| 00:03.30 | Mikk | morchok hc with 3 healers |
| 00:03.32 | Mikk | yeah good luck with that |
| 00:03.46 | Mikk | unless one is a totally overgeared holy pally |
| 00:04.01 | Mikk | that might work |
| 00:04.11 | Mikk | bloody bacon |
| 00:05.22 | Stanzilla | we do it with 3 all the time :o |
| 00:05.30 | Stanzilla | and one is a totally normal geared holy pally! |
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| 00:07.03 | Mikk | o wait i forgot something important |
| 00:07.11 | Mikk | the holy pally soaks the stomp |
| 00:07.13 | Gnarfoz | we do that with 3 healers too |
| 00:07.13 | Mikk | because he uses shields |
| 00:07.17 | Mikk | derpderp |
| 00:07.46 | Gnarfoz | 1 holy priest doing one side (warrior tank and rogue soaking) and 1 druid 1 shaman on the other, with paladin tank and warlock soaking |
| 00:07.49 | Stanzilla | we soak with shadowpriest and warrior |
| 00:07.59 | Gnarfoz | so... you can pretty much make any setup work |
| 00:08.08 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 00:08.11 | Stanzilla | not very hard |
| 00:08.22 | Megalon | that's what she said :( |
| 00:08.30 | Mikk | holy priest solo healing 1 side is pretty damn impressive if you ask me |
| 00:08.31 | Gnarfoz | (our raid pool basically means we never have any setup advantage, our setup always sucks :D) |
| 00:08.31 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: are you on 6/8 already now? |
| 00:08.39 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: lulz still 1/8 |
| 00:08.42 | Stanzilla | wth? |
| 00:08.51 | Gnarfoz | gnawing on zon'ozz :) |
| 00:09.03 | Mikk | killed yohrsaj as 2nd |
| 00:09.05 | Gnarfoz | had our first try today in which we reached berserk, finally |
| 00:09.07 | Stanzilla | today was my first serious 10m raid day |
| 00:09.08 | Mikk | interesting healing exercise |
| 00:09.11 | Stanzilla | and it was sooo fucking easy |
| 00:09.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that would have probably been a better choice :) |
| 00:09.22 | Mikk | depends on what tanks and healers you have |
| 00:09.29 | Mikk | if you have pally healer you can use any tank |
| 00:09.32 | Gnarfoz | yup. our setup sucks, hence, trouble |
| 00:09.34 | Mikk | if not, pretty much have to use dk tank |
| 00:09.51 | Mikk | unless your dpsers are fucking heroes and you can 2tank it |
| 00:09.54 | Gnarfoz | (for zon'ozz, that is, haven't tried yor'sahj yet, even though we know the theory of what to do) |
| 00:10.39 | Mikk | we ended up taking a dk alt and gearing it to 378 + level leatherworking for bracer shadowresist enchant |
| 00:10.43 | Mikk | used that for tanking |
| 00:10.54 | Stanzilla | wtf^^ |
| 00:10.54 | Mikk | dks are fine & balanced, rly |
| 00:10.54 | Mikk | >.< |
| 00:11.04 | Mikk | it selfheals for as much as the healers are outputting (each) |
| 00:11.07 | Stanzilla | still talking about zonozz, right? |
| 00:11.11 | Mikk | no, yorsahj |
| 00:11.20 | Mikk | zonozz actually has hard melee |
| 00:11.23 | Mikk | yorsahj tickles melee wise |
| 00:11.29 | Mikk | just magic damage |
| 00:11.55 | Stanzilla | damn yorsahj is missing from our logs today |
| 00:11.59 | Stanzilla | but we had 2 tanks I think |
| 00:12.02 | znf | you used shadowresist for tanking? |
| 00:12.07 | znf | @ heroic? |
| 00:12.09 | Mikk | yes |
| 00:12.32 | Stanzilla | nah, 1 |
| 00:12.37 | Mikk | 75% magic damage fight - some more resist is pretty much a no brainer vs some more stam |
| 00:13.08 | Mikk | maybe if the dk was more geared we wouldn't have been arsed but |
| 00:13.09 | Mikk | yeah |
| 00:13.19 | Mikk | had 4 days to gear it up from blues =) |
| 00:13.38 | Stanzilla | I still don't get the shadow resist gear :p |
| 00:13.43 | Stanzilla | why would you do that |
| 00:14.07 | znf | the damage is shadow...?! |
| 00:15.02 | Stanzilla | yeah but why? he should be perfectly healable |
| 00:15.44 | Mikk | shrug, it seemed like a good idea since gear was subpar |
| 00:15.59 | Mikk | and lo and behold it worked wonderfully |
| 00:16.24 | Stanzilla | all good then :P |
| 00:16.28 | Stanzilla | I just love strange ideas |
| 00:16.33 | znf | Stanzilla, less stuff to heal, I guess :D |
| 00:16.45 | Mikk | more like dont have to heal tank past 5 stacks |
| 00:16.47 | Mikk | = BOOM |
| 00:17.12 | Stanzilla | Mikk: ams and you can heal as much as you want, he won't get stacks |
| 00:17.29 | Mikk | bull. shit. |
| 00:17.36 | Stanzilla | nope, truth :D |
| 00:17.42 | Mikk | oh wait those stacks |
| 00:17.46 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 00:17.46 | Mikk | yeah havent tested that =( |
| 00:17.56 | Stanzilla | makes it super easy with a dk tank |
| 00:18.07 | Mikk | ams however does not help with the stacking dot |
| 00:18.10 | Mikk | it keeps stacking through ams |
| 00:19.10 | Mikk | anyway with that dk tanking we dont even have to worry much about 5 stacks |
| 00:19.14 | Mikk | just goes ololselfheal |
| 00:20.09 | Mikk | and then the biggest challenge of the fight turned out to be clothies pulling aggro on too many little adds before they fixate |
| 00:20.12 | Mikk | and then they go splat |
| 00:20.14 | Stanzilla | btw warrior is totally op on zonozz |
| 00:20.19 | Stanzilla | (dps, not tank though) |
| 00:20.37 | Mikk | how so? |
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| 00:21.29 | Mikk | spawn many tentacles to... kill the tentacles? ;) |
| 00:21.31 | Stanzilla | I sweeping striked the big tentacle |
| 00:21.40 | Mikk | ah we use a combat rogue there |
| 00:21.42 | Mikk | he solos it |
| 00:21.47 | Stanzilla | yeah that works too |
| 00:21.53 | Stanzilla | I ended up with 63 dps O_o |
| 00:21.56 | Stanzilla | *k |
| 00:21.57 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 00:22.01 | Mikk | hehe |
| 00:22.10 | Mikk | yeah grrrr zonozz we've just worked on it for 1.5h |
| 00:22.15 | Mikk | need to try shuffling healers around |
| 00:22.24 | Stanzilla | what's your problem? |
| 00:22.33 | Mikk | i'm restodruiding along with 2 melee running off to gank tentacles |
| 00:22.38 | Mikk | can't keep those 2 up |
| 00:22.42 | Mikk | they splat in 4s |
| 00:22.52 | Mikk | might try sticking the rsham on those 2 instead |
| 00:23.19 | Stanzilla | we only have on melee (me) and I was on the boss the whole time |
| 00:23.20 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 00:23.22 | Stanzilla | *one |
| 00:23.27 | Mikk | yeah had 3 melee in setup today |
| 00:23.29 | Stanzilla | what is it with my typing skillz today |
| 00:23.31 | Mikk | it sucked a bit |
| 00:23.54 | Mikk | unfortunately our melee are our #1 #2 #3 and #4 dpsers |
| 00:24.19 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 00:24.23 | Mikk | mage with orange stick can't beat any of them |
| 00:24.27 | Mikk | bad mage with orange stick |
| 00:24.58 | Stanzilla | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-dm4oxd7w0t7xfab7/sum/damageDone/?s=3247&e=3576 |
| 00:25.04 | Stanzilla | orange sticks tried hard |
| 00:25.43 | Mikk | yeah well sweeping strikes with 2 targets will do lots of numbarz |
| 00:25.49 | Mikk | no 2 ways about that :) |
| 00:25.55 | Stanzilla | and I just noticed that I forgot to sunder in that kill |
| 00:26.27 | Mikk | shurly you have it glyphed to apply on CS |
| 00:26.34 | Stanzilla | nope, not yet :p |
| 00:26.38 | Stanzilla | but I wanted to do that |
| 00:26.39 | Mikk | head |
| 00:26.40 | Mikk | desk |
| 00:26.47 | Stanzilla | first raid day in a 10m, ok! |
| 00:26.50 | Mikk | okok :P |
| 00:26.51 | Stanzilla | never had to do that! |
| 00:27.13 | Stanzilla | well that's not true :o |
| 00:27.14 | Mikk | so.. what..25m raiding died thanks to swtor? |
| 00:27.35 | Mikk | our guild has been 25 since dawn of 25m raiding.. until this xma |
| 00:27.38 | Stanzilla | the warrior is my alt, and my old alt raid always had warrior tanks |
| 00:27.40 | Mikk | bam, 8 people taking off |
| 00:28.04 | Mikk | ohai 10man raiding |
| 00:28.09 | Stanzilla | well I left my 25m guild because some of them are stupid dicks |
| 00:28.15 | Mikk | ah :P |
| 00:28.28 | Stanzilla | and I got bored of wow anyway, so it was either quitting or casual 10m raiding |
| 00:28.51 | Mikk | finds that minimum age of 20 helps somewhat with dicks |
| 00:29.00 | Stanzilla | we had that |
| 00:29.10 | Stanzilla | raidleader dick is 24 or so |
| 00:29.14 | Mikk | though i'm seriously considering making it 23 for brits |
| 00:29.17 | Stanzilla | 12 in the head |
| 00:29.20 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 00:31.13 | Mikk | -> bad anime -> bed |
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| 00:46.04 | Xuerian | So I want to start a priest somewhere. Realm/faction suggestions? |
| 00:46.25 | mckenziemc | region? |
| 00:46.37 | Xuerian | US, pref est. |
| 00:48.31 | mckenziemc | i'm rerolling with some new friends on draka, central time, sever's in LA datacenter |
| 00:48.34 | mckenziemc | server |
| 00:49.56 | znf | heh, weirdos with different time-zone servers P |
| 00:50.24 | Xuerian | Well I found out my main server is a EST in the AZ datacenter... wtf |
| 00:50.24 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 00:50.40 | Gnarfoz | stan, mikk: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/9zym25cfs6a62fpv/?s=7126&e=7504 best try @ zon'ozz, yet (the first one ever to reach berserk, was like 3,3M HP left, I think, ~4,5%-ish)... |
| 00:50.45 | mckenziemc | my old server's EST in LA datacenter |
| 00:51.00 | Gnarfoz | also Mikk: morchok 10 hc with 3 healers: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/9zym25cfs6a62fpv/sum/healingDone/?s=1740&e=2026 ^^ |
| 00:51.37 | Xuerian | Huh. I guess Dranei release bumped Warlock down to least played class |
| 00:52.09 | mckenziemc | forgot to say i'm on alliance side |
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| 00:54.27 | Gnarfoz | zon'ozz difficulty scales with number of melees, imho :D |
| 00:55.02 | Gnarfoz | basically you want one for the claw (rogue or warrior), the rest would optimally be ranged |
| 00:56.42 | Stanzilla | yes |
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| 00:57.13 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: what's that, 7/6/7/6? |
| 00:57.22 | Gnarfoz | the buffs/debuffs lie like whores |
| 00:57.32 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 00:57.44 | Gnarfoz | not paying much attention, heh |
| 00:57.53 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 00:58.56 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: 7/5/5 zerg it down |
| 00:59.08 | Stanzilla | */5 |
| 00:59.19 | Gnarfoz | cooldowns don't line up for dark phases then |
| 00:59.21 | Gnarfoz | and we die |
| 00:59.25 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 00:59.36 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 00:59.50 | Gnarfoz | I guess we hero'd a bit late |
| 01:00.03 | Gnarfoz | not sure if we can afford 7/5/7/3 |
| 01:00.13 | Gnarfoz | but perhaps worth it |
| 01:00.54 | Gnarfoz | herois was... certainly not the full 40s before berserk |
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| 01:01.08 | Gnarfoz | *heroism |
| 01:01.12 | znf | heroism, heh |
| 01:01.16 | znf | I still laugh on that |
| 01:01.17 | znf | :P |
| 01:01.27 | znf | heroism = the pussy version of Bloodlust |
| 01:01.28 | Gnarfoz | it actually was Time Warp |
| 01:01.34 | Stanzilla | man |
| 01:01.35 | Gnarfoz | that's a bit more awesome than bloodlust |
| 01:01.36 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 01:01.41 | Stanzilla | i still have to get used to "KAMPFRAUSCH JETZT" |
| 01:01.46 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 01:01.48 | Stanzilla | confused the shit out of me |
| 01:01.50 | Stanzilla | wwwat |
| 01:01.50 | znf | wut? |
| 01:01.52 | Stanzilla | oh ok haste |
| 01:01.55 | znf | why the hell do you play on DE? |
| 01:01.59 | Stanzilla | I dont |
| 01:02.08 | Stanzilla | other people do |
| 01:02.09 | Gnarfoz | poor fellas |
| 01:02.09 | znf | ah |
| 01:02.17 | Gnarfoz | it's just "hero!" |
| 01:02.26 | Gnarfoz | (and no, it's not pronounced like the english word :P) |
| 01:02.33 | Gnarfoz | or better yet: "HT" |
| 01:02.36 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 01:02.47 | Gnarfoz | so Stan... Sony Alpha Nex 5N |
| 01:03.12 | Gnarfoz | or... 2 http://geizhals.de/665211 |
| 01:03.23 | Stanzilla | I like dell |
| 01:03.23 | znf | HT lol |
| 01:03.50 | Gnarfoz | also amigod: ST:TNG on Blu-Ray this year |
| 01:03.53 | Gnarfoz | I thought it would never happen because of the technical problems it has |
| 01:04.01 | Stanzilla | I don't know much about cameras |
| 01:04.04 | Stanzilla | if that's the Sony Alpha Nex 5N you mean |
| 01:04.10 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it is |
| 01:04.22 | Gnarfoz | http://geizhals.de/675269 |
| 01:04.32 | Gnarfoz | (+lens) |
| 01:04.54 | Gnarfoz | LCDs would probably be money better spent for me |
| 01:04.54 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 01:05.13 | Gnarfoz | it's not like I go outside taking pictures of stuff... I don't go outside |
| 01:05.15 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 01:05.35 | Stanzilla | yeah, the dell brothers then :p |
| 01:05.57 | znf | <Gnarfoz> it's not like I go outside taking pictures of stuff... I don't go outside |
| 01:06.03 | znf | #1 reason I didn't buy a DSLR |
| 01:06.10 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 01:06.32 | Gnarfoz | shame I spent about 1.2 LCDs worth of money on le car today |
| 01:06.45 | Gnarfoz | 150 Mm inspection stuff |
| 01:06.48 | znf | ouch |
| 01:07.08 | Gnarfoz | (it's about the regular amount that costs, still... fuck cars, upkeep is murder) |
| 01:07.24 | Xuerian | rubs lovingly against his dell e-IPS. |
| 01:07.31 | Gnarfoz | which one, Xuerian? |
| 01:07.59 | Xuerian | Had two 2209WAs, now one and a U2412M |
| 01:08.01 | Gnarfoz | I should move back to Hannover (they have other people there besides millionaries, old farts, russians and combinations of those) |
| 01:08.21 | Gnarfoz | also, like 14x as many people ;p |
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| 01:53.49 | Xuerian | It's weird going back five years and armory'ing people from screenshots. Most of the ones I remember don't exist =( |
| 01:57.10 | sintAcks | D: |
| 01:58.41 | znf | Who plays SWTOR? |
| 02:03.07 | durcyn | znf: why |
| 02:04.19 | znf | nevermind, I needed some clarifications on what reverse engineering and slicing is |
| 02:06.06 | Primer | reverse engineering == DE, but you learn shit from doing it too |
| 02:06.26 | znf | I see |
| 02:06.35 | Primer | slicing is like a gathering profession |
| 02:06.35 | znf | Was just thinking of features I'd love to see in WoW from other games |
| 02:06.53 | Primer | I'd like to see some features from WoW in TOR...like, MACROS! |
| 02:07.17 | znf | I'd love the loot-area thingie |
| 02:07.22 | Primer | Especially mouseover macros for healing. It's so fucking tedious having to switch targeting to heal in TOR |
| 02:07.35 | Primer | and using the focus and self modifiers is bugged |
| 02:08.01 | znf | And I'd love to see a damn "Unravel" for tailors :-/ |
| 02:08.04 | znf | in WoW |
| 02:08.18 | znf | I've had days I had more green cloth gear in my bags than actual cloth :-/ |
| 02:08.31 | Primer | DE that shit |
| 02:08.37 | znf | I'm not an enchanter... |
| 02:08.43 | znf | and I have shitloads of enchanting mats anyway |
| 02:08.49 | znf | I need cloth, not enchanting mats |
| 02:09.26 | Primer | I'm pretty close to deactivating my WoW |
| 02:09.45 | Primer | I really really REALLY do not want to play with pandas |
| 02:09.57 | znf | I don't see what the big fuss is about pandas |
| 02:10.03 | znf | I don't want to play with Draenais |
| 02:10.05 | znf | So I don't |
| 02:10.10 | znf | Neither with Blood Elfs |
| 02:10.41 | Primer | I honestly thought it was an April fool's-style joke when they announced it |
| 02:11.09 | Xuerian | I'm surprised you're surprised, really |
| 02:11.35 | Xuerian | What else would they have made a player race? |
| 02:12.24 | znf | like I said, I don't see why people are upset about Pandarens |
| 02:12.28 | znf | they were there in Warcraft 3 |
| 02:13.10 | Xuerian | I'm more surprised at the whole chinese theme and single-race-dual-faction |
| 02:13.28 | Xuerian | Which isn't really surprised, it's just relative |
| 02:14.16 | znf | Yeah, the faction thingie puzzles me, too |
| 02:14.25 | znf | But heck, I'm gonna play it anyway |
| 02:14.29 | Xuerian | I mean, if they wanted to start letting factions talk it would make sense but eh |
| 02:15.43 | Primer | yeah, so what's going to happen there? Will horde Pandaren be able to talk to alliance Pandaren? |
| 02:15.52 | Primer | Or will they just forget their native language? |
| 02:16.08 | Primer | I never played warcraft 3 |
| 02:16.33 | Primer | and I don't read mmo-champion religiously, or knew that pandas were the race scheduled for BC |
| 02:16.37 | mckenziemc | pandaren can't be /friended till 10 and after that they can't understand each other |
| 02:16.41 | Primer | so yes, I was surprised |
| 02:16.56 | Xuerian | So you choose faction at 10 or something? |
| 02:17.01 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 02:17.11 | Primer | But they can before that, and can talk to each other. MAKES PERFECT SENSE! |
| 02:18.05 | Xuerian | It makes more sense than space goats |
| 02:18.22 | Bibi | or maybe they just pick up whichever language their faction use and are smart enough to not talk their own language in front of enemies. |
| 02:18.50 | Bibi | "hey look an enemy! looks like a wonderful time to say something he could understand!" |
| 02:19.14 | Xuerian | "Hey look, it's another pandaren, indistinguishable from myself since he is also not wearing a faction tabard" |
| 02:19.19 | Xuerian | "I should probably say Hi and offer a beer" |
| 02:20.05 | Xuerian | Or, "Hey look, it's another pandaren. Better ask if he's a [horde|alli] and hope he isn't lying before I say anything!" |
| 02:21.01 | znf | hey, NPCs speaking a language that both factions can understand but they can't speak is the same thing... |
| 02:22.13 | Xuerian | TL;DR: Language split is stupid and remains a lore aberration/game mechanic. Pandas fine. |
| 02:24.41 | Xuerian | So, change of subject, what's the preferred NotTitanPanel these days |
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| 03:26.11 | Xuerian | Mikk1: You have a one after your name. |
| 03:26.31 | znf | heh |
| 03:26.40 | znf | Xinhuan, what do you mean nottitanpanel? |
| 03:27.03 | Xinhuan | i'm fairly sure i didn't chat in here for the last 3 days :P |
| 03:27.10 | znf | LDB display? |
| 03:27.20 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: HUEHUEHUE |
| 03:27.29 | Xinhuan | are you sure you meant to talk to me? |
| 03:27.39 | Xuerian | hue? |
| 03:27.40 | Xinhuan | Xuerian: HEHEHEHE |
| 03:28.09 | Xuerian | znf: Well, I didn't know titan panel was now Ace3/DataBroker |
| 03:28.20 | Xuerian | It used to be one of the monolithic standards (Or was there a older bar...) |
| 03:28.30 | Xuerian | Honestly I was just looking for Xparky. |
| 03:28.48 | Xinhuan | it has been ldb/ace3 for almost 2 years, xueren |
| 03:28.49 | znf | xparky works with chocolatebar and bazooka |
| 03:28.52 | Xinhuan | xuerian* |
| 03:28.59 | Xinhuan | or a bit longer |
| 03:29.01 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: I haven't looked at it for almost 5 years :p |
| 03:29.12 | Xuerian | znf: It works by itself attached to worldframe-top, too :D |
| 03:29.26 | znf | mhm |
| 03:29.27 | Xuerian | I meant I was looking for fuXPfu, I didn't know wobin remade it into xparky. |
| 03:29.36 | znf | wtb fuxpfu functionality |
| 03:29.44 | znf | there's like tons of addons that display XP / Rep |
| 03:30.01 | znf | but I found none that supports shift+click / click on it to send to chat! :( |
| 03:30.13 | Xuerian | Eh. I liked the look of the bar, that's it really. I honestly give less than a shit about all the other information I used to have in titan/fubar |
| 03:30.22 | Xuerian | But that was nice yeah |
| 03:30.27 | Xuerian | Useful when RAFing |
| 03:31.12 | znf | I ended up removing it |
| 03:31.41 | znf | I realised I don't really look at it :P |
| 03:31.55 | Xuerian | :p |
| 03:32.11 | Xuerian | I want to be able to see it somewhere and Dominos' bar is ugly. |
| 03:33.35 | znf | I thought the same |
| 03:33.47 | znf | realised I don't really care as long as I have text displayed with that info |
| 03:34.15 | Xuerian | Heh. I don't have anything with that info. Well, I usually put the dominos xp bar at the top auto-hide style, but eh. |
| 03:41.30 | Dark_Elf | http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/994/xpfu.jpg - my version of fuxpfu via broker |
| 03:45.00 | Dark_Elf | http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/240/xpfu2.jpg - and this one |
| 04:02.09 | Xuerian | Argh, I'm going to end up making baggins into AdiBags by the time I'm done D: |
| 04:04.51 | Dark_Elf | i hope not |
| 04:05.12 | Xuerian | Well I really like how AdiBags sets up categories and uses a single panel |
| 04:05.44 | Xuerian | But I will kill metaphorical babies if I can't have BoEs separate from my normal equipment |
| 04:05.49 | Dark_Elf | im using adibags but it keeps putting my hearthstone in junk and when i go sell the grays it moves it over and i end up selling it lol |
| 04:06.11 | Xuerian | Dark_Elf: Just make a separate category and drag it out. I put my Haunted Momento away like that |
| 04:06.34 | Dark_Elf | yes but i not sure why it even in junk when its a white item |
| 04:06.51 | Xuerian | Yeah, the junk filter is odd, and I'd like to configure the tradegoods category more if I were to stay with adibags |
| 04:08.35 | Dark_Elf | did not baggins use lpt? back in the day, that was the first addon for bags i tryed |
| 04:08.52 | Xuerian | use.. what? |
| 04:08.55 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 04:08.57 | Xuerian | yeah it does |
| 04:09.02 | Dark_Elf | library periodic table |
| 04:09.03 | Xuerian | There's also libfilter |
| 04:10.52 | Dark_Elf | gosh the junk selling addons must be popular think i seen about 10 just in the last month |
| 04:11.02 | Xuerian | Easy to make. |
| 04:11.26 | Dark_Elf | thats something i will rip out of repair addons if i see em |
| 04:11.37 | Dark_Elf | i hate auto selling stuff |
| 04:14.08 | Xuerian | I'd only do whitelist, but I haven't and doubt I ever will |
| 04:14.33 | Dark_Elf | surprise they havent come up with one that sells all grays and whites at merchant |
| 04:15.38 | Dark_Elf | i guess some have that option, but heck if gonna sell or drop the grays might as well do whites too, cause they are useless later on too |
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| 04:35.44 | Xuerian | > Make "OmniBag" in Baggins. > Import all other bags > ALL THE SECTIONS |
| 04:48.12 | Xuerian | Now if I could just make baggins only "optimize" the layout of categories in order.. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17738791/screenshots/bags.png |
| 04:48.23 | Dark_Elf | ah yes i remember why i quit using baggins now |
| 04:48.33 | Xuerian | Eh? |
| 04:49.06 | Dark_Elf | its an ace2 addon lol |
| 04:49.17 | Xuerian | It is? D: |
| 04:49.29 | Dark_Elf | thus reason i chucked it |
| 04:49.34 | Xuerian | Aw sonofa |
| 04:49.50 | Xuerian | Just when I was starting to like this bag config, too. |
| 04:49.55 | Xuerian | ~lart Dark_Elf |
| 04:49.55 | purl | judo chops Dark_Elf |
| 04:50.01 | Dark_Elf | lol |
| 04:50.10 | Dark_Elf | ace2 is broke anyways |
| 04:50.24 | Xuerian | As XLoot's author, I'm aware. >_> |
| 04:50.41 | Xuerian | continues procrastinating on rewriting away from it anyway. |
| 04:51.08 | Xuerian | Oh well. Time to do bad, bad things to Adibags |
| 04:51.21 | Dark_Elf | constant errs on AceComm-2.0-91091.lua:157: attempt to index local \"text\" (a nil value) |
| 04:51.56 | Xuerian | Less "Broken" more "Deprecated with a non-critical startup error" |
| 04:52.25 | Dark_Elf | actually baggins could be fixed quick with ace3 replacements |
| 04:52.43 | Xuerian | closes one eye and peeks at the code. |
| 04:53.30 | Xuerian | Well |
| 04:53.35 | Xuerian | The problem is, it uses Dewdrop. |
| 04:53.38 | Dark_Elf | replace fubar2plugin with broker |
| 04:53.54 | Dark_Elf | dewdrop is menu right? |
| 04:54.01 | Xuerian | Dropdown yeah |
| 04:54.10 | Dark_Elf | that can be replaced too |
| 04:54.44 | Dark_Elf | postal is good example of dropdown system |
| 04:54.49 | Xuerian | Well.. Unfortunately I think that's well above the pay grade of my Lake Giveafuck |
| 04:56.28 | Dark_Elf | and tablet replaced by qtip |
| 04:56.36 | Xuerian | AdiBags is pretty much baggins anyway, just a single panel, no tooltip scanning, and without the "CONFIGURE ALL THE THINGS" mindset |
| 04:58.33 | Xuerian | Hm. |
| 04:58.37 | Xuerian | adibags has a memory leak though. |
| 04:58.49 | Dark_Elf | it does? |
| 04:58.57 | Xuerian | toggle it rapid-fire for a bit |
| 04:59.20 | Xuerian | At least if ACP is to be believed |
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| 05:03.27 | mckenziemc | accidentally quiescens. |
| 05:04.37 | Dark_Elf | hmm that periodic table module is using 4mb |
| 05:05.37 | Dark_Elf | must be the library oh well |
| 05:05.41 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 05:05.44 | Xuerian | I think they're using the same libs |
| 05:07.24 | Xuerian | Well no |
| 05:07.51 | Xuerian | AdiBags_PT3filter and Baggins both use PT3, AdiBags doesn't use it natively |
| 05:08.52 | Dark_Elf | yeah i downloaded filter separate |
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| 05:19.16 | Dark_Elf | http://www.wowace.com/addons/baggins/repositories/ace3/ i see there is an ace3 port of baggins already |
| 05:21.27 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 05:21.40 | Xuerian | earned achievement [Son of a ..] |
| 05:22.05 | Xuerian | Hum |
| 05:22.16 | Xuerian | Without waterfall and dewdrop how are you supposed to configure it |
| 05:22.36 | Dark_Elf | ace3 config works well |
| 05:23.20 | Dark_Elf | similar to how xloot1.0 does it |
| 05:23.50 | Xuerian | mutters random cursewords at the thought of config UIs |
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| 05:25.09 | Xuerian | "Xuerian, why don't you just use Ace3? It already has profile and config UIs built in" <screams> NO. "But it would save you-" NOOOO NEVAR |
| 05:26.15 | Dark_Elf | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 this is how u do without dewdrop |
| 05:27.14 | Xuerian | I dumped the hunk of dropdowns XLoot had like hot crap |
| 05:27.29 | Xuerian | The only dropdowns in 1.0 are in XConfig for select elements =| |
| 05:27.56 | Dark_Elf | well your options screen works well |
| 05:28.57 | Xuerian | And hey, next update it won't mangle the loot frame preview the first time it's opened (since I forgot I needed to cache items before trying to use them..) |
| 05:30.06 | Dark_Elf | i think i saw some color distortion today, but that was cause i closed the loot frame that was open, not sure what other loot frame it was but it left it open and color was messed |
| 05:30.49 | Xuerian | Distortion on the normal loot frame or the preview frame? |
| 05:30.58 | Dark_Elf | normal |
| 05:31.19 | Xuerian | Hm. If it happens again let me know. |
| 05:31.31 | Dark_Elf | cause i was looting items, had full bags so got rid of something and opened it again |
| 05:33.13 | Xuerian | And also screenshot. |
| 05:33.32 | Dark_Elf | hopefully it wont happen again |
| 05:34.09 | Dark_Elf | i cant really test the addon to full cause im using trial account |
| 05:35.35 | Xuerian | Yeah, I was doing it for a while |
| 05:36.43 | Dark_Elf | i miss my paid account already |
| 05:37.26 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 05:38.09 | Xuerian | It's a lot easier to test for sure.. But the game, I want to like it. I want to find a guild and friends. Not having luck on any of it :p |
| 05:38.54 | Dark_Elf | well this new server i am on sure is trying to recruit me |
| 05:39.09 | Xuerian | All those auto-recruits eh |
| 05:39.21 | Dark_Elf | except they dont work with trial |
| 05:40.23 | Dark_Elf | i had a good guild on my paid horde account |
| 05:40.24 | Xuerian | Those work, don't they? But not the charters |
| 05:41.14 | Dark_Elf | guilds dont work at all on trial |
| 05:42.18 | Dark_Elf | worse part is cant mail items |
| 05:43.35 | Dark_Elf | i hope they release the new patch next tuesday |
| 05:43.36 | Xuerian | yeah, that's annoying. |
| 05:43.46 | Xuerian | Ugh, how do I open the repo browser without having tsvn in right click.. |
| 05:44.14 | Dark_Elf | not sure i only do addons on curseforge lol |
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| 05:44.59 | Xuerian | WoWAce IS curseforge, really :p. I mean TortiseSVN, and I turned off the right click handler in autoruns.. |
| 05:46.13 | Dark_Elf | i could not figure out all that stuff so settled for forge |
| 05:46.30 | Xuerian | You mean zip uploads, yeah. |
| 05:46.34 | Xuerian | Was doing that for a while |
| 05:47.01 | Dark_Elf | well i tryed downloading the svn proggys and that was tedious |
| 05:47.42 | Dark_Elf | anyways they both sync to curse |
| 05:49.40 | Xuerian | Git isn't that hard to get set up |
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| 05:50.10 | Dark_Elf | for the small stuff i do, dont need it |
| 05:51.10 | Xuerian | It's more convenient than zip uploads once you get it setup. |
| 05:55.12 | Dark_Elf | either my eyes are decieving me or baggins has acelocale 2 and 3 |
| 05:58.17 | Dark_Elf | such a shame it got left behind |
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| 05:59.17 | Xuerian | I distinctly saw a 3 |
| 05:59.32 | Xuerian | Going to try the Ace3 branch either way, just have to reboot and install tsvn again >_> |
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| 06:29.51 | Xuerian | Blah. Somehow I disabled the TSVN menu on right click when not clicking on a checked out folder |
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| 06:32.51 | Dark_Elf | oops |
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| 06:40.41 | Dark_Elf | looks like some fubar stuff was left in the ace branch |
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| 06:45.38 | Xuerian | There was fubar stuff? |
| 06:48.01 | Dark_Elf | in the ace3 port of baggins i mean |
| 06:49.07 | Dark_Elf | 5 lines near top of the lua |
| 06:50.13 | Dark_Elf | oh well guess backwards compatiblity dont hurt hehe |
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| 06:54.15 | Dark_Elf | on that note ima goto bed |
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| 07:03.11 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 07:17.49 | quiescens | o/ |
| 07:18.06 | Humbedooh | moo |
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| 07:20.50 | Xuerian | Well that's annoying. The PT3 filters weren't updated in the Ace3 port of baggins. |
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| 07:53.50 | Xuerian | Amazing how much nicer baggins would be with some better categories coming out of the gate |
| 07:59.15 | quiescens | i remember setting up the myriad of options in baggins |
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| 08:00.18 | quiescens | totally worth it though at least |
| 08:05.08 | Xuerian | Pretty much. Took AdiBag's idea and ran with it, along with splitting up tradeskills. now the trick is to get all the bag settings into the end bag... and the Ace3 branch doesn't have "import" or "copy"... |
| 08:08.25 | quiescens | i had so many categories and things when i was done |
| 08:09.09 | quiescens | presumably things have changed quite a bit since i used things |
| 08:09.21 | quiescens | i don't know if adibags existed or i just don't know what it is |
| 08:10.17 | Xuerian | Adrielle whacked together a higher performance (but ironically, memory leaking) all-in-one based off baggins |
| 08:10.25 | Xuerian | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/adibags |
| 08:11.22 | Xuerian | I really liked how it set up the categories, and it's much more usable than baggins is, as well as being faster. It doesn't support tooltip scanning though, doesn't handle unique items properly (eg two items with different enchants), and you can't really change the default categories |
| 08:11.42 | Xuerian | The dynamic sets thing was a great idea too |
| 08:13.03 | quiescens | i probably don't know what it is |
| 08:13.17 | Xuerian | arches a brow. |
| 08:13.24 | quiescens | i just know i always preferred the self sorting bag type ones |
| 08:13.33 | Xuerian | I linked it. There's a screenshot. |
| 08:13.36 | quiescens | i don't know how people can manage sorting things themselves |
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| 09:14.49 | Xuerian | Well, added "Import categories" option to the Ace3 branch of baggins. Next up: Simple "flow" category optimization (vs re-ordering optimization) |
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| 09:42.22 | quiescens | moo |
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| 14:42.17 | Megalon | http://4.asset.soup.io/asset/2767/6340_a9b3.jpeg |
| 14:42.27 | Megalon | kinda nsfw because japan |
| 14:43.01 | quiescens | because japan? |
| 14:43.13 | Megalon | exactly! |
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| 15:21.20 | quiescens | what does because japan mean? |
| 15:21.42 | quiescens | that doesn't even technically make grammatical sense! |
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| 15:49.20 | znf | quiescens, that's the whole point |
| 15:49.26 | znf | because I accidentally a japan |
| 15:52.20 | quiescens | o.o |
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| 19:02.36 | Humbedooh | whoo, mod_plua now supports file uploads via multipart/form-data crap, yay |
| 19:03.12 | Humbedooh | although the idea of using lua for file uploads seems a bit silly :3 |
| 19:03.30 | Xuerian | Ergh. Multipart forms. |
| 19:03.44 | Humbedooh | they are the evil |
| 19:03.58 | Humbedooh | and damn this xchat for correcting teh to the |
| 19:04.11 | quiescens | goto sleep |
| 19:04.39 | Humbedooh | stabs quiescens with a print function 10,000 times |
| 19:04.46 | quiescens | dies. |
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| 19:31.21 | Xuerian | Mikk: Why am I working on your project now D: |
| 19:31.27 | Mikk | not rly mine |
| 19:31.42 | Mikk | just keeping it alive |
| 19:31.55 | Mikk | will change rewards when i move ace3 branch to live |
| 19:31.58 | Mikk | which i should have done already tbfh |
| 19:32.10 | Xuerian | Probably :p |
| 19:32.34 | Xuerian | Working on adding simple optimization vs reordering. |
| 19:34.00 | Mikk | yeah saw |
| 19:34.04 | Mikk | been wanting that for a while |
| 19:34.16 | Mikk | fking anoying when your pots end up top of the bag when you expect them to be in the bottom |
| 19:34.17 | Mikk | -> die |
| 19:34.24 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 19:42.36 | Dark_Elf | hmm the config options dont show in ace3 version of baggins |
| 19:46.05 | Dark_Elf | mumbles gonna uninstall and go back to adibags lol |
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| 19:52.35 | Xuerian | Dark_Elf: What config options? |
| 19:53.20 | Dark_Elf | well the ones on the broker menu work but if you goto blizzard options it only show baggins and that it |
| 19:53.43 | Xuerian | So? Everything you need is in the broker menu. |
| 19:54.12 | Dark_Elf | guess i will have to look at the code and add the blizzard stuff if it not there |
| 19:54.30 | Xuerian | Just have to get it to register it's aceconfig frame as a uioptionspanel properly i think |
| 19:54.46 | Dark_Elf | yeah i can do that if thats what missing |
| 19:55.01 | Dark_Elf | im pretty good with ace config |
| 19:56.01 | Dark_Elf | also i dont think /baggins worked from chat when i tryed it |
| 19:56.17 | Xuerian | just worked for me |
| 19:56.28 | Xuerian | Also UIOptions worked |
| 19:56.30 | Xuerian | Not sure what you're smoking |
| 19:57.21 | Dark_Elf | maybe it cause i had the other plugins installed why it didnt work |
| 19:58.04 | Xuerian | Maybe, none of the additional filters work with the Ace3 branch yet. And I think that's because they're lacking Ace3Options tables. Which might be something you can do =) |
| 20:00.06 | Dark_Elf | i doubt they do cause they require ace as dependencies |
| 20:01.16 | Dark_Elf | will test profalbert ace3 branch alone and see how goes now |
| 20:01.33 | Xuerian | Even the built in PT3 filters don't work so I'd start with them |
| 20:01.57 | Xuerian | "are unavailable" is a better way to put it, the filters probably work fine |
| 20:02.42 | Mikk | Personally |
| 20:02.47 | Mikk | I want more filters integrated in baggins |
| 20:02.49 | Mikk | Less plugins |
| 20:03.22 | Xuerian | Honestly, I want more filters available but more default options based off efficient stuff. That's one thing adibags has hands down, it's snappier |
| 20:03.25 | Xuerian | :p |
| 20:03.48 | Xuerian | Only the potions and quest filters really need pt3 as far as I can tell |
| 20:03.56 | Dark_Elf | i wish it had a pretty frame like arkinventory's lol |
| 20:04.11 | Xuerian | Dark_Elf: Well make a skin for it then. Baggins-Skins.lua :p |
| 20:04.17 | Dark_Elf | lol |
| 20:08.10 | Dark_Elf | hmm i see some keyring code that can be taken out since key ring is gone |
| 20:09.52 | Dark_Elf | and ammo |
| 20:15.43 | Mikk | Xuerian: aye, itemtype filters solve most things |
| 20:17.12 | Xuerian | Mikk: I'm also scared to look at the tooltip scanner, I only use it for soulbound, I hope it doesn't scan the whole friggin tip |
| 20:17.38 | Xuerian | ~lart WhoeverDoesnltThinkWeNeedSoulbundStatusInItemInfoAtBlizzard |
| 20:17.38 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets WhoeverDoesnltThinkWeNeedSoulbundStatusInItemInfoAtBlizzard feel it |
| 20:17.41 | Mikk | if you're using "Tooltip", it's everything |
| 20:17.46 | Xuerian | Aww yeah, eat aol cd. |
| 20:18.05 | Xuerian | Mikk: Is there another option? |
| 20:18.12 | Mikk | there used to be a plugin |
| 20:18.18 | Mikk | Baggins_Usable |
| 20:18.24 | Mikk | but that got integrated into erm |
| 20:18.27 | Mikk | libfilter |
| 20:18.40 | Xuerian | There's LibFilter or something |
| 20:20.20 | Dark_Elf | ok standalone the config is working, but with the plugins installed it wont load |
| 20:20.41 | Mikk | which plugins tho |
| 20:20.47 | Dark_Elf | not sure |
| 20:20.55 | Mikk | plugins designed for old baggins will not be a good idea to use |
| 20:21.05 | Dark_Elf | yeah |
| 20:21.26 | Mikk | should probably make those plugins more incompatible with new baggins |
| 20:21.30 | Mikk | or the other way around i mean |
| 20:21.48 | Mikk | should make new baggins more obviously incompatible with old plugins |
| 20:22.21 | Gnarfoz | yay zon'ozz deaded |
| 20:22.41 | Gnarfoz | who uses Grid to know how many stacks of Deep Corruption people have @ yor'sahj? |
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| 20:22.59 | Gnarfoz | we seem to have a bit of a problem with that, different players reporting different stack amounts for the same people |
| 20:27.02 | Dark_Elf | hmm now i cant get the bags to open all at once argh |
| 20:30.02 | Dark_Elf | reinstalls ace2 version |
| 20:32.54 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 20:35.35 | Xuerian | Dark_Elf: Just back up your config, move everything baggins out of your addons folder, and start fresh. The only thing that didn't work for me was importing/copying sections and I added importing |
| 20:35.59 | Xuerian | Mikk: They already come up as incompatible iirc. |
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| 20:41.37 | Gnarfoz | why oh why blizzard |
| 20:41.48 | Gnarfoz | must the two healing debuffs on yor'sahj have the exact same name |
| 20:41.50 | Gnarfoz | curse you |
| 20:42.02 | Gnarfoz | btw: lol @ "Repo replacement coming really soon" :D |
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| 20:49.06 | Gnarfoz | why can't UnitAura use spellids :< |
| 20:49.08 | Gnarfoz | !api unitaura |
| 20:49.08 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'unitaura': GameTooltip:SetUnitAura, UnitAura |
| 20:49.17 | Gnarfoz | !api UnitAura |
| 20:49.18 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 20:49.39 | Mikk | Gnarfoz: a better question - why doesnt the stack show up in combatlogs |
| 20:49.46 | Gnarfoz | haha wut |
| 20:50.04 | Gnarfoz | well, my current problem is that adding Deep Corruption to Grid as a debuff doesn't work reliably |
| 20:50.19 | Gnarfoz | from what we gathered, it doesn't work for oneself |
| 20:50.42 | Talryn | You can use UnitAura to scan the debuffs and find them but probably doesn't help with Grid as is. |
| 20:51.36 | Talryn | For some reason, Blizzard has been removing combat log events even though the client sees it happen. |
| 20:58.45 | Gnarfoz | not sure what you want to say with that, the point is that I can't pass UnitAura a spellid, but I can pass it a name |
| 20:58.57 | Gnarfoz | which is a stupid limitation, it should take both :( |
| 21:03.07 | Talryn | I understand and it would make sense to allow both. If you are coding it though, the only option is to iterate through the debuffs. |
| 21:05.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:05.23 | Gnarfoz | so... meh |
| 21:05.26 | Gnarfoz | also: it works... half |
| 21:07.33 | Gnarfoz | it works for players other than myself o_O |
| 21:07.42 | Gnarfoz | Transcriptor: Engage! |
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| 21:19.04 | groktar | pours quiescens all over Gnarfoz |
| 21:22.04 | Gnarfoz | yuck |
| 21:24.45 | groktar | kekeke |
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| 22:09.13 | JerichoHM | Hrm... I think I read that you can't have nil values when you initialize a table right |
| 22:12.31 | JerichoHM | example = {exam1 = 1, exam2 = 2, exam3 = nil} |
| 22:13.31 | Dark_Elf | local exam3 |
| 22:14.17 | JerichoHM | I guess to clarify. I have a table obviously with defined keys and values. Currently some are nil, but I can't do this correct? |
| 22:14.25 | JerichoHM | It has to have a non-nil value |
| 22:14.32 | Xuerian | Nil keys are removed |
| 22:14.33 | Xuerian | Yeah |
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| 22:15.28 | Dark_Elf | if exam3 = nil then "" |
| 22:15.44 | Xuerian | I tend to use two tables, a index and then values.. Since inevitably I want to iterate through this table by keys instead of the random pairs() order anyway |
| 22:16.07 | Xuerian | local index, data = {exam1, exam2, exam3}, {exam1 = 1, exam2 = 2} |
| 22:16.46 | Xuerian | You could do this with a 'custom' table via metatables, I suppose |
| 22:16.52 | Xuerian | But you still couldn't initialize it nil |
| 22:17.57 | JerichoHM | Thanks Xuerian... I thought that's what I had read... Don't really want to do 2 tables either at this point though :\ Its a big table |
| 22:18.33 | Xuerian | Two tables really isn't that much more expensive than one, especially since the strings aren't stored repeatedly (afaik..) |
| 22:19.13 | Xuerian | Actually scratch that, I really don't know how strings work in Lua. |
| 22:19.25 | Xuerian | But still, not that much more expensive |
| 22:19.42 | Xuerian | .. Pain in the ass, maybe |
| 22:19.58 | Xuerian | But such is Lua with sorted hash tables |
| 22:20.13 | Dark_Elf | for i = 1, #t do |
| 22:20.13 | Dark_Elf | t[i] = nil |
| 22:20.14 | Dark_Elf | end |
| 22:20.25 | Xuerian | wipe(t) |
| 22:20.35 | Dark_Elf | yeah thats a table wipe |
| 22:21.55 | JerichoHM | lol the entire table isn't nil.. just.. some things until accessed by the code. I'll probably go back and change it so that I have [name] and then no actual value assignments |
| 22:22.08 | JerichoHM | that would set it all to nil with my index names right? |
| 22:22.55 | Xuerian | Well you don't really need to initialize keys if you don't have the values yet anyway, do you? |
| 22:23.18 | JerichoHM | pmuch, but I want them pre-established |
| 22:23.45 | JerichoHM | it's probably bad coding, but it's kinda a DB index of variables that will be used throught the addon at various times |
| 22:23.54 | Xuerian | squints. |
| 22:24.17 | Xuerian | This isn't C/++, we use local variables unless data needs to be used elsewhere or later |
| 22:24.54 | JerichoHM | http://pastebin.com/d9AARLyH |
| 22:24.59 | JerichoHM | thats the ugly SOB >.< |
| 22:25.22 | JerichoHM | It does get used quite a bit in various functions and times |
| 22:25.32 | Xuerian | Whut does. I mean that's with the colors? |
| 22:25.46 | JerichoHM | I just don't feel efficient calling into the same variables in every function |
| 22:27.47 | JerichoHM | that entire DB is built off of variables that were called multiple times through my code in various functions at various times |
| 22:28.06 | JerichoHM | No bueno? |
| 22:28.19 | Dark_Elf | i see an err |
| 22:28.27 | Dark_Elf | ight should be right |
| 22:28.39 | JerichoHM | lol... Line and thanks >.< |
| 22:28.57 | Xuerian | Generally you want to keep variables as close to the use scope as possible... And reduce table lookups.. |
| 22:29.53 | Dark_Elf | line 61 |
| 22:29.59 | Xuerian | It's hard to grok how you're using this, but I'm fairly sure that's because you and I apparently have very different coding practices |
| 22:30.11 | Xuerian | Dark_Elf: Don't worry, it's ight. |
| 22:31.16 | Dark_Elf | ok ight it is then lol |
| 22:34.31 | JerichoHM | Sorry.. just started tanking an LFR.. i'll hop to the convo again in a few lol |
| 22:36.56 | Dark_Elf | is it me or is the slots called more than once? |
| 22:41.10 | JerichoHM | just you ;) |
| 22:41.38 | Dark_Elf | ok just checking |
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| 22:46.56 | JerichoHM | i'm guessing you saw slot and the isEnchantable |
| 22:47.42 | Dark_Elf | perhaps |
| 22:48.06 | Dark_Elf | i just dont understand why the slots cant be reused |
| 22:53.59 | JerichoHM | i'm considering making slot and isenchantable within same table |
| 22:54.17 | JerichoHM | not sure yet |
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| 23:02.13 | JerichoHM | almost done with LFR P1 then I'll yack more :) |
| 23:02.33 | Dark_Elf | take your time |
| 23:02.53 | JerichoHM | going onto boss 4/4 :) |
| 23:03.40 | JerichoHM | Xuerian: I like the tables idea, but I understand abusing the scope, but it seems inefficient to me |
| 23:04.02 | JerichoHM | it doesn't "release" the memory as far as I can tell it just... ignores it temporarily |
| 23:04.14 | JerichoHM | making me call the code a lot more |
| 23:04.58 | Xuerian | JerichoHM: This is more question for someone with better knowledge of garbage collection and the interpreter/compiler. |
| 23:08.50 | JerichoHM | Yeah I'm not sure how well the garbage collection behind the api is |
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| 23:14.28 | Xuerian | Like I said, it depends on how you're using it I think. |
| 23:15.28 | Dark_Elf | if v == "ShirtSlot" or v == "TabardSlot" then |
| 23:15.29 | Dark_Elf | -- Do Nothing |
| 23:15.36 | JerichoHM | I know I know lol |
| 23:15.54 | Dark_Elf | is that slotdb used just for durability? |
| 23:15.56 | JerichoHM | For some reason when I did if v ~= to "ShirtSlot" ... it didn't work |
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| 23:16.24 | Dark_Elf | cause if it is the shirt and tabard can be ripped out of the slotdb |
| 23:16.26 | JerichoHM | no it is used for Gem and Enchant detection, ilvl detection, and durability |
| 23:16.34 | JerichoHM | and quality |
| 23:16.49 | JerichoHM | The only thing that ACTUALLY uses those is the Quality though and It will probably be removed |
| 23:17.04 | JerichoHM | those 2 slots that is |
| 23:18.00 | Dark_Elf | so the enchantment also only does neck and finger too |
| 23:21.30 | JerichoHM | ? |
| 23:21.52 | JerichoHM | Not sure what you mean there? |
| 23:22.36 | Dark_Elf | i mean the slotDB has items in it that dont lose durability |
| 23:23.45 | JerichoHM | Yes but those items have an iLvL as well as in some cases a Gem/Enchant |
| 23:24.13 | Dark_Elf | ok so they are in that db cause of the ilvl |
| 23:24.14 | JerichoHM | The only two "wasted" slots are shirt and tabbard and those were purely cause my OCD didn't like that they didn't have a quality border |
| 23:24.22 | JerichoHM | correct |
| 23:25.22 | JerichoHM | I mean I know that I could techinically do a looping structure from 1-17 for the frames and slots, but something led me to this method... I can not remember it at this moment though lawl |
| 23:27.06 | JerichoHM | I'm thinking I need to spend a lot more time revising this thing |
| 23:27.35 | JerichoHM | I can see where your questions are coming from and well.. I see major flaws with this revisions design |
| 23:28.16 | JerichoHM | This collection could make the runtime of the addon very large |
| 23:28.25 | Torhal | Xuerian, JerichoHM: Strings are immutable. |
| 23:29.12 | JerichoHM | Hrm |
| 23:29.21 | JerichoHM | I didn't know that Torhal |
| 23:29.27 | Torhal | They're also never garbage-collected. |
| 23:29.41 | JerichoHM | eww |
| 23:29.47 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 23:30.03 | Torhal | You can use a string as many times as you like and there will ever only be a single copy. |
| 23:30.07 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 23:30.16 | Xuerian | That's what I was hinging my suggestion on, JerichoHM. |
| 23:31.35 | Torhal | Also, you can built tables from other tables. I tend to define my key/value tables by hand and then iterate over them to build the indexed tables, which can be sorted however you like. |
| 23:31.40 | Torhal | s/built/build/ |
| 23:32.39 | JerichoHM | This table is scoped to the addon but not tied within any specific function. Is this a bad practice in Lua? |
| 23:33.13 | JerichoHM | Should I maintain scope within functions and only put what is absolutely needed outside of it? |
| 23:33.19 | Xuerian | Every logical block is a deeper scope, iirc. The deeper variable is scoped the faster it is released afaik |
| 23:33.22 | Torhal | Depends on how you're using it. I use addon-scoped tables for logically grouped constants. |
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| 23:33.40 | JerichoHM | This has a few of those |
| 23:33.54 | Torhal | Look at Constants.lua in Ackis Recipe List. |
| 23:34.23 | Xuerian | JerichoHM: Remember you can always grab a local reference of a sub-table at any given scope |
| 23:35.03 | JerichoHM | I think I need to go back to the drawing board on my variable handling :) |
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| 23:35.28 | Xuerian | It did seem a little more like a gameplan than production code >.> |
| 23:35.37 | Xuerian | or a "site map", even. |
| 23:35.45 | JerichoHM | This isn't a live or even tested revision at all |
| 23:36.10 | JerichoHM | It was exactly that Xuerian... Site map is a great description lol |
| 23:36.42 | Xuerian | Well fuck then what's the problem. Write the addon, reference that, but set it up as needed and cache tables if more than one or two are going to be thrown out on a rapid basis |
| 23:36.43 | JerichoHM | I still think a table with constants is a good thing like Torhal suggests, but I had too many changing variables in there |
| 23:36.44 | Xuerian | lol |
| 23:36.57 | Xuerian | Yeah, what you just said |
| 23:37.07 | JerichoHM | :D lol |
| 23:37.17 | Torhal | local lookup_table = private.MY_LOOKUP_TABLE |
| 23:37.28 | Torhal | Boom. Faster for multiple lookups within that function. |
| 23:37.34 | Dark_Elf | worships Torhal |
| 23:37.36 | Torhal | lol |
| 23:38.06 | JerichoHM | hrm |
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| 23:38.17 | Torhal | You can even upvalue sub-tables of a table. |
| 23:38.21 | JerichoHM | ok.. I've just been directly accessing things not passing them into locals so |
| 23:38.25 | Xuerian | JerichoHM: The idea that scopes are tables and tables are always passed by reference can take a minute to get used to 0_o |
| 23:38.28 | Torhal | local player_info = private.MY_LOOKUP_TABLE.PLAYER |
| 23:39.07 | Torhal | That only really matters if you're doing intensive loops with multiple lookups into the same table. |
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| 23:39.24 | nebula169 | multiple times a second |
| 23:39.28 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 23:39.32 | nebula169 | :p |
| 23:39.43 | Xuerian | It's generally nicer to write if you have to access keys in a given table more than a few times per block and still a bit cheaper to boot, though |
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| 23:40.04 | JerichoHM | It pulls the data running through a per item basis... very very simple logic really |
| 23:40.08 | Torhal | Rule of thumb: Readability trumps optimization, unless it doesn't. |
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| 23:40.58 | Torhal | And now I must get ready to go out to eat. Bleargh. |
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| 23:41.21 | JerichoHM | thanks Torhal |
| 23:41.28 | Dark_Elf | yes thanks Torhal |
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| 23:42.40 | znf | what? you mean the "output" is not readable? http://www.wowace.com/paste/4562/ |
| 23:43.01 | Dark_Elf | HeadSlot = isEnchantable |
| 23:43.50 | Dark_Elf | oops |
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