| 00:00.15 | Stanzilla | looks like I was an idiot |
| 00:02.56 | znf | Stanzilla, where the hell di dyou get 3205? o.o |
| 00:03.19 | Stanzilla | znf: got heroic chest and ring today |
| 00:03.32 | znf | mmm, bastard |
| 00:03.36 | znf | hates holidays |
| 00:03.38 | znf | no raiding :-( |
| 00:04.00 | Stanzilla | znf: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/zirkel-des-cenarius/arc%C3%A1dia/advanced |
| 00:04.11 | znf | http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/14851b8b-7044-487a-abc2-e33b2d9e376c <-- might find that interesting |
| 00:05.10 | Stanzilla | mr robot is a bit weird |
| 00:05.39 | znf | how come? |
| 00:06.48 | znf | I found it perfectly suiting my needs. First time I run my char trough he said he's impressed :P |
| 00:07.05 | Stanzilla | sometimes the stat weights are wrong |
| 00:07.11 | Stanzilla | and it suggests stupid things |
| 00:07.19 | Stanzilla | never try to put a holy paladin there for example :D |
| 00:07.47 | znf | You can always edit them :-) |
| 00:08.00 | znf | I mean, the defaults might not be perfect for everyone, but what the tool does is awesome. |
| 00:08.21 | znf | If you're a perfectionist (or just have a different opinion), edit the stat weights and soft/hard caps |
| 00:08.44 | Stanzilla | yeah I do that usually |
| 00:08.55 | znf | Other than that, I like you. You using haste on gloves, too :P |
| 00:08.59 | Stanzilla | and I started using ReforgeLite yesterday |
| 00:09.07 | Stanzilla | which is kinda cool, too |
| 00:09.14 | Stanzilla | and I only have haste on gloves to hit the breakpoint! |
| 00:09.36 | znf | I also love the shopping list feature. I love it for my alts! :D |
| 00:09.49 | znf | so I don't relog 7 times to get the right mats |
| 00:10.39 | znf | anyway, 70k dps @ Madness |
| 00:10.48 | Stanzilla | nice :) |
| 00:12.50 | znf | I don't know why I get more DPS in LFR :-/ |
| 00:12.58 | znf | also, too bad I wasn't food buffed |
| 00:13.50 | Stanzilla | yeah lfr is kinda weird |
| 00:14.36 | znf | it's either because I only mindlessly DPS and don't worry about any sort of mana cooldowns |
| 00:14.42 | znf | or there's some hidden DPS buff |
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| 00:47.52 | Xuerian | ~seen Adirelle |
| 00:47.54 | purl | adirelle <~Adirelle@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 21d 4h 1m 18s ago, saying: 'nevcairiel, LibBabble-Inventory-3.0 needs to be updated : ptBR strings have been added into the localization system since r141.'. |
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| 01:00.04 | znf | misses Repo |
| 01:00.08 | znf | Xuerian, so, any fixes? |
| 01:00.16 | Xuerian | Oh, sure, most of them |
| 01:00.21 | Xuerian | except the options page doesn't render now |
| 01:00.26 | Xuerian | stabs himself in the eye |
| 01:01.58 | Xuerian | That's all I have left to fix. And somehow, I "fixed" the options page into invisibility |
| 01:02.41 | znf | cool :-) |
| 01:06.12 | Xuerian | Oh hey. if panel.variableichangedtonotexist then ACTUALLY WORK |
| 01:08.35 | Xuerian | znf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17738791/XLoot1.0.16-release.zip would you mind giving that a spin? |
| 01:09.22 | znf | didn't you commit? |
| 01:10.15 | Xuerian | I didn't publish it yet, I don't have a repository set up for 1.0. I'm teh lazies |
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| 01:34.35 | Xuerian | It's published now, but curse has a notoriously long approval time... Do repositories get past that? |
| 01:37.48 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 01:37.58 | Xuerian | Huh. guess I'll have to do that |
| 01:38.05 | Xuerian | After update the localizations |
| 01:43.20 | Xuerian | Hmm, is there a "WHAT THE F--- JUST EXPLODED MY FACE" addon with big numbers and pretty icons? |
| 01:43.44 | Xuerian | I don't pvp much and the girlish screams are going unexplained |
| 01:49.00 | znf | Xuerian, I don't understand why you named it XLoot1.0 |
| 01:49.13 | znf | Should have just gone with "Xloot2" or something like that |
| 01:49.19 | znf | set up a new project, new repo, poof, done |
| 01:49.27 | Xuerian | znf: The technical reason is the legacy XLoot is actually 0.9 |
| 01:49.42 | znf | just call it Xloot2 :P |
| 01:49.49 | Xuerian | I don't have a good one, really. My intentions are to swap it out or do like you said |
| 01:49.59 | Xuerian | I figured I'd get it to feature parity first |
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| 01:51.20 | znf | also, it would allow other people to commit :P |
| 01:51.27 | Xuerian | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:51.41 | Xuerian | It's technically got a local git repo, but I haven't committed to it since before I started this options crap |
| 01:53.08 | znf | buys dungeon defenders |
| 01:53.26 | Xuerian | I picked up SPAZ earlier, looked at DD didn't really go for it |
| 01:54.01 | znf | well, it looked interestng |
| 01:54.24 | Xuerian | Seems like a group game and my group doesn't play much but LoL anymore |
| 01:55.37 | znf | I never liked dota style games |
| 01:55.46 | znf | well, never liked dota |
| 01:55.48 | Xuerian | I HATED DotA when I started playing |
| 01:56.10 | Xuerian | A hundred or so kicking, screaming matches in I started to enjoy it |
| 01:56.36 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: you can ping me the next time you want something approved; I was just watching tv :D |
| 01:56.36 | znf | I used to play TD maps in War3 on BNet |
| 01:56.56 | znf | And I was pissed off when I saw 9/10 games being DoTA |
| 01:56.59 | Xuerian | znf: I enjoyed the RPG style ones a lot, like SWAT and Undead Assault 2 |
| 01:57.01 | znf | and only 1 tower defense |
| 01:57.11 | Xuerian | I actually worked on Legends for a while |
| 01:57.29 | znf | I don't really understand that game. |
| 01:57.37 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Cool, that works. You volunteering or curse hoover you into employment? |
| 01:57.44 | Xuerian | znf: Which? |
| 01:57.47 | znf | I mean, why would you make a game based on a custom map? :-/ |
| 01:57.49 | znf | LoL |
| 01:57.59 | Stanzilla | volunteering |
| 01:58.25 | Xuerian | Because the A-RTS (I hate the moba term) provides a progression PVP RPG experience that is based more on skill than on time invested |
| 01:58.37 | Xuerian | (I like it [...])* |
| 01:59.00 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Nice, nice. Almost started working there to do that, and QA on the curse client |
| 01:59.18 | Stanzilla | curse client has no QA |
| 01:59.30 | Xuerian | duh, I wasn't hired :p |
| 01:59.47 | Stanzilla | or atleast I hope it does not, would be doing a pretty bad job then :D |
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| 01:59.57 | Xuerian | I mean the client itself, yeah? |
| 02:00.01 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:00.04 | Xuerian | yeah. |
| 02:00.26 | Stanzilla | well it works fine, just the background stuff is broken all the time |
| 02:00.30 | Xuerian | znf: LoL is actually a lot more "fun" than DotA was. It's relaxing, where as DotA was (is, with 2) and HoN is full of assholes |
| 02:00.39 | Stanzilla | client itself just has a few optical glitches that piss me off |
| 02:00.59 | znf | who's zusername? |
| 02:01.04 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Well, go apply to curse. Tell them what the problem is, that you'll wade through the shit none of them want to look at and they'll pay you money. |
| 02:01.35 | Stanzilla | I thought they only hire people that are willing to move to their HQs |
| 02:02.09 | Xuerian | I think so, yeah. Huntsville is nice, though. |
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| 02:03.21 | Xuerian | Actually stopped by their office once, they're in the office park next to a bunch of aerospace companies |
| 02:03.22 | Stanzilla | just another continent :D |
| 02:03.26 | Xuerian | ... |
| 02:03.28 | Xuerian | Well |
| 02:03.41 | Xuerian | ... yeah that could be a issue. |
| 02:04.30 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 02:05.47 | Xuerian | Hm. Well. Might still be worth asking if they'd do a distance thing, but I guess the cross-country bit would add another layer of nope to the pile |
| 02:06.16 | Stanzilla | yesh |
| 02:28.40 | Stanzilla | simcraft is killing my pc |
| 02:28.45 | Stanzilla | wtb computer from this century |
| 02:42.25 | mckenziemc | i could give you my old T1742 |
| 02:42.48 | mckenziemc | it's from this century |
| 03:02.35 | znf | Wish I had a new CPU :-( |
| 03:02.40 | znf | this old Q6600 is showing its age |
| 03:03.19 | Xuerian | znf: Q6600 still hauls ass, even if it is dated. |
| 03:03.31 | znf | tell that to WoW |
| 03:03.35 | znf | freakin' CPU hog |
| 03:03.37 | Xuerian | You've got it OC'd to 3? |
| 03:03.43 | znf | can't OC :-( |
| 03:03.49 | Xuerian | Aww, you got a locked one? |
| 03:04.05 | znf | no, I've got Intel DP35DP |
| 03:04.21 | Xuerian | That's a shame. That thing OC's like a dream on air. |
| 03:04.22 | znf | Guess what intel bioses don't have? |
| 03:04.41 | Xuerian | Should see if you can find a decent used mobo for it |
| 03:04.48 | Xuerian | Should be fairly cheap |
| 03:05.01 | znf | meh, if I had the money, I'd sell the whole kit and buy a Core i5 |
| 03:05.38 | Xuerian | If you did. But the mobo should be around 50$ or so. |
| 03:28.28 | quiescens | o.o |
| 03:29.19 | mckenziemc | points a camera at quiescens |
| 03:33.30 | quiescens | dies. |
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| 03:37.10 | mckenziemc | captured it on film |
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| 03:46.29 | Torhal | Xuerian: We've moved. We're downtown, now. |
| 03:48.31 | Xuerian | Torhal: Orly? |
| 03:48.55 | Xuerian | No longer "Past the strip club, on the left"? :p |
| 03:49.11 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:49.13 | Trela | Xuerian: More of, "Above the bank vault." |
| 03:49.19 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 03:49.39 | Xuerian | Lol, nice. |
| 03:49.59 | Trela | Parades go by the office so we just look out the windows. :D |
| 03:50.04 | Torhal | Ugh. |
| 03:50.10 | Torhal | Shit drives me batty. |
| 03:50.22 | Torhal | Have to drive in weird ways to get into the parking garage. |
| 03:51.07 | Xuerian | Bet parade days are fun for that. |
| 03:51.21 | Torhal | So are the bicycle marathons. |
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| 04:03.48 | Xuerian | Balls. Someone would submit translations 70 minutes before I update half of them |
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| 05:15.47 | MysticalOS | Funky, can you please make a badboy "remove all legendaries from trade"? |
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| 05:49.28 | pompy | MysticalOS: there is |
| 05:49.57 | MysticalOS | you sure? i remember he made one that filtrs dumb stuff like anal |
| 05:50.11 | MysticalOS | but it didn't do oranges, unless that was added at some point |
| 05:58.42 | pompy | http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=319579&postcount=79 lol nice |
| 06:16.54 | Xuerian | znf: You're Znuff on curse, yeah? |
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| 06:29.40 | znf | Xuerian, yes |
| 06:30.24 | Xuerian | znf: Good, just noticed your curseforge comment, and then realized I had to subscribe to them separately. Issues fixed for you? |
| 06:30.56 | znf | Xuerian, dunno, we'll see when I can get into a raid |
| 06:31.08 | Xuerian | mmkay. |
| 06:31.10 | znf | tomorow, somehow :P |
| 06:31.14 | Xuerian | :P |
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| 06:57.28 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Ping for approval. fixing a bug :( |
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| 07:00.08 | mckenziemc1 | Xuerian: ping for making a repository |
| 07:00.20 | mckenziemc1 | :P |
| 07:00.31 | Xuerian | ¬_¬ |
| 07:00.44 | mckenziemc1 | you're uploading zips right? |
| 07:01.30 | Xuerian | Yeah, currently. Will swap it to a git repository when I get around to it (Which will include setting up embeds and uploading the libs separately..) |
| 07:01.40 | znf | yeah, seriously, took me 5 minutes to set up a repository... |
| 07:02.02 | znf | (but I prefered svn over git) |
| 07:02.05 | Xuerian | look_of_disapproval |
| 07:02.21 | mckenziemc1 | i use hg |
| 07:02.24 | znf | hey, what can I say, I like TortoiseSVN |
| 07:02.40 | mckenziemc1 | yeah tortoisesvn was nice |
| 07:02.42 | Xuerian | (My TortiseSVN has started refusing to auth with plink and curse so no svn, and I prefer git though I haven't tried hg) |
| 07:03.00 | znf | mine works fine |
| 07:03.10 | znf | I actually didn't do anything special to set it up |
| 07:03.21 | Xuerian | Mine was working fine too. |
| 07:03.23 | znf | but had PuTTY using my default ssh key, in it's default profile :P |
| 07:03.31 | Funkeh` | MysticalOS, add the names of the items or add the orange color code |
| 07:03.50 | znf | MysticalOS, also stop coding DBM =) |
| 07:03.59 | pompy | ~lart znf |
| 07:03.59 | purl | changes znf's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 07:04.06 | znf | hey! |
| 07:04.11 | Xuerian | Oh lawdie, the inter-aids |
| 07:04.17 | znf | Oh, speaking of GIT and TurtoiseSVN: http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ |
| 07:04.25 | znf | might make me use it now :P |
| 07:04.46 | pompy | i use smartgit |
| 07:04.56 | Xuerian | Yeah, I saw that. Default win git client doesn't bother me, and smartgit seemed overblown |
| 07:05.08 | Xuerian | Nice though. |
| 07:05.10 | znf | default win git client? |
| 07:05.11 | mckenziemc1 | default win git client? |
| 07:05.17 | Xuerian | As far as 'default' goes |
| 07:05.20 | znf | *stare* |
| 07:05.50 | Xuerian | ... |
| 07:05.55 | Xuerian | well the link appears to be down. |
| 07:06.03 | pompy | git-gui |
| 07:06.14 | znf | Woah. That SmartGIT looks like using a shotgun to kill a mosquito |
| 07:06.23 | Xuerian | git-gui |
| 07:06.26 | pompy | http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ |
| 07:06.36 | Xuerian | that one. |
| 07:07.09 | znf | will stick to TurtoiseGIT |
| 07:07.21 | pompy | znf: lol what about smartgit? |
| 07:07.33 | znf | pompy, looks so complicated at first look :> |
| 07:07.36 | Xuerian | To each their own. Didn't mind TSVN except for the annoying and loud-as-balls alert sound |
| 07:09.38 | pompy | znf: its not so bad, theyve been improving it |
| 07:09.55 | pompy | it uses java |
| 07:09.58 | znf | I'm not saying it's bad. Might be really good for all I know. It just seems complicated. |
| 07:10.04 | znf | And that's where you lost me. |
| 07:11.06 | pompy | tortoisegit is ok but its oos with some quirks |
| 07:11.13 | pompy | s/oos/oss |
| 07:11.27 | Xuerian | just typed /reload in firefox after he changed a webpage :| |
| 07:11.28 | pompy | s/oos/oss/ |
| 07:11.31 | pompy | lol |
| 07:11.37 | pompy | nice |
| 07:11.55 | Xuerian | Firefox was confused, "I find no link with 'reload'"! >_< |
| 07:13.17 | pompy | http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/12/why-google-continues-to-fund-firefox/ |
| 07:13.43 | znf | The ammount of QQ on the mmo-champ threads about the new SM and Scholo dungeons is... wow, over the top. |
| 07:13.48 | znf | "omg, reused content" |
| 07:13.49 | znf | oh'rly... |
| 07:13.53 | pompy | oh and well shit, im 9 days begind :( http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/12/mozilla-unleashes-faster-smaller-firefox-9/ |
| 07:14.31 | pompy | s/begind/behind/ |
| 07:14.46 | Trela | pompy: They are purposely staggering the automatic update process now. When the browser contacts Mozilla it may just say, "Yeah, you're up to date.", when you are not. |
| 07:14.51 | Trela | Stupid, but that is what they are doing. |
| 07:15.31 | znf | did they make it load faster these days? |
| 07:15.42 | pompy | sometimes when i view the about dialog it starts dlding and installing the update.. im like NO WAIT |
| 07:15.45 | znf | I only keep Firefox for FireBug and I rarely open it these days |
| 07:16.11 | pompy | znf: thats what they said for ff7 but it was meh.. but now they are saying "faster, smaller" for ff9, so we'll see |
| 07:16.22 | Xuerian | Sad day, no palemoon9 |
| 07:16.24 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:16.55 | znf | Interesting that Chrome surpassed Firefox so fast |
| 07:17.00 | znf | (in browser share) |
| 07:17.27 | quiescens | why is it stupid to stagger automatic upgrade thingy |
| 07:17.32 | quiescens | if its not security related |
| 07:17.39 | Xuerian | znf: When suggested by a site everyone trusts, it doesn't surprise me. Not to mention it works very well for most people (esp those with few tabs or that don't use complicated addons) |
| 07:17.43 | mckenziemc1 | because quiescens |
| 07:18.12 | quiescens | i still use firefox for addon thingies and things o.o |
| 07:18.17 | Xuerian | Yep... |
| 07:18.27 | Xuerian | Chrome for my BF3/Battlelog window though |
| 07:18.39 | znf | my mom loves Chrome :P |
| 07:18.48 | znf | the automatic translation thingie is gold for her |
| 07:18.56 | Xuerian | Yeah that's a great feature. |
| 07:19.49 | znf | And the Extension API is catching up in Chrome (compared to Firefox) |
| 07:20.10 | znf | I noticed they finally introduced a way for AdBlockers to block the loading of web pages (instead of just hiding elements) |
| 07:20.30 | znf | (well, at least in Chrome Canary) |
| 07:21.17 | Xuerian | I'd like to use it more for separate processes, but if firefox beats the memory issue I might stick with it anyway |
| 07:21.20 | quiescens | i hasn't been using adblock lately, just noscript, i only really dislike the ads that decide to be interactive of their own accord |
| 07:22.00 | znf | Also, I love how the web is advancing at a faster pace since Chrome. |
| 07:22.04 | znf | Doubt it's a coincidence. |
| 07:22.19 | quiescens | its advancing at a faster pace? |
| 07:22.30 | znf | Compared to the "pre-chrome" era? Yeah |
| 07:22.47 | mckenziemc1 | advances on quiescens |
| 07:22.51 | quiescens | dies. |
| 07:23.19 | znf | quiescens, personally I dislike flashy and misleading adds. Oh, and especially the Flash ones. Those piss me off completely. |
| 07:23.37 | mckenziemc1 | noscript blocks thos |
| 07:23.37 | mckenziemc1 | e |
| 07:24.17 | znf | I'm very fond of Javascript. I don't like blocking everything :P |
| 07:24.22 | quiescens | shrugs, i don't mind light animation and stuffs |
| 07:24.48 | quiescens | ones that decide to play movies with sound or take over random events |
| 07:24.51 | znf | The most annoying adds are on websites like rapidshare and whatever. |
| 07:25.01 | quiescens | are the ones i don't like |
| 07:25.17 | znf | You get a text link for the actual download, but there's like 20 adds with a BIG FLASH BUTTON "DOWNLOAD NOW!" |
| 07:25.23 | znf | Fell for them quite a few times >_< |
| 07:25.41 | quiescens | if its just banners or links here or there with a bit of animation i leave them be |
| 07:25.45 | znf | (especially when they are colored to match the website's themes) |
| 07:26.12 | znf | I keep the google ads mostly. Those I don't mind at all. |
| 07:26.13 | Xuerian | Flashblock works well for that |
| 07:26.20 | Xuerian | It has a whistelist for sites you like. |
| 07:26.33 | quiescens | noscript has whitelisting as well obviously |
| 07:26.46 | Xuerian | Right, but it's annoying if you just want to block flash. A excellent addon otherwise. |
| 07:26.47 | znf | Meh, flashblock had some issues on the chrome canary builds, so I stopped using |
| 07:27.09 | quiescens | but it can be nice to block some other thingies too, sometimes its not just flash |
| 07:27.27 | Xuerian | Sure it can. But Ghostery gets most of that for me. |
| 07:27.34 | quiescens | block the silly embeds |
| 07:27.36 | znf | Anyway, gonna run in bed, watch an episode of CSI or something and hopefully fall asleep. |
| 07:27.39 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 07:27.42 | znf | And I hope I don't wake up at 9pm again! >_< |
| 07:27.42 | quiescens | and so on |
| 07:27.45 | MysticalOS | lol, prot warriors are broken for heroic ultraxion, out of a 6min 5 second berserk, i have a raid Cd up for 3 min 12 seconds of fight. /flex |
| 07:27.54 | znf | laughs at MysticalOS |
| 07:28.05 | znf | no, it's just DBM bugging |
| 07:28.05 | quiescens | maybe you can wake up at 8pm instead |
| 07:28.07 | znf | I'm telling you |
| 07:28.08 | quiescens | baby steps |
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| 08:38.53 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
| 08:42.21 | Humbedooh | o.O |
| 08:47.47 | Torhal | tags mckenziemc1 from the web interface. |
| 08:48.01 | mckenziemc1 | dies |
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| 08:58.55 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 09:00.20 | mckenziemc1 | lua> t={};t[t]=t;print(t);print(t[t[t[t[t]]]][t]) |
| 09:00.22 | lua_bot | mckenziemc1: table: 0x8431ae8, table: 0x8431ae8 |
| 09:01.30 | nevcairiel | lua> t={};t[1]=t;pp(t) |
| 09:01.30 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: { <table: #1> } (#1) |
| 09:01.40 | nevcairiel | oh that damn thing is recursion aware |
| 09:03.31 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.35 | znf | >lua t={};t[t]=t;print(t);print(t[t[t[t[t][t[t[t][t]]]][t]]]][t]) |
| 09:03.48 | quiescens | lua>1 |
| 09:03.48 | lua_bot | quiescens: 1 |
| 09:03.53 | znf | stupid bot |
| 09:03.53 | quiescens | yay |
| 09:04.08 | nevcairiel | stupid znf, cant even write lua> properly. :) |
| 09:04.16 | znf | :-( |
| 09:04.32 | znf | phone rang, woke up me, had to take a piss, going back to bed |
| 09:04.56 | quiescens | pats lua_bot |
| 09:05.19 | quiescens | bot isn't stupid o.o |
| 09:07.46 | mckenziemc1 | invites quiescens over for t. |
| 09:09.18 | quiescens | dies. |
| 09:10.21 | mckenziemc1 | decides to have quiescens for lunch, then. |
| 09:10.30 | mckenziemc1 | omnomnom |
| 09:11.11 | quiescens | dies. |
| 09:13.13 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: pp()? Recursive print? |
| 09:13.27 | nevcairiel | pretty print! |
| 09:13.38 | Xuerian | Ah |
| 09:14.08 | nevcairiel | its not default lua, just something the bot knows |
| 09:14.23 | Xuerian | closes the instance of WoW he just started... |
| 09:14.36 | quiescens | lua>pp(1) |
| 09:14.36 | lua_bot | quiescens: 1 |
| 09:14.45 | quiescens | yay |
| 09:14.52 | mitch0 | that's pretty |
| 09:15.01 | nevcairiel | its only really useful oin tables =p |
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| 09:31.32 | Humbedooh | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/12/huge-portions-of-web-vulnerable-to-hashing-denial-of-service-attack.ars |
| 09:31.50 | Humbedooh | makes one think for a second, how would Lua fare against such an attack |
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| 10:27.36 | mitch0 | check for yourself: http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/ltable.c.html |
| 10:33.53 | Humbedooh | my immediate guess would be that Lua is just as vulnerable as the rest |
| 10:34.12 | Humbedooh | but then, not a lot of people use Lua for web pages :> |
| 10:34.20 | Humbedooh | well, I do, but I'm odd anyway |
| 10:34.27 | jnwhiteh | it also requires the automatic parsing of user data into hash tables |
| 10:34.43 | jnwhiteh | I believe wowprogramming.com is likely vulnerable |
| 10:34.47 | jnwhiteh | but there's nothing to be done for it |
| 10:34.54 | jnwhiteh | there's easier ways for someone to take the site down if they wish |
| 10:34.55 | Humbedooh | yeah, it's more a question of the implementation of the http server than the language itself |
| 10:34.57 | jnwhiteh | but then everyone loses =) |
| 10:35.07 | jnwhiteh | all you have to do is not hash the params |
| 10:35.14 | jnwhiteh | store them as [1] [2] pairs and you're fine |
| 10:35.20 | Humbedooh | well an easy fix is to just limit the number of params that gets parsed |
| 10:35.27 | jnwhiteh | yeah that too |
| 10:35.47 | Humbedooh | I set a limit of 256 parameters on my own Lua script implementation |
| 10:36.04 | jnwhiteh | I'm using WSAPI, I'd have to look if I can hack mine to have a similar limitation |
| 10:36.48 | Humbedooh | I'm using my own Lua http server with a C backend that manages connection pools and threading |
| 10:38.08 | nevcairiel | tomcats parameter limit is at 10000, it only really gets bad on very high numbers =p |
| 10:38.25 | Humbedooh | so I get to do stuff like <? print("hello!") ?> |
| 10:38.35 | Humbedooh | pretty much a php ripoff :> |
| 10:38.45 | jnwhiteh | hugs sputnik |
| 10:39.48 | Humbedooh | imagines jnwhiteh must have very long arms |
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| 10:56.59 | quiescens | that isn't even news |
| 10:57.02 | quiescens | o.o |
| 10:57.20 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
| 10:57.34 | quiescens | everyone has known about hashing collision stuffs for forevar |
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| 11:29.21 | Humbedooh | quiescens, probably, but I was just interested in how Lua would handle it, that's all :> |
| 11:29.41 | quiescens | just wondering why news sites are posting it all of a sudden |
| 11:30.03 | Humbedooh | because M$ finally acknowledged it as a threat :p |
| 11:30.08 | nevcairiel | there was a talk about it on the chaos communication congress |
| 11:30.27 | nevcairiel | which started all the media attention |
| 11:32.07 | Humbedooh | launches a hashing collision at quiescens |
| 11:32.45 | quiescens | dies. |
| 11:33.07 | mckenziemc1 | collides with Humbedooh on the way to work. |
| 11:33.29 | Humbedooh | doubts that :p |
| 11:33.43 | quiescens | anymoo it probably doesn't technically automagically affect most other languages |
| 11:33.44 | Humbedooh | got hit by a car and is not very mobile atm |
| 11:34.01 | Humbedooh | no, it affects the implementations of them on servers ofc |
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| 11:34.23 | mckenziemc | stupid at&t :( |
| 11:34.26 | quiescens | its probably a little worse for php because of how it handles http param stuff by itself |
| 11:34.32 | Humbedooh | but since I was building a server with... "lhp" scripting, I was intrigued |
| 11:34.34 | quiescens | so it happens at language level |
| 11:34.50 | nevcairiel | developers are notorious for stealing implementations |
| 11:34.54 | quiescens | while most other languages will use various libraries to parse the query params |
| 11:35.05 | Humbedooh | well php stole most of their crap as well :p |
| 11:35.07 | quiescens | or might not even have to parse them |
| 11:35.11 | Humbedooh | it's like hotel towels! |
| 11:35.21 | nevcairiel | and using a hash table for key-value pairs like request parameters just comes naturally =p |
| 11:35.25 | quiescens | or will only parse the params as they are retrieved |
| 11:36.03 | Humbedooh | or requested o.O |
| 11:37.15 | Humbedooh | anyway, you're dead, so you can't talk! |
| 11:37.35 | quiescens | ): |
| 11:39.00 | Humbedooh | casts revivification on quiescens! |
| 11:39.16 | quiescens | dies. |
| 11:39.38 | mckenziemc | waters quiescens |
| 11:40.03 | Humbedooh | meh, now I gotta water my plants |
| 11:40.08 | Humbedooh | :( |
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| 13:15.31 | Mikk | jnwhiteh / Humbedooh: a public-facing hash _should_ use unique hashes to avoid attacks like that |
| 13:15.59 | Mikk | for a prime based hash it could be as simple as picking a random prime |
| 13:16.43 | Mikk | i see why Lua doesn't though; it's not exactly designed to be public-facing |
| 13:17.36 | Mikk | having said that, Lua could certainly benefit from detecting non-intentional over-collisions and rehashing |
| 13:18.54 | Mikk | (i don't mean rehashing when hashtable fillage is e.g. >50%. i mean rehashing when too many things end up in the same bucket.) |
| 13:21.47 | Mikk | oh yuck. Lua's table implementation doesn't use buckets. |
| 13:21.57 | Mikk | it uses "put it in the next free slot" |
| 13:22.00 | Mikk | horrible idea |
| 13:22.05 | Mikk | mathematicians love it for some reason |
| 13:22.06 | Mikk | but it's horrible |
| 13:22.48 | Mikk | much better to use buckets that can contain several nodes for all sorts of reasons |
| 13:23.27 | Mikk | like oh being able to delete without traversing all neighbors and checking their hash values to see if they should be moved up or not |
| 13:24.31 | Mikk | also wtf @ using modulus noneven numbers instead of multiplying with something and using high bits |
| 13:24.36 | Mikk | this is C =( |
| 13:25.41 | Mikk | %2049 <- hai eat CPU time |
| 13:26.11 | Mikk | * 0x9E3779B9 << 9 <- smart |
| 13:26.49 | Mikk | and to top it off, 2^n+1 isn't even a very good modulus to begin with |
| 13:27.38 | Mikk | fine, i'm the only one in the channel that gives a shit about hash performance. i shall shut up now. |
| 13:27.44 | [Ammo] | I love it when you talk dirty mikk |
| 13:27.52 | Mikk | haha |
| 13:27.56 | mckenziemc | write a better implementation and submit it |
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| 13:28.22 | Mikk | cba, it won't make it into WoW :P |
| 13:28.37 | mckenziemc | what about titan |
| 13:28.56 | Mikk | tiwhut |
| 13:29.28 | Mikk | googles and gets 87263842634 portuguese hits |
| 13:29.44 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 13:29.44 | Mikk | ... and titan panel |
| 13:30.02 | mckenziemc | blizzard's new project? |
| 13:30.04 | Mikk | oh, blizzard's upcoming thing? |
| 13:30.20 | Mikk | didn't realize it had a name :P |
| 13:30.38 | mckenziemc | not officially |
| 13:31.57 | nevcairiel | project titan is kind of a leaked working title |
| 13:32.58 | nevcairiel | but thats really all we have on it |
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| 13:37.33 | Mikk | "So is Blizzard’s new MMO going to be sci-fi, near-future, post-apocalyptic or historical? “All of those combined!” he said, laughing." |
| 13:41.03 | Humbedooh | I was the afk, mikk, but interesting read |
| 13:41.34 | Humbedooh | and yeah, Lua wasn't really made for web scripts anyways |
| 13:41.46 | Humbedooh | just some silly people like me that use it that way :> |
| 13:41.59 | Mikk | can't blame you, i love it too |
| 13:42.26 | Mikk | (though i haven't started doing web pages with it) |
| 13:42.28 | Humbedooh | well...I love Lua 5.1.. |
| 13:42.34 | Humbedooh | 5.2 is a different matter still |
| 13:42.38 | Mikk | how so |
| 13:42.51 | Humbedooh | porting the API from 5.1 to 5.2 is a mess methinks |
| 13:43.07 | Humbedooh | lua_register be gone :( |
| 13:43.25 | Mikk | sorry, i don't know the bottom api of lua |
| 13:43.35 | Humbedooh | well in 5.1 it was easy piecy |
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| 13:43.52 | Mikk | and yeah i doubt wow will see lua 5.2 whatwith all their mods to the language with tainting and stuff |
| 13:44.02 | Humbedooh | in 5.2 you have to make global tables and then set their values to each function, overridingwhatever previously held in it |
| 13:44.07 | Mikk | it's not like our favourite UI pirate is much involved with wow ui anymore |
| 13:44.12 | Humbedooh | so fx. adding functions to the string library sucks |
| 13:44.45 | Humbedooh | 5.2 would wreak havoc upon WoW for sure - and I don't think even the Lua authors consider it stable yet |
| 13:45.15 | Mikk | uh so wait |
| 13:45.25 | Humbedooh | yeah, I'll wait :p |
| 13:45.33 | Mikk | they removed the ability for C code to set global functions |
| 13:45.44 | Mikk | the sounds mildly odd |
| 13:45.51 | Humbedooh | well they didn't entirely, but it's difficult as hell now |
| 13:46.07 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.07 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.16 | Mikk | pushcfunction and setglobal gone too? |
| 13:46.50 | Humbedooh | they changed it to some uhm...lua_newlib something |
| 13:47.05 | Mikk | but surely you have to be able to push c functions to the stack |
| 13:47.07 | Mikk | and set globals |
| 13:47.09 | Humbedooh | and the setglobal or whatever it's called now overrides the global completely |
| 13:47.36 | Humbedooh | so when I try to add a function to a library, the library gets wiped of old stuff, which is just plain stupid |
| 13:48.17 | Humbedooh | in 5.1, you could just use lua_register(L,"string", newfunctions) |
| 13:48.52 | Mikk | yeah i see that they're wanting to enforce "put stuff in a table if you're a library" |
| 13:48.55 | Humbedooh | and I don't really see why they can't just port that old easy function |
| 13:49.07 | Mikk | but surely you have to be able to push a c function reference onto the stack still |
| 13:49.08 | Mikk | and set globals |
| 13:49.31 | Humbedooh | yeah, and it's likely possible, but they just made it more complex than it has to |
| 13:50.06 | Humbedooh | that combined with a horrible documentation means I'll just lay low for a while :p |
| 13:50.12 | Mikk | put #define lua_register(L,n,f) (lua_pushcfunction(L, f), lua_setglobal(L, n)) at the top of your C file :)) |
| 13:50.46 | Humbedooh | meh, I already changed back to 5.1, gonna wait a while :p but I'll try and see if that hack will work |
| 13:50.56 | Mikk | laying low with 5.2 is obviously a good idea either way |
| 13:51.03 | Mikk | since it's inhouse alpha state |
| 13:51.06 | Humbedooh | though, if it works...why would they delete it in the first place |
| 13:51.35 | Mikk | at a guess, they're being annoyed with libraries written in an ugly way and want to push for put-it-in-a-table |
| 13:52.00 | Humbedooh | nitpicking |
| 13:52.11 | Mikk | it's been known to happen ;) |
| 13:52.41 | Mikk | but in the same way it should be possible to get hold of the library table and add a value to it |
| 13:52.47 | Mikk | without using that _newlib thingy you were talking about |
| 13:53.12 | Humbedooh | yeah and I tried that, but it somehow deleted all the old functions in the library instead |
| 13:53.45 | Humbedooh | maybe I need to push the functions like regular table entries instead or something |
| 13:54.09 | Humbedooh | regardless, I'll just wait till 5.2 goes public :) |
| 13:54.25 | Humbedooh | no sense in changing if people compiling my app can't get the libraries for it |
| 13:54.40 | Mikk | nods |
| 13:54.56 | Mikk | if i had to guess, _newlib doesn't create a table |
| 13:55.03 | Mikk | but rather a userdata object with a metatable on it |
| 13:55.04 | Mikk | ? |
| 13:55.24 | Mikk | (very wild guess) |
| 13:55.42 | Humbedooh | hm, lemme check the code for that one |
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| 13:58.00 | Humbedooh | no that's done another way, with luaL_ref which works with a registry thingy of sorts instead |
| 13:59.32 | Mikk | uff okay |
| 13:59.48 | Humbedooh | usually it makes a table and then adds a userdata object to it |
| 14:00.16 | Humbedooh | gets confused just looking at his own code :< |
| 14:00.30 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:00.38 | Humbedooh | ah ye, here it is |
| 14:01.24 | Humbedooh | it makes a table and then uses lua_pushlightdata(L, whatever) as a reference |
| 14:01.47 | Humbedooh | and then adds functions as...functions to a regular table |
| 14:06.08 | Humbedooh | haha, http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/ltable.c.html still has the deprecated functions listed |
| 14:06.14 | Humbedooh | err no |
| 14:06.22 | Humbedooh | that was supposed to say 5.2 |
| 14:06.39 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 14:06.41 | Humbedooh | ah, copy-paste doesn't work via vnc ofc |
| 14:06.55 | Humbedooh | anywho, the 5.2 API docs have lua_register listed still |
| 14:07.19 | Humbedooh | it's just not in the header files |
| 14:08.36 | Humbedooh | aaaanymoo, me <3 Lua 5.1, damn easy to make libraries if you know how to handle a stack |
| 14:08.58 | Humbedooh | (except for multithreading, which is still a joke) |
| 14:09.34 | Humbedooh | instead, you gotta make a pool of say.. 20 or so Lua states and then a mutex to control who gets who :( |
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| 14:15.22 | nevcairiel | its a single threaded language =p |
| 14:17.51 | Mikk | indeed. make more lua states if you want it different. |
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| 14:18.31 | quiescens | moo |
| 14:19.10 | quiescens | shrugs |
| 14:20.11 | quiescens | there are a number of possibilities to help deal with that stuff |
| 14:20.24 | quiescens | various performance costs |
| 14:24.20 | Humbedooh | it does have multithread support, nev |
| 14:24.26 | Humbedooh | although it worked like shit |
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| 14:31.10 | Humbedooh | quiescens, it depends on what you do with your "threads" I suppose |
| 14:32.11 | Humbedooh | I mostly use it for various milters, so just having multiple states works fine |
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| 15:28.08 | Mikk | lua? multithread support? |
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| 15:32.45 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: what are called 'threads' in the terminology are coroutines, they aren't threads in the traditional meaning of the word |
| 15:32.45 | jnwhiteh | its stupidly confusing and I wish they'd change it |
| 15:33.20 | Humbedooh | they did some experimenting with coroutines acting as threads, but whenever I tried it, it just bugged out |
| 15:34.04 | Humbedooh | but it's really been ages since I read about their proposal, so I can't remember a darn thing about it |
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| 16:40.20 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 17:12.36 | znf | So, I have a guildie that cries about HealBot. She says that she constantly needs to reset it because people dissapear from the list. |
| 17:12.43 | znf | I've never used HealBot myself, so WTH is that about? |
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| 17:13.34 | Ackis | tell her to stop sucking |
| 17:14.12 | znf | I'm not a fan of it, so I'm wondering why the fuck would an addon need a "reset" function. |
| 17:17.52 | Yoshimo | My combo of grid+clique never failed me so far |
| 17:18.37 | quiescens | i used grid and macros |
| 17:18.40 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:18.50 | znf | That's what I'm trying to teach her, but meh, women... |
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| 19:54.46 | JerichoHM | When are the item links actually available. My addon currently has an issue where it may not load some item links that it collects data from when it first loads, but it's update will collect this data. The on load runs at PEW |
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| 20:12.26 | Xuerian | Oh blah. Did something while setting up the lib project no curse now the repo url has a different slug D:. How do I change a project's slug, anyway? |
| 20:13.32 | JerichoHM | would tonumber(FF00FF00) return the decimal value needed to use %x in string.format? |
| 20:13.53 | Xuerian | lu> tonumber(FF00FF00) |
| 20:13.55 | Xuerian | ff |
| 20:14.04 | Xuerian | lua> tonumber(FF00FF00) |
| 20:14.05 | lua_bot | Xuerian: nil |
| 20:14.10 | Xuerian | I'd go with no. |
| 20:14.14 | Xuerian | D; |
| 20:14.17 | Xuerian | wait! |
| 20:14.20 | Xuerian | takes his derp hat off. |
| 20:14.22 | JerichoHM | o.O |
| 20:14.24 | JerichoHM | lol |
| 20:14.29 | Xuerian | lua> pp(tonumber(FF00FF00) |
| 20:14.29 | lua_bot | Xuerian: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 20:14.34 | Xuerian | fuck the game. |
| 20:14.45 | Xuerian | I'M GOING BACK TO WATCHING TRON NOW |
| 20:14.56 | JerichoHM | lu> pp(tonumber(FF00FF00)) |
| 20:15.01 | Xuerian | HAH |
| 20:15.16 | JerichoHM | lol |
| 20:15.21 | JerichoHM | lua> pp(tonumber(FF00FF00)) |
| 20:15.22 | lua_bot | JerichoHM: nil |
| 20:15.25 | JerichoHM | hrm |
| 20:15.35 | JerichoHM | thanks for showing me that Xuerian |
| 20:15.43 | JerichoHM | now to find my answer |
| 20:15.44 | Xuerian | JerichoHM: It's nevcairiel's baby |
| 20:15.45 | Xuerian | I think |
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| 20:16.30 | JerichoHM | just need to find the hex->dec conversion lawl! I shouldn't have to create my own -.- |
| 20:17.11 | Xuerian | lua> pp(tonumber(0xFF00FF00)) |
| 20:17.11 | lua_bot | Xuerian: 4278255360 |
| 20:17.27 | JerichoHM | lua> hex(FF00FF00) |
| 20:17.27 | lua_bot | JerichoHM: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'hex' (a nil value) |
| 20:17.34 | JerichoHM | lua> Hex(FF00FF00) |
| 20:17.34 | lua_bot | JerichoHM: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'Hex' (a nil value) |
| 20:17.37 | JerichoHM | hrm |
| 20:17.49 | Xuerian | Wait, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:17.54 | JerichoHM | takes of Xinhuan's Derp hat |
| 20:18.00 | JerichoHM | lua> Hex('FF00FF00') |
| 20:18.00 | lua_bot | JerichoHM: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'Hex' (a nil value) |
| 20:18.02 | JerichoHM | nope |
| 20:18.02 | MysticalOS | find the number value of the hex i'm guessing |
| 20:18.05 | JerichoHM | yea |
| 20:18.15 | Xuerian | Didn't I just do that? >_> |
| 20:18.40 | JerichoHM | hrm |
| 20:18.45 | JerichoHM | i'll try |
| 20:18.51 | MysticalOS | [15:17] <lua_bot> Xuerian: 4278255360 |
| 20:19.44 | Xuerian | "find the number value of the hex" seeing as the hex value is a number I assume you mean hex > dec which I'm guessing that is, because I've never actually bothered with hex. |
| 20:20.20 | JerichoHM | pp not in wow |
| 20:20.23 | Xuerian | lua> ('%f'):format(0xFF00FF00) |
| 20:20.24 | lua_bot | Xuerian: 4278255360.000000 |
| 20:20.39 | Xuerian | pp = pretty print = print, more or less |
| 20:20.49 | JerichoHM | lua> tonumber(0xFF00FF00) |
| 20:20.49 | lua_bot | JerichoHM: 4278255360 |
| 20:20.53 | JerichoHM | that works though :) |
| 20:21.17 | JerichoHM | see if it works in wow lawl |
| 20:21.53 | JerichoHM | i had 28 lines of code with static colors in SetFormattedText and wanted that to be more easily altered |
| 20:22.13 | JerichoHM | and it works |
| 20:23.07 | JerichoHM | thanks for the help Xuerian and MysticalOS |
| 20:24.18 | Xuerian | Well, at least I can fix someone's problems |
| 20:25.33 | JerichoHM | :) I was a big boy and didn't bug you all with the missing enchant module I just wrote for iLvLr lol |
| 20:25.43 | JerichoHM | took me 12 hours to get it working right |
| 20:26.36 | Xuerian | As the guy I ask problems says, better to ask than to be too proud or reluctant to. |
| 20:26.44 | Xuerian | And I agree, so long as you learn from the answers D: |
| 20:26.55 | Xuerian | And yes I ask problems |
| 20:26.57 | Xuerian | ff |
| 20:27.03 | JerichoHM | Well I did the inital ask a few days back and went from their |
| 20:27.03 | Xuerian | Didn't I say I was going to watch tron or something |
| 20:27.13 | JerichoHM | and learning string parsing was... entertaining |
| 20:45.39 | Humbedooh | JerichoHM, I just start with hue, luminosity and saturation and rotate the hue |
| 20:46.46 | JerichoHM | Humbedooh: I'm guessing you alter colors from an options panel.. my addon doesn't have a config at this time |
| 20:46.49 | Humbedooh | and then makeColors(n) to return a table with n colors |
| 20:47.07 | Humbedooh | JerichoHM, no it's strictly coded, I don't do WoW mods anymore :) |
| 20:47.17 | Humbedooh | it's for an SVG library for drawing pie charts |
| 20:47.30 | JerichoHM | ahh :) |
| 20:47.52 | JerichoHM | I only learned Lua for WoW, but I am looking into implementing it into Java projects |
| 20:48.06 | Humbedooh | Lua into Java? :> |
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| 20:48.52 | JerichoHM | well the scripting |
| 20:51.06 | Humbedooh | have you tried Kahlua? |
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| 20:51.12 | JerichoHM | nope |
| 20:51.47 | Humbedooh | it's supposedly a java port of Lua |
| 20:52.09 | JerichoHM | looking at the site now |
| 20:52.22 | JerichoHM | damn guildies take advantage of me when i'm coding to do lowbie dungeon runs lol |
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| 20:55.01 | Humbedooh | http://pastebin.com/Ra5nmup9 |
| 20:56.03 | Humbedooh | that's my color function |
| 20:56.06 | Xuerian | Any curse staff around? Need to change the slug on a project |
| 20:56.24 | Humbedooh | bug torhal! |
| 20:56.45 | Xuerian | Torhal: *bugs* |
| 20:58.13 | znf | bugs Xuerian to move to wowace |
| 20:58.37 | Xuerian | Doesn't use Ace, though. And it's the same backend :p |
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| 20:59.06 | Humbedooh | wowace is just cooler |
| 20:59.32 | Xuerian | The same thing with a cooler color scheme, I'll give you that much |
| 21:03.04 | JerichoHM | hrm... item links don't seem to have type |
| 21:05.37 | Xuerian | They're just strings |
| 21:05.46 | Xuerian | You have to parse them yourself, more or less |
| 21:09.16 | JerichoHM | Yeah i know that, but like... type Bow or Type Gun isn't there |
| 21:09.25 | JerichoHM | back to looking for that lol |
| 21:09.34 | JerichoHM | probably returned in GetItemInfo |
| 21:09.50 | Xuerian | Yeah. |
| 21:10.08 | JerichoHM | class, subclass <-- Guessing ;) |
| 21:10.23 | Xuerian | Yep. |
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| 21:21.12 | znf | http://milk.cow.org/bestbuy.html |
| 21:21.13 | znf | read comment =)) |
| 21:25.51 | JerichoHM | i lol'd |
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| 21:49.14 | JerichoHM | hrm... Belt Buckles don't count as an enchant... I suppose I will have to compare the original item to the equipped item to determine if the belt buckle, and BS sockets are applied |
| 21:50.16 | Kainore | Hey i was wondering if anyone could tell me why i cant Register an event ? |
| 21:50.36 | JerichoHM | code? |
| 21:50.43 | Kainore | Kainore = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("Kainore", "AceEvent-3.0") |
| 21:50.45 | Kainore | Kainore:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD", "MyEventhandler") |
| 21:50.47 | Kainore | function Kainore:MyEventhandler() |
| 21:50.49 | Kainore | Kainore:Print("Test") |
| 21:50.51 | Kainore | end |
| 21:54.00 | JerichoHM | question 1: you have a toc correct? |
| 21:54.38 | Kainore | Yes link with an xml file and an Lua file |
| 21:55.17 | JerichoHM | :\ I don't really use Ace3 stuff much so I don't know what (if anything) would be special at this point |
| 21:56.37 | Kainore | thats okay =) got it to work without ace just that i dont really fine that many getting started guide |
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| 21:56.50 | JerichoHM | i think i see it one sec |
| 21:57.14 | Kainore | i can tell you the Lua error message from wow if it helps =) |
| 21:58.27 | JerichoHM | http://www.wowace.com/paste/4483/ |
| 21:58.33 | JerichoHM | try that change |
| 21:59.30 | Kainore | trying |
| 22:00.02 | Kainore | Nope it still pomp and error saying Not found on self |
| 22:00.13 | JerichoHM | what line |
| 22:00.22 | Kainore | 3 |
| 22:00.31 | Kainore | RegisterEvent part |
| 22:00.54 | JerichoHM | you have all your libs done right? |
| 22:02.15 | Kainore | nah you said but i have included AceAddon-3.0 AceConsole-3.0 and AceEvent-3.0 |
| 22:05.42 | Kainore | lol after a copy paste from your link it works but nothing did really change |
| 22:06.25 | JerichoHM | coulda been a typo or something I did |
| 22:06.46 | JerichoHM | compared to yours like... I think I left out the e at the end of Kainore |
| 22:06.58 | JerichoHM | :\ nope i didn't lol |
| 22:07.14 | Kainore | xD |
| 22:07.17 | Kainore | wirde error |
| 22:08.26 | JerichoHM | So that Ace3 past worked then? |
| 22:08.32 | JerichoHM | paste* |
| 22:09.22 | Kainore | yea just typed something wrong that you did type right and now im trying to find it |
| 22:10.34 | Xuerian | Nyeaa, set up repositories xuerian, it only took me 5 minutes! It'll be easier, xuerian! |
| 22:10.52 | Xuerian | ffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuss RO DAH that shit. |
| 22:11.30 | JerichoHM | Xuerian: Once they are setup it is :) once I got Skill Helper on SVN I got addicted |
| 22:11.34 | Kainore | typed my handler wrong :P |
| 22:11.37 | JerichoHM | iLvLr was born on it |
| 22:11.45 | JerichoHM | Kainore: ol |
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| 22:11.52 | Xuerian | JerichoHM: That's until your svn client stops making nice with the server |
| 22:12.03 | Kainore | case sensative |
| 22:12.21 | mckenziemc | spelling sensitive too |
| 22:12.32 | JerichoHM | Xuerian: lol... what I really need to do is get my Curseforge repository and WoWinterface repositories to auto sync |
| 22:12.44 | JerichoHM | Kainore: yes very very case sensitive |
| 22:13.05 | Xuerian | JerichoHM: Couldn't you technically have them package from a external at github or something? |
| 22:13.10 | Kainore | I normaly program website and have allso programmed in Java but lua... fuck no xD |
| 22:13.11 | Xuerian | or some svn hosting place I suppose |
| 22:13.22 | Xuerian | Kainore: Once you get used to it you'll prefer it |
| 22:14.05 | JerichoHM | Xuerian: psure i can point WoWI to my Curse one |
| 22:14.28 | JerichoHM | Kainore: I'm a code junkie and I'll admit... Lua is probably one of my fav's so far! |
| 22:14.31 | Xuerian | That's like getting two angry male cats to have sex |
| 22:15.46 | JerichoHM | haha |
| 22:16.27 | JerichoHM | Ugh.. the enchanter special case detection didn't work -.- |
| 22:18.26 | JerichoHM | Still not sure how a simple addon to show ilvl without mousing over each piece turned into this thing i'm building now |
| 22:26.40 | Mikk | show ilvl of what? |
| 22:26.47 | Mikk | in tooltips? |
| 22:26.56 | Mikk | blizzard ui does that if you turn it on =) |
| 22:46.08 | Yoshimo | can you correct a typo in an svn commit after you commited it to the wowace repository? |
| 22:50.41 | ThiefMaster | unless they explicitely enabled it on the server no |
| 22:52.15 | nevcairiel | try it, it might not be blocked |
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| 23:07.19 | Yoshimo | Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges, does not work |
| 23:10.39 | Mikk | could have sworn i used to do it in the past |
| 23:10.44 | Mikk | but maybe that's pre-curse past |
| 23:12.38 | Yoshimo | you can edit the packed file description for your projects as far as i know |
| 23:13.20 | Xuerian | Is there a wiki page on standard library structure? |
| 23:13.41 | Yoshimo | i get "ask the administrator to create a pre-revprop-change hooK" ;) |
| 23:14.12 | Mikk | Xuerian: dont think so, ask and ye shall know |
| 23:16.03 | Xuerian | Mikk: Well, in the process of exorcising demons I created more, so.. the standard structure is trunk\libname.toc -> trunk\libname\lib.xml, trunk\libname\libname.lua [...], yeah? Do I usually need to much with embedding libstub in the lib or is it implied that if disembedded the embedding addon will require libstub in the first place? |
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| 23:16.22 | Xuerian | much*muck |
| 23:16.30 | Mikk | You should add libstub to the root level |
| 23:16.49 | Mikk | Addons embed your subdirectory and thus avoid pulling libstub twice |
| 23:16.49 | Xuerian | Mikk: There a good example lib I can peek at the repository of? |
| 23:17.36 | Mikk | LibSink-2.0 |
| 23:18.06 | Xuerian | tabs back into the tsvn browse of libstub =| |
| 23:18.10 | Xuerian | er. |
| 23:18.11 | Xuerian | sink. |
| 23:18.18 | Xuerian | Hell, why can't I english today |
| 23:18.25 | Mikk | See, the thing is, if there is an addon that HardDeps on a lib |
| 23:18.33 | Mikk | LibStub won't be loaded yet |
| 23:18.34 | JerichoHM | Mikk: sry was afk... I know th ilvl shows in tooltip. I show it next to each item in the character frame. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20637-iLvLr.html I'll be polite and see you the wowi link lol |
| 23:18.42 | JerichoHM | there are other features obv |
| 23:18.57 | Xuerian | Mikk: Oogh, who would hardep on a lib :( |
| 23:18.58 | Mikk | So the standalone version of the library needs to include LibStub |
| 23:19.07 | Xuerian | harddep, even. english, how does it work. |
| 23:19.27 | Mikk | its oaky i raed fluetn tyop |
| 23:19.30 | JerichoHM | Xuerian: I most certainly read Herpaderp |
| 23:19.40 | Xuerian | Well, at least I'm in good company |
| 23:19.57 | Madkinder | Hi there. Xinhuan, Grum are you guys online? |
| 23:20.09 | Xuerian | Wow, someone pinged him correctly. |
| 23:20.11 | Xuerian | Holy poop. |
| 23:20.18 | Xuerian | No wait, it's me they screw up |
| 23:20.19 | Xuerian | Nevermind. |
| 23:20.23 | Mikk | ^^ |
| 23:20.34 | Mikk | yeah and i get pinged half the time fisker wants to terrorize mikma |
| 23:20.45 | Xuerian | lol |
| 23:20.46 | Mikk | onoes i summoned the demons |
| 23:20.58 | Mikk | ANYWAY =) |
| 23:21.34 | Mikk | MyLib-1.0\MyLib-1.0.toc |
| 23:21.34 | Mikk | MyLib-1.0\MyLib-1.0\lib.xml |
| 23:21.34 | Mikk | MyLib-1.0\LibStub\LibStub.lua |
| 23:21.58 | Xuerian | Don't need to bother with embeds.xml? |
| 23:21.59 | Mikk | Embedders should be pulling in the subfolder |
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| 23:22.05 | Mikk | dont need to bother with embeds.xml no |
| 23:22.36 | Xuerian | deletes the empty file for a third time. |
| 23:22.51 | Xuerian | All these new embedding practices on my lawn :( |
| 23:23.13 | Mikk | just put LibStub\LibStub.lua in your toc |
| 23:23.25 | Mikk | and disable "-nolib" creation for your lib |
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| 23:26.22 | Mikk | (or you'll get libraries created without libstub in them, which as i mentioned before, is bad) |
| 23:27.23 | nevcairiel | thats why we just hard-copy libstub =p |
| 23:31.12 | Xuerian | So I actually put libstub in the lib repo, then, not pull it through pkgmeta? |
| 23:31.41 | nevcairiel | if you disable nolib, its fine either way |
| 23:33.11 | Mikk | "just disable nolib creation on your library" is the Right Answer(tm) |
| 23:36.59 | Xuerian | Well, now here's the question. What's the line in the addon pkgmeta then? I haven't seen a git embed other than the "libbanana" example on the cf pkgmeta page. |
| 23:37.12 | Xuerian | assuming git url is git://git.curseforge.net/wow/libxtools/mainline.git |
| 23:40.30 | nevcairiel | same as with svn |
| 23:40.43 | nevcairiel | just put the path after it |
| 23:40.51 | nevcairiel | its not valid git syntax, but the packager can figure it out |
| 23:40.54 | znf | I really need to ask this. |
| 23:41.15 | znf | Why the f* do people feel the need to see their portraits in the unit frames? |
| 23:41.46 | Xuerian | No idea. I thought it was cool when I used Purl during AQ's release. Then it got old. Tried it again when I made my oUF layout, ditched it promptly =| |
| 23:42.14 | Xuerian | No, pitbull layout. oUF one never had it. My bad. |
| 23:42.30 | znf | I see absolutely no utility for them |
| 23:42.40 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: I figured it might be that simple, but it really didn't seem valid D: |
| 23:45.05 | znf | who the hell still mantains x-perl |
| 23:45.22 | Xuerian | isn't it pretty much the oldest UF out there? |
| 23:46.05 | Stanzilla | MysticalOS does! |
| 23:47.19 | znf | does MysticalOS have a fetish for duct taping addons to keep them working? |
| 23:47.27 | Yoshimo | i dont regret switching to shadowed unitframes, but he is stubborn^^ |
| 23:47.38 | znf | Yeah, like half my guild is, too |
| 23:47.44 | Xuerian | znf: I think that requires a bit more than duct tape |
| 23:47.46 | Yoshimo | znf , there are more people with duct tape out there... |
| 23:48.07 | Xuerian | If it was a normal addon I'd go with the magic tape. Unitframes.. Good lord the changes they've been through in that span of time |
| 23:48.27 | znf | Well, more duct-taping. |
| 23:48.43 | Xuerian | If the russian is to be believed, he might have also used a wrench. |
| 23:48.55 | znf | It's like every other user frames advanced, but this remained still in it's old dusty place. |
| 23:49.50 | Yoshimo | there was one other that i loved back then until it didnt get update anymore, just cant remember its name |
| 23:50.54 | znf | The big issue is that X-Perl had such a hard learning curve to learn to configure it properly (to your own liking), that to every old fart out there configuring a newer unit frames addon seems like nightmare. |
| 23:52.17 | znf | I think MysticalOS is some kind of addon-necromancer |
| 23:52.24 | znf | He keeps bringing stuff back to life :P |
| 23:53.56 | MysticalOS | bringing something back would imply it died first. Fixing something that's barely drawing breath but not dead yet is diff :P |
| 23:54.14 | znf | Unplug it! |
| 23:54.31 | znf | I have reached the conclusion that you're behind every addon project I want dead :-/ |
| 23:54.36 | Xuerian | D: |
| 23:55.32 | MysticalOS | even i recommend people against xperl. I just do the bare minimum to keep it running for zek |
| 23:55.44 | MysticalOS | fixes that take 5 min |
| 23:55.56 | znf | quotes MysticalOS |
| 23:56.10 | MysticalOS | xperl is buggy as hell |
| 23:56.18 | MysticalOS | that's no secret |
| 23:56.30 | MysticalOS | it's filled with tons of depricated and terrible code |
| 23:56.44 | MysticalOS | stuff no one wants to fix :) |
| 23:58.30 | znf | My god. I want to shoot the web programmers at curse in the eye. |
| 23:58.39 | MysticalOS | lol |
| 23:58.48 | znf | Whoever made that forum on wowstead should not be allowed to touch a computer again. |
| 23:59.18 | znf | if I paste stuff with < >, works fine for 5 lines, but the 6th line gets interpreted as html tags |