| 00:00.08 | Mikk | as in textures not repeating like they should |
| 00:00.35 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: try now |
| 00:00.44 | Repo | 10healers-have-to-die: 03Archarodim 07master * 1.5.2 Core.lua: [+1 commit] - Cross was not hidden as soon as an enemy unit was added to the blacklist. |
| 00:00.50 | Repo | 10healers-have-to-die: 03Archarodim 041.5.2 * 28fb369 /: [new tag] Tagging as 1.5.2 |
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| 00:02.00 | ulic | Repo: @descrive healers-have-to-die |
| 00:02.06 | ulic | Repo: @describe healers-have-to-die |
| 00:02.13 | Parnic | @describe healers-have-to-die |
| 00:02.15 | Repo | Parnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/healers-have-to-die/. Healers have to die. A simple Add-on that rings when you hover or target an enemy healer. |
| 00:02.27 | ulic | I'm full of fail tonight, thank Parnic |
| 00:02.45 | ulic | ah, pvp thing, should have known |
| 00:02.48 | thelibrarian | Kaelten: ought to just put a filter to disallow ":" in there, as many people mistakenly paste in the key fingerprint... |
| 00:03.50 | Kaelten | ya guess really varifying it's base64 would be a good thing |
| 00:04.42 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Kaelten * r978 AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Reverting back to 975 due to mass breakage. |
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| 00:11.32 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03gnarfoz * r676 services/classgenderfix.lua: |
| 00:11.34 | Repo | make 'BR' an array so it can be used as one, stops errors on load |
| 00:12.03 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: ^, ty |
| 00:12.26 | Kaelten | I reverted back Ace3's recent changes to try to fix some of this stuff |
| 00:12.42 | Kaelten | anyone have a better idea of what's going on? |
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| 00:13.47 | knaledge | @gnarfoz: Any chance that fix has anything to do with the profile settings not working anymore? |
| 00:14.11 | Gnarfoz | knaledge: I wouldn't think so, no |
| 00:14.28 | Parnic | if the mod was erroring on load then it could very well appear as though settings weren't working |
| 00:14.36 | knaledge | k - I can submit a ticket for it. There are several reports on the curse site for Prat too about it |
| 00:14.38 | Parnic | (chat scroll button placement is a setting) |
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| 00:14.52 | Parnic | do you have errors turned on, knaledge? |
| 00:15.11 | knaledge | Yes - the only error being received was the gender one |
| 00:15.43 | knaledge | I can deploy r675 again to see anything else in that report if you like |
| 00:16.24 | knaledge | But allll of my settings were just reverted as if I had freshly deployed it and even after making changes and reloading UI, they didn't take. |
| 00:16.45 | knaledge | also, I was using the "Default" profile, which I've never used before |
| 00:16.59 | knaledge | and upon changing to Knaledge-Maiev (my profile), it still had no effect |
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| 00:21.08 | Parnic | @project broker_lfd |
| 00:21.09 | Repo | Parnic: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_lfd/. Broker_LFD. Game: WoW. ulic (Manager/Author). Updated: 32 hours ago. Tickets: 1/8 |
| 00:21.30 | Parnic | ulic you still around? i don't get any LFD data listed on the text for that broker mod. should i? |
| 00:25.56 | Repo | 10baggins_anywhere-bags: 03mikk * r75 Core.lua: Plug a 4.0 error (slow itemcache updating) |
| 00:26.30 | Hirsute | Woo-hoo. Yay for Baggins updates. |
| 00:27.01 | Morwrath | Aww. The boomkin costume was bad ass |
| 00:27.11 | Morwrath | Should've done the dance. |
| 00:27.53 | Hirsute | Now if only there was a way to make it include gear that I'm wearing, I could jimmy rig Baggins into having a bag that shows all the gear sets I'm currently carrying. |
| 00:28.05 | Repo | 10decursive: 03Archarodim 07master * 2.5.2.2.RC3 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] - LibDATABroker must load before LibDBIcon... |
| 00:28.11 | Repo | 10decursive: 03Archarodim 042.5.2.2.RC3 * 18f3c56 /: [new tag] Tagging as 2.5.2.2.RC3 (I hope it's the last RC!) |
| 00:29.15 | Morwrath | dang these people and their crazy draenai costumes. |
| 00:30.18 | thelibrarian | Morwrath: that boomkin does come back for the dance contest |
| 00:30.25 | Morwrath | oooh hell yeah. |
| 00:30.26 | Morwrath | cool. |
| 00:30.27 | Morwrath | :O |
| 00:30.31 | thelibrarian | the dance isn't that great, though, so don't get your hopes up |
| 00:30.36 | Morwrath | aww. |
| 00:30.37 | Morwrath | damn you |
| 00:30.37 | thelibrarian | probably kind of hard to move in that thing |
| 00:30.37 | Morwrath | ;-; |
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| 00:32.09 | Morwrath | lol |
| 00:32.17 | Morwrath | they failed at putting that steep ramp there |
| 00:32.39 | Morwrath | <-- just not watching blizzcon |
| 00:32.41 | Morwrath | few days behind. |
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| 00:48.44 | harl | whay is it that i often find myself smiling when i see certain actors.. |
| 00:50.43 | Hirsute | Because you think they're hot? |
| 00:50.55 | harl | hot? naw.. |
| 00:51.21 | Hirsute | Goofy-looking, then? |
| 00:51.41 | harl | no, that's not it either |
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| 01:03.17 | harl | dunno *shrugs* - maybe it's mey who's a bit.. off key then, eh? ;) |
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| 01:11.57 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 074.0.1 * r210 Classes (2 files in 1 directory): FBagOfHolding: |
| 01:11.58 | Repo | - Started implementing unit tests for ViewSet.lua. Modified SearchCollector.lua to suppress debugging messages when running unit tests. |
| 01:12.55 | Repo | 10wowunit: 03feithar * r16 WoWUnit.lua: WoWUnit: |
| 01:12.56 | Repo | - Made mock object methods available with a test suite's setUp method. |
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| 01:30.25 | Repo | Ticket 427 - Add missing localization strings (thanks Mang). |
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| 03:16.48 | Morwrath | Sooo |
| 03:16.52 | Morwrath | Wow no playing addon sounds |
| 03:16.57 | Morwrath | is that a new issue or? |
| 03:17.06 | Morwrath | cause now my addon's playsoundfile() won't wok.. |
| 03:17.08 | Morwrath | work * |
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| 03:21.01 | taleden | so, the default UI shows (at least some) debuffs on targettarget, but UNIT_AURA does not fire for targettarget.. anyone know how that works? is it using CLEU or somesuch instead? |
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| 03:22.10 | quiescens | moo |
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| 03:26.02 | Mirrormn | PowerAuras (and myself, by extension) changed all its sound files to .ogg and they work |
| 03:30.19 | thelibrarian | apparently mp3 support was pulled. there still patent issues with that? |
| 03:41.10 | Morwrath | hmm? |
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| 03:48.45 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 074.0.1 * r211 / (3 files in 2 directories): FBagOfHolding: |
| 03:48.46 | Repo | - Completed unit tests for implemented parts of ViewSet.lua and ViewSetCollection.lua. Modified FBoH_View.lua so that views are inserted into UISpecialFrames so they can be closed with the escape key. |
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| 04:08.22 | doom0r | mitch0: according to changelog, did you end up just using TexCoords then? |
| 04:09.46 | Aeyan | I thought WoW pulled wav's, kept mp3 and added ogg |
| 04:10.10 | Parnic | Shefki: can i steal the PB4 code that's replacing "set focus" with "type /focus to set your focus" in right-click menus? |
| 04:10.58 | doom0r | Aeyan: from what i've heard, yes |
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| 04:20.37 | Xinhuan | they never added ogg support - ogg support was already in wow way back in 4 years ago |
| 04:20.51 | Xinhuan | omen2 and omen3 included a ogg file |
| 04:21.31 | taleden | anyone know how the default UI updates debuffs on targettarget, even though UNIT_AURA doesn't fire for targettarget? |
| 04:22.17 | Xinhuan | OnUpdate |
| 04:23.15 | taleden | ug. do all unit frames do that then? |
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| 04:34.57 | Repo | 10expstats: 03cpw11 07master * v4.0.1b ExpStatsCore.lua: [+1 commit] Disable at level 80 |
| 04:35.03 | Repo | 10expstats: 03cpw11 04v4.0.1b * cc30bbb /: [new tag] Tagging as v4.0.1b |
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| 04:37.21 | doom0r | where is this "new addon" "enabling" spam coming from? |
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| 04:40.10 | pompy | doom0r: ace3 |
| 04:40.22 | pompy | update ace3 again, kaelten reverted it |
| 04:41.31 | doom0r | mm, so nothing has the newest push and i'm using the old one that got packaged with something |
| 04:41.50 | doom0r | s/nothing /nothing i have/ |
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| 04:52.52 | doom0r | pompy: thanks, bt4 alpha caught ace3 r976 when it was packaged |
| 05:17.58 | Parnic | hooray for tag: latest |
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| 06:23.19 | kandarz | jnwhiteh: around? |
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| 06:25.45 | mitch0 | so, is everything back to normal? |
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| 06:51.30 | pompy | Adirelle: ping |
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| 06:56.49 | pompy | Gnarfoz: ping |
| 06:57.31 | mitch0 | pompy: ping |
| 06:57.58 | pompy | mitch0: pong |
| 06:58.38 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz: thanks for the fix |
| 07:01.02 | Adirelle | pompy, pong |
| 07:03.54 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:04.22 | mitch0 | nevcariel: boo |
| 07:05.24 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r270 / (5 files in 1 directory): *3.02.62 (26-OCT-2010)* |
| 07:05.25 | Repo | * fixed - cleaned up references to libraries (ace2, dewdrop) that were no longer being used |
| 07:05.26 | Repo | * fixed - embeds.xml will be commented out of the toc file for curse no-lib downloads so it doesnt try to load embedded libraries (which arent there for no-lib) |
| 07:05.27 | Repo | * fixed - anchor issue |
| 07:05.52 | nev-mobile | You fail at typing my name |
| 07:06.39 | quiescens | we just use nev |
| 07:06.40 | quiescens | nodnod |
| 07:07.14 | Repo | 10minimalist: 03whizkid * r106 Minimalist.lua: - (add) Better Auto Loot (Confirm BoP Warning) |
| 07:10.33 | Repo | 10grid: 03Phanx * r1388 Locales (9 files in 1 directory): * Clean up locale files so line numbers all match up |
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| 07:14.59 | Repo | 10baggins_anywhere-bags: 03mikk 041.0.75 * r76 : Tagging as 1.0.75 |
| 07:15.05 | Repo | 10baggins_anywhere-bags: 03mikk * r77 Baggins_AnywhereBags.toc: toc 40000 |
| 07:15.11 | Repo | 10baggins_anywhere-bags: 03mikk 041.0.77 * r78 : Tagging as 1.0.77 |
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| 07:16.14 | Repo | 10libdualspec-1-0: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.3-40000 LibDualSpec-1.0.toc: [+1 commit] TOC bump. |
| 07:16.20 | Repo | 10libdualspec-1-0: 03Adirelle 04v1.3-40000 * 2e257e0 /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.3-40000 |
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| 07:18.48 | Elkano | Adirelle, any response on my request ofr compressing bag content based on slot id? |
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| 07:20.03 | zerix | anyone familiar with ouF tags? i'm getting an error when in a vehicle |
| 07:20.18 | Adirelle | Elkano, which ticket ? |
| 07:20.32 | Elkano | only mentioned it in the thread and irc |
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| 07:20.55 | zerix | looks like it's trying to get the color of power types that don't exist |
| 07:21.06 | Elkano | basically a way to empty a phisical bag in order to allow replacing it with a profession bag |
| 07:21.33 | Elkano | and maybe a way to allow to replace a bag with a bag stored in it (since you can't tell if that's the case) |
| 07:21.55 | Adirelle | oh, I see |
| 07:21.59 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro 043.02.62 * r271 : *3.02.62 (26-OCT-2010)* |
| 07:22.00 | Repo | * fixed - cleaned up references to libraries (ace2, dewdrop) that were no longer being used |
| 07:22.01 | Repo | * fixed - embeds.xml will be commented out of the toc file for curse no-lib downloads so it doesnt try to load embedded libraries (which arent there for no-lib) |
| 07:22.02 | Repo | * fixed - anchor issue |
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| 07:22.35 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: for a bit, whats up |
| 07:23.13 | kandarz | I'm writing an email to you about EQ/Lightheaded/FPS |
| 07:23.31 | Adirelle | Elkano, from what I read, you don't want to fill the first bag, you want to empty one of the bags to change it ? |
| 07:23.39 | jnwhiteh | alright, are you the EQ author? |
| 07:23.43 | kandarz | yes |
| 07:23.50 | jnwhiteh | ah, k =) |
| 07:23.52 | jnwhiteh | nice to meet you :P |
| 07:24.16 | Elkano | well, filling the first would be one way but intelligent code when trying to replace a bag would be even better |
| 07:25.05 | Elkano | if you only fill the first one is still able to move the bags around after replacing the last one |
| 07:25.23 | kandarz | I sure hope my email isn't too whiny/terrible communication |
| 07:25.33 | jnwhiteh | I'm sure it'll be fine |
| 07:25.40 | jnwhiteh | its morning for me, so I can respond as soon as I can look at it. |
| 07:25.51 | doom0r | is that where that huge drop is coming from on ql open? |
| 07:26.04 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: I've seen it once, yes. |
| 07:26.05 | Adirelle | Elkano, actually, when knowing that you want to empty a bag, adibags could tell you directly if there is enough room or not |
| 07:26.10 | kandarz | I just sent it to cladhaire @ gmail |
| 07:26.17 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 07:26.18 | doom0r | i get it about 50% of the time |
| 07:27.25 | Elkano | Adirelle, well the problem only occures if you try to replace a none-empty bag (or rather one containing invalid items) with a profession bag or when you try to replace a bag with another one that's stored in it |
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| 07:27.41 | krka | do you mean non-empty? :) |
| 07:27.50 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: I know its a cop-out for me to say 'they're doing it wrong', but it's difficult for me to say anything but when so many addons over the history of LH have screwed it up with bad behavior =) |
| 07:28.02 | jnwhiteh | I'm about 10 emails from getting to yous. |
| 07:28.22 | Adirelle | right... invalid items. that's the point |
| 07:28.44 | kandarz | I understand, a library I use was one of the main problems of SelectQuestLogEntry() that you had |
| 07:28.53 | Adirelle | I'll see if I can do some smart module to move the items around |
| 07:29.04 | Adirelle | though I don't know if I can automate the bag swapping itself |
| 07:29.19 | Elkano | so moving stored bags to the lowest id would allow to replace the highest bag with normal bags and if there are only valid items in the last bag with a profession bag |
| 07:29.20 | krka | i never get emails :/ |
| 07:30.03 | Elkano | you could add empty slots to the bag bar |
| 07:30.33 | Elkano | or maybe highlight the slots corresponding to a bag when you mouseover it |
| 07:30.47 | Adirelle | Elkano, that's just what I thougt about |
| 07:31.01 | Adirelle | though this might become tricky with virtual stacks |
| 07:31.25 | Elkano | well, a virtual stack can occure in multiple bags at the same time |
| 07:31.51 | Elkano | so it would be associated with all bags the real slots it represents come from |
| 07:33.22 | jnwhiteh | I hate when I get emails, for about 30 curse comments |
| 07:33.26 | jnwhiteh | and then none of them exist. |
| 07:33.35 | Elkano | btw, there is another problem with adiBags I noticed wrt the LFD rewards from lower dungeons... you only filter based on the base item, not based on the suffix. So if you get the same item with different suffixes and use them in different equipment sets your assoziation of items to sets will be broken |
| 07:33.51 | Elkano | jnwhiteh, then most likely I banned the spammer already |
| 07:33.57 | jnwhiteh | was not a spammer |
| 07:34.00 | jnwhiteh | were legit comments. |
| 07:34.24 | Elkano | well, I ban those, too... NOT |
| 07:36.35 | Adirelle | Elkano, that's because of the gear manager API, it doesn't give item links (which would handles suffixes), only item ids |
| 07:36.56 | Elkano | oh, ok |
| 07:39.49 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: The reason I 'blame' EQ in this case is because I've seen the issue happen myself |
| 07:39.55 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: I always assume that they solved their issue and deleted their post |
| 07:39.59 | jnwhiteh | and it will not ever happen with just LH is enabled. |
| 07:40.08 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: that's not useful to the other users in the comment thread |
| 07:40.12 | jnwhiteh | its almost counter-productive |
| 07:40.20 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: so you've never been able to reproduce this issue? |
| 07:40.40 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: true that |
| 07:40.51 | kandarz | jnwhiteh: Only FPS drop I get is when a LH data module loads, and FPS goes back to normal when it's loaded |
| 07:41.41 | jnwhiteh | ah that's not the issue |
| 07:41.51 | jnwhiteh | I had LH open and everything was fine |
| 07:42.10 | jnwhiteh | I opened EQ and my FPS dropped to 10 (I'm normally around 60-70) and stayed that way until I closed both or reloaded. |
| 07:42.14 | jnwhiteh | I've not been able to reproduce this since |
| 07:42.18 | jnwhiteh | but it does happen |
| 07:42.23 | jnwhiteh | do you take _any_ periodic action in EQ? |
| 07:42.27 | jnwhiteh | OnUpdate or such? |
| 07:42.32 | doom0r | jnwhiteh: i can open LH while EQ is open and do the same |
| 07:42.47 | doom0r | s/is open/is closed/ |
| 07:43.05 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: but you can't when EQ isn't installed, I'm fairly positive =) |
| 07:43.13 | jnwhiteh | I am NOT saying 'it's EQ' |
| 07:43.22 | jnwhiteh | rather, I am saying this doesn't happen when EQ isn't loaded :P |
| 07:43.22 | doom0r | most likely, and neither am i |
| 07:43.47 | jnwhiteh | and I'm just super aware of the code that runs in LH |
| 07:43.51 | nev-mobile | Let me wager this also doesnt happen when LH isnt loaded. :p |
| 07:44.13 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: I'm not 100% positive about that, but yes. |
| 07:44.26 | kandarz | Only OnUpdate is tooltip scanning and I doubt you have that enabled (for localized quest list) |
| 07:44.29 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: so you can reproduce it every time? |
| 07:44.40 | Fisker | http://www.androidcentral.com/second-google-phone-out-christmas <-this has to be true jnwhiteh :( |
| 07:44.41 | kandarz | LightHeaded is only called on OnClick on a quest button |
| 07:44.42 | doom0r | no, but i do have everyquest_questgivers installed |
| 07:44.44 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik 07cataclysm * r2924 / (2 files in 2 directories): - converted RD & RK, fixed loot table name bugs |
| 07:45.06 | kandarz | EveryQuest_QuestGivers doesn't use LightHeaded at all |
| 07:45.12 | doom0r | no |
| 07:45.48 | jnwhiteh | it seems to be a 4.x issue |
| 07:45.52 | jnwhiteh | just not sure where its coming from |
| 07:45.56 | jnwhiteh | and its hard to reproduce |
| 07:45.58 | jnwhiteh | if not impossible. |
| 07:46.06 | jnwhiteh | it seems like a race condition |
| 07:46.10 | jnwhiteh | and we know how fun they are =/ |
| 07:46.36 | doom0r | but with an increased frequency of it happening to me and that drawing like hell to my map so much that it lags on zone changes, just saying it could be opening something up |
| 07:46.37 | jnwhiteh | someone should install a performance monitoring addon when they can reproduce this issue |
| 07:46.38 | kandarz | Well, my guildies have reported FPS drops in general in Dalaran in 4.0.1, but they think that is fixed in 4.0.1a which was today |
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| 07:46.45 | jnwhiteh | that would help |
| 07:47.06 | doom0r | this is along the lines of 9fps with a q6700 and gtx470 |
| 07:47.10 | jnwhiteh | I reproduced this in a corner of Stormwind. |
| 07:47.21 | kandarz | What about the 2nd part of my email, the anchoring of the frame |
| 07:48.08 | doom0r | jnwhiteh: what do you wanna see, what's eating cpu? |
| 07:48.13 | Stanzilla | I hope this new chrome build is less crashy :( |
| 07:48.15 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 07:48.21 | doom0r | i can do that right now, i can cause it quite frequently as i said |
| 07:48.22 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: i need to build a better way to do that, yes. |
| 07:48.45 | Mikk | chances are it's the frame layout engine eating the CPU |
| 07:48.54 | Mikk | and then you won't even see it attributed to an addon |
| 07:49.00 | Mikk | but do test |
| 07:49.41 | doom0r | ^ closing the LH flyout does stop it |
| 07:50.16 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: hrm, yeah, I hadn't thought of that |
| 07:50.21 | Mikk | well ... does LH use an array of frames anchored in 2 points to eachother? |
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| 07:50.26 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282109/ |
| 07:50.32 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: no, actually. |
| 07:50.39 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: its a single SimpleHTML frame |
| 07:50.39 | Mikk | e.g. frame2 topleft->frame1 bottomleft + frame2 topright->frame1 topleft |
| 07:50.51 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: drop that in LightHeaded.lua |
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| 07:50.54 | jnwhiteh | it'll spam your chat a bit |
| 07:50.55 | Mikk | err last one = frame1 bottomright |
| 07:51.01 | jnwhiteh | but might give us an idea if something weird is happening. |
| 07:51.38 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: LH is just background textures (which I can clean up, and will) and a SimpleHTML frame |
| 07:51.50 | Mikk | anyway, back then it seemed like the layout engine tries to solve a travelling salesman problem when you use 2 relative frame anchors in an long array |
| 07:52.01 | Mikk | 2-3-4 frames = fine.. 10= argh. |
| 07:52.10 | jnwhiteh | weird! |
| 07:52.19 | jnwhiteh | when I use arrays like that I just have it going in one direction |
| 07:52.22 | jnwhiteh | A anchored to parent |
| 07:52.25 | jnwhiteh | B anchored to A |
| 07:52.27 | jnwhiteh | C anchored to B |
| 07:52.32 | jnwhiteh | nothign more than that |
| 07:52.35 | jnwhiteh | btu that's not happening in this case |
| 07:52.38 | Mikk | yeah but on how many points? |
| 07:52.42 | Mikk | are you just anchoring the lefts? |
| 07:52.46 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 07:52.48 | Mikk | thats fine |
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| 07:52.57 | jnwhiteh | topleft TO bottomleft and tha'ts it. |
| 07:52.57 | Mikk | the problem appears if you try to anchor the right side too in the sam way |
| 07:53.17 | jnwhiteh | when I do that |
| 07:53.41 | jnwhiteh | its A:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", parent, "TOPLEFT") and then A RIGHT parent RIGHT |
| 07:53.52 | jnwhiteh | and B TOPLEFT A BOTTOMLEFT; B RIGHT parent RIGHT |
| 07:53.55 | Mikk | yeah that's fine |
| 07:53.59 | jnwhiteh | so no depdency there |
| 07:54.01 | jnwhiteh | good to know =) |
| 07:54.05 | jnwhiteh | i've gotta go to the lab |
| 07:54.10 | jnwhiteh | i'll be back in a moment. |
| 07:54.50 | doom0r | science _can_ _not_ wait |
| 08:03.26 | doom0r | 7fps |
| 08:03.44 | kandarz | And it stays there? |
| 08:04.14 | doom0r | yes |
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| 08:04.19 | jnwhiteh | back |
| 08:04.29 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: you getting any spam in teh chatlog |
| 08:04.38 | doom0r | it's nonstop |
| 08:04.40 | jnwhiteh | it should tell you every single time a lh hook or lh method is being invoked |
| 08:04.42 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 08:04.44 | jnwhiteh | what is is saying |
| 08:04.46 | jnwhiteh | that's what we need =) |
| 08:04.50 | jnwhiteh | what does the spam say? :P |
| 08:04.54 | doom0r | btw, eq and lh closed |
| 08:05.03 | doom0r | and lh is huge |
| 08:06.10 | jnwhiteh | what does that mean |
| 08:06.13 | jnwhiteh | 'huge' |
| 08:06.22 | jnwhiteh | what precisely are you describing =) |
| 08:06.32 | mitch0 | it's leaning over the cpu fan already as it doesn't fit in memory any more |
| 08:06.53 | jnwhiteh | LH memory can't ever go down once you've loaded data |
| 08:06.57 | jnwhiteh | so memory does not matter at all |
| 08:07.02 | jnwhiteh | what does the chat spam say, please? |
| 08:07.19 | doom0r | i meant usage |
| 08:07.26 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 08:07.27 | jnwhiteh | because of the spam |
| 08:07.28 | doom0r | http://i54.tinypic.com/dxe0wh.jpg is addonprofiler, sec on chat log |
| 08:07.30 | mitch0 | "super cheap gold! more safe transactions" |
| 08:08.04 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: doom0r: Seems pretty obvious, something is calling LightHeaded:UpdateFrame() |
| 08:08.10 | jnwhiteh | over and over again, in response to _something_ |
| 08:08.20 | jnwhiteh | the chat scroll may give us infoz. |
| 08:08.37 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: what you are seeing is the symptom, not the problem (as far as cpu usage) |
| 08:08.48 | jnwhiteh | also, you should _probably_ disable monkeyquest and see if it fixes the issues :P |
| 08:08.53 | doom0r | opening lh |
| 08:08.54 | jnwhiteh | but waiting on your chat log :P |
| 08:09.35 | doom0r | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282115/ |
| 08:09.40 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 08:09.40 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 * r486 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 08:09.41 | Repo | fix some itemid-issues and make sure bags are refreshed properly when modifying rules |
| 08:09.52 | kandarz | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282116/ That function is only called when clicking a quest name in EQ |
| 08:10.59 | doom0r | the last thing before drop was accepting a daily |
| 08:11.02 | nev-mobile | Maybe the button was stuck. =) |
| 08:11.21 | doom0r | then open lh |
| 08:11.43 | mitch0 | nev-mobile: boo |
| 08:12.02 | mitch0 | btw, who broke ssh on repo last night? |
| 08:12.18 | kandarz | jnwhiteh: Could this be a repeat of the SelectQuestLogEntry() problem from last year? |
| 08:12.25 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: very possibly, yes. |
| 08:12.34 | nev-mobile | Also, short of the debug prints i forgot last night, that "breakage" was kaelten talking about? |
| 08:13.06 | kandarz | I do use LibQuixote, which was a culprit in that |
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| 08:13.26 | mitch0 | nev: your 'doModules' extra param to Enable* broke stuff |
| 08:13.40 | nev-mobile | It didnt |
| 08:13.43 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: here's the original http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282119/ |
| 08:13.45 | mitch0 | did too |
| 08:13.47 | jnwhiteh | if you want to get rid of that spam |
| 08:13.53 | jnwhiteh | but we'll put different spam on :P |
| 08:13.57 | mitch0 | nev: latest BT4 release broke, for example |
| 08:14.00 | nev-mobile | At least not in the 100 ace3 addons i use. :p |
| 08:14.07 | nev-mobile | No it didnt |
| 08:14.17 | doom0r | lol, of course i have zip's of every version i've used, and a backup before replacing that ;x |
| 08:14.50 | mitch0 | nev: the blizzard art didn't get hidden, but according to its options it was disabled (yet the sub-options that should only show when enabled were visible) |
| 08:14.58 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: just trying to not assume :P |
| 08:15.10 | mitch0 | nev: toggling it on/off solved that part, but that didn't persist (/reload borked it again) |
| 08:15.12 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: line 220, there's a block, uncomment that |
| 08:15.30 | mitch0 | nev: I'm not sure it was the doModules part, I just looked at that and that looked fishy |
| 08:15.46 | nev-mobile | Thats another issue then, not caused by that change |
| 08:15.55 | mitch0 | like, the previous version always did Enable on modules, while the new one didn't default to true for doModules |
| 08:15.57 | doom0r | jnwhiteh: 235 on the modified? |
| 08:16.03 | jnwhiteh | umm, possibly |
| 08:16.06 | doom0r | the above issue? |
| 08:16.08 | jnwhiteh | but you don't want to use the modified in combination with this |
| 08:16.30 | doom0r | gotcha |
| 08:16.31 | kandarz | It's very likely it's LibQuixote |
| 08:16.37 | jnwhiteh | this will help us know |
| 08:16.59 | kandarz | Because I just uncommented it also, and toggling any group in my quest log brings up the popup |
| 08:17.14 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: so then /reload and without opening LH or anything, do a /run LightHeaded:EnableDebug(10) |
| 08:17.19 | kandarz | But apparently only the first time I do it |
| 08:17.33 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: it can give false positives =) |
| 08:17.44 | jnwhiteh | especially when the quest log is being 'scanned' |
| 08:17.53 | jnwhiteh | if you enable debug |
| 08:18.01 | jnwhiteh | right after reload, before opening it |
| 08:18.06 | jnwhiteh | you should pretty much see no output |
| 08:18.08 | jnwhiteh | is this the case? |
| 08:18.15 | jnwhiteh | or at least no periodic output |
| 08:18.44 | kandarz | On mine I trigger LibQuixote |
| 08:18.51 | doom0r | i saw nothing before opening it |
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| 08:19.11 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: and once you've opened it |
| 08:19.14 | jnwhiteh | periodic output? |
| 08:19.18 | jnwhiteh | i.e. is it happening over and over again? |
| 08:19.26 | doom0r | no |
| 08:19.35 | jnwhiteh | but the FPS drop is? |
| 08:19.51 | doom0r | no, it's not 100% reproducible yet for me |
| 08:19.55 | doom0r | working on that ;x |
| 08:19.58 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:20.15 | jnwhiteh | well any race on SelectQuestLogEntry will do it |
| 08:20.17 | kandarz | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282122/ LibQuixote scans when you expand/collapse a group, which is what I did |
| 08:20.30 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: that's fine |
| 08:20.32 | jnwhiteh | as long as it STOPS =) |
| 08:20.40 | kandarz | It does |
| 08:20.47 | jnwhiteh | but its also not necessary, but that's beyond the point =) |
| 08:20.57 | jnwhiteh | you can get all the quest log entries regardless of whether they are expanded or not |
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| 08:21.18 | mitch0 | damn |
| 08:21.29 | jnwhiteh | _something_ is causing this |
| 08:22.10 | mitch0 | nev: sorry, so, the last thing I tried to say: dunno how exactly, but latest Ace3 alpha from last night b0rked BT4 latest release (4.4.12 or somesuch): the blizz art module got confused |
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| 08:23.02 | nev-mobile | But that change was to fix a problem in bartender, shouldnt i have noticed? :p |
| 08:23.22 | mitch0 | nev: thing is, it didn't break latest BT4 alpha... |
| 08:23.36 | mitch0 | only the latest release |
| 08:23.53 | mitch0 | could be some lib-upgrade issu? |
| 08:24.07 | mitch0 | s/.$/e&/ |
| 08:24.20 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: were there any quixote updates in 4.x |
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| 08:24.26 | jnwhiteh | maybe it got rolled back somehow? =) |
| 08:24.35 | kandarz | No, don't believe so, I think Kemayo just updated the TOC |
| 08:24.37 | jnwhiteh | it also may not be an issue at all |
| 08:24.44 | jnwhiteh | its hard to tell without a good debug log |
| 08:24.45 | nev-mobile | There was an error in my fix anyway, but nothing that couldve caused that errors |
| 08:24.47 | mitch0 | nev: and I tested with the release zip, that is BT4 had all libs embedded |
| 08:25.05 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't surprise me that LightHeaded was sucking CPU, considering it was continuously updating the frame |
| 08:25.21 | jnwhiteh | but _what_ was causing UpdateFrame() over and over again, especially considering its guarded against re-updating the same quest information |
| 08:25.29 | nev-mobile | The fix was simple enough anyway, instead of enabling all modules twice, only enable them once in their proper order at the proper time |
| 08:25.57 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik 07cataclysm * r2925 / (2 files in 2 directories): - BD Omnitron name fix |
| 08:26.07 | mitch0 | nev: well, grab BT4 release, the Ace3 alpha from last night, and check it out... |
| 08:26.19 | nev-mobile | I probably shouldve reversed the logic though |
| 08:27.03 | mitch0 | could be the old and new ace3 version interacting in some funky way? |
| 08:27.24 | mitch0 | like the old ace3 enabled some stuff then the new ace3 did magic based on false assumptions? (just guessing around) |
| 08:27.40 | nev-mobile | Nah |
| 08:28.23 | vhaarr | nev's commit worked fine here and I run disembedded with just one ace3 copy |
| 08:28.33 | nev-mobile | Ill do it differently though. Order of the modules is important iin other cases as well |
| 08:28.39 | vhaarr | so it might be some upgrade issue indeed |
| 08:29.12 | vhaarr | except for the debug prints :P |
| 08:29.12 | nev-mobile | I kinda assumed my last module would be called last |
| 08:29.19 | nev-mobile | But huh, hash tables dont work like that |
| 08:29.25 | jnwhiteh | nope =) |
| 08:29.32 | nev-mobile | Needs an extra sorting table |
| 08:29.37 | jnwhiteh | the module initialization logic has always been sensitiv =) |
| 08:30.00 | nev-mobile | We have an enable queue, which is a fifo array |
| 08:30.09 | nev-mobile | But it wasnt using that for modules |
| 08:30.10 | Fisker | hey hey hey nev-mobile |
| 08:31.03 | nev-mobile | So i'll just add a second table to the module mapping to hold the order |
| 08:31.35 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: kandarz: If I can help or you need me, ping me.. I'm in a class for the rest of the day. |
| 08:31.38 | jnwhiteh | But I'm here =) |
| 08:31.56 | doom0r | if i can get it to happen again, i'll let you know |
| 08:32.03 | doom0r | 3:30 am here though, so not much more |
| 08:32.07 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 08:32.28 | doom0r | fyi, i have datastore_quests too for altoholic |
| 08:32.36 | doom0r | has selectquestlogentry in it |
| 08:32.38 | kandarz | Not sure what I can do on my end, still suspicious it's a problem with EQ |
| 08:33.01 | jnwhiteh | I don't necessarily think it is |
| 08:33.07 | jnwhiteh | but its an issue with _something_ |
| 08:33.15 | jnwhiteh | since we've all experienced it :PO |
| 08:33.18 | jnwhiteh | in my case it was just EQ and LH |
| 08:33.20 | kandarz | Except me |
| 08:33.25 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 08:33.28 | jnwhiteh | well you should =) |
| 08:33.35 | doom0r | what about the new blizzard quest thing? |
| 08:33.40 | doom0r | on the map |
| 08:33.43 | jnwhiteh | what new quest thing? |
| 08:33.49 | doom0r | their "qh" |
| 08:33.49 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't need anything to do with teh quest log at all |
| 08:34.15 | nev-mobile | Thats not new in 4.0 if you concljded that the error is new |
| 08:34.23 | nev-mobile | Concluded |
| 08:34.25 | doom0r | nev-mobile: no |
| 08:34.35 | doom0r | have no conclusion personally on that |
| 08:34.41 | Kalroth | You're new! |
| 08:35.08 | doom0r | and LH says storing qid, retrieving qid when i changes quests in there too |
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| 08:35.31 | jnwhiteh | it should |
| 08:35.46 | jnwhiteh | it does that so it doesn't re-draw the screen if its already displaying a given QID |
| 08:36.05 | doom0r | lh is closed |
| 08:36.12 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 08:36.15 | jnwhiteh | still |
| 08:36.18 | doom0r | k |
| 08:37.04 | kandarz | I'd be eternally grateful if you added a function to reanchor LH frame so I can not show the QuestLog with EQ :) |
| 08:37.13 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: you could do it all manually |
| 08:37.16 | jnwhiteh | that's the option right now |
| 08:37.19 | jnwhiteh | and its better than showing the qlog |
| 08:37.28 | jnwhiteh | I won't have time for probably another 2-3 weeks to do anything like that |
| 08:38.08 | jnwhiteh | and TomTom is actually broken |
| 08:38.12 | jnwhiteh | so needs to be updated |
| 08:38.15 | jnwhiteh | or people say its broken |
| 08:38.17 | jnwhiteh | and i'm sure it is. |
| 08:38.23 | kandarz | Was the way I described in the email as close as I can get to a decent implementation? |
| 08:38.45 | kandarz | Hooking QuestLog's OnShow and OnHide |
| 08:38.58 | jnwhiteh | that is not a terrible solution, yeah. |
| 08:39.12 | jnwhiteh | its probably how I'd do i it if I was you |
| 08:39.17 | jnwhiteh | you could also just make your own frame |
| 08:39.19 | jnwhiteh | and display you rown LH data |
| 08:39.22 | jnwhiteh | that's probably even easier. |
| 08:39.27 | jnwhiteh | and not difficult at all, afaik |
| 08:39.28 | doom0r | what's broken about tomtom, i haven't noticed anything |
| 08:39.37 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: dunno, stupid users mainly =) |
| 08:39.39 | jnwhiteh | they're always broken |
| 08:40.58 | kandarz | I assume it's pretty normal for TomTom to use a bit of CPU |
| 08:41.20 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 08:41.29 | jnwhiteh | i'm going to rewrite it tho |
| 08:41.43 | jnwhiteh | or part of it |
| 08:41.44 | kandarz | Flying from dal to the basin with an arrow it uses 1-1.5% according to broker_cpu |
| 08:41.47 | Repo | 10gnomeworks: 03lilsparky * r59 / (12 files in 3 directories): reworked the vendor conversion system |
| 08:41.48 | Repo | limited queue pop ups |
| 08:41.49 | Repo | fixed a couple nil errors |
| 08:41.50 | Repo | fixed some recipe scanning errors |
| 08:41.50 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 08:41.56 | jnwhiteh | I've never been terribly concernedw ith the CPU usage |
| 08:42.08 | jnwhiteh | because even 5% of the CPU that WoW uses (Which is what it is measuring) is nothing :P |
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| 08:42.30 | kandarz | UI can only use upto 5% total CPU? |
| 08:42.49 | jnwhiteh | no, it could use 100% |
| 08:42.56 | jnwhiteh | in a for true do end loop |
| 08:42.57 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:43.10 | jnwhiteh | TomTom is doing a LOT of work to show pretty arrows =) |
| 08:43.19 | kandarz | I don't doubt it |
| 08:43.22 | kandarz | I like pretty arrows |
| 08:43.48 | nev-mobile | I got a warning last night fron tourguide that my tomtom is outdated |
| 08:44.25 | nev-mobile | Both are up dated out of their repositories, hehe |
| 08:45.40 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: because TG's version detection got 'broked'. |
| 08:45.47 | jnwhiteh | because i changed versioning in tomtom |
| 08:45.52 | jnwhiteh | to use my new scheme =) |
| 08:45.59 | nev-mobile | I figured as much |
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| 08:47.40 | jnwhiteh | tekkub complained about it last week |
| 08:49.07 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r168 / (2 files in 1 directory): Skillet: |
| 08:49.08 | Repo | - AceComm removed - it was not used and caused errors |
| 08:52.32 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r169 / (18 files in 3 directories): Skillet: |
| 08:52.32 | Repo | - Fixed for WoW 4.0 |
| 08:52.34 | Repo | - Added new option to disable reagent queuing for Glyphs |
| 08:55.16 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: although it should be easy for tekkub to use the new versioning scheme, its quite parseable =) |
| 08:56.14 | Repo | 10dungeon-time: 03Silmano 04r04 * 0b0e345 /: [new tag, +1 commits] |
| 08:56.15 | nev-mobile | As long as striing compares are meaningful |
| 08:56.36 | nev-mobile | A > B making sense, i mean |
| 08:56.50 | jnwhiteh | not guaranteed |
| 08:56.54 | jnwhiteh | but I could amek it so |
| 08:57.05 | jnwhiteh | I have no issue releasing 1.12 |
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| 08:57.29 | jnwhiteh | lua> "1.12" < "1.2" |
| 08:57.29 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: true |
| 08:57.36 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:58.23 | nev-mobile | I like doing that too though, after .9 is .10 |
| 08:59.06 | jnwhiteh | well all my addons versions are the same |
| 08:59.07 | nev-mobile | String compares dont agree |
| 08:59.29 | jnwhiteh | vTOCNUM-major.minor.rev-BETACHANGESETHASH? |
| 08:59.39 | jnwhiteh | where the hash it only there for alpha on Curse and Beta on wowi |
| 09:00.08 | nev-mobile | I use the same without the tocnum in there |
| 09:00.20 | nev-mobile | And usually wihout the v |
| 09:00.30 | nev-mobile | But thats not important: p |
| 09:00.33 | jnwhiteh | I like the tocnum.. since I can restart at 1.0 next patch :P |
| 09:00.42 | jnwhiteh | ad its always clear what toc its built for |
| 09:00.43 | jnwhiteh | which I like |
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| 09:01.28 | nev-mobile | My main hosting is wowace which shows the game version anyhow, but yeah i can see the use |
| 09:01.31 | Fisker | see you in hell nev-mobile |
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| 09:01.45 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: the 'game version' on curse is wrong when there's a beta version of the next version |
| 09:01.49 | jnwhiteh | see: 4.x =) |
| 09:01.54 | jnwhiteh | which is why I wanted to do this |
| 09:02.00 | jnwhiteh | its only a once every 1.5-2 year problem, but still :P |
| 09:02.14 | nev-mobile | It reads the version from your toc |
| 09:02.31 | jnwhiteh | and doesn't use it for Curse Client |
| 09:02.34 | jnwhiteh | so whats the point =) |
| 09:03.10 | nev-mobile | Yeah, but no versioning i use changes that |
| 09:03.11 | nev-mobile | Stupid cc |
| 09:03.15 | jnwhiteh | I love when people demand changes |
| 09:03.18 | jnwhiteh | "You need to add this feature" |
| 09:03.27 | jnwhiteh | me: "You are welcome to use another addon, so fuck off!" |
| 09:03.41 | sbu | you need to add boobies |
| 09:03.47 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:03.47 | nev-mobile | I try to not eat them |
| 09:03.49 | nev-mobile | When that happens |
| 09:03.53 | jnwhiteh | I should add boobies to NinjaPanel |
| 09:03.58 | jnwhiteh | what would clicking on them open? |
| 09:04.02 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r170 Locale (8 files in 1 directory): Skillet: |
| 09:04.03 | Repo | - translation for "Sorting" |
| 09:04.26 | nev-mobile | Bigger boobies |
| 09:05.28 | Repo | 10libsharedmedia-3-0: 03Elkano * r62 / (3 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 7 lines) |
| 09:05.29 | Repo | - pushed TOC to 40000 |
| 09:05.30 | jnwhiteh | nomnom |
| 09:05.30 | Repo | - updated CallbackHandler-1.0 to version 6 |
| 09:05.31 | Repo | - added/changed some data |
| 09:05.32 | Repo | - BACKGROUND |
| 09:06.01 | krka | so just like real boobies then nev-mobile |
| 09:06.19 | nev-mobile | What else |
| 09:07.22 | Fisker | jnwhiteh :( |
| 09:07.29 | Fisker | nev-mobile doesn't want to be seen with me in hell |
| 09:07.30 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 09:07.43 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: whats the change to CBH? |
| 09:08.05 | nev-mobile | What change? |
| 09:08.07 | nev-mobile | Oh |
| 09:08.14 | nev-mobile | Thats peetty old |
| 09:08.18 | jnwhiteh | ah k |
| 09:08.34 | nev-mobile | Just allows you to use a coroutine as "self" |
| 09:08.51 | nev-mobile | Someone requested that to fire callbacks for coroutine object |
| 09:08.51 | nev-mobile | S |
| 09:09.01 | jnwhiteh | ah, gotcha. |
| 09:09.07 | nev-mobile | Not much of a change |
| 09:10.35 | Slayman | jnwhiteh: please add a feature to clique: |
| 09:10.46 | jnwhiteh | Slayman: no, thanks. |
| 09:10.47 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:11.04 | Slayman | jnwhiteh: it shoul cast spells on certain mouseclicks over a unitframe! |
| 09:11.14 | Slayman | thanks |
| 09:11.39 | Slayman | I'll have you looking at manboobs in no time"! |
| 09:11.47 | Fisker | i want a google nexus two with my version of clique jnwhiteh |
| 09:11.59 | Fisker | should be easy |
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| 09:17.27 | Fisker | slaps sylvanaar_work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:18.58 | Mikk | I like using revision numbers for version numbers |
| 09:19.01 | Mikk | Because then I don't have to think |
| 09:19.11 | Mikk | :D |
| 09:19.31 | nev-mobile | I dont use a vcs with revision numbers anymore |
| 09:19.46 | nev-mobile | And git hashes dont make for good versions |
| 09:19.49 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: what he said! |
| 09:19.54 | jnwhiteh | I only use git hashes for beta |
| 09:20.47 | Repo | 10grid: 03StingerSoft * r1389 Locales/GridLocale-ruRU.lua: ruRU update |
| 09:20.52 | nev-mobile | Betas are automatically named like <lasttag>-<number of commits since>-<hash> |
| 09:20.59 | nev-mobile | So thats fine =) |
| 09:21.25 | nev-mobile | Or alphas rather |
| 09:22.41 | jnwhiteh | I'm happy with it thus far |
| 09:22.48 | jnwhiteh | I like being able to reset version numbers when a patch hits |
| 09:22.55 | jnwhiteh | I hate the Clique1, Clique2, Clique3 disease =) |
| 09:23.56 | nev-mobile | For bartender i already inherited the addon with a 2 at the end, so i went with it. Not going to change the 4 |
| 09:24.32 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:24.40 | jnwhiteh | well I already had a CLique1 and a Clique2 |
| 09:24.49 | jnwhiteh | Clique1 was the version that had a 'plugin' for each unit frame |
| 09:25.03 | jnwhiteh | then I said 'fuck this noise' and made the unit frame authors register for click-casting in 2.x |
| 09:29.08 | sylvanaar_work | god fable 3 got such bad reviews |
| 09:29.40 | sylvanaar_work | 5.5 -- Mediocre |
| 09:29.44 | sylvanaar_work | =( |
| 09:30.19 | kandarz | I didn't like Fable 2 all that much |
| 09:30.26 | nev-mobile | 1 being good? 10 being good? |
| 09:30.31 | sylvanaar_work | i didnt finish it |
| 09:30.39 | sylvanaar_work | but then i have problems finishing games |
| 09:31.35 | sylvanaar_work | 1 being suck and 10 being win |
| 09:31.53 | sylvanaar_work | nev-mobile: ^ |
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| 09:32.22 | Silmano | Hello |
| 09:32.34 | Silmano | Anyone knows if there is some issue with the addon packager? |
| 09:33.20 | asmodai | Never played Fable |
| 09:34.05 | nev-mobile | Looks like a git checkout thread is hanging there |
| 09:34.25 | Silmano | I'm hanged at git push... |
| 09:35.07 | nev-mobile | It really has so many issues lately |
| 09:35.17 | Stanzilla | did Kaelten forget to up the minor in ace3 or is something else broken again? :( |
| 09:36.04 | doom0r | ? |
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| 09:36.19 | sylvanaar_work | i think one of the servers is borked |
| 09:36.27 | sylvanaar_work | i cant fix tickets |
| 09:37.47 | kandarz | jnwhiteh: how do you decide on what quests to include? wowhead keeps changing their json quest list |
| 09:37.58 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: every quest is included |
| 09:38.04 | jnwhiteh | and I parse the list each time |
| 09:38.18 | jnwhiteh | when I parse, its been a while since I've parsed, since there haven't been new quests |
| 09:38.38 | asmodai | sylvanaar_work: Then don't fix tickets ;) |
| 09:38.45 | asmodai | sylvanaar_work: have some tea |
| 09:38.46 | kandarz | Do you use: http://www.wowhead.com/data=quests ? |
| 09:38.50 | sylvanaar_work | i am |
| 09:38.54 | jnwhiteh | I get the menu javascript, and then scan every category/subcategory individually for quests |
| 09:38.57 | asmodai | sylvanaar_work: \o/ |
| 09:38.58 | jnwhiteh | to get around the 200 quest limit |
| 09:39.02 | sylvanaar_work | masala chai |
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| 09:39.13 | doom0r | Stanzilla: 3.5 across r97x |
| 09:39.22 | kandarz | Ah, that's what I used to do before I started using the json list |
| 09:39.38 | jnwhiteh | I still do it because it works =) |
| 09:39.39 | kandarz | But the json only has ~6000 instead of 8000 |
| 09:39.52 | doom0r | r978 reverted aceaddon breakage |
| 09:39.54 | Stanzilla | doom0r: i meant the minor rev |
| 09:39.57 | Stanzilla | inside aceaddon |
| 09:40.53 | doom0r | er, ya |
| 09:40.59 | doom0r | 5, in all |
| 09:41.27 | Stanzilla | should be 6 then :p |
| 09:41.31 | jnwhiteh | runs the parser |
| 09:41.36 | jnwhiteh | lets see how much they fucked their markup =) |
| 09:41.39 | doom0r | only latest should have broken at all |
| 09:41.51 | jnwhiteh | my script pulls one quest at a time, I really need to parallelize this :P |
| 09:41.57 | doom0r | repackage now if using latest and you'll be fine |
| 09:41.58 | Stanzilla | the broken one was 5, I think |
| 09:42.07 | Stanzilla | so the reverted one should have 6 to not fuck up? |
| 09:42.08 | doom0r | only for 3 packages |
| 09:42.15 | doom0r | and they were alpha |
| 09:42.28 | mitch0 | the broken one was 6 |
| 09:42.43 | doom0r | -- @release $Id: AceAddon-3.0.lua 978 2010-10-27 00:04:36Z kaelten $ |
| 09:42.43 | doom0r | local MAJOR, MINOR = "AceAddon-3.0", 5 |
| 09:43.21 | mitch0 | that's not so good then |
| 09:43.30 | doom0r | mitch0: correct |
| 09:43.40 | jnwhiteh | luckily my fetcher is separate from my parser |
| 09:43.42 | doom0r | it was 6 |
| 09:43.48 | jnwhiteh | so once I have the data files, I can adjust my parser =) |
| 09:43.52 | doom0r | while borked |
| 09:43.59 | kandarz | jnwhiteh: you dump the fields into your own database I assume? |
| 09:44.20 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: everything is in Lua |
| 09:44.26 | jnwhiteh | so I wget the pages and store them 100% |
| 09:44.32 | jnwhiteh | then I parse them and build a quest databsae |
| 09:44.37 | jnwhiteh | that quest database has ALL quest information |
| 09:44.38 | kandarz | mines in php with mysql |
| 09:44.43 | jnwhiteh | could replicate the entire quest log |
| 09:44.53 | jnwhiteh | then I build the LH database from that |
| 09:45.06 | jnwhiteh | thankfully they still include commentson the page rather than making it another ajax call |
| 09:45.08 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:45.08 | mitch0 | me thinks it should be upped to 7... but it might still not fix the issue with minor 6, as the issue could be some lib-upgrade thing |
| 09:45.12 | kandarz | ohh, you cache the whole html |
| 09:45.18 | vhaarr | nev-mobile: did you see what Stanzilla just noticed, Kaelten reverted the minor rev as well |
| 09:45.18 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 09:45.23 | jnwhiteh | because of how often they break shit |
| 09:45.25 | vhaarr | nev-mobile: it needs to get bumped to 7 |
| 09:45.30 | jnwhiteh | and I dont want to have to re-fetch |
| 09:45.52 | nev-mobile | My phone isnt really good for svn. :P |
| 09:46.32 | vhaarr | [Ammo], Mikk: can you guys commit atm? |
| 09:47.00 | kandarz | interesting approach, I don't store quest text but I might end up having to. I'd really like to make EQ_QG release quality without Handynotes dependancy |
| 09:48.07 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: yeah I Have a 100% full quest database |
| 09:48.09 | jnwhiteh | which is a bit fun |
| 09:48.21 | jnwhiteh | so if people want a list of all quests that give you reputation, I can do that =) |
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| 09:49.05 | kandarz | can I sneak a peak? |
| 09:49.25 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: put it up on wowpedia? :) |
| 09:49.31 | jnwhiteh | hell no =) |
| 09:49.33 | jnwhiteh | its not my data |
| 09:49.34 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r979 AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: |
| 09:49.34 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.35 | Repo | AceAddon-3.0: bump minor so the reverted version actually gets used |
| 09:49.47 | jnwhiteh | i could probably get away with it, but no :P |
| 09:49.49 | nev-mobile | Hey it worked |
| 09:50.02 | nev-mobile | Ssh from phone to server, yay |
| 09:51.02 | mitch0 | hope "it worked" better then the last time you touched it ;) (meh, sorry) |
| 09:51.10 | jnwhiteh | kandarz: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282150/ |
| 09:51.12 | Repo | 10bank-items: 03yossa * r161 BankItems.lua: - cache lookup tables made public |
| 09:51.13 | Repo | - added hook point to enable search by itemName for 3rd party addons |
| 09:51.28 | vhaarr | quit whining, it's not like he tagged a release |
| 09:51.37 | mitch0 | imma not whining |
| 09:52.01 | jnwhiteh | that's the data that I get after parsing the raw html |
| 09:52.09 | jnwhiteh | then I take this and use this to build the LH data files |
| 09:52.31 | jnwhiteh | I wrote this parser while I was in Phoenix in the christmas of 2007 =) |
| 09:52.34 | jnwhiteh | and on the airplane back |
| 09:52.41 | jnwhiteh | because what existed prior to LH sucked :P |
| 09:52.56 | kandarz | Nothing existed prior to EQ |
| 09:53.04 | jnwhiteh | indeed :P |
| 09:53.30 | doom0r | <3's EQ |
| 09:54.12 | kandarz | you store a ton more data then I do, but not having to deal with SQL might be a nice change |
| 09:54.41 | jnwhiteh | Lua is an amazing data language |
| 09:54.46 | Mikk | not having to deal with SQL is almost always nice |
| 09:54.55 | jnwhiteh | all of wowprogramming.com is stored in Lua tables, backed by a mysql database |
| 09:55.49 | kandarz | I only know Lua as it pertains to WoW |
| 09:59.32 | kandarz | Do you delete your cached pages if you don't find them on wowhead? |
| 09:59.40 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean? |
| 09:59.43 | jnwhiteh | I don't really 'cache' |
| 09:59.47 | jnwhiteh | I do a full download of all quests |
| 09:59.53 | jnwhiteh | and then operate on that download |
| 09:59.59 | jnwhiteh | I do another full download the next time I parse |
| 10:00.04 | kandarz | You said you saved the html for when they break stuff |
| 10:00.21 | jnwhiteh | that just means I can adjust the parser and re-parse |
| 10:00.32 | jnwhiteh | so I can fix parsing/markup issues without needing to go back to their server at all |
| 10:00.33 | kandarz | gotcha |
| 10:01.46 | jnwhiteh | on Blade's Edge Mountains on my download :P |
| 10:02.26 | kandarz | are you on linux? |
| 10:02.45 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 10:02.46 | doom0r | i don't know if this is simply because i'm trying to break stuff or not (i assume the former), opening lh as fast as possible upon quest turn in gave a conflict with datastore_quests |
| 10:02.55 | Repo | 10shamanwarning: 03Silmano 04v1.2.7 * 6ea1230 /: [new tag, +1 commits] |
| 10:02.58 | jnwhiteh | the parser runs on wowprogramming.com |
| 10:03.02 | Silmano | Nice... now it works... |
| 10:03.05 | jnwhiteh | doom0r: that's a bit of a misnomer |
| 10:03.09 | jnwhiteh | the detection is really primitive |
| 10:03.12 | jnwhiteh | having debug enabled |
| 10:03.19 | jnwhiteh | and that section disabled will show you clearly when there is a problem |
| 10:03.26 | jnwhiteh | becuase you'll see UpdateFrame() being called over and over again |
| 10:03.32 | jnwhiteh | the question is just then WHY that is happening. |
| 10:07.27 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r272 / (6 files in 2 directories): ArkInventory: |
| 10:07.28 | Repo | - |
| 10:08.00 | doom0r | so, should i just be turning on the debug toggle? |
| 10:08.08 | doom0r | does that cover all? |
| 10:08.14 | Repo | 10ark-inventory: 03Arkayenro * r273 ArkInventory.lua: ArkInventory: |
| 10:08.15 | Repo | - |
| 10:08.41 | doom0r | rather, does that enable all debug messages completely? |
| 10:08.45 | jnwhiteh | it does |
| 10:08.49 | doom0r | k |
| 10:08.52 | jnwhiteh | but not all the ones you need are there. |
| 10:09.10 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 10:09.16 | doom0r | ya, i still can't break it again.... yet |
| 10:09.21 | jnwhiteh | after self:DebugF(1, "Updating the LightHeaded frame with qid %s", tostring(qid)) in UpdateFrame() |
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| 10:10.08 | jnwhiteh | if you add self:Debug(1, debugstack()) |
| 10:10.11 | nev-mobile | I would add in some debug stacks, but those are insanely spammy. :d |
| 10:10.22 | jnwhiteh | that'll tell you, each time the frame is updated, who CALLED that updateframe |
| 10:10.30 | jnwhiteh | and give the full stack trace of the call history |
| 10:14.47 | Megalon | omgomgomgomg Fisker |
| 10:14.55 | Megalon | fruitdealer vs fakeboxer |
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| 10:21.11 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): Initial Revision |
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| 10:34.37 | jnwhiteh | Dumped 8599 quests. |
| 10:34.56 | Wobin | hahaha http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/105308780/693655 |
| 10:35.06 | Wobin | (sotrue) |
| 10:35.58 | Megalon | gonna shieldslam that kneecap, hard!! |
| 10:37.38 | doom0r | kandarz: line 1310 chatframeeditbox |
| 10:37.52 | kandarz | what about it |
| 10:38.14 | doom0r | if ( IsModifiedClick("CHATLINK") and ChatFrameEditBox:IsVisible() ) then |
| 10:38.33 | doom0r | attempt to index global 'ChatFrameEditBox' (a nil value) |
| 10:40.53 | doom0r | -> ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow() |
| 10:41.00 | doom0r | i think |
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| 10:45.37 | Repo | 10everyquest: 03kandarz * r168 Core.lua: Fix Adding Chat links |
| 10:58.42 | doom0r | mm, almost dawn, time to sleep |
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| 11:08.15 | Repo | 10wowunit: 03feithar * r17 MockObject.lua: WoWUnit: |
| 11:08.16 | Repo | - Fixed error that would occur if a method was called on a mock object during replay when no methods had been previously recorded. |
| 11:17.35 | Repo | 10talented: 03chkid * r679 Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update |
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| 11:22.30 | Slayman | hey ho |
| 11:22.58 | Slayman | say Kennel, is it working after the change to companions? I pretty much loved it |
| 11:23.18 | Slayman | @project Kennel |
| 11:23.19 | Repo | Slayman: http://www.wowace.com/addons/kennel/. Kennel. Game: WoW. Tekkub (Manager/Author). Updated: 443 days ago |
| 11:23.35 | Slayman | a year ago, I'm not hopeful |
| 11:24.29 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 074.0.1 * r212 Classes/ViewSet.lua: FBagOfHolding: |
| 11:24.30 | Repo | - Cleaned up code in ViewSet.lua. |
| 11:53.04 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r87 / (14 files in 4 directories): big changes for new options table and localizations |
| 11:53.05 | Repo | also has Impact |
| 11:54.56 | Repo | 10mrunes: 03mangeg 07master * 1.13-4-g3610f8e Libs/modules.xml: [+1 commit] <Include../> -> <Script../> |
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| 11:58.15 | Adirelle|work | Slayman, still working fine there |
| 11:58.45 | mitch0 | adirelle: do I have to EnhanceDB on each profile change with LibDualSpec? |
| 11:59.18 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r88 : new svn:externals |
| 12:00.34 | mitch0 | adirelle: I got the following ticket: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bazooka/tickets/22-bt4-issue-bazooka-option-bug/ |
| 12:00.59 | mitch0 | adirelle: but I do :EnchanceDB in :OnInitialize()... |
| 12:03.12 | Repo | 10paparazzignome: 03Rabbit * r8 / (2 files in 1 directory): Update mobguid stuff for 4.0 and bump toc. |
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| 12:03.44 | Repo | 10rw2: 03mangeg 07master * bca24dc / (3 files in 3 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 12:03.45 | Repo | bca24dc: Change @project-revision@ to @project-version@ for Git. |
| 12:03.46 | Repo | 7ddb8f9: #RaidWatch_TotFW: \n Set the correct ID for Al'Akir |
| 12:03.47 | Repo | fb06a67: Code cleanup. |
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| 12:12.24 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r89 Scorchio2_Options/Scorchio2_Options.toc: fixed title color in stub |
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| 12:16.11 | Repo | 10libstatlogic-1-2: 03Whitetooth * r21 LibStatLogic-1.2/LibStatLogic-1.2.lua: - Fixed: Druid: Bear Form armor formula |
| 12:17.01 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r90 Scorchio2.lua: EnableAddOn calls, in case the user disables options |
| 12:20.51 | Repo | 10scorchio2: 03Morsker * r91 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 12:20.53 | Repo | moving svn:externals for Options/libs onto the Options folder itself |
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| 12:24.37 | mitch0 | they should be moved to /dev/null instead |
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| 12:32.26 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r137 Elephant.toc: fixing OptionalDeps and X-Embeds |
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| 12:35.27 | profalbert | @describe elephant |
| 12:35.28 | Repo | profalbert: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elephant/. Elephant. A friendly companion that remembers the chat. |
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| 12:36.12 | mitch0 | could someone tag the latest Ace3 (if it's in a working state) so I can build a new zip with the correct libs? |
| 12:36.34 | mitch0 | the b0rked version spread... |
| 12:37.04 | mitch0 | nev: ^^ ? |
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| 12:37.49 | nev-work | The broken version was not tagged, so no reason to tag this one |
| 12:38.12 | mitch0 | well, I fixed my part and changed .pkgmeta to grab latest tag |
| 12:38.18 | mitch0 | I'd like to keep it that way |
| 12:38.45 | mitch0 | but unfortunately the b0rked version is "out there", so I'd like to aid my users by providing a version that overrides that... |
| 12:38.51 | nev-work | Then your version is fine |
| 12:39.05 | mitch0 | as long as some other addon's version doesn't b0rk it... |
| 12:39.18 | mitch0 | would it really hurt to just tag it? |
| 12:39.42 | mitch0 | users of no-lib version could just update their Ace3 and be happy... |
| 12:40.44 | mitch0 | I can of course build yet again with alpha ace3 packed, but I'll forget to change that again and screw it up again... |
| 12:40.56 | Repo | 10expstats: 03cpw11 04v4.0.1c * 2459a70 /: [new tag] Tagging as v4.0.1c |
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| 12:44.22 | mitch0 | nev? please? |
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| 12:44.57 | nev-work | The packager is down anyway. :P |
| 12:45.29 | mitch0 | gah. you and your bloody reluctance and fake excuses |
| 12:45.36 | Torhal | It'd probably down because it's tired of giving all of these damn AddOns HEAD. |
| 12:45.40 | Torhal | hides. |
| 12:46.03 | Repo | 10expstats: 03cpw11 07master * v4.0.1d / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Add a findstrings call, so I can see which strings I'm missing |
| 12:46.09 | Repo | 10expstats: 03cpw11 04v4.0.1d * 74d752e /: [new tag] Tagging as v4.0.1d |
| 12:46.21 | quiescens | o.O |
| 12:47.59 | nev-work | There is an easy way for you to get the fixed version in your addon. It started with people using alphas, so it'll end with people using alphas. :P the fix is just not spreading because the packager has been down all day |
| 12:48.24 | mitch0 | torhal: you are my hero :) (re: wowi thread) |
| 12:48.38 | mitch0 | and nev is teh villain :( |
| 12:48.51 | Torhal | mitch0: It's simply amazing how blissfully and defensively ignorant people are. |
| 12:49.27 | mitch0 | *shrug* like I said some time ago, I stopped caring about them. |
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| 12:53.02 | Repo | 10libreforginginfo-1-0: 03emelio 07master * 1.0.1 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fix spirit reforgings, thanks lenmox! |
| 12:53.09 | Repo | 10libreforginginfo-1-0: 03emelio 041.0.1 * b618d42 /: [new tag] |
| 12:53.10 | Repo | - Fix spirit reforgings, thanks lenmox! |
| 12:54.59 | nev-work | In related news, the meeting today was moved to tomorrow, so i can go home on time, yay! |
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| 12:56.51 | Stanzilla | forums down again, too? |
| 12:57.00 | Stanzilla | what's breaking the new servers all the time? :( |
| 12:57.13 | nev-work | Forums work here |
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| 13:02.50 | Repo | 10reforgedtooltip: 03emelio 07master * 1.0.2 ReforgedTooltip.toc: [+1 commit] Version bump |
| 13:02.57 | Repo | 10reforgedtooltip: 03emelio 041.0.2 * c1b4939 /: [new tag] |
| 13:02.58 | Repo | - Fix spirit reforgings, thanks lenmox! |
| 13:03.26 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r138 / (2 files in 1 directory): - now pointing to xml files instead of lua in embeds.xml |
| 13:03.27 | Repo | - adding AceConfig-3.0 dependency |
| 13:05.20 | Repo | 10squire2: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0-beta-6-1-g91dbf44 / (3 files in 1 directory): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 13:05.21 | Repo | 91dbf44: Properly handle case where autoUnshift or autoDismount are disabled. |
| 13:05.22 | Repo | c4ffbf9: Safer loading of the configuration addon. |
| 13:05.26 | Repo | 892c22a: Fixed keybinding option (ticket #7), thanks to Phanx. |
| 13:05.27 | Repo | 9314b4a: Enable dragging from additional spell buttons. |
| 13:05.33 | Repo | 10squire2: 03Adirelle 041.0-beta-6 * b1d3c91 /: [new tag] Tagging as 1.0-beta-6 |
| 13:14.20 | Stanzilla | Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): Unknown error. |
| 13:21.37 | mitch0 | @project squire2 |
| 13:21.38 | Repo | mitch0: http://www.wowace.com/addons/squire2/. Squire2. Game: WoW. Adirelle (Manager/Author). Updated: 16 hours ago. Tickets: 1/7 |
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| 13:26.41 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r171 / (2 files in 1 directory): pull in latest ace3 alpha... |
| 13:33.14 | mojosdojo | @ping |
| 13:33.14 | Repo | pong |
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| 13:33.34 | mojosdojo | Packager down? |
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| 13:33.39 | mitch0 | yeah :( |
| 13:39.40 | Fisker | so who ruined my fontain? |
| 13:40.12 | Fisker | or rather |
| 13:40.24 | Parnic | the rebellion |
| 13:40.36 | Fisker | WHO WENT AHEAD AND WERE FREAKING JERKS TO RESET MY OUT OF DATE ADDONS ON A FREAKING HOTFIX PATCH? |
| 13:40.44 | Fisker | *rage* |
| 13:40.45 | nevcairiel | that was me |
| 13:40.50 | Parnic | methinks you don't know what hotfix means |
| 13:41.20 | Ackis | Fisker: I had the same anger |
| 13:41.24 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 13:41.28 | Fisker | i will have sex with you |
| 13:41.33 | Parnic | please don't |
| 13:42.02 | Fisker | then you'd best not interrupt my anger sessions with irrelevant details |
| 13:42.03 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:42.11 | Grum | you going emo again? |
| 13:42.26 | Fisker | emo? |
| 13:42.28 | Fisker | i never go emo |
| 13:42.34 | Parnic | i'll do what i want, fisker |
| 13:43.10 | Ackis | Parnic: I saw you in fable last night! |
| 13:43.12 | Ackis | you were a blue orb |
| 13:43.27 | Fisker | then i will have sex with you Parnic |
| 13:43.34 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 13:43.36 | Parnic | i tried to send you gold, ackis |
| 13:43.42 | Parnic | but it told me it failed |
| 13:43.42 | Fisker | Think we'll see Fable 3 on Steam? |
| 13:43.44 | Parnic | twice |
| 13:44.00 | Parnic | you're the biggest steam fanboy ever, fisker |
| 13:44.13 | Fisker | how so Parnic ? |
| 13:44.20 | Parnic | by being one |
| 13:44.34 | Fisker | how do you figure? |
| 13:44.45 | Parnic | mostly by thinking about it |
| 13:44.50 | Grum | because your name starts with a F |
| 13:44.51 | Ackis | Parnic: tonight if you play lets set up a business relationship... I set one up with a buddy of mine yesterday but I haven't got a dime out of it :( |
| 13:44.54 | Grum | its clear as that |
| 13:45.03 | Parnic | grum has a good point |
| 13:45.06 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 13:45.09 | Parnic | ackis: yeah sure thing. i should be around |
| 13:45.15 | Grum | flawless logic is flawless |
| 13:45.22 | Grum | fisker == emo steam fanboy |
| 13:45.24 | Fisker | Parnic admit it |
| 13:45.35 | Fisker | it's because i have 402 games on Steam right? |
| 13:45.39 | Parnic | since it's published by MGS, the likelihood of being on steam is super low :) |
| 13:45.45 | Parnic | MGS game + GFWL = unlikely Steam |
| 13:45.56 | Fisker | that's why i asked Parnic |
| 13:45.57 | Fisker | duh |
| 13:46.04 | Megalon | steam is the cancer killing something |
| 13:46.08 | Megalon | lets hope it kills Fisker |
| 13:46.10 | Parnic | and that's why i answered Fisker |
| 13:46.10 | Parnic | duh |
| 13:46.23 | Fisker | that doesn't make me a steam fanboy |
| 13:46.24 | Megalon | Fisker |
| 13:46.24 | Fisker | duh! |
| 13:46.27 | Megalon | stop being the idiot you are |
| 13:46.28 | Grum | Megalon: wtf .. you cant make jokes about |
| 13:46.29 | Megalon | and watch gsl |
| 13:46.31 | Grum | think of the cancer :( |
| 13:46.44 | Megalon | as i have to spoil soon! |
| 13:46.54 | Grum | better than soiling a spoon :p |
| 13:46.56 | Fisker | but wouldn't be funny if they released Fable 3 on Steam because their games on demand service is shit and won't sell very well? |
| 13:47.02 | Pneumatus | in related news, i love curse's unexpected error pages |
| 13:47.02 | *** join/#wowace Pneumatus (~WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus) |
| 13:47.07 | Pneumatus | and by love, i mean detest |
| 13:47.24 | Repo | 10fence: 03phyber 07master * v1.3-3-g58ef9a1 Modules/Clicks/Fence_Clicks.lua: [+1 commit] Fix clicks module. |
| 13:47.26 | Megalon | fable 3, is that a molyneux game? |
| 13:47.32 | Grum | Pneumatus: thats what she said? :( |
| 13:47.33 | Megalon | as in: it is shitty |
| 13:47.33 | Parnic | yes |
| 13:47.36 | Megalon | kk |
| 13:47.43 | Fisker | well played Megalon |
| 13:47.47 | Fisker | B&W1 was pretty ok though |
| 13:47.53 | Repo | 10ice-hud: 03Parnic * r720 modules (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 13:47.54 | Ackis | Parnic: how far did you get in Fable 3? |
| 13:47.55 | Repo | - fixed an error introduced in 1.7.2 where the playerinfo's dropdown menu was trying to use the target's data instead of the player's data |
| 13:47.56 | Megalon | i liked B&W yea |
| 13:47.57 | Repo | - prevented the issue coming up in the future for petinfo as well |
| 13:48.01 | Megalon | but his games are more like techdemos |
| 13:48.05 | Ackis | I kept getting my ass handed to me by the big caster dudes |
| 13:48.09 | Megalon | what carmac does with 3d engines |
| 13:48.16 | Megalon | he does with gameplay, kinda |
| 13:48.24 | Parnic | ackis: just after gaining sabine's trust. spent some time watching tv and whatnot after that :P |
| 13:48.36 | Megalon | but |
| 13:48.41 | Megalon | we need a new dungeon keeper fisker |
| 13:48.46 | Rokiyo | mmm fable3... i do need to get around to playing that |
| 13:48.51 | Ackis | ah |
| 13:48.54 | Megalon | everyone wants Horny back |
| 13:55.02 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/acegui-3-0-completing-editbox/. AceGUI-3.0-Completing-EditBox. Farmbuyer (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Ackis. |
| 13:55.11 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/archaeologyring/. ArchaeologyRing. pigmonkey (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Ackis. |
| 13:55.24 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_tolbarad/. Broker_TolBarad. iceeagle (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 13:58.15 | Ackis | laughs at ZOMGBuffs |
| 13:58.40 | Ackis | Fisker: why not on quakenet? |
| 13:59.28 | Ackis | @project grid |
| 13:59.30 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/grid/. Grid. Game: WoW. Pastamancer (Manager/Author), Maia (Author), Phanx (Author/Maintainer), Greltok (Maintainer). Updated: 10 hours ago. Tickets: 10/428 |
| 13:59.44 | Ackis | @project grid |
| 13:59.45 | Repo | Ackis: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/grid/. Grid. Game: WoW. Pastamancer (Manager/Author), Maia (Author), Phanx (Author/Maintainer), Greltok (Maintainer). Updated: 10 hours ago. Tickets: 10/428 |
| 13:59.48 | Ackis | magic! |
| 14:00.38 | Stanzilla | random? |
| 14:01.03 | Ackis | I HAVE THE POWER |
| 14:01.05 | Ackis | HE-MAN |
| 14:01.13 | sylvanaar_work | SKELATOR |
| 14:01.45 | sylvanaar_work | Ackis: why are you already beating me at everything in fable 3 |
| 14:01.46 | Ackis | :( |
| 14:01.53 | Ackis | I'm just that good? |
| 14:02.07 | sylvanaar_work | >:( |
| 14:02.28 | Stanzilla | why did you move it, Ackis :( |
| 14:02.32 | Ackis | I only played for 3-4 hours |
| 14:02.36 | sylvanaar_work | I think i killed more bats than you though |
| 14:02.40 | Ackis | Stanzilla: author request |
| 14:02.52 | Stanzilla | I wonder why |
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| 14:03.01 | Ackis | Stanzilla: packager is shit lately, and they wanted to get a release out and can't upload files to wowace |
| 14:03.34 | Stanzilla | Ackis: forums are shit lately, too |
| 14:03.45 | Stanzilla | getting Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): Unknown error. all the time |
| 14:03.57 | Stanzilla | no idea what that is :( |
| 14:04.10 | Ackis | post on the forums about it |
| 14:04.30 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=2eb6a4d203ffa292&hl=en |
| 14:04.36 | sylvanaar_work | Stanzilla: ^ |
| 14:04.38 | nevcairiel | stupid grid people, can't wait another hour until Kaelten shows up? ^ |
| 14:04.41 | mitch0 | who cares about the forums? I want a working packager :( |
| 14:05.01 | Ackis | my package works |
| 14:05.32 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: are you willing to tag a working Ace3 or should I pull latest alpha and hope it doesn't get messed up by the time the packager gets there? |
| 14:05.45 | mitch0 | (assuming packager comes to life, of course) |
| 14:05.50 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/professionsvault/. ProfessionsVault. oscarucb (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis. |
| 14:06.15 | nevcairiel | I have no reason to tag it until i fixed the bug that i was trying to fix yesterday |
| 14:06.43 | Ackis | nevcairiel: BT4 was broken yesterday until I fixed it by clicking "load out of date addons" |
| 14:06.46 | Ackis | :( |
| 14:06.51 | nevcairiel | Ackis: oh noes |
| 14:06.55 | Ackis | stupid patch is stupid |
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| 14:11.14 | mitch0 | nev: ok, I'll try to hit the packager at a safe moment then... |
| 14:12.33 | nevcairiel | I figured out the issue though |
| 14:12.36 | nevcairiel | It wasn't my change |
| 14:12.44 | nevcairiel | there is a general upgrading issue in AceAddon |
| 14:12.57 | nevcairiel | So, using your new version will not solve anything |
| 14:13.01 | nevcairiel | better wait until i fixed it :p |
| 14:13.03 | mitch0 | frakk |
| 14:13.16 | mitch0 | I was afraid of that... |
| 14:13.46 | mitch0 | well, could you first solve the upgrade thing, tag a realase then go on solving your other thing? :) |
| 14:14.00 | ShadniX | why using alpha version of libs in the first place? |
| 14:14.17 | sylvanaar_work | alphas are sexy |
| 14:14.32 | ShadniX | as long as they work, yes ;) |
| 14:14.38 | mitch0 | shadnix: there was some problem about the packager grabbing wrong tags at a time, and I changed .pkgmeta then to grab alhpas, then forgot to change it back. user error |
| 14:15.04 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/packager-issues/ |
| 14:15.10 | Repo | 10cosplay: 03phyber 07master * v1.3-1-g989ddf8 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] TOC bump. Fix errors when rotating character model. |
| 14:15.16 | Repo | 10cosplay: 03phyber 04v1.3.1 * ff1551d /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.3.1 |
| 14:16.10 | mitch0 | erm, if there's a workaround, then why isn't it applied? :) |
| 14:16.33 | Ackis | person that can do it is sleeping :P |
| 14:16.51 | mitch0 | automate! |
| 14:16.57 | mitch0 | create a meta packager |
| 14:17.02 | arkanes | I've been half thinking about writing my own packager |
| 14:17.13 | mitch0 | and a meta meta packager that applies the workaround when the meta packager dies |
| 14:17.25 | arkanes | or if the wowace one is public, at least running it locally |
| 14:17.27 | Stanzilla | Ackis: why is there still no restart button for other admins? :p |
| 14:18.08 | nevcairiel | arkanes: its public |
| 14:19.45 | Axodious | granted it's probably still under a lot of work, but wowpedia needs to fix the loading times :S |
| 14:20.13 | Axodious | takes 10+ seconds a click |
| 14:20.18 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r980 AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: AceAddon-3.0: |
| 14:20.19 | Repo | - Fix an library upgrade issue that always reset the modules enabled state |
| 14:20.20 | Repo | - Properly implemented ordered module loading |
| 14:20.24 | nevcairiel | wowpedia sits on curse servers as well |
| 14:20.27 | nevcairiel | its damn slow |
| 14:20.40 | nevcairiel | the new servers are either way overloaded, or misconfigured, or something |
| 14:20.48 | nevcairiel | I randomly get this curse backend server warning |
| 14:20.54 | Axodious | same |
| 14:20.54 | Megalon | nev, don't be so mean |
| 14:21.00 | Megalon | the servers are not slow |
| 14:21.05 | Megalon | they just think things through |
| 14:21.08 | Megalon | before they respond |
| 14:21.09 | Megalon | DURRRRRRRRRR |
| 14:21.15 | Ackis | nevcairiel: would it be a good idea to do something with Ace2 comm saying "if toc == 40000 do nothing"? |
| 14:21.30 | nevcairiel | Ackis: let it error, people will learn to use something else |
| 14:22.03 | Ackis | that's the other thing I was thinking about, but I don't want to learn to use something else :( |
| 14:22.06 | ShadniX | i learned to delete it *duck* |
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| 14:23.06 | Dark_Elf | mumbles would delete the whole thing lol |
| 14:23.28 | Ackis | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/2542-l10n-status-substitution-keyword/ |
| 14:24.27 | Megalon | yea, I'd love that too |
| 14:24.49 | Megalon | would help me to decide which addons to uninstall immediately |
| 14:25.03 | Ackis | @project ace2 |
| 14:25.04 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace2/. Ace2. Game: WoW. Kaelten (Manager/Author), Arrowmaster (Author), ckknight (Author), funkydude (Author), hyperactiveChipmunk (Author), Nevcairiel (Author), Rabbit (Author). Updated: 126 days ago |
| 14:25.16 | Ackis | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace2/reverse-relationships/ |
| 14:25.25 | Lysithea | fffffffffffffffff, did a mc run to help a friend out with the aq quest chain |
| 14:25.34 | Lysithea | ofcourse the eye drops |
| 14:25.41 | Lysithea | so now I gotta run that shit more |
| 14:25.43 | Lysithea | :| |
| 14:26.02 | Lysithea | i didnt want it to drop |
| 14:26.12 | Megalon | click item |
| 14:26.15 | Megalon | click worldframe |
| 14:26.18 | Megalon | type: DELETE |
| 14:26.19 | Megalon | hit enter |
| 14:26.24 | Lysithea | CANT DO IT |
| 14:26.26 | Lysithea | ORANGE |
| 14:26.27 | Lysithea | AAAH |
| 14:26.30 | Megalon | no need to bitch about it |
| 14:26.40 | Megalon | the eye is orange, no need to farm |
| 14:26.53 | Lysithea | i know |
| 14:26.56 | Lysithea | but im stupid like that |
| 14:27.00 | Lysithea | have to complete stuff |
| 14:27.06 | Lysithea | so ill do it anyway |
| 14:27.09 | Megalon | oh, achievementwhore, i get it |
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| 14:27.17 | Megalon | ackis, your part! |
| 14:27.19 | Megalon | ;< |
| 14:27.21 | Lysithea | I hate achievements, but I still do them :( |
| 14:27.30 | Megalon | that's why you are an achievementwhore :) |
| 14:27.31 | Ackis | what part? |
| 14:27.41 | Megalon | it's those who don't stop |
| 14:27.45 | Megalon | when it ain't fun anymore |
| 14:28.18 | Lysithea | you're so right it hurts :| |
| 14:28.40 | Dark_Elf | only uses 2 addons that use ace2, ebb, and professionsbook, hopefully next year they will get ace3ifyed lol |
| 14:28.49 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r981 changelog.txt: Update changelog |
| 14:28.57 | Ackis | Elkano: update EBB to use Ace3 pls |
| 14:29.12 | Megalon | get the gun ackis |
| 14:29.15 | Megalon | this has to be done quick! |
| 14:29.42 | Repo | 10ace3: 03Nevcairiel 04Release-r981 * r982 : Tag as Release-r981 |
| 14:30.17 | Ackis | shouldn't it be release 982? |
| 14:30.28 | nevcairiel | I tagged 981 |
| 14:30.37 | nevcairiel | which then became 982 |
| 14:30.41 | nevcairiel | just splitting hairs :p |
| 14:30.48 | Dark_Elf | well there was a 3rd addon called autobar but toad quit and other guy i doubt will ever get all the ace2 out, autobar actually uses both ace2 and ace3 quite a mess |
| 14:33.06 | Repo | 10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 4.4.11-6-g679b2c9 Bartender4.lua: [+1 commit] Replace all single quotes with double quotes. |
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| 14:34.12 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r172 .pkgmeta: yay, new ace3 release, revert the alpha-grabbing |
| 14:34.14 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth * r309 / (2 files in 1 directory): - Rating conversion support for Reforge Frame |
| 14:34.58 | nevcairiel | mitch0: see, thats why i don't just tag stuff, i like to find the root cause of the issue, because my change could've never caused it |
| 14:35.21 | mitch0 | nev: thanks for the fix |
| 14:35.30 | mitch0 | hope it works *wink* |
| 14:35.31 | Dark_Elf | that reverse relationships link isnt actually true about ace2 cause for instance jebusmail is ace3 now, imagine the link also grabs ace2 word from like description on page or something |
| 14:35.50 | nevcairiel | it only picks up on stuff when you tag a release |
| 14:36.18 | Ackis | http://www.1milliongamerscore.com/ <-- that guy is an achievement whore :P |
| 14:36.37 | nevcairiel | reverse relationships might actually only update when the addon in question is changed |
| 14:36.44 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth 041.6.1 * r310 : (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 14:36.45 | Repo | 1.6.1 |
| 14:36.47 | Repo | - New: Rating conversion support for Reforge UI |
| 14:36.47 | nevcairiel | so, the ace2 list will probably never update, heh |
| 14:36.48 | Repo | - Fixed: Druid: Bear Form armor formula |
| 14:36.49 | Repo | - Added: Dalaran Brilliance: Spell Power increased by 6% |
| 14:37.13 | nevcairiel | Or its supposed to be handled by the same script that builds the search index |
| 14:37.17 | nevcairiel | which hasnt worked for month |
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| 14:37.18 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 14:37.38 | Ackis | wait what? |
| 14:37.46 | Ackis | what script has been broken? |
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| 14:38.38 | nevcairiel | didnt you notice that you cannot find any new projects on the wowace search? |
| 14:39.25 | Ackis | I never search |
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| 14:39.32 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 043.0.1-alpha * r139 : Tagging as 3.0.1-alpha |
| 14:39.51 | Stanzilla | the www.com bug is worse |
| 14:40.16 | nevcairiel | never happens to me, i don't use http://wowace.com :p |
| 14:40.21 | Ackis | you get that Stanzilla? I thought that was me |
| 14:41.25 | nevcairiel | If they really don't have the time to maintain wowace's code anymore, they really should allow us to take care of our page =( |
| 14:42.04 | Stanzilla | Ackis: yeah, damn annoying |
| 14:42.05 | Dark_Elf | ugh oh someone is working on it |
| 14:42.29 | nevcairiel | looks like the whole server with repo and whatnot on is restarting |
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| 14:42.51 | Dark_Elf | good maybe curse client will show some new addons lol |
| 14:42.53 | nevcairiel | and the packager is working |
| 14:43.55 | Ackis | I just texted Kaelten about 5 minutes ago nevcairiel, was waiting for him to show up online |
| 14:44.17 | nevcairiel | seems to have worked, its working now |
| 14:44.49 | Dark_Elf | hmm nope |
| 14:44.51 | Ackis | I'm good at stalking I guess |
| 14:45.05 | Dark_Elf | still not getting rating-buster update |
| 14:45.13 | Megalon | that's what you call it when you send your nekkid pics to kaelten? |
| 14:45.17 | nevcairiel | it takes a while to process all addons |
| 14:46.06 | nevcairiel | there was a backlog of over 50 addons or so |
| 14:46.07 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: hey |
| 14:46.11 | nevcairiel | that'll be half an hour |
| 14:46.18 | Kaelten | I heard multiple reports of the last revision you did breaking things |
| 14:46.32 | Kaelten | so I rolled it back until it could be confirmed |
| 14:46.36 | nevcairiel | It wasnt my change breaking, there was an upgrade bug in AceAddon |
| 14:46.43 | nevcairiel | so, any change would've caused it |
| 14:46.55 | nevcairiel | i blame [Ammo] |
| 14:47.08 | Kaelten | ah |
| 14:47.20 | Kaelten | lovely |
| 14:47.23 | nevcairiel | i fixed it and tagged a new release |
| 14:47.28 | Kaelten | good |
| 14:47.38 | Kaelten | sidenote why did you do change the way modules loaded? |
| 14:47.54 | nevcairiel | because they are supposed to load in the order they are registered in |
| 14:47.57 | nevcairiel | not randomly |
| 14:48.29 | nevcairiel | I implemented that a bit different to last nights version now, though |
| 14:49.02 | Repo | 10grim-reaper: 03Zeksie * r87 / (8 files in 2 directories): Ace3'ified. Let me know if I cocked up any libs etc.. |
| 14:50.08 | orofar | is there any persistent method to password chat channels? |
| 14:50.23 | nevcairiel | password is lost when the last person leaves |
| 14:50.40 | nevcairiel | so, don't leave! |
| 14:50.40 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:54.20 | quiescens | orofar: you're practically better off just naming the channel (name)(short password) and just changing it if it ever gets lost |
| 14:55.29 | *** join/#wowace pb_ee1 (~nospam@122.177.241.55) |
| 14:55.48 | pb_ee1 | I've made some commits & tagged my repository but cannot find any new files in the files of my project |
| 14:55.53 | pb_ee1 | Is the packager down? |
| 14:56.06 | Parnic|Work | pb_ee1: www.wowace.com/packager/ |
| 14:56.08 | nevcairiel | it was down |
| 14:56.13 | nevcairiel | its working now, but has some backlog |
| 14:56.16 | nevcairiel | will be a few minutes |
| 14:56.20 | pb_ee1 | Obviously |
| 14:56.31 | pb_ee1 | Okay, sorry didn't know the url given by Parnic. Thanks ! |
| 14:56.35 | steev | boo |
| 14:56.41 | steev | i can't get my mastery any higher |
| 14:56.42 | Xinhuan | this recurring packager problem hopefully will get fixed |
| 14:57.15 | nevcairiel | today was a new problem though |
| 14:57.16 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 14:57.47 | pb_ee1 | Meh... I tagged the repo for nothing hehe ;p |
| 14:57.57 | pb_ee1 | Not a big issue though |
| 14:58.16 | pb_ee1 | I'm gonna do a boom. |
| 14:58.55 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 043.0.1-alpha * r140 : removing unwanted tag |
| 14:59.06 | Repo | 10grim-reaper: 03Zeksie * r88 / (6 files in 2 directories): And fix lapse in brain functionality. |
| 15:00.02 | steev | I have 41% increased frost damage |
| 15:01.06 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r141 Initialize.lua: adding quite useless message for versioning perpose |
| 15:03.10 | Repo | 10libactionbutton-1-0: 03Nevcairiel 07master * 0.6 LibActionButton-1.0.lua: [+1 commit] Add a bunch of callbacks. |
| 15:03.16 | Repo | 10libactionbutton-1-0: 03Nevcairiel 040.6 * 8f801ce /: [new tag] Tag as 0.6 |
| 15:03.48 | Repo | 10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 044.4.13 * 45b343f /: [new tag] Tag as 4.4.13 |
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| 15:13.06 | Slayman | were you aware that there are new jokes from the commoners during Hallows End? |
| 15:13.45 | Slayman | the Trolls in OG next to the flightmaster are making fun of gnomes like "*cry* I don't have a capital ci... oh wait" awesome!!!! |
| 15:14.43 | nevcairiel | trolls dont have one yet either |
| 15:15.17 | Slayman | nevcairiel: the joke is in the "aborted sentence + Oh wait!" hinting at retaking GR ! |
| 15:15.42 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r173 Bazooka_Options/Options.lua: add option to sort disabled plugins at the end of the list |
| 15:17.06 | Parnic|Work | mitch0: bazooka update is pretty cool. happy to have icons in the plugin config, right-click on the bar to open options, etc. |
| 15:17.09 | Parnic|Work | overall improved experience :) |
| 15:17.31 | pb_ee1 | If I want to display an icon/minimap icon on fubar, is the best practice into using libdatabroker or libfubarplugin? |
| 15:17.43 | Pneumatus | OH LAWD NOT FUBAR |
| 15:17.47 | nevcairiel | fubar is dead |
| 15:17.51 | pb_ee1 | d'oh |
| 15:17.53 | Pneumatus | if you just want an icon, libdbicon |
| 15:17.54 | nevcairiel | use libdatabroker |
| 15:17.57 | Pneumatus | or whatever its called |
| 15:18.04 | nevcairiel | if someone wants to use it on fubar, they can use Broker2FuBar |
| 15:18.12 | pb_ee1 | libdatabroker then, woki |
| 15:18.12 | sylvanaar_work | libdbicon works |
| 15:18.25 | Pneumatus | libdbicon is a pain in the ass |
| 15:18.27 | pb_ee1 | what's the replacement of fubar btw (not using it since... woah! can't remember) |
| 15:18.46 | Ackis | titan panel |
| 15:18.49 | Ackis | broker |
| 15:18.51 | Slayman | bazooka |
| 15:18.55 | Pneumatus | there are lots of widely accepted broker displays, of which my favorite is Bazooka, which is a direct fubar replacement |
| 15:19.07 | pb_ee1 | Woki :) |
| 15:19.08 | Ackis | I think I'm using fortress |
| 15:19.14 | nevcairiel | fortress here too |
| 15:19.15 | Parnic|Work | chocalatebar, dockingdisplay |
| 15:19.15 | pb_ee1 | And why do yo usay LibDBIcon is a PITA? |
| 15:19.20 | Slayman | I can chime in Bazooka is a sweet Brokerdisplay/launcher |
| 15:19.54 | durcyn | libdbicon is better than all other forms of minimap herpes |
| 15:20.04 | Pneumatus | libdbicon is a pain in the ass because embedding a micro-display is bloody annoying... |
| 15:20.31 | nevcairiel | It doesnt show anything that didnt ask to be shown explicitly |
| 15:20.34 | nevcairiel | i dont see your issue =p |
| 15:20.45 | Pneumatus | most addons code to show the herpes by default |
| 15:20.58 | Pneumatus | and even worse when they save herpes preference in per-char profiles |
| 15:21.02 | nevcairiel | Of course, we cannot assume the user is running a broker display |
| 15:21.03 | pb_ee1 | Yeah I can't see an issue here |
| 15:21.13 | durcyn | and you'd rather go back to the bad old days when that minimap shit was the only display they provided, and it wasn't toggleable? |
| 15:21.32 | Pneumatus | no, i think that if users want minimap herpes they should have a herpes display |
| 15:21.36 | pb_ee1 | So data used by AceConfig and LDB are totally unrelated right? |
| 15:21.36 | Pneumatus | that they choose to install |
| 15:21.39 | Ackis | I hate herpes |
| 15:21.40 | durcyn | default per-char profiles are annoying, but that's hardly libdbicon's fault |
| 15:21.48 | nevcairiel | And i store the config in the same profile as the addons config :d |
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| 15:21.58 | nevcairiel | you configure addon, you configure minimap icon |
| 15:22.09 | pb_ee1 | Sure |
| 15:22.14 | durcyn | i owe someone a punch in the shoulder for that bit of profile nonsense in ace3 |
| 15:22.17 | pb_ee1 | That makes sens anyway |
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| 15:22.32 | pb_ee1 | durcyn: in Ace2 as well iirc :D |
| 15:23.02 | pb_ee1 | Why does AceDB-3.0 don't use the SavedVariablesPerChar Blizzard functionality anymore? Just curious |
| 15:23.11 | Morwrath | Anyones' Blizzcon not allowing them to replay the WOW Class Q&A |
| 15:23.15 | nevcairiel | no need to use it |
| 15:23.26 | Pneumatus | SVPC is only useful in cases when you would NEVER want any other char using the same data, or you have size restrictions |
| 15:23.42 | Pneumatus | like Recount's recorded data |
| 15:24.05 | pb_ee1 | well I'm exactly in that case, lol |
| 15:24.18 | Pneumatus | acedb can use SVPC if you want it to |
| 15:24.25 | pb_ee1 | size restriction & never want any other char using the same data |
| 15:24.27 | pb_ee1 | ha? |
| 15:24.29 | pb_ee1 | Shoot |
| 15:24.36 | pb_ee1 | Didn't see it |
| 15:24.48 | Pneumatus | you tell it what global it's gonna use, just pass the SVPC name rather than the SV name |
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| 15:25.00 | durcyn | why even use acedb for it? just set the global in your toc and go to town |
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| 15:25.24 | Pneumatus | but yeh, chances are you don't need to use acedb for it anyway |
| 15:25.46 | durcyn | not like you should be using SVPC to store profiles or configs |
| 15:25.55 | pb_ee1 | Well I still need to use it for default database initialization and global config of addon |
| 15:26.15 | Pneumatus | config should be in the top SV file rly |
| 15:26.49 | Pneumatus | use the main SV for config, and use SVPC for char-specific data |
| 15:27.00 | pb_ee1 | yup |
| 15:27.10 | pb_ee1 | Cool, I see how I can do that |
| 15:27.13 | pb_ee1 | Good newzee. |
| 15:27.54 | Pneumatus | power auras makes me angry for using SVPC :< |
| 15:28.06 | Stanzilla | use weakauras already |
| 15:28.23 | Pneumatus | weakauras are too weak, they need more power |
| 15:28.38 | Stanzilla | what's missing? |
| 15:28.45 | Pneumatus | screenshots on the project page, to start |
| 15:29.13 | durcyn | you're the kind of user people hate, btw =P |
| 15:29.53 | Parnic|Work | i.e. he's a user |
| 15:30.03 | Pneumatus | yeh, i can understand why a user wanting to see what an addon that is 100% designed to provide graphical reprensentations of things in-game would be considered over-demanding |
| 15:30.20 | Parnic|Work | ackis: TA finally scanned me again |
| 15:30.27 | Parnic|Work | ackis: and raptr isn't updating achievements any more |
| 15:30.52 | durcyn | nah, i meant the "it sucks" bits instead of saying how or why it may or may not actually suck |
| 15:31.19 | Pneumatus | i've got no idea if it sucks, i'm unwilling to try it because there are no screenshots of it |
| 15:32.27 | Pneumatus | it does, however, suck, because it provides it's own "SharedMedia" and "SharedMediaAdditionalFonts" top folders |
| 15:33.08 | Ackis | Parnic|Work: you're parnic on Raptr? |
| 15:33.41 | Ackis | XBL achievement tracking is currently unavailable. Presence tracking is back. We have also just released a new PC client with fixes for Xbox Live. You can get the new version by exiting raptr and restarting. We are still working on achievement tracking, and will post further announcements as we make progress. Thanks for your patience! |
| 15:34.01 | Parnic|Work | ackis: yeah |
| 15:34.14 | Parnic|Work | i don't use their pc client. serves no real purpose for me |
| 15:34.46 | Pneumatus | also, it includes PA's media but PA appears to be ARR yet WA is GPL2 |
| 15:35.13 | Parnic|Work | and apparently raptr doesn't accept transparent png's for profile pictures. fail. |
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| 15:37.41 | Parnic|Work | i guess i need to run the raptr client to make it update my way-outdated characters |
| 15:37.54 | harl | i need an addon that works throughout the internet to smash people showing bad behaviour, especially trolls. |
| 15:39.02 | Ackis | Parnic: either you just added me or I already had you as a friend lol |
| 15:39.11 | Parnic|Work | you added me a few days ago |
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| 15:39.52 | Ackis | don't remember doing it, must be my old age |
| 15:40.31 | Parnic|Work | "Hi Parnic, Ackis ([real name]) just joined Raptr and Raptr connected you two as friends since both of you are already xbox friends!" |
| 15:40.37 | Parnic|Work | 10/23 :P |
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| 15:40.56 | Parnic|Work | it's magick |
| 15:41.00 | Ackis | ah magick! |
| 15:41.52 | Repo | 10easy-button (experimental): 03ulic * r10 EasyButton.lua: Use raid class colors and spell links in assignment message |
| 15:43.38 | Parnic|Work | you should get super meat boy so i can trounce you on the leaderboards. |
| 15:43.52 | Ackis | I have it |
| 15:43.57 | Ackis | I just haven't loaded it up yet |
| 15:44.39 | Ackis | I think I have 10-15 xbla I haven't played yet |
| 15:45.39 | Parnic|Work | lol |
| 15:45.45 | Parnic|Work | modded box or are you just moneybags? |
| 15:46.11 | Ackis | I just buy them when they come on sale for the dotw, or win them from twitter |
| 15:46.32 | Parnic|Work | do you have a bot winning them from twitter? i can never redeem any codes that get posted |
| 15:46.32 | Ackis | I haven't pirated software/games since I got a fulltime jobs :P |
| 15:46.43 | Ackis | nah I just get luck some times |
| 15:46.45 | Parnic|Work | i've tried to win so many codes off twitter... |
| 15:46.54 | Ackis | I won one from MajorNelson once |
| 15:47.01 | Ackis | last week I won Jenga lol |
| 15:47.30 | Parnic|Work | heh |
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| 15:47.42 | harl | never wins anything anyway. |
| 15:47.58 | Ackis | I won a copy of halo odst from gamestop/eb games on facebook lol |
| 15:48.35 | Ackis | Parnic|Work: https://twitter.com/#!/gameinterface/status/28901608352 for example |
| 15:48.44 | Ackis | they aren't first redeem first win ones |
| 15:48.48 | Ackis | just random draws |
| 15:48.57 | Ackis | I actually won general knoxx DLC for borderlands that way |
| 15:49.09 | Parnic|Work | yeah, but dream chronicles sucks :P |
| 15:49.14 | Ackis | and I won a DLC pack of guns for borderlands when it first released from 2kgames |
| 15:49.24 | Ackis | I'm just saying, it's an example of how you can win :P |
| 15:49.49 | Parnic|Work | i have two spare DLC4 keys for borderlands that i never gave out |
| 15:50.07 | Ackis | that's the claptrap one? |
| 15:50.11 | Parnic|Work | yeah |
| 15:50.19 | Ackis | feel free to give one to me ;) |
| 15:50.21 | Parnic|Work | i haven't even fired it up myself |
| 15:50.35 | Ackis | yeah I'm waiting for the level patch |
| 15:50.59 | Stanzilla | wat wat free keys? :D |
| 15:51.13 | Parnic|Work | didn't i give you a pc borderlands key? |
| 15:51.33 | Ackis | not me? |
| 15:51.37 | Parnic|Work | no, Stanzilla |
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| 15:51.56 | Ackis | ah |
| 15:52.02 | Stanzilla | yes you did, thanks again :) |
| 15:52.19 | Parnic|Work | then you've gotten your free stuff already! :P |
| 15:52.34 | Parnic|Work | buy a dlc so i can afford dinner for my wife! :P |
| 15:52.37 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 15:57.12 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r142 / (8 files in 1 directory): - Adding AceGUI-3.0 |
| 15:57.13 | Repo | - Adding back database per character, mandatory due to huge amount of saved data |
| 15:57.29 | Torhal | Pneumatus: Link, please? It shouldn't be hard-embedding SharedMedia |
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| 15:59.02 | Stanzilla | it embeds the additionalfonts stuff, too |
| 16:00.09 | Ackis | Parnic|Work: did you pick up any other games as well yesterday? |
| 16:00.52 | Torhal | Pneumatus, Stanzilla: Ok, it doesn't actually embed - it pulls them in from .pkgmeta |
| 16:01.13 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 16:01.47 | Stanzilla | still bad |
| 16:01.49 | Torhal | That's just as shitty |
| 16:01.49 | Ackis | derp Torhal |
| 16:01.50 | Stanzilla | damn 6mb download :D |
| 16:01.51 | Torhal | Yah |
| 16:02.38 | nevcairiel | If it wants to insist on having them, it should set a dependency, so the CC loads them |
| 16:02.43 | nevcairiel | instead of that shit ^ |
| 16:02.44 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r474 XPerl.lua: |
| 16:02.45 | Repo | Hide the SetFocus menu option. It'll never work in it's current state, and this just removes temptation to press it. Recommend binding a key to setfocus (Ctrl-F for example). |
| 16:04.55 | *** part/#wowace Slayman (~dejhap08@84.46.34.153) |
| 16:05.16 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I just marked it as Changes Required and told him it was uncool - code his shit to optionally use it and tell his users to download it if they want the extra functionality |
| 16:05.47 | Torhal | That's a mini-UI pack, the way he's doing it now. |
| 16:07.00 | Stanzilla | yay Torhal \o |
| 16:07.08 | Humbedooh | who we bitching at? |
| 16:08.12 | Torhal | Humbedooh: Mirrormn... |
| 16:09.23 | Stanzilla | now you added emo dots and he didn't get a highlight :( |
| 16:09.43 | Humbedooh | zomg he stoles stuff :o |
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| 16:10.16 | ccKep | whats wrong with blizzard pushing 4.0.1a without updating the tools.... that launcher play button is HELL |
| 16:11.41 | nevcairiel | who cares about the button |
| 16:11.44 | nevcairiel | ingame issues got fixed |
| 16:15.24 | kagaro | anyone else getting randomly corrupted icons? |
| 16:15.44 | durcyn | did they fix the tame beast bug with that patch? |
| 16:15.52 | kagaro | it started since this patch |
| 16:16.10 | durcyn | oh, joy |
| 16:17.21 | steev | they haven't fixed inspect yet |
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| 16:25.30 | sylvanaar_work | "Gnomes are evil" |
| 16:26.49 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r475 XPerl_Target/XPerl_Target.lua: |
| 16:26.50 | Repo | Fix talent inspect C stack overflow when LibTalentQuery is present but LibGroupTalents is not. |
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| 16:30.43 | durcyn | this is why i don't use prat =P |
| 16:31.09 | sylvanaar_work | ? |
| 16:31.29 | durcyn | the author is a racist. |
| 16:31.48 | sylvanaar_work | im quoting the fable 3 strategy guide |
| 16:32.31 | Parnic|Work | ackis: no, no more new games yet. i was thinking about rock band 3 with the real guitar stuff but since the guitars aren't available yet i didn't pick it up |
| 16:33.58 | Ackis | I picked up the new star wars as well |
| 16:34.19 | durcyn | Ackis: get the wii version, keep my friends at red fly employed |
| 16:34.54 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r476 XPerl_Player/XPerl_Player.lua: Address issue with RuneMaster addon. |
| 16:35.14 | Parnic|Work | durcyn: how smash bros-esque is the wii version's multiplayer? |
| 16:35.16 | Ackis | ewww wii |
| 16:35.34 | durcyn | Parnic|Work: haven't tried it yet |
| 16:35.37 | Parnic|Work | keeping in mind that a group of us have played smash bros every single week day for the past 2 years or so :P |
| 16:36.30 | sylvanaar_work | Ackis: I has the fable 3 strat guide now, I'm going to take you on |
| 16:37.03 | Ackis | sylvanaar_work: did you get a DLC code in it? :P |
| 16:37.11 | sylvanaar_work | a what? |
| 16:37.23 | Ackis | there's a downloadable code |
| 16:37.24 | sylvanaar_work | oh wow I did |
| 16:37.30 | sylvanaar_work | for a tattoo |
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| 16:42.31 | Slayman | I think I'm saving up all my series' episodes until my pre-xmas-cata vacation i case of boredom or being sick of WoW. That's a good plan! |
| 16:45.18 | nevcairiel | and when you're not bored, and all busy with WoW, then you have a serious tv backlog! |
| 16:46.07 | SunTsu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.20 | nevcairiel | When i'm really bored, i just rewatch some of the good stuff |
| 16:47.33 | Slayman | nevcairiel: there is ALWAYS the obligatory summerbreak for me catch up, I quit CSI and WH13 is on break and maybe Heroes is finished for good so It#s not that heavy |
| 16:47.57 | nevcairiel | heroes is dead, finally |
| 16:48.14 | Slayman | nevcairiel: I do that too with special episodes, or if I#m REALLY bored there#s always Hackers and the rest of my DVD collection : |
| 16:48.17 | SunTsu | ir is? bummer |
| 16:48.26 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r477 / (5 files in 1 directory): |
| 16:48.27 | Repo | Un-localised someone's new talent detection spells for cleansings. Naughty people. You need to use GetSpellInfo() :) |
| 16:48.29 | nevcairiel | only the first season was really watchable anyway |
| 16:48.34 | SunTsu | s/ir/it/ |
| 16:48.42 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r143 / (6 files in 1 directory): - now using libdatabroker instead of libfubarplugin |
| 16:48.43 | Repo | - updating TOC optionaldeps and x-embeds |
| 16:48.44 | Repo | - some cleanup |
| 16:48.45 | Repo | - adding back configuration using AceConfig |
| 16:48.50 | Slayman | Heroes went from multiple nerdgasmic Season 1 constantly downward |
| 16:48.57 | Shefki | Parnic|Work: Ask ckknight he wrote that code, but it's fine with me. |
| 16:49.05 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I liked them all, maybe that's my X-Men weak spot |
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| 16:50.14 | Slayman | SunTsu: I'm a sucker for Superheroes as well, but that Season 1 was like the best shit I have ever seen could hardly wait for the next ep back then, but it got really really bad if you measure it by it#s first season |
| 16:51.08 | nevcairiel | supernatural is of course still on |
| 16:51.15 | Slayman | had they have ended after the first season, It might have been one of the best shows of all time |
| 16:51.40 | nevcairiel | the best shows of all time don't end after one season |
| 16:51.43 | Slayman | like Prison break, first season Killer, 2nd Season ok to good and downward from there |
| 16:52.17 | Fisker | omg Megalon |
| 16:52.20 | Slayman | Firefly : best SciFi show ever |
| 16:52.33 | sylvanaar_work | BSG > Firefly |
| 16:52.45 | nevcairiel | Farscape > BSG > Firefly |
| 16:52.49 | Megalon | l2watch babylon5 |
| 16:53.06 | Slayman | bsg? |
| 16:53.11 | sylvanaar_work | die |
| 16:53.13 | Megalon | the one with the girl |
| 16:53.17 | Megalon | that voices kerrigan |
| 16:53.20 | ulic | Alf > Farscape > BSG > Firefly |
| 16:53.24 | ulic | LOL! |
| 16:53.25 | Megalon | else there is no reason to watch i think |
| 16:53.35 | nevcairiel | I got BSG on bluray, didnt re-watch the series yet though |
| 16:53.42 | Megalon | it's just another "mute to enjoy" sci-fi show |
| 16:53.42 | Slayman | battlestar galactica revamp? |
| 16:53.49 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r144 / (3 files in 1 directory): Adding CallbackHandler, required by LibDataBroker |
| 16:53.49 | Megalon | yes |
| 16:53.53 | sylvanaar_work | i watched the series end to end at least 5 times |
| 16:53.56 | Slayman | ah k didn't watch didn't strike my fancy sry |
| 16:54.25 | Slayman | still Firefly my all time fave (matter of personal taste) |
| 16:54.49 | Slayman | Farscape don't know stopped somewhere after the ship gave birth |
| 16:54.53 | SunTsu | I can't seem to get the kick out of Firefly, watched 3 episodes and found it boring |
| 16:54.58 | nevcairiel | i got most of the alltime scifi awesomeness on bluray or dvd, farscape, b5, sg1, bsg .. i should get firefly some day |
| 16:55.13 | Ackis | lol alf |
| 16:55.16 | Slayman | nevcairiel: you realy should |
| 16:55.18 | sylvanaar_work | i liked the movie though |
| 16:55.22 | sylvanaar_work | serenity |
| 16:55.35 | Slayman | it#s like the series |
| 16:55.39 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 16:55.44 | Slayman | only with more ending |
| 16:56.17 | sylvanaar_work | "i am a leaf on the wind, watch me as i soar!" |
| 16:56.32 | nevcairiel | You should watch castle =p |
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| 16:56.39 | Slayman | nevcairiel: I do |
| 16:57.10 | Slayman | nevcairiel: that halloween episodes start last year literally blew my socks off! |
| 16:57.30 | nevcairiel | his space cowboy costume? :d |
| 16:57.47 | Slayman | his ORIGINAL Mal' reynolds outfit°! |
| 16:57.57 | Slayman | and the dialogue with his daughter |
| 16:58.06 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: forum does the "bag gateway" dance again |
| 16:58.09 | Slayman | had to watch it like 5 times |
| 16:58.23 | Humbedooh | and wru reward points! |
| 16:58.31 | nevcairiel | there is tons of references, its always awesome |
| 16:59.00 | Slayman | it's why I love crossovers, they are always a highlight in my boo |
| 16:59.02 | Slayman | k |
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| 16:59.57 | nevcairiel | seriously, i need 200 more points to get a gift cert, and now the point generation craps out? :P |
| 17:00.24 | sylvanaar_work | i hate it when you are like 10 pts shy or something |
| 17:00.39 | nevcairiel | your 10 are my 200, muhaha |
| 17:00.51 | Megalon | your 200 are my 4683, muahahah |
| 17:01.03 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 17:01.36 | nevcairiel | I hope it works tomorrow again |
| 17:01.40 | nevcairiel | i wanted to order on friday |
| 17:01.42 | Rokiyo | hey sylvanaar, are there special circumstances under which jump to definition will work in the lua plugin for idea? i'm absolutely loving the plugin, but i'm having trouble figuring that particular feature out |
| 17:01.56 | sylvanaar_work | has to be a local |
| 17:02.09 | sylvanaar_work | (blue color) |
| 17:02.15 | Rokiyo | ahh i see, so no jumping into libraries/etc |
| 17:02.19 | Rokiyo | cool, thanks |
| 17:02.20 | sylvanaar_work | right |
| 17:02.25 | nevcairiel | that would be so awesome |
| 17:02.30 | nevcairiel | also, so impossible to write |
| 17:02.44 | Rokiyo | why impossible? |
| 17:02.59 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, resolving globals is tricky - im not tackling it until after I release 1.0 |
| 17:03.27 | nevcairiel | not impossible impossible, just insanely hard to resolve globals into other libraries and whatnot |
| 17:03.39 | Kaelten | better now/ |
| 17:03.45 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ^ |
| 17:03.54 | nevcairiel | for now, yea |
| 17:03.56 | sylvanaar_work | seeing as any x=y can be a global definition it gets very hairy |
| 17:04.01 | Rokiyo | well what you've got so far is awesome, and the pace of your updates are kinda scary, so I dare not ask for any more than you're already giving! :P |
| 17:04.14 | nevcairiel | i've also been getting this "curse backend server" error, both on the forums and on wowpedia, its kinda annoying =/ |
| 17:04.17 | sylvanaar_work | hehe, im having a blast writing it |
| 17:05.39 | Slayman | Metro 2033 for 10eur, worth it or not? |
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| 17:07.02 | Megalon | Bibi |
| 17:07.09 | Bibi | no. |
| 17:07.19 | Ackis | Bibi: hi |
| 17:07.19 | Megalon | engineering is finally available on beta :o |
| 17:07.22 | Bibi | hi! |
| 17:07.22 | Computerpunk | :O |
| 17:07.25 | Ackis | accept my friend request Bibi |
| 17:07.27 | Ackis | on facebook |
| 17:07.39 | Megalon | HE WANTS TO FARMVILLE YOU BIBI |
| 17:07.41 | Slayman | don't it's a trap! |
| 17:07.48 | Slayman | ^^ |
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| 17:07.53 | Ackis | I don't play farmville |
| 17:07.57 | Megalon | someone call admiral ackbar |
| 17:08.01 | Slayman | no you run farmville |
| 17:11.06 | Fisker | want to try out my wand Ackis ? |
| 17:11.06 | Xtek | so tired :( |
| 17:11.18 | Ackis | so tiny |
| 17:12.43 | Fisker | so fuck you Ackis ? |
| 17:13.45 | Ackis | k |
| 17:17.50 | sylvanaar_work | was something wrong with ace3 profiles recently |
| 17:18.09 | nevcairiel | not with profiles, no |
| 17:18.14 | sylvanaar_work | ok |
| 17:18.38 | nevcairiel | there was just a glitch earlier today that modules would always be enabled and not stay off =p |
| 17:22.17 | Rokiyo | oh, sylvanaar, where would you prefer bugs to be submitted? |
| 17:22.32 | Rokiyo | eg if I find a way to cause internal ide errors :P |
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| 17:30.09 | sylvanaar_work | just press the blame lua button |
| 17:30.18 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r171 LibPossessions.lua: Skillet: |
| 17:30.19 | Repo | - Removed support for ArkInventory |
| 17:30.33 | sylvanaar_work | it goes to my bug tracker if there was an exception |
| 17:30.45 | sylvanaar_work | if there are other bugs you can put them on the bitbucket page |
| 17:31.21 | Rokiyo | the blame lua button is greyed out for me |
| 17:31.26 | Rokiyo | :s |
| 17:32.05 | sylvanaar_work | lol really? |
| 17:32.17 | sylvanaar_work | ok, just use the bitbucket bug tracker then |
| 17:32.42 | sylvanaar_work | right now i am having a hell of a time with parsing unreachable code |
| 17:32.43 | Rokiyo | always has been... even when I was getting nullpointer exceptions a few days ago (which have stopped now, after a recent update) |
| 17:33.00 | Rokiyo | yep, those are exactly the errors I'm generating :P |
| 17:33.11 | Rokiyo | ofcourse, they're coming up when i do super silly stuff |
| 17:33.18 | Rokiyo | such as function foo) |
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| 17:33.42 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i have to work on error recovery in the parser |
| 17:34.09 | sylvanaar_work | thats what im holding up 0.9 for |
| 17:34.48 | Repo | 10xperl: 03mysticalos * r478 XPerl.lua: |
| 17:34.49 | Repo | Bad zek. that hide code has been enabled by 3 different people now and every time disables "send whisper". :P needs to be redone before it can be used. |
| 17:35.21 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar_work: when i last tried, the blame lua button itself caused new errors :D |
| 17:35.27 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r3 ProfessionsVault.lua: minor tweak |
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| 17:36.24 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa 041.4 * r172 : Tagging as 1.4 |
| 17:38.24 | Rokiyo | interesting... randomly inserting incomplete brackets into tables isn't causing parsing to break eg mytable = {1, 2, 3(, 4} doesn't kill it |
| 17:38.44 | profalbert | lua> return {1,2,3(,4} |
| 17:38.44 | lua_bot | profalbert: luabot:1: '}' expected near '(' |
| 17:38.50 | Rokiyo | but doing the same thing inside a table nested within a table nested within another globally declared table does sometimes do it |
| 17:39.15 | Rokiyo | well, yes prof... that could shouldn't parse :P |
| 17:41.31 | ccKep | (am I the only one that doesnt get this?) |
| 17:41.44 | Parnic|Work | "this" ? |
| 17:41.58 | ccKep | (19:37:21) Rokiyo: interesting... randomly inserting incomplete brackets into tables isn't causing parsing to break eg mytable = {1, 2, 3(, 4} doesn't kill it |
| 17:41.59 | ccKep | this |
| 17:42.11 | Parnic|Work | he's referring to sylvanaar's lua parser inside intellij |
| 17:42.12 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 17:42.16 | ccKep | ah |
| 17:42.18 | Parnic|Work | it doesn't complain about that code when it should |
| 17:42.52 | Rokiyo | ah, i didn't explain myself properly |
| 17:43.07 | Rokiyo | it is complaining about that code, in that it underlines it red |
| 17:43.16 | Rokiyo | but only if the table is in isolation or very simple |
| 17:43.18 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: is there any specific magic that one needs to be aware of for a program to show up in Windows 7's start menu's list of regularily used programs? or put another way: why doesn't the curse client show up there? :D |
| 17:43.31 | Rokiyo | once you get into crazy levels of nesting, that random bracket makes the parser die outright |
| 17:43.38 | Baps | right click "pin to menu" |
| 17:43.38 | Kaelten | looks for a start button on his mac |
| 17:43.41 | Kaelten | fails |
| 17:43.45 | Gnarfoz | Baps: that's something entirely else |
| 17:43.56 | Gnarfoz | ~fail kaelten |
| 17:43.56 | purl | kaelten: FAIL! |
| 17:43.59 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 17:44.03 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 17:44.22 | Gnarfoz | where's... who's in charge of windows curse client these days? still Michael? |
| 17:44.33 | Ackis | yeah |
| 17:44.36 | Kaelten | yes |
| 17:44.51 | Gnarfoz | alright, got him on msn =) |
| 17:45.01 | Rokiyo | Gnar: It seems to list shortcuts you've recently regularly access via the start menu |
| 17:45.10 | Gnarfoz | Rokiyo: of course |
| 17:45.17 | Gnarfoz | and it doesn't only count via start menu |
| 17:45.31 | Gnarfoz | regardless, there's some programs that never show up for me, Curse Client being one of them |
| 17:45.34 | Rokiyo | clicking on shortcuts in your desktop, or directly clicking on the executable, or having them auto-start on boot doesn't appear to help them get listed there |
| 17:46.09 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm actually starting it from the menu, but I've seen apps get listed that I ran directly from my file browser (i.e. not windows explorer) |
| 17:46.16 | Rokiyo | interesting |
| 17:46.41 | Gnarfoz | well - does it show up in that list for anyone else? |
| 17:47.05 | Parnic|Work | not for me. i have items that are used less frequently than CC in there |
| 17:47.08 | Rokiyo | it doesn't for me, but i very very rarely start it manually :P |
| 17:47.25 | Parnic|Work | but that list seems super random anyway. i always just type what program i want into the box at the bottom of the start menu |
| 17:47.34 | Parnic|Work | so that list you're talking about is of little use to me :P |
| 17:47.35 | Rokiyo | yep |
| 17:47.47 | Rokiyo | gotta love them implementing launchy directly into their start menu |
| 17:48.01 | Parnic|Work | i'm just glad that it actually works |
| 17:48.14 | Parnic|Work | as opposed to their "search" in windows explorer that can never find anything |
| 17:48.18 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 17:48.25 | Rokiyo | yeah, it is a bit out of character for them :P |
| 17:49.16 | Rokiyo | here's another neat thing about win7 |
| 17:49.21 | Rokiyo | make a new folder on your desktop |
| 17:49.24 | Rokiyo | named it GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} |
| 17:49.34 | Rokiyo | then take a peek inside |
| 17:49.37 | Slayman | Parnic CC is not in there due to it#s kind of irregular filename, launchy has the same problem with it as the win starmenulist thing |
| 17:49.37 | Rokiyo | very, very awesome |
| 17:49.54 | Parnic|Work | Slayman: i think you meant to direct that to Gnarfoz :) |
| 17:50.06 | Slayman | Gnarfoz: CC is not in there due to it#s kind of irregular filename, launchy has the same problem with it as the win starmenulist thing |
| 17:50.08 | Slayman | ^^ |
| 17:50.09 | Parnic|Work | lol |
| 17:50.14 | Rokiyo | rofl |
| 17:50.15 | Parnic|Work | Rokiyo: old trick is old! ;) |
| 17:50.24 | Rokiyo | waaah! |
| 17:51.42 | Gnarfoz | it's just the CLSID of the control panel in "everything" mode |
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| 17:52.12 | Gnarfoz | Slayman: well, yeah, it's one of those annoying programs that installs itself in the user data folder without any way to prevent that |
| 17:52.28 | Gnarfoz | that was my original assumption too |
| 17:52.41 | Gnarfoz | but Chrome does that, too and it works for Chrome |
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| 17:52.54 | Gnarfoz | (Chrome is not .net, though) |
| 17:53.20 | Parnic|Work | CC is installed via ClickOnce, right? |
| 17:53.28 | Gnarfoz | no, that was WAU |
| 17:53.32 | Parnic|Work | ah |
| 17:53.46 | Gnarfoz | (or, at least, I don't think it is. I installed it once, ages ago, it's been self-updating ever since) |
| 17:53.56 | Parnic|Work | yeah, hence why i asked :P |
| 17:54.45 | Ackis | CC is .net stuff |
| 17:55.03 | Gnarfoz | yes, thanks for agreeing :) |
| 17:55.34 | Ackis | I'm not agreeing |
| 17:55.36 | Ackis | I never agree |
| 17:55.49 | nevcairiel | we know, you're canadian |
| 17:55.54 | Ackis | eh? |
| 17:55.55 | Gnarfoz | he's not very agreeable |
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| 17:58.44 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r479 / (6 files in 6 directories): |
| 17:58.45 | Repo | Ok.. Now disables Set Focus option without disabling other random things. |
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| 18:10.39 | Torhal | Slayman: Why are your apostrophies pound signs instead? |
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| 18:17.16 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: typo'd, probably :) |
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| 18:19.24 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Rather consistently :) |
| 18:19.50 | Gnarfoz | easy to do, they're on the same key for him, shifted/unshifted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Germany.svg |
| 18:20.05 | Parnic|Work | crazy germans |
| 18:20.15 | Parnic|Work | get out of there pound key, you don't belong with the apostrophe! |
| 18:20.26 | nevcairiel | we have a pound sign on teh keyboard? |
| 18:20.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not pound sterling, pound: # |
| 18:20.48 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 18:21.06 | nevcairiel | that happens to me too all the time |
| 18:21.09 | Gnarfoz | (for which there is no accurate german word, coincidentally) |
| 18:21.10 | nevcairiel | thats why i just skip them |
| 18:21.37 | Gnarfoz | I just use my custom layout which is us-based, solving that particular problem ^^ |
| 18:21.46 | Gnarfoz | also, nerf: # Lay on Hands no longer restores mana. :( |
| 18:21.47 | Torhal | That keyboard frightens me. |
| 18:21.48 | nevcairiel | doppelkreuz is the official name :p |
| 18:22.01 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 18:22.05 | Fisker | not so hey nevcairiel |
| 18:22.08 | Megalon | raute it is called in german |
| 18:22.12 | Gnarfoz | no it isn't. |
| 18:22.20 | Parnic|Work | pfluger |
| 18:22.22 | Gnarfoz | Raute is something like this: |
| 18:22.23 | nevcairiel | people say raute, but its really not a raute |
| 18:22.27 | Gnarfoz | /\ |
| 18:22.27 | Gnarfoz | \/ |
| 18:22.49 | Megalon | you can also say doppelkreuz |
| 18:22.51 | Gnarfoz | (and its irregular forms are called Rhombus :O) |
| 18:22.54 | Megalon | if you want |
| 18:23.04 | Gnarfoz | I'll keep saying Raute anyway |
| 18:23.17 | Gnarfoz | because people won't know what I'm talking about otherwise |
| 18:23.18 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:23.30 | Parnic|Work | here in 'merica we speak 'merican! |
| 18:23.45 | Gnarfoz | you do that |
| 18:24.03 | Megalon | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelkreuz_%28Satzzeichen%29 |
| 18:24.09 | Megalon | if you don't see the raute in there |
| 18:24.13 | Pneumatus | # is a hash, not a pound :o |
| 18:24.18 | Gnarfoz | that's gotta be new Megalon |
| 18:24.25 | Pneumatus | lb and £ are also pounds |
| 18:24.27 | Megalon | what? |
| 18:24.29 | Pneumatus | but not # |
| 18:24.36 | steev | Parnic|Work: maybe so, but writing, there is only legible and retarded |
| 18:24.46 | nevcairiel | funny |
| 18:24.53 | nevcairiel | there is a sign to indicate irony in written text |
| 18:24.54 | Parnic|Work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign Pneumatus: Used as the symbol for the pound (a unit of weight) in the U.S. |
| 18:25.03 | nevcairiel | its kinda ironic that my font can't display it, though! |
| 18:25.05 | Fisker | hey Parnic|Work ! |
| 18:25.08 | Fisker | you're here |
| 18:25.10 | steev | And, the U.S. is the only thing that is important |
| 18:25.11 | Parnic|Work | lies |
| 18:25.14 | Pneumatus | you don't use lb for pounds? |
| 18:25.19 | Torhal | ~lart Pneumatus |
| 18:25.19 | purl | blasts Pneumatus with a huge firehose then strangles Pneumatus with it |
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| 18:25.24 | Parnic|Work | lb is used most of the time, yes |
| 18:25.24 | Torhal | We do |
| 18:25.25 | Gnarfoz | we don't use pounds, simple |
| 18:25.31 | Parnic|Work | just saying that # is also "pound" over here |
| 18:25.37 | Torhal | I've never actually -seen_ # used in conjunction with weight |
| 18:25.38 | Parnic|Work | "Hash" is also acceptible :) |
| 18:25.47 | Torhal | But I've always heard it called that |
| 18:25.56 | Pneumatus | "In most English-speaking countries outside North America, the symbol is usually called the hash, and the corresponding telephone key is the hash key." |
| 18:26.02 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: we do, a pound is 500g around here, though! |
| 18:26.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: outdated. |
| 18:26.10 | Pneumatus | so, northern americans are wrong, obv :) |
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| 18:26.21 | steev | Pneumatus: we are never wrong. |
| 18:26.22 | Parnic|Work | Pneumatus: yeah, just saying that calling it "not a pound" is not universally correct :) |
| 18:26.26 | Gnarfoz | it's just 500g now! :D |
| 18:26.28 | Parnic|Work | "#wowace" = "pound-wowace" hehe |
| 18:27.09 | Pneumatus | 1 pound is ~450g or ~1.15 EUR :) |
| 18:27.30 | Pneumatus | or 1.5 USD |
| 18:27.48 | Gnarfoz | that's the problem with shitty old units: they're inaccurate :P |
| 18:27.57 | Pneumatus | haha |
| 18:27.59 | Pneumatus | no. |
| 18:28.06 | Gnarfoz | ? yes. |
| 18:28.57 | Rokiyo | no. :P |
| 18:29.07 | Gnarfoz | ...yes |
| 18:29.11 | Rokiyo | the inaccuracy comes from the conversion process |
| 18:29.13 | Rokiyo | not the currency itself |
| 18:29.17 | Gnarfoz | uhm, no? |
| 18:29.27 | Rokiyo | 1 aus dollar is ~ 1 US dollar |
| 18:29.27 | Gnarfoz | there's at least 5 definitions of "pound" alone |
| 18:29.38 | Rokiyo | oh gawd, the aus dollar must be shit cos i'm being inaccurate! |
| 18:29.42 | Ackis | is "white mans voodoo magic" racist? |
| 18:29.52 | Pneumatus | 1 AUD is 0.95 USD |
| 18:29.55 | Pneumatus | so, |
| 18:29.56 | Gnarfoz | who invented voodoo, Ackis? |
| 18:29.57 | Pneumatus | no. |
| 18:30.03 | Rokiyo | and how many currencies call their currency "the dollar"? |
| 18:30.15 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: I have no idea :P |
| 18:30.15 | Rokiyo | just because a word gets reused doesn't mean anything |
| 18:30.29 | Gnarfoz | Rokiyo: you being inaccurate != the unit being ambiguously defined |
| 18:30.53 | Parnic|Work | ackis: where the heck did you pull that out of? hahaha |
| 18:31.02 | Gnarfoz | his braaaaaaaaaaaainnn |
| 18:31.23 | Rokiyo | being ambigious about which form pound you are speaking of != the british pound being an ambigious form of currency |
| 18:31.24 | Ackis | Parnic|Work: a post on a ticket |
| 18:31.28 | Rokiyo | form of* |
| 18:31.28 | Parnic|Work | here we are having a fun conversation about international units (hehehe, units) and white man voodoo shows u |
| 18:31.30 | Parnic|Work | up* |
| 18:31.35 | Repo | 10head-count-2: 03kagaro 07master * e382012 / (14 files in 2 directories): [+7 commits] (3 truncated) |
| 18:31.36 | Repo | e382012: Reworked Boss detector, seems to be working properly now. |
| 18:31.37 | Repo | 5fb4e12: Removed RaidTracker module for now, while working on the boss detector code. |
| 18:31.38 | Repo | 7d1215d: Added Boss Detection Module |
| 18:31.39 | Repo | 9461cae: Fleshed out more of the Tracker component. started stubbing in the GUI |
| 18:31.55 | nevcairiel | for me, all units that are not metric are inaccurate |
| 18:31.57 | nevcairiel | there :p |
| 18:32.27 | Gnarfoz | go one step further and get used to SI |
| 18:32.40 | nevcairiel | lazyness |
| 18:32.43 | Rokiyo | lol nev, by that standard, the kelvin is inaccurate :P |
| 18:32.44 | Pneumatus | imperial weights are entirely accurate |
| 18:32.49 | Gnarfoz | Rokiyo: and you missed that we were talking about weight pounds, not currency |
| 18:32.56 | Parnic|Work | i really hate that the US continues to use their crap measurements. screw trying to remember how many pints are in a liter, why can't it be 10-based? |
| 18:33.05 | Rokiyo | ah, oops |
| 18:33.12 | nevcairiel | Rokiyo: why would it be inaccurate? |
| 18:33.12 | Gnarfoz | Parnic|Work: not invented here |
| 18:33.30 | Parnic|Work | s/their crap/really stupid/ |
| 18:33.32 | Pneumatus | Parnic: we buy milk by the pint in the UK |
| 18:33.44 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: because i forget all the weird conversion rules between the units, i will not be able to judge them accurately, so, no :P |
| 18:33.55 | Parnic|Work | fine, bad example. you get the point :P |
| 18:34.09 | Rokiyo | oh wait, i'm shutting up about kelvins... they're metric too *redface* |
| 18:34.09 | Pneumatus | not weird, nevcairiel, just not base 10 |
| 18:34.18 | Pneumatus | different != weird |
| 18:34.20 | nevcairiel | and different for every conversion |
| 18:34.28 | nevcairiel | its not like its all, say 7 |
| 18:34.32 | nevcairiel | its 5, and 7, and 3, and 12 |
| 18:34.36 | Megalon | we should return to the babylonian number system |
| 18:34.41 | Megalon | base60 all the way baby |
| 18:34.43 | Gnarfoz | simple units are maybe a bit annoying, area and volume units are totally nuts! :D |
| 18:35.06 | Gnarfoz | what's a furlong? :D |
| 18:35.18 | nevcairiel | 201 meters |
| 18:35.22 | Pneumatus | 10 chains |
| 18:35.31 | Pneumatus | which is 11 fathoms |
| 18:35.34 | Pneumatus | which is 2 yards |
| 18:35.37 | Pneumatus | which is 3 feet |
| 18:35.39 | Pneumatus | which is 12 inches |
| 18:35.46 | nevcairiel | see, totally unintuitive! |
| 18:35.52 | Megalon | i only know |
| 18:35.56 | Megalon | 1:2880 |
| 18:35.56 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus is a staunch supporter of metrification |
| 18:36.00 | Parnic|Work | 2 yards isn't 3 feet |
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| 18:36.02 | Rokiyo | wait whaa? |
| 18:36.10 | Pneumatus | no, 1 yard is 3 feet |
| 18:36.13 | Gnarfoz | it's 6 feet, that doesn't make it one bit better :D |
| 18:36.14 | Rokiyo | 3 feet is 36 inches, isn't it? |
| 18:36.16 | Megalon | needed that for surveying class :7 |
| 18:36.17 | nevcairiel | 10mm = 1cm; 10 cm = 1 dm; 10dm = 1m |
| 18:36.21 | nevcairiel | way easy! |
| 18:36.59 | Gnarfoz | (except noboy uses dm for anything, but it exists for completeness's sake :D) |
| 18:36.59 | Megalon | 60s = 1m, 60m = 1h, 24h = 1d, 365.24d = 1y |
| 18:37.00 | Pneumatus | 1 furlong is actually 7920 inches multipled out :P |
| 18:37.03 | Megalon | easy! |
| 18:37.13 | Rokiyo | sooo... 2 yards == 6 feet == 72 inches? |
| 18:37.14 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: time needs a rework |
| 18:37.15 | nevcairiel | Megalon: you know, no-one has a different measurement of time |
| 18:37.22 | Parnic|Work | Rokiyo: yes |
| 18:37.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: Swatch does |
| 18:37.31 | nevcairiel | screw swatch time |
| 18:37.33 | Pneumatus | yes, 2 yards is 72 inches |
| 18:37.35 | Gnarfoz | ~beat |
| 18:37.36 | Megalon | other planets do |
| 18:37.48 | Gnarfoz | there are no other populated planets, as far as we are aware ;p |
| 18:37.51 | Megalon | don't count out them aliens |
| 18:37.52 | Gnarfoz | so fuck 'em |
| 18:38.05 | nevcairiel | them aliens probably also have other units for |
| 18:38.06 | nevcairiel | like |
| 18:38.06 | Megalon | why would you fuck an unpopulated planet |
| 18:38.07 | nevcairiel | everything |
| 18:38.08 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 18:38.11 | Pneumatus | remind me, which multiple of 10 are light years vs meters? :> |
| 18:38.19 | Pneumatus | :trollface: |
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| 18:38.52 | Megalon | one lightyear is |
| 18:38.57 | Megalon | like over ninethousand years |
| 18:39.01 | Megalon | everyone knows that |
| 18:39.04 | Pneumatus | lol |
| 18:39.14 | Pneumatus | julian lightyear or gregorian lightyear? |
| 18:39.31 | nevcairiel | light years don't count, they are based on an unrelated constant :P |
| 18:39.56 | Rokiyo | yay for google! |
| 18:39.57 | Rokiyo | 1 light year = 9.4605284 Ã 1015 meters |
| 18:40.02 | Rokiyo | err |
| 18:40.10 | Rokiyo | that's 10^15 |
| 18:40.31 | nevcairiel | (are light years longer leap years?) |
| 18:40.39 | nevcairiel | s/longer/longer in/ |
| 18:40.48 | Rokiyo | lawl |
| 18:41.02 | Rokiyo | are you trollin'? o.O |
| 18:41.06 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 18:41.06 | Pneumatus | no nevcairiel, they are calculated based on a julian year |
| 18:41.15 | Pneumatus | but, where are gregorian light years |
| 18:41.55 | Rokiyo | zomg, wikipedia actually gave me some info i give a crap about... SHINY NEW WORDS! |
| 18:41.57 | nevcairiel | then we would have leap light years! |
| 18:42.09 | Rokiyo | 10 petametres or 6 trillion miles |
| 18:42.19 | Rokiyo | = 1 lightyear |
| 18:42.29 | Rokiyo | man... petametres... i like that one |
| 18:42.37 | nevcairiel | thats a kinda inaccurate rounding |
| 18:42.47 | Rokiyo | oh yah, no kidding |
| 18:42.50 | nevcairiel | like you said, its 9.4605284 |
| 18:42.59 | Rokiyo | they also listed 10^16 metres |
| 18:43.01 | nevcairiel | x10E15 |
| 18:43.26 | arkanes_ | astrophysics doesn't really care about precision issues less than a power of 10 |
| 18:43.56 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r145 / (2 files in 1 directory): renaming fubar-tablet to interface-tooltip |
| 18:44.11 | arkanes_ | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2039#comic |
| 18:44.11 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tekkub |
| 18:44.19 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 11h 41m 7s ago, saying: 'whatever you are implying, fuck you with a rusty dildo'. |
| 18:44.31 | Rokiyo | wow |
| 18:45.09 | Rokiyo | please remind me to always say something nice before leaving this chan |
| 18:45.19 | Rokiyo | lest purl archive it for all to see |
| 18:45.37 | Parnic|Work | hahahaha |
| 18:46.06 | Gnarfoz | purl archives *everything* you say, anyway |
| 18:46.31 | Rokiyo | purl is watching me! |
| 18:46.34 | Rokiyo | hides |
| 18:46.39 | Gnarfoz | (except lines prefixed by spaces) |
| 18:46.42 | Parnic|Work | not just purl |
| 18:46.53 | Rokiyo | eep! |
| 18:47.18 | Parnic|Work | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowace/ |
| 18:47.19 | Parnic|Work | enjoy |
| 18:47.25 | Gnarfoz | (that's purl) |
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| 18:47.33 | Parnic|Work | ah :) |
| 18:47.55 | Rokiyo | hory shet! |
| 18:48.00 | Rokiyo | it's all there |
| 18:48.12 | Pneumatus | apart from the days purl goes awol |
| 18:48.42 | Rokiyo | gawd, my best and brightest moments immortalised forever |
| 18:48.44 | Rokiyo | 03:39.36Rokiyolua> true |
| 18:48.44 | Rokiyo | 03:39.36lua_botRokiyo: true |
| 18:48.52 | Parnic|Work | lol |
| 18:49.42 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 * r146 / (6 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 18:49.43 | Repo | - removing libfubarplugin from libraries needed in newaddon() |
| 18:49.44 | Repo | - removing toggle feature from ace options (useless now) |
| 18:49.45 | Repo | - several tweaks & bugfixes |
| 18:49.46 | Repo | - removing "now useless" code |
| 18:50.02 | SunTsu | @describe elephant |
| 18:50.04 | Repo | SunTsu: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elephant/. Elephant. A friendly companion that remembers the chat. |
| 18:50.49 | Repo | 10elephant: 03pb_ee1 043.0.1-alpha * r147 : Tagging as 3.0.1-alpha AGAIN (yeye I knaw) |
| 18:53.38 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 * r174 Bazooka_Options (2 files in 2 directories): added 'Show disabled plugins last' global option |
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| 18:58.02 | Adirelle | Kaelten, ping |
| 18:58.19 | Repo | 10bazooka: 03mitch0 04v1.9.2 * r175 : Tagging as v1.9.2 |
| 18:58.20 | Repo | - grab latest Ace3 release |
| 18:58.21 | Repo | - added 'Show disabled plugins last' option |
| 18:58.24 | Kaelten | hi |
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| 19:00.22 | Adirelle | did you have some time to look at my packager issue with InlineAura ? |
| 19:01.10 | Kaelten | I removed it's local checkout on the server |
| 19:01.13 | Kaelten | if you want to try again |
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| 19:01.46 | Adirelle | ok |
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| 19:08.26 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 19:09.25 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.5-beta-9 Localization.lua: [+1 commit] Locales updated. |
| 19:09.32 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 04v1.5-beta-9 * b8f2be3 /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.5-beta-9 |
| 19:09.51 | Ackis | @project inline-aura |
| 19:09.53 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/inline-aura/. Inline Aura. Game: WoW. Adirelle (Manager/Author). Updated: 21 hours ago. Tickets: 9/96 |
| 19:11.46 | Ackis | bah |
| 19:11.50 | Adirelle | Kaelten, no luck : http://www.wowace.com/addons/inline-aura/repositories/mainline/packager/#w-packager-start-2010-10-27t19-09-22-003989 |
| 19:11.57 | nevcairiel | this is kinda funny, heh |
| 19:12.03 | Adirelle | tags to handle : v1.0-beta-3 ... |
| 19:12.07 | Ackis | oh Adirelle he's looking into it now? |
| 19:12.08 | nevcairiel | it repacks all tags again |
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| 19:12.54 | Adirelle | what is really funny, is that those tags don't exist in mainline repository right now (or they shouldn't) |
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| 19:13.47 | nevcairiel | i cloned the repo and only see -8 and -9 |
| 19:13.49 | nevcairiel | and -8-repack |
| 19:13.58 | nevcairiel | the packager must have some old info somewhere |
| 19:14.18 | Ackis | the packager clones it's own copy of the repo nevcairiel |
| 19:14.34 | nevcairiel | yes, but the repo doesnt contain those tags |
| 19:14.44 | Ackis | and then it just updates |
| 19:14.51 | Ackis | it doesn't reclone each time, just the first time |
| 19:15.04 | nevcairiel | yeah which makes it break if you do funny thigns to the repo :P |
| 19:17.29 | quiescens | adirelle is breaking things again ): |
| 19:17.42 | nevcairiel | only his owns toy |
| 19:17.49 | nevcairiel | -s |
| 19:18.03 | Adirelle | actually I asked there before converting it |
| 19:18.11 | Adirelle | nevcairiel told me it should go fine :p |
| 19:18.34 | nevcairiel | how would i know the packager gets more new bugs every day! |
| 19:19.13 | Adirelle | ^^ |
| 19:19.13 | durcyn | should just send people to curseforge when they try to use svn anyway |
| 19:19.31 | nevcairiel | its a git repo now :d |
| 19:19.43 | Adirelle | the best part is that it seems to randomly generate the package |
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| 19:19.57 | Yoshimo | @project smartres2 |
| 19:19.57 | Adirelle | e.g. v1.5-beta-2 is the only one that is generated in "with lib"... |
| 19:19.58 | Repo | Yoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/smartres2/. SmartRes2. Game: WoW. myrroddin (Manager/Author), Morgalm (Author), Torhal (Author). Updated: 13 days ago |
| 19:19.59 | mitchnull | durcyn: go DIAF |
| 19:20.15 | quiescens | with sufficient randomness, it has to work eventually |
| 19:20.39 | durcyn | mitchnull: go hug your cvs -P |
| 19:21.03 | Adirelle | if at least it generated them in the good order ... |
| 19:21.06 | nevcairiel | we should convince kaelten to add cvs support! |
| 19:21.09 | nevcairiel | and vss! |
| 19:21.15 | Parnic|Work | is there actually a windows git client that doesn't suck (i'm looking at you, tortoisegit) or should we be using tortoisehg in hack mode? |
| 19:21.24 | nevcairiel | Parnic|Work: command line! |
| 19:21.36 | Parnic|Work | see my previous question :P |
| 19:21.40 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: diaf |
| 19:21.45 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:22.21 | nevcairiel | Parnic|Work: i actually use the CLI, i don't think Git can really be formed into a good GUI :D |
| 19:22.22 | durcyn | just let me FTP up my RCS directories, then rlogin to update it please |
| 19:22.23 | Adirelle | I suspect the packager to keep a list of 'already packaged that one' tags somewhere |
| 19:22.36 | nevcairiel | Adirelle: its supposed to |
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| 19:22.55 | Parnic|Work | nevcairiel: it certainly can. tortoisesvn works just fine. tortoisegit *would* be great if it didn't just lock up and error out constantly for no discernable reason |
| 19:23.16 | nevcairiel | svn is so simple, you only ever need commit and update :P |
| 19:23.28 | Parnic|Work | git is just one extra step from a GUI point of view |
| 19:23.40 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't know how to design a proper GUI that does git add -p |
| 19:23.41 | Parnic|Work | i shouldn't have to care what's going on under the hood |
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| 19:25.15 | nevcairiel | I dunno, I'm fast with git cli, i dont think i could be faster with an UI :) |
| 19:25.23 | DWSR | CLI > GUI for git, imo. |
| 19:25.29 | DWSR | Especially if you have a curses term. |
| 19:25.32 | DWSR | or xterm |
| 19:25.33 | Yoshimo | ~seen myroddin |
| 19:25.38 | purl | i haven't seen 'myroddin', Yoshimo |
| 19:26.29 | DWSR | Parnic|Work: You can use GitCheetah if you're on Windows. It works fairly well. |
| 19:26.37 | DWSR | Also, the GUI included in git for Windows isn't bad. |
| 19:27.42 | durcyn | what, the cli has an ncurses ui? that sounds awful |
| 19:27.57 | Parnic|Work | dwsr: "cli > gui" may be currently true but my point is that it shouldn't be/doesn't have to be :) |
| 19:28.16 | DWSR | Parnic|Work: Then design one. :) |
| 19:28.18 | Parnic|Work | there's no reason that a ui couldn't work just like tortoisesvn just with one extra icon on the file indicating server sync state or something like that |
| 19:28.27 | Parnic|Work | but why? i'm perfectly happy with svn :P |
| 19:29.50 | Adirelle | Kaelten, any new idea ? |
| 19:29.52 | DWSR | SVN is not as nice as git, tbh. |
| 19:29.58 | DWSR | Now that I'm on Git, I don't look back. |
| 19:30.11 | durcyn | svn is perfectly sufficient, until it isn't |
| 19:30.38 | Parnic|Work | are there more benefits than just having a local version of the files or a backup/offline source control locally? |
| 19:30.43 | Parnic|Work | i'd be interested in hearing them |
| 19:30.48 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: branching |
| 19:30.49 | Adirelle | sometimes I feel restricted when going back to svn |
| 19:30.53 | arkanes_ | thats the big one right there |
| 19:31.00 | Adirelle | the main reason I switch IA repo to git was branching/merging |
| 19:31.05 | arkanes_ | and it's friend, merging |
| 19:31.25 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 19:31.32 | Parnic|Work | i guess if i branched then that would be helpful |
| 19:31.33 | durcyn | not to mention tags |
| 19:31.34 | DWSR | And staging is another thing I can't live without. |
| 19:31.43 | Adirelle | the stash is handy too |
| 19:31.51 | Parnic|Work | i'd still rather use perforce over both :P if only it was reasonably priced |
| 19:32.16 | durcyn | having to copy trunk everywhere in order to make things happen, ugh |
| 19:32.22 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:32.28 | Adirelle | merging "mainstream" into your own clone is awesome too |
| 19:33.00 | SunTsu | rebasing is very nice |
| 19:33.22 | Adirelle | "tell us why git is better than subversion, 500 words, 2 hours" |
| 19:33.53 | SunTsu | having a branch, rebase current development into it, so you'll have less problems merging the branch to head later |
| 19:34.44 | durcyn | huh, new dev chrome shows the google account it's set up to sync with on the new tab page |
| 19:34.57 | durcyn | not sure how i feel about that |
| 19:35.18 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r480 XPerl_Options/XPerl_FrameOptions.xml: Protect player buff options from being changed in-combat. |
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| 19:36.19 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: simple use case that SVN simply does not support is as trivial as working from 2 different machines, or while you're offline |
| 19:36.20 | SunTsu | Er, did I somehow slip into a parallel dimension where Zeksie is active? |
| 19:36.48 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: I work on my laptop at the airport, for example |
| 19:36.59 | durcyn | he rose from the dead several days ago, SunTsu |
| 19:37.12 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: yeah i can understand that. that's why my original question was "other than offline source control" :) |
| 19:37.33 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: I think that's sufficient, honestly |
| 19:37.40 | Parnic|Work | that's fair |
| 19:37.50 | SunTsu | Parnic|Work: awesome patch handling by mail |
| 19:38.04 | arkanes_ | but it's really just a natural progression from the case of supporting distributed development |
| 19:38.07 | DWSR | Parnic|Work: Patch file handling, in general, is wicked in Git. |
| 19:38.20 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r481 XPerl_PlayerBuffs (2 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 19:38.21 | Repo | Some fixes to player buffs. |
| 19:38.22 | Repo | - Shouldn't get less blank icons now. |
| 19:38.23 | Repo | - Re-implemented flashing expiring icons. |
| 19:38.24 | Repo | - Re-fixed the shaman weapon buff cooldown problem. |
| 19:38.27 | Parnic|Work | tbh if i could find a good gui that didn't require me to learn a whole new set of CLI commands then i'd be happy to switch to git |
| 19:38.28 | arkanes_ | offline source control is a special case of distributed development, anything that wants to support the one must support the other |
| 19:38.34 | Parnic|Work | hence why i was asking about one earlier |
| 19:39.04 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: I'm not a fan of git in particular, in part because I find its commands and help to be useless |
| 19:39.27 | Parnic|Work | though i don't see git (or any similar distributed scc) approach being practical for non-coders. here at work the artists barely understand perforce. if they had to submit their changes after submitting their changes, their heads would explode :P |
| 19:39.37 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r4 / (5 files in 2 directories): add libs |
| 19:39.52 | arkanes_ | I find bzr to be the best in terms of user friendliness and natural support of the workflows I prefer, but I use hg more often because it's much faster and bitbucket is better than launchpad |
| 19:40.23 | durcyn | eh, github has them both beat |
| 19:40.39 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: hg and bzr can both be configured to automatically push after commits if you prefer working that way, bzr even has a repo format that works exactly like svn checkouts do |
| 19:41.01 | SunTsu | Parnic|Work: I really like that for config files, like zshrc, have local repository, do all I need to do, and afterwards push it all when I'm done |
| 19:41.15 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: In many cases, people underestimate what people can learn, though. Artists understand the idea of workflows |
| 19:41.22 | Parnic|Work | i can see the appeal of that :) |
| 19:41.49 | DWSR | Also. |
| 19:41.51 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: some of them, sure :P. we have people that after years of using perforce still submit stuff with "asdf" as the changelist description |
| 19:41.57 | DWSR | It's not like Bash scripts were never invented or anything. |
| 19:42.04 | Parnic|Work | because despite being told over and over why/how those are useful they continue to not care |
| 19:42.11 | DWSR | You could just get them to click a button and have everything scripted for them |
| 19:42.20 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: not caring about the workflow imposed on them isn't the same as not understanding workflows, though |
| 19:42.35 | Parnic|Work | fair enough |
| 19:42.41 | durcyn | ... adding libs requires touching 5 files, what the hell is this guy doing |
| 19:42.54 | durcyn | Repo, you depress me sometimes. |
| 19:42.56 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: besides, the "you have to push" thing is entirely self correcting. If they don't push, their work isnt done and they don't get paid. |
| 19:43.02 | DWSR | durcyn: He embedded the libs? |
| 19:43.09 | DWSR | durcyn: And then touched the TOC? |
| 19:43.36 | durcyn | DWSR: .pkgmeta isn't 5 files? |
| 19:43.42 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: sure, but it also means that they hold everyone else up by not pushing their stuff. it becomes a real bother to have to continue to remind people about it |
| 19:43.44 | SunTsu | arkanes_: and if you have some die hard dumbasses who forget about them, add a hook to let it push automatically |
| 19:43.47 | DWSR | durcyn: He might not be using pkgmeta. |
| 19:43.51 | Parnic|Work | the "it's a personnel problem" argument is totally valid. just saying :) |
| 19:43.55 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: you can fire people who don't do their work |
| 19:44.02 | Parnic|Work | ha, beat you to it :P |
| 19:44.05 | thelibrarian | unless one of the libs is LibDatabroker... sigh |
| 19:44.34 | Parnic|Work | still, someone who does consistently good work shouldn't be fired because they can't grasp the SCC. just means more work for people who have to train or write new tools/scripts to help out |
| 19:44.40 | SunTsu | Parnic|Work: you can always do a post-commit-hook who will push for them |
| 19:44.53 | arkanes_ | I'd argue that if they aren't following the teams workflow they aren't doing good work |
| 19:44.57 | SunTsu | er "that" |
| 19:45.25 | Parnic|Work | in this instance by "work" i meant "thing they create" as opposed to "work well within the team" |
| 19:45.32 | arkanes_ | but yeah, like i said both bzr and hg have direct support for that, and with git you can use a hook |
| 19:45.39 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: sure, but its a personnel problem |
| 19:45.44 | SunTsu | I do that for things I put on my own public repository, so that's always up to date |
| 19:46.02 | thelibrarian | Parnic|Work: alias commit="git commit && git push" |
| 19:46.25 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: I'd say that the refusal to write useful changlog messages applies to. If your team/company/whatever has certain processes and they aren't adhering to them, discipline them or let them go |
| 19:46.33 | Parnic|Work | back to the CLI again :P |
| 19:46.55 | arkanes_ | I don't have tortoisegit here but it might have some sort of support for that |
| 19:47.07 | thelibrarian | a commit hook should work though, regardless of what interface you'r using |
| 19:47.24 | arkanes_ | are hooks local-only in git, like they are in hg? |
| 19:47.34 | arkanes_ | I'd imagine they are |
| 19:47.35 | thelibrarian | they're local to your repo, if that's what you mean |
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| 19:47.48 | thelibrarian | I don't think git clone copies them |
| 19:49.05 | DWSR | I /think/ you can make init create hooks. |
| 19:49.10 | arkanes_ | Parnic|Work: they already have the checkout/lock step in perforce, so by switching to git they'd have a net 0 of steps in the process anyway |
| 19:49.26 | DWSR | Yes, you can. http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-init.html |
| 19:49.38 | thelibrarian | but you said artists, though, right? |
| 19:49.43 | thelibrarian | big binary files? |
| 19:50.17 | arkanes_ | git, or any of the current dvcs ssytems, is probably not a good choice for game dev with artists |
| 19:50.18 | SunTsu | I really dig git's hooks system, you can do incredible things with it |
| 19:50.25 | arkanes_ | for reasons unrelated to the dvcs workflow |
| 19:50.44 | thelibrarian | git doesn't like those, svn is better for large binaries |
| 19:50.54 | Parnic|Work | thelibrarian: yes, large binary files |
| 19:51.10 | arkanes_ | p4 is even better |
| 19:51.16 | Repo | 10libbackdrop-1-0: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0.7-1-ga647f36 LibBackdrop-1.0.lua: [+1 commit] Edge case check, for when a frame is resized to 0, we dont try changed the BG texcoord |
| 19:51.27 | arkanes_ | there's really not anything that handles that kind of stuff the way p4 does |
| 19:51.30 | Parnic|Work | arkanes_: the perforce GUI is setup such that "submit" is one step and "sync" is one step. for binary files they're locked to only being editable by one person at a time, of course, so there are no submit conflicts to resolve |
| 19:51.39 | thelibrarian | if you have files more than a hundred megs or so, git tends to choke and run out of address space wile trying to do delta compression |
| 19:51.52 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r5 / (3 files in 1 directory): lib fixups |
| 19:52.16 | Parnic|Work | thelibrarian: we had a 2gb binary package that a guy was working on one time. we bludgeoned him until he broke it up :P |
| 19:53.26 | thelibrarian | Parnic|Work: lock + checkout reminds me of rcs... |
| 19:53.50 | Baps | perforce doesn't force you to lock, but it allows you to. |
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| 19:53.55 | Baps | it's an optional step |
| 19:54.16 | Baps | and perforce checkout is the same as git clone or svn checkout |
| 19:54.23 | Baps | ie, give me the stuff |
| 19:54.56 | thelibrarian | it's been a while since i've used p4, FreeBSD used it a little for some development branches back when their main repo was cvs. They're on subversion now though. |
| 19:55.13 | Parnic|Work | the problem with p4 is how incredibly expensive it is |
| 19:55.23 | Torhal | Parnic|Work: SmartGit |
| 19:55.23 | Parnic|Work | and of course it's not distributed, if you care about that kind of thing |
| 19:55.32 | Baps | yep. it's really nice 'tho if you don't need it to be distributed |
| 19:55.38 | thelibrarian | it seemed a lot like cvs extended with svn-like features |
| 19:55.57 | Parnic|Work | torhal: awesome, thanks. i'll check that out |
| 19:56.43 | Parnic|Work | torhal: lol, this is an awesome testimonial quote: "Thanks SmartGit, we achieved our goal earlier and flowless as butter..." |
| 19:56.53 | Torhal | Haha |
| 19:56.56 | thelibrarian | hmm, the SmartGit list of unimplemented features seems suspect. most of them I can see, but no support for "revert"? |
| 19:57.19 | Parnic|Work | "revert" is just a shortcut for syncing to an old rev and submitting it as current :P |
| 19:57.32 | arkanes_ | git revert is relatively uncommon |
| 19:57.37 | Adirelle | clearly |
| 19:57.38 | Torhal | thelibrarian: It's actually the best GUI for git I've found, regardless. Though I'm mostly CLI save for git gui, because staging hunks for commits is the motherfucking win |
| 19:57.42 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r6 .pkgmeta: more lib futzing |
| 19:57.45 | thelibrarian | huh, I use revert all the time... lol |
| 19:58.01 | Adirelle | it is also a bit confusing when comming from svn |
| 19:58.02 | Torhal | I only wish Mercurial had a git gui equivalent |
| 19:58.06 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: someone would probably tell you that you commit or push too often then |
| 19:58.16 | Torhal | I'm stuck using "hg record" and saying yes or no to staging for each hunk |
| 19:58.31 | thelibrarian | Torhal: absolutely. The best thing about git is the ability to do partial commits and stage some of your work without committing everything. |
| 19:58.57 | DWSR | ^\ |
| 19:59.00 | DWSR | Again |
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| 19:59.03 | Adirelle | thelibrarian, you can do that for svn too, but it requires either a good GUI or a really long command line |
| 19:59.04 | DWSR | Staging is win. |
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| 19:59.15 | DWSR | Adirelle: How? |
| 19:59.18 | arkanes_ | theres some cherry picking extension for hg |
| 19:59.35 | thelibrarian | git add -i = win |
| 19:59.35 | arkanes_ | Adirelle: you're limited to doing it at file scope in svn |
| 19:59.38 | Adirelle | beside "git add -p" I mean |
| 19:59.40 | Torhal | arkanes_: graphical? Else it's just another implementation of hg record |
| 20:00.00 | arkanes_ | Torhal: not sure |
| 20:00.04 | Torhal | Bleargh |
| 20:00.48 | thelibrarian | interactive rebasing is very powerful as well, but can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing |
| 20:00.53 | arkanes_ | Torhal: documentation suggests that tortoise hg will do it |
| 20:01.28 | Torhal | arkanes_: I'm on Linux :) |
| 20:01.46 | arkanes_ | pfft hippy |
| 20:01.54 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 20:02.00 | thelibrarian | which reminds me, it's about time to rebase my "Addons" repo back onto my vendor branch and see which changes have made it back into the mainline |
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| 20:02.27 | arkanes_ | tortoisehg actually also exists as a nautilus extension though |
| 20:02.31 | Connor_ | I'm ready to be holy but I oom too fast =/ |
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| 20:02.43 | Connor_ | I'm not 80 though, that might be why. |
| 20:02.48 | DWSR | Connor: Yes |
| 20:02.49 | thelibrarian | keep that gnome bloat off my machine please :P |
| 20:02.50 | DWSR | It is. |
| 20:02.53 | Torhal | Too bad I don't use Gnome. |
| 20:03.01 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:03.05 | arkanes_ | it can be used standalone too |
| 20:03.12 | arkanes_ | you'll have to suffer with the gtk |
| 20:03.22 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.5-beta-10 Core.lua: [+1 commit] Use the brand new LibActionButton-1.0 callbacks instead of nasty hooks. |
| 20:03.25 | thelibrarian | it still depends on 1,000,000 gnome libs |
| 20:03.27 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 04v1.5-beta-10 * 2f533ea /: [new tag] Tagging as "v1.5-beta-10". |
| 20:03.37 | Torhal | Dependency Hell! |
| 20:03.37 | Adirelle | let's if Kaelten ninja-fixed it |
| 20:03.47 | Adirelle | +see |
| 20:03.50 | arkanes_ | meh thats what package managers are for |
| 20:03.53 | thelibrarian | gtk is fine, i'm using it anyway for firefox and xfce |
| 20:03.57 | arkanes_ | bloat is not a thing that I believe in |
| 20:04.16 | thelibrarian | bloat becomes real obvious when you compile everything from source |
| 20:04.21 | arkanes_ | well |
| 20:04.32 | thelibrarian | not by hand, mind you, ports takes care of that for me |
| 20:04.36 | Torhal | If I want to install a solitaire game (not that I would) I tend to be skeptical when it wants to install twelve libraries and a wrapper program |
| 20:04.43 | DWSR | To whoever suggested SmartGit: Thanks, but the developer needs to be shot for zipping an installer. |
| 20:04.52 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: eh |
| 20:04.56 | Connor_ | Any holy priests here? |
| 20:04.58 | Torhal | DWSR: You're welcome |
| 20:05.24 | Torhal | thelibrarian: FreeBSD is the one reason I use Gentoo now - loved ports back in the day |
| 20:05.30 | arkanes_ | Torhal: modern software is mostly build out of libraries |
| 20:05.56 | Torhal | arkanes_: The point is, something relatively simple shouldn't require a fucking operating system :) |
| 20:05.59 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:06.01 | thelibrarian | Torhal: I've tried Linux several times but it eventually irritates me to the point where I go back to BSD |
| 20:06.04 | Torhal | ...beyond the one already installed |
| 20:06.13 | arkanes_ | Torhal: so get your 386 out and run dos |
| 20:06.19 | Torhal | :P |
| 20:06.26 | arkanes_ | Torhal: there's nothing simple about a solitaire program |
| 20:06.27 | DWSR | thelibrarian: You try Gentoo? |
| 20:06.30 | thelibrarian | yes |
| 20:06.31 | Connor_ | People use BSD? |
| 20:06.34 | arkanes_ | not in any objective sense |
| 20:06.41 | Adirelle | interesting, the packager apparently created the "withlib" version, but it isn't listed in the files page |
| 20:06.42 | arkanes_ | anything that uses a gui is de facto very complicated |
| 20:06.49 | thelibrarian | gentoo was too unstable |
| 20:06.51 | DWSR | arkanes_: Not really. |
| 20:06.54 | DWSR | thelibrarian: lolwat? |
| 20:06.59 | arkanes_ | DWSR: absolutely |
| 20:07.00 | DWSR | Did you unmask the testing branch or something? |
| 20:07.18 | arkanes_ | DWSR: you ever written a gui subsystem from scratch? |
| 20:07.31 | thelibrarian | DSWR: don't think so, but it was years ago. just remember libraries updating and suddenly nothing works anymore |
| 20:07.33 | DWSR | arkanes_: No, but I don't bother rewriting the wheel when I don't need to. |
| 20:07.35 | Connor_ | Any holy priests here? |
| 20:07.40 | arkanes_ | DWSR: right |
| 20:07.42 | DWSR | thelibrarian: Did you deep update world? |
| 20:07.45 | Torhal | There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We donât believe this to be a coincidence. â Jeremy S. Anderson |
| 20:07.52 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): keywords |
| 20:07.54 | arkanes_ | DWSR: and that is why people write solitaire programs that require libraries |
| 20:07.59 | thelibrarian | really don't remember. debian was better, but the linux kernel still barfed and randomly caused sound to stop working |
| 20:08.02 | thelibrarian | ALSA is horrible |
| 20:08.07 | DWSR | Still is. |
| 20:08.27 | durcyn | the new @preserved-rebuild system is an improvement |
| 20:08.32 | Torhal | ALSA makes me want to be nice to Fisker |
| 20:08.33 | DWSR | Torhal: SmartGit is a Java app? |
| 20:08.38 | Torhal | DWSR: Yah |
| 20:08.43 | DWSR | Fail to the extreme. |
| 20:08.59 | DWSR | If it's not written by Shirik and it is written in Java, there's just fail. |
| 20:08.59 | Torhal | Hey, it works :P |
| 20:09.02 | Parnic|Work | yeah, nevermind whether it works or not |
| 20:09.12 | durcyn | QA on gentoo unsable still makes me want to punch a million kittens though, i've found several collisions and missing dependencies just this past week, makes me wonder who even tests the shit before it gets pushed to mainline portage |
| 20:09.14 | thelibrarian | I also wrote some network drivers back in the 2.2 kernel days. I know a lot has changed since then, but the kernel architecture made me want to cut myself. so messy |
| 20:09.14 | Parnic|Work | let's all boycot java for no reason |
| 20:09.33 | DWSR | Parnic|Work: To be unfail, the app needs to be an improvement over the CLI. |
| 20:09.34 | thelibrarian | BSD is soooooo much better designed, even if hardly anybody uses it |
| 20:09.46 | DWSR | Being written in Java and taking a freaking month to start up is a serious negative. |
| 20:09.50 | Parnic|Work | dwsr: and clearly if it's java, that can't possibly be true, amirite? |
| 20:09.53 | Connor_ | "Thanks to your help, we got the Internet blacklist bill tabled until after the election. But now the big guys are fighting back: the U.S. Chamber of Commerce just sent a letter demanding the Senate pass the bill as soon as they come back in November." |
| 20:09.56 | Connor_ | fuckfuckfuck |
| 20:10.31 | arkanes_ | it's funny that the chamber of commerce is in the news lately as this sinister political force |
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| 20:10.49 | arkanes_ | back in my home town our chamber of commerce was 4 old ladies who didn't like skateboarders but baked awesome coffee cake |
| 20:11.48 | DWSR | Parnic|Work: It's not that I hate Java, it's that almost, with 2 exceptions, every piece of software that I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with that was written in Java took a fucking YEAR to start. |
| 20:12.19 | DWSR | So either the language sucks, or far more likely, the developers suck. |
| 20:12.37 | thelibrarian | DWSR: the runtime is a pig as far as startup time |
| 20:12.47 | thelibrarian | once it's up and running it can be really fast, so it's great for servers |
| 20:12.52 | Parnic|Work | dwsr: now you're being logical. let's judge software as a product of a developer, not a language. |
| 20:12.52 | thelibrarian | not so much for desktop apps |
| 20:13.15 | DWSR | Parnic|Work: I am against Java applications that are from developers who I have no experience with. |
| 20:13.18 | Baps | depends on the size of the app too. small apps will usually start pretty quickly |
| 20:13.28 | DWSR | But am for JAva applications developed by Shirik. See Minion /huggle |
| 20:13.40 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 20:13.47 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r8 embeds.xml: more lib futzing |
| 20:14.18 | Baps | lot of apps written in C take years to start up too, if they need to do a bunch of things before they're "ready". see most any game for an example. |
| 20:14.51 | arkanes_ | java in general does not have very good desktop app support |
| 20:14.55 | DWSR | Baps: But that's things like loading textures and stuff, where it's not so much the app itself but asset size. |
| 20:15.05 | thelibrarian | doesn't help that it's never had a very good gui lib |
| 20:15.11 | thelibrarian | swing is just ugly by default |
| 20:15.11 | DWSR | Baps: Java apps on the desktop have, historically, needed the ENTIRE FUCKING JRE. |
| 20:15.13 | arkanes_ | because of the slow runtime startup and the the relatively poor quality of the gui libraries |
| 20:15.20 | Baps | the default swing look and feel is not good |
| 20:15.34 | Baps | you can fix that yourself, but it's a pain |
| 20:15.39 | Baps | takes major effort |
| 20:15.45 | Baps | lot of apps don't bother |
| 20:15.46 | arkanes_ | thats not to say that it's impossible to make high quality java desktop apps, but you've got a higher bar to start |
| 20:15.49 | DWSR | The ENTIRE FUCKING JRE is not required for your app, most of the time. |
| 20:16.00 | arkanes_ | DWSR: what yeah it is |
| 20:16.08 | arkanes_ | by definition, the JRE is what runs java applications |
| 20:16.34 | DWSR | Sorry, I meant the default libraries that come with it. |
| 20:16.38 | DWSR | Or whatever they're called in Java. |
| 20:16.42 | DWSR | JARs? |
| 20:16.43 | durcyn | classes |
| 20:16.44 | arkanes_ | there aren't any |
| 20:16.49 | DWSR | thank you |
| 20:16.52 | Baps | classes are loaded on demand |
| 20:17.02 | Baps | as they're requested |
| 20:17.17 | DWSR | Baps: Then I would wager to guess that some developers figure they need /all/ of them. |
| 20:17.20 | thelibrarian | a lot of that startup time is class loading though |
| 20:17.22 | DWSR | Because its almost like running iTunes on Windows. |
| 20:17.26 | arkanes_ | the Sun JRE has poor default behavior with swapping, too |
| 20:17.34 | thelibrarian | X depends on swing which depends on awt which depends on 20 other libraries, etc |
| 20:17.37 | arkanes_ | which is further an issue with desktop apps |
| 20:17.41 | thelibrarian | *feature X |
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| 20:18.19 | thelibrarian | my biggest complaint is that the GC isn't very aggressive, so it gobbles up all your memory and never shrinks the heap |
| 20:18.26 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:18.33 | thelibrarian | again, great for servers where a lot of stuff is sharing a JVM |
| 20:18.35 | DWSR | Like I said, it's not that there aren't good examples of Java apps on the desktop. |
| 20:18.35 | Baps | so set a smaller heap.. |
| 20:18.38 | thelibrarian | not so good for the desktop |
| 20:18.44 | DWSR | It's that there aren't that many. |
| 20:18.55 | thelibrarian | Baps: then it just fails because it runs out of space :P |
| 20:18.57 | Baps | news flash: crappy programmers generate crappy code in all languages. =) |
| 20:18.59 | arkanes_ | the problem isn't actually that it gobbles up lots of memory |
| 20:19.07 | arkanes_ | it's that it then walks all over all that memory that it isn;t using |
| 20:19.14 | DWSR | Baps: News flash: Java is the most accessible language. |
| 20:19.28 | Baps | doesn't make all apps written in it crappy is my point |
| 20:19.30 | arkanes_ | memory you allocate but do not touch has basically no cost |
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| 20:19.58 | arkanes_ | Baps: assuming that a desktop app written in Java is going to be poor quality until it demonstrates otherwise is entirely reasonable |
| 20:20.09 | thelibrarian | it also never releases that memory back to the OS, even if it's filled with garbage. it just hangs on to it because it "might" reuse it |
| 20:20.20 | arkanes_ | especially something that you would expect to open and close regularly, like an SCM client |
| 20:20.30 | Baps | librarian: heap size can decrease these days |
| 20:20.31 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: thats not actually a real problem |
| 20:20.34 | Baps | didn't used to be the case |
| 20:20.46 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: http://pastey.net/142152 when respeccing, note: i did not restart wow after updating |
| 20:21.19 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: it's kinda questionable what "release back to the OS" even means when you have virtual memory |
| 20:21.24 | thelibrarian | I don't mean allocated memory that hasn't been touched, I know those pages don't actually exist, I mean claimed memory that is no longer used. |
| 20:21.38 | DWSR | arkanes_: Not really. |
| 20:21.39 | thelibrarian | arkanes_: but then the OS has to swap it to disk to make it useable for another process |
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| 20:21.42 | arkanes_ | DWSR: yes |
| 20:21.45 | thelibrarian | which has a definite cost |
| 20:21.54 | DWSR | "Virtual memory" still has a real cost. |
| 20:22.01 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: only if it keeps touching it, which java does |
| 20:22.10 | DWSR | ahahaha |
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| 20:22.15 | DWSR | Sorry, that quote OOC is amazing. |
| 20:22.29 | thelibrarian | even if it didn't touch it anymore, the OS would have to move it to swap first |
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| 20:22.38 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: maybe |
| 20:22.40 | thelibrarian | the incrased memory pressure also means less space available for things like disk cache |
| 20:22.53 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: it'd be paged on demand as memory pressure increases |
| 20:23.01 | thelibrarian | yes, but paging is expensive |
| 20:23.08 | arkanes_ | a little bit, sure |
| 20:23.12 | Baps | in a lot of systems (linux for example) if you never touch a page, it's never allocated in the first place |
| 20:23.14 | arkanes_ | but the kernel is good at it |
| 20:23.16 | thelibrarian | and paging when there's already memory pressure degrades performance of other apps |
| 20:23.20 | Baps | so it doesn't need to be swapped |
| 20:23.25 | arkanes_ | Baps: yes |
| 20:23.35 | Baps | because it started that way and is only filled when first touched |
| 20:23.59 | thelibrarian | it depends on the OS |
| 20:24.05 | Baps | yes it does |
| 20:24.14 | Baps | but "modern" systems are doing that way |
| 20:24.28 | Baps | demand page loading |
| 20:24.38 | thelibrarian | some of them don't page until they have to, and when they have to is when you really need it the most (because something else needs the memory), which is often when it's already loading stuff from disk |
| 20:24.51 | thelibrarian | others (BSD and OSX for instance) proactively swap idle pages out to disk |
| 20:24.52 | arkanes_ | windows is fairly bad at it |
| 20:25.05 | Baps | you're talking about paging out. |
| 20:25.06 | Baps | I |
| 20:25.15 | Baps | I'm talking about the step before that |
| 20:25.37 | Baps | you allocate 4G, you get a virtual memory range but no actual pages are assigned to it until they are touched |
| 20:26.10 | arkanes_ | Baps: part of the problem is that, at least in the Sun JRE, the GC *does* touch a lot of pages it doesn't actually need to |
| 20:26.34 | thelibrarian | i'm more talking about pages that *have* been touched, but are no longer needed, because all the objects in the have been garbage collected |
| 20:26.43 | thelibrarian | *them* |
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| 20:27.12 | arkanes_ | this causes a lot of problems with gui apps on windows, too, because windows will aggressivley page out pages in minimized windows apps, but when you switch focus to the app the GC will run and then the entire memory space gets paged in instead of just pages required |
| 20:27.12 | thelibrarian | common java coding practice encourages creating a lot of garbage |
| 20:27.17 | evl | I hate every living second I spend with Java, and Eclipse being my only available environment that's basically my entire work day. Die Java, die. |
| 20:27.26 | Baps | evl: IDEA is free |
| 20:27.31 | Baps | make your life better |
| 20:27.34 | thelibrarian | arkanes_: I'm not so sure win7 does that anymore |
| 20:27.36 | thelibrarian | XP definitely did |
| 20:27.43 | thelibrarian | but I haven't noticed it as much on 7, when minimizing things |
| 20:27.52 | arkanes_ | yeah I haven't analyzed win7 |
| 20:28.20 | thelibrarian | XP was really dumb with that |
| 20:28.26 | thelibrarian | it would page it out and excise the pages from memory |
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| 20:28.33 | arkanes_ | it was an entirely reasonable thing to do in general |
| 20:28.39 | thelibrarian | instead of just paging it out and letting them sit there until claimed by something else |
| 20:28.48 | thelibrarian | if they had done that, it could have avoided paging everything back in for the common cas |
| 20:28.51 | thelibrarian | case |
| 20:29.01 | arkanes_ | it just had bad side effects with certain GC implementations |
| 20:29.43 | thelibrarian | but I'm not sure if the windows VM implementation can handle pages that are backed by multiple physical locations (i.e. memory and swap file, or memory and executable) |
| 20:30.12 | arkanes_ | windows still just totally collapses under disk pressure |
| 20:30.27 | arkanes_ | any OS does, but windows dies faster & harder than linux & os x do |
| 20:30.42 | arkanes_ | partially because explorer.exe is a piece of crap |
| 20:33.04 | arkanes_ | thelibrarian: anyway, I read a paper by some guys at IBM where they wrote a java GC integrated a lot better with the linux VM, also adding a kernel model to expose some info to Java, and got some pretty significant performance improvements |
| 20:33.33 | arkanes_ | and with IBM putting their weight into openJDK its possible that some of that may make it into the Oracle JRE |
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| 20:40.03 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: update to 2aefb6f |
| 20:41.44 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: i'm on that actually |
| 20:41.52 | jnwhiteh | your bug report disagrees with you =) |
| 20:41.55 | jnwhiteh | and I just fixed that bug |
| 20:41.58 | jnwhiteh | or should haev |
| 20:42.12 | Stanzilla | mkay |
| 20:42.27 | jnwhiteh | that commit fixes it, actually |
| 20:42.30 | Stanzilla | well like I said, i didn't restart wow |
| 20:42.33 | Stanzilla | after updating |
| 20:42.36 | Stanzilla | so it might be that |
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| 21:24.42 | mitchnull | muh muh |
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| 21:35.43 | steev | Bloodsail Bucaneers 10/21000 |
| 21:43.51 | Mirrormn | man I need a better irc client |
| 21:46.26 | Ackis | grats steev |
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| 21:53.15 | ulic | how long did it take you steev |
| 21:54.13 | durcyn | revered isn't that bad, it's full exalted that requires you to farm one NPC in badlands for a decade |
| 21:54.26 | Megalon | Fisker |
| 21:54.30 | Megalon | it's that time of the day again |
| 21:54.42 | Ackis | steev: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Thunderlord&cn=Ackis&gn=Corrupt |
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| 21:55.22 | Parnic|Work | seriously? :P |
| 21:55.23 | Repo | Corrected some parameters for bonus wrappers. |
| 21:55.59 | steev | Ackis: slacker, you're still neutral with your guild :P |
| 21:56.17 | steev | also, how are you exalted with all your home factions but only friendly with horde |
| 21:56.27 | Ackis | faction transfer ftl |
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| 21:59.11 | Gnarfoz | why would you un-troll the troll? |
| 22:00.17 | Ackis | I went horde -> ally -> horde |
| 22:02.05 | steev | ahh |
| 22:02.27 | steev | did you do argent tournament as ally, just to go back to doing it yet again as horde? |
| 22:02.40 | Ackis | did most of it as ally since it reset |
| 22:02.51 | Ackis | when I went back to horde, it reset again but I submitted a ticket and got it fixed |
| 22:02.56 | steev | oh nice |
| 22:03.16 | Ackis | they were supposed to fix all my rep, guess they missed horde rep |
| 22:03.38 | Ackis | anyways i'm off |
| 22:03.39 | Ackis | ciao |
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| 22:07.36 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 22:07.37 | Fisker | ACKIS |
| 22:07.47 | Repo | 10skillet: 03yossa * r173 Skillet.lua: Skillet: |
| 22:07.47 | Fisker | It's intended that your rep resets |
| 22:07.49 | Repo | - Skillet will open for cooking/first aid |
| 22:07.52 | Fisker | so why should they fix it? :o |
| 22:08.08 | Megalon | Fisker |
| 22:08.10 | Megalon | FISKER |
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| 22:08.13 | Fisker | Megalon |
| 22:08.14 | Fisker | MEGALON |
| 22:08.18 | Megalon | it's intended that nada plays in 12hours |
| 22:08.22 | Stanzilla | FISKALON |
| 22:08.23 | Megalon | so why would you not watch it??? |
| 22:08.26 | Fisker | i'm at work |
| 22:08.36 | Megalon | MLRLGRLLGRGRLGMRL |
| 22:08.40 | Fisker | WOOOOOOOORk |
| 22:08.41 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:08.52 | Megalon | you are a fancy dude from ze internetz |
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| 22:08.55 | Megalon | watch it on your ipad |
| 22:08.58 | Megalon | :( |
| 22:09.00 | Fisker | LOL |
| 22:09.01 | Fisker | ipad |
| 22:09.03 | Connor1 | I'm at 68 |
| 22:09.03 | Megalon | did you watch todays games? |
| 22:09.04 | Fisker | you must be tripping |
| 22:09.06 | Megalon | DID YOU??? |
| 22:09.09 | Fisker | yeah Megalon |
| 22:09.11 | Connor1 | 68% actually |
| 22:09.14 | Megalon | oh man |
| 22:09.16 | Megalon | fakeboxer |
| 22:09.18 | Connor1 | Would going holy as a priest be bad for healing? |
| 22:09.24 | Connor1 | I don't oom at all as disc, but holy is way more fun |
| 22:09.24 | Megalon | he just took his slapchop |
| 22:09.28 | Fisker | actually think that's the first time i've ever seen a protoss actually react to having his DT tech discovered |
| 22:09.30 | Megalon | and went all over fruitdealers goods :( |
| 22:09.40 | Fisker | he came all over his goods |
| 22:09.54 | Megalon | didn't think much of him first |
| 22:09.56 | Megalon | but man |
| 22:09.58 | SunTsu | Connor1: Holy specc for healing? Sounds absurd |
| 22:10.00 | Megalon | this kid was prepared as fuck |
| 22:10.02 | Megalon | for his games |
| 22:10.13 | Connor1 | SunTsu |
| 22:10.16 | Fisker | doesn't nessecarily make him good though :P |
| 22:10.18 | Connor1 | I say this BECAUSE |
| 22:10.26 | Connor1 | Holy has Cataclysm mana regeneration right now |
| 22:10.28 | Connor1 | I.e. you oom fast |
| 22:10.31 | Fisker | technically also showed that Fruitdealer apparently wasn't that great |
| 22:10.38 | Connor1 | I might just get used to holy now tbh. |
| 22:10.46 | Megalon | yea, he said that he still has holes in his builds |
| 22:10.59 | Megalon | and fakeboxer just set the drill right on top of one |
| 22:11.10 | Parnic|Work | my holy priest is never oom. but i've stacked spirit as opposed to haste |
| 22:11.14 | Fisker | i think fakeboxer will be eliminated in the next round |
| 22:11.45 | Connor1 | Parnic I'm not 80 |
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| 22:12.13 | Fisker | anyway my logitech revue will be awesome Megalon |
| 22:12.18 | Fisker | then i can watch gsl on my tv |
| 22:12.28 | Fisker | without having to hook up my pc that is |
| 22:12.37 | SunTsu | I wonder why Alextrasza is way smaller than Deathwing will be, AFAIK they should be nearly the same size |
| 22:12.52 | Stanzilla | male > female dragons |
| 22:13.02 | steev | Connor1: go disc, heal as you dps |
| 22:13.08 | SunTsu | Stanzilla: but factor 10? |
| 22:13.10 | Connor1 | I don't like disc |
| 22:13.12 | Megalon | that's why nefarian and onxyia are the same size |
| 22:13.13 | Megalon | derp |
| 22:13.19 | Stanzilla | ;p |
| 22:13.21 | Parnic|Work | then play what you want to play |
| 22:13.21 | Stanzilla | lore fail! |
| 22:13.30 | Fisker | deathwing 10 times the size of alexstraza? |
| 22:13.32 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 22:13.37 | Connor1 | I oom too fast as holy though |
| 22:13.37 | steev | WATCH OUT IT IS THE LOREPOLICE |
| 22:14.12 | SunTsu | Fisker: by sketches of cata, him being way larger than a football field... |
| 22:14.23 | arkanes_ | I wonder why fordring is twice the height of a tauren |
| 22:14.40 | steev | arkanes_: winterfall water |
| 22:14.49 | arkanes_ | thats only 35% |
| 22:15.13 | arkanes_ | I think it's because he's actually 3 gnomes on stilts |
| 22:15.16 | steev | he's explointing and stacking them |
| 22:15.21 | durcyn | transporter malfunction, obviously |
| 22:16.06 | arkanes_ | SunTsu: deathwing when he appears during the hyjal quest chain, and alextrasa at the wrath gate, are of a similar size |
| 22:16.41 | Fisker | what about using in-game shots instead? |
| 22:16.47 | durcyn | therefore, bolvar is a dragon |
| 22:16.57 | SunTsu | arkanes_: I'm at wrath gate right now, and she's way smaller than the sketches I saw from deathwing, which made me wonder |
| 22:17.33 | Stanzilla | SunTsu: i think she's bigger at the end of the malygos encounter |
| 22:17.44 | arkanes_ | he can't be that much larger, because players have to fight him |
| 22:17.45 | Fisker | from what i'd figure deathwing is probably around 1-1.5 times bigger |
| 22:17.56 | arkanes_ | I predict that he will be about the same size as ony |
| 22:18.22 | arkanes_ | but that the size of his model in various non-encounter appearances will vary widely with whatever the quest designer felt was interesting |
| 22:18.34 | arkanes_ | like the one in badlands where you punch him in the face |
| 22:18.52 | arkanes_ | and he is the size of a mountain |
| 22:19.05 | Connor1 | Okay |
| 22:19.06 | Connor1 | I wnet holy |
| 22:19.44 | Connor1 | Went* |
| 22:19.51 | SunTsu | arkanes_: I really can't wait for him to show up and set zones at flames |
| 22:20.01 | Fisker | heh yeah arkanes_ |
| 22:20.14 | Fisker | in UP, LK is like 2-3 times as big as well i think |
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| 22:20.50 | Stanzilla | in that interview they said |
| 22:20.50 | Connor1 | How do I cast Holy Word: Chastise? |
| 22:20.58 | Stanzilla | they still have to figure out how to do the fight |
| 22:21.03 | Stanzilla | because they want to keep his size |
| 22:21.25 | arkanes_ | Stanzilla: they might cheat and do like the final fantasy boss thing where you're fighting just his claw and the rest of him is background or something |
| 22:21.32 | Killmore1 | anyone else notice it ? there's the button now to "upgrade" your wotlk to cataclysm but the link doesnt work |
| 22:21.43 | Killmore1 | on battle.net |
| 22:21.58 | arkanes_ | Killmore1: digital preorders should be open soon |
| 22:22.14 | Killmore1 | yup |
| 22:22.14 | Fisker | please god no arkanes_ |
| 22:22.23 | Fisker | btw any sauce on that or just speculation? |
| 22:22.35 | arkanes_ | on preorders or the boss fight? |
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| 22:22.39 | Fisker | preorders |
| 22:22.43 | arkanes_ | the preorders were mentioned at blizzcon |
| 22:22.46 | arkanes_ | no date |
| 22:22.46 | Fisker | yeah |
| 22:22.49 | Fisker | but that's not a date |
| 22:22.50 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:23.01 | Fisker | just wandering if were out of the loop |
| 22:23.05 | Fisker | if i* |
| 22:23.08 | SunTsu | I'll probably will never fight Deathwing, though, but I sure will be watching videos of that fight |
| 22:23.18 | arkanes_ | they said it would be soon enough before launch that you could download the whole thing |
| 22:23.24 | Fisker | they'll probably keep up with the whole ICC mantra |
| 22:23.27 | arkanes_ | so that means mid-late november at the latest |
| 22:23.30 | Fisker | buff players until they can pug him |
| 22:23.41 | arkanes_ | also there is now a button on battle.net, so it has to be "soon" :) |
| 22:23.48 | Fisker | oh yeah it's only 1½ month or so until release |
| 22:23.50 | arkanes_ | I hate to say it but Fisker is probably right |
| 22:23.53 | Fisker | time moves fast :E |
| 22:24.30 | arkanes_ | the general plan now is to make normal modes accessible and have hardmodes for the elitist jerks of the world |
| 22:24.40 | Fisker | one interesting thing they could do would be to make the buff only available in normal modes |
| 22:24.56 | Repo | 10archud3: 03nyyr * r18 Frames.lua: fixed ticket #10 (reappearing 3d model) |
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| 22:25.03 | Amadeo | Any raiding Prot Warriors in here? |
| 22:25.04 | Stanzilla | they said that they want to balance 10/25 with buffs |
| 22:25.09 | Stanzilla | that's so fugly |
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| 22:25.33 | Fisker | i don't think they'll be pretty successful with the whole 10 man being as hard as 25 man thing |
| 22:25.37 | Fisker | atleast not to begin with |
| 22:25.52 | Stanzilla | same |
| 22:25.57 | Stanzilla | it's just dumb |
| 22:26.17 | Fisker | an encounter like BQL will always be easier on 10-man |
| 22:26.24 | Fisker | unless they ramp numbers so high up it's impossible |
| 22:26.26 | Stanzilla | because of space |
| 22:26.52 | arkanes_ | there's plenty of ways to not make space the issue in encounters |
| 22:26.59 | Fisker | sure |
| 22:27.06 | arkanes_ | I agree they will probably not have it down at first |
| 22:27.07 | Fisker | but there's no indication of them actually doing that |
| 22:27.09 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 * r489 Baggins-Filtering.lua: fix itemlevel-rule |
| 22:27.09 | arkanes_ | but it's not like it's impossible |
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| 22:28.10 | Fisker | sleeptiems though |
| 22:28.11 | durcyn | so what's up with spirit shards still being lootable items |
| 22:28.16 | Repo | 10baggins: 03profalbert 06ace3 * r490 Baggins-Filtering.lua: fix ordering in itemtype-rule |
| 22:28.38 | arkanes_ | on a similar note, "of the physician" greens still have +spellpower |
| 22:28.53 | durcyn | all of the low level random enchants have +AP/+SP still, yeah |
| 22:29.55 | arkanes_ | anyway, getting rid of the buff disparity between 10/25 should help a ton in encounter balancing, because it means you can have the same per-player DPS check |
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| 22:30.28 | arkanes_ | 25s will have more flexibility about adjusting their healer to dps ratio, so it's easily possible that some encounters will be easier on 25 |
| 22:32.22 | vhaarr | Amadeo: yes |
| 22:33.20 | Amadeo | I'm new to the whole Prot thing...also still leveling to 80 (71 now) |
| 22:33.32 | Amadeo | You use any fancy addons or macros? I notice Prot has a LOT of keybinds |
| 22:34.00 | vhaarr | I use a mouseover devastate macro and bind my mousewheel to either HS or Cleave depending on situation |
| 22:34.12 | vhaarr | + a charge/intercept/intervene macro |
| 22:34.21 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: you still mousewheel that with the cooldown on it now? :O |
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| 22:34.36 | vhaarr | I devastate current target with it as well |
| 22:35.15 | vhaarr | but yeah, I just spam it |
| 22:35.30 | Stanzilla | I changed my HS mousewheel binding to execute :p |
| 22:35.50 | Stanzilla | not as prot obviously |
| 22:35.53 | Amadeo | wow, that's pretty crazy, never done a mousewheel bind |
| 22:36.07 | Stanzilla | takes a while to get used to |
| 22:36.13 | vhaarr | I have MW down as HS/Cleave + Devastate |
| 22:36.15 | Stanzilla | but then you're rollin rollin rollin :p |
| 22:36.22 | vhaarr | and MW up as shield slam |
| 22:36.34 | Hjalte | Get Inline Aura. Helps you keep the stuff up you need up on bosses. |
| 22:36.44 | vhaarr | so I basically just keypress for tc, demo, revenge and shield block |
| 22:36.45 | Amadeo | k |
| 22:37.05 | vhaarr | and mouseover devastate |
| 22:37.11 | Amadeo | You guys should msg me some of these macros...I'll add them to different keys though :P |
| 22:37.33 | vhaarr | what, /cast [@mouseover]Â Devastate; Devastate ? |
| 22:37.47 | vhaarr | yeah very advanced :P |
| 22:37.49 | Amadeo | lol |
| 22:38.01 | Amadeo | what's your charge/intercept/intervene? |
| 22:38.25 | vhaarr | castsequence with a reset= set to charge CD and separate conditional for friendly target to intervene |
| 22:39.02 | vhaarr | and shift: mod for intervene on enemy |
| 22:40.43 | vhaarr | I have two macros at the edge of my screen that rebind MW down to either hs+dev or cleave+dev, depending on encounter |
| 22:41.04 | Rokiyo | in case you're interested in some more macro-fu: (/cast [@mouseover] Devastate; Devastate) == (/cast [@mouseover][] Devastate) |
| 22:41.10 | vhaarr | obviously it doesn't work in combat though so I have hs and cleave on some arcane bindings as well |
| 22:41.34 | Rokiyo | i'm a fan of mouseover taunting |
| 22:42.01 | vhaarr | meh, maybe for ghouls on LK, but really since 4.0 noone does aoe unless specifically asked to almost |
| 22:42.05 | Rokiyo | ./cast [@mouseover,harm][@target,harm][] Growl |
| 22:42.05 | vhaarr | except fire mages maybe |
| 22:42.27 | Stanzilla | fire mage aoe is insane |
| 22:42.35 | vhaarr | so I tc 2 times between waves then tc+shockwave and all ghouls are on me anyway |
| 22:43.12 | Rokiyo | i think mages are slightly less insane at 85 |
| 22:43.37 | vhaarr | it's not that, it's the annoying auto-spreading of living bomb |
| 22:43.42 | Rokiyo | apparently crit drops off so damn fast as they level, that at 85 they're struggling to pull of the crits neccessary to keep everything going |
| 22:43.49 | vhaarr | which is hugely annoying for tanks |
| 22:44.13 | Stanzilla | 140k DPS on sindragosa trash :D |
| 22:44.26 | marshen | playing tank is annoying for tanks... waiting for DnD, shred, cons cd is fun! |
| 22:44.35 | marshen | *swipe |
| 22:44.41 | vhaarr | prot warrior is a breeze really |
| 22:45.05 | Rokiyo | i kinda like waiting for swipe |
| 22:45.07 | marshen | thunderclap has no 30sec cd? im wondering ;) |
| 22:45.27 | Rokiyo | it's MUCH better than macroing maul & swipe into one button and headbutting it repeatedly until my face bled |
| 22:45.42 | Rokiyo | i'm not generating any less aoe threat overall either |
| 22:45.44 | Rokiyo | so win win |
| 22:45.49 | vhaarr | eh, tc has 6sec cd |
| 22:46.42 | vhaarr | anyone experienced with WikiCreole? |
| 22:46.42 | marshen | yeah |
| 22:46.59 | marshen | but having no aoe cd ready while you try to pull is not that funny ;) |
| 22:47.18 | vhaarr | pull what? |
| 22:47.28 | vhaarr | seems like your problem is planning the fight, not ability cooldowns |
| 22:47.41 | vhaarr | but then again I never tanked with a DK so I dunno |
| 22:48.18 | vhaarr | Ackis: hlep wikicreolelol |
| 22:48.59 | vhaarr | ah I see |
| 22:49.48 | Rokiyo | do you guys get more aoe past 80? |
| 22:50.09 | Rokiyo | cos at 80, damn near anyone and anything can tank |
| 22:50.20 | Rokiyo | 4dps 1healer runs are very doable |
| 22:50.49 | Rokiyo | so not being able to hold aggro on the aoe fights isn't tooooooo bad |
| 22:50.50 | Stanzilla | none of the random dungeon tanks can hold aggro anyway :p |
| 22:51.25 | Rokiyo | my level 26 mage ran across the best example of that EVAR the other day |
| 22:52.00 | Rokiyo | this tank was pulling packs of 6 then spamming heroic strike on a single target |
| 22:52.14 | Rokiyo | the healer kept getting mangled |
| 22:52.16 | SunTsu | Stanzilla: I normally could, but people don't even let me pull anymore |
| 22:52.30 | Stanzilla | SunTsu: true |
| 22:52.43 | vhaarr | I did VoA with an offtank that tried to get initial aggro on Emalon adds with Demo Shout |
| 22:52.49 | vhaarr | I was healing on my priest |
| 22:52.59 | vhaarr | one renew on the tank while pulling and all the adds pwnt me |
| 22:53.02 | vhaarr | 3 times we wiped to this |
| 22:53.07 | Stanzilla | fade man! |
| 22:53.10 | vhaarr | loses faith in humanity |
| 22:53.11 | vhaarr | yeah right |
| 22:53.17 | vhaarr | you don't think I know that? :P |
| 22:53.23 | Stanzilla | I was joking :P |
| 22:53.34 | SunTsu | one of my guild's ex tanks put vigilance on my ghoul.. repeatedly |
| 22:53.51 | Rokiyo | doing it once i can understand... as a bear i've resorted to demo roar to grab packs when swipe has been cooling down |
| 22:53.56 | vhaarr | TLDR syndrome on the ability tooltip I guess?! |
| 22:54.08 | vhaarr | Rokiyo: your swipe isn't on cooldown at the pull :P |
| 22:54.16 | Rokiyo | but there's not excuse for not being ready the second time |
| 22:54.26 | Rokiyo | lol true |
| 22:54.27 | vhaarr | anyway, I obviously whispered him "do a thunderclap at the pull please, then shockwave when they gather up" |
| 22:54.35 | Stanzilla | most of my random tanks pull with taunt |
| 22:54.38 | vhaarr | but nah |
| 22:54.41 | vhaarr | demo shout ftw?! |
| 22:54.50 | Rokiyo | well |
| 22:54.56 | Rokiyo | if it's the start of the pull |
| 22:55.05 | Rokiyo | then dont prehot him :P |
| 22:55.21 | Rokiyo | as they say |
| 22:55.25 | Rokiyo | you can't heal stupid |
| 22:56.18 | vhaarr | well obviously, on the second pull I didn't |
| 22:56.35 | vhaarr | I shielded him and ran in, then greated heal when he had lost half hp |
| 22:56.43 | vhaarr | but yeah |
| 22:56.49 | vhaarr | he didn't use anything after that initial demo either |
| 22:56.53 | vhaarr | so all the adds went on me anyway |
| 22:57.14 | vhaarr | seriously what can you do in such a situation but despair |
| 22:57.29 | Stanzilla | shield PoM renew, fade on aggro /afk |
| 22:57.34 | vhaarr | :P |
| 22:57.44 | Parnic | WTB better error message when CC fails to install a mod update |
| 22:57.51 | Parnic | what failed and can i fix it? |
| 22:57.58 | Parnic | and why the heck do installs fail so frequently |
| 22:58.21 | vhaarr | marshen: just let them tank then if they pull :P |
| 22:58.59 | marshen | yeah i tried |
| 22:59.04 | marshen | but the damn healers heal them ^^ |
| 22:59.25 | vhaarr | you can't do 5mans today and relax :P |
| 23:00.14 | Repo | 10bootycall: 03Rabbit * r13 mmmbooty.lua: |
| 23:00.15 | Repo | Drycoded and untested support for other locales and some other random changes. |
| 23:00.48 | marshen | as holy pala i can <3 |
| 23:00.50 | marshen | holy shock afk |
| 23:00.53 | marshen | holy shock afk |
| 23:00.55 | marshen | holy shock afk |
| 23:01.12 | Stanzilla | don't forget your awesome flashlight |
| 23:01.22 | marshen | and wondrously after that comes a word of glory |
| 23:01.39 | marshen | that would cost mana... resurrect is cheaper in mana ;) |
| 23:12.40 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar * r213 BagsUI/FBoH_ItemButtons.lua: FBagOfHolding: |
| 23:12.41 | Repo | - Bank item buttons now should work like the bank buttons in the default UI. |
| 23:13.44 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 041.0.213 * r214 : Tagging as 1.0.213 |
| 23:15.07 | Repo | 10heatsink: 03durcyn 07master * 4.0.0.2-1-gc71aa6b Heatsink.lua: [+1 commit] allow bars to be restarted, solves Sword and Board / Berserk / Vanish issues refactor interrupt tracking, possibly still wonky. |
| 23:15.50 | durcyn | way to mangle the line breaks, git |
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| 23:19.53 | Repo | 10fbag-of-holding: 03feithar 074.0.1 * r215 BagsUI/FBoH_ItemButtons.lua: FBagOfHolding: |
| 23:19.53 | Repo | - Merged trunk changes into the branch. |
| 23:29.42 | vhaarr | ~seen tuller |
| 23:29.53 | purl | tuller <~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 13m 41s ago, saying: 'i've never been able to push to the curseforge/wowace git server :P'. |
| 23:29.54 | vhaarr | @seen tuller |
| 23:29.54 | vhaarr | ~ping |
| 23:29.54 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:31.29 | vhaarr | he pushed the Ace3 libs including full .svn folders into his Dominos git repo |
| 23:31.49 | vhaarr | ah, and apparently removed them again |
| 23:32.07 | Repo | 10heatsink: 03durcyn 07master * 4.0.0.2-2-ga158520 Heatsink.lua: [+1 commit] er, how about we don't end up with 37 bars for each item, then? |
| 23:32.58 | vhaarr | but not all of them, oh well |
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| 23:35.48 | Hjalte | Adirelle: Packager still broken for Inline Aura? >.< |
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| 23:43.49 | oscarucb | question about library embedding on wowace - it is really best practice to add each library in four different places, or is there a more concise technique? |
| 23:44.08 | Parnic | four different places? what do you mean? |
| 23:44.37 | oscarucb | toc/embeds.xml, toc OptionalDeps, .pkgmeta and svn:externals |
| 23:44.46 | oscarucb | not including the actual use of course |
| 23:44.59 | oscarucb | just seems needlessly repetitive and error-prone |
| 23:45.07 | Parnic | svn:externals isn't necessary. the others are and are all there for a reason |
| 23:45.16 | Parnic | embeds.xml is for embedded library installs |
| 23:45.23 | Parnic | optdep is for nolib installs |
| 23:45.25 | oscarucb | yeah i know each has a reason, but that doesnt make it any less repetetive and error-prone |
| 23:45.44 | Parnic | what i mean by "each has a reason" is that wowace shouldn't just do all that for you |
| 23:45.53 | Parnic | because then it takes control away from you |
| 23:46.21 | oscarucb | well it would be nice to at least have a default centralized "add this library to my addon" list that would do the smart thing for the 99% of the time when I want the usual |
| 23:46.45 | oscarucb | I mean how often do you really add a library in less than all four places? |
| 23:46.45 | Parnic | it would magically know the svn path and the installed folder name and where you want it to go? :P |
| 23:46.48 | oscarucb | on purpose |
| 23:47.04 | oscarucb | sure - I can provide all the necessary info in a centralized list |
| 23:47.17 | oscarucb | ideally via web interface |
| 23:47.37 | oscarucb | and have all the lists generated automatically |
| 23:47.51 | durcyn | why on earth would you still be using svn:externals, it was a shitty hack for the oldsvn packager |
| 23:48.08 | oscarucb | ... how else do you embed libraries in your svn working copy? |
| 23:48.11 | Parnic | because it's easier than installing each library separately for the purposes of updating |
| 23:48.16 | oscarucb | ^ |
| 23:48.17 | durcyn | why would you emberd your working copy? |
| 23:48.23 | durcyn | -r |
| 23:48.43 | pompy | oscarucb: http://kb.wowace.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/ that might help a little bit maybe |
| 23:49.00 | oscarucb | the packager is gonna suck in all the latest embeds when I tag a version, so I make sure I test that version before I tag a release |
| 23:49.24 | Parnic | well your best bet for testing it to download the lib&nolib versions that the packager generated as an alpha build :P |
| 23:49.34 | Parnic | s/it to/is to/ |
| 23:49.35 | oscarucb | yeah I do that too |
| 23:49.40 | durcyn | if your paths are correct, then you can test functionality with unembedded |
| 23:49.50 | durcyn | maybe i just don't like users are much as you |
| 23:50.06 | oscarucb | I like having one svn to suck in all the latest, personal preference I guess |
| 23:50.07 | Parnic | durcyn: not really...there are caveats to running embedded and disembedded that matter |
| 23:50.19 | Parnic | both need to be setup differently and tested separately |
| 23:50.30 | oscarucb | anyhow my question was whether anyone had a better + more reliable way to manage embeds, but I guess the answer is no |
| 23:51.14 | durcyn | eh, i'd script a yaml parser over .pkgmeta and pull 'em down that way, personally |
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| 23:54.08 | JerleMinara | anyone in Beta? |
| 23:54.19 | JerleMinara | Got a weird issue with Dominos/Bartender blowing up this patch, not sure the best way to debug |
| 23:54.29 | Tuller | oh boy :P |
| 23:55.58 | Tuller | um, well the first thing for me is "i needs me a diff of the latest ui code for the patch, or to switch to my desktop" |
| 23:56.26 | Tuller | but an error message itself would be nice |
| 23:56.53 | Parnic | kd3 hasn't sent a diff for 13221 that i can see |
| 23:57.38 | Parnic | ~framexml |
| 23:57.38 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 23:57.53 | Parnic | tekkub's is on 13202 still |
