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| 00:00.15 | Repo | f0bf99a: Removing bag bar file. |
| 00:00.16 | Repo | d5c7cd3: Removing ugly buttons that toggle the bags and micro menu. |
| 00:01.43 | Morwrath | Anyone familiar with uploading files to WOWAce? I looked in the knowledge base and it says to look under the Project Actions button... but every time I check under there then there isnt any Upload Files options. the only thing I can find is the whole repository thing. |
| 00:12.13 | Repo | 10bugsack: 03Rabbit * r225 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 00:12.15 | Repo | Re-try LSM3 in :OnError because a 3rd party addon with embedded libs might have it laying around, which confuses our interface option screen. |
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| 00:17.46 | Surehand | Morwrath: wowace requires you to use a revision control system. As such you cannot simply upload files |
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| 05:54.56 | Repo | 10libbabble-npc-description-3-0 (experimental): 03arith 04Beta-3 * r11 : Tagging as Beta-3 |
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| 07:41.24 | asmodai | gah |
| 07:41.32 | asmodai | wtf is up with MSN lately. keeps on hanging |
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| 07:44.35 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r362 / (3 files in 1 directory): RaidBuffStatus: |
| 07:44.37 | Repo | - Added a check for Heroic presence in the talent specialisations window. |
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| 07:50.33 | Repo | Add a 5sec warning for the meteor and some sounds on shadow/fire debuff. |
| 07:51.08 | Repo | 10librescomm-1-0: 03myrroddin * r50 / (3 files in 2 directories): Added @project-version@ tag to .toc |
| 07:51.10 | Repo | LibResComm-1.0.lua should be cross-realm aware for both target and sender |
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| 07:55.21 | Brybry | this is all your fault |
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| 08:01.29 | mitch0 | didum |
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| 08:11.35 | Myrroddin | hmmm I posted on the library thread, but the keyword substitution did not work for LibResComm-1.0 ... should have bumped the minor to 50, but it is still 48... anyone willing to poke a stick to see what's up? |
| 08:15.35 | Myrroddin | does the keyword "revision" need to be capitalized? |
| 08:17.32 | Myrroddin | example: $REVISION: 99 $ instead of $Revision: 99 $ or $revision: 99 $ ? |
| 08:20.07 | asmodai | Nah |
| 08:20.11 | asmodai | $Revision$ ought to work |
| 08:21.11 | Pucmel | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.advanced.props.special.keywords.html |
| 08:21.14 | Pucmel | if you are using svn :)( |
| 08:22.53 | mitch0 | "|cff000000 This is black |cffffffff this is white |r is it black again?|r" <- will that work? will the last part be black again, or it's not possible to nest color specs? |
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| 08:28.56 | Myrroddin | asmodai yes, using SVN... I think the propset is missing ... http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=303533#post303533 for clear question |
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| 08:34.03 | Myrroddin | hello mr tekkub |
| 08:36.46 | asmodai | Myrroddin: ah yea |
| 08:37.12 | asmodai | so svn propset svn:keyword Rev |
| 08:37.16 | asmodai | from the top of my head |
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| 08:37.38 | Myrroddin | asmodai do i put that at the top of the lua file? |
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| 08:39.17 | mitch0 | svn:keywords |
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| 08:47.16 | asmodai | Myrroddin: oh no no |
| 08:47.18 | asmodai | mitch0: ah, plural |
| 08:47.21 | asmodai | mitch0: always confuse that |
| 08:47.27 | asmodai | Myrroddin: per dir/file you do that |
| 08:47.37 | asmodai | svn propset svn:keywords Rev <file> |
| 08:47.39 | asmodai | svn commit |
| 08:47.59 | Myrroddin | you mean it is done in tortoiseSVN? |
| 08:48.02 | asmodai | Myrroddin: It's a property you set on a file |
| 08:48.08 | asmodai | Myrroddin: yea, select svn -> properties |
| 08:48.32 | asmodai | Then new |
| 08:48.47 | asmodai | select svn:keywords from the drop down |
| 08:49.09 | Myrroddin | got it so far |
| 08:49.11 | asmodai | Enter Rev in the textbox |
| 08:49.15 | asmodai | OK, OK |
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| 08:49.26 | asmodai | and then you should be able to commit the file |
| 08:50.01 | Myrroddin | ooooohhhhhhhhhh now, that IS cool |
| 08:51.08 | Repo | 10librescomm-1-0: 03myrroddin * r51 LibResComm-1.0/LibResComm-1.0.lua: SVN keyword: Revision fix |
| 08:53.30 | vhaarr | mitch0: no |
| 08:55.09 | asmodai | Myrroddin: It's an optional system since it makes no sense for, say, binary files or files where you never use these keywords. A bit of a hassle initially setting it up, but hey. |
| 08:55.15 | asmodai | It's a one time thing in general. |
| 08:55.27 | Myrroddin | just need an admin to push r51 of LibResComm-1.0 to Curse, and life is good! |
| 08:55.55 | Myrroddin | asmodai, i learned something cool about SVN, so i'm a happy camper in my world |
| 08:56.42 | asmodai | Myrroddin: There's more properties, e.g. eol-style |
| 08:56.57 | asmodai | Myrroddin: So you can set it to native, meaning line endings change on checkout to match the platform you are on. |
| 08:57.10 | Myrroddin | i use eol all the time. mostly because i keep getting bugged during commits if i don't |
| 08:57.16 | asmodai | nods |
| 08:58.47 | Myrroddin | anyway, like i said, i learned something cool, and LRC-1 is now cross-realm aware for senders and their targets, which is even better |
| 09:00.03 | Repo | 10bugsack: 03Rabbit * r226 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 09:00.04 | Repo | Make sure we register our Fatality sound when LSM is eventually available. |
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| 09:36.44 | asmodai | koaschten: http://i.imgur.com/RG8Wl.png |
| 09:36.50 | asmodai | ^ this |
| 09:39.45 | Megalon | You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks |
| 09:40.09 | Megalon | so apparently, posting http://memegenerator.net/scared-white-girl/ImageMacro/1532298/scared-white-girl-I-found-her-using-RealID-Now-we-can-RP-in-real-life-3.jpg in the "blizz makes realid forums" thread |
| 09:40.16 | Megalon | counts as: Do not post unless you have something new and worthwhile to say. |
| 09:40.17 | Megalon | :( |
| 09:41.07 | Kalroth | orly |
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| 09:44.49 | TNSe | asmodai :D |
| 09:44.58 | TNSe | "and suddenly /v/ sees why this is a bad idea" |
| 09:45.03 | asmodai | heh |
| 09:45.14 | asmodai | http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function |
| 09:45.40 | TNSe | I think I sawt hat one |
| 09:45.45 | asmodai | Can we say the realid thread @ wowforums is over 9000? |
| 09:45.55 | TNSe | I'm not as worried about people finding the names of idiots from the forums asmodai |
| 09:46.01 | asmodai | (meme reference that's actually true ;)) |
| 09:46.03 | TNSe | I'm afraid that someone is idiot |
| 09:46.05 | TNSe | and has same name as me |
| 09:46.10 | TNSe | THAT is what worries me |
| 09:46.14 | TNSe | as my name is fairly common |
| 09:46.34 | Wobin | If you have a common name, you're safer than someone with a more unique one |
| 09:46.39 | TNSe | no |
| 09:46.47 | TNSe | serial killers are called SERIAL for a reason |
| 09:46.59 | Wobin | Cause they like numbers? |
| 09:47.08 | TNSe | no, they hate breakfast. |
| 09:47.15 | Wobin | Then they'd be Cereal Killers |
| 09:47.18 | Wobin | learn to spell =( |
| 09:47.29 | TNSe | learn to funny! |
| 09:47.31 | Wobin | So your name is John Smith |
| 09:47.36 | TNSe | and? |
| 09:47.43 | Wobin | You're worried some serial killer will come and kill all John Smiths? |
| 09:47.46 | TNSe | yes |
| 09:47.54 | TNSe | police wont catch on fast enouh |
| 09:48.06 | Wobin | Perhaps you should hide in your basement now |
| 09:48.08 | Wobin | just in case |
| 09:48.10 | TNSe | Problem is I'm John. A. Smith so he'll go for me first. |
| 09:48.27 | Wobin | They're serial killers |
| 09:48.29 | Wobin | they're not stupid =P |
| 09:49.26 | TNSe | imagine if its a dyslexic serial killer |
| 09:49.32 | TNSe | then everyone is in danger |
| 09:52.31 | asmodai | My name is quite unique :( |
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| 09:56.01 | Myrroddin | same here. i am not happy about this realID on the boards. not happy at all |
| 09:57.47 | TNSe | Never posted on blizz forums |
| 09:57.48 | TNSe | never will |
| 09:58.02 | TNSe | But there is going to be a lot of problems for blizzard if this goes through |
| 09:58.13 | TNSe | + every time a GM says to "post that on the boards" |
| 09:58.24 | TNSe | I'll go "no, I do not wish to reveal my name, so you are going to help me now." |
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| 10:05.53 | Myrroddin | TNSe .... yep. 100% |
| 10:06.59 | asmodai | http://i.imgur.com/hSFUC.jpg <-- just wow |
| 10:08.10 | Myrroddin | it would help if i could read arabic |
| 10:08.23 | asmodai | the translation is below |
| 10:08.57 | asmodai | His name is Yousef Rashidi and seems to be condemned to execution when he raised this writing during Iranian president visit to a university. |
| 10:09.57 | Myrroddin | ah... wasn't sure if that was the translation, or somebody's caption for the picture |
| 10:13.19 | Torhal | Myrroddin: So my suggestion did the trick? |
| 10:13.58 | Myrroddin | Torhal, i haven't tested it absolutely thoroughly, but based on a couple of resses, it looks like it works, yes |
| 10:14.35 | Myrroddin | i know LRC-1 did need that code update. what needs testing now is smartres2 with the latest alpha of LibResComm |
| 10:14.59 | Myrroddin | i don't want to commit a new sr2 alpha just to bundle the lrc-1 alpha, unless i really need to |
| 10:15.47 | Myrroddin | rather test them both together in alpha builds, then commit once LRC gets its next beta |
| 10:15.55 | Torhal | That would be best for optimal testing... |
| 10:16.25 | Myrroddin | push a new commit of sr2 to get the newest alpha of lrc you mean? do it anyway? |
| 10:17.00 | Torhal | Yank tag: latest from SR2's .pkgmeta entry for LRC1 so it's using the latest alpha version - you'll have more testers that way...at least, from the people who download alphas of SR2 |
| 10:17.18 | Torhal | Anywho - need to get ready for work. |
| 10:18.04 | Myrroddin | how do i push a new version without changing files? |
| 10:18.53 | Myrroddin | er, i mean, how do i force a commit? |
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| 10:22.39 | asmodai | You cannot, short of changing the file and committing. |
| 10:25.16 | Myrroddin | gah... thought so |
| 10:27.47 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r146 SmartRes2.lua: |
| 10:27.49 | Repo | Push new version to use latest alpha of LibResComm-1.0, which has cross-realm awareness of targets and ressers. Needs LOTS of testing please and thank you! |
| 10:27.50 | Repo | No changes other than that since previous build of SmartRes2 |
| 10:31.19 | asmodai | ouch, rumour has it MS only sold 503 of their Kin mobiles XD |
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| 10:47.57 | Myrroddin | well, bedtime |
| 10:48.19 | Myrroddin | then work, then date with a stripper. no, really.. i am not joking LOL |
| 10:48.50 | Megalon | you meet your mom again? that's nice |
| 10:48.56 | Megalon | scnr :P |
| 10:49.27 | Myrroddin | "scnr"? |
| 10:49.54 | Myrroddin | nah, my mom meets up with a coworker of mine. at least, that's the going joke |
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| 10:58.46 | sbu | female stripper, right? |
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| 11:50.45 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.3 mMicroMenu.lua: [+1 commit] Removed more unused code |
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| 12:30.01 | Kalroth | Get out and push, kagaro |
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| 12:34.10 | Repo | 10amc: 03arith * r86 / (12 files in 3 directories): remove the use of LibBabble-NPC-Description |
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| 13:00.48 | TNSe | lol |
| 13:00.59 | TNSe | just realized that many countries are now going to ban wow <_< |
| 13:01.11 | TNSe | australia might be first out, but UK is probably right behind |
| 13:04.33 | krka | ban for what? |
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| 13:08.35 | TNSe | because they are giving out real names of people. |
| 13:08.55 | TNSe | There are no laws directly about it, but they acn give it an excessively high age rating, or just ban it |
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| 13:13.47 | TNSe | this is a major danger for kids |
| 13:13.52 | TNSe | not adults who know what they are doing |
| 13:14.07 | TNSe | so its going to need a rating of 16 or 18 or higher, maybe as highas 21 in australia |
| 13:15.09 | lozon | I thought they were just doign that for the forums? |
| 13:15.36 | TNSe | forums are an optional streamlined part of the entire game package |
| 13:18.56 | TNSe | I mean, in starcraft 2 I can click a link and end up on the forums |
| 13:19.02 | TNSe | I eblieve I can do that in wow as well |
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| 13:45.47 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r240 / (3 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 13:45.49 | Repo | *3.02.47 (08-JUL-2010) BETA 23-15* |
| 13:45.50 | Repo | * changed - ldb currency object will now allow you to monitor an unlimited number of currencies (not linked to the 3 blizzard tracking choices) |
| 13:45.51 | Repo | * changed - internal mount data to handle water mounts and better handle combination land/air mounts |
| 13:45.52 | Repo | * changed - rules broken out into seperate addon (you can disable this addon to save some memory if you do not use rules at all) so custom rule fucntions can be created if required |
| 13:46.32 | steev | http://www.flickr.com/photos/23301604@N07/4764273405/ |
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| 13:50.47 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.47 BETA 23-15 * r241 : (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 13:50.49 | Repo | *3.02.47 (08-JUL-2010) BETA 23-15* |
| 13:50.50 | Repo | * changed - ldb currency object will now allow you to monitor an unlimited number of currencies (not linked to the 3 blizzard tracking choices) |
| 13:50.51 | Repo | * changed - internal mount data to handle water mounts and better handle combination land/air mounts |
| 13:50.53 | Repo | * changed - rules broken out into seperate addon (you can disable this addon to save some memory if you do not use rules at all) so custom rule fucntions can be created if required |
| 13:51.13 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 13:53.11 | Fisker | the replicators Kaelten |
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| 14:00.05 | Repo | 10lib-stonegui (experimental): 03zys924 * r25 Widgets (3 files in 1 directory): ComboBox now will filter link value |
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| 14:19.51 | Ackis | ~seem tuller |
| 14:19.55 | Ackis | ~seen tuller |
| 14:19.57 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 14h 47m 13s ago, saying: 'i would guess whenever they feel they've stabilized their changes to the UI enough'. |
| 14:19.57 | Ackis | derp |
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| 14:37.32 | harl | hopes that female worgen won't have too much of a draenei feel to them. |
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| 14:41.00 | Megalon | hopes they setup livestreams from the worgen starting zone at the next furrycon |
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| 14:49.08 | harl | ;) |
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| 16:28.35 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r655 SpecTabs/core.lua: Fix SpecTabs not updating after a new pet has been tamed. |
| 16:28.44 | Repo | 10fortress: 03Borlox 07master * 1.14-beta2-2-g9389b0d / (4 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 16:28.46 | Repo | 9389b0d: Updated enUS and deDE locale |
| 16:28.47 | Repo | b2a1070: Added blockFadeOutAlpha to control the alpha of a 'hidden' block. |
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| 16:33.06 | Repo | 10bugsack: 03Rabbit * r227 BugSack.lua: Fix error for people without LSM3. |
| 16:33.07 | yoshimo | can we log all red error messages wow prints for "spell not ready, target dead" and so on somehow? |
| 16:33.18 | vhaarr | yoshimo: ErrorMonster |
| 16:33.33 | yoshimo | doesnt it just hide them? |
| 16:33.43 | durcyn | it pipes them to libsink if you want |
| 16:33.58 | vhaarr | point is, it will show you how to catch them? |
| 16:34.21 | vhaarr | durcyn: yes and LibSink has a "None" output, which then hides them |
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| 17:08.08 | Repo | 10gridstatusdistance: 03slaren * r5 GridStatusDistance.lua: - Workaround to resolve a conflict with carbonite |
| 17:08.09 | Repo | - Fixed problem when changing one of the colors |
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| 17:25.48 | Pneumatus | oh Prat, why did you default to requiring Alt to cursor move in the editbox :< |
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| 17:33.51 | koaschten | is it just me or is power auras really an idle cpu hook? |
| 17:34.15 | yoshimo | im looking for a program that can transmit chat&files over the local network and should work on both windows and mac,anyone of you an idea what i could use? |
| 17:34.16 | Gnarfoz | it's called OnUpdate ;D |
| 17:34.34 | koaschten | dropbox? |
| 17:34.34 | koaschten | ^^ |
| 17:34.35 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: trillian? |
| 17:35.03 | koaschten | Gnarfoz you tried to joke when you suggested power aura's fires on an OnUpdate no? |
| 17:35.09 | yoshimo | i dont have internet access on all the computers, if that works gnarfoz, why not? |
| 17:35.13 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: no? |
| 17:35.27 | koaschten | (imagine a paint face going all FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU) |
| 17:35.27 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: huh? you said local network, I answered for "local network" |
| 17:35.47 | Gnarfoz | it should support bonjour |
| 17:35.48 | Pneumatus | set up a jabber server! |
| 17:36.13 | yoshimo | well gnarfoz, i was confused because trillian means msn icq and related for me^^ |
| 17:36.25 | Pneumatus | i think trillian does have a bonjour module tho |
| 17:36.45 | koaschten | Gnarfoz is there a replacement that does similar but with a better implementation? |
| 17:36.50 | Gnarfoz | yoshimo: yes, it's an IM client, supporting, amongst others, bonjour :) |
| 17:37.04 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: SexyAuras, but he never finished it |
| 17:37.13 | profalbert | Pidgin too supports bonjour I think |
| 17:37.29 | Pneumatus | yeh, it does |
| 17:37.38 | Gnarfoz | also, SSD & 2x 2tb are here, gotta install :> |
| 17:37.45 | Pneumatus | its only windows though, isnt it? |
| 17:37.59 | profalbert | pidgin is gtk |
| 17:38.01 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: windows, mac, iphone, afaik. |
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| 17:38.17 | profalbert | on mac there's another GUI for it (Adium) |
| 17:38.28 | Gnarfoz | http://www.trillian.im/ |
| 17:38.50 | profalbert | Is trillians bonjour-support out of the box or via plugin? |
| 17:39.07 | profalbert | cause last time I checked you need pro for plugins |
| 17:39.11 | Gnarfoz | since trillian is modular, that question answers itself ;p |
| 17:39.25 | profalbert | you need pro to install the jabber plugin |
| 17:39.26 | Gnarfoz | every protocol it supports is a plugin^^ |
| 17:40.32 | Pneumatus | trillian lists bonjour under its "major instant messaging services" |
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| 17:40.45 | Pneumatus | which would indicate it ships with it, i guess |
| 17:40.52 | Gnarfoz | profalbert is at version 3.0 info |
| 17:41.07 | Gnarfoz | but 3.0 hasn't been the current version vor a while =) |
| 17:41.11 | Gnarfoz | https://www.trillian.im/learn/tour-features.html#Bonjour |
| 17:41.12 | profalbert | that's when I stopped using trillian ;) |
| 17:41.34 | profalbert | because I discovered that there is free software that can do the job just as good |
| 17:41.52 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 17:42.02 | Gnarfoz | if you're talking about pidgin, I'm laughing at you right now |
| 17:42.13 | yoshimo | does miranda support bonjour? |
| 17:42.17 | koaschten | oh man, why do i start to hate random people everytime i enable cpu profiling in OptionHouse? |
| 17:42.31 | profalbert | well I don't use pidgin on windows much |
| 17:42.35 | koaschten | probably because i am in the middle of nowhere, idle for 10 minutes now and bulkmail ate 10% of all cpu cycles |
| 17:42.38 | Gnarfoz | fucking ass-backwards developers who don't listen to user feedback :F |
| 17:42.56 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: install KLHTM, twin emperors might spawn on top of you in Nagrand |
| 17:43.45 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: do you think I could... clone my windows install onto my ssd? |
| 17:43.55 | koaschten | sure |
| 17:44.04 | koaschten | i do that all the time when restoring a backup |
| 17:44.17 | koaschten | but you might want to look into "howto do it right" |
| 17:44.17 | Gnarfoz | hm. how do I make sure it thinks of the ssd as c: though? |
| 17:44.24 | koaschten | because of allignment and stuff |
| 17:44.27 | Gnarfoz | that, too |
| 17:44.33 | Gnarfoz | 4K alignment plx |
| 17:44.46 | koaschten | you just clone it with e.g. acronius rescue media ;) |
| 17:44.52 | koaschten | and tell it to make a 1:1 clone |
| 17:45.02 | koaschten | which will even copy and adjust the hdd naming |
| 17:45.07 | koaschten | then you unplug the old hdd |
| 17:45.09 | koaschten | and boot |
| 17:45.13 | koaschten | if it works |
| 17:45.14 | Gnarfoz | well, |
| 17:45.23 | Gnarfoz | I'll end up with shit aligned onto sector 63 |
| 17:45.25 | koaschten | plug in the hdd again, boot from acronis and wipe the hdd ;) |
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| 17:45.59 | koaschten | naah there is a guide out there that will let you match it alignment |
| 17:46.14 | Gnarfoz | any pointers to that one? ^^ |
| 17:46.56 | Gnarfoz | nevermind |
| 17:46.57 | Gnarfoz | http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?60340-cloning-HDD-gt-SSD-*with-alignment*-quickly-with-GParted |
| 17:48.22 | Gnarfoz | although it seems a bit weird to uncheck the option designed to accomplish the alignment |
| 17:48.42 | koaschten | http://yourbeholder.blogspot.com/2009/12/windows-7-how-to-create-aligned.html |
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| 17:51.41 | Gnarfoz | I hate that I have to rely on some tool to tell me everything is "aligned", I'd rather check myself |
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| 17:53.09 | Iblise | does the power auras author ever hang out in this channel? |
| 17:53.15 | Iblise | Smacker I believe his name is |
| 17:53.47 | Gnarfoz | I doubt that |
| 17:56.26 | koaschten | Gnarfoz you can? just learn to understand the diskpart output? ^^ |
| 17:56.42 | olafski | so gnarfoz is germany going to win the finals? |
| 17:56.51 | Gnarfoz | olafski: what |
| 17:56.54 | olafski | :-) |
| 17:56.55 | koaschten | olafski fails at soccer |
| 17:57.14 | olafski | koaschten fails at recognising irony |
| 17:57.15 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: haven't run diskpart in a year, why would I know it can output stuff like that |
| 17:57.22 | yoshimo | germany lost to spain, therfore no finals for us^^ |
| 17:57.24 | Gnarfoz | not sure how that's irony oO |
| 17:57.25 | olafski | though now I'm not sure if it was gnarfoz who said he wanted them to win |
| 17:57.31 | olafski | yoshimo: yes I was getting at that :( |
| 17:58.21 | Gnarfoz | irony is something other than you seem to think it is |
| 17:58.29 | olafski | don't really care about soccer.. maybe I'll watch the finals but I would've liked it better if it was against germany :( |
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| 17:58.46 | olafski | fine let's just call it "rubbing it in" then |
| 17:58.48 | Gnarfoz | anyway, gotta check if I have some mounting brackets I can abuse, otherwise I'll have to order some |
| 17:59.10 | Gnarfoz | or just let it dangle from the sata cable. ;p |
| 18:00.55 | koaschten | just screw it on one side of the 3.5" |
| 18:01.04 | koaschten | its not like that ssd is a brick in weight or something |
| 18:01.27 | Gnarfoz | no screws in this here case |
| 18:02.08 | Gnarfoz | actually, that's not true technically, I know where I'll put it^^ |
| 18:02.47 | Megalon | ducttake |
| 18:02.51 | Megalon | ducttape |
| 18:02.58 | Megalon | enough to 'mount' a ssd |
| 18:03.58 | durcyn | 2.5-3.5 brackets cost a whole 3 bucks |
| 18:04.27 | Megalon | but they are only viable for 2,5-3,5 stuff |
| 18:04.35 | Megalon | duct tape is viable in so many spots! |
| 18:05.02 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: that's why I said I'll order some if necessary ;p |
| 18:07.58 | quiescens | duct tapes megalon to the ceiling. |
| 18:08.24 | Megalon | you see, multifunctional. awesome! |
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| 18:18.28 | Iblise | I don't suppose anyone can tell me how to add an extra item to autohotbar? |
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| 18:26.42 | Gnarfoz | koaschten: what's that useless 100mb partition for, anyway? |
| 18:26.56 | koaschten | its the initial install shit win7 does |
| 18:27.06 | koaschten | if you format manually before install it wont do that |
| 18:27.49 | Gnarfoz | I partionioned before but left space in the beginning so win7 could create its partition itself... I guess that's why I have that useless partition there now |
| 18:40.56 | quiescens | moo? |
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| 18:51.22 | orionshock | anyone figured out if we can do addon comms over the new Battle.net? |
| 18:51.29 | orionshock | or is that tottaly out? |
| 18:55.11 | Pneumatus | there are a few new bnet funcs afaik, blizzsucks hooks a couple of them |
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| 18:58.44 | yoshimo | orionshock, i think i have seen a library that tries to do that |
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| 19:01.43 | Mikk | you can encode shit and run over the whisper channel ofc |
| 19:01.55 | Mikk | & filter so user doesnt see |
| 19:02.26 | yoshimo | like the good old times when wow didnt have the hidden addonmessagechannels |
| 19:03.38 | Mikk | exactly |
| 19:03.55 | Mikk | but there's plenty of funniness with bnet comms too |
| 19:03.56 | Mikk | like |
| 19:04.00 | Mikk | if you have two games logged in |
| 19:04.04 | Mikk | the messages always go to just one |
| 19:06.07 | genetik- | best part is, it seems random as to what one it goes to |
| 19:06.11 | genetik- | i was playing around with that the other night |
| 19:06.24 | genetik- | couldn't figure out a pattern |
| 19:13.08 | Repo | 10realid-toons: 03Starinnia * r40 Core.lua: |
| 19:13.09 | Repo | -properly embed the presenceID in the BNPlayer link generated by the addon, not sure if this was causing issues, but it's proper now |
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| 19:14.57 | yoshimo | @describe blizzsucks |
| 19:14.58 | Repo | yoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blizzbugssuck/. BlizzBugsSuck. Fixes UI bugs |
| 19:16.10 | yoshimo | why would an addon get my realname from the id system?? |
| 19:16.31 | nevcairiel | because it can |
| 19:16.56 | Cyprias | it whispers your self and watches the incoming whisper event. the event includes your realname. |
| 19:17.16 | Cyprias | duno why any addon would want my name. =/ |
| 19:18.59 | Primer | "Hi, Real Name! Go to www.buywowgold.com or we'll add your name to a sex offender's registry! Have a nice day!" |
| 19:20.32 | Kalroth | haha |
| 19:21.47 | lozon | wow, classic |
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| 19:24.06 | koaschten | http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/c0a129271278475206.jpg |
| 19:24.21 | nevcairiel | old |
| 19:24.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:25.02 | durcyn | people still read that awful comic? |
| 19:25.32 | nevcairiel | some are kinda funny |
| 19:30.33 | TNSe | that one is truth :( |
| 19:40.47 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro * r362 kgPanels.lua: |
| 19:40.48 | Repo | Make loading LibDualSpec silent since people who disembed dont know what their doing. |
| 19:41.43 | Repo | 10kg-panels: 03kagaro 04v1.5 * r363 : Tagging as v1.5 |
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| 19:44.02 | kagaro | the combatlog hanging bug sucks |
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| 19:45.22 | Niv | Shefki: so, this RealID name leakage, it takes an addon that is designed to snarf that data I assume? |
| 19:46.05 | Stanzilla | kagaro: yes very |
| 19:46.22 | Shefki | Niv: Yes. |
| 19:46.25 | Niv | k |
| 19:46.39 | Shefki | There are two ways to get it. |
| 19:46.46 | Shefki | One which is easy and can be done on demand. |
| 19:47.07 | Shefki | One which requires the Battle.Net server connection to be severed and re-established (something an addon can't do). |
| 19:47.11 | asmodai | rofl |
| 19:47.12 | Niv | I was just curious if it was exploitable without an addon that intended to expose that info |
| 19:47.13 | asmodai | http://i.imgur.com/A4uBh.jpg |
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| 19:47.49 | Cyprias | asmodai: he looks so sad. |
| 19:47.55 | Shefki | Niv: This is the basic guts of the simple method: /run BNSendWhisper(BNGetInfo(),"Test") |
| 19:48.07 | Niv | yea |
| 19:48.28 | Shefki | But you need a chat filter to capture it and hide that from the user. |
| 19:48.43 | Cyprias | http://i.imgur.com/Ia7Hz.png |
| 19:48.46 | Shefki | Otherwise the user is going to have a message in the middle of their screen that they'll be wondering what it is. |
| 19:48.53 | Niv | of course |
| 19:49.08 | asmodai | Cyprias: you're aware of the Keanu is sad meme? |
| 19:49.26 | Cyprias | asmodai: maybe |
| 19:49.35 | Niv | I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something that could be abused without an addon on the victim's side |
| 19:49.53 | Niv | otherwise that functionality doesn't surprise me much at all |
| 19:50.06 | Niv | addons need some way to get that information |
| 19:51.29 | Shefki | Niv: Blizzard actually went to some trouble to prevent us from getting the name of the player. |
| 19:51.36 | Shefki | Niv: But they left holes. |
| 19:51.54 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.58 | Shefki | That will return nothing. |
| 19:52.04 | Shefki | Even though the presenceID is valid. |
| 19:53.08 | Shefki | Niv: The problem with getting the player's name is that they may have chosen to not participate in RealID because they're concerned about their privacy. |
| 19:53.25 | Niv | agreed |
| 19:53.32 | Shefki | But their real name can still be exposed this way even though they've made that decision. |
| 19:53.35 | Niv | but if you're trying to modify things that display your real name |
| 19:53.42 | Niv | it seems likely that you need a method to get the info |
| 19:54.00 | Niv | perhaps it's bad design on blizzard's part to expose it at all if they aren't "opt'd in" |
| 19:54.01 | Shefki | Well if Blizzard wanted us to have that info they would have made it easy to get. |
| 19:54.17 | Niv | they just need to backtrack on this real name exposure shit |
| 19:54.30 | Niv | give us a unique handle and be done with it |
| 19:54.38 | Niv | why they want to open this legal shitstorm, I have no idea |
| 19:54.58 | Shefki | As it is right now turning on parental controls is the only way to fully opt out. |
| 19:54.58 | orionshock | because aparently being social is the new wave of $$ |
| 19:55.09 | orionshock | fk, everything has become about the facebook fad.. |
| 19:55.42 | Niv | people make that comparison a lot |
| 19:55.53 | Niv | but facebook, for all their faults, lets you select how much information to expose |
| 19:56.03 | Niv | now, you have to keep up with it, but you can restrict almost everything |
| 19:56.35 | orionshock | well facebook started this hole "Lets be Social" thing on the internet. so they get blamed for anything close |
| 19:57.04 | Niv | it's also amusing |
| 19:57.15 | Shefki | Facebook didn't really start it. There are numerous other social sites long before Facebook. |
| 19:57.16 | Niv | because you join facebook with the intent of being as social as you are |
| 19:57.22 | Shefki | Facebook just took it mass market. |
| 19:57.29 | Niv | Shefki: facebook just stripped a lot of the anonminity out |
| 19:57.49 | Niv | there was nothing I remember before that, which was intend that you use your real name |
| 19:58.00 | Niv | myspace, livejournal, orkut, friendster |
| 19:58.02 | Niv | none of them |
| 19:58.19 | Shefki | Niv: Quite a few people did, but you weren't required to do so. |
| 19:58.20 | Niv | and of course, it's because facebook was a local university site at first |
| 19:58.25 | Niv | Shefki: right |
| 19:58.28 | Shefki | Facebook as a policy says you can only use your real name. |
| 19:58.32 | Niv | correct |
| 19:58.43 | Niv | but once again, you don't go to facebook expecting something different |
| 19:58.48 | Niv | you go there for that level of exposure |
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| 19:58.51 | Niv | so it's kosher |
| 19:59.11 | Shefki | Yeah I don't have a Facebook account so I don't really understand the outrage at them. |
| 19:59.23 | NeoTron | I have one, but it's locked down |
| 19:59.25 | Shefki | If you don't want people to know it don't post it to Facebook. |
| 19:59.30 | NeoTron | I guess you can see my name and photo bit I really don't care |
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| 19:59.40 | Niv | mine is locked down somewhat, but I don't expose any information that I wouldn't expose on the open internet |
| 19:59.54 | NeoTron | quite a bit different than every wow/sc2 post I made being public knowledge |
| 19:59.55 | Niv | mainly because, they have a habit of exposing data first, and then allowing you to restrict it if you notice |
| 20:00.03 | Shefki | NeoTron: I agree completely. |
| 20:00.16 | NeoTron | a lot of the stuff that's available to google on me, is stuff I don't mind being out there |
| 20:00.23 | orionshock | i treat any info i put on FB as being sent to the internet regardless of what my privacy settings are... so there ain't alot there |
| 20:00.23 | Niv | yea |
| 20:00.31 | Niv | orionshock: yep |
| 20:00.36 | Niv | that's the only sane way to go |
| 20:00.41 | Niv | but I still like to restrict it |
| 20:00.53 | orionshock | well there is but, you'd know alot of it by talking with me anyways :) |
| 20:01.26 | NeoTron | right. there are people putting out a lot more info on FB than I'd ever consider |
| 20:01.47 | Niv | my wife puts a lot of info on facebook, but she did that before facebook existed |
| 20:01.59 | Niv | she's just generally a very open person |
| 20:02.04 | Niv | it drives me a bit nuts :) |
| 20:05.10 | orionshock | GRRRR! |
| 20:05.19 | orionshock | whey are they gonna open up cata invites |
| 20:06.40 | NeoTron | well... /yawn |
| 20:06.59 | NeoTron | will it annoy you if I tell you I have an F&F invite and I'm not really using it? :P |
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| 20:47.38 | Cyprias | ... |
| 20:47.59 | Cyprias | ~project jebusminimapcoords |
| 20:48.16 | orionshock | @describe jebusminimapcoords |
| 20:48.19 | Repo | orionshock: http://www.wowace.com/addons/jebusminimapcoords/. JebusMiniMapCoords. Since Cartographer is (more or less) dead, I've re-written my Cartographer_MiniMap_Coords addon to be independent. All settin... |
| 20:48.32 | orionshock | ? |
| 20:48.41 | orionshock | another craptastic rewrite of yet another useless addon |
| 20:48.48 | orionshock | ACRYAUA |
| 20:48.50 | orionshock | :) |
| 20:50.01 | durcyn | That Shit Better Be On CurseForge, TSBBOCF |
| 20:50.25 | orionshock | nope, it's on wowace |
| 20:50.35 | durcyn | fuck this corrupt earth. |
| 20:50.51 | orionshock | durcyn, lol @ acronym |
| 20:52.02 | Torhal | Can anyone here not access the forums? |
| 20:52.14 | Torhal | I keep getting 504, but can get to wowace.com and curseforge.com just fine |
| 20:52.30 | durcyn | banned for not using real name, Torhal |
| 20:52.40 | durcyn | IF THAT ACTUALLY IS YOUR NAME |
| 20:53.20 | Torhal | stabs durcyn with a tilde. |
| 20:53.49 | orionshock | Torhal, just fine here |
| 20:54.09 | orionshock | 504 is a 3rd party network error usually |
| 20:54.15 | orionshock | try rebooting to router/modem |
| 20:54.24 | orionshock | http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E504.html |
| 20:55.14 | Torhal | Meh. |
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| 21:21.29 | genetik- | hahaha |
| 21:21.31 | genetik- | that's awesome |
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| 21:49.44 | sylvaan | Pneumatus: i think i switched the default in the current alpha |
| 21:50.02 | Pneumatus | aha |
| 21:50.22 | sylvanaar | that option actually didnt even work before |
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| 22:43.26 | Shefki | Shadowed: Is there any user visible impacts of calling CombatLogClearEntries(), e.g. would it break addons. My screwing around with it makes me think it doesn't even do what the name of the function says it does. |
| 22:43.43 | Shefki | And by addons I mean addons that use the combat log filtering system. |
| 22:43.51 | Shadowed | Shefki: there isn't |
| 22:43.56 | Shadowed | and yes it does |
| 22:43.58 | Shadowed | IT clears the combat log |
| 22:43.59 | Repo | 10chatter: 03kagaro 07master * v1.2.7-3-gc218b57 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] ChatTab flashing, now an option |
| 22:46.29 | Shefki | Ahh I see, the CombatLog tab doesn't lose anything unless you change filters. |
| 22:46.37 | Shefki | But if you change filters then everything disappears. |
| 22:46.59 | Shadowed | Well the stuff that was already displayed in the combat log was displayed |
| 22:47.05 | Shadowed | clearing the entries clears the cache thought |
| 22:47.13 | Shefki | Yeah. |
| 22:47.25 | Shefki | I expected doing the clear would trigger an update. |
| 22:47.51 | kagaro | Shefki: it clears a back buffer that isnt visible |
| 22:47.53 | Stanzilla | it's still stuck after clearing for me |
| 22:48.04 | Shefki | Stanzilla: Yeah it doesn't always work. |
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| 22:48.15 | Shefki | Someone is asking me to put a fix for it in BlizzBugsSuck. |
| 22:48.16 | kagaro | clear it every 10s |
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| 22:48.34 | Shefki | But I'm not sure it really meets my criteria. |
| 22:48.37 | Shefki | It's not a great fix. |
| 22:48.44 | Shefki | And it's somewhat user visible. |
| 22:48.47 | kagaro | or montor unit_spellcast_success and if after 2s tehre isnt a combatlogevent then clear |
| 22:49.53 | Shefki | Doing ClearCombatLogEntries() will make it so if you change filters on the CombatLog tab you can't see anything before the clear. |
| 22:50.14 | Shefki | So that kinda sucks. |
| 22:56.43 | Axodious | is this gearscore realid crap rela? |
| 22:56.45 | Axodious | real *I |
| 22:56.52 | Cyprias | eh? |
| 22:56.55 | Axodious | http://www.whataboutpp.com/users/vhell/upload/gearscore32.jpg |
| 22:56.55 | Shefki | What gearscore real id crap? |
| 22:57.02 | Axodious | look at the tooltip |
| 22:57.19 | Cyprias | do not want |
| 22:57.42 | Shefki | That's fake. |
| 22:58.06 | Axodious | hope so |
| 22:58.47 | Shefki | There's no way to get the Real Name of someone not on your friends list or yourself. |
| 22:59.19 | Shefki | If there is such an exploit, the people who have it haven't shared it publically at all. |
| 22:59.39 | Axodious | apparently it's part of GS 3.2 which is in beta |
| 22:59.40 | Shefki | Though some people keep swearing that you can do it. I can't see how. |
| 22:59.47 | Axodious | and the beta page on his website is removed |
| 22:59.55 | Navv | out of curiosity, couldnt gearscore just collect this info from various people, and publish it on the addon channel to guild/party/whatever though? |
| 22:59.59 | Navv | ie, real name - char name info |
| 23:00.20 | Shefki | Navv: Hey could if he wanted to get his addon banned. |
| 23:00.33 | Shefki | I'm sure Blizzard would quickly block that. |
| 23:00.38 | Navv | yes, i agree |
| 23:00.57 | Shefki | Maybe he's trying to get them to do something about it. |
| 23:01.05 | Shefki | But I call BS to that screenshot. |
| 23:01.06 | Navv | perhaps |
| 23:01.44 | Shefki | So many people have been making a fuss about the mouseover -> Real ID stuff lately that I wouldn't doubt someone would fake a screenshot like that. |
| 23:02.01 | Navv | mouseover -> real id? |
| 23:02.05 | Shefki | And GearScore is controverial enough. |
| 23:02.21 | Shefki | Navv: There's a dozen threads with people claiming to have a macro that will tell you the real name of anyone you mouseover. |
| 23:02.29 | Navv | i see |
| 23:02.30 | Shefki | People ask for proof. |
| 23:02.38 | Shefki | They offer lame screenshots. |
| 23:02.43 | Navv | nod |
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| 23:02.55 | Shefki | IMHO that screenshot is just someone finally posting something that is well done. |
| 23:03.03 | Shefki | With GearScore being controverial already. |
| 23:03.06 | Niv | seems likely |
| 23:03.12 | Navv | yea, easy to do such a screenshot anyhow |
| 23:03.14 | Shefki | And with it not having an open development process... |
| 23:03.21 | Shefki | It makes it an easy target. |
| 23:03.52 | Axodious | on a side note (i'm assuming here so please stop me if i'm wrong) i'm gonna guess that most of the website admins for like curse and wowi don't actually like gear score, is there a particular reason it's not just banned from those websites? |
| 23:04.13 | Shefki | Axodious: What's wrong with it? |
| 23:04.24 | Axodious | it's annoying/obnoxious? >_< |
| 23:04.27 | Shefki | I think it's retarded, but I don't see why it needs banning. |
| 23:04.35 | Shefki | How is it obnoxious? |
| 23:04.50 | Mirrormn | it's just a tool that some people use poorly |
| 23:04.55 | Shefki | GearScore users might be obnoxious. |
| 23:05.00 | Shefki | But the addon certainly isn't. |
| 23:05.05 | Axodious | yeha i should've worded that better |
| 23:05.07 | Mirrormn | as a tool, it works exactly like it should |
| 23:05.12 | Shefki | I can be just as obnoxious with ElitistGroup. |
| 23:05.49 | Kalroth | ElitistGroup doesn't use the RealID exploit though |
| 23:06.01 | Mirrormn | I'm a little baffled by all the outlash againt GearScore because I used to judge people based on gear loong before it ever came out |
| 23:06.04 | Shefki | Any attempt to ban it would be pointless anyway. |
| 23:06.10 | Shefki | 20 more replacements would pop up. |
| 23:06.28 | Mirrormn | you wouldn't even need a replacement addon |
| 23:06.32 | Mirrormn | people would just check wowheroes |
| 23:06.37 | Shefki | Exactly. |
| 23:06.49 | Mirrormn | and you can't ban a 3rd party website |
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| 23:06.58 | Kalroth | That would mean they'd have to tab out of the game |
| 23:07.03 | Kalroth | And most people are lazy :) |
| 23:07.04 | Niv | Mirrormn: the backlash against gearscore is more that, it doesn't represent proper gearing |
| 23:07.11 | Niv | at least, the sane bits |
| 23:07.30 | Mirrormn | but that's exactly opposite of true |
| 23:07.45 | Niv | huh? |
| 23:08.00 | Mirrormn | the cases where max-ilvl gear is not the same thing as best in slot gear are almost non-existant these days |
| 23:08.10 | Niv | hahaha |
| 23:08.16 | Niv | no |
| 23:08.19 | Mirrormn | they were much more prevalent in BC |
| 23:08.24 | Niv | no |
| 23:08.32 | Mirrormn | now, you could maybe use a non-max-ilvl trinket |
| 23:08.32 | Niv | if you mean that |
| 23:08.33 | Kalroth | GearScore tells you that a person has managed to equip him/herself with items. Well that and their real name now too. :) |
| 23:08.36 | Niv | there is less wasted itemization |
| 23:08.38 | Niv | that's somewhat true |
| 23:09.06 | Niv | but my BiS tanking set isn't all 277 gear |
| 23:09.22 | Mirrormn | what pieces would you not wear 277 gear for? |
| 23:09.38 | Antiarc | I have 264 shoulders that are better than their 277 equivalents. |
| 23:09.44 | Stanzilla | warrior tank BiS belt and and back is 264 |
| 23:10.05 | Mirrormn | I find that hard to believe |
| 23:10.08 | Shefki | Unless you already have enough hast the TOC bracers are BiS for Resto druids. |
| 23:10.17 | Mirrormn | unless you heavily value armor over dodge |
| 23:10.20 | Mirrormn | or something |
| 23:10.20 | Shefki | Trinkets are often not always the best based on iLevel. |
| 23:10.22 | Antiarc | Which you should |
| 23:10.26 | Antiarc | Because armor is the god-stat. |
| 23:10.27 | Stanzilla | solace is the best trinket for all healers I guess |
| 23:10.29 | Stanzilla | and 258 |
| 23:10.32 | Mirrormn | yeah, I cede the point for trinkets |
| 23:10.43 | Shefki | Stanzilla: Yup Solace is still very good. |
| 23:10.46 | Slaren | that's just like 2 items anyway |
| 23:11.02 | Slaren | for most of the slots higher ilvl is still better |
| 23:11.04 | Mirrormn | 258 solace is good but the new Halion trinket is very good too |
| 23:11.08 | Shefki | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarius&n=Shefki |
| 23:11.14 | Shefki | I logged out in my LK setup. |
| 23:11.16 | Shefki | Note the bracers. |
| 23:11.30 | Shefki | I have the 277 ICC bracers. They're not better because I lose the haste. |
| 23:11.42 | Kalroth | Shitty bracers, learn to upgrade |
| 23:11.55 | Shefki | If I use the staff of LK (which I have but I didn't log in) then I use the 277 bracers. |
| 23:12.02 | Shefki | So highest iLevel isn't always better. |
| 23:12.10 | *** join/#wowace Martag (~zsc@unaffiliated/morwrath) |
| 23:12.23 | Mirrormn | well the point I was making is |
| 23:12.24 | Slaren | it doesn't need to be always better to make gs relevant |
| 23:12.24 | Shefki | And frankly the legendary outperforms everyything in the game healing wise if the absorbs will be fully used. |
| 23:13.08 | Mirrormn | due to the general standardization of item stat point budgeting that occurred in wotlk, the disconnect between ilvl and "goodness" of gear decreased from BC to wotlk |
| 23:13.28 | Shefki | Umm there was always a itemization budget. |
| 23:13.34 | *** part/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@80-121-67-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 23:13.35 | Slaren | yeah, you don't see items today like there were in BC |
| 23:13.35 | Stanzilla | Shefki: you look like a clown with that gear :D |
| 23:13.35 | Mirrormn | I know |
| 23:13.45 | Mirrormn | but in BC it was slightly more lax |
| 23:13.47 | Shefki | Stanzilla: I don't care about looks. |
| 23:13.53 | Stanzilla | just saying! |
| 23:14.23 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Also they've violtated their own budget rules in WoTLK. Algalon loot is a great example. |
| 23:14.33 | Shefki | Algalon loot was over itemized for the ilevel. |
| 23:14.35 | Mirrormn | how so? |
| 23:14.44 | Mirrormn | I don't recall that being the case |
| 23:14.51 | Axodious | you mean the 2nd bis trinket for paladins |
| 23:14.53 | Axodious | >_< |
| 23:15.00 | Stanzilla | that's 10m |
| 23:15.28 | Shefki | It most certainly was. There were items from Algalon 10 man that were same item level as items from 25 man that had better stats than the 25 man stuff. |
| 23:15.41 | Shefki | Pretty much all the 10 man loot that was the case on. |
| 23:15.50 | Mirrormn | if I recall |
| 23:16.05 | Shefki | 25 man loot was higher in item level than other loot at the time so it was less noticeable. |
| 23:16.25 | Mirrormn | most of the 226 gear from 10m hard modes were socketed, and most of the normal mode 25 man stuff wasn't, and sockets are under-budget |
| 23:16.39 | Mirrormn | could that be what you're thinking of? |
| 23:17.37 | Mirrormn | and 10m hm ulduar gear was always the same ilvl as 25m normal ulduar gear, as far as I can remember, although they did boost the ilvls of weapons a couple weeks after the instance came out |
| 23:19.11 | Shefki | Mirrormn: http://www.wowhead.com/item=46049 vs http://www.wowhead.com/item=45482 |
| 23:19.27 | Shefki | Look at the jump in haste and spellpower on the Zodiac Leggings. |
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| 23:19.47 | Shefki | You're not going to tell me that the small amount of stats they dropped from stam, int, spirit make up for the spellpower and haste. |
| 23:19.53 | Shefki | Both items are 226. |
| 23:20.05 | Mirrormn | well |
| 23:20.11 | Slaren | they do |
| 23:20.12 | Shefki | One comes from Frey in 25 man, the other from Algalon. |
| 23:20.13 | Mirrormn | that is the way it seems |
| 23:20.29 | Mirrormn | however, even if that is the case, that is strangely "off-template" |
| 23:21.36 | Mirrormn | but that kind of thing seemed much more common in BC |
| 23:23.32 | Shefki | I don't think that's a reflection on gear itemization so much as class design to allow them to usefully use more of the stats. |
| 23:24.14 | Shefki | In BC, haste was largely useless to resto druids until the change to haste impacting the GCD. |
| 23:24.19 | Mirrormn | in regards to what they changed from BC->wotlk? |
| 23:25.10 | Shefki | So you'd see a lot more gear that was "better" by the item budgeting but had junk stats on them that kept old items as the preferred item. |
| 23:26.38 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Not all of the changes I'm refering to were made in wrath. Some were made before wrath. But late in TBC. |
| 23:26.52 | Shefki | The haste change was made with 2.4 IIRC. |
| 23:27.07 | Mirrormn | well they messed with haste a lot in late tbc |
| 23:27.09 | *** join/#wowace Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 23:27.35 | Mirrormn | I recall they changed the haste rating -> percentage conversion for melee and ranged multiple times |
| 23:27.42 | Mirrormn | to try to balance it |
| 23:27.51 | Shefki | My point is just that the gear itemization hasn't really changed. The classes has changed to make a more diverse set of gear desireable. |
| 23:28.15 | Shefki | Some more than others. |
| 23:28.36 | Mirrormn | well it definitely seemed to me like wotlk gear has had a more standardized template in terms of budgeting |
| 23:29.08 | Slaren | there was a lot of cloth with mp5 in the BC, for example |
| 23:29.16 | Slaren | in the latest tiers of raids there isn't any |
| 23:30.09 | Mirrormn | more importantly, in BC, there was a lot of cloth with both mp5 and spirit, but in wotlk, they seem to have decided that mp5 and spirit are in exclusive groups and that any given item should only have one or the other |
| 23:30.31 | Mirrormn | well |
| 23:31.03 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 23:32.04 | Mirrormn | and the same goes for agility and strength, or agility and AP |
| 23:32.53 | Wobin | as a disc priest I like that they're separate |
| 23:33.07 | Shefki | Well that's certainly true. They did start avoiding mixing mp5 and spirit. |
| 23:33.15 | Shefki | I think that was an effort to make it easier on players. |
| 23:33.19 | Slaren | why would you want more regen as a disc priest anyway |
| 23:33.30 | Wobin | Slaren: because I'm not a bubblebot |
| 23:33.36 | Shefki | Mixing mp5 and spirit made it difficult for players to compare gear. |
| 23:33.41 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 23:33.43 | Slaren | well, being a bubblebot is the most mana expensive case |
| 23:33.48 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 23:33.58 | Wobin | as to why |
| 23:33.59 | Mirrormn | spamming PWS is like the only time a disc priest *can* run out of mana |
| 23:34.04 | Wobin | it's because it made gearing up easier |
| 23:34.12 | Wobin | yes |
| 23:34.21 | Wobin | and since I'm -not- rapturespamming |
| 23:34.27 | Wobin | I -can- and do run out of mana |
| 23:34.37 | Mirrormn | what? |
| 23:34.48 | Slaren | you can't really time rapture that well to always get the mana back |
| 23:34.55 | Wobin | because I'm not abusing rapture for mana |
| 23:35.06 | Mirrormn | rapture has a 15s icd |
| 23:35.06 | Wobin | also because I end up tankhealing |
| 23:35.15 | *** part/#wowace chiper_ (~chiper@wsip-70-166-91-138.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:35.18 | Wobin | Mirrormn: read up about raptureabuse =) |
| 23:35.24 | Slaren | the only other case that i can think of for running out of mana is spamming prayer of healing |
| 23:35.35 | Slaren | and if you need to do that, you would go holy anyway |
| 23:35.36 | Wobin | that happens on decimate bosses =( |
| 23:35.45 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r570 BadBoy.lua: anti-goldspam update |
| 23:35.45 | Wobin | and my other spec is shadow |
| 23:35.52 | Slaren | nah, that's just a couple of prayer of healing, not spamming them |
| 23:36.05 | Wobin | I'm doing pretty standard 10man ICC |
| 23:36.13 | Wobin | technically 'strict' |
| 23:36.17 | Antiarc | You can abuse Rapture |
| 23:36.23 | Antiarc | See: Infest |
| 23:36.31 | Wobin | Antiarc: I could. If we were up to LK |
| 23:36.32 | Antiarc | If all the bubbles pop at once you get mana back for each |
| 23:36.34 | Slaren | it is just too easy to have a shield break early |
| 23:36.43 | Wobin | Slaren: there is no 'early' =P |
| 23:36.44 | Mirrormn | ah |
| 23:36.44 | Slaren | and say goodbye to your rapture abuse then |
| 23:36.50 | Slaren | there is a cooldown on rapture |
| 23:36.55 | Wobin | yes yes. |
| 23:37.00 | Mirrormn | well that does seems like a lovely case for HLK, but that's about it |
| 23:37.09 | Wobin | I -know- how rapture spamming works =P |
| 23:37.35 | Mirrormn | I've only been able to heal normal LK25 on my alt disc priest and in that fight the infests don't even break through my bubbles |
| 23:37.47 | Wobin | Mirrormn: that's why you downscale |
| 23:37.55 | Wobin | downrank til it does |
| 23:37.58 | Mirrormn | I might give that a shot |
| 23:38.26 | Mirrormn | that seems rather irresponsible in terms of actually keeping your group from dying, though |
| 23:38.29 | Wobin | It's highly amusing to see the mana roll in when you do time things right though |
| 23:38.39 | Slaren | i don't think it is worth it tbh |
| 23:38.56 | Mirrormn | cause then any little damage keeps your shield from actually being effective |
| 23:38.56 | Wobin | In -any- case |
| 23:38.56 | Slaren | i can spam pw:s in lk hc without needing to worry about mana at all |
| 23:39.03 | Wobin | I needed mana regen as I was gearing up as a disc priest |
| 23:39.19 | Wobin | and not having it tied directly to spirit was nice |
| 23:39.44 | Wobin | Slaren: I don't have your gear level =P |
| 23:39.59 | Wobin | Some of us lesser players have to try harder |
| 23:40.21 | kagaro | Hey Shefki you there? |
| 23:40.59 | Slaren | Wobin i see your point, but my gear isn't great for a guild doing 25m lk hc |
| 23:41.14 | Wobin | ok |
| 23:41.18 | Mirrormn | what is lk hc? |
| 23:41.19 | Slaren | i am literally the worst equipped toon in my raid, just came back to the game recently |
| 23:41.26 | Wobin | "guild doing 25man Lich King Heroic" |
| 23:41.32 | Mirrormn | hc = heroic? |
| 23:41.36 | Mirrormn | never seen that before |
| 23:41.37 | Wobin | is statement enough |
| 23:42.06 | Wobin | I am "guild doing strict 10 man normal Professor Putricide" |
| 23:42.16 | Wobin | so yes, your gear is -still- infinitely better |
| 23:42.33 | Slaren | yeah, but you also need much less mana to shield in lk 10 man |
| 23:42.41 | Wobin | I wouldn't know =P |
| 23:42.47 | Mirrormn | wouldn't it be so much better if you guys had a simple objective score with which you could represent the quality of your gear ^_^ |
| 23:42.47 | Wobin | I've never done LK =P |
| 23:43.09 | Wobin | Mirrormn: well there's GS |
| 23:43.18 | Mirrormn | lol I know |
| 23:43.23 | Mirrormn | that's where this whole conversation started |
| 23:43.28 | Wobin | but the objective part is that we're pretty much playing different games |
| 23:43.35 | Wobin | on different levels |
| 23:43.46 | Wobin | disc healing on 10man is different to 25 |
| 23:43.58 | Wobin | normal vs heroic |
| 23:43.58 | Mirrormn | that's true enough |
| 23:43.59 | Wobin | etc etc |
| 23:44.08 | Mirrormn | normal vs. heroic isn't that huge of a difference |
| 23:44.16 | Wobin | just more throughput |
| 23:44.23 | Mirrormn | but 10 vs. 25 is an entirely different rotation for a disc priest |
| 23:44.33 | Wobin | for healers anyway |
| 23:44.49 | Wobin | I think I prefer the 10man disc healing |
| 23:44.58 | Mirrormn | me too |
| 23:45.46 | Mirrormn | so this issue that has been plaguing me |
| 23:46.00 | Wobin | in any case, with any encounter with a boss aoe, you can use rapturehax if you time it well |
| 23:46.12 | Mirrormn | does anyone know a simple way to disabled the resizeability of an AceGUI frame? |
| 23:46.13 | Wobin | although I wish decimate triggered it =) |
| 23:46.33 | Wobin | !api resize |
| 23:46.34 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'resize': Frame:SetMaxResize, Frame:GetMaxResize, Frame:SetMinResize, Frame:GetMinResize |
| 23:46.59 | Slaren | but i think you aren't supposed to mess with the internals of AceGUI stuff |
| 23:47.06 | Slaren | i just give up and never release the frames tho |
| 23:47.10 | Slaren | it is too restricted |
| 23:47.15 | Wobin | you could set the max and min to the same |
| 23:48.04 | Mirrormn | well that's better than my hacky solution by far, but still not as easy as it seems it should be |
| 23:49.01 | Slaren | most of the AceGUI widgets and frames just don't expose an API complete enough to do anything useful other than what it was designed to do |
| 23:49.09 | Slaren | which iirc was just AceOptions |
| 23:50.31 | Slaren | you can just do .frame and mess with that, but then you can't release the frames back to AceGUI so that they can be reused |
| 23:51.48 | Mirrormn | I guess I could get the children of .frame, find the resizer frames, and hide them |
| 23:51.50 | Torhal | If you do that, people will hunt you down. |
| 23:52.00 | Torhal | I mean, mess with .frame directly |
| 23:52.08 | Mirrormn | psh |
| 23:52.28 | Slaren | is it really that bad if you don't release the frames tho ? |
| 23:52.43 | Torhal | Seriously. The moment your AddOn starts fucking with other people's stuff, there will be hell to pay. |
| 23:52.49 | Slaren | it's either that or just don't use AceGUI, and then the frames wouldn't be reused anyway |
| 23:52.55 | Torhal | Yeah, if you're constantly allocating frames you'll bloat your memory |
| 23:53.04 | Mirrormn | I can't see why it would be any worse than just creating your own static frame and keeping it hidden |
| 23:53.05 | Slaren | well, i am not |
| 23:53.07 | Torhal | And what are you using AceGUI for? |
| 23:53.30 | Slaren | just a small configuration window for which dewdrop/aceoptions wasn't enough |
| 23:53.40 | Torhal | o.O |
| 23:54.40 | Mirrormn | I was actually just hacking together an ingame model viewer because my Wow Model Viewer kept crashing instead of actually showing models |
| 23:55.07 | Shefki | Mirrormn: Good luck with that, the WoW model viewing stuff sucks. |
| 23:55.15 | Mirrormn | how so? |
| 23:55.26 | Mirrormn | I made mine fairly successfully |
| 23:55.41 | Shefki | No way to set variations of colorings on the models. |
| 23:55.49 | Torhal | I keep asking myself why people insist on using AceGUI for things which are simple enough to do with normal Frame creation/manipulation. |
| 23:55.56 | Shefki | The preset views are screwed up on a variety of models. |
| 23:55.56 | Torhal | Then I never answer myself. |
| 23:56.15 | Mirrormn | well, some of the models are untextured, but I was really only concerned with using one of the pretextured ones |
| 23:56.25 | Shefki | Right. |
| 23:56.35 | Slaren | Torhal so if AceGUI isn't fit for simple stuff how can it be fit for more complex things ? |
| 23:57.33 | Mirrormn | more importantly, if AceGUI doesn't make things simpler than the wow widget API, what's even the point of having it? |
| 23:57.41 | Martag | Maybe the authors using it for the simple stuff know how to use it for the more complex things, thus simple stuff comes naturally? |
| 23:57.41 | koaschten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdcJVuylmsM |
| 23:57.46 | Slaren | well because it did make things simpler |
| 23:58.03 | Slaren | the code would have been easily 3 times the size without it |
| 23:58.17 | Torhal | I'm just saying - it was designed for AceConfig and not really intended for much else. Somehow, though, many people decide to try to use it to build their own GUIs instead of just using the default UI API. |
| 23:58.25 | Torhal | Maybe |
| 23:58.28 | Torhal | Maybe not. :) |
| 23:58.32 | Torhal | Anywho, gonna go eat. |
