| 00:00.25 | Primer | How does one cast and instant spell followed by one that requires a GCD in a conditional macro? |
| 00:00.43 | Shefki | Primer: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:01.01 | Primer | cast a shape shift followed by a spell |
| 00:01.07 | Primer | but in a conditional |
| 00:01.11 | Shefki | Can't, shapeshift triggers a GCD. |
| 00:01.21 | Shefki | Would take two presses. |
| 00:01.23 | Primer | hrmm |
| 00:01.42 | Primer | the other way around |
| 00:01.50 | Primer | guess I was confused |
| 00:03.29 | Shefki | Canceling a form you can just cast the spell if the spell can't be used in that form. |
| 00:03.39 | Shefki | So /cast [condition] Spell |
| 00:06.36 | Primer | what about /cast [cond] instant; gcd spell; [cond] instant; gcd spell |
| 00:08.29 | Shefki | If you want both to go in one press they need to be separate /casts and the first one can't trigger a GCD. |
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| 00:08.43 | Shefki | So as long as the instants don't trigger a GCD then you can do: |
| 00:08.52 | Primer | I see what you mean |
| 00:08.57 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.17 | Shefki | You can't use a macro to choose spells based on what is cooled down though. |
| 00:09.32 | Primer | yes, I know that |
| 00:09.37 | Primer | but would it not be |
| 00:09.44 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.53 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.56 | Primer | ? |
| 00:09.57 | Primer | same diff |
| 00:10.07 | Shefki | That'll work yeah. |
| 00:10.12 | Primer | as long as the conds were the same |
| 00:10.15 | Shefki | For example. |
| 00:10.23 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.28 | Shefki | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.36 | Primer | yes, I have that as a macro |
| 00:10.37 | Shefki | Will work do both (in most conditions) |
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| 00:10.46 | Shefki | Since Nature's Swiftness won't trigger the GCD. |
| 00:10.56 | Primer | as well as a rebirth one with Nature's Swiftness |
| 00:10.59 | Shefki | However, if you're moving when you press it you'll have to press it twice because of a bug. |
| 00:11.15 | Primer | but I'm working on one where it'll do different things based on stance |
| 00:11.27 | Primer | with multiple conditionals |
| 00:11.34 | Shefki | It's not different just put your conditions in front of everything. |
| 00:11.47 | Repo | 10project-13709: 03TheCheat5 * r82 CooldownCount.lua: |
| 00:11.48 | Repo | Removed flashing of cooldown remaining text until I can figure out a way to make it non-FPS-dependent |
| 00:11.52 | Shefki | It'll skip anything the conditional doesn't match on. |
| 00:12.09 | Primer | right |
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| 00:16.31 | Slayman | night y'all |
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| 00:51.49 | Shefki | d/win 2 |
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| 02:15.17 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx 07ace3 * r1349 / (6 files in 1 directory): - Restored Clique support for WoW 4.0 |
| 02:15.18 | Repo | - Rearranged some options |
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| 03:55.50 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r416 XPerl_Player/XPerl_Player.lua: |
| 03:55.51 | Repo | Applied Shefki's much better less broken fixes. Sure he's tired of watching my commits on bot. ;) |
| 03:56.15 | sylvanaar | ill make my usual pitch for if anyone wants to try out my lua IDE plugin for IntelliJ, new build today |
| 03:56.26 | Shefki | lol |
| 03:56.41 | Shefki | errm that was at Repo not you sylvanaar. |
| 03:56.58 | sylvanaar | its sexy Shefki, you should give it a spin |
| 03:57.31 | sylvanaar | im using it for all my addon development now |
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| 04:04.19 | Shefki | sylvanaar: I'm a vim kinda person. |
| 04:04.22 | Shefki | I never use IDEs. |
| 04:04.52 | Mirrormn | hey I love IDEs |
| 04:04.56 | Mirrormn | gib link |
| 04:05.25 | sylvanaar | just install IntelliJ, and install the Lua plugin from the plugin manager |
| 04:05.36 | sylvanaar | ill find a link for you Mirrormn |
| 04:06.20 | Mirrormn | I'll find it |
| 04:06.29 | sylvanaar | http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/free_java_ide.html |
| 04:08.57 | Mirrormn | 250mb install, goodness |
| 04:09.33 | sylvanaar | its a java ide, what can you do |
| 04:09.50 | Mirrormn | well, how I installed plugin? |
| 04:10.01 | sylvanaar | File Settings Plugins |
| 04:10.04 | Vonhinten | isn't there a lua language service for VS? |
| 04:10.14 | Torhal | sylvanaar: From the plugin manager, it automatically lists your plugin? |
| 04:10.25 | sylvanaar | Torhal: yes |
| 04:10.35 | sylvanaar | Vonhinten: it sucks |
| 04:10.42 | nebula | sylvanaar is kinda a big deal |
| 04:10.53 | Torhal | Awrighty. Downloading, but I need to go to bed. Already three hours late. |
| 04:11.37 | sylvanaar | Vonhinten: i have worked with it a little, it just does basic syntax hilighting and error checking |
| 04:11.57 | sylvanaar | nothing "smart" beyond that |
| 04:12.11 | Vonhinten | figured it'd have intellisense |
| 04:12.27 | sylvanaar | thats hard to do with Lua |
| 04:12.57 | Vonhinten | it's hard to do with any language :) |
| 04:13.47 | Vonhinten | but, obviously it doesn't need to be perfect (it couldn't be), but it could help with the stuff it can easily determine |
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| 04:14.02 | Mirrormn | error checking is good enough for me, I hate having to /reload and then find I made some stupid syntax error |
| 04:14.25 | sylvanaar | Mirrormn: go into the options and for the options for lua tick the identifier hilighter option |
| 04:14.56 | sylvanaar | well, the VS one for example wont show you global vs local variables |
| 04:15.57 | Mirrormn | lol just one single settings option |
| 04:16.04 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 04:16.45 | sylvanaar | the other settings are all integrated with the IDE settings pages |
| 04:16.55 | Mirrormn | whoa, what's with this text cursor that can be positioned beyond the ends of lines |
| 04:17.05 | Mirrormn | I find that fundamentally unnerving in a text editor |
| 04:17.22 | sylvanaar | its called virtual space - its an option in the editor |
| 04:17.46 | Mirrormn | yeah I already found it and turned it off |
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| 04:18.08 | sylvanaar | yeah i have it off as well |
| 04:20.58 | sylvanaar | the code formatter is nice also - it does a pretty good job right now |
| 04:21.17 | Mirrormn | well this looks pretty nice, I think I will use it |
| 04:21.37 | Mirrormn | I keep getting some "IDE Fatal Error" icon in the bottom right corner |
| 04:21.47 | Mirrormn | but it doesn't seem particularly fatal cause everything keeps working |
| 04:21.49 | Mirrormn | so whatever |
| 04:22.10 | quiescens | moo |
| 04:22.18 | sylvanaar | click it, if it says "blame lua" then press the button |
| 04:23.05 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 04:23.34 | Mirrormn | well I'm going to bed |
| 04:23.38 | sylvanaar | night |
| 04:24.19 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Does it handle block quotes well? Emacs has severe issues - it highlights what it believes are keywords, and using apostrophies treats everything in the file beyond that as a string (for coloration) |
| 04:24.32 | sylvanaar | perfectly |
| 04:24.37 | Torhal | Nice. |
| 04:25.06 | Torhal | I'll check it out, but if I find myself reverting to Emacs keystrokes I'll probably end up dealing with the bad comment handling. |
| 04:25.18 | sylvanaar | there is an EMACS plugin i think |
| 04:25.44 | sylvanaar | that sets the key bindings up |
| 04:25.45 | Torhal | Hmmm |
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| 04:26.52 | sylvanaar | no sorry, actually its VIM |
| 04:27.06 | Torhal | Urk |
| 04:27.21 | Torhal | Anywho - sleep. |
| 04:27.26 | sylvanaar | nn |
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| 05:00.55 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r177 core.lua: Another typo. Capitalized "link" when I shouldn't have. |
| 05:01.12 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo 04v19b * r178 : Tagging as v19b |
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| 05:42.28 | Repo | 10libsimpleframe-1-0: 03Kemayo * r51 LibSimpleFrame-1.0/LibSimpleFrame-1.0.lua: Handle alt-tabbing + locking more sanely. |
| 05:42.43 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r635 modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 05:42.44 | Repo | - added ability for spell ids to be specified instead of names for custom bars and cooldown bars. when an id is typed it will attempt to resolve to the buff name |
| 05:43.17 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03oscarucb * r391 / (3 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 8 lines) |
| 05:43.18 | Repo | Initial 4.0 version - basic functionality working on the PTR with no known lua errors |
| 05:43.19 | Repo | Change Summary: |
| 05:43.20 | Repo | *************** |
| 05:43.21 | Repo | Remove checks for many "improved X" talents that no longer exist |
| 05:50.16 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r636 / (2 files in 2 directories): - fixed rotation of inverted bars to draw the bar correctly |
| 05:50.17 | Repo | - better method of turning the player and pet casting frames back when enabling the "show default cast bar" option in the player cast bar |
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| 06:36.28 | Slayman | is there a method to get the survey thingy to pop up on the ptr? I'm missing the minimap button |
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| 06:38.02 | Shefki | I wish they'd just move the survey stuff to the web. |
| 06:38.08 | Shefki | Their in game one is always a pile of crap. |
| 06:38.20 | Shefki | But I'm not sure the survey is enabled on the PTR anymore. |
| 06:38.29 | Shefki | It's flagged as a release build and they remove it for release builds. |
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| 06:46.19 | Repo | 10broker-windowed-mode: 03Morsker * r17 / (2 files in 1 directory): now smarter about preserving Maximized setting |
| 06:48.14 | Repo | 10broker-windowed-mode: 03Morsker 04v1.2 * r18 : Tagging as v1.2 |
| 06:48.15 | Repo | Works in Cata. |
| 06:48.16 | Repo | Also packing German localization |
| 07:09.36 | Repo | 10grid: 03Greltok 07ace3 * r1350 GridStatusHeals.lua: Removed unneeded player GUID cache. |
| 07:17.17 | mitch0 | hohum |
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| 07:24.55 | mitch0 | something's borked with GetItemInfo or tooltip:SetHyperLink... |
| 07:25.07 | mitch0 | causes some sort of lag |
| 07:25.18 | mitch0 | (maybe just for nonexistent items) |
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| 07:34.14 | Megalon | troutman is here |
| 07:44.45 | Xinhuan | getiteminfo is no longer reliable as of 4.0 |
| 07:45.16 | Xinhuan | that is, if the item isn't in the cache, it will attempt to query the server instead (async) and doesn't return nil as you would expect |
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| 08:01.52 | sbu | morning! |
| 08:05.49 | mitch0 | xin: any workaround known for that? |
| 08:05.55 | Xinhuan | no |
| 08:06.03 | mitch0 | hrmp |
| 08:06.26 | mitch0 | but, if GetItemInfo returns, I can trust its return and can give up on the item if its nil, right? |
| 08:07.01 | mitch0 | also, I can get rid of the tooltip thing (if it really does poll the server) |
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| 08:09.09 | Xinhuan | not really lol |
| 08:09.15 | Xinhuan | if you've seen the item before |
| 08:09.21 | Xinhuan | and then log out and log back in |
| 08:09.30 | Xinhuan | the game will think you haven't seen it before |
| 08:09.46 | Xinhuan | its like you need to see the item in your current game session to count as seen |
| 08:09.48 | mitch0 | it clears cache on every login? |
| 08:09.52 | Xinhuan | apparantly |
| 08:09.58 | mitch0 | grmb |
| 08:10.08 | Xinhuan | not very sure on specifics |
| 08:10.18 | mitch0 | I hope it's PTR only :) |
| 08:10.50 | mitch0 | so, at each login GetItemInfo will poll the server for every item not in my inventory? |
| 08:11.01 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r81 / (9 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
| 08:11.59 | mitch0 | xinhuan: can the UI lag be worked around with coroutines? |
| 08:12.17 | Xinhuan | generally yes, if you yield often enough |
| 08:12.39 | mitch0 | erm, how would I yield from withing GetItemInfo? (as that's the only lag source...) |
| 08:12.49 | Xinhuan | howare u using it |
| 08:13.06 | Xinhuan | getiteminfo doesn't block |
| 08:13.14 | mitch0 | you said it polls the server |
| 08:13.19 | Xinhuan | it eithr returns data or it returns nil |
| 08:13.30 | Xinhuan | yeah if it returns nil, it polls the server async |
| 08:13.36 | mitch0 | ah |
| 08:13.44 | mitch0 | then I don't understand where the lag comes from |
| 08:13.48 | Xinhuan | and no there is no event that tells you when the data arrives back |
| 08:14.06 | Xinhuan | there is also no gaurantee that there will even be a reply |
| 08:14.22 | Xinhuan | the problem comes with you do mass getiteminfo calls withina short amount of time |
| 08:14.25 | Xinhuan | it will crash wow |
| 08:14.33 | Xinhuan | like a loop from 1-40000 |
| 08:14.38 | Xinhuan | to see whats in your cache |
| 08:14.49 | mitch0 | here's what I do now: |
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| 08:15.30 | mitch0 | I try GetItemInfo(), if it's nill, I set TT for item, check back with GetItemInfo every .5 sec, for at most 10 secs. if it's still nill, I mark it as failed and don't bother with it any more |
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| 08:16.14 | mitch0 | thing is, I got a report that it causes noticable lag 2 times per second (coincidence? :) |
| 08:16.44 | Xinhuan | well i'm telling you calling getiteminfo tells the client to do funky stuff with the wow server |
| 08:16.59 | Xinhuan | and calling it too many times will actually crash wow |
| 08:17.02 | Xinhuan | that's all |
| 08:17.11 | mitch0 | ok, so I can get rid of the tooltip part. but that still doesn't explain the lag... |
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| 08:24.05 | mitch0 | any chance 4.0 will hit live this week? I don't want to d/l the 16G PTR patch ;) |
| 08:26.57 | sbu | ~wowalert |
| 08:26.58 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 08:27.14 | sbu | i hope so... :o |
| 08:27.32 | sbu | another week of 25s raiding would kill me :p |
| 08:32.40 | Aeyan | Most signs point to yes |
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| 08:35.36 | Xinhuan | is the 30% buff removed from icc |
| 08:37.24 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r75 Scorchio2.lua: found ID for Arcane Missiles |
| 08:37.25 | Repo | also letting Fingers of Frost stack 2x in 4.0+ |
| 08:37.39 | Aeyan | I just heard they were removing Chill of the Throne |
| 08:43.54 | sbu | Xinhuan: it will be, yup |
| 08:44.01 | sbu | but shouldnt make any difference |
| 08:44.33 | sbu | (def -> avoidance conversion should be > chill of the throne) |
| 08:45.24 | Xinhuan | not at all |
| 08:45.33 | Xinhuan | the 30% buff means longer kill times |
| 08:45.42 | Xinhuan | and enrage timers may be a problem again |
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| 08:53.15 | sbu | Xinhuan: oh, i dont know about 30%, was talking about the -30% debuff |
| 08:53.27 | sbu | no idea about dps buff, but dps should also increase with new talents |
| 08:53.46 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 08:53.55 | Repo | 10gridstatusdistance: 03slaren * r13 GridStatusDistance.toc: - .toc updated |
| 08:53.55 | Xinhuan | they are supposed to be "about the same" |
| 08:54.04 | Aeyan | Not sure how much of a player power upgrade this will be |
| 08:54.20 | Repo | 10gridstatuspriestaoe: 03slaren * r28 GridStatusPriestAoe.toc: - .toc update |
| 08:54.32 | Aeyan | I know ICC groups on the beta/PTR with the new MOB tuning are getting ruined in trash pulls =P |
| 08:54.41 | Aeyan | But that could just be the tuning |
| 08:55.06 | sbu | errr well thtas a DPS problem |
| 08:55.24 | sbu | because they changed aoe threat and dps keeps nuking everything |
| 08:55.53 | sbu | (and with new cloth-repairs-getting-expensive change... well, poor mages ;)) |
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| 09:01.33 | Slayman | can someone check in the BETA (not ptr) if the brainfrozen FFB consumes both stacks of FoF? and post a reply to the bug collection thread in the forum, I fear this bug will be patched to live this week. |
| 09:02.29 | Aeyan | Why check beta for a possible PTR->Live migration bug? |
| 09:03.26 | Slayman | well on PTR that bug exists I can reproduce it, I want to know if 4.0.3/Beta has it fixed . My hope for the going live of 4.0.1 is out the window already |
| 09:03.44 | Aeyan | Ah |
| 09:04.33 | Primer | as if that'd stop Blizz |
| 09:05.03 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I'm confused. |
| 09:05.03 | Slayman | on the cata mage-bug thread there is no mention of it which puzzles me |
| 09:05.54 | Wobin | @info gridstatuspriestaoe |
| 09:07.14 | jnwhiteh | i am having a severe lack of bugreports/testing of Clique on 4.x =( |
| 09:07.18 | jnwhiteh | this concerns me for Tuesday |
| 09:07.33 | jnwhiteh | luckily the code is stupid simple now that I've had a chance to rewrite it. |
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| 09:17.30 | Repo | 10gridstatusmrds: 03slaren * r9 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Update for 4.0 |
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| 09:34.30 | Slayman | jnwhiteh: you brought that stupid simple argument yesterday already. So I think clique'll be fine, btw my icon had a good Idea but it sucked nonetheless for me lacking skills. |
| 09:34.45 | jnwhiteh | I only got one entry |
| 09:34.47 | jnwhiteh | as it is |
| 09:34.48 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 09:34.52 | jnwhiteh | luckily I like the entry |
| 09:35.34 | Slayman | If only I had the skills to create what my mind made up, you might like it |
| 09:36.08 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 09:36.14 | jnwhiteh | well its the thought that counts :P |
| 09:36.44 | Slayman | I'm going to submit the crap I got so far anyway, so you can have a laugh on me, as soon as I'm home |
| 09:37.06 | jnwhiteh | k k |
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| 09:42.37 | Slayman | well on the PTR everything works fine with blizzard frames, no wrong casts, no nothing |
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| 09:52.45 | Slayman | I find my thoughts consumed by either Super Street Fighter 4 or WoW 4.0/Cata ;( |
| 09:58.21 | Torhal | mitch0: From what Xinhuan is describing, GetItemInfo() may be doing unnecessary I/O and/or memory allocation, which could account for the lag - depending on what you're doing and how fast. |
| 09:58.33 | Slayman | what's the problem with justin.tv? why does it force me to sign up for pro from just watching a stream |
| 09:58.52 | mitch0 | torhal: I do a GetItemInfo once every .5 sec... a single call |
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| 10:00.37 | Xinhuan | u sure your friend doesn't have cpu usage monitoring turned on? |
| 10:00.45 | Xinhuan | that also causes a jerk lag every sec or so |
| 10:00.48 | mitch0 | is not my friend |
| 10:00.54 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 10:01.31 | mitch0 | anyway, he/she tested with only RangeDisplay enabled, so I guess no cpu profiling. and the reported lag-every-half-a-sec fits the item cache thing |
| 10:01.47 | mitch0 | but now I think I know what happens |
| 10:02.27 | mitch0 | since the cache starts out clean, I'll do a reinit every time I find a new item, and I'll only find one new item each iteration... |
| 10:02.55 | mitch0 | guess I'll have to change that to only do the reinit when the item caching is completely finished |
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| 10:10.21 | mitch0 | erm, no. I only do a reinit at the end now... something else is causing the lag :( |
| 10:17.07 | sbu | oh, extended maintenance announced |
| 10:17.17 | sbu | what a surprise... ;) |
| 10:17.35 | mitch0 | wonder how badly my ui will be broken ;) |
| 10:24.20 | SunTsu | I hope that the downloader will eventually start doing it's job. Currently it's not. "waiting" |
| 10:26.24 | Megalon | SunTsu HWAITING!!! |
| 10:27.18 | SunTsu | Megalon: you experiencing the same problem? |
| 10:27.46 | Megalon | your blizzard downloader doesn't like you anymore? :o |
| 10:28.40 | SunTsu | No, it does not, and I don't like it either, so this somehow does work for both of us. Still that won't get me a patch |
| 10:31.42 | SunTsu | OK, turning off p2p downloading does the trick |
| 10:32.02 | mitch0 | so your friends don't like you any more |
| 10:32.33 | SunTsu | Uh. That's mean. Wait, I'd mean I actually had friends! Great news! |
| 10:32.43 | SunTsu | It's |
| 10:32.52 | SunTsu | damn, you know what I mean ;) |
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| 10:43.38 | Takika | you can download the patch with a simple torrent client too :) |
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| 10:47.18 | ThiefMaster | is 4.0.1 going live tomorrow? |
| 10:48.09 | jnwhiteh | I guess we'll find out tomorrow, or when someone from Blizzard posts =) |
| 10:48.15 | jnwhiteh | it seems incredibly likely |
| 10:48.33 | mitch0 | I'll lose my tree form?! |
| 10:49.28 | Megalon | free porn? what |
| 10:52.38 | ccKep | free porn! where? |
| 10:52.44 | evl | Muhhahaha, my gem empire is ready, come patch, come! |
| 10:52.58 | ccKep | mine's not :( |
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| 10:53.36 | ccKep | read somewhere that transmutation cooldowns were gone, but they aren't (for obvious reasons) afaik ^.^ |
| 10:53.44 | evl | if I'm really cautious with my margins I'll still make 80k |
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| 10:54.18 | ccKep | dreadstones gonna be kinda cool I think |
| 10:54.49 | evl | I expected as much so I bought 350 |
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| 10:55.56 | ccKep | spell power cardinals are turned into brilliant kings ambers right? |
| 10:56.13 | evl | there is no SP is there? |
| 10:56.24 | evl | I atleast know every rogue will have to regem to agi |
| 10:56.28 | evl | so just there it's a fortune |
| 10:56.33 | ccKep | hunters too |
| 10:56.39 | ccKep | agi, agi/hit and agi/haste or something like that |
| 10:56.44 | evl | yep same as rogues |
| 10:56.50 | evl | is spell power still in? |
| 10:57.10 | ccKep | as a stat only on weapons afaik |
| 10:57.14 | evl | aha |
| 10:57.15 | ccKep | don't know about the gems though |
| 10:57.24 | ccKep | intellect is the new spell power :D |
| 10:57.56 | ccKep | brilliant cardinal ruby, 20 int gem |
| 10:58.07 | ccKep | so yellow int gems are turning red in 4.0... didnt knew that |
| 10:58.10 | evl | this will probably be good for my guild that has struggled on LK HC, I bet the healing and DPS will be beta-ish and too high |
| 10:58.40 | ccKep | for dps, that might be right I think... but I'm a bit worried about healing |
| 10:58.48 | Fisker | too high? |
| 10:58.49 | Fisker | lold |
| 10:59.20 | evl | I haven't really looked into it but historically it ought to be too high :> |
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| 11:00.03 | ccKep | I dont think the wotlk->cata dps jump is as high as bc->wotlk |
| 11:00.28 | Fisker | paladins are probably like 20-30% lower than they should be |
| 11:00.31 | ccKep | I mean... sunwell was like 2.5k dps (and that was good as far as I remember), and now its like 6-10 times that much |
| 11:00.57 | Fisker | one good thing though |
| 11:01.02 | Fisker | we might not overaggro on ghouls on LK HC |
| 11:01.16 | Fisker | since they basically removed divine storm |
| 11:01.30 | ccKep | hm? divine storm is a tier-3 talent isnt it? |
| 11:01.34 | ccKep | or tier-4, cant remember |
| 11:01.46 | Fisker | It's wasn't a talent |
| 11:02.00 | Fisker | or was it? |
| 11:02.04 | ccKep | it is |
| 11:02.04 | Fisker | can't even remember now |
| 11:02.16 | ccKep | level 60 on live atm |
| 11:02.21 | ccKep | tier 3 in 4.0 |
| 11:02.29 | ccKep | right-most column |
| 11:02.38 | Fisker | yeah |
| 11:02.45 | Fisker | they confuzzled me |
| 11:02.57 | Fisker | think they removed it as a talent in the early betas |
| 11:04.09 | ccKep | I'm really curious about healing in 4.0.1... |
| 11:04.27 | ccKep | being a paladin myself I'm a bit worried, hope it plays out nice though |
| 11:05.29 | Slayman | hot damn my remaining paid leave days : I miscalculated leaving me 4 days short DAMN! |
| 11:06.47 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7558 Northrend (2 files in 2 directories): Northrend/Halion: Fix Breath |
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| 11:07.28 | sbu | Slayman: 4 days, pff, just do +3h every day now :p |
| 11:07.47 | Slayman | yeah I'm srsly thinking about doing that |
| 11:12.30 | Slayman | my brain asplodes my boss didn't sign off on the vacation plan, So my plan may be valid after all, or it may not depending on how the remaining days are calculated. I hate this stupid system |
| 11:13.04 | sbu | hm |
| 11:13.49 | sbu | what? :) |
| 11:13.53 | Slayman | don't bother yourself sbu, I am just ranting |
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| 11:18.11 | sbu | i wanna go home Slayman, do something :| |
| 11:19.34 | Slayman | in about 10 minutes my workday is done for today |
| 11:19.49 | Slayman | and I'm going home, picking up Iron Man 2 BluRay on the way |
| 11:19.51 | Slayman | beat that |
| 11:22.29 | sbu | meh |
| 11:23.05 | sbu | 3.5h to go and i already have IM2 BD at home! |
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| 11:39.53 | evl | Anyone know what happens to profession spells that have changed in 4.0.1? Like Brilliant Cardinal Ruby was Brilliant King's Amber, will the conversion be automatic? |
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| 11:42.09 | sbu | morning Humbedooh :D |
| 11:42.17 | Humbedooh | hides from evul sbu |
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| 11:57.29 | Repo | 10fu-bar_hey-fu: 03daf2 * r97 Core.lua: FuBar_HeyFu: Changed AFK to Away to fix secretary |
| 12:00.06 | sbu | hmmm |
| 12:00.14 | sbu | so its time to buy ALL red gems from the ah, right? :p |
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| 12:02.03 | arkanes | I got all the yellow ones & cut them into int gems |
| 12:02.28 | sbu | demand for red ones will be high |
| 12:02.35 | dafire | so it looks like we get patch this week ? .) |
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| 12:02.43 | arkanes | yes, and yellow int gems now become red int gems tomorrow :) |
| 12:02.43 | sbu | int + arp-replacement (agility!?) |
| 12:03.08 | Megalon | arp is crit |
| 12:05.37 | sbu | Megalon: yes but nobody wants 10000 crit gems |
| 12:05.41 | sbu | so they have to regem to agi |
| 12:06.51 | Megalon | not like it matters with 4.x mechanics |
| 12:07.57 | sbu | mh? |
| 12:08.31 | Megalon | isn't it just balanced at 85 really |
| 12:08.37 | evl | But what happens to the yellow int gems |
| 12:08.48 | evl | will they magically turn red over night? and what about the spell to create them |
| 12:08.52 | Megalon | they become red int gems |
| 12:09.37 | Slayman | and red spellpower gems become red int gems as well? |
| 12:09.47 | Megalon | yes |
| 12:09.55 | Megalon | there are no spellpowergems in 4.0 |
| 12:10.14 | Slayman | there is not much of anything anyway |
| 12:10.18 | Megalon | I think they'll just delete the SP gem spell |
| 12:10.24 | Megalon | and change the INT gem spell |
| 12:10.33 | evl | what about the ARP spell |
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| 12:10.42 | evl | I won't have time to gather up JC tokens before patch :D |
| 12:10.47 | Slayman | yeah there goes 4 jewelers tokens down the drain |
| 12:11.09 | sbu | pfff 4 tokens |
| 12:11.27 | Slayman | 3 tokens are 4 days |
| 12:11.28 | sbu | my entire profession will go down... :p |
| 12:11.37 | Megalon | arp gems are gone |
| 12:11.43 | Slayman | s/3 tokens/4 tokens/ |
| 12:12.08 | sbu | because blizzard doesnt want you to do inscription! |
| 12:12.09 | Megalon | so out of the 2 years that wotlk reaches |
| 12:12.17 | Slayman | yeah inscription will be pretty much engineering for the homeless and unemployed |
| 12:12.18 | Megalon | you will have been ripped of 4 days of tokens |
| 12:12.24 | Megalon | so 4 out of 700+ |
| 12:13.12 | Slayman | Megalon: it's not that it's 4 days for absolutely NOTHING now would I just have collected the tokens instead of spending them I'd win, but since noone told me |
| 12:13.19 | Megalon | yea, engineering, the profession to go for if you wanna make $$$? :7 |
| 12:13.52 | sbu | i will go for engineering again... screw inscription |
| 12:14.11 | sbu | and 480 int on use (hands enchant) is good enough for me |
| 12:14.12 | Megalon | still the only profession not active on beta |
| 12:14.13 | Megalon | :( |
| 12:16.00 | Slayman | well I'm lacking only BS and Tailoring on my account, and I wanted to go BSing with the warrior anyway, I might do that for the remainder of wotlk |
| 12:17.42 | Slayman | and NO I'm not talking about bullshitting :D |
| 12:18.39 | sbu | uh okay... ;) |
| 12:21.18 | Slayman | man I have nothing to do at work, and I feel my feedback for that frostmages bug goes unappreciated and will go live and noone that matters cares about it *sadface* |
| 12:21.43 | mitch0 | um, they killed teh tree? :( |
| 12:21.51 | Slayman | what no! |
| 12:22.20 | Slayman | FFB consumes all stacks of FoF when cast with Brainfreeze |
| 12:23.11 | arkanes | nobody loves me, everybody hates me, guess I'll just reroll shaman :( |
| 12:24.05 | Slayman | that would change only one thing: nobody loves you, everybody hates you and everybody'll blame you |
| 12:29.41 | sbu | waaahhh "Entkalken", this day sucks already :| |
| 12:29.52 | Slayman | decalcify |
| 12:29.57 | Slayman | washing machine? |
| 12:30.08 | sbu | COFFEE!! |
| 12:30.12 | sbu | on a MONDAY, wtf |
| 12:30.29 | Slayman | the machine knows YOU HAD ENOUGH coffee alreadsy |
| 12:30.31 | Slayman | already |
| 12:31.04 | arkanes | it's wierd that the PTR is still up |
| 12:31.46 | Slayman | plot thickens |
| 12:32.00 | sbu | has been like that for the last 3 major patches i think |
| 12:33.04 | sbu | ~wowalert |
| 12:33.05 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 12:52.40 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 * r2857 / (13 files in 9 directories): - fix bugs for patch 4.0 |
| 12:52.41 | Repo | - update toc files |
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| 13:26.24 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2858 / (4 files in 4 directories): 5.11.05 preparation |
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| 13:47.16 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Lag123 * r2859 Core (2 files in 1 directory): - more fixes |
| 13:50.39 | Slayman | well I postponed calling it a day until now, 9 and a half hour is enough one might argue |
| 13:51.54 | quiescens | moo |
| 13:52.01 | quiescens | go to sleep |
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| 14:00.57 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0-beta-1-g64cd5a4 Config.lua: [+1 commit] Adjusted localization for Import Options. Register for proper message name |
| 14:03.24 | Repo | 10gathermate2_data: 03kagaro * r2 / (9 files in 1 directory): Initial import. data files are empty right now. |
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| 14:13.30 | sbu | errr wait |
| 14:13.51 | sbu | "WOW2" is gone from my account management |
| 14:14.01 | sbu | (was PTR) |
| 14:16.47 | quiescens | grats |
| 14:17.53 | sbu | well thats good, isnt it? ;) |
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| 14:37.17 | Repo | 10drainsouler: 03kunda * r18 / (16 files in 1 directory): update for patch 4.0 |
| 14:37.39 | Takika | sbu: i have wow1 (ptr) account on eu account management |
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| 14:40.22 | Repo | 10gathermate_sharing: 03kagaro * r78 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 14:40.23 | Repo | Should now support both GatherMate2 and GatherMate1. NO cross sharing is going on, but should sync both so GM1 -> GM1 and GM2 -> GM2 clients. |
| 14:43.40 | kagaro | frums are down i see |
| 14:48.17 | Takika | i can log in to eu ptr realms |
| 14:48.39 | kagaro | i meant the wowace forums |
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| 14:49.55 | Slayman | and there I am again |
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| 14:59.29 | Repo | 10doodlepad: 03Humbedooh 06cataclysm * r43 Doodle.lua: Players can now (re)name their saved doodles. |
| 14:59.45 | Repo | 10doodlepad: 03Humbedooh * r37 Doodle.lua: Merging with cata branch |
| 15:00.04 | nevcairiel | why does your "branch" look like a clone? <.< |
| 15:00.27 | Humbedooh | 'cause the repo is broken :< |
| 15:00.40 | Humbedooh | so I'm cloning instead ;p |
| 15:00.45 | nevcairiel | good job. |
| 15:00.47 | nevcairiel | you broke it. |
| 15:00.50 | Humbedooh | ye :\ |
| 15:02.10 | nevcairiel | how do you even break a repo? |
| 15:02.53 | Humbedooh | svn ftl? :( |
| 15:03.03 | nevcairiel | why did you use it, then? |
| 15:03.12 | Humbedooh | 'cause I was young and I needed the money |
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| 15:04.30 | nevcairiel | The usual hint for the europeans: Close your Curse Client and leave it closed until wednesday :p |
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| 15:12.52 | Fisker | no nevcairiel |
| 15:12.56 | Fisker | disable automatic updating |
| 15:13.09 | nevcairiel | Closing is easier to explain =P |
| 15:13.23 | Fisker | [17:04:27] <@nevcairiel> The usual hint for the europeans: Close your Curse Client and leave it closed until wednesday :p |
| 15:13.26 | Fisker | [17:12:53] <Fisker> disable automatic updating |
| 15:13.48 | koaschten | As a BlizzCon 2010 Virtual Ticket holder, youÂ’ve been granted access to a special two-day online BlizzCon 2010 merchandise sale taking place before the show |
| 15:13.50 | koaschten | \/ |
| 15:13.52 | Fisker | Your preample to your explanation was harder to explain than the actual explanation |
| 15:13.55 | Fisker | old koaschten |
| 15:14.18 | nevcairiel | hm where do you see that? |
| 15:14.21 | Fisker | i might get a bottle and the poker set if shipping is decent |
| 15:15.48 | nevcairiel | oh in spam folder |
| 15:16.39 | nevcairiel | loooks like spam though |
| 15:16.43 | nevcairiel | has some weird email headers |
| 15:17.00 | syeren | Gmail problems for anyone? |
| 15:17.06 | nevcairiel | <blizzcon=rayv.com@mcsv171.net> |
| 15:17.10 | nevcairiel | wth is that for a address |
| 15:18.41 | nevcairiel | the urls in the mail are also linked through some other domain |
| 15:18.44 | nevcairiel | smells like spam to me! |
| 15:19.54 | Dessa | mmmm spam. |
| 15:21.08 | nevcairiel | I just got my SSD but i have a raid in an hour or so, so i can't reinstall my system now :( |
| 15:24.58 | koaschten | just acronis image it? |
| 15:25.17 | koaschten | or is the source too big? |
| 15:25.18 | nevcairiel | nah its somewhat old, i wanted a fresh one anyway |
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| 15:25.32 | koaschten | hmm 1 hours is tough for a win install ;) |
| 15:25.41 | nevcairiel | (I'm actually crazy and enjoy reinstalling my system occasionally) |
| 15:26.15 | koaschten | i enjoy it too, but only once i have an unattended disc done |
| 15:26.15 | koaschten | which like ... never happens |
| 15:26.15 | koaschten | ;) |
| 15:26.22 | koaschten | because most times i cba to create one |
| 15:26.32 | nevcairiel | you don't have to do that much stuff during a install, insert key, set language, mostly done |
| 15:26.58 | koaschten | you can tell an unattended setup to install driver packages etc |
| 15:27.33 | nevcairiel | it would probably take longer to create that disc the reinstalling the system like 10 times |
| 15:27.50 | nevcairiel | or at least the time you would save :p |
| 15:27.54 | koaschten | oh not really, there is some toolkit which name i cant recall now ... |
| 15:28.02 | koaschten | creating unattended discs since XP |
| 15:28.03 | koaschten | -.- |
| 15:28.07 | koaschten | hell whats the name |
| 15:28.35 | nevcairiel | i only install like 2 drivers anyway, the intel driver kit, and the nvidia driver .. all done :d |
| 15:28.40 | koaschten | nlite i think |
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| 16:18.45 | Kaelten | g'morning |
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| 16:20.49 | Slayman1 | good morning Kaelten |
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| 16:55.04 | Kaelten | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2009-Tenacious-D-Live-in-Concert-at-BlizzCon-2010 |
| 16:55.21 | sbu | better post a "patch tomorrow" thingie ;) |
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| 17:02.52 | dafire | Kaelten: any problems with the curse updater ? my premium is broken ;) |
| 17:03.10 | Kaelten | dafire: should be fine |
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| 17:03.39 | dafire | since yesterday i have ads and can't update all at once .. websites says i have premium... i saw a few tickets with the same problem |
| 17:05.27 | sbu | ~wowalert |
| 17:05.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 17:06.50 | ThiefMaster | hrm, too lazy to check mmoc etc: is it better to buy gems for badges before or after the patch? |
| 17:07.20 | Parnic|Work | iirc the exchange rate is such that it's generally better to spend them now. i could be wrong, though :) |
| 17:07.29 | Kaelten | dafire: mac or windows? |
| 17:07.47 | dafire | windows |
| 17:08.01 | dafire | but i used a mac client last week |
| 17:08.06 | dafire | it had ads, too |
| 17:08.18 | dafire | didn't know if it knows premium :) |
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| 17:19.02 | ThiefMaster | hrm.. anyone going to update DoTimer for 4.0.1? |
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| 17:21.02 | Kaelten | it does |
| 17:21.15 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2860 / (2 files in 2 directories): classic instance update |
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| 17:23.01 | Fisker | Kaelten |
| 17:23.02 | Fisker | hey |
| 17:23.06 | Kaelten | hi |
| 17:23.35 | Fisker | looking forward to Patch 5.0.1? |
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| 17:30.01 | dafire | maybe i should start the preload .) |
| 17:31.13 | Fisker | maybe you shouldn't |
| 17:33.15 | arkanes | 13750 JP for a full set of the level 85 blues |
| 17:33.51 | arkanes | when I convert, I'll have like 7k. I wonder if it's worth not spending them until 85 for the head start |
| 17:36.44 | Killmore | arkanes: how many frost/triumph you have ? |
| 17:37.50 | Axodious | arkanes there's a 4k cap |
| 17:37.59 | Axodious | anything over will be converted to money |
| 17:38.05 | Slayman | Axodious: they didn't implement that cap |
| 17:38.10 | Axodious | ?! |
| 17:38.13 | Axodious | seriously? |
| 17:38.13 | nevcairiel | they will, though |
| 17:38.18 | nevcairiel | sitll alot of time |
| 17:38.24 | dafire | yeah .. with 4.0.1 soft cap |
| 17:38.30 | dafire | you can't earm more |
| 17:38.34 | Slayman | ? no time at all if patch is 2morrow |
| 17:38.36 | dafire | 4.0.3 hard cap |
| 17:38.47 | dafire | all over 4000 discarded |
| 17:38.57 | Axodious | someone got a link on this? |
| 17:39.05 | Slayman | srsly? I didn't read that out of the bluepost |
| 17:39.45 | nevcairiel | 4.0.1 is softcap, with 4.0.3 it will be converted to money |
| 17:40.15 | Slayman | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27026323214/currency-conversion-justice-point-update/ |
| 17:41.14 | ulic | and by discarded he means turned into gold |
| 17:41.21 | dafire | yeah |
| 17:41.34 | Slayman | so if you got above 4k after 4.0.1 you either start spending or get a measly amount of silver |
| 17:42.07 | Slayman | ~wowalert |
| 17:42.07 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 17:42.23 | Killmore | how many triumph + frost you need to get the 4k ? |
| 17:42.28 | ulic | well if you have 9k over the hard cap, it's gonna be like 4k gold, measly to some, but not all |
| 17:42.30 | nevcairiel | 380 roughly |
| 17:42.30 | Slayman | FML! Tenacious D live @ Blizzcon |
| 17:43.25 | Fisker | virtual ticket duh |
| 17:43.35 | Fisker | though they suck so i don't see how it matters anyway |
| 17:44.12 | Slayman | dude did you just say Tenacious D sucks? |
| 17:44.51 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:44.56 | Slayman | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 17:44.56 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers. |
| 17:45.15 | Axodious | anyway, point was there's no point in saving 7k for a head start ;p |
| 17:45.16 | ulic | At least Tenacious D is funny for the sake of being funny, where as Ozzie was funny because he's an old dude with a fried brain. |
| 17:45.16 | Fisker | if there were a list over shitty music Tenacious D would be there right at the bottom (or top) depending on the list layout |
| 17:45.22 | Axodious | stupid computer lagged out |
| 17:46.16 | dafire | can you go on ptr with a beta flagged account ? I know it wasn't possible with bc and wotlk .) |
| 17:46.31 | Slayman | Fisker: and Justin Bieber on the other end, according to the layout. No I get really. |
| 17:46.59 | Axodious | yes dafire |
| 17:47.08 | Axodious | shows up as wow1 and wow2 |
| 17:47.09 | Axodious | or something |
| 17:47.10 | dafire | thx .) |
| 17:48.44 | Slayman | ok no more honorbought gems but JP Gems still there |
| 17:48.54 | Fisker | my list is binary Slayman |
| 17:48.59 | Fisker | bieber ties with tenacious d |
| 17:52.35 | Axodious | i guess you could say it's very.... tenacious |
| 17:52.37 | Axodious | /sunglasses |
| 17:52.40 | Slayman | I'm going to grab some shuteye need to catch up on sleep anyways l8er |
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| 18:14.27 | kagaro | anyone know of an addon to predict deathstrike shield for dk in cata? |
| 18:17.40 | arkanes | no, but it shouldn't be too hard to do |
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| 18:38.30 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0-beta-2-g6a00c00 GatherMate2.toc: [+1 commit] Changed license line on toc to match project |
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| 18:42.12 | kagaro | i love it you get the buff applied evetn for blood shield but no indicator at all |
| 18:43.53 | kagaro | i wonder if it uses absords n the calc |
| 18:46.24 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0-beta-3-gaa12385 Config.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed method name for SendMEssage call missed in last pass |
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| 18:58.26 | Galvin | CooldownFrame_SetTimer(self.Cooldown, 0, 0, 0) anyone know if this will stop a cooldown animation in progress? |
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| 19:04.02 | Stanzilla | how long till the us servers go down? |
| 19:04.20 | Talryn | A while |
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| 19:06.22 | Repo | 10gathermate2_data: 03kagaro * r3 GatherMateData.lua: Added missing cata zone abysal death in filter |
| 19:07.29 | Repo | 10questpointer: 03Kemayo 07master * v5-4-g53c94cb / (4 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Toc bump |
| 19:08.05 | Kaelten | wowace will be down for a few moments |
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| 19:09.11 | Kaelten | and done |
| 19:09.35 | Talryn | So for tomorrow we'll update the Interface to 40000. Do we just drop the X-Compatible-With line then? |
| 19:10.20 | Kaelten | Talryn: ya you can, it probably doesn't make sense to mark it backwards compatible |
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| 19:10.58 | Talryn | I guess that will just be used during transitions then? |
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| 19:11.57 | Talryn | Will Grid or Grid2 be updated for 4.0.1? Both haven't seen changes since Sept 18 or so. |
| 19:12.22 | Fisker | Kaeltenmen |
| 19:12.44 | Galvin | want to know that too, I can live without grid for a while since i'm melee dps. |
| 19:13.00 | nevcairiel | supposedly grid has a fix somewhere |
| 19:13.02 | nevcairiel | grid2 probably not |
| 19:13.32 | Stanzilla | Talryn: grid |
| 19:13.48 | orionshock | so .. is it confirmed, patch tonight? |
| 19:13.55 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: if i'm reading this table right, servers wont be down until 9am tomorrow (our time) |
| 19:13.59 | Talryn | Not confirmed but most think it will happen. |
| 19:14.07 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: ah ok thanks |
| 19:14.21 | Talryn | MMO-Champion still saying "most likely" |
| 19:14.24 | nevcairiel | pdt is 9 hours behind us |
| 19:14.29 | pompy | nevcairiel: what table |
| 19:14.44 | nevcairiel | some timezone thingy |
| 19:17.42 | Repo | 10heatsink: 03durcyn 07master * 3.3.5.12-1-g9017485 Heatsink.lua: [+1 commit] track chained cooldowns like vanish/stealth since we're not scanning spellbook anymore |
| 19:17.48 | Repo | 10heatsink: 03durcyn 043.3.5.13 * 10089f3 /: [new tag] 3.3.5.13 |
| 19:17.49 | Talryn | Speaking of the DK DS shield. There is no way to know which shield is being used until that buff goes away. Correct? |
| 19:17.53 | orionshock | there an easy addon to show me what's missing from a profession? |
| 19:18.12 | Talryn | AckisRecipeList used to do that? |
| 19:18.17 | durcyn | orionshock: ackisrecipelist is the only one i'm aware of. it'll eat about ten megs of memory then leak more, but it works |
| 19:18.27 | orionshock | lol |
| 19:18.29 | durcyn | also, written by a canadian |
| 19:18.52 | pompy | durcyn: no torhal overhauled it |
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| 19:20.30 | Bibi | Talryn: http://twitter.com/Boubouille_MMO/status/27055861373 |
| 19:20.56 | sbu | pfff :) |
| 19:21.00 | Talryn | Thanks Bibi. |
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| 19:21.03 | sbu | dont trust bibi! |
| 19:21.15 | sbu | he will steal your kids |
| 19:21.31 | Talryn | No kids here, I'm safe :-) |
| 19:22.55 | orionshock | Torhal, Re:ARL Tooltip It dosn't play nicely with DoublewideTradeskill :) |
| 19:23.57 | pompy | ~lart orionshock |
| 19:23.57 | purl | wallops orionshock with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 19:26.28 | ccKep | all those blues bumping 4.0.1 changes posts... |
| 19:26.37 | ccKep | needs US account to play patches earlier |
| 19:27.54 | Fisker | i think it isn't Bibi |
| 19:28.43 | Fisker | I think the patch is usually a program or diff file that corrects one or more issues in a piece of software |
| 19:28.45 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:29.44 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03mysticalos * r76 Scorchio2.lua: |
| 19:29.45 | Repo | only declare getbuildinfo once in a local instead of every time a function is done. |
| 19:32.23 | durcyn | fisker |
| 19:34.43 | Fisker | durcyn |
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| 19:36.30 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r417 / (6 files in 6 directories): German update |
| 19:36.31 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 19:36.33 | Fisker | koaschten |
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| 19:43.58 | durcyn | Fisker |
| 19:43.59 | durcyn | shut up |
| 19:44.21 | orionshock | wonders if [Ammo] is going to update GuildFilter |
| 19:45.05 | Fisker | ¨dur |
| 19:45.07 | Fisker | bah |
| 19:45.08 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 19:45.09 | Fisker | no fuck you |
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| 19:45.41 | Repo | 10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r105 : Externals Update |
| 19:45.48 | Zhinjio | is 4.0.3 a pre-cata build or is that cata? |
| 19:46.22 | Fisker | pre-cata |
| 19:46.27 | Zhinjio | k |
| 19:46.28 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 19:46.35 | Fisker | but i don't think they'll launch another patch for cata |
| 19:47.23 | orionshock | they will |
| 19:47.58 | orionshock | main patch into cata & then a balance patch or 2, then when cata hits, it'll back patch us & then we'll have to reapply the previous 2 |
| 19:48.04 | arkanes | 4.03 is cata |
| 19:48.09 | arkanes | 4.0.3 that is |
| 19:48.16 | arkanes | 4.0.1 is the pre-cata patch |
| 19:48.17 | Fisker | exactly arkanes |
| 19:48.28 | Fisker | and orionshock with their new patching system they probably won't have to patch us back |
| 19:48.39 | Fisker | but 4.0.3 is pre-cata as well arkanes |
| 19:48.43 | orionshock | true, but in effect |
| 19:48.43 | Fisker | 4.0.3 will launch |
| 19:48.48 | Fisker | then a few weeks after it'll launch cata |
| 19:48.49 | arkanes | well, thats not entirely clear |
| 19:49.01 | Fisker | that's why i said i didn't know if they would make, for example a 4.0.5 for cata |
| 19:49.02 | arkanes | the current beta build is tagged as 4.0.3 |
| 19:49.18 | arkanes | and its likely that 4.0.3 is going to be what ships on your cata dvds |
| 19:49.33 | Fisker | naw naw |
| 19:49.44 | Fisker | definitely gonna be some 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 build |
| 19:49.52 | Fisker | 4.0.3 is way too late for that |
| 19:49.59 | arkanes | eh |
| 19:50.12 | arkanes | could be |
| 19:50.26 | arkanes | anyway, I don't think there will be a 4.0.3 release that isn't cata |
| 19:50.59 | nevcairiel | 4.0.3 will most likely launch one week before cata |
| 19:51.03 | nevcairiel | accoding to blue posts, at least |
| 19:51.04 | arkanes | although I do wonder how they're going to do the actual breaking of the world, I guess you're supposed to just watch it in the cata cinematic |
| 19:51.19 | Repo | 10surgeon-general: 03Brimmstone * r106 : More External Fixing |
| 19:51.31 | Fisker | I'm guessing it's more like "OMFG WHAT'S GOING ON" |
| 19:51.39 | Fisker | then the cinematic is more like "THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON" |
| 19:51.39 | arkanes | I didn't see a blue post that said that |
| 19:51.42 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r418 / (8 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:51.43 | Repo | A few more local updates (GetSpellInfo 4.0 spell id updates and such) |
| 19:51.52 | arkanes | why would they release 4.0.3, with the broken world, before cata launches? |
| 19:52.16 | nevcairiel | Just because you didn't see it doesnt make the facts vanish =) |
| 19:52.34 | nevcairiel | they want cata launch to go smooth |
| 19:52.37 | nevcairiel | patch days are not smooth |
| 19:52.41 | nevcairiel | so patch a week early |
| 19:52.43 | nevcairiel | just to be safe |
| 19:53.00 | nevcairiel | They never patched on release day |
| 19:53.30 | arkanes | no, they always patch on release day |
| 19:53.31 | durcyn | yeah, i don't see them doing a maintenance on the 7th |
| 19:53.35 | arkanes | you have to *install cata* |
| 19:53.40 | arkanes | and then patch it up, most likely |
| 19:53.42 | nevcairiel | thats not a patch |
| 19:53.48 | nevcairiel | patches include server downtime |
| 19:53.51 | nevcairiel | and server updates |
| 19:53.59 | nevcairiel | which never happend on release day |
| 19:54.16 | sbu | mh... wonder if that is possible |
| 19:54.25 | sbu | with cataclysm world changes |
| 19:54.34 | nevcairiel | 4.0.3 will go live a week before cata |
| 19:54.38 | nevcairiel | and it will shatter the world |
| 19:54.43 | sbu | (doing that without restarting servers, zoning all players, whatever) |
| 19:54.54 | nevcairiel | sbu: dont need to, 4.0.3 does that |
| 19:57.30 | arkanes | Ammo is no more. As a hunter, you're just that good now. " |
| 19:57.33 | arkanes | clever! |
| 19:59.08 | Fisker | [Ammo] was kind of a jerk |
| 19:59.51 | starlon | wobbles. |
| 20:01.01 | Talryn | I thought it was pre-Cara |
| 20:01.05 | Talryn | Cata |
| 20:01.12 | Talryn | It's the updated world |
| 20:01.13 | koaschten | good riddance, by [Ammo] |
| 20:01.23 | nevcairiel | 4.0.1 is game-system changes, talents, glyphs, whatnot |
| 20:01.25 | Fisker | i'm tired koaschten |
| 20:01.34 | nevcairiel | 4.0.3 is the new "old" world |
| 20:01.37 | nevcairiel | cataclysm is new features |
| 20:01.39 | koaschten | just die already then Fisker? |
| 20:02.00 | koaschten | http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mugsy-bogues.jpg |
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| 20:08.54 | orionshock | rolls off into never, never land to figure out how to make LibQTip into a AceGUI widget .... |
| 20:10.41 | wink | wtf |
| 20:10.46 | Fisker | why won't i die koaschten ? |
| 20:11.05 | Fisker | maybe i should just kill myself so the police and shit could be concerned about the fact that you encouraged me |
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| 20:12.48 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r179 / (3 files in 1 directory): Callbacks instead, to remove potential for timing issues |
| 20:12.56 | wink | "the internets told me" |
| 20:13.14 | wink | Fisker: you're in the worse position though, we all have logs :> |
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| 20:21.50 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r180 core.lua: |
| 20:21.50 | Repo | Finally realized why that false positive for bank being required happens. |
| 20:25.34 | Repo | 10project-14588: 03INSOMNIAX * r54 / (2 files in 1 directory): RepTracker: |
| 20:25.35 | Repo | - Initial TOC bump for 4.0.1. Bug checking will have to come later. |
| 20:26.43 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r82 / (4 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
| 20:27.19 | Shefki | :$ |
| 20:29.15 | pompy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2010-Patch-4.0.1-on-live-servers-this-week |
| 20:32.01 | Repo | 10slash-in: 03Morsker * r11 SlashIn.toc: TOC bump for 4.0 |
| 20:42.49 | Repo | 10character-notes: 03talryn1 * r44 CharacterNotes.toc: Updating TOC for 4.0.1 |
| 20:43.19 | Repo | 10guild-search: 03talryn1 * r18 GuildSearch.toc: Updating TOC for 4.0.1 |
| 20:43.57 | Repo | 10peace-and-quiet: 03talryn1 * r7 PeaceAndQuiet.toc: Updating TOC for 4.0.1 |
| 20:44.02 | Repo | 10slash-in: 03Morsker 04v1.1 * r12 : Tagging as v1.1 |
| 20:45.23 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r181 / (6 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:45.24 | Repo | Remove a need for some localization, which was causing problems in Germany. |
| 20:45.43 | Stanzilla | omg problems in germany |
| 20:45.44 | Repo | 10autocombatlogger (experimental): 03talryn1 * r5 AutoCombatLogger.toc: Updating TOC for 4.0.1 |
| 20:45.54 | Repo | 10slash-in: 03Morsker 04v1.1 * r13 : the packager ignored this tag; going to try again |
| 20:46.12 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: huh? |
| 20:46.31 | Stanzilla | 22:45:25 ∙ Repo: Remove a need for some localization, which was causing problems in Germany. |
| 20:46.34 | Repo | 10libalts-1-0: 03talryn1 * r37 LibAlts-1.0.toc: Updating TOC for 4.0.1 |
| 20:46.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:47.37 | Repo | 10friend-notes: 03talryn1 * r8 FriendNotes.toc: Updating TOC for 4.0.1 |
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| 20:52.14 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r182 / (8 files in 1 directory): Update localizations from wowace. |
| 20:55.27 | Kemayo | Stanzilla: Widespread rioting, the collapse of civilization... those sorts of problems. ;) |
| 20:56.05 | Repo | 10alts: 03talryn1 * r6 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 20:56.06 | Repo | Updating TOC for 4.0.1. Added an Add Main button. LDB clicking now toggles options/main window. |
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| 20:58.46 | Kemayo | Y'know... on wowace the export page in its header talks about automating things and links to http://www.wowace.com/addons/bank-stack/create-page/?name=kb-repositories/repository-keyword-substitutions ... which is not terribly helpful. :P |
| 20:59.11 | nevcairiel | yeah .. links knowledge base pages are broken |
| 20:59.15 | nevcairiel | links to* |
| 21:04.51 | Kaelten | yup |
| 21:05.03 | Kaelten | blame Bibi for them still being broke |
| 21:09.19 | Bibi | oh sure. |
| 21:09.21 | Bibi | blame Bibi. |
| 21:09.23 | Bibi | always blame Bibi |
| 21:09.24 | Bibi | :( |
| 21:09.32 | Kaelten | it's ok Bibi, we still love you anyway |
| 21:09.50 | Kaelten | Bibi: http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/demotivational-posters-stoned-owl.jpg |
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| 21:18.50 | Yssaril | Kaelten: is svn repo creation broken? |
| 21:19.23 | Kaelten | shouldn't be |
| 21:19.24 | Kaelten | why? |
| 21:19.25 | Yssaril | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libmounts-1-0/repositories/mainline/ when i try to access the repo it says its not found |
| 21:19.36 | Yssaril | though it has been a while since i used svn :P |
| 21:22.49 | Yssaril | Kaelten: so broken or is it just me? |
| 21:22.57 | Repo | 10slash-in: 03Morsker 04v1.0.3 * r14 : Tagging as v1.0.3 |
| 21:23.07 | Repo | 10slash-in: 03Morsker 04v1.1 * r15 : Tagging as v1.1 |
| 21:23.17 | Kaelten | Yssaril: fixed now I think |
| 21:23.48 | arkanes | so non-shown frames don't get their OnUpdate scripts called, confirm/deny? |
| 21:25.06 | Parnic|Work | confirm |
| 21:26.09 | arkanes | well hmph |
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| 21:28.03 | arkanes | I'm trying to batch up frame positioning by marking the layout as dirty and then positioning everything in the next OnUpdate |
| 21:28.13 | arkanes | is there any other called-per-frame thing I could use? |
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| 21:35.37 | Yssaril | Kaelten: thanks :) |
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| 21:37.30 | pompy | Extended maintenance will begin tonight at midnight, Tuesday, October 12 for the release of patch 4.0.1. Maintenance will begin at 12:01 AM PDT and conclude at approximately 12:01 PM PDT. |
| 21:38.05 | Kemayo | It's not like they had any other good days to do it on until November. |
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| 21:43.50 | Repo | 10bank-stack: 03Kemayo * r183 / (3 files in 1 directory): Split out the reverse sort from the backfilling options. |
| 21:45.26 | Gnarfoz | ~wowalert |
| 21:45.26 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 21:55.43 | Galvin | anyone know if dxe will work in 4.0? |
| 21:59.33 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0 (experimental): 03yssaril * r8 LibMounts-1.0.toc: fix toc |
| 22:07.47 | Repo | 10fu-bar_quests-fu: 03Kemayo * r428 FuBar_QuestsFu.toc: |
| 22:07.48 | Repo | Continuing my tradition of neglect, I bump the TOC to 40000 8 hours early. |
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| 22:13.03 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r419 / (11 files in 11 directories): |
| 22:13.04 | Repo | Ok, now that blizzard has actually confirmed 4.0.1, bumping toc files. |
| 22:13.44 | Repo | 10fu-bar_quests-fu: 03Kemayo 04v4.0.1 * r429 : Tagging as v4.0.1 |
| 22:18.07 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03mysticalos * r77 Scorchio2.toc: |
| 22:18.19 | Repo | toc -- 40000 and add ## X-Min-Interface: 30300 since some functions don't work quite write on chinese 3.2.2. |
| 22:18.30 | Repo | 10fu-bar_quests-fu: 03Kemayo * r430 / (11 files in 11 directories): That was quite a lot of subTOCs going back to 20100. |
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| 22:30.32 | Aikar | so i take it the auction api slaughter is going to stay? :( im going to QQ so hard |
| 22:30.54 | Aikar | cause spam clicking a button is so much fun :( |
| 22:31.58 | Niv | man it's going to be strange to cope without SBF for a while |
| 22:32.19 | Aikar | anyone know if blizz would ban for using g15 to spam click ok? |
| 22:32.25 | Aikar | SBF? |
| 22:32.34 | Niv | satrina buff frames |
| 22:32.42 | Aikar | they nerf something in that too? |
| 22:32.50 | Niv | things changed |
| 22:33.01 | Aikar | so i take it Elk is broken too then? |
| 22:33.04 | Niv | it requires some decent amount of changes, and it doesn't appear satrina has an alpha |
| 22:33.09 | Aikar | ouch |
| 22:33.18 | Aikar | im a rogue so i dont really really on seeing buffs |
| 22:33.21 | Niv | I know it's planned to be updated, just not clear how long |
| 22:33.26 | Aikar | but the display with buff addons was alot nicer |
| 22:33.31 | Aikar | really rely* |
| 22:33.51 | ThiefMaster | yeah, blizzard can go die in a fire for making cancelling buffs a protected function |
| 22:34.00 | Aikar | o.o |
| 22:34.03 | orionshock | yeah |
| 22:34.21 | Niv | yea, it's strange |
| 22:34.26 | Niv | I assume that's to break things like FreeMe |
| 22:34.32 | Aikar | i dont have an 80 nor have i played since vanilla so no new raid experience, but under what context would you cancel buffs? |
| 22:34.46 | Niv | clicking of Hand of Protection, Trinket Procs, etc |
| 22:34.55 | Niv | DI? :P |
| 22:35.02 | ThiefMaster | or just getting rid of some funny transformation |
| 22:35.08 | Niv | yea |
| 22:35.15 | Aikar | ok DI yea but do you want an addon to control turning off DI lol? |
| 22:35.16 | Niv | it's ok though, I have a /cancelaura spam macro |
| 22:35.25 | Aikar | wait you cant cancel buffs at all now? |
| 22:35.27 | Niv | Aikar: it's not about the addon in this case |
| 22:35.28 | ThiefMaster | of course you'll just rightclick in your buff frame, so i guess that'll be done with some new secure template |
| 22:35.42 | Niv | my understanding of the change is |
| 22:35.47 | ThiefMaster | it just can't be done automatically anymore and buff frame addons will probably need much more code |
| 22:35.48 | Niv | you can click off things in unsortable buff frames |
| 22:35.54 | Aikar | that sucks |
| 22:35.56 | Niv | but with the advanced frames you can't |
| 22:36.00 | Lysithea | There's a talent in the shadow tree for priests that puts a debuff you that ccs you if you dispel the VT |
| 22:36.04 | ThiefMaster | uh, so the buff frames can't even be sorted e.g. by duration anymore?! |
| 22:36.07 | Lysithea | that could be why |
| 22:36.08 | Niv | so if you do any buff sorting in your frame, no right click |
| 22:36.18 | Lysithea | but you coudl still just macro every button to /cancel that buff |
| 22:36.24 | Niv | Lysithea: you can't click off debuffs? :P |
| 22:36.30 | Lysithea | it's a buff |
| 22:36.34 | Lysithea | for some stupid reason |
| 22:36.36 | Niv | well that's shitty design |
| 22:36.39 | ThiefMaster | Niv: if sorting and cancelling are excluse that's extremely retarded |
| 22:36.39 | Lysithea | not able to dispel it? |
| 22:36.41 | Lysithea | indeed it is |
| 22:36.52 | Niv | because I'll just macro /cancelaura in (if I still can) |
| 22:37.00 | Aikar | sounds like 4.0.1 sucks big time in terms of addons :( |
| 22:37.02 | Niv | ThiefMaster: that's my understanding |
| 22:37.10 | ThiefMaster | hopefully blizz changes that quickly |
| 22:37.28 | ThiefMaster | not sure why they didn't just disable CancelAura if the call wasn't caused by a hardware event |
| 22:37.33 | ThiefMaster | like they did with some other stuff |
| 22:37.42 | Lysithea | Niv http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=208166 |
| 22:37.53 | arkanes | the motivation, as far as I can tell, is to avoid addons that automatically deshift you to avoid banish and the like |
| 22:37.57 | Aikar | what really sucks is the auction changes doesnt STOP you from doing anything we do currently (well from my understanding of the changeS), but simply requires a hardware event for every step, so all it does is require you to waste more time and gain carpal tunnel syndrome faster by spam clicking :/ |
| 22:37.57 | Lysithea | pretty fucking stupid |
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| 22:38.09 | arkanes | they can't make canceling a buff take a GCD cause that messes with deshifting in general, though |
| 22:38.27 | ThiefMaster | what did they change? |
| 22:38.33 | arkanes | I really wish they'd come up with a better solution than this one, thogh, because it just sucks |
| 22:38.47 | ThiefMaster | (in the auction system) |
| 22:38.49 | Aikar | buy/sell/cancel auction all require hardware event now |
| 22:39.07 | Aikar | so no "cancel my undercutted items" or "buy 40 1 size stacks" |
| 22:39.21 | Niv | FreeMe is bordering on abusive addon, I wouldn't be surprised if they dislike it and this is partially to address that addon ;) |
| 22:39.30 | Aikar | and the auctioneer appraiser tab to auto post all junk in 1 press is also killed |
| 22:39.32 | ThiefMaster | people who buy 1 size stacks need to stop doing that anyway so people stop putting stuff like ammo in 1-item-stacks in the AH at all |
| 22:39.59 | ThiefMaster | i guess you could just pay for the online AH and then write a custom client for that one |
| 22:40.04 | Aikar | well i buy w/e is the cheapest lol, i use AuctionLite which sorts by cheapest buyout |
| 22:40.04 | arkanes | there's not many cases where autoremoving buffs is at all useful |
| 22:40.06 | Repo | 10drag-em-all: 03emelio 07master * 0.9.1 / (3 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Import |
| 22:40.09 | ThiefMaster | they can't disable THAT unless they want to add captchas which would piss off people |
| 22:40.13 | Repo | 10drag-em-all: 03emelio 040.9.1 * 786079f /: [new tag] |
| 22:40.14 | Repo | - Updated for WoW 4.0.1 |
| 22:40.16 | Aikar | you can mutli select auctions just like you do in OS with control/shift keys |
| 22:40.21 | arkanes | but there's lots where you want to manually remove stuff |
| 22:40.22 | Aikar | then press buyout -> confirm |
| 22:40.31 | Aikar | but thats being killed with 4.0 |
| 22:40.36 | Niv | arkanes: I do it on my tank for HoP/HoSalv and a few other random things |
| 22:40.41 | Niv | but it's not a huge advantage |
| 22:40.54 | arkanes | I wouldn't really call it an "advantage" at all |
| 22:41.01 | arkanes | wee, autoprotection from griefing |
| 22:41.10 | arkanes | and you can do it easily enough with a macro |
| 22:41.14 | Niv | well |
| 22:41.25 | Niv | it was nice for beasts for example ;) |
| 22:41.37 | Niv | and it's a nice safety against dumb paladins |
| 22:41.51 | Niv | but yea, before FreeMe I just had a pound macro |
| 22:41.53 | arkanes | one of the things I used my buff sorting addon for was putting bop in an easy to see place that was always the same, so I could click it off without a problem |
| 22:41.58 | Niv | worked just as well, I just had to hit it |
| 22:42.10 | arkanes | but they crippled that, but did *not* cripple the mindless macro |
| 22:42.12 | Niv | I just keep BoP and other things in a seperate SBF frame |
| 22:42.13 | arkanes | bad fix, imo |
| 22:42.35 | Niv | I don't like the change either |
| 22:43.20 | Niv | Lysithea: it's hard to believe they really want Sin and Punishment to be a buff |
| 22:43.38 | Lysithea | yeah, but that's how it is now |
| 22:43.55 | Lysithea | someone fatfingered the buff/debuff button or something |
| 22:43.58 | Niv | smells like bug |
| 22:44.13 | arkanes | the really abusive part was druids/demo locks using it to automatically deshift when someone started casting banish on them |
| 22:44.29 | arkanes | but man thats such a tiny, tiny problem and so easily addressed in other wasy |
| 22:45.07 | Niv | I assume that was high level arena |
| 22:45.19 | Niv | and it's a dead issue post-4.0 anyway isn't it? |
| 22:45.20 | arkanes | well, with an addon its no longer "high level" |
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| 22:45.27 | arkanes | I'd think so |
| 22:45.44 | orionshock | imo the best way to deal with that problem was to require a hardware event to dispell buffs |
| 22:45.55 | arkanes | I'd agree |
| 22:46.18 | Niv | yea, that's fine |
| 22:46.23 | Niv | or at least during combat |
| 22:46.31 | arkanes | but maybe they don't have the tech to do 2 hardware event things off the same event |
| 22:46.34 | Niv | I do love FreeMe to keep fucking babyspice and shit off me |
| 22:46.37 | Niv | in dalaran |
| 22:46.48 | arkanes | remove an aura and cast a spell, for example |
| 22:48.00 | arkanes | as far as I know theres been no real info from blizzard on why they did it or what they expect us to do about it :( |
| 22:48.29 | orionshock | i don't think our UI blue is involved anymore |
| 22:48.42 | Niv | well |
| 22:48.43 | Niv | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.44 | Niv | er |
| 22:48.45 | orionshock | either that or he's under gag order still |
| 22:49.06 | Niv | I think you can do basic sorting with SecureAuraHeader, and click off buffs |
| 22:49.29 | arkanes | I haven't looked at it in detail |
| 22:49.36 | arkanes | but you can't filter |
| 22:49.39 | arkanes | and you can't scale |
| 22:49.42 | Niv | some filtering I think |
| 22:49.55 | Niv | but it's really basic |
| 22:50.03 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: slouken and zootfizzle dont even work on wow anymore, thats why |
| 22:50.16 | orionshock | ^^ so we're kinda screwed |
| 22:50.27 | Arrowmaster | its been that way for a year or two |
| 22:50.34 | Niv | Shefki should have some good knowledge on this I think |
| 22:50.36 | orionshock | from looking though the buff code, it was written by an idiot |
| 22:51.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah all the changes for a while have been written by idiots |
| 22:51.29 | Lysithea | what are slouken working on now? blizzards new ip? |
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| 22:52.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah the secret mmo |
| 22:52.32 | orionshock | they use an obseen function factory to make the table that you can choose from to do sorting.. |
| 22:52.42 | Niv | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560499864&sid=2000&pageNo=2#21 |
| 22:52.46 | Niv | Shefki's post |
| 22:53.53 | Lysithea | well, that's a good thing in my eyes, then we hopefully get some robust and customizable ui to work with there too |
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| 22:55.52 | arkanes | I suppose I should see if I can get a quick & dirty buff thing that at least looks like my current one working with the secure headers |
| 22:56.14 | arkanes | are any of the major buff frame authors even still updating? I don't think EBB or SBF gets much work anymore |
| 22:56.52 | Niv | satrina said he will update SBF for cata |
| 22:56.56 | Niv | but I don't know what his timeframe is |
| 22:56.57 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0 (experimental): 03yssaril * r9 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 22:56.58 | Repo | add :GetMountList(type) which retrieves a hash table of all mounts in the db of a certain type |
| 22:56.59 | Repo | fix some more luadoc stuff |
| 22:57.00 | Repo | remove special location mounts from the main types table |
| 22:57.01 | Niv | he's pretty quiet lately |
| 22:57.30 | Niv | I've only run through my core addons on 4.0, I'm sure a bunch of my shit is going to break |
| 22:57.35 | Niv | my poor UI |
| 22:57.47 | arkanes | I've been rewriting a bunch of mine |
| 22:58.05 | arkanes | and I had some ideas for stuff I wanted in a buff frame that nothing has, so maybe I can get in on that |
| 22:58.25 | orionshock | srsly i want a toggle option somewhere that unloads all the UI JUNK! that they put in 4.0 for the noobs that need the flashy popups |
| 22:58.40 | Niv | the powa stuff? |
| 22:58.44 | arkanes | of course not sure they can be implemented any more :\ It'd be nice if blizz would write their own unit & buff frames to use their own secure headers |
| 22:58.45 | Niv | I think there was an interface option for it |
| 22:59.02 | orionshock | Niv, have you rolled a new toon on prt/beta? |
| 22:59.23 | Niv | a goblin warlock |
| 22:59.28 | Niv | on beta |
| 22:59.36 | orionshock | did u notice the crap that poped up when you lvled? |
| 22:59.46 | Niv | oh, all the skill stuff? |
| 22:59.57 | Niv | I liked that ;) |
| 23:00.32 | arkanes | hmm where is SecureAuraHeader hiding anyway |
| 23:01.20 | orionshock | arkanes, in the secure frames files |
| 23:01.32 | arkanes | I got em |
| 23:01.40 | arkanes | I sent looking in SecureTemplates first |
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| 23:09.19 | orionshock | so what is happening to soul bags in cata? |
| 23:09.38 | arkanes | being replaced with a normal bag |
| 23:10.22 | orionshock | a 32 slot? |
| 23:10.36 | arkanes | no |
| 23:10.47 | arkanes | a regular bag that would require 'similar' materials |
| 23:11.05 | arkanes | I imagine if you have a 32 slot soul bag you'll get a 22 slot regular bag |
| 23:11.15 | orionshock | aww... |
| 23:11.39 | arkanes | you didn't seriously think anything else was going to happen, did you? :P |
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| 23:13.50 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r143 / (16 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 23:13.51 | Repo | -the 4.0.1 commit |
| 23:13.52 | Repo | -New Holy Power module |
| 23:13.53 | Repo | -New Soul Shards module |
| 23:13.54 | Repo | -New Evangelism module |
| 23:15.22 | Torhal | orionshock: AceGUI widget of LibQTip? o.O |
| 23:21.12 | Avis | Whats the 4.0 interface version, 40000 ? |
| 23:21.36 | pompy | Avis: where;ve u been ? ;p |
| 23:21.41 | Niv | heh |
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| 23:21.47 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0 (experimental): 03yssaril * r10 LibMounts-1.0/LibMounts-1.0.lua: |
| 23:21.49 | Repo | output error info to chat if a mountID is not found in the DB |
| 23:21.50 | Repo | make input to GetMountList case insensitive |
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| 23:24.21 | Connor1 | Macro question |
| 23:24.29 | Connor1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.35 | Connor1 | Nevermind stupid question |
| 23:24.50 | Connor1 | Fixed it |
| 23:25.12 | Shefki | Niv: The SecureAuraHeaders stink. They're a huge step back in what we can do. |
| 23:25.18 | SqueeG | Humbehdooh |
| 23:25.29 | Niv | Shefki: yea, that's what I was gleaming |
| 23:25.39 | SqueeG | What's with you naming the hyperlinks to your addons different names from the addon itself? :p |
| 23:25.45 | Shefki | And all so they can secure something that shouldn't need to be secured. |
| 23:25.52 | orionshock | Torhal, yeah... |
| 23:26.06 | Shefki | I punted on doing anything about it. |
| 23:26.09 | pompy | @project doodlepad |
| 23:26.11 | Repo | 10closet-gnome: 03Rabbit * r622 / (2 files in 1 directory): The equipmentManager cvar was removed in 4.0. |
| 23:26.12 | Shefki | Going to tell people to use /cancelaura for now. |
| 23:26.14 | SqueeG | what's the reasoning behind securing auras? O_o |
| 23:26.15 | Repo | pompy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/doodlepad/. Doodlepad. Game: WoW. Humbedooh (Manager/Author), Dridzt (Tester/Contributor), Squeeg (Tester), Nevcairiel (Contributor). Updated: 8 hours ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 23:26.28 | SqueeG | @project rendermon |
| 23:26.30 | Repo | SqueeG: No project found that matches 'rendermon' |
| 23:26.33 | Shefki | SqueeG: There are some "exploits" possible by canceling auras. |
| 23:26.34 | Niv | I just want my buff frames to be working, i can manage without the rightclicking off for now |
| 23:26.37 | SqueeG | @project rendergnome |
| 23:26.39 | Repo | SqueeG: http://www.wowace.com/addons/rendergnome/. RenderMon. Game: WoW. Humbedooh (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago |
| 23:26.47 | Humbedooh | stop mentioning my name! |
| 23:26.56 | Shefki | SqueeG: To give a obvious example Druids can have different CC's based on their form. |
| 23:26.58 | SqueeG | Humberdooh |
| 23:26.59 | SqueeG | Humberdooh |
| 23:27.00 | SqueeG | Humberdooh |
| 23:27.01 | Humbedooh | methinks it doeth beep too much |
| 23:27.10 | Shefki | E.G. Banish for Tree, Hibernate for Cat. |
| 23:27.34 | Shefki | It's trivial to write an addon that watches for those spells being cast. |
| 23:27.34 | Shefki | And cancels your form to avoid being CC'ed. |
| 23:27.34 | Yssaril | Humbedooh: fix your IRC client so that messages from repo do not ping you |
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| 23:28.10 | Humbedooh | I was yelling at SqueeG, not Repo ;p |
| 23:28.20 | Niv | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.28 | Niv | force them into caster form and blow them up |
| 23:28.46 | Shefki | Niv: Sure if you realize they're doing that you have options. |
| 23:28.50 | Niv | =yea |
| 23:28.53 | Shefki | But that's not the only issue. |
| 23:28.58 | Niv | clearly it needed to be addressed though |
| 23:29.10 | Shefki | The issue has been around since TBC. |
| 23:29.17 | Shefki | We expected it to be changed in Wrath. |
| 23:29.27 | Humbedooh | what addon, mr. SqueeG? |
| 23:29.28 | Shefki | I actually delayed writing the Aura code for PB4 waiting for it. |
| 23:29.31 | Shefki | And it never came. |
| 23:29.39 | arkanes | I really wish that blizz would use their own secure headers :\ |
| 23:29.52 | arkanes | I'm not sure that SecureAuraHeader even *works* |
| 23:29.58 | Torhal | @project rendergnome |
| 23:29.59 | Repo | Torhal: http://www.wowace.com/addons/rendermon/. RenderMon. Game: WoW. Humbedooh (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago |
| 23:30.02 | Shefki | arkanes: It works. |
| 23:30.05 | Shefki | arkanes: It's just buggy. |
| 23:30.08 | Torhal | !lart Repo |
| 23:30.08 | Humbedooh | tsk tsk |
| 23:30.13 | Torhal | ~lart Repo |
| 23:30.13 | purl | drops a baby grand on Repo |
| 23:30.33 | arkanes | I guess I need to figure out how to drive it then |
| 23:30.37 | SqueeG | Humbehdooh: Rendermon/rendergnome :p |
| 23:30.59 | Shefki | arkanes: It's pretty much just SecureGroupHeaders tweaked to do auras instead of units. |
| 23:30.59 | Torhal | SqueeG: I changed the slug from rendergnome to rendermon, but Repo still associates that with the rendergnome name |
| 23:31.19 | Humbedooh | thinks Repo is a gnome... |
| 23:31.19 | Shefki | If there's one mistake Blizzard has made this time around. |
| 23:31.30 | Shefki | The mistake would be disabling addons on beta for so long. |
| 23:31.47 | ckknight | Repo is not a gnome! |
| 23:32.13 | Torhal | ckknight: Is it a k'nigget? |
| 23:32.38 | Avis | to be fair they did make a ton of ui changes that would have been much harder to get finished if addons were enabled |
| 23:32.49 | Shefki | Avis: That's nonsense. |
| 23:32.55 | ckknight | Torhal: go away or I shall taunt you a second time! |
| 23:33.06 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 23:33.20 | Shefki | Avis: Addons don't diminish their ability to fix bugs. |
| 23:33.37 | arkanes | Shefki: do you know what addon Dargen works on? Maybe I can look at whatever he has |
| 23:33.40 | Shefki | No addons elimiate our ability to fix bugs entirely. |
| 23:33.49 | Shefki | arkanes: No idea. |
| 23:34.12 | Avis | They would have kept the majority of the players from testing new ui features, and tainted error reports with errors that had nothing to do with the new ui stuff at all |
| 23:34.27 | Shefki | Disabling addons and /run /dump eliminated our ability to work with the new APIs and provide feedback. |
| 23:34.55 | Shefki | Avis: Addons can expose errors that they made. |
| 23:35.03 | Shefki | So the argument that it taints the errors isn't entirely true. |
| 23:35.27 | Shefki | Examples of errors that have been caught due to addons is globalized variables that shouldn't have been global. |
| 23:35.43 | Shefki | It swings both ways. |
| 23:35.50 | Shefki | It's not a net benefit to their community. |
| 23:36.16 | Avis | Unfortuantely every player isnt an addon auther, all they see is an error, and if that error doesnt explicitly have the addon's name in it they'll report it to blizz |
| 23:36.25 | Shefki | The addon community is several months behind on adapting to this patch form where we would be if they hadn't done this. |
| 23:36.31 | Kemayo | I think it's fair that they wanted to force everyone to use the default UI, so they could get feedback on it. |
| 23:36.36 | vhaarr | Avis: then perhaps they should pick their beta testers more carefully |
| 23:36.51 | Shefki | Kemayo: Here's my feedback, it still sucks. |
| 23:37.01 | Kemayo | If they could have enabled addons just for addon authors then that'd be another thing. |
| 23:37.15 | SqueeG | beta testers should be educated enough to know how to beta rtest properly |
| 23:37.24 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libmounts-1-0/. LibMounts-1.0. yssaril (Manager/Author), Adirelle (Maintainer). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 23:37.28 | Avis | Better selection of testers would be nice lol. The majority of testers seem to think that the beta is just a demo |
| 23:37.35 | Shefki | SqueeG: Well the problem is they don't pick their beta testers in an educated way. |
| 23:37.38 | Shefki | THey throw a RNG at it. |
| 23:37.58 | Kemayo | You need to include plenty of not-very-educated people in a test like that. Otherwise all you know is that the elite can understand your new mechanics. |
| 23:39.31 | Kemayo | I think they rely on the friends-and-family test for actual smart testers. |
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| 23:40.10 | zerix | anybody using the latest oUF? |
| 23:40.19 | zerix | just updated and im not even getting frames |
| 23:40.24 | Avis | Probably why they started giving out auther keys so far before they actually enabled addons too |
| 23:41.03 | Shefki | From my perspective, this has been one of the worst development cycles I've ever seen out of Blizzard. Take on say another 2-3 months onto this cycle and the delay in enabling addons would have been fine. |
| 23:41.09 | SqueeG | eh... throw a default message in when ever an error is thrown in beta |
| 23:41.20 | SqueeG | "DISABLE ALL ADDONS AND TRY *ACTION* AGAIN" |
| 23:41.22 | SqueeG | :p |
| 23:41.28 | Shefki | SqueeG: Nobody would listen to that. |
| 23:41.35 | SqueeG | bah |
| 23:41.45 | Shadowed | The point of disabling addons, run and /dump was to stop people from working with APIs that wasn't finished yet |
| 23:41.57 | Shadowed | a lot of them were buggy even before they disabled /run and /dump |
| 23:42.21 | Shefki | Shadowed: Great so remove the ability to work with them so we can provide feedback on them until they're set in stone. |
| 23:42.21 | starlon | Advanced Visualization Studio -- http://imgur.com/8KsEc |
| 23:42.31 | Avis | My favorite thing in beta was the people asking why they couldn't fly </sarcasm> |
| 23:42.43 | Shadowed | Yes, providing feedback on a broken API is helpful |
| 23:43.04 | Shefki | Shadowed: It's helpful if you have ideas about how to make it better. |
| 23:45.05 | Shefki | Just becuase the car doesn't run right doesn't mean I can't say that the stearing wheel isn't comfortable and that the radio dial is too far away. |
| 23:45.07 | Shadowed | Also what Avis said is pretty accurate, forcing people to use the default UI means they get to test their UI before it goes live |
| 23:45.22 | Shadowed | and this time around, compared to WOTLK and TBC, they redid a metric ton |
| 23:46.09 | Shadowed | Blizzards priority (and it's the right one) is to make sure their UI works correctly, not to make sure your addon works correctly |
| 23:46.38 | Shefki | Shadowed: And that should be their priority, but my addon running has zero to do with their UI testing. |
| 23:46.43 | Shadowed | yes it does |
| 23:46.48 | Shefki | Any argument that it does is complete nonsense. |
| 23:46.59 | Shadowed | people release the addons that run on beta, and then you have less people testing the UI |
| 23:47.14 | Shadowed | especially in things like parties, raids etc, you cut the total number of people testing |
| 23:47.30 | Vonhinten | Shefki, think of how much old shit they had to go through as part of this expansion.. it's no wonder it would be one of the worst dev cycles yet... |
| 23:47.32 | SqueeG | so what's the issue buff addons are having? |
| 23:47.39 | SqueeG | not being able to cancel buffs? |
| 23:47.47 | Shefki | SqueeG: Yes. |
| 23:48.02 | Vonhinten | they're touching assets and code they probably haven't touched in years |
| 23:48.03 | SqueeG | can it be done via macro? |
| 23:48.12 | Shefki | SqueeG: Yes /cancelaura |
| 23:48.30 | SqueeG | so... auto generate macros? |
| 23:48.43 | Shefki | SqueeG: Can only do that out of combat, next. |
| 23:48.47 | Vonhinten | not to mention, while all this is going on, they're addin in new DX11 features |
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| 23:49.24 | Shefki | They changed very little in relation to party frames. |
| 23:49.28 | Shefki | Raid frames they did change massively. |
| 23:49.32 | Shefki | However, there's no raid content. |
| 23:49.43 | Shefki | So I don't see how they expect to get good testing on that anyway. |
| 23:50.18 | Vonhinten | internal testing? |
| 23:50.24 | Shadowed | Last I saw, they added a beta party frames that used the raid frame code |
| 23:50.27 | Shadowed | so they were still able to test it |
| 23:50.41 | Shefki | That's like testing your space shuttle by strapping it to a train. |
| 23:50.51 | Shefki | Yay it didn't fall apart on the train ride. |
| 23:51.03 | Shadowed | also battlegrounds were raids |
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| 23:51.12 | Shadowed | Yes, clearly Blizzard never tested it internally too |
| 23:51.27 | Shefki | Where did I say they didn't test it internally? |
| 23:52.27 | Vonhinten | "good" testing |
| 23:52.49 | Vonhinten | that's all a matter of how much focus it gets... I think you can have good testing internally |
| 23:53.03 | Shefki | That's pretty much my point. |
| 23:53.11 | Shefki | If they want to test their UI, they have the ability to test it. |
| 23:53.24 | Shefki | Ask their employees not to use addons. Ask their friends and family not to use them. |
| 23:53.29 | Shefki | That's more than a big enough pool. |
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| 23:53.37 | Shadowed | rolleyes |
| 23:57.28 | Shefki | You know if good feedback was important to them they could fix their feedback tool. It's thrown an error on me the entire beta. |
| 23:58.23 | Vonhinten | Shefki, I made that same remark about 6 weeks ago :T |
| 23:58.33 | Vonhinten | They don't even have the new zones listed in the WHERE area |
| 23:58.45 | Shefki | It's had the same bugs for ages. |
| 23:58.52 | Shefki | Someone just throws the same old thing in the client. |
