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| 00:24.03 | Iblise | hmmm so if you are a modder its easy enough to key a get beta key? |
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| 00:33.13 | Yssaril | Iblise: not at this point ist been a while since blizz released more keys to curse/wowinterface |
| 00:34.17 | DesertDwarf | Yssaril: WoW-I got new keys yesterday. |
| 00:34.53 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: ahhh didn't know that (gussing the waitlist was longer than the number of keys they got?) |
| 00:36.35 | DesertDwarf | Yes. They got 150 keys and there were posts after that from others saying they hope the next batch has x number of keys so they can get one. |
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| 01:14.21 | starlon | Are addons even enabled in beta yet? |
| 01:14.33 | starlon | Last I checked they weren't. |
| 01:15.01 | starlon | could test that. |
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| 01:19.35 | DesertDwarf | Starlon: Not yet. |
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| 02:16.49 | Silowyi | I've come to the conclusion that I dislike it when someone asks if they can ask a question |
| 02:17.11 | Silowyi | If the answer is no, then they've already asked a question, if the answer is yes, then they've made me answer twice |
| 02:17.22 | Wobin | ~asktoask |
| 02:17.25 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:17.37 | Wobin | that neither wastes an answer, and also educates |
| 02:17.45 | Silowyi | yup |
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| 02:54.10 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx * r1310 GridFrame.lua: |
| 02:54.12 | Repo | - Fixed texture squishing fix for dead units when "show dead as full health" is disabled |
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| 03:12.33 | SqueeG | ` |
| 03:12.55 | SqueeG | Hey Silowyi, can I ask you a question? |
| 03:12.57 | SqueeG | ;) |
| 03:13.13 | SqueeG | Have a good night all :D |
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| 04:52.59 | the-golem | *grumble* |
| 04:53.46 | the-golem | setting up Profile Options aren't very easy, it seems. |
| 05:00.05 | Yssaril | the-golem: with Ace3 they are easy once you do it once :) |
| 05:01.26 | the-golem | Yssaril: well, I'm probably doing it wrong. |
| 05:02.05 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 05:02.13 | the-golem | Yssaril: is it really just the one line, like it says here? |
| 05:02.14 | the-golem | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-dboptions-3-0/ |
| 05:03.10 | Yssaril | to get the profile optiontable yes |
| 05:03.25 | Yssaril | but this does not acctualy implement profiles like its supposed to :P |
| 05:03.54 | Yssaril | if you only do that profiles will work but you would have to reloadui everytime you change them |
| 05:05.31 | Yssaril | the-golem: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-db-3-0-tutorial/ <--- is what you need to read |
| 05:05.39 | Yssaril | especially the callback part |
| 05:10.17 | the-golem | Yssaril: that's fine, but I can't even get the profile option table to load |
| 05:10.54 | the-golem | it throws an error, about how it expects a string but gets nil |
| 05:12.37 | Yssaril | how are you trying to show the profile option table and where? |
| 05:14.17 | Yssaril | the-golem: are you adding your options into the Blizzard optionframe or standalone Ace3 frame? |
| 05:14.37 | the-golem | blizoptions |
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| 05:18.57 | Yssaril | the-golem: http://paste.wowace.com/2364/ -- something i originaly lifted from Mapster |
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| 05:19.43 | Yssaril | basically adds your main optiontable to blizzoptions and then creates a function for you to add any other optiontables as a subcategory to your main one |
| 05:20.27 | Yssaril | all i do in my addons is toss the profile optiontable Ace3 gives me at this function and voila it appears as a sub option of my addon :) |
| 05:22.27 | the-golem | Yssaril: where did you get RegisterModuleOptions() from? |
| 05:23.04 | Yssaril | that function gets defined in the code i linked you |
| 05:23.19 | Yssaril | but originally i lifted it out of Mapster |
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| 05:24.21 | the-golem | I see where it's defined |
| 05:24.39 | Yssaril | but? |
| 05:24.40 | the-golem | but you don't put where you call it, so i don't really know how you use it. |
| 05:25.22 | Yssaril | a call to it would be something like self:RegisterModuleOptions('profile', LibStub("AceDBOptions-3.0"):GetOptionsTable(self.db), 'Profile') |
| 05:27.13 | Yssaril | the-golem: http://paste.wowace.com/vnt1rpbc7wioq3gm/ <--- is the entire Yssdrop code only ~400 lines should be fairly easy to follow whats going on profile whise |
| 05:28.07 | Yssaril | interesting stuff is after line 352 |
| 05:32.34 | Yssaril | the-golem: have you ever worked your way through http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/getting-started/ ?jit will basically teach you everything there is is to know about Ace3 |
| 05:33.14 | the-golem | ... |
| 05:33.20 | the-golem | my addon works 100% |
| 05:33.46 | the-golem | its just the Profile Options stuff I'm working on now |
| 05:33.47 | the-golem | and those getting started |
| 05:33.47 | the-golem | er |
| 05:34.22 | Yssaril | hehe am not doubting that your addon works but its usually that in thoes getting started pages alot of usefull stuff is explained :) |
| 05:36.57 | the-golem | The samples on that page are a bit ... |
| 05:37.03 | the-golem | well, let's just say I'm dense |
| 05:37.48 | Wobin | the-golem: you're dense |
| 05:39.14 | the-golem | And, I've read that page plenty. But, like I said, I'm dense, and I learn by doing, not by reading. And when the example given doesn't exactly work right, I ask questions. Questions that I prefer to be answered by live people, not words on a page. |
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| 05:53.05 | the-golem | aaaaaaaaaaaaand, now it works. |
| 05:53.14 | Yssaril | the-golem: woot |
| 05:53.18 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 05:53.23 | Yssaril | how did you fix it? |
| 05:53.32 | quiescens | wizard |
| 05:53.47 | the-golem | It's true, i *am* a wizard |
| 05:53.50 | the-golem | shhhh |
| 05:55.19 | the-golem | I had to change my options from self.db to self.db.profile. Then, I also had to register the suboptions, which I was neglecting todo |
| 05:55.35 | Yssaril | hehe |
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| 06:14.15 | orionshock | oy teaching someone irl about how to write addons that has little to no idea how to program... |
| 06:15.18 | quiescens | why? |
| 06:16.38 | the-golem | orionshock: you did a decent job via irc |
| 06:16.39 | the-golem | ; |
| 06:16.43 | the-golem | ;-) |
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| 17:36.58 | Shirik | does anyone here know Ackis well? Perhaps IRL? |
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| 17:45.27 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r369 / (3 files in 1 directory): RaidBuffStatus: |
| 17:45.29 | Repo | - Made the selection of whom to rez slightly less gash again. |
| 17:46.55 | kagaro | Shirik: not in RL |
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| 17:54.05 | Shirik | well if anyone manages to get in touch with him let him know I'm looking for him |
| 17:54.14 | Shirik | (and have been for like a week...) |
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| 18:00.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | hes always on |
| 18:00.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | Ackis: ping |
| 18:03.58 | Shirik | yes he's always ON |
| 18:04.02 | Shirik | but he never answers :( |
| 18:04.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~seen Ackis |
| 18:04.17 | purl | ackis is currently on #waruidev (10h 4m 16s) #sc2mapster (10h 4m 16s) #wowuidev (10h 4m 16s) #arl (10h 4m 16s) #wowace (10h 4m 16s) #curseforge (10h 4m 16s) #wowwiki (10h 4m 16s), last said: '~seen lua_bot'. |
| 18:04.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | there is an arl channel? |
| 18:04.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | i never knew |
| 18:05.15 | Shirik | .... lol, EDI is in there |
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| 19:31.32 | eblume | Hello! Is wowace down? I'm getting an unresponsive server error. |
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| 19:33.15 | Megalon | works for me |
| 19:34.55 | eblume | Hmm. Figures, I had just written up a many-paragraphs-long forum post |
| 19:35.02 | eblume | and I might have lost it. I can't get through. |
| 19:35.17 | eblume | Could you check to see if I have a post in the Addon Ideas forum for me? |
| 19:35.41 | eblume | Oh, it just came back! And I have the post again. Woo! |
| 19:36.48 | durcyn | too bad. |
| 19:37.11 | durcyn | addon ideas should be deleted and all posters therein banned |
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| 19:38.29 | eblume | :( |
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| 19:43.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | your post is there eblume |
| 19:43.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | its huge |
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| 19:49.56 | Yssaril | eblume: very amitious and as you mentioned it could potentially throttle addon comm significantly. also how would you sync data outside the guild/group would you use a regular chat channel? (using regular chat channels is not part of AceComm3) |
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| 20:04.50 | arkanes | eblume: maybe I'm missing something but it looks trivial to poison your datasets with this approach |
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| 20:05.24 | arkanes | not that other approachs are any less trivial, but I don't really see the gain here over what some other addons do, unless you're just going for the gain of having a single standaradized library for it |
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| 20:18.26 | durcyn | note to self, never use svn again |
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| 20:19.25 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 20:19.33 | durcyn | Fisker |
| 20:19.45 | Fisker | i cannot understand your irrational behaviour |
| 20:20.21 | durcyn | how is mirroring my addons on github irrational |
| 20:20.34 | Fisker | not that |
| 20:20.48 | Fisker | you publicly gave yourself a note |
| 20:20.52 | Fisker | why would you do such a thing? |
| 20:20.59 | durcyn | to piss you off |
| 20:21.03 | Fisker | that's like saying your pincode when typing it |
| 20:21.17 | Fisker | well i'm not pissed off durcyn |
| 20:21.30 | Fisker | rather i feel like i'm about to have a powerdiarrhea trip |
| 20:21.34 | Fisker | was that you? |
| 20:21.54 | durcyn | I hope so |
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| 20:48.06 | Repo | ongoing changes |
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| 20:48.39 | eblume | Yssaril: That's good to know, thank you - I might have to explicitly limit the synchronization to just such groups. In any case my intended clients are all based on guilds. |
| 20:50.01 | eblume | arkanes: Yes, poisoning is extremely simple here. I might do something trivial to make the serialization only machine-readable, but the library wouldn't provide any security mechanism. That's fine for me, it fits in my user reqs. The main point of the addon is just to create a simple, abstract interface for this kind of synchronization. |
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| 20:52.25 | arkanes | eblume: I'm thinking more about the fact that your protocol relies on clients pushing updates that they claim were sourced by another client |
| 20:52.57 | arkanes | eblume: and the data reconciliation/trust is based on the original source, not the proxy, when there is no authentication possible of the provenance of the message |
| 20:53.23 | eblume | arkanes: No no, it's important to note that they AREN'T reporting being sourced by another client. |
| 20:53.32 | arkanes | then perhaps I read what you wrote wrong |
| 20:53.32 | eblume | Sorry I should make that more clear in my example |
| 20:53.47 | arkanes | but you said that an update would be something along the lines of "data X, provided by Eve and y time" |
| 20:53.51 | eblume | I may even have written it incorrectly - because you're right, that's a key aspect, that you can't trust any transmitted value |
| 20:53.55 | arkanes | s/and/at/ |
| 20:55.28 | eblume | Hmm I'll need to look at the wording |
| 20:55.34 | eblume | I see this line: "with the minor change that he records the data as having been sent by Alice." |
| 20:55.58 | eblume | But I should probably rewrite it as saying explicitly that Bob doesn't trust that Eve sent the data, he just knows that Alice sent it to him. |
| 20:56.47 | eblume | Thanks for the catch! |
| 20:57.26 | eblume | By the way - do you know of another addon that does this? It's pretty simple aside from some minor callback overhead - it's just AceComm with a date stamp, basically. |
| 21:00.34 | arkanes | sure lots of addons do this or similar things |
| 21:00.52 | arkanes | altoholic uses it to sync up guild bank contents and tradeskills |
| 21:01.04 | eblume | Any libraries though? |
| 21:01.06 | arkanes | gearscore does something almost identical to what you propose |
| 21:01.10 | arkanes | I don't know of any libraries |
| 21:01.34 | eblume | I'd hate to rewrite thise code for each and every project in my plan so I think I'll be lib-ifying it. |
| 21:01.43 | arkanes | sure theres definitely a benefit there |
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| 21:01.57 | eblume | I still need to resolve if there is any persistancy in the library though, and if so, does it make sense to make it a traditional library or not. |
| 21:02.34 | eblume | IE, ASync would need to remember what "version" of each subscription it's starting with... though that could just be an optional argument to the subscribing method |
| 21:05.58 | arkanes | eblume: whether or not you should even care about intentional poisoning is worth thinking about too |
| 21:06.53 | eblume | Absolutely. I know for sure that for the first proof-of-concept addon (the shoutbox), poisoning isn't an issue since that's the same thing as the standard useage |
| 21:07.24 | eblume | For some of the more complicated scenarios I plan on making client-side audit trails and trusted sources (ie, guild officers) |
| 21:07.34 | eblume | so that you can see who was being a naughty boy, and /gkick them |
| 21:07.50 | eblume | The issue then becomes representing this data smoothly. |
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