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| 00:51.42 | harl|Indy4 | ôo |
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| 01:14.42 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r158 / (4 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
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| 01:14.44 | Repo | - Changed relative stat value tooltip to show per 1 stamina, rather than 1.5 |
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| 01:16.47 | Repo | Expanded the documentation around one method; wanted to document what it took me a while to decipher. |
| 01:23.19 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/showitemlevel/. ShowItemLevel. Iroared (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
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| 07:53.36 | asmodai | When you self:disable/self:enable an addon, does it reuse variable settings? Because so far it seems that it changes some graphics but a drop down menu still has its option set to something else. |
| 07:55.53 | asmodai | Mmm, think this might actually be quite hackish to do. Would be better to have a defaults getting reloaded and applied |
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| 07:58.15 | asmodai | Mmm, and the defaults only resets the profile to nothing. |
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| 08:15.48 | Repo | 10broker_tolbarad: 03iceeagle 07master * v1.6-1-gb51d01b / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] done ticket 13 |
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| 08:24.42 | Repo | 10broker_tolbarad: 03iceeagle 07master * v1.6-2-gb07a2db Broker_TolBarad.toc: [+1 commit] update toc for 4.2 |
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| 08:55.33 | Slayman | transmogrification huh, interesting feature or major annoyance? |
| 08:57.34 | Yoshimo | can you remove messages from the chatterwindow that repeat themselfes over and over again in a very short timewindow? |
| 08:58.04 | asmodai | Yoshimo: I thought that feature was part of the logs in the past? |
| 08:58.18 | asmodai | Hmm, or maybe I am getting old and mixing up stuff |
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| 09:13.25 | asmodai | crapzor |
| 09:22.09 | Megalon | MYM vs iG asmodai O |
| 09:22.10 | Megalon | ;o |
| 09:22.49 | asmodai | watching CLG vs Millennium at the moment |
| 09:22.51 | asmodai | LoL |
| 09:23.23 | Megalon | lol is only blocking my sc2 matches |
| 09:25.25 | asmodai | heh |
| 09:26.14 | Megalon | with dota2 i at least know whats going on with the heroes |
| 09:26.44 | Megalon | lol has just crap dying left and right and i have no clue why |
| 09:28.31 | asmodai | Hahaha, I find lol to be nicer to observe. Much more action packed. And the ranges are not as retarded long as with dota 2 :) |
| 09:28.49 | asmodai | but meh |
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| 09:31.09 | asmodai | wow, what a turn around |
| 09:32.39 | asmodai | Ah ok |
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| 09:34.24 | asmodai | so, So when the addon enables itself again it doesn't clear the profile settings. |
| 09:34.28 | asmodai | crud |
| 09:34.57 | asmodai | Feck, think I need to rewrite parts of this >_< |
| 09:35.16 | nevcairiel | there is no magic whatsoever regarding any profile behaviour, its all up to the addon to do what it wants to happen |
| 09:36.42 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Yeah, I don't think Antiarc got around to really implement these parts. |
| 09:37.13 | asmodai | Trying to make both sexymap and sexycooldown work properly with profiles. |
| 09:37.49 | nevcairiel | some addons like to cache settings in upvalues and things, those will need alot of rewrites to properly react to profile changes |
| 09:40.27 | asmodai | nevcairiel: I think one of the problems is that the OnProfileReset doesn't really reset the profile |
| 09:41.21 | asmodai | It basically tries to start the addon again, but defaults are not being reapplied. That happens in another file, where the config is kept local to that file unit. |
| 09:42.53 | asmodai | But maybe I am not seeing something :) |
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| 09:49.49 | asmodai | Megalon: btw, with LoL: there's baron nashor (LoL's version of Roshan), which gives your team a buff for extra damage and regen, there's the ancient Golem, which provides an ability cooldown reduction and mana regen buff, there's Elder Lizard that gives a slow and DoT buff/debuff on-hit, there's Dragon at the bottom which gives bonus gold to the entire team. |
| 09:52.35 | asmodai | Megalon: bottom lane is typically a duo lane, support + attack damage carry, mid is a solo lane, top is also a solo lane, and both teams have a jungler who are typically the dedicated gankers early game. |
| 10:01.28 | Megalon | :o |
| 10:04.24 | asmodai | Megalon: that ought to help, yes? ;) |
| 10:04.42 | Megalon | herpderp |
| 10:05.02 | Megalon | haha :D |
| 10:05.43 | asmodai | yea, that was funny |
| 10:06.36 | asmodai | oh wow, and it's still around |
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| 10:53.38 | asmodai | nevcairiel: btw, any addons I want to install to make addon development/debugging easier? |
| 11:03.04 | Yoshimo | bugsack/swatter? |
| 11:03.32 | asmodai | Yoshimo: Got those |
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| 11:04.14 | Yoshimo | there was an addon that runs luacode you enter in its box, wowlua or so |
| 11:04.17 | Iroared | anyone knows how to capitalize the first letter of a word properly? |
| 11:04.48 | Iroared | because s:gsub("^.",string.upper) only works for english |
| 11:04.57 | asmodai | Define properly? |
| 11:05.04 | Megalon | haha wtfbaserace |
| 11:05.07 | Iroared | so it handles wide characters correctly |
| 11:05.20 | asmodai | Not every language has the concept of case. |
| 11:05.31 | Iroared | well some do and yet it still doesnt work |
| 11:05.48 | mckenziemc | there's a pattern that matches an uppercase character |
| 11:06.19 | Iroared | well these patterns dont work in all languages |
| 11:07.08 | mckenziemc | try %a |
| 11:07.12 | jnwhiteh | asmodai: Yoshimo: yes, WowLua is an interactive Lua interpreter |
| 11:07.22 | Iroared | nope, still doesnt work |
| 11:07.36 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 11:07.40 | asmodai | jnwhiteh: ta |
| 11:07.44 | Iroared | dot works but it only capitalizes one character, even though letters are made of 2 characters |
| 11:07.46 | jnwhiteh | Lua can't capatalize a unicode character |
| 11:07.52 | jnwhiteh | preiod. |
| 11:07.54 | jnwhiteh | period |
| 11:07.56 | asmodai | You need ICU/CLDR support for that. |
| 11:07.58 | Iroared | umm string.upper works |
| 11:07.59 | jnwhiteh | you need to write that entirely yourself. |
| 11:08.04 | Iroared | but for the whole string |
| 11:08.22 | jnwhiteh | then use this |
| 11:08.22 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/snippets/UTF-8_aware_stringsub_7 |
| 11:08.40 | asmodai | Proper i18n and L10n is an art onto itself. :) |
| 11:09.20 | Iroared | oh thanks that helps |
| 11:10.22 | Megalon | and what about id10t asmodai? :( |
| 11:10.52 | asmodai | Megalon: Not supported. |
| 11:10.55 | asmodai | :) |
| 11:11.20 | asmodai | I seriously need to get my ass back to coding on Babel for Python :( |
| 11:11.42 | asmodai | (http://babel.edgewall.org/) |
| 11:13.13 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 11:14.26 | asmodai | Crud, really need to adjust to the Lua syntax again after doing so much Python, keep wanting to write stuff in Python-like syntax XD |
| 11:14.39 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 11:16.11 | Iroared | =\ i kept writing endfunction after jass |
| 11:16.19 | asmodai | heh |
| 11:16.34 | Iroared | syntax highlighting helps though |
| 11:16.47 | asmodai | Got vim and sublime text for that |
| 11:20.36 | airtonix | :< |
| 11:20.58 | Iroared | far/colorer or gedit |
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| 11:22.01 | Repo | 10showitemlevel: 03Iroared * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): Submitting first version |
| 11:23.13 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 11:23.38 | mckenziemc | sprays harl with a fire hose |
| 11:23.56 | Repo | 10showitemlevel: 03Iroared 04v1.00 * r3 : Tagging as v1.00 |
| 11:24.09 | harl | wat? |
| 11:28.18 | Iroared | how often does addons dl/day update on curse |
| 11:28.32 | Iroared | like, when you type in a part of an addons name, it shows a dropdown with choices and their dl/day |
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| 11:34.34 | asmodai | wow, GamesCom filled to capacity :| |
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| 11:41.01 | asmodai | hahahaha |
| 11:41.12 | asmodai | That American team can't take European beer, haha |
| 11:43.05 | nevcairiel | i cant take american beer, it tastes like shit. :p |
| 11:43.38 | asmodai | lol |
| 11:43.52 | asmodai | I wonder what they thought of the half liters in Germany ;) |
| 11:46.47 | nevcairiel | i'm personally not a fan of 0.5l bottles, i dont drink fast enough and it starts tasting funny. :d |
| 11:46.57 | asmodai | crap, and now I feel like eating a proper schnitzel |
| 11:47.18 | airtonix | proper? |
| 11:48.36 | airtonix | schnitzel is a horrible concept for food in the first place, i'd hate to imagine what gutter flotsam you imply to consume on a regular basis by that statement |
| 11:48.55 | asmodai | the real beat flat meat with the 3 different heats of oil |
| 11:54.41 | Megalon | what the schnitzel |
| 11:56.05 | asmodai | heh |
| 11:56.12 | asmodai | Megalon: Hoodwinked! |
| 11:57.40 | asmodai | Megalon: Or was that not a reference? :) |
| 11:58.12 | Megalon | schnitzelsong is best song |
| 11:59.20 | sbu | wtf is schnitzelsong? |
| 12:00.01 | Megalon | wtf, Y U NOT KNOW SCHNITZELSONG sbu |
| 12:00.04 | asmodai | sbu: Go watch Hoodwinked |
| 12:00.29 | asmodai | Megalon: Paul's bunion cream! |
| 12:00.36 | Megalon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCJJZ-Teipw |
| 12:00.40 | Megalon | schniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitzel |
| 12:00.40 | asmodai | Holy shit |
| 12:00.42 | asmodai | Hoodwinked 2? |
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| 12:00.51 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhwaIwx0Is |
| 12:00.58 | sbu | WTF |
| 12:01.58 | airtonix | umad? |
| 12:01.58 | Megalon | socke, socke, socke |
| 12:02.17 | asmodai | hahaha, yeah, LoL commentators talking about Socke |
| 12:02.52 | asmodai | I was surprised Huk lost so extremely hard |
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| 12:27.54 | Slayman | hey you'z do you know if that Threat HotFix is live in europe? the numbers I see are a mixed bag |
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| 12:31.20 | asmodai | The threat generation increase? |
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| 12:43.20 | airtonix | nah we female sheep don't know |
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| 12:54.55 | Repo | 10battlegroundtargets: 03kunda * r28 BattlegroundTargets.lua: next one: update previous commit |
| 13:07.05 | Repo | 10battlegroundtargets: 03kunda 0440200-9 * r29 : (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 13:07.06 | Repo | New in 40200-9: |
| 13:07.07 | Repo | - added health bar and health percent (DISABLED by DEFAULT) [read NOTES in BattlegroundTargets.lua for more information!] |
| 13:07.08 | Repo | - added scale slider for target and focus indicator |
| 13:07.09 | Repo | - improved button highlighting for target |
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| 13:18.50 | Megalon | wow, dota2 bo3 |
| 13:19.16 | Megalon | i hope they got the venue long enough to play it out until the winner is determined :o |
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| 13:25.44 | asmodai | Megalon: bo3? |
| 13:25.59 | Megalon | winner bracket final in dota2 |
| 13:26.01 | Megalon | best of 3 |
| 13:26.05 | asmodai | ah |
| 13:26.12 | Megalon | that's like 40 mins in pickphase alone :D |
| 13:26.29 | asmodai | yea, pick/ban seems 10 mins on avg |
| 13:27.02 | Megalon | that entire bo3 could be a 4hour undertaking without a problem :D |
| 13:28.13 | asmodai | hehe |
| 13:40.03 | asmodai | Megalon: towers seem more forgiving in dota than in lol |
| 13:47.18 | Megalon | lol 15k difference? |
| 13:48.05 | Megalon | rampage |
| 13:50.04 | asmodai | Dota? |
| 13:50.10 | asmodai | yeah, that Na'Vi are roflstomping |
| 13:54.01 | asmodai | hahahaha |
| 13:54.07 | asmodai | that smiley face with items from Weaver |
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| 14:24.42 | asmodai | It's a Wobin |
| 14:27.14 | Megalon | wobwobwobwobwobwob |
| 14:28.30 | asmodai | jesus |
| 14:28.37 | asmodai | can';t these dota commentators stop screaming |
| 14:28.44 | asmodai | can't understand what the fuck they're saying |
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| 14:36.30 | Brybry | has anyone won as radiant yet? |
| 14:38.34 | asmodai | Mmm |
| 14:38.56 | asmodai | yes, MYM |
| 14:39.01 | asmodai | and m5 |
| 14:39.02 | asmodai | earlier today |
| 14:39.25 | prencher | asmodai: screaming is what makes it exciting! |
| 14:40.26 | asmodai | prencher: heh |
| 14:40.31 | asmodai | painful is more like it |
| 14:42.29 | prencher | asmodai: there are certain rules to commentary - scream so you don't have to make sense, and make statements like "now would be a really good time to score" every now and again |
| 14:46.24 | asmodai | hehe |
| 14:46.32 | asmodai | "Trying to go for maximum damage" |
| 14:51.05 | Megalon | asmodai, did you watch the IEM main stage? |
| 14:52.28 | asmodai | Megalon: of LoL? |
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| 15:01.44 | Megalon | of that weird tank thing |
| 15:01.45 | Megalon | ;c |
| 15:02.02 | Megalon | was one of that "wtf is this" things |
| 15:02.06 | Megalon | >:c |
| 15:07.59 | asmodai | Megalon: must've missed it |
| 15:12.14 | asmodai | Megalon: maybe world of tanks? ;) |
| 15:12.40 | Megalon | the natural habitat of the tank is the bushes |
| 15:14.07 | asmodai | jesus, scream some more, ffs |
| 15:14.39 | Brybry | artstyle was pretty much unkillable D: |
| 15:15.50 | asmodai | he was playing what? |
| 15:17.58 | Brybry | viper? |
| 15:21.07 | asmodai | ah |
| 15:21.12 | asmodai | yeah, he was |
| 15:27.55 | asmodai | mmm, notch live hacking: http://www.livestream.com/newchannel/popoutplayer?channel=mojang |
| 15:28.10 | Repo | 10tank-points: 03JackTripper * r159 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 15:28.11 | Repo | - Configuration option to ignore Gems, Enchants or Prismatics. |
| 15:28.12 | Repo | - Can press Alt to temporarily ignore/incldue Gems, Enchants and Prismatics |
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| 15:38.11 | Repo | 10mail-outbox: 03DieenDieen * r14 / (38 files in 6 directories): |
| 15:38.12 | Repo | adding /mailoutbox history command (and window), fixing sent item list. I am rather inexperienced with wow GUI so pls comment and report bugs |
| 15:40.15 | Repo | 10mail-outbox: 03DieenDieen * r15 libs/LibStub (6 files in 2 directories): update with files |
| 15:42.33 | Repo | 10mail-outbox: 03DieenDieen 040.9.9.beta * r16 : Tagging as 0.9.9.beta |
| 15:42.34 | Repo | added /mailoutbox history |
| 15:42.35 | Repo | fixed sent item list (to be reseted properly) |
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| 16:13.30 | prencher | man this guy and his yelling |
| 16:15.30 | Repo | 10battlegroundtargets: 03kunda 0440200-10 * r31 : (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 16:15.31 | Repo | New in 40200-10: |
| 16:15.32 | Repo | - added health bar and health percent (DISABLED by DEFAULT) [read NOTES in BattlegroundTargets.lua for more information!] |
| 16:15.34 | Repo | - added scale slider for target and focus indicator |
| 16:15.35 | Repo | - improved button highlighting for target |
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| 16:28.28 | Iroared | what arguments are passed to addons? |
| 16:31.17 | asmodai | prencher: hit him ;) |
| 16:32.08 | prencher | he's literally giving me a headache, so enough of that |
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| 16:34.11 | Iroared | whats passed as ... to addons? other than name |
| 16:35.32 | Repo | 10fubar-dummy: 03mikk * r10 FuBar.toc: TOC 40200 |
| 16:36.10 | Repo | 10fubar-dummy: 03mikk 044.2.0 * r11 : Tagging as 4.2.0 |
| 16:36.32 | Mikk | Iroared: name, addonTable |
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| 16:36.50 | Mikk | the same table is passed to all files in the same addon |
| 16:37.15 | Mikk | that table can also be passed to AceAddon if you're using that |
| 16:38.04 | asmodai | prencher: :) |
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| 17:31.19 | Yoshimo | @describe fubar-dummy |
| 17:31.20 | Repo | Yoshimo: http://www.wowace.com/addons/fubar-dummy/. FuBar replacement for FuBar2Broker. FuBar replacement for FuBar2Broker |
| 17:32.44 | Yoshimo | same for some titanpanel plugins that refuse to load if titanpanel is not present^^ |
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| 20:17.43 | aestil | So, if I'm trying to learn lua, what is an addon I should look at that is somewhat understandable? |
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| 20:24.12 | asmodai | Not sure if an addon is the best way to learn Lua due to Blizzard specific touches to Lua. |
| 20:25.00 | aestil | i don't really need to learn lua for any other reason. |
| 20:25.19 | aestil | and its more just an excersize, trying to learn some programming, period. |
| 20:25.24 | aestil | atm, clueless. |
| 20:26.24 | Repo | 10startip: 03starlon 04v1.5.49 * 80414c1 /: [new tag] Tagging. |
| 20:26.32 | asmodai | Maybe something like Postal, or TipTac or XLoot? |
| 20:26.59 | aestil | good call. |
| 20:27.06 | aestil | i'll look at those. |
| 20:27.09 | asmodai | Should be fairly self-contained. |
| 20:27.14 | asmodai | and not too big I think |
| 20:27.17 | aestil | yeah, i only have a few addons right now |
| 20:27.20 | aestil | one of them is tukui |
| 20:27.25 | aestil | and while impressive |
| 20:27.33 | aestil | not helpful. |
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| 20:46.25 | Mikk | Postal |
| 20:52.50 | asmodai | heh: |
| 20:52.51 | aestil | NewAddon is something thats part of WoW's API? |
| 20:52.52 | asmodai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhiFxmrPQGM |
| 20:52.59 | asmodai | aestil: aye |
| 20:53.10 | asmodai | http://wowprogramming.com/ is your friend |
| 20:53.18 | aestil | ok. |
| 20:53.34 | aestil | when someone makes a function, like |
| 20:54.16 | aestil | CrapFucntion = function(variable1, variable2, varable3) |
| 20:54.49 | aestil | nevermind |
| 20:54.52 | aestil | i'm just getting to that |
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| 21:12.51 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop * r358 / (2 files in 1 directory): fixed goofy total bar |
| 21:14.36 | Repo | 10skada: 03Zarnivoop 041.3-6 * r359 : Tagging as 1.3-6 |
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| 21:54.54 | vhaarr | aestil: NewAddon is part of Ace3's API, not WoW |
| 21:55.31 | vhaarr | aestil: any particular kind of addon you'd like to dissect first? |
| 21:57.29 | Repo | 10startip: 03starlon 07master * v1.5.49-1-g7e14c5a Modules/UnitTooltip/UnitTooltip.lua: [+1 commit] Bug fix #2. |
| 21:58.05 | Repo | 10startip: 03starlon 04v1.5.50 * 2936522 /: [new tag] Bug fix. |
| 22:03.09 | p3lim | aestil: most of my addons are easy to read, and most of them does not run on any library. you could play with them |
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| 22:43.35 | aestil | vhaarr: I'm just trying to learn programing in general |
| 22:43.47 | aestil | lua seems like a good place to start as anything I make can be tested in wow very easily. |
| 22:43.53 | aestil | and there are a lot of examples for me to learn from. |
| 22:44.17 | aestil | you know how they say 'if you're not happy with what you're doing in life, change'? |
| 22:44.32 | aestil | just decided i'm sick of my job, and what i really want to do is be a developer |
| 22:44.38 | aestil | either java, or .net or something. |
| 22:44.48 | aestil | so, seems like lua is a decent place to start learning concepts |
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| 22:54.41 | vhaarr | aestil: yes, I guess Lua is a decent place to start |
| 22:55.01 | vhaarr | really, the language doesn't matter as much as the concepts |
| 22:55.14 | vhaarr | but I wouldn't touch .Net if I were you |
| 22:57.01 | vhaarr | aestil: the most powerful thing you can do is scratch an itch you have with something |
| 22:57.49 | vhaarr | like the reason I started programming when I was like 12 was because the builtin file search in windows 95 sucked ass, so I built my own search tool using Visual Basic |
| 22:58.36 | vhaarr | from there I went to Java/SQL, then to HTML/CSS/JS/XML, then to C, then to Lua |
| 23:00.03 | aestil | i wouldn't mind living in the pacific northwest |
| 23:00.07 | aestil | hence .NET |
| 23:00.16 | aestil | but at this point, that's obviously very very far away |
| 23:00.24 | vhaarr | .net will die soon enough, you should not worry about it |
| 23:00.30 | vhaarr | so will java, probably |
| 23:00.40 | aestil | in favor of what do you think? |
| 23:00.49 | aestil | i don't see java going away while android exists |
| 23:00.52 | vhaarr | in favor of C, python and javascript |
| 23:01.09 | aestil | CPU's are so fast now, the VM for Java hardly even matters anymore. |
| 23:01.17 | aestil | My friend is a C# .NET dev. |
| 23:01.22 | vhaarr | it doesn't matter, it didn't matter 10 years ago either |
| 23:01.26 | aestil | they seem very busy up in his company. |
| 23:01.31 | vhaarr | java has been faster than native code for many things for a long time |
| 23:01.48 | vhaarr | I worked on enterprise java for many years, it's very nice |
| 23:01.58 | vhaarr | alright, maybe java won't go away soon but it's certainly looking shaky with Oracle |
| 23:02.01 | vhaarr | .net, however, will die |
| 23:02.10 | aestil | are there any 'i'm stupid and don't know anything, so help me start learning lua' books? |
| 23:02.22 | vhaarr | that's not the way I'd recommend doing things |
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| 23:02.32 | vhaarr | like I said, find a scratch to itch and fix it |
| 23:02.35 | aestil | the resource's i've found assume you know/understand quite a bit of stuff. |
| 23:03.07 | aestil | all my itches have addon's that have scratch them. |
| 23:03.09 | aestil | ;) |
| 23:03.18 | aestil | tough to come up with something new at this point. |
| 23:03.21 | vhaarr | that can't be true |
| 23:03.35 | vhaarr | 90% of the addons I wrote, I wrote because other peoples addons that did the same, sucked |
| 23:03.39 | aestil | well, i don't raid anymore. |
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| 23:04.43 | aestil | addon i want, but i'm sure exists |
| 23:04.55 | aestil | auto accept and turn in daily quests |
| 23:05.02 | aestil | i used to have one for the sunwell dailies. |
| 23:05.06 | vhaarr | there are dozens of those |
| 23:05.12 | aestil | exactly :) |
| 23:05.33 | vhaarr | and the reason there are dozens is because someone is not happy with exactly how one of them works, and so he makes his own |
| 23:05.36 | vhaarr | that's how you learn |
| 23:05.41 | mckenziemc | pretty easy to write, ergo good start |
| 23:05.47 | aestil | yeah. |
| 23:05.48 | vhaarr | then you have 10+ addons you can copy from and learn from |
| 23:05.52 | vhaarr | and make it exactly how you want it |
| 23:05.56 | aestil | i need to get past the first 4 chapters of the lua online repository though. |
| 23:05.57 | vhaarr | instead of how someone else wants it |
| 23:06.01 | vhaarr | no you don't |
| 23:06.06 | vhaarr | start coding immediately |
| 23:06.33 | aestil | so, if there are multiple variables in a funciton |
| 23:06.51 | vhaarr | arguments/parameters, you mean |
| 23:06.52 | aestil | like ThisFucntion = funciton(this, is, a, function,) |
| 23:07.10 | vhaarr | foo = function(these, are, arguments, or, parameters) |
| 23:07.52 | aestil | ok, so a funciton is a block or unit which computes or executes something |
| 23:08.24 | aestil | so then? |
| 23:08.52 | aestil | what do the arguments or parameters do? |
| 23:09.07 | mckenziemc | you use them inside the function body |
| 23:09.39 | vhaarr | you need to understand scoping to understand the subject you're on now |
| 23:09.44 | mckenziemc | lua> function square(x) return(x*x) end; print(square(7)) |
| 23:09.45 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 49 |
| 23:09.50 | vhaarr | in my experience, it's the thing that new lua programmers have the most problem grasping |
| 23:10.03 | aestil | thats encouraging I guess. |
| 23:10.16 | vhaarr | well it's quite simple really |
| 23:10.17 | aestil | is 'fs' a protected lua thing? |
| 23:10.39 | vhaarr | when you declare a variable, like |
| 23:10.42 | vhaarr | local x = 1 |
| 23:10.45 | aestil | does it 'mean' something to the interpreter? |
| 23:10.50 | aestil | ok. |
| 23:10.51 | aestil | yes |
| 23:10.53 | vhaarr | that variable only exists inside the scope where you declare it |
| 23:11.00 | vhaarr | and below |
| 23:11.03 | vhaarr | but not above |
| 23:11.04 | aestil | until end |
| 23:11.10 | vhaarr | yes |
| 23:11.13 | aestil | ok, yes |
| 23:11.17 | vhaarr | there are a few scopes you should know about |
| 23:11.22 | vhaarr | global scope |
| 23:11.25 | aestil | right |
| 23:11.28 | vhaarr | this is accessible to all addons, everywhere |
| 23:11.31 | vhaarr | file scope |
| 23:11.38 | vhaarr | this is accessible everywhere inside one .lua file |
| 23:11.40 | vhaarr | function scope |
| 23:11.49 | vhaarr | this is accessible anywhere inside a single function |
| 23:11.53 | vhaarr | loop scope |
| 23:11.59 | vhaarr | this is accessible anywhere inside a loop |
| 23:12.12 | vhaarr | s/a loop/the loop/ |
| 23:12.29 | vhaarr | basically, there's more to it |
| 23:12.43 | vhaarr | but a variable declared somewhere can not be accessed above it's scope |
| 23:12.53 | vhaarr | so inside a .lua file, you have: |
| 23:12.57 | vhaarr | 1. a local variable |
| 23:13.06 | vhaarr | 2. a function, which again has a local variable inside it |
| 23:13.18 | vhaarr | the variable from #1 can be accessed from inside the function in #2 |
| 23:13.29 | vhaarr | but the variable from the function in #2 can not be accessed from the file scope |
| 23:13.33 | aestil | but the variable in #2 can't be seen by anything else in #1 |
| 23:13.37 | vhaarr | right |
| 23:13.39 | aestil | *nods* |
| 23:13.40 | vhaarr | so, you can say then |
| 23:13.48 | vhaarr | why not put all your variables in the global scope, right? |
| 23:13.57 | aestil | fs = filescope? |
| 23:13.58 | vhaarr | because then they can ALL be accessed ANYWHERE |
| 23:14.03 | vhaarr | seems easy that way, right? |
| 23:14.10 | aestil | you might run out of variables? |
| 23:14.14 | aestil | or forget you used one earlier? |
| 23:14.16 | vhaarr | 20 years ago, yes |
| 23:14.19 | aestil | and try to reuse it? |
| 23:14.21 | vhaarr | right |
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| 23:14.35 | vhaarr | conflicts will happen |
| 23:14.44 | aestil | so, here is one function i'm trying to understand |
| 23:14.44 | aestil | http://pastebin.com/1NGCZncV |
| 23:15.00 | aestil | hence, my question about the arguments in a function |
| 23:15.09 | aestil | i don't see 'parent' in the body of the function |
| 23:15.21 | aestil | and what does fs mean? |
| 23:15.31 | vhaarr | fs is a variable created there |
| 23:15.35 | vhaarr | notice the "local" in front of it |
| 23:15.38 | aestil | ok. |
| 23:15.46 | vhaarr | it could be called "foobarlolz" |
| 23:15.46 | aestil | does this function create a table? |
| 23:15.48 | vhaarr | instead of fs |
| 23:16.08 | aestil | actually |
| 23:16.10 | vhaarr | no, this function is very wow specific |
| 23:16.14 | aestil | yes |
| 23:16.25 | vhaarr | it creates a font string that is visible ingame |
| 23:16.47 | vhaarr | and it creates it as a child of the given parent |
| 23:16.56 | aestil | so, for later use |
| 23:17.00 | aestil | this doesn't do anything |
| 23:17.05 | aestil | its just a tool to display text on the screen |
| 23:17.16 | vhaarr | I don't understand the question |
| 23:17.36 | aestil | it doesn't say what text to display on the screen |
| 23:17.43 | aestil | this funciton is in a lua called function.lua |
| 23:17.49 | vhaarr | no, it /returns/ the font string object it creates |
| 23:17.59 | vhaarr | look at the last line in the function |
| 23:18.02 | aestil | yes |
| 23:18.03 | vhaarr | "return fs" |
| 23:18.05 | aestil | yes |
| 23:18.08 | vhaarr | so the caller would do like |
| 23:18.37 | vhaarr | local newFs = T.SetFontString(myParentFrame, bla bla bla) |
| 23:18.54 | vhaarr | newFs:SetText("This text will show ingame, inside myParentFrame, wherever it is") |
| 23:18.56 | aestil | where bla bla bla is what you want to say |
| 23:19.00 | vhaarr | no |
| 23:19.09 | vhaarr | I'm just lazy |
| 23:19.12 | aestil | ah |
| 23:19.14 | vhaarr | actually it would be something like this |
| 23:19.15 | aestil | the rest of the arguments |
| 23:19.30 | vhaarr | .SetFontString(myParentFrame, "Font Name", 12, "THICKSHADOW") |
| 23:19.31 | vhaarr | or whatever |
| 23:19.36 | aestil | *nods* |
| 23:19.44 | aestil | and things like 'SetShadowColor |
| 23:19.45 | aestil | etc |
| 23:19.56 | aestil | part of the WoW API? |
| 23:19.58 | vhaarr | yes |
| 23:19.59 | aestil | or an Ace lib? |
| 23:20.36 | aestil | techincally, that's a funciton itself though? |
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