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| 03:00.23 | Repo | 10grid2: 03michaelspain 06michaeln * r586 / (10 files in 3 directories): cleaning some code |
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| 03:47.17 | Repo | 10grid2: 03michaelspain 06michaeln * r587 / (28 files in 7 directories): |
| 03:47.18 | Repo | Added a header note to modified files to comply with zlib/libpng License |
| 04:11.37 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 04:12.15 | Gnarfoz | AceAddon:GetModule("something") would only fail if that module was never "created" via :NewModule(), correct? |
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| 04:41.19 | Gnarfoz | is it evil to register events in OnInitialize? |
| 04:41.41 | bluspacecow | totally read that wrong |
| 04:42.05 | haste | Gnarfoz: I don't see why it should be |
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| 04:42.32 | bluspacecow | for some reason i replaced the word OnInit with Grynffindor |
| 04:42.38 | Gnarfoz | the example addon in the docs says, for OnEnable "do further init here, register events, [etc]" |
| 04:42.45 | Gnarfoz | bluspacecow: what. |
| 04:42.55 | bluspacecow | exactly. |
| 04:43.03 | Gnarfoz | D: |
| 04:43.32 | haste | Gnarfoz: it most likely says it because you should be able to call OnEnable several times (ie. after OnDisable has been used) |
| 04:43.50 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 04:46.02 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'm doing this the needlessly complicated way... setting OptDep to make sure the addon I need to detect to enable a workaround is much easier :> |
| 04:55.19 | Sapu | Is there any way to check if the cursor is highlighted (like after you cast milling but before you click on something to mill)? |
| 05:00.25 | bluspacecow | not afaik |
| 05:02.14 | Wobin | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CursorHasSpell |
| 05:02.27 | Wobin | Sapu: ^ |
| 05:03.07 | Sapu | no that's for if you have a spell icon on the cursor |
| 05:04.04 | Sapu | GetCursorInfo returns nothing when the cursor is highlighted |
| 05:04.07 | Sapu | as well |
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| 05:06.55 | Gnarfoz | cursorhasspell comes to mind here, too, for that particular question oO |
| 05:07.40 | Sapu | yea it's deceiving :) |
| 05:08.30 | Sapu | ahha! found it |
| 05:08.35 | Sapu | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SpellIsTargeting |
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| 05:13.13 | Ingela | oh you can't add files to a project waiting approval? |
| 05:13.45 | Wobin | Torhal: ^ |
| 05:13.52 | Ingela | =( |
| 05:14.00 | Ingela | got all kinds of errors |
| 05:14.07 | Torhal | o.O |
| 05:14.19 | Ingela | or did i do it wrong |
| 05:14.23 | Ingela | you're making me insecure |
| 05:14.29 | Ingela | stop lauhging at me Wobin i |
| 05:14.30 | Ingela | :( |
| 05:14.31 | Torhal | What exactly did you do? |
| 05:14.46 | Ingela | tried to upload files |
| 05:14.58 | Torhal | How archaic... |
| 05:15.02 | Torhal | URL? |
| 05:15.22 | Ingela | or no wait i tried to checkout with svn |
| 05:15.26 | Wobin | Ingela: that was more to get torhal's attention, as he's one that can control project statuses =) |
| 05:15.34 | Ingela | man i'm so bad at this repository stuff |
| 05:15.40 | Ingela | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ingelasabsorbtracker/ |
| 05:15.55 | Ingela | heh ok Wobin |
| 05:15.59 | Torhal | Oh |
| 05:16.00 | Ingela | :D |
| 05:16.10 | Torhal | You're getting errors because you can't upload files on WoWAce. |
| 05:16.29 | Ingela | .. yet? |
| 05:16.35 | Torhal | Your project has no repositi=ory type set, so if you're trying to use a VCS, that'd be why you get errors. |
| 05:16.50 | Torhal | No, you MUST use a VCS on WoWAce - files are not allowed. |
| 05:17.18 | Ingela | yeah i'm using svn |
| 05:17.37 | Torhal | Then click the repository tab, select Repository management, and set the type. |
| 05:17.52 | Ingela | oh there it was |
| 05:17.54 | Torhal | Your repo doesn't exist, so you can't push :) |
| 05:17.59 | Ingela | yeah exactly |
| 05:18.07 | Ingela | but i thought it was becuase it was not approved yet |
| 05:18.12 | Torhal | Nope. |
| 05:18.38 | Torhal | The repo type isn't automatically set because if you wanted to use Git or Mercurial, you'd have a pre-created SVN repo sitting there. |
| 05:19.02 | Torhal | Or jumble the type up any way you wich - we simply don't know what you want to use :) |
| 05:19.05 | Ingela | aha i see =) |
| 05:19.09 | Torhal | s/wich/wish/ |
| 05:20.15 | Ingela | one day i'm gonna learn how all this works, it's such a jungle atm :) |
| 05:21.00 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/guildstandardreminder/. GuildStandardReminder. mikk (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
| 05:21.08 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ingelasabsorbtracker/. Ingela's Absorb Tracker. ingela (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Torhal. |
| 05:21.14 | Ingela | thank you |
| 05:21.19 | Torhal | np |
| 05:22.18 | Repo | 10ingelasabsorbtracker (experimental): 03ingela * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): First add! |
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| 05:26.30 | Repo | 10ingelasabsorbtracker (experimental): 03ingela * r3 .pkgmeta: forgot the .pkgmeta |
| 05:33.12 | Repo | 10ingelasabsorbtracker (experimental): 03ingela * r4 core.lua: cleaned up a little bit, fixed a spelling error. |
| 05:33.36 | Ingela | that's it for tonight, gotta hit the bed :) |
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| 08:01.10 | Repo | Fixed Lua errors "Missing entry for Screen Flash Duration" and "Missing entry for Show Example Flash" |
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| 10:07.54 | Repo | 10tourguide-tradeskill: 03Satisfyme * r47 / (6 files in 2 directories): Uploading work so far |
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| 11:42.29 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 12:15.31 | Stanzilla | http://www.hardmac.com/news/2011/04/08/magic-hard-drive < omg |
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| 13:26.53 | mckenziemc | what |
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| 14:38.11 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: brilliant! |
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| 14:38.33 | Stanzilla | indeed :p |
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| 15:50.37 | Repo | fc722f0: throtle updates when in wrong area |
| 15:50.38 | Repo | 5f56cf8: use game icons |
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| 15:50.47 | Repo | 10guildstandardreminder: 03mikk 04r5-release * r6 : Tagging as r5-release |
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| 16:25.21 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 17:14.46 | Torhal|work | sylvanaar: The only thing I can see now is that the hidden-self-as-only-parameter functions still have the last parenthesis colored as a parameter. |
| 17:14.53 | Torhal|work | sylvanaar_work: ^ |
| 17:16.29 | sylvanaar_work | ah yeah |
| 17:16.45 | sylvanaar_work | ill make a ticket |
| 17:19.21 | sylvanaar_work | I think im going to start the 1.0 alphas this week, it seems ready |
| 17:19.48 | Torhal|work | Sweet :) |
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| 17:23.15 | wink | anyone from switzerland in here? or got any idea where you'd want to get a vserver there? |
| 17:24.49 | sbu | wink: http://www.hostingliste.ch/vserver-vergleich ? |
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| 17:25.23 | wink | sbu: I prefer personal recommendations, even on irc :) |
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| 17:26.00 | sbu | okay, i have no idea then, do they even have vservers there? :p |
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| 17:42.51 | stew-a | am i the only one getting a cert error trying to log into wowace.com? or is it normal that the wowace ssl cert is only valid for curseforge? |
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| 17:44.47 | Gabilin | hi all |
| 17:45.28 | Gabilin | could anyone help me with acecomm. i failde to register it using local temp = LibStub("AceComm-3.0") |
| 17:45.28 | Gabilin | temp:RegisterComm("BgGlad") |
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| 17:47.11 | Gnarfoz | sbu: no, just schoki and käsefondue |
| 17:49.38 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how long it's going to take before my now hand-updated UUID based system fails to boot |
| 17:50.07 | nevcairiel | another hour, at least |
| 17:51.13 | Gnarfoz | haha, so... the warning was actually to be taken literally: The boot loader configuration for this system was not recognized |
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| 17:51.35 | Gnarfoz | aptitude suggest all three boot loaders, grub, extlinux and lilo |
| 17:51.50 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder how the fuck the system currently boots if none of those are supposedly installed |
| 17:53.06 | Gnarfoz | I better figure that out before OKing: iu linux-image-2.6-amd64 -32.8 k 2.6.32+29 2.6.38+33 |
| 17:53.29 | nevcairiel | they are typically installed into the MBR, you can remove them from the file system afterwards |
| 17:53.38 | nevcairiel | its just not a good idea |
| 17:54.06 | Gnarfoz | it reads its config from disk, so no, that wouldn't work |
| 17:54.16 | Gnarfoz | it's too big to fit in the MBR |
| 17:54.40 | groktar | fresno is so fail |
| 17:54.48 | Gnarfoz | guess grub2 was never properly installed, probably because I was afraid to touch the bootloader config on a system that I can't get to phyiscally |
| 17:54.51 | groktar | can't find any programmers |
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| 17:55.02 | groktar | and we're willing to take people without experience :( |
| 17:55.12 | sylvanaar_work | :( |
| 17:55.24 | sylvanaar_work | what kind of programming |
| 17:56.25 | groktar | web programming stuffs |
| 17:56.29 | sylvanaar_work | ah |
| 17:56.36 | sylvanaar_work | PHP? |
| 17:56.48 | groktar | we have a little |
| 17:57.50 | groktar | we also do android/iphone stuff |
| 17:57.56 | sylvanaar_work | pay me 100k with no experience and relocate me, and I'm in |
| 17:58.02 | groktar | lol |
| 17:58.05 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 17:58.17 | Ackis | pays sylvanaar_work 100k micro-peso's |
| 17:59.29 | groktar | i think we could do 100k pesos |
| 17:59.43 | sylvanaar_work | heh |
| 18:16.11 | Primer | Gnarfoz: yeah, messing with the boot loader remotely is always risky |
| 18:16.34 | Gnarfoz | apparently, my MBR contains Grub 0.97 |
| 18:16.44 | Gnarfoz | no wonder things are kind of weird now |
| 18:16.47 | Primer | Does that still work? |
| 18:16.56 | Primer | Grub just points the MBR to its shell |
| 18:17.02 | Primer | once that's done, you never touch the MBR again |
| 18:17.12 | Primer | unless the fs with the grub shell is wiped |
| 18:17.23 | Gnarfoz | sure does, and grub 1 (or 0? ^^) does triple-stage madness |
| 18:17.38 | Primer | grub 0.97 == grub 1 |
| 18:17.49 | Gnarfoz | MBR -> some random block on disk where stage 1.5 is which then loads stuff from actual partitions (/boot/grub) |
| 18:17.49 | kadrahil | eat those grubs |
| 18:18.13 | Primer | do you get a grub prompt? |
| 18:18.28 | Gnarfoz | http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ is awesome: => Grub 0.97 is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda and looks at sector 9040971 of the same hard drive for the stage2 file. A stage2 file is at this location on /dev/sdb. Stage2 looks on partition #2 for /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
| 18:18.28 | Primer | if so, grub should still be intact, and able to boot something |
| 18:18.32 | Gnarfoz | why would I, the system is running :p |
| 18:18.53 | Primer | you haven't rebooted? |
| 18:18.57 | Primer | but you want to? |
| 18:19.05 | Gnarfoz | scrollback! :D |
| 18:19.12 | Primer | heh, this is why I run grub from a usb drive |
| 18:19.19 | Primer | everything's self contained |
| 18:19.37 | Primer | and I use partition UUIDs to boot win 7 and Linux |
| 18:20.06 | Gnarfoz | I'm just updating a debian testing install, and they're now at the "let's put in the new kernel" stage... 2.6.32 -> 2.6.38... and aptitude suggest I install one of the bootloaders it has - it thinks I don't have one at all |
| 18:20.13 | Primer | <Gnarfoz> I wonder how long it's going to take before my now hand-updated UUID based system fails to boot <-- is as far back as my scrollback goes |
| 18:20.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah, the relevant line comes 2 or 3 after that ;) |
| 18:21.00 | Primer | go with grub |
| 18:21.02 | Primer | heh |
| 18:21.17 | Gnarfoz | curious that grub1 is supposedly not installed |
| 18:21.25 | Gnarfoz | that probably means it will migrate nothing |
| 18:22.50 | Primer | perhaps it just doesn't detect the package? |
| 18:23.05 | Gnarfoz | I will soon enough know |
| 18:23.33 | Gnarfoz | everything's good, it detected the old install |
| 18:23.57 | Primer | I actually need to upgrade the box I'm on now |
| 18:24.03 | Primer | Still on Fedora 13 |
| 18:24.27 | kadrahil | eww redhat |
| 18:25.17 | Primer | Redhat's always been on the cutting edge of Linux |
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| 18:25.25 | Primer | first with glibc, first with gcc 3 |
| 18:25.43 | Gnarfoz | one of our RHEL 5.5 servers decided to, without prior notice, update itself to 5.6 |
| 18:25.52 | Gnarfoz | we're still hesitating to risk rebooting it :p |
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| 18:26.08 | durcyn | 'decided to' |
| 18:26.15 | durcyn | you have a DHA problem, then |
| 18:26.26 | Gnarfoz | diffie-hellman-advanced? |
| 18:26.27 | kadrahil | Primer: to each his own, i've always been a debian fan |
| 18:26.28 | durcyn | Dick Head Admin |
| 18:26.36 | Gnarfoz | I'm the admin |
| 18:26.37 | durcyn | "gee, i'll just yum update -y and walk away" |
| 18:26.46 | Gnarfoz | you don't yum update on RHEL |
| 18:26.58 | durcyn | up2date, whatever. and you can, if you're inclined. |
| 18:27.01 | Gnarfoz | it's redhat network's up2date |
| 18:27.07 | Primer | kadrahil: I never liked Debian. People tried to get me to run it and one time I decided to install it. The installer then asked me "Pick the kernel modules you'd like to load" |
| 18:27.18 | Gnarfoz | there's 3 other systems configured just like it, they didn't update at all |
| 18:27.20 | kadrahil | Primer: oh, that's school |
| 18:27.20 | Gnarfoz | makes no sense :D |
| 18:27.23 | kadrahil | err, oldschool |
| 18:27.23 | Primer | To which I thought "WTF is this shit? Redhat never asked me this!" |
| 18:27.30 | Primer | kadrahil: yeah, that's going way back |
| 18:27.59 | Primer | started with Slackware 3 back in 1995 |
| 18:28.04 | kadrahil | \o/ |
| 18:28.11 | kadrahil | i started with slackware something back in 98 i think |
| 18:28.14 | kadrahil | 2.0.30 kernel |
| 18:28.20 | Primer | 1.2.13 here :) |
| 18:28.25 | kadrahil | :o |
| 18:28.34 | kadrahil | slightly more oldschool than me! |
| 18:28.44 | Primer | I remember moving to the 1.3 dev tree |
| 18:28.55 | kadrahil | i think i tried the 2.1 dev once |
| 18:29.01 | Primer | I remember moving to glibc from libc 5 |
| 18:29.13 | kadrahil | my biggest headache was pcmcia |
| 18:29.14 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: will the "filter addon mistakes" thingy come back to bugsack? |
| 18:29.15 | kadrahil | back then |
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| 18:29.31 | kadrahil | because the only computers i had to play with linux on were laptops |
| 18:29.32 | Primer | I didn't have a laptop back then |
| 18:29.52 | Primer | I decided to use Linux as my desktop in 1996 |
| 18:30.12 | Gnarfoz | grub.cfg is so worse to read than menu.lst >_> |
| 18:30.48 | Primer | Gnarfoz: grub2 then? |
| 18:30.54 | Primer | the format totally changed |
| 18:30.56 | nevcairiel | I didnt think the grub1 config was that bad |
| 18:30.58 | Gnarfoz | hm? yes, grub.cfg is grub2 |
| 18:31.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: exactly! ^^ |
| 18:31.14 | Primer | some distros symlinked grub.cfg to menu.lst in grub1 |
| 18:31.23 | kadrahil | ^ |
| 18:31.59 | Primer | grub2 has some nice features though |
| 18:32.04 | Primer | lua support being one |
| 18:33.14 | Primer | I have a grub2 menu entry that will scan every partition for grub.cfg or menu.lst files and offer to make a menu out of them |
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| 18:34.44 | Gnarfoz | showtime |
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| 18:35.12 | Gnarfoz | oh, that reminds me. I need to directly connect to IRC for the time being, hehe. my irssi proxy runs on this server ;) |
| 18:35.43 | Gnarfoz | :S some 25man raid on my TS server |
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| 18:43.23 | Fisker | bam Gnarfoz |
| 18:43.43 | Gnarfoz | very much so |
| 18:43.49 | Gnarfoz | my case is here, but nothing else is |
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| 18:46.23 | Zyn | this is an outrage |
| 18:46.34 | Zyn | the cooler I want for the i5 is out of stock all of a sudden |
| 18:47.46 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 18:48.07 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:48.16 | Gnarfoz | I ordered a case, mb, ram, cpu... everything except the case was supposed to be in stock. the case was here the next day, the rest hasn't even been sent out, yet. D: |
| 18:48.27 | Fisker | D: |
| 18:48.36 | Gnarfoz | also, h60 still not available. /shakefist |
| 18:48.43 | Zyn | "lets mess with him, hyuk hyuk hyuk" |
| 18:48.47 | Fisker | what case Gnarfoz ? |
| 18:48.54 | Gnarfoz | fractal r3 |
| 18:49.18 | Gnarfoz | http://gh.de/a566182.html |
| 18:49.23 | Fisker | lulz |
| 18:49.29 | Fisker | lulululz |
| 18:49.39 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 18:49.59 | Gnarfoz | I'm downgrading from the most sexy original Coolermaster Stacker STC-001 thingy |
| 18:50.02 | Gnarfoz | which is ginormous |
| 18:50.41 | Gnarfoz | I could probably sell it and get half of the price for the metal it's made of |
| 18:50.41 | Gnarfoz | it's as heavy as your mom, at least |
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| 18:50.54 | Gnarfoz | also, Fractal Design is swedish, you should be proud |
| 18:51.00 | Gnarfoz | (hur hur) |
| 18:51.27 | Zyn | I currently have http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/cases/Antec%20P182/p182-01.jpg ... well, if you throw it down some stairs and then chuck it over a roof |
| 18:51.55 | Zyn | Fisker , I am getting the Fractal R3 too, the Arctic White , how do you feel? |
| 18:52.28 | Gnarfoz | proud, hopefully |
| 18:53.32 | Fisker | lol'd Zyn |
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| 18:55.24 | Fisker | i lulz'd irl Zyn |
| 18:56.15 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what that looked like |
| 18:56.33 | Zyn | gurgles on some pölsa |
| 18:58.07 | Fisker | corsair needs to make a new case |
| 18:58.23 | Zyn | I know! I'll get a TT Mozart TX |
| 18:59.18 | Zyn | http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/MozartTX/images/final.jpg , such a small and neat case |
| 19:00.11 | Gnarfoz | very subtle |
| 19:00.29 | Zyn | 720mm high |
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| 19:06.50 | Gnarfoz | mine's "just" 53.6cm |
| 19:07.22 | Gnarfoz | that is, if it's longer than it's high. I'm not so sure, because the other direction is 58.4cm :D |
| 19:07.33 | Gnarfoz | also, it's 17kg empty |
| 19:07.34 | Gnarfoz | augh |
| 19:15.10 | Stanzilla | gnarfoz sucks |
| 19:15.56 | Gnarfoz | my nose says otherwise |
| 19:22.28 | Gnarfoz | sbu |
| 19:23.29 | sbu | what? |
| 19:24.24 | Fisker | mine is like 120cm Gnarfoz |
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| 19:25.31 | Mikk | omg |
| 19:25.32 | Mikk | http://www.rim.com/jobs/ |
| 19:25.34 | Mikk | too funny url =) |
| 19:25.58 | durcyn | they registered rim.jobs too |
| 19:29.25 | Gnarfoz | sbu: find me a landlord in Rastatt |
| 19:33.06 | sbu | Gnarfoz: huh, why? |
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| 19:33.31 | Megalon | do you want to fritzl sbu Gnarfoz? |
| 19:36.03 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: I'm not moving to Australia |
| 19:36.23 | Megalon | you are not into basements? |
| 19:38.53 | Gnarfoz | sbu: http://www.rastatt.de/index.php?id=698 |
| 19:41.39 | sbu | Gnarfoz: mh no need, i like KBW |
| 19:44.19 | Gnarfoz | they're going to be (or have been?) bought out by some investor, expect both customer service and internet service to turn kabel deutschland-like sooner rather than later |
| 19:48.30 | Stanzilla | fritzls Megalon |
| 19:50.20 | Torhal|work | Ingela: ping |
| 19:50.24 | Ingela | heyop |
| 19:50.33 | Ingela | do i need to wait more to make it active+ |
| 19:50.50 | Torhal|work | Ingela: You have tabs in your .pkgmeta, and for the love of all that's holy - LibBetterBlizzOptions shouldn't even exist. |
| 19:51.06 | Torhal|work | If it has nothing to do with your AddOn (any library) including it is...icky |
| 19:51.10 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 19:51.13 | Ingela | oh |
| 19:51.15 | Ingela | that shouldn't be there |
| 19:51.21 | Torhal|work | Just an observation. But the tab thing is definitely bad |
| 19:51.28 | Ingela | tab as in white spaces? |
| 19:51.38 | Torhal|work | Yah - use spaces, not tabs, in your .pkgmeta |
| 19:51.45 | Ingela | allright will fix iimmdietly |
| 19:51.58 | Ingela | thanks |
| 19:52.02 | Torhal|work | And why no nolibs? |
| 19:52.07 | Torhal|work | np |
| 19:52.27 | Ingela | uhm i just had that for my other addon so thought i'd have it here |
| 19:52.28 | Ingela | too |
| 19:52.43 | Torhal|work | Ah, that means no package will be created which doesn't have libs embedded. |
| 19:53.04 | Torhal|work | Some folks prefer to supply their libs as standalone AddOns. |
| 19:53.26 | Torhal|work | Your choice - just saying why nolibs exists :) |
| 19:56.25 | Ingela | aha thanks |
| 19:56.39 | Ingela | i'll remove that |
| 19:59.05 | sbu | Gnarfoz: dont think so, they are already owned by some big investor |
| 19:59.18 | Gnarfoz | then it already happened (it happened recently) |
| 19:59.39 | sbu | yes, i know |
| 19:59.50 | sbu | but it was only a change from one big investor to another |
| 19:59.50 | Gnarfoz | http://heise.de/-1206558 |
| 20:00.02 | sbu | so dont expect any big changes |
| 20:01.14 | Gnarfoz | I'm not expecting anything, but, they have ridiculous minimum contract durations, and I want the way better down/up (2:1) ratio FTTH would provide (I'd be fine with VDSL, too, which is 5:1) |
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| 20:12.49 | Gnarfoz | sbu: anyway, I'm stuck in BAD which is broadband wasteland |
| 20:13.07 | Stanzilla | nah, broadband wasteland is here |
| 20:13.12 | Stanzilla | i have dsl 2k :( |
| 20:13.44 | Gnarfoz | I have 3.5 or so |
| 20:14.25 | Stanzilla | nice, i have wlan |
| 20:14.36 | sbu | Gnarfoz: i guildie (from ettlingen i think) is on 768 (light) |
| 20:14.39 | Stanzilla | and a slow connection + wlan => awesome wow pings |
| 20:14.51 | sbu | i = a |
| 20:18.25 | Gnarfoz | nobody's forcing you to use wlan :F |
| 20:18.40 | Gnarfoz | sbu: I had no internet for a while during my move! that's 100% less internets! |
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| 20:25.38 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: my house is |
| 20:27.25 | Megalon | lets burn it down Stanzilla |
| 20:30.47 | Stanzilla | yay |
| 20:31.14 | sbu | oh speaking of burning down houses |
| 20:32.05 | Megalon | is yours burning sbu? |
| 20:32.08 | sbu | can we please burn down some removed google streeview houses? |
| 20:32.11 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, l2powerline ethernet |
| 20:32.28 | sbu | google told there will be no more streetview updates in germany |
| 20:32.30 | sbu | *sigh* |
| 20:33.31 | nevcairiel | people are so stupid. Since when does a house have a legal right to its own picture |
| 20:33.55 | nevcairiel | I should walk through the streets and take a picture of every hidden house |
| 20:34.13 | sbu | or burn them down! |
| 20:34.26 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: thats not working in this house :p |
| 20:35.03 | Funkeh` | why wouldn't it? |
| 20:35.48 | Stanzilla | 2 different power circuits |
| 20:35.54 | Stanzilla | and general brokeness of those |
| 20:37.19 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Are you working on MPC HC? |
| 20:37.32 | nevcairiel | i try to avoid it, the code is such a mess |
| 20:37.54 | Gagorian | Just saw some commits in your name, so wanted to check |
| 20:39.17 | Gagorian | Also I don't get it why getting perfect vsync and 100% smooth playback is such a damn delicate process |
| 20:40.15 | Mikk | well |
| 20:40.21 | Gagorian | I've got it working, but it works randomly. Sometimes when starting playback it starts with either tearing or stuttering. It gets randomly fixed when seeking the file, and then stays fixed for the remainder of the playback. |
| 20:40.29 | nevcairiel | its not that bad, just make sure your screen refreshes at a multiple of the video frame rate |
| 20:40.31 | Mikk | i was thinking the same a while ago |
| 20:40.36 | Mikk | then i looked at my laptop |
| 20:40.40 | Mikk | running VGA to a projector |
| 20:40.46 | Mikk | while simulatneously showing on the tft |
| 20:40.49 | Mikk | and went "aha" |
| 20:40.51 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Yeah, everything should be perfectly synced at 24.00Hz |
| 20:41.01 | Gagorian | And it is too, once it starts working |
| 20:41.07 | nevcairiel | also, get ReClock, does wonders for minor sync adjustments |
| 20:41.13 | Gagorian | Using it |
| 20:41.46 | Gagorian | Aero works to prevent tearing very well, but in some particular scenes it causes stutter that can't be avoided |
| 20:41.49 | Gagorian | So Aero is unusable |
| 20:42.34 | Mikk | the heck do you need audio stretching for |
| 20:42.34 | nevcairiel | I stopped using the MPC-HC built in renderes a while ago, using madVR now, perfect playback no matter if aero is on or not, so i leave it on for convenience :p |
| 20:42.51 | Mikk | that seems silly++ |
| 20:42.52 | Gagorian | I tried madVR, didn't work very well for me |
| 20:43.24 | Gagorian | There's only one combination that actually works, and I've fiddled around with the settings for days |
| 20:43.29 | nevcairiel | Mikk: it adjusts the reference clock to match the screen refresh perfectly, but to prevent audio from getting out of sync, it resamples it to match |
| 20:43.39 | Mikk | yeah but |
| 20:43.47 | Mikk | just show a frame one vsync more or less here or there |
| 20:43.51 | Mikk | no audio wobbly needed |
| 20:44.02 | Gagorian | And that causes a visible stutter |
| 20:44.06 | Gagorian | :C |
| 20:44.18 | nevcairiel | what if your movie plays at 24.000 exactly, but your screen refreshes at 23.98 |
| 20:44.39 | Mikk | one vsync more every 2 seconds looks like stutter? |
| 20:44.44 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:44.55 | Mikk | riiiiiight |
| 20:45.01 | Mikk | nm me =) |
| 20:45.04 | Gagorian | One duplicate/dropped frame is quite obvious :) |
| 20:45.04 | nevcairiel | if there is a slow pan going on, you will see it |
| 20:45.34 | sbu | nevcairiel: mh, i cant choose madVR in MPC-HC - its greyed out, any idea whats wrong? :P |
| 20:45.42 | Gagorian | sbu: Download it separately |
| 20:45.47 | sbu | i did |
| 20:45.47 | nevcairiel | besides, ReClock was initially designed to slow down PAL DVDs to their original 24fps |
| 20:45.47 | Fisker | is there any kind of combat log event for spamming fish feasts? |
| 20:45.49 | sbu | and installed |
| 20:45.50 | Gagorian | http://madshi.net/madVR.zip |
| 20:45.56 | sbu | yea, already did that Gagorian |
| 20:46.05 | sbu | +install.bat |
| 20:46.09 | nevcairiel | needs MPC-HC 32-bit |
| 20:46.13 | nevcairiel | in case you had 64 |
| 20:46.13 | sbu | ah, i see |
| 20:46.15 | sbu | yup |
| 20:46.31 | Gnarfoz | all those different renderers seem to make no difference at all to me. :< |
| 20:46.58 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: My biggest problem initially with madVR was lack of subtitle support, but they have addressed that now, no? |
| 20:47.16 | nevcairiel | yea they did |
| 20:47.23 | nevcairiel | only thing you cannot get is DXVA |
| 20:47.31 | sbu | so, now my pr0n is going to look better, right? |
| 20:47.59 | Gagorian | DXVA causes more problems than it solves, so that's okay |
| 20:48.36 | Gagorian | Only real advantage might be slightly lower power consumption |
| 20:48.42 | Gagorian | I haven't seen any quality advantage at least |
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| 20:50.55 | nevcairiel | the quality is not better |
| 20:50.59 | Gnarfoz | isn't there a renderer that makes old tv shows be HD? |
| 20:51.08 | Gnarfoz | that would be an actual improvement. |
| 20:51.15 | nevcairiel | You can't just make low quality content be HD |
| 20:51.40 | nevcairiel | You can resize, and sharpen, but in the end, its still a low quality source |
| 20:51.40 | Gnarfoz | this was supposed to be a funneh |
| 20:51.52 | nevcairiel | sounded more like being stupid |
| 20:51.53 | Gnarfoz | combined with my earlier comment about renderers |
| 20:51.54 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:52.20 | Gagorian | I use CoreAVC, seems to work well enough |
| 20:52.25 | Gnarfoz | same |
| 20:52.34 | Gnarfoz | but that's a decoder, not a renderer (or is it both...?) |
| 20:52.36 | Gagorian | It even has DXVA support now, haven't tried it other than it works |
| 20:52.39 | Gagorian | It's a decoder |
| 20:52.41 | nevcairiel | its a decoder |
| 20:52.48 | nevcairiel | DXVA in CoreAVC is buggy like hell |
| 20:52.58 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't that be irrelevant, then |
| 20:53.02 | Gnarfoz | to this fps discussion |
| 20:53.18 | Gagorian | Well, it was related to the DXVA discussion mostly |
| 20:54.26 | Gagorian | I just tried a few clips and DXVA seemed to play, but disabled it as I figured it would most likely cause issues. |
| 20:54.32 | Gagorian | I really don't get it how perfect playback from a PC has to be so damn tricky |
| 20:54.37 | Gagorian | Compared to a 90 euro bluray player |
| 20:54.44 | Gnarfoz | coreavc has serious seeking issues, though. or it might be haali. |
| 20:54.58 | Gagorian | Throw in a disc and you get perfect stutter-free playback with no tearing or other issues |
| 20:55.09 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: extremily heterogenous environment vs. rather controlled environment |
| 20:55.35 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: that's only true if both your player and the display agree on the framerate, hehe |
| 20:57.09 | nevcairiel | I use a HTPC because i like being in control, i even wrote a directshow splitter to replace the stupid haali and the mpc-hc internal splitters. :p |
| 20:58.13 | Gagorian | Well, I have both but discs really are hassle-free |
| 20:58.20 | Gagorian | One good reason to pay for them |
| 20:58.35 | nevcairiel | I also buy discs, but i play them in my HTPC |
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| 21:00.14 | Gagorian | Would be easier just not to be able to see judder and such ;) |
| 21:00.19 | Gagorian | Ignorance is bliss |
| 21:00.33 | Fisker | huh nevcairiel ? |
| 21:00.42 | nevcairiel | for some time i just watched stuff at 60fps, i dont really see the 3:2 judder |
| 21:00.58 | nevcairiel | 60hz* |
| 21:01.04 | Gnarfoz | Hz! |
| 21:01.10 | Gnarfoz | respect your scientists |
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| 21:01.51 | Gnarfoz | I need to find out what papers are read in Rastatt |
| 21:02.02 | Gagorian | Frame drops are worse than the judder, but especially panning scenes are so much smoother without the 3:2 judder |
| 21:02.19 | Gnarfoz | and how to get a list of landlords within certain parts of town :D |
| 21:02.46 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:02.47 | Fisker | slaps Gagorian around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:02.50 | nevcairiel | Fisker huh yourself |
| 21:02.52 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: I would rather have to not endure judder in the fucking cinema because they refuse to shoot at anything but 24fps |
| 21:02.52 | Gagorian | FISKER |
| 21:03.08 | Gnarfoz | *slowly pannnnnnnnnJUDDDDDDDER* |
| 21:03.12 | Gnarfoz | augh. |
| 21:03.22 | Gagorian | Gnarfoz: That's a two-edged sword on the other hand... anything faster than 24fps looks like soap opera |
| 21:03.27 | Gnarfoz | not to me |
| 21:03.28 | nevcairiel | I dunno, the 24p is kinda part of the movie feeling, if you take that away everything starts to look like a sitcom |
| 21:03.45 | Gnarfoz | I only experience that when it's shot at something other than 60fps and then upconverted/interpolated. |
| 21:03.50 | Gnarfoz | native 60fps stuff looks fine |
| 21:04.04 | Fisker | sno nevcairiel |
| 21:04.07 | Gnarfoz | you and your sitcoms, those aren't even shot at 60fps! :P |
| 21:04.07 | Fisker | not sno |
| 21:04.08 | Fisker | but no |
| 21:04.11 | Gagorian | I've tried to look at movies with interpolation, it just looks so wrong |
| 21:04.22 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 60i probably |
| 21:04.23 | Fisker | make a feature in Ace3 that sends "FUKKEN_FISH_FEAST_CLICK_SPAMMED_AGAIN" |
| 21:04.24 | Gagorian | (not to mention artifacting and other issues) |
| 21:04.29 | Fisker | as an event of course |
| 21:04.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not even that |
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| 21:05.14 | Gagorian | Interpolation is just a gimmick to sell pricier TVs |
| 21:05.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: 29.997(blah)p, broadcast as 59.97(blah again)i... and for that, you'd have to be in NTSCland |
| 21:05.34 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: wtb more original 60fps content. ;) |
| 21:05.45 | nevcairiel | They might as well even record at 60i |
| 21:06.00 | nevcairiel | alot of NTSC camers record 60i, because its easier to record then 30p |
| 21:06.05 | nevcairiel | cameras* |
| 21:06.12 | Gagorian | I'm undecided on that, except 3D definately would need more than 2x 24p |
| 21:06.20 | Gagorian | The judder is way more apparent there |
| 21:06.38 | nevcairiel | in the end, 60i and 30p carry the same amount of information anyway |
| 21:06.49 | nevcairiel | except that native 60i has marginally smoother movement |
| 21:06.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: let's conclude: thanks to the shitty stoneage of TV, we all suffer to this day. |
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| 21:08.20 | Gagorian | As long as they shove PAL somewhere where the sun doesn't shine I'd already be a lot happier |
| 21:08.40 | nevcairiel | I dunno, PAL is better then NTSC |
| 21:08.42 | Mikk | because Not The Same Color is so great? =P |
| 21:08.52 | Mikk | oh hey bad transmission everyone goes green |
| 21:09.18 | nevcairiel | With PAL, we at least get fluid motion, NTSC has the 3:2 judder built in |
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| 21:09.32 | nevcairiel | although we get the chipmunk effect on alot of DVDs |
| 21:11.10 | Gagorian | Or when they decide to resample the audio it to get rid of the chipmunk effect, there's always some issues |
| 21:11.35 | nevcairiel | Thats where reclock initially was designed for, speaking of :d |
| 21:11.48 | Mikk | goes back to his unsynced 800x600 projector and 120EUR 5.1 system and leaves the hifi trolls |
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| 21:12.26 | Gagorian | At least if a DVD is left chipmunked, you can slow it down with reclock and it's theoretically back to normal |
| 21:12.35 | Gagorian | But if it's resampled already |
| 21:13.08 | Gagorian | There's always some quality loss/artifacts introduced in the process |
| 21:13.28 | Fisker | have you done it yet nevcairiel ? |
| 21:13.33 | nevcairiel | good that the time of DVDs is over |
| 21:13.42 | Megalon | then the question is Gagorian, how often was Fisker resampled as a child? |
| 21:14.01 | Gnarfoz | 666 times |
| 21:14.23 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: And the end of PAL too I guess, at least for what concerns me |
| 21:14.28 | Gagorian | Megalon: Way too many times |
| 21:14.37 | nevcairiel | My last DVD set can probably be replaced soon, LOTR Extended BluRays are coming out soon :D |
| 21:14.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: soon meaning end of next year |
| 21:14.51 | Gnarfoz | (aaaaagh) |
| 21:14.52 | Gagorian | Yeah, waiting for those :) |
| 21:15.19 | Gagorian | They're really milking the cash cow with releasing the theatrical editions first |
| 21:15.24 | Gagorian | (pisses me off) |
| 21:15.26 | nevcairiel | http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004TM19RI/ref=oss_product |
| 21:15.29 | Gnarfoz | they're probably going to be released with Duke Nukem Forever and the Star Wars ep4-6 blurays |
| 21:15.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: ^^ |
| 21:15.47 | nevcairiel | just 2.5 month |
| 21:16.03 | Gagorian | I thought they were going to be released around christmas? |
| 21:16.12 | Gagorian | Seems like it's changed then |
| 21:16.14 | Gnarfoz | you're not going to buy the bastardized german version though, are you? :O |
| 21:16.16 | nevcairiel | amazon lists date as first of july |
| 21:16.36 | Gnarfoz | oh it has both de and en as dts-hd ma |
| 21:16.43 | nevcairiel | Its full length with full lossless english audio |
| 21:16.46 | nevcairiel | what else do i need |
| 21:17.15 | Gnarfoz | description says it has a new transfer (LOL wrong term) of FotR |
| 21:17.22 | nevcairiel | actually, i've only seen one BluRay that had ONLY german HD audio, and not english |
| 21:17.24 | Fisker | music |
| 21:17.26 | Gnarfoz | but not of TTT or RotK? |
| 21:17.27 | Fisker | song |
| 21:17.42 | nevcairiel | wasnt it recorded digitally anyway |
| 21:17.55 | Gagorian | nevcairiel: Do german DVDs usually contain HD-audio for English only? |
| 21:18.00 | Gagorian | And regular DTS for German |
| 21:18.05 | Gagorian | err blurays I mean ofc |
| 21:18.10 | Gnarfoz | the other way around is more likely |
| 21:18.13 | nevcairiel | Most have both |
| 21:18.20 | Gnarfoz | (if they don't have both) |
| 21:18.29 | nevcairiel | But like i said, i only have one that only has german HD audio |
| 21:18.37 | nevcairiel | but i have several that only has english HD |
| 21:18.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no, it wasn't, just digital intermediates (like most movies, hence I'm confused what "original 2K digital master" they're talking about) |
| 21:18.47 | nevcairiel | have* |
| 21:19.23 | Gnarfoz | if there was a 2K master, it wouldn't be "a new transfer"... and if it's a new transfer it can only be from film |
| 21:19.42 | Gnarfoz | haha they're STILL splitting the movies over two discs |
| 21:19.48 | Gnarfoz | they can't be serious |
| 21:20.13 | Gnarfoz | how can someone come to that decision and roll with it |
| 21:20.27 | nevcairiel | You rather they lower the quality so its fits on one disc? |
| 21:20.35 | Gnarfoz | it fits without any lowering on one bd50 |
| 21:20.43 | nevcairiel | The extendeds are f'ing long |
| 21:20.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware. |
| 21:20.48 | nevcairiel | with 2 HD tracks |
| 21:20.57 | Gnarfoz | audio takes neglibile space |
| 21:21.08 | Gnarfoz | they could just throw all those extras on the other disc, it would be fine :\ |
| 21:21.34 | Gagorian | audio takes a lot of space actually |
| 21:21.56 | Gnarfoz | compared to the ~30+ mbps picture? not so much :o |
| 21:21.59 | nevcairiel | You know that the whole thing comes with 15 discs in total |
| 21:22.09 | nevcairiel | the actual movie discs have as only "extras" the commentary tracks |
| 21:22.23 | nevcairiel | .. which kinda require the movie to go with |
| 21:22.26 | Gnarfoz | then I eagerly await the picture quality they seem to have |
| 21:22.36 | Gagorian | The audio is probably around the third of the size of the video (just a guesstimate) |
| 21:23.00 | Gagorian | But with the lossless compression it's quite substantial |
| 21:23.06 | nevcairiel | At an average video bitrate, for 220 minutes movie, thats already 40GB |
| 21:23.06 | Gagorian | "DTS-HD MA supports variable bit rates up to 24.5 Mbit/s" |
| 21:23.30 | Fisker | so |
| 21:23.38 | Gnarfoz | wtf does that include that's not in the 6.1 DTS-ES core, though? |
| 21:23.48 | Fisker | anyone know if there's some kind of addon figuring out if people are spamming feasts? |
| 21:23.56 | Gnarfoz | (which you can losslessly extract from the MA stream) |
| 21:24.23 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: only addons that everyone would require to have can do that, as before |
| 21:24.34 | Repo | 10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron * r465 / (3 files in 1 directory): RaidBuffStatus: |
| 21:24.35 | Repo | - Added an option to consider buffs which are soon to run out as missing. |
| 21:25.00 | Fisker | can't you just scan the buffs Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:25.00 | nevcairiel | In any case, i'll copy them over to my file server and merge them into one, don't want to switch discs ... although i guess with a nearly 4 hour movie, its a good break for in between :P |
| 21:25.05 | Fisker | or do they not show up as a buff? |
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| 21:25.39 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: buff, of course, but there is no "I clicked that feast 10 times" buff |
| 21:25.48 | Fisker | no |
| 21:26.01 | Fisker | but the buff would never count down if you "Clicked that feast 10 times" |
| 21:26.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I fondly remember having a dvd evening with all 3 movies back in 2004 |
| 21:26.14 | nevcairiel | evening? that didnt cut it |
| 21:26.15 | Fisker | of course you might not be able to tell if he clicked 2 or 10 times |
| 21:26.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, we started at 3pm or so. ^^ |
| 21:26.31 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: but it's the "eating" buff, that you get from any food |
| 21:26.36 | nevcairiel | we did that when the 3rd part got into cinema |
| 21:26.45 | nevcairiel | watched the first two on dvd |
| 21:26.46 | Fisker | i know Gnarfoz |
| 21:26.46 | Gnarfoz | haha nahh |
| 21:26.49 | Fisker | but it's better than nothing |
| 21:26.50 | nevcairiel | then went to midnight release |
| 21:26.51 | Gnarfoz | we did that AT the cinema. |
| 21:26.54 | Gnarfoz | cinemaxx ftw |
| 21:27.00 | Fisker | also why would anyone spam standard foods just to trigger it? :P |
| 21:27.11 | Gnarfoz | that started at, I think, 5pm? |
| 21:27.23 | Fisker | basically i just want an addon to say a name so we can gkick the fuck out of that retard |
| 21:27.23 | Gnarfoz | FotR + TTT theatricals and then RotK premiere |
| 21:27.32 | Gnarfoz | (which actually started at 11pm, hehe) |
| 21:27.46 | Gagorian | Gnarfoz: I don't think DTS-ES core is lossless |
| 21:27.54 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: easy. /run SendChatMessage("It's Fisker!", "RAID") |
| 21:27.57 | Gagorian | DTS HD contains the difference, i.e. the lossy compression |
| 21:27.58 | Stanzilla | I one watched all 3 in a row, fell asleep mid-part 1 and woke up mid-part 3 |
| 21:28.00 | Stanzilla | best timing |
| 21:28.02 | Stanzilla | *once |
| 21:28.11 | nevcairiel | only DTS-HD MA is lossless, all the other DTS are just trying to be |
| 21:28.13 | Fisker | i don't think that's a good idea Gnarfoz |
| 21:28.21 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: that's what all those painstaking nerds on my hd-devoted bt tracker say. or maybe I can't read. |
| 21:28.51 | nevcairiel | DTS-HD HRA comes close, not that i would here any difference |
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| 21:29.13 | Gagorian | DTS HD is built on top of the lossy core, so it can still be played on old amps. The HD stream contains the difference |
| 21:29.15 | Fisker | anyway Gnarfoz |
| 21:29.19 | Fisker | you think my idea is awesome |
| 21:29.19 | Gagorian | DTS Core is like 1.5MBits/s |
| 21:29.23 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 21:29.37 | nevcairiel | sadly DTS-HD requires some non-free decoder, the free decoders all cannot do it |
| 21:29.42 | Fisker | So obviously you will have "Gkickretardsthatspamfishfeasts" ready for tomorrow |
| 21:29.50 | Fisker | you may find a better name if you want though |
| 21:30.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh, how do people on my tracker get the core from the hd, then? oO |
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| 21:30.44 | nevcairiel | huh? If you feed a DTS-HD stream to a "normal" DTS decoder, like the one built into MPC-HC, it'll just play the DTS core |
| 21:30.55 | nevcairiel | it just ignores the HD extensions, because it doesnt know them |
| 21:31.03 | Gnarfoz | gotta reconnect directly, bypassing my irssi. brb |
| 21:31.29 | Fisker | try writing a fish feast teller addon directly Gnarfoz that would be a great idea |
| 21:31.45 | nevcairiel | There are remuxing tools that can remove the HD frames if you want a smaller file for torrenting |
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| 21:32.31 | Fisker | don't you agree Gnarfoz_ ? |
| 21:32.40 | Gnarfoz | yes I don't |
| 21:32.51 | Fisker | not sure if want |
| 21:33.27 | Fisker | you should agree though Gnarfoz_ |
| 21:33.33 | Fisker | that would be a smart move on your part |
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| 21:33.38 | Fisker | and not a dick move |
| 21:33.47 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather move my dick, thoguh |
| 21:34.16 | nevcairiel | get a room, you two |
| 21:39.28 | Gnarfoz | fuck you grub |
| 21:39.29 | Gnarfoz | fuck you |
| 21:39.40 | Gnarfoz | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This msdos-style partition label has no post-MBR gap; embedding won't be possible!. |
| 21:39.41 | Gnarfoz | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume. |
| 21:39.45 | Fisker | i agree Gnarfoz |
| 21:39.48 | Fisker | grub is a huge faggot |
| 21:40.08 | Fisker | i tried getting grub to boot my ubuntu |
| 21:40.16 | Fisker | but it was just all like "lol blank screen for u" |
| 21:40.19 | nevcairiel | Thats why i always have some stupid harddisk playing root device |
| 21:40.28 | Gnarfoz | not my choice obviously |
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| 21:40.57 | nevcairiel | maybe try lilo, it doesnt embed, afaik |
| 21:40.58 | Ackis | hey Fisker did you get the duke nukem demo yet? |
| 21:41.06 | Gnarfoz | so I get to keep grub1 around forever, with nothing else than a chainload entry that loads grub2 in it |
| 21:41.10 | Gnarfoz | great. |
| 21:41.13 | Fisker | already completed the alpha/beta Ackis |
| 21:41.23 | Ackis | I finished the pre-alpha |
| 21:41.34 | Fisker | i don't think so bub |
| 21:41.59 | Ackis | bub sounds like bib which means you think I'm Bibi |
| 21:42.14 | Fisker | no |
| 21:42.18 | Fisker | watch more x-men fgt |
| 21:42.28 | Ackis | ok wolvie |
| 21:43.06 | Fisker | yeah that's what your mom said when i clawed her |
| 21:44.13 | Ackis | that's what you said before I clawed you! |
| 21:44.41 | Fisker | that's what you said before joe sigler clawed you |
| 21:44.58 | Ackis | that's what you said before I slapped you with a fish clawed you |
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| 21:48.41 | Stanzilla | bub is german for boy |
| 21:48.46 | Stanzilla | l2german |
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| 21:51.29 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 21:51.48 | Fisker | Gnarfoz totally told me that you couldn't make an addon that checks for people spam clicking feasts |
| 21:52.05 | Fisker | are you just gonna take it like George Hotz did? |
| 21:52.26 | Gnarfoz | you're barking up the wrong tree, Antiarc knows nothing of addons, only of cats and children |
| 21:52.49 | Gnarfoz | so yay, I'm fucked because of how my hdd's are partitioned |
| 21:52.52 | Gnarfoz | can't install grub2 |
| 21:52.57 | Fisker | looks liike he thinks you are a n00b |
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| 21:58.42 | Primer | Gnarfoz: lies |
| 22:03.31 | Gnarfoz | your mom lies |
| 22:03.33 | Gnarfoz | in my bed |
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| 22:05.55 | Primer | Gnarfoz: so what's the problem with the partition layout? |
| 22:06.17 | Primer | I'm curious, as I've never had any problems with grub in that regard, 1 or 2 |
| 22:13.43 | Gnarfoz | 1 and two work very differently in that regard |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | and the problem is |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | <Gnarfoz> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This msdos-style partition label has no post-MBR gap; embedding won't be possible!. |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | <Gnarfoz> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume. |
| 22:14.03 | Gnarfoz | no space to embed grub2 behind the MBR |
| 22:14.12 | Repo | 10grid2: 03michaelspain 06michaeln * r588 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 22:14.13 | Repo | Fixed a bug in StatusAuras.lua, status_HasStateChanged() was returning incorrect results , all indicators linked with auras were updated continuously, a serious perfomance issue. |
| 22:14.14 | Repo | indicator:UpdateBlink refactoring, removed blinking frames table from indicators. |
| 22:14.58 | Primer | that's odd. I always thought the MBR just chainloaded a grub shell, which could then find its own support files |
| 22:15.17 | Primer | by being able to read partition tables and filesystems |
| 22:15.40 | Repo | 10adiccmonitor: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.0-beta-1-16-g4771338 / (4 files in 1 directory): [+2 commits] |
| 22:15.41 | Repo | 4771338: Copy used globals in local scope to easily check for global leaks. |
| 22:15.42 | Repo | aca63b7: 4.1 compat layer should not break 4.0... |
| 22:16.25 | Gnarfoz | it does, and that "shell" (whyever you call it that, in grub1 it's "stage 1.5" and in grub2 it's the "core") doesn't fit where it's trying to put it |
| 22:17.03 | Gnarfoz | hence my leaving grub1 where it is, which works with hardcoded block numbers, which is bad. ;} |
| 22:17.55 | Primer | it's things like this that ultimately lead me to choose using a dedicated usb flash drive as my boot device |
| 22:18.10 | Primer | I've been using this device for close to 5 years now |
| 22:18.20 | Gnarfoz | I could probably try forcing grub2 to do the same, but I'd rather not take more risks than I already am. now I'm always chainloading from grub1 to grub2 |
| 22:18.44 | Primer | my method allows me to move drives around on the SATA bus and it makes no difference |
| 22:18.54 | Primer | not even windows is affected (by using drivemap) |
| 22:18.54 | Gnarfoz | everything would be fine if whatever script generated these partition setups wasn't totally braindead and started right at sector 1 |
| 22:19.40 | Gnarfoz | no dual-boot on my server, hehe |
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| 22:21.23 | Primer | well, since it is a server, it probably could use a dedicated boot device. Some server boards nowadays come with substantial flash space for just such purposes (so I've heard) |
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| 22:21.55 | Gnarfoz | if it was a server in my reach, we would never have had this conversation. |
| 22:21.57 | Primer | A former co-worker bought a PATA->CF device |
| 22:22.08 | Gnarfoz | also, it's not server hardware |
| 22:22.21 | Gnarfoz | it's a dedicated server, rental |
| 22:22.34 | Primer | so as to not have to allocate any space on any disk, since he wanted all disks to be in a hardware raid |
| 22:22.48 | Primer | Why not go cloud? :) |
| 22:22.53 | Gnarfoz | wtfcloud |
| 22:24.02 | Primer | I just maintain a pre-configured root fs on AWS |
| 22:24.17 | Primer | when I need a new machine, I just fire up another instance of that root fs |
| 22:24.22 | Primer | voilà , instant box |
| 22:24.45 | Primer | which has everything I need already on it |
| 22:24.57 | Gnarfoz | I don't need "new machines" at any point in time ^^ |
| 22:25.09 | Primer | if I need to install something new, or update old shit, I just mount it in a chroot, and do so |
| 22:25.29 | Primer | This was a remote upgrade of the distro? |
| 22:25.42 | Gnarfoz | just updating, it's debian testing |
| 22:25.55 | Gnarfoz | you never upgrade, it's not the stable version |
| 22:27.13 | Primer | right |
| 22:27.45 | Gnarfoz | it's just that the kernel update was made available today or yesterday |
| 22:28.19 | Gnarfoz | which was pushed with the (not quite complete, hehe) appropriate other packages that migrate stuff like device names to UUIDs |
| 22:29.01 | Primer | you mean the use of UUIDs in fstab? |
| 22:29.32 | Primer | Not sure where else UUIDs would apply, other than booting |
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| 22:31.08 | Primer | or you mean the kernel root= parameter? |
| 22:31.09 | Gnarfoz | fstab, resume config, initramfs, mdadm.conf, grub kernel options |
| 22:31.12 | Gnarfoz | all of it |
| 22:31.35 | Primer | I guess redhat's just been doing this longer |
| 22:31.51 | Primer | I've always used UUIDs for those, for ages now |
| 22:32.50 | Gnarfoz | you realize debian is the epitome of slowness in regards to adopting new stuff |
| 22:32.52 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 22:32.55 | Primer | yes |
| 22:33.15 | Gnarfoz | so where did I put that iptables line for my openvpn snat |
| 22:33.16 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 22:33.25 | Primer | hehe |
| 22:33.36 | Primer | iptables-save > /etc/firewall.conf |
| 22:33.40 | Primer | this is what I do on Debian |
| 22:33.52 | Primer | as there is no facility for doing that with the distro |
| 22:34.15 | Primer | post-up iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf |
| 22:34.27 | Primer | and that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:34.28 | Gnarfoz | seems like that is the facility for that. |
| 22:34.44 | Gnarfoz | (seems perfectly reasonable in the debian universe ^^) |
| 22:34.45 | Primer | well, that's a Lenny box |
| 22:34.58 | Primer | in redhat you go: /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 22:35.09 | Gnarfoz | that's not very redhatty of you |
| 22:35.13 | Gnarfoz | rciptables save |
| 22:35.26 | Gnarfoz | (lol rcxyz scripts in path, I find that so horrible) |
| 22:35.28 | Primer | and it saves it to /etc/sysconfig/iptables, which is then restored at boot |
| 22:35.42 | Primer | you can use "service" |
| 22:35.52 | Gnarfoz | so many ways to do the same thing |
| 22:35.56 | Primer | I've grown used to tab completing /etc/init.d... |
| 22:36.00 | Primer | indeed |
| 22:36.03 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware, our servers at work are RHEL or CentOS (and fucking legacy SuSE boxes) |
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| 22:36.14 | Gnarfoz | it's not like we run firewalls on those, though. |
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| 22:43.23 | Gnarfoz | re |
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| 22:44.53 | Stanzilla | hey Gnarfoz |
| 22:45.33 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: you're to blame |
| 22:45.41 | Stanzilla | orly |
| 22:47.19 | Gnarfoz | yep. |
| 22:48.47 | Stanzilla | why's this |
| 22:49.00 | Gnarfoz | because you're not providing relevant info |
| 22:49.04 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 22:49.10 | Stanzilla | I was at the doctor's today |
| 22:49.14 | Stanzilla | and got my new medication |
| 22:49.17 | Stanzilla | i'm hulk now |
| 22:49.22 | Stanzilla | watch out |
| 22:56.26 | Gnarfoz | sounds pro |
| 22:56.36 | Gnarfoz | now tell me what newspapers landlords in Rastatt read |
| 22:56.43 | Gnarfoz | so I can put an ad in there! |
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| 23:02.05 | Stanzilla | naw |
| 23:04.06 | Gnarfoz | yus |
| 23:04.12 | Gnarfoz | I wants FTTH |
| 23:07.53 | Stanzilla | for teh teh horde? |
| 23:10.17 | Gnarfoz | nah, they have too many trolls |
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