| 00:02.11 | Gagorian | Torhal: But it's not like even close |
| 00:02.18 | Slayman | the social network is not a bad movie |
| 00:03.29 | Torhal | Gagorian: How do you figure? (I don't know if it's accurate or not, mind you...) |
| 00:03.57 | Gagorian | Torhal: Well I've checked a few projects but take mine as an example http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/dr-damage.aspx |
| 00:04.36 | Gagorian | If you add the downloads from 10.12.2010 until now and divide by 30 it's about 6.6k per day |
| 00:04.55 | Gagorian | but the display is around 3.3k |
| 00:05.18 | Gagorian | Not that it really matters, but I just don't get how it calculates |
| 00:06.40 | Gagorian | (and it's a week less than a month since that date, plus there's several releases I've deleted) |
| 00:07.03 | Gagorian | So it's probably less than a third of the 'real count' |
| 00:09.08 | *** join/#wowace mojosdojo (~mojosdojo@p4FEFC1C3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:09.22 | Torhal | Hrm |
| 00:09.39 | Torhal | That makes me wonder if it's only counting CC downloads. |
| 00:11.17 | Gagorian | I'd think the client would make a bigger portion of the total downloads, since I doubt people downloading manually would get updates as often |
| 00:12.35 | *** join/#wowace kandarz (~kandarz@c-67-183-240-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:14.36 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04v4.07-beta * r436 : RaidBuffStatus: |
| 00:14.37 | Repo | - Tagged as beta. |
| 00:19.30 | *** part/#wowace kandarz (~kandarz@c-67-183-240-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:30.05 | *** join/#wowace Next96 (Next96@121.129.140.110) |
| 00:32.22 | vhaarr | it only counts downloads from premium users, I thought |
| 00:44.14 | Xinhuan | that sounds wrong |
| 00:44.26 | Xinhuan | since premium users would be a minority of user base |
| 00:50.51 | *** join/#wowace ikt (~ikt@unaffiliated/ikt) |
| 00:50.58 | Xinhuan | and loads of ppl don't use CC too |
| 00:51.23 | bluspacecow | <--- guilty of never updating an addon until it breaks |
| 00:51.25 | bluspacecow | *hides* |
| 00:53.58 | Xinhuan | doing wrath dailies at AGT |
| 00:54.04 | Xinhuan | so much faster |
| 00:54.07 | Xinhuan | and same amount of gold |
| 00:54.11 | Xinhuan | as cata dailies |
| 00:54.54 | kagaro | btw kaelten curse client on the mac keeps asking for password i.e. it isnt saving it |
| 00:58.35 | Parnic | sigh, what the heck...do you guys get reports of your addons crashing the game too or is that just me? http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/tickets/110-game-crashes-w-dog-tags-off-while-zoning-in-combat/ |
| 00:59.19 | *** join/#wowace oscarucb (~oscarucb@adsl-69-208-55-83.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 00:59.22 | *** part/#wowace oscarucb (~oscarucb@adsl-69-208-55-83.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 00:59.57 | arkanes | so most of my guildies have switched from dbm to bigwigs and the tips on zoning are amusing everyone to no end |
| 01:00.04 | Torhal | Parnic: o.O |
| 01:00.16 | Torhal | How the fuck are you supposed to reproduce that? Heh. |
| 01:00.25 | Parnic | yeah, i know |
| 01:00.30 | Parnic | and how is it my fault that the client crashes? |
| 01:00.38 | Funkeh` | can't say I've heart them described as amusing before but ok lol |
| 01:03.14 | Torhal | Parnic: It isn't. But if you could figure out what IceHUD is doing during zoning, you may be able to work around it. |
| 01:05.27 | Parnic | that's assuming it's actually icehud's fault :P |
| 01:06.41 | Torhal | True - though, the user does indicate that the problem only happens when DogTags is disabled and he zones in combat. |
| 01:07.11 | Torhal | Though he doesn't indicate that he tried this more than once both disabled and enabled. |
| 01:07.20 | Torhal | So YMMV |
| 01:07.22 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:07.39 | Torhal | My suggestion: Reply to the ticket and set the state to Waiting |
| 01:07.42 | Parnic | heh :) |
| 01:07.48 | Torhal | If he doesn't respond in a month, mark it as invalid |
| 01:08.14 | Torhal | Sometimes you can get a dialog going and actually pinpoint something. |
| 01:08.52 | Parnic | here's hoping |
| 01:09.41 | *** join/#wowace kollektiv (~kollektiv@unaffiliated/kollektiv) |
| 01:10.30 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 01:22.10 | *** join/#wowace KriLL3 (~KriLL3@unaffiliated/krill3) |
| 01:40.28 | Torhal | DWSR: You alive? |
| 01:42.59 | *** part/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 01:46.44 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r7738 / (3 files in 3 directories): deDE update. |
| 01:50.14 | *** join/#wowace sylvaan (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 01:53.20 | Computerpunk | <Xinhuan> doing wrath dailies at AGT |
| 01:53.23 | Computerpunk | But where's your Cata rep? |
| 01:55.15 | Computerpunk | I'm doing AGT dailies for the badges lol. |
| 02:04.13 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7739 Core/BossPrototype.lua: |
| 02:04.14 | Repo | Core/BossPrototype: Tweak CheckBossStatus to work with multi-mob encounters and not rely on mob translation, drycoded. |
| 02:14.25 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7740 Core/BossPrototype.lua: Core/BossPrototype: remove some brackets |
| 02:15.41 | Xinhuan | Computerpunk, i'm maxed out with all cata rep |
| 02:16.06 | Computerpunk | :( |
| 02:16.10 | Computerpunk | k |
| 02:19.22 | Xinhuan | * Addon Packs Containing HandyNotes - Most Downloads / Day - Cartographer Replacement Pack |
| 02:19.24 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 02:19.25 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:31.57 | Torhal | Heh. Interesting. |
| 02:34.52 | *** join/#wowace BWMerlin (~chatzilla@CPE-60-226-105-114.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 02:36.57 | BWMerlin | in curse client what is the difference between installed data and data installed? |
| 02:37.10 | BWMerlin | date** |
| 02:39.11 | Repo | 10scrooge: 03thelibrarian 07master * 1.0-1-gf1454e3 / (4 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add an alternate tooltip that can be configured with different options than the primary. It can be set to show when you hold down a modifier key. Add a "simple totals" option to hide the Gained and Spent lines and only show a single Profit (or Loss) line. Work around issue with LibQTip cutting off the right side during tooltip updates. |
| 02:41.28 | *** join/#wowace bien|| (~bien@p4FF441A2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:49.41 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03mojosdojo * r7741 Baradin (2 files in 2 directories): Argaloth: Added some bars for meteor slash (ticket 254). |
| 02:53.13 | *** join/#wowace asqq (~asq@ool-18bf3099.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:00.22 | *** join/#wowace Diao (~vince@adsl-99-17-206-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:06.30 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r705 BadBoy.lua: anti-goldspam update |
| 03:09.57 | mckenziemc | BWMerlin: i might've misunderstood, but i think Curse Client shows a date for when the version you have installed was released (by the coders) and another date for when you actually installed it |
| 03:15.22 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03funkydude * r7742 / (7 files in 4 directories): Core/BossPrototype: improve multi-mob detection (Omnotron) |
| 03:15.23 | Repo | Encounters: move the remaining encounters over to CheckBossStatus |
| 03:38.21 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (~Kilroo@cpe-174-111-058-051.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 03:47.14 | Repo | 10broker_addon_ctrl: 03Smuggles * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): Broker_AddonControl.lua : fixed bug with locked addons |
| 03:51.01 | Repo | 10broker_addon_ctrl: 03Smuggles 041.1b * r8 : Tagging as 1.1b |
| 03:51.46 | *** join/#wowace Axodious (~hv8k8@modemcable106.115-23-96.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:54.51 | *** join/#wowace Athryn (~kvirc@bas1-ottawa23-1128678551.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 04:01.40 | mckenziemc | Parnic: regarding your IceHUD ticket (#110), back in january/february of last year, i -did- have an issue with an addon causing crashes like this one (i know an addon shouldn't be doing that but it never happened till after i intalled IceHUD), and after extensive testing i did get it to happen occasionally with only IceHUD enabled. However, soon afterward an update was released that seemed to have fixed it for me. I don |
| 04:02.39 | mckenziemc | it would'nt happen every time on zoning but i used Scarlet Monastery to test and got into combat before zoning; WoW seemed to crash about 1/5th the times i zoned |
| 04:05.11 | mckenziemc | i think i had narrowed it down to the module that shows target buffs, but it was really hard to test for because the crashes were intermittent. If you want, I can try testing again and see if i can reproduce -- it may be the same issue |
| 04:09.01 | Primer | Right now it seems my addon is causing hangs when zoning into specific instances |
| 04:09.30 | Primer | and I can't figure out why |
| 04:35.18 | *** join/#wowace mckenziemc (~mckenziem@dialup-4.246.251.60.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 04:40.39 | *** join/#wowace Lukian (~lukian@203.123.90.21) |
| 04:42.14 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 04:44.33 | *** join/#wowace Ingela- (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 04:49.06 | Parnic | mckenziemc: that would be great. I'm going to try to give it a few tests shortly as well. the TargetInfo module has undergone some serious redesign lately but that doesn't mean that the faulty code was removed :) |
| 04:56.45 | mckenziemc | aye |
| 05:00.10 | quiescens | o.o |
| 05:06.16 | *** part/#wowace Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-226-70-52.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:14.40 | *** join/#wowace zerix (~zerix@ip24-250-250-189.ga.at.cox.net) |
| 05:19.46 | Gnarfoz | @describe broker_addon_ctrl |
| 05:19.48 | Repo | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_addon_ctrl/. Broker_AddonControl. LDB addon to manage your addons |
| 05:20.13 | *** join/#wowace Venara (Venara@212.129.79.220) |
| 05:39.22 | *** join/#wowace Iblise (~Iblise@d75-152-180-141.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 05:47.50 | Repo | 10breakables: 03Parnic * r61 Breakables.lua: |
| 05:47.52 | Repo | - moved LibButtonFacade's Group:Skin call from :OnInitialize() to :OnEnable(). apparently OnInitialize is too soon and causes the custom skin to get overwritten. (ticket #9) |
| 06:11.03 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (Megalon@d86-32-5-111.cust.tele2.at) |
| 06:22.06 | *** join/#wowace Elmoe (~elmoe@c-24-17-246-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:33.07 | *** join/#wowace CrazyBenny (~s_m@193.165.209.194) |
| 06:44.42 | *** join/#wowace Foxor (Megalon@d86-32-5-111.cust.tele2.at) |
| 06:47.04 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@212095007040.public.telering.at) |
| 06:52.05 | *** join/#wowace profalbert1 (~profalber@213.162.68.116) |
| 07:03.44 | *** join/#wowace mitchnull (~opera@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 07:12.53 | BWMerlin | mckenziemc: CC has installed version, installed date, latest version, latest date, date installed and date updated |
| 07:14.43 | KriLL3 | anyone else spotted that pass between mulgore and stone talon? on the mulgore side it's nicely marked etc but on the other side you just end up on top of the zone divider mountains with clear guide as to where to go |
| 07:18.17 | *** join/#wowace Caleb| (~caleb@fibhost-66-83-191.fibernet.hu) |
| 07:20.05 | Fisker | with a clear guide even? |
| 07:23.26 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (~elkano@pool013.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 07:23.33 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 07:23.33 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Elkano] by ChanServ |
| 07:25.36 | *** join/#wowace Rokiyo (~Rokiyo@ppp59-167-157-109.static.internode.on.net) |
| 07:30.41 | *** join/#wowace Lukian (~lukian@203.123.90.21) |
| 07:31.10 | *** join/#wowace Zasurus (~Zasurus@78-105-174-15.zone3.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:33.13 | KriLL3 | + no |
| 07:43.14 | *** part/#wowace mitchnull (~opera@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 07:45.25 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@e199-212.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 07:48.05 | Fisker | with a clear guide no even? |
| 07:54.47 | sbu | Fisker: SB next week |
| 08:07.46 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@fortinat.ifs.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 08:10.53 | BWMerlin | anyone here use equilibrium notepad? |
| 08:11.16 | *** join/#wowace Adirelle|work (~Adirelle@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:35.05 | KriLL3 | oh the sweet innocent idiots on wowhead with comments along the lines of "zomg I'll take archeology to get this item, anyone got tips on farming it?" |
| 08:35.46 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (~kalroth@mail1.retailplanit.com) |
| 08:35.53 | Fisker | old sbu |
| 08:35.55 | Fisker | nevcairiel btw |
| 08:35.59 | Fisker | http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested/2 |
| 08:36.28 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 08:36.28 | KriLL3 | "Sandy Bridge is launching with no less than 29 different SKUs today" that's way too many imo |
| 08:36.38 | Fisker | no! |
| 08:36.51 | Fisker | why doesn't the unlocked 2600k support TXT and VT-d? |
| 08:39.10 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb * r180 ProfessionsVault.toc: update credits |
| 08:40.57 | *** join/#wowace Nickenyfiken (~Miranda@192.121.174.5) |
| 08:44.24 | KriLL3 | just me or are the old gods and their minions a lot less scary/special now that they're everywhere for no apparent reason? |
| 08:47.15 | *** join/#wowace felipe` (~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe) |
| 09:00.58 | Hjalte | KriLL3: Like the lich king before? |
| 09:01.06 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 09:01.13 | KriLL3 | he appeared everywhere |
| 09:01.27 | KriLL3 | which was kinda cool, but it made him less of a mystery |
| 09:02.43 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: no VT-d? wtf? |
| 09:03.25 | Fisker | yeah i don't get it |
| 09:04.25 | *** join/#wowace arkanes (~arkanes@python/site-packages/arkanes) |
| 09:05.52 | *** join/#wowace apejens (omega@numbat.inamo.no) |
| 09:20.49 | Arrowmaster | maybe it has something to do with the K's having a different integrated GPU |
| 09:21.04 | Fisker | nope |
| 09:22.22 | Fisker | oh weird |
| 09:22.35 | Fisker | the non-k has hd graphics 2000 and not 3000 |
| 09:22.39 | Fisker | that doesn't even make seeeeense |
| 09:23.17 | *** join/#wowace Vilkku (~Vilkku@86-60-144-24-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 09:23.17 | sbu | hmmm |
| 09:23.23 | sbu | Fisker: 2600 or 2600K? :| |
| 09:23.33 | sbu | still not sure what to get |
| 09:23.36 | Arrowmaster | why does the P67 support such shitty crossfire |
| 09:25.26 | Arrowmaster | and wow intel sucks at making these graphics, they mixed GB/s and Gb/s in the same diagram when both referring to PCI Express 2.0 |
| 09:26.46 | Kalroth | average joe cant tell the difference and 4Gb/s looks more impressive than 500MB/s! |
| 09:26.47 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 09:28.39 | mckenziemc | even then, 2nd question is are they actually gigabits, or gebibits |
| 09:28.59 | Arrowmaster | bits are always in base10 |
| 09:29.17 | mckenziemc | or neither (a la floppy megabytes) |
| 09:29.30 | mckenziemc | @ my previous line, not your response |
| 09:31.16 | Arrowmaster | http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/intel/sandybridge/review/chipsets.jpg |
| 09:31.29 | Arrowmaster | this makes no sense on the PCI Express 2.0 speeds listed |
| 09:34.14 | Kalroth | well it is the upper limit of pci express 2.0, but it sucks to mix it around like that |
| 09:34.37 | Kalroth | I guess they ran out of room to write 64 Gb/s |
| 09:51.31 | *** join/#wowace stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 10:09.21 | Rokiyo | has anyone heard of addons being able to cause error 132: memory access violation errors? |
| 10:09.35 | Rokiyo | apparently they are capable of doing such a thing now, and apparently were not able to in the past |
| 10:10.00 | Rokiyo | if this is true, what changed and when? |
| 10:13.34 | Hjalte | Rokiyo: I am pretty sure addons have always been able to crash your game. |
| 10:14.24 | Rokiyo | hrmm... |
| 10:14.26 | Rokiyo | do you know of a reliable way to trigger a memory access violations through lua code? |
| 10:14.34 | Arrowmaster | nobody probably knows exactly how or why but yeah addons have always been able to crash the game in some form or another |
| 10:15.37 | Rokiyo | well, wah |
| 10:15.41 | Rokiyo | :( |
| 10:16.13 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: for teh lulz? |
| 10:17.06 | Rokiyo | well, in my case, no lulz are involved :P |
| 10:18.17 | Rokiyo | some people are reliably getting error 132s when the following conditions are met: They are using IceHUD, they are in combat, they are zoning |
| 10:19.03 | jnwhiteh | in short, its not your issue |
| 10:19.07 | jnwhiteh | its Blizzards |
| 10:19.11 | jnwhiteh | they should report it using the crash reporter |
| 10:19.23 | jnwhiteh | and if you can find a way to stop it from happening, then that's gravy.. but its just a band aid |
| 10:19.40 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@chello213047049244.5.sc-graz.chello.at) |
| 10:19.44 | Rokiyo | unfortunately the blizzard response is "oh, it's an addon causing the problem.... talk to the authors" |
| 10:19.50 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:19.53 | arkanes | that is certainly not true |
| 10:19.58 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:20.03 | jnwhiteh | 'Blizzard' would not respond like that |
| 10:20.08 | arkanes | if your users are reporting that, I'd suspect the other stuff they're telling you |
| 10:20.09 | jnwhiteh | 1. the game is crashing |
| 10:20.13 | jnwhiteh | 2. addons should be unable to 132 the game |
| 10:20.26 | Arrowmaster | blizzards CS lackies that dont know shit would say 'its an addon, disable your addons' |
| 10:20.37 | jnwhiteh | yes, because your users are likely telling them the wrong thing |
| 10:20.41 | arkanes | part of the default response you'll get to any error report is to disable all addons |
| 10:20.42 | jnwhiteh | they need to use the crash reporter |
| 10:20.46 | jnwhiteh | and no one 'responds' to that |
| 10:20.54 | Arrowmaster | remember, trained monkeys do not represent a company even if they are employed by the company |
| 10:21.10 | arkanes | users who confuse that with "report this crash to the addon authors" are confused, though |
| 10:21.13 | KriLL3 | do poorly trained monkeys? |
| 10:21.18 | mckenziemc | lol Arrowmaster |
| 10:21.34 | jnwhiteh | you're listening to users |
| 10:21.36 | jnwhiteh | that's your first problem |
| 10:21.51 | Arrowmaster | users, like blizzard support staff, are stupid |
| 10:22.01 | arkanes | they do mostly tell lies |
| 10:22.06 | Rokiyo | lol, i haven't interacted with the users yet, i'm trying to play catch up on this issue :P |
| 10:22.07 | KriLL3 | people are prone to human error |
| 10:22.16 | arkanes | sometimes they're not lies on purpose |
| 10:22.23 | arkanes | but don't put too much trust in that :P |
| 10:22.35 | jnwhiteh | packard bell makes computers again |
| 10:22.36 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 10:23.02 | jnwhiteh | quick.. which netbook should I buy? |
| 10:23.03 | jnwhiteh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313612/ |
| 10:23.07 | arkanes | if they can easily reproduce it, and nobody else can, there is very likely a common element with them that is uncommon with everyone else |
| 10:23.34 | arkanes | some stuff I'd check out would be hacking on the large address flag, and of course stuff like glider |
| 10:24.32 | Fisker | weird trackpad jnwhiteh |
| 10:24.37 | Fisker | though seriously: none :( |
| 10:24.42 | jnwhiteh | why |
| 10:24.42 | Fisker | you should hate netbooks |
| 10:24.46 | KriLL3 | jnwhiteh: weird trackpad? |
| 10:24.48 | Fisker | with all of your might |
| 10:24.48 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7743 Baradin/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update |
| 10:24.54 | jnwhiteh | KriLL3: its a hard trackpad |
| 10:24.56 | jnwhiteh | ridged |
| 10:25.02 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 10:25.02 | jnwhiteh | like.. plastic with little bumps |
| 10:25.04 | Fisker | those are neat? |
| 10:25.06 | jnwhiteh | feels WEIRD |
| 10:25.08 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:25.09 | *** join/#wowace _EvilGrin_ (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 10:25.09 | Rokiyo | well, i can't be 100% sure if it's 2 different users experiencing this, but one report is here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1565216545#18 (stack traces make my eyes bleed waaah) |
| 10:25.18 | Rokiyo | and the other report is here: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/tickets/110-game-crashes-w-dog-tags-off-while-zoning-in-combat/ |
| 10:25.19 | KriLL3 | they're not bumps they're indentations, aka tiny holes |
| 10:25.45 | jnwhiteh | Rokiyo: you cannot get anything from these reports |
| 10:25.56 | jnwhiteh | they need to be reported, via the thing that generates them, to Blizzard |
| 10:25.57 | jnwhiteh | full stop |
| 10:25.59 | jnwhiteh | thats it |
| 10:26.05 | Rokiyo | in the battle.net thread, one of the blues manages to get as far as saying "an addon died while the user had something selected then zoned" |
| 10:26.14 | *** join/#wowace pnorman (~pnorman@d207-6-170-138.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 10:26.17 | Rokiyo | as soon as the user narrowed it down to icehud, the blues dissappeared |
| 10:26.24 | Rokiyo | they had been looking into it up to that point |
| 10:26.28 | jnwhiteh | it should not be on the forums |
| 10:26.32 | jnwhiteh | it should not be on the forums |
| 10:26.37 | jnwhiteh | it should go into their bug tracking system |
| 10:26.37 | Rokiyo | they asked him to post them |
| 10:26.39 | jnwhiteh | it should go to the UI guys |
| 10:26.40 | Rokiyo | the blues |
| 10:26.53 | Rokiyo | again, i'm just starting to look at this today |
| 10:27.02 | Rokiyo | i'm trying to get up to speed on the issue |
| 10:27.20 | Rokiyo | so i havent been encouraging anyone to post stack traces or anything like that :P |
| 10:27.30 | jnwhiteh | well I've said everything relevant to this, I'll leave you to it |
| 10:27.33 | arkanes | he says its been an issue for "nearly a year" |
| 10:27.52 | jnwhiteh | if he can tell you HOW and WHEN it happens, you can help him comment out code, until you can fix it |
| 10:27.55 | arkanes | which means thta it's extremely unlikely to be anything to do with your code, or even blizzards |
| 10:28.03 | jnwhiteh | then spend three months finding out which line causes the issue |
| 10:28.09 | Rokiyo | well, thanks all the same jnwhiteh, i do appreciate the effort |
| 10:28.17 | jnwhiteh | I know its frustrating |
| 10:28.22 | jnwhiteh | I've had these with all of my addons at some point |
| 10:28.27 | arkanes | he says "it's past being an issue on my end" which is clearly nonsense if its been crashing in the same circumstances with 2 *radically* different game clients |
| 10:28.33 | jnwhiteh | and I learned a lot from those experiences |
| 10:28.38 | jnwhiteh | he is full of nonsense |
| 10:28.48 | jnwhiteh | he's not giving you minimal anything, or any good information |
| 10:28.59 | jnwhiteh | 1. can you reproduce it with no addons loaded |
| 10:29.01 | Rokiyo | the closest clue we've got is "while DogTags are disabled (ie IceHUD then uses it's own internal methods for generating the status text), while in combat, and while zoning" |
| 10:29.08 | jnwhiteh | 2. can you reproduce it with just IceHUG loaded |
| 10:29.18 | jnwhiteh | if so.. under what conditions |
| 10:29.31 | Rokiyo | the guy here was far more helpful: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/tickets/110-game-crashes-w-dog-tags-off-while-zoning-in-combat/ |
| 10:29.43 | Rokiyo | he tested by running just icehud and bugsack/etc |
| 10:29.54 | Rokiyo | and running in and out of stockades |
| 10:30.03 | mckenziemc | needs an IceHug |
| 10:30.09 | jnwhiteh | then completely ignore the other guys |
| 10:30.13 | jnwhiteh | IceHugs mckenziemc |
| 10:30.16 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 10:30.44 | arkanes | "Maybe I'll just assign it to Rokiyo and make him fix it." |
| 10:30.45 | arkanes | I see! |
| 10:30.46 | Rokiyo | yeah no i'm not planning on wading into that battle.net thread and posting... they're already peeved :P |
| 10:30.51 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 10:30.53 | arkanes | have you been able to repro it yourself? |
| 10:30.56 | Rokiyo | nope |
| 10:31.06 | arkanes | then I'd consider your job done, honestly |
| 10:31.28 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 10:31.32 | arkanes | wow theres a lot of stupid in that forum thead |
| 10:31.35 | Rokiyo | that would be much easier, yes :P |
| 10:31.38 | Rokiyo | and yes there is lol |
| 10:31.38 | arkanes | ... I guess that's not really surprisiong |
| 10:32.01 | jnwhiteh | KriLL3: didn't know that |
| 10:32.05 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: why do I hate netbooks now? |
| 10:32.46 | mckenziemc | Rokiyo: i had what seems to be the same issue back in february or so of last year |
| 10:33.05 | Rokiyo | any idea why it started and/or stopped? |
| 10:33.08 | mckenziemc | i mentioned it to Parnic already, and i'll test if i can reproduce it myself with the current version |
| 10:33.14 | Rokiyo | thanks |
| 10:33.37 | mckenziemc | it started when i installed & used icehud, and seemed to stop after an update about a month later |
| 10:33.51 | mckenziemc | but i haven't been using IceHUD much lately |
| 10:34.30 | Rokiyo | part of me is wondering if this is might be like that whole recent atlasloot thing? |
| 10:34.59 | Rokiyo | where a whole bunch of people ended up with borked installed and needed to do a clean reinstall? |
| 10:35.09 | Rokiyo | installs* |
| 10:35.37 | arkanes | invalid lua files shouldn't cause crashes, ever |
| 10:35.43 | arkanes | textures have been known to |
| 10:35.49 | Fisker | they suck jnwhiteh |
| 10:35.52 | Fisker | low performance |
| 10:35.54 | jnwhiteh | its not even invalid Lua |
| 10:35.58 | jnwhiteh | its 100% valid Lua |
| 10:36.09 | arkanes | well they said they "fixed" it by redownloading |
| 10:36.19 | *** join/#wowace mckenziemc1 (~mckenziem@dialup-4.246.253.73.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 10:36.24 | jnwhiteh | its an issue in the UI system on Blizzard's end, always |
| 10:36.36 | mckenziemc1 | back then, i diffed the old and new files and noticed one thing that had changed was that the stack count for a target's buff had been set to nil in the old version, and to an empty string in the new, iirc; i figured that was what caused it but didn't look any further into it |
| 10:36.38 | jnwhiteh | if its fixed by something we can do.. that's unrelated |
| 10:36.42 | arkanes | sure |
| 10:36.51 | mckenziemc1 | dc'ed btw |
| 10:37.32 | Rokiyo | hrmm |
| 10:37.55 | Rokiyo | i'll look into it, but that code has seen some pretty big overhauls |
| 10:38.48 | mckenziemc | for the 2 new reports, which package were they using? release? |
| 10:39.40 | Rokiyo | and yeah jnwhiteh, i do accept that ultimately it is Blizzard's fault, but the novelty of solving mysteries has not yet worn off for me, and if I come up with some sort of workaround in the process then a couple more users get to go back to blissful ignorance again :P |
| 10:39.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:39.58 | Repo | 10handy-notes_flight-masters: 03Xinhuan * r86 HandyNotes_FlightMasters.lua: Update alliance data for Eastern Kingdoms. |
| 10:40.00 | *** join/#wowace Hell-Razor (~Hell@unaffiliated/hell-razor) |
| 10:40.07 | jnwhiteh | SimpleHTML:SetText(nil) crashed the client after 2.x something |
| 10:40.15 | jnwhiteh | LightHeaded was unhappy until I figured this out |
| 10:40.21 | Rokiyo | mckenziemc: your guess is as good as mine :P |
| 10:40.23 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 10:40.29 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 10:40.40 | Rokiyo | it also doesn't help that i've been pretty much offline for a month |
| 10:40.43 | KriLL3 | why can't his be better? |
| 10:40.47 | mckenziemc | installing latest release now and i'll test at Scarlet Monastery again |
| 10:40.55 | mckenziemc | lol krill |
| 10:41.00 | Rokiyo | so not only am I trying to catch up on the issues i've missed, i'm trying to catch up on the changes that have been made |
| 10:41.30 | mckenziemc | iirc i used my mage to test so ill do that and enable all modules to start |
| 10:42.00 | arkanes | frankly it already sounds like you have an entirely effective workaround - "use dogtags" |
| 10:42.16 | mckenziemc | blech |
| 10:42.20 | Rokiyo | lol |
| 10:46.08 | KriLL3 | lol gogo mount just made me enter travel form while free falling near Azshara |
| 10:46.21 | KriLL3 | had time enough to enter the spellbook and click swift flight in there luckily |
| 10:46.48 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:46.48 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017#comments |
| 10:46.51 | jnwhiteh | best bug reports ever |
| 10:46.54 | jnwhiteh | look at that screenshot |
| 10:46.56 | jnwhiteh | fucking carbonite |
| 10:46.58 | jnwhiteh | so so so ugly |
| 10:47.02 | KriLL3 | if I had turned into a flower or a whale it would have been a HGTTU re-enactment |
| 10:48.02 | Rokiyo | rofl |
| 10:48.09 | Repo | 10grid2: 03jerry * r550 GridLayout.lua: Another stab at fixing the pet template bug. |
| 10:48.22 | KriLL3 | http://i53.tinypic.com/jqnvag.jpg is that carbonite? |
| 10:48.35 | jnwhiteh | ugly as shit, yes. |
| 10:48.37 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:48.39 | jnwhiteh | look at the LH window |
| 10:48.42 | jnwhiteh | so cute! |
| 10:48.47 | *** join/#wowace pschriner (~dmps@p578b288a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:48.47 | KriLL3 | what does it do? other than give you EYEIDS? |
| 10:49.08 | jnwhiteh | rape your user interface with badly written code? |
| 10:49.24 | arkanes | floods the chat channels of you, your guild, and all your friends with insanely huge, chatty updates about everything you do |
| 10:49.24 | jnwhiteh | TomTomLite + default UI > Carbonite > QuestHelper |
| 10:49.27 | jnwhiteh | its sad, but true. |
| 10:49.28 | KriLL3 | does it have an actual purpose other than ruin your UI? |
| 10:49.55 | Rokiyo | didn't it, like, run ads in your client or something? at some point? before blizz banned that sort of thing? |
| 10:49.59 | KriLL3 | not familiar with that addon |
| 10:50.08 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:50.10 | mckenziemc | Rokiyo: crash reproduced on first attempt >.> |
| 10:50.10 | jnwhiteh | it was nagware |
| 10:50.10 | Rokiyo | this is how awful awful rumours are born |
| 10:50.14 | arkanes | they had a premium version |
| 10:50.19 | Rokiyo | oh wow |
| 10:50.25 | KriLL3 | it's some kind of QH clone? |
| 10:50.29 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 10:50.32 | Rokiyo | with dog tags on or off? |
| 10:50.36 | jnwhiteh | it existed before QH, afaik |
| 10:50.37 | mckenziemc | not installed |
| 10:50.41 | mckenziemc | default settings |
| 10:50.46 | mckenziemc | for icehud |
| 10:50.52 | KriLL3 | but not as good I take it? |
| 10:50.52 | arkanes | its one of those addons that does like a billion things |
| 10:50.59 | jnwhiteh | no, they both suck |
| 10:51.01 | jnwhiteh | TTL is better now |
| 10:51.03 | arkanes | mostly in horrible ways |
| 10:51.04 | Fisker | i like you |
| 10:51.14 | KriLL3 | well QH was good before blizz added that stuff |
| 10:51.21 | KriLL3 | now it's superfluous |
| 10:51.22 | jnwhiteh | you may be of that opinion |
| 10:51.24 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:51.25 | Rokiyo | it's a bundled lib, unless you did a nolib install, dog tags will be in there, and you can turn it on and off via a check box at the top of the ingame icehud config screen |
| 10:51.32 | KriLL3 | it was heavy as all hell but it was useful |
| 10:51.32 | mckenziemc | i use no-lib |
| 10:51.34 | jnwhiteh | we can agree to disagree =) |
| 10:51.37 | Rokiyo | ah ok |
| 10:51.54 | mckenziemc | i manually enabled all the OptionalDeps (cept dogtags of course) |
| 10:51.56 | Rokiyo | would you mind testing it with dog tags installed? just for the sake of process of elimination? |
| 10:52.01 | mckenziemc | ok |
| 10:52.04 | Rokiyo | thanks |
| 10:52.18 | mckenziemc | and i'll send every bug report i get to Blizz :p |
| 10:52.24 | Rokiyo | woot! |
| 10:53.41 | mckenziemc | oh i think LibRangeCheck is also not installed, for the record. maybe i should install it for consistency but i'll consider that later |
| 10:53.42 | Rokiyo | oh, another question: is it a completely clean install? ie no left over saved variables from your previous install? |
| 10:54.06 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 10:54.18 | Rokiyo | alright, cool |
| 10:54.22 | mckenziemc | just wiped my savevars yesterday |
| 10:54.48 | Rokiyo | what version are you using? |
| 10:54.56 | mckenziemc | latest release |
| 10:55.07 | Rokiyo | alrighty, thanks |
| 10:55.09 | mckenziemc | 1.7.4.1 release |
| 10:55.10 | Rokiyo | starts digging |
| 10:56.45 | Rokiyo | if you're up for it, once you've confirmed it only occurs while dog tags is off, trying to narrow it down to specific modules? |
| 10:56.54 | mckenziemc | yeah, will do |
| 10:57.05 | Rokiyo | err, grammar fail |
| 10:57.05 | Rokiyo | thanks |
| 10:59.38 | Fisker | btw Arrowmaster |
| 10:59.57 | Fisker | http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=664&Itemid=63&limit=1&limitstart=1 |
| 11:00.02 | Fisker | says it has VT-d and TXT |
| 11:01.15 | Trela | BRRRRR! |
| 11:03.08 | Trela | I had to turn on emergency heat on the HVAC system. D: Coooold. |
| 11:03.44 | Rokiyo | ah hrmm... |
| 11:03.47 | *** join/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 11:04.34 | Fisker | high velocity air condition ? |
| 11:04.56 | Arrowmaster | voltage |
| 11:05.23 | mckenziemc | just changed zones 10 times with dogtags enabled and no crash |
| 11:05.48 | Trela | Heating Ventilating, Air Conditioning. |
| 11:05.50 | Rokiyo | i've got another thing for you to add to your list of stuff to try: in combat, zoning while targetting yourself |
| 11:06.07 | Rokiyo | ie pull the mob, target yourself, then zone, with dogtags off |
| 11:06.24 | Rokiyo | i'm wondering if the problem is related to a target changed event |
| 11:06.29 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 11:06.38 | Rokiyo | and the target possibly not existing when the mod expects it to |
| 11:07.08 | Arrowmaster | Trela: ive heard it referred to as high voltage a few times but yeah heating ventilation is the proper name |
| 11:07.22 | BWMerlin | repo seen Azethoth |
| 11:07.36 | Fisker | i'm going with high velocity |
| 11:07.47 | mckenziemc | i haven't used IceHUD since before this new config screen -- how do i tell it not to use dogtags |
| 11:07.50 | *** join/#wowace EvilGrin (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 11:07.52 | Trela | Arrowmaster: I suppose high voltage in this case works because the arc flash I got trying to turn the breaker on lit up the damn garage. '.' |
| 11:08.07 | mckenziemc | i'm going to do that -and- disable the dogtag libraries in ACP |
| 11:08.14 | Fisker | buuuuuurn Trela |
| 11:08.26 | Rokiyo | cool |
| 11:08.51 | mckenziemc | nvm, i'm blind >< |
| 11:08.54 | Rokiyo | the dog tags setting is a tick box |
| 11:08.55 | Rokiyo | near the top |
| 11:09.11 | Rokiyo | soz, flatmates came home |
| 11:09.14 | Rokiyo | i got distracted :P |
| 11:09.29 | mckenziemc | i don't know how i missed it |
| 11:09.40 | Rokiyo | it's stealthy :P |
| 11:09.45 | Rokiyo | like a tauren rogue |
| 11:12.11 | mckenziemc | oh does it hide when DogTags is not present? |
| 11:12.12 | KriLL3 | do tauren rogues wear moccasins? |
| 11:12.19 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.07 | Rokiyo | i haven't tested it myself, but I believe it just auto disables if it fails to find it |
| 11:13.26 | Rokiyo | there's a lot of nil testing all through the mod every time it attempts to reference the dogtag lib |
| 11:13.56 | Rokiyo | also a lot of* |
| 11:15.57 | mckenziemc | ok, i had dogtags off, then zoned about 5 times with myself targetted with no crash, then 6th time i forgot to switch away from the mob, and it crashed. dunno if that was coincidental or not (since last time the issue happened, it wasn't 100% of occuring) |
| 11:18.08 | Rokiyo | hrmm |
| 11:18.27 | Rokiyo | ok, can you try it with target health turned off, and targetting the mob? |
| 11:18.33 | mckenziemc | k |
| 11:18.39 | Rokiyo | and then after that, with target health back on, but target mana off |
| 11:18.50 | Rokiyo | but methinks it'll be targethealth |
| 11:19.07 | *** part/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 11:19.11 | mckenziemc | are you busy atm, or could you figure out a simple addon to pastey for me? it would help debugging |
| 11:19.32 | Rokiyo | naw, not busy |
| 11:19.44 | Rokiyo | do you have buggrabber & bugsack? |
| 11:20.05 | mckenziemc | i need an addon that tracks how many times i've zoned, and prints it to chat each time i zone |
| 11:20.17 | mckenziemc | just the lua file and i can put it together |
| 11:20.32 | mckenziemc | i'd do it myself but i can't do two things at once :p |
| 11:21.34 | *** join/#wowace _EvilGrin_ (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 11:21.46 | Rokiyo | ah lol, i'm still a tad too new to the modding scene to start mods from scratch... i can dig around in the guts of icehud just fine, but that's several layers of abstraction away from normal addon code :P |
| 11:21.54 | mckenziemc | target health off, mob targeted, crashed |
| 11:22.00 | mckenziemc | ah ok, ill write it now |
| 11:22.00 | Rokiyo | hrmm |
| 11:22.25 | mckenziemc | actually i'll test mana first, so you can look for another thing to try |
| 11:22.43 | Rokiyo | icehud has 6 modules in total that care about your target |
| 11:23.10 | Rokiyo | hrm... it could be targetinfo actually, come to think of it |
| 11:23.12 | mckenziemc | i -think- that i had narrowed it down to TargetInfo last time |
| 11:23.18 | Rokiyo | that's got the most text in it |
| 11:23.53 | Rokiyo | true, you did mention that, but the code that displays buff icons and writes text on them doesn't interact with dogtags |
| 11:23.59 | Rokiyo | it might be the 4 lines of info text themselves |
| 11:24.06 | Rokiyo | which can use dogtags if you've got 'em |
| 11:24.51 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 11:25.07 | mckenziemc | all defaults minus target mana -> crash |
| 11:25.13 | *** join/#wowace Hati (kvirc@dslb-088-075-232-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:25.17 | mckenziemc | gonna write my zoning addon now |
| 11:25.21 | Rokiyo | cool |
| 11:25.26 | Rokiyo | thanks for this |
| 11:25.40 | Rokiyo | you've certainly gotten as a hell of a lot closer to understanding this problem |
| 11:25.43 | mckenziemc | i'm gonna be using IceHUD again so i want it fixed :p |
| 11:25.44 | Rokiyo | us* |
| 11:25.50 | Rokiyo | :D |
| 11:36.49 | evl | Is Frost the spec to be for PVE now? |
| 11:37.41 | KriLL3 | feels too CC oriented |
| 11:39.00 | mckenziemc | defaults minus TargetInfo -> 11 zones no crash |
| 11:39.26 | mckenziemc | and btw i'm using a mix of icelance, freeze, polymorph, or running up to melee, to get into combat |
| 11:39.43 | *** join/#wowace faCe| (~face@p5489A43D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:41.39 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r3179 LootTableModules/Cataclysm/cataclysm.lua: - re-added heroic trash items and commented them out |
| 11:41.42 | mckenziemc | all modules off but TargetInfo -> crash first try |
| 11:42.19 | Rokiyo | interesting |
| 11:42.24 | Rokiyo | so targetinfo is being a bad |
| 11:42.37 | mckenziemc | food break, then i'll try TargetInfo + targetting myself, i guess |
| 11:42.52 | Rokiyo | ah yeah, fair enough, though I expect that will work |
| 11:43.31 | Rokiyo | we've narrowed it down to the TargetInfo module, and only when losing your target due to a zone change, while in combat |
| 11:43.31 | mckenziemc | it -seems- like it's the only cause, i don't think any other modules cause a crash, but i technically haven't done a rigourous test (all other addons enabled + multiple zone changes) |
| 11:44.03 | mckenziemc | all other modules* |
| 11:47.54 | Rokiyo | so yeh, i get the niggling suspicion that in the end jnwhiteh's original assertion of "it's blizzard's fault" will ring true in the end, in that something TargetInfo is calling is somehow getting farther than it should in the attempt to query information in memory on a unit that has recently been or is in the process of being deallocated/GC'd |
| 11:48.24 | mckenziemc | same |
| 11:48.40 | jnwhiteh | addon code should not be able to crash the game, therefore any code that you can type or run in an addon that crashes the game is Blizzard's fault =) Therefore my assertion is vacuously true =) |
| 11:48.55 | Rokiyo | hah, fair enough |
| 11:49.06 | *** join/#wowace Next96 (Next96@118.32.87.206) |
| 11:49.27 | Rokiyo | brb food |
| 11:49.49 | mckenziemc | heh, just spammed blizz with 3 error reports in a row |
| 11:51.08 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh: then again, it could (theoretically) be an issue in the Lua interpreter itself. I doubt that's the case though |
| 11:51.14 | jnwhiteh | its not |
| 11:51.19 | jnwhiteh | that's not even a consideration |
| 11:51.33 | jnwhiteh | first of all, it from 7 years ago, and has seen so much wide testing that its not even funny |
| 11:51.45 | jnwhiteh | and, blizzard alters the Lua core themselves, making it their own issue =) |
| 11:51.50 | jnwhiteh | and WoW doesn't use an interpreter :P |
| 11:51.52 | mckenziemc | don't they have a list of the bugs on Lua's site |
| 11:52.01 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 11:52.19 | jnwhiteh | my rule still applies |
| 11:52.39 | Kalroth | jnwhitehs evil rule |
| 11:52.56 | mckenziemc | how though? if one of those bugs gets in the way of an addon... |
| 11:53.05 | jnwhiteh | then they need to patch it |
| 11:53.06 | jnwhiteh | its their code |
| 11:53.08 | jnwhiteh | always |
| 11:53.13 | jnwhiteh | our code should not be able to crash the client |
| 11:53.16 | jnwhiteh | if it can, it is their proble |
| 11:53.18 | jnwhiteh | always, 100% |
| 11:53.28 | jnwhiteh | no ifs ands or buts :P |
| 11:54.01 | *** join/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 11:54.17 | *** part/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 11:55.04 | KriLL3 | jnwhiteh: not even endless loops etc? |
| 11:55.09 | jnwhiteh | that's not a crash =) |
| 11:55.19 | jnwhiteh | that's a lockup |
| 11:55.20 | jnwhiteh | no crash report |
| 11:55.23 | jnwhiteh | user has to alt-f4 |
| 11:55.25 | KriLL3 | ah |
| 11:55.35 | jnwhiteh | cmon guys, this isn't rocket surgery =) |
| 11:55.53 | Arrowmaster | the -nil bug was epic |
| 11:55.58 | mckenziemc | endless loop with recursion = stack overflow crash, though :p |
| 11:56.13 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: it doesn't crash the client |
| 11:56.17 | jnwhiteh | the client catches it |
| 11:56.18 | Kalroth | stack overflow should be handled |
| 11:56.18 | jnwhiteh | you guys fail. |
| 11:56.32 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: -nil crashed the client |
| 11:56.37 | Rokiyo | i have to admit i'm with jnwhiteh here... they've given us a limited set of API calls with well defined expected behaviour, and they've specified what SHOULD happen if you through dumb stuff at the engine such as asking for the amount of health a non-existent unit has |
| 11:56.46 | Rokiyo | so when it crashes instead of doing what it said it would do in that situation |
| 11:56.48 | jnwhiteh | I'm not hypothesizing |
| 11:56.49 | Rokiyo | it's their fault :P |
| 11:56.54 | jnwhiteh | this is what we have been told by Blizzard |
| 11:56.58 | jnwhiteh | by Sam, and now by Tom |
| 11:57.00 | *** join/#wowace TNSe (~evil@ti0042a380-4577.bb.online.no) |
| 11:57.02 | jnwhiteh | its not conjecture =) |
| 11:57.13 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: and was their fault :P |
| 11:57.32 | Arrowmaster | well it was a lua bug that they then applied the patch to fix when it was found |
| 11:57.35 | Rokiyo | eh, i haven't seen stack overflows crash wow recently |
| 11:57.42 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: indeed =) |
| 11:57.49 | jnwhiteh | Rokiyo: they're handled, they never have |
| 11:57.59 | Rokiyo | they generate annoying errors, that further prevent bugsack from catch the error correctly because the stack is still in the overflow state |
| 11:58.01 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh, i was referring to stack overflow in the interpreter, not in an addon |
| 11:58.03 | Rokiyo | but they dont crash :P |
| 11:58.13 | Rokiyo | ah |
| 11:58.16 | mckenziemc | but yes, i agree that in the end it's up to blizzard to solve it |
| 11:58.43 | mckenziemc | my point is just that it could be from some obscure/complicated issue that blizz isn't in charge of |
| 11:59.00 | Rokiyo | i will happily mumbled apologetically and go my bad for asking the engine dumb questions such as "how much health does nil have?", but that's no excuse for the engine to fall over and die :P |
| 11:59.03 | jnwhiteh | they are in charge of ALL of them |
| 11:59.05 | jnwhiteh | why don't you understad that |
| 11:59.09 | quiescens | moo |
| 11:59.13 | jnwhiteh | they are using Lua 5.1's source, and its been altered and hacked to bits |
| 11:59.17 | jnwhiteh | they are 100% responsible for it |
| 11:59.26 | jnwhiteh | they can work with the Lua authors to come to a solutino, but its THEIR problem |
| 11:59.45 | mckenziemc | what if the backend is calling a Windows function that's actually causing the issue? |
| 11:59.53 | jnwhiteh | then its their problem |
| 11:59.55 | Rokiyo | so if they had not altered the lua source to suit their purposes, could we then argue that some of these problems are not blizzard's fault? |
| 12:00.00 | jnwhiteh | to interface with Microsoft |
| 12:00.05 | jnwhiteh | Rokiyo: I'd say no |
| 12:00.06 | jnwhiteh | its their client |
| 12:00.11 | jnwhiteh | they have code, they are compiling it, their problem |
| 12:00.24 | jnwhiteh | its in their best interest to ensure the client can't crash due to user action |
| 12:00.27 | Rokiyo | so why isn't it our problem when our addon prevents one of our users from playing the game? :P |
| 12:00.29 | *** join/#wowace Repo (~supybot@68.64.47.56) |
| 12:00.39 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh: but that's the same as saying 'it's up to the addon authors to ensure the addon can't crash due to user action' |
| 12:00.45 | Rokiyo | keep in mind i'm asking for the sake of debate |
| 12:00.46 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't prevent them from playing |
| 12:00.48 | mckenziemc | i don't see how you're drawing a line between them |
| 12:00.50 | jnwhiteh | they just have to close the game and restart |
| 12:00.55 | Rokiyo | i want to hear your opinions, i'm not trying to disagree with you |
| 12:00.58 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: no, its not? |
| 12:00.59 | Kalroth | or uninstall addon |
| 12:01.07 | jnwhiteh | here's the rule |
| 12:01.08 | jnwhiteh | 1 rule |
| 12:01.19 | jnwhiteh | addons and user code should be unable to crash the game client |
| 12:01.19 | jnwhiteh | full stop |
| 12:01.20 | jnwhiteh | that's it |
| 12:01.28 | jnwhiteh | Sam told us this. Tom has told us this |
| 12:01.31 | jnwhiteh | that's Blizzard |
| 12:01.36 | mckenziemc | except that that's not what we're arguing about |
| 12:01.39 | jnwhiteh | that's their perspective |
| 12:01.42 | mckenziemc | i said i agree with that |
| 12:01.43 | quiescens | o.o |
| 12:01.45 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 12:01.48 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Dynaletik * r3180 LootTableModules/Cataclysm/cataclysm.lua: - slabhide mount drops on normal diff, too |
| 12:02.15 | mckenziemc | ~trout queiscens |
| 12:02.15 | purl | ACTION slaps queiscens around a bit with a large trout! |
| 12:02.24 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: what is the point of contention then? |
| 12:02.27 | Kalroth | ~trout purl |
| 12:02.27 | purl | ACTION slaps purl around a bit with a large trout! |
| 12:02.35 | quiescens | ): |
| 12:03.10 | mckenziemc | s/queiscens/quiescens/ |
| 12:03.17 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: I think he wants you to say that an addon developer isn't responsible for the addon he is developing! |
| 12:03.31 | jnwhiteh | well I'm not going to, because that's absurd |
| 12:03.46 | mckenziemc | i'm saying that in the same manner that we are dependant on Blizzard to fix it, blizzard may be dependent on Microsoft or whomever (depending on what the root cause is) |
| 12:03.56 | Kalroth | No they are not |
| 12:04.00 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: so? |
| 12:04.04 | jnwhiteh | why is that relevant? |
| 12:04.10 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't change our situation in the least |
| 12:04.13 | jnwhiteh | THEY are still responsible |
| 12:04.20 | jnwhiteh | for filing the bug, following up with them, and getting it fixed |
| 12:04.35 | Kalroth | workâaround : a plan or method to circumvent a problem (as in computer software) without eliminating it |
| 12:04.36 | Rokiyo | i think we're coming from different places here guys |
| 12:04.41 | Kalroth | welcome to software development |
| 12:04.55 | mckenziemc | by analogy, we're responsibel for filing the bug, following up with them, and getting it fixed |
| 12:05.01 | Rokiyo | i think mckenziemc is just trying to, like myself, see and understand the big picture, even if it doesn't affect us directly |
| 12:05.04 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: no, |
| 12:05.06 | mckenziemc | them being blizzard in this case |
| 12:05.06 | jnwhiteh | because they've told us so |
| 12:05.08 | jnwhiteh | I win. |
| 12:05.16 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:05.23 | jnwhiteh | and we do 'report' it |
| 12:05.27 | jnwhiteh | by submitting the crash report |
| 12:05.32 | quiescens | everyone wins~! |
| 12:05.42 | Kalroth | If Blizzard got an issue with Windows, they can either 1) tell Microsoft to fix it 2) work-around |
| 12:05.44 | jnwhiteh | and seeing if we can narrow the case down to give them a one-liner so they can easily fix it |
| 12:05.57 | Rokiyo | yes, within the scope of a single developer attempting to fix his mod, the only point of escalation is to raise it up to blizzard |
| 12:06.06 | Kalroth | If we got an issue with WoW Lua, we can either 1) tell Blizzard to fix it 2) work-around |
| 12:06.21 | quiescens | more commonly, both |
| 12:06.22 | Kalroth | (an issue being a crash) |
| 12:06.36 | Kalroth | Yes, quiescens |
| 12:06.55 | Kalroth | But as a software developer it is normal to figure a way around the issue |
| 12:06.56 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh, i think you're mixing 'it's up to them to fix the problem' and 'it's up to them to get the problem fixed' |
| 12:07.07 | Rokiyo | wanting to understand our options as a developer with a bug, and wanting to understand the potential breadth of the issue are related topics, but they are not exactly the same thing |
| 12:07.09 | Kalroth | You don't just sit down, cross your arms and go: "Welp, I can't continue, too bad." |
| 12:07.11 | jnwhiteh | I'm not mixing anything up |
| 12:07.27 | jnwhiteh | I promise :P |
| 12:07.31 | Rokiyo | and in all fairness, looking at it from jnwhiteh's point of view is certainly the most practical way to proceed |
| 12:07.42 | jnwhiteh | Rokiyo: its terrible for customer support |
| 12:07.45 | jnwhiteh | so as I said hours ago |
| 12:07.48 | jnwhiteh | you can work to find a WORKAROUND |
| 12:07.52 | jnwhiteh | but you cannot FIX the issue |
| 12:07.55 | jnwhiteh | because the issue is not yours |
| 12:07.58 | Rokiyo | yep |
| 12:08.05 | jnwhiteh | that's the whole point :P |
| 12:08.07 | mckenziemc | and it may not be blizzard's |
| 12:08.13 | jnwhiteh | yes it is |
| 12:08.14 | jnwhiteh | it is always |
| 12:08.17 | jnwhiteh | they said so themselves |
| 12:08.19 | jnwhiteh | so I can't be wrong =) |
| 12:08.26 | Rokiyo | i'm working to find a workaround, i'm not attempting to fix blizz's code |
| 12:08.27 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.33 | Rokiyo | but i am too curious for my own good |
| 12:08.33 | jnwhiteh | they told us, flat out, that user written code should not be able to crash the client |
| 12:08.40 | jnwhiteh | that is law |
| 12:08.40 | Rokiyo | so i shall snoop outside my scope :P |
| 12:08.49 | mckenziemc | that doesn't make it blizzard's issue |
| 12:08.53 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 12:08.55 | jnwhiteh | yes it does |
| 12:09.02 | Rokiyo | hrmm.... flatmates watching helsing.... |
| 12:09.05 | mckenziemc | it's their issue to 'get it fixed' but not to 'fix it' |
| 12:09.05 | jnwhiteh | were you here for those conversations? |
| 12:09.06 | Rokiyo | bails out |
| 12:09.12 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 12:09.13 | jnwhiteh | they're the same |
| 12:09.17 | jnwhiteh | from our perspective |
| 12:09.21 | Kalroth | If you can make the client crash with Lua code, then it is definitely Blizzards problem |
| 12:09.24 | jnwhiteh | they provide us with a system |
| 12:09.30 | jnwhiteh | is should be crash proof |
| 12:09.31 | jnwhiteh | if its not |
| 12:09.34 | jnwhiteh | they will fix it |
| 12:09.36 | jnwhiteh | whatever 'fix it' means |
| 12:09.42 | Kalroth | It is ALSO your problem as the addon developer, sure |
| 12:09.43 | jnwhiteh | also, windows issues are BS |
| 12:09.54 | jnwhiteh | since its a cross platform client and I dont use your stinking windows |
| 12:09.54 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:10.01 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh, that's exactly what i've been saying, but you've been disagreeing with |
| 12:10.14 | Kalroth | Windows is for pussies, real men use CLI |
| 12:10.39 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 12:10.42 | quiescens | kalroth frantically types /cast (spell name) repeatedly to play the game |
| 12:10.53 | jnwhiteh | I don't know what conversation you have been reading |
| 12:10.57 | mckenziemc | lol quiescens |
| 12:11.03 | Kalroth | and /go w, /go w, /stop |
| 12:11.16 | *** join/#wowace Tuller (~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 12:17.34 | *** join/#wowace p3lim (~p3lim@200.41.202.84.customer.cdi.no) |
| 12:24.35 | mckenziemc | an addon is -responsible- for making their addon work, but they are not in -direct control- of all the code. blizzard is -responsible- for making their API and interpreter work, but depending on where the bug is, they may not be in -direct control- of the code containing the bug. Every time I said this, you seem to have responded with 'that's irrelevant, it's their responsibility'. I don't know if it's a wording issue |
| 12:24.54 | mckenziemc | an author* (at the beginning) |
| 12:25.20 | jnwhiteh | first off, there is no interpreter.. as I've already said. |
| 12:25.24 | jnwhiteh | You've also never said that precisely |
| 12:25.30 | jnwhiteh | and I've always been discussing responsibility |
| 12:25.35 | quiescens | oh noes, addons writing addons |
| 12:25.56 | jnwhiteh | regardless of whether or not they are in direct control of the code containing the bug, the are -responsible- for getting it fixed |
| 12:26.13 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh, it's what i've been saying the -whole- time |
| 12:26.21 | jnwhiteh | when an addon or user code crashes the client, the onus is fully on the UI team for World of Warcraft, and we can assist them as much as possible. |
| 12:26.30 | mckenziemc | Lua is interpreted |
| 12:26.42 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 12:26.46 | jnwhiteh | its compiled bytecode |
| 12:26.49 | jnwhiteh | there's no interpreter |
| 12:27.06 | jnwhiteh | the Lua 'interpreter' is a REPL loop of bytecode compilation |
| 12:27.07 | jnwhiteh | also |
| 12:27.07 | jnwhiteh | 12:04 mckenziemc: by analogy, we're responsibel for filing the bug, following up with them, and getting it fixed |
| 12:27.13 | jnwhiteh | you there say there we're responsible |
| 12:27.14 | jnwhiteh | we're not |
| 12:27.23 | jnwhiteh | we can help, but we're not responsible |
| 12:28.04 | mckenziemc | yes we are, we have that responsibility to our users, as addon writers |
| 12:28.18 | jnwhiteh | do we? |
| 12:28.24 | jnwhiteh | I don't know that we do |
| 12:28.31 | jnwhiteh | some may feel they do |
| 12:28.47 | jnwhiteh | but when Blizzard introduces a change to the system that crashes the game under bizarre circumstances |
| 12:29.09 | jnwhiteh | I may feel -compelled- to help and figure out whats going on, but I don't know that I have a -responsibility- to do it.. because I don't have a -responsibility- to support my addons at all |
| 12:29.12 | p3lim | any of you know why the above frame's backdrop is "fuzzy"? http://i.imgur.com/JDV7f.png |
| 12:29.23 | p3lim | no idea why, both frames use the same code |
| 12:29.28 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: because you're squinting |
| 12:29.37 | jnwhiteh | no, actually.. that's quite weird! |
| 12:29.43 | mckenziemc | Also, An interpreter may be a program that either |
| 12:29.44 | mckenziemc | 1) executes the source code directly |
| 12:29.44 | mckenziemc | 2) translates source code into some efficient intermediate representation (code) and immediately executes this |
| 12:29.45 | mckenziemc | 3) explicitly executes stored precompiled code[1] made by a compiler which is part of the interpreter system |
| 12:29.53 | mckenziemc | from wikipedia |
| 12:30.13 | jnwhiteh | Although we refer to Lua as an interpreted language, Lua always precompiles source code to an intermediate form before running it. |
| 12:30.33 | jnwhiteh | but you have been referring to the 'interpreter' in the Lua source |
| 12:30.34 | quiescens | doesn't everything these days |
| 12:30.36 | mckenziemc | jnwhiteh, by the same token, blizzard is not responsible for making their API work. they may feel that way, but they don't have a -responsibility- to make a working api |
| 12:30.37 | jnwhiteh | and there isn't one in WoW |
| 12:30.55 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: a ha. Except they told us they do. |
| 12:31.17 | mckenziemc | by writing and supporting an addon, you tell users you do |
| 12:31.23 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 12:31.24 | Kalroth | Blizzard could disable all external addons if they wanted. Policies change from day to day. But right now they are responsible, because they said so. |
| 12:31.26 | jnwhiteh | I disagree with you |
| 12:31.30 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 12:31.32 | jnwhiteh | by 'supporting' yes |
| 12:31.34 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: never seen something like this before? |
| 12:31.34 | jnwhiteh | but not by 'releasing' |
| 12:31.39 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: no, I haven't. |
| 12:31.53 | mckenziemc | theres' a implicit/explicit discrepancy, i'll admit |
| 12:32.02 | jnwhiteh | I release many addons |
| 12:32.04 | jnwhiteh | I do not support some of them |
| 12:32.07 | jnwhiteh | and I support some of them |
| 12:32.10 | jnwhiteh | I decide when I want to do something |
| 12:32.22 | mckenziemc | blizzard could decide to take back their word |
| 12:32.34 | mckenziemc | it's their decision, they're not legally bound |
| 12:32.34 | jnwhiteh | certainly, but they haven't |
| 12:32.38 | jnwhiteh | of course not |
| 12:32.42 | jnwhiteh | but that doesn't change that state of things |
| 12:32.50 | jnwhiteh | heres' the issue |
| 12:32.56 | jnwhiteh | you want to make me responsible for something |
| 12:32.57 | jnwhiteh | I'm not |
| 12:33.00 | jnwhiteh | you won't convince me of that |
| 12:33.07 | jnwhiteh | so if that' sall you want to do, we can stop talking about it now |
| 12:33.14 | Kalroth | You always work with current state, if you start to include potential scenarios then you'll never finish anything :) |
| 12:33.16 | mckenziemc | you want to make blizzard responsible for something. they're not |
| 12:33.17 | jnwhiteh | I am under no moral or ethical oblication |
| 12:33.26 | mckenziemc | nor is blizzard |
| 12:33.27 | jnwhiteh | they've made themselves responsible for it |
| 12:34.08 | mckenziemc | you've made yourself responsible for maintaining your addons, until you decide to stop |
| 12:34.10 | Kalroth | They're responsible, but they're not required to do anything about it. It's their software, they can do what they want. |
| 12:34.11 | jnwhiteh | we pay them |
| 12:34.14 | jnwhiteh | they claim they have an addon system |
| 12:34.20 | mckenziemc | you're confusing actions with words |
| 12:34.36 | Kalroth | no he hadn't, mckenziemc |
| 12:34.40 | Kalroth | hasn't* |
| 12:34.46 | quiescens | o.o |
| 12:34.47 | *** join/#wowace mojosdojo (~mojosdojo@p4FEFE2D4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:34.53 | Kalroth | You can release an addon with zero responsibilities |
| 12:34.57 | Kalroth | It comes as is |
| 12:35.08 | quiescens | you're all just going to get hung up on semantics |
| 12:35.20 | Kalroth | quiescens: It's either that or work, so .. :) |
| 12:35.24 | mckenziemc | same goes for blizzard's api. If that's where you make the decision, then that's where it ends |
| 12:35.34 | quiescens | depending on slightly varying interpretations of certain words |
| 12:35.35 | mckenziemc | yes, quiescens described the issue perfectly :p |
| 12:36.32 | jnwhiteh | semantics may be the root of the issue |
| 12:36.38 | jnwhiteh | but I'm being told I have a responsibility to do something |
| 12:36.43 | jnwhiteh | I'm not telling that to anyone =) |
| 12:36.52 | jnwhiteh | so my position is naturally less offensive :P |
| 12:37.00 | jnwhiteh | We are their customers. They claim to have an addon system that allows us to write addons. They have given us the additional guarantee that addons we write should not be able to crash the game client because of how that negatively impacts the users. |
| 12:37.06 | mckenziemc | you have a responsibility that can be shrugged off at any time, on your whim |
| 12:37.13 | jnwhiteh | why do I have it? |
| 12:37.16 | jnwhiteh | why do I ever have it? |
| 12:37.31 | mckenziemc | because you're maintaining addons |
| 12:37.45 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 12:37.45 | jnwhiteh | I'm releasing addons |
| 12:37.45 | Kalroth | lol |
| 12:37.46 | jnwhiteh | and I maintain some of them |
| 12:37.49 | jnwhiteh | they are completely distinct |
| 12:38.12 | mckenziemc | see, the issue is you don't 'maintain' an addon until you actually work on it |
| 12:38.23 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure all addons for WoW comes with "I MAY OR MAY NOT MAINTAIN THIS AFTER THIS RELEASE" |
| 12:38.23 | jnwhiteh | of the issues I've encountered, I've helped them fix one, and sidestepped two without a single word to Blizzard |
| 12:38.31 | jnwhiteh | fine |
| 12:38.33 | jnwhiteh | s/maintain/support/ |
| 12:38.39 | jnwhiteh | was your word anyway, or I would not have used it |
| 12:38.47 | Kalroth | maintain/support/update/fix/etc. |
| 12:38.51 | Kalroth | same thing |
| 12:38.56 | jnwhiteh | point is |
| 12:38.56 | mckenziemc | s/maintain/support/ |
| 12:39.02 | jnwhiteh | I don't have to |
| 12:39.06 | mckenziemc | ^ my point still holds |
| 12:39.06 | jnwhiteh | no, that's just false |
| 12:39.07 | jnwhiteh | jesus. |
| 12:39.09 | jnwhiteh | no it doesn't. |
| 12:39.16 | jnwhiteh | I support many of my addons every single day |
| 12:39.19 | jnwhiteh | without ever working on them |
| 12:39.31 | mckenziemc | no |
| 12:39.39 | *** join/#wowace KriLL3_ (~KriLL3@unaffiliated/krill3) |
| 12:39.41 | Kalroth | wut |
| 12:39.42 | *** join/#wowace pschriner (~dmps@p578b288a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:39.45 | mckenziemc | it's impossible to make that distinction |
| 12:39.46 | *** join/#wowace Brybry (~DT@ip174-69-138-78.br.br.cox.net) |
| 12:39.53 | Kalroth | it is? |
| 12:39.59 | jnwhiteh | no its not |
| 12:40.17 | Kalroth | one requires you to update the code, other requires you to say "yes", "no" or "cannot be done" on a forum or IRC |
| 12:40.30 | Kalroth | I'd say there's a pretty big difference :) |
| 12:40.48 | mojosdojo | Constructive note: This discussion is pointless :) |
| 12:40.54 | jnwhiteh | very |
| 12:41.05 | Kalroth | mojosdojo: Welcome to IRC, pointless since 1986! |
| 12:41.05 | jnwhiteh | but I don't like someone telling me I have responsibility for something |
| 12:41.19 | jnwhiteh | and had issues to fix that only required 85% of my attention |
| 12:41.37 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: You're a living human being, you have a responsibility for this earth |
| 12:41.44 | Kalroth | Hah, there! |
| 12:42.14 | mckenziemc | if you claimed to support an addon today, but tomorrow a bug was found, and you decided not to update the addon, did you really support it today? |
| 12:42.17 | Kalroth | Plant a tree, blow up a car, stop eating meat, wear clothes made of weed! |
| 12:42.28 | Kalroth | ~lart mckenziemc |
| 12:42.28 | purl | follow's mckenziemc with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 12:42.35 | mckenziemc | the idea of 'support' depends on an actual issue to have any relevence |
| 12:42.49 | Kalroth | now you're being dense on purpose (I hope :) |
| 12:43.19 | mckenziemc | well, we -did- take the issue down the philosophy alley |
| 12:43.26 | jnwhiteh | did we? |
| 12:43.33 | Kalroth | yeah, but you've left that alley a long time ago |
| 12:43.34 | jnwhiteh | i'm arguing very practical terms |
| 12:43.38 | Kalroth | I think we're in the sewers now |
| 12:43.51 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (~thief@port-92-200-112-159.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 12:43.51 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (~thief@unaffiliated/thiefmaster) |
| 12:44.05 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/pOmQW.jpg |
| 12:44.07 | mckenziemc | give me a concrete, tangible definition of 'responsibility' |
| 12:44.22 | mckenziemc | good luck defining an abstract concept in 'practical' terms :p |
| 12:44.48 | *** join/#wowace quiescens (~quiescens@203-217-28-61.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 12:44.49 | Kalroth | re·spon·si·bil·i·ty |
| 12:44.50 | Kalroth | 1. The state, quality, or fact of being responsible. |
| 12:44.50 | Kalroth | 2. Something for which one is responsible; a duty, obligation, or burden. |
| 12:45.03 | jnwhiteh | seems pretty straightforward to me |
| 12:45.22 | Kalroth | 2. The obligation for the proper custody, care, and safekeeping of property or funds entrusted to the possession or supervision of an individual. See also accountability. |
| 12:45.22 | mckenziemc | doesn't solve our issue |
| 12:45.29 | quiescens | blarg |
| 12:45.32 | jnwhiteh | we don't have an issue, because I think we're done talking |
| 12:45.36 | mckenziemc | you've just changed the words to 'duty, obligation, or burden' |
| 12:45.41 | quiescens | so evidently the netsplit isn't fixing itself |
| 12:45.50 | Kalroth | quiescens: You're stuck with us! |
| 12:46.02 | jnwhiteh | mckenziemc: but the fact remains that I have none of them |
| 12:46.03 | Kalroth | no, you asked for "a concrete, tangible definition of 'responsibility'" |
| 12:46.04 | quiescens | i was stuck with ackis |
| 12:46.07 | jnwhiteh | four words, and I have nonoe of them |
| 12:46.10 | quiescens | and 17 others |
| 12:46.21 | Kalroth | quiescens: At least you're back now!! |
| 12:46.24 | jnwhiteh | WowheadPoints |
| 12:46.27 | jnwhiteh | completely unsupported addon |
| 12:46.30 | jnwhiteh | I made this clear |
| 12:46.33 | mckenziemc | Kalroth: those are neither concrete nor tangible |
| 12:46.48 | quiescens | hopped servers manually, noone was talking |
| 12:46.49 | quiescens | ): |
| 12:46.57 | Kalroth | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/responsibility I'd say this is pretty concrete! |
| 12:47.09 | jnwhiteh | must be sad if you want to re-join this "conversation" |
| 12:47.14 | Repo | 10bigwigs_chogall_worship_marker: 03Maat * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): initial commit |
| 12:47.21 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:47.30 | Repo | 10bigwigs_chogall_worship_marker: 03Maat 041 * r3 : Tagging as 1 |
| 12:48.07 | quiescens | better than nothing, etc |
| 12:52.27 | Torhal | mckenziemc: You're making me want to kill things. |
| 12:52.59 | Torhal | Yes, it's my fault for reading scollback. |
| 12:53.08 | Torhal | However, you're making me want to kill things. |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace stew_a (~Stewart@client-86-29-43-157.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace bien| (~bien@p4FF441A2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace Olison (olison@fukdruidsgrr.org) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace Dotted (Dotted@bureaucrat.wowwiki.dk) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace asmodai (asmodai@dhammapada.xs4all.nl) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace mort (~mort@nrbg-4dbe07f4.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace malifae (~malifae@fallout.pyrocumulus.org) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace Talyian (~quassel@unaffiliated/talyian) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace Talryn (~Talryn@unaffiliated/talryn) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace dafire_ (~dafire@h1330469.stratoserver.net) |
| 12:53.09 | *** join/#wowace cncfanatics (cncfanatic@unaffiliated/cncfanatics) |
| 12:53.10 | *** join/#wowace erikd (~aphistic@claymore.novustorm.com) |
| 12:53.10 | *** join/#wowace tlund (~tlund@envy.nxs.se) |
| 12:53.10 | *** join/#wowace Shefki (~breser@macshare.com) |
| 12:53.10 | *** join/#wowace Ackis (~Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 12:53.10 | *** join/#wowace Grum (~grum@codebase2.xs4all.nl) |
| 12:53.10 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Ackis] by niven.freenode.net |
| 12:53.16 | mckenziemc | well now that i scared Rokiyo away |
| 12:53.21 | mckenziemc | it's time to play some WoW >.> |
| 12:55.07 | *** join/#wowace stew_a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 12:55.53 | mckenziemc | Torhal: sorry, i like taking abstraction to extremes :p |
| 12:57.53 | Torhal | Extremist! |
| 12:58.13 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 12:58.26 | Torhal | Your bridge isn't very sandy Fisker. |
| 12:58.52 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 12:59.04 | Fisker | exactly Torhal |
| 12:59.06 | Fisker | i want to know why |
| 12:59.26 | Torhal | Fisker: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time.php |
| 12:59.32 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 12:59.34 | mckenziemc | watches as Fisker sinks into a pool of quicksand |
| 12:59.41 | Fisker | old Torhal |
| 12:59.51 | Torhal | I am! |
| 13:00.30 | mckenziemc | purl, 'fisker' |
| 13:00.39 | mckenziemc | purl, "fisker" |
| 13:01.04 | mckenziemc | dah, i had hoped it would still work with quotes, so i could do another bounce effect with lua_bot : / |
| 13:01.34 | Fisker | i came? |
| 13:01.44 | mckenziemc | ~darksecrets |
| 13:01.44 | purl | lua> function f(c)return string.char((string.byte(c)-1)%256)end;print((('J(n!jo!mpwf!xjui!Gjtlfs"'):gsub('.',f))) |
| 13:01.48 | lua_bot | purl: I'm in love with Fisker! |
| 13:01.49 | purl | O.o |
| 13:02.25 | *** join/#wowace Caleb| (~caleb@fibhost-66-83-191.fibernet.hu) |
| 13:04.18 | Kalroth | awww |
| 13:06.22 | mckenziemc | purl, do you love me? |
| 13:06.23 | purl | yes, I love me. |
| 13:06.39 | mckenziemc | ~echo lua> 'do you love me?' |
| 13:06.39 | purl | lua> 'do you love me?' |
| 13:06.40 | lua_bot | purl: do you love me? |
| 13:06.40 | purl | yes, I love me. |
| 13:07.28 | mckenziemc | i almost want to set up my own supybot to chat with purl, but i'm already too far toward spamming the channel |
| 13:09.56 | *** join/#wowace Mikk1 (~Mikk@78-73-98-74-no162.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 13:09.56 | *** join/#wowace Mikk1 (~Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 13:09.56 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Mikk1] by ChanServ |
| 13:10.29 | Fisker | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 13:10.30 | Fisker | OMFG LOL |
| 13:10.38 | Fisker | L O L O L O |
| 13:13.29 | mckenziemc | *shrug* |
| 13:13.49 | mckenziemc | btw Torhal some of that was playing Devil's Advocate |
| 13:13.52 | Kalroth | Fisker just realized how much of a Microsoft fanboi he is! |
| 13:14.45 | Fisker | no Kalroth |
| 13:14.52 | Fisker | i just saw shg's price on a p67 motherboard |
| 13:15.00 | Fisker | almost 380⬠|
| 13:15.03 | *** join/#wowace Next96 (Next96@118.32.87.206) |
| 13:15.04 | Kalroth | wow |
| 13:15.21 | Fisker | it's more expensive than the most highend X58 board i've seen |
| 13:15.25 | Fisker | when it was launched |
| 13:15.30 | Fisker | i don't even |
| 13:16.05 | Kalroth | edbpriser doesn't even have the socket yet :( |
| 13:16.08 | Fisker | hmm |
| 13:16.14 | Fisker | geizhals lists it at 329⬠|
| 13:16.18 | Fisker | surely they must have gone mad |
| 13:16.51 | Fisker | http://www.shg.dk/Produkter/ASUS-Maximus-IV-Extreme-LGA1155-P67-2243163.html |
| 13:17.21 | Kalroth | http://www.bj-trading.dk/newshop/default.asp?skvare=4597343 |
| 13:26.55 | evl | Kalroth: best domain ever |
| 13:27.03 | evl | just not sure who i'd like to trade for |
| 13:27.04 | Kalroth | I was about to comment on that :P |
| 13:27.48 | *** join/#wowace Lysithea (Lyset@c-03a272d5.017-172-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:41.12 | kadrahil | Fisker: are the p67 boards for the new socket coming out this month? |
| 13:41.56 | Fisker | it's out now |
| 13:44.37 | kadrahil | hrm |
| 13:44.46 | Repo | 10vendor-automate: 03jerry 04v1.2.1-release * r14 : Tagging as v1.2.1-release |
| 13:52.18 | *** join/#wowace Axodious (~hv8k8@modemcable106.115-23-96.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 13:58.26 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@chello213047049072.5.graz.surfer.at) |
| 13:58.29 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Maat * r7744 / (2 files in 2 directories): |
| 13:58.33 | Repo | Chimaeron.lua add a Mortality soon warning (ticket 243 or well a warning at least) |
| 13:58.34 | Repo | Conclave.lua add wind blast and storm shield (ticket 253, 249) |
| 14:00.06 | *** join/#wowace Sliker (~ponies@80.229.119.146) |
| 14:00.38 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 14:04.44 | Repo | 10libfail-2-0: 03Maat * r26 LibFail-2.0.lua: make Double Dragon Devouring Flames spam less |
| 14:05.52 | *** join/#wowace pb_ee1 (~nospam@tru75-4-82-227-168-103.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:07.01 | *** join/#wowace pb_ee1 (~nospam@tru75-4-82-227-168-103.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:11.03 | *** join/#wowace Lysithea (Lyset@c-03a272d5.017-172-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:11.14 | mckenziemc | Fisker |
| 14:13.55 | *** join/#wowace Torhal (~callahan@74-128-172-43.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 14:13.55 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Torhal] by ChanServ |
| 14:15.05 | *** part/#wowace CrazyBenny (~s_m@193.165.209.194) |
| 14:18.15 | *** join/#wowace Wobin (~quassel@124-168-59-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:18.15 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin] by ChanServ |
| 14:28.52 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.6-beta-6-3-g3544e00 Defaults.lua: [+1 commit] Added Inner Will for priests. |
| 14:32.37 | *** join/#wowace phyber (phyber@irssi.co.uk) |
| 14:36.20 | Rokiyo | mckenzimc: lol |
| 14:37.29 | mckenziemc | hides |
| 14:37.45 | pb_ee1 | casts Hunter's mark on mckenziemc |
| 14:38.23 | mckenziemc | casts CoS and Vanish |
| 14:39.19 | Fisker | mckenziemc |
| 14:39.40 | mckenziemc | Fisker |
| 14:41.01 | mckenziemc | one-shots Fisker with Ambush. |
| 14:43.13 | Rokiyo | rofl |
| 14:43.17 | Rokiyo | sooooo |
| 14:43.33 | Rokiyo | anyone happen to have a handy list of the events that usually get called when you zone? |
| 14:43.41 | Rokiyo | my google-fu fails me this time, it seems |
| 14:44.33 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.26 | Rokiyo | ah, that'll be why nobody has bothered |
| 14:45.30 | Rokiyo | *cough* |
| 14:45.31 | Rokiyo | thanks |
| 14:47.43 | *** join/#wowace Therzok__ (~Computerp@85.186.122.45) |
| 14:47.43 | *** join/#wowace Computerpunk_ (~Computerp@85.186.122.45) |
| 14:49.21 | Rokiyo | GEEZUS!!! |
| 14:49.27 | Rokiyo | that's a lot of events fired off >.< |
| 14:54.35 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 14:56.17 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03jongt23 * r7745 / (3 files in 3 directories): esES update |
| 14:59.36 | *** join/#wowace profalbert1 (~profalber@e197-035.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 15:00.19 | Rokiyo | alright... so according to the order of events as I receive them... attacking something then leaving the instance causes me to drop combat, then drop my target, and then I leave the world |
| 15:00.34 | Rokiyo | which makes me wonder why this error only apparently occurs when you zone out while in combat |
| 15:01.17 | BWMerlin | is this error http://pastebin.com/W08akma3 and ace3 error or a littlewigs error or something else |
| 15:03.37 | Rokiyo | it does look like littlewigs: AceLocale is complaining that Littlewigs asked it to look up the translation for "focus_message", but it could not find the entry for "focus_message" in Littewigs' localisation files |
| 15:04.06 | *** join/#wowace EvilGrin (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:04.17 | *** join/#wowace selckin (~selckin@unaffiliated/selckin) |
| 15:05.19 | mojosdojo | Gnarfoz: I tested the update zoning problem. I coundn't find something, it does not never happen to me. |
| 15:05.37 | mojosdojo | Even in laggy zones like Og. |
| 15:06.22 | *** part/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@e197-035.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 15:08.50 | Repo | 10inline-aura: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.6-beta-6-5-gea7f3f8 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 15:08.51 | Repo | ea7f3f8: Fixed validation of spell names (tickets #187) |
| 15:08.52 | Repo | 7cc2cdb: Do not prevent glowing of in-cooldown/unusable spells in state modules. |
| 15:10.54 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r151 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 15:10.55 | Repo | - added Mastery Rating/Mastery to TankPoints stat breakdown in paperdoll tooltip |
| 15:13.32 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (~funk@5ad4d5e4.bb.sky.com) |
| 15:13.33 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 15:13.33 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Funkeh`] by ChanServ |
| 15:14.14 | *** join/#wowace Zasurus (~Zasurus@78-105-174-15.zone3.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:19.19 | *** join/#wowace Silowyi (~silowyi_d@99-5-223-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:22.28 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r7746 / (3 files in 3 directories): frFR Update |
| 15:24.53 | Repo | 10census-wholib-version: 03sylvanaar * r32 / (2 files in 1 directory): Merge |
| 15:35.58 | *** join/#wowace mitchnull (~opera@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 15:43.47 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r152 TankPoints.lua: |
| 15:43.48 | Repo | - updated reversioning code to work with the not work with the thing |
| 15:47.00 | *** join/#wowace ghli (~Ghli@netblock-68-183-229-37.dslextreme.com) |
| 15:54.48 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0.9-4-gd475240 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Added support for a Only with digiste visibility for archaeology display option |
| 15:58.19 | koaschten | hands kagaro a cookie. |
| 15:59.06 | mckenziemc | steals kagaro's cookie |
| 15:59.53 | kagaro | gahh stealing ma cookies |
| 16:02.14 | *** join/#wowace tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 16:02.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 16:06.18 | *** join/#wowace Slayman (~dejhap08@port-12921.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 16:06.31 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0.9-5-g6d178ac Display.lua: [+1 commit] Added an extra update check after the last dig was completed so the minimap updates in sync |
| 16:08.25 | Fisker | koaschten |
| 16:09.53 | Fisker | koaschten |
| 16:10.28 | koaschten | Fisker |
| 16:10.33 | mckenziemc | ctrl-alt-deletes Fisker |
| 16:10.49 | koaschten | mv Fisker /dev/null |
| 16:15.34 | *** join/#wowace Baraius_ (~bhuddlest@150.105.84.5) |
| 16:19.32 | *** join/#wowace Sapu (~Sapu94@24-205-239-250.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) |
| 16:19.44 | *** join/#wowace Baraius (~bhuddlest@150.105.84.5) |
| 16:21.22 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0.9-6-g4439b54 Display.lua: [+1 commit] Special case of digsite isibility for STV sicne the landmark is STV and not STV jungle Or Cap of STV |
| 16:25.13 | Fisker | koaschten my friend |
| 16:25.20 | Fisker | please don't mv me there |
| 16:25.30 | Fisker | i saw a sandy bridge today koaschten |
| 16:28.08 | Repo | 10gathermate2: 03kagaro 07master * 1.0.9-7-g4e3e32d Display.lua: [+1 commit] more update changes to ensure minimap nodes reset properly |
| 16:28.37 | *** join/#wowace Zasurus (~Zasurus@78-105-174-15.zone3.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:29.38 | BWMerlin | i get a blizzard error in bug sack http://pastebin.com/W375kpMD |
| 16:29.52 | BWMerlin | how do i find out what is causing that and where do i report it? |
| 16:30.09 | *** join/#wowace groktar (~gr@209-234-197-181.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 16:30.28 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1578 Data/DeathKnight.lua: - Added missing localization key |
| 16:31.05 | Fisker | btw koaschten |
| 16:31.26 | sbu | Fisker: giev sandybridge now plz!1 |
| 16:31.59 | Fisker | then get one |
| 16:32.00 | Fisker | btw sbu |
| 16:32.02 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 16:32.05 | Fisker | then i cri'd |
| 16:32.09 | Fisker | then i rage'd |
| 16:32.12 | sbu | yea, whatever |
| 16:32.15 | Fisker | no! |
| 16:32.16 | sbu | then you killed a guy, right? |
| 16:32.21 | Fisker | i should |
| 16:32.55 | Fisker | Asus' Maximus IV Extreme is almost more expensive than the most expensive X58 motherboard |
| 16:33.06 | Fisker | mind = blown |
| 16:33.45 | *** join/#wowace NeoTron (~neotron@pool-108-17-169-178.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 16:34.47 | *** part/#wowace mitchnull (~opera@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 16:34.58 | *** join/#wowace _EvilGrin_ (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:35.31 | nevcairiel | that board is more expensive then the cpu you put on it! |
| 16:35.45 | *** join/#wowace Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 16:36.03 | BWMerlin | this taint error does it need to be ticketed as ace or prat? http://pastebin.com/y8GXJbMU |
| 16:36.25 | nevcairiel | thats prat, but its not prats fault that castglyph breaks |
| 16:36.33 | *** join/#wowace mckenziemc1 (~mckenziem@dialup-4.246.255.127.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 16:37.03 | Fisker | but seriously nevcairiel |
| 16:37.13 | Fisker | how can it be more expensive than a x58 motherboard |
| 16:37.24 | nevcairiel | milking the enthusiasts |
| 16:37.43 | nevcairiel | i'm getting me a nice p8p67 pro, stupid gigabyte doesnt use uefi as it looks like |
| 16:37.49 | Fisker | wat? |
| 16:37.54 | pompy | nevcairiel: lol is this you? http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/823 |
| 16:38.15 | Fisker | i can't believe that nevcairiel |
| 16:38.38 | nevcairiel | they even claim in the specs that its an award bios |
| 16:38.44 | nevcairiel | screenshots show the default blue layout thingy |
| 16:38.50 | nevcairiel | pompy: my name is rather unique |
| 16:40.05 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r153 / (2 files in 1 directory): - You'll get a commit message when i'm good and ready |
| 16:40.14 | Fisker | :/ nevcairiel |
| 16:40.25 | Fisker | anyway |
| 16:40.31 | Fisker | i want the maximus IV |
| 16:40.43 | BWMerlin | nevcairiel: do i ticket this or just ignore it? |
| 16:40.48 | Fisker | according to the site i can get a bitchin' skin for GPU-Z that will probably break on the next update |
| 16:41.03 | nevcairiel | i'm not paying double the money for a "normal" motherboard, sorry :P |
| 16:41.23 | Fisker | does your "normal" motherboard get you a bitchin' skin for gpu-z? |
| 16:41.30 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03arith * r3181 Locales/constants.tw.lua: zhTW update |
| 16:41.34 | Fisker | can you overclock your computer using a mobile at a range of up to 10 meters? |
| 16:41.43 | nevcairiel | why would i want that |
| 16:42.03 | nevcairiel | if i'm not at my pc, i cant use the performance, so why overclock it! |
| 16:42.04 | Fisker | so you can justify that ipad you always wanted |
| 16:42.34 | mckenziemc1 | but nevcairiel, your movie will play faster! |
| 16:42.37 | *** join/#wowace Kalroth (kalroth@3e6be51c.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 16:42.44 | Fisker | i even get 3dmark vantage and kasperky FOR FREE |
| 16:42.57 | Fisker | even though i don't use neither of those |
| 16:43.00 | nevcairiel | the pro also has some antivir |
| 16:43.10 | nevcairiel | didnt specify which |
| 16:43.12 | nevcairiel | probably same |
| 16:43.13 | Fisker | and i can get schutzstaffel USB 3.0 |
| 16:43.24 | Fisker | or maybe that's superspeed? i dk |
| 16:43.25 | Fisker | idk* |
| 16:43.53 | nevcairiel | yes, you dk |
| 16:44.03 | Fisker | heck |
| 16:44.15 | Fisker | i can even take screenshots of my bios so i can share my settings |
| 16:44.23 | Fisker | instead of making a simple configuration file for the same purpose |
| 16:46.12 | Fisker | koaschten ? |
| 16:46.17 | nevcairiel | that whole ROG shit is hilarious |
| 16:46.18 | kadrahil | or writing down the settings on a piece of paper, scanning them, and uploading the image |
| 16:46.23 | nevcairiel | so much money making |
| 16:46.31 | Fisker | do you know where nevcairiel lives? I think he had a stroke over the sound of how awesome that motherboard is |
| 16:47.01 | nevcairiel | i think he even is the closest to me from the other german guys around here |
| 16:47.11 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r154 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 16:47.12 | Repo | - Created, and use, AceDebug-3.0. Move to Ace3 created fake debug functions, because Ace3 doesn't have an AceDebug-3.0. Hacky functions weren't identical to AceDebug, and causing errors. |
| 16:50.37 | *** join/#wowace Sintacks (Syntax@173-80-126-1-swby.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 16:54.00 | Parnic | fisker why aren't you my steam friend? |
| 16:59.32 | Repo | 10deathnote: 03slaren * r18 / (9 files in 1 directory): |
| 16:59.33 | Repo | - Announcing to chat channels enabled (also added option to limit the number of announces/10 secs) |
| 16:59.34 | Repo | - Added highlighting of the duration of survival cooldowns |
| 17:00.00 | Fisker | why aren't you my friend Parnic? :( |
| 17:00.30 | Fisker | anyways nevcairiel |
| 17:00.48 | Fisker | i want ze maximus because it has all pci-e and all usb 3.0 :( |
| 17:01.21 | kadrahil | native usb 3.0? or still using the expansion card |
| 17:01.34 | kadrahil | or daughter chip or whatever they call it |
| 17:02.39 | Gagorian | Fisker what's the price of that mobo? |
| 17:04.02 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (~elkano@pool012.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 17:04.02 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 17:04.02 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Elkano] by ChanServ |
| 17:05.44 | Fisker | a billion dollars Gagorian |
| 17:06.09 | Fisker | kadrahil still just the nec usb 3 chip |
| 17:06.23 | Fisker | intel got native sata 6Gbps though :P |
| 17:07.56 | kadrahil | oh |
| 17:09.53 | sbu | nevcairiel: asus p67 does have uefi? |
| 17:10.53 | *** join/#wowace Yoshimo (~Miranda@p549992F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:15.15 | Repo | 10deathnote: 03slaren * r19 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 17:15.16 | Repo | - Added "whisper" as a channel to announce to (whispers the message to the player killed) |
| 17:17.18 | Fisker | yes sbu |
| 17:17.50 | kadrahil | yesbu |
| 17:17.59 | sbu | mhh okay, i will get that one then |
| 17:18.07 | sbu | so 2600K next monday, right? :p |
| 17:18.15 | kadrahil | to me |
| 17:20.08 | *** join/#wowace DarkAudit (~Brian@c-98-236-98-13.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 17:20.26 | BWMerlin | i will be eyeing off the asus g73 and hp envy 14 sandy bridge refreshes |
| 17:22.02 | *** part/#wowace mckenziemc1 (~mckenziem@dialup-4.246.255.127.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 17:22.36 | *** join/#wowace EvilGrin (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:24.18 | kadrahil | oo i want the new maximus board |
| 17:24.54 | kadrahil | when do these hit the market |
| 17:30.35 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Have you looked into the differences between the p8p67 pro and deluxe? So far looks like pro is the choice for me as well |
| 17:32.41 | Gagorian | Seems like Deluxe has 16+2 phase VRM and a bit bigger heatsinks on em compared to 12+2 phase |
| 17:32.54 | sbu | 2nd lan |
| 17:33.31 | sbu | 2nd raid controller |
| 17:33.58 | nevcairiel | the evo has the 2nd lan as well |
| 17:34.10 | nevcairiel | the deluxe basically adds the nf200 pcie multiplexer |
| 17:34.14 | nevcairiel | which i dont need/want |
| 17:35.16 | sbu | i think the ASUS P8P67 LE is all i need |
| 17:35.16 | *** join/#wowace enfeeble (~enfeeble@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:35.33 | Arrowmaster | sandy bridge has less pcie lanes than previous chipsets, sure you dont want/need the nf200? |
| 17:35.40 | *** join/#wowace Srosh (~Srosh@d056236.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 17:35.45 | Fisker | today kadrahil |
| 17:35.50 | Fisker | why would you? |
| 17:35.58 | nevcairiel | not any less then the p55 |
| 17:36.08 | Arrowmaster | less than my x58 |
| 17:36.30 | nevcairiel | its not a replacement for the x58 |
| 17:36.30 | *** join/#wowace Nickenyfiken (~Miranda@c83-255-103-187.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:36.54 | Arrowmaster | it sure as hell isnt |
| 17:36.54 | nevcairiel | and with current-gen gfx cards, 8+8 is still fast enough for SLI, if i ever want it |
| 17:37.19 | nevcairiel | well its not meant to be a replacement, but the 2600k still beats the hell out of the 950 |
| 17:37.46 | sbu | nevcairiel: whats so great with the "pro" edition?= |
| 17:37.53 | nevcairiel | sbu: intel lan |
| 17:38.06 | sbu | oh |
| 17:38.07 | Arrowmaster | i like my triple channel ram in the x58 |
| 17:38.08 | sbu | i see, right |
| 17:38.16 | sbu | LE got realtek |
| 17:38.17 | Gagorian | "The pricing for the boards are as follows: Deluxe ($235), EVO ($210), Pro ($190), and P8P67 ($160). The Maximus IV Extreme will be retailed at $365" |
| 17:38.22 | Fisker | why Arrowmaster ? |
| 17:38.24 | Gagorian | seems kinda steep for all models |
| 17:38.39 | nevcairiel | there isnt that much advantage in the tripple ram |
| 17:38.52 | Fisker | more than more ram of course |
| 17:38.53 | nevcairiel | plus sandybridge has the controller on-core now |
| 17:38.55 | nevcairiel | which adds performance |
| 17:38.57 | Fisker | other than* |
| 17:39.10 | nevcairiel | you can get 16gb for cheap, 32gb for expensive |
| 17:39.14 | nevcairiel | sounds like enough for me |
| 17:40.22 | Stanzilla | 8gb was like 77⬠nev |
| 17:40.26 | Stanzilla | that's reaaaally cheap |
| 17:40.30 | nevcairiel | yeah i paid like 150 for 16 |
| 17:40.36 | BWMerlin | for a laptop i will be getting SB, for my next desktop i will be getting the socket 2011 (what ever that is called) |
| 17:40.38 | nevcairiel | or around 170 rather |
| 17:40.45 | nevcairiel | bigger modules are still a bit more expensive |
| 17:41.21 | kadrahil | more modules are still expensive a quite bigger |
| 17:41.30 | nevcairiel | not much |
| 17:41.37 | kadrahil | no u |
| 17:43.23 | Megalon | There has been an internal error initializing your transaction. Please contact support for assistance. |
| 17:43.23 | *** join/#wowace sbrissen (~sbrissen@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:43.28 | *** part/#wowace sbrissen (~sbrissen@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:43.29 | Megalon | Fisker, why is steam such a pile of shit |
| 17:44.10 | Xinhuan | they still have sales? |
| 17:44.18 | Xinhuan | its like Jan 4 where i live |
| 17:44.44 | *** join/#wowace rinman (~sbrissen@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:45.09 | Megalon | yes |
| 17:45.18 | Megalon | and those deals end in about 20 minutes |
| 17:45.32 | Fisker | steam is awesome Megalon |
| 17:45.33 | *** join/#wowace zfortna_ (~zfortna@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:45.42 | rinman | i like men |
| 17:45.44 | Fisker | isn't that right Parnic ? |
| 17:45.58 | Parnic | some parts of steam are awesome. other parts of steam are garbage |
| 17:46.05 | Fisker | no Parnic |
| 17:46.10 | Fisker | i will never be your friend now |
| 17:46.15 | Parnic | like trying to play a game or go into 'offline mode' after your internet connection has died or you're on a laptop, for example |
| 17:46.18 | rinman | i love enfeeble hes my man |
| 17:46.19 | Fisker | you are a jersk |
| 17:46.29 | Parnic | or when steam doesn't have any servers available to unlock/download the game you just bought |
| 17:46.33 | Parnic | those things are garbage |
| 17:46.36 | Fisker | not here |
| 17:47.09 | Megalon | also nice, wanted to go to support |
| 17:47.18 | rinman | i want to be inmen |
| 17:47.19 | Megalon | where they tell you that you have to make another account |
| 17:47.27 | Megalon | because you don't already got a steam account |
| 17:47.32 | Fisker | hey Megalon |
| 17:47.38 | Megalon | how thought this piece of shit |
| 17:47.42 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:47.44 | Fisker | it's like |
| 17:47.45 | Fisker | i lost my account |
| 17:47.51 | Fisker | so i logged in on their sup... oh |
| 17:47.52 | Fisker | ooh |
| 17:47.54 | Fisker | ooooooooooooooooh |
| 17:47.57 | Fisker | I DIDN'T |
| 17:48.04 | kadrahil | OH NO YOU DIDN'T |
| 17:48.06 | Fisker | get it Megalon ? |
| 17:48.09 | *** part/#wowace rinman (~sbrissen@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:48.26 | Megalon | nope |
| 17:48.33 | Megalon | why isn't every steamaccount |
| 17:48.34 | Fisker | then your stupid |
| 17:48.38 | Fisker | ohoh |
| 17:48.39 | Megalon | just also an account in support |
| 17:48.41 | kadrahil | his stupid what? |
| 17:48.47 | Fisker | your stupid kadrahil |
| 17:48.54 | kadrahil | you're* |
| 17:48.59 | *** join/#wowace enfeeble_ (~sbrissen@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:49.02 | Megalon | fisker is in retard mode again |
| 17:49.03 | Fisker | trolling is a art |
| 17:49.07 | kadrahil | retard node |
| 17:49.10 | enfeeble_ | mmmmmmm dude juice |
| 17:49.16 | kadrahil | art more like fart |
| 17:49.31 | Fisker | being right is always retard mode for those who are wrong Megalon |
| 17:49.43 | kadrahil | fisker is experienced in this |
| 17:50.06 | *** join/#wowace Lukian (~lukian@203.123.90.21) |
| 17:50.33 | *** part/#wowace zfortna_ (~zfortna@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:51.02 | *** join/#wowace enfeeble- (~zfortna@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:51.36 | enfeeble- | dudes dudes dudes all day long |
| 17:51.44 | enfeeble- | dudes dudes dudes while i sing thing song |
| 17:51.53 | kadrahil | thing thong |
| 17:52.08 | Parnic | hey fisker i'm 44 points away from 10,000 |
| 17:52.12 | Parnic | cool, right? |
| 17:52.27 | enfeeble- | that is cool, almost as cool as the dude i did last night |
| 17:52.42 | kadrahil | o |
| 17:52.56 | kadrahil | i think this guy is going to sit here and talk about dudes |
| 17:53.02 | kadrahil | for no apparent reason |
| 17:53.07 | enfeeble_ | im going to sit on dudes |
| 17:53.22 | kadrahil | duds |
| 17:53.22 | Fisker | 10000 what Parnic ? |
| 17:53.37 | Parnic | points. duh. |
| 17:53.45 | Fisker | in what then? :( |
| 17:53.49 | Parnic | curse! |
| 17:54.56 | *** join/#wowace Odlaw (~ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 17:55.32 | Fisker | i wish you get no points ever |
| 17:55.41 | Fisker | what value does 10000 curse points have? |
| 17:55.42 | *** join/#wowace BH (~JG@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:55.47 | enfeeble- | i wish enfeeble would do less dudes |
| 17:56.04 | kadrahil | milk duds |
| 17:56.05 | enfeeble_ | but i love dudes |
| 17:56.51 | Parnic | Fisker: $500 |
| 17:57.10 | kadrahil | pesos |
| 17:57.21 | enfeeble- | euros |
| 17:57.33 | kadrahil | you're a peso |
| 17:57.49 | *** part/#wowace enfeeble (~enfeeble@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:58.03 | enfeeble_ | later guys, going to do some dudes |
| 17:58.09 | *** part/#wowace enfeeble_ (~sbrissen@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:58.10 | kadrahil | glhf |
| 17:58.16 | *** part/#wowace enfeeble- (~zfortna@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 17:58.20 | kadrahil | fail troll is fail |
| 17:58.27 | Fisker | i disagree Parnic |
| 17:58.32 | kadrahil | flail troll |
| 17:58.40 | Repo | 10little-wigs-tbc: 03ulic * r31 Auchindoun (9 files in 2 directories): Fix for LW Ticket 39 |
| 18:00.46 | quiescens | moo |
| 18:01.57 | *** part/#wowace BH (~JG@cx0.cablexpress.com) |
| 18:02.53 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@213.162.68.1) |
| 18:14.05 | Repo | 10mybags3: 03Takika * r37 / (2 files in 2 directories): StackSplitFrame strata change, fixes ticket #6 |
| 18:17.15 | *** join/#wowace WonTu (~WonTu@p57B53338.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:17.29 | *** part/#wowace WonTu (~WonTu@p57B53338.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:18.55 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@213.162.68.70) |
| 18:27.31 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r437 / (2 files in 1 directory): RaidBuffStatus: |
| 18:27.32 | Repo | - Added auto-accept invite from guild members, friends and battle.net friends options. By default battle.net friends is enabled. |
| 18:29.11 | Fisker | Parnic |
| 18:29.13 | Fisker | why do you hate me? |
| 18:29.14 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@213.162.68.81) |
| 18:29.27 | Parnic | Fisker |
| 18:29.34 | Parnic | what do you say about sandy bridge having DRM built in? |
| 18:29.46 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy (stolenlega@chello213047049072.5.graz.surfer.at) |
| 18:31.53 | Fisker | it doesn't |
| 18:31.53 | *** join/#wowace tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 18:31.53 | *** mode/#wowace [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:34.22 | quiescens | o.o |
| 18:35.41 | Parnic | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1934536/intels-sandy-bridge-sucks-hollywood-drm |
| 18:35.54 | Parnic | reuters says it does :P |
| 18:38.54 | Fisker | how is that any different from something like hdcp |
| 18:39.20 | Parnic | ionno |
| 18:39.54 | Parnic | they can also remotely disable a pc through 3G? /scary |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker | old |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker | and no |
| 18:40.46 | Parnic | well fine then |
| 18:44.20 | Fisker | The technology have been there for ages |
| 18:44.37 | Fisker | just a continuation of computrace tech |
| 18:48.36 | *** join/#wowace Kemayo (~kemayo@adsl-99-108-27-22.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:48.36 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Kemayo] by ChanServ |
| 18:52.14 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (~thief@port-92-200-112-159.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 18:52.15 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (~thief@unaffiliated/thiefmaster) |
| 18:52.48 | Fisker | do you love me Parnic ? |
| 18:53.34 | Parnic | i love lamp. |
| 18:58.53 | Fisker | oh Parnic |
| 19:05.58 | Repo | 10atlas_arena: 03arith * r19 / (13 files in 4 directories): * 1.2 (2011/01/04) |
| 19:05.59 | Repo | - Maps updated: Gurubashi Arena, RumbleCage Arena |
| 19:06.00 | Repo | - Maps added: Crucible of Carnage, Valhalas, The Ring of Blood |
| 19:06.47 | Repo | 10atlas_arena: 03arith 041.2 * r20 : Tagging as 1.2 |
| 19:07.06 | *** join/#wowace Tuller (~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 19:08.39 | Fisker | i want you Tuller |
| 19:09.07 | Tuller | can't say i've not heard that before |
| 19:11.43 | *** join/#wowace CrazyBenny (s_m@a02-0602c.kn.vutbr.cz) |
| 19:15.56 | Fisker | oh no Tuller :( |
| 19:36.10 | *** join/#wowace daev (~bleh@pool-71-188-132-215.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:37.12 | SinusPi | Hmmm. Anyone with a Chinese WoW installation that could verify what standard fonts WoW uses now..? It seems that ZYKai_T.ttf is no longer in use... |
| 19:40.46 | Fisker | i once ZYKai_T.ttf'd a wow |
| 19:40.59 | *** join/#wowace daev (~bleh@pool-71-188-132-215.aubnin.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:41.42 | SinusPi | and you put a ZYKai_T.ttf in your wow so that you can wow while ZYKai_T.ttfing? |
| 19:45.10 | *** join/#wowace Leialyn (~cmk.richt@p54B45AA1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:46.34 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r328 / (5 files in 1 directory): |
| 19:46.35 | Repo | FIX: Update LDB text also when the Boss Notes frame is closed. |
| 19:46.36 | Repo | CHANGE: Updated encounter database for Cataclysm content |
| 19:46.37 | Repo | Release 1.2.3 |
| 19:46.56 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink 041.2.3 * r329 : Tagging as 1.2.3 |
| 20:04.31 | *** join/#wowace TGD (~james@ext02.gsp.se) |
| 20:13.55 | *** join/#wowace Hell-Razor (~Hell@unaffiliated/hell-razor) |
| 20:14.38 | *** join/#wowace Ingela- (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 20:22.35 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy_ (stolenlega@chello213047049072.5.graz.surfer.at) |
| 20:23.14 | *** join/#wowace Norton (~chatzilla@bas1-streetsville39-1279744228.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:24.19 | *** join/#wowace stolenlegacy__ (~stolenleg@chello213047049072.5.graz.surfer.at) |
| 20:31.29 | *** join/#wowace tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 20:31.29 | *** mode/#wowace [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 20:35.16 | *** join/#wowace Jagobah (~ljugo@74-141-119-252.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 20:41.34 | *** join/#wowace Aeyan| (~pancake@cpe-024-163-016-179.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 20:44.08 | *** join/#wowace mort (~mort@nrbg-4dbe07f4.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 20:50.22 | *** join/#wowace profalbert (~profalber@80-121-55-249.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 20:54.54 | *** join/#wowace mascondante (~kvirc@pool-72-71-119-92.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:55.11 | Zhinjio | is there a lua "notanumber" function? |
| 20:55.13 | Zhinjio | or similar? |
| 20:55.14 | *** join/#wowace rbarreiros (~rbarreiro@87-196-202-200.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:56.45 | Parnic | lua> print(isnumber(4)) print(isnumber("4")) |
| 20:56.47 | lua_bot | Parnic: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'isnumber' (a nil value) |
| 20:57.08 | Parnic | lua> print(type(4) == "number") print(type("4") == "number") |
| 20:57.09 | lua_bot | Parnic: true, false |
| 20:57.19 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r155 TankPoints.lua: - dodge through agility now applies diminishing returns |
| 20:57.20 | Repo | - agility no longer grants armor, since agility seems to no longer grant armor |
| 20:57.35 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 20:58.17 | Zhinjio | lua> print( tonumber("4") ) |
| 20:58.18 | lua_bot | Zhinjio: 4 |
| 20:58.37 | Zhinjio | lua> print( tonumber("a") ) |
| 20:58.39 | lua_bot | Zhinjio: nil |
| 20:58.48 | Zhinjio | perfect |
| 20:59.51 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 21:01.54 | *** join/#wowace Tuller (~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:07.29 | Repo | 10morg-dkp2: 03Morgalm * r194 / (9 files in 4 directories): MorgDKP2 |
| 21:07.32 | Repo | -WEBSCRIPT UPDATE: fix for events not being added to multiple pools (and DKP etc) |
| 21:07.32 | Repo | -fix for nil error with new attend field |
| 21:07.34 | Repo | -added limited time for members to add to the Waitlist |
| 21:08.32 | Repo | 10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm 04v4.7 * r95 : Tagging as v4.7 |
| 21:20.30 | *** join/#wowace EvilGrin (~Geoff@87-194-195-47.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:21.18 | *** join/#wowace RaydenUni (~rayden@adsl-69-231-154-78.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 21:24.47 | *** join/#wowace Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (~funk@5ad4d5e4.bb.sky.com) |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 21:29.05 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Funkeh`] by ChanServ |
| 21:37.39 | *** join/#wowace Seerah (~Ryan@adsl-226-101-78.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:18.57 | *** join/#wowace Lyset (Lyset@c-03a272d5.017-172-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 22:19.21 | *** join/#wowace Aeyan| (~pancake@cpe-024-163-016-179.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 22:20.23 | *** join/#wowace Zyndurr (~faggotry@h187n4-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 22:20.38 | *** join/#wowace RLD_osx_ (~rldempse@71-8-123-7.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 22:22.26 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Celellach * r3182 / (2 files in 2 directories): Blacksmithing Cataclysm Armor page updated |
| 22:22.50 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (~thief@port-92-200-112-159.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 22:22.50 | *** join/#wowace ThiefMaster (~thief@unaffiliated/thiefmaster) |
| 22:24.53 | *** join/#wowace Groktard (~gr@74.sub-174-253-225.myvzw.com) |
| 22:28.02 | *** join/#wowace groktar2 (~gr@209-234-197-181.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 22:33.40 | *** join/#wowace Torhal (~callahan@c-68-62-171-74.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 22:33.40 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Torhal] by ChanServ |
| 22:33.45 | *** join/#wowace nebula1692 (~nebula@c-75-73-235-102.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:33.49 | Repo | 10visualheal: 03xbeeps * r71 / (5 files in 2 directories): |
| 22:33.52 | Repo | Complete rewrite. Uses Blizzard events (so no separation between hots and direct heals, and no timing or source information). Allows display of multiple outgoing heal bars that are dynamically created as needed. Incoming heal bar not implemented yet. Options need much more work. |
| 22:35.12 | *** join/#wowace Arrowmaster` (arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 22:35.21 | *** join/#wowace Zhinjio1 (~Geo@home.trippy.org) |
| 22:37.28 | *** join/#wowace p3lim (~p3lim@200.41.202.84.customer.cdi.no) |
| 22:37.40 | *** join/#wowace pakoz (~pakoz@66-215-62-34.dhcp.mrba.ca.charter.com) |
| 22:39.40 | *** join/#wowace the-golem (~Darrin@c-24-23-41-179.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:42.00 | *** join/#wowace cyndis (cyndis@lakka.kapsi.fi) |
| 22:42.00 | *** join/#wowace Thrae (~ircuser@generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 22:45.58 | *** join/#wowace Computerpunk (~Computerp@85.186.122.45) |
| 22:52.35 | *** join/#wowace martini (~sigg@AMontsouris-159-1-16-253.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:52.43 | *** join/#wowace oscarucb (~oscarucb@d60-65-254-150.col.wideopenwest.com) |
| 22:53.00 | oscarucb | anyone know if the wowace packager is broken right now? |
| 22:54.07 | Parnic | http://www.wowace.com/packager/ it is not |
| 22:54.18 | oscarucb | yes I saw that, but I keep tagging betas and it keeps not packaging them |
| 22:54.27 | oscarucb | it's like ignoring tags |
| 22:54.46 | oscarucb | I've tagged about 6 so far that it has ignored |
| 22:54.56 | oscarucb | yet it still packages alphas for commits |
| 22:55.21 | oscarucb | has anyone successfully tagged a beta or release lately? |
| 22:55.26 | Parnic | then idk. wait for an op to come along :) |
| 22:56.08 | *** part/#wowace CrazyBenny (s_m@a02-0602c.kn.vutbr.cz) |
| 23:00.07 | *** join/#wowace Higdur (~nike@105-110-117-82.cust.blixtvik.se) |
| 23:00.34 | Repo | 10professionsvault: 03oscarucb 044.0 beta 1 * r181 : Tagging as 4.0 beta 1 |
| 23:00.41 | oscarucb | bah i figured it out |
| 23:00.49 | oscarucb | stupid web interface |
| 23:02.26 | *** join/#wowace mckenziemc (~mckenziem@dialup-4.246.252.206.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) |
| 23:05.46 | Repo | 10minimapmagnify: 03xbeeps * r4 MinimapMagnify.xml: |
| 23:05.47 | Repo | Change frameStrata to HIGH to get above IceHUD (which is MEDIUM) |
| 23:06.21 | Repo | 10minimapmagnify: 03xbeeps 041.1 * r5 : Tagging as 1.1 |
| 23:20.52 | *** part/#wowace martini (~sigg@AMontsouris-159-1-16-253.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:26.44 | Pneumatus | is there some hunter ability that allows them to freezing trap more than 1 mob? |
| 23:28.00 | Arrowmaster | there used to be, it was called skill |
| 23:28.16 | Arrowmaster | good hunters were able to freezing trap upto 3 mobs at once |
| 23:28.33 | Arrowmaster | i thought they nerfed that though |
| 23:32.17 | Pneumatus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUOBYZ2dNuQ |
| 23:32.26 | Pneumatus | phase 1, all the adds seem to get iceblocked at once |
| 23:32.31 | Pneumatus | and there's no DK or mage to be doing it |
| 23:32.48 | Pneumatus | which leads me to assume it must be the hunter |
| 23:33.28 | Pneumatus | ~55sec you can see a pile of mobs all icecubed |
| 23:34.48 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (~jonathan@asylumsw.com) |
| 23:36.51 | *** join/#wowace DarkerAudit (~Brian@c-98-236-98-13.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 23:37.11 | ulic | I had a hunter tell me they could do the inital for 1m, then add another after like 24s or something like that. |
| 23:37.12 | *** join/#wowace PProvost (~PProvost@184-96-99-200.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 23:49.53 | *** join/#wowace bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 23:50.30 | Repo | 10badboy_guilded: 03funkydude * r20 BadBoy_Guilded.lua: add/tweak triggers |
| 23:53.58 | Caleb| | you can do 2 easy Pneumatus |
| 23:54.26 | Caleb| | its just on the ground only 1 untriggered freezing trap can be down |
| 23:54.45 | Pneumatus | riight, so once one gets triggered you can trap up another? |
| 23:54.54 | Caleb| | yep |
| 23:55.18 | Pneumatus | i see |
| 23:55.26 | *** part/#wowace oscarucb (~oscarucb@d60-65-254-150.col.wideopenwest.com) |
| 23:58.56 | groktar | oh god, gross |
| 23:59.42 | groktar | if($_POST[ |
| 23:59.56 | groktar | if($_POST['submit'] == 'Save Information') |
