| 00:24.15 | nebula169 | Stanzilla: thats smart labels, you can already turn that on |
| 00:25.58 | nebula169 | near that they're integrating it, i guess |
| 00:26.03 | nebula169 | neat* |
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| 01:14.40 | Repo | 5962fe8: TOC Update |
| 01:14.40 | Repo | 256b99a: Backed out the tooltip scanning stuff |
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| 01:22.40 | sb | ugh, what happened |
| 01:22.46 | sb | gmail asked me to enable hangouts |
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| 02:06.42 | pompy | ~lart Stan |
| 02:06.42 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Stan |
| 02:06.51 | pompy | ~lart Stanzilla |
| 02:06.51 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Stanzilla's pants |
| 02:11.23 | quiescens | o.o |
| 02:15.03 | sb | do you ever sleep quiescens? |
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| 03:20.50 | Repo | autoprofitlite: 03kanadian * r11 AutoProfitLite.toc: - UI Version update |
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| 03:24.56 | quiescens | o.o |
| 03:29.30 | Torhal | quiescens: goto sleep |
| 03:37.07 | quiescens | ): |
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| 04:37.49 | Stanzilla | " Basically, I've given up trying to quickly patch up 6.10. I've reverted to 6.9.9, and made the changes necessary for it to work with WoW 5.3" |
| 04:37.53 | Stanzilla | that tidyplates dick |
| 04:38.02 | Stanzilla | so glad I ditched it |
| 04:39.27 | quiescens | o.o |
| 04:54.07 | Torhal | beats Stanzilla into a ditch with a Tidyplate. |
| 04:54.51 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 04:55.52 | Torhal | Stanzilla: http://i.imgur.com/Z7Gpf.gif |
| 04:57.41 | Stanzilla | exactly |
| 05:03.13 | Fisker | too late Funkeh` |
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| 05:32.40 | Repo | fzxc: 03Fylwind 07master * 1.0.11-1-g76ac2f9 FZXC.toc: [+1 commit] TOC Bump |
| 05:36.14 | Torhal | @project fzxc |
| 05:36.15 | Repo | Torhal: [WoW] FZ Cross-realm Communicator (Updated May 25, 2013 at 5:32 UTC) - https://www.wowace.com/addons/fzxc/ |
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| 05:58.57 | Stanzilla | @curse Torhal |
| 05:58.57 | Repo | Stanzilla: Project "torhal" was not found. |
| 05:59.23 | Torhal | @repo: Stanzilla |
| 05:59.30 | Torhal | @repo Stanzilla |
| 05:59.30 | Repo | Torhal: Project "stanzilla" was not found. |
| 06:01.23 | Stanzilla | great feature |
| 06:01.25 | Stanzilla | *claps* |
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| 06:15.01 | pompy | Stanzilla: why did they mail the lucky quillen cub pets to ppl with the mop ce, again? |
| 06:16.08 | Stanzilla | I don't know? |
| 06:31.33 | MysticalOS | stan, your favorite addon author |
| 06:31.44 | MysticalOS | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13674-TidyPlates.html#changelog |
| 06:32.17 | pompy | MysticalOS: (5/25/2013 12:37:41 AM) Stanzilla: " Basically, I've given up trying to quickly patch up 6.10. I've reverted to 6.9.9, and made the changes necessary for it to work with WoW 5.3" |
| 06:32.17 | pompy | (5/25/2013 12:37:44 AM) Stanzilla: that tidyplates dick |
| 06:32.17 | pompy | (5/25/2013 12:37:53 AM) Stanzilla: so glad I ditched it |
| 06:32.18 | pompy | ;) |
| 06:32.51 | MysticalOS | sad thing is, there just isn't a good enough replacement |
| 06:32.54 | MysticalOS | so have to deal with it |
| 06:32.54 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 06:33.02 | Stanzilla | kuiNameplates |
| 06:33.07 | MysticalOS | i usually just take teh best running version and just fix errors locally if i can |
| 06:33.10 | Stanzilla | only missing feature is color changing for special names |
| 06:33.17 | MysticalOS | and hiding |
| 06:33.33 | Stanzilla | I didn't use that though |
| 06:33.40 | MysticalOS | trying to do lei shi achievement on 25 man was near impossible without ability to hide nameplates for certain mobs |
| 06:33.43 | Stanzilla | that always feels buggy to me |
| 06:33.43 | MysticalOS | i use it freqeunt enough |
| 06:33.44 | Stanzilla | like |
| 06:33.46 | MysticalOS | use it on tortos too |
| 06:33.47 | Stanzilla | WTF WHY NO PLATES |
| 06:33.55 | MysticalOS | we don't kill bats |
| 06:34.03 | MysticalOS | they are just kited by dk |
| 06:34.12 | MysticalOS | and 21526256 nameplate no good |
| 06:34.42 | Stanzilla | we diddnt use that that tactic though |
| 06:35.16 | MysticalOS | lol our dk, if he can kite it, he wants to do it that way and no other way |
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| 06:35.49 | MysticalOS | he kited on magmaw and he kited on conclave. this is first fight since that lets him have his kite. lol |
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| 06:38.29 | Stanzilla | hoo damn magmaw |
| 06:38.33 | Stanzilla | that was fun before the "fix" |
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| 06:39.45 | MysticalOS | they only fixed the constructs. you could still kite parasites til the end of time. |
| 06:49.29 | Stanzilla | yes but construcs were the fun part |
| 06:52.17 | Stanzilla | http://open.spotify.com/track/7GbqE3MlkKosIaCvf50JRK |
| 06:52.18 | Stanzilla | <3 |
| 06:52.51 | Fisker | please don't spotify Stanzilla |
| 06:53.16 | Stanzilla | look at all the fucks |
| 06:53.17 | Stanzilla | I give |
| 06:53.33 | nevcairiel | look at all the fucks we can take from you |
| 06:53.44 | Stanzilla | soo many |
| 06:53.57 | Stanzilla | did you see the gmail news I linked, nevcairiel |
| 06:54.07 | nevcairiel | it was about the stupid app again |
| 06:54.14 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 06:54.23 | Stanzilla | 01:24:53 ∙ Stanzilla: nevcairiel: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/24/4363762/purported-gmail-images-show-new-tabbed-interface-for-sorting-email |
| 06:54.30 | nevcairiel | it has an image of an android screen |
| 06:54.35 | nevcairiel | i stopped reading after that |
| 06:54.40 | Stanzilla | st00pid |
| 06:54.43 | nevcairiel | not my problem if verge is just bad |
| 06:54.53 | Stanzilla | tom warren works for them |
| 06:54.55 | Stanzilla | has to be bad |
| 06:55.00 | nevcairiel | exactly |
| 06:55.04 | nevcairiel | also, who is tom warren |
| 06:55.09 | Stanzilla | creamhackered |
| 06:55.10 | Stanzilla | from neowin |
| 06:55.19 | nevcairiel | neowin is also pretty bad |
| 06:56.01 | nevcairiel | also ,that feature they are talking about seems stupid |
| 06:56.16 | nevcairiel | i can sort my own mail, tyvm |
| 06:56.20 | Stanzilla | it's, like nebula169 mentioned, almost the same as that lab feature |
| 06:59.08 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 06:59.17 | Fisker | and even hey nevcairiel |
| 06:59.41 | Fisker | only 4 days and 15 hours until money has been thrown at microsoft |
| 06:59.55 | nevcairiel | i would rather throw money at intel |
| 07:00.22 | nevcairiel | and possibly asus |
| 07:00.43 | Fisker | i may do that as well |
| 07:00.54 | Fisker | it sucks though |
| 07:01.06 | Fisker | why are everyone outside denmark incapable of understanding a fucking nda? |
| 07:01.24 | Fisker | i'm camping those sites for any leaks of the Haswell cpu's before time |
| 07:01.32 | Fisker | and there's like places already selling it elsewhere in the world |
| 07:01.36 | Fisker | but here they're not dumb fucks |
| 07:02.34 | Stanzilla | I still think buying a surface now is dumb |
| 07:02.38 | nevcairiel | not that it would do any good, i dont even know what motherboards there will be and which one is going to be good |
| 07:02.55 | Fisker | well your mom is dumb too |
| 07:03.06 | Stanzilla | that is sadly true |
| 07:03.09 | Fisker | asus ones are already revealed nevcairiel |
| 07:03.29 | nevcairiel | where? |
| 07:03.40 | nevcairiel | not on their website at least |
| 07:04.14 | Fisker | http://anandtech.com/show/6970/haswell-z87-motherboard-preview-50-motherboards-from-asus-gigabyte-asrock-msi-ecs-biostar-and-evga/2 |
| 07:04.19 | Fisker | http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?286159-ASUS-Introduces-Z87-Motherboard-Lineup |
| 07:05.49 | nevcairiel | needs more specs |
| 07:07.12 | Fisker | nah |
| 07:07.15 | Fisker | needs more pricing |
| 07:08.03 | nevcairiel | all i really need is a board with Intel NIC and exposed iGPU outputs |
| 07:08.13 | nevcairiel | preferably also PS2 |
| 07:08.45 | nevcairiel | the z87 deluxe already fails, no DVI connector |
| 07:08.59 | Fisker | probably the workstation board you want |
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| 07:09.23 | nevcairiel | they only have images of the deluxes ports |
| 07:09.24 | nevcairiel | screw them |
| 07:09.27 | Fisker | doesn't have dvi either |
| 07:09.40 | nevcairiel | the Pro has DVI apparently |
| 07:09.41 | Fisker | z87pro does |
| 07:09.59 | Fisker | also the gryphon lol |
| 07:10.15 | Stanzilla | why PS2 |
| 07:10.33 | Fisker | he wants interrupt based keyboard play apparently |
| 07:10.46 | nevcairiel | ps2 > usb for keyboards |
| 07:10.48 | Fisker | because he plays a game that requires using 6 buttons at once |
| 07:11.14 | nevcairiel | but i doubt any of the boards are really going to have it |
| 07:11.35 | Fisker | the extreme has it |
| 07:12.01 | nevcairiel | gigabyte apparently has a ps2 port on their boards quite often |
| 07:13.38 | nevcairiel | extreme has no dvi :P |
| 07:13.55 | nevcairiel | my 24" screens dont have DP :( |
| 07:14.11 | Fisker | soothes nevcairiel |
| 07:14.16 | Fisker | why not adapter? |
| 07:14.22 | Fisker | and why use igpu? |
| 07:14.33 | nevcairiel | of course nvidia could just fix that damn issue that makes the GPU run on maximum power if you mix resolutions, then it wouldnt be a problem |
| 07:16.08 | nevcairiel | but thats why iGPU, main screen on nvidia for gaming, other screens on iGPU for desktop |
| 07:16.11 | Stanzilla | is the quassel win binary 64bit? |
| 07:16.38 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 07:16.48 | Stanzilla | =( |
| 07:17.42 | Stanzilla | =( |
| 07:17.59 | Fisker | does that shit even work nevcairiel ? |
| 07:18.05 | nevcairiel | what shit |
| 07:18.35 | Fisker | running spanned displays on 2 seperate gpu's? |
| 07:18.42 | nevcairiel | works for me |
| 07:18.47 | nevcairiel | looking at it right now |
| 07:18.59 | Fisker | I thought microsoft said fuck that in vista |
| 07:19.09 | nevcairiel | it was broken in vista, works in 7 |
| 07:19.21 | Fisker | it was intentionally broken in vista |
| 07:19.33 | Fisker | and i never heard they wanted to bring it back |
| 07:19.40 | nevcairiel | all i know is that it works now |
| 07:19.48 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 07:19.56 | nevcairiel | because i'm using it right now! |
| 07:20.07 | Fisker | Support multiple drivers in a multi-adapter and multi-monitor setup [7][17] |
| 07:20.08 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 07:25.03 | Stanzilla | meh |
| 07:25.11 | Stanzilla | can't connect to my bnc with quassel |
| 07:25.20 | nevcairiel | why would you combine a bnc with quassel |
| 07:25.38 | nevcairiel | quassel is its own bnc |
| 07:25.46 | Stanzilla | because my bnc is not on my pc |
| 07:26.34 | Stanzilla | and I need my bnc to be always online |
| 07:26.40 | Stanzilla | and I don't have a server to install quassel core on |
| 07:27.07 | nevcairiel | if you ask very nicely, i could give you a account on my quassel core |
| 07:27.52 | Stanzilla | that would be really sexy, I wanted to test it for ages |
| 07:28.20 | nevcairiel | although it should really be able to connect to any normal bnc |
| 07:28.24 | nevcairiel | even if its silly to do so |
| 07:28.52 | Stanzilla | I'd rather go the non silly route and use your offer :D |
| 07:29.35 | nevcairiel | now i have to remember how to add a user |
| 07:31.02 | Stanzilla | I hope a user can be connected to more than one network |
| 07:31.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:31.06 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 07:31.11 | Stanzilla | not like with the old ZNC where you had to have a user per network |
| 07:31.13 | Stanzilla | that was so bad |
| 07:32.56 | nevcairiel | note that i may occasionally update the server kernel or quasselcore and will probably forget to let you know that its going to be down for a minute |
| 07:33.49 | nevcairiel | also, i PMed you the access details |
| 07:34.44 | Stanzilla | yup thank you |
| 07:34.47 | Stanzilla | just need to finish this LFR |
| 07:34.55 | Stanzilla | and my current BNC has outtages that can take days so |
| 07:34.58 | Stanzilla | no problem :D |
| 07:41.30 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: thanks., do I just add that as a network? |
| 07:44.00 | Stanzilla | oh nvm |
| 07:44.03 | Stanzilla | started the wrong thing |
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| 07:48.37 | Stanzilla_ | I hope this has skins |
| 07:49.19 | Fisker | you have access to a bnc but can't get quassel on it? |
| 07:49.22 | Fisker | n00b |
| 07:49.38 | Fisker | i hope noone murders you |
| 07:49.41 | Stanzilla | not my server/bnc |
| 07:52.35 | Fisker | people who don't use quassel should probably think about taking a life insurance policy |
| 07:53.16 | Fisker | i need some time travel |
| 07:53.19 | Fisker | so i can get my surface pro |
| 07:55.47 | Stanzilla | oh man |
| 07:55.55 | Stanzilla | already found the first visual glitch |
| 07:57.04 | Stanzilla | and I guess you can't disable that nick indenting? |
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| 08:25.19 | mitchnull | ~toc |
| 08:25.19 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 50300, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
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| 08:38.00 | Fisker | like me nevcairiel |
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| 08:38.27 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 08:40.06 | Kalroth | o/ |
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| 08:46.13 | nevcairiel | yay got my new SIM card, just two more days and i can finally get rid of this crappy network |
| 08:46.50 | quiescens | why is it 2 days? |
| 08:47.08 | nevcairiel | actually its 3 i guess, then my number will be ported to the new carrier |
| 08:47.38 | quiescens | oic |
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| 09:22.47 | znf | my god... I haven't played WoW in days now :-( |
| 09:24.54 | quiescens | there there znf |
| 09:25.04 | quiescens | its not the end of the world |
| 09:25.37 | znf | yes it is :( |
| 09:25.43 | znf | didn't even see the new daily area :( |
| 09:34.21 | znf | ofcourse the patch I just downloaded unticked "load out of date addons"... |
| 09:37.39 | quiescens | you say that like it was unexpected |
| 09:43.25 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 09:46.09 | znf | quiescens, well... since 5.1/5.2 they made them not uncheck that thing |
| 09:46.17 | znf | quiescens, the "big" 5.3 patch didn't untick the option |
| 09:46.46 | znf | quiescens, it's weird now for a minor patch (ie: one of their "hot" patches just for the .exe) to do that after the content patch was released |
| 09:47.32 | znf | ...how do I do simple typechecking in Lua? |
| 09:47.41 | znf | ie: how do I check if the input is a number and not a string? |
| 09:49.33 | znf | oh, tonumber() thx! |
| 09:51.51 | nevcairiel | type(var) == "number" |
| 09:52.40 | quiescens | technically that answers the first question instead of the 2nd question |
| 09:52.56 | znf | either way works fo rme |
| 09:53.15 | quiescens | eh |
| 09:53.19 | quiescens | they do different things |
| 09:58.29 | znf | Does this look right to you? |
| 09:58.30 | znf | if (db.raidsize and n < db.raidsize) or n < 20 then |
| 10:09.00 | znf | oscarucb, if you didn't already, can you add the weekly-scenario-quest to saved_variables ? |
| 10:09.13 | znf | saved_instances I mean :( |
| 10:22.32 | Funkeh` | znf, if n < db.raidsize or 20 then |
| 10:29.24 | znf | Funkeh`, db.raidsize can be null |
| 10:29.33 | znf | nil, whatever |
| 10:29.41 | Funkeh` | if it is it will skip over and use 20 |
| 10:30.19 | Funkeh` | if n < (db.raidsize or 20) then if it helps visualize |
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| 10:49.33 | znf | Funkeh`, oh, I see. |
| 10:49.41 | znf | thanks |
| 11:06.37 | Yoshimo | can we do something against ace3 tainting the /target? |
| 11:06.59 | Yoshimo | at least it gets blamed for that |
| 11:07.13 | Funkeh` | most likely an addon using acehook |
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| 12:15.43 | Fisker | hey Funkeh` |
| 12:15.46 | Fisker | :) |
| 12:15.58 | Megalon | so the heying begins |
| 12:16.13 | Fisker | why are you a jerk Megalon ? |
| 12:16.16 | Funkeh` | hi |
| 12:16.48 | Fisker | did blizzard fix the reporting bug yet? |
| 12:17.16 | Funkeh` | that bug has been around since shortly after its introduction (2.x) |
| 12:17.26 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 12:17.32 | Fisker | i'm pretty sure it hasn't |
| 12:17.44 | Funkeh` | it has, it's just that rare |
| 12:18.25 | Megalon | nothing wrong with a little bit of jerking every now and then, Fisker |
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| 13:13.33 | nevcairiel | mhm my damn dish washer died |
| 13:14.19 | quiescens | quick, res it |
| 13:14.56 | nevcairiel | i could probably somehow try to figure out whats broken and get it repaired, but considering i had to duct tape some parts before already, i think i need to replace it :p |
| 13:17.32 | quiescens | gasp |
| 13:17.36 | quiescens | even duct tape isn't enough? |
| 13:18.52 | nevcairiel | now the big problem, since apparently the pump is busted, there is water left inside, how the fuck do i get that out without getting all my kitchen wet |
| 13:22.43 | quiescens | fire |
| 13:24.49 | quiescens | iuno |
| 13:24.56 | quiescens | drill a hole and then drain it |
| 13:30.23 | nevcairiel | i have been thinking of somehow moving it to the shower and flipping it over until it drained itself |
| 13:30.29 | nevcairiel | but its freaking heavy :P |
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| 13:44.35 | Elkano | nev, if you can fit a small tube in maybe you could suck it empty? |
| 13:55.33 | Xuerian_ | I somehow skipped from Megalon's message to Elkano's message |
| 13:55.43 | Xuerian | Suffice to say I'm going to take a short break from the internet |
| 13:55.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:56.20 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 13:56.29 | Xuerian | NOPE |
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| 16:13.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: don't dish washers have some kind of maintenance/emergency tap, like washing mashines, for just such occasions? |
| 16:42.28 | nevcairiel | i couldnt find anything in the manual or by looking |
| 16:42.43 | nevcairiel | but if i start moving it out again, i will have another closer look |
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| 17:59.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: good luck ;o |
| 18:00.26 | Gnarfoz | (it should, for obvious reasons, be low on the front - doubt it's going to be on the side or back) |
| 18:10.36 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i wanted to clean the ...flusensieb.. of my washing maschine as well, and now i wonder how that thing is called in english |
| 18:13.45 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: washing machine filter, simply :D |
| 18:13.59 | nevcairiel | but flusensieb is a much cooler name |
| 18:14.27 | Gnarfoz | ok. "lint trap" :D |
| 18:14.44 | nevcairiel | i wonder if its really the correct term though |
| 18:14.53 | nevcairiel | english people speak up! |
| 18:15.18 | Gnarfoz | just google image search "washing machine filter", it turns up the... thing |
| 18:15.18 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:15.35 | Gnarfoz | actually, "lint trap" looks like it's more of a dryer thing |
| 18:15.44 | Gnarfoz | judging from ze pikshurs |
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| 18:18.41 | nevcairiel | i never really were up-close with a dryer before, so i wouldnt know :p |
| 18:22.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm assuming that from lint traps being shown with big, air-carrying hoses, not pressurized stuff for water |
| 18:23.05 | Gnarfoz | also, I hate Samsung for using this Fujitsu image signal processor chip in the S4 |
| 18:23.32 | nevcairiel | its no good? |
| 18:23.41 | Gnarfoz | can't verify which camera sensor module is in there, apparently the chip does all the business the driver would usually do |
| 18:24.14 | Gnarfoz | it's just a matter of rumours that the GT-I9505 (snapdragon LTE version) doesn't have the shiny new Sony Exmor RS sensor but an old Exmor R one |
| 18:24.17 | nevcairiel | dont some review sites usually take one apart and show the exact things |
| 18:24.32 | Gnarfoz | yes, but the modules don't carry such marketing names |
| 18:24.44 | Gnarfoz | also, I haven't found a teardown that actually shows a GT-I9505 |
| 18:24.55 | Gnarfoz | Chipworks and iFixit both show I9500 |
| 18:25.42 | nevcairiel | and i guess the software also doesnt tell you the name of the module |
| 18:25.51 | Gnarfoz | there's a camera/isp firmware debug menu (*#35971539# or something) that can display the version numbers of these things |
| 18:25.55 | nevcairiel | judging from your comments, because the signal processor eats that info :p |
| 18:25.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 18:26.33 | Gnarfoz | on the I9505 it just shows M10MO for the rear camera sensor firmware version, which is actually the type name of this Fujitsu ISP chip |
| 18:27.09 | Gnarfoz | I9500: http://i.imgur.com/JSivJin.jpg |
| 18:27.13 | Gnarfoz | I9505: http://i.imgur.com/fi6hVc8.jpg |
| 18:27.44 | Gnarfoz | the Exynos SoC does the image signal processing internally, apparently, so it also talks directly to the sensor |
| 18:28.09 | Gnarfoz | I would normally assume that it's all hogwash and both have the same sensor |
| 18:28.25 | Gnarfoz | but some of the image comparisons between i9500 and i9505 show pretty big differences |
| 18:28.55 | Gnarfoz | which, of course, as photography goes, could just be due to it being different pictures. also, maybe one phone had old camera firmware |
| 18:28.58 | Gnarfoz | etc ;) |
| 18:29.10 | Fisker | wtf is up with the font? |
| 18:29.33 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: hm? it not being anti-aliased on the i9500? no idea |
| 18:29.47 | Gnarfoz | maybe different DPI settings, who knows |
| 18:30.36 | nevcairiel | looks like DPI, the sizes are quite different |
| 18:30.45 | Gnarfoz | my research so far shows that the i9505 kernel is compiled *without* the drivers for the IMX091 (that'd be the old Exmor R sensor) |
| 18:30.59 | Gnarfoz | the i9500 kernel doesn't even have the drivers included |
| 18:31.36 | Gnarfoz | and the i9505 kernel of course has the drivers for the Fujitsu chip ("jc" in v4l parlance) |
| 18:31.42 | nevcairiel | cant you get at the kernels dmesg and read around in it? |
| 18:31.52 | nevcairiel | (i have no idea if that is possible) |
| 18:31.53 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 18:32.09 | Gnarfoz | what for, though? |
| 18:32.35 | Gnarfoz | initialization output of some kind might be there |
| 18:32.39 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 18:32.51 | Gnarfoz | I'll try after I've made some food. :) |
| 18:32.53 | nevcairiel | yeah during kernel boot it may list whatever hardware it finds |
| 18:33.09 | Gnarfoz | it'll probably also just list the M10MO thing |
| 18:33.20 | nevcairiel | that is assuming the kernel even knows about it, and its not completely hidden after that chip |
| 18:33.40 | Gnarfoz | I fear it is, because there's no other drivers for it |
| 18:36.58 | Gnarfoz | gt-i9505/drivers/media/video/msm/sensors/jc_v4l2.c |
| 18:37.11 | Gnarfoz | (not there at all in i9500) |
| 18:38.15 | Gnarfoz | gt-i9505/drivers/media/video/msm/sensors/imx074_v4l2.c + gt-i9505/drivers/media/video/msm/sensors/imx091.c |
| 18:38.27 | Gnarfoz | also both not present in i9500 |
| 18:38.30 | Gnarfoz | however |
| 18:39.44 | Gnarfoz | according to /proc/config.gz the kernel was compiled with: CONFIG_S5K6B2YX=y CONFIG_JC=y # CONFIG_IMX091 is not set # CONFIG_IMX074 is not set |
| 18:39.56 | Gnarfoz | (s5k6b2 is the front camera) |
| 18:40.37 | Gnarfoz | so I guess unless one of those teardown sites actually makes a point of comparing the i9500 with the i9505 and pays attention to the sensor markings, it's still all guesswork ;-) |
| 18:41.33 | nevcairiel | dmesg may still show some info somewhere, you may get lucky |
| 18:41.43 | Gnarfoz | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2283201 pikshurs! (only the first one with the yellow house is comparable. pic 2 and 3 are HDR) |
| 18:42.42 | nevcairiel | dont the sensors sometimes write that info into some metadata or something, but i guess that would've been too easy :p |
| 18:43.57 | Gnarfoz | nah, EXIF just shows the phone model ^^ |
| 18:44.33 | nevcairiel | that thread seems to have a bunch of people that seem pretty convinced |
| 18:44.38 | quiescens | moo |
| 18:45.01 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it's XDA, don't pay attention to 75% of the posts :D |
| 18:45.12 | Gnarfoz | really, the signal/noise ratio there is utterly horrible, so many shitposters |
| 18:45.58 | Gnarfoz | loads of gullible people, non-technical people, kids, and I don't know what other factors might drive people to believe ANYTHING they read somewhere without a single critical thought of their own |
| 18:46.38 | Gnarfoz | I'd blame them for being from the (middle, or not so middle) east, india or oceanic asia, but I'm not racist enough to believe in that :p |
| 18:47.03 | Gnarfoz | enough idiot germans, USians, canadians etc around, too ;P |
| 18:47.11 | quiescens | gasp |
| 18:47.13 | quiescens | racist |
| 18:47.54 | quiescens | stabs gnarfoz with a block of dihydrogen monoxide |
| 18:48.10 | Gnarfoz | gulps it all away |
| 18:50.39 | nevcairiel | camera quality was never all that important for me on phones anyway |
| 18:50.41 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 18:50.54 | Gnarfoz | It's just a matter of knowing if Samsung fucked me over, too |
| 18:51.12 | Gnarfoz | I do own a NEX-5N anyway, if I want to take pretty pikshurs |
| 18:52.53 | Gnarfoz | I just grabbed all the pix from post #1 again |
| 18:53.04 | Gnarfoz | and noticed: the green house pic is HDR for one of them and not for the other |
| 18:53.09 | Gnarfoz | nice comparison. |
| 18:53.10 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:53.47 | nevcairiel | all the difference can come from the processor too, its hard to figure out jsut the sensors when so many other parts could be different |
| 18:54.21 | nevcairiel | so yeah someone should do a teardown |
| 18:56.54 | nevcairiel | i think its just bad strategy to have two completely different SoCs in the same model anyhow |
| 18:58.14 | Gnarfoz | one is LTE, the other isn't |
| 18:58.35 | Gnarfoz | that's probably the main difference |
| 18:58.39 | nevcairiel | its still completely different SoCs, which just confuses people |
| 18:58.43 | Gnarfoz | I know, I know |
| 18:58.53 | Gnarfoz | not even sure why the Exynos doesn't do LTE |
| 18:59.05 | Gnarfoz | afaik the chip is capable |
| 19:00.03 | nevcairiel | did you get a LTE contract to test that anyway? |
| 19:01.56 | Gnarfoz | I do have a "LTE contract" but O2 doesn't offer LTE here, yet |
| 19:02.19 | Gnarfoz | not that you'd actually need a LTE contract, for most networks it's enough to just have any contract |
| 19:02.29 | Gnarfoz | you'll be stuck on 7.2 Mbit/s though |
| 19:02.40 | nevcairiel | i suppose thats still better |
| 19:02.45 | Gnarfoz | sure, better latency |
| 19:02.47 | Gnarfoz | less congestion |
| 19:03.02 | Gnarfoz | and IP back to back, instead of going through 5 layers of telephony |
| 19:03.23 | nevcairiel | i wonder how that works in the D1 net that i'm moving into now, not that i actually have a LTE phone, but hey |
| 19:03.36 | Gnarfoz | (I researched this when my plans were still to go with a Congstar contract, which is T-Mobile, but not from T-Mobile itself... they don't offer LTE contracts, but you can use the LTE network anyway, just at limited speed) |
| 19:03.44 | Gnarfoz | how what works? :) |
| 19:03.55 | nevcairiel | you apparently just said it |
| 19:04.00 | Gnarfoz | ah, hehe |
| 19:04.13 | nevcairiel | i switched from o2 to congstar because the o2 net is sometimes so horrible around here |
| 19:04.23 | Gnarfoz | it's sometimes horrible *everywhere* I guess :D |
| 19:04.47 | nevcairiel | i know they dont have LTE contracts, but apparently i could use the LTE net if i ever had such a phone |
| 19:04.47 | Gnarfoz | just leave "ping someserver" open for a while on your phone |
| 19:05.01 | Gnarfoz | horrible range of latency :D |
| 19:05.10 | Gnarfoz | (even packet loss some times) |
| 19:05.40 | nevcairiel | i cant really browse the net when i sit in the subway to work, it cuts out most of the time, and takes ages to re-establish |
| 19:05.41 | Gnarfoz | I do have a Congstar SIM card flying around here somewhere, but it's prepaid and apparently, those can't go into the LTE net |
| 19:05.49 | nevcairiel | and the subway doesnt even go underground that part |
| 19:05.52 | nevcairiel | despite its name :p |
| 19:05.55 | Gnarfoz | I thought Hamburg has WiFi in the subway? |
| 19:06.03 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 19:06.11 | Gnarfoz | hmm, then I'm confusing that with some other place |
| 19:06.25 | nevcairiel | we have wifi on some major stations |
| 19:06.28 | Gnarfoz | I thought it was mentioned in an article that talked about Hannover's plans to do something similar |
| 19:06.33 | nevcairiel | but its the typical telekom hotspot |
| 19:06.55 | Gnarfoz | it's sad that you only get the T-Mobile hotspot flatrate on the biggest T-Mobile contracts |
| 19:07.00 | Gnarfoz | which are like... 17898797€ a month |
| 19:07.06 | nevcairiel | i wonder if my t-entertain contract lets me in there |
| 19:07.15 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 19:07.21 | Gnarfoz | you'd need Comfort Plus or whatever it is these days |
| 19:07.26 | Gnarfoz | also the biggest one |
| 19:07.53 | nevcairiel | yeah no thanks |
| 19:07.53 | Fisker | i need to pee nevcairiel |
| 19:07.56 | Gnarfoz | I only picked this contract combination I'm now on because I get some rebate because my DSL is also O2 (after they bought alice) |
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| 19:08.08 | Gnarfoz | and they made the S4 cheaper by 180€ |
| 19:08.10 | nevcairiel | you got Blue LTE? |
| 19:08.27 | Gnarfoz | O2 Blue L All-in I think |
| 19:08.49 | nevcairiel | i was on o2o before, but yeah, network sucks |
| 19:09.01 | nevcairiel | my final network switch will be on tuesday, i hope it really is better |
| 19:09.15 | Gnarfoz | Congstar was a lot better from my little trial |
| 19:09.30 | Gnarfoz | I just bought a prepaid card to try out their network |
| 19:09.44 | Gnarfoz | although it doesn't have 3G at my home, for some weird reason |
| 19:10.04 | Gnarfoz | (not that I'd need it here) |
| 19:10.36 | Gnarfoz | best thing about the prepaid card: I went to like, 5 places but only the last one (Real) had the actual starter kit that includes the SIM, all other ones just had the top-up things |
| 19:10.48 | Gnarfoz | they had ONE set left for Congstar, and the phone number for that one... |
| 19:10.52 | Gnarfoz | includes my fucking birthday |
| 19:10.55 | nevcairiel | hahah |
| 19:11.02 | Gnarfoz | it's un fucking believable |
| 19:11.43 | nevcairiel | my mobile phone number (which i got many many years ago) has like 6 digits in common with my work phone number, its quite funny |
| 19:11.51 | Gnarfoz | I didn't even notice it at first; I stuck the sticker with the number to the bezel of one of my screens at work |
| 19:13.06 | Gnarfoz | in the end, this way, I'm getting *a lot* of stuff I would have missed out on with the Congstar solution; the main drawback is: it's still O2. :P and there's currently no LTE here, but they said it's going to be rolled out in the 3-4 months (yeah right) |
| 19:14.23 | nevcairiel | i'm happy with a really simple contract that just gives me some internet, and no other services that i dont need |
| 19:14.39 | nevcairiel | o2o was nice for that, and congstar has similar contracts |
| 19:15.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 19:15.46 | Gnarfoz | I would've used the 9 ct "pick what you like" thing |
| 19:15.57 | Gnarfoz | and just picked 3 GB data and nothing else |
| 19:16.00 | nevcairiel | thats what i got, just internet 1gb flat, nothing else |
| 19:16.05 | Gnarfoz | even cheaper, yeah |
| 19:16.29 | Gnarfoz | mine would've been 19,90€/month, yours is 12,90€ I think? |
| 19:16.33 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:16.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah. and no 24 month contract bullshit |
| 19:16.47 | nevcairiel | i'm fine with 1gb, rarely even reached the warning limit |
| 19:16.58 | Megalon | :O |
| 19:17.09 | Gnarfoz | I reached it a couple of times, but the next step up is 3GB, which is a bit overkill probably |
| 19:17.30 | Megalon | i never reach any of my limits on my contract for 10€, but i'm austrian so ;< |
| 19:17.44 | Gnarfoz | what *are* the limits? ;) |
| 19:17.48 | nevcairiel | one month i accidentally downloaded an ebook over 3g instead of wifi, that month had a terribly slow week in it |
| 19:17.52 | Megalon | 1k minutes, 1k sms, 2gb |
| 19:17.58 | Gnarfoz | da fuq |
| 19:18.00 | nevcairiel | er, audio book, not ebook |
| 19:18.06 | Gnarfoz | well, you live in wonderland, apparently |
| 19:18.49 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I would've lost my 2nd SIM card for my netbook (Congstar doesn't offer multiple SIM cards) |
| 19:19.19 | nevcairiel | i have been wondering if my good old galaxy tab 2 complains much if i take out the sim card and just use it wifi |
| 19:19.29 | Gnarfoz | it shouldn't |
| 19:19.39 | Gnarfoz | should just say "no SIM inserted" in the notification bar |
| 19:19.39 | Megalon | a winter wonderland apparently |
| 19:19.44 | Gnarfoz | then, 7 days of data roaming in the EU per year, I think |
| 19:19.55 | Gnarfoz | land line number for my phone as long as I'm in Baden-Baden |
| 19:20.27 | Gnarfoz | and of course flat rates of all shapes and sizes :P (SMS, calls to landlines and mobiles) |
| 19:20.30 | Gnarfoz | not that I need those |
| 19:20.32 | nevcairiel | i had such landline back in the day when they were still marketing the big homezone, hardly ever used it for anything |
| 19:20.48 | Gnarfoz | they're not marketing it anymore, but they're offering it again it seems |
| 19:21.02 | Gnarfoz | I was kind of stumped for a moment when they asked where I wanted the homezone to be placed |
| 19:21.38 | Gnarfoz | I don't even recall the landline number right now, haha |
| 19:21.50 | nevcairiel | i dont recall my real landline number |
| 19:21.54 | Gnarfoz | should probably put it in my own contact on the phone so that I can look it up at least |
| 19:21.55 | nevcairiel | its not like i call myself |
| 19:22.01 | nevcairiel | that i did |
| 19:22.17 | Gnarfoz | I wish they could just merge all these numbers |
| 19:22.35 | Gnarfoz | I think they're still blocking SIP on their network |
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| 19:22.47 | Gnarfoz | Android has native support for it :( |
| 19:23.06 | Megalon | naive support h3h3 |
| 19:23.09 | Gnarfoz | even my landline is actually just SIP VoIP anyway |
| 19:23.16 | nevcairiel | well tehy dont want the data network toe be flooded and the phone network to be unused |
| 19:23.37 | Gnarfoz | it's the same network |
| 19:23.40 | Gnarfoz | well, in theory! :p |
| 19:23.46 | Gnarfoz | for my DSL/landline, it is |
| 19:23.52 | Gnarfoz | for 3G, it isn't |
| 19:24.03 | Gnarfoz | but with LTE, it will be... some day |
| 19:24.18 | Gnarfoz | so far, none of the german mobile phone networks do calls over LTE anyway |
| 19:24.25 | Gnarfoz | you always fall back to 3G to make calls |
| 19:25.14 | Gnarfoz | should get busy and implement VoLTE already, I can't imagine that not being the primary goal of any of the providers |
| 19:25.33 | Gnarfoz | it'd mitigate a lot of their congestion issues |
| 19:26.04 | nevcairiel | i imagine LTE is not available in enough areas yet, and adoption in phones is still too low |
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| 19:27.12 | Gnarfoz | still, why not roll it out with all the goodies it can offer? it'd still reduce the load on the 3G and GSM networks, if only by a small factor (limited by, as you said, LTE coverage and LTE phone adoption) |
| 19:27.49 | nevcairiel | also, i |
| 19:27.52 | Gnarfoz | they could even be arseholes and force phone calls over GSM instead of 3G so they can turn 3G into an all-data thing |
| 19:28.11 | Gnarfoz | well, turning 3G into a pure data network would probably not do much ^^ |
| 19:28.12 | nevcairiel | also, i'm starting to feel the certain tech urge to get a phone with LTE, just because its LTE |
| 19:28.21 | Gnarfoz | hehe, you don't say? :D |
| 19:28.40 | Gnarfoz | I should drive somewhere where there's LTE just to try it out :D |
| 19:28.52 | nevcairiel | its not like i couldn't afford buying a new phone just 6 month after the last one, but it really seems wasteful |
| 19:29.14 | Gnarfoz | could also just sell the old one :p |
| 19:29.20 | nevcairiel | i broke it |
| 19:29.24 | nevcairiel | well kinda |
| 19:29.31 | nevcairiel | glas on the back is cracked |
| 19:29.36 | nevcairiel | hard to sell |
| 19:30.20 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 19:30.32 | Megalon | just tell them it's the deisgner version |
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| 19:30.35 | Megalon | unique |
| 19:30.39 | Megalon | hipster material |
| 19:31.03 | nevcairiel | maybe i'll look into a google s4 once it hits europe |
| 19:32.02 | nevcairiel | i have no idea if its the LTE variant though |
| 19:32.36 | nevcairiel | anyway, time for some tv |
| 19:32.57 | Gnarfoz | it's not going to hit europe, nevcairiel |
| 19:33.31 | Megalon | psh, don't tell him |
| 19:33.40 | Gnarfoz | and it's going to be the Snapdragon variant afaik, so yeah, LTE |
| 19:47.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: http://www.telefonica.de/news/3376/msg/0/4947/0/pressemitteilung.html aha :-) So at least, they're indeed going that route |
| 19:54.39 | Gnarfoz | bzw http://blog.telefonica.de/2013/02/durchbruch-bei-lte-erste-uebergaben-von-telefonaten-aus-o2-lte-4g-ins-3g-umts-netz/ |
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| 20:17.16 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: i thought 3g was data only and voice calls always used GSM |
| 20:19.32 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yeah that is one thing thas to work with the spoty LTE network ;) |
| 20:20.18 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: no, 3g has voice, many carriers didnt use it for a long time though |
| 20:20.28 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 20:23.37 | nevcairiel | also, screw google with their US focus as of late |
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| 20:27.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: blame EU, too many regulations ;) |
| 20:28.58 | nevcairiel | apparently, the LTE -> 3G switch tech needs phone support, that sounds like its going to be a long time |
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| 21:35.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not sure what to think of that "the first VoLTE devices in Europe" shot... |
| 21:36.40 | Gnarfoz | I can't identify the phones in the picture... but their lab devices are from Qualcomm, which makes me think their latest retail chipset is probably capable of that SRVCC thing |
| 21:37.23 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 21:37.30 | nevcairiel | but who knows |
| 21:39.21 | Gnarfoz | Qualcomm probably does! :D |
| 21:42.01 | Gnarfoz | hm... when does Dropbox give me db.tt link and when a dropbox.com link? :\ |
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| 21:59.19 | Gnarfoz | https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=242031#c18 I hope that lands in the Chrome dev channel soon |
| 21:59.22 | Gnarfoz | getting mad :P |
| 22:00.42 | nevcairiel | i know why i stopped using chrome dev |
| 22:00.52 | nevcairiel | my browser doing weird things is just too annoying |
| 22:01.38 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
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| 22:17.31 | Gnarfoz | can you access MTP devices from the windows command line? |
| 22:38.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: unfortunately, dmesg is pretty much useless. just like logcat, it's incredibly spammy and flooded with stuff nobody wants to know :D (battery charge states, usb polling, 802.11 debug messages... it doesn't look remotely like on a regular linux box :() |
| 22:39.53 | Gnarfoz | well, at least the output of 'dmesg' is. no idea where /var/log/dmesg might be |
| 22:40.41 | Gnarfoz | apparently: nowhere. find / -type f -iname 'dmesg' doesn't get any hits |
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| 23:05.20 | silentium | man dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer |
| 23:05.38 | silentium | dmesg doesnt need a log file to work |
| 23:08.58 | silentium | but you can filter its output by log levels, --help is your friend |
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| 23:41.46 | Torhal | Parnic: Just caught the Doctor Who reference in BL2. |
| 23:43.15 | Torhal | pompy: ^ |
| 23:48.10 | Gnarfoz | silentium: Android, not Linux |
| 23:48.18 | Gnarfoz | --help does nothing |
| 23:48.54 | Gnarfoz | and it's called a "ring buffer" for a reason. the log file is not the /source/, it's the output. |
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