| 00:13.56 | znf | Gnarfoz, I figured out how it works. I got naked except the closest item level I had to the trinket I didn't have (like, I had a neck piece with an item id of 104544, the trinket was 104547 or something like that). Then I changed the export string manually by a few numbers and the slot |
| 00:16.09 | quiescens | a wizard did it |
| 00:16.25 | Torhal | Was that even a full sentence, znf? |
| 00:16.41 | znf | I dunno |
| 00:16.43 | znf | I just woke up |
| 00:16.56 | quiescens | full sentences are overrated |
| 00:21.50 | Humbedooh | so are cookies |
| 00:22.55 | quiescens | cookie are good ): |
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| 00:27.01 | Gnarfoz | znf: you... what? sorry, I didn't understand a word :D |
| 00:27.19 | Gnarfoz | but maybe I also forgot what you wanted to do |
| 00:27.24 | znf | Gnarfoz, paste me a string from AMR |
| 00:27.26 | Gnarfoz | didn't you want to add an item you didn't have? |
| 00:27.27 | znf | I don't have the game opened |
| 00:27.29 | znf | yes |
| 00:27.40 | Gnarfoz | so what does itemlevel have to do with it :o |
| 00:28.07 | znf | not item level, item id |
| 00:28.13 | znf | my bad :P |
| 00:29.50 | znf | mkay, found a string: http://pastie.org/pastes/8703054 |
| 00:30.30 | znf | You see at the end of the string there's some blocks like "131s11u2a-14r53" |
| 00:31.03 | znf | "131" is what remains of the item id, after compression, s11 is the slot, u2 is the upgrade level of the item |
| 00:31.26 | znf | "131" == last_item_id - current_item_id or something like that |
| 00:33.26 | znf | Gnarfoz, so what I had to work with was this: |
| 00:33.33 | znf | I had this item: http://www.wowhead.com/item=105473 |
| 00:33.41 | znf | And I wanted this item equipped: http://www.wowhead.com/item=105474 |
| 00:35.37 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 00:35.40 | znf | so what I did was I got naked |
| 00:35.42 | Gnarfoz | if the upgrade level is exposed |
| 00:35.45 | znf | and equipped the neck piece |
| 00:35.45 | Gnarfoz | I can just increase that |
| 00:35.47 | Gnarfoz | I have the item |
| 00:36.09 | znf | then it's even easier :P |
| 00:36.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:36.17 | Torhal | You're pervs, saying shit like "naked" and "exposed" |
| 00:36.22 | Gnarfoz | it's all him! |
| 00:36.29 | Gnarfoz | points |
| 00:36.29 | Torhal | [18:35:42] <Gnarfoz> if the upgrade level is exposed |
| 00:36.33 | Gnarfoz | dang |
| 00:36.35 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:36.41 | Gnarfoz | hides |
| 00:37.03 | Gnarfoz | whoever thought it was a good idea to teach you copy & paste |
| 00:37.04 | Gnarfoz | ;o |
| 00:37.08 | znf | Gnarfoz, so, to continue, I had this string when I got naked: http://pastie.org/8720585 in there you can see there's "51s2u2r3" |
| 00:37.17 | znf | item id 51, s2 |
| 00:37.19 | Gnarfoz | when you still have a string, you're not naked! |
| 00:37.22 | Gnarfoz | (blah blah) |
| 00:37.34 | znf | I changed that to 52s13u2 and bam :P |
| 00:37.41 | Megalon | good old "typisches quote-aus-kontext-rausreissing" |
| 00:38.08 | znf | the result is: http://i.imgur.com/BNPuuqN.png |
| 00:38.09 | znf | :P |
| 00:38.20 | znf | (silly mr robot with his compression thingie) |
| 00:38.52 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 00:40.16 | Torhal | Go to wake, quiescens. |
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| 00:52.36 | Gnarfoz | the compression is really weird |
| 00:53.05 | Gnarfoz | swapping two items results in nothing but the "s7" (slot 7, legs) changing places |
| 00:53.40 | Gnarfoz | that's be perfectly ok with me |
| 00:53.56 | Gnarfoz | if both strings looked like this: 0s7u2a223b-181e1r52 |
| 00:54.22 | Gnarfoz | that's my usual leg slot item |
| 00:54.35 | Gnarfoz | if I swap to the other one, the s7 goes here: 1s7 |
| 00:54.36 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 00:54.55 | Gnarfoz | and the original string now looks like this: 0u2a223b-181e1r52 |
| 00:55.04 | Gnarfoz | (just the s7 is missing) |
| 00:55.59 | Gnarfoz | I'm assuming they assign indexes to every item in your inventory... but, as soon as I equip that item, it's no longer in the inventory |
| 00:56.04 | Gnarfoz | so... that doesn't really make sense |
| 00:56.05 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:01.44 | Torhal | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a bag slot. |
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| 01:08.26 | JC33 | can blp files be quickly re-encoded into bmp ? |
| 01:08.46 | Gnarfoz | to png, yes |
| 01:09.55 | Gnarfoz | I don't have any "u0" items, so that's not how that's represented |
| 01:10.26 | znf | u4 I think |
| 01:10.33 | znf | u4 == no upgrades |
| 01:11.40 | JC33 | yeah i saw the png, was hoping to skip the conversion BLP>PNG>BMP to just BLP>BMP |
| 01:12.15 | JC33 | cause i'm using VB6 here as my main ide. No PNG support without some manual work, then it's time consuming processing-wise. |
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| 01:13.01 | znf | well, for what you're doing you don't need an alpha channel |
| 01:13.27 | Gnarfoz | vb...6? what |
| 01:13.38 | Gnarfoz | no thanks xD |
| 01:13.46 | JC33 | mmm i love vb6 |
| 01:13.54 | JC33 | but to each their own |
| 01:14.08 | znf | isn't that like, years old? :P |
| 01:14.13 | Gnarfoz | no, decades. |
| 01:14.13 | JC33 | 1998 |
| 01:14.16 | znf | O.O |
| 01:14.18 | znf | wtf man? |
| 01:14.30 | JC33 | hey man i started with VB3 |
| 01:14.38 | JC33 | but i dislike .net XD |
| 01:15.01 | znf | Go learn AutoIT :P |
| 01:15.11 | znf | is doing something in AutoIT now |
| 01:15.18 | JC33 | pfft i'll hook that little proggie into my VB6 apps with 2 lines of code. |
| 01:15.45 | JC33 | i'm a 3boxer though so autohotkey is a must lol |
| 01:16.03 | znf | you mean like this? :P |
| 01:16.03 | znf | $sStatus = RunWait('tools\convert.exe -background #181818 "' & $ImageFile & '" -resize 1280x1280^> -gravity center -extent 1280x720 temp\background.png', "", @SW_HIDE); |
| 01:16.43 | JC33 | commandline blp conversion? :P |
| 01:16.57 | JC33 | gimme thaaaat |
| 01:17.10 | JC33 | what you doing in autoit, anyway? |
| 01:17.42 | znf | Just some silly project. Takes an image and a mp3 or whatever audio file and converts it to a video with some sort of visualization |
| 01:18.12 | znf | JC33, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8uHTIXO0p0 |
| 01:18.17 | JC33 | oh, YOU're where those youtube videos came from. LOL |
| 01:18.26 | JC33 | <3 |
| 01:18.35 | znf | well, not yet, my project is not done :P |
| 01:18.58 | znf | I was looking to make a video like that, without rendering 5 days in After Effects |
| 01:19.01 | JC33 | that is some mini-mini-minimal |
| 01:19.44 | znf | the trickiest part was to actually generate the waveform |
| 01:19.54 | JC33 | wait. |
| 01:20.00 | JC33 | you're doing this in that autohotkey thing? |
| 01:20.04 | znf | not really |
| 01:20.12 | JC33 | was gonna say xD |
| 01:20.14 | znf | I'm only making the GUI in it |
| 01:20.23 | JC33 | Whaaaat?? |
| 01:20.54 | JC33 | so that's the new .C text file compiler-type-thing these days, huh? |
| 01:21.07 | znf | anyway, what I'm using to generate the waveform is done with WPF. I took a demo of an audio player and tore it apart to generate a .png from an input :P |
| 01:21.53 | JC33 | So you are basically looking to do some cool winamp visualization algorithms PLUS you have the added variables of a full image file. cool. |
| 01:22.43 | znf | Kind of, yeah |
| 01:22.58 | znf | Right now I got it to 2 types of "visualization" |
| 01:23.06 | znf | One that you saw, and the other which looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/1CesREz.jpg |
| 01:23.14 | znf | (and it only takes a single line with ffmpeg) |
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| 01:24.30 | znf | And the other thing is something like: |
| 01:24.30 | znf | ffmpeg -y -i a.mp3 -loop 1 -i frame.png -i wave.png -i progress.png -filter_complex "[1][2]overlay=x=0:y=H-h:eval=init[over];[over]drawtext=fontfile=impact.ttf:fontsize=72:text='ARTIST - SONG':x=(w-text_w)/2:y=(h-150-text_h):fontcolor=white:shadowy=2:shadowx=2:shadowcolor=black[text];[text][3] overlay=x='floor(if(lt(-W+(n)*0.85333,0), -W+(n)*0.85333))':y=H-h:format=rgb" -shortest -vcodec libx264 -pix_fmt yuv420p -preset ultrafast -crf 20 video.mp4 -report |
| 01:25.08 | znf | JC33, anyway, back to your blp to bmp thingie |
| 01:25.21 | znf | You could run imagemagick's convert.exe to do it |
| 01:25.27 | znf | convert input.blp output.bmp |
| 01:27.43 | JC33 | hmm |
| 01:27.55 | JC33 | how long does this typically take on a medium end machine? i need FAST |
| 01:28.16 | JC33 | BUT... once something is converted once I can keep it forever, so a background thread is possible, if convert.exe is FAST |
| 01:28.39 | znf | less than a second would be my guess |
| 01:29.14 | JC33 | yeah it'll have to be a background process then |
| 01:29.58 | znf | I don't have a .blp to test :P |
| 01:30.03 | JC33 | Do you know if there are any legit drawing functions available in the WOW Lua in-game to draw colored rectangles? If anyone has any suggestions to research, thank you very much :) |
| 01:30.19 | JC33 | (just started 2 days ago here on the lua side :P) |
| 01:30.50 | znf | You'll get the same answer you got in wowuidev :P |
| 01:31.15 | JC33 | got a perfect answer |
| 01:31.18 | JC33 | QR |
| 01:31.28 | JC33 | That's tomorrow's fun for me. lol |
| 01:31.43 | JC33 | but you never know... room full of geniuses and all. :) |
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| 01:34.36 | znf | Oh. My wordpress plugin has been approved! |
| 01:36.24 | JC33 | what's it do? |
| 01:36.30 | Gnarfoz | eat MORE cpu |
| 01:36.33 | Gnarfoz | on top of what wordpress does |
| 01:36.41 | JC33 | lol gnar grumpy old man |
| 01:36.51 | JC33 | "back in my day we had 100mb of ram" |
| 01:36.55 | znf | Gnarfoz, why isn't "git svn" a valid command for me?!?? |
| 01:36.58 | znf | git: 'svn' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. |
| 01:37.01 | Gnarfoz | you don't need to be a grumpy old man to hate on Wordpress |
| 01:37.13 | Gnarfoz | znf: why the hell would it be |
| 01:37.20 | znf | http://git-scm.com/book/ch8-1.html because?! |
| 01:37.50 | znf | freakin |
| 01:37.54 | znf | freakin' wordpress and their svn |
| 01:38.12 | Gnarfoz | as far as I now, git-svn is not part of git at all |
| 01:38.20 | Gnarfoz | (which makes that page a bit weird) |
| 01:38.50 | Gnarfoz | you should check if you can install a package like 'git-svn' or something |
| 01:39.06 | znf | yeah, I found it |
| 01:39.09 | znf | thought it was part of it |
| 01:39.18 | znf | how the hell do I push this stuff to svn |
| 01:42.26 | znf | meh, I'll settle for manual mode |
| 01:43.54 | znf | There we go! http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-imagelightbox/ |
| 01:44.40 | JC33 | you making commercial or just for personal? |
| 01:45.03 | znf | Personal |
| 01:45.07 | Megalon | here we go, yahooooooooo |
| 01:45.13 | Megalon | woo ha hoohoo! |
| 01:45.29 | znf | man, whatever pills you're taking, I want some |
| 01:45.34 | Gnarfoz | znf: btw: no u4 in my AMR string, either |
| 01:45.43 | znf | Gnarfoz, hmm, I don't remember :P |
| 01:45.55 | Megalon | siglemic pills :( |
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| 01:46.10 | Gnarfoz | I guess breaking up the string on ; isn't really a good fi |
| 01:46.10 | Gnarfoz | t |
| 01:46.16 | Gnarfoz | too many single "1;"s |
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| 01:46.57 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could just short-circuit the compression function in the addon, see what that does |
| 01:46.59 | znf | I stopped bothering after I figured out how it worked :D |
| 01:47.10 | Gnarfoz | I haven't :| |
| 01:47.13 | znf | (well, how it worked for my case) |
| 01:52.20 | JC33 | what you trying to do, gnar? |
| 01:52.44 | JC33 | sounds like half a decompressed variable. lol |
| 01:54.31 | znf | he's trying to do some silly things with ask mr. robot |
| 01:56.14 | JC33 | oh. server-side decryption/decompression? |
| 01:58.42 | znf | no |
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| 02:07.08 | Gnarfoz | wowhead channel is sad to watch |
| 02:07.32 | Gnarfoz | lines upon lines of someone talking to himself |
| 02:07.45 | Gnarfoz | (well, I know he's talking to Amarande, but... ;p) |
| 02:08.25 | znf | you mean wowuidev |
| 02:08.36 | znf | oh, wowhead |
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| 02:28.11 | JC33 | yeah that's me |
| 02:28.34 | JC33 | but amarande is one of the few with actual communication ability and intelligence |
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| 02:31.04 | znf | well, crap |
| 02:31.08 | znf | I opened up Adobe Fireworks |
| 02:31.10 | znf | I crashed my GPU somehow |
| 02:31.22 | znf | my driver, anyway |
| 02:31.51 | znf | I see only this: http://i.imgur.com/CLEbBpq.png |
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| 02:34.36 | znf | how the hell do I restart this thing |
| 02:39.59 | Megalon | :o |
| 02:41.54 | znf | I managed to fix my screen, but no chance to restart dwm.exe |
| 02:47.13 | quiescens | grats |
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| 03:46.42 | Stanzilla | can't sleep :< |
| 03:47.23 | Stanzilla | znf: I'm interested in your project |
| 03:48.19 | znf | Which one? The video thingie? |
| 03:49.38 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 03:50.01 | Stanzilla | my brother does club mixes and needs something simple to make youtube videos out of them |
| 03:50.09 | Stanzilla | something similiar to what you are doing |
| 03:50.34 | znf | Its work in progress. I got most of it completed (ie: ffmpeg). I just need to finish the UI part |
| 03:51.14 | znf | Will finish it this week for sure |
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| 03:51.43 | znf | Will let you know |
| 03:52.29 | Stanzilla | nice, thanks |
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| 13:34.40 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 13:35.35 | Stanzilla | 04:40:06 ∙ JC33: [03:28:09] but amarande is one of the few with actual communication ability and intelligence < W T F |
| 13:35.35 | znf | dat flappy birds game, man... dat flappy birds |
| 13:37.13 | mitch0 | znf: and the removal was apparently just a clever marketing move ;) |
| 13:37.27 | znf | was it? it's still removed |
| 13:38.25 | mitch0 | is it? this morning I still saw it on the play store |
| 13:38.38 | znf | wasnt' last night |
| 13:38.40 | znf | let me check |
| 13:38.45 | Stanzilla | mitch0: there are auctions with phones with it installed on ebay |
| 13:38.48 | Stanzilla | for over 100k |
| 13:39.07 | mitch0 | erm |
| 13:39.13 | znf | https://play.google.com/store/search?q=flappy%20bird |
| 13:39.15 | znf | it's not there |
| 13:39.18 | nevcairiel | those are more fake then anything :p |
| 13:39.20 | mitch0 | I have it here |
| 13:39.29 | mitch0 | clicking install now |
| 13:39.31 | znf | Stanzilla, or you could just, you know, jailbreak your phone :P |
| 13:39.37 | mitch0 | downloading |
| 13:39.41 | mitch0 | done |
| 13:39.59 | mitch0 | gears studios. is that the real thing? |
| 13:40.14 | znf | yeah |
| 13:40.17 | znf | it's not on my play store |
| 13:40.23 | mitch0 | strange |
| 13:40.30 | mitch0 | it's on the EU one (if there's such a thing) |
| 13:41.04 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: can't you just install the apk? |
| 13:41.14 | znf | yeah you can |
| 13:41.25 | Stanzilla | mitch0: iphone |
| 13:41.26 | mitch0 | so what's the friggin point of buying a phone "preinstalled" |
| 13:41.40 | mitch0 | ah, the dumbphone |
| 13:41.43 | mitch0 | ;P |
| 13:42.56 | Workfoz | Stanzilla: lol, dat amarande comment |
| 13:43.00 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 13:43.02 | Stanzilla | like wtf |
| 13:43.14 | nevcairiel | maybe dagmar was his only alternative |
| 13:43.29 | mitch0 | uninstall finished |
| 13:45.24 | Stanzilla | Workfoz: awesome quizduell round questions |
| 13:45.32 | Stanzilla | "what kind of animal is bugs bunny" |
| 13:48.25 | Workfoz | Stanzilla: dog |
| 13:48.32 | Workfoz | clearly |
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| 13:51.17 | Workfoz | one of our druids is called Usagi |
| 13:52.17 | znf | what's an usagi? |
| 13:52.20 | znf | ah |
| 13:52.28 | znf | apparently I get image results of Sailor Moon |
| 13:52.29 | znf | mkay |
| 13:52.42 | Workfoz | it was a question in our quiz |
| 13:55.03 | Adirelle[work] | any drawbacks to preoroder RoS online on b.net ? (beside not having the discs) |
| 13:55.54 | Stanzilla | nothing for the normal edition |
| 13:56.06 | Stanzilla | loss of swag for the special edition |
| 13:58.13 | nebula169 | assume you can upgrade to the digital deluxe for ingame swag |
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| 14:14.48 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-fan-says-windows-8-is-a-disaster-in-every-sense-of-the-word-2014-2 haaaa |
| 14:15.03 | Fisker | Fanboys are usually dumb Kalroth |
| 14:15.15 | Kalroth | you said Windows 8 was good |
| 14:15.35 | Fisker | yep |
| 14:15.37 | Fisker | and it is |
| 14:15.41 | Kalroth | no it isn't |
| 14:15.41 | Workfoz | I concur |
| 14:15.50 | Workfoz | it's better than setting up multipath at least |
| 14:16.05 | Kalroth | ".. blogger Paul Thurrott of the influential Windows blog Supersite for Windows .." |
| 14:16.10 | Kalroth | see, Paul says it sucks |
| 14:16.15 | Fisker | lol |
| 14:16.15 | Kalroth | and he runs a superman site for windows |
| 14:16.26 | Fisker | nobody's taken paul seriously in this millenium |
| 14:16.31 | nebula169 | "Windows 8 is a disaster in every sense of the word. This is not open to debate, is not part of some cute imaginary world where everyone's opinion is equally valid or whatever. Windows 8 is a disaster. Period." |
| 14:16.33 | Kalroth | Paul vs Fisker? I think I know who I'll trust |
| 14:16.34 | nebula169 | sounds legit |
| 14:17.07 | Kalroth | Where do you think Balmer went? He was clearly the Windows 8 scapegoat |
| 14:17.22 | Fisker | Doesn't mean Windows 8 is bad nebula169 |
| 14:17.28 | Fisker | nice distinction to make |
| 14:17.35 | Kalroth | yes it does |
| 14:17.37 | nebula169 | i just think anyone that talks in absolutes is a fucking idiot |
| 14:17.45 | Fisker | good |
| 14:17.50 | Fisker | Irony though |
| 14:17.54 | nebula169 | :p |
| 14:17.55 | Kalroth | when something is a disaster in every sense of the word, it's usually bad |
| 14:18.05 | Kalroth | like Fisker bad! |
| 14:18.08 | Fisker | Not really Kalroth |
| 14:18.17 | Kalroth | yes really |
| 14:18.20 | Fisker | nope |
| 14:18.29 | Fisker | Consider another disaster if you will |
| 14:18.50 | Kalroth | like a bus full of Windows 8 fanboys driving off a cliff? |
| 14:18.53 | Fisker | Vista was a disaster mostly because it was technologically challenged, i.e. the product was bad |
| 14:19.05 | Fisker | Windows 8 is a disaster because it's cool to hate on it |
| 14:19.15 | Kalroth | no, that's where you're wrong |
| 14:19.25 | Fisker | nope |
| 14:19.29 | nebula169 | but i'm mostly ok with windows 8, don't interact with metro much other than pressing win key, typing a program name and hitting enter |
| 14:19.39 | Fisker | for example trying to launch it as a tablet OS |
| 14:19.42 | Kalroth | windows 8 is a disaster because it's crap, Metro/Modern UI is the worst idea to come out of Redmond, and that includes Clippy |
| 14:19.46 | Fisker | bad business decision |
| 14:19.48 | Fisker | not bad os |
| 14:19.48 | nebula169 | annoyed with 8.1 that it removed my ability to leave metro on an off screen |
| 14:19.51 | Fisker | difference |
| 14:19.58 | Kalroth | Vista was fixable, you could configure it to be usable |
| 14:19.59 | Fisker | also bai |
| 14:20.03 | Kalroth | Windows 8 isn't |
| 14:20.19 | Fisker | It wasn't really |
| 14:20.19 | Workfoz | uhm |
| 14:20.21 | Workfoz | have you used it |
| 14:20.21 | Fisker | But bai |
| 14:20.26 | Kalroth | yes i have |
| 14:20.30 | Workfoz | apparently not recently |
| 14:20.32 | *** join/#wowace SunTsu (miyamoto@unaffiliated/suntsu) |
| 14:20.36 | nevcairiel | vista wasn't usable until like at least one if not two service packs later :p |
| 14:20.46 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: SP1 came fast though :) |
| 14:20.56 | Workfoz | it's easily configurable so that you don't deal with metro except for the start screen |
| 14:21.09 | Kalroth | Workfoz: without buying external apps and software? |
| 14:21.13 | Workfoz | sure |
| 14:21.22 | Workfoz | and even there, it's ok, if you can stomach not having "folders" |
| 14:21.25 | nevcairiel | there is free variants, no buying involved! |
| 14:21.36 | Workfoz | but since it's fullscreen, way more fits on the screen |
| 14:21.41 | Kalroth | yes, that's another issue |
| 14:21.49 | Workfoz | not sure if some of the options I'm using are maybe in 8.1u1 |
| 14:21.51 | Workfoz | which isn't out yet |
| 14:21.55 | Kalroth | my desktop isn't a fucking tablet, fullscreen mode is idiotic |
| 14:21.55 | Workfoz | but I think most of them are in 8.1 |
| 14:22.05 | Workfoz | how long do you keep your start menu open |
| 14:22.08 | Workfoz | for that to be an issue |
| 14:22.15 | Workfoz | start menu is open for like 3 seconds max |
| 14:22.24 | Workfoz | doesn't matter if it's fullscreen or not |
| 14:22.29 | Kalroth | yes it does |
| 14:22.30 | Fisker | fullscreen mode is irrelevant |
| 14:22.34 | nevcairiel | I agree that fullscreen sucks, try using a 30" which is flashing the whole screen |
| 14:22.37 | Workfoz | for what does it matter? |
| 14:22.38 | Fisker | start menu hasn't been in use since Vista |
| 14:22.42 | nevcairiel | but i just dont use it |
| 14:23.11 | Workfoz | don't tell me "it interrupts my workflow", because your workflow at that moment is "starting a program", you're not doing something else at the time |
| 14:23.12 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: so the alternative to shitty features is going back to windows 3.11 and launching everything from a Run .. prompt? :) |
| 14:23.22 | Workfoz | and as soon as you've started the program, the fullscreen start menu is gone again |
| 14:23.33 | znf | there was nothing wrong with Win7's features |
| 14:23.40 | Workfoz | Kalroth: uh, windows 3.1 had program manager, wtf would you need run for |
| 14:23.41 | znf | except they're outdated by win8 standards :P |
| 14:23.42 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: its just disruptive visually |
| 14:23.49 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: really? disrupting *what* |
| 14:24.00 | znf | Workfoz, a fullscreen flash is disruptive! :D |
| 14:24.03 | Workfoz | also, with 8.1 at least, you can make it have your desktop background, instead of its own thing |
| 14:24.05 | Kalroth | Windows 7 is a great desktop OS, znf, Windows 8 is probably a great tablet OS |
| 14:24.10 | Workfoz | so it looks just like a half-transparent overlay |
| 14:24.23 | znf | Kalroth, no, win8 is a great Desktop OS, except the metro crap |
| 14:24.24 | Workfoz | Kalroth: win8 in desktop mode is also a great desktop os |
| 14:24.31 | znf | also, I managed to crash dwm.exe last night |
| 14:24.31 | Stanzilla | windows 8 is a great desktop os |
| 14:24.33 | znf | so everything metro broke |
| 14:24.36 | Kalroth | znf: Windows 8 IS metro/modern UI |
| 14:24.39 | znf | I had to reboot completely |
| 14:24.39 | Workfoz | uhm |
| 14:24.41 | Workfoz | no |
| 14:24.42 | *** join/#wowace bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-32.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 14:24.45 | Workfoz | Windows 8 is everything that's included |
| 14:24.46 | Fisker | it's funny Workfoz |
| 14:24.48 | Kalroth | if you remove metro, then it's just windows 7 with a newer kernel |
| 14:24.53 | Workfoz | not just what you want to hate on |
| 14:25.08 | Workfoz | it's the NT 6 kernel anyway, which it has been since vista |
| 14:25.10 | Fisker | I find most people complaining about the start menu in 8 didn't know that you could use the start menu as a combined run menu since vista |
| 14:25.15 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: its just disrupting by itself. When i want to launch a quick calculator to check some numbers while working, i dont need my whole screen changing color. I see no benefit, only downsides, hence I don't use it. Accept that it may be subjective already :P |
| 14:25.32 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: evil colours :( |
| 14:25.35 | Stanzilla | win8 is way more efficient and cleaned up than 7 |
| 14:25.42 | Kalroth | Stanzilla: please elaborate |
| 14:25.43 | znf | I couldn't use Win8 without Start8 :( |
| 14:25.48 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: win, c, enter (depending on how often you use calc, maybe "win, calc, enter") |
| 14:26.09 | quiescens | nerf workfoz |
| 14:26.10 | znf | to run calc I just do win+r -> calc :P |
| 14:26.11 | nevcairiel | yes thats how i use it, and when i press the win key, all screen vanishes |
| 14:26.18 | Stanzilla | Kalroth: I think there was a talk by sinofsky about it |
| 14:26.19 | nevcairiel | so... why does it do that? |
| 14:26.24 | nevcairiel | why would i want it to do that? |
| 14:26.25 | Stanzilla | how they improved system services etc |
| 14:26.25 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: what are you losing? |
| 14:26.32 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I get that it's optically weird |
| 14:26.33 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: what am i gaining? |
| 14:26.41 | Workfoz | nothing? but you have no drawbacks either *shrug* |
| 14:26.48 | znf | yeah you d |
| 14:26.50 | znf | do |
| 14:26.51 | Workfoz | it's not like it has some annoying 1 second animation |
| 14:26.51 | nevcairiel | ther optical weirdness is a drawback :P |
| 14:26.56 | *** join/#wowace Ressy (~resa1983@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 14:27.12 | Kalroth | you lose sight of your desktop |
| 14:27.17 | Kalroth | why hide it? |
| 14:27.28 | znf | the start menu takes like 15% of your screen space when you open it |
| 14:27.32 | znf | not 100% like the metro crap :P |
| 14:27.35 | Workfoz | Kalroth: like I said 3 minutes ago: you're not watching your desktop in that moment anyway, since you're starting a program |
| 14:27.35 | Kalroth | you're just opening another application, why hide the entire desktop? |
| 14:27.39 | Kalroth | you're just opening another application, why hide the entire desktop? |
| 14:27.51 | nevcairiel | plus i still dislike the whole way of finding stuff in there. If i dont know how something is called, i can usually find it pretty easily in the tree structure of the start menu. On the windows 8 start screen? not so easy |
| 14:27.59 | Workfoz | seriously, with that kind of arguing, you're better off in #ej xD |
| 14:28.11 | Workfoz | Xi style for life |
| 14:28.12 | Kalroth | Workfoz: and your arguing is better? |
| 14:28.23 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: your argument is "deal with it", thats not very much of an argument either :p |
| 14:28.23 | Stanzilla | finding something is the same in both environments, really |
| 14:28.26 | Stanzilla | just start typing |
| 14:28.27 | Workfoz | Kalroth: at least I'm answering your stuff |
| 14:28.32 | Kalroth | you haven't made a single solid argument yet, you're repeating yourself over and over |
| 14:28.34 | Workfoz | instead of just spamming lines |
| 14:28.34 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: i said if i dont know the name anymore :p |
| 14:28.50 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: you will like the change in u1 then |
| 14:28.55 | Kalroth | what is the purpose of covering the entire desktop? |
| 14:28.57 | Stanzilla | the "all apps" are now sorted by name |
| 14:29.08 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: how does that help if i dont know the name? |
| 14:29.15 | nevcairiel | I like tree structures :( |
| 14:29.19 | Kalroth | i'm looking forward to windows 9, supposedly they're doing to make it a desktop OS again |
| 14:29.30 | znf | Kalroth, I think that will happen sooner than win9 :D |
| 14:29.37 | Workfoz | it has already happened *shrug* |
| 14:29.46 | Kalroth | what company was selling Windows 7 licenses again? HP? |
| 14:29.49 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: tree structure does not help finding things |
| 14:30.05 | Stanzilla | because most of the time the folder names already give away the app name |
| 14:30.19 | Kalroth | "most of the time" |
| 14:30.22 | Stanzilla | and the app screen almost does away with folders so it's just app names |
| 14:30.33 | Workfoz | znf: in the win7 start menu, 95% of my use was the MRU list, or just typing a program name right away... I almost never had to use the "all programs" list... for me, nothing has changed with the win 8 start screen. On the contrary, since the MRU list is gone, I just use the "start" screen as a big "MRU" list, where I pin what I use the most |
| 14:30.42 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: they do, but the "All Apps" screen showss *everything* from *all* folders, its just a whole load of crap on mine :D |
| 14:30.45 | znf | no folder names in win8 start crap! |
| 14:30.46 | znf | or are there?! |
| 14:30.46 | znf | has no idea |
| 14:30.46 | znf | I used that for 30 seconds |
| 14:30.52 | Kalroth | it's not like companies likes to hide programs in a subfolder like EA\EA Sports\2014\Hockey YEAH |
| 14:31.03 | znf | Workfoz, that's the thing, I LOVE MY MRU LIST |
| 14:31.18 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: that is mostly because most installers still keep adding shit to those start menu folders instead of just a shortcut to the app |
| 14:31.21 | znf | Workfoz, and that requires manual work to sort it |
| 14:31.24 | znf | I don't want to do manual shit |
| 14:31.30 | nevcairiel | try installing a bunch of microsoft SDKs, they put so much crap in your start menu .. in the tree its hidden in some subfolder and never bugs you |
| 14:31.30 | znf | I want it automatic, like it used to be in Win7 |
| 14:31.32 | Workfoz | znf: so pin your shit to start like I just said? too much effort? (I get that "effort > 0" seems to be a valid complaint here...) |
| 14:31.34 | nevcairiel | but OMG start screen |
| 14:31.37 | nevcairiel | its full of shit now! |
| 14:31.40 | znf | Exactly! |
| 14:31.44 | znf | it's more than 0 effort :) |
| 14:31.48 | Kalroth | you're supposed to rub your screen gently |
| 14:31.49 | Workfoz | so don't install win8 |
| 14:31.51 | Workfoz | that was also effort |
| 14:31.55 | Kalroth | we didnt |
| 14:31.59 | Workfoz | he certainly did |
| 14:32.01 | znf | but win8 pays off to be installed! |
| 14:32.07 | Workfoz | how? |
| 14:32.08 | Kalroth | well he probably listened to you guys |
| 14:32.11 | znf | then as soon as your first boot, install Start8 |
| 14:32.11 | Workfoz | I thought it sucks |
| 14:32.11 | Kalroth | so he's stuck with it |
| 14:32.11 | znf | :D |
| 14:32.22 | Workfoz | Kalroth: so pityful |
| 14:32.26 | znf | Kalroth, actually I needed more SSD space to stick to Win7 :( |
| 14:32.30 | znf | and I was limited to 120gb |
| 14:32.34 | Kalroth | Workfoz: so defensive |
| 14:32.37 | nevcairiel | Windows 8 doesn't suck, the start screen sucks |
| 14:32.38 | Workfoz | yeah, I was amazed that win8 is actually smaller than win7 |
| 14:32.39 | nevcairiel | well, IMHO anyway |
| 14:32.42 | Stanzilla | also game performance is better on win8 because 7 does not support directx 11.1 and .2 features |
| 14:32.56 | Kalroth | znf: yeah, they can't use up 80GB for a tablet OS :) |
| 14:33.00 | nevcairiel | but the start screen is easily replaced, so i r happy |
| 14:33.04 | Kalroth | so they had to do some clean up |
| 14:33.14 | Workfoz | because win7 is 80 GB! |
| 14:33.14 | Workfoz | lol |
| 14:34.15 | Workfoz | with all the .net stuff, I think mine was 25 GiB or something? still huge, but win 8 is 18 GiB right now :o |
| 14:34.25 | znf | 18gib? :-| |
| 14:34.45 | Workfoz | around that, if I'm not misremembering |
| 14:34.48 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/nlphxps.png |
| 14:34.50 | znf | :-( |
| 14:34.52 | nevcairiel | its hard to measure just windows after you've installed loads of shit |
| 14:35.30 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I upgraded my win7 install, so... that should mean huge win dir? |
| 14:35.41 | nevcairiel | bigger then clean i guess |
| 14:35.42 | Stanzilla | no |
| 14:35.50 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: apparently not |
| 14:35.53 | nevcairiel | since all your previous app shit still exists in there |
| 14:35.54 | Stanzilla | if you use the clean up feature |
| 14:36.01 | Workfoz | why would my apps be in my windows dir |
| 14:36.04 | znf | I upgraded, too |
| 14:36.05 | Workfoz | Stanzilla: which I did |
| 14:36.06 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: znf is a person i trust to install every bloat he finds |
| 14:36.12 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: IN HIS WINDOWS DIR? |
| 14:36.14 | Stanzilla | Workfoz: yeah thought so |
| 14:36.15 | Workfoz | oO |
| 14:36.16 | Stanzilla | mine is 20gb |
| 14:36.16 | znf | what do you mean every bloat? :-/ |
| 14:36.17 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: yes |
| 14:36.21 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: haha ok :) |
| 14:36.23 | quiescens | nevcairiel: at least you can trust him for something |
| 14:36.29 | nevcairiel | extra fonts! |
| 14:36.32 | Workfoz | trust in failure is also a kind of trust |
| 14:36.40 | znf | Actually I have less than ~200 fonts in my WinDir |
| 14:36.41 | quiescens | gives workfoz a cookie |
| 14:36.49 | znf | and that's because I did lots of DTP "back in the days" |
| 14:36.55 | nevcairiel | some apps still like to put drivers in the windows dirs |
| 14:36.59 | Workfoz | 200 fonts isn't even a lot |
| 14:37.06 | Workfoz | apps, drivers? |
| 14:37.07 | Workfoz | what |
| 14:37.11 | znf | wait, my bad |
| 14:37.13 | znf | I have 342 fonts |
| 14:37.17 | nevcairiel | eh, libraries |
| 14:37.40 | znf | The only things I deliberately put into C:\windows was GnuWin32 and the ffmpeg binaries |
| 14:37.47 | znf | oh, and putty/kitty |
| 14:37.49 | Workfoz | why the hell |
| 14:38.02 | Workfoz | would you put ANYTHING that's not part of windows in %windir% |
| 14:38.07 | znf | was too lazy to edit the PATH |
| 14:38.12 | Workfoz | rofl |
| 14:38.21 | Workfoz | it's not like gnuwin32 doesn't have an installer that does that for you, btw |
| 14:38.56 | znf | it just seemed fit to place them there instead of \Program Files :P |
| 14:39.21 | znf | besides, my PATH is huge already :( |
| 14:39.29 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I give up ¯\oO/¯ |
| 14:39.29 | znf | 726 chars long |
| 14:39.48 | Workfoz | who the fuck cares how long your path variable is, do you type it in or see it regularily |
| 14:39.48 | nevcairiel | i told you, znf is one for bloat |
| 14:40.02 | Kalroth | said the metro lover! |
| 14:40.08 | Workfoz | (also, how did you blow it up that bad) |
| 14:40.15 | znf | C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.8.8-Q16;C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD APP\bin\x86_64;C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD APP\bin\x86;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor;C:\Program Files (x86)\Universal Extractor\bin;C:\android-sdk-windows\tools;C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static; |
| 14:40.16 | znf | C:\Windows\GnuWin32\bin;C:\Windows\GnuWin32\sbin;C:\Python;C:\Program Files (x86)\GTK2-Runtime\bin;C:\Python\Scripts;C:\android-sdk-windows\platform-tools;C:\Program Files\TortoiseSVN\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files\TortoiseGit\bin |
| 14:40.21 | Workfoz | I think exactly nobody in here is a "metro lover" btw |
| 14:40.37 | Kalroth | you are, you said everything in win8 |
| 14:40.39 | Workfoz | ? |
| 14:40.50 | Kalroth | unless you mean metro as in metrosexual |
| 14:40.57 | Kalroth | because i got no idea about that |
| 14:41.04 | Workfoz | then why do you say it |
| 14:41.14 | Kalroth | because you might be confused |
| 14:41.21 | Workfoz | do you use gay as a pejorative, too? |
| 14:41.31 | Kalroth | where did i do that? |
| 14:41.46 | Kalroth | but no i don't, that'd be .. |
| 14:42.01 | Workfoz | you just did it with metrosexual |
| 14:42.05 | Workfoz | whatever that means (I have no idea) |
| 14:42.22 | Kalroth | so you're accusing me of something you don't know what means |
| 14:42.30 | Kalroth | sounds like when you're fanboying windows 8 :) |
| 14:42.34 | Workfoz | ? |
| 14:42.48 | Workfoz | I said you're using a word you don't even know the meaning of in a derogatory fashion |
| 14:42.55 | znf | nevcairiel, DEFINE BLOAT |
| 14:43.16 | Kalroth | and i asked you to point out where i was derogatory |
| 14:43.22 | Kalroth | you said you had no idea |
| 14:43.27 | Workfoz | no, that's not what I said |
| 14:43.38 | Workfoz | I said I don't know what metrosexual means |
| 14:43.58 | Kalroth | so you assume it's derogatory because you dont know what it means |
| 14:44.07 | Workfoz | at least you appeared to be, since certainly, in a windows 8 related discussion, there's about zero chance that someone meant "metrosexual" when they said "metro" |
| 14:44.09 | Workfoz | no. |
| 14:44.30 | znf | Stanzilla, you never said if you want a patch or I can commit to WA2 |
| 14:44.36 | Workfoz | YOU used it in a typical way "oh, maybe you mean metroSEXUAL, hurr durr" |
| 14:44.49 | Kalroth | you seemed confused, so i asked if you maybe meant something else |
| 14:45.08 | Kalroth | [15:40:42] <Workfoz> ? |
| 14:45.11 | Kalroth | like there |
| 14:45.13 | Workfoz | yes |
| 14:45.15 | Kalroth | [15:42:36] <Workfoz> ? |
| 14:45.18 | Workfoz | and instead of quoting what you referred to |
| 14:45.18 | Kalroth | and again |
| 14:45.33 | Workfoz | you start this childish bullshit ^^ |
| 14:45.52 | Kalroth | no, you clearly started it, i merely went along |
| 14:46.06 | Workfoz | btw, what I said was in response to "windows 8 without metro is windows 7", and was "no, windows 8 is everything that's in windows 8" |
| 14:46.20 | Workfoz | and was in no relation to "omg <3 <3 <3 metro" |
| 14:46.46 | Kalroth | well one could be mistaken by the way you're defending windows 8 |
| 14:47.35 | Workfoz | clearly, when I just said "I think nobody in here is a 'metro lover'" |
| 14:47.58 | Workfoz | we're pointing out and many of use are of the opinion that windows 8 is a perfectly usable desktop OS |
| 14:48.02 | Workfoz | nothing more, nothing less |
| 14:48.08 | Workfoz | some of us with start menu replacements |
| 14:48.09 | Workfoz | some without |
| 14:48.20 | Kalroth | perfect, eh? |
| 14:48.25 | Workfoz | perfectly usable |
| 14:48.25 | Workfoz | moron |
| 14:48.26 | Workfoz | read |
| 14:48.27 | Workfoz | or gtfo |
| 14:48.30 | Workfoz | seriously |
| 14:48.31 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:48.40 | Kalroth | yes, resort to insulting |
| 14:48.41 | Workfoz | "perfect OS" != "perfectly usable" |
| 14:48.49 | Kalroth | that'll win everybody over |
| 14:48.52 | Workfoz | yes, restort to twisting words |
| 14:48.56 | Workfoz | that wins every argument |
| 14:49.07 | Kalroth | and convince us of how superior windows 8 is |
| 14:49.09 | Workfoz | also, there's nobody to "win over" |
| 14:49.23 | Kalroth | of course not, windows 8 users are already a lost cause |
| 14:49.37 | Workfoz | sure, result to insults, that will win everbody over |
| 14:49.37 | Workfoz | ;-) |
| 14:49.46 | Workfoz | *resort |
| 14:50.06 | Kalroth | i was merely stating a fact, surely it isn't an insult to anyone that likes windows 8?! |
| 14:50.43 | Workfoz | not in the least, of course |
| 14:50.43 | Kalroth | also you should look up the word metrosexual, maybe you'll understand why it was called metro |
| 14:54.03 | Torhal | There will be no prostituting in this channel. |
| 14:54.11 | Workfoz | so, a "metropolitan hetersexual, meticulous about his grooming and appearance" is related to |
| 14:54.12 | Workfoz | "Microsoft's design team cites as an inspiration for the design language signs commonly found at public transport systems; for instance, those found on the King County Metro transit system," |
| 14:54.29 | Humbedooh | Torhal: how will quiescens get his cookies then? :( |
| 14:54.37 | Humbedooh | he loves them cookies |
| 14:54.42 | Workfoz | (of course it is, because Metros exist in metropoles, but... yeah) |
| 14:54.44 | Torhal | Zero fucks. |
| 14:54.54 | Workfoz | he will get them for free? :D |
| 14:54.57 | Workfoz | no fucks required |
| 14:54.58 | Megalon | zero fucks giveth? :( |
| 14:55.03 | Torhal | Megalon: Aye. |
| 14:55.13 | Torhal | Workfoz: You giving him cookies now? |
| 14:55.22 | Workfoz | Workfoz: maybe later (: |
| 14:55.39 | Workfoz | for now, I should probably get back to setting up this Oracle instance :( |
| 14:55.52 | Torhal | Are you talking to yourself, Workfoz? |
| 14:55.56 | Torhal | CRAZY PERSON. |
| 14:55.59 | Workfoz | Torhal: I might be |
| 14:56.21 | Workfoz | I just said I'm setting up an Oracle instance, that's enough proof of craziness |
| 14:56.56 | Torhal | :/ |
| 14:57.09 | Megalon | don't go in dry >:< |
| 15:00.07 | bluipodcow | Znf znf znf znf |
| 15:00.10 | Ressy | Oh fun.. Oracle. >.< |
| 15:00.53 | quiescens | ! |
| 15:01.02 | quiescens | go to sleep humbedooh |
| 15:01.05 | bluipodcow | Lookup y twitter znf |
| 15:01.16 | bluipodcow | *my twitter |
| 15:01.24 | Stanzilla | znf: commit, if you break something, I break you |
| 15:01.43 | znf | bluipodcow, huh? |
| 15:01.49 | quiescens | so violent o.o |
| 15:02.01 | znf | Stanzilla, I'm not sure if I broke the original outline of the auras or not |
| 15:02.09 | znf | I *may* have |
| 15:02.27 | quiescens | pretty much admission of guilt there imo |
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| 15:02.54 | bluipodcow | I put something you may like on my twitter znf ! |
| 15:03.05 | bluipodcow | Flappy doge ! |
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| 15:27.16 | znf | Stanzilla, why is chrome's extension api so gay? :-( |
| 15:27.34 | znf | Stanzilla, like: You can create as many context menu items as you need, but if more than one from your extension is visible at once, Google Chrome automatically collapses them into a single parent menu. |
| 15:32.16 | znf | bluipodcow, get revenge on the bird! http://squishybird.com/ |
| 15:32.35 | quiescens | gives bluipodcow a cookie |
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| 15:36.21 | Stanzilla | dunno znf |
| 15:37.52 | Stanzilla | yo guys |
| 15:37.58 | Stanzilla | my english skill is on vacation atm |
| 15:38.01 | Stanzilla | need halp |
| 15:38.13 | quiescens | its okay |
| 15:38.20 | quiescens | pats stanzilla |
| 15:38.20 | Stanzilla | which one is correct, "if I was using blabla, I would" or "if I were using blabla, I would" |
| 15:38.27 | Stanzilla | meaning that I never used it |
| 15:39.36 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz nevcairiel |
| 15:39.38 | Stanzilla | :E |
| 15:39.56 | quiescens | i guess either could work but would be slightly ambiguous |
| 15:40.26 | nebula169 | you'd use were if you were talking about something you would possibly do, but aren't currently |
| 15:40.33 | nevcairiel | both are not wrong as such, were is the more correct version |
| 15:41.37 | Humbedooh | Stanzilla: it's a hypothetical, so both are valid |
| 15:41.43 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 15:42.00 | Stanzilla | I like the were version better |
| 15:42.10 | Humbedooh | most people use were in hypotheticals, yeah |
| 15:42.29 | Humbedooh | and dwarves |
| 15:42.39 | Humbedooh | "I would stay still if I were you!" |
| 15:43.07 | nebula169 | you would use was in that case >.> |
| 15:43.25 | quiescens | ambiguous! |
| 15:46.59 | nebula169 | nope, i'm wrong, grammar is hard |
| 15:48.08 | nebula169 | but use was if it's a conditional fact, were if it's supposition |
| 15:50.21 | quiescens | i blame stanzilla |
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| 16:01.11 | Timmeh | afaik both forms are "correct" in "counterfactual conditions", in that they are grammatically correct. arguably there is a very small difference in meaning, but since the verb "to be" is the only verb with a "past subjunctive" like that, I think that is a more likely explanation for the form to disappear than a possible subtle difference in meaning. |
| 16:02.09 | quiescens | go to sleep timmeh |
| 16:02.12 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:02.33 | Timmeh | having said that, in my mind "if I was" sounds more "but I'm not", and "if I were" sounds more hypothetical. :-P |
| 16:02.42 | Timmeh | quiescens: butidontwanna! |
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| 18:19.43 | nevcairiel | man i hate dealing with the bureaucracy, numbered forms which all look rather similar, you never know if you need to file both or just one, despite them having mostly the same questions on them |
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| 18:21.39 | Repo | arl: 03resa1983 07master * 2.6.0-15-gfc8f680 / (4 files in 3 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 18:21.39 | Repo | fc8f680: Fix ticket 1601 - Recipe for Icy Chill added back to game |
| 18:21.39 | Repo | b9723cb: Fix ticket 1602 - Daleohm is Neutral, not Horde |
| 18:22.39 | Stanzilla | windows updates are out |
| 18:22.44 | Stanzilla | february rollup http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2919394 |
| 18:23.01 | Stanzilla | 2921066 Computer never goes to sleep even if the timer is set in Windows 8.1 |
| 18:23.06 | Stanzilla | DAYUM |
| 18:23.08 | Stanzilla | I always had that |
| 18:23.17 | nevcairiel | i disable sleep timers on my main pc |
| 18:26.41 | Stanzilla | fix says wifi only |
| 18:26.42 | Stanzilla | dayum² |
| 18:33.44 | znf | Does anyone know if OmniCC tracks all aura timers internally, even if I set "my timers only" in SuF? |
| 18:34.51 | nevcairiel | OmniCC just plants itself on any cooldown models, it doesnt track anything |
| 18:36.04 | znf | Ah |
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| 18:36.24 | znf | So if the unit frame doesn't supply a cooldown model, it shouldn't track |
| 18:40.42 | Workfoz | indeed |
| 18:40.54 | Workfoz | time to become homefoz |
| 18:43.08 | Workfoz | server prepared for le oracles |
| 18:43.23 | nevcairiel | that poor server |
| 18:44.16 | Workfoz | quite |
| 19:11.59 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: http://7pmtech.com/threads/msu-2929488-64bit-update-2-escrow-build.6281/ waiting for leak |
| 19:14.03 | Stanzilla | https://plus.google.com/u/0/100132233764003563318/posts/jLXD66BWoXz |
| 19:24.37 | Stanzilla | also this is hilarious https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JustinCaseAndroid/posts/CXZ2iXPuHHP |
| 20:04.36 | Repo | ouf_adirelle: 03Adirelle 07master * 1.12.1-5-g4bf6f9c (41 files in 7 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 20:04.36 | Repo | 4bf6f9c: Raid units: added the CustomClick element. |
| 20:04.36 | Repo | 90889c3: CustomClick (new): assign a special action on right-click. |
| 20:04.36 | Repo | bbba8eb: We're in 2014 ! |
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| 20:36.00 | znf | The amount of bad luck with this Siegecrafter HC fight is really annoying |
| 20:36.36 | znf | I seem to be getting lasers on me at the worse times (when going on the belt) |
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| 21:02.31 | Primer | worst* |
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| 21:41.01 | Repo | mybags3: 03Takika 07master * v50400-1.7.0-1-g0ab9c6c MyBagsCore/MyBags.lua: [+1 commit] Fix the glowing newitem bug |
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| 21:53.14 | nevcairiel | Just watched Gravity, really liked it too |
| 21:53.32 | Gnarfoz | it's nice |
| 21:53.51 | Gnarfoz | which reminds me, I should look for a version that's not 2 GiB xD |
| 21:54.00 | Gnarfoz | web-dl |
| 21:54.03 | Gnarfoz | whatever that was, if you remember |
| 21:54.08 | nevcairiel | bluray versions are out now |
| 21:54.19 | Gnarfoz | good |
| 22:00.56 | znf | Gravity 2013 1080p BluRay x264-SPARKS |
| 22:08.11 | Gnarfoz | scene crap, no ty |
| 22:28.48 | znf | looks at Gnarfoz |
| 22:28.54 | znf | then take web-dl 2gib |
| 22:29.21 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: What's wrong with scene rips? |
| 22:34.33 | znf | I want to know that, too |
| 22:35.27 | Neffi | Some are bad, but there's some great quality scene rips. If Sparks if what I'm thinking of, their 720p stuff is top notch |
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| 23:30.43 | Stanzilla | did you guys try the new google voice search feature where you say "call mom" and it ask who mom is? |
| 23:30.46 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel maybe |
| 23:30.55 | Stanzilla | or Gnarfoz |
| 23:33.32 | Megalon | and told it to call my fwb and it called your mom |
| 23:33.54 | Megalon | heyoooooooo |
| 23:37.01 | Stanzilla | Megalon: well try it for real |
| 23:37.05 | Stanzilla | it doesnt save the relations for me |
| 23:37.27 | Megalon | oh |
| 23:38.02 | Megalon | same for me |
| 23:38.13 | Stanzilla | ok thx |
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| 23:42.11 | stolenlegacy | LFG_COMPLETION_REWARD seems rather unreliable when it comes to detecting completion of a run |
| 23:42.29 | stolenlegacy | for example, just did a normal scholomance run, and it didn't fire at all |
| 23:42.59 | stolenlegacy | any better ways to detect end of instance? |
| 23:54.24 | nebula169 | stolenlegacy: not really, can use UPDATE_INSTANCE_INFO then check GetSavedInstanceInfo for the dungeon you're in |
| 23:55.07 | nebula169 | not sure how that would work with lfd |
