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| 00:01.23 | Amadeo | there a broker plugin that puts the help bar in it? |
| 00:07.02 | Yssaril | Amadeo: help bar? |
| 00:07.32 | bluspacecow | ? |
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| 00:11.04 | Amadeo | whatever it's called |
| 00:11.11 | Amadeo | with the thing to open GM tickets, etc |
| 00:11.11 | Amadeo | :) |
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| 00:12.43 | thelibrarian | bah, or the events for breaking auras could just be fubar'd in 4.0.1. Well, dark_elf turns out my addon works fine, but blizzard broke the combat log :P |
| 00:13.43 | Dark_Elf | blames blizzard for breaking wow and its combat log |
| 00:17.10 | orionshock | hehe, that's what we get when all the talent goes over to SC2 |
| 00:20.30 | Dark_Elf | awe they will be back, you can guarantee that! |
| 00:21.05 | Zhinjio | Amadeo: picobuttons |
| 00:21.33 | Dark_Elf | picobuttons that sounds like a tekkub addon |
| 00:21.39 | Zhinjio | and yssdrop if you want it in a nice menu form |
| 00:21.48 | Zhinjio | Dark_Elf: yes, it is |
| 00:22.46 | Dark_Elf | i used it in past, is a tekkub fanboi ! |
| 00:23.28 | pompy1 | has blizzard said anything about what the "Applying non-critical updates" means on the launcher |
| 00:23.58 | Yssaril | it means that it is applying updates that are not critical for play :P |
| 00:24.37 | thelibrarian | do you still get that if you do a complete fresh downloaded install of 4.0? I got the impression it was the final part of the migration from the old mpq layout to the new one |
| 00:25.24 | Yssaril | thelibrarian: naw it just happened after the latest beta patch |
| 00:25.59 | thelibrarian | ah if it happens on beta too then that isn't it |
| 00:26.25 | thelibrarian | it might be folding the patch mpqs into the base though |
| 00:26.28 | thelibrarian | for performance |
| 00:27.00 | thelibrarian | might keep on eye on the "Data\Cache" subdir while it's doing that and see if those files change in size / date |
| 00:27.02 | Dark_Elf | i noticed one thing annoying now, it seems blizzard makes me, check auto loot for each character i play now where as before it would be global |
| 00:29.17 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0: 03yssaril * r28 LibMounts-1.0/LibMounts-1.0.lua: fix documentation from AQ to Temple of Ahn'Qiraj |
| 00:31.23 | Parnic | that dark_elf: annoys the crap out of me |
| 00:31.23 | Parnic | at least "sticky targeting" was a global setting |
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| 00:34.10 | Dark_Elf | :p |
| 00:35.10 | Dark_Elf | also it seems volume dont want to save either, seems i lower it next time i play its 100% loud again |
| 00:36.42 | Dark_Elf | thinks blizzard needs to hire some of you great addon authors to work for them |
| 00:37.57 | starlon | Is there a buff mod that doesn't hide the Blizz buffs? |
| 00:40.51 | Arrowmaster | Dark_Elf: i would but last i checked they werent paying relocation benefits |
| 00:43.23 | Primer | Anyone know of a zone that has all 3 AlwaysUpFrames...always up? |
| 00:43.27 | Primer | that's not a bg |
| 00:43.55 | Primer | hrmm, I actually live close to Blizz...maybe I should apply |
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| 00:49.52 | Yssaril | Primer: epl or silithus possibly |
| 00:51.59 | Primer | I thought about EPL, but it only shows 2 |
| 00:52.04 | Primer | Horde and Alliace |
| 00:52.07 | Primer | just like Hellfire |
| 00:52.23 | Primer | the only place I know that shows 3 is WG (when it's on), and bgs like WSG |
| 00:52.38 | Primer | Alliance X/3 caps, Horde Y/3 caps, and the timer |
| 00:53.04 | Yssaril | not sure did you check the silithus one though? |
| 00:54.12 | Primer | I thought of it, but it's a long haul :) |
| 00:54.44 | Primer | Basically trying to convince the author of MoveAnything that these frames can't be moved via his addon |
| 00:56.05 | Primer | I really wish I could right click off PB buffs |
| 00:56.10 | Primer | damn pumpkin head |
| 00:57.08 | arkanes | frikkin secure aura header is full of bugs and uselessness :\ |
| 00:57.36 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza * r39 OldInstanceFinder.toc: Updated for 4.0.1 |
| 00:57.46 | arkanes | I guess I should check the beta and see if they fixed anything |
| 00:57.49 | Parnic | starlon: ct_buffmod has an option to display bliz buffs |
| 00:57.49 | Repo | 10gimplist: 03DrKazza * r46 Gimplist.toc: Updated for 4.0.1 |
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| 01:07.30 | Rokiyo | has anyone seen Antiarc in the last week? |
| 01:07.42 | Parnic | ~seen antiarc |
| 01:07.48 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (4d 15h 52m 34s) #wowace (4d 15h 52m 34s) #curseforge (4d 15h 52m 34s). Has said a total of 62 messages. Is idling for 2d 2h 11m 10s, last said: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding'. |
| 01:08.04 | Rokiyo | lol, nice |
| 01:08.32 | thelibrarian | ~seen purl |
| 01:08.33 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (23h 20m 39s) #botpark (23h 20m 39s) #linuxfund (23h 20m 39s) #waruidev (23h 20m 39s) #how (23h 20m 39s) #sc2mapster (23h 20m 39s) #edev (23h 20m 39s) #fossfund (23h 20m 39s) #hosernet (23h 20m 39s) #norganna (23h 20m 39s) #ud (23h 20m 39s) ##ducleague (23h 20m 39s) ##kierra (23h 20m 39s) #dub (23h 20m 39s) #teleconf (23h 20m 39s) ... |
| 01:09.00 | Parnic | hosernet? :P |
| 01:10.02 | Rokiyo | there's a bug in SexyCooldown, and someone wrote a fix for it 5 days ago (and posted it to the appropriate ticket), but there's been no update to the addon |
| 01:10.24 | Rokiyo | Antiarc's listed as the author for that mod, hence me asking |
| 01:10.53 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza 04v1.04 * r40 : Tagging as v1.04 |
| 01:10.53 | Parnic | yeah well someone wrote a fix to libdogtag in may of 2009 that never got added in either :P |
| 01:11.03 | Parnic | not that it's antiarc's, just sayin |
| 01:11.50 | Rokiyo | lol, you have control over that, no? why didn't it get added? |
| 01:12.09 | Parnic | i was only recently granted control over it and i didn't know the fix existed |
| 01:12.15 | Parnic | i added it a couple days ago |
| 01:12.16 | Rokiyo | ahh |
| 01:12.29 | Repo | 10gimplist: 03DrKazza 04v1.07 * r47 : Tagging as v1.07 |
| 01:13.27 | Parnic | any balance druids around that i can bug about eclipse mechanics? |
| 01:14.27 | Rokiyo | i haven't played with em myself, but I have read up on them... what's your question anyway? |
| 01:14.30 | Shefki | Parnic: What do you want to know? |
| 01:14.47 | Parnic | when you first login/reload ui is there any way to know which direction the bar is heading? |
| 01:14.56 | Parnic | i see the event for direction change but didn't know if you could get that info without the event firing |
| 01:15.09 | Shefki | Use the function. |
| 01:15.22 | Shefki | Just look at Blizzard's implementation. |
| 01:15.24 | Parnic | which "the function" is that? ;) |
| 01:15.28 | Parnic | alrighty |
| 01:16.36 | Parnic | ah, GetEclipseDirection(), wasn't seeing it before |
| 01:17.20 | Shefki | There you go. :) |
| 01:17.55 | Parnic | can't believe i asked to ask. i've used ~asktoask on many a person |
| 01:17.57 | Parnic | ~fail Parnic |
| 01:17.57 | purl | Parnic, you Fail! |
| 01:18.35 | Shefki | Parnic: If you want you can also look at my code. |
| 01:18.51 | Parnic | pb4? |
| 01:18.55 | Shefki | Yup. |
| 01:19.09 | Parnic | i wrote my eclipse module back when the bar could move either direction at any time and the value decayed over time |
| 01:19.19 | Parnic | i didn't find out until post-4.0.1 release that it had been changed :P |
| 01:19.30 | Shefki | Shouldn't matter to our module. |
| 01:19.34 | Shefki | your |
| 01:19.46 | Parnic | well the users want to know which direction it's heading and my module doesn't give any indication |
| 01:19.54 | Shefki | Ahh |
| 01:21.27 | Shefki | I'm using their arrow for now I haven't gotten around to making my own art. |
| 01:21.33 | Shefki | Their arrow sucks. |
| 01:21.41 | Repo | 10coconuts: 03LordFarlander * r224 Coconuts.lua: Coconuts: |
| 01:21.41 | Repo | - Fix full scaling mounts not being added to ground sets |
| 01:21.43 | Repo | - May still have the reverse problem that flying only can get into ground sets? |
| 01:21.54 | Parnic | yeah i can't use their arrow since my bars can be any arbitrary shape |
| 01:22.06 | Parnic | i love when people ask for buffs to curve around the bars on the hud |
| 01:22.14 | Shefki | Sure you can. |
| 01:22.20 | Parnic | explain! :P |
| 01:22.39 | Shefki | It's just as square with an arrow on it. |
| 01:22.46 | Shefki | Rotate it any which way you want. |
| 01:22.49 | Parnic | yeah but blech |
| 01:23.00 | Parnic | it won't fit with the motif! ;) |
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| 01:24.17 | Parnic | hey while you're here...you know of any way to make something other than a square clickable? i'd love to be able to use the non-alphad part of my bar textures as the clickable region rather than an awkward block around it that overlaps other bars |
| 01:24.42 | Parnic | er, other than a rectangle* technically ;) |
| 01:24.56 | Repo | 10coconuts: 03LordFarlander 043.0.225 * r225 : Tagging as 3.0.225 |
| 01:26.23 | Repo | 10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak * r78 / (3 files in 2 directories): fixed for WoW 4.0.1 |
| 01:26.24 | Repo | added zhCN localization by s8095324 - thank you |
| 01:26.25 | Repo | added localization credits: lepaperwan (frFR), Breshed (deDE) |
| 01:26.26 | Repo | (drycode - servers are down :() |
| 01:27.57 | Rokiyo | heh... I don't want buffs curving around bars... though that would be very cool come to think of it... but I do want buff & debuff modules that can be position independently from targetinfo :P |
| 01:28.17 | arkanes | Parnic: you could make lots of 1 pixel buttons! |
| 01:28.24 | Parnic | arkanes: hahaha, genius |
| 01:28.39 | Rokiyo | at the moment I've got an invisibe PB4 target frame that i'm using soley to place the buffs & debuffs where i want them |
| 01:28.59 | Parnic | rokiyo: i really hate the idea of making a buff/debuff module given the recent changes to secure them. that and i feel like that's an area that a specialized mod can do much better |
| 01:29.13 | Rokiyo | fair enough |
| 01:29.34 | Parnic | plus i honestly don't bother with buffs/debuffs. the only thing i ever care about is stuff that either DBM warns me about or is a spell that i can interrupt casting on |
| 01:29.45 | Parnic | so if it doesn't affect me i'm much less likely to write a module for it :P |
| 01:29.58 | Parnic | which is incidentally one of the reasons the eclipse bar is behind the times...i don't have a balance druid |
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| 01:30.04 | Rokiyo | ah lol |
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| 01:30.15 | Rokiyo | well at least you're open to user submissions :P |
| 01:30.37 | Parnic | heck yes. distribute that workload |
| 01:30.40 | Rokiyo | speaking of which... reading through the code for sexycooldown has given me a new appreciation for how much more readable your code is >.< |
| 01:30.52 | Parnic | aww |
| 01:30.57 | Parnic | OO is fun |
| 01:31.06 | Rokiyo | indeed |
| 01:31.37 | Parnic | now if only icehud wasn't such a memory hog :P |
| 01:31.54 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 01:31.59 | Parnic | i plugged a leak the other day that brought garbage generation way down (out of combat, anyway) but still don't know where the heck the memory is going |
| 01:32.11 | Parnic | and there are no good tools that i've found to really pinpoint it. primarily because wow doesn't offer any api to get the information |
| 01:32.26 | Rokiyo | ah, fail :( |
| 01:32.46 | Rokiyo | hrm... |
| 01:33.35 | Rokiyo | i guess one very long and tedious way to go about it would be to do a nolibs install, and then go a step further and turn every module into an indepedent plugin-style addon |
| 01:33.48 | Rokiyo | then you could profile each addon independently :s |
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| 01:34.04 | Parnic | yeah i'd basically have to rip out every module from the toc and just run playerhealth, figure out what's going on, then move on |
| 01:34.11 | Parnic | but if it's just creating frames that's doing it then i'm screwed, lol |
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| 01:35.24 | Parnic | or just rewrite it completely: |
| 01:35.27 | Parnic | @project pxhud |
| 01:35.36 | Parnic | taps his foot at Repo |
| 01:35.46 | Parnic | checks his watch |
| 01:35.51 | Rokiyo | o.O |
| 01:36.10 | Parnic | yo, repo! |
| 01:36.38 | Parnic | ah screw it. i wanted to rewrite all of icehud and then the sheer volume of code made me sad so i stopped |
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| 01:38.20 | steevdave | so /cast @name not working ? |
| 01:38.20 | steevdave | i'm trying to do /cast @Protocol Unholy Frenzy |
| 01:38.20 | steevdave | but clicking on it, it just does nothing |
| 01:38.20 | steevdave | i think i have to use [target=name] because of the space |
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| 01:38.22 | thelibrarian | ? |
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| 01:38.45 | Repo | 10handy-notes_charon: 03zarevak * r33 / (3 files in 2 directories): updated TOC to 40000 |
| 01:38.45 | Repo | added zhCN localization by s8095324 |
| 01:38.45 | Repo | added ruRU localization by allionatorus and The_DimoK |
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| 01:38.45 | Repo | 10handy-notes_city-guide: 03zarevak * r28 / (3 files in 2 directories): fixed for WoW 4.0.1 |
| 01:38.45 | Repo | added zhCN localization by s8095324 |
| 01:38.45 | Repo | updated localization credits: lepaperwan (frFR), Farook (deDE) |
| 01:38.45 | Repo | (drycoded - servers are down) |
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| 01:39.13 | Parnic | netsplit...that explains that. |
| 01:39.20 | thelibrarian | let's do the time warp again |
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| 01:47.24 | Antiarc | Rokiyo: I'm around, just been busy |
| 01:47.43 | Rokiyo | oh hai |
| 01:47.51 | Rokiyo | fair enough |
| 01:48.57 | Rokiyo | there are 2 more bugs in sexycooldown that have been found, and DYI fixes have been posted by different people at http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sexycooldown.aspx?CommentPage=2 and http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/tickets/49-error-on-load-in-wow-4-0-1/ |
| 01:49.17 | Antiarc | great. I'll see if I can get fixes in before I leave for Blizzcon |
| 01:49.37 | Rokiyo | oh nice! *jealous* |
| 01:49.45 | Repo | Parnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pxhud/. PxHUD. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Parnic (Manager/Author). Updated: 138 days ago |
| 01:49.47 | Repo | 10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak * r79 / (3 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 01:49.48 | Repo | working on 4.0.1 compatibility - still doesn't work! |
| 01:49.49 | Repo | updated TOC |
| 01:49.49 | Repo | added zhCN localization by s8095324 |
| 01:49.51 | Repo | updated localization credits: Farook (deDE), lastdans (frFR) |
| 01:49.55 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 01:49.57 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r455 modules/Cooldowns.lua: |
| 01:49.58 | Repo | Update some talent scanners for 4.0; drycoded. Also added tons of new spells to track for most classes. |
| 01:50.00 | Rokiyo | repo's late to the party |
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| 01:57.49 | vhaarr | kagaro: are you sure GetPartyAssignment won't trigger the "not in party"? |
| 01:58.27 | vhaarr | kagaro: please read the latest comment on http://www.wowace.com/addons/ora3/ |
| 01:58.31 | Rokiyo | so what's everyone using instead of cowtip these days? |
| 01:59.07 | vhaarr | ~seen mysticalos |
| 01:59.09 | purl | mysticalos <~Myst@h107.108.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6d 23h 40m 3s ago, saying: 'ah'. |
| 02:02.48 | kagaro | vhaarr: everywhere I do GetPartyAssigment its also checking InRaid |
| 02:03.06 | kagaro | ill recheck right now in a raid and pass it a bogus player |
| 02:03.31 | vhaarr | you check oRA:InRaid() which just checks whether or not you are in a raid group |
| 02:03.36 | vhaarr | not if the given tank is in your raid |
| 02:04.58 | kagaro | it does oRA:InRaid() and GetPartyAssignment("MAINTANK", tank) |
| 02:05.01 | kagaro | in every check |
| 02:05.17 | kagaro | ohh well crap lemme fix that |
| 02:05.17 | vhaarr | yes? |
| 02:05.36 | vhaarr | there are other problems as well with this stuff |
| 02:06.01 | vhaarr | I did a 10man run and all my saved tanks were suddenly removed from the list |
| 02:06.34 | kagaro | well i can just remove out the if a tank is deleted dont add him back via role selection |
| 02:06.59 | vhaarr | that was my requirement for this in the first place |
| 02:07.05 | vhaarr | and the only sane behavior |
| 02:07.27 | kagaro | im not sure why your saved tanks vanish |
| 02:07.58 | vhaarr | I don't understand how you want this to work either, you don't register for the event that sets a new MAINTANK |
| 02:08.10 | vhaarr | ah roster changes it |
| 02:08.13 | kagaro | its register for RoleChange |
| 02:08.17 | kagaro | ya |
| 02:08.43 | vhaarr | you shouldn't do it like that |
| 02:08.57 | vhaarr | you trigger a oRA OnTanksChanged when in fact the tanks are not sure to have changed at all |
| 02:09.22 | vhaarr | the /blizzard tanks/ changed, but oRA3 core doesn't know whether or not oRA3s Tank module wants the internal tanks to change or not until after |
| 02:09.39 | vhaarr | so it shouldn't trigger the OnTanksChanged |
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| 02:09.50 | Amadeo | So I just got enough money for Artisan Flying as a Human Death Knight...can I get this cheaper anywhere? |
| 02:09.51 | vhaarr | you should register for PLAYER_ROLE_UPDATE or whatever the blizzard event for it is in the Tanks module |
| 02:10.12 | vhaarr | and then in the event handler check whether or not that tank should be moved up to the preferred tanks or not |
| 02:10.22 | arkanes | Amadeo: you can get rep discounts in dal or hellfire |
| 02:10.24 | vhaarr | and if that tank has not been manually deleted earlier in the session |
| 02:10.26 | vhaarr | then you can add it |
| 02:10.31 | vhaarr | and that's ALL there is to it really |
| 02:10.33 | vhaarr | nothing else |
| 02:10.52 | Amadeo | arkanes: damn, I need rep :P |
| 02:10.52 | vhaarr | so please revert everything you did and code it as specified above |
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| 02:20.01 | Repo | 10ora3: 03kagaro * r456 / (2 files in 2 directories): Revert out the Role Check tanks. |
| 02:20.37 | Torhal | Bah. I opened my first "Loot Filled Pumpkin" and see the message "There is no loot." |
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| 02:24.58 | Repo | 10rw2: 03kagaro * r650 RaidWatch_Tracker/Prototypes (2 files in 1 directory): Bugfix on reload |
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| 02:49.41 | Firepatch | Does anyone know the shaman Overload mechanic.... if it leaves any evidence of its "proc" in the combat log? |
| 02:58.57 | Rokiyo | I don't, but that should be real easy to test... Roll a new shaman, get it to level 10, type /combatlog, then go attack stuff until the mastery procs. Then go take a peek inside World of Warcraft\Logs\WoWCombatLog.txt and see if it's in there |
| 02:59.37 | Rokiyo | On first read, it looks like it behaves just like druid's Fury Swipes, and that does generate a combat log event |
| 03:02.53 | MindWorX` | Rokiyo, You know you don't get mastery until level 50 right? :P |
| 03:03.06 | MindWorX` | So can't just roll a new one to level 10, need to get it to level 50 :) |
| 03:03.08 | Rokiyo | rofl /facepalm |
| 03:03.14 | Rokiyo | good point |
| 03:03.24 | Rokiyo | goes back into his corner |
| 03:03.42 | MindWorX` | Reminds me that i have a shaman with unspent talenpoints that level 69ish i think |
| 03:04.04 | MindWorX` | First char ever made |
| 03:04.23 | Rokiyo | i miss my first char... very stupidly deleted it a couple of years ago :( |
| 03:04.27 | Rokiyo | i still regret doing that |
| 03:04.30 | MindWorX` | Ouch |
| 03:04.53 | Rokiyo | I hadn't played it in another year since before then... but it was nice knowing it still existed |
| 03:05.11 | MindWorX` | I should get mine to 80 |
| 03:05.20 | MindWorX` | Not like it'd take that much of my time |
| 03:05.46 | MindWorX` | Just need to choose what i want to use him for :P His gear is all crap between enhancement and elemental |
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| 03:11.37 | Repo | 10ora3: 03kagaro * r457 modules/Tanks.lua: |
| 03:11.38 | Repo | Updated tanks modules as per rspecs requested. We only check when a player choose tank to add them to the tank list if they werent previously deleted from the tank list. |
| 03:12.32 | kagaro | vhaarr: that should do it |
| 03:13.12 | nebula | aaaah, vharr, many xA0 spell chars on rank >0 lines on cooldowns |
| 03:13.20 | nebula | s/spell/special/ |
| 03:21.03 | vhaarr | kagaro: cool |
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| 03:29.57 | Rokiyo | is there any major downside to using nolib installs if you always keep your libs up to date? or is it always considered a "bad" thing to do? |
| 03:31.16 | Parnic | i'm unaware of any major problems aside from just hoping that the addon works properly with no-lib |
| 03:31.30 | Parnic | some authors (guilty) never test that way so don't actually know how it works |
| 03:31.33 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r98 / (7 files in 3 directories): |
| 03:31.34 | Repo | - verified compatibility with Cataclysm beta and updated TOC interface version |
| 03:31.35 | Repo | - overhauled preset categories to match (de)buff changes in 4.0.1/Cataclysm |
| 03:31.36 | Repo | - fixed a bug when displaying stacks on the spiral for auras that don't stack |
| 03:31.37 | Rokiyo | ahh, fair enough |
| 03:31.37 | Repo | - updated embedded library externals |
| 03:31.56 | thelibrarian | the biggest risk is that an author forgets to OptDep something they're embedding, and you get weird issues with load order |
| 03:32.03 | thelibrarian | but that's a bug and if you find one you should report it :) |
| 03:32.12 | Parnic | ^^ |
| 03:32.26 | Rokiyo | i've been looking into icehud's mem usage, and was wanting to be sure I wasn't getting lib memory usage included in the mem report |
| 03:32.50 | MindWorX` | robokitty, You can use nolib as long as you remember to be atleast level 50 before testing overload :D |
| 03:32.57 | Parnic | yeah that's important. last time i checked it worked fine no-lib. i'm fairly certain that my optdeps are correct :) |
| 03:32.58 | MindWorX` | Ehh |
| 03:33.02 | MindWorX` | Rokiyo* |
| 03:33.20 | Rokiyo | rofl, thanks mind :P |
| 03:33.26 | thelibrarian | I run everything with Ace3 disembedded, and a few other libs that occur a lot (LibStub, CBH, LibQTip, LibPeriodicTable) disembedded, just to save disk space and a tiny bit of load time |
| 03:33.48 | thelibrarian | have only very rarely had issues because of it, and they were easy to fix |
| 03:33.55 | Yssaril | thelibrarian: what kinda tiny hard drave do you have to need to save space? |
| 03:34.19 | nebula | if anything, the only gain is faster loading time, no? |
| 03:34.22 | thelibrarian | I use unison to keep my addons and savedvariables in sync across about 5 different machines |
| 03:34.32 | thelibrarian | it's more to save transfer time when i'm on a crappy hotel conneciton or something, not disk space |
| 03:34.43 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 03:35.10 | thelibrarian | plus it gives me a central place to override things I don't like, like AceDB :P |
| 03:35.15 | Yssaril | was gonna say WD just anounced their 3TB drives so room shouldnt be an issue :P |
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| 03:35.59 | Rokiyo | random bit of trivia from my digging: Icehud normally sits at 2.2mb on my lvl20 mage... But when I broke all the IceUnitBar modules by accidentally making a syntax error, Icehud's usage went down to 1.4mb |
| 03:36.18 | Rokiyo | sooo... all the modules based on IceUnitBar are eating a massive chunk of Icehud's total memory usage |
| 03:36.37 | Parnic | well given that a fair percentage of the bars are unitbars, that sounds like an accurate amount |
| 03:36.45 | thelibrarian | i'd hardly consider 640k a massive chunk |
| 03:36.46 | Yssaril | Rokiyo: memory usage is mostly irrelevent as long as it doesnt grow indefinatly |
| 03:37.05 | Torhal | thelibrarian: Override AceDB, eh? What's wrong with it. |
| 03:37.08 | Torhal | ? |
| 03:37.09 | Rokiyo | hrm, fair enough |
| 03:37.09 | MindWorX` | I hate how horribly broken the new Nameplates are |
| 03:37.21 | Rokiyo | are you using aloft? |
| 03:37.22 | Parnic | yssaril: it's mostly an intellectual exercise. i was just saying that i don't *know* where the memory is going in icehud |
| 03:37.29 | thelibrarian | Torhal: nothing big. I disagree with the decision to default to per-character profiles. |
| 03:37.36 | thelibrarian | so I override mine to default to an account-wide profile |
| 03:38.04 | thelibrarian | just a personal preference, really |
| 03:38.05 | Yssaril | Parnic: tables, functions, strings :) |
| 03:38.19 | Rokiyo | try fiddling with setting /console bloattest to 0 or 1, it fixes/breaks nameplates for some people :P |
| 03:38.22 | Parnic | yeah but there's no way to itemize it in lua so it all just disappears |
| 03:38.38 | Parnic | if i could pinpoint the biggest offenders then i could knock the mem usage down |
| 03:38.42 | MindWorX` | Rokiyo, I'd just like to simply disable the new ones until they fix it |
| 03:38.49 | MindWorX` | But i can't find the setting to do so |
| 03:38.53 | Torhal | thelibrarian: Oh. I never use a default. I always specify global, realm, or, when needed, character |
| 03:38.53 | Parnic | to some people they see it as a failure of the mod to be "high" in memory. i've heard the "bloat" complaint more than once about icehud |
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| 03:39.11 | Torhal | Parnic: People are fucking retarded. End of story. Next? |
| 03:39.30 | MindWorX` | I've heard that story before :D |
| 03:39.35 | Parnic | torhal: no disagreement. i still want to understand what it's doing so i have actual facts with which to refute their claims :) |
| 03:39.37 | MindWorX` | It's always been true |
| 03:39.39 | Yssaril | Parnic: usualy you just end up using more CPU cycles when trying to conserve memory which imo is worse i want my CPU cycles for rendering the game world not asted on addons (if at all possible) |
| 03:40.01 | Parnic | yssaril: certainly but there are always cases where it's an easy "oh, that was dumb." case to save mem/cpu |
| 03:40.08 | Parnic | and without good profiling tools those are exceptionally hard to find |
| 03:40.36 | Torhal | Parnic: luac -l |
| 03:40.43 | Torhal | Look at the segments, it shows memory overhead |
| 03:40.57 | Parnic | torhal: i am unfamiliar with that. i may look into it later |
| 03:41.00 | Parnic | thanks for the tip |
| 03:41.13 | Rokiyo | I found http://fmeus.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/optimizing-memory-usage-in-lua/ to be an interesting read... They reduced the memory usage of UberInventory by about 2-3MB primarily by splitting all their 2D arrays into 1D |
| 03:41.52 | Torhal | Parnic: Here's a sample of the output |
| 03:41.55 | Torhal | function <Main.lua:870,962> (163 instructions, 652 bytes at 0x1d84e10) |
| 03:41.57 | Torhal | 2 params, 42 slots, 4 upvalues, 41 locals, 27 constants, 0 functions |
| 03:42.00 | thelibrarian | Torhal: yeah, a lot of addons just use the AceDB default though, which is the character-specific profile. I can't be bothered to manually select a profile on each addon so I just do it in the one place I know will hit them all :) |
| 03:42.21 | Torhal | thelibrarian: This goes back to my "People are fucking retarded" argument. |
| 03:42.36 | thelibrarian | oh, I understand the reasons for using that default, don't get me wrong |
| 03:42.42 | Torhal | Defaults are the best! herpderp! |
| 03:42.55 | thelibrarian | 95% pof people who use ace addons have no clue what a profile is or how to use one |
| 03:43.16 | Torhal | Too many authors (using the term lightly) write shit without actually thinking about it in detail. |
| 03:43.19 | Torhal | Granularity. |
| 03:43.22 | Yssaril | Rokiyo: yea rule of thumb in lua (at least when you care about memory) stay away from LOTS of small tables |
| 03:44.06 | Parnic | pretty sure icehud is incredibly guilty of going "hey this table thing is pretty sweet. let's use tons." |
| 03:44.19 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 03:44.47 | Torhal | Rokiyo: I shaved off about 3MB in Ackis Recipe List when loading a single profession by switching to bitflags. When loading all of the professions, memory usage went from 20MB to 12MB. |
| 03:45.04 | Rokiyo | :O |
| 03:45.11 | Parnic | on startup icehud uses 12+mb. first GC rips 10mb of that away |
| 03:45.16 | Parnic | i don't have the slightest clue what's going on there :P |
| 03:45.18 | Torhal | It was allocating 128 true/false values for potential flags. |
| 03:45.21 | Yssaril | Torhal: bitflags? |
| 03:45.28 | Yssaril | OHHHH |
| 03:45.30 | thelibrarian | Torhal: on the flipside, if there wasn't a native library, I bet doing bit flipping in pure lua would incur a significant CPU increase |
| 03:45.31 | Parnic | yssaril: 00100111001 |
| 03:45.43 | Torhal | thelibrarian: It still does. |
| 03:45.50 | Torhal | It's function calls instead of operations |
| 03:46.16 | Yssaril | but the case of ARL speed is not 100% important |
| 03:46.37 | Torhal | It's always a tradeoff. I saw no reason to use that much memory for -potential- flags, and flag-checking isn't on an iterative loop, so I made the switch |
| 03:46.38 | thelibrarian | right, just more fuel for the memory usage being orthagonal to CPU usage argument |
| 03:46.39 | nebula | speed is always important ! |
| 03:47.11 | thelibrarian | but if you can do it all up front to minimize the impact like in ARL it can be worth it |
| 03:48.41 | Rokiyo | i hear another place where you can generate a lot of garbage is stuff like for i=1, #strings do text = text .. strings[i] end |
| 03:48.51 | Rokiyo | apparently doing that generates a brand spanking new string on each iteration |
| 03:49.09 | Parnic | wouldn't that just be garbage though? |
| 03:49.09 | Rokiyo | and you're better off just doing one table.concat at the end |
| 03:49.21 | Parnic | i mean it's going to be stack allocations |
| 03:49.31 | Yssaril | i wrote a personal drop rate addon that saves to a table but writes it out to a long string when logging off then if needed converts it back to a table (saves 15MB) but causes significant overhead when it decompresses a string |
| 03:49.42 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r688 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 03:49.43 | Repo | - fixed SetBottomText1 to propertly set text colors on the upper text line |
| 03:49.44 | Repo | - eclipse bar now colors the numerical value to whatever direction the bar is heading |
| 03:50.14 | Yssaril | Parnic: strings are imutable as such its creating garbage |
| 03:50.21 | Shadowed | Things like that shouldn't cause overhead unless you are compressing the ENTIRE table |
| 03:50.27 | Yssaril | its better to use string.format or table.concat |
| 03:50.39 | Shadowed | significant overhead I should say |
| 03:51.04 | Torhal | Parnic: Strings are immutable. |
| 03:51.05 | Parnic | yes they're immutable but it's not going to contribute to the mod's actual footprint, just generate garbage |
| 03:51.11 | Yssaril | Shadowed: yea thats what i meant :P |
| 03:51.15 | Rokiyo | which is still bad :P |
| 03:51.22 | Rokiyo | but i guess it is off topic |
| 03:51.24 | doom0r | thelibrarian: hardly a massive chunk? that ought to be enough for anybody |
| 03:51.30 | Rokiyo | if we're talking about just the footprint |
| 03:51.32 | thelibrarian | doom0r: hehe |
| 03:51.32 | Torhal | realizes Yssaril beat him to the punch. |
| 03:51.36 | Yssaril | Parnic: garbage contributes to your addon till its collected |
| 03:51.54 | Parnic | the current goal is to figure out where the actual footprint is going. garbage is next :) |
| 03:52.01 | Parnic | first we need to set our lower bound and get it smaller |
| 03:54.19 | Rokiyo | well... how much work would it take to convert a whole bunch of icehud's modules to load on demand? |
| 03:54.40 | Rokiyo | i know class specific modules already only load for classes than make use of them |
| 03:54.51 | Parnic | i dunno...they're all :new()'ing themselves immediately |
| 03:55.04 | Rokiyo | but what if you don't load say... FocusFealth unless the user is actually using it? |
| 03:55.19 | Parnic | right, that would probably work if the framework was there to handle such a thing :) |
| 03:55.28 | Parnic | custom bars are already created on demand so the tech is proven |
| 03:55.31 | Yssaril | lod can be tricky you don't want a big module loading at an inconvinient time (right at combat start, during combat) |
| 03:55.32 | Rokiyo | if the modules are contributing a third of your total footprint, it'll be a good enough place to start |
| 03:56.04 | Parnic | what i think would help even more is to not eat the frame/table cost of modules that are disabled |
| 03:56.09 | Rokiyo | hopefully the LoD would just occur while you're configuring icehud :P |
| 03:56.13 | Parnic | right now every single module is :new()ed whether it's enabled or not |
| 03:56.15 | Parnic | and that's dumb. |
| 03:56.51 | Rokiyo | hrm |
| 03:57.12 | Parnic | frames are created, textures are loaded/set, etc. for modules that the user will never see |
| 03:57.14 | Parnic | herp derp |
| 03:57.38 | Yssaril | ouch |
| 03:57.41 | Rokiyo | i think stopping that from happening would probably have the same effect as making those modules LoD |
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| 03:58.52 | Parnic | the first stumbling block will be that without the module being newed, no options table will be able to be pulled from it so it won't be configurable/enable-able :P |
| 03:59.27 | Yssaril | separate the options from the code |
| 04:00.05 | Parnic | right :) |
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| 04:01.58 | Rokiyo | noob question here: what would be a good way to go about that? |
| 04:02.26 | Yssaril | Rokiyo: either 2 separate files |
| 04:02.53 | Rokiyo | right now each module has a GetOptions() function that it inherits from it's superclass and can override if that module needs some custom options |
| 04:03.10 | Yssaril | or you can wrap each part in its own function so that when you call module:enable() it will create all the functions/frames needed for the module to function |
| 04:04.02 | Yssaril | relating to icehud i wouldn't know (but i know i can be a pain to go back and change to coding to accomodate it) |
| 04:04.30 | Parnic | ^^ that :) |
| 04:05.06 | Yssaril | why do you think i am working on my 3d rewrie of Mounted :P too much of a pain to implement the new things i want into the old code |
| 04:05.12 | Parnic | lol |
| 04:05.14 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 04:05.18 | Parnic | that was the motivation behind this as well: |
| 04:05.19 | Parnic | @project pxhud |
| 04:05.24 | Parnic | i never took it anywhere, though. |
| 04:05.24 | Repo | 10ora3: 03mysticalos * r458 modules/Cooldowns.lua: |
| 04:05.25 | Repo | Fix all the lua errors in cooldowns.lua. weird special symbol in place of spaces and a missing closing ) |
| 04:05.26 | Yssaril | though mounted is a smaller project than icehud |
| 04:05.27 | Parnic | dangit, repo! |
| 04:05.30 | Repo | Parnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pxhud/. PxHUD. Game: WoW. Status: Experimental. Parnic (Manager/Author). Updated: 138 days ago |
| 04:05.30 | Rokiyo | rofl |
| 04:07.10 | Yssaril | Parnic: you should use http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets/ for your media selection :) |
| 04:07.36 | Parnic | looks handy, thanks |
| 04:08.11 | Parnic | yssaril, teehee: "Instead of pulling in the font list from LSM you can also use the provided font table ass seen in the code sample below" |
| 04:08.23 | Torhal | Yssaril: I'm into pain. Ackis claims that I re-wrote ARL five times. |
| 04:08.48 | Yssaril | Torhal: your own damn fault for taking over Ackis drycode addons :P |
| 04:08.55 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 04:09.26 | Yssaril | Parnic: yea description is kinda old (yet still valid) |
| 04:09.38 | Parnic | i meant your replacement for "as" :P |
| 04:09.52 | Yssaril | ohhh lol |
| 04:10.01 | steevdave | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/wsvjdtvqnhsdjbn0/sum/damageDone/?s=1040&e=1267 woo go me |
| 04:11.35 | Parnic | hey xinhuan if you're around: a suggestion for postal, if you don't mind...my favorite feature of bulkmail2inbox is the pane that shows me a summary of all the mail i have waiting including total gold value |
| 04:11.44 | Parnic | something like that would be awesome for postal. if you're into taking suggestions, that is. |
| 04:11.47 | doom0r | ^ |
| 04:11.49 | Yssaril | Parnic: that has been like that since May 1st 2009 :P |
| 04:11.59 | Parnic | yssaril: haha, nice |
| 04:12.10 | Yssaril | fixed now though |
| 04:12.16 | Parnic | cheers |
| 04:12.27 | Yssaril | ~seen Xinhuan |
| 04:12.32 | purl | xinhuan <~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 16m 52s ago, saying: 'hmmmm'. |
| 04:12.58 | Parnic | i should probably have checked the nick list first...thanks ;) |
| 04:13.40 | Yssaril | Parnic: also the images on the page are a bit outdated the widget have been totaly rewritten since then :P |
| 04:14.00 | Parnic | everybody loves a rewrite |
| 04:14.39 | Yssaril | originaly i just imported the aceGUI dropdown and hacked the internals to make it look like that |
| 04:15.20 | Yssaril | now thay are totaly independant and won't break if the acegui dropdown widget ever gets changed (this hasn't happend yet though) |
| 04:16.01 | Yssaril | Parnic: xinhuan is probably off to blizzconn (maybe) |
| 04:16.09 | Parnic | oh right, blizzcon |
| 04:16.57 | Yssaril | Bibi: fyi check the new globalstrings file in beta we are apperantly getting char titles based on our guild faction rep |
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| 04:19.48 | doom0r | feels really dumb |
| 04:20.06 | doom0r | i remember hearing about the mounts in water changes, didn't realize you could summon a flying mount from water |
| 04:20.25 | Yssaril | doom0r: you shouldnt be able to |
| 04:20.33 | Yssaril | ground mounts yes flying no |
| 04:20.39 | doom0r | i just did |
| 04:20.42 | Parnic | you can |
| 04:20.42 | doom0r | green proto |
| 04:20.57 | Yssaril | beta or live? |
| 04:21.01 | doom0r | live |
| 04:22.47 | Yssaril | ohhhh nice |
| 04:23.28 | Rokiyo | interesting |
| 04:23.45 | Rokiyo | you can't summon a flying mount if you are UNDER water... but if you're treading water at the surface, you can |
| 04:24.02 | Rokiyo | flight form still can't be summoned if you're just treading water |
| 04:24.22 | Rokiyo | and apparently you can now get unshifted if get too close to it D: |
| 04:24.31 | starlon_ | Ok, Blizz needs to come up with a comprise regarding showing talents in a tooltip. Why can't they just provide that information on the default player tooltip? I'm sure that would be lighter than having them querying like they have been. *sigh* |
| 04:24.34 | Shefki | That's an intentional change. It'd be really annoying in Cata if you couldn't. |
| 04:25.04 | Rokiyo | hrm... scratch that about flight form... it's not completely broken while treading... it's just unreliable |
| 04:25.05 | starlon_ | s/comprise/compromise/ :) |
| 04:26.11 | Shefki | Rokiyo: It's always been like that, just jump and you can get into flight form. |
| 04:27.21 | Rokiyo | that used to only work if you had a low enough ping |
| 04:27.26 | Rokiyo | but now it works quite reliably |
| 04:27.29 | Rokiyo | so that's an improvement |
| 04:28.29 | Rokiyo | previously, you had to already be in the air before you could /cast Swift Flight Form, and it would have to fire before you landed again |
| 04:28.51 | Rokiyo | now it just works :P |
| 04:30.54 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r689 IceHUD.lua: - minor garbage generation fix (thanks Torhal!) |
| 04:32.04 | Rokiyo | ooh, what did you change? |
| 04:32.46 | Parnic | how the HasBuffs function populates a table to return which buffs are active |
| 04:33.45 | Rokiyo | ooer |
| 04:33.48 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0: 03yssaril * r29 LibMounts-1.0/LibMounts-1.0.lua: |
| 04:33.49 | Repo | added tertiary mount type return if you are at the water surface it will callback with WATER, AIR, GROUND since we can do all of those now but when underwater it will only return WATER, GROUND |
| 04:34.03 | Yssaril | thanks doom0r ^ |
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| 04:38.12 | Primer | Shefki: I thought I saw something about PB being fixed for right clicking buffs recently. This still doesn't work for me |
| 04:38.26 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0: 03yssaril * r30 LibMounts-1.0/LibMounts-1.0.lua: |
| 04:38.26 | Repo | bahhh need to remove debug statements and make GetCurrentMountType also return up to 3 mount types |
| 04:38.46 | Rokiyo | parnic am i right in thinking that the change was declaring local retval before the function that uses it? what effect does that have on garbage generation? |
| 04:39.23 | Parnic | it was declaring that table and putting the whole thing in a do/end block. Torhal explained that that creates an anonymous namespace that lets the table get reused on subsequent calls |
| 04:39.32 | Parnic | so we aren't creating a table, filling it, and throwing it away each time |
| 04:39.41 | Rokiyo | ooh |
| 04:40.10 | Rokiyo | that sounds potentially useful for a lot of stuff that gets on on update |
| 04:40.24 | Parnic | i'm sure the trick can be applied in many places |
| 04:40.51 | Shefki | Primer: You're imaginging things. |
| 04:41.03 | Primer | my bad |
| 04:41.04 | Yssaril | if your table has less than 100 some values wipe it and reuse it if possible otherwise toss it and create a new one |
| 04:41.17 | Shefki | Primer: We fixed taint that was breaking Blizzard's frames. We still can't do it on our own frames. |
| 04:41.35 | Primer | Not until blizz does something? |
| 04:41.47 | Rokiyo | i hope you're not minding the scrutiny of newbie looking through your code and your edits to it for the sake of learning :P |
| 04:41.48 | Shefki | Not until we throw away features. |
| 04:41.52 | Rokiyo | of some* newbie |
| 04:41.53 | Shefki | Blizzard isn't going to fix anything. |
| 04:41.57 | Yssaril | Parnic, Rokiyo: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 04:42.11 | Primer | Shefki: that's unfortunate |
| 04:42.14 | Parnic | rokiyo: not at all |
| 04:42.19 | Parnic | the more eyes the better, imo |
| 04:42.33 | Rokiyo | ooh, thanks yssaril |
| 04:42.45 | orionshock | what's a good faction/reputation tracker? |
| 04:42.46 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r84 Scorchio2.lua: added missing vulnKey for Master Poisoner |
| 04:42.47 | Repo | adds / removes to VULNDATA need vulnKeys |
| 04:43.40 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r99 Window.lua: - housekeeping |
| 04:43.42 | Yssaril | Rokiyo: the article is also a decent read the discussion i linked is somewhat technical :) |
| 04:44.08 | orionshock | ... im half tempted to take over FactionFu and rewrite it with LQT & LDB |
| 04:45.08 | Yssaril | Rokiyo: if you are gonna bookmark it use http://www.wowpedia.org/Talk:Lua_object_memory_sizes wowwiki is dead to me now |
| 04:45.12 | Kemayo | orionshock: There's Broker_Factions, which is essentially that. |
| 04:45.21 | orionshock | humm.... |
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| 04:46.41 | Rokiyo | oh? what's wrong with wowwiki? |
| 04:46.48 | Rokiyo | and/or right about wowpedia? |
| 04:47.07 | Parnic | they're just moving to wowpedia |
| 04:47.28 | Nechckn | wikia is heavy handed and getting weirder day by day... =) |
| 04:47.37 | Nechckn | New place, not so much. |
| 04:47.51 | Yssaril | Rokiyo: wowwiki is moving over to wowpedia since the owner of the wowwiki domain "wikia" is not nice anymore |
| 04:48.21 | Parnic | i hope they fix their search in the process ;) |
| 04:48.26 | doom0r | Kemayo, orionshock: elkano started one too, and there's ara broker reputation also |
| 04:48.33 | Parnic | i'm annoyed that i need proper caps and prepend API_ to find anything in one shot |
| 04:48.36 | Nechckn | There are more complete discussions on their forums - at least there were. |
| 04:49.12 | doom0r | elkfatcions does use lqt |
| 04:49.33 | Repo | 10libshefkitimer-1-0: 03Shefki 07master * 1.0.1 LibShefkiTimer-1.0.lua: [+1 commit] Fix 0 length timers being called immediately rather than on the next OnUpdate. |
| 04:49.39 | Repo | 10libshefkitimer-1-0: 03Shefki 041.0.1 * dc13c9d /: [new tag] Tag as 1.0.1 |
| 04:51.23 | Yssaril | Parnic: search seams better but for wow API i would go to wowprogramming instead |
| 04:51.46 | Parnic | i tried that but the couple of times i checked wowwiki had better/more fleshed out samples |
| 04:51.56 | doom0r | hit/miss |
| 04:52.28 | Yssaril | Parnic: problem is wowpedias examples can be extreamly out of date |
| 04:52.59 | Nechckn | http://Wowprogramming.com has a more complete API listing |
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| 04:53.06 | Firepatch | that website |
| 04:53.13 | Firepatch | is sparsely populated |
| 04:53.21 | Nechckn | but wowwiki/wowpedia has more indepth "stuff" although, as noted, it could be very old. |
| 04:53.36 | Parnic | i use both. just hope wowpedia gets a search upgrade :) |
| 04:53.41 | Firepatch | my mod did a really great job of spamming my guilds healing channel tonight Parnic |
| 04:53.42 | Yssaril | wowprogramming book is also very nice |
| 04:53.43 | Parnic | i've learned the quirks of wowwiki's search though |
| 04:53.48 | Nechckn | Firepatch you have to use both - there is no full site. |
| 04:53.53 | Parnic | firepatch: heh |
| 04:54.19 | Firepatch | it was pretty useful actually. i added a function to calculate paladins Light of Dawn and report to channel how much/how many targets it healed for |
| 04:54.29 | Firepatch | they adjusted strats to maximize use of spell based on it |
| 04:54.30 | doom0r | Parnic: sweet, now when you figure out curse's let me know |
| 04:54.33 | Firepatch | so mission accomplished |
| 04:54.37 | Parnic | glad you got it worked out :) |
| 04:54.39 | Firepatch | yea |
| 04:54.42 | Parnic | doom0r: lost cause :P |
| 04:54.55 | Firepatch | i just wish shaman Healing Rain was on live, I could implement something for that next |
| 04:54.56 | Parnic | doom0r: my #1 pet peeve with curse's search is auto-filling my search box. stop it. |
| 04:55.09 | Torhal | doom0r: Curse is irrevocably fucked-up. I can't wait until they scrap it and throw up a new one. |
| 04:55.13 | orionshock | Kemayo, not seeing Broker_Factions ... is it on WoWI ? |
| 04:55.22 | doom0r | aside from that, it's the fact that every box behaves differently |
| 04:55.32 | Torhal | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=wow+broker_factions |
| 04:55.37 | Yssaril | Torhal: you mean curses search? that NEVER worked right |
| 04:55.44 | Torhal | Yssaril: Exactly |
| 04:55.50 | Torhal | Well, their search, layout... |
| 04:55.52 | Parnic | i wind up going to google and using "curse [mod name]" or "curse [user name]" with immensely better results :P |
| 04:56.29 | Yssaril | always prefered the wowintefrace layout over the curse.com one |
| 04:56.40 | dafi | i don't know what curse internal search uses but it seems to not even be able to find substrings in addon names :\ |
| 04:56.55 | Parnic | wowinterface's mod comments = a billion times better than curse's |
| 04:57.00 | Parnic | curse's mod comments system needs to die |
| 04:57.24 | Rokiyo | heh... when it comes to finding addon pages... i generally search for it in the curse client instead... seems more reliable :P |
| 04:57.27 | Parnic | and "permalink" should be renamed to "lol, this doesn't do anything" |
| 04:57.50 | Firepatch | that wowui monster client thing is busted |
| 04:58.02 | doom0r | the project cf, ace, not wighting names over description is pretty annoying also |
| 04:58.05 | Firepatch | curses' seems much better built, but then again it was designed to make finding things easier |
| 04:58.15 | doom0r | s/project /project sites/ |
| 04:58.23 | dafi | isnt wowi built on top of vBulletin though? you could say they had a much better base to work from |
| 04:58.26 | Firepatch | my only complaint, is they really should allow you browse the curse page for each mod, within the client |
| 04:58.30 | Yssaril | though the new wowace is a vast improvement over the old one despite start style contrast (i am talking good ole svn.wowace days) |
| 04:58.38 | Parnic | dafi: precisely. go with a proven solution :) |
| 04:58.54 | Firepatch | dafi, i ran that client, and recieved outdated mods galore |
| 04:59.54 | dafi | curse updater client is better though even if they did chose WPF for it and all it's custom look madness |
| 05:00.14 | Yssaril | yea i like CC v4 |
| 05:01.17 | dafi | I'll never understand Microsoft, all about usability and consistency then they go around and keep making new sets to widgets for their frameworks and apps >< |
| 05:01.19 | Repo | 10gridstatusrole: 03Greltok * r34 GridStatusRole.lua: Call :SendMessage() instead of :TriggerEvent(). |
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| 05:03.38 | dafi | but how is WoWi Minion these days, still a mess? |
| 05:04.26 | Yssaril | dafi: yea |
| 05:05.24 | Torhal | I keep hearing how I'm doing something wrong, but I don't know how I can fuck up running a Java applet |
| 05:05.36 | Torhal | I gave up. Tried again a few months later. Rinse, repeat. |
| 05:05.38 | orionshock | ... |
| 05:05.40 | Torhal | Now I've just given up. |
| 05:06.00 | orionshock | Torhal, ... u run linux right... |
| 05:06.06 | Torhal | orionshock: Yes. |
| 05:06.33 | orionshock | >.> |
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| 05:07.51 | dafi | Torhal: did it sting you to hear blizzard had a linux version of wow but dropped it :P? |
| 05:08.08 | Torhal | dafi: Eh, that was in Alpha :) |
| 05:08.38 | Torhal | I'm not surprised they had one, considering the fact that Slouken wrote SDL when he worked at Loki Games |
| 05:08.50 | dafi | well they have a OSX version, not like it would be a big jump to linux |
| 05:08.57 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r690 / (6 files in 2 directories): |
| 05:08.58 | Repo | - added description text to each custom module explaining what type of module it is. it was pretty difficult to figure out what kind of custom module you were looking at in the config after you created it |
| 05:09.03 | Torhal | Yah |
| 05:09.11 | doom0r | dreams of an sdl world |
| 05:11.13 | dafi | odd the lack of linux gaming support. you'd expect valve to have a steam linux version ready, maybe they're waiting for postal 3... |
| 05:11.38 | doom0r | postal 3 would be cool ;x |
| 05:11.46 | pompy | dafi portal? |
| 05:11.52 | Parnic | no no, postal |
| 05:11.57 | pompy | ah |
| 05:12.00 | Parnic | that game where you pee on cops and kill babies with scissors |
| 05:12.06 | pompy | :O |
| 05:12.15 | dafi | yup |
| 05:12.22 | dafi | that's the one |
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| 05:14.14 | Feya | linux never "took off" from a home user perspective |
| 05:14.30 | doom0r | ? |
| 05:14.33 | Feya | i remember seeing packaged versions on some store shelves |
| 05:14.39 | dafi | ah yes, just tried wowi minion again, they didn't fix a thing... installer still fails the UI still only shows 3 addons at a time |
| 05:14.44 | Feya | but if your products not being sold packaged with a computer, good luck getting market penetration |
| 05:14.55 | doom0r | i see rather a lot of older folks using it because of the ease |
| 05:15.02 | doom0r | from a market viewpoint, no |
| 05:15.04 | dafi | correction, two addons at a time |
| 05:15.15 | Feya | i'd rather see a lot of folks using it due to the fact they couldn't get viruses as easily |
| 05:15.29 | dafi | linux as a boxed product doesn't work imo, it's downloaded of the webs or pre-installed |
| 05:15.44 | Feya | i always recommend Mac products at my store to retards because its impossible for them to really fuck it up within 10 minutes of getting it home |
| 05:16.08 | dafi | i think you're under estimating retards |
| 05:16.20 | doom0r | that's because it takes 10 mins for them to open the box |
| 05:16.42 | Firepatch | im just saying, usually Mac customers leave and never come back for five years |
| 05:16.44 | Firepatch | im AOK with that |
| 05:17.01 | Firepatch | i had some guy buy a sony laptop from me, spent like 3000 bucks on the whole deal |
| 05:17.07 | Parnic | it takes them 5 years to figure out where the heck their $5k went |
| 05:17.16 | Firepatch | and his daughter downloaded a bunch of filesharing apps and fucked the computer in 3 days |
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| 05:17.45 | Firepatch | parnic, you know, i used to be with ya from that perspective |
| 05:17.53 | Firepatch | but Macs actually have a resale value after 3 years |
| 05:17.56 | Firepatch | try doing that with any pc |
| 05:18.05 | Firepatch | your lucky if you can find a place to recycle it at |
| 05:18.06 | Parnic | i don't really want or need to |
| 05:18.17 | Parnic | the difference between the new price and resale price of a mac is still more expensive than a comparable pc |
| 05:18.24 | Firepatch | i personally dont use mac, I just appreciate the product line |
| 05:18.25 | doom0r | they have a resale value, but what good is a g3 now? |
| 05:18.40 | dafi | i have a macbook, they're not that bad if you can get them cheep |
| 05:18.53 | Parnic | i very much appreciate their goals - standardization of hardware, beautiful OS, but holy crap the price |
| 05:18.54 | Firepatch | im speaking more towards the mac portable line |
| 05:18.59 | Firepatch | who buys desktops anymore except gamers? |
| 05:19.00 | Repo | 10deus-vox-encounters: 03Shefki 07master * v507 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Bump version to 507. |
| 05:19.05 | Firepatch | and most gamers know to avoid mac anyways ;p |
| 05:19.06 | Repo | 10deus-vox-encounters: 03Shefki 04v507 * 61811ac /: [new tag] Tagging as v507 |
| 05:19.23 | doom0r | Firepatch: old people, people with businesses, families that share |
| 05:19.32 | Firepatch | oh i know ;p |
| 05:19.37 | Kemayo | orionshock: Yeah, broker_factions is on wowi. |
| 05:19.39 | Firepatch | i work at Best Buy, unfortunately |
| 05:19.47 | Firepatch | business certainly do |
| 05:19.51 | doom0r | consoles Firepatch |
| 05:19.57 | Firepatch | but most home shoppers, even old people, are switching to laptops. |
| 05:20.11 | Firepatch | even if it never leaves their home, the portability within ones home is still highly desirable |
| 05:20.16 | dafi | i so don't miss working at retail |
| 05:21.16 | doom0r | while i'm thinking of it, any recommendations on a laptop brand for a near blind person? any company cater to that, things like keys that aren't a flat sheet |
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| 05:22.33 | dafi | hum, sony tends to mimic the mac keys so they're squares with space in bettwen them, still it would be just best for the person to learn how to touch type |
| 05:22.34 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r691 / (20 files in 2 directories): |
| 05:22.34 | Firepatch | most brands used raised keys, ala MacBook style |
| 05:22.35 | Repo | - added local copy of _G.IceHUD to modules that reference it frequently for a minor lookup speed boost |
| 05:22.49 | Firepatch | Sony/Toshiba/Asus typically all used raised keyboard platforms |
| 05:23.01 | Firepatch | Sony and Asus also offer quite a few backlight keyboards similar to Apply |
| 05:23.04 | doom0r | dafi: it's an issue of finding a key to start |
| 05:23.05 | Firepatch | apple* |
| 05:23.17 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r692 IceCore.lua: - missed a 'local' on a table in IceCore. whoops. |
| 05:23.27 | dafi | well F and J should have a depression on them to position yourself |
| 05:23.31 | Firepatch | 17 inch Toshiba for like ...699 |
| 05:23.51 | dafi | i believe that's standard, isn't it? |
| 05:23.57 | Firepatch | yea |
| 05:24.19 | doom0r | i've been seeing more and more that are perfectly smooth |
| 05:25.16 | dafi | no respect for touch typists :( |
| 05:26.13 | dafi | still you can still make your own if you don't mind some home modding |
| 05:26.42 | dafi | there's the duct tape and hot iron options |
| 05:26.44 | doom0r | true, but we're talking bout a 17yr old whos gonna be going to college, and he's been going blind for 6 years |
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| 05:26.55 | doom0r | and it won't be near home |
| 05:27.10 | Firepatch | thats sad |
| 05:27.15 | dafi | hum, shouldn't he be getting a Braille keyboard and a screen reader then? |
| 05:27.21 | Firepatch | i honestly dont know what id do if i was going blind |
| 05:27.23 | Firepatch | no warcraft? |
| 05:27.25 | Firepatch | .... |
| 05:27.40 | dafi | look at the bright side, more time for reading :) |
| 05:27.41 | Firepatch | id prolly turn to a life of crime, booze, and hookers |
| 05:27.42 | doom0r | indeed, they gave me his grandfather's car for free, since he won't ever be able to drive |
| 05:27.51 | doom0r | =\ |
| 05:28.09 | Firepatch | i cant imagine |
| 05:28.21 | Firepatch | being blind is the worst punishment i can think of |
| 05:28.24 | Firepatch | being deaf is okay |
| 05:28.39 | Firepatch | i dont have to listen to any of earths bountiful amount of retards |
| 05:28.40 | doom0r | blind or no hands |
| 05:29.02 | Firepatch | sigh, too depressing |
| 05:29.03 | dafi | doom0r: that's just nasty |
| 05:29.40 | dafi | how about one eyed and one hand? |
| 05:36.29 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-1: 03Whitetooth * r112 LibStatLogic-1.1/LibStatLogic-1.1.lua: - Remove global |
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| 05:39.04 | doom0r | i really need to find a desk/office chair that supports/doesn't lose cushion without spending 600+ |
| 05:40.46 | Rokiyo | i'm not i'd cope with being deaf |
| 05:40.59 | Rokiyo | i can't handle silence |
| 05:41.01 | doom0r | music is too much to me |
| 05:41.04 | Rokiyo | yeah, same |
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| 05:42.30 | doom0r | qq, missed vyragosa by 30 secs |
| 05:44.42 | Rokiyo | so, what's everyone using isntead of CowTip these days? :s |
| 05:44.50 | doom0r | startip |
| 05:45.10 | dafi | tiptac? |
| 05:45.55 | Rokiyo | they both look interesting, thanks |
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| 05:48.03 | Talryn | Has anyone tried Parrot and MSBT? Wondering how they compare. Just saw Parrot. :-) I've been using MSBT for a while though. |
| 05:48.48 | doom0r | recently, i have not tried parrot again |
| 05:49.07 | dafi | hum, someone ported parrot to ace3, i didn't know that |
| 05:49.15 | doom0r | msbt's ease of scroll area and triggers made me switch a long time ago |
| 05:49.54 | Rokiyo | when did SCT to go out of fashion? Seems I missed that memo too |
| 05:50.04 | doom0r | wrath pretty much |
| 05:50.19 | doom0r | it's still active though |
| 05:50.19 | Rokiyo | why? |
| 05:50.27 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03mysticalos * r85 Scorchio2.toc: |
| 05:50.28 | Repo | bump X-Min-Interface to 40000 too for ACP since the 3.3.5 stuff was removed and addon would be full of invalid spellid errors on anything but 4.0. |
| 05:50.34 | Rokiyo | yeah i'm still using it, but i've noticed nobody talks about it any more :P |
| 05:50.41 | doom0r | new fancy things were available that were updated |
| 05:51.48 | dafi | i moved msbt when parrot was a patched up rock addon. just liked how the default config worked |
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| 05:55.35 | Rokiyo | derp... all this time i've been using an invisible PB4 target frame to display auras next to my icehud target frame... when I could just used another SBF frame |
| 05:56.02 | Arrowmaster | SCT has been out of development since before wrath, the author quit wow |
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| 05:56.37 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: He still commits changes/fixes somehow, though. |
| 05:56.45 | Firepatch | I really prefer the WoW style of SCT, above the individual targets themselves |
| 05:56.49 | dafi | drycoding? |
| 05:56.55 | Firepatch | are their any mods that perform like that? |
| 05:57.01 | Torhal | dafi: Hehe |
| 05:57.06 | doom0r | sct has been updated in the past week by him |
| 05:57.08 | Torhal | Firepatch: Impossible |
| 05:57.12 | Arrowmaster | Firepatch: they cant do it decently |
| 05:57.20 | Torhal | Firepatch: There is no way for an AddOn to get information from the 3D world |
| 05:57.34 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: nameplates, its been done but its still a really shitty solution |
| 05:57.35 | Firepatch | can you modify the the fonts of the system? even that would be better |
| 05:57.40 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Yah |
| 05:58.06 | dafi | hum, but we can mod nameplates |
| 05:58.23 | dafi | can't we use nameplate position for combat text positioning? |
| 05:58.29 | Arrowmaster | yes its been done |
| 05:58.35 | Arrowmaster | but its still a really shitty solution |
| 05:58.37 | doom0r | dafi: that was what he meant |
| 05:59.54 | dafi | doom0r: he was too fast for me :) |
| 06:00.54 | Firepatch | by what mod? |
| 06:01.21 | Arrowmaster | i think SCT had it as an option once |
| 06:01.40 | Arrowmaster | again, its a really shitty solution that wont even work properly |
| 06:02.13 | Firepatch | anyone know what commands repo responds to? |
| 06:02.20 | Firepatch | send him "help" doesnt really help much ;p |
| 06:02.23 | Arrowmaster | @help |
| 06:02.23 | Repo | Arrowmaster: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 06:02.33 | Parnic | @project ice-hud |
| 06:02.34 | Repo | Parnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/. IceHUD. Game: WoW. Parnic (Manager/Author). Updated: 36 minutes ago. Tickets: 4/90 |
| 06:02.40 | Parnic | @description ice-hud |
| 06:02.42 | Firepatch | @project sexycooldown |
| 06:02.44 | Repo | Firepatch: http://www.wowace.com/addons/sexycooldown/. SexyCooldown. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 7 days ago. Tickets: 42/50 |
| 06:02.47 | Arrowmaster | @ticket ice-hud 1 |
| 06:02.49 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/tickets/1 - overlay options. Reported by: reeks. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 743 days ago. Status: Fixed. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Parnic. Votes: 0. Comments: 7 |
| 06:03.09 | Parnic | @describe ice-hud |
| 06:03.10 | Repo | Parnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/. IceHUD. Another HUD addon |
| 06:03.36 | Parnic | @search test |
| 06:03.36 | Repo | Parnic: There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 06:03.44 | Parnic | config? heh |
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| 06:04.04 | Parnic | @find test |
| 06:04.13 | Arrowmaster | its better to just not ask |
| 06:04.18 | Parnic | good idea |
| 06:04.40 | Arrowmaster | supybot is like that, its just better to not know the details |
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| 06:05.33 | Arrowmaster | or else you start asking questions you dont really want to know the answers to, like why every supybot seems to have excess flood issues |
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| 06:10.38 | Repo | 10tabparty: 03thelibrarian * r2 / (4 files in 1 directory): Initial import |
| 06:11.42 | dafi | @description tabparty |
| 06:11.56 | dafi | @describe tabparty |
| 06:11.58 | Repo | dafi: http://www.wowace.com/addons/tabparty/. Tab Party. Bind a key to cycle through party members |
| 06:12.09 | thelibrarian | dafi: my community service for today |
| 06:12.38 | thelibrarian | scratch an itch for some random person on the UI and macro forums, while brushing up on secure handlers |
| 06:13.09 | doom0r | @list WowAce |
| 06:13.10 | Repo | doom0r: Error: 'WowAce' is not a valid plugin. |
| 06:13.17 | doom0r | @list CurseForge |
| 06:13.17 | Repo | doom0r: curse, describe, postaticket, project, repository, and ticket |
| 06:13.21 | doom0r | ^ |
| 06:14.09 | doom0r | Firepatch: above |
| 06:15.49 | dafi | something I've expected to see and still haven't was a Character Info classic type addon |
| 06:16.21 | Repo | 10triage (experimental): 03baps * r3 / (4 files in 1 directory): Basic roster reporting, configuration. |
| 06:16.45 | doom0r | i've been waiting to see someone remake petlist+ for the new frame |
| 06:17.03 | Firepatch | oh sweet, i parsed 14th in ICC - Blood Council ;) |
| 06:17.25 | Firepatch | and World of Logs isn't reporting Efflorescence with my heals, figures ;p |
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| 06:20.48 | doom0r | i need something that finds the worst food/water i have and shows me so i use it up |
| 06:21.55 | dafi | a reverse buffet? |
| 06:22.53 | doom0r | pretty much |
| 06:23.31 | dafi | can't you just reverse the buffet best food function? |
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| 06:24.10 | doom0r | i just want to avoid adding any more macros |
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| 06:25.42 | Repo | 10project-13443: 03KanadiaN * r60 / (2 files in 2 directories): - Misc Changes |
| 06:27.19 | pompy | @project project-13443 |
| 06:27.20 | Repo | pompy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-13443/. AutoProfitX. Game: WoW. KanadiaN (Manager/Author), bigzero (Author). Updated: 100 seconds ago |
| 06:27.39 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.5-18-g1390eee / (8 files in 3 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 06:27.40 | Repo | 1390eee: Dead and offline colors for healthbar. |
| 06:27.41 | Repo | a76c59b: NPC healthbars color based on reaction (hostile, friendly, neutral) |
| 06:27.42 | Repo | a3703e2: Unit frames tweaked a little |
| 06:27.43 | Repo | a802659: Combo Points on target frame |
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| 06:31.00 | Repo | 10pitbull4_vengeancebar: 03nebula169 * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): initial |
| 06:31.02 | sbu | morning |
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| 06:32.27 | dafi | Torhal: is it possible to toggle secure functionality from LibQTip without tainting? |
| 06:32.42 | Torhal | dafi: Give me the scenerio. |
| 06:32.51 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry 04Talented-3.0-beta1 * r674 : Tagging as Talented-3.0-beta1 |
| 06:33.05 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r131 ClassDefaults.lua: Paladins' defaults cleanup. Minor changes to hunter ones. |
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| 06:33.22 | dafi | toggle spell book open and still be able to click spells on it |
| 06:34.05 | Torhal | Wouldn't it be easier to just hit the "p" key and cast from there? Or am I misunderstanding? |
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| 06:34.35 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.5-19-g691bdaa unitframes/unitframes.lua: [+1 commit] Bugs and what not. |
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| 06:35.23 | dafi | Torhal: probably but I really prefer clicking a button with my mouse :) |
| 06:36.29 | Torhal | dafi: Just make it call SpellBookFrame:Show() |
| 06:36.57 | Torhal | Or if it's shown, :Hide() |
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| 06:37.21 | Torhal | if SpellBookFrame:IsVisible() then SpellBookFrame:Show() else SpellBookFrame:Hide() end |
| 06:37.30 | Torhal | Er, reverse the show/hide |
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| 06:39.55 | dafi | Torhal: thanks, will try it as soon as servers get back up |
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| 06:40.26 | Repo | 10grid2: 03jerry * r540 Options/GridDefaults.lua: Fix Typo in Beacon of Light spellID. This fixes Ticket-185. |
| 06:40.27 | Repo | Thanks roncli. |
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| 06:44.59 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 07master * v4.0.0-beta15 Modules/Aura/Update.lua: [+1 commit] Ticket #827: Fix temporary weapon enchants for ranged slot. |
| 06:45.05 | Repo | 10pitbull4: 03Shefki 04v4.0.0-beta15 * 8c4f540 /: [new tag] Tagging as v4.0.0-beta15 |
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| 06:52.52 | dafi | will pitbull4 ever get of beta? |
| 06:56.18 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-2: 03Whitetooth * r3 LibStatLogic-1.2/LibStatLogic-1.2.lua: |
| 06:56.20 | Repo | - Properly name tooltip text strings so it doesn't clash when loaded with LibStatLogic-1.1 |
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| 06:56.31 | Shefki | dafi: No. |
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| 06:56.54 | dafi | Shefki: figured as much :) |
| 06:58.48 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4_vengeancebar/. PitBull4_VengeanceBar. nebula169 (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 06:58.53 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/tabparty/. Tab Party. thelibrarian (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 06:59.19 | Rokiyo | vengeance bars are all the rage |
| 06:59.29 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth 04r290 * r290 : - Update libs |
| 06:59.31 | Shefki | I really don't get the point. |
| 06:59.39 | Shefki | What are you going to do in reaction to that? |
| 07:00.06 | dafi | it's a epen thing |
| 07:00.14 | dafi | they like to see how big it isi |
| 07:00.26 | Shefki | How is it a epeen thing, nobody else can see the bar on your screen |
| 07:01.16 | Rokiyo | well, vengeance can double my druid's AP |
| 07:01.29 | Rokiyo | i like to know in advance that i'm about to hit really hard, instead of just being surprised by it |
| 07:01.38 | Rokiyo | it can help make decisions too |
| 07:01.44 | dafi | Shefki: there's always screenshots but mostly it's just knowing you have a monster AP buff |
| 07:02.00 | Rokiyo | if i have a lot of vengeance built up, my short cooldown aoe threat moves will probably do the job on their own |
| 07:02.08 | nebula169 | it increases threat |
| 07:02.08 | Rokiyo | if I don't, i'm gonna have to tab target a lot |
| 07:02.09 | Rokiyo | and possibly taunt |
| 07:02.17 | nebula169 | and when it falls up, i lose 8k ap ;[ |
| 07:02.20 | nebula169 | falls off* |
| 07:02.35 | Rokiyo | that's another one, it's easier to watch it decay when it's in bar form |
| 07:02.42 | Rokiyo | which urges you to hurry up and pull moar |
| 07:02.43 | Rokiyo | :P |
| 07:03.26 | Rokiyo | if it wasn't such an unreliable factor in how much threat I can generate, I wouldn't care so much |
| 07:03.57 | Rokiyo | but because it does make up such a ridiculous portion of my threat generation, it "feels good" to be aware of what it's about to do |
| 07:09.09 | mitch0 | morgen |
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| 07:14.41 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.5-20-g8352bab unitframes/unitframes.lua: [+1 commit] Pet frame, anyone? |
| 07:15.17 | koaschten | Probably a stupid idea, is there an addon out there that will store/reload reforged item sets? Perhaps even generate them using given caps for certain stats? (expertise, spell hit etc... ) |
| 07:16.35 | doom0r | be nice if the curse client had a filter option so you could hide an addon you _know_ you'll never look at |
| 07:17.08 | koaschten | well, overreading gearscore isnt that hard doom0r ;) |
| 07:18.38 | doom0r | yes, but the 875 addons under achievements category that have nothing to do wtih them and nobody but a 12year old girl who wants to see flowers would install, well... i'd rather see gearscore |
| 07:24.21 | steevdave | you would |
| 07:24.56 | pnorman | Anyone know how that Item Level stat in the char panel is generated? it says 280 on my warrior, and I have nothing that high |
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| 07:27.19 | Repo | 10elkbuffbars: 03Elkano * r154 ElkBuffBars.lua: |
| 07:27.20 | Repo | added a check to keep remaining tracking stuff in the SVs from causing an error in line 347 |
| 07:27.34 | koaschten | blizzard mentioned its the averageed maximum over all your gear @ pnorman |
| 07:27.48 | pnorman | Ya, but I have *nothing* above 277 on him |
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| 07:28.17 | Torhal | doom0r: Start reporting them. |
| 07:28.26 | Torhal | I -can- change project categories. |
| 07:29.07 | doom0r | i'll get around to making a list, there's just so many |
| 07:29.41 | koaschten | Torhal just needs a red exclamation mark next to it so he doesn't have to go through the list himself ;) |
| 07:31.17 | Repo | 10elkbuffbars: 03Elkano * r155 locales/ElkBuffBars.deDE.lua: fixed a typo in deDE locale |
| 07:36.29 | steevdave | pnorman: thats odd, i have 9 items at 264, 6 at 277, and 1 at 284, and my item level is listed as 272 |
| 07:37.38 | pnorman | I'm wondering if it's doing a slotmod weighted average and having issues with me being a warrior |
| 07:38.01 | steevdave | not sure, but my tanking set is definitely worse off |
| 07:38.14 | steevdave | although all 4 pieces of t10 that i have for it are 264 as well |
| 07:38.20 | pnorman | it takes a combination of tanking and dps gear to max mine |
| 07:38.59 | steevdave | and i could have gotten the 277 tanking neck from festergut, but i passed it to the ret paladin since he tends to tank raids more than i do (which is never) |
| 07:40.20 | doom0r | what options are there for coming up with something between select and autobar using existing addons, macaroon, opie, anything else? |
| 07:42.33 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-2: 03Whitetooth * r4 LibStatLogic-1.2/LibStatLogic-1.2.lua: |
| 07:42.34 | Repo | - Make locals StatLogicMinerTooltipTextLeft5, StatLogicMinerTooltipTextLeft6 |
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| 08:08.59 | Repo | auto-generated macro fires off current processing command |
| 08:09.00 | Repo | fixed random bugs |
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| 08:11.57 | Adirelle|work | @ping |
| 08:11.57 | Repo | pong |
| 08:14.30 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker 06morsker2 * r91 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 08:14.32 | Repo | changes for Master Poisoner and 8% spell damage to match mainline |
| 08:19.57 | Repo | 10questpointer: 03Kemayo 07master * v6-1-g2c04fde QuestPointer.lua: [+1 commit] Apply Adrielle's patch. |
| 08:20.17 | Kemayo | Adirelle|work: Only took me ~8 months. :P |
| 08:20.35 | Adirelle|work | Kemayo, what ? |
| 08:20.51 | Kemayo | http://paste.wowace.com/1725/ |
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| 08:26.07 | jnwhiteh | I had a patch I applied 355 days after it was submitted =_) |
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| 08:35.48 | Repo | 10broker_durabilityinfo: 03iceeagle 07master * v1.3-1-gc6282d9 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] check reputation before repairing |
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| 08:51.36 | wink | ~wowalert |
| 08:51.36 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 09:05.24 | Repo | 9876949: Tweaks to the unit frame updater. |
| 09:05.25 | Repo | a24facc: Fixes with the pet frame |
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| 09:58.43 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r132 ClassDefaults.lua: Updated group (de)buff categories. |
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| 10:10.06 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 * r23 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 10:10.07 | Repo | * Corrections merged from Malazee's spreadsheet update 20-Oct-2010. |
| 10:10.08 | Repo | * Added dispels/cures, from Malazee's update. |
| 10:10.48 | Repo | 10raid_checklist: 03Anyia3 044.0.0beta7 * r24 : Tagging as 4.0.0beta7, now with more accuracy and dispels! |
| 10:11.14 | Repo | 10simple-minimap: 03kiki * r162 / (3 files in 2 directories): simpleMinimap: |
| 10:11.15 | Repo | - WoW 4.0 compatible |
| 10:11.16 | Repo | - TOC updated to 40000 |
| 10:12.27 | harl | :( |
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| 10:44.29 | Repo | Re-arrange buff window to reflect the New World Order of buff stackage |
| 10:44.30 | Repo | Add a resistance display to the buff window |
| 10:44.31 | Repo | Add a header row to the buff window |
| 10:44.32 | Repo | Grey out disconnected and dead players |
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| 11:50.06 | Megalon | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyN0VMRazr8#t=2m20 |
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| 12:05.25 | Repo | 10minimalist: 03whizkid * r103 Minimalist.lua: - (major) reworked Auto-Repair settings |
| 12:10.43 | Repo | 10libabsorbsmonitor-1-0: 03eyogar 07master * beta4b-2-gd73c295 core/LibAbsorbsMonitor-1.0.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 12:10.44 | Repo | d73c295: Added support for Guarded by the Light |
| 12:10.45 | Repo | 4551fc2: Added support for Nether Ward |
| 12:11.29 | kagaro | lol just looked back through last nights icc run .. i peaked 20kdps tanking those trash packs before sindy |
| 12:12.29 | harl | oO |
| 12:23.10 | Repo | 10grid: 03Alakabaster * r1379 Locales/GridLocale-deDE.lua: Changed german locale |
| 12:24.48 | evl | Any addons to explore large data sets? |
| 12:25.57 | kagaro | what do you need to explore evl? |
| 12:26.05 | evl | some results from a GetAll |
| 12:26.16 | evl | AH query |
| 12:26.39 | kagaro | dunno usually when i need to parse/scan hude data sets I do it outside of the game |
| 12:29.21 | evl | savedvariables? :P |
| 12:29.48 | kagaro | you could do that and post process the data |
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| 12:56.43 | Aikar | so now they broke professions on armory lol? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?cn=Aikar&r=Arthas |
| 12:56.48 | Aikar | my skinning isnt showing :( |
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| 12:57.44 | steevdave | Aikar: have they even fixed specs yet? |
| 12:58.12 | steevdave | ooh looks like they have |
| 12:58.19 | Vilkku | my code doesn't work any more since they moved the guild frame away from the social window |
| 12:58.24 | Vilkku | local old = GuildFrame:GetScript("OnShow"); local function new(...) Gamamod:SortGuildRoster(); old(...); end GuildFrame:SetScript("OnShow", new); |
| 12:58.32 | Vilkku | problem is that GuilFrame is nil |
| 12:58.46 | Vilkku | so, I'm trying to figure out when I could run the code to make it work without errors |
| 12:58.54 | Vilkku | any ideas, anyone? |
| 12:59.14 | Aikar | Vilkku: /framestack and open the guild window? |
| 12:59.29 | Vilkku | I don't think you understand my problem |
| 12:59.34 | Vilkku | GuildFrame still exists |
| 12:59.47 | Vilkku | but it's not loaded before you open it the first time after logging in |
| 12:59.51 | Aikar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.53 | Aikar | whys it nil |
| 12:59.54 | Aikar | oh |
| 13:00.03 | Vilkku | it's not nil after I have opened it once |
| 13:00.18 | Vilkku | after that I can just run that line in a /run and it kinda works |
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| 13:01.41 | Vilkku | another issue is tho |
| 13:01.59 | Vilkku | that once the window is open my code no longer works (it sorts the member list) |
| 13:02.32 | Vilkku | so if I hook it to some event which fires once the window is open it won't be sorted properly until I close it and open it again |
| 13:02.49 | Aikar | is the guild frame a LOD addon? couldnt you force it to load? |
| 13:03.36 | Torhal | !api GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 13:03.36 | lua_bot | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE: Fires when new information about the contents of the guild roster is available (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE) |
| 13:03.48 | Torhal | Foof. |
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| 13:05.06 | Vilkku | Torhal, isn't there a possibility that that event fires without me having the chance to open the guild window before? |
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| 13:05.36 | Vilkku | Aikar, sounds interesting but I have no idea how that is done |
| 13:06.13 | Torhal | Vilkku: Just register for the event. When it fires, set a file-local variable "can_check_roster" to true. Check that variable's state before trying to do what you're doing. |
| 13:07.33 | Vilkku | but being able to check the roster is not the same thing as knowing that guildframe is loaded, is it? |
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| 13:08.54 | Torhal | !api guildroster |
| 13:08.54 | lua_bot | Found 15 possible matches for 'guildroster'. Please be more specific |
| 13:09.06 | Torhal | !api ^guildroster |
| 13:09.06 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for '^guildroster': GuildRoster, GuildRosterSetPublicNote, GuildRosterSetOfficerNote |
| 13:09.10 | Torhal | !api ^guildroster( |
| 13:09.25 | Torhal | !api GuildRoster( |
| 13:09.29 | Torhal | !api GuildRoster() |
| 13:09.29 | lua_bot | Found 15 possible matches for 'GuildRoster()'. Please be more specific |
| 13:09.35 | Torhal | Damn you lua_bot |
| 13:10.08 | Torhal | Vilkku: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildRoster |
| 13:10.37 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03computerpunk * r79 / (140 files in 12 directories): UnderHood: |
| 13:10.39 | Repo | - Moved Branch to Trunk. Experimental. |
| 13:10.55 | Thaoky | Anyone here playing on a German client ? |
| 13:11.10 | mitch0 | *shudder* |
| 13:11.40 | EthanCentaurai | ich nicht Deutsch gespracht, mein Deutsch is nicht so gut |
| 13:11.57 | Thaoky | I would need the German name of the feral tree in the spell book (not in the talent tree, it's different) |
| 13:12.07 | Aikar | hmm tidyplates is interesting. |
| 13:12.11 | Humbedooh | Aber doch, EthanCentaurai! |
| 13:12.33 | Repo | 10bug-grabber: 03mojosdojo * r157 BugGrabber.lua: |
| 13:12.35 | Repo | Revert recent, unintended changes by chkid: Please get a proper editor, you're messing with others' locales as well! |
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| 13:12.55 | Humbedooh | vielleicht nevcariel, thaoky? |
| 13:13.20 | Humbedooh | he's a smelly German for sure |
| 13:13.27 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03computerpunk * r80 libs/LibDataBroker-1.1/: UnderHood: |
| 13:13.28 | Repo | - Good-bye. Blue sky! |
| 13:13.47 | Thaoky | ok, I'll ask him when he's around :) |
| 13:14.48 | Humbedooh | also Elkano perhaps |
| 13:14.52 | mitch0 | @project under-hood |
| 13:14.54 | Repo | mitch0: http://www.wowace.com/addons/under-hood/. UnderHood. Game: WoW. Anadale (Manager/Author), computerpunk (Maintainer). Updated: 24 seconds ago. Tickets: 21/35 |
| 13:14.57 | Vilkku | Torhal, someone in the guild logged on before I had the chance to open the window so I got errors |
| 13:15.05 | Aikar | anyone know status of questhelper2? |
| 13:15.17 | Humbedooh | there's a questhelper 2? o.O |
| 13:15.28 | genetik- | there's a need for questhelper still? |
| 13:15.32 | Aikar | yeah someone in here is making it |
| 13:15.36 | Aikar | the ingame one BLOWS |
| 13:15.38 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r101 / (2 files in 1 directory): workaround for cancelaura |
| 13:15.45 | Elkano | Humbedooh, I may be a silly German but I'm not that silly that I'd still be using the deDE language pack... |
| 13:15.46 | Aikar | you gotta open map and click on the objective you want to do |
| 13:15.55 | Aikar | doesnt auto plan out the quest route |
| 13:16.03 | Torhal | Vilkku: That's why you don't open the window until the event fires? Or am I not understanding what you're doing? |
| 13:16.06 | Aikar | ingame one is ok |
| 13:16.09 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/framesresized/images/1-8-additional-lines-at-work/ ! |
| 13:16.15 | Aikar | but its no full replacement |
| 13:16.43 | Vilkku | Torhal, most likely not... I'm trying to sort the guild roster |
| 13:17.05 | Torhal | You have to register for the GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE event, then when it fires you can do what you want |
| 13:17.11 | Vilkku | I can't |
| 13:17.15 | Torhal | ? |
| 13:17.24 | Vilkku | GuildFrame will be nil until it's opened |
| 13:17.30 | Aikar | :/ |
| 13:17.33 | Aikar | and hes telling you |
| 13:17.38 | Vilkku | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE can be fired before the window is opened |
| 13:17.44 | Aikar | oh |
| 13:17.46 | Vilkku | I just don't get it then |
| 13:18.15 | Torhal | So open the window when it fires |
| 13:18.19 | Torhal | I'm not seeing what the issue is |
| 13:18.45 | Vilkku | you mean open the window and close it automatically? |
| 13:18.50 | Repo | 10ora3: 03mojosdojo * r459 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Update GetGlyphSocketInfo for the new returns. |
| 13:19.15 | Torhal | LoadAddon(Blizzard_GuildUI) if you have to. |
| 13:19.16 | mojosdojo | slooooooooooow repo |
| 13:19.46 | Aikar | im betting he just needs to do the loadaddon |
| 13:19.48 | Vilkku | Torhal, that seems like something which will work, thanks |
| 13:19.56 | Aikar | guildframe is prolly not set due to the addon not being loaded |
| 13:20.30 | Aikar | Vilkku: you should be able to put it in .toc as a dep and wow will load it automatically |
| 13:20.54 | Vilkku | ah |
| 13:21.03 | Aikar | which place to put it in toc i dunno.... i dont do ui dev yet lol |
| 13:21.45 | Torhal | ## OptionalDeps: Blizzard_GuildUI |
| 13:22.51 | Torhal | If that doesn't work, do the LoadAddon() thinger |
| 13:23.05 | Torhal | And on that note, I'm going to go pass out for a few hours. |
| 13:23.22 | Stanzilla | happy outpassing |
| 13:23.58 | Vilkku | thanks Torhal |
| 13:24.30 | steevdave | okay, holy paladin is actually quite fun in 4.0.1 |
| 13:24.54 | steevdave | kinda cool seeing half the opposing team having to focus fire me to kill me, and i'm not even in pvp gear |
| 13:25.05 | Elkano | Humbedooh, you must note that taht picture is 4 years old and was before they decided that names should be translated, too |
| 13:25.17 | Humbedooh | suuure, weasel out of it |
| 13:25.39 | steevdave | that picture is awesome, although, i have nfi what it says |
| 13:27.20 | robokitty | huggles Elkano |
| 13:27.29 | robokitty | FramesResized <3<3<3 |
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| 13:30.51 | arkanes | steevdave: I healtanked instance bosses at 85 as holy. The self healing is pretty ridiculous. |
| 13:31.07 | steevdave | arkanes: yeah it is |
| 13:31.21 | steevdave | i've also become a huge fan of Eternal Glory |
| 13:31.32 | steevdave | having it proc 5 times in a row is nice |
| 13:32.26 | ramoz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.30 | ramoz_ | uhm |
| 13:32.32 | steevdave | nope |
| 13:33.36 | steevdave | okay, work time, or, as i like to call it, play wow at a different location time |
| 13:33.45 | Aikar | Elkano: do you have any ideas on how to fix EBB to let you cancel bufffs? i was just thinking could you possibly right click, a button shows up under the mouse that you could then click again to cancel the buff? |
| 13:34.23 | Elkano | Aikar, like http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/elkbuffbars.aspx#849991 ? ^^ |
| 13:34.56 | Aikar | has to be in middle out of combat? :( |
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| 13:35.16 | Ackis | Elkano: can you implement a quick fix for buffs like the bat costume? :( |
| 13:35.49 | Elkano | well, /cancelaura + shift-click on buff could work |
| 13:35.51 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r133 ClassDefaults.lua: |
| 13:35.52 | Repo | Added display of soul shards and eclipse energies on relevant spells. |
| 13:35.53 | Repo | Removed most self talent proc so people could report which aren't handled by Blizzard. |
| 13:35.57 | arkanes | I have a buff bar addon that uses the secure headers and works basically like EBBs default layout |
| 13:36.17 | Elkano | well, with the secure header you have to use XML templates :/ |
| 13:36.19 | arkanes | it's full of bugs and stuff that doesn't work because SecureAuraHeader is a steaming pile of nonsense |
| 13:36.29 | arkanes | but it's about as working as you can get :\ |
| 13:37.02 | arkanes | Elkano: the inability to set the size of the buttons in any way except hardcoding them in XML sucks |
| 13:38.01 | arkanes | I really wish blizzard would use the secure headers for their own stuff, that way at least SAH would work for vehicles and with weapon enchants |
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| 13:40.48 | Ackis | so what exploit did they fix by making that change Elkano? |
| 13:41.38 | Elkano | I don't know for sure but most likely stuff like inteligent buff canceling |
| 13:42.17 | Elkano | maybe also some intelligent casting based on the existence of frames for certain buffs |
| 13:42.41 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-2: 03Whitetooth * r7 LibStatLogic-1.2/LibStatLogic-1.2.lua: - Implement Leather, Mail, Plate Specialization Bonuses |
| 13:42.43 | arkanes | nah you can still detect buffs just fine |
| 13:43.09 | arkanes | they never said exactly what they were fixing, but I can't imagine its anything except druid shifting to avoid CC |
| 13:43.32 | arkanes | the only other use cases of auto-cancellation are dealt with just as easily by macros |
| 13:43.39 | ccKep | @project stamina-killer |
| 13:43.41 | Repo | ccKep: http://www.wowace.com/addons/stamina-killer/. Stamina Killer. Game: WoW. Anadale (Manager/Author). Updated: 151 days ago. Tickets: 1/1 |
| 13:43.43 | Vanadium | Oh, you updated EBB. Great <:D |
| 13:43.45 | ccKep | ^ |
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| 13:45.35 | Vanadium | How comes the default buff frames get to rightclick-cancel buffs? Are they just plain privileged? |
| 13:45.44 | arkanes | Vanadium: yes |
| 13:46.09 | Ackis | anyone bored and want to take a look at Heal Organizer? |
| 13:46.12 | Ackis | @project healorganizer |
| 13:46.14 | Repo | Ackis: No project found that matches 'healorganizer' |
| 13:46.18 | Ackis | @project heal-organizer |
| 13:46.20 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/heal-organizer/. Heal Organizer. Game: WoW. raegx (Manager/Author), Ackis (Author), Progman (Author). Updated: 45 hours ago. Tickets: 5/6 |
| 13:46.20 | Vanadium | That sounds dumb. Oh, well. |
| 13:47.18 | ccKep | isn't the whole point of SecureAuraHeaders to allow mods to provide cancel-buff functionality while restricting intelligent sorting and stuff like that? |
| 13:47.26 | arkanes | yes |
| 13:48.07 | arkanes | unfortunately, it is *very* limited and also full of bugs |
| 13:48.40 | arkanes | http://bitbucket.org/arkanes/kbf/overview for something that kinda resembles EBB, but allows buff cancellation |
| 13:52.08 | dafi | Torhal: SpellBookFrame:Show() doesn't seem to work |
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| 13:59.22 | Ackis | nebula169: ping |
| 14:02.25 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r102 / (9 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
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| 14:09.23 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03computerpunk * r81 : UnderHood: |
| 14:09.24 | Repo | - Removed LibDruidMana external. |
| 14:09.44 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03computerpunk * r82 : UnderHood: |
| 14:09.45 | Repo | - Removed svn-ignore props. |
| 14:10.15 | Repo | 10under-hood: 03computerpunk * r83 / (31 files in 4 directories): UnderHood: |
| 14:10.16 | Repo | - Oops. Readded graphics files. |
| 14:10.17 | Repo | - Oops. Readded automatic revision checks. |
| 14:10.18 | Repo | - Added Numeric Bar support for Holy Power and Soul Shards. Together with HideBlizzard support for Blizzard versions. |
| 14:10.57 | mojosdojo | @project under-hood |
| 14:11.30 | Repo | mojosdojo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/under-hood/. UnderHood. Game: WoW. Anadale (Manager/Author), computerpunk (Maintainer). Updated: 64 seconds ago. Tickets: 21/35 |
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| 14:13.39 | Repo | 10pokedex: 03stencil * r94 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 14:13.40 | Repo | Add externals back in to svn settings, add LibQTip to project libs for developer version only. |
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| 14:27.06 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r103 / (2 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
| 14:27.33 | Stanzilla | the commit msg log for bison looks awesome |
| 14:28.43 | Slayman | what the heck is wowpedia? it looks like it's taking content from wowwiki and reupping it with the occasional changed reference. What's up with that? |
| 14:29.18 | Slayman | @describe bison |
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| 14:29.23 | Repo | Slayman: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bison/. Bison. Customizing your buff display |
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| 14:33.28 | Ackis | Slayman: wowwiki content is freely available, wowpedia is basically forking wowwiki because wikia were screwing them over |
| 14:34.03 | Ackis | feel free to join #wowpedia for more info |
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| 14:34.36 | thelibrarian | Ackis: sounds familiar, another game I play had to move their community wiki away from wikia as well |
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| 14:36.05 | SunTsu | yay, EU realms are fscked |
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| 14:36.46 | Slayman | SunTsu: how so? |
| 14:36.52 | kd3|netbook | yawns |
| 14:36.56 | kd3|netbook | from 32,000 feet! |
| 14:37.26 | Slayman | SunTsu: ah ok I see My Instance ain't loading at all, I fear I may be stuck there f*ing awesome |
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| 14:37.33 | SunTsu | Slayman: losing server connections while loading, I can't load my toon |
| 14:37.44 | SunTsu | Slayman: yeah, or something like that |
| 14:37.51 | kd3|netbook | wipe your caches (both of them) and try again |
| 14:38.12 | Slayman | yeah I gtot ported |
| 14:40.27 | mojosdojo | How long do feasts stay up if you prepare them? |
| 14:40.53 | Slayman | 5min-ish ? |
| 14:40.59 | Slayman | 3min-ish |
| 14:42.30 | mojosdojo | I need a definite answer ;) |
| 14:44.44 | kd3|netbook | 5m |
| 14:46.15 | mojosdojo | sure? |
| 14:46.40 | SunTsu | kd3|netbook: wiping caches does not change a thing |
| 14:46.56 | Slayman | kd3|netbook: he's right |
| 14:47.10 | kd3|netbook | then you're SOL until the instance server ports you out |
| 14:47.29 | kd3|netbook | mojosdojo, afaik yes |
| 14:47.48 | mojosdojo | Ok, thanks. |
| 14:47.48 | Slayman | How the hell can the manage to actually implement additional bugs in that 13h maintenance window is beyond me |
| 14:48.25 | Slayman | and now no characters are found, it get's better all the time |
| 14:49.22 | vhaarr | can someone help me interpret this message I just got from someone I have never talked to before |
| 14:49.25 | vhaarr | "Hey Rabbit. Using this add-on to the end-user and you are sorry for the trouble. Next update will prevent the mistakes to avoid. I sincerely apologize. Thank you for your hard work always." |
| 14:49.33 | vhaarr | subject: !BugGrabber |
| 14:49.48 | Ackis | vhaarr: they want to take you out for coffee |
| 14:49.50 | nevcairiel | translate it back to chinese, maybe it makes more sense |
| 14:51.25 | vhaarr | perhaps be means "Using this addon as an end-user and I am sorry for the trouble. Next update will fix the bug." |
| 14:51.37 | nevcairiel | still doesnt make much sense to me |
| 14:51.41 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 14:51.52 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03thelibrarian * r164 / (2 files in 2 directories): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 14:51.53 | Repo | Add a table of group buffs that ZOMGBuffs doesn't normally track, but that conflict with ones that it does. Could also be done by adding it to the existing ids table for each individual buff, but I think doing it by category is cleaner. |
| 14:51.54 | Repo | Add Commanding Shout and Blood Pact for Stamina so that they show up instead of Power Word: Fortitude if present (BuffTehRaid is already avoiding buffing in that case, this just fixes the icons in the group list). |
| 14:51.55 | Repo | Move Dalaran Brilliance and Fel Intellegence to the new otherBuffs table, and remove special casing for them. |
| 14:51.56 | Repo | buffTypes is a superset of buffsLookup for all current uses of it, remove buffsLookup. |
| 14:52.05 | Repo | 10simple-minimap: 03Ackis 04v40000-1 * r163 : Tagging as v40000-1 |
| 14:52.09 | vhaarr | how do I reply? |
| 14:52.24 | vhaarr | "I don't understand your message" might be enough |
| 14:53.56 | Megalon | just write |
| 14:54.13 | Megalon | You dun goof'd!! Consequences will never be the same. |
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| 14:55.13 | nevcairiel | Write an answer in your native language and let google translate it to english |
| 14:55.20 | nevcairiel | sounds the same, i bet! |
| 14:55.43 | thelibrarian | "I am write single to salute and wait for answer again. Thank you and lucky day, next update will conquer all!" |
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| 14:56.09 | steev | vhaarr: Perhaps what is meant is, I am using this addon and am getting some sort of an error, perhaps there will be an update that fixes this issue? Sorry I don't know what other information to provide, thank you for your work on a great addon!" |
| 14:56.34 | nevcairiel | steev: you can't come along and make sense, thats no fun |
| 14:56.35 | steev | I work in tech support, i speak horribadengrish |
| 14:56.59 | steev | there was one that got me though |
| 14:57.09 | steev | took me a long time to figure out wtf the customer was talking about |
| 14:57.22 | steev | kept saying something about being unable to visit earl |
| 14:57.35 | nevcairiel | earl = url |
| 14:57.38 | nevcairiel | now thats obvious |
| 14:57.47 | steev | not when its said with a southern accent |
| 14:57.57 | Humbedooh | thelibrarian: fhqwhgads? ;( |
| 14:58.03 | quiesense | moo |
| 14:58.08 | Pneumatus | i wonder if i can solo HH as a disc priest |
| 14:58.20 | nevcairiel | honor hold? sure. |
| 14:58.22 | steev | Pneumatus: probably |
| 14:58.26 | Pneumatus | headless horseman |
| 14:58.27 | quiesense | eventually |
| 14:58.34 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r460 modules/Cooldowns.lua: * Add more druid CDs and scan talents |
| 14:58.35 | nevcairiel | but why would you? |
| 14:58.35 | Repo | * Show spell tooltip while hovering the ability in the UI |
| 14:58.36 | Repo | * Show spell icon alongside each checkbox |
| 14:58.49 | nevcairiel | Its not like you roll on the mount when it drops |
| 14:58.50 | Pneumatus | because im the only one in the instance because people are getting bugged all the time zoning in |
| 14:58.58 | nevcairiel | oh, heh |
| 14:59.01 | steev | heh |
| 14:59.02 | thelibrarian | Humbedooh: admit it, you had to google it to figure out how to spell it. though if you didn't have to then consider me disturbed |
| 14:59.12 | steev | it didn't bug out for me at all |
| 14:59.18 | steev | and then it bugged twice in one attempt |
| 14:59.21 | nevcairiel | thelibrarian: it would'nt surprise me if he knew! |
| 14:59.22 | Humbedooh | pfft, I know my fhqwhgads! |
| 14:59.28 | thelibrarian | lol |
| 14:59.33 | steev | wtf is fhqwhgads |
| 14:59.38 | Humbedooh | ;O |
| 14:59.43 | steev | someone said that to me last night and then said, er thanks |
| 14:59.43 | nevcairiel | Humbedooh: so, the long version, go |
| 14:59.44 | Humbedooh | google it, steev! |
| 14:59.57 | thelibrarian | oh no, what have I done |
| 15:00.05 | Humbedooh | fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf..ish |
| 15:00.26 | nevcairiel | strong bad ftw |
| 15:00.26 | Humbedooh | baleted! |
| 15:00.38 | Humbedooh | a shame they stopped making new episodes :\ |
| 15:00.43 | thelibrarian | yeah, it's kinda dead |
| 15:00.48 | nevcairiel | i havent watched for years, i dont hink |
| 15:00.52 | nevcairiel | probably some i dont know |
| 15:01.19 | steev | ah that |
| 15:01.23 | steev | yeah, i was never a fan |
| 15:02.46 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2908 / (4 files in 4 directories): small updates |
| 15:03.56 | Parnic|Work | oh sweet, wowpedia is on mediawiki. so the search actually works |
| 15:04.27 | dafi | is there any performance hit on using one huge SavedVariable instead of a not so big SavedVariable per char? |
| 15:04.54 | thelibrarian | dafi: minimal, unless you have just a whole crapload of tables or something in there |
| 15:04.56 | Pneumatus | SVPC is horrible, unless you truely need to save stuff that is only ever going to be specifically used for that char |
| 15:05.04 | Pneumatus | SV is generally always a better option anyway |
| 15:05.49 | dafi | well it's a logging addon so I expect the SV to grow into the a few megabytes |
| 15:06.53 | Pneumatus | WoW does have problems re-loading huge tables in general though |
| 15:07.22 | Pneumatus | so if you have multiple huge subtables in a single SV, it could be problematic, yeh |
| 15:07.24 | Aikar | Parnic|Work: is this opposite day? |
| 15:07.36 | Aikar | i find mediawiki's search to be the most horrible search ive ever seen ;( |
| 15:07.42 | Parnic|Work | aikar: it's a huge improvement over wikia's search |
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| 15:07.54 | Parnic|Work | i could rarely find anything unless i knew proper capitalization and prepended API_ on api stuff |
| 15:08.04 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:08.06 | nevcairiel | it sucked really bad |
| 15:08.11 | Aikar | hmm so they improved it but wikia didnt? |
| 15:08.27 | Aikar | ill admit my wiki browsing has been on wikia mostly |
| 15:08.33 | nevcairiel | so wikia even stole their name, that they have to rename to wowpedia now, eh |
| 15:08.55 | Aikar | nevcairiel: wikia owns the domain |
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| 15:09.08 | Aikar | i dont think they ever owned it |
| 15:09.20 | kd3|netbook | vlad owned it before he sold the site to wikia |
| 15:09.23 | Aikar | ah |
| 15:10.00 | thelibrarian | he might be able to get it back if he pushes hard enough |
| 15:10.07 | kd3|netbook | no |
| 15:10.09 | kd3|netbook | it's not for sale |
| 15:10.10 | kd3|netbook | we asked |
| 15:10.15 | Aikar | i doubt wikia would give up their largest wiki :( |
| 15:10.30 | kd3|netbook | they're not giving it up, they're about to lose it |
| 15:10.39 | Aikar | i meant the domain |
| 15:10.54 | Aikar | if they gave up the domain, noone would go to their wiki = they lose alot of money |
| 15:10.54 | nevcairiel | with the community leaving, it'll be worthless sooner or later |
| 15:10.57 | kd3|netbook | oh, no. wowwiki's something like >10% of wikia's global page views |
| 15:11.23 | thelibrarian | paragonwiki (city of heroes) wiki was in the same boat. independant wiki, convinced by wikia to come on board, handed over the domain, eventually relized that wikia sucks and left. they somehow managed to get their domain name back. |
| 15:11.27 | Aikar | itll still take a long time for ppl to switch |
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| 15:11.43 | thelibrarian | not sure if it was a legal threat or if the owner just never fully transferred it |
| 15:11.50 | nevcairiel | yeah i never got why to use some wiki hosting thing anyway |
| 15:11.50 | kd3|netbook | hopefully the announcements we're going to make (soon) will help |
| 15:11.52 | Aikar | specially when its the #1 search result for most things |
| 15:11.59 | kd3|netbook | and if I can help it, an announcement at blizzcon ;) |
| 15:12.12 | nevcairiel | is there a UI panel this time? |
| 15:12.17 | kd3|netbook | nev; largely because it's expensive to roll your own. vlad sold out because he couldn't keep up |
| 15:12.34 | thelibrarian | if the wowwiki creator owns any sort of trademark on the name, it might be possible to challenge it, but I'm not sure what the standing is there :) |
| 15:12.37 | Aikar | nevcairiel: mediawiki is pretty bloated, it uses alot of resources so running a large wiki is pretty costy |
| 15:12.41 | kd3|netbook | he doesn't |
| 15:12.43 | thelibrarian | ah, ok |
| 15:12.44 | nevcairiel | meh, put up some ads if you must, should pay for a decent server |
| 15:13.07 | kd3|netbook | which is the plan. precisely one (1) ad. |
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| 15:13.24 | pentium166 | not three ads for eve online on every page? |
| 15:13.30 | kd3|netbook | indeed |
| 15:13.30 | Aikar | in the ffxi scene ffxiclopedia had like 12k/yr server bills so when wikia offered to buy them, they took the offer |
| 15:13.40 | nevcairiel | I would probably go with one google ads banner, in my experience it pays pretty good |
| 15:13.41 | thelibrarian | wikia stepped over the line when they started putting ads inline in articles, imo |
| 15:13.45 | kd3|netbook | and none of those horrid video ads with sounds on by default |
| 15:13.57 | nevcairiel | and google ads are totally not annoying |
| 15:14.06 | Aikar | google doesnt pay so well tho |
| 15:14.22 | Aikar | need impression based ads |
| 15:14.23 | nevcairiel | sure, those flash banners bring more money, but if its enough to run the box, who cares |
| 15:15.08 | nevcairiel | I dunno, all other ad providers i've had to work with over the years screwed us over eventually with their shit |
| 15:15.32 | nevcairiel | its a pretty shady segment of the webs :P |
| 15:15.43 | Aikar | not bashing google, i use em myself. just click based ads arnt as high as impression based lol |
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| 15:15.56 | Aikar | and also google does flash ads too unless you turn off image ads and do text only |
| 15:16.15 | Aikar | i wish theyd give img/text only and disable flash ads |
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| 15:16.41 | Aikar | speakng of i need to check my adsense |
| 15:16.54 | nevcairiel | everyone wants animated ads these days |
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| 15:16.58 | nevcairiel | and gif is "out"! |
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| 15:22.04 | Repo | 10gridbufficons: 03warbaby * r14 / (4 files in 1 directory): -- change the separator from '|' to ',' |
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| 15:33.26 | dafi | can an addonA access the SavedVariabled of addonB? |
| 15:33.26 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol 07cataclysm * r2909 LootTableModules/Cataclysm/cataclysm.lua: bugfix |
| 15:33.41 | kd3|netbook | SVs are global, so... |
| 15:33.41 | thelibrarian | dafi: yes, if addonB has loaded |
| 15:33.57 | dafi | thelibrarian: but without addonB loading? |
| 15:34.02 | kd3|netbook | no |
| 15:34.04 | thelibrarian | nil |
| 15:34.26 | thelibrarian | auctioneer keeps its scan data in the SV of a shell addon, so that it can load it on demand |
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| 15:34.56 | dafi | guess i'll have to create a dummy addon to load the SV |
| 15:36.38 | pompy1 | "The gold cap is now 1,000,000 Gold." |
| 15:36.57 | nevcairiel | its actually 999,999,999.99.99 |
| 15:37.00 | nevcairiel | er |
| 15:37.03 | nevcairiel | one block too much |
| 15:37.04 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:37.08 | Niv | the bumped it? |
| 15:37.16 | nevcairiel | its actually 999,999.99.99 |
| 15:37.19 | nevcairiel | there! |
| 15:37.26 | dafi | they raised the gold cap :O? |
| 15:38.38 | Slayman | now will there be some thing thats costs 250.000 Gold? |
| 15:39.27 | pompy1 | yes |
| 15:39.30 | pompy1 | read mmo-c |
| 15:39.38 | Aikar | lol |
| 15:39.43 | pompy1 | "You can farm Anzu in heroic Sethekk Halls for his epic mount even if you're not a druid." |
| 15:39.46 | Aikar | damnit there goes my goal of hitting gold cap |
| 15:40.40 | Slayman | Aikar: you can still do it, but it'll be worth something again once you do. |
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| 15:46.47 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03thelibrarian * r165 ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs.lua: (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 15:46.48 | Repo | Add a generlized "aliases" mechanism to the SelfBuffs module as well. Should really think about consolidating this info across the modules somehow to avoid duplication. |
| 15:46.49 | Repo | Move the DK checks out of a special case skip() and into aliases. |
| 15:46.50 | Repo | Don't tell warriors they need to refresh Battle Shout if they already have Strength of Earth or Horn of Winter. |
| 15:46.51 | Repo | Ditto for Commanding Shout vs. Blood Pact and Power Word: Fort |
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| 15:56.19 | steev | does anyone have a list of the way buffs have changed akin to the self_buffs thing |
| 15:56.30 | Vonhinten | So, if you GuildPromote a character to an authenticator rank and they don't have an authenticator, it just skips it and goes to the next rank? |
| 15:56.35 | Vonhinten | What kind of fucking security design is that |
| 15:56.48 | steev | doesn't throw an error or anything? |
| 15:56.51 | Vonhinten | no |
| 15:56.54 | thelibrarian | steev: I saw a cataclysm buff breakdown somewhere, let me see if I can find it |
| 15:56.54 | Vonhinten | silent skip |
| 15:57.08 | nevcairiel | thats a weird rank setup anyhow |
| 15:57.21 | Vonhinten | Not really |
| 15:57.23 | thelibrarian | http://multiboxing.com/forums/f2/buffs-debuffs-stacking-cataclysm-3599.html has most of them |
| 15:57.24 | nevcairiel | but it sounds like the best way to do it, all other ways would be way complicated |
| 15:57.43 | nevcairiel | i mena, just refusing to promote sucks, of course |
| 15:57.52 | nevcairiel | how would you reach the higher ranks that dont require one |
| 15:58.03 | Vonhinten | Peon -> Authenticated Peon -> Raiding Rank, Authenticated Raiding Rank -> Officer -> Authenticated Officer |
| 15:58.08 | Vonhinten | That's in order of increasing permissions |
| 15:58.40 | nevcairiel | I guess it just says "Promoted to Raiding Rank" when you try? |
| 15:58.50 | Vonhinten | nev, good point, I guess I would expect an error code at least |
| 15:59.11 | Vonhinten | yeah, peon would go to raiding rank |
| 15:59.14 | Vonhinten | with no error |
| 15:59.26 | nevcairiel | its not "silent" then =) You just have to pay attention |
| 15:59.45 | thelibrarian | not sure what else it could do. the officer who promoted can just say "oh, whoops, you suck. demoted." |
| 15:59.50 | nevcairiel | The security it adds is against hacked accounts |
| 16:00.00 | nevcairiel | not against you letting people into the guildbank accidentally :p |
| 16:00.34 | Joddie | it's the "best" way to deal with it without having to add a lot of UI to handle special cases of rank setups |
| 16:01.12 | kagaro | can anyone confirm you can only use 1 battle rez per fight now? |
| 16:01.32 | Vonhinten | It would be nice if I can query whether someone has an authenticator |
| 16:02.01 | Joddie | nothing stops you from having peon->raid->officer->peon auth->raid auth->officer auth either, and by the time you are "promoted" to peon auth, nobody had time to loot the gbank. |
| 16:02.09 | Joddie | Not sure that setup is any better/worse really |
| 16:02.56 | Vonhinten | Joddie, there's no inherited permissions anyway, it just doesn't conceptually make sense given the way we set up our permissions |
| 16:03.38 | nevcairiel | I guess i would require officers to have authenticators anyway, which cuts down one rank in there .. and "peons" don't need any access in our guilds setup |
| 16:03.43 | nevcairiel | simplifys it alot |
| 16:03.45 | Joddie | Vonhinten: yeah, I know... and it probably won't ever make real sense.. the authenticator layer is on top of the ranks layer.. it gets messed up |
| 16:05.06 | Joddie | and I get "character not found" when trying to log in... fun times |
| 16:05.39 | Vonhinten | we kind of do require auth for officers, but we have a couple ancient officers that can't seem to be fucked to get one, and it'd be rude to demote them |
| 16:06.03 | Joddie | yeah, understandable |
| 16:06.10 | nevcairiel | I would be rude |
| 16:06.11 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:06.29 | Joddie | hehe, I would probably demote them to "lazy officer" |
| 16:06.29 | Vonhinten | then cause you're a cold hearted rude dude |
| 16:06.48 | nevcairiel | "Look guys, you can still be officers, but you only get the ingame rank when you get a f'ing authenticator." |
| 16:07.29 | nevcairiel | There is free authenticators now, too! |
| 16:07.49 | steev | where!? |
| 16:07.53 | nevcairiel | smartphones get them for free, and if you insist, you could setup a web application to produce the codes |
| 16:07.55 | sbu | mobile - iphone/android |
| 16:08.05 | quiesense | effort |
| 16:08.11 | steev | that shit ain't free |
| 16:08.16 | nevcairiel | sure is |
| 16:08.24 | sbu | there are standalone windows applications available |
| 16:08.27 | sbu | as authenticator replacement |
| 16:08.28 | Stanzilla | wtb authenticator desktop app! |
| 16:08.36 | steev | 7 dollars versus 99.99(plus monthly fees/service charge for contract for discount of said phone) |
| 16:08.36 | Joddie | what sbu said |
| 16:08.38 | Stanzilla | sbu: giev |
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| 16:08.51 | nevcairiel | steev: you're not supposed to buy the phone to run the app :P |
| 16:09.05 | nevcairiel | desktop apps are kinda fail |
| 16:09.11 | nevcairiel | once they get widespread use |
| 16:09.17 | sbu | nevcairiel: yes... |
| 16:09.17 | nevcairiel | they will be targeted by the worms as well |
| 16:09.24 | nevcairiel | and byebye security |
| 16:10.13 | Joddie | nevcairiel: implement your own and no worm will ever target it ;) |
| 16:10.30 | nevcairiel | like thats viable for anyone else =) |
| 16:10.45 | quiesense | in our day we just kept our passwords a secret |
| 16:11.00 | nevcairiel | alot of people apparently fail at that |
| 16:11.21 | quiesense | although, there was an equivalent to today's authenticator systems |
| 16:11.25 | sbu | i'd love to create a backup-authenticator, but apple doesnt allow me to :o |
| 16:11.34 | quiesense | in s/key one time passwords |
| 16:11.40 | steev | in OUR day, we didn't even have passwords </stallman> |
| 16:11.46 | quiesense | but back then you usually had like, a printout of a sequence of them |
| 16:11.54 | quiesense | so you'd just use one each time |
| 16:12.03 | nevcairiel | those systems are still used by banks :p |
| 16:12.21 | sbu | but i think i will replace my authenticator some day with a web or linux shell app *shrug* |
| 16:12.27 | Joddie | nevcairiel: yeah I had one of those untill 5 years ago, when they sent me an authenticator thingy instead |
| 16:12.30 | steev | hell yeah webapp |
| 16:12.33 | quiesense | well you could technically still set it up in modern systems |
| 16:12.33 | steev | ill run it |
| 16:12.47 | quiesense | but its not something that happens often any more |
| 16:12.51 | steev | real-blizzard-authenticator-webapp-honest.com |
| 16:13.09 | sbu | mh i could setup webapp for my guild, so i could use their accounts... mhhhm... :p |
| 16:13.17 | Joddie | with /not-szam as path? |
| 16:13.31 | Joddie | scam* |
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| 16:15.12 | quiesense | i would be more worried about the actual data on a system more than a password to a game if a computer here were ever compromised o.o |
| 16:15.30 | quiesense | people logging into internet banking, etc |
| 16:16.03 | Joddie | I thought everyone had authenticators on their internet banking these days.. you mean you don't? |
| 16:16.20 | Parnic|Work | my bank doesn't even offer one that i'm aware of |
| 16:16.28 | Joddie | wow.. :o |
| 16:16.49 | steev | ditto |
| 16:16.59 | steev | but its k |
| 16:17.06 | steev | they show me a picture when i try to login |
| 16:17.17 | steev | and i click yes or no if it matches the one it should be! |
| 16:17.45 | Joddie | lol |
| 16:17.52 | Parnic|Work | up until recently i couldn't even have special characters in my bank password. alphanum only. it was a complete joke |
| 16:18.08 | durcyn | Parnic|Work: wells fargo? |
| 16:18.11 | Parnic|Work | yep! :P |
| 16:18.46 | durcyn | it wasn't until about four years ago they let you pick a username instead of logging in with your full SSN |
| 16:18.58 | quiesense | to be fair it doesn't make much difference |
| 16:19.10 | quiesense | even if they had all fancy stuff for internet banking logins |
| 16:19.13 | durcyn | and it wasn't until about two years ago that they served up the login page itself via SSL, i was able to sniff my roommate's login trivially with ettercap |
| 16:19.14 | nevcairiel | steev: thats just a phising protection, not security |
| 16:19.17 | quiesense | the weakest link would just be elsewhere |
| 16:19.21 | Slayman | http://www.youtube.com/v/ToKIkw3LIoQ Now That is SURREAL! |
| 16:19.49 | quiesense | credit cards are mostly still just, the number, expiration date, and maybe another couple digits |
| 16:20.49 | Ackis | kagaro: ping |
| 16:21.02 | kagaro | Ackis: pong |
| 16:21.10 | quiesense | there isn't as much practical use in making internet banking logons super secure while everything else is still so relaxed |
| 16:21.28 | Ackis | can you check your CF/wowace PM's please, someone submitted an update for HeadCount, and I'm not sure what you wanted them to do |
| 16:21.51 | steev | nevcairiel: its secure enough for me! |
| 16:21.58 | steev | actually, i login to their site like once a year |
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| 16:22.09 | kagaro | ya got it |
| 16:22.15 | steev | i wish my bank had an app like paypal's |
| 16:22.37 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r169 / (5 files in 3 directories): |
| 16:22.38 | Repo | - Fix to API to properly clear out "Have Mats" and "Has Skill Up" |
| 16:22.39 | Repo | - Update TOCs to only support 4.0.1 |
| 16:22.40 | Repo | - Minor optimizations when building filter list. |
| 16:22.49 | Thaoky | Could anyone with a deDE client tell me the spell tab name of the feral tree please ? (in the spell book, not in the talent UI) |
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| 16:26.05 | Slayman | wow eu is in between unplayable and unbearable, I guess I just do some LoL then, who's with me? |
| 16:26.27 | kagaro | Ackis: i sent a reply to have him PM me with his fixes |
| 16:26.43 | Ackis | thanks kagaro |
| 16:26.48 | Adirelle | gaaah, when I asked you to report outdated spell ids, I didn't think every one would report each error for each class ... |
| 16:27.06 | Caleb| | ~alert |
| 16:27.06 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 16:27.13 | Caleb| | ~wowalert |
| 16:27.13 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 16:27.17 | Ackis | kagaro: if you need someone to tag a release let me know |
| 16:27.29 | Parnic|Work | wow purl, way to be a jerk |
| 16:27.38 | quiescens | quick, everyone report more things to adirelle |
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| 16:33.13 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r170 MRTAPI.lua: - Another minor API fix for DataStore_Craft |
| 16:33.16 | Slayman | of ALL the things they could have gotten right this time around, they fixed the "fly-over-well" in Dalaran srsly? |
| 16:36.25 | Slayman | hey while you are ignoring me all so well, does one of you know of a source for hunter pets that'll vanish come cata? if there is one |
| 16:36.39 | evl | getting stuck in loadscreen is getting old. |
| 16:37.10 | Joddie | Slayman: uhm.. "fly-over-well"? |
| 16:37.15 | Repo | 10mrtrader: 03kolenka * r171 MRTAPI.lua: |
| 16:37.16 | Repo | Tweak to PopFilterSelection() to always return true if MrTrader's window is open. |
| 16:37.30 | Parnic|Work | joddie: the fact that you could stay on your flying mount if you hovered over the well by the north bank |
| 16:37.51 | profalbert | the 310%-mount-showoff-well |
| 16:38.04 | Slayman | Joddie: the well in dala at the northern bank, you could fly above it without getting dismounted like in the rest of dala |
| 16:38.09 | Joddie | ah.. explains why I fell out of the sky without warning when entering dala yesterday |
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| 16:38.48 | Megalon | blizzard bug tracking team, fixing one at a time |
| 16:39.09 | Slayman | starting at the bottom with the least important |
| 16:40.05 | durcyn | oh, just wait until the rest of the 4.0.1 regressions are found. cataclysm was branched from an old-ass game version and shit like IsFlying() in dalaran/wintergrasp hadn't even been backported to beta until two months ago |
| 16:40.16 | profalbert | start at the bottom, with what we actually can fix. Since nobody seems to be able to fix the combatlog-bug for over 2 years |
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| 16:41.23 | Slayman | the first time my game is really impaired by all the added bugs |
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| 16:45.51 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r135 ClassDefaults.lua: More spell fixes. |
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| 16:47.10 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r75 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Added in Healing Debuff auras to check |
| 16:50.57 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r675 editmode.lua: Fix :GetTemplateMasteryState(). And Ticket-97 |
| 16:51.15 | Repo | 10pitbull4_vengancetext: 03mangeg 07master * 7a19c0b / (2 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] Initial commit. |
| 16:52.21 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r461 modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 16:52.22 | Repo | Add lots of warlock abilities, Raise Dead+AMZ for DK, PoM for Priest and Enrage for Bears + some glyphs. |
| 16:53.57 | Repo | 10pitbull4_vengancetext: 03mangeg 041.0 * a130d41 /: [new tag] Tagging |
| 16:54.28 | sbu | meh they have serious problemsm here |
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| 16:54.40 | sbu | what the hell are they doing - no patch but dead servers!? |
| 16:54.49 | Pneumatus | rolling restarts |
| 16:54.53 | Thaoky | same here |
| 16:54.54 | Pneumatus | to fix some instance bug |
| 16:55.03 | Pneumatus | instances have been eating chars all afternoon |
| 16:55.11 | sbu | rolling as in 12h? ;) |
| 16:55.26 | Joddie | rolling as in never-ending !? |
| 16:55.29 | Pneumatus | ~wowalert |
| 16:55.29 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 16:55.55 | Pneumatus | i heard valid html isn't their strong point |
| 16:56.27 | Joddie | <div><p>what you mean?</html</p> |
| 16:56.47 | Thaoky | lol |
| 17:07.22 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 04v1.5-beta-5 * r136 : Tagging as v1.5-beta-5 |
| 17:07.37 | Pneumatus | woo, talented updates |
| 17:08.53 | Pneumatus | just DrDamage, Utopia and LunarSphere to go, although i'd be surprised if Utopia gets updated :< |
| 17:09.06 | Gagorian | kek |
| 17:09.25 | durcyn | Pneumatus: I thought about picking up Utopia, but then I just started using Auracle instead |
| 17:10.20 | Pneumatus | durcyn: i'm guessing it doesn't have the graphing that utopia has for previous boss attempts etc though |
| 17:10.32 | durcyn | true, but i never used that, so =P |
| 17:11.07 | Pneumatus | i generally use the buff/debuff windows to check raid comp at the start of the raid, then refer to the boss segments in the viewer to see if debuffs weren't properly applied |
| 17:11.19 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r76 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixes and additional code for healing debuff check. |
| 17:11.38 | arkanes_ | it would make life so much easier if blizzard would expose spec information without having to do a request |
| 17:11.39 | Pneumatus | i wonder how much work it would be to fix utopia up, realistically |
| 17:12.21 | durcyn | not much, i'd want to rip out the talent scanning shit and just check spell ID returns from UnitAura, then the 'display-when' options are totally fucked and the split window shit never worked right |
| 17:12.51 | durcyn | zeksie tried to do way too godamn much with that addon |
| 17:13.04 | arkanes_ | the actual work of looking for raid debuffs is pretty trivial, detecting which ones your raid actually has available is harder |
| 17:13.05 | Pneumatus | well, the talent scanning stuff is there to check what the group is capable of, isnt it |
| 17:13.37 | arkanes_ | UnitClass should also return mastery index and you should get a roster update when someone swaps specs, be so much nicer |
| 17:13.48 | durcyn | who cares? you start with a default set of what each class wants, then show wether it's there or not |
| 17:14.00 | durcyn | whether* |
| 17:14.24 | durcyn | or start with them all defaulted to 'unavailable' then change the tint to 'missing' when they fade and aren't refreshed |
| 17:14.26 | arkanes_ | there's just not that many debuffs anymore |
| 17:14.28 | arkanes_ | maybe 8? |
| 17:14.42 | Repo | 10ora3: 03Rabbit * r462 modules/Cooldowns.lua: Add shaman CDs + some DK and druid ones. |
| 17:15.13 | Pneumatus | 9 debuff types, 16 buff types i think |
| 17:15.32 | durcyn | categories? AP reduction, attack speed reduction, cast speed reduction, armor reduction, physical damage, bleed damage, spell damage, spell crit, mortal strike, disarm |
| 17:15.40 | arkanes_ | World of logs is a better place for the uptimes and stuff I think |
| 17:15.52 | durcyn | the real time display is semi-useful |
| 17:15.55 | Pneumatus | WoL doesnt categories debuff types though |
| 17:15.58 | durcyn | and that part of the addon actually works |
| 17:16.00 | arkanes_ | it should! |
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| 17:16.35 | Pneumatus | if i want to see how long a boss had -damage% up for, i'd have to corrolate demo roar, demo shout, scarlet fever and vinidcation |
| 17:16.36 | Pneumatus | for example |
| 17:16.38 | durcyn | i haven't tried it recently though, Pneumatus, is LGT fucked by the inspect changes? |
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| 17:16.57 | Pneumatus | i dunno, raidbuffstatus still uses it, but that's not to say it works |
| 17:17.33 | Pneumatus | omg |
| 17:17.46 | Pneumatus | zek actually commited to LGT yesterday |
| 17:18.02 | arkanes_ | maybe I'll write my own utopia |
| 17:18.22 | Pneumatus | he's also been working on ZOMGBuffs and xperl, so i guess Utopia might get a look in |
| 17:18.25 | arkanes_ | integrating it with boss frames might be nice too |
| 17:18.32 | Niv | Utopia is the most useful |
| 17:18.36 | Niv | so hopefully |
| 17:18.38 | arkanes_ | he posted a comment saying he'd get ti it after some work with xperl |
| 17:18.55 | arkanes_ | I think thelibrarian has mostly taken over zomgbuffs |
| 17:18.59 | nevcairiel | LGT probably is somewhat crippled by inspect changes, though |
| 17:19.00 | Pneumatus | yeh, i really miss utopia, although its less noticable now with more classes covering buffs |
| 17:20.15 | Pneumatus | i don't really know what the inspect changes are to be able to comment |
| 17:20.29 | Pneumatus | most of the time my inspect is broken, anyway |
| 17:20.47 | nevcairiel | its just a very strong throttling on inspects in place |
| 17:21.14 | Pneumatus | so it would just take longer to build the full collection of talents for a group then? |
| 17:21.32 | durcyn | it's not necessary though, is the point |
| 17:21.50 | durcyn | UnitAura returns the exact debuff spell ID, so you don't need to check or improved talents anymore |
| 17:21.55 | Pneumatus | it's neccesary for pre-determining group capability if people need to switch specs etc |
| 17:21.59 | durcyn | and the only improved talent that even matters is improved faerie fire |
| 17:22.02 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker 06morsker2 * r92 / (3 files in 2 directories): options table is under 1000 lines now :) |
| 17:22.03 | Repo | parameterize strings more to make localization easier |
| 17:22.23 | durcyn | oh, no, what ever did people do for synergy before addons existed |
| 17:22.28 | arkanes_ | even imp FF doesn't really matter |
| 17:22.37 | arkanes_ | you'd just check the stacks |
| 17:22.42 | durcyn | who builds your raids, a drunk kid with a crayon? |
| 17:23.30 | durcyn | arkanes_: is there even an imp FF talent anymore? |
| 17:23.42 | durcyn | arkanes_: or was that removed along with Misery |
| 17:23.53 | arkanes_ | durcyn: it makes FF apply 3 stacks per use |
| 17:24.01 | arkanes_ | and its in feral |
| 17:24.14 | durcyn | arkanes_: yeah, but that's feral. i'm talking about the old Improved Faerie Fire that granted 3% spell hit along with the armor debuff |
| 17:24.20 | arkanes_ | yeah that ones gone |
| 17:24.23 | arkanes_ | all the +hit talents are |
| 17:24.32 | durcyn | so, zero need for inspection to determine available debuffs |
| 17:24.57 | arkanes_ | you'd want inspection if you didn't want to be warned about stuff your raid can't apply |
| 17:25.01 | arkanes_ | but thats the only reason |
| 17:25.08 | Pneumatus | and buffs |
| 17:25.31 | arkanes_ | buffs gets a little more complicated, especially with nutty overwrite behavior |
| 17:25.32 | durcyn | if i was actually writing something like that, i'd color everything grey by default, then tint it red once it's been applied but is now missing |
| 17:25.42 | arkanes_ | be nicer if all buffs applied but you only got one benefit from overlaps |
| 17:25.50 | nevcairiel | are characters stuck in an instance fixed yet? |
| 17:26.06 | Pneumatus | plus, there are still debuffs that are only available in certain talent specs, so you'd need to see them being used once to know you had them without talent scanning |
| 17:26.09 | arkanes_ | durcyn: sure, but some people might want the other stuff. I'd make it a module, if i was motivated to do it. |
| 17:26.14 | sbu | nevcairiel: i cant even login :p |
| 17:26.20 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: nope, and realms still havnt been restarted |
| 17:26.23 | arkanes_ | I'm actually feeling like writing one now |
| 17:26.25 | Pneumatus | well, not all of them (if some have) |
| 17:26.26 | arkanes_ | so maybe I will |
| 17:26.27 | sbu | game "freezes" when selecting the realm |
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| 17:26.35 | durcyn | arkanes_: i'm thinking of a world where inspection blows up, much like the one we live in now |
| 17:26.35 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: it said in 15 minutes like 45 minutes ago! |
| 17:26.36 | sbu | and unfreezes when clicking cancel ;) |
| 17:26.40 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r77 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Missed two spots that calculate healing. |
| 17:26.46 | sbu | nevcairiel: some EN realsm are down |
| 17:27.17 | durcyn | arkanes_: unless there's some way to get trees/masteries without inspecting |
| 17:29.10 | Joddie | force everyone in the raid to have an addon and have them report it to the RL |
| 17:29.20 | durcyn | agents are bad, fuck that |
| 17:29.28 | durcyn | what's this look like librock |
| 17:29.52 | Joddie | (sorry bad atempt at humour) |
| 17:29.54 | nevcairiel | If you can force everyone to run some addon, you should already know what your raid makeup is, tbfh |
| 17:30.12 | Pneumatus | are fire mages and locks really the only class/specs that bring the increased spell crit debuff? |
| 17:30.44 | durcyn | if they removed the Totem of Wrath debuff, then yes |
| 17:30.44 | arkanes_ | durcyn: there's indirect ways like looking at auras |
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| 17:31.07 | durcyn | arkanes_: i don't think UnitAura exposes the mastery passives though |
| 17:31.26 | nevcairiel | that wouldnt be really indirect |
| 17:31.29 | durcyn | they're hidden like gem and socket bonus buffs, iirc |
| 17:32.00 | arkanes_ | durcyn: not directly, but say if you have an imp icy talons aura, you know the DK applying it is frost |
| 17:32.09 | Pneumatus | yeh, totem of wrath is now just a spellpower increase |
| 17:32.13 | durcyn | arkanes_: you've got it backwards |
| 17:32.40 | durcyn | arkanes_: right now utopia scans talents to see if someone has icy talons at all, then shows a buff button for it if it's available |
| 17:33.01 | arkanes_ | durcyn: yes I know |
| 17:33.15 | durcyn | what you're talking about is what i suggested as a replacement =P |
| 17:33.20 | arkanes_ | but what you can do is look for indicators as to what spec they are from the global information, and infer other information from that |
| 17:33.22 | nevcairiel | heh, when you're playing audio in exclusive mode, WoW suddenly outputs its audio over the secondary audio out .. my headphones <.< |
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| 17:33.40 | arkanes_ | for example, if they provide imp IT, then you know they should be applying the phys damage debuff |
| 17:34.06 | durcyn | arkanes_: there's already a lib out there that guesses based on that crap, but it's hairy |
| 17:34.18 | arkanes_ | durcyn: yeah I probably wouldn't bother personally |
| 17:34.28 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r78 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Added a few more version of Mortal Strike. |
| 17:34.49 | nevcairiel | I still think that if you need to min/max your raid like that, you should just know the specs of your raiders |
| 17:35.08 | Pneumatus | hmm |
| 17:35.09 | Pneumatus | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/raid_checklist.aspx |
| 17:35.10 | nevcairiel | I certainly knew which warlock was affliction and which was destro |
| 17:35.18 | nevcairiel | back in my raid leading days |
| 17:35.36 | arkanes_ | well with buffs it can get kind of complicated |
| 17:35.58 | durcyn | nevcairiel: my point exactly. you don't get to be a good raid leader by not knowing who brings what. |
| 17:36.05 | arkanes_ | especially when it comes to specs that can provide one of a set of buffs, but only 1 of them |
| 17:36.11 | durcyn | and it just got very much simpler |
| 17:36.16 | arkanes_ | quick, figure out which pet your 4 hunters need to use |
| 17:36.40 | durcyn | arkanes_: the whole point of the buff merging was that you wouldn't have to do that, exactly |
| 17:36.51 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r79 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Added one more MS. |
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| 17:37.19 | nevcairiel | I would probably like an addon where you can just drag people to the buffs/debuffs, manually build a checklist, if you must |
| 17:37.24 | nevcairiel | automatic scanning not required |
| 17:37.27 | arkanes_ | durcyn: the point is that you are more likely to be able to cover everything in a 10 man without explicitly stacking, but that doesn't mean that there's not some work to do to figure out exactly who needs to buff what |
| 17:37.50 | durcyn | arkanes_: and my point is that if you don't know, you're a shitty raid leader |
| 17:38.03 | arkanes_ | durcyn: well maybe I am |
| 17:38.23 | arkanes_ | durcyn: but I couldn't look at a 25 man raid, knowing all the specs, and figure out instantly what we have covered and what we don't |
| 17:38.24 | nevcairiel | Knowing which class brings what is one thing, keeping track of all that in a 25m raid is quite a chore. Addon support is good, but i don't think it needs to be fully automated |
| 17:38.37 | arkanes_ | durcyn: and I bet you can't either |
| 17:38.57 | nevcairiel | Just gimme a list of all potential buffs/debuffs, maybe pre-assign the ones that every spec of teh class brings |
| 17:38.58 | durcyn | arkanes_: there was a point i could've, that's why i retired =P |
| 17:39.00 | nevcairiel | and let me figure out the others |
| 17:39.06 | durcyn | arkanes_: dreaming about raid composition is a bad thing |
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| 17:39.13 | arkanes_ | you've got 3 shamans and 4 hunters and 1 paladin, who needs to drop which totems and who needs to use what pet and cast which buff? |
| 17:39.14 | nevcairiel | durcyn: i could in BC, it was really stressful |
| 17:39.16 | Joddie | back in my raid leading days, we woul sit down before the invites and actually figure out who we needed to invite to fill the buff/debuff slots |
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| 17:39.38 | arkanes_ | I think in some ways it was simpler back then |
| 17:39.42 | Joddie | we wouldnt fill the raid and then see if we by magic filled them all |
| 17:39.46 | nevcairiel | with 25 man content we could usually invite everyone and just put up a good layout in groups 1-5 |
| 17:39.52 | durcyn | but then we never had more than 33 or so on the roster, and we planned it out ahead of time and posted the roster before raids even started |
| 17:40.00 | arkanes_ | there were more buffs, and therefore more pre-allocated slots, but aside from paladins there was less trying to figure out who needed to do what |
| 17:40.03 | durcyn | so that helped a bit |
| 17:40.10 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r80 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixing some typos |
| 17:40.15 | arkanes_ | the current overwrite behavior is a hassle too |
| 17:40.38 | arkanes_ | like blood pact will remove fort, but is range limited so you want to use fort if you have it and have the lock turn off blood pact |
| 17:40.58 | nevcairiel | yeah soem of those are somewhat annoying |
| 17:41.08 | arkanes_ | reminds of back when windfury totem would overwrite my poisons :\ |
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| 17:41.26 | nevcairiel | damnit, reboot my server already |
| 17:41.40 | Parnic|Work | speaking of annoying new behavior, i really hope they allow vengeance to stack through shields |
| 17:41.57 | Parnic|Work | priests make tanks angry |
| 17:42.09 | arkanes_ | they should also cut the total amount of AP you get from vengeance in half and make it stack twice as fast |
| 17:42.13 | nevcairiel | shielding always sucked :p |
| 17:42.17 | nevcairiel | tell your priests to heal already |
| 17:42.31 | Stanzilla | shielding was fun :( |
| 17:42.44 | nevcairiel | not for a rage starved tank, it wasnt! |
| 17:42.49 | arkanes_ | piddling around 5 mans with 15ap worth of vengeance is silly |
| 17:42.51 | Parnic|Work | yeah but they fixed that |
| 17:42.56 | Parnic|Work | and then broke it again with vengeance |
| 17:43.10 | Parnic|Work | you earn rage through shields |
| 17:43.31 | nevcairiel | I would think vengeance is only really needed when you're on a boss, and bosses should kill shields pretty fast |
| 17:43.58 | arkanes_ | nevcairiel: between holy pallies and disc priests, you can easily lose half your incoming damage to shields |
| 17:43.59 | Parnic|Work | given the decreased ability to hold aoe threat, it's pretty important for veneance to help hold groups |
| 17:44.04 | durcyn | completely backwards for 80 dungeons, the mor ethreat you get on aoe trash the better |
| 17:44.08 | durcyn | more* |
| 17:44.27 | Repo | 10big-brother: 03oscarucb 043.2.0 beta 1 * r243 : (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 17:44.28 | Repo | Tagging as 3.2.0 beta 1 |
| 17:44.29 | Repo | Re-arrange buff window to reflect the New World Order of buff stackage |
| 17:44.30 | Repo | Add a resistance display to the buff window |
| 17:44.31 | Repo | Add a header row to the buff window |
| 17:44.38 | arkanes_ | avoiding an attack should reset the vengeance decay timer too |
| 17:46.04 | Parnic|Work | i want to punch someone every time they file a ticket about my mod not downloading via CC "installation failed" |
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| 17:46.12 | Parnic|Work | i'm like "press the button again..." |
| 17:46.19 | Fisker | hey Parnic|Work |
| 17:46.24 | Parnic|Work | oh jeez |
| 17:46.27 | Parnic|Work | i'm not here. shh |
| 17:46.33 | Fisker | you so are |
| 17:47.25 | Pneumatus | just got the 15 min restart timer, finally |
| 17:47.36 | Pneumatus | needs more un-om-nom-nom chars |
| 17:47.39 | Parnic|Work | whatchew want, fisker? |
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| 17:48.39 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: screw the 15min timer, restart noaw |
| 17:48.59 | Pneumatus | quite, or at least just throw up a 5 min timer rather than 15 |
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| 17:49.40 | Pneumatus | im trying to work out what pets i want to fill my hunter's stables with :< |
| 17:49.53 | nevcairiel | the 20 slots? |
| 17:50.08 | nevcairiel | get a core hound, its always fun to use when trying to annoy someone |
| 17:50.47 | Pneumatus | ill be having a corehound, of course :) |
| 17:50.47 | Slayman | so has someone compiled a list of Raidbuffs, with providers (incl. hunterpets would be fantastic) |
| 17:50.47 | Pneumatus | yeh, theres one on petopia's forums |
| 17:50.47 | durcyn | Slayman: there's a post on the wowace forums that's 95% complete |
| 17:50.52 | nevcairiel | Slayman: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=18761 |
| 17:50.59 | nevcairiel | its in the process of being assembled |
| 17:51.01 | Slayman | nevcairiel: durcyn: thx |
| 17:51.02 | Pneumatus | http://forums.wow-petopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4753 |
| 17:51.08 | arkanes_ | according to my hunter buddy you can cover all the buffs that pets can provide with 15 pets |
| 17:51.17 | Slayman | Pneumatus: get Kurken, best CH Skin ingame imho |
| 17:51.24 | arkanes_ | he got them all and spent a couple days leveling them all in heroics |
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| 17:51.39 | Pneumatus | arkanes: does that include both BM and non-BM options for when you're switching specs around? |
| 17:51.43 | arkanes_ | Pneumatus: yeah |
| 17:52.03 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.5-26-gac45b4b / (10 files in 5 directories): [+4 commits] |
| 17:52.04 | Repo | ac45b4b: Soul Shards recoded. |
| 17:52.05 | Repo | 5395d9d: Soul Shards, Combo points fix. |
| 17:52.06 | Repo | 2c607d2: unit frame directory structure change. |
| 17:52.07 | Repo | 34ddc1a: blarg |
| 17:52.20 | arkanes_ | if I remember correctly there are only 1 or 2 overlaps between BM and non BM provisions |
| 17:52.31 | Pneumatus | yeh, like wolf + corehound |
| 17:52.37 | Pneumatus | and cat + spirit beast |
| 17:52.51 | Pneumatus | not that im ever gonna get a spirit beast |
| 17:52.57 | Pneumatus | because i don't have the patience to camp one |
| 17:53.04 | nevcairiel | does that even still work? |
| 17:53.22 | Pneumatus | taming spirit beasts? |
| 17:53.57 | nevcairiel | arent those the ones that like only exist for a few seconds in the world? |
| 17:54.09 | Pneumatus | they are rare elites |
| 17:54.12 | arkanes_ | Pneumatus: wolf/devilsaur, but yeah |
| 17:54.12 | Pneumatus | so yeh, i guess :P |
| 17:54.23 | Pneumatus | sorry yeh, wolf + devilsaur |
| 17:54.29 | Ackis | @project whotip |
| 17:54.31 | Repo | Ackis: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/whotip/. WhoTip. Game: WoW. nebula169 (Manager/Author), KarlKFI (Author). Updated: 1402 days ago |
| 17:54.32 | Ackis | nevcairiel: ^ |
| 17:54.42 | nevcairiel | you found the author, eh |
| 17:54.51 | Ackis | yeah and got permission/etc |
| 17:54.54 | nebula169 | mystery solved |
| 17:54.56 | Pneumatus | also, <3 talented for pet talent trees rly |
| 17:54.57 | Ackis | found the original project |
| 17:55.14 | nevcairiel | lol 2006 |
| 17:55.49 | Pneumatus | it's only 2 major patches and god knows how many minors out of date |
| 17:55.53 | Pneumatus | what could possibly go wrong |
| 17:56.03 | nevcairiel | you mean, 2 expansions |
| 17:56.20 | Pneumatus | ok, 2 expansions and god knows how many majors then |
| 17:56.46 | nevcairiel | woo i got out of the broken instance |
| 17:56.50 | nebula169 | it actually worked until they got rid of this :p |
| 17:56.51 | nevcairiel | somehow i ended up in dalaran |
| 17:56.57 | Pneumatus | could be worse |
| 17:56.58 | nevcairiel | shutdown in 5 <.< |
| 17:57.00 | Pneumatus | you could be in westfall |
| 17:57.10 | nevcairiel | I would rather be in westfall |
| 17:57.15 | nevcairiel | its peaceful and quite there |
| 17:57.35 | nevcairiel | not bothering trying to debug the error with only 4 minutes left on the clock |
| 17:58.17 | Rokiyo | lol, some mods just don't break... cowtip was working completely right up until 4.01, despite not having been updated in about 14months |
| 17:58.22 | Pneumatus | arkanes: i think you can do all the debuffs in 11 pets, including the double-up BM/normal overlap :o |
| 17:58.22 | Rokiyo | even now, it still works |
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| 17:58.32 | Rokiyo | it's just the config screen that doesnt |
| 17:58.42 | Rokiyo | but existing configs are fine >.< |
| 17:59.05 | Rokiyo | that was re:wowtip still workin btw |
| 17:59.11 | Rokiyo | i'm not completely random :P |
| 17:59.29 | Pneumatus | oh, unless you count the CC type abilities |
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| 18:00.15 | Pneumatus | which would add another 8, i think |
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| 18:00.53 | Primer | Is there some option when creating a frame that makes it so it moves when its parent moves? |
| 18:01.13 | nebula169 | sounds dangerous |
| 18:01.14 | Primer | Or better yet, makes it so it does NOT move when its parent moves? |
| 18:01.26 | nebula169 | don't anchor it to the parent? |
| 18:01.33 | Primer | no |
| 18:01.37 | Primer | I'm not trying to DO this |
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| 18:01.51 | Primer | I'm trying to figure out why this one addon can't move this frame |
| 18:01.57 | Primer | MoveAnything being the addon |
| 18:02.13 | Primer | I've filed a bug, but the author replies "Can't reproduce" |
| 18:02.30 | Primer | and I'm trying to produce an informed response |
| 18:03.08 | arkanes_ | Primer: try "omg this addon doesn't work please fix now or i uninstall" |
| 18:03.24 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Nevcairiel 07master * v3.3-3-gc0feaff modules/druid.lua: [+1 commit] Fix Druid mana bar when in cat form. (Who the hell set this to trigger on focus instead of energy? <.<) |
| 18:03.37 | Shadowed | wat |
| 18:03.38 | arkanes_ | remember to post it as a comment on their user page, rather than as a ticket |
| 18:03.38 | Stanzilla | haha |
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| 18:03.40 | Primer | What I'm seeing is this: 3 frames, AlwaysUpFrame{1,2,3}, AlwaysUpFrame1's parent is WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame |
| 18:03.42 | Shadowed | nebula169? |
| 18:03.44 | Shadowed | er nevcairiel |
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| 18:04.03 | nevcairiel | Don't ask me! |
| 18:04.10 | Primer | His addon has an option for moving WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame, but moving it doesn't move the frames inside |
| 18:04.13 | nebula169 | me, either! |
| 18:04.16 | nevcairiel | -if( powerType == SPELL_POWER_FOCUS or powerType == SPELL_POWER_RAGE ) then |
| 18:04.16 | nevcairiel | +if( powerType == SPELL_POWER_ENERGY or powerType == SPELL_POWER_RAGE ) then |
| 18:04.19 | Repo | 10breakables: 03Parnic * r42 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 18:04.20 | Repo | - trying to figure out why settings aren't saving/loading for some users but work for me |
| 18:04.20 | nevcairiel | the diff speaks for itself :p |
| 18:04.25 | Primer | and I'm at a loss to explain it |
| 18:04.26 | Shadowed | oh |
| 18:04.32 | Shadowed | guess I typoed it when drycoding |
| 18:04.37 | nevcairiel | nice typo =P |
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| 18:04.45 | Stanzilla | wordto |
| 18:04.45 | Shadowed | I try |
| 18:05.01 | Slayman | freudian slip! |
| 18:05.29 | evl | Is there any way to get the raw gem used to create a specific cut if you only have access to the cut gem? |
| 18:05.34 | nevcairiel | maybe i should rather trigger it on the forms instead of the power type though |
| 18:05.48 | Slayman | I'm kinda glad the launcher is checking if I'm still alive and awake on clicking play |
| 18:06.19 | nevcairiel | Right now the hiding of the mana bar is a bit .. "slow" .. my eclipse bar already shows up, but the mana bar is still there for half a second |
| 18:06.22 | nevcairiel | looks somewhat weird |
| 18:07.45 | Slayman | nevcairiel: did it state how long our servers are being offline? juest restarted or sth of the likes ? |
| 18:07.52 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: you get a ping now everytime i commit something, eh? Must be somewhat annoying after a while :) |
| 18:07.59 | nevcairiel | Slayman: probably just a restart |
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| 18:08.11 | arkanes_ | evl: just take everything after the first space? |
| 18:09.08 | evl | Hmms, I guess I could. eliminating perfect ofc |
| 18:09.31 | arkanes_ | that should work for everything except the nightmare tear |
| 18:09.37 | arkanes_ | and the +6 version |
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| 18:14.59 | nevcairiel | ah screw this, going to watch some tv series until realms are back up |
| 18:15.22 | Vonhinten | the dresden files was good, while it lasted |
| 18:15.24 | Funkeh` | Antiarc, you know fixing the bosses is an easy fix right? Why haven't you commited anything to HudMap? |
| 18:15.54 | Vonhinten | leave Antiarc alone, he's building RogueThing... a much higher priority |
| 18:16.46 | Rokiyo | I asked him something similar about SexyCooldown earlier, his response was that he has been quite busy lately, and he's about to (or perhaps already has) leave for blizzcon |
| 18:17.00 | Rokiyo | the implication being that we probably wont see any updates over this weekend for his stuff |
| 18:17.15 | Stanzilla | sexycooldown was always broken :P |
| 18:17.23 | Stanzilla | especially the profiles |
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| 18:18.01 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 18:18.12 | Rokiyo | but sexycooldown is so damn... sexy |
| 18:18.37 | Rokiyo | and in this case the fixes had already been supplied on his addon comment pages anyway :p |
| 18:19.41 | Rokiyo | but yeh... don't hold your breath waiting for Antiarc, i'm sure he'll get to these things when he has time |
| 18:21.33 | Repo | 10inspectless: 03warbaby * r2 / (2 files in 1 directory): initial version, tested |
| 18:22.48 | Repo | 10inspectless: 03warbaby 040.10.21 * r3 : Tagging as 0.10.21 |
| 18:22.59 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach 07cataclysm * r2910 LootTableModules/Cataclysm/cataclysm.lua: small pet update |
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| 18:25.11 | harl | meh.. |
| 18:25.26 | harl | i'll just do the same as the one with the n, e and v letters at the left end of hir nick. |
| 18:25.55 | evl | Can't lua do (foo){2} regexp matches? |
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| 18:27.30 | steev | wow |
| 18:27.37 | steev | they *really* upped the drop rate of the HH mount |
| 18:27.43 | steev | i just got it |
| 18:27.51 | Stanzilla | HH? |
| 18:28.06 | Vonhinten | headless horseman |
| 18:28.08 | Stanzilla | ah |
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| 18:30.24 | syrae | "No Loot" |
| 18:30.58 | evl | "No loot" |
| 18:31.02 | durcyn | syrae: "this would've been bades if we hadn't just converted them and neglected to change the way we deliver the rewards to this encounter, the end" |
| 18:31.11 | durcyn | badges, rather, i need to spill less on my keyboard |
| 18:31.18 | syrae | yup :) |
| 18:31.23 | Parnic|Work | i've run it 4 times so far (alts) and gotten 1 mount and 1 broom |
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| 18:31.42 | syrae | I've run it 8 times and gotten 2 brooms |
| 18:31.51 | EthanCentaurai | that's what she said |
| 18:31.56 | syrae | hur hur |
| 18:32.08 | Parnic|Work | no, she said "ethan planted all 10 flags today" despite saying he turned it off |
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| 18:32.37 | EthanCentaurai | the flag is a lie :< |
| 18:32.49 | Parnic|Work | somebody is lying, yes! :P |
| 18:32.53 | EthanCentaurai | I DID turn it off >_> |
| 18:33.16 | Parnic|Work | i really wish my client would filter tweets based on content |
| 18:33.22 | Parnic|Work | if "4sq" appears anywhere in the tweet, i do not want to see it |
| 18:33.29 | Parnic|Work | then i'd just add fable3kingmaker to the list :P |
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| 18:33.47 | steev | if i have 2 machines |
| 18:33.51 | EthanCentaurai | I've removed the app |
| 18:33.51 | steev | and i allow it to sync |
| 18:33.58 | EthanCentaurai | if that doesn't turn it off, nothing will :p |
| 18:33.58 | Slayman | it's primetime in europe, and all servers are down, if that's not the sexymost thing ever then I don't know |
| 18:34.00 | steev | which one takes presedence? |
| 18:34.01 | Parnic|Work | lol |
| 18:34.13 | steev | i'm tired of my keybinds and such not lining up |
| 18:34.19 | Parnic|Work | steev: wrt the curse client? |
| 18:34.22 | EthanCentaurai | PS: New Twitter sucks |
| 18:34.47 | durcyn | old twitter sucked too. your point? |
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| 18:34.55 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys * r389 TradeskillInfo.toc: Added the forgotten @ in a directive |
| 18:34.59 | Ackis | EthanCentaurai: new twitter does suck |
| 18:35.10 | Ackis | EthanCentaurai: you should plant fable 3 king maker flags for me :D |
| 18:35.10 | EthanCentaurai | Dys: oops :< |
| 18:35.20 | steev | Parnic|Work: wow itself |
| 18:35.26 | steev | keybinds/macros |
| 18:35.27 | EthanCentaurai | Ackis: gief login details |
| 18:35.40 | Parnic|Work | steev: no idea, then |
| 18:35.47 | Ackis | EthanCentaurai: it's easy to do? getting them now, forgot what I registered as |
| 18:35.50 | steev | i'm assuming if i delete my WTF folder it would pull from the server, but if i didn't it would push |
| 18:36.02 | Ackis | bah need silverlight so it won't work here at work |
| 18:36.13 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.5-27-ge4b8939 unitframes/modules/shards.lua: [+1 commit] Soul Shards work! |
| 18:36.24 | Ackis | EthanCentaurai: I'll get em to you tonight if I remember :D lol some extra gold in the game would be nice to start off |
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| 18:36.31 | Parnic|Work | @describe mui |
| 18:36.32 | Repo | Parnic|Work: http://www.wowace.com/addons/mui/. mUI. Simple, Clean, Small. mUI. |
| 18:36.33 | durcyn | steev: any local changes will overwrite the server side stuff next login |
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| 18:40.22 | steev | durcyn: so delete my wtf folder then |
| 18:40.37 | durcyn | steev: just the bindings-cache |
| 18:40.45 | steev | and macro |
| 18:41.11 | Repo | 10tradeskill-info: 03Dys 04v2.0.0 * r390 : Tagging as v2.0.0: |
| 18:41.13 | Repo | This is an accumulation of user contributions since last release, combined with fixes for 4.0.1. Unlike previous releases, I will not add the full change log, as it is too long. There are no functional changes since last release - only correction of recipe information, language information, fixing changes made by Blizzard, and tidying up the code. |
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| 18:41.19 | SunTsu | yay, EU problems seem to be fixed |
| 18:41.25 | Tomoki | hi |
| 18:42.30 | SunTsu | hey Tomoki |
| 18:42.55 | Repo | 10gridbufficons: 03warbaby * r15 GridBuffIcons.lua: - update for tw locale |
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| 18:55.26 | Repo | 10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Nevcairiel 07master * v3.3-4-g4e068a5 modules/druid.lua: [+1 commit] Use shapeshift form ids to detect cat/bear instead of power types. |
| 18:57.01 | harl | needs an add-on that can automatically accept group invites by party and guild members. |
| 18:57.11 | Pneumatus | tekkaccept |
| 18:57.54 | quiescens | automatically accept group invites from party members? |
| 18:58.18 | Pneumatus | guild and friends, id assume :) |
| 18:58.29 | harl | dude.. |
| 18:58.41 | harl | of course.. |
| 18:58.47 | nevcairiel | yay i got teh horseman mount |
| 18:58.56 | quiescens | grats |
| 18:59.55 | Pneumatus | although i just stole tekaccepts code, because i didnt want the BoP confirmation stuff |
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| 19:02.21 | syrae | oh yeah! you guys would be the ones to ask. Is there a current addon that replicates tekkub's autoRep functionality (swap your rep watch bar to whatever rep you just gained the most of) |
| 19:02.57 | Pneumatus | i have a snippit that does it for me, i think |
| 19:02.59 | Pneumatus | unless something broke it |
| 19:03.04 | steev | nevcairiel: grats! |
| 19:03.23 | syrae | I just assumed Factionizer did it, but when tekAutoRep died in the patch, I no longer have it working and it makes me sad |
| 19:03.45 | quiescens | ): |
| 19:04.02 | syrae | more like D: |
| 19:04.19 | syrae | perhaps with a bit of intermittent QQ |
| 19:04.59 | syrae | depending on if I'm faction farming at the time |
| 19:05.10 | sbu | errr hmmm |
| 19:05.57 | steev | http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod-retail/NA/config_recommended_na_1.xml |
| 19:07.37 | Repo | 10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r56 ShoppingList.lua: drycoded fix to queue frame popping up |
| 19:07.48 | Pneumatus | hmm, my addon uses COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE rather than CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_FACTION_CHANGE, need to see if it actually still works |
| 19:09.29 | harl | Pneumatus: thanks for the consideration of tekAccept, but it doesn't seem to work, same as Acceptance or Automaton, although the latter one did work for me before the patch. |
| 19:09.57 | steev | bleh |
| 19:10.04 | Parnic|Work | ~seen lilsparky |
| 19:10.21 | purl | i haven't seen 'lilsparky', Parnic|Work |
| 19:10.21 | steev | it sent to the server :( |
| 19:10.50 | pompy1 | he doesnt hang out in here afaik |
| 19:11.05 | Parnic|Work | well yeah but purl is in a lot of channels |
| 19:11.56 | Ackis | he doesn't do IRC iirc, I've always talked to him via wowace forum PM |
| 19:14.07 | Pneumatus | fail pet taming |
| 19:14.08 | Pneumatus | [20:13:30] Unknown has reached [Level 77]! |
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| 19:20.14 | Joddie | hm.. I have an automaton that works with 4.0.1, it was only a one-liner that made it not work... should I submit the fix maybe perhaps? |
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| 19:22.31 | sylvanaar_work | is the repo open? |
| 19:22.51 | Joddie | yes |
| 19:23.16 | sylvanaar_work | and using a non-restrictive license like MIT |
| 19:23.40 | steev | that should cull the whiners |
| 19:24.16 | Joddie | sylvanaar_work: hm.. it appears not, says all rights reserved |
| 19:24.23 | sylvanaar_work | uh oh |
| 19:24.43 | Joddie | guess I have to try to contact weab first then? |
| 19:24.48 | nevcairiel | if its a repo, and its open, and its like a one line fix, just commit it already |
| 19:24.58 | sylvanaar_work | thats a grey area - open repo no distribution rights |
| 19:25.14 | quiescens | flip a coin |
| 19:25.23 | Parnic|Work | i flipped one. it says go for it. |
| 19:25.29 | sylvanaar_work | do it |
| 19:25.32 | Megalon | choke a chicken |
| 19:25.46 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't hesitate to fix some addon |
| 19:25.51 | quiescens | flipping a coin solves all manner of moral dillemas |
| 19:25.53 | Joddie | kay... while I do that, can someone tell me how this lock this 52k dps on marrowgar? http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/2wblyh7t5i9t7ulr/sum/damageDone/?s=1378&e=1424#Gizoogle |
| 19:25.58 | steev | nevcairiel: then fix engraved! |
| 19:26.18 | nevcairiel | I mean, we've always said WoWAce is more of a community, if you don't want your stuff fixed, don't set the repo to open |
| 19:26.34 | nevcairiel | (or don't come here) |
| 19:26.41 | nevcairiel | its not like it requires serious rewrites |
| 19:26.44 | steev | the f |
| 19:26.51 | quiescens | dilemmas* |
| 19:27.06 | steev | Joddie: private server? |
| 19:27.17 | thelibrarian | beta, level 85? |
| 19:27.22 | Joddie | no, live raid on Kul Tiras EU |
| 19:27.28 | thelibrarian | or modified combat log |
| 19:27.31 | nevcairiel | Joddie: how does the moonkin to 49k :P |
| 19:27.34 | sylvanaar_work | i agree - open repo means free to commit |
| 19:27.39 | sylvanaar_work | does it use ace2 |
| 19:27.45 | thelibrarian | the lowest dps is 32k, that doesn't seem right |
| 19:27.51 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar_work: yes |
| 19:27.53 | quiescens | laserchickens~! |
| 19:28.01 | nevcairiel | its old :p |
| 19:28.05 | Joddie | I have no idea, I'm thinking something must be wrong with wol, fight took 50s or so |
| 19:28.07 | quiescens | pew pew |
| 19:28.13 | Pneumatus | more like if you don't want your stuff messed up by translators don't set it open |
| 19:28.24 | nevcairiel | or use the translation thingy |
| 19:28.41 | nevcairiel | (which doesnt work well if you're not causing repacks anymore, ha!) |
| 19:29.01 | Pneumatus | which is a failing of the subscription system |
| 19:29.15 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt repack my addon just for translations anyway |
| 19:29.22 | nevcairiel | they can wait until i fix something :p |
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| 19:29.24 | *** mode/#wowace [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:29.47 | VonhintenHOME` | Joddie, then how is there boss fights for bosses that don't exist in Live? Baltherus the Warborn |
| 19:29.50 | steev | Joddie: warlock doesn't show up in armory |
| 19:30.22 | Joddie | yeah I havent checked the details of the log, but that might be the answer, I was busy trying to set up git myself when someone sent me the link |
| 19:30.52 | steev | VonhintenHOME`: he's the first "boss" in RS |
| 19:31.03 | VonhintenHOME` | oh, is it? |
| 19:31.26 | VonhintenHOME` | guess I never paid attention to their names |
| 19:31.48 | steev | http://eu.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchType=all&searchQuery=Resurrected&selectedTab=guilds |
| 19:31.56 | Joddie | so... since I've always used SVN, where the meep do I set up my username in git? |
| 19:32.24 | steev | they have 0 members? |
| 19:32.31 | Joddie | probably where it says username.. I'll shut up now:P |
| 19:32.58 | EthanCentaurai | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/kitty_pet |
| 19:33.02 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 07master * v1.10.20a-9-gf542724 / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] add comments for spell-ids and update changelog |
| 19:33.27 | Gnarfoz | Joddie: tampered log |
| 19:34.02 | Gnarfoz | unless blizzard patched out this tiny little thing called cast time: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/2wblyh7t5i9t7ulr/xe/?s=1378&e=1424&x=sourcename+%3D+%22Gizoogle%22+and+type%3DTYPE_DAMAGE |
| 19:34.08 | Aeyan | Haha |
| 19:34.18 | Aeyan | Endure the pain and DO NOT stop petting your kitty. |
| 19:34.22 | thelibrarian | either modified log or some serious sploiting |
| 19:34.27 | thelibrarian | the mage is landing fireballs half a second apart |
| 19:34.35 | Joddie | lol, yeah so I see :o |
| 19:34.35 | Parnic|Work | wow, curse comment emails are extremely delayed |
| 19:34.42 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03kagaro * r81 BloodShieldTracker.lua: |
| 19:34.43 | Repo | Updated mortal strike listm removed a few that failed to lookup |
| 19:35.07 | steev | kagaro: say what? |
| 19:35.17 | Gnarfoz | yep, warlock: 3x incinerate in under 0.7s |
| 19:35.35 | sylvanaar_work | i want RSS feeds for everything |
| 19:35.36 | nevcairiel | squished the tiemstamps, eh |
| 19:35.41 | sylvanaar_work | so i can burn them |
| 19:35.43 | Gnarfoz | Shadow Bolt is even worse :D |
| 19:36.22 | steev | i think shockadin might be viable again |
| 19:36.32 | Joddie | well enought about faulty logs.. I commited my change to automaton shouldnt repo be saying that I commited it about now? |
| 19:36.44 | Gnarfoz | @project automaton |
| 19:36.45 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/automaton/. Automaton. Game: WoW. weab (Manager/Author), gxxam (Author). Updated: 254 days ago. Tickets: 8/12 |
| 19:36.51 | kagaro | steev: blood shield tracker has a list of mortal strike spell ids there was a few tpyos int he spell id numbers |
| 19:37.07 | steev | ahh |
| 19:37.15 | Pneumatus | irony |
| 19:37.20 | Pneumatus | tpyos ftw |
| 19:37.22 | steev | i love that addon when i'm tanking |
| 19:37.22 | thelibrarian | did you push your changes Joddie? |
| 19:37.27 | sylvanaar_work | it might not have reporting on |
| 19:37.34 | steev | after you commit, you have to push |
| 19:37.37 | sylvanaar_work | or yeah - you didnt push |
| 19:37.40 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's git |
| 19:37.43 | Gnarfoz | push it :D |
| 19:37.48 | thelibrarian | git just commits to your local clone until you push |
| 19:37.50 | Funkeh` | Did they remove the ability to turn the clock off from the interface options |
| 19:37.51 | Joddie | wth.. so commit isnt enough of a push? |
| 19:37.58 | steev | pushes Gnarfoz |
| 19:37.59 | Joddie | *grumbles bad words* |
| 19:38.00 | thelibrarian | you did commit -- to your repo |
| 19:38.04 | thelibrarian | not to the wowace one |
| 19:38.09 | thelibrarian | git is distributed |
| 19:38.11 | durcyn | it's mean tto be distributed, changesets aren't automatically propagated anywhere |
| 19:38.16 | steev | Joddie: it allows you to do incremental work, and then when you verify it works, you can push it all at once |
| 19:38.26 | Repo | 10parrot: 03profalbert 04v1.10.21 * 9d579cf /: [new tag] tag as v1.10.21 |
| 19:38.32 | sylvanaar_work | its sorta like svnsync |
| 19:38.34 | Gnarfoz | or, the short version: git is different. :D |
| 19:38.43 | thelibrarian | and better |
| 19:38.45 | thelibrarian | and little and yellow |
| 19:38.49 | sylvanaar_work | you gotta get your changes to the other repo |
| 19:38.53 | durcyn | git: nupe it. |
| 19:38.55 | Parnic|Work | "and better" <- subjective :P |
| 19:39.02 | thelibrarian | very but couldn't resist :P |
| 19:39.03 | sylvanaar_work | i like Hg |
| 19:39.09 | steev | i bet Parnic|Work likes bazaar |
| 19:39.13 | Joddie | yeah I got that now... any easy place to learn about pushing or should I start readying help files? |
| 19:39.14 | Parnic|Work | screw that |
| 19:39.17 | Parnic|Work | i like perforce! :P |
| 19:39.22 | steev | rofl |
| 19:39.24 | thelibrarian | "git push" |
| 19:39.26 | nevcairiel | "git push". done |
| 19:39.28 | thelibrarian | unless you're using a gui, then I'm not sure |
| 19:39.30 | durcyn | Joddie: if you've cloned a remote, then the refspec's already set |
| 19:39.34 | durcyn | just push. |
| 19:39.41 | steev | or git push origin/master |
| 19:39.42 | nevcairiel | also, google "git for svn users" |
| 19:39.45 | steev | some such |
| 19:39.45 | sylvanaar_work | Joddie: get TortoiseGit |
| 19:39.47 | Joddie | tortoise Hg on windows btw |
| 19:39.56 | Parnic|Work | hg is mercurial |
| 19:39.56 | sylvanaar_work | or better get TortoiseHg |
| 19:40.01 | Parnic|Work | isn't it? |
| 19:40.06 | steev | yes |
| 19:40.08 | sylvanaar_work | and read my FAQ's |
| 19:40.13 | steev | but tortoise is wack |
| 19:40.21 | durcyn | i dunno, parnic, what's the periodic symbol for Mercury, HMMM? |
| 19:40.25 | steev | like tortoisesvn working with cvs |
| 19:40.33 | Parnic|Work | just making conversation DURCYN! |
| 19:40.39 | sylvanaar_work | http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/tortoise-hg-as-a-git-client/ |
| 19:40.43 | thelibrarian | rcs 4eva |
| 19:40.44 | Parnic|Work | tortoisegit is so crappy |
| 19:40.47 | sylvanaar_work | http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/tortoise-hg-as-an-svn-client/ |
| 19:40.53 | steev | git as a $everything client |
| 19:41.04 | sylvanaar_work | tortoisegit is crap |
| 19:41.15 | thelibrarian | i've yet to find a decent git gui client |
| 19:41.20 | thelibrarian | fortunately the command line works just fine |
| 19:41.20 | Joddie | yeah, your "clone a rep" guide is outdated, you dont have to push cancel when you're done btw |
| 19:41.20 | sylvanaar_work | i really wanted to like it |
| 19:41.28 | steev | soz, i'm one of those nutjobs that uses git from the commandline |
| 19:41.29 | sylvanaar_work | yes you do |
| 19:41.32 | durcyn | you're all nutters for wanting gui scm clients in the first place |
| 19:41.33 | nevcairiel | git CLI, ftw! |
| 19:41.36 | sylvanaar_work | i still do |
| 19:41.36 | arkanes_ | so if want to do a green/red overlay over an icon, whats the appropriate UI object for that? |
| 19:41.38 | steev | thelibrarian: i like giggle just for looking at patchsets |
| 19:41.42 | Joddie | you do? cause mine just closed when it was done |
| 19:41.43 | profalbert | git-guis are nice for viewing history and stuff |
| 19:41.46 | nevcairiel | I've not seen any GUI for a dvcs that actually worked well |
| 19:41.53 | sylvanaar_work | must be really new then |
| 19:42.16 | sylvanaar_work | TortoiseHg works great nev |
| 19:42.21 | thelibrarian | steev, profalbert: yeah, there are some decent for viewing. never found a good one for cloning / editing / committing / pushing / merging |
| 19:42.25 | sylvanaar_work | its a bit scattered |
| 19:42.30 | thelibrarian | mostly because git is so versatile there's a dozen ways to do anything |
| 19:42.31 | Parnic|Work | which is why p4 is win |
| 19:42.31 | steev | editing? |
| 19:42.40 | steev | just work inside vim |
| 19:42.59 | steev | Parnic|Work: real men sneakernet |
| 19:43.00 | thelibrarian | not the actual editor, like diffing against the index or adding things to the index and such |
| 19:43.11 | steev | BACK IN MY DAY WE SHARED PUNCH CARDS |
| 19:43.12 | arkanes_ | I think perforce is pretty horrible for almost everything |
| 19:43.25 | Parnic|Work | i really like it |
| 19:43.27 | thelibrarian | a lot of the git gui's i've looked at try to work like svn does and just directly commit any changes without staging them first |
| 19:43.29 | arkanes_ | the problem being that the few things its any good at, everything else is terrible at |
| 19:43.31 | steev | pokemon ain't got nothin on us |
| 19:43.45 | Joddie | and that link doesnt tell me about pushing, but it's neatly hidden in the "synchronize" gui |
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| 19:43.58 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: I've basically never heard anything convincing about p4 that wasn't "we have 4tb of art assets to version" |
| 19:44.07 | thelibrarian | the one thing I've found that git is really bad at is large binary files |
| 19:44.07 | sylvanaar_work | yes it doesnt explain how to use it |
| 19:44.24 | sylvanaar_work | its just explains how to use it for SVN and Git |
| 19:44.39 | Joddie | rest of the guide was nice and to the point though, so thumbs up for that one |
| 19:44.39 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: when you're working with all kinds of people (artists, designers, coders, etc.) on a full team then something like git that requires everyone to maintain 2 repos or push/pull manually sucks |
| 19:44.50 | Parnic|Work | and svn sucks for branching and merging |
| 19:44.59 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: I like bzr support fo rthat |
| 19:45.05 | Parnic|Work | p4 has great guis and a centralized depot for everyone to commit to |
| 19:45.12 | Parnic|Work | branching and merging are a breeze |
| 19:45.18 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: where you can do a checkout that gives you an SVN-like working copy, or a local clone |
| 19:45.51 | Parnic|Work | and ever since the latest few p4 server versions added 'shelving' it's been really awesome for collaborative staging-type checkins that people can review |
| 19:46.03 | arkanes_ | we use TFS at work and its horrible |
| 19:46.07 | Parnic|Work | so i've heard |
| 19:46.11 | sylvanaar_work | honestly we dont branch or merge much around here these days |
| 19:46.11 | VonhintenHOME` | I have no problem with TFS |
| 19:46.14 | VonhintenHOME` | I like it alot |
| 19:46.17 | thelibrarian | the two repo thing is really just a terminology different though. svn already stores a duplicate copy, so "git pull" = "svn update" and "git push" = "svn commit" |
| 19:46.20 | Parnic|Work | friend of mine uses clearcase and hates it too |
| 19:46.23 | arkanes_ | I find shelving to be incredibly anemic compared to branches or patchsets |
| 19:46.31 | thelibrarian | wow I'm typing horribly today |
| 19:46.43 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: not really, git has 4 distinct layers where SVN has only 2 |
| 19:46.49 | Parnic|Work | thelibrarian: dvcs systems are awesome for programmers. as soon as you introduce people that are less technically-inclined, that stuff becomes a huge headache |
| 19:46.51 | Repo | 10handy-notes_vendors: 03zarevak 04v1.4.0 Release * r79 : Tagging as v1.4.0 Release. |
| 19:46.52 | Repo | Compatible with WoW 4.0.1 |
| 19:47.02 | VonhintenHOME` | why would you try to use a shelf as a branch? |
| 19:47.02 | sylvanaar_work | shelving is just a quick and dirty branch |
| 19:47.05 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: shelving is a million times easier than branching for small changes :) |
| 19:47.11 | Talryn | I haven't had to deal with the ticket tracker yet but I have a bug report for an alpha version so I just want to reject it. I never said alpha versions would work. |
| 19:47.29 | Parnic|Work | talryn: "mark as invalid" or declined if you don't want to do anything about it |
| 19:47.30 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: there's no reason it should be though |
| 19:47.30 | Talryn | What does Invalid vs Declined do? |
| 19:47.35 | Parnic|Work | nothing |
| 19:47.41 | thelibrarian | arkanes_: but 3 of those can be merged into one step. make a "commit" alias that does "git commit -a && git push" and it works just like svn |
| 19:47.45 | Parnic|Work | just labels the ticket as one or the other |
| 19:47.45 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: branching is only expensive when your VCS decides that it's supposed to be |
| 19:47.58 | thelibrarian | the extra layers are nice if you want to use them, but you don't have to |
| 19:48.21 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: fair enough, but IMO shelving represents something totally different from branching |
| 19:48.45 | Parnic|Work | shelving says "i want to move this small changelist between computers" or put it up for review. whereas branching says "we want to work on a whole different version of this project collaboratively" |
| 19:48.49 | thelibrarian | does p4 shelving work like git stash? |
| 19:48.57 | Parnic|Work | i haven't used git stash |
| 19:48.59 | thelibrarian | just a temporary local branch to store local changes while you do a merge |
| 19:49.06 | thelibrarian | then reapply them after |
| 19:49.13 | VonhintenHOME` | or "I have some crap code here that I don't want to commit to a branch, store it for now" |
| 19:49.25 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: that's really just applying a semantic meaning, though, there's no important difference between the actions |
| 19:49.26 | Parnic|Work | then probably not. shelving is on a per-changeset basis. so you can't just shelve a bunch of individual sets of changes |
| 19:49.53 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: agreed. just saying it helps us to have that divide be present to separate and define workflow |
| 19:50.06 | VonhintenHOME` | you can still associate it with a work item to track shelvesets |
| 19:50.31 | Parnic|Work | also talryn: nobody ever comes back to check up on their tickets, so it doesn't matter much :P |
| 19:50.41 | Talryn | Hehe, maybe so |
| 19:51.29 | arkanes_ | VonhintenHOME`: my big problems with TFS are its anemic features set, horrible tooling that ends up causing data loss, and it's truly amateur hour merge algorithms |
| 19:51.34 | steev | does curseforge work like wowace? |
| 19:51.53 | Repo | 10pestcontrol: 03Jabouty * r26 Critters.txt: |
| 19:51.54 | nevcairiel | pretty much, yes |
| 19:51.55 | arkanes_ | it's really irritating when it just drops files out of the repo for no reasons |
| 19:51.55 | Repo | Updated Critter list for new Cataclysm critters and their associated HEX values. |
| 19:51.56 | Parnic|Work | steev: yes but curseforge defaults private/closed and wowace defaults open |
| 19:52.02 | VonhintenHOME` | arkanes_, haven't experienced any of that, especially not the data loss |
| 19:52.25 | arkanes_ | VonhintenHOME`: it happens to us on a pretty regular basis, it'll just decide that some of our binary files aren't in the repo anymore |
| 19:52.33 | VonhintenHOME` | wtf |
| 19:52.34 | thelibrarian | curseforge is wowace with a black background and no irc channel |
| 19:52.45 | Parnic|Work | #curseforge ? :P |
| 19:52.49 | arkanes_ | VonhintenHOME`: it appears to be related to the clients, not the server because when you re-add them the history comes back, but it's a giant pain |
| 19:53.07 | steev | bah, Private |
| 19:53.17 | steev | and subversion to boot |
| 19:53.22 | VonhintenHOME` | We don't store lots of binaries in the repo, to be honest, we use network storage |
| 19:53.27 | Fisker | so we finally got HQ vods Megalon |
| 19:53.31 | Fisker | except their bandwitdh fucking sucks |
| 19:53.49 | arkanes_ | we store all our third party dependencies as binaries in our repo |
| 19:53.59 | harl | meh.. why does my wow crash now every time i join or leave a dungeon (group). it didn't do that before today. :( |
| 19:54.04 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, third party we do, but they're small binaries.. never seen it drop any of them |
| 19:54.15 | arkanes_ | yeah ours are all small |
| 19:54.31 | arkanes_ | we've got maybe a couple or 3 dozen of them |
| 19:54.41 | VonhintenHOME` | we've got a lot more than that |
| 19:55.24 | arkanes_ | the fact that it won't let you merge branches that you didn't branch off the same root is irritating too |
| 19:56.00 | sylvanaar_work | you can always merge - just not keep history |
| 19:56.10 | arkanes_ | plus the easily-confused metadata about what files you changed and which you didn't, not to mention "check out for edit" which makes using it without IDE integration an exercise in frustration |
| 19:56.13 | nebula169 | copy copy copy |
| 19:56.23 | arkanes_ | sylvanaar_work: you have to drop to the command line to do a baseless merge |
| 19:56.39 | Fisker | LOL WOMEN Megalon |
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| 19:56.57 | arkanes_ | and without history it'll screw up the merge tracking and the merge algorithm does an even worse job than normal |
| 19:56.58 | sylvanaar_work | no just check out, merge and check in |
| 19:57.14 | arkanes_ | sylvanaar_work: you can't do that without specifying baseless |
| 19:57.36 | sylvanaar_work | how would it know the difference between that and a code change |
| 19:57.38 | arkanes_ | unless both branches came from the same root |
| 19:58.03 | thelibrarian | SVN+NullFS is the way to go |
| 19:58.08 | thelibrarian | revs check in, but they don't check out... |
| 19:59.14 | arkanes_ | sylvanaar_work: TFS merge is already really bad at figuring out whether it should delete a block, add it, or leave it alone and when it doesn't have the branch history it's even worse |
| 19:59.59 | sylvanaar_work | i still use VSS, and we just dont use branching at all - if you avoid branching merging works great |
| 20:00.23 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 06mounted_cata 07Mounted3 * v2.2.6-4-g6a69338 / (17 files in 5 directories): [+1 commit] Initial steps to creating a decent UI(creating my own widget factory so that the actual UI layout part is easy and not poluted with frame creation code) the Scripting frame is done UI wise needs code to drive it |
| 20:00.27 | krka | heh |
| 20:00.29 | sylvanaar_work | conflict merging |
| 20:00.47 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r402 Buffs.lua: RaidBuffStatus: |
| 20:00.49 | Repo | - Added Blood Pact in the check for Fortitude as currently it cancels the latter. |
| 20:00.50 | Repo | - Added Blessing of Kings in the Mark of the Wild check as they are the same. |
| 20:00.50 | Repo | - Started adding Paladin blessings back in but ran out of time. |
| 20:01.25 | arkanes_ | sylvanaar_work: that's fine if you don't have very many developers and don't worry about having an accurate history of your work |
| 20:01.29 | krka | if everyone locked files before editing, merging would work even greater! |
| 20:01.33 | arkanes_ | or if you don't care about having a working trunk |
| 20:01.49 | Repo | 10mui: 03Xocide 07master * v0.5-28-g8eb2e57 unitframes/modules (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Holy Power working |
| 20:01.52 | sylvanaar_work | we dont have alot of developers |
| 20:02.01 | arkanes_ | well we don't either, but we do care about history |
| 20:02.16 | Slayman | on a completely unrelated note: Just like that I became a fan of FPS-Doug, he's not a noob! |
| 20:02.33 | arkanes_ | if everyone commits to trunk, you either have to say that trunk isn't stable, or people have to be conservative about checking in |
| 20:02.47 | sylvanaar_work | thats how we do it |
| 20:02.48 | arkanes_ | which incidentally is where the motivation for shelving comes in, because they're like branches |
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| 20:03.08 | sylvanaar_work | we use trunk commits plus a CI server |
| 20:03.23 | arkanes_ | the problem is is that if people are being conservative about checking in, you aren't really using your VCS. At that point you may as well just keep the source on a network share. |
| 20:03.33 | Slayman | night y'all ! |
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| 20:04.09 | sylvanaar_work | we do that too, using what is it called - shadow copies |
| 20:04.17 | arkanes_ | we do all our work on branches, and the only commits to trunk are merges from branches |
| 20:05.12 | sylvanaar_work | i dont like that style of development, its tedious |
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| 20:06.39 | arkanes_ | it's not really |
| 20:06.52 | arkanes_ | the only thing that makes it so is poor tooling |
| 20:07.05 | krka | it's tedious with crappy tools, like subversion |
| 20:07.15 | krka | fine in git and probably hg too |
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| 20:08.36 | sylvanaar_work | well in git and hg you can use separate repositories |
| 20:08.46 | sylvanaar_work | which is even better |
| 20:09.59 | steev | s/can/should/ |
| 20:10.06 | sylvanaar_work | right |
| 20:10.28 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.0.4-11-gc360355 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 20:10.28 | Repo | c360355: Added the custom string to "Glyph of Mage Armor" to mention it's bugged for the latest build 4.0.1 ...... If anyone knows of other recipes currently bugged in wow 4.0.1 .. please report them :). Thanks. |
| 20:10.29 | Repo | 94b4c6b: Add a new custom string |
| 20:11.10 | EthanCentaurai | pompy1: everything is bugged in 4.0.1 :p |
| 20:11.16 | pompy1 | EthanCentaurai: heh |
| 20:11.21 | arkanes_ | pompy1: long word |
| 20:11.27 | EthanCentaurai | is long |
| 20:11.38 | arkanes_ | is bugged :P |
| 20:11.52 | pompy1 | arkanes_: hmm? |
| 20:12.31 | arkanes_ | pompy1: glyph of the long word is bugged & unavailable |
| 20:13.07 | arkanes_ | I think there's one more |
| 20:14.02 | pompy1 | arkanes_: ah thats not even in the db :O .. hm kk |
| 20:14.24 | arkanes_ | pompy1: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27189091703/inscription-issue-with-4-0-1/ |
| 20:15.07 | pompy1 | "The others have been found through discovery as far as we know." hmm |
| 20:16.43 | Megalon | but we have no logs, so I can't check that, sorry guiZ |
| 20:17.14 | steev | what is long word |
| 20:17.32 | VonhintenHOME` | what is short word |
| 20:17.53 | steev | a |
| 20:18.16 | Parnic|Work | http://www.wowhead.com/item=66918 |
| 20:19.06 | thelibrarian | problem is there's no profression spell that actually creates it. they should just hotfix in a vendor :P |
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| 20:20.42 | EthanCentaurai | Glyph of Long Word: turns your "FUCK!" expression into "FFFUUUUUUUUUUU-" |
| 20:21.07 | thelibrarian | that would match up nicely with how I misread the commit message a while ago: "Glyph of Nerd Rage Armor" |
| 20:21.11 | VonhintenHOME` | I need Glyph of Long Schlong |
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| 20:22.25 | VonhintenHOME` | So does this guy ^^ |
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| 20:23.37 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0: 03yssaril * r31 LibMounts-1.0/LibMounts-1.0.lua: made constants consistent |
| 20:23.38 | Repo | added optional table parameter to GerMountList will populate that instead of creating a new one when specified |
| 20:24.14 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.0.4-12-g9812714 Database/Inscription.lua: [+1 commit] ran DumpProfession("inscription") to update the inscription database since a lot of glyphs were removed/replaced/renamed .. Hopefully this doesn't cause any issues. |
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| 20:28.18 | VonhintenHOME` | Is the latest mirc still nagware but let you keep using it? |
| 20:29.49 | Repo | 10libmounts-1-0: 03yssaril * r32 LibMounts-1.0/LibMounts-1.0.lua: oops forgot to update the table |
| 20:30.25 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r82 BloodShieldTracker.lua: More healing debuff code fixes. |
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| 20:31.57 | Repo | 10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * 2.0.4-13-g2fed6c2 Database/Inscription.lua: [+1 commit] Added the new "Glyph of Living Bomb" |
| 20:32.31 | Aeyan | I thought so, but it actually locked me out after around a year of using 6.35, hehe |
| 20:33.02 | Amadeo | Simple and efficient enemy cast bar addon? |
| 20:34.47 | mitchnull | target or any enemy? |
| 20:35.05 | Amadeo | target would be good I guess |
| 20:35.38 | arkanes_ | Amadeo: pretty much all the unit frames including blizzards have that option |
| 20:36.57 | Amadeo | yeah that's what I thought, let me check this again |
| 20:37.13 | mitchnull | also castbars (the addon), and quartz |
| 20:37.36 | mitchnull | although quartz does too much imo |
| 20:37.48 | mitchnull | might've gotten slimmer during the ace3 rewrite though |
| 20:39.34 | durcyn | the only thing remotely bloaty in quartz is the buff/debuff bars, and that's not exactly heavy |
| 20:39.51 | Yssaril | and can be turned off quite easily |
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| 20:42.01 | Repo | 10pestcontrol: 03Jabouty * r27 / (2 files in 1 directory): No Longer Needed. |
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| 20:42.21 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r104 / (9 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
| 20:42.40 | Repo | 10pestcontrol: 03Jabouty * r28 / (5 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:42.42 | Repo | This is not a usable commit. Using to transport current changes to home workstation. |
| 20:42.45 | Repo | 10autoprofity: 03Grayal * r6 Proficiency.lua: prepare for cata |
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| 20:43.24 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r177 / (3 files in 3 directories): -bump up maximum font size |
| 20:43.27 | Repo | -add an option to scale the text frame |
| 20:44.14 | Repo | 10pestcontrol: 03Jabouty 072.1.0 * r29 : Removing branch due to utilizing this on the working copy. |
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| 20:44.52 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: imba still can't find rets in our groups : |
| 20:44.55 | Stanzilla | :( |
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| 20:46.46 | Axodious | blargh |
| 20:46.49 | vhaarr | okay I will check maybe I got the bits wrong for ret |
| 20:46.54 | Repo | 10pestcontrol: 03Jabouty * r30 PestControl.lua: |
| 20:46.55 | Axodious | stupid cheap keychain loop on my authenticator broke |
| 20:46.55 | Repo | This is not a usable commit. Using to transport current changes to home workstation. |
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| 20:49.20 | Joddie | TortoiseHg is evil |
| 20:51.21 | Joddie | and git refuse to work out of the box because my username had non-ascii chars in it. So it pushed my changes as user unknown. |
| 20:52.15 | thelibrarian | non-ascii or non-utf8? I see entries in the commit log that non-ascii names in them |
| 20:52.22 | thelibrarian | *with |
| 20:52.48 | Joddie | it's the character Ø, pretty sure it's a part of utf-8 |
| 20:53.07 | Humbedooh | uh oh |
| 20:53.14 | Humbedooh | it's a dane! or a norwegian! |
| 20:53.34 | Joddie | I kept trying to tell git that my username was joddie, and that was the author of the commit, but it kind of refused to listen and I got tired of fighting |
| 20:53.50 | Humbedooh | hm what error does it throw at you? |
| 20:53.53 | thelibrarian | just thinking maybe your client isn't encoding it right. |
| 20:54.01 | thelibrarian | normally you just edit it in .gitconfig |
| 20:54.21 | Joddie | yeah probably, I did a git commit --amend --author="joddie" |
| 20:54.26 | arkanes_ | Joddie: if you were using the windows command line version of git, what you typed wouldn't have been utf-8 |
| 20:54.38 | arkanes_ | unless you Took Steps |
| 20:55.12 | Joddie | arkanes_: it's the cygwin git bash command line, and it tried to set my HOME folder to my windows username, thats where it started to go wrong |
| 20:55.21 | thelibrarian | a windows client might try to use codepage-1252 or something instead |
| 20:55.44 | arkanes_ | as far as I know cygwins shell will still be cp-1252 by default |
| 20:55.48 | Joddie | then it assumed my win username was the author for the commit, which I didnt know it did, so I tried to ammend it after using some git --config commands |
| 20:56.02 | Joddie | yes it probably is |
| 20:56.13 | arkanes_ | git theoretically could detect and convert that to utf8 correctly, but it's the sort of thing that often doesn't get done |
| 20:57.42 | Joddie | I bet it works flawless on linux. it oozes all over git that it was never built for windows. |
| 20:58.09 | arkanes_ | Joddie: it'd depend on what shell you are using |
| 20:58.19 | arkanes_ | er, not shell, but terminal emulator |
| 20:59.05 | arkanes_ | most of the ones on most mainstream versions of linux will default to utf8 and will correctly set environment variables indicating that, but broken ones are not entirely uncommon |
| 20:59.38 | thelibrarian | there you go Joddie, fixed it for you :) |
| 21:00.07 | Joddie | thelibrarian: thanks, but... what did you do? :P |
| 21:00.31 | thelibrarian | a little repo surgery. figured it was safe since nobody else should have cloned or sycned to it since your push |
| 21:00.47 | thelibrarian | do a "git remote update" |
| 21:00.57 | thelibrarian | then "git reset --hard origin/master" |
| 21:01.04 | thelibrarian | and when you look at the log it should have your name now as the committer |
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| 21:02.31 | Joddie | ah |
| 21:03.12 | VonhintenHOME` | So... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38028/CataTankComparison.png |
| 21:03.21 | Axodious | inc druid nerf |
| 21:03.25 | VonhintenHOME` | Is it just me, or does it look like druid tanks needs a wee nerf |
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| 21:04.16 | Axodious | p.s. still waiting for that last minute prot paladin revamp cause they still aren't happy with the rotation |
| 21:04.17 | Axodious | :p |
| 21:04.43 | thelibrarian | I see pallies are still at 100% block despite all the changes |
| 21:04.51 | Axodious | yep |
| 21:05.13 | Axodious | one of 2 of the reasons that i think they'll do it |
| 21:05.24 | thelibrarian | guess that makes prot mastery (increaseing block chance) kinda...useless |
| 21:05.26 | Axodious | that and the rotation is still 9x9 |
| 21:05.31 | Axodious | nono |
| 21:05.41 | Axodious | you balance the mastery with the dr from parry/dodge |
| 21:05.53 | Yssaril | VonhintenHOME`: why is there no Dodge for DK's? |
| 21:05.55 | Axodious | when you reach a certain point of parry dodge you start reforging mastery |
| 21:06.02 | thelibrarian | DKs take it like a man |
| 21:06.08 | Axodious | you need the mastery + holy shield to reach 102. |
| 21:06.12 | Axodious | 4 |
| 21:06.14 | VonhintenHOME` | Yssaril, that's a good damn question |
| 21:06.18 | thelibrarian | but really I have no idea, that is weird Yssaril |
| 21:06.32 | Yssaril | flawed comarison is flawed :) |
| 21:07.01 | Yssaril | also it needs to take into account procs that heal the tanks when it takes dmg |
| 21:07.32 | Yssaril | yes DK's might take more dmg but they also heal themsefes doing so at times |
| 21:07.46 | Axodious | this is just physical |
| 21:07.48 | thelibrarian | prot warriors have some self healing now, too. probably not as much as DKs but more than before |
| 21:07.52 | Axodious | heals are another story |
| 21:07.55 | Axodious | so do paladins |
| 21:08.00 | Axodious | and druids |
| 21:08.25 | Axodious | i believe healing goes DK > paladin (if talented) > war > druid > paladin (not talented) |
| 21:08.33 | Yssaril | yea am just saying that comparison doesn't really tell us who needs more healing (ie who is the better tank) |
| 21:08.35 | thelibrarian | yeah, I was aoe tanking on my pally with a silly protector of the innocent spec and casting word of glory on random party members for self heals and aoe threat :P |
| 21:08.53 | thelibrarian | (or self if I needed a bigger heal) |
| 21:09.07 | Axodious | not to mention the shield |
| 21:09.14 | Axodious | which is op for instances imo |
| 21:09.40 | VonhintenHOME` | That image is all kinds of suspicious |
| 21:10.23 | Axodious | they should include a paladin ot in that imo |
| 21:10.26 | Axodious | with a wog spec |
| 21:11.02 | Yssaril | VonhintenHOME`: where is that img from? |
| 21:11.33 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno, I asked for that info from a guildie, all I got was the link |
| 21:12.03 | thelibrarian | I still think wog + poti + removal of inherent threat reduction from pally heals + 200% threat from RF is a little ridiculous |
| 21:12.20 | VonhintenHOME` | looks like maybe: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t107144-wotlk_4_0_bear_discussion/p2/ |
| 21:12.21 | Axodious | reminds me of felmyst tanking |
| 21:12.22 | Axodious | :D |
| 21:12.42 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r83 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Fixing mistake on predicted heal value. |
| 21:12.55 | thelibrarian | feral offtanking blood queen is still the best |
| 21:13.06 | thelibrarian | *open Bejeweled* |
| 21:13.10 | Axodious | lol |
| 21:13.42 | Axodious | is it just me or is there a lot of cds missing from the dk too |
| 21:14.07 | VonhintenHOME` | Actually, this might be the original: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27292695196&sid=2000&pageNo=1 |
| 21:14.08 | Axodious | and the "some other cd" for paladins is probably gotak |
| 21:15.05 | steev | time to update bst i think |
| 21:15.21 | Axodious | yeah those graphs need to be redone imo >_> |
| 21:15.25 | Axodious | so many CDs missing |
| 21:15.25 | durcyn | if the druid was pro he would've popped barkskin and re-shifted between swings, why don't they show that =P |
| 21:15.59 | steev | Axodious: bone shield (not that it lasts long), and the absorb seems to be missing from his bubble |
| 21:16.19 | Axodious | pallys are missing AD |
| 21:16.19 | thelibrarian | tanks have it too easy |
| 21:16.25 | steev | if you skip diseases (ds was reworked to not require em (lulz)) you can spam ds pretty much |
| 21:16.27 | thelibrarian | bring back dual wielding bosses with parry hasting :P |
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| 21:16.52 | Axodious | and the pally missed a DP |
| 21:17.19 | Axodious | not to mention it shouldn't be 3 minutes |
| 21:17.24 | steev | drw is just parry, doesn't particularly help |
| 21:18.35 | Repo | 10utopia: 03Zeksie * r211 / (5 files in 4 directories): |
| 21:18.37 | Repo | Initial 4.0 changes. Likely missing many auras (please do let me know on the Utopia page, but do check if someone already posted it. Don't need 100 people telling me the same aura is missing). |
| 21:18.58 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r178 / (3 files in 3 directories): -revert scale changes, they did nothing in-game |
| 21:18.59 | Repo | -add option to add outlines to the text |
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| 21:19.32 | Axodious | so many things wrong with it lol |
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| 21:20.47 | Yssaril | apparently the missing dodges is due to a worgen DK bug |
| 21:20.49 | Repo | 10utopia: 03Zeksie * r212 / (5 files in 5 directories): |
| 21:20.50 | Repo | And actually change the TOC version instead of just thinking about it while sipping beer. |
| 21:21.12 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: what buff isn't it picking up from the ret? |
| 21:21.24 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: 3% dmg |
| 21:22.01 | vhaarr | no it's there, must be some other bug then |
| 21:23.43 | vhaarr | Stanzilla: I can add some debug prints if you want |
| 21:23.50 | vhaarr | I will, then I can see for myself |
| 21:24.11 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 21:24.16 | Repo | 10archud3 (experimental): 03nyyr * r9 / (6 files in 2 directories): |
| 21:24.17 | Repo | Restored core settings menu including positioning and scaling |
| 21:24.22 | Stanzilla | next raid is tomorrow tho |
| 21:24.28 | Axodious | <Yssaril> apparently the missing dodges is due to a worgen DK bug <- the question is why would someone post such a clearly glitched comparison :p |
| 21:25.20 | Yssaril | Axodious: to say ZOMG DRUID BEARS ARE SO OP |
| 21:25.26 | Axodious | lol |
| 21:26.47 | Axodious | even saying that though is pretty pointless and redundant, blizz has there own tests that would clearly point that out ;o |
| 21:27.28 | Yssaril | since when has that stopped anyone spewing nonsense on the forums? |
| 21:27.39 | Axodious | eh, point i guess |
| 21:27.55 | Repo | 10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia * r179 ComboPointsRedux.toc: -poke for updated locales |
| 21:28.31 | Axodious | they should just let other tanks ride bears and make a super tank! muahaha >:D |
| 21:28.39 | Repo | 10spell-reminder: 03oridan * r202 core.lua: SpellReminder: |
| 21:28.40 | Repo | - fix some bad references to GetSpellName |
| 21:28.49 | Axodious | and then make you use the vehicle ui to tank with |
| 21:28.58 | Yssaril | lol |
| 21:33.44 | Axodious | apparently the bear parse was using pvp gear |
| 21:33.49 | Axodious | gg resilience? |
| 21:33.55 | thelibrarian | lolwut |
| 21:34.03 | Repo | 10broker-imba: 03Rabbit * r17 imba.lua: Add some more debug stuff. |
| 21:34.23 | Repo | 10broker-imba: 03Rabbit * r18 imba.lua: Drycode fix. |
| 21:36.07 | Axodious | it's posted on the EJ BB, also the dk dodge thing is a problem with dk premades |
| 21:39.09 | Axodious | also they didn't use cds greater than a minute |
| 21:39.20 | Axodious | (which still doesn't explain the DP missing for paladins |
| 21:39.22 | Axodious | ) |
| 21:40.18 | Joddie | Axodious: but... resilience only affects damage from other players ? |
| 21:40.18 | Hjalte | I seem to be wiping on the loading boss a lot recently. Any tips? |
| 21:40.29 | Hjalte | I am of course using a shitload of addons. |
| 21:40.56 | Axodious | maybe it's bugged or something idk :S |
| 21:42.33 | Joddie | Hjalte: disable addons, if problem persists blame wow, uninstall and re-install and by the time you are done servers will be stable again and you can log in. |
| 21:43.12 | steev | delete your cache and wtf folder, also, please post dxdiag output, and system specs |
| 21:44.13 | Hjalte | Yes, i'd love to wipe all my addon settings. Should I reinstall windows as well? |
| 21:44.27 | Hjalte | ;) |
| 21:44.35 | Axodious | yes, recommended windows xp |
| 21:45.00 | thelibrarian | oh yeah, get a new router too |
| 21:45.02 | thelibrarian | just to be sure |
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| 21:49.15 | Joddie | to be on the safe side, move to another coutnry |
| 21:49.27 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03thelibrarian * r166 ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs.lua: Fix stupid mistake in alias code |
| 21:49.31 | Joddie | and don't take spelling advice from me, ever |
| 21:49.33 | Axodious | change your name ssn etc |
| 21:50.22 | thelibrarian | actually, don't just reinstall wow. you should go out and buy a new copy, just in case the disc is corrupt |
| 21:50.32 | thelibrarian | same for windows :P |
| 21:50.47 | Axodious | hell, just go by an entire new computer setup |
| 21:50.53 | Axodious | desk and all |
| 21:50.58 | thelibrarian | and a new house. it's obviously a wiring problem. |
| 21:51.39 | thelibrarian | aren't you glad you asked here instead of the blizz forums? :P |
| 21:52.34 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r449 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 21:52.35 | Repo | Stop it from showing healing highlight border for small or zero amounts. And fix issue with party frame heal prediction. |
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| 21:53.18 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r137 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 21:53.19 | Repo | Fixed ticket #63 (not highlighting buttons with macro) and hopefully fixed ticket #55 (critical error 132 when zoning). |
| 21:53.43 | Repo | 10pestcontrol: 03Jabouty * r31 PestControl.lua: |
| 21:53.44 | Repo | This is not a usable commit. Using to transport current changes to home workstation. |
| 21:53.57 | Hjalte | Adirelle: Haha, it could have been YOU crashing my wow. |
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| 21:54.49 | Adirelle | Hjalte, maybe |
| 21:54.56 | Adirelle | you're playing a druid ? |
| 21:54.59 | Hjalte | Yes |
| 21:55.16 | Hjalte | I'll log out and update to the newest version immediately |
| 21:55.18 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 07master * 92b6e55 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] add rule-list to category-editor. rudimentary rule editing |
| 21:55.21 | Adirelle | that's very probably this so |
| 21:55.40 | Adirelle | it seems the eclipse related APIs aren't very stable ATM |
| 21:57.18 | Yssaril | Adirelle: i commited your changes to libmounts fyi |
| 21:57.34 | Adirelle | Yssaril, I've seen that, ty |
| 21:57.40 | Yssaril | np |
| 21:57.43 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r450 XPerl_Options/XPerl_FrameOptions.xml: Fix a couple of taints on Blizzard's default buff bar. |
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| 22:02.55 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r138 Localization.lua: Locales updated. |
| 22:04.16 | Repo | 10bison: 03Grayal * r105 / (6 files in 1 directory): prepare for cata |
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| 22:06.43 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 07master * f73e5b8 Baggins_ItemOps.lua: [+2 commits] |
| 22:06.44 | Repo | f73e5b8: fix possible nil-error in MoveToSpecialityBags |
| 22:06.46 | Repo | 45bcf3c: fix acetimer-issue |
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| 22:07.54 | Hjalte | Adirelle: I was able to zone into an instance now. Cheers. |
| 22:10.31 | Adirelle | Hjalte, actually I broke the eclipse value xD |
| 22:10.45 | Adirelle | but at least I know what is causing the crash |
| 22:10.54 | Hjalte | Adirelle: Being able to zone in > most else |
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| 22:11.08 | Adirelle | right |
| 22:11.15 | Computerpunk | Hey guys. I've got a question related to Locale Databases. |
| 22:11.27 | Computerpunk | Is there any way to delete all phrases? As in, start locale data from ground 0? |
| 22:11.52 | Computerpunk | Thanks in advance. |
| 22:11.56 | Repo | 10blood-shield-tracker: 03talryn1 * r84 BloodShieldTracker.lua: Updating the healing debuffs. |
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| 22:23.32 | Shefki | So want this day to be over. |
| 22:24.41 | Repo | 10wholib: 03sylvanaar 042.0.116 * r116 : Tagging as 2.0.116 |
| 22:27.21 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r139 ClassDefaults.lua: Fixed resource declarations in class defaults. |
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| 22:27.53 | Connor1 | Are dungeon queues simply not happening for anyone else? |
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| 22:28.00 | Connor1 | Even though I'm a healer? |
| 22:29.13 | Killmore | do you guys know if guild leveling will be available with 4.0.3 or it will start when cata release ? |
| 22:30.20 | durcyn | 4.0.3. |
| 22:30.40 | durcyn | the only thing installing the expansion nets you is a level cap increase and access to the new races |
| 22:30.50 | durcyn | and areas, of course |
| 22:32.16 | Killmore | ok |
| 22:32.29 | Killmore | and 4.0.3 will be release like 2 weeks before cata ? |
| 22:32.51 | Dark_Elf | cata releases december 7 |
| 22:33.01 | durcyn | 4.0.3 will drop a week or two before, yeah |
| 22:33.11 | durcyn | date hasn't been announced |
| 22:33.21 | Fisker | Megalon |
| 22:33.24 | Fisker | what shit is this? |
| 22:33.26 | Fisker | 2 boxers? |
| 22:33.30 | Fisker | imma like wtfudge |
| 22:33.58 | Dark_Elf | so they skipping 4.02 and going 4.03 then? |
| 22:34.44 | wink | who knows |
| 22:34.51 | durcyn | i think they reserved that for an emergency client-side bugfix, but so far they've just done hotfixes |
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| 22:36.50 | Shefki | 4.0.2 is used for other regions typically. |
| 22:37.11 | durcyn | of course numbers are meaningless, especially with the streaming client |
| 22:39.18 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle * r140 Core.lua: Now with both safe zoning and eclipse energy. |
| 22:40.21 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 04v1.5-beta-6 * r141 : Tagging as v1.5-beta-6 |
| 22:42.00 | Dark_Elf | mumbles i miss autobar |
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| 22:44.58 | Fisker | naw Shefki |
| 22:45.05 | Fisker | used for any type of emergency patch |
| 22:45.34 | Fisker | which i still don't get but fuck that |
| 22:46.12 | Dark_Elf | so is cata going to be 4.1? |
| 22:46.23 | Fisker | no |
| 22:46.24 | Fisker | 4.0.3 |
| 22:46.37 | Dark_Elf | omg |
| 22:47.25 | Computerpunk | confusion. |
| 22:47.51 | durcyn | it's not a client upgrade, the expansion itself just flags your account for worgens/goblins, 81+ areas |
| 22:48.04 | Dark_Elf | so technically they have given all cata with exception need to buy the game to get 2 new races, new start land, 85 and cracked land? |
| 22:48.04 | durcyn | the "cataclysm" world changing event stuff is before 12/7 |
| 22:48.21 | durcyn | they can't not update everyone to the new old world maps |
| 22:48.29 | Computerpunk | Yeah. |
| 22:48.34 | Computerpunk | Would be out of scope. |
| 22:48.40 | Computerpunk | Since, 1. NPC database is the same. |
| 22:49.01 | Fisker | phasing! |
| 22:49.02 | Computerpunk | Having entry 13253 in Vanilla and 13253 in Cataclysm with different meaning would be hard to code, imo. |
| 22:49.12 | Computerpunk | Phasing, but different npc ids. |
| 22:49.18 | Computerpunk | As you can see, they already removed alot of npcs. |
| 22:50.29 | durcyn | you're talking bollocks there, no reason to recycle any IDs, be they spell or NPC or item |
| 22:51.08 | Computerpunk | Well, as far as I can see from examining DBCs, they're recycling some. |
| 22:51.09 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 22:51.16 | Computerpunk | For Spells, as you've stated. |
| 22:52.13 | durcyn | that's moronic |
| 22:52.44 | arkanes | they recycled a lot of glyph IDs, intentionally |
| 22:53.11 | Fisker | i recycled you arkanes |
| 22:53.19 | Computerpunk | arkanes, they changed the whole system. |
| 22:54.15 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEAH |
| 22:54.20 | Fisker | that's what you get when you get recycled |
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| 22:54.31 | Dark_Elf | hehe |
| 22:55.33 | Computerpunk | yeah. |
| 22:55.37 | Computerpunk | seems Fisker recycled you. |
| 22:55.38 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 22:55.48 | Computerpunk | he had to temporarily phase you. |
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| 23:03.52 | Repo | 10auracle: 03taleden * r100 / (2 files in 2 directories): - (de)buff category corrections for presets |
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| 23:11.02 | Repo | 10dbmftlbbq: 03Rabbit * r42 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 23:11.04 | Repo | Strip letters and space characters from version replies, since DBM has versions like '4.45 alpha' literal. |
| 23:12.36 | Repo | 10range-display: 03mitch0 * r316 RangeDisplay.lua: |
| 23:12.37 | Repo | set display color to transparent if no valid sections are found and when target becomes invalid |
| 23:14.00 | Dark_Elf | http://i.imgur.com/bFeoW.jpg |
| 23:14.46 | Adirelle | hrm, dbmftlbbq, this name misses some mroe consonants |
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| 23:21.39 | Repo | 10spell-binder: 03Archarodim * r9 locale/locale.xml: |
| 23:21.41 | Repo | - Added missing locale/locale.xml so now /spellbinder command is able to display SpellBinder configuration UI instead of throwing an error about missing locales. |
| 23:25.09 | vhaarr | Adirelle: I could tag on "KKK" at the end, perhaps? |
| 23:25.42 | vhaarr | no, wait, someone would consider that too offensive and report the addon, getting it blocked from the packager |
| 23:26.54 | mitchnull | anyone happen to know where tuller moved the bagnon repo? |
| 23:27.14 | Tuller | github, though how i have it setup right now is evil |
| 23:27.25 | Yssaril | vhaarr: reporting an addon gets it blocked from the packanger right away? |
| 23:27.39 | mitchnull | ah, you're here :) |
| 23:27.45 | mitchnull | can't find the cata version :) |
| 23:27.47 | vhaarr | Yssaril: ah, ehm, I dunno :P |
| 23:28.06 | vhaarr | mitchnull: I have a bash script to wade through Tullers evil setup if you want |
| 23:28.21 | mitchnull | ah, nevermind, I parsed github as google-code :) |
| 23:28.30 | mitchnull | vhaarr: yeah, would be nice |
| 23:28.34 | vhaarr | sec |
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| 23:35.09 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker 04v1.1.19 * r86 : Tagging as v1.1.19 |
| 23:42.10 | arkanes | there's no easy way to get the number of elements in a dictionary-style table, like # for array-style ones? |
| 23:42.39 | vhaarr | no |
| 23:42.41 | vhaarr | iterate and count |
| 23:45.10 | arkanes | alrighty |
| 23:45.34 | mitchnull | or keep track while inserting |
| 23:45.48 | mitchnull | (and deleting, obviously) |
| 23:46.36 | mitchnull | laterz |
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| 23:47.18 | vhaarr | arkanes: note that you can check whether a map is empty with |if next(map) then --[[ not empty ]] end| |
| 23:47.52 | arkanes | ah nice |
| 23:48.04 | arkanes | in this case I needed the count of items I'd inserted, so I just added a counter |
| 23:49.57 | SunTsu | uh, great, milling looks kind of broken. It doesn't loot the result until I do something else, like mounting up or eating |
| 23:50.01 | vhaarr | if you need to count a map like that you probably made a weird design decision somewhere |
| 23:52.22 | arkanes | vhaarr: I'm adding buttons to a layout and I need to set their offset from the anchor incrementally as I go |
| 23:52.43 | durcyn | SunTsu: not to imply any stupidity on your part, but the patch did reset "auto loot" for some people, just sayin'. |
| 23:52.46 | arkanes | each button represents a debuff category so I'm tagging them into a map for easy finding later |
| 23:53.03 | SunTsu | durcyn: I don't even get a loot frame |
| 23:53.27 | durcyn | SunTsu: sure you don't have an addon hiding it? milling worked for me yesterday |
| 23:53.36 | SunTsu | But as soon as I mount up the result is looted quite finde. Must look silly, mounting up and down for minutes |
| 23:54.14 | SunTsu | s/finde/fine/ |
| 23:55.16 | vhaarr | arkanes: you can just anchor them to eachother instead of offset |
| 23:55.38 | arkanes | vhaarr: I remember reading somewhere that chaining anchors like that was discouraged |
| 23:55.51 | vhaarr | meh, it's the sane thing to do |
| 23:56.14 | vhaarr | those miniscule optimizations will lead to a 0.00001 sec decrease in rendering time |
| 23:56.31 | arkanes | in what I'd read before it could get pretty substantial |
| 23:56.46 | arkanes | but eh its just as easy to count an offset as to remember the last button |
| 23:57.02 | arkanes | if I ever decide to size the buttons independently from each other I'll change it |
| 23:57.03 | vhaarr | yes true, whatever :P |
| 23:57.58 | vhaarr | I'm just saying that from a fluid layout/user point if view, anchoring them makes more sense |
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