel | if you use a PC to play stuff, get Reclock to fix the pal speedup |
| 21:19.14 | nevcairiel | or just buy blurays :) |
| 21:19.20 | Groktar | i shall certainly try that |
| 21:19.21 | stolenlegacy | whips out a meat grinder for Groktar to use on Fisker |
| 21:19.32 | mitchnull | don't they bother to speed the voice up without screwing up pitch? |
| 21:19.48 | nevcairiel | mitchnull: sometimes, depends when in production they dub |
| 21:19.50 | stolenlegacy | mitchnull: we're europeans. second-class people, per say |
| 21:19.53 | Fisker | wat? |
| 21:20.53 | Fisker | not even second-class stolenlegacy |
| 21:20.53 | stolenlegacy | Fisker: but? |
| 21:20.53 | nevcairiel | mitchnull: the german sound track is usually dubbed after the speed up, so voices are fine, however they don't fix the english sound track, as its not the "main" one anyway |
| 21:20.54 | nevcairiel | of course its worse for UK dvds |
| 21:20.54 | nevcairiel | they don't dub, just speed up |
| 21:21.09 | nevcairiel | but hey, thats PAL |
| 21:21.09 | Arrowmaster | well off to class |
| 21:21.30 | stolenlegacy | Arrowmaster: gl hf? |
| 21:21.37 | nevcairiel | at least the video is perfectly smooth, not like htsc with its repeated frame |
| 21:21.42 | nevcairiel | ntsc* |
| 21:21.51 | mitchnull | still, given that this "speed up without pitch change" is part of almost every sound app I've encountered, I'm really curious why they don't do it... |
| 21:21.56 | Groktar | it's possible to speed up w/o increasing pitch, isn't it? |
| 21:22.01 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:22.05 | nevcairiel | but they dont bother usually |
| 21:22.09 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: its worse than just repeated frame for telecine |
| 21:22.22 | Groktar | figured germans were just girly men :D |
| 21:22.24 | stolenlegacy | haven't seen the film yet, but aren't there any german passages in the english version? |
| 21:22.31 | stolenlegacy | nazi films usually have some |
| 21:22.32 | nevcairiel | there are |
| 21:22.36 | nevcairiel | also some french |
| 21:23.15 | nevcairiel | dubbing moves that contain native german parts into german lose really alot of their feeling in that part |
| 21:23.15 | Groktar | and some "italian" |
| 21:23.16 | Groktar | heh |
| 21:23.21 | nevcairiel | since its all the same language then |
| 21:23.41 | stolenlegacy | Groktar: what are those quotes i see there? |
| 21:23.53 | nevcairiel | they speak like 3 words italian :P |
| 21:23.54 | Groktar | if you'd seen the movie you would understand |
| 21:24.03 | nevcairiel | barely, too |
| 21:24.10 | Groktar | yeah, it was "italian" |
| 21:24.10 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: still better than being in cinema and not having english audio available a click away |
| 21:24.47 | nevcairiel | thats why i go to cinemas so rarely, still have to find a good one with english sound |
| 21:24.54 | nevcairiel | but apparently not many people prefer that |
| 21:25.13 | stolenlegacy | 1.) jump down wyrmrest temple 2.) hit blink 3.) wonder why you don't move 4.) check your blink button 5.) realize it's on cooldown 6.) splat |
| 21:25.26 | Groktar | keke |
| 21:25.34 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: show me a single cinema with IMAX that shows OVs |
| 21:25.41 | Groktar | OVs? |
| 21:25.45 | nevcairiel | IMAX is overrated |
| 21:25.46 | stolenlegacy | original versions |
| 21:25.51 | stolenlegacy | e.g. english audio |
| 21:26.01 | nevcairiel | i dont really like it |
| 21:26.14 | stolenlegacy | nevcairiel: the 3d glasses are uncomfortable in non-imax |
| 21:26.21 | stolenlegacy | at least in all cinemas i know off |
| 21:26.24 | stolenlegacy | s/off/of/ |
| 21:26.27 | mitchnull | stolen: IB noob |
| 21:26.31 | nevcairiel | didnt bother me |
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| 21:26.44 | nevcairiel | also, i saw one movie in 3d, its not like everything is 3d now |
| 21:26.46 | Pneumatus | or slowfall |
| 21:27.04 | stolenlegacy | mitch: only jumped from the middle floor; pneumatus: same |
| 21:27.04 | Groktar | forces nevcairiel to watch "clash of the titans" in "3d" |
| 21:27.08 | NivFreak | Antiarc: is there still a ruptureless combat build? |
| 21:27.22 | NivFreak | Antiarc: or are these random combat rogue parses failure rogues |
| 21:27.27 | stolenlegacy | NivFreak: correct question would be "is there still a rupture using combat build" i think |
| 21:27.37 | Antiarc | Rupture is back. |
| 21:27.41 | NivFreak | rupture is back in 3.3.3 |
| 21:27.44 | stolenlegacy | goes back to his corner |
| 21:27.51 | NivFreak | just not sure if there is some valid case where you'd still not use it |
| 21:27.52 | Antiarc | NivFreak: Ruptureless is suboptmial unless it's a fight with lots of target switches |
| 21:27.58 | Pneumatus | back using rupture rather than evis? |
| 21:28.02 | Antiarc | I'd go ruptureless on Dreamwalker |
| 21:28.06 | NivFreak | well in this case, it's over all ICC fights |
| 21:28.08 | Antiarc | But uh, not sure I would anywhere else |
| 21:28.10 | stolenlegacy | my rogue is a) mutilate b) rarely played |
| 21:28.11 | NivFreak | which I'd assume is a failure |
| 21:28.17 | Antiarc | Mut doesn't bother with rupture |
| 21:28.19 | Antiarc | Only combat does |
| 21:28.24 | NivFreak | just wanted confirmation in case I'd missed something subtle |
| 21:28.27 | stolenlegacy | i know that much |
| 21:28.37 | stolenlegacy | what i'm saying is basically "disregard what i just said" |
| 21:28.40 | NivFreak | hrm, I heard someone claim mute was using rupture again, so that's false? |
| 21:28.51 | stolenlegacy | NivFreak: yes |
| 21:29.02 | Antiarc | NivFreak: Last I'd read it was a wash, potentially a loss if if caused your SnD to ever drop |
| 21:29.07 | NivFreak | ah |
| 21:29.07 | stolenlegacy | full uptime envenom+instant poison is just far more DPS |
| 21:29.09 | Antiarc | So basically there was no benefit to using it |
| 21:29.10 | Groktar | i'm sure there are plenty of rogues using rupture as mutilate |
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| 21:29.19 | Groktar | lotsa bads out there :D |
| 21:29.32 | stolenlegacy | Groktar: it's a dps up until a certain gear level |
| 21:29.38 | NivFreak | right, but I'm asking antiarch because I trust him to have a clue |
| 21:29.39 | Groktar | orly |
| 21:29.41 | NivFreak | :P |
| 21:29.48 | stolenlegacy | think at very bad gear (<232) it is |
| 21:30.30 | stolenlegacy | Groktar: but if you want to know for sure, do the only thing that's right when thinking about rogue DPS |
| 21:31.16 | NivFreak | at that gear level, likely no one cares about your dps :) |
| 21:31.35 | stolenlegacy | point Niv |
| 21:31.46 | Pneumatus | you'd have to be pretty bad for someone else to care about your dps at endgame gear level |
| 21:32.12 | stolenlegacy | thinks killing mobs 2 levels above you in 2 GCDs is fun |
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| 21:33.18 | stolenlegacy | 1.) kill a mob using 4x AB 2.) proc missile barrage doing so 3.) quickly target a mob at full hp 4.) cast arcane missiles 5.) follow up with arcane barrage |
| 21:33.20 | stolenlegacy | 6.) gg |
| 21:33.40 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r342 / (5 files in 1 directory): RaidBuffStatus: |
| 21:33.42 | Repo | - Unleashed Rage is now handled in the specialisations report and also when it overwrites Trueshot Aura. |
| 21:33.43 | Repo | - Abomination's Might is now handled correctly. |
| 21:33.44 | Repo | - Added an option where it will just check for buffs as Pally Power has assigned them and not complain if they are sub-optimal. |
| 21:34.03 | Pneumatus | finally |
| 21:34.23 | Pneumatus | RBS trying to be clever with paladin buffs does my head in :< |
| 21:34.48 | Pneumatus | mostly because it's rarely right |
| 21:39.42 | Fisker | wat stolenlegacy ? |
| 21:39.59 | stolenlegacy | Fisker: wat fisker |
| 21:40.13 | stolenlegacy | s/wat fisker/wat wat/ |
| 21:46.03 | Fisker | wat |
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| 21:48.17 | stolenlegacy | Fisker: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/458/wowscrnshot040610234114.jpg i can has pewx3? |
| 21:48.31 | stolenlegacy | s/pewx3/P3Wx2/ |
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| 21:52.07 | Fisker | this is where i get the staff? |
| 21:52.33 | stolenlegacy | staff in the screen is sindorei staff from kj |
| 21:52.37 | stolenlegacy | anyways, night guys |
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| 22:00.53 | Groktar | oh good |
| 22:01.05 | Groktar | dedicated tank tree for dks in cata |
| 22:01.48 | NivFreak | sanity finally? |
| 22:01.57 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r426 addon/addon.lua: remove the 'don't load' default for the servernames module |
| 22:02.42 | sylvanaar | how annoying, i totally forgot it was set to 'don't load' |
| 22:02.56 | sylvanaar | Antiarc: sexymap is really nice by the way - i just tried it out |
| 22:03.11 | Shot` | Groktar, I know a couple of DKs who enjoy frost who are going to be piiiised |
| 22:03.13 | Fisker | sylvanaar is nice |
| 22:03.18 | Shot` | *piiiissed |
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| 22:05.10 | Pneumatus | not that it makes any difference really |
| 22:05.11 | Groktar | blood really made the most sense tho |
| 22:05.17 | Pneumatus | the buttons will just have different icons :P |
| 22:05.24 | Groktar | since they wanted dks to dw dps |
| 22:05.38 | Groktar | couldn't have that if they made the only dw tree the tank one |
| 22:06.44 | Groktar | this way they can have a tank tree, a dw dps tree, and a 2h dps tree |
| 22:07.06 | Groktar | and blood already had the most hp and the the stupid wotn mechanic |
| 22:07.13 | Groktar | <- favors removing all such mechanics |
| 22:08.11 | Pneumatus | will be nice to have a 51pt talent that's actually usable as a tank though |
| 22:08.22 | Groktar | hehe |
| 22:09.00 | Dashkal | RIP Blood DPS. Though I agree with the change. I'll miss it so. |
| 22:09.14 | Pneumatus | wait what, people are still dpsing as blood? |
| 22:09.29 | Dashkal | I don't do progression raiding. Blood DPS is more than adequite in heroics |
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| 22:10.08 | Dashkal | Well, who am I kidding. I was tanking anyway to avoid long queues. |
| 22:10.15 | Pneumatus | lol |
| 22:10.37 | Pneumatus | my DKs sole purpose is to farm quick badges |
| 22:10.43 | Groktar | that's what i was doing for levelling |
| 22:10.54 | Groktar | tho i only had like 4 pieces of tank gear |
| 22:10.59 | Dashkal | My 80s are just to farm badges. I have zero interest in ICC. I just want enough badges/seals to get a full set of BoAs for myworgen |
| 22:11.11 | Groktar | pro |
| 22:11.36 | Groktar | i've basically quit wow for now |
| 22:11.47 | Groktar | i'll play the world events and new obsidian sanctum |
| 22:11.53 | Dashkal | I'm inactive at the moment, but intend to wake it up shortly. I'll be there to retake gnomer :P |
| 22:11.58 | Groktar | and then level my warrior and a worgen in cata |
| 22:12.56 | Dashkal | I have my fingers crossed for warrior. If they really did deal with rage, I want to play that class next. |
| 22:13.01 | Dashkal | But my worgen hunter is first |
| 22:13.19 | Dashkal | Focus made me a very happy camper |
| 22:13.37 | Pneumatus | i should gear my warrior, its sat at 80 with half its slots empty from sending heirlooms out to other chars |
| 22:13.41 | Groktar | ye, warriors should be a lot more fun to level with the change |
| 22:13.46 | Groktar | especially at low levels |
| 22:14.12 | Dashkal | My poor druid. She's still stuck at 72. I just lost interest in WotLK |
| 22:14.36 | Dashkal | There is hope. If they make bear suck a little less, I'll be much more inclined to level her up |
| 22:14.54 | Dashkal | Drinking bird on swipe got old... fast |
| 22:15.57 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r427 modules/PopupMessage.lua: |
| 22:15.59 | Repo | try to sanity check the variables used in the popupmessage modules. #219 |
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| 22:17.30 | sylvanaar | syndication is slow today |
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| 22:20.37 | Repo | 4d25baf: more debug adding |
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| 22:20.53 | orionshock | jello and good morning to everyone... |
| 22:21.17 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 22:22.09 | orionshock | i've been offline for 3 days while moving around... the addiction is finally feed :) |
| 22:22.15 | Shot` | Dashkal, Even my super-casual gf has run out of thigns to do apart from icc pugs |
| 22:22.46 | Shot` | She has 3 sets of boa gear because she's not sure what class she wants to level a worgen as |
| 22:23.03 | Shot` | And she just realised today that she'd reached 250 triumph again, so she started buying pvp gear |
| 22:23.19 | Dashkal | Shot`: Heh, I don't have near enough badges/seals for that, but I stopped playing shortly after 3.3. |
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| 22:23.36 | Dashkal | As soon as my lock gets her Crusader title, I'll have enough for one complete set. |
| 22:23.55 | Dashkal | Then it's just the chest/shoulder pieces. |
| 22:24.07 | harl|Seeker | rofl.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42x6-Wf3Cs |
| 22:24.09 | Dashkal | I wonder how far 80 heirlooms will take you through Cata content? |
| 22:24.22 | Dashkal | is very glad that they aren't automatically going to 85 |
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| 22:27.21 | KriLL3 | super easy to get better gear than heirlooms though |
| 22:27.38 | KriLL3 | spend an afternoon doing random HC and you got a full set |
| 22:27.50 | Dashkal | That won't apply come cata |
| 22:28.00 | Dashkal | Which is what I'm thinking of |
| 22:28.00 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 22:28.14 | orionshock | what won't apply Dashkal |
| 22:28.18 | Groktar | the xp bonus will still get you from 1-80 come cata |
| 22:28.24 | Gnarfoz | you mean how far heirlooms will carry a character that you create after cataclysm is out? |
| 22:28.26 | Groktar | even if it doesn't work past that |
| 22:28.28 | Dashkal | The toon I have in mind is my new worgen. He'll hit 80 in full heirlooms, and won't be able to so easily do LK heroics to hear up. |
| 22:28.35 | Dashkal | gear* |
| 22:28.45 | KriLL3 | I guess there will be new heirlooms? |
| 22:28.47 | Dashkal | It's a curiosity. I'm certainly not adverse to gearing up |
| 22:28.55 | orionshock | they'll do what they always do... nerf it all to hell and back |
| 22:29.21 | Dashkal | Well, they have little reason to. Herilooms are balanced as blues. Starting cata content in full blues isn't overpowered given the purple is candy approach LK took |
| 22:30.02 | KriLL3 | maybe they don't let the heirlooms level past 80 for now but will later? dunno |
| 22:30.15 | KriLL3 | doubt they want you to level in heirlooms out of the gate |
| 22:30.18 | Dashkal | I'm pretty sure they'll be forever stuck at 80 and you'll have to get new ones for 80-85 |
| 22:30.27 | KriLL3 | yeah or that |
| 22:30.42 | KriLL3 | another emblem drain |
| 22:30.45 | Dashkal | My question was how long will they take you into cata content before replacement? |
| 22:30.51 | Groktar | if they don't disable the xp bonus they will still beat everything else 80-85 |
| 22:30.52 | Dashkal | No expecting an answer, just pondering |
| 22:30.58 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: no idea |
| 22:31.05 | Dashkal | I _really_ hope that XP bonus is nuked for 80+ |
| 22:31.12 | Groktar | me too |
| 22:31.49 | Groktar | the whole point of an xpac is to start over |
| 22:31.53 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 22:32.12 | Dashkal | I don't mind people having some advantage (ICC25 Purps), but the xp bonus would be too far over the top |
| 22:32.37 | KriLL3 | wonder what level you'll be able to fly in azeroth? |
| 22:32.46 | Dashkal | crosses fingers for 60 |
| 22:32.50 | Groktar | hehe |
| 22:32.57 | KriLL3 | well you're in outland then |
| 22:33.25 | Dashkal | I'm _so_ glad I left the pvp server. Leveling will be a nightmare. |
| 22:33.28 | Groktar | i hope they make flying in azeroth a big quest thing |
| 22:33.38 | Dashkal | Death from above 85s on 20s. weeee |
| 22:33.42 | orionshock | Groktar, no |
| 22:33.48 | orionshock | it'll be cheep |
| 22:33.54 | KriLL3 | how do they handle continent travel? still need to hop on a boat/airship? would be nice if there was a zone portal thing spanning the air |
| 22:34.22 | orionshock | boat/airship stil |
| 22:34.25 | orionshock | it's a server change |
| 22:34.29 | KriLL3 | just fly past the shoreline and you get sent to the other continent |
| 22:34.29 | Dashkal | I'm going to guess boat/airship. Your griffion will probably die of exaustion before crossing the ocean (or your rocket will run out of fuel, etc) |
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| 22:34.39 | KriLL3 | orionshock: yes but that could be done with a huge ass portal |
| 22:34.58 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: I'm a druid, I canz fliez! |
| 22:35.11 | KriLL3 | if I get tired I'll just shift to aquatic and eat lunch |
| 22:35.11 | Dashkal | Nevermind that it's as far from BB to IQD and you can already (more or less) do that |
| 22:35.13 | Groktar | the existing system will be a lot less annoying if we can fly in azeroth |
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| 22:35.51 | orionshock | imo 1 minor annoyance is worth their time spent doing better things |
| 22:36.02 | orionshock | like not f'ing up the new passive tradeskill |
| 22:36.20 | KriLL3 | perhaps a much smaller portal where the airship emerges? |
| 22:36.30 | KriLL3 | hate sitting there waiting for an airship to fly though |
| 22:36.38 | Dashkal | Roll a mage ;) |
| 22:36.51 | KriLL3 | they dress funny |
| 22:37.05 | Dashkal | What was that old pvp video? I'd rather wear twill? |
| 22:37.19 | KriLL3 | sorry don't know |
| 22:37.23 | Groktar | i think you want to search for "big blue dress" |
| 22:37.32 | orionshock | IMO the lead mage trainer in every major city should off your ports to the other citys/shat/badlands ect |
| 22:37.39 | Dashkal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9utW1w2tzeQ |
| 22:37.45 | KriLL3 | heh well druids share some of that... though ours aren't in pastels usually... |
| 22:38.09 | Dashkal | cute. wow gold farmers advertise on youtube now |
| 22:38.24 | KriLL3 | there are ads on youtube? |
| 22:38.30 | KriLL3 | didn't know that |
| 22:38.32 | Dashkal | I don't think that's the right video. meh |
| 22:38.33 | Groktar | hurf |
| 22:38.45 | Dashkal | I don't have ABP on this one. I'm doing web dev right now and don't want the hassle |
| 22:38.58 | Groktar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqO7zEWu0W0 |
| 22:39.06 | KriLL3 | I got ABP on everything, no hassle really |
| 22:39.06 | Groktar | told you exactly what to search for |
| 22:39.35 | Groktar | youtube ads tend to be pretty unobstrusive |
| 22:39.42 | Dashkal | Groktar: Sorry, missed your response. Danke |
| 22:39.53 | Dashkal | Yeah, that's exactly the one |
| 22:39.54 | Groktar | i only hate ads that move when i try to click them closed |
| 22:39.57 | Groktar | or make noise |
| 22:40.09 | Dashkal | Noisy ads should be punishable by shotgun to computer |
| 22:40.24 | Groktar | especially if they shout "HEY! OVER HERE!" |
| 22:47.01 | KriLL3 | I hate ads universally |
| 22:47.11 | Groktar | you hate a lot of things |
| 22:47.26 | Groktar | some things just aren't worth it, imo |
| 22:48.00 | KriLL3 | well I've been using AB(P) for years |
| 22:48.59 | KriLL3 | only ads I might tolerate are ones that are unobtrusive, but those were a minority when I started using AB |
| 22:49.19 | KriLL3 | big flashing stuff seems to have been the norm |
| 22:49.24 | Dashkal | I find most ads are pretty well behaved these days. At least on the sites I ferquent |
| 22:49.48 | Groktar | ye, i think most companies know awful ads = nobody comes to your site |
| 22:50.24 | Dashkal | So more and more I find leaving ABP off is acceptable. Esp since I'd rather the advertisers keep paying for my free ride :P |
| 22:50.41 | Groktar | ^ |
| 22:50.46 | Dashkal | If a site outright asks me to turn it off, I generally will. |
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| 23:01.36 | KriLL3 | a number of site I'm on doesn't seem to have gotten that memo, huge flashing/porn/etc stuff |
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| 23:55.10 | Groktar | http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/150857-1/Smooth_stairfall.gif |
| 23:56.59 | kandarz | Is there an addon that will mass promote/demote guild members to easily add new ranks in the middle of the set? |
| 23:57.07 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: what's that bug? ^^ |
| 23:57.23 | Groktar | kandarz: get coding! |
| 23:57.24 | Groktar | :D |
| 23:57.38 | kandarz | I was really hoping to avoid that |
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| 23:58.39 | Groktar | kk, i think i'm done with work for today |
| 23:58.45 | Groktar | hopefully they give me something to do tomorrow |
| 23:59.08 | Groktar | up till now it's been "here's a subversion account and a copy of the db. look inside, it's fun!" |
| 23:59.42 | Dashkal | A custom module to do that should be pretty quick to write. A general one you could upload to wowi would take quite awhile. |
