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| 01:21.49 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.2.10-14-g14b00de modules/range.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed death state becoming stuck for range checking (I dedicate this commit to everyone I let die in 2vs2 to test it) |
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| 01:25.33 | groktar | hmm |
| 01:26.30 | groktar | i have a string like 3ft/0in, and i need to match the 0. why doesn't /[0-9] match? |
| 01:26.47 | groktar | :( |
| 01:27.23 | WobWork | what's the full regex? |
| 01:27.37 | groktar | "/[0-9]" |
| 01:27.48 | groktar | i just need to know if there's a digit after the / |
| 01:28.03 | WobWork | you need a .? or + |
| 01:28.05 | WobWork | after |
| 01:28.36 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * v4.0.0-beta9-31-gd3b7b01 Modules/LuaTexts/LuaTexts.lua: [+1 commit] Fix a bug in the defaults that prevented difficulty colors from updating after you leveled. |
| 01:28.49 | WobWork | I think '?' is zero or more |
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| 01:30.09 | groktar | oh, god damnit |
| 01:30.35 | groktar | hehe i'm dumb |
| 01:30.37 | Shefki | WobWork: ? is 0 oor 1 |
| 01:30.42 | Shefki | s/oor/or/ |
| 01:30.47 | Shefki | + is 1 or more |
| 01:30.50 | Shefki | * is 0 or more |
| 01:31.17 | WobWork | so you probably want * |
| 01:31.23 | WobWork | or ?? |
| 01:31.31 | groktar | needs to be + |
| 01:31.36 | groktar | i had the regex right |
| 01:31.42 | groktar | the string wasn't what i thought it was |
| 01:31.53 | groktar | so it was matching when i thought it shouldn't :p |
| 01:36.25 | groktar | way too much on my plate this sprint, so i've been working all weekend :( |
| 01:36.35 | groktar | and i'm starting to get fried |
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| 01:40.57 | groktar | and now the svn server is being lame |
| 01:41.03 | groktar | trouts it |
| 01:41.41 | groktar | blames Shefki |
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| 01:51.45 | Shefki | groktar: Not my fault. |
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| 03:33.19 | Repo | 10hudmap: 03Antiarc 07master * v1.1.4-24-gd4ef435 / (14 files in 5 directories): [+15 commits] (11 truncated) |
| 03:33.20 | Repo | d4ef435: Add hud/minimap mode toggles, fix clipping modes for each. Update line graphic, update module DB reloads on profile change, updates to Putricide module |
| 03:33.21 | Repo | 192982e: Merge branch 'master' of http://github.com/Adirelle/HudMap |
| 03:33.23 | Repo | d9e0775: Split flag handling out per battleground |
| 03:33.23 | Repo | 96a64ef: Fixed a nil error in :Toggle and a possible bug in :ShowCanvas. |
| 03:34.50 | Stanzilla | btw Antiarc |
| 03:34.59 | Stanzilla | the profiles in sexycooldown are a bit broken |
| 03:35.19 | Stanzilla | when I copy from one to another it duplicates bars and messes up namings etc |
| 03:36.35 | Antiarc | Why does /focus [target=mouseover,exists][] not work? |
| 03:36.55 | Antiarc | Nevermind, I guess it does. |
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| 04:16.25 | Torhal | It isn't just SexyCooldown - SexyMap profile copying doesn't do what I expect either. |
| 04:17.24 | Antiarc | I kinda suck at profiles! |
| 04:17.35 | Torhal | Haha |
| 04:17.38 | Antiarc | HudMap's works pretty well now though thanks to adirelle's input |
| 04:17.40 | durcyn | you've got the right callbacks registered |
| 04:17.45 | Shadowed | By "kind of" |
| 04:17.49 | Shadowed | he means, "never does it" :P |
| 04:18.09 | durcyn | not sure that just :Disable() :Enable() is the best way to go about things though |
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| 06:32.20 | Adirelle | durcyn, that's often the best way to put everything back in place, if done properly |
| 06:32.36 | groktar | hmm |
| 06:32.57 | groktar | i think i'm better off working at home than working at work |
| 06:33.03 | groktar | i've gotten so much done today |
| 06:33.32 | groktar | sent six new features to QA today |
| 06:33.37 | groktar | they're going to hate me |
| 06:33.38 | groktar | :D |
| 06:39.54 | Adirelle | Antiarc, have you pushed something ? |
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| 06:50.23 | Antiarc | I have, many things |
| 06:50.35 | Antiarc | I'm working on Real Work(TM) right now, though |
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| 08:53.41 | Repo | 10bluecheck: 03stolenlegacy * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): Initial commit |
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| 09:03.26 | Repo | 10elkguild: 03Elkano * r2 / (4 files in 1 directory): pushing some working stuff I had on disk for months... |
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| 09:35.08 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03StingerSoft * r7484 / (3 files in 3 directories): ruRU update |
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| 15:04.13 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://paste.wowace.com | http://lua.org | Curse Client v4: http://www.curse.com/client | WoWInterface Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/ | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23 | Happy Birthday Kaelten! |
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| 15:21.02 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 07cataclysm * r2676 Core/AtlasLoot.lua: - Atlas bugfix |
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| 15:40.21 | Repo | 10vanas-kos: 03xilcoy * r450 / (24 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 7 lines) |
| 15:40.23 | Repo | - Store lists per realm/faction (requires import of old VanasKoS data) |
| 15:40.24 | Repo | - Improved pvp statistics (requires import of old VanasKoS data) |
| 15:40.26 | Repo | - Added support for cross-server players |
| 15:40.27 | Repo | - Show mouseover stats for all players regardless of faction |
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| 15:56.58 | Repo | 10vanas-kos: 03xilcoy * r451 modules/Notifier.lua: typo - registered for wrong event for raid members update |
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| 16:04.54 | ckknight | hey, is there any way to tell what region a character is playing on? e.g. EU vs. NA |
| 16:05.06 | jnwhiteh | you can check their realmlist cvar |
| 16:05.11 | ckknight | hmm |
| 16:05.12 | jnwhiteh | its about the best you can do, afaik |
| 16:05.58 | ckknight | that'll work nicely |
| 16:06.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:09.21 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/warning-new-flash/reader-vulnerability/ |
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| 16:24.36 | Fisker | alo eu kale |
| 16:24.38 | Fisker | Kaelten |
| 16:24.40 | Fisker | you bastard! |
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| 16:24.52 | Kaelten | Fisker, you bitch! |
| 16:25.48 | Fisker | Adobe is the only reason why even reasonably secured computers get compromised |
| 16:27.03 | nevcairiel | reasonable secure computers don't run flash without asking first, at least |
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| 16:37.59 | steev | s/ without.*// |
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| 16:40.07 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: indeed |
| 16:40.13 | Kaelten | ClickToFlash is my best friend |
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| 17:12.01 | steev | bleh |
| 17:12.16 | steev | my raiding server and old main server are both on the list of 24 hour maintenance |
| 17:13.19 | steev | blizzard will owe me 2 frost badgers |
| 17:13.33 | nevcairiel | badger badger badger |
| 17:13.49 | arkns | maybe a badger will owe you a blizzard |
| 17:13.54 | arkns | thats probably a better deal |
| 17:14.07 | durcyn | you'll owe blizzard all the vitamin D you'll get this year |
| 17:14.34 | nevcairiel | that wont e much |
| 17:14.40 | nevcairiel | s/ e / be / |
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| 17:20.23 | steev | heh |
| 17:21.09 | steev | http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e300/Malbabo/Private/Semttulo.jpg |
| 17:24.19 | Repo | 10vanas-kos: 03xilcoy * r452 modules (2 files in 1 directory): fix recording of guilds on other servers |
| 17:25.22 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r532 / (2 files in 1 directory): blacklist update |
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| 17:32.59 | steev | the new TOS is interesting |
| 17:33.06 | steev | use the Service for any "e-sports" or group competition sponsored, promoted or facilitated by any commercial or non-profit entity without Blizzard's prior written consent; |
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| 17:39.03 | Fisker | pwnt steev |
| 17:50.49 | NeoTron | you cna't use bnet for esports except with approval? |
| 17:50.58 | NeoTron | wtf would they want to artificially limit it? |
| 17:52.02 | nevcairiel | so if a play against some of my friends, and we make it a competition, we're violating the ToS? =P |
| 17:52.40 | pentium166 | if you promote it on your website! |
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| 18:02.27 | Primer | steev: guild drama? |
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| 18:06.14 | steev | Primer: eh, dunno its over on EU server |
| 18:06.24 | steev | an ex guildie posted it to our guild forums |
| 18:06.32 | Primer | oh, just some random dude |
| 18:06.44 | Primer | I don't even know what my BiS trinkets are |
| 18:09.09 | steev | dbw/dv if you're a dps dk |
| 18:09.29 | Primer | I have neither |
| 18:09.59 | Primer | but I think I knew that, regarding my DK...I was wondering about my lock, since that picture is of a lock |
| 18:10.15 | Primer | I have muradins and RotSomething |
| 18:12.46 | steev | i have dbw (norm) and herkuml |
| 18:12.52 | steev | doubt i'll ever see a dv |
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| 18:12.59 | Primer | Reign of the Unliving |
| 18:13.07 | steev | specially not a dv heroic |
| 18:13.13 | steev | since we can't kill fc in togc 25 |
| 18:13.22 | steev | and herk is above dv norm |
| 18:13.25 | Primer | I have Herkumi and the Lady DW 10 man one |
| 18:13.31 | steev | those are fine |
| 18:13.40 | steev | i have a whispering fanged skull too |
| 18:14.29 | Primer | I had the opportunity to DPS a 10 man ICC run this last week, and I actually did pretty well...for not really having a rotation down :) |
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| 18:14.58 | arkanes | I've lost 3 heroic and 2 regular wfs |
| 18:15.03 | arkanes | kinda irritated now :( |
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| 18:42.57 | koaschten | hmm 720p recording capability eeh? |
| 18:42.59 | koaschten | tsk |
| 18:43.08 | koaschten | ooh fc, want to rant somewhere else ;) |
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| 18:48.36 | sbu | koaschten: LED flash!! :p |
| 18:49.07 | koaschten | i am more curious about the fact if i can upgrade my in august 2 year old 3g for a minor fee ;) |
| 18:49.14 | koaschten | unlock the 3g and ebay *profit* |
| 18:49.33 | koaschten | because after 2 years the carriers in germany have to remove simlock/carrier lock from handsets |
| 18:49.57 | koaschten | sbu did you see the FaceTime video call pic with steve? ;) |
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| 18:51.17 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: s/after 2 years/after your MVLZ is over/ |
| 18:51.31 | Gnarfoz | (whatever that translates to, you know what I mean anyway) |
| 18:51.41 | koaschten | whatever ;) |
| 18:51.59 | koaschten | considering to step down my contract though, i am nowhere using the amount of data i am "paying" for ;) |
| 18:52.04 | Gnarfoz | the only thing that has me stumped is the pricing of the iPenis 4 |
| 18:52.12 | Gnarfoz | seems *really* cheap? |
| 18:52.31 | koaschten | the 100$ upgrade for a 16GB device ? |
| 18:52.35 | koaschten | yeah |
| 18:52.40 | Gnarfoz | the full price |
| 18:52.44 | koaschten | didnt see that |
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| 18:53.13 | Gnarfoz | didn't see anything about an upgrade for anyone but ATT users, which is irrelevant for us transoceanic peoples anyway |
| 18:53.28 | koaschten | trans atlantic... |
| 18:53.37 | koaschten | unless you are in asia currently Gnarfoz |
| 18:53.47 | Gnarfoz | since when is the atlantic OCEAN not an ocean anymore? |
| 18:53.57 | Gnarfoz | (let alone that I'd have to own an iPhone to upgrade one, which I don't) |
| 18:54.13 | koaschten | want mine in august? ;) |
| 18:54.21 | Gnarfoz | surely you jest |
| 18:54.29 | koaschten | its like mint, had an invisibleShield since day 1 |
| 18:54.45 | Gnarfoz | nah, the price thing has me confused because I'm considering a nexus one |
| 18:54.57 | koaschten | na you dont want a nexus |
| 18:55.03 | Gnarfoz | that'd be like, a $200 price difference, for no reason I can fathom |
| 18:55.27 | Gnarfoz | (except maybe the fact that only mr Jobs knows when I could own an iphone4) |
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| 18:56.02 | koaschten | you want an evo |
| 18:56.06 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 18:56.09 | Gnarfoz | I don't |
| 18:56.49 | Gnarfoz | it's primary selling point doesn't exist in Germany so far (3.9g networks) and it's huge and heavy |
| 18:57.29 | koaschten | hd2 mini? ;) |
| 18:57.31 | Gnarfoz | anyway, ifoon just announced, I'll go to bed and ponder this some more tomorrow :D |
| 18:57.34 | nevcairiel | who really has that anyway? in the US you're lucky to even have 3G .. maybe the asians? =P |
| 18:57.50 | Gnarfoz | sprint, who's selling the evo, has it, some places |
| 18:58.28 | Gnarfoz | you have to take that in context, in relation to their network coverage, they do have it in some places. that no carrier exists in the US that has good overall coverage is a whole other story |
| 18:59.12 | Gnarfoz | (which not surprisingly, stems from the simple fact that the US is, indeed, ridiculously huge compared to what I (and probably you, too) know) |
| 18:59.17 | nevcairiel | add the GSM/CDMA mixture to the table, and you have whole loads of fun with mobiles in the US |
| 19:00.17 | Gnarfoz | something's gotta be the reason for all those surreal scenes in TV shows and movies where the poor person in distress has no network coverage JUST when they need it |
| 19:00.29 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 19:00.31 | Gnarfoz | gotta go into a fucking tunnel or basement to have that problem here |
| 19:00.42 | nevcairiel | well |
| 19:00.47 | nevcairiel | i was in that place on the weekend |
| 19:00.50 | nevcairiel | somewhere in MV |
| 19:00.53 | Gnarfoz | (except maybe really rural areas) |
| 19:01.12 | Gnarfoz | MV has some of those :> |
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| 19:01.14 | nevcairiel | only vodafon had any coverage at all, and that sucked mostly too |
| 19:01.58 | koaschten | well actually i can tell you at least one place around the 8k people town where my parents live where you dont get D1 connection ;) |
| 19:02.21 | Aens|Superiority | inner cities in the US typically have good coverage, but its surprising the number of basement floors that don't get signal on some carriers. |
| 19:02.26 | sbu | koaschten: nah... didnt watch the keynote |
| 19:02.28 | Gnarfoz | I liked the time when O2 customers would switch over to t-mobile outside of cities... should work like that among all the different networks, technically that wouldn't be a challenge at all |
| 19:02.43 | nevcairiel | its not a technical challenge |
| 19:02.52 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware, that's why I said that |
| 19:02.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:02.55 | nevcairiel | its just business |
| 19:02.59 | koaschten | yeah it's like the ISPs peering ... |
| 19:03.00 | sbu | and since i have a iphone now, never again... :p |
| 19:03.10 | nevcairiel | o2 canceld that contract just last year though |
| 19:03.17 | nevcairiel | but have to admit, the o2 network is good enough now |
| 19:03.30 | Gnarfoz | the feature was disabled a bit earlier than that, though - at least 2 years now |
| 19:04.01 | nevcairiel | possibly, never had net trouble anymore |
| 19:04.01 | Gnarfoz | same |
| 19:04.01 | nevcairiel | but i live in and around HH |
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| 19:04.01 | koaschten | what i like with the iPhone 4 is, they actually seem to have thought about reception and atenna quality making the metal frame a part of the antenna |
| 19:04.01 | Gnarfoz | H was not bad either |
| 19:04.04 | Gnarfoz | now I'm in fucking BAD :D |
| 19:04.09 | Gnarfoz | (but coverage is good here, too) |
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| 19:04.30 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: but it's going to have to show if that actually helps anything |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | I already see the health guys screaming that using the whole phone as an antenna will melt your brain again :d |
| 19:05.49 | koaschten | brain? testicles ! |
| 19:05.49 | Gnarfoz | stuff like your body interfering with the antenna because you're in direct contact with it, oils from your skin tarnishing the metal (it's probably anodized, but *shrug*), etc |
| 19:06.21 | koaschten | Gnarfoz that's what protective stuff is for... |
| 19:06.22 | Gnarfoz | who knows, maybe it will give no gain at all and they just did it so they could save 0.2mm in overall thickness of the phone |
| 19:06.37 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: "protective stuff" like anodizing the metal? :D |
| 19:06.48 | koaschten | no, self-adhesive plastics ;) |
| 19:06.51 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 19:07.08 | Gnarfoz | that'd be like never removing those factory-applied protective stickers |
| 19:07.20 | koaschten | http://www.zagg.com/ |
| 19:07.23 | Gnarfoz | and would severely diminish both look and feel of the device :p |
| 19:07.34 | Gnarfoz | no. not talking about aftermarket stuff |
| 19:07.48 | nevcairiel | I dont have any shield thing on my phone |
| 19:07.49 | koaschten | well if after 2 years the corners wouldn't come of you wouldn't know it would be there |
| 19:07.53 | nevcairiel | and it doesnt have one scratch |
| 19:07.57 | nevcairiel | high quality > shield |
| 19:08.19 | Aens|Superiority | leather case + holster |
| 19:08.24 | Gnarfoz | no thanks |
| 19:08.34 | nevcairiel | that looks just silly |
| 19:08.35 | Gnarfoz | got enough bulky stuff to carry aroudn as it is |
| 19:08.40 | nevcairiel | people that walk around like that |
| 19:08.42 | nevcairiel | silly! |
| 19:09.04 | Aens|Superiority | much more comfortable than putting it in your trouser pockets |
| 19:09.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | so you guys all hate the new iphone i take it |
| 19:09.10 | nevcairiel | also those shields probably reduce the accuracy of the touch screen |
| 19:09.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: in soviet russia... ok that doesn't work. but maybe you could get a carry concealed permit for a shoulder holster for your phone in the US. :D |
| 19:10.00 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar_atwork: that's not really the consensus. more like "meh, saturated on high-tech, so excitement is not that high" :) |
| 19:10.01 | nevcairiel | I basically hate any iPhone, unless Apple completly re-creates their appstore ToU and all that |
| 19:10.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | they approved my app, so i like them |
| 19:10.26 | Aens|Superiority | http://www.case-mate.com/iPhone-3G-Cases/Case-Mate-iPhone-3G--3GS-Signature-Leather-Case-and-Holster-Combo.asp |
| 19:10.33 | nevcairiel | I dont need a company to tell me what i can and cannot do |
| 19:10.47 | Gnarfoz | anyway, obvious popular reasons against iPhones/Apple aside: reasoning against any of htc's other phones: they get 1, maybe 2 updates and then they're left in the dust |
| 19:11.06 | Aens|Superiority | Gnarfoz: the batteries on them are bad |
| 19:11.19 | Aens|Superiority | both in battery life per charge and cycle counts |
| 19:11.24 | Gnarfoz | whereas google is more likely to push updates to the n1 for a while... and if they stop, it's factory unlocked anyway, so just use custom roms |
| 19:11.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | all i can say is that the new iphone blows all the current phones away |
| 19:11.41 | Kaelten | ya I can't wait |
| 19:11.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | for how long - who knows |
| 19:11.43 | nevcairiel | yeah, get the google flagship phone, and you get updates fast and forever |
| 19:11.48 | Kaelten | I'm going to do my damnedest to preorder |
| 19:11.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kaelten: me too |
| 19:12.05 | NeoTron | bummer for me that I basically just got a 3gs :P |
| 19:12.11 | Kaelten | NeoTron: doh! |
| 19:12.14 | Gnarfoz | Aens|Superiority: after watching 2 iPhone owners helping each other out with USB charging cables for their phones, I don't think Apple's are much better off ^^ |
| 19:12.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | you can sell your 3gs you know |
| 19:12.17 | Aens|Superiority | n1 did not feel that sturdy to me. A friend has it and it feels flimsy compared to my 3g. |
| 19:12.20 | NeoTron | I mean "just" is relative - it was last year |
| 19:12.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | they hold their value |
| 19:12.26 | nevcairiel | whats so great about it that blows other phones away? |
| 19:12.30 | Kaelten | I'm still on my 16GB 3G |
| 19:12.46 | NeoTron | sylvanaar_atwork: would be a pain in the ass with contracts no? |
| 19:12.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | i sold my 3G for $250 recently |
| 19:12.50 | Aens|Superiority | Kaelten: black? don't say white ;p |
| 19:12.58 | Kaelten | white |
| 19:13.06 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the screen rez, size, and if that price is a retail price without a contract attached, the price, IMHO? |
| 19:13.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | NeoTron: what would, no its not |
| 19:13.17 | nevcairiel | Apple and doing retail phones? |
| 19:13.19 | nevcairiel | You wish |
| 19:13.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | NeoTron: your contract is with your chip not your phone |
| 19:13.19 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: 199/w contract |
| 19:13.27 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: haha, so that's cleared up then |
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| 19:13.40 | nevcairiel | whats the screen rez? |
| 19:13.40 | NeoTron | sylvanaar_atwork: but I'd have to buy the new phone without a contract or what not |
| 19:13.42 | Gnarfoz | that was basically my initial question 30mins ago |
| 19:13.46 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: 326 ppi |
| 19:13.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | 960,640 |
| 19:13.57 | Gnarfoz | and it's an IPS LCD apparently |
| 19:13.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | almost as much as ipad |
| 19:14.12 | nevcairiel | AMOLED > * |
| 19:14.25 | Gnarfoz | not sure what the power draw difference is to other tech, in that respect |
| 19:14.32 | Kaelten | IPS is damned good, and at that density it's going to be nuts |
| 19:14.46 | Kaelten | 7 hrs 3g talk time is rather nice though |
| 19:14.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | you wont be able to see the pixels, it will be photo quality |
| 19:15.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | that was my take |
| 19:15.12 | Gnarfoz | the only thing IPS is better at than TN really is angle stability |
| 19:15.32 | nevcairiel | I have a 854x480, and you can't see any pixels |
| 19:15.35 | Gnarfoz | color reproduction on high-grade TN panels is close enough |
| 19:16.03 | Gnarfoz | anyway, final question: they didn't say *anything* about a launch date, did they? |
| 19:16.06 | nevcairiel | using IPS for a mobile phone is just silly |
| 19:16.25 | nevcairiel | OLED displays are far superior, just not viable to build for big screens (yet) |
| 19:16.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | glass on both sides of the phone |
| 19:16.33 | Aens|Superiority | Gnarfoz: normally with the iphone/ipod products, its 2 months till wide availability |
| 19:16.47 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: it's probably that ceramic based glass |
| 19:17.03 | Gnarfoz | "silly" - it gets them what they wanted, a really high res, superb color, angle stable display. if that's what it takes to get that^^ |
| 19:17.09 | Kaelten | Aens|Superiority: didn't they say 5 countries this month and like 20 soon and 88 by sept |
| 19:17.30 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: OLED does that, at lower power, guess higher price, though |
| 19:17.31 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: I still doubt it'll be great in sunlight, but you never know |
| 19:17.43 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: can you use it in the sun, actually? :P |
| 19:17.49 | nevcairiel | I heard the iPad refuses %) |
| 19:17.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | they built a phone that it will take competitors 6-9 months to come close to |
| 19:18.07 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ya, until oled gets cheap, I doubt it's going to find it's way into many phones |
| 19:18.21 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ipad works fine in sun, if you can hold something over it so you can see the dispaly :D |
| 19:18.25 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it does some of it. you simply wouldn't want to shell out the cash for an AMOLED with that high a resolution |
| 19:18.52 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: ya, my only disapointment was that storage didn't get upgraded |
| 19:19.04 | nevcairiel | still no sd card? |
| 19:19.05 | Kaelten | but I guess with all the other new stuff in there for the same price point who can complain tooo much |
| 19:19.23 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: nope |
| 19:19.27 | nevcairiel | hah. |
| 19:19.38 | Gnarfoz | <sylvanaar_atwork> they built a phone that it will take competitors 6-9 months to come close to <-- maybe, in some of the technical aspects. but there's other points to consider when chosing a phone. ^^ |
| 19:19.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | im assuming that ill have to pay $599 for the 32G |
| 19:19.44 | nevcairiel | Of course they couldn't make more money with bigger internal storage |
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| 19:20.15 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: 299 |
| 19:20.19 | Gnarfoz | <@nevcairiel> yeah, get the google flagship phone, and you get updates fast and forever <-- that's the plan, so far - and with that, have a nice evening, it's probably going to be all phony. :D |
| 19:20.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kaelten: thats with the contract discount |
| 19:20.31 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i have a 256ppi on my phone, the screen doesnt strike me as vastly superior |
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| 19:20.37 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: what other points if I may ask? |
| 19:21.07 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: ah, not eligible? |
| 19:21.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kaelten: i upgraded to 3GS |
| 19:21.20 | nevcairiel | I have yet to hear any point for the 4G that really makes me go like "thats a big upgrade" |
| 19:21.23 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: add a line, and drop the old iphone down to the $15/month data plan |
| 19:21.25 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: being locked to all kinds of Apple products, terms of use, small choice in phone contracts - mostly those |
| 19:21.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats an idea |
| 19:21.57 | nevcairiel | I still can't use a sd card .. can i at least replace the battery without sending it in to tech support? |
| 19:22.02 | Kaelten | you'll probably be about a wash by the time it comes up to expire |
| 19:22.13 | Kaelten | but at least it's over 12 months not all at once |
| 19:22.20 | Gnarfoz | oh. no exchangable storage: wtf. |
| 19:22.20 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:22.41 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: "all kinds of Apple products"? |
| 19:22.44 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: only that way they can sell phones with bigger storage |
| 19:22.50 | Gnarfoz | iTunes, mostly? |
| 19:22.59 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:23.02 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:23.09 | Gnarfoz | their app store |
| 19:23.26 | Gnarfoz | their pre-installed apps |
| 19:23.30 | nevcairiel | I like to be free, and the iPhone/App Store ToU doesn't let me be free |
| 19:23.47 | Kaelten | I guess I'm happy in the walled garden |
| 19:23.49 | Gnarfoz | I could generalize it to this: they dictate to many things for my liking |
| 19:23.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | i hated my nexus one |
| 19:23.54 | Kaelten | I don't like everything |
| 19:23.55 | nevcairiel | Not that i'm a big fan of Flash, but i'm not even *allowed* to install it, if i ever for whatever reason wanted or needed to |
| 19:24.13 | Kaelten | but why would you seriously want to? |
| 19:24.21 | nevcairiel | thats not the point |
| 19:24.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | nevcairiel is an idealist |
| 19:24.38 | Kaelten | adobe's dropped the ball big time on that one |
| 19:24.44 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: I'm tempted by the obviously good "everything from the same guys" smooth user experience that should hopefully be the result of their dictatorship :D |
| 19:24.53 | Kaelten | I don't really blame apple |
| 19:25.05 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: lol |
| 19:25.19 | nevcairiel | I don't consider Jobs a capable dictator, sorry. |
| 19:25.20 | Gnarfoz | tempted: bad choice of words |
| 19:25.28 | Gnarfoz | I can see how it's appealing |
| 19:25.59 | Kaelten | what's killed me about all the flack apple's gotten on flash |
| 19:26.11 | Kaelten | is how it's not even readily available yet |
| 19:26.18 | Kaelten | and is only just now preview available |
| 19:26.24 | nevcairiel | Thats all not the point |
| 19:26.27 | Kaelten | for the bleeding edge in android |
| 19:26.42 | nevcairiel | Apple added a freaking clause to their App Store ToU that Flash is completly banned |
| 19:26.47 | MysticalOS | i won't be happy until they announce an end to AT&T and their sub par service/coverage |
| 19:26.53 | Gnarfoz | the flak is from the bad user experience Flash has been giving people on *Macs* |
| 19:26.59 | nevcairiel | and i would never use anything that starts banning stuff just because they have some falling out with adobe |
| 19:27.12 | Kaelten | MysticalOS: I can agree I'd encourage competition there, but I'm not convinced verizon won't just charge to match |
| 19:27.14 | Funkeh` | ive got 3 minutes until PTR shuts down to figure out what i can attach my copy chat button to |
| 19:27.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | it actually says something completly different |
| 19:27.18 | Funkeh` | to dymnamically show |
| 19:27.19 | MysticalOS | gnar, the main issue was the fact that flash wasn't able to deliver when adobe asked them too |
| 19:27.23 | Funkeh` | because the tabs always show now |
| 19:27.24 | Gnarfoz | it only extends to the phone because... well, who'd be most likely to buy an apple phone? apple users. :D |
| 19:27.26 | MysticalOS | apple* |
| 19:27.33 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: say what |
| 19:27.49 | MysticalOS | they didn't not support flash right away, adobe just couldn't get it running on the first iphones |
| 19:27.53 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: apple asked adobe for a good version of mobile flash |
| 19:28.01 | MysticalOS | their mobile platform was far from useful |
| 19:28.07 | Gnarfoz | they asked for a good version of non-mobile flash, too! :p |
| 19:28.09 | MysticalOS | still isn't useful even on android |
| 19:28.30 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: adobe failed to deliver, and has still faile.d |
| 19:28.32 | nevcairiel | it works "ok" on 2.2 |
| 19:28.44 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: it's not like Apple is throwing them any bones, though |
| 19:28.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | i think flash's relevance is fading fast |
| 19:28.57 | nevcairiel | google was smart and added the click-to-flash in the browser natively :d |
| 19:29.16 | Kaelten | if adobe brought a solid, secure, low-power implementation to apple for consideration it'd have a shot |
| 19:29.21 | MysticalOS | i love my click to flash browser plugin, i block a lot of unwanted ads :) |
| 19:29.24 | Kaelten | but I don't know if adobe is capable on that |
| 19:29.26 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: now? never. |
| 19:29.29 | Gnarfoz | h/w video acceleration for non-mobile Flash? yeah, that went down nicely. Apple was the one preventing that, not Adobe's inability (and they still do) |
| 19:29.37 | Kaelten | apple's been shit on by adobe for years |
| 19:29.54 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: bullshit, apple didn't prevent that |
| 19:30.02 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: they certainly did, and do. |
| 19:30.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have never once missed flash on my iphone or ipad |
| 19:30.19 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: if silverlight can have hw acceleration for video, I'm sure flash could too |
| 19:30.26 | MysticalOS | the arguments about hardware acceleration for desktop flash on macs has always been about adobes approach, adobe requested access to the kernel, the drivders, apple told them to find another way that doesn't expose the kernel to their bugs. they never flat out said no |
| 19:30.27 | Primer | indeed |
| 19:30.30 | Primer | it's the same on Linux |
| 19:30.32 | Gnarfoz | lack of API to use the full capabilities of the GPU for h/w acceleration |
| 19:30.41 | Primer | there's no reason other than Adobe's reluctance |
| 19:30.42 | Gnarfoz | Quartz can do it, but they don't expose that |
| 19:30.54 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: there's an easy public api in QuicktimeKit |
| 19:30.55 | Primer | *cough* bullshit *cough* |
| 19:30.57 | arkanes | not true at all |
| 19:31.06 | arkanes | Quartz exposes video hardware acceleration |
| 19:31.08 | Gnarfoz | the internets said so, it must be the truth! |
| 19:31.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:31.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | i read it on a blog - its a fact |
| 19:31.22 | Gnarfoz | idd |
| 19:31.29 | nevcairiel | Also, Apple refusing to support WebM - discuss |
| 19:31.31 | arkanes | Flash doesn't use it because the thing they expose uses a different color mapping than Flash stores natively |
| 19:31.45 | arkanes | There's an Adobe blog about the specific issues |
| 19:31.52 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: I know quicktime offers the api's, and I think Quartz does too. Adobe saying "uhuh, not doing it the way you suggesT" doesn't equate to apple blocking it |
| 19:32.03 | Gnarfoz | not that I care too much about it, Apple users can DIAF with their Flash problems for all I care, I'm not one. |
| 19:32.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | i hate flash |
| 19:32.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | it does nothing but annoy me |
| 19:32.30 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: amen |
| 19:32.32 | arkanes | Adobe doesn't want to swap the way they store video, because Flash mixes the UI animation layer with the video stuff |
| 19:32.32 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: well, I guess I'm victim to biased blog/news stories about what went down, then |
| 19:32.53 | arkanes | it's actually the same basic problem that kept desktops from getting accelerated video with compositing for so long |
| 19:32.57 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: in short, they're too lazy to rewrite it from the ground, which could possibly fix a lot of its problems along the way? :D |
| 19:32.59 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: I'm sure they are too, just read the other side of blogs |
| 19:33.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: tehehe |
| 19:33.10 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: it's not lazy, of course, its a legitimate technical issue |
| 19:33.11 | nevcairiel | truth is probably somewhere in the middle =P |
| 19:33.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | "You can also call *639# from your phone for upgrade information. " |
| 19:33.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | dials |
| 19:33.30 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: but likewise Apples not going to rewrite it's entire compositing framework for Flashes convenience |
| 19:33.42 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: not to mention that they *would* have to pay their devs to do said work, but who wants to spend money on that ^^ |
| 19:33.43 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: yup, I'm sure it is. All I know is that api's do exist, and that silverlight does have hw accell. So it stands to reason flash could too, if they wanted to. |
| 19:34.04 | nevcairiel | Personally, i just would not get an iPhone ebcause i had to use the silly T-Mobile contract. And without contract, those phones cost like the double to my Droid. |
| 19:34.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | hey! |
| 19:34.08 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: Flash video is fundamentally hackish in nature of course, which contributes, but we're far past the point where changing that is a realistic solution |
| 19:34.12 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: but then, how hard would adding support for a different colorspace be? (now on a purely technological basis) |
| 19:34.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | i get the upgrade price |
| 19:34.17 | Kaelten | sylvanaar_atwork: woot! |
| 19:34.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | woot!! |
| 19:34.28 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: it'd be easy but you'd lose composition of non-video elements |
| 19:34.43 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: flash 10.1 has h/w accel on macs, but only "half the fun" ;) |
| 19:34.53 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:34.59 | Gnarfoz | i.e. no using what on windows is called DXVA |
| 19:35.07 | arkanes | I've got the beta player but I don't have the right card for right now :( |
| 19:35.09 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: does it offer 64bitness yet? |
| 19:35.16 | MysticalOS | only on like 3 nvidia cards |
| 19:35.23 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: not sure, not relevant either, my browser is 32bit |
| 19:35.24 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:35.36 | Gnarfoz | it's not like it's magically going to benefit from being 64bit |
| 19:35.50 | nevcairiel | 64bit is twice as fast as 32bit, of course |
| 19:35.54 | MysticalOS | in fact, apple went out of their way to make 32 bit flash work on 64 bit safari |
| 19:35.57 | arkanes | you might remember back in the mists of the past, when people used windows XP |
| 19:35.59 | MysticalOS | they load it special |
| 19:36.01 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: they had to rewrite safari's plugin architecture to support 32bit flash (and other plugins) while having the browser itself go 64bit |
| 19:36.07 | nevcairiel | MysticalOS: nspluginwrapper is no magic |
| 19:36.11 | MysticalOS | any other 32 bit plugin requires safari in 32 bit mode |
| 19:36.17 | arkanes | and the way you got accelerated video was by drawing a rectangle with a specific color in it, and then telling the hardware to replace that color with the video bits |
| 19:36.29 | nevcairiel | any np-plugin capable browsers can use nspluginwrapper |
| 19:36.35 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: that's got nothing to do with Flash (besides Flash's popularity on the web, maybe), they'd have to have done that anyway |
| 19:36.46 | MysticalOS | not shockwave heh. but that's another story ;) |
| 19:36.47 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: that's still how overlay video works |
| 19:37.07 | nevcairiel | people still use overlay video? |
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| 19:37.08 | arkanes | Kaelten: Apple released some stats from their crash reporting service, that says that something like 75% of all crashes - not safari crashes, but all application crashes on OS X - were because of flash |
| 19:37.09 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: without flash I imagine they'd have dropped support for 32 bit plugins in 64bit mode |
| 19:37.11 | nevcairiel | that turns aero off =( |
| 19:37.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | June 15 |
| 19:37.18 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: not on composited desktops, those use render-to-texture |
| 19:37.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | is the preorder date |
| 19:37.27 | Kaelten | arkanes: yup #1 cause of crashes on macs |
| 19:37.30 | MysticalOS | the other 25% are curse client right? |
| 19:37.32 | MysticalOS | j/k |
| 19:37.36 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: that's like media players on windows not being able to use 32bit codecs. horrible mess, end-user suffers. no thanks. :( |
| 19:37.44 | Kaelten | MysticalOS: 27%, statistical anomoly |
| 19:37.49 | Primer | MysticalOS: bwahaha nice |
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| 19:38.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | apple.com has totally been redone in the last hour or so |
| 19:38.05 | Gnarfoz | s/media/64bit media/ |
| 19:38.18 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: Quicktime is 64bit |
| 19:38.24 | Gnarfoz | who uses quicktime on windows? |
| 19:38.26 | Kaelten | nice |
| 19:38.36 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: dunno, but it's gold on macs :D |
| 19:38.39 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i still hate that WMP is 32-bit, but the Windows Media Center is 64-bit and suffers from the codec thing <.< |
| 19:38.46 | Gnarfoz | and quicktime doesn't use any other codecs, it's like VLC, it does it all itself |
| 19:38.48 | MysticalOS | quicktime + perian all you need |
| 19:38.53 | arkanes | apple.com looks mostly the same to me |
| 19:38.56 | nevcairiel | and media center is a really nice 10ft UI :( |
| 19:39.06 | arkanes | just iphone4 splash, they usually do that when the announce a new one |
| 19:39.09 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm lucky I don't have your problems. :D |
| 19:39.17 | nevcairiel | I just use XBMC now |
| 19:39.20 | arkanes | video calling, thats kinda cool |
| 19:39.28 | MysticalOS | i was hoping for safari 5, huge diapointment, and not 30 minutes talking about Ads! |
| 19:39.39 | Kaelten | MysticalOS: yup, love it, even loads mkvs |
| 19:39.44 | arkanes | I have a mac mini I don't use any more and I someday I will get around to putting mythtv on it |
| 19:39.46 | Gnarfoz | video calls were a feature when ISDN was introduced in Germany back in... 198x... dark ages |
| 19:39.49 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: but not WebM :D |
| 19:39.58 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ? |
| 19:40.02 | arkanes | I love that little thing, barely bigger than a CD drive and it makes zero sound or heat |
| 19:40.05 | nevcairiel | or did they carve in now? |
| 19:40.11 | Kaelten | haven't seen anything about apple refusing to support webm |
| 19:40.30 | Kaelten | and perian will surely work it in |
| 19:40.40 | arkanes | cool, multitasking |
| 19:40.41 | Kaelten | even if apple doesn't ship it |
| 19:40.44 | Gnarfoz | VP8/WebM blergh. The actual thing someone needs to accomplish is put all those MPEG-LA goons on a konvoi to Gaza, as their "escort". |
| 19:40.59 | nevcairiel | WebM is a good solution for web |
| 19:41.01 | arkanes | they must have gotten sick of all the Droid adds making digs about it |
| 19:41.02 | Gnarfoz | then we could all enjoy h264's superiority. |
| 19:41.04 | MysticalOS | http://trac.cod3r.com/perian/changeset/1310 work in progress |
| 19:41.06 | nevcairiel | completly open source codec, no patents |
| 19:41.14 | Gnarfoz | no patents my ass |
| 19:41.35 | MysticalOS | support for Import WebM files just no VP8 yet |
| 19:41.38 | Gnarfoz | and their open source codec has a spec that consists, largely, of copy-&-pasted, platform specific, uncommented C code. |
| 19:41.49 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I hope it turns out that way, but I'm skeptical that it won't be contested |
| 19:42.04 | arkanes | theora is already about as no-patent as you can reasonably get |
| 19:42.07 | Gnarfoz | someone could be making money off of it who now doesn't. BET on it being contested |
| 19:42.07 | nevcairiel | VP8 is as capable as h264 baseline, and anything above baseline is usually too much for webz anyway |
| 19:42.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that logic really doesn't work |
| 19:42.26 | arkanes | that said, when someone emailed Jobs to ask about theora, Jobs gave a response that hinted that patent action might be taken against it |
| 19:42.44 | nevcairiel | arkanes: he just posted a link to a biased blogger |
| 19:42.47 | arkanes | nobody actually gives 2 shits about video quality |
| 19:42.49 | nevcairiel | the bloggers again! |
| 19:42.53 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: woot? I do |
| 19:43.00 | arkanes | nobody significant, I mean |
| 19:43.03 | Gnarfoz | 3, if I ate enough |
| 19:43.12 | Gnarfoz | you hear me?! THREE SHITS! |
| 19:43.18 | Kaelten | it's going to be interesting |
| 19:43.19 | Kaelten | that's all I know |
| 19:43.22 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 19:43.24 | arkanes | I know there's the people who do stuff like count the pixels in video game screenshots so they can rage on the forums if its not true HD |
| 19:43.38 | arkanes | but the fact is that most people can't even really see a difference |
| 19:43.40 | nevcairiel | google will fight for WebM, and when google fights for something, they very rarely give up |
| 19:43.56 | Primer | google has leverage too |
| 19:44.03 | Gnarfoz | when Blizzard defaulted WoW screenshots from near-lossless TGAs to badly compressed JPEGs, I cried for 3 days and nights |
| 19:44.06 | Kaelten | oh ya, but I figure that until that fight settles down |
| 19:44.07 | arkanes | heck, when HD tvs were first starting to go mainstream in the US, half the people who had them werent actually watching HD content but didnt know |
| 19:44.20 | nevcairiel | they even got MS to announce cooperation |
| 19:44.35 | nevcairiel | not full support, but at least when the codec is installed, IE can use it |
| 19:44.46 | Gnarfoz | HDTV, invented 1990's, still not mainstream available in Germany. I laugh at that |
| 19:44.46 | MysticalOS | now if only blizzard would step it up on mac development so the game doesn't run worse in mac os x than it does in windows 7. poor multi threading/multi core use and poor gpu/opengl use. wtb openCL |
| 19:44.48 | arkanes | so the idea that the conflict about what codecs are going to be in html5 and everything else has anything to do with video qualitiy is disingenuous at best |
| 19:44.56 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: screw german tv |
| 19:44.59 | nevcairiel | its full of crap |
| 19:45.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: certainly, that's not the point |
| 19:45.06 | MysticalOS | my mac pro as powerful as it is runs wow worse than more graphics intensive games |
| 19:45.07 | Kaelten | MysticalOS: I just wish they'd drop 10.4.... |
| 19:45.15 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r166 / (3 files in 1 directory): more PTR fixes |
| 19:45.27 | arkanes | Wow isn't particularly efficiently programmed |
| 19:45.30 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: you know those rumors about RTL and Pro7 working together to charge us for their SD-TV as well now |
| 19:45.33 | Gnarfoz | it would boost HD screen distribution though, and that results in... better prices! |
| 19:45.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: don't care, don't watch TV |
| 19:45.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: but it's the same kind of thing that makes me hate Apple ;p |
| 19:45.59 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: well when perian gets done, once you install it you'll be able to load it up in quicktime too :) |
| 19:46.00 | nevcairiel | same, but it just shows how fail our tv thing is |
| 19:46.26 | MysticalOS | wow would be so much better as a 64 bit app running opencl and taking full advantage of multi core systems instead of threading mediocre tasks to 2nd core but mostly offloading entire game onto 1,and letting 6 sit idle |
| 19:46.42 | arkanes | MysticalOS: sure |
| 19:46.43 | MysticalOS | the 2gig memory limit is the reason for most 10.6 wow crashes since the game runs out of memory |
| 19:46.44 | nevcairiel | quicktime is a curse in video-peoples ears |
| 19:46.48 | nevcairiel | anything tainted by it .. |
| 19:46.52 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: WoW could use proper multithreading on Windows just as much as on Macs, and it relies heavily on the CPU. openCL is not going to make any of that different, tbh |
| 19:46.58 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: on mac it's good |
| 19:47.07 | arkanes | MysticalOS: all they have to do is entirely rewrite the graphics engine, the entire UI layer, and most of the clientside game logic |
| 19:47.11 | nevcairiel | the quicktime MP4 format is so bloated |
| 19:47.16 | nevcairiel | so evil :( |
| 19:47.19 | MysticalOS | that's what cata is for ;) |
| 19:47.21 | arkanes | "proper" multithreading is a silly thing to talk about |
| 19:47.33 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: they could at least unlink the Lua processor from the GFX engine =\ |
| 19:47.36 | MysticalOS | it's by no means a content patch type fix |
| 19:47.39 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2678 / (4 files in 3 directories): Auch instances and BT are now accessable |
| 19:47.39 | nevcairiel | How did we even get OpenCL in here? |
| 19:47.44 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: s/proper/better/ |
| 19:47.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: MysticalOS's fault |
| 19:48.00 | nevcairiel | OpenCL isn't something that benefits games much, unless they have really badass physics |
| 19:48.14 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: not really, it has to be tied to the frame render |
| 19:48.16 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: regardless of mp4 being good or bad, quicktime + perian == easy video playing of nearly any format |
| 19:48.24 | Gnarfoz | it's not graphics related at all besides that it has to do with graphics *cards*, really? ^^ |
| 19:48.27 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: like .. mplayer? vlc? :P |
| 19:48.38 | Kaelten | yup, but with polish |
| 19:48.42 | MysticalOS | yeah perian rocks, the only other plugin i use besides perian is flip4mac wmv, but that's only cause poeple still use that crap on web :\ |
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| 19:48.54 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: Wow uses the frame rate as the ticker for most of its processing, but thats really quite common. Moving away from that greatly complicates the engine, and it's actually pretty questionable whether you really get better performance that way |
| 19:49.05 | Kaelten | MysticalOS: somehow I've not had to instlal it, sure perian doesn't include something for wmvs? |
| 19:49.11 | nevcairiel | wonder if itunes actually invents all its own codecs |
| 19:49.19 | koaschten | can we haz multithreaded wow now? |
| 19:49.20 | nevcairiel | or how ffmpeg is licensed.. |
| 19:49.23 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: nope |
| 19:49.24 | arkanes | it makes more sense in your traditional FPS where you've got increasinlgy CPU hungry physics and AI |
| 19:49.25 | MysticalOS | i think perian RECENTLY added some wmv stuff but i think it's older stuff |
| 19:49.29 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: mostly it's the wish that addons wouldn't be slowing down the frame rate anymore, that's making me say that. ;p |
| 19:49.39 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: but they have to |
| 19:49.47 | Gnarfoz | no? they just do |
| 19:49.52 | nevcairiel | well |
| 19:49.58 | arkanes | they could minimize it a bit more than they do |
| 19:50.01 | nevcairiel | they could make them run on their own thread |
| 19:50.06 | arkanes | that wouldn't do anything |
| 19:50.12 | nevcairiel | and put the interaction on queues |
| 19:50.17 | arkanes | sure |
| 19:50.25 | nevcairiel | it would work, would just add more problems due to sync and shit |
| 19:50.33 | arkanes | and you'd get UI lag and latency (because thats actually exactly how the OpenGL stuff already works) |
| 19:50.40 | MysticalOS | i just hate standing in dalaran, with activity monitor open, wow using 20% cpu, like 10% graphics cpu, and lagging in dalaran with 30fps crowded |
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| 19:50.50 | Gnarfoz | which openGL stuff with lag and latency? |
| 19:50.53 | MysticalOS | i fire 4 more wows, and all 5 can run dalaran at 30fps, but ONE wow can't run it at 60fps |
| 19:50.54 | arkanes | your actual performance *might* go up but perceived performance certainly would not |
| 19:51.00 | nevcairiel | Only "lag" in OpenGL you get is the software cursor |
| 19:51.04 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: you know that box that talks about reducing input lag? |
| 19:51.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's for slow DX based systems? |
| 19:51.20 | nevcairiel | gxFixLag is a joke |
| 19:51.24 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: that works by syncing mouse position sampling to the frame display |
| 19:51.28 | arkanes | it's not a "joke" |
| 19:51.38 | arkanes | it's a fairly straightforward design tradeoff |
| 19:51.45 | Gnarfoz | it's a joke in so far as that I've not had it help on ANY system |
| 19:51.50 | arkanes | sure |
| 19:52.01 | nevcairiel | it eats half your performance for nothing, really |
| 19:52.19 | Gnarfoz | ranging from GMA450 netbooks with atom 1.6ghz single core to higher end (and it's obviously recommended to NOT turn that shit on on any system half capable of running wow) |
| 19:52.26 | nevcairiel | probably has only any affect if your system is really slow to begin with |
| 19:52.27 | arkanes | when your mouse goes almost non-responsive in a game when you bring up the menu |
| 19:52.31 | arkanes | thats that thing affecting it |
| 19:52.40 | Gnarfoz | hardware cursor, what up |
| 19:52.44 | Stanzilla | anyone know what the dx11 stuff in cata does? :p |
| 19:52.51 | Gnarfoz | and don't tell me that's not possible in opengl, because it is |
| 19:52.53 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: hardware cursor doesn't change anything |
| 19:53.00 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: how would my mouse go unresponsive? |
| 19:53.10 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: that's apparently already gone in the current build |
| 19:53.16 | nevcairiel | i saw a cvar for tesselation |
| 19:53.21 | nevcairiel | but not sure if it was implemented yet |
| 19:53.27 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: open a menu and watch your mouse get slow and mushy |
| 19:53.34 | Gnarfoz | they need tesselation for normal maps, but the normal map cvar is already gone |
| 19:53.43 | nevcairiel | hardware cursors dont make your mouse go mushy |
| 19:53.43 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: uhm... what |
| 19:53.49 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: it's really common in FPSes, especially by companies that aren't blizzard and don't put as much effort into the UI portion |
| 19:53.51 | nevcairiel | software cursos do |
| 19:54.01 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: i'm on 12164 |
| 19:54.03 | Stanzilla | or so |
| 19:54.05 | arkanes | you can do it with a hardware cursor too of course |
| 19:54.11 | Gnarfoz | I've not seen my mouse go "mushy" in any game I've played on my PC, DX or OGL alike |
| 19:54.24 | nevcairiel | DX-WoW has a hardware cursor, dont need anything else |
| 19:54.35 | arkanes | opengl wow also has a hardware cursor |
| 19:54.37 | nevcairiel | OGL-WoW doesnt have a hardware cursor, for whatever arcane reason |
| 19:54.38 | Kaelten | http://www.techeye.net/internet/woman-says-3d-porno-made-her-pregnant |
| 19:54.39 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I'm on whatever was latest 2 days ago, but... it's not like I'm on "live" *cough* |
| 19:54.40 | nevcairiel | no, it doesnt |
| 19:54.44 | arkanes | what are you talking about |
| 19:54.46 | arkanes | yes it does :\ |
| 19:54.51 | nevcairiel | no, it doesnt |
| 19:54.52 | Gnarfoz | opengl doesn |
| 19:54.54 | Gnarfoz | *does |
| 19:54.56 | nevcairiel | maybe on macs |
| 19:54.59 | Gnarfoz | opengl WOW doesn't |
| 19:55.00 | nevcairiel | not on the windows version |
| 19:55.03 | Gnarfoz | two different things |
| 19:55.13 | nevcairiel | yeah, opengl can do it no problem |
| 19:55.18 | nevcairiel | no idea why blizz didnt |
| 19:55.32 | Gnarfoz | no idea why they killed their obviously working linux client, either! :P |
| 19:55.38 | Gnarfoz | (okay, I know why, but hey.) |
| 19:55.53 | arkanes | anyway |
| 19:55.59 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: cata ogl wow does have one |
| 19:56.03 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude * r167 chatcopy.lua: chatcopy fix |
| 19:56.08 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: finally? |
| 19:56.10 | nevcairiel | goes try |
| 19:56.13 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: no shit, 6 years? |
| 19:56.23 | arkanes | what reduce input lag does is limit your ability to do render ahead in order to get more fidelity with your actual mouse location |
| 19:56.30 | nevcairiel | oh damn, need to patch first |
| 19:56.41 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: and that's only necessary *at all* when you... use a software cursor |
| 19:56.44 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: no |
| 19:56.44 | nevcairiel | reduce input lag is also not available on opengl :D |
| 19:57.00 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: what do you think hardware cursor does anyway |
| 19:57.01 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: yes? :\ please? :\ |
| 19:57.08 | arkanes | it's not magical mouse bunnies |
| 19:57.30 | arkanes | there's software that has to know the location of the mouse cursor, and react when it moves |
| 19:57.33 | Gnarfoz | how far ahead would... the renderer (?) render if that option is turned off (which it is)? |
| 19:57.52 | arkanes | Gnarfoz: I think its normally like 5 frames |
| 19:57.53 | Gnarfoz | it's not like that's a number greater than 2 or 3 frames anyway |
| 19:57.55 | nevcairiel | you have an option in your gfx drivers, usually |
| 19:57.57 | Gnarfoz | what? |
| 19:57.58 | arkanes | doesn't make a huge difference |
| 19:58.04 | arkanes | *up to |
| 19:58.27 | Gnarfoz | triple buffered 4xAA = I'd like to see that graphics card that renders that "in time" to produce 5 frames ahead of time oO |
| 19:58.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: why not? |
| 19:58.43 | Gnarfoz | framebuffer? |
| 19:58.54 | Gnarfoz | where would it store the frames |
| 19:59.06 | nevcairiel | in that 1gb of video memory? :D |
| 19:59.27 | nevcairiel | the AA doesnt matter, its reduced in size again before its stored :d |
| 19:59.46 | Gnarfoz | MSAA |
| 20:00.26 | Gnarfoz | and you're right of course, for "storing" because it's not that specific frame's time to be displayed, yet, AA is irrelevant |
| 20:01.16 | Gnarfoz | shit, I know why I didn't start xchat for the last two weeks |
| 20:01.31 | nevcairiel | check your gfx driver options, at least nvidia has an option for that |
| 20:01.41 | Gnarfoz | cata 12164, started with -opengl: h/w cursor grayed out |
| 20:01.44 | nevcairiel | default is 3 |
| 20:01.46 | Gnarfoz | and it disabled Aero, to boot |
| 20:02.02 | arkanes | disabled Aero? |
| 20:02.04 | arkanes | thats wierd |
| 20:02.14 | nevcairiel | probably a glitch in the manifest there |
| 20:02.19 | Gnarfoz | task switcher was all "omigod opengl!" |
| 20:02.32 | arkanes | do you have bad opengl drivers? |
| 20:02.43 | arkanes | I haven't tried to run anything opengl on my windows 7 machine |
| 20:02.44 | Gnarfoz | (read: who the hell knows, firefox randomly decides to not be aero anymore, too) |
| 20:03.04 | koaschten | Gnarfoz you are not playing on a laptop are you? |
| 20:03.06 | Gnarfoz | not sure? some WHQL nvidia ones windows update gave me a while ago |
| 20:03.15 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: no, how's that related |
| 20:03.24 | nevcairiel | get the 256series beta drivers, they are really good |
| 20:03.25 | koaschten | because power settings for battery saving default to no aero |
| 20:03.27 | koaschten | at least on mine |
| 20:03.28 | MysticalOS | if windows update gave yo drivers they are at least a few releases old |
| 20:03.53 | nevcairiel | MysticalOS: nah, nvidia drivers on windows update (at least on 7) are the latest WHQL release |
| 20:04.10 | nevcairiel | i was pleasantly surprised by that |
| 20:04.28 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: what nev said, they're not old at all |
| 20:04.29 | MysticalOS | wierd, microsoft usually takes ages to approve them, by which time they are just old |
| 20:04.33 | arkanes | windows 7 really has a much improved driver story than previous windows versions |
| 20:04.41 | arkanes | I was very pleasntly surprised |
| 20:04.49 | nevcairiel | MS does give them WHQL and Windows Logo |
| 20:04.57 | nevcairiel | and nvidia only releases them once they have those |
| 20:05.00 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I doubt there's much to improve for my "shoddy" 8800GTX |
| 20:05.10 | MysticalOS | i have a windows 7 64 boot partition but i odn't really use it that much except when i want to use pctool to mess with my routers bootloader/firmware |
| 20:05.16 | Gnarfoz | (I still boggle at how fast, again, my hardware has become outdated) |
| 20:05.28 | nevcairiel | time goes by way too fast |
| 20:05.55 | nevcairiel | saying that, its 10pm already =( |
| 20:05.58 | MysticalOS | yeah my 2008 machine feels like an antique but such is the rule of computer technology |
| 20:06.40 | pentium166 | My 8800 GTS still runs whatever games I throw at it fairly well |
| 20:06.54 | pentium166 | but then, the newest games I have are Borderlands and L4D2 |
| 20:07.08 | MysticalOS | my 8800 is in closet, using an ATI 4870 |
| 20:07.11 | Gnarfoz | <@nevcairiel> saying that, its 10pm already =( <--- see above: <Gnarfoz> shit, I know why I didn't start xchat for the last two weeks |
| 20:07.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:07.27 | nevcairiel | i wasnt online much the last 10 days or so either |
| 20:07.36 | Stanzilla | and you always ignored me :( |
| 20:07.56 | Gnarfoz | I hope you're talking to nev there |
| 20:08.14 | MysticalOS | xchat is my friend, running in transparency mode with hulu in background behind the text :) |
| 20:08.23 | Gnarfoz | dirty USian! |
| 20:08.29 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 20:08.30 | nevcairiel | wtb hulu :( |
| 20:08.37 | Gnarfoz | ! |
| 20:08.57 | Gnarfoz | hah, nevermind, I'm stuck on shitty 3.5mbit again anyway |
| 20:08.58 | MysticalOS | there's always tvduck if you have some good ad blocking for all their video links |
| 20:09.09 | Repo | 10basic-chat-mods: 03funkydude 04v3.59 * r168 : |
| 20:09.12 | Repo | v3.59: Chat Scroll & Timestamps disabled in 3.3.5, implemented into the game. All modules now have 3.3.5 forward compatibility. Few TLD additions to URLCopy. Fix PARTY_GUIDE. Chat Copy icon moved for 3.3.5, also only shows when mousing over the chat tab (buggy) on 3.3.5, for now. EditBox no longer moved in 3.3.5 due to permanent tabs, might change this by hiding tabs manually. Next update after EU gets the patch... |
| 20:09.13 | nevcairiel | sounds illegal |
| 20:09.16 | durcyn | you don't want hulu, advertisements and flash bullshit, ugh |
| 20:09.16 | Gnarfoz | grrr @ 51dB... technical term I can't translate |
| 20:09.23 | MysticalOS | i'm on a 1.5Mbit that runs at .2Mbit during peak hours |
| 20:09.34 | nevcairiel | hahah shared medium |
| 20:09.43 | nevcairiel | at least my 3mbit are stable 3mbit |
| 20:09.56 | MysticalOS | more like terrible ISP that has more subscribers than their hardware can support for peak |
| 20:09.57 | Gnarfoz | idd, shared medium ftl |
| 20:10.11 | Gnarfoz | heh, well, same deal, really |
| 20:10.25 | Gnarfoz | if it wasn't a shared medium at some point, that problem couldn't exist |
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| 20:10.44 | MysticalOS | an ISP that has an area monopoly, no cable, no competitors of any sort. it's their dsl or no internet. they have no financial reason to provide better servicec :( |
| 20:10.45 | nevcairiel | usually with the DSL lines here, once you're connected, you have the speed you always have, depending on distance from the next dslam etc |
| 20:10.52 | MysticalOS | i complain they respond "you can always cancel our dsl" |
| 20:10.54 | nevcairiel | if its a bad ISP, you just dont get in during peak tiems :D |
| 20:11.17 | nevcairiel | or get disconnected randomly |
| 20:11.29 | nevcairiel | would never use a reseller |
| 20:11.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I wouldn't tout that as much as you do, with rate adaptive adsl2+ (which nearly all of T-com's competitors sell), you might just not notice that your DSL is 1mbit slower just now |
| 20:12.03 | MysticalOS | the trained speed and margin is affected by time you sync, but the hardware/server itself is where lag is, not the signal or line, so that doesn't matter. qq |
| 20:12.19 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: dunno, i'm with t-com :d |
| 20:12.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: heh, good on you |
| 20:12.43 | Gnarfoz | or bad, from another PoV |
| 20:12.52 | nevcairiel | I never had problems with them |
| 20:13.03 | nevcairiel | sure, its not the cheapest |
| 20:13.04 | Gnarfoz | just talking about the one thing they suck at: speed |
| 20:13.07 | nevcairiel | but it always worked |
| 20:13.12 | MysticalOS | heh i love how i side track the conversation every time i input into it :) |
| 20:13.14 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: yes :p |
| 20:13.17 | nevcairiel | vdsl50! |
| 20:13.27 | nevcairiel | cant wait to move |
| 20:13.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, you gotta move to THAT |
| 20:13.37 | nevcairiel | And i will! |
| 20:13.37 | Gnarfoz | more often than not, that is |
| 20:13.38 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:13.54 | nevcairiel | Honestly, once you get in the more central areas of HH, its everywhere |
| 20:14.03 | Gnarfoz | I'm paying way too much for this apartment I'm in now, anyway, it's not even planned as a permanent place |
| 20:14.07 | nevcairiel | I just live too far out now |
| 20:14.29 | Gnarfoz | and baden-baden is not one of the prime places as far as vdsl availability is concerned |
| 20:15.04 | Gnarfoz | at the latest, I'll move again if I get a non-...fuck my english is getting shoddy |
| 20:15.12 | nevcairiel | While kabledeutschland offers their 100/10 package for the same price as the VDSL 50/10 .. its a shared medium again.. so not sure |
| 20:15.19 | Gnarfoz | ~x de en unbefristet |
| 20:15.27 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:15.32 | Gnarfoz | great, I could have done THAT, too |
| 20:15.39 | Gnarfoz | ~pat purl |
| 20:15.40 | purl | ACTION pats purl and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 20:15.47 | nevcairiel | I was lucky to get one of those |
| 20:16.09 | nevcairiel | the .. "betriebsrat" .. didn't like the limited contract they wanted to give me |
| 20:16.12 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.14 | nevcairiel | yay :) |
| 20:16.15 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm not sure why they don't use the normal "Probezeit" stuff for this |
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| 20:16.30 | nevcairiel | 1 year contract as "probezeit"? |
| 20:16.34 | Gnarfoz | 6mo |
| 20:16.39 | Gnarfoz | which is the maximum Probezeit can be |
| 20:16.42 | Gnarfoz | (afaik) |
| 20:16.45 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 20:16.59 | nevcairiel | they wanted to give me a 1y contract as probezeit, and extend afterwards |
| 20:17.18 | nevcairiel | but like i said, wasnt liked, so i got a default 6mo probzeit in an unlimited contract instead |
| 20:17.19 | nevcairiel | good for me, i guess |
| 20:17.20 | Gnarfoz | mine's up 6 weeks before the year ends |
| 20:18.07 | Gnarfoz | not sure how close to that someone's going to make a decision if I stay or if I leave |
| 20:18.18 | Gnarfoz | s/if/about if/ |
| 20:18.49 | nevcairiel | You can hope that they give you at least 2 month advance notice, or so |
| 20:19.03 | nevcairiel | Its usually decided at that point anyway |
| 20:19.10 | Gnarfoz | anyway, perhaps I'll even move before that again, if I manage to get myself a nice, used car, seriously expanding my choice of apartments |
| 20:19.42 | Gnarfoz | because baden-baden itself is just sillily (that word itself is silly) expensive to live |
| 20:20.11 | nevcairiel | really? why? |
| 20:20.21 | Gnarfoz | not sure why, it just is ;D |
| 20:20.27 | nevcairiel | kur-ort? |
| 20:20.31 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 20:20.41 | nevcairiel | thats probably one of the reasons |
| 20:20.57 | Gnarfoz | it also allegedly is the town with the highest per capita percentage of millionaire citizens oO |
| 20:21.14 | Gnarfoz | (the kind of cars you see on the streets kind of supports that theory) |
| 20:21.49 | nevcairiel | I just know that HH has the highest absolute number of millionaires, no idea about percentage :D |
| 20:21.56 | Gnarfoz | there's an abundance of Phaetons, S-classes, A8s - that level of car |
| 20:22.42 | wink | rule out munich :P |
| 20:22.55 | wink | flats are horribly expensive here |
| 20:22.58 | Gnarfoz | anyway, being stuck with buses that don't travel their full routes after 19:30 and stop entirely at 21:30 isn't that great |
| 20:23.06 | nevcairiel | ouch |
| 20:23.32 | Gnarfoz | I'm used to Hannover's buses/trams/s-bahn - it's a day/night differnce |
| 20:23.39 | Gnarfoz | +e, somewhere |
| 20:23.55 | nevcairiel | i'm sitll looking for a nice flat in HH, but since i dont have any experience outside of HH, i don't know if its really that expensive =P |
| 20:24.00 | Gnarfoz | wink: heh, munich would be a bit far to travel to work |
| 20:24.14 | Stanzilla | munich is awesome! |
| 20:24.17 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: same, lack of experience is dangerous ^^ |
| 20:24.50 | Gnarfoz | "dude, you're getting ripped of with that place, don't take it" - "really? I hadn't noticed" ^^ |
| 20:24.54 | nevcairiel | I'm looking for up to 600 "warm" for 2 rooms, not sure if thats really much =P |
| 20:25.08 | Gnarfoz | rooms is not really relevant, m^2 is |
| 20:25.20 | nevcairiel | around 50 or so |
| 20:25.32 | Gnarfoz | and you either earn a lot or you're just ready to spend a lot on your apartment |
| 20:26.07 | Gnarfoz | I'd consider 600eur "too much" for 50m^2, but like I said, I'm not any bit more experienced at prices than you're :D |
| 20:26.41 | arkanes | in dollars, that would be an enormous amount |
| 20:26.45 | nevcairiel | I did figure out that HH is apparently not the cheapest city to live in |
| 20:26.59 | Gnarfoz | arkanes: these days, it's getting closer and closer to being 1:1 again. ;D |
| 20:27.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: you don't say! :D |
| 20:27.05 | arkanes | more than you'd pay anywhere except the most expensive, inflated, claustrophobic areas |
| 20:27.16 | arkanes | it's at like 1.5 right now isn't it? |
| 20:27.27 | Gnarfoz | HH being Hamburg, our 2nd or 3rd biggest city, I'd say those adjectives apply |
| 20:27.28 | nevcairiel | But i do earn enough to afford the 600, still coming out to around 700-800 extra a month, after food and other expenses |
| 20:27.32 | arkanes | oh, wait, and I didn't do my m->ft conversion correctly |
| 20:28.05 | arkanes | that would probably be reasonable in an ubran area |
| 20:28.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: hm. what's that then? 3k/month brutto? (let me guess, there's no english word for that and they just say "before taxes"? ^^) |
| 20:28.25 | Gnarfoz | ~x de en brutto |
| 20:28.28 | nevcairiel | 3.1 |
| 20:28.36 | Gnarfoz | hm. gross and net, yeah. |
| 20:29.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nice sum (badly translated german idiom alert) |
| 20:29.20 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:29.29 | nevcairiel | Yeah i'm kinda happy with the job i got |
| 20:29.57 | Gnarfoz | I hope there's some possibility of improvement for my salary when the time comes (if it comes, which I hope) to make a permanent contract |
| 20:29.58 | nevcairiel | speaking of, i still have some tired'ness in me from the weekend that i should sleep of before work tomorrow |
| 20:30.32 | nevcairiel | so, good night! |
| 20:31.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: haha, it's amazing how our lives are similar in multiple different ways right now - I slept from 6:30 to 9:30 today before going to work - "slept too long on the weekend" syndrome. I was planning on going to bed at 20:00 at the latest, but then I fired up xchat. ;D |
| 20:31.44 | nevcairiel | too long on the weekend? |
| 20:31.46 | nevcairiel | i wish |
| 20:31.52 | nevcairiel | i barely got any sleep |
| 20:32.03 | nevcairiel | btw, wodka-melon is evil |
| 20:32.09 | Gnarfoz | teehehe |
| 20:32.29 | Gnarfoz | I don't know anyone in this town to drink with, yet, not that I'm really much of a drinker, anyway |
| 20:32.38 | nevcairiel | neither am i |
| 20:32.44 | nevcairiel | just a handful of weekends in the year |
| 20:32.47 | nevcairiel | and this was one of them |
| 20:33.14 | Gnarfoz | http://entertain.eki.t-home.de/hilfe-und-service/verfuegbarkeit-vdsl-ausbaustatus/ is taunting me |
| 20:33.17 | nevcairiel | too bad i don't have time to go the hurricane in two weeks |
| 20:34.17 | nevcairiel | that would've been another one ... but not this year =P |
| 20:34.51 | nevcairiel | hm the HH dot is getting bigger |
| 20:34.54 | nevcairiel | inputs address |
| 20:34.59 | Gnarfoz | good idea: I'll probably do a Mietgesuch next time around, too, "40-60m^2 apartment, WITHIN DARK PINK AREA at this URL: is.gd/blah" |
| 20:35.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:35.34 | nevcairiel | use immobilienscount24 |
| 20:35.42 | Gnarfoz | nah, they're not really good |
| 20:35.45 | nevcairiel | they have integration with vsdl-ausbaustatus |
| 20:35.48 | nevcairiel | =P |
| 20:36.04 | Gnarfoz | only works if the landlord/seller actually puts in the full address |
| 20:36.11 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:36.15 | Gnarfoz | plus, 90%+ of their listings are from middlemen |
| 20:36.18 | Gnarfoz | ~x de en makler |
| 20:36.21 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 20:36.23 | Gnarfoz | (shit I'm bad at english now) |
| 20:36.30 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 20:36.45 | nevcairiel | but people are getting smarter, everyone has a broker these days |
| 20:36.53 | nevcairiel | unless you get in a .. |
| 20:36.59 | nevcairiel | ~x de en genossenschaft |
| 20:37.08 | nevcairiel | probably wrong word for it |
| 20:37.10 | Gnarfoz | thought about that (and that translation fails) |
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| 20:37.36 | Gnarfoz | I'm not really ready to pay 1x or 1.5x of the Mietkaution to the broker (and *that* money I wouldn't get back afterwards) |
| 20:37.46 | Gnarfoz | ~x de en mietkaution... security blah |
| 20:37.48 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:37.57 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 20:38.33 | nevcairiel | its like 1.5x to the landlord, and the same to the broker |
| 20:38.37 | nevcairiel | and only one you get back |
| 20:38.37 | haste | ~x no en hei og hå! |
| 20:38.43 | haste | purl: :( |
| 20:38.44 | purl | [(] feeling blue |
| 20:38.54 | Gnarfoz | what? |
| 20:38.55 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:39.01 | haste | purl: :) |
| 20:39.02 | purl | (: |
| 20:39.03 | nevcairiel | ~:( |
| 20:39.04 | purl | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
| 20:39.09 | haste | durr |
| 20:39.33 | Gnarfoz | Genossenschafts-apartments have the distinct advantage of the landlord not being some random dude/dudette who can't really help you with shit if something's up/broken/trouble |
| 20:39.40 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:39.54 | Gnarfoz | (at least, there's always the possibility that you get such a landlord, the other extreme is certainly also out there) |
| 20:40.35 | nevcairiel | my insurance broker also has two flats for rent, and i like the guy, sadly they are occupied =P |
| 20:40.48 | Gnarfoz | I should look into that for real next time, genossenschaften |
| 20:41.05 | Gnarfoz | I already researched a bit, there's only two small ones in the vicinity, IIRC |
| 20:41.17 | nevcairiel | you usually have to "buy-in" for the same money you would give the broker probably |
| 20:41.21 | Gnarfoz | nothing like Heimkehr or Wuestenrot or something |
| 20:41.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yup, that's the deal normally |
| 20:41.45 | Gnarfoz | but they're actual shares |
| 20:41.49 | Gnarfoz | so you give them back when you move out |
| 20:42.02 | nevcairiel | My father is a member of one genossenschaft in HH, i could probably get in for free or cheaper |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | so it's really more like a second kaution than a provision |
| 20:42.20 | nevcairiel | but sadly their flats are in a part of the city thats pretty far away from work |
| 20:42.40 | Gnarfoz | see above, next item on my "shopping list" is a car ;D |
| 20:42.58 | nevcairiel | forget it, that takes longer then going by underground |
| 20:43.00 | Gnarfoz | just to improve my mobility, so I can consider more apartments |
| 20:43.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah, for HH I can absolutely understand that |
| 20:43.43 | Gnarfoz | (same for H, depending on where you are and where you want to go, it's not as bad as HH, it's only 1/2 or 1/3 the size) |
| 20:44.06 | Gnarfoz | but BAD is like, 1/10 the size of H :X |
| 20:44.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:44.26 | nevcairiel | never been there |
| 20:44.29 | Gnarfoz | but placed between some mountains and hills and whatnot |
| 20:44.37 | Stanzilla | haaaate, 3km missing and I could have vdsl :( |
| 20:44.47 | nevcairiel | 3km is quite alot for vdsl |
| 20:44.58 | nevcairiel | the maximum line length is like 500m or so =P |
| 20:45.08 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: haaate, my subscriber line is 3,3km, that's why it syncs at ~4M brutto, instead of 10M or 16M :D |
| 20:45.25 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 20:45.37 | nevcairiel | hey, we pay a 6 line as well, and get 3 out of it |
| 20:45.39 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: probably 3km to the next bigass ugly box |
| 20:45.44 | Gnarfoz | (read: outdoor dslam) |
| 20:46.22 | Gnarfoz | I wonder... my parent's place is right between two of them, probably would have been fucked there, too |
| 20:46.22 | nevcairiel | you know whats fun, when a car crashes into one of those |
| 20:46.46 | Gnarfoz | "sorry, you're too far away..." "BUT THEY'RE RIGHT *THERE*" "sorry, neither is close enough" "*RAGE*" |
| 20:47.09 | Gnarfoz | should get a job in Cologne, tbh. FTTB <3 |
| 20:47.23 | nevcairiel | I couldn't stand living in cologne, tbh |
| 20:47.29 | nevcairiel | Its a nice town.. to visit |
| 20:47.31 | Gnarfoz | that I can't comment on |
| 20:47.47 | Gnarfoz | besides their carneval bullshit, obviously |
| 20:47.57 | nevcairiel | seriously |
| 20:48.19 | nevcairiel | I always just hear "have to be from cologned to understand that" |
| 20:48.22 | nevcairiel | -d |
| 20:48.36 | Gnarfoz | s/from cologne/nuts/ |
| 20:48.40 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:49.19 | nevcairiel | anyway, sleepz now! |
| 20:49.31 | Gnarfoz | good call on that |
| 20:49.51 | Gnarfoz | *re-sets alarm clocks* |
| 20:49.56 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 20:50.00 | nevcairiel | thanks for reminding me :P |
| 20:50.20 | nevcairiel | 6am .. brrr |
| 20:51.38 | Gnarfoz | I had one set to 3am, in case I actually got to bed at 20:00 |
| 20:52.05 | Gnarfoz | so I could get some PC time in there... well, I guess I spent that time alreay |
| 20:52.07 | Gnarfoz | +d |
| 20:53.20 | Gnarfoz | also, for when we meet again, nevcairiel: suexec sucks! mod_userdir+mod_suexec(-custom) = no go |
| 20:53.42 | Gnarfoz | it's apparently not even a problem of the seriously lacking documentation, it's simply broken. ^^ |
| 20:53.49 | Gnarfoz | but that's for another day |
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| 21:31.32 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r175 / (13 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 21:31.33 | Repo | MorgDKP2 |
| 21:31.35 | Repo | -fix difficulty for dynamic instances |
| 21:31.36 | Repo | -added new DKP module similar to SK |
| 21:31.37 | Repo | -itempoints now shown as 0 in random mode |
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| 23:01.48 | steev | if i do a name change, will it boot me from my guild? |
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| 23:05.20 | arkanes | shouldnt |
| 23:06.11 | durcyn | no. |
| 23:07.09 | durcyn | but that's what manual /gremove is for, absolutely retarded namechanges |
| 23:16.24 | steev | heh |
| 23:16.41 | steev | i'm not naming myself nicolasrage, or tomcrusader |
| 23:17.43 | NivFreak | we had an app named stabanaga |
| 23:17.51 | NivFreak | he didn't get a trial |
| 23:18.08 | NivFreak | I'm sure he thought it was clever though |
| 23:20.21 | MysticalOS | wow, teases, http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/07/apple-announces-safari-5/ only to pull it right after. |
| 23:25.23 | Antiarc | This is the best license plate ever. |
| 23:25.24 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/pmRJX.jpg |
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| 23:51.20 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r292 / (2 files in 2 directories): categorize some potions, indestructible and wild magic. |
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