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| 00:17.33 | Repo | 89b2a06: Lich King (61): Cleanup Raging Spirit cooldown time setting |
| 00:17.34 | Repo | f310daf: Invoker: Add inlined expect for alert, arrow, raidicon, and announce. If the |
| 00:17.35 | Repo | b5bcb01: Validator: Fix "line number" output when a command line errors |
| 00:17.36 | Repo | 26c789c: Invoker: Fix typo event_attr_handles -> reg_attr_handles |
| 00:24.54 | Repo | 10grid2: 03Azethoth * r499 Options/GridDefaults.lua: (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 00:24.56 | Repo | Paladin Only (requires reset to see changes) |
| 00:24.58 | Repo | * side-top buff-FlashOfLight-mine |
| 00:24.58 | Repo | * icon-center buff-DivineIntervention |
| 00:24.59 | Repo | * corner-bottom-right debuff-Forbearance |
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| 00:48.44 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r32 ACP.lua: |
| 00:48.46 | Repo | solution suggested by dorn123 for fixing the misssing addons bug in the sort by name view. thanks a bunch. |
| 00:49.48 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03mysticalos * r69 Scorchio2.lua: |
| 00:49.51 | Repo | *Removed 118 lines of unused code since the combat log work arounds are no longer needed (Blizzard fixed the bug in 3.3.3) |
| 00:50.26 | Groktar | pounces |
| 00:52.55 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03mysticalos * r70 Scorchio2.lua: *Missed a spot in last, Now all of the hack is removed. |
| 00:53.51 | Megalon | rips |
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| 01:13.23 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r33 ACP.lua: |
| 01:13.39 | Repo | fix an issue with the last commit - make sure to use the special case names function when comparing names |
| 01:19.05 | Repo | 10acp: 03sylvanaar * r34 ACP.lua: |
| 01:19.07 | Repo | remove debug lines (bad sylv), and add special case for ShadowedUnitFrames |
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| 01:34.28 | sylvanaar | wow, i never knew this, but the case of an addon's name is determined by the folder, not by the TOC |
| 01:34.37 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 01:34.39 | sylvanaar | on windows |
| 01:34.49 | Shadowed | what do you mean |
| 01:34.58 | sylvanaar | if you use a folder acp for example |
| 01:35.06 | Shefki | The case of the name returned by GetAddOnInfo() |
| 01:35.10 | sylvanaar | you get the name "acp" |
| 01:35.17 | sylvanaar | if you use a folder "ACP" |
| 01:35.22 | sylvanaar | you get "ACP" |
| 01:35.27 | Shadowed | oh thta |
| 01:35.28 | Shadowed | that* |
| 01:36.46 | Megalon | that's intuitive |
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| 01:37.24 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 411882a / (3 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 01:37.26 | Repo | 411882a: Added/changed entries in the Changelog. |
| 01:37.27 | Repo | 5c5f9ef: In Player:MarkExclusions(): Don't check the recipe's KNOWN state until it has been determined that recipe is not nil. Fixes ticket #987. |
| 01:37.28 | Repo | 5ee010d: Merge branch 'master' of git.wowace.com:wow/arl/mainline |
| 01:37.29 | Repo | 80f8a50: Added limited vendors for six Cooking recipes. |
| 01:39.01 | sylvanaar | in either case the Toc is named "ACP" |
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| 01:40.32 | sylvanaar | acp\ACP.toc = "acp", ACP\ACP.toc = "ACP" =/ |
| 01:40.37 | Repo | 10fu-bar_tracker-fu: 03zhTW * r63 TrackerFuLocals.lua: zhTW and zhCN update |
| 01:41.33 | pompy | haha. |
| 01:42.40 | Torhal | Aye |
| 01:42.46 | sylvanaar | hey its a good way to make an addon that only works on windows |
| 01:43.14 | sylvanaar | id wager that acp\ACP.toc isnt valid on a mac |
| 01:43.19 | Torhal | sylvanaar: I believe pompy was referring to the fact that the translator's name is zhTW |
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| 01:48.40 | sylvanaar | i need to install wow on my mac |
| 01:49.06 | Shefki | sylvanaar: acp\ACP.toc is valid on a Mac. |
| 01:49.17 | sylvanaar | really |
| 01:49.18 | Shefki | Macs are case insensitive. |
| 01:49.25 | sylvanaar | they can be both |
| 01:49.27 | Shefki | Unless you go out of your way to make them sensitive. |
| 01:49.39 | Shefki | True, but most people don't run that way. |
| 01:53.04 | Repo | 10arl: 03Torhal 07master * 67b1aee Frame.lua: [+1 commit] In ListItem_OnClick(): Check to see if "children" is nil before checking how many entries it has. |
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| 01:56.35 | sylvanaar | hrm i didnt know that |
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| 01:59.07 | sylvanaar | i really want to install iphone os 4 |
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| 04:25.58 | quiescens | lols |
| 04:26.00 | quiescens | wild mushroom |
| 04:26.26 | quiescens | "grows a magical mushroom at the target location" |
| 04:29.00 | Zyn- | so if a rogue uses Smoke Bomb on a Wild Mushroom |
| 04:29.05 | Zyn- | everyone get stoned? |
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| 05:21.25 | Groktar | http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/543/rogueforumls1.jpg |
| 05:21.31 | Groktar | still awesome |
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| 05:52.05 | Repo | - Stat Breakdown: Show MP5 from Int will now show effects from Replenishment |
| 05:55.52 | Groktar | pounce |
| 05:58.37 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r99 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: - Fixed Replenishment: 1% of maximum mana per 5 sec |
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| 06:29.41 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth * r281 RatingBuster.toc: - #@no-lib-strip@ added to TOC |
| 06:35.05 | Silowyi | anyonw remember the name of that classic wow addon that used to run you back to your corpse? |
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| 06:39.10 | wink | hm, no |
| 06:39.32 | wink | something with waypoints? |
| 06:39.44 | wink | if it's the same that let you run alive |
| 06:39.53 | wink | with ctrl-mapclick for paths or so |
| 06:40.14 | wink | iirc it had waypoint or path(finder) in the name |
| 06:44.07 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth * r282 / (9 files in 1 directory): - Stat Summary: Added Expertise Rating Summary |
| 06:59.46 | Silowyi | hmm thanks wink |
| 07:00.23 | nevcairiel | autotravel? |
| 07:00.28 | Repo | 10hotcandy: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.5.3-12-g871408f / (2 files in 1 directory): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 07:00.30 | Repo | 871408f: Implemented LSM callbacks. |
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| 07:17.23 | Repo | 10pitbull4_aurabar: 03vaeyl * r15 PitBull4_AuraBar.lua: added support for buffs other than yours. |
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| 07:30.16 | Repo | 10pitbull4_aurabar: 03vaeyl 040.4 * r16 : Tagging as 0.4 |
| 07:32.42 | sztanpet | @describe pitbull4_aurabar |
| 07:32.43 | Repo | sztanpet: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4_aurabar/. PitBull4_AuraBar. Shows a countdown bar for the duration of Buffs (eg HoTs, DoTs) |
| 07:33.50 | sztanpet | hmpf, sounds good lets try it |
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| 07:43.16 | Alleidun | Morning. |
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| 07:57.35 | Alleidun | Anyother resources on ace modules besides the pages on wowace ? |
| 07:58.06 | Alleidun | Or is it more learning by failing :P |
| 07:58.48 | SunTsu | ace modules? |
| 07:59.08 | Alleidun | yearh :) |
| 07:59.45 | Alleidun | addon:EnableModule(name) <- Module :P |
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| 08:00.13 | Alleidun | Basically so you can enable disable parts of an addon with ace :) |
| 08:00.49 | SunTsu | Yeah, I know, I was confused, think about modules to ace |
| 08:00.57 | SunTsu | thinking even |
| 08:01.56 | Alleidun | aah yearh, sorry about that :) I was more thinking about the part of AceAddon where you can build modules to an addon. I just don't see the pages on wowace to be resourceful enough. |
| 08:02.03 | SunTsu | You probably want to read some source code that uses the module facility |
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| 08:02.42 | Alleidun | I thought so :P learning by failing :D |
| 08:02.56 | orionshock | what where u wanting to do with it? |
| 08:03.07 | SunTsu | No, learning by reading code, which is quite common - or asking specific questions around here |
| 08:04.57 | Alleidun | I am building a raid leader helper which basically shows a players average gear, his role in the raid based on talent spec and in some cases gear. Currently I'm building a database of all available talent specs on EJ forums, which it will loop through and give a match percentage of a given player. But this functionality I want to be a module as it is quite heavy :) |
| 08:05.28 | nevcairiel | modules in Ace3 are basically just addons within addons, they dont behave in any special way |
| 08:05.52 | orionshock | Alleidun, eh... that's a heavy request of the client there.... |
| 08:06.21 | orionshock | lot of static - rarely used data |
| 08:06.40 | Alleidun | That's why I want it to be a module LoD :) |
| 08:07.07 | Alleidun | I don't want it to be turned on by default as it is heavy. |
| 08:07.09 | orionshock | better off as a "separate addon that looks like a module" |
| 08:07.40 | Alleidun | Like BonusScanner is to GearScore? |
| 08:07.50 | orionshock | don't use either, can't say |
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| 08:08.36 | Alleidun | Well if you install GearScore, BonusScanner will come in a seperate folder. But doing it that way it will load per default unless the person installing it will disable it in the character select screen. |
| 08:09.16 | orionshock | Alleidun, you've highlighted how LoD modules work. |
| 08:09.54 | Torhal | Alleidun: ## LoadOnDemand: 1 |
| 08:10.13 | Alleidun | haha yearh but I haven't programmed them with Ace tho, I don't feel like I have an understanding of how they function in lua :S |
| 08:10.14 | Torhal | Or ## DefaultState: disabled |
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| 08:10.59 | orionshock | the Ace3 - Addon Module system as nevcairiel explained, is just another addon object like the main one. bigest difference is that it loads, init's and OnEnable's after the core part of the addon. |
| 08:12.28 | Alleidun | allrighty, will it load ALL variables into the game or is there anyway to make it only load the variables on command. As stated above lot of static data only used for a couple of minutes. Any way to only make it load those tables into the game on request ? |
| 08:12.42 | orionshock | if you want an example of how the module system "works" take a look at Guild Craft and SickOfClickingDailies, (im sure there are others, but those are my addons :) they both use the module system, but there isn't alot of bennifit to them outside of how they handle |
| 08:13.22 | orionshock | Alleidun, http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#addon |
| 08:13.35 | Alleidun | Already using that orionshock, I have jn's book ;) |
| 08:14.03 | orionshock | if you have an addon marked as LoD then when you need it, have your core addon load the addon stub via the api |
| 08:16.22 | Alleidun | Just to clarify I understand you correctly. If I make the EJ calculator a module and LoD + the databases LoD, I can enable the calculator and only use the database module per request and only then will it load all the static into the game ? |
| 08:16.39 | orionshock | yep |
| 08:17.14 | Alleidun | That's good. So after I use the databases I just disable them and do a gc() |
| 08:18.18 | orionshock | use of the word "module" is a misnomer really. the "module" part of the addon is in fact just-another-addon in it's own right, it just has a dependency on the "core addon". |
| 08:18.23 | orionshock | Alleidun, no point |
| 08:18.47 | orionshock | and it dosn't quite work that way... |
| 08:19.12 | orionshock | you could just nil out the references to all the data loaded, but you'd have to then reload your UI if you wanted to use the database again |
| 08:20.11 | Torhal | And calling the GC facility manually is a bad idea unless you really know what you're doing. |
| 08:20.36 | Alleidun | Hmm |
| 08:20.43 | Torhal | Lua does garbage collection incrementally and regular intervals, so anything you leav dangling will be picked up. |
| 08:20.52 | Torhal | s/and/at/ |
| 08:21.05 | Alleidun | And calling it will only use more resources from the client. |
| 08:21.19 | Torhal | CPU, mostly |
| 08:21.26 | Torhal | It'll grab it all at once. |
| 08:21.38 | Torhal | Which is why the incremental collection was introduced in Lua 5.1 |
| 08:21.39 | orionshock | 9/10 times i've manually called a GC it hangs the client for about a second |
| 08:22.30 | Alleidun | yearh *hides* I still use FuBar and performancefu which does gc on click. I know it hangs the system for a random number of milliseconds |
| 08:23.36 | orionshock | tags Alleidun with florescent paint |
| 08:23.42 | Alleidun | haha |
| 08:24.06 | Alleidun | well it works for me and I'm not much for change, so untill it completely brakes I'll continue to use it |
| 08:24.15 | Torhal | Alleidun: It's the user's choice with PerformanceFu :) |
| 08:24.59 | orionshock | Alleidun, once you go Bazooka you never go back :) |
| 08:25.23 | Alleidun | I've tried it orion ;) |
| 08:25.30 | Torhal | Aye - if you want to keep the FuBar look/feel but use LDB, Bazooka is the way to go. |
| 08:26.04 | Alleidun | I might take a look at it then :) |
| 08:26.22 | Alleidun | anyways, just did a character count on the deathknight spec database. 3813 characters :S |
| 08:26.37 | orionshock | ah the LDB revolution... now that was a very interesting thread on the forums, funny thing is that i was right :) |
| 08:26.59 | Shefki | Right about what? |
| 08:27.13 | orionshock | nothing... just nothing |
| 08:27.19 | Alleidun | There's another addon for LDB, what's its name ? |
| 08:27.32 | Torhal | There are quite a few LDB displays, Alleidun |
| 08:27.48 | orionshock | Shefki, that was a time in my life i'd rather forget about, back when i was young, dumb and quite stupid. |
| 08:27.52 | Torhal | Fortress, StatBlockCore, CandyBars, ButtonBin |
| 08:28.00 | Torhal | NinjaPanel... |
| 08:28.20 | Torhal | Alleidun: http://wiki.github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/addons-using-ldb |
| 08:28.45 | Torhal | Err, ChocolateBar, CandyBars is something else entirely |
| 08:28.59 | Alleidun | aah Fortress was it. tried that once, didn't like it :P |
| 08:29.07 | Torhal | Get Bazooka. |
| 08:29.55 | Torhal | I used to use DockingStation because it was the closest to FuBar, but it has severe issues with tooltips and bazooka just flat out nailed it for me. |
| 08:29.58 | quiescens | boom~ |
| 08:30.09 | Torhal | quiescens: Don't do that. You'll frighten the children. |
| 08:30.17 | orionshock | Fortress and StatBlocks are first runs that break from the classic Bar Design. ChocolateBar and Bazooka are more like Fubar-"The way it was supposed to be" ones. |
| 08:30.18 | Alleidun | Hmm will look into it then :D |
| 08:31.39 | SunTsu | orionshock: the one and only, the holy way of FuBar and TitanPanel? |
| 08:32.05 | Alleidun | As we have wowlua do to in-game programming, are there any addons that looks at leaks in code in regards of memory or cpu hogs ? |
| 08:32.25 | orionshock | well it's a design that works... one can hardly argue with success. |
| 08:32.42 | Alleidun | Or is it just a matter of remembering to do variable = nil after using it, and make sure that they're all local if only used in a function and so on ? |
| 08:32.57 | Shefki | "When is a fix for 3.3.3 coming? I can't stand my unit frame bugging out :(" |
| 08:33.01 | Arrowmaster | design works, how most authors decided to use it (the fucking little buttons to do nothing but open a config window) failed |
| 08:33.12 | Shefki | " PitBull Unit Frames 4.0 v4.0.0-beta9 Beta 3.3.0 11,187 3/23/2010 " |
| 08:33.19 | Shefki | %^$^%$%^$^%$ |
| 08:33.43 | Arrowmaster | only 11k? |
| 08:33.52 | Shefki | "Patch 3.3.3 23 March 2010 " |
| 08:33.53 | Wobin | tries to parse the regex |
| 08:34.01 | orionshock | Alleidun, nothing in game can inspect code that is running. however sylvanaar has some out-of game stuff that can analyze code. |
| 08:34.15 | orionshock | few ppl here might have that code actually |
| 08:34.18 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: edit the file on wowace to say 3.3.3 instead of 3.3.0? |
| 08:34.45 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Why does it matter, the guy obviously didn't even try. |
| 08:34.57 | Arrowmaster | is there a release version? |
| 08:35.11 | Shefki | There's no realease version of PB4. |
| 08:35.14 | Shefki | Just betas. |
| 08:35.18 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 08:35.26 | Arrowmaster | fucking idiots |
| 08:35.36 | Alleidun | hmm is that some code you can get you're hands on perhaps orionshock? |
| 08:36.17 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.23 | Arrowmaster | somebody delete this account http://wow.curse.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=3283317 |
| 08:36.25 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.37 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: My response "When are you going to update?" |
| 08:36.59 | Shefki | Anyway I edited it to say 3.3.3 on wowace now on the last beta tag. |
| 08:37.15 | Arrowmaster | atleast you dont have to put up with this http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/?status=+ |
| 08:38.11 | Torhal | Alleidun: http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ |
| 08:39.06 | Alleidun | Thanks a bunch Torhal. |
| 08:39.10 | Torhal | np |
| 08:39.19 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pit-bull/tickets/ |
| 08:40.01 | Torhal | I don't even write a UnitFrame AddOn and I want to punch people when I see "Focus doesn't work" |
| 08:40.15 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: mark 106 as invalid since its not a bug |
| 08:40.18 | Repo | 10hotcandy: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 1.5.3-13-g1615021 HotCandy.toc: [+1 commit] Add SharedMedia as OptionalDep |
| 08:40.19 | Shefki | Ticket #110 is a classic. |
| 08:40.24 | orionshock | Arrowmaster, http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/#c125 |
| 08:40.28 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I don't bother to touch the tickets. |
| 08:40.39 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: That's a should be a big hint to them that I don't care. |
| 08:42.18 | Shefki | Besides if I close it, someone will just make another one. |
| 08:42.36 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: deleted |
| 08:42.36 | nevcairiel | If you don't close it, someone will still just make another one |
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| 08:42.57 | Shefki | We finally got rid of them on PB4 by removing the damn menu and replacing it with a menu item that says "Type /focus to Set Focus" |
| 08:43.25 | orionshock | Arrowmaster, can't you set the status on Cart2 to "Abandoned" or something that seriously removes it from everywhere? |
| 08:43.35 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:43.41 | Arrowmaster | if i do that i stop getting points |
| 08:43.48 | Torhal | orionshock: Why would he do that when he still gets twelve billion points from iot until it dies? |
| 08:43.53 | orionshock | ~fail Arrowmaster |
| 08:43.54 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Arrowmaster. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:44.05 | Arrowmaster | i fucking get points from LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 still |
| 08:44.12 | nevcairiel | i dont get points, i can set it to abandoned |
| 08:44.18 | Torhal | Haha |
| 08:44.18 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 08:44.22 | Arrowmaster | ill just change it back |
| 08:44.28 | orionshock | LOL |
| 08:44.45 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Holy shit: http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/237-if-ckknight-or-arrowmaster-do-not-want-to-support-any/ |
| 08:44.51 | Shefki | Like holy shit. |
| 08:44.58 | orionshock | Arrowmaster, that's just wrong.. you leach points from the pool |
| 08:45.14 | Arrowmaster | for all the work i did before the pool existed |
| 08:45.14 | Shefki | orionshock: Meh he deserves them. |
| 08:45.16 | Torhal | Leech? If people are still using it... |
| 08:45.44 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: i already voted on that one |
| 08:45.50 | Shefki | voted. lol |
| 08:45.58 | Shefki | I would have just closed it as invalid. |
| 08:46.03 | Shefki | It's not even about the damn software. |
| 08:46.42 | Shefki | lol at how big the text is now. |
| 08:46.55 | Arrowmaster | i did that the other week |
| 08:47.26 | nevcairiel | its too big, doesnt fit in the box anymore |
| 08:47.29 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: fix my moderator access on curse.com so I can actually ban the spammers. |
| 08:47.42 | Arrowmaster | you have more access on curse.com than i do |
| 08:47.45 | Shefki | I do? |
| 08:47.50 | Arrowmaster | ive got nothing |
| 08:47.55 | Shefki | Aren't you staff? |
| 08:47.58 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:48.06 | Shefki | Bahh |
| 08:48.14 | Shefki | I need to pester ckknight. |
| 08:48.21 | Arrowmaster | i still need to send in a W-9 too so i can get my $1500 |
| 08:48.23 | Shefki | I have mod status, I can delete comments, but I can't ban the damn spammers. |
| 08:48.28 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Same. |
| 08:49.16 | nevcairiel | I should ask Kael if keeping a clearly abandoned addon on release just to get points is "gaming the system". Its clearly not nice to users :d |
| 08:50.01 | Shefki | I just let mine fall off. |
| 08:51.21 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i tried to do that over a year and a half ago and they wouldnt let me change the status on cartographer to something that would remove it from curse.com because that was considered bad because then the users would just be confused and not know where to get it from |
| 08:51.47 | nevcairiel | Better confused users then users that get a broken addon |
| 08:52.15 | Arrowmaster | no, because then people start posting it on other sites and such |
| 08:52.35 | nevcairiel | who cares about other sites |
| 08:52.50 | Arrowmaster | if i can keep them all coming to the same place i can just delete the posts of people trying to list 'fixed' versions |
| 08:52.50 | nevcairiel | the sane ones will know it and dont allow it |
| 08:53.09 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: by other sites i mean crap like rapidshare |
| 08:53.29 | nevcairiel | it should at least be taken out of the CC somehow |
| 08:53.38 | nevcairiel | people dont read descriptions in there |
| 08:54.46 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: still they would be confused that it's not there any longe, according to that way of thought |
| 08:54.48 | Arrowmaster | if i delete all the files it gets pulled from the site too, there is no way i know of to just remove it from the client |
| 08:55.20 | nevcairiel | its broken, it doesnt matter if its not there anymore :P |
| 08:55.30 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I remmeber someone putting up a bogus version with just a text file telling people not to use it anymore to get around that. |
| 08:55.42 | Shefki | Of course then people flip out when it deletes their addon. But whatever. |
| 08:56.01 | Arrowmaster | i can guarantee you that if it was possible to pull cartographer from the curse client only, as soon as i did it i would get people asking me to add it back |
| 08:56.02 | SunTsu | rename it to "the addon formerly known as broken cartographer" *ducks and runs away* |
| 08:56.12 | Shefki | BTW lol at this Perl code: "$x = ( $x > 1 ) ? $x-- : 0; |
| 08:56.19 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: you care what people say? :D |
| 08:56.39 | Arrowmaster | no but they annoy me when they do it repeatedly |
| 08:56.46 | nevcairiel | I so hope cataclysm gives us a incompatible addon flag |
| 08:56.47 | Torhal | Shefki: That's just...odd logic |
| 08:56.55 | SunTsu | Shefki: reading some sort of obfuscated perl contest? ;) |
| 08:57.03 | Shefki | SunTsu: No |
| 08:57.15 | Pucmel | hmm obfuscated ? |
| 08:57.22 | Torhal | Conditional expression which has the chance for either side to be 0 |
| 08:57.26 | nevcairiel | dont have to say obfuscated perl |
| 08:57.32 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Hah |
| 08:57.32 | Shefki | Torhal: That's not the worst part. |
| 08:57.34 | nevcairiel | thats implied. |
| 08:57.38 | Shefki | $x-- is a post decrement. |
| 08:57.43 | Torhal | Oh |
| 08:57.44 | Shefki | So $x = $x |
| 08:57.45 | Torhal | LOL |
| 08:57.48 | Pucmel | not obfuscated at all |
| 08:57.56 | Torhal | Instead of --$x |
| 08:58.00 | Shefki | Right. |
| 08:58.02 | Arrowmaster | if they would have made everything under 30000 show as incompatible in wrath like they did in tbc with everything below 20000, we wouldnt be in this situation, cart would have just died then |
| 08:58.18 | nevcairiel | someone would've figured out to just bump the .toc |
| 08:58.27 | nevcairiel | you know those silly people that wanted to fix cart all the time |
| 08:58.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i wouldnt have let them do it to the repo |
| 08:58.51 | Shefki | I have to admit some of the blame for this. |
| 08:58.56 | Shefki | I kept Rock functioning. |
| 08:59.11 | Alleidun | Is there any ETA on name change on curse ? |
| 08:59.17 | nevcairiel | i still wonder how many people will be annoyed if suddenly ace2 stops working for cataclysm |
| 08:59.27 | SunTsu | throws huge rocks onto Shefki |
| 08:59.44 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Probably a lot isn't Grid still Ace2? |
| 08:59.47 | Megalon | throws Fisker at SunTsu |
| 09:00.38 | Shefki | Yup still Ace2. |
| 09:00.46 | nevcairiel | sadly a framework is hard to kill, not much code that interfaces with WoW specific stuff |
| 09:00.53 | SunTsu | volleys Fisker back at Megalon |
| 09:01.06 | nevcairiel | i still think that Grid is deprecated and should be replaced already |
| 09:01.14 | Torhal | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace2/reverse-relationships/ :D |
| 09:01.20 | Shefki | nevcairiel: Good luck with that. |
| 09:01.21 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: by what? |
| 09:01.28 | Arrowmaster | remember those asshats that pissed me off when they kept trying to patch cart right after wrath and ckk had to stop me from site banning them? if anything under 30000 was incompatible i would have just told them 'sure patch it all you want but you are not allowed to touch the toc until you can tell me with 100% assurance that every single line of code is working properly with the new patch' and watched the |
| 09:01.29 | nevcairiel | what do i care by what |
| 09:01.34 | Arrowmaster | m run like hell |
| 09:01.34 | nevcairiel | but it uses concepts 3 years old |
| 09:01.38 | Shefki | nevcairiel: There's a lot of other options actually. |
| 09:01.42 | Arrowmaster | Ace2 is broken |
| 09:01.49 | Arrowmaster | currently |
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| 09:02.00 | nevcairiel | You can rebuild what Grid does with SUF and probably PitBull too |
| 09:02.14 | Shefki | Ace that oUF version of grid. |
| 09:02.17 | Shefki | And* |
| 09:02.27 | Arrowmaster | or at least i know AceComm-2.0 is broken and unfixable |
| 09:02.28 | Torhal | Freudian slip! |
| 09:02.38 | nevcairiel | I should really write that raidframes with oUF i wanted to do |
| 09:02.41 | nevcairiel | but lazyness |
| 09:02.43 | nevcairiel | ~lazyness |
| 09:02.58 | nevcairiel | i mess up the spelling everytime |
| 09:03.06 | nevcairiel | ~laziness |
| 09:03.07 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 09:03.07 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: yeah, you have to rebuild it yourself, which is the point. grid already is so much like grid it hurts ;) |
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| 09:03.25 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I don't think very many addons that use AceComm are still on Ace2. |
| 09:03.45 | Shefki | PallyPower probably is one of the few. |
| 09:03.54 | nevcairiel | Not many addons still use Ace2 |
| 09:03.56 | nevcairiel | I have none left |
| 09:04.00 | Pucmel | print grep($_=pack("c",hex($_)),unpack("A2"x 25,"4a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c206861636b65722 |
| 09:04.03 | Pucmel | c")) |
| 09:04.03 | Shefki | I still have one. |
| 09:04.08 | Arrowmaster | well its entire usage of JoinChannelByName() is broken |
| 09:04.19 | Arrowmaster | and can not be fixed |
| 09:04.26 | nevcairiel | i just hijacked and converted the addons i had =P |
| 09:04.37 | Shefki | Pucmel: diaf for using grep for a side effect. |
| 09:08.29 | Shefki | lol: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24261056964&sid=1 |
| 09:08.35 | Shefki | Wonder what possessed them to do this. |
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| 09:11.31 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: we all know the answer to that, all the good devs are off working on their new secret project so only the idiots are left behind |
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| 09:13.00 | nevcairiel | Its probably optimizations, same reason for the texture breakage |
| 09:13.07 | nevcairiel | optimizing the ui drawing/handling |
| 09:15.04 | Arrowmaster | but you would assume that if the guys that had actually given us those things like the ADDON_LOADED event, LoadAddOn(), and ## LoadWith: were around they would have realized to test them before making a change like that |
| 09:16.13 | Arrowmaster | gona watch SGU now |
| 09:16.21 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Hell you'd think they'd test their own status bar code. |
| 09:16.27 | Shefki | But that obviously didn't happen. |
| 09:16.47 | Arrowmaster | it didnt? |
| 09:16.58 | Shefki | StatusBar frames are broken in 3.3.3 |
| 09:17.01 | Arrowmaster | quit over a year ago |
| 09:17.07 | Shefki | They don't tile the texture right. |
| 09:17.10 | Shefki | Even on the default UI. |
| 09:17.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:17.30 | Shefki | And they made the change to the texture tiling just for the status bars. |
| 09:18.05 | Shefki | Now admittingly the default UI texture the tiling problem isn't very glaring. |
| 09:18.13 | Shefki | But it is there. |
| 09:18.59 | Shefki | And they told us about the texture tiling stuff in the most obscure way that I don't think anyone actually bothered to try it until 3.3.3 was released. |
| 09:19.20 | Megalon | testing is for the weak |
| 09:26.26 | Aeyan | I should probably chain heroics on my healer for a while and drill myself in using a Grid alternative |
| 09:26.37 | Aeyan | It's my very last Ace2 holdout and I only use it on my priest |
| 09:27.11 | Aeyan | I'm always afraid to bring a replacement to a real raid though and hurt my performance when it matters |
| 09:27.37 | Aeyan | Actually, tomorrow I should finish porting GridStatusRaidDebuffs to oUF_freebgrid |
| 09:27.40 | Aeyan | That'd go a long way |
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| 09:37.09 | Repo | 120c7ef: Added "findglobals" to the "tools-used" section of the .pkgmeta |
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| 10:52.13 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r282 LibPeriodicTable-3.1-InstanceLoot (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 10:52.15 | Repo | Undo ignorant changes. For the love of god, stay out of here if you do not know what you are doing. This means YOU "s80953241" |
| 10:53.03 | haste | like people will read commit messages on wowace |
| 10:53.16 | nevcairiel | that guy is banned anyway |
| 10:53.36 | haste | IRC and changelogs are so to say the only place you can read them |
| 10:53.40 | haste | without checking out the repo |
| 11:02.08 | industrial | and I also can't see howmany times my addon was downloaded! *poke poke* |
| 11:02.14 | Shefki | I ready changelogs on stuff I commit to. /shrug |
| 11:02.22 | industrial | since I dont have any comments I'm thinking 0. |
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| 11:03.12 | Shefki | industrial: curse download counts lag behind real time. |
| 11:03.34 | industrial | I only have them on wowace though |
| 11:03.58 | Shefki | industrial: Don't think wowace shows displays download counts at all. |
| 11:04.19 | industrial | Yes, that's my point ;p |
| 11:05.09 | nevcairiel | it does |
| 11:05.39 | Shefki | Ohh I guess on individual downloads. |
| 11:05.45 | nevcairiel | like, idChat has 22 downloads |
| 11:05.51 | nevcairiel | on its only file |
| 11:05.55 | industrial | ah |
| 11:06.01 | industrial | <- a little slow |
| 11:06.27 | nevcairiel | not sure if thats just downloads directly from wowace or curse stuff too |
| 11:07.01 | nevcairiel | industrial: also, there is no "only on wowace" :P |
| 11:07.06 | nevcairiel | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/idchat.aspx |
| 11:07.44 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: banned how many times? |
| 11:07.44 | nevcairiel | wonder if we can ask the curse folks to blacklist cartographer from the "most popular addons" list |
| 11:08.04 | nevcairiel | 3 i think |
| 11:08.15 | nevcairiel | didnt see him come back yet |
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| 11:25.06 | Repo | Ignoring all tradeskill results. These are broken and need to be fixed by authors of mods using them. |
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| 11:33.25 | yoshimo | nevcairiel , people still dont get it that cartographer is "dead"? ;) |
| 11:33.57 | nevcairiel | not if it still lurks around in the most popular addons list |
| 11:38.35 | yoshimo | well, i think the tag of most popular is justified , but--- |
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| 12:11.27 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ratingbuster-alwaysbuffed/. RatingBuster AlwaysBuffed. Whitetooth (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 12:15.33 | Mikk | YES |
| 12:16.21 | Mikk | bloody finally :P |
| 12:16.26 | sbu | huh? :o |
| 12:16.34 | Mikk | "RatingBuster AlwaysBuffed" |
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| 15:31.50 | Repo | 10broker-calendar: 03CrazyBenny * r35 calendar.lua: fixed typos |
| 15:32.05 | denali | Has Chocolatebar been pulled from Curse? |
| 15:33.38 | Megalon | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/chocolatebar.aspx |
| 15:34.03 | Megalon | if you tried the search on curse.com, that never ever found anything :o |
| 15:34.06 | denali | Megalon: Thanks. I wonder why it didn't come up when I used the seach box? |
| 15:34.18 | denali | It used to work for me. *shrug* |
| 15:35.09 | denali | Ah well, I'm gonna add it to my favorites on Curse. That solves the problem permanently. :D |
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| 16:04.47 | Repo | 10broker-calendar: 03CrazyBenny * r36 calendar.lua: small tweak |
| 16:05.08 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: nazi gnome tries to whisper offline players :( |
| 16:07.06 | Megalon | they also got voted by dead people |
| 16:07.12 | Megalon | that's just how the nazis roll! |
| 16:07.30 | Stanzilla | well it also whispers people not in the instance etc |
| 16:08.02 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03ckknight 07master * v4.0.0-beta9-16-g00f52d4 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Make class orderings customizeable and also rely on Blizz's standard CLASS_SORT_ORDER for the default. |
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| 16:25.29 | Gnarfoz | @project loremaster |
| 16:25.30 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/loremaster/. Loremaster. Game: WoW. jaffa0 (Manager/Author), Blubibulga (Translator). Updated: 12 minutes ago. Tickets: 2/6 |
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| 16:45.03 | kapowaz | anyone know if it's possible to use Quartz 3 to show the times of selfbuffs, e.g. Slice n Dice? |
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| 18:06.44 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/gridstatusphysicalmitigation/. GridStatusPhysicalMitigation. curttasker (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
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| 20:00.15 | Superfly_ | ~wowalert |
| 20:00.16 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 20:22.03 | Pneumatus | i hear the login server is busy |
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| 20:30.00 | yoshimo | yes, it is, destroyed our icc10 raid;) |
| 20:31.27 | Pneumatus | we've got 2 people missing in our 25 so far :< |
| 20:31.57 | sbu | Pneumatus: EU? |
| 20:32.01 | Pneumatus | yah |
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| 20:46.28 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r197 Options/Options.lua: |
| 20:46.30 | Repo | -fix the anchor not showing up, self != smd in that function... |
| 20:54.40 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia * r198 Options/Options.lua: -minor tweak |
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| 21:12.32 | koaschten | we lost 2 people too |
| 21:12.42 | koaschten | but at least Schlag den Raab is nice to watch today |
| 21:12.44 | koaschten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKXPSjtIcik |
| 21:17.41 | SunTsu | Yeah, I just turned it on, because I heard that Raab is wounded |
| 21:18.45 | SunTsu | but he does not appear to be in pain enough, so I surely will turn it off again |
| 21:20.04 | koaschten | just loop the youtube on 720p ;) |
| 21:21.10 | SunTsu | nah, it sounded more severely than it really was, and the only reason to watch Schlag den Raab for me is to see Raab get hurt badly |
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| 21:26.12 | kapowaz | Hi there. Can anybody point me in the direction of a resource for creating ButtonFacade skins? |
| 21:26.16 | kapowaz | a template etc? |
| 21:27.13 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r498 modules/TargetHealth.lua: |
| 21:27.15 | Repo | - added ArcHUD clickable area fixes to the target health bar as well |
| 21:28.40 | yoshimo | hehe, you dont like him either? |
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| 21:30.41 | SunTsu | yoshimo: I wouldn't put it that way, feel for him like Fisker does for the whole world ;) |
| 21:31.03 | koaschten | the doc just told he shouldnt do high jump |
| 21:31.04 | SunTsu | RAAAAAAAAGE! ;) |
| 21:31.11 | koaschten | 10 points defaulted |
| 21:31.13 | koaschten | :X |
| 21:31.39 | SunTsu | If I was asked he should quit TV after an accident like that ;) |
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| 21:32.56 | Pneumatus | hmm, is there a 'generic' FCFS addon around, like clcret but with the ability to put whatever spells in you want? |
| 21:33.05 | kapowaz | I'm trying to download http://www.wowace.com/addons/buttonfacade_developer/ but it looks like it's not available for download? |
| 21:33.20 | koaschten | Pneumatus needtoknow? |
| 21:33.41 | Pneumatus | that's not an FCFS addon |
| 21:34.02 | koaschten | first come first serve? |
| 21:34.06 | koaschten | what use is that? ;) |
| 21:34.15 | kapowaz | anyone? :| |
| 21:34.38 | Pneumatus | well, clcret isn't really FCFS, its priority driven |
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| 21:36.08 | LexSfX | FCFS and priority-driven go hand-in-hand. they are separate elements of the same rotation. |
| 21:36.19 | LexSfX | priorities are meant to resolve gcd clashes. |
| 21:36.32 | Pneumatus | true |
| 21:36.34 | LexSfX | in the FCFS idea. |
| 21:36.43 | LexSfX | which clcret does use |
| 21:36.55 | yoshimo | is there something like clcret for dks? |
| 21:37.09 | koaschten | only other addon i know of is feral by night |
| 21:37.27 | Pneumatus | arguably the idea would work for spriests as well |
| 21:37.30 | koaschten | and probably fortex (which still requires you to know what to press) |
| 21:37.43 | koaschten | as it shows only whats coming up |
| 21:38.41 | kapowaz | guys? can anybody assist me with my query? I'm trying to get access to the button facade layer test repo |
| 21:38.49 | kapowaz | or just a downloadable example |
| 21:38.59 | koaschten | if we knew, we had told you dude. |
| 21:39.02 | Pneumatus | open the repo in an SVN browser |
| 21:39.20 | kapowaz | the page on wowace.com redirects me |
| 21:39.23 | Pneumatus | infact, its empty |
| 21:39.24 | Pneumatus | so |
| 21:39.32 | kapowaz | yeah, I noticed |
| 21:39.40 | kapowaz | on this page: http://www.wowace.com/addons/buttonfacade/pages/skin-list/ |
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| 21:39.48 | kapowaz | it has a link to what it calls a Layer Test: http://www.wowace.com/projects/buttonfacade_layertest |
| 21:39.55 | kapowaz | but when you visit that link, it redirects you |
| 21:39.58 | kapowaz | to http://www.wowace.com/addons/buttonfacade_developer/ |
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| 21:40.08 | Pneumatus | project is abandoned, repository never got committed to |
| 21:40.12 | kapowaz | bah |
| 21:40.22 | kapowaz | but there are all those other buttonfacade skins? |
| 21:40.31 | kapowaz | did they do it without ever using the sample? |
| 21:41.34 | LexSfX | all those skins can be used as samples, can't they? |
| 21:42.20 | LexSfX | you could just open one up and edit it with your graphics |
| 21:42.28 | kapowaz | yeah, I'll give that a go |
| 21:42.39 | kapowaz | I just preferred to start with something where it's obvious what each layer does |
| 21:42.43 | kapowaz | guess I'll have to just experiment :) |
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| 21:45.33 | kapowaz | bah, login servers are down |
| 21:46.53 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: alright, yeah I'll add in some checks for that |
| 21:47.02 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 21:47.30 | vhaarr | how long has the login server been down? |
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| 21:49.07 | kapowaz | okay, I've never made an addon before. I'm just looking at the .toc file for another skin... which of these things do I actually need to reproduce? |
| 21:49.15 | kapowaz | what's the X-WoWI-ID ? |
| 21:49.19 | kapowaz | is that wowinterface.com ? |
| 21:49.54 | koaschten | i admit i never have looked at buttonfacade |
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| 21:50.07 | koaschten | but i would expect the skins to reside inside the bf folder |
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| 21:50.19 | koaschten | and it will just iterate over them |
| 21:50.23 | kapowaz | nah, they have to be installed as addons |
| 21:50.26 | koaschten | or have a list of skins in its config |
| 21:50.33 | kapowaz | since they're installed separately |
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| 21:50.42 | kapowaz | you can download them as addons from curse/wowinterface etc. |
| 21:52.19 | koaschten | which doesnt change a thing, because they have to register with bf then and you basically should take an existing skin and just exchange the textures |
| 21:52.22 | koaschten | and it should work |
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| 21:53.34 | kapowaz | sure, but there's a .toc file in the directory full of details specific to that skin |
| 21:53.52 | kapowaz | I just want to make sure I change all the things that need to change so that it doesn't end up conflicting or something |
| 21:56.01 | vhaarr | ignore all properties that start with X_ |
| 21:56.02 | vhaarr | X- |
| 21:56.17 | vhaarr | or simply remove them |
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| 21:56.22 | kapowaz | cool |
| 21:56.27 | kapowaz | I figured that would be the case |
| 21:56.36 | kapowaz | much like http headers etc. |
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| 22:34.50 | Repo | 10skadahealabsorbs: 03curttasker * r3 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 22:34.51 | Repo | Properly logs absorbs as their own individual spell categories |
| 22:35.52 | Repo | 10skadahealabsorbs: 03curttasker 04b0.5 * r4 : |
| 22:35.54 | Repo | Now properly logs absorbs as their own individual spell categories |
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| 22:44.54 | ilovemrdoe | ~wowalert |
| 22:44.55 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 22:56.15 | kapowaz | do I understand correctly that there is a texture format I can use which provides multiple sets of the same texture at different resolutions? |
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| 22:56.53 | nevcairiel | not that i know of, and why would you even need that for a UI? |
| 22:57.24 | nevcairiel | i guess the dxt textures could support that, but not sure if they do |
| 22:57.56 | kapowaz | just so that you can accurately draw lines etc. without relying on texture resizing/filtering |
| 22:58.21 | nevcairiel | use different textures :d |
| 22:58.32 | kapowaz | if for example I have to provide a button graphic at 64x64 size, then once it's scaled down to 16x16, it'll be a bit of a blurry mess |
| 22:58.42 | kapowaz | aha |
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| 22:58.55 | kapowaz | not that I'd have a clue how you define that |
| 22:59.17 | nevcairiel | you dont, you manually change textures if you're worried about that stuff |
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| 22:59.48 | kapowaz | no I mean, defining multiple resolution graphics |
| 22:59.55 | kapowaz | within the ButtonFacade skin |
| 23:00.13 | kapowaz | I can follow what's here already pretty easily to provide a single image at a given resolution |
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| 23:00.32 | kapowaz | I've no idea how I'd tell it âthis is the graphic to use for 16x16, this is the graphic to use for 32x32â etc. |
| 23:00.56 | nevcairiel | you cant, you have to manually change it |
| 23:01.11 | kapowaz | mmm |
| 23:01.16 | kapowaz | sounds like pain. |
| 23:01.24 | kapowaz | especially for a beginner like myself |
| 23:02.54 | nevcairiel | did you actually try if it looks so bad when the game resizes your texture? usually it looks pretty good |
| 23:03.32 | kapowaz | not yet... login servers are down so I can't even try it out yet :( |
| 23:03.44 | kapowaz | but I've seen what a difference this particular button looks like from trying it in other contexts |
| 23:04.09 | kapowaz | I've manually nudged the path I use to define the border in Photoshop by sub-pixel by sub-pixel until it looked nice and accurate |
| 23:04.19 | kapowaz | when it was off by a bit the border was blurry |
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| 23:11.38 | Torhal | Meh. Why do people worry about shit before they even see if it's a problem? :) |
| 23:20.58 | ckknight | Torhal: premature optimization |
| 23:21.31 | Torhal | ckknight: It's bad when a developer does it, so what is it when an end-user does it? :) |
| 23:21.44 | ckknight | stupid |
| 23:21.48 | Torhal | cackles. |
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| 23:26.36 | kapowaz | what, because I don't want my graphics to look like toss I'm prematurely optimising? |
| 23:26.49 | kapowaz | that's the problem with coders. they never think about how things actually look. |
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| 23:28.55 | Torhal | Sure they do. After they see if they're messed up or not :) |
| 23:29.16 | kapowaz | I've seen what this particular graphic looks like when it's scaled arbitrarily |
| 23:29.23 | Torhal | Ah |
| 23:29.28 | kapowaz | a 1px solid line becomes a 2px blurry mess |
| 23:29.34 | kapowaz | it looks rubbish |
| 23:29.40 | kapowaz | so I want to know how to ensure that doesn't happen. |
| 23:29.42 | ckknight | have you seen it in-game? |
| 23:29.46 | kapowaz | not yet. |
| 23:29.51 | ckknight | there's your problem. |
| 23:30.01 | kapowaz | I'm talking about scaling in Photoshop here |
| 23:30.27 | ckknight | if you saw them in-game and decided that it was bad, you'd have an argument |
| 23:30.58 | kapowaz | what scaling algorithm does WoW use then? |
| 23:31.28 | kapowaz | something better than Photoshop's bicubic scaling? |
| 23:31.29 | ckknight | I'm not 100% certain, tbh |
| 23:31.37 | ckknight | it's different, that's for sure |
| 23:31.41 | kapowaz | mmhmm |
| 23:31.46 | kapowaz | I'll have to give it a go |
| 23:32.01 | Gnarfoz | "better" than bicubic |
| 23:32.07 | Gnarfoz | giggles |
| 23:32.41 | Gnarfoz | you assume too much, try more stuff out =) |
| 23:32.54 | kapowaz | I was being cynical. |
| 23:33.14 | kapowaz | image rescaling algorithms are not exactly cuttign edge, rapidly advancing tech |
| 23:33.58 | kapowaz | I find the idea that whatever a 5 year old game uses to resize in realtime is more advanced than the industry standard image editor's algorithms doubtful |
| 23:34.05 | kapowaz | but hey, I will have to see it in action. |
| 23:34.54 | Gnarfoz | that's not being cynical, tbh |
| 23:35.01 | kapowaz | skeptical then |
| 23:35.08 | Gnarfoz | misinformed, I'd call it |
| 23:35.13 | kapowaz | perhaps |
| 23:35.17 | kapowaz | assuming |
| 23:35.20 | kapowaz | ignorant |
| 23:35.25 | Gnarfoz | since bicubic is not new at all, nor an advanced scaling algorithm |
| 23:35.26 | kapowaz | but I have my reasons :) |
| 23:35.42 | kapowaz | of course |
| 23:35.58 | Gnarfoz | it's irreleveant anyway because of how WoW's UI engine makes it unpredictable how stuff will look |
| 23:36.06 | Gnarfoz | people will have different resolutions, different UIScale values |
| 23:36.25 | kapowaz | fair enough. |
| 23:36.30 | kapowaz | although in this case it's for me |
| 23:36.36 | Gnarfoz | so even if you manually implement mip-mapping, there's going to people for who it'll look like ass ;D |
| 23:36.46 | Gnarfoz | heh ok |
| 23:37.57 | kapowaz | I don't intend to redistribute this buttonfacade skin |
| 23:38.00 | kapowaz | it's really just for me :) |
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| 23:38.32 | kapowaz | are addon images assumed to be grayscale only? |
| 23:38.52 | kapowaz | I notice that the example skin I'm looking at here just uses images in grayscale with a single alpha channel |
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| 23:39.20 | ckknight | no |
| 23:39.31 | kapowaz | they're RGB which is why I was a little confused |
| 23:41.54 | kapowaz | aha, I think I see why |
| 23:42.13 | kapowaz | they're just colour channels + alpha to be used for another source colour |
| 23:42.42 | Aeyan | AA and UIScale are the leading culprits of screwing up your clean graphics, hehe. |
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| 23:44.33 | kapowaz | yeah, in WoW they are. I'm just speaking from experience with things like tracing paths in Photoshop |
| 23:44.54 | kapowaz | depending exactly where a path goes you end up with a solid 1px line, or a 2px line with various shades of grey |
| 23:45.01 | kapowaz | or whatever colour |
| 23:45.22 | Aeyan | Ah, resizing algorithms and the like |
| 23:45.25 | Aeyan | Complicated, hehe |
| 23:45.32 | Aeyan | I admit, I haven't really been following the conversation |
| 23:46.24 | kapowaz | example: http://img.skitch.com/20100410-ekgu5d89hdr56kr94equ2i29kd.png |
| 23:46.37 | kapowaz | that's exactly the same path, nudged by a few subpixels across |
| 23:47.02 | kapowaz | (and Photoshop won't necessarily make paths align with actual screen pixels when you draw them) |
