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| 01:09.40 | pompy | oh no http://doge2048.com/ |
| 01:40.17 | znf | :-( |
| 01:40.19 | znf | old pompy |
| 01:55.16 | pompy | you're old! |
| 01:56.41 | quiescens | gives pompy a cookie |
| 01:58.26 | pompy | mmm |
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| 03:28.28 | Sinaloit | So unless I'm missing something line 85 of AceHook-3.0 should just be if failsafe then since if failsafe is true then secure has to be false so no point in checking what it is. Did I misread that? |
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| 03:58.10 | Fisker | H e y Stanzilla |
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| 04:08.16 | Repo | 77d5f56: Remove extraneous parameters |
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| 08:55.59 | quiescens | moo? |
| 09:03.12 | Timmeh | mew! |
| 09:22.26 | quiescens | pats timmeh |
| 09:24.40 | Timmeh | \o/ |
| 10:01.06 | znf | oh right |
| 10:01.09 | znf | I got alpha invite to AMR |
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| 10:16.07 | Workfoz | w00t |
| 10:16.09 | Workfoz | proper internet |
| 10:16.10 | Workfoz | finally |
| 10:16.31 | znf | did you change country? :P |
| 10:17.05 | Workfoz | just ISPs ;-) |
| 10:17.24 | Workfoz | (after they finally built out vdsl to nearly 100% coverage) |
| 10:17.47 | Workfoz | and my old ISP seems to still be haggling with the ISP who owns the lines, so I switched to another who was already done with that |
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| 10:30.09 | Workfoz | I probably have to do some network parameter tweaking |
| 10:46.40 | Timmeh | yay! Workfoz fixed the internet! |
| 10:46.43 | Timmeh | \o/ |
| 10:51.43 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 10:51.50 | quiescens | gives workfoz a cookie |
| 11:00.49 | Workfoz | FishEye is driving me mad |
| 11:01.00 | Workfoz | how can this product be so much worse than JIRA & Confluence |
| 11:11.10 | quiescens | skill |
| 11:11.19 | Workfoz | lack thereof? |
| 11:12.45 | nevcairiel | you should try to use crucible if you want worse |
| 11:13.01 | Workfoz | I actually am |
| 11:13.20 | nevcairiel | we tried to use it for code review, but the thing is just so bad |
| 11:13.21 | Workfoz | i.e. I'm trying to install Crucible, but Crucible includes Fisheye |
| 11:13.33 | Workfoz | that's basically the path I'm on, too |
| 11:14.02 | Workfoz | how is it bad? (I haven't even gotten it working, yet, so I have no idea :D) |
| 11:14.04 | nevcairiel | granted we tried to plug it into a slightly oversized svn repository, maybe it works for smaller things, but on our repo it just constantly bailed out on us |
| 11:14.16 | nevcairiel | and when it worked, it was a pain to use |
| 11:14.18 | Workfoz | (also, I don't code, I just admin... they devs wanted to try it out, see if it can help them any) |
| 11:14.36 | nevcairiel | it has rather fixed workflows, and anything else is not supported |
| 11:14.44 | nevcairiel | and if your code flows dont match those workflows |
| 11:14.45 | nevcairiel | screwed! |
| 11:15.23 | nevcairiel | in any case, it apparently needs a whole shitload of resources to even run properly |
| 11:15.41 | nevcairiel | if you thought Jira needed much performance to run properly, you haven't seen nothing yet! |
| 11:22.40 | Workfoz | :o |
| 11:22.55 | Workfoz | well, we're not a huge company, so, I have hopes that it could work out |
| 11:23.03 | quiescens | you can do it~ |
| 11:23.06 | quiescens | we have faith in you |
| 11:23.10 | Workfoz | our JIRA only has some trouble with hitting the heap memory limit |
| 11:23.24 | Workfoz | which kind of nukes its internal scheduling for no sane reason |
| 11:23.30 | Workfoz | so for example mail delivery stops working |
| 11:23.31 | nevcairiel | get a 64-bit vm, give it loads and loads of heap? :d |
| 11:23.41 | Workfoz | noty |
| 11:23.53 | Workfoz | I would rather it not shit itself and be unable to recover |
| 11:23.55 | Workfoz | i.e. JIRA works fine |
| 11:24.07 | nevcairiel | how much heap do you give it? |
| 11:24.09 | Workfoz | just the mail queue stops working |
| 11:24.18 | Workfoz | 3 GiB, I think? |
| 11:24.37 | nevcairiel | that should be fine for medium usage, i guess |
| 11:24.59 | Workfoz | hm. |
| 11:25.02 | Workfoz | shouldn't that be in setenv.sh |
| 11:25.06 | Workfoz | now I'm confused |
| 11:25.23 | Workfoz | that one clearly says JVM_MINIMUM_MEMORY="512m" JVM_MAXIMUM_MEMORY="1024m" |
| 11:25.27 | Workfoz | which can't be right |
| 11:25.51 | quiescens | a wizard did it o.o |
| 11:26.08 | Workfoz | puts on his robe and wizard hat |
| 11:26.14 | Fisker- | Hot |
| 11:26.16 | nevcairiel | further down is JAVA_OPTS which sets the actual params for the JVM, but its unlikely that you would fudge in there and not in the variables up top |
| 11:27.05 | Workfoz | hmm, nope, the settings page actually says "Total Memory 910 MB" |
| 11:27.12 | Workfoz | so I guess I somehow reset that |
| 11:27.28 | Workfoz | (it also says "39% free") |
| 11:27.51 | Workfoz | ahhh |
| 11:27.56 | Workfoz | no, I misremembered |
| 11:28.06 | nevcairiel | if java gets too close to 100% usage, it'll run extremely slow anyway as it constantly needs to GC |
| 11:28.08 | Workfoz | it was logstash where I increased the memory a couple of times already |
| 11:28.37 | Workfoz | or rather, ElasticSearch |
| 11:28.43 | Fisker- | Why would the heap impact it to begin with, isn't that shitty design? |
| 11:28.55 | Workfoz | it's java |
| 11:29.00 | Fisker- | What if the server crashed "lol sorry I forgot" |
| 11:29.00 | Workfoz | case closed? |
| 11:29.01 | quiescens | yay java |
| 11:29.02 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 11:29.13 | Fisker- | This isn't Java's fault though |
| 11:29.18 | Workfoz | I have no idea :D |
| 11:29.26 | nevcairiel | well if it actually got a OOM exception, who knows what happens! |
| 11:29.34 | nevcairiel | most code doesn't gracefully handle those |
| 11:29.43 | Workfoz | I know I've looked up "heap" and "stack" several times over the years, but ask me now, and I couldn't say what the hell those terms actually mean |
| 11:29.55 | nevcairiel | i could |
| 11:30.25 | Fisker- | Well obviously it can't cover 100% but losing an entire queue seems like dumb design |
| 11:30.35 | nevcairiel | heap is just your general purpose memory, shared by everything |
| 11:30.51 | Fisker- | Steak is local |
| 11:30.51 | znf | From what you guys keep saying for a while now, it seems jira is a piece of shit |
| 11:30.52 | znf | :> |
| 11:30.57 | nevcairiel | in C terms, if you do malloc(), you get memory from the heap |
| 11:30.57 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: it basically just says OutOfMemoryException, that's all... seems to keep on working fine, except... mail queue :D but then, the manual says "behaviour after OOM is undefined", so, yeah. restarting it *is* the obvious choice. I don't know why it's hitting the limit, though. Probably a leak somewhere (might be aplugin) |
| 11:31.32 | quiescens | heap and stack are really more of a C or lowish level thingy o.o |
| 11:31.35 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: i'd like a local steak |
| 11:31.45 | Fisker- | Mmm |
| 11:31.48 | Fisker- | Autocorrect |
| 11:31.49 | quiescens | you don't usually have to think about it too much on higher level languages |
| 11:31.50 | Workfoz | znf: we're alternating between general (not even necessarily java related) and specific (jira, fisheye/crucible) topics quite fluidly here :D |
| 11:32.18 | nevcairiel | stack is usually not something that comes up often in java, its usually all heap, and if you're unlucky also permgen |
| 11:32.22 | Workfoz | and yeah, ElasticSearch is at 4G and LogStash at 2G, those were the ones with memory problems so far |
| 11:32.24 | znf | well, java is a piece of shit by default! |
| 11:33.24 | Fisker- | 30 minutes until our analytic goes messing with xen :D |
| 11:33.38 | Workfoz | well, I could just increase JIRA's memory limit and it will catch on the next time I (have to) restart it |
| 11:34.17 | nevcairiel | search things are just such a pain |
| 11:34.28 | Workfoz | http://i.imgur.com/P0uosZA.png this looks quite OK, though |
| 11:34.46 | Workfoz | i.e. JIRA doesn't seem to be in any memory trouble in regular use |
| 11:35.15 | nevcairiel | that seems fine, but i would assume your company is virtually deserted of developers on this friday which many take a vacation day for? |
| 11:35.25 | Workfoz | 'tis |
| 11:35.35 | Workfoz | but that screen doesn't really look different on other days. :p |
| 11:35.40 | nevcairiel | well then! |
| 11:35.50 | Workfoz | it's just not heavily used, that's all |
| 11:35.57 | Workfoz | anyway, I've got other troubles than JIRA at the moment |
| 11:36.16 | Workfoz | svn: E170001: Authorization failed |
| 11:36.28 | quiescens | you borked it o.o |
| 11:36.35 | Workfoz | ¯\O_o/¯ |
| 11:37.12 | Workfoz | the error message is pretty clear, but I can't see why it would pop up |
| 11:37.27 | nevcairiel | because you typoed the login! |
| 11:37.40 | quiescens | obviously |
| 11:37.48 | Workfoz | nah |
| 11:37.53 | Workfoz | authorization, not authentication |
| 11:38.11 | Workfoz | i.e. I'm already "in", subversion is just refusing me to do what I want to do |
| 11:38.35 | znf | slap it! |
| 11:38.44 | Workfoz | I would, were it a daemon |
| 11:39.04 | Fisker- | Btw fuck xen |
| 11:39.16 | Workfoz | I have a hunch, but I'll have lunch first :P |
| 11:39.18 | nevcairiel | we all knew that xen sucks |
| 11:39.24 | bluspacecow | http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/1262-denmark-in-minecraft-all-of-it/ |
| 11:39.30 | bluspacecow | Is your house on there Fisker ? |
| 11:39.45 | Workfoz | (it's probably not using the username in "svn+ssh://user@host" as the svn username) |
| 11:39.47 | quiescens | do they have the inside of houses too? |
| 11:40.41 | bluspacecow | i dunno |
| 11:40.45 | bluspacecow | i needs the sleep |
| 11:40.54 | bluspacecow | *drags quiescens off to bed with him* |
| 11:42.00 | quiescens | o.o |
| 11:50.28 | Fisker- | yeah nevcairiel |
| 11:50.30 | Fisker- | but this is annoying |
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| 11:51.44 | Workfoz | Why would you xen, Fisker- |
| 11:54.15 | nevcairiel | masochism? |
| 11:56.16 | Workfoz | That's one explanation |
| 11:56.42 | Workfoz | Probably because of support availability |
| 11:57.10 | Workfoz | And certifications and shit |
| 11:57.31 | nevcairiel | first time i've actually used one of the new explorer features in Windows 8 .. combining multiple copy dialogs into one, and its really quite nice :d |
| 11:57.42 | Fisker- | It's free^Wcheaper^Wfree^Wcheaper because we also pay for support even though we have hyper-v for free |
| 11:57.53 | Fisker- | so more expensive I guess |
| 11:58.00 | Fisker- | Oh it's also open source |
| 11:58.20 | Fisker- | (except it wasn't) |
| 11:58.23 | Fisker- | except it now is again |
| 11:58.32 | Fisker- | But that it was open source was a huge deciding factor in whether or not we wanted it not that it was cheaper of course |
| 11:58.39 | Fisker- | I read the source code daily |
| 11:58.40 | nevcairiel | i just wish my harddrives were faster, i'm doing being patient already :( http://i.imgur.com/liRC8Gw.png |
| 11:59.15 | Workfoz | I bet Hyper-V blows Xen out of the water |
| 11:59.29 | nevcairiel | s/doing/done/ |
| 11:59.42 | Fisker- | It probably does Workfoz |
| 11:59.50 | Fisker- | Paravirtualization is dumb |
| 12:00.05 | quiescens | you haev too many drives nev |
| 12:00.17 | Fisker- | There might be a good reason for it but I'll just conclude it's dumb |
| 12:01.27 | nevcairiel | it also takes 20% CPU to copy that data around, which seems like quite a lot, doesnt it |
| 12:02.20 | znf | you're copying data at 300MB/sec, I'd say it doesn't :> |
| 12:02.54 | nevcairiel | i could probably copy some more, but i only want to replace those 3 |
| 12:04.16 | Fisker- | wait |
| 12:04.21 | Fisker- | so hyper-v is completely free now as well? |
| 12:04.22 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 12:04.27 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 12:04.34 | nevcairiel | they even have a free Hyper-V server OS |
| 12:04.47 | Fisker- | Yeah that is what's free |
| 12:04.59 | Fisker- | I didn't know that was the case commercially as well |
| 12:05.06 | nevcairiel | They had to do something with ESXi also being free |
| 12:05.38 | Fisker- | But that's like pretty limited isn't it? |
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| 12:06.58 | nevcairiel | ESXi itself is entirely free, but in an enterprise environment you'll probably want to buy the vSphere stuff on top |
| 12:07.12 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 12:07.21 | Fisker- | Hyper-V management tools are free too |
| 12:07.26 | Fisker- | well |
| 12:07.30 | Fisker- | You need a windows license |
| 12:07.38 | Fisker- | So basically completely free O_o |
| 12:07.52 | nevcairiel | Microsoft probably assumes that you're going to run windows servers inside those VMs |
| 12:08.11 | miica | yeah because Microsoft is best |
| 12:08.19 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 12:08.53 | Fisker- | I still think it's funny that Microsoft does Linux VM's a fuckton better than Xen does |
| 12:08.54 | Fisker- | :P |
| 12:09.23 | nevcairiel | my hyper-v always complains that i'm running something unsupported because the linux kernel reports too old versions of the hyper-v client tools |
| 12:09.34 | Fisker- | Well yeah |
| 12:09.45 | Fisker- | That's not a big deal |
| 12:09.51 | Fisker- | fuck if it's supported |
| 12:09.54 | Fisker- | it's free |
| 12:10.31 | Fisker- | lol |
| 12:10.35 | Fisker- | I was looking at a 4K monitor |
| 12:10.41 | Fisker- | price fell 100€ between yesterday and today |
| 12:10.45 | Fisker- | not sure if error or not |
| 12:11.05 | nevcairiel | i'm still waiting, situation is just too bad right now |
| 12:11.12 | Fisker- | looks like an error based on the real MSRP of $799 which is like 799€ |
| 12:11.13 | Fisker- | same |
| 12:11.16 | Fisker- | I don't need a new monitor |
| 12:11.18 | Fisker- | need other stuff |
| 12:11.26 | Fisker- | Like surviving when I stop here in a few months |
| 12:11.34 | Fisker- | But dreaming is fun |
| 12:11.41 | nevcairiel | most of the cheap screens use horrible DP multi-stream, nothx |
| 12:11.57 | Fisker- | oh u |
| 12:12.54 | Megalon | dreamy Fisker- |
| 12:13.10 | Fisker- | dreamy? |
| 12:13.50 | Megalon | <Fisker-> But dreaming is fun |
| 12:13.53 | Megalon | no fun today? :< |
| 12:14.55 | Fisker | ah |
| 12:14.57 | Fisker | nope |
| 12:15.00 | Fisker | Well |
| 12:15.02 | Fisker | we had kind of fun |
| 12:15.12 | Fisker | mostly "lol that's sad" fun |
| 12:15.13 | Fisker | but still |
| 12:15.42 | Fisker | Previous coworker was with us at a meeting today with a company that makes our software deployment solution |
| 12:16.05 | Fisker | New coworker asked some kind of dumb questions |
| 12:16.19 | Fisker | And after the meeting me and the other guy and the company was left |
| 12:16.24 | Fisker | and they were like "Who's that idiot?" |
| 12:16.30 | Fisker | "...My replacement" |
| 12:16.31 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 12:30.20 | quiescens | so, i'm trying to change an email for a service to which i still have my username and password of course |
| 12:30.38 | quiescens | and it tells me it has sent me an email to allow me to change my email |
| 12:30.40 | quiescens | o.o |
| 12:31.27 | Fisker | owned quiescens |
| 12:35.41 | Fisker | poop |
| 12:35.48 | quiescens | ooh I could ask support |
| 12:35.59 | quiescens | who wants to bet that they will email the response to the old email address |
| 12:36.01 | quiescens | lol |
| 12:39.37 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: what's DRU |
| 12:39.46 | quiescens | what kind of a stupid "change email" thing, requires you to receive an email at your old email address |
| 12:39.52 | quiescens | blames workfoz |
| 12:40.23 | Workfoz | quiescens: every sane one? it's a good precaution against hijacking |
| 12:41.11 | quiescens | they usually require you to have the rest of your stuff, rather than your email |
| 12:41.24 | quiescens | username, password, secret question or whatever |
| 12:41.32 | Workfoz | well, they probably do that in case you don't have access to your old email |
| 12:41.45 | Workfoz | in case you do, it's easier to just check that you still do |
| 12:42.19 | Workfoz | only really helps if you don't use the same password for service + email |
| 12:42.24 | quiescens | in all likelyhood, i will just keep using the account with the wrong email address |
| 12:42.34 | quiescens | because changing the email address looks like it will be too much effort |
| 12:42.37 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 12:42.56 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: esxi quite a low limit for vram for this day and age |
| 12:43.00 | Workfoz | 32 GiB I think |
| 12:43.26 | Workfoz | (and yes, no vsphere-ing) |
| 12:43.39 | Workfoz | can I upload FLAC into Google music? |
| 12:45.03 | quiescens | maybe? |
| 12:45.05 | quiescens | o.o |
| 12:46.03 | Megalon | quiescens, always so detailed in his advice |
| 12:46.04 | Workfoz | it seems to try, at least |
| 12:46.20 | quiescens | ): |
| 12:46.46 | Workfoz | "added 0 of 7" -- either it's recoding it to mp3 on the fly, or it's just slow |
| 12:52.42 | quiescens | zomg, they fixed my email address |
| 12:52.46 | quiescens | \o/ |
| 12:54.02 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: DRU = Data Risk Unit ... how FlexRAID calls data discs, in contrast to PPU, parity protection units |
| 13:00.33 | Workfoz | I'm getting WoW flex raid results >_> |
| 13:00.49 | nevcairiel | you taught google well |
| 13:00.51 | Workfoz | why does it not have a wikipedia page :D |
| 13:01.15 | nevcairiel | its flexraid.com anyway |
| 13:01.34 | Workfoz | yeah, that's result #1 |
| 13:01.44 | Workfoz | but third-party descriptions are often more useful ^^ |
| 13:02.46 | nevcairiel | I mostly use it because it allows combining discs of different size into a parity protected pool, as long as the parity discs are at least as large as the biggest data disc |
| 13:03.16 | Workfoz | (whyyyy do you insist on calling disks discs :D) |
| 13:03.24 | Workfoz | not that I understand why both terms are even in use |
| 13:03.26 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i always do that, feels more english! |
| 13:03.43 | Workfoz | I always see disk in hard disks, but disc in optical ones |
| 13:03.49 | Workfoz | which seems... arbitrary |
| 13:04.10 | nevcairiel | wikipedia says, Generally for disk storage as an electronic medium, disk refers to magnetic storage while disc refers to optical storage. |
| 13:04.15 | nevcairiel | so.. yes |
| 13:04.16 | Workfoz | yeah |
| 13:04.22 | Workfoz | I was just going to quote that :D |
| 13:04.42 | Workfoz | so it's IBMs/Sonys/Panasonic's fault |
| 13:04.43 | Workfoz | great |
| 13:06.12 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: which one do you use? RAID-F or tRAID? |
| 13:06.18 | nevcairiel | RAID-F |
| 13:06.44 | nevcairiel | its mostly for media storage, so snapshot raid without the overhead of the realtime processing works better for me |
| 13:08.10 | nevcairiel | as a bonus it doesn't stripe data, which means i can just turn it off, take a disk and copy its data to a new one, and then turn it on again ... which is what i'm doing right now! |
| 13:08.23 | nevcairiel | (of course thats also a downside, no performance benefit) |
| 13:08.51 | Workfoz | I feel as though Windows' RAID 1 doesn't get me any performance benefit anyway |
| 13:09.02 | Workfoz | I haven't properly tested it, though |
| 13:09.21 | nevcairiel | raid 1 is mostly for redudancy, and while it could in theory speed up reading, its questionable if it does |
| 13:09.28 | nevcairiel | redundancy* |
| 13:09.36 | Workfoz | of course it does, for proper controllers/implementations |
| 13:09.55 | quiescens | indeed |
| 13:10.05 | nevcairiel | is windows raid proper then? :p |
| 13:10.08 | Workfoz | I should check :D I'm probably badmouthing Windows for no reason |
| 13:10.12 | Workfoz | I said I didn't test |
| 13:10.15 | quiescens | who knows |
| 13:10.16 | quiescens | o.o |
| 13:10.26 | nevcairiel | i never used windows raid |
| 13:10.30 | quiescens | neither |
| 13:10.37 | Workfoz | the only way I could test would be reading to /dev/null or copying to my SSD |
| 13:10.47 | nevcairiel | there are benchmark tools |
| 13:10.47 | Workfoz | i.e. something like hdtune |
| 13:10.50 | quiescens | i've used linux' software raid and stuffs |
| 13:11.07 | nevcairiel | i've used intels fake raid for a while, then linux mdraid, and now flexraid |
| 13:11.10 | Workfoz | Windows RAID is fine, it doesn't do RAID 5 on non-server editions, though |
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| 13:11.43 | Workfoz | not that RAID 5 is a good idea with multi-terabyte drives and no hot-spare functionality |
| 13:11.55 | Workfoz | (not even WITH hot-spare functionality is it a good idea, really) |
| 13:12.19 | nevcairiel | its always a balance between cost and protection |
| 13:12.20 | quiescens | speeds have totally not kept up with capacity |
| 13:12.40 | quiescens | takes ages to bring a new drive up to parity these days |
| 13:12.47 | Workfoz | ^ |
| 13:13.42 | Workfoz | rebuild is the worst load scenario for a parity-raid, and in a RAID 5, when the one parity disk is already gone, that's the most vulnerable situation |
| 13:13.54 | Workfoz | so most vulnerable + worst load scenario = good luck |
| 13:14.14 | Workfoz | of course most of the time you're ok, but you're setting yourself up for a world of pain :| |
| 13:14.31 | Workfoz | so even if it was available, I would not be using it :D |
| 13:14.40 | Workfoz | instead I'm wasting 50% of my disk capacity for peace of mind |
| 13:14.51 | Workfoz | something like FlexRAID sounds like "not the worst idea" |
| 13:14.58 | nevcairiel | I run 14 data drives with 2 protection drives right now, which is slightly better than 1 protection drive, but far from raid1 security anyway ... flexraid supports arbitrary number of protection drives though, if i wanted more |
| 13:15.07 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I only see it mentioned in conjunction with WHS -- does it work on desktop Win 8(.1)? |
| 13:15.13 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 13:15.16 | nevcairiel | even runs on linux |
| 13:15.19 | Workfoz | oh? |
| 13:15.20 | Workfoz | neat |
| 13:15.24 | Workfoz | (well, no use for me, but still) |
| 13:15.35 | Workfoz | I'll check it out properly, I guess |
| 13:15.48 | Workfoz | saves me from replacing my 2 TB drives when I run out of space next time |
| 13:16.11 | nevcairiel | yeah thats one of the biggest factors for me, partial upgrades |
| 13:16.14 | Workfoz | can't wait for 6 TB drives to become affordable |
| 13:16.28 | nevcairiel | i just replaced my last EARS with 4TB drives |
| 13:16.31 | Workfoz | gotta help a new guy set up access to our dev server |
| 13:16.31 | nevcairiel | or well, in the process of |
| 13:16.35 | quiescens | zfs and btrfs are kind of fun now |
| 13:16.45 | Workfoz | I'm on 4x 2TB + 4x 3TB |
| 13:17.04 | Workfoz | btrfs has too many "warning, experimental, might catch on fire" labels for my taste |
| 13:17.19 | Workfoz | and zfs is awesome because it actually detects data corruption, which no other FS or raid setup does |
| 13:17.26 | Workfoz | but... I'd have to build a NAS |
| 13:17.33 | Workfoz | OR |
| 13:17.39 | Workfoz | I could set up a hyper-v VM and present my local drives to it |
| 13:17.41 | Workfoz | :D |
| 13:17.49 | Workfoz | totally a good idea. |
| 13:17.55 | quiescens | you are getting rather convoluted |
| 13:18.02 | Workfoz | YES |
| 13:18.08 | Workfoz | convoluted rocks |
| 13:18.10 | nevcairiel | flexraid can do that, but its not in the background really, you have to schedule a validate pass which computes checksums and compares to the stored data |
| 13:18.14 | Workfoz | especially when you want data safety! |
| 13:18.22 | Workfoz | brb. :P |
| 13:18.38 | nevcairiel | i usually run a validate once a month, its too disruptive to do it more often |
| 13:23.07 | Fisker | Maybe I should get a node 804 and a micro atx mobo with 11+ sata ports and put freenas on it |
| 13:24.16 | nevcairiel | get an ASRock C2750D4I, it has 12 sata ports and is only mini-ITX! |
| 13:25.24 | nevcairiel | otherwise they dont really make micro atx with 11+ sata |
| 13:25.38 | nevcairiel | even on full sized boards, 10 is already a lot |
| 13:26.17 | Fisker | That one is like 400$ :P |
| 13:26.27 | nevcairiel | that i knew |
| 13:26.45 | nevcairiel | its also pretty weak, its a pure storage thing |
| 13:27.47 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 13:28.09 | Fisker | I kind of want a nas but it's going to be 8 disks minimum |
| 13:28.27 | Fisker | And then I might as well get a case that does 11 disks |
| 13:28.27 | wink | loves is hp-n54l |
| 13:28.34 | nevcairiel | i just rebuild mine with space for 24 discs |
| 13:28.39 | wink | why? o_O |
| 13:28.45 | Fisker | Why not? |
| 13:28.49 | nevcairiel | exactly |
| 13:29.06 | wink | why only 24 when the answer is why not |
| 13:29.07 | Fisker | Need storage for all the government documents and mails I'll snatch |
| 13:29.38 | nevcairiel | its hard to find cases that fit more, so if i need to expand externally, can always do that! |
| 13:30.08 | wink | hehe |
| 13:30.21 | wink | still wondering what all the space is for |
| 13:30.29 | Fisker | Porn |
| 13:30.38 | Fisker | Mostly porn |
| 13:30.40 | wink | you can only watch so much porn per day |
| 13:30.49 | wink | even if you follow 2 at the same time |
| 13:30.52 | Fisker | My body is ready |
| 13:30.56 | nevcairiel | many days in a year |
| 13:30.57 | wink | you need sleep |
| 13:30.58 | Fisker | So nevcairiel |
| 13:31.27 | Fisker | Should I convert my server 2012 to freenas? |
| 13:31.51 | wink | NTFS is webscale? |
| 13:32.36 | nevcairiel | i know nothing about freenas, i run a windows server because it also runs various other things for me |
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| 14:25.01 | Stanzilla | like what |
| 14:31.35 | Megalon | it runs over people who ask annoying questions |
| 15:02.02 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: does that mean that all changes within the month are at risk, until the job runs? |
| 15:02.23 | Workfoz | wheee, time to leave |
| 15:02.30 | Workfoz | I keep forgetting that Fridays end at 17:00 now |
| 15:03.36 | quiescens | o.o |
| 15:03.39 | quiescens | gives workfoz a cookie |
| 15:04.28 | Megalon | clicks the cookie to pieces |
| 15:06.37 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: nah, i update the parity every night, once a month it just checks for data rot |
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| 16:36.10 | Fisker | poor me nevcairiel |
| 16:36.15 | Fisker | freenas kernel panics on me |
| 16:42.13 | quiescens | gasp |
| 16:48.56 | Fisker | It begins nevcairiel |
| 16:48.57 | Fisker | http://skinflint.co.uk/?fs=z97&in= |
| 16:48.59 | Fisker | it begins |
| 16:49.35 | pompy | Fisker: wtb may 11 |
| 16:49.42 | nebula169 | lol wasn't the z97 stuff suppose to be on the 11th? |
| 16:49.44 | Megalon | how do you buy a date |
| 16:49.48 | pompy | lol |
| 16:50.03 | pompy | nebula169: asus broke the nda! |
| 16:50.10 | nebula169 | although i do remember something about asus saying fuck the nda |
| 16:50.12 | nebula169 | lol |
| 16:50.28 | Megalon | i'd buy april 25 |
| 16:50.35 | nebula169 | so did the do a press release today? |
| 16:50.38 | nebula169 | they* |
| 16:50.39 | Fisker | There's also msi, gigabyte, etc. |
| 16:50.44 | pompy | yup |
| 16:50.52 | pompy | to fisker ;) |
| 16:50.54 | Fisker | and it's the retailers breaking nda's if anything |
| 16:51.01 | nebula169 | yea, asus forcing everyone else to follow suit |
| 16:51.09 | pompy | yeah |
| 16:52.06 | pompy | i just want to start building my new computer damnit, this stuff needs to become official and go on sale quicker! |
| 16:54.29 | pompy | oh here we go http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128710 |
| 16:57.49 | Fisker | https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z97MPLUS/ btw |
| 16:57.56 | Fisker | So you can start guessing urls now >D |
| 16:57.58 | Fisker | :D |
| 16:59.00 | Fisker | I think I might need that |
| 16:59.06 | Fisker | Intel® Z97 chipset : |
| 16:59.06 | Fisker | 1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M Key, type 2260/2280 storage devices support (both SATA & PCIE mode)*1 |
| 16:59.06 | Fisker | 6 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), gray |
| 16:59.09 | Fisker | Since it's not shared |
| 16:59.30 | Fisker | Intel® Socket 1150 for the 5th/New 4th/4th Generation Core™ i7/Core™ i5/Core™ i3/Pentium®/Celeron® Processors |
| 16:59.31 | Fisker | D: |
| 17:00.33 | nebula169 | why D: >.> |
| 17:00.44 | Gnarfoz | neat http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/24jme8/so_this_just_happened/ |
| 17:02.07 | Fisker | Because I need 7 drives nebula169 |
| 17:02.15 | Fisker | To run my current setup |
| 17:02.19 | Fisker | but my new case will support 10 disks |
| 17:02.25 | Fisker | which just isn't happening apparently |
| 17:02.27 | Fisker | :'( |
| 17:03.41 | nebula169 | the -ws has 8 i think |
| 17:04.25 | Gnarfoz | get a controller |
| 17:04.34 | Gnarfoz | fakeraid is the devil anyway |
| 17:05.16 | Gnarfoz | my radishes taste like water >_> |
| 17:05.44 | Fisker | I don't want raid Gnarfoz |
| 17:05.45 | Fisker | fuck raid |
| 17:05.50 | Fisker | I just want JBOD |
| 17:06.07 | Fisker | the -ws one isn't MicroATX or below I think nebula169 |
| 17:06.11 | Gnarfoz | even better reason to don't give a shit about mainboard ports |
| 17:06.22 | Fisker | raid cards are extra costs Gnarfoz pls |
| 17:06.30 | Gnarfoz | they are, of course |
| 17:06.31 | Fisker | or controller cards |
| 17:06.39 | Gnarfoz | but you can get a cheaper mainboard instead with less ports |
| 17:06.43 | nebula169 | http://www.techpowerup.com/img/14-04-28/103b.jpg yea, 8+2 express |
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| 17:06.54 | nebula169 | oh, you're looking specificly for smaller boards, eh |
| 17:07.14 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:08.19 | nebula169 | the asus rog matx has 8 it looks like |
| 17:08.29 | Fisker | wow |
| 17:08.34 | Fisker | going rog just for storage |
| 17:08.35 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 17:08.38 | nebula169 | :p |
| 17:08.42 | Fisker | What is it called again? |
| 17:08.50 | nebula169 | maximus vii gene |
| 17:09.10 | Fisker | http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VII_GENE/ |
| 17:09.13 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 17:09.32 | Fisker | It's going to be expensive as fuck probably |
| 17:09.53 | nebula169 | the hero has 8, too, its should be a bit cheaper |
| 17:09.58 | nebula169 | it* |
| 17:11.06 | nebula169 | oh, its atx, looked ity bity |
| 17:12.45 | Fisker | Then I just need to figure out cpu and memory |
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| 17:33.23 | nevcairiel | Fisker: they went through too many "mini" SATA things too fast, my mSATA card is already unusable on any newer mainboard which only comes with M.2 now.. wonder if that will stick at least :p |
| 17:34.44 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:34.47 | Fisker | but omg |
| 17:34.47 | nebula169 | so m2 is mini mini sata? |
| 17:34.54 | Fisker | looks like I got freenas booting |
| 17:35.05 | Fisker | That's retarded |
| 17:35.18 | Fisker | Don't even know what I did |
| 17:35.24 | Fisker | maybe plugged in an additional usb drive |
| 17:35.54 | nevcairiel | nebula169: technically, i guess. it is smaller again |
| 17:36.03 | nevcairiel | mSATA used the PCI Express MiniCard spec for size |
| 17:37.30 | nevcairiel | which fits nicely into laptops, as they used such cards before |
| 17:38.27 | nevcairiel | anyway, I really like the concept of these things, why place a 2.5" drive in your PC and add cables and whatnot when you can just plug your boot drive in a extremely tiny card directly onto the mainboard |
| 17:38.33 | nebula169 | yea, i was mostly making a joke at the m2 name :p |
| 17:38.41 | Fisker | Yeah nevcairiel |
| 17:38.44 | nevcairiel | the mSATA SSD was already like 1/6th of a 2.5" drive |
| 17:38.52 | nevcairiel | M.2 is probably 1/10th |
| 17:39.24 | nevcairiel | and manufacturers seem to pick those up and produce high quality SSDs for those form factors too |
| 17:41.06 | quiescens | someone should just make 3.5 ones for simplicity |
| 17:41.07 | quiescens | o.o |
| 17:41.38 | Fisker | So I'm guessing I'll have to spend around 400-500€ on a new setup then |
| 17:41.49 | Fisker | give me 500€ nevcairiel |
| 17:42.30 | nevcairiel | i already spend too much on my recent setup changes |
| 17:42.46 | nevcairiel | not buying hardware now until haswell-e |
| 17:43.31 | nebula169 | will it have the same socket? |
| 17:43.42 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:44.16 | nevcairiel | its 2011-3, which isn't compatible with previous 2011 sockets because they are apparently moving the power distribution back to the chipset |
| 17:44.19 | nebula169 | 2011? |
| 17:44.20 | nebula169 | ah |
| 17:44.42 | nevcairiel | apparently there are thermal problems if you manage the power on die |
| 17:45.33 | Fisker | but isn't z97 the same? |
| 17:45.44 | nevcairiel | it wouldnt be able to run older cpus then |
| 17:45.52 | Fisker | but it is |
| 17:46.08 | Gnarfoz | :o |
| 17:46.11 | Fisker | Pretty sure they put the VRM back on the z97 mobos |
| 17:46.12 | Gnarfoz | my new internetz |
| 17:46.14 | Gnarfoz | also has ipv6 |
| 17:46.25 | Gnarfoz | they didn't even advertise (or mention) that anywhere |
| 17:46.33 | Gnarfoz | it's ZE FUTSCHA |
| 17:46.36 | Gnarfoz | wait |
| 17:46.38 | Gnarfoz | FJUUUTSCHA. |
| 17:47.04 | nevcairiel | telekom also doesn't advertise it, yet you get it with IP contracts |
| 17:47.29 | Gnarfoz | (actually we all know ipv6 is 20 years old or so, but hey |
| 17:47.45 | Fisker | black 2 the fuschia |
| 17:48.12 | Gnarfoz | 1&1 still seems very ingrained with Telekom |
| 17:48.31 | Gnarfoz | because the netblock the ipv6 is from is DTAG-DIAL-328 |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | probably just inherited it then |
| 17:49.54 | nevcairiel | Fisker: apparently they build the new mainboard to support both VRM modes, but the new CPUs wont work on older boards then |
| 17:50.21 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:50.31 | nevcairiel | or do the new boards even support old cpus |
| 17:50.33 | nevcairiel | wonders |
| 17:51.15 | Fisker | They do |
| 17:51.18 | Fisker | read the specs |
| 17:52.03 | nevcairiel | guess they do indeed |
| 18:04.00 | Fisker | oh nos nevcairiel |
| 18:04.36 | Fisker | I got ReFS'd |
| 18:05.11 | nevcairiel | that sounds painful |
| 18:05.57 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 18:06.01 | Fisker | Need to kill it |
| 18:06.12 | Fisker | So need a lot of storage so I can wipe |
| 18:07.38 | pompy | http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/01/amazon-same-day-delivery-expansion/ |
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| 18:26.20 | nebula169 | i thought ReFS got canned |
| 18:26.28 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 18:26.30 | nebula169 | or was that WinFS or something |
| 18:26.36 | nevcairiel | WinFS was canned, ReFS is new |
| 18:26.44 | nevcairiel | kinda inherited half of WinFS |
| 18:27.13 | nevcairiel | has some interesting features, too, but not really things I personally care much about on my home systems |
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| 18:35.54 | nebula169 | oh hey, i didn't know windows 8 had storage pools, which apparently uses ReFS |
| 18:36.55 | nebula169 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.58 | nevcairiel | those are not related |
| 18:37.09 | nevcairiel | ReFS is not available on consumer windows |
| 18:37.15 | nevcairiel | although with a bit hackery you can unlock it |
| 18:37.43 | nebula169 | in 8.1 you can use ReFS volumes |
| 18:37.48 | nevcairiel | basically you just cannot create ReFS volumes on Windows 8/8.1, but you can use them once created |
| 18:37.53 | nebula169 | yea |
| 18:38.32 | nevcairiel | and yes, storage spaces is flawed |
| 18:39.09 | nebula169 | reminds me of the disk spanning stuff windows home server did that ended up getting cut |
| 18:39.18 | nebula169 | disk extender |
| 18:39.21 | nebula169 | drive extender? |
| 18:40.18 | nevcairiel | drve extender |
| 18:40.20 | nevcairiel | +i |
| 18:43.14 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 18:43.15 | Fisker | http://www.mobiflip.de/motorola-moto-x1-moto-maker/ |
| 18:43.32 | Fisker | gonna take a long time to transfer all this data back and forth |
| 18:45.51 | nevcairiel | i'm running a data validation over night today after i swapped the 3 drives, thats going to take forever again |
| 18:50.51 | quiescens | \o/ |
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| 19:02.12 | Gnarfoz | any ipv6 gurus around? |
| 19:02.18 | nevcairiel | define guru |
| 19:02.46 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm kind of stumped by the number of options available to me |
| 19:02.56 | Gnarfoz | concering LAN addresses |
| 19:03.28 | nevcairiel | unless you have special setup requirements, IPv6 is really pretty much plug and play with a proper router |
| 19:03.38 | Gnarfoz | well, it does work |
| 19:03.43 | Gnarfoz | I just want to know what these options do |
| 19:04.04 | nevcairiel | which? |
| 19:04.06 | Gnarfoz | like, DHCPv6: disable, enable, and if enabled, IA_PD, or IA_PD and IA_NA |
| 19:04.22 | Gnarfoz | (they're named a bit friendlier, but...) |
| 19:04.49 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could disable dhcpv6 entirely, and it should still work, right? using router advertisements |
| 19:04.52 | nevcairiel | well, ipv6 doesn't need DHCP, as the prefix is advertized automatically and stateless |
| 19:05.45 | Gnarfoz | I think they do this because they can push DNS and prefix settings using DHCP |
| 19:06.01 | Gnarfoz | at least that's kind of how the help page describes it |
| 19:07.14 | Gnarfoz | oh, I should have just tried toggling it to off, it unveils more options |
| 19:07.16 | nevcairiel | you can advertise DNS over router advertisement as well |
| 19:07.26 | Gnarfoz | "Es sind keine anderen DHCPv6-Server im Heimnetz vorhanden. Geräte im Heimnetzwerk sollen ihre Autokonfiguration (SLAAC) benutzen, um die eigene IPv6-Adresse zu ermitteln. |
| 19:07.29 | Gnarfoz | " |
| 19:07.34 | Gnarfoz | is the default option when disabling DHCPv6 |
| 19:07.43 | nevcairiel | where is that option anyway |
| 19:07.48 | Gnarfoz | good question |
| 19:07.50 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:07.54 | Gnarfoz | let me backtrack where the hell I am |
| 19:07.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:08.11 | nevcairiel | oh i found it |
| 19:08.39 | Gnarfoz | Heimnetz (menu) > Netzwerk (submenu) > Netzwerkeinstellungen (tab) > IPv6-Adressen (button) |
| 19:08.52 | nevcairiel | guess i'll leave it as default, which is DHCPv6 enabled but only assign DNS over DHCP |
| 19:09.01 | Gnarfoz | yes, same for me, and I'll just leave it that way |
| 19:09.03 | nevcairiel | that worked fine for me |
| 19:09.16 | Gnarfoz | I guess turning it off and relying on SLAAC would also work, but... I'll look into this another day |
| 19:10.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: what speed do you get here: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/1G |
| 19:10.21 | Gnarfoz | more than ~5.1 MiB/s? |
| 19:11.02 | nevcairiel | i can test from home, where i'm capped at around that speed, or from my hetzner system where i get 70 MB/s |
| 19:11.20 | Gnarfoz | I'm uncertain if I need to "optimize" any TCP settings or something... or maybe I'm miscalculating... shouldn't I be getting up to 6.1 MiB/s? (50000*1024/8/1024/1024) |
| 19:11.25 | nevcairiel | dont have any fast connection outside of the hetzner system :p |
| 19:11.48 | Gnarfoz | nah, I meant from your 50/10 VDSL (that's what you have, right?) |
| 19:11.53 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:12.11 | nevcairiel | i'm not sure what you're calculating there o.o |
| 19:12.22 | nevcairiel | i usually top out at 5.5 or so |
| 19:12.44 | Gnarfoz | 50000 kbit/s *1024 to get bit/s, /8 to get byte/s, /1024/1024 to get MiB/s |
| 19:12.58 | nevcairiel | i get around 5.3 from your link right now |
| 19:13.05 | Gnarfoz | that's what I get, too |
| 19:13.21 | Gnarfoz | so either it's fine or we're both equally un-optimized. ;p I'm leaning toward the former |
| 19:13.22 | nevcairiel | speedtest.net usually places me at 49 mbit or so |
| 19:14.05 | Gnarfoz | oO 1&1 autoconfiguration put some online dropbox thing into the appropriate fields |
| 19:14.16 | Gnarfoz | but it doesn't work because it needs an USB device attached to the box |
| 19:14.23 | Gnarfoz | (probably because of auto-mirroring the contents?) |
| 19:14.25 | nevcairiel | in my experience the fritz.box is setup pretty good by default, not sure what you would tweak on your local system |
| 19:14.50 | Gnarfoz | RWIN, RSS, mostly, I think? |
| 19:15.13 | Gnarfoz | (it's purely a client thing) |
| 19:15.46 | Gnarfoz | higher transfer rates do better with bigger receive windows |
| 19:16.03 | Gnarfoz | but I think receive side scaling (RSS) adjusts that automatically now |
| 19:16.16 | Gnarfoz | I wish I just didn't know about these things |
| 19:16.21 | Gnarfoz | I could live in blissful oblivion |
| 19:16.25 | nevcairiel | well i'm not going to mess with things for 1% more speed |
| 19:16.36 | nevcairiel | if that even does anything these days |
| 19:16.56 | Gnarfoz | srsly avm? |
| 19:17.03 | Gnarfoz | Medienquellen im Internet: [ ] Google Play Music |
| 19:17.04 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 19:17.16 | Gnarfoz | I knew FritzBoxes were good |
| 19:17.28 | Gnarfoz | but I wasn't aware they're this up to date |
| 19:17.59 | Gnarfoz | "Für die Nutzung von Google Play Music muss ein USB-Speicher an der FRITZ!Box zur Verfügung stehen." though. I guess I could plug some random usb flash drive in there... |
| 19:18.20 | Gnarfoz | (wait, I already established a week ago that I don't need this feature, lol) |
| 19:18.31 | nevcairiel | i wonder how it even works |
| 19:18.53 | Gnarfoz | I'll try it, I also want to know |
| 19:18.54 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:18.59 | Gnarfoz | Yoda to the rescue! |
| 19:19.25 | Fisker | I want ipv6 |
| 19:22.18 | Gnarfoz | lol, each time I change a network setting on the box, I gain another pair of IPv6 addresses with "(deprecated)" tagged onto them |
| 19:23.01 | nevcairiel | those temporary addresses gather up fast |
| 19:23.19 | nevcairiel | i was confused at first, until i figured out why windows is doing that |
| 19:23.41 | nevcairiel | (not that its all that helpful if someone knows what its doing) |
| 19:24.19 | Gnarfoz | they're the same addresses |
| 19:24.40 | Gnarfoz | they're the public ipv6 address and one from the privacy extension thing |
| 19:24.52 | Gnarfoz | also, what do you mean? |
| 19:25.38 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, I misread them, they're actually not identical... overlooked an octet (...what are those called in ipv6? they're not 8 bit long...) |
| 19:25.58 | Gnarfoz | Yoda is now plugged into FritzBox. |
| 19:26.02 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/CqBldor.jpg :D |
| 19:26.07 | nevcairiel | i meant the privacy extension thing, you get a new temporary address occasionally and sometimes you manage to collect quite a few |
| 19:26.25 | nevcairiel | but its still all in the same prefix, so if someone knows that, they could at least still track your household |
| 19:26.46 | Gnarfoz | hm. that's why they're tagged with (deprecated) and (preferred) -- but the non-privacy-extension one also has those |
| 19:27.11 | nevcairiel | deprecated are those its no longer using, but still "knows" in case some traffic is still in flight |
| 19:27.24 | Gnarfoz | I'll have to watch them for a while. so far, they seem to have different prefixes. but that might have just been cases of ISP actually assigning me a different prefix. |
| 19:27.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I figured that |
| 19:27.39 | nevcairiel | yeah if you reconnect the fritzbox you get a new one, of course |
| 19:28.07 | Gnarfoz | well, I didn't intentionally, but some actions in the web UI trigger it, or even a reboot, without proper warning |
| 19:28.15 | nevcairiel | also, its called "segment" |
| 19:28.21 | Gnarfoz | that's rather bland |
| 19:28.36 | nevcairiel | dont blame me |
| 19:28.38 | Gnarfoz | for example, changing the LAN v4 address makes it reconnect (because it makes it reboot) |
| 19:28.43 | Gnarfoz | why would you need to reboot for that :| |
| 19:28.47 | Gnarfoz | and so on ;) |
| 19:28.58 | nevcairiel | i dont think i remember any automatic reboots |
| 19:29.00 | nevcairiel | reconnects, sure |
| 19:32.06 | Gnarfoz | hmmm "Der USB-Speicher wird eingebunden" |
| 19:32.09 | Gnarfoz | is all it's saying |
| 19:32.16 | Gnarfoz | perhaps it can't handle exFAT |
| 19:32.30 | nevcairiel | who likes exFAT anyway |
| 19:33.37 | Gnarfoz | everyone? :| |
| 19:33.57 | Gnarfoz | FAT32 is so oldschool |
| 19:34.09 | nevcairiel | why not NTFS |
| 19:35.21 | nevcairiel | unless you have a specific device that talks exFAT and not NTFS, but on the other hand there are a bunch where the reverse is true |
| 19:35.53 | Gnarfoz | not that I use macs, but mac doesn't write ntfs, apparently |
| 19:35.59 | Gnarfoz | also, ntfs has permissions, ugh |
| 19:36.22 | nebula169 | well it can, just need to use fuse |
| 19:36.40 | Gnarfoz | also there's probably some reason Windows won't let you format flash drives as NTFS without setting them to "optimize for performance" (which enables write-caching and means you should never unplug it without "safely removing" it first) |
| 19:37.09 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: and $old_relative_with_mac knows how that works? :P or $idiot_coworker |
| 19:37.19 | Gnarfoz | no thanks, wtb "works out of the box solution" |
| 19:37.23 | Gnarfoz | not that exfat is that |
| 19:37.26 | Gnarfoz | fat32 is :\ |
| 19:37.29 | Gnarfoz | which is a shame |
| 19:37.46 | Gnarfoz | I'll format it as XFS, then Samsung TVs can read it! |
| 19:37.51 | Gnarfoz | ...fuckers. |
| 19:38.16 | Gnarfoz | they format drives you attach to them as XFS... AND put DRM on your recordings (even the time-shift ones) |
| 19:38.37 | Gnarfoz | so not only will you have trouble easily accessing those files on, for example, a PC... you can't even watch them on another TV (Samsung or no) |
| 19:38.57 | Gnarfoz | thank you broadcasters :| |
| 19:39.31 | Gnarfoz | (not that I'm affected, I don't have a TV, but my parents recently arrived in this millenium and now have two modern TVs) |
| 19:39.58 | nevcairiel | my parents have one modern tv, but my father refuses to pay for digital cable, so timeshifting is out anyway |
| 19:40.07 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 19:40.22 | Gnarfoz | why |
| 19:40.39 | Gnarfoz | timeshift just means your device can record and play back at the same time |
| 19:40.46 | Gnarfoz | the input shouldn't matter |
| 19:40.47 | nevcairiel | i doubt those things will actually encode analog tv into digital for timeshifting |
| 19:41.05 | Gnarfoz | if it can record analog tv, it should also do timeshifting |
| 19:41.10 | Gnarfoz | (if it does timeshifting at all) |
| 19:41.19 | nevcairiel | i doubt it can record analog then! |
| 19:41.31 | Gnarfoz | press the red button next time you're there and check it out ;) |
| 19:41.40 | Gnarfoz | still saying "wird eingebunden" |
| 19:41.49 | Gnarfoz | I guess I should RTFM what kind of filesystems it supports |
| 19:41.50 | nevcairiel | did you reformat? |
| 19:42.17 | Gnarfoz | where? |
| 19:42.24 | nevcairiel | the stick, in another pc |
| 19:42.32 | Gnarfoz | yes, yesterday |
| 19:42.39 | Gnarfoz | it's empty & exFAT |
| 19:43.02 | nevcairiel | Der USB-Speicher muss mit dem Dateisystem NTFS, FAT/FAT32 oder EXT2 formatiert sein. |
| 19:43.08 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 19:43.18 | Gnarfoz | (where's that? I couldn't find it in the manual at first glance) |
| 19:43.24 | nevcairiel | http://service.avm.de/support/de/SKB/FRITZ-Box-7390/26:USB-Speicher-an-FRITZ-Box-einrichten |
| 19:43.28 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 19:43.31 | Gnarfoz | so obviously, ext4! |
| 19:43.35 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 19:43.41 | Gnarfoz | should work, right? :> |
| 19:44.14 | Stanzilla | any of you ever implemented a stream online/offline status thingy with the twitch api in JS? |
| 19:44.24 | Gnarfoz | nah I don't have drivers to do that... I could finally make use of my Pro version (i.e. hyper-v) and do it in there, but... in this case, FAT32 should be fine |
| 19:44.54 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: meaning what? you want an indicator somewhere else (i.e. your homepage, something like that) indicating if stream X is online/offline? |
| 19:44.58 | nevcairiel | why format it in some linux-y FS that windows can't even read without extra software :p |
| 19:45.03 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:45.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: because it's attached to the damn fritzbox :D and I'd reformat it again if I wanted to use it for something else ^^ |
| 19:45.27 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:45.28 | nebula169 | Gnarfoz is a rebel without a cause |
| 19:45.38 | Gnarfoz | close |
| 19:45.48 | Gnarfoz | I have a million causes and can't decide on any one of them |
| 19:46.21 | Gnarfoz | I wonder why they don't offer to nuke the drive |
| 19:46.32 | Gnarfoz | they offer almost everything else that I can think of |
| 19:46.49 | nevcairiel | probably afraid of complaints of lost data |
| 19:47.09 | Gnarfoz | that's the most likely reason, yeah ^^ |
| 19:47.32 | nevcairiel | anyone wanna buy some mildly used wd20ears? |
| 19:47.49 | Gnarfoz | make that whatever number you have +3 more |
| 19:47.56 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 19:48.07 | Gnarfoz | (caveat: mine actually have errors) |
| 19:48.21 | nevcairiel | only 250k load cycles used up on mine! |
| 19:48.44 | nevcairiel | they still worked fine until this morning when i replaced them after 3 years of service |
| 19:48.47 | Gnarfoz | of 300k they're rated for |
| 19:48.48 | Gnarfoz | : |
| 19:50.25 | nevcairiel | dont think its worth trying to ebay these things |
| 19:50.30 | quiescens | what are you cycling and why? |
| 19:50.57 | nevcairiel | i'll probably keep them around in some drawer in case I need a drive quick for something |
| 19:52.24 | Gnarfoz | I wanted to send mine in for warranty |
| 19:52.30 | Gnarfoz | but I procrastinated that way too h ard |
| 19:52.33 | Gnarfoz | so now they're out of warranty |
| 19:52.35 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 19:54.45 | quiescens | silly gnarfoz |
| 20:01.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it wants my email and password ;O |
| 20:01.45 | nevcairiel | for google music? well of course, how else would it get there |
| 20:01.48 | Gnarfoz | *creates app specific password* |
| 20:01.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: dunno, maybe some oAuth token magic |
| 20:02.09 | Gnarfoz | haha, 17 Titel gefunden |
| 20:02.19 | Gnarfoz | I guess it only sees the ones I bought on Google Music or uploaded myself |
| 20:02.27 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 20:02.38 | nevcairiel | all access seems too complicated to handle over this generic interface |
| 20:02.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 20:03.21 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 20:03.29 | Gnarfoz | the media server is pre-loaded with some Fritz! song |
| 20:03.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:03.53 | Gnarfoz | thank god, it's just a jingle, not a complete song |
| 20:04.34 | Gnarfoz | but yes, it works |
| 20:05.08 | Gnarfoz | is now playing: Deathmole - College |
| 20:05.13 | Gnarfoz | well, that's underwhelimg |
| 20:05.18 | Gnarfoz | now playing: http://192.168.0.1:49444/AUDIO/DLNA-1-0/dd9093a1-0a5a-3fab-a552-f4aae497fffa.mp3 |
| 20:06.08 | Gnarfoz | well, this would be an easy way to have an actual desktop client for google music |
| 20:06.17 | Gnarfoz | sadly, most of my mp3 shopping was done on Amazon ;) |
| 20:06.28 | nevcairiel | for your own music sure |
| 20:06.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 20:06.58 | Gnarfoz | I added an all access album to "my library" (whatever that means), it doesn't show up |
| 20:07.14 | nevcairiel | yeah it still keeps track of which songs you actually own and stuff |
| 20:07.32 | nevcairiel | in case you stop paying all access, of course |
| 20:07.48 | Gnarfoz | well, yes |
| 20:07.59 | Gnarfoz | I mean, I don't understand what it does for all access stuff |
| 20:08.18 | Gnarfoz | I guess it's just a shortcut |
| 20:08.22 | nevcairiel | all access also requires device identification, you can't stream it to unlimited places at the same time |
| 20:08.27 | nevcairiel | its kinda convoluted |
| 20:08.27 | Gnarfoz | true |
| 20:08.47 | nevcairiel | wish google would open it up with a real API, even if it keeps the access requirements |
| 20:08.50 | Gnarfoz | "Your Music library is accessible from any computer, as well as up to ten devices. |
| 20:08.53 | Gnarfoz | " |
| 20:09.01 | Gnarfoz | should just reverse-engineer the chrome plugin |
| 20:09.11 | nevcairiel | there are such things |
| 20:10.17 | Gnarfoz | we are underestimating AVM |
| 20:10.18 | Gnarfoz | http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-Aktuell-DSL-WLAN-Labor-Version-Neue-Funktionen-fuer-die-Fritz-Box-10048977.html |
| 20:10.21 | Gnarfoz | it's in the next version |
| 20:10.23 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 20:10.37 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:10.51 | nevcairiel | they sure do a lot of things |
| 20:11.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah, certainly can't say they're resting on their laurels |
| 20:11.33 | nevcairiel | are you sure that translates to english properly? |
| 20:11.46 | nevcairiel | hm guess it does |
| 20:11.49 | Gnarfoz | as far as I am aware, yes |
| 20:11.56 | Gnarfoz | ah, no lab firmware for my model |
| 20:12.10 | nevcairiel | they probably would have one for me, but meh |
| 20:12.45 | Gnarfoz | Telefonie: Übernahme der Einstellungen für V.I.P/Klingeltonzuweisung aus dem Google Online-Telefonbuch |
| 20:12.48 | Gnarfoz | saywhat |
| 20:12.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:13.07 | Gnarfoz | cloud in mah phone |
| 20:17.33 | Gnarfoz | haha, when I got home I wanted to "just" go through the settings and adjust everything I already adjusted before I reset the box this morning to enter the "startcode" |
| 20:17.44 | Gnarfoz | IP range, box name, turn mediaserver and NAS off and such |
| 20:17.48 | Gnarfoz | now it's 4 hours later! |
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| 20:35.24 | znf | Can someone explain me this? http://i.imgur.com/bU3GSXS.png |
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| 20:38.29 | Gnarfoz | is your local resolver caching? |
| 20:39.44 | znf | no |
| 20:40.13 | Gnarfoz | it looks ok from my home |
| 20:40.18 | Gnarfoz | no 5.* ip |
| 20:40.43 | Gnarfoz | (or bad, depending on which way you want it to look) |
| 20:42.39 | znf | I want the .5! |
| 20:42.41 | znf | 5. |
| 20:42.53 | znf | this cpanel shit is driving me crazy |
| 20:42.59 | znf | we changed server |
| 20:43.06 | znf | and the new one is with cpanel, too |
| 20:43.45 | znf | but somehow DNS didn't change - the one I have acces to change did, because it was set up for Route53 |
| 20:43.54 | znf | all other domains? still pointing at the old server |
| 20:45.38 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea, never used that |
| 20:46.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm still waiting for the QuizDuell update that removes the stupid "loading screen EVERY FUCKING TIME" thing :D |
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| 20:48.49 | Stanzilla | I'm waiting for nebula169 's mercy |
| 20:49.12 | Stanzilla | and the day I become a even mediocre coder |
| 21:04.24 | Gnarfoz | realistic goals |
| 21:04.25 | Gnarfoz | ftw |
| 21:04.55 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 21:06.57 | znf | wordpress developers are somehow retarded |
| 21:08.09 | znf | They changed the image editor in the latest version (3.9), so you can no longer add padding, borders, aligns to images, unless you edit the html code |
| 21:20.28 | nebula169 | May 2 16:18:55 rawr smartd[14403]: Device: /dev/sde [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 115 to 114 o.O |
| 21:22.50 | Gnarfoz | oh noes! it's freezing! |
| 21:23.05 | Gnarfoz | (I'd wager that sensor is not being read correctly :D) |
| 21:23.40 | nebula169 | or my server cabinet is on fire |
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| 21:24.59 | znf | gives nebula169 a bucket of water |
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| 21:28.00 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: that's too low for fire |
| 21:28.17 | Gnarfoz | well, the cabinet might be, the drive certainly isn't ^^ |
| 21:28.27 | Gnarfoz | but it's getting cooler, not hotter ;p |
| 21:35.35 | znf | http://www.cnet.com/news/serious-security-flaw-in-oauth-and-openid-discovered/ |
| 21:35.36 | znf | great :- |
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| 21:39.57 | nebula169 | this just in: bad websites try to steal your shit! |
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| 21:44.51 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: nooooo, save meeee |
| 21:46.21 | Torhal | nebula169: Gnarfoz once had his nationality stolen in that manner, |
| 21:46.52 | Gnarfoz | why did you have to bring those memories up :( |
| 21:47.16 | Gnarfoz | I had finally come to accept being German |
| 21:51.30 | Repo | dark-souls-death-screen: 03latreese 07master * v0.2-1-g0516c86 DarkSoulsDeathScreen.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed background sometimes remaining barely visible |
| 21:56.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: funnily enough, after 4 years of shit internet, the DSLAM is close enough for the line quality to be so good that FritzBox reports almost *double* what I'm getting as the line capacity... 94 Mbit/s down, 18 Mbit/s up |
| 21:58.53 | nevcairiel | yeah line capacity is also close to 100 for me |
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| 23:11.21 | znf | hmmm |
| 23:11.38 | znf | I decided I will change the font I use in KiTTY! |
| 23:12.40 | wink | too late |
| 23:12.50 | wink | font changing day was on Thursday |
| 23:13.00 | wink | you can't just switch font mid-month |
| 23:14.20 | silentium | "You have changed the font setting. Please restart your computer to apply changes. [Now] [Later]" |
| 23:15.24 | znf | but, but... Consolas has more glyphs! |
| 23:15.24 | znf | :( |
| 23:15.25 | znf | I need! |
| 23:17.03 | Gnarfoz | Consolas <3 |
| 23:17.36 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: interesting... I wonder if YT will suck during prime-time |
| 23:17.44 | znf | but it seems not even Consolas has the glyphs I need :-( |
| 23:17.52 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/MK3IOnK.png |
| 23:17.53 | znf | :( |
| 23:17.53 | Gnarfoz | but... apparently DTAG *does* have direct peering with Google? |
| 23:17.58 | Gnarfoz | at least on v6 |
| 23:18.04 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i dunno, youtube still sucks for me |
| 23:18.29 | Gnarfoz | yt server I'm watching Azeroth Choppers from is like 4 hops away from me oO |
| 23:18.44 | Gnarfoz | or rather, 5, I'm not sure how to read v6 traceroutes |
| 23:18.57 | Gnarfoz | (also, no reverse dns entries, which kind of sucks :P) |
| 23:19.41 | nevcairiel | maybe they recently improved something |
| 23:20.54 | nevcairiel | i'm streaming youtube from 2003:81:4010:1::d:80 right now, tracert shows destination unreachable after 4 hops and stops |
| 23:20.58 | nevcairiel | that looks weiord |
| 23:22.27 | nevcairiel | so it looks very direct |
| 23:22.53 | nevcairiel | but same number of hops in v4 |
| 23:23.51 | nevcairiel | also, if you put a port after an ipv6, it looks weird |
| 23:23.56 | nevcairiel | i should yell at chrome to fix the syntax |
| 23:24.13 | nevcairiel | the proper syntax would be [2003:81:4010:1::d]:80 |
| 23:24.17 | wink | not sure how one can use a terminal or irc without Terminus |
| 23:25.11 | znf | the font? |
| 23:25.32 | znf | that font is really tiring on eyes |
| 23:25.34 | znf | it's too "blocky" |
| 23:26.05 | Gnarfoz | I use Consolas for both IRC and PuTTY |
| 23:26.16 | nevcairiel | i use whatever is default in putty |
| 23:26.24 | Gnarfoz | Courier New?! |
| 23:26.26 | znf | nevcairiel, Courier New |
| 23:26.27 | znf | yeah |
| 23:26.33 | znf | but it lacks so many glyphs :( |
| 23:26.42 | Gnarfoz | switch to Comic Neue |
| 23:26.43 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 23:26.53 | znf | Courier New doesn't even have ▴ and ▾ |
| 23:26.54 | nevcairiel | why would you look at so many weird characters in your terminal |
| 23:27.03 | Gnarfoz | they're not really that weird |
| 23:27.13 | znf | nevcairiel, byobu! :P |
| 23:27.27 | znf | also, I can't, for the love of me, figure out how the f* do I split windows in byobu+tmux |
| 23:27.34 | znf | help says Ctrl-F2 / Shift-F2 |
| 23:27.39 | znf | nothing happens :-/ |
| 23:27.42 | Gnarfoz | also, Courier New shows a lot of "box" characters instead of just using a different font, I don't get why |
| 23:27.54 | znf | Gnarfoz, missing glyphs |
| 23:27.58 | Gnarfoz | that makes no sense |
| 23:28.03 | nevcairiel | thats not a font problem, thats just the app not implementing glyph replacement |
| 23:28.05 | Gnarfoz | if it was missing, why wouldn't another font be used |
| 23:28.09 | wink | hardly any font in putty can do λ :( |
| 23:28.12 | Gnarfoz | the app being putty: it does |
| 23:28.16 | znf | wink, Consolas |
| 23:28.19 | wink | nope |
| 23:28.21 | Gnarfoz | wink: Consolas does, apparently |
| 23:28.31 | Gnarfoz | at least in HexChat :P |
| 23:28.31 | znf | wink, http://i.imgur.com/FotE4Yk.png |
| 23:28.36 | znf | it does for me in Cmder |
| 23:28.37 | wink | didnt work, I just changed my putty |
| 23:28.37 | nevcairiel | i know that my irc client does glyph replacement |
| 23:28.43 | znf | wink, do you have translation on? |
| 23:28.49 | nevcairiel | i can usually see anything people write on irc |
| 23:28.50 | znf | or, is your char translation thignie set to utf-8? |
| 23:29.02 | wink | utf8 |
| 23:29.36 | Gnarfoz | wink: most certainly works: http://i.imgur.com/J7xWzWb.png |
| 23:29.43 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/tmR6yHE.png |
| 23:29.44 | znf | putty |
| 23:29.48 | wink | interesting |
| 23:29.50 | znf | actually, KiTTY |
| 23:30.01 | Gnarfoz | mine is PuTTY, to rule that out as a factor |
| 23:30.21 | wink | $ echo "n do _ :" |
| 23:30.21 | wink | n do _ : |
| 23:30.25 | wink | shows _ for me |
| 23:30.32 | znf | uhm, that glyph even exists in Courier New |
| 23:30.32 | znf | :P |
| 23:30.40 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/pwFRHzm.png |
| 23:31.03 | znf | wink, what does $LANG say? |
| 23:31.16 | wink | en_US.utf8 |
| 23:31.25 | wink | it is weird, it sometimes works |
| 23:31.36 | wink | still haven't found the real culprit |
| 23:31.42 | wink | I use Terminus on linux and it shows it |
| 23:31.47 | Gnarfoz | (easier way to check all of them: just use "locale") |
| 23:32.18 | wink | oopps, I do not |
| 23:32.21 | wink | on this laptop |
| 23:32.45 | wink | I hate encodings and charsets |
| 23:33.26 | Gnarfoz | utf-8 and unicode are all you need \o/ |
| 23:33.57 | znf | I still haven't figured out what the difference is between utf-8 and unicode... |
| 23:34.05 | wink | Gnarfoz: unless windows |
| 23:34.14 | Gnarfoz | why? I'm on windows |
| 23:34.21 | wink | znf: unicode also includes UTF-16 |
| 23:34.21 | Gnarfoz | it's all utf-8 anyway |
| 23:34.21 | wink | and more |
| 23:34.29 | wink | since when would windows be utf8? |
| 23:34.30 | nevcairiel | znf: utf-8 is an encoding to store unicode characters |
| 23:34.31 | wink | 8? |
| 23:34.34 | Gnarfoz | znf: one is an encoding, the other is a character set? |
| 23:34.42 | znf | ah, I see |
| 23:34.46 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure what you mean, wink |
| 23:34.54 | Gnarfoz | "is" |
| 23:35.04 | nevcairiel | he probably means that windows is natively utf16 |
| 23:35.09 | Gnarfoz | "is natively"? |
| 23:35.11 | Gnarfoz | meaning what |
| 23:35.12 | wink | Gnarfoz: windows by default uses something else. of course it can display utf8 chars |
| 23:35.15 | Gnarfoz | uses utf16 where? |
| 23:35.22 | znf | yeah, Consolas doesn't have the glyph that is used by byobu-prompt under ubuntu either :( |
| 23:35.34 | nevcairiel | any unicode aware functions in the windows api use utf16 =p |
| 23:35.45 | znf | ibm86@vps:~/parser⟫ │································· |
| 23:35.47 | wink | http://superuser.com/questions/239810/setting-utf8-as-default-character-encoding-in-windows-7 |
| 23:35.50 | wink | isn't bad |
| 23:35.51 | Gnarfoz | how does that ever affect users? never is probalby the answer? |
| 23:35.52 | znf | do you guys see a block after parser? |
| 23:36.05 | Gnarfoz | znf: fes, 27EB |
| 23:36.14 | wink | znf: I see a newline and then a stylized | with many · |
| 23:36.16 | nevcairiel | well it depends, if you receive utf8 unicode text from something, you need to convert it to utf16 for display |
| 23:36.23 | nevcairiel | if you dont, its handled like ascii text |
| 23:36.25 | Gnarfoz | "you" being a programmer |
| 23:36.28 | znf | Gnarfoz, AH! |
| 23:36.29 | nevcairiel | many apps have failed with that :D |
| 23:36.29 | Gnarfoz | not a user |
| 23:36.36 | znf | so Consolas doesn't have 27EB |
| 23:36.50 | Gnarfoz | my version apparently doesn't |
| 23:36.59 | Gnarfoz | I should look into which one that is these days, I bet win8 has a new one |
| 23:37.26 | znf | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/27eb/fontsupport.htm |
| 23:37.28 | Gnarfoz | wink: that does sound like a totally different scenario than what nev is describing |
| 23:37.36 | znf | nope, I have Win 8.1, no new consolas |
| 23:37.47 | nevcairiel | winks link is just about applications saving stuff as utf-16 |
| 23:37.49 | Gnarfoz | that's a "no global settings for this" thing, vs. "annoying api" (or something) |
| 23:38.03 | wink | Gnarfoz: I am sorry that I am right now unable to explain. but the accepted answer is not wrong at least :P |
| 23:38.11 | Gnarfoz | I have never in 20 years of window usage seen any application save text as utf16 by default |
| 23:38.16 | Gnarfoz | maybe ascii instead of utf8 |
| 23:38.25 | wink | it saves it as codepage8xx or utf7 |
| 23:38.28 | wink | *8 |
| 23:38.31 | nevcairiel | ever export a .reg file with regedit? that ends up utf16 :D |
| 23:39.22 | znf | Who needs utf16 anyway?! :( |
| 23:39.23 | Gnarfoz | (mind: "seen" - regedit has no options for this) |
| 23:39.46 | nevcairiel | its rather uncommon to save files like this, some MS tools do it though |
| 23:40.07 | Gnarfoz | znf: nobody, but it exists none the less |
| 23:40.56 | nevcairiel | utf16 is slightly pointless, as it uses more space for ascii chars (which in our western world at least dominate text), and is still not fixed-width, as some unicode chars use more than 16-bit |
| 23:41.11 | znf | It seems that both utf-8 and utf-16 support the same number of "code points" |
| 23:41.14 | znf | So, why the f*? |
| 23:41.14 | nevcairiel | utf32 is at least always fixed width |
| 23:41.37 | Gnarfoz | znf: because, as ever: gradual development |
| 23:42.27 | nevcairiel | when utf-16 was designed, unicode had way less chars in it yet, so at the time it was fixed width |
| 23:42.33 | nevcairiel | technically, back then it was called UCS-2 |
| 23:43.14 | nevcairiel | and fixed width has a bunch of advantages |
| 23:43.31 | Gnarfoz | znf: be thankful you don't have to use UTF-9 and UTF-18 |
| 23:43.33 | nevcairiel | for MS this dates back to NT 3.51 |
| 23:43.38 | nevcairiel | so its been a while |
| 23:44.53 | nevcairiel | UTF-16 is used because it originally was UCS-2, a fixed width version that includes all unicode chars in the table back in the 90s, but was later converted to UTF-16 to also support all other characters, and we're stuck with it =) |
| 23:45.01 | nevcairiel | ^there, summarized it for oyu |
| 23:45.36 | znf | tl;dr - encodings suck :( |
| 23:45.47 | znf | also, languages! |
| 23:46.05 | Gnarfoz | we're only "stuck" with it when using Windows APIs to display text |
| 23:46.13 | Gnarfoz | you can write and read your files as you like |
| 23:46.22 | nevcairiel | blame the worlds languages for coming up with more than 65k characters |
| 23:46.33 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/ayXmaTg.png <-- I changed the font while I was connected to the terminal, now I have random weird dots |
| 23:46.38 | Gnarfoz | and blame the unicode people for adding a gazillion emoticons :D |
| 23:46.43 | znf | emoji! |
| 23:46.55 | Gnarfoz | you found the secret pac-man mode, znf |
| 23:47.00 | znf | heh |
| 23:47.41 | znf | I wonder why putty/kitty don't do replacement |
| 23:48.14 | Gnarfoz | they do |
| 23:48.16 | nevcairiel | anyway, time for sleep |
| 23:48.24 | Gnarfoz | unless Consolas has kanji in it :o |
| 23:48.31 | znf | Hmm, yeah, you're right |
| 23:48.35 | znf | 0.63 does that |
| 23:48.41 | znf | yet I don't see it on mine :-/ |
| 23:48.41 | Gnarfoz | even 0.5x did that |
| 23:48.53 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea how it works, though |
| 23:48.59 | znf | I don't see it working :) |
| 23:49.05 | Gnarfoz | maybe it works for japanese etc. because different glyphset |
| 23:49.08 | Gnarfoz | or plane |
| 23:49.11 | Gnarfoz | or whatever those are called |
| 23:50.25 | znf | hmmm, ctrl-a % works to split stuff! |
| 23:50.35 | znf | why don't the damn F-keys work? :( |
| 23:50.37 | znf | silly byobu |
| 23:52.37 | *** join/#wowace pentium166 (~pentium16@206.248.184.225) |
| 23:52.38 | znf | well, actually, only horizontal splits are working |
| 23:52.41 | znf | verticals aren't |
