| 00:04.37 | harl|wok | strange though, the 2nd value returned by UnitName() is "" for players of my own realm when they are far enough away, yet when they're near me it's nil (as i would expect either way). |
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| 01:20.06 | sylvanaar | that is strange |
| 01:23.30 | sylvanaar | wonder why it is like that |
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| 01:35.33 | Ackis | heh dbm copied the circular range finder from bigwigs (idea at least, I didn't look at the code :P) |
| 01:37.47 | Funkeh` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc |
| 01:40.03 | Wobin | Ackis: isn't that usually what dbm does? |
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| 02:38.57 | leech | Man those guys aren't getting much sleep... |
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| 02:52.33 | quiesense | blah |
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| 02:55.22 | quiescens | as i was going to say |
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| 02:55.35 | quiescens | going to have to put dates rather than just times at this rate |
| 03:03.49 | pompy | no more updates till its fully restored! |
| 03:04.22 | quiescens | not good enough! |
| 03:07.21 | mckenziemc | takes quiescens down for maintenance |
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| 04:37.26 | tekkub | OMGMAINTENANCE |
| 04:39.48 | sylvanaar | it is all your fault tekkub |
| 04:43.02 | nebula169 | last update 10 hours ago ;[ |
| 04:46.58 | Trela | :x |
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| 04:54.24 | Torhal | Meep? |
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| 06:00.41 | pompy | nebula169: no more updates until its fully restored! |
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| 06:34.25 | quiescens | moo |
| 06:34.52 | quiescens | pompy is an answering machine |
| 06:34.53 | quiescens | nodnod |
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| 06:48.09 | mitch0 | I bet it's a plot to grab my curse points! :) |
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| 07:04.43 | Trela | SO CLOSE! |
| 07:06.19 | pompy | quiescens: nodnod |
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| 07:39.46 | Torhal | mitch0: Oh, you weren't told - they're no longer yours. |
| 07:39.48 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:40.21 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:40.25 | quiescens | that's not very nice |
| 07:40.34 | Torhal | Efficient, though. |
| 07:42.53 | bluspacecow | *bats torhal's hair* |
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| 07:46.09 | Megalon | noooooooooooooooo, not the hair! |
| 07:46.17 | Megalon | better bat his heir |
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| 07:48.26 | Torhal | dunks Megalon in a vat of honey, then hands him to bluspacecow. |
| 07:48.37 | bluspacecow | :) |
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| 07:48.58 | Torhal | Oh - I'd thought you'd want a snack. |
| 07:49.20 | bluspacecow | om nom nom nom |
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| 08:04.49 | mitch0 | torhal: pff |
| 08:05.01 | Torhal | Muah! |
| 08:05.24 | mitch0 | also, doing 2v2 arena with resto druid + disc priest was fun ;) opponents ragequit after 30 mins ;) |
| 08:05.33 | Torhal | Haha |
| 08:05.47 | quiescens | how is that fun o.o |
| 08:06.07 | mitch0 | we laughed a lot ;) |
| 08:06.21 | mitch0 | also did it at 2 AM ;) |
| 08:06.53 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 08:07.05 | mitch0 | I also managed a draw once against a holy pala with my mage |
| 08:07.17 | mitch0 | it was after about 45 or 50 minutes |
| 08:07.42 | mitch0 | right when he managed to resurrect his partner and thus almost got me ;) |
| 08:09.57 | quiescens | excuses |
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| 08:53.45 | quiescens | ): |
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| 10:34.38 | Wobin | http://antivirus.about.com/b/2011/06/22/curse-com-ad-on-woes.htm |
| 10:34.46 | Wobin | more comments and links from the author citing evidence |
| 11:00.06 | prencher | citing evidence that isn't actually there in the stuff he links? |
| 11:00.07 | prencher | fun |
| 11:02.44 | Wobin | She |
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| 11:10.18 | prencher | so her evidence is a thread with people complaining about spam, and that's obviously proof that the db was hacked? |
| 11:10.25 | prencher | it's an interesting leap of logic to be sure |
| 11:13.04 | Trela | prencher: I think I still have to go into work. |
| 11:13.59 | prencher | what? |
| 11:22.13 | Trela | I am the PHP person. :P |
| 11:24.02 | prencher | aye I know, I was just puzzled as to the context of that statement |
| 11:25.34 | Trela | Been up all night. |
| 11:26.10 | prencher | that makes two of us |
| 11:26.39 | prencher | well, actually got 6 hours last night, after going about 36 with 4 hours of sleep sprinkled in there |
| 11:26.52 | prencher | fun last few days ey |
| 11:27.44 | Trela | D: |
| 11:31.26 | Xinhuan | someone could probably reply to that article and point out the flaws in logic |
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| 11:34.32 | prencher | points at Xinhuan |
| 11:34.35 | prencher | I choose you! |
| 11:34.45 | Xinhuan | i can't, leaving office now :P |
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| 12:47.06 | quiescens | blames mitch0 |
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| 17:49.51 | sbu | Bibi: eta? :( |
| 17:51.51 | Myrroddin | no eta yet. still restoring from tape :( |
| 17:53.21 | Wobin | Myrroddin: what broke? |
| 17:54.02 | Myrroddin | both the primary SAN, then while replacing that, the backup SAN failed |
| 17:54.35 | Wobin | that's... unfortunate |
| 17:55.54 | bluspacecow | was it the controllers or the drives ? |
| 17:58.12 | Myrroddin | i'm not sure, but whatever it was, it was a worst case scenario. they thing you prep and test for, but hope it never happens. well, it did |
| 17:58.51 | Wobin | it seems to be a thing happening to a few places, recently =P |
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| 17:59.12 | Myrroddin | yeah, i've heard some other companies are going through hell |
| 17:59.24 | Wobin | blames sunspots |
| 17:59.47 | Myrroddin | the good news is this was NOT an outside attack: ie/ not a hacker. this was pure hardware failure of the worst kind |
| 17:59.59 | arkanes_ | I dunno |
| 18:00.10 | arkanes_ | there were 2 different people who made confusing complaints on the forums |
| 18:00.24 | arkanes_ | and that seems like pretty clear evidence that you're actually hosting malicious code and hacking people |
| 18:00.49 | arkanes_ | you meanies |
| 18:00.53 | Wobin | ... what.. that the SANs failed? |
| 18:01.01 | Myrroddin | excuse me....... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *a-hem* |
| 18:01.54 | arkanes_ | in fairness pwn.curse.com resolving to something useful is kind of discouraging :P |
| 18:02.03 | Myrroddin | wobin: yes. the primary first. then while replacing that and doing the data verification before tape restore, the back up SAN failed |
| 18:02.53 | Wobin | Myrroddin: no, I meant that the SAN failures were evidence of hacking people =P |
| 18:03.24 | bluspacecow | -_- |
| 18:03.35 | bluspacecow | that was an evil laugh Myrr ! |
| 18:04.11 | Myrroddin | bluspacecow, yes, and even more evil was i was using my sean connery voice to laugh in! |
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| 18:04.33 | Mihau | http://www.allstupidjokes.com/files/picture/68891073.jpg |
| 18:04.53 | bluspacecow | -_- |
| 18:04.57 | bluspacecow | Seerah |
| 18:05.02 | bluspacecow | hold me |
| 18:05.04 | bluspacecow | i'm skerred |
| 18:05.20 | Seerah | :( |
| 18:05.26 | Seerah | hugs bluspacecow |
| 18:05.44 | bluspacecow | Myrrodin was laughing ... it was an evil laugh in his sean connery voice ! |
| 18:09.13 | Torhal|work | Myrroddin: There were no tape restores. |
| 18:09.36 | Torhal|work | The reason things were taking so long is a Windows chkdsk on many many terabytes of data. |
| 18:10.14 | Myrroddin | i sit corrected. which coincidentally, is nowhere near the Curse HQ LOL |
| 18:10.35 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 18:11.03 | Myrroddin | or i wouldn't be in IRC... i'd be sweating over computers |
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| 18:12.38 | Primer | ok wait, the shit runs on windows? |
| 18:12.40 | Primer | no wonder |
| 18:14.27 | Torhal|work | Primer: Some of it, yes. Other servers run on Linux. |
| 18:15.22 | Primer | I'm guessing that the "terabytes of data" are on a SAN? |
| 18:15.25 | bluspacecow | *bats torhal's hair* |
| 18:15.28 | bluspacecow | meow |
| 18:15.35 | Primer | why would windows be doing a chkdsk on a SAN? |
| 18:16.07 | Torhal|work | Primer: I honestly don't know the architecture. |
| 18:16.24 | Torhal|work | There's a vdisk on the SAN which serves a Windows NAS IIRC. |
| 18:16.25 | Primer | I guess the SAN is used as a block device? |
| 18:16.51 | Primer | right, that's the only explanation, really |
| 18:17.19 | Primer | I guess NAS is more for SMB/NFS |
| 18:17.28 | Primer | can never keep those two straight |
| 18:23.28 | Primer | I know I'll probably get some flak for this but...my company's web servers are on AWS (Amazon Web Services) and, while I have to trust that they know what they're doing, I could probably restore everything we have from their backups in about...an hour |
| 18:23.35 | Primer | and I also have terabytes of data |
| 18:24.16 | Primer | So far it's been pretty solid. The only real outage was when an EBS volume became slow |
| 18:25.01 | Primer | I have the main servers behind one of their ELBs (Elastic Load Balancer) and I've fired up extra machines to handle increased load, worked like a charm |
| 18:25.23 | prencher | Primer: if we were on aws there'd be no curse |
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| 18:25.34 | Primer | Why do you say that? |
| 18:25.40 | prencher | bandwidth costs, plain and simple |
| 18:26.13 | prencher | not going to go into detail, but we're talking several orders of magnitude higher costs by AWS, due to the bandwidth structure |
| 18:26.36 | Primer | I'm not privy to the costs, I just run the show |
| 18:27.00 | Primer | I didn't realize the bandwidth was so much more expensive |
| 18:27.10 | prencher | it's not - only when you hit a certain point |
| 18:27.18 | prencher | but beyond that it's just not economical at all |
| 18:27.41 | Primer | I wonder if they have "reserved instances" for bandwidth allocation |
| 18:28.16 | Primer | we contract for 1 year reserved instances and get a substantial discount on the price |
| 18:29.04 | prencher | nah, but they have tiers |
| 18:29.28 | prencher | even the best tier though.. doesn't work out, for our load |
| 18:29.37 | Primer | that's unfortunate |
| 18:29.48 | prencher | regardless, as far as being on windows, the NAS is based on windows, and uses a SAN partition |
| 18:29.51 | Primer | The infrastructure that AWS provides for backups is amazing |
| 18:30.05 | arkanes_ | until EBS goes down for a week :P |
| 18:30.33 | Primer | yeah, but EBS didn't go down in that recent outage |
| 18:30.34 | prencher | CF in particular is linux (python specifically), as is mmo-champion and a bunch of others |
| 18:30.38 | Primer | it was a very specific case |
| 18:31.02 | prencher | EBS was exactly what went down in that recent outage |
| 18:31.03 | Primer | I was in the affected availability zone and my site was unaffected |
| 18:31.26 | Primer | it was a very specific EBS, one used for their DB |
| 18:31.32 | prencher | that just means you were one of the lucky ones |
| 18:31.35 | Primer | which I don't use |
| 18:31.37 | prencher | no, it wasn't not just the db ones |
| 18:31.56 | prencher | whiskey media and reddit and others had full blown outages for their ebs volumes - just regular ones |
| 18:32.00 | arkanes_ | need more negative clauses in that statement :P |
| 18:32.08 | Primer | Honestly, I didn't read much about it, as I was unaffected |
| 18:32.18 | arkanes_ | Primer: there were a bunch of cascade failures |
| 18:32.28 | arkanes_ | Primer: you were fortunate to be unaffected |
| 18:32.37 | Primer | guess so |
| 18:32.51 | arkanes_ | pretty much any major outage anywhere is giong to be the result of crazy 1 in a million cascade failures though |
| 18:33.00 | arkanes_ | because the small stuff is easy to handle |
| 18:33.07 | Primer | One of the conveniences that I've availed myself of is having EBS backed root devices |
| 18:33.27 | Primer | This allows me to maintain master machine image that I can fire up at will |
| 18:33.47 | arkanes_ | thats always handy |
| 18:33.48 | Primer | and have up and running serving our content in as long as it takes to boot |
| 18:34.12 | Primer | of course now I have to maintain that snapshot in different datacenters |
| 18:34.14 | arkanes_ | but what happens when the block your content is on is the thing that dies |
| 18:34.21 | Primer | ^^^ |
| 18:34.39 | arkanes_ | there's a limit to how many mirrors its practical to have of the big part of your data |
| 18:34.49 | Primer | indeed |
| 18:37.02 | Primer | I have our database mirrored in several places, using log shipping |
| 18:37.21 | arkanes_ | we have a similar setup to curse with 2 big mirrored SANs |
| 18:37.40 | arkanes_ | and we had a similar outage, where there was a major outage on our main san, they failed over to the backup and then it died |
| 18:38.12 | arkanes_ | repeated this several times over the course of several hours, turns out that one of the boxes on the san had a faulty power supply |
| 18:38.34 | arkanes_ | we'd fail over to it, the power supply would heat up, that woudl trigger a thermal shutdown and the whole thing would come down |
| 18:38.40 | Primer | wow |
| 18:38.48 | Primer | yeah, can't really simulate things like that |
| 18:38.54 | Primer | trial by fire every time |
| 18:39.14 | arkanes_ | never happened before because we only failed over individual apps to the backup as they were doing server updgrades and such, so the the load was never high enough to force the supply into overheating |
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| 18:39.28 | arkanes_ | its always that kind of thing |
| 18:40.20 | arkanes_ | heh and once we had a bunch of alarms go off because of production san performance degradation |
| 18:40.35 | arkanes_ | and it was because we were running stress tests on the backup san, which was located in the same room as the main one and the heat from the load on the backup san overloaded the air conditioning |
| 18:40.52 | arkanes_ | running big datacenters is hard |
| 18:42.01 | Primer | I used to work at a hosting company, I know what it's like to have the AC fail |
| 18:43.54 | bluspacecow | for our server room the A/c is sometimes a little too sensitive |
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| 18:44.06 | bluspacecow | the server a/c alarm freaks out because of it :( |
| 18:44.28 | bluspacecow | we has red light server alarm :) it flashes ! |
| 18:44.53 | Primer | We had to get these mobile units and ducts to cool the room down, plus we had to take a bunch of machines down |
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| 18:52.04 | bluspacecow | more idiocy in the comments of http://antivirus.about.com/b/2011/06/22/curse-com-ad-on-woes.htm |
| 18:54.50 | Primer | And the story itself? That's accurate? |
| 18:55.17 | bluspacecow | nah bunch of BS so far |
| 18:55.21 | bluspacecow | sensalitionist BS |
| 18:55.23 | Myrroddin | there is only one accurate thing in the article |
| 18:55.31 | Myrroddin | and that spam exists |
| 18:55.42 | Myrroddin | beyond that, the whole thing is BS |
| 18:55.44 | Primer | that curse.com is an ad network? |
| 18:56.26 | bluspacecow | they don't host ads on their network. |
| 18:56.40 | Primer | As far as my "email address having been exposed", I've always presumed this was due to me having addons on curse |
| 18:57.04 | Myrroddin | addons cannot hack you, or gather your email, or anything of the sort |
| 18:57.06 | Primer | I get tons of fake battle.net email every day (most land in the spam folder) |
| 18:57.12 | arkanes_ | bluspacecow: well, they host ads on servers that are found at curse.com subdomains |
| 18:57.40 | Primer | but that's been happening to me for a long time now |
| 18:57.44 | arkanes_ | bluspacecow: so the subtle details of exactly where that content comes from may be lost on some people, and describing curse.com as an ad network is pretty reasonable |
| 18:57.58 | Primer | arkanes_: I would agree |
| 18:58.05 | Myrroddin | mouse over an ad. the URL does not say "curse.com" or one of the related sites. the ads are not hosted on curse, merely displayed |
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| 19:00.03 | bluspacecow | yeah |
| 19:00.11 | bluspacecow | but she said "hosted on their website" |
| 19:00.48 | bluspacecow | ie the ad content lives on the same drives the site is hosted on and is hosted up on their bandwidth |
| 19:00.54 | bluspacecow | thats what i'm disagreeing with |
| 19:01.12 | arkanes_ | she makes an assertion about where a malicious flash ad is hosted |
| 19:01.13 | bluspacecow | this mary person is meant to be a microsoft MVP ... she 's meant to be explaining it in a way the layman can understand |
| 19:01.22 | arkanes_ | and that URL resolves although it's a 404 |
| 19:01.31 | arkanes_ | so there's no real evidence there other than her assertion :( |
| 19:01.40 | bluspacecow | which URL ? |
| 19:02.47 | bluspacecow | and i have links to Curse Networking and Boub saying there was no comprimise |
| 19:02.47 | arkanes_ | oh it wasn't from her |
| 19:03.00 | arkanes_ | it was in a comment from someone else that she linked to |
| 19:03.01 | arkanes_ | pwn.curse.com/content/apb/c4MSoGwLTHFLEXBO.swf?info=02e6710c08cf8a0e71778b8bcf0a775730c0ca951 |
| 19:03.04 | bluspacecow | funny how this article comes up _just_ as their network goes down |
| 19:03.22 | bluspacecow | if it was comprimised on the 15th why wait until now to post about it ? |
| 19:03.45 | bluspacecow | i'm afraid to say it |
| 19:03.47 | bluspacecow | i hate to say it |
| 19:03.53 | bluspacecow | but i think she might be a paid shill |
| 19:03.55 | arkanes_ | probably just a coincidence really |
| 19:04.04 | Myrroddin | also, hardware failure is not the same as a software hack |
| 19:04.19 | arkanes_ | this sort of provocative thing is common enough without looking for conspiracies behind it |
| 19:04.21 | bluspacecow | an MVP who posts on stuff like this _missing_ this until now ? |
| 19:04.26 | bluspacecow | a full week after it happened |
| 19:04.37 | arkanes_ | the fact that she didn't contact curse directly for comment is definitely a sign of poor journalism though |
| 19:04.59 | bluspacecow | and no direct links proving the comprimise ? or mentioning of names ? |
| 19:05.03 | arkanes_ | relying on a mistunderstood and out of context comment on a forum as admitting an intrusion rather than contacting curse directly is just ridiculous |
| 19:05.17 | bluspacecow | i googled her and she's a high level security researcher |
| 19:05.27 | bluspacecow | no way would she be posting on about.com about this |
| 19:05.58 | Primer | But is she hot? |
| 19:06.06 | Primer | I think that's more important... |
| 19:06.21 | bluspacecow | nope |
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| 19:06.48 | Primer | I've never run an anti-virus... |
| 19:06.59 | Primer | and I remain unhacked |
| 19:08.38 | Myrroddin | well, i'm out... sleep calls |
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| 19:10.57 | Torhal|work | But...but...bluspacecow: It MUST be true - she fucking cited Wikipedia! |
| 19:11.02 | Torhal|work | twitches. |
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| 19:27.57 | quiescens | moo |
| 19:28.41 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 19:30.15 | mckenziemc | tranquilizes quiescens |
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| 19:58.59 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 20:10.06 | quiescens | o/ |
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| 20:12.14 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 20:51.37 | sbu | oh |
| 20:58.57 | sbu | Bibi: since your hamster has been reanimated - any chances to get a 4.2 recap post soon? :p |
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